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No. 17680

Lesbian only vent thread, febfem, polilez, horrendous experience with bi women… Let it all out !

No. 17681

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>>17680
to kickstart the thread, today I've learn that in the EU only 3% of the LGBT funds go to lesbian, what a worthy sacrifice from our foremothers.
Between having to cap for gay men and having to hear about bi women and their nigels… I'm so tired

No. 17686

It took me over twenty years to realize it's peak men->peak trans->peak men again->peak other women

No. 17687

>>17681
3%?! God, that's depressing.

>>17686
Same. I fell for the "sisterhood" lie and spent many years trying to achieve that. I kept telling myself that it's ok if the last woman I tried befriending treated me like a perverted freak of nature because I'm a butch lesbian, surely the next one won't! Cue a conga line of women ready to kick the shit out of my self-esteem.

No. 17688

>>17687
NTA but yeah, it is not worth it. Even the lesbian community is locked and loaded ready to wreck a butch if you're not their type, I get a lot of weird aggression from people who think I'm hot even actually, just weird shit. People are truly faithless. I guess I really am out of my idealistic years now because I've gone through enough disappointment to know you can't let people into your heart by default just based off any kind of identity you have in common. People act in hypocritical ways all the time and that is one thing but to feel no shame and not try to correct contradictory/harmful behavior is the mark of a garbage person.

No. 17696

I think my "peak OSA women" moment was when a girl I know personally started posting about how gay she was and how mean lesbians deny her her gayness and don't consider her LGBTQ enough because - wait for it - she's engaged to a scrote that identifies as nonbinary. Bitch really takes part in pride marches in full rainbow garb bragging about being gay and evil gatekeeping lesbos can suck it while walking hand in hand with a bearded linebacker who uses they/them pronouns.

No. 17702

>>17688
Honestly, being a butch lesbian is a blackpill in and of itself. You're a disgusting abomination to polite society and, like you said, so many lesbians (again, the search for sisterhood fails) hate us for a variety of reasons and even women attracted to us can be assholes about it. In the past I've had women basically be like "ugh, I hate that you're hot to me, just fuck me and get it over with", they'll often make references to their femininity too like I'm being visited by an angel. Ironically, I prefer androgynous to butch women in terms of pure looks, which makes it even more stupid. At this point I'm glad I'm autistic and that my modest social life is enough to keep me feeling satisfied.

>>17696
Ye olde "mean lesbian" trope has done so much damage, and it's like… did you morons ever stop to think about why we're acting mean? Hearing terms like "lady dick", "mouth feel" and "cotton ceiling" is enough to make any stable minded woman froth at the mouth with rage. I worked with a bearded non-binary scrote who also had a gf like what you describe. Some of the older women in the office who were basically peaked because of him and the other troon we worked with shared the gf's tiktoks in group chats. They were so funny to watch with newly peaked women who had no idea how crazy TRAs could be. It was the average "wahhh mean fags and dykes won't be our fwieinds" "why is going out in public in fetish gear bad?" and "did you know people who oppose troons are litcherally white supremacists?" but it really cracked me up hearing her get obliterated by women who were usually mild-mannered and "live and let live" in regard to troons. Gives me hope for normie women. But yeah, the amount of caping this woman did for him online was insane given what a miserable, fun sponge he was. Like if he was a really sweet and friendly guy I might kinda get it, but it's almost always the worst of men these pick-mes choose to defend and advocate on the behalf of.

No. 17703

>>17687
>>17688
>>17702
Being a butch lesbian truly is being dealt the worst cards available when it comes to trying to have a social life. I'm not even a full on provocative bulldyke type when it comes to looks but more of a soft butch yet even I get treated as a freak who will sexually assault you if left alone in a room. I'm barely seen as a woman because my mannerisms are so masculine and I've done an advanced job deprogramming the female socialization out of myself. And now I'm barely even seen as a fucking lesbian, it was just last week when a straight girl went off talking over me and schooling me on issues gay people face like I had no idea. Left me utterly speechless, this hettie bettie really considers herself an authority figure on what I experience every day.

>even women attracted to us can be assholes about it.

My bisexual ex called me her "boyfriend" like it was a compliment and it still makes me want to hurl. I'd rather go to the grave single than date a bi woman ever again.

No. 17705

>>17703
Ugh, my bi ex called me that too. I don't mind more masculine compliments, like my wife calls me "handsome" as a sort of nickname, and it absolutely makes me melt. But she's a lesbian and I guess what you'd call "chapstick", so she gets it. Bi women just straight up treat us as moids and don't understand why it makes us feel uncomfortable and angry. In the past I struggled with dysphoria and my ex also used that against me by saying that she picked up on me being "male aligned" and was only acting out what felt "spiritually correct". Naturally, she was a pillow princess who treated me like a dildo on legs despite proclaiming how hecking gay she was all the time. She's really into video game fandoms and is a prolific fanfic writer of F/M smut with her "original characters" that are very obvious self-inserts that exist only to have sex; as much as she tries creating weak stories for each of them. Every now and then I'll skim her new fics for a laugh, and hoo boy, do they ever deliver. She's your classic Kinsey 1 nightmare. A psychiatrist would have a field day with her.

No. 17706

>>17703
I don't think we should let them speak over us. I luckily never seem to come across someone quite so audacious as you nonas described but I always put bisexuals and "queers" in their place. I do not mince words at all, I'm not going to be patronized on my actual exclusive same sex attraction by some bihet. Standing up for myself used to be tough but I have grown so goddamn tired of trying to be polite and letting these people think they can get away with 'splaining their queer theory to my dyke ass.

No. 17709

I wish it was more feasible to befriend a sizable amount of other lesbians. I'm just sick of OSA thirsting, OSA male reformist mindset, the worry that the febfems and celibate straights I know will suddenly date men again the moment they meet "the right guy." I want lesbian only online spaces, lesbian only clubs, lesbian only jobs, even. I'm so tired of men and heteros everywhere.

No. 17711

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Have any of you had a chance to read the 90s comic book Hothead Paisan, the Homicidal Lesbian Terrorist?

No. 17727

>>17709
I've done a decent job finding actual lesbians but more often than not the so-called lesbians turn out to be bi all along. My friends and I have a group chat where we flag fakebians and talk shit because it's that prevalent kek

No. 17730

>>17727
How do you find out and know they're faking?

No. 17763

>>17730
History with men they will always find a way to talk about

No. 17764

I feel like I've become "OSA exclusionary" just as much as I'm a "TERF" now. (And I mean that in a tongue-in-cheek way since I'm so fed up with all sides of politics, I'm not anything anymore.) What drives me insane is how I read about movements like 6B4T taking off, but meanwhile most self-proclaimed "radfems" in US/UK/Canada/etc. are closer to being liberal choice feminists that just happen to be gender critical and anti-porn. Seeing self-proclaimed "radfems" online screech about how practicing basic principles like separatism (radical feminism is a specific ideology, most feminists aren't radical feminists in general so it should mean something if you call yourself one) is like the evil mean lesbians are putting a gun to their head to make them break up with their Nigel makes me lose hope in actual feminism actually taking off in the west. It also makes me so bitter that despite being not aligned with any political group or party, I kind of have to talk about politics anyway because homophobia/misogyny/patriarchy affects me, but so many OSA women just treat feminism/leftism as a hobby and drop their politics the moment they find a man.

I've kind of stopped caring about OSA women outside an individual basis now, and even then I feel like they'll drop me the moment I call them out on their inevitable lesbophobia.

No. 17766

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I'm usually not bothered by my online friends complaining about nigel's issues in group chats because they make it short and I drop a truth bomb that sometime make them reflect a bit but my god my friend irl make me want to scream. I tell them thing I told my mom when she would complain about my dad, but my friends still comply to moids. I truly cannot say HOW refreshing it is to chat away with a lesbian. In a way being a lesbian feel like a great power with great responsibility like being a woman, an insight on life ones who are not will never have

No. 17791

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Saw this in the celebricows thread. It was said by Yellowjackets star Jasmin Savoy Brown. Idk who the fuck that is or what Yellowjackets is. But if anyone asks me why I guard myself against OSA women, why I've been hurt by their rhetoric, I might just show them this image, as it covers most of the main talking points.
>muh compulsive heterosexuality
>subtly hinting that lesbians aren't real women because only sleeping with men is "gender affirming"
>subtly hinting that lesbians aren't "fun" because we won't suck a cock
>muh sex work
>"just feeling like it" as if sleeping with a moid is a silly little whim you get like wanting to eat cheese before bedtime
>evil goldstars
>insinuating women who came out later were just having fun with men and not closeted due to homophobia
>muh transwomen (kek at her admitting that sleeping with one would void your goldstar card)
>shilling lesbianism as a freeing political identity
>shilling Stone Butch Blues
Usually I can just laugh at actors or singers or w/e saying stupid stuff because I never expect them to say anything of worth. But I've encountered this kind of woman IRL and they are absolutely infuriating with their misogyny and lesbophobia (never outright homophobia because moids are worshipped ofc). But we're the bad guys because we think words should have clear definitions.

No. 17793

>>17791
Samefagging because I forgot to add:
>I invite you to go out into a real-world lesbian space
Most of can't because they're NEARLY ALL FUCKING CLOSED! Seriously, how ignorant can you be? I bet she thinks the average gay bar is a lesbian space just because we have our initial in the alphabet soup. No real lesbian would ever be so naive.

No. 17817

>>17791
I am so sick of Feinberg's tranny rambling being THE book every masc reads now. Stone Butch Blues is a disgusting book that breeds trannies out of baby butches and masc bisexuals. Whenever a younger butch approaches me with excitement about it I make sure I slam the fuck out of that piece of shit book.

No. 17820

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>>17817
I actually paid money to have a physical copy of SBB (I hate e-reading) after it being recommended to me for years as the butch bible. Man, I was so pissed off when I read that fucking thing. Some moments hit home, sure. But the part where Feinberg's self-insert commits rape-by-deception against a straight woman when she's living as a male disgusted me. I only finished the book to see if she ever addressed that but nope, no remorse. People argue about whether or not that actually happened in Feinberg's life, but IMO I think it did. She was so deep in tranny nonsense that she wouldn't see anything wrong with doing such a thing. Probably made her feel like she passed real good, when the only reason she wasn't clocked despite looking like picrel was because female trannies were so rare back then. I always wondered if Feinberg's somewhat early death was related to taking testosterone for so long, but who knows. I just wish that fucking book would stop haunting masc women. You literally get looked at like a philistine if you haven't read it, or worse, actively dislike it.

No. 17821

>>17820
I've seen people debate the rape by deception by saying it's TERFy to say she ought to have disclosed her transness… This community is so fucking lost. Butch identity has always been entangled with gendery stuff and I am pretty comfortable with that as we get targeted with a type of misogyny so intense that it's impossible not to develop problems with self image. However this fucking book is nothing but trouble for someone too young to grasp the full magnitude of what it's talking about, it's one of those books that one should be reading with a critical eye or not at all.

Tbh I doubt she was able to actually trick a straight woman into thinking she has a dick IRL, did they even have double density straps back then? According to my het friend it's really easy to tell when something is an organ vs a piece of silicone, from temperature to texture. She said dicks also pulse during sex BARF. I think it's possible for transwomen to trick straight men but I'm not sure a woman could be tricked, we have a lot of attention to detail.

No. 17824

>>17821
I feel the same with the gendery stuff. It's no wonder we brush up against trans ideology when we get a double dose of misogyny and often are targets of homophobia from a young age. I'm early 30s and I've never had to come out to anyone because I was always assumed to be a lesbian. I never had the privilege of hiding my homosexuality because everyone knew before even I did, ironically enough. I have struggled with "dysphoria" (I use that word loosely, IMO it's just the end result of receiving such amounts of bigotry) but even in the grip of it SBB never appealed to me. In a way it was helpful as it made me realise how fucking dumb this shit is. It's easy to justify your own mind saying "ooh maybe live as a moid" because when distressed it can seem like the grass is greener on the other side. When someone else lays out the same idea, you realise it's actually nuts. I really hope the part about the straight woman is wishful thinking. The fact there's even discourse about disclosing her sex to start with makes me want to rope. Anyway, I have to go and vomit now because dicks do what during sex?!

No. 17826

Stone Butch Blues isn't horrible, it's worth a read imo. But the problem is that it's one single person's biased and imperfect account of her experiences. Then academia gets involved and it becomes the lesbian bible because it was there. That's it. That's why SBB is the holy grail of lesbian experience. Because Universities needed a book for their Gender Studies curriculum and SBB was available. It's not like there are thousands of memoirs by butch lesbians to pick from. So SBB becomes read and cited and referenced, and then the fact that it's been cited and referenced gives it more and more credibility with leads to exponential growth in citations and references until it becomes perceived as scientific fact.

It's classism. The idea that regular homosexuals aren't enlightened enough to understand what gets our clit hard or what repulses us, we need to be taught how to Lesbian by someone with a PHD in Gender Studies. We need to read the required books and we get judged based on our understanding of them. And that's the root of all the bullshit right now. There are homosexuals who just want to live their lives and fuck the same sex. And there are people in academia who view homosexuals as some kind of valuable resource for their careers, people who may not even be homosexual themselves but if they have enough money they're able to buy a piece of paper saying they are the Official Homosexuality Experts and everyone (especially real homosexuals) must defer to them at all times. Nobody is going to consider your lived experience as a butch lesbian woman over the 'data' and 'science' coming from the expert (which is literally just the lived experience of one single woman inflated into The Official Peer-Reviewed Lesbian Experience). Sure all the (stupid uneducated chud) lesbians we interviewed claim they don't want to schlorp girldick or rape straight women by deception, but a tenured tranny says otherwise so #trustscience. Sorry this started as a rant about Stone Butch Blues and turned into a rant about academia.

No. 17828

It is so insanely retarded when bi women scream biphobia at the "bi women always date men" tweets. Like tf are you mad at wtf is there to be mad at fucking imbecile stop screaming I can smell your moid loving breath from a mile away. I know this one bi woman who's whole identity is being queer and gay while she spent one whole summer crying about a moid, went into some psychosis and lost tons of weight because he didn't pick her, before that spent 3 years in love with other moid, never dated a woman and keeps rt hetero tweets and memes and "relationship goals" while talking about how she wants het marriage in the future and only talks about her potential dating partners as if they can only be males. What the fuck makes you gay and queer bitch you talk about playing with jizz and how kinky you are cause of that

No. 17837


No. 17852

>>17837
Retarded tangent but because butch lesbians are considered "male lite" by OSA women and men in general it took me a long time to accept that I'm lesbian, due to being butch myself I thought I was bi because I'm into other butches. Also goddamn she's hot, it took me a very long time to realize that women can look like this too and still remain women.

No. 17876

>>17837
I really hope she doesn't troon out, she has a big audience. She does have a history with men and talks about some stuff in a way that makes me think she is bisexual with a strong preference for women. She also apparently believes in the fluid sexuality shit which is a big red flag. Still, a nice bi masc who has a pretty good video on how to give head for beginners. Also why the FUCK does she consider herself a stud that is extremely cringe she knows better.

No. 17877

>>17826
As a SBB hater this was a really interesting post. I'm a dumbass that dropped out at 15 and I forget about the shit "educated" people do. You're completely right that SBB was just… there. It just ticked a box I guess. I should've known that as my bihet ex studied women and gender studies or some shit, but I try to blot her ramblings out of my mind. My publisher actually asked me if I was interested in writing a book on my experiences as a butch lesbian who went through conversion therapy after I published my junkie memoir (don't judge me, I wanted the money kek). But I turned them down. Reading this kinda makes me feel like I should've said yes just to get another voice out there. But in this day and age? There is no way I could speak frankly. There's far too many sensitive topics I would touch on, it's too risky. At best, the book would have like five fans and would lose money for the publisher while making me look stupid for writing the damn thing. At worst, some booktokker would post about me writing something "problematic" and I'd have weapons grade autists trying to track down my pen name and ruin my life. It's cowardly, but I just don't need those worries.

>>17828
I hate anyone who makes their sexuality their personality, but bi women are the worst offenders because they can talk the talk but not walk the walk. The "wahh I'm invisible" shit annoys me the most though. Yeah, you're not read as gay because you're in a relationship with a whole ass MAN and won't leave the house unless you've got a full face of make-up and dressed like an insta baddie. I wish I could be invisible and just go about my business without getting hassled, that sounds awesome.

>>17837
>straight until 22 and fucking men because no representation
As a tattooed, bodybuilding butch with short hair, I was so happy to see her on the thumbnail. Then I clicked the link and she has to go and say all of that. I don't wanna be mean but… you don't need representation to know you're gay and if you're doing the deed with men… ok I'm gonna shut up. I'll watch the video and give her a chance.

No. 17884

Finding out cowboyjen on tumblr wasn't gs ruined my day
>You say this yet no proof
I was traumatized enough reading it from the horse's mouth the first time I'm not going back again

No. 17885

>>17877
>straight until 22 and fucking men because no representation
does she say that about herself in the video? it's pretty long and i don't want to watch it just for that

No. 17889

>>17837
I'm >>17877 and just heard her say the words "toxic monogamous mindset" and that's it, I can't listen to any more of this shit. It's awesome to see a masc woman out there being proud, but she's basically just an edgy libfem. Her manhating doesn't go deep enough. It's just "omg men SUCK I hate them I don't wanna be like but I did fuck them because uh… no representation". I've heard it too many times before, it brings nothing to the table.

>>17876
Same, I would hate to find out that she trooned out. She's a dumbass and definitely reads as a bi woman mostly into women, but masc women are so rare these days. Hope she stays strong. Calling herself a stud is very odd though. I asked my wife if she knew any white women who did that, as she's a black lesbian from burgerland. She said that it's not uncommon in "wiggers" who chase black women, but also a lot of post modern types will just use the word because they think butch is icky or isn't cool enough or w/e. My guess is that this YouTuber is the latter if she's harping on about that "fluid" bullshit.

>>17884
No! I love cowboyjen so much, she's so positive and sweet sounding. Damn, gold stars can't have shit.

>>17885
Not in those exact words but yes. It's near the beginning if you wanna hear it.

No. 17892

>>17889
Oh she is big into black femmes, that's her whole deal. She has some actual studs in her circle who are clearly not actually okay with her calling herself that but are tolerating their weird wigger friend because she does seem like a sweet person otherwise. She's so into this life coach growth mindset bla bla thing too so I mostly look at her content to feel schadenfreude. She is half Italian half Japanese and her family do not speak with that accent she's got going on, very Ariana Grande coded of her.

As a half-white woman with a liberal family in fucking California she has zero right to be saying there was no representation for a butch lesbian for her to be fucking guys until her mid 20s bro please. Comphet is not real unless you live under sharia or some sort of religious bubble with parents controlling your devices etc.

No. 17893

i am cracking the fuck up at this woman i cant dude

No. 17895

>>17892
AYRT and hooo boy. Surprised she hasn't been called out for fetishising or w/e if that's the case. I thought the accent sounded a lil inorganic though. Like a middle class girl tryna act tough and street smart, kek. The comphet thing is very annoying, it would be much more progressive of her to admit to being bi. Bisexuals online are mostly represented by het leaning feminine women, so she has a unique perspective in that way. Gotta get that sweet, sweet clout tho and bisexies are so 2010s.

>>17893
As an Arab woman this video made my pussy drier than the sandy hellhole that spawned me. The white guilt is incredibly annoying and some of the shit she mentions is not even exclusive to non-whites. Thanks for posting this though, nona. Got my wife and I laughing our beautiful, spicy, honey dipped, coloured asses off.

No. 17896

>>17884
To be fair cowboyjen is in her 50-60s right? That's probably legitimate comphet.

No. 17898

>>17895
HONEY-DIPPED that fucking GOT me I will not recover anytime soon…

>>17896
NTA but yeah for someone Jen's age I don't actually think it's illegitimate. Idk what post anon was referring to, maybe there's more to the story but my impression was that she let them use her body without getting anything out of it and then eventually figured out why that was the case.

No. 17900

>>17898
Wait ok it seems it was one man and she did it to try it out? Weird ass notion idk what to make of it but she is old so. I don't know.

No. 17903

>>17900
I mean this with love but if you're judging a 60 year old lesbian for not being pure enough you need to take a break from the discourse and go outside. The comphet masterdoc is retarded but comphet is still a thing. A lesbian who struggled with her sexuality in the 70s-80s isn't the same as some zoomer who is openly attracted to/hooking up with men while identifying as a lesbian.

No. 17910

>>17903
I'm gonna ignore the touch grass ass comment because you already know you're being petty for that but I wasn't even saying she's a bihet or something. It's just strange to have slept with women and then go fuck a man for no reason, I said I can't quite grasp why she'd do that. She's indeed from an older generation than I am (I'm 29) and I already acknowledged that in my post. Idk what you want me to say.

No. 17914

>>17903
I think the whole modern "comphet" shit is bullshit, but the obsession with gold star in online spaces also drives me crazy.

No. 17924

I have always had bi friends and they're decent people. It's just annoying that they admit men are fucked up and yet still pander to their Nigels because they're 'different' even though they do shit like watching porn in their relationship behind their backs etc. I have rarely met any other lesbians except one in college 8 years ago and I was still deep in the closet so I never really connected. Not even looking for a relationship, I just wish I had more lesbian friends in my life who get it. I can't imagine how tiring it is to still care about mens opinions and have your world revolve around them.

No. 17941

>>17914
Agree, I definitely don't think a "lesbian" having multiple healthy, fulfilling relationships including sex with men up until her late 20s or something is "comphet" but just plain bisexuality but the obsession with gold star purity reeks of insecurity and/or polilez and I say this as a bona fide older gold star myself. Some people just need to find themselves via trying out their options and seeing what works and doesn't work for them and they can even doubt their sexuality later in life because women regardless of orientation are manipulated into looking for male validation. Not all of us are born out of the womb certain of their sexuality with no experimenting and most of us don't even meet other lesbians up until college age, if ever.

>>17924
The main problem I have with my bi friends besides them always selling women short to please men is that they all date a long term Nigel yet still act like authority figures on lesbian issues, but also immediately distance themselves from those "mean gatekeeping lesbians" when the situation sees fit. It's like they're having their cake yet eating it too, they get the "clout" for being LGB but with no commitment. My most hated discourse is the "overt sexualization and objectification of women is okay because bi and lesbian women exist" one.

No. 17942

>>17924
All women defend their nigels even lesbians. Faggots are lesbians nigels.

No. 17943

>>17942
Go back to your blackpill containment thread retard

No. 17946

>>17941
>Agree, I definitely don't think a "lesbian" having multiple healthy, fulfilling relationships including sex with men up until her late 20s or something is "comphet" but just plain bisexuality but the obsession with gold star purity reeks of insecurity and/or polilez and I say this as a bona fide older gold star myself.
>women regardless of orientation are manipulated into looking for male validation. Not all of us are born out of the womb certain of their sexuality with no experimenting and most of us don't even meet other lesbians up until college age, if ever.
Exactly. I think most women who talk about "having comphet" like it's an affliction are bisexual and self-aware of knowing men are shitty, so they write it off as something society coerced them into (it's not, it's just knowing men suck even if you're attracted to them), but the OG definition that compulsory heterosexuality is how all women are socialized to care about men's feelings has some merit even if it was written by a polilez (yadda yadda, a broken clock is right twice a day, and you need to read things you disagree with, so you can criticize it). But speaking as someone who grew up religious and had lesbian friends who did too, I legitimately didn't see same sex attraction as natural for most of my life and being surrounded by unhappy heterosexual relationships, talk about how PIV is painful, not even knowing that women could orgasm or what a clit was until I was an adult, made me assume I must be straight too and will inevitably marry a guy when I'm 20-something. I live somewhere rural so I've never met a lesbian IRL yet, but I also didn't meet women who were enthusiastically into men until I was a teenager.
I've also felt like I had to keep my sexual trauma a secret in online lesbian spaces, because even if hardcore gold star types say "rape/SA doesn't count" (I've never willingly done something with a man or had an ex-BF), it's not rare for abuse to make you question what your sexuality really is, especially if options to date and have healthy sexual relationships are out of bounds. I've given up on dating because not only is it a numbers game, but I have a "damaged goods" mentality that no lesbian would want someone as broken as I am. Not to mention when I stopped being religious, the only alternative I could find was the pomo kweer shit online that preached "sexuality is fluid", so I went from identifying as straight to bisexual because like I said, how else was I going to know what real healthy sexual attraction was (I'm a late bloomer in that sense) and relationships when you're stuck between a rock and hard place, and drunk the politics Kool-Aid?

Even though I have a negative knee-jerk reaction when I see the phrase "comphet", I think we need to analyze it on a case-by-case basis instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

No. 17949

>>17945
NTA and I am very suspicious of anyone saying anything about comphet but I would not read you as a covert bihet personally. I understand what you're saying and think you deserve happiness and dignity. I had a similar experience where I identified as asexual until my mid 20s, I assumed I was a traumatized bisexual because I was acutely aware of my attraction to women as long as I can remember but had been subjected to noncon touching and general sleaziness by males and always felt uneasy and grossed out around them. Yet as long as I can remember I was told I must like the dudes I simply wanted to do shared hobbies with. For a long time I bought this idea that I'm only disgusted because I'm juvenile, that adults understand my feelings better than I do so I'll grow into being with men or something. There were no SSA girls my age around me as far as I knew, though I actually reconnected with some high school friends who turned out to be lesbians too lmfao. I had not really considered lesbian as a label because that simply did not ever come up in my community, being involved with males was something I took for granted all my life, an inevitable ending, even from infancy there are several videos of my parents talking about how I ought to get with a family friend's son. Although I did not live in a religious bubble, being gay only came up in the context of men and I did not meet any lesbians until my 20s after I moved to a western country. Lesbians did not exist in my country's media ever so I could not have seen them on TV even. As you said, straight women complain about every aspect of their het partnerships and that compounded my assumption that OSA just involves being grossed out and hating the man and not wanting to be around them very much, I already felt like a cornered animal whenever I was the object of a male peer's affection so I thought this was just how it feels. At the same time I was terrified of "objectifying" my female crushes because I knew how disgusted I was with my male peers doing that to me, obviously nurturing sexual feelings towards me that I would eventually either be confronted about or find out via receipts. I thought my crushes would feel the same way I did, seeing as they're not interested in me. In university I definitively understood that I will never want anything to do with males because of how deeply I felt for women I knew to be SSA, took some additional years to realize I'm not just traumatized and bi, I've just never had any attraction to men even before I got assaulted. For me meeting women I knew could potentially love me is what melted my shame away and I realized very quickly how actual attraction is. I had to do a lot of work looking back to my early life and untangling the narrative of my parents and community from my own real feelings. It's weird growing up being told things over and over and never seeing a single person going against that grain. If I had met even one butch as a youngin my entire gender confusion and framing myself as a broken person would not have happened. In hindsight I did pour ALL of my teenage sexual energy into jerking off to cartoon women and never once a cartoon male which should really have tipped me off sooner but I digress.

This is terribly rambly, sorry.

No. 17950

>>17941
This is a libfem rape ape way of thinking. Most people don't "sleep around" speak for yourself, why would you normalize this? Most people don't have to fuck others and whore out to figure out their identity, do gay men fuck women en masse to figure out their identity and what attracts them?

There's nothing wrong with gold stars and women safeguarding their relationships with other women. Women aren't STD collecting faggots and STDs carry a far greater burden and risk with women than men. You don't speak like a gold star at all, or even a women not acknowledging this basic fact. Sexuality is "fluid" and flexible for everyone, no one is born straight, gay but that doesn't give you the right to whore yourself off because you're just "figuring out stuff" it's not fair to the other non whore partner. Gold Stars are the natural reaction to women being fucked over by whore centered female culture as dictated by rape apes, mass propagation and promotion in a libfem world of mass abortion, mass birthrate decline, mass prostitution etc. That and bisexual women picking rape apes over other women. And no, gold stars aren't "insecure" over not having STDs, their betrayal of women partners and contact with predators, just bleakly disillusioned and hardened. This sounds more like a libfem rape ape whorish bi opinion than that of a Goldstar tbh.

No. 17952

>>17950
>faggots

No. 17953

>>17950
Book a therapy session for those projection issues and go back to the blackpill thread to sperg about whores nonnie xoxo

No. 17955

>>17952
NTA but gay men call us much worse even though we're allegedly a "community". They're not worth clutching your pearls over.

No. 17956

>>17955
I don't care what they act like, anon's not slick. If you don't know how to clock someone sperging about "whores" and "faggots" and "apes" then idk how to help you but whoever this person is, they do not belong in this thread.

No. 17957

>>17956
Yeah no shit they wandered out of the blackpill thread, but you just posted >>17952 which didn't highlight the other terminology she used.

No. 17958

>>17957
There is a massive population of thinly veiled homophobes trying to cover it up by only directing it at homosexual males, iykyk.

No. 17964

sespursongles is rolling in her grave

No. 17965

>>17958
Not when the homophobe in question is defending lesbians, fag hag.

No. 17966

>>17958
Faggots anon and obviously faggots is solely a gay male insult. The bizarre gay moid defending pearl clutching and lack of a real response to my post and the obsession with the words used baffles me. Quite clearly there is bp lingo being used here already and cross over in opinions, this is the same board after all.

>>17953
What exactly is being projected by my post, not being a whore? Yes, I am projecting not being a whore I suppose. Catty posts like this with no argument are pointless. If you want to promote sleeping around with males why not go to nearly every forum ever xoxo anon?

No. 17971

>>17966
I'm a butch lesbian and have been called faggot way more than any other slur in my life.

No. 17972

>>17971
NTA, a comphet one? Anyways, tell the fag hag >>17958 that then. It doesn't change that her post wasn't aimed against lesbians, it was defending lesbians from the comphet blogposters. If anything, they are in the wrong thread, and definitely on the wrong board.

No. 17974

>>17972
NTA but agreed. Blackpilled or not, anon spoke the truth. You don't need to sleep around to "find yourself", that's straight up libfem ideology. I'm butch and have also been called a faggot, but the use of the word here doesn't offend me, I know I'm not the target. Now, can we get back to laughing at OSA cringe?

No. 17975

>Some people just need to find themselves via trying out their options and seeing what works and doesn't work for them and they can even doubt their sexuality later in life because women regardless of orientation are manipulated into looking for male validation. Not all of us are born out of the womb certain of their sexuality with no experimenting
Why is this being posted here in a thread that was made for lesbians to talk about what they can't on the main board, and any lesbian who disagrees is being outcast by people raging against mild takes on comphet and gay men? There's nothing stopping you from invading the main board with very long paragraphs about lesbians potentially needing to sleep with men, or complaining that lesbians using the slur faggot is homophobic even though it's used against some lesbians like >>17971 said, which is why this thread was made.

No. 17976

>>17974
I don't like the obvious cliques forming between libfem anons versus blackpill anons on this board lately. Not only is it cringe. Accusing someone of being blackpill is starting to be a way to hijack any conversation and win any argument. Sorry, but complaining about someone calling men faggots and apes, and ending your complaints against lesbians for that - and telling you comphet isn't a thing - with "xoxo" rings loud alarm bells.

No. 17977

>>17941
>but the obsession with gold star purity reeks of insecurity and/or polilez
Anon, polilez are the ones who invented comphet and still promote it to the dismay of lesbians. Read the works of any renown radical feminist who calls herself a lesbian.

>>17893
Is she doing a skit? Please tell me she's doing a skit.

No. 17979

>>17977
It's so fucking sneaky of comphet defenders to cry polilez anytime someone calls bullshit on it, when it was political lesbianism that got us in this mess.

No. 17981

>>17979
Yes, and it's coming from anons posting multiple times about a blackpill anon from a blackpill thread. Do we have to pick a side to be allowed to post now or something? We can't say certain words or else it means we're one of them? Is this grade school? Accusing lesbians of being blackpill is seeming more and more like the new way to call lesbians male-aligned misogynistic pigs here - for daring to, gasp, roll eyes at comphet, or not be besties with gays. Sad. Lesbians need a private forum stat.

No. 17983

>>17976
that anon spent more time calling women whores than saying faggot or ape but whatever, you're gonna die on this hill defending that obvious OSA with a chip on her shoulder. dunking on annoying bihets or not that post was pure vomit.

No. 17986

>>17983
>If you don't know how to clock someone sperging about "whores" and "faggots" and "apes" then idk how to help you but whoever this person is, they do not belong in this thread.
The underlying problem anons arguing with her had was her disagreeing with comphet, though. They (you?) were already blogposting against lesbians for that, before she said begun ranting at you about bihets. This is a lesbian vent thread, you know. It's to be expected.

If you really don't want anons to think there's as much hostility against posters calling bihets whores as there is against calling men silly names, then express that from the start. Hell, stop flaming arguments in which you defend men from posters calling them those names. There is a surge of infighting happening, and it can be pin-pointed to anons shitposting at someone they call blackpill anon. Report her for saying whore, ignore her, just take your war out of the lesbian vent thread. It isn't a safe space.

No. 17987

>>17981
I think the issue is that a lot of rad fems are here on 2X and they're extremely cliquey. It was why I left radblr and stopped hanging out in the one rad aligned friend group I had offline. It's like school all over again, it's infuriating how everything turns into a team sport.

No. 17988

>>17986
I think maybe you're missing some context. Outside of the lesbian threads on lolcow there has been a big influx of anons acting homophobic while hiding behind manhate but showing their true colors when pressed on it and I'm hyper-vigilant because of that. A few people posted about it in the lesbian thread actually, I'm just wary. As for her actual point, I actually agree with her that we don't need to try men ever and it's fucked up to try to normalize that. The original discussion was actually about Cowboy Jen who is an old lady who grew up in a different time where things were not as straightforward and we didn't really have the legal protections we have today. I'm not sure most of you even read the entire exchange.

No. 17989

>>17949
this nonna, I'm a westerner and never met lesbians or masc women before highschool, and was disgusted by yuri moid culture and male eye candy characters in western media. When you never talked and knew lesbian growing up you just assume you will have to find the less annoying moid if you want a family.

No. 17990

>>17977
It's textbook politicizing lesbianism to treat it as some female separatist experience and not a sexuality that's often hard to figure out in a heteronormative world, and in my experience most of the lesbians really obsessed with the gold star discourse are the cringe baby gay radfems aged 16 to 23 who have barely even dated anyone and thus are "gold stars" by default. Anons acting as if there's only "came out as a lesbian in kindergarten and never doubted their identity" and "had sex with 50 men but kissed a girl once" with nothing in between do sound insecure as fuck when a lot of lesbians have the same story of trying to date boys, realized it did nothing for them, had an experience with a girl and found out that they aren't broken frigid wenches after all and realized they can only love women. Possibly with a lot of repressed memories from adolescence. An anon upthread brought up a point about how most hetero women are miserable in their relationships and it's easy to think that you're just supposed to hate being with a scrote anyway.

I mean kudos to the anons who somehow met an entire lesbian community in their formative years or live in a place where teenage dating isn't a thing anyway but god just listen to yourself for a second. It's totally fine to not want to date anyone else but gold stars and obvious bisexuals whining about having comphet are obvious clowns, but it's low empathy behavior to claim that women of all sexualities aren't pressured into conforming to male relationships or that people don't experiment with their sexuality when nobody in their right mind would call straight college girls drunkenly making out anything but heterosexual. It deserves to be talked more so that women who are genuine lesbians will relate to these feelings and be more encouraged to live as their authentic selves.

>>17981
Calling women whores is disgusting no matter the context and you don't win edgy internet points for doing so. Honestly I was on board with a thread about OSA woman cringe because they sure do serve but knew it would devolve into infighting with the worst kind of NLOG shit that focuses more on hating women in general and clawing at anons who don't fit their fragile hugbox mentality and aggressively misunderstanding them just to have their based and bwackpiwwed LARP, it just happened much faster than I anticipated. Please do leave for your own amazing lesbian site and then silently disappear when you turn 27 and the nicest Nigel asks you out.

No. 17992

>>17991
I'm presuming you didn't even read my post so I don't know what to say as this reply genuinely reads like an AI generated text anyway.

No. 17993

>>17990
You are confused, and calling lesbians whose views align with sespursongles the "real" political lesbians here - when yours align more with polilez radical feminists, the inventors of the comphet ideology you're blasting the thread with - is a very bold choice.

Nor is it political lesbianism - or even separatist, or even feminist actually - to say the idea lesbians sleep with men comes from separatist feminists. The audacity of some of you to lie that it's goldstars causing women to fake being lesbians. The length of your comphet blogposts were very offputting. It sure didn't take long for them to take over this thread like they did the public one, either. Their lengthiness does not add depth, or make your attempts to turn this thread into another comphet defense league any more welcome. You can try to bait and derail it into being that with as many buzzwords you've memorised from the goldstar lesbians who've said those things to you and your buddies, though.

>>17992
Of course you would assume that somebody who read your post couldn't disagree with it, and of course your reply to disagreement is just more snark. You have nothing else.

It's quite impressive to get this angry about lesbians not sleeping with men.

No. 17995

>>17949
I can't tell if this is a reply to my post, but I'm assuming it is since mine is above it and mentions some points I made. I do think the phrase "comphet" should be phased out by actual lesbians because of what it's been twisted into, but at the end of the day my issue is the obsession with "gold star"-ism. Even if I'm technically a "gold star" if rape/SA/CSA doesn't count, I legitimately don't feel comfortable in any space that scrutinizes if lesbians are gold star enough. I've been asked about it before, and I see no point in sharing the gritty details of literal assault I went through to decide if I'm not some interloping bihet.

>>17990
>It's textbook politicizing lesbianism to treat it as some female separatist experience and not a sexuality that's often hard to figure out in a heteronormative world, and in my experience most of the lesbians really obsessed with the gold star discourse are the cringe baby gay radfems aged 16 to 23 who have barely even dated anyone and thus are "gold stars" by default. Anons acting as if there's only "came out as a lesbian in kindergarten and never doubted their identity" and "had sex with 50 men but kissed a girl once" with nothing in between do sound insecure as fuck when a lot of lesbians have the same story of trying to date boys, realized it did nothing for them, had an experience with a girl and found out that they aren't broken frigid wenches after all and realized they can only love women.
>It's totally fine to not want to date anyone else but gold stars and obvious bisexuals whining about having comphet are obvious clowns, but it's low empathy behavior to claim that women of all sexualities aren't pressured into conforming to male relationships or that people don't experiment with their sexuality when nobody in their right mind would call straight college girls drunkenly making out anything but heterosexual.
THIS. Thank you so much. My biggest gripe is how logged on lesbian spaces do treat lesbianism as this one-size-fits all narrative of "knowing since you were a little girl" or whatever when that's not always that simple. I'm equally skeptical of most cases of "late bloomer" (as in age 40+, married with kids suddenly coming out), but a lot of lesbians I know didn't even have crushes until they were teenagers or young adults, and I didn't feel attraction to a woman until past 25 after seriously unpacking my trauma growing up. It's always the age 16-23 crowd too engaging in typical zoomer black-and-white thinking.

No. 17996

>>17993
Seething this hard over such a basic ass statement as "some women didn't realize they were lesbians until they tried forcing themselves into a relationship with a man and realized they can only love women" is what reeks of insecurity and projection, anon. If a gay man said that he first tried dating women but got nothing out of it and found his love in men, nobody would bat an eye. But god forbid if you had the same hurdle as a woman, into the poser pail you go. That's the politicization part, as if being a lesbian is a mystified ideology you consciously pick up and adhere to instead of an identity you accept through life experience. Good luck on your chosen path though, I hope your amazing true lesbians only site will be up soon.

No. 17997

>most of the lesbians really obsessed with the gold star discourse are the cringe baby gay radfems aged 16 to 23
So this thread is just comphets calling lesbians who disagree with them virgins. There's no way to escape the accusation of "obsession" and seething, because having an opinion comphets don't agree with is enough. Cool. Enjoy your circlejerk.

No. 17998

>>17996
Seething this hard over a lesbian saying lesbians don't need to sleep with men. Please film your live reaction to reading a sespursongles post.

No. 17999

>>17996
It's so funny to me how it's a borderline trope that some gay men are so self-hating that they'll become vocal Christian Republicans, have an unhappy marriage with a woman that they can only fuck while piss drunk/in the dark, but the moment he's caught blowing men in private people are willing to admit he's an obvious closet case. But lesbians are supposed to be born with a radical feminist conciousness from day one.

No. 18000

>>17997
Nonnie, being a completely kissless dateless virgin and calling yourself a "gold star" is like being 12 and calling yourself "asexual". It is what it is.

No. 18001

I'm tired of ppl going !!! homophobe !!!! on different board even in lesbian thread when we talk shit about gay moid.
Anon saying whore more time than an incel is absolute cringe but as truth in it.
Idgaf about women using the word faggot, when I see irl and on the internet gay moids using female specific insult, adjectives, words and pronouns to jokingly talk about each others and in the same breath not helping theit faghags when they face female specific issues. As long as gay moids appropriate and objectify the female experience we can use their gay moids specifics insults how we want.
Also since the nambla got let in in lgbt movements without gay SSA moid saying a thing I despise them as much as any men. Their fetishisation of straight moid lead to them spreading STD to men on the downlow and fucking up tons of bi and straight women. I could go on and on but as a lesbian 2 thing I can't take is them asking us ( and even faghags ) to carry baby for them like it would be an equal exange for them jerking it in a cup so we could build build 2 whole human infant which they could keep 1 of. Second is them being head of LGBT culture and so promoting an edonistic unsustainable lifestyle typical of male that drag down lgbt cultur

No. 18002

>>18000
Tell us more about how lesbians fuck men lol

No. 18003

>>17995
>I've been asked about it before, and I see no point in sharing the gritty details of literal assault I went through to decide if I'm not some interloping bihet.
Basically. My sexual experiences are only with women and I have never slept with a man but was assaulted by one, and even mentioning my trauma seems to be setting off "bihet" alarms in those goldstar obsessed peoples' heads. It's beyond mentally ill. They tend to be the chronically online activist type though, never in real life have other lesbians been this obsessed with the term and are understanding of how finding your identity isn't a cakewalk for most people, but they can also laugh at all the LUGs and larping late bloomers. The black and white thinking is what really grinds my gears and makes me feel like I'm the only adult in the room.

>>18001
And this is why creating a lesbian thread in 2X was a bad idea.

No. 18004

>>18002
???
>>18003
waaaawaa, it's funny to make fun of other women fucking us over but when it's on our precious nigel/son/gay best friend it's not ok !!!
I have compassion with gay men who can say upfront gay men sex culture is harmful, and much prefer them over OSA moids.
call me an evil conservative homophobe tradfem whatever but as someone who work in an industry with many gay men (beauty industry) it's something we talk about irl with both SSA and OSA women, libfem or non feminist, old or young.

No. 18005

This website is full of the most retarded brats I've ever seen it's so obvious none of you are butch or older than 25 or have faced pussy.

No. 18006

>>18005
Truth.

No. 18007

>>18005
jkillem ticks all of those boxes

No. 18021

Time and era argument is invalid when our foresisters anne lister, radclyffe hall, chavela vargas, charity bryant and many more unrecorded women lived and died before us

No. 18045

>>17893
I'm not a black woman nor American but how is the mentality espoused in this video not seen as inherently racist as fuck?
>Calling black women creators of life
>strong black woman
>Equating black women to dark chocolate like a fetishizing moid
>hair that can go through changes therefore black women can "become a different woman overnight"
>God is a strong ass black woman
>black women have good taste in music, style, food
>Equating black and whatever "POC" women is (in racist othering Americans opinions) to "spices" whereas white women are flavorless

Is racial stereotyping, exoticism and fetishism what people consider grounds for attraction? What kind of 1000IQ Zoomer racism even is this video? where you are so racist and constantly obsessing over a persons race that you take a 180 degree turn obsessing over them and turn to exoticism and fetishism. Not only is this espousing pathetic white guilt but it is genuinely racist to "POC" people because the woman in this video is treating them as inhuman as if they're so unapproachably special and exceptional that they aren't like white women lel. I didn't know black women were stereotyped as aggressive but now I'm aware of this racist stereotyping by a strange fetishizing source of white guilt reminding me that all sides hate black women. Assuming all black women and "POC" have gone through some sort of struggle is also strange racial stereotyping. POC itself is a term that is designed to other and amalgamate identities of the "good"
accepted whites and the "other" people too. Its absurd, just call people by what culture they are.

>>18005
>it's so obvious none of you are butch or older than 25 or have faced pussy.
I didn't realize being a SSA woman operated on RPG mechanics where the final level is butch lesbian.

No. 18060

>>18045
>I didn't realize being a SSA woman operated on RPG mechanics where the final level is butch lesbian.
>It's so funny to me how it's a borderline trope that some gay men are so self-hating […] have an unhappy marriage with a woman that they can only fuck while piss drunk/in the dark, but the moment he's caught blowing men in private people are willing to admit he's an obvious closet case. But lesbians are supposed to be born with a radical feminist conciousness from day one.
>being a lesbian means being born with a radical feminist consciousness
a lot of anons itt seem to think being a lesbian doesn't mean a female born exclusively sexually/romantically attracted to other females and not to males which can be physically felt in the body. being lesbian is akshually a radfem rpg you level up to reaching the highest consciousness of through fucking men

No. 18061

the two anons throwing around their trauma like it's a gotcha against goldstars (because nobody wants to be the one arguing with a woman talking about her trauma and you know that) and using it as way to blame them for "making" you feel uncomfortable whenever they talk about lesbianism in terms of exclusive same sex attraction (instead of as a radical feminist achievement).. as if most women do not suffer from trauma including goldstars. so manipulative, so creepy

No. 18072

>>18061
Sorry but who in this thread framed their willing involvement with men as trauma? The anon that brought up trauma re: gold star was literally fucking RAPED. Oh right, you don't fucking read anything.

No. 18082

>>18072
that is exactly what i just said and was talking about kek

No. 18120

Do you guys believe you can be a lesbian and have a husbando or enjoy yaoi with intimate scenes as your only media?

No. 18124

>>18120
You're probably going to get more rabid responses for this, but IMO not really. I'm in the "fiction isn't reality" camp (in the sense I don't think liking "problematic" shipping means you approve of it IRL, etc.), but I have a hard time seeing sexual interest in 2D dick as lesbian even if it's not real. Most women I know like husbandos because real men suck and use 2D as a proxy because it's not like you can turn off your sexuality. But I have friends who genderbend or make a female OC version male characters and hornypost about them as women, and I don't see an issue with that, it's the rational response to how most female characters in media kinda suck.

When it comes to enjoying yaoi with sex scenes, I guess it depends on if she's getting off to it or imagining herself having sex with the guys or something. I like homosexual shipping in general, but I skip past sex scenes in fics or not look at explicit fanart because it doesn't turn me on.

No. 18139

>>18120
I think some people can probably pretend the dudes are masc women if the art style is androgynous but if we're talking straight up dicks out having sex etc I really don't think you're a lesbian if you're looking at that stuff to get off. As the other anon said, you can't turn sexuality off and compartmentalize to that level imo. If irl men "didn't suck" these yaoi enjoyers would 100% date them.

No. 18151

>>18120
Many lesbian and SSA women watch gay porn, I don't think it matters unless it's exclusive and there's "imagining" being done, which is cringe. Most if not all media is men raping women and most het older women write about women being raped in their trauma porn scenarios so I understand the desire for escapism of same sex fiction. Same sex lesbian fiction is even more rare, commodified, and often porny because of moids so the popularity of gay male fiction in lesbians doesn't surprise me. Lesbian porn is nearly always male interpretation unlike yaoi which is solely a female interpretation. An interest in gay male fiction to the exclusion of gay women can be indicative of bisexuality in my opinion but what is done in real life can be seperated from fiction with women, unlike males.

No. 18153

>>18120
No. The only exception is when the woman likes the character when genderbent into a waifu. I see a lot of repressed bi women who have husbandos, call themselves lesbians, and then attack lesbians for being confused about those two statements.

>>18151
>Many lesbian women watch gay porn
What the fuck are you talking about. No they don't lmfao, as if clothed scrotes IRL aren't repulsive enough. Are you a fauxbian?

No. 18162

>>18153
I'm just going off what I've heard from other lesbians. A lack of attraction isn't disgust it's just that; a lack of attraction. Creating parasocial relationships is childish, I don't agree with it but it's escapism. When the vast majority of lesbian material is aimed at males escapism has to come from somewhere.

No. 18171

>>18162
A lesbian can't enjoy erotica media featuring two men, this is like saying straight men can enjoy gay porn.

No. 18175

>>18171
Straight men can't not get off from anything. Straight men will be aroused by everything and anything there's no such thing as a straight man lol. Not a good comparison.

No. 18179

>>18151
>>18162
I mean, anyone can watch any kind of porn, but the obvious issues with porn aside, it's not healthy to. Watching too much porn dissociates you from your sexuality because it's raw stimulus without any rationality. It's a trope that porn users who start out vanilla will move onto a different genre just out of boredom, not because they're actually into certain kinks/gay sex/etc. So theoretically anyone can be brainwashed by porn and fall into rabbit holes of watching things they aren't interested in doing personally, so I really don't think "many lesbians watch gay porn" is a good point at all. Like okay, I've talked to straight women who watch lesbian porn but I don't think that's healthy or normal either. That's just pornsickness or some kind of self-hatred in the case of watching material involving males.

No. 18181

>>18179
You're very attached to identities and escapism doesn't mean porn. Anon mentioned waifu/husband parasocial relationships which clearly is in either SSA or OSA camps of behavior.

Calling "straight" males who watch gay porn as "only aroused by the stimuli" is an absolute pivot, it's gay moid cope Libfem logic to think porn "brings out the sexuality in someone", whatever that means. A trope as defined by depraved coomers only helps to prove my point that all males are eternally gay. It baffles me you'd defend the overt fagginess of moids copes. And escapism doesn't equate to porn, who in their right mind here wants to defend porn? Escapism equates to anything other than being smashed into one singular identity of either straight or gay which many want to preserve out of fear of subjugation as SSA women and in order to uphold male supremacy in OSA women. Yaoi is made by women for women primarily, and in the case of women OSA or SSA any media that does not see women as humiliated and degraded through a fetishistic male lens that sees them as subhuman is escapism. I'm not here to defend porn as a medium I don't even want to talk about it, I don't care if some gay moid "became" gay from gay porn that's hillarious if it were true, but it's as retarded as arguing males "become" pedofiles from pedo porn and rapists "become" rapists from rape porn.

No, they were already all those things, porn doesn't magically transform anyone into anything and neither does escapism.

No. 18182

>>18181
AYRT, I think you're misreading my point. I'm not one of the anons arguing about it being escapism or just fiction, I'm arguing against one of her points. Can anyone on this board read? The issue is that porn is inherently dissociative and is not remotely the same as healthy sexuality or having sex, in the same way fast food isn't healthy food. I am arguing it's bad in general to watch any kind of porn, and pornsickness is a specific warping behavior and it's weird for the anon I'm responding to use that as an argument. Reread my post and read the posts I'm responding to.

No. 18188

>>18120
For yaoi at least, yes, and it's commonly known in East Asian fujo spheres that lesbians are often into BL. Yaoi is written by women for women, it's a purely female fantasy that is easy to filter through a lesbian gaze. But irl gay porn would be odd to me, the degree of separation between reality and fiction is much harder to maintain that way. I know a few husbandofag lesbians (and the Randy Marsh shrine girl is a lesbian iirc),but they often genderbend them and/or don't have a sexual component.

No. 18216

Maybe after we've solved the mystery of "can lesbians enjoy gay moid pornography" we can move on to working out what 2 + 2 is?

No. 18217

>>18216
I love your optimism

No. 18221

Okay so I'm straight so I dunno if its okay to ask here, but why do bi women tolerate and even fuel dogshit men so badly, even more than most straight women. Like behind every publicly pornsick degenerate male is a bi woman who gas him up and is not like those other girls and loves being treated like a sex toy? I dont get it, wouldn't being able to not chose to date men mean they would pick better men instead of the worst types of men? Like het women date shit men too, but they are ususally embarrassed by it, while bi women act all proud of it?

No. 18222

>>18221
Bi women feel like they're the same as het women therefore "boring" so they try their hardest to try to be nlog. That's why you see them acting in embarrassing ways, they're trying to be subversive like the "privileged for not straight passing" homosexuals.

No. 18225

>>18221
I think bi women have a weird complex where they know they're not the same as straight women/straight people, so they go far in the opposite direction (libfem, "queer", TRA side) to spite the straights. In a way they're similar to some trans people who try to make themselves as weird as possible because they think it makes them cool and "progressive."

No. 18226

>>18162
have you considered that those "other lesbians" may be repressed bis who are obsessed with males and yell how '2d =/= 3d' and 'they're just lines' when anyone doesn't immediately pat their asses about it? do they imply that lesbianism is "restricting" or "has too many rules"? because that's not lesbian. it doesn't compute when that crowd claims its just so much easier to have a husbando - it's literally just the febfem version of the 'i'm attracted to all women and 2 guys but i still only date men' cope
>A lack of attraction isn't disgust it's just that; a lack of attraction.
in the context of lesbians supposedly watching gay porn, you might as well just say 'oh i don't dislike eating shit, im just not a fan of it'

No. 18228

>>18226
>may be repressed bis
Yes, and I said that earlier in a comment. If you are creating whole ass parasocial relationships with male/females of course that's reflective of sexual orientation. However this is my opinion and sexuality is flexible.

>because that's not lesbian

People here are making rules about "lesbianism" whatever that means including the random het anon shitting on bi's for being male approving when really what they're shitting on is performative male identified behavior. I don't see a purpose of upholding a rigid system of het or homo, both are one side of the same coin, this only helps rape ape males. I don't understand, do these women who identify as straight want to be broodmares?

>in the context of lesbians supposedly watching gay porn, you might as well just say 'oh i don't dislike eating shit, im just not a fan of it'

Misognistic fag moids will call women disgusting dehumanizing shit about female bodies. This isn't sexuality, if you aren't attracted to things you ignore them, not cope over their existence and reiterate how "disgusting" it is. This is misogyny being filtered through a camp gay perspective.

No. 18229

>>18228
if you enjoy seeing males in a sexual context you're at least bi, sorry if that rewokes your true and honest lesbian card

No. 18231

>>18228
>sexuality is flexible
>I don't see a purpose of upholding a rigid system of het or homo
>rape ape
>do these women who identify as straight want to be broodmares?
blackpilled polilez spotted, get out of the lesbian vent thread
>if you aren't attracted to things you ignore them
so true, which is why lesbians dont watch gay porn or have husbandos

No. 18235

>>18120
As your only media unless you live in a place or don't speak languages who give you access to interesting media made by female or your social group is fujoshi only it's a bit weird, as someone who loathe mainstream lesbian medias. Never been a fujoshi so I never liked the explicit sex scenes but I kinda differenciate with the strange ethereal censored sex scene you see in some .

I can enjoy the whole courting process in fiction ( unless it's the male who is dominant over a female ) and when it get too explicit it loose it's appeal. But irl seeing straight or gay males couple doing more than hand holding, hugging or quick kiss repulse me.

No. 18236

>>18231
>Get out of the thread wah
Lolno, why are you still gatekeeping being SSA, It's absurd.

>so true, which is why lesbians dont watch gay porn or have husbandos

Yet here we are where a proportion of SSA women are given no mediums at all to project their sexuality and attraction of other women on that aren't saturated for the purpose of male fetishes and not representative of lesbian sex or what women find arousing. Unfortunately you don't speak for every woman ever. First this started at moving the goal post to claim males aren't Uber gay for watching depraved and gay shit because they're uber straight and "it's the porns fault if they're gay and now". Strangely it's the opposite for women, that women are absolutely straight for engaging in media that is written for and by women. Both arguments confirming sexuality is flexible and not rigidly defined. Instead of nitpicking language use repeteadly and showing your willingness to assign heteronormative labels to people and things, have a counter argument. I could elaborate on how heteronormative shit only reinforces male supremacy, degrades women, reinforces the mentality that they are nothing but broodmares and seeks to separate, alienate and other homosexual activity but it seems like you'd rather be married to this idea of rigid side picking.

>>18229
Probably, though I don't speak for all lesbians and SSA women.(infighting)

No. 18246

>>18231
Why are you complaining about men being called rapeapes who treat women like broodmares

No. 18248

Raging over cartoon dick but saying earlier on in the thread some lesbians need to experiment with real life dick to know

No. 18249

I noticed this with multiple bi girls I know :
they date, fall in love and plan a family or long term relationship with males but they see other women only as sexual partners or fwb. One of them who I heard talking on the phone during break time about how she cheated on her bf with a woman and he got angry but later forgive her. When some time later she asked me to hangout alone with her I was like HELL NO. I legit got fight or flight from how she talked about her one nightstand on the phone.

No. 18250

>>18231
Never reply to blackpill/polilezz. They'll infight with you for an eternity. Just ignore them so they'll feel unwelcomed as they should as all of them are bitter straight women.

No. 18251

>>18120
If the husbando doesn't have a dick and they're pretending it's a butch lesbian which is passable with soft drawing styles, same with yaoi if they're pretending it's a butch lesbian couple but butches still have titties and vaginas so wouldn't you be missing that? And I bet they show the dicks in the yaoi scenes

>>18151
Lesbians don't watch gay porn kek everyone in this thread is fucking bonkers whether it's the polilez comphets or the sexuality is fluid tards

No. 18254

>>18251
Anon the anon you're replying to who's saying lesbians enjoy homosexual male porn admitted to being bi but I think it's just a straight woman who came here to attack lesbians. Just ignore it. See her(?) upperposts where she only fights with lesbians while claiming she's different than other straight women and putting straight women down.

No. 18255

>>18254
I still don't see how any of you think an anon saying lesbians can watch gay porn and campaigning for us to have yaoi husbandos is even polilez or blackpill in the first place, that doesn't fit the definitions whatsoever. Please stop spamming these buzzwords at anons because of beef you have with others. That anon is a standard comphet bisexual

No. 18256

>>18255
Please stop going into female spaces that are obviously not for you. You're not a lesbian and you've been infighting for several hours which means actual lesbian anons can't discuss their issues. There are several threads for you to post about your lust for men while also putting other women who lust for men down but this isn't one of those threads.

No. 18257

>>18256
No, I actually am genuinely not the retarded "can lesbians like cartoon dick" bait anon you're talking about and who you've been feeding for the past 30 posts by falling for it. I just disagreed with them here >>18251 but the point remains a couple anons keep spamming blackpill and polilez because of beef with different anons and it's retarded

No. 18258

>>18257
I only made like three posts in this thread. Using misogynistic terminology in 2X hasn't been a thing before blackpillers came so it's no shock that a few anons assumed that misogynistic nonlesbian who only posted to infight was a blackpiller.

No. 18259

>>18249
This is why I recommend lesbians date other lesbians. I know it's hard to find each other in this day and age, but I've dated multiple bi women and they've all treated me like a cheap fuck. Hitting me with that "well I think I can only commit to men" and "but I want a family!" it's infuriating. Before anyone busts in here sperging that it's not all bi women: I know that. But it's a helluva lot of them, and lesbians have the right to be cautious.

No. 18260

>>18258
Do you mean when they said they don't want to be a broodmare for a rapeape? Report and ignore language about straight women that offends you. Just keep your obsessive drama out of your responses to people and subjects that clearly have nothing to do with it, it's really annoying to have to pagecatch a thread full of cliquey accusations against literal anonymous people you think are someone else, when their posts in this thread legitimately contradict your accusations about being blackpilled or polilez (but they are still extremely stupid posts). All it leads to is this >>18256 type of "you must be them too" infighting, it's so boring

No. 18261

>>18254
Could you tag the posts? So I don't have to scroll up

No. 18262

>>18250
They're just like those right wing moids who beg to debate you. In fact they're actually pretty likely to date.

>>18259
NTA and agreed on les4les, I will never ever let an OSA woman into my life. I don't really care if they're febfem, I prefer someone who actually shares crucial struggles with me and is thus able to be sensitive. It's similar to certain demographics choosing to date within their cultures when they go to melting pot locations, some of us don't want to explain ourselves and swim upstream constantly. Also tbh OSA is legitimately disgusting to me, it's on part with an extreme fetish in terms of how much it turns me off to know she's turned on my male bodies.

No. 18263

>>18260
I'm not offended by the language, I'm offended by a straight woman coming here, writing about the porn she watches while fighting with everyone else but it's useless to argue with you so…

No. 18264

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mfw every time i enter lolcow lesbian threads or honestly any lesbian online space filled with you mentally ill bickering assholes

No. 18266

LMAO at the contradicting sentence at whatever retard made this thread.

The beginning sentence says "lesbian only" but then it mentions "polilez" who are literally straight women.
Looking at the posts its obvious this is a thread for mentally ill poilez straight women to shit on bi woman. Projecting straight women who are angry at themselves for being attracted to men or sucking cock and taking out that anger out on bi women.

Actual lesbians hate you homophobic bitches because you say the most nasty and homophobic stuff about lesbians too. Keep on peddling that conservative "sexuality is a choice so I a straight woman make a better lesbian than those yucky lesbos who did nothing for feminism, now I'm going to go on long rants about other women and call that activism, i hate bihet sluts".

No. 18267

>>18266
I'm just ESL and put a comma instead of a colon, nice projecting.

No. 18268

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No. 18269

>>18267
>>18268
No lesbian would feel comfortable staying in a thread with people cosplaying their sexuality, hence it makes sense alot of the anons here speak and act like polilezs hence the common obssesion that polilez women have with bi women.

We've seen how many of you polilezs look like and my only sugesstion it to hit the gym and take a shower.

No. 18270

>>18269
It's a spectator sport. I'm fully aware this thread is full of retards (you), but I'm not typing up essays about it or posting about how I'm totes superior because here I am, occasionally checking this thread for shits and giggles.

No. 18271

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https://thesunkenawayworld.wordpress.com/2023/03/19/comphet-is-a-myth-and-other-hypocricies-why-radical-feminism-got-no-gold-stars%e2%98%86/

this was so peaking, especially as radfem writters acting like libfem, picrel is so funny I lol'ed.

No. 18272

>>18271
meant "especially the radfem writters acting (…)", my english suck

No. 18273

>>18271
Damn, this was a really good post. It put into words so many of my issues with bisexuals and radfems. Though I don't identify as a black pill lesbian (I'm hesitant to use political labels) I certainly do sympathise with them. I got involved with radical feminism both online and off about five years back and thought "awesome! let's help some women!" and what I mostly got was drama and bigotry. Volunteering became like going to school again, with the cliques and the bullying. But shit, at least those radfems were doing something to help. The online ones didn't lift a finger. "oh I don't have the time to volunteer" they say while being terminally online. "oh I don't have any money to donate" they say while posting their take-out dinner and new clothes. Just fucking say you don't want to help then! Stop wasting my time by asking about charities and waffling on about your "online praxis". I'd have a lot more respect for those "radfems" if they just admitted that they're there to dunk on troons and have a laugh. That I can relate to, kek. I had to stop volunteering lately due to family obligations, and I now just donate financially instead. Life is certainly a lot less stressful, but I still miss it, despite the shit I caught for being a butch lesbian. I'm now casting a smaller net and simply trying to be there for the women in my life and do everything in my power to help them. Especially my wife and my younger sisters, they're my north star.

No. 18274

>>18269
Yet here you are in the thread, being offended because you're bi pretending to be a lesbian.

No. 18275

Bisexuals treat lesbians like shit, lesbians make a space to talk about it and other things amongst themselves, bisexual obsessed with lesbians invades the space to vomit all over the lesbians with buzzwords so they can pretend no lesbian would ever have a problem with bisexuals and they're totes besties, so it's definitely just homophobic straight women (which bisexuals essentially are). Nobody was even talking about bis. And you wonder why lesbians come to watch? It's fucking funny.

No. 18276

>Lesbian only vent thread, for lesbians to vent about febfems, polilez, horrendous experience with bi women… Let it all out !
Just adding clarity for the absolute moron.

No. 18277

>>18271
tbh I don't identify as black pill lesbian either, I see myself as "white pill" meaning I only see new possibilities, as you wisely say it's better to cast a small net. I would say what is more important for lesbian ( and women even in general ) is to find your groove and footing, have some clear goals and watch for the laws changew then know what you can do on your level. AND limit your non lesbian friend from emotionaly dumping about their moids to you

No. 18279

>>18277
White pill makes much more sense to me. I also agree about limiting OSA women emotionally dumping on you. There's only so many times you can sugar coat "all men are bastards, and yes, this includes your Nigel" before you go insane. I never liked the term "emotional labour" as it's very guilt trippy but, well… it does suit a lot of my previous "friendships" with bi and straight women. My favourite quote from one of them when I mentioned a relationship problem of mine was "I don't know how it works between two women!" my sister in Christ, you ARE a woman.

No. 18280

>>18266
Ok bihet

No. 18297

>>18277
You have a better outlook, imo most blackpillers are either polilez or plain straight women since they feel they have to have relationships with men. The blackpiller itt also said she got turned on from gay porn, further proving it was just a straight woman who came to this thread because she thought she could freely attack other straight women here.

No. 18302

>>18297
That was not a blackpill, or even a polilez, no matter how many times you try to twist their definitions so as to continue your schizo vendetta of accusing everyone and anyone of being one anon from the blackpill thread who has triggered you into hyperfixating on blackpill and seeing it where it isn't.

No. 18310

>>17950
>do gay men fuck women en masse to figure out their identity and what attracts them?
I ain't part of whatever fight went on but yes they unironically do (George Michael is one famous example). A lot of times they'll even marry women and have kids with her then come out as gay 20 years later.

No. 18312

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i don’t know why but bi girls love spreading “no one is really fully homosexual” rhetoric, all of my osa“friends” have said something along the lines of “no one is really born gay”. it’s irritating. osa women see us as women who fake being lesbian for male attention and it’s all just a phase. they’re so stubborn about it too, they always project their expierences onto us. the only lesbians i’m truly comfortable around are goldstar lesbians for that reason. i dont wanna get told “are you sure it’s not just a phase?” in the progressive way again.

No. 18313

>>18310
>A lot of times they'll even marry women and have kids with her then come out as gay 20 years later.
Sounds bi. The irony of double standards here is bizarre it's as if you have to pass a high vault just to prove SSA as a woman but gay men are always untouchable and unquestionably gay. Why is same sex attraction considered more genuine with males than females? Neither male or female need to fuck the opposite sex to figure out their sexuality. I don't understand how rigid sexual orientation rules help at all. Describing Comphet only solidifies this in my opinion, and polilez is a pointless term that only exists to make an out group of SSA women, which again doesn't seem to exist in gay men as it's a double standard.

>>18297
Not a straight women, never said that ever, I didn't realise that thinking sexual orientation is not exclusively innate is somehow blackpill. Eitherway I can't imagine sleeping with a male ever, never have and never will. The whole thing started when an anon complained of Gold Stars being too purist but later threw a no true Scotsman about how lesbians and how SSA women can't like media made for women because it's not "lesbian enough". The entire thread has been a series of infighting, of women all accusing each other of not being "gay enough" so it's bizarre only I got red texted. I suppose the pettiness of my response was the reason but I've seen just as petty across the thread if not the whole site.

I would think being lesbian would mean exclusively focusing on relationships with women and thats it, but you also must meet apparent requirements to be certified lesbian. I can understand feeling betrayed by women who regularly do sleep with males and use other women but that's no excuse to throw every SSA woman under the bus.

>The blackpiller itt also said she got turned on from gay porn

No, I didn't. I said some lesbians watch homoerotic male media made by women, for women. I don't understand the purpose of using blackpill as a pejorative, this is on the 2X board and there is always bound to be considerable crossover of opinion with SSA and lesbian women.

>>18312
As opposed to the natural order of Comphet? There is no definitive evidence that sexual orientation is natural or environmental but the most hetero enforcing aligned view would lean towards the natural argument to justify subjugating women and othering gay people. I also see merit in goldstars but I see no meaningful counter argument against Comphet theory, it seems to reflect reality the most accurately. The flip side of "no one is truly homosexual Is no one is truly het" either. Just complaining about it and calling everyone who does bi isn't much of an argument. What are the opinions of comphet here?

No. 18319

>>18313
i’m not calling people who say lesbians aren’t born gay- bi as an argument, i’m saying they usually ARE bisexual like that is literally what they identify with. it’s not an “argument” it’s fact. bi women and men tend to be the ones saying that, and it’s frustrating as a lesbian lol

however my opinion on comphet is that i think it’s been misinterpreted a lot and that it’s really just the feeling that as a woman, you NEED to marry or date a male. comphet doesn’t just make you attracted to men.

bisexuals can expierence comphet and so can straight women

like there’s neurological evidence proving that lesbians can’t be attracted to men, “comphet” or not.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1570103/

No. 18320

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>>17696

it’s how they all are, they whine all day about “evil lesbos”. i remember seeing a tweet by a lesbian asking why so many bi girls leave lesbians for men. and all of the responses were “maybe my nigel is better than the lesbian i broke up with”. they obviously know that’s not the reason but they hate having their “gayness” taken from them because they think it’s the only thing that makes them special

No. 18323

>>18313
Don't reply to this anon, they've derailed several threads and she's not a lesbian, she admitted to being bi here >>18236

No. 18346

>>18320
God, I know lesbians who have been burned time and time again trying to date bisexual women and still aren't half as fucked up about them as they are about us. I myself have been cheated on a "gray asexual" bi woman who was mysteriously not so asexual the second dick was involved. In fact, it happened to me twice with two different bi women! Why are we expected to extend empathy and grace to people who clearly have no interest in reciprocating that? It's always, "those mean dykes, I mean lesbians, better shut up about bi women mistreating them or else they're biphobic" and never "it's cruel to pursue relationships with lesbians and then make them feel lesser than men and ultimately leave them for men because you treat lesbians like experimental toys to discard." I'm so sick of lesbians having to be everyone's unconditionally compassionate and self sacrificing mommy to validate the same people who throw us under the bus every chance they get, or else we are the bad guys.

No. 18349

The only comphet I had as a goldstar, never been in a relationship with man, was the feeling I had to be with a moid for safety, only way to have a kid and offer it the best life possible. I remember trying to befriend them to see which one I could have similarity with, but they are too different in their thinking, and their body unattractive… I could feel something like women who think they were bi were feeling theaten or facinated by some women but no actual attraction. They are like zoo animal to me now, fun to hang around when I want to but I don't have to have them in my close circle

on the bi discussion I already have a lot of difficulty to find women who I like the personality of, but idk why them being other sex attracted repulse me, it's like some anon say before they have a strange fetish. I tried to write hetero R rated fiction for friend and it felt like I was drawing a furry comission or something.

No. 18352

>>18346
>I'm so sick of lesbians having to be everyone's unconditionally compassionate and self sacrificing mommy to validate the same people who throw us under the bus every chance they get, or else we are the bad guys.
Hit the nail on the head for me, nona. If lesbians aren't viewed as gross, predatory, broken women or fantasy fodder for moids then we're being treated like doormats. Gay men have been using lesbians as free therapists since we played nursemaid to them during the AIDS crisis. Straight and bi men will befriend GNC lesbians as "one of the boys" if you have more traditionally masculine hobbies like sports, video games, etc. But you're never given as much respect as their male friends and the second your guard is down they ask you invasive sexual questions; or worse, tell you that you need the right dick that just so happens to be dangling between their unwashed legs. Straight libfems use us for clout: "I'm so accepting of LGBTs! I say hello to this one dy- I mean, gay lady, at my work! I even sit next to her sometimes because #NotAllLesbos are predators" and bi women will fuck up our whole lives for regular sex that actually makes them come. "Yes babe, I'm so in love with you!" while you're treated as a dirty little secret that she does her best to hide. Nigel on the other hand? All over her socials and already met her friends and parents. I'm so glad my wife is a lesbian and the majority of our closest friends are lesbians. Cultivating that social circle has done wonders for my mental health. I was actually diagnosed with "dysphoria" a few years back, but funnily enough those thoughts don't haunt me when I surround myself with people who treat me like a human being.

No. 18361

I just saw a lesbian on radtwt retweet um I think it's called shota but I'm not sure, it was a drawing of two male children licking adult man penis and I'm deeply confused and need answers

No. 18363

Don't reply to bait.

No. 18365

>>18363
Are you talking about >>18361 ?
Cause it is serious and a serious question: what the fuck?

No. 18384

how many of you guys have even had sex with a woman be honest now

No. 18385

>>18384
Not a regular contributor, but I'm married. Quit projecting and using troon level "get some bitches on your dick" rebuttals.

No. 18389

>>18385
Nice reply. We had a tranny tell anons they should appreciate "hot trans women" so it wouldn't surprise me if this is the same tranny trying to get lesbians to talk about their sexual experiences.

No. 18391

>>18352
Ayrt and I was also diagnosed with dysphoria and prescribed testosterone (I never took it because I got cold feet). I even planned on a double masectomy for a few years. I've long had a sneaking suspicion that I wouldn't feel this way if I was exclusively surrounded by lesbians, but I haven't met anyone like me and it's obviously hard to talk to anyone about because the current "moment" doesn't allow for it. But your comment is making me even more convinced that lesbians who troon out are mostly just responding to overwhelming hatred of lesbians in society. Doubling down on my lesbian social circle dreams now, I'm so convinced it would make me 300% more sane.

No. 18399

>>18352
>I was actually diagnosed with "dysphoria" a few years back, but funnily enough those thoughts don't haunt me when I surround myself with people who treat me like a human being.
It's funny how my life-long dysphoria completely disappeared once I met the first lesbian friend I had in my life in my late 20's and she understood everything I talked to her about through her own experiences. Like over a relatively short period of time it was gone. Having social representations and someone who validates your experiences does wonders. I try not to poison myself too much with how much everyone hates lesbians since dwelling on hate doesn't help me heal, but straight people often do make it incredibly hard.

>>18391
Like mentioned above, all it took was just one lesbian friend for me, one who wasn't the kind of LChat lipstick lesbian who hates butches and thinks they're stinky faux men or a disguised bihet who totally thinks you're valid and brave but will feel uncomfortable when alone in a room with you or will drunkenly tell you she'd totally fuck you if you were a man.

No. 18425

>>18385
This, also I've had multiple bi women tell me my body count with women is higher than theirs and I've only slept with 4 women so…

No. 18433

>>18391
This is so sad anon, not only were you in a vulnerable state but the health officials choice to diagnose you with dysphoria and straight up try to get you to transition must've been dangerous.
I hope it gets better for you.

No. 18480

Is it even worth it to try to date bi who are not libfems ? Not like radfems but foreigners or clueless about politic white girls. I only was with libfem weebs

No. 18560

what makes this thread different from /lg/? all the posts are the same now

No. 18573

>>18560
This didn't have polilez posters at the start but they also found out about this thread so it's them infighting rn.

No. 18602

Why do polilez women pretend to be lesbians instead of just saying they're celibate or accepting they're straight?

No. 18613

>>18602
Because it gives them power, leverage and authority over women in the communities they are apart of. They could say whatever bizarre, false or misogynistic thing they want and if another woman calls the out then they can just call that woman "lesbophobic" to shut her up, silence her.
They don't want to look like straight women with internalized misogyny so they go the polilez route and hide all that misogyny behind being a "political lesbian".

No. 18615

>>18613
>if another woman calls the out then they can just call that woman "lesbophobic" to shut her up, silence her.
Nobody takes lesbophobia seriously. It isn't a superpower to say someone is lesbophobic that silences women. If it was, political lesbians wouldn't exist after how many years lesbians have been fighting them out of our community for being lesbophobic. The amount of times lesbians get accused of misogyny to shut them up, keep them in check for speaking against the OSA hivemind, is seriously common. Lesbians are portrayed as "misogynistic men lite" so often by OSA women.

Lesbianism doesn't give straight women power, leverage and authority, it doesn't even give lesbians those things. What sneaking in to lesbian spaces gives radical feminist straight women is a safe space away from the men who have traumatized them, and a sense of control over actual, SSA women; a badge to police how SSA women speak on our experiences with OSA women. Often their reasons for policing those convos are because we women need to stick together against the real enemy, men; the faux feminist concern works to shift the convos away from OSA, under the guise of the concern coming from a lesbian to add credibility.

No. 18616

>>18480
Bis aren't necessarily going to treat lesbians better just because the bis aren't white.

No. 18627

>>18616
This. They're still OSA, politics and culture will not change their attraction to men and how they view their bisexuality. I've met plenty of foreign bi women in my travels and they're just as annoying about how "everyone is a little bit bi!" and how they're soooo enlightened for liking peoples personalities, instead of genitals because lesbians are basically cavewomen to them. Straight men get away with liking pussy, though. They will always be the ideal catch, the prize to an OSA.

No. 19121

I’m irritated by how freely the word queer is used. It’s the gender ideology friendly placeholder for LGB I guess. ~Queer spaces~ this and that. Bleh.

No. 19140

>>19121
I will never not be insulted by being called a word that originally meant odd/weird/strange/etc. I did not fight my way through literal decades of both internalised and externalised homophobia, as well as internalised misogyny around being butch, only to let some dipshit call me a queer. Gay acceptance peaked at "born this way" and it's all been downhill since then. PoMo assholes are doing their hardest to disprove that we're born this way because that doesn't fit into their ~ sexually fluid ~ (gee, I wonder why only bisexuals talk about fluidity…) tranny loving dystopia. I now use the word "homosexual" as a kind of litmus test. Kweerios will balk at the word and tell you about it's problematic history (because queer, faggot, etc has a fine and dandy history ofc) and then treat you with suspicion. Normal people don't give a shit about the politics of the word, they understand what you're communicating to them.

No. 19188

>>19140

Sing it. Awesome!

No. 19379

>>19140
I noticed they use the word queer to erase homosexuality (especially lesbians).
Like there will be an explicitly lesbian woman and retards online will still call her "queer". They wanna erase us so bad.
Its crazy how Heterosexuals have infiltrated Homosexual communities and call us Faggots and "Queers" under the guise of le reclamation. I wish there was a way to kick them out of our community.

No. 19408

>>18627
it's why I'm adamantly les4les when it comes to dating. I especially love watching bi women seethe when lesbians insist on dating our own kind exclusively. Funnily enough most of my bi friends also have a preference for lesbians.

No. 19416

>>19408
Why would a woman seethe when another woman refuses to date her? Sounds like a fantasy to me, women don't get upset because of those stuff like men do.

No. 19423

>>19416
clearly you’ve never interacted with enough bi women online, they call it biphobia all the time, sounds all too familiar

No. 19424

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>be me
>listen to podcast interview of cool GC detransitioner
>host seems cool and mildly GC too so I put on her previous episodes
>mfw she has an episode dedicated to butch4butch
>mfw the entire episode is discourse about how it doesn't exist and calling yourself butch if you're not doing 50s butch/femme is cultural appropriation
>mfw the "there's nothing revolutionary or interesting about butch4butch so who cares" butch identified cohost says she's technically bisexual but politically a capital L Lesbian
>mfw she starts talking about how she was so attracted to her male advisor that she wrote an MFA thesis about his dick
>mfw they read a poem on the air about how she wants his tender cock to invade her like kudzu and circlejerk about how profound it is
Academia was a mistake. Reading was a mistake. Words were a mistake. Maybe it's good that I experienced the cock poem because I think it peaked me on discourse. I just want to live in a cave and eat butch pussy every day and never speak to anyone or listen to anyone or read anything ever again. Posting here because I don't want to shit up the main thread with political vents.

No. 19425

>>19416
I hate generalisations about women that are supposed to be feminist or whatever 'cause all you're doing is being immediately hostile, telling a woman she must be a liar because [women wouldn't do that]. Well, they do sometimes, we're not all one big sisterly monolith. I had a bi friend who did this to me, would bitch about lesbians all the time then wonder why they might not like bis but as soon as lesbians say anything about bis she flips the script to play the victim of biphobia. Online it's even worse, like I've seen bis bragging about pretending to be lesbians to convince lesbians to sleep with them because they know their reputation and laughing at being told that's false consent gained by deception.

No. 19437

>>19424
Kek nonna. I hope you can find a gf who feels the same as you one day!

No. 19456

>>19424
I fucking hate academia people. They are so far up their own ass it make you wanna scream.

No. 19478

>>19456
It broke something in my brain. Also I'm just now realizing the irony in someone with a masters (from the fucking US so how much money is that? Around a hundred thousand if you include the undergrad degree right??) in penis poetry taking this very hardline stance on what these words mean. Trad butch/femme was working class bar culture so if we're respecting the historical purity of the terms I only want to hear from butch truckers, thanks.

No. 19498

>>18399
oh, fuck, LChat. I haven't been there in years. What's it like now?

No. 19522

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like clockwork(trying to bring infight to another thread)

No. 19531

>>19522
Careful, nona. She'll come shit up this thread too if she realizes you're talking about her.

No. 19538

>>19522
>>19531
Can you explain what this means?

No. 19540

>>17820
>>17817
Should I go through it? I know it's pivotal in lesbian history but I want to see how awful it is for myself. Feinberg also normalized neopronouns.

No. 19545

>>19540
It's not the worst book in the world. Reading it as a standalone thing is fine, I'm glad I read it because it's a cool historical perspective. The problem is just when people hold up Feinburg as the patron saint of lesbianism and treat SBB as a Butch Bible.

If you do decide to read it heads up it's very sad. Constant rape, I had to put it down a lot and take breaks.

No. 19546

>>19538
There's a farmer in the radfem screenshots thread on this board who's been infighting for the last several days about whether or not calling out tifs for using female-centric websites is being a "misoginist" and cruel to mentally ill women. The screenshot above was the beginning of a long rant replying to everyone who disagreed with her.
I'm assuming this is here because it reads like she thinks bisexuality is stigmatized by both gays and straights, but it also looks like she's contradicting herself every other sentence so I'm not actually sure what she believes.(inciting)

No. 19556

>>19545
Thanks for the insight, I'll pick it up after I finish All About Love by Bell Hooks.
>>19121
I don't like how queer is used an as umbrella term when it was a slur. Some people are obviously not okay with it. I also find that people think bisexual is a dirty word, and lesbianism is even dirtier to them. They say being a lesbian means being a non-man attracted to non-men. I've never seen a definition like that for gay men. It's so lesbophobic and disgusting.

No. 19558

>>19546
>a farmer
just so you know, more than one person thinks that pic is fucking retarded

No. 19589

>>19558
That's all well and good, but let's not drag this fight to this thread, too. I didn't mean to incite anything.

No. 19842

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“internalised monosexism” made me kek how do you people expect to be taken even remotely seriously when you constantly think exclusively same sex attracted individuals are the Big Bad you should be fighting - lesbians especially, so retarded. why don’t ACTUAL homophobes piss them off this much??? we aren’t the same and we never will be i feel no community with these people.

No. 19898

I hate how the currently pushed way of complimenting women as a women is to glorify them as a BDSM top. No I don't want her to step on me or call her daddy. We are so heteropilled I hate that even between two women we have to act as a "bottom" ( aka women for hetero relationship ) to not humiliate another women when we want to compliment them.

No. 19955

>>19898
As a butch nothing dries my pussy faster than that "step on me mommy/daddy/zaddy(idk what that is either)" shit. What was so refreshing when my wife and I were in our courting stage is that there was no forced het dynamics between us. It's not that I hate topping or being the one to make a move; but when you're assigned that role and expected to do those things all the time, it's such a drag. In hindsight, I should've clocked it as a red flag. It would've saved me from a lot of "omg ew you're being womanly" moments because heaven fucking forbid you show emotional complexity and not be a cardboard cut-out of a moid. Sorry for the mini-rant but this shit used to be the bane of my dating life.

No. 20086

It’s so annoying how “bisexual” women who exclusively date men and have no desire to be with another woman scream about how disgusting men are and how they are barely even attracted to them and yet somehow all of their partners happen to be men? If you think men are that disgusting why don’t you just find a woman and not date men at all? most of them somehow always end up dating men and seethe when a lesbian doesn’t want to date them. these same bisexual women will constantly say shit like “I love boobs so much” just straight up sexualising women and yet they would never enter a romantic relationship with another woman. like jesus christ women are more than just a pair of tits. I genuinely believe that most women who are apparently bisexual aren’t bisexual at all. I feel like pornography can be blamed for how even women sexualise other women and view them as sexual objects, which does not make them bisexual. it’s fucking laughable how these women will reduce women down to their bodies and yet lesbians are supposedly the predatory ones.

No. 20105

>>20086
Straight and bi women can complain about men, kek. Let them be, incel. They're disgusted by most ugly men and date the ones they find attractive, I doubt bi or lesbian women find majority of women attractive either, I personally don't.

No. 20111

>>20105
NTA but lesbians aren't incels for disliking how bisexual women who date men treat them, all the while complaining about these men just to put up with it for sex. Why can they complain about their dating pool but lesbians can't? For the love of feminism please stop watering down the word incel by using it as a buzzword and easy insult at lesbians like a tick. You're not slick implying lesbians are seething at these women just for having sex. As if lesbians are like jealous men for complaining about retarded behaviour being unattractive, please.

>>20086
Bis on the whole honestly act like the men they date.

No. 20114

Why are all the lesbian girls my age so political? I’m a zoomer born in 2001 and all the girls my age are just…unable to talk about their love of women without turning it into politics. You can always tell too, they either go “I love all women, trannies are women too and if you won’t suck girldick you’re evil” or “I only date women cause men are the worst and are rape apes so the only safe option is lesbianism” or my least favorite “I’m a he/they/it lesbian and I’m so proud, look up how many used to exist I’m so valid” I just wanna date a girl without her bringing up politics or identity for one minute. Occasional talk is fine but it’s literally all the time

No. 20119

>>20114
I'm in my late 20s and I think in general "LGBT spaces" have become way more political over the last 10 years. Back then I wouldn't expect to see queer used as a catch-all term but now it's everywhere. It also seems like there's been a big increase in people saying they're poly and larping as commies kek

No. 20147

>>20086
those type of bisexual act like boomer dads hating their wife and maybe fucking some gay sissy behing her back. I know so much who cry, have months ruined by bad relationships with moids, but only have one timer with women like they are "pump and dump". Grow a spine and make decisions for christ sake, there is much less husband material men than there is reliable women and they know it.

No. 20230

>>20114
It seems like every lesbian nowadays is a commie with a worldview shaped entirely by Twitter and TikTok trends. I honestly doubt the sexuality of some of them, if they're this prone to social contagion it's likely the lesbian identity is also not genuine.

No. 20270

I've become increasingly doomer lately.

I grew up in a conservative state with very religious parents and was told how bad homosexuality was my entire life, to now seeing every "lesbian" space online and offline flooded with males and bishits. Homosexuality is being demonized all over again but by the left this time. I feel so isolated but still refuse to date a bishit. I'll be 30 next year and am unsure of what my chances are anymore. How the fuck do I get out of this doomer mindset?

No. 20275

>>20270
touch grass, you've been online so long you write like a moid. 30 isn't fucking decrepit. Reconnect with the actual, physical world… it's where the women who don't give a shit about bisexual idpol nonsense live.

No. 20277

>>20275
Your fucking knee jerk rage at the number 30 made you blind to the rest of my post.

It's only a concern for me because my lesbian friends, who are my age, are all married. The "gay bars" near me are full of bisexuals and I'm not touching sperm residue or setting myself up to get cheated on. I'm wondering if I just need to move, or if it's like this everywhere.

No. 20298

>>20275
Nonna grow some pussy and some manners towards women who are not in the troon cult. She has concerns you don't need to kick down like that.
>>20270
Please have hope, sis. I found my lesbian gf through mutual online friends when I was 32 and she was my first time as well. Believe that once you turn 30 and over, your chances just alter alongside you. There are older lesbians in their 30s/40s and older who are not married who are open or looking for relationship (understandably the older one gets, like 50s, even 30 will seem too young), and there also will be many lesbians like you entering the 30+ age as we all keep aging at the same pace. But yeah, you just need to know where to find those in your area, online and offline. If your country has an LGB Alliance group, maybe that could be one place among others to find based lesbians in your area? And perhaps if you haven't yet, you could also reach out to your married lesbian friends if they know other lesbians potentially open for relationship that you could connect with? Visit them for coffee or tea, have a good time and talk, and use the power of networking. I hope you all the best on your journey, dear. Don't lose your hope, even if the world feels like burning around us these times.

No. 20304

>>20298
Thank you for the suggestions and encouragement! Connecting with LGB groups is a really good idea, especially to find like-minded women. I'll make an effort to try and network.
It is incredibly refreshing just to know I'm not alone in this experience and that similar women have found success.

No. 20476

I absolutely hate the polilez types encouraging/excusing straight people's homophobia even if it was "only" against moids. These idiots need to understand that just because the breeders throw some "I'm just talking about the fags of course I don't mean lesbians" bullshit on their homophobic bullshit posts it doesn't mean it is true and soon they will come after you. Just look at the fakeboi thread they already are testing it with how they talk about butches and masculine women.

No. 20477

>>20476
that thread is full of mtfs and gayboys punching down

No. 20478

>>20476
>Pretending everyone who hates male depravity is pretending to be gay or a lesbian etc.
>Reeing about women who choose to not fuck men
>Complaining about the ftm thread
>Pretending men and women are the same
Shut up retard. Gay men are not our friends and are still sexist as shit. Look at the right and MRAs, incels, MGTOWs etc. Many are gay and fucking hate women. Just because they don't want to rape us doesn't mean they don't enjoy our suffering and oppression. They see themselves as above us.

No. 20480

>>20477
Also
>complaining about women shitting on gay scrotes
>calling most ftm posters gay scrotes
>shitting on ftms is punching down
It's so easy to spot ftms kek. Which is it? We need to stop hating gay men, or support them shitting on ftms (as if anyone recognizing ftms as cows is a man, such a cope kek)? Let me guess, you identify as a gay man while being a yaoi enjoyer, right? You should recognize shitting on gay men does not include ftms because they're women.

No. 20481

>>20480
Samefag, hating the ftm posters by calling them gay men is shitting on gay men dumbass.

No. 20482

>>20476
Straight men hate women for having sex with men easy because they see it as life on easy mode, women being able to have sex easy the same way men want to have sex easy whenever they want. The same is true for gay men, they, not all but a decent amount that deserves to be shit on, hate straight women for 'living life on easy mode' because they can easily have sex with straight men whenever they want. They aren't always are friends and are still men so have the entitled retard mindset.

No. 20493

>>20478
Nta but I think that gay men are indifferent at worst, why would they spend their time spreading incel ideas against women? It's the straight incels and neckbeards with a chip on their shoulder who do it.

No. 20505

>>20493
Because scrotes see everything as a competition and gay moids seethe since most men they're attracted to are attracted to women and not them. Gay moids still have a chip on their shoulder and are as misogynist as any other scrote.

No. 20549

since this is already on topic, nonnies itt how would you rank the below from most to least annoying?

>gay men

>bi men
>straight men
>bi women
>straight women
>tims
>tifs

No. 20565

>>20476
majority of fakebois that are mocked are straight women with husbands/boyfriends and straight women trying to fuck gay men

No. 20569

>>20549
Most annoying: TIMs
Least annoying: straight women
I'm too lazy to rank them all sorry.

No. 20571

>>20549
As a group not individuals :

tims (straight and bi)> bi men> tims (gay)> straight men> gay men> tifs (straight and bi)> bi women> tifs (lesbian)> straight women

No. 20573

>>20549
From most to least annoying: TIMs, straight men, TIFs, gay men, straight women, bi women (actual bi, not spicy straight, otherwise straight women are the least annoying). I've never met a bi man, so I don't know. I would probably put them in the same category as gay men.

No. 20574

>>20573
Samefag. I changed my mind. TIFs are more annoying than straight men, because to be a troon you need to also have a mental illness of some kind.(lolcow.farm/info)

No. 21373

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that twitter thread was so disgusting but true. Iv'e seen many bi girl like that, even one of my friend who told me she would love to randomly meet some perfect guy and have a family etc but with women she only wanted them as fuckmeat. I was so repulsed, bi girls are much worst for us than het girls ( and they dont pass on us STD from moid ).

No. 21482

What are the most tell-tale signs a "queer" woman is actually straight? Sometimes it can be hard to differentiate between hetties and straight leaning bi women

No. 21513

>>21373
look at this het girl who wants to be oppressed by the gays lol. tired of het girls thinking making out with their friends when drunk makes them some form of lgb. Most of the time “bi” het girls think we are too much drama and have internalized misogyny towards lesbians anyways.

No. 21595

>>21482
Never having a gf, saying shes attracted to all women, lusting after drawn or fictional men, etc. None of those make those women bad btw, they're probably either traumatized or autistic and trying to deny their attracted to men because of bad past experiences.

No. 21677

I was assaulted as a kid multiple times and due to that I've never had sex or been in a romantic relationship so imagine my rage hearing my "lesbian" ex friend talk about how she's still a lesbian despite fully fucking a man and saying she would do it again. Her response was "Well I don't see myself with a man". Like what the actual fuck. Not to mention she's attracted to tims who identify as nonbinary but yeah a total lesbian.

No. 21926

>>21677
Anon I'm really sorry for what you've gone through and I hope you'll meet someone that makes you feel safe. Your friend sounds retarded and I feel like sometimes women have to make up stuff just so they can pretend they aren't attracted to men because majority of women know how shitty men are. Instead of saying that, she could just say she's bi or simply choose to be celibate, I don't understand how someone can decide not to date men but then go for the most mentally ill men(tim).

No. 22334

>>21373
>I am not the bisexual girl from your past that led you on to get some pussy
Reading this twitter thread I'm pretty sure you are to someone from your past.

No. 22337

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Is there a word for lesbians who behave this way? Because I hate them, honestly. Feels like pathetic handmaiden behavior. I feel like this is so common in radfem spaces. Every time TIMs in female spaces comes up some lesbian chimes in like "I ripped out my own eyes to avoid making women uncomfortable with my gaze! Please like me!". It's not feminist it's just self-hating and sad.

Also you know what? The homophobes I went to high school with obsessively policed the femininity of ALL girls, not just the out lesbians. It was nice of OP bow to their demands but without OP they probably just decided some other unpopular or ugly girl was a dyke too and targeted her instead. So even from a perspective of not giving a shit about lesbians it makes no sense to me that we have to coddle homophobic women because muh female solidarity.

No. 22363

>>22337
that sounds like a stupid reach. Women are socialized to give a shit about other peoples feelings and men are not, that's the point of her comment. I don't see how you can possibly nitpick it

No. 22364

>>22363
The point of her comment is that a middle school aged girl (who behaved completely appropriately) was made to feel so predatory and rapey she was forced to go change in a segregated area. That's sad and lesbophobic, not based feminist praxis.

No. 22676

I feel bad for her because of her awful childhood but it make me laugh how disappointed she is on being a lesbian, because she always complained of not being able to find a good guy to date, and now it's gonna be even harder for her. It make it even funnier when she did the videos on pink pill stuff (obligatory hi cow joke) and her being flamed for being transphobic over the trans athlete issue. thoughts ?

No. 22688

>>22676
I'm not familiar with this youtuber, but the way she talks seems as distorted and disconnected from reality as any male incel. To say that she is the least desirable type of woman to other women and at the bottom of the food chain and it will take "at least a decade" to find someone… is she not drop dead gorgeous? Is she not so meticulously groomed and stylish and put together that she should be a little bit more aware of how insanely attractive she is? On a different level entirely, the women who say "I'm not homophobic, my friends and family are totally accepting, I just happen to be disappointed I'm a lesbian for entirely rational reasons" (seen in /g/ all the time, as well as in real life all the time) seem to me to be a little bit lacking self-awareness about how cultural homophobia is clearly profoundly affecting them as we speak (and I say that as someone who's definitely carrying around shame from that).

No. 22718

>>22688
>(seen in /g/ all the time, as well as in real life all the time)
DA what kind of things have you seen said in /g/? like in specific threads, or general threads, or /lg/ specifically or something?

No. 22719

>>22688
>To say that she is the least desirable type of woman to other women and at the bottom of the food chain and it will take "at least a decade" to find someone… is she not drop dead gorgeous?
IIRC, Kidology was raised by virulent racists who used her for weird, religious virtue signaling, then disowned her when she reached adulthood. Her scrote adoptive dad literally used to hang up pictures on his wall saying to kill black children. She really hates herself on a racial basis, and I think she relates to incels because of that. The "least desirable" stuff is pure delusion, she gets tons of simps and people calling her beautiful on her channel, but I suppose it doesn't mean much to her because of her past.
I don't agree with all her takes, but I feel sorry for her. I really hope she finds healing.

No. 24952

Thought this was too venty for the main lesbian thread. But has anyone else had the experience of someone who was super lesbophobic towards you later on coming out as some flavor of spicy straight and then making ~queerness~ their whole personality? I feel petty for being so hung up on childhood stuff, but I swear every one of the girls who treated me like shit over being a lesbian (refusing to let me change with them during gym, uninviting me from sleepovers because "what if you try something," asking if I was checking them out randomly) later became low effort enby "bisexuals" who only ever date men and then bring them to pride and ramble endlessly about how gay they are. I think what gets me the most is that I know they're still the sorts of people now who'd find ways to bully me for being a lesbian, just with woke language. It almost makes me miss when everyone was just fucked up to my face, at least I didn't have to play this shitty charade where we're all part of the same team. We do not, never have, and never will have any shared experiences here. I think I'm also ashamed because these girls were my "friends" and I never stood up for myself because I really did think there must be something wrong with me. I was the only one like me that I knew. There were no other lesbians around to tell me that they were treating me badly and I didn't deserve it. So it makes me extra angry when they talk to me now all these years later like we have anything in common. I just wonder if this is a niche experience or if it's somewhat common.

No. 24964

>>24952
>But has anyone else had the experience of someone who was super lesbophobic towards you later on coming out as some flavor of spicy straight and then making ~queerness~ their whole personality?
I was ruthlessly bullied at an old job by my "bisexual" (spicy straight) manager when I came out as lesbian. For her, seeing a hairy GNC dyke who was genuinely unattracted to men as a sex made her severely uncomfortable to the point she tried to get me fired behind my back. It's not the exact same experience as you described, but it still made me evil. Sorry you had to go through that anon, it sucks beyond measure that being same-sex attracted is a fad to 99% of women. Everyone's so scared of looking like a boring old normal oppressive straight person these days, that they gotta be some flavor of enby or queer or bisexual. It drives me nuts because you know they'll never ever date a woman in their lives and would rather wax poetic about their ~sapphic woes~. They try to treat their straight nonsense as being in the same galaxy as lesbianism and it's disgusting.

No. 25036

Do you think les/bi relationships can work long term? Why/why not?

No. 25039

>>24964
That sounds infuriating nona. I can't believe she tried to get you fired. I also hate how it's a fashion statement to so many women, it's just a cool aesthetic and political statement. But the second they see an actual honest-to-god lesbian, they're horrified and disgusted. And I know so many of these types of enby straight women who end up dating TIMs and acting like it makes them sooo lesbian. Like if the only "woman" you can stomach is a man, well, maybe that should tell you something. I wonder why being "queer" of all things has become so trendy?
>>25036
Hasn't worked out for me, but I assume it has to work out for some couples. I think they key is that the bi woman has to genuinely decenter men in her life. The problem is that a lot of bi women still perform for the male gaze and are very attached to the "safety net" that being OSA affords them. So even when they're dating lesbians, many still fish for male validation and treat their lesbian partner like a cool accessory. If a bi woman can avoid these pitfalls and truly center women in her life, then I think it can work out.

No. 25191

Stupid question:
The more I learn about radical feminism, I come across the idea that women are conditioned to be heterosexual. If that is true, then are women meant to be homosexual or nothing? If you manage to be unconditioned from heterosexuality and start despising men, is it possible to become a homosexual? Or will the formally straight women be unnattracted to both genders?

No. 25192

>>25191
This is the worst thread to ask this question, unless it is bait, in which case it's the perfect thread. Political lesbianism is not welcome here.

No. 25193

>>25192
Sorry, I should have gone to the stupid questions thread. Also, I am not a political lesbian.

No. 25195

>>25191
Heterosexual women can be conditioned to become lesbians as much as lesbians can be conditioned to become heterosexual, in other sexual orientation is determined in the womb and there are no current methods of changing sexual orientation.

No. 25348

>>25195
>sexual orientation is determined in the womb
It's just wrong to say that your psyche and experiences can't influence your sexual orientation. and like 2 decades behind scientifically.

No. 25354

>>25348
I'm not sure what this thread is for but I'd add that the "Born this way" drivel was invented by gay men. There would be no need to "quantify the gay" or myths of a gay gene, and conversion therapy idiocy if people just let people live and love who they want with no trannies or elaborate bullshit; no justification needed. You don't need to justify your attraction to women, it should just be accepted.

No. 25977

It's interesting how every random person on the internet knows what causes sexual orientation and if it can be altered or not when the world's top sexuality researchers don't.

No. 26134

>>25348
Wouldn't that affect your preferences and how you're attracted to instead of what sex(es) you like entirely?

>>25191
It's been awhile since I last read theory but heterosexuality is just as much as a social institution as it is a sexuality. "Conditioned into heterosexuality" is referring to the former. I honestly think most people would still be heterosexual even without patriarchy/misogynistic/homophobia/etc., but there would be a lot less women revolving their lives around men. I'm skeptical of the "comphet" thing but it technically was refering to how women are socialized to prioritize men in their life, even OSA women.

No. 26147

"polilez" shouldn't be here they're just bisexuals who pretend not to be bi bc they're cowards

No. 26150

honestly at this point i think women who are obsessed with polilez are compensating something the conversation is not wrong to have but some women get really suspicious about it

No. 26164

>>26150
you are a lesbian or you aren't. if you are bi, call yourself bi, not "queer" or "political lesbian."

No. 26248


No. 26271

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im tired of bis and polilez clogging up our community with debate about our sexuality or retarded talk of "comphet". there's probably much less lesbians than there are women who claim to be lesbian. I don't know why people can't admit that being a kinsey 6 (an exclusive homosexual) or even a kinsey 5 is simply rare. "Social conditioning" is when you're a lesbian in a shithole homophobic country. I'm tired of women who hate themselves and hate their sexuality calling themselves lesbians and then proceeding to talk about how much they hate women. if sexuality is so malleable what is the point of calling themselves something that has a specific definition to it? (female homosexual). Lesbian is something you forever are, not something you become, even if there were 0 true lesbians that's still what it would be. I wish fake lesbians would create their own community with their own labels, I'm tired of their guilt about their sexuality being pushed on us.

No. 26322

>>26271
Judging from the twitter reaction image you don't seem to belong here, kek. The strange schizophrenic immature things you're typing don't seem worth engaging in compared to posts up thread but I will say that holding moid psychoanalysis tranny doctrine over your own sexual inclinations and feelings doesn't seem very salient. I don't have the answers but there is no 'us' and you certainly don't speak for me or other women. I only aggregated what others have said. Maybe engage in actual discussion of theirs if you disagree instead of sperging like a underaged child on a twitter thread.

No. 26335

>>26322
this paragraph holds no substance

No. 26358

>>26335
Vacuous but at least it's not a cringe matter of factly written twitter gif.

No. 26363

>lesbian only vent thread
>full of bis and polilez
kek

No. 26409

>>26322
What nona said is true, even if you don't like her reaction image.

No. 26433

>>26409
You can believe it's true yet a lot obviously disagree.

No. 26572

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>>26248
you are a lesbian or you aren't. if you are bi, call yourself bi, not "queer" or "political lesbian."

No. 26665

>>26572
Disagree, as with many others. Generally I would recommend not to identify with labels like a tranny and instead just live as you please. Actions speak larger than words so just live them; you don't need justification by society or others for how you are.

No. 26671

I've noticed that a lot of bisexuals I've met are self hating but pretend not to be and constantly casually bring up their het relationships around gay people with this daring sort of fuck you attitude in the same way they bring up their highschool girlfriend in front of their parents. It's so awkward to sit in a room with a woman as she details the latest horrendous thing her shitty moid did, and if you say anything that's even the slightest bit critical she starts doing backflips to defend him. Why bring it up then? There's the unmistakable vibe she's just waiting for you to tell her to dump him and date a woman (aka you) instead. It's the same online too, especially in gc/feminist spaces. They'll talk about KAM but not darling nigel, who she totally treats like shit and forces him to give unreciprocated oral every night because she's a boss bitch lady queen!!! So many bisexual women have such a complex about it and it's strange when they take it out on me because I'm never sure what to say. I don't know how to soothe someone because they're feeling ashamed of their het attractions in front of me. No, I don't think that video game moid is cute, but you can if you want. You don't need to get weird about it, I literally didn't say anything.

No. 26700

Julia fox came out as a lesbian, what an L cause she has gross sex pic with a moid like she kneels to him with his dick in her mouth, I found them cause I was searching for the pics of her bbl kek

No. 31484

I hate subhuman frat shits. Look at the way this little smug subhuman sexually harasses these girls ON CAMERA. But the worst thing about this is that these girls cave into it. I remember seeing subhuman jock moids be little rapeape shits to women in my high school years and still get a hot girl on the side. Theyd harass severly disabled girls, teachers, and literally every woman in proximity to them. It's still the same nowadays, moids just hide it better. I would slap the shit out of them if they did that shit to me though, I never cared about how many people were watching but anyways. Why are subhumans able to act like this? Why do I as a lesbian get treated like a sexual predator and moids who literally ARE sexual predators don't? What did i do? What is inherently predatory about liking exclusively the same sex to people? Like fuck every woman who treats lesbians as lesser but allows moids near them. Stereotypical "Chads" are the most disgusting kind of moid because they get away with every shitty thing they do AND get cute girlfriends (extremely naive retarded ones to be fair). So fucking stupid. Anyone who thinks looks makes moids different is retarded, they're all retarded rapeapes who love little girls. "Chads" are just more smug about it.
>>26572
agreed
>>26700
She's attempting to be "futch" too. So cringe

No. 31652

>>26700
she's a coward and a hypocrite, she is personally friends with a degenerate who has proven to have assaulted men, women and teenagers (and even lets her infant son be around him), but she doesn't care because she 'knows him' better
>>31484
what's a futch?

No. 31675

>>31652
she's definitely a fame hustler. when I saw her in uncut gems I assumed she was some super talented actress who was doing some high level acting shit, but then I skimmed through her book and that was just how she was irl(she was a dominatrix and later a sugarbaby). I did feel she lacked a certain level of self-awareness in her book. sure the men she ended up with sucked, but why did you choose them? they were degenerates openly and on other hand the drug addled nights of partying just sound so sad and kinda pathetic but she makes it seem like those were the highlights of her life, it seems now she wants to invent a "woke" identity for herself and she's set to either become a toxic boymom or troon out her kid for extra brownie points

No. 31716

What are your thoughts on febfems? Under which conditions would you date one if any? My ex is a febfem but she felt like a lesbian as in she never talked about her attraction to men. She never dated one before as well. I felt pretty comfortable with her and would often forget she's bisexual. We broke up due to distance issues but she's a good girl. I know she might be an exception because febfems I've interacted with on the internet seem insane, extremely mentally ill and repressing, so I'm unsure if febfem is a redflag for me or not. I would probably never date one again.

No. 31748

so theres this bi woman whos friend with moids, often showing them her bushes and brags about how she cheated on her gf in her home country while vacationing in russia

No. 32309

>>31716
I don't mind febfems, I have a lot of friends who consider themselves febfems and they're very chill. I try to exclusively date other lesbians but febfems are fine women.
>>31652
>what's a futch
Mix of "femme" and "butch", I don't take the label too seriously but people are calling julia fox "futch" because she wears jorts and has a wolf cut

No. 32323

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>>32309
samefag but recently I've been annoyed about how much kweers outnumber us. I wish lesbian communities online were more exclusive. "kweerness" is just annoying to deal with and hear about in popular culture. I wish we were just left alone, I cant help myself, I hate these people more and more everyday

No. 32631

>>32323
Well, I'm mentally ill, hate myself, an attention whore and still a lesbian kek

No. 33988

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No. 33992

>>33988
>Queer studies scholar
That thing is not bi, that's a straight woman with a cliche retarded liberal arts education. People who flip burgers and mop floors have more qualification and worth than this thing that calls itself a queer scholar.

No. 34026

>>32631
then it obviously doesn't apply to you
>>32323
who's the second woman?

No. 34032

>>33992
That's a tranny, google it

No. 34041

>>34026
>who's the second woman?
Julia fox, she's much older than the other girls. Iirc she dated kanye west and only came out as "gay" recently. Her "coming out" post was her just going like "teheehehe sorry boooyysss i like girls now!!!". Your basic attentionwhoring shit. These kinsey 2s are out of hand…
>>33988
>queer studies scholar
Kek

No. 35738

thread is dead. finally the rift between us has healed.

No. 35739

>>35738
it's been dead

No. 35756

simultaneously attracted to and repelled by osa women

No. 35758

>>35756
truly and honestly, I think i always flip from having a strong hatred towards them to loving them. I think it depends on the individual though tbh. Osa women generally piss me off

No. 35761

>>35758
For me it's not even just OSA women, it's women who are completely straight or functionally so. Like a Kinsey 1 or below. Life is suffering.

No. 35769

>>35758
for me i like how generally less hung up about sex stuff bi women are. lesbians get hung up in worrying about if certain things make them “less gay” like the strap discourse bs. but at the same time bi women almost always crave male attention at some point so they’re only temporary lovers for lesbians.

No. 35977

is this where we talk about fakebian influencers and such or is there another place for that?

No. 35979

>>35977
do you mean vidrel



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