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No. 378181
Not everyone can be beautiful, and for some, even "average" is out of reach. If that sounds like you, how are you coping in this looks-obsessed world?
I'm reviving this thread series since the last one has long since closed and I think it's a topic a lot of women could use a place to vent about.
Previous thread:
>>>/g/114320 No. 378264
>>378261I 100% relate to wearing whatever I want because I'm hideous anyways. I look put together, Im undesirable. I look messy, Im
gasp undesirable. Same difference. I do the bare minimum and nothing else.
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>>378181I have an incredibly long philtrum and no lips and a 6 head and I am completely hideous. Other unconventional traits individual people might still find attractive, like a big nose, or thick eyebrows, but absolutely no one is attracted to someone with an grandma-level upper lip. In school people would harass me by pretending to ask me out and then laughing in my face in a mob. I know that I will never find love because there is no woman on earth who could want to kiss my face. I feel like I’m living in a level removed from the world of others. I don’t make any friends because I can’t relate to normal people who have partners or go out clubbing. Their relationship woes and adventures just make my eyes glaze over. That sort of thing is not in my realm.
I used to think I could live with this for life, but after I feel for someone hard for the first time, I realized what I was missing and now I can’t fathom continuing to live much longer. Sometimes I find myself wishing the world would end so I wouldn’t have to kill myself and upset my family who loves me very much (unfortunately).
No. 378804
>>378700Aw
nonny, I'm pretty ugly too especially with my hooked large nostrils and I personally am much more attracted to uglier women because I feel like they're much more genuine to be around with. I know that there's a larger amount of people who are trusting of attractive people but non attractive WOMEN are the very best to me. You are very loved and inevitably everyone's looks will fade so there's no need to solely latch on to that idea. What's helped me was watching love on the spectrum kek to give me some fuel that both ugly and mentally impaired people can, so can I.
No. 382508
I know I was being extremely dramatic in
>>375519 but I've been thinking about the girl who recoiled from me every day since it happened. I've seen some ugly people and I've never had the urge to recoil from them, wtf.
No. 382905
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it's hard to accept that no one is ever going to be genuinely attracted to you, in the same way you would not be attracted to anyone who looked like you. The common advice is to "date your own level" but when you get to a certain point on the ugliness scale, it's kind of impossible to feel actual attraction to your ugliness-level peers. If I could just make myself be attracted to fellow ugly people I would, and it seems like a lot of people are able to do that, or else maybe they're just in cope relationships where there's no real attraction but at least they won't be lonely. I can't do that though.
When normal-looking people talk about how great it feels when you experience mutual attraction, it makes me want to tear my face off because I know that is a feeling I will never experience.
No. 383058
Am I the only one who for some reason always expects to see myself differently THIS time I look in the mirror? Logically I know I’m ugly, I’ve been told my whole life, and I can clearly see it too, but for some reason I still stare at myself in the mirror hoping to see myself as at least average, maybe from this angle, maybe if I think about this feature differently, maybe if I squint, etc. Of course no matter how many times I stare at myself in the mirror I will never magically turn out to have been average all along. So why do I keep doing it?
Tangent, but I would take any other ugly feature over the one I have. You can work with most ugly features, or there may be someone who likes that feature, but not with the one I have. It’s universally considered ugly, it’s how all old or ugly characters are drawn. It’s a characteristic of the elderly— and I’m already ugly enough as a young person, I am scared to death of his this feature will inevitably get worse and worse over time.
I wish I had never woken up to the harm of the plastic surgery industry as a teen— if I hadn’t, I would have gotten plastic surgery by now and been so much happier, a totally different person.
No. 383107
>>383099Is it because it would give you too much teeth/gum show? Tbh I wish that was the case for me so I didn’t have to agonize over this— I’m actually a perfect candidate since I have no teeth show right now. But I just can’t bring myself to do it because I’d feel like such a vain hypocrite, I’m always preaching about how evil the plastic surgery industry is, I can’t just ignore or go back on that. It just sucks so much because I know it would completely fix my appearance. That, and it would feel fake to me, like anyone who became attracted to me would never have been attracted to my natural real self, which feels fucking awful.
The other reason stopping me is the fact my mom has the same feature and would take serious offense if I got it fixed. But the thing is it doesn’t look as bad on her due to her nice nose, mine is upturned an only makes it look worse and more animalistic. If you have what I have then I’m sorry. It’s really the worst, no redeeming qualities at all.
No. 383158
Hurts extra bad because I actually had a taste of beauty before, but I didn’t appreciate it. I used to be a beautiful teenager with zero effort. I had clear skin despite not showering often, I was thin despite eating junk, my hair was short in a tomboyish way. I wasn’t even taking advantage of this beauty, I was seen as “mysterious” when in reality, I was a socially anxious mess who only dressed in baggy clothes and hoodies. I turned 22, and it all went bad. My face got super bloated, my metabolism slowed down, and my hormones started giving me acne, stretch marks, and joules. I gained weight because I was used to eating whatever and nothing happening, but my fat distribution is weird, I don’t have fat arms or legs, my chest and butt are small, but I’m getting a belly that sticks out, my proportions are terrible. I’m currently trying to reverse the effects of my years of bodily destruction, but it’s harder than I thought it’d be. I’m waiting for my hair to grow out, so my joules are better hidden. I have a skin care routine, and I’m losing weight, but I used to be in the 110 pound range, and I’m currently in the 150 range. This is an improvement though, 4 months ago I was 170
No. 383439
>>382508I understand how you feel anon. It’s the worst when people have to make you aware of how repulsive looking you are. I’ve told this story before, but when I was a senior high school two freshman cheerleaders came up to me out of nowhere to tell me “we just wanted to tell you that you’re really pretty” and it was the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to me. Everyone sitting near me looked down at their desks trying not to cringe. The girls were probably too young to see how they came across and why that was not a good idea to do, they were just earnestly trying to take pity on me, which is the worst feeling ever to know that you’re not just a little unfortunate looking, but
so outstandingly ugly that random people you’ve never even talked to pity you to the point of going out of their way to try to comfort you. A part of my soul died that day even though it’s been almost a decade.
No. 383456
I used to not care about being ugly because I decided I didn’t want a boyfriend, and when I realized that, all my insecurities from my teenage years melted away and I was pretty happy. But for some reason, I had a really late bisexual awakening, and the futile desire to date women I have crushes on has yanked my self esteem all the way back down to the depths of my high school years.
Suddenly I’m thinking all the time about things I was sure I’d never think about again, like plastic surgery and even makeup (even though the latter makes no sense for my style, I try to come across as gnc), and it feels so pathetic and horrible to be back here, especially because neither of those things would even help me, I’m unfixably ugly due to my bone structure and feature placement. Feels so, so bad. I thought I was over this. I’m ashamed of myself and mourning the romantic life I could have had if I had been born with a different face. Because it’s like, men are shit so I don’t care and it never felt like a loss, but this feels like a loss. However nonsensical that might be.
My life would be so much better if I never had that awakening. It’s caused me so much suffering, when before I was getting by okay. Now I’m suicidally depressed like I haven’t been in years. Life just keeps throwing me curveballs that hit me right in the stomach.
No. 383605
>>383182Untrue lol I know I'm ugly because I have an actual jaw deformity noticably offsetting my jaw and jutting it out that I've been told by multiple orthos to get surgical treatment for and I have shit skin but I've never been told to my face that I'm ugly. You can be ugly and lucky enough that people aren't overt assholes about it.
>>383514Mood.
No. 383608
>>383456I’m bi but I feel like impressing and dating women is really hard. I date men simply because it’s easier.
Most moids don’t care if you’re a loser or kinda ugly they’ll just take anything they can get. Women have higher standards for a partner (and rightly so) I feel like I don’t meet their standards at all. I remember going on a date with a very high flying career woman power lesbian type and as soon as she found out I wasn’t earning over 100K a year she just left the date because she wasn’t interested in someone not on her level.
No. 383721
>>383699Both my parents are shilled as beautiful. They don't even try. My mom, for most of her life, didn't even use conditioner on her hair. She would just shampoo and let her hair airdry. It would form the most beautiful curls at the end with no frizz. She never used makeup, and all she did was moisturize, and that's it. People commented on how pretty she was all the time. Meanwhile, not only I look ugly, I barely look like them. I know I'm their daughter, but I kid you not, I thought my mom cheated on my dad because I have a nose that nobody in the family has. I can see I'm a mixture of them, but a mixture in the sense that someone put them in a blender and added some abhorrent slime with it, and it resulted in me. My family knows I'm ugly and tries so hard to make me feel better by saying shit like, "At least you got hazel eyes!". As if hazel eyes would fix the vile bone structure of my face kek. I honestly coped by seeing how fucked up in the head they are. Being beautiful didn't shield my parents from bad things, neither did it help them achieve the important stuff they have. They still cheated on each other with way uglier people too. It sucks being ugly, but being beautiful doesn't guarantee as much I thought it did.
No. 383726
>>383608It's weird, I have the totally opposite experience. People always say dating men is easier but men have always picked apart my looks and most of my bullying came from men. I've been rejected and ignored by them completely. Women seem to like me though, and while relationships never worked out I never felt like it was my appearance that was the issue. This would make more sense if I were butch but I'm actually pretty femme, I think. Maybe that's what angers men? idk
>>383699I moved away from my family and try to avoid them as much as possible. There are other reasons for doing so but this is an added benefit. Sorry, that's probably not terribly helpful. Are they cruel to you about it?
No. 383790
>>383727ayrt, that’s so rough. My younger brother (21) isn’t super handsome or anything, but he looks normal and is decently attractive. I feel really lucky he’s too lazy and mentally ill to have had a girlfriend yet. He went on a date once in high school and I internally seethed so hard, and was glad when it didn’t turn into anything. I know that makes me a terrible person. But when he gets his first girlfriend I’m going to be despondent. Because he’s such a piece of shit (lazy, messy, ungrateful, egotistical) compared to me (not that I’m an amazing person, but at least I function and groom myself) so it will prove that looks really are everything. And it will also sting watching my parents be happy for him, see the relief on their faces that at least one of their children was good enough to find a mate. They don’t ask me or talk to me about dating at all, probably because even they can see that I’m way too ugly to have any success. In turn, I act like I’m not interested in dating because to admit otherwise would be even more humiliating.
>>383726I don’t want to move away from my family, they’re very nice to me actually, and are the only people I can socialize with since I lost touch with all my friends. Which makes me feel more pathetic, no partner, no friends, no admirers, no social life— just an ugly 25 year old woman paying her parents rent to live in their house like a failure of a child. When I look at my situation objectively it fuels my suicide plans. My birthday is coming up and I will be 26, the age my mom was when she had me, still living like this, with no achievements, career, social, or romantic, to my name. I will feel terrible doing that to my parents, but it’s clear that I am not meant to exist and it’s excruciating to live as a genetic and social anomaly and feel the judge mental eyes of society and extended family.
No. 385256
I was feeling pretty confident in myself at work today, walking with confident strides, and then I went into the restroom and caught sight of myself in the mirror and I deflated like a balloon. I look so fucking ridiculous, when I’m walking around all confident it’s like my subconscious tricks itself into thinking I’m normal looking even though in reality I’m extremely abnormal looking. I’ve always wondered why it seems like no matter what I wear, my clothes always look “off” on me in a way they wouldn’t on anyone else, like I’m a developmentally disabled adult prancing around in a costume of a normal person, and I realized that it’s got to be mostly due to my face, i don’t know how, but it’s like it gives an air of incompetence to the rest of my body just by being connected to it. I feel like an awkward clown, and I’ve tried so hard for so long to “fix” my impression with fashionable clothes and a haircut that suits me (as well as any haircut can, so it’s a low bar) but I think it’s actually impossible. My face and head will always throw everything off. It’s incompatible with the impression of a put-together adult woman, no matter what I wear. What do I even do? Is there seriously nothing I can do to not have a freaky retard impression?
Why did I have to be born with this skull and face?
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I find it really difficult to try to stay happy when I know I'm one of those people that others see and think
>"oh wow, poor thing. I'm so glad I'm not as ugly as her. Things could be worse."
Because everywhere you go, that is people's first gut-level reaction to you. How are you supposed to cope with that knowledge? That you can never go anywhere without immediate negative or pitying judgement from anyone who sees you? This is a heavy emotional weight that average-looking people just don't understand when they tell you
>it doesn't matter how you look, all it takes is some confidence!
No matter how confident I act, this will always be my reality.
No. 385385
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Was anyone else not a horrifically ugly child, but then puberty hit and your face changed beyond recognition? I wasn’t always as ugly as I am now, it started around middle school when I hit puberty. My face got too long, my fat distribution got fucked up, and my nose almost completely changed shape. I’ve been compared to Fuchi from Junji Ito’s universe, but without her height and bad fat distribution. It’s over for me.
No. 386566
I look so troonish, like the euphoria fag. I also have the height, so I'm scared of people thinking I'm a moid.
I wish I was short and cute so badly, I'm unironically the "old white girl seething about pretty idols" header.
>>386558Sometimes I want to yell at them, when they talk about their relatives/friends' kids and their relationships too much (vs me who obviously can't find a partner). But my parents aren't really ugly, I somehow just got all their negative traits combined.
It's insane just how important being attractive is, it's not just about finding a partner, studies show that even babies are already treated according to their looks.
I also remember being kindergarten age and some old relatives praising how pretty a cousin of mine had gotten. When they caught me looking at them they quickly added "You too, anon" but even back then at that young age I immediately understood that this was a lie.
I don't know how to cope, I basically just daydream about being a gorgeous celebrity 24/7.
On top of that very recently I suddenly aged so quickly, it's like my terrible lifestyle caught up with me overnight. So now I can't even cope about at least being young anymore…
No. 386685
>>386615Male friend told me I'm average or slightly above average compared to the rest of the people of my country since incest and malnutrition runs rampant in it, but I think he's just being nice. While my female friends do the gaslighting thing and say shit like "love yourself", they're no lookers themselves and they're nice so I let it slide. The only pretty one also told me the same thing. I wish they'd just be honest with me.
On the topic of looks, I looked at my old ID picture from when I was 16 and weighed 36 kgs (I was ill at the time), and I looked HORRIBLE in that, then I looked at my most recent ID picture where I weighed 42 kgs and I'm 21 in, and I still had some things off but looked better face shape wise with more developed bone structure and less skin issues. Still look messed up though and it makes me sad. And I'm still ill and stressed out with imbalanced hormones, so I'll probably never escape this hell.
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>>385400Who? Why do I get the feeling it’s Wagner?
Did you look like Wagner nonna?
No. 386703
>>38668542kg is still too low. I was severely thin too and i looked much uglier back then than I do now. When I gained weight to the point I'm healthy I kept getting compliments on my hair, face and figure which all got better once I stopped being sick.
I was never anorexic but I always ate little, i had to force myself to gain weight but i dont regret it.
No. 386707
>>386689Honestly I wish it was him, I could be salvageable.
I once did that AI face thing that finds your celebrity lookalikes, and all my top results were 55+ year old ugly scrotes. I am really that ugly. I’ve never even once been complimented on any aspect of my appearance, and people go out of their way to let me know I’m ugly. People who cry about being average and not supermodel level attractive make me furious, they are so incredibly lucky and yet they have the nerve to complain about it? I would do anything to be average.
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>>386710No, it was accurate. One of the results was even the same scrote I was compared to as a baby.
I literally feel ridiculous sometimes just walking around with my face. It’s like I’m wearing a cheap Halloween mask that would be inappropriate to wear in most settings, except it’s my actual face so I can’t take it off. It feels like a joke to do my hair and wear professional clothes when in the center of it all is a ridiculous face
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>>386719like this guy. you obviously can't look this flamboyant in everyday life, but honestly them not having the most attractive face out there only adds to their look and has way more street cred in a sense compared to prettier people.
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>>386721or here, the dreaded hook nose that everyone wants to rhinoplasty away becomes part of the aristocratic vampire look. it elevates her style. it doesn't necessarily have to be gothic style, it is a fashion that isn't convenient for every day life, but some unique style where no one could say that hey you have to look like all those influencer babes on the internet because looking like them isn't even the point in the end if you dress freaky.
No. 386727
>>386721I do get what you’re saying, but I’ve really got the face of a wild pig, chimpanzee, and German grandpa combined kek, that guy is a top super model compared to me. When you have a very long distance between your snub nose and thin upper lip + no cheekbones, just flab at the bottom of your face, heavy caveman brow, and small weird eyes, there’s just not anything that can salvage that and I’d prefer to just blend in clothes-wise so that less people go out of their way to look at me. If I could dress how I really wanted, I’d go for a 60s or 70s look, but it’s too hard to find items for it.
No. 388323
>>388315You're not ugly. If you're ugly, people let you know. A car of teenage boys stopped next to my car at a red light and when I turned to look at them they all started laughing and yelling about how ugly I was. The week before, someone told me I look much better with a mask on. I was bullied growing up for being ugly. People would pretend to ask me out as a joke and then laugh in my face. If you are actually ugly, you don't have to wonder.
You are average. Be grateful.
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>>388536If you're never hit on, consistently ignored, and people use your appearance first when insulting you, you're ugly. If you've never experienced this in your life then you're most likely normal. 8-9? Give me a break lol
No. 394643
>>394622Honestly, being ugly does have it perks. I don't really shave my body either, but at the same time i hate super hairy men and i don't feel a shred of guilt about it. I know this is a controversial take, but i do credit my ugly looks for saving me from getting harassed by men. Imo, if you are truly gross, men really leave you alone and most of the women who say otherwise are at least average looking enough to be palatable to moids. Even though in theory i should cake my acne scar ridden face with makeup, i rarely ever wear it because it's pointless to make myself uncomfortable to please anyone. I also see putting makeup on as putting glitter over shit, i don't see how it's really changing my face, if anything it's making my situation worse by clogging my pores. I don't really pluck my eyebrows or make an effort to dress nice or at least in a way that's palettable. I feel like this is the kind of idgaf energy can only arise if you were born ugly. It does makes me depressed sometimes when all i have phases where all i want to do is fit in, don't get me wrong, but if i was more attractive then i would have to worry about aging or losing my looks. I have no looks to lose, i'm already as bad as it gets.
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>>39467799% of males are hideous so there's not much difference between what a 6/10 and a 3/10 will pull. There are too many gorgeous women so the majority of them will have to date males WAY under their league. Not even beauty can save you. Males are never truly disgusted by women because their whole purpose is to chase us and settle with any woman who will take them. All of the looks-shaming is for show. You could approach a 10/10 and he'd still fuck you if he's horny enough. It's all about timing. Unless you've got supermodel looks we're all stuck in the same hell hole. And even then you'd probably be getting raped by Harvey Weinstein. You should prioritize your education as having a high income will permit you to date wealthy moids and hire gorgeous whores. Or you could pay for your ugly scrotes' plastic surgery. Usually rich people only marry other rich people and looks don't matter too much. At the end of the day, uglies win. Men have liberated themselves from beauty standards by collectively being hideous and doing nothing to fix it. Life is unfair, one can only accept it or kill herself. Acceptance doesn't mean awaiting your demise like a sacrificial lamb, it means doing whatever it takes to achieve your goal. It's a fighter mindset. It's not the 1800s anymore and you're not being sold to the highest bidder. Believe it or not, you're still more beautiful than any given male. Women have neoteny and males don't. Our futures are inherently loveable and God's light shines through our eyes. Think about it like this, an "ugly" cat can still be cute. Because it's a kitty cat! This is also true of "ugly" women. Don't see yourself through the eyes of someone else. Look into the mirror and see this:
No. 401494
>>401491Your anger is
valid nona. The world is horribly cruel and dehumanizing to unattractive women.
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I often wish to get in some accident that slightly disfigures my face so that I have a “good reason” to be as ugly as I am. So that people might feel a bit of compassion towards me because the ugliness won’t be my natural fault anymore, and instead just bad luck, or a sign of strength to overcome. Does anyone know what I mean?
No. 401586
>>401582Same, I have some pretty unattractive friends, because misery loves company, but I am used to their faces and enjoy them. I once worked with a very unattractive woman that looked slightly like one of my friends and I felt automatic warmth towards her because of that association.
That said maybe that's the uggo in me talking kek. My ugliness tolerance is quite high. I feel like average/attractive people have a very low tolerance for ugliness and have the automatic disdain for them. Look at how many anons here seethe about women in videos games becoming uglier, the same way moids do. And the same who think conventional looking Chad men belong in ugly man psy op.
No. 401587
>>401582I mean… not really. I guess I "got used to" the faces of some people though. It reminds me, I had a lot of ugly friends in high school– for some reason we were all ugly, and even they all decided I was the ugliest of all of them. That was saying something. To be the ugliest one in a group of uglies, to the point that even
they tell you you're unsalvageable.
I didn't quite realize just how ugly I was until that moment. I knew I wasn't pretty, but I had no idea I was hideous. I even delusionally thought I was better looking than a couple of them, just on the logic that they were basically as ugly as you could get, so nothing could be underneath them. Hearing them get rated much higher over me was a harsh awakening.
No. 401636
>>401632I'm like this when constipated for too long
One side starts drooping
No. 401718
I hate when my parents do the “oh anon you’re such a cute girl, you’re very cute” thing if they sense my self esteem is low because it is so pathetic to be lied to like that. Or maybe they’re blind to reality because they made me. But I never want to kill myself more than when I, at 25 years old without a single person ever being interested in me or even received a single compliment, is obviously ugly and suffering because of it, everybody knows it, everybody sees it, many people say it, has to sit there and listen to my parents, AS A GROWN ADULT, try to make me believe I am not ugly, like they expect that I’m a child who will take “who’s mama’s prettiest girl????” cooing at face value. It’s just humiliating. So fucking humiliating.
No. 401862
>>378191lol I’ve been wearing a mask at my job everyday for 2 years now and nobody knows how horrific my actual face looks
It’s just a grocery store so it’s whatever, I still see some customers wearing masks.
No. 401866
>>401862kek, I've had multiple people tell me I look much better in a mask.
>>401864LMFAO me the other day in DSW looking in the full-body mirror trying to see if I could look cool in men's dress shoes. The answer is no. But to be fair the answer is no nomatter what I'm wearing so I'm still going to get the shoes.
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>>401839What? That's not true at all. Mirrors
are a reflection of you in real life, just flipped. If you want to see what you look like for real, get a true mirror. Cameras distort your features and aren't reliable measures of beauty.
No. 401978
>>401944People like mirror selfies because they’re used to seeing mirrored reflections of themselves. To another person you look the same in the mirror and irl, they can’t tell the difference. Thinking mirrors make you prettier or uglier is wrong, they only make
you think that way because only you look at your face so often. In reality, you look how you do in the mirror, but if you saw your true reflection you’d still think you’re hideous even if you think your mirror image is nice. But it’s just you, other people can’t see the difference.
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>>401845Is your bf into whos
No. 402512
>>402496It depends who's saying that. If it's someone I care about I'll reply with something nice. I don't think it's pointless, people are insecure and tend to need support even in obvious issues. My pretty friend "feels" ugly sometimes and I'll reassure her, because she's a genuinely good person and friend. As for people I don't care about I'll just change the topic or comment on something else. Idk what they expect me to say and I certainly don't feel like discussing appearances with strangers or people I don't like.
I also don't have pictures of myself. The ones I do are out of obligation. I tend to take pictures of things or the location for memories. They won't make me depressed to look at and I'll still have the memory from that moment.
No. 402909
I had my haircut almost perfect, there was just a bit I needed someone to get in the back, so I asked my mom to just take off the tiniest bit…. Anons she created a straight up shelf halfway up my head. The only way to fix it was to do a really close shave up to the bump of my skull in the back. I tried to fade it but I’m not a barber. Of course then the front had to change to match. I decided on really short fringe in the front and I actually did a great job and I love the style, just… not on me. I have a long bulldog face with no strong mid face bone structure, and without more hair framing my face, it really highlights my ugliness front and center. I know I don’t have the face type to pull off this hair cut, and it’s so frustrating that when i go out, other people will also be thinking that. Of course the hair will grow out, but it just sucks. I wish I had a normal looking face. I don’t have a single attractive facial feature to comfort myself with. Not my eyes, not my lips, not my cheeks, not my eyebrows, nothing— the best it gets is “boring and homely”, and most of my features don’t even achieve that.
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>>402909Picrel, it’s this, but imagine it on an woman with a face like a deep sea blobfish stretched over the skull of an inbred Hapsburg.
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how can i cope with the fact i'll never have a skinny face? im bmi 17 and i feel like absolute shit seeing fat retards with a skinnier face than me. i've tried doing jaw exercises and massages but nothing works. even at my lowest weight at bmi 15.6 my face was fat as fuck fml.
No. 404762
>>404721The average fashionfag is ugly, anon. "Ugly" women in cute clothes are everywhere if you go outside, no one is going to notice you.
Unshaven women do get shit sometimes, that's just the time that we live in, but again most people have their own lives to deal with. And you can just cover up anyway if it bothers you that much.
No. 404817
>>404762Exactly that, they look goofy in the fashion they like to wear because they're ugly. Hot people look cool in those same exact outfits because they're hot. I don't want to look stupid and dumpy in the cool fashion I like, I want to look hot and captivating. I don't mind showing my body hair despite how thick it is, I just don't want to get annoying comments and looks about it.
>>404806That's so brutal, I'm so sorry you got told that. I never upload pictures of myself online because of this. I look like an unwashed grandma who's trying to fit with the youngesters, but I'm just 22. I just look way too old and a bit manly, and look like I'm dirty 24/7 no matter how clean I am because it's the nature of my weird skin, and probably caused by all the health issues I have out of my control, and my genetics. Which all add to the soul crushing experience of being ugly. I would've had potential if it wasn't for certain factors, but those factors beem there for too long to reverse the damage now. Might actually kill myself over this. On a related tangent, I also avoid taking selfies at all because of this, and hide my face with my big phone whenever I want to take a picture of an outfit. All the tips on how to take a nice picture don't work with me because I'm that unphotogenic. The only "good angle" I have is impossible to capture and I only did capture it once, but my nose looks way bigger than it actually is in that picture, it's so frustrating. My lookd are so jumbled and weird that I forget what I look like sometimes and decided to pretend it's whatever I think I do look like in my head, until a mirror or camera shatters that illusion. I especially hate when I hang out with my friends and they take pics and videos of us together and I just look so off compared to them all. Sorry for the rant kek.
No. 405667
I hate my face so much. I literally have no good features. Most people, even the ugliest people, have at least one or two attractive features, like long eyelashes, nicely shaped lips, nice eye color, silky hair, nice skin etc. Somehow I got the ugliest genetics for every single feature possible. Ugly dull eye color, ugly eye shape, ugly thin shapeless lips, ugly chin, ugly huge crooked nose, bad skin, ugly frizzy hair, etc etc. Not only that but I have an uglybod, am mentally ill and also have a bunch of autoimmune conditions so I can’t even say ‘at least my body/health/brain is good’
No. 405687
>>405667it hurts true. practice gratitude, remember you're no objective whatsoever, you definitely DO have features others covet, things you completely take for granted and will continue to it happens to you, like get a persistent fungal skin infection and then you'll be looking back at old pictures thinking if only i appreciated what i had. this is the tune everyone sings eventually, so it is nice to begin restructuring your inner negative critic into a voice that has a habit of practicing gratitude. practice joy and whimsey nona, and be grateful you were forced to develop a personality outside of your looks and haven't been plagued with sociopathic moids your whole life wanting to get their dick wet and lying the entire time about how they view you as a person.
also nona, i have autoimmune issues and it affects my skin. the months i stick to cutting out all inflammatory things from my diet (research aip) and sleeping well my skin is transformed and i get a massive confidence boost (that is to say i feel less repulsive and more normal). maybe look into it, do you have sensitivity to gluten, dairy, soy, etc? it can be empowering for me when i manage to dedicate myself to healthy eating and sleep, anyone ugly who lives well still has a glow that is attractive to people subconsciously on a biological level (and my nose shrinks which really rebalances a person's face) (trying to say here that i'm sorry you're feeling horrible about your face, i relate, either practice gratitude and get over it, or commit to living a healthy lifestyle that will inevitably improve your looks a bit)
No. 405719
>>404806I'm so sorry that happened to you anon. With all the troon pandering happening nowadays I feel as though if you're a slightly masc woman you're just fucked. These people try to be "inclusive" but they're just insulting us.
I'm also manly in the face, deep voice, ungainly posture, narrow hips and broad shoulders etc and I'm terrified of being clocked as one. I don't like dressing feminine because lipstick on a pig so I dress andro and plain by default but I fear that just makes me more like a man. I'm too afraid to have long hair because instead of a woman I just look like a troon or Slash.
No. 411250
>>378181no cope and no judgement, but I actually enjoy being ugly. Although I admit that if I weren't so anti social, I might not feel the same way.
For those of you who hate being ugly, would you really want to be attractive if it meant that you would be sexualized and harassed by moids?
No. 417640
I seriously hate being ugly, the least I interact with people, the better I feel about myself, but once I go out and interact with people outside my very small trusted circle, I spiral back to feeling miserable because I'm hideous.
I have only 1 friend who has genuinely told me that I look pretty and I cling to her desperately because I think she's so pretty.
I have a really retarded body because I'm fat, which makes my face look like shit because I'm not a cute fat girl, I'm a hideous fat woman with a permanent double chin because of my retarded chin that I seriously want to get fixed, with a droopy nose because as a kid I had lots of issues with allergies, so I would constantly just push it down (I didn't pick my nose, I thought that was gross and nasty even back then) which makes my nose look like a weird beak, my eyes are clearly asymmetrical, and it shows clearly on pictures, specially pictures taken by others, I have scars all over my legs from skin picking and now I even have lots of cellulite.
No matter how much I workout and diet I never stick to it because I just feel miserable whenever I have my period, I get sick monthly and it makes me lose any sort of motivation I could have mustered up to workout.
I look like shit in any outfit because being skinny is probably the only way for me to look decent, so it's like I'm always dressing a pig with silk, but in this case I'm the pig, the worst part is that pigs can look cute, I can't.
I've always been told that in hideous by anyone who is my age, younger or older, specially from anyone from my country, it's like they consider me a lesser being for daring to exist and not look pretty.
My hair isn't long enough to be considered special or pretty, it's just right at bra strap length, but if I cut it I look even more obese than with my long hair.
The worst part is that I look myself in the mirror or using my phone camera, and I don't think I'm ugly enough to be hated this much, specially by moids, but everyone except my one friend and my family keeps assuring me that in really fucking hideous.
I just wish I could just always stay locked in my house, not interacting with anyone but my family and my friend, living happily in delusion land so I don't have to feel this shitty.
And yeah, I don't use social media other than pinterest for art references which yeah, makes me wish I was at least skinny, and WhatsApp to talk with my family, that's it. I never even check stories and shit because I know I will just feel like shit.
I really hate being ugly, I know, I know that being pretty isn't any better but hell, I would like to have pretty people problems sometimes too, instead of feeling like anywhere I go, everyone looks at me with disgust, disdain, anger and pity.
No. 417695
>>417677I'm not particularly ugly in fact i'd call myself pretty attractive but had to chime in.
Moids are fucking trash, you dont want one. Your bf will disappoint you. staying up late at night worrying about what other girl your bf is texting or lusting after is mentally draining and the kowledge he might be a porn addict in secret takes a huge toll on your psyche. You're constantly on edge and feel the need to watch his every move like a hawk cause modern men are unfaithful porn addicts who will cheat on you and then gaslight you. I miss the single life, yeah I cry and get all sappy cause I crave male intimacy when i'm single but then find out this shit is not fucking worth it without fail whenever I enter a new relationship even if things seem good on paper. Fuck why do I keep doing this to myself.
No. 417774
>>417770Anon i'm sorry, believe me I hated that too when I was fugly and identified as a
femcel, but anon asked how to deal with that so I wanted to give her personal insight now that ive "glowed up" and have more experience dating. It's just overrated plain and simple. Being ugly is way worse tho I agree, I'm not trying to take away from that because ive been there so I know the struggle.
No. 420348
If you’re really ugly, I recommend trying a completely different hairstyle. I was looking through old pictures of myself and was in shock about how hideous I was when I had long hair (had shoulder length hair most of my life). To use the crude numbering system, I was at BEST a 2/10, and the only reason I can’t say I was 1/10 is because I wasn’t like medically deformed or obese kek. A couple of years ago I cut my hair into a pixie in a moment of “fuck it”ness, and it’s improved my appearance so much, like some sort of optical illusion that makes my face not so incredibly hideous. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still ugly, but I’d say I moved up to a 3.5/10 now and that actually makes a huge difference.
2/10 is “everyone who sees you pities you for being so ugly, you are hard to look at”, while 3.5/10 is “very homely but most people just look past you” which is a miracle for me. I never would have expected a haircut to cast such a powerful illusion and tbh I don’t understand it, but I’m so glad I discovered this.
No. 420416
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>TLDR; Style your hair and wear sunglasses kek
experimented this week since I visited a touristic city and realized I've gotten a whole lot thinner. During the day I dolled myself up.
>curled my hair
>wore something summery..shorts and a top. decently simple but classy.
>no makeup, but my skin is well taken care of.
>i do not shave. i am very hairy everywhere.
>bought sunglasses that suit my face shape and compliment skin tone.
I got stares in the street. Pointed at. Eyes following me from all sorts of people (ages, sex, races, from average looking folk to even 'pretty' people). Got catcalled passing through an alleyway and when I hit the town square. Strangers struck up conversation with me and hovered around. It's fascinating how obscuring the majority of your face with sunglasses just makes you more 10x more alluring to people. Must be the mystery or 'cool' factor.
During the night.
>wore biker shorts
>jacket similar to a leather jacket
>hair braided back like those female mma fighters
>my regular glasses
The treatment from men was night and day. Women on the other hand only really waver and remained for the most part polite but it was still evident that they're kinder (some get bitter tho kek) if you're prettier. Minimal glances, ppl avoiding me on the street, annoyed and impatient attitude if I interacted. Planned on getting a bite to eat, narc father was pissed about my appearance since he has this hang up with hair. It's fucking hot idgaf about styling my hair especially since he only gives a shit about how he's perceived by strangers. Meaning I better make him look good. Got called cute by a drunk guy at 3 am though.
I also kept the same facial expressions throughout and wasn't any more smiley or pouty in either cases.
Now I know that if I give 5% more effort and perform this feminine shit…I'll get treated better. I hate this game. fixed sth..posted again
No. 424012
I've been called he/him/sir by other women and I don't know if it's been out of spite or what. I have a large nose, small lips, strong cheekbones, pronounced browbone (that I hide with bangs), and sharp jaw. Deepish voice. Not super masculine, but not hyperfeminine. At best, people compare me to younger Anjelica Huston. I know it shouldn't matter but it stings sometimes to be called "sir". Just because I don't have a pig button nose doesn't mean I'm not a biological woman. I'm not ever going to get plastic surgery though. I'm thinking maybe if I wear eyelash extensions or something people will stop calling me sir.
>>423997I feel you. I've been to the damn gynocologist, I have a womb and have a menstrual cycle. I'm a woman. I hate how troonery affected how people see masculine women.
No. 424164
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>>424101i actually honestly like looking at her face. she's ugly but she looks so interesting she is genuinely kind of pleasing to look at.
No. 424351
>>424278I don’t really have any advice beyond trying not to dwell on it. I try to ignore it, and I remember that it says a lot more about them that they’re mocking someone for their appearance. There’s nothing wrong with me, there’s something wrong and rotten about them and their shitty attitude. Why care about what some jerks think?
I’ve been called “witch” and the like before for my nose, although that doesn’t bother me as much anymore because witches are awesome. Most recently I overheard a group of douchebags at work calling me “bangs”. I was so confused what that could even mean, I have bangs because it’s the most flattering haircut I’ve found. I don’t work at that job anymore and I chocked it up to them being the assholes they usually are, probably mad that I wouldn’t do any work for them during MY lunch break. I’m ranting now but anyways, try to hold your head up high. Shitty people’s reactions shouldn’t matter to you.
>>424164She looks classy and regal.
No. 424365
>>424278I got that kind of comments a lot since I was a literal baby. People would to go my mom -according to her at least- and say "wow yoir daughter looks like a monkey, should've let her die in the hospital or something". I find this hilarious tbh, can't get angry at it because they're kinda right. In school, other girls would constantly tell me I need to trim and brush my eyebrows because they're too thick and ugly, nowadays that is in style so I get compliments about it but they still say I should brush it and fill it in with make up because, get this, it's not thick enough??? And as a kid, they'd point out my crooked nose a lot, I didn't believe them at first until my own family members started noticing and making fun of me for it, then I started to see it and how I have 2 different side profiles because of this. Way to escape law enforcements I guess? I got too used to it that I find it funny when it's pointed out to me, but they also laugh at me if I ever say I'm gonna get it fixed so idk what are they trying to achieve exactly? But eventually, I just learned what I actually dislike about my looks and what I like, so people's comments don't get to me if I think they're wrong, and it's funny when I do agree and I'd be like "yeah that's true, gonna fix it once I make enough money because I'm aiming for a high paying job and I'll be rich enough to afford it.", idk why but it works to shut them up about it. I stopped coming across people who make comments about my looks with age, except my family ofcourse, and my current friends are very accepting and nice so I rarely hear that kind of commentary these days, other than inside my head when I look at the mirror lmao. I wonder sometimes, if I never got those comments since childhood, would I be more accepting of my looks? Because all those "pretty" girls in media and social media never got into me and I always found them either ugly and too unnatural, or just mid, so I never bothered comparing myself to them and getting upset about my looks, so I imagine maybe without that part of my childhood I'd be more confident. My rejection of makeup also stems from this, because girls at school and family members sometimes would tell me wearing makeup would cover up my ugliness, so I ended up associating makeup with being ugly and not fixing it permanently but temporarily by covering it up, so I refused to waste money, time and effort on such a non-solution. But I gotta say, I prefer natural bare faces over makeup-ed faces in general, and think my face looks decent already without makeup, I just need to fix my nose and lighten my lips and get healthier because my 22 yo ass is already losing my buccal fat and looking very gaunt.
No. 424366
>>424365Ayrt, I can’t really relate because if anything I get more insults from strangers as an adult than when I was a kid for some reason, and my family was never mean to me and instead try to convince me I’m not hideous which is somehow more annoying imo. And to me, responding to people who call me ugly with “yes I’m going to give up thousands of dollars to fix my face” is probably the most pathetic thing to say back for me personally. I just want to be able to mind my own business without being constantly reminded about how offensive other people find my face.
>>424351Yes I mean I agree they’re jerks but what gets to me is that even the nice people who don’t make comments about my face are still just as disgusted by it internally. It feels bad to inspire a natural negative reaction in people and make their day just that much more unpleasant for having to have looked at me or interacted with me. It’s not a matter of self esteem really because I like who I am just fine, I’m just tired of inspiring such negative reactions in others just by existing.
No. 424592
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I wish there was a plastic surgery that could move your nose placement down your face. I legit look like picrel.
No. 424622
>>424592Same.
It's my dream to get a lip lift but my midface is long skeleton-wise and my nose is short so I'd still probably looked fucked up in my proportions if the surgery even worked to begin with. People who have good canvases for plastic surgery are so lucky, vs us with ngmi deformities
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remember that moids only want hole(off-topic)
No. 426360
>>426352This is me with my malnourishment and skin issues, eyebags, and broken nose. Also dark lips that look smaller than they actually are because the dark edges blend in with my facial skin tone. My teeth could also be an issue because, despite my prominent chin, I still look like I have an overbite. My jawline isn't bad but could be better. I think if I start with my broken nose, the rest will fall into place on its own. My eyebrows shape could use some shaping, if it was more angular it would've looked better, but it's super round and flat/straight and gives my face an undesirable "soft" look that is more on the retarded side, idk how to explain it. It's a bit masculine as well so I don't like it that much. Lightening my lips using some skin treatments or laser treatments even could help a lot, since this darkness seems natural and not from dryness, biting or anything else that can be reduced or reversed. Idk what I can possibly do for my eyebags though, they say caffeine works if it's just hyperpigmentation, but if it's something you're born with then there's no way to get rid of it. And I can't tell which one is it kek. Ofcourse, improving my health can go a long way and fix most of this, but I can't do it currently because of my shitty circumstances that caused these issues in the first place, and it will only get worse with time.
No. 426729
>>426658Certain interaction will truly never leave your psyche. I’ll always remember when an entire car full of men rolled their windows down to cat call me and when I turned to face them, all unanimously and instantly started laughing and yelling about how ugly I was, that they’d never seen such an ugly faced woman, how I should be forced to wear a paper bag on my head.
And this was a day I had dressed up nicely for a job interview.
No. 428813
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I can’t take being ugly anymore. I just can’t take it. I’m against plastic surgery but I’m getting really close to just throwing away my moral code and just doing it. But the thing is, it’s a lose lose situation because
>Option 1: don’t get the surgery, people continue to make fun of me, I never date, too jealous of other people to make friends
>Option 2: get the surgery, look better, people stop treating me differently, maybe even get to date, but will forever be beating myself up and feeling horrible and guilty and selfish for caving and getting surgery against my principles and at the expense of societal progress.
I’m at an impasse and there’s no good choice to make.
No. 430227
>>428846i disagree with the other anon. stick with your principles, you have them for a reason. especially when you have such a strong stance on it as well.
you would likely regret it. plastic surgeons are scammers and they want you to keep coming back and give you worse body dysmorphia. it's not worth it. it'd be better to try and accept the appearance you were born with, as hard as that may be.
>I’m also very strict with making sure my actions align with my principles, I really never do anything that goes against what I think is right, and I don’t know how I could live with myself if I got plastic surgery. But at the same time, spending the rest of my life like this is equally unfathomable.i feel similarly about my own principles in that i am firm in them so i sympathize with you. if it is truly a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, think of it this way:
>you are miserable with yourself for going against your firm principles or you are to remain miserable with your appearanceso if you are miserable either way, if things stay as they are, then that is what you are used to. but if you go the plastic surgery route, things can go wrong. so not only did you go against your principles, you could potentially be stuck with a bogged surgery that needs to be fixed with more surgeries. or you get stuck with a surgeon who wants to rework your entire face with procedures you didn't even want before, or your filler keeps migrating and it's fucking with your perception of yourself even more. i think there's way more of a chance of things getting worse if you go the plastic surgery route, and it would be filled with regret. whereas you have been with your appearance your whole life. maybe it will always be bad, but i feel like it's important to stick to your principles especially when you feel so strongly about them. i think it's a good quality to have.
it would be better to try with every fiber of your being to fully accept yourself as you are (even if you cant) than to go to the option that you clearly are against. to go to a seedy surgeon who doesn't care about your well-being. i don't think plastic surgery would solve the issue, and it especially is not going to fix your self-esteem either. it's also risky. it's not something you can reverse. i hope you can some day be happy with your appearance without some butcher cutting up your face. i wish you well nona
No. 430231
>>428846Fully agree with
>>430227, consider this: do you
really want to tell everyone that you hate yourself? Because when you're doing plastic surgery, you're admitting to hating how you look to everyone around you. You're walking with a constant reminder of your self-loathing on your
face. It's undignified and belittling. Changing your appearance this much will make you alienated and
trigger further dysmorphic spiralling. Alienation begets alienation. You don't even have to look at it from the 'i must adore myself' angle, you can think of how to lead a life where your appearance is low in your priority list (i haven't fully figured that one out kek but being ambitious, even for silly things, helps a lot)
>>430217Yep. Unless you have a very noticeable crease or puffy philtrum it's negligible
No. 430253
>>430227>>430231lmfao if her appearance is stopping her from living a fulfilling life (not even being able to attempt friendships because of jealousy of physical appearance is crazy) then she should go for surgery. The principles are made up concepts- they are not real. Probably influenced by a caretaker or someone who did not have the possibility to change anything but oh boy, you know if they could, they would.
Also this is seriously stunting development in other areas of her life. Being so fixated on appearances, building entire immovable monoliths out of reasons why surgery and changing your appearance is bad, writing fucking essays about it? look how much energy and time went into tricking herself out of doing it. she could be putting this energy into something more valuable if this obstacle wasn't there. Not to mention how many experiences are being missed out on because of this.
>do you really want to tell everyone that you hate yourself? Because when you're doing plastic surgery, you're admitting to hating how you look to everyone around you. You're walking with a constant reminder of your self-loathing on your face. It's undignified and belittling.Literally no1curr except for chronically online people who selfloathe themselves and project it onto others who had the guts to do it and if it's one or two procedures, you can't even tell lol If you go around nitpicking other people's faces and after seeing that someone had surgery you have thoughts like that, there is something very wrong with you.
No. 430408
>>430253you're projecting and you're talking like you know the anon when you clearly don't
>look how much energy and time went into tricking herself out of doing itlook how much time and energy you're spending trying to trick her into believing she should abandon her principles that she has stated multiple times they're important to her. you aren't even listening to what she's saying you're just aggressive and want this anon to get plastic surgery way too much. i actually couldn't fully read your post because its littered with seething. put this energy elsewhere or go get plastic surgery for yourself. obviously she's conflicted for a reason
No. 430493
>>430408NTA but caring that much about whether or not a stranger got work done is weird. I want you to understand that a normal person does not care strongly one way or another, and male opinions don’t count because they will praise a girl to high heavens for being natural even if she has the most obvious filler in her lips and chin.
Either way, what are you gonna do except cry about it? Do you think a rando irl or online cares about your views on the morality of plastic surgery? If you’re seething that much about something that doesn’t affect you and that you cannot change, you should consider therapy.
No. 430632
>>430493nona i have no idea why you're replying this to me, i don't care nearly as much as the anon that i was replying to who was projecting and reeeing at me for telling an anon that she should reconsider the plastic surgery idea
>>430528>There is no special reward or medal for sticking to principles that cause you to have a miserable lifethat's correct, and there's no special medal or reward for having principles that fufill your life either. no one has principles because they're expecting something out of it. it's fine that you don't have any principles
nonnie, but the original nona does and she stated that hers were important to her. that's why i took that into consideration. when you want to give advice to someone, normally you'd want to pay attention to what they're saying.
you can assume whatever you want about me, i don't give a shit. we're on an anonymous website. it's extremely clear you like to jump to conclusions. i was offering advice to an anon who was conflicted, i replied and i told her how i felt about it. you come in and clearly just want to argue for the sake of arguing. if you love plastic surgery so much, there's a thread just for you, you can sperg in there about how many nosejobs you can get before it falls off
No. 430727
I fucking hate being back to college, among nothing but trust funded rich kids, every single one of these girls are just perfectly well put together
>perfect angelic faces
>perfect teeth and poster child smiles
>perfect discreet makeup
>perfect fucking skin, not a single one with the hint of a pimple, like how tf do they even pull this??
>perfect toned bodies, probably spend all their free time at the gym
>perfect fucking hair, sharp straight lean and thin, like they're all stepping out of the hairdresser every single morning at 7am
>perfect clothing, effortlessly looking both cute and approachable
>perfect natural nails
>perfect voice and mannerism
>never show any hint of annoyance, as if their lives is just this nevermind stream of fun and praise
they're literally the male gaze incarnate, they all fucking look and feel the same, makes me want to kms, like I could spend all my time, all my saving for years and probably wouldn't even look a 10th as good, they all make it look effortless as well, like it's all they've been busying themselves with from birth till now, looking perfect at all times is like their second nature
I'm literally seething all day every day, I feel like giving up and dropping out every single time I come across one, and they're literally everywhere
I'm not even really ugly and I still want to hide myself in shame and never look back
I think I'm starting to turn myso even
No. 430830
>>430727then try snooping on their conversations, and you'll be astonished by what you find, all I've ever catched them talking about was either about who's fucking who, or the latest cosmetic, like try this gloss this, check out my latest dry shampoo that!, like bitches, aren't I supposed to be the one having no life? do you even have hobbies besides getting ready to get fucked all day?
plus what really makes my blood boil is how they're only even here as a glorified womanchild daycare, they don't even need to pass, they know they've already made it anyway
that's what ivy league schools feel like to your average slaving wannabe phd candidate
No. 431211
>>431154blowing thousands every month on cosmetics and professional care isn't a grind I respect, it's just endgame pickmeism, and simply pushing the bar for everyone around them
>>431149but the gap is exactly the same, as brutally insurmountable, since it's not a matter of work you put in, it's just flaunting generational wealth and leasure
No. 431238
>>430727>>430731it’s easy to lament something that feels unobtainable but it’s important to question if you’d really want to be that girl if you suddenly could. would you enjoy living under that identity? being the "male gaze incarnate"? would it make you happy? would you want to do the same perfect makeup that everyone else does and put on clothing that everyone else has? can you commit to the gym lifestyle?
i used to be jealous of them too, i actually came pretty close in highschool, grew out my hair, found less frumpy clothes, did minimal makeup until i felt about the same cuteness level with the other girls (suspend your disbelief, this was a british school lol). it was lame and gay. it wasn't my vibe. i suck at being a normie girl but normie girls would likewise suck at being me, because i’m my own person with my own talents and strengths, and so are you.
so do you genuinely want to do all that? personally gym & positive mindset are the only points important to me, that shit is life changing, i dont care about the other stuff.
No. 431247
>>431238it's not so much that I envy their appearance or the attention they get, but it's actually the lifestyle of self-centered "idleness" that they flaunt, that's what makes them attractive, it just screams "I have so much free time and disposable money just look at what I can afford to achieve"
while I literally have to work 60-hours a week just to secure my place in this hellhole, I don't actually have time for any of this crap, I'm lucky if I can hastly straighten my hair not to look like a complete dork once every other morning, before comuting for over an hour, and find a few hours to do some cardio every week not to die prematurely at age 40
and they either live on luxury campus dorms or in their nearby mcmansion
I could spend hours researching every little subject related to human physiology and cosmetic chemistry like an autistic redditor, but that wouldn't even come close to professional care, they probably don't even know the first thing about anything either besides knowing how to order them at the menu, so it's just served to them in a silverplate
that's what I seethe about, and there's literally nothing I can do
No. 431281
>>430253>Literally no1curr except for chronically online people who selfloathe themselvesI don't notice subtle surgery, i'm not well versed in that. I wasn't even thinking about strangers, i was thinking of anon's friends, family, her coworkers, all the people she knows. They won't miss her appearance change, they'll know she hated herself enough to go under the knife. It's undignified and permanent, unlike her own struggle to make peace with her looks. She might keep getting surgeries and then everyone will know. Your response is disproportionate, did it strike a nerve or something? Dysmorphia is a mental illness, cope
>>430486Great answer. You get used to hating your looks but it isn't normal. It's just not. There are other, better things to do and plastic surgery doesn't treat the underlying issue.
No. 431414
>>431281>Your response is disproportionate, did it strike a nerve or something? Dysmorphia is a mental illness, copekek nona i thought the same exact thing, it definitely struck a nerve. she's way too aggressive and still has yet to say how plastic surgery actually helps anybody. i can only guess she's yet another example of someone who got plastic surgery and it didn't magically fix their self-esteem.
>>431281>There are other, better things to do and plastic surgery doesn't treat the underlying issue.agreed. i think that nona gave good advice, there isn't only two options. therapy can help. plastic surgery has risks and it doesn't restore someone's destroyed confidence. often times it feels like the person will continue to keep fixating on more and more parts of their face they don't like and continue to get surgeries until they're unrecognizable or are straight up bogged. many such cases. that's why if the original nona already has reservations, i would suggest she stick to her principles because just one procedure can spiral her down a path of many other procedures that will lead her feeling unfufilled
No. 432350
>>430727>perfect voiceHuh? I think you need to chill out a bit. Women with good bone structure also have great skin and body. So they don't have to do much to achieve the ideal look.
Since they already have a great body and face, they don't have to spend much time on the makeup and dressing because they will look great anyway. I think it's halo effect. Even if you dress perfectly and do your makeup, you won't look as good as them.
You also said they're rich which means they can invest more money into beauty.
>>431281Same points being made. Beauty is everything if you're a woman. There's no point in denying it. Plastic surgery is the best investment you can make to yourself. What do you people think therapy is? Magic wand? Therapy won't do shit to you if you have real problems. Drugs can help you to function better. I don't think anyone in here who advice her to do the opposite of getting surgery have good intentions.
No. 434745
I used to struggle with body dysmorphia and depression. It is still a part of my life but during the last half a year I made tremendous progress. I managed to distance myself from a lot of triggers and I have been doing great really. Got a new job, moved houses, got a new wardrobe that makes me feel comfy. I stopped caring about my looks a lot, even coming to work without perfectly shaved legs and not caring (this is a lot for my obsessive ass). I am more vocal about my opinions and more open in general.
My issues stem from having a couple bad facial features. On their own they wouldn't be that terrible, very unconventional though, but having all of them together makes me look kinda ugly. Like I have a pretty big nose, both tall and wide and upturned so I look like a pig, long philtrum, pretty small lips, big forehead, bad hairline shape and cleft chin. On top of that I had very bad acne, that despite everything I did to treat it left a lot of scarring and discoloration that is still fading. So overall, that is pretty fucked. My body unfortunately is not earning me any points either.
Now there is the thing. I got hired at this place with this other girl. She is like three years younger than me, she is nice and of course she is prettier than me. I didn't really put much thought into it at the begining. We were both talking to the same people at the office, since we all sit with the same group. Both me and her got pretty close and we later made friends with the rest of people. I was feeling great about it all. Honestly the people were the best part of the job. I quickly learned that I have a LOT to talk about with our work friends, since me and the group have much more matching interests than the them and the girl. So even though she was prettier I thought I will do just as well socially since I'm talking with a lot of them so much, some days much more than she does.
Well it started slow I guess, but I did notice it. At the beginning it was just overly making sure that she is doing okay at work, checking if she needs help, and trying to help ease her struggles a bit. I was assumed sometimes to just "make it work" whereas she was worried about and helped. Then there were times where me and her were bantering and our work friends would assume that I said something fucked up because she is "too nice" to be able to have such a strong riposte. Essentially assuming that I must be the "mean one". At one point they straight up said it, that they would believe that I was being mean. Even though they hear her sometimes obliterating me when we banter. It's also annoying that they constantly ask her about herself, whereas I don't get the same treatment. She can also talk for long periods of time and everyone will listen without interrupting.
But last week was too much. So, I graduted nonnies. I got my degree, yay for me. So I have been stressing over that thing the entire two months and a half that I have been working there, venting to people at work and all. And last week I had my defence of thesis. The other girl on the other hand was starting university that week. Guess who got asked about their shit. Yeah, she did. No one fucking remembered to ask me. But they all ask about her schedule and classes and what not. It hurt nonnies.
At this point I believe it must be my looks. People immediately treat me differently. No matter how nice I am, how social I try to be and how good I'm meshing with people interest wise I still get worse treatment.
Now I'm back in this ugly spiral of researching plastic surgery and intensive facial treatments. If I had the money right now I would just do it.
I truly wanna come back to being a shut in and just isolate away from people. No matter how hard I try I guess it won't matter in the end and this is proofcof that. It's all so futile. I gave it my best shot and it's still nothing ffs.
No. 437025
>>434745Relate so hard. Fuck the halo effect for real anon, I'm so sorry you went through that. I'm also dealing with being sidelined in a work group because an attractive woman showed up one day and everyone is worshiping her for just existing. I really hate being stuck between that cope of wanting to be recognized for my work ethic and talents but also wishing I had the privilege of being pretty so I wouldn't have to rely on anything else. It's so shallow and I hate to think of it and compromise any integrity I have left, but I can't help it.
I haven't shown my face to some of my colleagues yet since this is a virtual job, and I'm so afraid their opinion of me is going to drop once they see how hideous I am and they'll take me less seriously. It's a wack line of thinking but it's stories like yours that convince me that this is all that matters in life. I'm back on the plastic surgery research spiral grind myself
No. 437243
>>437227I have mixed feelings about it. I don't think relationships and sex are important enough to fuss about them so much and ruin your mental health over. My personal gripes with my looks is not being able to eyefuck myself in the mirror or taking cute photos, I'm narcissistic like that. But I don't mind the idea of being found attractive and getting people looking my way, but I would never let that define my value and worth as a person because it's stupid to base it all on another person's perception of you.
But on the other hand, saying moids fuck anything as a reply to someone not finding luck with it is sort of saying you're as ugly as those alleged chicken sandwiches they fuck or whatever, it's as if the nigelfags are telling you your looks and worth are equal to the most unsexual objects possible and that the degenerate males who fuck those objects are the only ones who'd approach you. I think it's a horrible advice/reply or whatever it's called and doesn't help at all. Really unnecessary to say to someone who struggles with their looks and self-worth because of it and having love/dating/relationships/sex problems. I advice you to ignore them, but also work on your sense of self-worth and how you view your looks, sex/relationships and make it less of a priority, or look at it as something you do for fun like a friendship rather than something you do to prove yourself. Good luck out there!
No. 437472
>>437227From how i see it, that incel/
femcel stuff really only pertains to accessibility to sex right? In that case, then yes,
femcels do not exist because there is always going to be a man who will have sex with you and it's not really an issue, it's just a matter of how desperate you are. I see it as the same for men and just think the overall idea of being an incel/
femcel is retarded because of that. I think what's actually hard will be finding a man who actually is attracted to you and isn't just with you for access to sex. Even attractive women can't seem to get this right and it's very blackpilling. I do feel like nigelfags do love to gaslight people because they feel like the chosen ones and think everyone else who can't get a partner or is apprehensive about it is some kind of loser. They irritate me so much because there is zero way to communicate to them that it's sometimes better to be alone than to risk your mental health trying to interact with moids who think you are an ugly fleshlight.
>>437440Tell me about it, and when other women are constantly trying to force makeovers on you that are too high maintenance to uphold, whilst they can just wear vaseline and look cute. It doesn't make me feel good about myself.
No. 437480
>>437227>femcels are not a thing because moids would fuck anythingThe most supremely fucking retarded double-barreled question ever. Women can always get someone to fuck them, in the sense that there are men who hate women and want to use sex as a violent weapon against anyone who would let them. "Women have the privilege of getting someone to fuck them if they're not picky" is like saying "Women have the privilege of buying a gun and putting it in their mouth and pulling the
trigger." It's not just "being too picky and thus voluntarily celibate" if you won't fuck men who would choke you, rape you, secretly record you, take the condom off without your permission, lie to you and give you STDs, or call you a whore when talking to all of their friends.
No. 437482
>>437227Heterosexual
femcels cant exist but it doesn't mean it's a privilege or that it's them being picky and it's retarded to act like it's any of that. All scrotes are subhumans and some act like literal chimps, so of course heterosexual women aren't going to degrade themselves (or basically kill themselves) by putting up with nasty scrotes. I wouldn't be surprised if it's coming from those nigelfags though. I wouldn't be surprised at all if heterosexual women had much much more trouble finding long-term romance than losing their virginity. Lescels on the other hand, definitely exist, no debate, as the "moids would fuck anything" thought doesn't apply + ssa women are a minority so the amount fish in that sea is much less. Anecdotally as a lesbian i've met groups of celibate bi/heterosexual women and groups celibate lesbian women and their reasoning as to why they're celibate is always different. Plus the general culture in those groups tend to be different
>>437480I wonder if the stubbornness around heterosexual women calling themselves invcel originates from gatekeepy scrotes considering a woman created the original abbreviation to describe herself. Nowadays it seems like "incel" is more of a culture than it is an objective label. Which is why i like using "involuntary celibate" more than the abbreviation, causes much less seethe.
No. 437566
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>fat Asian
>glasses
>no makeup
>visible pores
>light acne
>big nostrils
>jacked up teeth
>body hair and light facial hair
>gross butt and pussy
I've always been this way since as a kid and I would easily give up on making healthier choices and to not give a crap about beauty stuff. Because fuck it. Beauty is pain and I'm poor. Eat whatever you like but don't go too overboard since it'll make you sick. Do what makes you feel good while you're still here. We'll all die in the end as rotting corpses or burned ashes.
Though as a fat woman, it's still possible to be pretty like showing kindness, having a friendly personality, good hygiene, a nice sense of fashion like wearing long skirts, etc. You'll still be beautiful than the average or below minimal effort moid no matter what. There's too many ugly scrotes nowadays since they are prone to balding and age like milk. Hell even some of them get Stacy gfs and wives for some reason. It's a sad society we live in. Been rejected by school crushes in the past. Now rejecting any guy who's interested in me unless they're attractive which will never happen even though having an actual relationship seemed scary. Rejected two mid moids in my life so far and I've always been into 2D/fictional men instead. As a kindhearted fat woman, some people would see you like a wholesome mother or a pug and as you get older, some people would see you like a sweet granny. It's corny but it's the inside that matters most. Even attractive people can be fake and ugly from the inside too. I've accepted my "ugliness" because I know that society brainwashed women into this unrealistic beauty standard to themselves especially to get the approval and attention from moids whereas the reverse is hardly done. Where are my chubby queens with handsome bfs and husbands? Though it's totally fine if you do it for yourself too. For me, I would just stick to my true self.
No. 437579
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>>437566Actually, I've seen like two couples in my life where the guy is decent looking or even attractive and the girl is chubby or fat even. So that kind of gives me "hope" with the whole finding a qt 13.1416 bf thing.
But I honestly don't have it as a priority of any sorts and just live life knowing that I'm not the priority for others either, and that in the end, having 2D husbandos is better than having to deal with the trials and tribulations of having a 3D moid.
I just honestly wish people treated you with respect even if you're fat and ugly like in my case, I'm certainly not treated like I'm some wholesome woman, I'm mostly an annoyance by many.
It's honestly crazy how the difference between a fat teacher and a skinny teacher is so obvious, kids prefer listening to a skinny teacher while they are rude and get easily bored by a fat teacher, it's like, no matter how fun, quirky, attentive or nice you try to be, they just don't care if you're not pretty enough, specially moids and well, the freshly brainwashed girls that believe in shit like wearing makeup "because they truly like it" or cliques.
No. 437591
>>437575>I want to look good for my own pleasureNta but no one believes this bullshit. You also prove anons point
>Looks are great to have, but to dwell on it because of relationships out of all the other possible reasons is patheticYour look as a woman is what defines your value in society as well as your status. Other women would've killed themselves already if they had the face I have. No one in here genuinely cares about relationships either. They just want to be loved and there's nothing wrong with venting about it in here, why are you coming itt if you live in your own polyanna world?
No. 437615
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>>437568Looks are everything if you are a woman. I have multiple undesirable and masculine traits in myself, acne scars, big shoulders, ugly nose, ugly face with no harmony, hairy everywhere i have a mild stache and unibrow i need to shave every month, skinnyfat build, visible nasolabial folds and philtrum. It was over before it even began for me, i look androgynous and angry all the time and can pass as guy better than most tifs, it will take such a long time and money to fix all of this just to look at the very least acceptable in my own and other peoples eyes.
>>437566Based, manifesting a qt boyfriend for you
No. 437654
>>437591It's on you for not fathoming the idea of being so narcissistic and obsessed with myself that I want to be hot so I can ogle myself, it's my perfectionism speaking rather than a desire to date someone. I actually want people to pay attention to me just so I can reject them on the premise of being too good for them and above them, so they'd always worship me and never get me. I want to be unattainable. I want to meet my own standards for myself because I only care about my own opinion of myself, even if people around me found me hot/pretty, I won't be satisfied until
I find myself hot/pretty. They could ask me out on 10000 dates and I won't be satisfied until I meet my own self image I created in my mind.
>it's not about relationships>they want to be lovedBoth are literally the same thing.
No. 438136
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I usually subconsciously suppress all the memories of times when people have let me know how ugly I am, but every once in a while I will recall an incident and it hits me like a pile of bricks to the stomach every time. I’ve been called ugly on the street, in my car, and of course in school when I was a student, by total strangers and friends alike. Those are all hurtful but to be honest the one that makes me feel the most broken and the only one that actually makes me sob to recall to this day is when I was a senior in high school and two conventionally attractive freshman cheerleaders came up to me in class (I’d never spoken to them before), and said
>“We just want to tell you that you’re really pretty.”
These poor dumb 13/14 year old kids were not old enough to grasp how much their one transparent comment would forever destroy my self esteem.
At that time in my life, I was trying harder than ever before to counteract my ugliness. Doing my hair neatly every morning in the most flattering style for me, always wearing makeup, cute clothes, staying thin, trying to smile and be social, etc. And yet that comment revealed that when people looked at me, they felt so much pity for how ugly I was despite how hard I was obviously trying, that they felt like lying to me would be an act of extreme kindness. They looked at me, instinctively thought
>“oh my god, I couldn’t imagine going through life looking like that, this poor person must have no self esteem, what could I do to lift her up?”
That’s an indication that you are the ugliest of the ugly.
No. 438160
>>438136Samefag. I’ve also noticed that I get the most street harassment when I’m dressed and styled nicely (once when I was on my way to a job interview, once after attending an event, etc) and feeling relatively good about myself. Maybe it’s that people see the contrast between my styling and my face and feel like they just have to say something about it to bring me down to my proper level.
Despite all of this, I didn’t used to be so incredibly depressed over this, I had sort of accepted it was my lot in life and thought I had come to terms with it. But then I fell deeply in love for the first time. It was the first time I experienced being so captivated by someone, of feeling so incredibly attracted to every inch of them, feeling so much love and affection when I looked at every feature of her face. It’s like being high. I didn’t realize what it was like. Of course, it was one-sided, but more than that, I realized— no one will ever, ever feel that for me. Even if somehow someone settled for me, they would never feel that overwhelming attraction and passion. Those incredible feelings I have would never be mutual. The human experience of burning, mutual attraction that almost everybody experiences at least once and holds as one of the prized experiences in life, I will never get to experience. And yes, it’s true, there’s “more to life” than that, but after experiencing the high of emotions I felt towards the woman I fell for, everything else seems dull in comparison. I can’t be satisfied the way I used to be, my eyes have been opened. I’ve tried to cope with fantasies, but the more I fantasize, the more reality hurts. I don’t know what to do with myself.
My natural human desires feel like a curse and a burden.
No. 438800
No one has ever expressed sexual interest in me or romantic attraction to me in my life. I'm pretty much invisible. The only way I will ever find someone is if I'm the one pursuing. My social anxiety is preventing me from making the first move because I know I'll take any form of rejection personally. Damn my low self-esteem.
I tried to become skinnier by changing my diet, and I lost some weight at first but all of it came back again. I've been eating the same balanced meals every week. None of my meals consist of processed foods. Whole foods only. If I snack, I try to snack on the least processed foods possible and avoid more than 30g of sugar a day. I'm always reading nutrition labels to make sure I don't go over my sugar limit for the day.
My meals are high in protein (like 90g a day) which I learned is good for weight loss but I'm obviously missing something.
I will work on adding more fiber to my diet and exercising more, but it all feels so useless and tiring for my ugly ass. Now I'm trying to look at weight loss from a body neutral perspective in that if I lose weight, it's going to save me from medical bills and broken furniture (lol) in the future.
When I see women on reddit and other spaces swearing off of moids/dating in general I can't but laugh bitterly. It never even began for me. I've been alone for pretty much all of my life except for my family and acquaintances here and there. I take care of my body–I moisturize regularly and I epilate (not so frequently anymore because why put the effort in when I'm invisible), but I do end up with keratosis pilaris no matter how well I exfoliate beforehand, and even with AHAs. This seems to be prevalent in some brown & black women. It makes my skin look so much worse than it should. I need to look into lasering, but professional laser costs so much here.
I've got crooked teeth, a hairy, fat body and thinning hair. I cope by not interacting with people outside of family. I do my best to not let it get to me, and it's getting easier as I visibly age. I'm so used to ignoring bad memories & making them disappear. And through maladaptive daydreaming, where I project my terrible self-image onto my OC who is able to navigate all of these issues and be badass at the same time. My OC is ugly, like me, but people still love & value her because she's really smart and contributes a lot to her community. She also has an awesome bf. Really cringey to admit it but that's my cope.
No. 438813
>>438662Samefag. I had gone out to a volunteer event to get out of the house since I usually just sleep all weekend, but after the kid asked his mom why i was so ugly, I just felt my soul evaporate out of my body. I just put down the shovel and drove home. I don't have anything left in me. Every time I try to better my life, I get mercilessly smacked down. Every time I try harder on my appearance, people seem to sense it and that's when I get the most comments about being ugly. It really, truly feels like the universe is trying to tell me something. If every time I try, I receive an electric shock, why would I keep trying? People say that if you try your best, that's always good, but no matter how hard I try, it doesn't matter at all. There is nothing I can do. I just have to take this, somehow, for the rest of my life. I am not that strong. I fantasize about dying in my daydream crush's arms and cry. I really only feel peace and calm when I envision that fantasy. I wish I could die like that so bad. I just want to go.
>>438800>I cope by not interacting with people outside of family.Same. Aside from work.
No. 439215
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I wish she was ugly because I'm in love with her but she just had to be perfect. It's hopeless. I'm cursed. If I was pretty I would ask her out, I know she likes women which makes it feel even more doomed. I actually believe she would be my soulmate if I was pretty.
No. 439240
>>439222Of course. Our interests and worldview align massively. I know people might think ' if you're so similar she would like you ' but I naturally repulse her, and she can't help being repulsed, because as wonderfully different as she is she is still human.
>>439225That is pretty awful.. sounds stupid but I really do hope you overcome it somehow. You don't have to feel guilty.
No. 441233
>>441232Smells like anachans being
triggered by the idea they're not the skinniest people itt kek
No. 441247
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>tfw I wear anything remotely feminine instead of a dark hoodie with baggy jeans
No. 441391
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>>441250I'm in a similar situation. I just wear maxi skirts and plain silhouette formed shirts. It looks religious but it's the most middle ground of choices to me. Ideal wardrobe is frumpy Hedy at the beginning of swf but alas…
No. 443349
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I'm just struggling so hard with coming to terms with my appearance. I've looked like this for so long, my whole life and i just cant accept it. I'm so angry, I feel like I've been robbed of something. I'll never get to experience someone genuinely finding me attractive. I'll never be able to get the person I want. I've had many crushes in my life, both in school and work, but they'd never look twice at me. I'm just so upset.
The worst part is, some unattractive people can kind of hide it by angles, makeup and filters in photos and they can at least look pretty online, or have the experience of being able to post a nice photo of themselves that they're proud of. I can't even have that. I'm too awful looking for even that.
I'm just gonna keep working hard at my studies and enjoying my hobbies. I'm so sick of being treated terribly.
I hope you're having a great day, nonas.
No. 444176
>>444162Yes, I’m truly ugly, even strangers tell me. With the surgery, I won’t magically become beautiful, so I’m not delusional like that. I just want to reduce a very exaggerated feature I have (extremely long philtrum, over 20mm, turtle-like non-existent upper lip). I’ve done many many edits to see what it would look like, and I do still look weird, but in maybe a cuter way. I’m one of those people with zero tooth show too so I would love to get some teeth visibility when I talk instead of having droopy old man lip. I used to worry about the scar, but I don’t care anymore (or so I tell myself). If I could know that it would look exactly like it’s supposed to I’d do it in a heartbeat, but I am scared about being botched because I can’t find any resources on vetting plastic surgeons, all the plastic surgery review websites are fake and biased and remove bad reviews.
No. 444190
>>444176imagine risking your life and risking getting botched jsut to appeal to male gazey beauty standards that change every other year
don't do it
No. 444198
>>444177>>444181>>444190I’m getting some mixed messages… but last anon, there are some features that are universally ugly. The one I have is one of those. It’s not like a big nose or thick eyebrows, it’s having the upper lip of an elderly person when you’re not elderly. I also am not interested in men or their gaze, I’m actually GNC. I think your advice would be solid in other contexts but not this one. Also, it’s not a life risking surgery at all…
I think I’m gonna do it, but I always go through phases of being 100% sure, and then a few months later, 100% against. But I think I do have to pull the
trigger at some point. My parents are going to be really mad at me kek
No. 444200
>>444198>universally uglyNo such thing, thin lips used to be in ancient greece, in the 1870s, in the 1920s (
https://www.nenasterner.com/journal/its-all-relative-how-beauty-standards-have-evolved-throughout-history )
Lipstick and filler companies are makign millions off of making women with perfectly fine lips inject hazardous substances that we barely know and keep discovering new stuff about everyday (we just discovered fillers stay in your body your whole life)
Any surgery is a risk for infection, if you're jsut getting filler I'd say it's alright, but as soon as you're getting cuts into your skin, it's a risk and you could end up with an infection that'll ruin your face, and I'm not even talking about if you went for general anesthesia
Just don't do it, keep your money, and I'm sure you're not even as ugly as you say, but even if you were, risking a perfectly functional face to fit a beauty standard that's ever-changing just seems not worth it to me
No. 444388
>>444304https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformationsure it is
you can find even the most ridiculous features to be a beauty standard in a certain culture
stop buying into the psyop
No. 448757
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how is this not common knowledge?
the only "issue" incels have is inflated expectations
plus all this talk about determinism is pointless, the "model" of beauty he referred to would be extremely plain and "mid" as well if not the social clout and inevitable makeup/editing influencers have to go through
actually most self-esteem issues based on appearances and "body image" is equally delusional
No. 448761
>>448758point is if someone judges you from that point of view alone, they don't care about you, and neither should you
and even if you were "not ugly", you wouldn't want this kind of attraction anyway, because it's purely destructive in nature
and turns out most of time, it's not the only issue, but rather a cope to hide it under
No. 448792
>>448769I also get this.
Because my personality is decently compelling and my BPDfaggotry makes me a lovebomber I've been able to get into relationships, but I rarely get attention outside of them. When I hear women speak of getting sexually harassed I sympathize but it's not something I have ever or will ever need to worry about too much. If any male friends developed feelings for me they never felt compelled enough to confess.
So when whoever I'm dating calls me cute I accept that I've charmed them enough to want me, but I also know the reality is that I'm so ugly I feel as safe as a man walking home at midnight down dark alleys.
No. 448841
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>>448790I agree with you and I’m really, really glad to have been called pretty by the people close to me when so many women spend all their lives wishing for the same thing , without ever getting it. I remember my mother tearfully telling me about her mother never calling her beautiful , not even on her wedding day and it made me appreciate (to an extent) the compliments she gives me. But the issue is that I receive them DAILY by multiple people which only feeds my delusions and my need to appear attractive to others.
It gets even worse when my friends praise me in front of people, especially moids because they can’t help but correct them and comment on how mid or ugly I am. This happened several times with different people and it was deeply embarrassing and ego-crushing each time kek
>>448792 I only get hit on when I’m wearing heavy make-up and I have to admit that i often felt bad about not being pretty enough to get harassed (and I’m not even attracted to men) of course you can’t say that in real life but im sure most deeply insecure women can relate to that sentiment
Though I have to say men who harass women are low IQ and porn addicted so their standards aren’t really representative of what beautiful truly is. I think they’d ignore any pretty woman who’s slightly masculine and more raw-looking like loli bahia (picrel)
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As I cope with the fact that I hate my phenotype, I am mixed but the only European trait I have is white skin, plus I am objectively ugly and with masculine features, almost all the only ones of beauty and the ones I find attractive are white or whitepassing like Adriana Lima. My Pinterest board is full of exceptionally beautiful women, I feel sad because I will never be like them. Plus I'm fat, even when I was skinnyfat I was still ugly.
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>>449159yeah most people touted as beautiful tend to have white skin, light eyes, and light hair.
also disgusting is that you need to be a little neotenous. you're rarely if ever going to see a woman with a large nose be seen as a standard of beauty.
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>>448757>his type is pokimane >picrel She would be posting in this exact same thread right now if there weren’t coomer moids donating to her to keep her career alive kekkk
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I don't really know what to do. I unironically cope by not going out, but whenever I go out, I'm reminded of how ugly I am, but also of how people are racist too, which is funny because everyone is mixed in this shitty place.
So I honestly don't know what to do, kind of, I know I need to lose weight and that I need to basically live at the hairdresser's to look decent, but I'm not white and that really affects a lot how you're perceived regardless of how you dress.
Like, I already am not allowed to look slightly off, imagine how it will be like when I lose weight, it's going to be a living hell because that means wearing makeup all of the time, wearing my best clothes anywhere I go, ditching denim anything and wearing high hells if possible.
I wish I didn't have to go out, I can just keep looking in the mirror pretending I'm pretty, my brain is great at telling me that I'm pretty, it's more than enough to me, I really don't want to hear people saying anything about me because it doesn't even matter if it's positive, it disturbs me a lot and unnerves me too.
I'm also so used to being mistreated because I'm fat, I know that I'm fat and that's it, but I don't know if I could handle being mistreated because I'm not white and because I'm ugly as well, I will probably kill myself.
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