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No. 773289
I haven't been following her as closely lately so I don't have all the latest milk but here's some info from over the years
>Goes by Isibella, real name is Perdita Woodley>Has some family that was a duke or something>Her rich "master" picked her up in a bar in England when she was a teenager and brought her to the states to be his slave>Used to be really down to earth and nerdy, would talk about things like My Little Pony and World of Warcraft>Got a set of huge, horrible looking fake boobs (also lip injections, and some suspect a nose job sometime in there too) and suddenly became obsessed with "glamour" and "luxury" and her "rich life">Since becoming obsessed with portraying this spoiled little rich girl image she refuses to acknowledge her nerdy past >Always posting about how rich and fancy she is, how much she just loooove champagne and caviar and etc.>Always bragging about how she lives in a mansion>Wears circle lenses and animu makeup that make her look fucking creepy>Founded "The Chateau", which she says is "Like Playboy for kitten girls">Puts out a monthly (? not sure if she's still doing it) web zine about The Chateau with poorly photoshopped covers (released a cover that said "May 2015" in November once)>Says The Chateau accepts all models but almost all of them are skinny white girls>Widely reported to play favorites with Chateau models>Many accepted models submitted photosets that never got posted. Isibella, however, constantly continued to post pictures of herself.>When she eventually does post a model's photo they're often low rez and low quality>Bulk orders cheap metal collars from China and resells them for a huge markup as "official Chateau collars">Often says she's the "founder of the kittenplay kink">Brags that her picture is on the Wikipedia page for animal roleplay, but she uploaded it herself (if you look at it it says it was "uploaded by missisibella")>Posted a video on "types of kittens in kittenplay" where she basically said Chateau kittens were better/more elegant than other types of kittens (most of which she made up anyway)>Sadposts a lot about how her master not giving her enough attention>Her master at one point collared another girl instead of her>Her master has been known to flirt with/possibly harass other girls online>Goes by master's last name, no one's quite sure if theyr'e married or not>Heavily involved with the "vampire community", possibly in a relationship with vampire comunity leader Father Sebastiaan> Has been featured in a few short documentaries about the vampire and kittenplay communties>Friends with known pedo Dahvie VanityLinks:
https://thechateau.org/https://www.facebook.com/catgirlmanorhttps://www.instagram.com/the_chateau/https://www.facebook.com/isibella.antionettehttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007547626329&ref=br_rshttp://caviarandcream.tumblr.com/https://www.instagram.com/isibellaschateau/https://www.youtube.com/user/LittleSkyLarklslVampire documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XmdsiyjbT0First time posting a thread, hope this came out okay.
No. 773296
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>>773289Her boob job looks insane. And this is already year(s) later so it's all healed. I'm not sure what's going on with it. She must have had enough money to go to a good surgeon.
No. 773298
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Oh god, I saw her on that VICE documentary on Facebook. She seemed sort of weird but this is promising.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007547626329Another of her Facebook profiles. Also pic related is absolutely hilarious.
No. 773302
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There's no way she hasn't had work done on her face. Old pic for comparison.
No. 773303
>>773297maybe this is naive but i don't understand how people like this want to be seen as rich. how does being rich go with the oppressed queer mentally ill victim persona? aren't they worried their peers will guilt trip them or beg them for money or call them privileged?
do you only get a pass for being rich if you're a whore because you're sticking it to those white cis johns by taking their money?
i just don't get it because tumblrinas i've seen usually hate rich people, and if they're rich themselves they hide it and project onto others.
No. 773305
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>>773289>Brags that her picture is on the Wikipedia page for animal roleplay, but she uploaded it herself HA
No. 773306
>>773305Why in God’s name would she choose
that picture to post on the wiki page?!
No. 773307
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This is what she thinks a mansion is? Hahahahaha
No. 773308
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>>773296Oof if she has all this money to blow on surgery why the hell doesn't she fix her nasty teeth? Or at the very least get a fake one put in where she's missing a tooth, yikes.
No. 773309
File: 1532933194299.webm (5.49 MB, 1080x720, [hd] Madame Isibella - The Cha…)
This hurts to watch
No. 773310
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she charges $350 for these tacky things
No. 773311
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Pic dump of one of her Chateau "magazines".
Shitty shopped cover
No. 773312
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"Vampurrs", a term she completely made up
No. 773313
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"Adopted lovingly by the community" meaning her and her stans only, not anyone in the bigger scene
No. 773314
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>bery
No. 773315
File: 1532933959870.jpg (161.44 KB, 960x960, 23316306_1953127341615501_2058…)
Flat dumpy kitten girl asses
No. 773316
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Metal collar ordered in bulk from China, engraved with their logo and some shitty "crystals" glued on and sold for $200
No. 773319
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>>773318I think some are red and some are black. Looks awful.
$600 for a gold plated steel collar from China with cheap jewels glued to it. This bitch is delusional.
No. 773321
>>773302She looks like a completely different person now, freaky…
She used to be somewhat down to earth before her boob job at least. It was pretty sudden too because I thought she was happy with her body before. Maybe her master was checking out bustier girls and it made her self conscious?
No. 773323
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>>773300She's obviously not with the same guy anymore but rip
No. 773325
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>>773309Unico deserves so much better than this
No. 773326
>>773289Known about this girl for a while, mostly because she grew up somewhat close to me. She used to be very nerdy and quite down to earth but now seems very pompous and way too into the bubbly for someone who is "with child".
Her master used to/ works for Nasa, which explains her source of money, since I believe she isn't close to her family anymore.
Can't really hate on her figure because she's pretty qt, but I remember from a previous youtube vid that she got her lung punctured during her boob job, so couldn't have been that expensive..
No. 773336
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The official Chateau Tumblr is a fucking mess.
Also lmao @ the inspirational quote in their sidebar
No. 773337
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>>773296Bras don't even sit right on her because her boobs are so fucked up and high up on her chest
No. 773339
>>773337Wtf is that eyebrow jesus
>>773338She looks like an uglier Frank Wolf
No. 773340
File: 1533026200949.jpg (Spoiler Image,81.95 KB, 439x610, 08735245.jpg)
It's a shame because she used to be kind of cute before she was made of plastic
No. 773341
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>>773307Not to nitpick, but it is a cute looking house.
I could see why a woman who never grew up in a privileged background would think it's like a mansion.
>>773310I've seen the same tea set charms at Michael's. I bought them for a crafting gift for a whole $3, iirc.
Gosh you can even see the glue behind those rhinestones.
No way those headbands are costing her over $20 each. Whoever's buying these and those collars are directly funding her little retreat out in Colorado.
No. 773344
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>>773327They're like $40 on Chinese wholesale sites like Aliexpress and DHGate. Cheaper when bought in bulk.
The "crystals" are acrylic.
No. 773346
>>773342If you google her real name you can find information about her family, I believe her dad is a baron.
Her brother also has his own page on the rational wiki, apparently he's an alt-right pseudoscientist who's published several racist and sexist papers. Real charming family.
No. 773347
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>>773299Going through her old DeviantArt is so bizarre. She was just a kid, saying things like XD all the time and w00t, signing things XxXxPerdyxXxX, writing shitty emo poetry and random journal entries and drawing shitty anime art. She was just a kid. In one of her journals she said she "wasn't cut out to be an aristocrat, nor do I ever want to be one."
So strange and sad to see what she's become.
No. 773351
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I'm not 100% sure what this means but I think it says the company she owns/represents is delinquent on their taxes? Hmm
Maybe another anon can clarify
No. 773352
>>773323Here's what I've gathered from following her loosely for years and reading around on Tumblr.
Her master is Daniel, the guy who took her to the US when she was young. She and Daniel were together I believe since she was 18, so around 2006-2007. The house she lives in is Daniel's.
She also has another master, Giovanni, who she's posted about on various social medias.
After years of being with Daniel she got sick of him being too poly and fucking around with god knows how many other girls they broke up 1-2 years ago.
A bit after this time she was involved with Father Sebastiaan from the vampire community. They hinted they were going to get married but had a falling out and broke up.
She started seeing this guy Logan. Not sure how long they were together but they're broken up now. Some speculate Father Sebastiaan broke up with her because she was fucking around with Logan while seeing him.
She's possibly back with Daniel now, but I'm not sure if it's been confirmed, but there's been some hints that they may have married. She is still living in his house.
A few months ago Daniel said she was pregnant. Most assumed Daniel must be the father since he's the one who first posted about it, but since she was with Father Sebastiaan and Logan shortly before then it's anyone's guess as to who the father really was.
She ended up miscarrying, however.
No. 773354
>>773352Any idea of who Voltaire is? She's sad/anger posted about someone named that on Tumblr but I can't figure out anything past that.
Also jesus, not knowing who's the father. I doubt even she knew considering how cagey she was about it.
No. 773356
>>773355I think it’s that’s Voltaire, I was going through her Instagram and he apparently stayed her the other night. He’s liked a few of their posts too.
Not sure on the drama though.
No. 773359
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A lot of the chateau girls are straight up ugly. they're only part of the group because they're personal friends of hers.
No. 773361
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Please do not.
No. 773362
>>773361…Why would Americans be on Germany's Got Talent?
Anyway, I hope they accept just for the trainwreck value.
No. 773367
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>>773361>>773363>>773362Oh god I hope they get accepted, I'm ready to see a mess of flabby girls jumping through hoops and rolling around on the ground wearing cheap cat tails
No. 773377
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>>773375If you look at her nose in old pics vs now there's no way she hasn't had a nose job, or else she HEAVILY shoops it
No. 773378
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She honestly used to look pretty cute. Shame she's obsessed with looking like a blow up doll now.
No. 773381
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>>773371She says she makes a lot of money with her "businesses" and that she's actually taking care of Daniel (her master/ex/whatever the fuck) now. Hmm.
No. 773382
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>>773291I saw this on facebook, and it creeped me out, but couldn't put my finger on it… So many questions.
Like, is this a cult? Partyhouses can be dangerous.. When you give people drinks/drugs, a sense of community, and a common interest they love enough.. People will overlook anything bad going on. They get blinded by their naivety and think everything's great. I don't know, maybe it could be all fun and catgirls, but the potential for these girls having their heads fucked with is huge. See: Charles Manson.
What's up with this schizophrenic girl? Is she okay? Jesus.
Why does everyone in her youtube videos look so brainwashed? They've got dead eyes. It's creepy.
And lastly, I wonder if there are any stories from girls who've worked with her. This thread has so much potential, tho.
No. 773385
>>773383The girl at 6:29 said she was schizophrenic and wasn't making a lot of sense.
I don't want to assume it's like that, but from personal experience… When people are
that open and trusting of each other, things are bound to get weird. It seems like a situation that could be very easily manipulated by whoever owns the house.
No. 773397
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new fb pic, what are those extensions
No. 773405
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Isibella without circle lenses
No. 773408
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Seriously, what is wrong with her face? It looks so tiny and weird compared to the rest of her freakishly portioned body. Maybe it's just all the shooping she does.
No. 773409
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>>773407 Oh makes sense then ! I only have this one pic because it was impossible to take pictures inside the other bar.
Nothing to say about them except the kinda cringy cat talk and half of them were barely dressed but nothing too weird for LA. I remember seeing two blond girls and thinking the one with the doughy face was probably Isibella, the other one was a real cutie.
To anyone feeling jelly of their lifestyle : their dudes were the typical goth dude with cheap top hat trying to pretend they look galant. To each their own though.
No. 773412
>>773410Yeah I get what you mean. Which is extra funny too because there's so many rich people around LA, after a while you can easily spot who's extra flexing and who's not.
I don't think Isibella was looking terrible but as a whole they definitely didn't look anything close to elegant. At best they looked on their way back from a burlesque show and at worst just a bunch of cheap hookers.
I think she at least had some sort of overlay robe so there's that.
No. 773413
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In case anyone doesn't know lolcow's favorite ABDL dumpster fire Binkie Princess used to be involved with this
No. 773415
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i joined their facebook group, it's p milky. some girl was getting straight up roasted today
No. 773416
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My favorite Binkie picture she did with the chateau, when she was still pastel quartz.
Very unsettling to me.
No. 773429
>>773427>>773424>>773423Can we not derail the thread into vegan hatred of animal products? I have no idea why anti-furs and vegans are like this, but no, not everyone agrees with you and your personal preferences.
Anyway, can anyone get some more caps from that group? I'm sure there's a lot there.
No. 773431
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no one ever needed to see this and i need bleach for my eyeballs now
No. 773432
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>>773421ewwwwwww. no one cares
>>773429it's just a bunch of fugly girls posting selfies, unending posts on where to buy cat ears, and pics of isabutta's tits, but they're all dumb as hell so it's kinda hilarious
(reposted for spoiler)
No. 773433
File: 1533857688207.jpg (Spoiler Image,97.03 KB, 798x960, 17022319_1216216111831840_5924…)
her eyes are creepin me out in this one
No. 773434
File: 1533857971374.jpg (18.01 KB, 320x320, touchy.jpg)
>>660843
Is she bi or something? Or is she just an awful queerbaiting type?
She's always naked around these kittens and acting like she enjoys them, but I've heard she's just straight. I really can't stand when women are "lesbian" for a photo and so she can make money off the thirsty male "masters" that subscribe to her site.
That shit is really not helping the depiction of female only couples. Making it seem like lesbian or bi girls desperately want men to watch them kiss or in intimate moments leads to their entitlement or even shows that straight women will be "bi for a man" if coerced. Straight men are also never expected to pose all gay for the sake of women and would outright refuse. I bet her master would never get in a bath naked with some man and it's one-sided.
No. 773440
Right, jeez, where do I begin….
So last October a few of my friends and I decided to purchase the vampire ball tix to see one of our friends performing. One of the guys in our group actually traveled like 4 fucking hours flying in to NOLA to attend.. so anywho all was well until we got to the venue (we all had the VIP tix), got in and were allowed to go upstairs since we had permission to, paying more and such.
Out of nowhere a bunch of annoying girls dressed up as cats, smelling like cheap strong alcohol and followed by a bunch of creepy rapist looking men arrived to the place where the vampire ball thing was happening, rushed to the back stage area and were generally being an embarrassment. They were loud as hell and simply didn't fit in. Really childish, meowing, afke making out with each other, fucking cringy. We decided to go down to get some air and distance from this shit for a few and when we returned, we were told that we couldn't go up because there was no more room. So these low class prostitutes were up there taking our spot (that we PAID for) and we had to watch from the back of the crowd. All because the main cat prostitute fucks the guy who put the vampire party together. Everyone was talking about it. We were so fucking pissed we started randomly talking and ranting to this guy who apparently knows Sebastian (ive seen his pictures on lots of these event pages) and he spilled so much tea….lol omg
Ok so from what he said apparently the main blonde bimbo has been manipulating sebastian for years using his money, fakes drama on social media to get attention (ya'll know the recent fake miscarriage etc etc). this guy also informed me that the girls around isibella are actually prostitutes. They put up a "we're just models" front and legit get paid to just sleep around. and wearing tail ass plugs… thanks to alcohol for making this guy talk so much, at one point my friends and I just stayed quiet and let him rant on.
He also told us that he went up to sebastians hotel room or something and was hearing him and isibella fucking, like really loudly. this girl basically leaches on guys who have some money to take advantage of them. at least that's what her own people/vampire ball people are saying. this guy also told us that sebastian is a douche and i kinda have to agree.. we saw him ordering people around rudely like they were his slaves, we cringed so much.. this group is just all sorts of retarded. never attending any of these cringe events ever again, fuck them
also we paid extra for the tickets for the next night event too, and when we got to the venue it was literally a bunch of cokehead looking people tying each other up in middle of the dance floor and was taken over 100% by the cat girls. we stayed for like 1 hour and had to leave.. it was fucking horrible. one of the cat girls bumped into me all drunk and gave me the dirtiest look then went to the isibella girl and started talking about me like a fucking highschool kid.
these people are mentally challenged.
No. 773441
Oh and apparently this is Perdita Woodley's brother. How fucking charming..LOL no wonder she doesn't use her real name.
Wiki:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_A._Woodley_of_Menie"Michael Anthony Woodley of Menie is a HBD pseudoscientist who published sexist and racist papers at the London Conference on Intelligence"
No. 773444
>>773346Also she claims to be royalty from the UK, which she is not. Correct that her father is a Baron, which.. lol Baron is the lowest rank of the British peerage, standing beneath Duke, marquess, earl and viscount - with Duke being the highest.
Now she more recently claims to be an almost celebrity in the US which of course she isn't, she's a z-list Denver socialite (with a small online following) at most. Being recognized by a group of girls who watched your vice "documentary" doesn't mean shit.
No. 773445
>>773443yes that Jesus you people know your shit lol
We didn’t stay long enough to see anything more than their dumb tying each other shit as they were being photographed by some amateur rapist looking photographer guy. The whole event was just a photoshoot for these girls and we paid so much attending thinking it’ll be a good event
No. 773446
>>773440Hah, thanks for the milk. Yeah, Sebastian comes off as a douchebag in that Vice documentary, so I'm not surprised that he acts like a dick towards his group. Why does he even have any influence again? What surprises me is that he's getting manipulated by Isibella according to this testimony - even though now they're supposedly broken up… But it lasted for years, right? Like, what does anyone see on her? She looks and behaves so fake… Probably fakes orgasms too, heh.
Also, yeah, we've suspected here that the kitten girls are actually prostitutes, not just models. Quite sad, when some of them suffer from severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. It's probable they're being exploited. Is Isabella actually their pimp who finds their clients for them? And what is the role of that partner of hers, who owns the house? Do you have any more info about that?
No. 773447
>>773441I mentioned this in
>>773346 but didn't post the link because you're not really supposed to bring family into this.
No. 773448
File: 1534072985878.webm (2.86 MB, 1280x720, 38662804_147915129407989_84269…)
I do not understand how they think this is an acceptable way to act in public. They're so embarrassing.
No. 773453
>>773450yes the singers name is Dahvie Vanity and there are pictures of her and him together calling him her best friend and shit. The guy has assaulted young girls
someone posted a link or a photo of that in this whole thread but I cant find it unfortunately
No. 773460
>>773458The full thing is on
https://asytv.com/, if anyone's willing to spare the $3 and record it
No. 773469
>>773442omg, she doesn't even clap. i know she's just sitting there but the vibe of this video this makes me hate her so much
>>773463>>773465anon, is this bait?
No. 773470
File: 1538230364996.png (442.7 KB, 969x485, chrome_2018-09-29_09-10-04.png)
Found a shop from Norway selling the exact same "custom made just for The Chateau" ears as her, further proving she's full of shit and most likely just bought them in bulk from China and sold them at a huge markup.
No. 773476
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Hand crafted by our queen.
Yours for $350.
No. 773477
>>773476???
Do people actually buy these or
No. 773478
File: 1541218005332.png (8.69 MB, 1242x2208, 8276B3CE-A847-4A8A-A7C6-737B33…)
That moment when she edits her flat ass so much that the straight mirror handle bends. Bad editing gives me cancer..
No. 773484
>>773476>>773482remember when she claimed that one of her associates was a metalsmith. i actually believed her. she showed some tools and some guy was around them. well, some time later she did show some collars that couldve been made cheaply by the metalsmith guy. I get the impression that she wanted something grand but didnt have the funds. she probably did order from alibaba and then had the guy go over it. this sums up isibella failing. she has all these plans but then wants too much so nothing gets done. after that first catgirl group became famous i think she felt overshadowed. so now she has to be first/get her cut first and its not working. she should go back to standing on the sides. she should have enough money for real gear now. people buy what she has because they want to be apart.
what happened to roseblood manor. remember them?
No. 773485
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Aaaaaand unedited. Fuck. Me.
No. 773486
>>773483supposedly its a legit site that started off as a wrestling channel. I would sub but I cant find show listing. like, how do you know if its a scam or not or if its a show you want to watch.
>>773485okay, so have we confirmed if she prostitutes. we dont really know who funded the chateau at first. when she left her boyfriend/husband/platonic whatever– thats when she started behaving like a prostitute. I cant figure out if she is just living her dream or is this a cash grab.
No. 773495
>>773490Yes, I've met her and hung out with her plenty of times. She's into cringe stuff and thrives on attention, but she's a very nice person. I actually felt bad for her because she's stuck with her disgusting, middle aged "Master" who takes care of her financially and keeps her housed. Plus he benefits off of her by her bringing in endless amounts of girls he gets to ogle, hit on, and occasionally fuck. She's trapped with him until she can find someone better.
He buys her nice things, gets her new pets when the old neglected ones die, etc. but with that he exerts control over her. She looks bimbo-ish but she is smarter than she looks, and is kind hearted, so I do like her. Don't like her master.
No. 773496
>>773494She says she doesn't like them but she sure does enjoy flaunting them when she wants to show off how fancy she thinks she is, being "royalty" and all.
>>773495She claims allllll the time that she has her own money and works for it, plus she likes to flaunt that she comes from an affluent upbringing. Either she's lying her ass off about that (and we know for a fact her family is rich, so…) or she's not stuck with shit.
No. 773499
>>773497iirc father sebastian had been accused of similar stuff before and also has a history of scammy/stealing peoples stuff and things like that
i think he was one of the people michelle belanger talked about distancing herself from because of the allegations but i cant be sure
No. 773500
>>773499I'm a fucking newbie to this so if anyone is interested in opening a thread on the vampire community and such, please do!!!! it doesn't have to start as informative as this one, others can always add. seems like
lots of people have something to say about them….. including me
No. 773503
>>773359They all look like trannies.
Isibella really is the poor man's Kato, as another anon mentioned. Why are all these BDSM people fucking nutcases? Yikes.
No. 773532
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>>773503The resemblance is uncanny - except Alaska looks more natural.
No. 817198
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she’s putting on weight round her middle(nitpicking, necro)
No. 821614
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Coma inducing cringe.
No. 832312
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Her new scam is these stupid Ankhs with kitten ears she's selling for obscene amounts. There's a lot to unpack here.
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Also saging this one for not really being milky but this may be the worst thing I've ever seen
No. 832419
>>832315Happy bwuffday? Am I missing a reference here or is she just retarded?
Also why get fake tits when your grill looks like that? Her teeth are all jagged and brown.
No. 832451
>>832419I've always wondered this.
Nice body but such a prawn!
She seems to spend a fortune on makeup, costumes, holidays ect but her teeth are fucking terrible and she has a man face. She needs a jaw shave or braces or something.
The circle lens along with those fucked up brows and stupid face she pulls does not help.
Girl get one of your greasy neckbeard vampire daddies to buy you invisaline or some shit.
Christ.
Also not sure if her speech impediment is caused by the teeth but sometimes her fake posh accent slips and she sounds kinda like a lispy chav.
No. 887905
So let me get this clear.. for the first half of her "career" she leeched off the cringe-inducing grease-balls of "endless nights" and their pervert rape-y 'Father Sebastian', and when that gig didn't work out so well and she couldn't leech more money and shit off Sebastian to get him to pay for her shit, she moved on to creating her own vampire group with all the left-over Sebastian worshipers?
But..The fuck is the point? It's the same people, same idea, just more like the Ali Express version of it all. This is all so fucking stupid. On one end is Sebastian desperately trying to fuck every woman around him to the point where he's getting canceled left and right, and the other end is this girl and her new group, all fucking each other and making out with one another in every photo and video you see online connecting to their events. I mean, fuck yea, you do you.. but wasn't this supposed to be some classy, fantasy vampire ball? There is literally zero class with both these groups, hers and Sebastian's. It's all a big fetish thing with too much drama mixed in and nothing more. I follow for the drama.. but beneath it all, there's nothing more to them. Drama and watching to see who fucks who next. It's all a big fucking mess and I'm here for it.(necro)
No. 890152
>>773435Two of my old friends have recently started posting photos of them and this woman out partying together. Like, a
lot of pictures. I don't know whether she's grooming them for Chateau (one of them is married but heavily into the kink community so there is a chance her husband is as well) but to say the least, I'm concerned.
No. 890503
>>890257They're both very much into the idea that any negative press about a person on the internet can be ignored or disbelieved because 'those people don't
know her, but
i do' and also critical anonymous feedback about anyone's behavior is just a side-effect of being so popular and successful that you have 'haters'. So I very much doubt that expressing my concern or linking them to this thread would do anything. But I will say from the exchanges between them and isi that i've seen on facebook, it sounds like they're well into sipping the kool-aid already because isibella, i have to assume, has a decent amount of clout in Denver's goth/kink scene. I live a few hours away but I have to admit that going up to visit would be a decent excuse to play fly on the wall.
No. 898784
Ok, previous Chateau kitten here. I used to be a part of it when I was lonely and looking for a place to belong and left when I realized how god awful it was and grew up and stopped acting like a cringe kitten. And yes I am ashamed I was associated with them.
I have had Isibella on my FB and many other chateau kittens on there as friends for a while. It is a constant cringe fest.
The chateau is an ego boost for her. She brings in sad ugly models who will worship her and she promises them a champagne and diamond lifestyle which is how she pulls them in. Basically being a model for their shitty magazine, you have to pay for your own photographer and when you submit photos, you may not even get chosen for the magazine and just have your shit posted else where on the website while Isibella profits off the photos and promotional material these girls give her for free.
The more you submit the more you "level up" from a pearl level to ruby, amethyst and other stupid shit. The more you submit you can buy more cheap stupid collars for insane prices. But as a model you still pay full price for this BS. It's to keep the girls giving her free promotional shit so she can get more famous. Models and photographers don't get paid from the chateau at all. That's why all the photos are garbage. The models can't usually afford a decent photographer and most decent photographers won't shoot for the chateau.
Every so often they throw these parties at the "mansion" and this place is always a disgusting pig stye. I've only been to one (thank god) and it was awful. It's a bunch of girls and gross slime ball guys all hooking up in cheap amazon goth dresses and butt plugs, whipping each other in the basement or getting drunk on cheap champagne up stairs. Daniel is constantly hitting on all these ugly ass girls while Isibella (who everyone calls Isi) is being fawned over by girls wanting to be a part of her inner circle. Being apart of this inner circle is usually just going to smaller parties they host or events and you have to be personally invited by the "contessa" herself. But private or public, the events all center around her. At the Christmas party everyone gives her gifts but she gives out none herself except her cheap cat ear anhks to her favorites. Oh and if any girl is getting more attention than her she gets mopey and whiney and makes a scene until the attention is on her again.
She makes Facebook posts "poor me" and the comment section floods with her kittens and creepy men with words of support. Poor little rich girl.
And she does shop her face ALOT. She uses the app called BeautyCam. One time she forgot to remove the watermark from the app on oNE of her photos. She over shops it and uses heavy filters that make her look drastically different, almost anime. She has also gained a lot of weight especially in one of her recent event photos her belly is jelly.
She boasts that if you're a chateau kitten you get to live a life style just like her. But really you cant. It encourages these low self esteem fat ass models to get low rate sugar daddies so they can live her lifestyle.
My next point: the models
Most of the girls in the chateau are all really ugly and fat but act like theyre so god damn hot and sell nudes and snap chats or are strippers or prostitutes or cheap cam whores who post all their cam links and amazon wish lists. Most have sugar daddies and men in their 50s. They all boast they are bi and poly but really they all just fuck each other while also shit talking men every other post and acting high and mighty. Like "hunny, men don't want you as much as you think." These girls are sooooooo fucking gross. They're cheap whores. They also all claim to be pagan witches and bitch about "mercury in retrograde is fucking with my life omg"
A lot of creepy slime ball guys hang around the chateau pages and forums in hopes one of the girls will accept their FB flirt comments.
Isibella also uses other people within her inner circle to get more models and more people to worship the turd carpet she walks on. I will leave their names out of this but basically it's like her own little entourage and posts photos to make other chateau girls want to be there more (kinda like the whole FOMO thing).
I'm a cosplayer mostly these days and the chateau is slowly invading it going to cons and cosplayer events in lingerie and kitten gear calling it cosplay. Most of them don't even play video games or watch anime or read comics. They just wanna be Harley Quinn or post "watching star wars, omg this kitten is such a nerd!" They're slowly poisoning the community. I'm slowly seeing more girls in the cosplay community want to join the chateau and I want to so badly tell them not to. That it's all just an ego trip for some floosy sugar baby and I want to so badly call them out but if you do, Isibellas entire harem of kitten girls, entourage and fan boys will fucking come at you, make public posts, humiliate you… it's bad. They will ruin you. They will make sure you're kicked oUT of a club or any public venue they frequent.
The Chateau is like a mini Cult of Personality.
Someone found me this thread and I'm happy I can finally talk about what a shit show the chateau really is.
No. 900544
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>>898784Ngl, none of this seems like a reach. Her "master" tends to post a lot of unedited and behind the scenes type photos which seem to confirm at least portions of this anon's post.
There's definitely an almost pyramid scheme sort of thing going on with the collars? It's bizarre. The turnover rate for the girls seems pretty quick for the most part too. Some seem to get special privileges and special outings with her and her "master", but even her inner circle seems to go through an awful lot of changes over the years.
I'll drop some caps. This is her "master".
No. 900548
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>>900544>>900545A sampling of the gorgeous catgirls they have to offer.
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>>900544>>900545>>900548Basically he just selfies all the time with various girls often scantily clad in the background as props.
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The only real new drama is that she was dating "fangsmith" Rikki Sixx earlier this month, but came back to the chateau after a "stalker situation"? Daniel seems to imply Rikki is likely her ex now.
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>>900578There's definitely only a handful of girls who are decent looking or even kind of cute at the "manor". Tbh, almost anyone can get an in if they paypig their way in or stroke her ego enough. Only the "pretty" catgirls get any real attention though, the others sorta just lurk around in the background of group photos.
No. 900935
>>900578I feel sorry for the girl at the far left, she's obviously uncomfortable and forced to stand in the back so she doesn't ruin the photo with her face.
Girl, run away as far as you can.
No. 900958
>>900545>>900544>>900548>>900553Imagine paying actual currency, arranging photoshoots, managing scores of other women, organizing parties and trying your best to look attractive while doing this cat girl LARP shit, just to end up having some old, portly man with multiple chins and scraggly, unkempt facial hair as a "master".
With all the effort put into this whole thing, you'd think any "master" she'd have would look like Peter Steele in his prime, or some sort of gothic prince. The reality is so much bleaker. He's not even a good poet, fucking hell.
She supposedly comes from a rich family, so it's not even like she needs him for money. Does she just hate herself?
Even worse than that is the idea of being one of the female orbiters who actually pay to be in her "inner circle".
No. 901313
>>900958The shitty poetry dude isn't her "master" just some dude she ran off with temporarily in New Orleans who was a "fangsmith" before they ultimately broke up and she ran back to the chateau and "master" with her tail between her legs. Rikki is okayish looking if you are into shitty face tats and cheesy vampire novels.
Her "master" however, is who shipped her in from the UK, supposedly used to work for NASA, and who she claims to financially support now. He's your typical grimy, middle aged, neckbeard who treats women like props and thinks wearing a tophat makes him classy. Like the dude literally has brown teeth. I don't really understand what he brings to the table, but I suppose that's why she ran off with that Rikki dude briefly.
No. 902859
>>902650Samefag but these girls need to learn the difference between a kink or a hobby and an identity. It's fine if you have a kink or even a hobby for dressing up…weird and cringe sometimes but w/e. It's not an IDENTITY though, not every little thing you do needs to be or should be a part of your core identity. It's concerning when people base their entire personality around their kinks.
Also you ever notice how so many of the "masters" in these relationships say things like "I was kind of weirded out by it and not into it but decided to go with it…" Rubs me the wrong way. The boyfriend seems like a weird old nerd but an okay guy.
Forgot to sage last post, sorry
No. 903748
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Found some untouched images. Glorious.
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No. 903751
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Oh my.
No. 903752
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Oh look. With the other cat.
No. 903753
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No. 903774
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>>903748lmao their aesthetic is so cheap and tacky. this literally looks like those weird russian dating site photos, pic related
No. 903973
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No. 904175
>>903973Oh my. It's a dude in a wig, you can't convince me otherwise.
>>904059Her mouth is indeed very strange. She's either trying to hide bad teeth, or unlucky duck face.
No. 904598
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The shopper version oh my
No. 904974
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Is there anyone she hasn’t fucked?
No. 911916
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Yesterday she uploaded for the first time in 7 months asking if she should start making videos again.
Then an hour ago she posted a Rise of Skywalker review. Who is she targeting with this? Her core demographic probably isn't going to care much about that, hardcore SW fans will probably think she's a thot. Haven't watched the video myself but she's the last person I want a Star Wars review from anyway.
Also her head looks way too small for her body, it's freaky
No. 911917
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>>911916Another example since her head was turned in the last one. It's not just the angle. Her botched boob job and giant man shoulders combined with her hideous eye makeup and whatever the fuck she's done to her nose make her proportions look absolutely alien
No. 912620
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Real face. Unedited.
No. 913214
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Pretty hilarious when airheads like her try to get into other realms like movie reviews, and now, politics. She should stick to her own field - being a cheap prostitute.
No. 914466
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Imagine being so unhappy with your face that you use beauty filters throughout your entire vlog. Pathetic. xD You see the surroundings morph like crazy throughout the video. Cringe. Love it.(xD)
No. 914468
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I can’t. XD(XD)
No. 922019
Random additional information:
So some firsthand, some secondhand knowledge.
My understanding was that Daniel was doing some car stuff, like selling high-spec engine parts or whatever, when they first hooked up. He had money, but not a huge amount of money.
According to the drunken ramblings of an associate, he hooked up with her and (allegedly; giant, sharp grains of salt here) she remained a virgin for like two years because they only did anal as part of the whole master-slave thing.
When I chatted at her a few times, she was still in the nerdy-dork phase and had only recently gotten into the whole kittenplay clusterfuck. I was friended to her actual, personal, non-kitten Facebook profile for a few years - around 2010, so that's when most of my info is from - and she was super-paranoid about about any mentions of her real name when interacting with her fake-ass Isibella profile(s).
She is Perdita Alexander Caroline Woodley, the daughter of the Baron of Menie (the guy who sold Trump the golf course) and some of her early pictures are from inside the giant-ass family home (formerly Menie House, but I think Trump renamed it Macleod House).
When I was still interacting with her she seemed nice. Above average intelligence, up for a giggle, decent banter, daddy issues; but this was in the slave phase, before all this Chateau bullshit kicked off. So I dunno what's happened in the last 7-8 years.
My personal view from a nice, safe distance is that she bailed on her family to hook up with Daniel because she was young and naive, had a blast for a bit, outgrew him and is now stuck out in the boondocks having become shallow in order to survive, and too weak to just bail on the entire thing. I would also assume her family have taken a pretty fucking dim view of her lifestyle and choices.
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Dear god.
No. 941320
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Sorry for the necro, I'm not sure how important this is so I'll sage. But did anyone notice the anti-sebastian string of comments over the years on the vampire vid linked in the thread description? Aside from anon speculation about father Sebastian being abusive/manipulative (agree) here's the most troubling comment. Obviously I can't prove it but it gives some creedence to the speculation. As much of a cow as Isibella is, her body language said a lot in the video as well. Revisited the thread today and noticed this comment, it's particularly strange imho…
No. 1219317
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>>1219177still hawking repackaged aliexpress crap at an insane markup to her horny band geek followers. the chateau insta hasn't been updated in almost a year though. (also sage your necro)
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No. 1221414
>>1221331Most coptics are Christians, and are the result of the melting pot that was Hellenistic, post-conquest Egypt. They are hardly direct decendants. Also Coptic is close to Demotic(romanized) Egyptian, not Archaic Egyptian, which is hugely different and it's the reason we still have trouble translating hieroglyphs. Especially from the time period in which hieroglyphs like the ankh originated. Their alphabet is mostly Greek ffs. The Coptic cross is literally a christianized ~appropriation~ of the ankh lmao.
I'll take my ban for Egypt sperging. Hope your third world education serves you well,
nonny.
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>>1227074For a minute I thought, "Oh, so this guy got all the looks in their family" until I scrolled down a bit more. Dude looks like one of those losers who stormed the capital in the US. kek
No. 1227342
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Samefag but his bio mentions Perdy by name and says she's in the "modelling" industry
Top kek
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No. 1227478
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Logan also had this to say after her apology
No. 1231286
>>1227486Wow the tea. Thanks anon
Was she underage when she married Daniel?
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more from logan
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>>1231850>>1227478>>1231848This is twitterspec cancer, but it's funny seeing her called out.
But if I'm being honest I can't get through the buzzword-lace sperg… I hope someone summarises this shit No. 1231995
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>>1231870Yeah, it's a lot of sperg. Anyways Logan said that one of the well known rapists in The Chateau and the VC is Father Sebastiaan.
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>>1231870yeah ik they went off lol. i just thought it was interesting. also, the chateu's facebook page was deleted and thechateau.org is down, and rxpzxllx made a video about it
No. 1233308
>>1233087Google his real name Aaron Todd Hoyt
There is a lawsuit, an entry on drama-pedia or so, some old feud from the 90s of a girl that dissappear in the NYT and more. I don't know about the shit that went down in europe but I bet they have stories too.
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just found this thread and realized I am one degree of separation away from these people, yikes. looks like they're now being publicly outed for sheltering creeps. Repzilla put out a video that included clips from this one
>>1231853 No. 1235875
>>1231853TLDR: in 2016, she was 20 and uneducated about the scene/modeling field and most other kittens were. Models were not paid. Christopher sexually harassed/assaulted her continually and others brushed it off including Isi & his girlfriend. She was interviewed by Michael who asked inappropriate questions and she told Isi about it. Daniel claimed he was unaware of any claims against Christopher. And Christopher was only removed because he assaulted Isi
Isi saw Sebastian and in circles there was discussion of how he assaulted a kitten and his presence faded.
She posted another video with claims of animal abuse against her birds & dog.
Christopher threatened a lawsuit against Erika.
Other videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaOvf1lGP8Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPg4-jjdGDI No. 1236200
>>1236188Holy Redditor cringe,
nonny. How many updoots do you want?
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It’s popping off on FB now and all her former friends in the “vampire community” (kek) are dragging her and making memes about her.
No. 1236454
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Isibella just posted this video yesterday.
https://youtu.be/jm4Dlfa5Zhg No. 1236562
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>>1236454Gotta wear trashy disheveled makeup and contacts for the sob story. Anyway, she really just let's anyone and everyone into her house. Before doing business with someone and having them over to your house, wouldn't you do a basic search and see they're a rapist? Especially as a "leader" of a kink community.
This is supposedly part 1 but it's just her playing
victim and she chose this 5 year old incident to defend instead of the racism, covering up assaults at her events, scamming people with her collars, animal neglect, etc.
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I cant download the video or find a link, but this video is also being shared around the VC
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>>1236615Look at the girls and then look at the gross old men they’re with. Bleak.
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>>1236942As if we needed any more proof this was a brothel.
And she must be reading this thread since the "Club" entry from her old LJ was removed, but there's still a bunch of milk up there including:
- her "master" Daniel bringing her to the US, beating her every day and keeping her in a house with his young child while still married to his ex-wife
- refusing to let her go back to England to see her family or friends when she was lonely after 8 months(!)
- proposing to her at a public park, which the police crashed on suspicion of trafficking a minor
The whole thing is very obviously a sex trafficking scheme that she was pulled into and is now running. I think Daniel is way milkier than her and is the actual pimp behind the operation, he's just better at covering his trail. And it's no surprise a bunch of other known predators like Sebastian and Maven were involved. They made a ton of money running these events and rarely paid the prostitutes - ahem, "models" for their time or services. I hope these girls go to the police, because I'd love to see an investigation into the finances behind this operation.
No. 1236972
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Bonus photo of her neckbeard pimp's "proposal" kek
No. 1237019
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>>1236969I agree. Daniel owns the chateau, he was the main ringleader, and groomed isibella at a young age, shes probably fooled into thinking this is the way of life, not knowing she literally is a sex traffic
victim. She is like the gislaine maxwell to jeffrey epstein after he geoomed her.
There is a short online journal she has online, you can read each syory and it follows daniel and her relationship at the very beggining and breifly mentions his ex wife and son and kind of speaking ill of his "crabby" child. Theres too much to screenshot, so ill just give you the link to the whole journal.
https://mintneko.livejournal.com/ No. 1237026
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>>1237019yo wtf was she kidnapped
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>>1237026she asked to go home and he wouldn't let her
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>>1237028dude hadn't even gotten a divorce yet
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>>1237034it sounds like he made her walk around the house naked while having a kid live with them with shared custody from his previous wife and that's uhhhhh
also found this. lots of milk probably
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>>1237026I'm curious whether she was even in the US legally when she was writing this journal. She wasn't working, in school or engaged to Daniel, 8 months is way too long for a tourist visa, and I doubt USCIS is issuing residential visas to teenage sex slaves. It sounds more like he groomed/brainwashed her, trafficked her, and then quickly divorced his wife and coerced her into a marriage she didn't want to keep her in the country. None of this excuses her role in facilitating the trafficking & sexual assault of other women, but it does suggest Daniel should be getting WAY more scrutiny as the main pimp. I agree she's the Ghislaine to his Jeffrey, but she's getting most of the heat since she's an attention whore who makes all her moves public while he lurks behind the scenes.
>>1236985I'll make one later if I have the time and anons are interested! Not to blogpost but I grew up in New Orleans and have connections to some people in the vampire scene and it's milky as HELL, I'm surprised there's not a thread on them already. Sebastiaan's antics are just the tip of the iceberg tbh.
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Not milky compared to everything else here, but DYING at the wavy curtains and wallpaper on this cursed shoop.
No. 1237488
>>1236849I’m not part of any of those community or even US based but had the misfortune of running into their group while me and my friends were out.
You’re absolutely right that they have this self image of poise, fortune, high society kind of shit but IRL they’re basically a cross between mall goths and weeb cosplay shit.
The second hand embarrassment was palatable. I’m not American so I’m not too sure how Americans feel about people wearing furry shit outside of costumed parties or Halloween. I remember thinking some of the girls were pretty but absolutely ALL the dudes were disgusting greasy neckbeards with long hair and top hat and canes kind of crap.
Absolutely like
>>1236942 if not worse.
I kind of feel bad for the girls who got trafficked there but also everybody with half a brain would see the guys and dip out quickly imo. No amount of money (and really if they did have lots of money, they’d dress better, just my opinion) could convince sane women to associate with those oddballs.
No. 1237839
>>1237102I was thinking this too. He had his young son exposed to his weird ass sex behavior at a young age. A sex slave dressed up as a kitten, half naked wandering around the housewhen he would go to visit his dad. Like what kind of messed up shyt is this?
>>1237100Also, I would love to read a thread on the VC. I also live in New Orleans and heard of alot of horrible stories, but I would love to be more aware of what is going on and who I should distance myself from. I have already had my fair share coming across some really messed up people who circulate themselves amongst the artist and lifestyle cliques of New Orleans, and as far as the action of Daniel Du Predator, are very much alike in that crowd as well. New Orleans artists and lifestyle cliques are a hot spot for predators
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>>1237845Heres those images
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Posting these caps from Kayko's YouTube video since they're extra disgusting. Highlights from the other caps:
>Daniel and Sebastian being creepy with an autistic 18-year-old model
>Isi ripping models off, not paying them & demanding free labour in exchange for "promotion"
>getting kittens wasted and practicing unsafe BDSM on them including bondage, beatings and knife play(!)
>confirming the collars are bought in bulk from AliExpress and resold at insane markups
>lots & lots of accounts of rape and sexual harassment
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No. 1238228
>>1238171>It's come to my attention you made several of the girls uncomfortable.He raped them. He raped them, Isi. Isibella. Or Perdita, lets cut the cutesy bullshit and use her real name.
Saying he "made them uncomfortable" is the understatement of the century and really goes to show how much she tries to sweep things things under the rug and ignore them. She doesn't take any of it seriously at all. And the sad part is she shared her own story of being assaulted by him just prior…maybe after being treated the same way by people for years she just can't take it seriously anymore because it's so normalized to her. This is all so fucking sad on so many levels. It actually makes me angry.
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Don't think this has been touched on yet - in Kayko's second video she shared a screenshot where Daniel confirms that he and Isi are no longer married
No. 1238305
>>1236562i feel like it's very weird that she started off her explanation/apology? video series with what is essentially a sob story about herself. Can she not read the room? This is about how other people were hurt. Now is NOT the time to talk about her bad experience with someone who she, unwittingly or not, lent credibility to when she admitted him into her home and events.
I really feel like Perdita is not cut out for leadership and she is just kind of a willing puppet for all of these creepy 'gents' she and Daniel have made a safe haven for. But that doesn't mean she isn't as culpable in orchestrating the circumstances that have led to the women at these events getting straight-up raped. Like JFC, the story about the one girl having 30+ drinks in a day is like, if this
actually was a business, there would have been a cut-off point to keep the models from getting sloppy drunk. It's very clear that nobody is managing these events, whatever the owners of the Chateau may claim.
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This guy really is ridiculous. He posted this yesterday in his brulee group.
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No. 1240309
>>1240244Yup I know some of them irl too and they’re all strippers and camgirls. This is why I strongly believe the Chateau is a cult, because there’s no other reason why professional SWers would stick around this long if they weren’t getting paid.
And fwiw, Logan and Daley South are not innocent in this. They were deeply involved in the Chateau and also have defended rapists and abusers in their own community of Austin. They’re just jumping on the bandwagon because of their personal falling out with Isi, this SJW crusader shit they’re pulling now is a joke.
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I would love to drill down to having the victims press charges. It really is about time for the final nail in the coffin (goth pun intended).(lolcow.farm/info)
No. 1240320
>>1240296Daniel is her (ex?) husband, the guy who dragged her to America
Also sage when you don't have milk
No. 1240749
>>1240649I mean, it's nothing new that he's a lecherous creep violating boundaries of young girls who feel they don't stand up to him in a power dynamic. If you search his name on here, there are plenty of milky threads with details on him groping and creeping on underage or very young fans at conventions.
However, this takes the cake and should be seriously looked into if sexual contact with a minor was actually involved. Time for the curtain to fall once and for all.
No. 1240917
>>1240320I was trying to ask who they were referring to. They said they were referring to TJ.
And, how do you sage anyways? I've been here for a while and haven't the slightest idea.
No. 1240931
>>1240749Well obviously
I hadn't seen any of it, and google isn't yielding shit
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>>1240793None of the gents in any of the docuvidz I have seen so far are even remotely attractive. So I had to ask. Lol.
I dont know how to sage, so heres a screenshot I was going to share anyways.
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No. 1241299
Welcome back to the shitshaeu!
Perdita FINALLY came out with a new video! She must have turned off the ability to share the video. Idk bc I cant get the link for this one for some reason even though the video is public.
Heres the facebook link until I can find the original one.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2893531350908424&id=100007547626329 No. 1241305
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Comments are coming in now on Perdita's new video if anyone wants to check out her facebook or the original youtube video itself. Here are just a few screenshots
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And why are they blocking underage girls from seeing this? Kind of weird but maybe it's just bc of youtube. Idk.
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No. 1241352
>>1241299Wow, she’s getting torn to shreds in the comments. I gotta say, putting out these videos all about herself/her own victimhood without addressing any of the other allegations (rape, harassment, animal abuse etc.) is such a bad look. I’m beginning to think this girl isn’t right in the head, or at least so narcissistic &
toxic that she isn’t capable of taking any accountability. She needs a mountain of therapy and a lot of the dudes around her need prison time. This went from an entertaining lolcow to a dark horrible situation so quick my head is spinning.
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So while all this is going on, Daniel is running around in the backround commenting and deleting his comment, and going around messaging each kitten that spoke out, harassing and gaslighting them about the allegations brought against him.
Here is a screenshot showing that on girl has had enough with his antics and acthally going to do something about it.
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Here's an older, but still an odd story about the token black girl they have to represent the chateau. She goes by the name Kat, and after reading alot of the victim accounts, Kat is actually one of the more toxic kittens hanging around the chateau events.
There are several accounts from different people, men and women, whom Kat molested and raped people.
Here is a screenshot from a photographer who decided not to return after getting weird vibes from Perdita when she shared this youtube video with him.
And the video focuses on Kat, and her fake gent. Which I will also share next
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This is one of the screenshots in Kayko's video, and the person is directly talking about Kat being a predator and know for dating registered sex offenders. I'm not sure who the guy is in her video above, but I am betting he is one of them.
No. 1242744
>>1242050>>1242048She's been talked about upthread
>>902650>>902858>>902859Sometimes I genuinely wonder if these girls even realize how creepy and gross they are when they do those things, like what she did to that photographer. Being groomed and hanging out in an environment like that normalizes it so much they think it's fine to behave that way. Almost reminds me of kids who experience CSA and act out sexually with their peers. Except these are grown ass adults who should know better but often seem to lack social awareness. The cycle of abuse is a weird thing. Not excusing anything shitty this particular girl or anyone has done, mostly referring to Isi/Perdita and this situation as a whole.
Sage for no milk and slight armchair.
No. 1242911
I cant beleive this thread died after this post.
>>941320Theres so much milk on isibella with sebastian, and there are so many accounts of sebastian being one of the main predators.
Anyone else have anymore milk?
No. 1244038
>>1236921This girl is a liar. She stalked perdita and bought the same ring as sebastian because she was jealous. She tried to seduce him by coming to Tampa and was all over him all night
everyone saw her flirting and he kept walking away. There was witnesses for her behavior. There is text messages from her as evidence. She lied when she claimed it happened and just now is bringing it up again. She claimed to be a lesbian in love with Isibella.
No. 1244358
>>1244309Why don't you post receipts telling us who you are and how you're connected to the case then? That would be enough to evaluate your claims vs. Kat's fairly. Because as far as credibility goes, I'm
far more likely to believe the women staking their identities & reputations on their claims (with all the legal risk that entails) than anons firing drive-by shots from the shadows.
No. 1244694
>>1244448Still didn’t answer the question but ok..lol It’s not looking good for Sebastiaan, Perdita or Daniel. There are tons of women with allegations and stories, with their faces and voices claiming the abuse, and zero comments from Sebastiaan about anything. It all just makes them look even shittier.
Glad these things are finally coming to light. These groups are just full of abuse and terrible shit. It’s enough. It was about time..
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I KNEW that alot of people weren't going to be able to see the video all because of her user settings. She did that on purpose, because the rest of her videos aren't set that way.
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Multiple kittens complaining about their pictures still being used on the website even though they are no longer kittens and had asked to take them down. Cant take the pics down themselves because they cant log in either.
No. 1244791
>>1244694Right?
And another thing makes me really concerned for her if she is still being manipulated, because she posted her videos publicly on her page, where anyone can comment, and Sarah Ferguson and the other kittens have been calling her out about how crappy and lacking her videos are, when she isn't taking any responsibility for what is going on. She's not addressing social media, any of the comments, but shes not taking them down either. It makes me wonder if those men are preventing her from speaking out and replying to anyone. Idk just seems weird.
No. 1248297
Another disgruntled kitten dropping new milk on this cow (if you can handle the vocal fry):
>joined the Chateau after moving to Colorado, was seen as an “it girl” (Isi’s preferred type), joined because she was dominant and wanted to explore her submissive side
>saw red flags right away, kittens were expected to always be submissive and participate in BDSM sex acts with gents to maintain their status (she is claiming they weren’t pimped or sold but I have my doubts)
>Isi claims the Chateau is woman owned but it’s entirely owned, operated and manipulated by men
>Isi invited at least 5 sex offenders to the Chateau including Dahvie Vanity and Sebastian
>Isi’s story about Dahvie sexually assaulting and chasing her out of a parking garage is true, but Isi still let him party at the Chateau later that night
>Some milk on rapist gent “Sir” Christopher
>Brûlée (their Burning Man camp) claims to be separate from the Chateau but is not, is a “slave camp” that should be shut down
>She tried to help Isi & Daniel run the business and even tried to buy it from them, but was refused. She thinks Isi doesn’t care about the business and is only in it for narcissistic reasons.
>She thinks Isi & Daniel are psychopaths who need help, started the Chateau to live out their “psychotic fantasies”
>She was iced out of the Chateau community after raising alarms about Jeff Lawson, a photographer who’s name keeps popping up as one of the main people assaulting and abusing the girls
After listening to this, I’m getting strong NXIVM vibes off these weird motherfuckers.
No. 1249049
>>1248299Omg this girl…
You can tell Isi was getting desperate for members towards the end and this girl is proof of that. She does NOT look like that IRL. That filter is doing her a LOT of favors.She only has her bottom 4 teeth and bad skin. She looks like a legitimate crackhead IRL.
She keeps complaining about Isi not being considerate of her gender identity but Isi probably doesn't even know her name lol
No. 1250114
>>1248299Yea, seen their videos, but honestly I didn't even bother to post any of it here because even though they were a kitten, the milk they have is really not even that milky or even relevant to the sexual assault and human trafficking type shyt going on behind the scenes.
This person just wants attention by trying to jump on the " im a chateau
victim" train.
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She just cant face the truth so she turned off the comments.
Everybody warned her many times and she didnt care until it affected her.
She already knows shes going to get backlash because she's trying to play victim and not just drop the facade and just own up to the fact she let all these known predators hanging around all the events and put everyone else at risk!
The I hear you video is so deaf, wveryone just wants you to acknowledge your mistakes, not play pity me I was taken advantage of after I basically said FU to everyone and continued to put you all at risk by not saying anything.
She's obviously not in control of the chateau or anything if she didnt ever do or say anything about it until it happened to her.
She's so concerned about being with the "It" crowd, she really doesnt care what she has to do or who she has to step on to get there, and probably doesnt help that she was groomed at such a young age by Daniel to be ok with all of this for so long. All she cares about it her precious chateau and the lights on on now, cant hide those skeletons anymore. Nobody wants to be apart of a kink scene and put themselves in harms way.
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Now this is the truth. Isibella needs to be held accountable for putting everyone in danger.
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Nobody asked her to come forward, they just wanted her to have sympathy and help their situation to provide safety to everyone by banning all the predators from any and all events, regardless if SHE was the victim or not. But she didnt, until it only affected her, and her chateau's reputation.
She manipulated all of those women into thinking they were safe and were going places with their career, and tricked them into just being props for her fairytale lifestyle while living off of all the profits from all the cheap merch and shamelessly expensive events.
And why not? All the sugar daddies want to be with a kitten queen as long as she's surrounded by her kittens like they are her pawns.
No. 1258513
>>1258328tl;dr: she doesn't accept the 'apology' she received and is still mad.
>after all of this i do feel like an idiotgood, she should.
it is absolutely mind-blowing to me that this girl is claiming responsibility for Isibella making those 'apology' videos in one breath, and then in the next she's avowing that Isibella mentioning her by name in RESPONSE TO HER VIDEOS is showing that she ~doesn't care about the
victims~. Considering that her initial 'expose' video has been the most successful one on her channel in 2+ years, she is straight-up just trying to milk the views right now without having anything further to contribute. Cake-O is honestly as bad of a lolcow as the rest of the Chateau cat house.
No. 1258559
>>1258513She gives off Ashlee vibes, using being a
victim to try to have a successful channel. They even have the same hair almost lmao.
No. 1263742
>>1259131There are one or two that seemed moderately well-adjusted when I checked out their social media pages but all of the sane ones are distancing themselves from the situation because nobody wants to be caught up in the blowback. Frankly, the 'kittens' (and goddamn but even using that term makes me feel like a creepy old man) involved COULD be using this as an opportunity to have a discussion about how to police SA in a private kink group - which I think is a discussion that the people running these events absolutely need to have REGARDLESS, because this is not the first time I've seen it happen in a kink community - but there is way more focus on finding someone to blame.
But I am really unconvinced that holding Isibella accountable for all of that is the right move to make. Also, if I got straight-up raped at a house party or a festival like Burning Man, I would never go to the people who organized the party, I would go TO THE POLICE. And this stuff like 'weh he made me uncomfortable and i complained to izzy and she didn't do anything about it!' is also the kind of thing that comes to convention/event security attention ALL THE TIME and gets disregarded because it is almost always a case of 'y'all need to work this out between yourselves, we are not your parents.' And the stuff that Isi SHOULD be held accountable for, like not paying the person who completely redesigned the shitty old Chateau website for their time and work, is being totally ignored.
No. 1264429
>>1262645>>1263742Of you've ever been in a situation like that, you would know that the police really can't do anything about it unless you have marks on you to prove it. I have been hit in the face by a man before, and cops didn't do anything about it because it didnt leave a mark. I had no proof. Isibella most definetly should be held responsible because she claimed to be in charge of all the events. If she wasnt, then she needs to come forward and say who was.
All she is doing is tip toeing around the whole thing while still trying to maintain the woas me facade.
No. 1265698
>>1264429The police can't do anything about a guy at a kink party 'making you uncomfortable', but the
victims of the more serious aggressions could absolutely have prosecuted the guy who sexually assaulted women at events off-site that were still 'Chateau-sanctioned' - which is why these lolkittens are saying it's Isi's fault for 'letting' them happen.
Basically what it comes down to is whether you consider the Chateau a legitimate business or a nickname for a personal house party venue. I would be inclined to treat it as a business because it's registered as such, and I genuinely think they hoped to become a nationally-recognized for-profit organization, but in that case it still makes more sense to hold the then-business owner (Daniel) accountable for what happened instead of Isibella. I understand why people like Cake-o harbor a personal grudge against Isibella since she was the one who interacted with the local community most frequently, they probably wanted to be friends with her at one point, and they feel she misrepresented the Chateau as a 'safe space', but ripping her a new one does literally nothing to change the behavior of the actual predators in the scene. Those guys will keep going to events, parties, shows, and finding new
victims, whether the Chateau keeps going or not. So, y'know, good job, cake-o, you got a bunch of death threats sent to your former buddy and it makes you feel very important, glad your ego got jerked off for a couple weeks. really wish something of more substance had come out of it.
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>>1263826know anything about this comment? it was left on one of the 'reaction' videos to kayko's ~expose~
No. 1273368
>>1273283did you ever actually meet isi or any of the other kittens or were your interactions strictly through social media?
if so are you willing to spill any deets that struck you as shady? from what i've heard it's basically the same 'they didn't pay anyone for their photos' story from all of the models so far but not much more than that.
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She’s gone dark on social media but word about Isi is still getting around her new town
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>>1273562'cult activity' i would say is paying isi a compliment, cults actually take effort to run and make money. this entire pearl-clutching emphasis on 'the youth' is gag-worthy, though.
Part of the reason is probably because if you call it a cult, then less people ask questions about what exactly was attracting all the impressionable young attendees who were the
victim of all this 'heavy drinking' (something youth are known to never do on their own) and sexual assault. 'Cause it was definitely not the 'luxurious' lifestyle, Isi's charisma or the opportunity to meet such classy, attractive older 'gentlemen' as picrel (this man's BEST SHOT at looking like anything other than a basement-dwelling tech neckbeard). Let's be real and call it a halfway house for sex workers who either were there until they started making enough money to live on their own, found a sugar daddy at one of the parties, or dropped out of the 'internet fetish model' lifestyle and got normal jobs as office workers or something. Nobody is shocked or surprised if you say heavy drinking or sexual assault happened at a petplay fetish parties attended by a bunch of Onlyfans models, but if you say it happened 'at parties attended by the youth' then it's way more scandalous.
No. 1274922
>>1274225Lol 😂 you guys have completely gone off the rails none of you were actually kittens or even know her at all. She is just a brat who moved from England cus daddy wanted to marry her off so she says and she came to America with Daniel and in 2015 they started chateau to have sexy parties and give her a chance to blossom her Petplay to make money. In 2016 Chris came around During the sebastiaan time and played devil’s advocate because Daniel was abusing isi and Chris gave her an out someone to cater to her since she didn’t drive. Sebastiaan was her boyfriend for a little while and he is also her vampire sire. She again was trying to find a way to be famous and make money since Daniel spent all their money and couldn’t keep a job. Daniel beat her up and she moved out and went fo LA on that trip with Chris to get away it was a several month adventure for her to finally be free from Daniel restraint and possibly get to be with her boyfriend. However, sebastiaan flipped out in Vegas over Chris and Chris started being more creepy to everyone then he raped her and she had no choice but to go with him the rest the trip where finally it all came to head at burning man. That was the last time Chris came around and in 2017 Christmas her and sebastiaan were over. She was pressured by the Austin vampire cult to get rid of him she was given Crowley by Daniel to get rid of him and sebastiaan had been womanizing and cheating on her since she was still married to Daniel this entire time so she was forced to live with Daniel since at this time had no money and no out. In 2019 she decided to try to make her own way with a big thing in New Orleans and in 2020 she was going to do the same thing but her plans were interrupted because of COVID but also because her split of friendship Austin cult vampires caused her to get even more in debt and not able to do much. She said several times during 2020 she was closing chateau because of lack of support and Money. So “duchess” Bobby foster screwed her over and canceled her event for 2020/2021 and she lost a lot of kittens to Bobby Forster who started the pet play palace all the girls did a mutiny and destroyed the hell out of her company. She then moved out on Daniel and moved to another state where she was going to start over. Then this stuff all came out about Chris and all and she then decided not to start anything else or keep it going . So you all in ashville don’t worry she isn’t starting a Wolfpack or anything else she is just minding her business you guys made sure of that. So chill the heck out angry people move on because I’m going to be honest this anti isi thing has turned into a cult lol. Most of the disgruntled people are not even connected to the community they are people who saw a video or was fueled by Logan and decided to push this agenda. For the girls actually hurt by Chris. I’m very sorry I understand what you went through he was very creepy and even made me uncomfy on that trip. I understand and it sucks but you have to either report to police or move on with counciling. You guys made your point to the lady. Trust and believe she isn’t going to move forward with anything at this point. The person who is trying to keep it going to is Daniel because it was his way to meet younger women he is the creep factor in this. He is really controlling and
abusive and anyone who has met him will tell you how he is. He is a chaos magician and wanted to create as much chaos for anyone who doesn’t serve his best interests. Including fueling this fire against isibella. You guys fed into this show and that gives the entire vampire community attached to this energy so if you really want to stop all this just stop giving it attention and move on with your lives.
No. 1274927
>>1272110Also something I don’t understand is there is plenty of bigger models/
POC models I was a kitten from 2017-2020 and there were tons of them. I guess I’m not understanding the assumptions. Many of the loudest complaining kittens were brats mad that their egos weren’t fed enough. If hue Hefner had a bunny complaining they weren’t featured enough they would be booted. Now let’s address payment no where in any literature does it say you will be paid. It says you will get in free to events you are assisting on. This was an underground fetish magazine and maybe if all these brat kittens hadn’t have destroyed the business from 2017-2019 they could have started paying. But these girls attacked everyone who was working with the company about their pictures so the people running it quit or moved on. The support that was paid left because the kittens who felt they were more important then the hundreds of other kittens were being so mean and complaining so lo loud that the staff left. Can we just hear that it wasn’t isibella at all it was you guys. You started this drama because you were angry about you not getting enough attention. And now you are in other pet play groups being featured with EVERYONE like a high school year book. Boring no one wants to see shitty selfie photos they want to see high quality work. Modeling isn’t putting your image in Instagram it’s doing tfp until you are signed into a group and if everyone would have worked together instead of fighting the business could have took off. Unfortunately in 2020 they group fell apart and I left because I was tired of all the kittens fighting over power. Everyone wanted to be special so they could get close to isibella as if that would make her feature the images more. She didn’t even approve the images in 2019-2020 it was Melissa and a kitten from Asia. Finally the people who were raped didn’t seem to have a problem with Isabella until the racism shot started and then the bandwagon came around to join in. Prior to that the same girls were at the events and parties getting in for free getting free champagne and everything until the parties stopped and your girl moved out of town then the milk went sour. So let’s be real here are you mad cus some dude grabbed your Titties or because the free stuff dried up.
No. 1274934
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>>1274225>>1274922>>1274927Nobody wants to read your thesis on
victim blaming, Perdita.
No. 1275095
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>>1274922i legitimately have questions on who this 'Bobby Forester' woman is because she/he/they a) look like even more of a trainwreck than Isi and b) aren't they the same person running the 'chateauopinions' tumblr page? Pic related.
Legit would not surprise me if there was some shady shit going on that hasn't even surfaced yet. This is the 2nd person I've seen who has mentioned the kittens perpetrating some kind of sexual assault instead of the other way around, too.
No. 1275133
>>1275074Creeps like you who insist it's just par for the course are the reason psychos like Sebastian and Daniel get to get away with their abuse for so long. I went to many events and it was always dudes like that ruining it for everyone because they can't keep their hands to consenting parties, so go on complaining about 'PC BDSM events' because in reality it needs MORE monitoring/security, not less. You seem like one of those women who blows off peoples complaints about their friends because 'they never did that in front of me'. Keep hiding behind YA fantasy terms to try and soften the blow of the truth:
Vampire = creep narcissist
Chaos magician = creep megalomaniac
Wolfpack/kitten = cult mentality
toxic environment used to foster abuse
No. 1275371
>>1275363>>1274922hiya misses know it all :)))) I’m from England and yes I was in the chateau, it’s shit it’s not even luxury lol
Don’t be a daft cunt how am I suppose to speak to her face to face my fkin pics tires are still on that disgusting website !!!!!!!! I’ve messaged her saying fuking get them off it’s EMBARRASING
No. 1275413
>>1275411Shut up ya daftyy ahahahaaaaa am dead
Not even into this anymore ‘master’ makes me cringe, why you proper crying tho just get over it lols
No. 1275613
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>>1275446what happened to your second video there buddy did you realize your bullshit ass story didn't mean anything to anyone and your video got less likes than the tweaker group post of your video LMAO.
No. 1280632
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>>1280462the milkiest thing i've been able to find out so far is that this bobby forester person started 'chateau opinions' in 2016 as some kind of burn book (it literally has FOUR YEARS worth of drama, y'all, this is an untapped well of milk), ended up becoming Isi's self-proclaimed 'kitten duchess' & 'right hand', then stole the Chateau's mailing list to found her own Pet Play Palace group after this debacle.
the implication being that she was somehow involved in getting Kayko & Keely & whoever the other ones were to come out with their videos bc they're in this 'P3' group now. I don't think there's any hard evidence so fAR but it's enough that the whole situation looks sus imho.
No. 1280656
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>>1280632I know people hate Isibella now, but if this is true she has total grounds to sue this person. She didn't just damage her business and income. Bobbi ran a drama blog to stir up shit and actually stole private information from her business to create her own. Isibella really needs to go to court for multiple reasons, including going after "Sir Christopher".
https://www.facebook.com/P3Palacehttps://www.facebook.com/P3Palace/videos/494416134936619This Bobbi clearly stood no chance against Isibella unless she would've taken her down, pic and video related.
https://www.instagram.com/petplaypalace_p3/Just looking at their instagram, Pet Play Palace is like the Kitten Chateau for retards. It's also a terrible branding name because there's multiple real world pet businesses that share it and don't want to be associated with a bunch of fat Chateau reject kinksters.
No. 1280723
>>1274922You sound like some sort of "women don't do sex assault" nerd. Perdita is an enabler and a rapist herself. You don't need to do a "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE" for her. She is an adult and can handle herself.
She is complicit in many of Daniel's crimes, including running unsafe sex parties and getting minors drunk.
No. 1280792
>>1280723Oh ya were you ever at any of these parties to confirm these fake news details. I think you are some person who saw a video and wanted to fuel the fire buzz off unless you understand the real situation. Which is that Isibella is guilty of maybe not including everyone enough so they get upset and decide to take out the fact that they couldn’t handle themselves at a party and blaming someone else. Give me a break. I’ve seen the way a lot of these supposed “
victims” behaved don’t tell me they weren’t cruising for trouble. You can’t tell someone to do something to you and then turn and say it’s rape. You are extorting people and you clearly need to consider your me too against isibella because it’s just not the true truth.
No. 1281036
>>1281027>>1281028>>1281032Learn to sage you dumb fucking furfag.
P.S. no one cares.
No. 1281413
>>1280947 sage
Nah I’m already in her inner circle and I’m not a furry or anything lol you guys are full of shit and know nothing. Bunch of bitches from the VC talking shit about cat girls have fun
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 1281432
>>1281026U ok babe????
I’ve got a fucking good job who actually thought the chateau was a job or something to turn into fame? LMAO it’s a hobby if anything Jesus Christ get outta her ass
No. 1281787
>>1281413Aww so you're here to white knight for the bad-boobjob-bimbo rape peddler? You actually like that freak?
My God, I can't imagine being around these people and enjoying oneself.
No. 1281788
>>1281413Sage
Ugh please.
(lolcow.farm/info) No. 1282267
>>1282202Sage
You guys came down on isibella for not having fat girls and now you are displaying hatred towards fat girls lmao
No. 1282282
>>1282270Sage
You guys talking a bunch of crap but you are on this thread too so obviously means enough that you are checking it constantly.
(sage goes in the email field) No. 1282296
>>1282282“Sage” goes in the email field you complete moron.
And based on this thread I can absolutely see why so many kittens got scammed, these clearly aren’t rocket scientists.
No. 1283076
>>1280656Damn, that insta is cringeeee.
also does it strike you as weird that Bobbi made the Pet Play Palace insta back in JANUARY of this year, at least two months before any of the drama videos were filmed? Her mentioning the 'attorney on retainer' in her FB video is anything to go by. Why would someone feel the need to keep an attorney on retainer
for a fetish group unless they were expecting some kind of legal pushback?
No. 1284288
>>1283499can y'all stop sniping at one another for like five minutes? i just want a comprehensive narrative. yeah yeah petplay tards but if this person genuinely has an irl connection then let's get as many details as possible instead of wasting our effort in-fighting. thx.
>>1283344what event of isi's did bobbi cancel? first time i'm hearing about this.
No. 1284466
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She’s slowly been posting heavily edited photos to her second Facebook again but no surprise there as that’s the only place she won’t get called out, as whoever she has on that friends list are dickriders who only stroke her narcissistic ego in the comments
No. 1284482
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‘Weird’ is he fucking kidding? After all she’s done wow !!!!! Yes being sexually assaulted is weird but more than that !!!
No. 1284483
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cringe
No. 1284812
>>1284747Yeah, unfortunately I cannot imagine Bobbi ever admitting to causing that 100k loss publicly because it would absolutely put her in the wrong, and her current persona is, y'know, savior of the now-'international' petplay fetish scene (because she has one woman from eastern europe on her team, apparently P3 is now 'international'. Yeah. She deserves her own thread.)
But I would not be surprised if that event is the reason she now claims she needs to keep an attorney on retainer. if i fucked someone else over to the tune of $100,000 i would absolutely expect repercussions.
If you are this close to Isi or her group that you found out about this shitstorm over the phone, do you think anyone else out there has interest in providing evidence of what provoked this fallout? They don't have to make their identities public, we just need verification that Bobbi was responsible for the cancellation. Might be worth putting out some feelers & see if anyone else who was involved IRL would be willing to come participate in the thread.
No. 1285298
>>1285245Did you read any of the above posts or anything on the internet other than what you choose to read. Selective reading. It’s important to look at the larger picture if Kat and Sarah and Erika and all of these girls actually had an issue they should have done all of this in the time it happened and came to the group when the call to the girls went out but they posted on the cat girl group and then it was all puppies and kittens and happiness until this cow decides to leave her farm and then the entire thing implodes because the inner circle turned on said cow and that inner circle called the main people complaining and asked critical questions about “their rapers” to get their stories straight, her assistant canceled said cows events and then starts her own kitten group, these people are pretending to get ratings and be heard. You all can hear or not hear what you want but all these anons telling a treacherous story of this weird scene. These people are hurting each other just for popularity or fame and it’s like you might get as famous as Hugh Hefner or likely will actually not because the aging thing effects your popularity in the adult industry so maybe instead of them holding on to this dream they can consider going on with their lives and getting themselves a future and moving on from this nonsense like a normal person. It just seems like you guys are clinging to this story for something to do and the actually people being hurt by this are not the actual
victims that are screaming the loudest but the silent ones with in. I know all of the “
victims” and I was there during many of the incidents they claim to say happened and actually didn’t. So I say you believe what you want but I hope
victim or not the entirety of the group can heal and move on.
No. 1290485
>>1289717Literally yes lol, submissions have always looked like posts made from the blog directly, and it has caused confusion before
I'm just trying to make sure you're not wasting your time following evidence that doesn't exist
No. 1291309
>>1290194pretty much every cow that's been outed for selfposting has talked shit about themselves or their friends at some point during their posting history to try to drum up interest by creating fake controversy. i still think it's fishy for a burn book tumblr to pick sides but alright.
>>1290485huh, thanks anon. appreciate the heads-up; does the 'submitted by [x]' only show up on mobile or something? i literally cannot see the same text when I visit the page on my end.
No. 1297699
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So scary
No. 1297886
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You know what is weird is PetPlay palace models who would think this is a great image this lady is old and weird looking and that pose isn’t sexy. Why do these boomers keep trying to model. All of these animal groups have lost their mind if you want to dress up like an animal whatever but if you want to model at least let it be flattering. This is just trash content and no one is going to pay for it. These little internet companies trying to act like they know what is attractive. If you are this old and trying to model make it classy. This is just weird and scary. These are the kind of pictures she should send to her husband and no one else or maybe the trash can.
No. 1298066
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>>1298041Nta but that image has extreme haunted joker doll vibes, look at the crazy smile (no smile lines due to so much filtering making her look uncanny, nobody has near-smooth cheeks when widely grinning), ridiculously over-angled brows combined with the clockwork-orange slight head tilt.
No. 1298217
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>>1298066You think that one is scary, take a look at this one. Holy cow
No. 1298295
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>>1298041>>1297846we think you’re ugly and creepy. get over it.
also, cute diaper ass, Isi
No. 1298467
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>>1298295But this is any better. Lmao who leaves comments like that you don’t speak for we you speak for you I don’t think this cow is ugly I think she had drama with these cows and now they on the this thread calling people diaper bum. Hey guess what these bitches are nasty Walmart version of chateau everyone tore it down now look at this mess you all made . GG
No. 1299109
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No. 1299471
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>>1297699the comments on this pic kek
people aren't forgetting as quickly as you want them to, Isibelle
No. 1299542
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>>1298904same reason you do erikah/sarah/harmony/kat/keely/bobbie/molly do. And any other person on insta/fb. Get with the program. You guys expect to change the world then make a group that does no filters. Guess what everyone does. see receipts that group is sharing shitty images with filters lets start a farm for these cows too.
No. 1299543
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the amount of photoshop on ppp images is just the same as this cows.
No. 1299545
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shit and photoshop
No. 1299546
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>>1299537sorry. Perdita
**
I can totally see now why she filters her pics so much though. yikes.
No. 1299548
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>>1299543eww its nasty how she goes from fat to thin in like every other photo..but you claim you aren't using filters LMAO
No. 1299551
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>>1299471kek some more molly we wouldn't know it was you.. you and your terrible filtering. no different from this cow.
No. 1299554
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>>1299471Erikah is trying to bump her comments again guess the traffic died down after she started posting her awful photos. "no filters" okay sure. Guess you needed to be relevant again with your wolf crying story.
No. 1299557
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>>1299551stop trying to turn the subject away from yourself, cow
I can tell she's British not by her ~posh~ accent but rather, that disgusting mouth. why hasn't she spent some of her pimp money on getting that grill fixed?
No. 1299602
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The truth is revealed. There it is this cow just out for blood for ratings farm this cow. These toxic cows are just looking for ratings.
No. 1299603
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These cows will stop at nothing for clout. All these people taking down Isi because she has more fame them them. They are so confident in themselves they are smearing it all over the internet.
No. 1299946
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>>1299557damn she really looks like that one pathetic woman whose only income is from shitting on meaghan markle and defending prince andrew on talking head shows. she's got maybe 15 years if she's lucky before she looks like this
(sage) No. 1300408
>>1299471What exactly is Erika's endgame and the Retarded Petplay Palace freaks? They already destroyed Isibella's career and now they're mad she's just posting pictures to her personal Facebook.
Why do they think Isibella must publicly address every little allegation they make? They're accusing her of narcissism but posts like
>>1299603 make it seem she's just like Bobbi with ulterior motivations.
No. 1301195
>>1300510She is no longer in contact with Mike and Rayne? I thought they were her best and most loyal friends???
Also how does she even know Logan and Daley? why was she at their wedding all those years ago? Did her and Logan ever have a relationship?
No. 1302623
>>1302474Logan seems really fishy. I'm not sure what went 'down' between them but it seems he held a grudge.
Also he was meant to have been
abusive to Ilona one of his girlfriends in regards to her BPD?
Anybody who spends time 'exposing abusers' but has such a dodgy past themself is a red flag for me……
Also in regards to chateau events - was their drug use? Not talking about weed and alcohol
No. 1303551
>>1302474>>1302623She never dated Logan this is why they were made Logan and his wife and trail of girlfriends kept trying to get her into the harram and she rejected Logan for a long time while she dated seb and then everyone ganged up on her about sebastiaan being bad juju so she dumped him and stayed loyal to Austin vampires because everyone was trying to have this whole unity project but then that whole slander text message issue came out thanks to a lady named sitre storm who was a gf of Logan’s/ a hater of isibella she released all these videos on Logan and the issues I wasn’t able to find the video she might have removed l Logan attempted to date Isabella several times getting sexually aggressive with her at several events in Austin Texas and in Denver when she was with him and his girls and she declined him each time and each time he became more aggressive at one point he tried to scare her by saying he was a devil and driving 125 miles an hour in heavy traffic and nearly killing him and all the people in the car whereas Daley expressed he does this all the time the entire group including all of the unity project people or anyone who join him any of the vampire groups any of the cat girl groups they all are being manipulated by all of these people.
here is another video of Logan hanging with the exact guy he accusing of being a raper and the.
https://youtu.be/lW0BcqfFDMQ and then some of the vampire people complaining about his abuse
https://youtu.be/e4_eoMBM9yc he got arrested for assaulting the same group he is coming down on isibella for. It’s honestly dumb the entire thing people actually in the vampire community do not look at Logan as a vampire leader he is a piece of shit from Austin who decided he was going to try to steal the success of all of the leaders and Thar have been doing it since the 80s and try to publicize it not only did he bring down Isabella Sebastian dnash Evan Christopher and more he joined with maven n New Orleans and twisted maven‘s mind around the whole thing is just turn into a bunch of people fighting on the Internet most of the people who supported the scene no longer support the scene and I’ve since retired from going to all of these events etc. all of this stuff is essentially promoters fighting with other promoters it is absolutely the most stupid bullshit on the Internet to date.People are destroying other peoples lives without any depth of knowledge of what’s actually going on all these seen people are joining because they like cats or they like vampires and then they’re taking this drama level to like a whole new level people like Logan fuel the already angry members of these groups and turn them into just justice warriors and he essentially uses them to destroy people like he’s doing with Isibella now and I’m not saying she isnt guilty of being a snob or she isn’t guilty of not exactly knowing everything about the vampire scene and then joining it there has always been people that join the scene and then rise up to the elders of the communities and work with them based off of their popularity and the entire misogyny of the vampire scene is just disgusting only the men are allowed to have any kind of say so in regards to what happens and who does events and not only Sebastian but also Logan we’re upset about the fact that Isabella‘s event was becoming more successful and was becoming more popular according to the records on the Internet of course if you go to the event it’s a different story just like Logan‘s business you go to his event and there’s like five people besides his employees at the event it’s just unreasonable these scenes they were just fighting for power and it’s not even power anyone gives a shit about meanwhile all the people that started the drama like sitre and Logan have since left the vampire scene or the cat scene and now they’re just being pieces of shit on society on the Internet . Anyways to make a long story short yes Logan is fishy no Isibella never had a relationship with him and yes he abused iiona over her multiple personality disorder and bipolar.
No. 1305139
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When isibella made that video of her talking about meeting Dahvie, she totally lied about her encounter. She said she never hung out with Tesah or Dahvie after that happened and didnt let Tesah in when she came to her hotel, but I was friends with Tesah back then, and I discovered the Chateau kittens after I seen pics of Tesah laying in bed with Isibella and the other kittens with Dahvie when they were in vegas. The pics are gone, but here is one pic I have from way back then. I used to idolize them both back then.
No. 1305416
>>1305405the police do nothing to help most rape
victims unless it’s violent rape by an absolute stranger
never use “they didn’t call the police” to call into question the validity of someone’s statements about being raped, or having something stolen, or having been hit by a partner
if you’re from somewhere where calling the police is actually helpful, lucky you
No. 1305527
>>1305431What will the police do if it is reported?
If a sexual assault is reported, the police will typically first collect as much evidence as possible. Adult cases are handled much differently than cases involving children. Cases involving children typically aren’t investigated much by the police because typically the cases don’t have much actual evidence. The police usually refer the child to a facility that will conduct a recorded interview. The police will then generally interview the parents or caregivers or, if the accused person is the parent or caregiver, they will interview whatever other adult that might have information about the child. If it’s an adult case, the will interview the complaining witness and any other witnesses. The police will also try to obtain any surveillance footage that might have captured the incident. If the case involved the alleged use of alcohol or other drugs, the police might take a blood sample from the complaining witness and seek other people who might have been in the vicinity where the substance was used. If the accused person had a pre-existing relationship with the accuser, the police might obtain phone records between the two people or witnesses that could speak to the nature of their relationship. Whether it’s an adult case or a child case, the police will refer the complaining witness to a sexual assault nurse examiner to attempt to collect physical biological evidence from the complaining witness’s body. This can include evidence of tearing or biological residue, including semen. Sometimes the police will collect other physical evidence if the incident occurred recently enough for it to be useful. For instance, if the activity allegedly occurred in a bed, the police might collect bedsheets to inspect for bodily fluids. Police usually take photos of the scene where the incident took place. Often, eventually the police will reach out to the accused person and ask for a statement. This is frequently the time that my clients first become aware that they’re being accused. But remember that by that point, the police have already collected or attempted to collect a lot of evidence. They will be confident that they know what happened. Sometimes the police might think the case doesn’t merit further investigation and just want to hear you deny it. Other times, they have already decided to arrest you regardless of what you say in an interview. In addition, you can reach out to a lawyer
No. 1305528
>>1305431>>1305527Also, in case there is confusion as to what is the rape laws in the state you think you were assaulted in please read below for Colorado, Louisiana, Texas. I have also included a lawyer contact in each of these locations. You should consider if you were actually assaulted contacting them they can force the cost on the person who hurt you.
Colorado
CRS 18-3-402 is the Colorado statute that defines the crime of sexual assault (rape) as any forced or non-consensual act of sexual penetration. Sex is automatically deemed to be non-consensual if one party is intoxicated or unconscious. The law says that “any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a
victim commits sexual assault.” The sex act must be penetrative – such as vaginal, oral, or anal sex.
Examples of rape
A vagrant abducting a pedestrian and forcing fellatio on her,
A guy at a frat party fingering a drunk girl, or
A bellhop having intercourse with a passed out hotel guest
Penalties
As a felony, rape carries from 2 years to life in Colorado State Prison. It also requires lifetime sex offender registration.
Defenses
Potential arguments to fight sexual assault charges include:
No sexual penetration or intrusion occurred,
The
victim consented, or
The
victim made false rape accusations
Below our Colorado criminal defense attorneys discuss:
1. What constitutes sexual assault in Colorado?
1.1. Age of consent
2. What are the penalties?
2.1. Sexual assault without force
2.2. Sexual assault by force or drugging
2.3. Gang rape / serious injury / deadly weapon
2.4. Statutory rape laws
3. Is sex offender registration required?
4. Are there other consequences?
5. What are the defenses?
6. Can rape
victims sue the perpetrator?
7. Resources for
victimsSee our related articles on invasion of privacy for sexual gratification (CRS 18-3-405.6), sexual exploitation of a child (CRS 18-6-403), and sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust (CRS 18-3-405.3).
hands on bed (18-3-402 C.R.S.)
CRS 18-3-402 prohibits nonconsensual sex in Colorado.
1. What constitutes sexual assault in Colorado?
Rape is a knowing act of unwanted sexual penetration. Specifically, sex becomes rape if either:
It is against the
victim’s will,
The
victim is inebriated, high, or otherwise mentally debilitated, or
The
victim is physically helpless (such as being asleep)
Sexual assault also comprises these less common scenarios:
The
victim consents wrongly believing the other person is his/her spouse,
A
victim is in custody or a hospital. And a person with authority coerces him/her, or
It is committed by a purported medical provider. And there is no legitimate medical purpose1
Sex acts that qualify as sexual penetration or intrusion under Colorado law include:
Vaginal intercourse
Oral copulation (fellatio or cunnilingus)
Anal sex
Anilingus
Fingering
Penetration with a foreign object
Therefore, CRS 18-3-402 does not include groping intimate parts. Non-consensual touching of breasts or buttocks would instead be charged as unlawful sexual contact (CRS 18-3-404).
1.1. Age of consent
The age of consent in Colorado is 17 years old. But there are two close-in-age exceptions. Children under 17 may consent to sex if:
The child is less than 15. And the other person is less than 4 years older, or
The child is 15 or 16. And the other person is less than 10 years older
Otherwise, sex with children under 17 is statutory rape. It is irrelevant if the child wanted to engage in the sexual activity. It also irrelevant if the child lied about being 17.2
2. What are the penalties?
Sexual assault is generally a felony under Colorado state law. A violation of sexual assault laws is also an extraordinary risk crime. So the maximum sentence is extra harsh.
Also see our related sex crimes articles on date rape and spousal rape.
2.1. Sexual assault without force
Rape is a class 4 felony when:
There was no use of force by the defendant, and
The
victim is not injured
The sentence is:
2 – 8 years in prison, and/or
$2,000 – $500,000 in fines
The defendant also has to register as a sex offender.
2.2. Sex assault by force or drugging
Rape is a class 3 felony when the sex was accomplished by way of:
The use of physical force or violence,
The threat of physical force or violence,
Drugging of the
victim without consent,
A believable threat of imminent death, serious bodily injury, extreme pain, or kidnapping, or
A believable threat of future retaliation against the
victim or any other person
The sentence is:
4 – 16 years in prison, and/or
$3,000 – $750,000 in fines
The defendant also has to register as a sex offender.
2.3. Gang rape / serious injury / use of a deadly weapon
Rape is a class 2 felony when:
The rapist is physically aided or abetted by one or more other persons,
The rapist is armed with a deadly weapon,
The rapist appears to be armed with a deadly weapon, or
The
victim suffers serious bodily injury
Serious bodily injury comprises injuries that carry either:
A substantial risk of death,
A substantial risk of serious permanent disfigurement,
A substantial risk of protracted loss or impairment of the function of any part or organ of the body, or
Breaks, fractures, or burns of the second or third degree
The rape penalty turns on whether the defendant used a deadly weapon. If there is no weapon, the sentence is:
8 – 24 years in prison, and/or
$5,000 – $1,000,000 in fines
The defendant also has to register as a sex offender.
If there is a weapon, sex assault becomes a crime of violence. It carries the following enhanced sentence:
16 years – life prison, and/or
$5,000 – $1,000,000 in fines
The defendant also has to register as a sex offender.3
2.4. Statutory rape laws
Colorado statutory rape carries 6 months to 8 years behind bars depending on the ages of the people involved. See our article statutory sexual assault for more information on this sexual offense. People face statutory rape charges even if the only sexual conduct was consensual sex.
3. Is sex offender registration required?
In most cases, a Colorado rape conviction requires lifetime sex offender registration. The following information about offenders is publicly searchable through the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI).
Name, address, and date of birth,
Physical description,
Specific crime(s) and date(s) of conviction,
Predatory habits (modus operandi), if known, and
Whether the defendant is considered a “sexually violent predator” (SVP).
Convicted sex offenders are labeled sexually violent predators if:
They were 18 years of age or older at the time of the offense. Or they were tried as an adult, and
Your
victim was a stranger. Or they established a relationship for the sole purpose of sexual victimization, and
The CBI’s risk screening assessment indicates they are likely to commit a subsequent sex offense.4
Failure to register as a sex offender (CRS 18-3-412.5 – .6) is a separate class 6 felony. Penalties include:
1 – 1 ½ years in prison, and/or
$1,000 – $100,000 in fines5
Sex offender community notification warning in accordance with CRS 18-3-402.
Convicted rapists must register as Colorado sex offenders.
4. Are there other consequences?
A rape conviction has many non-criminal penalties as well.
Firstly, it shows up on background checks forever. Future employers and landlords will see it. So otherwise qualified candidates may get passed over for jobs and housing.
Secondly, convicted felons lose their gun rights. And the only way to reclaim firearm rights is through a Governor’s Pardon. This is very hard to get.
Finally, rape is a deportable offense. So if the defendant is not a citizen, the state will fight to remove him/her from the U.S. Learn more about the criminal defense of immigrants.
5. What are the defenses?
The best way to fight rape charges turns on the facts of the case. Five common defenses to these criminal charges include showing that:
No sexual penetration or intrusion took place.
The sex was consensual.
The defendant is the
victim of mistaken identity.
The defendant was falsely accused.
The
victim regretted the sex and later claimed it was rape.
Many rape cases fall into “grey areas.” Maybe there was a miscommunication. And the defendant honestly believed the other person consented:
Example: Kim and Jordan are making out in his dorm room. Kim tells Jordan to “do it already.” Kim means for Jordan to give her oral sex. But Jordan takes it as a green light to have intercourse. Kim protests when Jordan penetrates her, and Jordan immediately stops. But Kim calls the police claiming she has been raped.
Here, Jordan genuinely thought Kim consented. So under the law, he committed no crime. But law enforcement may not believe Jordan and arrest him anyway.
Sometimes defendants claim they were too drunk to realize the
victim did not – or could not – consent. But courts are clear that voluntary intoxication – getting drunk or stoned on purpose – is never a defense to rape charges. (Colorado courts have not ruled whether involuntary intoxication could be a defense to rape charges.)6
In every criminal case, the D.A. has the burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a very high bar. And in most sexual assault cases, there are no eyewitnesses, video recordings, or rape kits. Oftentimes, the only evidence is dueling testimonies. Therefore, the state may have a difficult time getting a conviction for lack of proof.
6. Can rape
victims sue the perpetrator?
Yes. Sexual violence
victims can pursue not only criminal justice by filing a police report. They can also seek civil remedies by bringing a lawsuit.
Three common causes of action rape
victims sue for include:
Assault,
False imprisonment, and
Intentional infliction of emotional distress
Most lawsuits settle out of court. But if the case proceeds to trial, the
victim can seek compensatory damages. This is meant to reimburse the
victim for any:
Medical bills (including therapy),
Pain and suffering,
Lost wages, and/or
Lost earning capacity
The court may also award the
victim punitive damages. This is meant to punish the rapist for his/her conduct. Depending on the case, punitive damages can amount to far more than compensatory damages.
Note that civil judges cannot order any jail time. Only criminal judges have that authority.
Also note that civil cases are easier to win than criminal cases. In a civil lawsuit, the plaintiff (
victim) has to show only by a preponderance of the evidence that the defendant (accused) is liable. Therefore, it is possible for an alleged rapist to be acquitted in criminal court but found liable in civil court.
7. Resources for
victimsThe following advocacy and crisis organizations provide information and help to survivors of sexual abuse:
Department of Justice Sex Assault Resources
CCASA (Colorado Coalition Against Sex Assault): 303-839-9999
SAVA (Sex Assault
Victim Advocate) in Northern Colorado: 970-472-4200
The Blue Bench in Denver: 303-329-9922
Wings Foundation in Lakewood: 888-505-HEAL (4325)
Project Safeguard in Colorado: 303-219-7049
RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network): 1-800-656-HOPE (4673)
WomensLaw.Org: 1-800-799-7233
Pandora’s Project
Joyful Heart Foundation: 212-475-2026
1in6 (for male
victims)
TESSA: 719-633-3819
SCESA (National Organization of Sisters of Color Ending Sex Assault)
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Call our Denver criminal defense attorneys for free legal advice. Our criminal law attorneys create attorney-client relationships throughout the state:
If you or a loved one is charged with sexual crimes, we invite you to contact us at:
Colorado Legal Defense Group
4047 Tejon Street
Denver, CO 80211
No. 1305529
Louisiana:
First Degree Rape is a rape committed upon a person 65 years old or older or under the age of 13 where sexual intercourse is without lawful consent of the victim because it is committed under any one or more of the following circumstances:
(1) When the victim resists the act, but whose resistance is overcome by force.
(2) When the victim is prevented from resisting the act by threats of great and immediate bodily harm.
(3) When the victim is prevented from resisting the act because the offender is armed with a dangerous weapon.
(4) When the victim is under the age of thirteen years. Lack of knowledge of the victim’s age shall not be a defense.
(5) When two or more offenders participated in the act.
(6) When the victim is prevented from resisting the act because the victim suffers from a physical or mental infirmity preventing such resistance.
Penalty
Whoever commits the crime of aggravated rape shall be punished by life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
However, if the victim was under the age of thirteen years: Capital Punishment
The district attorney may seek capital punishment, the offender shall be punished by death or life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence, in accordance with the determination of the jury.
If the district attorney does not seek a capital verdict, the offender shall be punished by life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
Second Degree Rape — La R.S. 14:42.1
Second Degree Rape is rape committed when the anal, oral, or vaginal sexual intercourse is deemed to be without the lawful consent of the victim because it is committed under any one or more of the following circumstances:
(1) When the victim is prevented from resisting the act by force or threats of physical violence under circumstances where the victim reasonably believes that such resistance would not prevent the rape.
(2) When the victim is incapable of resisting or of understanding the nature of the act by reason of stupor or abnormal condition of the mind produced by a narcotic or anesthetic agent or other controlled dangerous substance administered by the offender and without the knowledge of the victim.
Penalty
Whoever commits the crime of forcible rape shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not less than 5 to 40 years. At least 2 years of the sentence imposed shall be without benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence.
Anyone convicted of Forcible Rape must Register as a Sex Offender with the state for Life, to be conducted quarterly.
Third Degree Rape — La R.S. 14:43
Third Degree rape is a rape committed when the anal, oral, or vaginal sexual intercourse is deemed to be without the lawful consent of a victim because it is committed under any one or more of the following circumstances:
(1) When the victim is incapable of resisting or of understanding the nature of the act by reason of a stupor or abnormal condition of mind produced by an intoxicating agent or any cause and the offender knew or should have known of the victim’s incapacity.
(2) When the victim, through unsoundness of mind, is temporarily or permanently incapable of understanding the nature of the act and the offender knew or should have known of the victim’s incapacity.
(3) When the female victim submits under the belief that the person committing the act is her husband and such belief is intentionally induced by any artifice, pretense, or concealment practiced by the offender.
Penalty
Whoever commits the crime of simple rape shall be imprisoned, with or without hard labor for not more than 25 yrs, without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
Sex Offender Registry
All three of these offenses require registration on the sex offender registry after release from incarceration.
Legal Assistance
Attorney Elizabeth B. Carpenter has represented hundreds of people who have been charged with sex crimes throughout the state Louisiana. If you think that you are under investigation for rape, contact a New Orleans Rape Defense attorney today. 504-599-5955
Oh it happened in Las Vegas
Sexual assault is prosecuted as a category A felony in Nevada. A conviction carries a life sentence in Nevada State Prison as well as lifetime sexual offender registration in Nevada. Whether a defendant can be released on parole depends on:
the age of the victim;
if the victim sustained substantial bodily harm in Nevada (NRS 0.060); and
the defendant’s criminal history
Age of victim in Nevada rape case
Penalties for Nevada rape conviction
16 or older
Life in prison without the possibility of parole; or
Life in prison with the possibility of parole after 15 years; or
Life in prison with the possibility of parole after 10 years (only if the victim sustains no substantial bodily harm)
Under 16, and the defendant has no prior conviction(s) of sexual assault or a sexual offense against a child
Life without the possibility of parole (if the child sustains substantial bodily harm); or
Life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years (if the child is aged 14 or 15 and sustains no substantial bodily harm); or
Life in prison with the possibility of parole after 35 years (if the child is under 14 and sustains no substantial bodily harm)
Under 16, and the defendant has a prior conviction(s) of sexual assault or a sexual offense against a child
Life without the possibility of parole
There are several possible arguments to fight Nevada sexual assault charges under NRS 200.366, including:
The defendant was falsely accused;
The accuser consented to the sex; or
No sexual penetration occurred
Depending on the available evidence, it may be possible to get a rape charge reduced through a plea bargain in Nevada or dismissed outright. Or if the case goes to a jury trial in Nevada, the prosecutor would bear the very high burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Attorney Elizabeth B. Carpenter
New Orleans Rape Defense attorney
504-599-5955
201 St. Charles Ave, Suite 2500
New Orleans, Louisiana 70170
No. 1305531
Nevada:
1. What is the legal definition of sexual assault in Nevada under NRS 200.366?
2. How do prosecutors prove guilt?
3. What are the penalties?
4. Do defendants have to register as a sex offender?
5. What are common legal defenses?
6. What are the immigration consequences?
7. Can the record be sealed?
8. How long do prosecutors have to bring rape charges?
9. What other crimes can defendants be charged with?
10. What rights do victims have in rape cases?
11. Can victims sue for sexual assault?
gavel over paper that says sexual assault (NRS 200.366)
Sexual assault under NRS 200.366 is the second most serious offense in Nevada. The first is murder.
1. What is the legal definition of sexual assault in Nevada under NRS 200.366?
Nevada law defines sexual assault (also referred to as rape) as having penetrative sex with another person against that person’s will. It is the most serious crime in the state second only to murder.1
NRS 200.366 outlaws all types of non-consensual penetrative sex, including:
vaginal intercourse
fellatio
cunnilingus
anilingus
anal sex
digital sex (“fingering”)
inserting body parts or objects in a vagina or anus
penetrative sexual acts with an animal2
Non-consensual sexual touching that falls short of penetration — such as groping — is not rape. In these cases, the accused could instead face charges for the Nevada crime of open and gross lewdness (NRS 201.210) or the Nevada crime of lewdness with a minor (NRS 201.230), depending on the victims’ age.3
Lack of consent occurs not only when the alleged victim articulates “no” or signals “no” to having sex. Lack of consent also includes circumstances where the perpetrator knows — or should know — that the alleged victim has no capacity to understand what is happening. Examples include when the alleged victim is:
sleeping,
drunk,
high,
passed out (such as in the recent Bill Cosby “aggravated indecent assault” case, where the victim was given a drink with sedatives that caused her to lose consciousness4),
overdosed on drugs,
being in a coma or vegetative state, or
severely mentally disabled
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Spouses who have unforced sex with their sleeping spouse can arguably escape prosecution for rape under Nevada law.
Sexual assault is prosecuted the same whether it occurs between strangers or people who know each other, such as the Nevada crime of date rape. But with the Nevada crime of spousal rape (NRS 200.373), non-consensual sex between spouses is arguably legal as long as it is not accomplished by force or the threat of force; an example would be if the spouse was sleeping.5
2. How do prosecutors prove guilt?
Unless there was a video recording of the alleged rape, sexual assault can be extremely difficult for the D.A. to prove because it often comes down to a case of “he says, she says.” It is not enough to show that the two people involved had sex — prosecutors have to show that the victim did not consent or was unable to give consent to the sex.
Therefore, the D.A. tries to compile as much circumstantial evidence as possible, such as:
witnesses who saw or heard the alleged rape or the victim resisting;
witnesses who saw the victim in an incapacitated state (unable to give consent) shortly before or after the alleged rape;
text or email communications by the accused where he/she admits to the alleged rape; and/or
expert medical testimony supporting the victim’s account of the alleged rape
Rape victims have twenty (20) years after the incident to report the rape to police before it becomes too late for the D.A. to prosecute it. And there is no time limit if the victim filed a police report within 20 years of the rape or if DNA establishes the suspect’s identity.6 However, it is usually harder for the prosecution to prove guilt the more time that passes between the alleged rape and when the victim reports it. The more time goes by, the higher a chance that witnesses’ memories fade, physical evidence disappears, and video surveillance gets erased.
3. What are the penalties?
Sexual assault is a category A felony, the most serious class of Nevada crime. The sentence is life in prison and sex offender registration (scroll down to section 3 for more information). Whether the defendant may be eligible for parole depends upon three factors:
the age of the victim at the time of the rape,
the defendant’s criminal history, and
whether the rape caused the victim substantial bodily harm7
gavel and handcuffs
Rape carries life in prison in Nevada.
Note that “substantial bodily harm” comprises either:
prolonged physical pain,
an injury which creates the substantial risk of death,
serious, permanent disfigurement, or
protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ8
Finally, note that rape carries lifetime supervision under NRS 176.0931. But it may be possible to get off lifetime supervision after 10 years.
3.1. When the victim was sixteen or older:
If the victim sustains substantial bodily harm from the rape, then a Nevada judge may impose a sentence of:
life in prison without the possibility of parole, or
life in prison with the possibility of parole after fifteen (15) years.
But if the victim sustains no substantial bodily harm from the rape, then the sentence is life in prison with the possibility of parole after ten (10) years.
3.2. When the victim was fourteen or fifteen:
The sentence for rape is life in prison without the possibility parole if either:
the victim sustained substantial bodily harm, and/or
the defendant had a prior conviction of sexual assault or a sexual offense against a child
Otherwise, the judge will impose life in prison with the possibility of parole after twenty-five (25) years.
3.3. When the victim is thirteen or younger:
The sentence for rape is life in prison without the possibility parole if either:
the victim sustained substantial bodily harm, and/or
the defendant had a prior conviction of sexual assault or a sexual offense against a child
Otherwise, the judge will impose life in prison with the possibility of parole after thirty-five (35) years.9
4. Do defendants have to register as a sex offender?
People convicted of rape in Nevada are required to register for life as a Tier III sex offender in Nevada (NRS 179D.117). Tier III offenders are publicly searchable on the Nevada Sex Registry online database.10
Convicted rapists who get released on parole are required to register within 48 hours of being released. And they must check in with a local law enforcement agency at least once every 90 days.11
Failure to register as a sex offender is a category D felony in Nevada, carrying:
"sex offender" written in scrabble letters
Convicted rapists are required to register as sex offenders in Nevada.
one to four (1 – 4) years in prison,
and possibly $5,000 in fines
A subsequent failure to register (within seven years of the first failure) is a category C felony in Nevada, carrying:
one to five (1 – 5) years in prison,
and possibly $10,000 in fines12
Certainly, convicted rapists sentenced to life without parole never need to register because they are never released from custody.
5. What are common legal defenses?
Even though rape is one of the most serious crimes a person can be accused of, it also lends itself to several effective defenses. The following are just some strategies defense lawyers may employ in Nevada sexual assault cases:
The defendant was falsely accused;
The accuser consented to the sex; or
No sexual penetration occurred
A rape charge is only the beginning of a criminal case, and it may be possible to get the rape charge “pleaded down” to a lesser offense or dropped completely. As long as the state cannot show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, sexual assault charges should be dropped.13
5.1. The defendant was falsely accused
Judges and prosecutors know that innocent people can get falsely accused of rape whether it is out of anger, revenge, a misunderstanding, or a way to win child custody. Common evidence that may show that the defendant was a victim of false allegations include:
text messages, emails, or audio recordings from the accuser which show a motivation to lie about getting raped;
witnesses who may have heard the accuser discussing the fabricated rape; or
expert medical testimony that may show that any of the victim’s injuries were self-inflicted
If the attorney can raise a reasonable doubt by showing that someone may have falsely accused the defendant, the sexual assault case should be dismissed.
5.2. The accuser consented to the sex
Rape is forcing someone to have sexual penetration against his/her will (or when he/she is too incapacitated to resist). As long as the prosecutor fails to show that the sex was non-consensual, Nevada sexual assault charges cannot stand.
There are rarely video or audio recordings of sexual encounters in rape cases; therefore, defense attorneys look to other evidence, such as:
consent in the dictionary
Consent is a defense to rape charges.
text messages from the accuser after the alleged assault which indicate that the accuser consented;
eyewitnesses who saw the accuser sober and fully conscious around the time of the alleged assault; or
expert medical testimony which indicates that the accused was not the victim of assault
Note that the age of consent in Nevada under 200.364 is sixteen (16) years old, and that consensual sex between adults and children under sixteen (16) may be prosecuted as statutory rape. Scroll down to section 8.2 for more information.
5.3. No sexual penetration occurred
NRS 200.366 prohibits only non-consensual penetrative sex. If the prosecutor fails to prove that penetrative sex occurred, then the charge should be either dismissed or reduced to a lesser charge.
For instance if all the prosecutor can show is that the defendant committed non-consensual sexual groping, then the charge should be reduced to open and gross lewdness. A first-time offense is typically prosecuted as a gross misdemeanor in Nevada, which carries much lesser penalties than a sexual assault.
Or suppose that the D.A. has evidence a victim was physically assaulted but lacks evidence of sexual assault specifically. The prosecution may then be willing to reduce the rape charge down to the Nevada crime of battery (NRS 200.481).14 The sentence is lower than that of sexual assault, and the defendant would not have to register as a sex offender in Nevada.
6. What are the immigration consequences?
Rape is considered a crime involving moral turpitude in Nevada (CIMT) as well as an aggravated felony in Nevada.15 Therefore, non-U.S. citizens convicted of rape will almost certainly be deported from the U.S. once they finish serving their prison sentences.
It is important that aliens facing rape charges in Nevada seek experienced legal counsel immediately to fight the charges or try to negotiate them down to a non-deportable offense. Learn about the criminal defense of immigrants in Nevada.
7. Can the record be sealed?
Rape convictions can never be sealed from Nevada criminal records; the conviction remains on the defendant’s record forever.16 But if the defendant is acquitted or rape at trial — or if the charge gets dismissed — then the defendant can pursue a record seal right away. Learn about the Nevada record sealing process.17
magnifying glass
Rape convictions may never be sealed from Nevada criminal records.
Nevada’s prohibition against sealing rape convictions is another reason why it is so important for defendants accused of rape to try to negotiate a charge reduction or dismissal. People with rape convictions on their record face discrimination from potential employers, landlords, and lenders. And they can be disqualified for — or stripped of — professional licenses.
8. How long do prosecutors have to bring rape charges?
The D.A. has no time limit to prosecute a suspect for rape if either:
DNA evidence identifies the suspect; or
The victim filed a police report within 20 years of the alleged rape
Otherwise, there is a 20-year statute of limitations for Nevada prosecutors to bring sexual assault charges.18
9. What other crimes can defendants be charged with?
For general information about sex crimes against children, see our article on Nevada child sex crimes.
9.1. Open or gross lewdness
The Nevada crime of open or gross lewdness (NRS 201.210) is a very vague offense often that is charged when someone allegedly touches another person in a sexual manner that does not rise to the level of rape. A first-time offense is a gross misdemeanor, carrying up to 364 days in prison and/or up to $2,000 in fines.
9.2. Statutory sexual seduction
Also called “statutory rape,” the Nevada crime of statutory sexual seduction (NRS 200.368) occurs when an adult eighteen (18) or older has sex with and a child who is:
fifteen (15) or fourteen (14) years old, and
at least four (4) years younger than the adult
It makes no difference if the child consented to the sex. Statutory rape can be a category B felony in Nevada or a gross misdemeanor depending on the age of the accused.
9.3. Incest
The Nevada crime of incest (NRS 201.180) occurs when relatives closer than second cousins marry or have sexual intercourse whether it is consensual or not. Like rape, incest is a category A felony. Depending on the egregiousness of the situation, the prison sentence ranges from two (2) years to life.
9.4. Sexual conduct between teachers and students
The Nevada crime of sexual conduct between students and secondary school employees (NRS 201.540) and the Nevada crime of sexual conduct between students and college employees (NRS 201.550) occur when teachers or school employees who are twenty-one (21) or older have sexual relations with certain pupils above the age of consent (age 16 or older). It makes no difference if the sex is consensual. This offense is published as a category C felony, carrying one to five (1 – 5) years in prison and possibly $10,000 in fines.
10. What rights do victims have in rape cases?
Nevada lawmakers recognize that rape is a traumatic experience. In an effort to encourage victims to report, Nevada law enacted the following safeguards:
upset woman
Rape victims can usually keep their identities confidential in criminal cases.
Victims who report to police may request rape kits, which in Nevada are called SAFE kits — short for “sexual assault forensic evidence.” Police are required to submit SAFE kits to the applicable forensic laboratory responsible for conducting a genetic marker analysis no later than 30 days after receiving the kit. Each lab that receives a kit must test it within 120 days.19
Any identifying information about alleged rape victims remain confidential in court filings unless the judge in the case rules otherwise. This measure is to help protect victims’ privacy and protect them from harassers.20
Should the case go to trial, evidence of victims’ prior sexual conduct is inadmissible to challenge the victims’ credibility (with some exceptions); this rule is called the “Rape Shield Law.”21
11. Can victims sue for sexual assault?
People accused of rape face not only criminal but also civil charges. Depending on the case, the accuser may try to sue the perpetrator for:
battery,
false imprisonment, and/or
intentional infliction of emotional distress in Nevada
It is not uncommon for defendants to get acquitted of criminal rape case but to lose in civil court. This is because the burden of proof that the accuser has to meet in civil court is only “by a preponderance of the evidence.” This is a lower bar than “beyond a reasonable doubt,” which prosecutors have to meet in criminal cases.
Defendants who lose civil lawsuits may be ordered to pay hefty compensatory damages to cover the defendant’s:
medical bills,
pain and suffering,
lost wages,
loss of future earnings, and/or
other out-of-pocket costs
Additionally, the judge may order the defendant to pay punitive damages as a way to “punish” the defendant. Punitive damages may be as much as three times the amount of compensatory damages.
Under Nevada Revised Statute Section 200.366, the crime of sexual assault involves sexual penetration against the will of the victim or when the victim is physically or mentally unable to consent or resist to the act. The lack of consent can result from the resistance of the victim to the act, the age of the victim that renders consent impossible, the victim’s drug impairment or alcohol intoxication, or mental disability.
Pursuant to Nevada Revised Statute 200.373, even a husband can commit an act of sexual assault against his wife if at the time of the assault; there was the threat of force or actual force. Law enforcement officers often make an arrest decision without the benefit of knowing all of the facts of the case, the motives of the witnesses to make a false report, or prior difficulties of the parties involved.
Penalties for Sexual Assault in Nevada
Sexual assault is a category A felony which carries certain penalties that depend on the age of the alleged victim and whether it is alleged that any substantial bodily harm resulted from the act.
If the alleged victim of the sexual assault is 16 years old or older:
Imprisonment in Nevada State Prison for life with the possibility of parole after 10 years of imprisonment;
If substantial bodily harm is alleged, the offense is punishable with either life without the possibility of parole or life with the possibility of parole after 15 years of imprisonment.
If the alleged victim of the sexual assault is a child under 16 years of age (applies to children who are 14 or 15 years of age at the time of the offense)
Imprisonment in Nevada State Prison for life with the possibility of parole after 25 years of imprisonment;
If substantial bodily harm is alleged, the offense is punishable by life in prison without the possibility of parole.
If the alleged victim of the sexual assault is a child under the age of 14 years old:
Imprisonment in Nevada State Prison for life with the possibility of parole after 35 years of imprisonment;
If substantial bodily harm is alleged, the offense is punishable by life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Enhanced Penalties Apply If Prior Convictions Exist
Certain enhanced penalties result in a sentence of life without any possibility of parole if the defendant has previously been convicted of any of the following offenses:
Any act of sexual assault under Nevada Revised Statute Section 200.366;
Lewdness with a child pursuant to Nevada Revised Statute Section 201.230;
Luring a child using a computer network or system under Nevada Revised Statute Section 201.560;
Incest under Nevada Revised Statute Section 201.180;
Sado-masochistic abuse under Nevada Revised Statute Section 201.262;
Any offense in another state that would constitute a sexual offense committed against a child under Nevada law; or
Any offense in another state that if committed in Nevada would constitute a sexual assault under Nevada Revised Statute Section 200.366.
Statute of Limitations for Sexual Assault
Below are the statute of limitations for Sexual Assault in Nevada:
In Nevada, the statute of limitations for any crime of sexual assault is four (4) years. The four year time limit normally allows prosecutions outside that period of time if the crime of sexual assault is reported to the appropriate authorities within 4 years of the incident.
The statute of limitations for sexual assaults in Nevada is extended in certain circumstances, including allowing prosecutions after the four year period when a juvenile victim of sexual abuse reports the crime by their 21st birthday. In the rare case in which the juvenile victims of sexual abuse alleges that he or she did not know earlier that they were a victim of a sexual assault, the crime must be reported by the allege victim’s 28th birthday.
For prosecutions in which the crime was not reported for years after the event allegedly occurred, defending the case becomes more difficult because the memories of witnesses fade and evidence to establish an alibi is lost. Any issues related to a failure to report the alleged criminal act must be aggressively litigated.
False Allegations of Sexual Assault in Las Vegas
Many individuals are surprised to learn about the limitations placed on the defendant at trial. Under Nevada’s rape shield laws, before a person accused of sexual assault can introduce evidence of the alleged victim’s prior false accusations of sexual assault or sexual abuse, the defendant must file a “notice of intent to cross-examine and present evidence regarding such accusations.”
After the notice is filed, the court will conduct a hearing outside the presence of the jury to examine the need for such questioning and whether any corroborative evidence supports the questioning. The defendant has the burden of making the following showing at the hearing:
the accusations were made by the alleged victim;
the accusations were false; and
and the extrinsic value of the evidence is more probative than prejudicial.
Such notice requirements are rare in criminal cases other than sexual assault (rape) and statutory seduction (statutory rape) cases.
Law Office of Joel M. Mann
Las Vegas Office
601 S 7th St
Las Vegas, NV, 89101
(702) 474-6266
No. 1305532
Texas:
What is the current Texas law about Sexual Assault?
The Texas crime of Sexual Assault is defined in Texas Penal Code Section 22.011(a). Subsection (a)(1) of the Sexual Assault Law deals with sexual assault of adults, where the primary issue is “consent.” The next subsection, subsection (a)(2), deals with Child Sex Assault. The current Texas Sexual Assault law is as follows:1
(a) A person commits an offense if:
(1) the person intentionally or knowingly:
(A) causes the penetration of the anus or sexual organ of another person by any means, without that person’s consent;
(B) causes the penetration of the mouth of another person by the sexual organ of the actor, without that person’s consent; or
(C) causes the sexual organ of another person, without that person’s consent, to contact or penetrate the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of another person, including the actor; or
[This next subsection, subsection (a)(2), of the Texas Sexual Assault law deals with what criminal defense attorneys call “Child Sexual Assault.”]
(2) regardless of whether the person knows the age of the child at the time of the offense, the person intentionally or knowingly:
(A) causes the penetration of the anus or sexual organ of a child by any means;
(B) causes the penetration of the mouth of a child by the sexual organ of the actor;
(C) causes the sexual organ of a child to contact or penetrate the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of another person, including the actor;
(D) causes the anus of a child to contact the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of another person, including the actor; or
(E) causes the mouth of a child to contact the anus or sexual organ of another person, including the actor.
What is Sexual Assault of a Child?
If you accuse a person of having sex with anyone under seventeen years of age, they can be charged with Sexual Assault of a Child. Child Sexual Assault is still categorized under the law of Sexual Assault, but it refers specifically to a violation of subsection (a)(2) of the Texas Sexual Assault law (see the law described above).
The Child Sexual Assault offense does not list “without consent” as an element of the crime, so the state does not have to prove that the sexual encounter was nonconsensual. You can, therefore, be convicted of Child Sexual Assault regardless of whether the person consented. This is why it is called “Statutory Rape” – the statute defines it as “rape” even if it both parties agree that it was consensual.
Sexual Assault of a Child covers various types of sexual activity, including penetration and simple contact, between a person and a child. The person accused can be a child, too. However, the child accuser must be under seventeen years old at the time of the offense for the crime to be considered Sexual Assault of a Child.2
Sexual Assault of a Child does require the state to prove that the accused person engaged in the sexual activity “knowingly or intentionally.”3 So if the act was unintentional, the state would have to prove that the act was not somehow an accident.
Only certain types of sexual activity covered by the statute. See the text of the statute above to see what types of contact and which types of penetration are covered by the law.
How old does someone have to be to consent to sexual contact under Texas Sexual Assault Law?
In Texas, the age of consent is, generally speaking, seventeen years old for purposes of the Sexual Assault law.4 However, the age may sometimes be lower when the two parties are close in age – the close-in-age exception to the Sexual Assault age of consent that allows a person to have sex with someone under seventeen as long as the older person is not more than three years older than the minor,5 but this exception does not apply to people who have to register as sex offenders.6 Also, note that the age of consent is eighteen years old under for purposes of the Sexual Performance by a Child law.
What is the law on consent in Texas?
Consent is by far the most important aspect of any Sexual Assault case involving adults. It is the one factor that distinguishes legal sexual activity among adults from the Texas offense of Sexual Assault. If the sexual activity is done with consent, it’s legal – if it is done without one party’s consent, it’s illegal.
Generally speaking, consent means an agreement to engage in an activity. There are eleven twelve (the twelfth situation is effective starting on September 1, 20197) situations in which Texas law says consent is lacking for the purposes of the Sexual Assault law:8
(b) A sexual assault under Subsection (a)(1) is without the consent of the other person if:
(1) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by the use of physical force or violence [effective September 1, 2017, H.B. 1808 amends this language to look like this: (1) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by the use of physical force, violence, or coercion];
(2) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by threatening to use force or violence against the other person, and the other person believes that the actor has the present ability to execute the threat;
(3) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unconscious or physically unable to resist;
(4) the actor knows that as a result of mental disease or defect the other person is at the time of the sexual assault incapable either of appraising the nature of the act or of resisting it;
(5) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unaware that the sexual assault is occurring;
(6) the actor has intentionally impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control the other person’s conduct by administering any substance without the other person’s knowledge;
(7) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by threatening to use force or violence against any person, and the other person believes that the actor has the ability to execute the threat;
(8) the actor is a public servant who coerces the other person to submit or participate;
(9) the actor is a mental health services provider or a health care services provider who causes the other person, who is a patient or former patient of the actor, to submit or participate by exploiting the other person’s emotional dependency on the actor;
(10) the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or participate by exploiting the other person’s emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman’s professional character as spiritual adviser;
(11) the actor is an employee of a facility where the other person is a resident, unless the employee and resident are formally or informally married to each other under Chapter 2, Family Code; or
(12) the actor is a health care services provider who, in the course of performing an assisted reproduction procedure on the other person, uses human reproductive material from a donor knowing that the other person has not expressly consented to the use of material from that donor. [this subsection (12) refers to what is being called Assisted Reproduction Sexual Assault]
Texas appellate courts regularly examine cases that hinge on legal issues related to consent. In Orgain v. State,9 the Second District Court of Appeals outlined the necessary requirements for a consent defense. In that case, the defendant believed he had received consent from his partner. However, she alleged that she had not given consent. The defendant was convicted and appealed his conviction, arguing that the evidence was insufficient to prove that he knew that his partner did not consent.
On appeal, the court held that the applicable law is that a sexual assault is without the consent of the other person if the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by the use of physical force or violence. The court held that sexual assault is defined by the attacker’s compulsion, not by the victim’s resistance.
The takeaway from this case is that courts must consider the defendant’s use of force, not necessarily what the victim did to resist the defendant’s actions.
What is the affirmative consent debate?
One of the major ongoing debates in the sexual assault law field is with respect to the idea of affirmative consent. Some people argue that the current system allows “passivity” (due to sleep, incapacitation, or unconsciousness) to be sufficient in establishing consent because the victim did not assert nonconsent.
The movement to establish affirmative consent as the basis of consent laws has not been successful in Texas to date. There was a bill filed in the 85th Legislature to establish affirmative consent, but it was ultimately unsuccessful. However, the affirmative consent movement won in 2015 in California, becoming the first state to adopt a stringent affirmative consent law. Since then, many other states have followed the trend.
California defines affirmative consent as an “affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity.”10 The Texas Tech Law Review explained:
The policy explicitly states that each person is responsible to ensure that he or she has affirmative consent to engage in a sexual act. California provides even more guidance by adding that lack of protest, lack of resistance, or silence does not constitute affirmative consent. Moreover, it requires that the affirmative consent be ongoing throughout the sexual encounter, the affirmative consent can be revoked at any time, and a dating relationship or past sexual relationship cannot “by itself be assumed to be an indicator of consent.11
New York added to California’s definition stating the affirmative consent “can be given by words or actions, as long as those words or actions create clear permission regarding willingness to engage in the sexual activity.12
Opponents to these reforms argue that affirmative consent will not eliminate sexual assault, and there are too many ambiguities in sexual situations. For example, it can be unclear when a person gives consent when under the influence of alcohol. If someone affirmatively consents while intoxicated, does this count as consent? What if they consent but simply forget about it? If someone who is not acting intoxicated gives consent, but it turns out that the person in fact intoxicated, does that change anything?
What is statutory rape in Texas?
There is no offense in Texas law called “Statutory Rape,” but when a person has consensual sex with someone under a certain age, they can be charged with Texas offenses including Sexual Assault, Sexual Performance by a Child and Indecency with a Child.
Indecency with a Child is more closely related to what is commonly referred to as child molestation because it does not require penetration or contact between sexual organs. Therefore, groping of a female child’s breasts or a male child’s buttocks would be covered under Indecency with a Child, not Sexual Assault of a Child. Learn more about Indecency with a Child here
Sexual Performance by a Child is a more unusual law. It covers the activity implied by the name – performances of a sexual nature – but also all other sexual contact as well. It is, therefore, duplicative of both Sexual Assault and Indecency with a Child, and this can lead to some odd results, especially considering the age of consent for Sexual Performance by a Child is different from that of Sexual Assault. Learn more about Sexual Performance by a Child here
All of these statutory rape laws are strict liability crimes, meaning that the intention of the parties is not considered. Consequently, mistake of age is usually not allowed as a defense.
This can lead to some absurd outcomes, and the courts have done little to remedy this problem. Some younger people appear to be much older, so how is a person supposed to ascertain someone’s age? Are you supposed to demand an ID after your first date? What if they produce a fake ID?
To make matters worse, the courts have held that the sexual assault statute does not contain a provision allowing for a mistake-of-fact defense.13 The burden is on you (whether you are a child or an adult) to discover your sexual partner’s true age, and you assume the risk of prosecution if it turns out that your sexual partner is under the applicable legal age of consent, regardless of whether they lied or provided ample proof of their age that turned out to be fake.
What is the difference between sexual assault and rape?
Sexual Assault is the Texas law that is closest to the meaning of “rape.” In Texas, there is no law defining the word “rape” or an offense called rape. Under Texas law, if you are accused of rape, you would most likely be charged with Sexual Assault or Aggravated Sexual Assault. The Sexual Assault offense does not require intercourse or penetration, but instead can include only sexual contact.
What is the difference between Sexual Assault and Aggravated Sexual Assault?
Aggravated Sexual Assault requires the state to prove certain “aggravating” factors in addition to the underlying sexual assault. For example, Aggravated Sexual Assault occurs under violent circumstances, including when a weapon was used in the commission of the offense. Unsurprisingly, Aggravated Sexual Assault carries a more substantial penalty than Sexual Assault. Learn more about the Aggravated Sexual Assault law here
What is the statute of limitations for Sexual Assault in Texas?
There is no “statute of limitations” for Child Sexual Assault (technically, the way the law works in Texas, we say there is no time limitation).14 This means that can you be arrested and charged at any time for any type of Child Sexual Assault after anyone accuses you, no matter how long ago they say it happened, even if it was 50 years ago or more. The accuser gets all of the leeway in making the accusation.
There is also no limitation period for Sexual Assault of an adult under certain circumstances. In 2019, the Texas legislature removed the limitations period for Sexual Assault cases where biological matter has been collected but not yet subjected to testing.15 So, now you can be accused of Sexual Assault (of an adult) without any limitation on how long ago the accuser says it happened (1) if the state alleges that DNA evidence was collected during the investigation but no suspect is found with matching DNA or if the DNA has not yet been subjected to DNA testing or (2) if the state alleges that there is probable cause to believe that you committed the same or similar offense against five or more victims.16
Also in 2019, the legislature set a new limitations period of “two years from the date the offense was discovered” for Sexual Assault punishable as a state jail felony under Section 22.011(f)(2), Penal Code” (which is a new category of Sexual Assault created in the same legislative session).17
All other types of Sexual Assault must be prosecuted within ten years of the date the offense was committed.18 So, other than the specific exceptions described above, the accuser must choose an offense date within the last ten years in order for the state to prosecute you.
Where can Sexual Assault be prosecuted?
The Texas Code of Criminal Procedure says, “Sexual Assault may be prosecuted in the county in which it is committed, in the county in which the victim is abducted, or in any county through or into which the victim is transported in the course of the abduction and sexual assault.”19
For example, if a victim was kidnapped in Dallas County, taken in a car from Dallas County to Collin County, and sexually assaulted in Denton County, the defendant could be prosecuted in Dallas County (where the victim was abducted), in Collin County (a county that the victim was transported through), or in Denton County (the county the sexual assault occurred in).
The law also says the State has the burden of proving venue by a preponderance of the evidence (the lowest burden in criminal law).20
What are the defenses to a sexual assault charge?
There are two affirmative defenses available to a Sexual Assault charge. An “affirmative defense” requires the defendant to prove the facts related to the affirmative defense by a preponderance of the evidence – this swaps the normal burden from the state to the defense. The state still has to prove each element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt, but if the defendant is able to convince a jury that the facts supporting an affirmative defense are true, then a jury should find the defendant Not Guilty and acquit the defendant, meaning that the person charged with the crime will not have to go to prison, jail or be placed on probation.
The affirmative defenses for Sexual Assault are applicable only to the Child Sexual Assault subsection (a)(2) charge. The first affirmative defense is that you are are married to the child.21 You will not be convicted if, for example, you can prove by a preponderance of the evidence that a person you had sex with was your spouse, even if the person was underage.
The second affirmative defense is (under current law): (1) the age difference is three years or less, (2) you are not already a sex offender, (3) the accuser-child was at least 14 years old, and (4) the parties were not prohibited from being married (under the Bigamy law) or prohibited from engaging in sexual contact (under the law against Incest).22 The final element of this affirmative defense regarding Incest was added by the legislature in 2019,23 and is effective as of September 2019.24 So that final requirement should not apply to earlier offenses.
So if an eighteen-year-old has a sexual encounter with a fifteen-year-old, the eighteen year old should not be convicted of Child Sexual Assault because there was not more than a three year age gap between the older and younger person, assuming the eighteen-year-old was not a registered sex offender, related to the younger person or married to someone else.
There are no available defenses when the child is under fourteen, regardless of the child’s willingness to engage in the sexual activity because of the law’s position that a fourteen-year-old (or younger) person is legally incapable of consenting to sex.
There is one defense to prosecution of Child Sex Assault. What this means is that if there is a defense to prosecution issue, the court must instruct the jury that even just a reasonable doubt on the issue requires that the defendant be acquitted. Unless the prosecution is able to convince a jury that the facts supporting the defense are not true beyond a reasonable doubt, then a jury should find the defendant Not Guilty and acquit the defendant, meaning that the person charged with the crime will not have to go to prison, jail or be placed on probation.
The defense to prosecution of Child Sex Assault is “that the conduct consisted of medical care for the child and did not include any contact between the anus or sexual organ of the child and the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of the actor or a third party.”25
What is the penalty for Sexual Assault conviction in Texas?
Sexual Assault is by default a second-degree felony.26 This default punishment may be enhanced to a first-degree felony if the victim was a person whom the defendant was prohibited from marrying or related to the defendant.27 Also, it is only a state jail felony if it is a Subsection (b)(12) (Sexual Assault by lack of consent for Assisted Reproduction) case.28 Learn more about the Range of Punishments for each grade of felony
Sex Assault is a reportable offense under Chapter 62,29 so sex offender registration requirements will apply. You may not be eligible for an order of non-disclosure if you receive deferred adjudication probation, even if you successfully complete the program and the charge is eventually dismissed.30 There are many other potentially negative collateral consequences.
For starters, a Sexual Assault conviction will carry with it all of the consequences of any other felony conviction. If you are convicted of a felony, you will be labeled as a convicted felon for the remainder of your natural life. You will lose certain civil rights, such as the right to vote31 and the rights to possess ammunition or firearms under federal32 and Texas state law.33 The felony conviction also makes it difficult to gain and maintain employment and may result in an individual’s loss of ability to be licensed in certain professions. Convicted felons also lose their ability to join and served in the country’s armed forces.
A conviction for any felony, but especially one for Sexual Assault, will very likely affect the outcome of a divorce or child custody case. In these situations, the one convicted may be awarded less money in the divorce if it is determined he or she was the reason for the divorce and given less to no time with his or her children of the marriage.
Perhaps the most widely talked about consequence is the requirement to register as a sex offender. The Texas Sex Offender Registration Program requires adults and juveniles with “reportable convictions” to register with the local police department in the city or county in which they reside.34 This is a significant consequence because it will affect not only your ability to gain and maintain employment, but also it limits the places where you can live and areas of town you are permitted to go (such as areas near children – i.e. schools, parks, etc.) for any purpose.
Can I get probation instead of prison time?
Whether you can get probation after being convicted of Sexual Assault depends on who assesses punishment, what the length of confinement is that would be suspended what your prior criminal history is, and the age of the victim.
Under the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, a jury may generally recommend that a sentence be probated, but there are a list of limitations to this.35 If (1) you are given a sentence of more than 10 years36; (2) you have been previously been convicted of a felony37; or (3) the alleged victim in your case was not under fourteen years old.38
However, a judge may not sentence you to probation after a conviction because Sexual Assault is one of so-called “3g offenses,” which do not allow for judge-ordered community supervision.39
What are typical conditions of probation?
Conditions of probation are often agreed on by the state and your defense attorney. This situation is ideal because it allows your attorney to have some say on the type of conditions that will be imposed upon you while you are on probation. In a case where the judge or jury places you on probation, neither your attorney nor the state will get to choose your conditions.
One thing that is true of probation across the board is that it is costly. Defendants must pay a supervision fee every month, which varies depending on the county. The defendant will also be required to pay a fine, court costs, and attorney’s fees. In addition, there are often costs associated with doing community service and taking the required classes. Typically, there will be a stay away order issued against you. A stay-away order is an instruction from a judge to a defendant telling him or her not to go near or have any contact with an alleged victim.
For almost all types of probation in Texas, the defendant is required to complete a certain number of hours of community service. These hours must be done in person at a nonprofit, nonreligious organization. Typically, this community service involves picking up trash, cleaning graffiti, and other activities aimed to make the community cleaner and look nicer.
Another common condition of probation are classes. These classes are usually targeted to deal with the specific offense that the defendant was charged with. For example, in a Sexual Assault case, the defendant would likely be required to take a a class on how sexual assault affects victims and the community at large or a class on making better life choices and getting back on the right track.
What is the difference between Child Sexual Assault and Indecency with a Child?
Indecency with a Child covers a much broader range of sexual conduct than the Texas Sexual Assault law does. Indecency with a Child covers all sexual contact between an adult and a minor under 17 as well as simple exposure-related conduct. Learn more about Indecency with a Child here
In many cases involving child accusers, a jury is asked to determine whether an adult’s finger penetrated or simply made contact with a child’s sexual organ. If the jury believes there was penetration, you would be convicted of sexual assault. Otherwise, it would be Indecency with a Child.
How old is a child under the Sexual Assault law?
For purposes of the Texas Sexual Assault law, “child” is defined as a person younger than 17 years of age.40
Changes to the Sexual Assault law Effective in 2019
The 86th Texas Legislature made several changes to the Sexual Assault law in Texas. HB 8 removed the limitations period for sex assault cases where biological matter has been collected but not yet subjected to testing. Learn more about the limitations period for Sexual Assault
HB 667 made changes to both the penalty scheme for Sexual Assault and provided a limitation on an affirmative defense. Both of those changes applied only in cases of incest (more specifically, violations of the Prohibited Sexual Contact law). Learn more about the affirmative defenses
SB 1259 created another category of Sexual Assault that applies when a health care professional uses human reproductive material from a donor knowing that the other person has not expressly consented to the use of material from that donor.
Kevin Bennet
512-476-4626
1411 West Ave #100
Austin, TX 78701
No. 1306454
>>1305 Tesah 139
Is Tesah the girl she went to dinner with? The girl in the back of the car who tried to assault her???
My only “questions” was I remember those pictures of Isabella and Dahvie being up for a long long time on all her social media pages
I know if I had such a traumatic experience with a person I wouldn’t want any association with them, or their face on my Insta feed
Although I don’t have proof I remember when the whole dahvie thing started going down on YouTube that the pictures were still there (from my memory)
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>>1306478The photos from the trip to Vegas are still on her Instagram but with davie
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>>1306479Whoever moon is buying her lingerie
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>>1306480Kittens she was with
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>>1306481Another kitten? But one I don’t recognise or remember
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>>1306483More weird shenanigans from Vegas that year of davie assault
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>>1306454Yes that is the girl.
And she tried to say that she never let Tesah into the hotel room, but there were pics of her clearly hanging out with her back at the hotel room taking selfies in the bed with the mirror on the ceiling ^^^ im glad someone else was able to corroborate with the pictures.
Yea obviously I don't have the pictures. That was Tesahs old deleted IG. She had like 20k followers on the old one at one point. And yea, I prefer to remain anonymous like everyone else thanks. ;-)
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>>1307003I think they spent quite a bit of time together
No. 1307181
>>1307000Given that this is the intro text to Tesah on lolcow - kinda collaborates with Isibella’s story but sounds like there are parallels between them
“ BASIC SUMMARY:
Tesah Jordin is a SW/dancer and pick-me, formerly of Chicago but now based in Raleigh, North Carolina, whose initial claim to fame was being the Ghislaine Maxwell to Dahvie Vanity's Epstein. “
No. 1307245
>>1307215>never assume a person is happy>depression is an invisible killer>I'm fine by the wayWeird suicide baiting and sad vagueposting.
Voltaire has been mentioned more than once in the Alternative thread. Definite cow past his prime. Does anyone know if him and Isibella slept together? He's got a reputation for hitting on anything female. The fact she is so easily swayed by him is funny.
No. 1307428
>>1307298So Isibella has had this long list of suitors appearing at various events and causing drama
Whilst the whole time Daniel is sat in the corner watching all of this
And then at the end of the night she ultimately returns to Daniel every time and goes back to ‘the chateau” ?????
No. 1309196
>>1308084I have so many questions about Daniel and this
abusive relationship. Isn't Isibella a sex trafficking
victim? He groomed her when she was young and vulnerable and desperate to flee from her conservative household. Has she ever referred to herself as a sex trafficking
victim or acknowledged it?
How does BDSM fit into all of this? Does she really like it or was he using that as a shield to hit her and using her to pull in other girls? Was the Chateau itself really something Isibella wanted? She claims in one of her videos she wanted to find other girls with cat ears.
No. 1309286
>>1309196you sound like one of the randoms from the interwebs. She wasn't sex trafficked If you read what I wrote she chose to leave with him instead of being a
victim of arranged marriage. In England many women of aristocracy are married off to other members of the aristocracy. They are BDSM lifestylers. No one really knows what isibella wants I don't think she knows. She is a kitten girl none of the ever actually know what they want they just act impulsively but she is more like a kitten in a big city not this insane Ghislaine Maxwell person she is being painted to be.
No. 1309348
>>1309286She's not royal blood, just a baron. Why would they arrange a marriage for her and to who? I've heard this story over and over from her but it just sounds made up and romanticized to explain why she ran away to the US. The truth is she wanted to have fun with a (now former) sugar daddy millionaire and escape her family duties. She's not living in a different era.
You're clearly in her inner circle, but come on. Don't feed into her narcissistic story just because she's tricked herself.
No. 1309529
>>1309384 this statement right here is exactly how I feel about all of it. Even if you are from England if you aren't an aristocrat what do you even know. The people and the aristocracy are on two different plains. I think that she is making it more than it should be but who are we to judge.
>>1309332 How do you know where you there when she was forced to choose, do you know. You have no idea what they were asking someone to do so go ahead and continue to be a hater Annie. We both know you are apart of PetPlay Palace trying to troll the shit out of Chateau cus you feel like the fat girls didn't get enough play.
>>1309397but you are here on this post so you must be interested. You know nothing other than what you read on the internet so maybe go away i dunno. The chateau wasn't a cult it was an online magazine. None of that shit that was said by the youtubers is correct they are feeding on rando details fed to them by a bunch of weebs on the interwebs.
you have such anger in your heart for her. You don't like her then don't look at her shit you don't like chateau then don't join don't go to her stuff or look at her website. The reality is every single angry kitten was mad because they wanted to be something huge and famous and felt stepped on or something i am not sure or maybe you didn't find your sugar daddy dreams you thought you would get by going to the parties I am not sure. I wish all you girls the best and hope your heart heals though. Its time to move on because there isn't any point you destroyed the community. All there is now is the trailer trash posting their only fans and facebook images boring…
No. 1310084
>>1309529She's hardly much of an aristocrat. There wouldn't even be a point in marrying her because baron titles and holdings are passed on through the son's direct line, unless it is gifted. Also sorry about your weird defensiveness of her but she's an idiot at the very least. Jumping countries with a man she doesn't know to end up being a glorified prostitute who's ascetic is stuck in '03, and being complicit in sex abuse isn't exactly sympathetic anon.
Honestly, Perdita should just be glad she's still more palatable then her disgraced antisemitic brother who can only get publish in racist peer reviewed gossip rags. So cheers to that. Shining examples of desired aristocratic children. If you're telling the truth some man really dodged a bullet avoiding this family.
No. 1310261
>>1309196Me too! What made a girl leave an incredible wealthy family to go live with this random old American dude who was already married and had a child?
She didn’t even finish her degree in ancient Egypt which she references often…. Instead Daniel swept her away.
What was happening at home that made him seem like the only option? Why was returning to England never an option? It doesn’t seem her family has ever come to visit her, or offered her money to come home to them.
All her early internet posts suggest she wasn’t happy with her father and the aristocratic life they were forcing upon her.
But it also sounds she was incredibly trapped with Daniel from a very early age… and he obviously took advantage of her when she was incredibly naive & vulnerable. Isolating her from any support network or sense of home…..
Remember Daniel took her virginity, introduced her to BDSM when she was 17 and drunk on their first night together.
He is evidently a predator.
No. 1310262
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>>1310261I have a feeling this is their wedding night/honeymoon.
Even though she was legally 18 here, there is no way she doesn’t look like a child.
Daniel obviously has an inappropriate attraction to young girls or women who appear that way.
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>>1310084I believe this is taken at her dads place as he does airplane stunts etc for movies. He’s a pilot from what I understand.
“ Mike Woodley
Owner of Aviation Filming Ltd”
If you google his firm comes up and all the movies he’s worked on, alongside her other brother who also makes movies.
And then they have the other brother who is busy doing some racist genealogy bullshit.
As far as I understand both brothers are named “Michael Anthony Wooley” after their father…. So that’s also weird and kinda odd.
No. 1310493
>>1310270> This is really inappropriate to post her butt on the internet .she’s literally a prostitute running a brothel
>>1310262imagine being an 18-year-old girl looking like a 35-year-old man kek
No. 1310874
>>1310261They weren't forcing an aristocratic life on her, her dad got given the title as a gift. Why are you acting like she was a princess locked away in a tower?
Her parents didn't want their 16/17 year old daughter getting groomed and fucking around with an american twice her age and into BDSM.
Why is this so hard to grasp?
She ran away with him because he was facilitating her fantasies.
No. 1310949
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>>1310333>>1310339>>1310634You do understand she's a professional sugar baby running burlesque, has gone to sex parties since she was legal, and basically runs a whore house?
I'm pretty sure it's not the only naked picture Isibella has. I'm pretty sure she gets off on people finding her naked body attractive.
Also, she calls herself a madam even after the shit show. She's not even trying to hide it so I don't know why you're simping for her.
No. 1311652
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>>1310634I'd love to know what you think Perdita "does" if not prostitute/madam. What do you think her "job" is?
Anyone know what her boyfriend does? They're both so tacky lmao picrel
No. 1311664
>>1311652It seems Michael or Mick owns a logistics company in Asheville and was in the army for 6 years.
All his social media is private apart from his linked in.
I'm guessing he is probably around 14 years older than Isibella.
No. 1311810
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>>1310262How are you not going to post this one. Absolutely terrifying
No. 1311884
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>>1311810Lol you posting photos from when she was so young here you go look at this ugly ho oh ya she is the one making all the noise and then posting sexy photos of herself and calling herself the kitten princess bitch sit down fucking Maximilien Robespierre looking / acting bitch. I am sure if we went lurken in all these tired hoes’ pages we would find this trailer trash shit. Girl bye I don’t see how anyone can buy this stupid ass drama ya all a bunch of drama queens tryna make a name of this English bitches back get a hobby girl maybe do you hair I dunno go to the nail salon do your make up and stop taking ugly stank ass selfies and expecting dudes to pay you for that trash lmao looking like you just woke up from a period nap lmao
No. 1311935
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>>1311884“ Omg Robespierre looking /acting bitch” I get none of these dumb cows get that.
Off to Wikipedia..
(samefagging) No. 1312102
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>>1311884literally who?
>>1311967Perdita is big mad
>>1311810she looks like Mark Zuckerberg and Elizabeth Holmes had some kind of fucked up bird-lizard-horse baby
No. 1312242
>>1311887We know they have been dating for years, you dense heffer.
Contribute something?
No. 1312471
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>>1312267Wynifred Wilson
Who is she?
No. 1312509
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>>1312505just wondering because the only partner mentioned in Grey’s obit is Mick
and Isibella moved in 3 months later?
No. 1312537
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Girl I didn’t call you Robespierre because you are a humanitarian I called you that shit cus you like calling yourself the kitten princess after your reign of terror just like Robespierre calling himself the emperor until his own people cut off his head. Thanks for heads up about the wrong photo here is the correct one.
No. 1312544
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>>1311884This bitch is pissed about this picture but she didn’t she even notice this one.
No. 1312550
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You cows are getting off topic let’s get back to this amazing quality of PetPlay Palace. This is worth exactly 1 Walmart token right here. Who the fuck even looks at this trash group. You furry retards are so gross.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 1312566
>>1312550New queen of kitten play looks like a hot topic ham hock
What an upgrade !!!
No. 1312583
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Hey you know what I heard about Cake-0 is that she constantly begged Chris to fuck her and forced herself on him at the event after he rejected her so what you see on the video is actually taken out of context it’s her trying to get on him. We know how it is when desperate hoes like this who obviously spent most of their teen years as a emo girl and didn’t get attention from the boys would go out of their way to destroy their secret crush’s relationship. Seems legit.
No. 1312845
>>1312654make a thread for these other hoes if you’re so inclined. we’re here to talk about one bird-faced hoe in particular.
no matter what the deal was re: Grey Malkin, Perdita and Michael look like trashy assholes.
No. 1313555
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You know what??? You are absolutely right… All kittens from the Chateau are free game including Sam Birringer AKA(Purrista) Yah wanna dance? I sure as hell can spill of a lot of tea there…(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 1313738
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he recently un-privated all these pics of him and Grey. guess he knows we know… something.
tbh I think Grey was gorgeous and much prettier than Perdita. Grey also seemed incredibly bright and talented. this all made me sad, and makes Perdita look even more pathetic.
No. 1313760
>>1313738I'm sorry they both look like horse-faced trannies.
He's gone from pillar to post.
No. 1313902
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Talk about a meth head wanna be… looks like she hasn't slept or had life in her for days. But I just don't care….(ban evading )
No. 1315307
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Its all swept under the rug. She has no remorse.
No. 1315411
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>>1315145any caps of this stuff?
also I love how she photoshops herself and Michael, but doesn't bother with her friends
No. 1315598
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What she really looks like… Average at best and without the hair extension below average…
No. 1323650
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Technically not Isibella related but wtf happened to Logan didn’t even recognise him
Daley looking beautiful as always tho no idea why she’s married to him(emoji)
No. 1325320
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Im gonna lmao if she shaves her head dude
No. 1325385
>>1325320She doesn't have the headshape or facial features for a buzzcut, and that's putting it nicely. She needs to remember what she really looks like, not the edited version.
>>1315598The real proportions are gonna look like a wine mom having a midlife crisis. All the egirls with buzzcuts already have petite heads and features.
No. 1325968
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What she looks like without all the editing and photoshopping. Now imagine that bald….
No. 1352403
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This suggestions that her new Piece might be "collaring" her.
No. 1352404
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Seems like she isn't showered with fancy flowers anymore
No. 1352406
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She deleted the sob sorry videos she made. I mean now that it's all been brushes aside by her she can pretend it never happened and move on.(namefag)
No. 1352408
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Hasn't she said this about everyone she's been with?
No. 1353048
>>1352423Completely agree - she seems genuinely sweet unlike the rest of these crazies
Anybody notice Daniels post recently?
No. 1355385
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>>1354640Proof the Isibella didn’t pay for anything herself & Daniel feeling bitter
(don't use emojis ) No. 1355387
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“ Once upon a time, about nine years ago to the day, we were at Church downstairs for SIN Sunday. Isibella and I used to go to Goth night jokingly referred to as vampire hunting. That particular evening, I told Astra that someday we were totally going to host a party in the Church sanctuary. And sure enough, that night, I spoke to Thanos. He seemed on board. Next day I emailed April about a “Cirque du KInque Sideshow” concept - maybe a “Vampire Ball”. In a matter of days, we scheduled it, made this flier, and got to work. In less than three weeks, we schemed a ridiculous concept - we would sacrifice a virgin on a cross suspended from the rafters… Jovan built us the suspension cross, Vic agreed to lend us his suspension skills, and we met the beautiful Corinne who was entirely down to be sacrificed in our questionable endeavor. We got some DJs, found some other performers - aerials, burlesque, opera - and had a fabulous party. And went on to have many more!
This was long before Chateau, long before we knew about any larger Vampire Community. Long before many of you probably even had any thought about catgirls or vampires or fetish balls for that matter…
We didn’t get paid. We didn’t sell tickets. Church just charged at the door. It was just a fun thing for our community. There wasn’t really any large scale vampire or goth/fetish events at the time, and we wanted to create something magical.
It then, of course, exploded. And the explosion exploded. And now, years later, more or less everyone I’ve tagged - and cannot tag - above has left and moved on to other adventures.
But, if just for a moment, we did create something wonderfully magical….
Thank you all!(don't use emojis )
No. 1355388
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No. 1358040
>>1358001>>1358001Isibella doesn’t allow any of Daniels post to be visible on her page, nor does she ever like or comment under them.
she also only has him as a friend on her 2nd account, not her main “Isibella Mircalla Karnstein” which she posts on
Are they still on speaking terms or does Daniel just post like they’re still in contact and he didn’t groom her from the age of 17 and drunkenly stole her virginity?
No. 1358489
>>1354363From what I can remember Midnight Bloodrose real name Tasha (Natasha?) Hill and her then boyfriend, both from Plymouth in the UK, were into kittenplay and made youtube videos similar to Isibella's.
They even created a copycat Chateau called Bloodrose Manor which was cringe. I think they both just stalked the shit out of Isi's social medias at the time and were sending her anon abuse on tumblr and just being incredibly
toxic.
Midnight's boyfriend appeared later under the name Felicity Sweetland and i think was actually on speaking terms with Isi. Felicity was actually now a kitten also but would photoshop pictures and wear wigs to creepily look like Isi.
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No. 1358802
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>>1358489>>1358490>>1358493>>1358494>obviously very edited/photoshopped/filtered>still obviously a fat man with a 5 o'clock shadow wearing a breast plate>wearing ex gf's underwear and clothes>posting poorly traced pokemon pornShe was fooled by this chrischan looking mfer? lmao
No. 1358807
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>>1358802sage for samefag, but he seems like an entire horrorcow himself
No. 1360185
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>>1359872I found this on Tumblr. I may have not gone back far enough or she had a clean up of the drama. But I remember there were asks because she always had simps asking if she was okay all the time.
No. 1360189
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that’s not her real face
No. 1360404
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this Vicky Shingles-tier shoop
No. 1361066
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lol she’s notorious for shooping her waist smaller even though she’s skinny already.. and the cheek of it.. she has shooped Michael’s shoulders bigger
No. 1361225
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Again not her face.. her real face is long and harsh, someone please take away those apps away from her
No. 1364660
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Confirming Daniels abuse?
No. 1364694
>>1364660NGL, stuff like this kinda makes me feel bad for her. I know she's a groomer herself, but she was only 17 when Daniel found her. It seems like she never knew healthy non-
abusive relationships existed.
No. 1365089
>>1364694Would completely agree. No excuse for her behaviour but I imagine she comes from an
abusive or neglectful home situation, then moved onto Daniel…. And is now in another co-dependant trapped relationship. She had no job? No money? No own apartment? Dangerous situation to be in….. makes it very hard to leave when things start going tits up. Right now they are in their honeymoon period so of course everything is roses.
No. 1365405
>>1365089Yeah, plus the moids who pursue these "broken bird" type women tend to be needy
abusive messes themselves. It's hard to feel any sympathy for her since she turned around and abused other women in the same way as soon as she got the chance but…ugh. Bleak existence.
No. 1366297
>>1365539seriously tho you guys are toue double standards its okay for people you paint as a
victim to not contact police but damn anyone painted as a villain who also lived through exteme abuse. I do not care what anons on 4chan think of what is the truth or not I witnessed it therefore its real to me. if im a simp because i care about womans rights then oh well at least im not a hypocrit.
No. 1366435
>>1366044I believe this happened. But what is also so sad is that she allowed her abuser access to many more vulnerable young women…
She claimed she was creating a safe space, but that was never possible when she created this environment with her very own abuser. I imagine she was in some form of denial but hey
(learn2sagr) No. 1368140
>>1361066I would honestly be so upset if my partner picked out all my ‘flaws’ like this and then literally erased them. and it’s not like she just de-wrinkled his shirt or fixed a stray hair. she edited him in ways that he can’t actually achieve IRL. pretty gross.
>>1366663kek no. Perdita is notoriously sloppy.
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What a laugh! Yeah Perdita, you're so kind to people. You're so kind that you let people get assaulted, cried that you were the victim and moved on. You're so kind. You caused me to have a mental breakdown to which I still deal with all these years on and spread rumours about me to victimise yourself more. You're so kind aren't you?
No. 1368365
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>>1364660so she went to New Orleans with her merry band of retarded larpers
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>>1368365…and caught covid! surprise! guys, has anyone else experienced loss of smell and taste?
no wonder she chose this life. this bird-woman is truly braindead.
No. 1368383
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>>1368365I can't get over this dude in the corner
No. 1369547
>>1369454I knew this whole thing seemed sus. do you have any more details?
sorry, anon. Grey seemed really lovely.
No. 1370019
>>1369639uh, someone can have an identity disorder and still drop acid. someone can even have an identity disorder
caused by acid. why so defensive?
No. 1370934
>>1370289>I am explaining the situation yet you are trying to make it about isibellayou’ve literally explained nothing, and
you’re the one trying to make it about Isibella.
No. 1371064
File: 1637255688495.jpg (594.68 KB, 1322x2719, sif.jpg)
Damn Isi…. Is it ever not about you??? You selfish disgusting POS. using your "friend's" death for sympathy… lying about her cause of death and spreading misinformation, deliberately lying about how she died, going against the family's wishes and making it all about you… LOVED watching you get called out by her real family and friend's on your own post!!!! It showed they were sickened by you.
No. 1374599
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Daniel predatory behaviour continues…
Think he’s maybe stop with the private sex parties after the year he’s had.
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Do her orbiters ever notice? Come on now
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>>1422892Presented without comment.
No. 1504232
>>1423129It must be bc she still mentions the chateau website.
She just did an interview for an article. Where she says her role model is Queen Elizabeth. Lmfao. Go figure.
https://thehollywooddigest.com/isibella-karnstein-a-woman-of-substance/ No. 1550646
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>>1526006Well we now know when his hearing is. funny that its all happening in El Paso county when I'm pretty sure the cat manor/Daniel's house is in Littleton.
No. 1593230
>>1504232she had no intention of quitting anything she isnt remorseful she thinks she is a
victim wheh she causes her own drama.
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>>1238592>>1238718>>773497>>1303551>>1300510Ok if I'm getting things right it seems like
>Logan and isabella potentially dated, but it seems like both sides deny it on and off so who knows>isabella was telling people that father sebastian raped her and/or others and logan was attempting to "save" isabella
>isabella says logan's "saving" was actually unsolicited sexual advances >might have had more to do with business ventures collapsing>isabella couldn't keep her stories straight, which potentially could've pit two groups against each other (austin court vs chateau)>logan did get arrested for aggravated assault (picrel) which matches up timeline wise of the accusations of him forcing himself onto isabella>but also, isabella is known to lie about sexual assault, so what lead up to him fighting some random guy is up for questions No. 1984532
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Alot of you all are a bunch of fat lol cows who didn't make cover or got your way with her. fuckin losers(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)