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>>312664Agree. That advice will only work on women who are already gorgeous, with good skin and long fingers…
But on point: learn how to make your hair look great in a seemingly effortless way. Picrel difference between a regular ponytail and a chic one; also of a sexy braid, assuming this is what the above poster had in mind
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>>312668Sorry, forgot pic, here it is, notice the difference!
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Also learn to curl hair in a natural way, I've specifically chosen a picture of an Asian girl, in case of anons saying their hair is too straight (Asians have naturally straighter hair, no offence meant!)
No. 312680
>>312659i have the same problem.
>very frizzy hair that has random curls and random straight bits + cowslick. brushing does nothing to make it look neat. clips just seem to fucking fall out of my hair. nothing "sticks". >sensitive eyes - even the type of make up designed for sensitive eyes just waters onto my face within an hour>dry lips - i can exfoliate and hydrate them but this only lasts a couple of hours and lipstick will dry them out faster. i've tried all kinds. >short + weird stance/gait issues. i think my body just looks dumpy kek>i feel very uncomfortable in tight or "fitted" clothes so always want to wear baggy things that intensify the frumpiness. probably just a shit taste in fashion too. I'm clueless. >the worst dark circles/eye bags from lack of sleepI gave up trying to look even a little bit glamorous a long time ago (it's not my thing anyway), but I just want to not look like a
fucking mess all the time.
the only thing I do that helps is using an eyelash curler - makes my eyes look slightly less dead and found a nice pair of ankle boots that make my outfits look slightly more stylish.
No. 312693
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a guy once told me that i reminded him of Lynn from Alan Partridge and I've never forgotten that. he wasn't even saying it to be insulting (apparently) I just give off that frumpvibe, what can I say…
No. 312694
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>>312684good for you
nonnie. i think frumpy girls are cute, but i hate being frumpy myself. why is that?
also i always thought the mori kei aesthetic would be a form of frumpmaxxing, although it still requires
some attempt at styling.
No. 312711
>>312680Kek I feel this so hard nonna, literally every single one of these. I'm too broke to mess around and buy products/clothes for them to not work/look good on me, I want to look nice so bad. The only thing going for me is my nails, but even then, one nail breaks, the rest look too nice so I just end up odd looking
>>312694I don't think mori kei is frumpmaxxing, it's just very layered/cluttered in a presentable/put together way, those girls look very cute and approachable compared to
>>312693 so sorry anon you got compared to Lynn kek No. 312712
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I'm just so sloppy. My glasses are always smudged and my hair is frizzy. I'm also overweight 26 BMI and I just look fat and silly. I can't help slouching, even when I was scrawny I did it, I think it's cause I'm so tall. When are we gonna stop pretending that makeup is exhausting and Styling your hair in anything except for a hair clip is frustrating.? Just be clean I wish I saw more fellow sloppy women around.
No. 312717
i feel like this
>>312663 as well
so i leaned into looking kind of "messy" as part of my look.
>>312661 this kind of stuff is basic hygiene and will help you look like the messy is intentional though
so dressing in ways like kinderwhore, boho, morikei, whimsigoth, grunge etcetc. all of these kind of styles you can kind of lean into being "messy" and not have perfect nails, hair etc all the time. I dress kind of whimsigoth so i like leaving my hair in my natural waves and wearing smudgy makeup.
if you want to look cleangirl or oldmoney etc tho. you have to be perfect all the time and its exhausting lol
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>>312659I'm basically the same, this is what i learned
>Don't being attention to your flank points.Pick your battles carefully. You will never be flawless, but you can go unnoticed.
> Nothing beats clear skin.Isn't always possible, but is worth trying. If you're broke stick with the basics. Some neutral soap, a nivea cream, maybe some aloe if you're puffy. Some girls say olive oil works great but i don't know.
> Find a cute short hair look that fits your faceit's easier to manage, the most low maintenance the better but it has to look good.
> Choose clothes that fit.This is vital. Shoes too. Tailor your shit, nothing screams frumpy like clothes that doesnt fit you
> Nails can be short and just painted with clean nail polish, but they need to have an actual shape. Picrel. If your nails are prone to yellowing french tips or some neutrals can't go wrong.
No. 312735
>>312684>>312694I've also been frumpmaxxing over the past year or two. Shag haircut, no makeup, and a more androgynous version of mori sort of loose/earthy/layered/thrifted style. And I look better than ever! People compliment my fashion style. Perhaps it's the confidence, but some looks suit certain people and that's that. My personality is a bit rough, messy, and eccentric and it's nice to look the part.
Hygiene is always top of my list of course. I shower daily, wash my face 3 times a day, and wash my clothes after each wear. Everyone should keep good hygiene.
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>>312721>soap, nive cremeIf you want to give yourself clogged pores this is a great suggestion. Aloe doesn't depuff. Want a simple skincare routine? Get a gentle cleanser like Vanicream, a moisturizer your skin likes and a sunscreen. For acne or antiaging, get an active your skin tolerates (tret, bha, aha).
>short hair is more managableKek. This really depends on your texture and the style but I would argue against it in most cases. You have to get it cut more often, it gets greasy quicker, it requires styling products to keep in place. Bobs and pixies are the worst imo, you have to constantly keep the hair from flipping weirdly and a nap can ruin it. Shoulder length hair with some layers to frame the face is actually low maintenance.
>french tipsIt's not 2005, just get a nude polish and a long lasting top coat. Keep your nails painted to prevent damage, splitting etc.
>>312715Have you tried the curly girl routine? If your hair is curly comb it in the shower with a wide tooth comb and leave in conditioner.
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tips for looking nice with less mental effort, specifically clothes edition:
>make sure you have a "core wardrobe" of basic clothes that go together and make you feel and look good. e.g. i'm a tall, masculine clotheshorse type so my core pieces are giant sweaters in neutrals and my favourite colour, a big blazer, some 70's-cut pants, and chunky platform loafers. the idea is to have a reserve of reliable, comfortable clothes you know will look good together even with minimal outfit-planning that can also serve as the basis for more 'fun' outfits when you feel up for it.
>go clothes shopping with either a trusted, female family member or friend who has an eye for style. the female part is important, because even if your male friend/bf/brother/whatever is in the 1% of nice men, they never really seem to get what clothes make women feel stylish AND comfortable. if you really want to know about male clothes, however, sometimes it is better to ask a guy or just browse a few male fashion blogs/comms/etc
>don't feel pressured to redo your entire wardrobe in a big dramatic transformation. you don't have to throw anything out unless it's torn/stained and you don't feel like fixing it, it doesn't fit you, or you never really feel like wearing it.
>there is no need to perform femininity if it feels contrary to your nature. similarly, there is no need to buy into the glossy, smoothed-down insta '''clean girl''' look that is in right now. i see girls dressed like that in real life and they always look like they're cold, uncomfortable, and wearing a weird costume.
>a nice fragrance can help you feel more 'put together'. fragrance bottles last a long time and cheaper scents usually smell pretty bad, so i would recommend springing for fashion house or good indie scents. scents are very personal and can smell completely different on people so i recommend sampling as many as you can.
>lastly, a good, clean pair of shoes always elevates an outfit. they don't have to be terribly expensive as long as they look taken care of and don't distract from your outfit (unless you want to emphasize your shoes). hot take: monstrously high heels are entirely unnecessary, even for dressy outfits. platforms >> heels for casual outfits.
included picrel as inspo for my fellow masculine and/or alt friends who also want to look nice
No. 312826
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>>312761Late, but I find it pretty low maintenance as far as long hair goes. Nothing beats super short hair in terms of daily convenience, but I just shampoo/condition, scrunch, let it air dry, and it comes out fluffy. My hair is 2a-2b wavy I'd say.
I chose it since it looks like an intentional messiness.
No. 312854
Some of you are not going to like to hear this but the key to looking put together starts with a well taken care of base. A healthy lifestyle isn't going to make all your problems go away but it will help with the things that make you feel frumpy and messy and can help with depression. A balanced diet, staying hydrated, and keeping active/regular exercise will go a long way. Find simple skincare, haircare, and nail care routines. Keep your complete self (and your things) washed sanitized. Always wear sunscreen and antiperspirant that actually work. In the beginning it'll take some effort to stick to all of it, especially if you implement everything at once, but if you really want it, these routines will turn into your everyday lifestyle pretty quickly. Another key is that less is more isn't necessarily true; it just has to look like you're not doing the most. Is it going to take time to find your body type and flattering clothes that you like that actually fit properly? Hell yes but once you get it right, your wardrobe will look more "effortless" and getting dressed will become easier. A full face of makeup does not work on everyone. If it's always smeared, keep it really simple and learn techniques that fit your features. Long nails, whether natural or not, also don't suit everyone. Find the length you feel comfortable with. If you don't want to polish them with colors, the basic nail care routine should have them looking well enough that a clear coat or sheer tone will look fine.
No. 312855
>>312826thanks for the reply. love that style in the photo!
>intentional messiness yessss this is what i need
No. 312907
>>3127421) not everyone has money to throw away in pricey skincare products. "Just find something your skin likes!!" Usually means a sensible chunk of money that not everyone has. especially if you have no idea about your skin. You should go to cheaper to expensive, it's less painfull to trown away a nivea tin than a expensive serum, if you're just trying to figure things out. Most of "skin problems" (sans acne, acne in adulthood usually means an hormonal disorder) are actually pretty simple lifestyle related problems, and you don't need a lot to fix them. Getting your skin addicted to a shitton of chemicals right of the bat is a horrible idea, and there is no harm to find cheaper or natural alternatives frist.
2) You can have short layered hair, fyi.
3) I did mention neutrals in my post but fuck you, french tips would be always cute and there is a lot of ways to do it. Cope & sethee.
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>>3129071) No one said anything about buying expensive skincare. K beauty and j beauty is cheap, western drugstore brands have gotten better in the last few years too just look at The Ordinary for example. Trial and error is a part of life, take advantage of samples, research the web before buying anything and use forums like reddit to find real opinions. Of course it's fucking dumb to blindly buy a $100 serum but that's why you read reviews beforehand. Your skin is skin, it's an organ and it can't get "addicted". Some people are fine with water and vaseline and some either aren't that lucky or want their skin to look, feel and be the best it possibly can. A simple routine of 4 products won't break the bank, and it won't ruin your skin. Your Nivea creme is full of chemicals too, everything around you is a chemical. Natural doesn't mean better.
2) You can, and I did and it required more styling and care than longer hair.
3) Whatever grandma. I have nothing against french tips but trendy they are not. Unless you count the bimbo y2k crowd.
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>>312826>>312855update: i got a shag cut (or "wolf cut") and love it. I have thick wavy frizzy hair and it just seems to suit this style. creates waaaaay neater looking waves, almost like i blow dried my hair without doing anything to it. got side bangs though instead of the blunt kind, so it's giving some 70's vibes - which I don't hate. sort of like the lady in picrel.
anyway, i recommend this to my fellow wavy-haired frizzheads
No. 314297
>>314239I'm a fellow mena girl who passes as white and I still get called a terrorist, shitskin, monkey, etc. by more brown looking Europeans than me whenever I mention my ethnicity, kek. Just ignore them, you have a great culture and carry a unique type of beauty and allure none of them ever will be able to possess. I think you can try experimenting with different makeup and hairstyles to figure out which one suits you more, your features and body, etc. matter more than your ethnicity when it comes to these things. For example regardless of ethnicity someone with a sharper jawline could look great with a ponytail while a more delicate face could look better with most of your hair down. Same goes for makeup, sharper features tend to look great with heavier makeup while smaller features don't do as well with the same type.
It's great that you've been embracing your own features though, I've also gotten a lot of people advice me to dye my hair lighter or compliment me because "I don't look middle eastern " which really sucks.
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Moisturize your nails and cuticles moisturize your nails and cuticles moisturize your nails and cuticles!! They don't even have to be long nails or anything but oush your cuticles back, cut the dead skin, and moisturize. I use Hard as Hoof. Essie nail polish in Ballet Slippers is almost undetectable with 2 coats, and makes the nails look very healthy and more clean-looking.
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Essie Ballet Slipper
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>>314400Probably different body types.
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>>314400I feel the same, even when I straighten my hair and do my darndest to not sweat it does not look like how I fixed it up after 10 mins plus the clothes that look best on me are pajamas. I've been wearing baggier jeans and shirt to fit my frame. (Broad shoulders stocky overweight and tall) And my makeup looks best when I'm halfway washing it off. But I don't wear makeup a lot mostly cause I don't like how it feels. Find a looser looking style, like a lot of grungey looks accommodate this or even hippie boho styles. I like the former on myself.
No. 314819
>>314406Still struggle with kibbe. I'm short, id say my face is feminine with some sharpness, like full lips and cheeks, catlike eyes and sharp jawlike, heart shaped. Narrow frame with big hips, pear shaped, feminine also with some sharpness, like long limbs. Yet I grow muscle really easily, and have pretty muscular legs and arms.
Feel like I look the best in clothes that define my waist. Pants usually make me look frumpy. Mid lenght is also awful on me. Same with bell sleeves or 3/4 sleeves.
Soft gamine? Theatrical romantic?
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>>314806>>314808Same anon, i got soft famine and there's so many recommendations for to wear shorter skirts, but i prefer skirts long and i don't like ultra floral or chiffon kind of stuff. The thing is, i already knew that kind of stuff will look good on me, but i just choose to look frumpy instead, especially since i have have that does whatever the hell it wants. I also do not like to be traditionally feminine in a flirty kind of way either, it just doesn't suit my face if that makes any kind of sense. I think I genuinely look good frumpy.
No. 314976
>>314806As a "romantic" in the exact same position as you, kibbe is a load of crap mostly, its like the unfashionables' astrology. All you need to know for your body type is
1) have some waist definition (belt, waist-legth jacket, high waisted jeans and fitted clothes are your friends). This is basically the key to being not frumpy-looking.
2) if you wear fabric that is heavy like leather, thick denim, or any coat, make sure your waist is defined, ex. tailor your jeather jackets around your waist and make sure they fit your arms.
3) wear bottoms and pants that fit you, and make sure they're ankle height - long bottoms make you look shorter.
4) absolutely no offense, but losing weight helps, I'm doing it now for this very reason.
I hate feminine looks, honestly. But if you look around you, there are plenty of women who don't "follow their lines" and they pull it off. To some degree yes, knowing what to wear makes you look better, but you don't want to just wear things because others would like how it looks, right?
HBC, Kate Winslet, Drew Barrymore (personal favorite), Kathleen Hanna, Madonna, Liz Taylor all have the same type as kibbe described and wore clothes that were considered bad for their body type but they don't give a shit and they still look good. Not a single truly fashionable woman knows what a kibbe is and you should forget about it too.
No. 314984
>>314976ayrt. that's all good advice, thank you!
>unfashionable's astrologythis is actually so true kek
>losing weight helpsi'm actually only 115 lbs but I swear you have to be literally underweight to look slender in most clothes, when you're under 5'3 and have curves. I really need to get to grips with this waist definition thing because I always just wear baggy tops so this could make all the difference.
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>>314398It brightens the nails you absolute dolt. I smell scrotum
>>314984>i'm actually only 115 lbs but I swear you have to be literally underweight to look slender in most clothes, when you're under 5'3 and have curvesThis is so true and I'm so glad to see someone else struggling like I do with this. Also fitness and calorie counting becomes so confusing when you're an adult around 5 ft. I also like "bigger" clothing because I hate showing my body too much. (Side note but this kinda sucks because since I lost weight I like my body a lot and I think a lot of more revealing looks are so cute and I would wear them out if it weren't for scrotes) Try sticking to very light-weight fabrics and follow the rule of thirds. I always dress in black, and I have to buy boots that are both black and skin-colored (am white lol) so I can stay monochromatic in shorts AND pants. Proportion is so important for petites, I started sewing young in order to make small alterations that make a HUGE difference. Can you post an example of your coworker's outfit so maybe I can help "translate" it into a midget outfit? I'll meet you under the table at 3 o'clock so we can discuss. Godspeed
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>>314406>>314986i used to find the kibbe thing frustrating but after learning that this is what the man himself dresses like, i don't take it seriously anymore kek
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>>315012Honestly the only thing I can thank kibbe for is helping me understand why I don't look how i'd like to look, it was honestly more of a body dysmorphia thing but with stuff like picrel i would get frustrated why I wouldn't look like Cher no matter how much weight I lost when I was closer to Raquel (but not even because i'm a romantic!) The sad matter is that I only started looking less frumpy when I started wearing tighter clothes. My favourite more 'professional' look is a turtleneck and a long pleated skirt, looks kind of 1950s and is pretty easy to just throw on. Easier said than done if you don't like your body/don't like tight clothes though.
Honestly I don't think i've ever looked at a woman and thought "Wow she's frumpy" or any variation of that