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Raging narc woo-woo queen who permanently disabled her child through her own stupidity and now flouts her brain-dead daughter for insta clout.
>Crunchy instagram nutritionist, self-proclaimed empath
>Refused any medical assistance for her birth, wouldn’t even go to the hospital after 3 days of labour
>Got her pussy waxed before so she could take birth pics for instagram though
>Refused to take her daughter, Luna, to the doctor until she was skeletal and constantly seizing
>Luna’s brain is completely fucked with cysts, basically no brain tissue left and no hope for recovery
>Luna’s condition, multicystic hydrocephalus, is unheard of in wealthy countries because it is almost 100% preventable
>Robyn herself admits everything was ruled out except for birth injury
>No doctor willing to operate because Robyn waited so long it is totally futile
>”Mainstream doctors REFUSED to help my little girl!”
>Treats Luna with crystals and energy healing instead
>Finally find a doctor willing to do the useless surgery
>3 years later and Luna’s condition has only worsened
>Claims she can talk to Luna telepathically
>Claims Luna has psychic powers and is a master reiki healer
>Births another child totally unassisted but this one turns out fine; almost totally ignores her healthy child in favour of her spud
>Spends her days taking selfies with her brain dead child as a prop
>Also sells classes through instagram on how to be a better empath and tries to shill her MLM
>Entertains herself by scamming charities and companies into giving Luna free shit, including custom-made glasses that she sent back because they weren’t custom enough
>Luna is blind.
>Luna has “started school.” How Robyn plans to teach a child that is deaf, dumb, blind, and unable to move except for seizures is unclear.
>Robyn has obtained an assistive technology device meant to help children with disabilities communicate
>Must prove that Luna is able to actually use it in order to keep the device
>So far has not been able to show any thing of the sort, even in carefully edited instagram stories
>Luna’s cysts continue to grow, destroying more brain tissue as they do
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Hmmm sounds oddly familiar
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I actually miss Claire and Lola and grieve for them weirdly. I guess they where special girls after all. I’m glad they’re at peace now and Lola no longer has to be dressed in a lobster costume and have pictures of her taken in a boiling pot. That was kinda fucked.
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What a surprise to see Robyn and Luna here on these particular farms on this fine day. To add to the OP, I think one of the most abhorrent things Robyn does is that she uses her daughter - who she gave such a devastating brain injury - to promote and shill various woo-woo products or clothing.
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Luna and her younger brother, who had (by comparison) a lucky escape from the birth canal.
even better, when Robyn wanted to go to the hospital during her labor with Luna when shit started to hit the wall, he convinced her not to go. he plays dumb but he’s as insidious as her.
that and he lets the toddler play with weights in his garage gym. disaster waiting to happen.
Yeah, it’s been a while since I looked it up but the doctors investigated after she was born after she took her to the ER something crazy like two weeks after she was born, severely underweight and never crying. They ruled out all genetic issues and basically boiled it down to her birth. The Labour was three days, she was in agony, she was on the verge of giving up but her wacko husband and the second midwife who came (if I recall properly the first one was wobbling and may have wanted her to go to hospital), she praised both for talking her through it and encouraging her to have Luna at home.
When she was pregnant with her second I believe she sorta… alluded to getting help with her delivery and then still went ahead, full throttle and had her woo woo birth at home.
It doesn’t seem like either set of grandparents are overly involved. And Luna is repeatedly subjected to all kinds of feeding therapies (especially so she can have “mamas milk”), physiotherapy and occupational therapy. Dragging her poor little body around, holding up her oversized head, shoved a shit tonne of toys in her hands just so when she seizes they can squeal and ooooh at her for rattling a toy. Things might of changed since I last checked in but as far as I know, she also took her off her pain meds and like some twisted freak show lies crystals on the soft parts of her skull instead.
I read through the entire KF thread one weekend and it’s the absolute horror show you’d expect, this is all just from my memory. I think insta/blogger mums are bad enough, but they’re even worse when they’re exploiting not just vulnerable children, but vulnerable, disabled children who can never consent.
In a horribly twisted way Luna is the perfect baby, she’s a little doll for her mother to shove in peoples faces and force them to accept her, call her a warrior mother, all whilst parading her around all dressed up, never crying, never objecting, never learning and playing, just laying there, existing in her horrible pain, endless seizures, unable to see, speak or hear.
her new thing is healing vibrations, she’s been shilling the Healy device for a little while now. as well as reiki, essential oils and crystals. she’d forego eyedrops (Luna’s eyes never close all the way) and put essential oils in her eyes instead. horrifying.
>she took her to the ER something crazy like two weeks after she was born
iirc it was more like 3 months
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That poor fucking child
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Robyn got Lunas speech and language pathologist to recommend her for this AAC device trial. The videos of Luna “using” the device are just her involuntarily twitching and Robyn pretending it’s intentional and that luna’s communicating and making choices. It’s extremely sad to watch.
Wait she’s gone from putting coconut oil in her eyes to essential oils!??? That poor little girl.
What the hell is wrong with this woman.
Oh gosh your right! For some reason I thought it wasn’t that long and they’d taken her to the hospital much sooner, but no she was a few months old before they took her to the ER.
I had another glance through her KF thread and had to turn it off. I’m not even a mother and it would have struck me as odd immediately that she didn’t cry or put on weight. But Robyn just kept shoving her tit in her mouth because mamas milk cures all (and she had no maternal instinct at all?) and waited until things were so bad she clearly had no other choice but to see a doctor.
>>1447122>put essential oils in her eyes
I am going to be sick, fuck cowtipping, anyone who can, call cps/dcfs, you can't legally torture a child, and that one
has no plausible deniability; bitch put the shit in her immobile child's eyes, it happened
I appreciate that it’s only her brain stem that’s likely working now, but it just destroys my heart. That poor little girl is so innocent in all of this and is completely taken advantage of. Even if she can’t feel anything, where’s the compassion for her as another human being.
Even if she can’t feel the essential oils in her eyes. Who in their right mind would do that to a little girl. It feels more like she’s some kinda fucked Auschwitz experiment than Robyn’s daughter. People are usually careful what they post online, if she’s prepared to put essential oils in her eyes then what else does she do that she doesn’t post pictures of and put online.
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what? All she has is a website and Insta and they’re both still working fine for me. Maybe she blocked you on Instagram?
Luna is really old for someone with her condition, it tends to kill quite quickly for… obvious reasons. As fucked up as it sounds I hope Luna can pass away quietly soon and be free from her life of constant torture. >>1447334
Her instagram is still up. Maybe you got blocked?
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This is the latest post from her instagram. The way she ascribes her own emotions to Luna is chilling to me. Luna is not excited for school. She's not nervous or happy. She can never feel any of those things, ever, because she was fucked over before she even had a chance. It's okay though! Robyn can just decide what Luna's feeling!
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She hid it pretty well until it was no longer hide-able. But around the 8-9 month mark Luna’s head had already reached a concerning size. Luna did have a shunt put in to drain some fluid from her skull in April of 2020 but now the fluid is accumulating faster than the shunt can drain it so it’s not really helping anymore.
The whole reason this shit happened is because Robyn was in labor for 72 hours with the cord wrapped around lunas neck. She suffers from cystic encephalomalacia caused from lack of oxygen during her home birth with two so called “doulas” or “midwifes” who were just women she met off of Instagram that had a home birth, they had no education or experience other than that. Robyn started this whole woo I have to do the birth with my crystals in the tub and told her man if she asked to go to the hospital to talk her out of it. She asked/begged, he talked her out of it. If these women were really aware of what should be done during birth, or anyone for that matter- Robyn and her man are as much of idiots, an ambulance would’ve been called. I can keep goin but I suggest everyone go read the kiwifarm thread. As for >>1447481
It’s because she doctor shopped for the shunt. She went through many before someone would do it because all the others said it was pointless because with her disease it’s irrefutable. Like I said I can keep going but it’s in your best interest to just read the kf thread
I 100% believe it's traumatic copium cause crunchy mamas don't ever want to believe that home birthing can be dangerous especially unassisted. Same with hospital birth mamas who don't want to admit that doctors also CAN and DO also make mistakes.
What usually happen is:
- mom's have idea of how they want birth to happen
- birth happens not how they want
- psychosis and heavy copium
A lot of moms have long lasting trauma over just the fact that their birth went wrong. Fairytale births are another thing women invented to argue over who did it right and perfectly.
So I was reading the thread and a few questions arose
how do people know she was in labor for so long before going to hospital?
also, is hydrocephaly really preventable? I thought it was a birth defect.
Luna doesn't have hydrocephaly, she has multicystic encephalomalacia, which was 100% caused by Robyn strangling Luna in her birth canal. Doctors have ruled out everything except
birth injury. Robyn and Glenn did this to Luna.
Here's her KiwiFarms thread, if anyone is feeling masochistic today. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-empathic-nutritionist-empathic-mamahood-robyn-grogitsky-ramirez-luna-elva-ramirez-glenn-ramirez-atlas-glenn-standford-ramirez.84621/
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This is her original birth story, which she has since deleted. Emphasis mine; credit to the other farms.
>It was Thursday, January 17, 2019. I had started feeling the contractions of early labor. Just crampy and feeling overall crappy. I had also started my bloody show, making me feel compelled for one last Mama pampering session, just in case we went into labor over the weekend. I went and got my nails done, picked up my cute and comfortable nursing bra to wear during labor from Target, and then went and got my lady bits waxed. There’s a lot you cannot control with labor, but feeling and looking my best was the one thing I knew I could control. That night was a tough one. I was awake most of the night with irregular contractions.
>January 18, 2019; Friday. A cold night in the dead of winter in Indianapolis, Indiana. Fresh snow blanketed the ground in sparkling, frosty white. A huge snow storm was due to come blowing in. My irregular contractions continued as the power went out in our area, not for a little bit, but for HOURS. Glenn and I were getting nervous because we knew Luna was coming and it was getting pretty cold in the house. With the power out we would no longer have access to hot water to fill the birthing tub or heat to keep the house warm! Thankfully, that was not the case. About 3pm the power was restored and stayed on for the remainder of our birth (thank goodness!). Around 7pm that night we felt the contractions were getting intense enough that we wanted the midwives to head over, especially since it was about to start dumping snow! As soon as the midwives (Brandi and Joi) arrived, it was time for our first ever doppler during our pregnancy. Our original game plan was to not use a doppler (and we had no ultrasounds) at all during pregnancy and birth, but moving to Indiana changed that. Since Indiana is a licensed midwifery state, they legally required us to use the doppler during birth (where in Las Vegas our midwife was comfortable and competent to use a fetoscope instead to check Luna’s heart rate). So up until this moment, only our midwives had heard Luna’s heartbeat (via the fetoscope- she always hid from Glenn and I when we tried to listen lol). They took out the doppler and placed it on my belly. Loud and clear as ever was the sound of our little lady’s heartbeat. The sound overwhelmed both Glenn and I and we both cried. It was such a special experience and I think well worth the wait. After finding that Lunas heart was strong, the midwives suggested that I try getting in the birthing tub. Once it was filled with warm water, I got in and from that moment on I was in the tub for pretty much the rest of the birth. (This was not something I thought I would be doing since I am not a bath lover, I find the pruning of my digits to be quite painful. But, guys, the pain relief I got from the water and the warmth was enough that leaving the water was OUT OF THE QUESTION!).
>Once I was situated in the tub, we placed all of my pregnancy and birthing crystals, that were able to be, in the water. (This was very important to me as I feel a deep connection with crystals and their healing properties.) We also used Himalayan sea salt lamps, Palo Santo, essential oils (lavender and lemon grass – my favorite combo) and Christmas lights to create the ambiance that we wanted for our birth. During the labor, we had a birth photographer, Piper, capturing the moments of our labor. We were so lucky to have met her so soon after moving to Indy! She is a very talented photographer and stayed with us for so many hours capturing some beautiful and life changing moments.
>At first the contractions had been bearable and fine. I even felt they were a bit exciting, just knowing that the time had come for me to birth my baby! As labor intensified and the contractions quickened, they were so intense and NOTHING like I had thought they would be! I had the thinking, that since I had studied hypnobirthing so much and so hard that I could and would have a pain free (but very intense) birth where I breathed my baby out, instead of pushing. I could not have experienced anything more different! Labor, and my experience, weren’t even close to what I had thought! My contractions were extremely painful and made me moan and scream out; at times, uncontrollably. To be completely honest, eventually it felt like my butt was birthing her and I was in so much pain in that area! LIKE SO PAINFUL! They were strong and powerful! I would try to remind myself that each one was bringing Luna closer to being in our arms.
>We tried to put the hypnobirthing tracks on, but I found myself getting lost in the words and having to restart the track over and over. Instead, what ended up being my birth soundtrack was Glenn’s meditation/breathing app that just plays a sound every time you need to breath in and breath out. The simplicity of it was perfection for me.
>Halfway through Saturday, when I thought Luna had to be near making her grand entrance, I kept checking to see if I could feel her head (not knowing yet that it would feel VERY different when her head was within touching rage). At this point, I allowed Brandi to do the first vaginal exam I had had thus far in my pregnancy, to see how I was progressing. The exam was one of the worst experiences and I hated Brandi in that moment as she had caused me so much pain, and what I believed to be, unnecessary pain in what was already a tremendously painful situation. We found that I was not progressing as fast as I should have been for having been in labor for over 24 hours at that point. At this, Brandi suggested that I try relaxing in bed for a little to get some sleep. (HA! I don’t know how one would relax and sleep through such an intense and painful situation).
>Glenn helped me to our shower, where I knelt on the floor with the birthing ball in front of me for about 10 minutes and then we laid in our bed together for what felt like forever, but was really only around 20 minutes, before I just couldn’t take the pain and had to get back in the birthing tub. I felt that I could only fully relax in the water. Knowing that I needed to get my body and mind to surrender to the process and relax enough to allow Luna to begin her decent. The water was the only option, because at this point, I was also starting to be over it all and just wanted Luna in my arms already. I was starting to doubt myself, starting to doubt that if my choice to do it naturally was the right choice, and if I had to strength to birth a baby without medical interventions. Several times, with complete seriousness, I told Glenn that this was all his fault. Several times I told him I wanted to go to the hospital and just have a C-section and be done with it all. To which Piper, our photographer and friend, told me about her C-section and how this was not an easy alternative to what I was experiencing (in the moment I thought anything would be easier than what I was going through). Thankfully, Glenn knew how important it was to me, to us, to birth Luna at home without unnecessary medical interventions. He knew I didn’t really want to go to the hospital and I am truly grateful that he stayed strong for us in the moments I was not, and doubted my own strength.
>On Saturday evening it snowed so much. It was beautiful watching as I lay in the birthing tub with Glenn. Brandi, the main midwife, was making sure everything was moving along smoothly. Making sure Luna and I were still okay. Every time they’d check her heart beat and tell me it was strong and Luna was doing amazingly, I’d breathe a sigh of relief and think how proud I was for her for doing so well after such a long time laboring already. Kristen, the birth attendant, made sure that the water in the tub stayed nice and warm and got me ice water and ice-cold rags for my neck. Sometime on Sunday, during the second half of my labor, Rachel arrived (the stand-in midwife in case we went into labor while Brandi was out of town for our estimated delivery date). I had only met Rachel once before this and I had immediately connected with her. She reminded me of the midwife I had to leave behind in Vegas. I was so overwhelmed with gratitude when Rachel showed up. This was a complete surprise, as we went into labor before our main midwife Brandi left town. She was exactly what was needed and who I wanted to help me get through the coming hours of labor. She showed up at the perfect time and when I was at my weakest. She was so quick to jump in, to coach me and help guide me through the contractions. She let me squeeze her hands (so ungodly hard- I don’t know how I didn’t break any fingers during this all!), massaged my shoulders and played with my hair as I rested between contractions. She encouraged me to drink my green juices/smoothies, coconut water, and water as often as I could to help keep my strength up. She felt like the best doula Glenn and I could have ever asked for! Rachel kept reminding me how strong I was and that soon I would be meeting our little lady Luna.
>To be honest I did not fell strong, I did not feel brave, I didn’t feel powerful or like a beautiful birthing goddess. I felt scared, in tremendous amounts of pain; I felt exhausted, completely. I cried, I screamed, I moaned, I cussed and said, “my butt” and, “oh God” more times than anyone can remember. Birthing Luna was the HARDEST THING I HAVE EVER HAD TO DO! Thankfully, I had Rachel, the other midwives, and Glenn there to help me and keep me strong. Allowing me to relax enough for my body to dilate and surrender to the process. Allowing my body to begin moving Luna down to meet us.
>At 3:43pm on Sunday, January 20th, my water broke. As soon as this happened a sense of calm came over me. I knew I just jumped another hurdle and Luna was that much closer to being here. The pushing started at 5:11pm. Once I began getting the urge to push, the act itself made me dry heave and gag. It was terrible. I was told by the midwives that this was normal and meant the urges were getting stronger. At this point I was outwardly yelling, “I surrender, Luna, just get out of me! GET OUT!”.
>Luna came earth side at 6:34pm. Her heart beat strong and never wavering. She was the brave one. She was the strong one. The final pushes were painful, but the drive I had to just GET HER OUT of me was more powerful. I instinctively got in a squatting position in the water, the one that came most naturally. I pushed, HARD! Over and over. All the while gagging and dry heaving. I could feel her head descending and making the progress and then, when I couldn’t push any more, she would slide right back up. The midwives said this was good, as she was stretching me and would likely mean less tearing. One HUGE push later and out popped her head. Brandi told me to reach down and feel her head, but I just wanted to get her out! Glenn reached down and felt her little head and I think that was a magical and crazy experience for him. After a few more ridiculously painful and hard pushes, all while roaring powerfully to get through the pain, out came our beautiful daughter. I reached down into the water and grabbed her while Brandi helped get the cord from around her neck. I puller her up onto my chest and sat back into Glenn’s arms. Luna took her first few breaths and then just stared up at the both of us, silent, soaking in the world. It was seral and magical, as if she had known us all along. We rubbed her vernix into her skin and then she let out a few big cries. Glenn cried and I was just in so much shock and awe over this being that I had grown now being in my arms; this little being that I didn’t think I would get to have (if you know my husband and I), as we were not initially planning on creating a human family. Instantly I think we both fell so deeply in love with her. Like she’d always been ours, always been the plan. The universe has a funny way of working itself out. We waited until I birthed the placenta and the umbilical cord had stopped pulsating and then Glenn cut her cord at 6:50pm.
>After the birth, I was helped out of the tub and onto our couch where I nursed Luna for the first time. She had a strong latch and immediately nursed! I was so relieved as she came early and I worried my body wouldn’t be producing colostrum quite yet. But my body is amazing and it did! In these moments I felt amazing. No pain. No tiredness. No fear. Just powerful, intense, amazing love for my daughter and my husband and tremendous gratitude to my birthing team. Rachel the midwife made me rotisserie chicken and broccoli and fed it to me while I nursed Luna. She was still so motherly to me after the birth. This was so meaningful to me. Once Luna was done nursing they took Luna to be measured and check and I was checked out as well. I got through my 40+ hour labor with NO tears (I credit that to my daily intake of collagen!). After Luna and I were checked, and I urinated, and the team had cleaned up 95% of the birthing gear, the team left.
>Then it was just the four of us; Glenn, Marley, Luna and I.
>And so, this miraculous journey of parenthood begins.
>Luna Elva Ramirez was born on January 20th, 2019; the night of a super full moon blood wolf total lunar eclipse. Luna came into this world on her own time frame, on a day that couldn’t have been more powerful and fitting for her namesake. We named her Luna well before she decided to be born on a day with such a special lunar event. We chose Elva as her middle name as it is Glenn’s Grandmothers first name and also means leader of the elves (which added to the magical nature of her name and spirit). She weighed 6 lbs 8 oz., was 19.7 inches long and her head measured 12.5 inches. Our little Aquarius star child came 1 week early to make her big debut on a such a powerful astrological event.
She didn't go to the hospital during or after the birth. She waited for months
until Luna's head looked like it was about to explode and her body looked like a Holocaust victim
. She did take her to the chiropractor and use lots of crystals though!
Yep. IIRC she had to go through the emergency room too, even though the surgery was scheduled in advance, so that it was technically an 'emergency surgery.' Otherwise the hospital would not have been able to do it/insurance wouldn't have covered it because it was so dangerous and the chance of it improving her life so miniscule. >>1447852
It drains one of her cysts, but Luna has multiple and they're always growing. Robyn wants to do another reconstructive surgery but has been told no by the surgeons.
nta but no shit anon, but that’s not the point. I kinda don’t wanna be reminded of this kid’s torment and literally see her swollen head every time I open lc for a laugh, at least on kf you can avoid that>>1447864
who doesn’t use the catalog? can’t hide it from there
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>>1447804>Normalizing and glorifying a birth that should have killed her baby and could have killed her>supposed doula/midwife telling a mom that what she was going through was better then a cesarean
I don’t want to keep going but I can’t help myself.
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From kiwi farms kek this is accurate
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she looks so much like Lili Taylor it's uncanny, who also played a dangerous crunchy granola mother in Six Feet Under.
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Glenn and Robyn both are narcs obsessed with documenting themselves instead of taking care of their children.
I think she could feel pain before but she's lost that ability. If you look at her older videos Luna could move more and make sounds. Now she 'doesn't need' the pain meds anymore and can only blink, smack her lips, and move one arm back and forth. >>1447906
Letting Atlas run around a gym full of equipment and weights with no supervision is tempting fate. One slip and he'll end up like Luna.
Did you not read >>1447414
? It is homeschooling. Sorry but there is no hope.
Did they take Luna to the hospital, or did they stand around giving her encouraging words while she turned blue and her heart stopped? If they didn't take her to the hospital, I can't believe they weren't hoping she'd die.
Raging narcissists should be sterilized.
I could be wrong but I think that might of been when she was on an end of life pathway and was taken home to be comforted until she passed away. When people die they do have periods of stopping breathing and there’s a lot of tense “was that it” moments until they die.
Nothing a few shots of essential oil to the eyeballs and crystals plopped on her head can’t fix of course!
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Tinsley is a girl who has some sort of condition that is terminal and incurable. The hospital sued the mother for the right to take her off life support because she would die multiple times a day and have to be resucitated. The nurses were getting traumatized by being forced to change her diaper because even that much movement would make Tinlsey's heart fail. The mother is a bit like Robyn but doesn't seem to really care about Tinsley at all, apparently she never visited the hospital. I don't even know if Tinsley is still alive or not. Hopefully she's passed, but I'm too scared to google it.
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There is an absolute fuckton about the brain, sentience and consciousness we don't understand, from my humble viewpoint I believe that pain is the most primordial factor of all living existence and is deeply embedded in us, I don't want to overly med and philosophy sperg right now but I would bet that your speculation is indeed the case, that this brain stem which is holding the body in homeostasis is still functioning with regards to pain; the brainstem is a critical area for nociception and pain processing.
To put it simply, I would wager that there is definitely reception of painful stimuli within this consciousness, but the nonfunctioning areas of the brain do not allow what remains of this soul to be able to conceptualize what is happening in their dark and silent universe, nor form a signal with their body to scream, cry or show distress. And because of that we cannot even know the extent of the pain she could possibly be feeling.
This is a lot for most to delve into; the possibility that you are keeping a tortured consciousness in a dark purgatory and allowing its only stimulant to be pain would put the ones keeping it alive in a role not far from something like Satan itself. So they prefer to be optimistic and assign this half dead child the mother's own pleasant emotions and interpret the siezures as a sign of life that isn't there.(unsaged medfagging)
>>1448131> T.L. continues to be in constant pain, and her care exacerbates her suffering. Not only are her medical treatments painful, but basic life necessities – such as a diaper change – are excruciating for T.L. Because of the stiffness of her limbs, an extreme amount of pressure must be placed on T.L.’s legs to separate them enough for her to be cleaned and changed. This causes such extreme pain that T.L.’s nurses typically begin by apologizing to T.L. in hopes she will understand that the torturous exercise she is undergoing is not their choice. But, of course, due to her medication, T.L. has limited movement and is unable to communicate.> And, absent a court ruling, this is the only future T.L. can look forward to: Spending day after day in needless agony until, one day, she suffers a dying event that she does not recover from. Her pain and suffering is made worse by T.L.’s brain function. She is not brain dead or in a coma. Though she is paralyzed, she feels every painful intervention and suffers the fear and anxiety that comes along with it. And as a baby, she cannot understand what is being done to her. She can only know that her doctors and nurses hurt her.
> As would be expected in light of the extreme efforts that have been required to keep T.L. alive since birth, Cook Children’s and its physicians have incurred more than $24 million in billable charges for T.L.’s medical care through 2020.
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This is from her recent IG story. "The Emotion Code" is an energy-healing thing that Robyn is a grand high wizard in or whatever. Good to see she hasn't stopped her tradition of using her potato in her instagram ads.
That’s what kills me about Luna. Sometimes it’s like you can see what could have been when you look at her. Luna was perfectly normal until Robyn strangled her in her vagina. I actually hate
Robyn. It’s so hard lot to a-log.
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This is how her schooling is going. I can't upload the video but the "teacher" (who I'm pretty sure is the same PT she's always had) picks up Luna's hand and makes it hit the toy piano. It's chilling to watch, like they're playing with a deformed doll. Which I guess they basically are.
>>1448840>talking about yourself in 3rd person
I hate it when mommy bloggers do that. I don’t know why it’s just so….narc-ish.
I’ll bet she only gives that poor potato affection when she uses her as an internet prop.
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She was a very cute little baby.
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May 2019 - Luna was 4 months old. This was few weeks after they finally took her to see a real doctor.
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I just want everyone to be clear: Luna wasn't born with hydrocephaly. She doesn't have hydrocephaly at all. She has multicystic encephalomalacia, and she wasn't born with it, Robyn caused it. Luna's brain was totally normal, but the trauma of 72 hours in labor and hypoxia from being strangled in the birth canal caused cysts to form, and now the cysts are growing out of control, taking over her brain and blowing apart her skull.
When we say her brain is swiss cheese, we mean it. Picrel is probably a more mild case than hers.
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Here’s a picture (from may 2020) of Luna’s head from an angle Robyn doesn’t show too often. You can really see the cysts ripping apart her skull.
Not that I don’t believe this, but is there any way of truly knowing? They clearly had NO ultrasounds, genetic testing, etc.
So fucked if traumatic birth is the literal only possibility and they don’t acknowledge that? AND had another one?
The doctors ruled out everything but
birth injury. This isn’t genetic or some freak accident. Robyn did this.
It can also apparently develop after an abusive
head trauma. Either way, fucked.
It's actually unbelievable that Luna wasn't taken into care after the first hospital admission. Denying medical care is straight up child abuse. Had she died as a baby, it should have been a manslaughter case.
Disabled children can and do have happy and fulfilling lives with loving families. This is not it.>>1449235
It's so fucked, this is the kind of thing that happened all the time in the past and we look back and breathe a sigh of relief and say thank god we have better healthcare and safer births now. It's so hard not to a-log, I get angry when I see this thread come up in the catalog
>>1448987>cysts ripping her skull apart
That is one of the most hellish sentences I've ever read, nonnie
. Ever have someone talk about lice and then you feel itchy in your scalp? Reading this, I feel my skull slowly pulled apart by growths in my brain. Holistic narcs need to be held accountable this is absolutely horrific
Does this count as munchausen by proxy?
Afaik, she can survive as long as the cysts don't cut off blood flow or destroy her brain stem.>>1449024
Nah, she was cute. Not Gerber baby cute, but definitely not an uggo.>>1448930
How the hell could Robyn and her fuckboy husband be so egomaniacal that they'd let their baby waste away so severely before deferring to the expertise of an actual medical professional?? I get that they're both completely up their own asses, but how did the suffering of their little girl not snap them out of it sooner?
What the absolute fuck is wrong with these people??
And of course this stupid cunt puts emphasis on how "empathic" she is. Every single self-proclaimed empath is a gigantic piece of shit.
I've gotta bail before I catch a ban for a-logging.
. I went somewhere dark after reading that shit. Every mom in here is reading this thread and trying hard to not alog.
I think it would count as munchausen by proxy since she caused the injury and is now benefitting from it. Even if she doesn’t actively cause her child to be sick or injure her. Luna’s illness is severe enough to do the work for her. All Robyn has to do it take video of Luna flopping around on her “school” gear and she gets all the wonderful mom praises she needs.
Pls no ban for armchair
This feels like one of those photos taken seconds before disaster.
I read a sad story the other day about a toddler being killed accidentally by a modestly-sized flat screen tv that fell on her. Surely the contents of an at-home gym are 100 times more dangerous.
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Looking through Robyn’s account is so eerie. This caption from luna’s 2 months, before she was diagnosed or taken to the hospital:
>she is such an easy baby! She rarely cries; mostly just little whines here and there.
She’s not crying because her brain is Swiss cheese and she’s not capable of crying Robyn.
Her lack of pain is the one thing that gives me slight comfort in this existential horror show.
I can only imagine how bizarre Luna's internal experience must have been, whatever is left of it. I don't know if there's an afterlife, but if so I genuinely hope her soul has left her body by now. I wonder how long it would take for her idiot parents to notice once the rest of her body stops functioning.
Let's imagine Robyn stopped being an insane delusional horrorcow and realized how dire her child's situation actually is. She throws away the crystals and essential oils in favor of cold, hard reality. What are her options?
Just wait it out? Put her in a hospice or at least get palliative care? Are there legal, ethical options for medically-assisted euthanasia? Should
there be for cases like this? If they just stopped feeding and hydrating her like Terri Schiavo and passively let nature take its course, would that legally be considered child abuse or murder? Seems like such a gray area especially when her capacity for physical suffering seems gone at this point.
I am genuinely curious if any farmers with a background in law or the medical field want to weigh in.
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Latest ig story about the miracle healing device, Healy. Notice how one of these women was supposedly cured of pain from pressure on her brain. Good thing Luna has access to this amazig technology!
Robyn says she is.
Also it’s a progressive disease for those wondering why her head gets bigger. The cysts grow as more brain matter deteriorates.
Most babies with his disease have lung hypoplasia which causes death.
Worth noting: Robyn seems to be ex-LDS. I think she was raised Mormon, or LDS-adjacent.>>1449736
It’s so easy to prevent: don’t wait around and snap pictures for three days. Monitor the baby. GO TO THE FUCKING HOSPITAL.
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Can someone link the kiwifarms thread please? As much as I hate kiwifarms, I would like to read more info on them.>>1449859>why hasn’t cps stepped in?
I have this question too.
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quick q, warrior mamas. which one should I buy for my sick baby?
Don’t you know you can only get true love and support if you’re child is brain dead?? No one will love your potato more than a bunch of strangers with medical equipment!!>>1449859
Fucking bleak dude.
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I can't believe how RETARDED this whole fucking family is. Click to play.
she doesn’t have, and has never had, hydrocephaly. the cysts had started to form and grow by this point, but her skull was totally normal when she was born.
Robyn didn’t see anything abnormal about this. she thought Luna’s misshapen head made her look like a funny alien baby, and laughed about it.
In most locations, CPS will bend over backwards to keep kids with their bio parents. Unless the kid is being raped, beaten, or starved, they're unlikely to be removed.
Luna is getting enough medical care (having her cysts drained) to keep her alive, and isn't raped, beaten, or starved, so CPS won't get involved (and a lot of locations actually allow parents to murder their children by refusing real medical care as long as they use fake medicine (such as prayer) if they "sincerely" believe it will work).
As for Atlas, the neglect and irresponsibility shown toward him is nowhere near enough for CPS to get involved beyond maybe a case worker coming out and saying "Hey, stop doing that" and then never following up because they're busy dealing with moms who pimp out their toddlers for meth.
Samefag, the very next line says it:>Several times, with complete seriousness, I told Glenn that this was all his fault. Several times I told him I wanted to go to the hospital and just have a C-section and be done with it all.
Several fucking times! I think this bastard (and the "friend") needs to be getting some ire too since this is the moment the situation could have been saved and they both declined to help.
This is what is so disturbing to me. This poor child almost certainly was harmed in the birthing process but there were signs long before the mother took her to the ER that something was wrong.
The child was clearly malnourished (some of the photos look downright skeletal), you see the expanding skull and the continued lack of focus in the eyes. You see things getting worse and worse. And she waits until her child is having terrible seizures to take her to the ER.
I have to log off. This is just too horrific.
I understand the high standard for CPS stuff, I really do — but what I just cannot understand is how when the parents took the child to the hospital and the staff saw the condition of the child and the lack of any health records, that it wouldn’t be a requirement for the doctors or nurses to at the very least file a report. Because this is straight-up child abuse. That child was straight-up malnourished and uncared for.
Now that the child has been given a terminal diagnosis, there are more limits on what the state can do, but the stuff that got the poor child to this point is still straight-up neglect.
I’m just yelling at the sky now, but it’s beyond fucked up that if a child like Luna was somehow discovered (like has happened with those kids in cages), the parents would almost certainly be investigated. But because the mother puts all of their abuse on Instagram, it’s completely fine.(learn2sage)
anon, hydrocephaly in this case is secondary to the encephalomalacia. the raised pressure in the head caused by fluid buildup in the brain (hydrocephalus) has been caused by the cysts from the encephalomalacia. her skull/brain was probably normal in utero, but the issue would have been present since she was born if it was caused by injury during delivery. in the pic this >>1450131
anon replied to, she already has an abnormal skull shape from fluid buildup in the brain (hydrocephalus) caused by the underlying issue of encaphalomalacia. sage for medfaggotry
There's a certain type of person who loves to make themselves feel better about their lot in life by reveling in the misery other, dumber people experience over their own objectively poor life choices; see: women who waste their lives cleaning up after water-brained retard kids with no hope of recovery, or rape victims
who make the choosie choicie to birth their rape-spawn. "Bless your heart, you're so brave" = "What a dumb bitch, glad she isn't me lol"
Maybe she hoped for Luna to die. She clearly knows that the birth wasn't normal >>1450270
. Now she is coping by being the mother should have been but she is still failing because she knows how much she fucks up. It sounds hellish.
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Update on Luna's custom glasses. Does anyone understand what the fuck is going on with that head scan?
The kid is cortically blind. No need for glasses.
(Cortical blindness is blindness not caused by an eye issue like glaucoma or macular degeneration)
According to someone on the other farms, there's still time to treat the condition after birth and a chance that, if Robyn had decided to go to the hospital after noticing Luna wasn't eating or crying, Luna could have turned out normal (or maybe still retarded but like, normal-retarded).
I also had my umbilicle cord wrapped around my neck and was upside-down and I turned out normal because my mom got a c-section. This kind of thing doesn't have to cause disability at all. Robyn had to almost try to get it to turn out this badly.
it’s true that normal labor can last a really long time. especially in the first baby. it’s pretty much safe to wait until contractions are five minutes apart to go to the hospital. but Robyn didn’t go to the hospital even when things were obviously going sideways. I blame the people around her for that, though. like someone else said, she was in labor and she begged
to go to the hospital, and everyone around her told her no. but, everything after that is on her. she still waited for months
to take her dying child to see a doctor. she still uses her to shill her MLM woo garbage. she still shits on medical professionals and shares harmful misinformation. she’s still fucking awful.
Has it ever been proven that anything went seriously wrong in the birth itself though? From her account of things it sounds like she just wanted to go to the hospital because she was miserable and in pain and the birth was progressing slowly. I know the midwife wasn't exactly top of her class, but it doesn't sound like she thought anything was amiss.
She said that the doctors had ruled out every cause of Luna's condition other than head injury. I don't trust this woman's ability to understand what medical professionals are telling her, but assuming that's true, couldn't it have been caused by one of these idiots dropping her on her head or something?
her condition is only caused by a hypoxic event at birth or abusive
head trauma later. the doctors would’ve been able to tell if this was caused by hitting or shaking Luna. therefore, the only other explanation is hypoxic event. and that was entirely preventable.
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Luna's in the hospital. She didn't say what for but the 'second opinion' part makes me think the hospital suggested hospice again. Or she's not as stable as Robyn says.
Cut off text says "we've been a little quiet over here"
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I think her brainstem is finally failing. Fly high, Luna.
It's worse than that. She didn't know Luna would be severely disabled, she was catastrophically brain injured by being stuck in the birth canal for hours during home birth attended by untrained 'midwives' Robyn found on instagram.
I see she's finally panicking and taking the poor spud around evil western medicine hospitals for a 'second opinion' - I would guess the first (and correct) opinion was "she's dying, let her go".
I've read bits of the KR thread so I have the jist - I think!
Husband's family are Mexican Catholic so love the precious disabled gift from god. Husband himself seems checked out and gives more attention to the non-disabled toddler who had all Luna's milestones beat by 9 months old.
Robyn's mom was a nurse and just looks pissed off with the situation.
and Atlas won't be the last woo baby becase Robyn claims she has heard 'psychicly' from all three of her unborn children before. So there's going to be another one. I'm guessing as soon as Luna gets her deserved release, she'll get pregnant again.
See this post: >>1450168
Despite the situation, Robyn is able to care for Luna more than CPS. Luna was unfortunately doomed before she was even fully born.
Good Lord anon, But people who wish a terrible death on others are so superior, right? What a hypocrite.
Honnestly, out of anything this crazy bitch does, wishing her child to live seems the most normal. Can we really know if this woman has no guilt in what she did? I cant help but wonder if all these moms, like Robyn, parade these kids around because their hoping it gives their life some meaning. Sure it might just be narc supply but it might not be. I read this thread and wonder if when the cameras off Robyn cries in a dark room with Luna in her arms. I dont know how bad I feel for the other kid, he looks clean, well dressed and obviously fed. Kids are resilient. Only time will tell how this is affecting him. >>1454145
The fact that CPS isnt currently involved or may have never been involved is because their was likley more to the diagnosis and situation than was publicly stated, the home situation doesnt indicate the type of abuse that requires CPS to be involved, or the state cant place her because the resources aren't available. Not to be mean to this child but typical children are hard enough to place. Families "send them back" all the time. Would the state even find a place for her if it was necessary?
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Found a twin
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Luna's getting strapped up to this eye movement communication device for school. It's meant to help paralyzed children talk but Luna's eyes just move randomly so the machine never says anything that makes sense. I can't figure out how to convert to webm but the video is on the other farms here https://no-cookie.kiwifarms.net/data/video/3191/3191885-96728ce6e5d6b8885c33849f3e772833.mp4
. The 'teacher' asks a question that Luna ignores, then Luna's eyes fall on the 'I love you' button while she seizes, which Robyn fucking loves. So creepy to hear the soulless robot voice tell Robyn that her daughter loves her over and over while her actual daughter died years ago.
Samefag, probably did an ABR (automatic brain response) test which would be an appropriate test to run on Luna. Infant needs to be quiet during test and has electrodes stuck on specific areas. >Softband baha (due to age)>forehead placement is probably better than mastoid placement>>1505094>But if Luna needs the hearing aid, how was she playing with the communication device before? How would she understand what words even are, if she's been deaf up until now?
Luna couldn't have heard Robyn if she needs a baha. Unlike a traditional ha, a baha needs to stimulate bone to hear. It would mean she has a conductive hearing loss meaning her outer and middle ear isn't letting sound travel to inner ear. So essentially she is deaf w/o the baha and Robyn lied/coped(?).
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Technically she could have a unilateral hearing loss, but I'd have to see the audiogram. If she had just a unilateral hearing loss, she could hear words in the other ear. So what I wrote here >>1505115
would be incorrect about her being deaf (it's late and it's been years since I learned this so forgive my madness). However, I would think both ears would have been affected considering her condition. If both ears are affected than yes she absolutely can not understand words.
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ABR test responses top is normal bottom is abnormal. >>1505115
Also it's auditory brainstem response
excuse my delirium as I go to bed finally.
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Robyn is pregnant with #3
How has this family not been charged with neglect, abuse and torture? This is fucking insane.
Essential oil in her eyes?
Yeh I’m a login today
no, of course not.
robyn hasn't really spoken much about luna having a case worker at all.
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I'm sorry to say but the little girl is already 4 years old now. I check on this evil cruel witch from time to time just to see when she'll finally make a post of the girls passing. Just thought to at least put the screenshot here
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Robyn has had a miscarriage.
I wonder if she'll make a shill post about how she contacts her fetus in the Reiki spirit realm or some shit like that. I remember her saying a while back that she met the souls of her future kids in a Reiki trance thing.
Miscarriages suck, I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone, but Robyn can't even properly care for the kids she has. The universe probably made the right call on this one.>>1759353
They're cut from the same MBP Narcissist cloth. Neither of those parents should be allowed around children.
It's kind of arrogant to assume that your birth will be "normal and healthy," though. I see so many granola tards assuming that it'll be fine at home because ~women have been giving birth that way for millions of years~. Guess what, women have also been fucking dying in childbirth for a million years. You were extremely lucky to be born in a first world country with access to modern medicine, yet you decide to endanger yourself and your baby because your house looks nicer for Instagram pictures than a hospital. Home birth zealots do it for the bragging rights above all else, lording their ~aesthetic~ birth videos and lucky complication-free births over other women. Not to mention how women are judged for getting fucking epidurals, as if experiencing more pain makes you better at giving birth. Then there's the orgasmic birth bullshit, which is just offensive and misogynistic.
Fuck "natural." If you want to be ~natural~, go live in a fucking cave somewhere. Hospitals aren't supposed to be cosy or aesthetically pleasing, they're supposed to be fucking clean. This is why the U.S. has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed country; births are turning into commercialized spectacles carefully orchestrated to look pretty on camera. Hence you have retards like Robyn who wax their vulvas during labor and nearly electrocute themselves hanging Christmas lights around the bathtub.
NAYRT but that was a wild read. The uwu problematic
and capitalist medical system might not cater to the specific needs of many unique indigo childbearing parents, but you know what they have? Doctors, midwives, and a shitload of necessary medical equipment. I think that might sort of make up for it being not a super duper personalized birthing experience?