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Could i get a french book recommendation please? I am fluent in it but i dont know where else to ask in real life or online. Haven't read any book that wasnt supposed to be a mandatory read at school… So now i would like to be more well read. My favorite is sans famille if that is any reference, but i like any biographical books and would prefer female protagonists if that is possible, if not that is okay too. Thank you in advance.
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this site is awesome https://abooklikefoo.com/
you put books you like in there and the site suggests other books you might like
Farmers tell me some interesting nonfiction titles you've been reading recently, especially if they're psychology books.>>186688
Is it good for nonfiction too?
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I recently read Never Enough by Judith Grisel. A really good read and her personal experiences with addiction add a lot to the book. In the end, I just wished there was more of it, because it's not super long.
I'm currently reading Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman and I feel like I'm learning a ton about the way we think and make decisions, but progress is slow since the book isn't super captivating for me.
My favorite nonfiction book of all time is The The Emperor of All Maladies by Siddhartha Mukherjee, this book really opened my eyes to what non fiction could be, it's this really interesting blend between history and biology, that's not just fascinating, but also tense and gripping.
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>>186699>Can anyone recommend an interesting autobiography?
I know she's famous so maybe not what you're looking for, but I enjoyed Maya Angelou's autobiographies. At least she was popular for her writing, activism and artistry and not being a social media celebrity. I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings is the first book. I found her voice to be passionate, accessible and inspiring but she's thoughtful enough to reflect on her weaknesses as well.
Here are some with female protagonists:>Un coeur simple, by Flaubert (in Trois Contes)
Short story about the entire life of a maid in Normandy , very realistic>Une Vie, by Maupassant
Novel about the entire life of an aristocratic woman, very realistic>La Cousine Bette, by Balzac
Novel about how a spinster decides to ruin her happy cousin's life>Bonjour Tristesse, by Françoise Sagan
I don't even remember what happens in this one but I loved the style>La Maison de Claudine, by Colette
A bunch of autobiographical short stories from the author's life>Zazie dans le métro, by Raymond Queneau
An actually funny novel! How unusual>Thérèse Raquin, by Zola
Thérèse is a criminal!>Thérèse Desqueyroux, by Mauriac
Thérèse is a criminal!
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Clearly not for everyone but certainly interesting, in this one the hunter Jim Corbett details how he tracked and shot several man-eating tigers. I recommend it especially to fans of the witcher
are you using some sort of web protection? google web protection software you're using
+ URL exceptions to get a guide how to make that link an exception. if it's just your browser go advanced>then whatever comes up that isn't ''back to safety'' and you should be able to access it
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Does anyone know any books like this one that goes more in-depth? Or just any good cult books in general. Thanks!
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i read this book and it was pretty good. i finished it in less than a day. some parts made me feel a bit nauseous though, though i can’t say i didn’t expect them. i wonder how the movie is going to turn out, i have a feeling there’s a certain scene they’re not going to include
The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar - Edgar Allan Poe
The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas - Ursula K. Le Guin
The Yellow Wall-Paper - Charlotte Perkins Gilman
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream - Harlan Ellison
maybe also The Sniper (Liam O'Flaherty) and The Destroyer (Tara Isabella Burton)?
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any books similar to this in terms of female autism and not in the meme way
also please recommend some books about female loneliness that dont go into the whore territory if that is possible
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have you read this one?
The books of blood by Clive Barker are a bit like this but with demons
Kino's Journey is a lot like this, but I just watched the anime and didn't read the light novel>>186832
Do read a guide if you're stuck at the last level, getting the good ending can get a bit convoluted
>>186707>Never Enough by Judith Grisel.
This is exactly up my alley, thank you! I really enjoyed In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction and would love to read more about addiction.
>Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
Doesn't sound captivating for me either, seems very general. I guess I'll stick to making bad decisions like I always have!
>The Emperor of All Maladies by Siddhartha Mukherjee
This sounds like a really good read. I don't think I'm in a place now to appreciate it, but maybe in the future it'll spark my interest.>>186853
You sound very well read! I usually stick to topics that relate to current day issues I find interesting like about suicide and addiction.
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Behave by Robert Sapolsky is very good, it's more on the neuroscience end of behavioural psychology but it's very thorough and he emphasises the limits of his field of study. it's a bit dense but i found him to be an engaging writer and charismatic while being straight to the point.
anon, most psychologists have "last names like that". For years psychology was relaged to Austria/Germany/Poland universities with the occasional french popping out. And then it was dominated by american universities populated by WWII refugees. Psychology is male-biased, and always would be. And like most social sciences, it was used to justify truly horrible shit. That doesnt mean we should/can ignorate these "problematic
" authors because we can/should use their contribution to built something better or what they said doesnt exist/is invalid. For example, that Freud was 99% wrong about women's mental health it doesnt mean that women doesnt have mental problems. And even worse, it doesnt mean we can forgot it happened, because at the very least is a compendium of things we don't need to investigate again, and we can move to greener pastures. you REALLY sound like a poltard
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>>186867>Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction
Addiction really interest me too, I'll put this one on my reading list.
>Doesn't sound captivating for me either, seems very general.
It's central thesis is about how we can understand the mind as having two decision making systems. And the book is mainly about how they interact and what influences them.
On the topic of addiction, I also read Empire of Pain which is about how the family business Purdue caused much of the opioid crisis in america. The psychology of addiction isn't discussed, but they do go over the reasons Oxycontin is addictive and how it was developed and skirted lawmakers.>>186853>Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
That sounds intense but really intriguing.
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I read My Dark Vanessa a year ago on my kindle, and I decided to check out the audiobook from my library and listen to it. I remembered it pretty well for the most part, but there were a few things I forgot or missed, like how Henry admitted to reading Vanessa's blog. Not a very important detail, I'm just a bit surprised I didn't remember it.
I always see people saying how they hate Vanessa, and on my first read through I didn't really get it, but I honestly get it now. I didn't hate her as a teenager, just as an adult. Like how she would NOT stop defending Strane, even after she knew he was grooming girls in the same way he had groomed her. She still kept trying to convince herself she was special to him. I think she told herself he was grooming those girls because they reminded him of her or something like that, and romanticizing it because she didn't want to confront what it would mean if she was really abused, but you'd think at 32 she wouldn't be able to keep lying to herself like that, especially given she blatantly resented Strane at many points in the book. At some points I just wanted to shake Vanessa and be like GIRL. In my first read through of it I also didn't realize it was pretty obvious Strane was attracted to Jenny, maybe even preferred her, but chose Vanessa because she was more vulnerable to his manipulation.
I also got mildly confused at the end about Taylor's situation. She accused Strane of groping her, that's what got him in trouble. But she said that she and Strane kind of had a relationship and that he had her read Lolita, and he was telling her about Vanessa and how she was "just a rumor" and that he waited until she was "fully groomed" to tell her the truth (or tell her something else, I can't remember exactly). If she was "fully groomed" why did she get so upset at him touching her leg? It never really went into detail about his relationship with Taylor so I'm not sure if I'm missing something
Anyway, I really liked this book. Vanessa reminded me of my teenage self an awful lot. Feeling isolated and having low self esteem, no friends, I was also obsessed with older men and was almost groomed by one at one point (though it didn't happen thankfully because it was over the internet) but some the things Strane said to Vanessa were almost the exact same things the guy said to me. The giddyness she felt from Strane's attention really brought me back too. Strane pissed me off so much, I don't know if I've ever wanted to a-log a fictional character this bad. I think it was a really good depiction of the grooming process and I liked the honest bleak portrayal of Vanessa as an adult, and that it had an uplifting ending but not a perfect happy one.
I downloaded the book for free from z-library, you can get it there. Yeah her ideas are common sense, but I had fun reading her book because she talks about the different ideas about cleaning she tried throughout her life and talks about the people who she helped to clean up their homes.
But I learned some things too, for example she talked about how horrified she was when she visited a lady and all her socks were rolled into balls… and I thought… I do that too, that's how my mom taught me. She says it makes no sense because they take up more space that way and the elastic gets stretched out and your socks get ruined over time. And she is totally right, I started just folding my socks instead, I have lots of socks that have become so loose they slip off my feet while I walk.
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What would you recommend to someone who feels lost and struggles to find meaning in life?
I'm not really looking for self help, I moreso want to read other peoples throughs and experiences who have gone through or are going through something similar. I'd also consider philosophy, but I'm a bit worried that I'll be worse off after I read something like Nietzsche.
First of all, I'm sorry for your experience and glad that it hasn't gotten worse…>she would NOT stop defending Strane, even after she knew he was grooming girls in the same way he had groomed her. She still kept trying to convince herself she was special to him
Read Tiger, Tiger if you can stand a real memoir on the topic of the psychology of a grooming's victim
. The author of MDV lifted some details from it, if I remember correctly. It's gonna be painful, but enlightening. Also Natascha Kampusch's one.
It's not that they are defending their predators, but have complicated feelings toward them.
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I’m mentally in a near constant state of nihilism, but there have been a few books that alleviated it for a time, if brief. Warning: they may not do the same for you. Siddartha and Damien, both by Hermann Hesse, made me think of life in different ways. I’ve seen a lot of people say they’re boring and that’s valid
, but they were good for my mental health. Also, The Stranger by Camus. Not a positive story, but had a positive effect on me. I apologize for my absolute scrote taste in books. If it helps, I always find similarities between myself and main characters which makes it easier to self insert when I read, no matter the gender of character.
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agree with your recommendation of siddartha. it is a bit boring at times, but i think it is one of the few pieces of classic lit that holds up regarding the purpose of life.
would also peter camenzind also by herman hesse. bit of a blogpost, but i read this book in my late teens and along with siddartha it completely changed my outlook on life. peter camenzind is also a bit boring at times, but that's kind of the point imo
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I’ll definitely have to read that one. Have you read Beneath the Wheel? Also called The Prodigy. It really devastated me because I was in very much the same place in life as Hans at the time I read it. I love when books catch you at the exact right time. It has a much bigger impact.
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i just finished picrel and i cried at the end. i'm honestly surprised how well written grady hendrix's female characters are. i read only two so far (horrorstör and my best friend's exorcism) but apparently people also praise southern book club's guide to slaying vampires and the final girl support group. maybe there's hope for scrotes after all?
I actually already read Herman Hesse's Steppenwolf and Siddhartha and got a lot from the experience. I didn't mention it because I didn't want to influence the recommendations too much.
I'll check out your books, thank you so much for your input <3
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it's fujoshi torture porn in many respects, but her writing and imagery is so impressive i can overlook a lot of stuff wrong with this book
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Have you read Man's Search for Meaning? Maybe too obvious of a pick but it's one of those classics that is worth the hype imo. The Book of Joy centered around conversations between the Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu was also a great read, I'd be surprised if you weren't able to take at least a few useful perspectives from it.
I read MDV when it came out and loved it, I'm also planning to reread it this year because I feel like I've forgotten a lot of the details. Anyway, I agree with everything you wrote in your post! It's easy to be frustrated with Vanessa, but as someone who was groomed I also see myself in her in some ways. I don't really have any fondness left over for my abuser, but I really feel that need to be special and different even if you know deep down you were just another girl of many. It's kind of an uncomfortable truth and the book really made me think about how I deal with my past in a new light. I like the book for not having a perfect main character tbh, because perfection doesn't really exist in real people.
I'm sorry to read you had your own brush with grooming nona, I wish you all the best.>>187539
I fucking love Grady Hendrix! I can see him becoming a sort of Stephen King-like figure if he keeps it up, but thankfully one that can actually write women. Speaking of King, has anyone else read anything by his son, Joe Hill? I enjoyed parts of his books, but I can't get over how he writes like he hates women.
i hated it.
the prose was bad and sappy, the characters were cardboard cutouts and the way she was trying to tug at the heartstrings was really obvious.
i thought it was a terrible piece of literature overall, content aside the writing's not even good
Thirding Grady Hendrix love! One of the only male writers I trust to write women well. I actually didn't love Final Girl Support Group, but a lot of other people do, so it's worth checking out. But yeah, I love Best Friend's Exorcism, We Sold Our Souls, and Southern Book Club. Post-MBFE he's mostly written about middle-aged women, which really secured my support. I think there was a discussion last thread about this, but in the intro to Southern Book Club, he talks about how he dismissed his mom growing up and then realized how hard-working and amazing she was as an adult, and decided to pay tribute by writing a book about her taking down Dracula. Tbh King could never
Re: MDV – I totally agree w/ all this. I was so struck by how nakedly that book portrays how fucking pathetic a person can end up being when they're that groomed (no judgement at all, I've been there) and desperate to believe they were special. Like, her digging through her Photobucket to send him old pics of her as a teen, and the AIM relationships later on, and the way she defends him with the "actually it's hebephilia" thing…the gut punch of those moments. It's so rare for someone to really, really dig into that shit, but I think it made the eventual peace she finds all the more powerful.
I could never hate Vanessa because of what she went through.
Need to reread the novel too, as much as I found it underwhelming and generic description of grooming, it was enjoyable
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i'm reading rest and relaxation for the first time and i can't help but find it annoying how she's constantly talking about how hot she is, that she looks like a model, that she's depressed and doesn't take care of herself but she's still sooo beautiful. it sounds so "hot girls have problems too"-y to me.
i still enjoy it though and the therapist is hilarious.
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I’m so annoyed to see nonnies unironically recommending this book that I went and found a review that reflects how I feel. Btw the main character condescends to Siddhartha Guatama and decides he is much smarter than him. He shows how much smarter he is by uwu accidentally getting rich (again) and then gambling and drinking. Then he decides that the other people who do that are pathetic and instead getting his dick wet is the real meaning of life. He knocks up a woman and goes “oh haha have fun with that, I am way too smrt to be a dad byeeee” and fucks right off.
kek i had to look up coequette, is this like lolita aesthetic but a little more grown up?
i do enjoy the book and how weird the narrator is and maybe it's a tongue in cheek thing (maybe that she's full of herself and actually not that pretty, but she sees herself that way) but whenever it's mentioned it annoys me a little bit.
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currently reading this. it’s the second nabokov novel i’ve read, the first being lolita of course. in many ways reading this has put lolita in perspective. nabokov is a very skilled writer and very good at incorporating eroticism into his stories. i know some people like to swear up and down that there’s nothing erotic about lolita and if you read it that way you’re missing the point but having started reading ada i think i disagree.
it’s quite hard to read, much harder than lolita just based off the prose and the writing , though lolita is a much tougher subject matter.
anyway i’m curious if any other anons have read ada or ardor and what they thought about it (no spoilers though)
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I am still salty I saw this book for like 2 euros in used bookstore and didn't pick it up.
I read Pale Fire by Nabokov because of Blade Runner 2049, and it's one of the best books I've ever read!
Don't know shit about ada or ardor though lol sorry
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currently reading pic related, liking it a lot so far. it's about two mongolian twins looking for the new dalai lama in the mongolian steppes, it's pretty good so far imo. i've also never really read anything that takes place in mongolia so it's interesting to read about some of the cultural nuances
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Any book recs about drug addiction? Either memoirs or other nonfiction? I just finished picrel and really enjoyed it. As someone who has gone to naranon family groups it made me very emotional at parts.
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Reading One Hundred Years of Solitude and shocked at the amount of rape, incest and pedophilia in just the first thirty pages.
Is the whole book like this? I've seen it recommended many times and I love magical realism, but the amount of degeneracy in it is putting me off and frankly ruining the beautiful ambiance. One of the main charactes rapes a prepubescent girl who is screaming in pain at having to "take it" and I can't go on anymore.
Nonnas who read it, what are your thoughts? Is it worth it in the end?
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Sorry to say but I think that contrary to Nabokov, Marquez was an actual pedophile
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I can't believe this man doesn't get half the shit that Nabokov does. At least Nabokov made it clear that he never wanted Lolita to have a cover with a little girl on it. Marquez is out here writing about women and children being raped and enjoying it.
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Surprise! He’s an average scrote.
Nabokov himself was likely sexually abused by his uncle, so I don't understand how anyone could read the book and view it as being pro-pedophilia
its literally from the perspective of a delusional pedophile who is a rude jackass to everyone and creates outlandish scenarios to make himself look like the good guy
Its absurd that the discourse around the novel never mentions it and also he spent decades in interviews talking about what a vile worm HH is.
This is just a joke about him being a cheater, not argument against Marquez being a pedo… right?>>188469
I would love to read it, please look it up! I would even try to DeepL it
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samefag, I pray this isn't the only one because it sounds like edgy bullcrap. I know that there was some libfem modern rewriting of Lolita from Dolores' POV, but I never read it
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Rather detailed (fictional) account of addiction and going to the AA in it, but it's also a berry big book about many other subjects, with 400 footnotes and execrable french translations in it
i never knew it's about anything at all, so now im curious of it and kinda want to read it
It's about movies, a satire of the near future of the 2010s (somewhat predicted skype and the need for filters for self-conscious people), competitive tennis schools for child athletes, AA, and a plot involving québécois assassins in wheelchairs as well as various spy operations
If you ever decide to read that massive doorstopper in physical form, it's advised to read it with two bookmarks, as it fully plays into the late 20th century trend of an extensive use of endnotes to flesh out the narration
I think there's a bit of clowning on it because it's so ubiquitous, but really, I think a lot of us here do like MYORAR. There's def a recurring refrain of anons looking for bleak, obsessive depressed-woman lit.
I really liked how the book handled Reva too – some of my favorite unreliable narrator use in recent years. She's such a bitch to Reva in such a cutting way that's hard not to respond to, at least a little bit, and then you're left realizing how bullshit that opinion actually is. It's why I actually like the fact that the MC is so hot, though I get why another anon was criticizing it elsewhere – she really is that perfect, sad-in-a-hot-way mess whose emptiness is glamorous because of her judgmental attitude and especially her perfect body, but this book isn't actually interested in just doing that smeared-mascara "oh god i'm sad and have perfect tits" traumafest: you get your nose rubbed in the fact that this is actually still squalid and pathetic and embarrassing.
is there any lighter read by Foster Wallace I could start with? The horrible man interviews maybe…? I don't have a copy of TIJ, I will look for it. Thank you for warning me!>>188562
Yeah I was weirded out, I thought that most of us like MYORAR and other books - by Moshfegh and similar. Pretty sure we were into that one before it became a meme. Maybe that's how it got some backlash.
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I'm currently reading The Winter Prince by Elizabeth Wein, and I'm amazed at how it has everything I want in a story (so far): tragic, broody MC who's obsessed with his too-pretty half-brother and also wishing to kill/betray him to take their father's kingdom for himself. The vibes are immaculate. Chef's kiss, even.
Only a few chapters in, but I'm hoping it keeps being amazing. Also: the art I'm sharing has nothing to do with the novel, except I'm imagining the characters as vaguely resembling the drawings here.
>>188029>i know some people like to swear up and down that there’s nothing erotic about lolita >and if you read it that way you’re missing the point
Could you explain this, nonny
NTA but i’ll do my best to explain for analysis i’ve read and my own experience reading the book. Lolita is essentially supposed to be a horror story, we read it from Humbert’s perspective, and it’s pretty established that he’s an unreliable narrator, that his vision of Dolores is not how she actually is but how a sick pedophile views an innocent little girl, thinking she’s being flirtatious or sensual when she isn’t, twisting he actions to fit this narrative of her trying to seduce him, he reaches and over examines what she does to fulfill his own fantasy, he doesn’t see the real Dolores but this “Lolita” nymphette version he himself has deluded himself into believing. It’s how pedophiles say children are sexual and can consent, not because they are and can, but because they twist kids actions to fit their own sick desires. Ultimately reading Lolita as a love story or a sexual story takes away from the original intent behind it, which is to show us the inner workings of a sick man who ruins a little girls life because he has completely misinterpreted her actions and their relationship. He manipulates Dolores and her mom, he twists everything is revealed to the reader to make him seem like the good guy and a savior who is ultimately good for Dolores. The closest Humbert gets to being self aware is this >A North American girl-child named Dolores Haze had been deprived of her childhood by a maniac.
The book makes the reader, against their will, see things from Humberts perspective and maybe even sympathize with him at some points, and that’s supposed to scare you, because Humbert is a sick fuck, but being forced to read the book from his perspective he is also manipulating the reader. And this brings me onto my next point, the people who read it as love story, the ones who were successfully tricked by Humberts flowery words and incorrect retelling of events and find their relationship “erotic” and sort of “pure”, those people aren’t able to critically analyze how they have been manipulated along with Dolores.
Now I don’t care for Lolita, I just pulled all of this out my ass to try and rationalize the different ways people see it so yeah take it however you want.
i was the one who made the original post about ada or ardor and i agree with everything you said about lolita however i mainly meant to comment that nabokov has an undeniably erotic tinge to how he writes these things and i would say your job as a reader is to see through it. what makes lolita work as a believable novel is how realistically depicted humberts pedophilia is and nabokov doesn’t shy away from getting right into the mind of humbert and depicting his attraction. it makes it an uncomfortable read but also means some people (mainly men) read it as a love story or sexy thing. ada or ardor is a story about sibling incest between a 12 year old girl and her 14 year old brother and the story is unbelievably erotic and shocking in that regards. lolita is like a walk in the park compared to ada. i haven’t finished the book yet as it’s quite long but i also imagine that it would be a hard story to tell without diving right into the relationship and making the reader believe in it too (i just want to clarify that the characters do not know they are siblings when it begins, the think they are cousins which is still gross but yeah)
ugh i don’t know if i’m explaining this well enough.
i get what you mean, i think – if you blindly go along with it simply because it's convincing, then you've lost his game. if you can understand that it's still disgusting even if being swayed by the pretty language/set up, then you've won.
is that what you meant? because that's how i interpreted your post.
I think also, like….anything that enough women like that it can recognized as a trend gets labeled so it can be made fun of, and women learn quickly to distance themselves from it. Like, yeah, there is a noticeable influx of lit about 20-30something women hollowed out by modern culture, that often contrasts filth and beauty, sex and loneliness, desire for self-reinvention with harmful patterns of social impulsivity, etc. MYORAR, The New Me, Social Creature, etc. But like…so what? Not to get too ranty lol, this is just something that really bugs me. Men get to have movements and trends and new ideas approached from lots of angles, but the minute women do something en masse it's cringy, and none of them are ~really~ into it, they're just doing it to seem ~deep~ or w/e. Even if some Insta models are posing with the book without reading it, so what? Men have gotten to write all the books for thousands of years. Let us write whatever the fuck we want for a while.
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I'm not a manlet chaser or anything, but Jesus the way the mc constantly goes on and on about how teeny tiny and smol she is and how big and tall the love interest is, I fucking my lose shit
because it happens the entire book, I get it he's tall, no need to make it a fetish
If you're into Lynch he wrote this piece:http://www.lynchnet.com/lh/lhpremiere.html
Some of the quirkier elements of his style (such as putting 4-5 conjunctions/adverbs in a row, like "but if when hence anyhow") aren't present in it however
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You're so right! I'm so sick of media getting written off because "girls like it". (Of course this author should absolutely be written off, but for a whole other reason.)
I mostly read contemporary fiction written by women. I love the current wave of sad girl lit, like MYORAR, and I refuse to apologize for that. No man has ever been made to feel bad for reading 99.9% male authors. >>188629
made some great points in regards to this too. As soon as something starts taking off among girls and women - be it Twilight or One Direction - men and pickmes need to shit on it.
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Anyone read Yuzuki Asakos Butter? What are your thoughts on it?
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If you're into animation, Starting Point is a dream. I read it on my commute to work everyday and it was LOVELY,the writing is so expressive and the way Miyazaki's animation is described is perfection. You can see exactly what they're talking about in your head if you've ever watched a ghibli film.
Nonas, please recommend me books. I just recently after years got back into reading again, so no matter what you'll recommend me, I'll probably not have read it if it came out in the last few years. In the past two weeks I read
>Convenience Store Woman and Earthlings by Sayaka Murata
>Kim Jiyoung, born 1982 by Cho Namjoo
>The Remains of the Day by Kazuo Ishiguro
>Breast and Eggs by Mieko Kawakami
None were worse than ~okay~, and I especially liked The Remains of the Day. I liked the way Kim Jiyoung was structured, as in, following her over the course of her life, so books like that would be great, too. Can't stand murder mysteries and crime stuff. Not keen on fantasy-settings either, but stuff like animal protagonists, vampires and wolves and shit are fine. I think I like magic realism, but I can't stand the majority of Haruki Murakamis novels (not even the realistic ones like the Naoko one or the story about that guy searching for some arcade machine). The only one I liked was the short story about the woman who lost her ability to sleep and read Anna Karenina (a book I liked; Please no Tolstoy or Dostoewskiy recs, pretty sure I've read all of their novels (no short stories yet, am looking into them though) already.) plenty of times. I also had to read Perfume by Patrick Suskind, which wikipedia describes as magic realism, for school and liked it. Horror and thriller are fine as long as it's realistic, so no haunted houses or Stephen King (any stephen king. please god no stephen king) please. I'm not sure I like romance; I like media like k-dramas and the majority of games I own are otome games, but so far I couldn't ever get really into romantic novels (I haven't ever read any of the classics yet though, so maybe that'll change once I read my first Jane Austen?). I don't like space stuff or aliens, is all sci-fi like that? I read The Martian by Andy Weir (I liked The Egg) a few years back, and while it was fine the technical stuff bored me to death. Don't like YA and cyberpunk. Dystopian stuff is fine as long as it isn't "We've got to overthrow the government and free the population of it's dictatorshipish regime" in typical YA fashion. All of this has been fiction, but I'd like to get into non-fiction too, so feel free to recommend anything into that direction too, as long as it's not True Crime or WWI and WWII related. Please no series. I'm planning on reading either Wild Swans by Jung Chang or The Vegeterian by Han Kang after I finish Klara and the Sun.
Is this anything to work with? lol
>>189086>following her over the course of her life
jane eyre! it's a classic and follows the life if the titular character, it's very atmospheric and also has romance in it, but it isn't cheesy like your average hallmark movie. i dislike cheesy, gooey romance, but jane eyre is amazing. i also recommend wuthering heights, which isn't cheesy, gooey romance either, and more like psychological drama/trauma.
>horror and thriller are fine as long as it's realistic
you might like the woman in the attic, the wife between us or the girl before.
>so maybe that'll change once I read my first Jane Austen?
jane austen actually isn't supposed to be peak romance, it's more about the complications surrounding women's lives and how romance is supposed to be #1 in their lives and how society stifles them. her novels are kind of misunderstood as being extremely cheesy and romantic because of all the movie adaptations. i myself find her writing boring and tedious, because characters always have these long winded conversations about the most boring subjects, but this again is done to poke fun at society of the time. anyways, i have no recommendations for this because i just steer clear of novels that have romance as their main genre, because i don't care about shy, studious ainsleigh refusing to have sex with beefy chadbert from the varsity football team…
>don't like space stuff or aliens, is all sci-fi like that?
the luminous dead is about a woman exploring a cave in exchange for mad cash, also features a very complicated relationship to another woman whom she is dependent on and who guides her through the caves. it also counts as mystery/thriller/horror.
the handmaid's tale, maybe?
for general crazy bitch novels: necessary people, the new me, the paper wasp, anything by gillian flynn, my year of rest and relaxation…
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okay, so i'm done with "the winter prince". that was a good book even if it was rough in places. anyone else have good gay fantasy books (preferably with some sort of complicated dynamic like incest or hate/love, etc.)
i don't know what makes something 'midde grade fiction' but the writing doesn't feel childish at all. if you love lush descriptions, this book has them in plenty – some passages feel very poetic.
now the plot itself is ok to decent, in my opinion. i'm not a professional writer myself but it does feel disjointed/rushed sometimes, and that's probably because it's a debut novel. >>189110
could you be talking about this? https://original.lolcow.farm/m/res/8561.html#q154970
i just went to google and typed "site:lolcow.farm "anonymous incest diary" btw
Great taste nonna.
I recommend danmei novels by MXTX. All the relationships are complex (the teacher/student being my favorite) and the story, worldbuilding and humour is just great. And of course Captive Prince if you haven't read that.
Most western gay and lesbian fantasy books I've read lately are just so concerned with being as "wholesome and unproblematic uwu" as possible, it's boring as fuck.
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You might like Homegoing by Yaa Gyasi. It's a story that follows two family lines over generations that stemmed from women who were kidnapped and sold into the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Since there are basically no artifacts from first generation migrants, I thought it was cool how she gave a voice to women whose stories have been lost to time. Then it gets into eras which we have more knowledge of, such as the Harlem Renaissance and the lives of contemporary Africans, many of whom are dealing with their own pain regarding lost family. It was Gyasi's debut novel and still won a lot of awards. There are some minimal magical aspects, kind of hinting at intergenerational memories and a few cases of happy coincidences, but I didn't find they detracted from the story at all.
yeah the "uwu good rep!" trend needs to fucking die already; it's utterly boring.
i've still got mxtx on the backburner because i'm too lazy to seek out good translations. do you have any to rec though
lmao, "unlikable female protagonist" op here – oh god, to have The Incest Diary be the only one that someone remembers! But yes, ty nona, that's the post I made! I also wanna second >>189144
– I really liked Homegoing for exactly these reasons.
SVSSS and MDZS have the first book out in an official translation, while TGCF already has 2 (totaling about ~900 pages) here: https://sevenseasentertainment.com/series-danmei/
TGCF is like an epic adventure and is really good, I recommend it.
If you wanna continue reading and can handle some janky fan translations (you get used to it fast though), I'm sure the old complete fan translations are still floating around under epub or pdf format on Libgen.
Thanks! Just saw the /m/ archive thread. Thought they are gone for real. That's a real relief. Will look for my other favourite threads.
Wonder why admin hasn't restored /m/ if it's not been wiped clean…
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It's from a series, but the order's not that important (it's the 17th book and the one I started with). Got me hooked on the first page, then couldn't stop until I was done with the 40 or so other books. Yes it's fantasy, no it's not like any other fantasy book
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can anyone rec good horror? preferably something written by a woman – and nothing misogynistic, of course.
NTA but seconding this.
I read The Hunger by Alma Katsu but didn't really like it.
I've been meaning to read Mexican Gothic by Silvia-Moreno Garcia and True Crime by Samantha Kolesnik.
well i finished ada or ardor and i can’t say i necessarily recommend it. it was really slow and felt aimless. it kind of got annoying only really hearing from the man, van, about how much he loves his sister and how he’s devoted to her (but also can’t help himself from sleeping with every woman and child prostitute he comes across). it was too long and just too impossible to read but i’m sure nabokov felt very clever writing it. i think the best parts were the first part of the novel when you see how van and ada started their incestuous relationship and the part toward the end where lucette commits suicide
but aside from that i probably wouldn’t bother reading this. one of the more disturbing parts of the book, aside from the amount of descriptions of attractive barely-pubescent girls was when van visited a brothel and nearly had sex with a young boy except the boy was suffering from digestive problems which produced unpleasant outcomes for any man wanting to fuck him. just disgusting
idk overall it just felt like lolita but more long winded and just plain worse
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i'm reading her body and other parties right now and i really liked the especially heinous story. i'm surprised that so many people disliked it. i feel like it would make a really good horror podcast, similar to the magnus archives, maybe? i'm glad i gave this book a go because i didn't like in the dream house by the same author.
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I’ve been listening to the audiobook for this and It’s so upsetting (the content). I do highly recommend it to nonnies who enjoy history and women's history though it’s extremely eye opening.
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Does anyone have a good book (or even graphic novel/manga) rec for something like Valley of the Dolls? I own Helter Skelter and just looking for more to read in this genre of women and the dark underbelly of showbiz
I suspect you've already had this recced (possibly by me on some thread somewhere, lol), but definitely check out Moyocco Anno's work – I'd say Memoirs of Amorous Gentlemen especially, though it's more "dark underbelly of 'glamorous' courtesanry."
Another comic: Snotgirl, which I think is three volumes deep. Very anxious, snarky, cutting look at a mega-famous LA influencer who is privately a whacked-out mess who is also becoming obsessed with a bizarrely perfect girl who's new on the scene.
Blonde by Joyce Carol Oates is a huge undertaking and has also been adapted into an apparently heinous movie starring ana de armas
and it gets pretty weird, but I also think it has some genuinely fantastic writing and really captures the glamour/fucked up edge. Fictionalization of Marilyn Monroe's life.
The Final Revival of Opal and Nev is less glamorous, but I really liked it. Don't be fooled by the title – it's definitely Opal's story. Framed as an oral history of a cult-fave art-rock '70s duo made up of Nev, a lovably-dweeby British dude, and Opal, a super avant-garde young black woman from Detroit. Nev went on to become Elton John-ishly famous, Opal didn't hit those heights but has had a solid career. Their time together is intertwined with a violent incident (think Altamont Free Concert) even they don't yet know the whole truth of. It covers a lot of ground, but what I loved the most is how well it captures the way fame is especially fickle for women. If you'd like something that doesn't totally destroy the heroine who looks the abyss of showbiz in the face, this is a good choice.
If you're at all interested in poetry, Amber Tamblyn's Dark Sparkler is a collection about dead actresses. Tamblyn is an actress herself, which makes this especially interesting – and not in a "oh neat" way, she's a genuinely great writer.
This was everywhere a few years ago, but still worth mentioning: Daisy Jones and the Six. Like Opal and Nev, a faux oral history about a '70s band. Looks at the drama and crisis and triumph behind their success, especially their era-defining album. If you're at all into audiobooks, the cast for this one is amazing. Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo by the same author might also be worth a look, though tbh I think it's a weaker work.
Don't remember its details super well, I remember liking Ella Berman's The Comeback. Young actress who had a big messy downfall attempts to make, yes, a comeback, while also having to face her Dr. Luke-ish manager.
Dietland is less showbiz exactly, but I think it has that demented/brilliant edge Valley of the Dolls captures. A woman considering lap band surgery ends up entangled in a bonkers plot involving teen magazine advice columns, someone/some people who are possibly a feminist terrorist cell murdering high-profile rapists, and fad diet empire heiresses. Really searing satire of the beauty/diet industry, but also just really pleasantly insane (there's a bit that's like, four straight pages of increasingly absurd lipstick shade names).
Also slightly adjacent to showbiz, but If I Had Your Face. About four women in modern Seoul, very focused on the beauty industry, plastic surgery, hostess bars, etc.
Delayed Rays of A Star – tbh I remember thinking this missed a few marks, but I did still enjoy it, and admired its ambition. Probably the most literary book on this list, in that you might find it a little pretentious, but if it clicks, it clicks. Based on an actual photograph taken of Leni Riefenstahl, Anna Mae Wong, and Marlene Dietrich – charts their lives before, during, and after it was taken. Really interesting contrasts and overlaps.
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just finished outlawed, really loved it. any other recs for something of a similar vibe? (also any westerns that are different from the normal 'cow wrasslin' folk' story)
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ooooh i've been eyeing this one for a while but have been turned off but the "western" aspect of it. would you mind giving me a brief synopsis anon?
i just finished reading upstream by mary oliver. i liked it and got what she was going for, but probably would have enjoyed it more if I knew a more about naturalist writings
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started reading snow crash yesterday. ngl the writing is kinda 'off' at times. I wouldn't go so far to say that it's corny…but it's kinda corny. I still like it though
You should give it a shot, nonna. There's no gender bullshit in the book at all, so you don't have to worry about that. The romance is good and twisted, and the female side characters are written like actual people, so no ftm internalized misogyny. I really loved it. >>191418
Glad you're enjoying it so far. Have you ever come across anything else similar to it btw? I can't find anything else like it.
it's the same for me. i think it's because flipping pages, readjusting the book, readjusting your body's position, re-focusing on the text actually takes up more time than we think. when i read on my e-reader, i only move my eyes and click a button to flip the pages. when i read a physical book, i constantly have to flip pages, then the book tilts forwards or backwards a little, i have to readjust my position because my arm fell asleep or the book is so chunky to hold that it gets uncomfortable fast, etc.
i like seeing the visible progress through the pages when reading physical books, but ereaders are just way more comfortable when lying down.
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YA but imo enjoyable even as an adult - the Old Kingdom/Abhorsen trilogy by Garth Nix. Also The Hearing Trumpet by Leonora Carrington, which is kind of Alice in Wonderland-ish but the protagonist is a 92-year-old woman.
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Talking about unhinged female protagonists, what are your thoughts on Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn?
I watched this first as the HBO series and it's absolutely one of my favorites. Wanted to give the book a try since I love Gillian Flynn, but the tone is a bit different from the series - less serious, reminds me of MYORAR which I read recently.
It's the first book I have read from her. I wanted to watch the series because of Amy Adams because the plan gets procrastinated constantly.
Anyways, I think the book is great. I don't really have much complaints about it. The decisions the protagonist makes can be understandable with how she is, except the fact she slept with a minor iirc, wtf. Also the ending was weird. Every page has the protag drink and in some way I felt my kidneys begins hurting from reading through it.
I can't review it properly considering it's been years since I read it, sorry.
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Any recommendations for good social history books by/about women? Just finished picrel which is about the lives of the five canonical victims of Jack the Ripper and liked it a lot for the dignity and insight it gives into women's lives at the time, so I'd love to find other stuff about re-analyzing what I would say is "well-established history" with a more feminist lens, if that makes sense.
It's been described as true crime which I normally don't enjoy either, but if there are any similar books about modern cases where the focus is on the victims rather than the perpetrator, I'd be open to that too.
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Hypatia is a very famous one. She was a mathematician, teacher, philosopher and the last curator of the Library of Alexandria. Unfortunately it's difficult to piece together facts about her from so long ago. I've heard Flow Down Like Silver is good but not super academic and incorporates some fictional storytelling, where Hypatia: The Life and Legend of an Ancient Philosopher tries to only recount what is actually known.
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this book was really weird
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Has anyone else read The Secret History? I'm about halfway through and enjoy it a lot. I love books that are really atmospheric (describing the scenery, the daily lives of the characters, putting detail into what the characters are eating, etc.) Does anyone have an "atmospheric" book they recommend?
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Another one for the unhinged women pile. Acts of Desperation by Megan Nolan, about a woman who's unable to find validation outside of a man. It's a little painful to read about her being so obsessed with some idiot guy, but it's told through a lens of self awareness. I thought it had some good things to say about the way men behave and how it can influence how women see themselves. It was very cathartic to see her find some peace away from men at the end.
Some of my favorites are Hannah Arendt, Bell hooks and (controversial I know) Ayn Rand. Rand and Arendt are both political philosophers that talk a lot about totalitarianism. Rand had some really dumb opinions, but she has a lot of really great anti-religion writing and some things she's written about the value you should place on your own happiness really speak to me as a woman.
Arendt was a holocaust survivor and wrote about a lot of different things, but is most known for her analyses of how people are able to do terrible things when put into certain environments.
Bell hooks is definitely best known for feminism and anti-racism, but she also has written a lot about other philosophical topics. All About Love is really well liked.
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Here's a rec if you're in the mood for a good ugly cry. I enjoyed it but it is extremely sad. Can anyone recommend me books with similar themes of the relationships between generations of women, but more upbeat? It'd be dope if they're somewhat autobiographical or surrounding actual historical events, but I'm open to pure fiction.
The way I've heard some people talk about this book was like it was mind blowing and they'd sell their souls to read it for the first time again. I was a little bit underwhelmed but I did like it. It got me into learning about ancient Greece and Rome.
I just read Catherine House and even though I didn't like it that much it was pretty atmospheric. Also gothic novels tend to be pretty atmospheric.
Not OP, but I had a big Rand phase and still have….I guess I'd call it a certain fondness for her. I would rather die than talk about her with men though
I agree w/ OP in that approaching her work specifically as a woman is rewarding, even when I disagree w/ her. And honestly she'd probably fucking hate that we're discussing reading her "as a woman," but uh, sorry, Ayn, it was always a factor. Selfishness: The Unknown Ideal is the one I'd point to, and the biography Goddess of the Market. Can't speak for OP, but it's like…in some ways, she represents the worst version of myself I could have become if I'd stayed extremely nlog-y. But there is still something arresting about her. There just really isn't any other intellectual female figure quite like her out there – she's not a trad-y conservawife, she's not even all that culturally "American" (though she'd disagree). Her opinions mimic ones we encounter a lot in the mainstream, but came from wildly different life experiences, and she did not feel beholden to fitting them into certain common shapes. Tbh sometimes I'm not sure where my interest in her as a person begins and my interest in her ideas ends, but either way, I think she's worth spending time with – even if you do spend a lot of that time kinda mad at her, lol.
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This is oddly specific, but are there any fictional books about hardworking career women? Can be any time period or any kind of career.
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Have any of you read this? If so is it worth reading before the movie comes out?
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>>192221>unhinged women pile
I get a lot of my recommendations for these here and I know other anons ask for similar reads pretty often so I went through the old threads and tried to compile books that were described along these lines in a chart. Hopefully this is a little more convenient to other nonas
Omg. The nona we need AND the one we deserve right now – this is going to come in so handy. Honored to see some of my picks on here.>>193239
Ooh, ty for reminding me of Nightbitch–I've been meaning to read it for a while but totally forgot it'd come out. I'm betting this'll be another one to add to our Unhinged Woman Pile.
Food recs….Like Water for Chocolate is a classic. Also, it's a graphic novel, but Lucy Knisley's Relish. If there are any recipes in it you can eat with your diet, def try them out – I think I've cooked everything except the lamb in that book, and it was all good!
supper club by lara williams and sweetbitter by stephanie danler could belong on both the unhinged women pile and the food descriptions recs>>193229
also sympathy by olivia sudjic, animals by emma jane unsworth and problems by jade sharma have got to be on here
Problems definitely fits in. I was sad to hear Jade Sharma passed away a few years ago. I think Problems was based heavily on her life. I'll check out your other recommendations!>>193229
Thanks for making this, nona!
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I finished this book a few days ago. I don't really know how to feel about it. I read Home Before Dark last year and wasn't very impressed. I think Lock Every Door was better but still kind of just.. eh. Some moments were really suspenseful and creepy, yet when the reveal came I still just felt underwhelmed somehow.
There's something about Riley Sager's writing that I just don't vibe with. It's hard to articulate but it feels kind of like he tries really hard to rationalize everything in the book. Like he's writing the book and sitting there trying to think of every possible hole a reader could poke in the plot and then debunking it and it doesn't feel subtle. But Idk if I'm just imagining it.
I also didn't appreciate how self deprecating the protagonist was in the beginning of the book. She had multiple monologues just about how undesirable and poor she was. At one point a guy flirts with her and she's like "this kind of guy NEVER even looks at me". Not that women don't have thoughts like that but he just went over the top with it. It really felt like man-writing-a-woman-syndrome at those points.
Idk, it feels like I've been let down by pretty much every "thriller" I've ever read. The only one I was ever blown away buy was The Turn Of The Key by Ruth Ware.
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so I finally finished this. I have been wanting to play the games for years but kept telling myself I'd read the books first. I started reading this book 2 years ago and then forgot about it. I finished it it just a few days ago.
gotta say I really didn't enjoy most of it. I found most of the book to be extremely boring. I only liked the ending parts with yennefer. also, I must be retarded because I was confused about some things about the ending and had to look them up. I'm still a little bit confused about some of the things tbh, but I guess it doesn't really matter if you get the big picture. ngl, the part at the end with geralt and yennefer making love got me horny
Yennefer is the best part of those books. Adore how Geralt is crazy for her even though she's a stone-cold bitch that doesn't take his shit and fucks around if it suits her purposes (which is what Geralt deserves, for being a manwhore). I love them together and (scrote) Trissfags can KYS. They all want an uncomplicated waifu that has no life beyond being obsessed over them. Pickme literally fucked her best friend's long-time love interest (an on and off one, yes, but still).
There is a lot to criticize or dislike about The Witcher, but it's really nice that the female love interest is a mature and powerful woman who has as many issues as the scrote protagonist, and not some naive ingénue (aka Triss).
>>194389>some naive ingénue
Agree with you in general but this is just the thing, Triss is not even naive but knowingly sloppy and manipulative. Choosing to fuck your supposed friend’s man by ”convincing” him to have sex with you via magic (some people read this as rape which I’m inclined to agree with)
is next level evil bpd psycho. All while playing the innocent of course. People can say what they want about the books overall but Yen is one of the most admirable and truly strong women in fantasy fiction. Hate how the show focused so much on a made-up traumaporn backstory that’s literally only mentioned in passing once in the books. She is shown to be vulnerable and fallible but primarily she’s a hypercompetent, intelligent heroine in her own right.
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This book was more sad than anything
I've read 4 of her books now. This was one of the better ones tbh. But the protagonist was not the brightest and made some dumb as shit decisions near the end of the book. At one point I was actually like "nooo" out loud at something she did.
I don't think I'll be reading any more of her books anytime soon.
Isnt she only doing rape by magic
in the games, or have I forgotten about it? I've read the series over 10 years ago, so I may have forgotten it. Wow, that would make book Triss even worse and make her behaviour in the Witcher 2 game in character (when I found it OOC in the past).
I want to high five you in regards to everything, but especially the shit TV series. Hardly could watch it, the first season was shit and didn't bother with the second. Also Yennefer's actress really didn't fit, she was too young and didn't have the cold femme fatale energy (someone like Eva Green would be what I'm thinking about).
I usually would be irked about a female character's arc partially being about desperately wanting to be a mother, but it has never bothered me with Yennefer. Maybe because it's only a facet od her story and personality. Also she can be cruelly competent about it, like in the Shard of Ice short story. Her relationship with Ciri felt natural and sweet to me too, I loved it.
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I can't recommend a good book on historical witchcraft in pre-Christian Europe, but I've found a few that might be of interest from digging around. Myth and Symbols of Pagan Europe by H.R. Ellis Davidson looks genuinely interesting and seems to provide correlations between Celtic/Scandinavian traditions. She's done a number of her books on the beliefs/mythos of the Anglo-Saxon/Norse/Celtic. I'd start with her if you're looking for a general history of the folklore of that time. You can find some of these books on Internet Archive if that helps. Another place I'd look into; http://www.neopagan.net/Witchcraft-Rec-Books.html
. They have a lengthy rec page of paleopaganism that can be found on this page.
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Just got this in the mail, very excited to start it
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I really liked the HBO adaptation so I picked the book up. So far it’s alright but it’s verging on just being a edgy moid ‘woe is me’ kind of thing. Any other nonnies read this? I do like that it gives way more info on the Drinkwater family than the TV show did.
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I feel that nonny
, I started reading more novellas and nonfiction and also graphic novels/manga, right now I'm reading the Isle of Dogs book which gives bts look at the making/inspo from the film, it's really nice, and those sort of books that give these kind of tidbits and inspo behind films or anything are what help me when I'm feeling so tired from reading fiction!
wow I came here to post the exact same book lol>>195055
if you want to know more about celts specifically peter berresford ellis and b.c. cunliffe have a lot of books on that. I haven't read them but I think they are pretty solid. don't know a lot of books about the other religions though
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Wings of fire anyone? I just ordered the new book as it apparently similar to warrior cats
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What a coincidence, I was just wondering if the warrior books were worth getting into
I highly recommend warriors cats they are so good maybe you find cockweed
For real there so good there is a few mangas & bunch of special books & field guides
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I wish I could say I was more well read when it comes to classics, but the constant misogyny and racism make them really unpleasant to read (yeah, I know I sound like an sjw).
A couple years ago I read Rebecca and absolutely hated it. Probably mostly because it had been extremely hyped up to me and it wasn't what I was expecting at all, but even if it hadn't been I think I still would have hated it (not necessarily because of misogyny, although I feel like you could argue that book had misogynistic tones in it).
Recently I decided to give Du Maurier another chance and read My Cousin Rachel. I only made it like 1/8 through the book but I swear every other character was always going on some rant about women and how terrible they are. At one point Ambrose even describes himself as a "woman hater". I mean I can stomach a certain amount of misogyny but it just gets tiring when it's in book after book after book.
Have you tried any of du Maurier's short stories? I've always found them way better than her novels. My fave collections of hers are Don't Look Now and The Breaking Point. I can't really remember what they're like for misogyny though (sorry)
But also, don't feel you HAVE to read "classics" if you're not enjoying them. Unless you're studying literature, reading is just a pastime and the "canon" is meaningless, life is short so just read what brings you pleasure
I personally file classics under "They simply didn't know any better" according to their year of publication, whenever there's misogyny before women acquire the right to vote, and whenever there's antisemitism before the shoah>published in 1951
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Sorry wasn't sure where to put this under but does anyone have rec for a good art book I could find on Amazon canada in the vein of the studio Ghibli film art books? Like bts of an animated film/show or even vidya? I have all the ghibli ones available and also a lot of Amano's work (his Illustrations books is so beautiful) but wanted to know if theres a book I have to buy, thanks nonnas!
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I'm finally done with Thomas Herbert's Travels in Africa, Persia, and Asia the Great, a massive book with a massive amount of footnotes. It's a travelogue from an Englishman who went on an embassy trip to Persia and India, and all the other places they went on the way, in 1630.
To me the most interesting thing is that when it was first published it was a slim book and a straight forward travelogue by a young man. But over the years, the final edition came out forty years later, he continually added to the book from what he read about the places he went to and its history. He didn't travel anymore, but he read extensively all the latest books on the relevant sections and included the material embedded in his own travels. So, the short and matter of fact travelogue grew in great size by his added erudition.
An interesting experiment, but I think it was a failure. His digressions are much too lengthy and don't serve to really teach you much about the history of Persia and India, even when there are literally hundreds of pages of nothing but regurgitated history books. And since he wasn't really a scholar and his sources were limited at that age, a lot of the material is distorted and just plain wrong. It tried to combine a travelogue and a history book and it didn't work out well. It's a shite history book, a tertiary source too. But I do think it was an interesting idea and I'm glad I read an execution of it.
I also want to bitch about how my edition omitted dozens of sketches and engravings he did. This is a super scholarly edition that costs $200 retail and you can't even include all the pictures? AND WHY DID THEY OMIT THE PICTURE OF THE SHAH BUT INCLUDE SOME RANDOM SHITE ABOUT SOME RANDOM ISLANDER'S GARB HE SAW OFF THE SOUTH AFRICAN COAST WE TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THAT FUCKING SHAH'S DYNASTY FOR LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PAGES AND YOU OMIT HIS PICTURE???? I think that was a mistake.
Here's his version of a Dodo. I was surprised to hear they didn't taste good. Out of all the places he went to, he probably had the most fun at Mauritius which is kind of funny.
I read it when I was 14 so take this with a grain of salt, but I liked it more. In fact it was one of the rare books I read at a decently fast pace as someone that rarely ever read books as a teen.
I know in online places people will tell you it's better in portrayal of a dystopian society than 1984 because it's less outwardly dystopian, which I thought was true when I read it.
I think it's more interesting than 1984. 1984 is more about how a surveillance state controls its citizens by brainwashing them and repressing them, Brave New World is about how citizens can be subdued by giving them exactly what they want. I think 1984 really can't be applied to today's society (it's more about nazi germany and stalinian russia than cameras in public parks and NSA), while BNW hits the nail on the head about how easily available mindless entertainment renders a whole society apathetic
Of course 1984 criticizes the state while BNW criticizes citizens, so it's easy to see why 1984 is the more popular one (this and the Apple ad campaign). The often forgotten third major dystopian novel is We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which some (including Orwell) thought influenced BNW (which Huxley denied)
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Just finished this. I wasn't crazy about it itself, but it made me really want to read Origen, Porphyry, and Iamblichus and it gave me an excuse to re-read two tractates from the Nag Hammadi codices. Earlier this year, I read a book on different perspectives of the Song of Songs which prominently featured Origen, so I was already interested in Origen. I decided to bite the bullet and I ordered a copy of On First Principles. But damn it's going to be pricey to get a library of Origen.
Does anyone else set yearly reading goals? I want to read at least 50 books this year, read at least 5 books published in 2022 (since I mainly read backlist titles), and finally read the entire LotR trilogy. I'm in a bit of a reading slump right now so I'm not making much progress on any of these goals, but it's nice to have something to work towards. I feel like otherwise I wouldn't read as much.>>197515
I didn't understand a word you just said but I'm happy for you nona
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Read part one of Faust. It was pretty fun, and I managed to catch the references to alchemical and occult concepts. After reading I watched bits of performances online (the Walpurgisnacht scene is my favorite, kek) then found some quirky fanart by Harry Clarke, pic related. Not sure when I will get around to part two since the library doesn't have it. I'd rather read a physical version. I don't mind postponing since I heard the second part is vastly different to the first
I don't make yearly reading goals because I'm really neurotic and I know I'd put too much pressure on myself and start feeling bad if I didn't accomplish them lol. I'm also a mood reader which means I'm extremely fickle about what I read. I can be all excited for a book and then start reading it and get bored immediately.
I've also been sticking to audiobooks as of late. I live with my family who is loud as shit 24/7 and I need dead silence to read. I can listen to audiobooks at work though so that's how I consume most books. The thing is my library has a rather limited selection of audiobooks so a lot of times what I listen to is based on what's available. I also tend to absorb audiobooks better than reading with my eyes which kind of sucks because I actually prefer reading with my eyeballs but it's whatever.
I'm thinking of maybe making general goals though. Like "read 1 nonfiction a month" because I think I could accomplish that. The problem is I tend to set goals way too high.
If you can bear digital books most of Origen's writings can be found herehttps://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Origen>>197523
That's normal, neoplatonists are practically unknown today
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My friend recommended I read this book and its sequel, Hunting Adeline, which I'm about 80% of the way through. It's about a 26-year-old writer who falls in love with her stalker, a man who owns a company working to dismantle human trafficking.
It was alright, but you can tell the author used to write fanfiction because she has a crutch adjective ("feral") and refers to eyes as "pools" or "orbs" quite a bit. BookTok is going nuts over it at the moment, which is why I'm posting about it here. I believe it was even free on Kindle for a while there.
It is largely overhyped. There are several somewhat interesting parts in it but Proust has an absolutely horrid writing style. I'm french so I read the first 2 books in the original french, and I found the english translation actually much more understandable, since a translator's first concern is to make a text readable and Proust is incapable of it. It's still an important series of books, as it spawned numerous authors with similarly unreadable prose (for instance Marguerite Duras, perhaps even helped the creation of structuralism and post structuralism), but reading it is a chore. Proust "enjoyers" usually just read Du côté de chez Swann then drop the rest, and while the first book is a popular read it'd be very hard to find someone who has read all seven books.
However it's possible that something about Proust's style clicks with you, so I recommend to give the first book a try. He may be a pain in the ass to read, but Proust is by no means dull or witless
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I really stopped being into yanderes and the whole "rape and abuse just means you're irresistible to him" attitude past puberty. Sounds like Twilight and 50 Shades for zoomers but even more violent. I get it most women have their mentally ill fetishes but it's sad a lot of them go on to accept that dynamic in real relationships too
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Sadly, I am too autistic for digital. Also, I want my future children to inherit my library. >>197532
Song of Songs: A Biography. It summarized a lot of different schools of thought on the poem throughout the ages, from religious to secular and ancient to modern. It started with Akiva and then Origen. It compared the differences in allegorical readings and then later literal readings. It was an interesting bibliography, basically. Also talked about its influence on Walt Whitman, Herman Melville, and Toni Morrison.
I got a lot out of it, so I'd say it's worthwhile.
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I wish I knew what the exact word for this is besides just being very descriptive but my ESL ass loves books that contain like full on paragraphs describing clothes, foods, etc and wondering if anyone knows a book that has those lush descriptions (better if it’s more realistic and not fantasy) My fav that I just read and looking for similar books basically is Justine by Forsyth Harmon (picrel) - it gave Rivers Edge by Kyoko Okazaki vibes - and was wondering if anyone knew similar books?
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The Game of Thrones series has a reputation for being extra descriptive of food, banquets, etc.
I was reading Fellowship of the Ring (LOTR) and every few pages in the begining of the book they were stopping to describe some big feast or party. It also describes the scenery of the landscape in great detail when they arrive at new locations. >>197841
Thanks nonnas but I’ve read them and that’s why I was asking for more realistic not fantasy works! >>197841
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Ohh I had a friend rec Anne Radcliffe but is there any authors you rec as a good starting point also? kek is this what it takes for me to finally properly learn french?>>197989
Love Carter (just re-reading the Bloody Chamber actually, Morrison and Nabokov, so I'm totally checking out White Oleander
Thank you to every nonna who responded, this gif is for you all!
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I got my Spanish Bible in the mail today. I'm going to read 1-3 chapters a day and I should finish it in 2-3 years.
Pic related isn't my copy, but it's the same version.
No shade, nonnie
, but why is this exciting for you? Are you learning Spanish and wanted to read it, or were you feeling religious?
The cover is really pretty.
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I haven't read Mrs. Dalloway in over a decade, but downloading a copy again and thank you nonna! I only only Marquez who horrified me and turned me of the genre but can trust women so I'll check out your recs!
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Not sure if there's a better thread for this, I couldn't find an alt right lolcow thread. This book is written by an angry young man who has taken literally every black/red/? pill imaginable and is now lashing out in a suicidal rage. The author used to work for Breitbart and is connected to Milo Yiannopolous and Baked Alaska among other alt right figures. Some highlights:
>Praises domestic and international terrorists like ISIS and Kaczynski for "taking action"
>Explicitly calls for mass murder of anyone who isn't white, male, and fit
>"Ironically" suggests people carry out mass chaos and incite anarchy by destroying cell towers, destroying electronics with homemade EMPs, give machetes to the homeless, give 3rd world slaves weapons and send them into major American metropolitan areas, blow up buildings, to name a few
>Has violent, descriptive fantasies about killing women, gay people, jews, black people, Chinese people, and cops. Examples include shooting up a concert, shooting up a gay nightclub, curbstomping women, stabbing his female hairdresser, crushing a woman with a bookshelf
>Whining about the death of God but proclaiming himself a Christian
>Chapters on women range from him admitting he wants a mommy figure to soothe him to calling for a 'whore holocaust'
>Praises /mu/core artists and says that only straight white men are artists. Included references are John Maus, Ariel Pink, Homeshake, Mac Demarco. The author has made music and has a soundcloud.
>Patrick Bateman-esque, strict adherence to lifestyle - only eats pure unprocessed food (raw dairy/meat/vegetables, no alcohol, no energy drinks), lifting weights and screaming to the point neighbors are concerned/cops are called
>Goes on about what expensive clothes he wears, is revolted by people whose outfits cost less
>Bitching about how New York City smells bad and how disgusting homeless people are
Basically advocating for acceleration, genocide, a "hard reset" and retvrn to the woods. A few parts were funny, but most of it is just schizoid ramblings of a disaffected zoomer. I don't disagree with some of his takes on modernity and the industrial revolution but this is pretty disturbing to read
I was considering reading this out of curiousity but sounds like a slog. >stabbing his female hairdresser
classic. man can't cut his own hair and fantasizes about killing the woman who does>Goes on about what expensive clothes he wears, is revolted by people whose outfits cost less
i wasn't expecting this. fascinating.
fight club was a mistake kek. male retardation really never ceases to amaze. useless, disposable creatures.
still waiting on that sheltered storm update after lanza's youtube account got dug up. it changes a lot. I wonder if it'll ever come.
I hate tech and want return to monke, but this is so retarded. He thinks if the world was chaotic and laws relaxed he could be on top, not realising they used to be, and it wouldn't just be subjugating based on sex, race, orientation etc., and that men would be subjugated by other men and one man with enough strength and resources gained by using that strength would just hoarde everything and have harems. He's a seething weak man.
>Only men can be artists.>Writes this.
I think he disproved his own theory.
>Has a sound cloud.
KEK. How embarrassing.
Just another failson reeing that no one recognises how special he is (read; views himself as like a narc).
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I’ve been skipping all of Levin’s parts after the beginning because fuck, he’s so boring and pretentious. He thinks he’s better than everyone else just because he lives in the country? Dude doesn’t even do anything important half the time (I read the chapter summaries.) I won’t rag on the age gaps because we all know how it was 100+ years ago and this was written by a scrote, so.
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French novels are reason enough to start learning french, but 19th century novels (whose figureheads are Victor Hugo, Emile Zola, Stendhal, George Sand, Gustave Flaubert and Honoré de Balzac) aren't a very good starting point if you have a beginner level in french, just as 19th century english novels aren't a good starting point for reading english novels.
I'd say you could start with authors Jules Verne (who has trouble writing women who aren't damsels in distress, but has a style simple enough that he's considered children lit), Marcel Aymé (notably Les Contes du Chat Perché), or even Alphonse Daudet and his Lettres de mon moulin, a collection of short stories among which La Chèvre de monsieur Seguin is a grade school classic (pic rel is a lush description of a goat having fun in the mountain)
Except Marcel Aymé all of these authors should be available on wikisource (https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Lettres_de_mon_moulin
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Nonies, how do you feel about Stephen King’s books? I used to be a huge fan growing up, but I’ve been rereading It out of nostalgia and I’m a little shocked at how… bloated it feels, and very clumsily written at times.
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I tried to get into his stuff and I just couldn't. I read Cell and somewhat enjoyed it but thought surely The Shining is going to be miles better. Started it several times and just couldn't finish it. I feel like his works have a bad case of samevoicedness, the characters all sound the same and don't have a distinctive language of their own. Also the way he writes women is ridiculous (see picrel, not my screenshot). I'm still thinking about picking up Salem's Lot because I like vampire stuff
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Ikr. I feel like he is incapable of writing women without objectifying them. Whenever he writes about a female character, the first thing he writes about is their breasts. Picrel is King's breast-writing compilation, which includes a guy thinking about fondling a dead body to see how hard her breasts are
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I like Stephen King and he's an author I come back to a lot because I know what I'm gonna get from him. He has a few shorter novels that are more tightly written, but in general his novels are full of fluff - personally I don't mind this, but I wouldn't try to get into him if you aren't down for 30 pages of backstory on some old guy down the road that has no relevance to the story. It does annoy me how he can't seem to stop objectifying every female character, especially because King probably sees himself as a feminist. There's also a lot of weird borderline racist stuff in a lot of his books.
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Yes, this annoyed me very much in Salem's Lot especially. There's one meaningful female character in the entire book and she's killed off pretty early while all the men get to participate in the final fight. I did think Rose Madder was very good though, and it's a rare female protagonist from him. It's the book that actually made me like him as a writer. It's been a couple years since I read it though and I wasn't as woken up about feminism then, but at least I remember it fondly.>>199720
Me too! I wish they'd come back in style. Especially for horror.
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God if there's one thing I hate it's modern book covers, I can't stand the monotonous, bland, washed out pastel covers they keep incessantly pumping out. So lazy and boring. I'd love to see more detailed illustrations come back, not just for horror
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I feel like book covers nowadays are either overdesigned (too loud and colorful) or take the minimalist (picrel) route. I hate the too busy covers because…well, since most of book covers nowadays try to catch your attention, none of them will because they just disappear into a uniform, colorful mess. Minimalism I feel ambivalent about because on one hand, it works really well against the overdesigned ones (empty spaces draw attention) and they usually attempt to capture the essence of the book in a visual way, on the other hand lately I have been feeling that I grew tired of seeing them because they are trying to be overly smart with the design and I find this irritating. There was a simplicity to the 70s/80s covers that I really enjoyed because they weren't trying to be smart or attention-catching, they just communicated the mood of the book in a simple way
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am i dummy for enjoying "my year of rest and relaxation"? i wasn't aware it was adopted by the "coquettecore" crowd (which i dislike because it's just lolita shit re-branded).
i get that the protag is a terrible person but i can't help but to understand her/like her as a character because i do see a bit of myself in her. namely abusing anti-psychotics for sleep and thinking i'm so far above my normie friends (i'm trying to break out of these modes of thought, but yeah)
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imo to the worst book covers out there are the ones like your picrel, where they’re trying to be all wink-wink-nudge-nudge clever, and ones like this where it’s barely more than a stock photo and/or is super unmemorable.
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Samefag, here’s a modern book cover I really like that is simple but not snarky, and looks like someone actually put some thought into the art and the book when making it.
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can someone recommend me homoerotic vampire stories? preferably nothing in first perspective.
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Oh also, the Thai Harry Potter covers are super loud with a lot going on but at the same time they’re really well-done and memorable so I like them.
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Hate stock photo covers, but also for no real reason I hate these kinds of illustrated covers, maybe because they remind me of Tumblr-y art in how cluttered and literal they look. I guess it suits the genre since most of them are YA, but I've recently seen classics rebranded with similar cover art, see picrel with Pride and Prejudice.
Probably the worst of both worlds is when it's just a cover based on the movie adaptation though.
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you've probably read it if you're into homoerotic vampire stories but carmilla
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My favorite book covers are from the Discworld novels, where they just crammed as much shit as possible
>>199915>am I allowed to like a book about a bad person even though that's the whole point and that farmers loved long before coquettcore was a thing??? Am I???
You sound like a newfag and a twitterfag at that. We adore uNlIkAbLe WoMeN here (it's high time we got stories like that after we've been brainwashed into empathising with awful scrotes for years), coquettes don't own this fucking book or anything and as mentioned, if you browsed previous threads plenty of nonas related to it.
Asking for permission and explaining how you aren't supporting pRoBlEmAtIc
protagonist makes you look retarded.
Cmon anon, lay off a litle. No one's obligated to read old threads, and we've all been the self-conscious girl bracing for the "NO YOU STUPID BITCH WHO LIKES STUPID THINGS!!!!" hit.>>199915
As you can probably tell anon, plenty of people like this book here. And lol, other anon IS right, anyone who acts like this book is uniquely awful when we live in a world with 24093059 Patrick Bateman books is ridiculous. I think MYORAR is especially good at skewering the protag's superiority complex – it's not something you see much in books by/about women, but it's real and it manifests in ways that are interestingly different from men's superiority complexes imho.
I can never finish books because I start them, read them fast, put them aside to do other stuff like idk, sleeping, eating, going to work, and after that I just procrastinate. I'm considering rebuying the HP books but i English this time (the French translation was good from what I remember but now that my English is more than good enough, why not) and I'm considering continuing the Captive Prince books I started years ago and forgot about. I also want to get back into The 12 Kingdoms because I read the first 3 arcs in French in middle and high school and couldn't afford the rest of the series because I was a poorfag. Aside from that I don't know. I want to go back into reading but I never know where to start because being super busy and tired in high school and uni turned me off reading anything except manga. Maybe I should go back to some French classics I liked like Arsène Lupin, Au bohneur des dames, etc, and I'm interested in le Compte de Monte Cristo, but I feel like I'd dislike most of these authors other books as well. I also want to reread some of Roal Dahl's books for nostalgia's sake, especially Mathilda.
By the way, since finding good josei manga with translations is kind of difficult, what novels would you recommend that are about working women's daily life that aren't pure depression or 100% about romance? I liked the devil wears prada when I read it long ago, so maybe I could look for similar novels. I'm ok with them if they're urban fantasies too btw.
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For working women I really liked Nina Stibbes novels, especially her auto bio and Paradise Lodge (which is part of a trilogy tho and does feature romance but in a funny not very centred way,) and also Sourdough by Robin Sloan (programmer/baker daily life in San Francisco) and Blood Sisters by Yideum Kim (quite sad and depressing though but a personal fav of mine.)
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Been reading this lately, I'm big into folklore studies and stuff like that and I find it in comparison to other fields, tends to have a decent amount of female authors. I find folklore / mythos authors/scholars in general tend to not to be as drenched in misogyny, which after a long time of reading philosophy, became exhausting to pull myself through.
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I feel the same way, anon. Do you like Tell My Horse so far? I love Their Eyes Were Watching God, so I'm definitely intrigued. I've been reading picrel lately, and it's pretty interesting – definitely mostly rooted in Western fairy tales, as that's the author's specialty, but it's still really expansive. She has some very interesting ideas about what the "shape" of the proposed "heroine's journey" might look like, as opposed to Joseph Campbell's hero's journey.
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I found this little book hiding behind a bunch of others in the feminist section of my local second hand bookstore last year. It always makes me smile, and I'm very glad I was able to find it (the sticker on it said it'd been at the store since 2007!)
I just found out the US military has reading listshttps://www.usni.org/press/military-reading-lists
Most of them are what you'd expect (there's even Starship Troopers in one), with a surprising Invisible Women in the air force's list
I love this!!!>>202001
Do it, Nonnie
I sold the five first volumes of the 12 Kingdoms last year or two years ago iirc, despite liking them when I was in middle school. I'm considering rereading them as well as volumes 6 and 7. No way I'll be able to find a copy of the next volumes because they cost at least 300€ or something so if I can pirate them I will. No way I'm ordering the books in Japanese either, they have been reprinted not long ago and I studied Japanese in university but it's a fantasy story inspired by Chinese mythology so I'd be completely lost if I tried to read it and I remember reading the books in French way back and already being lost with some of the explanations about kanji and names. Should I buy volumes 1 from volumes 7? They're fairly cheap.
I'm also considering reading Battle Royale since it's such a classic and I remember liking some of the manga volumes I read long ago. Did it age well? >>200692
Thanks for the reply, I will look into this. What kind of vibe did these books give you? Were they funny, depressing, relatable? I'm honestly ok with romance as long as it's not the focal point of the book. Like in the devil wears Prada, when you see the MC's breaking up with her bf and meeting another guy but it's just a subplot and part of a larger story for example.
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Is The Wheel of Time series worth reading? I started the Amazon series recently and it has its flaws but I thought the premise was interesting and I like the female characters so far.
I’m a little apprehensive because I’ve been looking for a high fantasy series but most of them seem too moidy for my taste and WoT was written by a man so don’t want to be disappointed again… If anyone has any other questions recs along these lines I’d appreciate it too!
Unhinged women anons, I just finished Acts of Desperation based on these recs, and wow. Loved it. It's such a completely naked look at that state of totally abject, totally pathetic need so many women can end up in over a guy – which I found a really interesting contrast to a lot of the other books in our unhinged women pile, actually. Like, a lot of them deal with this, but in a slightly different way – often imho more openly angry (Animal, Any Man) or more abstracted, like degradation from men is just one part of the puzzle (MYORAR, Social Creature, Earthlings, Gillian Flynn's stuff). But Acts is just IN IT the whole way through, and jesus, it's so raw.
Ciaran was so well observed – I don't think I've seen a better portrayal of guys who hate their gfs for being doormats but also repeatedly seek out doormats because they don't actually want an equal relationship. Also, this goes so against show-don't-tell, but I really loved the parts of this book (and others in the pile) that were just her musing and even straight up ranting about why she does the things she does, and how they're pretty understandable and even rational choices to make in the context of most straight women's lives. Seeing how often this approach pops up in a lot of these books kind of has me circling an idea that like…this is kind of a unique and worthwhile literary device in this little canon. I think a lot of women actually do have these little rants going in their heads, which can honestly be something that keeps you sane in an unfair situation b/c it keeps you tethered to the knowledge that this is bs and you're angry for a good reason, and putting it directly on the page is a really vivid representation of that. Kinda still chewing on this idea, but I think there's something really interesting in the divide this highlights between thought and action, and how lots of women, like our unnamed gal here, do things they don't like and KNOW they don't like but don't really know how NOT to do. That final sex scene with the wheedling dude was such a potent example of this.
So, so glad it ends with her alone. I really love that towards the end, she ends up having good, even idyllic times with a few different men – it made that final scene so strong. And I love too that it even kind of faces the loneliness she's feeling in Athens – like, this is hard, and there were comforting alternatives presented, but she's still fucking off.
For Nina Stibbe, her books her just really funny to me, there's some sad/melancholic moments here and there but overall I like how it's (Paradise Lodge one,) basically the story of a girl growing up and it's nice to see her maturing book by book. Blood Sisters was very raw, like it basically calls out the unfairness and misogyny in Korean society and the ending is just so out of left field and not happy but it's got good female friendship and despite the sadness not trauma porn or anything like that at all! Hope you can find the 12 kingdoms btw nonny
, making me want to play Suikoden now
The thing about the female characters only existing to be love interests is not true at all. The books are far from perfect when it comes to female representation but there are some strong female characters that play pretty important roles.
The problem is more the "gender wars" aspect. Some the female characters are insufferable, at least in the earlier books, usually because of how bullheaded they are. And a lot of them will say things like "Men! They can't even tie their shoes without our help!" And then the men will complain about how difficult women are etc. These books have been criticized both for being sexist towards women and men lol.
Other things about this book series is that the plot is slow moving, and there's a bunch of plots and subplots, a million characters, a ton of shit to keep track of and tons of filler in some of the books. Jordan is also overly descriptive with everything, like pages and pages of just fucking describing people's outfits and stuff like that.
>A lot of people say book 4 is the best
Book 4 was my favorite lol. Imo it didn't get good til about halfway through. I just finished book 13 (there are 14 books, not including the prequel). I have a lot to say. I can come back when Im done and write a blog post about it if you guys want lol.
AYRT, thanks for the replies, nonnies. I was mostly concerned with the “gender war” aspect >>203257
mentioned because idk how nuanced a male author could approach it, but might pick them up for the cool world building anyway and see how it goes just as a fun series. >>203257
Definitely post an update! Appreciate how in depth your thoughts are. >>203178
I read this one but didn’t like it as much, but you’ve convinced me to give it a reread. I think it was just difficult to read because of how raw it was and how degrading and humiliating her relationship with Ciaran is. With stuff that’s more abstract or angry like you mentioned, it feels more removed and surreal, like parts of Any Man and Earthlings. So in a way I guess Acts is more uncomfortable because it’s more « mundane » in its subject matter and there’s not this explosive cathartic conclusion, but your post made me reconsider the ending more in vein of what kind of story it is.
Acts anon here. That's a really interesting distinction – I didn't think to think of Any Man/Earthlings/etc as being more cathartic b/c they're more abstracted, but that's totally true. And I love that tbh, and can def see how a lot of people wouldn't love Acts for being comparatively mundane – not saying this is you, but like, I have some friends that just really don't have it in them to get THAT up close and personal with this kind of degradation, and honestly, that's fair.
But yeah, I think there's really something to its ending being a cascade of shit – I think I really like that there's a contrast between Ciaran being his absolute worst and then the wheedling guy being "better" but infuriating her in this totally new way. It's like she's realized this is all on a continuum, which has trapped her in an awful cycle for years, and even the "nice guys" pull shit – but she can just step out of it. And I think it's especially powerful b/c the book is SO open about how degraded and pathetic this process can be for women, how much it makes her into someone we'd honestly maybe post about here….but it still ends on her side, with her enjoying the ocean because it helps her connect with her body in a way that has nothing to do with men. She can still come home to herself, despite everything. Report back later anon, whether or not you agree!
There's this book called The Idiot, and it is needless reading it because if you looking at it is exactly like reading it. It's kind of like getting into philosophy. You read a bunch a shit and you don't come out of it any better. Basically, you come out of it the same as someone who's been banned from an imageboard at least three times. Or it's like diarrhea, with these books: the first shit isn't distinct from the others. It's a coming of age zeitgeisty (Sally Rooney, if I find you it's on fucking sight, you better know how to run) book called the Idiot about a Turkish-American girl from New Jersey who goes into Harvard. Now, with one person pointing a gun at you, and the other covering your eyes: can YOU – the nonny reading this – guess the identity of the author? Yes, yes, oui, it's a Turkish-American Harvard graduate….from fucking New Jersey. Just how much this state will continue to launch upon us an assault of complete retards? Just like Sally Rooney was a Trinity college graduate studying literature. And a Marxist, KEK. Fucking self-inserts. These are are being heralded as contemporary greats right now – self-inserts by literary women, obsessed with the liminal space between adolescence and adulthood almost to a point of fetishization, all solipsistic and obnoxious and, most of all, boring. Here's a radical statement for once: your individual experiences don't matter. And if this trend continues I will start kidnapping publishers and I will gouge their eyes out. "I didn’t have any other life I could write about.” Don't fucking write. Put down the pen. You're better than that. Oh, and don't get me fucking started on the pop culture references. Oh, Mrs Self Insert listens to Fiona Apple? Regina Spektor? Of course. "Navigating adulthood", kek – navigate the physics of my fucking baseball bat
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I picked up this book and really enjoyed it. What are some books like it? (quick f5 search itt tells me it's a tiktok aesthetic book? fuck me)
Also, I spotted a book in a bookstore earlier this year and forgot to write down the title and now I can't find it anymore. It was something about a woman accusing a charismatic man/professor of something and something to do with greek mythology or greek statues? Vague I know that's all I remember, anyone recognize it and can tell me the name of the book?
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Bumpety-bump? Anyone read her stuff?
I have Piranesi, I read the first few pages and then forgot about it. I want to keep reading it but haven't yet. But from what I read it seemed really bizarre (in a good way). I've heard really good things about Piranesi across the board though. No interest in reading Jonathan Strange lol.
I'd suggest reading Piranesi first. Even if you don't like it it's a short book.
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Has anyone read the book the show Made for Love was based on? Is it any good? I like the show but I was wondering if the book differs largely in tone or plot
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Nonas, how do you go about finding new books to read?
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I've been in a major reading slump the past few months, but I recently read Jillian by Halle Butler and I liked it a lot. I believe it's been mentioned a few times in this thread in the context of unhinged women books. The protagonist works a job she hates and she has a heavy dislike for her co-worker Jillian. It really spoke to the depressed spiteful part of me that hates everyone and everything.>>203686
It's a quick read, and it's worth it in my opinion. It's pretty different from the show and a lot weirder, I like both.>>203178
I'm the anon who originally posted about Acts of Desperation - I'm glad you enjoyed it! You articulated a lot of my thoughts on it a lot better than I could have.
oooh this sounds so good and somewhat relatable KEK
, I'm gonna check it out. Also love the book cover
I liked this one too, I related to the protagonist for the same reasons kek. The parts from Jillian’s perspective were really good. I read The New Me by the same author and I liked it as part of the unlikeable-female-protagonist genre but it felt almost unfinished in comparison and I think having another main character made the narrative a lot more compelling. I feel like I’m digging myself into increasingly specific requests, but I really want to see more books about unlikeable, directionless older women like Jillian more often.
You might also like Eileen by Ottessa Moshfegh if you haven’t read it already.
Thank you for this chart, I just finished Animal by Lisa Taddeo and I feel like I got the wind knocked out of me. At parts it was difficult to read, not necessarily because of the content, but just because of how gratuitous some of the details were. But I'm glad I finished. I'm starting Convencience Store Woman tonight and I have high hopes. >>203079
I stopped reading on the sixth book but I plan to finish it. There's some sexism, but it's not violent or anything. I often can't read books that I find too misogynistic and I didn't have any problem with WoT. If you like fantasy go for it. The series is long enough that it ends up feeling comforting to return to it, at least for me anyway.
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Couldn't agree more. You've reminded me of this bell hooks quote, which I think about a lot. If the only books published by women for ten years were Sally Rooney books, that would be a grain of sand compared to the ocean of navel-gazing bs men have produced. And I'm so much more concerned about women writers who'll stop themselves from writing b/c it might be omg cringe than I am about, idk, there being a lot of books by women I'm not into? I can read other things. Luckily, we're living in an age of women writers in a wide variety of genres.
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so I read this book because I just wanted some entertainment/hot trash and it delivered (I mean, it's well written, but the subject matter is hot trash) it's about a sugar baby/sugar daddy relationship gone wrong. I liked the twist at the end too. it kind of took the opposite turn from what I thought.
but one thing that stuck out to me is the main character is a 21 year old NYU art student. the book was written in 2019 and set in modern day. it mentions her art student friends and how liberal and anti gun they are and they all have tattoos and piercings etc. yet when they find out she's a sugar baby they're disgusted, they disown her and call her a whore. but in real life wouldn't they be like "hell yeah, SWIW, get that bag girl!!" or am I wrong? that part just felt kind of unrealistic imo
>>204155>How similar is Hunger Games and Battle Royale
Not super similar, not sure what the weeab teacher means. Both only really have the concept of a battle royale between children and government/class commentary in common.>Aduly Urban Fantasy Reccomendations
I read a lot of Urban Fantasy and have a big back catalogue, though I'm not sure about recommendations. I really just read everything and don't have a super high standard. Night Watch by Sergei Lukyanenko is good and probably the 'deepest' urban fantasy I've read, though not many so far I've read have been introspective. It is also translated from Russian and a little stilted/different in a way I enjoyed from English novels.
Mark of The Demon by Diana Rowland reminds me of the Shin Megami Tensei series, as well as Archangel Protocol by Lyda Morehouse, and World's End by Mark Chadbourn if you're into video games.
The Restorer by Amanda Stevens and the rest of the series is a decent gothic urban fantasy I enjoy about a woman who works restoring graveyards and often gets involved with the goings on in the places she works.
Anons have recommended Come Closer by Sara Gran for something less pulpy about a woman who gets possessed.
Wither is a good witch novel about a group of women and one girl bonded by a witch who was killed in their down and has become the central selling point of the town.
What kind of Urban Fantasy are you looking for, anon?
Imo pj is a lot less readable than hp and did not stand up to the test of time as well. Riordan has this thing where he makes a lot of 'witty' quips and pop culture references in his writing. It gets worse in later series and makes them basically unreadable, but in the og percy jackson books it can still be pretty annoying. I loved them when I was in middle school but they lost their appeal fast and I don't think I'd try to re-read them again. Honestly apart from being childrens/YA and having a setting with magic, they're not similar to HP at all.
Comparing hunger games and BR… They're pretty similar in plot but not so much in execution. I don't think it's plagairism though, and probably not even inspiration. Battle Royale wasn't popular in the west until after the Hunger Games iirc. But definitely read Battle Royale if you get the chance, I read it while on lockdown from a shooter so maybe it seemed worse to me but that book was one of the scariest I've ever read.
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just finished this up. i thought it was alright, the ending was totally expected imo. to me it's one of those books that get shilled as deep when it's really nothing new or revolutionary
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Yep he's serving a life sentence! I wasn't in any immediate danger or anything hence why I could read. >>204233
I haven't read the books in a while but yes, it's pretty bad, especially in the later spinoff series. At one point Apollo got snapchat and that was when I stopped reading. I think the first series is still alright though and you might enjoy them enough to get over the cringe.
On the subject of bad books, has anyone read picrel? I'm tired of writing full sentences so:>Lesbian mc constantly talks about porn >Set on a space ship in a different world where necromancy is real >Still has multiple pop culture references for some reason>No world building, nothing is ever explained>15+ characters introduced in the space of a few chapters >First two thirds of the book involve nothing happening while the mc walks around not knowing what's going on>Ending consists of multiple twists showing various characters have been dead/reanimated this whole time and then main character dies killing a villain that was literally just introduced
I started reading the next book in the series, Harrow the Ninth, because why not>One of the main characters literally says "choke me daddy" within the first three chapters>God is introduced as a character >God is all powerful but also doesn't know everything but also knows everything and is also a guy>More random unexplained magic >Everyone is immortal now yadda yadda yadda>Every single likeable or funny character from the first book has been killed off
I'm going to finish it out of pure spite. Will probably end up reading the next book in the series too.
>>204240>At one point Apollo got snapchat and that was when I stopped reading
Obviously I have no context for this but this gives me some "how do you do fellow kids" vibes. Isn't the writer also the guy who bragged online at some point because unlike JKR his books are inclusive and have trans characters? Or something like that? I'm morbidly curious now, maybe I'll pirate the movie adaptations because I'm too lazy to hate read anything.
>lesbian necromancers explore a haunted gothic palace in space!
kek that's already too much for me
I refused to read that purely because the author claims to be a lesbian despite having a whole ass husband she isn't leaving she was also called out for writing child rape fanfiction tho I'm not 100% sure about that
no way someone that crazy could write a decent lesbian story. Ty anon I feel vindicated by your post kek
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What non-fiction books have you read recently? Finally read Invisible Women after seeing it recommended so much and I loved it! I went to read reviews on Goodreads which was a mistake. So many people reeing about inclusivity and troons>>204240
I read Gideon and liked it but it's definitely not for everyone. Shame that the author is Like That
I bought this book because I heard a lesbian had wrote it and I was really excited to see some rep. Then I discovered that not only was that a lie but the book itself is just mediocre. I agree with your points nona.
I'm about halfway through and I don't know if I can take it anymore kek. I feel like I can get into any genre if I'm told a good story, but this just isn't it. I'm pissed that this was shilled to me.
I googled this and damn you're right. I understand thinking you're straght and realizing later in life you're gay, I understand thinking you're gay and then realizing later in life you're bi (did that myself kek), but I don't understand realizing you like women and men and deciding to call yourself a lesbian. Why not just say bisexual? I wouldn't give a shit if a bi in a het relationship wrote some lesbian romance, I wouldn't even give a shit if a straight girl wrote lesbian romance. But there's something so skeevy about her calling herself a lesbian while being in a happy relationship with a man. Like lesbian is just a funky aesthetic for her, not a real sexuality.
Still going to finish hatereading the series though. I started it because a girl I like recommended it to me, so if these books kick off one actual girl/girl relationship I will forgive the author for her homophobia.
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I get anons' concerns, but I'm gonna stick up for these books. I was pretty sure I wouldn't like them, but tbh the memey jokes only really bugged me a few times – this is a world with comic books, fast food, and electricity, so imho it fit to have modern slang present. I also get people's irritation with her husband and tbh I don't know what's going on there, but I'm also fucking shocked by how really unabashedly female-centric these books are. I keep bracing for gender shit and it never comes – the focus really is on a wide range of female characters, the lesbians really are lesbians, and Gideon really is butch.
Harrow the Ninth is a HUGE departure, so I'd encourage anyone who isn't 100% on board with GtN to at least check it out. But honestly I loved it way more, and I think she's actually doing something really interesting with the God Is A Normal Guy Now thing. This gets a little lost in the marketing imo, but I think the series plays around with religion as worldbuilding in a really unique way. I don't wanna say too much and spoil anyone interested, but there definitely seems to be an endgame in mind with all her weird mixing of pop culture, Catholicism, and classics stuff. We'll have to see where it lands, but for now, it really doesn't feel quite like anything else I've read – and with such a huge focus on women to boot.
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This book was fucking terrible.
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Just finished this one, I think the author managed quite well to give the feeling of someone obsessing over a lost love and distant memories. It also describes quite well the overwhelming feelings you get as a teenager when you feel strong sexual desire for someone for the first time. It was better than the movie IMO.
Nta but here you go nonny
. Not a pdf though but it can be converted.https://b-ok.lat/book/11304167/724251
I'm currently listening to this as an audiobook while I work. I like it okay but I'm having the same problem with it that I had the first book–it's strangely confusing. I don't think it's a me problem because I've read plenty of objectively harder books with no problem. I feel like the author never explains things enough. On the other hand I'm not used to listening to audiobooks so that might be the problem lol. >>204335
Why? I love hearing about bad books.
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A Fine and a Private Place by Peter S Beagle is one of my fav comfy urban fantasies. He's one of the few male authors I genuinely stan for since his novels, like his more famous The Last Unicorn are just good fantasy with intriguing characters. I recommend both. The latter is more high fantasy but it's also one of the few high fantasies I genuinely think everyone should read.
I second you on both of those books. They are wonderful.
I sadly dropped Innkeeper's Tale – what's your opinion on it?
NTA, I read the Inkeeper's Song a long time ago. I remember liking it overall, but other than that I hardly remember it.
It does have multiple sex scenes in it though, including one weird orgy scene with like 4(?) people having sex. In my memory the scene seemed kinda random too, like there wasn't a lot of/any build up. Another thing that I've heard people say they don't like about it, well, it's kind of a spoiler, so without mentioning specific names a male character uses magic to appear as female. He has sex with a female character who thinks he's someone else in the orgy scene. Later these two characters have a romance
It didn't really bother me all that much, but it did feel kind of strange and unnecessary.
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I bought it for the cover back in the day because it was designed by a local illustrator that I liked, but the book itself I didn't have strong feelings about tbh. As this >>204535
anon said, that one orgy scene was so random and uncalled for.
I can't recall specifics about the plot but it had that 'stillwater' feeling that magical realism usually has and I felt like it was as adventurous as I would have liked it to be
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Just finished picrel and to be honest, I was a bit disapointed. I like it, but it felt like it never really started. All the elements for it to be a new favourite were there but none of them came together in the right way. The ending where she doubts whether her mother is faking dementia in order to manipulate her was the best part, but then obviously it was over, and nothing could be elaborated on. I feel like literary fiction walks a thin line between being thoughtful and being boring and this book crossed that line.
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I don’t even know what does keikaku means, I will never be able to read the novels.
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Just finished this and it was boring asf zzzzz I’m surprised I managed to finish it. Watered down Twitter thread type of feminism. Booooooring
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I'm almost finished Harrow the Ninth and I just don't like it at all anymore. The first book was better for me since it felt more fun, like I didn't have to worry about taking it seriously so I didn't notice the flaws. But the second book really wants me to take it seriously, and when I do take it seriously I have to confront the fact that it's just not good. I don't like or care about any of the characters. Every single character could die and I would feel exactly the same. Tamsyn really committed to using the second person voice for certain chapters which was an interesting choice. Not good but interesting. I don't like to not finish books so I'll finish it but at this point I'm forcing myself to. Maybe it will get interesting in the last 10 chapters?
I feel like I have a problem of being too critical of books I read. But for me, hating a book is almost as good as liking it, and even books I love I want to criticize. So being boring is worse than being bad. >>205556>>205559
I googled those books and they look interesting. I hope they arrive in good condition. Are you reading them in japanese or is it an english translation?
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I need help from someone who's read Dune
I went to a bookstore and asked for dune, the cashier told me they only have this book which is part one of a spin off series. Apparently original dune has a different cover and they didn't have it. Is it a spin off? Or was the cashier wrong?
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Am like 90% through this one and honestly it’s kind of dragging. I thought the first half was fantastic — and I thought it was going to end up being more of a psychological thriller than a legit horror. It might have even been better that way. After that first half though, it just gets kind of tedious and meandering. Hats off to the legit unhinged autist protagonist though, she is definitely not a stock character kek
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i've been reading anne frank's diary for the what feels like 100th time since they released a special anniversary edition (picrel) two weeks ago. the cover is supposed to look and feel exactly like the actual diary anne wrote in.
now that i'm older it hits me even more how sad it is… she's so hopeful and optimistic about the future, talking about kids and getting married and life after the war, but you know it's never going to happen. it's so depressing.
it's taking me forever to read it though, since i started a full time job over a month ago and my reading habit has basically vanished. it sucks because i spend two hours commuting every day but i get sick when reading in a moving vehicle, ugh.
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I just finished picrel. I don't know how I feel about it but I guess I liked it? For a lot of the book I found it boring and wondered when it would get started. Then the ending felt like everything happened at once. Maybe it's one of those books you have to chew on in your mind for a bit before you can fully appreciate it. I was expecting to like it a lot more because the author keeps getting mentioned in reviews for books that I loved. Slightly related but I get so tired of reading about how evil men are sometimes, like yes it's true but I don't always need to be reminded. >>206303
This is what I use goodreads for. 99% of the books I read are ebooks and it's nice to be able to see all the covers in one spot, like a virtual bookshelf. The stats are nice too, showing how many pages you've read each month and so on. I also like reading book reviews but only after I've finished the book. Otherwise I find they kind of ruin it for me. >>207885
I'm not sure if I have any recs for exactly what you're looking for, but there are a lot of memoirs from people who've left cults and religious groups that I enjoy reading, and if you've ever been rejected by family you might relate to them.
I liked DIHH, but I get what you mean where the ending pulls it all together and it’s sort of boring until then. I kept starting it and putting it down to finish later because it’s so slow going. I would say DIHH is Moshfegh’s least popular work for that reason, maybe you’d like Homesick for Another World, a collection of her short stories, more.
The older female protagonist living in the woods alone was a pretty cool premise though, wish there were more books about older women that weren’t horribly depressing.
NTA obviously – I have found this book a giant waste of time. Nothing happens through it and then the ending is a "it was all just a dream" type bullshit which rendered the story even more pointless
I liked the short parts about heroine's fucked up marriage though. I also agree that it's cool to see a book about an old lady.
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Nonnies, do you have any good recommendations for e-book reader that can easily receive illegally downloaded books ?
For public domain books either Project Gutenberg or Wikisource, for other books libgen
If you live in a country that blocks libgen, changing your DNS to Google's DNS should bypass the block
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Now I'm not saying that Edgar Allan Poe was a bad writer, just that I could have written it better
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completely unrelated to your post but I remember the summer before sophomore year of highschool the honors english students had to read Fahrenheit 451 before starting the school year and we everyone one of us as students agreed the premise is interesting and fascinating but reading it was a chore because of picrel,i got the book from the teacher on june 4 and Ray Bradbury the author died the very next date
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Nonna's what is the most moid hating book that you rec? One that just drips with disdain for the lesser sex?
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That's an easy one
The latest two I've enjoyed were Guns Germs and Steel and The Better Angels of Our Nature, the first one is about why some civilizations progressed faster than others and the second is on why the current era is the safest humanity has ever been
Both clearly have their faults (GGaS has been criticized by historians for oversimplifying many events, notably the spanish colonization of the americas; TBAooN introduced some esoteric bullshit as fact at some point) but the gist makes sense and they will change your perspective on humanity
Now that I think of it The Selfish Gene is also perspective changing…
If you're interested in history I recommend the r/AskHistorians reading list, which is exclusively made of serious books written by historians, on nearly all topics and for all reader levelshttps://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/wiki/books
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is picrel actually good or is it just overhyped reddit moid stuff?
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well nonnies, looks like we got a new title trend coming, even though smeyer did it first with the short second life of bree tanner.
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I thought the first one was this one (released 4 months before the short second life)
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so this book is about why alcohol is bad, particularly for women. I've seen more than one woman talk about how she quit drinking because of it. it peaked my interest, because even though I don't drink myself (not for moral reasons, I just don't like it) pretty much everyone I know besides immediate family loves drinking and I'm interested in the science of addiction in general.
I checked out the audiobook from my library, and it's narrated by the author who has a really annoying vocal fry voice. also in the prologue, before the first chapter even starts the author refers to herself as a "non man", after that point I couldn't take it seriously so I just quit on it. not to mention she involves a bunch of social justice issues with it too somehow like black lives matter, even though I'm not sure how that's related.
I did find an extremely short summary of it though, and from what I've gathered she criticizes AA and 12 step programs and from the summary it seemed like her criticism was mostly that "AA and 12 step programs are patriarchal and not made for women". that's not a bad criticism I guess (I also don't get how she can say "bad for women" when she calls herself a "non man" but I digress) but I don't think she said anything about the fact that both of those things are rooted in religion and not science which IMO is a more important thing to address. in fact, the guy who founded AA founded it after he had a belladonna hallucination.
I guess she also talks about how alcohol is a neurotoxin and other reasons why it's bad. overall I think it probably had some good bits of information but not worth reading for me.
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Send Virginia Woolf book recs my way please! I don't know where to start, would like to hear your first entry recommendations with your reason for suggesting them.
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i get that ferrante's neopolitan novel covers are supposed to be "kitsch" to contrast the vulgarity/reality of its content but they're just so goddam ugly. probably puts a lot of people off from reading them
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The covers of the Norwegian translations are much more tasteful, if a bit boring. I was kinda shocked the first time I saw those. They look like nothing I'd want to read.
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currently reading this. i’ve also read confessions of a mask. homie had some serious problems i think
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anyone have good books that follow depressed, friendless, etc. protagonists? i want something that doesn't end in a perfectly happy ever after, and explores their feelings and (failed?) attempts at connecting with others.
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I have the same exact book! But I would love to own the Folio Society cover one day.
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Night Film is absolutely brilliant. And as a bonus, there is 'transphobia' which it obvs got criticised for but makes me like Pessl more. She also has a short book called Neverworld Wake which is great.
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I'm getting mixed signals and I think I'll pass lol. I already know about pedophilia, I don't particularly want to subject myself to that for 350 pages.
Unrelated, has anyone read this book? I really enjoyed it. It gave me We Need to Talk About Kevin vibes (another book I loved). At some points it gave me such strong WNTTAK vibes, in fact, that it seemed perhaps… more than coincidental. Not that I have anything to go off of, but these are the similarities:
>Main character is a mother of a violent child>No one else sees how evil the child is until it's too late>Evil child is close with oblivious father>Mother is close with youngest child>Evil older sibling attacks a classmate in elementary school and gets away with it >Evil older sibling seriously injures and then kills younger sibling and other people>Unreliable narrator>Husband(s) eventually divorce their wives, thinking they're crazy, until the wife is revealed to have been correct this whole time and the child they hated for no reason really is EVIL!
Ok I can't remember if that last one happens in wnttak but I'm pretty sure it does. Anyway I still liked this book, possibly another one for the deranged female main character stack.
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Anyone know how to get a coupon for Thriftbooks? All the coupon websites lie to me.
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Haven't read them, but The Witch-Hunt in Early Modern Europe by Brian P. Levack, Religion and the Decline of Magic by Keith Thomas and Thinking with Demons by Stuart Clark are said to cover the subject
The pdf is right herehttps://en.fr1lib.org/book/21372717/5a3987
Nona's in luck, it includes a complete bibliography of about a thousand reference books on the subject at the end (all pre-1964 however)
Our experiences differ - I didn't find it relatable or emotional enough.
IMO it's paint by numbers. You can tell author did her research (hours of it) but didn't actually go through that shit. I remember thinking that some small parts seem inspired by the experiences described in Tiger, Tiger by Margaux Fragoso. MDV didn't feel like it brought anything new or personal to the table, except explaining to the retards why victims
act(Ed) "stupid". Basically teaching empathy by example, I guess. Otherwise it feels like an extended Very Special Episode about a Real Issue with generic characters.
Maybe I would judge it less harshly had an anon (IDK if you or someone else) didn't gush about it before the novel was published, heightening my expectations.
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I posted at the beginning of the year that I picked up Mishima's Sea of Fertility tetralogy, and I was hoping /m/ would be back by the time I finished reading so I could post my final thoughts (as an anon asked) on the book thread but I guess it's never coming back kek. Anyway, if you're still here nona, here are my thoughts! Also there are unspoilered spoilers below if anyone ever plans on reading.
I read the full plot beforehand and kept referring to the Wikipedia plot to make sure I wasn't missing any important events or details, so some things didn't have as big of an impact as when I went in blind.
Didn't really feel a lot of sympathy for Kiyoaki, up until he travels to Nara kek. He's such a little wishy washy bitch baby the whole time and is the root of his own problems starting from when he got mad at her question at the beginning of the book. Looking back on it, I think Mishima perfectly encapsulates that internal push and pull of young, stupid love. Maybe I hated Kiyoaki because I saw my own young bitch baby self in him. If I didn't spoil the book for myself, I think the foreshadowing of reincarnation would've been a really big "holy shit" moment.
The climax of the book felt very abrupt, especially with the little fanfare surrounding Kiyoaki's death, but it was still poignant. As I continued reading on, reading how it affected Kiyoaki's family, Honda, Iinuma, etc, it kept bringing back a sense of melancholy and felt weirdly like I was missing Kiyoaki too.
I forgot most of the plot that I had read in advance, so aside from Isao's inevitable death and knowing his next reincarnation is in Thailand I went in blind.
Isao is really something isn't he kek. It's hard to not separate the ideals Isao held from Mishima himself, so it also makes me think how Mishima uses Honda as a vehicle of valid criticism towards his own ideals yet at the same time ended up dying for his ideals like Isao. Did he just not give a shit?? Who knows.
Isao is just as insufferable as Kiyoaki is, in his own way. Kiyoaki was a little idiot in love who just didn't know how to properly communicate, meanwhile Isao is at that "I'm smarter than all the adults around me" stage of insufferable. His obsession with purity and going so far as to kill himself because he still believed himself to be righteous and pure is peak stupid. I love it in the same way that I love Mishima's unhinged wackiness. It's pure retardation. This and the first book are my favorites.
>The Temple of Dawn
I felt like I was starting to drag my feet. I wanted to continue going in blind but I just got so bored at some point that I read the full plot halfway through so I could convince myself to just finish it up.
Having a female reincarnation was the absolute fucking worst choice. The voyeurism and constant attention on Ying Chan's body is fucking gross. Honda trying to chase after him and his wife's resentment towards him for it is the nail in the coffin for me. Easily the worst fucking book out of the entire series, it's so uncomfortable to read.
>The Decay of the Angel
I felt a little pity for Honda here, but just because I'm a softie and seeing old people get abused makes me sad. The voyeurism scene quickly reminded me that my pity is misplaced though. The book is… fine. I mentally checked out halfway through Temple of Dawn so maybe that's why I don't have much of an opinion for it. Toru is, like Kiyoaki and Isao, insufferable. But I don't enjoy any part of him that makes him so insufferable, but I guess that's the point of his character.
My whole reason for picking up the series was to read the end, because I was reading a review of Evangelion and someone likened the last two episodes to the final scene with Honda and Satoko, but I just didn't enjoy it. Well, I didn't entirely enjoy the last two episodes of Eva either, so I guess it's not too out of place. But, again, my enjoyment of the series was ruined with the last book so. lol.
I'll probably reread it sometime, but I'll probably only reread Spring Snow and Runaway Horses. I get why Ying Chan's story is necessary - for Honda to chase after another reincarnation to set up for the disappointment of a fake in the last book, but god I just fucking loathe the 3rd book so much.
the author of MDV has said that she did go through it though, iirc>>213133
I loved this but can't remember the transphobia, now I wanna reread it kek
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It's me, nonny
! I'm glad you read them, although surprised you spoiled yourself so much. We all have our own different ways of reading, though, so don't worry about it!
In your review, I see clearly you perceived there's two halves to the series, pre-war and post-war, the first two books and the last two books. The pre-war books are very nostalgic and the post-war books are lurid and seedy. Mishima himself was a student of both pre-war and post-war literature and I remember he said that he felt his poetry was "obsolete" even when he was still very young. Despite this, later in life he became very worldly and aware of contemporary international literature, which as you know during the second half of the 20th century was incredibly lurid. During that time, the works of Marquis de Sade and Bataille among others were championed by the literati of the world and Mishima was amongst those circles. Do you remember in the later books that one dumbass writer that wrote that bizarre incest sci-fi story? That's the type I'm talking about. So given in mind there is a clear division in the Tetrology and within Mishima himself, you can't really separate his life from his final work.
The first book is a nostalgic romance. If it reads autistically that's because that was just the state of Japan at that time. The high social classes were just autistic in everything they did.
Isao from the second book is clearly a bit of wish-fulfillment on Mishima's part. As a kid, he was too sickly and weak to be allowed into battle during WWII and clearly that stuck with him throughout the rest of his life. I was very glad to learn about the state of attempted right-wing uprisings during Imperial Japan. It was very interesting and something I knew almost nothing about. I just blindly assumed Isao was going to become a kamikaze pilot, but his actual trajectory makes more since considering his personality and beliefs.
The treatment of reincarnation really struck me as beautiful. That line about "I'll see you under the falls" and then Honda understanding what Kiyoaki meant really got me. Honda's criticisms are probably Mishima's own criticisms like you say. But elsewhere Mishima wrote about the value of the "irrational" when it comes to national belief and the cult of emperor. Of course his own coup attempt and seppuku were performative.
Like you, I always hated The Temple of Dawn, at least at first. It is just disgusting. The sudden luridness from such an upright character as Honda shocked and repulsed me. I see now the value of the decaying, degenerating second half. I hope you do, too. Honestly, I hate most 20th century literature because of the overwhelming tendency of depravity in the highest echelons of "intelligentsia," so the sudden horrific shift in the series really appealed to me. All the more impressive since Mishima died in 1970, but the writer had really been on the wall since the end of the first World War with all that soulless, annihilating Dada bullshit. I won't sperg about that, though. You're right, very uncomfortable to read.
Toru being the absolute worst and illegitimate to boot I think summarizes well the absolute decay and stagnation that Mishima wanted to cover. Everything in the plot became so seedy and debauched it really culminates with him ending up being a fake reincarnation.
I had been waiting for Satoko to reappear and I was especially anticipating her at the very end. As to what the actual meaning means, who can say? Since he wrote it very shortly before killing himself, it serves as his final word in a way that an extremely formulaic death poem can't. But I honestly can't offer any suggestions.
Of the books, I liked Runaway Horses the best in terms of plot, personally. The story taught me a lot and of all the characters, Isao had the clearest and most defined character. That his character is very different from our Western perception was especially satisfying to me since I like to see strange and different viewpoints. Of all the 4 central characters, Ying Chan is clearly the most enigmatic, which makes sense considering she is both foreign and a woman. And in the latter two books especially Honda serves as the bridge between the past and the present. I think the title "The Decay of the Angel" is the perfect summation of the series.
ntayrt and it's been years since I read it so I probably forgot some stuff, but I thought TToD served a purpose of setting up Honda as unreliable, in terms of perception. There is absolutely no insight into Ying Chan's character, all we have is Honda's deformed view of her. It's Honda's own decay that is at the front of the last two books imo.
He takes Toru and forces him into the "world of passion", but Toru ends up figuring out, pretty much says fuck this shit and cheats his way out by blinding himself, which frees him from his remaining desire and most importantly his physical aversion towards Kinue's body (which was his only obstacle from truly "rejecting the world"), and allows him to live with her in her delusion, in heaven. And you are left wondering if he is truly that rotten, maybe even this degenerate parody of enlightenment is still better than Honda, whose pretense of reason turns out to be completely pointless.
I also think >>213975
is right when she calls him a vehicle of criticism but, the last two books are the refutation of that criticism via what is essentially an ad hominem attack. One could take this as the final lesson on the "value of the irrational" I guess. Though "pure retardation" as the first nona said might be a better way to put it.
My take might be a shit take though, this is baby's first book interpretation
I don't think it's a shit take, nonny
! Thanks for posting your thoughts! It's also been years since I read them, so I am hazy on some of the details. I remember the parts that really resonated with the sense I got from the books and naturally forgot some of the others. I honestly don't remember the fourth book as well as the others. I agree The Decay of the Angel as a title could be about the individual Honda, I was just universalizing it a little bit since he's our central protagonist throughout the books.
I'd like to hear more about what you mean by>the last two books are the refutation of that criticism via what is essentially an ad hominem attack.
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Sorry that this doesn't completely fit with the thread but god has anyone else seen the complete hatchet job trailer for Persuasion? Can you imagine writing arguably your best novel right before you died to then have it get turned into this two hundred years later
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I picked this up at my local used bookstore for less than a dollar and, after having read 3 chapters, it feels like I wasted my money. This guy is trying way too hard to be poetic. I often wondered if he even had an editor. He’d use the exact same word so repetitively through one paragraph that I’d get sick of seeing it. This is what I get for stepping outside of my usual preferred reading. Although, one positive thing that came out of wasting my time, I’ve gained more confidence in my own writing abilities. If this guy can get praise for such garbage, then I’m sure I can squeeze out at least one best seller.
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Samefag, goodreads reviews are not to be trusted.
I read her other book Special Topics in Calamity Physics last year and loved it, even though the narrative style choices were kind of strange. I've been meaning to read Nightfilm for literal years but never got around to it. I started listening to the audiobook but decided the book is probably better if you read it with your eyes as it has a more interactive writing style (like fake blogposts, news articles etc). I have no idea about the transphobia though, I've never heard anyone say that about it kek.>>214464
Oh I'm sure there's tons of those, but I'm not well read in classics at all. Catcher in the Rye maybe?>>213040>anyone have good books that follow depressed, friendless, etc. protagonists?
Just look up books in literary fiction, there are tons of books like that in that genre
Obligatory have you read Frankenstein? Victor is pompous broody and self obsessed. Frankenstein monster is hurt, obsessive, and broody with sad growth ending. It’s one of my favorites.
Edgar Allen Poe’s short stories tend to have those vibes or Maupassant. Maupassants voice is soothing when he writes. I like his work a lot.
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Epic of Gilgamesh>>214751
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I had been meaning to read the da vinci code series for literal years. I finally broke down and bought the audiobook of it, but the narrator has a hot voice so I can't listen to it without getting horny. ugh
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I'd eat saltrice any day over british food
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I was bored and decided to read a classic (Тихий Дон / And quiet flows the Don by Mikhail Sholokhov). It was okay but I feel like this novel (and many other similar works) could be renamed "Scrotes abuse women, fuck up their life, and then proceed to blame women for their own inadequacy". Like seriously, there's a bit where an old man is too much of a lazy drunkard to stay awake while riding his carriage, and the horse, being old and blind, falls into an ice hole. The guy wakes up just in time to save his ass and of course decides it's the horse's fault, after which he insults her (since she's a mare) by calling her a bitch and a cunt basically. Peak moid moment.
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It is laverbread, usually eaten with cockles in a welsh breakfast
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it's released tomorrow. are you excited?
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I want to gift a book to a woman that is obsessed with her looks on an unhealthy level, and I feel bad for her. She is insecure, down to not being able to take out the trash without winged eyeliner and going full makeup. She is also obsessed with her weight and body while doing jackshit about it (she is obese but doesn't work, study, doesn't do anything but sit in moms basement). I wanted to buy her Virginia Wolf's Beauty Myth book but people told me she is anti-vaxx and one or two facts of hers are not true, so I am looking for something else. The only issue that might occur is that she is a NLOG larper (because she is a desperate attention seeker), but I don't care anymore, I will just slap this book at her on Christmas morning and wish her all the best.
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I don't understand why you're trying so hard for a woman obviously content to roll around in her metaphorical filth, nonnie
. Put that gumption to good use somewhere else.
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reading the third book in this megabook its "The Clergyman's Daughter" Orwell is quite the writer…
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Finally got around to reading Lisa Taddeo's Animal. It starts off quite slow but I ended up staying up until 2am to finish it.
Reading it feels like a truck hit me because it's so raw and I feel so naked and seen that it's painful.
Has anyone read Taddeo's Ghost Lover yet?
I saw another scrote agreeing with the review on tiktok that’s how I know about this. From the name I assumed the reviewer was a woman and was disappointed but it makes sense now cause of course it had to be a scrote choosing to cancel a female author out of all these actually problematic
male authors. I don’t care about this author and I haven’t read her books but it just doesn’t sit right with me whenever there’s an (male instigated)attempt to ruin successful women’s careers.
>>216456>he wrote a book about how being female is about having a gaping asshole and no thoughts.
I'm sorry what?? Moids are so fucking nasty, it really is all about being their own fetishized version of a woman for them to constantly jerk off to, so disgusting>>216638
Oh thank god, I thought it was just me being esl but I knew it was just the worst pile of shit dumped as a "review" I ever seen in my life>>217243
Right?? Where's stephen kings cancelation or brandon sanderson? someone moids would start foaming at the mouth if they ever got a whiff of them being canceled? why is it always women? I mean we know why, scrotes will suck each other off always
Back to book, I just read Moshi Moshi by banana and it was nice except for the ending ruined it with the useless hookup, does anyone have a similar book in vibes without a romance or romance that isn't young woman/older man?
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Have anyone read Beauty and Misogyny by Sheila Jeffreys? Would it be a good read for insecure ''normies''?
I'm curious about this one myself, I've passed by it a few times skimming feminist book titles in general.
I'm looking for books on overcoming sexual trauma. I've read The Body Keeps the Score and other books on trauma in general, but there is not as much on sexual trauma specifically. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Read this recently and really found it valuable. I believe it is one of the most incisive pieces of feminist writing of our time, tying together common feminist criticisms of transition with further analysis of our culture and her personal insight. Robinson incorporates references to other feminist writing and nonfiction books in a way I thought worked well.
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Lots of weird Frankenstein shit going on in this book. I liked it though.
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Late by a month, but anyone saw the goodreads member top hits of 2022 (so far)? Any recommendations? https://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/2302?ref=srtopbooks22_eb
Based. Goodreads lists make me wait to throw up then shriek then throw up then shriek then throw up then>hears Colleen Hoover’s name mentioned
If I can put that woman on public trial for the havoc she has wrecked snd continues to wreck on the adolescent female psyche. If only.
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I was excited to read this because I was expecting some fucked up old man torture but it was a huge buildup to a huge letdown of maybe like 3-4 pages of actual fucked up torture. The ending sucked. I was actually rooting for Asami.
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oh this is on my to read list, is it worth it overall? i know its pretty long
does anyone read mercedes lackey? i want to read the Darian's Tale trilogy, but when i was looking into it it seems to be apart of a larger series within the same world as a different set of books by mercedes lackey and i dont know if i need to read the other books to understand these. i really want to read some of her stuff, but i have no idea where or how to get started