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Crimson Spell is the bane of my existence. It was the perfect yaoi manga ever but updates are so goddamn slow why Yamane-san, why?
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Been getting back into reading BL more actively again by revisiting some old favorites and using them as jumping off points.
Still obsessed as ever with Yoneda Kou. Pic related is a fave. Gave me a huge boner for yakuza yaoi.
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I've been reading slash since I was a preteen. When you're that young, it seriously affects the way you learn about and understand sex/relationships - I think BL comics were the reason I, as a socially inept wallflower 14 year old, chased after guys who were the complete opposite of me. Because I had this idea that opposites always attract, courtesy of BL and slash fiction. (pic related, one of my way old school OTPs)
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Anyone have more like this?
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What's the sickest shit you've got?
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Under Grand Hotel is an actual really good yaoi manga set in prison and there are multiple rape scenes. And not the typical "oh no I don't want this but my body says yes!" type of thing. But aside from that the plot is really compelling as well.
Plus you have a darker skinned character that isn't 'ambiguous tan' which is basically unheard of in BL.
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I like BL too. Cute and fluffy is always nice. I havent read Negative-kun and Positive-kun but upon looking it up, I have read pic related by same author. Ikemen-kun To Saenai-kun. It was cute, and the art is nice. I'll add it to my list.
When I was looking I got reminded of Kumota Haruko because a pic showed up on google image search. I think she only made a few stories but they were really good.
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Nobara by Kumota Haruka in case you were wondering. It's a cute BL with older characters than a typical high school setting.
She also did Shinjuku Lucky Hole which was nice but a bit more sexual, has a nice 3p scene in I think the third installment. It's more toward BL so not very graphic at all if I recall correctly.
Looks like there are a few of her works that have been translated since I last checked so I'm going to read.
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I recommend Yamashita Tomoko for BL as well. Some people don't like her art style but I love it.
OT but she also wrote a nice student/teacher femdom oneshot called Mud.
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I've been playing Lamento and listening to/reading the drama CD translations, I like that Rhapsody to the Past has more background about the devils but I thought Razel's past was kind of disappointing compared to the others. Verg and Froud's were really interesting though.
I think what I liked a lot about Lamento is that for an adventure type VN it didn't have a lot of characters. It felt like there was a really personal story between the whole cast.
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Someone please tell me you have played this. Nobody has and I'm just dying because of it.
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Oh hoooooly fuck I have played this. A reeeeeally long time ago, but I played it. Totally forgot about it. I'm gonna replay it soon now, thanks.
Also, pic related.
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If that was enough to put you off from yaoi, it's probably better you didn't play it further. It's got worse stuff.
The warehouse scene with Dirk is still hot tbh.
The game had some good comedy too in my opinion, pic related.
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>tfw Belbet was your fave and you can never end up with him and he can never be happy
my poor baby cutie
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Vallewida will always be my baby. I still have caps saved from the scene of him in the dress. My femme baby.
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The author will never finish this series and the OVA was shit, but she draws some of the best sex scenes in existence. (imo)
She does a lot of short stories as well. Draws the best military uniforms. My fetish.
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I loved Negative and positive…instant love for gloomy guys in glasses
Anyone else excited for the doukyuusei film?
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Fuuucking Maiden Rose. I haven't thought about that shit in ages, man. I came across it accidentally while trying to look up episodes of Rozen Maiden. Klaus(?)' chin will forever haunt the far reaches of my mind.
Recently, I've been reading 19 Days. The art's probably not everyone's cup of tea, but that shit tugs at my heart like nothing else does. It's pretty comfy.
Another manga I've been keeping up with is Innocent, which isn't BL outright, but there's some occasional male-on-male wank that I'm sure some of you would like. I fucking love Shinichi Sakamoto's stuff. His art is so lavish and beautiful. Every page is goddamn stunning.
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Does anyone know stuff similar to image related? I just need some smut, be it oneshots, doujins or series and I'm dried up my alley.
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Anyone NTY here? It must be one of my favorite BLVNs even though it's not like mainstream BL and some people find it pretty gross. Haru's story really wrecked me, CLOCKUP games are so quality. ossan best boy
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No, Thank You!!! It's by a CLOCKUP (Euphoria, Fraternite, Maggot Baits) BL branch and generally an amazing game in my opinion. It's actually the first officially localized BL game since Enzai and Absolute Obedience in 10 so years! Mangagamer has a good info page about it, I definetely recommend it if you're not put off by big bara men (only two routes anyway.) Otherwise there's two normal twinks, Hiroyuki being pretty gr8 made me cry for two hourshttp://mangagamer.org/nty/
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Anybody else have the softest of spots for long hair?
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oh man, make that hair black and I'm sold
is there any good yaoi with long black haired guys? I've read all the vincent valentine and hellsing yaois of course, but I want moar
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This isn't even the worst stuff in the game.
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I raise you a Hadaka.
WOW I FORGOT TO SPOILER THE IMAGE
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Did anyone ever play Silver Chaos? It was my first VN ever and I completely fell in love with it. I haven't played it in a long time but I have fond memories. I don't think I ever got around to playing the second one.
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I'm just romancing my gentle prince.
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I never thought in the whole of my life I'd find someone else who would understand my love of Vallewida let alone did I think I'd be even like…discussing it outside of the confines of my brain. Thank you anon.
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getting the fujo train back on its tracks
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Someone mentioned Crimson Spell and it's exactly the content I want more of.
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dubcon a best con tho who's with me
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Seriously take your off topic shit to another thread.
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I once went to a kiosk in the mall to buy bootleg anime tapes (in the late 90s) and the girl there was talking to me about how the english translators had dubbed the canon gay out of Gundam Wing. She was just absolutely convinced it was lost in translation or something.
I mean, they really didn't help matters posting such illustrations as pic related. Fujos will always go nuts over mostly male-cast anime anyway.
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Some of the official artwork is undeniably pandering, that's for sure.
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Stop dating filthy 3d you wouldn't have issues then, you brought it upon yourself
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I loved 3x4 but quickly grew to prefer 1x3….but frankly 3xall.
Got into Tokyo Ghoul almost exclusively for pic related. I like the dubcon/yandere elements of their relationship in and out of canon. Don't care for the series outside of the first manga series.
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Anyone here played Kuro no Tsuki ? I can't believe I wasted hours on that piece of shit of a VN and still not have at least one good memory from it.
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A fanfic I read. I was obsessed with reading every single quality ff7 fanfic, and some of them happened to be yaoi and BL. I enjoyed them and have ever since.
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Fumi Yoshinaga manga. I knew about BL in middle school because a friend liked shipping and fanfics but I did't really like any of the series they were interested in (Gravitation, Loveless, Kingdom Hearts etc).
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I tried my best to deny my budding fujoshism for years but when I finally came through it was with Hamsteak, embarrassing I know. Too much pairing bait and disgusting fanart. It's also what got me into age difference/incest ships, still can't give those up.
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What's the deal with Dramatical Murder? It seems to be kinda popular.
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The characters are cute though. But i'll take togainu no chi anyday
please rec me some mango/novels with similar art style and hot ukes+semes like this+setting too
Touya/Yuki is canon :) I love that CLAMP wrote their romance into CCS but holy hell do I feel old now.
If you want to read about it, http://gekidasa.net/touyaxyuki/
is a great resource. I can't believe it's still up. Anyone here remember the days where we were all making "shrines" to our fave anime?
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Why has no one mentioned Junjou Romantica yet? It's like my all time favorite
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Gravitation was my first yaoi. And it'll be forever in my heart
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I'm with you, anon. Drunk/high dubcon is especially top tier for me.
Google imaging 'death note' as a wee 12 year old. Stumbled across a deviantArt LxLight comic with a link to the fic it was based on in the description. From that moment on forever corrupted.
I read this! Didn't the author also write some weird fucking jungle island foot fetish book? My friend bought it at a con and made me read it to her on the car ride back, neither of us were prepared for when the MC started licking the fat guy's toes.
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I can't believe I thought this was sexy
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i first watched black butler. got me hooked. i always had a thing for this. now there is a term for it. then i watched kaze to ki no uta. Absolutely fantastic. Best manga and anime. Need more bl im running low
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Kuroshitsuji is great, cielxsebastian is a really classic pairing and the setting / fashion is just my favorite
Oh, and the age difference improves it quite a bit for me…
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>tfw no love for bara ever
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I'm with you, anon.
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D-does my soumako count?
actually I don't think they count but I might be wrong. Outside of Japan this might be considered bara. But in Japan this is nothing.
Any soumako shippers out there?
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Thank you,so do you!
But fuck, its so hard to find DJs, the only things that I can find is fanfiction or comic minis. But all I really want is mango DJs. It's all I ask for
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Im sorry anon :'(
I found two other dj's but its not englishreeeeeeee
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this was good, though short.
'love in motion' by kumota haruko
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Just finished reading this by Ogawa Chise. Pretty good as far as smut goes.
The high school has an arbitrary caste system put in place by a game organized by the students. The game decides everyone's social "rank" in the school. The longtime "King" is cast down to the lowest rank in the next game.
There are a few stories involved, I like the second one best (pic related). There are some continuity errors from first to second story but you can just overlook them.
There were a few scenes that I would have liked to see and would have made sense in the context (and almost happened…) but weren't there. Lots of dubcon.
Ogawa Chise writes a lot of good smut, though some of it is incest. I'm not usually into that but I've been reading it anyway because I like everything else.
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Anyone watching Super Lovers? It's sooo cute, I binged watched all the available episodes in one night, it's still ongoing.
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Oh, this bitch. She's great but she absolutely broke my heart last season. I wanted a two dads end so bad.
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she likes to do that…
i love her anyway.
i've read and reread most of her works.
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I like this one too. No underage characters and no rape. Cute story.
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I recently read "conveni-kun" and i absolutely loved it. It's freaking adorable, no rape or anything like that, cute love story with a kick of realism, cute art, both characters are the same age, very small but sweet sex scene… it's a good short and sweet read!
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Seconded so much. It was amazing everything I dreamed and more.
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Also posting more fluffy (no rape, violence or underage) BL recs if anyone prefers that as I do.
Kaeru no prince sama
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Terebi kun kimochi is sweet. and has that kind of cute noodle style like doukyuusei
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It's fucking beautiful
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Not sure my body is ready for the suffering
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But are you ready for this?
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Me too anon, me too
Especially on serious characters x goofy sweet characters. Instant heart melt.
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Is anyone keeping up with 19 days? Thoughts on the latest chapter? Hurts my heart…
They are so cute together.
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Anon, your link was removed.
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Absolutely. He does things to me
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double posting but who cares
maki best boy (surprisingly) tho i loved hiroyuki as well
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Maki and Hiroyuki are my top faves and their routes wrecked me
pic not related but decisions decisions
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yeah their routes….so i honestly teared up a bit. the end of maki's route….it hit me hard…..
ryu's route hit me too. i didn't like him as much as the others (i generally dislike meganes) but by the end of it i felt.
i keep trying to get people to play it but NO ONE WILL because they don't like the character designs. kouichi was a bit too daddy for me but otherwise i don't see what the big deal is. the plot was actually good (for a bl game) and like….it's all around a good game. damn.
if nothing else people should play it because it's the first localized bl game in ages and we need more.
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Dude can we like exchange emails or something bc I already like you.
Yeah, I didn't expect much from Ryu's route, but I like how it's the route that reveals a lot of backstory. I honestly didn't expect to tear up towards the end of his route.
idk what's wrong with the character designs but it's a lot better compared to most BL games. i totally get why people don't expect much cuz there's a good amount of porn in there. but there's plot!
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y-yeah i totally made a throwaway please email me lmao
to be honest i pirated it…and then i was so impressed that i paid $50 for a hardcopy after i finished. it's totally worth it.
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Oh definitely! The the download version is 39.99 and it takes about 4-6 hours to complete each route.
Btw I'm a newfag and idk how to do that black bar thingy over text
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in my opinion, this is the best order (for the story) is…
but that's not the one most people suggest. i think most people suggest hiroyuki as the first route and i have to agree. if you're not sure where to start i would just start with him, he's super cute and screams a lot and you get a good idea of how everyone else is.
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i hope you love it! i blew through the whole game in like a weekend (and then proceeded to talk to anyone who would listen about it very one-sidedly) it was so good.
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same. i can't believe he was straight from the beginning and 3 sex scenes in he's thirsting for dick woooo boi
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i love a not-gay route like that…and a virgin on top of it all… HEH.
i want all of the ntys to be happy and comfy.
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i pray for a fandisk
I want a sequel so bad bc there's so much about this story that can be elaborated. i just want moar and there aren't even enough doujins to go around.
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i KNOW… why is the fanbase so fucking small? even on pixiv it's not as big as other ones.
i know they had at one point announced an ova (i think before the game even dropped) but it didn't make the cut i guess. maybe because the dmmd anime sucked so much. for some reason i have the idea that it was super popular because it got an official localization, but maybe it wasn't. i don't know.
i liked the bonus stories in the special edition box but i need more than that.
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Can we just exchange emails? It's been a long time since the Dmmd fandom screwed me over and I need some one to talk abt NTY with. then again i should be thankful that it didnt get popular or else i'll be seeing bs headcanon about haru being trans or smtn
i'd rather not have that being put down my throat and y'all know how tumblr fandoms can be. Let dudes be dudes!
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haha yeah i'm the same anon as above in case you are a different anon. anyone can email me if they want.
this thread has been cathartic, i has a lot of pent up feelings about it with no one to talk to haha.
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I'm the anon before that and I made a temp email. Anyone who hasn't played NTY, plz try the demo. It's really good.
I want to meet more people who are into this game bc tfw no fujo friends
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Anyone else a fan of HQ!!?
I'm worried it's becoming too flavour of the month and it'll disappear quickly, but it's genuinely become my favourite sports anime. For once I don't really have an OTP, and I enjoy seeing the different ships come out of doujins/fic/fanart. It's really interesting to see who people ship different characters.
Plus it's so cute and pure, and there's none of that stupid irrational hatred/rivalry that plagues other sports animes. It's a realistic setting where characters have healthy rivalries but also friendships with people from other teams. I especially love Bokuto and Kuroo's dynamic, as well as Hinata's ability to befriend practically everyone.
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Second Season is really good! The manga is also pretty far ahead if you want to start reading that, but in the current chapters it's getting a bit dramatic.
Same! I remember hating volleyball back in HS because I was too scared of the ball, but now I want to try it again, kek.
What is with Oikawa fans and wanting to see him cry?
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One month left. I can't wait for the suffering. Also Seiji's VA is some A++ shit: http://pa-rade.jp/rn9/
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Anyone got some priest/monk yaoi for me? Can't find anything good.
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>Just trying to lurk /g/
>Half naked men mounting each other
God damned fujoshis
If anyone's interested in reading In These Words and other miscellaneous works by Guilt Pleasure, I dumped my collection on 8chan's /y/.http://8ch.net/y/res/1724.html
I know these comics are a bitch to find, so I thought I'd do the fujoshits a favor by sharing. :^)
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Who's watching Yuri on Ice? It's a good time to be a fujo.
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Past tense is pretty hard to get wrong in a translation, but it was narration anyway which is usually past tense.
But it was that in combination with the fact that he looked sad about his future and he's dropping everything to go mentor someone who could replace him, plus some minor things (the dog named after him dying). It's probably just retirement, but death would have a lot of dramatic effect so people ran with it.
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Any of you fujo's dabble in 3DPD? There's a new crime drama called Eyewitness (based on Øyevitne) with two cute homo leads.
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Yeah, she did:
>❝ IS IT JUST MY IMAGINATION, OR DID IT FEEL LIKE THIS WEEK’S EPISODE OF NIGEHAJI [WHERE THE MAIN CHARACTERS FINALLY KISSED] SYNCHRONIZED WITH SOMETHING…? ❞
>- Kubo Mitsurou, the creator of YOI, just after the episode aired this week (x)
Anyway, I'm hoping the animation is improved in the BDs since they obviously care about it but lack the time/resources to perfect it. In the meantime, it's easily worth it for this.
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Going back to Yuri on Ice, but wew they went there. Finally an actual non-pandery sports anime.
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This manga made me realize how much I love ugly uke/ gorgeous seme love stories. The confusion and insecurity in the ugly duckling is so endearing to me. I'm sad I can't find many other stories like this. "Out of Control" is said to be similar, and some of the art even looks vaguely traced from His Favourite, but the tone and pacing and set up aren't jiving with me.
I love His Favourite but I wish it had more sex/love scenes and I wish the update speed wasn't glacial.
same I remember people taking the piss outta it and honestly, I dont care. I just wanna watch a show
"but muh quality"
k, youve got Haikyuu and Free to bait you over, have fun with them fml.>>20990
Basically they arent queer baiting, they arent shying away from it so straight girls can imagine themselves banging the characters, liking guys isnt ~forbidden~ for the characters. It's still got Chris for the YAOIII GUIIIZZZ women to cream themselves over but even he's been hinted at for being in a relationship.
tldr-they aint baiting.
I don't think you understand what other anon was saying with pandering. The series is obviously targeted at the same type of women into other sports anime and the fujos that buy tons of show merchandise.
It's funny that almost showing two guys kissing is enough to make girls drop hundreds of dollars on keychains, magazines and underwear.
Yeah but it's not pandering in the whole "Oh will they ever kiss? Here's 20 episodes of long hugs and lingering looks and innuendo but THEY'RE NOT GAY LELELELLELE"
Like for once it's there. It's canon. Yeah fujos are going crazy and spending tons of money but it'll hopefully show companies and stuff that actual yaoi/gay shit can succeed and we will get less queerbaiting and actual queer shit.
>>20994>"Oh will they ever kiss? Here's 20 episodes of long hugs and lingering looks and innuendo but THEY'RE NOT GAY LELELELLELE"
Maybe I just don't watch enough anime, but I don't remember any recent fujo show that got popular being like this. At all.
Do you also believe free! wasn't pandering?
They know queerbaiting/Yaoi will work with the recent boom in woman aimed shows and realising hey, women have money too.
What I hope it will put forward is gay relationships can happen in anime that aren't girls or "the stereotype yaoi" shit, it's a normal relationship lmao.>>20995
Same, hoping for a season 2, they are teasing it and I'd be up for it. A lot of people have started saying "oh it's a phase", which yeah…anime is like flavour of the month. Don't get on a high horse and act like your too good for it to look cool.(tfw you have an irl friend who is like this)>>20996
Free is bait af but it was fun.
wow that's really neat!http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/aitsu_no_daihonmei/
has scans up to the 7 vol andhttps://www.sublimemanga.com/reader/701https://www.sublimemanga.com/reader/709
are the latest. they cost about 6 bucks ea, but i'm willing to support sublime because they picked up a lot of dead titles and work with the publishers.
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anyone else reading killing stalking?
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What are some good websites to discuss fujo stuffs? Tumblr is shit, twitter doesn't work for that kind of things and I'm a bit bored of /a/ these days. This thread is good but a bit slow. I'm fine with anything as long as I don't have to talk about pairings to 14 years old brats or SJW retards tbh. It sucks to be a lonely fujo. To stay on topic, I really want to read gourmet no fukurami but there are no scans so far, or am I looking in the wrong places?
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I miss live journal. The quality of fandom discussion there was so much higher even though it was a hotbed for drama. The /a/ threads for YOI are full of autism and tumblr is self explanatory.
I kinda miss being a high school aged weeb because I've been a fujo for so long (since age 13 tbqh) and I used to have fujo friends back when we were just called yaoi fan girls. Now all my friends are normalfags and I have nobody to sperg out with.
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I'd rather not talk to underage retarded fujos and be all by myself tbh. But I'll keep these forums in mind just in case I change my mind, thanks.>>21005
I miss lj too but I feel like I didn't get to use it as much as other people my age. I mostly lurked a bunch of communities and never made an account because my English at the time wasn't good enough to talk to others.>it was a hotbed for drama
Well, tumblr seems way worse but without the advantages lj had. But like I said, I didn't use it all that much compared to many of you guys so I'm sure I missed most of the drama.
I guess I'll stick to my few rl fujo friends but we don't share the same fandoms and tastes at all.
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Anyone here keeping up with/reading Acid Town? I love the story and art but the ch come painfully slow and it's killing me.
It updated recently i think, but i already forgot the whole story kek>>21005
Oh god same, at my age it's not as "normal" still being a fujo so it's more difficult to sperg to irl people about it (or online for that matter). I miss being like 10 and exchanging shitty DJs with my friends like it was normal and discussing them on the web. Now i can't have a single discussion that is not garbage.
Most places in the internet right now are shit to discuss BL since comment sections are full of 14 y/o and most independent places are tumblr-tier cancer.
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Fuuuuck yes! It's been awhile since I've been invested in a comic. Love the art style, and both main characters; I'm so excited to see how it'll end. Only problem is the yoi/tumblr fanbase that won't stop fucking posting about how "edgy" they are for reading it, or how the main relationship is "toxic
" and "abusive
" (no shit?). It is surprising that it would be even popular over there considering the content?
>>21001>ukeboi has the same retarded worried crying expression on every page and also literally crying all the time>wearing a goddamn skirt
The story is interesting and the art is nice, though. But where are my mangos with two regular looking dudes? I'm sick of one always being the girly crying skinny uguuu femboi being put in girl's clothes. It's the opposite of what I like.
>>21018> turned into the protagonist acting like a beaten wife even though he started out as a weirdo stalker.
It would have been interesting if the protagonist was as fucked-up mentally as the beginning hyped him to be. I'd be down for two sick fucks trying to outsmart and outdo each other and having weird homolust over it, instead of the "psychopath edgelord vs stockholm syndrome uke" torture porn it turned out to be.
Also the art looks like Junji Ito tried to make a BL doujin of that guy from Attack on Titan and the YOI guy with the uncontrollable ejaculation problem.
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Since KillingStalking seems to have tickled some fancies (it was new to me) thought id share something thats very next level in terms of art and story…however i dont think there has yet to be an english translation which sucks balls for non weebs or koreaboos. (Only translation i know of is korean)
Uh but getting a gist of the story from imagery alone wouldnt be hard and tbh its total visual porn to me (not as in sexual but the art style is pretty dope)
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Not a big fan of BL just cruising through catalog then I see this shit.
Gotten into Killing Stalking myself and its pretty good, interesting plot but its so fucked in the head. Am impressed so far though!
The art style isn't the typical shitty animu one either its kinda realistic but still animu like? Its pretty good
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(Anon who posted the manga here)
I am actually vinegar over how theres not more from him / in this genre of bara (and bara manga in general) that gets picked up for translation. Just like you anon im a filfy animal for this type of shit.
If you have any fave bara mangas id love to check them out (if i havent already read em who knows)
Meanwhile to keep on track Mentaiko/Itto is deff on the mainstream side of bara/duh yaoiz but i still fucking love the works that have come out;;;;; senseless bara porn is always tasty af
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does anyone else remember being 13 and lying about their age and downloading hetalia doujins off of livejournal comms
no shame, it was such a good series for yaoi back in the day
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If we're going to talk about webtoons, then I recommend checking this one out.
>>21016>ukeboi has the same retarded worried crying expression on every page and also literally crying all the time>wearing a goddamn skirt
this lil nigga is like Okane Ga Nai's Ayase bitch who cries all the time but cant stop loving his abusive
giant ass hands seme
Same, anon. Fuck this loner fujo life.
Also baldfat lives forever.
I just want a place where to discuss my baldfat in peace ; _ ; /yoi/ is getting too retarded lately even for /yoi/'s standards.
It's so painfully specific but I'd kill to have a few adult fujobros. Maybe because I'm old as shit and have a career and bills but Baldfat and BL manga is one of the last things I've kept from my teenage days.
Shit I remember obsessively following translations for Yami no matsuei and other fujobait shoujo on lj. I hear it's finally off hiatus but nobody in the English speaking world remembers it.
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I'm surprised that nobody in this thread has talked about DRAMAtical Murder. Nitro+Chiral is releasing a new BL game soon called Slow Damage, do you all think it'll be any good?
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not quite what this thread is about bc it's a non-anime graphic novel but The Less Than Epic Adventures of TJ and Amal is hands-down one of the best bits of gay fiction I've ever read. Started reading for the realistic-yet-slow-burn-heat sex scenes, ended up strung on the actually rather touching and wrenching at points story.
absolutely not the typical yaoi experience, don't expect any pretty boys (but if you're into muscular bottoms, boy is this gonna be your jam), but that ain't a bad thing.
even better: it's finished (for a while now, don't know why i just thought of it after so long) and all free to read onlinehttp://tjandamal.com/
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Are we just not gonna talk about this masterpiece?
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Girl, you don't even know
>I'm a sucker for ahegao
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Anyone watching the new season of Attack on Titan? I remember it being so popular 4 years ago.
I loved Erwin and Levi so much.
I didn't even know there was a new season holy shit
I'm into Levi/Eren myself, like ~2 years ago when I was actively in the fandom on tumblr there was a super autistic shipping war against it and our tags were spammed to hell. It was fucking weird, it was the first time I rejoined a ship fandom since my deviantart days around 07-09 so I was so confused by how self-righteous people had gotten with fucking anime shipping
>sage for blog post
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so I really
like killingstalking and last weekend I highly recommended it to a girl I want to be friends with and at first I was worried she'd judge me for its problematic
content and after reading this thread I'm worried she's gonna think I'm a basic bitch kek
anyway can anyone recommend any similar psychological/horror/dark yaoi manga?
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(This is kinda ot but I'm super curious)
Are straight fujos rare? I remember back in my deviantart days occasionally seeing outside people stereotype yaoi fangirls as all being lesbians, and every close fujo friend I've made turned out being some sort of queer. It was actually confusing for 14 year old me at first since I concluded my interest in BL was b/c I was super straight and thought everyone was the same lol
You don't know a lot of fujos do you?
The "fujos are lesbians" meme is so old and based on a tired stereotype that actually finding a fujo girlfriend as a lesbian fujo is terribly hard. In the olden days these "lesbian fujos" were straight girls who were just afraid of contact with men so they turned to their female friends to form a proto-lesbian relationship. Nowadays the "lesbian fujos" are transtrenders trying to present as gay men and preaching about how regular cisgirls liking BL is ~fetishizing homosexuality~ (which they're certainly not doing). So all in all, most fujos are straight or bisexual.
Well, first of all the men in BL act more like women than actual real-life men since most of it is written by women, so the female audience can identify with the characters to a certain degree. They're usually romance stories first, which men don't find appealing. If you compare it to yuri, yuri is often quite masculine and the girls don't act like girls do because contrary to BL it's most of the time written by men for a male audience. It's more about character dynamics and stories than the actual gender of the characters.
i only counted 22 mouth-to-mouth kisses with 14 of them hidden by the rest of the face or the head so those could still be faked.
21 of those kisses though they only touched each other with their mouths not real kisses in my opinion.
and with the exception of 1 or 2 all of them are lowkey ugly.
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I'm playing FE Fates Conquest these days, I wanted to marry Zero/Niles as a guy but I decided to play as a girl because this would let me unlock all the characters instead, including Niles' fujo daughter. I wonder what changes when you marry him as a guy, aside from the support scenes that aren't different in the shit localization. I'll try to marry him as a guy in Revelation. I wish Silas were a gay option too and that the lesbian option weren't so shit.
iirc, people were being banned for hacking enemy-only skills and weapons, like Point Blank and the Skadi bow, onto their own units and then playing online with them.
Anyway, I agree that the gay option for ladies is complete garbage in the vanilla game. There were a bunch of characters that would've been more suitable, but nope.
Yeah, Niles/MC (regardless of gender for me but still) is a great pairing, they're really cute. I like when characters act tough or like they're perverts or things like that but at some point they start being really nice and cute and even romantic, and I have a soft spot for characters who have white hair and dark skin so I love Niles in general. I'm still salty they changed his love confession to a random joke in English.>>21087
Close enough, but maybe I was mixing this case with Pokémon Sun/Moon's release or another Nintendo game.
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can we make a BL discord please. i am lonely and i want someone, anyone, to discuss with
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Been playing Room no 9 recently, i was so excited for it, and honestly i'm tiny bit disappointed with it.
The story is kind of mediocre. I am currently missing only one ending block, which i hope explains a little more of the story or gives more depth to the characters other than "we are friends, he is the super super chill bottom bitch and i'm the hyper one". I know bl games do not tend to have the best stories, but unless you treat this one as pure smut you'll probably be disappointed most of the time except for a few endings.
So far, the choices to make seem rather limited. Kinda thought you would decide every day wether to do torture or sex since the game seemed to be about that, but you make a choice between those two one single time since the rest of the time the boys choose it themselves (and i'ts always sex, hooray). Only made 5-6 choices in my 10 hours playing. (which do change the endings dramatically, to be fair.)
The sex cg's are absolutely fantastic, the art is nice(although there were definitely some weird proportions or perspectives, but i don't mind it as much) and the voice acting is superb, the scat cg with grotesque stuff turned on is fucking gross though, didn't expect it to be as graphic, which surprised me. So if you pick it up and are grossed by that stuff, be warned that you cannot skip this part of the story, as it is obligatory, although you can turn grotesque off and it's not bad at all
Overall, it's okay, the boys are cute and the sex is great and some endings are pretty good, but i'm still kinda dissapointed eventhough i like it quite a lot, maybe i was expecting too much out of it.
I mean this one youtuber I watch does a lot of yaoi let's plays and generally enjoys them but he's straight
Also wouldn't it be the same as straight girls who enjoy cute yuri stories?
If you are cool downloading illegally you can get it at anime-sharing.com
Otherwise, i'm pretty sure you can buy legally on the parade website and amazon.jp.>>21099
Pretty sure there is a lot of fundashi out on the wild. Since this is a more female oriented board you probably won't find as many here. But for example in 4chan's /y/ threads there is a lot of male posters, in reddit's /r/yaoi (i think it's called) too.>>21100
The same that it is for a woman, i guess? I don't really see the difference.
Most people enjoy cute/deep stories, good characters, pretty art and cheesy love stuff, which yaoi/bl has tons of. Yaoi also tends to have more story (be it good or bad) as opposed to hentai/yuri, which tends to be mostly pure smut and fanservice, which could attract all kinds of people and sexes.
I personally find it absolutely normal when straight (or otherwise) men enjoy bl/yaoi.
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I want more of Canis
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Can anyone recommend a live-action BL/yaoi adaptation where the acting isn't absolutely garbage
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I really love 19 Tian (19 Days), however the waiting is agonizing.
Also I think it could be really interesting if they took the animation style and made it into an anime. Is there a word for Chinese anime? (…google says it's donghua?)
I'd totally watch some yaoi donghua
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Maybe this is weirdly specific, but.. Is there any yaoi/BL, manga or game or whatever, that is set on the Victorian or Rococco area? Heck, I'll even take literature. I think of this since I first read Dorian Grey, I just wanna see oldschool boys gettin' it on.
Pic very related, Enjolras from the Les Mis manga.
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It's not actually BL but there is rococo homo in the manga Innocent
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Pic related is really good. (seven days monday to thursday). If you're open for stuff that isn't Japanese I recommend Shangyin ("addicted"). It's a Chinese webdrama. Thailand also have a shit ton of good bl movies.
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Watched both parts today on your rec anon. Super cute, actually had some chemistry between the leads. Just the sort of thing I was looking for! Though much as I enjoy the occasional high school drama, I often yearn for more stuff with older guys, or at least in their twenties, since I am… the age that I am, lol. Live action yakuza yaoi is the unicorn I search for.
I'm definitely also going to check out Shangyin when I can. Feel free to tell me your favorite Thai movies too, I'd love to dip my toe in that arena!
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There seem to be quite a few anons who're still into Yaoi (judging by the Porn Criticism thread), so I hope it's okay to necro this thread.
I absolutely love when the roles are "reversed", meaning a strong, manly Uke and a feminine, long-haired Seme.
I highly recommend all of Abe Akane's works. Pic related is "Moon and Sun", it's extremely good and beautifully drawn (however, the Seme is crossdressing, so if that's not your thing…).
Other stuff of hers that I really like (and read multiple times) are "Ubawareru Koto Marugoto Zenbu" and "Suki Toiunoni Nazekashira" (both stories are linked together). No older Seme raping a childlike Uke who ends up enjoying it, just two handsome adults.
Naono Bohra is quite good as well.
I'd also recommend:
>Hima na no de Hajimete Mimasu
>Koi To Kedama To Otonari-san
>Konya mo Nemurenai
>Dorobou Neko ni wa Nusumenai
Never. I'll always stand with lightsaber penises in censored manga.
And anyway, penises are mostly for gay men, like the giant dick stuff, nipples/butts/tongues are way more erotic.
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Anyone reading anything interesting lately? I've been enjoying DoS Obake Ga Nekasetekurenai. The plot is kinda nonexistent but the sex scenes are good and well drawn.
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Read Kazoku ni Narouyo by Kurahashi Tomo today! A very sweet story about family, love and friendship, with some short but nice steamy scenes. I have such a soft spot for stories featuring gay couples being parents (through omegaverse or adoption) !
Also thank god for this thread, I have a few fujo friends IRL but none of them are as into BL/yaoi and shipping as me…
And I actually really enjoyed this. The plot was dumb af but it was kinda hot.
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….another? ;_; (a very late anon)
I'm saving all of these fluffy BL reccs, bless all of your fujo/fudan hearts.
Gambare wa, Nakamura-kun!! is a great oneshot in the same genre, but it wouldn't actually be boyS love in plural since it's a one sided love. The art is really neat and it emulates an pre 2000s style, and its bound to make you skip at least a beat.
DMMD I'll give you, but I wouldn't call NTY "extremely popular". It hardly has anything resembling a visible fanbase.
Anyway I asked this for a few reasons. One because I was reading a 5ch thread where Jap fujos are worried about the state of BL games, calling it an endangered genre and noting how niche it is. Companies go bankrupt left and right and sales are low. If even Japs think it's dead, it's dead.
Two, on the Western side of things, I noticed how otome fans are extremely visible and organized, and constantly push for a wide variety of games to get localized and make sure companies see them. Contrast with BL where fujos seem largely disinterested in BL games beyond DMMd.
Considering how many fujos are out there you'd think BLVNs would be more thriving. I can only wonder if there's a reason why they're largely overlooked.
Just theorizing so don't take me too seriously but I wonder if it's because of the relative time and effort required to download them and get them to work vs anime/manga. It's not super difficult or anything but finding a legit download source and messing with the settings can still be a turn off for a computer noob, whereas streaming media or reading online is much more comfortable and simple. And unlike otome, there just isn't enough (good) content being produced for anyone to give a fuck. The reason western fans go on about DMMD (and other N+C titles) and NTY is cause they're flagships, and there isn't that much else worth reading with a promise of any kind of translation.
For me personally, I'm growing out of my fujo phase and while I still like some content, I'm probably not serious enough about it anymore to bother with a full length VN. I think many western fujos are leaving for fanfiction (even of non-Asian media) or regular vidya with romance plots like Dragon Age or ME.
They are. The only problem is that only a few selected ones get translated, I think there are only two or three officially translated VNs and just a few with a fan translation patch available. Only a small amount of people speak Japanese fluently enough to be able to go through a novel so the issue isn't much about how fujos don't like VNs, it's just about the availability of them being scarce. >>21120
me too tbh
Hate to derail, but… why? It's drawn/written by and for creepy men. I'm a lesbian and I still don't understand why any (real) girl would prefer it over BL unless she sees women the same way those creeps do.
Daily reminder that kabi nagata is a fujo
>>21136>all yuri isn't like that
It's undeniable that the vast majority of it is and, at the very least, written by males.
>also some of us like stuff creepy men write. i hate this idea that only men like super sexual stuff. stuff written for men is just stuff that's hot in a specific sexual way. many women are like that honestly.
Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "unless she sees women the same way those creeps do." Those women are just as gross as the men are and tbh it screams
internalized misogyny/regular misogyny. In some ways, I think lesbian fetishes are even uglier on females.
>>21135> I'm a lesbian and I still don't understand why any (real) girl would prefer it over BL unless she sees women the same way those creeps do.
This. Nobody in their right mind would ever claim that yuri is meant for lesbian girls. I have yet to see a yuri comic with realistic female characters that doesn't classify as josei and a general "romance" manga instead of just "yuri".>>21136>just like all yaoi isn't for girls
Just because some gay men (fudanshi) read BL comics doesn't mean they're directed towards men. The stuff meant for them isn't usually classified as "yaoi", it's more of the trashy bara stuff with lots of dirty sex that's made for guys. >>21138
Fujos know their game won't be translated no matter how much they push it, the market is MUCH smaller than for otome games and the west is scared of gays anyway. And I don't know where you hang around to say that the BL audience doesn't express interest in untranslated games, I see a lot of people lamenting over how a.) they're not available to the west even in Japanese b.) they don't exist at all. The main woe is that even in Japan the BL games are pretty niche and not a lot of them get even made compared to Otomes which pop up like mushrooms. For every BL game there are like 20 Otome games so of course their availability (and thus demand) is a lot higher. And to be frank a lot of fujos substitute otome games for BL due to the reasons mentioned so the genre has double the fans.
I was on my phone and I was just wondering. I know how to use the find command. don't see why you gotta get all pissy about it>>21135
I am a bi woman and I simply have enjoyed yuri. I never really got into yaoi or BL because honestly I associate it with fakeboi idiots on Tumblr and imho fujoshi "culture" online is gross. but to each their own
Hope they'll take on Slow Damage once it gets released.
Also I wish bara games got translations but they're a niche within a niche lol. Fug
I mean you come to the BL thread to ask about a Yuri thread while absolutely having to announce that you don't like BL in your very first reply and then dig yourself even deeper in the second one. I don't know the thought process behind that course of action was but it, in fact, made you look like an utter retard. >>21141
You. I like you.>>21142>>21143
On a related note I'm hoping that the option for digital releases will bring translating BL back to life again. A lot of publishers translating BL manga seemed to go belly under due to poor sales some years ago, but that seemed to correlate with long release times caused by the manufacturing of physical copies. At least some Harada's titles were translated as digital releases recently I think.
I completely agree with you here. VNs just take a bit more work then a doujin/manga. For the most part you can find a translation of a something. VNs take more effort to translate
Stuff like DMMD got more popular because it had an anime associated with it too.
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As if there aren't millions of straight girls who unironically want to fuck men like Adam Driver, and millions of others who willingly date abusive
and/or fugly men. Fuck off, cocksucker.
>>21152>Fuck off, cocksucker>implying it's an insult
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I'm glad you liked it! >>21122
I loved Ganbare, Nakamura-kun! The art style reminds me of old Rumiko Takahashi art. The characters were cute too, and I got some good laughs from it.
It doesn't really count as BL, but I've also been reading Shimanami Tasogare, which I really like. The art is wonderful and though the main character is kind of boring, the plot is engaging and I like the other characters a lot and I'm looking forward to seeing how everything will turn out.
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Thoughts on webcomics?
Always Raining Here. You can read it here: http://alwaysraininghere.com/
The art's pretty meh at first but it gets better.
I'm on it. The coins add up but I think its worth it. There was a bit of a problem with the company a couple of months ago regarding them not paying the artists correctly.. I'm unsure if this problem is fixed or still on going ;-; but I hope it's fixed. I want the artists/authors to get compensated for their work. So that's why even if I read them illegally from like Tumblr or Mangago I do go back and buy the chapters so that they'll continue.
For reqs I'd say start off with : Blood Bank,Royal Servant, Killing Stalking (you're either going to really like it or really hate it), Make me bark (the art style is.. well you'll get used to it),See you again.
Samefag here. Used to love this one as well. I don't know what happened but when it started again after that huge months long hiatus, I hated everything about it.http://tjandamal.com/index.html
This one is my favourite. It was very bittersweet when it finished.
It's more grown up than the others in this thread (does it even count as boy love when characters are grown up?) I loved the themes it tackled, the art is stunning and the main characters really grow on you.
They definitely are overly trigger
happy on thread freezing there. It also is a lot less active than it was when it first started out. I can still sometimes get an enjoyable discussion out of it, though. And there are a lot of older fannish women who frequent it (as opposed to tumblr girls who label everything problematic
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Recently I read Sonna Me de Mite Kure, it was short but cute if you don't mind haircuts
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I've always been more of an 'opportunistic' fujo instead of a dedicated fan but lately I've been consuming more BL media because I found out my coworker is a fujoshi. She's a better fujoshi than I am so I've been watching/reading stuff on her recommendation. Kind of makes me wistful about not being more of a babby fujo as a teen I could have had so much fun. We suspect a third coworker may also be a fujoshi too but we're not sure yet, we don't work anywhere associated with nerds or weebs we're pretty much office ladies lol. Personally I prefer BL to straight up Yaoi, I guess I'm a prude.
Anyway it isn't technically in the BL genre but I finished up Seraph of the End recently and the fujo bait is ridiculous. MikaYuu will never be canon which sucks, they have great scenes and I want them to be happy. The first season was so fucking rough but I'm glad I persevered, I'm getting by on fanfiction and reading the manga.
Thank you for the explanatipn. To me allowing yourself to indulge in a fantasy about romance without the burdens of being a woman (not only those existing in fiction, but also in real life) is really different than feeling competitive toward female characters, which to me brings the idea of the Die For Our Ship crazy fangirls that hate any female character that has any relationship with half of potential gay couple (or hating female characters due low self-esteem).
I am not a fujoshi though, so yeah. Just reporting on an interesting idea that I read.
I suppose for many yaoi readers the reason is just 'that's sexy, duh' and there is nothing wrong with that.
You are making it more aggressive than I intended. I just mean it's more enjoyable to read romances without feeling inadequate all the time, like, constantly being reminded that I'm not that smol and am too jaded to act cute and innocent all the time. I think it's much healthier to avoid it and go into yaoi than what some people do, become weeb.
I called it feeling competitive because this is a popular and imo accurate formulation of the sentiment. But yes it's less charitable than the academic one. Maybe I should start telling people the other one instead.
>>21190>being a fujoshi =/= being a weeb > ???
but fujoshis are a type of weebs, anon…
You don't have to lie, your reasons are yours alone and you don't have to try to measure yourself to anyone else. I just disagree that those two explanations are similar. One is more about feeling bad about yourself, the other about feeling bad about society.
If it helps, the academic idea was tied into Japan's gender politics and a specific point in time (the crration of bl/yaoi and it's growing popularity), so I am not sure if it applies to many fangirls anywhere. I just found it an interesting explanation. It does sound very high and noble for being a theory about female-read erotica.
I don't feel competitive with cutesy innocent girls personally, I just find it pathetic and I can't relate or enjoy it. It's like, I don't want to be that way but I don't want to be reminded that it's considered desirable either.
Anyway I'm sure your intentions weren't bad or mean spirited, I didn't mean assume you meant the worst when you said competitive. But some people love putting fujos down as pathetic jelly losers, and women in general as catty and hating each other. Nobody really thinks that about guys who like lesbian porn, it's just a normal thing for men and doesn't get questioned.
Enjoying japanese media doesn't by itself make you a weeb. I meant how some people try to imitate anime girls, Venus Angelic etc.
I think you described it well in that post actually. Both explanations identified the feel-bad that's yaoi avoids but the blame is placed differently.
I often explain this to people as the reason why I like BL and they usually understand. If they don't, they're more usually retarded dudebros who think women liking porn is a dream come true but only if they like the stuff made for men.
I don't remember which thread it was but someone said that shitty men are easy to spot by how badly they treat fujos because it goes on to show that they hate it when women have sexual autonomy. The whole term "fujoshi" comes from people calling girls rotten because their virginal value is spoiled if they like porn all on their own.
The "there's no competition in yaoi for women" reason is true to an extent, but it 's not the whole story and I hate how people are pushing that narrative. BL lets women enjoy their sexuality and have something catered to female gaze without feeling like they're being pressured by exhibiting the ideal female role. Not a lot of media has that.
Are you illiterate or did you not read my post at all? I literally said >Het sex is something I can do IRL and I can get off to it
but why the fuck would I bother if I'm reading fic or manga? I can have straight sex IRL, and mainstream media provides a non stop stream of het romance so I'm never, ever deprived of it. If it's a fantasy and all in my imagination, I prefer a story involving two people I'm attracted to, not one person plus a shitty half assed character designed to alleviate loneliness via self insertion.
nta but most heterosexual porn is made for
men, and especially in hentai, a lot of the times the man is just a ghost dick or may as well be. and most of the time the woman has a very specific role, like childhood friend or nextdoor neighbor or mom's drunk friend on the couch. and usually the girl has more lines or specific ones that relate to her personality, again, for the guy to self insert. it's much easier for guys to self insert as joe every-dick.
People calling it fetishizing really bother me tbh. Firstly because it's so arbitrary… when does liking something sexual become a fetish, and when does a fetish becoming 'fetishizing', and when does fetishizing become harmful/unethical? Is it still fetishizing when they exclusively enjoy G rated, non porn BL?
And like you said, the reality is that fujos enjoy humanized and developed characters. I find this particularly true for western fujos in regards to fanfic (may also be true in Japanese fic but I can't read it) - many girls literally want to read hundreds of thousands of words of slow build relationship development before getting to the sex. They gravitate towards fanfiction rather than original stories because they want to know and like the characters. They are far from objectified and a lot of the time show a lot of respect and affection for the characters involved. Yeah, there is some ~problematic
~ stuff, like top/bottom stereotypes and 'loving rape', but chances are that stuff is written by young, sexually inexperienced women. They are projecting their understanding of straight sex on gay sex because that's literally all they know, and it's a result of misogyny rather than homophobia. And people are really growing out of that shit these days.
i know that’s not what you were getting at but this just reminded me of how fucking much i hate the ‘waaah top/bottom is stoopid, it’s not straight sex!!’ idea that a lot of woke transtrenders who like to shit on fujos love to push so hard.
a lot of women who are into yaoi are straight so them applying heteronormative dynamics onto the characters isn’t strange at all. having certain preferences as to what character holds what ~position~ in bed isn’t dumb or problematic
. it’s literally a just sexual preference, it just happens to be that it applies to fictional scenarios and not irl.
it’s a fantasy.
it’s not real.
no sane person is claiming that’s how every single gay relationship since the beginning of time is structured.
i wish people would stop trying to dictate what women can and can’t like. there’s an entire industry revolving around what men like in terms of sexual entertainment and it’s completely accepted and celebrated. allow women to enjoy their choice of sexual entertainment and preferences in peace.
let fujos live 2k18.
this. if anything it's problematic
to deny that men can be submissive and that their relationships aren't similar to het relationships, because many of them are.
wtf do they think gay men do, wrestle naked for dominance until one of their dicks pops into the other's ass?
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Koisuru Intelligence is probably one of my favorites, this panel had me dead lol
Very much agreed. Frankly I don't even care if the "loving rape" trope or dubcon in BL is ~le problematic
~ because in the end it will never, ever be as damaging as misogynistic 3D porn with real life actors. It will never, EVER threaten the lives of gay people. The only people being so butthurt by the power play tropes in BL either are the self-hating ex-fujos who have never read BL besides the mid 00's edgy rape fantasy series or the insecure MLM fakebois who don't pass and developed a complex about it, then started lashing out at fujos.
On a different topic, I know how people were complaining that they wanted a place to discuss yaoi, and some were wanting to download manga or watch ovas and tv shows, and it got me thinking…has no one heard of aarinfantasy? Its been around for years and has thousands of users plus has links for downloads, discussion, etc. Yes you have to sign up with an email but its completely free and has just about every yaoi thing you can think of there.
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Same, I think it's ridiculous to imply that there are any real life repercussions from that trope, but it's terrible writing and boring, and it gets tiring to see people defend it because even the weakest shit will have a ton of fans just because it's mlmI still can't bring myself to hate DoS Obake though
Don't fucking do it anon. You'll thank me for warning you.
Anyway I don't think a lot of BL games have translations available, DmmD has a patch I believe, the only two officially translated ones that I know of are Enzai and Absolute Obedience which are pretty old games and maybe a bit niche in general. Some Nitro+Chiral VNs like Lamento, Sweet Pool and Togainu no Chi are supposedly getting official translations too. If any other anon has recommendations I'm willing to listen too.
Haha I actually watched a HS playthrough 5 years ago, it's fucked up but I love all the characters, they are so sweet and devoted. Ryoji is my husbando forever, Toudou takes number 2.
I played a little bit of dmmd years ago. I'm def going to buy the english release, Noiz is my favourite, Clear is pretty sweet too
Pshhh don't listen to >>21225
Hadaka is the best I love it lmao. Me and my friend just downloaded Seiyuu Danshi, it just came out (its only 30 bucks, you can download the demo for free tho) and so far we really like it. The game is about a voice actor (you) and how youknow he dates people you meet etc. I recommend it so far!
and I just wanted to add on that you actually play a part in the voice actor job! You have to like 'act' the parts correctly to get the jobs. It's a really neat thing and it makes the game really unique.
Rip in pieces anon
Arisato didn’t deserve anything that happened to him.
What kind of name is that? I'm dying!
I'm sold, I hope nty has yummy yaoi scenes. Should I download it on steam or mangagamer?
>>21242>>my crusty ass can't tolerate Ayden bitching about 'straight girls fetishistic homoesexuals' or abusive shipping
Fuck same anon. I missed the days where people didn't give two fucks about shit like this. I don't feel bad or anything when people call me gross/bad person for liking this stuff (esp the 'abusive
shipping') I just feel really annoyed that they preach at me like I asked for their opinion on what I do.
Oh boy I love that one. Sure please do tell me how me liking something that's fictional means I'd actually be okay with it in real life. It's truly the whole 'GTA will make the kids want to do this in real life! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" argument with that one >>21245>> I don't want morals and PC being featured in my yaoi that'll be the day I stop
I whole heartily agree. I don't want no PC ass yaoi, I like my shit that's dark and makes me question my morals lol
30yr old fujoshit here. if there is a discord for non snowflakes and 25+ year olds, I'll definitely join it.
I played both Enzai and Anima Mundi when they first came out.
If you make one, share the link. It’s impossible to find good m/m-especially if you’re into shit like mpreg and omegaverse-without it being flooded with fakebois saying it’s more progressive for the guys to be trans
I don’t want to see kweer trans bois in a healthy relationship, I want to see men rolling around and fucking each other in a display of dominance
>>21274>I don’t want to see kweer trans bois in a healthy relationship
Thank you, anon. I am so sick of hearing people get on their soap box about how fictional relationships "should" be healthy and involve two mutually respectful people who talk out their issues in a constructive way whenever they come up.
Sure, that's good in real life. In fiction it's boring as fuck.
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Gachinko Battle from Mentaiko has to be my favorite,I love how smutty but also funny it is. Also the ending makes me tear up everytime. 10/10.
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I'm a lesbian who just reads a lot of yaoi/slash for no reason at all it seems.
It helped me come to terms with my own homosexuality, but it would have bee more logical to jump on wlw fiction.
But I don't phantasise when I read and I don't touch myself, I'm not even aroused usually, I'm just addicted to slash fiction and it's very stupid thing to be addicted to in my case since I don't get anything out of it outside from a cookie-cutter descriptions of sex between men. Who IRL I find repulsive.
My girlfriend is the same, so we can at least yell about our ships to each other.
My favourite mangaka is Nakamura Asumiko. Her stories are really fucked up and her art is one of the prettiest I've ever seen.
My ultimate favourite of hers is Double Mints. It even remimnded me of my relationship with my girlfriend in some subtle way (there's a really unusual subplot about soulmates). I made her watch the movie and she hated it and described it as "the most abusive fucked-up relationship she had to witness" and was offended I compared us to them lmao.
I really like Ogeretsu Tanaka's mangas anon.
She makes great lewd scenes and her characters have interesting conflicts, most of them.
I specially liked Renai Ruby no Tadashii Furikata and Hadakeru Kaibutsu.
Thank you for the suggestion! I actually read Neon Sign Amber.
After checking this thread I also read everything from >>20692
. Loved it so much. I adore self destructive shit, and ukes that arent completely effeminate and child-like.
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Anyone watched Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation? The anime (donghua? it's Chinese) is cute but the novel has more homo.
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not sure if this exactly fits what you're looking for but check it out because it might and its genuinly great
It's by Setona MIZUSHIRO
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Not exactly "make over" but there's a manga named Aitsu no Daihonmei and a webtoon named Out of Control/Never Understand that have ugly ukes.
Wish there were more stories like this, I'm SO fucking tired of baby faced men in yaoi that act like no man in rl would>>21289
This manga is awesome/sad af, I noticed authors that write both yaoi and shoujo usually come up with the best titles.
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I’ve never felt fujo tendencies until this point but this two made me actually consider to pay for porn fan art.
What in the everloving fuck
Tell us so that we can also appreciate the fan service.
they look like jay and daniel from lookism but idk
are you talking about the characters or cosplayers
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does anyone remember what this is from?? i know i've read it but i can't remember what it's called
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HS is pretty fucked up but I'm thankful that it exists. I love Kakashi and his voice, his va used the same voice for Sakuma. Play HS if you want to hear Kakashi getting fucked and tortured
oh my, if it's angstory! It's been a while.
It was a comic done by a korean dude about a pretty shota trap boy and it was pretty finey but he dropped the project after 2 chapters. I think they posted it on 4chan back in the day but don't really know.
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HOLY SHIT read the latest chapter of Ao No Flag
Things escalated so fast despite waiting monthly for an update
The whole chapter hurt so much.
Why must Touma suffer so much?
For many years Aarinfantasy had a single donor who donated every month without fail to pay for the server, now that he or she is gone Aarinfantasy is at risk of shutting down https://aarinfantasy.com/forum/f12/t199045-save-aarinfantasy-forum.html
Please spread the word
I dropped it months ago but I seriously doubt a gay pairing will ever be canon. It is a shounen manga at its core.
Either nothing will happen or straight pairings most likely.
I think the author is fond of MikaYuu but its very unlikely to ever happen because of the demographic.
Kind of odd but I also liked the idea of Shinoa and Mika.
I need to vent about this and because the vent thread would just result into spergy anons screeching at me about degenerate fujos I'm doing it in our safe space: Browsing social media and the anti-fujo discourse drives me fucking nuts. The archetypal people who do it:
>The MLM fakeboi: he/him pronouns, ♂, rainbow flag, Voltron, BNHA. The 19-year old girl who trooned out and now wants to throw every other female under the bus. Acts like only their love for fujo stuff is valid because they're ~a true gay guy~ who's absolutely not fetishizing homosexuality at all unlike all those evil straight girl fujo strawmen!! Usually dating another fakeboi and calling themselves a "gay male cople".
>The "Not like other girls": Dresses in tacky bodyline shit and $3 Aliexpress cat thigh highs, thinks they're the only girl in the world who likes pedobait yuri porn and solely exists to please men whatever it takes, including hating on fujos. Because yuck that's girl stuff!!! And I'm not like those other vapid girls!!
>The suppressed trauma: Had a horrible experience as a 15-year old fujo with their sociopath friend(s) as a teen, now is trying their hardest to detach themselves from their fujo past and is deadly afraid of lesbians even though that one crazy girl who sexually harassed her is now married to a man and got bored of fujo stuff at least 8 years ago. Associates everything related to BL with horny teenaged AoE fics with noncon&angst tags.
>The outsider: All knowledge of fujos is based on parodies and stereotypes from 2006, uses outdated or ignorant terminology (often calls BL "yaoi" and fujos "yaoi fangirls"), unironically thinks Sasuke/Naruto is considered the hottest couple of 2019 and that the otome genre is the same thing as BL. Believes all BL is about raunchy rape porn between a humorously massive "seme" and an "uke" that looks like a little girl.
>The scrote: The guy who simply hates everything that caters to girls and especially if it shows male characters in a vulnerable position. Often a variation of "the Outsider". Is the type of person to throw an autistic brodude fit over seeing two men kiss. Ironically still might like traps.
Every single person I see complaining about fujos falls under one of these categories. The BL community has grown a lot from what it used to be in the beginning and while porn is still a part of the genre, the characters and plots have developed heaps and there's a much bigger selection to every taste. Yet fujos continue to be shitted on the most. Pisses me the fuck off.
theres a short manga called akiyama-kun that might be of interest to you>>21329
its sad its become such a dirty word now fakebois commenting that 'fujoshis terrify me' 'we are not your fetish!' when actual gay men dont give a fuck, theres a shitton of gay men on /y/ happy that women have created porn and games that appeal to them. sjw teen girls dont know shit.
at least the fakebois will give it up after a while, i do think some of them are legit trans but like most men they need to shit on women to assert their masculinity
most gay men like yaoi or are otherwise indifferent but i've seen a few who really hate women and use yaoi as an excuse. they're usually into rapey barashit and whine about how yaoi men are disgunsting parodies as if rapey hypermasculine bara dudes are any better lmao
>>21329>The outsider: All knowledge of fujos is based on parodies and stereotypes from 2006, uses outdated or ignorant terminology (often calls BL "yaoi" and fujos "yaoi fangirls"), unironically thinks Sasuke/Naruto is considered the hottest couple of 2019 and that the otome genre is the same thing as BL. Believes all BL is about raunchy rape porn between a humorously massive "seme" and an "uke" that looks like a little girl.
Way too many of these retards on lolcow.
But even then, the vitriol seme/uke archetypes attract is fucking excessive. Is it such a crime if women, who have been taught since a young age that being slim, pretty and submissive is necessary if you want to get fucked, can't completely disassociate their taste from that? It's extremely mild internalized misogyny at worst and nobody is really hurt by it. Gay men don't need straight women's approval so I really fucking doubt any of them give a shit about girls wanting hairless bottoms, and straight women get to project the beauty standards they're usually expected to adhere to on men instead of themselves and other women for once. There's no moral highground in wanting to see a big muscley bottom, but not-like-the-other-fujos love to push the 'ewwww feminine boys, only bara is good' bullshit. I really think, subconsciously, they just want to distance themselves from stuff teenage girls like because everyone hates teenage girls. And appease men, since men really hate women not preferring traditional masculinity.
>>21331>some of them are legit trans but like most men they need to shit on women to assert their masculinity
It's literally just that internalized misogyny FTTs are known for in their case. That's why they're usually worse about it than normal men; they do it for their smoke and mirrors masculinity.
also>buying into the trutrans meme
Absolutely true. I'm a fan of polar opposites and size differences because that just makes following the couple's development and interaction interesting, a lot of people have the same taste. But as you said the hatred the whole seme/uke setting gets is amplified to ridiculous levels.
>There's no moral highground in wanting to see a big muscley bottom, but not-like-the-other-fujos love to push the 'ewwww feminine boys, only bara is good' bullshit.
Glad I'm not the only one who's done with this particular meme. The people who can't shut up about how much they love bara and how it's superior to every other style of BL can get so fucking smug about it. Your hairy fridge build bear daddies with giant dicks aren't much more realistic than the effeminate bottoms in mainstream BL, stop acting like it makes your taste more mature. >>21333>When they act like their 17 years of socialization and maturing as a member of female gender is somehow discarded the moment they change their pronouns on Twitter and cut their hair short
I feel bad for them for falling for it but shit their internalized misogyny became externalized misogyny with the retarded "anti-fujo" movement.
So A Man/Guy Like You has finally ended.
I'll link it here for anyone who hasn't read it, it's pretty good and I especially loved the expressions and the coloring.https://manganelo.com/chapter/a_man_like_you/chapter_0
I'm satisfied to finally see the end. Gonna be jealous of any new readers because they'll never know the torture of waiting for each new chapter lol
idk anon, as much as fanfics are still a thing I think its dying… this is just from a fanfic reader veteran-ish and I'm a bit paranoid.
Idk if it possible for fanfic writers to post their shit in instagram or twitter… try wordpress or go back to fanfiction.net if the game is really old or smth…
idk, anon… haha, I'm just overthinking things if there's something addictive to a certain group there's going to be a fanfic for it anyways.
I feel old. God, I really do.
I remember the time where there used to be an abundance or influx of cosplay skit vids on Youtube that I'd always watch practically every day. New ones coming daily. Now… wew, I can it happens but majority are vids of cosplay panels or con vlogs.
Fanfics used to be big back then but it mellows down with its hype, I guess that's how I see it and then I dramatize the situation to think it was dying. But I understand I think, while everyone has a wild imagination doesn't automatically mean they'd draw or write it down. Not everyone has the talent to do anyways.
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This tweet made it to my TL, thankfully while being made fun of, not agreed with. The OP herself is big into BL but for some reason she has this "I'm better than other fujos" mindset, and she's not alone with this narrative. It's starting to piss me off really bad seeing fellow women punching these strawmen of "evil straight chicks fetishizing muh gays (i.e. girls who trooned out and masquerade as gay men)" when they full well know that a lot of fujoshis are lesbian or bi, or at least openly supportive of gay rights. Where the hell did this fucking discourse start from? The tranny movement and its internalized misogyny again?
>>24314>>Being fujoshi is not something to be proud of
excuse me I'll be proud of whatever I want lmao.>>Having mlm ships is one thing representation does matter.
NO ONE and I do sincerely mean NO ONE goes to the smut section of yaoi for the representation of real life gay people. Shounen Ai is more on the tame side so I can see how some underage girl would look at that and be like ok I wanna see this irl!!!111 but straight up balls to the wall yaoi? Hell no. There's retarded people in every community and I feel like just because some people harass actual gay people irl doesn't mean all of do. Even when I was underage I never bothered literally anyone. If anything I kept it very secret unless I was sure the person I was talking to was also a fujo. If you read the shit at home and only talk about it online with your own community it literally does not hurt the LGBT community literally /at all/. Only when the retarded girls go out IRL and harass people is when it takes a huge retarded turn. Simply keeping to yourself hurts no one. I have no idea why this new wave of fujo hate is coming back in full force. We didn't care about what you thought all those years ago and we sure as hell don't care now.
>>24373>I have no idea why this new wave of fujo hate is coming back in full force.
I'm not sure how to explain it with coherent words but I'll try my best. Like mentioned in >>24314
once all the histrionic underage fangirls started trooning out they decided to make it all about them and chase the sane women out of the fandom, so it's just another evolution of ree staceys get out spiel. I recently saw a tweet that actually said something along the lines of "Fujoshi is a straight woman who fetishizes gay men, people who actually appreciate fictional gay relationships are not fujoshi" which is all the condensed proof you need. In reality, these "mlm activists" are just fujos to everyone not christened to their stupid buzzwords and every time they get called one, you can see how the word "fujo" is just supposed to be read as "woman". See this post from the fakeboi thread for a practical example >>>/snow/795328
I have literally never met a cis gay man who claimed fujos are ~oppressing~ them. I've had them being massive thirsty fudanshis (male fujos) and pushing degenerate, kinky BL on me, a lesbian fujoshi though. The only people being butthurt are the "transmen in a gay relationship" i.e. two lesbians with heaps of internalized misogyny&lesbophobia and their equally retarded handmaidens. >>24442
I think the "fujos harassing actual gay people" meme originates from the hearsay stereotype of 2005 straight fujos going up to gay guys and being "awww which one is the seme??? :3333" which is obnoxious and socially inept but far from harassment. They're a very small minority and being an oldfag I can confirm that it's ALWAYS been looked down upon in the BL/yaoi community for being absolute brainlet behavior.
Question: Do you seriously see the men in BL as actual
men and not strongly female-coded people with male bodies? Yeah, me neither. Back in 2000's it used to be a big meme that the men in yaoi are just chicks with dicks. And even without that, you can appreciate the aesthetics of the porn and the well-written sentimental relationships and development the characters share. A lot of gay guys can enjoy lesbian porn, especially animated lesbian porn, despite not being attracted to women because it's often made for male taste. Just like BL is usually made for women by women, and a noticeable share of BL mangakas are bi/lesbian.
>>24498>Do you seriously see the men in BL as actual men and not strongly female-coded people with male bodies?
Question: why would a woman go through the trouble of writing and drawing a gay male couple as a stand-in for a lesbian couple instead of just…portraying a lesbian couple?
Is it some insane level of internalized lesbophobia or what?
>>24514>the "Lesbians must find beautiful 2D men repulsive because they don't want to have sex with IRL men or find them attractive!!!!" meme
Gee I dunno, maybe the popularity of BL within lesbians is that the BL community is 99% women which is why they're drawn to it, they like to read porn with no expectations placed on female characters and they can appreciate the porn made by fellow women? Not everyone wants to self insert into the porn they consume, some people find it awkward and disturbing.
A lot of BL isn't even porn-centric, it's just two males having a meaningful relationship. A lesbian can appreciate well-written straight couples or straight porn too despite there being a male involved. It's not fucking rocket science and I don't know why you guys think it's self-contradictory. Why do so many straight women search up lesbian porn the most despite being attracted to exclusively males?
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I didn't say that people of different sexual orientations/sexes can't find stories about people with other kinds of orientations/sex interesting or relatable.
However, you implied in >>24498
that the men in BL are meant to be stand-ins for women.
And I do suspect some closeted lesbians prefer drawing BL because it's popular, while yuri and lesbianism are less so and more shunned.
More and more good yuri is coming out, though.
The online comic scene and Korean manhwa scene, in particular, are exploding with interesting works about female characters in general, which is excellent.
I did definitely notice a yaoi=good, yuri=gross mentality in past fangirl/art circles I have been in.
But do you also think some potentional female yuri artists choose to drawn "chicks with dicks" BL instead of yuri in order to avoid men perving over their work?
Yeah, I absolutely do. Any yuri that includes sex will inevitably attract way more perv males than women. That plus what >>24568
said is why lesbians usually prefer BL.
It's sad. I'm glad there are still good female yuri artists out there, doing the goddess' work heh.
Men need to fuck off, women should be able to enjoy FxF content and not have to resort to yaoi (unless it's what you actually really want…)
Honestly I thought Hitorijime My Hero was pretty nice and tame. It's student and teacher relationship though, not sure if you're into that. But it's really nice and there's no sex scenes. Though I will say some of the animation is a bit wonky so expect that. The manga is pretty good as well, I recommend you read that as well.>>Gravitation
I'm sure everyone and their grandma has seen this but it's pretty nice. its such 2000 humor, tbh even if you aren't into BL I think you can still enjoy it.>> Sekai-ichi Hatsukoi
Again I'm sure everyone in their grandma has seen this as well but wouldn't hurt to put it>> Caramel Honey
u-uh I wouldn't say its totally fanservice-y but its pretty lighthearted and well there is a storyline its just kinda cliche (delinquent x shy student)>>Itou-San
Er I don't think it's really classifies as shounen ai but it's a very good drama.>>Hidoku Shinaide
EHHHH WELLLL I wouldn't EXACTLY say this is a shounen ai nor story based PER-SEY but.. I wasn't going to make a list and no include it lmao
God I fucking hate how preachy gays are to fujoshi. Most fujos are just young women/teenage girls who think anime boys are cute. Then they get guilted into feeling bad about it. Honestly it's actually downright creepy just how hawkish some of these ADULT gay men are about women consuming 2d porn. And of course, desperate for validation, some girls start to cause drama and infighting.
And that's probably the majority of BL content I see online is teeming with identity politics bullshit. I wish I could go back to like 2009 where the community was more pure and honest. Where fujos actually believed in their ships because of love, not because of "representation" or whatever the fuck.
Also why is it now shameful for straight women to enjoy BL?
Love Stage's art is only mildly bad, the details aren't horrendous, the color palette for that show is what irks me. If it had a more muted color palette and softened details, it would look better.
Sekaiichi and Junjou are worse from an artistic standpoint, much worse. I don't know how anybody can stomach watching either of them, they're hideous.
I'm not even a bl fan but I go through different threads when I get bored. Imo as long as you don't fetishize real gay people or display any other cringey, problematic
behavior that makes them uncomfortable, I don't get all the hate.
Lesbian porn with real
women is made specifically for men and their fantasies yet no one cries about that.
It's always the easier choice to shame girls and women and target the things they enjoy isn't it
I don't know, in terms of BL quality I found the story and dynamic between the couples to be too subpar for me to even come close to forgiving the art. That's why I dropped both series.
Luckily, there are some more recent animanga series that don't totally pitfall into the physically repulsive junjou trap.
I ship gay couples. I have nothing against people being interested in gay porn.
But I don't get making it a big focus of your media consumption, both fujos and yurifags, enough that it requires a label. I agree that it's unfair that the western anime fandom only calls out fujoshi and has no "polite" term for yurifags, but if you don't have a fetish for exclusively gay people of the opposite sex and think gay couples are normal then there's no need for a specific title?
>>25099>Why do star trek fans call themselves Trekkies?
Homosexual men are a hobby and fandom?>Why do anthropomorphic animal enthusiasts call themselves furries?
What a lovely example. >Why do people interested in Japanese animation and popular culture call themselves weebs?
Do you even know what the word weaboo means? >creeps praying on women
What are you even talking about?
And read my post again, I'm not against people who enjoy shipping male characters or enjoying that kinda porn, I'm talking about those that make it their whole personality and subject of their art. It's just as much of a fetish as a guy making all of his content about sexualized young women or lesbian couples.
And this is a problem why?
Its still a genre, “fetish” or not
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Not sure if this fits, but since the movie is based on a Novel, I try:
Anyone seen "A Round Trip to Love"??
There are 2 parts watchable on Youtube right now. I came across quite randomly, but really liked it. The actors have good chemistry and the storyline was quite surprising between the first and second part.
Does anyone know, if there will be a part 3??
I'm always scared of watching a BL movie/series, liking it and then being diappointed by the frequent bad endings (specially in chinese movies one of them always dies…).
Can anybody recommend me some with happy endings?
Dont feel bad, anon. I've been reading BL longer than the stupid bitches attacking it have been alive. Like, I'm a big Devil may cry fan since the first game and suddenly after DMCV came out, bitches wanna jump on V's dick and act like shipping Dante and Vergil is morally wrong.
Honestly, there's so little media that panders to BL. just read it if you like it. Men get all the shit. And like other anon said, the women who hate it are usually trannies or internalized sexist people.
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Somewhat piggybacking on that, I always roll my eyes at girls who think they're 'defending gay men' by hating on yaoi, you weren't put on the earth to defend the gender already in power retard let women enjoy something for once without being shamed for it.
Love your point about 'men getting all the shit' because every time something popular by women for women gets popular it's immediately treated as the worst thing to ever happen and will cause the downfall of society.
>>40085>after DMCV came out, bitches wanna jump on V's dick and act like shipping Dante and Vergil is morally wrong
Holy shit I can't believe anyone would think V is hot or dislike incest. That's sooo discriminatory.
Imagine if anons ITT posted hot BL instead of whining about imagined persecution, then this thread would be actually useful.
>>40110>Imagine if anons ITT posted hot BL instead of whining about imagined persecution, then this thread would be actually useful.
you're so right, i'm tired of anons making everything about men vs women.
it's not like watching hentai or yuri is so acceptable either, unless you're surrounded by greasy weebs.
I have literally never. EVER. In my life met a gay man who felt BL was "insulting" or "fetishizing". And I've met a lot of gay men. Quite the contrary, they either enjoy consuming it like the thirsty fudanshis they are AND support the female creators, or they simply don't give a shit because it's just fucking comics and they know fujos aren't a threat to their wellbeing. Because they're not insane. The only "gay men" who have a problem with it are the vapid "not like other fujos" fakeboi trannies who need to feel special every hour of the day and have created this "straight girl who hates real gays and fetishizes anime boys" boogeyman to drive their delusions. What they mean to say "I hate that these stupid cis whores don't recognize me as a beautiful anime bishie and worship the ground I walk on".
Sorry to be blunt and rude with my wording but that's just how it is and it breaks my heart seeing girls be ashamed of liking BL. I had to deal with all the dudebros taking a big old shit on fujos for being "cringy yaoi paddle girls lezzing out" and now I have to see "woke" circles doing it too. BL has helped so many girls, straight and gay, explore their sexuality in a safe environment and offered a Girls Only space that is to this day extremely rare privilege for young women to have. And now these narcissistic troons and their lackeys are trying to break it apart for nothing. >>40110>>40127
Could you people just fuck off back to your ~fujo cringe~ containment thread? This is like the only goddamn thread on this motherfucking board where anti-fujo spergs shouldn't jump on fujos for pouring their heart out.
It seems that I am getting into DMC because of how hot V is and how much porn fic of him i've read.
I hate to be that
type of fan, but I have to know what the hell I just read porn about.
Also the idea of Dante/Vergil really appeals to me. Or Dante/Nero. Or everyone together, idgaf.
It's funny to me as someone not even being in the fandom how the entire fanbase jumped on shipping V with everyone since he's technically not related to any of the main characters by blood. Funny, since well, he's still Vergil
so it's still incest. Fucking a "part of the soul" or whatever of your relative is still fucking your relative, you stupid dumbfucks, just say you're into incest and be done with it, they're fictional, who cares?
yeah, kotetsu was like the driving point of why i fell for the pairing, because the right ppl really know how to write him, damn. like i have read djs where i had to take a break so not to cry. some ppl just got it. and bunny was a diiiiccckk, like …. i don't understand why they bothered putting so much focus on him like the "uwu i lost all my memories, uorobos, me parents, oh so sad" like fuck that. the whole arc w kotetsu was so much more satisfying + i have a thing for the grumpy, older types in any pairing really. >>40812
i got into dmc because of the fifth game … call me shallow but i thought the "new" dante was hot. i love a good asshole character that saves the day haha, plus the soundtrack is legit sexy. combichrist ufff. and yeah, like if i'm reading porn or anything related to the series or whatever, i need to know more than a basic google search.
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I watched Owari no Seraph because the doujins were great, the actual show kinda sucked though and pretty much dedicated itself to baiting people into watching it to see if Yuu and Mika would get together.
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The series isn't completely over yet but thus far they haven't sadly, seems like the author is gonna pair him with the generic smug waifu even though the anime studio seems to vastly prefer Mikayuu so I wouldn't be surprised if we got a different ending for the manga and anime but that could just be hopeful wishing.
But yeah the only reason to watch the anime is Mika.
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Nice. I just don't see how you can bait fujos this hard but still end up with hetero. Even for someone with relatively mild fujoshi goggles, this show went above and beyond with the pandering.
Oh for sure, that's why I think they'll probably do split endings since while the anime studio adds in a ton of Mikayuu (such as one of Mika's men calling Yuu his princess which I don't think was in the manga however him carrying him bridal style was) and the bite scene being a lot more sensual as well as them saying that Yuu was gay in an anime short, but those weren't canon.
Either way it's extremely annoying because it's the only reason to watch the show since outside of that it's shitty as hell.
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I had to look up the bridal scene because that sounds cute as heck. Based anime studio. Giving us what we want. Thanks for the explanation anon, I might consider picking it up again just because it's the closest thing we'll get to Blood Bank in anime form.
Mika is too good for that manga and anime, and Yuu is too stupid to deserve him. Too bad Mika can't be saved and put into a better property because I actually really liked the character.
I'll agree the show was only alright but the first fujobait was RIDICULOUS. The anime likely isn't getting another season though, the manga is all we get. Yuu and Smug Girl is a terrible pairing, I'd honestly rather Mika and Smug Girl if MikaYuu can't happen as I think they'd be more interesting then the author's preferred pairing.
I agree, I don't like Yuu but I ship them because it would make Mika happy to be with him, it really sucks when there's one good character in a cast of retarded shitty characters.
From what I heard the author has a problem of that he always pairs together the most generic self insert main character with his current waifu which sadly doesn't surprise me seeing as how he's a shounen author.
To be honest design wise I think the smug waifu is pretty cute, too bad she has the personality of being Yuu's token future cumrag. The school bullshit luckily doesn't last too long which is the one saving grace because it was intolerably horrible and just so obvious that the writer was trying to cash in on the trend before dropping it. >Tell me it gets better.
The stuff with Mika is good, but that's it the rest of the characters are still equally as awful Ferid does become very plot important though with him being implied to be some sort of vampire rapist with the vampire loli? Not sure if that was intentional or not though but he does get a huge role.
Personally I'm sticking to fanfic and doujins. The source material just isn't satisfying to me. I don't know how the author manages to make Mika so likable. Yuu is so dumb. So, so very dumb. And he never stops being full of himself. That said if you just got to vampire Mika FINISH THE REST OF THE ANIME. There really isn't that much left afterward and it's a lot better. Not great but actually kind of enjoyable, in large part because Mika gets lots of good scenes. The final episodes of the anime are even kind of exciting. Honestly it was a mistake making Yuu the main character. Mika is not only more likeable but has the more interesting backstory and the vampire world is more interesting than the human world. A good guy stuck working for the bad guys (as it looks from first glance) is more intriguing too. Oh and Mina's closest 'compatriots', Ferid and Vamp loli also provide more entertaining interactions to bounce off Mika compared to Yuu and his dull as dirt team.
Wish I could find s good fanfic where the storyline of the source material is brought to a conclusion, might well be better than the source material. I just want more Mika and Shinoa without all the baggage of the manga's mediocrity.
It slowly turns into suffer porn which is nice because I like seeing boys cry
. I'm glad that the focus in the anime seems to be on the music.
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I'm really particular about art style, and I hate seme-uke stereotypes with a burning passion. If you have similar thoughts, you'll enjoy the same things I did:
I liked the Banana Fish manga a lot, but it's not for everybody. The show is… okay. I sort of prefer manga by default though, because I'm a fast reader and I'm picky about animation.
Canis (pic related) is a really good BL manga. It has a really cool art style in my opinion. Stop reading when the story about the two leads ends though, because it gets weird and meandering after that. It's my all-time favorite BL manga.
Koimonogatari is a pretty similar manga to Doukyuusei- just a slice-of-life about the characters falling in love and coming out. Probably not what you're looking for, but I figured I'd mention it.
Shimanami Tasogare is really amazing, but it's not BL, it's just the story of one kid coming out. There's only an implied romance at the very end for the MC.
Yami no Matsuei isn't technically BL, but it might as well be. It's one of those situations where the characters' interactions are obviously romantic, they just won't call each other a couple lol. I personally like the anime better than the manga, but obviously the manga goes on longer and is good in its own right. If you like Yu Yu Hakusho, you'll like Yami no Matsuei- very similar tonally imo.
If you like retro stuff and don't mind something that's really bizarre and sexual, Ai no Kusabe (the 1992 OVAs) are cool. They have a really nice art style.
The Tokyo Babylon OVAs are nice too as far as retro BL goes. The story is continued in the mangas, but it does get sad. It's got a little bit of the seme-uke stuff visually, but it's written well enough that I was willing to overlook it.
Ganbare! Nakamura-kun!! has an absolutely adorable retro-inspired art style. It's cutesy and slice-of-lifey, which might not be your thing. The main character is kind of awkward. He reminds me a lot of Tsukimi from Kuragehime.
Yes I am the same! Thank you for so many new things, based anon!
I actually watched Yami No Matsuei when I was like 13 and most of it went over my head besides "huehue muraki sexy". I probably need to rewatch it. (And YuYu too since I adore HxH and was going to get to it eventually, tho it's offtopic in this thread)
You got damn good taste, anon!!
I love YnM so much and i loved the manga more for the art, but the anime was great too. I'll forever be salty that she never finished Yami no matsuei, even though it was her best work and we'll forever be in the worst cliffhanger ever.
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I tried watching Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation, but something about it scrambled my brain. The animations are a little lacking and the subtitles are so fucking fast.
I might try watching it again though.
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Anyone else hoping Enstars gets an English release after the anime finishes airing? Yuzuru and Tori are such a cute ship and it's pretty much the only male idol game I know of that has heavy BL undertones.
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Not sure if it counts but Evangelion 3.0's main focus is the main BL ship of the franchise.
My Good Sister I've been lusting after English Enstars content for ages. The game is so complicated to play without decent Moonspeak skills and this would be a dream come true because I'm all in for the gay idol babies. Glad to find another woman of culture, most male idol franchises are just for otomefags.>>41961
After a few episodes I'd definitely say watch Given, either now or when it finishes airing. It's probably the first Non-cringeworthy BL anime I've ever seen and they're pretty hard to find because they're often given a nonexistent budget and made to deviate from the original source material a lot for whatever reasons. Something like the Foreign love affair anime was a goddamn insult to the original Yamane manga.
Also I think Sarazanmai can be counted as an anime with BL undertones at least and it finished last month, maybe give it a watch? It's trippy Kunihiko Ikuhara content but I liked it a lot. No. 6 is also a classic but the main couple is bland as shit though so it might not be up your alley. Here's to hoping that BL anime will get more numerous in the future after the success of the recent series.
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>>42399>The game is so complicated to play without decent Moonspeak skills
Right? That's why I just decided to wait and see if it comes out in English instead of going through complicated shit to play it in Japanese and check the wikia every 5 seconds. Also no offense to otomefags, but god the guys in those idol games are ugly meanwhile in more fujobaity ones like enstars they're all super handsome/cute.
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Is that show about the gay chinamen any good or do people only watch for the idols?
Due to censorship reasons they've made it into a "bromance" drama so if you expect to see explicit bl you won't see it.
Afaik the drama is popular among young women but ive heard that people (who don't watch it for the guys) find it an ok drama.
There's another "bromance" drama called "guardian" and the actors are legit in that one so if you're bothered by subpar acting you should watch that one instead. And then there's "addicted" which IS bl but I'm sure you know about that one.
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anyone into literal catboys? if you're of the furry persuasion and you like BL, i suggest checking out Nekojishi. you can get the game on steam for free, and there's a voice pack available (voices are in Chinese) for about $6 USD. there's also some DLC too.
I think the only thing is that if you get it from steam the 18+ scenes are not included. you have to get it from the creator's website to have those scenes present in the game.
I've been playing it for about two weeks now, and I really think it's cute.
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I think the best example of god awfully ugly guys in otome idolshit is the ones from that Uta no Price sama game, goddamn the guys are so fucking ugly. I'm hoping eventually they make a full on fujo idol game that gets an English release though enstars is the best for now I suppose.
It´s been so long I thought about YnM, even though I loved the manga so much.
I also adore Tokyo Babylon til this days. In my opinion it is super underrated, it hurts.
I will check out the rest of your recommondations, since it seems like we share preferations.
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since we seem to have some enstars anons here, what’s everyone’s favorite ships? mine are leokasa, shuumika, reikao and makoizu
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i like eiwata and maoritsu but tomohaji has a special place in my heart. subahaji is cute too.
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Generally I self insert as the top. I'm a lesbian. If I had been born a man, I'd be a gay man. Idk. It's like fantasizing about being a homosexual on easy mode (male) instead of being a homosexual on hard mode (female).
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im sick of shitty smutty bls being the only ones that get animes i'm fine with smut but i just want something nice and cute like harukaze no estranger or something interesting like koimonogatari
You bumped the thread just for this? Is there some sperg who keeps trying to start infighting in this thread when they get bored?
While it's still up, does anyone know any good communities where to follow latest BL releases?
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Holy shit I read harukaze no etranger because of your post and I fucking loved it. It kind of reminded me of Shimanami Tasogare, because it's more of a story about acceptance than about a building romance.
Also pic related is hilarious out of context.
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Anyone still interested in a discord for older fujos? Just found this thread and I really, really want to be able to discuss m/m porn (specifically fucked up shit) with people more my age. I've been into this shit since the early 00s and my greatest fandom memories are from the pre-tumblr era, now I can't draw or write anything without the typical mass shaming from hypocritical internally misogynistic anti-fujo kids that have completely taken over fandom. I just want to be able to create and share art and sexuality freely again and not be constantly paranoid of being called a rapist/pedo/fetishit etcetc
I'd definitely be down for a discord server or any other anonymous messaging platform. I find it awfully hard to find like-minded older fujos so I only follow Asian artists who feel no shame with their kinks and don't have to deal with anti-fujo witch hunts. I'd even take an already existing server that wasn't bullshit. Every time I see a promising one it's either dead as a doornail or has that notorious "LGBTQ+ inclusive space" attached to it which is basically a code word for "full of insane SJW snowflakes who have the trans flag as their twitter avatar". >>59942
This is why I only RP with trusted friends now. I have to be sure I won't be called out a year later as a pedophile for shipping two fictional teenagers.
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Any really good art/pretty boy recs? I really like Ogeretsu Tanaka's style. Writing can be trash for all I care.
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whoever recommended this garbage deserves to get shot on sight
It's very good anon, probably the best BL game in English. Some routes are duds but they're some of the shorter ones.
Honestly more one you play for the story and atmosphere/style than the romance but there is some good romance in there, it's just very slow building. Also it will be a long time before you get to any ero and it's only one scene per route, but the scenes are pretty long.
Minakami is best boy.
Seconded. I'm a youngfag but I don't get offended by dubcon and other "non-pc" things typical to BL.
I want in lmao.
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Thirded, I've been wanting another good BL server for a while now.
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The Digimon Hacker's Memory game has a literal faggot into the MC. Just thought some of you might like to know.
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Girls I'm currently facing a dilemma
>currently in Japan, manga are way cheaper than in my country, whether second hand or from your average bookstore
>shit load of BL manga are easily available in bookstores that specialize in manga, the Ikebukuro Animate has an entire floor full of it and shojo manga
>planned on staying for a year and would like to come back to my country with books I'm gonna buy, which could be expensive by itself
>my Japanese isn't perfect but I can read manga and simple texts just fine if I occasionally look up some kanji
>a lot of BL manga are also published in my country and while it's more comfortable reading them in my first language books in general are much more expensive, sometimes even if bought second hand
>but keeping up with releases in my country would mean that I'd have to wait until I'm back, and not everything is guaranteed to be translated anyway
>but apparently some BL manga are uncensored in my country (I think that's at least the case for boku no omawari-san according to the mangaka's twitter? not sure anymore)
>but they can be hard to find where I lived, ordering books online or going to the local anime con was the way to go
You get to brush up on your Japanese and get rarer, cheaper titles. Some of which probably will never get localized or fan translated.
I agree with the other anons, buy the Japanese titles and get better with the language. A lot of titles include furiganas for whatever reason too so there's no excuse.
And then scanlate all the rare better titles that never get localized for us it's a deal
Ok, thanks for your opinions! Not sure I'll be able to stay for a year as it depends on if I find a job (hopefully a full time job for maximum money) but as soon as I have a stable source of income I'll try to start a collection. I already have a few books in my first language but most BL are one or two volumes long so it should be fine. I already bought a few books because I read them online and I already liked them.
I'll have to read with google translation on my phone for the kanji on I always forget and that's how I used to practice English when I was a teenager reading fics online but it's so much more annoying and time consuming to draw kanji on a touch screen.
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Something that’s been bugging me
How come BL has managed to become a financially viable niche in Asia, but in the West the closest equivalent is unpaid m/m fan works?
Every original piece of gay media that comes out in English is angsty or has an after school special message of how homophobia is bad. Where’s the idealized tropey harlequin style combo of romance and sex?
same anon, let me add that as far as I know, this is the case in the rest of Asia (someone correct me if I'm off). I'm not Japanese but have East Asian/confucian background, and 'gay' is not viewed as an identity, it's a behavior. So…there's not REALLY sexual identity crises or angsty coming out (which is what you always get in Western media). You'd get backlash if you chose to run off with a partner instead of get married and have a family, but in that case it's not a denial of 'who you are', it's enforcing a familial/societal duty.
sage because I'm not sure I answered your question lol. Damn anon, this is really interesting and I think I might actually go and read more about homosexuality and the history of men who have sex with men in Japan.
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Oh man anon, I feel you. I was literally trying to track down older BL dramas today and all I could find were LJ reviews from 10+ years ago and a five-minute clip for pic related. I'm so grateful for subbers. Be the change you want to see in the world lol
(anyone else here a dirty seiota who tracks down BL because their fave seiyuu is topping??)
Has anyone ever bought from Book Walker? https://global.bookwalker.jp/
Looks like there's a lot of translated BL for sale.
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made an oldschool fujo (meaning 25+) discord: https://discord.gg/z6MHuKD
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I know it's been a while since the game was released but I need to talk about how buttmad I am that you can't romance the guys in P5. There are like 9 waifus and we don't even get Goro. Kind of surprised after how much gay teasing there was in P3/P4. P5 MC's design is such fujobait too
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I’m surprised there’s no Homer x Mr. Burns fandom
Nah it's more Skinner and Chalmers.
And more so fundas rather than fujos who are into that.
I'm currently playing Persona 5 Royal (nearly done) and this crushed all my hopes for some Akechi romance, even though deep down I knew Atlus would never allow it to be. Idk why men are so triggered
at the thought of having gay options, back when P5 was coming out and people were discussing the possibility of a gay romance option (due to Yosuke in P4 apparently intended to be one but removed) and there were hordes of fanboys throwing a tantrum about how "they don't have anything against gay people but the MC should be straight, fuck your forced diversity pushing!!!!". God it's not like they would dress the MC up in rainbow gear to stick it to the ~straighties~, having a normal, optional romance option that just happens to be gay is all I'm asking for. How come women have no problem romancing girls in games but when men have the option to
, not even forced to, romance guy characters it's suddenly inexcusable and wrong?
Fuck man, I'm so disappointed. Akechi was the one with the most interesting back story, a ton of depth and we don't even get to touch that detective prince ass. At least the game making you actually hang out with him instead of tying the confidant level to the story progression was nice.
also no spoilers for P5R pls
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lol yeah, throw us a bone! I know this is beside the point you're making, but…honestly…I would have even been thrilled with a hidden gay option where if you picked the correct dialogue, you'd eventually get the romance, but otherwise the confidant would stay platonic. (And they apparently were cool with making Yusuke's confidant relatively homoerotic, anyway…??)
Actually, it'd be cool if all date-able characters were platonic by default when increasing their confidant, and the romance flag is only activated if you choose 'flirty' actions. That way, no one has to to sit through any ships they don't care about.
NGL anon if I had the skills, I'd make an Akechi-dateable mod. In the meantime, here's some Ren/Akechi for you anon
also, re: Yosuke, even without fujogoggles on, I can get the impression that he was written as
a character who is attracted to Yu but is hilariously in denial about it. They even ran with it in the anime and spinoffs.
Yosuke's hidden lines in P4 are interesting. No one really knows what the lines were for, even if they claim they do - I haven't found concrete evidence that Yosuke was/wasn't going to be dateable. (Maybe someone should ask the VA who recorded the lines?) A lot of people speculate that he had been a dateable character because of all the subtext in the game between him and Yu/MC. If it turned out that he was supposed to be a love interest, then Yosuke's in-game behavior makes a lot more sense. God, I wish there was more P4 meta out there.
The game has three
considerably older, adult women you can be involved with romantically, one of them is even your teacher. I would be fine with Kawakami doing sex work in desperation to make ends meet because that sadly happens irl
, Ohya trying to bribe a high schooler for scoops and Takemi using you as a guinea pig but the fact that they made them romantic options yet making Akechi one was a step too far is pathetic. In all honestly even without my fujo bias playing the game I was the most interested in the chemistry he and the MC had because of how polar opposites they are due to Akira/Ren overcoming his shortcomings and coping with being fucked over by adults while Akechi is bitter about being left alone to survive in a world where he's constantly abused and taken advantage of by grownups. The MC was literally his only link to happiness, unlike the other confidants who were connected to at least someone else in their lives. What a fucking tragedy and a missed opportunity.
Sorry for hijacking the thread with P5 stuff but it's fresh in my mind rn and I'm so salty about it lmao, thanks for the support sister fujo
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lmao ikr? They threw in every single woman as waifu, including the skeevy as hell ones and the boring ones. Why not give us at least one guy?
There's nothing fujo about MC/Akechi really, they objectively have chemistry and what would be a genuinely good story. If I ever figure out modding, imma dedicate the Akechi romance route to you anon.
Please keep posting as much P5 stuff as you want, the meta is great and I have an excuse to dump some cute art.
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Who said we don't appreciate P2? And anyway, if we already had Tatsuya/Jun, wouldn't it mean there's no reason NOT to be able to date guys in other games? There's no gay quota…
I know about it of course, but Persona wasn't as main stream back then as it is now so it kinda exists in its own category. If they added a gay romance option now it'd probably make all the waifufagging male fans throw a temper tantrum and they'd be too afraid of the backlash caused. Back then nobody cared because the series wasn't as based on attracting waifufags as it is now. It's a shame because P5 was an amazing game story- and gameplay wise so the way it occasionally plays into the waifufag pockets is distracting and annoying. Like did Kawakami really have to wear that fucking maid outfit?
Like another anon said above they clearly had no trouble making Yusuke have gay undertones and the game even baits you with the swan boat confidant scene so why the fuck would they not make the boys dateable. To be honest even though I'm team Akechi at times Ryuji's and the MC's relationship seemed like it was much intimate than with any of the girl characters. Don't know if it's just me being a biased fujo but quite a many of the female romance options were really awkward and out of place. MC gave me more "that gay best friend" vibes when interacting with girls lmao
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Just a reminder that one of Ren's alt costumes is literally a cop dominatrix outfit.
Swan boat date, offering to strip, waking up in bed with twinky human Morgana, turning Ren into a hot trap…all good, but making guys dateable? Nah man that's gay
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It was a joke, anon, but what you said was also kind of the point I was making.
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All this Persona talk has me wondering seriously…would a gay option really make Atlus (or any other game developer) lose money? Japan or otherwise?
Maybe they should take a cue from Evangelion, fujos toss $$$ at you when you crank up the gay. And it's not like they lost the waifufags for it. Bam, you get the best of both worlds profit-wise.
tbh I think this is a mistaken assumption a lot of people make, even about their own preferences.
The problem is that 99% of the time, we're stuck choosing between shitty canon BL that exists solely for the romance storyline, and a non canon couple from a high quality series that has great writing and chemistry but don't get together. But how many examples do we have of male main characters in a great series that just happen to get together eventually, despite not being BL genre? If there was a truly beloved non canon couple that got together, fujos would be happy. Maybe it wouldn't work for the sort of series that has a tonne of conflicting ships, but a lot have a juggernaut main ship that wouldn't piss anyone off.
All my fujo heart really wants is the couples that I enjoy by virtue of their characterization and relationship, just being written to end up together like any normal straight couple.
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You've just articulated why I consume far more fan/doujin works of non-BL series than actual BL.
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btw, I am the one who made the server, I closed the invite link but will open back up if anyone is still interested
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Fujos loved Yuri on Ice though didn’t they? There’s no ship switching or pairing options and you got to admit it’s a pretty decently done couple for romance. >>85976
We’re having a lot of fun, the more the merrier
They pander to women and fujo way more in other megaten games so I'm guessing it's not worth taking that risk in Persona when the fujo audience has already been throwing a shit load of money at them for decades in the first place. In Japan SMT4 Apocalypse got released the same year as in P5 and I remember that 1) fujo were already playing P5 anyway and 2) many of them were playing SMT4 Apocalypse and losing their shit (in a good way) at the potential gay mpreg gay endings if you choose to follow Dagda he makes you a god and lets you revive one of your allies as your devoted "goddess" to rule over the world and that applies to your male allies as well.
Meanwhile the male Persona audience is made of total nerds who know about fujoshi and know where to expect fujo fanservice even if they don't care or like it, and normies who could potentially be put off by it and think it's a gay dating sim. Strangely enough I think the guys obsessing over waifus are otaku AND normies in an equal number, nerds are into it and normies pretending to be JRPGs experts are vocal in a "look I'm a nerd too!!!1!" way.
All of this. I wish the popularity of recent gay-toned content (Promare for example) would encourage more producers to include M/M content like any other straight couple. I'm not here to get some sort of a virtue signaling yass queen slay the straights
bones westshit always throws at is audience, I'm here to see gay stuff normalized. I've seen a lot of mangas during the recent years that include pretty obvious gay couples in series that are not about them but I'd just want to see them become confirmed canon for once. Japan doesn't have the same sort of deep-rooted homophobic history as the west has as the current stance was actually hammered in by western imperialists 100 years ago so they still have preserved this tolerance for same sex couples to be extremely intimate just as long as they don't say they love each other from feudal times. >>85998>normies who could potentially be put off by it and think it's a gay dating sim
It fucking kills me though to think that any time any anime, manga or weeb game has any
gay or pretty male content it's immediately branded as "for gays" in the west and it immediately puts everyone off.
ahhh here it is! sorry for the delay https://discord.gg/RVZTJj
. Let me know if it doesn't work
>>86005>it's immediately branded as "for gays" in the west
Yeah, at least in the US but since Persona was always only translated in English and just sold as is in Europe, and only Europeans that are already familiar with the US knew about it for a while. That's just how marketing works there I guess, so now even when something isn't marketed that way people will assume it actually is out of habit.
But really, as much as Western and Japanese nerds complain about "rreeeee fujoshit get out, not everything is gay reee" they usually don't care THAT much and I even met a bunch of guys who act like this online who actually are pretty happy to meet other nerds irl (in cons or else where) even if they're fujoshi as long as nobody involved isn't a total sperg. But in Persona's case it seems to be THE money maker for ATLUS since they nearly went bankrupt not long ago before being bought by SEGA, which is why they made so many P4 spinoffs so they can't really be too experimental with the series anymore, meanwhile SMT and its other spinoffs are successful in Japan no matter what they do but more niche in the West so they've got nothing to lose so far. The fujoshi who like JRPGs already play games from the entire franchise and are pandered to as a result of being loyal, supportive fans, male nerds either don't care or are ok with fujo fanservice, or at worse make constant jokes about Yamato wanting to fuck Bunny all day everyday. But normies who are a potential new target demographic for Persona thanks to its new success won't give a shit about megaten as a whole so I wouldn't be surprised if Atlus gives us more weird gay scenes (as well as more innovations in terms of gameplay in general) like in SMT4A instead. And keep inmind that said male normies are on the same level of "I'm a gamer guurl" and rely on sites like Kotaku to get news on the series so I'm sure many think it's too gay (so they wont buy games) or not lgbTTTTQQQ enough (so they won't buy it either), or too problematic
in general (same deal)
Now I wonder what will happen to the future of Persona since the current team wants to move on to other projects within Atlus and a new team as already been designated to work on the series. Maybe they'll take more risks (in general I mean)? They're the same developers that made Catherine Fullbody have a gay
route so who knows. And I wish I had some knowledge about the Japanese fandom, I can just guess that kinda older fujoshi like megaten a lot since the beginning but that's it.
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new link to old school fujo discord! https://discord.gg/Dp2uaDY
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I've remembered a kinda old manhwa "The Summit" lately and bought the serie cheap again. This serie was never finished because of some mental health issues the author appearantly struggles with. I guess after all this years this serie will never be finished.
Any recommendations for some manga/manhwa/doesn't matter with a similar feel and story overall???
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I heard somewhere that Karma And Nagisa was supposed to be canon, either way they are suuuuper cute together
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I also heard he was meant to be a girl, but he's not just a trap Nagisa has more shape and ass than half the girls in the show
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That's pretty easy to do when the only other girl who gets regular screen time is the autistic girl with green hair.
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what does screen time have to with Nagisa having thick child bearing hips
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>>86488>Either way Assclass is better for Karmagisa yaoi than the actual show.
yeah the author clearly wanted Karma to fuck Nagisa
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Guessing it was typical shounen jump that said 'no gay even if the guy looks exactly like a girl'.
It makes me wonder why people believe bnha of all things is going to have the first gay canon ship in shounen jump when even assclass didn't go through with it.
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it really wouldn't be that controversial, Nagisa was literally only ever shipped with Karmaa no one else
the male fans nor the female fans both supported the ship unanimously
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Japan's a weird and picky country and shounen jump is usually pretty scared to go the slightest bit out of the typical romance that they pair up.
Also it's pretty rare but there were people who shipped Nagisa with before mentioned green autism and koro sensei for some reason…Karma has a bit more variety though since he also gets shipped with the principal's son personally I can't ship either of them with anyone else.
Source? Pls don't tell me you're talking about Hisoka.
>being a shounen manga doesn't mean you can't have gay shit in them
"Shounen manga is manga aimed at a young teen male target-demographic. It is primarily intended for boys between the ages of 12 and 18."
Well if their principal fan base is composed of boys of couse they won't have gay ppl there unless for comedy relief.
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Friend showed me the Owari no Seraph leaks, apparently Mika confesses his love to Yuu and then dies right afterwards.
Honestly not surprised, but hey at least it was canon for all of two seconds.
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Bi probably, fudanshis are fairly uncommon but they're usually bi guys who just like Sieg x Astolfo and such.
Don't know if anyone here cares, but a BL manga subscription service called Futekiya (https://read.futekiya.com/
) is free for all of May! I came across them somehow a couple of months ago but debated paying for it (only $6.99 a month but I already pay for a lot of other subscription shit and it adds up lmao) so it might be worth just checking out to see if their library is to your liking and worth it for you!
I sound like a robot or someone who works for them but I really just wanted to put it out there to anyone who might be interested lol
>inb4 just pirate it
Hard to say. Usually I feel like gay and bisexual men like the stuff actual gay men produce which is way more horny, intense and sex-oriented than BL is. But then again I've also met straight men who like BL when the other guy is feminine enough.>>86693
What the fuck anon I had never even heard of this service. Thanks for letting us know
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IME straight guys who read BL fall into one of these categories:
- the series is a good series in general (ie, it has other redeeming qualities and they're not reading it specifically for the m/m action)
- it's hard to find non-BL series that explore relationships in the way that BL series do (ie, they're not sexually attracted to the m/m aspect but enjoy the character development, same reason as lesbian fujos)
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thats yaoi for you
They still haven't gotten over P2 backlash despite that game coming out in the 90s.
Atlus, at least in terms of persona is so shitty sometimes.
It's so stupid because the Japanese fandom doesn't care. I've never heard of the Japanese fanboys going insane with rage over a gay character in any franchise, they don't give a fuck about the male characters and only want their waifus to stay satisfied. It's always the western dudebros who start reeing about muh SJW shills forcing degeneracy or the other extreme crying about fetishization/bad representation. And now because Japanese game studios are on such a strange kick to try and appeal to western audiences they can't put any of that shit in their games in fears of causing either of the extremes to cause backlash.
Fuck I just want to have a gay option in a Persona game. At least FE: Three houses had three but even for that one two of the options were ugly middle aged men and only one was age-appropriate and attractive, while the female options were all young, beautiful women. What a joke.
>>86842>Japanese game studios are on such a strange kick to try and appeal to western audiences
I don't think it's so strange, I think mobile games are way more popular in Japan so developers have to compete against them and they're starting to see Western fans as a reliable market because mobile games don't have the same impact over here.
Bbut seriously, Japanese fans may be total spergs but they're better at minding their business than Western fans who pirate games or don't even play them and won't stop complaining about potential gay shit in games. For P4 I'm sure the reason why Yosuke wasn't a gay option after all is because they developed and released P4 super fast, but then they added even more hints in spinoffs/sequels and in P4G, where Yosuke and the MC can straight up act like a cute young married couple but they still can't date. Oh but instead you're forced to french kiss the ugly Nana bootleg that nobody liked!>>86837
Was there a backlash then? If so I don't think the P1/P2 developers ever gave a fuck because the drama CD straight up had fujo fanservice and Satomi Tadashi confirmed over and over again that Tatsuya and Jun were made for each other in interviews. I'm sure the reason why he insisted on Maya/Tatsuya in P2 Eternal Punishment is because he's obsessed with love triangles though, dude just HAD to put the ridiculous Serph/Sera/Heat love triangle in DDS when it was never a thing in the original story. But then again, the team slightly changed starting from P3 and the P1/P2 went back to working on mainline and other spinoffs.
aw yeah, Persona meta time!
Anon from >>84899
here, there's been no official confirmation that Yosuke's dummied out lines (see video) were indeed part of a romance route. It's valid
speculation because of what made it into the final game (all of Yosuke's gay sperging, plus his social links have the structure and pacing of a romance route…it's pretty egregious), but the whole "THEY TOOK OUT YOSUKE'S GAY OPTION" is repeated as though it were indisputable fact. I'm like this close to tweeting Yuri Lowenthal to see if he remembers what these lines were for.
Also, I've never found Showtaro Morikubo's version of these lines aside from the single "ore, omae ga suki da" that was in some random YT video about P4, I'd be interested to hear them and whether they're more explicitly romantic than the English dub.
Man, there was so much Yu/Yosuke fanservice in the P4 spinoffs. To the point where Yosuke somehow ends up looking gayer than Kanji, whose story is literally about being insecure in his masculinity and terrified that he's gay.
And everyone seems to forget about Teddie canonically macking on all the dudes, though I guess the joke is that he's an otherworldly creature who wants to fuck everybody due to being ignorant about human social conventions.
>>87049>Showtaro Morikubo's version of these lines aside from the single "ore, omae ga suki da"
It was a long time ago but I found all the lines by Morikubo too, where he mentions somethings about feeling warm inside, just like in the English version. No idea where I could find them again though, sorry. At this point it's not officially confirmed but it's like 99.99999999999% probable that Yosuke was meant to be a love interest. His social link is kinda similar to Naoto's in that if you don't choose very specific options you can't unlock a "scene" that will indicate you can date the character so you're automatically friendzoned by the character at rank 10. Like, if you want to hug Yosuke and let him cry in your arms you have to choose a specific option in his previous rank, and with Naoto she always friendzoned me because I never choose the flirty options.>>87051>Yosuke somehow ends up looking gayer than Kanji, whose story is literally about being insecure in his masculinity and terrified that he's gay
I'm sure that was the whole point of all these scenes, they even added some in Golden, but it's like they set up the joke and forgot to add the punchline. Weird as fuck, especially when you get optional dialogues like in the date café scene where you have Kanji saying that Yosuke gave him the whole "IT'S OK TO BE GAY YOU'RE STILL MY BRO EVEN IF YOU SUCK DICKS" speech off-screen and Yosuke starts to spreg out again even if that scenes is after we find out Naoto is a girl.
I'll never get over Dojima cockblocking Yu and Teddie.
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>>87107>set up the joke and forgot to add the punchline
Plus, Yosuke's character arc is unsatisfying/doesn't make sense if he didn't actually end up having a crush on Yu.
I'm going to poke around on the Japanese internet to see if I can find Morikubo's lines, or at least some commentary on Yosuke's route that tells us something that the English-speaking Persona fandom doesn't already know. Good point about the "you idiot, hugging is for girls" scene - not only do you have to "unlock" it, but hugging is often what starts the dating route for the romanceable female characters…one of those things that's a lot more obvious in Japanese/lost in translation because hugging is so platonic here, lol.
The difference in Lowenthal vs. Morikubo's delivery, too…man…the "I like you, don't go" is so heartbreaking, you can tell that Yosuke is softly opening his heart to Yu. Whereas the Japanese line really has that hesitant guarded vibe.
That "what the HELL are you two doing?" plus the freakin bathhouse music playing cracks me up every single time. This fucking game I swear
The new permalink is here >>86169
, that one expired
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AHA found it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz5Eky9tUFQLVEJacndnODYteEU/edit
The Japanese and English lines are indeed the same. At this point, I'm leaning toward what >>86877
said about them leaving the full Yosuke route out in P4 vanilla due to running out of time.
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Haven't played P4 (mainly because I was kinda meh on P3 and P5) but Teddie is super cute.
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These kinds of characters are usually a miss, but Teddie is such a lovable sex pest. His line from SotL about latching onto marriage because he'll never have to smile or cry on his own ever again gets me teary-eyed.
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Have any of you guys read the series Spend Wisely its what helped me jumpstart my love for yaoi again. It was really sweet and its about a guy who is in debt because of his father having sex with a yakuza boss in order to pay back the debt. Its really cute!
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I haven’t, but I read this one by the same mangaka recently and liked it.
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>>90172>looked up the drama CD months ago because I liked the manga>sexy police officer is voiced by Makoto Furukuwa>can't unhear it everytime I play FE3H and Sylvain talks
I don't know how to feel about this.
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Has anyone else played Koshotengai no Hashihime? I 100% recommend it.
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Same anon, but while I'm at it, here's some stuff I've read lately that I really liked:
>Yatamoto by Harada and any supplemental, related works. You can find it on myreadingmanga. (I'm late getting into Harada because I stopped reading BL for a few years, whoops.)>Painter of the Night by Byeonduck. On Lehzin behind a paywall, but worth it imo.>Private Lessons by anco & mongya. Also on Lehzin. A bit same-facey, unfortunately.
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You might want to check out Mentaiko or Asada Nemui, I feel like they both do “funny but kind of fucked up” manga really well. This page is from Loved Circus.
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Anyone read the manhwa, Sign? It's mostly fluffiness and sex for those who like that.
For those who haven't heard of it, it's about a deaf guy and a hearing guy - once in a blue moon the deaf guy speaks out loud, but his voice really turns on the hearing guy. (It sounds dumb but I swear it's cute.)
thank you for the suggestion. i'll go there whenever i have a yaoi manga that i forgot its name. >>94331
thank you anon! this is the one. feeling nostalgic atm. you really helped me.
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i read painter of the night this past weekend and omg i wanted to hate it so bad because of how rapey and fucked it is. But its drawn so well and the story is so interesting i couldnt help but fall in love with na-kyum and especially seungho. I hate that i like seungho but can you blame me when he looks like that?
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seungho reminds me kinda of sangwoo aka they are nearly the same psychopathic rapist kind and in the fandom he probably also has a lot of people thirsting over him and liking him vs. the ones who hate him and want him to die (exactly like in killing stalking lol)
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I saw people raving about The Untamed for months and always thought no, I'm not gonna watch it and now I decided to give it a try and it's the best thing I've ever seen. It's so addictive, I finished it within just a couple of days, nearly every single episode made me cry lol
Not only are the actors handsome and the costumes/scenery beautiful, the story line is very good too, all characters are well thought out, you even feel for the villains. I always hate when yaoi/bl portrays female characters as annoying and inferior, but that's absolutely not the case here, they're all strong and likeable.
They perfectly managed to work around the China's censorship, also thanks to the great acting, it doesn't feel like there's something missing at all, if anything their love seems even deeper that way as if they were outright kissing. I also always hate when the uke is some tiny, weak damsel in distress while the seme is muscular and overconfident but here the guy who has the "girlier" personality is also loud, outgoing and probably the strongest and bravest character, while the other is elegant and silently supportive of him. Highly recommend.
I wish there were more good chinese bl dramas/mangas because I like the visuals so much, I know that Hua Hua You Long is drawn in a similar style but the story is just gross.
lmao my mom is a giant homophobe so I was super surprised when I found her watching it… I would even go up to her randomly and say "is it that gay shit" because I wonder if she even picked up on the gay undertones and she'd just be like "yeah." She's always reading Chinese novels on her phone and now I'm wondering if she's ever read MDZS
I've been meaning to watch it but I don't wanna get bullied by my mom for using English subtitles lol
I've had it on my pending watchlist for a while, maybe out of fear I wont like it at all or not get it. I'll give the pilot a go today.
btw what is it with moms and chinese novels? My mom has been on a reading spree for years, she usually read a lot of renown books and classics but lately all I see her reading is chinese/vietnamese novels. She is on whatsapp groups where they all chat and translate them, even. Its adorable and weird at the same time.
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How the hell can she stomach watching that if she's a homophobe…? The gay vibes and hints are way too strong for anybody to play this off as them just being "bros". I haven't read the novel yet (and supposedly there's an anime adaptation too) but I heard it's very graphic lol >>97223
I feel like this happens quite often? The annoying bitch who hits on and pesters one of males? Or the ex who doesn't let go or even tries to sabotage his new gay relationship (e.g. in Seven Days)? Maybe I also get this impression so strongly because I like watching bl dramas on youtube and in the comments most female characters get ripped to shreds even if they aren't doing anything bad. There definitely are some fujos with severe internalized misogyny.
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BASED. I LOVE MO DAO ZU SHI
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The anime is trash, don't bother. The novel have many more moments and intense flirting and secondary couples.
We need to chinese-historical-BL-pill everyone asap lmao (jk twitter would ruin them in 2 seconds)
>>97229>posting best couple
Honestly, I think the drama did such a good job portraying the novels. I was able to have them translated and enjoyed them so much. I love that Wei Ying and LWJ are a canon pairing and the drama did a great job portraying that. It was fun to watch with Chinese fans too.
My only real complaint was the Yi City arc was so short. It was like 2 episodes?? I wanted more. So much more! Especially the wholesome domestic life with XXC and Xue Yang before it all went to shit.
I saw pics of the anime and they seem to be drawn like your stereotypical yaoi couple which turned me off immediately, so I didn't plan on watching it anyway, but thanks for the warning lol
I hate that my taste of physically equal couples seems to be an unpopular opinion with most fujos, seeing as some fans were even disappointed that WWX was taller…
But what do you mean, how would twitter ruin them?
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If there's any Russian anons here, Taisho Mebiusline got Russian translated.https://vk.com/mebius_line
Really good VN.
lmao at you sperging in multiple threads at the horror of women daring to find feminine men attractive
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Haha BL printer go bbbrr
Even so, what's the problem with that? It's made by girls for girls, and obviously their best point of reference for anything to do with love or sex is themselves. There's nothing offensive or bad about girls being attracted to both female and male traits, even if they end up combining the two into particularly girly gay male characters.
BL doesn't exist as representation for either gay men or women, it's literally just self indulgent romance/porn material for women to enjoy. I can't imagine begrudging anyone that - we spend our whole lives being told we need to be pretty, young, slim and hairless to be worthy of getting fucked but god forbid girls project that expectation onto men in harmless niche manga.
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I´m sorry but the posts were to great to not make it.
Btw I didn´t notice that the girl on the thread picture has a flower crown, nice
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OT but the artstyle for this manhwa freaks me out. I guess I'm just more of a 'love is an illusion' degenerate.
>>97659>mfw the thread has consistently shat on fakeboi trannies who try to be ~better than other girls~ but this anon still felt compelled to write this post thinking everyone would start screeching
It's just confusing really>>97679
Pretty much this. People keep doubting how lesbians can be fujos but since a lot of the male characters are female-coded (and written by a female) it's not surprising that gay women would be more attracted to the genre. >it's literally just self indulgent romance/porn material for women to enjoy.
And that's why it pisses so many people off. Women can't be self-indulgent, their dumb little ladybrains will rot and stop focusing on how to find happiness from pleasing men and hating themselves.>>97681
I'm going to save this gem, thanks anon
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I found this webcomic a few days ago and I digest it in a matter of hours, which it's something very strange to happen,
the comic has the basic premise of a bad porn movie (the main protagonist can see and feel the sexual fantasies of the other protagonist inside his head) but that's only the beginning, after that you can how the relationship of the two protagonist
evolve to try to be better and healthier with each other, and surprisingly touches real problems about the struggling to express feelings correctly inside a relationship and abandonment issues as adults, also sprinkle some of LGTB real-life environments and how it affects realistically the relationship between families.
Idk if it's because I haven't read any yaoi related in a long time but I found it as something really entertaining to read, as I mentioned the basic premise it's pretty much of a porn movie and there's a lot of smut (most of it it's anatomically well-drawn, I even save some samples as references for my art lol) but have a lot of jokes due to that situation, it made me chuckle a good amount of times.
I see it often happening too. Thinking about it, probably need to take the praise for the Untamed back too, the ladies might be nicely portrayed but literally all die within the first half of the drama, only males reach a happy ending.>>97681
Why do so many people have a problem with girls/women who want to enjoy romantic media with (drawings of) cute boys? We're either secret fakebois, evil fetishizers of poor gays and now self-hating lesbians in denial…? Bet they wouldn't have a problem with us liking badly written stories, movies or straight up porn about your stereotypical couples of badly treated sad women and way too old and ugly scrotes.
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Bitch me too
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Is this bait or are you just straight up dumb?
You "wouldn't care" seeing hetero women enjoy bara - but you have a problem with them liking stuff with cute boys, because…?
It absolutely does make sense for straight girls to enjoy yaoi because
all other media already tries pushing bara type men onto them 24/7. As soon as girls hit their teen years everybody tells them that so and so isn't a "real" man, stop gushing over young pop stars, that's weird and embarrassing, guys like George Clooney, 40+ macho males with dad bods and beards are ackshually the hottest! Just because somebody is somewhat young, slim and nicely groomed, doesn't mean that he's a "trap" or resembles girls and that there's something wrong with the women who are attracted to this. Most girls and women put in an effort into their looks, dreaming of somebody who does so too, plus is kind/romantic/exciting is just natural, and because dudes like this are difficult to find irl (or in mainstream media) some gravitate to yaoi.
People getting so riled up about something to harmless as yaoi/fujos (have their ever been crimes commited in the name of them? no lol) just proves that men/handmaidens have a problem with girls/women having their own taste and enjoying things not made by or for them.