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This thread concerns creators, artists, voice actors and others who work or are connected to the modern Western American animation and comics industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
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>Disney literally can't do 2D Animation anymore even if they wanted >>1907717>Troons ruining media >>1911731 >>1911942 >>1922653 >>1912043 >>1912416>A look at Eli Roth's Fright Krewe >>1912631>The Amazing Digital Circus discussion >>1913240 >>1915017 >>1915016 >>1916558 >>1916780>Pan Pizza Discussion >>1916254 >>1924297>Tara Strong got fired from a show for being a zionist >>1913303>Misc Helluva Boss/Vivziepop drama and discussion >>1913598 >>1913703 >>1913706 >>1921272>Misc Ang pedo/pro-shipper drama >>1907869 >>1909590 >>1909989 >>1910081 >>1910091 >>1910209Since this is the most active thread on the site for animated content, casual non-milk discussions about comics and other animated topics are also permitted.
No. 1927890
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>amazing digital circus pilot reaches over 100 millions in less then one month
No. 1927999
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>>1927542>>1927746Like half this decade is gonna filled with every recognizable IP being made into a movie franchise.
No. 1928068
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>>1928059Gooseworks originally made a very popular analog horror thing called blue channel so imagine that helped
No. 1928098
>>1928059i think its mostly because of the social media traction and glitch productions. also little kids who think they are sophisticated and edgy for watching it
lmfao sucks because this is genuinely the worst thing gooseworx has ever produced
No. 1928101
>>1928099dorcelessness all day every day
i didn't know he was a troon, i never looked into the creator. oh well
No. 1928171
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>>1927542>How come Lauren Faust was never able to make her own show?She almost had one at Netflix but got canned along with most of other Netflix show. But the good news, she got the rights back but still looking for distributors.
No. 1928323
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I just want LS Mark to release his fucking pilot already. He described it as ''tom and jerry meets bojack horseman'' which sounds laughably bad. I never though someone could be this creatively bankrupt, but i guess it's expected considering he's the worst cartoon reviewer, and doesn't seem to like art and animation besides a very surface level.
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>>1928323>tom and jerry meets bojack horsemanThat hit me like a damn brick. Every Indie animated series is nothing but a pathetic imitation of one piece of media mashed with another, and that's all there is to it. They don't have an understanding of the media they consume and lack the genuine experience needed to create anything truly authentic.
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>>1928329It's what miyazaki said, that modern anime is shit because they just try to copy what has already been done rather than being inspired from their own life experiences. The fucking show is set in the early 00s, a fucking time period LS mark wasnt even alive for. He was a toddler by the time the new decade was rolling in. I am super curious about this thing because it just looks terrible and uninspired. It makes a bit salty though because a lot of people would love to have his connections and money to make their passion project come true, but he wasted all of that in the most uninspired garbage concept in existence.
>horrendous animation and art direction>copypasted character designs>dude is already selling plushies of the mouse creature even though it hasnt released yet>made by a dude whose whole career is making white noise 6 hour videos overstimulated zoomies can sleep tothis looks like a fake cartoon they put in a movie to make fun of shitty generic cartoons
No. 1928368
>>1928230The anime girl/breathy voice acting is all over indie animation.
This animated "pilot" made me rage, it's so coomery and while trying to be uwu innocent cute cartoon Network-y girly show. The yellow characters boobs bounce every second she speaks/all the time, it's so off-putting and disgusting (porny). The worst thing of all is the short makes NO sense, like what kind of world is this? They are weird shaped girls in a boarding school for what? Or is this the product of anime disease where the only setting can be school? Everyone has to be a student and go to school, even though it doesn't matter and clearly these characters are meant to be sexualized.
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>>1928368>characters boobs bounce every second she speakswtf this is so unnecessary and disturbing, especially when combined with the infantilised face and hairstyle
also that red triangle head character looks like if Beelzebot trooned out
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>>1928368The characters reminded me of picrel. cause they aren't characters, they aren't even clichés or tropes; they're just cut outs from cartoon porn and hentai.
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>>1928368>pink triangle character designlol why would you ever do that
No. 1928404
>>1927863>characters idea of fun is going to a carnival>a character is sad because he is short>cheesy one-liners>no reference to drugs or alcoholthis felt like a children's cartoon except that the characters are based on religious stereotypes. Im honestly impressed with how dedicated they where to that one joke. The pilot literally ends with a party at a club and they don't even make a coke joke.
tbh i can't see this as a series. it's gimmick is that it only has
one adult element but otherwise feels like an average kids cartoon but thats going to become old quickly. The only way I can see this lasting several episodes is if they gradually make it more edgy but then it would become indistinguishable from every other edgy adult cartoon. They could also flesh out the characters and try to make them deeper but no one is going to take a show that uses stereotypes seriously unless you pander to shippers
hetalia another franchise where the punchline is basically just stereotypes sometimes tries to make you feel sad for the stereotypes but it's just hard to take it seriously because they are literal stereotypes. it's not a concept that is suited for angst>>1927981the animation is really cool. Another anon in this thread said that Digital Circus fails because it wants to feel like uncanny early 3d animation but it looks too modern.
this manages to look like modern 3d, old 3d and claymation at the same time. it's a very pretty style that adds to the uncanny vibe. I feel like Digital Circus wanted to have a style like this
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>>1928368The red triangle chick feels a bit like a rip off of the mean girl in the "Becky Prim" short.
No. 1928454
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>>1928436And the pattern also alligns with more and more Twitter/terminally online animators becoming transbians - who needs male characters or side characters anymore when it's now all softcore fap material. If you criticize an all female cast in any way then you're a
terf!!
No. 1928474
>>1928454Women: we want more female characters in anything
>monkey’s paw curls Women: noooo not female characters created by trannies that only exist to be fapbait!!
(moidlet) No. 1928485
>>1928454This kind of character design is so unappealing.
It sucks!
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>>1928368the designs are so garbage mainly the triangle mc. could this even count as animation? it's barely animated.
i went to check the creator's twitter and as expected, all the females he draws are busty curvy coombaits with the exact same body type while the men look average and boring. picrel is a redraw/redesign he did of the powerpuff girls, he seems to be really inspired by craig mccracken (and giantess fetish art).
No. 1928585
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From ToonHive:
>‘INDIGO’ is an upcoming sci-fi animated series that follows 19-year-old human Max who spent their whole life training their psychic powers in isolation with their tall gray alien caretaker and a robot scientist, until an unexpected event makes them realize they've been lied their whole life.
No. 1928601
>>1928586He's ugly and over designed,why does he have the same hair as that yellow muppet from Welcome Home?
Gosh, everyone is making sexy man bait instead of making a good story.no one cares go make a decent cartoon already .those colors are an eyesore
No. 1928628
>>1928601It’s kind of annoying how sexymen became a trend, back in my day, the women who only cared about these one note weirdly designed characters were genuinely into them in very autistic ways. Now you have sexymen trend hoppers who just want to be the “coolest” of the bunch for liking these boring ass uninspired as fuck characters that with a palette swap they would look normie as fuck, or that are obviously and heavily “inspired” by existing IPs like how the purple rabbit looks like a mix between Five Nights at Freddy’s rabbit and the purple dude.
>>1928586This faggot is literally Steven universe mixed with the purple dude from Five Nights at Freddy’s and Mettaton.
No. 1928641
>>1928454Of course the
most porny out of the 3 is the odd one out by not being 18. Gives them a way to deny being accused of sexualizing teens. The pink triangle is sexualized too, but in a way that is so normalized no one bats an eye. Spongebob is so fucking ridiculous I don’t think people would fall for the age excuse.
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>>1928586Kek at the resemblance,try harder next time.
No. 1928660
>>1928454>high school setting, lockers (idk couldn't bring myself to watch more than like 30 seconds) >21 year old sure….
thankfully this went nowhere despite a couple of hugboxing comments.
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>>1928368I hate this so much, literally the only thing that stands out is the art style but that’s not a good thing. The background isn’t even shaded but we get shots of an 18 year old girls back dimples? Painfully coomery.
No. 1928735
>>1928586I’m calling it now his personality will just be Peridot from Steven Universe where he starts out as an antisocial tech nerd and learns humanity is good actually and he will have a queer relationship with the character he did not get along with at first. Still salty about how how they ruined Peridot’s personality and forced Lapidot so god damn much. Feel free to read this in Sarah Z’s voice kek.
Do we know yet if the creator is like Welcome Home and will be
triggered by porn?
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>>1927863Glad the pigeon from Valiant can still find work.
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>>1928807idk why you called me a moid, it was clearly a criticism about trannies making "female" characters. dummy
>>1928759big "all or nothing" vibes
No. 1928856
>>1928586>shitty pompadour hairstyle with nothing cool or fun about it (sweet jp weeps)>looks like mettaton>SU belly gem and bad monochrome colour palette>upper eyelid shine>the expression>robot wearing gloves that are boring af and draw the eye too much>popped collar vest AND a croptop with shoulder pads (that unzips! how sexy.)>badly drawn shades that only make the eyes difficult to readwow i hate everything about this, it's basically made of poor design choices with no good ones to prop it up. Its such a blatant blend of the artist's fandom brainrot too.
besides all that, would it have killed them to post better quality art?
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>>1928942The only successful example I can think of, of a character obviously meant to be a tumblrsexyman and being successful, is Black Hat from Villainous.
No. 1929167
>>1928944I think it’s because they are self-aware and making fun of themselves/the concept so it comes off as more authentic and genuine. BH as a sort of parody of TSM is able to attract more fans than intentional TSM bait.
>>1929153It still has a pretty dedicated fanbase, it just doesn’t have much going on because it’s in production/release limbo. IIRC the second half of the first season is done but being held hostage by the network or something.
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>>1928825it's my first time hearing about this, nonni what the hell is this?
No. 1929208
>>1929167I think BH also 'works' because of the show's roots as a web animation from 2012 (iirc), it feels more like a developed idea influenced by online cartoon fandom culture and the creator's genuine interests than just someone trying to cash in with a forced sexy-man meme character like with that INDIGO thing (which I looked into and it's just another beginner artist's personal project that isn't really going anywhere, rather than an actual attempt at a pilot/show).
Did not know it was in limbo like that, always unfortunate when that happens with animation. Reminds me of Mao Mao.
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How the hell do you go from producing The Prince of Egypt to this.
No. 1929442
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>>1929332I fear he may be a right, because like it or not, AI will change the dynamics of the animation industry, both indie and mainstream.
No. 1929455
>>1929442okay cool, they managed to generate the aesthetics of a shot of cheap disney-esque 3D animation, but each one was full of poor movement, none of them were framed particularly well, the lip movements looked like the characters had had a stroke, and the pacing of each clip was shit– I could go on (especially since you know these are the best of the clips they sat there generating and regenerating). I'm not saying AI won't end up being used in animation, but it pisses me off that AI bros and the people making the AI pretend as if the results are actually worthwhile for actual production. This isn't there yet, and it's obvious that it can't make anything truly distinct from the data it's been fed. I also wonder about consistency, considering text based AIs (which have a far simpler job) struggle to maintain a cohesive 'train of thought' across multiple paragraphs of a story.
If the AI crowd want to get me on their side though, they could work out an actually helpful auto-rigger that can work on more than just humans without it becoming painful kek
No. 1929472
>>1929467exactly kek. "here's our AI animation that we had to (barely) pay a score of people to fix!"
ngl I kinda want to see the timeline and graph editor for a piece of animation like this (not to mention the meshes themselves).
I could see a use case for this being shitty animated adds tbh, but not a show or feature film. Don't think it'd work at all for live action cgi either
No. 1929512
>>1927863This is confusing, it feels like satire but I don’t think it’s supposed to be
Also ninjew, lmao
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The voice actor for Gumball is beefing with fatass Dream
No. 1929532
>>1929518the prompts were generated into animation in less than one minute (as far as we know), sure, but we also don't know how many times it took to generate something that looked passable for six seconds. It's still going to be a shorter time than making the equivalent animation from scratch, but it's less, idk, worrying that this was apparently their highlight reel for this.
and yeah, there definitely needs to be more regulation, AI is starting to infect everything and it's not going to be pretty if ignored.
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>>1929516Here’s dream’s original call-out post.
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>>1928440Oh wow you weren't kidding, she totally is. Thank you also for reminding me we'll never get a Becky Prim series.
No. 1929685
>>1929539The industry anons are not speaking up but really there is nothing to worry about, indie moids can't pitch and suck at follow through on their connections. Studio usually want to work with established directors and mentally stable people who can hit deadlines. Say what you want about Vizie but she pitch her show and produced a pilot, got the numbers, and the follow through from A24 to have Bento Box animate her show.
In terms of shit content, it will be up to the parents of young children to regulate and allow them to watch weird stuff like Skibidi Toilet but also introduce them to high quality stuff like Kiki's delivery service and Lion King/etc.
No. 1929690
>>1929685I imagine that big studios are going to heavily invest in AI but in the worst possible way. They've killed off any original IPs, so they can train AI on whatever they want to reboot this time round and get AI to write and sing songs voiced by AI actors. To be fair the writing and character design in animation are so subpar nowadays that AI is probably a step up from whatever genderspecial munchies they'd have hired. AI doesn't spend all day on Twitter shitting itself over cartoons.
But yes, you're right, AI or not, animation is already digging its own grave. AI will only speed up the process.
No. 1929706
>>1929608I agree it's pretty ugly. To be fair AI is improving really fast, I couldn't imagine even a generic animation like this being generated so fast just by inputting text even two years ago. I don't doubt it's gonna get better with every year.
It's sad, I feel like art is actually going to be cheapened a lot by higher quality AI mass-production in future.
No. 1929770
>>1928436I honestly think more TV shows with all female casts are a good thing overall - More female leads that women and girls can see themselves in and less fandoms that worship male characters and analyze every time they blink. It would make browsing fan sites like Tumblr much less of a sausage fest.
My question is why can't we just have a normal girl's show? Why does it have to be poisoned in coom? Why can a friend group of women only be focused on in indie TV shows if they serve as sex objects?
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Zeurel is going to make Monkey Wrench,an indie animated series,into a motion comic due to budget reasons and not being popular.
No. 1929859
>>1929854>>1929853Samefagging
Honestly I'm not surprised at the decision,the animation community didn't give a shit about Monkey Wrench in the first place.No one talked about it even if Zeurel made it,it didn't seem interesting to me the earthworm jim guy looked really annoying tbh.this is why having an audience is extremely important
No. 1929894
>>1929853That's unfortunate, the style and core idea had potential, but it needed more work on the pacing (especially with the jokes, say what you will about Helluva Boss, but it does keep things snappy and doesn't telegraph a joke's beginning too terribly, which is a problem with a lot of online media– not saying HB's humour is actually good, but it is a useful comparison as a web series) and the writing (too much exposition that didn't need to be there right that second or could have been conveyed visually instead, and again the humour is very… 'online dweeb' and might make a kid laugh, at best). The main character needs work too because his VA's delivery is kinda all over the shop (doesn't sound like he's good at doing the high, nasally voice and he has weird enunciation at points that doesn't feel intentional) and everything he does is too… obvious for his archetype. You know exactly what he's going to do before he does it. This sort of stuff is easiest worked out instead of launching into production, which is a trend for a lot of these indie animated shows– I get the feeling they rarely involve script reads and rewrites, multiple drafts and test animatics, or proper directing of VAs.
There's some really nice character acting (for what it is) and what seems like a well thought out world for all of these characters with existing dynamics to interact in, but it wasn't ready to be as ambitious as it was. Ah well.
No. 1929904
>>1929863kek speaking of e-celebs making cartoons, god they all suck.
>LSMark's cartoon sounds incredibly boring and looks like calarts tom and jerry>Mr.enter is autistic and his cartoon idea makes no sense>Pan pizza's cartoon idea got laughed at by genddy and sounds retardeddaftpina's cartoon pilot is the fucking worst by far though, it looks and sounds AI generated. These cartoon critics should spend more time drawing and reading books and less time making 5 hour videos about family guy.
No. 1929927
>>1929770>More female leads that women and girls can see themselves in and less fandoms that worship male characters and analyze every time they blink. It would make browsing fan sites like Tumblr much less of a sausage fest. This is wishful thinking. Women and girls will gravitate towards content with male characters because part of fandom is expressing and exploring their own sexualities. There's enough media with male leads and fandoms focusing on men to last a century.
>My question is why can't we just have a normal girl's show? Why does it have to be poisoned in coom? Why can a friend group of women only be focused on in indie TV shows if they serve as sex objects?MLP:FiM WAS on track to be a normal girl's show, but it became treated like a moe girl anime by men and sexualized. Deranged men have money that can be extracted by catering to them.
No. 1929945
>>1929904holy fuck you weren't lying. the writing is so, so bad, it's overly verbose and thinks it's way smarter and wittier than it actually is, like all terrible online humour. Voice acting is incredibly flat and dead for every character, sounds more like a shitty scripted podcast than an actual show with characters. The visuals are just pathetic, there isn't much to say.
It reminds me of those fan animations putting visuals to a streamer/letsplayer/dnd podcaster's audio, but with all the soul sucked out and even lamer content than someones off-the-cuff bit
No. 1930023
>>1929995Did this anon just discover troons?
>>1929853I had never heard of this before now so I went and skipped through the pilot and the animation is surprisingly well done. Way better than Hazbin Hotel's pilot for example. I'm surprised it has so little views - you'd think the good animation would carry it a little further in artist circles
No. 1930105
>>1930097Not even a minute in and I hate it, this song has no identity of it's own and forgettable as fuck. It's a combination of different popular movie songs and it doesn't even hide that it's You're Welcome 2.0 with it's title, the guy can't even sing. I have to agree with the top comment: "This doesn't even sound like a villain song
This sounds like a millennial talking to their dog"
No. 1930142
>>1928525Kek, I remember that from the juststop video. Her parents even told Mick that they were happy she dumped Mark because he was an autistic manchild and they even thought it was weird that their daughter dated a child and not someone her age.
>>1928323That shit ain't ever coming out. He keeps rewriting it because everyone on /co/ makes fun of it constantly and shat on the leaked storyboards and the fact that he's so uncreative that he ASKS other artists to design simple characters so he can botch them with his art style.
Mark and Veronica want to work on a mascot horror game too. So he's gonna juggle a shit ton of projects that will stay unfinished. At least the people working for him are most likely making the easiest dime of their lives
No. 1930144
>>1929956As another
nonnie said; he makes 6 hour white noise vids for zoomers to consume as background noise. His videos are the equivalent to popcorn. He makes money from doing "I watched this whole series" reviews and I don't think the idiot realizes that if he does it constantly, he'll run out of things to do or make. Mentioning back to how he has all this money, he's only making the cartoon to prove he can make it. He doesn't actually give a fuck about making a genuine cartoon. He's only doing it as a big "fuck you" to people who say he can't.
Mark's the type of dude who would get "revenge" by wasting his time in the most Seinfeld-esque way ever. This dork is gonna get laughed at for his shit pilot, if it EVER comes out.
(unsaged doubleposting) No. 1930152
>>1930142>At least the people working for him are most likely making the easiest dime of their livesWhat I wanna know is how two perma-losers that are
toxic and have burned bridges with everybody in their lives have the ability to hire people to work for them. Where are they getting the money from, is one of them rich?
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>>1928586YWNBM: You Will Never Be Mettaton.
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Bryan lee O’Malley is annoying.
He shit all over what the audience wanted for Scott Pilgrim. He based Scott on himself and a few years after the movie came out he and his wife got a divorce. keeping that information in mind you can imagine what happens in the new show that was released today. the new show is a cope and seethe piece for his divorce. Tried to hard to be subversive only for it to fall on its face
No. 1930354
>>1930336The story is literally an incel self-insert moid power fantasy jerk off fest.
A broke piece of shit nerdling who has a minor GF(knives who is also a trope by not only being a minor but is also asian) cheats on her for a literal marysue manic pixie dreamgirl (Ramona) who is totally aloof but then falls for him because he's SOOOO unique and interesting! but he has to fight (and somehow defeats) a bunch of 'chads' (and one chick who they literally say that Ramona dated because of a 'phase' aka what all incels think of bisexual/lesbian women) who are all actually successful adults who have jobs and lives, but Scott is totally so much better than all of them despite being a literal deadbeat loser.
But he's a nerd and is in a band so that redeems all of his literal dog shit behavior!!! (I hope the sarcasm is noted)
No. 1930408
>>1930354Just watching the trailers for the movie that was released back in my days would make me roll my eyes.
>>1930359Exactly, I’m sick of remakes, at this point it’s better to just do literally anything else than consume media at all.
Like seriously, if it isn’t catering to gendercult shit, it’s devoid of any personality or interesting ideas for the sake of not being too crazy so companies don’t lose money after producing the most mind-numbing bullshit.
I know this is just me preaching to the choir but what’s even the point of creating media even? Everything needs to get desperately hooked to some pre-existing IP from any past decade, if you don’t want your shit to flop, then you must add some TQWERTY bullshit even if you don’t really want to, even if your story has nothing to do with that, if for some reason you don’t have any of those things, you’re either a TQWERTY yourself or you use the faint essence of past decades and scream every 5 seconds “IT’S A REFERENCE TO SOMETHING FROM INSERT DECADE!!!! IT’S SO QUIRKY!!!” Or you add some unnecessary political commentary that literally nobody gives a fuck about and if anything, everyone is sick off already.
>inb4 be the change you want to seeNot everyone is a writer or animator or just has the contacts to just get up and say “I got an Idea!!!!” Because as I’ve noticed, animation circles and companies are just teeny tiny clubs full of scared people that are afraid of losing their money, which is
valid I guess, and it’s honestly smart to just recycle stuff because in the end, to a child, animated Cinderella will be the same thing that live action Cinderella is, and that child will want to wear the dress and buy the toys, same as Spider-Man for boys and whichever dead horse companies can keep on beating forever.
Idk, I’m not even frustrated or mad even, it’s more like I’m just disappointed because with how technology has been supposedly advancing, you would expect to see some really crazy and cool new things, like more movies that are clearly made to enjoy with 4D technology, or maybe movies with graphics that look
better on these weird ass curved TVs, make the screen of the cinema curved too even, or VR direct movies where the characters make you follow the plot with them idk, things that wouldn’t necessarily work with plots that everyone already knows of.
So yeah, I’m done with movies and series, it’s like being in a constant groundhog day where all we can do is laugh at the new additions like not so undercover fetishes and cringe dialogues.
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>>1930354To be fair Scott in the beginning got dumped by Envy and regressed so hard he dated a high schooler because it was “easier” all his friends did judge him and then told him to leave her. Knives is a
victim but I’m glad their relationship didn’t go further than what is shown. At the end of SP he does get a job at a vegan cafe and grows up. Ramona was always running away from her problems and would essentially ghost her exes. The league of exes makes her confront her past.
One thing I really liked about knives in the reimagining is she became a really good musician learning bass and piano in a few hours. Unfortunately she ends up joining Scott’s band as the keyboardist.
No. 1930478
>>1930354Scott and Ramona are
supposed to be jerks. O'Malley has said outright that Scott and Ramona aren't good people. Because the movie was made before the comic was finished, the plot ends prematurely, ostensibly rewarding the characters for being assholes. The characters' arcs are more fully realized in the comic. Also, Michael Cera is fine in the role of Scott, but I think he's a little too dorky and likeable.
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>>1928171it really looks like what vivziepop wishes she could draw and design like.
alas, modern cartoons are made with the intent of curating a fanbase, and must be "sexy" or appealing to coomers in some way, lauren faust is too skilled and creative and pure for this current world.
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Anyone else watching the Nicolas Cantu (Gumballs old VA) fight with Dream? I’ll give a summary
>Cantu interacts with parody dream account calling him a pedo (because he is)
>Dream calls him out for assault, racism, and being rude to an Uber driver
>Cantu admits to all except racism
>Everyone sides with Cantu bc Dream is a known liar and groomer
>Dream drops a video of the Uber ride,
>Cantu is being a little dickhead to ths driver, calls dream a faggot, asks dream if he’s Jewish for being greedy
>Dream also drops fake texts with the uber driver (driver has iPhone in video, Dreams texts have green)
>Time during all of this, Cantu was 19, 3 years under the drinking age
>Dream held onto the video of underage Cantu being a dickhead for years until Cantu “betrayed” him, and he posted it publicly
>Cantu has yet to comment
Never thought I’d watch a VA beef with a Minecraft YouTuber but it’s funny
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>>1930584Cradle robbers are relentless.
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>>1930604samefagging. Remember to never marry a moid, once you settle they feel comfortable and let themselves go. Even someone like veronica doesnt deserve such a fat piggy husbando.
No. 1930663
>>1930617>let themselves goI feel someone like Mark would be too autist to "let himself go"
ie I don't think a guy with that Sonic shelf and that reviews cartoons for a living would have the social awareness to purposefully work on himself to be attractive.
My bet is on this being the result of not living with his parents anymore, so they can't tell him to not eat mcdonals five days a week and make him proper meals every day.
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>>1930617I don't understand how moids can get so fat? My dad managed to lose like 20 pounds in just a month by simply cutting out beer and taking daily walks. That's all it took, male metabolism is the one thing I feel gander envy for.
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>>1930354Thank you
nonny, this was so cathartic to read. Basically just confirms every reason for why I've hated this detestable story. Also I'm a firm believer it helped paved the way for bringing the shitty Calarts Style we see in animation today
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>>1930943Here's on the HH pilot
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It's been nearly 2 months and no update on Ang from her "EOL" caretaker" since early October other than vague sentiments. I'm not a expert but if Ang couldn't reach food by herself as she claimed at the time of her posts, wouldn't she have died by now? Can't shake off the feeling this is just a elaborate ploy for attention again and she'll be asking for money again any time soon.
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>>1931109Kek I don’t know how my retard ass fucked up so badly but I forgot the pic. Im talking about Disney’s “Wish”.
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>>1931109>>1931114I think the worst part is that it's not egregiously horrible or so-bad-its-good, it just terribly mediocre.
And they published and entire book of better ideas from the concept phase and didn't go with any of them!
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>>1931116>>1930359I have comfy memories of reading the comics back in 2010 when I was 23 years old
>tfw 1997 was as far away from 2010 as 2010 is to now No. 1931121
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>>1931109Taken from the other farms. If this meta shit is true, I'm going to scream.
No. 1931125
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>>1931114It’s getting slammed by critics, I know Disney has been on a bad streak lately but I can’t believe this was the best they could do for their big 100th anniversary film. It must have been a mess in development.
>>1931118 would have been fun and thrown back to the Genie from Aladdin since this movie is supposed to be all about nostalgic references to their past films but I guess shoving in 7 characters who get nothing to do to have as a Snow White easter egg was more important
>>1931121Idk about the last bit but a friend who saw an early screening said that the end credits feature a million character cameos, including ones that no one cares about like the cows from Home on the Range, lol.
No. 1931130
>>1931121Saw Wish preview this weekend.
The King is absolutely an insane narc. Everything in the reddit post frames it ad 'woe! The king did nothing wrong! He SIMPLY wanted to protect his people! Everyone turned against him and he was just trying to restore "order" with his spellbook.'
He is a straight up NPD clusterbee maniac who holds people's wishes over their heads to soft power control the kingdom, blackmails and lies about everything, and is easily corrupted by magic. He is mean to everyone, and even with seemingly unlimited magical powers he every woman in the story overpowers him with bookcases, long-winded questions, mice, and songs. Men be seething. Let woman have their power fantasy (Asha isn't a princess but other than that it's a power fantasy).
No. 1931151
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Sage because this is old, but Thurop Van Orman’s (creator of Flapjack) son who played live action Flapjack in the finale is trans now. I found out because Thurop’s Wikipedia lists him as having two daughters. His twitter is almost entirely TRA posts, specifically supporting child transition. His son was named Leif and now goes by Blossom. Just very depressing all around.
No. 1931183
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>>1931164I can’t tell exactly when his son began transitioning because Thurop went back and edited almost all his old instagram posts referring to him as “she”, “her”, and “Blossom” (unless he has been referring to his son as a girl since 2013, which would be even worse). He turned 18 in June of this year, so he was definitely a child when it started. He’s still credited as “Leif” in Angry Birds 2, which came out in 2019 when he was 14, so my guess is he was trooned between 14 and 17.
>>1931175Yeah Thurop was a storyboard artist and co-writer on PPG
No. 1931268
>>1931244When I first saw Flapjack I was 100% sure that Flapjack was voiced by a woman.
>>1931246Same, and I really enjoyed the show and its humor. I hate that this tranny shit is absolutely everywhere now
No. 1931350
>>1931244That song was in the episode Something’s a Miss where Flapjack thinks he needs to get dangerous surgery to change his voice because people mistake him as a girl. It ends with Flapjack being happy that Dr. Barber could tell he was actually a boy (because he’s a doctor) and he becomes accepting of his voice, as his voice is a boy voice because he’s a boy. Flapjack had a ton of jokes that would be considered transphobic today, like 6:30 of vid related.
>>1931268Flapjack was such a cool GNC character. You’d think the creator of that would understand the whole trans thing is BS. He probably supports fans who headcanon Flapjack as trans now.
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Toonhive made a tweet about the Ang situation (based on a youtube video with one sub lmfao) but deleted it after the person mentioned in the second half threatened to sue for libel and now proshippers are having a hissy fit because they won't "speak for victims"
No. 1931443
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>>1931435MTF who knew Ang and left her like most of Ang's other friends after finding out she drew shota on a separate account. He made a thread defending himself which Toonhive ended up rting after they retracted the statements.
No. 1931451
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>>1931447He has a thread on the farms along with a fairly traceable internet trail on him. Funny to see pre tra sition pics and then photos with Ang.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/james-jimmy-thomas-adam-jane-adam-meowtaindeww-meowtaindeww_-whowantsstancakes-doodladoo.65066/ No. 1931456
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>>1931451Holy shit, that’s Lifeonthefastjane, he’s friends with one of my personal animation industry cows, Malcolm Thomas, a NGMI orbiter wannabe who has literally never improved his art and constantly whines about struggling to find work, lol.
Go figure that Jane’s clique is full of some of the biggest autists in the industry.
No. 1931463
>>1931458TLDR Ang Vondra is animator that worked on Mighty Magiswords and other miscellaneous projects. Around 2019-2020 She got caught with a alt account where she posted shotacon and that whole situation blacklisted her from the industry and made most of her friends leave her. Now Ang's claiming because she doesn't have access to healthcare (she can't get a job) she's going to let herself die though that's been extremely vague last.
Keep in mind she claims to have several chronic illnesses and that she was professionally diagnosed with DID. She's also been known to suibait and then leave her followers in the dust only to come back to beg for money and make wild claims that aliens had abducted her on two separate occasions so yeah she's quite the cow kek
No. 1931465
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>>1931458Maybe he’s just a cow to me but I know enough people in industry circles to be familiar with him because he’s a spergy animation fanboy who orbits anyone who’s ever worked professionally. He has no understanding of fundamentals or draftsmanship but is delusional enough to believe that he’s eventually going to land a steady industry job because people like Kyle and Nico Colaleo take pity on him and occasionally hire him for cleanup work on their projects. I’m fascinated by people that draw for this long and plan their whole careers around art only to NEVER improve.
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>>1931465Damn,
nonnie, no wonder you think of him as a cow, his portfolio is full of garbage. His portfolio really does depress me but puts a fire under my ass, makes me wanna study kek
No. 1931494
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>>1931443>>1931451He's disgusting and racist kek
No. 1931508
>>19314944tran strikes again. The percentage of TIMs who
weren't edgy incels at any point in their lives must be astonishingly low.
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Vivziepop claims the Helluva Boss pilot is no longer canon.
No. 1931619
>>1931513This
>>1931494 is a white man are your eyes broken?
No. 1931624
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>>1931615>What is even going on in the show now?it's the sad imp can't spit it out show. also they're barely putting the most popular character in any more
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OK SO - After some apprehension, I just watched the first few episodes of Scott Pilgrim Takes Off and I actually really like it. It turns out it's a different, more introspective story from the comics and the movie and I recommend giving it a chance.
SPOILER: There's a big twist at the end of the first episode, and the story takes over from Ramona's perspective as she confronts her exes herself and reflects upon her relationships. I found it really refreshing. Also, apparently the show is making the fanboy moids seethe, which is an added bonus for me, kek.
No. 1931685
>>1931673Yes, Science Saru
>>1931677Your taste is bad
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>>1931600>>1931652tbf characters are changed from their pilot versions all the time. Sometimes, the changes are more drastic then Helluva Boss. For example, in Avtar Toph was originally planned to be a masculine adult man. This was the plan until one of the writers pointed out that it was weird to have a grown adult man in the main cast with teenagers and all the issues that might present. Additionally, the episodes of him training Aang come across as
abusive. Therefore, they went in the completely opposite direction and made that character into a blind little girl,
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>>1931671I tapped out after episode 4. But I never liked Scott Pilgrim outside of the game. Painfully boring, hardly any jokes, ost is lacking. The show has an identity crisis because I'm not sure what it's trying to be. Fight scenes could have been amazing and are barely worth the slog. Also has some odd choices on voice acting, one of the characters just mumbles/slurs and I often don't know wtf he just said. Doesn't help that all of the characters are so boring and forgettable while trying to have this deep esoteric story.
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>>1931955Me too. I'm so sick of seeing the fugly round shit. Give me more anime-inspired cartoons where they're not afraid to give us sharp corners and sexy men with chiseled jawlines
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>>1931967Samefagging to post more screencaps of this beautiful cartoon
No. 1932042
>>1931968>>1931967>sharp corners and chiseled jawlinesDon't say that too loud, you don't want the autists to hear you and give every character massive jaw implants do you ?
>>1931990Pandemonium, short film from Gobelins school
No. 1932053
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>>1931967fuck no, i hate the voltron style. Bring back UPA styled cartoons like PPG, and cartoons with more interesting, unique styles like samurai jack.
No. 1932092
>>1931888I liked it when it came out. But is it me or does it feels slightly outdated? The humor and delivery reminds me of humor that was popular on tumblr ca. 2012. I know the voice actors aren't professional so maybe that's why it feels like that.
I do think its a shame that it never got picked up. it could work as a character driven dark comedy with some helllore sprinkled in.
But based on this short the dynamic between Socks and Jonathan is meh. they come off as "the sunshine one and the gloomy one but the sunshine one has a dark secret!!" which can get boring fast but to be fair this video is way too short to make judgments regarding character dynamics.
I do like that Socks isn't an edgelord even if he is obsessed with murder. He's an average dorky kid who just happens to have murderous tendencies which adds to the comedy imo. But his name and design is too tryhard quirky
I'm not only talking about his clothes. First time I saw it I thought he was a puppet or something non-human because of his button nose and super round face No. 1932119
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>>1931888I remember this. It's old as hell. I remember being interested in it at the time but looking back, it feels very 'of its time'. Evidently she's still making this thing, and making merch of it judging by her channel.
It's kind of sad to see, but it's kind of the reality, that if you don't have funding or anyone backing you up it really does take more than 10 years to get a project off the ground. At this point, if I was her I'd have moved on.
Side note on picrel, but I hate styles with this stupid upper lip flap.
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>>1932119>Side note on picrel, but I hate styles with this stupid upper lip flap.ME TOO! That's the main reason why I hate the Owl House design, I absolutely hate it and I have no idea why
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>>1932124Also side note while looking for examples I found this article calling it the "Best Queer Kids Show". "Queer" or any term regarding sexuality has no place next to the phrase "Kids' show". How does nobody else think it's fucking weird to make the main selling point "sexuality" in a kids' adventure show about dragons and magic and stuff? Like, what? We don't even know some characters' favorite foods, colors, or favorite animals - why do these creators need to fall all over themselves to include who their characters want to fuck? It's creepy, right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
No. 1932141
>>1932131Thousands of kids shows with overt love interests are fine when they're heterosexual though and it's totes not about sex because it's not labeled as a straight show therefore it's normal, unlike those disgusting gay cartoons being shoved in our faces.
The aggressive queer marketing and alphabet pride pandering is retarded but the way you argue your point doesn't work both ways.
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Everything Viv does makes me wanna alog so bad, especially her character designs. From the over designed and hard to look at characters, the obvious furry coom bait, ugly fujo bait, historically inaccurate outfits, retarded outfits and designs that make no sense, the RED, the ugly ass male characters, the lack of color theory and so on. Like what the fuck is this lmao. Why is his collar split into two different shades of green? Why are his sleeves different shades? I mean Jesus Christ it’s so ugly and unnecessary. I’d kill myself if i had to animate this shit.
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>>1932149Nta,holy crap this is tremendously ugly and abysmal,how they managed to animate this atrocity is beyond me.no one one wants to work with her fat ass because her expectations are too high and she's extremely demanding,that's why a lot of people on her team quit.
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>>1932149>>1932170I've said this before, but I think her best designs come when she has a guide to go off or any sort of direction. For example, the Goetias were inspired by the Lesser Key of Solomon (although it's likely she did nothing more than a simple Google search). But either way, when she has something to work off of, it results in more interesting and organic designs.
No. 1932357
>>1932124this show is so fucking ugly to look at.
>>1931967>>1931968no thank you. i agree with
>>1932053 No. 1932383
>>1932141NTA, and not arguing against your actual main point, but I do find it kinda weird when kids shows focus a lot on relatiship drama. Something like Regular Show or maybe those awkward girly high school girl shows from the 00's at least seemed a bit more targeted at early teens so it makes a bit more sense, but something more kiddy like SVTFOE that is supposed to be about magic puppies and shit but also wants to do soap opera tier relationship drama and makes ship fodder a main selling point feels weird to me.
>>1932264>>1932337The particular way it's drawn in the Owl House has always made me think of Doraemon.
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>>1932357>this show is so fucking ugly to look at.i agree, which is a shame because dana tarrace is the only modern western artists in the cartoon industry who can actually draw. I fucking love her art, even though i have never watched the owl house(and refuse to). She's also the only modern cartoon creator who seems to actually enjoy drawing, her twitter is full of pretty art. Meanwhile rebecca sugar/alex hirsch/pendleton ward/jgquintel's twitter and its only unrelated tweets shilling merch or photos with maybe a low effort doodle in the middle. I fucking hate how lazy modern cartoon creators are, they dont see animation as art but as a cheaper more accessible alternative to live action. You can tell most never draw after they finish their shows, because they dont care about art.
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>>1932440You remember this show have enbies?
(learn to sage) No. 1932498
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So looks like the wish leaks turned out to be true, the king does get turned into the magic mirror
No. 1932507
>>1931121id expect most of this to be true, a boring, safe movie with no conceptual or aesthetic sophistication or reverence is exactly on par for the course. but that last segment hit me like a truck, someone please fucking confirm the goat founds zootopia that is so retarded its outstanding
>>1931130i get where youre coming from but from the first reviews/synopses and the picture book it really seems like a case of "well he doesnt really do anything tangibly damaging because that doesnt focus test well so we'll just give him an annoying faggot personality to show that hes the bad guy". it would be cool if he was actually destructive and threatening. the way you describe him being beaten sounds so fucking boring. like, i dont find it empowering, or interesting, or fulfilling to see female characters handed success in stories, easily brushing past insignificant obstacles. i want female characters who struggle their way to victory, who overcome but not without being changed by their journeys. it would be nice for a story to afford women characters power, agency, and humanity, rather than a little consolation lollipop labelled "empowerment"
No. 1932525
>>1932514Yes I was talking about puppy kek this whole situation is so ridiculous. Like imagine trying to contact an estranged friend bcs you're worried about her well being and her virtual caretaker from outside the country says no kekk
Also this is not the first time Ang said she was going to die and then be radio silent for months.
And puppy tweeted earlier this month saying this situation is dificult for "us" meaning Ang is alive. I wish she would stop treating this as a schrodgner's cat and just confirm she is indeed alive. But no, she took the coward's route and abandoned her Twitter, leaving this on the air for anyone who was curious about Ang. Pathetic, both of them.
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>>1932507>someone please fucking confirm the goat founds zootopia that is so retarded its outstandingIt's real, also peter pan shows up.
No. 1932558
>>1931109they do it on purpose so they can have an excuse to never write BW characters well or again. People were able to do it in the 90s but not today?
Sus to me
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>>1932557Rebecca does have an unusual style, but I don't think it's ugly. A lot of her older things looked weird, but her art in general tended to be much darker back then. Some SU episodes from the first season are fucking nuts in that sense, and I think her style fits the type of stories she wants to tell. I don't like the idea that faces have to look pretty all the time, you already have a shitton of same-face anime girls like
>>1932569 said.
No. 1932593
>>1932525Last I checked she (puppy) was still active on her main acct but I can’t remember the username.
>>1932550Ugh this is so corny.
No. 1932594
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>>1932590I am used to japanese animators being able to draw like this. Something that unpolished doesnt impress me much. Rebecca suffers from same-face pretty badly, but instead of pretty button nosed disney princess face its big lips+big nose+round eyes faces. Also, it's funny dana used to hate animu, because her art reminds me of the rkgk i would see from japanese animators on twitter.
No. 1932608
>>1932592That’s not what I meant, my point is that those social media artists who draw nice anime faces and pretty colors are lacking in fundamentals that Rebecca and Dana both have and can’t draw proper perspective, lighting, depth, gesture, backgrounds, bodies, proportions etc. Having an ugly style doesn’t negate the rest. I do think there are many western show runners who are lacking in technical skill, and use weird limbs and ugly stylization to hide poor fundies. For example the Infinity Train creator Owen Dennis, or the Primos creator Natasha Kline. Dana and Rebecca are both very good, I still think Rebecca is slightly better.
No. 1932620
>>1932608I agree and I honestly really like Rebecca’s older work. It’s ugly but it’s interesting ugly, I’m tired of everything being “pretty” all the time. The fact that she has a good understanding of fundamentals helps
As for Dana, she is technically extremely skilled but her work bores me to tears.
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>>1931494Now he's claiming Ang molested him? Immediately want to call bullshit but Ang IS a documented chaser / "girl dick" worshipper. Also the section where she apparently told him that he looked like her sister and that was hot sounds too much like the other retard shit she's said. Ang doesnt seem know personal space and she admitted to much in her video where she gushes about a girl who she was borderline stalking / obsessed with. If it is true though he's 100% exaggerating.
No. 1932665
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So, people are speculating that the next episode of Helluva Boss(titled Full Moon) will focus on Stolas, because he's been associated with moon imagery before, and the last significant plot development was Stolas acquiring the Crystal to give to Blitzo. So this would be the fourth episode this season centered around Stolas, which is literally half of all the episodes this season. Meanwhile, Millie hasn't received even one episode focused on her, and Loona hasn't even had a single line
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>>1932665I wouldn't mind it so much if they didn't drag out whatever blitzø's deal is for two seasons
seemingly the only healthy relationship is the straight one
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>>1932656His twitter seems to be deleted
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>>1932638yoh yoshinari. He's extremely talented a his style is very flexible, he's actually a huge fan of western animation. Pic rel is fanart of MLATR he did, he's a huge fan.
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>>1932710speaking of MLaaTR, the Teenage Robot Rebooted people are releasing something this Christmas:
https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=LyIWbF--BTA No. 1932745
>>1932710I love Yoshinari's work and his own love for cartoons really shines through, it's like the best of both worlds. He's probably like every other scrotey Japanese animator but I can't deny or disrespect his talent, his dynamic style is so eyecatching. I need to look at his more realistic studies. Anime is in for a bad time when his generation of talent all retire and die off.
I don't get why there are so few Western animators who draw this "perfectly", I am a little biased as a former weeb but even modern indies who are considered talented have severe compromises somewhere like low frame rate or lack of shading or the animation equivalent of chicken scratch that make them look worse. Compare Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust and Netflix's Castlevania since they're similar in style and mood, the former is impossible to criticize unlike the latter where people rip on the fight scenes constantly. (FWIW I think anime is slowly going through a talent drain problem of its own, just later than ours, and the 'best' sakuga there is getting worse in the same way: too much movement, weak storyboarding, abuse of digital effects and smears to cover poor colour blocking and anatomy etc)
The only names in Western animation I can recall rn who measure up to the same standards are old Disney, Don Bluth and his crop of talent, and the Dreamworks of The Prince of Egypt.
(learn to sage) No. 1932814
>>1932739interesting. Normally fan projects are super hyped up and end up being dissapointing fanservice(sonic boom), but i like the art direction they went with.
>>1932745most westerners involved in the animation industry dont really like drawing or art. Even the ones that arent amerimutts eventually grow out of it and stop drawing. Meanwhile, Yoh Yoshinari didnt just lend his project over to korean animators, he actually worked on the animation himself. I have also noticed that tons of western animators dont seem to want to get involved in ''low tier'' work after they made a cartoon. Yoh yoshinari and other japanese animators work on their passion projects and then go back to being storyboarders/animators. Anime is purely passion-fuelled and its the reason we can have such high quality animation in such high quantities. I love western animation, but there is such a strange heriarchy amongst creators. Western animators seem to go from storyboarders>writers>creators, and once they create a cartoon they dont tend to go back to ''lesser'' roles. Meanwhile, Japanese animators dont seem to have a trouble by going back to animating/storyboarding after they hit it big. It explains why those big name cartoon creators that graduate out of calarts end up being shitty artists, they dont really like art or drawing.
>>1932779its something he did in his free time its not like he could over polish it
No. 1932830
>>1932820>One PieceOda could've ended OP over a decade ago and be a millionaire living off royalties for the rest of his life yet he's still drawing weekly shonen manga after 25 years.
Weekly manga.
20 pages per week.
25 years.
I'm sorry for really driving this home, but some people don't seem to process just how insane this is. Shueisha has to put him on mandatory breaks just so he won't work himself to literal death.
What is this if not passion?
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>>1932631Disney has gotten super lazy lately. They posted picrel on their instagram, and it looks AI-generated.
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>>1932903Samefag. Here's the painting it's based on for comparison.
No. 1932997
>>1932976Ang (the woman that “Jane” is throwing the bus) is a mentally ill person who wants to fucks little boys due her
abusive upbringing
So she thinks she has those fake disabilities like DID or whatever and left her public Mastodon of Mac and Frankie rape porn out and open like that
(learn to sage) No. 1933085
>>1931671I enjoyed the show too anon, the art style was so cute that I just had to try drawing it myself kek Not to shit on O'Malley's art style but I think it's cool how the studio managed to tweak it a bit and make it look so appealing.
What did you think of the voice acting? That's something that I'm seeing a lot of dislike for but I personally thought it was fine for the most part. It's true that the acting isn't very hyper or heavily emotive but I think the reason why it doesn't bother me all that much is because I feel like the show has this down to earth vibe.
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>>1932903the face of my nightmares tonight
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To the people who want 2D animated films back, I really sympathize with them, and I want them back too (like, so much). But I don't think people realize the very specific factors that drove the death of 2D animation. My old art professor explained it like this: for over a decade (since the late 90s till the 2000s), 3D animated films were performing really well financially. DreamWorks and Pixar's formula of casting recognizable actors and using 3D, for whatever reason, despite the huge difference in film quality, worked. They were outperforming Disney every time. The same thing was happening with in DreamWorks. All of their 2D animation films were just breaking even, while 3D films were performing financially well. All it took was just a few underperforming films due to bad luck, and 3D gradually phased out everything. Now, the institutions for 2d animation just do not exist anymore, and it sucks. But we can only hope that this decade, the few 2D films that are released perform really well for the tide to gradually turn
https://vipertimes.com/6362/features/the-death-of-disneys-2d-animation/#:~:text=2D%20animation%20takes%20a%20lot,because%20it%20lowered%20labor%20costs.
this article goes more into this.
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>>1933144dont worry 2D animation lovers we are getting a brand new 2D animated movie striaght from genndy tartakovsky's mind about a dog's balls, a wonderful family picture that will reignite the flame for the lost art of 2d hand drawn animation. 2D animation kino is back on the menu guys.
No. 1933167
>>1932814I have to agree with
>>1932815 that saying anime is purely passion fueled is a bit silly, but I think I agree with the rest of your logic. I also feel most "animators" in the US side of the industry actually don't care about animating all. Since US studios outsource the actual animation to SK, American animators mostly only actually do storyboarding, and it feels like they don't actually have passion or artistic focus on the art of creating movement itself. It feels like people that go into the animation industry in the US, instead of being people that genuinelly like animating and the animation process, are just people that like creating characters and stories (ie writting), so their end goal is, as you said, storyboarders>writers>creators, not actually animating or getting better at animation. There's also the question of western academia focusing less on actual draftsmanship.
There's also the way western tv cartoons are made to be low budget, but all the high budget (ie movies) productions are in 3D, so there's not really any motivation or proper setting for US artists to git good at animating 2D.
There
are great western/american animators, but they're mostly old retired guys that occasionally do a guest appearance doing a couple actually well animated shots in random shows, or (mostly also old) guys that left the industry and spend 30 years working on their own project by themselves. Occasionally you also get pseudo-sakuga from some Gobelins student projects.
No. 1933182
>>1933167I can tell you that you're right about most of this and part of the reason why actually animating in 2d isn’t held in greater focus is because institutions will beat it out of you and basically tell you it's either 3d, storyboarding or nothing. You don't need to be a particularly good artist to be either of those things but they still want, storyboard artists in particular, to do everything; timing, editing and audio syncing, even some in-betweening, depending on the project you're on.
If you look at professional boards done 20 years ago, you'll see the bar has raised and they all look different to the standard they expect now. So storyboard artist is the closest thing you'll get to being a 2d animator.
Procreate dreams has been out for a couple days now; what does everyone think about it here? Will it rekindle some interest in making good 2d animation projects, or will making it accessible like this yield a similar affect that Procreate did in that we're in for more crap?
I don't know how good it'll be at making full animation projects, it's definitely giving me the impression it's going to be good for shorter stuff. The tech demos are nice but there are definitely going to be limitations. At best it's like procreate in that it's a neat little scratch board or like a sketchbook. I could be wrong. I've been using it and wishing it wasn't an iPad exclusive, I don't favor touch gestures for shortcuts.
No. 1933204
>>1933144>>1933160The western animators that still are really passionate about 2D and have solid draftmenship skills are either too old to do side hustle passion projects or are all coomery degenerates that make stuff like this.
The video also ties in nicely with the discussion here
>>1929853>>1929863Showing again how indie animators latch onto one idea and never let it die, but instead kill themselves to squeeze another cent out of a concept very few care about (except the creators themselves who have invested their heart and soul into some dumbass half written project).
No. 1933251
>>1933239You could say that about any job dumbass. Do you even know how many frames were needed to get to 20 minutes of animation? And how much of that had to be discarded or reworked? I don't even like Monkey Wrench, but your attitude is the reason why animators get underpaid.
>>Animating frames only takes time not money, retardAlso have you never heard of the expression "time is money"?
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>>1933239Nonita is on the cusp of learning what "paid labor" is.
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How are you guys feeling about the new season of Invincible so far? I'm liking it a lot personally, I'm excited to see more of it. The show ended up making me start reading the comics.
No. 1933349
>>1932550the voice is so fucking jarring, holy shit. if the whole movie has this tone, which i am of course certain it will….. actual kekkington.
it looks so fucking UNFINISHED and blobby, its insane. their centennial animation…. gawddamn
>>1932553sora should show up period
>>1933101mickey and goofy's bastard mpreg abortion
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>>1933008I'd say this is pretty close
No. 1933646
>>1933624sage for OT, I have a personal cow(whom I used to be somewhat friends with at one point). We were both fans of the Walking Dead when it was airing. However, she has devolved in these past few years. She casually talks about how "hot" it is to read about children being raped. And it's not limited to 2D drawings; she refers to actual child actors with adult men, and a few times real case of csa
victims. any attempts to reason with her is useless, she'll reply with "it's just fiction and that you should focus on real children being harmed". she is an echo chamber which normalizes this type of rhetoric. I feel this Ang person was in a similar situation.
No. 1933931
>>1933851that's what I was talking about
>>1933780I think Kate is supposed to be a teen too. Glad I dropped it.
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>>1933987massive spoilers for the end of the series, none of the things in the pages are presented as bad, enlightened despotism is shown to be more effective and better for everyone then liberal democracy.
No. 1934229
>>1934220ayrt and tbh I wouldn't even disagree that a lot of that stuff is shock value, I just found it entertaining (did hate the timeskip though, but I kinda hate all timeskips because it always either feels like the author is cutting off or out something interesting, or it completely fucks the narrative momentum and both kill my investment). The trauma conga line for Mark did get a bit much too, especially when it just caused interruptions.
>>1933987>>1934201>>1934215I feel like this stuff is almost inevitable when people try to take the superhero concept more 'realistically' (in quotes because what they usually mean is cynically) and try to come up with worldbuilding and situations to justify it. An example is the classic 'if Superman was real he'd be a dictator' take, which ignores the core concept of Superman as a character/person. A lot of these authors are disillusioned turbo nerds who got bullied and should never have power because they'd gleefully take out their frustrations on other people if they could, and their darker or edgier works tend to reflect this.
No. 1934256
>>1934220Different anon here and I also think it felt like a plot device for
Mark/the Viltrumites, especially because his rapist gets no development whatsoever, she basically appears and dies and he just has to accept the child but also doesn’t really? I feel like the writer wanted to dive deeper on certain plot points but yadda yadda 20 year comic, decades of harsh deadlines, etc. They just wanted to wrap it up. I also feel like they really wanted to develop
Bulletproof more but that fizzled out too.
>>1934201This also honestly just read like them trying to figure out how to end it to me. The comic is soap opera tier drama from start to end, and it also shows Mark
slowly evolving into his Viltrumite genes but in a different way. That’s kind of what the different dimension Marks foreshadow, it’s inescapable for him. He grows up and he still kind of behaves like his father pre-earthing, and acting like a less violent and non-genocidal despot is how he does it. The show focuses a lot more on emotional development so I wonder if they’ll make him suffer trying to rationalize it more in later seasons. No. 1934559
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Someone dared made a video jabbing at Helluva Boss and Vivzie of course made of a response out of it and defend her writing and humor. If she can’t handle that then how the hell is she gonna face the critics towards HH?
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>>1934393I’m surprised Alex Hirsch’s Netflix project isn’t canned yet.
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>>1934720Because Nick Kroll created it
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>>1934790This, I liked aspects of the show, but I hated all the side characters, It felt like the writer was trying to make one of them, the next roger from American dad.
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>>1933740I love how the message of that particular scene was supposed to be "female-on-male rape is
just as bad, guys"—yet the panel for it is one of the porniest things ever kek. It's basically the writer's hidden femdom fetish showing.
No. 1935828
>>1935788
>when it was Hasbro's decisions to turn the show into marketing to sell toys to little girls…nona…this is
Hasbro we're talking about. This is their bread and butter, kek.
No. 1935862
>>1935828yeah, i know. That's why i dont understand why anon is trying to imply lauren faust somehow made the show appeal to bronies isntead of the core audience, when the show never stopped jumping the shark to make new toys to appeal to little girls.
>>1935816the /mlp/ board was made in early 2013, when lauren faust was already off the project
No. 1935887
>>1935549Then pls be my prison les
femcel gf
nonnie>>1935816Nta but come on now. You gotta know that by the point bronies were a thing season 1 was already almost finished animating if not completely post-production. They weren't pandering to the small group of 4channers ironically watching the show, that everyone thought would be a passing fad anyways. Bronies didn't become an actual big thing until season 2, and didn't start getting pandered to until around season 3 and Faust was long gone by then. Bronies only really became a gross menace to society en masse around the time they stopped being fans of the show, and became fans of the fandom, just like every
toxic fandom that ruins shit
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AFAIK MLP:FiM wasn't even something she fully wanted to work on, she got proposed to work on it by Hasbro after Milky Way got rejected.
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>>1935862Bronies started popping up before season 1 was even over.