/g/ - girl talk

I’d give anything to go back and live in the late 90s/early 2000s. Felt like the perfect time to be a goth. I cant stop watching and reading goth stuff from that time period. It’s too late for me now but that nostalgia….

Are there any goth women that are tomboys/butch or dress androgynous?

>>445672
Is there water in the ocean?
Are boar shitting and pissing in the forest?

>>445669
I don't that era sucked.

>>445686
Don't be so condescending

>>445612
>But overall my sentiments align with >>445483 where I think a lot of the stuff look too tacky and costumey for me to fele to ever wear them which is funny because as someone who likes the romantic look, I've fallen for the trap of trying some of their pieces that look romantic only to not feel confident or comfortable in it at all
That's why I can't shop online. The reason I bought the Romwe top is because I could see and feel it. It hits the Romantic vibes and I think if I saw it on the internet, I wouldn't buy it. It's too much of a gamble for me, and I don't like to waste money. I'd be crushed if I bought something that looked romantic and find out the fabric was cheap or it didn't look right. The advice I can give anons who were scammed like that; get an unpicker and buy some material that you like. Unpick the shirt or whatever, and lay that garment over your chosen fabric. Cut out around the pieces and sew a new one. That might seem like a lot of effort, but if the style is right but the material is wrong, it's worth it. Trads did that in the 80s and 90s and I appreciate their dedication. I know it's easier to buy a few things from Shein or Killstar, but I feel like they enjoy scamming us.

>>445669
Post interesting screen caps plz

>>445669
I think we tend to romanticise these eras. If you got picked on or harassed for being goth, it wasn't fun. Yes, the clothes were cool but they were expensive. I didn't like Christians chasing me down the street with a Bible to repent and come to God. There were better things like people didn't spend all their time looking at their phones. We actually hung out with friends. The music was ok but bands like Slipknot and Korn were lumped in with goth. You were still the outcast even among alt kids because goth was seen as the extreme end of the spectrum. Goths usually stuck together and it was a relief to see other goths in places because you knew you had something in common.

>>445707
Even if you didn't get outright picked on, you probably got excluded for being "scary" at some point. It's also nice having easier access to music and zines nowadays, even if not everyone takes advantage of it

>>445669
I've always felt this way too. Better music and films, usenet groups, concerts and clubs, my favorite era of video games too. Also a higher chance of meeting another "goth" kid even if they were a bit of a poser. You often see groups of goths or at the very least Marilyn Manson fans from the 90s, but I was the only vaguely alternative person at the high school I graduated from a few years ago. Sure there was bullying back then, but I was bullied too anyway and it would have been nice to have a slight chance at meeting at least one similar person. Nowadays most people who dress alternative are boring vapid egirls or pandering to 'big titty goth girl' fetishists

>>445710
I second that. Music wasn't easy to come by unless you knew other goths. Sometimes it was word of mouth, mostly it was magazines. But obscure bands were hard to find because they weren't picked up by magazines. That's why sites like Vampire Freaks etc were good for people to recommend music that wasn't mainstream goth. And I like how easy it is to access music. I remember it took ages to download an MP3 file with dial up internet.

Late '90s early '00s as being good era for goth music? Maybe if you were all about Sisters of Mercy clones. I can name only like five bands out of top of my head from these times that did not sound like ripping off SoM and side projects of it's members. I don't count bands that started in the '80s here.

>>445724
Despite all the shit Spotify pulls, being able to find rarities and compilations in a few clicks and listen instantly is pretty great

>>445672
Yeah I'm a goth butch, what do you wanna know?

>>445691
It's more of poking fun at idea that you have to be of specific features to enjoy gothic rock.

>>445739
Agreed. I'm happy I can hear music I wouldn't find otherwise. Singers who are unsigned to any label upload their songs to Bandcamp or Spotify and we get to hear them. That's really cool because they aren't pressured to be the next Robert Smith or Siouxie. They just make music for the creative outlet.

>>445768
There have not been a better time for gothic rock - you can start a band in South America and get listeners on another continents the same week. Unheard of in earlier times.

>>445740
NTA but do you wear makeup? I feel like my outfits are incomplete without at least eyeliner even when I try to dress masc

>>445847
Why does it even matter to you? There is no obligation to wear or to not wear anything specific. Can't you people just stop caring and just be yourself? It's about music, not the look.

>>445616
>My favorite ever skirt came from a renaissance festival stall.
I've bought some cool jewellery from Ren faires. Some do leather belts or leather under bust corsets. We can make ourselves unique without looking like Killstar clones.

>>445835
Cemetery Siren is an independent artist who has a Bandcamp and YouTube. Back in the early 2000s it would have been difficult for her to get her music out. Let alone find a venue to perform and gain followers. It's a shame there were independent singers during those times, and hardly anyone knew of them. Now we hear about them via YT or Spotify, but usually they broke up or no longer make music.

>>445847
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>>445758
How did you get that from what I said…? I simply wanted to see photos of butch goth women since I haven't seen that many before, and the ones I've seen were from women who did andro looks only a few times

Anyone bought anything from https://www.rocknromancevintage.com/ ? Basically a lot of 1950s style designs. They look nice in the photos. No idea how items look in person and what is quality. Picrel is a random image of black stuff from their offer.

>>445724
>>445739
>>445768
The problem with Spotify and music in general now is that there is basically no more middleground between manufactured pop for people with empty brains and <2,000 monthly listener nobodies anymore. I would happily trade going back to CDs and magazines if it at least meant there were new bands to talk about. I feel like every time I meet other people into music, even when they're other zoomers, 95% of their recommendations are for stuff at least 15 years old.

>>445904
We need more zines, blogs, and newsletters run by music nerds who are willing to do the crate digging to find new bands and get them out to the more passive side of the scene. You used to be able to rely more on setlists from events too if you had a good local dj

>>445669
I'm honestly split tbh. On the one hand, while I wasn't a goth in the late 90s-early 2000s as I was just a "mallgoth" lol If I were an actual goth back then, I feel I would've liked it if I knew the right people and was able to go see goth bands performing. But on the other hand, finding goth music was quite difficult compared to the turn of music social media like bandcamp and music archive sites. And not to mention all the misappropriation that goth had with so many non-goth bands being referred to as "goth". I started to learn better about goth around 2008 and I then understood why older goths were annoyed of mallgoth.

>>445707
I think you're right that maybe we do romanticize the earlier eras but it's tough not to if you lived through it, the more significant thing about the 90s and early-mid 00s was that it was final decades before the world got swept by social media. It existed, we had LiveJournal and MySpace but they were more like passing things and not used in a way like how TikTok is used. And of course we can still kinda live like those times, well try to anyway by hanging out with our friends in person if life hasn't gotten too busy. Unfortunately for many of us, life did get busy and we lost touch of friends and it can tough trying to make time to meet new people if your own life is busy plus the rising cost of things like gas and all that, it's kinda depressing lol.
And even though we did get picked on and bullied, I really did like that sense of camaraderie that alt kids had. School life could be tough but if you had that small but tight group, it made things so much more bearable and fun.

>>445714
>Nowadays most people who dress alternative are boring vapid egirls or pandering to 'big titty goth girl' fetishists
I so feel this. I used to work at a grocery store and I remember a few times whenever I would see someone who looked alt, I would compliment and try to have a brief conversation about music. I still remember one of them who looked like a goth exclaim she didn't know who Sisters of Mercy or Rosetta Stone were but she really liked Ghost and was a Swifty… Not that it's wrong to like non-alt music or anything but it's rare when I find other people who are into goth rock or even alt rock these days. I know they are out there but they seem to rarer to find as each year passes. I think it's partly because rock music in general is not really popular anymore which makes me feel even older and I'm only in my early 30s lol.

>>445941
>I still remember one of them who looked like a goth exclaim she didn't know who Sisters of Mercy or Rosetta Stone
You could have had same adventure back in the '90s and even more likely in the'80s. The look is deceptive and many of looks we consider today as "obviously tradgoth" were in fact generic punky looks that were sported also by "regular punks" including these who never listened to any gothic rock band (or whatever was term used in their area for what we call gothic rock today).

>>445941
>I still remember one of them who looked like a goth exclaim she didn't know who Sisters of Mercy or Rosetta Stone were but she really liked Ghost and was a Swifty…
i've had similar experiences, i had a coworker who was a self-proclaimed corp goth (still love her to death) who considered aisha erotica goth and was mad that our local goth club wouldn't play her on request.

>>445928
Absolutely but more than that, we need a way to actually get people to follow those types of things again.

>>445951
At this point, even if the person didn't actually listen to goth music but listened to punk and alternative music, I would gladly take that over what I see nowadays because at least they listen to some kind of rock music and it would be a nice experience to connect on that lol

>>445972
ayesha erotica is a man

>>445988
yeah i know he's a tranny, that was a typo i didn't notice.