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No. 6924

Thread for when you're at your peak and need to vent, scream or sperg about troons, TRAs, or related topics but don't want to shit up or derail other threads.

In a world where women are shunned for standing up for themselves, banned from using the word "woman", have their prizes and scholarships given to men, get told to shut up and take the girldick, that thier same-sex attraction is transphobic, that thier kids should have their body parts cut off - it's hard to not go insane.

The fear of getting cancelled, fired or shunned by TRAs and friends around you is weighing heavily on a lot of us, lc is one of few refuges where we are allowed to be honest. So go on, scream into the void about troons all you want.

No. 6925

My last remaining friend is on cross-sex hormones and wants me to touch his chest. I'm a connoisseur of man tiddies and like moobs, but troon moob? That shit is cursed and I fucking can't. Really not looking forward to the fallout if he notices that I'm too disgusted to touch him now.

No. 6926

Wouldn't this be better suited to 2X? It'd be nice to see that board get used.

No. 6927

Just tell him it is weird for friends to touch each others chests. He probably thinks that in female friendships it is normal for women to fondle and grope each others breast like in lesbian pornos
it´s barely living

No. 6928

>wants me to touch his chest
Wtf why? Is it possible he's trying to get with you and took hormones partly to get you to appreciate his troon moobs or something?? sounds disgusting

No. 6929

We used to have a much more affectionate friendship (cringe, I know, but we're childhood friends and I was touchy-feely back in the day) before he trooned out. That's why I'm worried he'll notice I'm too disgusted to touch him now. He probably trooned out because he's less autistic than I am and therefore more easily manipulated by validation and coom.

No. 6930

>and like moobs

No. 6931

I'm so incredibly sick of my guy friend who is a hypocritical enby who literally says he doesn't believe in gender, but because he's not a hyper masc bodybuilder and instead a soft neet autist he somehow thinks that makes him "not cis, and therefore trans" by the trans logic so he goes by it.

Despite not believing in gender and admitting he would abandon it if people just stopped talking about it, he STILL insists trans women ARE real women and should only be in women's spaces and it would be transphobic and risk harming them to put them in male spaces.

TRAs being brainwashed is one thing. But hearing this guy say "gender isn't real, but also let women get raped by troons in female changing rooms becasue they are also women because their gender is female" has just made me so mad. I didn't know he was such a raging misogynist, leftist men are truly the worst. I now don't feel safe around him knowing he only cares about the safety of other men and happily let women suffer over it. I'm deeply hurt over it, I think I hate him now.

No. 6932

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man boobs

No. 6933

After years of this trans shit I've finally had regular interaction with one. They are of course 10 years younger and to me it entirely does seem like a phase. It as a very tall lanky boy pretending to be a woman. I have to call him she in work because I don't want the hassle. Everyone at work talks behind his back about how not like a woman he is. He's spoke to me about being trans and how his family doesn't speak to him now and he talks about notable female leaders and figured like a fan. I mean I can appreciate waxing lyrical about great woman but he still has never spoke about why he himself feels a woman. And I suppose that is entirely his business in this pc world, but it's just perplexing. It's obviously a strange thing but to ask him questions about his identity is probably a taboo subject in a work place, but the thing is he is very mouthy about politics and says quite provocative things. Yet no one has ever dared to question his beliefs and especially those on identity because dude what the fuck

No. 6934

>Everyone at work talks behind his back about how not like a woman he is.
Keep doing that and ignore him. It helps when you know everyone else is still sane and he's delusional on his own. Don't engage with anything trans related he says, just ignore it and change the topic so he can't keep spewing that shit and know you're not interested. If prompted by him to say something about a trans topic just say something like "Oh I wouldn't know about that since I'm not well versed in those things, anyway did you guys see this other thing… (start new topic before he can continue)"

No. 6935

>mouthy about politics and says quite provocative things
Can't you complain to the higher ups or HR about keeping the workplace apolitical and decorous? Namely you want work in a professional environment that won't arouse conflict between political opinions and discomfort with your work colleagues. Don't mention his name, centre your complaint on how this specific co-worker keeps disrupting the work environment and how other workers experience discomfort regarding the frequent topics about politics and provocative things.

No. 6936

I genuinely think that the mtf anime freaks are pornsick pedos and they just want to project their own weird sexual desires by turning their body into a sex toy for themselves but obviously they're grown men and don't look like underage cartoon characters. There's one at my uni and every time I see him he's wearing the same pink tracksuit with long greasy hair and it really bothers me because of how clearly stunted he is mentally and how it's absolutely them pretending to be however they think a girl is supposed to be, and it's almost always this entirely fictional version. I just can't stand seeing people attempt to imitate the female experience or act as if their sexualized "dysphoric" experiences as trans women is somehow harder or more undeserving than how real women are treated. I feel like if you talk to one it's like they're taking mental notes on what to copy and what to imitate- it's just weird. It's worse when you see them on social media talking about being jealous of "cis" women- like you can't even exist as a woman without some seething man being jealous of you?

I almost feel less bothered by ftm girls because all of the ones I've met are either weird fujos who are projecting or who have obviously been traumatized in some way in their life due to being a woman and this is their way of coping.

It just makes me so angry to feel I can't speak on the unique experience of girlhood and womanhood without worrying that someone will see it as "inclusive language" or disregard these real experiences and feelings because they are inherent to being a woman and leave out trans women. Total blogpost moment but it's this or be considered a pariah in a public/online setting these days if I say anything.

No. 6937

I find it astonishing ever since peaking and actually reading what "TERFs" have to say, that it's near impossible to find a single directly anti-TERF argument that isn't just a strawman blatantly wrong about what TERFs actually believe. Genderspecials had me genuinely convinced that TERFs were irrational, unscientific, bigoted hacks on the level of anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

It's embarassing to have bought into troon lies for so long, but at the same time, they push so hard for absolutely never reading what the other side has to say. They make such an effort to poison your mind so that you read anything uncharitable to gendwr ideology in a hostile way. It's disgusting. It feels like cultish mind control.

No. 6938

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>It's embarassing to have bought into troon lies for so long
Most of us did. Before I was aware of male aggression, crime rates, and socialization, I saw the argument that a man doesn't become a woman because he lost his penis in a car accident, so why would a woman be a man just because she was born with a penis? And I was like, yeah, the penis seems pretty irreverent when you put it that way. But then I started reading and everything starting adding up.

No. 6939

yeah it should be on /2X/ but since its hidden from users now i doubt that people would remind themselves to go there

No. 6940

this is repulsing, how the fuck do you like something like that ? please stop.

No. 6941

what confuses me the most is the people who rejected tra ideology, peaked and went to big gc/terf circles and then suddenly becames anti-terf and goes back to the tranny cult for whatever reasons ? like how can people think like that ? its so confusing.. when you learn about what troons ideology is like, and how they're just a bunch of pornsick dudes, i dont understand how u can flip back and agree with them?

No. 6942

mod why did you just put that thread there ? most people dont know about /2X/, there would be less interactions than it should have

No. 6943

Seconding this, 2X board is pretty much dead and more people need to see this vent thread because we are truly at out peak with nowhere else to go, it was fine having it in ot

No. 6944

Probably extremely mentally ill people who went to terf spaces and said something retarded that got terfs to yell at them so they got their ego hurt and went back to their hugbox coom trans corner where no one questions their degeneracy

No. 6945

>yeah it should be on /2X/
This was literally you 2 hours ago. You're questioning why when even you yourself said it belongs here.

This topic belongs on this board, end of discussion. There is a reason we unlocked the board recently.

No. 6946

yeah but i added a "but" on the same sentence, knowing that its the most niche part of lolcow and all the threads there are dead. its true that it belongs there but since its a hidden part of the website then it should be better to leave it in /ot/ , which will attract more users

No. 6949

OP here, I debated where to put the thread and opted for ot partly because 2X seemed more political and I just intended for the thread to be little more than for venting and shitposting mirroring the threads in ot. And then partly because I didn't even know 2X existed until recently despite lurking the site for years, and 2X seemed like it was never used so I just assumed it was dead and made redundant due to the whole site being anti-troon anyway. Why is 2X hidden in the first place?

No. 6950

2X has been hidden bc it didnt attract a lot of users in the first place, it should be included on the top left links again

No. 6953

I'm still remembering that moid son of that actress that trooned out. Forgot his name but he was wearing a re:zero maid cosplay. It's horrendous.

Terfs are everyone and everything they hate. Conservatives are terfs, UK is terf island despite actually providing trans med health?

I fell for it too, being unaware of what they really beleived in. Ironically enough, being around obnoxious horny and subtly misogynistic male TRAs peaked me kek.

Lmao the most I saw is radfems curbing them from make up/societally accepted feminine stuff.

No. 6954

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>that moid son of that actress that trooned out.
Jamie Lee Curtis no-neck son?

Speaking of which I really hate these coward celebritites promoting the trans cult. JLC makes more sense because her autistic trooned out child has influenced her to think it's not a bad thing. But the other ones who are openly criticizing it at first, who then get hounded down by trans activists until they apologize and instead say the holy TWAW prayer truly lack spines. I get that it looks like a bad career move but this is a movement that quite literally advocate for harming children and teens physically and mentally. They're not exactly hiding how "life-saving" they think cutting off a 12 year olds breasts is, and how giving a feminine young boy drugs that are used to sterilize pedos is a holy ritual of the trans-gods. I am hoping they just lie low about it to get out of the heat and that they'll be fully terfing again when the tides turn, but god damn is it cowardly of them to back down. JKR is a true hero for still standing up for women.

No. 6955


No. 6957

My colleagues and I were talking together which ended up on the topic of LGBT and sex educators as one of them works full time as a teacher and is a handmaiden as she is friends with one and I could see that she was getting bothered by our male gay work colleague who didn't openly respect trans people and she did try to point it out but we just brushed it aside since I think nearly all of us are in our work is against trannies and I'm just surprised to see someone openly supporting trans in our workplace which is a hospital.
Interesting topics that came up in the conversation
>BDSM should be kicked out from the LGBT from male colleague
>Non binary sex educator for children and teaching children that you can be a girl, boy or neither and the fact that a boy in said class said that he was didn't feel like a boy or a girl since he was just himself and was happy with that from teacher colleague
>MTF sex educator molested, raped a child he was teaching and was reported as a women fatty with a five a clock shadow in news outlets and teacher colleague heard the tail end of the conversation and pointed out that he wasn't being inclusive towards trannies, we ignored her.
Teacher colleague and male colleague got along with each other for the rest of the shift otherwise. Just peak already, you are deluded.

No. 6958

It's hidden to prevent scrotes from spamming.

No. 6959

you're not farmhand lmao that wasnt the reason

No. 6964

>I saw the argument that a man doesn't become a woman because he lost his penis in a car accident, so why would a woman be a man just because she was born with a penis?
I had to read this 10 times because I really couldn't understand the logic. This argument is retarded

No. 6965

I know a lot of people who have subtly peaked but still insist to call men "trans women" or the like. Or accept men as something other than a man just because he went and paid for every cosmetic augmentation he could. To me, even the Blaire Whites of the world are living dishonestly. I don't consider someone like that a non-man, certainly not a woman. I don't get having "nuance" on this issue. I've met far too many creep ass TiMs that I have absolutely 0 sympathy for them as a group. They won't call out the violent and shittiness in their own communities, much like any other man when you point out the trends of misogyny. How could anyone sympathize with a group so disconnected from reality? Is it because they have friends who still id as trans? Like I don't get what it possibly could be. I had trans friends, the moment I peaked I realized we couldn't see eye to eye, our philosophy on life had changed. It sucks losing friends but it's literally intolerable to be around someone who can't admit to reality rather than try to stick around and watch them battle it out in their heads.

No. 6966

they had me in the first half…

No. 6967

I agree about the nuance thing. Sex is binary and gender is a made up construct that has nothing to do with the material reality of women and men. Accepting anything other than that is not only false, but just allows further stupidity to become normalised. I don't care if a small, weak HSTS who wouldn't hurt a fly wants to use women's space. He isn't a woman. And whilst I understand having sympathy for vulnerable gay men, up to a point, that is not for women to take the burden of. And we know that by letting in one "gentle" HSTS who looks the part, we are letting in all the predatory men too.

I think a lot of women don't realise how misogynistic gay men are, and how they fetishise us too, but for different reasons than the typical AGP TIMs. They want to be seen as submissive "sluts" and that is why they pretend to be women. This is who they are defending as women.

As long as it is little threat to my immediate physical safety, I will always state reality. These are trans-identified men. The word woman is already taken.

No. 6968

I rememeber seeing that back on tumblr and started lightly peaking from the same argument: if a man was in a car accident and lost his penis he'd still be a man. So a man who cuts off his penis to look like a woman is still a man.

No. 6970

I can tolerate it if people have subtly begun to peak, just keep sending them screenshots of what troons do and say about women until they realize they're all just men.

It's so backwards how the trans movement took gender roles and double down on them while pretending to be progressive. "I'm a woman because I want to be treated like a slut" is a fully valid argument in the trans community that I've seen time and time again. "I'm not a woman because I don't want to be treated like a slut" is seen as equally valid on the ftm and nonbinary side. I've never met any group of people who are so openly misogynistic and homophobic as trans people. That includes every convservative person I've met and I'm not exaggerating.

Trans people:
>deny science and biology
>prevent new studies to be done in fear of it making them look bad
>vilify real therapy
>subscribe to every gender role
>thinks physically and mentally harming children is "helping" them
>refuse to accept mental illness is real
>have their roots in misogyny
>reject discussion, promote violence
>say the oppressors are actually the opressad
>protects pedophiles over their victims

They are batshit crazy. The fact that most of my friends are doing mental gymnastics to not have to question it infuriates me so much. You were conned, they tricked you, stop letting them fool you. It's not too late to join the sane side again, unlike trans people we happily welcome you back to the real world. Thank fucking god detrans people now exist and are speaking out against it, I feel like they're the only ones able to take the cult down with their inside knowledge.

No. 6971

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Nonas I am finally doing it, I am cutting off my male enby troon friend for expressing too much pro-troon misogyny that I can't deal with without terfing out on him. I've had it. Every single one of my friends who aren't part of that particular friend group are supporting my decision. I'd love to tell him why, but I also do not want to ever have to talk to his woman hating ass ever again.

And to you, you delusional hypocrite: you wonder why your friends don't talk to you when you choose to routinely ignore them, try to manipulate female friends into touching your moid body while pretending you are one of them, you pretend you're oh so smart and scientific while actively promoting these delusions that harm everyone involved. I hate you, never talk to me again you sexist pig.

No. 6972

How is cosmetics like laser hair removal covered by insurance for trannies but I have to pay a goddamn breast reduction surgery out of my own pocket!!!
Trannies will whine about how their rights are under attack but society already caters to them

No. 6973

>laser hair removal covered by insurance for trannies
>breast reduction surgery out of my own pocket
WTF, where do you live? Prioritising tranny hair removal against lifelong pain that is associated with very large breasts.
This reminds me a bit of what that American state that is going to have guaranteed income for people just for being trans instead of the homeless and single mother.

No. 6975

I've seen troons get crowdfunded for fucking MAKEUP. It's no wonder why so many women have been pretending to be MTF troons to get free shit handed to them constantly. Women with tubular breasts also need to pay for reconstructions and some of them even get a fake "love yourself" speech all the while no one cares about troons becoming plastic surgery addicts under everyone's nose

No. 6976

"Why yes, if a man chops his dick off he's still a man regardless of consent to the procedure. Therefore dickchop trannies are still men."

No. 6977

I am seriously considering trying to scam troons out of money by pretending to be one and then dumping the money into terf sources. I'm scared it would be tied back to me and I'd get in trouble though kek

No. 6978

I can't think of a single human right troons don't already have in the west. They can marry, adopt, they get paid more than women because they're men, crossdressing is legal etc
What the fuck are they even asking for at this point? Obviously transmen don't get the same privileges but that's because they're women and women are oppressed and has nothing to do with their transness. If they'd actually pass they'd even get paid more because they're assumed to be men

No. 6988

>I've seen troons get crowdfunded for fucking MAKEUP
According to the trans movement anyone who says they are trans IS trans. So if I'm identifying as a "Kikomi", afab transwoman that makes me one. My sex has NOTHING to do with my gender identity after all. Being an afab transwoman makes sense because I was an insecure teen who hated my body and never felt feminine enough - it's all dysphoria because I was a transwoman all along! So now that we have established that I am in fact a fully legit transwomen, crowdfunding to help with my dysphoria is not even a scam.

No. 6994

I don't get how gender identity/expression is a more valuable way to categorize people than biological sex. We come in two distinct physical forms, even trans admit it with their afab/amab shit, meanwhile "gender" can be, in their own words, whatever the fuck you want it to be. How is that useful to anyone in any way whatsoever? It's completely meaningless. If a woman is anyone who identities as one, then a woman is either a. nothing, or b. some arbitrary and constricting set of behaviors and costume. Defining it based on sex is the least restrictive option, I don't understand how people can't see that.

No. 6995

>even trans admit it with their afab/amab shit
Yes this shit is devoid of any logic. They are saying assigning genders at birth is "wrong" because it has nothing to do with your gender. Meaning it would be better according to them if no sex was assigned. So if you're a tim and wasn't assigned a sex - then you can't be trans. Because then you're not transitioning, since you're not of the male sex and there is no female sex. And you're not trans because your "gender doesn't match your sex" because you don't have a sex.
They'd essentially just be a "woman" by default, without getting any of the "perks" of being trans. They can no longer emulate being female - there is no physical thing that defines female. FFS, srs, hormones, clothes, etc - none of that is valid because there is no femaleness anymore, any man would be as female as any woman.

No. 6996

the local weeb transbian keeps talking to me, he doesn't know i disapprove of his entire existence

No. 6997

They've already cancelled saying amab/afab and think it's terfy to use it.
I've already peaked a long time ago, I have to vent though. I was shopping with my grandma yesterday and we were talking to each other and this elderly AGP decided to stand in front of us and insert himself into the conversation. Afterwards I went to the bathroom, gave the toilet lady the money and she told me to use the handicapped toilet and I overheard that the AGP who followed me got to use the women's toilet. I don't know if I'm reading too much into it, but I'm GNC, so I wonder if they thought they were being woke.

No. 6999

Tinfoil, troons are there often and follow women to the restroom and she did it to protect you

No. 7000

I wish I was better at retaining information so I could refute TRA claims without digging up the scientific papers and hard proof. I just always have memories of the topic but can't go into details, and I can't just start googling terf resources when talking to a TRA friend lol

No. 7044

So sorry this is long.I just have alot on my mind and need to get it out.
So I discovered transgenderism at a pretty young age when I was around 10 years. Since I was an outcast myself and slightly a tomboy I was sympathetic towards trans people and thought "since they aren't hurting anyone they should be allowed to do whatever they feel like" but I had no desire to troon out as a child though. I remember when in sex ed when we would talk about puberty I would ask the teachers "what about trans people?" which is super weird. I have no idea why I did that I didn't know any trans people, I didn't know any trans supporters, I didn't use the internet at that time so no one I knew where pushing me to use "inclusive" language so it was my own line of thinking that bought me to those kind of questions. I cringe whenever I think about it.
Anyway my point is that I have been supportive of trans people for as long as I knew what they where. It even got worse when I got tumblr around the age of 13 and would start following TRAs. I did start id'ing as a "non binary girl" when I was 16-19 though but I never came out to anyone. My line of thought was "I don't mind people calling me a girl but I also think gender is bullshit so I guess im an enby but other people dont need to know that". Super weird stuff.
So imagine, I had been a hardcore trans ally for almost all of my life. I had gotten in countless of fights over TRA bullshit without questioning it once I had gotten in really nasty arguments with friends and family over this. it's embarrassing. And yet it took me less than a week to peak. Ironic enough even though I know some terf in real life(trans issues was just a thing we agreed on to never to talk about whenever we hung out) what made me peak was a scrote comedy made for normies. Zero feminist theories, zero social theories, just a comedy that was poking fun of trans people was an eye opener of how bullshit the whole thing is. Literally a few days before I peaked I was defending children transitioning(awful I know). And then i just peaked out of nowhere.
I wish I could say at least that I don't agree with trans people but I respect their identities. But I just realized how misogynistic it all is. It's either men trying to ID themselves out of male privilege and then claim that they are more oppressed than women or it's women who thinks they are more enlighten that other women. It all just makes me so uncomfortable I don't think trans rights can exist together with womens rights.
I'm so mad at myself. After making being a TRA a big part of my identity for almost my whole life I just suddenly switch. I'm mad that I didn't peak sooner. I'm also mad that it was a show made by moids for moids that peak me instead of the women who has tried to educate me on misogyny I feel embarrassed by that.
I don't want to compare the trans movement to a cult since it's a strong comparison but it does feel cultlike at times. Like how trans people tell you to never argue with transphobes because "terf knows how to recruit you!!". While it is common for marginalized people to tell you not to platform bigots they will never tell you to not listen to their arguments. Gay people, people of colour, etc will actually familiarise themselves with hateful people's arguments because they know that the arguments are bullshit, and they want to be able to argue against them. But trans people know that the trans identity doesnt make much sense and they know that people will change their minds if they just listened to anyone critique the identity. I had been told so many times "Dont bother listening to transphobes because you will become transphobic if you do. just know that trans women are women and trans men are men". It's weird after believing that for so long that I just… don't do it anymore

No. 7049

>sorry this is long.I just have alot on my mind and need to get it out
I'm OP, I made this thread so you can rage spam and vent as much you want, whenever you want.

>what made me peak was a scrote comedy made for normies

>I'm also mad that it was a show made by moids for moids that peak me instead of the women who has tried to educate me on misogyny I feel embarrassed by that.
Would love to know what show it was? Comedy has the power to break through a lot of barriers. TRAs are always warning you about the evil terf women… but not about moid comedy. So it makes sense that it was something you wasn't trained to fully ignore and dismiss that helped peak you. I relate a lot to what you're saying nona, a lot of us were trans supporters before we peaked. I wasn't super active but I sure reblogged the trans propaganda back on tumblr and thinking about it makes me cringe

No. 7073

Holy shit nonas. Thats it! Invade their spaces! Dont change ANYTHING about your appearence, and start to claim MtF trans status! Use their platforms, invade their boards. Take transwomens spots in transwomen day of visibility. Take "diversity" spots at jobs that are meant for trans women. Cant beat them? Make them taste their own medicine.

No. 7089

i know necro but nonna if ure still lurking i hope you tell him, go crypto terf even, that agp is a sickness and he needs to get actual help for his degeneracy. its sad to lose a friendly moid to troonism and coom but if hes unwilling to change, ditch him.

No. 7145

i hate that south park episodes are becoming our lived reality now. vidrel

No. 7296

earlier today my TiF friend's TiM boyfriend said she realized she was trans after watching lesbian porn. he was the only man at a table with 4 or 5 women but of course no one could call him out for being fucking disgusting so we just had to sit there and listen to his bullshit. n*nas how can i peak my TiM friends without losing all of them?

No. 7301

i know, and what's really crazy is that was only 2019. video related is from a 2014 episode…

No. 7302

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>TiF friend's TiM boyfriend said she

No. 7307

Anyone remember coming across "baeddels" on tumblr or twitter or any online space where the end of twentysomething year olds congregate? Through them I saw how their screeds had no legitimacy, these were men waxing about living tortuous lives, had some forms of college education aiding their words, and had the most vile hatred of women before the nazi tranny furs came out of the woodwork.

No. 7308

Every time I go to this site I get the feeling it was good I never had friends growing up and now have no friends as an adult. I don't want to form a relationship with someone and one way or another end up discovering I'm friends with an agp predator. I hate what this world has become.

No. 7309

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That drag queen king of the hill episode is so upsetting.
The whole episode is based around peggy feeling inadequate as a woman and instead of telling her different it pretty much reinforces that she is.
When she finally meets a woman who is like her this woman turns out to be a man which reinforcing what peggy was afraid of in the first place. And what solves all of this is caroline telling peggy that she MUST be a woman bc all these men looking to be caricatures of women want her clothes to complete their unrealistic caricatures. That's her uplifting moment.
That a bunch of dudes skin walking women want to wear her clothes.
I used to love the episode as a kid but now I understand not only what peggy was feeling but how peggy was never truly uplifted by her form of womanhood. Instead she was used as a tool to peddle representation.

No. 7312

i really do hate that sexuality has been redefined from "attraction to sex" to "attraction to gender". i saw a guy claiming himself as het, so he was attracted to "people with feminine pronouns"…dude if you're gonna suck a troon dick then you are bi. it's so brainless

No. 7313

Oh my god those freakazoids… They were honestly what made me peak, seeing how much their rhetoric was similar to most tims thinking as a whole, and how nobody wanted to call them out for misogyny, and how they treated tifs… Guess I can thank them for that.

No. 7316

Oh shit I remember that, I loved this show otherwise but I remember ripping that bullshit apart when I watched it. Hate the media trends that were like “ha this man knows how to be a woman more than the woman that doesn’t conform to societal expectation teehee let’s watch him teach her how to wear makeup or walk in heels” as if gender is a sliding scale and the more makeup or feminine clothes you wear the more of a woman you are. I’m so shocked I didn’t end up trooning out like the majority of my former friend group

No. 7318

I think I peaked when trannies started spouting that non-white women are mannish and masculine that they pass better as women than them.

No. 7322

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I love King of the Hill but haven't rewatched this episode since I peaked. I bet it will piss me off now kek.
But on the subject, I watched this episode (pic rel) again recently - Bill gets lonely without his ex wife Lenore and starts dressing up as her sometimes, and putting on a high pitched voice - and made me think that if Bill went to therapy for skinwalking his ex wife now, he would probably be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and encouraged to transition.
When Hank said "The only way he could get Lenore back, was to become her" it really creeped me out.

No. 7324

Thought I made a lesbian friend but was disgusted to find out yesterday that she only dates trans lesbians and that she loves dick and she loves men. She just doesn’t want to date men for… reasons? So that makes her lesbian apparently. I hate what this movement has done to our community it’s so difficult to find each other.

No. 7325

Had to do a college presentation with a troon, he was left to do the slides, and made it ugly transflag colored, is their brain really that one-note? It didn't suit the subject at all, I told him it looked childish and unprofessional, and fortunately the other dude in the group agreed with me. I don't go putting pink or glitter on school work like I'm Legally Blonde just because I'm a woman, they're so stereotypical it hurts. It's even funnier because he's not even trying with his voice.

No. 7328

i always hear people saying the pig episode is the creepiest in koth, but pretty pretty dresses definitely takes the cake. i hate bill's gross voice and the whole episode is just uncomfortable especially now being peaked.

No. 7331

So angry. Every single generation of my family's women have been at the forefront of women's rights activism but now they are defending trannies and gaslighting me about the danger it causes to women's rights. These guys are my closest friends in the world and the smartest people I know, why are they not seeing this?? Its been the first time we fought in over 15 years and it hurts nonnies

No. 7340

Don’t back down nonnie, carry on your ancestors fight.

No. 7341

went to a queer Christmas event and the hosts were babying this absolute atrocity of a TIM. it was all the more revolting having successfully gone so many years without seeing one. he had to be in his 40s, horrible wet-looking scraggly hair, misshapen body made worse by his choice of clothing, carrying himself with the demeanor of a shy schoolgirl, god just an absolutely vile sight to be behold in every fucking way. of course he's a white man in Asia, which makes it 1000x worse - how incredibly much of a loser do you have to be to come to Asia and STILL have to resort to trooning out because even the stupidest local women with the absolute lowest standards for a white boyfriend here would rather die than touch you.

there was one other troon present, a local, he wouldn't take off his mask but I was still able to clock him. I knew something was off immediately because of the size of his head. when he got up and I saw his massive knobbly knees that confirmed it. they will never, ever pass. they will never, ever be women.

No. 7345

Because activists aren't smart or reasonable they are ideologues and grifters, whether good is done or not. Happens extremely easily. They go with what is presented as the tide.

No. 7351

I went to a majority women event this past summer and there was an obvious troon. He was asian, dressed up with false lashes and the mask, but his hands were huge. As well as his torso. He kept side eyeing me and my wife since we were dressed up to say hi to friends. It was really weird. Like why try to impose yourself on a female event and try to 'out do' the other women who just want to feel comfortable?

No. 7354

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sometimes am tempted to de-peak, at least publicly. ignoring this crap is probably easier for normies; for me, someone who will be working in tech, and has a lot of niche/nerdy hobbies besides, it is fucking impossible. reaching that point where i'm like "just accept that she's going by he/she now and you can't call her a woman anymore because ??? ~ gender ~ lol"

No. 7355

Right? Especially how they treated their tif counterparts. Literally nothing outside "being male hurts my soul but those afabs should get over being called a cunt it's a joke - a better joke since you're so insensitive is that I'll rape you like a man lol". Nothing but open pedophilia and rape fantasies in girly leftist spaces, but those women aren't anarcho socialists so they deserve all the thinly veiled belittlement.

No. 7358

I just went to a french bakery and had the cashier call me sweetie despite being in very casual and baggy pants. I bet these people would have a massive blow out, kek

No. 7359

I'm a true crime fan and I get so fucking enraged when the troons bitch about how many of them are killed. You know who has it even worse? Every single actual woman. In the same breath they cry about being murdered, they cry about TERFs. As if any TERF has ever murdered a troon. Why are we enemy number one, and not the men who murder them? We all know the answer nonas, because they're male and the real thing they're mad about is we don't want to participate in their crossdressing/public humiliation fetish. But why do handmaidens not get it? It annoys me so much that they invade female interest spaces just to get their headpats and sympathy shit, then toodle off to their male interest spaces to jack off. disgusting freaks.

No. 7360

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>Why are we enemy number one, and not the men who murder them? We all know the answer nonas, because they're male
Exactly. See picrel. Even their way of thinking is clockable and so unlike women.

No. 7361

Men have nothing to lose when they are rejected by a woman. Woman have to to teach themselves how to answer a man properly or they might end up murdered. I have zero empathy for men being like 'boo hoo, I'm a virgin who has never been kissed.'

No. 7362

I dont know if Im peaked yet. Uncomfortable, yes. But I dont know. A TiM came into the locker room yesterday at the gym, first time I've had to deal with that situation. I was already leaving but to my surprise I didn't feel any type of way. Is everything black and white truly? I just haven't seen it yet. I'm open to learning.

No. 7363

Womens spaces are segregated by sex and sex is black and white (its biology, can't be manipulated like gender shit) so yeah that tranny should not have been there regardless of if you felt uncomfortable or not.
You probably didn't feel much because you were already leaving but would it have been a different story if you were getting dressed/undressed or using the toilet? It's fucked up either way.

No. 7364

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If we lived in a world where people who were born male were no more a risk to people born female, than I would see what you mean. For me, peaking to begin with came down to safety and trust. We change in front of other women because they're, what, 100% less likely to attack us in some crazed sexual state than people born male? Hopefully another nona has it saved but there is a meme with a glittery cat about how even though men are just 49% of the population, they commit something like 95% of rapes. And men who identify as trans have a similar rate of criminal behavior as any other man. Ergo, to me, first before all else it is a matter of me safety and the safety of the other women around me. There is a certain level of ease you should be able to feel in female-only spaces, and when men force their way into those spaces they don't care that it makes women feel unsafe. This was, for me, the first step to peaking is acknowledging these tinkling perverts don't care how uncomfortable it makes you, and as many of them are rapists/murderers as in the rest of the male population. https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/

No. 7366

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this one?

No. 7367

the way trannies cancel jk rowling 10x harder then any rapist/domestic abuser scrote shows theyre still men at heart i want to alog

No. 7368

yep, that's it, thank you. Like I said, MTF are no different than regular males in terms of criminality. I don't want them to be in female-only spaces for the same reason I don't want males in female-only spaces. I understand the abstract of a non-peaked woman, if you see them as these harmless gay men or whatever then you don't care. But that isn't what the average MTF is.

No. 7369

I have a friend irl who has so many intelligent, well-thought out takes regarding feminism and the treatment of women by men, and the psychology of men. She's extremely refreshing to talk to because she clearly knows her shit and articulates it all perfectly. However, she has a tendency of lumping trans women in with women and acting as though they face the same struggles. I've never had a proper conversation about transgender people, particularly trans women, though. I hope she doesn't blindly defend & support them the way others do, she's way too smart. I am afraid to ever have a conversation with her about it all in case she catches on to my views and makes a judgement of myself as a whole from it.

No. 7370

One of my customers today was a very manly tranny. Huge shoulders, stubble and all. He ordered his food in an overly quiet voice, with a subtle lisp. The worst part was the expression in his eyes. He looked up at me with this affected "softness" complete with slow blinking and gross, slightly unfocused bedroom eyes. The insincerity of it all was overwhelming. It really hit home how big of a lie it is when they say they have found their "authentic self" or whatever. There was nothing authentic about this guy. Everything he did was an act, and it was very, very bad acting. And we're supposed to look these Mrs. Monty Python Doubtfire dudes in the eye and pretend they're not out there behaving shamefully and ridiculously.

No. 7373

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God yes, the shit is beyond creepy. It’s like that is how they see us and it makes me want to crawl out of my skin. Shit that as a woman I have never noticed that they try and ape, you wonder how many years they’ve spent analyzing women’s bodies and expressions like complete psychopaths. All that time trying to peg exactly how we hold our mouths when we take a photo (apparently, always smirking with a cocked eyebrow if you’re under 40, soft out of focus eyes, tightlipped smile if you’re over 40) and yet they can’t pretend to not be sex pests. Maybe spend that time trying to figure out how we don’t let our lives be guided by what makes us coom, troons.

No. 7388

Same here I really want to unpeak but it’s I possible to do so especially with regards to the enbies who have spread like the plague all over the world.
Enbies annoy me even more because there’s just no logic to what they’re saying at all. I really did try so hard to unpeak and listen to them but it’s just meaningless word salad

No. 7391

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>we're supposed to look these Mrs. Monty Python Doubtfire dudes and pretend they're not behaving ridiculously
kek. for decades we've been watching shows like monty python and films like mrs doubtfire, comedically showing us how silly men look when they try to portray us. the very idea of it was designed to make us laugh. their male bodies, their voice, their mannerisms and cluelessness about womanhood. and now all of a sudden, we're meant to take this seriously? we're no longer allowed to laugh but to look at Mrs Featherbottom as a real and valid woman who is just like us in every way?

No. 7393

omfg the “girlish” behavior they affect is 1000x worse to me than the tranny socks, the chokers, whatever other stereotypical shit they wear. as pathetic as it is vile

No. 7396

I hate troons so much I wish they all would die and I fucking hate how I can't voice my opinions or else I'll be treated with violence. I fucking hate that saying wishing fetishistic and pedofiliac men would drop dead is a hate crime. I fucking hate that we are demanded to play along with deluded gross men.

No. 7399

It feels like you either stay on the peak or jump to your death. I wouldn't be able to stay sane if I had to delude myself into these mental gymnastics again. If you used to be a gendie, it can help to look back and remember how much more miserable and victimizing you used to be. It may just be my experience and the only close friends who share my views' though.

No. 7400

KEK he was seething, you and your wife ruined his wlw fantasies
She might not have encountered any in the wild, or has sympathy for anyone who claims to be abused like troons say they are. Give her time, she'll peak. Maybe show her some statistics about the tranny crime rate like >>7364 and she'll peak.

No. 7409

Has Avu-chan been talked about in the mtf general thread? He's the lead singer of a japanese band called queen bee and they recently did one of chainsaw man's endings. The amount of comments calling him "queen" and a "she" is disgusting, specially because he has a deep as fuck voice, so girly!

No. 7410

Ignoring the dumb shit Kanye has said, this dumb tiktok song resonates with me because of peaking. Idk I miss my old "live and let live" self.
I'm surrounded by gender havers now it's hurts

No. 7418

i remember liking this episode, but i get what you mean. Though its actually not uncommon for women with bigger feet to buy shoes at drag queen stores.

No. 7434

I've reached the point where if I worked with that monstrous moid with the fake breasts, who is openly mocking women, I would have stopped giving a fuck a long time ago. I wish a woman who doesn't give a fuck anymore would show up for work in a stick-on party favor mustache, and tight pants stuffed with the most enormous, elephant sized rubber schlong-and-balls you can order on the internet. Stuff the pants and refuse to back down. Threaten with with suicide if they try to make you stop. Tell them your precious mustachio is your "authentic self." Every time someone brings him up, all I want is for some fed up woman to do this. In my stupid-ass fantasy world, people would HAVE to see the differences between how men and women get treated. Then there would have to be a real conversation about it. But, like I said, sometimes I live in stupid fantasy world.

No. 7439

I've been on Tumblr since high school and because of that, I always sided with trans rights. At one point, I even self identified as non binary, and I dabbled in presenting myself as a man. Last year, my best friend from childhood genuinely questioned what being nonbinary or trans means, and she was so nice about it. We had a really long conversation and she convinced me that I am definitely a woman, and I should be proud to be one because of all the challenges women face in this world just from being themselves. She was totally right. So from there, I met a transwoman who was obsessed with porn and posting pictures of her own genitals. A total creep, and would post about hating cis woman. Yet was a lesbian? Then I noticed most of them are obsessed with porn and having a ton of sexual partners. Then I found lolcow and after a lot of lurking, I'm fucking done. This whole trans movement is completely covering up actual real problems that women face. And it's literally silencing women who try to speak up. Recently on tumblr a popular blogger got erased from telling radfems he wants to rape and kill them, and encouraging them to commit suicide. Of course, everyone on Tumblr sides with HIM and any radfems who say "this is just another man telling women he will rape and kill them" that he was right and they should die. What is this fucked up world?

No. 7440

glad you wised up

No. 7450

lucky you having such a based friend

No. 7453

My tranny husband is currently arguing with me about my TERF beliefs lmao. Someone help me. I'm fucking retarded. Why did I marry him. Put me out of my misery. I'm so drunk and fucked

No. 7454

Divorce. The sooner the better

No. 7455

Get a divorce, nona, and don't listen to the idiot children on this website who will try to convince you that you are to blame or somehow deserve this. No one deserves to be trans widowed.

No. 7460

please read their stories. and don't have a kid

No. 7464

just repent and say
>you're so right, you're actually so womanly that I am not attracted to you any longer since I wanted a man, i couldn't possibly burden you, go be free and live your best life

and ask for a divorce. Make it believable though and not sarcastic or else he might murder you. But in any case get out of there males are dangerous when they feel disrespected.

No. 7468

Do and say whatever you need to stay safe, and consult a lawyer before you do anything like move out. Be strategic. It's over. Even if he detrans tomorrow, this shit is over.

No. 7477

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came across this twitter thread on peaking people. she suggests that the blunt facts + statistics approach isn't always best. what do you think?
this reminds me of how much i was put off vegans because of all the gruesome footage they share of what goes on in factory farms. i was annoyed at them for sharing the reality. it was only a more gentle and mentally appealing argument that cut through my cognitive bias. i think the same could apply here (except peak trans doesn't require a change in lifestyle for most people).

No. 7478

>so much sounds like fake news
I struggled with this and I feel like sharing links from non-mainstream sources is not persuasive to the unpeaked because other movements have their own specialist news pages known to post fake news. It doesn't appear authoritative.

No. 7480

very true. i try to use mainstream sources where possible and often times unrelated things that still prove a point, such as:
the word 'unisex' is more comfy than gender talk, for normies.

No. 7491

Gendies always assert that "queerness" itself is what leads people to criminality due to desperate circumstances resulting in an unwell mind. Is there any comparative reporting on comparative criminality rates in TiMs vs TiFs?

No. 7504

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wasn't sure whether to put this in the MtF thread or not. a man identifies as a woman, in order to become a 'mom' and win a custody battle. probably a MRA. troons are pissed because n-nooo you can only use gender ideology to abuse women as long as you pretend you are truly dysphoric.

also this man is clearly very confused about what trans even is because he says "I am not confused about my sexuality" so he probably assumes it's a gay thing, like most normies.


No. 7528

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blog, I need to air frustrations out with strangers.

In 2018 I met this scraggly man at a convention. He was okay to talk to, but suffered of nerd desperation that any other nerd-nonas may recognize. He loved Oyasumi Punpun and related to Punpun for example. Despite knowing I was in a long term relationship he still told me once after hanging out if he didn’t know I had someone else, he would have a crush on me. The works.

I’m used to dealing with “desperate” nerd males (mostly, just letting them know very bluntly that the uwu I’m so lonely girls don’t like me shtick is getting them bullied which gets them to drop the act), so I remained unfazed.

In early 2020 he and his girlfriend (yes, he had a girlfriend all along) arrived to a dinner I was hosting on my bday and he was wearing a ridiculous frilly flower dress over his jeans and under a hoodie. Very tacky, but I’m no stranger to fashion disasters. I just didn’t bring attention to it, because it felt attention seeking. The lockdown started briefly after.

Next time I knew of him he had changed his name to Tamara, and was wearing synthetic wigs clearly nabbed from his cosplayer girlfriend. He was still my friend at the time but I think he was part of my peaking, seeing his photos was so uncanny and he called all women around him “baby”, which is a common woman-to-woman term of endearment in that region, that is often used by very feminine, normie women for lack of better terms. It was disturbing how quick the troon-out was. His mom was a religious zealot and last I knew of him, he got kicked out of the house for his impulsive trooning out. The girlfriend also has an “open relationship” with him now, probably not wanting to stick to mentally ill dick. I tossed him off my friends list on FB because I found him too gross but my Nigel has him as a personal lolcow and every time I see photos of him in female character cosplay he is wearing makeup so botched it makes his male features stand out even more.

In 2019, I also met a female cosplayer at another convention, dressed as one of those moe girl pandering league of legends champions (Neeko). She was engaged at the time and in our conversations she was raving about her potential marriage and having children. Again, in a matter of months, he had trooned out and changed her name to Noah, despite being Latin American. She had the teet yeet mid-pandemic, paid out of pocket (per her own tiktok with cheesy royalty free music in pink light) while her mother was having cancer treatment.

I was never a hard handmaiden, but I think these two people broke me. “Noah” split from her fiancé and her IG username has “boy” in it and is a reference to Todoroki from MHA.

There’s no lesson to this, I’m just venting about two people in my life that make me want to nuke earth every time I know of them. Being in nerdy circles and seeing people fall to the cult because they’re lonely and autistic is exhausting, doubly so when you’re also autistic and a gnc woman

No. 7533

My TiF boss just hired another TiF and a TiM. Monday we meet the new employees. I am so tired of my brain breaking from playing the pronoun game. At this point I'd rather quit and work for normies or even fucking right tards than endure whatever gender diverse fuckery this job is about to become. I'm exhausted just thinking about it and the semester hasn't even started yet.

No. 7595

I’ve always wondered this, but can never get a straight anger from them. What defines “feeling like a woman” outside of biology to MTFs? And how does it translate to being one? I feel very masculine at times, both in childhood and adulthood. I was always a tomboy. For a long time, I related more to men than women. I’m also gnc as fuck, so people mistake me as male a lot. But I’m not male, I’m a woman. I often am told that I’m trans for feeling this way, but I would never want to be a man. Just a woman comfortable with her masculinity. I wonder what it is that makes them feel like they can’t enjoy feminine things, and that they have to be women

Sorry if this isn’t terfy enough to go here. I’m just very confused as to what “being a woman” is outside of biology, cause women are a huge spectrum

No. 7597

>straight anger from them
that's the one thing you can rely on them for kek.
but no i have never seen a straight answer either. and this "feeling" of being a woman - how do they verify that this is what being a woman feels like? why is it instantly valid? why does feminine = women when there are so many women like us who aren't particularly feminine in the stereotypical ways?
if it's enjoying wearing women's clothing, then why not just do that? plenty of gender non conforming men have and continue to do so. if it's because they're "gentle" and like "soft" things then why not just be a soft and gentle man? again, those men exist. if it's because they get turned on by the idea of having breasts and a vagina then why is it not immediately obvious that this is a fetish? and what makes them believe that their fetish needs to become their lived reality?
these are just a few of many questions that will never be addressed. it's 100% nonsensical, batshit insane and offensive on every level.

No. 7602

The concept of "tomboy" is what led to my becoming increasingly terfy. It really fucks with them.

Years ago, a moid tried to explain to me that I should start using nonbinary pronouns because I cut my hair short and have a motorcycle. He insisted it would be impossible to consider yourself a woman if you "present as nonbinary." To refer to yourself as woman if you're not actively doing stereotypically feminine things is wrong, confusing to others, and actively hurts trans people. He said I could help out trannies in their struggle by just admitting to myself that I'm enby, since obviously I was enby. That was the beginning of my peak, because hell no.

(He also tried the same shit on a friend of mine, who works as a carpenter. I ran into her recently, and it turns out he peaked her with his bullshit, too!!)

No. 7621

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>What defines “feeling like a woman” outside of biology

good feelings. happiness, euphoria, etc.

imo that's what every explanation boils down to even if they do initially vary. "gendered brains", being unable to reconcile their femininity with their maleness, internalized homophobia – it's all the same shit. solving these tough problems with HRT and "transitioning" makes them feel "good"…so that's what womanhood must be. it's "valid" because if it makes you feel good it must be good.

>if it's enjoying wearing women's clothing, then why not just do that? plenty of gender non conforming men have and continue to do so. if it's because they're "gentle" and like "soft" things then why not just be a soft and gentle man?

well i lurk /tttt/ a lot and some of it also wanting (female) beauty; ugly incel men or scrawny dudes think they'd make cute girls. or they don't want to grow as men who weren't blessed by the genetic lottery do, they long for a perceived ideal of "women"…hourglass curves or waif-like frames.

it doesn't help that, for gnc dudes, most clothing is simply not tailored to a male frame. nevermind that most clothing isn't even tailored to most FEMALE frames. a mentally ill dude who wants to be feminine is gonna put on a dress he saw a cute model wear, and just experience everything a wide-shouldered woman is going to. except this is 2023, and instead of maybe i dunno…putting in the effort to dress for his figure, he's gonna troon out because his dysphoria will say "you're a Man, that's why you look like shit"

i get that the above is a really sympathetic view of moids, but i'm more thinking of hsts men and not agps

No. 7622

>most clothing
*most feminine clothing

No. 7624

There’s this quiet sorrow I feel lately. A continuance of lesbian loneliness that I’ve become more aware of. It obviously extends outside of the lack of any lesbian community, culture and strength to just women’s spaces in general. To feeling pride towards womankind in general. To just getting to be a woman. I look towards women who are feeling so much shame and discomfort with their bodies and biology, that they are willing to risk their health and capacity for internal growth and acceptance to the allegedly transformational power of a medically approved hormone imbalance. This shit is suppressing women on a self induced level much like eating disorders have and continue to; oftentimes in tandem with gender dysphoria and trans ideology. We cannot defend ourselves or form a cohesive movement if we are too unwell to function.
It feels so isolating. Women are once again separated from each other in a way that is so insidious and stifling. We can’t publicly criticise the effects of this trans shit to other likeminded women without risking some aspect of our safety. We can’t push too hard towards our friends who are considering taking testosterone or highly questionable elective surgeries to consider that their are other ways to improve their inner lives and establish a secure, confident sense of self as women. I recognise I’m not alone in these experiences and observations but it’s just so shitty and sad. It’s like woman has become a dirty word.

No. 7633

I work in a very prominent town centre where I help run events. I used to work here many years ago where the ceo was a religious guy who told all lgbt organisations to fuck off, so I came back a few years later thinking it would be a similar chill vibe but no, the CEO is an art karen and all the heads of department are problematic women who see no problem hosting events with drag men. We've had multiple events with drag men in the square where we even had members of the public complain on our socials about how 'creepy' it was seeing the men come up the children. The videos on the screen included men kissing, humping the air, implying docking and showing their bare asses. However my company deleted all these comments and said in our team meeting that these are all just 'assholes' commenting. Including comments of a mother who complained that her child cried when one of the trannies yelled in her childs face.
We have another drag man event coming up and I am just sick and tired of working here. I am sick of promoting this disgusting shit, we have a 'trans pride' concert coming up too.
I don't understand why all the women I work with are so into this, they literally support all of this shit with so much passion, they make me think they hate themselves or something of the sort. They are so happy to have men put on 'woman face' and prance around like a bunch of demons. This does not feel progressive to me whatsoever. We even had an event of a female artist who used children to showcase angry political messages. I feel as though the line between trannies and ped0s is very blurred.
I hate working here, I hate supporting this shit, I hate that I have to faciliate with the promotion of idiocracy. This used to be a cool artistic place to work at, now it is run by women who gaslight you and scream in meetings about how good fag men are.
Fuck me.

No. 7635

That sounds like absolute hell. I’m so sorry. What sort of age are they all?

No. 7636

The women I work with you mean? They're between 30-45, I'm the youngest one there.
I was able to succeed in one battle where they wanted to promote a tranny show on our screen in the lead up for 2 weeks, I ignored them for 1 week acting all coy, and when they asked me where the video is I battled with them to make sure the video was only shown after 8pm. This video promoting the event was also showcasing men kissing, humping eachother etc. and the other women I brought this up to had the nerve to say 'oh we didn't see anything wrong with it we just liked how fun and glittery it was!'

No. 7637

Is there some sort of higher up you can complain to about them forcing you to show inappropriate material? There’s people dry humping each other etc. What country you in?

No. 7639

I probably won't reveal the country I'm in for doxxing purposes but I will say that its a western country, not america, but an anglo country nonetheless.
No I can't, because all the higher ups support this. The most recent drag event we ran was during the christmas events and one of the higher ups responded to the 'angry comments on social media' by saying that this is a 'normal way to celebrate christmas'. Mind you he has a young son.
The head of events and the head of marketing are both evil women who support this sort of shit in the first place. During the world cup, the head of marketing said we had to show a 'rainbow slide' before every game.
That's the type of people I work with.>>7637

No. 7694

It kind of just sounds like that guy thinks he has a right to try to control how women dress. Or he's using woke nonsense to try to.

No. 7697

This isn't a vent as much as me laughing my ass off at something. Holy shit this guy I know online got voted most degen in some server thing and came out as a trans woman a week later. You can't make this shit up

No. 7698

I just had to hear the most bullshit take ever. It said that XY masculine presenting nonbinaries are completely valid and welcome in lesbian spaces??? Because lesbians are not men???? Even though they look, act, walk and talk like men and don’t even try to pass as women. I hate trannies but at least they have a pitiful attempt at trying to be a woman.

I’m honestly not extreme enough for lolcow sometimes. I just don’t have it in me to care that much. I even overlook “non-binary” female lesbians because I honestly just think that they’re uncomfortable and afraid ti be women, but ultimately still are. But this??? This pissed me off

No. 7699

To be gender inclusive and because they’re are sexist shitheads there are men and non-men. To them men is the default. It’s absolutely asinine.

No. 7705

Why in the world are trannies such sexual degenerates even though HRT and "gender affirming surgeries" like chopping your balls off supposedly kills a male's sex drive

No. 7706

Absolutely do not ever give any “femboy” or tranny what they want. Don’t give them womens clothes or makeup tips, do not respect their creepy feminine names or pronouns, and especially never give them some kind of sexual gratification.

He is going to read into that as validation that a girl likes his “boobs” and he’s going to think he’s successfully infiltrated. He’ll also later jack off to the idea and brag about it on tranny Reddit. This place is full of “a girl validated me” stories here:

No. 7707

I've tried multiple talk therapists and none of them panned out, but the last one saw me one time and told me that I'm a tranny because I'm angry inside
I was mad and insulted by that but horrified that a therapist could see a person a single time and already try to convince them to do gender therapy
That exact thing happened to my best friend from middle/high school and she got on hormones within three months and got a fucking double mastectomy barely over a year later
I'm so angry and creeped out and depressed by this because clearly, if it happened to me and someone I know personally, then this is happening a lot and children and women prone to outside influence will be effected
If you saw me bitch on /ot/ yesterday, sorry, I'm still not going to listen to a scrote muslim doctor that wants to keep me in a barely functioning coma and has spoken to me for a grand total of 26 minutes of my life, so don't bother telling me to obey him again

No. 7708

That's so grim. I knew that shrinks are corrupt and vile but this is just a new level of low. Makes me think that they have deals with surgeons and purposefully groom victims into becoming clients.

No. 7714

Tell your story here.

No. 7715

I remember peaking when I identified as an enby years ago. I was so tired of sexism and people expecting me to do and not do things based on me being a female. I didn't want to change myself, I just wanted the sexism to end. This was such a shortlived genuine belief. I remember realizing so many of my other enby friends, mostly males I noticed, were getting off on confusing random strangers. They changed their appearances and it was such a big goal of theirs to make randos stop in their tracks and struggle to not offend them. And they celebrated anytime they were ""misgendered"" (it was usually a male getting ma'am'd) at work or something. I went on a big rant about how I don't want to be the opposite sex, but I'm sure many of us as human would wish it at one point because it's something we could never possibly achieve, but I just hate sexism so much and I can't believe someone would like to act on sexist stereotypes to convince strangers they are "literally" a certain sex. I got so much backlash from my male enby friends. I was quickly convinced I should apologize, even though this is something I said on a private account of about 14 people at the time. To them, it was like I committed a crime. After that, I still identified as enby, but deep down I knew these men were so wrong. Even as of recent, I ran into a couple female friends who identified as enby and they quickly showed how similar in radfem thought they were with me. It's insane.

No. 7716

One of the most bullshit takes I've ever heard from a TRA was that TIFs can't have internalized misogyny because "they are men, not women".

No. 7719

Always surprised by how close to cult tactics stories like this sound. Preying on people identified as vulnerable for the furthering of your own ideology.

No. 7721

It makes me wonder how many people go searching for talk therapists for gender issues and the therapist assumed the session would be one of those kinds. Either way, it's sickening he's complacent with gender therapy.

No. 7732

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I just had this dm'd to me after putting up a listing for old clothes i was giving away on fb marketplace… it'd be nice to believe it's just a struggling transwaman in need but i cannot overlook the asking for used thongs and lingerie

No. 7733

The fuck? Don’t know why people don’t wonder why these males think them being a woman means they are entitled to thongs, skirts, lingerie, dresses, heels etc when most women are happily walking around in neutral comfortable clothing. Tell him get a damn job and stop begging for other peoples clothing to jerk off to.

No. 7734

This and its variation "trans men have male privilege, thus power over tims", and also the good old "first woman to accomplish something is a tim" is what pushed me closer to peaking. Then I couldn't bear to hear any more bullshit from troons. Reading the gender critical thread is what did it for me, the final push, especially after someone posted a Magdalen Berns video (which made me watch all of her vids). It's funny because maybe that wouldn't have happened if the trans community didn't try to ignore and redefine biology and suppress wrongthink, then I wouldn't have tried to distance myself from them, it was them that made me not want to be part of this anymore. Magdalen Berns just made sense of what I was already thinking, gc threads just showed me what I already knew but we couldn't talk about.

No. 7740

Just like anons here pretend to be TIMs to get free shit, I wonder how many of these are just regular dudes wanting women's used panties.

No. 7767

You mean pissvortex? I've been hating that unfunny roach since 2019.
Sick of seeing argumate too, his little "rationalist tumblr" circle is teeming with some of the most sullen, resentful crypto-incels I've ever encountered. I enjoy radblr but tumblr funnymen are basically a cabal of sex-pest socialism bros and autists who confuse their lack of irl success with befriending normies as evidence of higher intellignce.
it was actually afloweroutofstone and his horrible mutual peteseeger that led me to hatereading terf blogs and then realizing that all of them were completely sensible. if it wasnt for peteseeger's larp as a butch translesbian i would have had no idea about cotton ceiling rhetoric, which was the final nail for me.

No. 7771

cotton ceiling was what did it for me too, it was so similar to what I heard from religious homophobes growing up. Even then I didn't notice until I mentioned it offhand to a straight person and they told me that nobody ever harassed them for their genital preferences. I got so fucking mad when I realized just how much I'd been had.

No. 7773

its male to its core, isn't it?
the man says, if you really thought i was a good guy, youd date me. youd love me. youd let me fuck you. the transwoman says if you really thought i was a woman, you date me, love me, fuck me, on and on.
i have zero libido anyways so i dont really care, but i just identify as straight rather than bi in my various circles, just to be a more high effort target. too much drama back in college when i was honest about my preferences. gay tifs larping as straight men leave me alone because of course they do. i try to imply to women i think are genuinely homosexual that if they were to perhaps turn down a tim or drop some terfy opinions theyd get no push back from me. im an artfag so i gotta listen for the silences and work in some of my own.
i truly carry a lot of gratitude for the lesbians in my life. i also think lesbians have contributed more than enough to women's lib to deserve to have their backs covered by the rest of us. genuinely sickens me how quick so-called feminists were to throw them under the bus.

No. 7794

I am once again angry at people claiming biological sex is a spectrum and really hard to determine while also being obsessed with passing and needing surgery to emulate the opposite sex or else they will die.

If sex is this fluid, ill-defined thing, how do trans people even know which hormones to take and which surgeries to get? How come the trans community doesn't talk about how little sense this makes and just continues to claim both that "gender affirming" treatments are lifesaving and that the sex characteristics these treatments emulate are meaningless? It drives me crazy.

No. 7843

Same. How anyone can see the "cotton ceiling" as anything other than an incel-manufactured justification for rape … it indicates to me just how brainwashed handmaidens are.

No. 7863

My husband has had AGDQ on all. Fucking. Week. Long, and for the most part it is tolerable, I just treat it as a livestream for an Autism Zoo or something like that.

Now and then though you get some really fucking ugly, screechy, uwu troons on the stream and the amount of braying they do about their autistic fixation on video games (and assertion 'ITS SHE/HER'!!!) just drives me up the wall. I straight up made him shut off the stream when it was an all-troon stream of Pokemon shit.

Thankfully my husband is understanding of my terven feelings and did so without a fuss. He doesn't like it when they get too screamy either.

Cult of the Lamb had an 'It/Its' TiF with a pedo stache and a helium frog voice and I felt so fucking sorry for her. Girl, fucking love yourself and get out of that community.

No. 7951

I absolutely hate how troons invade female spaces, but I hate it even more that they actively prey on children and teens. At this point if you look at ANY real data regarding transition you'd see that it doesn't add up at all and is really just a harmful placebo at best, and it will kill you (in painful ways) at worst. But of course they are science-deniers and refuse to look at studies that don't 100% agree with their own incorrect ideas.

I know people say it time and time again but they really do act exactly like a religious cult. They have a perverse worship the words of children as if a 2 year old knows more about the world than adults. They deny science, they shut down studies and speeches if they think it could challenge their view in any way. They can only hold their illogical views by believing contradictions, but will deny it or twist words until they have confused themselves enough to think it somehow makes sense.
They don't allow a single thought outside their tiny box, even if you're identifying as trans. They act like victims, preach about love and acceptance while threatening violence on everyone else.

No. 7955

It's been a month since I blocked a moid friend over supporting trans identified men and not giving a shit about women. He's an autist so no surprise that he thinks girldick is valid and belong in female spaces. I feel so free not having to bite my tongue over his misogynistic views again. He knows where I live though so sometimes I fear for my safety given that he is a moid.

I used to fear being called a terf or transphobe, now I don't flinch at the words. Yes I believe in women's, children's and gay people's rights, and?

No. 9254

I'm super excited about the upcoming hogwarts legacy game but I don't have a single mutual I can talk to about it… they're all posting about blocking people just for talking about the game, and saying you're supporting trans genocide if you buy it etc. It pisses me off so much!!! I want to retweet and like fanart and be openly excited but I have to stay silent because they're all so rabid and senseless for this one single thing. I can't even follow an artist if they make harry potter art, because then I'm suddenly sus. The only good part is they're learning that normies don't care about their boycott attempts. And companies will see that going against the trans cult actually won't get you cancelled and is profitable

No. 9262

I have a hard time with not posting how I really feel and avoiding liking the "wrong" posts too, just because I can't deal with worrying over someone going through my likes and getting into some huge stupid online drama. I don't know how to get over this, I know it's stupid really but my anxiety keeps me crypto kek

No. 9263

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I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if any of you already said it but why the FUCK are grown ass male trannies so obsessed with Serial Experiments Lain?? There's this mutual of mine who trooned out days after following me, he has an unhealthy obsession with Lain and his attempts at larping as her (or as a girl in general) are always an awful sight.
Another friend of mine (TiF) came out to me as trans some years ago while I was still into transmedicalism and assorted retardation. I introduced them to my current friend group even tho nobody really believes in trans shit anymore (and this person even knows about me being 100% insufferable towards it, but decided to ignore it apparently?). Despite that I care about them but I'm too scared of losing a valuable friendship, I wish they peak soon

No. 9264

I'm thinking about blocking this male friend I have as well. He is also an autist and a couple weeks ago he told me he wanted to become a “little anime girl”. I knew he was talking about dressing cutesy but I pretended to think that he wanted to be a loli. Then I shamed him for it and said it was giving off pedo vibes in hopes of sticking some sense into his failed male brain, which didn't work due to his shameless nature. I have another tranny “friend” and, honestly, I can't take another one.

No. 9267

They're obsessed with Lain because they're terminally online.

No. 9279

>I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if any of you already said it
This is a vent thread, doesn't matter if others have said it before you, just get those emotions out nona

Either they peak or go deeper into the trans hole. I would attempt to peak them and if it fails you have to abandon the sinking ship.

Do it nona! If you have anything incriminating such as "I want to be a little anime girl" and ignoring being called out as a pedo (big red flag), screenshot it all as proof before blocking. This way if you have mutual friends you can tell them this guy made you highly uncomfortable and have the proof to show if needed.

No. 9290

Was watching a stream for a game I like and the streamer and his chat got into an argument on why he won't play the new Harry Potter game coming out. People that I don't think have read any of her posts keep claiming she funds "anti-trans" organizations. I really don't get the world. OK, you don't agree and think transwomen are somehow women. Still, having some shelters where penis isn't allowed will somehow kill trannies on a worldwide scale? I almost wish it did honestly

No. 9294

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I recently decided to give a try to one of my childhood games which is Toontown, I used to love it as a kid. I knew about Toontown Rewritten for a while, I played it before, the last time was in 2018, but I felt nostalgic the other day to give it a try. What the hell happened in just a few years? Why is there a pronoun picker? Why is there items in the shop with the tranny flag? I always thought Toontown was a fairly niche interest, it makes me sad that now it's full of trannies and the dev team panders to them. It's even worse cuz they continue to advertise it as a child friendly MMO, but they promote children putting made up pronouns in their bio.

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No. 9297

I have to tell someone, I was recently hospitalized and while the doctor was talking to me about my living situation and social background he asked if my cat was male, female, or ‘their own gender’ and I was momentarily speechless lmao. Just why? What are we doing here?

No. 9307

that's so weird. I have also seen many people online call animals for "they" and even admitting that they think it's misgendering and animal cruelty to call an animal "it". I have only seen it online though so maybe it's a language thing. I'm from a culture where we very much love our dogs but even here calling pets for "it" is the norm. The most online thing though I have seen is people calling stuffed toys for "they" because it's apparently problematic to call a literal object for "it"

No. 9314

I'm so tired of woke culture and troons having everyone jumping through hoops talking to them without offending them, because there will ALWAYS be fucking SOMETHING for them to pick you apart for. I was at a party last year and a recently trooned out man (in of course fucking short leather skirt, thigh highs and kink collar) treated me like a fellow troon because I'm tall and he probably mistook my swollen thyroids (I have hypothyroidism) for an adam's apple, and I didn't dare to say anything because I knew it would open a can of worms of him possibly accusing me of transphobia for taking any sort of offence or correcting him.
I also used to love wearing (black) thigh highs, but trannies have ruined them for me.
My sister has also starting to become indoctrinated in woke culture where she needs to accept troons and other kinds of degenerates. I thought she wouldn't end up in that kind of circles because she only hangs out in dog sport communities but it appears they have invaded those as well.

No. 9315

Samefag, but I also fucking HATE how TRAs (and the FA community) tries to use the racism and "ableism" cards as well whenever they see fit. It's as if they want to add as many trigger words into their movement to have people comply.

No. 9325

I’ve been thinking recently of two ex-friends I met in middle school. Both one year older than me, one became TIF of FTM variety and the other became non-binary later. I knew them both for 4 years in total.
They cut contact with me because I was too “vanilla” for them when they became super fixated on their sexualities (I considered myself asexual, later dropped that label for being stupid and queer, even though I never saw myself as part of LGBT and still I’m not interested in sex or even relationship). They become so weird, it hurt me a lot then, we seemed to be like a group of outcast friends, understanding each other but with time I saw how they exposed me to unnerving shit. Losing both closest friends as a teenager made me devastated but with time I forgot about it and even felt that I’m grateful for that because I finally saw in a few months how dangerous the trans thing really is.
Now, the proper topic of my vent, I began to think what if they were groomed or traumatized, which I didn’t consider for a long time. First one, the FTM one, I knew she liked various ecchi stuff as a younger teenager, claimed to date various people online (even from faraway regions like Asia). Once she said she had online boyfriend from Thailand (?), don’t know if it was supported to be a real boyfriend or another trans one but I remember being surprised how quickly the relationship lasted. I also felt it’s strange she’s dating that way.
Second one, she told me once she witnessed “something terrible” but never told me what. If I remember vaguely this could be associated with a case of domestic abuse in a family of some girl she knew in primary school to which she was going.
I think they both possibly had some fucked up experiences and their reaction was to find comfort in occasional hypersexuality (or what felt like “too much” for me) or in translation because they subconsciously associated womanhood and girlhood with being weak, etc.
I still think they became insufferable and toxic at some point, due to queer stuff and personality changes but now I feel like I can see a bit where they could be coming from.
It saddens me that in reality, I couldn’t connect with my peers or with friends I had in other classes at school, because they turned out to be so damaged and society couldn’t help.
Both girls who don’t become trans and these who do, they’re often so left behind.
Last time I found online trace of the FTM one, she now goes by even different male name than she used when I knew her, different surname as well, and seems to be hanging out with a much older guy. Seems like a red flag to me.
It’s also possible the one who was NB dropped this act, has now some “chad” boyfriend but still might use some extroverted persona.
I’m torn between remembering how bitter I feel after having to experience such stuff at young age and losing people I considered my BFFs then, but part of me also wishes that they both might heal.
Now I’m not really caring about having friends or not, I was always a loner and that’s ok for me. While I have other nice relations with people, I wish I could understand more about what happened… And I feel disappointed that even school allowed this (one friend going by male name)…

No. 9332

They're porn addicted, weeaboo, computer science majors. She's an anime girl who is the personification of the internet in a "dark and intellectual" series.

No. 9344

In a college lit class last semester, one of my classmates gave a presentation about Phillis Wheatley. Throughout the presentation he referred to her as "they" and when the professor interrupted to ask why, he said we can't go back in time and ask what "their" actual gender was. Perhaps Phillis Wheatley identified as male or nonbinary. He was just trying to be "respectful." The fucking professor was like, "ah, that's fair" and let the kid continue. Clown world.

No. 9356

The woman behind the biggest Twitter profile page against troonerism unfortunately turned out to be ugly. I was wishing for a model-like white woman so much… It would make the troon's rage increase tenfold.

No. 9362

You mean libs of tiktok? Even if that were the case, TRAs will probably just double down on the notion that terfism is a privileged white woman thing or whatever, which is not the case at all.

No. 9363

Yes. The things she posts there are unbelievable, truly "there's no way this is really happening" inducing.
It makes me want to delete Twitter, I guess I'm addicted to seeing how fucked up things are.

No. 9365

Also, why "TERF"? She probably doesn't even call herself "feminist". Knowing that troons are living a lie and that this is being pushed down everyone's throats is just common sense. You don't need to be a feminist to acknowledge this, much less a radical one.

No. 9367

Just saw her picture. Feminine groomed woman with saloon styled hair and professional make up is still not hot enough for the moid who lurks on a feminist forum. Because fuck what work a woman has done all it matters is your unwashed penis.

No. 9369

I just saw a tif artist (who recently had a hysterectomy) on twitter answer an anonymous question that basically said
>"how are you not scared of getting early dementia and other common side effects from having a hysterectomy?"
and her answer was "it runs in my family so i already have/ would probably get these things anyway" and I want to scream. It's like knowing lung cancer runs in the family and you still make sure to smoke 10 packs daily, just for the aesthetic. How can you actually be this stupid to set yourself up for dementia when you're in your 30s. You won't even remember your stupid "gender dysphoria" when you're demented, you'll look down at your mutilated chest and scream wondering what horrible experiment they did to you. And the "female" caretakers they get to help your demented ass are now tims who do not have a good track record of not harassing female bodies, but speaking against it would be transphobic

No. 9370

Saw a pro-troon twitter post saying something like "can we all just agree there is no such thing as crossplay already" and I couldn't help but laugh because we used to move towards clothes being ungendered and for anyone until the troon ideology took over and said "female clothes = actual female". Troons hammered down on gendered clothes with titanium nails. And troon circles typically love drag queens, which is entirely based on stereotypes and gendered clothes. Y'all troons are the ones who did this.

No. 9375

>saloon styled
>professional make up
I'm talking about genetics.

No. 9386

I tried asking another variation of this in an lgbt space but basically got crucified. But here is different so I can ask this without being dogpiled

What is it exactly that seperates an “un transitioned trans woman” from a cis guy who just pretends to be female? I see these troons with full beards, short hair, male clothing be allowed into girls restrooms because they’re trans and just can’t transition yet. They compared it to women with PCOS not being allowed in girls restrooms for beards and male looking, which I sort of understood but still don’t like.

But what is it that seperates that from a man lying about being trans? There’s no way to identify if a man is a TIM, no identification or anything. It’s all by word of mouth from the person, and it’s so easy to lie about being trans. Isn’t that dangerous? Shouldn’t there be a standard? If they’re gonna be women, can’t they at least, you know, try to look like women??? Idk I have to be quiet about these sort of things cause I go to a liberal ass college, and even now am struggling to not use “inclusive” language cause it’s literally so grained into me

No. 9387

they're the same damn thing. creepy male predators invading female spaces and too damn lazy to even 'dress up' for it

No. 9392

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Dunno if this is the right thread for this, just needed to share.

I got roped into the whole trans movement when I was still pretty young (early high school) and identified as a transgender man for several years. I was totally comfortable with this, (probably due in part to me discovering all of this after being molested at a younger age and completely rejecting every aspect of my feminine body, as I'm now starting to figure out) and I identified as a trans man for around a decade. One day I woke up in the morning and my first thought was that I'm not really a man. Ever since that morning, saying I'm trans never felt right. I never came out aside from online, never did anything to further transition, just mentally told myself I was meant to be a man for years. Thankfully that made things a lot easier.

It's been a few years since I started referring to myself as a woman again and I really couldn't be happier. I feel like I've lost out on a lot of experiences I should have had, though. I kept my hair short, never bothered with makeup, I only wore Tshirts and jeans. My hair is very long now after having it in a short buzz-cut style for many years and I need to figure out how to style it. I don't know the first thing about makeup and I feel like I'm very shitty at it since I've barely practiced before.

Aside from all that, I'm happy. I've had a lot of shitty things happen to me ever since this revelation and I feel like a better person for it. I used to wish all the time I had a dick, I thought it would make everything so much easier. Even before I "detransed" (in quotations because I never really did anything to transition other than mentally) I had doubts about the Trans Rights movement, seeing AGPs set off alarm bells I didn't know I had wired. The TIM thread in snow helped peak me a lot. I know I don't need to make myself presentable to men, I work in a female dominated space and I know that just me is enough. Even so, relearning feminine traits and teaching myself things like how to style my hair, and how to take care of my skin, it makes me feel really good, especially when I see TIMs try to fetishize this about us and expect US to teach THEM how to be women. Now I just think to myself how happy I am to be born a woman.

That's really it, I just wanted to say thanks to AGPs and troons for making me snap out of this shit. To anyone still on the fence, it's ok. It's not too late to change your mind. I promise being a woman is not as bad as the world makes it out to be. You are you, and you are beautiful no matter what, and nobody can take that from you.

No. 9396

I got kicked out of my dog sport community for being a terf lol

No. 9398

>What is it exactly that seperates an “un transitioned trans woman” from a cis guy who just pretends to be female?
To give a serious answer
The transwoman (a man who identifies as a woman) is mentally ill in various ways:
A.actually thinks they are female (physically and/or mentally)
B.has one/several sexual fetishes entertained by transition (AGP, "tricking people", invading women's spaces, being degraded)
C.has past trauma (child sexual abuse or victim of homophobia)
D.has other mental illnesses/disorders that they have been convinced will be cured by transition (autism, OCD, bipolar, etc)
They don't need to match every category, but they typically match multiple of them. There are even transwomen who do know and admit (in their closed circles) that they are in fact gay men but they feel society treats them better if they are transwomen - and they are still considered equally trans by the trans community.

>But what is it that separates that from a man lying about being trans?

At a baseline the lying man ("cis", as you called it) is not mentally ill in that he doesn't actually think he IS a woman, the way a transwoman typically does. He just pretends to think it. But since we know some transwomen do know that they are men, perhaps the most accurate way to put it is that he doesn't identify as trans on his own free time. He simply does it temporarily, whereas the transwoman does it "full-time".

>it’s so easy to lie about being trans. Isn’t that dangerous?

Yes, this is extremely dangerous for women and it's in violation of our human rights as women. Transwomen are a variation of men - not a variation of women (that's why a "cis" woman can never be a transwoman). Neither group of men should be in women's spaces. If we let transwomen in because "they look like a woman" that is literally just discrimination based on appearance/attractiveness which is ridiculous and fucked up. Men who look like women should still go into the men's spaces. If they knowingly CHOSE to alter their body (surgery, hormones etc) in ways that put them at more risk of other men's violence that's a CHOICE they made that had nothing to do with women. It's like a man tattooed in the words "punch me" on his forehead and then says he should be allowed in the women's spaces because men keep punching him and the women who aren't as violent don't punch him. It's not on women to solve men being violent towards other men because of choices a man made.

>They compared it to women with PCOS not being allowed in girls restrooms for beards and male looking

In reality almost no single women with PCOS actually looks anything like a man at all. (In fact most women who identify as transmen and take hormones STILL look like women despite their best efforts). This has never really been an issue, ever.
Even then women with PCOS, unusual hair-growth or disabilities, or who are just looking very masculine, or heck who is just super ugly… ARE still women! It doesn't matter what they look like, it has never mattered what they look like, no one has ever questioned that - every woman has still gone into the women's spaces.

>There’s no way to identify if a man is a TIM, no identification or anything.

Bingo! Being "trans" is not physically real. It's a belief system, some call it a cult, spirituality or a religion. It's all unscientific ideas that can't be proven because they simply don't exist. You can scan a brain and physically see depression, but you can't scan it and see "being trans", because there is no unifying and identifiable factor.

No. 9399

What on earth, did you misgender a dog lmao

No. 9400

Love that for you nona! It's so nice to hear from women who detransed (no matter how little you did to transition), a lot of us have lost friends or family to trans ideology so just knowing it's possible to come back is refreshing. Is there anything you think would have helped you peak earlier? How would you peak a friend in your position?

No. 9404

Thanks nonnie. I'm really glad I came out of it, I used to hate looking feminine in any way and avoided all situations where I had to simply because I had learned that's what you do. I missed out on so much to trans ideology. I'm way more confident in myself and how I look now, it's funny how suicidal I was back when I identified as trans and now I feel like my whole outlook on life has changed. I'm happy!
>Is there anything you think would have helped you peak earlier?
Honestly, educating yourself and doing research on different viewpoints would have helped a lot. I know that's a bit counterproductive since I fully agree that trans ideology works like a cult where you cannot consider other opinions or practice critical thinking because the hivemind deems anyone not 100% on their side as wrong. But I remember coming across a "truscum" blog on tumblr during this time and read their explanation on how being trans is a mental disorder. Everyone I saw reacting to it was screaming to the heavens about how wrong they are but I was just here wondering, why are you booing her? She's right? So what if being trans is a mental disorder. It doesn't invalidate your existence. I agreed but kept those views to myself and it didn't bother me, so I guess I'm a bit of an outlier where while I still called myself trans I hadn't completely fallen down the pipeline. And the only reason I even found that blog in the first place was because everyone else was whining about how terrible and awful the things she was saying was, so I went to go look for myself. I really urge anyone to actually read into the opinions "terfs" and "truscum" share even if you feel like you'd be alienated for doing so. You don't have to share that you're doing it, and just because you're reading it doesn't mean you immediately agree with everything they say or are a bad person for doing so. But opening yourself to the views of others instead of self-reflecting/listening to the majority is not healthy in the slightest.
>How would you peak a friend in your position?
I'm actually working on this atm with a tif friend of mine who is already on the fence about a lot of social justice stuff currently. I feel like it's a lot easier nowadays with how outspoken tims are getting about their boners for violence against women. I've already opened conversation to other things, nothing trans related, just seeing what point she's at before I lose her for good since she really desires transitioning. I've been thinking about gently asking what she thinks about how people are reacting to anything related to JKR and showing her some tweets. Any other suggestions helpful.

No. 9408

I'm having a bit of a moment right now. It's just so fucked up that so many girls and women hate themselves so much they want to do anything to be less female. They think advocating for having your breasts removed is somehow a liberating thing, often not even to look more "male" but just to look more non-binary or genderless. But it's not "non-binary" it's just to look "more male" because they hate the female body so damn much and think the male is the default, or at the very least better than the female. There are so many people now saying "top surgery is for anyone", but none of them are saying "breast implants are for anyone" to look more non-binary. Everyone just hates the female body so god damn much, they just want to cut it up to be "less female" so it can be "better". Why does everyone always think hurting girls and women is justified and that it makes them and the world a better place? Why???

No. 9415

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I only follow aesthetic blogs on tumblr but sometimes they will reboot a text post that implies skirt= woman short hair=man or other stereotypes. I followed them back when I was a tra myself and I haven't bothered unfollowing them yet. I can't believe I was ok with that sort of bullshit for so long it's just gender roles. To be fair I do follow a specific type of trans people who are very supportive of "cis" woman not wearing makeup and skirts, and "cis" men wearing pink and skirts, without trying to pressure them into being trans. They are also supportive of trans women not wearing makeup and skirts and trans men wearing pink and skirts, so it might just be an extension of that. But it's so inconsistent because they will critise gender roles and how they are harmful towards "cis" women but at the same time they think they stop being women when they start speaking loudly and wear band tees. The trans movement contradict itself so much it cant exist without stereotypes.
I also hate myself for still wanting to validate these people. I'm not gonna tell an anorexic underweight woman that she is fat, I'm going to call a white koreaboo who claims to be asian for racist. But when people claim a different gender I feel bad about being honest with them. That's what years of repeating the same mantra does to you

No. 9416

i'm in a similar situation to you nona and i just want you to know you're not alone! i wish you all the best on your journey forward

No. 9420

Once I noticed how pornsick and complacently unwell all of the gendies in my life are, I couldn't go back. Desisting is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I feel in control of my life.

No. 9426

>Any other suggestions helpful
I'd watch some detrans content on youtube and send good ones to her. A lot of them are very sympathetic and well spoken and they know the ins and outs of the trans community and what transition is like. Most trans/TRAs are interested in reading/watching content about trans topics so you could send one and ask what her opinion on the video is while stressing that it's totally fine if she disagrees, but to specify what/why she does/doesn't agree with. Even if she were to disagree with everything it's a good way to start a more nuanced discussion to see where her mind is.

No. 9427

Annoyed as fuck that a tranny YouTuber named their “worst celebrity of 2022” as a tie between JKR and Kanye West and they should both kill themselves. Yes, a super charitable woman who thinks biological sex is real is just as reprehensible as an insane, abusive, Hitler-loving MAGA narcissist.

If she’s your biggest villain your obese drag queen looking ass has no concept of what it means to be oppressed, male.

No. 9428

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>Hermione remains a "she" despite artificially changing her appearance
Indeed she does.

No. 9429

My native language is very gendered and pretty much every other verb in second person is going to be feminine or masculine. This enby tif at uni asked me to use her 'pronouns' recently which means using retarded made up versions of verbs that don't even exist in our language. It's only a one letter difference ('o' instead of feminine 'a' or masculine 'e') but it sounds something a mentally challenged person from the country side would say. It's really common for nb tras to use that here though, I saw it online at some point but figured they wouldn't be this retarded and use it irl with strangers. Idek why she chose to ask me this because she doesn't say that to everyone, just a few chosen people. What made her think I'm one of them?? The way I dress? And she already had the audacity to have a talk with me because I forgot about that shit very quickly since we don't even talk outside of classes and used a feminine verb towards her jfc

No. 9430

They own themselves like this all the time, it's embarrassing really kek

JKR: opens a rape crisis centre for vulnerable women, advocates for gay people, women and children
Troons: "she is literally worse than Hitler and must die"

They clearly hate women, gay people and children

No. 9431

My native language is very gendered and pretty much every other verb in second person is going to be feminine or masculine. This enby tif at uni asked me to use her 'pronouns' recently which means using retarded made up versions of verbs that don't even exist in our language. It's only a one letter difference ('o' instead of feminine 'a' or masculine 'e') but it sounds something a mentally challenged person from the country side would say. It's really common for nb tras to use that here though, I saw it online at some point but figured they wouldn't be this retarded and use it irl with strangers. Idek why she chose to ask me this because she doesn't say that to everyone, just a few chosen people. What made her think I'm one of them?? The way I dress? And she already had the audacity to have a talk with me because I forgot about that shit very quickly since we don't even talk outside of classes and used a feminine verb towards her jfc

No. 9432

Tell her you respect her but it's too hard and annoying to change the way you speak so you won't. Either she can meet you halfway and respect that you feel that way and allow you to use your native language and use feminine words, or she can decide that she can't handle that and you won't speak to her anymore. She can't just demand you respect her feelings at your own inconvenience while she isn't respecting yours. Why does she get to dictate that you have to change the way you speak your native language

No. 9433

The transwoman (native canadian) who has been trending for seeking assisted suicide due to fucked up surgeries mentioned that he feels immense guilt for adding to the canadian native genocide by willingly sterilizing himself. That one hurt because it's true, trans ideology is a genocide on "unwanted" people by transitioning them. Gay people, GNC, minorities, autists and mentally ill people… they all get pushed to hormones and surgeries that leave them unable to ever pass their genes on. And then if they ever realize what happened they blame themselves because they "willingly" did it as if those leeches didn't know exactly what they were pushing on to them. God it's so fucked up.

No. 9434

Happy for you nona. Just remember that make up, styling your hair and such are not part of being a woman. The way you worded it as experiences you 'should have had' rubbed me the wrong way. I feel like a lot of women who desist/detransition fall into that line of thinking. It's perfectly fine to be a gnc women, they exist. Ofc you can choose to be feminine though. Good luck anon!

No. 9436

I’ve spoke to Duchess before. I don’t necessarily agree with him on all things but goddamn he’s been through a nightmare. Albeit a self imposed one.

No. 9447

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This is good, I haven't watched any detrans content before but I suppose it's a good idea for myself too to hear other's experiences. I don't think I'm at the point yet where I can send her stuff like that without her being put off by it, but we'll get to that point. I think she'll be receptive to it soon since I usually just bring up a topic of whatever current discourse is going on and she puts her opinions on the table first. She's very rational and level-headed, just got roped into it the same as I did.

I probably should have worded that a little better, but I was a bit drunk when I made that first post lol. I meant to bring up hair and makeup as a personal feeling, now that I'm interested in doing it I feel annoyed that I could have had a lot more time to practice and improve while I was younger. Oh well though, it's never too late and I am enjoying the process.

Best of luck to you as well nona! So happy to know there's others out there.

Thank you to everyone for the kind words and advice! I'm gonna stop here so I don't clog up the thread anymore but I'm glad I shared. Remember it may not be too late for any friends or family you have going through this as well. One day they may just quite literally wake up.

No. 9449

>I haven't watched any detrans content before but I suppose it's a good idea for myself too to hear other's experiences
Detrans videos helped peak me and they give me hope for the future. It also helped peak me that trans people attack them so viscously for "no reason" (to keep them from spreading the truth) it really made me wonder why until I watched them and they explained that they now know they had just been mentally ill and delusional and now feel like the trans ideology is a cult that tricked them into medically self-harming.
It was like the lightbulb turned on above my head and suddenly it made sense that all the trans people are going "reee don't even listen to detrans people, they are evil liars and grifters, make them shut up and kick them off the platform" just for sharing their own experiences, which often involved serious trauma. I don't think anything threatens trans ideology as much as detrans people speaking the truth does.

No. 9450

>I'm gonna stop here so I don't clog up the thread anymore
It's a vent thread, clog it up as much as you want and need nona, it's what it's here for!

No. 9453

I may be a esl but I hate western troons so much than my native ones just because I'm on twitter they seem to think I want to talk gender politics with them. They try to convince me that I'm actually a trans man and don't realize it (I have short hair due to medical issue's). Is being a woman with some masculine instrests make me a man? No. I just want to enjoy both things regardless of the gender restrictions.western gender norms are more abrasive and restrictive than my country. How do I stop them from engaging with me?

No. 9456

If you're not white just call them out for being racist, the woke west (mainly America) still usually fears being called racist lol. Either way you could flip it and call them out on why they think only men can have short hair or masculine interests. Then you can use whatever they say and call them transphobic for it kek

Another tactic is to play dumb using your country as an excuse, "we don't have that in my country", "that's a white ppl/American/western thing I don't know about it", "western ppl always try to colonize my country with their politics so I don't want to talk about it with you" etc

No. 9471

>Brother says there was a man in the bathroom, says he thought he was trying to put some cameras in it
>Second Brother- "Well did he identify as a woman"
>me- "Was it a man? no man should be in the bathroom"
>mom- Yeah

No. 9476

I didn’t feel strongly at all about “trans” people or gender until I gave birth to my daughter. I was flooded with what i can only call love- completely organically and with no conscious effort or thought involved. it attacked and overwhelmed me as quick and strong as being injected with a drug. it made me re-evaluate my relationship to my body/biology and also every relationship I’ve ever had my entire life. It seemed to me that love only exists at all in the world as an echo of this and only women have the biological capacity. It started making me angry seeing men in dresses larping this shallow libidinal projection of “femininity.” I had never really analyzed what being a woman really meant to me before that.

No. 9504

Hate when TRAs claim that TERFS and GCs have backwards view on gender for stating that being a woman is defined by our sex, because our oppression is linked to our sex. Which is true, and trying to obfuscate this reality only hinders our progress from liberating ourselves from the patriarchy. Then they'll claim that
It's such a DARVO tactic because you know deep down that's actually how they view women. TRAs are so disingenuous.

No. 9507


Thx for explaining. This genuinely clicked something in me that I didn’t see before. I’m still getting out of the troon cult, so I’m looking here for both venting and education

No. 9508

I'm steaming mad, they're trying to jam MORE transgender-affirming content into the medical school curriculum. Getting fuckin standardized testing on how well we can convince a father that his son's a woman! The fucker's backstory is even "went to art school and came back transgender"! Even scolded for not she/her or they/them-ing him to the father character! The instructor had the gall to say to me that "I'm sure you don't get much exposure to transgender issues" when I HAVE, in REAL LIFE, with many of the classic archetypes!

No. 9509

But on the bright side I did have classmates confess they're fed up with trans issues. The problem is that most of them cite the bible as their reasoning…

No. 9510

im happy 2x is open so i have a place to try to put my thoughts into words

my issue with transgenderism comes from this idea that there should be any real link between genitalia and gender identity. like ok - let's say you're a man, and you grow up among men, etc etc, and you feel like something is 'off'. one day you decide to transition. well, what is this inherent quality of womanhood that will 'fix' you? no matter how you look at it its agp or mental illness. if you're a man and want to wear dresses and makeup that's fine! but that shouldn't make you a woman, because thats just saying that women have to act a certain way in order to exist as women. being a woman is literally just being born into a female body, and having to live in that body. gender roles as a whole are harmful and all the transgender movement does is promote it while at the same time telling you that gender somehow doesn't exist.
like if you put humans in a vacuum with no outside influences and reduced us to primitive societies, theres no way trannies would exist!! im not saying those societies were better bc im sure women were also treated like shit, but i don't believe most trannies today would exist if not for social conditioning

No. 9517

A lot of us were in the cult before so we know what it's like. Thoughts like >>9398 were swirling in my mind but no one on the trans side tried to actually answer the questions seriosuly (because they can't without ending up on "bigoted" answers), they just call you a bigot and act like the answer is super obvious like "because a transwoman is a woman, and a cis man is a man, duh!!!" as if that makes any sense when they could literally be identical male twins, neither of them even trying to transistion. We're still told one IS a woman, because he says so.
TRAs are afraid to think deeper and instead accept impossible opposites to be true at the same time just so they can avoid those uncomfortable truths. For me it all finally clicked when I realized they perfectly mimick religion/cults in how they act and think. People weren't just saying it to mock them, they really do function that way.

No. 9518

Can you complain to some boss/person in power? Possibly even go together with the others who are fed up, or you could all write separate complaints so they know many people have an issue with it. Cite that everything said is unscientific and link some studies etc

On the religious side, I'm not a fan of any religion but it still is protected by law and you can use that. Freedom of religion means you are free to perform your religion, AND you are free to NOT perform religion. There is no physical proof of transness or gender, menaing it's a spiritual/religious belief. "I just feel this is true for me" with no proof, is a form religion. Every single religion is convinced they are the only ones with the truth. While you can't stop them from making the claims, you are legally allowed to NOT perform their religion. You don't need to avoid pork because muslims says you have to, you don't have to pray to jesus and stone women to death because the bible says so, you don't have to accept the hinduism cast system and insist that some people are below/above you because they were reincarnated that way due to past sins, you don't have to accept a furry as a literal dog and accept them running around naked and humping people's legs, you DO NOT need to accept males can be women and to use their preferred pronouns.

You are not being disrespectful of a muslim colleague if you eat bacon in the lunch room with them. You are not being disrespectful if you keep eating as another says their daily prayer to Jesus. You are not being disrespectful calling a person of the male sex he/him when that is just how language works and "he/him" are not slurs or bad words.

No. 9520

TRAs are really trying to make it out like all of their opposers are actually secretly old conservatives who are misogynistic, homophobic and racist. It's what will be their downfall, because most people who oppose it are women, LGB and minorities who aren't conservative at all but simply fed up with how the trans ideology treats us… with their misogyny, homophobia and racism. Conservatives are often also against it by default, but they're not usually the ones who oppose it with words and actions the way "terfs" do.

If "women are women becuase of their sex" makes you think "oh so you think women are fuck holes and baby makers" than that's because YOU think that's all the female sex is. To us normal sane people the female sex is just a biological reality.

No. 9527

my sister in law is best friends with a troon, and I'm worried that we'll have to spend time around them with my young child. It's a hard one to navigate because the easiest solution is to just say X is a woman, my kid is young enough to not really tell the difference. But that goes against A) everything I believe, and B) I fear will imprint upon my child that troons are women. If they were older I could explain that X has a mental illness that makes him dress funny, but that's too deep of a concept for my child's age. What would you all do, other than avoid the troon at all costs?

No. 9528

I think you put it into words well. I heard a TiM say once: "I knew I couldn't possibly be a dude because I feel so much empathy toward other people, I enjoy cooking and cleaning, and I liked playing with dolls instead of toy guns/cars when I was a kid."

That is so very, very fucking fucked up and harmful. Why can't the people (governments, schools, the sports world, EVERYONE) shilling gendershit see that? By transitioning, this guy was only reinforcing the millenia-old brainwashing that men are not allowed to feel empathy, and only women can comfortably assume domestic roles. It also implies that little girls who happen to like playing cars and action figures must actually be little boys deep down – because for some reason it doesn't sense for a kid to just like what she likes.

It fucks with me every day, especially since I work with 3 TiFs! It makes me feel like they see me as a series of stereotypes instead of a real person.

No. 9529

I do daydream about it… But it's Tranada, HR and the student union put out pro-Twitter-cause-of-the-day statements, an AGP gives the LGBTQIAK (Kink) lecture, and these new changes are spearheaded by a guy who might be gay. Not sure what I can do against so much resistance.

No. 9533

I want this wave to crest so bad. the more women I see mutilate themselves, the more men I see forcing people to play along with their sick porn fantasies, the more people I see get fired, alienated, or otherwise isolated for expressing even the slightest wrongthink regarding tranny shit, the more I can’t believe this is the world I’m living in. I’m praying this bullshit naturally reaches its end as trans becomes something uncool that the older generation does, as trannies age and become crippled monstrosities, as more people detransition. I’m just so done, I never want to see another perverted man in a dress again.

No. 9535

There's a girl I'm more or less just online mutuals with that I chat with occasionally because we have a few hobbies in common and she seems generally nice to be around, but recently she went through this WHOLE thing about how she's a lesbian now and she can't be with a man again and she only likes women (she was bisexual before, I believe).
Her first "girlfriend" after coming to terms with being a "lesbian"? A TiM. Who she calls her "butch" because he's just a man with long hair that dresses like a man. Disgusting. I like her too much to a-log but she's absolutely steeped in tranny bullshit and I fucking gagged.

No. 9545

bigender "gay" people anger me so heavily. any gender person that calls themselves gay is so fucking predatory but they're the worst somehow.

what are you gonna do if you find a gay guy you like? switch your pronouns to "he/him" and invade his fucking space? kill yourself a million times

No. 9549

i've noticed they have a special hatred towards black women, since trannies love to use them as a rhetorical tool against liberals

No. 9557

If you're brave enough you could try to peak her by poiting out why dating women is so much better and use examples you know a moid would never do. Act like you think her gf is an actual woman, so it would be transphobic to assume she acts like a man and not do the women specific things. She will have to face that her "girlfriend" has none of the good traits of women despite "being one". Works better if you're at least bi so it will seem more credible, but you could always claim you have lesbian/bi friends who have told you all about it.

Example, women statistically do most of the boring housework and troons are the most spoiled kind of mento exist, so we know she'll always be cleaning up his messes. So you can say something like "isn't it nice to have a gf bc they actually clean after themselves, unlike men". "Gf are so much nicer because they don't just sit and play games all day long with no other aspirations in life like men" kek

No. 9558

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The biggest thing that contributed to my overall peak is the fact that my father was a world class athlete. I had competed in sports for most of my life and always felt a deep seated frustration that no amount of training would amount to me being capable of what he or other men could. It has ALWAYS pissed me the fuck off. Sports have been sex segregated for a reason and everyone knew why. Seeing a moid stand on the podium is the most rage inducing thing I've ever witnessed. In recent months I have gently brought up this topic of TIMs in sports to my family and some friends and found that they agreed with me- which was a relief. Get them the fuck out of our competitions (and clinics, bathrooms, unearned positions, earth etc.) I will commit time to protecting women's sports from allowing this.

Last night when I saw that Finnish opening ceremony for figure skating, that graceless, hideous troon on ice floundering around all for representation's sake…it made me lose it tbh. Let that clown moment peak even more people. holy shit I'm done with it all. Thank you all for bringing clarity to me this past year and providing some laughs to help deal with the heinous nonsense we deal with as women.

No. 9565

>I had competed in sports for most of my life and always felt a deep seated frustration that no amount of training would amount to me being capable of what he or other men could.
So many men can't achieve anything in sports either, there are tons of physically and mentally disabled men in the world who simply can't do sports at all despite being part of the bigger and stronger sex. Personally I don't mind because there's no need to be the strongest if you're the smartest and girls always outperform boys in school kek

With that said I really wish they'd all stop pandering to putting troons in women's sports, it's simply cheating and unfair. Even male only sports like boxing have weight classes because even just height/weight being a little different in men makes them unmatched to each other. A 70kg man against a 90kg man would be considered absuredly unfair, but when the 90kg man decides he wants to play another sport against 60kg women he's suddenly oh so weak from estrogen and it's totally fair!!! Fucking ridiculous.

No. 9566

Avoid troon at all cost. If a child is small enough to not really know the difference there's probably no harm in them thinking it's a woman, or a man in funny clothes. A lot of very small kids really only see the clothes, they might think a butch woman is a man or a normal looking guy with long hair is a woman. It most likely won't register at all because they're just a strange adult they couldn't give a fuck about.
When they get a little older you could start by asking them if they think that person was a man or a woman (after leaving so he can't hear of course) and take it from there.

No. 9567

Just tell her "that is a man in a dress. He is mentally ill and you shouldn't talk to him." Then ask your sister why she, as a mother, would want such a creature near any child. Stop being a scrote ass coward.

No. 9569

>I saw that Finnish opening ceremony for figure skating, that graceless, hideous troon on ice floundering around

good thing figure skating is one thing they cant brute force their way into. mens skeletons just cant.

No. 9570

KEK the video is worse than it sounds. 30 seconds in

No. 9575

Tried telling my "friends" about how I was groomed by my tranny brother and a tranny ex and all they cared about was me misgendering, and then them saying its 2023 and to get pronouns correct. I won't be talking to these people anymore. I wanted to vent to them and maybe see if some are peak but I got my answer. Yikes.

No. 9579

Holy fucking kek, I can't believe this is real. It's too ridiculous!

No. 9582

holy shit. the freak can't even stay upright, fucking incredible.

No. 9593

I'm dying, I didn't know he was THAT bad. The bar for a real woman would never be that low. Men are living on easy mode.

Make sure you tell you don't want to stay in touch with them anymore because they care about fake pronouns of literal male groomers more than their vulnerable female victims, victims who were supposedly their friend. It's 2023 they should stop denying science to protect the imagined feelings of predatory men they've never even met.

No. 9594

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This was posted in the Mtf thread and I felt like sperging out on it because he is such a typical case, but I don't want to spam that thread so I'm doing it here instead.
A small troon case study.

These people are so frighteningly brainwashed. This guy is in his early 20s. First thing to note is the mandatory "I don't regret this at all, it totally saved my life", which they will all say to protect themselves from hatred from the trans community, and to convince themselves that this botched surgery wasn't a mistake.
>"i love having a vagina and it's waaay better than what i had before"
but in the same breath he says
>"can't have sex"
>"can't dilate because it's just too painful and I bleed"
>"has no pleasurable sensation in the cavity"
Why would you have any kind of good sensation in your cut up, scarred, mutilated inverted penis that is only kept open by very painful force? But he is realizing here that he can't actually have sex, despite the single function of the inverted penis surgery being for other penises to be able to penetrate it, for checks notes validation. Anyone would be able to figure that out, unless they were mentally ill and repeatedly told biology isn't real but evil lies made up by bigots. It was probably JKR who made it up.

>"self harmed for the first time in 40 days because i feel so bad"

This implies he thinks 40 days without self harm is a long time, and that his surgery did nothing to stop his urges or actions of self harm. Did therapists, psychologists, doctors and surgeons know that he has a self harm problem, a severe mental health issue, and still let him do the surgery? (Yes, yes they did.)

>"I wish I had gone to a different surgeon"

It's not the surgeons, it's the fact that you are a man who tried to have your penis turned into a fuckable cavity. No surgeon can ever do it, it never works, good srs results don't exist! Even the tranny porn is all fake, they don't enjoy it either but their job is to make you think they do. Blaming the surgeon is just a way for you to affirm that you were never wrong and sold a lie. God these people are tragically stupid and brainwashed.

No. 9595

Had to look up more to kek at, but this is just sad. The constipated expression from trying to stay balanced throughout the whole thing is the cherry on top.

No. 9599

Anons in the MtF thread were ranting about past trans friends they used to have and I remember this TIM I used to be friends with whom I thought was "one of the good ones." He was complaining about how troons in the trans community are inconsiderate for talking about loving their girl dick and how lesbians who don't want their dick are transphobic. Which I agreed with. But guess what, he think it's inconsiderate because it "triggers his bottom dysphoria" and his "penisphobia" because of course he's a heckin valid lesbian. And not because you know… it's inconsiderate towards the real lesbians who's been harassed all their lives for not trying and wanting dick. Trannies are the most narcissistic and self-centered group of people. Even the "good ones" will show their troon colors eventually.

No. 9602

Sometimes I wonder if I overestimated my girl friends…
I can see why a girl friend of mine, after getting out of a 8 year relationship, would troon out to "rediscover" her true self, whatever the fuck does that mean anyway, but seeing another one? It's odd. They're also touching 30s, they should have already grew out of this shit. One of them said that she wanted to "kill" the girl she was when she was in a relationship…it's strange, nonsense but mostly sad. What happened to actually redescover urself without lifelong treatment? What about embrancing your experience and learning from it? Jesus….

No. 9614

>One of them said that she wanted to "kill" the girl she was when she was in a relationship
Just tell her that's fucked up and stupid, you can't run from your past by putting on a costume

No. 9615

I've had to come to terms with the fact that there are no "good ones" when it comes to the trans ideology. It's like saying there are good racists, their beliefs based on their own feelings and fears hurt other people by default.
It doesn't mean all of them are fully degenerate, some are really just trying to escape trauma or pain. But it's just not ok to hurt everyone else just to escape your own pain. The "good ones" are really just quiet about their harmful thoughts.

If they were truly and honestly a "good one" they'd come to the conclusion that men should be allowed to wear makeup and dresses and be as feminine as they want and still be accepted as men. And that by calling that man a woman, even if he accepts not being allowed in female spaces and that his biology is still male, that is just reinforcing the gender stereotypes that said he can't enjoy those feminine things because he's male in the first place, and that women shouldn't be allowed to have female-only words for themselves but must include males somehow. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

No. 9622

I hate how troons reshaped our language:

You can't say "woman", you have to say "non men"
But you can say "men"
You can't say "woman", you have to say "people with uteruses"
But you can say "men".
My language is heavy gendered and now we have to make an unnatural sound at the end of our words otherwise people will take themselves hostage because you're doing "hate speech."

My existence is not hate speech, you emotional cockroaches.

No. 9623

That's such bullshit, they don't have the authority to change your native language and how people speak it. It's all performative bs anyway. My country introduced a third gender neutral option to go with she/he and none of the genderspecials even use it, because they only ever live online in their fantasy world. These people will put they/xe/faeself in their bios and cancel people for using the wrong one on twitter, but irl they're too scared to even tell their own mother whose basement they probably live in. I think our salvage is that because our genderspecials speak English and parrot America and the English speaking world they end up neglecting it locally to instead yell about JKR and Trump, who both don't have anything at all to do with this country.

No. 9644

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I absolutely can't with TRAs anymore. If someone posted self-harm scars, would it be consider validating? I just don't see what the difference between doing something like cutting yourself vs. having perfectly viable skin tissue removed to make a fake and completely unfunctional flesh tube sewed onto your stomach/crotch area. I fucking hate terms like "ableism". It's just another way to gaslight the conversation at hand. Is it viable? Is it actually helping? After every testimony that's come out about how dangerous and insane these surgeries are, even with the TRAs that don't detransition after the aftermath, it's somehow still the "terves" a.k.a women's fault.

Hate this shit.

No. 9650

I don't think they see the whole picture of what is going on here. People are not saying that the scars just look gross and horrifying (but it does), it's perfectly natural and valid to be horrified by great harm having been done to a human body. But the actually horrifying thing is that these girls and women hate themselves and the female body so much they've been convinced the ONLY way to correct it and feel better is by physically harming it. They have a deeply rooted belief that female bodies improve if you harm them and it's lead to them permanently disabling their arms like this (as it can't ever heal and go back to the state it was before) just to have a fake non-functioning tube that's supposed to mimic a dick attached to their crotch - to supposedly heal their mental problems. If anything it's ableism to pay to have your body medically harmed because of your own vanity and fragile ego.

No. 9658

I don't know why I argue with TRA anymore. These people are either blind, very dumb or just brainwashed.

No. 9659

my closest male friend is probably going to troon out.
i love the guy. i find him pretty annoying and autistic at times but he has a good heart and has always helped me when he was able to. over the 4 years i've known him, i've tried to talk him out of it whenever he's expressed anything about wanting to troon out. stuff like admiring women, thinking it would be better to be a woman, thinking women look cute in x and wanting to be cute like that. i tell him that growing up as a woman is fucking tough and there's so much stuff we have to deal with that isn't a passing thought for most men. i also tell him stuff like x isn't gendered female and it's pretty sexist to pretend it is.
i've even expressed my disgust for 'sex work' and have voiced my respect for JKR several times due to her often under reported philanthropy. I EVEN SAID THAT HER ESSAY WASN'T BAD OR RUDE AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIG DEAL WAS and she was getting way too much shit for it.
i've told him that he seems depressed and he seems to be looking at it as a form of escapism and he should try his best to fix that instead of thinking of some other option recently. the other day he made a comment about a machine changing his gender and i just ignored it because again, anyone who is somewhat perceptive would pick up that i'm not supportive of it a all.
it's difficult because he is a good person. just meets my expectations of how the friendlier, straight trannies are like – hearing what they want to hear, and not realizing that this is the new form of escapism.
also not to mention, a lot of his DND friends are trannies – there's even a TIM and TIF couple. that's why i don't play DND fuck that shit.
literally a year ago, i told my partner that i'm going to need to distance myself because i can't be friends with someone who is starting their transition. being an acquaintance of someone who has been transitioned for years is no big deal to me. but i'll feel like i'm enabling it if we're friends while he's trooning out.
on the bright side, we come from a country where there's an infamous waiting list to transition. i've moved out of that country, hopefully permanently now so i guess the relationship will fade.
i really wish i could help him see the light but he just hears what he wants to hear.

No. 9660

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What is it with troons and D&D? Before, the average TTRPG groups used to be like four obnoxious nerd guys and maybe a pickme nerd girl. Now it's the same thing except one or two of the guys are nonbinary wankers and/or MTFs and the girl is a he/they any/all disaster. To suit this terminally online set, all the games are now held online through fucking Discord and virtual tabletops, which are an abomination but that's another rant. Now that we can't see each others' faces, the default pronoun for anyone is "they" and that pisses me off because I have an ambiguous pfp and username but an unambiguously female voice. Invariably the male members end up referring to me as "she," but the TIFs persist. Pronouns are part of every introductory post. Even fucking player characters get pronouns, and people spend more time creating elaborate backstories and/or optimizing their characters than actually playing the fucking game. Hell, some of them aren't even playing D and fucking D, they're just making """in-character""" quips and tossing dice around with their friends for five hours, and when they get to a real game they have little to no idea how any of the rules work. I am sick of the backstories, the reader's theatre, the minmaxing, the stupid online games, the bizarre social codes, all of it. Literally all I want to do is to run or play a proper pen-and-paper goddamn dungeon crawl where actions have consequences and combat isn't the only time player characters have agency and it doesn't fucking matter what gender you or your dumbass PC are because what matters is the dungeon delving.

No. 9663

the double standards considering scars is so damn annoying. I've got self-harm scars, healed, all over my body, I won't hide them as I can't help it anymore but some people look at me like I will murder them, most people gladly ignore it. Still, if I would have certain jobs it would be inappropriate to go sleeveless, no one tells me how brave I am, no one tells me how beautiful my scars are, no one would tell me that it was the right choice to feel okay again or to cure my mental illness (it wasn't and it didn't) and no health professional would hand out razors blades or steri stripes to me paid by my health insurance, health professionals would rather avoid me because I must have bpd (I don't) and no one wants to deal with that shit. And if I post pictures of my healed scars on social media there is a high possibility that my account gets banned or my pictures will be blurred out. So the form of self-hate I chose is wrong, but ruining your whole body beyond function is the right choice if you hate your body, no matter if woman or man.

>they have a deeply rooted belief that female bodies improve if you harm them
I think that this is one very fitting statment and it's not only visible with TRAs, it's visible withing EDs, self-harm, plastic surgery, even drugs, you hurt your body, because you always learned that there is something wrong about the female body, no matter what and the only way to get out of it, is to change something, even though it won't do shit and you are still stuck in your body, as a woman.

No. 9664

this is part of the reason why i don't play D&D. i love old computer games that attempt to mimic a TTRPG experience and i've been invited to play with a few groups. it makes sense that i'd enjoy it but i don't want to play with any of my friends' groups since i don't want to play with a bunch of dudes or worse, dudes who LARP as women. i played maybe two sessions irl pre-2020 but our group didn't stick together and i couldn't get another girl to join so i didn't see much point in continuing. especially since the DM spoke on behalf of a non binary bitch i hated and kept on using 'THEY' in the most jarring way.
it's funny that you mention the pick-me's trooning out. every single girl that i tried to invite to the aforementioned group are now at the very least a she/they. covid really ruined everything but i guess those girls were diagnosed BPD so it was bound to happen in this social climate.
i would love to play D&D in an all girl group. i don't think it's possible with my current lifestyle but it makes me happy to imagine a group of girls being able to enjoy their hobby free from weirdo fetishists.

No. 9665


One of the few moments I am thankful for being in a backwater country where this whole gender debate is still a niche I can avoid.

It sucked that you had to deal with this stuff - if it had been me I would have just given up on playing online as well.

I ended up DMing for only close friends I trust face-to-face, and I got very picky with my players to avoid shit. Sucks that I got my start as a player online, and all the potential the platforms may have to connect people is squandered by … well, people.

If you still want to play, I would honestly recommend trying a different system that's less popular and play locally, irl only. Even Pathfinder is marginally better by pure virtue of not being the "cool" thing for gendies to do.

No. 9666


oh god, playing with all girls would be fucking awesome. I'd give my left tit to find a group that would stick that's not a sausage party.

No. 9669

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>If you still want to play, I would honestly recommend trying a different system that's less popular and play locally, irl only. Even Pathfinder is marginally better by pure virtue of not being the "cool" thing for gendies to do.
doesn't pathfinder have a transgender dwarf in it? i'm sure it doesn't matter having a small group with normal people but i feel like the weirdos will eventually catch onto it and we'll get some bizarre new edition with hamfisted queer shit. kind of like vampire: the masquerade, which is another once-great RPG that inspired a really epic computer RPG (bloodlines) and a sequel that will most likely suck if it ever comes out

No. 9681

Similar situation happening to my partner's brother, who is coming up on a year of HRT but still hasn't asked anyone to use a different name/pronouns or even had a job since March 2020. He's of course scared to get one now, and he's in his mid-20s. Does he think his sibling and I will be footing the bill for him to be a terminally online degenerate when mommy stops paying or dies?

It seems once they get in with an online group like that they each fall to troonism one by one like dominoes. The DND comment makes me sad, as it is very difficult to find online games now that have your regular nerdy assortment sans some flavor of genderspecial who talks too much. I just like telling stories, I don't want to play with someone constantly looking for things to fuck, and that was already an issue with the moids in that space.

I guess my situation and years of asking a lot of the same questions discussed here over my tumblr years while passively handmaidening is peaking me. This shit never made sense. That plus reading what JKR has actually said and done and thinking it quite low on the scale of things to be offended about when viewed from a troon perspective.

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I sure hope my state passes their ban on transing children especially after suicide baiting the fucking state government today!!! Fuck!!!! I hate tranny suicide baiting so fucking much it's unreal!!!!!!!!

No. 9684

>because you always learned that there is something wrong about the female body
Same old misogyny leading to girls hating themselves.
Wile makeup comes with some downsides too (especially in the age of photo editing and instamodels) I honestly think for most girls it is a mostly healthy outlet of this need to change and improve yourself girls feel. At least it's not actively self-harming.

No. 9685

Sounds like you did your best nona.
>i'll feel like i'm enabling it if we're friends while he's trooning out.
I would tell him this clearly if he starts trooning out. He'll be upset in the moment but when he comes to his senses in a couple of years he can't say no one tried to stop him.

No. 9692

>or even had a job since March 2020.
this is the exact same situation as my friend (ayrt) i met him through a shitty job we had. he managed to get really lucky and hand picked to move to another department that was significantly cushier than the job that he started with (and i continued with) then when they were moving him back to the original stream and they started retraining him so he could probably move to the same department as me, he ended up quitting since our government essentially doubled unemployment due to COVID. the new rate was a few hundred less than working would give and he didn't have to work so he chose to go down that route.
he said stuff about 'muh mental health' and i told him that he needs to be looking for jobs, sorting out his health or learning new skills because the increase wouldn't last forever.
he didn't end up doing any of those things and was unemployed until last year long after they reduced the increase but to his credit he did start taking some classes but cried about muh adhd. i found him extremely irritating during this stage since he barely did anything about his adhd and got upset that his therapist dismissed him for it and wouldn't refer him. i told him to go to his regular doctor who did give him a referral but our country charges $$$$$$$ to get an adhd diagnosis from a psychiatrist… unfortunately he chose instant gratification over getting treatment for something that he claims to be so crippling. apparently that's an adhd thing. i think that's a being retarded idiot thing. (PL: my case for adhd is a lot more compelling to him since i failed out of school while he has a degree but what do i know haha)
eventually he got a job that was great. pay was way better than our old job and the work was significantly less stressful… until he decided to be epic and kick rocks while on duty. they then sent a site-wide email reminding employees to not to visibly fuck around when not on break, and also stuff about personal appearance and hygiene. the hygiene part and uniform parts were bolded even. he apparently was taken aside and told that the breakroom stuff was about him (probably the hygiene stuff and uniform stuff too but he hasn't stunk around me tbf) then he got fired two months later.
anyway soooo back on unemployment and he recently got another job after a 7+ month long break. but this one is too stressful for him because it's court transcription work and they cover some heavy topics like CSA so he'll probably quit soon. also his adhd distracts him too much at home. fair enough but maybe look at treating your adhd first… maybe?
(will probably wear a dress instead of treating his adhd, depression or other issues. i'll keep you ladies updated if anything juicy happens)

No. 9693

I really relate to this, also was an avid user of tumblr and similar "woke" pages since I was like 11 or 12 (talk about the wonders of internet access since primary school) and I was forced to use the neopronouns and drink the trans kool-aid all until my edgelord phase, which, ironically, stemmed from watching SJW cringe compilations from youtube. (I promise I have distanced myself from that crowd) But I have been wary about trans people ever since, and just yesterday I was thinking how now, through Tiktok, boomer conservatives are discovering neopronouns and fucked up realities of trannies, meanwhile in like 2016 the majority of my internet friends were they/them nonbinary demigirls with self diagnosed DID and I read about their daily dilation and humilation rituals like it was my morning paper lol.

No. 9694

Why are trannies so rude to actual women? I knew this tranny who would routinely body shame me or say otherwise disgusting things about my body like calling me anorexic and saying I have no ass/tits etc. But he’s also a fat bitch whose body got fucked because of estrogen and now he’s a hambeast in training who used to be skinny. Nonetheless this is before I peaked and it really fucked with my self esteem, some people are just cruel.

No. 9695

Misogyny and jealousy.

No. 9696

i wonder if people were just like: "fine, die then… wanting to die seems to be normalized now since some countries do assisted suicide so die tranny, it's ok." as an answer to the suicide baiting. If they want something that they can't ever have so extremly it's ok to die. I have this personal cow who just cries about her trannsbianism and how nobody will ever fuck him.. genuinely it'd be good for him if he died, he'd be free from his schizo brain.

No. 9698

suicide baiting in general is such a horrible behaviour. My mother did it a lot (she is still alive..), so I don't have the calmest attitude towards anyone ever doing it. I just don't get it, yes, people talk about suicide and then kill themselves, but this constant "oh, I can't go to the bathroom with other women, I will kill myself now" just takes away the seriousness that comes with being suicidal. Most of the troons don't even know how exhausting it to be suicidal for real and not only to get some attention and how hard it is to get help as a woman.

No. 9700

Based all women D&D group would be a blessing. In theory I have played in some all women D&D campaigns but those always have had non binary character(s) and/or TIFs. Fortunately the campaigns have been surprisingly free otherwise from the trans shit, but I wish I was still blissfully ignorant about the disgustingly sexual and idioticly trans brain rot the TIFs from the campaigns post in twitter publicly. I wish to experience D&D free from these weirdos.

No. 9703

My peak trans was a while ago but it's in my head and I have an urge to vent it, but there was a couple of major moments for me.

The first was the two times I was called a TERF for opinions I thought were fairly milquetoast.

The first time I was called a TERF was when people where headcanoning a vaguely GNC character from a piece of media I enjoy as non-binary, so I stepped in and was like "Just because he wore a dress once doesn't make him non-binary. Men are allowed to wear dresses and still be men."

The second time I got called a TERF was when everyone decided Rowling was Undesirable #1, they were trying to claim all of her ideas were stolen from male authors and frankly I found it offensive. It's pretty fucked up that they get to discredit a woman's work in favor of a man's just because she did something bad in their eyes. I spoke up and said "Pretty much everything you're claiming Rowling stole from Gaiman or whoever else, are fantasy tropes that have existed for decades if not centuries. If you're going to call her a thief, you have to do the same for the authors you enjoy, on that basis." I got called a TERF for this.

The second thing that peaked me were my (male) friends trooning out, but I can't go into too much detail about this or it'll out me.

No. 9719

I've been saying for years trans people are the most regressive and hypocritical group of people in our society. They will do one extrememly regressive thing while at the same time proclaim one opposite progressive thing so you can't call out the first one, even though they cannot both be true at the same time. This is how they get away with being regressive pieces of shit and we need to call it out more. These are also good examples to use to peak friends and family.

For example
>I'm a transwoman because I've always liked pink, dresses, barbies and such since childhood
>Pink and feminine things are not for girls and have nothing to do with gender, boys can like them too
So that would mean NONE of the reasons the transwoman listed has any kind of correlation to being a girl or woman at all. But because they add "boys can like those things too" they act like reducing girls to stereotypes is progressive. Does liking barbie make a boy a girl? Does a girl like barbie because she is a girl? Or is it maybe actually just a toy that anyone can play with but girls happen to prefer it more than boys?

So sick of their stupid hypocrisy.

No. 9720

I hate it when TRA/troons are like "You are so obsessed with trans people. They're only a tiny minority anyway"
So are pedophiles, murderers and suicide bombers. But the harm this minority does is immensely big both on an individual and societal level. If you understand why a former victim of pedophilia may choose to work towards catching groomers and pedos, then you should be able to understand why women work towards catching trans predators. We see the harm trans people and ideology do both on individuals and society at large and we can NOT just idly watch it happen to more people. We've all been sibjected to abuse, sexism or sexual harassment from men, we know how to spot it. And we see the exact same things from men in dresses as without dresses. With hormonal drugs or without them. With plastic surgery or without it. We still see it, and we just want it to stop.

No. 9724

Same, I long for a ttrpg group that is just all women. I prefer other systems than 5e so it's extra difficult to find an interested group to play.

No. 9735

Today for the first time ever I told a troon that he isn’t a woman. I said it as nicely as possible because it’s online so it could be an underaged kid who doesn’t know better. He replied “sorry I want to kill myself because I don’t have ovaries”. Sigh. I hate it when they pull the suicide shit. Like I actually feel a little guilty but I know it’s the right thing to do when presented with the opportunity. We’ve gone silent for too long.

No. 9738

Do we have a ttrpg thread somewhere on this board, nonnas? I want to talk about the topic with you more than it just being a setting with the focus on troons ruining it.

To be on the topic here, my troon turned fujoshi ex-friend has been complaining about the time it took her to get the troon diagnosis. She publicly confirmed that she had started taking t by herself before going to the clinic and yet talked about how she was scared of not getting the diagnosis. Of fucking course the doctors were going to let you pass because you already had mutilated your body with the wrong hormones you goddamn donkey. This wouldn’t have happened if she wasn’t part of the troon psychosis friend group that would illegally lend her their hormone shit. I hate their "progressive" jokes of now calling each other whores just because they’re now "men" when they look nothing more than more hairy butch women. I hate that I lost my friends to this madness, but I also am tired enough of what misogynistic shits they have become to not care when their insides start rupturing because of the forced unnatural hormonal imbalance. I’m pretty sure they have only focused at their yaoi larping fantasies and haven’t researched about the dangers nor listened to the advice of older and more sane trans people like buck angel.

No. 9740

troons obsessed with femininity and the "struggle of attaining it" as if males have ever actually been pressed to be feminine. i can never take it seriously, especially when they so strongly align "femininity" (heels glitter pink looking pretty etc.) with womanhood. you are larping! you are pretending. if at any point in your life you decide "hmmm maybe i want to be a man after all!" you can do that…easily! no actual woman can, do you understand now? you can just take your struggle off with a pronoun switch

No. 9741

They always go to the guilt trip extreme and never ask why.

No. 9743

I applaud your bravery nona! You should have called him out for suicide baiting as a form of manipulation, it's really gross behaviour. The trans-suicide myth is all a lie, they aren't at more risk of sucicide. Even if it wasn't a lie (which it is) and he and other troons were at a higher risk of suicide then it's still not anyone else's job to solve their personal mental issues. In fact, no one else even can solve their issues for them, that's something they have to work through on their own with therapy.

No. 9744

troon rage over the harry potter game is ever increasing. just let me play a goddamn game you maniacs

No. 9748

Can’t go anywhere without goddamn trannies being gross. Was at a local park and this greasy balding man was wearing a dress. A lot of children were present too since we have been having nice weather and everyone wants to be out.

Was funny to see a mom call him disgusting tho.

No. 9751

>Was funny to see a mom call him disgusting tho.
Based woman, would have bought her an ice cream in solidarity

No. 9763

Cutting out pro-troon anti-women friends has really improved my life. I don't have to lie or pretend anymore, I don't have to bite my tongue at their misogyny. Do it nonas, free yourselves

No. 9772

Like some other anons here I spent a lot of my teenage years on Tumblr and as a result had this outward unconditional acceptance of trans people baked into me, but I think I'm starting to hit my breaking point. I had a few ftm friends in high school who had started taking hormones and such. I never thought much of it, just blindly supported them. In hindsight they all had some kind of autism and mental illnesses and were very insecure as women and that's probably why they felt they needed to transition. "Whatever, they're not harming anyone right? Just let them do what they want" I thought. I never really thought about it critically.

I only started questioning trans shit in general when I started wearing lolita and was in a comm that unfortunately welcomed every single repulsive, degenerate, pornsick troon with open arms to be around young women and teenage girls. Every single one I have met has the same arrogant male mindset they were raised with and an incredibly shallow, hyper sexualised idea of what they think womanhood is. At best they either think being a woman means being a bimbo stereotype of makeup and boobs who has it "easier" than men, and at worst they are straight up pedos that don't just want to touch little girls, they want to be them. The worst guy I met was one dude in his twenties who is pretty much exactly what >>6936 describes. He would talk about how he wanted to be a little anime loli girl and how he in his twenties was 'friends' with a bunch of 13 year olds in high school and couldn't understand why he was told to stay away. He had all the typical anime autist traits, was clearly into things like ageplay and petplay and would talk about that kind of stuff unprompted to the girls in the comm. Called himself a lesbian (of course) and would talk about girls he went to college with in the most infantilising and creepy way. One day I did some digging into his social media and found his reddit account which no surprise, was full of posts about his loli porn addiction and how now he's a uwu qt anime girl and feels so validated by all his new female friends (referring to our comm). I talked to a few of my friends about him but at most they agreed that he was slightly weird but ultimately harmless. The more I think about it though the more I am disgusted.

No. 9782

christ i feel like we're living parallel lives, except my male best friend has been in my life since we were children. its all the things you said: hes gentle for a man, especially considering the masculinity requirements of the ethinic group hes apart of, and surrounded by the terminally gendered in his other hobbies that i dont participate in. his normal, self driven interest in creating better female characters in his creative pursuits (DnD and original comics) has mutated into these constant existential spirals about maybe he's not a man at all if he likes the idea of spunky, cool women so much. this coupled with his lack of success dating and bad relationship with his father… i truly think that despite all is admiration for women, in his heart he sees us as an escape from his "failure" to be a man, which is fundamentally sexist and a waste of my time to entertain.
i wish you luck anon. the worst of it for me, i had to tell my friend extremely firmly that hed been failing to be a good friend to me, only spending time with me if it was to rehash yet another crisis over gender and whether or not his art was "good enough" (attracting twitter clout). hes really shaped up since then, but i worry that under his genuine attempts to be a more present friend in my life is still this persistent desire to transition.

No. 9798

I've had the displeasure of hearing my handmaiden friends complain about how Hogwarts Legacy is allegedly hurting trans people, when simultaneously giving it more attention at the same time.

In general, I'm sick and tired of hearing of all the TRA's complain about Hogwarts Legacy on social media and the "Rowling is a TERF" bs. It feels so performative to me, when they're actually giving the game more attention because of their posts. If it weren't for the posts about it, I wouldn't have known there was a new Harry Potter game at all.

I don't have any strong feelings about JK Rowling or the Harry Potter series, but despite her so-called "terf" ways, Rowling has actively contributed more to activism to improve the lives of girls and women (something I bet these keyboard warriors are envious of). At least she's doing something to better the world in her own way, rather than sit behind a screen doomscrolling ideologies she doesn't agree with every day and being miserable.

Sorry if this post is weirdly phrased, I usually lurk on here. I'm just upset that I'll be subjected to this nonsense for the next few weeks.

No. 9803

If you have friends (or family) who aren't handmaidens tell them about it. I told my mom who has no idea about trans issues and she thought I was exaggerating until I showed her unhinged tweets aimed at Rowling for opening a rape crisis center. Now she knows they're insane and crying over a video game like toddlers

No. 9814

NTA but do you have any on hand? I want to show some to friends how unhinged people's hate towards JK Rowling is. Some of them are already aware but not the extent of it.

No. 9816

What is gender??? If we all have a gender identity, how come not a single person seems to be able to define it in any kind of comprehensible way?

How come I, a person with a gender- wait actually it's even better than that! I'm a cis person! That means I'm a person with a gender that feels the ultimate level of comfort and in line with my sex and who I am as a person, a 100% match. How come I despite that then have no fucking idea what gender is, why do I not feel any kind of gender? Why can't I as a cis person who should be a fucking EXPERT on feeling comfortable in my own gender, have no fucking idea what gender even is???? Makes no fucking sense at all.

For years I was fully on board with the trans stuff and accepting them, I listened to countless of different trans people. I am not uneducated on it; I know the gospel by heart. It didn't fully make sense, but I still wanted to be kind and respectful. But I cannot lie. And the second I looked a tiny bit closer it all just fell apart. It was all lies, there is no gender. Not the way the trans cult wants you to think it exists anyway. If I say the gender of my cat is female, you know exactly what that means. That it's a cat of the female sex. There is a myriad of different things that makes these people seek out a trans identity, but none of them is because they ARE the opposite sex. And none of them even WANT to be the opposite sex out of thin air, they all developed this idea out of all sorts of reasons. Trauma, abuse, homophobia, fear, pain, a sexual fetish, escapism, for fun, for clout, to rebel against parents, to get access to the opposite sex, to harm society - but it all boils down to mental illness.

A mentally sane person does not believe they really are something they are physically not. It's that simple.

No. 9817

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Sorry for spam while I post some I stole from twitter

No. 9818

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No. 9819

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No. 9820

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No. 9821

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No. 9822

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I'll stop the spam but this isn't even a fraction of what JKR gets on the daily from trans people. I think these were all old screenshots from around 2020, it's not gotten better since then, only worse.

No. 9827

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I'm a digital design major in a big costal city right now and my program is full of TiMs. A lot of trans nonsense works its way into the curriculum as well, I have to read dribble written by some perverted man about how hard it is being a woman in games. Being honest about my beliefs would be social/career suicide. I make a lot of work that would be considered "terfy" because it focuses on womanhood and our biology. No one's called me out and I don't think they would based on my art alone but they say dumb shit like "oh this really captures the experience of femmes" during critique.

One of my closest friendships is with a gay man, we never discuss politics but he just assumes I agree with him on everything which is getting annoying. He goes on and on about how terfs aren't REAL feminists while simultaneously calling me gross for not shaving my legs and asking what my boyfriend thinks about it. I kind of want to distance myself from him. He thinks just because he's gay he understands what it's like being a woman and ends up mansplaining feminism to me. I need to find some radfem friends.

No. 9829

>He goes on and on about how terfs aren't REAL feminists while simultaneously calling me gross for not shaving my legs
I get that being surrounded by mouthbreather compsci moids is hell and not having friends is hard, but troon classmates or not, you're never gonna grow a spine in any environment if you're actively close friends with a gay scrote who thinks he has a say on feminism or calls you gross for having hair. Cut him off immediately. Passively letting men be misogynistic in our faces and refusing to stand up against even the most blatant sexism is what got us to where we are in the first place.

No. 9831

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I hate dylan mulvafaggy I hate him I hate him so much why is he being shoved down our throats by every media outlet who the fuck is this tranny and what does he have on everyone that they post about his ugly troony faggy man face all the time he gets all the opportunities in a month that women work YEARS for, just because everyone wants to pat themselves on the back for being an ally fuck this fucking bullshit

No. 9832

The one thing Dylan Misogyny is good for is he is perfect for proving that men get everything and anything they want without effort at the expense of women, no matter how much of a parody he looks like and how much women say it's offensive (even some other trans people say he's offensive, they're right but lol get a mirror) companies give 0 shit about the women and just give him female only products for free, lets him have free facial surgery, which he then gets a highly produced film team for to show off his plastic surgery (worse than even the kardashians), he screams at bugs and acts like girls are weak and pathetic, he gets to meet the fucking president of the US because of it - all within less than a fucking year of "coming out" as trans.
No woman would get these opportunities. He only got them because he's a man.

He's going to be a highly used example of male privilege of the trans craze era in the future, that will be his only legacy.

No. 9855

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A friend of mine decided he's no longer a man but instead a trans woman, this is so frustrating but at the same time I knew it would end up like this.
He was always awkward with women, sadly he was taken advantage as a minor by a horrible sexual abuser, never told his parents or a therapist so never got proper help for that. He never really made any friends when he started uni, also wasn't very successful at it so he's not working on what he studied (at least he has a job thankfully unlike most TIMs), and always told me how much he would prefer to be a woman because of sexual reasons and because life would be "easier". When he said that to me a few years ago I didn't think much of it cuz I was more naïve but now thinking about it it annoys me very much, ignoring what women go through just because he thinks girls get everything for free just for having tits, disgusting. He then started crossdressing a bit before Covid started, I thought it would be a one time thing but then he started doing it more, getting cheap clothing that no woman would wear. Then he started wearing it in public, using cheap wigs as well with skimpy clothing that from afar would make him look like a prostitute. This was all during Covid, I didn't have the heart to tell him his fashion sense was awful.
It definitely all got worse with Covid, isolation, being unable to talk to women in general made him have the idea of what a woman is with anime and video games. He got very aggressive one time I told him to buy male clothes for a change for how awful the clothes he was buying were, and he also got very aggressive one time when another friend of mine called him a femboy. Then last year he started going by he/they, later genderfluid, and now a tranny. He was always the super lefty type complaining about TERFs and being a TRA, it was inevitable.
He just came out to his parents and he's already ordering needles for fucking estrogen, no time to waste I suppose.
We drifted apart during Covid, he's not as close as before and I can just say "hope this is good for u!" cuz I don't wanna cause another scene of him being aggressive to me because I think something different. He's an adult now so he can do whatever he wants, but I know he's just a male in cheap women clothes, he's just an autogynephiliac. I feel partly at fault because I never told him to snap out of it and what I really thought and I'm still not doing so, I just don't know how without losing the other friends I care about.

No. 9862

>I feel partly at fault because I never told him to snap out of it

Men's degeneracy isn't women's responsibility nona, it's okay. Most guys would rather listen to their penises than listen to reason anyways. Especially if he was already buying into the "being a woman means life is easier/easy mode" shit, he was too far gone.

No. 9880

if anyone was having any doubts on what type of people TIMs are, a childhood friend of mine and her two young children have been placed in a safety shelter following the arrest of the mtf father of her X month old daughter for child abuse.

not only does ms. timmy spank literal infants hard enough to leave severe bruising on them because he's upset they wont stop crying, he was also arrested for sexual contact with a minor back in 2020. feel free to join me in wishing a slow painful death in prison on him.

No. 9885

Ex-friend troon who sexually assaulted me is trying to get in contact with me nonas, I'm a bit scared

No. 9887

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There's this tif on /x/ who has been making threads asking why conspiracy spaces are 'anti trans' and each time she gets blasted by anons. She sounds very naive and might be underage (although tifs tend to act like children way into their adulthood) and I kinda hope that she eventually peaks both from the rational responses she gets and from the misoynist crap from other 4fags. One thing that angers me though is that she 100% would not be acting so civil if she was posting in a female majority space.

No. 9894

im sorry that happened to u and please dont blame urself, it isnt your fault. but nonnie why did u pick such a creepy picture for this kek

No. 9898

>always told me how much he would prefer to be a woman because of sexual reasons
>clothing that from afar would make him look like a prostitute
>have the idea of what a woman is with anime and video games
Nona, he was trash all alone. It's not your fault he is trash acting like trash, but even if you could have stopped him, why would you? Let him take his trash self out of the genepool. We do not need trash like him to reproduce. He will suffer from the choices HE made for the rest of his life, all because he's a trash coomer misgynist. It's really just karma.

No. 9900

You're both right, I wrote all of that when the news just dropped so I didn't know how to process it. He's already saying he's gonna buy needles and HRT online with crypto despite it being legal in his country with a therapist prescription, which just tells me he never actually went to a therapist for this (not that it would've mattered seeing how much therapists push tranny shit nowadays). You're right I shouldn't blame myself for anything, he's an adult, if he wants to be a disgusting mockery of a woman that uses cheap clothes and wigs that's on him. I'll probably distance myself from him more as time goes on.
Sorry nona kek, I wanted to post a dinosaur to fell better so I just took the first pic I saw on my folder.

No. 9901

If you're brave enough to share his pics here or in mtf that would be funny to kek at

Also I love dinos

No. 9902

post pics

No. 9905

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Sure, but I noticed he decided to delete all the pictures on the chat I shared with him, so I had to go my way to see if he posted anywhere else and I finally found his fucking Reddit account. Notice how in the comments people are like "omg ur so pretty, you look like a girl!" while he hides his chin. Pic related is the only pic he posted where his chin is visible, anyway here's all the pics of his fashion style.

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Do these people ever listen to these reasonings and think to themselves “hm, does this sound rapey or oddly familiar to conversion therapy?”
I know the answer is no because it’s all about their needs and narcissistic feelings, but it’s just so fucking unsettling

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No. 9911

Tell me about it; I just got banned from a Canadian themed subreddit because I said I wasn't surprised a gynecologist didn't know how to deal with a neovagina, and that I wouldn't expect a prostate doctor to know how to deal with a vagina.

No. 9912

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Tired of the melodrama surrounding this game. So many long rants online. The overreaction is ludicrous. I’m Jewish and I’m tired of troons saying I should be offended by this too. I don’t see it and even if it is secretly antisemitic, it’s not enough to make a big deal out of it. Grow up.

Might be because I’m stoned but I cannot figure out what point this person is trying to make?? Like it sounds like they’re being sarcastic and intentionally insulting but I don’t know why? Probably the most retarded post I’ve read in a while though

No. 9916

TiF seething that straight women doesn’t want to sleep with her because she doesn’t have a penis and copes by saying these women don’t have a sexual orientation, but instead a genital fetish. Basically the TiF version of telling lesbians to take the girldick.

No. 9920

hi all this is my first time posting on lc so please be patient lol. I literally have nowhere else to express my frustrations. I’m in college rn in a male-dominated field and I’ve never felt so alienated. The only “women” in one of my classes is a group of TiFs that tried to yank out a chair before I sat down because “this is actually enby corner huehuehuehue” Literally the same fucking day, I’m told that i am single-handedly committing violence because I told a troon to put the toilet seat down and flush his piss before he leaves the womens bathroom at the very least. He said “If I have to put it up, you have to put it down” I feel so angry and so alone right now nonnas, I can’t even get upset in public lest i get kicked out and lose my only chance of upward mobility

No. 9922

Lol, wait we're meant to refer to ourselves as uterus-havers but doctors can't specialise in sex-specific organs? What a joke.

No. 9923

That sounds grim. Are there any student groups on campus that would have your back?

No. 9925

We have turning-point usa and adjacent groups but even they’re pretty milquetoast about TRAs as my school is pretty notorious for being violent/fucking crazy towards dissenting opinion, plus those guys are gross anyways lol. I have plenty of normie female friends that couldn’t care less either way though so there’s places where I don’t have to deal with all of that fuckery at least

No. 9926

I called an obvious troon Walmart worker "sir" while looking them in the eye. Idc anymore kek troons already acted like I called for the mass suicide of trannys because I said it was more socially acceptable for them to have plastic surgery

No. 9931

welcome nona! sorry you have to deal with those people, i'd stay as far away from them as possible.

You're brave nona kek

No. 9932

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Thank you nona, this gave me a good kek

No. 9933

GOD they are so mental, and not right about anything.
>"you don't know what's in someone's pants unless they tell you"
Girl I can tell your sex just from reading this post kek

>"Not liking vagina = penis fetish"

Those are not even opposites, some people don't like either. A person can be bisexual and like both. Literally as deranged as saying
>"If you don't like cats that means you're a furry who wants to fuck dogs!!!"

It's not a fetish to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex's sexual characteristics. That's baseline sexual attraction. It's not called "genderal attraction" now is it? Furthermore people don't "need" their fetish for sexual arousal, it's just one thing that can be sexually stimulating, a fetish is the exact same thing as a kink.
And what the fuck is she going on about having to be attracted to EVERY penis if you're a straight or bi woman? That's obviously not true at all, she knows it through. She's being a retard on purpose. Oh wait- she said you're not straight if you're a woman attracted to male bodies, but actually just a penis fetishist. Unlike REAL straight women who are into female bodies? All this predatory shit because this girl hates boundaries and wants women to be sexually available to her. She's a gross deluded sexual predator, that's all she is.

No. 9934

Who's gonna tell the furry pfp that one day their grandkids will find their old furry account and THAT will be like finding confederate stuff in the attic

No. 9935

It's nothing but a giant cope. "I-I didn't get rejected because she's n-not attracted to me, i-i-it's because she have a PENIS FETISH, that's right!"

No. 9940

I've read feminist analysis of sissy hypno porn for like a year now but it never fucking fails to fuck me up every time I hear about it. It's so unreal it's not taken seriously both by TRAs and the kink cult. I wish these men would just die with their filth.

No. 9942

I fucking hate TRAs so much. They're so fucking racist and it makes me so angry. It's always about comparing themselves to black people, saying that misgendering is on the same level as slavery. They need to stop hiding behind nonwhite women, it's cowardly and shitty. Calling a man a man is not and never will be on the same level as racism. And it's always white people saying it.

No. 9943

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We can't criticize white males with AGP

No. 9960

The fetish/kink distinction is important not for precision but because it provides a loophole; kinkshaming is not allowed but if it's a whole ass fetish, then somehow it's ok to attack. Because reasons.
Even though straight women are able to be aroused just fine without the presence of a penis.

Love to see it. How were the comments on this?

No. 9964

Nonnas, where do I go from here?

A month ago I was a handmaiden and had been for years. I grew up on Tumblr and was always reblogging posts to own Le Evil Terves, I hated JKR but I never even read any of her tweets, caped for TIMs more than I have for any other minority. I've been browsing LC since 2018 and just stayed out of the trans related threads because well, handmaiden, but I stumbled across a radblr blog sometime during December and I couldn't stop reading. At first I told myself it was just hate reading but the more I read the more I began to peak. I decided to start backreading some of the MTF threads too and I was honestly disgusted. I thought TIMs were innocent and just trying to live their lives but they're fucking degenerates. I feel sick knowing how many predators I unknowingly supported.

The JKR and Hogwarts Legacy controversy is what cemented it for me. I finally decided to read the tweets that kickstarted the hate campaign against her and… wow. The rape and death threats all because she stood up for women for a change. And she was sympathetic toward troons before they decided to bombard her with hatred. Nothing we do will ever be enough for that crowd.

I'm surrounded by troons in all my friend circles though. Some of my best friends are TIFs, I interact with TIMs on a daily basis, if I was outed as a TERF my social life would be over. Of course Hogwarts Legacy has come up in discussion recently and each time it gets harder not to lash out about it. I just hate how people hate JKR so much that any word against her is taken as truth, without any question. What anti trans causes has she supposedly donated to? When did she say she wanted all trans people dead? What the fuck has this woman done to deserve so much vitriol?

It feels so hopeless. Are there any outlets for this other than LC or am I completely alone in this?

No. 9968

The notion that "you shouldn't be mean to trans people because it's like kicking a puppy or punching down a marginalized group of people!!!" is awfully misguided. Especially now that the HL controversy has revealed that they're actually such narcissistic crybullies who will harass you until you submit to their will.

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Nonnas I was talking with my friends about why troons are so vicious towards JKR but not say, Tucker Carlson, who has objectively been way more anti-TRA than JK’s “biology is real” essay.
I know this is old news, but moids really just can’t stand hearing a woman say “no”. If they were so concerned with people “literally killing them” you would think they would be chimping out en-masse about anti troon network with 3.5 million viewers. But no. It’s because they feel entitled to women, because they’re incels. And when women speak out about troonery they try to suicide bait us into submission. It’s like an abusive boyfriend threatening to shoot himself because his girlfriend wouldn’t let him film a sex tape.

No. 9973

You aren’t alone. If you have the courage (I don’t personally, yet) There are radfem spaces on tumblr and Twitter, though of course it opens you up to harassment. Don’t post a real photo of yourself and use a burner email, and go make friends with other angry gals.

No. 9974

Yeah it's so infuriating. I remember reading some troon tweet saying he can ignore transphobia from 4chan incels but not from terfs. Like yea bro we know it's not about transphobia–its about controlling women's minds, language, bodies, and spaces and I'm so tired.

No. 9975

>How were the comments on this?
Lots of troons and other gendies seething but apparently also some gender critical comments, so a mixed bag. But she did a follow-up tiktok where she supports trannies and criticize the "transphobic" comments. Disappointing.
However, I got linked to this and another tiktok of another troon saying the same thing. The tranny community is hopefully on the verge of eating each other. Lots of support from women in the comments and I'm upset I can't sort by "most controversial" among the comments.
(sorrry, I don't know how to embed tiktoks)

No. 9980

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Welcome to having peaked nona! It's a rough awakening, I was the exact same as you growing up on tumblr with the activism.

Some steps to take! Whenever you feel the rage build up at people's ignorance but you know they'll just cut you out for it just use lolcow as your safe outlet for venting about troons. This thread is literally a vent thread you're allowed to spam and rage in, the mtf and ftm threads are nice for laughing at deluded troons as well.

You peaked from "hate reading", so pretend you're still in that phase and send a friend you want to peak that blog telling (preferably) her about it. Tell her you can't stop hate reading it, make her start doing that too until she hopefully peaks from it too. Send a few things from there here and there. Use your own previous thoughts when talking about it. Maybe you started off with the "it's only a few gross AGPS who are bad, they hurt real trans people!" So push that idea that SOME troons are bad, because they're fake trans anyway so hating on those gross fetishists is oK. Once they've accepted that the pathway to peaking has begun.

Make new friend groups unrelated to the ones you're in now. Any interest you have, find a group free of troons, or at least free of woke troon talk. A group that doesn't really care and doesn't bring up how poor troons have it so hard every few minutes. If those other groups get too much or they find out you're a secret terf you'll still have this new group. Right now you could look for people who play hogwarts legacy since troons and allies avoid it like the plague kek

Possibly talk to your tif friends one on one about why they think they're trans. If you can innocently question their internalized misogyny that led them there maybe it will help them peak too. "But every cis girl goes through that, I did and I'm 100% cis so there has to be something else to you being trans… right?" Usually these people are narcs to some degree so they'll love to talk about themselves and how special they are. Plant some seeds for them to grow out of it.

Good luck nona! Vent here as much as you want and need.

No. 9984

I'm just so happy some of my closest friends are borderline terfs, and I hope more people in my circles peak or semi-peak soon.

No. 10005

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A retarded argument from a retarded TRA. Our parents are anti-trans, so wouldn't being pro-trans be the thing that would upset our parents? Hmm, makes you think, don't it.

No. 10006

I love how he posts this as some kind of “gotcha”
>comedy boils down to saying something we all understand in a way that points out the absurd
Um, yes. A dude in a dress claiming to be a woman is absurd, so I’m making jokes about it

No. 10007

Honestly I kinda think parts of the TRA movement is based on counter culture. Every generation have some sort of radical movement to separate themselves from the previous one and what is considered mainstream, troons and their handmaidens are just that taken to the fucking extreme.

No. 10009

To some degree yes, a lot of them genuinely think they are fighting against patriarchy and rigid gender roles and they don't even see that they are in fact doubling down on them but in an even worse way than before. Many handmaidens are too naive to realize letting narcissistic men (just in dresses this time) be at the forefront will just lead them down to the same old sexist shit as before. Only this time men get to abuse women in their safe spaces fully legally and without getting punished for it, all because they decided masturbating in their ex-wife's underwear was their true calling in life.

No. 10010

What is the one joke again? That they're actually just delusional men in dresses and self-hating women? That they should 41%? That the nazi to transwoman pipeline is super common? That they're mentally ill and need actual help? Or just simply the sight at a giant bearded man calling himself a lesbian and speaking in a squeaky mickey mouse voice is ridiculous and laugh-inducing? That they got their genitals mutilated for sexual reasons?

No. 10012

I can't believe I'm going to risk losing friends over a fucking game, just because people are childishly pissed at ONE person. This is a fucking clown world and I want out.

No. 10016

Maybe it should open your eyes that if friends are so defensive about men in dresses, invading women's spaces, they werent your friends to begin with. Anyone weak and pathetic enough to drop someone over HL is trash.

No. 10017

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was watching a show on hbomax lmao the way I immediately clocked this tranny a mile away, his hunchback of notre dame posture, the awkwardness every time he’s on screen,
the trademark stringy estrogen curls it’s all so hard to watch

No. 10022

Just a tip for if/when your friends attack you over it, saying something along the lines of
>but it hurts trans people and JKR is transphobic
Ask how many games they've played that have sexist depictions of women. And violence towards women. Many games have literal acutal, brutal violence depicted. Plenty of women have been begging you to not play these sexist violent games, for years. If you didn't see it it's only because you give 0 shit about women and didn't listen, because it's not hard to find. Does that mean you hate women and want this violence to be real? Does it mean you support sexist violent treatment of women? And the age old question: did these violent games turn you and other people violent? Or was it… just a game?

This game doesn't actually depict or promote any anti-trans rhetoric. (If they say goblins are jews call them out on the fact that they're wrong and that's a retarded myth made by antisemitic people)

And taking away the fantasy aspect, how many shitty sexist and abusive game devs haven't been revealed? Why aren't you protesting against them like you've done for HL? Is this literal sexual abuse of real women (meaning they exist and it happens, not "cis") not as bad as trans people having their feelings hurt that a millionaire who wasn't involved in the game got richer? Does it mean everyone playing the game is in 100% support of that sexist game dev? Or did they perhaps just want to play an exciting game they've been waiting for for years?

To not be accused of being a terf add in something like:
You know I'm not against trans people, I don't think the staff is against trans people either, I just want to enjoy this game with my friends so I will do so.

If they STILL disagree and think you're a bad person take note and in the future every time they mention a game google to see if it has ANY sexist depictions of women, violence, controversies surrounding staff members etc and ask why the support that. Every time.

If you lose a friend over THIS, they weren't worth keeping around. Go make better friends.

No. 10028

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Going off your post, does anyone have any media they'd like to share with a creator being "problematic", as in an actual menace to society? The kinds someone reviling jk would care about, like picrel. Just to ask people what makes support of her worse than others.

No. 10036

So glad lc exists because oh my fucking god is it tiresome hearing dumbasses who can't think for themselves call generic goblins with generic fantasy items "antisemitic" without being able to call them out. They're looking for any idiotic little stretch they can to make the game seem antisemitic so they can justify that "the game is bad and evil!!!!!".

They're only doing that because they realized the anti-trans thing fell through and no one gave a shit, so they're hoping making dumb false nazi allegations will work. Bonus for them is that they get to call jews goblins and get everyone to agree with them, as if we haven't seen that half of all transwomen started out as neo-nazis so much they meme it themselves all the fucking time. We fucking see what you're doing. It's literally only trans people and TRAs who call jews goblins, like fucking hell. Oh and the neonazis of course, but they're included with the troons since that's a singular circle venn diagram at this point.

So glad this game is selling #1 on every platform and getting great reviews, breaking twitch records and whatnot. These minority of loud idiots will either die on this hill alone or accept that they were fooled into buying into an evil and stupid ideology.

No. 10038

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The venus symbol is now comparable to a swastika according to these clowns …

No. 10041

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Me and the girlies making our entrance like

No. 10042

>we don't want to erase women, we just want to exist alongside with you uwu
>anyway women = bad

No. 10044

people thinking radfems = nazis will never not make me laugh. do you think nazis believe in female separatism

No. 10048

I need to remind myself that:
>These people are (literally) in the same mindset as a cult member
>You cannot help these people
>You cannot talk a cult member out of a cult
>You cannot use logic and reality to reason with people who do not believe in logic and reality
>They cannot see reality unless they themselves decides to look
>The only thing you can do for them now is not engage at all and wait
>You are just one person, it's not up to you to save them no matter how close you once were

For my own sanity:
>Only people who aren't already in the cult can be reached, so focus on them
>Ignore/block/mute any and all posts you see of trans ideology
>When frustrated by the trans ideology, ignore the ideology and instead directly support people taking actions against it, or supporting victims of it (not social media influences, but real organizations)

No. 10055

there were some suffragists who ended up joining the British fascist party in early 20th century and some American suffragists were eugenicists but that's about it, it's a era of feminism that's been over a 100 years now

No. 10057

Man, idk if this is the right place for this shit but I’m livid. I’m so sick and tired of defending these stupid fucking mongrels left and right. I have a few trans friends, they’re older and genuinely decent people that aren’t about all this cock sucking shit but I can’t deal with it anymore. Fuck trans people. All they do is seek out ways to be pissed off over nothing like this faggot ass Harry Potter game shit. Acting like it directly targets them and they’re the only oppressed people ever. It’s no wonder nobody likes them. I remember when being a trans was rare enough that it wasn’t a big deal to most people and now every retarded think on earth is suddenly trans because their lives suck ass and are desperate for validation and attention from equally retarded furries and shit. I’m a fucking game dev and they can all eat my spicy asshole if they think they’re going to fuck with my money.

All they fucking do is cry and whine nonstop, make problems all the time and expect everyone else to baby them and donate to their gofundme because they’re too addicted to Twitter to get jobs. Fucking leeches. So tired of seeing them beg for donations because they got snippy at their parents for saying they couldn’t use their mom’s credit card to buy animal dicks from bad dragon.

And fuck their healthcare. Why should I give a fuck about insurance paying shit for them? They don’t do anything to make changes happen for anybody but themselves. Much of the medical I need is more expensive and much more necessary than their gay tiddy pills.

I fucking hate when they try relating to being female, too. Don’t fucking talk to me about periods, getting knocked up, women’s healthcare, etc. They will never experience or understand this shit. I’m busy fighting for MY rights. The fucking trans can do their shit alone instead of always begging everyone else to do it for them and then turning around and bullying their own allies. Quit fucking invading spaces not meant for you and expecting the world to walk on eggshells.

No. 10058

Going to have to remind myself of these things too to keep my sanity, been trying to use logic dummed down to a 5-year olds level talking to friends that has drunk too much of the TRA kool-aid, especially the ones that are also autistic (honestly though, why are especially autists so susceptible to this cultthink and so EXTREMELY adamant to be cunts about it?).

I have a couple of friends in the gaming industry that works with big companies and through them I've heard rumors of developers starting to get really tired of appealing to gendies because it costs too much money and resources with next to no payback. Is that something you've noticed too, or is it something they just made up in hopes of it becoming true?

No. 10072

Yes, it sucks. I became a dev later in my life after putting it off for so long. Video games are my passion, it’s all I had when struggling with my mental health and I want to help others the same way. Even the gender specials. But it’s not okay anymore.. I have to worry all the time about whether or not an added or missed detail is going to make them go ape shit and get me fired for something that stupid. The reward isn’t even worth the work we do anymore. Fucking corporate cucks making impossible demands and due dates, cutting funding and budgets and then transtards foaming at the fucking mouth over a goddamn character name as if we had fucking time for any of that shit.

Sorry. I’m very emotional right now. My hard work feels wasted.

No. 10074

these retards will call anything nazism kek

No. 10079

It's okay nonnie, I totally get you and it's extremely understandable that you are upset and fed up! It is completely reasonable to be upset abut this mess, I myself have been so upset I've had a hard time falling asleep last couple of nights not only because of the state of the gaming community but also because two of my friends that worked with promoting HL have gotten harassed and lost friends over this, one got suicidal but the other one is luckily pretty good at shrugging things off and using their logic against them. But it's so fucking upsetting that all this harassment and bullying is condoned.
I can't believe I low-key want gamergate 2.0 to get the troons to gtfo, both figuratively and literally.

No. 10095

>Sorry. I’m very emotional right now. My hard work feels wasted.
Don't be sorry nona! You're not working for the spoiled troons, you're making games for all the girls and women who are sick of them who just want a break from the real world through some games. I appreciate female gave devs so so much, you have no idea!

No. 10098

I hope you're feeling better when you read this nona! I wonder how many game devs there are that use lolcow, I already have a couple of terf friends that are or are studying to become game developers. Maybe we can all start a game studio kek

No. 10101

>why are especially autists so susceptible to this cultthink and so EXTREMELY adamant to be cunts about it?
Diagnosed sperg-anon here and I can give some insight. Autists are one of the groups that are more likely to be naturally gender non-conforming (another example is gay people). This is partly because they struggle with seeing and understanding social rules and norms. Autists have a number of struggles related to being autistic (be it physical, mental or societal) which puts them as highly likely to be depressed and they have a higher suicide risk than even trans people (the high trans suicide risk is a lie though, being trans has seemingly little to no effect on suicidality). Struggling with metal health AND reading social rules leads to isolation.

So you have isolated, depressed, gender non-conforming, confused autists who are trying to figure out what's wrong with them. This often leaves them terminally online, they constantly see ALL the trans propaganda and never go outside to see reality and to see that it's all lies.
Another autist trait is "black and white" thinking. So it doesn't take much to get them to go from "I've always been bad at being a girl… so I must be a boy." or "I'm a failure of a man… I can stop being that failed man if I turn in to a girl instead" through lovebombing them and telling them nice lies while encouraging narcissism. They finally have a place they belong and an explaination to why they weren't "wrong", just trans!
>All those fucked up social situations you caused because of your autism, nope it was actually because you're trans, and it was their fault for being transphobic to you! But we trans people love you for who you are. You will stop feeling depressed if you just… transition. You like anime? Become an anime girl. Be the yaoi-man of your dreams.
So they're going to stubbornly refuse to see anything else because for the first time ever they have a community, power, exuses for their flaws, a cause, and a clear "guide" over what to do: transition (or as a handmaiden to support transition)
They actually literally think they ARE the opposite sex, and they actually think it WILL cure them from all their mental issues to transition. That's the black and white thinking. Average AGP and HSTS usually know they're not real physical women even if they won't admit it, but the autists truly think they are.

Now on the other hand, autists are also much more likely to be huge nerds who look into the actual studies and not give a shit about other people's feelings, so ironically they are also more likely to never have bought into the trans stuff to begin with, or to be the ones to detransition first when they realized it wasn't true and they didn't get better. And they don't understand that they're supposed to still lie and keep up the act like every else. So as a result the first wave of detransitioners have consisted almost entirely of autistic people. It's extremely predictable.
Every single non-gamer/not perpetually online autist I've met irl have been unapologetically anti-trans and shut it down with no shame at all.

No. 10120

Thanks, nonnies. I feel a lot less alone in this now. I was afraid to even post here because in the past I’ve been accused of being a transphobe just for not wanting some trans man to use and manipulate a friend. I’m sick of them and their bullshit tantrums. They literally ruin everything.

Even my trans coworker is fed up with the shit and says she’s afraid of her creativity being snuffed and hates being begged to write in “trans representation” in projects by hormone crazed teenagers.

I don’t have any terf friends and I’m kind of scared of trying to make any. I’m afraid of being doxxed especially knowing there are nutjobs out there that hate me and would do anything to watch my hard work burn. What should I do from here, nonnies?

No. 10125

Nta I’m in indie dev and my communities tried to eat themselves alive over the word queer. They think that not being able to use queer and faggot is actual oppression. So far having firm boundary with a very brief explanation and then ignoring/deleting tantrums has worked pretty well.

No. 10138

What kind of approaches do you reckon would actually work with autistic genderspecials? Or do we just wait it out until it all implodes and they move to a new cult?

No. 10147

For the nerdy autists actual studies and science makes them peak, since none of the actual good studies support trans ideology and the few that support it are flawed af. Just get them interested in reading about neutral trans science. That's how I peaked lol

I think for the less science inclined ones actually disproving what they believe so they see it with their own two eyes would be the way to go. Unfortunately the cult behaviour has an excuse for everything and will tell them it's all fake lies made up by terfs, which they will believe.
I think general peaking advice of slowly introducing gross AGP content and initially stressing they're not REAL trans because they're faking it for a fetish can open them up to see SOME who call themselves trans people are bad. If you can get them to just look out for "the bad ones" they'll have a hard time denying it because they (literally) thought all trans people were good innocent people just wanting to live their lives. I'm thinking mainly of female autists.

Also make sure to tell them ALL teen girls feel alienated from their bodies and that's normal but sucks to go through. The whole beauty industry is based on women hating their bodies. That "cis" teen girls want to change their gender to male all the time especially if they're tomboys or gay. It's possible no one ever told them that and all they heard were "if you ever felt discomfort with your body you're trans".

No. 10149

Use lolcow as an outlet for terfism if you can't make irl terf friends. It helps a lot to have a place to vent and see other women who are fed up too.

My go to thing lately has been watching/listening to detrans content on YouTube, see if you can find some interviews there. Seeing real ex-trans people admit they were wrong and seeing how they now work to stop the rest of them from huring more people gives me a lot of hope and positivity. If they peaked even after being so far gone, then anyone can peak.
Just by watching it you boost it in the algorithm so it's more likely to show up for other people and no one can dox you over it since they have no idea you watched it

No. 10154

Has anyone else here had super awful experiences with troon friends and social anxiety afterwards? I didn't want to be like my racist and sexist dad, so I swerved super hard left and ended up with a lot of troon friends during/after college. After realizing how selfish and pervy these people were, I distanced myself from them. But I did end up getting cancelled for calling an mtf pedo… a male pedo. I'm pretty uneasy meeting people my age now since I'm concerned I'm gonna get cancelled again.

No. 10156

nta, but do you have any decent recommendations?
I've only watched this seminar from last year, it's 8 bloody hours long but it features a few different detrans women speaking about their experiences, their various reasons as to why they transitioned, how medical professionals treated them when they wanted to detrans and their theories as to why transitioning is being pushed so hard. It took me a few days to go through it but it was super interesting to have in the background.

No. 10164

>Has anyone else here had super awful experiences with troon friends and social anxiety afterwards?
100% yes, I've even been sexually assaulted by a male troon friend so that has certainly made the anxiety worse. Knowing I can't even talk about it to a woke friend without them saying "um no SHE assaulted you" is keeping me from talking about it to them.

Genspect is great! They have a lot of counter-troon content that can be uplifting too. Benjamin A Boyce has interviewed a lot of detrans people so try searching his channel for it. Some detrans people on the top of my head are
>Sinead Watson (ftm back to female)
>Richie Herron (mtf back to male, also known as Tullip R) he had srs and deeply regrets it now
>Exulansic (ftm to female, native american detrans terf) is great because she explains why and how (in depth) trans surgeries and hormones are medically harmful while making jokes. She gets banned from time to time but is currently under the channel name "Ex Aisle"

No. 10178

Just had this convo:
"I identify as a lesbian."
"But I'm not a woman, I'm non binary."
"How does that work?"
"Well, I can use lesbian because it includes everyone that doesn't identify as a man. It's a "non-men" label."
Why are these people trying to educate me, an actual lesbian, when they don't even know what are they talking about.
So if you date a man with a penis you're still a lesbian if he uses the nonbinary label??
It's tiring…Everytime people say that a label is an "umbrella term" I get filled with rage

No. 10182

Why have they seemingly not invented a nonbinary-only sexuality yet? Seems like they'd want to jump on that to prove they're not men or women. If they're separate from the two and people can be only into men or only into women, can't they also be only into nonbinary people? If not, that must mean nonbinary is part of men and women. That or they are SO repulsive no human is capable of feeling attraction towards them.

Anyway make sure to point out to other people behind her back that's she's homophobic for thinking lesbians are attracted to dicks and it made you really uncomfortable as a lesbian. When normies hear it like that from an actual lesbian they're more likely to understand and see how fucked up that girls statement really is.

No. 10198

They already invented pansexuality, can't they build on that instead of fetishising lesbians in every way they can think of?

No. 10201

I just found out I’m intersex. I have female genitals, but a shriveled up Y chromosome. I had a weird puberty, that was full of testosterone but I thought it was just losing the genetic lottery. I’m definitely female, just masc af. But now everyone’s telling me that I’m actually trans???? I’m not, I’m still a woman, I was born one. I just had a fucked up puberty but trannies are telling me I’m trans fuck the hell off

No. 10202

My bestie has fully peaked with no influence from me whatsoever! There is hope. She says it was seeing trans bullshit ok TikTok that got her

No. 10203

Having seen the rise and fall of pansexuality was very informing. At first it was clearly a new cool thing to be and they defined it as
>sexually attracted to both men and women, trans and nonbinary people
Pansexual was the "correct" one to be if you liked both sexes, they saw bisexuality as a little bit bigoted because that was defined as
>sexually attracted to men and women
I remember people saying "I'm pan and not bi because I could also date trans people" and that was fully accepted and endorsed as the righteous choice out of the two. Then a few years in trans people decided that it was the opposite. Saying you were pan was indirectly saying you didn't see trans people as "real" men and women (of the opposite sex), so you should now be bisexual if you're attracted to them.
The remaining pansexuals were the ones who still included being attracted to nonbinary trans people as some sort of third category, but we see far less pansexuals now than when it first became a thing.

No. 10204

Love that for you nona! Tiktok is one of the biggest spreaders of trans ideology so her peaking on the platform is a really great sign

No. 10205

Trans people were really quick to jump on to intersex people (and every other group they use) to push their movement forward despite it having absolutely nothing to do with being trans. I saw a self-proclaimed "gender expert" guy (he was some flavor of trans and wore cat ears) saying "intersex people are cool because they're both binary and non-binary (trans) at the same time". He was clearly not even grasping what "binary" means yet everyone else just accepted it. I was so mad that I couldn't call his disgusting behaviour out without being called a terf and kicked out forever.

I've also seen trans people wholeheartedly say gender non-conforming people are trans. So… pretty much everyone on earth is trans then?

No. 10236

Dude puberty is so rough for girls at the best of times, I’m sorry you had to go through that, you are a woman and should be proud

No. 10242

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>Only people who aren't already in the cult can be reached, so focus on them
I think one of the best ways to peak people now is to ignore trans people, not interacting with them other than when necessary, same way you'd treat a slightly too religious colleague or classmate who gives you an earful for taking gods name in vain if you say "oh my god". Let them do their thing and then you roll your eyes with everyone else the second they leave the room.

And then just make fun of trans people with everyone else. Not straight up being cruel but just point out absurdities, hypocrisy and how silly it all is. Shame them through comedy by making casual memes and jokes. It's a lot easier to get through to people through comedy, it will prevent them from becoming codependent enablers and when it's more common the embarrassment of being a delusional trans person will stop the social contagion because it's just not cool to be trans anymore when you're not oppressed but just the butt of the jokes.

No. 10251

I wasn’t sure which thread to post this but I saw someone online refer to JK Rowling as “the world’s most notorious transphobe” and for some reason it triggered me tonight even though I’ve heard similar things before. There are tons of male public figures who are more transphobic than she is, but somehow she gets all of the shit because she’s the only famous woman who is open about it. Elon Musk has made fun of trannies on multiple occasions and his troon son even publicly disowned him, yet they’re all still on Twitter. Nobody is accusing people who drive Teslas of contributing to trans deaths or whatever. If you asked any TIM who they hate more between JK and Ron Desantis, you know they’re going to choose her. The sexism is so blatant. They hate the thought of weaponized shame not working to silence women for much longer.

No. 10252

It's so obvious they just hate her for being a woman who won't shut up. Seeing my woke mutuals seethe over her is both funny and frustrating. How can you even pretend to be on the "riGht SiDe oF hisToRy" when you're on the side that openly sends death and rape threats to a woman simply for speaking up about women's and children's rights?

They all made fun of trump supporters for being ignorant and not looking at all the dumb shit trump said publicly, never checking actual sources and blindly following hateful lies - but they're doing exactly the same thing! They have no idea what Rowling has actually said and done.

No. 10260

Sometimes I want to make an account somewhere calling myself non-trinary to pick fights with enbies and call them terfs kek

No. 10261

do it nona I'll back you up kek

No. 10262

I'll back you up too nona

No. 10266

this website has peaked me already but holy fucking shit if i wasnt before i certanly am now. was out with my mother at the mall and i live in a country where we have very little trannies and the trans i have been around have been trans men or hsts and they have been very mild and seemingly normal people. thats maybe like 3 people in total that i have known. today at the mall i saw a huge male in a big shitty pink curly wig, wearing a weird hat, half a bra as a mask and high heels and you could hear him far away even in a loud mall. he looked deranged, he was staring at me and my friend as we walked past and i tried to ignore it as i felt so grossed out by this huge hulking male in an anime wig. he was almost 2m tall and big. i have never witness a specimen like this before and my friend is super normie and she almost got scared. there was little kids around too and early morning. it was just so weird to me, sorry if this is super mild to american nonnies but holy shit.

No. 10268

>>10266 i messed this post up sorry, esl. i was with my mother and friend and me and her walked alone.

No. 10271

in women especially this gendershit is like the new millennial/zillennial quarter-to-midlife crisis. I keep seeing old female friends who are clearly just lesbians in denial jump headfirst into the enby trap as they turn 30 or get a few years into 30. one after another, they get a shitty haircut and start dressing in fucking suspenders like old dudes. god. it's fucking so cringe, beyond turning it into her whole personality and the only thing the posts about one of them is even going so far as to make it her whole career, like she is some kind of genderspecialist office Hitler now?? it's fucking incomprehensible. I always admired her, I thought she was too smart for this, but I guess getting older and still being alone can do really weird shit to people's brains.

No. 10284

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apologies for autism in advance but i recently desisted a few months back (confronted a lot of my internalized lesbophobia, misogyny, still a work in progress obviously etc) but my girlfriend is still sipping the kool-aid

she's not too bad in terms of tras but she has pcos and has been seen as "masculine" all her life so of course troons would take advantage of that and it's honestly kind of heartbreaking and infuriating to see female issues like pcos loop back to TIMs

i wish i could help her peak but i'm an autist and i'm way too intense and clumsy about shit like that. i love her so much and she just deserves better than men preying on her insecurities under the guise of progressiveness

No. 10288

You don't know just how scary they are until you see them irl. It's easy to laugh at them looking stupid online but seeing them close to you makes your skin crawl

No. 10289

>one after another, they get a shitty haircut and start dressing in fucking suspenders like old dudes
It's funny how all of these people "being their true self" all look and act the same.
It's annoying to me as someone with an unnatural dyed hair color to have people look at me and think I have pronouns and shitty opinions because they so often have it. I've found that genderspecials nearly always have short hair though, it's extremely rare to find one with hair past their shoulders unless they're mtf troons (in which case you can see that they're men anyway). So the longer the (dyed) hair is the less likely they are to be in the gendercult.

Happy that you peaked nona! Even though you're clumsy maybe you can still express that you think her fully natural female features aren't actually masculine, because they're literally a natural variation of features on a female body. (Males obviously can't have polycystic OVARY syndrome) There is actually nothing masculine about that when you think about it. Maybe you can tell her you think it's unfair of people to say that makes her or anyone else "less female/feminine" just because they have a female-only condition.

Maybe you can even tell her your desisting situation? Don't tell her what to believe, just express what you felt and feel now, you know?

No. 10299

I have really short hair and it feels bad when I think about how some think I might be a genderspecial. Thank god no weirdo asked for my pronouns, because I'd probably tear them a new one if someone asks

No. 10300

I have really short hair and it feels bad when I think about how some think I might be a genderspecial. Thank god no weirdo asked for my pronouns, because I'd probably tear them a new one if someone asks

No. 10301

Oops, mobile lolcow what the fuck

No. 10306

Jojo spoilers for anime spergs

New Joestar has a TIM brother who dresses like a girl. I got so excited for a brown female Joestar but they had to make her a moid for no fucking reason. I love the series but this part is gonna be painful to consoom

No. 10307

I'm in a gossip fb group and there was a post about Playboy Carti abusing his pregnant gf (won't post screenshots bc it's in my national language). The moid who posted it added at the end that PB's music will be his 'guilty pleasure' now and he was called out on it and some girl commented 'obviously a man wrote this'. Guess what, moids that responded to her first tried to pull 'not all men!!!' card and then went with non-binary bullshit, which obviusly is the ultimate mouth-closer for handmaidens. But no, gender shit is not a way for men to silence women and avoid any conversation about male violence. This feels like a fucking Truman Show, when will this end? I honestly miss 2016-2018 era of feminism, even with its stupid trends like 'eyeliner sharp enough to kill a man', at least we could talk more freely about moids' violence and 'not all men' was an actual meme.

No. 10311

isn't he just a cross dresser? i'm pretty sure it's just twitter retards who assumed he's trans since the manga refers to him as male?

No. 10317

thank you nonnie! i've talked a little bit about desisting with her and she agreed and shared the same sentiments i feel but i haven't talked to her in depth about it (ie. the amount of misogyny in trans activism, the porn sickness, etc) i talked to an irl the other day about all of that and she agreed with everything i said so i feel like that's good practice

knowing there's women out there to help me and that i can help in turn really means a lot… i love all you nonnies thank you

No. 10322

I had to quit doing something I enjoyed because a tim joined. It wasn’t just because he is a man but because he is a wife beater and I thought it was so fucked up that he would go out of his way to participate in this considering that. Nobody seems to care that he did this and it makes me so upset because I was in an abusive relationship at one point and it was eye opening seeing the women there fawning over this man despite what he did.
I am just so angry about it all and have hardly anyone I can vent to about this. I have been peaked for awhile but have had few personal interactions with trans people other than seeing lots of the ones posted in the mtf thread irl, despite living in a super pro trans place that has tons of them. I should have known it was only a matter of time.

No. 10333

nta, but could you give some blatant examples of video games with a lot of violence towards women? Just so I have a short list at hand that I'm going to use as comparison during arguments, I'm not sure which video games are considered overly popular because I mostly keep myself to small indie games.

No. 10336

i am so sorry but the enby corner had me rolling. of course the psychological and physical implications of TiFs/TiMs is awful, but there's something so funny about pure theater kid autism. godspeed nona

No. 10337

my bio classes in college so far have been troon magnets. last semester had the typical autism TiM. He wore cat ears every day, and indeed used the women's restroom. This semester there's two, a TiM and a Tif. The TiM goes by Alice and wears minecraft merch. The TiF wound up in my lab group, she has a talent for making the guy in my lab group get pissed off, so they end up arguing and by the end of lab I have a headache. I seriously have been bringing ibuprofen with me because I never know if it's going to devolve or not. She clearly has some social issues and so I feel kind bad, but she's genuinely insufferable to talk with.

I feel like there's a very specific breed of 1st gen/raised by immigrant trannies, especially european ones. The cat ear guy was Hungarian and the girl right now is Russian. My going theory is that, much like how super liberal children seem to be rebelling against super conservative parents, european immigrant children are faced with a stricter home and culture, but want to identify with white american kids. I've never seen a single indian or asian transgender (despite knowing they exist), and I think it's because there's still an element of not wanting to disrespect your parents and home culture. The european children couldn't care less because they typically fit in wherever they go. I just see so many kids, especially eastern/central/former iron curtain european that wind up shaving half their head and going bun-self

No. 10339

Tired of getting vagued about how it's okay to be trans in spaces where I'm sure to see it, where they weren't before. Tired of not being allowed to talk about my frustrations with misogyny in relation to gender performance (shouldn't this be basic?)
I respect my trans friends. I've never questioned their identities, their journeys. So why is it so difficult to swallow and taboo for me to have detransitioned? What's with the constant subtle implication that I'm trans, just misguided?
I don't know a single female autist that isn't trans around me. I don't know a single GNC woman. You either fit into the narrow concept of what a woman is, or you transition. How unproductive. How can anybody grow with this escapist mindset?
Face the music, and advocate for change. Those who transition to wash their hands of womanhood while leaving their peers in the trenches are shameful. Not everybody has the means or privilege to just opt out of womanhood.
I don't know. When I detranstioned, it was because it was what I thought best for me. Just that, nothing questioning the identities of others. But the reaction to it… I'd be lying if I said it wasn't peaking me.
It scares me. I don't want to resent my friends. And I'm terrified that if I slip and say the wrong things or ask the wrong questions, it'll plant seeds of doubt in my peers regarding my allyship. Detransition already means that I have to walk on glass. It shouldn't be like this. I didn't think it would be like this.
I believe that I've made the right choice. But it makes me sad to see reality.

No. 10361

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I know that Harry Potter Legacy has been discussed in every thread now and anons are probably tired of seeing it lol.
I have been watching some character customization videos of this game and noticed that you can't chose sex. It let's you chose a bunch of preset character and then you can work on your character from there. When it comes to voices you can chose Voice one(male) and voice two(female). I hate that the put the male voice first.
And they ask you what dorm you want to use instead of just asking you if you are a girl or a boy. To be fair, they did put witch first but I suspect it was because it's sorted alphabetical. At least the first preset character they have is a girl but It hunk that they give you a random preset character at each new game. What's the point of this? Harry Potter's fanbase has always is mostly women and girls. 10 years ago many companies didn't even want to add female protagonists in their games and now they don't even want to acknowledge that women exist.
You just know that some moid is going to make a character that looks and sounds like a boy but put him in the witches dorm so he can play out his fetish of spying on girls at sleepovers. Why is it only franchises with female fans that troon panders. Why are women always forced to be "inclusive"?

No. 10362

My 12 year old little sister is calling herself cis in her bio and lesbian aromantic what the fuck

No. 10370

We all do cringe shit at 12. She’ll get over it but you have to nudge her in the right direction without seeming forceful or preachy

No. 10384

I hate how everyone in the game uses they/them pronouns for the player character. It sets a dangerous precedent and now I'm afraid that future games will never acknowledge your character as a woman again.

No. 10386

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Well nonnies, I have recently peaked after seeing all of the Dylan Mulfaggy shit plague my socials. I have always questioned TRAs and the trans movement but never went looking for answers as I was afraid of being outed as a transphobe by my peers. I live in a very liberal state and all of my friends are libs, so I'm afraid of them finding out that I have changed my views on trans people. It really fucking sucks as I have to larp my way through College and fit in with people that I have nothing in common with. I just wish I could find my crowd and not feel like I have to lie about every single aspect about myself in order for people to like me.

No. 10387

Yeah I hate it too. They already have seperate lines for "witch/wizard" and for whichever house you're in. This is just lazy, immersion breaking, and kinda sexist with how it's erasing the fact that you're a woman. Being able to play as a female protagonist has always been such a big deal in games but now game devs can overlook that.

No. 10388

I can see how it might be more time and cost efficient to just have voice actors do one line instead of multiple takes for both genders, so in some games I somewhat get it, but it doesn't make sense in Hogwarts Legacy if they already have different lines depending on if you're a witch/wizard…
I really hope the gaming industry is not going to erase women altogether, it's already hard to find games where women isn't overly sexualized, but not represented at all? Fuck that. I'm a millenial and I almost got into fistfights with my friends as a kid because I couldn't believe Samus was a woman, because of the lack of female representation at the time it was inconceivable that you could play as female characters, especially strong ones. It took several years for me to realize how wrong I was, and I think that mindset of mine at the time is such a good example of how important female representation is and it has made a few of my friend that previously didn't think it was such a big deal really think when I brought it up.

No. 10391

Girls used to have to play as male protagonists, with no female option in a lot of games. When there was a female to play she was called Booby McTits and for men to drool over. It slowly changed to be inclusive of females, only to now revert back so we can't play as female anymore. No girl/woman/female option, no she/her. We're back to not existing. In the name of progression.

Yet the 2 body options are always a male and a female body. The voices are male and female voices. But you can't ever acknowledge that it's female, that's evil and bigoted. Male is already seen as the default so it's less of an issue for them (but equally stupid). For whom is this done? The extremely small minority of "nonbinary people who exclusively use they/them" of the already small minority of "trans people"?

If a person is genuinely so mentally ill that hearing someone use he/she in a game and it gives them a panic attack they need to log off and go to fucking therapy. That is severe mental illness and it's not on anyone else to cure them, that's a personal thing they have to do themselves.

No. 10392

Sorry about your situation but glad you peaked nona! You could try to peak a friend or two. If possible always play dumb and disinterested in trans topics, don't give them the satisfaction of answering "trans women are women" and so on, just casually change the topic instead. Lolcow is great for venting about troons so you don't accidentally blow up in their face with common sens- I mean transphobia.

No. 10394

Maybe this is a little petty, but I absolutely hate the trend of calling butch/unfeminine female characters nonbinary or trans; they say they don't care about gender roles but they go mask off with any female character that is totally unfeminine and it's really insulting. I also love really feminine and cute male characters in fiction and I hate that TiFs always aggressively latch onto them. It's not actually harming me, but it's still insulting and uncomfortable and it makes me feel bad for liking characters like the ones mentioned. I really love feminine guys and masculine women and they're super attractive to me and I guess I sorta get too invested in them and take personal offense when people try to make it go back to rigid gender norms. So yes, it's admittedly childish for me to get worked up over this, but I will personally die on this hill. I hate the trans-washing of fictional characters I like.

No. 10401

It pisses me off too nona. One of my favorite characters in an anime I love and relate to has people claiming shes non binary like stfu they completely missed the point

No. 10403

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> >post in a women’s sub about men making everything about themselves

> >multiple men come make everything about themselves again in the comments forcing OP to apologize.

I haven’t peaked this hard ever. I’m just at my limit. Reddit hates women so I’m not sure why I still use it.

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One of the comments from a male.

No. 10406

Fucking disgusting.

You're not allowed to say AFAB - it exludes males
You're not allowed to say female - it excludes males
You're not allowed to say girl/woman if you don't pretend that includes males
You're not allowed to say menstruators unless you pretend it includes males

You are (currently) allowed to say uterus-havers and birthgivers - but only if you take utmost care to tiptoe around it and make sure males aren't upset by it (but they still are)

It's literally never going to be enough for them, they want women to have no way of talking about ourselves. They hate women. They want us to not exist, so they do the second best thing and make sure we don't exist in language or law so we can be subordinate to the "real women", the transwomen. So a woman will mean a transwoman, and a real woman is just a uterus-haver and future birthgiver.

No. 10408

I hate this too. Worst for me is Zuko from Avatar.

No. 10414

rather ironic he dedicates his life to larping as a woman yet can't bring himself to stop mansplaining

No. 10417

I relate a lot nona, it scares me that my education could be in jeopardy if I ever spoke my mind to my friends. I would be socially isolated without question. All I want is safety for women and to be able to talk openly about women's issues without being scrutinised – I peaked with my younger sister and we are very likeminded which is a relief, but I know if my moid ever found out my true feelings about trannies then our relationship might be on the rocks. I remember I used the word 'female' to refer to myself and he accused me of sounding 'kinda terfy'. If only he knew. I hope that one day my sister and I will be able to speak our minds freely with other women but my country very actively punishes anti-trans talk.

No. 10418

If your bf accuses you of sounding “terfy,” then there’s not much hope of getting him to be more open minded about trans issues hurting women. If your bf is more casual and passive about it, there could be a chance. But unfortunately it’s unlikely. Test the waters with him by asking him what he thinks about mtfs in women’s prisons. Ask him about the mtfs who have impregnated women and the one who raped a woman, and if he thinks that’s an okay “trade off”. If he is not willing to entertain even housing them separately in womens prisons away from women then he’s too far gone to even consider other conflicts that aren’t as obvious.

No. 10419

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two busted most manly looking trannys
comments: omfg!!! stunning yasss queen

kek the overcompensation is so obvious even the troons can tell at this point

No. 10422

I don't mind people having trans headcanons that much because I just can't bring myself to care enough to be mad about it, but nowadays it seeps too often into the mainstream and the fandom just collectively agrees that the character is a tranny and you must use such and such pronouns. I might be overjoyed to see a GNC female character for once and now me acknowledging her as one is erasing her nonbinary identity and misgendering "them", or I might be really into a gay couple but suddenly the fandom retcons the more effeminate one as a vaguely "nonbinary" identified due to some bastardized interpretation of the canon. It now gets so bad that fandom wikis have the pronouns changed, and in the case of a non-English series, even the official translation picks it up. Even if the gender has clearly been stated in the original language version. It's unbelievably demoralizing.

No. 10423

Exactly. That’s why I went into a peaking rage. I actually got on my alt account and DMed the OP saying:

>> Sorry all of those men proved you right about them always making things about themselves. They can’t help themselves even when they call themselves women.

Planting seeds to hopefully awaken her even though my chances are slim

No. 10424

>the use of AFAB and AMAB here comes across quite exclusionary
It's SUPPOSED to be exclusionary! Because it is! "AFABs" and "AMABs" have different experiences growing up due to their biological traits! You need to be able to talk about the other without including the another because they don't share the same issues! This is the kind of ridiculous language policing and arm twisting these people do because they just want to shut all talk about female oppression up by making everyone walk on this mine field of hurt feelings.

Imagine if they hijacked a discussion about racism like this, whining about how they got bullied growing up too so you can't exclude their white asses out of the conversation. I'm sorry mister sophie_is_trans but your kind of "female" autism sounds very male in its entitlement, disregard of social codes and aggressiveness.

No. 10426

This is partly why we should never use afab and amab. People tried SO hard to accommodate them by not saying man and woman while still trying to talk about biological reality. They're still pissed off they get excluded. They don’t care if women get erased and suffer because of what they're doing. Always just use man and woman nonas. Ignore anyone commenting "hurrdurr but trans" because they're a waste of time.
The second reason to not use it is because no one is assigned a gender at birth, your sex is just observed.

No. 10446

Peaking is so weird. I don't understand how I went so long entertaining the idea that men could be women on some level. At most I thought their brains "functioned like female brains while being a male brain" because of some old tumblr post stating there were studies on it. So I wasn't even THAT deep into it. (And the brain thing was proven to not even be close to true) And I still insisted that "trans women are women". Then again I was a literal teenager during those days so I had no idea what it all really meant for society to treat them like women. I just thought it was saying she/her and them using a bathroom stall next to me at most, and lying about them looking good in female clothes to be nice.
It really feels like leaving a cult, or waking up from a nightmare. It's strange.

No. 10447

I hate how fucking narcissistic and egotistical the trans community is. You can't even fucking breathe, especially as a woman, without them making it about themselves somehow. Even worse when they get a chance to live out their kink of calling you a transphobe for any made up reason of the day. I wish I was a normie so I would be happily unaware of how every corner online panders to these people.

No. 10448

Better distance yourself from these people as much as you can. I started unfollowing, muting and blocking every person talking about trans stuff on my social media feeds, it's made life a lot better kek

No. 10449

I find it slightly depressing to see that rainbow flag with the troon flag shoehorned in flying right above said troon flag itself. It's insane how true the "they don't live rent free in your head, they kick your door in and shit on the carpet" is becoming to me. Why are historical gay neighborhoods bending over the fuck backwards for a small mentally ill percentage of the population?
Bleak. I'm glad LC exists. I'd probably lose all my friends if they knew how done I am with this shit.

No. 10463

holy kek nona im so late on this bc i saw this just now but i came back to ttr a few months ago (before the pronoun update). the pronoun picker update is actually a recent thing, probably was released in october 2022 or somewhere around that time. i was actually surprised there wasnt tranny shit in the game before this considering the fanbase is full of them, but it happened eventually.

the pronoun picker update was so out of left field. instead of QOL shit they could do like implementing chat logs which people have been asking for the longest time, they just HAD to put something to appeal to the trannies. i do know what youre talking about tho with the "tranny colors" in the catalog. before i peaked, i hadn't thought anything of it since those clothes have been in the game for a few years now, but when i came back after my hiatus, i immedaitely had a suspicion that someone on the dev team was a tranny because the pink/white/blue colors are just way too much of a coincidence.

despite how bleak it looks, its hilarious when you check other people's info on the game and 50% of the time, they put whatever pronouns sound the most ridiculous. i've seen ay/e/nis or something like that going around, and even "em/i/nim". i personally use "ay/its/him" (my toon is a boy, don't think too hard on it nonas i just like the boy clothes since clothes arent unisex on this game) or "ay/aye". nobody actually uses the proper pronouns to refer to other people anyway because nobody bothers to check, especially during battle. it's hilarious how the devs had to find a way to forcibly change the order of how some pronoun combinations worked because people were making bad words with them (per/ver/it for pervert, ay/nis for anus).

and then the trannies are mad too because they cant type in a custom pronoun (since that means it would also have to be whitelisted in the chat, which the devs don't like doing because they're afraid of people finding ways to get around the chat filter to say swear words). seriously, this was the stupidest idea ever and no one asked for it except for trannies crying about how they get misgendered on a disney game because they made their avatar 5 years ago but now theyve transitioned, so now every time someone says "he" or "she" they get unbearable dysphoria kek.

trust me nona i felt the same dread as you when i saw the pronoun picker at first, but i stopped caring once i saw how people were putting the most ridiculous shit on there kek. you can definitely tell there's people who dont buy into the pronoun shit on this game and it makes me smile every time i see them. otherwise you can usually clock a tranny if they put "they/them" or "it/its". it doesn't impact gameplay much since people usually refer to each other by the species of their toon anyway. don't let it stop you from enjoying the game nona.

No. 10475

This is what I do. though I may be more extreme about it. I block everyone I see with trans anything in their bio, following or not. Trans flag is an auto block along with anything about supporting the troons. On discord I do not friend anyone with pronouns in their about section, because everyone I knew with them was just… we didn't get along, or I got extremely annoyed trying to talk to them. Sucks to see an old friend of mine from my teen years has it/they in her about section now, and calls people "a non-binary icon!" last I talked to her…

No. 10486

nta but lmao I love this, can I steal it for whenever I get an opportunity?

No. 10493

it's so depressing how so many young women on social media are either an enby or a tif. what's so bad about simply being a woman?

No. 10507

Because sex = stereotypes now thanks to TRAs. If you're not a stereotypical hyper-femme bimbo performing for loser men, then you're clearly genderspecial!

We're moving backwards as a society and becoming more sexist now thanks to these people.

No. 10508

kek go right ahead

forgot to mention in my post but thankfully, no children actually play this game. its very obscure since the game originally shut down 10 years ago, so the only people who know about it enough to find it are people who are college-aged (main demographic of tranny shit) who just want to relive their childhood nostalgia. most children are probably playing mobile shit nowadays

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Hi ladies it’s me, autism-chan. Back again with my Second Peak of the Week. I can’t believe this is happening again within 3 days. Again, this is in the autisminwomen sub. Men are actively taking over a space meant for women who have trouble standing up for themselves, What a shock! And female autism is directly linked to PMDD so YES biology matters and affects how we navigate the world outside of just presenting autism symptoms differently.

From the screenshot I shared here the other day, the guy complained that it’s been hard for him to get diagnosed. The diagnosis process is VERY thorough and if you don’t get diagnosed you just don’t have autism. Stop acting persecuted and talking over real women in our space! I’m going to lose my shit.

This is proof that no matter how much of a handmaiden you try to be, they will always hate us for being women and especially if we ever dare to remind them that they aren’t.

No. 10796

I’m so fucking sad rn nonas. My best friend’s boyfriend trooned out. I had a feeling something was going down when she started referring to him by they them pronouns but today it was fully she/her. it’s so fucked because she’s the perfect handmaiden for this kind of shit, she thinks she’s unlovable because she’s fat and that no one else will ever want her so I know she’s going to stick with this shitbag no matter what happens. God. GOD. I really wanted to visit her in her city too but I don’t know how I’ll be able to tolerate this, I guess at least knowing about it now I can maybe try to mentally prepare myself. Fuck

No. 10799

I hope you can get some time with her to encourage her to open up about how she's really feeling about it. If she's normally surrounded by handmaidens and tras then the messaging she has absorbed is that she has no right to feel like she's grieving, no right to feel sad or angry, or certainly no right to talk about it. It could be really good for her to have someone safe to express these feelings too, without you capitalising on them or using them to make a point.

No. 10804

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Guys I feel pretty radicalized lately in a generally angry way. Like I just want to individually tell every single troon that he’s not a woman. The only issue I really even have with TIFs is that they enable and support TIMs. Someone tell me, am I getting too passionate about this and caring too much? Or is it everyone else that’s too relaxed?

No. 10832

I feel like normies really haven't exercised a lot of critical thought about it yet, so – yeah, I think almost everyone is fairly unconcerned about the issue right now. Maybe the more men in wigs the see, making an absolute mockery of women, the more they'll start to wake up. Maybe it's already happening.

Anyway, you're justifiably enraged. I get livid every time I see another hulking manbeast sashaying around in an ill-fitting outfit, trying to parody myself back at myself. We should all be mad.

No. 10835

why do trannies put so little effort into voice training? i really don’t mind them as long as they keep to their own but that braindead fucking whiny whisper lisp outs them the second they open their esophagus. is that really what they think women sound like?

No. 10842

To be fair, you can't make your larynx get shorter. It's just another biology thing. Larynx shortening surgeries also don't seem to be a popular thing (yet). Probably would be kinda dangerous to do.

No. 10843

I hate this like you can't even fathom. I can't even get into how much I hate this shit, and how disgusting the implications are.

No. 10855

I'm tired, nonnas. I'm tired of losing friends on this madness.
I'm tired of call "he" or neutral pronouns (which don't exist in my language so we have to cut the last syllabe and doing unnatural sounds, for us) obvious girls otherwise they see it as a hate speech.
I'm tired of calling "she" ogres otherwise I'm afraid I'll get shout at, and I'm a victim of domestic violence so this kind of shit makes me panic, or even being afraid of being beaten.
I'm tired of seeing gender norms being reinforced (shirt and pants means I don't feel like a girl teehee), I'm tired of seeing men being praised for wearing eyeshadow but women being called pickmes if they do.
I'm tired of dragqueens and their living consisting of hating women.
I'm tired of "kinky people" (dog fuckers and borderline pedophiles) being accepted at pride, meanwhile couple of lesbians are still being molested.
I'm tired of "allies" going to prides only to get wasted.
I'm tired of HRT talk and getting denied/hard to find hormonal therapy of my pcos due to some man in a dress deciding he has priority over me, a woman with a dysfunctional uterus

"Don't engage in that" IS HARD.
This is hard, nonnas.
When your friends of 15-20 years is buying into the gender bullshit, is hard.
Seeing them falling into a cult state over your friendship is hard, being alone is hard.
Being afraid is hard, changing your fucking language is hard. Everything is hard when you feel alone in this. PLease, let this bubble burst…I'm tired…….

No. 10867

I just want to rule over a country that is all for women's rights. If only…

No. 10873

same. same all the way. specially the losing friends part. Fuuuuuck

No. 10876

I don't know when I started peaking or what made me start but I've only just realized that I have been over the past couple months. I've been starting to engage a bit more in gender critical discussions online through socials that no one I know follows me on/can track what I'm commenting on and as the days go by I start to identify more and more with radical feminism, especially trans-exclusionary/gender critical feminism. Part of me feels bad because I don't believe in being outright cruel to people solely for identifying as trans and I know a few trans people and they seem fine otherwise. I just wish I could talk to my boyfriend about how I see things without fear or him shunning me for being "transphobic". I've briefly touched on related topics before and we seem to see eye-to-eye so I don't think he would, at least not immediately, but despite us being together for the better part of a decade I can't help but feel like I'm always walking on eggshells around everyone I know. I'm scared of people finding out or getting a hint of what's on my mind. I hate that it feels this way. Part of me hopes this is just a phase I'm in and I grow out of it, the other part hopes the rest of the world just needs a little more time to catch up.

No. 10877

I will vent and reeeeee about the worst troons on lc in secret, but I still think irl to peak friends you need some compassion (which I do have). I fully get why girls want to be boys in this world, and I get why the slightly feminine men think being a girl would be easier for them. I don't think their various mental illnesses that lead to trooning out is easy to deal with. I feel for a lot of them.

However it's just… not ok, almost none of it is. Telling people the other gender has it better so they hurt themselves chasing this ideal is not ok. Advocating for hurting kids medically isn't ok. Insisting boys wearing pink makes them less male or more female isn't ok. Denying science isn't ok, saying real therapy is "conversion therapy" isn't ok. Saying dead-naming or using the "wrong" pronouns is bigoted isn't ok. Saying men are oppressed by women if they put on makeup and a dress isn't ok. Silencing women for expressing any kind of mild concern isn't ok.

No. 10895

anon are you me??? to be honest it started a little before the jkr thing because one of these fucks moved into my basement and trashed it to shit and decided to subtly insult me every time he saw me.
THEN after the whole “i’m not a trans woman, i’m a real woman” started picking up i had enough. especially with weirdos talking about their periods when they can’t even have one. what the fuck? is that all a woman is to you? dresses and periods? but i can’t say shit to my boyfriend because a trans person he works with got to him first with their fucking propaganda. i can’t even explain that there are some men that “transition” just to harm women without him getting skeptical. now i have to word my shit so carefully.
i feel bad calling the person i spoke about a he but if he’s going to disrespect me for simply being a woman with a vagina, i’m going to disrespect him.
i don’t even hate all of them. i just can’t stand the level of entitlement and how they decided to just change all the rules to pander to them and everyone else sucks and just doesn’t understand, especially women.
i’m sure i’ll relax on the amount of anger this topic brings me but right now i’ve fully peaked and i feel both guilty and not at the same time.

No. 10899

hii nona! i'm ayrt as well as the same anon who referred you to this thread from the mtf one. i like this thread a lot as it serves as a reminder that we aren't the only people who feel this way in this clown world and it's not uncommon to feel guilty about it. we just have to remember that we're anonymous here and we don't have to worry about anyone finding out or catering to their pronouns while we vent as much as we want and need to. it's nice.

i wish it was easier to openly discuss how trans ideology effects the rest of society. i know there's ways to do it without expressing hatred towards trans people, but they tend to be so entitled (especially TIMs) that any woman bold enough to try and start these discussions is almost immediately written off and labelled a terf. i hate how entitled they are in general. there are times i feel like going on tangeants about how estrogen doesn't give you a cycle, about how women should be prioritized for uterine transplants before transwomen, about how trans rights directly work AGAINST womens rights and how the narrative went from being against gender roles to reinforcing them, and the list goes on and on and only grows longer as the days pass but i can't. i feel helpless.

i also hope to be able to move on eventually and hopefully the nagging tranny voice in the back of my head gets quieter as time goes on as i continue to advance in my own life, but this is also the most comfortable i've ever been with myself as a person so i also wonder if this newfound happiness is what made me finally able recognize the disrespect exhibited by these people towards women. it's very conflicting and exhausting.

No. 10900

nonna i dont have much advice but i can say this is exactly how i peaked. slowly and then all at once back in 2018. i wish i could say that the walking on eggshells feeling goes away but it really doesnt. i often wish i could unpeak bc all of my friend group is adjacent to the troon cause or trans themselves. i miss just being able to 'yes and' trans conversations instead of feeling like im two seconnds away from misgendering a man that is right in front of me. i've found friendships with older women to be comforting, as older millenials and beyond seem to be the right amount of normie to carry friendships and conversations. i think its super hard to unpeak when peaked unless you are a minor tbh, ive seen some 'ex radfems' but they all got into radfem stuff at ages 15-16, which of course is just not healthy for any child imo. like go play video games. wish i could say that it gets better but in my experience peaking is a one way ticket and you'll never be able to go back to pretending a man is a woman tbh. hoping the best for you

No. 10914

>i wish i could say that the walking on eggshells feeling goes away but it really doesnt.
I have several peaked friends now and it feels SO much better to be able to talk to people about it irl without having to pretend you buy into it at all. Even just one person to physically talk to freely irl helps a lot.

>they tend to be so entitled (especially TIMs) that any woman bold enough to try and start these discussions is almost immediately written off and labelled a terf

Unless it's a close friend you care deeply about: do NOT waste time on these people, see >>10048
Especially the point
>When frustrated by the trans ideology, ignore the ideology and instead directly support people taking actions against it, or supporting victims of it (not social media influences, but real organizations)
speaks to me because most troons spend all of their time online yelling on social media but they don't actually do much outside of it because they're lazy autists without social skills who just want to be angry and consume their coomer material. Real organizations actually have power to stop them and educate others about them.
And reminder that TIMs are mentally ill MEN who will see you as a target if you go against them, they are a real potential threat to your safety as a female. Do not engage with them at all in person as they can get violent and hurt you. Please stay safe.

No. 10966

Tip-toeing around trans pronouns era is over, correctly sexing pronouns era is here.
It's so narcissistic to demand people use specific words while talking about them in third person when they're not around. It's got nothing to do with wanting respect, it's all about wanting to control others thoughts because you're a selfish, insecure narcissist.
If someone hated my guts and called me "that fugly slut" behind my back when I'm not around that has literally zero impact on my life. If it bothered me I would rightfully be called out as incredibly insecure and unreasonable for letting it bother me. But these people think saying she/her to a woman is a hate crime that warrants severe punishment! Insane.

And god is it annoying to pretend a they/them is magically totally not at all a girl! We all know she's a female, she's not even gnc she's just wearing a black hoodie lmao

No. 10970


Nona I'm right there with you in the sense that i don't actually hate trans people, I'm just aggravated by the entitlement and narcissism, and getting increasingly mad at how women's issues are being appropriated and fetishized, all while the country i live in is making abortion illegal.
I just wanted to say that regarding not being able to talk to your bf about it, maybe just give it time. At some point I had given up being totally honest about how i felt when discussing it with my husband, especially the part where i believe it's a trend, because he saw it as me being intolerant and reading too much weird shit online. He basically was like "this doesn't actually happen as much as you claim, put your phone down you're overthinking it". Then one day his best friend told him his teenage daughter who had always been into super girly stuff was now going by instert boy name and they/them and asked for a binder. And that half her classmates were doing the same shit. Long story short my husband was telling me about it and actually said something along the lines of "i owe you an apology you were right". Sometimes they just need something that's closer to home to believe it, especially in a climate where voicing any dissonant opinion will get you labeled a bigot.

No. 10993

my friend is a diehard tranny supporter yet doesnt even realize she has beliefs that would consider her terfy. she calls herself a lesbian (shes bi at best, has dated and fucked men in the past and still jerks off to them) and says shes only into women with vaginas… which of course would automatically get her called a terf by any tranny. she was getting angry that a straight man was saying hes "lesbian in the same way she is" because they both like women. how does she not realize this is what TIMs literally are. theyre straight men who transition because they claim they like women "in a lesbian way". she mostly interacts with TIFs because thats her friend group, so thats why shes such a handmaiden for trannies. she preaches the whole "be kind, it doesnt cost you anything to use the correct pronouns" shit but kek i hope she interacts with TIMs more and eventually gets called a terf.

No. 10994

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My friend has a TIM acquaintance she occasionally hangs out with, she is usually pretty terfy but she considers this one pretty friendly (as in, he stays in his own lane and dislike the TRA cult think) so she is on good terms with him. She talked to him about how she keeps getting "genderneutral" men with full beards and occasional twirly skirt pic trying to hit her up on lesbian dating apps, and of course the troon goes "wow, it's weird that you keep having issues with those", and didn't fully see why she considered it insulting, but then later on complains about how he could never date a butch lesbian because in that case he might as well date a man. My friend's face was basically picrel.

No. 11004

It's hard to imagine that so many of you have to walk on eggshells around your boyfriend/husband. Even in Western countries most men aren't exactly feminists but somehow they're woke enough to get offended by their gf questioning the whole gender identity BS and men in dresses? I understand how so many women are handmaidens because we're socialized to be empathetic, care about vulnerable people, and most of us can understand to some extent what TIFs go through because a lot of teenage girls have a self-hating/NLOGism phase to escape misogyny etc. But (straight) men? Other men wearing women's clothing is like peak humor to them. They know they would never fuck a transwoman. Why would they be this affected by their gf admitting that they don't believe in this shit. It doesn't mean that they have to disrespect trannies in public. I don't get it. And here I thought that (straight) men would be the easiest to peak or wouldn't even need peaking…

No. 11006

It's men sympathizing with men, and men lashing out at women when they talk down about a group of men, nonna. Same reason why most of them are quicker to drill a rape survivor instead of provide support.

A lot of them find TiMs gross, but will be quicker to blame the woman in the TiM's life, whether "it's his mom's fault he's a sissy" or "his wife and daughter should be more supportive instead of abandoning him. Men don't have the best solidarity until misogyny comes up. It's almost a subconscious thing. I've had it happen to me by a scrote when I said lesbians are allowed to exclude TiMs at their clubs/parties. It triggered a way-too-long Discord rant out of him about suffering trannies. Same guy later on got flashed and hit on by one of his TiM friends who'd been crushing on him and just gets nervous or dodges tranny topics now.

Also keep in mind that a lot of these straight men who seem like the last type to defend troons could already be on the pipeline, as the majority of the troons we're dealing with were once exactly like these guys and are now "translesbians." Men are sensitive little buttbeasts. It's best not to overthink their random attacks. They certainly don't put any thought into it.

No. 11008

Yeah you're right and it's depressing.
>"it's his mom's fault he's a sissy or "his wife and daughter should be more supportive instead of abandoning him.
I've seen men say this online but I thought it was mostly incels, MRAs and future trannies. You'd think the average man who has a good relationship with his mother and a girlfriend would relate more to them than AGPs, but apparently not.

No. 11015


I'm >>10899 and fwiw my husband is one of those "raised by women" dudes, i don't think it had anything to do with him siding with other scrotes, it's more him being afraid of coming off something-phobic or bigoted. I never even brushed the AGP shit with him, just the narcissism and social contagion aspect. It's also generally not a subject i bring up in public, I have a customer facing job in a close-knit industry and I'm not trying to shoot myself in the foot.

No. 11016

I think there are a lot of factors.
>Men protecting other men
No matter what they say they see TIMs as men and instinctually want to protect their homies. They'd never date them unless they're bi or gay but they pretend they would, especially when they don't have to because they're already in a relationship with a real woman. Luckily for them most troons are straight ("lesbians" kek) and therefore have no interest in them as men, and their own girlfriends are straight so they won't get taken away by this "trans lesbian".
>They don't want to go against their depressed autist friend
Every gamer guy knows at least one. It's rare that regular offline scrotes are handmaidens but every second gamer guy is. When it's their friend it's harder to be objective, and it's easier to pretend when they're just a name on the discord screen and you don't see how obviously male they look and act irl.
>They're a slave to female attention
Girls and women have been pushing trans ideology the most, being onboard gets you female attention, laid, a girlfriend/wife. Men also fall for the peer pressure and want to feel like they're part of the cult.
>Men like to fight
They're more competitive in general, that's why they need to have a sports team to cheer for. They're easily roped into a "us VS them" mentality.
>They get to hate women and minorities
For the ones who have some kind of inclination towards hating these groups they now get to openly express it. They get to hate women = terfs. They get to hate gay people for not wanting to date troons (or not dating them, if they're lesbians). They get to spew their racism and nazi ideas "black women look like men, jews are goblins". And they get praised for doing it.

I know more men than women who haven't bought into it, but the ones who are chronically online are pretty lost to the ideology. The most handmaiden scrote I knew was an autist who really tried to use science to explain why troonism was valid. He did the classic mistake of taking a statement ("transwomen are women") and assuming it was true to then prop it up with any evidence he could, but of course never questioning if it was even true in the first place. And naturally discrediting any source going against the first statement. It got more and more infuriating seeing him claim false sources I've seen disproven many times before (such as AGP being debunked when it wasn't) but I couldn't say anything without outing myself as a terf.

No. 11019

>but I couldn't say anything without outing myself as a terf.
This. This is such an infuriating position. I have been in so many discussions where, despite me having way more undeniable proof of why these made up sources handmaidens and troons spread as gospel are false, my autist friends are too busy digging their heels in to listen to reason so I end up reeling myself in so I don't out myself. If I end up outing myself as a terf anything I say or have said about the subject will be considered moot, and if I managed to at least have them question, even for a wandering moment, if this truly is the hill they want to die on, then that's at least _something_.

No. 11039

>and if I managed to at least have them question, even for a wandering moment, if this truly is the hill they want to die on, then that's at least _something_.
I'm trying to figure out seemingly innocent statements that could make people start to think and peak. Maybe starting off from "trans isn't a fetish or connected to sexuality right?" And when they say "of course not, trans ppl just want to live their life in peace" I could send them screenshots of AGP troons talking about how it's a fetish for them and saying "so these guys are just faking being trans, right??? How could they do this to poor real trans people!"

This is a bit more terfy sounding but if they're female, asking if a transwoman having a boner in the female changing room would make them uncomfortable. Then link some "I'm always having euphoria boners from putting on skirts tehe uwu" posts from troons where all the commentary agrees that it happens to them too and is normal for them

No. 11051

Haven't gotten to use it yet, but I think one innocent question - if the subject itself is ever brought up - would be why it's always "people who give birth" or "people who menustrate" but never "people with boners" or "people who ejaculate".

No. 11053

I hate the fact that these men have co-opted women’s rights movements. I keep seeing more focus on making trans women feel seen rather than actually caring about real women. So many men who were raised with misogynistic beliefs claim to be a woman to invade our spaces and they just expect us to accept it.

No. 11068

It's really lonely once you've peaked. You notice the hypocrisy everywhere, but can't openly talk to anyone irl about it. You might have small victories where 1 or 2 friends cautiously agree with your observations, but then they'll immediately go back to sucking the girldick by sharing some pandering reel on IG as if it's a trans cult confessional and they're atoning for their terven sins. Your other friends are in their mid 30s and on their 100th mental spiral of the month over their retarded gender identity, so you avoid broaching the topic altogether or else you'll get some sanctimonious speech about how evil wizard lady personally murdered their genderspecial friends. Pinche troons, man

No. 11069

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Trannies have ruined fandoms for me. It's probably a sign that I need to grow the fuck up and stop participating in them, I guess. There was a time when I didn't have to filter out every tag related to trannyshit on AO3, when my favorite male characters were never drawn with titchop scars or binders. When gay ships were actually gay and not just one dude and one mentally ill chick on steroids, before people were harassed if they didn't accept popular trans headcanons. I'm tired of fucking EVERYTHING being political, that you're not allowed to like something unless you agree with 100% of the creators' viewpoints or statements. I deeply miss being in a community with other women who were just… women. For every normal woman I meet in fandom spaces, I meet like eight who are Aidens or enbies or what the fuck ever. I miss when the worst things that happened in fandoms were people being cringey at conventions. I miss when no one gave a rat's ass if you shipped something "problematic." I miss when chatrooms and VCs with other women didn't devolve into sperging about being "transmasc" or "such a ghey faggot uwu."

I am so, so nostalgic for the cringey anime and Tumblr fandoms of twelve to fifteen years ago. Just… shamelessly being a bunch of weird teenage girls. You could dress up as your fuckin' husbando, and it was still understood that you were just a girl cosplaying her favorite anime character. Slash was just a fun hobby for straight or bisexual women who like to draw or write about cute guys kissing. You didn't have to ask anyone about their pronouns; if you met someone online through BL or whatever, you could be reasonably certain she was another girl. It was just so fun to be in a space with other nerdy women who were okay with the fact that they weren't hyperfeminine or popular.

That's gone forever now. I'm deeply envious of the people 5-10 years older than me, who got to enjoy it all when they could drive themselves places and buy shit with their own money. Now I have a disposable income and free time, but the fun is gone. Everyone either moved the hell on or cut their tits off. Fills me with ennui.

No. 11073

No it isn't. You seriously haven't seen all the other women artists and yaoi fans on tumblr, lc, Twitter, pixiv etc? They just stick to their own kind. There is far more normal fan content..shounenai.. etc… than tranny garbage. The tranny garbage just sticks out more to you because you hate it, so you give it all your attention which is understandable, but it's actually more rare than the normal female fan content.

No. 11076

I agree nona. I have had a hard time remaining crypto lately. Like getting into arguments with TRAs on my main Instagram and tumblr bc I’m too lazy to make alts. I think it’s because I need a friend to vent to or it’ll come out in ugly ways.

idk if this is allowed but if you look at the thread for making friends (in /ot/ I think? or /g/? I don’t remember) I posted my discord on there like a month ago. I’m probably the only person who is 30 that’s posted any time recently to help you narrow it down kek and I think I mentioned that I like girly anime like Nana. Feel free to add me if you think we’ll get along

No. 11079

>but can't openly talk to anyone irl about it
Have you tried talking to family and older people? I've peaked both my parents who just had no idea what was going on. I've recommended it before in this thread but watch detrans content on youtube, it feels better knowing there are lots of sane people who are now against trans ideology who were once in the cult but still managed to get out.

No. 11080

I haven't even ever been that much into fandoms but I feel you nonna, and this makes me weirdly nostalgic lol. Now I feel like every online community is infested with identity politics, it is so tiring.

No. 11093

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I fucking feel this

No. 11095

OT but is this on AO3 nonna? How do you block tags like this?

No. 11099

It's an addon called AO3 Enhancements

No. 11104

I feel you nona. Meeting a TIF for the first time in fandom is how I peaked. Before, I always figured that most of the people calling themselves trans were attention seekers in the same way people on Tumblr called themselves gay for attention. I still believed "trutrans" people were a thing, much like how gays and lesbians (who aren't spicy straights) exist.

The thing that immediately set me off when I first read my first trans smut fic was how homophobic it was. It was PIV sex yet it was somehow still "gay" just because they were both "men". Characters saying shit like "your genitals don't matter to me, I love you for who you are!" which is the biggest fucking cope and just obvious tranny self-insert. Gay men and lesbians have been constantly told that they just haven't tried the right pussy/dick yet, but somehow they can just ignore genitals as long as the person identifies as the same gender as them. Fucking incredible.

I miss those times as well when girls were just allowed to be cringey shippers and actually talked about the chemistry and dynamic between the characters rather than how gay and trans they are. My fandoms are small but thankfully, most of my fandom friends don't believe in tranny shit either. I really think I'm lucky, but I'm also very careful about interacting with people who set off my spicystraight/tranny detector. I ignore anyone who has pronouns or flags in their bio, and check to see what kind of discourse they engage in. If it's someone who just retweets art and never gets into discourse on Twitter, they're generally safe to befriend.

It sucks that I will never be able to get involved with a larger sphere of my fandoms, but I'm at peace this way. I write fics on AO3 and almost all of the people I've befriended are people who comment on my fics; I don't talk with people on Twitter at all unless they're people I already have added on Discord.

There was one time when a TIF tried to interact with me and befriend me because of my fics, but I grey rocked her very hard kek. Honestly, yes, it is annoying to see tranny fics on AO3, but it also motivates me to finish my own fics, because I'm sure there's people out there who want to read fics that aren't homophobic as hell.

No. 11109

Up until recently I never understood the whole concept of “being proud to be a woman” and shit like that, because it’s just something you’re born with, like being proud to have brown eyes or something. Until I saw all the women my age buying into troon shit as a fashion statement and getting to the point where being “cis” (normal) is like boring and the least cool thing you can be.
It’s given me a weird sense of pride because I know I can be an interesting, dynamic person AND BE A WOMAN. and I can abstain from shaving or wearing makeup and be a creative person without having to rebuild my identity from the ground up.
Plus I have a personality outside of shooting up hormones and dressing like shit kek okay girlboss sperg over

No. 11113

i feel this nonnie. it's to the point where i wonder if i'm not really on the "wrong side of history".

No. 11115

i feel this post too. but i want to say it hurts extra hard when i see a she/her or a she/they or a "any pronouns" retarda and i can tell the ONLY reason they aren't genderspecial is because they're:
>woowoo and artsy minded (extreme handmaidens)
>dating a moid
>actually a tim

No. 11116

i was just thinking about this the other day nona! the stuff i gravitate towards usually has moids as their biggest fanbase so i don't see a lot of tranny shit but the trade-off is… moids obviously lmao.

still see the occasional lesbian ship with one being turned into a TiM because women can't have sex without a penis being involved obviously jesus christ

No. 11118

I've always been supportive of the old school transgender people, the ones just living their lives, minding their own business, but if I have to witness another typically feminine-presenting 'queer enby' zoomer girl, who only dates men, sneering about 'cis women,' I think my eyes might permanently roll to the back of my head. Yes, you are very not like the other girls. If I pat you on the head will you go away?

No. 11119

I feel that way sometimes too and wonder if I'm going insane. It seems so blatantly obvious to me that this whole movement is sexist, homophobic, rife with medical abuse, incompatible with material reality, etc. I don't consider myself super smart or a great critical thinker or anything like that and I just can't comprehend how so many people smarter and more accomplished than me don't see it. Maybe I really am some conspiracy schizo that everyone will look back on with disdain.

No. 11129

>>11004 If I may answer as a straight male, although also a loner that's more familiar with the views of certain online communities than IRL normies.

You definitely have the incels and anti-feminists that blame women for allowing certain ideologies to spiral out of control and relish in seeing women join them in their misery now that feminism is biting them in the ass.

For the more normie men, it's the fact that their media, political parties, institutions, corporate PR departments, all seem in lock step on gender ideology. Accepting that so much of society is pushing a big huge lie and are on the wrong side of history is a tough pill to swallow. That's especially true for the more liberal leaning men (the conservative men might already consider these institutions to be corrupt so it's less of a leap for them). Many men still value being respected by society as "good" and can get away with not thinking too hard about inconsistencies because trans ideology ultimately doesn't negative impact them that much. Like imagine being a man naturally inclined to be a liberal because you care about the less fortunate, women, gays, equality, the environment, all these good things. But now you have to also admit to yourself that not just the politicians (which most people don't really like, so that's ok), not just the corporate PR teams but also medical and educational institutions, social workers, psychologists, journalists, bloggers, etc that you follow are propagating this lie that's undermining women? The cognitive dissonance would just too much. A lot of people don't spend that much energy thinking deeply about these issues, don't have the time to do all the research, and if the result is that it turns their world upside down and leads to cognitive dissonance, that's not really gonna encourage them to look into it too much. Hence the response of "don't be crazy" if someone suggests their institutions have it all wrong.

You still have a decent segment of men who think a lot of this is BS, and they tend to skew more conservative for the reasons listed above. Thing is once you reject these institutions, it becomes easier to turn to "alternative" views on other issues that validate their feelings of ostrasization, insecurities, and get drawn to redpill, Andrew Tate, etc and develop misogynistic views.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

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>If I may answer as a straight male-

No. 11131

what gave you the impression you may say anything here as a male? fuck off.

No. 11136

You're not suppose to identify yourself as a moid, chronically attention deficit moid. Enjoy the ban.

>You still have a decent segment of men who think a lot of this is BS, and they tend to skew more conservative for the reasons listed above.

As for the bulk of what you've said it's all drivel anyone with a fucking brain would know and greatly distorted to make moids out as victims when they've brought these problems on women and other moids on themselves. These shit tier takes you've spouted have been severely watered down to piss, are bland, and are as distorted as possible with poor moid grammar.

>Thing is once you reject these institutions, it becomes easier to turn to "alternative" views on other issues that validate their feelings of ostrasization, insecurities, and get drawn to redpill, Andrew Tate, etc and develop misogynistic views.

If these moids are "skewing conservative" to begin with they aren't "decent men" at all. Everyone with a brain questions institutions scrote. Everytime a woman is assaulted and her rights are waived she questions institutions. Victims of Male crime question institutions. Male socialization makes moids like this and their inhuman nature not institutional trust or lack thereof. Who do you think built such twisted institutions, retard? Why would patriachical moids be distrustful of a system they propagate themselves and have full control over? The bulk of the damage of troons is TIMs not TIFs. Troons are a male made problem that women must bare as the brunt of their inhuman shit, as usual. If your inferior moid brain that lacks any semblance of critical thought sees other males hacking themselves to pieces and carving holes in their bodies and then somehow blames women for this who ceede everything to you, that's your fault. Trannies are evidence of the extent to which patriarchy can expand, not somehow feminists fault.

No. 11139

Why do gendies don't like using the term "Asperger" due to the nazi correlation but like to agree With the gender theories of John Money, the guy who invented the term "gender", botched a child, made him perform sexual acts with his twin brother and then drove both of them to suicide? And this isnt some kind of crazy cult belief, its on fucking wikipedia

No. 11140


I'm not blaming women for redpill misogyny. Nor am I blaming women for the existence of TIMs who are generally adult compared to the TIFs that are more typically minors. Just pointing out why between liberal men and conservative misogynists there won't be that many men speaking out against trans ideology.

>> The bulk of the damage of troons is TIMs not TIFs

>>Troons are a male made problem
also agreed

>>greatly distorted to make moids out as victims

I did say men are less likely to question trans ideology because it doesn't negatively impact them as much as it impacts women. The question was why don't men question trans ideology and gave my thoughts as to why liberal men don't question the institutions pushing it.

No. 11141

seeing trannies complain about genocide constantly makes me kinda wish it was real

No. 11142

>>11141 I mean they are advocating for mass sterilization of their kind

No. 11143

I used to watch her science videos but it's really disappointing how a woman who seem so intelligent can miss the mark so much on the trans issue
Basically her argument boils down to
>who cares, sports are made for viewing freakshows anyways!

No. 11150

AYRT. There's a lot of propaganda and it can be a difficult realization for sure but still, I'd expect them to be able to have a discussion about it with the person they're supposedly closest to (their partner) without being worried about transphobia. Sucks that most men against this ideology are (or become) against women on other issues.

Gendies are incapable of logical thinking (otherwise they wouldn't believe in gender identity BS to begin with). And some of them are pedos. So yeah.

No. 11158

And you know lc is a female space that you're invading as a male? You're no better than any other troon.

No. 11159

Because rejecting aspergers as a term let's them bully a mentally challenged group with disabilities openly without having to feel bad.
Rejecting science of the movement they worship hurts their cause so of course they pretend to not see it or that it's fake news. It is impossible to be trans without accepting cognitive dissonance and being a massive hypocrite, so it's not difficult for them to be a hypocrite with cases like this too.

No. 11168

jfc, just searched for 'dress up games' like an autist and the first result, on which i clicked, contains a 'non-binary demon' dress up game on the first page. why is this shit EVERYWHERE, even on random websites intended for children.

No. 11207

I feel like i cannot escape transgenderism at all. All my old friends have trooned out, I hear about every time I put on the news, I can't even find a community with shared interests without trannies coming in and being authoritative assholes who have to control everything. And it all makes me want to scream.

No. 11209

Can you use it on mobile, or is it desktop-only?

No. 11214


I am on some pretty niched, obscure websites and they still get full of TRAs and troons so I know how you feel. Sites like this one are literally the only places where I can, either offline or online, disagree about anything troon-related. And it seems they're constantly at threat of being taken down. The genderology is really going full circle. Troons are the real-life Borg.

No. 11218

Doesn’t really matter if they’re sterilized, though it’s not a bad thing. Predatory teachers are actively encouraging children to troon out and encouraging them to hide it from their parents plus TikTok spreads the social contagion like wildfire. As of late if you live in a liberal school district your kid is 100% going to be ostracized if they’re “cis” and straight.

No. 11254

I'm wondering if I should start looking for explicitly terf spaces. Something like a "terf gaming group" would at least not have troons flocking to it and could be run anonymously online. It might be time for us all to make alternate accounts on all sites where we can be fully honest terfs

No. 11259

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>non-binary demon
They'll take care of it.

No. 11263

I'm all game (no pun intended) for a terf gaming group!

No. 11266

It's quasi impossible to avoid if your hobbies are even somewhat online. I went to a smash bros tournament last week, hadn't gone since covid basically. The amount of troons just shocked me, it's an infestation. Wasn't ever this bad before.
They were the only ones still wearing masks kek, as if they could hide it

No. 11267

What peaked me was the entitlement transgender women have towards cis people's bodies. I'm bisexual and cis genitals are the only ones I'm interested in. Sex is not some universal god given right. I wouldn't be as annoyed if they weren't so narcissistic. Whenever I hear about TfT couple I feel relieved, please date amongst yourselves and leave the rest of is alone.

No. 11287

One of my peaked friends is gradually coming to the realization that the entire "woke" culture is about hating women in a more socially acceptable way. I hope more people I know will peak like this.

No. 11295

it still baffles me how someone can see the concept of being nonbinary and go "yep, this absolutely makes sense"
Especially younger millennials/zoomers, we went through some kind of social revolution where tomboys were a thing, girls could play with pokemon cards and games and not give a shit for examples about the male protagonist, we just played most games and that didn't attack our "gender identity".
We wore short hair and boys could grow it long, our parents had david bowie who went over gender stereotypes and we had lady gaga having a full male alter ego and still being a woman.
We saw all kind of this shit but we had no doubts about being male or female, we KNEW that these things went over the concept of gender, it was a matter of personal expression.
Now if you don't like to wear skirts you're not a girl with a personal taste/comfort, you're an enbie.
It's woke sexism and the fact that most people can't see the correlation makes me wonder if I am wrong and sound like a conspiracy theorist to them while it's…simple logic?
Plus I never met someone so obsessed with gender and stereotypes as those enbies. Their personality is gender. Everything they do is "gender". What the fuck…….

No. 11326

I feel the same nonny. Constantly questioning my sanity because I pride myself in forming opinions based on truth and logic (not to sound like faggy Ben Shapiro but it’s true). We’re all being gaslit. And it doesn’t help when there are things like pseudoscience and shitty doctors “proving” a bunch of bs gendie claims. There is a lot of money from the top going into the trans movement but I can’t quite tell what the end game is.

No. 11341

>it still baffles me how someone can see the concept of being nonbinary and go "yep, this absolutely makes sense"
One thing I've realized is that people don't want to admit that they're "stupid" and don't know things. So when someone says "look, totally real science that I made up 5min- uhh I mean that scientists found 5000 years ago" they don't want to be like "huh I don't get it, that… doesn't actually make sense" because it will make it seem like they just don't understand the science (which doesn't actually exist). And since the science isn't actually there no one can explain it in a way that makes sense, so they all sort of pretend to get it and just shame and gaslight people for not getting it so no one ever speaks up.

>"Nonbinary is when someone isn't male or female but but both or neither or fluid"

>"But that doesn't make sense- how can someone not have a gender if everyone has a gender like you said?"
>"uhh well agender IS a gender, it's just a genderless gender!! See, makes perfect sense! Only a stupid person wouldn't get this simple thing!"
>"But then how can it be fluid and change, doesn't that mean trans people shouldn't have surgeries because their gender could change back?"
>"N-no! That's so dumb omg we trans people don't owe you anything, go read a book! All the science supports this, I'm so tired of ignorant cis bigots expecting us trans people to educate them for free when we just want to exist!! I am begging you to just open a book!!!"

If you actually look into studies on trans people that are well executed, unbiased, peer-reviewed and have standards you quickly find that the evidence is overwhelmingly against what trans people advocate, not for. But none of them have actually looked at the studies, they all just sort of pretend like they have because they all assume surely someone on their side confirmed it or it would have been called or disproven by now. But of course all the evidence against it is just disregarded as hateful lies. We can also confirm this by looking at how they've taken most "pro-trans" studies out of context and completely missed the actual points it made. It's a cult mindset.

No. 11370

Bless you anons for trying to wade into the HxH fandom
I liked the show a lot but noped out of the fandom when I saw everyone was drawing Gon’s dad with mastectomy scars

No. 11374

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Does anyone else seemingly reach a new peak every day? My anger is mostly at society for allowing it to get this far. It’s almost traumatic for me because I am someone who cares about social justice. I don’t seek to be edgy and “bigoted”. But everything in my brain tells me that supporting troons goes against true social justice. Why do I have to feel shamed for this? It feels so fucked. I don’t want to be the baddie but I have to be a “terf” to be true to myself. I’m in constant conflict with myself but I always land back that this is what’s right because otherwise we’re back to coddling males at the expense of women’s comfort and safety. Ugh. Please tell me I’m not alone. I’m really grateful for this space and for all of you brave ladies btw

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I 100% feel this and I've exhausted myself so much from it. I have no energy left to keep fighting or arguing. It feels wrong to be pro-trans but then society tells you you're the one who is wrong and bad. I am tired of this shit.

Sorry for using your vent to segway into mine but as someone who doesn't want to be a bad person either, I guess I'm really done and I'm just pretending none of those trans things are real now. I'm tired of everyone saying shit about terfs. I'm tired of seeing this shit getting bigger and bigger. I just want to live a comfortable life and not think. I'm very exhausted. I just want to retire from society. They win.

No. 11376

I am sick to death of seeing Ethel Cain on my Pinterest feed a bitch can't have a southern gothic board without seeing that stupid gangly male bone structure in a thrifted wedding dress. Ugly ass gaunt cheek bones with stringy ass male hair acting as if he could even remotely understand the unique female experience of religious trauma. I'd rather see Kim Petra's balloon ass hobbling around then this horse-faced fucker at least I can laugh at Kim but every time I see Ethan Cain I seethe I'm losing it nonnies I'm fucking losing it

No. 11377

Same nonna I'm so sick of him being everywhere. His fetishization of incest and molestation under the guise of "bringing awareness" + people pretending it's groundbreaking are retarded. I also hate how he's been wearing grandma/prairie dresses. Way to twist comfy and cute modest clothing into something weird and coomerish with your trauma fantasy of being "uwu little abused southern church girl innocent yet slutty and dark" i hope he dies

No. 11382

i hate that the lgb who are critical on transgenderism are getting blamed and are the reason as to why same sex marriage are prohibited in some american states and to the extent resulting in drag queens legally seen as criminals. they're the basically the minority here, their voices get silenced and are blocked, dox, and harassed in every digital space they try to say their thoughts on the subject. and now they are one of the main reasons for the destruction to any progress for the lgbt community?

hardly are those people republicans or conservatives, they are just critical to the sudden wave of new people with spicy identities who are mutilating themselves with unnecessary surgeries and are high on hormones that their bodies rejects. troons have become everyone's golden child of oppression. ofc, the lgb will question as to why troons were handed their 'equality' when the lgb have fought for it and died years before just to love the same sex. women too protest against it and are the main punching bag and senseless blaming to the continuing hate crime against tims.

im sick of troons. these people ironically preach critical thinking but enforced mindless acceptance towards them.

No. 11385

where's that pic from ?

No. 11387

nta but i recognized the artist, i think it's just an original work but this is from their pixiv https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/33632237
(hope the link works because i'm not too experienced here)

No. 11389

I know this is a little derailing for the thread and I'm sorry but please give me a little info on Ethel Cain if you could? I have a fellow homeschool child interest in him. Never heard of him until someone brought him up on /ot/ and I guessed he was homeschooled from a picture. Haven't looked into him since then but this interested me:
>His fetishization of incest and molestation under the guise of "bringing awareness"
Genuinely curious what a man has to say about this. It's 10000x worse for girls but this is actually a problem in homeschool families (going homeschool to avoid abuse being discovered is common) so I really want to know what he has said about it and if he's doing anything good at all.

No. 11397

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I hate when troons find AGP men and convince them they're trans. I've seen it on other comment sections too. I once saw one that was like "I'm not trans I just think being a woman would be cool" and then 30+ comments of trannies flooded to it calling it an "egg". It's a cult and they're making this world worse by convincing AGP men to become AGP """"trans women"""".

No. 11404

My (no longer) friend thinks I'm a bigoted terf and I just don't care anymore. I wanted to peak him but he is chronically online and on the spectrum so I don't know why I even had hope.
It's insane that me standing up for kids, females and gay people makes him think I'm the bigot when he's the one harming all these groups. I doubt he'd suck a girldick himself but he insist transwomen are just as much of a woman as us real women. He thinks female rapists are as much of a threat to women in jail as male ones, and that justifies putting the poor innocent transwomen (convicted rapists) in female prison.

I honestly don't think every aggression towards women should be labelled "misogyny" when there are men who truly do feel a deep hatred towards women that deserves the word - but what the fuck else can I call it when he denies women are their own thing, he is denying we exist as separate from males, even though HE KNOWS it is so. You just can't think that without having deep contempt for women.
I hope he chokes on a girldick.

No. 11409

what the fuck is up with tifs and being involved in "vulture culture"? every time i accidentally stumble across a post on tumblr of someone skinning an animal for fun it's always some genderspecial woman. i feel nauseous.

No. 11418

There's an edgy tryhard subtype of TIF that draws really gross blobby hairy art, calls herself "stinky," has a thing for rats and possums and is usually a furry with one as a fursona, skins animals, etc. They can also be found in every fandom stanning the least likable villains and drawing FTM porn of them, and sometimes stanning real life serial killers too.

Despite all their attempts to act like a shamelessly gross violence-loving moid, they still come across as painfully insecure women with anxiety disorders in every interaction.

No. 11432

I knew seeing the tranny shit on international womens day was going to be triggering and I was right. I want to scream and punch a wall.

No. 11442

God same nonnie. Men will always try to take things away from women and now they can escape being called a misogynist by simply saying they are also a woman.

No. 11444

my boyfriend tweeted about national women's day but made it about supporting trans women because "they just have more to fight for right now". im going to scream. i still think our relationship is bigger than his occasional tranny ass-kissing but oh my fucking god am i getting tired of everything revolving around trannies. how to peak moid pls

No. 11446

okay i confronted him and now im afraid i outed myself even though he said it's okay and he understands

No. 11447

PLEASE break up with him. You can do so much better anon, I promise. Future you will thank past you. This is the only red flag you need…. He doesn't know what a woman is objectively and doesn't respect women.

No. 11448

Have him watch the documentary "What is a woman?" by Matt Walsh and then dump him

No. 11452

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most of his discography is just singing about taboo shit but it feels forced asf. inbred the song off inbred the album is supposed to describe a loving relationship with her older brother, but the way he goes about it is super weir. unnecessary details about being naked under a nightgown, pissing and "sucking on the back of his leg" etc. it starts to talk about sexual abuse as well and although it's phrased somewhat ambiguously it's very straightforward to interpret it as the brother violating him. there's also his unreleased song two children in a motel explicitly about incest. he also posted it as a love song to a horror movie brother and sister couple, gross. more fanfiction than a work intended to portray the horrible circumstances at hand. i looked into his actual trauma and aside from being gay + ostracization from the church he never mentions csa or anything of the like, and he speaks positively about his family growing up. so it's even worse that a creepy moid is trying to write about experiences he's never had through his sick lens

No. 11453

no one should watch anything by Matt Walsh, not even nona's stupid boyfriend.

No. 11454

I already hate him and I didn't even know about this, I hated him purely for his shitty larp, so thanks for giving me more ammo. Can't really say much more without alogging but I really do hope karma pops him for this. What makes him different than any other moid obsessed with pedophilia, incest, and abuse? His thrift store granny slips? Fucking please.
He could never survive if he had to live the life of the girl he pretends to be. He'd fucking kill himself if he had to feed and diaper his 8 siblings, teach himself math, and fend off his creepy youth pastor every Wednesday night. Can you imagine him in a jean skirt and a walmart clearance button-up? I can't fucking stand this shit, I have to hold myself back in the mtf thread all the time because no one wants to read a wall of text about how much I hate this neanderthal browed haunted fucking jack in the box and his goddamn nightgowns. There are plenty of troids more vile and amoral than him but his particular brand of larp makes me want to commit violence. Some moids want to be bimbos, some want to be the girl who rejected them in highschool, but he wants to be an abused little girl.

No. 11459


^^ Imo this is a better video to ease people into peaking, it starts off with different subjects like DID fakers on TikTok and eases into trans stuff so it might be better for someone like him. Also it's made by a woman which is much better than showing a video made by Matt Walsh… that will scare people away. You could say that you stumbled upon it and wanted to see what he thinks? It focuses more on de-transers and botched surgeries than "hateful" approaches against trannies.

If he reacts well to that, this one is better for showing some of the vile shit that TIMs do:

No. 11487

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A gay moid I met irl that I have added on socials shared a TWAW mantra post and it made me want to ask him if he’d eat FTM pussy to make him dance on the tips of his toes excusing himself, but I’m too much of a pussy to out my skepticism to real life people, which is tragic

No. 11488

Samefag, for context it was one of those “not fucking TIMs is transphobic” posts wrapped in victimization hence the emphasis on that

No. 11495

>recommending a extremist right-winger misogynist to your boyfriend.

So the radfem or gender critical movement really is filled with tradthots.

No. 11499


Myself and many others would love to read that wall of text you should make him his own thread

No. 11520

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I have a friend (she is not a Troon) who I recently befriended cause she was depressed and I wanted to help her since I know how that feels but she is now exposing terfs and has been shitty overall to me even after I paid for her and her gay friends (that she invited herself) some mcdonalds just cause she said she was feeling like wanting to die.
I was trying to ignore that but those exposing terfs stories really were retarded and I never felt like dropping a friendship so bad before.
Fucking hate men and her so much.
Don't know if this is the correct thread to post this, hope I'm not wrong.

No. 11530

>Not submitting to delusional men who are right wing and hate women makes you right wing because anon recommends moid documentary just asking people 'what is a women', when the documentary doesn't mention anything about his other retarded beliefs, just him asking people 'What is a women.'
Cope kek. The tranny movement is full off and promotes a large amount of MTF rapists. The documentary doesn't involve his other retarded beliefs, just him asking people to define women and embarrassing themselves being unable to do so. Most MTFs are right wing too because they are still male kek.

No. 11534

Why are you assuming one comment represents everyone after multiple people have disagreed with that idea? I recently saw a radfem post a Matt Walsh video on tumblr and all of the replies were criticism against what he was saying and how stupid he is even though the surface level topic was what we would agree with. Ah this is probably bait but if not, you’re wrong.

No. 11538

You could do it under the guise of being a concerned wokester and say something like "omg this awful gay TRANSPHOBE said he wouldn't eat the BOYpussy of a transMAN, but YOU as a good ally would do that right?? Transmen are MEN!!!"

No. 11539

Show him some AGP troons being sexual creeps to real women (and children), and show him the support those brave and stunning transwomen get from the trans community for doing that (AGP is the most common kind of transwoman after all) so he doesn't think it's a) just a few outliers being creeps and b)not accepted in the trans community. If he defends them and doesn't peak then you should be running away from him because he wouldn't even think twice about leaving you or any future child of yours alone with a troon rapist because he sees that gross man as the same kind of woman as you are.

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I really fucking hate this tranny anime, they even made him do the twirly shit

No. 11566

There's a transwoman at my work and he's in our changing room because we have to change into PPE. All he does it talk about women and how hes a lesbian with a transwoman. He comes on to me all the time and gives me the hebejeebies.

I'm just fed up this shit is accepted as scientific. It's fucking not. Sex and biology is a fact. They talk about same sex attraction all the fucking time and in the same breath gender is a social construct and its like no. You're the fucking social construct. You're the weird psyop used to change language and barriers. How come the more tranny shit is accepted biological females lose more freedoms? Fucking tired of it. I can't even fucking speak freely about this publicly cause its not politically correct to discuss as a woman why I have to accept some dickhead into my segregated spaces physically and socially. For what reason? Working with trannies while surrounded by real women I can instinctually recognise I am more relaxed and open with the females of the species. Like there's an immediate understanding we understand personal space how to be courteous. There's so many intricate difference between males and females socially. Fucking weird.

No. 11571

Nta but saying something and actually doing it are very different things. He would probably lie and say yes even if he would never do it.

No. 11576

It amazes me how scrotes ree aren't privileged when scrotes will literally redefine reality and force everyone to play pretend for other mens fetish or to avoid recognising male depravity and consider not allowing men to de degen coomers who hate women 24/7.

No. 11583

If he's coming on to you he's probably doing it to other women there too. Ask them about it in private, in case you're the only target at least the other women will realize he's sexually harassing you the same way any man would. You don't even have to state it's because he's a man or trans since they will all just know why anyway. Even the people who will pretend to think he's a woman will dislike him if he's genuinely bothering people, just like they would any man or woman. In best case scenario you get a couple of women who aren't buying his larp at all and are willing to gossip about him to everyone until the word gets out and everyone hates him

No. 11584

You're right, but if you continue to constantly say things like "REAL gay men eat pussy, like you. So glad you're not a bigot like them! They shouldn't even be allowed in gay speces with their transphobia. They should just man up and eat manly vagina like a real gay man. You and every other gay man I know say they love boypussy so clearly they're just bigots" it's eventually going to get to his male ego. There's probably less obvious ways to say it to not riase suspicion but you get the point.
Gay men love talking shit about vaginas and how gross they are, he won't be able to resist getting mad.

No. 11589

It's amazing how quickly I lose interest and respect for content creators who pander to the trans crowd now. Even though it's only a tiny part each time they make sure to squeeze it in every single video, it's so disingenuous. We all know they don't really see trans people as the opposite sex, they know exactly who is trans and who isn't. They obviosuly haven't thought about it for more than 5 seconds since then they'd realize that grown men having access to spaces meant for females is a bad fucking idea on every level, that men shouldn't compete with women in sports, and that drugs and cutting up mentally ill children is just hurting them more and will ruin their lives. They're so afraid to question anything and being accidentally offensive that they let these mentally ill people who actively advocate for hurting children dictate their every thought and action.

They never even did that for any other cause, not for women, gay people, racial minorities and so on. Only for trans people. For other groups they'd at most do it once in a while but not every freaking time, I don't get how they're THIS level of brainwashed.

No. 11595

seconded it feels so good to hear other nonnas hate on him bc i constantly see him getting reposted by mutuals. i don't know if he's milky enough for a thread yet but i feel like the day will come at some point

No. 11596

Troon admits he only trooned out because he likes pink and wants "big juicy boobies". Everyone claps and tells him he's a valid woman while I get shunned for calling him a creepy fetishistic man. How is this real life? Being peaked feels so isolating.

No. 11600

troons make my stomach turn whenever they hop into discussions of same sex reproduction with their bullshit.

>omggg what if one of these people in this HOMOSEXUAL, SAME SEX coupling was TRANS XD then they could have babies :3cccc

please kill yourself, i mean that. i genuinely mean that. it's so much more than simple dislike at this point you literally literally make me ill and it feels so insidious too

hate how hypocritical they can be as well. why do you think the feminine male character is trans (a woman)? why do you think the cool female knight who loves science is ACTUALLY ""transfemme"" (a man)? regressive, lousy, boring, lobotomized retards

No. 11601

I think the situation with Rowling put the fear of (tranny) god into a lot of them, everyone saw how troons' knee jerk reaction whenever you don't kiss the ground they walk on is to cancel and dehumanize you. Not saying it is everyone feel this way, but I think at least a lot of older content creators just aren't willing to risk losing their income over delusional men wearing dresses not feeling "validated" for five seconds.

No. 11602

I've also seen posts floating around about how if someone doesn't list their pronouns and searching their timeline for "trans" gets zero results, they're probably a crypto TERF

It's getting to the point where they'll get mad at you for straight up saying nothing

No. 11603

I really hope the tranny cultists ends up suffering a collective Dictator Trap.

No. 11604

Sometimes I feel like I've been shadowbanned in a fandom I'm in, you just made me realize it's possibly because I don't have pronouns listed in my bio and that's what makes people avoid me. Hilariously tragic if that's the case. "Don't talk to non-believers, they will lead you astray and into sin" those cultist freaks are so scared of anyone who's different than them while pretending they're open and inclusive.

No. 11609

I hear you nona. It's like gaslighting. I feel as if most people are just burying their heads in the sand because it gives them the instant gratification of being seen as 'good' and 'progressive', they don't want to think about it because then they'll be in the out group, and socially ostracised. You're not schizo anon, imo most people either don't understand how big the problem is, completely lack integrity, or are misogynists.

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I hope this is the right place to vent but this shit makes me hate being a lesbian so much because my girlfriend has said something Similar about being able to relate to trans “woman” more and it’s all such stupid bs ?? Like how do you as a woman relate to a man in drag?? It’s so annoying and all these lesbians forcing themselves to like men, gay men, and drag queens and trannies like it’s all about men it’s all for men it really sucks I just want to be a lesbian in a lesbian place with actual woman who are lesbians I’m never going to get thag bevaus of how fucked the world is
Everytime I think about “maybe I’m being too harsh on trans ppl maybe they do just want to live their life” i find something insidious they had said or done and I get even more angry at all this

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No. 11617

>the femininity of those who aren't supposed to be feminine
>the femininity of those who aren't allowed to be real women
How do actual lesbians decide this applies to them? Sis you are literally female and are pressured to be feminine just like every other woman… Feminine lesbians are heavily fetishized and portrayed infinitely more often in media than butches.

No. 11619

the glorification of "femininity" has set western feminism back so far

No. 11621

that character is physically female, something that TIMs can ever truly accomplish. I don't really count genderbenders as tranime. it only attracts that crows because of self fulfillment and projection

No. 11626

if that's true why don't we just let trannies have it?
I'm being overly flip about it and I know the reasons that a problem such as predators using a female identity to get into female spaces or avoid male jails, but seriously why don't we let TIMs expose stereotypical femininity as a facade and the costume it is?
No offense to women who like it, I've worn heels and makeup at times myself but I know it's a costume and a game of dress up just as much as the first time I put on my mom's lipstick at age 4 and was like "this makes me pretty". I was raised to think it was proper. but if a bunch of men are running around doing it I think I would feel less compelled to practice it myself as an obligatory thing. galaxy-brain bullshit maybe but this is an anonymous imageboard where I can express my stupid ideas.

No. 11628

Because firstly that's cruel to women to say they have to give up what they actually like to men who just take it because they can and because they want to copy women. You can call it a costume, but that's not fully true. Our natural bodies aren't a costume, and clothes that are made to fit a curvy female body as opposed to a straight square male one isn't made to perform femininity. It's just made to fit a female body.
Secondly it wouldn't work, because troons don't want femininity, they want to copy women. So if all women decide to stop doing feminine things the troons will just copy the new thing we do. If women acted exactly like men instead, they'd start to copy our natural physical features even more. They'd say they're smaller and weaker than other men so they're just like us women, that their moobs are the exact same thing as female breats and so on.

We've already tried this. We've tried going along with troons and giving them ehat they wanted. They were saying "i feel like a woman, i just want to be accepted" and that quickly turned into "i am a real woman, we want to be in your spaces and to have you kicked out if you oppose it". You give an inch and they take a mile. Women do not have to give up anything to troons, troons are the ones that need to fuck off.

No. 11630

God thank you, I love masculine woman and I appreciate them for what they are (my girlfriend is butch!) but I really enjoy being feminine myself. I know it’s performance, I know it’s stereotypical, I do get it but at the same time, I don’t let it get to my head and over think it and wearing feminine things makes me happy and feel like my personality shines through them. We cannot let trannies have it, they are already taking everything from woman. I wish things got better and people saw them for the creeps they really are

No. 11633

>troons don't want femininity, they want to copy women
Adding to this that there is very obvious ways to see this. You might think a HSTS "just likes feminine things" like make up and dresses and that's why they troon out. But if that was true… why don't they just like feminine things as men? There is nothing stopping them from doing exactly what they're doing without saying "i'm a woman" at the same time. They only do the thing because they think it makes them feminine. The men who genuinely just like the feminine things do them as themselves, as men.

No. 11634

There will be an uproar when the current TRA and trans teen/kids have grown up to early adulthood and realize they just got tricked and led into being a pawn in this perverse trans ideology by fetishistic adults. It will crush some of them to have been used like that as kids by adults they thought they could trust. I hope they can recover.

No. 11639

Because they know it's all just blackface, reinforcing stereotypes, and mockery of a marginalized group. Toons are fucking misogynists to their bones.

You could also say femininity and masculinity are HUMAN constructs. They exist nowhere in nature so why go through the hell of acting out thinly veiled hatred.. summoning outrage.. offending people . enduring shunning and extreme marginalization when all of its based on stereotypes and constructs anyway?

No. 11643

I mean personally I have no problem with men playing dress-up and painting their faces it's when they start calling themselves women and being misogynistic about it that I have a problem.

No. 11644

It's so annoying to find someone who has anti-troon views only to find out they're against abortion because god said so. You ain't much better at critical thinking than them troons sis

No. 11647

>they have to give up what they actually like
you are one of the women i was thinking about when i posted this >>11619.

>clothes that are made to fit a curvy female body as opposed to a straight square male one isn't made to perform femininity. It's just made to fit a female body.

yeah they are, plenty of women don't have this curvy hourglass shape you're thinking of. some of us have shoulders that are wider than our waists. you are suggesting women perform femininity even as you deny the fact.

hell i don't have that sort of body, i grew up shopping in the men's sections because my shoulders would stretch out all my tops

>troons don't want femininity, they want to copy women

nope, troons want femininty, it's just that in so many people's minds (and even yours, apparently) woman is a list of traits rather than simply being female.

because too many women want to be feminine kek; the connection between it and the female form is almost impossible to sever. even in rf spaces you get women going "i actually love my makeup!! i love shaving and feeling silky! don't tell me what to do, i'm a woman, this is natural!! aaaa!!"

i've always thought it was just internalized homophobia, or maybe they're wrapped into the poetry of it

No. 11734

Nonnies I’m curious what your first experience with a troon irl was?
Mine was in high school. I befriended this loser that I got sat next to, I thought it was funny to listen to him talk as a brony. He started saying shit tho like “you’re my clone”, told me about his fetishes (spiders on his dick, I wish I was joking), and eventually confessed to me. I rejected him cause I had a gf and lied that I wasn’t into guys cause you don’t know how someone like this will react. Sometime later, he troons out (takes a famous singers name kek). I think he was the first out troon at our school so he attracted every pasty-white, computer nerd chaser. Literally never went anywhere without some guy next to him. I found him again on instagram recently and he’s still greasy, still posting trans memes. Every troon I’ve given an inch to in my life, wants to take a mile. They feel entitled to women’s affection or pity but as soon as you disagree on something, they’ll insult you. I was still supportive of trans people till recently but I just can’t anymore. There’s probably some perfectly fine trans people out there but for my safety and sanity, I’m not taking any risks.

No. 11736

Most of them wear femininity like a thong and portray it in offensive stereotypes. I mean how can you not be completely disgusted at the shitty way Mulvaney depicts women like bimbos ?

No. 11737

He was my ex boyfriend. He used to steal my makeup in the middle of the night, then he wore my clothes. When we broke up, he claimed to be a better woman than me. Apparently being better at being a woman than me is going to clubs and selling your holes. No thanks.

No. 11742

I was assuming that the original anon I was responding to meant that we should let men "have" femininity (as in the high heels, the shapewear, the carcinogenic makeup, the botox) in order to expose it as being a harmful sham. I don't have a problem with that, let them have all that shit they claim we're gatekeeping from them. Good riddance and I hope they enjoy the foot pain. I wasn't sure if she also meant that we should call them women while we're at it, which I do have a problem with.
Anon are you me? First one I met was a dude I met in highschool as well, typical slobby gamer who had trouble making friends but we shared a hobby in common and he was fun to talk to so we ended up becoming friends. He also propositioned me and I turned him down. He transitioned two years later and I'm honestly surprised he never tried again since he's a "real girl" and can totally date lesbians now.
>Every troon I’ve given an inch to in my life, wants to take a mile.
Yes. He still takes advantage of the fact that we were friends (we had a falling out a few years ago over something unrelated thank god) to try to take up my time and attention. Very entitled.

No. 11743

>troons want femininty, it's just that in so many people's minds (and even yours, apparently) woman is a list of traits rather than simply being female.
Don't AGPs get off on the idea of just existing as female? Not that they don't want femininity, but given the amount of period and pregnancy fetishist troons floating around I think they want actual femaleness too

No. 11758

>you are one of the women i was thinking about
Women are allowed to naturally be kind and like cute things. If you give toddlers the choice of what toys to play with the majority of girls pick dolls, plushies and animals to play house with. And guess what, the majority of boys pick cars, inanimate objects and sticks and they can hit and play fight things with. Turns out…. males and females…. are different!!!!!! Like right from the start even! We develop differently! Science is amazing. Does that mean this will happen 100% of the time? No, naturally not because people are also different as individuals.

>you are suggesting women perform femininity even as you deny the fact.
If you look at any anatomical figure chart you will see that women have different proportions than men, I don't know why you act as if men and women are identical physically, that is helping no one and harming women. Did you know in a shit ton of fields women have been (and still are) working with equipment designed for men who are seen as the default that don't fit their female bodies and it negatively affects their work and their comfort? Why did you shop in the men's section, was it because men on average are larger and have larger shoulders and that fit felt better for you who also had wider shoulders? Almost as if you preferred that because it fit your body better hmmm…… almost like the fit of clothes matters to feel comfortable…

>nope, troons want femininty, it's just that in so many people's minds (and even yours, apparently) woman is a list of traits rather than simply being female.

Troons want femininity BECAUSE they see them as what makes a female female. Females do things they either naturally like or are forced to do and society goes "that's feminine now" and then troons go "then I shall also do that so I can be female". Does this mean every female likes every feminine thing and stereotype and act super feminine all the time? No, and it's silly to pretend that anyone here actually thinks that. LC is full of autist women, and autist women are more likely to be tomboys than your average woman anyway.

>even in rf spaces you get women going "i actually love my makeup!! i love shaving and feeling silky! don't tell me what to do, i'm a woman, this is natural!! aaaa!!"

You sound like you have a deep hatred for socially constructed femininity and a dislike for women who perform it. Internalized misogyny is pretty common but there's no reason to take it out on other women. I'm guessing you're either a bit of a tomboy who never liked those things and therefore assume all other women secretly hate it too and that it's not something that has any basis in women's actual hobbies and interests. That or you initially liked it but got real fed up with feeling like it was mandatory and you were forced to do it. I'm a tomboy who always had zero interest in makeup, but I don't shame other women for liking to put paint on their faces.

No. 11760

>Because firstly that's cruel to women to say they have to give up what they actually like to men
What do women actually like?

No. 11762

Pretty sure anon meant that for the women who naturally have hobbies considered feminine like fashion, cooking, makeup, art, being into cute animals and all that shit it's cruel to tell them to stop and to give their hobbies to troons instead.

No. 11763

>troons don't want femininity, they want to copy women
>nope, troons want femininty, it's just that in so many people's minds woman is a list of traits rather than simply being female.
Troons virtually never copy female dominated hobbies that aren't "visibly female" to the public. Romance novels and fanfiction is heavily dominated by a female audience to the degree that even tifs love it (kek) but I've never seen male troons attempt to copy it. The only times they try it's to infiltrate a female only space for validation, not because they like the hobby.

No. 11783

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>some of us have shoulders that are wider than our waists
who the fuck doesn't do you think there exists women who are shaped like literal pears…

No. 11791

Do you think the gender craze will end in our lifetimes? I’m starting to lose hope that this isn’t going to be the kind of religion that sticks around for centuries.

No. 11792

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i have no idea what anon was going on about because typically unless they are obeasts, shoulders will be bigger than someone's waist.

No. 11793

yes. it will still be there but lessened. humans constantly need to move on to new things because they're bored. in 10 years the oldest of generation alpha will be adults and whatever they're fixated on will be pushed into mainstream.

No. 11794

imagine using this word unironically.

No. 11795

One of my friends trooned out when we were in college together. She had always been a bit of a weirdo (but so am I!) - into anime, video games, some furry stuff, etc. She’s also primarily same sex attracted, deathly afraid of pregnancy, and has/had some sexual dysfunctions/weird hangups about sex. She also used to self harm and suicide bait on social media. She trooned out after getting out of a bad lesbian relationship partially as a coping mechanism and partly so she could LARP as her anime husbando (I guess she decided to become her own boyfriend because her IRL relationship was so traumatic). Looking back now I can totally see why she trooned out as a form of self harm/self preservation, I only wish I could have done more to help her love herself before she cut her tits off.

No. 11796

i should've said *hips

No. 11798

>the majority of girls pick dolls, plushies and animals to play house with
>the majority of boys pick cars, inanimate objects and sticks and they can hit and play fight things with

this is because of male/female socialization (which does begin even before birth), not inherent gendered traits.

rest of your post seems like uninformed rambling. i don't read radfem theory myself but you probably should. dunno where to point you though

i've seen some tims in my female-dominated hobbies. mostly bi/gay men (self-proclaimed "femmes")

No. 11808

Absolutely, we're already at the end of it. I used to see everyone cry about racism and cultural appropriation every second post for years until people got tired of it and it all switched over to their brand new toy of transgenderism. I honestly thought the cultural appropriation debate would never end or go away and we'd be stuck with it forever. Now I see the term at most once a year, and even then it's not at all seen as a cruel unforgivable sin like it once was. White women would get cancelled, sent death threats, get called racist and lose their jobs - for having braids that were too thin and deemed to look too "black". Now at most I see an eye-roll over it looking bad on them.

I see the two social justice causes mirror each other a lot. Both are mainly driven by white people, but they hold up a supposed oppressed minority who can do no wrong. Anyone of the minority who has the wrong opinion has "internalized" bad thoughts and is dismissed entirely. Everyone thinks it's kind of exaggerated and dumb but don't want to be called racist/transphobic and try to stay polite. In the end they both hurt the people they think they're helping, and they only divided people further away from each other.

No. 11809

>i don't read radfem theory
we can tell kek

No. 11816

I think troonism will take a lot longer to die out than other social media crusades because a lot of people have already made permanent changes to their body over it. Zero effort she/theys can move on, but people who've had surgery can't just quietly drop it and stop caring because then they have to confront the fact that they've had healthy organs removed for a dumb fad.

No. 11824

I think people will move on, but sadly the kids who got their bodies stunted and mutilated will mostly be forgotten because people never care about young females mental health. They'll just be like "Oopsie, well it wasn't MY fault, I wasn't their doctor I was just spreading the propaganda that groomed them into it, I'm innocent and it's not my problem"

No. 11825

I think the fact that troons have gotten quickly gotten even more aggressive is because there are idiots that have realized they have made an irreversible mistake, so instead of facing what they've done to themselves they figured it's easier to triple down on the troonism, drag everyone down with them and live in denial.

No. 11826

Troons are always lying by saying one thing and denying it in their next breath, it's why "they say it never happens" is a bit of a slogan with all of the thousands of sexual predator troon news and pictures they keep denying even exist. They shout at the top of their lungs that kids need "life saving" medical care consisting of hormone blockers that mentally stunt them and to have their bodies cut up permanently. The next minute they claim "no one" is saying children should transition, of course it never happens! Only adults get surgery! No one under 18 has ever had their breast cut off, don't be ridiculous you terf! It's reversible anyway!
It's why you can't argue with them as >>10048 said
>You cannot use logic and reality to reason with people who do not believe in logic and reality

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No. 11829

You're bleak anon. Your image of womanhood is so shallow that it amounts to wearing pretty pink shit so why not just align yourself with moids and troons at this point?. Positive stereotypes are still stereotypes retard, by making claims like "women are naturally kind" you're shooting women in the foot by fueling the flame of the chivalry hypothesis used by moids. You are glorifying what you deem as stereotypical feminine shit and clumping things in with femininity like kindness. Kindness is something all humanity should possesses, not women. Kindness isn't innate in anyone including women, you could argue cruelty is innate in moids by sheer data but I won't stereotype all women be it positive or negative because it is harmful. Anyone looks kind compared to moids depravity.

>Does that mean this will happen 100% of the time? No, naturally not because people are also different as individuals.

Which one is it then? Is it nature or nurture, your flip flopping is cowardly. You don't get to make sweeping statements and broad generalizations about all women then backpedal.

>I don't know why you act as if men and women are identical physically

Anon didn't mention this once, this is a complete strawman. Obviously biological differences are innate but anon was discussing socialized differences not biological. Anon mentioned they have a body that isn't representative of femininity since your argument is weak relying on essentialist logic, but nature doesn't conform to your arguments, natural variation exists in moid and female bodies. You back peddled and corrected that most women have xyz body (which I'm not even sure if that's true) but you've still lost the substance of your argument and agreed to anons because of this.

>Almost as if you preferred that because it fit your body better hmmm…… almost like the fit of clothes matters to feel comfortable…

What are you even saying here? Anon said they found male clothes comfortable you fucking idiot, did you not listen to what they wrote? I don't understand your argument, is it that people shop for comfort rather than gendered conformity?. But you just argued that when a women wears feminine clothes it makes her more feminine ergo female. Your argument is tranny logic.

>Females do things they either naturally like or are forced to do and society goes "that's feminine now"

You can't make these statements, women are coaxed into hobbies by society not the other way around, we don't live in a female dominated world where women own the majority of wealth and land and aren't exploited everywhere across the planet. I would think you'd know this since you projected about anon having internalized misogyny when you're arguing all women like xyz while providing no actual evidence of this like a moid. People have different interests, you don't know all women from knowing one. Women are not a collective hivemind if kindness like you harmfully argue.

>LC is full of autist women, and autist women are more likely to be tomboys than your average woman anyway.

Well your certainly aren't feminine by your own admission since you're a cruel childish person who associated tomboys with autism somehow. Peak retardation. Autism isn't "what I don't like". Tradthot. Don't throw around the term like a average internet moid.

Your assumption that anon is a tomboy somehow is absurd; you don't know this person. Tomboys are unironically a social construct and your projection is actual internalized misogyngy. Its painful in its irony. Performing femininity can be harmful, bleaching every inch of your body is harmful, and so is taping your waist catty-chan. These aren't fun hobbies women were innately attracted to doing, they're moid inventions designed to keep women in their lane. Criticisms of makeup are fine and women are free to critique aspects of femininity invented by moids to "keep women in their place", as they please. You sound like a retarded libfem defending moid inventions designed to subjugate women keep them in their lane. What amount of libfem brain rot is required to cope yourself into thinking bbls, Botox, bimbo culture and drag queen tier makeup is muh feminine, so natural?. How do you not see your blatant hypocrisy when you claim anon is anti feminine hobbied women but in the same breath shit on tomboys as being autistic? You actually unironically have internalized misogyngy for non feminine, conforming women.

I'm confused by your argument, is femininity a performance or is it innate? Catty-chan you sound as catty as this fag moid troon anons describing >>11737

I don't see it as helpful to stereotype women just as trannies do as pure and kind and attack other women for criticising fucked up moid inventions that act as uniforms under the guise of muh femininity that is libfem pickme logic. I like makeup and many feminine things as well but I won't shit on women for criticising them. I also did not like makeup or dolls "innately" because they were invented by moids to instill specific behavior in women, therefore you can't argue that a child preferring dolls over toy cars is "innately" feminine/female. Troons also like feminine shit when they are children but that makes them moids that like feminine, performing shit, not women.

No. 11831

How it goes is that people assume women are a certain hyper-commodified/consumer-friendly way and so judge and backlash far more against women that don't fit into the hyper-specific, restrictive mold of soft-girl femininity and often seek to render than powerless and invisible to the public eye. A failed woman. It is misogyny tbh. I knew someone like that nonny and she was the first to violently hate any woman that didn't contort to her suffocating idea of femininity because she fetishized it and craved it herself. She also whined extensively about aging all the time, kek.

Why, yes, in this society, people are obsessed with women presenting a certain way because they personally benefit–and instead of at least admitting "well it's my taste", many of these morons go, "b-but it's only natural!" as if we don't live in a maximumalist society that has milked out everything to its most extremes. Devil's advocate, let's say baby girls did feel more drawn to faces, dolls, etc, even with the exact same conditioning as a baby boy. That still doesn't change what we have in society and the expectations involved is beyond natural.

No. 11832

Kek how do TIFs not find this 'invalidating'? If this were about TIMs they'd be seething.

No. 11833

I feel bad because this girl I used to be pretty close with started dating the most disgusting misogynistic tranny I've ever came across and now I'm completely repulsed by her I can't even look her in the eye anymore

No. 11834

I feel bad because this girl I used to be pretty close with started dating the most disgusting misogynistic tranny I've ever came across and now I'm completely repulsed by her I can't even look her in the eye anymore

No. 11835

I feel bad because this girl I used to be pretty close with started dating the most disgusting misogynistic tranny I've ever came across and now I'm completely repulsed by her I can't even look her in the eye anymore

No. 11836

thanks for typing the long angry post i didn't want to nona

No. 11837

They should admit 'trans men' and afab nonbinary, and not admit tims kek kek

No. 11838

Chronically Attention Deficit Moid In Useless Mode

No. 11842

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gee you'll never guess what the qrts are gonna be

No. 11843

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longscroll screenshot bcs I'm not gonna bother going through this wreck

No. 11856

>Sun Jing and Qiu Tong are 'T4T'
Kill yourself. The amount of likes and QRTs agreeing makes me happy though.

No. 11857

Gender and sex are still the same thing. People just suddenly decidided synonyms are totally different and shamed others for not knowing this thing they just made up. The same thing they're now doing with kink and fetish, they're also refering to the same thing and they act like they're super different and one is immoral and the other is normal and heckin valid for transfolks to have. The thing people now call "gender" is actually just refering to personality, style and/or a religious belief. The original word was a substitute for sex because guess what, English speakers thought the word sex was too dirty and raunchy so they made another one that didn't make them blush when saying it. Other languages didn't even have a word for gender until recently because of the troon boom.

The trans ideologys number one goal is to change language, because if you change how people are allowed to speak you change how they think. They know this, it's why "trans women are women" is their slogan instead of a variation of "trans lives matter".

No. 11862

they fail to realize sexuality is based on SEX, not "gender identity". there is literally no difference between a "feminine penis" and a man's penis. this is just straight man trying to get lesbians to sleep with them but it's "progressive" now bcs of troons. I am so tired

No. 11865

Totally agree nona. It reminds me of when people decided that nobody can be racist to white people, no matter what they do or say, because of power dynamics. They insisted that the definition of racism isn’t what it always has been, and anyone who questions it is a piece of shit. I believe the gender shit is tied in closely with that because it’s coming from the same people. Making up lies and becoming aggressive when challenged or presented with proof otherwise. I hate that I might sound like a tinfoiler or right-winger by feeling this way but it’s undeniable.

No. 11872

>I hate that I might sound like a tinfoiler or right-winger by feeling this way but it’s undeniable.
No, you're right they are literally the same people. I saw the movement grow and how the exact same individuals said you could never be racist to a white person (and every white person is a racist and can never fully unlearn it so they just are racist forever by default) because race is unchangeable, wearing it as a costume is the worst thing you could do and won't give you the true experience of being that race, and that no matter the society white people were still the oppressors and couldn't identify out of it.
The same individuals now say being born male or female is totally changeable, wearing gender as a costume is encouraged and makes the costume the reality of being that gender, and no matter the society all men stop being oppressors the second they say they are women and are now instead oppressed by women.

No. 11874

Ah, yes. Finally found a place for terf. Lovely. Still only going to drop this shit post and then fucking off. Not going to take terf with a side of misandry.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 11876

You could have fucked off without wasting site bandwidth on this post faggot

No. 11878

There's such a lack of space for left-ish progressive women who simply don't agree with troonism. You either get called a bigoted transphobe terf by the left, or you're called a fetus murderer, god hating fag lover by the right. Both sides are shit and hate women. I just don't think men can become women no matter how hard they wish for it, and to pretend they can is hurting women (and it hurts the delusional men in question too). I just don't think children should have their puberties stopped, their breasts cut off and their genitals cut up and that they can't possibly consent at that age. I just don't think that spiritual beliefs like what gender is has any place in laws outside of "religious freedom".

No. 11879

A balding agp broke into one of our hotel rooms last night so as manager on duty I had the PLEASURE of kicking his saggy ass to the curb. I let him know how disgusting he was and I would only refer to him as autogynephile or agp freak, I told him he would never be a woman. He tried to coax sympathy out of me by saying someone stole his bike I said I didn't care and he's lucky I didn't beat his ass. I got immense joy making fun of him as he scrambled to pick up all the ugly women's clothes he likely stole, and I told him I know he stole them. He was forced to do a walk of shame wearing nothing but ugly women's lingerie then struggled to retrieve the locked bike he claimed someone stole

No. 11881

Based nonna I wish you could have had the pleasure of beating the shit out of him without getting arrested kek.

No. 11887

"someone stole my bike. What should I do? Go to the police? Nah, ACAB. Better go to a hotel room to steal clothes and claim I'm a woman. What can go wrong?"

That was wild to read.

No. 11892

I can't even post here sometimes or I delete my posts because I'm so afraid of somehow accidentally doxing myself, that's how paranoid these people make me.

No. 11908

I used to be that way too but venting was way better for my mental health than saying nothing. Leave out names and places, change any detail you need to. It's highly unlikely anyone you write about would willingly browse lc even if they knew it existed

No. 11909

I used to be that way too but venting was way better for my mental health than saying nothing. Leave out names and places, change any detail you need to. It's highly unlikely anyone you write about would willingly browse lc even if they knew it existed

No. 11928

You're right nona, thank you. I don't want to live in paranoia anyway. In the spirit of this, I hate the tim that lives across the hall from me with his tif partner. Their rainbow pride stickers on their cars in the parking lot annoy me so much, they're a het couple, even by troon standards. They also play their music too loud and recently a neighbor of mine apologized for calling me 'girl' (am butch). I feel like she must've spoke to one or both of them and they snapped at her over something or did one of those condescending speeches. They only moved in recently and I've known her for years and this kind of thing has never come up, ever. Even if I was a uwu enby I still wouldn't have jumped down her throat about something like that, she's a nice lady. Fuck these clowns. Literal clowns, the tim is always out in face paint and putting stickers on his face. I've seen him in cat whiskers and furry-lite type outfits, ears and shit. I hate how they assume I'm one of them and try to talk to me in the laundry room and act overly familiar. They tell all these stories about the neighbors being bigots when none of them have ever given me a problem before and most are pretty friendly. So fucking stupid. Like no shit the mom upstairs doesn't want your pennywise ass anywhere near her children.

No. 11930

Spicy straights are really annoying nona, I feel you. I don't know if you want advice at all but here goes anyway, maybe if you run into the neighbour who apologized you could ask if she did that because of those two and politely tell her you don't agree with their cult antics. Calling an obvious female a female word like girl/woman/she isn't in any way a bad or mean thing… unless you look down on females and see those words as inherently bad. Saying you don't look female anymore and might actually be a man/enby because you don't wear a dress and paint your nails is utterly sexist of them. Just reassure her she wasn't being a bigot and those two are in the wrong. If you're a lesbian (unless you just meant the butch look in general) you can even bring up how silly/offensive it is to you as an actual gay person that they're straight but pretend like they're queer/gay.

It's actually great for you to know that your friendly neighbours are "bigots", it means they're not insane and not buying their trans cult crap kek. I'd try to connect to your neighbours about it, maybe even spread the gossip and let them know the spicy straights are calling them bigots behind their backs (and how you don't agree with that). It will build community trust and protect you and the others from their creepy backwards ways.

No. 11933

Thank you, it was so long ago now (before halloween I think) that I would feel weird bringing the incident up unless she did, but as for the rest yes it's totally possible. There's nothing these people love more than gossiping.
>Saying you don't look female anymore and might actually be a man/enby because you don't wear a dress and paint your nails is utterly sexist of them.
It's funny you brought this up because I actually said this to someone who recently asked if I was nonbinary because of the way I dress and act (one of the boys type of personality, plus I'm gay so ofc I have to be a gendie these days). I told her no, that I actually find that kind of thing sexist. I explained how I was raised with extremely strict gender roles and was told that girls couldn't do this or that, but I love doing those things, so does that make me not a girl, or does it make my parents misogynistic? It seemed to really leave an impression on her.

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No. 11935

I find trans activism so creepy to see in real life, like people wearing those “protect trans kids” shirts and organizing to give out free binders. There’s going to be a trans fashion show in my area and they have a goal to raise an absurd amount of money for more grooming shit, I guess. I’m torn between finding this weird and gross and hoping it’ll be a massive failure starring a bunch of autists.

No. 11938

Fuck them for diverting funds that could go to real LGB causes or women’s health or cancer or literally anything else

No. 11945

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>roommate is planning to troon out
>tiny guy, but mega square man jaw
>super deep voice
>obviously driven by degeneracy as he doesn't hide that he's a furry and likes hentai
>nonbinary roommate of course is hyped and wants to take him to queer events
>she is undeniably female, have yet to peak her
>other friend has been posting trans memes and thirst traps in high socks and skirts
>guy who i worked with followed me with his crossdress account on instagram (ew)
>is now his main account
>friend who moved to another country trooned out a few years ago but might have joined the 41%
>a lot of the women around me are either nonbinary or handmaidens

Why the fuck do more and more people around me get infected by this shit? Thank god i peaked my nigel years ago, just by showing him things that troons post online, and most of my close friends know that i'm a raging terf. It's nice to have safe spaces like lolcow and terfy friends, but i'm tired of having to walk on eggshells. On women's day i was talking to a friend irl (who was always gender critical) about some post i've seen on instagram (picrel) and she was actually supportive of it? Told her it was sad that she betrays women like that, left, and have been ignoring her messages since. Nonnies, i'm so done

No. 11962

Same nonnie. My coworker is a troon and I want to post about him but I’m worried including too many details would lead to me getting doxxed and fired because our workplace is VERY woke. He’s getting SRS soon and I have conflicted feelings about it - on one hand I’m like “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes” but on the other hand I feel bad because he’s clearly a lonely individual with body issues, but the only thing I’m allowed to say is “OMG YASSS GUUUURL congratulations on becoming your true self!!!” because otherwise I’d be a hateful bigot. I hate that wanting a mentally ill person to not cut their body parts off is seen as the evil conservative position.

No. 11964

Posts like this are a good reminder for me that the grass isn’t always greener. For some reason I always end up with a lot of edgelord libertarian friends and often get annoyed by it. Especially bc we live in a red state so they will make racist jokes and I hate that shit. Still, I would lose my mind if I had friends that I had to walk on eggshells with regarding things that are important to me. I’m proud of you for standing up to that girl and if I were you I’d look into options to not share a home with a troon. At the very least you should feel comfortable in your own home.

No. 11966

Spill the tea and tell us about the troon nona, I want to hear it. Just change the parts you need to.

I saw 2 huge men wearing women's clothes in town, at first I wasn't sure if they were drag queens or troons but since they didn't have the exaggerated drag makeup and clothes I think they were just regular AGP troons out and about. They had leopard pattern fluffy jackets, bad wigs, short skirts and heels. I've never seen women here dress anything like it, but they were middle aged men so I'm guessing they tried to emulate what was in style when they were teens. I don't know how to explain the feeling of both how comical and scary they looked. Knowing they're trying to mimick their own sexual idea of what I am as a woman feels so scary. They weren't even smiling or acting like they were in drag for fun, they were huge, hulking and looked seriously deranged.

No. 11968

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time to send my flying monkeys to shut down the tranny hate organization

No. 11988

I want to play games with my old internet friend but she hangs out with this TiM and his voice is so awful. I’m sure I don’t have the voice of an angel either, but my god. Please just speak normally, be kind to your vocal chords, and my ears.
I hate the falsetto so fucking much.

No. 11991

That "woman" (is a TIM IIRC) closed the comments of that post since no one took the "joke" and said "I love trans women even more" and is quite much like "say all you want, but TRAs are known for stabbing backs if stuff aren't done in their way".

That post and many "top or bottom surgeries" made me think that "grass isn't always greener" too. And the fact they are claiming "kids, please ask to your parents for a surgery or else you'll die for dysphoria" when the surgeries are a horror post over and over made me lose any respect to any TRA that want teens to alter their bodies like that, not mention also how some doctors are using it to earn money easily without knowing what to do (just see those "phalos". Even an urologist can do a better work).

No. 11992

>the surgeries are a horror post over and over made me lose any respect to any TRA that want teens to alter their bodies like that, not mention also how some doctors are using it to earn money easily without knowing what to do
The fact that troons and TRA saw the same horror posts and still kept shilling it was such a huge red flag for me. They've been sold the lie that this is the one and only solution. So they blindly believe in it and even refuse to accept that it could be improved upon, because that would be admitting that it currently has flaws. It can't have flaws, and they can't be wrong, as those things were not in the lie they were sold. So they see a meaty flesh roll tube spray pee at the base and think "oh well bad for her- i mean him- but it was just one bad surgeon, the surgery in itself wasn't to blame" and they see a one inch inverted penis wound that can't be used for sex or orgasm and think "oh well bad for hi- i mean her, but she should have chosen a better surgeon, that won't happen to ME becuase I totally do proper research, by asking other reddit users"

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Saw this when I wasn’t even trying to look at GC/peaking shit and now my mood is ruined. I think I might be angrier that the notes are filled with handmaidens like “omg so cool let’s eat ice cream and cry together!”. Like girl if you saw what these men looked like I guarantee you wouldn’t want them near you while you’re on your period. I get how estrogen causes hormonal fluctuations btw but don’t care. Not a period. I feel like this is one topic that will peak a lot of people who otherwise wouldn’t, so in a way I almost hope they keep at being this ridiculous and intolerable. More women need to wake the fuck up.

No. 11997

The key to not getting mad is to whenever you see a troon talk about having a period you remember it's because they're actually having real medical issues that they're not tending to because they're so far gone with their fetish. They could be very serious and life-threatening or they could just be shitting themselves but they've convinced themselves this unneccesary suffering (that might literally kill them) is them winning at life and "showing those pesky terfs". I find it hilarious, and men fear being laughed at by women so I make sure to tell everyone kek

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I study Japanese history and it always bothers me when people call wakashu a “third gender” when really it was just a societal role. It's like saying “prostitutes" are a 3rd gender because society viewed them as being separate from others. It was an othering role that separated those boys from the rest of society.

No. 12000

>Indians have Hijras
And they're all still male, they're either trans-identified men or intersex males. The government calls them a "third gender", but every person that sees them begging on the streets knows them to be male, i was riding the bus home and even without my glasses from far away i spotted a male in a salwar suit clapping his hands in the exact way faggots do, even in the US. "Transphobia" doesn't persist in India because the ewil Bwitish colonized us and we refused to be uncolonized, if that was true, every other celeb would be mixed with Euros or just European and Bollywood wouldn't even exist, it persists because even the likes of old superstitious people know you can't change your sex.

No. 12011

nonnies i’ve been trying to peak my nigel because of everything that has been happening but he doesn’t seem to understand what i’m saying and has mentioned “brain scans showing that being born in the wrong body happens” so i’m guessing his troon coworker gave him a rundown on the woo woo science and i’ve been finding it really hard to discuss this stuff without getting emotional. sometimes he gives me looks like i’m a conspiracy theorist when i try to tell him about some stuff. he understands that trans people can’t change their biological sex and doesn’t seem to disagree that it’s a mental illness but??? he doesn’t seem to want to watch or read stuff i’ve sent him. he also keeps saying “maybe there can be specific circumstances where trans people can use the services of their choice for safety.” i get wanting to be nice and having a troon friend makes shit different but come the fuck on man. sorry for sperg

No. 12013

Some Nigels ain’t so Nigel. Sorry if this sounds harsh bc it’s your partner, but whether he knows it or not he subconsciously sees his troon friend as a man and that’s the reason he chooses to believe him over you. Men choose men. He might eventually peak on his own, but he might have a closet sissy fetish that enables him to have “empathy” for even the worst AGPs. It’s up to you how much you care. Some things you just have to live with and keep to yourself to avoid fights that could lead to a break up.

No. 12015

introduce him to terfisaslur.com, @transwimmin on tumblr, the harassment faced by satoryuga and stacaesar https://satoryuga.tumblr.com/post/686360776328527872/honestly-its-a-fault-of-mine-but-im-very.

No. 12019

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PragerU is a scam university but the qrts are proving them right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. it's mainly fugly "femboys" and TIMs. they see the phrase men in dresses and immediately think of themselves kek. so they do have a sense of self awareness. I don't really give a shit if men wanna dress girly but it objectively never looks good because those clothes were made with a female body in mind

No. 12021

They have taken everything from us. Even fucking dianic witchcraft. I can't stand it. At least it's something very deeply radfem, they can't change it, they can only pretend they are part of it. I fucking hate men.

Happy Ostara to you, anons.

No. 12022

thank you nonnies, will offer the info given and give him some time to think. really hope he doesn’t have a closet sissy fetish kek i would leave immediately. same if he trusts looney troon over me

No. 12024

I wish there was a non-verbal way to say YWNBAW. my uni is full of grotesque troons that stomp around women’s spaces like they own the place. Sometimes staring gets the job done but I wish I could make it clear they’re not welcome without getting myself expelled kek. Too bad moids will never understand non verbal cues from women :(

No. 12026

Yeah there's a non verbal way too, it involves a 9mm

No. 12029

Best thing is to ignore them and make them feel awkward and excluded so they can cry about it on reddit. If they force themselves into a conversation just do a humble-brag by talking about your period cramps or something they'll never experience (no matter how much they lie about it)

PragerU is conservative retardation. "Men should not wear women's clothing" is a line I don't like to cross bc it invites people to argue that women shouldn't wear pants and it becomes a slippery slope. If the account wasn't ran by a retard they might focus on the fetishization and nasty intent behind the cross-dressing instead of the clothes themselves

No. 12030

I've lost so much respect for my close friends. I can't help but see them as idiots now because they bring the topic of trannies and JKR up unprompted almost all the time now so I can't escape that topic irl now. Like one of them will just say she knows one actor from one HP movie because we'll see on TV and one of them, often the same ones, will yell about how JKR is a terf and in league with the alt right. I wish their opinions were just relatively normal shit like "HSTS transwomen shouldn't be murdered by transphobes" because that would be less infuriating and a bit more understandable.

No. 12031

I'd think they'd eventually notice that women don't engage them beyond polite small talk and keep giving them the "What is this guy doing here?" look, but I may be overestimating moids

No. 12040

this and when they complain about being excluded like "wahhh you're excluding me becuase i'm twans!!!!" just tell them that women don't make friends with all women, and sometimes they don't get along for no reason, and transwomen want to be treated equal to cis women, riiiiiight?

No. 12042

Weird how these cultures that think homosexuality is a disease that only exists in the west see signs of homosexual attraction as "not real men and women" huh, surely they can't just be homophobic cultures with extremely rigid gender roles trying to cover up why some people are gnc…

No. 12043

>“maybe there can be specific circumstances where trans people can use the services of their choice for safety.”
Ask him if he would still think that if that action put the women there at risk, for one troon to be safe from other MEN. And if so, shouldn't other men at risk also be allowed there, like disabled men or gay men?
He'd probably say because those men "don't want to go to the women's spaces" so then why are we letting men in only of the basis of "they WANT to"? Men who want to go into women's spaces is the exact ones rules and laws are made to keep out.

The brain scan study showed that trans identified gay men and women are both sexually attracted to men, that's it. There is no evidence that the "trans" people used in the study didn't detrans later and now live as gay men.

Statistically trans identified males are equally likely to commit a crime as another man. The only statistical difference is that troons are MORE likely to commit a sexual crime than men who aren't trans. Roughly 50% of trans women in jail committed a sexual crime, usually against women or children. Those stats persist regardless of if they've had hormones and/or surgery. Another statistic is that men who are in jail for sexual violence are more likely to also commit it again in jail… and they're sending these men to women's prisons. And then letting them into women's spaces when they're out of jail.

Most troons are attracted to women. Most still have their dicks. Show him the twitter thread of thousands of videos of troons masturbating in public female bathrooms. Show him troons talking about "skirt go spinny euphoria boners". Show him the ones that admit it's a fetish and the people cheering them on.

No. 12044

>I've lost so much respect for my close friends.
Same, for a few of mine. If I were you I'd attempt to peak them using pics of AGP men, if it doesn't work you leave and find new friends.

No. 12046

Send the signals to other women!
Give them scared looks and stay by them as a form of protection from the troon. Send the other women "this person is a danger and is bothering me" signals to them and try to avoid the troon. You don't even have to pretend because troons are a danger and you should be vary about these men who want to infiltrate women's spaces on purpose even though women keep having reasonable questions about it that they then get aggressive over. I've been sexually assaulted by "innocent" troons in public spaces when I was still a handmaiden. If the troon is perceptive enough to notice it will get under his skin, if not other women will still be alerted that something is up with that man in a dress. It goes both ways, if a troon comes in as you're about to leave (a bathroom for example) then go back in and stay near the other woman protecting her until you can both leave. If she asks about it afterwards just say "pretty that person has been bothering women, just wanted to make sure we're both safe" or "I think that person might be dangerous" (which is true because he was in a space he's not allowed in as a male).

You can also exchange amused looks and roll your eyes over troons that look ridiculous. Be visibly uncomfortable or annoyed.

No. 12047

How do I try and unpeak myself. I was first pretty terfy in HS after I realized I only identified as NB because I thought as a child I could escape female puberty. But then I tried to unpeak myself because all my friends are trans. I stopped looking at trans related shit for years and pretended they really were women/men. But after covid and seeing even more people decide they're suddenly trans because they want to be a uwu submissive wife I started becoming more disillusioned. I made new friends but like everyone in this fucking university is trans. Literally half the women I befriend are enby. I feel so fucking weird whenever they talk about how things "give them gender." What the fuck is a gender. Theyre all nonbinary. I'm going insane. And it doesn't help I'm a literal genetics major. We literally talk about sex. But I'm supposed to ignore what my classes are telling me about biological sex because all my friends want to believe they can escape misogyny by putting down other women?

Do they think I'm vapid because I don't talk about my "gender." Do they think I enjoy being sexualized and belittled because I have no problem with being a woman? I already grew out of this when I was 15. I wish I never peaked sometimes. I don't even hate my friends. I see it as a mental health problem. But I can't take their stupid comments about gender and trans shit anymore. Because you don't like wearing a dress it means you're not a woman? Really? I really wish I could unpeak myself. I'm so disillusioned with all my friends. But everyone in this fucking city is trans or some super mega ally. I feel so isolated and alone. I don't even have online friends to talk to this about because theyre all into this shit too. How the fuck do I make normal friends. I feel like I need to unpeak myself for the sake of my social life because I go insane everytime they have a discussion about gender. I literally bite my tongue whenever they start talking about this. I need to unpeak myself for the sake of my sanity. Or I need to find the 1% of normal women in this city my age who don't believe in this stupid shit. But we're all too scared to voice our opinion because a moid will beat us to death or try and rape us for having a dissenting opinion. I hate this movement. I would rather deal with literal NLOG pickmes from the 90s than whatever we have now.

No. 12050

I almost outed myself as a terf yesterday when I said someone gave me agp vibes, one of the friends I was talking with claimed it's a terf dog whistle but I managed to save it by going "oh I thought it was the same as calling someone a sissy uwu" (my friends and I used to be into lolita for years and one of them usually go to fetish parties so at least they know sissy is an actual fetish). Despite being dumb af surface level sjws they are sweet so I don't want to lose them, and outing myself as a terf would cause me to be ostracized from my entire friend group. Already had it happen once because I called out one of the "popular" girls on her bullshit in my old group when I was younger so I don't wanna have it happen again.

Luckily I've always been open with my friends that my main focus when it comes to the subject of gender is geared towards abolishing gender roles, discussing how it affects our society and shapes our identities, since that is how I was raised by my feminist mom. So it's easy to play stupid when it comes to the troon question. Interestingly none of my gendie or tra friends wants to discuss it with me despite agreeing with my stance that gender norms/roles is something that should be heavily taken into count when it comes to gender identity.

No. 12051

>How do I try and unpeak myself
oh nona I don't think you can unpeak unless you literally get amnesia and forget everything you now know. Vent as much as you want in this thread, spam if you must, just get it out.
I find it helps to put words to what I feel and it's easier to process when it's written out in front of me. Everything they say contradicts itself so getting it all sorted factually helps calm my brain. Like how gender dysphoria is SO awful they want to die and they need all the medical care and they need it NOW before cancer patients, but don't you fucking dare insinuate that trans people all have dysphoria or that dysphoria is what makes someone trans, you bigot. That doesn't add up.

You were once an enby like them, and you managed to peak - so they CAN peak too. If they're obsessed with talking about gender you have an easy way in to bring up AGP and men who admit it's a fetish for them. See where their breaking point is. Is it troons pretending to have periods, is it when they want to breastfeed, is it the ones who say being a woman for them is being degraded and sexual, do they think it's reasonable to expect euphoria boners in women's changing rooms in front of little girls? Find their buttons and gently push them.

No. 12067

Nona I feel like we live in the same city lmao and even if not, trust me theres more than just us out there. I let go of a lot of those kinds of friends last year and I'm happier for it. I can't stand people who say "this is my gender" about everything, it does feel like their entire personality. Also those TIFs aren't interested in feminism in the slightest cause they think it somehow doesn't effect them anymore. They live in a delusional bubble that WILL get popped in the future. You've just gotta find other sane people to talk to imo.
For un-peaking though, legitimately the only thing that works for me is fiction. Not like shitty comics written by trans uwus but speculative fiction that looks at how gender would work in for instance a genderless or matriarchal alien race. I can't imagine our society ever "abolishing" gender roles so it's interesting to read and it kind of makes me see what the trans movement is saying? But then of course, I remember they're all basement dwellers in reality and don't do any actual self reflection. So basically you can only unpeak if you pretend trans people aren't real.

No. 12069

Nta but do you have fiction you can recommend?

No. 12077

>So basically you can only unpeak if you pretend trans people aren't real
nta but knowing these people hurt children (especially girls) and get cheered on and making bank for doing it makes me unable to even pretend. It's an emperor's new clothes story, everyone is pretending to not see the horrors and it won't stop until people start calling it out for what it is

No. 12079

I don't think I've ever seen a happy TRA. Everyone has heaps of mental illness and issues. The most pro-troonism people I've known have always been the ones with the absolute worst mental health. Especially males (although female TRAmaidens are more in numbers). I still see it in the spaces I'm crypto in, the more depressed, easily offended and angry they are the more they shill out for troons and bring it up when it's not even relevant.
I wonder if it's the trans movement itself that made their normal level mental health turn to shit, or if the movement simply attracts and preys on the people who are already that mentally ill. I think the exception is TRA who personally gain from the movement, such as a few pandering influencers and parents who trans their kids for attention. Usually the further away they are from actual trans people and knowing the truth the happier they are.

No. 12085

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not that anon but this book is great

The Gate to Womens Country by Sheri S Tepper

No. 12089

Hopefully this can cleanse some palettes. I know it's a vent thread, but I wanted to share. My niece is 16 and she's indoctrinated into that troon stuff so I thought she'd be a fierce "ally", but she's not. She hates the idea of trans women in sports and thinks it's insane people would allow that, she's bi. She said, "I thought I was pansexual, but I JUST can't be into a trans person…like just NO! I don't get that." Lol, how she's unashamed of being a "TERF." She tells me she's not going through the trouble of the dating a girl (my brother is homophobic) if it's just a guy. Plus she says it's not attractive. Even bi-zoomers that spend 24/7 on tik tok can't buy into this scam anymore. I have never shared one bit of my TERF ideals with her.

No. 12105

I only started looking for this topic recently so just the Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula le Guin for now! Some books on my to-read though are Octavia Butler's Xenogenesis series, The Power by Naomi Alderman, and I Who Have Never Known Men by Jacqueline Harpman.
I agree. I think when anyone first learns about trans people, you pity them and want to be supportive but the more you learn, the more fucked up things sound and you have to do mental gymnastics to stay supportive. I felt like I was gaslighting myself constantly. It's absolutely not worth it to try un-peaking, as in accepting the whole trans culture wave or whatever you'd call it. I think if I got to know someone personally tho that's trans/enby but doesn't identify with the community and has their own reasons/views, then I could talk with and understand them.

No. 12108

Imo left hand of darkness is not a good GC read in the slightest, it comes across as very male fellating. Le Guin put in no effort into dissecting sexism itself, she just hamfistedly threw a misogynist to gawk at genderless aliens before he realizes sexism is bad. She wanted to be forward thinking on gender and apparently that means a race of sexless aliens that are masculine coded by default and only turn into women to make babies… very "revolutionary" and "feminist". I was really hoping the left hand of darkness was some underrated feminist masterpiece but it comes across as detached, male obsessed and dry. Speculative feminist fiction can teach us how gender influences us and how sexism is bad without writing a misogynistic protagonist that makes constant remarks on how much he hates women to drive home the core message. sorry for the sperg I just find ursula to be super pretentious

No. 12109

I am so close to completely peaking my friend but she always says "um, not all of them are like that!!!" and keeps defending TiMs, but she'll turn around and agree with bashing on TiFs because they apparently destroyed her "lesbian fantasy" with her favorite actresses (think Ellen Page). I don't know if I'm on the right track on peaking her, I'm getting kind of sick of her shit

No. 12110

you should terf her up some more, it's a nice way to bond and she'll feel more secure in her terfy views

No. 12111

>"um, not all of them are like that!!!"
Agree with her that not all of them, "but some ARE, and THEY make the good trans people look bad" and show her some gross troon examples. You give her that subconscious way out so she doesn't have to feel guilty about roasting gross troons, because then it's not about the "good ones". She will eventually realize all of them are the same. Baby steps nona, you're doing great!

No. 12116

I’ve finally fully peaked and I wish I hadn’t been such a weak handmaiden for years. My entire friend group would disown me if I was more open with my views no matter how rational they are. The same people who believe me when I point out how many things are wrong with the world all stem from rich moids wanting more money would go absolutely apeshit if I pointed out how most countries that do not have privatized healthcare have been walking back their “transition is the only way” approach while the US have become even more loud about medical transition being the ONLY approach. Big Pharma expecting to make billions off these people should be a giant red flag, but I know I’d be written off as a transphobic conspiracy theorist. Even if I ignore the men attacking women and putting on a dress for more easy access, I’d still be ousted. I’m sure it’s just a “coincidence” that Canada is talking about opening their borders to “trans refugees” mere moments after deciding to move towards privatizing healthcare. They’re trying to drain people of all their funds. That’s not even considering how much money is to be made once these sterile freaks decide they want children as the IVF industry has been slowly growing in revenue over the years. But we can’t even acknowledge the massive grift without being labeled transphobic and shunned. I can’t stand it. Maybe I’m just paranoid but I don’t think I’m wrong and I want to thank whichever anon in the FTM thread recommended the documentary Affirmation Generation. It’s eye opening and at this point I’d say TRAs are the REAL facists. But I have to remain crypto unless I want to be harassed for the foreseeable future. Every time my Aiden friends bring up trans rights I want to scream. I’m so grateful to everyone who is talking about this because the amount of women blindly following everything these moids say is alarming at best and I feel so alone. I don’t post much because I’m deeply afraid of them somehow finding out and it’s fascinating how we as women have to live in fear of men even in THIS regard. If they want to keep taking their precious cyanide pills then fine but I don’t understand why they need to drag the rest of us down with them. All while these horse piss pill manufacturers sit on their mountain of troon bux. It’s enough to make me want to take a dirt nap. I’ve been skeptical ever since finding detransition blogs on tumblr around 2010 but hadn’t fully peaked until recently. I wanted to give people the benefit of the doubt. But in typical moid fashion, we gave them an inch and they took a mile. I’m glad to know there are SOME sane people standing against this mess. I just wish there were more I knew personally irl.

No. 12118

Happy you peaked nona even if it's a hard route to go down alone. Try talking to people not in your woke friend group, such as family members or work colleagues, sports/activity club members. Older people are a bit more resistant to the trans ideology specifically. You could even watch the documentary with your family

No. 12156

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Got a video about the trans legislation and I swear to God they are overusing the word "genocide" way too much.

No. 12157

Stage 7 is the stage where they start getting the camps and hit squads ready btw, after already going through the stages of completely gutting their legal rights and revoking citizenship, forcing them to mark themselves as members of the group by wearing a symbol, empowering extremist paramilitary groups that hate them, etc.

None of those things have happened or are happening to trans people

No. 12170

I agree that Left Hand of Darkness is pretty bad. "Detached" is a good word for it. Le Guin idolized her academic father and I think that influenced her fiction in a lot of boring ways.

I recommend Suzy McKee Charnas' Holdfast series, especially the second book Motherlines, which has no men in it at all. Four books but they don't need to be read in order. I'd also recommend James Tiptree Jr. (a woman writing under a pseudonym), particularly her story "The Women Men Don't See." The Female Man and We Who Are About To by Joanna Russ are also good, though I prefer her Alyx stories. Kate Wilhelm wrote a lot of good domestic scifi short stories about women's daily lives, work, and family relationships.

I'd also recommend looking into the Women's Press SF, which was a feminist sf publisher in the 80s. I think they released like 200 titles, a mix of reprints and new releases. Here's a (partial I think?) list:

If someone starts a women's sci fi thread in /ot/ I will sperg out hard because I had never heard of the Sherri S Tepper book posted above and there is so much SFF by women that I want to discover more. And outside of the overtly feminist authors there are a lot who explore women's lives, feminist issues, sexual violence, etc like CJ Cherryh, Joan Vinge, Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, Elizabeth A. Lynn… and I have a particular interest in women who wrote genre fiction pre-1960s like Andre Norton, CL Moore, Judith Merrill, Leigh Brackett…

Sorry, sperg over.

No. 12174

>when I point out how many things are wrong with the world all stem from rich moids wanting more money would go absolutely apeshit if I pointed out how most countries that do not have privatized healthcare have been walking back their “transition is the only way” approach while the US have become even more loud about medical transition being the ONLY approach.
>I’m sure it’s just a “coincidence” that Canada is talking about opening their borders to “trans refugees” mere moments after deciding to move towards privatizing healthcare.
This is such a good point, I would've expected it to convince more people. I hate that trannies infest every left-wing space that isn't already full of incels and brocialists, but at the same time advocate for the exploiting the mentally ill through super expensive, destructive surgeries and treatments, aggressively support porn and prostitution, and spam their disgusting misogynistic porn everywhere (even if it's "femboy" or tranny shit and doesn't involve actual women, it still manages to be extremely misogynistic by calling moids "girls" and associating femininity with humiliation and degradation, as well the implication that women only exist to be worthless sex objects… you already know how it is). I hate how everyone even remotely to the left has been indoctrinated into thinking those are good things and that you're literally Hitler if you even think there's something off about any of it.
>Every time my Aiden friends bring up trans rights I want to scream
I want to scream every time I see any troon make a post or comment related to anything I like online. Especially if they bring up "trans rights" out of fucking nowhere. They're so fucking obnoxious, that they don't even have to mention transgenderism in their comment because they feel the need to announce their mental illness through their username and profile pic, ESPECIALLY TIMs, they are an eyesore both online and in real life.
Everybody else will rush to defend them too if there's one or two people who had the guts to call them out. If you do that you'll be spammed with fake as fuck "facts" about how trannies really are the opposite sex just because they "feel like it" (and it's almost always MtF, not FtM, obviously), how TWAW and how you're a fascist who is literally genociding trannies for not being extra nice and encouraging tranny delusions by "affirming their gender" and pretending they're actual women.
Every one of those TRAs should watch the video "What Is A Woman: Wrong Answers Only" by Skirt Go Spinny that's on bitchute and try to defend trannies after that. They'd probably cope by saying something like "oh but those are just exceptions those aren't real trans women those people aren't actually trans, AGP has nothing to do with transgenderism, those are very rare cases, #NotAllTransWomen"
>I’m glad to know there are SOME sane people standing against this mess.
There's a lot of people who aren't terminally online who are skeptical or outright reject the idea as well. The scary thing is that most of those people are unaware that a massive conspiracy is taking place to create as many trannies out of mentally unstable or insecure people as possible and drain the working class of their money as well as use trannies as a political weapon. I'm afraid of what's to come because of this. On top of that, just the thought of trannies becoming universally accepted (even if only because you'll be punished for not doing so) and becoming more common irl where I live, repulses me deeply, both because TIMs are disgusting, and because of the implicit misogyny of it all.

No. 12181

Normal people: "It's illegal to go around people's comforts and approvals for what they interact with sexually, that's a form of rape, so you have to let people know you don't have a natal vagina if you want to sleep with them. All you have to do is make sure your partner knows and consents."
Troons: "This is literally genocide omg stop killing us!!!!!"

No. 12205

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These arguments are always like "you think transgenderism is a modern perversion, bigot? well this civilization 1000 years back had castrated boys sexually serving adult men which we directly parallel to modern day transgenderism." like the vast majority of "third gender" or "two-spirit" roles cited in academia as examples of "transgenderism" in ancient or primitive societies were of some men fulfilling roles traditionally held by women, and adopting some superficial feminine characteristics (in dress, make-up etc.).

No. 12206

>forcing them to mark themselves as members of the group by wearing a symbol,
this is the only thing that applies and they are doing it to themselves with how they plaster their stupid flags all over everything. they really wish there was a genocide against them because they're the ones that love othering themselves from the rest of the population

No. 12214

i’m sure plenty of nonnies have said this before but it truly is so weird how nervous some people look when you start talking about the unknown/negative aspects of transgenderism. like i’ve spoken to some normies that don’t really see all the TRA shit online and when you start talking about it they’re like “yea….ha….but..there are normal ones that understand..” straight up fucking weird. i’m guessing it’s cause more companies’ HR departments are filled with white girls that pat themselves on the back for having their pronouns on their linkedin bios. or more people than i thought are retarded.
also the other day i caught a peek of a friend’s work laptop and one of her coworker’s pronouns on their work IM was thon/thons and you’re not gonna tell me that man pretending to be a “thon”/“woman” isn’t a fucking freak? dude has psychopath eyes too

No. 12217

The fuck is a thon kek
I first read thong

No. 12218

kek that’d actually be way less retarded imo and would also help show people the moid is a degenerate weirdo. he’s also poly ofc which should be a glaring red flag to everyone

No. 12219

anon i would die for a feminist sci fi lolcow book club haha

No. 12233

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I can't believe I didn't peak until my mom told me about Lia Thomas. In high school my first mtf loved a comic called Y: The Last Man and I hated how the feminists were portrayed as insane bitches. He honestly didn't see the problem when I tried to explain and I realized we were fundamentally incompatible. It's not misogynistic for them to be unsympathetic harpies because they were probably terves I guess is the logic. Picrel is eeevil misandrist looking kinda based

No. 12249

Even non-terminally online normies seem pretty aware of how you're not allowed to criticize or question trannies and seem nervous around the subject. My friend showed me an interview regarding trans women in sports with a tim and the interviewer was very obviously nervous and bent over backwards to not incite the tranny rage and you could tell he (the interviewer) got gradually more annoyed with having to jump through hoops to politely question the troon's logic.
How have this not caused more push against the TRAs? Making people afraid of not going along with their delusions without questioning it or constant fear of committing wrongthink should be cause of a huge amount of criticism. God knows I am about to explode because I'm tired of being afraid.

No. 12253

In French thon means tuna kek

No. 12271

Late reply but
Unfortunately I am terrified of trying to peak them. They hate "terfs". At uni there were fuck terfs stickers being posted around too and they commented how cool that was. I've never seen them go to the extent of terfs should be killed or raped though. But they were all very upset about the HP game too. I'd rather not risk my social reputation to peak them. I'm not scared of them, but I'm scared of other men finding out and trying to attack me. They're friends with trans women who say they have periods and shit too so. If they are willing to believe in that shit I think theyre too far gone.
I've been distracting myself and trying to escape into fiction too. Or worlds where gender and sex don't matter.
Anyway I feel really conflicted at times. Like I feel horrible having these thoughts and noticing things when some of my friends are like she/they enbies and some are even trans women. At least from what I've interacted with them, none of them have been perverted or rapey around me or others so they're not like the most extreme cases. But whenever they all talk about how they can have periods too I try to not let my distaste show. I pretend its like listening to a flat earther. Except unlike flat earthers they as a group are beginning to fucking impact laws. Sometimes I oscillate between anger at the state of women's rights today because of the movement to apathy or slight guilt that I harbor these thoughts. I try and think of them as mentally ill or GNC but whenever they bring up gender and trans shit I can't help but notice things more. I don't mind their company when were not talking about this stuff. Idk how many of you actually have trans friends but the guilt and trying to play along with their bs is eating me up inside. I am becoming more and more tired of nodding my head and pretending I agree or care. But at the same time they're my friends and we get along for the most part whenever we don't talk about this shit. I want to make friends with people who don't believe in this but then those types of people are usually in right wing circles so I feel like there's no hope. at least not here.

No. 12275

From what I understand pretty much all of the castes held up as examples of trans people existing in ancient times are either gay men being othered and seen as less than "real" men, or misogyny escalating until women were seen as too unclean and impure to do things in churches and had to be replaced by crossdressing men in their rituals.

The modern medical stuff is obviously new, which makes me wonder where all these supposedly inevitable trans suicides were before transition existed.

No. 12283

Nona we are living the same fucking life. I saw a “vore terfs”sticker on my campus yesterday. It’s so fucking hard being in an environment that’s so passive aggressive just know you’re not alone kek

No. 12289

I haven't buy the HP game yet because I know people would tell me "why did you gave your money to that terf when you could send money to a poor trans person". Hell no, you weren't there when I needed money, why should I give money to a random person that I have never speak with in first place?

No. 12297

just out of curiosity is this a prestigious/posh end university you're talking about or just a regular old uni? i feel like a lot of trooning comes from middle class or actually rich people (like philosophytube kek) and have seen some snobbiness from tras on places like twitter saying they understand gender the best because they have a phd or similar arrogant bullshit. i know this doesn't fully answer your question but i did "unpeak" a few years ago in my early 20s after a terven period, used they/them for a while only to end up having a second peaking that was much more intense and cathartic than my first one. your friends sound young and can maybe still outgrow it, but i think it depends a bit on how the trans discussion evolves over the next few years. especially here in bong land i'm seeing more and more gc leaning discussion and more unhinged cringeworthy tra pushback. something will shift soon, i just can't tell how.

No. 12302

Boring asf peak because I started off being apathetic towards trannies, but actually witnessing them turned it to disdain. There's this…unbearable MALENESS around them that's ridiculous. Like, wow, you'd think they'd be more like women, but nope!

>the language around women is now far more policed than the language around men for very obvious reasons (protecting mens' feelings)

>they mostly exist because they buy into retarded gender stereotypes and see femininity like a commodity to emulate/consume
>obsessed with colonializing womens' spaces–like regular men
>harassing and abusing nonviolent, relatively kind "TERFs" like JK Rowling
>widespread pedophilia, many are fixated on anime girls too
>sticking out like a sore thumb in womens' groups, even online
>harassing women that actually want women/pussy because they need to bully women into their delusion to feel better about themselves

Look, I'm a very exhausted person, there's not much hate to spare in me. That they managed to flub this hard is amazing. They might be freaks of the patriarchy, but they're still agents of it.

No. 12303

I'm losing my mind. My friend genuinely believes that once a TiM surgically transitions/undergoes HRT he suddenly understands all the traumatic experiences and the mindset of a woman, but when a TiF surgically transitions/undergoes HRT she suddenly becomes an incel and deserves to get thrashed for becoming a man. Even when I have been trying to explain it as kindly as possible to her how she's wrong she still goes on about how the horse piss magically erases all the experiences a TiM or a TiF had of being raised as a man or a woman.

No. 12305

>tranny hon

No. 12306

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She sounds retarded honestly. Literally 2 days ago saw a thread on Reddit of some handmaiden complaining about her TIM husband not helping her take care of their baby and using weaponized incompetence like a typical moid. (Picrel) There’s no fucking way their entire childhood brain programming is just overwritten by hormones and surgery even for the most passing troons. Especially since TIMs experience euphoria any time they even remotely go through something that’s awful for women, like being catcalled or creeped on by gross men.

No. 12307

Have you considered dumping the friend because that sounds annoying as all hell

No. 12309

Buy it anyway and say it was a gift from an innocent older relative who isn't woke but knows you liked HP as a kid and didn't want to hurt their feelings by throwing the game back in their loving face so you started playing it

No. 12311

I saw a random sticker that said something like TEAM SISSIES or some shit. My friend is a normie and thought it was like, referring to sissy as some child calling each other a sissy. I immediately thought it was the same people who post TERFS GET THESE HANDS type stickers.
I honestly have 0 interest in HP. I never liked the books or movies. But the outrage is making me interested in the game at least because I like open world rpgs. But I will never buy it on steam, maybw GOG because my friends will watch my steam and see I bought it and confront me.
No. My university is a state university. It is prestigious in some fields but its not like the Ivys or MIT. Though it wishes it was. However all of them have their tuition paid by their parents. Ironically they have joked I'm rich before because I'm the only one with a job. I have to work to pay for my tuition and I get grants from the university… I'm not sure if its a class thing or its just a general city culture thing. Some of them are genuinely GNC though, so for somr of them I chalked it up to them thinking having a dislike of feminine things means you're not a woman. I know what you mean though, when you're more affluent you have more time to get into this stuff. I really really hope all of them grow out of this. Only one of them are on hormones at least so if they ever do change their mind its reversible and a phase they can grow out of.

No. 12315

You're right on that she's pretty much retarded. I have lost a lot of respect for her because I have tried so hard to prove the science behind TiM minds yet she chooses to remain delusional and believe they're more capable of understanding the struggles of a woman than a TiF who was socialized as a girl her whole life. I guess her failing all her biology classes was a sign. That pic of the handmaiden complaining while the one she was replying to is prioritizing the feefees of her moid husband infuriates the shit out of me, goes to show how none of these scrotes actually care about women and never change.
She's been my friend ever since we were kids. I'd hate to let go of her and she's the only one in my friend group who knows I hate troons. I should probably stop ranting about TiMs to her though, because she only cares about degrading TiFs and keeps backpedaling for moids like a typical libfem even when I show her evidence.

No. 12329

I think my ex is going to troon out soon, not a vent, he's really ugly so I'm excited

No. 12364

Spotting troons irl is such a fun sport, nonnies.You have to be retarded not to clock them, even the "passing" ones. Just in a half second glance, you'll notice their giant horse faces, floppy daffy duck feet, pathetic mosquito bite moobs, and fried hair. I sometimes sell at conventions, so it's nonstop troon spotting kek I only wish other sellers weren't handmaidens so we could laugh together

No. 12372

I just found out my friend (FtM) chose their boy name AFTER A FUCKING STRANGER THINGS CHARACTER.

No. 12374

Kek now I’m just trying to guess which character it would be. Haven’t even watched that show past the first season but I’m gonna bet it’s either Steve or Eddie

No. 12375

I didnt watch much but its the character Billy….and I mean she is SKINWALKING him. Hair, clothes, jewelry, "good vibes" bullshit, picked up smoking again, a whole group of new friends to do gay RPs on TikTok and just found out shes getting the characters tattoo as well?????????? Im about to fucking hate watch the season hes in so i understand her new lore

No. 12376

Peak cringe but I’ve seen other TIFs skinwalk him too so she’s not even being original

No. 12377

There are so many troons in my neighborhood… so many. There’s two that work at the grocery store, three at the movie theater, 4 or more at the coffee shop. I walk into any of these establishments and not only is it the employee, it’s the fucking customers. How isn’t this a trend? At this rate by the end of the year everyone’s going to be a fucking troon. It doesn’t make sense! Somehow I’m going to end up transing because that’ll be the only way to make sense of this mass delusion I find myself caught in.
They aren’t even trying! Just long stringy limp hair and neckbeards with little staches coming in. The only consolation is knowing that when this trend ends they can never take it back. I long for the day that piercings or tattoos were trendy, even emo nonsense was better than this! At least I didn’t have to wonder if the weird stains all over the toilet were semen or not. Thank god for bleach wipes.

No. 12381

let me guess, she was a fujoshi at some point as well?

No. 12382

I'm a tall woman and have gotten a lot of shit for it growing up and have a hard time finding clothes so I'm incredibly insecure about it so I get really excited when I see other tall women, especially ones that have no problem wearing heels or showing off their body since I always try to cover myself up due to BDD. One evening I was walking across the train station when I saw a really tall woman walking ahead of me and since I walk pretty fast I got gradually closer, and the closer I got the more I gradually realized
>Huh, their thighs look a bit manly and shapeless even in heels, poor girl
>Wait, that stringy hair…
>Ill-fitting top…
>When i look closer I realize she had no hips…?
>Oh god it is not a woman
My disappointment was immeasurable and my evening was ruined

No. 12383

File: 1679900663026.gif (Spoiler Image, 1.55 MB, 178x349, littleweirdoss.gif)

She will never be him.

No. 12384

Same, nona. I got a ton of shit for my deep voice from family all my life but I made it a point of pride. All my friends tell me I have the deepest voice out of all the women they met lol. Once I saw some streamer/broadcaster and thought he was a woman bc of lowres + long hair and got so excited when I heard his voice, like wow a fellow deep-voiced woman! Cue my mom telling me he's trans and bursting that bubble. They really ruin so many things, even the subtle ones.

No. 12387

The cringe peaks higher!! her last skinwalk was Viktor from yuri on ice and included all his accoutrements…including buying the fucking dog (still has it doesnt and never cared for it at all) and a new girlfriend to be her Yuri (and became a throuple with her husband)
Ye but im 30+ lol so it was quit a while before the term came about. Think when yaoi paddles first came out.
Absolutely never. Her phases only last 2-3 and with the show ending…hoping she doesnt chop her tits off before she realizes it was a mistake

No. 12389

She seems far enough gone that you could experiment how much she can take without peaking. If she fully peaks then great, if not then she's not worth being friends with.

No. 12390

Skinwalking a fictional character is cringe but at least it's not a real person. Hope she grows out of it

No. 12391

Shes close to 40 so..uh

No. 12392

Genuine deep female voices are so soothing, troons can't even get close. They either get that mtf Mickey Mouse voice, or if they're ftm they ruin their vocal cords with testosterone which gives them the kermit frog fried sound.

No. 12393

Why are you still friends with her? She's clearly an unhealthy mess who doesn't care how her actions affect others

No. 12396

You are correct. Shes basically my adopted sister and oldest friend. I gave up on getting mixed up in helping her long ago. My friend is still in there somewhere but shell be like this her whole life.

No. 12397

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I am so fucking done and frustrated with this world that keeps kissing tranny ass. All my colleagues have been constantly propagating the idea that gender is something you can choose at will despite science saying otherwise. Have people been so terminally online that their idea of what entails a man or a woman has been distorted? Back then I'd complain about genderspecials and trannies and everyone will just laugh along. Now everyone will get offended on their behalf and burn me on the stake just because I'm a gender critical feminist. I was forced to drink the Kool-aid during the pandemic but I was always uncomfortable and rolling my eyes at their bullshit made-up identities. Browsing on LC again reminds me that there's a sliver of hope for all these retards to wake up and I have high hopes that a time will come when the troons make a mistake and anger everyone on the planet enough to make them socially unacceptable again. I am just so exhausted with having to walk on eggshells around all these whiny bastards.

No. 12414

One time when i was a handmaiden still, i was in a chatgroup about my hobby which was just for girls and there was a troon aong us. I gave him advice about hairstyle for his face and shit.. ugly horseface. And he was usually moping about his life in the chat and about how he cuts himself. One time he send a pic in which he was naked buffalobilling the camera with cuts on his thighs and i think about that a lot. I think that might have been the first little peak for me. Nobody send naked pictures in that group, it was quite sfw but the only person who couldn't help himself and expose himself to girls was the one and only troon.

No. 12417

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George Takei with a shitty take. wtf is "not fully cis"? non binary? Yeah, George, I'm not really worried about boundaries and rights of women, I'm just projecting because I cannot accept that I'm not even a woman myself - because I don't wear makeup. I'm just a uterus-having enby I guess

No. 12421

The site will not delete repeating posts for you.

No. 12422

The first part is the old myth that homophobes are just secretly gay themselves when statistically that's unlikely and it's a way for straight people to blame gays for their own oppression. Men use this exact excuse all the time, they also say women have it bad not because of men but because of feminism. It's never men's fault when they oppress people.

No one fears they're not fully cis, all sane people just recognize they're not cis because it doesn't exist because men and women come in different variations within the limits of sex and a feminine man and a masculine woman are still their sex and not some magic third or hundredth new gender.

No. 12429

dammit. i posted and nothing appeared so left and now i came back and it's too late. sorry nonas.

No. 12438

I haven't actually watched that show because I know there's some stuff in it that would really upset me but doesn't that character abuse his little sister? Fucking classic TRA behavior I guess, abusive men are admirable in their books

No. 12440

Same person, sorry, I replied to the wrong post. New here.

No. 12444

A tif I've known for about 2 years through college has me needing to vent here. She had kept quiet about troon stuff for a while since going elsewhere but halfway through an online conversation with some other friends she completely derails by posting a link to a go-fund me for top surgery. The goal is £5000 pounds and already after not even a week its almost hit 1k. It outrages me that some person has donated £500 to this. I don't know if the donater knows her personally or what but no image is even provided on the fundme just text. I know this was mentioned at one point in the tif or tim thread but what's stopping me from pretending to be a tif just to get paid a fortune for supposed 'gender affirming surgeries'? Do you need to show proof you used the money for the surgery? In spite of her derail though, barely any of my other friends have donated it lol. I just hope it stays that way and they are peaking and that I don't get confronted about not donating.

A fear I had was coming into secondary contact with her T gel. I think an article mentioned a toddler coming into contact with it and starting puberty super early in another thread. Even before I knew much about T gel I was worried about it being spread on her clothes or on the fingers and then getting on me whenever she would touch my hand/mouse/pens ect. and having some effect on me without noticing. It seems so terrifying to me, like something out of a psychological horror story. Another thing is that she claims to hate women (idk if its a joke) despite exclusively dating them. I found it a little weird how she only likes tomboyish girls- there's nothing wrong with that by itself I know- what I mean is maybe I'm tinfoiling but I thought it could be because they are 'more likely to Troon out' becuase of the 'they don't act like a hyper feminine girl must mean they are a boy!!' mentality. The only thing that made me think that is when she told me 'I'd make a good transboy' which really creeped me out. The more I think about it the more groomer-y that seems, I hope I'm just overthinking. She labels anyone who's mind isn't controlled by coom an asexual which I thought was good since she would leave me alone but nope it means 'umm you can't talk to her about that she's ace' policing mentality. Despite this labelling of nearly everyone, she claims asexuals are not part of the lgbtq+ becuase "they aren't oppressed unlike us transpeople"

In spite of all this she has been very helpful to me and a lot of others during my course and is one of the only friends my autistic ass made since there wasn't a single other girl in my course for a while. Though I do not regret distancing myself from her now. Sorry if I made any formatting mistakes.

No. 12449

A TIF I hate turned an actual mental illness into a 'gender' today. A debilitating mental illness that I suffer from. She doesn't. Neither does the person whose 'gender' she said it was.

Couldn't even use the right terminology despite getting on everyone else's case for any 'wrong' wording.

Despite crying about other people being every -ist under the sun for not using the 'right' pronouns, a lot of TRAs are real insensitive like that. Drives me crazy.

No. 12455

I'm a sperg so I felt very angry seeing people call themselves "autism-gender" online. I don't care if they're really autistic themselves or not, they still have no right to say that autists are a different gender and stripping us of our right to be seen as real women/men because of a mental disability. It's humiliating, evil and inaccurate.

No. 12456

>I know this was mentioned at one point in the tif or tim thread but what's stopping me from pretending to be a tif just to get paid a fortune for supposed 'gender affirming surgeries'? Do you need to show proof you used the money for the surgery?
We should all do this tbh, I don't think any proof is required kek

No. 12457

>A fear I had was coming into secondary contact with her T gel.
Abso-fucking-lutely do not go anywhere near tifs who take T-gel nonas, especially if you're pregnant. It spreads from skin contact for many hours afterwards (whole day basically) and it spreads through clothes as well. It can cause you to have a miscarriage just from unknowingly sitting next to them on a bus or train. If it gets on you and then you in turn hug a child, congrats that child has it on them too now and may start puberty at age 4. Terrifying.

No. 12466

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I don't want to spam the main mtf thread with old news and I don't know where else to post, but I just again remembered how a semi-famous jrock wannabe (who's been rumoured to be a tif but I've never seen any real evidence) from my country loudly defended troons on twitter saying no one can tell any difference and that he dated/slept with a mtf as a teen without knowing they were trans.
I did the math on it and there is no way that 10+ years ago which was before the trans train started a minor here would have been approved for bottom surgery and breast implants, actually had the surgery and healed for years to the degree that another person can't tell and somehow nobody knew about it. I highly doubt parents here would secretly have taken their 14-15 old son to like Thailand to have his dick inverted back then either. Assuming this wannbe jrock guy isn't just lying and actually believe in what he says… that means he dated some cringe scene nlog who told him she was born as a boy and this guy was stupid enough to buy it and still hasn't figured it out to this day. This guy is known for being an asshole so the thought of it is hilarious to me.

No. 12468

God I want to fucking rant about one of his old buds that now has been featured as a drag queen on our country’s version of drag race. He recently made an Instagram post about how he believes he might be trans while wearing an outfit so fetishy to “represent his feelings” even most unhinged troons would tell him to dial it back. But he’s addicted to attention, is known to have posted himself on 4chan several times and probably is the one behind the two extremely dead topics about him here on lolcow so I don’t wanna write his name or post his image because he 100% googles himself on a daily basis.
If you know who Seike is then you probably know of this guy.

No. 12471

Please do rant nona, I haven't been actively following seike I just know him from when I was baby weeb and stumbling across him again a decade later

No. 12481

>meet cool woman who shares some of my hobbies
>we add each other on social media
>she's a they/them
Goddamn, every time. I guess I need more hobbies that involve going outside.

No. 12488

Not sure where else to scream about this but I fucking hate the fact that we have all of these legitimate reasons to dislike TRAs, and conservative fucktards overshadow it. I hate that they’re the ones most likely to get anything done, because we can’t ignore that they’re the party of homophobes and retarded religious zealots. It shouldn’t be about hating trannies because they’re faggy or gnc! There are so many valid reasons they don’t acknowledge because it would show solidarity with women or LGB. Sometimes I read tweets from someone from pragerU or TPUSA that I half agree with but they just take it too far in some shitty moid direction. It’s honestly embarrassing to agree with them at all

I saw one of the hottest girls of my life on a mutual’s ig last night and I was feeling hopeful bc I saw people referring to her as “she/her”… I clicked her profile and it said “they/she”. Womp womp.

No. 12493

I invite everyone to rank pronouns after how annoying the people who have them in their bio are, here's mine (from least to most annoying):
>she/her (female)
>he/him (male, yes this one is slightly worse than she/her females)
>she/her, he/him (cross-sex)
>she/he/they/them (any combo)
>basic neo pronouns like xe/xim
>extra special neo pronouns like jabba/thehuttself

No. 12494

i wish i could go back to when i didn’t know all this stuff about trannies. i think about it too much these days and it’s been making me so depressed. how do you all keep yourselves from getting consumed by this / stop yourself from doom scrolling? also it’s been nice to learn more about feminism and i started following more redfem tumblrs but man do all the screen caps of moids happily talking about raping/murdering women make me want to kms to escape this hell world. i’m so weak

No. 12495

Absolutely with you on this. It's so insane how absolutely twisted this has gotten eveyone, they abandon all common sense but just for this one single issue. You'll have normally intelligent people who understand that we live in a society where men oppress and harm women to different degrees depending on culture, that women therefor need and have a right to our own spaces, that men would harrass women more if we didn't have those spaces and that men absolutely do try to break the rules to go into those spaces - but a pornsick man convicted of sexual assault puts on a dress and calls himself trans and suddenly he's completely innocent and would never have any kind of ulterior intention whatsoever. Like what the fuck, where did your braincells go?

No. 12496

Nona my dear, you are not weak for having negative reactions to seeing awful things! But you have to force yourself to step away from the doom scrolling and you have to actively engage with things that make you happy. Go out in nature, play some games, eat some tasty snacks, watch shows you like, talk to friends about happy things, create art of your choice. On the trans topic specifically it always makes me feel better to watch interviews with detrans people, it allows me to hear about the bad things but through a more hopeful lens of someone having beaten it and who are now instead fighting against it. That way I can scratch the itch of interacting with the topic but I mostly only see people who are hopeful, supportive and are spreading the right message so I don't end up feeling hopeless. Good luck nona, I hope you feel better soon.

No. 12498

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what a surprise moid treating being female as a fetish gets his balls removed and no longer wants to be female
however could he have known.

No. 12499

I know is an old post but I wouldn't be surprised if other users link him news about tim rapists and he always answered "oh he's not a real trans woman, he doesn't count".

No. 12500

Hi nona idk if this is your pic but just in case, we can say any words here without censorship so you don’t have to scribble over any “bad” words! If this isn’t your edit carry on and also kek at the man’s misfortune

No. 12501

look at the filename it's from Instagram

No. 12505

Aren't you supposed to be effectively chemically castrated by androgen blockers even before they'll do surgery? That's something I've had trouble understanding - how do so many chemically castrated guys keep being coomers until the balls are gone?

No. 12507

Men are very sexually motivated creatures. He is mourning the loss of his only means of obtaining a serotonin rush. His whole entire life is dedicated to his own sexual gratification. He likely has no hobbies, no friends, no nothing, only cooming. Now has a gaping void in between his legs to match the gaping void in his life of nothingness. He will likely kermit.

No. 12511

YEAH. Same here. It wasn't even that one that she used though, I would've been pissed off enough if she had but she had to say 'manic depression' was someone's gender… So, bipolar disorder. I am bipolar and it's hell on earth, not a 'gender' you can slap on for quirky aesthetic points. ESPECIALLY if you don't even HAVE it.

Sorry. I'm just still so pissed off.

No. 12519

They have convinced themselves this is the ultimate coom goal and they are sure it will happen exactly the way they think so even if they lose their libido for a little while they think it will be back once the achieve that ultimate coom goal. No sex drive just means they're now closer to being a slutty but passive fuck hole, which is what they think a real woman is like. Except they were wrong about literally everything and now can't coom anymore for the rest of their lives, oops!

No. 12553

Girls really are putting on the most colorful wacky makeup in a manner very (stereo)typical of creative girls only to then claim they're NOT a girl, but actually non-binary which means they are completely different, don't have a female body at all, don't have a female experience, if a guy likes them their sexuality must be bi/pan because it's not straight at all to like an enby. You just don't understand how totally different they are! A cis person can't possibly understand how special only they/them feel! It's so incredibly embarrassing to watch these narcissists wanting to be praised for thinking they are special.

Yes this post was made in reaction to an Izzzyzzz video getting on my recommended youtube feed.

No. 12554

nonas, i’m sitting through one of my first days of lecture in Women’s studies (explaining definitions of feminism) the first slide on the PowerPoint only had the troon pride flag and text. Nothing else. I think I’m in Handmaiden 101

No. 12560

So fucking glad i finished college long before all this. God speed nona

No. 12563

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>The UK's first-ever Intersex trains
….wtf? nonas please help me understand what the fuck is going on. has anyone seen 'SOGIESC' used before? or 'intersex' being used as an "umbrella term" in this way?

No. 12564

that is so so bleak. the first thing you have to address in women's studies is… men.

No. 12565

in one of my classes on latin, the prof was talking about the rules of the english language (just to get us started). she made a snarky comment about pronouns, saying that "people who say pronouns don't exist or aren't a thing or don't believe in them, don't realize that 'me' and 'i' and 'myself' are pronouns." on the slide she had shit like xe/xir as an example of a pronoun. fucking bleak. obviously when someone says they dont believe in pronouns, theyre referring to troon ideology where troons think they can dictate what pronouns people refer to them by, or that men calling themselves "she/her" are true and honest women. you cannot force people to change their language.

No. 12570

Nope. All of this language is specific to the intersex person who designed the flag and most TRAs don’t care about intersex people. I honestly don’t know what to call Valentino bc it looks like a dude but has she/they on their twitter?? Anyway it will be interesting to see if trannies start using this flag or ignore it. It’s already pissing off LGB people as the rainbow portion gets covered with more shit.

No. 12578

To keep your sanity in a situation like that I would take notes of what she says and then actively disprove the lies with properly sourced neutral science in private documents. Then I'd insert them in every assignment possible and throw it in the teacher's faces every time. If they complain I will double the sources and make sure I have ones both disproving theirs and ones proving the opposite and demand the teachers tell me in detail why the sources are incorrect.

No. 12579

The oppression olympics flag really is ugly on things. It's weird how they managed make a happy rainbow look bad.
Intersex does NOT describe natural diversity in sex characteristics, that would mean every human is intersex because we are all naturally a bit different. Intersex and DSD refers to "differences/disorders in sex development", it's a medical condition that affects a very small number of people. It is "natural" for disorders to appear in people but it's misleading to say that they are natural. Just like how it's natural to die from getting shot, but it's not a natural death to die from getting shot.
What does it mean to be "intersex inclusive" and how is it different from being "gender inclusive", "sex inclusive" and "disability inclusive"? What makes a regular train not inclusive to intersex people? They are just tooting their own horn for painting an ugly pattern on a train for political reasons.

Sometimes I feel silly writing out the obvious like this, but I also feel it helps to actually formulate it into words and to get it out. And perhaps it helps people who haven't been able to formulate the thoughts on their own yet to read it idk.

No. 12584

One of my least favorite things about TIMs is when they talk about their "periods". I'm so tired of hearing that bullshit.

Earlier while I was chatting with some friends, a troon I know brought up how "Today [he] learned that trans-women can get their period!" and I instantly had to resist the urge to leave the call immediately. Someone else in the call asked him to elaborate on whether he meant the bleeding part or if it's just hormonal stuff and his response was "Oh, no, just hormonal. The bleeding is strictly biological but we can get like, mood-swings and bloating I guess."

I'm glad he at least didn't say that they experience period cramps but oh my god, the bleeding isn't the only biologically dependent symptom. ALL OF IT IS! Women who get hysterectomies can still experience period symptoms as long as their ovaries are still intact and functioning, which is something males will never, EVER have. Any "pms" symptoms trans-women experience is strictly a side-effect of an overdose of estrogen in a male body. They are not even close to being real menstrual symptoms as every menstrual symptom women experience is biology dependent. I'm going to voluntarily give myself a concussion.

No. 12587

>What makes a regular train not inclusive to intersex people?
meanwhile people with disabilities have to look at this shit and know that money could have been used to make trains more accessible instead

No. 12588

>What makes a regular train not inclusive to intersex people?
meanwhile people with disabilities have to look at this shit and know that money could have been used to make trains more accessible instead

No. 12589

You should have laughed at him saying menopausal women don't even get periods and they have all the right hormones and biology for it. If you can and dare, make sure to tell the other friends in private that it was both incorrect and rude of him to say that him being gassy is the same as a period in front of actual women who do get periods. They may have been holding their tongue or rolling their eyes as well so you could gain a terfy ally.
If they're handmaidens you can instead pretend to be concerned since if he's having "period" symptoms as a male it means something could be very wrong medically since he can't ever have anything even resembling a period because he doesn't have a uterus, not does his hormone intakes mimic that of a female cycle.

No. 12593

>we can get like, mood-swings and bloating I guess
Wow, so can moids who aren't on hormones and women who aren't currently menstruating. Almost as if these symptoms can be the result of many different things and the shedding uterine lining part is the only thing that actually makes it a period.

I don't get why troons think they have "cycles" in the first place when they take flat doses of hormones at regular intervals.

No. 12613

i actually considered this, but the assistant professor that teaches the in-person lectures is a woman who uses they/them pronouns. We also had an entire 10 minute section about “considering the implications of the questions we ask” It’s too late to gtfo unfortunately but I’m trying to see it as a sociological observation

No. 12616

this doesnt even make sense. we say "i just got my period" when we notice theres blood, we dont say "i got my period" if we get cramps or bloating or any other symptoms before the bleeding actually happens. i can tell im about to get my period because my body feels different, but its not actually my period yet until there's blood.

No. 12618

I would still take notes! You could use them to make a video or write a book from the inside perspective, it's a hot topic and will be for years to come so you could even earn money from exposing their ideology. I for one would love to hear the views of a student forced to endure it in silence when knowing it's wrong. The fact that the assistant is a they/them just makes it more spicy to read/hear about it.

No. 12619

The only "good" thing about it is that every woman and even most men know this, and even normie men can see why it pisses off women to hear a man say he has a period. It's one of the most peak-inducing thing troons can do (that isn't like directly violent)

No. 12620

>“considering the implications of the questions we ask”
this is fucking horrifying

No. 12626

Seconding this and recommending original nona to write a letter of complaint to whoever's in charge. If you have social media make it public too so they can't brush it under the rug. You don't even have to mention any troon stuff, just the fact that they want to stop you all from thinking critically and not ask questions is god awful and needs to be brought to attention.

No. 12627

Samefagging but what exactly is a question that has complications SO bad that asking them in a safe setting of a school where education and conversation takes place wouldn't be ok?
Surely even asking something controversial like "are gay people mentally ill" or such can be safely discussed to come to the conclusion that "no,they're not" or even "yes but that doesn't negatively impact anyone else and they still live happy lives so it barely even matters" if you're religious or something. I can't think of any question that is truly bad to ask, because all you need to do is to disprove/confirm it.
It seemingly ONLY benefits ideas they don't want you to question.

No. 12629

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I'm about to lose it nonnas. The female mathematical youtuber Vihart had all her pronouns changed to 'they' on Wikipedia. I thought it was some overzealous editor who misunderstood her video 'On Gender' where she talks about how she thought gender was dumb until she met trans people, and she was just trying to understand them. Turns out that she posted this zinger on Twitter. Even when I was in gender ideology, I would have thought this phrasing was disgusting and misogynistic. I really looked up to her as a woman in STEM and I hate that meeting people with ridiculous ideas on gender caused her to think that because she sees herself as a human being and a not a wOmAn that she is therefore not a woman. Fuck them, and fuck her for spreading this lie and not bothering to apply an ounce of critical thinking to this. Imagine if all the people who said "I don't really see myself as (race)" here just started claiming they didn't have a race because it wasn't the most important thing about them and everyone decided we needed a 'raceless' category. Same bullshit.

I'm so tired of this ideology that states that if a literal female human does not feel like a gay male performing a hyperfeminine ideal or a straight man who sexually fantasizes about turning himself into a woman, then actually she's not the woman and they are. I've seen so many tomboyish women claim they're not women because apparently the standard for womanhood is MtFs and Ariana Grande. If you are not bursting with joy at the idea of being a female all the time, apparently you're not a female. It's gotten to the point where I never see any young tomboyish women call themselves women anymore, they're all calling themselves non binary or genderqueer or agender. God fucking bless all the adult tomboy women who didn't give into this shit and just keep being themselves, because it's so lonely being a gnc nerdy woman. There used to be so many of them in the 2000s and now not only have a bunch of them just stopped calling themselves women, the ones I see now are identifying as non-binary or "trans men" from a very early age. Feels like the whole concept of the nerdy boyish woman is dead, and it's been replaced by the non-binary who is the same damn thing but with a sideshave.

No. 12630

I'm really into languages and linguistics which is an absolutely horrible field to be interested in if you don't want to read essays on the validity of bleep/blorpself pronouns in 3rd century mongolia. Seeing 15 year olds on twitter trying to make a gendered language neutral makes me laugh, seeing linguistics graduate students and researchers doing the same makes me cry. Where did we go wrong nonxies/nonxieselves?

No. 12631

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Linguistics is absolutely full of people obsessed with gender. But there are some people who don't obsess over this stuff and do good work. Debbie Cameron's blog actually talks in depth about why replacing 'woman' with 'menstruator' and 'pregnant people' isn't actually inclusive, but just makes it harder to see where discrimination against women is happening. Her posts are very thoughtful and you can share them with anyone, I don't think you can even call her transphobic. She has decades of both linguistic and feminist work. Picrel from https://debuk.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/the-amazing-disappearing-women/

No. 12633

samefag as >>12630 I didn't read everything before writing my response lol. Why is it always the people who study things with solid rules who want to change stuff the most and refuse to acknowledge actual questions or criticisms? It's disrespectful and puts incoming students at a disadvantage. They/thems are drawn to gendered languages like moths to flame I swear

No. 12638

I'll definitely read some of her work, it sounds really topical. And yeah, the gender obsession in linguistics is terrible. When I was in middle school I would read the wikipedia pages on the last known speakers of dead languages and cry. In the last hour of thinking about linguistics I ended up on a well respected journal's website reading an article by a they/them talking about the problem of trying to make italian gender neutral. It's legitimately depressing, I just want off this wild ride

No. 12641

She's literally saying a "woman" isn't a "person", ew. But 2014 was 9 years ago so she might have used her braincellls since then and stopped being a dumbass