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Did anyone catch that she actually uses the name Dan, just once, even though she refers to him The Creator in every other mention? I wonder if that was an accident.
No. 230168
>>230144She and Venus share controlling narcissistic mothers and I can picture Margo going on misogynistic pick-me rants same as Jennette describes her mom doing. Religious girls grow up so steeped in sexism. Women are not allowed to lead in the church, they're the progenitor of sin, their only worth comes from virginity… Plus, the only positive female friendship she describes is Miranda, everyone else who's been helpful or at least 'neutral' in her life (like the absentee non-biological father) have been male. I think it's something she could grow out of as her worldview broadens further and she forms more meaningful bonds.
>>230156That's a good insight. What would Ariana stand to gain by preventing her from directing? I'm sure it had more to do with the network, I doubt they felt beholden to her to follow through on their promises.
I just finished it. You can very much feel that she's still processing a lot of these things as she's writing about them. I am choosing to believe she wrote this, she thanks her editor at the end for making sense of her thoughts and her earlier passion for writing + the slightly messy, earnest nature of her prose makes me think this is her own stuff. Reading it was like when an acquaintance randomly opens up to you and tells you something heartbreaking. It made me glad I could sit and be a listening ear. It was actually really helpful for me, my dynamic with my own mother is similar and it helped me make sense of some things. It's a relief to see that she has a supportive therapist and a good friend in Miranda.
No. 230177
>>230173>>230144I get what you guys are saying, she said a lot of things in the past about feeling very cold, jealous, and vindictive towards other women at the time, and I think she was self-aware of this later on while putting this book together. I'm glad she included her thoughts, even if in retrospect they were really disagreeable and made her look bad, because it illustrates the kind of mentality she had at the time, and it makes perfect sense. She lived her entire adolescence focusing on her image to appease her mom, and her mom's ideal image of Jennette was based around being thin, agreeable, controllable, child-like, and innocent. Her mom had misogynistic, self-loathing views, and Jennette internalized all of that, and projected that onto other people around her. Even aside from her personal issues with her mom's influence, her career in Hollywood perpetuates similar views. Trying to do anything to further your career by being as attractive, and adaptive to whatever ideal people want you to embody. Not saying I agree with anything she was believing, or said, just that it's understandable given the circumstances, and I think Jennette has moved past this and is self-aware.
No. 230185
>>230180The writting feels appropriate for someone like her
>>230155Did you actually read it?
No. 230188
>>230182Yeah, she does. Most of her self-loathing, obsession over her image, her vindictiveness towards other women, and other
problematic stuff, are attributed to her mom's influence. She comes to understand this over the course of the book that all of these thoughts stem from her mom, it's wrong, and she recovers from it.
Hating women, and wanting to be better than them because it's what her mom taught her:
>I hate when females are so obvious with their crushes. If you’re obvious, some other little bitch can come along and exploit that crush, use it against you, betray you with it. I learned this from Mom’s long-winded speeches about trusting women even less than men. “Men, they’ll hurt you without ever really knowing you,” she often told me. “But women… women will know you deeply, intimately, and then hurt you. You tell me which is worse.” And so I don’t trust women. I just observe them. I watch them act desperate and weak and pathetic. It’s so embarrassing to be a woman. I study women like Emmy so that I can be different from them. Better than them. Recognizing that her thoughts about so much are attributed to her mom, and she has no thoughts and feelings of her own:
>My entire life’s purpose, keeping Mom alive and happy, was for nothing. All those years I spent focusing on her, all the time I spent orienting my every thought and action toward what I thought would please her most, were pointless. Because now she’s gone. I tried desperately to understand and know my mother—what made her sad, what made her happy, and on and on and on—at the expense of ever really knowing myself. Without Mom around, I don’t know what I want. I don’t know what I need. I don’t know who I am. And I certainly don’t know what to wish for. Realizing her mom was wrong about so much, and actually
abusive:
>Laura suggested that Mom was abusive. My whole life, my entire existence has been oriented to the narrative that Mom wants what’s best for me, Mom does what’s best for me, Mom knows what’s best for me. Even in the past, when resentments started to creep in or wedges started to come between us, I have checked those resentments and wedges, I have curbed them so that I can move forward with this narrative intact, this narrative that feels essential to my survival. If Mom really didn’t want what was best for me, or do what was best for me, or know what was best for me, that means my entire life, my entire point of view, and my entire identity have been built on a false foundation. And if my entire life and point of view and identity have been built on a false foundation, confronting that false foundation would mean destroying it and rebuilding a new foundation from the ground up. I have no idea how to go about doing this. I have no idea how to go about life without doing it in the shadow of my mother, without my every move being dictated by her wants, her needs, her approval. No. 230213
I have been reading this book whenever I have had time to, even at work in a kitchen and on my breaks. It's impossible to put down. I'm only about half way through but it is very validating and emotional as someone who was raised by a single mom, who was a druggie and violent alcoholic. Even though the situations are obviously not the same, there were several moments in the book I deeply understood and felt the same. I feel so bad for what she went through, I hope she can enjoy the rest of her life freely and happily. It's so hard to find time to read, unfortunately. It'll be easier to finish when I'm off work, at least I'm a fast reader kek but I know I'm probably going to be emotional the further in I get. I was also happy when my mom died, I kind of get defensive when people ask me what I'm reading then wince at the title. Obviously
abusive parents exist so what makes people get so upset at this title? They don't seem to understand the tremendous weight that gets lifted off the shoulders of abused children when their abuser finally dies. It's so freeing and sad but also necessary to get to the point of finally living your life.
>>230177>>230206I also felt like it was all very self aware. It felt like she was noting how she felt in those moments while purposefully highlighting how absurd it sounds in retrospect. Just the way she wrote it felt very obvious to me. I'm surprised nonnies are taking it at face value, she also does the same thing when talking about growing up religious. I think she's just showing what her thoughts were during her sheltered life to show how much she has changed. She seems to realizes how awful the things her mother taught her were and how damaging it was for her to follow her.
No. 230358
>>230356You sound like a fucking autist, you war sufferer you. every child abuse
victim must never actually have any affects from their abuse for i have lived through a warzone, so i have it wooooorse
No. 230363
>>230178Actually yeah, you can always write something worse and completely unreadable
>>230185Only quotes, will read it. I see your point
She seems kind of insufferable tbh but maybe i will change my mind once I get through the book. She's a literal who to me, can't believe anyone gave a fuck to those shitty Nicolodeon shows. American cultural imperialism has failed to popularize those in my country, kek. Thank God
No. 230366
>>230361Ikr, the more apt comparison would be like;
>grew up in a warzone, didn't become mass shooter >grew up getting abused my multiple people/mostly mom, doesn't also abuse childrenAnd seeing how jeanette doesn't apper to abuse kids, she is on a roll! Good luck to you too, autist warzone
nonnie!
No. 230369
>>230368Obviously know I know from lolcow threads mentioning this book a few months ago. I wouldn't otherwise though I was aware of the shitty shows and Dan.
I don't give a fuck. Will see how I feel once I read the book
No. 230408
>>230350>>230356some of you really don't understand the concept of an autobiography written as if it is happening in real time. If you think her thoughts when she was 13, 18, 21 etc , displayed truthfully as if in present moment means she believes them today, then there is a severe lack of reading comprehension.
Besides, sometimes the acknowledgement of
problematic behaviors doesn't need to be spoonfed to the reader. It is obvious she grew and decided to write the book to show that. If we watched a show where after each
problematic moment we had a disclaimer to satisfy the people who get
triggered when a girl isn't perfect, we'd be asking for writers to assume we're retarded.
No, she didn't whitewash her thoughts and actions with a veneer of apologetic self-flagellation after each chapter. Big deal.
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Finished it last night, and like earlier anon's stated thought it was a cathartic read for anyone whose experienced an eating disorder or a complicated relationship with their mother.
The writing has an Amateur voice, which I felt faded in the last few chapters–maybe they were written by her editor or a ghost writer idk. Nothing new or incendiary about the pedo ring in Hollywood was revealed, so readers who are looking for drama in that realm would be disappointed.
10/10 Anons, give it a go before r9k and tiktok pickmes get it pulled from the shelves
No. 230433
>>230408You're right, I just finished the book and these anons are missing the point so hard. She clearly expressed her feelings as they were in that moment of her life, and personally I don't believe that any woman here didn't go through a phase of hating feminine things. This is incredibly common and normal, totally undeserving of scrutiny kek. And at the end of the day, she had 3 brothers.
Not to mention she
did throw clearly sarcastic remarks every once in a while, to contrast how innocent/gullible/ignorant she was.
No. 230447
>>230370>Warzone-chanWhat? I'm not Paki-chan or whatever other personalityfag you mean. I pretty much stopped browsing lolcow so I have no idea who you think that I am. I don't expect you to care about my opinion on the book, I just expressed that I'm open to experiencing it and changing my mind despite some preconceptions.
>>230377>>230410Keep dreaming, asshats.
No. 230495
>>230483Probably even as young girls we notice men/boys are treated like king-gods and being a woman is objectively shit and slavery; and if we can only prevent our breasts from growing and keep wearing pants and acting like a tomboy, maybe we can avoid becoming a woman and get instead to sit with the men instead of becoming a second class citizen.
Everything about being a woman objectively sucks. Periods are humiliating, painful, and a pain in the ass. Breasts suck and need a bunch of special gear to keep them from hurting or showing or bouncing too much. women's clothes are uncomfortable. our shoes are uncomfortable. women always get criticized over their face and body and held to impossible standards while men do whatever they want and no one judges them. the men always get to have fun freely while the women have to crawl on their knees cleaning up after them. women have to endure childbirth while men make dad jokes and drink beer in front of the TV. women get raped and abused, men go on golf trips and get promotions.
If anything, puberty age girls acting misogynistic is just a desperate bid to somehow avert their fate and instead develop into a man and be accepted as a male. who the fuck would want to be a woman when we see that they're treated like doormats, bangmaids, and scullery slaves?
No. 230503
>>230495Thank you for expressing my point much better than I did nonna.
That part when she got her period in the middle of shooting and the whole crew found out immediately was so embarrassing for her it made me want to cry. Being a teenage girl in an environment like that just makes everything so much worse.
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Ladies, it's here. We have the 1-star goodreads reviews.
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>>230615Here's a close-up of the accused for your daily milk.
No. 230659
>>230643I just got through that part too, what a pig
I'm up to the part where she's talking about directing an episode of Sam & Cat and
we're supposed to assume it was Ariana who would have quit the show and therefore prevented her from directing, no? No. 230662
>>230623The few interactions we get from the grandmother all seem unstable and crazy - young Jennette knocks on her door at one point asking her to hurry and the grandma screams "Why do you hate me!?" which I think points to some deeper issues. I agree though, I would've liked to know more about her father and more about the grandpa and 'dad' (mostly because wtf, how do you not step in at one point?).
>>230643Did you get to that 'what have I done?' moment yet? Wanted to fucking burn shit down.
No. 230663
>>230659>spoilerI'm actually not sure about this one, why would she not want her to direct? I'd appreciate if any other
nonny more knowledgeable about this could weigh in
No. 230666
>>230662NTA but that part was insane, and it really highlighted how naïve and vulnerable Jennette was even as an 18 year old.
I'm reading the e-book and nearing the end, honestly it's so surreal to read. I'm 24, so I was right in the target demo for iCarly and I was a HUGE fan, I've seen every episode. I cannot help but read some of Jennette's anecdotes in Sam Puckett's voice. The buttersock was just a funny gag when I was 12 but the way she recontextualizes it as a vapid prop in the background of her life is very grounding. Even this thread, with people calling her an NLOG, reminds me of vidrel; in the first scene in this comp, Freddie and Carly literally call her "not like other girls" lol.
Also: the fact that she and Miranda Cosgrove had a good friendship makes me really happy. I idealized Carly and Sam's friendship as a kid. My brother and I learned how to do the Ankle Shake lmao. I've been rewatching clips and the fact that her character is obsessed with food and has an
ABUSIVE JOBLESS MOM?? It's just fucked. I HATE Dan Schneider.
No. 230716
>>230643moids be like:
>i'm going to date this 18 year old!but then:
>wtf why is this 18 year old so immature and inexperienced! No. 230720
>>230666i like her character actually. she should have absorbed lessons from that, such as slapping people. many people in her life really needed a good slap.
i can't believe men sexualized her when she looked so young. men are absolutely disgusting.
>>230677libgen
No. 230722
This is a book about an exploited childhood actress who was literally sexually assaulted and heavily emotionally abused by her own mother while living in a hoarder house full of shit, all while being indoctrinated into the mormon cult… and the thing you talk the most about is how she sounds "not like other girls"? Her upbringing was not like other girls, give her a break. She was processing shit while writting this and she needed to let it out, plus do you really think an memoir recounting her years of abuse has to be exatly as serious and academic as a wikipedia page? She did her best at writing this, also it's not like she considers herself an actress anymore, she thinks of herself as a writer and she has done other things after she stopped acting, not just this book. She has been abused her entire life, and she's still young, give her a fucking break.
I thought people here would like this book better, because it portrays the life of a victim of a narcissistic mother pretty well. Her mother was a monster and Jennette is learning to unlearn the jealousy her mom made her feel towards other actresses and women. Her mother was the cause of this insecurity. She's probably still working on this. So much damage isn't undone in just a few years. It's not like she has to give you a disclaimer every two pages about how "this is all how I felt back then, not now" because that's implied, if you can't understand it you might need help.
Plus… who the f cares? Is the fact that she's a bit of a nlog sometimes, enough to discredit this entire book? I'm glad she's exposing what others made her go through, specially at Nick. I'm glad she's talking about her narcissitic mother and she seems to be healing nowadays despite everything she went through. So many victims of one or the other can't even deal with the trauma, she got a lot of shit on her plate to sort through. If all you could focus on while reading this book is how she was "so much of an nlog" (didn't see it honestly) then maybe stick to lolcow's celebricows thread, clearly this isn't for you. I'm saying this because I'm very disappointed, I thought some of you were all about female solidarity (even though we all know we're on a gossip website, some of you like parrroting this around), and yet when this woman talks about her struggles you discredit her book because it didn't align 1 by 1 with your personal ideology. I'm not even a fan of hers and never watched either ICarly or Sam and Cat or any of those shows, her character and everything else about it was insufferable to me (specially her face was punchable) and I simply didn't care to watch shows with child/teen actors.
And don't lie and pretend you weren't a recovering nlog at some point too. The one who was never an nlog please throw the first rock. Inb4 "omg not me I was never an nlog uwu" you fucking liar
No. 230723
>>230363You didn't even read it and you dare give your opinion on shit you have no idea about? wew. What a fucking retard
>>230369God no I don't want to see the dumb shit you have to say.
No. 230727
>>230722nonnie is angry but she's right
this country fails our children. scrotes are obsessed with forcing us to produce more children for them, but we don't take care of the children already here. the US has absurd rates of child abuse that are not reflected in statistics because the
victims never come forward, and even if they try to speak about it, they're invalidated and gaslit that it never happened. they get treatment like, "but she's your MOTHER, you can't say that about her!" or "you're just an ungrateful brat! it wasn't that bad, you're making it up!" by what i've heard from actually speaking to people, child abuse, on any level of the abuse spectrum, is more common than a healthy family dynamic. it's easier to find someone who was abused than to find someone who was raised with love and respect. this nation is dysfunctional in many ways but the US absolutely has a child abuse epidemic that everyone refuses to speak about. our education standards are also deplorable, and abuse is spoken about as if only a kid walking around with a black eye has the right to say they are abused, and even then the national culture would tell them to tough it out and keep quiet. emotional and verbal abuse can do just as much damage or more as physical abuse.
everyone pretends they care about oppressed and marginalized people but it's all hot wind to virtue signal without needing to leave their comfort zone. in reality an oppressed and marginalized person shows up (someone who suffered child abuse) and everyone starts screaming at them that they need to shut up and they're just a lying ungrateful bitch to say that about mommy dearest. it's really sick and needs to change.
No. 230735
>>230729Nta but imagine thinking that a review this objectively bad deserves anything but mockery. I don't even care about her looks, it's completely stupid to disregard what Jennette tells us as a
victim, the review reads like this reviewer didn't even read the whole book and she's critizicing it on the title alone (like another retard itt is doing).
Also, she's using biblical quotes to discredit what Jennette went through and excuse her mother. One of the verses literally says "if she doesn't listen to her mother she needs to be disciplined to death with stones" even though the passage also says something about a drunktard male son, not a physically, emotionally abused child actress. Then she goes to quote another one that says "disobey your mother and your eyes will be eaten by vultures". Come the fuck on, stop being so obtuse.
No. 230738
>>230733Oh no… I know what kind of idiot you are now. You think anything artistic that comes out as a vent = bad and
problematic. Yep, you're a retard.
Where is the fucking revenge? It didn't feel like revenge. It felt like someone who was hurt and saddened about shit that deeply affected her, recounting everything that happened with almost no filter. "Jealous women are not safe to be around" yet you hang out on lolcow where we have literal threads full of people obsessed with others using apps to stalk them (refer to /ot/). Where is the fucking weaponization of this book? Why are you so sure she's not working through the trauma? Why do you like pulling shit out your ass?
No. 230741
>>230733It's transgressive books like these, books where women are vocal and express their distress about society and their upbringing, the ones we need the most in this oppresive society. In this society where women are made to shut up and get over it. In this society where your abusers have more power over you. In this society where people who have experienced similar things to her are silenced. Where the extent of the abuse childhood actors, and anyone who was forced to work since an early age -the family vlogger kid side of this also counts- is simply barely talked about in favor of these big companies. I'm thankful this book exists even if it isn't perfect. I'm glad someone with her fame, somehting she never wanted, was able to speak out about her own experiences, and this book will probably help other
victims too. Hell I didn't even have that bad of an upbringing and I found myself relating to some of it.
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>other girls are pretty and popular!
>people don't like my book!
>mmama!
>help me my monkeys!
>vict1m forever special pass!
No. 230758
>>230750i can't imagine who would defend child abusers except other child abusers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/comments/wnyp98/why_are_people_more_inclined_to_believe_that_your/people lose their minds when you imply that mothers can hate, maltreat, and emotionally/verbally abuse their children, let alone physically/sexually. it makes their tiny little brain short circuit. then they lash out with retard rage like a neanderthal.
i know we hate reddit but that sub is genuinely good, and there are always discussions that come up where people attest that randoms are more inclined to defend the abuser than to believe the abuse
victim. it's like speaking to a brick wall, they just refuse to comprehend it because they care more about defending their own worldview and ego than about validating someone who survived child abuse and opened up about it. these people will absolutely burn in hell. jesus taught the exact opposite of this mentality. jesus himself said that "they would read(hear) but not comprehend." (variation thereof.) and the people most inclined to spit out bible verses to defend child abusers don't even understand jesus's teachings at the most basic level. they're twisted, blind creatures of hatred and selfishness, and somehow these same creatures love to pretend they're pious and virtuous.
No. 230767
>>230758It's so strange that the second you become a mother it's like a free pass to be malicious and
abusive and no one will bat an eye. But women who are not/not yet mothers? God forbid they vent about something, what a stupid pick me bitch!
No. 230772
>>230769>Personally I appreciated her airing out her bitterness and resentment in the book. I like reading stuff like that, even if it makes her into an imperfect womanSame here. It makes her human. I'd take 100 imperfect women to the cookie cutter uwu fake positivity shit you see everywhere. At least she knows she's not perfect and she's not pushing out the idea that she is.
>Anons that complain about her expressing her jealousy and negativity (something she even acknowledges that she is unlearning) just want her to be a "good sport" like everyone else did.This is why I like that she's more raw, something you don't seem to find in any of the mainstream celebrities nowadays. All of them must project a facade of uncancellable perfection, while being absolutely terrible in their personal life. It's not like jealousy or competitiveness in women isn't encouraged by society itself, but at least she's sorting things out instead of continuing being shackled to her old feelings and thought patterns. She has a bunch of shit to sort out too.
No. 230776
>>230769People are expecting perfection from her, because all they want to see is a "I was faced with adversity and I have 100% overcome that adversity" but recovering from an
abusive childhood, the time of your life where you are supposed to build a solid foundation to become a normal, functioning person in society, takes a lifetime. It's unfair to expect her to be perfect, to have completely undone a whole lifetime's worth of damage by the age of 30 when she's only begun to realize how fucked up her life has been within the last few years.
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. What if she had gone full batshit like a lot of other child stars do? The fact that she has come this far is amazing and shows how resilient she is.
>>230666I'm not sure how to feel watching this. On one hand, the clips put a smile on my face. I adored iCarly, and Sam really was one of my favorite characters (I loved how unapologetic and aggressive she was). But on the other hand, it hurts to watch now knowing the struggles Jennette faced.
No. 230777
>>230772Example: I'm sure Ariana Grande also went through jealousy, abuse, etc. But she's somehow perfect and wholesome and uwu. I'm sure she will never speak badly about Dan Schneider even if it would be very interesting to read and shine light on a lot of things, because she got a career out of him. Still… I simply can't blame Ariana Grande either, not when I know she's also a
victim. I feel like everything fucked up about her, like the eating disorder, the pretending to be a yassgirlboss while she herself knows she's very vulnerable, the wanting to stay young as long as possible, and all the plastic surgeries are just a symptom of trying to cope with being a child actress. She feels like a character of a character of her real self, a bimbofied pedo-pandering celebrity, and a
victim of hollywood and fame. The line between what she chose for herself and what she was made to be is blurry to me.
No. 230779
>>230776>It's unfair to expect her to be perfect, to have completely undone a whole lifetime's worth of damage by the age of 30 when she's only begun to realize how fucked up her life has been within the last few years.>What if she had gone full batshit like a lot of other child stars do? The fact that she has come this far is amazing and shows how resilient she is.This. I think she's strong too. At least she admits her faults and know there's a lot of shit she must heal. Most other child actors cope with drugs and other unhealthy behaviors. The fact that she's still standing after everything she went through is impressive to me.
>>230776>But on the other hand, it hurts to watch now knowing the struggles Jennette faced.The one scene where her naked body could be seen in iCarly (she was underage therefore it was removed after airing I think) feels even more perverse to me now. Add this on top: I'm sure a bunch of fucking disgusting men still use this scene for wanking material. That's fucked up.
No. 230781
>>230776seriously, it's like being 5-10 years behind your peers, right out of the gate. thanks mom. and people expect them to spin around and suddenly be perfect and put together. what recovery looks like is a messy struggle for years, poor performance comparative to people who weren't emotionally kneecapped, and coming preloaded with a host of bad habits and dysfunctional thoughts and behaviours. it isn't cute or fun to deal with. and society expects these struggling young adults to put on a pretty princess dress and dance around and be a millionaire with a dedicated charity fund to help other abused children, as if it's a problem outsiders can solve by throwing money at it. what it feels like is having been robbed of your youth and starting adulthood already in a deep chasm you have to dig yourself out of solo, while already exhausted and struggling emotionally. while the same people who excuse your parents'
abusive behavior and say "you're just a lying jealous bitch" spin around and expect you to act performatively for their entertainment.
yes actually, children are allowed to hate their mothers. no one has ever genuinely hated their own mother without a damned good reason. it's unnatural and takes a lot to get to that situation, and society needs to shut their mouth and believe the
victims.
No. 230849
Im like 3/4 finished with the book and i really want to write this long ass comment cause i wanna put all of my thoughts in one single post and also cuz my tinfoil bells are ringing, but i'll try to trim the fat and keep this one foil free
So on a more generally accepted note, im pretty certain that jeanette's mother had undiagnosed borderline personality disorder, which is honestly surprising to me because a vast majority of the fame chasing parent types instead usually have narcissistic personality disorder which i was originally looking out for. Although, jeanette's mother did have/show plenty of narcissistic tendencies and raised their household similarly to a narcissists i.e. the 'favorite' and 'unfavorite' child, wearing the pants in her romantic relationship and consistently downing/abusing the other parent privately and publicly, the passive other parent, etc. idk maybe im wrong on my armchair diagnosis tbh, but her mother was just SO emotional and, even though us readers can only go off of jeanette's worldview, those emotions came off genuine. True narcissists cannot experience a full range of emotions and are inable to express them, they can only imitate to a point. Jeanette's mother's emotions were big and fast-changing. There was a point in the book where her mom calls jeanette her best friend, and it honestly felt like it at that point - the mom had very few relationships outside of her family before jeanette was a regular on nick and those were not very tight-knit. The fact that her mom is a hoarder tells that she cannot easily let go of material objects/the past i.e. has severe nostalgia. Seeing her mother as borderline, jeanette ends up coming off as not only the 'favorite child', but also her mother's 'favorite person'. Jeanette acknowledges that in a way from a very young age, the fact that her mom's emotions sway mostly on her. Jeanette is seen as by her mother as her little doll, her emotional lifeline, and as her mother herself. Jeanette has to love pink and frills and acting because her mother, herself, loves those things. She fucking gets anorexia because her mom taught her from her own anorexia. Also, with the way jeanette's grandmother acts towards her, i believe she has bpd as well, making it a kind of multiple generational trauma. Jeanette, herself, could possibly have bpd. I, myself, honestly doubt it, but who knows?
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Also im so happy jeanette had miranda as a bestie!!! You always just need that one relationship help you throughout the fog nonnies, that one beacon of light!!
No. 230882
>>230615Kek. Love when people parrot bible verses without understanding
what they are parroting. Being able to spit out bible verses on command =/= understanding the message. It's exhausting when people think
"but I'm a Christian!" is a shield they can use to avoid criticism. Sanctimonious hypocrites.
>>230776>It's unfair to expect her to be perfect, to have completely undone a whole lifetime's worth of damage by the age of 30 when she's only begun to realize how fucked up her life has been within the last few years. I'm shocked she didn't try a suicide attempt. Having to cater to your mother's emotions as a young child is beyond messed up. Her mother emotionally blackmailed her by bringing up how at
2 years old she kept singing Jingle Bells while told her mom has cancer. She calls her a
stinker and makes the whole family watch
her cancer videos. I'm torn between horror and absolute rage. I know an extended family member who piled all her emotional crap (cancer included) onto her 4 year old. She told her daughter stuff she never told any other adult family member. I see parallels and want to puke. Side note: no, I couldn't do anything because CPS doesn't care as long as the child doesn't have injuries/bruises, is "fed", and has a roof over their head. Tried to have her stay over to alleviate the insanity but she would cry and worry about her mom not even 2 hours in at my parents place.
No. 230951
>>230921Never once did they promise “celebrity tea”. This was a memoir about her struggles throughout life that stemmed from her mother, not “juicy hot celebrity gossip”.
Your take on it is nearly as uninspired as warzone nona earlier.
No. 230963
>>230904That's fair, but the simple fact even Amazon is still out of stock and has been for days is strange to me. it's gotten hype since she announced it in the spring, so you'd think they'd be prepared. Personally I didn't even think I wanted to read it until the day before it came out, so I do see how it wasn't anticipated to be a huge hit.
>>230925A lot of YouTubers were trying to spin it as celebrity tea. A snippit about Ariana Grande was released before the book was so I guess people assumed Jennette was going to be talking a lot of shit.
No. 230967
>>230921It was never meant to be celeb gossip you dumb celebricows poster. It was a memoir of her experiences growing up with and
abusive mother, she didn't do it to satisfy your curiosity about other celeb's lives, she did it because it's been a good while since she moved onto other projects and she's been processing all the trauma from her acting years. If you want celeb gossip, go read a magazine.
No. 230973
>>230963But Jennette McCurdy always played it straight, she never said "I will deliver the gossip!!! Read my book about Ariana Grande and co!!!!" She always said it was a memoir about her experiences with her mother, this of course includes her mother's impact in her life and the acting career she never wanted (it was her mother's dream, not her's).
The fact everyone else's take out of this book is that there is some paragraphs about other actors so that means that all the book is about celebrity gossip means 1.These people never cared about what actually happened to Jennette 2.Everyone lacks an alarming set of reading comprehension skills 3.People rather read or were expecting to read something sensationalist than a memoir
No. 231001
>>230963>A lot of YouTubers were trying to spin it as celebrity tea. A snippit about Ariana Grande was released before the book was so I guess people assumed Jennette was going to be talking a lot of shit.It's wasn't just the youtubers. All the legitimate news sources she chose to send her book snippets to in order to promote it and give us a preview of what to expect were like that. Always her quotes about her refusing the N money so she can talk freely about the dynamic on the set and her own comments on her famous costars. Her entire orchestrated pre-release book PR push across multiple platforms was the same celebrity tea shit + a dash of mom.
I was pretty disappointed to read to find out her snippets were just bait and then be slapped in the face with her incest with her mom and brother. Zero content warning on incest btw.
No. 231006
>>231003NTA but content warnings are not a bad thing no need to get
triggered over the mere mention of them
No. 231032
>>230425Hes not an alright guy. He was a coward who emotionally deserted the children he was responsible for and allowed them to stay in a home that was
abusive, neglectful, and filthy. He never stood up for any of his kids, nor did he do the right thing by divorcing his wife or at least not letting her trash their house and sexually abuse his children. He's a spineless, neglectful worm that should rot.
No. 231033
>>231001>It's wasn't just the youtubers. All the legitimate news sources she chose to send her book snippets to in order to promote it and give us a preview of what to expect were like that. That's on them, they know this will simply sell more than just "daughter suffers narcissistic abuse from her mom", because people are stupid and don't care about women suffering, they only care about dumb celeb gossip.
>Always her quotes about her refusing the N moneyWell, she never wanted to be an actress, she feels happy she didn't accept the money, and she described it as integrity. Not as "omg yeah guys because I'm so much better than those celebs"
No. 231095
>>231092>someone is a victim then everything they do is pure and good. No one is saying that. What anons are saying is that yes, she used to have a fucked up thinking but with everything she wrote seems like she's working through it. It's not a matter of "yes she's a pure baby angel", it's a matter of her deserving to be understood even if she isn't 100% perfect because she shows signs of wanting to become better.
>she also is a pickme who is still seething at ariana even in 2022.I'm starting to believe you keep coming to this thread just to defend Ariana Grande kek
No. 231098
>>231095tell me where i fucking said she doesn't deserve to be understood, that was the point of my post that she was a
victim of her mother and dan but that doesn't change the fact that she has pickme tendencies and thats okay because no
victim is perfect and we need to stop treating
victims like pure angels.
>keep coming to this thread just to defend Ariana Grande kekthis is my first time posting about this do you think every anon is the same person, also its not about ariana, you can replace ariana with any other woman and jennete would still come of as looking jealous and bitter over the fact that her costar is more famous.
No. 231114
>>231098>you can replace ariana with any other woman and jennete would still come of as looking jealous and bitter over the fact that her costar is more famous.That's the whole point. That she used to be in a bad emotional spot. She couldn't proces her feelings until a while after her mother died. The way she talked in this book about her life makes you experience things alongside her in real time. The truth is, no one knows if she still harbors jealousy, her mom died pretty recently in 2018, and her acting career also ended that year. I believe she has been processing things for a few years now, but there's so much on her plate. If she was able to acknowledge that she was bitter and jealous, then perhaps she's now trying to become less so. Who knows.
All in all you come off as an autist that can only hyperfocus on one single thing and takes everything at face value. Get checked.
No. 231115
>>230722Some girls really are not like other girls…in their own perception of other people. For example, in Jennette's case, other girls don't live in hoarder houses or have
abusive stage moms. IMO, the NLOG mindset is sometimes just a coping strategy when you know your situation is shit; you think, well other girls are spoiled (read: had normal upbringings) so of course I'm not like them, and in fact I'm better for having suffered. It takes a lot of healing and reflection to realize your faults, and even your good and valuable traits, are IN SPITE of your surroundings.
Also as an aside, re-watching iCarly clips reminds me of how funny I thought Sam was. I remember watching the show as a kid, and my dad was like, "that blonde girl is seriously funny, she has a future in comedy." I had friends who that iCarly was dumb and would still laugh at Sam's lines. Jennette was so skilled, and I could easily imagine her as a comedy darling like Amy Poehler if she just had better people around her.
No. 231117
>>231115It's also not hard to feel angry at the fact that Ariana had loving parents, came from money, and did play the Dan Schneider game. She's of course also a
victim, but putting myself in Jennette's shoes, I would definitely be upset too
No. 231152
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>>231138honestly what happened to ariana grande is very fucking sad too. You can see the real passion she had for singing and acting.
No. 231334
>>230722You're right, but LC is full of the same insane kinds of people who bash VenusAngelic, claim she was never abused and are ironically the biggest fucking NLOGs and pickmes that love shitting on other women for not being perfect automatons. I really hope the anons saying she's a gross person as an adult are just teenagers. I'm only about 60% of the way in, but she goes into so many of her mistakes and unflattering thoughts. She literally writes about her OCD as the "voice of the Holy Spirit" initially because that's what she thought it was as a child. You have to be bananas to think all of this is to be taken at face value. It's painfully obvious she was just laying out the shitty mindset imposed on her by her life circumstances. If you honestly need an apology and a disclaimer every fucking paragraph, you should stay away from anything that isn't pure fluff. I also feel like some anons are too naive to realize that nearly all the girls and women in Hollywood
still have that same mindset she described. Pickme thoughts, jealousy, internalized misogyny. All of it is literally groomed into them by a combination of industry practices, constant self-criticism and regular abuse from narcissistic individuals with power. They're pushed to see each other as competition. None of your successful "faves" are exempt, they pretty much have to adopt that POV to succeed. At best, they can turn the shit off sometimes and breathe. If you defend someone like Ariana Grande in this context and unironically think you're being "anti-pickme", you're lying to yourself
No. 231485
>>231389I fucking hate her dad. He was a spineless, ineffectual piece of shit who, along with the grandpa, watched Jennette work herself into a mental breakdown without doing a thing to step in. She brings up some nice memories she has with him, but they're all when she's very small and her view of her parents would have been relatively uncomplicated.
That aside, who cares if the mother is BPD, a narc, or the child of a narc? What she did to Jennette was monstrous and you won't catch me feeling sorry for her for a second. She had to feel up her own daughter, bathe her with her brother, teach her to count calories, and verbally intimidate her, all because her friend and husband were having an affair? I'm sure Karen was a bad friend, narcs don't usually form long-term non-blood relationships with nice people.
No. 231525
So, has anyone else searched for the mentioned moments of the show while reading the book? I bet it's a completely different experience if you've watched the series before, but even without knowing anything, it was still heartbreaking for me to watch the clips and know what was going on in the head of the girl featured.
Here's one I remembered the most:
> A shoot day. It took an hour and a half for Patti — my makeup artist but also one of my dear friends in this crew — to do my makeup because I couldn’t stop crying. I’m a mess. I’m distraught. I feel deceived and hurt and angry
>I pull on my costume sluggishly and head down to set. I haven’t memorized my lines because I don’t care anymore. I wish they would just fire me. This place is toxic and bad for my already poor mental health. I want out.
>I arrive to set for a scene in a boxing ring. (One of my castmates plays a boxer who is managed by a ten-year-old.) I thumb through my lines, silent.
>We start rolling. First take, I get through— barely. Second take, I get through — barely. Third take — I don’t get through at all. In the middle of my second line, my breathing gets away from me and speeds up, like it does whenever a panic attack is coming on. Shit. I see stars. I’m afraid I’m gonna pass out. Then I collapse on the floor. My chest heaves. Drool spills out of my mouth as the most hideous, intense cry of my life pours out of me. In front of everyone: the cast, the crew, the extras.
She looks so out of it, my heart hurts from how clearly all the feelings she described are visible on the video.
No. 231548
>>231492it was clear her mom was trying to live vicariously through her. but then realized jen was the one actually getting the attention and not her, and then she lost it. irrational facepalmable behavior is what mental illness actually looks like. it's pretty common for mothers to become jealous of and feel threatened by their daughters once they pass puberty. our culture pretends this doesn't exist and crucifies you if you ever bring it up. but in most child abuse it's the mother abusing the daughter. daughters are always treated like shit, parentified, have their burgeoning sexuality obsessed over and get called a slut even when they're a virgin because they are visibly maturing and everyone loses their minds over it. everyone is up in the daughter's business obsessing over controlling her, while the sons get a free pass without a second glance. families will even kneecap their daughter to turn her into a slave for everyone else and keep her uneducated, unsocialized, bereft of self confidence, and clinging to her parents for survival, while cleaning their house and being their emotional incest tampon. and for all of history this was just accepted without comment. daughters are always sacrificed and scapegoated. the next women's sufferage is going to be speaking out about how society treats daughters and the overwhelming abundance of systemic child abuse and
victim-silencing.
you can talk about women's solidarity but meanwhile mothers are the ones making life hell for their own daughters. no matter what a daughter does, it's wrong, and it places an impossible burden on her, the madonna whore complex taken to insane levels. people need to stay out of their daughter's underpants and get over it. hell, for their own safety i would say it's best if women have a safe place to evacuate to, like a boarding school, by age 12 so they can escape the inevitable onslaught of their parents becoming obsessed with their sexuality (even when there is no sexuality except that projected.)
No. 231668
>>231092Anons are telling you to shut the hell up because it's the least interesting thing about the book and you're derailing the thread with your constant ranting. What do you want us to do about her being a pick me huh? You want us to beat her ass?
I came here to read reactions to the book but it's full of dumbasses like you who live online ranting about her being an tUrbO nLOg. Go outside and gain some perspective
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>>230643out of curiosity I looked it up, fuck this scrote
No. 231853
>>230921You're the fool if you paid money for it expecting "celebrity tea" and enough evidence to put Dan Schneider behind bars. It was very obviously always gonna be a book about her experiences, her mother and some light context around Nickelodeon. The fact you believed gossip websites and then were dissapointed is a You problem. I get that we're on a gossip site but Jenette literally isnt a cow.
Also the farmers saying she trashed Ariana either didnt read the book or have third grade reading level. She never called Ariana mean, entitled, ugly or whatever. She never said anything about Ariana herself, she only expressed the feelings she had towards Ariana when she was 18, 12 years ago, and she very clearly acknowledges those feelings werent Ariana's fault. But then again, why am i surprised, considering many farmers sided with Depp.
No. 231882
>>231660I think Jennette makes very good points about being a child actor and the trap that it is. On top of iCarly bringing up a lot of messy feelings, it looks mediocre career wise to just be known for one thing and one thing only. Her gain to fame was her role as Sam Puckett, and to return to that can look like "oh, can she not land anything better? What a one hit wonder" sort of feeling. As an outsider I wouldn't have seen it like that, but the way she explains it, it makes sense. She also says something earlier in the book (can't find it right now) about child actors becoming famous at a young age and then being stuck in child actor roles forever. It's a trap and it's difficult to move on to adult/more respected roles because you are known for the role you had as a kid and can't escape that.
Liz Gillies managed to escape but I think that isn't really the norm. I don't really keep up with actors though, so I don't know kek. My image is always shit like Amanda Bynes or Lindsay Lohan- people who went off their rocker as an adult.
No. 232151
>>232132why do you think that? it does not come across as that to me, at all
>>232052What has Miranda Cosgrove been up to recently, actually?
>>231882While Jennette explains that she never wanted to be an actress and would not act again, she also said something akin to there being a slim chance of her doing it if it's a different and more interesting role than Sam Puckett. To be honest, I would like to see her act again. Maybe in some A24 movie.
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>>232151I mean tbh not much? I think in terms of acting, miranda and jenette were the same, bogged down by their previous child roles. i think miranda is more stable because her parents weren't fucking crazy like jenette's mom was
No. 240585
I've read Janette's book, so don't come at me. I'm not saying she's lying about everything she's been through. The main thing I find sus is her "eating disorder". Apparently she had it for over a decade. Really? I know people with eating disorders. None of the anorexic/bulimic people I've seen IRL or otherwise look like her. I've watched iCarli and she was never that skinny. I tried looking for her photo online and she's neveer skinny. Theres always a little chub there. I'm not calling her fat, just not skiny. Not anorexic skinny anyways.
And those disorders don't just affect your weight. Her hair and nails are gorgeous. It might be make up and filters, but her skin isn't that bad either.
Yea, her mother probably ruined her self esteem, but calory restriction is not an eating disorder. It's normal for actors to diet. It's normal for actors to be under pressure and have people around them picking on their weight. I'm not calling this acceptable, but damn Jannette, just shut the fuck up, won't you? It's like her entire personality is currently "My mom was an asshole and everybody was mean to me all the time". She calls herself a writer, but all her work after iCarli are about the TrAuMa she has experienced. How long is she going to milt this shit? Yea, it's really sad that you made millions of dollars :( But isn't time you get yourself a personality or something?
No. 240646
>>230246In one of the interviews she said that she wanted to write from the perspective of her younger self, and that's how I perceived it too. It's pretty natural for a young girl to think about ruffles as stupid if she doesn't feel comfortable wearing them but someone makes her to, she wouldn't think "well, ruffles are pretty ok and it's awesome if other girls enjoy wearing them, it's just not my style".
If I'm not mistaken, in her book she also mentioned how jealous she was of her brothers, basically because they were free to do whatever they wanted since their mom didn't bother them. You could say that men in general are "freer" where women are bound by certain expectations, and that's what makes girls that feel like they don't fit in hate "girly stuff" or struggle to relate to other women. They don't get it yet that expectations and stereotypes are the problem, not women. They don't understand yet where all this shit comes from. Basically, they just confuse cause and effect, and can't see a bigger picture yet. So it's easier for them to relate to boys who don't have to care about all that stuff that's being imposed on them as girls. And Jennette had to hyperfocus on her appearance from quite a young age, so it'd be natural for her to start hating "girly" things (not knowing what or whom she should've hated instead) and become an nlog. That said, I personally don't remember anything super nlog in the book.
No. 241202
>>240585Look at her pictures when she was around 10-11. She is extremely skinny for a child that age. And she was skinny when iCarly first started. Her bulimia took over soon after though and that led to weight gain. Also please educate yourself on dangers of bulimia. Most people with it look fairly normal but it can kill you faster than being a spoop.
But anon are you actually retarded? Restricting your preteen/teen's daughter food intake is
abusive, disordered, and wrong on all levels. I cannot emphasize how deeply fucked up one has to be to think any of this is normal. If we are to believe her, even other people around her thought something was wrong(doctors, the mom at dance classes). I hope you never ever have a daughter, for her sake.