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Does anyone know of killers who didn't have awful childhoods and had rather normal backgrounds with no mental illnesses?
The only two I know are Leopold and Loeb, who killed a kid to prove themselves they could do the perfect crime
Have you guys read any true crime books? Currently reading Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer but it’s a chore to get through >>208749
Weren’t both of their parents dysfunctional rich people? Also Leopold was apparently molested by his nanny when he was like 12. Idk how true that is though. But people have grown up in worse environments and don’t turn out like these two dunderheads.
It surprises me that a lot of serial killers and true crime figures had fairly normal childhoods from the looks of things. Of course, you still got your Henry Lee Lucas’ and Aileen Wurnos’ bu even the biggest monsters don’t actually seem to come from trauma. Both Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had average (if a bit unconventional) childhoods.
Oh yeah, forgot about the surgery lol. You’re right. I guess I was initially referring to his home life though. His mom had mental issues and his dad, while seemingly well meaning, neglected him because he was pursuing his PhD. Now that I think about it, that’s a pretty shitty childhood but plenty of people grow up in those types of environments and end up being decent, even sometimes wonderful, people. So I kinda think his childhood wasn’t as impactful as some other factors (like the surgery you mentioned).>>238875
That book does have a weird layout now that you mention it. The beginning is all about girls who were forced to marry old ass men when they barely hit puberty (I I initially got that book because I thought it was gonna be about Warren Jeffs but I was wrong. Then it goes into Mormon history. The first half is interesting but Krakauer makes everything after Joseph Smith’s death seem so boring. Also the Lafferty bros story is interesting but yeah, the narrative is all over the goddamn place. The subplot about girls being forced into marriage is quickly dropped.
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Having a domineering, depressed or BPD mother seems to be a huge correlation with a lot of them. Dahmer had a middle class life but his mom was a hypochondriac and sort of BPD. Ted Bundy if I remember right had a refrigerator mother with clinical depression.
Another thing. I'm surprised more people don't realize that Dahmer was clearly an autist. The perverted sex stuff and fascination with his narrow fetishes can be explained by the hyper-sexuality common with autists. Autists are prone to extreme, abstract fetishes, and he just happened to have a fucked up necro and control fetish. The monotone voice and blank affect he has was put down to schizotypal disorder at the time, but it's just the way most high functioning autists act and speak.
The shit he did, like watching the same movies every week and drinking excessively, are how aspies live as adults once they leave home. The hyper fascination on the Exorcist and Return of the Jedi as movies to the point of watching them on repeat is peak aspie behavior.
There's autistic fetish discords you can find out there, and the shit aspies post on there is just as bizarre and weird as what Dahmer gets off to, just not so viscerally disgusting. Things like cumming over macaroni and cheese being stirred and making sloppy noises. Or hyperfixation on a certain scene from a kids movie like Honey I shrunk the kids, to the point of getting off to nothing but that for the rest of their life. Dahmer playing with roadkill likely had that fetishistic imprinting.
blaming the parents for raising a murderer is stupid as fuck. millions of people suffer abusive
/neglectful/etc parents and dont become killers. bundy had normal parents. its a brain issue in most of them. abuse can make it worse, but it is something they are born with.
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Necroing because I just watched the new Casey Anthony documentary series on Peacock and I felt fairly open to the alternative narrative presented by it. I remember the case when it was really active, but I have not followed it in any real depth. I was sort of surprised to see in online true crime communities that the users seem 100% committed to believing the Casey-is-an-evil-killer-party-mom narrative and cannot consider for a moment that maybe her pedo abuser dad (Kaylee's grandfather) really did it. It honestly reminds a bit of the women who cape so hard for Johnny Depp and just CANNOT IMAGINE that Amber Heard is not evil incarnate. Men are monsters, why do some women fight so hard to not see this?
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What are y'all opinions/theories on JonBenét's murder?
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I wonder if she really legit did anything wrong or that moi d deserved what he got. She is hot.
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Most of the saga is pretty much over at this point, with some loose ends still being need to be tied up but what did everyone think about this case?
This is one of the cases that will always stick with me. Ashlee Martinson endured endless
trauma from every single adult who was supposed to care for her throughout entire
life. The justice system never cared, and she finally snapped.Case breakdown:
>Ashlee's mother, Jennifer Ayers, allows random men from the Internet to move in with them>Ashlee raped and beaten from the ages of 9-11 by one of her mother's many boyfriends, Jerry Hirabe - one time was in front of his friend. Any time Jerry was arrested, Jennifer would bail him out the following day.>Ashlee moves in with her biological father, Jeremy Marinson, at 15 in the hopes that things would be better - father beats her instead. When she goes to the police, she's told, "Since you are a minor, he had every right to put his hands on you.">Best friend states that when Ashlee moved back in with her mother, she was quieter, quicker to anger, etc.>Ashlee begins writing and drawing to cope - dark subject matter of her art used against her in court>Stepfather, Thomas Ayers - with previous charges for kidnapping, domestic violence, and sexual assault - regularly rapes, beats, and holds her mother at gunpoint in front of her as punishment for Ashlee "acting out">Mother's new boyfriend beats her younger siblings when Ashlee steps half a toe out of line, including his 2-year-old daughter, who, according to Ashlee's eldest younger sibling, got beat more than anyone in the house>Mother's new boyfriend chokes, shakes, throws a weeks-old puppy at the wall before shooting it dead in front of Ashlee's little siblings>Stepfather exposes himself to Ashlee and tells her mother that Ashlee came on to him>Enabler cunt of a "mother" jealous of Ashlee due to this, threatens to kick her out>Ashlee was already planning on leaving, saving up money>Ashlee grounded "for life" with her phone and car confiscated, and told she was never going to be able to leave after "parents" discovered she's being groomed by a 22-year-old man (Ryan Sisco) at 16>Ashlee posts on Facebook "He's gonna kill her if she doesn't leave soon. I want to kill him so fucking bad, take one of his guns and blow his fucking brains out." after seeing her stepfather beating her mother for the umpteenth time that morning>Ashlee grabs her stepfather's shotgun and locks herself in her room, contemplating suicide. Stepfather begins banging on her door. She panics and shoots him twice, first in the neck, then in the head>Mother comes running when she hears gunshots, loses her shit on Ashlee for killing her man, no matter how abusive he was, and Ashlee, in a fit of blind rage, stabs her mother over 35 times>Ashlee locks her 3 younger siblings in their room with juice boxes and snacks, showers, changes clothes, leaves the knife on the bathroom counter, and flees the scene in her stepfather's truck>Ashlee and her groomer apprehended; Ashlee extradited back to Wisconsin>Ashlee sentenced to 23 years in prison, states she feels safer in prison than she ever did at home>Siblings in foster care - interview with foster mom throughout vidrelSources: