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No. 1356618
The Death Positive Movement encourages people to speak openly about death, dying, and corpses. The term "death positive" was popularized by Caitlin Doughty, better known online as Ask a Mortician. She is an American mortician, author, YouTuber, and death acceptance advocate. However, she is overwhelmingly hated in the funerary industry for:
>Joining the industry for fame and aesthetic.>Putting out incorrect information and stating personal opinions as facts. >Allegedly getting a college student expelled from a college she doesn’t even attend over a difference of opinion.>Rumors of bullying other women in the industry over petty reasons. >Trying to paint all funeral directors and embalmers as crooks who take advantage of grieving families.>Pretending to care about the families’ wishes, but shaming them if they choose to take an approach that she doesn’t approve.>Fetishizing foreign funerary practices while demonizing Western customs.>Writing insufferable NLOG-y books with quirky humor. BooksSmoke Gets In Your Eyes
>Full of disrespectful comments towards the dead and their families. For example: flippant jokes about cremating dead babies, mocking a dead baby’s name, bashing a woman for being unprepared for the death of her mother, shaming the mother of a dead 9 year old for using the wrong credit card and choosing a quick cremation, etc.>Judges grieving families harshly when they don’t deal with death as she would have.>Defends a tribe’s practice of cannibalizing their dead while criticizing American hospitals for being too clean. In her eyes, this means that Americans are scared of facing death.>Suggests letting the elderly die to fight against overpopulation.>Caitlin went to BDSM clubs to get tied and whipped as a teenager.>She attempted suicide because a guy friend rejected her, changed her mind and hooked-up with a random hitchhiker she found outside of her hostel.From Here to Eternity
>A travelogue of her experiences with other death practices that she has encountered. >Western traditional funerary practices are all bad, but whatever other cultures do is cool.>The more time with the corpse of your loved one, the better you are at accepting death and mourning the right way. For example: People spending years sleeping next to their mummified family members = Great. People cremating their family members after a viewing = They treat their dead like zoo animals.Will My Cats Eat My Eyeballs?
>An illustrated Q&A book targeted to kids to come to terms with death.>Filled with cringe jokes and outdated pop culture references.Social Mediahttps://twitter.com/thegooddeath https://www.youtube.com/c/AskAMortician https://www.facebook.com/OrderoftheGoodDeath https://www.instagram.com/thegooddeath This thread is to discuss her and other cows from the Death Positive Movement.
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Caitlin's teenage years
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Caitlin talking about a woman being unprepared for her mother's death
No. 1356625
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Her Baby Cremation Game
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Caitlin calling the parents of Ashley, a dead 9 year old girl, thoughtless for using an online cremation service
No. 1356630
>>1356622 I guess i can understand her being bitter about these things. It's like that when you are a proffesional in something you get kinda detached from other people's views on the thing. It sucks and you should check yourself but it happens sometimes. Everybody bitches about their customers.
>>1356625 This one though is just creepy. I think i'm a morbid person as well but anything about babies crosses the line for me.
I watched her videos a lot back in the day, it's interresting to read other point of view on her.
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Some bullying allegations from other funeral directors. To be fair, this is just hearsay. I couldn't verify them, but scrolling back on Caitlin's Twitter feed, I have noticed that she used to screenshot negative criticism that she would receive without concealing the person's name. I wonder if her fans took things too far and harass her critics.
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askfuneraldirectors/comments/c7mxiz/what_do_you_think_of_ask_a_mortician/https://www.reddit.com/r/askfuneraldirectors/comments/9w77qz/opinions_on_caitlin_doughty/ No. 1356637
>>1356618Oh. That one. The thing that bugs me the most is that she turned her funeral business into some kind of lifestyle or fashion statement.
Her flamboyant haircut and background accessories are a complete disgrace for anyone suffering real grief.
tl:dr
Get your morbid goth vibes elsewhere bitch.
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>>1356636Summary of bullying allegations:
>Getting a mortuary student expelled over a difference of opinion expressed in Instagram>Tearing down another woman for being too girly and making the death care industry seem cool.>Mocking a female instructor from her mortuary school in her book. No. 1356660
>>1356625uh… how many editors read this and were like, totally keep the five before five dead baby thing.
i'm pretty morbid about hypothetical shit but when it's someone's real family it's different. it's so depressing to think that someone handling a dead mom or baby could be teeheeing to themselves about their corpse or about the bereaved's fucking finances.
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No. 1356693
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Caitlin looking through the belongings of a man who had committed suicide
No. 1356694
>>1356670>>1356660Caitlin is a sperg, but you're naive if you don't think most funeral directors have a strong sense of gallows humour and joke about their job a lot. It's not respectful, they don't say it in front of the families, but it's common for people who work with dead bodies to have a weird sense of humour about it. It was a gigantic dick move to publish it in a book, even with the names redacted, but the sense of humour itself is not a problem imo.
Imo she's not autistic, she can read the room. She's not joking about dead babies where the majority of her soft tumblr viewers can see her. She was making the edgy jokes in a special interest book she expected only industry insiders and diehard fans to read.
I think the industry gatekeeping and NLOG harassment of any mortician more attractive than her is much worse than making dead baby jokes. Her hatred of embalming has never sat right with me, and it saddens me to think how many families have been pressured into something they didn't want, because their funeral director would throw a tantrum if they said otherwise.
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>>1356694I have some excerpts about her views on embalming.
No. 1356705
>>1356694I don’t know, anon. I’m not in the funeral industry but know a lot of paediatric oncologists as well as people who perform some pretty gruesome animal experiments, and while it’s true that all of them have developed a certain emotional detachment to stay sane, the only ones who have “dead babies lmao xD”-tier humour are callous assholes in their nonprofessional lives as well. I suspect some people gravitate towards certain industries
because they’re already edgy and unempathetic and aren’t affected by death and suffering as much as others are.
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>>1356694She doesn't seem liked by people in the industry
No. 1356781
>>1356738If I ran a business trying to guilt trip grieving families into paying thousands of dollars more than they anticipated and there was someone on the internet telling people what their options were and how cheap a funeral can actually be I'd be pretty pissed at them, too.
Love her or hate her, she is right about a lot of things.
No. 1356806
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Caitlin clapping back at the haterz from the comment section of her videos.
No. 1356811
>>1356738She still might have no decent conception of WHY people hate her. Who would wrap your deceased family member in and have fun while clocking their cremation, just in time before dinner?
She might be somewhere in the autism spectrum, yes, but it doesn't give her the right to be an asshole in public.
Does she even know about the very concept of personal grief?
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No. 1356821
>>1356703This take is more stale than the corpses she cremates; Jessica Mitford critiqued the American funeral industry "The American Way of Death" in the 60's.
>>1356802Yeah, she's not wrong insofar as that the funeral industry is kind of predatory and that embalming is weird, but attitudes and practices around death vary immensely from culture to culture and all of them are weird to an outsider or somebody trying to observe them from a neutral lens. Her perspective towards traditional burials comes off as very 'anthropology 101' and her praise of non-Western rituals and attitudes towards death has no moral or logical basis given that the way people handle death and mourning is entirely culture-dependent.
No. 1356883
>>1356877Could be some close friend of the Addams Family in a direct-to-DVD spinoff.
I truly hate that strategically placed
memento mori in the foreground.
No. 1356893
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>>1356781Other people who are not in the funerary business, but deal with grieving families or sick/dead people don't like her either.
>As I said, I work in healthcare. I've seen people grieve, and in no instance whatsoever did it ever occur to me that they were doing it wrong. >The fact that Doughty felt qualified to judge people's body disposal preferences based on a year spent in a crematory is appalling. Her lack of ability to empathize was concerning (maybe the family with the child they cremated found it too difficult to have to physically call and discuss having their daughter's body disposed of). No. 1356900
>>1356896She's up her own ass about green burials (which I'm not inherently against, it's just how dogmatic she is about how everyone should have one because she said so) and will likely have herself lain out on an LA freeway to be picked apart by scavenger birds or some shit because that's the natural way.
Also cracks me up that for someone who is so about green burials her own home isn't even the cheapest in LA.
No. 1356903
>>1356694I work in the industry and while every home is managed differently, we are not like this. Not even in private. This is a high-stress job and its important to maintain respectability and trust with families because they're having a difficult time as it is. And a lot of people I know, some of whom work in the home with me, are tired of being assumed to be this way. There's acceptance of the inevitable and then there's this weird aesthetic Catilin is obsessed with defining herself as.
I wouldn't think to laugh at someone's dead loved one because that's not how I process anything.
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>>1356900Did something happened to her funeral home? The website was taken down. I found this listing with the prices, but I have no idea if they are cheap for LA standards or if it's updated.
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>>1356908I can't imagine very many people are taking them up on their offer to scrape mom's bones out of the oven. She needs to drop the "empowerment" and put more emphasis on low-cost, green burials. Pisses me off how out of touch she is with average people. Though it looks like her funeral home was bought out and the new management does exactly that so good for them.
No. 1356931
>>1356928I jokingly audibly gasped. She works alongside an EMBALMER?! Isn't that, like, her sworn enemy?
I bet she doesn't mouth off to that woman at all. She seems like a huge pussy in person.
No. 1356932
>>1356924Lulz, that's so 2011. One could turn every brain fart into a TED Talk back then.
But if you're into the fifteen minutes of fame like that morbid attention whore…
No. 1356934
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>>1356924I wonder if she is just a figurehead in Clarity. With just her Patreon, she is earning at least $13,502 per month (assuming that everyone is paying the lowest tier):
https://www.patreon.com/thegooddeath No. 1356940
>>1356938The type of gal googling her name, every fucking day.
There are many out there.
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Pretty funny that she tries to impress her own good™ methods on her customers instead of - maybe - listening to their own needs.
Not a good way to conduct a business.
I also hate her ridiculous, shameless goth haircut.
No. 1356980
>>1356958>if that irritates you you should probably switch professions.Full stop. Ayrt sounds like one of the asshurt stans who didn't want a thread made on her in the first place.
>>1356976I've always wondered about that myself. She looks like Lord Farquad, I honestly don't get why she keeps that hairstyle. She looks like a fucking troon.
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>>1356962Yeah. Seems like we know where she got that style from.
Now take a look at one of her book covers.
No. 1356990
>>1356962>>1356983>>1356986You see, that's just her living a lifestyle of stylish (ugly) morbidity and she tries to make a buck with it. Maybe she's in for the controversy and even enjoys all the spite.
And all that is not even very original 'cause she stole it.
Dunno why, but her silly death show grinds my gears more than it should.
No. 1356995
>>1356993Is that ayrt talking about smoke gets in your eyes? Because that was published by a company that's been around since the 1920s. All three of her books are published by that same company actually.
Some anons itt are sus but its to be expected because lc was bound to have some "dethLINGS XDDD" hanging around who would lick Catilin's necrotic asshole.
No. 1357008
>>1357004>There is a sort of… morbid sence of humour that comes along with the job but it’s never at the expense of the individual. The way she’s talked about those families - especially the children, I’m surprised she has any customers. If she was a nurse she’d have likely lost her licence.This, right here. One of my aunts is a nurse and while her sense of humor has always been dry, she's never done this at the expense of patients or their families. We don't behave this way at my funeral home, not even behind closed doors. I know that laughter can be a coping mechanism, but I'm tired of people pushing this who are outside of either industry like they just finished their first intro to psych class and automatically know everything that goes on, because they don't. Prior to this I was working in hospice care and not once did I ever hear anyone crack jokes at the expense of any patient. I feel like she truly barely works at "her" funeral home. Otherwise, she'd know the range of emotions one can feel (and sometimes its anger when you learn of the unjust ways some people die) and what its like to have to manage that on top of the family's.
I have wondered if part of why people put up with her is because she's located in the loony bin that is L.A.
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She reminds me of this other bitch on Instagram who posts gore and now is charging a premium for said gore. She always cries about haters too, they looked a lot alike so for the longest I thought they were the same fat goth white bitch.
No. 1357115
>>1357063saging because drunk linguistic pondering but is it fat goth white bitch or fat white goth bitch, linguistically speaking?
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Contextual-Determinants-of-Adjective-Order%3A-Beyond-Smirnova-Lenarsky/86c776eeb9ea8bc5f16a152045e8e4bd55acb4baeither way this is an insufferable genre of person.
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>>1357063Don’t mean to a-log but i honestly think looking at gore as a hobby is weird enough on its own and the way she writes these image descriptions and the weird “check it out more in the gross room!!” thing she adds at the bottom is so off putting. like bitch you’re not advertising your onlyfans, these are real pictures of people who probably couldn’t consent to having their mutilated dead bodies photographed and put on the Internet for everyone to see
No. 1357153
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>>1357008>>1357004Speaking of the elderly
No. 1357166
>>1357063Maybe this thread should have been called Fat Goth Bitches kek
What is the reasoning behind posting gore? How does she get away with it on ig of all places?
No. 1357238
>>1357122No way. This can't be real. This is real??? No way. Is this legal??? People buy this?? I knew there was a risk of weirdos selling your body parts under the table, but selling pictures of your dead body like some onlyfans account? Jesus. Women can't even escape exploitation in death. Now we have retarded fucking shits like this making CONTENT out of it. Oh that's just infuriating.
People who work in the "death industry" sharing stories to me is fine so long as they leave it completely anonymous, but including names and pictures and making fun of them for millions of views and money is just plain foul.
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Caitlin reminds me of Mrs. Turnblad
No. 1357297
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>>1357134I am not a funeral director, but I have read their criticism. Most of them agree that there are scammers out there and wish that the public was more informed to take better decisions. They wouldn't have much issue with Caitlin if she was actually trying to help families identify scams or inform them of the available options. But she paints all funeral directors, especially the ones offering traditional services and embalmers, as scam artists and then pushes her alternative burials agenda. She has even mocked families in pain to get her point across. Add to that all the kids who now think that mortuary school is goth wonderland because of her. Imagine if people thought that Dr. House is an accurate portrayal of a medical professional and all the sarcastic assholes with no interest in helping people suddenly want to join the field.
>>1357144Is she? Because for me, she is informing people that they can refuse traditional services and then pressures them to get alternative methods.
No. 1357307
>>1357153That whole excerpt has really rubbed me the wrong way. She writes as though every resident in a care home is going to end up with grade 4 pressure sores. Pressure sores happen, but nursing homes and hospitals are
meticulous about maintaining healthy skin. Also her comments are so brushed off and sweeping missing the whole host of complicated reasons of why people end up in residential or nursing homes. Homes are not just places where you drop off the elderly or unwell members of your family to die in a hole where they’re ignored and left to rot. Many elderly people remain at home until their death but a lot do better in care homes as they get the social interaction they need, not just from the staff but from people around them who are similar in age and life experiences. I think she needs to pay mind that adjacent to her industry is another one full of professionals.
No, we don’t have euthanasia but we do have a lot of research into palliative and end of life pathways and ensuring that whoever is dying isn’t in pain.
And whilst I have no doubt that the funeral industry has people in it who capitalise of death and she does have some really good points, especially in regards to talking to your loved ones about death, she seems to have a very narrow mind of what constitutes a ‘good death’. There are a lot of people who when they’re well are adamant they want to die at home and then when they’re ill, decide they would prefer hospice care. There is lots of research in this area, lots of nursing journals and medical papers about it, it forms a huge part of training for people who work in those areas.
Also, a lot of people do spend time with a loved one who has just died. I’ve worked with people who have spent an hour or two saying goodbye to loved ones who have passed and occasionally people who don’t want to be around the body at all. You can’t tell someone how they should or shouldn’t process a death. I wonder if for a lot of people a funeral isn’t just a time to say goodbye to a loved one, but also to connect with family and celebrate a life and, yknow… talk to people…
Finally, dementia isn’t some kind of wierd death row sentencing where your going to end up locked up in a home and forgetting everything and everyone doomed to a tragic existence and then your dead. I could go on and on but I don’t want to clog the thread rebutting her nonsense.
Sorry for the sperg
No. 1357327
>>1357122Is she actually selling photos of deceased
victims of violent crime?
And would she talk this way if it was her family member? I don't get these people.
>>1357306Wow, she is the polar opposite to Caitlin.
No. 1357330
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>>1356986Is she even licensed to do cremations? I couldn't find her license on the Cemetery and Funeral Bureau license lookup, only the funeral director one.
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No. 1357376
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>>1357330She did cremations when she worked in Westwind Cremation & Burial in 2008 when she was 22.
>>1356986 is from 2015.
No. 1357423
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Caitlin's suicide attempt
>Luke, her friend, rejects her after she writes him a long sappy letter
>She writes e-mails to her friends and family saying goodbye and specifying what she wanted them to do with her body
>She checks in a hostel
>She goes into a hiking trail in Northern California
>She says she has come there to die
>No one comes by, she decides to stop her "suicide attempt"
>She walks out of the forest
>She meets a hitchhiker named Casey and sleeps with him
Two chapters before this incident she says that working in the crematory and seeing death daily made her appreciate life and want to live more fully.
No. 1357427
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Found this post on her IG. I understand that Caitlin wants to address rumors, but why put this woman on blast for her deathlings to go after? Even if she specifies that she doesn't want the person to be harassed, why not just make a post talking about her time in mortuary school without pointing the finger at someone?
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No. 1357449
>>1357423Samefag, she's not in any way attractive enough to get away with this level of crazy
>uwu tried to drive myself off a cliffUnderstand the crazy hot scale and know your place, woman. Applies to men too, the hotter you are the more crazy you can get away with being. She's a 4 acting like a crazy level 10.
No. 1357471
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>>1356618more like caitlin doughy amirite
No. 1357477
>>1356622nah she's right about that stuff, most people's lives now are so separated from death that they do stupid shit like this.
i am STOKED for this thread though, i feel like i found a big bag of candy. Caitlin's persona is annoying and she's so fucking cringily full of herself.
this kind of "i collect victorian medical implements" happy-spoopy fat bitch character was bearable if you were under 25 in 2005.
No. 1357490
>>1357483Because she's a Youtuber, also she has some normal outfits.
I will say that she has some cringe jokes and is basically just a geriatric millineal who acts like a turbo tard on Twitter. Admittedly I've only seen like 3-4 of her longer narrative videos that all seemed pretty well made with quality footage and history, I was willing to write her off as someone who got fuked into the twittosphere 150 charachter spergatory but jfc that book LMAO
No. 1357501
>>1357320kek @ all the anons claiming to be in the funeral industry.
i don't think that many regular users of a forum populated by 21-year-olds are morticians.
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>>1356940Do you guys think that she is reading this thread right now?
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>>1357483Do you prefer her Victorian funeral director attire?
No. 1357573
>>1357570Does it include pissing on said grave?
That would be fitting for her "services".
No. 1357594
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>>1357490Someone else writes and edits her videos.
No. 1357606
>>1357501I do work in the industry and I'm the one who requested this thread last week. Also,
>21 year oldsI'm over 30 and you are aware that most funeral director programs are 2-3 years plus apprenticeship, right? It's a trade, it's not something which takes 8 years to achieve licensure for. I don't understand why the baseless hostility and you honestly sound like one of caitlin's stans.
No. 1357622
>>1357479>>1356620By the way, The Dungeon was definitely a BDSM club that existed in Honolulu, where Caitlin grew up.
>a “pop-up” warehouse club type BDSM fetish event that took place once a month; whips ‘n chains ‘n flogging polls; erotica (voyeurism and exhibitionism); gothic, industrial and synth-pop DJ music & dancingThe only reference to Flesh I could find is connected to Galaxy Nightclub
>an old 2 floors club that transformed into the “AfterHours” venue on Saturday nights. It featured the Flesh, Ultra and The Dungeon events, featuring Goth music mixes and BSDM themes.Source:
https://tastyislandhawaii.com/2013/08/28/oahu-bars-nightclubs-memorialized/comment-page-7/ No. 1357644
>>1357642There's no point.
Nonny sounds like one of the twitterfags stumbling around trying to integrate and assuming everyone is her age. This site's been around since 2014 and isn't some secret club.
>>1357622I feel like people are going to defend her with the 'all teenagers do edgy stuff like this', but I really feel sick to my stomach knowing that she was underage and going to places like this.
No. 1357755
>>1357691I’m surprised her woke army didn’t cancel her for mocking a suicide
victim and all the other vile shit she talks about tragically deceased people and their grieving families. “Depressed madman”? “Suicidal lunatic”? That’s awfully ableist and not very professional of you, Doughgirl.
No. 1357758
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>>1357755Oh but anon that's just her gallows humor and all funeral directors totes behave that way, so declareth Lady Doughy and her cult of winged liner porkers.
Peep the comments of picrel. She and her followers are deranged. I'm not saying that babies don't die, but this woman has a fixation.
https://twitter.com/thegooddeath/status/851174832653844480 No. 1357773
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>>1357769Once again showcasing that her true intentions are her fixation with the morbid, not actually helping anybody or attempting to look like anything less than some spoopy goff mom. True crime fetishists are a plague.
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And whatever the fuck this whole thing was. It looks like she was begging for some kind of engagement on her twitter by making shit up.
No. 1357785
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Like an old fuck desperately trying to seem hip and relevant by using terms like 'iconic' as if she's a zoomer or yaas draggy. Also, way to label a child's corpse as possibly haunted in order to garner those clicks, Doughbitch.
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So kind and caring uwu. Celebs can be stupid at times, but they still have families and friends who grieve for them. Such death positivity. More like callousness.
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No. 1357873
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>>1357853>The only thing which has protected Caitlin from this sort of backlash is people's ignoranceI don't know, the deathlings share her brand of humor. Picrel are the comments under
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>>1357873yikes, wtf is wrong with these fans?
No. 1357934
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>>1357622I want to add some things that I found about The Dungeon:
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2007/09/14/features/genegabus.html (Sept 2007)
>THE FREAKS invade Galaxy Nightclub one last time this weekend, as veteran promoter Matthew Grim pulls the plug on "The Dungeon" after 14 years of monthly debauchery.>Now based in Los Angeles, he continues to promote and host alternative lifestyle events, including the recent "Sexopolis" party in Hollywood and a quarterly "Bondage Ball." But will Grim, who grew up in Honolulu, come back to the islands to throw another party?http://hostagezine.blogspot.com/2011/10/punish-yoself.html (Oct 2011)
>Earlier there was the almost elitist Dungeon facebook group, which didn't allow anyone who was too young or "new" to remember the mid 1990's fetish/fantasy nights of pleasurable punishment, put on by the friendliest freak in Honolulu - Courtney. >Welcoming/Warning us that "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way", you enter to find an array of options you wish every club could offer.>Of course, there's the darling Dominatrices, whom people pay to be punished by. To your delectable delight, there will also be Stage Performers>The Suspension Crew, will be living up and giving in to the multiple meanings of "flesh hookers.">And DJs for daze including Old Skool Headliners Romell of Razed IN Black goth glory & Daniel J shedding some Light on "the rebirth of Filth, Pain, Torture & Love.">Producer James S. went from being a spectator to set decorator, helping construct some of the devices of torture that many a slave became attached to, physically and psychosexually. >Sensually Yours will likely be a one stop store, for a lot of the doms, slaves, johns, janes, whores & more.tl;dr The Dungeon was closed in September 2007, but a Facebook group organized reunion events reminiscent of the ones hosted in the original club. It paints a picture of the type of events that Caitlin attended as a teenager with her friends.
Picrel is a woman in lingerie standing in front of a man in a gimp suit tied up to a giant cross or X, which might be the same one referenced here
>>1356620 on her book.
No. 1357968
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>>1357938It reminds me of the soyboy face, but goth.
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>>1356962Caitlin's inspiration is a witch with bangs who hates children.
No. 1358131
>>1357785i think she could have this attitude/image/content if she called herself a historian or "death historian" or something. she even could have done the same videos, just not as a mortician, as a "Death hobbyist" or some shit.
this kind of content is dumb and silly coming from a supposed mortician or funeral director
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>>1358143this is her natural bangs
No. 1358182
>>1358133Nope. I wasn't exaggerating one bit and I'm happy that you posted the video for comparison.
I don't get how somebody who is allegedly so passionate about being a funeral director just shuts down their business for a week and justifies it by saying it's because they needed to vlog. And it wasn't even an educational vlog either, it was so self-serving. Even when she travels to other locations in order to shit out content, she brings absolutely nothing to the table that one couldn't have already found in books elsewhere. This woman only cares about aesthetics and having people tell her that her farts smell like Lolita Lempicka.
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Caitlin is so quirky, you guys!
No. 1358507
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>>1358461But anon, all funeral directors love corpse stuff!
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>>1356625More excerpts from the chapter on baby corpses.
>the tiny babies practically cremated themselves No. 1358563
>>1358444>Ebony Dark'ness Dementia bitchkek
I’m a goth (in case you couldn’t tell) and I wear mostly black. I love Hot Topic and I buy all my clothes from there. For example today I was wearing a black corset with matching lace around it and a black leather miniskirt, pink fishnets and black combat boots. I was wearing black lipstick, white foundation, black eyeliner and red eye shadow. I was walking outside the crematory. It was snowing and raining so there was no sun, which I was very happy about. A lot of mourners stared at me. I put up my middle finger at them.
(no1currs) No. 1358566
>>1358517Can the whiteknights fuck off already.
>>1358565Never thought I'd see the day when a janny was this new, holy shit.
>>1358536What's with her fixation on dying kids?
No. 1358595
>>1358583Boo-hoo, cry me a river. I'm sooo traumatized now.
She should go and get a therapy then instead of worshipping all kinds of corpses.
No. 1358612
>>1358184This may be a reach, but with all that we've seen I wouldn't be surprised if she's a necrophile. With the bdsm shit, wannabe goth, morbidity fetish, and tweets like this and others she seems like the type who has zero respect for the deceased because at that point they're just organic matter to her. I mean, she's so dogmatic about green funerals that its evident that she thinks the bodies of loved ones shouldn't mean shit to their families. A total stranger's death becomes about her and they have no say in it, from her making videos and posts about cases she has zero connection with to talking about how ~*iconic*~ and haunted the body of a dead child is.
Her fans are fucked up and so is she.
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>>1358612She has made jokes about it, but I don't think she would cross that line.
(The guy on the pic is Conner Habib:
https://connerhabib.com/about-2/)
No. 1358665
>>1358614Fangs 2 da gothic ppl 4 da support! I'm unbanned now.
>>1358513Is this a real skull? The photo is giving off some disturbing necro vibes.
No. 1358671
>>1356618Embalming shouldn’t be practiced anymore; it serves as another pollutant and interferes with the decomposition process.
Hate her for her social ineptitude, but don’t hate her for encouraging better burial methods.
No. 1358925
>>1358740Imagine the power "impact" when the deceased drove cars that were gas guzzlers all his life.
That bit of a cremation won't change a single bit.
Corpse-Caitlin The Morbid does what any good salesman would do: She sells the idea, not the product.
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>>1356928I took a look at the Yelp reviews. Maybe it's just me, but I find it strange that the grieving families were plugging Caitlin's books or YouTube channel. It seems like the other women do all the work around the funeral home.
No. 1359009
>>1358942How do you call that style?
"IKEA granny"?
And don't overlook the ever-present fake skull, dear visitor of mine, cuz I'm speshull and edgy!
No. 1359319
>>1359290>>1359301>Pearl-clutchingI may be a "mean girl", but I have at least a little empathy. If I lost a child, I'd be horrified to see the mortician I hired writing about what a cheap callous bitch I was for being distant and low on funds, or writing about how she made a game of "pitching my infant in the furnace" or whatever. And as someone who has lost someone to suicide, her ridiculous fantasizing over what that man had in his backpack and referring to him as a potential madman or psycho is beyond tasteless. Maybe if these were jokes about made up cadavers, or she didn't sensationalize actual people's deaths as their supposed post-mortem caretaker, people wouldn't be as up in arms. But she's literally selling intimate parts of her clients lives (and deaths), all while slandering them, and she can't take even the slightest criticism in return. It's literally part of her job to treat her clients and their mourning with respect, and she can't even feign it for a second. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a pretty huge difference between making fun of retards who are a threat to themselves or others, and selling the details of your client's lives and deaths just for clout, all while shitting on them because you don't think their funerary plans are aesthetically cool enough.
No. 1359350
>>1359343Bold of you to assume I'm reading or participating in those threads.
>>1359348You don't have to be here if you aren't enjoying it.
No. 1359464
>>1359431>>1359429I’m not personally super bothered by a lot of this, but are
either of? you really unable to realize that there are more options than being so autistic about death that you brag about speedrunning baby cremations and berate every grieving person who isn’t up to your standards, and literally having a breakdown at the sight of a body? Like, people are clearly complaining about her lack of professionalism and inability to even pretend to sympathize with people dealing with traumatic losses, not demanding to know why she doesn’t think dead things are icky.
No. 1359555
>>1359464Being an emotional mess or an edgy Morticia Addams wannabe are the only options, sorry
nonny. Professionalism? Not in this house.
(Gotta question why anyone is standing up for this woman)
No. 1359588
>>1359429>It's necessaryNine out of ten embalmers disagree! Seriously, though, have you even read the thread? She's considered an unprofessional asshole by basically everyone in the industry.
>>1359431>The only two ways a person could respond to death are by making dead baby jokes or crying uncontrollablyAre you actually retarded, or have you just never been to a funeral? People aren't demanding that she act out the role of a professional mourner (though she would probably like if they did), they're just saying she shouldn't publically trash talk the dead for not killing themselves in a way that satisfies her aesthetic, or the families of the dead for daring to pay for her services, but not the services
she wants. Anons upthread were right that she would be fired and banned from the industry if she were a nurse. She would probably write a tell-all memoir about how she had a comatose patient who disappointed her because he didn't wake up at a cool moment and wasn't as elegant as they are on TV.
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>>1359395On the topic of cannibalism,
>The Wari’ were mortuary cannibals, meaning their form of cannibalism was a ritual performed at the time of death.>This total disappearance of the body was a great comfort to the family and community.>The difference is belief. The Wari’ had belief in the importance of total bodily destruction.>North Americans practice embalming, but we do not believe in embalming. It is not a ritual that brings us comfort. No. 1359817
>>1359630>North Americans practice embalming, but we do not believe in embalming. It is not a ritual that brings us comfort.Literally who the fuck is she to decide that for someone else? Most families, especially those with someone who died in a horrifically gorey way (car accident or something along the lines of), favor embalming because otherwise its an extremely devastating thing to have to see all throughout the ceremony while you're in shambles as it is. Someone they love is already gone and they've had to do tons of planning, contacting services and relatives, figuring out assets and the will, etc and seeing them with their skull smashed isn't the final image they want in their memory. So sorry that people aren't nuanced enough for poor, tormented Caitlin Doughty, who must've went through such pains to jerk herself off to and salivate over what other cultures do with their deceased for this toilet paper she calls a book.
This feels reminiscent of her funeral foods video. You could see how smug and giddy she was to introduce morbid concepts to the audience for the shock factor first and foremost. Not to mention the author she cites in the video (Lisa Rogak) has already been under fire for years for that death warmed over book which she wrote because it has absolutely zero citations. Its just a giant, outdated book written in 2004 with two pages per country followed by the author's lazy ass to throw recipes of her own. She may as well have cited cracked.com
No. 1360155
>>1357796>>1357791I am not a lawyer, but this is what I understood. The timeline of the events:
>Evan is a lawyer and manager, but not a licensed talent agent.>In December 2011, Evan helped Caitlin negotiate a deal for a TV show called "Dead on Arrival".>In January 2012, Evan helped Caitlin negotiate potential TV projects like "All Things Dead", "The Joy of Death" and "Ask A Mortician".>In February 2012, Evan and Caitlin sign a written contract, where he would offer management services in exchange of 15-20% of her yearly earnings. The contract specifically states that Evan is not a licensed talent manager.>In February 2012, Evan and Caitlin are in discussions with National Geographic Channel for a show.>In October 2012, Evan negotiated a docuseries about either Caitlin's daily life as a mortician or following her around the world talking about death rituals.>In July 2013, Evan is in negotiations to get Caitlin's content hosted by Studio D&A.>In September 2013, Evan represented Caitlin for a possible interview with the BBC.>In May 2014, Evan is in negotiations to make Caitlin the host of a new TV series and an appearance in a docuseries called "The Seeing Machine". A writing, voice-over work and appearance on the Smithsonian Channel is also in negotiation.>In June 2014, Caitlin fires Evan.>In March 2015, Evan sues Caitlin for her refusal to pay compensation for his work. Caitlin countersues him arguing that the contract she signed should be void due to the Talent Agencies Act.>Evan argues that Caitlin is trying to avoid paying his attorney fees.>In April 2017, Caitlin wins the case and she doesn't have any obligation to pay Evan. No. 1360182
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>>1357621She admits it herself.
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>>1360155Does anyone find it suspicious how fast her Ask A Mortician schtick took off?
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/30/our-bodies-ourselveshttps://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/our-story/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlin_Doughtyhttps://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Ask_a_Mortician>2006-2007: Caitlin works in a crematory for Westwind.>2008-2010: Caitlin goes to Cypress College's Mortuary School.>2011: Caitlin starts her Ask A Mortician channel and creates the Order of the Good Death.>2014: Her book "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" is published.>2015: Caitlin and her business partner open Undertaking LA.>2017: Her book "From Here to Eternity" is published.>2019: Clarity Funeral Home buys Undertaking LA. Her book "Will My Cat Eat My Eyeballs?" is published.How was she getting offers for TV shows as early as December 2011, barely two months after she created her YT channel? Has she ever actually worked as a funeral director? The reviews at Undertaking LA and Clarity never mention her, unless it's to talk about her death positivity advocacy. Add to that all her book commitments, talks, workshops, YT stuff, etc. I doubt she has the time to help in the funeral home. Ironically Caitlin is all over Clarity's IG and there's not one mention of the embalmer who is doing all the work.
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I looked at Order of the good death's website and all involved were women of similar age, seemed really similar to Doughty. This lady even has the same haircut. Thoughts on this Order in general?
>Back then the Order’s founder, Caitlin Doughty, was a young funeral director working in Los Angeles, where she witnessed firsthand how the funeral industry set families up for failure both financially and emotionally. But let’s be honest, “funeral industry reform” is not a fun, sexy topic for advocacy.
Isn't that exactly what she thinks though.
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>>1360247The women that appear in her channel also have the same haircut.
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>>1358673How about this one?
No. 1360321
>>1360155So she screwed someone out of money even though they did what she asked of them?
>>1360199It looks like she herself probably runs that page and the rest of the funeral home workers just let her do it because it shuts her up. They're the ones doing the real work they went to school for while she wants to brand build and giggle on Twitter on about how different she is for wearing all black. Honestly, how embarrassing. Also, it does seem suspicious that she'd be getting TV show offers that soon..
No. 1360337
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>>1360199>>1360155She made her YT channel on October 1, 2011 and uploaded her first video on November 2, 2011. The negotiations for her first TV show started on December 12, 2011. She was a recently graduated mortuary school with around one year work experience in a crematory. Her early videos, even with her current fame, only have on average maybe 250k views. I am not sure if she was seeking these TV offers or someone approached her, but it's weird either way. Why would TV channels even have negotiations with Caitlin, when she was nobody at that point?
At least, this tells me that she was never interested in working as a funeral director. She wanted to become famous and be the Bill Nye for death enthusiasts and young goths. Also, "The Joy of Death"… was Caitlin pitching these names for the shows?
Anyway, I found something disturbing while I was looking for the specific dates of her channel's milestones. Caitlin's first YT video has photos in different angles of a dead dog surrounded by flies accompanied by the sound of electronic music. The poor animal was run over by a car. You can see his disfigured face and bowels plastered on the road.
No. 1360345
>>1360328No, she doesn't anon, because she expects everyone to act like her wannabe NCIS goth chick self. Everyone needs to just get over death and make jokes about it 25/8 because haha edgy and totes all who work in the industry do it and we're all just pearl clutchers!
>>1360337>shots of a mutilated animal with electronic music in the backgroundSuch a credit to the trade. Truly. This is groundbreaking, little deathlings!
No. 1360737
>>1360456Yeah, anon, because it's not like Caitlin's words perfectly align with her actions and explain her online petty behavior. That tweet is clearly in jest because she is your fave and she can do no wrong. Revealing the truth about yourself while half joking is completely unheard of and something that has never existed throughout history.
All those times when she was taking screenshots of negative comments from random nobodies, reacted to them on camera or sent her deathlings to harass people who badmouth her were funny little jokes. I am sure the people on the receiving end were laughing non-stop.
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>>1360744>She gives me "pick-me girl" energyCaitlin used to upload photos of random fat women in public and let her male friends make fun of them
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>>1360337>Why would TV channels even have negotiations with Caitlin, when she was nobody at that point? It really makes you think.
No. 1360811
>>1360754Caitlin is "feminist" when it suits her publicly, but it's pretty clear that she has always been a hateful pick-me. Just wannabe goth flavored. And since she chose a niche vlogging topic and alt girls have been fetishized for a few decades now, she gets a free pass to do whatever she wants.
>>1360744That's exactly what she is. I hate her cultural videos the most because they have never once felt sincere. They've always felt like she's just some spoopy version of a feed the children ad and she hopes that everyone afterward will like.. invite her home for pozole and tamales or some shit. And it's always so smug, too. I'm not saying that people can't appreciate other customs nor am I claiming appropriation, but it's just the way that SHE presents herself. She can't even hide it. I can't tell if she hates being white that much and wishes some other family would "adopt" her or some shit or if she wants those woke points for how she pronounces capirotada.
No. 1360816
>>1360809But.. that is why you picked it, Caitlin. Partially, at least.
Holy shit, she's so fucking defensive all the time.
No. 1360899
>>1360872I love how you people keep coming here to complain instead of just hiding the thread. Whiteknighting the cows is against the rules, so fuck off already. And you can't say that you aren't, because you are. You keep coming back to devil's advocate or outright defend this woman by downplaying anything she does as either normal or not that bad. Like
>>1360873 said: shoe0nhead gets shit on for having shamed other women's body types. Shayna has been given shit for being nasty about other women's bodies. Lori and Mariah, too. I'm sure there's other cows who do it whose threads I don't frequent.
No. 1360948
>>1360899there's like five anons making fun of the hypocrites pissiing their pants over caitlin in this thread, it's not just her
mocking death stuff isn't milky, i'm sure there's tons of "funny" funeral directors all over her country
No. 1360951
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>>1360948Threads allowed to be here. People need to get over it.
No. 1360976
>>1360956And guess what, anon? If there's no "milk", the thread will die organically. There's literally no need for you and others to keep shitting it up with your opinions about what is and isn't milk by YOUR standards.
Anons requested this thread, it was created, and here it is.
No. 1360996
>>1360940>>1360956Isn't it normal to go over a person's history in the first thread?
I am not sure what anons are expecting. Not every cow is a junkie, sex worker or a hot mess who can't hold a job. Just hide the thread and let others discuss her.
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Found these on the way back machine. Pretty sure this is what the Reddit person was talking about when referring their friend Mac. (Also apologies for uploading one image at a time and for the shit layout I’m on my phone)
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And screenshots of the “source” article she included in her blog post. Just incase anyone is interested.
Also not sure if it’ll work when others click it but just incase:
Link to way back machine news article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110929152726/http://www.dailynews.com/ci_18973442Link to way back machine ofcaitlins blog article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110928100045/http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/blogSorry for the multiple posts I couldn’t attach all the images to one post
No. 1361159
>>1361155Thankyou! I hope I clipped everything so it’s readable. I usually just lurk on lolcow I don’t usually post
Her website all the way back to 2011 appears to be archived including her blog posts if anyone wants to have a look through them.
No. 1361173
>>1361160Reading that post again it sounds like the other student posted something on their personal Instagram and Caitlin was
that bitch who took it to the dean to get the other student in trouble. I’ll have a dig through her Instagram anyway and see if anything turns up
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Its going to take everything in me to not cowtip and ask her about her nasty blog post.
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>>1361140>>1361150>>1361159Wow, fantastic job, anon! I hope you don't mind, I am adding an one image screenshot of Caitlin's post.
Archives to that specific blog post:
http://web.archive.org/web/20111108182459/http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/blahblah-soccer-mortician (The last capture is from July 16, 2017)
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>>1361397>>1361140Daniella, the woman criticized in Caitlin's blog, defended herself in the comment section:
>Caitlin, if you would have bothered to read the rest of the article (or at least include the rest in your own blog entry, instead of trying to twist the interview to support your own claim) you would have seen that I also made it a point to say that I have many other interests, besides the ones people automatically assume I am into (by default of being a funeral service professional.) >I take my career very seriously, and am always very careful how I portray myself when speaking about the funeral industry.>Just because you work in the industry doesn’t mean you can’t celebrate other interests, nor does it mean that you shouldn’t celebrate them. >Oh, and no, I don’t shop at Hot Topic. No. 1361452
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>>1361427Other comments:
>I am continually shocked at women who feel the need to tear other women down–especially those who seems to have, at heart, the same professional goal in mind. I don’t know if it is jealousy, a sense of competition, or some other factor going on here, but maybe you should try supporting each other, for once. >I think you’re just jealous. I don’t see her standing cheerfully next to boxes of dead folk or showing photos of herself working a crematory with a bright red dress and knee high boots. Personally, I would be offended to be the person you were cremating or in one of those boxes. It appears to me you were trying to be cutesy, too.>now, just because shes not blogging about death or wearing all black, gothed out with bettie bangs and holding a skull, doesnt make her any less legit or take away from her mortician credibility.Caitlin's response:
>Life is confusing. Seriously though, I thought I had deleted it. #responsefail No. 1361488
>>1360872It's pretty funny that a woman who's far from thin is mocking fat people publicly, yeah
>>1361140>>1361141She is so obviously jealous that it's borderline creepy
>as a young female death industry worker, don't be cutesy>you're young and pretty No. 1361506
>>1361440Watch this Ask A Mortician video, for example. She starts off by saying how not like other girls she is by not talking about her favorite mascara, pumpkin spice candle or lip balm. Her October Favorites are:
>Everest dead bodies>Mütter Museum to go see distended colons, the skulls collection, skeletons of people with rare diseases, etc.>A wax moulage of a face with primary syphilis, that she bought recently at a death salon>Spoons with a dead centipede and Cthulhu skull made by a co-founder of the Order of the Good Death, who also makes crime scene dioramas>Dish towels with medical illustrations of skeletonsCaitlin would never be publicly kitschy or cutesy about death.
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>>1361412>>1361488Daniella, the woman criticized
>>1361140, is an embalmer from LA and belonged to a collective similar to the Order of the Good Death. But unlike Caitlin's which has people from different trades, Daniella was part of a female-only funeral directors group. She was interviewed for Vice a couple of times (
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7b7g34/applying-makeup-to-dead-people-is-a-real-science-202,
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3b7g55/dating-in-the-death-industry-209) and seemed to be well liked by many funeral directors (
https://connectingdirectors.com/3143-funeral-directors-are-human-too-not-creepy). I think Caitlin saw her as competition.
Some excerpts where Daniella talks about why she became an embalmer (
http://www.the-beheld.com/2011/10/daniella-marcantoni-mortician-chino.html):
>In 2007 I lost my aunt to breast cancer. My aunt and I were extremely close—she’s like my mom. She was the most gorgeous woman ever, and at her funeral I was really disappointed. It looked as though they didn’t put any effort or anything into her makeup. There was no personal innovation or care. And I was like, I know I’m in the right industry now. Because I don’t want someone to sit there and stare at the casket and see the most important person in their life, and see what I’m seeing and feel what I’m feeling right now.>When you see abuse or neglect, you take even more personal responsibility to really just take care of that person. Because it’s like, Well, no one else cared for them for the past year. They’re going to be in my care for four hours—I might as well do the best that I can with the limits I have and the amount of time that I’ve been given with them. Once they’re dead they can’t do anything. You’re helping someone who can’t help themselves. No. 1361626
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It’s just her gAlLoWs HuMoUr
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Dumpster diving funeral flowers
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I might be reaching but this still made me feel some kind of way. Especially after reading how she rifled through that guys backpack that she cremated
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Ever wonder how she looks without the bangs?
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And her old mortician business cards which are super professional of course.
I was going through her Instagram last night. Screenshot the old posts I thought said a lot about her personality despite not being the milkiest. (I was looking for evidence of the story that she’d sent personal opinions of another student to the dean of her school and got her in trouble, but like I said before the way the post was worded made it sound as though the girl had posted on her own Instagram and Caitlin had screenshot it and taken it to the dean, not comments made on caitlins profile).
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Caitlin once again hate keeping about how an unexpected death should be handled. Tells mother she should have told her five year old daughter - who has access to the Internet and smartphones dontcha know, what a horrible waste of space he was and includes graphic details of his suicide. (Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure suicide charities say
not to include graphic details of the death when discussing a suicide? )
Also please note that she manages to get in a dig at the mothers appearance aswell.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150922073434/http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/how-absolutely-not-to-tell-your-daughter-about-her-dead-father#.VgEEjiTfWEc No. 1361655
>>1361619They'll materialize eventually again to tell us that these posts don't matter because they're old and that she's "changed" or some shit. That will be the narrative even though the narrative prior was that she never did anything wrong period.
>>1361626Twitter would have a fucking field day.
>>1361633So she's always had that smug look. Also holy shit that forehead.
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>>1361649>Also please note that she manages to get in a dig at the mothers appearance aswell. I am once again asking why she hates other women so passionately. Its a commonality throughout all of these instances of her harassing somebody else or even being a not-so-subtle narc like
>>1361628Seriously, when Luke rejected her did he have a type that she now fixates and projects upon as some sort of weird revenge?
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The link doesn't work, but…
>Binding books in human skin, known as anthropodermic bibliopegy, is believed to date back to the French Revolution, but the process became popular in the 19th century. In most cases, the skin was taken from unclaimed bodies, poor people or people of color.
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>>1361683 I imagine she used an image like this one, though this picture was from two years later. Her Instagram doesn’t go as far back as 2011
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>>1361706I’m not familiar with Stan Twitter but would she not have been cancelled for both jamming to
her Latino music and using the N word?
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>>1361629>mental hospital themed restaurantthe fuck
PS that moid is ugly
No. 1361718
>>1361676americans are extremely resistant to palliative care or "giving up"(as they view it) and entering hospice.
i don't like caitlin specifically, but this thing about death doulas may be part of a larger attempt by younger americans to make "pulling the pllug" less taboo/scary.
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>>1361683ok seriously caitlin? where is her brain. how tf do you think they got HUMAN SKIN to do stuff with. does she think any of those people whose SKIN WAS TAKEN consented in any way or weren't horribly treated and desecrated etc
what a dumbass. does she really think you could get a human skin book without something seriously wrong happening to make it possible
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This ones not really milky at all but I grabbed a screenshot anyway because she couldn’t resist the urge to call an unnamed woman a whore (who is only known as having an on again off again relationship with someone, she’s not even named)
https://web.archive.org/web/20111108182557/http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/fluorescent-mask-hospice-win#disqus_thread No. 1361732
>>1361725SUCH A QWEEN HATING ON OTHER WOMEN FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON YAAAASSS
>>1361727>i can only hope she pisses off the right one day.Most funeral directors already have a negative opinion about her and the only ones who seem to lick her ass are non-industry folk. And she celebrates it by referring to herself as a "rabble rouser", which is totally something that a 40 year old woman who is attempting to unite people for a cause should do. Yes, we should all celebrate being alienated and loathed by our respective career field like some edgy shit.
A rebel without a cause. Truly.
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>>1361676The excerpt from her book about hospices and euthanasia, plus this tweet… I get the vibe that Caitlin prefers if we just let old or sick people die.
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These types of losers always want to larp as Daria
No. 1361750
>>1361709Ayrt and I can totally see this being the case for Caitlin Doughty. There's just something about how she looks in the first pic in
>>1361633 and like
>>1361714 said, she looks like the type who bullied other girls because she's jealous and pudgy with a troon hairline. What you said also lines up with her trying to reclaim the rabble rouser title as if its something empowering and admirable to bully other women, spread misinformation, and gaslight other people during their most vulnerable time into following your whims instead of their own or what their deceased would have wanted. She is a fraud and a bully and the only people who cape for her are people who were already a lost cause in the first place.
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>>1361751>plan themed funeralsKari the Mortician did a Q&A recently where she briefly mentioned themed funerals she's done and one of them was a stripper funeral. Of course, people were surprised to hear this, but themed funerals do exist and if its what the deceased wanted then its what THEY wanted. People have Star Trek themed weddings, so why would a themed funeral be shocking to her?
Also, as if Caitlin has any room to talk. She dresses like her entire wardrobe comes from Macy's.
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>>1361704I don't think I'd go that far, I think it's just standard Caitlin brand "oh this bad thing didn't leave anything with a noticeably goffic enough aesthetic for my tastes :(", just like how she was disappointed by the lack of edgy stuff in that suicide
victim's backpack. It's not denial, just a privileged person being sad that less privileged people don't suffer in a kitschy fun way that she can post on her Instagram.
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She also bitches about that same funeral director (Elizabeth Meyer) here in a esperare post on her blog. She goes on to detail a fictional story about a female funeral director that she hated but I decided to not include the images because it’s a fictional book she read and not a real person
https://web.archive.org/web/20141012083806/http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/dethb00k-reviewz-the-funeral-planner#.VDo99CTfWEc No. 1361764
>>1361761Sorry if I didn’t make it clear (or I’ve misunderstood you), the bit of the post I included the image of
IS a real woman, a real life funeral director.
then she goes to hate on a fictional woman, but I didn’t include that because I don’t wanna confuse people who might think she has
valid criticisms of how women are portrayed in fictional media. (Spoiler she doesn’t she just hates on the book for the sake of hating on it).
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>>1361766My apologies
nonnie!
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Apologies I couldn’t get this all in one screen shot. Hating on Lindsey Logan because she dared to do her community service cleaning toilets in a morgue
https://web.archive.org/web/20141013055038/http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/miss-lohan-the-morgue-you-know#.VDtoNiTfWEc No. 1361776
>>1361769>>1361770>>1361771>>1361772>>1361775Hate keeping yet again even though its just a case of a celebrity doing their ordered community service. Lindsey didn't declare that she was a spokesperson for the industry, yet Cait's aping over here like she stepped on what she considers to be her territory. And, oh no the Google algorithm is working the way its intended and so when people look up that particular morgue, they get the latest news story affiliated with it. Is she actually retarded?
Again with randomly bringing up her hatred for designer and again, its a woman she's feeling slighted by somehow. She reaches for shit to be offended about.
No. 1361777
>>1361727in the past she'd post things written by guests on the order of the good death blog, and these were often interesting historical articles or accounts of someone's personal "unusual" way of coping with the death of a loved one.
i never watched the videos, but you are right in that any video with a thumbnail is shit made by a shitty person. it sounds like the only good things on her website(s) are made by other people.
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>>1361770kek is she literally saying lindsay isn't punk enough for the morgue?
she puts all this effort into making death fun and accessible then when she feels threatened by a "popular girl" encroaching on her territory falls back on the stereotype of "woooo spooky morgue u can't handle it"?
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>>1361775well guess what caity, now people will learn about those unmarked graves as a result of googling the famous person who has drawn attention to the morgue.
are we sure she didn't do her share of embalming? she sure writes like someone who's inhaled a lot of formaldehyde
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She spends this entire blog entry fawning over a mortician that appeared on The Batchelor (I looked for the episode but couldn’t find it online). Then at the end couldn’t RESIST the oppertunity to shit on her
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For reference this was the mortician featured on the show, her name was Shawntel Newton
No. 1361805
>>1361791Mukbang is a Korean concept, she constantly references how she grew up in Hawaii, she seems to be desperate for a cultural adoption by Mexicans, she constantly talks about how enlightened foreiners (particularly non-white foreigners) are about death, and she loves interjecting words from foreign languages into her speech if she can (the "non?" here
>>1361775 made me cringe, as someone with relatives that are native speakers of French). I get the feeling she's desperate to seem "cultured", particularly in non-white cultures, but in her attempts she just seems particularly white in all the cringiest ways.
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>>1361619They've been quiet since the one samefagging up the thread, who also tried to sound as if she were multiple people, was banned for wking and I don't imagine there's room for them to defend her with all the recent screenie dumps over the last several hours. Probably retreated to /ot/ to do more of picrel since they're newfags and think that if they bitch hard enough the thread goes away.
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Caitlin receives an email from a terminally ill person who tells her she finds the tone of her funeral home offensive (I can only imagine as this post was written in 2013 this person found her because they were looking for a funeral home as they were planning their death)
Caitlin proceeds to write an entire blog post about why she can speak about death with her uwu goth humour as much as she pleases
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>>1361823All I thought of was this meme. Can some anon shoop Cait into it kek
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A post on the blog of Caitlin trying to "dispel myths" about what death positivity is.
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/article/what-death-positive-is-not/She couldn't resist getting a dig in there about 'too much black for your sensibilities'. She obviously knows she's a joke and people have criticized her and her cult. And, the hashtag is exactly what she's trying to say that it isn't: A bunch of "goths" who look dumpy as shit, sharing 3edgy5me maymays on their pages in low quality yet overpriced velvet oxblood overcoats.
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>>1361780She is fucking wide and haggard in the face. I hope it pays well to frown/scowl all the time to keep up her goff charade. Those lines.
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Those chins. Maybe eat less of your precious cApIRotAdaA, Doughy.
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So I can’t find anything else interesting in her blogs but other anons feel free to have a look and screenshot better than I did.
I decided to have a look at the staff on her “order of the good death” website and would surprised at the lack of people of colour she employs considering I was under the impression that was important to Caitlin our white knight and saviour. She has one Asian woman employed but I couldn’t find much about her.
I assumed all the other staff were white until I read their bios, there is one woman who claims to be Mexican - or Chicana (we’ll get to that). Okay not all Latinos are brown, my bad.
Her name is Sarah Chavez.
Twitter:
https://twitter.com/sarah_calaveraInstagram: sarah_calavera
Her bio on the orders website reads:
Executive Director
Sarah is the co-host of Death in the Afternoon Podcast, co-founder of anti-racist nonprofit, the Collective for Radical Death Studies, and co-founder of feminist death site, Death & the Maiden. As a founder of the Death Positive Movement she is passionate about addressing the underlying issues that adversely affect marginalized communities’ experiences of death. Sarah also writes and speaks about decolonizing death in the Chicano community, food and death, and obscure death history. For interviews and events contact Tara Perez tara (at) orderofthegooddeath.comI’ll add some screen shots in the next few posts but I don’t wanna clog the thread up with my text so I’ll just spurge here. I thought it was interesting looking through her social media that she clearly feels that she has a strong connection to her Mexican heritage, yet clearly doesn’t speak any Spanish? Correct me if I’m wrong (because I appreciate that the Mexicans I know personally might not be a great source of information) but Spanish is a huge part of their cultural identity no?
She also refers to the Latinx community and, again I could be wrong, but any Hispanics I’ve known have said they despise this term and regard it as a slur (the X can’t be pronounced properly in this word in Spanish) and regard it as “white people shit”. Surely someone so embedded in Mexican and Latino culture would be familiar with this line of thinking?
She also refers to herself as Xicana (chicana) which I looked up, the X is used in place of the ‘ch’ as an X is used commonly in indigenous languages. Yet from looking through her socials it appears she also can’t speak Nahuatl (the native language of the Aztec/ Mexican people, of which there is a big community in LA).
Maybe I’m wrong but I assumed as language is often deeply connected to these cultures and if your working with people’s death rites, combating racism, advocating for marginalised and underprivileged people of your minority group, celebrating your culture and history, you’d be able to speak the languages of your people (or at least just Spanish) no? Would that not be part of the services you’d offer? Speaking in the native tongues?
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Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about any of these things anons!
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>>1361924Literally no Mexicans I have known save for one who was converted to the #woke crowd takes Latinx seriously. This extends to the other Latinos I've known as well (Puerto Ricans, Chileans, Dominicans). And the Latinos I have known who have relatives back in the native countries clown them if their Spanish is poor, so I seriously wonder about this girl with her, "I'm a proud Chicana but can't speak Spanish." I'll concede that children of immigrants don't always end up using their family's native tongue and it can die out altogether (its happened in my own), but with all the context provided, this girl really does seem like she wants those
poc points. Its likely why Caitlin jerks it so hard to Mexican traditions harder than any other cultures she's mentioned in her "research".
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>>1361931Right? This is why I double checked to see if she could speak Nahuatl aswell but from her social media she can’t?
Not to blog but my partner is Mexican (as in Mexico, Mexican) which is why those things immediately jumped out at me as super odd. I thought it was so wierd that save for a few words she doesn’t seem to post in
any Spanish. Not in her comments or her less professional posts about her life, not in both English and Spanish. Nothing.
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>>1361935That's super unusual for not only everything which they claim to stand for (the Order, she, and Cait), but also because they're L.A. based and there's a pretty diverse community there. The fuck kek
Maybe their "services" are also regarded as "white people shit" and so Sarah doesn't need to know Spanish, because nobody's coming in.
>>1361944But its okay when woke goffic casket mom uwu qween does it, just not other people she feels threatened by.
>>1361946She looks like John Travolta in drag.
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>>1361954Tell me you don't see it.
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>>1361948I hope I don’t get in trouble for going too OT but I’ll attach a video about the celebration in Oaxaca incase anyone wants it. My understanding is that (In typical Mexican fashion) it’s very much about the family and like any traditions it can differ from family to family and between regions. Also it’s not unusual for them to just have small celebrations at home with close family and not go to grave sites especially when they’ve emigrated out of Mexico and can’t return every year. The day of the dead the rest of the world sees is commercialised and obviously removed from the original traditions.
>>1361950She must not have any customers from the community she claims to care so deeply about. I can’t imagine many of them comming to the girl who doesn’t speak more than high school Spanish for their loved ones funeral just because her grandparents were Mexican. There’s gotta be tough competition in LA for that kind of clientele as it is, and I’m not sure how well there “uwu special eco burial traditional funerals are bad” are going to go down.
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>>1361974caitlin actually has written about that a lot and is very much in favour of it kek. i think she reposted an interview with one of the guys who carries the bodies up there/cuts them up
she still took that uwu hot topic tone though
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>>1361948My apologies anon apparently we were wrong…
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>>1361995Also If anyone thought that was a source she added to that tweet, it’s not. It’s a poem
No. 1362049
>>1361700What happened:
>An old man collapses on the street and is taken by the ambulance. How Caitlin sees the situation:
>A funny thing happened on the way to the mortuary! I wanted to give my card to a guy who left in an ambulance teheheHilarious, Caitlin. I thought that her books were bad, but these blog posts are fucking worse.
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>>1361711>>1361629That guy makes the artwork for her books and videos:
https://www.instagram.com/landisblairhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landis_Blair
>mental hospital themed https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1joqq3/a_mental_hospital_themed_restaurant_in_tokyo/Picrel is how the restaurant looks like. There is a guy in the comments who links a photo of him drinking out of a mannequin head too.
No. 1362082
>>1361751Like with Daniella, Caitlin skipped a few details and twisted things to make Elizabeth look like some kind of bimbo.
Elizabeth was working in the fashion industry, but it all changed when her father died. She planned his funeral services like it was party. It became a celebration of his life. Now, Elizabeth has people who come to her, share their fears and plan their funeral services in life. All of these are things that I thought that Order of the Good Death would want, but because she is pretty and works with wealthy people, Caitlin vilifies her.
http://web.archive.org/web/20141012114115/http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/elizabeth-meyer-2011-8/>When Meyer was 21, she lost her father, an entertainment lawyer, to lymphoma. She took it upon herself to give him a fitting send-off. “I planned it like an event. It was a success!” she says. The casket was hidden under a blanket of peonies; songs by the Stones and David Bowie were played, loudly. “Someone said, ‘I want to dance,’ and my best friend, Ali Hilfiger”—Tommy’s daughter—“said, ‘Go ahead, then, dance!’ ”>Meyer’s mother was horrified to learn of her little fashionista’s career change. “She thinks I’ve been fixated on death since my dad passed away,” says Meyer, who wears her father’s Rolex every day. For her part, Meyer finds the job cathartic, now that she’s gotten over her initial discomfort. No. 1362105
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>>1361797This blog post is super creepy. No wonder Luke ran away from her.
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>>1361905Anon, she's a bestselling author who owns a funeral home, not trying to "break into" anything. How dare that casting director imply that she is trying to make a name for herself in the death business.
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So we are not the only ones who think that Caitlin looks like a troon kek
No. 1362138
>>1362114On first sight, many others will think that, too.
Her clownish outfit somewhat hints at an unexperienced troon.
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>>1361752She looks like an old lady that is about to prepare herself a bath.
>>1361989She is pro-funerals at home.
>>1361824Enjoy, little deathlings.
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>>1361862Why does everyone in the Order of the Good Death think that holding a skull is cool?
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>>1361823>>1361862>Death positivity has always put the needs of the family and the dead body first.>If we do not discuss it, are we not doomed to repeat the mistakes of Western death culture of the last 75 years? The denial, the disconnect with grief and the dead body…There is a real disconnect on how Caitlin defines death positivity and how she actually treats death in her professional life. She talks about putting the needs of the family or their deceased, but then shits on them publicly if they choose embalming or a non green alternative. She also lacks empathy to understand grief. She treats corpses as cool props, instead of someone's loved one or family member.
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>>1362192This is straight from the Fight Club's opening scene kek
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Sorry for the blogpost, but I've been a fan of hers for years. Ate that shit up. Followed her socials, watched her videos, all that shit. Some of my friends knew I follow her and gave me her books. The crematory one and the death culture one.
I barely got through 3 chapters of the crematory one. She is absolutely insufferable in her books.
Like, I am a morbid bitch. I am a goth. I worked with corpses (animal ones granted) and enjoyed the gore to a certain degree (you can find beauty in death if you look at it a certain way), but the way that bitch talks about her human clients?? Un-fucking-believable. Harping on a fat man for being fat and cumbersome, dead baby jokes, snooping through suicidal person's belonging in search of some revelation? That's just so TACKY.
I stopped watching her videos a while ago, because her more recent ones have been really in the vein of true crime and sensationalizing dead people, never even mentioning how the families of the deceased might feel while she makes off-colour jokes about their grandparent's corpse.
I used to idolise her and while she does have some weight to her words, I wish she wouldn't capitalize on that "death-obsessed weirdo that everyone in the industry hates because she speaks the truth", because what ever the fuck being death-positive even means? Death-neutral maybe. But being positive about dying? Tacky. Doubt she'll have the same views once she's old and sick and dying.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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>>1362199I think the composting is for white Americans, but everyone else gets to keep their traditions and desired burial methods. For example, see how Caitlin talks about ritual cannibalism. The Brazilian government was evil and intolerant for telling the Wari' to stop eating their corpses even if it can cause prion diseases. On the other hand, people's desire for closure and seeing their loved ones one last time through embalming is selfish to the environment and a scam peddled by the funeral industry.
I wonder how Caitlin is going to handle the people of color or marginalized groups who embrace traditional burial methods though. Is she going to be as insufferable as she is or is she going to tone it down? Like mentioned
>>1362096, a good chunk of Latin America has Catholic influences.
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>>1362233You should have read the previous posts where we were talking about the latinx thing
>>1361924,
>>1361931,
>>1362159 No. 1362242
>>1362082This makes me wonder about the female professor Caitlin mocked in her book, which was also mentioned in
>>1356639I wonder what really happened there.
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This is a nitpick, but why is she holding an orbitoclast and a hammer? These tools were used for a lobotomy, which is an unethical procedure that was performed disproportionately more on women:
>At a time when women were expected to be calm, cooperative and attentive to domestic affairs, definitions of mental illness were as culturally bound as their treatments. A surgery that rendered female patients docile and compliant, but well enough to return to and care for their homes.
Also:
>putting the party back in death care
>Mortician + Death Enthusiast
>VIP not RIP
As someone upthread said: tacky.
No. 1362273
>>1362272it's for that spoopy goff asylum vibe
nonny uwu
>>1362242Sorry to ask to be spoonfed, but can someone sum up what Doughy said about that female professor?
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I’m trying to read her book now (I’ve owned it a while) and one thing that’s driving me insane is that she doesn’t use any references, she surely used references as a history major?
Also, Caitlin, there’s a reason that number is the way it is and I’d assume if you’d done the research you claim to you’d know that. If you ask healthy people where they want to die they’ll say at home, but as people get sicker they tend to change their minds, they want to be free from pain, they don’t want to taint their home for their loved ones, how would your husband sleep in your bed tonight knowing you’d died in it this morning and he’s watched the undertakers haul you off it? And that’s not accounting the people who die suddenly and unexpectedly and didn’t have a choice to die at home because it was too sudden.
Also if anyone else was considering reading her book, don’t. She writes like an edgy middle schooler who’s found the thesaurus button on Microsoft word and changed every third letter to a more exciting adjective.
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>>1356636I went back to that thread and found this comment made by that redditor expanding on the student story.
No. 1362300
>>1362297It’s a shame her Instagram only goes back to 2013, she was at school in 2011
Unless she has another account she’s wiped the evidence from her Instagram
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>>1362300Wait, according to the anon who requested this thread, the student attended a completely different school than Caitlin.
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>>1362325Of course hospitals should smell like piss and rotting humans anon! And just like during the bubonic plague we should just litter our streets in corpses and marvel at them decaying! Throw a fresh one on the pile just like a lasagna!
UwU just goffik things!
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>>1357775This is a bit random, but it seems that Caitlin's past time is to go restaurants, eavesdrop and tweet about it.
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>>1362343She also takes pictures of random people without their consent
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>>1362343More pictures of people in public without consent
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>>1362343Not even children playing with their dolls are safe from her taking unsolicited pics
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>>1362277At least she does know what they are for, I guess
No. 1362473
>>1362319>>1362456I still wouldn't put it past her to pass it around to her friends and have them show up to wk her. I'm uncertain if she knows the thread exists just yet, but I'm sure she will in time. Like someone else said upthread, she's totally the type to Google herself everyday and that SEO is eventually gonna work if it hasn't already. Remember when it bit Usagi Kou in the ass earlier this year?
>>1362297The way that the comment is worded, it does look like its someone Caitlin wasn't even attending school with. She graduated ages ago and that comment is from two years ago, Instagram itself was created in 2012. It also mentions Caitlin's "colleagues" aka the Order of the Garish Dipshits. I wouldn't put it past them to have a group DM or WhatsApp where they orchestrated that sort of shit together, Sarah included. They think they're The Craft or something.
>>1362319 No. 1362485
>>1362340This is par the course for her. Vidrel is what
>>1360337 talked about when she filmed at the Salton Sea, labeled it as 'decomposition zen' with electronic music blaring, and there's images of a decaying dog, tons of trash and rust, etc. This isn't a place of beauty, its an ecological disaster site.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/23/salton-sea-california-lake-dust-drought-climatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salton_Sea No. 1362499
>>1362473I think she’s going to be positively beside herself when she finds out the thread exists.
I’ve taken the Liberty to pre prepare her statement to her stans
*Deathlings! It has come to my attenzione that there are trolls among us. They have scoured far and wide, through the archives of the internet in a futile attempt to weave a web of lies about moi!
They have uncovered some vague ancient posts I once made of
valid criticisms of other women in the industry, as you all well know I am a pioneer of women’s rights! I am aghast at the mere suggestion that I would deem another female unfit for the role of a mortician, I simply suggested that the funeral home isn’t the place for a young attractive lady with her designer shoes and interests beyond that of the morbid and macabre. I am sure my dear death kings, you are all well educated enough now that the life of a funeral director/ mortician is a bleak one, filled only with the longing for death and the solitude it brings.
It has also been bought to my attention that these trolls have found evidence of me using a racial slur, which had me feeling most obtruse, I would never lower myself to such a level as I have donned to donate money to black women entering their formal funeral educación! Despite this bold, and selfless act I have yet found a black woman i feel good enough to take a role at my funeral establishment or offer any kind of apprentaship to a young
POC attempting to enter this industry (formal apology comming soon to my Twitter feed).
Regarding this discourse the trolls have also bore accusations that my dear, dear xacana/ Latinx friend Sarah of offending the Latinx community! No she does not speak Spanish or any native language of Mexico, and she has grown up with all these privileges afforded to a white woman in Los Angeles but that does not mean that her grandparents struggles are not her own! We must not allow the trolls of the internet to discontinue her role playing or forbid her to continue masturbating to her persecution fetish!
That is all for now my dear Deathlings, I shal return to you soon with a new video where I crudely mock and make fun of traditional funerals and perversely salivate over other cultures, herelding their exotic, oriental and tropical death practices for us to all gawk at with our mouths open like we’re peering through the tiger enclosure at the zoo.
Viva la morte!
Caitlin*
No. 1362500
>>1362273Whoever has her first book can post the "Deth Skool" chapter mentioned in the original post
>>1356639 That's where she apparently mocks the female instructor.
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>>1362500The chapter is 12 pages long and I’ve only got the physical book not an e book so I’ll just photograph the pages where she talks about teachers
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She has such a Wierd thing for Latinos. What is it they say about writing a book? You should kill your darlings? Like if it’s irrelevant take it out even if you like it
What was she upset that she wasn’t the white girl that the tattooed latino man got pregnant? Why include that? It’s so odd
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>>1362581Maybe, but the guy she was with for several years (and might still be with? He doesn’t have any social media I can find and she doesn’t post about her love life) was definatly a white guy, Matt smith as The Doctor (doctor who) wannabe. I’ll add some pics
>>1362583Exactly, also, what else did she expect? You can’t just leave homeless people lying dead on the street they have to go somewhere somehow. It’s unfortunate but it happens.
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He was also the guy drinking out of the skull in the mental health restaurant pic earlier in the thread
No. 1362594
>>1362586Ah, yes, the ever-popular "heterosexual couple obsessed with queerio shit who refuses to use gendered terms for each other in hopes people might think they're gay until they correct them".
>>1362590Why do they look like a TIF/TIM couple?
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>>1361626What the fuck is this amerifat talking about? Is she confusing the town Oświęcim/Auschwitz with the concentration camp? Literally nobody has a mental image of Auschwitz-Birkenau as of a "beautiful summer camp". Is she braindead???
No. 1362646
>>1362639>>1362639realized she was talking about a cemetery in Oświęcim. Which is still bs cause if I checked right,it was used as a burial ground in the 17th century. During WW2 it was destroyed by Germans. No concentration camp
victims were buried there (I WONDER WHY). This is still retarded, she's talking out of her ass while trying to sound profound
No. 1362706
>>1362590kek of course she has a boyfriend who weighs less than her
moids who are too small to beat women into submission always go for insecure hamplanets. they deserve each other though so it's ok
No. 1362721
>>1362703He looks like every other millennial with a complex who grew up idolizing "nerdy" or outcast type fictional characters and despised anybody conventionally attractive or successful (just like Cait), so when he grew up he sought to emulate that and advertise how mentally deficient he is.
I'm trying to understand what the fuck exactly it is with my generation doing this, but it's so prevalent. Cait does it with trying to be the goffick archetype, her moid looks like he's trying to be Matt Smith, and there's other cows I can't name at the moment but it's the collective autism built around fiction and tropes and its exhausting. Just get it out of your system by cosplaying or going to a ren faire once in a while and then be a functioning adult the rest of the time.
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>>1362586>>1362588>>1362590How long ago were these? I thought she was dating this guy.
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>>1362798This photo screams "Love me or I'll kill myself".
>>1362796Caitlin is a big fan of Six Feet Under and Nate Fisher. In her chapter "Push the Button", she talks about buying the boxset of the show with her first paycheck and compares herself to him. Nate was the main character and imo an asshole who always acted enlightened/holier than thou because he was good at comforting grieving families. He used green burials towards the end of the show to make himself feel like he was a better person than he actually was.
Spoiler of the show:
He forced many women to get abortions, got another woman pregnant while he was in a relationship with someone else and cheated on his pregnant wife.Oh, remember Jacob, the "suicidal lunatic"
>>1356693? Caitlin accused him of being a cannibal because he wrote the word "anthropophagy" on a map.
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>>1362859It's silent film actress Theda Bara, and she is definitely humping a skeleton. If you needed any more confirmation that Caitlin is just in it for the uwu quirky 'goth' aesthetic…
No. 1362897
>>1361760Hang on, she works with roadkill and dead babies but caring about expensive shoes is what makes her wretch? How unsanitary! Disgust is a physiological reaction evolved to make us avoid pathogens so we don't get sick, just like pain is about avoiding further damage.
Does she really think her my immortal "prepz fuck off!1" mentality is cute or is she just too autistic to understand the optics of that kind of childishness outside her internet hot topic hug bubble?
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>>1362872Maybe the anon who said that Caitlin might be interested in necrophilia is not so far off.
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I am the anon from
>>1361653. I still don't feel comfortable sharing too much information about the girl who is possibly referenced here
>>1356636. I don't want to be responsible for making her a target of harassment once again.
I will call her "Ellen" to make it easier to explain the situation. As I said previously, there are a few missing pieces on this story because Ellen deleted her Instagram and disappeared for a while. I was able to locate one of her personal accounts. These are the facts:
>Ellen was a mortuary student. There are many posts where she talks about her classes and takes photos of her books and homework. >Ellen was part of an online community of morticians, ranging from students to licensed funeral directors and embalmers. The purpose of the group was to share ideas and discuss the industry. They would sometimes talk about ethics and people who make the industry look bad. For example, they are against funeral directors pressuring grieving families to buy expensive caskets. Caitlin was also a topic of conversation in this group and was not well liked. >This online community of morticians currently has more than 14k users. >In 2016, Ellen responded to a post that Caitlin made regarding the laws surrounding embalming. They both went back and forth disagreeing with each other. >In 2018, Ellen made a negative comment in Instagram about Caitlin’s time in mortuary school. >Caitlin took a screenshot of this and made a post about her >>1357427. While she told people not to harass Ellen, many people in the comments directly tagged her, mocked her and went through all her social media accounts. >Caitlin was pretty active in the comments section and joined in with her fans dog piling on Ellen. They made fun of what clothes she wears, what she does, the posts she makes, etc.>Caitlin directly confronted Ellen in the comments section and asked for evidence of her claims. Ellen talked about Professor Baxter, which Caitlin denied knowing. >Ellen tried to change her username many times and Caitlin’s fans kept harassing her and tagging her with her new username each time.>Ellen deleted her Instagram.>Ellen stopped mentioning mortuary school for years.>Ellen has changed majors and is no longer a mortician.My thoughts:
I am not sure if Ellen was expelled because I can’t find any information about that, but she was indeed harassed and people went through her other accounts to find information about her. I wouldn’t be surprised if she got in trouble for that Instagram comment, which was not nice but did not merit all that hate. She was a random nobody, so I am not sure why Caitlin found it imperative to put her on blast to her thousands of followers. I suspect that the person in Reddit might have been someone from that online group of morticians who saw how everything went down.
I am adding some screenshots of the comments section. Ellen’s personal information and username(s) are hidden with blue. Caitlin’s fans are hidden with black.
No. 1362998
>>1362329Is she aware that the reason for the corpses lying in the streets during the bubonic plague was that there were just too many people dying and too few able to collect and bury them? Not having enough resources to deal with a pandemic and it's many dead is really nothing inspirational.
>>1362923The more I read of this thread the more convinced I get that this is some sort of fetish for her.
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>>1362996In this comment thread, Caitlin and Ellen have a conversation. Since Ellen deleted her account, we only have Caitlin's messages.
No. 1363003
>>1362997I'm actually tearing up a little reading these because she harassed this young woman out of a field she was passionate about. Caitlin's fans have the audacity to claim there's jealousy on the other end? CAITLIN IS JEALOUS OF EVERY WOMAN SHE COMES ACROSS. Even total strangers at a night market, for fucks sake!
She's absolutely vile and doesn't belong in this profession.
No. 1363011
>>1363001Caitlin and Ellen don't talk that much. I want to make a correction and say that Caitlin didn't demand evidence, but I am guessing that Ellen felt pressured by all the fans harassing her.
P.S. Ellen seems to be doing much better. Please don't share her account if you find it. I think she deserves to be left alone after what she went through.
No. 1363025
>>1362329>>1362331Good god she’s an idiot. What is with this Sherlock attempt?
Just because there are little records detailing how people felt about the bodies stacked up in the town square during the bubonic plague doesn’t mean they didn’t feel horrified, saddened, and grief stricken. Also, wailing and yelling due to grief is culturally the norm for many cultures, especially in the Middle East, jewish communities, and Eastern Europeans, are they faking it too?
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>>1363025Funny you should mention Middle Eastern and Eastern European cultures.
I’ve got her book “from here to eternity” (I’ve actually got her first two books but I’ve been slow chewing the first one and uploading potentially interesting parts of it to this thread) and I was under the impression that the book covered a huge range of cultures from across the globe, so I was surprised when I opened it and she covered three American states (California, Colorado, North Carolina), Indonesia, Mexico, Spain, Japan and Bolivia (Pic related) I haven’t read it yet but considering how huge the world is and the wide range of cultures and death practices that she apparently travelled the world for and that’s all she covered? I think she may have just picked the most shocking or exotic practices and covered those but I’ll report back once I’ve read it
>>1362996Thankyou for uncovering and uploading this. I think a big part of Caitlins problem is that she isn’t always right. It’s like she’s got this massive fear of being wrong so shrouds herself in her echo chamber and lashed out at any and all criticism. I don’t know much about the career of a mortician but I imagine it’s much like many other professions, that you need constructive criticism to grow and become a better practitioner
Also I was thinking of uploading the entire chapter from
smoke gets in your eyes where she talks about witnessing the death of another child when she was little. I think it explains a lot about her and actually made me feel quite sorry for her (she was only a little girl when it happened, I can be irritated forever at an adult but children are so innocent in those situations). It’ll be like my other posts where I take photos of the pages but I don’t know if lolcow will get in trouble if I do that.
No. 1363042
>>1363041This is, again, very reminiscent of Lisa Rogak's book called "death warmed over", which Cait alluded to in her funeral mukbang video yet didn't mention by name explicitly. Rogak's book also includes countries, albeit more than Cait's, but there's no citations, no references, and each location only has two pages followed up with the author's own recipe variation of what is traditionally eaten. The book has a lot of complaints for not only the lack of sources, but for getting some cultures completely wrong or lacking enough depth (because two pages per chapter per country? Seriously?). She also tends to treat the "white" cultures within with this sort of textbook air, like you can tell that there's no enthusiasm in those chapters, but the section about tribes in Bali (which she doesn't even name which tribe, just says primitive) who use water from corpse washing to prepare rice pudding? Giddy as hell and is like a proto Caitlin. The book was originally written in 2004 and I have an electronic version.
No. 1363060
>>1363041>I can be irritated forever at an adult but children are so innocent in those situationsWait until you get to the chapter "Demon Babies"
>>1363042The second book has sources, but each chapter is short. The information about each culture is a bit shallow and based around Caitlin's perception of them after visiting that country for a few days.
No. 1363100
>>1363093I wouldn't go as far as to say that you're stupid for feeling that way, given the context here and how Cait is very much one of those holier than thou, privileged white chicks who tries to seem woke, but rather she fetishizes and holds up other cultures for people to balk at. There are actual historians who aren't the ethnicity of any of the cultures which they teach about, but they don't put on this weird dog and pony show for Twitter points the way which Caitlin does. She's evidently desperate for cultural adoption from Mexicans and has a white savior complex, like somebody needs to tell this woman that Twitter and tumblr aren't real life and she doesn't need permission from an actual native before she purchases her Nestle brand Abuelita.
She also has this thing where she intentionally presents topics for shock factor, knowing most of the general public will of course react accordingly, because she knows that if people are put off she gets to play the smug and holier than thou "enlightened" role and chastise them for their reaction. "Oh, you don't fancy the idea of your loved one's corpse being eaten by wild animals? Well, in THAT CULTURE it's a GOOD THING because it means they weren't an evil person. It's okay if you don't understand though."
It's very much intentional and I'm surprised nobody's brought that up yet.
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>>1363088I have her third book in digital btw if anybody would like some excerpts. It's the most tolerable one of the three, but a bit inappropriate for children. I would say that it's more suitable for teenagers.
No. 1363121
>>1363113I will keep an eye out for it! I’m not quite at the halfway point yet but I don’t recall it being in an earlier part of the book, if I see it I’ll put it here
>>1363093When I’ve finished the first book I’ll go through that one, I’m very curious to hear what she has to say about there in particular aswell. I think it’s pretty safe to say though she does have a certain fetishisation for Latino/ Mexican culture from everything we’ve seen and read.
(Also I’m totally speculating of course but I wouldnt be surprised if she’s one of those white women that likes to fetishise and sexualise people of colour - specifically Latinos, but never want to actually date them. She badly wants to be seen as part of their culture but doesn’t have any clear relationships with them - neither platonic nor romantic. Just my opinion).
No. 1363123
>>1363093I could summarize that chapter for you if you want so you can verify if she is at least accurate.
I don't think that the problem is that she is talking about the death rituals from Michoacan while not being Mexican. The problem is that she doesn't come across as respectful. It feels like she is pointing and taking photos like some death tourist.
No. 1363126
>>1363124This is true, I think
POC are usually pretty wise to the fetishising white girls and hightail it quickly. She’d be fine for a quick shag but you wouldn’t take her home to your mother so she could sit there proudly mispronouncing Spanish words and practically flicking her bean at the dinner table to the thought of going to Mexico City’s day of the dead parade
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I think I’ve worked out what makes me so irrationally angry when reading her books. Ironically it’s her own mention of nurses that made it dawn on me. I know there’s a few healthcare/ nursing anons lurking on this post but read both pages - particularly the bits I’ve highlighted and tell me she wouldn’t be told to leave halfway through her shift in a healthcare environment.
She says she doesn’t envy nurses for having to deal with bodily fluids on the regular, yet she became a mortician, surely the decaying bodily fluids your dealing with are far worse than what a nurse deals with? Also nurses do wash their end of life patients, their dentures are removed because of the risk of aspirating on them. I’m sure it’s not very death positive for granny to choke to death on her own teeth.
Her language towards the woman she was caring for would have her thrown out. I don’t know how I’ve gotten this far into her book but am still surprised to hear her making comparisons to making the deceased look more appropriate for the family and putting lipstick on a pig. Yet I still thought it was shocking.
Her reluctance to put the elderly ladies stockings on. Trust me Caitlin, there is nothing stopping the family peeling back the sheet and checking she’s wearing them, because they do check. People come into the care homes all the time and make sure 102 year old ladies who are bedbound and have to be hoisted everywhere are wearing their bra. It was this moment it dawned on me, you can’t be bothered Caitlin, it’s got nothing to do with dignity (and you don’t get to decide for someone else what is or isn’t dignified) you just straight up, cannot be arsed to do the hard work.
No. 1363147
>>1363143This further leads me to believe that most people who claim to be fans haven't actually read her books. I refuse to believe that people wouldn't be up in arms about how self-involved, callous, and frankly fucking nasty she is. I'm sure there's a small fraction who read them in their entirety and either forgot this entirely or are just as tone deaf and shitty as she is, caring only for their own AeSthEtiK and how goff they appear to others, but certainly it's not the majority. I guess people just automatically assume all authors are infallible now, as are all people in every single profession, as if you can't be a degree holder who also makes mistakes or is just a complete mongrel like Caitlin is.
Fuck this parasocial bullshit.
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>>1363141I 100% agree with you. I just think she’s learnt how to be the bully and dress it up. She has her circle of orbiters who keep her well padded and away from criticism.
I think at some point she was perceived as undesirable by some chode (Luke most likely) and really internalised that. Decided to take down any woman she perceived as a threat and then was able to stand on her moral high ground.
I know I pointed this out before but she made an Instagram post where she offered funding/scholarship for black mortuary students, and I get that collage is very expensive in the USA, but she doesn’t actually employ any black people, she’s not offering an apprenticeship. Paying for school is nice but it’s not giving a career. Pic related
Because heaven forbid someone snatched her career from under her. I mean, props to seeing a gap in the market that you could exploit and make money from, but it’s always been at the expensive of tearing others down and pushing them out of your way.
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Comment on the scholarship post
No. 1363172
>>1363100>>1363123my problem was more that michoacan is where the dismembered body parts/pody parts thrown on the dancefloor/alarma-style corpses used as a warning stuff was invented.
i don't think it's good to be even slightly vaguely fetishizing "cool death stuff" from there when cartel violence and horrific treatment of bodies is such a huge problem there specifically at this moment in time.
No. 1363188
>>1363184Of course anon! How could I have been so foolish! Any longer than that and she’d have actually had to give a shit!
>>1363181It’s actually heinous. She might as well plagiarise their work because people are going to so heavily associate whats on that blog with her
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>>1363184Omg I’m so dumb well spotted anon!
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>>1363184https://ccbcmd.academicworks.com/opportunities/8895Also correct me if I’m wrong but despite Caitlin saying this was for black students the scholarship application page itself doesn’t say this? It speaks of Henrietta herself and why she was an important and pioneering figure for mortuary science but nothing about the applicants needing to come from a black background?
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>>1363212Everything I've googled only talks about Henrietta herself and you're correct: There's nothing about the scholarship being only for black people.
https://www.ccbcmd.edu/Support-CCBC/Giving-to-CCBC/Ways-to-Give/Donor-Recognition/Henrietta-Duterte-Scholarship.aspx No. 1363227
>>1363220Okay forgive me because I’m from Europe and don’t understand American scholarships but would that not be some kind of false advertising? There’s nothing that states that it is for black students even on community college of balitmores website
Can scholarships specify this?
If you didn’t know of Caitlin and saw this scholarship available and that you met the requirements you’d just apply for it
No. 1363231
>>1363228But they were funding the scholarship, so surely as part of their negotiations with the college they could specify that they wanted this to go to a black student and refuse to work with the college if the terms wernt met? I mean ultimately why would a stipulation like that matter to the college if they were still getting paid through the donation?
Because if it was that important to the order they would have
ensured that this specific requirement was met no? They’d have worked with the college directly or with an organisation that works with black students to make sure the college adhered to that
I think this has gotta be pretty high on the list of shady things Caitlin has done
I remember watching a Kat Blaque video ages ago and she said she was always weary of white people who do the most, it’s almost like guilt and I think this is the sort of occasion where that really applies
No. 1363235
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>>1363231No, I get it and you're absolutely correct. One would assume that if it meant that dearly to Caitlin the White Savior Qween, it would've been made very clear to the college in question and would be included on the scholarship information page. Even on the Order's support page, it specifies ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the scholarship being limited to black students, just that they "hope it creates opportunities for black women."
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/we-support/Screenie'd in case they find it and try to edit it later, god knows they're shifty enough to do it.
No. 1363236
>>1363235Samefag, but its also extremely telling to me that Caitlin not only tried to assuage her white guilt with this, but attempted to cover her ass for being such an unabashed cunt towards other women. This "offer" was created a week after Floyd was killed, not even a full month now that I went back and checked, and rather than choosing a mortuary program based in the city where Floyd was killed she tried to tack on something a little "extra" to boost her cred. Both black AND a woman?! Wow, she's SO #woke!
Also, if this was to "create opportunities for black women" in the field, why wasn't that specified in her self-congratulatory tweet/Instagram post? Why is it only on the Order's website?
No. 1363237
>>1363235True that wording on their page is very careful. It doesn’t say that it is explicitly for black female students. It was created to “provide funding” for black women to study mortuary science.
it doesn’t say “we created this explicitly to fund black women through mortuary school in honor of Henrietta”
And tbh it doesn’t matter what their site says if the actual application isn’t limited to the group it was intended for. It looks more like they were a big name donor and then expected the publicity they provided to be enough.
And as I said before, she doesn’t
employ any black women. She doesn’t have any black women
apprentices. Just her Latinx mate and one Asian lady.
An occasional shout out on your Instagram and a video every six months isn’t enough Caitlin. You can’t put your money where your mouth is for a month as bare minimum and then sit back and enjoy the asspat ride forever.
I’m glad I thought to google that and that it’s screenshot and archived here. If you don’t care about social justice that’s fine, but it’s another thing entirely to
pretend you care and then not follow through.
I’m gonna pour a glass of wine and wait for the stans to cancel her
No. 1363245
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This is from the Clarity Funerals Instagram page and I couldn't help but scoff at the irony of this being her caption.
No. 1363247
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>>1363245Another post on the same page. I don't have IG so I just screenshotted it this way. But sure, she's totally not guilting/shaming people.
https://www.instagram.com/clarityfunerals/ No. 1363252
>>1363231>work with an organization that works with black studentsThey easily could've Googled to find one. Its not difficult.
"100 Black Women of Funeral Service"
https://100bwfs.org/ No. 1363258
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I’m going to add the screenshots of the people currently on her staff page incase they decide to suddenly hire a black woman upon finding this thread. Obviously she could have black women working at her company but they’re not in high enough positions to be featured on her staff pages. I don’t think lolcow records dates so I’ve taken these on November 6th 2021, Caitlin opened her first funeral home in 2015 (Undertaking LA) and Clarity at end of 2019 - feel free to fact check me on the dates.
Jeff Jorgenson - Clarity
“I want to work collaboratively with families to create celebrations and memories around a life that has been lived well.”
Jeff Jorgenson, our co-owner and funeral director, spent years serving families in more traditional funeral homes. Ultimately, he felt those funeral homes were too interested in maintaining outdated traditions, upselling families, and controlling choices the families themselves should be making. So in 2012 he opened Elemental Cremation & Burial in Seattle, reflecting his desire for a greener, more affordable funeral experience. His love of logistics and removing barriers is what make Clarity Funerals the smooth, accessible experience for the families we serve.
No. 1363261
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Taryn Thornton - Clarity
“Walking with families through the process is a journey that we can take through healing.”
Taryn Thornton, our Funeral Director and Office Manager comes to us with deep experience in both traditional and progressive funeral practices. She has a BS Mortuary Science degree from Cypress Mortuary College, is a licensed California Funeral Director and Embalmer. Her experience serving families embraces a holistic approach of self-guided funeral practices with professional direction to create healing experiences.
No. 1363263
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Sarah Chavez - order of the good death - “Latinx”
Executive Director
Sarah is the co-host of Death in the Afternoon Podcast, co-founder of anti-racist nonprofit, the Collective for Radical Death Studies, and co-founder of feminist death site, Death & the Maiden. As a founder of the Death Positive Movement she is passionate about addressing the underlying issues that adversely affect marginalized communities’ experiences of death. Sarah also writes and speaks about decolonizing death in the Chicano community, food and death, and obscure death history. For interviews and events contact Tara Perez tara (at) orderofthegooddeath.com
No. 1363264
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Louise Hung - order of the good death, Asian American
Producer & Writer
Louise has been writing about death, death history, and death mythology for more than a decade. She is the producer and co-writer of Ask a Mortician, co-host of Death in the Afternoon, and is co-host and director of The Mortals’ Market. When she isn’t researching Iconic Corpses or the magic of the middle ages, Louise writes about Asian American culture, experiences, and connections to death beliefs and rituals. Based in Brooklyn, NY. Louise can be reached at louise (at) orderofthegooddeath.com
No. 1363265
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>>1363258He apparently never even went to mortuary college. His degrees are in totally unrelated things. He also didn't begin working in anything funeral related until 2011. Its not inherently bad to change career paths, but it seems like all he saw was a business opportunity.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffjorgenson No. 1363266
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Ericka Cameron - order of the good death
Program & Development Coordinator
Ericka serves as the Program & Development Coordinator for the Order of the Good Death. In this role she leads fundraising efforts and manages projects to advance the mission of the Order. In addition to advocating for universal access to a ‘good death’, Ericka is a passionate defender of disability rights and bodily autonomy. When she isn’t chatting with donors or making spreadsheets she enjoys cross-stitching cat-related puns. Ericka can be reached at ericka (at) orderofthegooddeath.com
No. 1363267
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Caroline Reilly - order of the good death
Social Media Content Contributor
Caroline is a culture and health journalist from Boston. She regularly contributes to a number of publications including Teen Vogue, the Washington Post, GQ, and Vulture where she writes about everything from medical misogyny to menswear in film and television. When she isn’t working she can be found scouring the internet for the best Nordic noirs and parenting her neurotic Italian Greyhound, Rocko.
No. 1363270
>>1363261This one attended the same college (Cypress) as Caitlin and has degrees in mortuary/funeral.
>>1363263Can't seem to locate her LinkedIn.
>>1363264Also has no background in mortuary or funeral, but has written for xojane.com and other publications. Her degrees are for art and theater.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/louise-hung-1085b187>>1363266Degree in sociology, but also no actual mortuary or funeral work.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/edcameron>>1363267Hers hasn't been updated in ages.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-reilly-98214719b No. 1363275
>>1363273I believe the one from Cyprus- Taryn, is the one the anons were talking about up thread who is both an embalmer and seemed to be doing a lot of the work (or at least from reviews).
Interesting how so many people have no experience, makes me think she employs people without experience so they don’t question her moralities. If you employ experienced people they’re going to question you, inexperienced people won’t question if your being ethical
No. 1363276
>>1363275That's exactly Caitlin's intent. She's got three friggin' writers and one dude who just knows how to manage. Like I said, I get that people can change career paths, but to be a part of something as pretentiously named The Order of the Good Death and only two of them are qualified to be doing anything with the deceased? Technically, only Taryn is qualified because Caitlin isn't even licensed to embalm and she could technically own the home and manage it herself if she wanted to.
Caitlin is the exact kind of crook she's accused other funeral homes of being with Jeff over here, clearly only having gotten into this because of money.
No. 1363303
>>1363294Part of me wonders if she’d even care. It seems from quite early on she had it in her sights to be publishing books and online content and being famous in some sort of way, that’s why she was so harshly tearing other women down who came to the public eye as a mortician - she was straight up terrified someone else would be prettier and more exciting than her and snatch up her fame and fortune before she had the oppertunity to.
Caitlin has employed someone who seems more qualified than she even is, let her have the glowing reviews, to her deathlings Taryn is making sure that
Caitlin looks good. Just like the articles on her blog, it’s all about how it makes her appear.
I’m sure most of her deathlings copies of
smoke gets in your eyes are largely nothing more than expensive coasters for their coffee mugs. Her own writings suggest how much she has no real care or interest in the dead and their loved ones.
No. 1363443
>>1363258You can archive them, anon
Clarity Funeral Staff:
https://archive.ph/NLTpnOrder of the Good Death Staff:
https://archive.ph/eS5HpOrder of the Good Death Funding Support:
https://archive.ph/viIhf No. 1363463
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>>1363220>CCBC has partnered with the nonprofit The Order of the Good Death to raise funds for students enrolled in CCBC’s Mortuary Science program>Make a donation today!>>1363235>Contribute to the Endowment FundIs the Order of the Good Death paying the tuition or just raising the funds?
https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/434672/community-college-of-baltimore-county/tuition/>For the academic year 2020-2021, the undergraduate tuition & fees at Community College of Baltimore County is $6,918 for Maryland residents and $10,062 for out-of-state students.So it's less than what Caitlin earns per month through Patreon
>>1356934There's also this:
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/good-death-fellowship/>This grant will provide funding to three recipients (fellows) to launch or advance their existing work on a specific project in their area of expertise>The grant is open to the public. All fields and professions- regardless of area of expertise- are eligible>How Much Are the Grants? $5,000 – $8,000>Applications may come from anywhere in the world.The Henrietta Duterte Scholarship is different from the Good Death Fellowship. Neither of them are specifically to help black women though. I also noticed that the Baltimore Community College uses photos of students with different ethnicities to promote the fund, while the Order of the Good Death purposely chose the only one with a black woman.
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>>1363172But the problem is Caitlin herself, not her nationality, which makes her unable to talk about Michoacan with respect. She doesn't care about bringing awareness to social issues or understanding the culture beyond the gory or unusual details. She doesn't even talk about cartel violence or funerals.
A summary of the chapter:
>The parades of Dia de los Muertos in Mexico City was a result of a James Bond movie. The government was afraid that the people from around the world would come and expect to see the celebration as portrayed by Spectre (2016).>Her friend Sarah Chavez takes her to Michoacan and tells her about Mexico. She says that she grew up with self-hating Mexican family members who wanted to assimilate to life in the US.>Sarah was not allowed to learn Spanish by her family and didn't feel a tangible connection to Mexican culture.>In 2013, Sarah lost her baby after 6 months of pregnancy. Frida Kahlo's miscarriage story gave her comfort and was the gateway into her own Mexican roots. Sarah and her partner Ruben (Mexican American) visited Mexico that year during Dia de los Muertos. This gave Sarah relief because her pain was finally recognized. Sarah and Ruben also visited Guanajuato to see El Museo de las Momias. She cried while watching the mummy of a little girl dressed in white because she thought she looked like an angel.>Dead children were considered saints and called Angelitos. They were painted or photographed. Sarah was moved by the way that these children were treated in Mexico.>Back in the present, the women are carrying pan de muerto and fresh fruit. Caitlin is admiring an altar made for a guy named Jorge who died at 26. His family members bring their ofrenda and children run around with their faces painted as catrinas. >Caitlin and Sarah visit many homes, make offerings and talk about specific details of their altars.>Caitlin says that she has attended Hollywood Dia de los Muertos celebrations, but they lack the emotion she is seeing right now.>They arrive to the cementery in Tzintzuntzan. There is a little boy lighting the candles for his grandma's grave. Sarah stops at a grave of a little boy named Marco, who died at the age of 1. >Sarah tells the story of how she lost her son. During her second ultrasound, the doctor discovered her baby was underdeveloped and had trisomy 13. She had to walk by a pro-lifer screaming at her to get her abortion. >If only the Mexicans living in the US would continue their Dia de los Muertos traditions… Unlike Americans, Mexicans have powers of healing and don't deny death. Western funeral homes are rigid and cold.>Caitlin and Sarah visit Frida Kahlo's Casa Azul in Mexico City. Caitlin speculates about Frida's feelings about abortion. They look at Frida's urn, death mask and paintings. She remarks on Frida's Angelito painting hung above her bed. The end. No. 1363519
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>>1357788What a contrast to how she reacted with David Bowie's death.
>>1361753I thought she had a bad relationship with her dad.
No. 1363535
>>1363491So basically that chapter is more about Sarah and not about Mexican traditions.
Look I feel for her, loosing her baby must’ve been absolutely awful. But doesn’t it say more about her being failed more by the healthcare system (I don’t understand why abortion clinics are separate from sexual health and early pregnancy units, that’s where you have your termination here, I think with later terminations they’re done in gynocology) and she obviously didn’t seem to have much in the way of bereavement counciling.
I’d even argue that there’s nothing wrong with finding comfort in other cultures celebrations when you’ve gone through something so tragic. But your family arnt self hating because they decided to asimílate into American culture. That’s what happens. You’ve gone your whole life with no concern or recognition for it, not even being identified by others as Latino, so why the larp now?
And it honestly makes me question more why she
hasn't fucking learnt Spanish! she doesn’t actually understand the traditions, she’s not going into the church, she’s not speaking to the local people, she’s just looking at the way they honour children and being like “yup, that’s it!”.
This chapter is Caitlin and her American friend being death tourists in Mexico.
No. 1363562
>>1363347Not a funeral director, but I found this:
https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/afterlife/embalming5.htm>Furthermore, especially in instances of vehicular accidents and chronic disease, embalming is important to the family members. It restores the individual to an acceptable condition and helps provide the family with what is called, a 'positive memory picture'.>A positive experience facilitates the grieving process.>Environmentally, the concern of embalming is mainly associated with the use of formaldehyde, which the United States Environmental Protection Agency lists as a probable carcinogen. This is a potential concern for embalmers and requires special training and protective equipment.>The main concern that proponents of other funeral preparation options have is placing formaldehyde in the ground. However, cemeteries are dedicated parcels of land that are generally owned by municipalities or privately held. Moreover, they adhere to strict city, county and/or state regulations.>Despite the current debate on embalming, there is consensus on one key point, though: When it comes to decisions related to the final resting of family members, families today – just as in the past – should know all their options and have the needed time to decide what works best for the deceased and for them and their grieving processes.http://www.fsnfuneralhomes.com/articles/pros-cons-embalming/>The three goals of embalming are as follows: preservation, presentation and sanitation.>Formaldehyde has been identified as a cancer-causing agent. Embalmers must wear full body coverings and may also wear a respirator when working with embalming fluids. As long as the embalmer takes all recommended precautions, the danger is limited.>As the body breaks down, the chemicals used in embalming are released. These chemicals can enter into the soil and could possibly filter into water sources consumed by humans. Embalming fluids may not be considered an environmental issue when the remains are housed in a sealed casket and burial vault. An alternative is to have the body cremated, which will also destroy the chemicals during the process.>There are many valid pros and cons for the embalming process. However, the decision is up to you and your family to choose the option that is right for you.https://sussexwillowcoffins.co.uk/cremation-or-burial-which-is-better-for-the-environment/>The unfortunate truth of the matter is that both options have some negative side effects. Cremation requires a lot of natural gas and produces a lot of excess CO². The burning of dental fillings within the cremated remains can also pollute the atmosphere with mercury when the body is cremated.Hopefully an anon from the industry can verify this information.
No. 1363631
>>1363562Also not a funeral director but I found this journal article
http://journals.chemsociety.org.ng/index.php/jcsn/article/view/624/683
>study was conducted in Nigeria, samples of soil were taken from the cemetery and from upto about 2km away
>extract ”Cemeteries represent a source of environmental threat due to their potential to accumulate and dischargelarge quantities of contaminants produced by the decomposition of corpses. Effluents can carry microorganisms and heavy metals through the soil to water resources. Since these environments are pollution point sources, people living close to cemeteries maybe exposed to elevated levels of extremely hurtful contaminants to human health. Experimental studies have shown that as human bodies and casket components degrade and decay eventually they could release inorganic and organic constituents that can infect various environmental media, such as ground water, soils, vegetation and surface water in the end causing human health ills”
>reference to a UK journal by the environmental agency that suggests over half the pollutant that arises from decomposition will happen within the first year and decline in subsequent years - I can’t read the UK article but I thought that point was interesting as embalming isn’t huge over here
> the soil itself is the biggest indicator of how quickly contaminants will be removed (ie is it well draining?)
> reference to a study in Brazil where the ground water was studied, describes a domino effect where the water was polluted with inorganic materials and harmful pathogens
>soil at the cemetery was also contaminated with types of materials used for burying the dead (largely metals and heavy metals)I’m not gonna lie I don’t understand all the geological science information that came in the subsequent paragraphs so if anyone wants to take a crack at that be my guest.
However I will post the conclusion of the study
>CONCLUSION - This study has revealed some level of pollution of soil and water by metals, embalming chemicals and agricultural herbicides. The physicochemical parameters of soil and water were generally found to have values below NESREA and WHO recommended limits in both analytical and control samples. The concentrations of metals in soil samples were also lower than the WHO and NESREA permissible limits except for Cd and Cr metals whose concentrations in water were above WHO permissible concentrations. Organic pollutants detected in the water samples were generally lower than the WHO recommendations for drinking water quality. The contamination factor and geo-accumulation index used as models to determine the pollution status of soil and water samples from the study area revealed that the soil contamination by heavy metals is generally low except for Cr metal. It is nevertheless, worth noting that persistent consumption of any water contaminated with embalming chemicals or heavy metals even at low concentrations over time may have health effects on the consumers.”Also the abstract does reccomend green burial practices and strict monitoring of the soil and water in the area
No. 1363739
>>1363737Its still strange to me that she has someone zero background in the field working with her. He's only worked with apparently one funeral home prior, but otherwise it looks like he's jumped industries to follow the money. Also, why not another woman if she's allegedly so feminist?
The Order of the Good Death also seems like a bitchy response to
>>1361612 where Daniella belonged to an all female group of funeral directors. As in, Cait created the order not only because she wanted to power trip, but also because she wanted what Daniella had.
No. 1363764
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>>1363759>>1363746I just want to clarify that those were not my words.
No. 1363771
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>>1363764Sarah sounds like she's the one who is self-hating over here with this larp. People assimilate when they emigrate to other countries, its normal, my own family has done this and it doesn't mean anybody is self-hating.. just holy shit. She's acting like they picrel'd her.
No. 1363780
>>1363746It shows a gross misunderstanding of the complicated nature of moving country and adopting to the new home and making sure your children feel settled there. As another anon pointed out Caitlin (and sarah) have shown they they either arnt interested in or completely oblivious to the reasons why people of a particular culture behave the way they do. They don’t understand the economical climate, crime or other sociological issues, they just rock up, point in that direction and like a pair of giggling schoolgirls point and gawk at what the natives are doing and then brag about the gory or prettier practices online.
>>1363736I think it’s pretty clear that Caitlin has from the get go, planned to become famous (and subsequently wealthy). She was barely out of mortuary school and writing books and starting her YouTube, she brags about years of experience but it was really years of grafting for the money and fame. She’s not actually interested in furthering anyone else’s career. Like mod_mortician commited (I posted the comments from her Instagram post announcing she was starting the fund earlier in the thread) she took a situation that was
not about her, at the height of its importance, and made it about herself. Her white guilt was glaring in that moment.
>>1363739I wonder if he had the money to invest?
No experience but a high position (and I’m assuming highly paid too).
No. 1363786
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>>1363781It doesn't even seem well thought out considering as it was pointed out upthread, their funeral home isn't even the most affordable "green" burial one in L.A. There are others, but Cait is totes about helping the downtrodden of society and as articles have touted she TOTES wants to put herself out of business!
No. 1363792
>>1363786Sorry if I end up double posting to reply to this
I’m not trying to make a political point, but make a behavioural comment:
Does anyone remember when Nigel Farrage started the UK Independance Party, he had this huge shtick that he didn’t want to be prime minister but that he was absolutely
commited to the cause. As soon as the UK voted for brexit he quit. He actually now has a whole new party that he’s the leader of.
Caitlins “I want to be out of a job” is the same shtick. It’s genius actually, like perverse psychology. What a great marketing tool, go to the person so passionate about this cause they want to be fired from it!
it’s a revolution It makes you look so ethical to the uninformed.
No. 1363796
Is anybody from the funerary industry online right now? Some anons would like to learn more about embalming
>>1363347,
>>1363367,
>>1363562,
>>1363631 No. 1363798
>>1363780i feel like they wouldn't refer to whites who move countries and assimilate (ike my family did in china 2 generations ago) as "self-hating". i get a very fetishistic vibe from caitlin wrt to any culture that isn't WASP. and that attitude, to me, signifies that she thinks of that culture as dominant/most privileged, if she considers it to be "boring" or "baseline". that's still fucking racist, and probably part of the reason a lot of
POC won't hang out with non-foreign whites in north america, if that's the attitude they have to deal with.
No. 1363805
>>1363802You know why she moved there though, anon. Everyone goes to L.A. when they're trying to make it big. She could've gone back home and if she gave a fuck so much about green burials, helped out with the state of Hawaii. Its absolutely disgusting in some parts not even necessarily due to tourism, but the locals are also to blame for trash dumping. She could've worked with her precious
poc there, but nope, she chose California and we all know why. The other college she attended was in Chicago and again, if she cared so much about
poc and the plight of black funeral homes, why not stay there and help out?
No. 1363816
>>1363798It still doesn’t explain why she’s not employed many
POC though. Surely she would have to at least parade that she and her company are super progressive?
She doesn’t seem to have many friends or professional acquaintances that are black or
POC, unsurprising really. Why would you want to associate with someone who would just want to use you for your skin colour and show how woke they are (and make a profit off you) it’s almost as if yknow, people of colour are, infact, people. But she treats them like a spectacle, writes her self congratulatory book and uses cultures and traditions she doesn’t understand as a perverse freak show to stare at.
I wouldn’t be her friend either.
No. 1363856
>>1363848derail but
i agree, and the main thing that makes it really hard for me to socialize with or befriend straight women is how so many of them view other women as competition. i know we have our own sort of drama as lesbians, but the unsupportive/self-oppressing attitudes of straight coworkers or my male friends' gfs is very hard to navigate, for me. idk what it's like if you're not attractd to other women but i can't really find the energy to be mean or suspicious to a woman more beautiful or successful than me. i am happier seeing them as examples if not crushes. women like caitlin are self-sabotaging via their high school insecurities that no one else cares about
No. 1363869
>>1363856Nta but I'm bi and I also feel that. Cait being straight doesn't help things, not to derail, but it certainly does play into her hatred of other women and sabotaging them. As much as she claims to be an ally, feminist, or whatever at the end of the day she's an absolutely insecure person who thinks herself superior to others and ultimately deserving of great things while everyone else can go kick rocks. It also explains why she places troons above actual cis women and you just know that when she and her off-brand 'The Craft' clique find this thread, one of the first things they'll do if they even make light of it on social media is posture about how we're all evil terfs. Because having the approval of men masquerading as woman is more important to Caitlin, because they're no competition to her in reality, than the camaraderie of actual fellow women. The site won't be mentioned by name because she knows doing so would allow people to come read the think for themselves and they'll intentionally cherry-pick posts making fun of her weight so she can make herself seem like a perfect little
victim.
No. 1363880
>>1363869Oh they will
absolutely hint at the posts about her appearance despite the fact there’s only been one or two comments about it. The majority of the thread is actually quite intellectual with genuine criticism from people in the same or adjacent fields and commentary on how she conducts herself and her virtue signaling woke holier than thou attitude. She won’t name the site because her stans might come here and take off their rose tinted glasses.
Everything that is here has come from her herself. It’s her words, her posts, her books with actually intelligent and thoughtful responses.
I’m fully expecting some bottom feeder you tuber at some point to find the thread and take all the evidence anons have collected and do a call out video and palm it off as their own(wouldn’t be the first time).
OT:
I’ve long thought that actually aside from the obvious bit of trolling, a lot of the anons that frequent the site arnt quite the shit lords they’re made out to be, they’re disillusioned by contemporary culture and parasocial relationships and can work together completely anonymously to gather a wealth of information for zero personal, social or financial gain. I think this thread is a good example of that! I do love a good snarky comment or two, the savage humour on this site is top notch No. 1363895
>>1363887I think the stans have gone quiet because they were expecting a nitpick thread and not the actually informative and critical thread it’s become.
I stopped watching her about a year ago for similar reasons, there was just something off about her. She doesn’t even write her own videos, you’d think that as an ‘accomplished’ author she’d at least write her own content.
I still can’t get over how she duped so many people with that scholarship fund. What an absolute self congratulatory fraud. Way to make a serious movement about yourself Cait.
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>>1363895>She doesn’t even write her own videos, you’d think that as an ‘accomplished’ author she’d at least write her own content.Not even just that, but you'd think that someone who claims to be oh so passionate about the funeral industry and its future as she does would be writing their own content and enjoy doing so. There are small yt channels which are nothing but somebody recounting 'creepy' shit they found on the internet and even they write their own content. Caitlin can't be assed to do hard work. Ever.
>I still can’t get over how she duped so many people with that scholarship fund.Yeah, I do hope that what
>>1363880 said is true about a bottom feeder coming here and putting that tidbit on blast along with everything else. Its pretty gross and concerning that she's cultivated such a following that doesn't question anything she does, yet she demands them to be skeptical and question the industry which she works in just because she said so.
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I wanted to return to the discussion about embalming, caitlins biggest issue is the effect that burying a body that’s been embalmed might have on the environment.
Before I go any further I’m no chemist, scientist, funeral director or whatever so take what I say with a grain of salt
I had a look for the most common chemicals used during embalming, which is formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, methanol, humectants and wetting agents as well as other solvents.
Formaldehyde is actually made in the human body, it’s biggest issue is being an irritant when inhaled.
Formaldehyde is normally made in the body. Enzymes in the body break down formaldehyde into formate (formic acid), which can be further broken down into carbon dioxide. Most inhaled formaldehyde is broken down by the cells lining the mouth, nose, throat, and airways, so that less than a third is absorbed into the blood. According to the US Consumer Product Safety Commission, formaldehyde is normally present at low levels (less than 0.03 parts per million) in both indoor and outdoor air. Materials containing formaldehyde can release it as a gas or vapor into the air. Automobile exhaust is a major source of formaldehyde in outdoor air.It’s actually present in a huge number of things, pressed woods, home insulation, invented gas, wood and kerosene stoves are also releasing more into the air at home, it’s in tobacco smoke (and worse when breathed in as second hand smoke), it’s in low concentrations of beauty and cosmetics products like lotions, shampoo, conditioner and nail polish. Professional keratin hair treatments also have formaldehyde or formaldehyde releasing agents which can raise the percentage in the air causing a potential hazard.
Workers in industries that make formaldehyde or formaldehyde-containing products, lab technicians, some health care professionals, and funeral home employees may be exposed to higher levels of formaldehyde than the general public. Exposure occurs mainly by inhaling formaldehyde gas or vapor from the air or by absorbing liquids containing formaldehyde through the skin. In one large study of workers in industries that make or use formaldehyde, the average level of formaldehyde exposure was 0.45 parts per million (ppm) overall, with less than 3% of workers experiencing more than 2 ppm on average.Source:
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/formaldehyde.htmlI can’t access the linked journal but from what I can see on google there are attempts to find alternative chemicals for use in embalming that will reduce the risk that comes with having regular exposure to formaldehyde (warning though: this experiment was conducted on dogs). I didn’t even think of this before, I know Cait has a massive hate boner for embalming but I honestly don’t think the practice is going to just go away because some hippy in LA can’t be arsed with it, but maybe there’s oppertunity to find alternative chemical processes for preserving the body? One that has less risk to practitioners?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0940960210001196Caitlin always talks as if there’s only one alternative to the current system and waves around her embalming hatred flag, but yknow there’s other possibilities
I could be wrong about any and all of the above so again if any funeral anons want to way in go ahead
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>>1363347The industry is way more progressive than it seems, but that doesn’t fit the narrative of people with YouTube channels and books to sell. Eco-friendly products that make it past prototype stages are developed by or with assistance from funeral directors that want to serve their families better. There are hang ups with legislation of certain disposition methods, but it’s also funeral directors who are advocating for new technology. Funerals homes are always made to be the money grabbing industry taking advantage of people while grieving, while in actuality we just follow they laws that states and the federal government impose. My home specifically hasn't had any demands for green funerals, but that doesn't mean that others have had the same experience and ultimately its up to personal preference. I'm for alternative funerals. I'm for green burials and solutions, but what I'm not for is the way things have been misrepresented by certain people. I've never witnessed nor heard of a single cremation performed because the family had concerns for the environment. We also never pressure families to choose any particular disposition whether full service with embalming, immediate cremation, or anything in between.
Consider this as well: Most people who are grieving having just lost a family member would not have environmental concerns being paramount in their thoughts. Again, I am not against green funerals, but I've really never had anybody telling me that they hope the environment is appeased or what have you. I'm trying hard to word this in a way that doesn't come off as rude because its been a very long week and I'm exhausted.
>>1363562 >>1363631
>>1363773 >>1363924 These posts have actually significantly contributed to the discussion and put things in a more concise way than I could, for fear of sounding as if I'm trying to push anyone in either direction. Also, how far away is your closest green cemetery? Its probably a significant distance. How many people are driving in their cars from how many miles away to that cemetery? Consider how much natural gas is used to cremate the average adult compared to how much gasoline is used to transport a body and have their friends and family travel for a green funeral. Both are bad for the environment, but until there’s more green cemeteries cremation is still going to be the technically greener option in most cases. The industry is shifting to more environmental options, but the laws generally aren't there to make it widely accessible. Funeral Directors don't exist in a vacuum. We are governed. If you want change, you need to petition your lawmakers. The demand also isn't everywhere. Again, the demand is increasing in the industry overall, but there are specific areas where traditional burials are still the default. When you don't have much access to green cemeteries, then you can't really justify the cost of having green burial material.
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>>1363924if she cares about cancer from
toxic waste she could donate some money to helping with early childhood
toxic waste exposure in the rust belt and the indian ocean & south china sea. "cancer clusters" exist in all these places and we've just been acting like it's totally normal for a town to revolve around the cancer hospital.
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>>1363957>>1363959Plastics anon, I'm pleasantly surprised to see you show up itt because there was something I refrained from posting last night because I was fearful it'd be seen as nitpicking or something else. Now, I've found conflicting sources on this, but could you tell me how long it takes for plastic to decompose? I've found sources which say that it never actually does and sources which say 250-500 years.
Caitlin has shilled Border Angels on a past video, which is an organization which leaves canned goods and plastic gallons of water out in the desert for migrants attempting to cross the U.S. border. These volunteers also allegedly go out there and clean up the trash, but I find it hard to believe that they're able to scale the entirety of this desert landscape and get every single piece of trash. Not to mention, getting it before an animal gets a hold of it or gets stuck in it and dies or ingests it.
If she's so concerned about the environment, why doesn't she give a shit about the fact that Border Angels has claimed that they've left 1,200 gallons of water out there?
https://www.borderangels.org/water-drops.htmlApologies if this is a nitpick, but I just find it to be highly ironic and hypocritical coming from the woman who is screaming about burial processes. Also, is this plastic even bpa-free? Doesn't say.
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Her thumbnails have always irked the shit out of me with the stupid exaggerated facial expressions she does. They're even worse in motion. So iconic though, an entire family being murdered and mostly women.
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>>1364029tinfoil:
there is some aspect of how white americans have evolved/interbred that has led to so many of the women having these epic lantern jaws. amanda palmer is another example. so is laura dern. i hope caitlin does find her imaginary mexican bf just to prevent further generations of women from turning out so troon-faced
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>>1364078This is par the course for most of her videos, as pointed out with
>>1363175 Most of them are her acting like a retarded shithead while presenting a serious topic, but because she's Caitlin Doughty, she knows her braindead audience won't ask any questions about the parlor tricks.
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>>1364077As discussed upthread, even if she didn't lose any weight and simply lost the wiggy bangs and/or went barefaced she'd look more feminine. She looks like a normal girl in her early passport photo. She can't dress herself for shit and her hair makes her look like Lord Farquaad. All that money and she can't hire a personal stylist, but she was proud to drop money on an overpriced geode ring from Nordstrom as if its some sort of flex.
https://twitter.com/thegooddeath/status/830159936818524160?lang=en No. 1364092
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>>1364087Also, gasp! Purchasing from NORDSTROM!? Surely, the SUPER WOKE QWEEN OF DEATH would never!
https://goodonyou.eco/how-ethical-nordstrom/ No. 1364288
>>1363326Are you talking about the woman who used to work with her in Undertaking LA?
>>1363782I am just surprised to learn that there are BDSM clubs in Hawaii where they let underage girls get whipped.
>>1363938Thank you for taking your time to write this for us, anon. I really appreciate learning about the industry. I hope you have a wonderful week!
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I think this book anon
>>1363041 is right, so I am adding a summary of
The Thud:
>Caitlin spent the first 18 years of her life in Hawaii.>Her first experience with death was at the age of 5. Her pet fish, Superfly, had parasites that stripped him of his colors. One morning her mother found Superfly floating on his tank and told her he died. She poked at the fish to prove that he was dead, just to have him come back to life with all her jabbing. Her dad disposed of Superfly on the toilet anyways and went to the pet shop to get her a new fish, Superfly II.>At the age of 8, Caitlin and her father went to the mall for a Halloween costume contest. She was dressed as a dead prom queen and won the prize money, $75. She changed out of her out and was looking for her father, when she saw a girl climb up where the escalator meets the second floor rail. She tipped over the edge and fell 30 feet, landing on her face. The mother of this girl yelled "my baby, no, my baby!" as a crowd formed.>Her father went directly to Caitlin and made a joke to not follow that girl and just take the escalator instead. She didn't thought it was funny. She couldn't sleep all night long. Her parents took her for chocolate chip pancakes and never spoke about the incident again.>Caitlin talks about how North America is built on death and how high child mortality used to be. She talks about how close to death children used to be in the past. They used to be pallbearers for other children.>During a Girls Scout field trip to the fire station, Caitlin asked a fireman what happened to the girl at the mall. She wasn't satisfied with the answer and wished she knew more details. She wasn't sure if the girl is dead or alive, but was too terrified to ask more.>Caitlin developed OCD as a way to control her fear of death. Her teacher called her parents when she started to drool and spit on her shirt. She says that she should have received Cognitive Behavior Therapy, but her parents didn't believe in therapy.>As she grew older, her OCD subsided and her thoughts about death stopped. She had developed death denial in order to move on with her life. Caitlin laments how much better her life would have been if she was introduced to death as a friend.>As an adult, Caitlin is trying to fix what happened to her at age 8 and working at a crematory is her way to heal. Her dream is to create La Belle Mort, a modern and sleek house of bereavement where children can engage with mortality early on. No. 1364314
>>1363992>>1363994In
Will My Cat Eat My Eyeballs, she talks about the possibility of donating your body to Body Worlds and how the process of plastination works.
In
Smoke Gets In Your Eyes, her crematory had contracts with two anatomical donation facilities. They delivered body parts for her to cremate. Some quotes:
>Science Support is essentially a body broker, accepting whole dead bodies for donation and then dividing them up and selling the parts, as a junkyard does for old cars. Science Support isn’t the only name in the body-broker game. Several large companies trade in this macabre (but quite legal) field.>There are many positives to donating your body to science. In the modern death landscape, body donation is the only surefire way to make sure your death is free. After your death, Science Support will pick up your corpse, transport you to their facility, use you to cure cancer (note: results may vary), and then pay for your cremation at Westwind. Indeed, your body might be used on the front lines of medical research.>Unfortunately, not every dead body goes to what might be considered “noble ends.” There is a slim possibility that your donated head will be the head, the head that holds the key to the mysteries of the twenty-first century’s great disease epidemics. But it is equally possible your body will end up being used to train a new crop of Beverly Hills plastic surgeons in the art of the facelift. Or dumped out of a plane to test parachute technology. Your body is donated to science in a very… general way. Where your parts go is not up to you.>Did that mean I was considering such an end for myself? Au contraire. I had a violent reaction to the thought of being fragmented in this way. It seemed like a serious loss of control to have my head lying in a box somewhere, the unbridled anonymity, only a number and my shellfish allergy to define me. My mother had always told me that it didn’t matter what we did with her dead body: “Just put me in a Hefty bag out on the curb for the trash guys for all I care.” No, Mother. Donating your body to science was certainly noble, but I revolted at the thought of anonymous portions, sections, and parts scattered about town.>Then again, death brings an inevitable loss of control. It seemed unfair that I could spend a lifetime making sure I was dressed well and saying all the right things only to end up dead and powerless at the end. Naked on a cold white table, boobs flopped to the side, blood seeping out the side of my mouth, some random funeral home worker hosing me down.>I, of all people, had no rational reason to be against scientific donation, against the fragmentation of the body. Part of the fear is cultural. The dismemberment of the body prior to a Tibetan Sky Burial is difficult to accept even though, rationally, cremation is just another kind of fragmentation. The cousin of a friend was killed in Afghanistan. There was a brief period of time after the death that his mother received distressing reports that the roadside bomb that killed him had sent his limbs in all directions. She was relieved to discover his body was intact, even though his body was flown home to be placed directly into the cremation chamber, transformed by fire into thousands upon thousands of anonymous chunks of inorganic bone. No. 1364322
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>>1364018They are dramatic and silly, which makes them perfect for thread pics tbh
No. 1364347
>>1363957this is ot so I apologize but
>i LOVE plastic (protip: no one is ever a casual plastics fan)I love you, qt plastics enthusiast
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>>1357623The woman in the video is Katrina Spade. Caitlin helped to promote her Kickstarter
>>1362272 to fund the Urban Death Project, which raised $91,378 in 2016:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/546469190/the-urban-death-project-laying-our-loved-ones-to-r>The Urban Death Project is a new system that utilizes the natural process of decomposition to safely and gently turn our deceased into soil. The project is creating a meaningful, equitable, and ecological alternative to existing options for the care of the dead. No. 1364364
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This article was a while ago, so I wonder if they are still working on it or if the project was scrapped:
https://variety.com/2015/tv/news/paramount-tv-anonymous-content-developing-smoke-gets-in-your-eyes-series-1201484057/
>Paramount Television and Anonymous Content are developing a series, based on Caitlin Doughty’s memoir “Smoke Gets in Your Eyes: and Other Lessons.”>Dunsky commented, “It’s a very rare thing to be given material of such emotional depth, wit, warmth and clear-eyed sense of purpose. Caitlin is extraordinary in every sense of the word. We look forward to turning her vision into a terrific show. I’m thrilled to be a part of this team.”>Doughty will serve as a consulting producer on the project. No. 1364391
>>1364307The description of
La Bella Mort sounds exactly like what Elizabeth was doing, even down to the detail of working with celebrities and wealthy people
>>1362082,
>>1361751. It must have really pissed Caitlin off that another woman was able to accomplish what she wanted to do.
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They're baaaack kek
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>>1363833When I used to be a fan of Caitlin, I remember that she promoted Lindsey Fitzharris, a fellow member of the Order of the Good Death. She made an appearance in an Ask A Mortician video (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI-pW4X_uE0) and went on many book tours together.
Lindsey is a medical historian, wrote a book called "The Butchering Art" about Joseph Lister and is working on a book about the history of plastic surgery. Her videos are centered around the medical past and the evolution of equipment and instruments used in the field. She was a guest on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple of years ago and currently has a show with the Smithsonian Channel.
…and I just noticed that Lindsey and Caitlin don't follow each other anymore, so I guess they had some kind of falling out. I wonder if there is drama behind the scenes in the Order or if Caitlin struggles to get along with women who are successful.
No. 1364461
>>1364450There are threads on this site where things are dug up from years and years ago, stories of people that went to high school with cows etc.
This is one of the most interesting threads on the site, the stans are butt hurt.
>>1364445Maybe! I thought it was a my chemical romance reference, lots of fans back in the MySpace days used Bella Muerte.
>>1364364When I read through all her old blogs the other day it seemed super apparent that from very early on she was planning on a game and fortune career, as someone else said that’s why she moved to LA after all. Her plans seem to have kept falling through but there seems to have been several talks about a TV show with non getting off the ground. I’d have to reread the blog to see if the talks came before the channel (maybe the channel wasn’t started to be a career in its own right but more of an actors reel to show to networks as a peek of the sort of thing she wanted to create). A book would have helped cement her legitimacy to a network aswell surely?
No. 1364465
>>1364463It also wouldn’t be a surprise, that song is from three cheers and all the way through black parade they had a
spooky aesthetic. Made a lot of songs about death or dying, did the whole black parade is dead thing in Mexico City
Though maybe their music wasn’t Latino enough for her, it certainly wasn’t played on Latin FM or whatever station it was she listened to
The phrase Bella Mort does just make me immedietly think of them, other anons had far more intelligent ideas than me
No. 1364471
>>1363143Compare with this.
>>1361612 She hates embalming and holds up indigenous burial practices as authentic because her personality is rooted in being a nlog bitch who shocks and impresses you by being a girl who's not scared of a decomposing body. A carefully cared for, respected body isn't gross or shocking so it's an opportunity to show off to an audience that was denied.
No. 1364484
>>1364481Lol she does the exact same thing in
>>1356924"When Iiii die, I would like my body to be eaten by animals." Pause with shit-eating "can you believeeee what I just said?" grin on her face. You can tell she expects head pats for her brave NLOG-ness
No. 1364487
>>1364461>several talks about a TV show with non getting off the groundThis is why Lindsey and Caitlin's falling out caught my attention. Caitlin also had negotiations with the Smithsonian Channel to have her own show
>>1360155, but it hasn't worked out. Since she is a petty and jealous bitch, I wouldn't be surprised if she felt like she deserved Lindsey's opportunities and did something behind the scenes.
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That kid ain't right. Who the hell wants to talk about endocannibalism with the checkout lady at Walmart? Death positivity is just an excuse to be a creep.
No. 1364498
>>1364288>the woman who used to work with her in Undertaking LAI don't know, it was around 2012/13 i think? it was a white lady with a mullet sort of haircut with baby bangs. she was sweet and i read her pitch for a funeral home and it sounded very nice. a lot like "la belle mort"(stupid fucking name caitlin, french isn't an aesthetic) mentioned in
>>1364307 but for adults/families and not an ego boost.
btw, caitlin could afford to make her stupid kiddie playhouse of death right now if she really wanted to, but we all know she's just doing the nigel farage thing described upthread.
No. 1364625
>>1361440Wow huge difference in tone, knowledge and professionalism. This guy's autistic/weird as you'd expect from a mortician, but he has so much more technical knowledge of how bodies are prepared than Caitlin seems to. An experienced, working mortician vs. the pseud deathfluencer.
And somehow as he's sharing these nitty-gritty body prep techniques, he shows more humanity than I've ever seen from Caitlin - says he applies Chapstick and facecream to bodies while he works because of his "great concern" their skin might appear cracked to loved ones at a funeral. He also discusses burnout and says "giving families the chance to see their loved ones one last time" is what keeps him going some days. Actual empathy vs. Caitlin's off-putting mix of maudlin fakeness, preachiness and cringe jokes. Honestly I used to watch her but this video really highlights what an asshole she is in comparison.
No. 1364664
>>1361791To me this is one of her better videos, it's a little cringe like everything she does but it's straightforward and respectfully explores funeral traditions worldwide. I'd be less annoyed by her if she stuck to this educational format vs. the morbid DETHGURL Orgish-lite shit where she's just doing gore but with a historical sheen.
Anyway not to derail ur comment anon, as a Latina I absolutely diagnose her as a white girl who wants to be spicy, and when she says "capirotada" she sounds Japanese kek - timestamped here if anyone wants a laff
https://youtu.be/K50lcPuB8Zk?t=274 No. 1364677
>>1361924Yeah no way in hell this girl is full blooded Mexican, she is this 1/4 Latina at most. Her features aren't Mexican or any type of Latina (I'm Latina and I wouldn't clock her as one of us, Mexicans especially have strong genes and a very distinct look vs. Puerto Ricans or South Americans), her hair is dyed dark (peep the lighter eyebrows), and most tellingly, she has blue eyes - a recessive trait, meaning both parents need to have passed along the blue-eyes gene. Meaning it's very likely that both her parents are white.
This explains why she doesn't speak Spanish too, if your parents speak the language you will pick up at least some. She seems like a basic college educated white girl who buys all this woke "Latinx" shit which yes, actual Latinos hate, reaching way back in the family tree to grasp onto her Mexican grandfather or whatever and styling herself as Chicanx for Twitter points. There are a ton of these nowadays. She even has Dio de los Muertos makeup on in her social pfp lmao, she is working this brand way too hard. When someone just "is" something they don't have to sell it. Feels fake as fuck honestly.
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>>1361924>>1364677TBH She looks like an even older, more haggard Zooey Deschanel.
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>>1364677You are correct anon, from this Instagram post she appears to only have one set of Mexican grandparents
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bjk_2_zgJVQ/?utm_medium=copy_linkI’m glad I wasn’t the only one that thought her Latinx larp was odd, my boyfriend is Mexican (and I mean Mexico, Mexican) but I’m white (and literally from Europe) so I’m not usually good at catching things like that and obviously I didn’t just want to take his word for everything as I appreciate that mexico is a vast place and the culture changes through the regions.
Her use of Latinx struck me as really odd, like okay call yourself whatever you want but I’ve largely heard Latinos express dislike for the term as the X can’t really be pronounced in Spanish - plus the plural or gender neutral term would be Latino. It just shows a real lack of understanding of the language.
Plus going through her Instagram she only really seems to focus on the day of the dead celebrations. She clearly doesn’t have any connection to other holidays and their traditions because she wasn’t raised with them and hasnt integrated with (other) Mexicans to learn them.
She seems big on social justice but doesn’t actually
do anything to support Mexican people, just reposts shit on Instagram. If you care so much wouldn’t you, for starters,
learn Spanish and secondly, pick something to really help your community. Rocking upto the occasional protest and blogging on Twitter about how your oppressed isn’t helping. She, and I’ve said this before I apologise, shows a great lack of understanding of the complex issues that face Mexican people on a social and economic level. She’s not far off Caitlin, dump a few barrels of water in the desert and that’ll do.
Much like Caitlin she’s there for the uwu spooky aesthetic and asspats.
Thankyou for your comments anon I appreciate hearing someone else’s perspective on her that’s much more knowledgeable on the subject than me. I’m curious if you read the other anons summery of the chapter on Mexico in “from here to eternity”.
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>>1364847I still can't get over how her username includes 'calavera'. If anything really shows the lack of genuine interest in her culture and only a desire to be spoopy uwu, it's that glaring shit and her sugar skull aesthetic.
It's just.. I can't anymore man, kek. Why don't they roll up to the REAL MEXICO (in the immortal words of Carlos Mencia) and ask people about their plight, the corrupt government, Santa Muerte and what she expects in return if you go seeking her help.
No. 1364995
>>1361440>>1364625Since so many anons seem to like this mortician, this is Part 2.
How do morticians get into their profession?For myself, I always grew up kind of surrounded by death, if you will. I found my best friend dead in his bed when I was four. I had a sister that was born before me that passed away and we'd always visit her grave. And then for about 10 years when I was a kid, we lost a close family member. An aunt, an uncle, a grandparent… every year for about a decade. So I was around funerals a whole lot. It made me understand that this is something important and worth doing.Could that line of work cause PTSD?Well, the truth of it is, it can be a very emotionally taxing job. You do see a lot of things that you just don't wanna see. Graphic injury, increasingly decaying bodies, burying children… all those things are really, really, really hard. But there are a lot of good things too. For instance, when you come across a situation like that, you're in a position to actually help a family in a way that nobody else can. As for it causing PTSD, maybe? I think it depends on the person, but I think if you put the idea that you're there for help first, kind of before your own emotional investment in it, that's probably the ticket to keeping you free of those debilitating anxieties. No. 1365006
>>1364508I didn't know that pastry chefs are
that crazy…
>>1364664The idea was not bad, but it was not well executed imo. She just takes some bites out of each dish, comments on it and move on to the next one. It feels too scripted for a mukbang.
>>1364847I guess Sarah doesn't see anything wrong with calling her grandparents self-hating Mexicans and then use them for Instagram likes.
No. 1365078
>>1364686? are you retarded
Sara is one of the most common Spanish names
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>>1364677>>1364847From the book:
>When Sarah was born, she was not allowed to learn Spanish. She had lighter skin, which made her the favorite grandchild. Her Mexicanness was confined to the home. Growing up in Los Angeles, she bounced between a distant mother, her Hollywood costumer father (who to this day identifies not as Mexican, but as ‘American Indian’), and her grandparents. Sarah grew comfortable being an American who happened to be Mexican, but felt little tangible connection to her family’s culture. No. 1365245
>>1365164Problem glasses lol. Highly correlated with college education, leftist politics, and being a white girl who big ups being at most 1/4 Mexican, to get props from other white people, and tell other Latinos what to do.
>>1365098>She had lighter skin, which made her the favorite grandchild.Notice it doesn't say favorite child - this confirms it was her grandparents who were Mexican, not her parents. Also imo, it's a lie anyway lol - why would someone who's only 1/4 Mexican not be light skinned? Feel like she's stealing valor from the many real tales of colorism out there….while basically wearing brownface bc it sure looks to me like she's changing her skin tone via makeup or filters, and more shittily, claiming herself to be this radical sister soldier speaking for the entire Latino community - when we can plainly see she's not one of us lol
>>1364847There you go. Not being cocky but I'm pretty good at spotting "my people" and had a feeling she wasn't. And yeah in my experience, people like this do not care about the vast majority of Latinos' dislike of "Latinx" - because they don't care about getting respect from other Latinos, they use that word as an in-group signal to other liberal/progressive whites to show how woke they are - and time and time again, white ppl elevate these types of Latinos, and only these types of Latinos, to positions of power. I guarantee you Caitlin Doughty doesn't understand the nuances of Latino culture in America, being full-blooded vs. half vs. 1/4. And she doesn't care. She just wants to have a
POC on her team so she can look woke, and Sarah just wants cover for pushing her politics on Instagram. It's shitty and grifty and I wish I could say it wasn't common. Fwiw my black friends describe a similar phenomenon in their community - very common that ones elevated to positions of power are biracial or 1/4 black. For many reasons, not least of all that someone raised in white culture has more access to, and is better at gaming white culture - knows what guilt and reward buttons to push.
Sorry this cmt is so long, I will look into the post you mentioned, altho I'm PR + Dominican so wouldn't be an expert on Mexican customs but I'm kinda living for this milk lol. Hate the grifters, love to see them exposed.
No. 1365251
>>1361924Unfortunately some diaspora/americanized children of immigrants are usually like this. They're insecure about their lack of connection to their ethnic background and feel guilty for assimilating into the culture of the country they actually live in, so they overcompensate by becoming some of the most annoying SJWs out there. They sperg out about "decolonizing" everything and act like cultural gatekeepers when they themselves don't even know that much about it or even visited the country before.
They also project their cultural insecurity onto white people, so they don't have to deal with the fact that the only person who is really disconnecting them from getting in touch with their own roots is themselves. It's a total cope.
No. 1365272
>>1365254That's what you took from all this? Girl I'm not running her 23 and me, I'm just sharing my opinion that I don't think she's half Mexican - based on looks and her blue eyes indicating both parents have at least some white admixture. She admits her father doesn't consider himself Mexican. Imo she's not a reliable narrator since she's made being Super Chicana her whole identity she has incentive to exaggerate, so I'm just going by what I observe. I could be wrong and anyone's free to disagree.
I feel weird even going this deep in it bc tbh I don't care what someone's blood is - I just don't appreciate when someone clearly plays up their heritage in order to speak for a whole community, many of which have deeper roots than this grifter does. Like be 1/2 or 1/4 or whatever you are, but don't sit here with your bullhorn in sugar skull makeup when we know damn well you're just a slightly spicy white girl who liked Disney's Coco lmao.
No. 1365296
>>1365272>when someone clearly plays up their heritage in order to speak for a whole community,Nta but that's what it boils down to when it comes to Sarah Senorita over here and Caitlin: They're grifting, both of them, and its irritating because this shits been the norm for several years now. They don't actually help any communities or educate anyone. Cait keeps her around to look woke because her second job after being a fat, wannabe goff is to be savior to
poc everywhere.
No. 1365311
>>1365272ayrt I agree with everything you said. I was just wondering about that bit.
I am from Central America and I think Sarah is full of shit too. She has no idea what Latinos go through. The last thing that we care about is some retarded shit like decolonizing death. She is disconnected from the Latino community, but instead of taking her time to learn Spanish and engaging with them, she blames her grandparents. I have a hard time believing that her grandparents didn't make her Mexican food at home or would have happily answered her questions about Mexico. She just didn't care enough until she could use their heritage for woke points.
I also wish that Caitlin and Sarah had mentioned something more than fucking Dia de los Muertos, but maybe it's a blessing in disguise. These two would have tried to push some kind of agenda, instead of genuinely trying to understand the social climate or the culture.
No. 1365332
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>>1365264I don't think so. She hasn't been tweeting consistently on these past months.
No. 1365349
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>>1357423Catching up on this thread and this is one of the most jarring things in it to me. How old was Caitlin when she picked up this 19 year old? I'm not "alleging" anything but the way she talks about this random hitchhiker is so gross and objectifying, it's exactly how men have been writing about young girls since forever
>he was just young and uncomplicated enough to relieve my painGirl what? That's creepy as fuck, you're not Nabakov or Norman Mailer so stop lusting after teenagers like it's cute
No. 1365382
>>1365251Bahaha I hadn't even read the posts yet outing her as like 25% Mexican at best, which
really explains the tryhard energy.
You can be 100% Mexican as an ethnicity/nationality and still be white in the sense of having Spanish european genes. There's nothing inherently wrong with her identifying as Latina, although she should really spend more time immersing herself in the actual culture to make up for the distance instead of larping as the most Mexican to ever Mexican because she's desperate to be taken seriously.
The real problem is she's trying to pass herself off as this proud brown radical xicana indigenous
PoC fighting her colonialist oppressors when that's a laughable misrepresentation of her actual background.
No. 1365421
>>1365382>The real problem is she's trying to pass herself off as this proud brown radical xicana indigenous PoC fighting her colonialist oppressors when that's a laughable misrepresentation of her actual background.Everything you said but especially that part. I'm less concerned with her exact percentages vs. the fact she's clearly misrepresenting herself. Be as proud of your heritage and political as you want, but don't claim to be brown, don't hide the fact that you're mixed, and for damn sure don't claim indigineous when you weren't raised in that culture.
Idk if Sarah ~Calvera knows this, but many indigineous people consider it offensive when people use blood ancestry to define themselves as indigineous - doing so is itself a tool of colonialism, since this is how the US government categorized Native peoples and justified subordinating them. This is why many tribes prefer to use cultural standards like tribal citizenship or reservation residence to determine if someone is Native. Look into "blood quantum" if you're interested in learning more, Sarah Chavez sure as hell should if she's gonna continue her indigineous larp
No. 1365467
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>>1365382>>1365421I can hear the screeching from her now once they find this and cry gatekeeping kek
Also I found picrel from an article while googling for more information about Sarah and the tone shift here when describing her family is so dramatic that its embarrassing and makes her grift even more obvious. I thought she was the only member who is ~*Latinx*~, so now its her whole family? She said her family was self-hating and ashamed, but this is an interview from last year and now they're Latinx and proud?
https://nerdist.com/article/death-positive-movement/Also
>property historian for abandoned hospital>wanted to protect facts around the building in a ~*diverse*~ areaIts nice to see where the priorities lie with this one. The LA in Latina doesn't stand for L.A., but go off.
No. 1365476
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>>1365467More self-important shit from her webpage.
https://sarah-chavez.com/aboutShe also sounds like a covert weeb for bringing up Japanese-Americans randomly in here, as if anyone asked for her to insert herself into their community or situations. Notice how there's no mention of any other ethnic groups in here except for Asian, specifically the Japanese. Also, where does her work involve women? I haven't seen a single indicator that she helps women on her social media or on the Order's website.
No. 1365479
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Your "ancestors" must be so proud that you retweet shit all day and call it a struggle.
No. 1365483
>>1365476>Sarah uses her voiceSarah uses her loudness
>to stand up and advocateto speak over and attention-whore
>for those who don't have privilegefor Latinos who don't give a shit about being famous on social media and who largely do not share her liberal arts grad progressive values
>in this life and beyondshe'll speak over your dead abuelita too
No. 1365485
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>>1363264Returning to other Order members.
https://twitter.com/LouiseHung1Again, the jokes write themselves. She used to write for the garbage that was xojane, specifically the creepycorner. Of course there are references to ghosts because uwu spoopy qrrky.
No. 1365486
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>>1365485So oppressed without a cweepy cwoner uwu, but lives in one of the most expensive states.
No. 1365492
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>>1365486Her writings are terrible and just as self-involved as Caitlin and it seems like every few sentences we need a reminder that she's Chinese-American. As if nobody looking at her name and/or picture can already see this.
https://medium.com/@loume17https://www.huffpost.com/author/louise-hunghttps://www.catster.com/author/louise-hung No. 1365498
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>>1363266This one is pretty difficult to find any information on.
>>1363267The Lena Dunham lookalike.
https://twitter.com/ms_creilly?
Refers to herself as a reporter and seems to have the same complex as with her headshot: Her twitter icon is her in bad golden hour lighting, I guess trying to appear sexy, but she really does look like someone's dumpy mom from the midwest. When she's not doing stuff for the Order, she's ranking James Bond film outfits and claiming it officially makes her a Bond Girl, because that's what reporters actually care about doing. And advocates of death acceptance.
No. 1365516
>>1365514ntayrt i am a white chinese. 3rd generation but still a fuckin white person. & even i don't want louise at my graveyard pizza party because she's dumb. she can stand in the corner until she proves she can count to ten in canto like
>>1365508 says
No. 1365518
>>1365516I hate how their bullshit takes away from the death acceptance they're claiming to be advocating and pushing for. I get that some families might have an aversion to talking about death and not having certain conversations could ill-prepare a person later in life (I still didn't fully understand it even when my pets died), but they make it so much about how yt peepo baddd, like as if there aren't people of other ethnicities out there with difficult acceptance of death or an aversion to it. It also depends on where you live because as we've seen Mexico is Catholic, but they have Day of the Dead, but up here I don't see that kind of celebration with white catholics and some even regard trying to talk to your deceased loved ones as a no-no.
Its okay for them to talk about these differences and distinctions and to present them, but they never actually do? Caroline is screaming about abortions and the Holocaust and her boobs, Louise is sobbing for the loss of her shitty jezebel little sister site while eating mushrooms or something, and Sarah apparently thinks Mexico is sugar skulls all year round yet puts L.A. before the people and culture she claims to be sooooo connected with.
This shit is a weird and stupid grift and I hope people stop donating to any of them.
No. 1365553
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>>1363266Found her FB. Yet another cat lady like
>>1363264 Also bad hair and filtered to shit gorda.
https://ne-np.facebook.com/erickadawn.cameron.7She shows up here as a Project Assistant in 2018. Its also her alma mater.
https://openpayrolls.com/university-college/wichita-state-university/page-103She's got a sociology degree as mentioned in
>>1363270but no actual funeral home or mortuary work. She was a teaching assistant in the past, but most of her past work experience has been serving as a program coordinator at multiple different places of employment. She's also only been working for the Order for 7 months.
No. 1365561
>>1365476So she grew up with a healthy attitude to death because of her Mexican heritage and growing up on film sets but she also grew up with a negative attitude to death and that’s why when her baby died she needed the day of the dead parade to help her heal from it
Jesus Christ sarah pick a lane! And a nationality, is she says she’s Japanese too? She looks like a standard white girl with brown box dye and fake tan.
Your not brown Sarah.
I remember ages ago watching a programme about an Irish (I believe priest) who went to either thailand or the Philippines to work with children and try and stop them being sold into sex trafficking. He got fluent in the native language, to the point he had even lost his Irish accent in places when speaking English, and clearly cared so deeply about the people he was trying to help. He was clearly well versed in the struggles of the local people, the laws of the country and the issues they were facing. He was obviously also deeply respected by the local people. He never appeared to have any delusions that about his race, who he is or where he’s from, he just cared so passionately about the issue he dedicated his life to the cause. No fuss, no huge Twitter bio, just out there helping.
If I can find the documentary I’ll post it, it was hard to watch but it’s the sort of direction that would earn Caitlin and her clan if dipshit wanna be ethinic people far more respect but also far less fame.
No. 1365651
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The Order of the Good Death staff are something, but the founders are also worth taking a gawk at.
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/founding-members/Aside from a couplke forensic experts, it's all uwu quirky types with job titles like International Corpse Explorer, Morbid Cake Maker or Eco-Death Revolutionary.
Most of them seem the Caitlin type,edgy alt wannabes who're just in it for the aesthetic.
No. 1365670
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>>1365651Some more. so quirky uwu
No. 1365701
>>1362796>>1362798Hold up, also this guy also the same one here?
>>1365670 That Colin dude.
So, Caitlin has dated two Order members? Landis and Colin.
No. 1365770
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>>1365670sarah wambold is the "nice lady from texas" and she seems to do the respecful-of-families type work caitlin claims to care about
she wrote this:
https://www.texasobserver.org/celebrating-childhoods-end-at-eloise-woods/and here is how her website looks
1/4
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>>13657702/4
note the difference in tone from caitlin
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>>13657723/4
she is ok with embalming and traditional funerals
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>>13657744/4
idk maybe i'm wrong but she doesn't seem "yay new deathlings" about these kids. i just remembered reading her bio years ago and thinking she didn't suck
No. 1365829
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>>1365503That woman was just asking out of concern for the girl, not because she was some kind of pro-lifer
No. 1365838
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>>1365651Landis' photo is creepy. He looks like a murderer.
Annabel, the Morbid Cake Maker, is a Hannibal fangirl:
https://twitter.com/kitchenconjurer No. 1365870
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>>1365844He had something coming alright.
No. 1365937
>>1365670>>1365651StaffCaitlin Doughty - Founder/Advocacy Director (Funeral Director)
Sarah Chavez - Executive Director (Writer)
Louise Hung - Producer & Writer (Writer)
Ericka Cameron - Program & Development Coordinator (Academic)
Caroline Reilly - Social Media Content Contributor (Writer)
FoundersStephanie Smith - Web Design (Artist)
Landis Blair - Artist + Editor (Artist)
Katrina Spade - Eco-Death Revolutionary (Researcher)
Pia Interlandi - Grave Garment Designer (Artist)
Jae Rhim Lee - Mushroom Decomposer (Researcher)
Paul Koudounaris - International Corpse Explorer (Artist)
Vanessa Ruiz - Street Anatomist (Artist)
Bess Lovejoy - Writer, Editor (Writer)
Sarah Wambold - Conservation Burial Pioneer (Funeral Director)
Jeff Jorgenson - Green Mortuary Owner (Manager)
Judy Melinek - Forensic Pathologist (Forensic Expert)
Elizabeth Harper - Chronicler of Dead Saints (Academic)
Megan Rosenbloom - Death Salon Director (Manager)
John Troyer - Director, Center for Death + Society (Researcher)
Nancy Caciola - Professor, Medieval Death (Academic)
Ariel Hart - Animator (Artist)
Joanna Ebenstein - Founder, Morbid Anatomy (Academic)
Chanel Reynolds - End-of-Life Activist (Writer)
Greg Lundgren - Architectural Monument Designer (Artist)
Tanya Marsh - Funeral + Cemetery Law Expert (Funeral Director)
Kelly Christian - Postmortem Photography Researcher (Researcher)
Cassandra Yonder - Death Midwife (Other)
Barbara Chung - Smell of Death Research (Researcher)
Colin Dickey - Author of the Macabre (Writer)
Melissa Cooper - Forensic Artist (Forensic Expert)
Nora Menkin - Co-Op + Nonprofit Funeral Homes (Manager)
Angela Kirkpatrick - Post-Mortem Jewelry Designer (Artist)
Jim Doran - Diorama Maker (Artist)
Rachel James - Writer, Editor (Writer)
John Carbone - Forensic Psychiatrist (Forensic Expert)
Sarah Fornace - Dark Puppetry (Artist)
Annabel de Vetten - Morbid Cake Maker (Artist)
To summarize:11 Artists
9 Academics/Researchers
7 Writers
3 Managers
3 Funeral Directors
3 Forensic Expert
1 Other
No. 1366012
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>>1362941Very late reply, but if you're still here anon, I'm 100% with you. I don't think Doughy went to Auschwitz-Birkenau at all, but pretends she did. I'm going to kek into the orbit if she believes the nazis buried the prisoners in a graveyard. My best guess is that fatty was too lazy to do the 4-hour walk that's required to see everything at Auschwitz, so she went to one of many (post-war) memorial sites there and called it a day. Nobody who has seen picrel irl would even remember some patch of woods and call it a "beautiful summer camp". Altough you never know with this autist. She's incapable of being somber for 5 minutes and NEEDS to inject something uwu positive~ about death at every turn.
No. 1366014
>>1364288>>1363782Long time lurker here but seeing these comments I had to say something. As a goth and a fan of Razed in Black I knew of this BDSM/Goth scene in Hawaii.
As a once 'deathling' and having watched Ask a Mortician for years I am more shocked to find that Caitlin frequented this club esp underage..
Anything for those edge points though I guess!
Great thread and like others who noticed something off am glad to have found it!
Saged for non-milk
No. 1366028
>>1366019Or is it easy to get fake ids? Caitlin was born in 1984 fyi. She was on her teens on the late 90s/early 2000s.
>>1366014Anon, I have so many questions. I hope you don't mind, but how do people treat or view death in Hawaii? Also, someone upthread mentioned how Caitlin might not have been liked by the natives. What do you think?
No. 1366040
>>1365535Not a burger but white as they come kiwi.
I would say it was similar for me, pets are the first exposure to death as we had many while I was a small child…
In my case though I found my grandma dead at 8 years old..
No-one explained or talked me through what I saw, I guess it was seen as I had seen pets die there was no discussion needed to be had?
That moment of finding her stuck with me and haunted me for a long time though.
Sorry for the probably not relevant sperging
No. 1366052
>>1366019Sorry
nonny, can't say as I only knew of the scene there as a goth and RiB fan.
Am originally from NZ so can't speak for Hawaii but I used to get into strip clubs/massage parlours at 16yo with my then 25yo bf..
So I wouldn't doubt that Caitlin could have managed that.
Partaking in any BDSM underage though.. I am pretty openminded myself but that is super dodgy and definitely not something she should be openly bragging about…
No. 1366053
>>1366004>>1365492More about Louise:
https://medium.com/the-lonely-bones/why-the-lonely-bones-6b7d45dee7b1>I am Chinese American. For as long as I can remember I have been Chinese American. I was born in Hong Kong and came to the US as a child. And while a piece of yearns for Hong Kong — feels like my molecules are embedded in its dirt, its streets, its muggy, pungent air — I am an American. For better or worse, America is my home.>But there’s no question of my Americanness. Despite my Chinese face, I read to (mostly) everyone as American. Even in my beloved Hong Kong, I’m American before I even open my mouth and Apple Pie Accented Cantonese comes tumbling out.>In 2020, contrary to what some dorks say, skin color and birthplace are not indicative of citizenship in the US. But this wasn’t always the case for people who looked like me. For Chinese people (and Japanese people, and Flipinx people, and South Asian people and…) No. 1366061
samefag, NZ anon from above, just to add I am the same age as Caitlin.
>>1366059I looked younger than 16 even, not to say she didn't look older..
I think back then underage people in adult spaces, to a degree bouncers/responsible adults just looked the other way
No. 1366204
>>1365098>who to this day identifies not as Mexican, but as ‘American Indian’If you want to go full woke, doesn't that make sense? Mexico is just another colonial nation that was created whilst completely ignoring the whims of the native people who already lived there.
There are existing indigenous separatists in Mexico right now who want to be considered "Indian" and not Mexican.
No. 1366217
>>1366204That makes no sence though? I thought Mexico was named by the native people (might have been more Mexico City than the whole country) and Spain tried to establish it as New Spain but it never took off.
And I thought native Americans were referred to as Indians because Christopher Colombus was a dizzy twat who thought he’d landed in India and didn’t realise he was in the americas?
>>1366196Omg when I saw that I was like… do I comment or just laugh, Jesus Christ the desperation to shoehorn anything and everything into perfect bite size pieces of white heroism is something else
No. 1366274
>>1366217To get off-topic, Mexico is named after the Mexica who were just one of the peoples that made up the Aztec empire. The dudes who conquered them decided to name the entire region after them, even though they're a small part of what is considered modern day Mexico. New Spain was the name for the collection of Spain's New World colonies the same way Jamaica and Canada were both part of the British Empire but recognised as separate entities.
If you're an ethnic Mayan in Yucatan, you have nothing to do with the Mexica people but still get lumped in with them because some Spaniards 500 years ago couldn't be bothered to learn the difference.
No. 1366281
>>1366274Thanks for the info Anon!
I think it’s still relevant, because it’s obviously a complex part of history that people like Sarah water down to suit themselves
No. 1366674
>>1360256Caitlin's business partner in Undertaking LA is Amber Carvaly. She currently has a website where she creates vegan recipes and talks about the relationship between food and death. Most of the information I found about her are from the period when she used to work with Caitlin, including an appearance she made in Keeping Up With The Kardashians. Her website says that she is still a licensed funeral director, but she made a tweet on June about how difficult it is to find a job as an assistant in LA (
https://twitter.com/AmberCarvaly/status/1401685911742554112). She also says that she was waiting tables when her episode with Kim Karadashian aired (
https://twitter.com/AmberCarvaly/status/1378426681543692289). She taught a workshop early this year about how to host funerals through Zoom (
https://www.poetic-endings.com/events/zoom-funerals-sos-with-amber-carvaly-and-christina-andreola). All the money raised from this workshop went towards charities.
Caitlin and Amber don't follow each other on any social media platforms, although Amber still follows Louise and retweets her articles.
Twitter:
https://twitter.com/AmberCarvalyInstagram:
https://www.instagram.com/morticianinthekitchenWebsite:
https://www.morticianinthekitchen.com No. 1366676
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>>1366674Amber talks about needing an improv class (
https://twitter.com/AmberCarvaly/status/1403181652818288640) and using her time working with a YouTube influencer as material for the stage.
No. 1366839
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>>1365499I took a look at her Instagram and she wasn't kidding. It's a weird combination of sexual selfies/nudes and screenshots of her recently published articles.
https://www.caroline-reilly.com/>Caroline is a writer and reproductive rights advocate. She writes about gender politics, medical misogyny, men’s fashion, sex, and more. When she isn’t working she can be found watching British procedurals and parenting her neurotic Italian Greyhound, Rocko. No. 1366845
>>1366839This article explains the nudes:
https://www.insidehook.com/article/sex-and-dating/why-women-send-nudes
>Sometimes I wonder how it ended up like this, how I became the person that writes about nudes, who posed nude for a national magazine and who occasionally even tweets out naked pictures of herself. >The first time I sent a nude I was in college, casually sexting the guy who sat behind me in my broadcast journalism class. He was 6’4, had a massive dick and would go on to stalk me for some time after our highly dramatized separation, which is not entirely relevant, but feels odd to omit. >My next experience with nudes was with an older guy I met through work, and when I say met through work, I mean I was a college intern and he was on staff and in retrospect, yes, I do see the exploitive nature of that. Roughly 10 years his junior, I was rapt by the idea that this older professional man wanted me. >A handful or so men later, I started law school and was diagnosed with endometriosis — a chronic reproductive health condition — in the same year. My sex life crumbled, along with my sanity and any semblance of self-love I had developed at that point. >When I got sick, though, my body changed, and with it my ability to see myself as desirable. Oddly enough, this is when my relationship with nudes became formative. I started sexting men near and far as a way to reclaim my sexuality. Hearing that I was hot and that I turned someone on filled a space in my consciousness that was being drained by my physical health, and whether these external affirmations were a healthy vessel for that validation is really beside the point, because it felt good and that was at all that mattered. It was also the first time I was in control of why I was sending nudes. Sure, they existed to get someone else off, but more and more I started enjoying the process of taking them — the ritual of picking out lingerie and finding the right angles and of admiring them after, of seeing my own body in a way that was detached from how it felt: good. >The question of who my nudes are for has also evolved. Some days I’ll send them to someone and others I’ll post them to Instagram or twitter. Sometimes these will be the same, sometimes they’ll be different. I have things I send to people privately that I would never share publicly — videos and photos of parts of my body that I like to keep in a private erotic context. But whoever they’re being shared with, and wherever they are shared, they’re always first and foremost for me. No. 1366849
>>1366847samefag
>“OK. You didn’t put water in those cups did you?” I did. “You need to put wine or tea in them. Something special. You must show respect. Especially to Gong Gong.” Oops.>“Do you have Hell money lying around in your house?” I do. I like it. I wanted to do something arty with it. “Don’t do that. Get rid of it. Ghosts will come looking for money in your house. Don’t invite more ghosts in than necessary!” My mom is sure that my “coffin-shaped” bedroom is some sort of beacon for the dead. So far the walls haven’t bled. Yet.holy shit all of this is so bad louise you gotta shut up
No. 1366851
>>1366839Once again, how professional. Okay whatever your body your choice get your tits out for the gram, but don’t expect fundamentalist right wing Pearl clutchers who don’t understand abortion rights to take you seriously when your stripping off every five mins. It just reinforces to those people that abortion is some kinda twisted birth control and not a necessary medical procedure, as a biproduct your sexualising it, which is what they think.
>>1366692I’m not chinese or a burger and I can feel the disrespect radiating from that. Jesus Christ, it’s one thing not to believe in some thing but another thing entirely to act so disrespectfully. Their cultures only suit them when it’s convenient!
She harps on and on about chinese people not taking her seriously as also being chinese and then does the very disrespectful things that make people think that in the first place!
No. 1366873
>>1366863Stan culture all over, don’t do anything beyond surface level enjoyment of something and then defend it with your life. I bet loads of them have bought her book and never actually read it (or if they do really buy into the uwu spooky gallows humour thing).
I can’t remember if it was posted up thread (if it wasn’t I’ll go and find the extract) but the thing that haunted me in her book when talking about dead babies was how she chucked them, threw them, into the crematory machine. She claimed it was standard practice but am I the only one who finds that hard to believe? Surely they’d have some kinda long stick shovel type thing to place them in the machine. I know they’re dead already but just… chucking someone’s dead baby into a crematory machine before incinerating them just sounds beyond evil
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>>1360809Caitlin's interview with the Chicago Tribune. She says that the only reason she went to Mortuary School was so that people would take her activism seriously.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/evanston/ct-evr-caitlin-doughty-interview-tl-1102-20171025-story.html No. 1366879
>>1366875I still don’t believe it was pure activism. She’s so desperate for the fame, was in talks early in her career for TV shows etc.
I think she was bored when she was at the crematory and as her mind wondered she envisioned herself on TV, like a makeup beauty guru applying blusher, telling the world how she puts the corpses in the machine and burr burr now they’re ashes. It fed right into her egotistical NLOG attitude
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>>1366671>>1366012I went back through Instagram to that photo to confirm, I won’t post all of the pictures from her time in Eastern Europe (because most are not note worthy) but I can confirm where exactly she was by her comments and geotags. I’ll attach a couple but yeah, she went to Poland and Eastern Europe.
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So to confirm, I believe she actually did go to Poland, to actual Auschwitz-Birkenau, and referred to it as a beautiful summer camp.
No. 1366921
>>1366910Her obsession with taking photos of random strangers (and children) is fucking weird and predatory.
>>1366913>unmaintained, as they should be!1!Uh, no. Its actually very upsetting when this happens. I live a half an hour from a roadside cemetery which had its last burial in the 60s and its barely maintained and sinking into the earth, because besides an atlasobscura page its basically forgotten.
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To confirm incase she finds this thread and deletes them. I got all of these pictures from her Instagram 11/11/21 and they were taken on or around July-August 2013
No. 1366928
>>1366839>>1366845Pickme levels: Off the charts. Admits she's been "casually sexting" and sending nudes to men her entire adult life - classmates, older coworkers, random men "near and far," now on social media - because she's admittedly low self-esteem and desperate for validation, yet tries to spin it as "but really, I do it for MEEE." No girl, you do it because you're a narcissist papering over your self-loathing with male attention. Her Twitter is actually sad, the ultimate libfem dream of self-exploitation for the male gaze while claiming to be empowered, rampant consumerism of luxury fashion and makeup, with wannabe bad bitch commentary and libfem politics. When you're so sassy and empowered, you're a handmaiden to billion dollar corporations and every random scrote you cater to, yasss kuween, #girlboss!!1!
No. 1366929
>>1366921Well yes and as that’s an abandoned Jewish cemetery in Krakow I wonder if it crossed her mind that it wasn’t upkept because the families of those people were murdered in the gas chambers and their lineage was cut off so there’s no one to go and tend to their graves
But of course Caitlin, uwu spoopy and goff!
No. 1366931
>>1366916>>1366926>>1366913Fuck, that's even worse. I know she came only to marvel at a place that produced so many corpses (it's like a chocolate factory for her), so quirky!
There is no justification for that cunt calling Auschwitz a summer camp and basically the opposite of brutalist. God, she makes me wanna low-key alog but I will stop at that.
No. 1366938
>>1366931She’s not worth an a-log or cow tip. Some bottom feeder you tuber will find this thread at some point and make a video calling her out with all our receipts and no credit. You know they love to scour lol cow for their content and pass it off as their own.
Things like her nudist writer at the good death won’t interest her stans much (which it should, it shows how they’re more interested in male validation than anything, and any good points they make are overshadowed by their unprofessionalism. Plus your not going to convert most of your potential clientele to your idea of a radical funeral getting your tits out for the lads. But Twitter stans don’t want to hear that). But her throwing baby corpses into the crematory machine, her five before five rule, the way she writes about the dead “like a pig in lipstick”, deliberately dragging down women in the industry she’s threatened by and calling auschwitz a beautiful summer camp should turn some people away from her
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>>1366845So she admits she was sexting her 10 years older coworker, he didn't even ask but "suggested" he wanted to see her body, she responded with "reams of masturbatory material," and he barely responded. Yet she considers herself "exploited" in this "painfully one-sided" situation. Ok, he definitely shouldn't have been sexting an intern, but it sure sounds like Caroline weren't coerced into anything. In fact, it seems like she scared him off with her weird urge to spam any male that shows a passing interest with dozens of nudes. Something tells me she took no lesson from this..
No. 1366946
>>1366941>>1366939It’s because scrotes want to feel special, they want the
uwu I’ve never done this before I’m so innocent and swayed by you, act, close ups of your minge make them call you a massive slut and then they don’t want you because your “value is depleted”. She 100% scared him off
No. 1366950
>>1366938>You know they love to scour lol cow for their content and pass it off as their own. Shoutout to Ready to Glare who always tried to hide it and then lied about it when called out kek. Also you know a lot of them will defend the Lena Dunham lookalike for posting her asshole on twitter as empowerment or something. Her stans are fucked in the head.
>>1366941She scared him off because she's batshit and desperate. If I didn't know any better I'd think I was reading Shay's thread.
>>1366947Morbid Cake Decorator, anon. Don't you see? The industry NEEDS them!
No. 1366964
>>1366845Personality disordered white girls like her always have main character syndrome. They believe the world is desperate to see their saggy tits and hear about their slut phase that literally every middle class Amerifat woman has in college. I was hoping this obnoxious xoJane style of confessional writing would die in the 2010s, but Caitlin's little clique of clowns seems determined to revive it.
>>1366939This annoyed me more than anything else. As an intern, I remember myself and other young women struggling to be seen as professionals and not sexualized by older male staff members. Imagine being stuck working with this pickme loser who sends the predatory scrotes "reams of masturbatory material" for no reason. So gross. Even Shayna has higher self-worth, at least she charges them $3.
>>1366849Omg I feel so bad for Louise's mom. Louise is taking her "dumb crystal hoarding white girl" LARP too far.
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>>1366931Your post reminded me of this tweet.
No. 1366969
>>1366964Its a sad day when Shayna Clifford is doing better than a college graduated uwu caweerwomyn.
>>1366966Genuinely surprised the birdy app didn't claw her eyes out for this, but I forgot that goffick aesthitik and edgy is super important to people over there. Gotta make people think they're downtrodden, misunderstood underdogs of society because they fished tripp pants from the goodwill and wanna larp a time period they weren't even alive for.
No. 1366978
>>1366966Wow Caitlin really has no respect for anything huh. Teehee, just a little joke about Holocaust Remembrance Day for my deathlings! She couldn't resist making it extra quirky with her oldtimey talk: "Ahh the Holocaust - the worst that humanity hath wrought." Is that supposed to be cute? I can hear her saying it in a video intro with her wannabe Maggie Smith voice and smug "aren't I the most?!" smile
>>1366964>Imagine being stuck working with this pickme loser who sends predatory scrotes "reams of masturbatory material" for no reasonThis. Caroline acting like she sends nudes for the feminism and ~body pothitivity~ of it all but actually throws all women under the bus, bc now our boss thinks we're all sluts and punishes us if we don't play the sex for career advancement game. This whole little scene is such a mess lmao
No. 1366994
>>1366984Or they'll follow it up with a passive aggressive: "its soooo telling when women don't support othr women uwu insert painted nails emoji here" and the comments will be filled with "DON'T LISTEN TO THEM UR A QWEEN YESS", "who do i have to fuck up?? i'll bring my insert ethnic pandering object and we'll roll up on dem!"
These people and their enablers are so fucking predictable and they should be ashamed that they can be mimicked verbatim.
No. 1366995
Sigh. Another article about nudes written by Caroline:
https://greatist.com/live/nudes-acceptance-pandemic
>Even I, a seasoned nudes enthusiast, have upped the ante on my sexting game while stuck at home. But as someone who has always been pro-nude, I find it a little disorienting to watch this activity — long mired in slut-shaming and stigma — be so openly and suddenly embraced.>Nudes helped me reclaim my sexuality after my endometriosis diagnosis. Taking and sharing them allows me to enjoy my sex life during a pain flare, when my body dictates limitations that might make IRL sex less preferable. I love sending and receiving nude photos and videos, having video sex, sending dirty voice memos… you name it. And like so many of us, I enjoyed doing all that long before stay-at-home orders came down like a guillotine on our sex lives.>When I posed nude for the spring 2020 “Sick” issue of Bitch magazine, I was excited more than anything else. The photos would accompany an essay (https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/orgasms-prioritize-pleasure-amid-pain) I wrote about how being sexual helps me through the trauma of endometriosis. But I would be lying if I said there wasn’t a part of me, deep down, that was nervous about what future employers or even partners might think.>Despite being relatively comfortable in my skin (no pun intended), I still turn to my friends to validate the decisions I’m making about what I send. And despite my pro-nude stance, I still experienced some nervousness about posing nude for a magazine. I’m afraid that one day the nudes I’ve enthusiastically and proudly shared with others might fall into the wrong hands and be used to delegitimize my work or defame my character. We still live in a world where this is a possibility.>Maybe this moment will mitigate the harms of cyber exploitation, the power of which is, of course, rooted in the idea that there’s something shameful about sharing your body with someone else through photos or videos. Maybe it will finally shift the blame onto the sexual predator who nonconsensually shares nudes, as opposed to the person sending them. And maybe — just maybe — society will stop losing its mind every time a person takes a photograph of their own body. Anyway, I’m off to send a man a video of me stripping. No. 1367000
>>1366995>Why don't we shame the nasty men who share women's nudes without consent? uwu I'm a victimGirl,
we do. But there's no moid to shame here, since you're the one giving out your naked body to strangers for no cost other than male validation. There's no misconception here, you literally are just a pickme thot.
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>>1366995>spending entire paychecks on lingerie>giving backseat blowjobs on first dates - not bc you want to, but "to distract myself from pain">spamming your latest nudes to multiple men at a time>sexting multiple men just to hear them say you're pretty and braveUhh this Bitch essay is literally the most pathetic thing I've ever heard. Her daddy and self-esteem issues are visible from space, and this doesn't sound like a feminist essay, it sounds like someone's testimony of how hellish and lowdown their life was before they stopped using drugs, found Christ, started going to SLAA meetings - take your pick. She should probably do all 3.
I'd have more sympathy for her if she weren't actively out here promoting that other women exploit themselves too. Fuck Bitch for publishing this drivel, I remember when Bitch used to call out all this "empowered slut" fake feminist bullshit
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Caroline does not strike me as fulfilled, or someone who's having fun with her sexuality. The way she describes it sounds compulsive, like it arises out of unhappiness and pain, and like she's anxious about the ways it's affecting her life and image, but would rather cope and rationalize than stop. Her behavior and thinking are familiar to any addict.
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>>1365937>Vanessa Ruiz - Street Anatomist (Artist)https://streetanatomy.com/abouthttps://www.ted.com/speakers/vanessa_ruizhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/streetanatomyhttps://twitter.com/streetanatomy?lang=enA lot of Order members have, of course, had their own TEDtalks. But, they're totally and 100% certified funeral directors/embalmers and totes here for changing the industry, not to get famous and rich.
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>>1366674>difficult to find a job as an assistant in LAIt's not THAT hard and the larger places like Forest Lawn almost always have apprenticeship opportunities available. Regardless she essentially wasted her time and money going to mortuary school by cancelling her apprenticeship.
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>>1365937>Chanel Reynolds - End-of-Life Activist (Writer)
>Chanel Reynolds is the founder of internationally-praised GetYourShitTogether.org, author of What Matters Most: The Get Your Sh*t Together Guide to Wills, Money, Insurance, and Life’s “What-ifs”, and co-founder of GYST.com. After her husband was killed in an accident and she became a widowed, solo-parent overnight, she learned that taking care of a few, simple things like basic estate, emergency, financial, and end-of-life planning in advance can make a hard time a little softer. Her mission is to remove as much ‘optional’ suffering from life’s hardest moments by talking about what matters today – it’s easier than you think!https://getyourshittogether.org/https://www.seattlemag.com/article/death-and-taxes-chanel-reynolds-end-life-planning-websitehttps://twitter.com/chanelgysthttps://www.instagram.com/chanel_gyst/https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/12/your-money/estate-planning/shell-tell-you-its-time-to-think-ahead.htmlhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/get-your-shit-together-guidebook-life-death-planning-made-easy#/What a pathetic follower count. I guess people aren't fond of being told by yet another Cait clone to just shut up and get their shit together when their life falls apart.
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>>1365937>John Carbone - Forensic Psychiatrist (Forensic Expert)https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-carbone-md-jd-fclm-a240b55http://alienistscompendium.com/He's a bit more difficult to find anything on, but his website is cringe for how he refers to himself.
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>>1365937>Bess Lovejoy - Writer, Editor (Writer)
>Bess Lovejoy is a writer and editor who lives in Brooklyn. She is the author of Rest in Pieces: The Curious Fates of Famous Corpses (Simon & Schuster, 2013), which has been translated into multiple languages. Her work has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Time, The Believer, Lapham’s Quarterly, The Boston Globe, The Public Domain Review, Atlas Obscura and elsewhere. She is currently an editor at Mental Floss, and previously an editor for Smithsonian.com and Schott’s Almanac. She is a member of The Order of the Good Death and Death Salon.https://www.linkedin.com/in/besslovejoyhttps://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Bess-Lovejoy/84313744https://believermag.com/contributor/bess-lovejoy/https://besslovejoy.wordpress.com/https://daily.jstor.org/daily-author/bess-lovejoy/https://twitter.com/besslovejoyhttps://www.goodreads.com/author/show/6459614.Bess_Lovejoy No. 1367080
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>>1365937>Cassandra Yonder - Death Midwife (Other)https://blog.sevenponds.com/professional-advice/what-is-death-midwifery-an-interview-with-cassandra-yonderhttps://www.eoluniversity.com/apps/blog/show/41958222-grief-and-death-in-the-natural-world-with-cassandra-yonderhttps://deathcafe.com/profile/1386/https://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/cassandra-yonder/Profile?oid=3941661https://www.talkdeath.com/home-deathcare-alternative-funerals/
>Cassandra Yonder earned a BA in gerontology and sociology along with a Master’s degree in Architecture. She also studied grief and bereavement at the University of Western Ontario’s thanatology department and became certified as an animal assisted therapist, hypnotherapist and lay horse trainer.
>Recognizing the therapeutic potential of the homesteading lifestyle, Cassandra and her partner moved to Cape Breton, Nova Scotia in 2006 where she intended to seek work as a rural bereavement coordinator while establishing a retreat for grieving families. The unexpected death and resultant home funeral of a close friend and neighbour precipitated a deepening of her consciousness in the field of dying and deathcare, and as a result she became certified as a home funeral guide in 2009.
>Cassandra currently maintains a private practice in death midwifery through which she offers education, home funeral guidance and bereavement support. She speaks publicly about various aspects of alternative deathcare and the potential value of community centered responses to end of life and post death care.
>She has been the chair of the Victoria County Hospice Society, secretary of her local Community Health Board, a member of the Grief Nova Scotia working group and a board member of the National Home Funeral Alliance. She is also part of a core group to found a Canadian Community of Practice for Death Midwifery.
>Cassandra lives with her partner, 3 children and livestock (including horses, goats, rabbits, chickens, pigs, ducks, cats and dogs) in the forested highlands of Cape Breton at North River, just off the Cabot Trail in Nova Scotia, Canada where they are developing a self sufficient homestead using timber framing and cordwood building techniques. In this lifestyle, Cassandra is truly “walking her talk” as she deals with life and death in the natural world on a daily basis. No. 1367154
>>1367109See
>>1360951You're on /snow/, not /pt/.
No. 1367162
>>1367149Agree with you, these are the direct people Caitlin surrounds herself with, their involvement is important. If you don’t want to be called into question don’t align yourself with questionable people.
I know I’ve said this before but, where are the palliative care nurses? The hospice workers? End of life care team? I know it’s the states and people are going to fight death to the end and it’s not the same as everywhere else but those people must still exist in American healthcare and they have long established important roles for a reason and I find it suspicious that she has so many artists, writers and clingers on, but no one that works with the dying. I know it’s reforming the funeral industry but
surely you’d want well respected doctors, nurses and researchers on your side
Also aside from her own home are there any affiliated homes with the good death? I’m struggling to understand it’s purpose other some vauge waving of activism
No. 1367168
>>1367162>>1367164Its like anonette didn't read the thread title or suddenly wanted pity for
>>1367070 because her husband died. That sucks, but Chanel is still a part of Cait's delusional fucking "movement" and how well her method is working is telling by the lack of followers (a shallow metric, but one we can see nonetheless) and the shitty tone which she's approaching the grieving with (Aw someone died? GET YER SHIT TOGETHER AND ATTEND MY WORKSHOPS). Her website intro reads like a scummy car salesman, the cope to justify why anybody needs her "services" is strong and she's got that martyr complex for being a single mom. He died, Chanel, he didn't knock you up and leave you. You can get off your high horse. A part of me feels bad for how callous and hypocritical this sounds, but she just comes off like an asshole with her cope + grift. Her "job title" also isn't special, there are attorneys and other people who specialize in helping with monetary affairs after someone dies and figuring out wills, assets, etc. She has no license or experience with law or managing the finances of others, she's an author, but she's masquerading as some unicorn for the industry.
>>1367080 did the same thing by calling herself a 'death midwife' instead of just a grief counselor, because the latter isn't speshul n' spoopy uwu and exciting enough. Both people willingly inserted themselves into Caitlin's retarded movement and should be called out.
As for other funeral homes, I don't actually know. It says
>>1365937 that there's at least one cemetery law expert, one manager chick for nonprofit funeral homes, and Jeff is listed as a 'green mortuary owner' because he's running Clarity with Caitlin.
So, probably not?
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If these people are milky then post milk, not a laundry list of their rather innocuous-looking social media and LinkedIns. As it stands, there's no proof most of these "calves" display:
-a documented history of bizarre behavior online (just being spoopy or involved in the death industry is not "bizarre" imo)
-an unhealthy desire for attention (it's 2021, having social media =/= attention whoring and half these ppl barely post or have followers)
-failure to accept criticism, no willingness to improve behavior (most of them aren't high profile enough to have ever even been criticized or called out before, including here bc…there's no milk posted on them yet)
-a lack of self-awareness or delusions related to their importance
Caitlin, Caroline, Sarah, Louise and mayybe a couple other ppl here are milky as fuck and fulfill the above criteria. So far everyone else is a rando and it feels like borderline harassment to post ppl with no followers and no antics just bc they're tangentially related to Caitlin. If you can't find milk on them, they really don't belong here. This place is for delusional attention whores, not every rando in the death industry.
No. 1367188
>>1367179I have no interest in defending the "calves" itt but I guess you could say I'm lying about that and I'm secretly a spoopy cupcake baker who somehow found this thread already. I'm more coming from a place of - damn, if all it takes to be the subject of a lolcow thread is a couple social media feeds and a tangential professional connection to an asshole, then we should all probably be subjects of a lolcow thread!
>You can ignore posts you don't like.This is irrelevant bc it's not about me not liking it and wahhh cater the thread to meee, I'm literally asking "hey is it right to post these random non-milky people in here, or should we focus on the ones actively doing bullshit."
I've said my piece on it and guess y'all disagree tho so lol at least I tried.
No. 1367190
>>1367173Can you not fucking read, anon? They get posted with links containing information about them because one of the major things here is that for an organization so dedicated to death positivity and funeral industry "reform", almost none of them have any formal experience or training with handling the deceased or dying. Almost none of them have any experience as nurses, doctors, or working in funeral homes save for like three people and one chick who knows cemetery law.
People have already said it upthread: Why should anyone be expected to listen to these people when the majority of them are art majors and writers?
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I almost but my tongue and thought this lady might be at least light skinned but erm, a quick look through her Instagram leaves me believing that any black she may or may not have in her is most likely, like the others, used for woke points. Hard to tell as she tweets and deletes so her whole Twitter is empty.
Aside from a few Asian (I’m guessing chinese friends of louises) as I said before, no one darker than the shade of the lightest fake tan is a part of the order and this is a woke white people (with a few mixed and a handful of confused token Asians) club.
No wonder she only funded the scholarship for a month.
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No. 1367235
>>1367227Oh damn my apologies mate I didn’t even recognise her I thought it was someone else!
I’ll leave the messages anyway just incase someone is as retarded as me and makes the same mistake
No. 1367301
>>1363264She looks like that edgy columbiner girl in canada who got arrested for that failed valentine's day massacre
>>1367190Almost none of them have any experience as nurses, doctors, or working in funeral homes save for like three people and one chick who knows cemetery law.
People have already said it upthread: Why should anyone be expected to listen to these people when the majority of them are art majors and writers?
Because actually studying the hard shit like forensics or funeral sciences takes effort and hard work. These people are just want to look cool being associated with death
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>>1366674>>1367063I found some interesting tweets from Amber where she describes what happened to Undertaking LA as "shady AF" and getting away from the funerary business because she was burned out. Considering
>>1366676, picrelated and all the reviews where it appears that she was doing all the work, it makes sense why Amber is resentful towards Caitlin.
No. 1367570
>>1367018Publishing this essay was such a mistake. She basically announced to everyone that she will send free nudes to any man who would tell her that she is brave. I feel sad for her. I wish she would go to therapy and do some introspection.
>>1367059Death Salons have been discontinued. The last one was on 2018:
https://deathsalon.org/meetings/death-salon-boston-2018/ No. 1367581
>>1367078She looks
very different on video.
No. 1367597
>>1367547This makes me feel confirmed that Caitlin's entire identity is a lie. Amber seems like the one who actually has a stick up her ass about embalming while Caitlin regurgitates shit she likely heard from Amber, but isn't licensed and clearly doesn't believe in it that deeply if she didn't stick with her "convictions" and sold to Jeff. Cait saw dollar signs and throwing another woman under the bus, even her own business partner, was acceptable.
>>1367581Ew, she's like a greasier Caitlin.
No. 1367607
>>1367547And I thought Caitlin was all about those hard death positive conversations…
The way that’s worded sounds like the part of the company was sold and it was decided for amber that she wouldn’t continue working with them. And with all that patreon, YouTube and bestselling book money it sounds like she wasn’t getting paid very well having to work more than one job.
The idea of this death positive movement, anti embalming etc thing has obviously floated among a few of these women for a while, Caitlin has combed through them and like the uwu spooky vampire she is, bled each of them dry for their ideas and then stepped over their bodies. I won’t doubt that she always had some idea for what she wanted from her business when she started - she had to so she’d know what to look for, but it feels like she’s gone through cherry picking people to boost herself up and then tossing them to one side when their use ran out
Jesus Christ I’d embalm my own left tit to know more about that situation. I hope amber spills more milk over time, despite being burnt out from the job you can never underestimate people’s willingness to come forward once the gig is up and people are called out for their shitty behaviour
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>>1367607>like the uwu spooky vampire she is, bled each of them dry for their ideas and then stepped over their bodiesIt makes me wonder how things are going with Taryn, the embalmer at Clarity.
The most telling thing is that women like Lindsey
>>1364460 and Amber are sticking together. They seem to like each other and still talk on Twitter, neither of them follow Caitlin tho.
No. 1367655
>>1367648She’s good at twisting the narrative and making herself appear holier than thou.
She gets the first word in claiming that others are seeing her as competition, everyone believes her above all else.
(Sorry for my bad spelling!)
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I think its amusing that everyone's moved on to discussing Caitlin's former business partner who she unjustly fired and yet this sperg is calling others spergs over in /meta/ and trying to get people banned. The whiteknighting is evident.
No. 1367737
>>1367732Eh, if you can run to meta then so can I, no need to get enraged. A lot of these people don't belong here. Just bc they have annoying views or they affiliate with Caitlin does not make them a lolcow, there's very specific criteria for that. Some of these people are truly randos. One woman upthread is a freelance artists who makes graphics for Caitlin's videos. Do you know what work for hire is? It's wrong to harass and doxx people for doing their jobs.
Regardless, the mods will sort it out so try some deep breathing for your sputtering rage.
No. 1367745
>>1367737Its been 20 hours since anything was posted about anyone else in the order and we moved on to talking about her cofounder.
>sputtering rageSays the person who was so upset about not having the last word the night before that she's hoping to lie to jannies to get others banned.
No. 1367747
>>1367740>>1367739>>1367745Y'all take this shit way too seriously. It's not a conspiracy to shut you down or wk just bc I think you're overdoing it with the randos in this thread. Mods can see from my post history I'm not one of the cows. Hope you never end up in a lolcow thread because some low literacy person doesn't understand what a freelance worker is.
Oh, and I won't fuck off, I've been in this thread and I'll continue to be - if mods uphold that it's cool to discuss the randos then I think it's messed up but I can accept it. Once again - it's not that serious, just trying to keep lolcow as fair as a dumbass gossip board can be lmao. Love you too.
(welcome to lolcow) No. 1367765
As evidenced in the video embedded and in earlier posts, Caitlin has repeatedly spoken of how important black women are to the history of the funeral industry.
So it would beg the question, would it not, why someone so passionate about underprivileged communities and POC would offer a scholarship for mortuary school for only a month, and despite claiming it was for black students, didn’t ensure it was specified in the scholorship application that it was only available to black students?
Moreover, if black women is a subject she’s passionate about and she wants to ensure that she’s giving them a voice in a field that they, in fact, had a huge starting hand in. Why doesnt she employ any? Why arnt they part of her founding members?
I included pictures of Ariel to ask this same question. She’s actually a pretty cool artist and has a nice style but no one is interested in that on lolcow. Anyone who stumbles across her here will only see that her public posts have been posted. There is nothing here that she herself hasn’t put on the Internet publically. As with the others, they have all consented to their images being on the orders website and whats here is only what is public information.
I for one, think it’s important to keep a log of this, not to bully those people but because it shows that what Caitlin says publicly and does privately are two different things, by keeping a log of who was originally on her staff and founders is important incase later on she tries to add diversity points and claim they were there all along. She is not supporting people in communities she claims to care about. She is not doing the most and holding herself accountable. She’s a grifter and stepping on other women and profiting off marginalised people to play uwu spooky goff mom and make money off all of them.
No. 1367783
>>1367765Its apparent that Ariel, Louise, and Sarah are the tokens that Caitlin keeps around in order to look good. Like I said upthread I honestly couldn't tell that Ariel was even black until you posted the professional photo the order is using on their website.
>There is nothing here that she herself hasn’t put on the Internet publically. As with the others, they have all consented to their images being on the orders website and whats here is only what is public information.Try telling that to the autists who only just learnt to integrate yet still manage to show how fucking new they are by whining that posting interviews and public social media accounts is doxxing. Who also apparently can't read that these people are associated with Caitlin and her grift and are grifters themselves. It really is like once a week there's a new "problem" someone has with this thread: First it was that it shouldn't exist in the first place, then it was that nobody is ackshually milky, then it was 'dis info is olddd' (its not and other thread subjects have shit dug up on them from high school yet no one complains about that), and now its that we're vendettachans who doxx innocent trust fund kiddies just because we're posting the truth about their goff grift. Can't wait for the next excuse.
>it’s important to keep a log of this, not to bully those people but because it shows that what Caitlin says publicly and does privately are two different things>keeping a log of who was originally on her staff and founders is important incase later on she tries to add diversity points and claim they were there all alongI mean, yeah. That's kinda always been the point, but one bitch was off her meds.
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>>1367783I felt like I (for the… third? time in this post) had to spell out why that information was important and relevant. Jeez!
Anyway back to the cow! It gave me the full kek that she referenced herself in her “smoke gets in your eyes” book. I know you
can in academic work but it just felt so egotistical especially as the book wasn’t an academic piece but more of an autobiography
No. 1367791
>>1367787Its amusing to me that she's referencing Laderman, who isn't a pretentious shitstain like she is and hasn't ever tried to gatekeep the industry for goffy goffs uwu with a true crime obsession. And, sure, you can reference yourself in academic work but given all the context and the fact that its Caitlin.. yeah. She reminds me of wellnessmama and her crock of shit health website where she cites herself yet isn't a licensed medical professional.
>I felt like I (for the… third? time in this post) had to spell out why that information was important and relevant.Hopefully sperg-projection-bitch takes her valium and has a nap.
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>>1367787Fortnight no longer exists, but it's saved in the Wayback Machine. I thought that source on her book was a study or an academic paper written by Caitlin, but it's just a blog post…
>Fortnight is an unprecedented online documentary of the millennial generation spanning the years 2010-2012, during which time installments were published daily. Using the boundless qualities of the Internet, Fortnight featured innovators from disciplines as varied as art, science, technology, economics and policy to compose a digital portrait of the first generation—born roughly between 1978 and 1990—raised on and by the Internet.https://web.archive.org/web/20170301165044/https://fortnightjournal.com/caitlin-doughty/262-children-death.html No. 1368071
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>>1368063She also wrote a post titled
Tina Winters hates me… Caitlin using a public platform to drag another woman? Well, Tina had it coming because she said that the funerary industry is not cool and goth!
https://web.archive.org/web/20170301133458/http://fortnightjournal.com/caitlin-doughty/320-tina-winters-hates-me.html>One such funeral industry insider is Tina, who posted a lengthy comment on the Order of the Good Death. According to Tina, who is married to a funeral arranger and works in a mortuary herself, she can honestly say there is NOTHING gothic or cool about it…as many may think in their fantasies! I've been asked by people with their jet black hair/pale faces, "oh how cool working at a mortuary…I've been thinking of doing that." Um, please don't! AND there is nothing "Cool" about it.>With all due respect to Tina, there is everything "cool" about working at a mortuary.>I have worked very hard to be able to stay calm, competent and helpful in their times of despair. All of it (with the exception of the unfortunate bureaucracy of filing death certificates) is incredibly cool. Woe to anyone who would say otherwise.>If you are someone who is soothed by the dulcet tones of a corporate funeral home—with its Muzak and soft satin and embalmed corpses—then you certainly would want nothing to do with me.>I only hope she can see beyond my pale complexion and black hair to see the well-intentioned death educator lurking inside. No. 1368080
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>>1368063Finally, there's a post titled
Death & We Three, where Caitlin compares how her parents and her have interacted with death. Her mother almost died of meningitis at the age of four and her father fought on the Vietnam War. Caitlin reflects on how death is not as visible as previous generations. She sounds almost envious of these life or death experiences, compared to her mundane life as a crematory operator.
http://web.archive.org/web/20170301154732/http://fortnightjournal.com/caitlin-doughty/305-death-we-three.html>All the meaning, wonder, importance I place in my work is, in a sense, self-created. In reality, I am a product of the modern world. A woman paid to do paperwork and call the coroner’s office and cremate bodies. I am surrounded by death, but it is a bureaucratic death—not the visceral, real death of my mother’s disease or my father’s war. No. 1368101
>>1368029I thought the same in a minute of confusion, but
>Auschwitz>expected to be brutalist and cold>actually a beautiful summer campNo way Caitlin is talking about anything but Auschwitz-Birkenau. She probably used a photo from the abandoned Jewish cemetary
>>1366913I'm sure she will defend herself by stating she clearly meant the city because anything else is insane and she would never disrespect the dead (lol). I legit believe she made that posts for her deathlings that hardly know anything about Auschwitz assuming they will not Google it or call her out on spreading misinformation (knowingly or not). She wanted to have a "death positive" take on the place of one of the worst atrocities in the human history lmfao. Big brain energy
No. 1368106
>>1368101This is why I went back and looked through the posts when they confusion came in on the board that maybe she hadn’t actually visited or she meant somewhere else
But no, she was 100% there, she knew what she was saying and she knew what reaction she was looking for. Even if the photo was from elsewhere she was
for sure at the camp at the time and said that.
>>1368071You absolute angel i was going to look for these today and you beat me to it!
No. 1368110
>>1368106You are welcome,
nonnie! By the way, her sources section
>>1367787 mentions a blog called "Salon of Souls". I couldn't find anything on that.
>While working at the crematory I kept a secret blog called Salon of Souls, which caught me as I was in 2008, and didn’t allow me to revise history. No. 1368111
>>1368110Where in the world are you located? I’m not sure if this works with the way back machine but I’m just thinking some things arnt available in different regions of the world, or at least not immediately accessible, I know I’ve looked for things before, not been able to find it, then one of the burgers have woken up and located it in no time. Even though the links they provide work I think some things just get ommited from search results.
That might not be how the Internet works but still!
No. 1368124
>>1366713Checked the website to confirm:
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/our-advocacyLegislative AdvocacyThe Order of the Good Death claims to play a crucial role in the creation and writing bills, like:
- Natural Organic Reduction (also known as Human Composting)
- Alkaline Hydrolysis (also known as Aquamation or Water Cremation)
- Open Air Funeral Pyres
- The People’s Response Act
- Fetal Tissue Burial Laws
- African American Burial Ground Network Study
- End of Life Option Act
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/legislative-advocacy/Ask a Mortician YouTube Channel"Ask a Mortician is now a YouTube documentary series that approaches questions about mortality, the funeral industry, and death history with respect, curiosity, and expertise—all while maintaining its trademark quirky, irreverent sense of humor. The channel endeavors to normalize conversations around death without shying away from the challenging or bizarre. The channel now has more than 1.5 million subscribers, and remains dedicated to educating people about the past, present, and future of death."
Articles/Resources"Our archive of articles is a magical death library full of subjects you’ve (likely) never even thought of, including practical how-to’s, unknown death history, social justice issues, and much more."
"We have put together toolkits to guide you through hard subjects like talking about death, planning for your death or the death of a loved one (including your pets), and to help you navigate death legislation (like fetal burial laws)."
Death in the Afternoon PodcastCaitlin, Sarah and Louise started a podcast on October 2018 and made 17 episodes, each one is around half and hour long. The last one was recorded on September 2019.
https://open.spotify.com/show/5g973DPMHQQTA9IUxIxzhUSocial MediaLists Caitlin's personal Twitter and Instagram.
Death SalonDeath Salons are gatherings where they have conversations on mortality and mourning. They had 8 events from 2015-2018. The last one was held in Boston in Fall 2018.
https://deathsalon.org/meetings/Mortal's Market"A virtual marketplace that celebrates the diversity, artistry, and spirit in and around the Death Positive Movement." The Good Death Fellowship fund and raising funds for Self Help Graphics are also mentioned in this section.
The resources and articles seem okay. A lot of the projects on the page are discontinued, so I am not sure why they are still listed. The most important work of The Order of the Good Death should be the legislative advocacy, not Caitlin's social media presence. If you read the section "What We Are Doing" under each bill/legislation, the Order mostly writes articles or "vocally supports" with the exception of
- Natural Organic Reduction (Katrina Spade provided testimony to Senate/Congress)
- African American Burial Ground Network Study (The Order of the Good Death was one of the official signers of this bill)
- End of Life Option Act (Caitlin served on the Southern California Advisory Council for the bill)
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Caitlin went to a podcast to talk about sex and death. She mentioned Luke briefly while talking about her book
Smoke Gets Into Your Eyes and says that she projected her love onto someone who didn't deserve it kek. They talked about necrophiliacs for a while and drew parallels between sex and death. She also said that most of her work is in advocacy and her poor business partner (Amber) had to deal with most of Undertaking LA's work.
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>>1368124>Mortal's Market: A virtual marketplace that celebrates the diversity, artistry, and spirit in and around the Death Positive Movement. Presented by the Order of the Good Death, the Mortal's Market brings together a carefully curated group of artists whose creativity, activism and vision enrich conversations around death.Not kitschy at all.
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>>1368597>Burke & Hare Co.Ah yes, abuse of corpses and the murder of society’s undesirables. Very Death Positive and not at all edgy or in bad taste. Was the name J. Ripper Inc. already taken?
>>1368822It’s really just a bunch of goth shit. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with liking a dark and gothy aesthetic but there’s nothing particularly enlightened about it and being associated with an event like this as a mortician is really tacky.
No. 1368882
>>1368822Because that's exactly what it is.
>>1365676 said it best. These people are cunts.
No. 1369090
>>1368833>Burke & Hare Co"The Burke and Hare murders were a series of 16 killings committed over a period of about ten months in 1828 in Edinburgh, Scotland. They were undertaken by William Burke and William Hare, who sold the corpses to Robert Knox for dissection at his anatomy lectures."
Also:
>Ectogasm"A profound sensual experience a human has with a ghost, spirit, or otherwise discorporeal being."
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>>1368124https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/podcast/>This deathcast will dispel myths about death and dead bodies, dive into history and dark tales you’ve never heard before, and hopefully make you less afraid to talk about the inevitable.The Death in the Afternoon Podcast is a mix of true crime and stories about corpses. Some examples:
>Tony Alamo, the cult leader who made his followers pray for his embalmed wife to rise from the dead and then sexually assaulted little girls aged 8-15 because he believed his wife had reincarnated on them.>Jean Stevens, a woman who kept her sister and brother-in-life's corpses around in the house for years.>Feet washing ashore on the Pacific Northwest (Louise is obsessed with this)>The Jonestown Cult Massacre and what happened with the corpses>The Blackburn Cult placed a dead 16 year girl with seven dead dogs under the floor and attempted to resurrect her.>A mummified eleven-month old Argentinian baby, Miguelito, who is seeing as a saint and receives letters, offerings and visits for miracles.They sometimes debunk some fake news like the guy who was supposedly cremated alive or the woman who was accidentally pumped formaldehyde into her veins. Sarah almost always has the longest segment of the podcast, where she reads a story with sound effects and music.
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>>1369401They make sound it so nice on paper: "dispel myths", "make you less afraid about the inevitable", "enrich conversations around death", etc. But it's basically a goth/true crime group pretending they are doing something meaningful.
I listened to the episode "Embalmed Alive". Despite all that Caitlin has said against embalming, she said that she would be pro-embalming if instead of lying on the casket, they would let people be propped up in a cool pose (25:50). They talk about a dead woman who was posed sitting down holding a busch beer and a cigarette on her funeral. This practice was started in Puerto Rico, where they embalmed a man and propped him up. He was known as "el muerto parado".
No. 1369474
>>1369444>"dispel myths">"make you less afraid about the inevitable">"enrich conversations around death"Of which true crime does none of those. Scarfing a bag of crisps while marathoning ID channel all day is the equivalent to what their podcasts are.
>"Embalming would only totally be okay if we could do exotic shit"Once again with her cringe ass Latino fetish. There have been themed funerals held by, gasp yes, even white people Caitlin. Themed funerals are actually pretty common, its yet another way which people celebrate someone and grieve. For someone whose career choice this allegedly she is, her home truly must not receive that much business because she'd surely see a myriad of different clients. I can't imagine having "worked" in the profession for as long as she has, in a diverse setting such as L.A., and not have seen at least three or four "non-orthodox" funerals.
Shit to ponder.
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Sarah (kinda) pulled a Rachel Dolezal. Her old online name/pseudonym was Sarah Elizabeth Troop. Picrelated is how she used to look.
She started working at the Lindsay Museum and Gallery on May 2013 with her husband:
https://thesungazette.com/article/news/2014/05/14/making-history-better-for-all/She interviewed Caitlin on October 2013:
https://deathsalon.org/2013/10/02/death-salon-interviews-caitlin-doughty/ The footnote links to Sarah's blog, Nourishing Death, which is currently ran by @sarah_calavera
Sarah started the blog Nourishing Death (
https://nourishingdeath.wordpress.com) on June 2013, A Scary Little Christmas (
https://scarylittlechristmas.wordpress.com) on November 2013 and Death and the Maiden on 2014 (
https://deadmaidens.com). She is a historian and was pretty invested on topics surrounding death and morbid topics as far back as 2012. She was the host of Cabinet of Curiosities Podcast (
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cabinet-of-curiosities-podcast/id419656598). According to that Sun Gazette article, Sarah has appeared on many television and radio shows before 2013.
At some point after 2014, she realized she could use her Mexican heritage for clout. She dyed her hair jet black, changed her online name to "Sarah Chavez", her social media handles from "wunderkamercast" to "sarah_calavera" and exploited her Latinx/Xicana side.
No. 1369858
>>1369839Lmfao I called it. Knew no blue-eyed girl named Sarah was a damn Mexican. Her name is even "Sarah Elizabeth" - most whitegirl middle name ever. Don't mean to sound divisive, I'm specifically sick of these woke white Lxtinx/Chxcanxxx grifter hoes speaking for my community.
I know no cowtipping but I hope she's called on this at some point. Her little "rebrand" is physical and political brownface and it's offensive and tbh racist. Actual Mexicans don't sit around talking about Dia de los Muertos year round lmao. Great digging anon.
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>>1369839>>1369858Another pic I found of Sarah Troop compared with a recent pic of "Sarah Chavez." I suspected she was darkening her skin in selfies since she "rebranded", the difference here is clear. IRL she is quite fair.
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>>1369839Sarah Troop/Chavez/Chxcxnx Warrior Prxincess has always liked playing characters apparently.
She narrated her 2012 podcast in an (awful) British accent:
https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/cabinet-of-curiosities-podcast-sarah-troop-YAI9fWDuVxa/She currently goes by Mrs. Karswell on the Bone & Sickle podcast(picrelated), a kooky beekeeper character with voice to match:
https://open.spotify.com/show/3ieOeQJEmQDd3SjKh4A3vC?si=0JKRjJtCRMWznEPKjqf1aA&dl_branch=1&nd=1 This is her actual voice from an "Ask a Mortician" episode in 2015 when she still went by Sarah Troop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdX3BqF1s9YVery notable at 42 seconds when she says "fava de morte" — her Spanish accent is as terrible as her British one lol. Can't even trill her r's yet wants to be a Mexican influencer.
https://youtu.be/wdX3BqF1s9Y?t=42 Seems like Sarah Chavez is another one of her characters, the hyperwoke Chicana radical activist wearing sugar skull makeup year round (with a fake name, who can't speak or pronounce Spanish and has a tenuous grasp on the culture). Well to be fair, none of her characters are particularly convincing..
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>>1369839According to
>>1363491, Sarah lost her baby on 2013. I was under the impression that this loss made her search for a more death positive way to deal with her pain, but she was in touch with Caitlin and members of the Order of the Good Death on 2012. She has always been obsessed with death and memento mori. It wasn't something new that she discovered when she got in touch with her Mexican roots.
Sarah has an understandable fixation with children, but it comes across creepy for me. On 2013, she tweeted ads of dangerous contraptions for children, photos of post-mortem Victorian children, children playing with Death, illustrations of sick children, etc. The tweet on the bottom is a podcast episode that Sarah made on Josephine Barthelemy, a teenager who burned down a school for mentally retarded girls. The fire killed 23 girls and injured 18:
http://www.cemeteryguide.com/gotw-hopeschool.html. How her Twitter looked like on 2013:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131102014410/https://twitter.com/wunderkamercast. Sarah's Christmas blog also has stories and illustrations of children being eaten, kidnapped or hurt.
>>1364891She mentions Santa Muerte a couple of times on 2013
No. 1369889
>>1369882>Chavez is her maiden name. Troop was from when she was married.Wait how do we know this anon? This article from 2014 says "Troop brought her fellow historian and boyfriend Bruno Huerta" when she moved to Lindsay in 2013. So her marriage would have been over by 2013, but she was still going by Troop as recent as 2015.
I know women sometimes keep married names when separated/divorced for various reasons, just wondering if there's proof that Troop was her married name, not her maiden name. I ask because I've actually known people who go back a generation or two and "borrow" a more ethnic family name when doing this sort of, ahem, rebrand so I'm wary of all these grifter tricks lol
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>>1369889I thought Bruno was Mexican lol… I don't know if I am allowed to link his Twitter, but he is a white passing guy with photos from Dia de los Muertos and sugar skulls on his profile.
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Sarah looks like Caitlin's skinwalker here. The blunt bangs and death stuff is not original, but it creeps me out that she looked like
>>1369839 on 2013 and made herself to look like Caitlin while being close to her. It gives me Single White Female vibes.
https://web.archive.org/web/20151110011844/http://www.dirgemag.com/new-faces-of-death-sarah-troop/ No. 1369902
>>1369898Yes, the book From Here to Eternity says that Sarah's partner is Mexican-American.
>>1369884It also says that Sarah lost her baby on July 2013.
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>>1369902>the book From Here to Eternity says Sarah's partner is Mexican-American.Tfw you're so Mexican you're a ginger. I can't with these grifters, all of them
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Our woke warrior princess Sarah "Troop" Chavez in the San Diego Tribune supporting human composting laws because she's sooo indigenous she literally can't get buried on colonized land…but she can be sprinkled on it later
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2020-03-10/human-composting-could-become-an-option-in-california No. 1369926
>>1369894He looks like my friend's mom's Bolivian boyfriend, not a Mexican.
>>1369900She's even doing the stupid, tight lipped grin and wide bug eyes. Imagine Single White Femaling someone as troony and lumpy as Caitlin Doughy.
No. 1370083
>>1369839I fucking knew she was wearing fake tan, you can smell the bondi sands radiating off her
What a poser!
No. 1370112
>>1369858Also sage for same fagging but honestly it pisses me off so much. Like there’s nothing wrong with being educated about and fighting for the rights of minority people, indigenous people, Mexicans or Latino people. She could still even talk about her personal connection to the issue having had Mexican immigrant grandparents.
But to straight up
larp as an indigenous/ Mexican person boils my fucking piss. You undermine and make everything you’ve ever said completely redundant by making it about yourself and how many woke points you can score on the bird app olympics.
Also her British accent sucked ass. What is it with these cows and putting on this faux Maggie smith esq style of talking? And how can the cow attempt to try to learn a British accent and never attempt to properly lead Spanish.
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>>1369839More about Sarah:
She used to give cemetery tours:
https://www.lavatransforms.org/2010/05/21/sarah-elizabeth-troop/>She was recently chosen by famed parapsychologist, Loyd Auerbach, to became part of The Office of Paranormal Investigations as a Parapsychological Field Investigator.>Sarah has been asked to create and develop cemetery tours for a number of cemeteries in the Central California region, focusing on the area’s history, iconography and death and morning rituals. She was a paranormal investigator:
https://creepyla.com/2011/08/28/the-cabinet-of-curiosities-podcast/>“I’ve always been enamored with anything macabre, especially the possibility of paranormal phenomena,” Troop tells us. “I’ve been active as a field researcher of psi phenomena for over eight years now as a physics and acoustics specialist and started writing a blog detailing my experiences in what was then, an uncommon field. Thrown in the mix were stories about LA weirdness, or other oddities. Last year, a couple friends who do a paranormal themed podcast, Conversations Through The Veil, approached me about creating a show within theirs, and this was how The Cabinet was created.”She was a member of Boyle Heights Paranormal Project, which offered tours and assistance in paranormal investigations at Linda Vista Hospital, a supposedly haunted location.
https://www.lavatransforms.org/2011/06/07/linda-vista-hospital-tour-and-paranormal-investigation/https://hollywoodjunket.com/linda-vista-ghost-tour-paranormal-investigation/It's hilarious how Sarah has managed to re-conceptualize her previous work as death positive AND feminist:
https://strangelosangeles.com/sarah-chavez-mortician-13-days-of-strange/>The East LA native has dedicated her adult life to examining death and dying through an intersectional-feminist and inclusive lens, using her voice to examine the relationship between ritual, decolonization and death itself.>Sarah began her career as a historian and museum curator for the notoriously haunted Linda Vista Hospital. Many visitors of the hospital were interested in aspects of death so she created public programming where they could safely engage with the topic in an open forum. Since then, Sarah has become a defining voice within the industry. She is a founding member of “The Collective for Radical Death Studies”, a co-founder of feminist site “Death & the Maiden,” creator of the blog “Nourishing Death,” and co-host of the podcast “Death in the Afternoon.” She also serves as the executive director of the “Order of the Good Death,” a group of funeral industry professionals, academics, and artists exploring ways to prepare a death phobic culture for their inevitable mortality. No. 1370261
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>>1369926>Imagine Single White Femaling someone as troony and lumpy as Caitlin Sarah and Landis:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBNymYyF-Nw/ (Ok, I don't think they actually dated, but it made chuckle with the Single White Female comparison)
No. 1370418
>>1369903To be fair, there are native born Mexicans who look like this. Including redheads. They’re abundant in Monterrey.
Despite that, even if they were both true and honest Mexican citizens, they’d still be privileged as fuck in that society. A far cry from the oppressed chicanx indigenous woman of color she pretends to be.
No. 1370699
>>1368071she's literally in the biz for the aesthetic and also gatekeeps while claiming to be a shining beacon against gatekeeping.
i read one of her essays in about 2012 that put me off her forever. it was a whole spiel about how if you just think the death industry is "Cool" you should NOT go into it. it's a lifelong calling and you must love it with all your being and if you belong then welcome, we are waiting for you etc. etc. type of bullshit.
she's inconsistent. she flip-flops between "it's NOT just an image thing! be SERIOUS!" and "don't be so SERIOUS! you can totally be into it becaus it's goff" she makes no fucking sense to me.
No. 1370892
>>1370708Which members from the Order should be included in the next OP?
Also what thread pic should I use?
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>>1369865Sarah was with Caitlin and Megan in a Death Salon at the Mütter Museum in the photo on the left.
No. 1370955
>>1370892the order staff should be included, especially sarah, louise and the nudist girl. the order founders are less milky
>>1362163 would be a nice thread pic
No. 1370972
>>1370955I think it's okay if we exclude Ericka. She has only been working with them for 7 months and there isn't any milk about her.
>>1365332,
>>1364322,
>>1357758 could also be good thread pics.
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>>1369902>>1369884More excerpts from the chapter Michoacan, Mexico
No. 1372377
>>1372326Losing a pregnancy is incredibly sad and I know how private and unspeakable that pain can feel sometimes and yet "my body is a tomb…I am the face of horror…I am the boogeyman" is an incredibly dramatic way of conceptualizing her grief. It's almost like she's NLOGing this experience that actually SO many women have had, or at least understand, and in my experience are extremely willing to support friends or even acquaintances with. Did she even try therapy or getting support from the women in her life before trouncing off to Mexico, certain that only their mystical "totally cool with death" culture was her salvation?
And don't get me started with "Mexico was a place to lay down my grief" - there's something so tone deaf whitegirl Eat Pray Love about this, and "we weren't tourists in Mexico" - lol girl. Yes you were.
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Caroline will be uploading her nudes to a platform filled with horny zoomers. Nothing weird about that.
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New Ask a Mortician Video: America's Forgotten Vampire Panic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teFCP69trOI No. 1373728
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>>1373134I haven't seen an Ask A Mortician video in a while… The editing is very different. It reminded me of Lindsay Ellis' videos. It had several stock footage, music video and movie clips, including from Dracula, Queen of the Damned, Interview with the Vampire and… the Twilight franchise. I assume she wants to capitalize on it since it has become popular again. Some highlights:
>Caitlin visited the cemetery where Mercy Brown's grave rests, the cemetery where John Barber's family was buried and the house where H.P. Lovecraft was inspired to write a vampire short story. >Apparently she found a young goth couple taking photos in the Mercy Brown cemetery and they talked about vampires.>The song hello darkness my old friend plays when she made a vague reference to Coronavirus. >Caitlin explains New England's lore on vampires and talks about Dracula's legend. She also talks about the sexualization of vampires and their victims.>Caitlin says that the rise and panic for vampires coincides with the arrival of the funeral industry AND EMBALMING. She argues that Dracula himself is technically an embalmer because he takes blood from his victims, replaces it with toxins and preserves the body forever. "Through embalming, the undertaker literally creates a corpse resistant to decay, literally obscures distasteful signs of death […] With the rise of embalming and preserving our dead, it's the lack of decay that scares us." (30:56)>There are a bunch of shots of Caitlin walking around tombstones with eerie music, while she explains the stories of the people who were believed to be vampires and how their corpses were treated.>Caitlin mentions that some people identify as vampires in YT and modify themselves to reflect their true identity. But she won't vampire-police people. At the end of the day, we all have a fascination with vampires and it's an interesting concept. No. 1373835
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>>1373824Yes, the death and funeral of her grandma is mentioned in the book Smoke Gets In Your Eyes… in the same chapter where she talks about killing off the elderly to fight against overpopulation
>>1357153.
Her grandma, Tutu, had an accident, which made her disabled and would slip "further into the fog" as the years passed. She died in a retirement condominium in Hawaii and was taken care of by a nice nurse, who dressed her up in a nice dress and took a photo for her family when she passed away. Caitlin was working in the crematorium and had to take a flight to take care of the funeral. Her grandma was embalmed and Caitlin was very unhappy with how she looked.
No. 1373904
>>1373835>very unhappy with how she looked.Which happened to Daniella's aunt
>>1361612 and that's exactly why Daniella sought to become an embalmer– to do better for other people so they wouldn't feel the same pain she felt when she had to see her aunt looking that way.
And yet Caitlin Doughty still ostracized her, tore her down, refused to apologize, and only continues to screech about embalming as if its raped and murdered her entire family in front of her and then spat in her eyes.
This is probably going to sound cunty, but given that this horseshit book was written and sent out into the world after Daniella was pursued by Cait and her clique, I wouldn't have put it past Caitlin to have made this shit up about her grandmother so she could have yet another "reason" as to why embalming needs to be done away with. Also, who the fuck is Caitlin to scream at the funeral director that the woman shouldn't be embalmed when it wasn't HER CHOICE? Was it ever discussed what grandma wanted, not Caitlin? Why is somebody else's funeral up to this fucking mongrel?
I can fully understand being upset if an embalming went awry, but absolutely nothing about this passage seems genuine, especially the theatrics which are par the course for Cait's dramatic ass self. I really do think this never actually happened and she borrowed what happened to Daniella's aunt, but upped the ante to delight the reader so she could have this in-character transformation-epiphany-revelation or whatever and become the Batman who beats up embalmers.
No. 1374449
>>1373904>Was it ever discussed what grandma wanted, not Caitlin?The book doesn't say. I sort of remember Caitlin mentioning that the funeral director made it seem like it was state law to embalm. I wonder if embalming was recommended because other family members had to fly in from other places.
>absolutely nothing about this passage seems genuineI also have issues with the way that Caitlin described what happened. I got more emotions from the nurse and her niece than anyone else in that family. They seemed stuck up and cold. The weirdest part is that what Caitlin took from all of this is "embalming is bad" and "old people need euthanasia". Her grandma was loved and well-taken care by people who adored her. It doesn't sit well with me that she decided to include this story next to her rants about how much work the elderly are and the wonders of euthanasia.
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Full interview:
https://www.lareviewofbooks.org/av/caitlin-doughty-memoir-mortician/>>1363041>>1358583>>1356643>And I do that my whole life people have been saying, “Oh, she had a really tragic experience when she was young that’s why she’s weird, or that’s why she’s obsessed with death,” and I don’t think that’s what’s going on. I think that I just have a lot of natural morbidity. But there is something to be said for trying to engage with the problems of your childhood as an adult. I think we’re all kind of doing a little bit in our adult lives.>>1366019>>1357622>Oh there was totally a goth scene in Hawaii growing up. There are two clubs, one is called Flesh and the other is called Dungeon, and we used to sneak out and go to them when I was like sixteen and sleep in the car by the side of the road. No. 1374522
>>1374475No one is against natural burials, but the family and the deceased's wishes are the priority and must be respected. We had an interesting discussion about embalming itt
>>1363796,
>>1363924,
>>1363938 No. 1374751
>>1374522Needs to be in the next OP that the thread isn't about anon's preferences and it's about the cows. Other threads have similar rules like altcows and arguing about what's real goth and what isn't or the leftcows thread OP which tells people itt not to shit it up with their ideas of perfect communism is. All anons like
>>1374475 do is open the thread up to derailment and then the wk's get bold and think they're welcomed.
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Caitlin is launching an online course to learn how to deal with the fear of death:
https://www.mortalcourse.com
>With our combined 20 years of work in death and dying, we created Mortal to help you excavate and face those fears. >The goal is to make you aware of where your fears are coming from, and provide you with tools to bravely examine and reduce the fears when they do arise.>Every week, from the moment you sign up, you will receive access to a new lesson,including videos, exercises, guided meditations, and a weekly bonus death meditation
based on that week’s contemplation.
>The 9-week course costs $195. No. 1394225
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>>1394222The lesson plan:
>LESSON One: All of us will die sooner or later>LESSON Two: I create my own meaning.>LESSON Three: I meet my true self on my deathbed.>LESSON Four: I could die at any time.>LESSON Five: There are parts of my death I can control.>LESSON Six: I trust my body.>LESSON Seven: My possessions and money can't come with me.>LESSON Eight: My loved ones cannot come with me.>LESSON Nine: Preparing for death is a lifelong project.
>The course is designed to take around 2 1/2 months to complete, with just an hour commitment each week. But we understand that sometimes life happens, so you will have access to the course for one full year from purchase date. No. 1394320
>>1361763I know this is a month late reply, but I'm not white but I still love Tim Burton films, I just like the aesthetic
I swear I'm not cringy like Caitlin
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>>1394222The testimonials are strange and sound too good to be true. This course helped people to love again apparently.
No. 1394654
>>1394624She can't "morally" have a Facebook group despite having one for years now and is crying about toxicity?
Sounds like people were questioning her and criticizing her, maybe some even found this thread and brought her history of bullying other women against her and she's trying to run now. I mean, the timing is rather suspicious given that this thread has only existed for a month and the announcement came so recently.
You can't hide, Caitlin. And you can't pin your behavior on the big mean "b00lies" in the industry anymore. You've told lie after lie, harassed others, and stolen opportunities from people who deserved platforms far more than you ever have. You shouldn't have been such a piece of shit.
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>>1394624Video in question
>>1394654Yep, I thought the timing was pretty suspicious as well. Especially because she's been neglecting the group for a while. Louise has always been the active admin. So it's incredibly odd that she's suddenly care enough about the group to nuke it.
No. 1394765
>>1394654in my experience she seems to really piss off people who have had a lot of friends and family die (e.g. people in their 60s or older, but also younger ones e.g. my friends who were deployed in various militaries)
she tries to claim death as her "thing" despite little personal experience with it AND not having grown up in the funeral director culture. to people with more personal experience, regardless of whether or not they are death professionals, she comes off exactly like a weeb does to actual japanese people.
No. 1394794
>>1394783Honestly the FB group isn't super interesting or milky. Caitlin almost never posts or interacts, so it's pretty much just members asking community questions, or people looking for sympathy/emotional support. The video looks like it has mostly positive comments, but people generally have expressed their disappointment with the closure of the group. The admins did resolve to archive the group rather than delete, as was originally planned.
I'd be interested to see if the Patreon chat supplies anything of interest, but I don't want to pledge to her campaign again after finding out so many negative details about her.
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>>1394794Louise's announcement
No. 1395727
>>1395146That's what I said. This is the same bitch who basked in referring to herself as the industry rabblerouser yet oh no, she can't handle criticism all of a sudden.
>>1394765She shouldn't have gone into the field in the first place and should have stayed a history major who does shakespeare in the park on her off days, because she's too much of a performer to be taken seriously. She has like one story about her grandma and even that is played up so dramatically to make it seem like she was needed in this profession. Even her grandma's funeral was all about Caitlin and what Caitlin wanted. Selfish grifty sneaky bitch.
No. 1395850
>>1394225>>1394314That's what I'm thinking. The timing is totally suspicious and tons of anons itt were giving her shit for Louise and Sara being her only tokens, the latter barely able to hide the fact that she dyed her hair and began her Latinx larp only a short time ago.
Somebody lurked.
No. 1399001
I remember reading a blog post on Order of the Good Death nearly a decade ago, back when Caitlin was first starting to get recognition.
A contributor wrote this bizarre rant about how feeling negatively about the existence of cancer and doing things like wearing "fuck cancer" t-shirts is stupid and pointless. His argument was that cancer is natural and death is inevitable, therefore being angry about the human suffering it causes is no more logical than getting upset about the heat death of the universe. Your body commits a cellular holocaust every day and those cancer cells are just like, rebels refusing to play by your rules anymore, maaaan. Tumors are actually kind of cool like that! It's evolutionary karma and humans kind of deserve it. Ergo, you should learn to embrace cancer and stop whining about not wanting it to kill you or your loved ones.
It was such a tone deaf and myopic perspective to have at all, let alone to slap your name on and share with the world.
That's what put me off of her and everyone involved in her stupid fucking "death positive movement" immediately. Even back then they were all about fetishizing death. There was never any well-intentioned educational mission that they lost sight of as Caitlin became infatuated with her growing fame and youtube clickbait. These people have always been a bunch of insufferable edgelord pieces of shit.
Did a quick google search and it's still up on their site:
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/article/sympathy-for-the-tumor-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-cancer/Written by some asshole named Andy Prendergast. Of course he's a male working in a STEM field, suddenly the total lack of self-awareness and blatant sociopathy makes sense.
No. 1399913
This thread is going to have 1200 posts soon. We have received a lot of pushback from the deathlings itt, but I am glad we persisted and the milk came through. I have made this OP for the next thread and I would like your feedback, anons. Let me know what you will like added/changed. The thread pic will be
>>1362163, unless someone has a better suggestion.
Caitlin Doughty and the Death Positive MovementThe Death Positive Movement encourages people to speak openly about death, dying, and corpses. The term "death positive" was popularized by Caitlin Doughty, better known online as Ask a Mortician. She is an American mortician, author, YouTuber, and death acceptance advocate. However, she is overwhelmingly hated in the death care industry for:
>Joining the funerary industry for the spooky/goth aesthetic and movie/tv show opportunities.>Putting out incorrect information and stating personal opinions as facts.>Making a game out of cremating dead babies.>Bullying other women and funeral directors.>Sending her stans to harass her critics, while calling herself a “rabble rouser”.>Painting all funeral directors as crooks to push her alternative burials agenda.>Pretending to care about the families’ wishes, but shaming them if they choose to take an approach she doesn’t approve.>Suggesting that we let the elderly and sick die to fight against overpopulation.>Lacking empathy and making fun of grieving families and the deceased.>Fetishizing foreign funerary practices while demonizing Western customs.>Writing insufferable, quirky books with a disrespectful attitude towards the profession. Caitlin vs. Other WomenCaitlin is a pickme, who will find any excuse to bully, insult or ridicule other women:
>She tore down another woman, Daniella, in the funerary industry because she saw her as competition. She used her real name, linked her interview with a news outlet and posted her photos on her blog post, where she painted her as a bimbo and called her a HotTopic dethgirl >>1361140>She wrote a blog post about Elizabeth, a young fashionista who plans funeral services as parties. Caitlin once again used her platform to reduce her as a vapid idiot >>1361751, despite being eerily similar to what she wanted to accomplish with La Belle Mort, her dream funeral home >>1364391.>She publicly addresses a terminally ill woman who had an issue with her disrespectful way of talking about death. Caitlin told her that she is dying too… ACTUALLY everyone is dying, so her opinion is not important just because she is sick >>1361823>She wrote an angry blog post about Lindsay Lohan and said that she is only interesting as a drugged out former child star >>1362086. Caitlin was upset that the search results for the LA morgue showed the news that Lindsay was assigned to do her community service there.>She made fun of a widow’s botox lips and tears her down on how she handled the suicide of her husband >>1361649.>She took photos of random overweight women in public for her friends to make fun of them >>1360808.>She criticized a woman who announced in Facebook that she visited a concentration camp >>1361734, despite the fact that she has done the exact same thing in IG >>1361626.>She made a IG post where she shares the username and photo of a mortuary student who made a negative comment about her. Despite asking her fans to not harass her, Caitlin monitors the comments and actively participates in the harassment and humiliation of this girl until she deletes her account. This girl is no longer in the funerary industry >>1362996>Wrote a post directed to a woman in her comments (includes her name and last name) because she had the audacity to point out that the funeral business is not cool or about the goth aesthetic >>1368071>She made Amber, her business partner, do all the work for Undertaking LA. Caitlin possibly underpaid her and then got rid of her when a better offer came along >>1367547>She never misses an opportunity to remind her fans how not like other girls is. While other women like stuff like pumpkin spice candles and Uggs >>1361797, she has a wax moulage face with primary syphilis and dish towels with skeletons >>1361506The Order of the Good DeathAfter working at a crematory for a year, Caitlin decides that the funeral industry needs reform and she is the only person who can do that. She enrolled in mortuary school and created a collective called The Order of the Good Death. The group is made of mostly artists and writers who will lead the death revolution. In reality, they are a bunch of true crime fans and/or goths, equating liking spooky/gory stuff and Halloween decor to death positivity. Some honorable mentions:
Sarah Chavez (
https://twitter.com/sarah_calavera)
>Former paranormal investigator and cemetery tour guide >>1370245. Currently the executive director of the Order of the Good Death >>1361924>Decided to rebrand her internet presence as a Latinx/Xicana once her paranormal activity investigator and morbid historian schtick wasn’t bringing her enough fame or money >>1369839.>Calls her family self-hating Mexicans because they wanted to assimilate to life in the United States >>1363491.>Can’t speak Spanish and promotes social justice causes but doesn’t actually do anything to support Mexican people, understand their struggles or know much beyond Dia de los Muertos >>1364847.Louise Hung (
https://twitter.com/LouiseHung1)
>Former writer for xoJane/CreepyCorner, current Producer & Writer for Caitlin’s videos.>American-Chinese with identity issues >>1365492.>Writes articles about her Asianness >>1366053, >>1365492 while knowingly disrespecting Chinese customs >>1366692.Caroline Reilly (
https://twitter.com/ms_creilly)
>Social media content contributor and seasoned nudes enthusiast >>1366839.>Pickme who uploads nudes on her social media and uses male validation to feel better about her emotional and physical trauma >>1366845.>Spends entire paychecks on lingerie and sends “reams of masturbatory material” to any man who will look her way or call her brave, from classmates to her older co-workers >>1367018.>Writes articles about how other women should follow her footsteps >>1366995.Last Thread >>>/snow/1356618Caitlin’s Background and Past:
>Her childhood >>1364307 and teenage years >>1356620, >>1357622, >>1357934>Her romantic life: Luke >>1357423, Landis >>1362586, Unnamed man >>1362796>Timeline of her TV show negotiations and online career >>1360155, >>1360199, >>1360337>Her responses to criticism and negative comments >>1356936, >>1356806, >>1357768>Discussions about her books >>1356693, >>1363143, >>1363491, >>1357153Recently:
>Anons find evidence of Caitlin bullying other women in the industry and confirm the rumors from Reddit of Caitlin's behavior >>1361140, >>1364391, >>1362996, >>1368071>Speculation that Caitlin doesn’t actually work in the funeral home. Taryn, the embalmer, and the other female employees do all the work >>1356928, >>1358182, >>1358953>Caitlin calling Auschwitz a beautiful summer camp and makes questionable posts about the Holocaust >>1361626, >>1366913, >>1366966>Caitlin’s business cards include a still from a silent film where a woman humps a skeleton >>1361636, >>1362872>Caitlin lied about making a scholarship to provide funding for black women, that was announced at the height of BLM >>1363169, >>1363212>Caitlin is selling a 9-hour online course on how to deal with the fear of death for $195 >>1394222, >>1394225>Caitlin and Louise are archiving the Facebook group for their Patreon subs, The Detailing Den >>1394624, >>1394751, >>1394798Other:
>Discussions about The Order of the Good Death >>1365651, >>1365937>Off-topic discussions about embalming >>1363562, >>1363631, >>1363924 and the funerary industry >>1356821, >>1363938, >>1363773Social Media/Linkshttps://twitter.com/thegooddeath https://www.youtube.com/c/AskAMortician https://www.facebook.com/OrderoftheGoodDeath https://www.instagram.com/thegooddeath Notes: 1. Don't come here to defend Caitlin or complain about the existence of this thread. If you like her or enjoy her content, just hide the thread.
2. This thread is to discuss Caitlin Doughty and other cows from the Death Positive Movement. Read the site rules and description before posting a new cow here.
3. We are not here to hate or defend a particular burial method, but to critique the cows' behavior, attitudes and sense of entitlement to dictate how others should grieve and/or dispose of their bodies.
No. 1400109
>>1399877But nobody
does bat an eye, that's how she has been getting away with it for years
No. 1402601
>>1394821100% agree with you and I honestly think that they’ll still delete this group in a few months time despite their fans having paid for it and protested it (I think Caitlin proberbly feels like she’ll have more control monitoring them in a paid for group on Patreon than a private access Facebook group, especially with the existence of this thread). If I was there I’d scroll as far back to the origins of the group as I could incase there’s any old milk hiding - though I suspect that the anon who first posted about this was right in it largely just being her fans interacting with each other.
Also they could have moved it somewhere else that’s also easily accessible like discord - though I’d argue Facebook is likely more secure than discord. I imagine there will be a LOT less chatting on patreon than Facebook.
Also this stupid course she’s running reminds me of super hippy dippy spiritual people selling their astrology or Crystal healing courses. Christ alive Caitlin how many pies have you got your fingers in?
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I’m so convinced she’s found this thread (also does anyone know how to save Instagram videos? Not sure how to capture it for here)
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Of course she allows her followers to donate to this
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And of course it’s only for three people but she’s not very forthcoming about this. In her Instagram video for examples of the sort of people she’s looking for she shows a cook book so… make of that what you will. Looks like she’s willing to part with from between $15,000-$24,000 total. $5,000-$8,000 per winner… errr I mean “fellow”. I’m not sure that’s much for your death positive finger puppet show to get off the ground
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/good-death-fellowship/ No. 1409788
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Also adding this as the Henrietta Duterte scholarship is taking 2022 applicants yet still no mention that this was a scholarship intended for black students. Not shitting on the collage but on Caitlin for claiming this. The fellowship website has a link for you to donate to the scholarship but she doesn’t declare how much the fellowship donates.
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Recent post on @mortician_memes on insta provoked some interesting comments (they have other anti-cait posts and I do have screenshots of more comments similar to these if anyone is interested, but the posts are also still up afaik)
No. 1413103
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No. 1413106
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>>1413103I censored the usernames but the yellow highlight is Amber, Cait's former business partner from Undertaking LA who allegedly handled all the affairs of the funeral home while Cait either wasn't qualified or didn't want to
No. 1413172
>>1413107Home worker anon from upthread here and this is exactly what I've been saying; she makes non-industry people look at us as if we are monsters who steal money if we are not her and its tiresome and immature and smacks of high school mean girl. And that meme is spot on because I will never forget all the pushback I received when I requested this thread, on a gossip site of all places, which is supposed to be open to calling out the behavior of cows such as Caitlin and her ilk. It was utterly ridiculous how many people came to bat for her, said there was nothing behind three reddit comments, and expected it to be shut down.
>>1409788I do know someone who attends CCBC and there is no mention of this scholarship being limited to black students. It is open to everybody. The college does have a scholarships portal, but very few if any are limited to just black students. It mostly goes by major and gpa, but the mortuary science department doesn't have that many scholarships to begin with. I'm also not trying to racebait, please understand that, but the majority of the students who enroll into and graduate from this program are white and female. There are pictures of recent and past alumni on the department halls. I say this because I'm honestly confused by her intent with the whole thing. I get that it was to save herself from scrutiny during post George floyd stuff online, but was this supposed to encourage black women to enter the field? And if so, why not do what other black female funeral director associations have done and actually host workshops and job fairs, even digitally? This just wasn't thought out and it speaks volumes.