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No. 378181

Not everyone can be beautiful, and for some, even "average" is out of reach. If that sounds like you, how are you coping in this looks-obsessed world?

I'm reviving this thread series since the last one has long since closed and I think it's a topic a lot of women could use a place to vent about.

Previous thread: >>>/g/114320

No. 378188

I’ve learned to hide my rat face with my hair and glasses

No. 378191

Just wear a mask and if anyone asks why your wearing it just say you have a weakened immune system

No. 378199

Healthy coping mechanisms would include minimizing screen time and developing hands on hobbies like crochet or woodworking.

If you still feel an surge then write down what parts you hate the most and then what I am be changed and what can’t. Make peace with the immutable and slowly develop a looksmaxxing plan

No. 378201

I just learned not to expect much in life. In a sea of pretty girls who can know how to do makeup and afford profesional haircuts and plastic surgery I will always be a rat faced swarthy bitch who goes against every beauty standard, and I'm fine with that, maybe my look will be "in" one day or someone will truly love me for more than my fuggo face who isn't as ugly as me!

No. 378202

All you can really go for is acceptance… Even if you were a 10/10 beauty there would always be someone better to compare yourself to, and you'd still have nagging insecurities about your nose or your weight because finding flaws in your appearance is just the human experience. We all end up old and wrinkly in the end anyways kek.

No. 378225

Honestly, in terms of internal valuation I actually like how Iook and feel good about myself. I know I'm nowhere near conventionally attractive, but I think how I look suits my personality and who I want to be. That should be enough. The part that gives me endless grief is the obvious unfairness that we all have to strive for conformation to a narrow standard in order to receive basic respect and consideration in life. I have to go against my self-confidence and instill nitpicky insecurity if I want success in a workplace. It's so unnatural, it's so messed up. It makes me feel like self-acceptance is an utterly futile achievement because it means nothing in the eys of a world that will crush you underfoot regardless of how you feel about yourself, if it itself does not find you beautiful.

No. 378260

I've been ugly since…forever.
My present day copes are the following
>I'm being a crybaby: there are worse problems than being ugly. Grow up and stop being a little bitch.
>Sour grapes. Most of the interactions I've seen between normal people dont interest me that much as they used to. Then again socializing on the internet is still socializing.
>When I hear what my social attractive/normal-looking peers have to put up with, my quiet boring ugly girl lifestyle doesn't sound so miserable.

No. 378261

I stopped taking selfies and looking into the mirror unless I have to. Wearing whatever I want helps too since no one gives a shit thanks to being ugly

No. 378264

>>378261
I 100% relate to wearing whatever I want because I'm hideous anyways. I look put together, Im undesirable. I look messy, Im gasp undesirable. Same difference. I do the bare minimum and nothing else.

No. 378267

I try to distract people from my ugliness by wearing cute outfits and making sure I look put together. At least that way I'll get the occasional compliment about my appearance. Best I can hope for is that round moon faces come into style after the hideous buccal fat removal craze kek

No. 378273

My biggest problem with my looks is how unphotogenic I am, part of it is my camera not capturing my looks properly (samsung s24 ultra) and the other part are my features aren't good enough or stand out enough to look good on camera. My lips look too small and round horizontally but good enough vertically, and I hate that so much, I wish they were wider a bit. I don't think theres a surgery for that, right? My nose has a deviated septum and my right profile looks different to my left profile. My right being the better side and seems to be what I'm supposed to look like if my nose didn't have that issue. It looks huge and hooked on the left but slim and straight on the right? Weird af. I also have a receded chin which makes the nose issue even more accentuated. My teeth are weird as well and make my smile looks toothy and hosre-like. Only good thing about my looks is my eyes. My eyebrows also add to the issues because they're too round they give me a stupid mannish look to me, like I'm some indian dude or something, I hate it so much. My body is also an issue because of how squre and skinnu fat it is, it's all so frustrating. My skin is fucked because my hormones are fucked, and my diet isn't the best but I'm trying to improve it, but my digestive system is broken so it's like I'm not putting any effort at all. Can't afford surgery right now or to get any medical help for my digestive system and dieting issues either.

No. 378296

>>378273
I have the same problem where my features are super unphotogenic in third person photos, and I absolutely hate having my picture taken for that reason and have since I was a teenager. I used to take a lot of selfies during my vain years, but I've significantly dialed back as my self esteem has worsened more and more. Also have terrible skin as well

No. 378525

Women always give me dirty looks to me because I'm too boyish and different from them and also ugly.men just simply ignore me.

No. 378688

>>378525
Realizing that women usually only want to befriend other women who are attractive was very eye opening as a teenager

No. 378697

>>378267
There’s so many cute outfits I want to wear but I’m too afraid to because my face is ugly and I’m scared it will draw even more attention to me. I end up not making any effort and dressing like Jesse Pinkman.

No. 378700

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>>378181
I have an incredibly long philtrum and no lips and a 6 head and I am completely hideous. Other unconventional traits individual people might still find attractive, like a big nose, or thick eyebrows, but absolutely no one is attracted to someone with an grandma-level upper lip. In school people would harass me by pretending to ask me out and then laughing in my face in a mob. I know that I will never find love because there is no woman on earth who could want to kiss my face. I feel like I’m living in a level removed from the world of others. I don’t make any friends because I can’t relate to normal people who have partners or go out clubbing. Their relationship woes and adventures just make my eyes glaze over. That sort of thing is not in my realm.
I used to think I could live with this for life, but after I feel for someone hard for the first time, I realized what I was missing and now I can’t fathom continuing to live much longer. Sometimes I find myself wishing the world would end so I wouldn’t have to kill myself and upset my family who loves me very much (unfortunately).

No. 378780

I got all the of the worst physical features from both my parents and none of their good ones. I was even an ugly baby, I never stood a chance. I miss being a little kid when I didn’t understand I was ugly yet.

No. 378801

Of course being made fun of and gawked at hurts, but to be honest, women who go out of their way to show you pity hurts worse somehow. The look on their faces makes my stomach turn. I get it, you feel like lying to me is charity. I get it, you clearly feel bad for me for being repulsive to look at. Just stop it, the kindest thing you could do is treat me normally. No normal looking person gets near-strangers and vague acquaintances coming up to them to say “you’re a nice girl anon, I’m sure you’ll find someone someday.” Like just be fucking normal. So damn infantilizing.

No. 378804

>>378700
Aw nonny, I'm pretty ugly too especially with my hooked large nostrils and I personally am much more attracted to uglier women because I feel like they're much more genuine to be around with. I know that there's a larger amount of people who are trusting of attractive people but non attractive WOMEN are the very best to me. You are very loved and inevitably everyone's looks will fade so there's no need to solely latch on to that idea. What's helped me was watching love on the spectrum kek to give me some fuel that both ugly and mentally impaired people can, so can I.

No. 378822

>>378697
I already draw a lot of attention because I'm 5'10", sometimes 6'0" in certain shoes. I know people are going to give me looks so I'm not that worried about standing out. I think of it as a way to bring my appearance up a couple points—I'd rather be ugly but well dressed than ugly and wearing sweats y'know? People are less judgey if they perceive you to be putting in more effort imo. Of course there are still some times when I wear some frumpy comfy outfits too, I just know I'll mostly be invisible that day kek

No. 382508

I know I was being extremely dramatic in >>375519 but I've been thinking about the girl who recoiled from me every day since it happened. I've seen some ugly people and I've never had the urge to recoil from them, wtf.

No. 382905

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it's hard to accept that no one is ever going to be genuinely attracted to you, in the same way you would not be attracted to anyone who looked like you. The common advice is to "date your own level" but when you get to a certain point on the ugliness scale, it's kind of impossible to feel actual attraction to your ugliness-level peers. If I could just make myself be attracted to fellow ugly people I would, and it seems like a lot of people are able to do that, or else maybe they're just in cope relationships where there's no real attraction but at least they won't be lonely. I can't do that though.

When normal-looking people talk about how great it feels when you experience mutual attraction, it makes me want to tear my face off because I know that is a feeling I will never experience.

No. 383058

Am I the only one who for some reason always expects to see myself differently THIS time I look in the mirror? Logically I know I’m ugly, I’ve been told my whole life, and I can clearly see it too, but for some reason I still stare at myself in the mirror hoping to see myself as at least average, maybe from this angle, maybe if I think about this feature differently, maybe if I squint, etc. Of course no matter how many times I stare at myself in the mirror I will never magically turn out to have been average all along. So why do I keep doing it?
Tangent, but I would take any other ugly feature over the one I have. You can work with most ugly features, or there may be someone who likes that feature, but not with the one I have. It’s universally considered ugly, it’s how all old or ugly characters are drawn. It’s a characteristic of the elderly— and I’m already ugly enough as a young person, I am scared to death of his this feature will inevitably get worse and worse over time.
I wish I had never woken up to the harm of the plastic surgery industry as a teen— if I hadn’t, I would have gotten plastic surgery by now and been so much happier, a totally different person.

No. 383099

>>383058
If it's the feature I think you're talking about, I have it too and it fucking sucks. I've even been told the surgery to fix that feature wouldn't work on me because of my facial anatomy. If I didn't have that feature I'd look almost average.

No. 383107

>>383099
Is it because it would give you too much teeth/gum show? Tbh I wish that was the case for me so I didn’t have to agonize over this— I’m actually a perfect candidate since I have no teeth show right now. But I just can’t bring myself to do it because I’d feel like such a vain hypocrite, I’m always preaching about how evil the plastic surgery industry is, I can’t just ignore or go back on that. It just sucks so much because I know it would completely fix my appearance. That, and it would feel fake to me, like anyone who became attracted to me would never have been attracted to my natural real self, which feels fucking awful.
The other reason stopping me is the fact my mom has the same feature and would take serious offense if I got it fixed. But the thing is it doesn’t look as bad on her due to her nice nose, mine is upturned an only makes it look worse and more animalistic. If you have what I have then I’m sorry. It’s really the worst, no redeeming qualities at all.

No. 383158

Hurts extra bad because I actually had a taste of beauty before, but I didn’t appreciate it. I used to be a beautiful teenager with zero effort. I had clear skin despite not showering often, I was thin despite eating junk, my hair was short in a tomboyish way. I wasn’t even taking advantage of this beauty, I was seen as “mysterious” when in reality, I was a socially anxious mess who only dressed in baggy clothes and hoodies. I turned 22, and it all went bad. My face got super bloated, my metabolism slowed down, and my hormones started giving me acne, stretch marks, and joules. I gained weight because I was used to eating whatever and nothing happening, but my fat distribution is weird, I don’t have fat arms or legs, my chest and butt are small, but I’m getting a belly that sticks out, my proportions are terrible. I’m currently trying to reverse the effects of my years of bodily destruction, but it’s harder than I thought it’d be. I’m waiting for my hair to grow out, so my joules are better hidden. I have a skin care routine, and I’m losing weight, but I used to be in the 110 pound range, and I’m currently in the 150 range. This is an improvement though, 4 months ago I was 170

No. 383159

Trying to make myself less ugly with makeup only to have the makeup get into the corners of my eyes and start stinging. Phew weeeee ouchie

No. 383161

>>383159
imo, if you're actually really ugly, like not just "a little plain" but truly ugly, wearing makeup just makes it worse, like putting lipstick on a pig. I stopped wearing it because it projected a humiliating image "look how hard she's trying to not be ugly, but oh dear, she's still ugly"

No. 383164

>>383158
not trying to hate on you but just as a vent, it makes me really frustrated when fat people complain about being ugly. You can and should lose weight, and then you will look normal. "I used to be pretty" yeah, must be nice. No matter how much weight I lose (i am thin) I will always, always be ugly due to how my face is formed. I daydream about being someone who is just fat but has a normal face, i would be so fucking motivated to work out. If that was me, I would cry with joy. You have the ability to make yourself not ugly just by effort. I don't have that. Be grateful and get to work, in my opinion.

No. 383169

>>383161
I don't know at this point my body dysmorphia automatically tells me I'm a pig and nobody ever flirts with me anymore so i guess i project quite ugly even if im not

No. 383171

>>383169
if you were actually ugly you wouldn't "not be sure". People let you know when you are ugly. You are likely just average, like most people.

No. 383179

>>383171
I don't understand why you're gatekeeping the feeling of being ugly in a thread literally designed for us to vent about our ugliness? Unless you're an avid r/vindicta idiot who thinks we all are objectively rated 1 to 10, the entire scale of attractiveness to ugliness is fluid to begin with. I was active in the other thread too jesus crikey

No. 383182

>>383179
I’m simply saying that if you were “ugly” ugly, people would have told you, and you wouldn’t have to guess. Most women who think they’re ugly are really just average with too high of standards for themselves. I’m trying to be encouraging— if you were never mocked for your appearance, if you’ve never received unsolicited comments or advice about how to improve your face, and especially if you’ve been regularly flirted with in the past like you say, you are not ugly, just a bit neurotic like most women and maybe need a style or weight change. It’s just further isolating to come into a thread for actual ugly people and read stories about not being flirted with as much, when you’re someone who has literally been assumed to be disabled based on what your face looks like. It’s a totally different experience imo.

No. 383295

On repeated occasions, I found out a bunch of beautiful people happened to be ugly on the inside. That has change my perception quite a lot. Now I value myself more.

No. 383358

>>383295
kek i'm ugly on the outside and ugly on the inside

No. 383364

>>383107
Yep that's the reason. Got that horseface phenotype in the worst way possible. I don't have an upturned nose, but it is short, so my face proportions are very awkward. I'm really sorry there's lots of factors that play into this for you. It's easy for me to say do what makes you happy, but I know it's not that simple. I hope you can either find happiness within yourself or do whatever you think is best for you eventually. From one longface anon to another

No. 383370

>>383364
ayrt– I see, yeah long face + short nose is an unusual combo. I often wish there was a procedure just to stretch the nose down a little bit. Of course that doesn't make any sense anatomically, but you know, I just wanna nudge the thing down a couple clicks or twenty on the mii maker interface.

No. 383375

lately I've stopped being able to fantasize, because I realized that my crushes would think i'm disgusting irl and would probably barf at the thought of kissing a face like mine. Knowing that takes me out of it, so I don't even escape to fantasy anymore. How are you supposed to live a celibate life while also not being able to fantasize? Being ugly really ruins so many aspects of your mental and physical health

No. 383376

>>383358
Honest question to everyone. How do you even know if you're also ugly on the inside? Is there some "intra-uglyness" quiz or something?

No. 383377

>>383376
because i dislike pretty much everyone and my soul is rotting

No. 383378

>>383370
I've had the same exact thoughts before, haha. Yeah I honestly wanted to see if there was such a thing as a nose lengthening rhinoplasty but you're right, it doesn't make any sense and I'm sure most surgeons would be confused as to why I'd want that. Honestly the only way I could look normal would prolly be double jaw surgery, but that's not in the cards

No. 383439

>>382508
I understand how you feel anon. It’s the worst when people have to make you aware of how repulsive looking you are. I’ve told this story before, but when I was a senior high school two freshman cheerleaders came up to me out of nowhere to tell me “we just wanted to tell you that you’re really pretty” and it was the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to me. Everyone sitting near me looked down at their desks trying not to cringe. The girls were probably too young to see how they came across and why that was not a good idea to do, they were just earnestly trying to take pity on me, which is the worst feeling ever to know that you’re not just a little unfortunate looking, but so outstandingly ugly that random people you’ve never even talked to pity you to the point of going out of their way to try to comfort you. A part of my soul died that day even though it’s been almost a decade.

No. 383456

I used to not care about being ugly because I decided I didn’t want a boyfriend, and when I realized that, all my insecurities from my teenage years melted away and I was pretty happy. But for some reason, I had a really late bisexual awakening, and the futile desire to date women I have crushes on has yanked my self esteem all the way back down to the depths of my high school years.
Suddenly I’m thinking all the time about things I was sure I’d never think about again, like plastic surgery and even makeup (even though the latter makes no sense for my style, I try to come across as gnc), and it feels so pathetic and horrible to be back here, especially because neither of those things would even help me, I’m unfixably ugly due to my bone structure and feature placement. Feels so, so bad. I thought I was over this. I’m ashamed of myself and mourning the romantic life I could have had if I had been born with a different face. Because it’s like, men are shit so I don’t care and it never felt like a loss, but this feels like a loss. However nonsensical that might be.
My life would be so much better if I never had that awakening. It’s caused me so much suffering, when before I was getting by okay. Now I’m suicidally depressed like I haven’t been in years. Life just keeps throwing me curveballs that hit me right in the stomach.

No. 383514

>>383376
I'm just not a good person in addition to being ugly. I know I'm not a good person, I've done terrible things and am too mentally fucked to ever qualify as one

No. 383605

>>383182
Untrue lol I know I'm ugly because I have an actual jaw deformity noticably offsetting my jaw and jutting it out that I've been told by multiple orthos to get surgical treatment for and I have shit skin but I've never been told to my face that I'm ugly. You can be ugly and lucky enough that people aren't overt assholes about it.
>>383514
Mood.

No. 383608

>>383456
I’m bi but I feel like impressing and dating women is really hard. I date men simply because it’s easier.
Most moids don’t care if you’re a loser or kinda ugly they’ll just take anything they can get. Women have higher standards for a partner (and rightly so) I feel like I don’t meet their standards at all. I remember going on a date with a very high flying career woman power lesbian type and as soon as she found out I wasn’t earning over 100K a year she just left the date because she wasn’t interested in someone not on her level.

No. 383699

How do you cope with feeling like a genetic failure? Both my parents are beautiful people, but somehow I got all of their worst physical traits combined. On a very basic, evolutionary level, others reject me as a mate due to my appearance (no hate, I would too) and in that way I am filtered out of the gene pool like a deformed rat. It makes me feel like I was a mistake of nature destined to be cast aside as a genetic fluke. It makes me wonder, why am I still living when nature is giving me such a clear message?

No. 383720

>>383605
ngl you may be able to get it covered with insurance if your orthos are suggesting surgery. i had a friend who had a cute upper half of his face but he had some extreme underbite that i'm 90% sure he'd qualify for some surgery insurance coverage for (and i don't mean braces) it made his jaw look huge. i don't know if anyone ever made fun of him for it. if the top half of your face is cute enough it probably counteracts enough of your jaw issue that people don't care

No. 383721

>>383699
Both my parents are shilled as beautiful. They don't even try. My mom, for most of her life, didn't even use conditioner on her hair. She would just shampoo and let her hair airdry. It would form the most beautiful curls at the end with no frizz. She never used makeup, and all she did was moisturize, and that's it. People commented on how pretty she was all the time. Meanwhile, not only I look ugly, I barely look like them. I know I'm their daughter, but I kid you not, I thought my mom cheated on my dad because I have a nose that nobody in the family has. I can see I'm a mixture of them, but a mixture in the sense that someone put them in a blender and added some abhorrent slime with it, and it resulted in me. My family knows I'm ugly and tries so hard to make me feel better by saying shit like, "At least you got hazel eyes!". As if hazel eyes would fix the vile bone structure of my face kek. I honestly coped by seeing how fucked up in the head they are. Being beautiful didn't shield my parents from bad things, neither did it help them achieve the important stuff they have. They still cheated on each other with way uglier people too. It sucks being ugly, but being beautiful doesn't guarantee as much I thought it did.

No. 383726

>>383608
It's weird, I have the totally opposite experience. People always say dating men is easier but men have always picked apart my looks and most of my bullying came from men. I've been rejected and ignored by them completely. Women seem to like me though, and while relationships never worked out I never felt like it was my appearance that was the issue. This would make more sense if I were butch but I'm actually pretty femme, I think. Maybe that's what angers men? idk

>>383699
I moved away from my family and try to avoid them as much as possible. There are other reasons for doing so but this is an added benefit. Sorry, that's probably not terribly helpful. Are they cruel to you about it?

No. 383727

>>383699
Oh same, and I have a sibling who won the genetic lottery to be compared to too, on top of him being male and being more valued in our culture. The only solution in the long run is to just leave and seek your own value. It's there, but you'll never know it until you get out of the environment that constantly tells you you were born not enough.

No. 383728

>>383608
>>383726
I feel like dating women is definitely harder in the sense that we're generally more wary of being used or getting into a bad relationship situation whereas men just want to score at any cost (and the classic dilemma of how women HATE making the first move or putting in effort to get things started). but the flip side is that it's more common for women to be seriously into features that aren't conventionally attractive, and women are more likely to be looking for love as opposed to just finding a hot girlfriend to impress their friends. so I guess it could go either way.

No. 383790

>>383727
ayrt, that’s so rough. My younger brother (21) isn’t super handsome or anything, but he looks normal and is decently attractive. I feel really lucky he’s too lazy and mentally ill to have had a girlfriend yet. He went on a date once in high school and I internally seethed so hard, and was glad when it didn’t turn into anything. I know that makes me a terrible person. But when he gets his first girlfriend I’m going to be despondent. Because he’s such a piece of shit (lazy, messy, ungrateful, egotistical) compared to me (not that I’m an amazing person, but at least I function and groom myself) so it will prove that looks really are everything. And it will also sting watching my parents be happy for him, see the relief on their faces that at least one of their children was good enough to find a mate. They don’t ask me or talk to me about dating at all, probably because even they can see that I’m way too ugly to have any success. In turn, I act like I’m not interested in dating because to admit otherwise would be even more humiliating.
>>383726
I don’t want to move away from my family, they’re very nice to me actually, and are the only people I can socialize with since I lost touch with all my friends. Which makes me feel more pathetic, no partner, no friends, no admirers, no social life— just an ugly 25 year old woman paying her parents rent to live in their house like a failure of a child. When I look at my situation objectively it fuels my suicide plans. My birthday is coming up and I will be 26, the age my mom was when she had me, still living like this, with no achievements, career, social, or romantic, to my name. I will feel terrible doing that to my parents, but it’s clear that I am not meant to exist and it’s excruciating to live as a genetic and social anomaly and feel the judge mental eyes of society and extended family.

No. 383799

i hate that i have a short neck. all the chubby girls i see still have slim faces because they have long necks and i don't. this shit makes me rounder than i originally am. even when i was thinner, i was still insecure how my short neck gives me an extra chin, just by looking down. i also hate my short fingers, they're already fat looking, my weight gain just made it obvious. it doesn't help i have thinning hair like the rest of my dad's side, especially the men.

its really unfair how my cousins from both sides of the family inherited all of the good features and i ended up getting the ugly parts of the family. we'd all gather around and i just be the ugly cousin. everyone tries to cheer me up but it just makes me hate myself even more.

No. 383807

Okay here is a few things I use to cope.

>Stop caring, I know it is not easy in this superficial society. But there is nothing wrong with being ugly. Not everyone needs to beautiful.

>Find something else to feel good about. Maybe you are good at your job, hobby or sports? Maybe funny, smart or caring?
>If there is absolutely nothing you can think of, maybe the problem is low self esteem instead of ugliness
>Try to find a style that you feel comfortable in, emphasize any good features
>Quit social media, it will make anyone feel ugly

Hope this helps at all, I know this is "just be yourself" tier stuff but if you manage to internalise it can work.

No. 383824

Thinking back on when I worked in public facing jobs and customers would always ask me where my other coworkers were if I was there instead, commenting on how cute they are. Or in another job, people favoring my coworker's registers over mine because they're cuter than me, even if my awkward ugly ass tried my best to be nice to everyone. Like ok I get it, you'd rather talk to them than me, fucking creepy ass moid. I shouldn't be jealous of my coworkers and be thankful that I never had to deal with creeps in my life (unless they were drunk enough), but just being told to your face that they don't wanna be served by you stings so much.

No. 384272

I just saw a video of me talking. Holy shit, I had no idea I look even worse while talking. My upper lip hangs down completely over my top teeth and my cheeks bunch up into grandma-level droopy nasolabial jowls. Gutting revelation that I’ve been looking like this when I talk to people this whole damn time, oh my god. And there’s nothing I can do about it. And it’s only going to get worse from here! The fucking horror

No. 384411

It’s so impossible to cope with being ugly in this day and age where you’re expected to use Zoom for meetings and classes all the time. Your ugly face is always right there staring back at you reminding you what you look like and what everyone else is seeing.

No. 384460

>>384411
This but also mirrors being everywhere in your daily life, and when taking group pictures with friends.

No. 384473

>>384460
When I used to have friends that was the worst. Always the ugliest one, and everyone knew it. They’d pick photos I wasn’t in to post online, like I never even was at the get-together. Too ugly to even be acknowledged as a part of the friend group.

No. 385256

I was feeling pretty confident in myself at work today, walking with confident strides, and then I went into the restroom and caught sight of myself in the mirror and I deflated like a balloon. I look so fucking ridiculous, when I’m walking around all confident it’s like my subconscious tricks itself into thinking I’m normal looking even though in reality I’m extremely abnormal looking. I’ve always wondered why it seems like no matter what I wear, my clothes always look “off” on me in a way they wouldn’t on anyone else, like I’m a developmentally disabled adult prancing around in a costume of a normal person, and I realized that it’s got to be mostly due to my face, i don’t know how, but it’s like it gives an air of incompetence to the rest of my body just by being connected to it. I feel like an awkward clown, and I’ve tried so hard for so long to “fix” my impression with fashionable clothes and a haircut that suits me (as well as any haircut can, so it’s a low bar) but I think it’s actually impossible. My face and head will always throw everything off. It’s incompatible with the impression of a put-together adult woman, no matter what I wear. What do I even do? Is there seriously nothing I can do to not have a freaky retard impression?
Why did I have to be born with this skull and face?

No. 385383

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I find it really difficult to try to stay happy when I know I'm one of those people that others see and think
>"oh wow, poor thing. I'm so glad I'm not as ugly as her. Things could be worse."
Because everywhere you go, that is people's first gut-level reaction to you. How are you supposed to cope with that knowledge? That you can never go anywhere without immediate negative or pitying judgement from anyone who sees you? This is a heavy emotional weight that average-looking people just don't understand when they tell you
>it doesn't matter how you look, all it takes is some confidence!
No matter how confident I act, this will always be my reality.

No. 385385

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Was anyone else not a horrifically ugly child, but then puberty hit and your face changed beyond recognition? I wasn’t always as ugly as I am now, it started around middle school when I hit puberty. My face got too long, my fat distribution got fucked up, and my nose almost completely changed shape. I’ve been compared to Fuchi from Junji Ito’s universe, but without her height and bad fat distribution. It’s over for me.

No. 385394

>>385385
i was a cute young child then mouth breathing and braces (made my mouth smaller/harder to breathe) ruined my face.

No. 385395

>>385385
Not really, I was ugly from the time I was a born, literally. Do you ever see someone's baby and are like oh damn that's an unfortunate looking baby? That was me. I never had a chance.

No. 385396

>>385385
I was apparently very beautiful as a child but after I hit puberty my nose grew humongous and I developed something of an underbite

No. 385399

>>385385
>>385395
I showed a picture of myself when I was 7 to a friend (I'm 22 now) and she was like "wow you haven't changed that much!" That shattered my world. My mom told me that when I was a baby, people would tease her about my looks and how I look like a monkey and ask her if I'm really her daughter and there wasn't some mix up in the hospital or something. I look more like my dad than my mom so that explains why people were shocked, but to call me a monkey……I will never recover from that. Sad part is, I kinda see it when I look at the mirror or a picture of myself.

No. 385400

>>385399
Ayrt, my friend saw a pic of me as a baby and immediately compared it to a famously ugly old man in my country

No. 385436

>>385394
Braces also ruined my mouth. The doctor insisted on two rounds and I ended up with gum recession. I was an okay looking kid and puberty and braces turned me into a hideous spore

No. 385975

It’s so jarring to have to put my face close to a mirror for grooming purposes because all I can think about is how dog-like and ugly I am this close up, and that this is the view someone would see if I leaned in to kiss someone. I’d run screaming for the hills. I look bad enough from farther back, but the way the close distance exaggerates my worst features is so revolting and it makes me want to kill myself. No one will ever be drawn in to kiss me, they’d regret it as soon at they got close even if they were able to get over the idea from afar. God damn. Why do I look like a damn bull dog. Why do other women get to look normal and I get to look like a fucking downsy ape chimera. It’s just not fucking fair, like I didn’t do anything to deserve to be born looking like this but I was and it ruins my entire life before it ever started. What is the god damn point?

No. 386102

two entirely separate people said extremely hurtful things to me about my face today out of nowhere, I was in a rare good mood too until those comments. It makes me feel like god is real and using his powers just to hurt me. Like what are the odds? I really feel like I'm being pummeled to death by god and he is laughing at my pain. It all feels purposeful that I'm knocked down every time I manage to lift myself up.

No. 386544

There’s a woman who works the front security desk at my job who compliments every woman who checks in on some aspect of her appearance, and it’s laughable how it goes:
>”Chelsea, you have BEAUTIFUL eyes honey!”
>”Sarah, hello you gorgeous gorgeous girl!”
>”Anon, good morning.”
>”Bella, how are you today you pretty little thing?”

No. 386557

>>386544
Could be worse, men are already considered ugly if they're just average looking or below 6ft. It's way easier to be attractive if you're a female, but you bitches only want Chads to commit to you, instead of going for your looksmatch.(moid)

No. 386558

do y’all resent your parents for having you? i do very often

No. 386566

I look so troonish, like the euphoria fag. I also have the height, so I'm scared of people thinking I'm a moid.
I wish I was short and cute so badly, I'm unironically the "old white girl seething about pretty idols" header.

>>386558
Sometimes I want to yell at them, when they talk about their relatives/friends' kids and their relationships too much (vs me who obviously can't find a partner). But my parents aren't really ugly, I somehow just got all their negative traits combined.

It's insane just how important being attractive is, it's not just about finding a partner, studies show that even babies are already treated according to their looks.
I also remember being kindergarten age and some old relatives praising how pretty a cousin of mine had gotten. When they caught me looking at them they quickly added "You too, anon" but even back then at that young age I immediately understood that this was a lie.

I don't know how to cope, I basically just daydream about being a gorgeous celebrity 24/7.
On top of that very recently I suddenly aged so quickly, it's like my terrible lifestyle caught up with me overnight. So now I can't even cope about at least being young anymore…

No. 386569

>>386558
I would if they had any indication their daughter would be ass-ugly, but they’re both decently attractive so there’s no way they could have known they’d spawn a dog-faced girl. I do resent the universe though because I can’t come to terms with the fact that I miss out on so much in life due to the face I was born with. It’s so massively unfair it just makes me rage inside. Other people can find a partner they’re attracted to, while I get yelled at on the street about how ugly I am. What did I do to deserve this life? I just can’t cope with the fact I did nothing to deserve this and yet still the only life I’ll ever have is this one. I get so unspeakably jealous of normal looking people, it makes me so angry inside that I struggle to function at times. I’m so mad at the universe for the hand I got dealt, I can’t deal with living at all. I definitely wish I was never born.

No. 386586

>>386566
Anon I am the same, constantly daydreaming in an effort to forget my real face. I keep praying some god will listen to my prayers and I'll wake up in a different body, one that I actually like.

No. 386596

>>384411
>>384460
>>384473

I remember being in a university party that had photographers. I noticed the table I was sitting in was photographed multiple times. Later I heard one chick that was taking photos talking to her friend "sad that I cant post some otherwise nice photos because people dont look good in them." When I looked at the the photos online, only pictures where I was missing or backwards to camera were included. Everyone that was sitting next to me had multiple pictures of them.

>tfw so ugly I got censored

No. 386598

>>386596
Also I studied fucking electrical engineering, so its not like I was compared to insta model stacies either.

No. 386615

how would you want your friends to talk to you about this is issue whenever you bring it up? i can imagine that fake gaslighting „nooo, you‘re so pretty“ would depress me even more. does it hurt you when your friends talk about looks in general, even if it‘s just about what moids look like for example?

No. 386656

>>386615
I don’t have friends, but I wouldn’t want to talk about it at all. Everyone knows, no need to verbalize it

No. 386685

>>386615
Male friend told me I'm average or slightly above average compared to the rest of the people of my country since incest and malnutrition runs rampant in it, but I think he's just being nice. While my female friends do the gaslighting thing and say shit like "love yourself", they're no lookers themselves and they're nice so I let it slide. The only pretty one also told me the same thing. I wish they'd just be honest with me.
On the topic of looks, I looked at my old ID picture from when I was 16 and weighed 36 kgs (I was ill at the time), and I looked HORRIBLE in that, then I looked at my most recent ID picture where I weighed 42 kgs and I'm 21 in, and I still had some things off but looked better face shape wise with more developed bone structure and less skin issues. Still look messed up though and it makes me sad. And I'm still ill and stressed out with imbalanced hormones, so I'll probably never escape this hell.

No. 386687

>>386566
I also look like a tranny. I’m not that tall or broad, I just have a very masculine face.

No. 386689

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>>385400
Who? Why do I get the feeling it’s Wagner?
Did you look like Wagner nonna?

No. 386695

I think I'm average in terms of my face but my hair is falling out. Im balding like a man. I feel very alone in this experience. Especially since I'm a woman. My mom/dads family dont have a history of balding. I guess I just got unlucky. My heart sank when I was at a family gathering and seeing all my aunts and cousins walk around with their long hair. I remember them even complimenting on one of my cousins hair. I felt so sad. Ive never been that pretty. I grew to accept that at a young age. Ive always felt very unwomanly in general. Even before my balding arc lol. Didn't help that most of my relatives are short and petite. This must be a joke. My family is full of beautiful women. I got to make being a weird bald bitch my thing now. I remember when I started opening up about this with one of my friends, she said, "Thats just gonna make you more unique." LOL

No. 386699

>>386695
Not to make this a competition, but I’m also losing all my hair at 24, AND my face is ugly as fuck (everyone tells me) so just remember, it could always be worse. I genuinely want to die.

No. 386703

>>386685
42kg is still too low. I was severely thin too and i looked much uglier back then than I do now. When I gained weight to the point I'm healthy I kept getting compliments on my hair, face and figure which all got better once I stopped being sick.
I was never anorexic but I always ate little, i had to force myself to gain weight but i dont regret it.

No. 386707

>>386689
Honestly I wish it was him, I could be salvageable.
I once did that AI face thing that finds your celebrity lookalikes, and all my top results were 55+ year old ugly scrotes. I am really that ugly. I’ve never even once been complimented on any aspect of my appearance, and people go out of their way to let me know I’m ugly. People who cry about being average and not supermodel level attractive make me furious, they are so incredibly lucky and yet they have the nerve to complain about it? I would do anything to be average.

No. 386710

>>386707
Ai lookalikes are super inaccurate though. Dont take the seriously.

No. 386713

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>>386710
No, it was accurate. One of the results was even the same scrote I was compared to as a baby.
I literally feel ridiculous sometimes just walking around with my face. It’s like I’m wearing a cheap Halloween mask that would be inappropriate to wear in most settings, except it’s my actual face so I can’t take it off. It feels like a joke to do my hair and wear professional clothes when in the center of it all is a ridiculous face

No. 386715

>>386713
this might sound ridiculous but why won't you start dressing as a goth? if you look like a gremlin then dressing like one would just suit it i feel like certain alt-styles suit ugly people better like certain gothic styles (not the tiktok instababe mall goth stuff) or crust punk or something.

No. 386716

>>386715
Well, I mostly look like an old man, and I am short with very short legs so there is no style that would suit me. Tryhard styles would look especially ridiculous on my frame imo. My closet is very safe and boring because there isn’t anything fun I could pull off with dachshund legs and pear fat distribution (despite being skinny).

No. 386719

>>386716
by alt-styles what i really mean isn't like, styles copied straight from tiktok or internet because obviously if there's a certain look you copy people are always going to compare you to the attractive people they see in social media, but actually like dressing in the old school way, using your grandma's funeral dress and old clothes kind of deal. thrifting and taking inspiration from alt-styles without copying. i know some ugly people who dress in genuinely unique ways and honestly their ugliness kinda adds to their vibe, when they really manage to dress in a way that can't be compared too much to anyone else and especially fashion influencer types.

No. 386721

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>>386719
like this guy. you obviously can't look this flamboyant in everyday life, but honestly them not having the most attractive face out there only adds to their look and has way more street cred in a sense compared to prettier people.

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>>386721
or here, the dreaded hook nose that everyone wants to rhinoplasty away becomes part of the aristocratic vampire look. it elevates her style. it doesn't necessarily have to be gothic style, it is a fashion that isn't convenient for every day life, but some unique style where no one could say that hey you have to look like all those influencer babes on the internet because looking like them isn't even the point in the end if you dress freaky.

No. 386727

>>386721
I do get what you’re saying, but I’ve really got the face of a wild pig, chimpanzee, and German grandpa combined kek, that guy is a top super model compared to me. When you have a very long distance between your snub nose and thin upper lip + no cheekbones, just flab at the bottom of your face, heavy caveman brow, and small weird eyes, there’s just not anything that can salvage that and I’d prefer to just blend in clothes-wise so that less people go out of their way to look at me. If I could dress how I really wanted, I’d go for a 60s or 70s look, but it’s too hard to find items for it.

No. 386731

>>386727
>If I could dress how I really wanted, I’d go for a 60s or 70s look
it's a fun coincidence you say that because one of the most stylish less attractive person i know dresses in 70s prog rock style, she's overweight and doesn't have a model's face but her style is so unique it fits her. if she tried to look like anyone else no one would never compliment her but because she really knows how to dress well an in a unique way people always compliment her looks. she usually gets her clothes second hand and often modifies them herself. i think that's also why it works, because she doesn't go for store bought look but matches second hand things with stuff she modifies herself so her outfits look more "real" compared to those who just copy it straight from some online personality. like you don't need to start dressing in eye-catching way and just go ahead and blend in, but if you're so ugly anyway, honestly, what's there to lose? if you think you look so horrible then why not look horrible looking the way you want to look like, at least. is it going to make much difference in the end if people are going to treat you like shit anyway?

No. 386733

>>385385
I literally look like that picture lol it's over.

No. 386814

>>386731
not the anon you're replying to but i love your attitude nona, you rock

No. 387150

i dont know how to cope. i hate the sunken in skin below my eyes, my fat nose. my boyfriend avoids saying anything nice about my appearance. its just too much to handle

No. 387227

sometimes i forget how ugly i really am and trick myself into thinking i look okay, even good sometimes. then i glance at the mirror and get a candid view of my shrimp posture, leafy side profile, and freakishly long neck. was supposed to go out to dinner with my mom but im on my period and my skin is so gross and shitty. i just cried and told her im not going. there will always be a part of me that wants to be viewed as beautiful regardless of how hard i try to live in a vacuum where "i dont care how i look, its fine if nobody ever thinks im attractive" but thats just not how it works. i can never fight it in the end, can i? there will always be days where i look in the mirror and remember people can look at my face and body and there's nothing i can do about it. I played sallyface when i was younger and still to this day i have times where i fantasize about just being able to hide my entire face. i just want to be good enough to not feel the need to hide myself away from humanity. their eyes burn into my skin, i hate people so much.

No. 387237

DAE feel guilty about going outside? I want to take walks because I know it'll make me feel better but then I feel bad that people are being exposed to me. Sunny days are the worst because the sun somehow makes me feel guilty for being alive.

No. 387253

>>387150
>my boyfriend avoids saying anything nice about my appearance.
Honestly? Kill him.

No. 387277

Recently I started to get hyperfocused on how my face "pulls off" when I smile, especially from the side, and how my teeth would project so hard and make my lips looks flat and small and just give me a ghoulish look. I hate it so much.

No. 387413

My old photo on my drivers license is so ugly 1. I felt the need to edit the photo with FaceApp before sending it somewhere and 2. FaceApp recognized it as male (I don’t have short hair or anything actually I look exactly like a Native American chief in that photo)

No. 388315

How do I know if I'm ugly or not? I've never had anyone make fun of my looks but I've never gotten a compliment from anyone except my mom.

I've had alot of friends growing up and still do so I know people don't find me repulsive, but at the same time no one finds me pretty. I've never had a boyfriend or anyone who even attempted to hit on me except old creepy men on the street.

No. 388323

>>388315
You're not ugly. If you're ugly, people let you know. A car of teenage boys stopped next to my car at a red light and when I turned to look at them they all started laughing and yelling about how ugly I was. The week before, someone told me I look much better with a mask on. I was bullied growing up for being ugly. People would pretend to ask me out as a joke and then laugh in my face. If you are actually ugly, you don't have to wonder.

You are average. Be grateful.

No. 388536

i have no idea if i am truly ugly or have body dysmorphia. it's hard to rate and judge my face. people have rated me as an 8-9/10 but i genuinely can't tell if they're pitying me or not.

No. 388540

>>388536
like i had some moments which some strangers and family members told me i am ugly directly and i got hit on once. i feel like i am in an endless cycle of feeling normal to feeling like i am too disgusting to look at.

No. 388541

>>388536
you've gotta be kidding me. Go brag literally anywhere else, please.

No. 388548

>>388536
They are definitely pitying you.

No. 388549

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>>388536
If you're never hit on, consistently ignored, and people use your appearance first when insulting you, you're ugly. If you've never experienced this in your life then you're most likely normal. 8-9? Give me a break lol

No. 388552

>>388549
i got my face compared to a fat fish, so i know now lol

No. 388556

>>388552
I'm just seeing your double post now though. I'm sorry that happened to you and feel for you. On the other hand: look at the cow threads here. There are plenty of average to above average looking cows who consistently get called ugly or insulted for minor details about their faces, and it's just because anons hate them. So who knows, really. If you get treated differently compared to other female peers though it may be a sign

No. 388590

>>388536
8-9 would be like model tier looks, you'd know if you were attractive if you were one unless you had major body dysmorphia. You're probably just average or a little above average.

No. 394617

I remember once when i was 14 and walking home from school, two guys walked past me and one of them said something along the lines of "jesus christ you're ugly" straight to my face while the other one just laughed. This experience still haunts me today, kinda funny though.

No. 394622

Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys being gross? I love having lengthy monologues about how all men should wax their body hair while airing out my rainforest pits. I have a big jaw so in my mind I'm just a female gigachad. I love chatting up any guy I find to be really cute in front of his buddies and they're always super upset someone wayyy below their league would think they have a chance. I make fun of chinlets and tower over them with my tall stature. I never put on a bra and have never been sexualised about it. I walk around completely free, triggering moids to hell and back on my way. Why do you girls care so much?

No. 394643

>>394622
Honestly, being ugly does have it perks. I don't really shave my body either, but at the same time i hate super hairy men and i don't feel a shred of guilt about it. I know this is a controversial take, but i do credit my ugly looks for saving me from getting harassed by men. Imo, if you are truly gross, men really leave you alone and most of the women who say otherwise are at least average looking enough to be palatable to moids. Even though in theory i should cake my acne scar ridden face with makeup, i rarely ever wear it because it's pointless to make myself uncomfortable to please anyone. I also see putting makeup on as putting glitter over shit, i don't see how it's really changing my face, if anything it's making my situation worse by clogging my pores. I don't really pluck my eyebrows or make an effort to dress nice or at least in a way that's palettable. I feel like this is the kind of idgaf energy can only arise if you were born ugly. It does makes me depressed sometimes when all i have phases where all i want to do is fit in, don't get me wrong, but if i was more attractive then i would have to worry about aging or losing my looks. I have no looks to lose, i'm already as bad as it gets.

No. 394649

>>394622
Kek I genuinely enjoy your apparent zest for life.

No. 394677

>>394622
kek well most nonas want to eventually find a partner who isn't grossed out by them

No. 394694

I wish we had a discord server for this topic

No. 394697

>>394677
Why do a bunch of pointless expensive beauty rituals just so a moid who can barely wipe his own ass properly won't find you "disgusting" though? Self confidence is going to attract someone who loves you for you, not because your whole body is hairless and that you're wearing a pushup bra.

No. 394700

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>>394677
99% of males are hideous so there's not much difference between what a 6/10 and a 3/10 will pull. There are too many gorgeous women so the majority of them will have to date males WAY under their league. Not even beauty can save you. Males are never truly disgusted by women because their whole purpose is to chase us and settle with any woman who will take them. All of the looks-shaming is for show. You could approach a 10/10 and he'd still fuck you if he's horny enough. It's all about timing. Unless you've got supermodel looks we're all stuck in the same hell hole. And even then you'd probably be getting raped by Harvey Weinstein. You should prioritize your education as having a high income will permit you to date wealthy moids and hire gorgeous whores. Or you could pay for your ugly scrotes' plastic surgery. Usually rich people only marry other rich people and looks don't matter too much. At the end of the day, uglies win. Men have liberated themselves from beauty standards by collectively being hideous and doing nothing to fix it. Life is unfair, one can only accept it or kill herself. Acceptance doesn't mean awaiting your demise like a sacrificial lamb, it means doing whatever it takes to achieve your goal. It's a fighter mindset. It's not the 1800s anymore and you're not being sold to the highest bidder. Believe it or not, you're still more beautiful than any given male. Women have neoteny and males don't. Our futures are inherently loveable and God's light shines through our eyes. Think about it like this, an "ugly" cat can still be cute. Because it's a kitty cat! This is also true of "ugly" women. Don't see yourself through the eyes of someone else. Look into the mirror and see this:

No. 394745

>>394700
nta but I love you for this post.

No. 394754

>>394700
not trying to be an asshole but moids that go after average looking women are often plagued with issues worse than the average chad or normie moid. If some average moid doesn't care about your looks you still end up in a shit situation. Everyone is fighting for the 1 in 1000 moid who has a good education, looks presentable, and has a properly balanced life. If you are ugly you are less likely to get that moid, and if you are less attractive than your moid be ready for every homewrecking retard to be tempting your moid 24/7. Looks matter but not for the reasons people think they do, the true benefit of being attractive is being able to be more selective.

No. 394857

>>394700
>Our futures are inherently loveable
This was truly sweet, nice post nonna

No. 394860

>>394700
This post was such a wild ride and ended on a surprisingly sweet note, thank you anon

No. 396080

>>394754
being attractive isn't gonna stop other women from trying to get your nigel to cheat on you. Whether or not they feel threatened by your appearance, there will still be an incentive to be a homewrecker because moid attention is their life force and they think it's something to brag about

No. 396403

>>396080
Unfortunately true. I think there was even a study that showed most men consider the woman they cheated with less attractive than their wife. Rich men frequently bang their ugly 40 year old third world maids despite having a beautiful wife.

No. 396404

i was really hot when i was in my 20s but now i am so frumpy and ugly. it's like im looking at a different person. what the fuck is this? does anyone else feel this way? am i mentally ill? people say i look so young for my age but i feel like a hag

No. 396405

>>396404
This thread is for actually ugly people, not women complaining about not looking 20 in their 30s. Jfc.

No. 396406

>>396405
it's a good thing beauty standards and caring about how you look goes away at midnight on your 30th birthday right? :) i am genuinely ugly now, i aged like shit and now i am here(no emoticons)

No. 396410

>>396406
newfag, integrate and stop being retarded. Enjoy your ban.

No. 396414

>>394677
The route of female body dysmorphia is knowing how much your looks will destroy your dating prospects. When you stop caring about moids in any capacity, then you stop caring so much about the way you look and you can be free. Looks are the only thing that men care about from women and i don't think anyone should settle for a moid who doesn't think they are hot as fuck without engaging in expensive beauty rituals.

No. 396464

>>396414
This is just not true. Body dysmorphia is way more complicated than just being afraid no one wants to date you. For me at least, it's anxiety that no one will value you in any capacity- as a friend, as a family member, as a coworker, etc. because you are shamefully ugly. It's anxiety about going outside and having every single passing stranger judge you and think you're revolting. I wish it was a simple as just learning to not care about what moids think.

No. 396618

>>396414
Not really true I feel very insecure in front of other women too, not just men

No. 396627

I’m definitely still well below average in looks, but something I was not expecting at all was that aging is actually making my face look a lot better and less weird. I’m 25 and I feel like I’ve finally arrived at my “full adult” face, no more of the teenagery look, it looks less soft and more defined in a subtle way I can’t put my finger on. I have the first hints of smile lines, which on one level disturbs me because I’m not used to having any permanent lines in my skin, but on another level I kind of think they suit me somehow. It’s weird to look in the mirror and finally think “oh, that’s a fully grown woman” and not a kid, so that’s something I’m getting used to. But I think woman-me looks… more purposefully sculpted, like my features (while still not beautiful) seem to go together as a set now whereas before they seemed like random aimless letters floating in an bowl of alphabet soup. I’m probably not making any sense kek

No. 396658

>>396414
like other anons said, it's not always about men or dating. Ime most people who called me ugly were other women and family members.

No. 401491

I am angry about it today. No matter how much effort I put in to look neat and clean and well-groomed and dressed and physically fit, I still always look repulsive due to the face I was born with. If you’ve ever met someone who is so ugly that you have an immediate and involuntary disgust reaction, that is me. I make everyone’s day just that little bit more unpleasant just due to having to look at my face when they speak to me. And there’s not a single fucking thing I can do about it. I am angry at all the people in the world who look normal. They don’t even appreciate it. They’re busy wishing they could look like bella hadid or some shit while taking for granted the fact that peoples’ first reaction to seeing their face isn’t automatic disgust.
As I get older, it gets even worse. The fact that my current repulsive face is the best I will ever look and it will only deteriorate further the longer I live is outrageous. I think it’s unfair that I’d get any uglier than I already am, isn’t this enough suffering?
The beautiful people I love to look at were born with those features and I love them more just because I like looking at them. Everyone is this way. Everyone likes to look at beautiful thing, and avoids looking at unpleasant things. I am the unpleasant thing.
Also, I already have, just naturally, so many mental issues that I can’t fit in with any group. That causes me enough suffering. But on top of that, I also have to have a hideous outer appearance? It’s like a cruel joke. Why was I born this way? What did I do in a past life to warrant being born with so much wrong with me in every single fucking way? I want a do-over. I want to be able to roll the dice before my birth again and come out different. My existence is intolerable to me.

No. 401494

>>401491
Your anger is valid nona. The world is horribly cruel and dehumanizing to unattractive women.

No. 401498

>>401494
It is, but that’s not even really what I’m talking about. Even well-meaning, kind people have that instinctive disgust reaction to ugly things. Even ugly people have that reaction to other ugly people. It’s how good people are at hiding it thar determines if they’re “nice” or not, but the base internal reaction is still the same. I hate being an object of knee-jerk disgust and revulsion. I hate it so much that I wish I did not exist because being aware of it is torture.

No. 401511

>>382905
This is why I feel horrible about fantasizing about my crushes. They would be beyond disgusted to know that someone who looks like me has those thoughts about them. But I can’t switch to fantasizing about other ugly people on my own level because well, we’re ugly. Not even ugly people fantasize about ugly people. Basically if you’re this ugly, you’re doomed to never experience the natural mutual attraction that nearly everyone else in the world gets to at least once in their lives. It’s all I want and it will never happen. I’m bored with life without love. I think I’ll tap out in a few more years once I’ve gotten a chance to do some bucket list items.

No. 401551

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I often wish to get in some accident that slightly disfigures my face so that I have a “good reason” to be as ugly as I am. So that people might feel a bit of compassion towards me because the ugliness won’t be my natural fault anymore, and instead just bad luck, or a sign of strength to overcome. Does anyone know what I mean?

No. 401582

>>401491
>>401498
it's pretty easy to get used to a face. i had a couple of friends with whom i had that initial reaction of 'oh geez, your face' and felt really bad about, but as i grew to enjoy spending time with them i genuinely enjoyed looking at them, they just became normal girls who looked as cute to me as any other girl. haven't you ever met anyone you had that first reaction to?

No. 401586

>>401582
Same, I have some pretty unattractive friends, because misery loves company, but I am used to their faces and enjoy them. I once worked with a very unattractive woman that looked slightly like one of my friends and I felt automatic warmth towards her because of that association.
That said maybe that's the uggo in me talking kek. My ugliness tolerance is quite high. I feel like average/attractive people have a very low tolerance for ugliness and have the automatic disdain for them. Look at how many anons here seethe about women in videos games becoming uglier, the same way moids do. And the same who think conventional looking Chad men belong in ugly man psy op.

No. 401587

>>401582
I mean… not really. I guess I "got used to" the faces of some people though. It reminds me, I had a lot of ugly friends in high school– for some reason we were all ugly, and even they all decided I was the ugliest of all of them. That was saying something. To be the ugliest one in a group of uglies, to the point that even they tell you you're unsalvageable.
I didn't quite realize just how ugly I was until that moment. I knew I wasn't pretty, but I had no idea I was hideous. I even delusionally thought I was better looking than a couple of them, just on the logic that they were basically as ugly as you could get, so nothing could be underneath them. Hearing them get rated much higher over me was a harsh awakening.

No. 401632

it drives me fucking insane how one side of my face is almost average, but the other side is easily -10000/10. I'm an artist and I am trained to spot spatial relationships and subtle differences in proportion, and even I can't figure out what exactly is different about one side vs the other. From the front I look relatively symmetrical. But from the sides it's 2 different people. How can it be so subtle that I can't even put my finger on it but simultaneously be so devastating a difference? One side literally looks like an ogre, I am not joking, and the other one looks "normal"(comparatively). It makes me feel like I'm tricking people if they are sitting to my left, I don't actually look that normal from the other side, and it's like a fucking jump scare. I even shock myself in the mirror when I turn to check the other side of my hair and see the ogre I forgot about.

No. 401636

>>401632
I'm like this when constipated for too long
One side starts drooping

No. 401642

>>401632
I struggle with the same thing. Right side and right wise 75% angle I could easily be a model, left side looks like the mouth breather meme because of my crooked gigantic nose that is only that way from the left, making my chin and jaw look receeded when all dentists I went to told me it's not and my teeth are perfect, my wisdom teeth all grew and found space in my mouth and I didn't need to remove them because I have a big enough but still elegant and feminine jawline, but my nose HAD to ruin everything. It has potential to look good if it was just in the center, even the shape and size is perfect from the right, but it's like a totally different nose shape from the left. I hate it so much.

No. 401718

I hate when my parents do the “oh anon you’re such a cute girl, you’re very cute” thing if they sense my self esteem is low because it is so pathetic to be lied to like that. Or maybe they’re blind to reality because they made me. But I never want to kill myself more than when I, at 25 years old without a single person ever being interested in me or even received a single compliment, is obviously ugly and suffering because of it, everybody knows it, everybody sees it, many people say it, has to sit there and listen to my parents, AS A GROWN ADULT, try to make me believe I am not ugly, like they expect that I’m a child who will take “who’s mama’s prettiest girl????” cooing at face value. It’s just humiliating. So fucking humiliating.

No. 401748

It's very depressing to think that everyone thinks they look better than they actually do in the mirror. That means if I think I am a 4/10 I must actually be a 2-3. Ouch.

No. 401749

>>378700
I don't know if you'd find this flattering but Lazael from BG3 has a very, very long philtrum and she is very cute. A popular waifu regardless, more so with women than men.

No. 401756

>>401748
ime this is true. I thought I was a 5/10 but got consistently rated by others 2 points lower than that.

No. 401765

>>401748
I thought mirror reflections were the most accurate way to see how you looked? Photos tend to distort your appearance and so do videos.

No. 401839

>>401765
Not even close. Mirrors often make people think they are more attractive than they actually look and completely diffuses flaws when you look in entirety without focusing on one spot

No. 401842

>>401839
>when you look in entirety without focusing on one spot
but that's how you perceive other people in real life? If I'm talking to you i'm not looking at your left nasolabial fold only. Unless you're a no-eye-contact austist I guess

No. 401845

>>378700
My bf has a thing for women with long philtrums and thin upper lips. He kind of makes fun of my thick upper lip and short upturned philtrum. There’s truly no winning with these things, so might as well just embrace your features nona.

No. 401862

>>378191
lol I’ve been wearing a mask at my job everyday for 2 years now and nobody knows how horrific my actual face looks
It’s just a grocery store so it’s whatever, I still see some customers wearing masks.

No. 401864

>>401839
>Mirrors often make people think they are more attractive than they actually look
>be at store
>buying some clothes
>look at myself on the mirror while looking how some pants fit me
>glance at my face
>I look like a deformed rat/pug woman
>feel miserable throughout the rest of the day
If that's me making myself look more attractive, then now I get why everyone is either pity complimenting me or straight up saying that I'm hideous, this also explains why children hate me as well.

No. 401866

>>401862
kek, I've had multiple people tell me I look much better in a mask.
>>401864
LMFAO me the other day in DSW looking in the full-body mirror trying to see if I could look cool in men's dress shoes. The answer is no. But to be fair the answer is no nomatter what I'm wearing so I'm still going to get the shoes.

No. 401875

>>401551
I get you. Ugliness can feel like a moral failing.

No. 401924

I think I feel the most upset about my body and proportions. I am built like Gru, but really short so its exaggerated. I have a really wide back and a little square butt, and square buttcheeks. I don't think anything can ever change that.

No. 401930

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>>401839
What? That's not true at all. Mirrors are a reflection of you in real life, just flipped. If you want to see what you look like for real, get a true mirror. Cameras distort your features and aren't reliable measures of beauty.

No. 401944

>>401930
I think this is why people like mirror selfies so much. I only look like myself in a phone picture if it was taken in the mirror, or from a large enough distance to negate the lens distortion. I always look like the far right photo when I try to take normal selfies kek

No. 401949

>>401944
Look at other people's mirror reflections and compare them to how they look to you directly. Mirror reflections look closest to how people actually look, they're just flipped. Meanwhile cameras can seriously distort a person's face.

No. 401978

>>401944
People like mirror selfies because they’re used to seeing mirrored reflections of themselves. To another person you look the same in the mirror and irl, they can’t tell the difference. Thinking mirrors make you prettier or uglier is wrong, they only make you think that way because only you look at your face so often. In reality, you look how you do in the mirror, but if you saw your true reflection you’d still think you’re hideous even if you think your mirror image is nice. But it’s just you, other people can’t see the difference.

No. 402335

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>>401845
Is your bf into whos

No. 402354

>>402335
hilarious. here's your reddit gold

No. 402496

How do you guys respond to other women casually mentioning how ugly they are? I never know what to say to that, I'm not sure if they expect me to tell them that they're actually beautiful or something, I always feel awkward when they do that and just kinda try to change the subject (I might be a little autistic kek). I also feel like me trying to reassure them would be pointless anyway since I'm always much uglier than them.
Anyways, I don't mind being ugly most days since it keeps the moids away, but sometimes it does sting a little when I show up in a group photo and see how fucking ugly I look compared to everyone else. I wish I could save those pictures and cherish those memories but I look even worse in pictures than I do irl and it makes me feel so bad that I just delete them as soon as possible. I always joke to my mom that if I ever go missing they won't have any pictures of me to put on the posters kek

No. 402512

>>402496
It depends who's saying that. If it's someone I care about I'll reply with something nice. I don't think it's pointless, people are insecure and tend to need support even in obvious issues. My pretty friend "feels" ugly sometimes and I'll reassure her, because she's a genuinely good person and friend. As for people I don't care about I'll just change the topic or comment on something else. Idk what they expect me to say and I certainly don't feel like discussing appearances with strangers or people I don't like.
I also don't have pictures of myself. The ones I do are out of obligation. I tend to take pictures of things or the location for memories. They won't make me depressed to look at and I'll still have the memory from that moment.

No. 402909

I had my haircut almost perfect, there was just a bit I needed someone to get in the back, so I asked my mom to just take off the tiniest bit…. Anons she created a straight up shelf halfway up my head. The only way to fix it was to do a really close shave up to the bump of my skull in the back. I tried to fade it but I’m not a barber. Of course then the front had to change to match. I decided on really short fringe in the front and I actually did a great job and I love the style, just… not on me. I have a long bulldog face with no strong mid face bone structure, and without more hair framing my face, it really highlights my ugliness front and center. I know I don’t have the face type to pull off this hair cut, and it’s so frustrating that when i go out, other people will also be thinking that. Of course the hair will grow out, but it just sucks. I wish I had a normal looking face. I don’t have a single attractive facial feature to comfort myself with. Not my eyes, not my lips, not my cheeks, not my eyebrows, nothing— the best it gets is “boring and homely”, and most of my features don’t even achieve that.

No. 402911

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>>402909
Picrel, it’s this, but imagine it on an woman with a face like a deep sea blobfish stretched over the skull of an inbred Hapsburg.

No. 403293

How do you develop swagger as a terminally nerdy (in vibes mostly) ugly woman

No. 403906

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how can i cope with the fact i'll never have a skinny face? im bmi 17 and i feel like absolute shit seeing fat retards with a skinnier face than me. i've tried doing jaw exercises and massages but nothing works. even at my lowest weight at bmi 15.6 my face was fat as fuck fml.

No. 403913

>>403906
Facial fat makes you look younger. Right now this may be an issue to you, but when you get older it will be an asset.

No. 404721

I hate seeing cute cloths and wantinh to wear them so bad, then remember I'm ugly and I will look stupid in that. I don't have the face, body, or height to pull off anything cool. And it doesn't help I'm too hairy and people will give me a hard time for my armpit hair, but I'm too stubborn and lazy to shave. I wish I was just naturally hairless sometimes, and pretty and tall with a banger body. I wish I looked like I think I do inside my head.

No. 404751

>>403906
>im bmi 17 and i feel like absolute shit seeing fat retards with a skinnier face than me.
Kek

No. 404756

>>403906
Are you bulimic

No. 404762

>>404721
The average fashionfag is ugly, anon. "Ugly" women in cute clothes are everywhere if you go outside, no one is going to notice you.

Unshaven women do get shit sometimes, that's just the time that we live in, but again most people have their own lives to deal with. And you can just cover up anyway if it bothers you that much.

No. 404806

>>404721
I feel you. I really like jfashion, but when I posted pics of myself in some, I got comments talking about how they “love seeing transfemme’s being comfortable enough to wear these clothes!!!” But I’m not trans, I’m just an ugly woman. I never wore those clothes again.

No. 404817

>>404762
Exactly that, they look goofy in the fashion they like to wear because they're ugly. Hot people look cool in those same exact outfits because they're hot. I don't want to look stupid and dumpy in the cool fashion I like, I want to look hot and captivating. I don't mind showing my body hair despite how thick it is, I just don't want to get annoying comments and looks about it.
>>404806
That's so brutal, I'm so sorry you got told that. I never upload pictures of myself online because of this. I look like an unwashed grandma who's trying to fit with the youngesters, but I'm just 22. I just look way too old and a bit manly, and look like I'm dirty 24/7 no matter how clean I am because it's the nature of my weird skin, and probably caused by all the health issues I have out of my control, and my genetics. Which all add to the soul crushing experience of being ugly. I would've had potential if it wasn't for certain factors, but those factors beem there for too long to reverse the damage now. Might actually kill myself over this. On a related tangent, I also avoid taking selfies at all because of this, and hide my face with my big phone whenever I want to take a picture of an outfit. All the tips on how to take a nice picture don't work with me because I'm that unphotogenic. The only "good angle" I have is impossible to capture and I only did capture it once, but my nose looks way bigger than it actually is in that picture, it's so frustrating. My lookd are so jumbled and weird that I forget what I look like sometimes and decided to pretend it's whatever I think I do look like in my head, until a mirror or camera shatters that illusion. I especially hate when I hang out with my friends and they take pics and videos of us together and I just look so off compared to them all. Sorry for the rant kek.

No. 404818

>>403906
people like you are the one buccal fat removal actually works for. like selena gomez.

No. 404863

>>404806
That's so nasty of them wtf, are you sure they weren't just being a bitch?

No. 405667

I hate my face so much. I literally have no good features. Most people, even the ugliest people, have at least one or two attractive features, like long eyelashes, nicely shaped lips, nice eye color, silky hair, nice skin etc. Somehow I got the ugliest genetics for every single feature possible. Ugly dull eye color, ugly eye shape, ugly thin shapeless lips, ugly chin, ugly huge crooked nose, bad skin, ugly frizzy hair, etc etc. Not only that but I have an uglybod, am mentally ill and also have a bunch of autoimmune conditions so I can’t even say ‘at least my body/health/brain is good’

No. 405687

>>405667
it hurts true. practice gratitude, remember you're no objective whatsoever, you definitely DO have features others covet, things you completely take for granted and will continue to it happens to you, like get a persistent fungal skin infection and then you'll be looking back at old pictures thinking if only i appreciated what i had. this is the tune everyone sings eventually, so it is nice to begin restructuring your inner negative critic into a voice that has a habit of practicing gratitude. practice joy and whimsey nona, and be grateful you were forced to develop a personality outside of your looks and haven't been plagued with sociopathic moids your whole life wanting to get their dick wet and lying the entire time about how they view you as a person.
also nona, i have autoimmune issues and it affects my skin. the months i stick to cutting out all inflammatory things from my diet (research aip) and sleeping well my skin is transformed and i get a massive confidence boost (that is to say i feel less repulsive and more normal). maybe look into it, do you have sensitivity to gluten, dairy, soy, etc? it can be empowering for me when i manage to dedicate myself to healthy eating and sleep, anyone ugly who lives well still has a glow that is attractive to people subconsciously on a biological level (and my nose shrinks which really rebalances a person's face) (trying to say here that i'm sorry you're feeling horrible about your face, i relate, either practice gratitude and get over it, or commit to living a healthy lifestyle that will inevitably improve your looks a bit)

No. 405719

>>404806
I'm so sorry that happened to you anon. With all the troon pandering happening nowadays I feel as though if you're a slightly masc woman you're just fucked. These people try to be "inclusive" but they're just insulting us.

I'm also manly in the face, deep voice, ungainly posture, narrow hips and broad shoulders etc and I'm terrified of being clocked as one. I don't like dressing feminine because lipstick on a pig so I dress andro and plain by default but I fear that just makes me more like a man. I'm too afraid to have long hair because instead of a woman I just look like a troon or Slash.

No. 405934

My ugliness has made me extremely bitter and jealous of others. I have a friend. She is also pretty unattractive. But she’s always so nice, happy, bubbly and good natured that everyone likes her. She’s even had people simping for her despite being a solid 4 simply because she’s such a sweet person. Then there’s me. Lmao. Constantly bitter, petty, envious, negative and pissed off (I can hide it for social situations okay, but it’s obvious imo that I’m still miserable) I wish I was pretty on the inside at least. But it’s clear I’ll always be ugly inside and out.

No. 407031

Just got back the professional photos I had taken for job applications and I want to kill myself lol. Does anybody else feel like their face is a major nerf in the hiring process. I'm both ugly (I have an actual jaw deformation that I've been informed I need surgery to fix, but don't have money for yet) and look like a massive bitch.

No. 407033

>>407031
And the no.1 thing is my acne. My skin looks dirty and pulpy IMO and I feel like it makes me look both immature and unreliable. I want to die kek why do some people just get dealt shit cards.

No. 407036

>>405719
>I dress andro and plain by default but I fear that just makes me more like a man
Dressing feminine doesn’t always help either. I wear fitted clothing and have very long hair. No makeup or light makeup, I’ve been called a “he” by some women at the store/restaurant. I’m thin and I’m short, but I have a large nose, prominent brow, and strong jaw bone. I think maybe I should dress androgynous and cut my hair short, but that’s not my style. I get that I shouldn’t feel offended, but when it happens so many times you feel discouraged.

No. 407211

>>407031
You might be able to get insurance to cover it if it's medically necessary. Just takes awhile

No. 407214

There are so many times I see women in public and I just want to cry because I imagine how good it must feel to wear revealing clothing and be attractive. Summer must be such a fun and free time of the year where you get to show off your flat stomach and nice boobs meanwhile I'm fighting to hide as much of my skin and body as usual. I'm so fucking envious sometimes.

No. 407220

>>407214
>show off your flat stomach
tbh I see more people with potbellies and flab wearing crop tops and revealing clothing than women with flat stomachs. I think it's more of a confidence thing if you want to wear revealing clothing. Some people do not care about letting it all hang out and no one says anything to them.

No. 407250

>>407220
Ayrt and honestly there's not a ton of fat people where I live, especially not young people. I'm nowhere near overweight but my fat distribution is fucking unfortunate on top of medical conditions that are out of my control.

No. 407425

>>407033
Honestly if you can afford it or get it on insurance Accutane can do wonders for acne

No. 410201

Not sure if this belongs here but i used to be bullied about being ugly alot and getting bulimia which makes me looks dehydrated plus a nosejob, and showing my underweight legs made moids actually like me. It is fucked up but honestly i only get treated well when i am underweight

No. 411173

I am hilariously ugly so even women will gleefully point that out to me. Some were prettier and younger than me, some were fat, older or both and they still wanted to kick me down. No solidarity even amongst other ugly women.

No. 411182

>>411173
Tbh I think ugly women can be the most judgemental. I know I am. Every once in a blue moon I’ll actually see someone uglier than me (very rare) and in that moment instead of feeling solidarity I think “I have it bad but at least I’m not her.” Of course, I can only assume I’m frequently that person for other people. Everyone’s always looking for proof that they aren’t as ugly as they think and so for ugly women who find very little proof, they’ll jump on you like a drowning sailor to a piece of scrap wood.

No. 411188

>>411182 so you've thought that but you've never actually said it to their face? People will think what they think but they didn't have to make a performance out of it.

No. 411228

>>411188
Of course not, I'm not mentally unstable like those people you mentioned. But what I'm saying is I think a lot of ugly women can have such huge painful feelings about their own ugliness that they take it out on others.

No. 411250

>>378181
no cope and no judgement, but I actually enjoy being ugly. Although I admit that if I weren't so anti social, I might not feel the same way.
For those of you who hate being ugly, would you really want to be attractive if it meant that you would be sexualized and harassed by moids?

No. 411255

>>411250
yes because then it would mean women would actually like me too. I'd just be a cold bitch to the moids idgaf about them.

No. 411259

>>411250
>would you really want to be attractive if it meant that you would be [..] harassed by moids
I already get harassed by both moids and other women for being ugly and had to deal with them taking photos of me, bullying and insulting me. At the very least, other women wouldn't treat me like that if I was attractive.

No. 411274

>>411250
I get harassment anyway, usually racist harassment like someone yelling konnichiwa or nihao in the street.

No. 411303

>>411259
question for the entire thread, what kinds of shitholes are you nonnies living in? i've hung around some rough places in my slavic country of origin, but a bunch of you seem to be describing a literal inescapable dystopian hellscape that's simultaneously so deprived that you're constantly harassed by trashy moids and women, as well as so beauty obsessed that every woman automatically hates you for being ugly. it's expected that you'd occasionally get shit while walking in a bad neighbourhood but surely there's no society on earth where you wouldn't be able to make any friends just because you're ugly?

No. 411336

I couldn’t care less about being ugly now that I know beautiful women will also end up with uggo males. I’m not losing anything of value

No. 411343

>>411336
if anything, i've seen more ugly women with himbos instead of the other way around. literal recessed chin, crooked nose and some mentally ill sparkles there and there, with men above 7/10, every. fucking. time.

No. 411355

It's hard for me to believe people who claim to enjoy being ugly are truly ugly. You're most likely just kind of average. Being truly ugly and in my case having a medical deformity doesn't come with any upsides at all. It's not just dating that's hard, it's moving throughout the world and realizing that at worst people are outright cruel to you and that even kind people are uncomfortable being in your presence and would prefer you not exist in public.

No. 411368

>>411303
>surely there's no society on earth where you wouldn't be able to make any friends just because you're ugly?
I wish. I'm the AYRT and I live in the US, in what's considered a good place but I still get harassed and have barely had any friends my entire life. It might just be that you're not as ugly as the rest of this thread.

No. 411383

my fat distribution is my biggest genetic lottery loss. It's so weird, because im not actually overweight at all, and yet the lower part of my stomach is sticking out in such a weird way. my calves are also weirdly fat, they are bigger than my thighs. im not joking. so that makes me look quite fat.. fml

No. 412243

In my most insane moments I've thought of cutting my face, slash some parts so I'd still be ugly but another type

No. 417640

I seriously hate being ugly, the least I interact with people, the better I feel about myself, but once I go out and interact with people outside my very small trusted circle, I spiral back to feeling miserable because I'm hideous.
I have only 1 friend who has genuinely told me that I look pretty and I cling to her desperately because I think she's so pretty.
I have a really retarded body because I'm fat, which makes my face look like shit because I'm not a cute fat girl, I'm a hideous fat woman with a permanent double chin because of my retarded chin that I seriously want to get fixed, with a droopy nose because as a kid I had lots of issues with allergies, so I would constantly just push it down (I didn't pick my nose, I thought that was gross and nasty even back then) which makes my nose look like a weird beak, my eyes are clearly asymmetrical, and it shows clearly on pictures, specially pictures taken by others, I have scars all over my legs from skin picking and now I even have lots of cellulite.
No matter how much I workout and diet I never stick to it because I just feel miserable whenever I have my period, I get sick monthly and it makes me lose any sort of motivation I could have mustered up to workout.
I look like shit in any outfit because being skinny is probably the only way for me to look decent, so it's like I'm always dressing a pig with silk, but in this case I'm the pig, the worst part is that pigs can look cute, I can't.
I've always been told that in hideous by anyone who is my age, younger or older, specially from anyone from my country, it's like they consider me a lesser being for daring to exist and not look pretty.
My hair isn't long enough to be considered special or pretty, it's just right at bra strap length, but if I cut it I look even more obese than with my long hair.
The worst part is that I look myself in the mirror or using my phone camera, and I don't think I'm ugly enough to be hated this much, specially by moids, but everyone except my one friend and my family keeps assuring me that in really fucking hideous.
I just wish I could just always stay locked in my house, not interacting with anyone but my family and my friend, living happily in delusion land so I don't have to feel this shitty.
And yeah, I don't use social media other than pinterest for art references which yeah, makes me wish I was at least skinny, and WhatsApp to talk with my family, that's it. I never even check stories and shit because I know I will just feel like shit.
I really hate being ugly, I know, I know that being pretty isn't any better but hell, I would like to have pretty people problems sometimes too, instead of feeling like anywhere I go, everyone looks at me with disgust, disdain, anger and pity.

No. 417641

>>412243
Sometimes I just wish I had bone cancer or skin cancer so I could at least get pity compliments like the ones people give to anyone that's morbidly sick.

No. 417677

How do you deal with knowing you’ll likely never find a bf or get married? I used to be fat and ugly now I’m just ugly. Loose skin from weight loss. Boobs sag down to my bellybutton, arms have batwings. It would probably cost at least 50 grand in surgeries to fix my body. Even then I’d be covered in scars. I don’t think I will ever be able to be in a relationship, not that anyone has shown interest anyway. I was given shitty genetics and made them even more shitty through bad lifestyle choices earlier in life.

No. 417691

>>417677
Read what kind of moids women have to deal with or look up any pretty woman's husband and see how 99% of the time he is pretty damn ugly. Or honestly just give it a shot yourself and experience their vain and shallowness first hand

No. 417695

>>417677
I'm not particularly ugly in fact i'd call myself pretty attractive but had to chime in.
Moids are fucking trash, you dont want one. Your bf will disappoint you. staying up late at night worrying about what other girl your bf is texting or lusting after is mentally draining and the kowledge he might be a porn addict in secret takes a huge toll on your psyche. You're constantly on edge and feel the need to watch his every move like a hawk cause modern men are unfaithful porn addicts who will cheat on you and then gaslight you. I miss the single life, yeah I cry and get all sappy cause I crave male intimacy when i'm single but then find out this shit is not fucking worth it without fail whenever I enter a new relationship even if things seem good on paper. Fuck why do I keep doing this to myself.

No. 417703

>>417695
>I'm not particularly ugly in fact i'd call myself pretty attractive but had to chime in
Of course you did.

No. 417706

What does an objectively ugly woman even looks like? You will almost ALWAYS mogg a moid just by the fact you splashed water on your face or brushed your teeth.

No. 417709

>>417703
I'm trying to highlight the problem. It's not your attractiveness or lack thereof, it's men. You don't want to strive for a relationship or commitment in this day and age, it's futile.

No. 417710

>>417691
This was a crazy realization for me. I remember stalking this famous instagram girl because I thought she was so beautiful, probably one of the most gorgeous girls on the planet tbh, objectively. I was like holy fuck if I looked like her I would have my pick of nay hot guy I wanted, endless simps etc etc. a couple years later she did a boyfriend reveal and holy fuck he was the most ugly Neanderthal looking scrote I’ve ever seen in my life, AND he treats her horribly. I started noticing that every other gorgeous woman I followed had an equally ugly moid. Like holy shit even beautiful women truly waste themselves on hideous awful men, it’s actually crazy and sad

No. 417711

>>417709
That anon who responded to you wasnt the OP of that post (me) btw.

No. 417712

>>417706
I look like the wife in The Twits

No. 417745

>>417706
I wish this was true. I don't have a point of reference to compare my ugliness to, but my facial features just don't play well together and it makes the asymmetry of my face stand out more than it should. I am also hairer for somebody my race thanks to being part Italian and that's practically the only trace of european that I inherited for some bizarre reason. I've always been told i was ugly by a lot of people and some people straight up get disgusted by me and if that doesn't serve as a good demonstration of how ugly i am, then idk what does. How people react to your appearance is just as important than the actual objective aspects of it. All that and i have acne scarring and keratosis pilaris that has left a lot of scars on my back and shoulders, forcing me to cover up so i don't look more repulsive than i already do. I am practically the perfect candidate for facial reconstruction surgery. I know for sure if i was to post my face on this website, anons would be roasting the ever living shit out me and posting photo shops as to how they would fix me. Maybe you are trying to be nice anon, but i just find women who have been average/attractive all their lives are completely oblivious to how it's like for ugly women.

No. 417760

>>417706
personally my teeth are way worse than most moids (although that's kind of my fault)

No. 417770

>>417695
Fucking always, kek. We really can't vent in our own designated threads or forums without women like you coming and shitting on our wants. Yeah, we know most if not all men are slimy or just straight up awful. We're ugly enough to learn that early on about them. it still does not change the fact that getting no positive interactions with them fucks with you, especially when the media loves to parrot how easy it must be for any woman to get into a relationship.

No. 417774

>>417770
Anon i'm sorry, believe me I hated that too when I was fugly and identified as a femcel, but anon asked how to deal with that so I wanted to give her personal insight now that ive "glowed up" and have more experience dating. It's just overrated plain and simple. Being ugly is way worse tho I agree, I'm not trying to take away from that because ive been there so I know the struggle.

No. 417791

>>417695
girl ok.

No. 417797

I'm really ugly, even after weight loss and taking care of my skin/hair. Even makeup. But I'm happy because I have everything going for me except looks and money (working on that currently). I don't really care if that sounds narcissistic or something, society already thinks ugly women don't deserve anything so I don't give a fuck. I prioritise myself, my family and my friends and my only fear is that I will never find a good moid to have my own family with. Other than that I'm happy with myself on a spiritual level.

No. 417800

>>417774
If you had a glow up to a point you consider yourself pretty attractive then you weren't ugly to begin with. You have plenty of other threads to whine about your relationship.

No. 417804

>>417800
This. x20000000. “Glowing up” = had decent features, but wasn’t taking care of herself until now. Nothing I hate more than “glow up” people trying to speak as if they were actual ugly people. I’m actually ugly. I spend a lot of time grooming myself, I carry myself with confidence, and am always well-dressed. These things don’t result in a “glow up” for me because I am actually physically biologically ugly. So I don’t want to hear about anyone’s “glow up” and how that means they’ve “been on both sides”. Delusional.

No. 418975

God I am impressively hideous and my BDD is rearing its ugly head again. Doesn't matter what I do, the canvas is flawed. I wish I got surgery when I had the chance.
I got a medical scan done earlier this year for unrelated reasons and when I looked at the details I saw that my entire skull is just skewed and warped to one side which explains why one of my eyes is bigger than the other. What the fuck happened to me as a baby? I have legit deformities, and it doesn't help I look like a man, but it's not enough to warrant reconstructive surgery, just plain bad genes. Wish real women could get tranny face surgeries covered. At least we'd use them

No. 420348

If you’re really ugly, I recommend trying a completely different hairstyle. I was looking through old pictures of myself and was in shock about how hideous I was when I had long hair (had shoulder length hair most of my life). To use the crude numbering system, I was at BEST a 2/10, and the only reason I can’t say I was 1/10 is because I wasn’t like medically deformed or obese kek. A couple of years ago I cut my hair into a pixie in a moment of “fuck it”ness, and it’s improved my appearance so much, like some sort of optical illusion that makes my face not so incredibly hideous. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still ugly, but I’d say I moved up to a 3.5/10 now and that actually makes a huge difference.
2/10 is “everyone who sees you pities you for being so ugly, you are hard to look at”, while 3.5/10 is “very homely but most people just look past you” which is a miracle for me. I never would have expected a haircut to cast such a powerful illusion and tbh I don’t understand it, but I’m so glad I discovered this.

No. 420353

>>420348
I can second this haha, I went in to a hairstylist and told her to do whatever she wanted and the hairstyle she gave me actually changed my face so much. It boosted my self-confidence a lot. I wouldn't call myself pretty by any measure but now I feel like my appearance at least reflects the effort I put into grooming it.

No. 420354

>>420353
Samefag, also inb4 some nonna tells me I don't in this thread if just a haircut helped that much: unlike the nonna I replied to, I actually do have a medically recognized facial deformity that will require eventual surgery to correct.

No. 420416

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>TLDR; Style your hair and wear sunglasses kek

experimented this week since I visited a touristic city and realized I've gotten a whole lot thinner. During the day I dolled myself up.
>curled my hair
>wore something summery..shorts and a top. decently simple but classy.
>no makeup, but my skin is well taken care of.
>i do not shave. i am very hairy everywhere.
>bought sunglasses that suit my face shape and compliment skin tone.
I got stares in the street. Pointed at. Eyes following me from all sorts of people (ages, sex, races, from average looking folk to even 'pretty' people). Got catcalled passing through an alleyway and when I hit the town square. Strangers struck up conversation with me and hovered around. It's fascinating how obscuring the majority of your face with sunglasses just makes you more 10x more alluring to people. Must be the mystery or 'cool' factor.
During the night.
>wore biker shorts
>jacket similar to a leather jacket
>hair braided back like those female mma fighters
>my regular glasses
The treatment from men was night and day. Women on the other hand only really waver and remained for the most part polite but it was still evident that they're kinder (some get bitter tho kek) if you're prettier. Minimal glances, ppl avoiding me on the street, annoyed and impatient attitude if I interacted. Planned on getting a bite to eat, narc father was pissed about my appearance since he has this hang up with hair. It's fucking hot idgaf about styling my hair especially since he only gives a shit about how he's perceived by strangers. Meaning I better make him look good. Got called cute by a drunk guy at 3 am though.

I also kept the same facial expressions throughout and wasn't any more smiley or pouty in either cases.
Now I know that if I give 5% more effort and perform this feminine shit…I'll get treated better. I hate this game. fixed sth..posted again

No. 420418

>>420416
The only physical thing I'm ever complimented on is my hair, when I have it grown long and I'm wearing it down. For me personally I don't think it detracts from my face being hideous but I do get a lot of comments on my hair especially ever since I got balayage done.

No. 420419

>>420418
yeah..as a teen it was that way for me. my hair and my clothes got complimented on. that's all.

No. 420421

>>420416
Calling Janis ugly is such a psyop. She wasn't beautiful, but she was far from ugly.

No. 420424

>>420421
I agree. I chose picrel because I one day hope to embody her carefree attitude. She's so cute imo

No. 420443

>>420416
I think when you wear sunglasses people just tend to stare at you slightly longer because they can't meet your eye. I noticed that happening when I wore sunglasses, but I can't say I look much better (or worse) in them.

No. 423997

The state of the world right now hits hard because I’m an extremely unattractive woman, and now everyone’s offering support for me because my face and build are mannish enough for them to think I’m a TiM. It’s bad enough that I got pity from people thinking I was a tranny before, but it’s worse now that I have people saying “you’re a real woman” I fucking know that. I get periods, I have a womb, I can reproduce (never will cause I don’t wanna spread this), I’m just really fucking unpleasant to look at.

No. 424012

I've been called he/him/sir by other women and I don't know if it's been out of spite or what. I have a large nose, small lips, strong cheekbones, pronounced browbone (that I hide with bangs), and sharp jaw. Deepish voice. Not super masculine, but not hyperfeminine. At best, people compare me to younger Anjelica Huston. I know it shouldn't matter but it stings sometimes to be called "sir". Just because I don't have a pig button nose doesn't mean I'm not a biological woman. I'm not ever going to get plastic surgery though. I'm thinking maybe if I wear eyelash extensions or something people will stop calling me sir.
>>423997
I feel you. I've been to the damn gynocologist, I have a womb and have a menstrual cycle. I'm a woman. I hate how troonery affected how people see masculine women.

No. 424101

>>417706
Having harsh features like the lady who plays the nun in the conjuring

No. 424164

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>>424101
i actually honestly like looking at her face. she's ugly but she looks so interesting she is genuinely kind of pleasing to look at.

No. 424166

>>424164
I agree. I also think she's a great example on how attitude and confidence can make up for features that are considered ugly. She carries herself well and honestly just looks elegant and unique to me. I think it's worse if you're completely plain and have nothing interesting going for you at all other than a weak jawline and frumpy looks.

No. 424178

>>424164
I don’t even think she’s ugly, I find her very elegant looking and even beautiful in a unique way. But I can see how someone could give her the wrong makeup and hair and make her look ugly or scary.

No. 424192

>>424164
I wish looking like this was my problem. Instead I look like a droopy bulldog with no facial bone definition to speak of despite being thin

No. 424198

>>424164
If you look at her and see an ugly woman that’s the reflection of your own soul.

No. 424278

How do you guys deal with strangers mocking you or saying rude things about your appearance? How do you not let it get you down? Certain encounters just live permanently in my head. One in particular because it was a day that I was dressed and groomed nicely for work and despite that it turned out to be the cruelest one so far (involved a whole group of strangers).
Because even if I decide not to care personally about being ugly, it’s still excruciating to know that strangers upon seeing you for the first time all have a knee jerk reaction of disgust at your face before anything else. You can’t get around that.

No. 424351

>>424278
I don’t really have any advice beyond trying not to dwell on it. I try to ignore it, and I remember that it says a lot more about them that they’re mocking someone for their appearance. There’s nothing wrong with me, there’s something wrong and rotten about them and their shitty attitude. Why care about what some jerks think?
I’ve been called “witch” and the like before for my nose, although that doesn’t bother me as much anymore because witches are awesome. Most recently I overheard a group of douchebags at work calling me “bangs”. I was so confused what that could even mean, I have bangs because it’s the most flattering haircut I’ve found. I don’t work at that job anymore and I chocked it up to them being the assholes they usually are, probably mad that I wouldn’t do any work for them during MY lunch break. I’m ranting now but anyways, try to hold your head up high. Shitty people’s reactions shouldn’t matter to you.
>>424164
She looks classy and regal.

No. 424365

>>424278
I got that kind of comments a lot since I was a literal baby. People would to go my mom -according to her at least- and say "wow yoir daughter looks like a monkey, should've let her die in the hospital or something". I find this hilarious tbh, can't get angry at it because they're kinda right. In school, other girls would constantly tell me I need to trim and brush my eyebrows because they're too thick and ugly, nowadays that is in style so I get compliments about it but they still say I should brush it and fill it in with make up because, get this, it's not thick enough??? And as a kid, they'd point out my crooked nose a lot, I didn't believe them at first until my own family members started noticing and making fun of me for it, then I started to see it and how I have 2 different side profiles because of this. Way to escape law enforcements I guess? I got too used to it that I find it funny when it's pointed out to me, but they also laugh at me if I ever say I'm gonna get it fixed so idk what are they trying to achieve exactly? But eventually, I just learned what I actually dislike about my looks and what I like, so people's comments don't get to me if I think they're wrong, and it's funny when I do agree and I'd be like "yeah that's true, gonna fix it once I make enough money because I'm aiming for a high paying job and I'll be rich enough to afford it.", idk why but it works to shut them up about it. I stopped coming across people who make comments about my looks with age, except my family ofcourse, and my current friends are very accepting and nice so I rarely hear that kind of commentary these days, other than inside my head when I look at the mirror lmao. I wonder sometimes, if I never got those comments since childhood, would I be more accepting of my looks? Because all those "pretty" girls in media and social media never got into me and I always found them either ugly and too unnatural, or just mid, so I never bothered comparing myself to them and getting upset about my looks, so I imagine maybe without that part of my childhood I'd be more confident. My rejection of makeup also stems from this, because girls at school and family members sometimes would tell me wearing makeup would cover up my ugliness, so I ended up associating makeup with being ugly and not fixing it permanently but temporarily by covering it up, so I refused to waste money, time and effort on such a non-solution. But I gotta say, I prefer natural bare faces over makeup-ed faces in general, and think my face looks decent already without makeup, I just need to fix my nose and lighten my lips and get healthier because my 22 yo ass is already losing my buccal fat and looking very gaunt.

No. 424366

>>424365
Ayrt, I can’t really relate because if anything I get more insults from strangers as an adult than when I was a kid for some reason, and my family was never mean to me and instead try to convince me I’m not hideous which is somehow more annoying imo. And to me, responding to people who call me ugly with “yes I’m going to give up thousands of dollars to fix my face” is probably the most pathetic thing to say back for me personally. I just want to be able to mind my own business without being constantly reminded about how offensive other people find my face.
>>424351
Yes I mean I agree they’re jerks but what gets to me is that even the nice people who don’t make comments about my face are still just as disgusted by it internally. It feels bad to inspire a natural negative reaction in people and make their day just that much more unpleasant for having to have looked at me or interacted with me. It’s not a matter of self esteem really because I like who I am just fine, I’m just tired of inspiring such negative reactions in others just by existing.

No. 424592

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I wish there was a plastic surgery that could move your nose placement down your face. I legit look like picrel.

No. 424594

>>424592
uh, upper lip filler maybe?

No. 424605

>>424594
No, that would just make me look like an ape that got stung in the lips by a bee kek. And my nose base is so high that any attempt to move the lips up would look almost equally ridiculous (plus my nose is a bit upturned so a lip lift scar would be super visible anyway).

No. 424606

>>424605
that sucks

No. 424614

>>424605
Nta but I understand. I have a long space in between nose and lip and while some people suggest to get a lip flip, it would look so ridiculous. There's too much space to fix it by just moving the lip or filling it.

No. 424618

>>424592
There actually are surgeries that do that, but it's a pretty extreme surgery and the risks are not worth maybe looking better.

No. 424622

>>424592
Same.
It's my dream to get a lip lift but my midface is long skeleton-wise and my nose is short so I'd still probably looked fucked up in my proportions if the surgery even worked to begin with. People who have good canvases for plastic surgery are so lucky, vs us with ngmi deformities

No. 424624

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remember that moids only want hole(off-topic)

No. 424650

>>424624
Incredible, I saved this to my favorites btw

No. 424939

>>424592
Grow a mustache

No. 426186

Today I talked to my therapist about being ugly and how awful it feels to be pitied by everyone, and she really didn't have anything to say. She just was like "that's hard." Like, duh, which is why I'm talking to you about it. IDK what I expected but it did leave me feeling worse to have gone in and bared my heart about how hard it is to go through life as a very ugly person and the therapist just not even know what to say. I wish there was a way to make this pain go away, but even when I try to forget it, someone is always there to make a comment that reminds me how hideous they find me while I'm just going about my day.

No. 426217

Sure mean comments hurt too but the things that bother me the most are overt pity and transparent platitudes. IDK why.

No. 426239

You know you were born ugly when you didnt even get interest from older men/pedos as a teen girl kek. Not saying that's a bad thing, but its clear even pedos have standards.

No. 426261

I haven’t worn makeup in years and I found some old makeup in my room. I put it on in the way that I used to wear it, maybe I’ve lost the skills for applying it. It made me realize how wonky my features are. It was like applying makeup to a pig.

No. 426339

>>426261
Same, makeup just makes me look more ridiculous. I look better without it. Plus it’s such a hassle for no real benefit.

No. 426352

Would anyone else be considered attractive if not for 2 features that completely fuck up your face, or even just 1? I have high cheekbones, full lips, almond eyes, full eyebrows but because of my dad I have a giant fucking nose tip that completely ruins my facial harmony along with a cleft chin and weak jaw that makes my nose looks even bigger. I think I would be average if I didn't have at least one of these features

No. 426353

>>426352
i don't necessarily have specific bad features but i'm cursed with a shitload of asymmetry. one half of my face/head literally looks like someone moved it upwards making me look like a weird psychonauts character. i think our facial features do 'blend in' for other people more than they do for us though.

No. 426355

>>426352
Big/nicely shaped eyes on women can do a TON of heavy lifting in the looks department though.

No. 426360

>>426352
This is me with my malnourishment and skin issues, eyebags, and broken nose. Also dark lips that look smaller than they actually are because the dark edges blend in with my facial skin tone. My teeth could also be an issue because, despite my prominent chin, I still look like I have an overbite. My jawline isn't bad but could be better. I think if I start with my broken nose, the rest will fall into place on its own. My eyebrows shape could use some shaping, if it was more angular it would've looked better, but it's super round and flat/straight and gives my face an undesirable "soft" look that is more on the retarded side, idk how to explain it. It's a bit masculine as well so I don't like it that much. Lightening my lips using some skin treatments or laser treatments even could help a lot, since this darkness seems natural and not from dryness, biting or anything else that can be reduced or reversed. Idk what I can possibly do for my eyebags though, they say caffeine works if it's just hyperpigmentation, but if it's something you're born with then there's no way to get rid of it. And I can't tell which one is it kek. Ofcourse, improving my health can go a long way and fix most of this, but I can't do it currently because of my shitty circumstances that caused these issues in the first place, and it will only get worse with time.

No. 426370

Anyone else lowkey have an adam's apple? My whole thyroid (?) bulges out and makes me feel like a troon. I don't even have a deep voice. I'm also tall so I'm always afraid to be sir'd (hasn't really happened since I was 14 though.)

No. 426374

>>426352
My chin ruins my entire face I think. Scarred as hell from acne and the acne still keeps coming back despite treatment. It is also very dimpled. I tried botox on the area once and I don't think it really helped. I had some cosmetic surgery done there years back to help make my chin less receded and it still looks like shit.

No. 426389

>>426352
No. I don’t have a single attractive facial feature.

No. 426506

>>426389
Same. Crazy thing is, I see other 'ugly' people with a randomly beautiful feature like pretty eyes, nice silky hair, long lashes, nice full lips etc. Yet I literally don't have a single good feature. All of my features are considered failos by society.

No. 426507

>>426352
I'm not a jew but I have a massive fucking jew nose that ruins what might have been a half decent face. Oh, and fucked up teeth too.

No. 426511

>>426507
big noses are sexo

No. 426526

>>426239
That's a gross thing to say

No. 426638

I just wish I could be average. Average people spend all their time whining and moaning about not being supermodel 1% tier like it’s some huge unfair tragedy, meanwhile they have no appreciation for the fact that they can go out in public and not be insulted by random strangers or even friends and family. It pisses me off.

No. 426641

>>426638
Agree. I would love to have 'average', boring, even, standard features instead of the strange proportions and weird exaggerated or too small, jarring features I have. Irony is most 'average' looking girls look like supermodels when they apply makeup.

No. 426658

A stranger on the train once said I looked like their friend and then they showed me a pic and the friend was fucking ugly, she was a frumpy hard faced woman. I can’t tell if he was trolling me or just clueless but it ruined my self esteem kek

No. 426729

>>426658
Certain interaction will truly never leave your psyche. I’ll always remember when an entire car full of men rolled their windows down to cat call me and when I turned to face them, all unanimously and instantly started laughing and yelling about how ugly I was, that they’d never seen such an ugly faced woman, how I should be forced to wear a paper bag on my head.

And this was a day I had dressed up nicely for a job interview.

No. 426811

>>426729
honestly though why would you trust the judgement of men like that

No. 426883

>>426811
Do you think that’s the only interaction where people have called me ugly? I wish.

No. 426915

>>426913
Like 90% of people are ugly in general.

No. 426916

>>426913
theres no such thing as an ugly race

No. 426930

>>426374
nona, my thyroid bulges out too, very visibly, looks like an adam's apple and i don't have a deep voice, but what i do have is a hormonal thyroid illness ( that also made me into a fatty, so i'm ugly AND fat). even if you're skinny i recommend going to an endocrinologist to check it out, just to be safe since there are a lot of variations of thyroid issues, some don't necessarily make you fat. i don't want to worry you, but it's better to rule it out.

No. 426932

>>426913
That’s not a thing.

No. 427048

>>426916
Yes, but there are ugly ethnicities(racebait)

No. 427316

>>427048
no there isnt, theres uggos and beauties in every ethnic group on the planet, unless the ethnic group is less than 100 people and they all happen to be part of the same ugly family or something

No. 427329

>>427048
examples?(responding to bait)

No. 428071

>>426930
Hey nona thanks for the reply! I'm sorry to hear that, I don't really have any symptoms BUT my father does have hypothyroidism and I saw that it can be genetic, so I'll get it checked out in the future

No. 428273

One side of my face is decent, so I do this stupid thing where I always keep people to my left when we're talking, walking in public, etc. I know that the difference isn't as stark as I've convinced myself it is, and to others my face is just an aggregation of my features no matter what the angle. But I can't stop focusing on my posturing whenever I'm around people.

No. 428363

>>428273
I do the same thing. I wonder what we'd do if we met each other kek.

No. 428688

For some reason the new thing on here seems to be mocking people for having long philtrums and calling people with them inbred. It's always been my biggest insecurity, and the rest of me is not good looking either so I have nothing to make up for it. It sounds dumb maybe but all these posts are making me really want to kill myself or at least hide away from other people or get plastic surgery. But I scar easily so it would be more embarrassing to have the obvious scar I think. Which brings me back to the rope. I'm tired of going through life looking like this. I wish I could just look normal.

No. 428715

whats worse, being born ugly or being disfigured due to some external incident and as result turning ugly?

No. 428769

>>428715
Born ugly. People are at least are sympathetic if you’re obviously disfigured. I often wish I was disfigured. If you’re just naturally ugly, people feel justified in being cruel to you for it. I think it’s a function of evolution to shun those who are born ugly to make sure they are eliminated from society and the gene pool. I am a genetic failure and it’s evident by my face. No one will ever be attracted to me, and worse, people don’t even like looking at me because my face is so unpleasant. I’m tired of going through life being the person who is seen on the street and people think “wow, things could be worse. I could have been born looking like her.” I want a redo at life, but since that’s not possible, I’d rather just end it as soon as possible. I think it’s cruel the universe creates people like me who are born just to suffer their whole lives.

No. 428782

>>428715
You feel pity and empathy for someone who has been disfigured by a disease or by an accident, but if you see someone who is otherwise healthy but just ugly you don’t have the same reaction. In fact people tend to treat you worse and act annoyed if you even speak to them when you’re unattractive, just look at how men treat ugly women.

No. 428813

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I can’t take being ugly anymore. I just can’t take it. I’m against plastic surgery but I’m getting really close to just throwing away my moral code and just doing it. But the thing is, it’s a lose lose situation because
>Option 1: don’t get the surgery, people continue to make fun of me, I never date, too jealous of other people to make friends
>Option 2: get the surgery, look better, people stop treating me differently, maybe even get to date, but will forever be beating myself up and feeling horrible and guilty and selfish for caving and getting surgery against my principles and at the expense of societal progress.
I’m at an impasse and there’s no good choice to make.

No. 428821

>>428813

Just get it and get over yourself. You will likely not regret it. Just go for a heavy hitter that will change your facial balance the most like a nose job so you can have the most improvement in just one procedure. Small procedures tend to have underwhelming effects.

No. 428846

>>428821
I really wish I could figure out how. But I’m someone who has written essays about the harms of the plastic surgery industry and I’m also very strict with making sure my actions align with my principles, I really never do anything that goes against what I think is right, and I don’t know how I could live with myself if I got plastic surgery. But at the same time, spending the rest of my life like this is equally unfathomable. I’m just so miserable. Im so ugly that even I am revolted by my own reflection or pictures, and I’ve had my whole life to get used to what I look like. I can’t imagine how severe the disgust is in people who see me for the first time.

No. 428854

>>428846
It's your life nona. Fuck principles if they are making you so miserable then they have to go. It's not written in stone. You have only this one life. If you have the means and possibility to improve the thing that is making you miserable then there is no reason to not do it. There is no punishment other than the one you are giving yourself. You can change your mind. You don't have to keep growing in one direction that you decided on years ago.

No. 429161

>>428688
Gee chill out, don't hang yourself for having long philtrum lol. Get surgery if you think it's bad enough to make you isolate yourself from people

No. 430215

>>429161
It leaves a noticeable scar 100% of the time and to me that’s more embarrassing than just being ugly.

No. 430217

>>428688
The only reason anons on this site even notice long philtrums is due to being chronically online enough to absorb looksmaxxer talking points. Unless it's cartoonishly long most people irl don't even take note of it.

No. 430222

>>430217
>unless it’s cartoonishly long
Why do you think I’m itt nona

No. 430227

>>428846
i disagree with the other anon. stick with your principles, you have them for a reason. especially when you have such a strong stance on it as well.
you would likely regret it. plastic surgeons are scammers and they want you to keep coming back and give you worse body dysmorphia. it's not worth it. it'd be better to try and accept the appearance you were born with, as hard as that may be.
>I’m also very strict with making sure my actions align with my principles, I really never do anything that goes against what I think is right, and I don’t know how I could live with myself if I got plastic surgery. But at the same time, spending the rest of my life like this is equally unfathomable.
i feel similarly about my own principles in that i am firm in them so i sympathize with you. if it is truly a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, think of it this way:
>you are miserable with yourself for going against your firm principles or you are to remain miserable with your appearance
so if you are miserable either way, if things stay as they are, then that is what you are used to. but if you go the plastic surgery route, things can go wrong. so not only did you go against your principles, you could potentially be stuck with a bogged surgery that needs to be fixed with more surgeries. or you get stuck with a surgeon who wants to rework your entire face with procedures you didn't even want before, or your filler keeps migrating and it's fucking with your perception of yourself even more. i think there's way more of a chance of things getting worse if you go the plastic surgery route, and it would be filled with regret. whereas you have been with your appearance your whole life. maybe it will always be bad, but i feel like it's important to stick to your principles especially when you feel so strongly about them. i think it's a good quality to have.
it would be better to try with every fiber of your being to fully accept yourself as you are (even if you cant) than to go to the option that you clearly are against. to go to a seedy surgeon who doesn't care about your well-being. i don't think plastic surgery would solve the issue, and it especially is not going to fix your self-esteem either. it's also risky. it's not something you can reverse. i hope you can some day be happy with your appearance without some butcher cutting up your face. i wish you well nona

No. 430231

>>428846
Fully agree with >>430227, consider this: do you really want to tell everyone that you hate yourself? Because when you're doing plastic surgery, you're admitting to hating how you look to everyone around you. You're walking with a constant reminder of your self-loathing on your face. It's undignified and belittling. Changing your appearance this much will make you alienated and trigger further dysmorphic spiralling. Alienation begets alienation. You don't even have to look at it from the 'i must adore myself' angle, you can think of how to lead a life where your appearance is low in your priority list (i haven't fully figured that one out kek but being ambitious, even for silly things, helps a lot)

>>430217
Yep. Unless you have a very noticeable crease or puffy philtrum it's negligible

No. 430236

>>430231
>noticeable crease or puffy philtrum
This is my problem. I wouldn’t hate it so much if it wasn’t so prominent. It looks like that dead cow who pretended to be nonverbal (withasmoothroundstone?). If it was flat I could live with it I think. But whatever I drew the short stick on pretty much everything I guess and I’ll never know what it’s like to look normal.

No. 430253

>>430227
>>430231

lmfao if her appearance is stopping her from living a fulfilling life (not even being able to attempt friendships because of jealousy of physical appearance is crazy) then she should go for surgery. The principles are made up concepts- they are not real. Probably influenced by a caretaker or someone who did not have the possibility to change anything but oh boy, you know if they could, they would.
Also this is seriously stunting development in other areas of her life. Being so fixated on appearances, building entire immovable monoliths out of reasons why surgery and changing your appearance is bad, writing fucking essays about it? look how much energy and time went into tricking herself out of doing it. she could be putting this energy into something more valuable if this obstacle wasn't there. Not to mention how many experiences are being missed out on because of this.

>do you really want to tell everyone that you hate yourself? Because when you're doing plastic surgery, you're admitting to hating how you look to everyone around you. You're walking with a constant reminder of your self-loathing on your face. It's undignified and belittling.

Literally no1curr except for chronically online people who selfloathe themselves and project it onto others who had the guts to do it and if it's one or two procedures, you can't even tell lol If you go around nitpicking other people's faces and after seeing that someone had surgery you have thoughts like that, there is something very wrong with you.

No. 430262

>>430253
Most based anon in this discussion.

No. 430408

>>430253
you're projecting and you're talking like you know the anon when you clearly don't
>look how much energy and time went into tricking herself out of doing it
look how much time and energy you're spending trying to trick her into believing she should abandon her principles that she has stated multiple times they're important to her. you aren't even listening to what she's saying you're just aggressive and want this anon to get plastic surgery way too much. i actually couldn't fully read your post because its littered with seething. put this energy elsewhere or go get plastic surgery for yourself. obviously she's conflicted for a reason

No. 430486

>>428813
There is a third option, maybe you should try therapy instead anon. Unless you are literally deformed (which is who plastic surgery was originally invented for, and honestly I support people with deformities getting it) there is no reason for you to have such significant hangups about your appearance. I'm objectively very ugly but I have a group of close friends, I am married, it doesn't really affect my life at all anymore (although it used to). A therapist can maybe help you change your perspective and lead a more fulfilling life. It's worth trying it rather than continuing how you are anyway

No. 430493

>>430408
NTA but caring that much about whether or not a stranger got work done is weird. I want you to understand that a normal person does not care strongly one way or another, and male opinions don’t count because they will praise a girl to high heavens for being natural even if she has the most obvious filler in her lips and chin.
Either way, what are you gonna do except cry about it? Do you think a rando irl or online cares about your views on the morality of plastic surgery? If you’re seething that much about something that doesn’t affect you and that you cannot change, you should consider therapy.

No. 430528

>>430408
There is no special reward or medal for sticking to principles that cause you to have a miserable life, especially when you have access to a solution that can improve it tremendously. I'm just going to assume you don't have access or fear judgement from others so you're just doing the crab bucket thing. In reality no1curr

No. 430632

>>430493
nona i have no idea why you're replying this to me, i don't care nearly as much as the anon that i was replying to who was projecting and reeeing at me for telling an anon that she should reconsider the plastic surgery idea

>>430528
>There is no special reward or medal for sticking to principles that cause you to have a miserable life
that's correct, and there's no special medal or reward for having principles that fufill your life either. no one has principles because they're expecting something out of it. it's fine that you don't have any principles nonnie, but the original nona does and she stated that hers were important to her. that's why i took that into consideration. when you want to give advice to someone, normally you'd want to pay attention to what they're saying.
you can assume whatever you want about me, i don't give a shit. we're on an anonymous website. it's extremely clear you like to jump to conclusions. i was offering advice to an anon who was conflicted, i replied and i told her how i felt about it. you come in and clearly just want to argue for the sake of arguing. if you love plastic surgery so much, there's a thread just for you, you can sperg in there about how many nosejobs you can get before it falls off

No. 430727

I fucking hate being back to college, among nothing but trust funded rich kids, every single one of these girls are just perfectly well put together
>perfect angelic faces
>perfect teeth and poster child smiles
>perfect discreet makeup
>perfect fucking skin, not a single one with the hint of a pimple, like how tf do they even pull this??
>perfect toned bodies, probably spend all their free time at the gym
>perfect fucking hair, sharp straight lean and thin, like they're all stepping out of the hairdresser every single morning at 7am
>perfect clothing, effortlessly looking both cute and approachable
>perfect natural nails
>perfect voice and mannerism
>never show any hint of annoyance, as if their lives is just this nevermind stream of fun and praise
they're literally the male gaze incarnate, they all fucking look and feel the same, makes me want to kms, like I could spend all my time, all my saving for years and probably wouldn't even look a 10th as good, they all make it look effortless as well, like it's all they've been busying themselves with from birth till now, looking perfect at all times is like their second nature
I'm literally seething all day every day, I feel like giving up and dropping out every single time I come across one, and they're literally everywhere
I'm not even really ugly and I still want to hide myself in shame and never look back
I think I'm starting to turn myso even

No. 430730

>>430727
Can’t offer much support but I feel the same way. I’m sorry things are like this.

No. 430731

>>430727
Same, i try so hard to be that girl but i just can't lmfao

No. 430737

>>426239
>but its clear even pedos have standards
not really, there's some that will go after unconventional and fat girls on purpose because they think they're more vulnerable or think that no one will believe them. maybe you just got lucky

No. 430830

>>430727
then try snooping on their conversations, and you'll be astonished by what you find, all I've ever catched them talking about was either about who's fucking who, or the latest cosmetic, like try this gloss this, check out my latest dry shampoo that!, like bitches, aren't I supposed to be the one having no life? do you even have hobbies besides getting ready to get fucked all day?
plus what really makes my blood boil is how they're only even here as a glorified womanchild daycare, they don't even need to pass, they know they've already made it anyway
that's what ivy league schools feel like to your average slaving wannabe phd candidate

No. 430831

>>430632
You don't understand psychology. if someone is not allowed or cannot have something they really want a lot of the time they can build an entire philosophy around why it's wrong, it's harmful and people engaging in it are retarded, sick individuals when in reality almost all things are completely neutral. Then this resistance becomes integrared over time into the ego so it feels like you are acting against "yourself" if you do the thing. If the resistance to something is so strong then you can be sure that on the other side of that is a want that is equally strong. That's why she is conflicted about getting surgery but you are not.

No. 430832

>>430727
>>430731
>they all fucking look and feel the same
>i try so hard to be that girl but i just can't

Why tho

No. 430974

I really hate my front profile so much. My eyelids are uneven because I sleep on my side, I hate my eyeshape, they’re too round and look unflattering with my angular face shape. I kind of like my sharp nose but feel my eyes ruin the facial harmony

No. 431149

>>430727
>I'm not even really ugly
Then gtfo. This is not the “boo hoo I’m not as stylish as rich girls” thread and it’s frankly insulting to come here of all places and complain about that.

No. 431154

>>430727
>I think I'm starting to turn myso even
You deserve to look and feel like shit

No. 431211

>>431154
blowing thousands every month on cosmetics and professional care isn't a grind I respect, it's just endgame pickmeism, and simply pushing the bar for everyone around them
>>431149
but the gap is exactly the same, as brutally insurmountable, since it's not a matter of work you put in, it's just flaunting generational wealth and leasure

No. 431227

>>431211
nope, not the same, the reason is different. Go to the vent thread or make your own thread.

No. 431230

>>431211
Does every single women at your school actually spend every minute in the gym and dime on makeup? Or are you seething because they are not obese and unbathed? Consider that you are severely mentally ill, and might not be perceiving reality accurately.

No. 431233

>>431230
They're probably like average weight, have a skincare routine and straighten their hair before school or something

No. 431238

>>430727
>>430731
it’s easy to lament something that feels unobtainable but it’s important to question if you’d really want to be that girl if you suddenly could. would you enjoy living under that identity? being the "male gaze incarnate"? would it make you happy? would you want to do the same perfect makeup that everyone else does and put on clothing that everyone else has? can you commit to the gym lifestyle?

i used to be jealous of them too, i actually came pretty close in highschool, grew out my hair, found less frumpy clothes, did minimal makeup until i felt about the same cuteness level with the other girls (suspend your disbelief, this was a british school lol). it was lame and gay. it wasn't my vibe. i suck at being a normie girl but normie girls would likewise suck at being me, because i’m my own person with my own talents and strengths, and so are you.

so do you genuinely want to do all that? personally gym & positive mindset are the only points important to me, that shit is life changing, i dont care about the other stuff.

No. 431247

>>431238
it's not so much that I envy their appearance or the attention they get, but it's actually the lifestyle of self-centered "idleness" that they flaunt, that's what makes them attractive, it just screams "I have so much free time and disposable money just look at what I can afford to achieve"
while I literally have to work 60-hours a week just to secure my place in this hellhole, I don't actually have time for any of this crap, I'm lucky if I can hastly straighten my hair not to look like a complete dork once every other morning, before comuting for over an hour, and find a few hours to do some cardio every week not to die prematurely at age 40
and they either live on luxury campus dorms or in their nearby mcmansion
I could spend hours researching every little subject related to human physiology and cosmetic chemistry like an autistic redditor, but that wouldn't even come close to professional care, they probably don't even know the first thing about anything either besides knowing how to order them at the menu, so it's just served to them in a silverplate
that's what I seethe about, and there's literally nothing I can do

No. 431250

their status permeates every inches of their bodies
and they make sure it does, every single day, just go flaunt it in my face
while I get to look like a depressed and haggard waggie only getting woefully ignored at best or quick sneers at worst as I storm through

No. 431251

No one respond to the derailing sperg.

No. 431253

that hair treatment they're all on? just looked it up, it's a 3 hours session, every week, at an hefty $350 price tag
that one topical lotion? that'll be $70/oz please, and please make sure to plaster your whole face, let alone your whole body with it, 3 times a day

No. 431254

cute socks Stacy, where'd you get it from? oh that, only $120 at my personal tailor, it was a bargain really(spergy tripleposting)

No. 431281

>>430253
>Literally no1curr except for chronically online people who selfloathe themselves
I don't notice subtle surgery, i'm not well versed in that. I wasn't even thinking about strangers, i was thinking of anon's friends, family, her coworkers, all the people she knows. They won't miss her appearance change, they'll know she hated herself enough to go under the knife. It's undignified and permanent, unlike her own struggle to make peace with her looks. She might keep getting surgeries and then everyone will know. Your response is disproportionate, did it strike a nerve or something? Dysmorphia is a mental illness, cope
>>430486
Great answer. You get used to hating your looks but it isn't normal. It's just not. There are other, better things to do and plastic surgery doesn't treat the underlying issue.

No. 431414

>>431281
>Your response is disproportionate, did it strike a nerve or something? Dysmorphia is a mental illness, cope
kek nona i thought the same exact thing, it definitely struck a nerve. she's way too aggressive and still has yet to say how plastic surgery actually helps anybody. i can only guess she's yet another example of someone who got plastic surgery and it didn't magically fix their self-esteem.

>>431281
>There are other, better things to do and plastic surgery doesn't treat the underlying issue.
agreed. i think that nona gave good advice, there isn't only two options. therapy can help. plastic surgery has risks and it doesn't restore someone's destroyed confidence. often times it feels like the person will continue to keep fixating on more and more parts of their face they don't like and continue to get surgeries until they're unrecognizable or are straight up bogged. many such cases. that's why if the original nona already has reservations, i would suggest she stick to her principles because just one procedure can spiral her down a path of many other procedures that will lead her feeling unfufilled

No. 432350

>>430727
>perfect voice
Huh? I think you need to chill out a bit. Women with good bone structure also have great skin and body. So they don't have to do much to achieve the ideal look.

Since they already have a great body and face, they don't have to spend much time on the makeup and dressing because they will look great anyway. I think it's halo effect. Even if you dress perfectly and do your makeup, you won't look as good as them.

You also said they're rich which means they can invest more money into beauty.

>>431281
Same points being made. Beauty is everything if you're a woman. There's no point in denying it. Plastic surgery is the best investment you can make to yourself. What do you people think therapy is? Magic wand? Therapy won't do shit to you if you have real problems. Drugs can help you to function better. I don't think anyone in here who advice her to do the opposite of getting surgery have good intentions.

No. 434745

I used to struggle with body dysmorphia and depression. It is still a part of my life but during the last half a year I made tremendous progress. I managed to distance myself from a lot of triggers and I have been doing great really. Got a new job, moved houses, got a new wardrobe that makes me feel comfy. I stopped caring about my looks a lot, even coming to work without perfectly shaved legs and not caring (this is a lot for my obsessive ass). I am more vocal about my opinions and more open in general.
My issues stem from having a couple bad facial features. On their own they wouldn't be that terrible, very unconventional though, but having all of them together makes me look kinda ugly. Like I have a pretty big nose, both tall and wide and upturned so I look like a pig, long philtrum, pretty small lips, big forehead, bad hairline shape and cleft chin. On top of that I had very bad acne, that despite everything I did to treat it left a lot of scarring and discoloration that is still fading. So overall, that is pretty fucked. My body unfortunately is not earning me any points either.
Now there is the thing. I got hired at this place with this other girl. She is like three years younger than me, she is nice and of course she is prettier than me. I didn't really put much thought into it at the begining. We were both talking to the same people at the office, since we all sit with the same group. Both me and her got pretty close and we later made friends with the rest of people. I was feeling great about it all. Honestly the people were the best part of the job. I quickly learned that I have a LOT to talk about with our work friends, since me and the group have much more matching interests than the them and the girl. So even though she was prettier I thought I will do just as well socially since I'm talking with a lot of them so much, some days much more than she does.
Well it started slow I guess, but I did notice it. At the beginning it was just overly making sure that she is doing okay at work, checking if she needs help, and trying to help ease her struggles a bit. I was assumed sometimes to just "make it work" whereas she was worried about and helped. Then there were times where me and her were bantering and our work friends would assume that I said something fucked up because she is "too nice" to be able to have such a strong riposte. Essentially assuming that I must be the "mean one". At one point they straight up said it, that they would believe that I was being mean. Even though they hear her sometimes obliterating me when we banter. It's also annoying that they constantly ask her about herself, whereas I don't get the same treatment. She can also talk for long periods of time and everyone will listen without interrupting.
But last week was too much. So, I graduted nonnies. I got my degree, yay for me. So I have been stressing over that thing the entire two months and a half that I have been working there, venting to people at work and all. And last week I had my defence of thesis. The other girl on the other hand was starting university that week. Guess who got asked about their shit. Yeah, she did. No one fucking remembered to ask me. But they all ask about her schedule and classes and what not. It hurt nonnies.
At this point I believe it must be my looks. People immediately treat me differently. No matter how nice I am, how social I try to be and how good I'm meshing with people interest wise I still get worse treatment.
Now I'm back in this ugly spiral of researching plastic surgery and intensive facial treatments. If I had the money right now I would just do it.
I truly wanna come back to being a shut in and just isolate away from people. No matter how hard I try I guess it won't matter in the end and this is proofcof that. It's all so futile. I gave it my best shot and it's still nothing ffs.

No. 434746

>>434745
I feel really lucky I've never worked in a job where I could have compared directly like that, that's really rough. I have had very good luck working in jobs where my coworkers are much older than me, maybe you could try something like that. My theory is people treat you nicely if you are the only youngster around and seem to be trying your best, because it reminds everyone of themselves when they were your age and when they are interacting with you from a place of nostalgia, your looks don't matter.



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