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No. 160663
Advice for you OP (because I was the same way): distance yourself from social media and the internet in general. There are extremely shallow people who will judge your appearance no matter what. The fact is, no matter how beautiful or youthful you may be now, you will grow old. Put your value in other qualities besides your appearance; models are so unhappy, not just because of an industry that treats them horribly (don't mean to trivialize), but also because their sole value in their line of work is being beautiful- they too will age and grow old.
Don't say things like, "well, I better enjoy my youth while I have it!" It seems fine at first, but it'll just make your more terrified of losing it. You don't have to embrace aging, but it will happen and it's better to not fear it. Again, put value in your other qualities, besides something as uncontrollable (to a point) as appearance. Think of creating beautiful things that'll last, like a painting or sculpting, or even just enjoying said things yourself. Would you rather have a cute guy ask you out, or an average guy, who carved a hummingbird out of wood for you, ask you out?
Also, I'm not saying that you can't be beautiful as an older person, but it's just shallow to want to remain beautiful forever anyway. I don't blame you, our society puts extreme pressure on us to be beautiful, but it's just not feasible with these standards. OP, you're worth so much more than a pretty young face and body. Aging sucks, but worrying about things you can't control will just make it suck more. Plus, people who take care of themselves health-wise will age much better than those who don't.
To answer your thread questions:
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
I'm fine with it, really. It kind of makes me happy, from what I read online women are much happier in their 30s than their 20s. Plus, you don't get creepers as much or judged for being "immature" and "inexperienced". I don't struggle with accepting it, but I used to.
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
Yes, many times. I used to browse 4chan and go on chatrooms a lot when I was a pre-teen/early teen, and basically put all my worth into the fact I was underaged and young. I got preyed upon a lot and had a lot of guys take advantage of me. Even met up with a guy and had a 30-year-old boyfriend for a bit when I was just 13. He was so fat and gross, ugh, luckily we never did anything too sexual. When I turned 14, he seemed very disappointed in me getting older and was very cold to me (I broke up with him after that). I almost took my life because I was so scared of being viewed as unattractive and old.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
I don't really pay attention to it these days. I love doing makeup and skincare, but it's mostly for my acne + grooming rather than trying to be younger. If I see something about it and it upsets me, I just put my attention elsewhere and I feel better.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
As said above, just avoid social media and the internet in general. Again, you're more than someone that exists to look pretty. You can be so much more.
No. 160672
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
Almost 30. I love that I'm more confident, capable, stronger and self assured than I've ever been before. Happy to know I am indeed still young, despite the perception some types try to push. (You're not legally a senior citizen here until 55. That's nearly double the time I've been alive.) I've learned and grown so much in the past few years and I'm excited to see what else I can accomplish over time. No, I don't struggle to accept it. I'm proud of it.
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
Nope. I mean I'm sure people have judged me for any number of things, but these days it just has no effect on my self perception or the perception of those who matter to me.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
I don't engage with them. I know I'm winning at life so why would I give any credence to a group of primarily men shrieking and crying over the fact that when women mature they aren't going to cater to their entitled desires anymore, so they try to tear us down by creating a fake set of limitations? They're literally the demographic I care about least. Women and men who aren't caught up in a broad range of neuroses, self hatred and projections simply don't have "unrealistic age-related expectations."
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
Engage with healthier material, it's out there. Find female role models of all ages who are living the life you want to create for yourself. Do things that make you happy, learn new skills, think for yourself and surround yourself with people who appreciate you for who you are, not who they think you should be.
No. 160674
>>160673One million times
OP is such a young baby that she has yet to learn how to use a catalog
My favorite variation of this thread is the one where anons post badass old ladies, it's much more positive
No. 160686
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
The only thing that scares me about getting old, is not being able to move, my mind leaving me and eventual death. Every now and then to help me accept this fate, I read/watch therapy videos of those with cancer or dying and how to cope with it. I end up crying, but I also end up feeling better afterward and gives me energy to keep doing what I love and set my priorities for today.
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
Yes but not in the way that you think. I'm 32 and my co-workers, uber drivers, random people I've met all think I'm in my early 20s so I often hear comments regarding lack of experience and "you're too young, you wouldn't know anything about that." I'm not complaining about it, just answering the question.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
I'm too old to care lol. That's one thing I've learned is that as you age, you stop caring what other people think as much. The things I do now are for me and what I enjoy because no one else is and you only have so much time on earth. No need to waste it on worrying about what other people think.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
Stay fit, stay healthy, learn to defend yourself and learn to be self sufficient. If you're worried about looks, take care of them so that the future you will have less to worry about.
No. 160712
>>160697You make some
valid points but pushing the misogynistic narrative that The Wall exists for women is deeply
problematic. The Wall, as shilled by redpill moids, was created with little actual regard for women's fertility and is used instead to mock women for aging like humans. These tards use pseudoscience to insist that they're actually ~so woke and based~ for wanting to fuck teenagers who don't know any better. Fertility for both men and women peaks between the ages of 30 and 35– not 16 like these thinly veiled pedophiles usually insist. Male semen quality rapidly declines with age as well, but you'll rarely hear about it from people who spout bullshit about women and The Wall.
Finally, if a woman is dead-set on being a mother, time is not the ultimate constraint. Adoption exists, and if you're uncomfortable with the idea of adoption, then maybe you're less interested in motherhood than you thought you were.
No. 160762
>>160751Ok, scrote. This is a massive generalization. Men who aren’t incels or immature tend to date within their age range. A well rounded, self assured man will feel more comfortable dating someone with whom he has things in common with and matches his maturity level - someone in his age group.
The internet, and especially the chans, are incredible at attempting to perpetuate “the wall”, and incels want to believe the women that rejected them at 20 will come crawling back at 40. They’re also desperate to believe that, by their 40s, they’ll have been as successful as people like Leonardo DiCaprio or other famous millionaires that are pursued relentlessly by younger women.
If you distance yourself from the internet, and observe real life relationships, you’ll notice dating and romance happens at all ages, and the men who hold specifically for young women tend to be a. Immature b. Perpetually alone & miserable, bitter & angry c. Wildly undesirable, in both personality & looks - deep down they know only someone who is inexperienced and naive might give them a sliver of a chance, so they harass young girls
Fuck, for my job I’m regularly at nursing homes. Even if that environment, men in their 80s are pursuing other equally aged women, and they date, fall in love, and find romance. I’ve met women in their 80s who are hot shit at their nursing home, with multiple other 80-somethings pursuing and swooning over them.
The wall is a massive cope made up by incels, that insinuates all a woman has to offer is youthful beauty, and it’s meant to degrade and depress women of all ages in order to pressure them into ~hopefully~ lowering their standards and throwing their bodies at incels before its “too late” and they’re out of options
No. 160765
>>160762And before someone pulls out the “but way many men think younger women are prettier”, - everybody finds youth beautiful on a biological level. Men who are worth anything, understand differences in maturity level/life experience, and still pursue women their own age.
If you ever meet a man who is only interested in dating younger women, run far away - this is a sign of poor psychological development, and men who think this way aren’t fit for long term relationships with anyone at all imo. These types of men are the ones who die alone next to piles of porn and empty beer bottles, estranged from friends and family, destined to live a shallow life without ever experiencing true love
I work funeral services and remove dead bodies. I pick up these types of men pretty regularly. Sometimes, when I’m pulling them out of their incel caves, things like teen porn & 4chan will still be open on their Cheeto dust covered computers
No. 160768
>>160753well I do believe I didn't feel old and running out of time at 12 because I wanted men to fuck me,
the wall is just an example of how women are conditioned to believe that they have an expiration date
No. 160778
>>160765>things like teen porn & 4chan will still be open on their Cheeto dust covered computersFun image but I'm selecting doubt, anon
I can believe lots of old men have teen porn mags, but I don't believe many men above the age of sixty use 4chan and eat cheetos
Can you expand on this?
No. 160780
>>160778The men that I’m referring to (I’m thinking of 3 particular cases) were between 40-50, not over 60. Hence dying at home from sudden complications. We pick up people of all ages
Another fantastic case was the 30-something man with a sex dungeon basement, who killed himself accidentally doing autoerotic asphyxiation lol
No. 160781
>>160780That's still quite old but I guess it's possible.
I find this stuff fascinating, if you ever want to share more on the employment thread in ot then please do.
No. 160798
>>160656Go outside, talk to your mom, and shut up please.
This is getting ridiculous, I'm seeing more and more people on here screeching about aging at 18, commenting on how someone looks "so young for 25", using "almost 30" as an insult, just please shut the fuck up and go outside. Just try it out for once.
You'll see people can exist and feel/look good at any age, the world is not 4chanland where all men over thirty are sexy hunks with money and women over 30 are decrepit old hags.
I've mentioned this before on here, but we are the first generation who will very likely live over 100 and as long as 130 if not more. What are you going to do with all this time if you give up at 30 and announce that your life is over?
You're not better or worse than anyone else for being a certain age because we will all be 4 and we will all be 14 and 40 at some point. You're not going to like and enjoy the same things at 4 and 14, or 14 and 40 and you shouldn't.
I don't see anyone crying about not going to kindergarten anymore, so why cry about not being in high school or no longer being annoying and stupid as fuck? Stop listening to pedos and YA writers, you had no rights and got cyberbullied and groomed by pedos, it's not that great. Everyone gets mistreated due to their age for different reasons, we need to fight against it and not cry about aging.
The older you get the more you'll see it's just retards trying to bring you down, the same retards who call themselves rational and logical and then say they can't control themselves and not rape someone unless a woman covers up. What they're saying never makes any sense and is just cope. This is why older women give less and less of a fuck, they realize they don't have to because it's pointless.
Please find a hobby, a purpose in life, plant some trees, look for things that make you happy and healthy and that you will enjoy doing for years to come. Age is just a number.
No. 160802
>>160798why are anons getting so mad over this
the scrotes sperging about women expiring at 25 are obviously retarded but we can't just pretend that they're the only instance of women being treated differently when it comes to age lol
i've had extremely normie friends irl stressing over fine lines while they were in high school and i'm expected to pop out a baby at 30 by most of people where I live (eastern europe)
another encounter like that was when a friend of mine said she'd be too old to pursue education when she's in her mid/late twenties because that's when women should be engaged and living with their partner lmao
i didn't use imageboards till I was 18 and still was scared of growing older as a preteen because i would be expected to be sexually available and performating femininity
this thread isn't complaining about not being fuckable to pedo creeps but i guess that's what i get for using the wall in the title huh
No. 160806
>>160798>>160797All of these. Once you pass 30 you'll realize that the wall was a meme made by men who wanted to pressure young and naive women into settling with some loser manipulative scrote. You won't wake up at 30 and turn into dust, and at that point you also realize
how young women in their early 20s look and act like - they're literal teenagers, and that's apparently what's being held as the golden standard for women. Do you really want to support that bullshit ideal?
And it's not only those who got groomed by 4chan incels in their teens, plenty of normie women are horrified of aging past 25 because they've been told the lie that if they don't have children and a husband to pamper at 30+ they might as well just become desolated cat ladies and disappear.
No. 160807
>>160802>this thread isn't complaining about not being fuckable to pedo creeps but i guess that's what i get for using the wall in the title huhYeah, considering that term is heavily used and propagated by incels.
Anons are getting mad because this is not the first thread that's been made on this topic and it reeks of underage insecurity. The same advice has been given over and over. It's your choice whether you want to take it or keep on crying about how women's lives are over past the age of 30. I get it's frustrating that society perpetuates this and you can't just turn their bullshit takes off, but at some point you need to just say fuck it and live your damn life.
No. 160810
>>160807idk why it's taken as crying, my bad on the thread's name though
I looked through the bio-clock thread but it's mostly talking about physical aging and reaching your 30s while I don't rly mean that with this thread,
I am aware of how young I am, but it's like I said, this has been an issue I've had since I was child, feeling irrationally old for no reason or rather older than everyone else
No. 160813
>>160806>plenty of normie women are horrified of aging past 25 because they've been told the lie that if they don't have children and a husband to pamper at 30+ they might as well just become desolated cat ladies and disappear.Am I the only one who's, at 24, genuinely not experienced any sort of pressure to marry and have kids, ever? Unless you count people asking me if I have a boyfriend upon first meeting me as if that's the most important about me, having a man by my side, or my aunt smirking and telling me "that I'll change my mind" when I told her I didn't want kids. But that's about the worst of it. I've just never ever experienced any sort of pressure specifically to a) marry and b) have kids. I'm open about not wanting to have kids when asked about it and most of the time I'm met with this sort of 'I don't share how you feel about (not) having kids but I accept it.'
How do other girls/women experience this? Do you very literally have people tell you that you need to marry and have kids or 'else'? Who are these people then?
No. 160817
>>160813 >Am I the only one who's, at 24, genuinely not experienced any sort of pressure to marry and have kidBy the age of 24 I had already married and seperated, no kids. Nobody has ever bothered me about relationship/baby shit because I got my failed marriage out of the way early lol.
Now that I'm in my thirties my friends are all starting to get divorced and lose their minds over shared custody of kids. I think people are starting to come around to the reality that something like half of all families are kids and stepkids, half siblings, second marriages. Finding a soulmate at any age is lucky, never mind finding them in your early twenties and staying together for eternity.
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>>160873>I’m 28 and men are starting to “too old” me but I don’t really care. The disappointing part is getting hate from ZoomersWtf on both accounts, how does this happen, what do they say/when do they say it? Are those men 20 or something? How do they know you're 28 unless you tell them?
People are idiots, I swear.
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?I'm sad that my parents will die and I won't have the same energy to run around like I did when I was young. Other than that I don't care, things haven't changed for me much so far (I'm 27).
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?When I was a teenager, but that's also because I was ugly.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women? I don't really experience any issues.
At most, some people in their late teens/early 20s will say I still look "so young I could be (X age)" and it sounds like a backhanded way to say I'm old even though I know they probably just can't phrase it better. It sounds like people think that after a certain age it's impossible to enjoy life and you become old and used up, and effectively only have a short window of time when life is worth living. Which is depressing bullshit. Also, you don't get fat and wrinkly in your 30s unless you spent your teens and 20s partying, doing drugs and not wearing sunscreen.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?Make friends with people your age, speak with authority and take no shit. Also hug your parents and cherish every moment you have with them.
No. 160882
>>160813I think that kind of stuff happens in more rural/traditional areas. Most of my former classmates that were from places like that are already married and or have kids and we're all around the age of 25.
I'm so glad that I don't have to deal with any of that bullshit, my cousins and brother are all close to/in their early 30's with no children or married so it's kind of "normal" in our family.
I also find it hilarious that people think their lives are over by the time they reach 30. I mean I get it but lmao
No. 160885
>>160805Seriously, it’s sad but I was introduced to this thought pattern at 17yo. When I turned 18 I felt I’d lost a certain appeal because I wasn’t “jailbait” anymore, and felt ancient. I literally cried on my 18th birthday, and have had troubles with birthdays ever since.
This thinking can be so
toxic and robs even teens of appreciating their youth
No. 160892
>>160813You're still pretty young so I doubt people would be bugging you about it at this stage to begin with, but I think the pressure is more subtle than people coming to yell in your face to birth some fucking kids right now. Most of my friends are childfree (I'm 30+) but I've noticed that my female normie coworkers feel pressure to start a family because every piece of media they consume just removes women aged 32+ from existence and locks them inside their houses to be mommies cleaning up after their kids and taking care of the marriage.
I recently visited a women's magazine website and all the articles were about combining work and raising kids, tending to your husband, weddings, home interior etc. No inspirational posts about hobbies, achievements, traveling (even pre-covid), restaurants and general foodie topics, career management etc. the general stuff you would see in a men's magazine. Even the celebrities interviewed were always offered to discuss their family life. It's something that goes deep into the structures of society and tends to be pretty stealth to the point you won't notice it until you start paying attention to it.
No. 160896
>>160892This, nobody in my family legitimately cares and I'm in my late 20s so it's still not
that bad, but even I started feeling the pressure once I turned 26.
Suddenly everyone my age is having kids and it's all they ever talk about, people are fussing about weddings and buying things for the home because they had an oopsie baby and want to get married before it's out, people I used to be friends with who had jobs are abandoning all hopes of a career in order to become wifey and mommy and saying they're "too old now" to do x, y or z (which is fine if that's what they choose to do, but the sad looks and sighing tell me it's not entirely their own choice).
It's hard not to feel pressured when everyone you know and are friends with starts popping out kids while at the same time complaining about their current life. Legitimately want to become a nun at this point just to take the pressure away.
No. 160927
>>160885>When I turned 18 I felt I’d lost a certain appeal because I wasn’t “jailbait” anymore, and felt ancient. I literally cried on my 18th birthday, and have had troubles with birthdays ever since.anon are you me? i felt like that too and not to assume anything about you but i feel like that way of thinking is sadly pretty common if you experienced sexual abuse at a young age. i did and i'm 99.99999% it's the reason i have such a warped view of my own age
fast forward to now, i'm almost 20 and i'm dreading my birthday because i won't be a teenager anymore and i'm starting to feel even more undesirable, i've been trying to force myself to be attracted to men over twice my age so i can still feel young but i always feel disgusting after getting involved with them
No. 160958
>>160935Your ex is trash, you know that though. And you are 100% correct and supported by data. The most commonly preferred age for women on dating apps is 18. For men it's (surprisingly) 50.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/15/style/dating-apps-online-men-women-age.html>The median 30-year-old man spends as much time messaging teenage girls as he does women his own age>OkCupid also reported that as a man gets older, he searches for relatively younger and younger women, while his upper acceptable age limit hovers just above his own age.I think a big issue is that researchers constantly attribute this to men being fixated on looks, and youthful = hotter than women their own age. But I actually don't think that's the case at all, many 30-something women are very attractive and even look like they're in their 20s still, but since men can see age so readily on apps they fuck off. More than once I've had guys attempt to hit on me irl then suddenly lose interest once they knew my age. Imo they want women that have just barely moved past childhood so they are easier to groom, manipulate and turn into their perfect little bangmaids where they know older women call them on that shit. They also tend to be way more self conscious about their own age (the mid-life crisis is almost completely a male-coded issue, after all) and leeching off a teenager makes them feel alive again.
No. 161002
>>160988Feeling old probably comes from trauma or having to grow up too fast. If a child has to act like an adult, they’re going to perceive themselves as ‘old’ because time isn’t very comprehensible to them. Even their parents, who may only be in their 20s, are ‘old’ from their perspective so if they’re having to act on the same level of them, it follows that they are old too.
You have to keep in mind that kids are really stupid and can’t make sense of things. Even adults can struggle with this.
If you meant feeling like they look old that’s probably due to having features which are associated with being old. Deep tear troughs, genetic dark circles, nasolabial folds, thin hair, even big noses (because of the shadows) can cause a kid to look ‘old’ in a weird way because culturally those are things we associate with ageing. Fact is that some people have them from a very young age.
No. 161088
>>161002I was chubbier as a teen, didn’t care for my skin, was covered in freckles and the extra facial fat made my face appear aged/saggier and people always assumed I was in my 20s due to my forehead lines, skin condition, and body at 15-18yo. When I turned 18, I focused on skincare, lost heaps of weight, faded the lines and freckles, and then people started assuming I was 16 by the time I hit 22.
It’s all in how you take care of your body, mind your weight and care for your skin
No. 161107
>>161104I mean, does it? The literal point of Botox is to get rid of fine lines and wrinkles. It’s practically undetectable unless you have an amateur as fuck practitioner putting it way close to your eyelids and lips.
I’ve been getting Botox forever, literally nobody notices unless it’s a compliment on my skin or complexion.
Not to medfag but the vast majority of people who have negative opinions of Botox are seeing botched facelifts, fillers, and various procedures.
No. 161123
>>161120Sounds like you didn't get lucky with genetics then. :( Was your face always saggy even when you were younger?
It's a bit invasive, but you could try a thread lift (you can be awake during the procedure) or fraxel lasers.
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>>161131The latter combined with "smile" lines (even when not smiling) and those diagonal lines underneath eyebags. Kind of like this woman basically.
No. 161137
>>161133I had dark under eye bags since I was a little kid. Super insecure, people always asked if I was tired and I would dump concealer underneath them.
Got restalyne filler under my eyes and it was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made for myself.
But uhh the general consensus for any kind of cosmetic procedures in these threads seem to be
>>161105 No. 161182
>>160656>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?27 years old, not really. Most of the time I don't remember my age correctly, and say I'm 26 or 28, even though I swear I'm not retarded. I don't feel older, but I'm also very immature for my age, and have a childish face, so people often think I'm 20-22.
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?Not really. I mean I'm afraid that if I wanted to change jobs, the interviewers would throw my CV away even just by paper, because I'm a woman in my late 20s, and they probably assume I'm going to pop out babies soon, because that's the general age women have babies in my country nowadays.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women? I'm honestly not ever sure I'm aware of them, other than the one I mentioned just above (that every woman HAS to have a baby and is just looking to settle down before 35). Beauty so obviously goes away for both sexes, and I can't help that manchildren or men with overinflated egos think they need 18 year olds so they feel like they're more attractive than they are. If anything, women's expectations will probably reach the same level too, thanks to media. It's just that young women aren't that reclusive from society yet as a lot of young men.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?I don't really know what to do about hiring discrimination. For men's crazy expectations: does it really matter that a random 35+ year old with a beer belly wouldn't pick you as their first choice? You wouldn't pick them either.
No. 161205
>>161200You can decide to not disclose it, but they'll often ask you when they call you up anyway. You can refuse to answer, but they'll assume you're older and uncooperative, so there isn't a good way to go about it.
>>161184I think rounding up is normal, since you technically did begin your "xth" year, just haven't completed it yet. For me, years are just starting to blend together, because it's not like in your teens, when every year was celebrated like a milestone.
No. 161283
>>161278>"guys won't date anyone over 25 or you'll have to settle with a fat balding scrote"The fear mongering is even more absurd than that, these days scrots are like
>"guys won't date anyone over 25 so you must settle with a fat balding scrote when you're a teenager"I would rather die alone than settle and have no fear of being single but still, I look forward to getting my cougar on.
No. 161406
>>161388SAAAAME. I was self destructive,
toxic, and essentially crazy until around 30, then I no longer had the wherewithal to put up with my own bullshit
No. 161538
>>160806>just become desolated cat ladies and disappear.50+ cat lady reporting in. You called?
But seriouly, winding up alone when you're older isn't the horrible thng that some people make it out to be. I keep active and have many friends. Just because I'd rather come home at night to an appreciatve fuzzface then some whiney manbaby doesn't mean I've failed in any way.
But then I never felt a driving need to have babies, and have a low sex drive so maybe the cat thing won't work for everyone.
No. 161551
>>160958>Imo they want women that have just barely moved past childhood so they are easier to groom, This is exactly it. It's not about looks or fertility, since most scrotes do not want to raise or pay for children. Most teens look like a hot mess with the personality of a kid.
Scrotes are just interested in taking advantage of the remnants of subservience and obeying authority that school and parents teach you. It takes a few years to realize you need to stand your ground as an adult and not smile and nod to whatever anyone tells you. Scrotes aim for that window.
No. 161616
>>160958>Imo they want women that have just barely moved past childhood so they are easier to groom, manipulate and turn into their perfect little bangmaids where they know older women call them on that shit.This is 100% true. Being hyperbolic you could be the perfect legal loli looking 35-year old but men who are into younger women still wouldn't be interested after hearing your age because they know their chances of grooming you would be much lower than with a 20-year old. Women usually wake up to male bullshit in their late 20's and learn to set limits, it's absolutely not a coincidence that "the wall" is set at around such an arbitrary age.
>>161387kek
No. 161718
>>160988sry for responding to old shit but i'm the op and for me it was a combination of physical and mental traits
I started puberty really fast and throughout 11-14 people assumed i was 16-19, was very much sexualised and treated like an adult by strangers,
as for the latter, i didn't fit with other kids in many aspects,
i wasn't entirely rejecting childish things, I loved playing and such but I did always feel more mature than other kids, I had trouble relating to them and couldn't talk to them about many things because they didn't understand them,
meanwhile adults always praised me for how mature and intelligent I was in their eyes (which btw only alienates the kid and usually puts pressure on them to keep it up) and I usually talked to adults instead of kids mty age.
They weren't groomers either, just people I knew irl like my female neighbors and teachers.
I did also go through depression really early which I believe furthered this
also yk the usual stuff like different interests, I read a lot of old literature and had interest in psychiatry (which probably was a result of trauma tbh)
No. 161852
>>161742Maybe I’m just lucky but from my own personal experience with decent men, I haven’t experienced or witnessed this. In fact I’ve watched men turn down younger women based on age difference
You sound like an incel, or a slighted salty woman. Choose better men kek
No. 161864
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I think Audrey aged gracefully. She managed to stay elegant as she got old
No. 161915
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>>161864Winona Ryder also looks good, but not like she's trying to look younger than she is. She's 49 and I think she's aging gracefully.
No. 163311
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>>161387Jesus… imagine the odor and sweaty atmosphere of that hoarded room.
No. 163394
>>163316Yeah, over the last few years I’ve been obsessing over my under eye hollows. Then I saw a photo of myself as a kid with the same hollows, and realized they’ve always been there due to my high cheekbones
I also used to worry about forehead lines, then I realized mine have gotten better since I was a teen. They used to be deep and visible due to lack of skincare and extra baby fat, now there are little to no lines there at all.
Tbh I aged backwards. When I was a teen I looked late 20s. Now I look like a teen. Sometimes losing baby fat is a good thing
No. 163397
> What are your thoughts on getting older, do you struggle with it?
Every day of my life since I hit 18. I’m not sure if sexual abuse and porn at a young age influenced me, but I’ve felt guilty every day of my life for simply getting older. I feel that I lose value every minute I stay alive. Most days I think about killing myself before 30 just to avoid the suffering of being discarded, ignored and unappealing. I’ve only ever wanted to feel beautiful, and we live in a society that favors youth over all else
> Have you ever had an experience where you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
No, but I do notice people in general are less forgiving and expect you to act certain ways as time passes. I’m 26 but I feel like I’m still 18 on the inside, and being perceived as a fully grown adult causes me internal conflict and sadness. Being less valuable on the sexual market does make me feel like my existence loses value. Again, sexual abuse, porn from a young age and I spent my teens and early 20s pandering to pedophiles to feel small.
> How do you cope with the unrealistic expectations put on women as they age?
I don’t cope well at all. I’m OCD about skincare, I go out of my way to look young, dress young, I consider suicide regularly. The only way I cope with aging anything is the promise of the sweet release of death whenever I choose. I don’t feel anywhere near ready to settle down, have babies, or act my age. Most people assume I’m 19/20, rather than 26, but I’m constantly paranoid someone thinks I look 30.
> Do you have any tips to help other women cope?
Hell no. I can’t even cope. I wish someone could help me. All I have to offer is - appreciate your youth while it’s there. It’s fleeting and the most precious thing to possess
No. 163409
>>163397>appreciate your youth while it’s there. It’s fleeting and the most precious thing to possesslmao no
you were right about one thing though, you still act just like an 18 year old.
No. 163412
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>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
I absolutely love the idea of getting older! Godamn I love the older woman look, been looking forward to dress like that since a child. I want my grey hair, I want to be invisible to men, I want to be wrinkly and saggy. Why the hell would I want to be young forever?
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
I think people who perceive me as lesser is due to the fact I am female, not for my age. I do not give a shit if somebody likes me or not.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
I do not cope, I embrace age coming for me. Cannot wait to be older, wiser, happier, more selfless, and carefree! Shit I have my whole life ahead of me, being in your 20s is overrated, there is hardly that much freedom, especially the temptation that you should try love or men out.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
You guys need to love yourselves. Learn to live life outside of vanity and men. Now that I am working for my own future, I plan to live my life to what I say is the fullest. Having my own house, my own style, my own time. It's 2020, most people cannot afford a house until their 30s. You should look forward to aging? I want to do so much and I focus on staying healthy. Work out your muscles, stop stressing over the most trivial shit. Focus on staying not miserable for the rest of your life?
No. 164260
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>>163412I remembered this fashion blogger, I think you will like her.
http://bagandaberet.blogspot.com/ She is so crazy, but cool crazy. I hope I will become like her one day.
No. 164261
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>>164260Me too! I love older ladies who dress in a style of "fashionable kookiness."
No. 164265
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>>164261Yeah. Oh I just remembered this picture I saved of Vivienne Westwood, she looks so beautiful here and I want to make a bolero like hers
No. 164267
>>164237It'll work out alright anon. I'm 24 and I'm getting a little worried about aging, but at least my acne and sensitivity have calmed down. I think as long as you put a reasonable amount of effort into skincare and staying off drying/aging drugs or alcohol, wearing sunscreen etc you'll be a lot better off than most women who party then pass out covered in makeup.
I know it's cliche, but love yourself anon!
No. 164348
>>164345The more you reply the more they will just keep on parrotting the same shite as they have done all fucking day.
> "hurt teens, brutalize women, torture the young!"Blah blah we get it
No. 164690
>>164686His sperm is going to shit anyway, so if he's already wanting to wait forever, fuck him. It takes a while to build a good relationship, but waiting around forever on someone that ends up potentially wasting your time is bullshit. If you want him, he needs an ultimatum. I can't see that turning out very well long term, but your decision.
You're not getting uglier. Just take care of yourself and your skin. Things are going to be fine.
No. 164693
>>164686when he says 'we aren't ready' what does he mean? like, financially? or is he just talking about himself?
also, i'm sorry you're jealous, anon. seeing another woman with everything you've ever wanted can be difficult to contend with, especially for someone with low self esteem. i mean, why else would you go for a man 10 years your senior, if the men your own age didn't intimidate you? were boys your own age mean to you growing up? i'm genuinely asking this. how we're treated in our formative years inform our decisions later in life and blah blah blah. that maturity bit is a load of shit by the way. men will always be immature, so long as you're measuring them by the female metric. consider it the folly of male socialization, for they are so often coddled.
i know i'm being mean here, but listen: the other anon has it right. your life is yours. you are its master orchestrator. if you want something to change, if you're dissatisfied with how your life is set up, you gotta get off your ass and start giving it some direction, because it sure as shit ain't gonna come about with you just thinking all of these big thoughts.
it looks to me like your boyfriend
likes the way that things are. and even if he avoids talking about all of this, his actions speak very loudly for him in their place on the matter.
No. 164697
>>164690>>164693>when he says 'we aren't ready' what does he mean? like, financially? or is he just talking about himself?He says we aren't prepared but it's more like he doesn't want the responsibility of a family right now. Maybe he's waiting for the right woman so he can dump me. I know he settled for me and that I'm nobody's first choice.
I've never had a proper relationship with a man my age, they only ever wanted to be friends with benefits. I told myself younger men were just immature but then women like my co-worker remind me that I'm just too ugly to get good treatment from men.
No. 164699
>>164686>I've always thought I'd be better off dating older men (my bf is 39) You fell for a meme men spread so they can get younger women who are out of their league, sorry.
If you've been together fucking 6 YEARS and he's fucking 39 YEARS OLD and still 'not ready', he is never going to be ready. You are correct that you're a placeholder gf and he's waiting for someone better. If you want marriage and kids you need to dump him, raise your standards and find a decent guy. You are still young af with plenty of time, and no doubt you are not as ugly as you think.
No. 164762
>>164757Being jealous of women in their early to mid 20s I can somewhat understand, but being jealous of teenagers is weird af.
Barely anyone looks their best in their teens. "Girls peak at 16" is just men trying to rationalize the fact that they can't handle a partner with a fully developed brain.
My mom looked her best in her early 30s. My paternal grandmother stayed single until the age of 32, married a younger man and had three children. We skipped an entire generation because the women in my family didn't feel the need to rush. Not in the 1940s, not in the 1980s, so I'm sure as hell not going to start stressing now.
No. 164764
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>>164762I can't think of a single teen at my school that didn't look like either pic related or its late-2000s horsegirl cousin and wasn't financially and emotionally helpless. My own life only started when I turned 24.
No. 164820
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I turned thirty pretty recently and could definitely use some advice. I’m not extremely concerned about not having a husband or kids yet (though I do worry about being unable to find a loving partner at this point) but I’m pretty upset I wasted so much time and didn’t get serious with money till age 27. I still need a roommate to survive (I live in SoCal) and my career is meh at best due to waiting too long to get serious.
If anyone has anything that’s helped them adjust to their 30s that would be great.
No. 164821
>>164820Life isn't a race and the only "failure" is to never start. Stable living in SoCal sucks ass. Housing and rent is ridiculous.
Just keep going forward. 30 is not too late or old. That kind of thinking is kind of
toxic. Just do you the best you can. Don't mind other peoples' business because they're not you and you're not them and they'll never be you nor you them.
No. 164834
>>164820The idea that you have to achieve certain goals at a certain point in life or it's "too late" is so
toxic. I don't know a single person who decided to try something at an "unusually" late point in life (think new career, new education) and failed, but I do know many people who never try because they stress too much about the timing.
Hell, throughout history people had to completely rebuild their lives in their 30s and 40s thanks to wars and shit and still do. What are you going to do with the 50-80 remaining years of your life if you have everything figured out at 30?
Obviously this doesn't mean you should fuck around and do nothing until you have an existential crisis at 35. As long as you're doing
something with your life, it's cool.
Is there nothing you could do to give you career a little boost, anon? Some new skills you could learn? Are you networking, do you have good connections in your industry?
No. 164885
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>>164863I'm attempting a degree. You're welcome to do the same.
No. 164892
>>164762Same!! I feel like having good female role models helps with avoiding this BS mentality. My grandmother got married at 20 (she's like in her mid 80s now and came from an Islamic country, sorry for potential racebait farmhands) and my mom got married at 30 and had 2 kids in mid and late 30s. She definitely did not look decaying while I was growing up as a young kid and is approaching 60 and still looks beautiful now.
As for teenagers thing, I don't get those anons either. Looking back at high school pictures is a constant reminder of how goofy my friends and I looked
No. 169691
>>169665I need permission or what?
>>169681Probably bait but also true, I think tanning is a white people thing mostly and that's why so many age like shit
No. 169695
>>160656This thread sounds like it was made by a scrote to bait women into admitting/acknowleding """the wall""" but what really got me is calling aging as a woman a trauma. A
trauma, really? If OP is truly a woman and aging is truly a trauma for you please get off the fucking internet and limit your media exposure, it's clearly spoiling your sanity.
No. 169705
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I'm 31.
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
The hardest part is watching your parents, uncles and aunts get older and start dying. Suddenly, you become one of the important pillars in your family and the younger ones come to you for help/safety. It's a lot of responsibility, and with each day you become more and more important in the eyes of someone you don't want to fail before time forcibly separates you. I think that's the struggle about it.
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
40+ year olds are still mean to me, but they understand things that I don't yet so I accept that. If you mean by men/women in terms of dating? Not at all, in fact I think it only got worse. The teens these days are very bold and when I say my age in hopes of turning them off, they only look more excited. It makes it a bit difficult, I wish they'd leave me alone. The young men because they're annoying, the young women because most times they're just confused.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
'I don't know what that has to do with me', is my initial thought. "Expectations from strangers" is a waste of time kind of concept. I wonder why some of you even think these things? Why do they stay in your mind like that? Why do you take these "Expectations" and lay them on yourselves like they're set in stone and true? Because someone said something, you have to change your life and how you view yourself now, it's that easy to sway you? I think if something like that bothers you, you have to find and connect with your soul because I don't think you're paying attention to it at all. I think you're looking in the mirror staring at your face, not your eyes.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
Everyone around you is temporary. Your life isnt about your age or some sex fantasy about being a teenager forever. You can always have great sex, you can always look beautiful, you can always command a room, let loose, have a great time. As you get older, it just gets easier to do what you want. Both by means and by confidence. Your confidence and self love is everything. If you think it's age that will ever prevent you from anything, you're living by the guidance of fools who've never had a good time. Embrace every moment of your life and strive to make it better. One day it'll all disappear, so don't leave here wishing you spent the time you had differently.
Also, moisturize every single day. Shower every day, then moisturize your entire body with a light lotion. Avoid too much sunlight and protect your eyes and skin. Brush and floss two times a day if not after every meal-mouthwash and tongue scrape too, don't be lazy. Use shaving cream for your legs. Less heat on your hair. Wash your bedding every weekend. Make your bed as soon as you wake up, and make sure your room is also tidy. A clean room is a clean mind. It may sound tedious, but the more your take care of yourself and your surroundings, the less you entertain silly thoughts and alleged pressures. Oh one more thing. You don't need a lover. They're fun, but not necessary. Enter relationships slowly, but leave briskly. Never shed a tear for a man either. The moment he makes you frown, he's not worth it. A woman will treat you 10 times better. Remember that with every man you meet. A woman will treat you 10 times better.
No. 169734
>>169705Anon you sound so cute and like the big sister I've always wanted.
Do any other younger anons relate–I'm 22 but am scared of aging, esp because I lost a year of my early 20s in this pandemic. It's not so much dating/men but just how poorly women are treated in general, esp how the internet beats up on older white women. I'm scared to fall into that category.
I don't need to get married and have children but I can't lie that I kind of want one child just to be a mother and furthermore, that part of me dreams to have a husband as a life partner. Kind of feels like that will never happen though since I really, really enjoy being single and completely alone for the most part and only miss the cute (and sexy) things about being in a relationship.
No. 169749
>>169734I'm the same age and am the exact same way! Although my aging worries hyperfixate on my under eyes. I don't have eyebags but I get deep creases during the semester. I've been trying to nail down the causes over the past year and sleep seems to be the most help.
Until the pandemic hit, I had always assumed that one day I'll get married and have a family (which still does seem nice) but my life under lockdowns weren't that different from my regular life and made me realize I'm probably not social enough to meet someone I could create that life with…and that I'd feel weird actively looking around a dating scene for husband material LOL. At this point I'm just like, "if it happens, it happens." I think I'm still trying to figure out how I really feel about kids, and that feels more important to me (to figure out) than a partner. It'll definitely take time, but getting to know ourselves and figure out our lives is a benefit of time passing/getting older!
No. 169876
Op you need to love yourself more and stop stressing about your age, its just shit scrotes and even the media shit on women about, I am 31, about to be 32 this year and tbh its no different, if you take care of yourself and your body, you have nothing to worry about.
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
I really don't care to be honest, actually its fun being older you get to boss people around and more people listen to you (so far my experience)
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
when I was younger, people wouldn't take me seriously and yeah as I become older people start to actually acknowledge my input and thoughts
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
another one… There's no such thing as "coping" its all about your self esteem and how you let others get to you in regards of age, age is meaningless unless you put the meaning in it. Those that shit on women for their age are usually young scrotes or scrotes who probably can't get young women to fuck them.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
As cliche as it sounds… just be yourself, stop caring for what others think, learn to love yourself. who cares if some rando scrote has a certain opinion on you, unless he pays your bills pay them no mind… Age means nothing my dear nonny it only has meaning if you keep giving it importance, I mean look at madonna she is old and she is such a stacy fucking men 20 years younger than her and do you think she gives a fuck about her age? I dont think so…
All and all stop listening to scrotes and their shit for brains advice.
No. 173193
>>173179I thought primark nightwear is cute though!
Can you browse on the f21 website and judge it for me based on my age?
I’m OP so not a kinkster/weeb (same shit).
No. 173200
>>173193I wore their disney pjs all throughout my twenties tho, it's only in my 30s that I stopped wanting stuff like disney characters. Nightwear doesn't matter that much though. I think the last pair of PJs I bought still had cartoon coffee cups on them so lol
I feel like you'll know when you 'age out' of stuff purely because it'll stop appealing to you anyway. I'd pay more attention to that than any rules another person dictates to you.
No. 173646
>>173176It's not about where you buy your clothes, it's about the final presentation. Shopping in "younger" stores may be limiting the older you get because of trends in clothing cuts (think crop tops) but if you find pieces that work on your body, who cares where you found them? My issue with stores geared towards older women is everything is longer/boxer so I almost always use those stores for winter cloths but sub dresses, skirts and shirts for summer from younger-targeted brands. Honestly, the only women I know who shit on other women for shopping in perceived "youth" stores look like grandmas and have a shit self-esteem that no amount of deep red lipsticks and exquisite/expensive notes in their grandma perfumes can help them deal with.
It's not worth it to limit your options because Sally 50 Filters is judging you while hiding she's aging.
No. 176165
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Early 20s here. I am not looking forward to turning 25, even if it's a few years away, and I feel self-conscious about it - I will have to nitpick everything I do and wear and make sure it's appropriate for my age. When you are young, you are not concerned with this, you can dress cute or eccentric and it's okay because you have fun. Later on, anything other than neutrals is unacceptable. It's not a big deal, because I like wearing black and white, but colorful nails/makeup are out, as well as some accessories.
I despise this way of thinking because it takes me back to middle school. I have been teased and nitpicked to death. It was less about clothes and more about who I was, but my point still stands, I don't like to be put under the radar. It annoys me that I will have to embrace this mentality and judge myself like that, or else other people will. I am going to miss the freedom I have right now.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the cutoff for youth is 25, but 25-30 is the transition phase between young woman and old hag proper lady.
No. 176168
>>176165When you hit 25 you're going to realize that there's no such thing as being too old for certain clothes or hobbies or whatnot. There is no cutoff point to having fun or enjoying things you like. You're also going to realize that 30 year olds are still young.
T. 28 year old who still cosplays and dresses in lolita and literally no one has ever said anything about my age or judged me for it.
No. 176170
>>176165>25-30 is the transition phase between young woman and proper lady.That's a mindset you choose to have anon.
I swear I never knew women had such a complex about turning 25 until I started browsing here regularly. And I'm sitting where thinking, what are you anons blabbing about? I'm turning 25 in a few months and knowing that hasn't impacted how I dress or what I do in the slightest. All I can think is that I'm young and have got the money and confidence to do whatever I want and dress however I want. I don't even mean this "Defy society's expectations!!" kind of way, your concerns are, sorry, so foreign and surrealistic to me, I'm pretty sure you're bringing them onto you yourself. So you're going to be 25, you're going to be 30, yes, so? You're not suddenly turning to dust at age 30, no one's denying you fun.
No. 176171
>>176165Can't wait til you hit 25 (and 30, and 35, etc etc) and realize you look and feel no different to early 20s except you're slightly less retarded and will care much less about all the nonsense you just typed out.
Seriously though, shut up and get some perspective. Every time a woman whinges about her fear of aging, a younger girl sees it and develops a fear of her own, and the cycle of insecure, whiny dumbassery continues. Can't wear colourful nail polish past 25, pleaseeee lmao
No. 176192
It can sound really weird, but when I was a child, I thought that women peaked at 30. Why because it's about the age women have their first child there, and for child me, motherhood meant maturity and respectability, in the way that you have to obey to your parents, and other adults of the family.
I remember sawing an ad about some anti aging skincare, targeted at women at 30, and i didn't really understand : are women old at 30 ? are young mothers old ? For me, old women were grandmas, not energetic young mums that are active all day long.
I feel like this pressure is really induced by the beauty industry, and every part of the economy that make money off women insecurities (like """"feminine""" newspapers for instance). And there is the obvious incel scrotes with their wall myth, as discussed earlier.
No. 176198
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>>176197Sorry forgot pic, heres a good example
No. 176580
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>>160762> Men who aren’t incels or immature tend to date within their age range. A well rounded, self assured man will feel more comfortable dating someone with whom he has things in common with and matches his maturity level - someone in his age group.it's natural no need to be so bitter about it.
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 183051
>>183048I’m the anon you replied to, and this fear of aging and being seen as lacking value because of it… genuinely, it’s destroying my life, and I’ve been so ashamed to be over 25, I don’t go out anymore or take selfies. I’m not even sure I’ve physically aged much, but I can’t shake the shame.
If I had any girl friends my age, even just online, I think it’d help. But I struggle heavy with bipolar disorder, so I’m mostly isolated in my life apart from the men who want to fuck me.
Sometimes I really do consider pouring battery acid all over myself or something, just so that I can finally live happily without minding my appearance so much
No. 183054
>>183053This is good advice, but the thing is… I’m my own worse critic. Nobody is judging me. And I’ve cut myself off from almost all social media and image boards because seeing young girls with their entire youth ahead of them seriously
triggers me. I want to shake them and make them understand how temporary it truly is. How quickly it passes. I dissect their faces in my head and imagine how they’ll age, how quickly, and who will still be desirable past 30. It’s sick. I project this fucked up fear everywhere
My long term boyfriend thinks I’m beautiful. I’m not even looking for male attention, but the prospect of being alone in the future and undesirable due to age is nightmare fuel. Maybe because I don’t have any friendships outside of romantic involvements, and haven’t since I was a teen
No. 183064
>>183063I do lament not experimenting with guys more or going out with friends in my early 20s. I’ve only been with 3 men in my life. I’ve never casually hooked up or experimented. Perhaps that is part of it
But it’s comments like this, however well intentioned, that really perpetuate this cycle of shame due to aging. I’m 26, but my prime is over? When I was a kid, I thought an adults prime was 20-40. More and more, society insinuates a woman’s prime is 18-25, once you’re a Christmas Cake (25) your prime is up. It sucks.
No. 183068
>>183065Nah, no need to sage here, why would you? I mean, you’re contributing to the subject of this thread.
Btw, I turn 26 this year and I feel the same way as you do, even though I partied a lot in my early 20s, had friends (pre-covid) and have had sex with around 15 people. I feel like my youth has been wasted to mental illness and bad choices. I started working at 16, never went to college, don't have a driver's license and the only thing I used to have going for me was my looks. Now I have to do take my driver's license and finish my country's equivalent to a full high school diploma and will not go to university until I'm 29 or 30. All this stuff my peers already did almost 10 years ago. All the while, my looks will fade as well.
I know that I should be in the moment and not take life too seriously but I feel like I failed at everything and soon I'll not even be young and cute enough anymore for other people to at least be nice about it.
I know that this is all my fault and that I should get over it and try my best to do better but I'm scared.
No. 183076
>>183070Have YOU considered suicide sis? Did your ugly, bitter ass really come to this thread to harass woman who are being open and vulnerable about their fears and thought processes?
Nobody here even said they peaked on highschool. You sound so
triggered by the discourse here. Did the pretty girls pick on you in school?
No. 183077
>>183068I really appreciate this, and we sound really similar apart from my not having much of a social life. It’s nice to know I’m not alone in feeling this way, at least.
I’m also about to re-enroll in school, and when compared to my peers I feel so fucking behind. It really adds to the stress of growing older. I wish I had thought of my future more rather than putting so much focus on just being “a hot chick” as if that’d carry me through life.
Once you hit 25 and the brain gets all fully formed and shit, all of these horrible truths start to really set in
No. 183078
>>183076My ass isn't ugly anymore thankfully, but my comment sure seems to have struck a chord with you to get you that mad.
If you're this offended by me suggesting suicide, that means you clearly know that life doesn't end when you stop being fuckable. So why do you keep whining about your "looks fading" all the time? Get a hobby and talk to a professional. Like
>>183074 mentioned, how do you think girls who have never been beautiful cope in life? You sound pretty pathetic.
No. 183086
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>>183084>24>no wrinklesSeriously, nonnies, where the fuck are you people coming from? Who the hell thinks they're going to be wrinkly by 24? I'm 28 and I feel like some anons here imagine me looking as a 40 year old woman based on posts like these.
No. 183088
>>183086Maybe I’m too obsessive about it. But I noticed girls around me getting wrinkles and fine lines around 16 (just small ones obviously), so around then I double down on my skincare and doing everything to slow aging.
By wrinkles I don’t mean thick wrinkles, even small ones.
No. 183089
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>>160656I try to take it as it comes.
I've always felt old-looking, partly because of my resting bitch
existence and subpar skincare in my early teens (these days I know what to do, and I look relatively healthy for how much stress I'm under). I have always been scrutinized for 'not dressing/acting my age' despite being the exact age where it's appropriate to try or do xyz. Always had my laugh lines ever since 12, I'm 25 now and will still probably have regular acne for another 10 years.
Big thing for me has been the ability to admit to myself that it hurts and that I care, while getting better at letting it go and not giving a fuck.
I think a part of the overall societal attitude towards women's aging is simply due to ageism, amalgamated with sexism. Age is generally associated with sickness, ungracefulness and degradation, which in turn means that people assume aging is the same as becoming ugly - this leads to people calling any unconventional looking woman, old looking, even though they are just what they are: unconventional, perhaps blunt, strong or severe-looking. So really, the word 'old' being assigned to anything visual that doesn't give hte good chemicalz to the viewers brains is just bs. The only reason women care about pp hard is that it's been memed into an inflated importance, depsite dick being abundant and worthless.
People who throw around insults regarding women's aging or looks don't really do it out of understanding what they're talking about or even their own thought processes really, so learning to not take them seriously is liberating. Being discriminated against, however, is a very real issue and that's where we need better public conversation.
To repair yourself, be in tune with your negative feelings and build on your self-soothing skills. Toughen up outside, stay true and alive inside (easier said than done, and sounds like a platitude). If you have skin conditions (like acne or rosacea, or a very difficult combo skin etc.), don't punish yourself mentally for having them, just focus on one thing at a time to lessen the symptoms that cause the most discomfort. For my dry skin, acne really physically hurts, so I have prioritized skin health over trying to chase elusive 'beauty' goals set by people who fail to understand. Beauty can be a side effect of good momentum, not just a tangible form of perfection. Keeping women in a bad headspace about completely mundane things is profitable to the men at the top of this society, but what's truly beneficial to the rest of us losers, is not to baited into wasting time playing a dumb game where even the supposed winner is clowned on.
Your responsibility shouldn't be to fix the society by fixing your attitude. That's utterly unrealistic and sets you up for even deeper exploitation.
Fix your attitude for yourself and your own betterment. Become stronger for yourself and the likes of yourself. It still hurts when people discriminate against you, but at the very least you'll be able to resist their pathetic attempts to pour their own insecurities and
toxic waste into your being. People will try to force you into caring about pp hard, but don't be fooled, they only do so because they don't know any better.
Yall can do this. It's ok to be ok and it's gonna be ok.
No. 183096
>>183090Put down the booze
>>183095Right? Fucking kek
No. 183099
>>183092I think gaining will make me look better too. I had too much baby fat (not due to being a fatty either). My face has slimmed out very well and my mum has a great facial structure so it’ll look even better as I age more.
There was no way of phrasing my post without sounding cocky tbh, so I get it.
Also take a look at this girl called Xenia Tchoumi. She’s 34 or something and still looks 18. Still had that baby face look. Some people just age well.
No. 183121
>>183108This is my issue. I don't care about being fuckable or looking good for men, but after a while people start to throw you really demeaning backhanded compliments based only on your age, as if you're not a person after 25.
This whole thread has people crying how they'll be decrepit old women at 26, I was 26 several years ago, does that mean I'm a worthless old granny who doesn't deserve respect now? I was told several times by some kids that they wish they looked this good 'at my age', as if it's such a shock to look good in your late twenties.
If you get fat at my age, suddenly you're not just a fatty who should lose weight, your 'age caught up to you' and that's why you're fat.
Just look at the absolute mental illness that is
>>183054, do you think that person doesn't think less of older women? And she's not the only one with that mindset that I've seen. I don't care what men think about me but it hurts when other grown women constantly talk about how they'd hate it if they were like you. I look and feel good about myself but hate people obsessing over the number of years I've been alive, as if I needed one more thing to be ashamed about.
No. 183127
>>183121I’m “absolute mental illness”. I don’t think less of them. I especially don’t think less of older women. Noticing age is something I can’t stop because yes, I’m struggling with it on a personal level. I’m terrified of it.
But I don’t think less of women who have aged, or hope that other women age poorly. It just makes me sad is all. It’s sad to see society toss women away at the same ages as their male counterparts just because women are supposed to cling desperately to looking as young as possible
Side note - anyone else notice this seems to be a recent thing? The whole “wall” being 25. Some of the sexiest actresses in the older movies I enjoy are 30-40, not in their 20s.
No. 183132
>>183127It's certainly not new, women have been shamed for not "being picked" in their early 20's, because no one's gonna marry a woman aging out of "girlhood". Of course in reality people did marry and remarry
>>183128 at different ages, just as today, but it doesn't change the big social narrative. Hollywood is it's own can of worms where women play roles of young women up until their late 30's and then suddenly only get casted for "mother" roles once they don't look 20 anymore. Men will beat their dick for "barely legal" and "teen" porn actresses that are near 30 in reality, but they're none the wiser often.
Now I think it's growing in reaction to women becoming more and more independent and trying to scare them back into marrying young and become background character's in men's lives, or feel bad about themselves. The whole "christmas cake" (being unwanted over 25) narrative is rampant in Japan where there's the most misogyny towards women entering the work force even though it's barely comprehensible in the West and marrying in your late twenties is not rare or weird at all with millenials.
Of course agism isn't only tied to heterosexual relationships, but like most female beauty and behavioral standards, it's deeply rooted in it.
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Men own Hollywood so they push the meme of older men being attractive and younger women being the only ones enjoying life, but irl hot older men are a minority, women chasing older men are also a minority, most women prefer partners within like 4 years age gap and that's the wast majority of relationships, marriages with 1-3 years age gap are also at a much smaller risk of divorce than those with 10+ years age gap. But as I said, the movie and tv industry belong to men and they want to fuck young women. Look how many actors in their 40s, 50s or even 60s still have successful careers with many roles and compare it with actresses under the same age bracket? And how many sitcoms have this combo of an ugly, sometimes older, husband with an attractive wife. People watch this shit and internalize it. So that's one side of it.
https://womenandhollywood.com/study-how-much-older-are-male-leads-in-romantic-films-than-their-female-co-stars-43ddef908f19/Back in the day people married early and had kids early. Most of them didn't have any choice really. For the majority of human history men also had way more things to do than women, whose main "purpose" was to give birth to kids and take care of the house. I think that this is still something that many men unironically want but they know they can't have it since women can go to college and have careers and shit, and even if a woman wants to be a barefoot trad waifu, the economy doesn't allow most families to survive on just one income. But men know that women have a smaller than men time frame when it comes to conceiving children, so they exploit the shit out of it (eggcel memes etc.). You can't change the fact that this world, which is mostly controlled by men, sees the value of women in their looks and youth, which indicates fertility. Most men don't really care about your status, because historically males were the ones to "provide", women care more about things like financial stability and status of their partner (even if there's a natural compotent to it, women should not be taught not to provide for themselves, since your man can always die, leave or be
abusive and you have to be able to take care of yourself). It's really retarded with humans. In nature, most females provide for themselves, and many also naturally provide for their offspring without any help from the male.
You can't change men. The only thing you can change is your own outlook. Learning to find value in something else than male perception.
No. 183135
>>183133That’s hilarious. Idk. I know a lot of who are in their 30s men who work around younger women in their early 20s and they all say the 20-somethings are all childish.
But then again, I don’t hang out with creeps.
No. 183136
>>183121> but after a while people start to throw you really demeaning backhanded compliments based only on your age, as if you're not a person after 25. That's my main issue with aging. It's like there's a consensus on when you should retire as a mom and maybe do some boring office work in between.
I wouldn't really care if this was only apparent in the dating scene as scrotes don't interest me at all, but I hate that ageism is rampant in the workplace too.
>>183135> Idk. I know a lot of who are in their 30s men who work around younger women in their early 20s and they all say the 20-somethings are all childish. Of course they say that. Imagine they said what they actually thought. They're not dumb, not that much anyway.
No. 183141
>>183133If someone posts this shit again I’m gonna kill em myself. This has been talked about endlessly. It was also not an accurate study based on the subjects and setting. Research this more before you start posting it here like the absolute truth. Jesus this shit is
toxic and just false
No. 183152
>>183143—-→
>>183089 >>176192
>>175217 >>175196
>>169876 >>169705
>>163412 >>161116 etc.
No. 183154
>>183144Nayrt but lmao I can't believe people actually believe this myth spread by incels and coomers. Most men prefer women in their own age range.
>B-but muh porn statisticsDo you really want to be with a pornsick degenerate? Come on sis, have some standards.
No. 183214
>>183064Ayrt and I don't consider 26 a woman's prime by any means I was contextualising based off your perception that your life is over at 26. I'm 30. I've had periods where I've had a solid friend group and periods where I've been left to my own devices more which honestly is when you grow.
You never mentioned if your boyfriend has a friend group you could be welcomed into. You also say he's long term, so I'd assume a couple of years. Maybe you know you don't want to spend your future with him and want to see who else is out there? You could look into activities where you could meet others too, or if you work see if coworkers want to have a day out
No. 184443
>>183051>>183054I'm drunk af so can't remember which anons I'm replying to here but SAME ur not alone
This thread makes me want to kms honestly. I need to find a purpose in life that isn't affected by scrotes being attracted to me ASAP. I'm 21 & currently define myself by my worth to my bf especially (he's a lot older & we met when I was 18) but my social anxiety makes it hard to find a job that I care aboutor any meaningful friendships. Fuck.
No. 184505
>>184500people perceive smile lines as being wrinkles but literally everyone has them, smile lines and dimples aren't wrinkles. also, eye wrinkles are common in some people from childhood, not crows feet, but very teeny eye lines. people don't look like filters irl, I know it's shocking to some namely zoomers who grew up in this heavily shooped culture and can't tell that there's a real human underneath that smoothing filter
take a look at pictures from the 80s-00s before everyone was getting crazy plastic surgery, before filters were popularized, and hell take a look at press pictures of surgerized celebrities now and see how much different they look compared to their heavily altered online posts
seeing anons comment on Billie Eilish like she looks 30 in the celebricows thread because she has eye lines and deep set eyes makes me want to throttle someone tbh, she doesn't even look old or ugly
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I often feel like I live in a completely different universe from other farmers when people are talking about aging. I’m 27 and I’ve essentially never worried about being old, and it has nothing to do with an increased sense of financial/emotional fulfillment (although those things are nice too). In a purely appearance-based sense, I don’t feel like most women hit their peak until they’re in their late 20’s.
That’s why I’m super confused by people agonizing over the prospect of turning 25. The most popular hollywood actresses tend to be 25 at the young end (zendaya and anya taylor-joy, currently), with most falling somewhere in the 26-36 range. When I was in school every guy was obsessed with scarlett johansson, who was 30 at the time. Where do these lolcow users get their super warped perceptions of aging from? Since their views on age are more extreme than those held by literal Hollywood producers and normal moids, I have to assume this is some weird terminally online incel shit.
Growing up, I wanted to be just like the characters in seinfeld and in the movies that my parents were watching. As such, I’m excited to finally enter the part of my life where I get to be relatively wealthy, stylish, and sophisticated, a la 13 going on 30. I thought that’s what everyone wanted?
No. 210936
>>210896Same, also 30. I can't pretend I never feel insecure, and yeah, when I first see real signs of aging, I bet I'm going to have a bad day or two. I resent how common nipping and tucking everything away is now. But at the same time, I feel so much better now than at 25, 27, 22, 20. Once you grow up and you have real, adult control over your life and build a sense of strength and resilience, you have access to a new kind of self esteem. I think that's a little difficult for kids/teens/young adults to conceive of, because it just can't really happen until you're the right age – all you've got is your looks until then, when you're female. But one day, hopefully, you'll have a lot more.
I'm old enough now that my peers are the 30+ men I remember from being a teen/college girl, who want to fuck zoomers instead of me. I am living that nightmare scenario, I guess: I am too old for lots of men to want to fuck me. But 1. they're shit, who cares, and 2. I am a lot more invested in learning about gardening, taking my first steps into investing, and exploring all the freedom real adulthood brings.
No. 210961
>>210936Maybe you're just ugly or aged poorly. My mother is hitting 45 and she gets more attention than I do being 25 years younger than she is.
She gets dates with attractive and fit guys who aren't even balding yet. She even managed to get a boyfriend two years ago and they're doing well.
No. 210981
>>210980NTA but did you consider anon mostly wanted to play devils advocate with a post that reinforces every dumb zoomer's fear of becoming an unfuckable post wall hag at 30?
It was a mean suggestion, sure, but shit like
>my peers are the 30+ men I remember from being a teen/college girl, who want to fuck zoomers instead of me.>I am too old for lots of men to want to fuck me.sure af could use some contradiction from anyone with a different experience in life
No. 211007
>>210996Huh, that's so stupid. Aren't most people around your age once they start studying for their master's degree? I'm a master's student too and I'd say the average age here is maybe 23 or 24. It's definitely more common to come across someone in their late 20s than someone who's 21.
I feel for you though, being surrounded by scrotes dumb enough to fall for some ego meme and treat others like shit because of it.
No. 211021
>>210981That's a decent point. Well, to clarify what I meant: I don't literally mean 0 men want to fuck me. As a woman with a public facing job, I am constantly aware that there are men who want to fuck me. I also have a pretty active sex life, with a man who wants to fuck me. What I mean is that I can now identify the subset of men who are now my peers that will not fuck women over 25. This is a group with a lot of social presence – plenty of famous guys like Di Caprio, etc, not fucking over 25. I'm finally old enough that I'm too old for guys who aren't pedos (not that we don't have a lot of cultural acceptance for guys who are pedos, but you know). And knowing this doesn't destroy me like I worried it would when I was 20, and these guys were hitting on me. They always disgusted me, but male validation is still something we all grow up wanting, and I was faintly afraid, as I'd bet a lot of girls on this thread are, that I'd feel gross after crossing their line of unfuckability. But I don't, because I've learned there's a lot more to life.
No. 211022
>>211021same anon
…but also, if what you walk away from my post feeling is a desire to be assured that men will still want to fuck you when you're 30, do some work on yourself. Confront that worst-case scenario you're terrified to look at: Men, en masse, not wanting to fuck you. One day, if you are lucky, you will be old enough that it will happen. You will still be a worthwhile person. Don't live your life in fear of that moment.
No. 211047
>>211034This is such a key question. What do you want out of life, anon? It's okay not to have much of an idea yet, but there has to be something that has nothing to do with what men want you to look like. As you become more and more invested in what
you want (and learn that there aren't expiration dates to these things), you'll feel less freaked out aging. You aren't running out of time – you're at the very beginning. The vast majority of the best things to ever happen to you haven't happened yet!
No. 211083
>>211025Nonnie, getting older rocks. I’m 30 and so much happier than I was in my 20s. I look arguably better than I did at 20 because I figured out how to manage my health and wellness in general….(losing some of the chubby cheek facial fat pulled it’s weight too.) Drink your water, get some exercise, don’t drink too much alcohol, and take care of your skin within reason.
Life doesn’t stop at 23. Being established and stable rocks and you realllly stop giving a fuck. I am enjoying aging and look forward to being a zen childfree grandma.
I still understand your anxiety though. As others have pointed out this is a function of cultural and internal misogyny. But don’t forget men need us far more than we need them.
No. 211106
>>211091I started feeling this way around 2010 when age was attached to online identity. I compared myself to every hotshot artist my age who was going to go to art school and get hired by Pixar or whatever. I wonder where they all are now.
I feel grateful that I have my whole life to improve my craft and learn new skills. I worry that my friends will leave me when we get old, though. They'll get married and fuck off. Already happening with my 22 y/o engaged college roommate - she doesn't even want to call.
No. 211110
>>211106I feel you
nonny, every time I see an artist on insta or twitter they have their age in their bio and I see their amazing art and I feel like shit because they are younger than me and more talented.
No. 211168
>>211103That's awful. Climate/environment education should have been focused on being a good steward to the environment rather than the kind of nuclear doomsday messaging gen X received. Maybe then there'd even be fewer kids insisting that they need to buy crap off of aliexpress/amazon/taobao every week to make themselves happy.
>>211106>I compared myself to every hotshot artist my age who was going to go to art school and get hired by Pixar or whatever. I wonder where they all are now.That kind of social comparison is normal, but I guess nobody ever taught those artists that talent alone is not remotely sufficient for success; for most even extremely talented people the path to landing a dream job at a place like Pixar is going to be rife with ups and downs and multiple points where it'd be easier to throw up their hands and quit. I can pretty much guarantee that, at ~22, most if not all of those hotshot artists are still struggling to even achieve some sort of career stability, if they haven't already given up entirely.
>I worry that my friends will leave me when we get old, though. They'll get married and fuck off. Already happening with my 22 y/o engaged college roommate - she doesn't even want to call.That does happen naturally over time, but there's no guarantee that you'll grow distant from all of your friends, and chances are you'll make amazing new ones as you grow older and have new experiences. Plus, even when you grow distant there's always a chance you'll reconnect. For example, my parents reconnected with friends they made when I was very young after >15 years of distance and now thick as thieves and have the disposable income to do tons of fun things together.
Your roommate is an absolute fucking moron for getting married at 22, while IN COLLEGE though. You should consider it a blessing that she cut off the relationship for you because that's a trainwreck in the making.
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One thing I love is cute characters. My fear about getting older is not being able to get away with wearing cute clothes with said characters anymore. I’ll probably start toning it down in the next few years and opt for subtle cuteness like a bag clip.
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>>183133hold on…assuming a man has their first kid at 29, and eventually turns 49, that means that their ideal partner's age is the same age as their kid? ewwww
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>>211173>skinny jeansmost of those outfits are ugly anon. I turned 30 this year and take inspiration from mori girl / French girl fashion. i think it's more about your body type and dressing in a way that flatters it than anything else when you get older
No. 211462
>>211025I think I felt the same way at 21, but you need to get over it.
1) Men don't care about youth as much as they pretend to. The truth is, they like attractive women. Age is irrelevant, as long as you're cute. Young women though are more naive and easy to trick, they won't pick up on red flags as easily. Slimy men get with younger women because that's the ONLY kind of attractive woman they can get with, as soon as a woman gets experience she picks up on his slimyness and won't give him a chance. Then they blame it on us "well I wanted a younger woman anyway".
2) Male validation is totally useless anyway. They'll treat you nicer if they thing you're cute, but they won't respect you more. Being cute gets you useless Male validation and nice treatment from Men who care zero about you as a person. There's no awards, not achievements, just attention from Men that don't care about a word that comes out of your mouth.
3) STOP. USING. TRETINOIN. It gets rid of the fat in your face. You'll have nice skin but the loss of facial fat will make you look older. Just use sunscreen and moisturizer, half of skincare products are useless at best or damaging at worst, they're just trying to capitalize on your insecurity.
No. 211474
>>211025girl I'm 25 and I still get mistaken for 17-21, aging out of your teens is not a death sentence and most people cannot tell the difference between an 18 and 27 year old female to save their lives, especially moids
I'm more mad about how I'm still immature and haven't done enough with my life rather than my appearance kek
No. 211597
>>211588that is super shitty, thanks for explaining
nonny.
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>>211478 I’m Eastern Europe/Russian and being over 30-32 is considered a dinosaur, even if ironically most Russian woman in their 30s look better then western woman in everything except personal style and dental. It’s not just America. It doesn’t matter how well you’ve aged or if you look babyish/young by nature (both get out jail cards in us) you are just “past your prime” and not interesting as a woman, luckily I see some blowback from millennials/genz but the people still dictating culture are basically men from the 80s-90x and their female counterparts that looked like goblins by 35 from alcoholism, smoking and general shitty late Soviet lifestyle (Picrel) but still feel the right the lecture women about being “ too old” to do things like being on social media or “not married” despite those women being more attractive then they were. It’s bleak
No. 213149
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
Definitely. I was a fugly duckling as a child and teenager. I had a severe overbite that my parents were told would require jaw surgery. Instead, I had years and years of braces and orthodontics and no surgery. It was camoflagued but the trauma of years with a fucked up jaw messed with me. I also had very bad acne and frizzy hair which my mother completely neglected to help teach me anything grooming related. My parents were also neglectful and resented mine and my brother's existence, so we weren't allowed any new clothes. As you can imagine, I was bullied relentlessly at home and also at school. At 21, after learning how to dress and groom and also getting heavily into fitness, I finally beame acceptable looking and had my first kiss. I lost my virginity at 21 after thinking nobody would ever be interested in me. I became conventially attractive and had romantic success. I thought I had many more years to make up for lost time being an ugly duckling social outcast. However, at age 32 I have now aged like overnight. I have crows feet and my face as kinda become gaunt. In photos I now cringe at how much older I look. I no longer pass for being in my 20s. My hair is hurtling towards being noticeably grey all over. It's hard to reconcile only really having 10 years of looking good. I thought I would be "good looking" until 40. I know this sounds very vain etc etc but my early years were full of torment and isoltaion over how I looked. I guess being grateful for the ten good years I had helps ease the pain.
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
I still play sport while most people my age have given up. In my sports teams, the other players are teenagers and early twenties. I don't get included as much. I'm also the best player on my team but never get chosen to play in the grade above.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
I guess by opting out. I live a fairly solitary life. I will remain child free and have shirked the typical expectations of marrying a scrote and having children etc by a certain age.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
I guess it happens to everyone, maybe it helps to remember that. I guess and stay out of situations and internet spheres that focus on age in an unhealthy way. Cultivate friendships and role models with well-adjusted, happy, older women.
No. 213195
>>211173Idk how old you are, but I'm a 25 year old that started regularly wearing alt fashion last year. I actually get the most compliments in gothic lolita and e-girl fits. I don't think I'm too old for any kind of clothing that doesn't have a teletubby on it, but I've seen girls here worrying that they were too old for wearing certain things as early as 20.
>>211926Is that woman really 35? She looks like my 50 something year old mom.
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>>183084No wrinkles by 24 isn't an achievement… That's like, baseline.
>>213181I'm so excited to go grey. I like grey hair a lot, I'm just worried if it ever goes well with curly.
Personally, I don't have a fear of aging. I fantasize about what I might look like older sometimes. There's something about older woman that's undeniably elegant and they always have some of the most comforting presences too. I hope I grow into that…
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I love seeing old people when they were young. It makes them look exotic and striking, even if they weren’t that good looking when they were younger. It’s also kind of an accomplishment to have lived a life as long as over 50. seeing someone in a different time and then seeing them now is just cool in a way I don’t think I can fully describe that well. I want to document myself so that my grandchildren can see. I try to take pictures of me every now and then while I’m out, wearing a nice outfit. I also don’t use filters in these picture (I’m trying to stop using them overall) I’m making a photo album of our family now, I hope it stays preserved for generations. I think getting old is a huge privilege, maybe because I’m just. 20, idunno worrying about getting old before you turn 25 is dumb and usually a symptom of having been groomed. Or spent too much time on incel spaces. Ironically caring about what men think will stress you and probably age you even more.
No. 215608
>>215478This whole i dont have wrinkles and i’m 2X is bizarre to me. I remember being 9-15 thinking your 20s are the pinnacle of youth AND control of your own life. Then suddenly the past couple of years “being older than 25” or “21” is being brought up negatively and people make fun of someone as young as 25 or 21 and its wild to me. I really think its a sign of grooming like
>>215498 said. Its sinister in nature if you ponder on it
No. 215636
>>215461I'm 23 , been working full time since I was 19 and generally been around older people than others my age. I gotta say I LOVE being out of the loop, I love not giving a shit about trends or peer pressure or pretending I like something to seem "cool"..
As I get older I feel less of a need to compete with women when it comes to beauty too.
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I just read my post from about a year ago (after turning 30) and realized I’m not much better off. Even though I got myself this awesome group of friends, and I should feel
fulfilled by that I’m still sad about being single and I’m actually getting WORSE at my job not better.
I’m really disappointed in myself.
No. 215861
>>215816It's really not.
>>215831Dw, I have good genes. Thanks for your scaremongering, though.
No. 219584
>>215870The ability to continue a vegan lifestyle despite lack of options and hate from most people is admirable - but it's not as ethical as you think it is. Read Sacred Cow.
Neither is it healthy
No. 219585
>>210843I always thought women around 25-35 looked much more beautiful than 18-25. I think I'll look better older because I'll lose the baby fat. I laugh when moids say women are prettiest when they're barely legal because I looked horrible at 18 lol.
It's less about how I look at 30 that I'm worried about, and more about the passage of time and the idea that I'll be 60 after the same amount of time.
No. 219602
>>219601I'd say for peak health meat is necessary, though a healthy vegetarian diet can be pretty good and is better than an unhealthy omnivore diet.
Veganism is so stupid I'm not even going into it
No. 219609
>>219604> zero animal products All that meat is making you lose braincells anonita, I was talking about meat. Learn to read.
Also, my comment was about this fantasy of sacrificing animals for taste being totes ethically possible uwu~ which is nonsense.
Like you have been told already, vegetarianism isn't a 21st century thing and there are plenty of people that were raised as vegetarians and are doing more than fine. So yeah, I'm going to be so "retarded" to think that I can live a healthy life as a vegetarian when I have been one for years and all my blood controls do well, I have energy and my skin looks healthy. And most importantly, with peace on my mind because at least I try to not pay for the suffering of animals
No. 219810
>>219710The fact that humans can maintain a vegetarian diet doesn't mean that it is the most optimal for them. Also primates consume animal protein either by hunting on small prey or by eating insects.
>>219609Appeal to muh culture is ridiculous, there are plenty of dumb and harmful cultural practices, the fact that they exist doesn't prove that they are good for human organism. You can choose to live a vegetard lifestyle but you should stop deluding everyone that it is just as healthy as an omnivorous one. And
>pay for the suffering of animalsis pretty rich. Can you prove that animals "suffer"? They do feel pain, of course, but do they feel "suffering" as a prolonged feeling of devastation and despair that everything could have been different? Animal ability to feel suffering is a big philosophical debate for a reason, you should avoid using such strong words to describe animals' feelings.
No. 219840
>>219746Right, now explain to me how any of those things are made better by eating animals.
>>219834Like 99% of all meat is produced in factory farms, these fantasy nice farms where animals are happy to get their throats slit exist basically only in commercials. The point of the matter is that torturing and killing things because your are too much of a fucking slob to not gargle on friend chicken is pure evil.
No. 219844
>>219840>Figures show that 70.4 percent of cows, 98.3 percent of pigs, 99.8 percent of turkeys, 98.2 percent of egg-laying hens, and over 99.9 percent of chickens raised for meat come from factory farms.data is from usa only and comes from vegan shills. Its as believable as people who claim meat only diet cured their cancer.
>>219841>slitting open a living being's throat doesn't make it more or less ok depending on the locationfarm animals arent killed by cutting their throats, they are killed by one hit to the head.
>farmers dont kill their animalsDepends on size of inventory, most small farmers still kill their own animals.
No. 219856
>>219841>slitting open a neckHave you ever seen the slaughter or animals irl at all? It doesn't sound like it
Anyway killing animals is part of the reality of nature, nature isn't humane and eating them is part of the foodchain. They're not our friends as much as you like to pretend they are.
No. 219883
>>219810Of course they suffer, idiot. Majority of farm animals are caged and chained since very young, they can't walk or even move, they are beaten, they smell the blood and hear the noises of the rest of the animals and live everyday scared only to be brutally murdered. It's an entire life of suffering for them.
>>219856>killing animals is part of the reality of nature, eating them is part of the foodchain You do know that intensive animal farming is the most unnatural shit ever right? Natural is to catch a fish if you live in the middle of nowhere or you need to farm a few animals (in the most humane conditions possible and you kill them when they're old) because due to the land you're living on it's impossible to plant.
Burgers and hotdogs aren't natural
No. 219899
>>219893>Also, if we follow your "commands" we aren't going to be able to feed not even 2/4 of the population, get realIf everyone went vegan, all agricultural soil could be reduced by 75%. Like I understand that you are clearly retarded, but animals also eat stuff. Stuff that needs to be grown. And they dont magically transform it into meat 1:1. So you need to grow more plants, and use more soil, to grow more food, to feed it to animals, to produce meat, as opposed to just eating stuff you grow. Do you get what I am saying, or should I find some picture book explaining this for you?
No. 219939
>>219916Oh it's our fault? Considering you started it and there's always some anon shitting on veganism/vegetarianism on every thread. I've seen this repeated claim on how much veganism ages you and whatever even on the celebricows thread, more than once
>>219920Yeah sure, because most meat eating people totally farm their own animals and don't live in the city. I just eat beans (not even soy) and legumes, from local farmers from my not so big city in a third world country, so fuck off. Every criticism you can point towards veganism/vegetarianism is always 100 worse when it comes to meat eating. Hypocrites
No. 219953
>>219939I literally replied to you 4 hours ago
>>219893, you have been fighting with other anons over veganism 24 hours already (which is extremely autistic) Stop derailing
No. 220018
>>220004I don't mean to join the derailing shit fest but now I'm genuinely concerned about anon's nutritional intake. Beans just give you protein and a few nutrients. There are many nutrients that are easily found in animal products, especially in fish and eggs, but it's a challenge to get enough daily intake of them in a plant based diet, like DHA and vitamin B12, and many other nutrients.
So yeah, a vegan diet is essentially a firstworlder diet cause you need to either:
>have access to vegan supplements>have access to artificially fortified vegan foods>have access to a huge variety of foods that naturally contain all the nutrients that humans needAnd with "access" I don't just mean the availability, as a fellow thridworlder I know these things can be found in my bottom tier country (maybe except vegan supplements cause most supplements sold here are definitely not vegan), but I mean financial access.
76.6% of my country's population lives off less than usd $1.2 per day. Eggs are pretty cheap, but to match the nutritional value of an egg with plant based products costs at least 10x more here. Now imagine having to feed an entire family, three times a day.
You might want to double check your nutritional intake anon cause it might be affecting your brain ngl.
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I'm halfway into my 30th year. Physically I am told I still look very young, mentally I feel more secure than younger me could have hoped. It's not always "I am a smoking hot bitch, bow to me" confidence either, it's just shrugging and accepting what I have to work with, looking at my mom and realizing that I'm looking more like her as I age in the face, but not my body (thanks for the height, dad)- and it's fine. I was never going to be a fucking knockout, but I can manage cute and keep myself cleaned up, which counts for a lot.
Losing fat is hard for me, but I already have a dedicated fiance who's into it and encourages me working out anyway, he got me into lifting.
I think being off the market also helped a lot with accepting that the cold, uncaring hand of time is never wavering in its hold.
I wish I could have an extended youth, sure, knees that do not creek are magical, but I'm still young enough to enjoy my 'hot' years, so I've kind of thrown myself into selfies and dressing up and sending fiance nsfw pics because that lady from Schitt's Creek was 100% right about how this is the body and face I'm going to look back at someday and feel fond about.
and hey if I ever DO manage to figure out what is blocking my equation when it comes to losing weight and end up getting hotter, then whoohoo!
No. 220057
>>220039>creeky knees at 30Get that checked out
>sending nudes to a moid for any reasonBad idea
These are your only flaws, carry on
No. 220093
>>220018>I don't mean to join the derailing shit fest Well then you shouldnt have.
Anyway, the reason why farm animals have B12 or DHA is because they are being fed supplements. DHA naturally exists basically only in algae and various seeds, and B12 comes from bacteria in ground, which you dont get, because you dont eat dirt anymore, and farm animals dont get, because they are also locked in a fucking cage. And nutriens, calories, arent created by animals out of nothing. Any nutritional value an egg has had to be fed to a chicken first, so the only way it could be possibly cheaper than just eating vegan is if animal agriculture is subsidized.
No. 220133
>>220093>b12 comes from bacteria in groundGod you are such a fucking retard, it is synthesized by bacteria in animal
guts, that's why fish has it too. Also it's animal bodies that synthesize DHA, they don't need supplements for it, you utter autist. Seriously your delusional arguments only prove the deficiency of vegan/vegetarian diet - it really makes people dumb.
No. 220137
>>220086I'm 28 and I feel the same as I did at 19. Can still do the same tricks like put my legs behind my neck and everything (I'm an ex-gymnast). My stamina hasn't suffered either. According to the internet, I should be in a wheelchair by now.
People who complain about these things fall into one of the following categories, always:
>malingering munchie attention whores>fat Reddit neckbeards who eat garbage, haven't seen the sun in days and are surprised when they are diagnosed with colon cancer at 30>people who had children in their early 20s because they got spooked by busybodies that they won't be able to "keep up" with their kids if they have them later, and now can't laugh without pissing themselves>AmericansI know exactly zero people in their 30s who have health issues that aren't fat and extremely unhealthy. Even chain smokers who look like walking leather couches by 25 are able to run around and go on benders just fine.
No. 220151
>>220133>it is synthesized by bacteria in animal gutsAnd also in ground. Which is how it gets in the their guts. Cows and sheep can produce it for themselves, by being fed selenium supplement, but most of other animals dont. So they are supplemented in their diet.
>Also it's animal bodies that synthesize DHARight. Except their meat and other products have only a minuscule amount of it. With exception of fish, because of their DHA rich diet. Eggs are sometimes fortified with it too.
My point being that its stupid to use the fact that vegans have to take B12 as proof that diet is somehow "unnatural", when the only reason you can get it from meat is because its being given to farm animals in the first place.
No. 220153
>>160656I’m sorry but left and right is exactly the same. Left is what you get when she wakes up lmfao.
I’m 25, old as hell, I’ll get older every year, and I’m not loving it nor hating it. Then again maybe it’s because I still look like that same 12 year old uggo kid I used to be.
No. 220164
>>220156Bad posture, bad diet, etc.
I healed every issue by fixing my diet.
No. 220180
>>220178If your knees make popping sounds I think that's normal, but if they hurt then that might be an issue
>we were all athletes or dancerswell that makes sense then lol
No. 221150
>>211462>TRETINOIN. It gets rid of the fat in your face. You'll have nice skin but the loss of facial fat will make you look older.2 months late to ask if this is true?!!
Is bakuchiol a better option?
No. 221450
>>221356Same for everything
I'm in my mid 20s, get asked if I'm over 16 at the airport. I do look very young but it's a dumb thing to be proud of, because no matter how young I look now, I'll look old at some point.
Also even if the most beautiful actresses are in their 30s-40s, one day I'll be over that age too. I need to stop caring about looks so much but I doubt I ever will.
I fear turning 30 and worrying about what I look like and hyperfocusing on how much my skin is thinning etc etc and comparing myself to my younger self.
Don't have a bf and my parents are already talking to me about needing to find someone to marry and have a family with. I don't even want kids. I feel like a child and look like a child, and I don't like being forced to do "adult" things that I don't even want for myself.
Not my fault my parents only had one kid and are now disappointed that I don't do everything they want because they didn't have a fallback kid.
No. 221499
>>221466My parents literally talk about visiting me, hanging out with my kids and then leaving when they start crying.
So what's the point then? I don't want some crying bag of snot I have to ruin my body for that I don't even want, just so my parents can coo at it once a week.
>he had vasectomy doneI'm jelly
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>>221417If it's reassuring the spine fusing actually fully remedied the agony and I prefer being crippled over that shit. I actually also tried to kill myself bc of pain so they moved up the surgery date bc of that. I also didn't eat for 2 weeks after the surgery bc I felt like shit from intubation and I think that helped my fat ass pcos issues. But don't kill yourself push to get knifed as quick as possible.
No. 221510
>>221466My ex had a vasectomy, dude was pornsick and in the end a cheat too but damn was that the one good thing about him lol, that took a weight off me for a few years
I'm avoiding dating as I don't want to face BC worries again. I've made it this far and yet I've another 2 fucking decades of this shit getting in the way of truly carefree sex. They won't snip women in my country, not unless you already have like 4 kids. Men never stop banging on about fertility and women peaking early but fuck me I'd love to believe I'm not fertile. I can't chill out and enjoy sex because I have to assume I very much am fertile.
No. 222268
>>221450Same, i'm 27 and I teach upper secondary school and people (parents and students I don't have) mistake me for a student. I get weird looks when I buy alcohol and they always ask for ID.
I thikn hitting your peak is individual as is aging, but I think women in their 30's are hot as fuck, especially when they take care of themselves and don't let themselves go with food, lack of exercise and alcohol for whatever reason (men usually).
No. 223031
>>221450I also feel like a kid or a teenager. I think part of it is that people always treat me like such, like if there is a group of adults talking I don't really feel part of it. Which sucks because it's not that I don't have an opinion or things to contribute.
Sometimes I want kids and a family, but I feel like I'm super not ready for it. Some of my old classmates already had kids in their early twenties and I can't imagine doing that. I have younger siblings and I love them, and I generally like to hang out with kids who are at least 6 but I don't want to do it full time. And I don't like babies, I'm just not good with them lol. Older kids are fun to spend time with and you can actually talk to them, but having to be around a baby 24/7 just doesn't sound good. But sometimes I see older women with a nice family and see them really care about their kids and then I feel like I want that too, I just don't know when. I guess I also feel like I'm just not good enough yet. Like your kids will depend on you and you will be really important to them, and I just don't feel worthy of that because I don't have my shit together and I don't feel like I have enough to give at this point. Though when I think about building a career for decades, I also just wonder what the point is.
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One thing I’m happy about aging is I’ve finally lost the baby fat in my face. I’m 27 and had a moon face until this past year. Now my cheekbones stand out more etc. I’m very happy about it.
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I'm 28, I was working a part time seasonal job to save up some cash this past winter and was mistaken by other people to be no more then 18. Personally I think I look well into my 20s, but it's been common for me to be read as someone in my late teens/early 20s. Honestly I wrecked my body in my 20s from drugs/alcohol, so I'm surprised I didn't age worse then I feel like I have. I just think most people are below average and we have a conflated sense of "attractiveness" from celebrity and social media culture. I consider myself mildly attractive for someone who doesn't wear makeup or try to look nice, but that's just because I have decent bone structure. I can definitely feel my age though, my body is sore and probably something is going wrong internally. I'm sure I'll hit a wall somewhere in my 30s, but as long as I keep myself fit and work on my health, I don't mind if my face starts to wrinkle and my hair grays. I'm looking forward to it. I've always wanted to just balls to the walls with not giving a fuck and become some bog looking witch lady.
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I keep thinking about this
No. 225476
>>225459I remember turning 18 and being so fucking excited to buy cigarettes, be able to vote, enter places where they served alcohol, and get my first tattoo.
What the fuck younger girls are thirsting after much older guys?
This image text reads like tradho propaganda
No. 225500
>>225459I was ecstatic to turn 20 last year.
Being a tween and teenager comprises some of the worst times of peoples’ lives, at least for people like me who are much better off independent and not living in their hometown. I’ve only been 2 years out of high school and my life has completely changed for the better, just due to the liberties that come with being an adult.
I could possibly understand this take for someone turning 50. No less.
>>225494Absolutely!
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>>225459This is such a
toxic mindset, but not surprising because shaming women for their age and the creepy obsession with teenagers/"barely legal women" is so deeply grounded in society. I actually think that many women in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s look better than men because they take better care of themselves. I share some of the fears and insecurities mentioned in this thread, but tbh being in my 30s now and planning who I want to be and how I want to look like in my 40s and 50s is kind of fun, especially because I am not as insecure as I was in my 20s and don’t care about scrote opinions anymore. I only struggle with this on apps like TikTok because Zoomers love calling others old and constantly use age/aging as an insult. I often read that being 30 is basically being ancient – and I don’t like that.
I also find it interesting to see how our perception of being/looking old has changed. I am watching the SATC sequel and the characters are around the same age or even older (54, 55) than the characters were when The Golden Girls started (47-55). I love Golden Girls, but they basically were grandmas while the girls in AJLT are really living it up. It’s wonderful that they can do that on TV and the way the show handles the topic of aging in general is great. I also saw that Jennifer Connelly will play Tom Cruise’s love interest in the new Top Gun movie which is awesome!
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I feel like "the wall" crap is honestly something only people invested in traditional power dynamics care about. Young guys 18-25 have the hardest time dating because women that age want someone older and a lot of those guys would happily date an older woman. It's WAY easier for an older woman to get a younger attractive dude than for an older scrote to get a young attractive gf. 60 year old woman who isn't fat and dresses nicely can easily date exclusively young guys. And before you say that young men are too immature, men never mature and certainly not the type who obsess over female youth.
But women refuse to date younger so they in part create their own problem. If you need every relationship to be with an older "dominant daddy" then don't be surprised if the men you seek want younger women. It's just natural part of that dynamic.
>>225540this
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Just gonna casually drop this pic of Heidi Klum (48) and her husband (32).
No. 226185
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Oh look, it's Gwen Stefani (52) with her counrty heartthrob husband (45), who is also a loving stepfather to her 3 kids.
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>>226200>>226237It's only as nasty as Lionardo von Caprio & his young gf are. At least Heidi Klum has still kept up her looks, unlike Lio.
Here's Miranda Kerr (38) & her husband (31), the youngest billionaire in the world in 2015. They married when she was a 33 yo single mother & he was 26. The wall is scrote cope.
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Alicia Keys is 41 and doesn't even wear makeup.
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>>226673I can't see anything either anon, maaaybe she has light shadow on her eyes but even about that I can't be sure. There are articles about her going makeup free and looking at this photo zoomed in I feel like there's no reason to doubt it
https://www.beautycrew.com.au/alicia-keys-no-makeup-how-to-makeup-free No. 227149
>>225311Same here. I just lost my babyface in the last year and my cheekbones look so much better, I actually love that change.
>>226871I have been getting them occasionally since I was 23, they're just brought on by external stressors like the other anon said. I just turned 26 and actually find less coming in now than I did at 24 for whatever reason.
No. 227514
>>225459the worst thing is looking back and realizing how old you thought you were when you turned these ages. Calling yourself old when you couldn't legally drink for another three years. Cue 21, and you don't feel much older or wiser. perhaps tired. I'm now in my mid twenties and I still don't know anything, honestly. It's such an aimless time of self discovery. I've experienced things, but I still feel in the grand scheme like nobody views me as a full fledged adult. hell, 35 year olds I work with see my demeanor as more childish than theirs. It's shifted my perspective as to how the world views me realizing that a lot of people, when I break outside the moid fetish bubble, perceive me as younger. Even though it feels like much of my youth was lost and spent on my wretched decisions and allowance of people using and abusing me, I'm not that old, I'm not even 30. I realize now.
For me as a late millennial to early zoomer it was always the prospect that I was going to commit suicide and never live past a certain age that made me feel "old" at 18, 21, and then 25. now I've crossed multiple thresholds of age and not ended up dead. No matter how hard I try it's like my body wants to live, and I'm finally at the age where I'm starting to see a light that's insisting that 30 won't be a death sentence either. I don't give a shit anymore.
No. 227530
>>227509It's different for different people but I wouldn't call it farfetched. I had a literal breakdown the night of my 18th birthday because of a combo of feeling like my life was going to be over and nobody would ever want me, and also feeling like now that I was a legal adult I was basically free game for even more abuse by men. By 13-16 I was definitely already terrified of no longer being a teenager. Granted, I think I was an extreme example due to grooming and all that, but I've discovered since that quite a few friends had similar feelings regarding it.
I think maybe just a couple decades ago it would have been more expected for women to start worrying about getting old in their early twenties, but around the time I hit 18 (about half a decade ago) and definitely now with the younger zoomers, even the late teenage years might as well be elderly to a lot of young girls. Working with girls in that age range and hearing about it from them was beyond depressing. I had a 16 year old beg me for my skincare routine because she wanted to look as young as I do when she hit my age. She didn't seem to understand that she didn't need to rub fancy rocks on her face to not melt into a pile of wrinkles by 23.
No. 227542
>>227500Why don’t you try watching a Nadine Labaki film? Caramel is a fun, small cozy movie about four women running a hair salon. And it addresses fear of aging as well among other problems. Nadine (picrel) was 33 when the movie was released and it was her directorial debut (I think).
>>227538There’s nothing inherently embarrassing about it, anon. OP is just anxious and insecure regarding her age (which isn’t weird btw), so she’s self-conscious about saying it despite the fact that no one thinks that much of it.
No. 227564
>>227538Nta but I've felt that way before (even before I was 18) because I felt like I was too immature for my age (and still do tbh) so I thought other people would think "wow she's X years old and acting like
that/still doesn't have a bf/job/car/social skills/hasn't done __ yet?" And because I got made fun of by a stranger a couple of times for being "too old" to buy a kid's toy even though I was 12-13 at that time.
No. 227587
>>227538>please enlighten meIve told people my age before and they've reacted with a "WOW REALLY? I thought you were (2-3 years younger) than that!" Its embarrassing when it happens nearly every time (especially at work) because it makes me wonder, is there something wrong with the way that I am? Am I supposed to be acting more mature at this point in my life? Why havent I got my shit together already?
>>227549Its funny you say this as I have a coworker who is 26 who has made it a point to call me/my age out in front of other people before. "WOW you're almost 30?? I thought you were MY age, but you're SO much older. You were born WHEN? I always forget how much older you are than me." and then I feel like a loser and in denial when I try to reply "well actually no I'm not that much older than you, honestly 26 and 29 feel so similar" Like the difference between 26 and 29 is much less than the difference between 21 and 24 right? Or 18 and 21? Or am I just coping nonnies
>>227542I will definitely watch this movie, thank you for the rec anon
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>>227587> WOW you're almost 30?? I thought you were MY age, but you're SO much older. You were born WHEN? I always forget how much older you are than me." and then I feel like a loser and in denial when I try to reply "well actually no I'm not that much older than you, honestly 26 and 29 feel so similar"She’s either being a bitch on purpose or is deluded. I understand 18 year olds being hahah 25 is so OLD! because, you know, you think that way until you turn 2 or something, but a 26 year old? Blegh. She’s insecure and taking it out on you, poor girl is setting herself up for a lot of future self-hatred.
But I do agree that it’s more weird those days, our attitudes regarding age. I think the internet and the aggressive influx of images play into that somehow. I love ABBA, but when I started listening to them my eyes had to re-adjust and shed the 21st TikTok, Instagram, and Twitter-laden aesthetics to see the girls as attractive. I remember being a bit surprised they weren’t baby-faced, that they didn’t have shiny white teeth, that they were tall and broad and sturdy. They are very fixed in time in that sense because two girls like that would never get as popular nowadays as they did back then. People just keep getting younger and younger wherever we look. It’s disorienting because youth generally isn’t that interesting.
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>>227590Once I saw it, though, I never stopped seeing it. They were (and are) absolutely gorgeous.
And who cares anon about those adult milestones? What do YOU want to do?
No. 227701
>>227687>WOW REALLY? I thought you were (2-3 years youngerThis is exactly why it's not embarrassing. Because people (especially younger people) have this idea in their head of 30 yr olds being middle aged in looks and lifestyle with a bunch of kids and wrinkles. They have no clue what we're really like, it's just an arbitrary line drawn in the sand for young/old. When they meet a 30 year old who seems young (because 30 IS young), they're surprised and think you're some trivial amount younger. Like, people think you're 28 instead of 30 and you're embarrassed of that instead of realising how retarded the very idea is…? Wtf kind of aging is gonna happen in 2 years? Why would you expect someone to be notably different at those two points in time? It's absurd.
I'm perfectly confident with my age because I know there's no meaningful difference between now and me 5 years ago, and anyone who thinks otherwise is working off dumb misconceptions. imo the real truth is that having kids is what makes someone seem older, and since 30 is the average age for having your first kid it's become the standard for 'old'.
No. 227881
>>227865Nobody said women are bullying each other you retard, women vocally bully themselves and inadvertently influence younger women to do the same.
The point is that your life doesn't end at 25 or 30 or whatever arbitrary age someone is afraid of, you don't suddenly look or feel old, you don't have to change your style or only have mature hobbies or settle down by a certain age. Yes, society is harsh on women aging, but the age women start to freak out about it is MUCH younger than it needs to be. The fear that women feel is baseless because they have no perspective of what actually is, looks or feels old, hence worrying about being post wall hags at 21. So much of it is in our heads and not an actual material reality.
No. 229987
>>227604The reverse isn't normalized because older women can actually date young men without paying money, and those young men won't be fugly. This isn't "fair" to fossilized dicks and therefore needs to be discouraged as evil cougardom by the same people who fap to MILF porn. Same idea as female promiscuously = slut and bad, male promiscuity = alpha and based. Disability accommodation.
This reminds me of how a hot 25 year old was simping for my mom (buying her shit, etc) while I was being swarmed with stingy fat shitpigs her age at 25. Thank fuck I had a good role model and therefore never had an "older men" phase kek
No. 230117
>>230102Sorry you had to go through this,
nonnie.
Old man attention would make me incredibly butthurt and insulted because in my mind it meant I was mousy or some shit, too "uncool" and immature for cute prince type boys in their teens. Ironically, most of my teenage low self esteem stemmed from getting the attention of men I perceived as too fug and unworthy, which by my drama teen logic meant I was as fug as them. I would seethe extra hard whenever I noticed that being sad or in a vulnerable mental state would instantly multiply the amount of bald, drooling autism sperm sacks by about 4, which thankfully redpilled me later - none of their attention said anything about me, they just went for whatever they thought wouldn't put up much of a fight or have any standards. I did enjoy it somewhat towards my late teens because I would just straight up roast them and their nauseatingly repulsive old flesh, then watch the last sparks of life evaporate from their dead Shayna butthole shaped eyes.
>TFW now I'm pulling the kinds of moids I actually wanted when I was a teen No. 249092
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I'm 32 and starting to notice very slight signs of aging such as my skin not being as springy anymore. Nevertheless it makes me feel like shit because I've internalized the thought of women being only good for their youthful looks and then sacrificing their whole beings to having babies and raising a family. I naturally disagree with it and want to learn out of it, but it's been hammered so deep in my head that feeling guilty for being a single woman not planning to have children is an everyday ritual.
What really grinds my gears though is the very, very short time window of stability. When you're 19-25 you're too busy studying for a degree and trying to get a career going. I spent almost my entire 20's just burying myself in work and school because I wanted to secure my future. And the age where I was financially stable and ready to enjoy life I'm supposed to accept that I only have around 3 or 4 years until I'm busted goods and should just marry and start a family before my eggs have all but rotten away.
I want to continue enjoying life, dressing in fun and cute outfits, laughing at funny pictures on the internet, making art to express myself, go out in the nature to enjoy the scenery, travel all I want, I just want to enjoy life to the fullest without this gnawing sense of guilt in the back of my head telling myself that I will die alone and forgotten if I'm not marrying and having children right now, that everyone thinks I'm an embarrassing has-been for wearing something other than mommycore, that everyone pities me for being career-oriented instead of realizing my "true calling" as a mother. Deprogramming myself from the misogynist society is a full-time job and I hope women in the future have it easier.
No. 249103
>>249092>I want to continue enjoying life, dressing in fun and cute outfits, laughing at funny pictures on the internet, making art to express myself, go out in the nature to enjoy the scenery, travel all I want, I just want to enjoy life to the fullest without this gnawing sense of guilt in the back of my head telling myself that I will die alone and forgotten if I'm not marrying and having children right now, that everyone thinks I'm an embarrassing has-been for wearing something other than mommycore, that everyone pities me for being career-oriented instead of realizing my "true calling" as a mother. Nona, don't be so hard on yourself. You can still do all of these things no matter your age. Enjoy your financial stability and free time because life has so much to offer and be grateful that you're able to live life how you want to. You don't need to prove yourself to anyone, especially not to those who see you as "busted goods" (why would you even care about people who see others in such a way?) or expect you to marry and have children becaue it's "time" for you to do so. Most people don't even live up to the standards they hold others to. Live your life and marry and have kids in 5, 10 years or not at all. Dress however you want and do whatever you want. People who judge you for it are just bitter that they can't do the same.
No. 249108
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>>249092So many nonnies on here that are insightful, hilarious, and criminally interesting, so much so that it’s a shame anyone would put so much weight on their youth or looks, especially when it’s ephemeral and when it’s the ONE thing you didn’t put effort in to build up. Everything else? You built yourself. You’re worried about what everybody thinks and that’s fine, but if it’s affecting you in any meaningful way like it is now you need to learn to shut off any external input. Because everybody has something to think and say, and at the end of the day the only standards by which you need to evaluate your life should be your own. It’ll take some effort, especially when undoing all that mess and learning to “fortify” yourself, to learn not to be swayed by what anyone thinks of you - positive or negative. Because it goes both ways.
It’s incredibly unfortunate that anons hit 30 here and start resigning themselves to shades of nude because “muh society.” When Ossie Clark was doing his best and most popular shows, he was doing clothes for women, not girls. That’s important, because the 60s silhouette was boyish, gamine, and youthful; obsessed with transient and cheap youth culture, and by the early seventies many of these models were in their early thirties. No woman before 2000 resigned herself to mommycore upon hitting her 30s. Shouldn’t the age make you feel more comfortable in your skin, more ready to wear what you like? If you’re self-assured, you won’t worry about what anyone thinks of anything. Nonna, you sound like fun, and I don’t think you should give a shit about aging, or about people’s opinions.
No. 249203
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It seems ridiculous to call myself old being in my mid/early 20's, but I was just feeling so unaccomplished the other day being a 20 something and still having the same minimum wage retail job, living at home, & having no real relationships. I feel like something should have clicked and I would have my life figured out when I turned 23. My dad made a weird comment once that by my age my mom was already married and pregnant. I don't know what he was implying but it felt like he was saying he wanted me to get my shit together.
With physically aging I'm more concerned about my body becoming decrepit. I've already seen some family members have to age in very poor shape. I know there are some health conditions that run in the family and I'm already feeling some of those in my joints. I have to remind myself to be thankful I still have a body that is in (relatively) little pain on the daily.
Lily Tomlin is a major inspiration for me as an actress that's in her late 70's onward. She just embodies an aura of freedom and not giving a shit. I'm also inspired to be like my neighbor who is in her upper 80's and still goes outside to garden every day. I hope I can live that long and live my life feeling free like that but realistically nothing but myself is holding me back from doing that now.
No. 249242
Are there any other anons here that realize that their life hasn't changed much since their late teens/early 20s? I never pursued a higher education, a solid career, still live at home with my parents in the same room I've had since I was a kid, and never had a meaningful relationship with anyone (friends/bf - and not for lack of trying). I've always had ideas of things I'd like to pursue - like being independent, living on my own, creating a small business, fitness goals, etc - but beyond small achievements throughout the years I've never actively tried to achieve more out of fear of change, fear of failure, and lack of self-confidence and low self-esteem… I'm currently at a place where I have nearly 20k saved and still want those things but I have a serious lack of drive and inspiration and it's worrying me. Time shouldn't be taken for granted yet I can't envision my own future anymore. Vid rel is also hitting me in a particular way. It's sad to admit, but I've also come to realize that I'm still very much hurt and limerently obsessed with a guy that feigned a desire for a relationship but treated me as something less. It's such a sore spot that I let him pressure me into doing things I clearly didn't want for myself, all because he made ultimatums and I didn't believe I'd find anyone else who'd be interested in me and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
No. 249264
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>>249092I'm close to your age and got three compliments on my outfit from strangers today, one from a girl in her teens, and unironically "young lady"ied by a man who was probably only a few years older than me. Idk what you'd call the style I was wearing but it was definitely a far cry from mommycore. Point being you're only as old as you let yourself feel, and especially in your 30s your looks and health are far from deteriorating. I do understand the societal pressure you bring up. Being child-free by choice the biological clock doesn't bother me, but remember you can still have children throughout your 30s, freeze your eggs, find a sperm donor or adopt if you really want a kid in your life. Relationships are always a toss-up, I've seen so many couples who were together for years then divorced and are either in bitter custody battles or struggling as single parents. Think about how lost they feel having to start over despite doing everything "right."
That's the thing though, our lives don't end whether we do or don't have kids by a certain age, whether we're married or not, not even once we've achieved personal goals we've created for ourselves. There's so much to explore and it'd be a shame to miss out just because you're worried about the opinions of people who have zero relevance in your life. Personally I think surrounding yourself with positive female role models (in reality or digitally) is helpful for rewiring the mind. Look at Avril, 37, twice divorced, no kids, fought Lyme disease, but still beautiful, wearing flashy clothes, making music, pursuing her dreams and finding a new partner. And she's far from the oldest woman to follow that path. I find the fewer fucks I give the more I repel idiots and attract people who truly appreciate me for me, regardless of age.
No. 252503
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Surprised she isn’t wearing a turtleneck and glasses and has wrinkles.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdmMCX1T/ No. 252576
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I turned 22 recently and while I know I’m not old, I had a realisation that this is it, I’m done growing and what I have now is what I’ll have forever, I’m never gonna be a Hot Young Thing and all the awkward things about me physically that my family promised puberty would iron out are just how I’m going to look for the rest of my life. I don’t consider myself a vain person but it really affected me in a way I didn’t expect. I think all this time in the back of my mind I thought “I’ll be hot eventually I’m just not done growing yet” and realising that thats never gonna happen kind of fucked with me.
No. 252585
>>249264Avril looks so good man. I know she's not old or anything but she was big 20 years ago, it's crazy how little she's changed.
I genuinely think people (mostly women, esp rich women) are just aging better these days, there's been so much progress in science based skincare and treatments and we no longer feel obligated to get a bob and dress matronly the moment we hit 30.
No. 253635
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New "wall" level just dropped (pun intended). Soon it will be so low that by the time you're old enough to even understand the concept, you'll already be past it, according to these scrotes.
No. 253640
>>253635Translation: women are becoming more and more aware of their worth and need men less and less therefore they need to keep setting the bar lower to manipulate younger women
Yikes
No. 253647
>>253635Oh to live in the alternate reality where I'm already beyond having to worry about pregnancy because sure I can just assume I'm practically infertile at my age.. guys I wish your shit was true but docs say otherwise.
Reality is we've to work on the assumption that we are fertile for roughly 40 years. I've met more women stressed out by that fact than I've met women with fertility struggles.
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>>253635lmao check this shit, they're so predictable, pathetic
No. 253660
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>>253658and he's trying to lie about it, sis really made some numbers on this incel for him to write such a thread just cause she broke up with him, she dodged a bullet
No. 253685
>>253635Lol a woman isn't even at peak fertility at 23, her best years are 25 to 35 with the most ideal age being around 30. The delusion.
>>253660Lmao
No. 253689
>>253685Alot of women report their mid thirties as being the age their sex drive peaks aswell as being the most satifying years sexually. I'm not quite there yet but I'm feeling it. I remember googling it lately and being bombarded with all this info female sexuality in your thirties. Had no clue before that. Welcome to the horny years.
The age men apparently 'desired me most' were the same years I could barely enjoy sex out of lack of experience and lack of ability to speak up and ask for what I want. I look back on those sexual experiences and it was nowhere near even the one percent risk of pregnancy attached. It's sad that some men want to forever sexualize an age where women are often having sex for validation or pleasing the other person more so than ever considering their own pleasure.. and they want to tell women at their actual peak of sexual drive that they're soo undesirable because what all men really want is… sex for procreation? Yeah sure kek. They want 'young and dumb and giving' They want one sided sexual experiences with easily molded young women and they want to knock you up to trap you because they know they NEED to trap you.
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>>253702Gore ladies heads up
No. 253748
>>253702My parents had me at 40. They spent years trying to conceive my brother and then when he was 5 they had a surprise baby they weren't trying for. Fertility is never as black and white as online scrotes like to paint it to be. Sometimes actively trying is what stresses people out and prevents the pregnancy cruelly enough.
One honest downside though is I lost a parent when I was only in my early twenties. I've seen men say that god blesses them with the ability to procreate til they die of old age so it must be a good idea… I just wish men would accept the reality that similar rules apply on both sides. Autism rates are high in underage pregnancies and also in 40 somethings. Your twenties and thirties are on paper the safest decades and your mid forties is a grey area with complications increasing, for both sexes. Men want to live in lala land where sperm is eternally good and eggs have like 5 good years. It's such a cope to have to go to extremes like that to hopefully scare some women into settling for their asses while still young.
And more women are deciding they just don't want kids so they better get to work on making up a new scare tactic.
No. 257003
>>183092I actually think my face losing fat and doing typical aging things is making me look better. I'm the original anon from
>>183084 and I'm almost 26. I'm still babyfaced and people think I'm 17, but my face is obviously changing and is leaner. I love it. It looks more elegant. I genuinely think I'll look better at 30-35 than I ever did at 18-23 or whenever our stereotypical "peak" is.
Idk, I'm less worried about aging a year on from my original post. I don't want kids so I don't care about "hitting the wall" or finding a man young. I've also had some health scares and it made me care more about experiences and family over looking youthful forever.
No. 258771
>>252576I looked horrible as teenager and I didn't start looking better until 21. You take care of yourself, you'll for sure be better looking than you were in your teens and early childhood.
A lot of factors play into like learning to dress better, investing in skincare, learning how to style your hair, etc. Don't buy into it, most people look same if not better in their mid 20s to late 30s.
No. 258784
>>258783Congrats on the baby, I can't imagine being pregnant at 26, I need at last another decade, though I will feel jealous that by then some people have 10 year olds and I'm dealing with a screaming toddler in my 30s.
I feel the discord thing. It's a bit wtf when someone 14 or something joins.
No. 258844
>>252576i kinda felt this way at 22, mostly because i had been obese until 19, and even when i lost the weight and thought i was as 'hot' as i was ever gonna get i still had some loose skin and looked heavier than i would have if id never been overweight. i really felt like id missed/ruined my chances at ever looking like an actual
womanly woman.
5 years later i have none of the same worries. im about 15lbs up from my lowest weight (because maybe a grown adult
shouldnt weigh under 100lbs, who'd have thought?) and i feel more comfortable with myself than i ever had before. i used to be so worried i was going to skip my 'morticia addams' phase and go straight from wednesday to grandma but the reality is you are NOT done growing and changing at any point in your life really. and plenty of celebs and whatnot look much better at 30 than 18.
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Shamelessly taken from Reddit but, is this not the ideal scenario in the older years? And it’s more realistic than hitting the wall.
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>>262835And this is the original post the comment was responding to. Still on theme with the thread. Attraction and flirtation can exist in the older years if you’re confident and have the right attitude.
No. 262861
>>262843 >birth defect skyrocketThis is more than a bit dramatic. There's an increase but in terms of autism it's not a skyrocketing of rates like people often claim. There's a steady increase in all those rates and both parents ages play a role. Again.. it's steady. Teens are at inceased risk too weirdly enough. Older men with much younger women have an increase and they don't know if the age gap itself plays a role or why that happens. There's some golden years with the least amount of risk on paper but.. you also have to have kids when you feel ready to have them. People have to weigh up those factors too. Scaring women with claims of 'rocketing birth defect rates' is some weird shit to be doing on this thread of all threads lol
>Why do older men have higher odds of fathering children with autism? The most prominent hypothesis is that the sperm of older men has accumulated many spontaneous mutations that the men pass along to their children. >Sperm divide more often than egg cells do. With each division, a cell’s DNA is copied, presenting an opportunity for mutations to occur. One study in Iceland showed that spontaneous, or de novo, mutations accumulate more rapidly in men than in women. Another study in the same country suggested that with each passing year, a man transmits an average of two more of these mutations to his child. >Some studies have suggested that a woman’s chance of having a child with autism also increases steadily with age. The number of de novo mutations in egg cells increases with age, although to a lesser degree than it does in sperm.It's worth looking into the stats but rates don't shoot up by your mid thirties. As long as the father isn't a much older man.. it's not that dramatic.
No. 271332
>>271296>young adults are getting pushed into fear of adulthoodIt's more expensive to live and more difficult to be an "adult" now. At 25-26 you're just starting to make alright money and experiencing fun and freedom to spend it. Why would you then go and ruin all that with a child?
>Women are told kids will ruin their career and bodythey will
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>>271296Right because it's sooo evolutionarily advantageous to limit our 'most fertile years' to… literally a 2 year period lmao. Women can and historically always had kids late, it's just that their first child wasn't in their late 30s and it was more like their 10th.
Anyway everyone has different risk tolerances, if you prioritize lowering the risk of fertility problems by getting pregnant on a very specific timeline then fine. I just hope you have the same energy to lecture and judge moids who think they can marry a 20 year old in their 40s and expect no issues.
No. 271453
>>271270> No one wants to try to start their own life and have to worry about what nursing home their parents need to go toThe average age of a nursing home resident is in their 80s. Even if someone had a kid exactly at the ancient age of 40, that means they’d be headed into a nursing home when their kid themselves is also exactly 40. That’s perfectly normal. Your late 30s and onward is when your parents start to get elderly and need care.
That’s also just an average anyway. Your parents could die when you’re a child. Your parents could have medical issues young and need care in their 50s or 60s. It’s a gamble. That’s life.
No. 271474
>>271472he would suck my tits and go "mmm milk". fucking idiot. the shit I used to do for a hot man, disgusting.
his mom was a normal age (55 yo when he was 25), it was his dad (80 years old kek). it's like it primed him to accept these weird relationships.
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I plan to cope with becoming a babushka by having children and living vicariously through them.
I can't decide if I should have a single one to avoid splitting the inheritance or if I should have ten because big brained kids are likely to do okay on their own. Maybe I will have two or three.
>>271404I think living a middle class life on a low budget is still possible in parts of the country. The Midwest is cheap, the public schools are okay, thrift shop clothes are often in good condition and books can be pirated.
No. 292211
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>>271403Reminder that anyone that is trying to argue otherwise is probably some variety of trad wife that is subtly trying to encourage women to be trapped when they're still extremely young and without any support networks.
There are 100s of different factors that influence the viability of a child–some that easily has a greater, more linear effect on a child's outcomes and health than, say, being 20 as opposed to 29 when having a child. The physiological reality being focused on (again in spite of it also applying to men) is because of misogyny and the fact that most men are incapable of loving women for their soul, nor caring about most things that would contribute to a healthy, intelligent child.
No. 292250
>>292211This is what’s most evil about encouraging the tardwife lifestyle. It’s rooted in pedophilia and fetishization of youth and virginity.
So they’re encouraging girls to get married off at 16-18 and pop out babies by 20. To become ‘property’ of their husband and gift themselves to him, to rely on him financially and emotionally.
We already know scrotes are completely incapable of genuine monogamy, are shit at emotional support and inevitably abuse any power they’re given, so the risk of a woman being cheated on by her scrote is very high. A tardhusband’s penchant for younger girls never goes away as his wife ages and her body becomes increasingly racked with the trauma of pregnancy and childbirth, and the fact she has no financial independence also traps her.
It’s no wonder many of these women either end up deeply neurotic and depressed and trapped in a loveless marriage which they take out on the kids because they’re afraid of confronting their breadwinner. The price of being a pickme. Or, if they have any self respect, they divorce the dude and still end up single moms. I remember browsing Christian mingle and it was full of Mormon women in their early to mid twenties who were divorced single moms looking for a new father for their kids. It was very depressing. And of course moids of a species are so egotistical and paranoid about preserving their own genes, they have a primitive competitive contempt for the offspring of another man, which heightens the risk of abuse, and makes it way harder for single mothers to find a quality new partner.
It’s just a horrible deeply flawed system rooted in patriarchal insecurity where the only winner is the moid.
No. 297761
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Just came across this woman, she has multiple articles on herself about how she shocks the internet "looking like she's in her 20 even though she's 30" and… holy shit, seriously, what people think 30 year olds look like? I'm 30 myself, a lot of my friends are around this age too, she doesn't really look younger than most of us; it all really depends on a bone structure and facial features.
She does all this shit with ice cold showers every day, face masks every night, literally teaching herself how to not use facial muscles and not to do exaggerated expressions and for what, a lot of people her age look the same doing neither of these things. It reminds me how awful it is to fall into anti-aging internet rabbit holes, listening to people like her makes you feel like you MUST subject yourself to multistep, insane regimens like that, it's tough to unlearn.
No. 298948
>What are your thoughts on getting older? Do you struggle with accepting it?
In regards to physical appearance, I'm not that bothered but I don't want to deal with hair dye when it's time for me to go grey (it's more about liking my hair colour than disliking being grey, pale hair sucks on me). More seriously, I looked up how many weeks there were in an average human life and it hurt me to see how little my mother has left. All I ever hear about the elderly is dementia and health problems so I'm naturally primed to be scared to become very old. I'm also unsure if I will ever have kids, I'll probably never be ready and wealthy enough to, I would love them very much but I just cynically don't see it happening before the menopause. I sort of wanted to be a mother at around 26 but it's really coming and going.
>Have you ever had an experience in which you were perceived as lesser due to your age?
Only because they (both men and women) think I'm a child. It's because I wear jeans and hoodies with no makeup and a rucksack if I'm not going somewhere with a dress code, usually the library, so they probably think I'm a high school kid. When I ask for help they're much kinder and forgiving, especially professionals, which is nice but at the same time I'm not sure I'm taken as seriously as I should be. Then again when people knock on my door and see me they usually ask for my parents and I get away with telling them mom and dad aren't in lol.
>How do you cope with the unrealistic age related expectations put on women?
There are other things in life that are more fun, interesting, and thought provoking to experience than beauty, which does not last forever. I pretty much don't look at modern pop culture, news, or celebrity gossip so much of the pressure of those expectations doesn't exist in my life. I just look at the real, unaugmented women around where I live and feel okay about being average among them. Men exploit womens' natural beauty all the time so what they think about how a woman looks is total trash to use as a guideline.
>Do you have any tips to help other women with the problems mentioned above?
Not really. Keep amassing wisdom, experience, and wealth so you can tell others to piss off when you need to.
No. 298949
>>297761Most people who make looking youthful their whole personality miss the point because I've never seen one who actually looks hot. This woman looks clean, but not especially attractive (to me anyway) and I don't get why people who are so obsessed with youth do it if it's not like they especially attractive in the first place. I mean, for fuck's sake, she's only 30.
I think equally weird is the crowd of women like that one who are obsessed with aging youthful WITHOUT muh botox/fillers/plastic surgery, but then they do every single trick in the book that is "noninvasive" to make themselves look young and I feel like that kills as much time, effort, and money as if you did plastic surgery or filler. Like, you're still putting in so much effort as person who does botox/filler/plastic surgery and for what? It's so odd to me.
No. 300056
>>300055Jfc that’s brutal
nonnie kek
No. 311058
Here are my thoughts on this whole thing. It is mostly european or western society centric so I cant say I am speaking for entire world.
This whole ageism (The wall) thing is absolute INCEL MOID propaganda and semi-new at that.
Pre 20th century, women were expected to marry young because they were expected to pop out babies until their fourties. Those children were meant to work in the fields or (if sons) become future soldiers to go fight in moid wars. See the problem here? You were basically a brood mare for a moid-led society that treated life of your children as a resource so a king moid could have soldiers in his army or to work in fields so king moid could collect taxes, leaving little for your family to survive on. Also infant mortality rate was high too, and many mothers had at least one child die. This is where the "woman should be young" bullshit originates from.
Around 20th century, after world wars, living standards got higher. There are no needs to birth tons of children anymore and infant mortality rate is WAY smaller. You could focus on your life, career and hobbies more. So could your children, as more care was given to them. Therefore you did not have to start popping kids at 18. Also feminism was on the rise, and as years went on, women gained many rights were able to actually become independent members of society and not husband's property. There are still some comments around being "too old" at 30, but those were influenced by centuries of women subjugation of being a property and a broodmare.
Now moids noticed that because they lost that tiny bit of power and they do not have the same grip on society as they once had. However they are obsessed with power. They want to be kings who powertrip and lead pointless wars where thousands die, bringing ruin to society just for their own ego. They need women to be below them and subjugated to them in every aspect. Also, now that women are free to choose, these genetic trash men do not get their free wife appliance anymore - and they are angry. So now in 21st century they are working hardest to bring back the "old ways". Abortion rights got taken away. Feminism is getting ruined from inside by "liberal feminism" (that is led by moids). Women who are ONLY 25 are getting told they are too old? Too old for what exactly??
When I was a child/teen, me and other girls actually wanted to become older. Nobody feared 30. Nowadays I see women crying about how they are turning 23. Or girls who fear aging past 16. It is awful that the moid propaganda is working.
If you tie your value to your age, you are shitting on everything women in the past have fought for. You are letting moids gain more power and the more power they gain - the more misery they make. They will make the world go back to the dark ages if they can, all for the sake of their peen. So, even if you are being bombarded with propaganda, please remember:
The fact that you are able to turn 30 without being forcibly tied to some moid and forced to birth children since 18 is the proof of your FREEDOM AS A HUMAN BEING.
No. 311072
>>160656>>311058Oh god lemme get on my soapbox for a bit, the whole "25+ is too old" shit is pissing me off. Fucking redpillers, incels, manosphere, dateless scrotes are pushing their new ideal age of a woman down to 25. No joke.
I'm fascinated by the whole manosphere red pill world so I listen to some of their shows, and I swear they're getting more extreme. Their whole ideology is a counter reaction to feminism and women getting freedom in modern times.
Men lost, they know it. That's why single lonely dateless wonders are desperately looking towards redpill/manosph. influencers or pick up artists for help. Manosphere influencers are pushing the ideology of "reproductive strategy", that women only want resources. So they teach men to fuck as much as possible and get rich asap, and by 35 they'll peak. When they peak at 35+, there will be a young beautiful fertile 22 year old at the end waiting for them. And they say 25+ is leftover women. They even use words like 'train your woman', so it's obvious why they want someone under 25. The irony of it all, these influencers are not married themselves kek. Also they push men to do a one end open relationships, the man can cheat but the woman can't because ideally she should be 'loyal'. Basically they want a harem, and women will allow if the guy is rich because of "reproductive strategy".
Do yourself a favor y'all when dating, ask what shows or etc they listen to asap and cut the scrote off if anything sounds manosphere aligned. These moids haven't caught up to modern times and haven't realized they need a grounded good personality, normal hobbies, be interesting, etc to be date worthy. Women don't have to settle for a loser anymore and they're lost over it kekk
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I've been benjamin buttoning it since 10. I looked older than my age, my body was still childish but my face looked like kate moss or something, people really told me I am going to be a model, because I hit peak fast, skinny, high cheekbones, beautiful hair, and my dads side was tall so they assumed the height would catch up. As a middle school student I was asked what uni I went too. It sucked. I stayed thin but never grew any taller so modeling was not even on my mind and ended up with body dysmorphia because I would hear endlessly how nice my appearance is when I couldn't see it. Got to my 20s and I went to fly and the dude asked for me ID again because he thought I was 16. Then second puberty gave me some boobs, still thin but hey boobs. And I stopped aging. Getting to late 20s people to thought I was still 20. I dated a guy a year younger than me, we met his cousin and he goes "Why are you dating a minor?" At 30 old woman were surprised at my age and gossiped "No way, she is so little."
I am 31, I have an adult body and 166cm height. Idk why everyone thinks I am so young but I will gladly take it to make up for looking like an adult as a child. I would love to show you guys my child photo but I don't want to dox myself, just imagine a supermodel head on a childs body lol.
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>>311305
Get lost scrote. You don’t know anything about biology or autism, which is odd considering how far down the spectrum you are
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>>300050I literally dressed like picrel after I hit 25 because I thought it was "age appropriate" and being into altfash was at that age was "cringe" and people were judging me, then at 30 I found an alternative fashion I absolutely fell in love with and now my entire wardrobe is filled with it and I'm just loving it so much and going to wear it to my old folks home. Thinking that it's only for the very tiny age slot of 16 to 24 is retarded, I'm not going to wear mom attire for 50 years just so some insecure petty bitches don't have to feel bad about not having the spine to put on anything past sweaters and skinny jeans themselves.
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My parents have been referring to me as "nearly 30" since I was 19. While this is strikingly retarded, because I used to have such bad mental health, for a while it did get to me and make me really stressed and guilty for not accomplishing things. But ironically it developed into some kind of reverse psychology thing, so now that I'm actually approaching 30, I feel super indifferent, sometimes I even think I should maybe care, but in the end of the day I can't. I guess I've been 30 for a decade already and the world just goes on unchanged, so whatever.
No. 311512
I used to be worried about aging when I was a child, like 9 years old, because moids on the internet would tell me that I was perfect as a child, and I wouldn't get hit on unless my age was 9 on the internet.
I thought I needed to get married by the time I was 15 years old, have a kid at 18 years old, and enjoy my life once my kids got old enough to feign for themselves, so I could be young, have some energy, and not an old lady with lots of physical issues.
I think about it sometimes, it's kind of funny how I was so pressed about it as a literal child, I don't even know where I got the idea of needing to get married so young, because my parents would actually tell me that I didn't need to worry about anything like that.
I would ask a lot about the right time for getting married and having kids, my mom didn't have me too young, like she wasn't a teen mom, she was like 28 years old, which is honestly young but yeah, at least she wasn't a teen or a child.
When I was 20 years old I worried a lot again, I wanted to graduate quickly, get a job and do something useful at home, because my brother had a good paying job at 21.
And I still feel bad about it, like what if I had been a better student? What if I had picked a better career unlike literature? I kind of wish my parents would've been pushier when I was choosing my career and would've told me to study languages instead or literature, maybe I would've graduated at the "right age" and I would've started being productive.
But I also think that in the end it's not fair, why do we have to push ourselves from a young age to graduate as quickly as possible? Sure, I've been suicidal since I was a teen, but going to university and failing at an "easy" career made me try killing myself a few times.
Nowadays I just cope, I will be 30 years old soon, without a boyfriend, or a kid, without my own house bought with my own money, not knowing how to drive, without a car of my own, without being able to buy things for myself.
And I don't even care anymore, I'm doing my best, I'm sure I will look great once I'm 40 or 50, or 60, I will wear whatever I want, eat whatever my body lets me eat, wear makeup or not, study a new career, finish the career I started when I was 18, maybe get into some nice hobby that could give me money, like knitting or sewing. And I will be happy because I'm glad I never went too far with the whole thing of wanting to live fast and die young.
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I just came across this gif of Emma Thompson and thought of bumping this thread. This woman has aged like fine wine to me. I hated how my face changed when I started puberty and several years later I'm noticing that I'm growing into my features. I can't wait to reach my 30s and finally lose all the hormonal puffiness around my jaw (thankfully it's almost gone). I've never considered having cosmetic surgery but finding that the few female celebrities that don't have any work done are ageing this good is making me feel even more confident about it.
No. 410252
>>304489Asian media and standards have crept in. Outside of butthurt incels and pedos moids really do not care. Moids do not give a shit about wrinkles in general, the ones that do are faggots.
Zoomers in general seem to think life ends at 30. Pornsick scrotes absolutely contribute to this but so do 80 IQ kpop stans oogling over jung kwoo duk until he turns 25 and is shoved into an office cabinet for the latest model
No. 410333
>>410249This. And they’re all getting fillers and Botox thinking it makes them look young, when all they’re doing is making themselves look like they’re in their mid 30s to 40.
I keep seeing videos of women with injections saying “I’m 23 and I look so young!” And they look 42.
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>>424688It's so hard to be a zoomer woman because our men grew up on the internet wheres millenials were already teens-adults when the internet peaked and things were just for the lolz meme funny internet was not that important or influencial back then, so millenial women had the chance of meeting normal men (4chan neckbeard weirdos apart of course they always existed, but they were looked upon society and watching anime was considered weird back then). Now that anime internet culture got SO MUCH popular being a gooner/pedo/e-girl with daddy issues/anti-social hikkikomori tiktok aesthic loner /onlyfans prostitute is considered cool by society and it's only going to get worse when all boomers die, millenials become demented old grandparents and zoomers become full grown adults. The amount of fucked up shit gen alpha kids see on their moms ipads will also fuck up their tastes/mentality when they get older, we are set up for dark times but normies don't really understand this.
I am not saying millenial men and boomer men are nice, of course boomers cheat on their wives all the time and SEAmaxx, and millenial men literally groomed many kids online / drew cartoon porn, what I want to say is that zoomer men consumed so much porn since young ages and grew up in a society where strange fetishes are normalized I don't think it will be posible for zoomer females build families with zoomer moids in the future, they seem to want to be teens forever and seem to despise female process of aging according to the porn they like. I unfortunately think zoomer girls won't want to be moms either because almost all the girls my age I know are traumatized by CSA cases/by their dads being
abusive/404 to be found /too blackpilled to even consider bringing a child to this world.
I wish I was being a schizo or trolling right now but I am totally right speaking from what I have saw all these years and it makes me sad to think we are in the worst timeline, and the thing I have to admit is that
Unabomber was right.
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>>424699rich old men tend to be pedos as well I read somewhere that rich men hate big breasted women and like flat chested women more while poor men prefer big breasts etc