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I feel like there are so many LGBT stories where the only two gay kids in school are a nerd and a douchebag jock who bullies him, and then they enter an unhealthy relationship that's doomed from the start. Just off the top of my head, pic related, Geography Club, Perks of Being a Wallflower, and about a shit zillion fanfics. Do westerners not know how to tell any other kind of teenage gay love story?
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sorry couldn't think of a better thread image
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The "I'm the funny guy ahahah but also mysterious… but funny!!", only Lau from Kuroshitsuji pulled that shit right.
enemies to lovers because they always water down the villain.>>129818>having british people in every fantasy setting
Having British people in every historical setting. I could be watching a period drama about the Romans and everyone would still have British accents. I'm tired of British accent = royalty.
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Almost every brooding emo bad boy type, they come off as an obnoxious whiny incel without a single redeeming quality, are usually the most unlikeable character in the cast, but the author desperately wants you to see them as sympathetic/cool anyway. Everything they do, no matter how shitty gets excused because "muh tragic past" and half the time they're written like Mary Sues.
When it comes to edgy characters in general, if they're at least entertainingly edgy or don't take themselves seriously and get rid of that "woe is me" bullshit then I might tolerate them. Although I think the female versions of this trope are less annoying in comparison.
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basically just explained golden boy
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it's okay, you can say Projared
The Canon explanation that most fans agree on for why Batman doesn't kill the Joker is that if he kills one person even the Joker, he'll never stop, he will literally just never stop killing
Honestly I prefer redhood over anyone in the batfam, he's my buff edgy husband
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The bullied,wimpy nerd/geek trope needs to die
Being a geek or nerd has already been normalized years ago,it's so outdated and stupid.it doesn't need to exist anymore
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The character is a absolute irredeemable brat/bitch/ass/etc but they're traumatizeeeeed so 90% of fans will bend over backwards saying it's realistic etc. Him mostly but her actions made me want to punch her teeth in.
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I just came into this thread to say I hate everything those two characters stand for, but you said it way better than I could.
This would kinda make sense in comics if the bad guys (mass murderers) didn’t always
seem to escape from their superultramax prison. The Joker escapes every week and murders more innocent people. After a while, you can’t justify not
killing him. I used to enjoy reading Batman but it’s just too predictable after a while.
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Grrrrl power bland ass characterization for female heroines / protagonists. The end of captain marvel is so fucking cheesy and quippy, I want my heroines to be badass but also genuinely flawed.
Also hate the new trend of turning classic female villains into victims. Let me have my deliciously evil villainesses please, like Hela from Thor, who has a motivation besides “just evil” but is still powerful and terrifying. Cartoon Maleficent is better than stupid ass wooby live action Maleficent.
I mean I hate this all with male characters too but who cares about them?
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What are the odds I was just about to post something similar regarding girlboss characters, It can lead to shit like this where feminsim will end up defending landlord rights
You reminded me of another trope that I hate>character A and B are in an extremely close relationship>character C becomes obsessed with A and pulls off some scheme to break them up and take B's place>both characters A and B think the other one suddenly doesn't want them in their life>Despite all odds, characters A and B rekindle their relationship. However they NEVER discuss wtf actually happened, even though it would be impossible to be close again without talking it out. >Sometimes character C gets immediately dropped and forgotten about by the story. That's lazy writing. Still better than the worst case:>Because somehow A and B never talked about their great break-up, character C gets off scott free and continues being friends with both A and B.
As seen in Oniisama E. I love Mariko for being a realistic BPD mess, but that plothole drove me crazy
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Manufactured melodrama over problems that could be solved within 2 minutes of open conversation. See: every k-drama ever. Let's say character A and B are supposed to meet at a certain time. Character B doesn't make it because they've gotten in a terrible accident and are literally on their deathbed. Character A is sad and when B recovers and tries to talk to A, they're cold because they think they got stood up. Instead of just saying "I was in a life-threatening accident" they will then spiral thinking A never liked them at all, furthering B's belief that they've had a sudden change of heart. Fucking YEARS later someone will say "Hey, did you ever get to see B after their accident?" and A will gasp, wring their hands and sob, realizing they never intended to stand them up and it was all just a big misunderstanding! If you had FUCKING TALKED TO THEM this would've been sorted in seconds, but nooo, you can't open your fucking mouths! Or even worse, you'll have character C who has been blatantly jealous of A and B's relationship the whole time spread gossip about B when they try to explain the accident, and A ends up believing C because drama.
It's such a fucking cheap tactic but I've ended up watching so many series out of pure rage rather than any enjoyment because I just want to see some justice served.
You two just talking about fabricated drama just reminded me of Naruto, and the Sakura/Ino drama, lmao that crap pissed me of so much even as a tween cuz of how retarded it was. Girls were supposed to be friends but then they become enemies because they both like Sasuke, wich was so stupid cuz Sasuke was supposed to be the crush of every girl in class already.
"Girls fighting over a boy" has potential for a lot of shit-showiness.
there some tension between joker and batman.
The creators of batman in the beginning of the comics made Joker gay (then they made him straight/bi later) so yeah that says something.
This is a good one. I remember reading a longer discussion about this somewhere and it's so obnoxious how the writers use it to dismiss their (male) character of sexism while being sexist themselves. "Silly women, in this post-sexist world you still actually think men look down on you?" Uuh… what are you doing, bro? And they never acknowledge the reason the female character would have that kneejerk reaction in the first place, precisely because she's dealt with scrotes hurling sexist shit at her all her life. Off the top of my head it happens in A Knight's Tale, but I have to give that movie credit because it actually acknowledges the problem with this trope. Heath Ledger's character is
being a piece of shit and trying to goad a reaction out of Kate, so he can get his armor fixed for free.
>William: Excuse me->Kate: Don't work for free.>William: And I can't joust with broken armor.>Kate: Your problem, not mine. Each droplet of sweat has a price on it.>William: It's just as well, they said I was daft for even asking.>Kate: Who?>William: Oh, the other armorers.>Kate: Did they say I couldn't do it because I'm a woman?>William: No, they said you were great with horseshoes, but shite with armor. The fact that you were a woman wasn't even mentioned.>[Kate rushes over and grabs the armor]
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When psychic characters hold out their hand to use their powers. It 1) doesn't make sense and 2) doesn't look as cool as filmmakers think it does
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Made me remember Charmed where in the early seasons she'd squint to use her powers with an very quick zoom, and it always looked so silly. So I'm not sure what'd be a good way to show psychics powers.
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Probably already mentioned but shaggy, fat (or gangly), weak-jawed, balding mutants paired up with hot girlfriends/wives. I've literally never seen the reverse, the girl always has to glow up to land a dude first which is laughable since men will settle for anything so long as they're getting pussy.
I feel like it's following "wand rules", which is silly because wands channel magic and psychics don't necessarily need to channel anything to use their psychic powers. >>140036
Hand to the head a la Professor X is good imo, makes more sense to show the character focusing inward rather than outward.
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In Ingobernable (Mexican Netflix series) there's a middle aged, kinda ugly female character who's dating an obviously much younger and better looking man. This is the only example I can think of and still she looks more well put together than the man in your example.
Pic related, they're the two in the middle.
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Not sure if this counts as a trope since it's unintentional a lot of the time, but I hate when child characters act wayyy out of their age range. Children written like adults is the most common, where the writers apparently can't tell the difference between a smart child and an actual adult. Like, to some extent I get that 'wise beyond their years' characters can exist, but even if it's a fairly mature kid they aren't going to be this noble and self-sacrificing. Media that's actually aimed at kids mostly gets this right, but with older target audiences smart or wise kids are almost never realistic.
It can definitely go the other way too, with ~10 year old kids acting like they're 6. This one I mostly chalk up to the writers never being around any actual children of that age. They just don't get how stupid it is to see a kid that looks like he should be crudely drawing dicks on dusty cars with his friends and instead he's enthousiastically playing hide and seek and hiding behind a too thin tree.
One character that really bothers me because of this is Kaylee, the granddaughter of Mike in Better Call Saul (and BB I guess). It's this 11 year old girl whose favorite pastime is getting pushed on the swings by her grandpa at the playground and whose entire vocabulary consists of 'yay', 'ice cream' and 'pop-pop'. Like jesus, 11-12 is the age of being obsessed with Harry Potter books and getting crushes on boys and stuff, not giggling like a toddler because your pop-pop is giving you a piggyback ride. She legitimately comes across as mentally retarded and it's really off-putting to look at imo.
>>141264>Children written like adults is the most common, where the writers apparently can't tell the difference between a smart child and an actual adult. Like, to some extent I get that 'wise beyond their years' characters can exist, but even if it's a fairly mature kid they aren't going to be this noble and self-sacrificing.
You reminded me of that awful Christian glurge series of supposedly non-fiction novels about a guy meeting a 6 years old (or 10 at tops) waif who is so smart and knows God and loves the man so much. It was actually called 'Mister God, This is Anna':>Anna, the found child, is an instinctive theologian with a boundless curiosity for physics, biology and mathematics. Much of the book describes her ad hoc science experiments involving magic lanterns, slide rules, voltmeters, revolving paddles in bathtubs and belts with buzzers riveted to them. Fynn portrays himself as a perpetually foxed comic foil to Anna’s pint-sized Socrates. She asks many questions, rejecting his conventional answers and drawing them toward a fuller sense of God’s nature.
YIKES>One character that really bothers me because of this is Kaylee, the granddaughter of Mike in Better Call Saul (and BB I guess)
Yeah, Kaylee makes zero sense. I assume she's as old as the plot needs at the moment, regardless of the actress' age or lore (?)
Related to this I really hate "misunderstanding" as a trope. >Characters have been pining for the longest time>They're finally getting together>The other character overhears an out of context discussion and thinks the other one doesn't actually love them>Drama ensues
It's such a lazy, time-wasting way to write cheap conflict. Why did you need to take this weird detour just to drag the story on longer? We know they're going to clear up the misunderstanding and end up together so what's the point?
Was gonna post this one. The problem here is they want cheap drama, like you said, but having a couple face an external threat would involve actual thinking in the writing, and why do that when you can make the drama cheap and internal instead?
Also, I don't know if its a trope, but that thing I used to see all the time in HBO shows. Male character and female character look at one another. Show them fucking a few minutes later.
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>the mean girl dressed like a bimbo
I wish we would get more highly fashionable MCs who are heavily into makeup and who aren't school "mean girls".
I'm so tired of main characters dressed like shit and who are quirky and relatable, but I guess you can blame the early 2000's teen movies for that. It's not even realistic, because I'm sorry but women bullies are most of the time uggos dressed like chavs. Can't we get a pink & sparkly woman as mc who's nice and intelligent for once?
>>142045>I'm sorry but women bullies are most of the time uggos dressed like chavs
says who? my idea of it are chicks on their iphone 10 in leggins and a tee or on the toilet just bored.
elle woods did it tho, she was peak stacie but she achieve a lot of cool shit. >>142045
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I'm not surprised this shit was written by a woman, this looks like a typical melodramatic shojo manga with your typical slutty bad boy main character, incest fetish undertones and shitty love triangles lol.
A subtrope of this, ridiculously prominent in shoujo and fanfiction:
Female protagonist is a girl from a poor/middle class family, with no other traits than being nice, naive and kinda pretty. She's as average as possible, in fantasy setting she may have some stupid power like "the heart" or whatever makes her "special" (but she still has to be saved by everyone). Meanwhile her love interest is the school prince from a rich/aristocratic family, who plays the piano like a master, speaks several languages, can recite poetry at a drop of a hat and is always insufferably cool. Or at least he's the bad boy school rebel, who's still insufferably cool and may be secretly rich. For some reason he falls in love with the dumb protagonist, who constantly gushes over his looks, money, status and talents. He may also be a tortured genius for one reason or another, and she heals him with her tender heart.
It always pissed me off, because I wanted the girls to be better educated, worldly and more impressive than guys. My personal theory about the rise of villainess isekai is that people got tired of the average high school student protagonist in shoujo and this is the result, albeit I find the isekai excuse retardedly contrived.>>129911
Not a trope, but I hate Batfamily. Aside from Batman as a concept being dumb, him introducing other people to vigilantism makes him look even more like a douchebag moron, considering how badly it often ends. Batman Beyond was actually good in deconstructing the entire concept: years later Bruce is a lonely bitter old man, Tim Drake got fucked over, Dick Grayson broke off completely, Barbara is pretty antagonistic, and nobody trusts Bruce due to him being manipulative dick.
I hate this 'mean popular girl' trope because they're always super feminine, like pink clothes and glamorous and confident. It's like when a woman owns her femininity, it's a crime, and she's supposed to want to be like a guy. And there's nothing wrong with girls who like to dress down and play sports etc, but it's really 2 dimensional and unfair the way it's shown in movies.
Most of all, I hate the way women in horror movies are shown. The camera shots are often from above and make her look like prey, and kind of treat her like half of a human. Just no personality, but something stupid and there to be looked at and hunted. I hate it and it's dehumanising. But I know there's going to be better horror soon, and maybe we're leaving these tropes behind now.
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Depends, when written by men it's usually their boner for femdom. Some mangaka have literally said so explicitly out loud, lol. Picrel.
Ughh I'm getting Usagi Drop flashbacks
Fuck this trope
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tomboy gf, even worse when they slap on giant tits and ass because why bother being subtle these days?
Depicted as "one of the boys" or at least the only girl that actually "gets" generic male protagonist-chan. Towards him they act like an innocent tsundere princess virgin or dommy mommy hooker depending on the creator, either way they'll have the skills of an experienced porn star. The creator put in the most cliche way they can have tomboy gf scream "I'm NOT like the other girls" with their looks. Typically with a $2 short hair cut and at least one article of oversized "male" clothing. If they do put on something like a dress they "n-never wore this girly stuff before" and make a deal out of it just for generic guy-chan.
You can tell that the guys who obsess over this trope think they're open minded for being "different" than the usual guys who like the same exact traits but with longer hair and clothes that actually fit them properly as the only difference.
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Perfect wife/female lover that only exists to fix their angsty and/or cynical male love interest to be decent people. Using these characters as a visual example because after finishing season 4 of Castlevania it's really prominent how shallow the studio writers write their female characters who also get to live in the end.
Their traits are usually defined by:
>Either weaker or at the same level in combat and/or skills as their male love interest
>Isn't considered a "weak" female character because she can actually banter and occasionally throw some lukewarm sass
>Has at least one scene near the beginning where she's actively helping the people around them to emphasis how nice and compassionate they are
>No emotional baggage or notable personal issues they need to work on (only men are allowed to have that, duh)
>No character development, she's pretty much the exact same person from the beginning to the end
>Acknowledges and fixes the flaws of her male love interest mostly through being his personal therapist which she does so flawlessly
>At worst she'd give a "serious" lecture maybe even with finger pointing but forgives him no matter how messed up the guy is
>Male love interest could literally be a violent, anti-social murderer and writers make it out to be something that the female love interest will happily fix or at least overlook
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I see a lot of shit tropes that piss me off in horror medias (mainly movies and video games);
>When a pet is needlessly killed and its death is used as an emotional spookiness
I hate it, it's so fucking lame. The only time it worked was with the dog from I'am Legend, because the dog was actually a fully dvp character.
>"Wowee, it all happened in their heads all along!1!1"
A trope that became old real quick and became synonymous with lazy writting, it's the basis for every predictable plot twists in video games and horror psychological movies.
this one is the worst one and only applies to horror video games, especially indie ones
>The father (MC that we play as) killed his entire family and killed himself afterwards. We play through limbo him finding out what he did
It's in so many indie horror games and I'm tired of playing as a piece of shit reading through a bunch of notes around his hq residential house asset
Dunno, it only made me remember Rebecca, where the "suspicious" husband turns out to be justified in killing his age-appropriate wife, who takes over his life, bewitches everyone and then cheats on him and gives a maniacal speech about cucking him, how the children won't be his and how he can do nothing against it, which leads to him murdering her out of desperation
. Although it's not really a straight example of the trope, and at least is treated like the main mystery, not just a throwaway detail or plotline.
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I hate the slutty girl who has a stacking body count who’s a complete bitch and has no redeeming qualities yet somehow gets to end up happily married and with the bashful nice guy trope. You basically see this in every anime, especially shoujo, and it’s annoying as hell. Examples: Kuzu no Honkai, Panty and Stocking, Princess Jellyfish, etc. etc.
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Sure it’s totally gonna feel “based” when you catch all of the nasty STI’s she’s got crawling between her legs after fucking 1,000 guys before you. Are you really that fucking retarded that you’d want to marry a slut? Of all people?
What's wrong with birth control? People use it for many reasons
Also, that reasoning sounds scroteish>all of the nasty STI’s she’s got crawling between her legs
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I showed this to my virgin fiancee and you admittedly gave him quite a laugh. Last time I checked he has a full head of hair and isn't "racist" in the slightest, considering we're an interracial relationship.
So enjoy your trash media of whores getting their Disney princess fairytale happy ending. That's the closest that you'll ever get to experiencing what it is like to even have a guy who's attention you can get without you having to be spread-eagled on his cumstained bed for him.
Enjoy your Tinder hookup who, after he's done fucking you, tells you that he can stay for an hour and a half at your house to watch a Netflix movie, only to suddenly hear a text message buzz from his phone and that makes him suddenly have to leave, yet convinces you that it's just "for work". But it's really just him meeting up with another girl he finds more interesting and easier to hook up with.
Enjoy being married to a 3-time divorcee who drinks like a fish and is a closet hebephiliac because he remains emotionally scarred by the babysitter who raped him when he was 14 and can't down enough liquor to help him cope with his baggage.
Enjoy your fiction because that's the only semblance of happiness that you're ever going to get in your miserable lives, you worthless whores.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
KEK no one cares, sperg
go jerk off more to jailbait on /b/
This is autistic but I hate this-
"Susie's daughter goes missing, she calls her husband,David, who tells her that their daughter had died in a car crash. Susie KNOWS that's not the truth, she has flashbacks to the other day when her and their daughter, Jill were playing with dolls. She keeps seeing shit that reminds her that Jill is in fact NOT dead,she's remembering moments they had. Her husband keeps insuring her that Jill is really dead and Susie was harmed in the crash as well, causing her to have memory issues.
David tells her that every few months she has a mental breakdown where she refuses to believe Jill had died. Susie does not believe him.
Susie's on her way to the police station to report her daughter missing. She sees a little girl with blonde hair and a shirt her daughter has from the back, Susie jumps out the car runs towards the girl hugging her, the girl screams and it's not Jill.
Susie breaks down in the street and still ends up at the police station but because she had gotten arrested. Her husband picks her up and provides proof of Jill's death FINALLY.
Susie breaks down and starts to accept it. She starts going to a therapist who explains in details what had happened.Jill is convinced and wants to move on.
About a week later, she finds a picture or some shit that Jill drew, what she found is 100% proof that Jill had not died and there's no way it can be explained away. She knows Jill isn't dead and something is off.
Eventually,Susie finds out her husband is evil and sold their daughter off because he owed some rich and powerful people money. Evil husband David's best friend, John is the only one who believes Susie when she breaks it down. Of course, John is handsome and single.
David goes missing, Susie breaks numerous laws/harms innocent people and gets arrested and breaks out of jail, by knocking out a police officer with a chair or something, stealing her outfit and gun. She's fighting to save her daughter & doesn't tell ANYONE else what is going on. She has to do this herself, with the help of John. No other options. NONE.
Susie learns that an absurd amount of people were in on lying to her about Jill, She kills/seriously harms multiple people with Good Man John to save Sally. Then, when Jill is safe, they flash forward to Susie in a beautiful kitchen cutting carrots. Jill runs into the room asking if she could play outside longer before dinner.
Susie says no, Jill begins to whine and then Good Man David comes in and is like, "Come on baby, just 5 more minutes" kissing her on the neck.
Jill turns around, revealing she's pregnant with David's baby."
I hate every single trope i just wrote. I've watched movies with all of these tropes or some of the; I think I've watched maybe 20 lifetime movies with this same exact plot.
Something that frustates me to no end in those arcs is how the child is in the wrong if they don't want to forgive their parents, and are being cruel and imature by not wanting to deal with their pos parents.
Like, being an abusive
(physically and emotionally, sometimes even sexually) parent is forgivable, but a child telling their parent to fuck off is over the line? Bitch, fix your fucking moral compass because that shit is spinning more than a yo-yo.
Yes, that makes my blood boil. Somehow the kid is stunted and immature or selfish or something if they say fuck off and want nothing to do with the Dad or get really angry. Like "Can't you see they've changed? Can't you see they have a good side?" After years of being terrorized and held prisoner in their own home. I hate that the characters who jump to forgive everyone who wrongs them (and everyone around them) are considered more morally enlightened and pure.
>Bitch, fix your fucking moral compass because that shit is spinning more than a yo-yo.
Exactly. The fuck?
Adding onto that>I'm 30 and dedicated a good portion of my life to my career>you should be a housewife mc-chan>god mc-chan if you don't settle down RIGHT FUCKING NOW you're gonna die alone>MC-chan is perfectly happy with her job and has 0 problems with this fact>bishie co worker or boss enters her life and suddenly mc-chan gives a shit about both her age and the fact that she's a career woman
I also despise the mc trope where being "kind" is a substitute for a personality.
Unforgivable crime that actually turns out to have been justified and even "right" from a certain POV.
The best example (and one that has stayed with me for over 10 years, sadly) is from The Inquisitor Cycle - a Polish fantasy novel series that's basically a Witcher rip-off, but badly written and even more sexist (see https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheInquisitorCycle
for details). In one of the stories, there is a scene of a Friendzoned Nice Guy brutally raping a girl he's been in love with forever. To make things worse, the POV protagonist says>Don't get me wrong, rape is a constant in our miserable times and besides, it's not like women have that body part made out of soap so that they cannot service many men. Still, in this one case I felt kinda bad for the girl because she was so uwu horrified and the guy was fucking her so aggressively
Well, it turns out that the rapist was 'right' because if he hadn't raped the girl, she would be raped/murdered/sacrificed/whatever by some powerful guy. I was a dumb teen when I've read this shit, but I noticed the misogyny in the whole book (OF COURSE the protagonist's best friend is a brothel madame who offers him discounts or free fucks). I was confused by the justified rape plot twist cause I felt that if it was right why did it still feel wrong to me as a reader? As an adult women, I see that the whole plot was an excuse to put rape in that godforsaken book… plus, if sex was the only solution, why did the scrote not talk it out with the girl? Why didn't they look for a different solution? I may have forgotten some plot points, but it doesn't matter since the author still decided to write the story so that the rapist turned out to be a supposedly good person.
I feel like this type of a plot twist may have a name, but I couldn't find it on Tv Tropes.
This kinda reminds me of when Stephen King blasted Stanley Kubrick about how he changed Jack's character in The Shining, saying how he missed the point and that he was actually trying to be a better person and father/husband and redeem himself through the story, but I think Kubrick saw right through that and pretty much gave no excuses for Jack's behaviour in the movie. I read an interesting comment recently, actually, about how the book version of Jack shows the perspective of an abusive
father trying to excuse and whitewash his actions, while the movie version shows the perspectives of his victims
and how they deal with his abuse. I found that very interesting and accurate.
I thought I was alone in thinking that. I've always found it so insane that King defends his Jack and complains that the movie made Jack a bad and crazy person from the very start. Does he seriously not see how shitty of a person he is from the start? Like the entire reason he lost his teaching job was because he was fired for being a dick. He hates women due to thinking his mom was weak for taking his dads abuse. He had an affair and he broke his kids arm. I can get King being annoyed that his self insert didn't get his redemption arc in the movie. What I don't get is why he tries so hard to convince people the book version wasn't as terrible of a person at the start. Its also weird to me that King himself gets away with self inserting himself into every one of his books as an abusive
asshole. Its creepy that he admits the character is based on him. The character is a misogynistic abusive
asshole. Why does nobody think it's weird that King says the character was based on himself and that he stans the character and his precious redemption arc so hard?
This shit but also the trope where an evil abusive
pos mother is either just "uwu quirky mom" or being possessed/mind controlled/whatever because god forbid we show abusive
mothers in media and how awful that can be to have. At least abusive
fathers are cut out 50% of the time, abusive
moms get forgiveness in media almost every time.
This reminded me of a trope I hate that's sort of similar where it's basically trying to force the reader to sympathize with someone monstrous.
Basically>Character A is introduced as the lowest of the low, e.g. a serial pedophile, a wife beater, etc. >Main character hates them, as is normal>Enter some convoluted plot contrivance to justify Character A's crimes and actually their victims are the real evil ones OR a woman is somehow to blame for goading Character A to committing these atrocities
Some examples I can think of off the top of my head are >The cult leader child rapist in 1Q84 (the victims are actually magic fairies or some bs and they actually rape the poor paralyzed old man)>Allie's foster father in The Power by Naomi Alderman, another pedophile and rapist (it turns out his wife is actually the one who tells him to rape Allie, and she is the true evil one! #notallmen)>Ben in Dark Places by Gillian Flynn is a pedophile as well (but he actually never molested any girls! Except for one little girl who he just masturbated over, who becomes a stripper anyway so whatever right)>Alistair in Woman in the Window (movie) beats his wife and son (but his "wife" is actually his meth addict ex tormenting him, and his son is actually a psychopath who can't stop killing, so he beats them because he is trying to SAVE everyone!)
All of these plot points are satanic.
>Surprise! The rapist/pedo/domestic abuser is actually a good guy or being forced to do it by a woman.
Shut up shut up shut up.
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Lusamine is the big recent example that stood out to me. "uwu big scawy pokemon drugs were making her abuse her children!" or "uwu big scawy men from other universes made her do it!" depending on the game and her kids just shrug it off and are like "uwu I hope she is a nice mom soon!" Contrast that with fucking Ghetsis who gets no narrative sympathy for being a piece of shit.
There was also that "comedy" Mom that justified the mother character destroying her child's life over and over again and pushing her into alcoholism because "uwu she had a hard life too, you can't cUt OfF yOuR mOm!", but I honestly don't know if that one got better because watching half an episode of that awful crap made me ill.
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i really don’t like the “it was all a cult/conspiracy” twist, you know, like they did in night in the woods or hereditary (that one was barely a twist but w/e) to give some examples. it’s so dumb and overdone. though admittedly it was kind of funny in hot fuzz.
idk if this is an actual trope, but just overall when kids or teens (most often girls) in media don't act/talk/behave even remotely age appropriate. i feel like this is in SO many books and movies and series, but the example that first comes to mind, because i recently just finished watching it, is sweet tooth on netflix.
so the main character who is a young boy (like 10-12 i don't remember) is acting very age-adequate from the beginning. just being a kid, dressig like a kid, emoting like a kid and overall being recognized by others as a child.
then this group of "bad ass" kids (age range like 12-16 maybe?) enter the story and all act like adults except they all have animal costumes sometimes and otherwise dress like e-girls, and they play VR shooting games in an arcade (which is also like? why do they have an arcade with pinball games and stuff? this just feels like pandering to men in their 30s who grew up with early video game culture instead of kids today who play minecraft on their ipads). one of these tweens become a central character in the story, and all throughout the rest of the show she is written just like an adult character, except physically she's a kid. she interacts almost flirtily with the adult man helping out the main kid gus, and together it's as if they act almost like his parents taking responsibility of him together, despite her being in the same age range as the other kid and not the adult. another example of this is rachel in 500 days of summer. also that drug dealer child in euphoria, like come on now. these characters are just being casted as kids for no good reason at all. and they don't even get the "it's actually a 50000 year old immortal demon vampire" excuse like they do in anime.
speaking of this channel, anons opinions on this?
all I can keep thinking is that uhh these are written directed and perpetuated by men. their baseline is coombrain even when it comes to other men. jesus christ
>>147719>I hate Shonen anime/manga. Idk how people can't see that fight scenes do not make a good anime. It's the same contrived plot over and over again where they fight some baddies but then the stakes are heightened every arc. Yes there is Shonen I watch like yu-gi-oh and Jojo.
Based>Won't be long until Hollywood starts pumping out marvel like anime movies.
Aren't they already doing this? Capeshit is shonenshit for normies that can't into anime
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Densetsu Weed and Silver Fang Gin are unironically superior to other shounen mangas don't shit on them nonnie
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>"I'm actually a boy!"
>does gay things with male mc
>having little to no androgyny but just a drawn flat chest girl with Schrodinger's dick
>having the same uwu personality of being frail or optimistic with girly mannerisms
>having the slim slender feminine body figure sometimes with girl hips and thighs
>having a female voice
>purposely made for coomers to fap to
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Because people were talking about this in Moo's thread and I was reminded of my profound hate: The current iteration of gyaru (and the random characters that get called gyaru for no reason). It's, at best, just a lame watered down version of what gyaru aesthetic. Why did stupid moids suddenly develop a a fetish for it a decade or more past its peak? Why are there even historical and fantasy manga getting tagged as gyaru?
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And the spineless male leads they are often paired with.
As someone who was really into gyaru when it was still a thing I agree, it feels like they're obsessed with gyarus because they're portrayed as slutty mommydom street girls who bully their pathetic nerd asses by constantly giving them attention. Which couldn't be farther from the truth since most gyarus were based and couldn't care less about being a beta male bangmaid but you know, men need to fetishize every inch of any female thing and turn every female-specific interest into somehow being dedicated to male cooming. >>157282
I don't know, it seems to be more about>How do you like this, Incel-kun? I'm a beautiful, popular girl who's lowering herself to your level and accepting your disgusting dick because deep down I find you being absolutely pathetic adorable instead of thinking you're gross like I would in real life, tee hee!
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Not sure if this counts but
>Male non human character still gets the girl at the end of movie (shape of water, megamind, beauty and the beast, etc)
>Female non human character self sacrifices her love so that the male love interest can end up with a different woman and then dies sad and alone (little mermaid book, corpse bride, etc)
Genuine question is there a single book with an reversed beauty and the beast where the girl actually doesn't die and gets to be happy? Closest thing I can think of is Shrek, which barely counts since they both fall into the 'beast' category at the end, I guess little mermaid disney movie which also barely counts because she turns human at the end and like, if you really want to stretch the definition MAYBE howl's moving castle? Even then all of these end with the protagonist being beautiful at the end with the exception of Shrek.
I don't know honestly, but your post made me think of Lord of the Rings, and how Arwen had to give up being immortal to be with Aragorn. In the extended Tolkien universe that happens more times like with Beren and Luthien or Lothiriel and Eomer and there are probably more. And it's always a female elf giving up immortality to be with a male human. It always made me mildly salty that there were no male elf/human female pairings. I mean, that might exist somewhere in Tolkien's works, but if it does I'm unaware of it as I haven't read all of his works (and probably never will because there's a LOT). A girl just wants to dream of having a beautiful elf prince husband.
>Even then all of these end with the protagonist being beautiful at the end
I mean yeah but at least in Beauty and the Beast the prince became beautiful at the end, at least in the Disney one. I'm guessing that didn't happen in the other two you mentioned but I've never seen them.
Oh my God, don't remind me of The Corpse Bride! I was so fucking mad that Victor chose Victoria (aka the plain, boring character) instead of gorgeous and fascinating Emily. I am still seething when I think about it. Especially since Emily not only had a broken heart, but she got fucking murdered by her fiance. She deserved a happy end! Fuck that shit. Victoria didn't even want to marry Victor (understandable, bit him getting with Emily would be a better story than an arranged marriage working out in the end).>Genuine question is there a single book with an reversed beauty and the beast where the girl actually doesn't die and gets to be happy?
I know you asked about book, but the sad thing is that it probably only happens in ecchi manga/anime, because Japanese scrotes are into monster girls
>>157678>Lothiriel and Eomer
?? Lothiriel wasn't immortal in the first place?
IIRC Tuor (human) became immortal to be with his wife Idril (elf)> It always made me mildly salty that there were no male elf/human female pairings.
Aegnor and Andreth, though Aegnor went to war and died and Andreth grew old before they could get married. So wasn't really a happy ending.
Sage for Tolkien sperging.
Right? I rewatched the movie yesterday since I hadn't seen it since I was like five and I genuinely felt so bad for her! You can tell that if the roles were reversed it would have ended with the dead person winning. >but the sad thing is that it probably only happens in ecchi manga/anime, because Japanese scrotes are into monster girls
Even then it's pretty much the choice of shitty harem anime or literal shitty brothel anime.
>>157718>Lothiriel wasnt immortal in the first place
My bad, i thought Lothiriel was an elf for some reason. Not sure how I got that idea in my head but knowing she's human kind of makes me feel better.
>IIRC Tuor (human) became immortal to be with his wife Idril (elf)
Wait, why does the woman elf have to become mortal for a man, but when its genderswapped the man gets to become immortal? That seems unfair.
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>>157747>Right? I rewatched the movie yesterday since I hadn't seen it since I was like five and I genuinely felt so bad for her! You can tell that if the roles were reversed it would have ended with the dead person winning.
Corpse Bride really need a fix fic, or even a retelling in the style of Maleficent. I don't understand, how can you NOT make the most striking and iconic character of your story the winning love interest? Okay, maybe I would get it if the other option was almost as interesting… but Victoria is so bland. >Even then it's pretty much the choice of shitty harem anime or literal shitty brothel anime.
You reminded me of pic related, a visual novel titled Love at First Sight. It's cute and non-sexualized. The cyclops girl is the only love interest, so of course she wins. The story targets scrotes tho, so it's not exactly what we want. I would love to see a female-targeted story about a monstergirl (or even better, a monsterwoman) getting the scrote of her dreams. I imagine the monstergirl to be sympathetic or strangely charming, but in the same way the creature from Shape of Water is. None of that 'big titty lamia gf' bullshit.
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>>157755>or even a retelling in the style of Maleficent
I read somewhere that they're doing a live action version of corpse bride (because they want to ride on the Disney live action remake coattails) hopefully they'll either a. let Emily win and not die miserably or b. give the human love interest an actual personality and not have it be an arranged marriage with them speaking twice.
At least they had the cute piano scene with Emily and Victor, Victoria wasn't even allowed to play the piano because they have to keep her as dull as possible at all times.>The cyclops girl is the only love interest, so of course she wins. The story targets scrotes tho, so it's not exactly what we want.
Still better than anything I suppose, she is very cute but it brings up how even when there's a monster girl she's never really 'ugly' just has one off putting trait like bird wings or something just look at games like darkstalkers, every playable girl in it aside from Bulleta is a sexy monster or half monster girl.
I pretty genuinely believe that a role reversed version of shape of water won't happen for a looooong time basically.
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Yeah, I tried to rewatch 90210, it was just too ridiculous. I looked up the ages of the actors and the female actors of the teenagers were mostly 18-22 and the male actors were mostly at least 25. It seemed like there was too much sex and shit (and possibly drugs? I don't remember) going on in that show. I had no problem watching that show as a teen myself but as an adult it felt weird, even though everyone looked older. Not to mention the weird casting choices. The woman on the left in picrel is supposed to be the woman on the right's mother. I looked it up and there's only a 14 year age difference. So like, she could technically be her mom, but in the show the mom also had an even older daughter who legit looked as old as her (or older).
And Pretty Little Liars is even worse, even though I've never seen it, but I know of a certain thing that happens in it that makes me cringe.>>157727
Actually this did happen, in Highlander I think? But she dies of old age instead of him becoming mortal.
same, and I may be a pearl clutching prude but I hate that teenage shows show raunchy teenage sex scenes, played by adults, and everyone is acting as a complete slut all the time as the norm. And the argument for using adult actors is often "well we can't show actual teens/kids doing sex stuff, that would be wrong" but somehow pretending that they are kids makes it better and less wrong to want to see 16 year olds go at it like rabbits? Not to mention you then get "teenagers" with "adult bodies" which is also really gross when you think about it…
It's so refreshing when you see actual teens in movies and you realize how fucked up it would be for an adult to be into them.