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Been talking about him a lot in the Suzy/Game Grumps thread so we thought it was time to make one for him.
And his gf, Cheyenne
Some drama highlights:
- The Ziegs incident. Basically Ziegs was a female streamer who hung out with the crew and got bullied and belittled a lot by Chey. People either noticed and stayed quiet, or thought it was funny, so it got swept under the rug until Ziegs posted that she's quitting and that Chey's behaviour has almost driven her to suicide. Cry played the "I never knew it was so bad" card. Snake was suspicious of what was going on but generally remained neutral.
Ziegs' post: http://ziegsden.tumblr.com/post/127637296549/in-regards-to-this-video-and-its-comments-this
Snake's reply: http://msf-actual.tumblr.com/post/127827499956
Cry's reply: http://cryaotic.tumblr.com/post/127827712539/msf-actual-okayfor-ziegs-to-walk-away-from-the
Chey's reply: http://daaes.tumblr.com/post/127827561255/transparency
- "In the Room" video. Basically Coyotenimation on Youtube makes small animated highlights of streams. He made one called In the Room (link here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSlCsGXwCl4&ab_channel=Coyotemation
) that basically implied Chey is the "elephant in the room" in a time when the Chey/Ziegs tension was high. What's interesting is that Cry commented in this video saying like "not cool, man" but bless gurugossiper I found there the image of the comment from coyotehttp://i65.tinypic.com/2i7bjaa.png
If that's true it explains a lot of behaviour from Chey
If you fancy reading through a lot of nonsense in the comments, here's Cry's linked comment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSlCsGXwCl4&lc=z12ag5doxzawupor304cgplw3ynwh3frhec&ab_channel=Coyotemation
Cheyenne says that Cry's editing and vids are not particularly impressive (during a stream with a friend), it's SO awkward, Cry's feelings are hurt, the third person trying to keep a convo going.
Chey's various tumblr dramas http://daaes.tumblr.com/post/124916566480/donatehttp://daaes.tumblr.com/post/124482280000/lynns-mind-daaes-lynns-mind-daaeshttp://daaes.tumblr.com/post/124476240650/honestly-some-of-you-are-so-dramatic-if-youhttp://daaes.tumblr.com/post/123878288970/i-dont-want-people-to-think-im-upset-because
<- Chey wasn't around/invited to a stream and she bitched on tumblr. Jund is famously disliking of Chey and they butt heads a lot on tumblr. Cry just sort of whines like "guyz plz stop" but doesn't do anything publicly.
continuation of ^ http://daaes.tumblr.com/post/123877827280/scottjund-daaes-scottjund-daaes-keep
Some random posts that are interesting
A post from cry's tumblr a long, long time ago. http://cryaotic.tumblr.com/post/31830471345/spill-it-all-let-it-flow-through-you-dog
Very morose and serious stuff, coming from him. About his family life.
A random reddit thread that was criticising Chey, but not titled as Chey, just "streamer's gf", still pretty hilarious though https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFails/comments/3m681t/streamers_gf_throws_a_tantrum_ingame_about_a/
Okay there's so much more, especially Chey/Jund salt or just Chey being saltier than a cheap ramen pack, but I can't find them/can't think of their sources, sorry!
But let's carry on~
Ironically the first posts on chey's tumblr are addressing her age. So yes, she claims that "to the law" she was a minor but not emotionally illegal. Basically her way of saying she was 16 and Cry is five years older than her so do the math (she states that in the tags).
We were discussing him on the Suzy Game Grumps thread and a few of us did agree that we'd like a Cry thread to discuss him. His girlfriend goes hand in hand with the topic, I guess.>>142403
He's got 2-3 mil subs but he's mainly known for his voice and mystery. He's essentially anonymous and faceless and fangirls go bonkers over his voice, to a very disturbing degree. He was super tight with Pewds and the PewdsxCry ship was alive and very well but it seems they wanted to simmer it down so it's basically a niche fandom now.
Yeah, Chey is the lolcow here, not Cry. I haven't liked her from the start, she has always been rude to Cry and his friends even when they are on stream. I don't know why he stays with her, it seems like an abusive relationship to me.
I didn't know that they started dating when she was 16 though, that's kind of gross. If that's true, then the relationship may be toxic both ways then.
It's basically about Chey, but Cry is dating her and she is obsessed with him. Basically, it's Cry and the late night crew, which Chey is a part of.
(Similar to Snoozy and GG)
I believe Cry is popular because he is considered a 'nice guy' youtuber. He started streaming during the time Pewdiepie got really well known and he is very different from him. While Pewdiepie back then made a lot of sexist and rape jokes, cry was the opposite. He has a calming voice and states a lot of how he feels about women's equality and human rights overall. He isn't 100% a sjw but has a few tendencies. He's also active in his fanbase. Aside from never showing his face, people tend to like him.
I personally watched him back in 2009 or 2010 and thought he was a decent youtuber, even though he's an awful gamer. He isn't very political and doesn't over exaggerate his reactions like Markiplier.
He was niche was a while, but got steadily more popular throughout the last 3 years. I actually had no idea he hit over 1 mil subs until recently.
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I think this is Cheyenne's old myspace. Very cringey
>'yay i iz japanese'
Holyshit, she is cringy. >>142414
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>>142414>woot woot im a sexy beasty
I always wondered if those pictures were her. They both resemble her and really don't, it's weird.
Chey is partnered now with Twitch and got 3k in donations the other day, I saw on her twitter.
Like damn, why does such a bitchy person get such attention? (rhetorical question I know they are just sucking up to Cry)
Honestly Cry seems both totally chill to me and also really flawed. Like, not in a "nobody's perfect" way but in the way like that one friend you have who is cool but continuously does small things that really piss you off, but they aren't enough to make you delete them from your life.
let her live we all posted that shit on myspace in 2007. post new relevant content please
The thing that grinds my gears with Chey is that she blames her borderline personality disorder on her bad behaviour. Like… no, dude, that's not how it works. It doesn't give you a free pass to be a bitch to people.
I feel bad for her mother passing away. And I get it must be tough being Cry's gf with all the crybaby creepo female fans, but the only thing that she makes herself to be is cry's gf, likes swimming, lives in las vegas. That's it. And being a mega bitch to his friends.
I've heard from elsewhere that she has a rep for driving away female mods for the streams. I can't recall where the link came from though.
Chey is the girlfriend of a Youtuber popular with young female fans. Cue people defending her because they have been blinded by internet culture. Time and time again she gets involved in drama and they still defend her. Now she's twitch partnered and she calls the people who criticise her "haters".
She's doing quite fine for being an ass to others.
Honestly he probably wouldn't ever break up with her because she knows too much. What he looks like, what his house looks like, his accounts, his family, his pets. She's got so much knowledge that she could destroy him if she wanted.
Heck, I think some of his closest online friends don't even know his face or name.
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Idk how he handled it but cr1tikal ended revealing his face and I think it got him more attention. Maybe that's just because he was cute tho
In that OP reddit link, someone linked this part where she calls him a 'useless fat fuck':https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXj9W4XpuE&feature=youtu.be&t=539
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Too bad he probably looks like
I can see her posting his nudes and talking about how he forced her to date him when she was only 16.>>142445
I doubt cry is attractive enough for him to gain fans with an unmasking. Just look at his homely ass girlfriend.
When cry was a smaller you tuber, before Felix came to him asking to play with him i was subbed. He was nice, generally chill and laid low. I can't say much has changed except for the fact that Chey WALKS ALL OVER HIM.
And he's said himself that he's heavier, and likes heavier women. I asked him once how he feels about all of the fan art depicting him as some skin and bones 15 year old bishie-boy and he said something along the lines of, "it doesn't make me uncomfortable, because that's cry. That's the person they see as their friend, which is fine. I'm not Cry, the character so I don't feel offended, but I do feel like a big portion of my sub count would stop watching me if they knew what I looked like."
He also had a really shitty home life, so I have no clue why he would stay with Chey. I haven't tried approaching him since maybe 3-4 years ago, so I don't think he'd answer, but I assume it's because he thinks he's not good enough to have a healthy relationship. (Or she's threatening suicide/to release personal info if he leaves her.)
Cry was "unmasked" years ago. Someone posted his image onto Tumblr and his fans mass reported it until it was taken down.
He's not cute at all, in fact he's also obese. But at least his fans had his back even all those years back then.
Yeah I remember this story, never saw the pic thro but if it's really him in >>142459
holy shit. I mean, I've always expected him to be ugly since he doesn't show his face and since his gf is also ugly as fuck but damn…
No, don't get me wrong, I like him too.
The ONLY thing that I don't really like about him is the fact that he is really sensitive…way too much imo; he gets butthurt very easily even on constructive criticisms.
I also don't like when he talks about his father/terrible family life; it feels like he tries to gain sympathy or something
the person who leaked his photos matched up a lot of things from his mother to home decor and even his nephew I think. He had a lot of proof but it was a total invasion of privacy.
They did this because after finding pictures of Cry, he wanted to spite his fangirls and expose them as being shallow.
Cry didn't deserve this at all.
I wasn't aware when cry-exposed happened years ago on Tumblr but there's a tag for it and that's the photo I found. Try "cry exposed" or "cryexposed".
On the wayback machine, I could only read 2-3 recent pages off of the Tumblr blog. That's the photo that was circulated there.https://web.archive.org/web/20130125195207/http://cryexposed.tumblr.com/
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That's a VERY different Cheyenne Avila. lol.
THIS is Cheyenne. If you actually looked for Chey's photos online and verified that girl and Chey were the same person you'd see they'd have that big mole on her face. But Chey doesn't. :)
https://www.gofundme.com/28xarb86>Right, so, Cryaotic is a complete idiot of a manchild and decided that not having health insurance was a great idea. Unfortunately, his gallbladder had a gas explosion and he urgently needed surgery.
>For real though, multiple days in a hospital, CAT scans, days of pain meds, gallbladder surgery, anesthesia, time spent, living in America, etc means the bill was pretty unbelievably stupid.
>Because we all love Cry and he deserves to not owe a hospital money for 10 years, the Late Night Crew thought it would be a good idea to try to raise money for his enormous bill. All proceeds go to, well, obviously, the bill.
>Thank you in advance for anyone who decides to help out. We all truly appreciate it and wish the best for Cry's recovery.
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What the hell, Wasn't this him (pic) ?? He was exposed on a livestream?
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Holy shit she's UGLY.
I kinda hope that she would actually take the extra money and then spend it all on a plastic surgery, because she really needs it.
Went through her tumblr, which was kind of tough to do (that cringe).
She comes off as a entitled twat, and she should take care of that BPD of hers. That shit ain't cute, how is she popular in any capacity? ( besides fucking a youtuber)
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I've seen that before, the silence after the insults is killing me.
I think pic related was from an other time chey acted out, but it seems cry is okay with it? Idk I try to remind myself cry is an adult (manbaby, but still an adult) and he knows what he's doing and getting into.
Omfg this bitch, what a hypocrite. Cry doesn't want to be called by his real name, and enforces it hella seriously. Iirc cheyenne has also gotten mad at viewers before for calling him Ryan. What does she tag fanart of both of them on tumblr? "Me and ry", not just a typo (leaving off the C) because it's consistent.http://daaes.tumblr.com/tagged/me-and-ry
Way to respect your bf's wishes…
>>146411>I slept with a youtuber and all I got was this stupid blog
Why does she feel the need to say this in her blog description? It's such an out of the blue thing to say that I can't help but view it as some sort of bragging like her overweight boyfriend is a prize. Call me prude, but it's inappropriate and I don't want to imagine two chubs rubbing against each other in bed.
With that being said, the rest of her blog is creepy. Nearly every post is about her boyfriend or her being extremely negative and sperging out at people.
Didn't she start as a cry fangirl and is basically living the promoted fan dream?
>I don't want to imagine two chubs rubbing against each other
Listen to 20.45 :^)
Also listen from 19.30 on and then listen to what chey says at 20.35
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I will never understand lolcow…
>Dakota: Wow! she's ugly as fuck look at dat chin>Kiki: Wow! she's ugly as fuck look at dat forehead>Taylor: Wow! she's ugly as fuck look at dat bloated face>Cheyenne (who literally looks like a fat chimp with a fucked up jaw): Wow! She's kinda cute
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Cry's shirt on Cheyenne
That shirt shows that Cry really is fat>>147053
Personally, I think Taylor is pretty and Kota is cute. Chey is kinda cute too, but only on her selfies, and only if she does that silly thing with her mouth and covers her nose a bit. On other pics she's ugly.
I may be wrong, but if he wears 4XL and looks like >>142459
then he's not a tall guy. Poor guy lost genetic lottery in many ways.
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I am kinda confused,you guys.
You're all acting as is people cannot lose weight?
Cheyenne is obviously not fat in her recent twitter pictures.
(Unless you DO consider that fat, in which case what the fuck?)
And in the picture where she is wearing Cry's shirt she's NOT FAT and she's also not swimming in that shirt.
It most definitely looks like size L and I don't even know why it matters.
So even if the pic with the glasses IS Cry, we stil don't know what he looks like today. The picture didn't even show his eyes for god's sake.
And another example, look at Russ.
He lost so much weight during these few years it's impressive.
I just wrote >>147079
that it could go as large as 4xl but I didn't say Cry's shirt is that big.
It's also possible that Cry likes his shirt baggy, but why???
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Well at least a more recent photo
Still not even remotely fat.
What is wrong with you people?
She looks like she's a healthy weight.
Just compare her now to some of the previous images, we get that she's a horrible person, but she's clearly not fat. (And even before, she was heavy/thick but not necessarily fat.)
Some of you don't understand that being healthy and not having rolls of fat on your stomach is what makes people NOT FAT.
Meat on your body is important, anorexic-loving fucks.
And I am not a salty "fat bitch" who is trying to draw a line of justice here.
No, I'm a healthy M sized man.
And we do not call Cheyenne's body what it's not.
Call her ugly if it's your taste.
We know she's a bad person.
But Cry's shirt that is hanging on her body is L sized.
That's all, folks.
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I'm sorry but in >>147346
she is far from being thin, she's built like a fucking man
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>>147323>There is just no need to call her fat next to all this, it can bring down girs who are thicker than her…even though that body is perfectly healthy.
You can make other people feel insecure by being a little shit.
This thread keeps going in circles. Whether Chey is fat or ugly is pretty much subjective (subjective fat because ana-chans are everywhere), her behaviour is not. There's no proof fat man shades >>142459
is Cry, but according to others, that's definitely him.>>147447
Again there's no proof for anything, but the theory people are going with is that Chey keeps dirt on Cry (his face and other personal information) and she will absolutely kick up a stink if HE ever breaks up with her. Best case scenario is her breaking up with him so she won't be a vindictive bitch with his sensitive information.
I believe cry lives in Florida.
This is what google came up with for the age of consent.
"Florida's age of consent is 18, though the law contains a provision allowing 16- and 17-year-olds to consent to having sex with someone age 16 to 23. To qualify for removal under "Romeo and Juliet," the victim must have been at least 14 years old and the offender no more than four years older."
And Cry is 27 atm, right?
So if she was 17 and he was 25, he's screwed, right? Girl has BPD, she will probably use that shit against him if he dumps her.
I'm pretty sure on her tumblr she says she was legal age when she started dating him.
Either way I don't think legally she can hold that against him. I don't think it would hold up because A) they've been together for a few years B) She's never hinted that anything was not consensual C)It's kind of just the standard "crazy ex can't deal with break-up" shit
Nah, don't worry about it, anon. Nobody cares about that as long as you are a nice person.
Diet and exercise are always good though!
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She brought up past relationships of Jund's during that argument and I think that really solidified him not liking her.
He's mentioned before on his tumblr that they don't get along well (she's actually the only person on the lnc he doesn't get along with).
Cheyenne just can't bring herself to say sorry, huh.
Cry, I wish you would wake the fuck up soon and leave this condescending bitch because she's toxic. Imagine her as a housewife nagging you the whole time. Right… If you could date a fan like her, then you can find another fan who's much nicer.
I'm not fat lol I just know that if I gained ~10 pounds my face would look like hers.>>147655
She HAS to be manipulating him, holding the face-reveal over his head or something.
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Well actually I am not sure about that.
I think even if the person in the picture above (with glasses and all) is Cry, he probably changed a lot by now.
He doesn't seem to have self-esteem issues when it comes to his looks.
I know we can't say this is because we don't know what he looks like but many times over he's been saying:
''Look in the mirror, compliment, and hit life hard.'' as in how he deals with problems. Also:
''A good feeling when you drop on your bed after a long day of jogging''
''I had so many people tell me 'come on, what are you so afraid of? we won't make fun of you.' and it's NOT THAT.''
I don't think he minds his looks, honestly.
And from hearing him jump around and run in his room during streams makes me think that he's in a healthy weight.
Another thing, he took a picture of a brand new shirt they made on tumblr and surprisingly enough it was size M.
So there's all that.
Now when it comes to his relationship with her, I really can't say. I always made myself think 'I can not like Chey all I want. But Cry is happy.''
And reading all of this kinda changed my opinions and I'm concerned.
But it's really none of our business, we have Cheyenne-free content on his youtube channel anyway.
Also I doubt any of you are going to count this, but he said himself that he wasn't fat and Russ claimed there's ''NOT GOING TO BE FAT CRYAOTIC FANART ANYMORE''
And also he was called a 'little spoon' by Sinvicta. So that's the shit I know.
And then there is THAT >>142446
Also I'm pretty sure that Chey is size M
I'm pretty sure Cry has said before that he has social anxiety and is an introvert so that, along with safety reasons (he's said that people have gone to his house before), is probably why he doesn't want to show his face. So it still would be possible to blackmail him with a face reveal.
Also in >>146396
you can tell he was affected by what she said. You don't just shut down like that without being a little bit sensitive about what others think of you. So even if he doesn't have self esteem issues about his looks, he probably does in other areas.
And being that she insulted his video editing, which is something he's the most proud of, is not helping.
I don't remember in what video exactly, but he has already said before that he was on the "heavy side" and it wasn't that long ago.>>148262
Poor Cry seriously… I've always liked his videos because of how chill and sweet he is. I really hope that he will realize how fucked up his relationship with Cheyenne is
I am pretty sure it was 2013,then?
She was born in 1994.
That is exactly what I find weird, Chey is an asshole, but she doesn't seem stupid.
It is so much easier to lie about your birthdate on the internets than to fail HS that badly.
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Why did she graduate college with HS diploma and why did she have a college orientation right after her graduation?
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Actually I'll just dump some screens here
Probably this tbh, it happens a lot, especially in Kindergarten and lower grades where its not a big deal if you get held back.
For some reason I was thinking she graduated in 2015, not 2014. Now THAT would probably mean she's lying about her age. About being held back one year is somewhat common.
quality /snow/ post as usual
it's funny watching you all struggle to find the answer as to why she may have been held back in high school considering what was mentioned before in this thread. i can't believe you guys are seriously clueless. you guys are beyond stupid
Cry is also working out, are we forgetting that detail?
It's right here: http://cryaotic.tumblr.com/post/47501422838/i-just-want-to-say
Eh, I guess it's just really rare in my country.
But I'm still kind of suspicious about all this and her throwing a tantrum over the people doubting that their relationship is legal doesn't really help lol>>148688
Go ahead and tell us then
Actually you're right!
Back when he had to replay TWD since it didn't save on his computer and he did the whole…12 hours thing. There was a break time where he actually got up and went to do pushups…with his mic on.
(People were saying 'fap count?' it was great times)
I mean does it seriously matter?
And next to that is the fact that we only know bits and pieces about Cry's actual life and having these little details like 'doing push ups one time during a stream' could be a daily thing for him and yet we cannot know.
We're pretending we know too much about him when actually, we know jackshit. Only what he lets us know.
Oh and so far when it comes to 'healthy exercises' we know he's jogging, jumps around on stream a lot without really loosing stamina, did those pushups back on that livestream, posted about doing a hard workout.
So that's already a lot of healthy choices, right?
2014. Tumblr post.>>147160
2014. Picture of Cheynne.
I do not see a problem.
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Am I the only one who finds the fact that he doesn't even try to defend Chey kind of weird and not nice at all? Come on, not even "She's not fat, she's pretty" or "I love her" or something else like that?
Instead he just goes and jokingly tells everyone that basically he's with her because he'd fuck anybody. Wtf?
I'm starting to think that they are a perfect couple.
I find it funny that her answer is like>You don't know Cry but I do, and he likes fat girls>He's bigger than me
Shouldn't it be>He likes fat girls>I am fat>What don't you understand?
What does Cry's size have to do with her own size?
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So I decided to watch one of Cry's streams last night for the first time to see what they're like. They were playing some pictionary like game and Cheyenne drew something that apparently should have been really easy for Cry to guess, but he didn't get it right. She proceeded to call him "fucking stupid" ask if he was "mentally deficient" and then called him "fucking stupid" again. Then on the next round, instead of submitting a guess for what the picture was, she just put in "cry is fucking dumb". Everyone on the crew ignored her, literally no one acknowledged her weird tantrum, but as a viewer it was super awkward.
That must have happened when I went afk to get a snack. I was wondering why she was so silent during Phoenix Wright. I just feel it's telling that you can jump in on any random stream it seems and at some point Cheyenne will insult or belittle Cry.
Also I found the part in the stream uploaded on youtube if anyone else wants to watch the cringe. Starts at about 6:30.
Another awkward thing that happened during that game: someone put ''cry's future'' as an answer to a drawing of divorce papers. Cry then asked Chey ''did you write that?'' Chey said no.
But like a minute later you could see everyone's answer and it actually was Chey who said it.
So she tried to lie to his face, knowing he'd find out a minute later anyway. Kinda sad.
Cry also answered ''bitch'' on one of the drawings, after Chey called him names.
Someone even asked ''who put just bitch as an answer?'' xD
100% convinced that was directed at her.
I don't know what Cry looks like, BUT I have seen pictures of his little brother and his older sister and none of them look alike.
His little brother has darker skin and his older sister is blonde with blue eyes. She's pretty actually (slim face, slim nose).
So they're either all from different men, or they have that weird family thing where none of the siblings look related.
Oh! That makes sense. Thanks anon!>>150601
I think they all are from different men. Wanna share those pics with anons?
Literally just searched "Nathan Terry" cause this anon knew Cry's last name and his brother's first name. Also this is very fucked up since they are normal people and don't deserve to be spread around the internet.
Ffs is it that hard to respect Cry?
I can see how >>150640
could be >>142459
's mom. Lower parts of their faces are kind of similar.
this is pretty now? >>150639
y'all have some low ass standards in this thread.
Or…you know…different fucking taste?>>150650
Please don't try to connect things that aren't there. We can see jackshit in that blurry-ass photo. Besides, he's wearing shades!
half of his freakin' face is hidden.
I think his sister is pretty>>150657
Except we can see the lower part of his face on that pic clearly, and it is similar to his mom's lower part of the face. Shades do not cover that part of his face.
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Did a thing because no milk. He looks so happy now :)
Eh, at least there are no pics of him there.
I was hoping there would be some though lol
The very reason why Cry keeps his identity a secret is because of his family's safety.
Saying 'they don't seem to care' is not valid, since he's doing it for them.
And despite him making that so clear here are people exposing his entire family right on the internet.
Let him have his privacy, this was supposed to be a thread about Cheyenne.
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I regret ever bringing up that old Tumblr with his supposed photos now
You need to fucking stop
Especially as his family have nothing to do with anything
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Chey popped into tonights stream and instantly started throwing shade at Cry just for him not checking his phone. He's in the middle of something that is important to him what the heck.
Someone in chat of today's stream started talking about how Chey isn't nice to Cry and she replied to them in chat, saying "what the fuck is wrong with you".
And then people started fighting in chat, telling that person that they're not welcome here and how Cry and Chey's relationship is none of our business.
Saying that Cry is a grown man who can make his own decisions.
But truly Cry's just a big kid that doesn't know what's good for him. So rip Cry.
I saw that, and I also noticed when she came on chat she was just so quiet? She wasn't very interested or anything, and I suppose something happened that made her super sour but even then; it just reminded me of that one girl who purposely goes out when really upset so people will ask what's wrong and then shout "fuck off," or "it's none of your business," when asked what's wrong. She was constantly being rude too. :/
No wonder people comment about their relationship.
There was also a stream Cry and Chey did a week or something ago where Cry was a bit late for it (his own stream overlapped with hers because of a boss battle) and Chey got so pissed off that she made her own stream 2 hours
late because presumably she was either bitching at Cry the whole time or was refusing to stream with him because of it. I've sat in on 6 or 7 streams now and in all but one or two of them, Chey was sour and pissed off. I don't understand why no one addresses it since she just pulls the whole stream down when she gets like that.
Nobody addresses it because going against Chey is going against Cry and I'm pretty positive every single one of his friends (with the exception of Russ, bless his heart) are too scared to speak up against her
and anyone new is too scared to try. I'm pretty sure the amount of female friends has dropped to… zero? Heck even Dodger who is engaged doesn't really chill with him anymore. Minx is married with a woman, aaaaaaand there's Chey.
I was watching that stream (Cry's) and I was super bummed that he stopped in the middle of a fight. Chey was in his chat calling him names for making her stream late, so he abruptly stopped streaming.
Now you're telling me he stopped for nothing because she delayed her stream anyway?
Honestly, if she ever found this thread and read it, she would probably go crazy.
You'd have enough material for the next couple of months xD
oh man I would laugh my ass off if she found it. Cry would be all upset that some ppl on the interwebs are talking badly about his perfectu girlfriend and Chey would explode her head because we're "bullies", kek.
She can control and bitch on her tumblr which she's sort of abandoned. But she can't control anyone here.
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Yup. And then she made a tweet about it saying it was Cry's fault. And the ironic thing is the stream they do together is called Couple's Therapy.
nah let it all out bruh, this is kind of the only place we can freely discuss her without having her asskissing army (or chey herself) try and restrict us.
I think she loves him but it doesn't mean she can't be an abusive piece of shit as well. It's not healthy love. You don't act like that to someone if you love them in a healthy way.
My dude, you can still love someone and be a complete shit to them. You can still love someone and not realize how fucking horrible a person you are to them. Chey very obviously has hurt Cry multiple times in the past, and that's just what we can see on stream. People are generally always better behaved in the public eye than they are in private. I highly doubt Chey is such a massive dick to Cry on stream but a loving, devoted girlfriend in private. You do not call your boyfriend a fat fuck or an annoying asshole in front of thousands of his fans but then turn around once the stream is shut off and resume being a healthy, loving partner for him.
It doesn't matter how much Chey claims that Cry is her life or means the world to her. She does not treat him even remotely like that is the case, and actions speak much louder than words, to borrow the cliche. She probably does love Cry, but that excuses a grand total of nothing regarding her behavior.
You're right, that's still true.
I guess I'm just trying to make myself think that Cry knows what he's doing.
Sometimes I go to their stream and listen in what they're talking about just so I can say 'see? no arguments.'
But then I slap myself with a realization that if they were really a great couple I wouldn't have a reason to expect an argument in the first place.
in OP's post there's an explanation of "the zieg incident" with literally 4 links related to it and also >>142412
asked if anyone knows how zieg has been. pls.
anyways… seems like she's doing pretty ok. i havent keep up with her tbh but i just went to her twitter and she streams and seems to be semi active on her youtube too. so, good for her.
don't know how i missed the s both times.
OP here, it's ok :)
Yeah, Cheyenne actually reminds me a lot of the character Emily from Until Dawn (if anyone is familiar with it). Basically: a textbook case of abuse is if someone insults you, belittles you, treats you badly, then turns around and promises something positive or uses sex or romance as a "tease", then that's 100% abusive. Emily in the game is extremely abusive with Matt. She insults him a lot, yells at him, treats him like an idiot, then when he's like "ok we'll do what you want then we can get inside and get warm?" she totally changes her tune and says "we can get VERY warm"
I'm almost positive Chey is like that off cam. She's rude and awful on the streams and then later she's all "babe" and whatever. Obviously I can't know but she just strikes me as the kind of person that doesn't apologise and actually learn why she shouldn't do it again, she just says sorry to diffuse the situation and then keeps acting badly.
Cry can definitely do better. Even though that Coyote guy accuses Cry of cheating on Chey (publically in youtube comments no less) and he can be a bit flaky, I think he's a genuinely nice dude who is just chill. But I'm sure he's so paranoid about his anonymity that he'd be too terrified to try anything now even if he didn't have Chey.
Chey SHOULD be hella grateful. She's got a twitch partnership which brings in cash, she has people licking her ass just for being Cry's gf despite the fact she's a grade-A bitch to both him and his friends, and he's given her tons of gifts and stuff during the relationship, which I'm sure comes easier due to his income.
She should have stuck to swimming. It seemed like the one thing she really loved to do and I don't even know if she's still doing it anymore.
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OP here, it's not officially confirmed from anywhere, it's just a rumour at this point, but it's juicy if it's true.
TL;DR Cry commented on Coyote's "In the Room" video like "not cool, man" and Coyote was arguing with people in the comments like "Cry isn't acting like a cool dude why would I cover his ass" etc and hten posted this
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cba to cut out the notes but kek at the tags at the bottom "you are not his family and you are not me"
much discreet on his name, such transparency
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lol it doesn't sound weird at all that Chey would bully Cry into asking her out, tbh
I dunno what her writing style is like but without any context that comes off as extremely sarcastic to me. Like "I fully
RESPECT and SUPPORT their "relationship" and I would -never- do anything that could jeopardize it, trust me ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)"
but hey maybe that's just me being a cynical loser. Chey's answer seems more serious and honest though.
I'm still gonna keep digging, had to sleep last night :p
Okay, I went through the rest of her tumblr and found no other mention of Kiwa or cheating than the screenshot I took. So much salt, though, phew. Like swimming the dead sea in there.
She has reblogged a lot of tumblr posts about how cheating sucks, though. And tags them like "yeah" or "food for thought" or something relatively vague. Also in the start of her blog she was so sweet and nice and always happy and as time went on she became increasingly bitter and depressed and angsty, so I'm guessing it happened somewhere in the middle cause damn, the vibe between the last and first posts are night and day.
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Coyotemation's tumblr.. seems he has a real disdain for Cry now.
I'm guessing his friend he keeps mentioning is ziegs? He said that when Cry was discovered cheating he "threw his friends under the bus" rather than dealing with consequences, but I can't imagine any other friend that's no longer around other than ziegs.
it was just a prank, ziegs!
She soooo suits the character, ugh.
the official story is that she joined on a super early stream way back when it first started and they were taking callers. She happened to stick around for a bit and became friends with him.
Keeping in mind her age, and also that she's mentioned she's left him twice and he still took her back as a friend, she says that she rejoined the LNC because they got back in touch after she left, so they weren't "together" together at that point.
Which sounds both very illegal and that she just stamps all over him. Given Cry's circumstances he's not in a position to trust people easily so I can see why he would become more submissive and tolerant of other peoples' bullshit. I'd be driven crazy if I was paranoid of every single person I called a friend in case they turned on me if we have an argument, ya know?
She did not mean it like that, I can guarantee.
She's fond of using winks and other smiley faces in her texts so that was a normal response Kiwa would give~
If Cry cheated, I wonder if it was at least partially due to Cheyenne's constant degrading of him & that he felt he needed some kind of escape from that toxic relationship. >>158634
Seriously. All Cheyenne has is Cry because Cheyenne minus Cry would be nothing but an annoying crybaby bitch. Cry gave her her following & helps her sustain it by gracing her channel with his influential presence & letting her on his streams (which she makes pretty unwatchable imo). She name drops Cry wherever she can because he is the reason for her online success. She needs to get over herself & stop biting the hand that feeds.
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I know this is diverting the conversation but can we please talk about this?
Yes, because people want your negativity there.
I wonder how tired Cry is of trying to reduce her salt levels, lol. Like "it's alright bby I still love you" or shit like that.
It's true though, without Cry she wouldn't be tolerated. People have kissed her ass since day 1 and that's only bc of Cry.
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"Dating the streamer people actually care about doesn't mean an automatic free pass to everything."
Chey begs to differ lmao
The only reason she hasn't bullied away Angel (friend of Russ), Sage and Mash (girlfriends of Scott and Snake) is because they all joined the streams around the same time.
So it was 3 extra girls that Cheyenne had to share the stream with. If it was just one, she probably bitched at her till that girl felt the need to leave aswell. But Sage, Mash and Angel all get along really well, so Cheyenne knows she's outnumbered.
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Just in case others wanted to know what that "Keep Reading" says in it.
from what I understand Cry totally forgot to invite her and she turned super salty.
Like ok I won't lie I'd be a bit salty too. But I wouldn't air my salty laundry on tumblr where literally MY BF AND HIS FRIENDS AND ALL THE FANBASE can see it. Keep that shit on the downlow. Rant at him on skype or text him or something, dude.
There was one time that made me really mad, and it was such a small thing she did but it was annoying. They have the "Topics" they put in chat for people who wanna know what games they'll be playing right?
Well one of the mods set it up, and Mash, Sage, and Angel were joining so the mod had to put the names down too. The mod put Cheyenne's name first, and then the others.
When Cheyenne saw it, she wrote something like "Good guy, Liberty (mods name in chat), my name is always first." or whatever. I have no idea why but that pissed me off because, she would be the type that would wanna be the center of attention. Dumb, I know but whatever.
sorry, posted before i finished.
cont: curious to see how she's going to respond considering how heavily her salt, abuse, & pathetic ways are discussed
Where do you think you are? We LOVE drama.
Personally I'd like it if she found this thread and chimped out at us, but she probably already knows about it.
On the one hand I'd internally lol if she found the thread because unlike tumblr or twitter or even twitch, she literally can't do anything about it. Even if her minions come in here, it'll just make it funnier to point out the reality of her abusive behaviour and watch them defend it with every scrap they've got. She'd mope on twitter or twitch about it but she really can't do much, and even bad publicity is still publicity, so she'd still bring attention to the thread. It's a lose-lose situation for her, even if she gets her ass collectively kissed afterwards because "muh feels".
On the other hand I kind of feel iffy about the pics of Cry's family in here because I feel like it gives ammunition against the thread. I mean, I am 0% related to them but I feel like we lose our "side" when we aren't just flinging shit at a salty bitch. Then again, if they mentioned it, it'll just bring more attention and make people curious, so….
their best bet is honestly to keep quiet about it. It has info Cry doesn't want people to know about, it has a lot of smack against Chey which she doesn't want.
Lowkey want her to say how superior she is to us hat0rz because we just waste our lives on here, 24/7, talking about someone we don't know about, kek.
I haven't found anything out in the open about them. I'm just going on a hunch based on her behaviour lmao.
I'm just theorising that because there is a strong
pattern of Chey driving away female gamers that get near Cry. Minx is probably the only one that's still "around" and she's a lesbian. Dandelion was a series that people really enjoyed; Cry and Dodger get on really well and they seemed to have a genuinely fun time. It had all the qualities to make them continue it.
And yet they stopped and now just keep giving vague excuses?? If they even address it at all. Dodger (somewhere on a stream or a Q&A?? I can't remember) was basically like "yo dawgs get off our damn back about Dandelion, it'll happen at some time kids, it'll happen" and I honestly couldn't tell if she was annoyed at an external factor that was preventing them from playing together, or something else.
Does my rambling make sense? It just seems to be very "push under the rug" and Cry doesn't get into beef with anyone, and Dodger only has beef with Rosanna Pancino (used to be her roomie and really good friend until a lot of shit hit the fan) and day9 (who is her ex), so neither are salty people in general, it doesn't add up
The more likely answer is that Dodger and Cry are both flaky fucks and have a history of not addressing discontinued series out of laziness and unwillingness to "disappoint fans."
I hope your answer is right though. It's much more entertaining.
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Beyond her answer, I find it pathetic and hilarious how dumbass fans rush to other people like "what is your opinion on [other youtuber]?" why is it relevant to their lives????? Unless it's directly relatable, what's the fucking point?
I swear, my faith in humanity just goes to negative values every day.
Honestly though her answer is kind of disturbing. People under 18 sometimes don't get it and end up in situations like that, and don't always completely get what they are rushing into. They might feel happy or special that someone of Cry's calibur, or even at anormal standing someone of an older age, take interest in them. Its disturbing that men of that age would go for someone so young, I don't care if its "their fault for getting into it," if people younger start having sex. Just because everyone is doing it or a small percentage is, doesn't make it right in any way. Like who the fuck says its the kids fault for being 16 and finding interest in an older man and that man being 21+ and finding sexual interest in a kid? Cool, age of consent and all that, but its still disgusting .
Sorry, personal experience with this kind of stuff and it just rattles me knowing that people blame the younger party. I don't care how unpleasant Chey is, knowing that cry had sexual/dating interest in her when she was under age makes me cringe.
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also this. she's been so annoying this stream.
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The whole time she's been yelling in chat to Cry to stop playing Secret Hitler.
Did chey misspell girl as grill there? I've not seen people play secret hitler so the context is totally lost on me lmao.
(semi unrelated to chey but I wish Cry would play oxenfree because he would totally love it, I think. I just finished the first playthrough myself)
ah thanks anon, I didn't catch that.
Of course she'd be "joking" about it. It's her "humour" after all.
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This is from the late night chat, I believe it was last saturday, when they were playing GTA with racing or something.
I've always notice that when things like this happen, when people in Chat call out Cheyenne for her dumb shit, she tends to put chat in sub mode. Which is annoying, whenever they're attacking HER ="chat's being stupid".
I'm also pretty sure there's quite a lot of people in chat that don't like her, but they don't say anything cause her 'fans' would white knight her.
Someone on her tumblr asked her why her and Red don't get along well and she gave a reply like "why don't you go ask Red what she did that made me dislike her, go on :^)" (emoji included)
basically made it sound like "why not ask her what she did, GO ON, make her uncomfortable!" but since I never followed Red or Russ I didn't bother checking>>163071
there is a general 3edgy5me behaviour that a lot of youth have and thankfully most grow out of, but being rude isn't cool. It only works in personal relationships or if you make it very obvious you're kidding. I often use emojis to show that I'm not being serious and I choose my wording to convey that, so far I've had very few misunderstandings.
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Here ya guys go. "I thought we buried the hatchet." Bitch you never even gave it a chance.
I stand corrected on the emoji, hah! But yeah the general gist of the message still stands.
Trying to fake superiority by making others out the other person involved, real classy.
I'm digging through her tumblr atm. Found this post that I absolutely bet is about Chey and Ziegs. Ziegs and Red met up IRL for the first time round about this timeframe so yeah probably very relevant
"You can’t shame people into defeat. They’ll just get more defensive, and you’ll seem like a self-righteous asshat. If you really want to win an argument, you have to empathize and remain very sensitive to the sources of the other’s feels. If you can’t empathize because you just can’t understand them, talk about it n ask em (don’t condescend, and stay out of yer own head when listening to them). It can only help to do so, as they will begin to understand that you are treating them with respect and are trying to make progress. It has been my experience that if you do dis, you find the real problem along the way n’ people who started as rivals sometimes become friends~
"It’s my personal opinion that you can tell a good amount about someone by how self-righteous they seem to be. Most times, whether or not they are right, they don’t know or understand the entire scope of the situation. Usually, only the people involved, or that had been there, have all the information. Makes complete sense, right? Yet still, many hear a sliver of a one-sided story, and decide that is enough to take up arms and do some damage.
I don’t think it’s enough… And I think the expediency at which the self-righteous move to act betrays what appears to be a maliciously self-aware demeanor, meaning they can, and likely will, hurt everyone they think will be a suitable target (often in the same way a serial killer picks victims - with a personal touch). So, that’s why I have beef when someone begins to hurt (anyone) after half-assed judgement and thinking they know truth, when all they know is rumor. I feel like situations are generally more complex, and that when we as humans do things worth judging harshly, we tend to judge ourselves and bare the curse far harder and worse than anyone could inflict upon us individually. If you step back and look at the big picture there, it’s nothing but a mountain of pain and anger. …Who the fuck wants that to grow and flourish anywhere in the world we share?
I think most folks that know me well would say I have a decent amount of tolerance towards people, in general. That said, this is the one thing - harm for harm’s perpetuated sake - that I cannot do. I would perhaps understand better if harm came accidentally along-side something with good intentions, but the privileges I speak of checking now don’t fall under that grey area.
Edit: This is context for situations on the internet. If the self-righteous person is irl, then they have more resources to obtain the truth. I can only speak confidently about matters in which all information is communicated via text or voice-only. Especially just text. You can often understand a story more thoroughly when you can see and hear the story-teller at the same time. For example, body language can imply exaggeration or a potential lie, thus giving us a more thorough idea of what actually happened. You may also be able to speak to other witnesses in person, or locate physical evidence. Complex facets could be distinguished. This is grey area to me. Harm for harm’s sake still isn’t. That’s about as black as the void it creates."
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She's literally talling about people coming to conclusions on the internet blindly.
This whole thread was just murdered by that whole statement.
Nah not really, most of what we have here are links to typed out events or videos, so we aren't pulling shit out of our ass. There is repeated documented moments of Chey being a grade-A bitch to both Cry and others, nothing can change that.
The speculation is pure fun and gossip and has no effect on our lives beyond this page, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nice try, though.
It was mostly just because he made vids with pewds in the height of his popularity.
it's obvious he isn't popular because he talks about gender equality, that's just silly
He obviously tries to pander to his fangirl audience and if he is fat that would explain why he likes to indulge so much with his fangirls, considering he probably had a hard time getting a gf without his YouTube fame.
it's funny how people called pewdiepie a creeper for saying rape jokes when he was a teenager but damn atleast he cut that shit out, I wonder if pewdiepie is even friends with him anymore
to be fair his fangirl audience is creepy to a disturbing level. His voice is relaxed and pleasant, but the way they… act about it is godawful.
At that point you either have to let it slide off you and ignore the really inappropriate comments and fan art or whatever, or you call it out but then you start doing it once, then it spreads somewhere else, then you're eventually wearing yourself out trying to control a monstrosity. >>163723
oh man that's gold, she's TOTALLY not in it for the e-fame or the money or subs, nope, not at all. Her justification is like "well he's my bf and he lets me and why not" bc that's her answer to everything.
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Cheyenne just a while ago in LNC stream chat. Such bullshit.
"and they don't understand that sometimes people don't mean what they say"
You mean… like YOU? HMMMMMMMM?
The fact that people need CONSTANT justification every time you are a rude bitch means the exact opposite of what you're saying, Chey. Not that people have a strike counter but damn, it's usually just between the people involved, not all over the goddamn internet.
She pisses me off. I need to punch a pillow. If Chey was a guy and Cry was a girl tumblr would lose their shit.
Well that's why she's kinda off tumblr actually. People in the fandom called her shit out a lot so she left and ignored it lmao. But I agree. >>163912
She was defending herself, since people were calling her a bitch. I laughed when I saw she commented that in chat tho.
This last thing you said tho, so true. Imagine if Cry was the one calling Chey fat and stupid so often.
People would freak the fuck out. Cause what asshole talks to his gf like that.
But because Chey's a girl she's considered a badass?
She's a bully and a manipulator, no excuses.
She was getting anon hate but a lot of the time it wasn't really smart, constructive criticism but mostly just the usual tumblr stuff, not to mention for some reason the whole "cry is a pedo" stuff pushed her over the edge. Probably hit a nerve lol. >>164027
That's the thing. I hate the romantisation of shitty people like Chey or Snape or dr House (sometimes, he can be right a lot of the time but he's still terrible to his coworkers). Snape was a bully of fucking kids because he was too bitter because he had a twisted, unhealthy idea of loving someone. Chey is not badass, she's not edgy, she's a bully and abusive. Whether she means it or not.
A lot of people imagine abusers to be evil people lurking in the shadows rubbing their hands in a mastermind-esque manner while cackling softly. The truth is most abusers don't think of themselves as abusers. But that's what makes it abusive. Because the victim doesn't see it either and so they just take it because they don't understand how it works or how it manifests in anyone.
Yeah, considering his past, B is the most likely. I lowkey wonder if he's so adamant about his privacy because of people in his past life he'd rather stay away from (like old parental figures, if you catch my drift). It's not "yeah I keep it off youtube but here's social media or the rare selfie of me", or "I make appearances at events but I prefer being discreet", he straight up deletes his presence off the internet, period. Even Geek Remix that I really enjoy were very mysterious with their faces and they explained why (creepy people in their life) and now they show selfies and vids and such with themselves in it, it took time but it happened.
Not even people from school have shown up anywhere like "yeah I live in Florida and I know this dude", if there wasn't affirmation of his existence through other people I'd straight-up believe he was a collective hallucination by the internet.
So even by the very nature of his position on the internet he's easy to victimise. If he trusts you and shares his life with you (aka Chey) she automatically gains a ton of power and could get away with a lot on the basic fact that Cry would never want to piss anyone off. How would you know if any of your friends would lose a bolt in their head and expose you if you annoyed them? How could you TRUST someone that way? If I was Cry I'd probably turn into a rug to be walked on as well.
Wow, I never thought of his presence that way and now that I think about it, yeah! Usually /someone/ comes forward eventually to point out that know someone, especially at Cry's calibur, but there is no such thing! We hardly get any insight to his life unless he gets sick or something. The only people we know who know him are the original few that started gaming with him, and even then that's not a lot. Chey often points out that Cry never leaves his house and at first I thought she was joking but no, its straight up believable. That man does what it seems like everything in his power for none of us to know anything about him, unless there is a slip up like with his brother saying his name.
That's kind of terrifying?
He's mentioned going for slushies or the supermarket but he goes really late at night when the likelihood of being spotted is almost zero. Otherwise yeah he stays up all night playing videos or streaming and will sleep all day. I've been in that loop when I didn't have a job, it becomes extremely easy to get into that upside down pattern and it's convenient for him. So since he's likely sleeping all day he won't be out and about. Unless it's a vacation so he's not recording.
Heck, even when he had gall stones not a single nurse or living soul from the hospital has said anything (to my knowledge at least). Did nobody see his name, hear his voice or like… watch Cry's vids and also work at the hospital and was like "whoah Cry has gallstones, this patient has gall stones.. what are the odds?"
I don't doubt he slightly alters his voice. Probably makes it a bit more bass than it actually is. But he's got a very recognisable inflection and way of speaking, a kind of slurry casual manner, but surely a fan would hear him somewhere and it would click.
It is kind of terrifying when you think about it.
It must be really tedious to do that kind of stuff, to almost be in cognito or like he's on the run and hiding from the fbi lmao. That's what it seems like almost, because i mean while he does go out late because that's just when he's up, he does it on purpose to an extent to keep from being noticed. I wonder if anyone has approached him, but he said a while back if that did happen bed try his best to play it off and act like he didn't know what the heck they were talking about. Even so, if it hasn't happened it will some day, probably, and that might be scary for him. Going through all that effort and being noticed all of a sudden. I might just drop shit and flee if I were in his place.
Heck Id be worried someone would just take a candid and run to the Internet haha.
Shit man anxiety can do a number.
Oh totally, I'd be paranoid with a capital P, if I was him. I couldn't talk to someone, not even the person at the counter, because what if they recognised me? His brother probably can't bring friends over from school because he's already mentioned that kids his brothers' age are fans of him. Imagine you're friends with this kid and you go to his house and it turns out his weird, secluded brother is a youtuber you love and admire. His sister is really low on the radar and that's cool because she has nothing to do with it, so whatever.
Heck, what if he's out with Chey and someone recognises Chey? She's got recognisable hair for the most part, and 90% of the fans of Cry also know who she is/what she looks like.
I'd have died from stress a long time ago if I was him. I honestly wonder if it's worth it, sometimes.
Yeah me too. Cry apparently pays Chey's rent.
Which shouldn't have been a surprise to me. She doesn't do anything besides play videogames and stream and that doesn't make her enough money to live off of.
wait what?? he pays her fucking rent??
what the actual fuck. She doesn't get a normal job to have some personal pride and accomplishment? Like paying rent for a while to help a friend out is okay I guess but I'd bet my teeth she would never bother, just stream and mooch off him.
I'm mortified if someone buys me a cheap coffee, I can't imagine someone paying my rent like that. Is she still living in Vegas or did she move to Florida?
Another thing I didn't think of, I forgot they were fans. Yikes what a thing to explain, I wonder how many times his little brother asked for people to come over only to be told no/have to tell his friends no constantly. That really stinks and Cry must feel bad about that. Or maybe sometimes they come over and he just stays in his room like usual. Tbh he probably sleeping anyway lmao.
I'm kind of curious if people recognize Chey more often than not, doesn't she live in Vegas or something? She probably goes out more than he does.>>164408
It doesn't surprise me either but seems kind of low to me? They aren't married or anything. She could make the conscious effort to keep a real job(I say that about her because she's not top tier like cry who can afford not to work.) She's a capable human being, albeit rude AF, she could take care of herself. I wonder if she "bullied" him until they "came to a mutual agreement" about this as well. :/
Seeing as he supports his family financially it's probably like the "thing" like "your brother keeps us living comfortably and helps us stay afloat so don't try to make his life more difficult", or maybe he probably is just sleeping a lot. I actually thought he didn't live with his family but it seems he is, still.
She probably planted the idea in his head about moving and kept at it until he made the suggestion himself, then it was his idea all along. Typical manipulative tactic. She finished university too, he didn't even do that AFAIK.
I honestly wonder why they aren't living together yet. Chey's made lots of references about marriage/kids with him and she's finished uni so what's holding them up? I dunno but I wish Cry would see her actions for what they really are.
I didn't know she finished university, I thought she'd only just finished high school a couple years ago? Although Associates degrees are a thing tbf. Does anyone know what she studied?>>164402
If he has to talk to someone in public, he probably speaks a little higher than normal, maybe enunciates more. He probably has to lie about his job to his family's friends. And I didn't even think about it before but he probably can't go out with Chey very often, she's too recognizable. OMG what if Chey isn't even dating him, she's just a decoy that he hired so that he can go out with his real girlfriend??!?!?!11
Damn I think I made a mistake, I don't think she ever did uni?? Although I'm sure she had, or maybe I'm really confusing American school terms. Sorry guys, I don't think she ever did.
Which makes it worse tbh.
Honestly if she wasn't really dating him it'd be a relief but she still is an ass sooooo lmao
It's okay man it happens. America is weird.
It does kind of make it worse though. Does she really have any work experience, or is it all been sweet, easy candy since she started off with cry around her finger when she was 16 or so? She's always sort of had that, I'd assume he's been there for her financially a long time.
You're wrong about the rent thing. She literally said in that gta stream someone linked some comments earlier that he pays for her rent.
And you're right about the house, he only lives with his sister, her baby and her boyfriend. I think his brother lives with his mom.
She's still living in Vegas.
Didn't Cry once mentioned in a stream that they are waiting for his niece to go school, so like his sister can get a part time job and her own house.
He'll probably still support her but if her kid is in school, she has nothing else to do so she will probably get a job.
And I don't imagine Cry wanting to live with his sister and her family for the rest of his life.
Chey is probably waiting for his family to move out so she doesn't have to live with them. But that's just me speculating.
>>164601>I start to think she was coddled as a child and got a lot of what she wanted.
Well, maybe it's because she was left with just her father (her mom died), and he did his best to raise her right..by doing it all wrong?
I mean that's a situation that happens, where a father thinks he can buy his child their happiness..through all the toys they wanted.
I think he's genuinely the type of person to be happy taking care of his family and the people he loves. I'd probably do the same thing without thinking about it, whether or not the others should accept so easily cough
I'm not gonna lie I'd be so embarrassed and feel like a failure if I was constantly being supported for everything. Getting help in a rough patch is okay but being dependent on someone financially would make me really depressed and unproductive. But that's just me, I'm really stubborn in those types of things, the "don't ask for help until I'm stuck in a corner" types.
What's sad is that I found her old instagram which was her personal one and it seems totally different to who she seems to be now. It had friends, interests, hobbies, activities. When she was back in school. Now with her being both recognisable and with a wealthy person, she might not even attend college or uni. Why should she? She's getting cash on the side through her own twitch partnership and she has Cry.
You are right, that does happen often. Or, maybe it was the opposite? Could have been the other way around and the second someone offers her escape/comfort/money she'd snatch it. Either way, I don't blame her but he could go about things much better knowing she /kind of/ makes money on the side. Who knows, maybe she's letting him pay for things and saving up on her own to move with him or do something with herself? Or maybe just for the future. >>164630
She's got a comfortable-ish life, why should she have to go get a job and work and deal with people? I have a friend like that; they don't have to work because their family and boyfriend takes care of them. They pay for things occasionally but they always get what they need for free. So they don't bother trying to find work, they don't really use to.
Also the Instagram thing is sad. Wish she was still like that. I like the idea of past Chey.
It's all good, I don't mind.
When I was 15/16, he was an older man about 21 or so. He was very interested in me and told me stuff like "you are much more mature than you seem, dating someone like me is what you should do!" And I was happy then but the man was really sexual and manipulative and I highly doubt the relationship you have or had is like that but he'd make me miss school so I could talk to him and would tell me not to listen to my family or whatever. I acted out because I wanted to be so cool and wanted to impress this guy, but the fact was he was a horrible human being who alienated me from everyone in my life to get me seperate from everything and man idk he just made me do things no 15 year old should do and it fucked me up after lasting 2 or so years(I was 14-16, 15 when things started to get grotesque.) He'd treat me like a child some days and a grown woman others, try to come down and visit or buy me lingerie. At first he was some shy guy who I took interest in but I realized the shit it was later on.
I ended up in 3 or so abusive relationships because I thought that's what it was supposed to be like, and it was very similar to that relationship with the older guy.
oh wow I'm sorry that happened to you. I understand it a lot better now, thank you.
Yeah I get how not all work like that, but I think it's basically at what phase of your life the people are at. A four year difference is not dramatic but it can seem huge if one is 16 and the other is 20. But 25 and 29 is not that bad, for instance.
I can imagine playing with cry and his friends when you're a fan and then getting close to him must have some effect. I mean markiplier's ex that was a fan never really got over that "fan" mindset. On the other hand jacksepticeye is dating a girl who was his fan and they are very normal, just goes to show tbh.
It's all good, I'm in a healthy relationship now so no worries.
Yeah exactly, it's when people are young that it seems to mostly have a negative impact. When people are older, it's different.
For Chey it must've been so thrilling to get close to someone like that, especially when they are so popular and efamous(is he efamous?) I don't blame her for hopping on that shit, but at the same time I'm iffy with Cry's age at the time of them meeting/dating because I've been there and I don't assume it was like my relationship but she was so young and could have dated someone in her school or town and things could have been different for her. The changes from then and now are so black and white.
Who knows man.
Whaaat pewdiepie started dating Marzia when she was underaged? I don't really pay much attention to him but watch him occasionally because he's a qt3.14. It ruins him if he's a creep.
I tried to confirm by reading the thread but I had to skim through too much personal blogs and gave up.
She was 19 when they started dating and he was 21/22, it's not creepy at all. I didn't mean to imply here >>164706
that she was underaged.
Quite a while back Cry said that only one person has recognized him and that was due to being with Chey at an IHOP together.
He then said after that he was grateful to the person as they didn't 'release' anything about Cry's appearance
Or when Sp00n did it.
Though I think it's not that easy for someone as paranoid as Cry when it comes to the safety of his family.
As Red once said:
(Sadly the post has been removed, this is as much as you can read.)
The rest pretty much says that "he loses himself. He won't be able to speak openly. He won't be the same person, I guarantee it." And "But some people can't say no to such a tempting challenge." And finally that "Much more is at stake than you realize."
Just because people know what his face looks like doesn't mean the persona of his voice is gone. It doesn't mean that he has to facecam every time he plays a video game, or post a picture of himself in every thumbnail. Like I said, it's a band-aid. It needs to be done, ripped off suddenly, because I guarantee you that cry is too wrapped up in something he doesn't need to be wrapped up in.
The stuff at stake is much much less than Cry realizes, or his fans realize, or his friends. Once it's over, he'll realize there was nothing to be afraid of.
also>a broken youtuber
lololol that's all of them
That was just a post Red made, back when people were way crazier about his face than now.
Also I don't know, I personally enjoy not knowing what he looks like. The fanart is also a great deal since everyone can use their own imagination.
You can't deny that once the face is revealed the art won't be the same.
And he defintely enjoys staying anonymous at this point. He realized it's one of the main factors of his persona, and as much as he wants "safety" for his family, by now it's his own enjoyment as well.
It has to be.
I still choose to believe that he's super ugly a la >>142459
and that's why he won't show his face. He likes being drawn as a hot guy. He doesn't take it as a call to improve himself so that his reveal can be nice or underwhelming, he wants to stay a fat fuck so he hides and gets paranoid when his hot guy persona could disappear.
No one's stoppin' ya from believing that.
One day we will find out, that's for sure.
I don't see what's stopping him from getting on a workout routine or something and doing a face reveal on his channel. They could even cook up something like having his ugly past pictures revealed by an unknown source, and Cry "bravely" shows his actual face after "working hard" on living up to his persona.
Like, the fans would eat up a sob story like that. Then he can go back to not posting pictures, and every time someone asks, they'd just be directed to that video.
Just because you 'believe' that, doesn't mean it's true.
And because it's possibly not true, it's the reason why he hasn't done that already.
Also in this thread there's a link to one of his posts where he was complaining about a workout video.
And that TWD stream where he was doing push-ups live
I don't know. I just follow something that makes the most sense with grunting & counting while away from the mic.
I can't possibly know.
Also yeaah but you also have those times when youtube workout videos are really fucking tiring, as he was implying in his post.
I'd still rather go with information gotten from what he's said/done than what you believe baselessly, sorry.
Nah, baseless assumption would be assuming the person I'm replying to is related to cry in some way, maybe even cry himself.
The claim that cry is ugly and insecure is just a plain ol' regular assumption.
It's fun though.
God damn it this is not he first time someone assumed I'm related to Cry in this thread.
Idk why tho, if we all agreed on every opinion here there would be no arguments..kinda boring if we don't have a defender.
Anyway yup, sadly there isn't nearly enough fanart of Fat!Cry D:
Oh it's not your defense, it's your speech patterns. If you read out your posts, they're in the same cadence as an LNC conversation, peppered with the same exclamations.
But as for defense, it's just not the way gossip forums flourish. I reckon the people in /pt/ probably agree on most things related to the lolcows.
If he reveals his face, there'd probably me more fatart around. There's a lot of chibi animations of a lot of bigger youtubers/streamers.
Welp I did learn my English from them. There's that.
Also I have no absolute idea how threads work, I just found this one randomly.
I always thought you get more info when you have people in an argument; since they bring up facts and sources which made them think the way they do.
(Idk if I should take your 'you speak like they do' statement as a compliment, but ey I'm going to.)
It matters only because some people think it's his reason for not showing what he looks like.
And now that I think of it, that actually might be the reason or one of the reasons why Chey and Cry don't live together yet.
If they only see eachother a couple of times a year then the chances of him being photographed or recognised are very low, compared to if they would live together and go out together more regularly.
She's the thing that gives him away.
What kind of goody two-shoes fan doesn't speak up at all about it?
Real talk i'd be grateful too for that person but dammit I'm nosy and I have no life.
As far as I remember, he lives in a house and supports his sister & niece. He even bought his sister a car, he said it was for the baby (well when she was still a baby, she's a toddler now). Cry himself doesn't drive, he's scared of driving.
I also remember that Chey goes to University of Las Vegas or something. I think in one of the tumblr asks, she mentioned that she wanted to be a teacher like (for elementary or kindergarden I believe??). I can't imagine her doing that at all with her impatience and temper.
But I'm not sure if she's still going to school right now since she hasn't posted anything about it. So yeah, her only 'job' is streaming/mooching off of her bf.
There was one time that Chey visited Cry in Florida and they mentioned in a stream that they were going to go to Disney World,specifying the day, and people in the chat were worried cause crazy fan girls might try to stalk them. So I always wonder if people actually recognize Chey..and then see Cry.>>164536
I remember he mentioned his family was not really financially stable growing up, so maybe he wants to give back to them??? Idk that's just a guess tho
why would Vegas paps care about the girlfriend of some gaming youtuber?>>165116
Someone who's mature and respects the fact that cry doesn't want his face out there? Not everyonue is hunting for drama, ya know?>>165473
keemstar talking about cry's real face would be the final nail in the coffin. He'd not only have leafy and gradeA to deal with anymore, but gaming youtubers (especially pewdiepie) would call him out on being such an ass.
Just a correction in all this,
I'm pretty sure Cry drives.
He hinted it a few times while talking about traffic.
There's also a post on tumblr where he took a picture of a car in front of him while being in a car.
About the drama regarding Cheyenne's agehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4udNIucoDk
This video pretty much explains everything.
Ah. You're one of those people.
Tbh Snake's or Russ' are the best.
Also I feel like this thread has gone a bit downhill. Maybe.
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I agree. I think it'll die down until Chey fucks up again, which will most likely happen.
I recently noticed that Zeigs still streams sometimes. It makes me sad, like almost guilty even though I couldn't do anything as a viewer. She was such a great part of the LNC crew, but now we're stuck with this girl with her bitchy and whiny behavior.
Oh yes definitely. Would not want to start any drama or cause any negativity for Cry and the chat. >>166099
I agree with that as well. I try to watch Ziegs sometimes, but her schedule is kinda random so I miss them once in a while. I was actually watching a lot of the old streams the other day, and it was just so.. different. It was light, and fun. It's crazy how much the atmosphere has changed because of Cheyenne.
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Welp, time to leave until she's not there anymore. Lmao.
oh wow, talk about showing your true colours. Inb4 "it's just a joke"
Cry is seriously the only thing she's got going for her. What a husk of a person. Everything she is is revolved around Cry, that's sad and infuriating because she doesn't even treat him well.
I donated and shared a story last night because Cry helped out a lot when I first started watching him, he was a good distraction. This was before Chey and other drama, so he was pretty chill and great. So, I wanted to donate and let him know, and seeing Chey say that?
It makes me livid. Like, how fucking low and self righteous do you have to be to say something like that? No, Chey, we aren't donating to YOU; we are donating to Cry and trying to help HIM live HIS life. I get it, you are his girlfriend and all, but don't you think for one second any of this money was donated with you in mind. We didn't hit "cheer" thinking 'wow! this means Chey, the rude human being who likes to shit on her own boyfriend, will be able to visit cry!' Nah, fuck that.
During the time people started donating and getting deep with their messages he said this comment, I don't know when it was directly, but that time stamp is about around the time I think.
Someone also had asked how he did it with Chey and how he was able to have a long distance relationship. He said "Well, the thing is… The thing is… (long silence) You distract yourself, that's what I do, and… it works okay." that was basically it, and he didn't even respond right away. He was also babbling about the game during it, and not talking about his relationship fully. It seemed like he was at a loss for words, like he couldn't, or didn't want to, answer.
His exact words were: "I'm being toyed with like an old doll … That's okay, I'm used to it. It's fine."
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Well that's depressing.
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>>166793>be me>girl in my class is wearing a nirvana t>think about them at home and decide to watch that doc where they claim Courtney killed Kurt>decide to ask the girl her opinion, she must be a bigger fan, she has the t>next day>'Do you think Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain?' >'Who's Kurt Cobain?'
true story(nice blog post)
Im glad I found this thread. Ive had a problem with this bitch for years now. About 2-3 years ago, several different fan blogs and 'cryaotic fan porn' blogs started popping up FILLED with nsfw fanart. These blogs were adreseed by Cry and he pretty much said that he didnt mind them, since he sees 'Cry' as a character and fully supported one blog in particular by reblogging her art, leading her to have thousands of followers on her tumblr and patreon. She had a few different art blogs that grew very popular and successful and one blog dedicated to cry, LNC artwork, and nsfw art revolving around him. When Chey caught wind of this artwork she went fucking ballistic and started a witch hunt to get these blogs taken down and have her white knights report all of them… EVEN THOUGH Cry had CLEARLY stated that he didnt have an issue with them, and even reblogged the artwork himself. The 'Cryaotic Porn Blog' had then randomly been removed off of tumblr along with the other 3 or 4 unrelated blogs the artist owned with NO WARNING. Even her personal blog had been terminated, forcing her to rebuild all of her hard work from scratch. I have gotten in touch with the blogger since then, who has no idea to this day, who exaclty was responsible or why all of her blogs were taken down. From what I understand they were a large portion of income for her. Chey basically shit on her and didnt give a fuck afterwards when it was brought up again because what they were doing was 'innapropriate.' None of these blogs ever depicted any LNC girlfriends, so in reality, she was probably just feeling overly possesive and left out because she wanst the center of fucking attention.
I'm pretty sure he does. He'll do anything to make sure his little innocent princess is comfortable.
But yeah, I remember that drama. That artist didn't deserve that no matter what type of art she did.
I guess it's the
"Well it makes a loved one feel uncomfortable" thought on his end.
I agree he could've talked to her about how that little thing shouldn't affect/bother her..
But we all know he likes to stay out of things.
Anyway I don't remember this drama at ALL, but I think I know the artist.
I felt like he shouldve addressed that it made Chey uncomfortable and that he would like it to stop, but he didnt. His fans basically said they'll stop when Cry says they should stop. Instead of handling this like a normal person and asking Cry to tell his fans to stop drawing porn of him, she started acting like a wild gorrilla: blocking and shitting on the people who brought up Crys comfortablity with it all. idk if she even directly messaged the artists to complain. She just sicked her dogs on them instead. She also pulled this type of bullshit with a cry confession blog, which just sort of faded into ambiguity instead of being terminated. She called that blog creepy and pretty much said those who write a 'cry confession' saying that he 'saved their lives' was just a creepy and wrong since they dont even know him like she does.
It sucks for the blogs involved.
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This also reminds me of the time when Cheyenne went berserk on fans for loving 'Pewdiecry'. Saying something along the lines of "It's gross hearing/seeing your bf/gf being with someone else other than you". Which IS understandable, but it's the fact that she said she could care less, and that she used her fans to pretty much bully people who even mentioned 'Pewdiecry'.
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Not sure if this was meant sarcastically but she's so fucking snotty
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I mean, I understand wanting to show off your boyfriend and all. But the way she does it, makes it seem like she's still in that "fan phase" (just like someone in this thread said), and like she wants to be known as the fan who got noticed by the youtuber. Incoming more photos.
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god, there's the true sign of a fuckhead right there.
No please go on, let it out. I'm back from my trip so I can finally be around in the thread rather than just stalk.
Ugh the "I have him in reality" is such a jab at the fans. She has such an immature "neener neener" attitude about it. As much as I find marzia/cutiepie a bit inflated in her importance (idk she thinks she's the creative genius and she's really not) but at least she's nice and she's never had that attitude with freaking PEWDIEPIE.
The difference in character is astounding, frankly. It's the difference between a large and gentle dog that wants to chill next to you and get pet, and a small yappy nightmare that barks obnoxiously and bites you all the time and never leaves you alone.
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This is the dumbest shit I have ever seen.
SonOfLiberty is the mod on the stream that REALLY kisses Chey's ass.
Probably to not get on her bad side
Well that is true
But Chey has been the cause of other people leaving or being affiliated with LNC.
So it's possible that she can 'kick out' SonofLiberty, or at least make him not a mod for chat anymore.
On her stream, she was pretty much complaining.
She was mad because apparently Cry only gave one of the wins to Alex because Cry wanted to prolong the game, and she was done with it.
I'm like 98% sure she wrote Cry during it too about it.
She's been on Cry's streams quite a few times now, but she's mainly friends with Russ and hangs out in his streams.
I think she's chill and pretty funny.
It was probably wasn't that great because half of the players in the game were new to it. I think they just all need to get the hang of it first, they did the best they can with it.
I agree about Chey tho. She just gave up on playing the game. In the game you're basically suppose to be a convincing sales person for an item(your cards), but she just gave up half the time and just showed her cards with a "take it or leave it" type of attitude. Then she left near the end of the game, making herself look even more ridiculous :/
Oh, yeah that was my first time seeing her, but I've been too busy to watch a whole lot lately. She was pretty funny!
I just got upset seeing Cheyenne create such an awkward atmosphere by refusing to play the game really and just disappear. Seemed really rude to the guests. >>169088
Oh, really? Was she streaming her side? I didn't know she did that. I'll have to look. And I thought Alex was really funny, it's mean to say he only got the win because he wanted to prolong it.
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That was in response to this.
But I looked for anyone talking bad about her in chat and I couldn't find anything
She's so salty jeez
Chey needs to chill, it's not the end of the world. She's just ruining it for everyone else by acting this way, like a child.
Someone once mentioned that he would flirt with underage girls all the time when the streams first started. And I think it was a couple people who drew fanart, and a couple people who were "famous" in the cryaotic fandom.
But it's one of those things where you either believe it or don't. No one really knows except for those who are 'victims'.
It's weird how there are no video evidences despite it being on a stream, either.
I know BattleStar was the one who flirted with underage fans, and he was kicked out of the crew because of it.
I feel bad for dismissing people's "victim claims" but there's no evidence to prove otherwise :/
Thank you for clearing it out a bit!
I mean I feel KINDA bad about these supposed victims, but the thing is.. all of this stuff would have HAD to happen on the internet. It's not like a case of it happening in real life and there not being a chance for there to be proof.
Messages, IMs, Skype calls, whatever. There would be proof.
As for with BattleStar, there was tons of proof. Tons of skype messages.
But with Cry, a huge star, there's… nothing? Absolutely nothing but girls that won't come forward, or even anonymously release screenshots or anything?
I honestly just have such a hard time believing it. At all. All I saw on those blogs were they were "too hurt" to come forward and that just sounds like utter bullshit to me, honestly.
In that case, I just think it's angry fans trying to spite Cry for whatever reason.
I agree with you.
Though since I am relatively new to the fandom (livestreamwise) and I don't know much that went down. So if anyone has links to BStar drama I'd be really thankful!
Ah yeah okay I read that one before. Was about all I could find.
Though I still think they're strictly against flirting with minors.
Last time they played Snake Oil on stream they had to sell items to a "pedophile" (Cheyenne in that game)
And the atmosphere suddenly got waay too awkward, no one made jokes and they were clearly uncomfortable.
That sounds juicy. Anyone have a clip of that? >>169964
What a fucking bitch. She's the one who says "is just a game" but also got upset and quit because she didn't win? Or sounds like Cry just told her that to appease her, and her black soul rejoiced at the idea of hurting someone.
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I feel bad for Matthew.
Ew Matt Mercer should take a hard pass on Chey and fuck me instead hnnngg
I'm genuinely curious as to how she feels about being referred to as property to be given away in a will. Would she think it's funny, or would she be offended? Or would she pretend to think it's funny because her ~preshus cry~ said it?
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She's so nice to her guests, also her boyfriend. :)
Oh my god I saw this and tried to see what it said and failed horribly.
What does it matter who he invites? It's his and Russ' stream. Seems like she isn't a fan of Angel. (Though it's not a surprise.) She's such a bitch.
I'm pretty sure the second those other 3 girls joined the stream for the first time, everbody already liked them better than Cheyenne.
I certainly did, I never liked Cheyenne. Those other girls were the breath of fresh air those streams needed.
Thanks, I was a bit confused how it started.
"He messed up anybody could've messed up" Then why are you blaming that ONE person Chey??
I'm not sure if that's a first time in a while Cry ACTUALLY scolded Chey for acting like..well the way she is.
Chey saying he's overreacting, when Chey is usually the one that overreacts and gets salty half of the time during games.
There are times when she just straight up leaves a game in the middle of everyone else playing, which sometimes ends the game for the rest of the team or she just argues like a freakin 4 year old through out the game.
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I'm sort of annoyed and weirded out how SonofLiberty (a mod of LNC) literally kisses Chey's ass so much.
Bruh, you don't got to go that extra mile to please her.
This was during the recent LNC when they were playing Phoenix Wright, Chey's voice acting is the blandest shit ever out of all of the other LNC members.
Granted, I don't expect the BEST voice acting. But Chey is basically using her normal speaking voice…which is already shitty and awkward. Everyone else is messing around with their voices for each character and having fun with it.
Even when Witwix joined them last time when they were playing this, he actually seemed to be having fun with it. Which made it pretty alright to watch.
Yeah, that happened once when when Chey was in a hotel and couldn't join for LNC Night, but apparently she could've played ONE game (I think it was Jackbox Party pack).
And because Cry didn't asked, especially since she's in a hotel..so hotel wifi sucks, she just kept bitching and groaning about not being included that ONE time.
She starts drama if she doesn't get invited, she starts drama when she is there. Sadly there's really no way around her. It sucks. >>171898
I see this all the time too, and honestly it's so fucking annoying. It's come to the point where I have him blocked now. I wouldn't be surprised if he jerked off to her every night. Sorry for that disgusting image.
They're probably referring to this:>>164990
though I have no idea where they got that assumption.
They didn't get it anywhere, it was the example of a baseless assumption.
Wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the LNC knew about this thread though. Comes up pretty early in google.
I just might believe that Cry's and Chey's relationship is not going to last.
He's finally speaking up and actually arguing.
If that's true, that's just stupid. I don't know why you'd stay with someone you're unhappy with unless you're scared of something happening.
Like he's scared she'll release things on him, or his face. I'm sure she's threatened him with all kinds of things. I mean, why would she leave? He gives her an audience, money, a little bit of "fame.".. I'm so positive that's all she wants from him.
Bless this gave me life. LIFE I TELL YOU.
Fucking gaslighting. Trying to paint the other person as irrational and emotional when they actually instigated it. She sounds exactly like my sister does, if I had fur on my back like an animal it'd be on end now.
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I don't know if it does have to do with Cheyenne, since Sage comes into her streams at times, and even hosted hers last night. But the only other thing I can think of why she would leave is: she couldn't take any hate comments on youtube, and also has stated it's hard for her to talk in the LNC group.
I can say for sure that Sage didn't leave because of Cheyenne but because she was mean to the other girls, other than cheyenne, and it got awkward. Her leaving was a good choice on that end.
cheyenne seemed friendlier to sage than the others.
this is off-topic, though, i guess.
I'm still a bit confused on this. Sage is Jund's gf right?? I don't remember seeing the hate comments targeting Sage though. I don't remember Sage being mean to other girls, she's usually quiet I think.
I keep mixing up Sage and Mash since they both join in at the same time for a game or two.
I do remember a time they were playing Secret Hitler and everyone was targeting Sage as a fascist, mainly Angel, due to her being quite and suspicious. She explained that it was her first time really talking to them and playing the game so she was very nervous. They ended up shooting her and she was actually liberal. I remember Cry felt bad afterwards.
I'm having trouble trying to find the video of it.
That wasn't her first time. She had played secret hitler with them several times before. Sorry, all the meanest for her was behind the scenes and I speak from what I was told by the other girls. Apparently Sage bullied people alot but then would act like the victim. Seems super similar to Cheyenne, so maybe that's why they got along. But, sage is better at hiding how mean she is to others.
I know what SH you mean though. Angel thought she was fascist and Sage got upset for whatever reason but that was like the 4th time she had played it with them.
Now the question is: Do we prefer the person who is mean and open about it, or mean and hiding it?
I think i'd choose the openly mean one. Since you know what to get, I guess.
When you go into a relationship with a secretly mean person they might surprise/disappoint you.
Speaking as a bitch myself, (we're kind of all that way), I think it was good of her to identify when she wasn't working out with the party and taking herself out of it instead of forcing the entire group to be uncomfortable just to say she's a part of it. Instead of complaining to her boyfriend to kick the girls she doesn't like off the stream, she goes herself.
I think bitchery is okay, and she obviously has a good handle on it, since she can turn it off and on (the hiding it stuff).
I agree with you that both her and Jund can be really up-front, but that's probably good when they're combating with people like Chey.
People like Cheyenne prey on people who are "nice" and will let things slide. If Sage is as bitchy as people say she is, she would not let any fuckery Chey throws her way slide, and that's scary to Chey.
So it's not surprising Chey is nice to her.
Arrogant dickheads don't put up with bullshit. That's why Jund and Chey butt heads so much too.
Not anything like screenshots, just from what I've heard from them directly. Unless you're referring to Sage playing with them multiple times on Secret Hitler.. then technically yes? but it would take a long time to go through latenightv2.
of course the girls haven't openly said anything against her, because that would be inappropriate i think, but sage has already said on her tumblr that people "didn't get along" but didn't go into specifics.
oohh I see. Now I understand.>>172225
I agree, unless you actually KNOW her behind the scenes, she's pretty much low-key about it. In a way it's good cause it doesn't cause a big conflict in the group, but you also have a sense that that person is coming off as fake. I also agree that Scott can be a bit of an ass from time to time but he's,in my opinion, way more tolerable than Chey.
It's funny how Scott and Chey are not by any means friends, they butt heads the most among the LNC crew. Yet Scott's girlfriend apparently also acts similar to Chey (in a sense)>>172230
Yeah I definitely agree. Sage seemed to have handled it well without causing too much drama, compared to how Chey tends to act.
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Sadly Cry has deleted the VOD. Luckily I got SOME screen shots (kinda), but they wouldn't make sense if I shared.
I wasn't able to check out TGI tonight.
What happened? I thought it was alway Cry and Russ that play on Fridays, not Chey D:
I remember Cry mentioning on twitter that Russ was 'missing' but…>>172745
Even if he does there isn't much he can do, unfortunately. I mean this is already a big thread enough as it is.
Share them anyways! I'm curious.>>172751
I think Russ was just missing for D&D. He was there tonight. Cheyenne wasn't even on the call, she was attacking him in game.
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Basically Cry and Cheyenne argued over switching to Horde on World of Warcraft (switching teams pretty much, if people don't know WoW), then after that she continued to be a cunt after that. Telling him what he was doing wrong, complaining about the other players, etc.
Then Cry actually called her a dumbass at some point (for a reason I don't remember sorry), which made her go full rage mode and quit the game. Cry started to ignore her tantrum when she started talking shit to him in the twitch chat, then tried to get his attention through skype and steam I believe, then back to the twitch chat.
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Here's the one comment I got of her in twitch chat.
omg she is contradicting herself SO MUCH. Seriously Chey, why don't you check yourself every once and a while?
I guess the weekly 'Couples Threapy' stream isn't improving it either
No doubt about it.
They probably argued and Chey probably said along the lines of "Fine just do LNC without me", making Cry feel guilty and cancel. Making Chey the 'victim' here since she didn't 'force' him to cancel tonight.
Chey didn't just ruin it for the viewers, she ruined it for the rest of LNC crew since Saturday Night Streams are basically part of their income (Not Chey's income).
Great going Chey :/
Jesus, what a spoiled fucking cunt. All because Cry and other people wanted to roll Horde? And Cry finally stands his ground and she EXPLODES, as to be expected. She's used to getting what she wants.
I really hope she isn't blackmailing Cry, because this guy seriously needs to move the fuck on.
She ain't worth it bruh.
She wasn't tweeting anything for quite some time now.
But if there is no stream, I'm sure we all know what might be happening
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This could have been taken a funny way, but because we know how she is and how they are currently, it just sounds super hostile.
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Welp, Cry and Cheyenne's relationship is back to "normal". And Cheyenne confirmed in chat that Couples Therapy didn't happen because Cry slept in, but they are doing it today.
Was a good run of Cry not putting up with her shit while it lasted.
This is just depressing
Whatever Cry's trying to keep away from his fans and the internet in general; he needs to let it out and dump this crazy bitch
People know and in the beginning (like in the months after everyone knew they were together) people also spoke up about it.
Now however, most people are afraid to talk about it, which is why they have to resort to threads like this and tumblr and such, because if they talk about it in the stream chat, they are very likely to be banned by cheyenne or a moderator.
And I also think most people that did talk about it to Cry and the others, now don't talk about it anymore, because Cry and the crew obviously don't do anything with the information their fans give them.
Like the best thing would be for everyone who has problems with Cry and Chey to stop watching Cry (streams and channel) so Cry realizes that people are serious.
And maybe he stays with her because he likes being abused. He's said that before. He's so used to it that it feels like home to him.
No one likes being abused, that's fucking stupid. He's just scared to act for a bunch of reasons.
I wouldn't wrap up the crew with not doing anything with the information. What are they SUPPOSED to do? The LNC is a big part of their income and its okay to keep work and personal separate. They can't force him to leave her.
They can highly suggest it, like when her sister had a baby and she was "helping out" for 3 weeks. She was really just suspended, but she made Cry's life miserable. You could hear it in his voice when they started.
He should have straight up left her but he's obviously just too fucking scared.
I agree with not watching but I also think we should speak up more.
>>174241>"No one likes being abused, that's fucking stupid."
Then why is there a thing called "masochism" and people who are "masochists"? (and I am not JUST talking about the bedroom play)
Or, let's look at this is a different way. Why is "self-harming" a thing? Sometimes a person gets too used to pain and abuse that this person slowly makes it as a place for comfort, that they consider being in pain is a normal thing. Which is why these people resort to inflicting pain on themselves, because it comforts them.
Those are all very different things. A person may feel like they DESERVED to be hurt. Doesn't mean they ENJOY IT.
and Masochism is definitely a bedroom thing when it comes to enjoyment.
No one ENJOYS making their life a living hell. They convince themselves that's what they deserve and they accept it.
Cutting is a whole different topic.
I was the one who posted the comment about him liking it, and I didn't mean that it makes him happy, I meant, like I said, that it feels like home to him aka it's how he wants it. I thought that was obvious.
How many people stay with an abusive partner (verbally or physically) even though so many people tell them that they should leave.
Not all of those people are afraid to leave. Some of them don't know any better. Or they love their partner regardless.
I feel like unless one of us as a degree in psychology, we probably shouldn't be weighing in or speaking false, misconstrued beliefs.
We don't know why he stays with her. It's obviously a very abusive relationship and is very sad but really have no idea what Cry thinks about it.
I just really wish he had the strength to escape.
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I love how he clicked on the Reddit page and the side just said "Submit a fail"
Either way though, that was pretty chill.
I mean I don't think you could do anything but laugh at that stage having realized just what you did if it were you.
But maybe that's knowing just how I'd react.
Though the email is still pretty present nonetheless unfortunately.
apparently Chey's sleeping schedule is messed up so she missed pretty much half of the LNC schedule. So it's been pretty great without her during that time, Cry even decided to turn off sub mode early for the night.
Right now she's playing with them, but since she's quite I'm guessing cause she's tired.
soo so far the stream is doing alright
I don't know why but this annoys the fuck out of me: https://twitter.com/_daaes/status/775957642472599553
It's like she's saying "yes i call pewdiepie by his first name. i am co0L"
I know it's kinda stupid but that's how I felt when I read it…
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ugh. Just….ugh. Literally anything she does or says.
LOL, she's not invited??
So the crew really does hate her too.
Might be because it's her moms birthday today or something. But then again she's usually muted during D&D unless she has to talk.
I was so excited for them to start up D&D again until I heard she was joining. It doesn't seem like her type of thing at all.
This just in:
Cheyenne Avila is a hypocritical cunt????!
Cuz it's all about Chey all the time, it's the Chey show!!! :')
I like how it was reasonably suggested that she come an hour later if starting an hour earlier was such a problem and she just blew it off instead of actually answering.
How does starting ONE hour earlier take up "so much" of her day anyway? And if it does, her coming an hour later is a good solution, but you could tell that massive amounts of butthurt were boiling up but somehow she managed not to lose her fucking mind like she always does.
What time does the stream start for her time? I need some context since I don't follow these dweebs.>>176816
Does have work/ school? Isn't this basically her income? Its one hour of playing video games, I think you could handle it lady.
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Found this on her blog. Thoughts?
She lives in Las Vegas, so it starts at 8 for her.>>176840
She says that, but she's literally answered how long they've been together before.
I mean technically it's been stated that she doesn't get a cut of LNC stuff. But, she does usually stream her perspective and she's partnered, so she makes money that way.
I have no idea why she would care about jumping in later unless it's just she wouldn't have control of those couple hours and they might actually have fun for once, which we know Cheyenne thinks is completely unacceptable.
My guess that would be part of his own cut and not the other guys'
Not that that changes anything for Cry, Since he gives her everything she wants anyways.
Well the people who don't want her there need to grow some balls and speak the fuck up, and say they don't want her there. In the mean-time, if she puts in just as much work as anyone else on that stream she deserves some sort of cut.
She is still a cunt tho, and if she isn't getting any money then she has 0 say on when the stream starts. IDK why people just let her walk around acting like she owns everything.
Lately she really hasn't been though. I get not wanting to play a certain game, but when it comes to her, she purposely makes herself sound uninterested and hardly does shit like with Phoenix Wright. Instead of sitting out and not ruining others fun.
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve to get paid, but she doesn't do any work at all when it comes to the streams.
Also she hasn't even been streaming on her channel. I feel bad for her "fans".
Barring a money issue, I think the reason she's upset about joining later is a control/ feeling left out thing. She's gone full retard before about being left out of streams because she didn't have internet and shit, so she was probably offended that they could POSSIBLY consider doing anything without her willingly for even 5 minutes, let alone an hour.
She really doesn't understand what of little importance she is. If Cry stopped being a pussy and dumped her today no one would give a fuck and the streams would only increase in quality. No one would miss her. She'd probably make a fool out of herself blowing up twitch chat crying for attention until she got herself banned and that'd be the end of Chey.
I don't think it's an issue of "growing balls." LNC is their JOB. It's kinda hard to speak out against someone who has your boss' balls in a vice.
Plus, we have no idea what they say about her behind the scenes.
To add on this, they're very clearly not friends with her. They try to ignore most of her outburts. Or on twitter, when someone asks about Cheyenne going to TwitchCon, and she says she's not good enough.. no one speaks up. No one says anything about it.
Got nothing nice to say, might as well say nothing, I suppose.
Exactly what this says. You chose to be in the spotlight. You choose to treat people like absolute garbage. You did that where everyone can see, don't cry about the fact that people are absolutely fucking sick of you.
Just leave the LNC.
No one wants you there. I'm sure even Cry doesn't, so he can stop trying to cover up your shittiness and tantrums with really awkward laughing.
I can't believe you threw a fit about them starting earlier when I've seen you stream before the LNC a ton. You host yourself in Cry's channel.
You just want control of everything and you are just so fucking sickening. Get your own life and stop leeching, you fucking cunt.
>>177144>Any reply to this statement will go unseen and unanswered
Hahahaha typical Chey, can't take what she dishes like the fucking baby she is.
Get some therapy so you can sort out whatever issues that make you such a vile bitch to everyone around you including the man who made you even remotely relevant and loves you despite your glaring flaws and near daily abuse towards him. Consider mood stabilizers. You're fucking neurotic.
I'm torn. I feel like it go either way. It does kinda fit her? And I think she could try to write it in a way where it seems like someone else so she can make it look like that someone other than herself will fight for her.
But it could definitely just be some crazy sjw that sucks up to cheyenne constantly. There are a handful of those.
Jesus. I feel like you and >>177144
are the same person. Calm down.
YEAH, FUCK HER
I only watched a small part of his editing stream and right when he started talking about his home situation.
He confirmed that he lives with his sister and his niece. Before it was also his sister's bf, but he moved out after cheating on her. And how all the pics in the house of his sister, his niece and his sister's boyfriend are now replaced by pics of just his sis and niece.
And how he felt that his niece looks less happy in the new pics. And that he is helping his sister mostly bc of his niece. How he just wants her to have a good childhood.
His sister doesn't work and is now in college again, which he is funding aswell. It got quite emotional :/
Jesus. Just listened to that part of the stream now.
No wonder Cheyenne is such 'bestfriends' with his sister. They're both moochers. Cry's such a nice guy and too many people take advantage of that.
I'm pretty sure they're talking about a tumblr ask she once got.
Some anon said "I would be a much better boyfriend to Ryan than you"
And she pretty much just said "Dont ever call my boyfriend by his real name" or something.
That happened a long time ago, tho.
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thats what i thought. I also have some of those tendencies and this seriously fucking sounds like they literally just got in a huge fight.
and plus she bullys the shit out of him so even if this was said without anything from Chey i bet he really just feels like hes nothing and could never get anything better then her
She says shit like that all the time.
Except it obviously bothers her. It bothers her so much that she responds to everyone who says something bad about her openly. In chat, she bans them. She responded to those on tumblr when she used it, before tumblr turned on her. Every time on Twitter. If she didn't care, she wouldn't respond.
But, oh, she cares so much.
She thinks she's making herself look strong but it really just makes her look pathetic.
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Even though there's this between Kiwa and Cry (which this was on the tweet cry made announcing him and Cheyenne are dating) I kinda don't believe Cry cheated. I feel as if maybe that's what Cheyenne has him believe he did. Like maybe he did something as simple as talked to other girls without her being there (which would explain why she's so hellbent on having no females around) and she made it out to be that Cry was cheating on her so he wouldn't talk to any females. Sorry if that doesn't make sense at all. I'm bad at wording my theories.
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Also there's this.
I feel like Jund was told to put up a happier outward appearance towards her.
Like I said before, when she said that she wasn't good enough for twitchcon, none of the crew spoke up. None of them said "you know that's not true!" or "we want you there, Cheyenne!" because none of them are actually friends with her. She's the boss' whiney girlfriend, nothing more.
kinda creepy that she screenshotted that and it just so happens she's able to use it for an ask. she probably keeps it stored in her files.>don't ever call my boyfriend by his name
geez, really? this sounds as ridiculous online as it does if she said that to someone irl.>>177658
yeah that's what i was thinking.
Honestly with all their bickering and arguments hitting streams even more now, I can only imagine their off-street life. Maybe it'll finally hit a tipping point and Cry will realize he is tired of being with an abuser and user. >>178514
Lol! I bet she's sad that only a very small handful of viewers care about her, and really the only reason they do is to get to cry. :'(
Poor Cheyenne, no one wants that bitch around, how terrible.
Well it was like 2 people that were like "it would have been better with you!" but most people were trying to get details.
I personally love that she's just straight up saying she wasn't invited.
No one wanted her there. She isn't liked by any of the other members. If she was, she would have in the very least been on TeamSpeak with Cry.
I did a little, and it seems Cheyenne doesn't really show up as much. Unless he plays WoW I guess..
But there hasn't been a Couples Therapy yet, so I wonder what happened. She'll probably say "He slept in" again.
I was there for that! I saw Russ say all of his girlfriends cheated on him, too. I guess that's why him and Red broke up?
I also thought it was weird that Cry can see when other people are getting abused but can't see the signs in his own relationship. It's sad.
That's what I was thinking too. I really hope that wasn't the case, but if it was, then I understand why he just completely shut her out.
And exactly! It's so frustrating and upsetting. I was tempted to ask a question that was pretty much like his situation to see what he'd say.
I mean it makes perfect sense that he shut her out completely, now. I had wondered why it seemed so cold.
I wish you our someone had asked a question describing his relationship! Would have been interesting to hear his response to it.
Let's hope he will for his own sake!
I am more worried about Chey's reaction if Cry actualy leave her…
bits system has always confused me
how much does that convert to?
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This was like the last 5 minutes of the stream last night. It really wasn't a big deal. He just doesn't like FNAF, but I guess he's just tired of dealing with the fanbase of that game. I mean not everyone is going to like every game, I don't see the big deal. >>181302
That's Exactly what she was referencing, which is bullshit. She says whatever she wants, sometimes some real cruel shit, but if people get angry then she was "just JOKING wtf is wrong with you!" it's bullshit. She's just a cruel fucking person.
There's video after video proving it. Like telling Cry he's unimpressive. Or getting angry because she didn't win Snake Oil and forcing Cry to say he just gave Alex a win because he felt bad.
Anyone notice last night during GTA she has to constantly say she won, or got farther, or someone messed her up and they're so fucking stupid… She is just insufferable.
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I don't know if this person frequents this thread or something, but damn dude.
This shit is stupid. It just adds to her being able to vicitimize herself and whine more. If you're going to berate her or attack her on something, attack her about the actual shit she does. The things she says. Her horrible behaviour. This doesn't help anyone and honestly just helps her case.
I wholeheartedly believe we should be confronting her on the bullshit, though.
Sorry if it came off that way. I was more saying shit like that tweet is pointless and to use your energy for better shit.
But honestly who gives a fuck, terrible people going to be terrible people and if Cry was smart, he'd have left her over a year ago. He hasn't, he doesn't seem to be leaving her now, so it is what it is.
Hate the bitch though.
After seeing that, I feel like I'm at that point where I don't wanna deal with the LNC anymore if they continue to make Cheyenne believe she isn't the problem, as well as abusive to Cry. If anybody can't say something to her, then I don't wanna watch it crumble.
It doesn't help that Scott and her seem to "get along" now.
I agree, it seems like everyone just tries to ignore the problem.. but that's probably because Cry is the boss. I'm pretty sure all of them are full-time streamers..
But after so long of having to deal with her I'd personally be so fed up having to deal with her.
It is getting pretty frustrating though. I tend to just, try and watch the streams.. because I enjoy the guys so much, but I mostly just watch their solo streams now so I don't have to hear her ruining everything.
Exactly. I would just start watching their TGI streams, but I can't make it most of the time. But I love that Angel has been joining them lately. >>182277
I did a bit, but they had friends in the teamspeak thing so I suspect they didn't argue as much.
I mean they have D&D on Wednesdays, I dunno why she wouldn't check before going out, but Snake did say it was his fault, so I guess he didn't tell her?
I dunno the whole situation seems really weird.
the actual vod is only like 11 minutes long
he just got salty and shut it all down
Well Angel had already started a D&D before the LNC one started I believe, but another one without the others? That's hilarious. Though kinda saddening since Cry was pretty excited for Snakes campaign, and Snake works really hard on those. But then again, what do you expect with people who don't get along? >>183314
I was there for that, it was pretty great. It's funny because it seems like Cheyenne thinks they are all "buddy buddy", but Witwix is just ehh towards her. >>183322
I honestly think it's because of that kinda fit Cheyenne threw towards him and someone else on her stream.
Such a nice start right?
Kinda bullshit that she's acting like such a debby downer just because she's hungry. I get being hungry sucks, but just sit out on the game and go get something. It's not that hard.
Exactly. Just wants another reason to bitch I guess.
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So I checked out that 'LOL!!|gtav' video, and in the comments section someone had asked "why is cheyenne such a cunt?" to which this was what Riskem had to say. Also there was two other people who had commented but it was really just one trying to explain Cheyenne's humour, and the other was joking about her fans or something idk lol
Don't get along? I've seen Angel on their Friday show doing D&D with just Russ, Cry and Alex.
So is it she doesn't get along with Cheyenne either, and that's why she didn't invite Cry?
Honestly who could get along with Cheyenne? Especially when it's a female. Sage has been the only girl that has said nice things about Cheyenne and honestly that just seemed fake as fuck.
I totally forgot about that screenshot where she was upset Angel and Alex were joining.
I seriously can't see anyone beyond people who suck up to her and legitimately terrible people who like to see others being hurt ever saying they actually enjoy Cheyenne. I really wish they'd kick Cheyenne off and bring Angel in, she always is upbeat and everyone seems to have a lot more fun when she is around. Get Mash in there too. Fuck Cheyenne.
I think Cheyenne lured Sage in somehow just so she could "have a female friend from the LNC that likes her" since she's had too many problems before with others, if that makes sense.
But yeah, I'm all down for getting Angel in there. I wish they'd just announce her already.
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hey everyone! I found this By digging a little Bit on cheyenne's Tumblr. then I found the replied post on instagram AND cheyenne's replies in the comment section. those are one year old but still gold!
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They've been together for, what, 3 years? And he doesn't even live with her yet. Makes excuses for it.
I figure he KNOWS she's bad news, but is too scared to leave, but is able to control something the best he can. I doubt he has plans marrying her.
Same, that definitely was the peak. Far cry from the 8k they usually have now. I'm sure he excuses it away, instead of admitting to himself that it's Cheyenne.
Last time I looked in on cheyenne"s stream she only had like 150 viewers and Russ gets at least 500 on his own.
Even if you ignore the hate, it's hard to ignore the numbers.
I'm pretty sure Cry once said that he thinks his viewers are ''growing up'' and are therefor not watching him anymore or not as much.
I don't believe that's true tho, plus the amount of people watching youtube only got larger, which only makes the older channels bigger, because they have the advantage of being well known already.
I remember getting up at 4.30 am every sunday just to watch the streams. That was when Red was still around. Then Chey joined and her and Red didn't get along. Then Red left. Then Chey and Ziegs didn't get along. Then Ziegs left. Then I left. I used to be a subscriber on Twitch. I even unsubscribed from Cry for a while, because I was so upset about the way he handled things and let the Late Night fall apart.
I still hardly watch Cry anymore. And only watch small parts of the streams that are uploaded to youtube.
I lost a lot of respect for Cry, but I'm still hoping he finds some courage.
I mean, I agree with what you're saying but Red didn't leave because her and Chey didn't get along.
She left because she cheated on Russ and then Russ and her broke up.
but yeah, the rest I'm with you.
I thought that too but the silence after she said that, the chat being full of 'check Skype' with Cry giving no acknowledgement of it and no kind of explanation on Twitter
Shit might've actually gone down
I think he tabbed out at some points so he was in the Skype convo so I don't think he was avoiding her, more like avoiding giving chat an explanation
(if that makes sense)
He hummed and interacted a little with Civ to break the silence almost
He does sound off. I wouldn't be surprised if it's got to do with last night's events.
But guiz it's NBD stop freaking out
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Cheyenne is attached to Cry… but Angel is totally replaceable. She seems super down in chat, I think>>186977
is probably right
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To be honest, it upsets me kinda that we won't really ever know what they are arguing about. I know it's their right not to tell all but when they do this shit so much it gets tiring.>>186977
I feel like that's what happened too, and maybe Russ finally stepped up and said something about it.
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Hey everyone, it's actually been a month since I visited and I'm glad I was able to catch up. >>186989
Yeah, I just saw that tweet…it's really iffy. No explanation at all. Like yeh there was in the twitch chat, but not everyone has read that you know?
Also, I did see the recent TGIF stream, I came late but I was actually there when that happened. Chat was going a bit overboard wanting Cry to check his Skype.
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Yeah, Chey left a message after the TGIF stream was over. I could catch it straight from herself, but someone in chat copied and pasted it.
"And I wanted to be with Cry"
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chey tweeted this just now. i wonder what's happening lmao
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continuing from >>186992
I also found this really funny. Someone in the chat said "Don't check Skype" and then got banned, pretty sure it's mostly cause of that instead of the banned words.. Really Chey really??
welp.. shits going down.
If it gets real bad, like unresolved, I would give it a month or so of even more inconsistent streams, videos, and whatnot. :/
this pisses me off even more. so what if they went overtime? he's allowed to dedicate his time to other things other than you. goddamn.>>186995
"hi im cheyenne and i like to make it look like im not the problem"
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