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No. 208749
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Does anyone know of killers who didn't have awful childhoods and had rather normal backgrounds with no mental illnesses?
The only two I know are Leopold and Loeb, who killed a kid to prove themselves they could do the perfect crime
No. 238816
Have you guys read any true crime books? Currently reading Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer but it’s a chore to get through
>>208749Weren’t both of their parents dysfunctional rich people? Also Leopold was apparently molested by his nanny when he was like 12. Idk how true that is though. But people have grown up in worse environments and don’t turn out like these two dunderheads.
It surprises me that a lot of serial killers and true crime figures had fairly normal childhoods from the looks of things. Of course, you still got your Henry Lee Lucas’ and Aileen Wurnos’ bu even the biggest monsters don’t actually seem to come from trauma. Both Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had average (if a bit unconventional) childhoods.
No. 238991
>>238892Oh yeah, forgot about the surgery lol. You’re right. I guess I was initially referring to his home life though. His mom had mental issues and his dad, while seemingly well meaning, neglected him because he was pursuing his PhD. Now that I think about it, that’s a pretty shitty childhood but plenty of people grow up in those types of environments and end up being decent, even sometimes wonderful, people. So I kinda think his childhood wasn’t as impactful as some other factors (like the surgery you mentioned).
>>238875That book does have a weird layout now that you mention it. The beginning is all about girls who were forced to marry old ass men when they barely hit puberty (I I initially got that book because I thought it was gonna be about Warren Jeffs but I was wrong. Then it goes into Mormon history. The first half is interesting but Krakauer makes everything after Joseph Smith’s death seem so boring. Also the Lafferty bros story is interesting but yeah, the narrative is all over the goddamn place. The subplot about girls being forced into marriage is quickly dropped.
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>>238816Having a domineering, depressed or BPD mother seems to be a huge correlation with a lot of them. Dahmer had a middle class life but his mom was a hypochondriac and sort of BPD. Ted Bundy if I remember right had a refrigerator mother with clinical depression.
Another thing. I'm surprised more people don't realize that Dahmer was clearly an autist. The perverted sex stuff and fascination with his narrow fetishes can be explained by the hyper-sexuality common with autists. Autists are prone to extreme, abstract fetishes, and he just happened to have a fucked up necro and control fetish. The monotone voice and blank affect he has was put down to schizotypal disorder at the time, but it's just the way most high functioning autists act and speak.
The shit he did, like watching the same movies every week and drinking excessively, are how aspies live as adults once they leave home. The hyper fascination on the Exorcist and Return of the Jedi as movies to the point of watching them on repeat is peak aspie behavior.
There's autistic fetish discords you can find out there, and the shit aspies post on there is just as bizarre and weird as what Dahmer gets off to, just not so viscerally disgusting. Things like cumming over macaroni and cheese being stirred and making sloppy noises. Or hyperfixation on a certain scene from a kids movie like Honey I shrunk the kids, to the point of getting off to nothing but that for the rest of their life. Dahmer playing with roadkill likely had that fetishistic imprinting.
No. 247820
>>247816blaming the parents for raising a murderer is stupid as fuck. millions of people suffer
abusive/neglectful/etc parents and dont become killers. bundy had normal parents. its a brain issue in most of them. abuse can make it worse, but it is something they are born with.
No. 260438
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Necroing because I just watched the new Casey Anthony documentary series on Peacock and I felt fairly open to the alternative narrative presented by it. I remember the case when it was really active, but I have not followed it in any real depth. I was sort of surprised to see in online true crime communities that the users seem 100% committed to believing the Casey-is-an-evil-killer-party-mom narrative and cannot consider for a moment that maybe her pedo abuser dad (Kaylee's grandfather) really did it. It honestly reminds a bit of the women who cape so hard for Johnny Depp and just CANNOT IMAGINE that Amber Heard is not evil incarnate. Men are monsters, why do some women fight so hard to not see this?
No. 260858
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What are y'all opinions/theories on JonBenét's murder?
No. 274170
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I wonder if she really legit did anything wrong or that moi d deserved what he got. She is hot.
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Most of the saga is pretty much over at this point, with some loose ends still being need to be tied up but what did everyone think about this case?
No. 323293
This is one of the cases that will always stick with me. Ashlee Martinson endured
endless trauma from every single adult who was supposed to care for her throughout
entire life. The justice system never cared, and she finally snapped.
Case breakdown:
>Ashlee's mother, Jennifer Ayers, allows random men from the Internet to move in with them>Ashlee raped and beaten from the ages of 9-11 by one of her mother's many boyfriends, Jerry Hirabe - one time was in front of his friend. Any time Jerry was arrested, Jennifer would bail him out the following day.>Ashlee moves in with her biological father, Jeremy Marinson, at 15 in the hopes that things would be better - father beats her instead. When she goes to the police, she's told, "Since you are a minor, he had every right to put his hands on you.">Best friend states that when Ashlee moved back in with her mother, she was quieter, quicker to anger, etc.>Ashlee begins writing and drawing to cope - dark subject matter of her art used against her in court>Stepfather, Thomas Ayers - with previous charges for kidnapping, domestic violence, and sexual assault - regularly rapes, beats, and holds her mother at gunpoint in front of her as punishment for Ashlee "acting out">Mother's new boyfriend beats her younger siblings when Ashlee steps half a toe out of line, including his 2-year-old daughter, who, according to Ashlee's eldest younger sibling, got beat more than anyone in the house>Mother's new boyfriend chokes, shakes, throws a weeks-old puppy at the wall before shooting it dead in front of Ashlee's little siblings>Stepfather exposes himself to Ashlee and tells her mother that Ashlee came on to him>Enabler cunt of a "mother" jealous of Ashlee due to this, threatens to kick her out>Ashlee was already planning on leaving, saving up money>Ashlee grounded "for life" with her phone and car confiscated, and told she was never going to be able to leave after "parents" discovered she's being groomed by a 22-year-old man (Ryan Sisco) at 16>Ashlee posts on Facebook "He's gonna kill her if she doesn't leave soon. I want to kill him so fucking bad, take one of his guns and blow his fucking brains out." after seeing her stepfather beating her mother for the umpteenth time that morning>Ashlee grabs her stepfather's shotgun and locks herself in her room, contemplating suicide. Stepfather begins banging on her door. She panics and shoots him twice, first in the neck, then in the head>Mother comes running when she hears gunshots, loses her shit on Ashlee for killing her man, no matter how abusive he was, and Ashlee, in a fit of blind rage, stabs her mother over 35 times>Ashlee locks her 3 younger siblings in their room with juice boxes and snacks, showers, changes clothes, leaves the knife on the bathroom counter, and flees the scene in her stepfather's truck>Ashlee and her groomer apprehended; Ashlee extradited back to Wisconsin>Ashlee sentenced to 23 years in prison, states she feels safer in prison than she ever did at home>Siblings in foster care - interview with foster mom throughout vidrelSources:Video attached
https://defeatingchildhoodtrauma.com/battered-child-syndrome-is-real-justice-for-ashlee-martinson/https://ashleemartinson.wordpress.com/about/Petition:https://www.change.org/p/governor-of-wisconsin-justice-for-ashlee-martinson No. 341883
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Remember Bianca Devins?
Remember how people used her death to get internet views?
Now a singer took her story and did exactly that not that long ago.
Everyone, meet SKYND.
No. 381745
Does anyone feel drawn to true crime in a completely different way than how they started? When I was 16-17 I was very into Columbine. I don't think that hybristophilia played a role on that I was a fujo that shipped Klebold and Harris but I was too young to understand how disgusting the killers were and how tragic and unfair the death of the victims was. I hadn't developed a strong sense of morality and misandry, which now I do have, and so I kind of related to the fabricated''outcast'' image Harris and Klebold had online because I was an outcast myself. That image shattered into pieces the more I learned about them, when I read their diaries and saw all those rape fantasies. I also realised they weren't outcasts, they had plenty of like minded friends and money. They were a couple of suburban middle class sexist pieces of shit. Columbine still interests from a conspiracy point of view (third shooter theory, manipulation of the masses via traumatic events like 9/11, basement tapes…), but that's it. Learning about Aileen Wuornos also changed my perspective on this subject because I realised that women and men murder for different reasons, there's also far less female serial killers. Nowdays I don't actively look for true crime content because reading about attacks and murders of women makes me feel sick and unsafe, even when I'm reading about tragedies that took place long ago in a country far from mine. But yesterday I was listening to Siouxsie and the Banshees and the song Night Shift popped up on my list and it captivated me for hours. It's an eerie song, but it got even darker when I searched its meaning and found out that the lyrics were inspired by Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper. Sutcliffe terrorised women in the North of England between 1975 and 1980, killing 13 of them and causing serious harm to others. It's believed that he was responsible of many more deaths. This case comes with a big dose of misoginy from both the killer and the authorities that did a poor job investigating him ("Some were prostitutes, but perhaps the saddest part of the case is that some were not. The last six attacks were on totally respectable women"). Survivors of Sutcliffe's attacks developed serious PTSD from the incident as well as suffering from victim-blaming from the rest of society. Sutcliffe left motherless 25 children who also developed serious trauma after losing their mother, such as Sonia Newlands, daughter of Sutcliffe's first victim in 1975, Wilma McCann (26), who was 7 then and commited suicide after battling with addcition for years in 2007 at age 39, leaving her own daughter Leanne (21) behind. I've found a miniseries from 1999 that talks about the case in a respectful way and includes interviews of some of the survivors. This is the only kind of content I can digest, unlike true crime channels. I'm almost using this as a way to remind myself that I have to stay alert all the time when I go outside by myself.
No. 382213
>>240036Old post I know but for anyone else wondering the same thing it was likely due to 2 primary factors.
a) he got a new hard drive for his computer sometime mid-2012 so we don't have all of his activity from that time.
b) general depression and anhedonia (as expressed in CulturalPhilistine videos in late 2011-early 2012)
No. 382637
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>>382267>When I learned the truth I felt dumb, but it was a lesson to do my due diligence.Precisely, so did I. It's crazy to think that some of the young girls that devour all the information available online about them end up trooning out and praising them instead of doing a 180º.
>I'm still very much interested in the third shooter theory, the two kids who were shot at Subway a year later, basement tapes and also generally believe that events like these are used to traumatise the masses too.Would you be interested in reading some archived threads on /x/ about Columbine? They touch some of these topics.
>But nowadays I tend to avoid true crime, the last time something gripped me was Sarah Everard's murder because I fell down a rabbit hole about Freemasons in the police.I can't believe I didn't hear about this back in 2021. Can you tell me more about that freemasons in the police rabbithole?
>The Sutcliffe case is so fucked up, those prostitutes weren't even treated like humans, it was a wake-up call that even the moids who don't murder you can't be trusted. They'll almost always find a way to insinuate it was the woman's fault.Watching that miniseries was very eye-opening (and the one about the hoaxer who sent the tape and the letters too), because you realise how the average man doesn't take male violence on women seriously at all and how the system is ruled and formed mostly by incompetent men that view their police jobs as a way to strike their egos. The shot of the senior police officers smiling after they had caught Sutcliffe is maddening.
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>>382637Yes! I would love to read those threads. I do remember one thread on /x/, I think it was a recorded interview with a mother of a student there. She spoke about things like the alleged sniper on the roof and the Shoels family having to leave town, it was fascinating stuff but I never thought to bookmark it. Hoo boy, Freemasonry is a big rabbit hole. I'll recap a few things off the top off my head. Ok so the highest you can progress in Scottish Rite masonry - the most popular Rite - is the 33rd degree. The number 33 has a habit of popping up in suspicious events, and with Sarah Everard it was no different. She disappeared on the 3/3, she was 33 y/o and IIRC so was her boyfriend. She went missing in London, the home of modern Freemasonry, which has 33 boroughs if you include the the city of London. The met police often have the checker board patterns on their hats and uniform like picrel and checker board floors are in every Masonic lodge, the pattern being a big part of their symbolism. This is all sounds like tinfoil, I know. But Freemasons in the police has been pretty well reported on, particularly in regard to it affecting the chain of command. Here's a couple of articles from mainstream press to get you started.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/02/secret-handshake-police-freemasonshttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/masons-freemasons-freemasonry-in-the-police-corruption-coverup-conspiracy-theories-united-grand-lodge-of-england-sadiq-khan-hillsborough-metropolitan-met-police-federation-london-criminals-a7333116.html No. 382980
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The whole Zodiac case is such a mess, but it’s the only true crime case I still read about daily.
No. 382984
>>382642i don't mind when the
victims are female, as long is not the same old story: moid kills women for sexual gratification. and in most podcasts its always this fucking story because its the most common crime and most podcasters are lazy cretins that don't do any research into real interesting cases.
Real horror and Matt Orchard are the only ones i can stand after diving in true crime.
No. 384642
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I don't think that True Crime shouldn't be criticized, everyone in here is already familiar with its many flaws, but since that Dahmer show with Evan Peters became popular I've noticed how moralism against TC has grown.
It's a very non issue, but I wanted to talk about because is kind of annoying how even in TC communities you have people who themselves consume its contents but now want to act very holier than thou, as if only them have the capacity to consume it ethically.
(Not so related pic).
No. 385281
>>384642I agree. I think it's annoying how everything is being policed these days with the weird rhetoric that it's only okay to engage with non-
problematic media. Or if you do engage in media that is '
problematic' you have to be aware of every little issue surrounding it or else people will talk down to you like in your picrel. People just can't enjoy things anymore. (Although as you said, the true crime genre has its flaws and is exploitative by nature. But it's stupid for people to act holier-than-thou about it)
No. 464793
>>412859Controversial opinion but honestly, she should be excused to do whatever she wants after all she went through. I support her exploiting the whole thing to get her way tbh because it's probably the only way for her to get closure and something good out of her situation. I'd do the same thing and more if I was in her shoes. Although I don't like the part about the pictures and the BDSM.
>>412927Slightly tangentially related, the Hawaii family that found a crazy man living in their house blew my mind, because both of them were soldiers and neither knew how to confront him or do some security stuff in their house to catch him sooner. They also went on vacation knowing someone was in the house, instead of trying to catch him first. Not helping the military people being low IQ school drop outs stereotype.