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>>227705seconded!
13 y/o me became extremely vindictive towards religion and I wish to restore my faith in god
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>>227705>>227707hello fellow based nonas. I was also baptized and christened as a child but recently (like 3 years ago) became more serious in my faith. I would recommend finding a church that is in English or at least has some English services, and make sure you talk to the priest! make an appointment with him or talk to him after liturgy. go to vespers on a weeknight if you are nervous cause there will be less people there and it will be less nerve wracking. also, I highly recommend finding a ROCOR (Russian), antiochian or OCA church. the greek patriarch and the patriarch of Constantinople have been doing shady things lately. ROCOR is the best imo because they really stick to tradition.
start with a small prayer rule; maybe read some prayers in the morning or at night, and then gradually add more. also do the readings of the day each morning. the app orthoprax is really great because it has saints of the day, prayers, plus a lot more. but if you want to print something out I recommend princess Ileana's prayers :
http://www.tkinter.smig.net/PrincessIleana/OurFather/index.htm . I also highly highly recommend father kosmas on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXylAJpasmGnyoeeZSWi6dg/videos . he is very to the point in what he says and I still watch his videos to this day. you can put one on while cleaning or folding laundry since they're long.
if you can get the orthodox study bible I highly recommend that as well. plus you can find a pdf of the orthodox way online, which is also a great beginner read. the best thing to do though is to go to a church. that was the scariest thing for me but the most rewarding. I am happy to answer any other questions/give other recommendations!
No. 227714
>>227710Thanks anon. I have a russian/english church in my city that I've visited a couple of times and I really enjoyed talking to the priest there. Luckily because of covid they've started livestreaming all their services so I can watch them from home for now. I definitely want to visit again, they do have a bible study which I'm considering.
I used to read prayers but I've stopped and have been lost on where to start again, so thanks for the app tip I just downloaded it and have checked out the links you sent.
What's it like attending church? Is it full on or do you enjoy it? How often do you go? Also, do you practice fasting on particular days and cutting out meat on others?
No. 227717
>>227714awesome nona! you should definitely go to the bible study, you can also meet other catechumens that way. meeting other people, especially ones my age, helped me a lot at first. live-streaming services is okay but it is a totally different experience being there in person!
church can be scary at first ,especially if you have not been to a service before. I was really overwhelmed when I first went, but I have to say it felt very mystical and amazing. oftentimes churches have a liturgy booklet you can follow, which was amazing for me since I would just read it the whole time lol. but you do get used to the service at some point and memorize hymns and stuff. sometimes I don't want to go to service because I feel bad or nervous, but once I'm there the feeling goes away. I go twice, once on Saturday evening to confess and the vigil, and then Sunday morning Divine Liturgy.
oh, you should also definitely confess when you have a chance. write a list of everything you've ever done lol (I follow this site:
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/selfexam.aspx ). the first time I did confession I had a list of like 50 things and I cried a lot, but it felt amazing. get yourself an icon too, if you are in America I love this monastery
https://stpaisiusgiftshop.comin terms of fasting, you should talk to your spiritual father, but yes I follow the old calendar fasting rules. so Wednesday and Friday I basically can only eat vegan food. then during lent its like 40 days of that lol. at first I only fasted from meat on weds and fri, and then gradually added fish and cheese. some people can handle the fasting right away though, so it really depends on you
No. 227770
>>227717I will definitely attend church next Sunday when I am next free. Pretty excited to go back and experience it all with a new perspective.
Thank you for all your tips, links and advice anon, much appreciated.
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>>227703Raised moderately Catholic, now taken the Buddha-pill and interested in other Eastern religions.
I’m mostly a secular Buddhist but I respect and am fascinated by the more supernatural aspects of it
No. 228121
>>227706I used be an atheist and/or an agnostic. However, due to some recent experiences, I decided to become a Rinzai Zen Buddhist to affirm my authentic self. I'm learning about how to do proper zazen and some the practices that I can incorporate into my life. Hopefully I can move to place that has a temple that practices this since a teacher is essential if you want to move forward.
Regardless, I don't intend to follow everything by the book. One of the things I like about Buddhism is that there isn't a focus on doing well so you can succeed in your next life. If I do my practice earnestly and truly embrace the dharma then this life will be all that matters which is the one thing I never saw in any of the religions around me. I'm kind of surprised that a religion would create so much happiness for me but I'm here right now so that's all that matters.
No. 248830
>>227710>OCA churchAbsolutely not. Fr. Seraphim Rose detested the OCA and he knew what he was talking about.
>ROCOR is the bestAll day, year, month, and century, baby.
Also, to the girl wanting to be Orthodox, never ever copy your prayer rule from the internet. ALWAYS ask a priest who knows you and your life circumstances before holding yourself to a standard you find on the internet.
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>>259704Look, you. I know you're Kaitlyn Tiffany lurking through old threads and searching for topics to write a retarded article on. Learn to sage, journatard.
No. 259719
>>259705What the actual..?
Believe it or not im actually op and I haven't visited this thread in months. Don't be creepy, i'm genuinely asking others how one views the passing of someone through their religion. I intentionally unsaged my post so that religion anons could potentially see it and give me some advice.
No. 259914
Are there any eclectic believers out there? The past few years I have done a lot of research but Christianity, Wicca, Paganism, Buddhism and any other religion I have researched just did not feel right. I have my own belief system now which is composed of various religions/beliefs (I'm vaguely pagan/wiccan, with some elements of Christianity and old family wisdom/ancestor wisdom). I also recently finally set up an altar! It feels so great to honor mother earth and father sky, honor my ancestors and connect with my European roots (don't want to say my exact location lol). Ancestor work has helped me so so much. I never got to meet most of my family and sending them good fortune in their new lives, wherever or whatever they may be right now. I would not be me if it weren't for them, I'm very much like my parents and they're very much like their parents too haha, no coincidence! I do rituals for myself only on the new moon and full moon (if that, a lot of the time I only do one moon phase or none/less intricate if I don't feel the need to). The rest of the time I only honor mother earth, father sky and my ancestors. It makes rituals (or spells, if you do those) for yourself or others more effective too I've noticed! (I only do positive rituals for my friends and family to try and help them with things beyond my control, like bringing them more creativity, calmness or financial succes), don't worry I don't want to curse anyone obviously, threefold law!) In my experience, if you're not taking the time to honor the earth and your ancestors and solely focussing on yourself your rituals or spells won't work either. Sorry for the massive sperg. Are there any other eclectic anons out there too, who take parts of certain religions but don't follow them strictly?
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>>259914I think the word you're looking for could be omnism - the recognition and respect of all religions and their gods or lack thereof. I'm the same
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There's a part of me that wants to go back into religion and spirituality but I abhor misogyny in any form. I think I believe in a higher power and I meditate on occasion, but I don't know what to do about organized religion.
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I think that men never understood their own religion
No. 289752
>>289745Usually it helps if you manage to find a good guide, or community that would help you embrace it and become more comfortable. These are rare to come by though.
Personally I ended up parting ways with religion but I was raised christian and I've met some really, genuinely passionate priests / conventuals / nuns and youth communities. Being around people like that, taking part in - especially youth oriented - events can really help you with embracing what you're looking for.
No. 289876
>>289863This may differ amongst (Christian) churches, I'm not sure, but at the one I went to growing up there would've been little chance to single you out. You enter the church when the doors open, go sit in a seat of choice and wait until the service starts. People may silently talk among themselves but won't approach strangers when they're seated. Afterwards you just leave, if you want to, instead of lingering around to chat with people. If you go to a large church with lots of regulars it's unlikely they would even recognize you as a new face amongst the masses.
A lot of churches livestream their services nowadays, where I am anyways, you could see if any churches in your area do and watch it to get a feel for it.
No. 292431
https://vaticanassassins.org/2011/12/08/russiansoviet-gang-rape-and-murder-of-protestant-prussian-women-1945/It seems like whenever I start to lean into spirituality, I always end up reading something like this which just hurts my soul on a deep level and makes me question if everything is pointless. I’ve been an atheist before all this but if one is really an atheist and a radfem then we have to admit that “God” is just the will of men who may or may not control themselves not to hurt us. If not my spirit guides or fate from the universe, then my fate is in men’s hands. And another thing that bothers me is the justifications of human suffering. In some religions we’re told that we can’t understand “God” because we can’t comprehend “Him”. I think of my own struggles and see some growth/strength as a result of them and also recognize the times my guardian angels have protected me. But what about “pointless” suffering. Idgaf about this being a potential lesson of history because people (men) do not fucking learn and they just repeat the same shit over and over. What about if the
victim is killed like right after like some of the examples in that article—how would they benefit from the “strength” that one can build after being hurt? Sorry I’m just so hurt and angry seeing this and I get more upset knowing that it’s not the only case of innocent people being raped, tortured, and killed by soldiers.
No. 295200
>>292431From the Christian point of view, nothing is "pointless".
>What about if the victim is killed like right after like some of the examples in that article—how would they benefit from the “strength” that one can build after being hurt?Everything is interconnected. One man's suffering affects not just him but everything and everyone around him. It's the butterfly effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect>>295182I grew up hearing about the end times too. When I start feeling like that, I just look at lists of failed prophecies and tell myself that if God is real he can't blame us for being confused. I mean, the two holy books you mentioned contradict each other.. how would someone basing their faith on the accuracy of prophecies know which book to follow? It's no use panicking over it.
No. 296261
>>295182Because men knew what they were doing from the beginning.
They knew they would overpopulate the planet (BIG FUCKING SURPRISE), they knew they were building a society that relied on abusing our resources and nature, and ultimately cornering humanity with its back against a dead-end upheaval wall. They knew they would have to defend a massive all consuming lie, but they wanted to be worshipped until the end of times. Like any tyrannical mass murderer, they wanted the whole thing to implode, and everything to go down with them, instead of capitulate to better ideas, foundations. Why else do you think so many men hate progressive ideas? They feel trapped by progressive agendas. They don't want their status in society to be stripped away. No suprise there. These kinds of man have existed since time memorial. So what do they do? They build society around a religion that worships the core of patriarchy and masculine entitlement as we know it. They RAM the last religious word in people's faces long after the first "prophets" are dead, and before anyone has had time to unravel these massive lies..
They wanted it so people would never change their minds easily about patriarchal society, selfish detached consumption, the roles of men ingrained in said society. They want society to die with them. Which explains right wing wackjobs current
"hysteria"… Lying until they're blue in the face about corruption, women's rights, environment, diverting blame to race issues. They want to divert blame and throw a wrench in progress so that its so stalled, we become trapped. They want us to have no chance of escaping death with them. Yes a ton of men are actually just that fucking backwards evil.
Well they set the GROUNDWORK with religion. Monotheist religion as we know it.. its All designed in ways to mirror OLD patriarchal customs. Even beliefs that are subconscious and unspoken. Questions which hardly see daylight. By programming patriarchy into religion that deeply, men pit people and "morals" against nature, against our better natures, against progressive improvements, so we're trapped in the stupid habits of consuming and raping each other with the age old concept of money. Men wanted to cement their influence into society with religion. In ways that would be too hard to question or think deeply about, lest you sound crazy or go crazy.
Well now rivers ARE drying up everywhere, wildfires are flaring where they shouldn't, icecaps are melting, sea levels will rise, climate refugees will pour in. The same kind of filthy liars that created patriarchal religion as we know it, are up to the same old thing. HOW IS THAT ANY SURPRISE TO YOU?? Pretending they know nothing, donning MAGA caps. Pretending to be stupid and say the brainless denialist horseshit we see daily. I don't understand how most people don't see this ! Its right in front of our faces!! Yes the world IS overpopulated if we can't get a simple thing like water to people and farms that need them. The "breadwinning" patriarchal system is a gross failure.
Yes I believe in god. I believe a lot of prophets wanted to spread a positive evolved message, but it was also twisted for convenience. It was a diluted half-finished message about morals. The original authors didn't want to dig up the whole truth. About people, men, where they knew it was doomed to end up from the beginning
I also think monotheist "prophets" were FAR FAR removed from the current reality we know and the reality of patriarchal "bread-winning" induced mass-consumption. Yeah a lot of moids aren't short sighted fools, but the ones that are, are power-hungry and LIVE to control sex and the narrative adjacent to it. The women who know nothing else and want some, are the same.
I think men, caught up in their roles and their egos BASTARDIZED god and turned him into a half-lie, that was easy to sell and control with. If you pay attention, Christianity is behind every individual who uses influence to bludgeon progressive ideas and messages.
Is it really that surprising though??? Isn't this obvious to most people? I don't see how it can't be. Its right in front of us. The things men do are right in front of us. All day everyday. Yes there is a god but nobody wants to face what he/she is. People want to keep things as cozy and regressive for a just few with power, as they can. This benefits men most. Men have no claim to "advancing society" if this is how deep their bad choices go though, imo.
No. 297016
>>295182People back then weren't retarded. They could accurately predict weather patterns among other things and most of the shit like this in the Bible was already well known and taken from Babylonians and surrounding civilizations since way before it was written. Hilariously they owe practically everything in there to the wisdom of everybody in the region
except Jews/Arabs.
No. 297052
>>297019This is a very interesting topic imo. Im coming from a non dual background. We naturally don't want to harm ourselves and just want the best for ourselves and when we discover its all I we behave in a natural moral and not harmful way. Though the understanding of what is harmful or moral may be subjective for example you may think it is not moral to have a bride that is forty years younger than you but maybe in this context it is not harmful and actually true love. Im making this example because I just discovered someone I deeply respected had a forty years younger wife and fathered a child with her so this made me think. So I think I would say morality is subjective and then there is a different layer which is acting out of pure love which might be not moral to some people but comes from a much deeper understanding and is actually superior.
What is your understanding of morality?
No. 297531
I think that I consider myself a druid, and/or an agnostic pagan. One that is non-practicing but researching and looking.
I grew up going to a pretty large, progressive church and I enjoyed it because it had a lot of fun activities for a kid (sports, handbell choir, summer camps, etc.). But when I went through confirmation I had a moment of realization of "this isn't something I actually believe". My mom was pretty okay when I stopped going, which I'm thankful for.
I've done a bit of reading and pagan religions always draw me in. Nature is my ultimate source of "awe and holy" feelings if that make sense. In a universe of entropy, it can renew itself and grow back stronger than before. If allowed to, of course. Mythology is also a life-long fascination of mine. Particularly Egyptian and Celtic. When it comes to a pagan "Denomination" some don't appeal to me. Asatru was interesting, but there's so many vikingboos or Marvel fans that make me roll my eyes. Wicca is very common, but it feels too corny and pop-culture-y. Druidism appealed to me as it is mainly about nature and knowledge, and seems, well, more down to earth. I cannot truthfully say if there are deities that really exist, but I still see a god and goddess as archetypes or symbols of balance between the sexes. I can't say if I believe in magic either, but the beauty and power of nature does feel magical. And I see magic rituals as "The power of positive thinking". I.e. putting yourself in a mindset of peace using objects and atmosphere and meditating on what your goals are so you can work towards them. All neopagan religions are mostly made up from bits and pieces of the past mixed with modern fantasy since history is so opaque. But if it works for people and they don't harm others, I see no issue.
It's a shame there's very little pagans near me, otherwise it would be neat to attend a sabbat celebration or have discussions with others. But oh well.
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I recently became a Mahayana Buddhist and I'm thinking about taking refuge vows at my local Buddhist temple. I just want to devote my life something greater than myself, and aiming for enlightenment and Buddhahood is something I can definitely get behind.
Questions for any Buddhist anons that may be lurking: are you worried about your next rebirth? What are your plans for the afterlife? I want to take the bodhisattva path and be reborn in a pure land. It's difficult because Buddhism stresses the importance of finding a spiritual teacher, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to find one unless I choose to lock myself away in a monastery. The idea of becoming a nun towards the latter half of my life is a serious consideration for me.
No. 382359
>>382357lent is the 40 days before easter where you practice almsgiving, prayer and fasting. It represents the 40 days jesus spent in the desert.
Lent begins with ash wednesday
No. 382499
>>382357I was raised Catholic and participated in Lent. When I visited other families that were just Christian, I noticed that many didn’t participate. So I guess it depends how devout or deep into the religion you are.
I didn’t do any of the fasting since I was young, but we usually abstained from meat on Ash Wednesday and then every Friday after that until Easter. Not a Christian anymore so I don’t participate any longer.
No. 382519
>>382349>>382499Lent is a Catholic thing, Orthodox have Great Lent which is in a different period, Protestants don't as far as I know.
Within Catholicism only mandatory fasts are Ash Wednesday and Great Friday, lenten Fridays are mandatory non-meat days, but not fasts.
No. 387149
>>387006Depends on who you are talking to. Some retards take the "no self" concept extremely literally and say that nothing actually reincarnates except for your karma. However, those people are faggots and Buddha explicitly rejected that position, although his many of his putative followers are too retarded to realize that.
Basically your consciousness/soul/whatever you want to call it keeps reincarnating until you achieve enlightenment which is itself a form of extinction.
Buddhism sucks. Stay away from it
No. 387228
>>387220That is indeed what Theravada orthodoxy teaches, it just isn't what Buddha taught. If you are interested in learning what Buddha actually taught, check out the Hillside Hermitage videos on YT for a demystified version of Buddhism that is actually based on the Suttas.
But it's all a bunch of nihilistic garbage, though. Buddhism remains my least favorite religion.
No. 436083
Dont listen to this anon
>>387149Notice how bitter they are and can only speak from ego.
No. 436183
>>4360841. no
2. which religion?
No. 436294
>>436084I was in that position before and I ended up going through with it because I found that I had some misconceptions about the actual beliefs of the religion I was looking at, a lot of things actually turned out to have very pro-woman tones. Unfortunately men twist the tenets to suit them and their selfish urges, I think this happens with any set of beliefs. Just look at men trying to twist women's rights into being about them being accepted into women's spaces or about their hateful porn being feminist.
Idk what religion you're considering but imo religion should be for the beliefs and not for a fun social club, I mean you can get that from pretty much any old hobby. Tbh most people of the same religion as me actually seriously annoy me and I don't fit in with them but whatever.
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I’m slowly becoming more interested in Buddhism. Any long time Buddhists here?
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I've been thinking about creating a religion or spirituality based around the pomelo