/g/ - girl talk

In the U.S., are no legal guidelines when it comes to putting "cruelty free" on a product. You basically have to take companies at their word when they say they're "cruelty free." Whatever helps you sleep at night though lol

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but imo if you want to be truly cruelty-free you shouldn't be purchasing any cosmetics at all. The beauty industry is a disaster for the environment and thus animals.

>>151341
https://www.crueltyfreeinternational.org/what-we-do/corporate-partnerships/prohibitions-cosmetics-testing-eu-and-elsewhere
EU though!

>>151341
>>151344
The rosey scent of your shits really come through the computer screen. Thanks for your helpful posts on this thread. ♥

A lot more brands are adopting cruelty-free practices and vegan ingredients, thankfully! I see it more and more every day. My favourite brand rn is Kiko. Would love to be able to purchase Asian skincare/makeup but it's never 100% cruelty free, unless anyone can recommend me a brand that is.

>>151341
>>151344
Lmao burgerfags thinking the world revolves around them, as usual. Just because your country is shit doesn't mean there aren't almost 200 countries on this earth that aren't.

>>151372
I'm from the EU, the beauty industry is shit for the environment no matter where in the world it's produced dumbass.

>>151378
Stop shitting up the thread, it’s still better than not caring at all and maybe this thread can inspire some people. Your posts won’t inspire anyone to not buy make-up if you’re acting like a little bitch.

>>151378
Not all of us are okay with smelling like BO and using comedogenic coconut oil for everything. Please don't crash your bike on the way to the co-op, luv.

Anyways, Logical Harmony is another really good, comprehensive resource to add onto the ones in the OP. She's really thorough, checks in with companies regularly, and also has a list of brands to straight up avoid.

https://logicalharmony.net/

Thank you for this thread!
I can recommend "Natura", a brazilian brand that has a very wide range of makeup and skin/haircare.
I personally love their body/hands lotions, soaps and face cleansers, but they have anything you can imagine. I also have some eyeshadows and eyeliners, which are really good, but I think I prefer their skincare.
They're cruelty-free, vegan, use ingredients from the Amazon but use fair trade and have eco-designed packages!
https://www.naturabrasil.fr/en-us/

>>151397
yeeess bitch! i love natura's products. but i believe they are a latin american thing, idk if you can get them in other places

>>151406
I read somewhere that they also have sellers in the US! But yeah, they definitely have more presence in Latin America. I hope they can expand their market in the next years because they're the shit

>>151372
Most of the cows here are American, so I think it's fair to assume the majority of users are too.

I wouldn't be surprised if other countries were loose about labels, too. "Organic" for instance borders on being meaningless because of the disparities in how it's defined in the industry. "Cruelty free" has sadly become more of a marketing gimmick than an actual movement. Governments should start banning animal testing for cosmetics entirely instead of waiting for consumers to boycott literally all companies that do it.

>>151450
That's not because the userbase is USian, but because 1. there a plenty of batshit crazy seppos and 2. lingua franca is English, so it makes sense to post English-speaking cows.

>>151397
Natura is a MLM btw

kek love that this thread pretty much immediately got derailed if u don't like it hide the thread its rly not that hard

anyways not cosmetics but i've started to use dr. bronner's for everything since i started working somewhere that sells it. cleans my face, my body, my hair, my bathroom, and makes everything smell like roses. tea tree soap is rly good for acne/dandruff. highly recommended

>>152197
bronners for hair? tell me more anon. whats your hair type & did you have an adjustment period before your hair got used to it? doesnt it dry you out too much?

>>152226
Nayrt but it wasn’t clarifying enough for my hair, left it limp and dirty. Love it for everything else tho

>>152197
I’ve used those before, too, but idk where to get them where I live and I obviously refuse to order it from the USA.

>>152226
ita and like >>152240 said ymmv depending on your hair type and current routine

i have thick and coarse 2C curly hair that I've been co-washing with silicone-free conditioner for almost 7 years now. I only shampoo my hair once every two weeks or so. Bronner's works great for this because it has no sulfates in it so it doesn't dry out your hair, but if you're using conditioner or styling products that contain silicones you might find it doesn't clean your hair as "well" as other shampoos (the reason being that most shampoos have sulfates/detergents in them that are designed to strip your hair of all its oils – both dirt AND the oils that keep your hair naturally moisturized.) Because I don't use anything with silicone in my hair the Dr. Bronner's soap washes everything out fine – silicones coat your hair shaft and are responsible for that "built up" feeling that you get when you put too much product in your hair.

I honestly preach the gospel of everyone switching away from sulfate-containing shampoos and silicone-containing styling products because your hair will genuinely feel healthier with a lot less maintenance in most cases, but there is absolutely a transition period where your hair gets greasy if you decide to take this route. I don't think it lasted longer than a month for me, but I just supplemented with dry shampoo in-between washes. (I also gradually stopped shampooing as much – went from once a day to once every three days, then once every five days, and so on until I got where I am today)

People often don't believe me when I tell them I only shampoo my hair every other week because they expect me to look like a greaseball – however, depending on your hair type your results could vary. I hope this helps a bit!

>>152260
also non-burger and I think you can buy it online anywhere except South America atm? their website has an international section if that helps at all

>>152302
oop saging for samefriend but I forgot to mention that most cowashing/etc. guides i've seen will talk about really specific/premium brands (e.g. devacurl) but honestly I pay $5/bottle for my conditioner at the drug store and it does the job just fine – I know here in Canada garnier has a ton of silicone-free conditioners, not sure what the selection is like elsewhere

>>152303
Agreed. I use a Garnier conditioner (Idk what it's called in English but it's a loving blends one with a white bottle and pale pink cap). It's like 4 euro and works like a charm. No need to pay for those niche expensive curl brands you can only get online and are like 20 euro a bottle.

>>152303
>>152310
But Garnier isn’t cruelty free, right? Isn’t it owned by L’Oreal?

>>152323
good call anon, you're totally right. didn't think of this beforehand as I didn't buy the Dr. B's soap because it was cruelty free (that was just kind of an added bonus) but now that you've brought it to my attention I think I might switch out from the garnier conditioner once I've used up my current supply.

will report back when/if I find a good substitute at the drugstore – in the meantime, I might give a castor oil/coconut oil combo a try.

also gonna drop this here for any anons looking to get rid of silicones in their haircare! https://www.thehairfuel.com/silicones-in-hair-care-all-you-need-to-know/

>>152323
oh woops, I thought I was replying in the hair thread, my bad.

>>152323
OK quick question from someone who knows 0 about cruelty-free make-up, so don't kill me please. Garnier and L'oreal sell in the EU but you can't sell any cosmetics/beauty products here with ingredients that have been tested on animals, so in what way exactly are they not crueltly-free then? Or is this about selling in China?

>>152503
It's because they sell in china, but apparently don't actually test on animals in certain products. This blog goes into more detail:

https://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/brands/garnier/

“L’Oréal has been committed to working alongside the Chinese authorities and scientists to have alternative testing methods recognized, and enable the cosmetics regulation to evolve towards a total and definite elimination of animal testing. Thus, today the product manufactured and sold in China called “non-functional” such as shampoo, body wash or make-up are already no longer tested on animals. We have opened an Episkin Center in Shanghai is 2014 enabling us to produce reconstructed skins. These skins are used to safety tests in vitro that do not involve animals and are made available for the Chinese authorities. In regard to animal testing, L’Oréal does not test any of its products or any of its ingredients on animals and has been at the forefront of alternative methods for over 30 years.”

>>152515
Super confusing tbh but I've bookmarker the website for future referencing, thanks!