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Crimson Spell is the bane of my existence. It was the perfect yaoi manga ever but updates are so goddamn slow why Yamane-san, why?
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Been getting back into reading BL more actively again by revisiting some old favorites and using them as jumping off points.
Still obsessed as ever with Yoneda Kou. Pic related is a fave. Gave me a huge boner for yakuza yaoi.
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I've been reading slash since I was a preteen. When you're that young, it seriously affects the way you learn about and understand sex/relationships - I think BL comics were the reason I, as a socially inept wallflower 14 year old, chased after guys who were the complete opposite of me. Because I had this idea that opposites always attract, courtesy of BL and slash fiction. (pic related, one of my way old school OTPs)
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Anyone have more like this?
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What's the sickest shit you've got?
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Under Grand Hotel is an actual really good yaoi manga set in prison and there are multiple rape scenes. And not the typical "oh no I don't want this but my body says yes!" type of thing. But aside from that the plot is really compelling as well.
Plus you have a darker skinned character that isn't 'ambiguous tan' which is basically unheard of in BL.
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I like BL too. Cute and fluffy is always nice. I havent read Negative-kun and Positive-kun but upon looking it up, I have read pic related by same author. Ikemen-kun To Saenai-kun. It was cute, and the art is nice. I'll add it to my list.
When I was looking I got reminded of Kumota Haruko because a pic showed up on google image search. I think she only made a few stories but they were really good.
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Nobara by Kumota Haruka in case you were wondering. It's a cute BL with older characters than a typical high school setting.
She also did Shinjuku Lucky Hole which was nice but a bit more sexual, has a nice 3p scene in I think the third installment. It's more toward BL so not very graphic at all if I recall correctly.
Looks like there are a few of her works that have been translated since I last checked so I'm going to read.
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I recommend Yamashita Tomoko for BL as well. Some people don't like her art style but I love it.
OT but she also wrote a nice student/teacher femdom oneshot called Mud.
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I've been playing Lamento and listening to/reading the drama CD translations, I like that Rhapsody to the Past has more background about the devils but I thought Razel's past was kind of disappointing compared to the others. Verg and Froud's were really interesting though.
I think what I liked a lot about Lamento is that for an adventure type VN it didn't have a lot of characters. It felt like there was a really personal story between the whole cast.
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Someone please tell me you have played this. Nobody has and I'm just dying because of it.
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Oh hoooooly fuck I have played this. A reeeeeally long time ago, but I played it. Totally forgot about it. I'm gonna replay it soon now, thanks.
Also, pic related.
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If that was enough to put you off from yaoi, it's probably better you didn't play it further. It's got worse stuff.
The warehouse scene with Dirk is still hot tbh.
The game had some good comedy too in my opinion, pic related.
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>tfw Belbet was your fave and you can never end up with him and he can never be happy
my poor baby cutie
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Vallewida will always be my baby. I still have caps saved from the scene of him in the dress. My femme baby.
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The author will never finish this series and the OVA was shit, but she draws some of the best sex scenes in existence. (imo)
She does a lot of short stories as well. Draws the best military uniforms. My fetish.
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I loved Negative and positive…instant love for gloomy guys in glasses
Anyone else excited for the doukyuusei film?
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Fuuucking Maiden Rose. I haven't thought about that shit in ages, man. I came across it accidentally while trying to look up episodes of Rozen Maiden. Klaus(?)' chin will forever haunt the far reaches of my mind.
Recently, I've been reading 19 Days. The art's probably not everyone's cup of tea, but that shit tugs at my heart like nothing else does. It's pretty comfy.
Another manga I've been keeping up with is Innocent, which isn't BL outright, but there's some occasional male-on-male wank that I'm sure some of you would like. I fucking love Shinichi Sakamoto's stuff. His art is so lavish and beautiful. Every page is goddamn stunning.
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Does anyone know stuff similar to image related? I just need some smut, be it oneshots, doujins or series and I'm dried up my alley.
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Anyone NTY here? It must be one of my favorite BLVNs even though it's not like mainstream BL and some people find it pretty gross. Haru's story really wrecked me, CLOCKUP games are so quality. ossan best boy
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No, Thank You!!! It's by a CLOCKUP (Euphoria, Fraternite, Maggot Baits) BL branch and generally an amazing game in my opinion. It's actually the first officially localized BL game since Enzai and Absolute Obedience in 10 so years! Mangagamer has a good info page about it, I definetely recommend it if you're not put off by big bara men (only two routes anyway.) Otherwise there's two normal twinks, Hiroyuki being pretty gr8 made me cry for two hourshttp://mangagamer.org/nty/
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Anybody else have the softest of spots for long hair?
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oh man, make that hair black and I'm sold
is there any good yaoi with long black haired guys? I've read all the vincent valentine and hellsing yaois of course, but I want moar
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This isn't even the worst stuff in the game.
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I raise you a Hadaka.
WOW I FORGOT TO SPOILER THE IMAGE
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Did anyone ever play Silver Chaos? It was my first VN ever and I completely fell in love with it. I haven't played it in a long time but I have fond memories. I don't think I ever got around to playing the second one.
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I'm just romancing my gentle prince.
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I never thought in the whole of my life I'd find someone else who would understand my love of Vallewida let alone did I think I'd be even like…discussing it outside of the confines of my brain. Thank you anon.
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getting the fujo train back on its tracks
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Someone mentioned Crimson Spell and it's exactly the content I want more of.
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dubcon a best con tho who's with me
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Seriously take your off topic shit to another thread.
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I once went to a kiosk in the mall to buy bootleg anime tapes (in the late 90s) and the girl there was talking to me about how the english translators had dubbed the canon gay out of Gundam Wing. She was just absolutely convinced it was lost in translation or something.
I mean, they really didn't help matters posting such illustrations as pic related. Fujos will always go nuts over mostly male-cast anime anyway.
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Some of the official artwork is undeniably pandering, that's for sure.
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Stop dating filthy 3d you wouldn't have issues then, you brought it upon yourself
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I loved 3x4 but quickly grew to prefer 1x3….but frankly 3xall.
Got into Tokyo Ghoul almost exclusively for pic related. I like the dubcon/yandere elements of their relationship in and out of canon. Don't care for the series outside of the first manga series.
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Anyone here played Kuro no Tsuki ? I can't believe I wasted hours on that piece of shit of a VN and still not have at least one good memory from it.
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A fanfic I read. I was obsessed with reading every single quality ff7 fanfic, and some of them happened to be yaoi and BL. I enjoyed them and have ever since.
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Fumi Yoshinaga manga. I knew about BL in middle school because a friend liked shipping and fanfics but I did't really like any of the series they were interested in (Gravitation, Loveless, Kingdom Hearts etc).
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I tried my best to deny my budding fujoshism for years but when I finally came through it was with Hamsteak, embarrassing I know. Too much pairing bait and disgusting fanart. It's also what got me into age difference/incest ships, still can't give those up.
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What's the deal with Dramatical Murder? It seems to be kinda popular.
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The characters are cute though. But i'll take togainu no chi anyday
please rec me some mango/novels with similar art style and hot ukes+semes like this+setting too
Touya/Yuki is canon :) I love that CLAMP wrote their romance into CCS but holy hell do I feel old now.
If you want to read about it, http://gekidasa.net/touyaxyuki/
is a great resource. I can't believe it's still up. Anyone here remember the days where we were all making "shrines" to our fave anime?
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Why has no one mentioned Junjou Romantica yet? It's like my all time favorite
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Gravitation was my first yaoi. And it'll be forever in my heart
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I'm with you, anon. Drunk/high dubcon is especially top tier for me.
Google imaging 'death note' as a wee 12 year old. Stumbled across a deviantArt LxLight comic with a link to the fic it was based on in the description. From that moment on forever corrupted.
I read this! Didn't the author also write some weird fucking jungle island foot fetish book? My friend bought it at a con and made me read it to her on the car ride back, neither of us were prepared for when the MC started licking the fat guy's toes.
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I can't believe I thought this was sexy
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i first watched black butler. got me hooked. i always had a thing for this. now there is a term for it. then i watched kaze to ki no uta. Absolutely fantastic. Best manga and anime. Need more bl im running low
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Kuroshitsuji is great, cielxsebastian is a really classic pairing and the setting / fashion is just my favorite
Oh, and the age difference improves it quite a bit for me…
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>tfw no love for bara ever
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I'm with you, anon.
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D-does my soumako count?
actually I don't think they count but I might be wrong. Outside of Japan this might be considered bara. But in Japan this is nothing.
Any soumako shippers out there?
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Thank you,so do you!
But fuck, its so hard to find DJs, the only things that I can find is fanfiction or comic minis. But all I really want is mango DJs. It's all I ask for
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Im sorry anon :'(
I found two other dj's but its not englishreeeeeeee
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this was good, though short.
'love in motion' by kumota haruko
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Just finished reading this by Ogawa Chise. Pretty good as far as smut goes.
The high school has an arbitrary caste system put in place by a game organized by the students. The game decides everyone's social "rank" in the school. The longtime "King" is cast down to the lowest rank in the next game.
There are a few stories involved, I like the second one best (pic related). There are some continuity errors from first to second story but you can just overlook them.
There were a few scenes that I would have liked to see and would have made sense in the context (and almost happened…) but weren't there. Lots of dubcon.
Ogawa Chise writes a lot of good smut, though some of it is incest. I'm not usually into that but I've been reading it anyway because I like everything else.
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Anyone watching Super Lovers? It's sooo cute, I binged watched all the available episodes in one night, it's still ongoing.
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Oh, this bitch. She's great but she absolutely broke my heart last season. I wanted a two dads end so bad.
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she likes to do that…
i love her anyway.
i've read and reread most of her works.
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I like this one too. No underage characters and no rape. Cute story.
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I recently read "conveni-kun" and i absolutely loved it. It's freaking adorable, no rape or anything like that, cute love story with a kick of realism, cute art, both characters are the same age, very small but sweet sex scene… it's a good short and sweet read!
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Seconded so much. It was amazing everything I dreamed and more.
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Also posting more fluffy (no rape, violence or underage) BL recs if anyone prefers that as I do.
Kaeru no prince sama
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Terebi kun kimochi is sweet. and has that kind of cute noodle style like doukyuusei
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It's fucking beautiful
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Not sure my body is ready for the suffering
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But are you ready for this?
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Me too anon, me too
Especially on serious characters x goofy sweet characters. Instant heart melt.
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Is anyone keeping up with 19 days? Thoughts on the latest chapter? Hurts my heart…
They are so cute together.
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Anon, your link was removed.
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Absolutely. He does things to me
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double posting but who cares
maki best boy (surprisingly) tho i loved hiroyuki as well
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Maki and Hiroyuki are my top faves and their routes wrecked me
pic not related but decisions decisions
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yeah their routes….so i honestly teared up a bit. the end of maki's route….it hit me hard…..
ryu's route hit me too. i didn't like him as much as the others (i generally dislike meganes) but by the end of it i felt.
i keep trying to get people to play it but NO ONE WILL because they don't like the character designs. kouichi was a bit too daddy for me but otherwise i don't see what the big deal is. the plot was actually good (for a bl game) and like….it's all around a good game. damn.
if nothing else people should play it because it's the first localized bl game in ages and we need more.
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Dude can we like exchange emails or something bc I already like you.
Yeah, I didn't expect much from Ryu's route, but I like how it's the route that reveals a lot of backstory. I honestly didn't expect to tear up towards the end of his route.
idk what's wrong with the character designs but it's a lot better compared to most BL games. i totally get why people don't expect much cuz there's a good amount of porn in there. but there's plot!
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y-yeah i totally made a throwaway please email me lmao
to be honest i pirated it…and then i was so impressed that i paid $50 for a hardcopy after i finished. it's totally worth it.
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Oh definitely! The the download version is 39.99 and it takes about 4-6 hours to complete each route.
Btw I'm a newfag and idk how to do that black bar thingy over text
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in my opinion, this is the best order (for the story) is…
but that's not the one most people suggest. i think most people suggest hiroyuki as the first route and i have to agree. if you're not sure where to start i would just start with him, he's super cute and screams a lot and you get a good idea of how everyone else is.
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i hope you love it! i blew through the whole game in like a weekend (and then proceeded to talk to anyone who would listen about it very one-sidedly) it was so good.
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same. i can't believe he was straight from the beginning and 3 sex scenes in he's thirsting for dick woooo boi
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i love a not-gay route like that…and a virgin on top of it all… HEH.
i want all of the ntys to be happy and comfy.
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i pray for a fandisk
I want a sequel so bad bc there's so much about this story that can be elaborated. i just want moar and there aren't even enough doujins to go around.
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i KNOW… why is the fanbase so fucking small? even on pixiv it's not as big as other ones.
i know they had at one point announced an ova (i think before the game even dropped) but it didn't make the cut i guess. maybe because the dmmd anime sucked so much. for some reason i have the idea that it was super popular because it got an official localization, but maybe it wasn't. i don't know.
i liked the bonus stories in the special edition box but i need more than that.
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Can we just exchange emails? It's been a long time since the Dmmd fandom screwed me over and I need some one to talk abt NTY with. then again i should be thankful that it didnt get popular or else i'll be seeing bs headcanon about haru being trans or smtn
i'd rather not have that being put down my throat and y'all know how tumblr fandoms can be. Let dudes be dudes!
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haha yeah i'm the same anon as above in case you are a different anon. anyone can email me if they want.
this thread has been cathartic, i has a lot of pent up feelings about it with no one to talk to haha.
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I'm the anon before that and I made a temp email. Anyone who hasn't played NTY, plz try the demo. It's really good.
I want to meet more people who are into this game bc tfw no fujo friends
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Anyone else a fan of HQ!!?
I'm worried it's becoming too flavour of the month and it'll disappear quickly, but it's genuinely become my favourite sports anime. For once I don't really have an OTP, and I enjoy seeing the different ships come out of doujins/fic/fanart. It's really interesting to see who people ship different characters.
Plus it's so cute and pure, and there's none of that stupid irrational hatred/rivalry that plagues other sports animes. It's a realistic setting where characters have healthy rivalries but also friendships with people from other teams. I especially love Bokuto and Kuroo's dynamic, as well as Hinata's ability to befriend practically everyone.
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Second Season is really good! The manga is also pretty far ahead if you want to start reading that, but in the current chapters it's getting a bit dramatic.
Same! I remember hating volleyball back in HS because I was too scared of the ball, but now I want to try it again, kek.
What is with Oikawa fans and wanting to see him cry?
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One month left. I can't wait for the suffering. Also Seiji's VA is some A++ shit: http://pa-rade.jp/rn9/
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Anyone got some priest/monk yaoi for me? Can't find anything good.
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>Just trying to lurk /g/
>Half naked men mounting each other
God damned fujoshis
If anyone's interested in reading In These Words and other miscellaneous works by Guilt Pleasure, I dumped my collection on 8chan's /y/.http://8ch.net/y/res/1724.html
I know these comics are a bitch to find, so I thought I'd do the fujoshits a favor by sharing. :^)
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Who's watching Yuri on Ice? It's a good time to be a fujo.
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Past tense is pretty hard to get wrong in a translation, but it was narration anyway which is usually past tense.
But it was that in combination with the fact that he looked sad about his future and he's dropping everything to go mentor someone who could replace him, plus some minor things (the dog named after him dying). It's probably just retirement, but death would have a lot of dramatic effect so people ran with it.
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Any of you fujo's dabble in 3DPD? There's a new crime drama called Eyewitness (based on Øyevitne) with two cute homo leads.
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Yeah, she did:
>❝ IS IT JUST MY IMAGINATION, OR DID IT FEEL LIKE THIS WEEK’S EPISODE OF NIGEHAJI [WHERE THE MAIN CHARACTERS FINALLY KISSED] SYNCHRONIZED WITH SOMETHING…? ❞
>- Kubo Mitsurou, the creator of YOI, just after the episode aired this week (x)
Anyway, I'm hoping the animation is improved in the BDs since they obviously care about it but lack the time/resources to perfect it. In the meantime, it's easily worth it for this.
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Going back to Yuri on Ice, but wew they went there. Finally an actual non-pandery sports anime.
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This manga made me realize how much I love ugly uke/ gorgeous seme love stories. The confusion and insecurity in the ugly duckling is so endearing to me. I'm sad I can't find many other stories like this. "Out of Control" is said to be similar, and some of the art even looks vaguely traced from His Favourite, but the tone and pacing and set up aren't jiving with me.
I love His Favourite but I wish it had more sex/love scenes and I wish the update speed wasn't glacial.
same I remember people taking the piss outta it and honestly, I dont care. I just wanna watch a show
"but muh quality"
k, youve got Haikyuu and Free to bait you over, have fun with them fml.>>20990
Basically they arent queer baiting, they arent shying away from it so straight girls can imagine themselves banging the characters, liking guys isnt ~forbidden~ for the characters. It's still got Chris for the YAOIII GUIIIZZZ women to cream themselves over but even he's been hinted at for being in a relationship.
tldr-they aint baiting.
I don't think you understand what other anon was saying with pandering. The series is obviously targeted at the same type of women into other sports anime and the fujos that buy tons of show merchandise.
It's funny that almost showing two guys kissing is enough to make girls drop hundreds of dollars on keychains, magazines and underwear.
Yeah but it's not pandering in the whole "Oh will they ever kiss? Here's 20 episodes of long hugs and lingering looks and innuendo but THEY'RE NOT GAY LELELELLELE"
Like for once it's there. It's canon. Yeah fujos are going crazy and spending tons of money but it'll hopefully show companies and stuff that actual yaoi/gay shit can succeed and we will get less queerbaiting and actual queer shit.
>>20994>"Oh will they ever kiss? Here's 20 episodes of long hugs and lingering looks and innuendo but THEY'RE NOT GAY LELELELLELE"
Maybe I just don't watch enough anime, but I don't remember any recent fujo show that got popular being like this. At all.
Do you also believe free! wasn't pandering?
They know queerbaiting/Yaoi will work with the recent boom in woman aimed shows and realising hey, women have money too.
What I hope it will put forward is gay relationships can happen in anime that aren't girls or "the stereotype yaoi" shit, it's a normal relationship lmao.>>20995
Same, hoping for a season 2, they are teasing it and I'd be up for it. A lot of people have started saying "oh it's a phase", which yeah…anime is like flavour of the month. Don't get on a high horse and act like your too good for it to look cool.(tfw you have an irl friend who is like this)>>20996
Free is bait af but it was fun.
wow that's really neat!http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/aitsu_no_daihonmei/
has scans up to the 7 vol andhttps://www.sublimemanga.com/reader/701https://www.sublimemanga.com/reader/709
are the latest. they cost about 6 bucks ea, but i'm willing to support sublime because they picked up a lot of dead titles and work with the publishers.
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anyone else reading killing stalking?
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What are some good websites to discuss fujo stuffs? Tumblr is shit, twitter doesn't work for that kind of things and I'm a bit bored of /a/ these days. This thread is good but a bit slow. I'm fine with anything as long as I don't have to talk about pairings to 14 years old brats or SJW retards tbh. It sucks to be a lonely fujo. To stay on topic, I really want to read gourmet no fukurami but there are no scans so far, or am I looking in the wrong places?
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I miss live journal. The quality of fandom discussion there was so much higher even though it was a hotbed for drama. The /a/ threads for YOI are full of autism and tumblr is self explanatory.
I kinda miss being a high school aged weeb because I've been a fujo for so long (since age 13 tbqh) and I used to have fujo friends back when we were just called yaoi fan girls. Now all my friends are normalfags and I have nobody to sperg out with.
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I'd rather not talk to underage retarded fujos and be all by myself tbh. But I'll keep these forums in mind just in case I change my mind, thanks.>>21005
I miss lj too but I feel like I didn't get to use it as much as other people my age. I mostly lurked a bunch of communities and never made an account because my English at the time wasn't good enough to talk to others.>it was a hotbed for drama
Well, tumblr seems way worse but without the advantages lj had. But like I said, I didn't use it all that much compared to many of you guys so I'm sure I missed most of the drama.
I guess I'll stick to my few rl fujo friends but we don't share the same fandoms and tastes at all.
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Anyone here keeping up with/reading Acid Town? I love the story and art but the ch come painfully slow and it's killing me.
It updated recently i think, but i already forgot the whole story kek>>21005
Oh god same, at my age it's not as "normal" still being a fujo so it's more difficult to sperg to irl people about it (or online for that matter). I miss being like 10 and exchanging shitty DJs with my friends like it was normal and discussing them on the web. Now i can't have a single discussion that is not garbage.
Most places in the internet right now are shit to discuss BL since comment sections are full of 14 y/o and most independent places are tumblr-tier cancer.
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Fuuuuck yes! It's been awhile since I've been invested in a comic. Love the art style, and both main characters; I'm so excited to see how it'll end. Only problem is the yoi/tumblr fanbase that won't stop fucking posting about how "edgy" they are for reading it, or how the main relationship is "toxic
" and "abusive
" (no shit?). It is surprising that it would be even popular over there considering the content?
>>21001>ukeboi has the same retarded worried crying expression on every page and also literally crying all the time>wearing a goddamn skirt
The story is interesting and the art is nice, though. But where are my mangos with two regular looking dudes? I'm sick of one always being the girly crying skinny uguuu femboi being put in girl's clothes. It's the opposite of what I like.
>>21018> turned into the protagonist acting like a beaten wife even though he started out as a weirdo stalker.
It would have been interesting if the protagonist was as fucked-up mentally as the beginning hyped him to be. I'd be down for two sick fucks trying to outsmart and outdo each other and having weird homolust over it, instead of the "psychopath edgelord vs stockholm syndrome uke" torture porn it turned out to be.
Also the art looks like Junji Ito tried to make a BL doujin of that guy from Attack on Titan and the YOI guy with the uncontrollable ejaculation problem.
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Since KillingStalking seems to have tickled some fancies (it was new to me) thought id share something thats very next level in terms of art and story…however i dont think there has yet to be an english translation which sucks balls for non weebs or koreaboos. (Only translation i know of is korean)
Uh but getting a gist of the story from imagery alone wouldnt be hard and tbh its total visual porn to me (not as in sexual but the art style is pretty dope)
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Not a big fan of BL just cruising through catalog then I see this shit.
Gotten into Killing Stalking myself and its pretty good, interesting plot but its so fucked in the head. Am impressed so far though!
The art style isn't the typical shitty animu one either its kinda realistic but still animu like? Its pretty good
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(Anon who posted the manga here)
I am actually vinegar over how theres not more from him / in this genre of bara (and bara manga in general) that gets picked up for translation. Just like you anon im a filfy animal for this type of shit.
If you have any fave bara mangas id love to check them out (if i havent already read em who knows)
Meanwhile to keep on track Mentaiko/Itto is deff on the mainstream side of bara/duh yaoiz but i still fucking love the works that have come out;;;;; senseless bara porn is always tasty af
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does anyone else remember being 13 and lying about their age and downloading hetalia doujins off of livejournal comms
no shame, it was such a good series for yaoi back in the day
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If we're going to talk about webtoons, then I recommend checking this one out.
>>21016>ukeboi has the same retarded worried crying expression on every page and also literally crying all the time>wearing a goddamn skirt
this lil nigga is like Okane Ga Nai's Ayase bitch who cries all the time but cant stop loving his abusive
giant ass hands seme
Same, anon. Fuck this loner fujo life.
Also baldfat lives forever.
I just want a place where to discuss my baldfat in peace ; _ ; /yoi/ is getting too retarded lately even for /yoi/'s standards.
It's so painfully specific but I'd kill to have a few adult fujobros. Maybe because I'm old as shit and have a career and bills but Baldfat and BL manga is one of the last things I've kept from my teenage days.
Shit I remember obsessively following translations for Yami no matsuei and other fujobait shoujo on lj. I hear it's finally off hiatus but nobody in the English speaking world remembers it.
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I'm surprised that nobody in this thread has talked about DRAMAtical Murder. Nitro+Chiral is releasing a new BL game soon called Slow Damage, do you all think it'll be any good?
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not quite what this thread is about bc it's a non-anime graphic novel but The Less Than Epic Adventures of TJ and Amal is hands-down one of the best bits of gay fiction I've ever read. Started reading for the realistic-yet-slow-burn-heat sex scenes, ended up strung on the actually rather touching and wrenching at points story.
absolutely not the typical yaoi experience, don't expect any pretty boys (but if you're into muscular bottoms, boy is this gonna be your jam), but that ain't a bad thing.
even better: it's finished (for a while now, don't know why i just thought of it after so long) and all free to read onlinehttp://tjandamal.com/
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Are we just not gonna talk about this masterpiece?
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Girl, you don't even know
>I'm a sucker for ahegao
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Anyone watching the new season of Attack on Titan? I remember it being so popular 4 years ago.
I loved Erwin and Levi so much.
I didn't even know there was a new season holy shit
I'm into Levi/Eren myself, like ~2 years ago when I was actively in the fandom on tumblr there was a super autistic shipping war against it and our tags were spammed to hell. It was fucking weird, it was the first time I rejoined a ship fandom since my deviantart days around 07-09 so I was so confused by how self-righteous people had gotten with fucking anime shipping
>sage for blog post
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so I really
like killingstalking and last weekend I highly recommended it to a girl I want to be friends with and at first I was worried she'd judge me for its problematic
content and after reading this thread I'm worried she's gonna think I'm a basic bitch kek
anyway can anyone recommend any similar psychological/horror/dark yaoi manga?
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(This is kinda ot but I'm super curious)
Are straight fujos rare? I remember back in my deviantart days occasionally seeing outside people stereotype yaoi fangirls as all being lesbians, and every close fujo friend I've made turned out being some sort of queer. It was actually confusing for 14 year old me at first since I concluded my interest in BL was b/c I was super straight and thought everyone was the same lol
You don't know a lot of fujos do you?
The "fujos are lesbians" meme is so old and based on a tired stereotype that actually finding a fujo girlfriend as a lesbian fujo is terribly hard. In the olden days these "lesbian fujos" were straight girls who were just afraid of contact with men so they turned to their female friends to form a proto-lesbian relationship. Nowadays the "lesbian fujos" are transtrenders trying to present as gay men and preaching about how regular cisgirls liking BL is ~fetishizing homosexuality~ (which they're certainly not doing). So all in all, most fujos are straight or bisexual.
Well, first of all the men in BL act more like women than actual real-life men since most of it is written by women, so the female audience can identify with the characters to a certain degree. They're usually romance stories first, which men don't find appealing. If you compare it to yuri, yuri is often quite masculine and the girls don't act like girls do because contrary to BL it's most of the time written by men for a male audience. It's more about character dynamics and stories than the actual gender of the characters.
i only counted 22 mouth-to-mouth kisses with 14 of them hidden by the rest of the face or the head so those could still be faked.
21 of those kisses though they only touched each other with their mouths not real kisses in my opinion.
and with the exception of 1 or 2 all of them are lowkey ugly.
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I'm playing FE Fates Conquest these days, I wanted to marry Zero/Niles as a guy but I decided to play as a girl because this would let me unlock all the characters instead, including Niles' fujo daughter. I wonder what changes when you marry him as a guy, aside from the support scenes that aren't different in the shit localization. I'll try to marry him as a guy in Revelation. I wish Silas were a gay option too and that the lesbian option weren't so shit.
iirc, people were being banned for hacking enemy-only skills and weapons, like Point Blank and the Skadi bow, onto their own units and then playing online with them.
Anyway, I agree that the gay option for ladies is complete garbage in the vanilla game. There were a bunch of characters that would've been more suitable, but nope.
Yeah, Niles/MC (regardless of gender for me but still) is a great pairing, they're really cute. I like when characters act tough or like they're perverts or things like that but at some point they start being really nice and cute and even romantic, and I have a soft spot for characters who have white hair and dark skin so I love Niles in general. I'm still salty they changed his love confession to a random joke in English.>>21087
Close enough, but maybe I was mixing this case with Pokémon Sun/Moon's release or another Nintendo game.
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can we make a BL discord please. i am lonely and i want someone, anyone, to discuss with
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Been playing Room no 9 recently, i was so excited for it, and honestly i'm tiny bit disappointed with it.
The story is kind of mediocre. I am currently missing only one ending block, which i hope explains a little more of the story or gives more depth to the characters other than "we are friends, he is the super super chill bottom bitch and i'm the hyper one". I know bl games do not tend to have the best stories, but unless you treat this one as pure smut you'll probably be disappointed most of the time except for a few endings.
So far, the choices to make seem rather limited. Kinda thought you would decide every day wether to do torture or sex since the game seemed to be about that, but you make a choice between those two one single time since the rest of the time the boys choose it themselves (and i'ts always sex, hooray). Only made 5-6 choices in my 10 hours playing. (which do change the endings dramatically, to be fair.)
The sex cg's are absolutely fantastic, the art is nice(although there were definitely some weird proportions or perspectives, but i don't mind it as much) and the voice acting is superb, the scat cg with grotesque stuff turned on is fucking gross though, didn't expect it to be as graphic, which surprised me. So if you pick it up and are grossed by that stuff, be warned that you cannot skip this part of the story, as it is obligatory, although you can turn grotesque off and it's not bad at all
Overall, it's okay, the boys are cute and the sex is great and some endings are pretty good, but i'm still kinda dissapointed eventhough i like it quite a lot, maybe i was expecting too much out of it.
I mean this one youtuber I watch does a lot of yaoi let's plays and generally enjoys them but he's straight
Also wouldn't it be the same as straight girls who enjoy cute yuri stories?
If you are cool downloading illegally you can get it at anime-sharing.com
Otherwise, i'm pretty sure you can buy legally on the parade website and amazon.jp.>>21099
Pretty sure there is a lot of fundashi out on the wild. Since this is a more female oriented board you probably won't find as many here. But for example in 4chan's /y/ threads there is a lot of male posters, in reddit's /r/yaoi (i think it's called) too.>>21100
The same that it is for a woman, i guess? I don't really see the difference.
Most people enjoy cute/deep stories, good characters, pretty art and cheesy love stuff, which yaoi/bl has tons of. Yaoi also tends to have more story (be it good or bad) as opposed to hentai/yuri, which tends to be mostly pure smut and fanservice, which could attract all kinds of people and sexes.
I personally find it absolutely normal when straight (or otherwise) men enjoy bl/yaoi.
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I want more of Canis
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Can anyone recommend a live-action BL/yaoi adaptation where the acting isn't absolutely garbage
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I really love 19 Tian (19 Days), however the waiting is agonizing.
Also I think it could be really interesting if they took the animation style and made it into an anime. Is there a word for Chinese anime? (…google says it's donghua?)
I'd totally watch some yaoi donghua
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Maybe this is weirdly specific, but.. Is there any yaoi/BL, manga or game or whatever, that is set on the Victorian or Rococco area? Heck, I'll even take literature. I think of this since I first read Dorian Grey, I just wanna see oldschool boys gettin' it on.
Pic very related, Enjolras from the Les Mis manga.
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It's not actually BL but there is rococo homo in the manga Innocent
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Pic related is really good. (seven days monday to thursday). If you're open for stuff that isn't Japanese I recommend Shangyin ("addicted"). It's a Chinese webdrama. Thailand also have a shit ton of good bl movies.
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Watched both parts today on your rec anon. Super cute, actually had some chemistry between the leads. Just the sort of thing I was looking for! Though much as I enjoy the occasional high school drama, I often yearn for more stuff with older guys, or at least in their twenties, since I am… the age that I am, lol. Live action yakuza yaoi is the unicorn I search for.
I'm definitely also going to check out Shangyin when I can. Feel free to tell me your favorite Thai movies too, I'd love to dip my toe in that arena!
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There seem to be quite a few anons who're still into Yaoi (judging by the Porn Criticism thread), so I hope it's okay to necro this thread.
I absolutely love when the roles are "reversed", meaning a strong, manly Uke and a feminine, long-haired Seme.
I highly recommend all of Abe Akane's works. Pic related is "Moon and Sun", it's extremely good and beautifully drawn (however, the Seme is crossdressing, so if that's not your thing…).
Other stuff of hers that I really like (and read multiple times) are "Ubawareru Koto Marugoto Zenbu" and "Suki Toiunoni Nazekashira" (both stories are linked together). No older Seme raping a childlike Uke who ends up enjoying it, just two handsome adults.
Naono Bohra is quite good as well.
I'd also recommend:
>Hima na no de Hajimete Mimasu
>Koi To Kedama To Otonari-san
>Konya mo Nemurenai
>Dorobou Neko ni wa Nusumenai
Never. I'll always stand with lightsaber penises in censored manga.
And anyway, penises are mostly for gay men, like the giant dick stuff, nipples/butts/tongues are way more erotic.
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Anyone reading anything interesting lately? I've been enjoying DoS Obake Ga Nekasetekurenai. The plot is kinda nonexistent but the sex scenes are good and well drawn.
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Read Kazoku ni Narouyo by Kurahashi Tomo today! A very sweet story about family, love and friendship, with some short but nice steamy scenes. I have such a soft spot for stories featuring gay couples being parents (through omegaverse or adoption) !
Also thank god for this thread, I have a few fujo friends IRL but none of them are as into BL/yaoi and shipping as me…
And I actually really enjoyed this. The plot was dumb af but it was kinda hot.
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….another? ;_; (a very late anon)
I'm saving all of these fluffy BL reccs, bless all of your fujo/fudan hearts.
Gambare wa, Nakamura-kun!! is a great oneshot in the same genre, but it wouldn't actually be boyS love in plural since it's a one sided love. The art is really neat and it emulates an pre 2000s style, and its bound to make you skip at least a beat.
DMMD I'll give you, but I wouldn't call NTY "extremely popular". It hardly has anything resembling a visible fanbase.
Anyway I asked this for a few reasons. One because I was reading a 5ch thread where Jap fujos are worried about the state of BL games, calling it an endangered genre and noting how niche it is. Companies go bankrupt left and right and sales are low. If even Japs think it's dead, it's dead.
Two, on the Western side of things, I noticed how otome fans are extremely visible and organized, and constantly push for a wide variety of games to get localized and make sure companies see them. Contrast with BL where fujos seem largely disinterested in BL games beyond DMMd.
Considering how many fujos are out there you'd think BLVNs would be more thriving. I can only wonder if there's a reason why they're largely overlooked.
Just theorizing so don't take me too seriously but I wonder if it's because of the relative time and effort required to download them and get them to work vs anime/manga. It's not super difficult or anything but finding a legit download source and messing with the settings can still be a turn off for a computer noob, whereas streaming media or reading online is much more comfortable and simple. And unlike otome, there just isn't enough (good) content being produced for anyone to give a fuck. The reason western fans go on about DMMD (and other N+C titles) and NTY is cause they're flagships, and there isn't that much else worth reading with a promise of any kind of translation.
For me personally, I'm growing out of my fujo phase and while I still like some content, I'm probably not serious enough about it anymore to bother with a full length VN. I think many western fujos are leaving for fanfiction (even of non-Asian media) or regular vidya with romance plots like Dragon Age or ME.
They are. The only problem is that only a few selected ones get translated, I think there are only two or three officially translated VNs and just a few with a fan translation patch available. Only a small amount of people speak Japanese fluently enough to be able to go through a novel so the issue isn't much about how fujos don't like VNs, it's just about the availability of them being scarce. >>21120
me too tbh
Hate to derail, but… why? It's drawn/written by and for creepy men. I'm a lesbian and I still don't understand why any (real) girl would prefer it over BL unless she sees women the same way those creeps do.
Daily reminder that kabi nagata is a fujo
>>21136>all yuri isn't like that
It's undeniable that the vast majority of it is and, at the very least, written by males.
>also some of us like stuff creepy men write. i hate this idea that only men like super sexual stuff. stuff written for men is just stuff that's hot in a specific sexual way. many women are like that honestly.
Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "unless she sees women the same way those creeps do." Those women are just as gross as the men are and tbh it screams
internalized misogyny/regular misogyny. In some ways, I think lesbian fetishes are even uglier on females.
>>21135> I'm a lesbian and I still don't understand why any (real) girl would prefer it over BL unless she sees women the same way those creeps do.
This. Nobody in their right mind would ever claim that yuri is meant for lesbian girls. I have yet to see a yuri comic with realistic female characters that doesn't classify as josei and a general "romance" manga instead of just "yuri".>>21136>just like all yaoi isn't for girls
Just because some gay men (fudanshi) read BL comics doesn't mean they're directed towards men. The stuff meant for them isn't usually classified as "yaoi", it's more of the trashy bara stuff with lots of dirty sex that's made for guys. >>21138
Fujos know their game won't be translated no matter how much they push it, the market is MUCH smaller than for otome games and the west is scared of gays anyway. And I don't know where you hang around to say that the BL audience doesn't express interest in untranslated games, I see a lot of people lamenting over how a.) they're not available to the west even in Japanese b.) they don't exist at all. The main woe is that even in Japan the BL games are pretty niche and not a lot of them get even made compared to Otomes which pop up like mushrooms. For every BL game there are like 20 Otome games so of course their availability (and thus demand) is a lot higher. And to be frank a lot of fujos substitute otome games for BL due to the reasons mentioned so the genre has double the fans.
I was on my phone and I was just wondering. I know how to use the find command. don't see why you gotta get all pissy about it>>21135
I am a bi woman and I simply have enjoyed yuri. I never really got into yaoi or BL because honestly I associate it with fakeboi idiots on Tumblr and imho fujoshi "culture" online is gross. but to each their own
Hope they'll take on Slow Damage once it gets released.
Also I wish bara games got translations but they're a niche within a niche lol. Fug
I mean you come to the BL thread to ask about a Yuri thread while absolutely having to announce that you don't like BL in your very first reply and then dig yourself even deeper in the second one. I don't know the thought process behind that course of action was but it, in fact, made you look like an utter retard. >>21141
You. I like you.>>21142>>21143
On a related note I'm hoping that the option for digital releases will bring translating BL back to life again. A lot of publishers translating BL manga seemed to go belly under due to poor sales some years ago, but that seemed to correlate with long release times caused by the manufacturing of physical copies. At least some Harada's titles were translated as digital releases recently I think.
I completely agree with you here. VNs just take a bit more work then a doujin/manga. For the most part you can find a translation of a something. VNs take more effort to translate
Stuff like DMMD got more popular because it had an anime associated with it too.
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As if there aren't millions of straight girls who unironically want to fuck men like Adam Driver, and millions of others who willingly date abusive
and/or fugly men. Fuck off, cocksucker.
>>21152>Fuck off, cocksucker>implying it's an insult
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I'm glad you liked it! >>21122
I loved Ganbare, Nakamura-kun! The art style reminds me of old Rumiko Takahashi art. The characters were cute too, and I got some good laughs from it.
It doesn't really count as BL, but I've also been reading Shimanami Tasogare, which I really like. The art is wonderful and though the main character is kind of boring, the plot is engaging and I like the other characters a lot and I'm looking forward to seeing how everything will turn out.
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Thoughts on webcomics?
Always Raining Here. You can read it here: http://alwaysraininghere.com/
The art's pretty meh at first but it gets better.
I'm on it. The coins add up but I think its worth it. There was a bit of a problem with the company a couple of months ago regarding them not paying the artists correctly.. I'm unsure if this problem is fixed or still on going ;-; but I hope it's fixed. I want the artists/authors to get compensated for their work. So that's why even if I read them illegally from like Tumblr or Mangago I do go back and buy the chapters so that they'll continue.
For reqs I'd say start off with : Blood Bank,Royal Servant, Killing Stalking (you're either going to really like it or really hate it), Make me bark (the art style is.. well you'll get used to it),See you again.
Samefag here. Used to love this one as well. I don't know what happened but when it started again after that huge months long hiatus, I hated everything about it.http://tjandamal.com/index.html
This one is my favourite. It was very bittersweet when it finished.
It's more grown up than the others in this thread (does it even count as boy love when characters are grown up?) I loved the themes it tackled, the art is stunning and the main characters really grow on you.
They definitely are overly trigger
happy on thread freezing there. It also is a lot less active than it was when it first started out. I can still sometimes get an enjoyable discussion out of it, though. And there are a lot of older fannish women who frequent it (as opposed to tumblr girls who label everything problematic
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Recently I read Sonna Me de Mite Kure, it was short but cute if you don't mind haircuts
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I've always been more of an 'opportunistic' fujo instead of a dedicated fan but lately I've been consuming more BL media because I found out my coworker is a fujoshi. She's a better fujoshi than I am so I've been watching/reading stuff on her recommendation. Kind of makes me wistful about not being more of a babby fujo as a teen I could have had so much fun. We suspect a third coworker may also be a fujoshi too but we're not sure yet, we don't work anywhere associated with nerds or weebs we're pretty much office ladies lol. Personally I prefer BL to straight up Yaoi, I guess I'm a prude.
Anyway it isn't technically in the BL genre but I finished up Seraph of the End recently and the fujo bait is ridiculous. MikaYuu will never be canon which sucks, they have great scenes and I want them to be happy. The first season was so fucking rough but I'm glad I persevered, I'm getting by on fanfiction and reading the manga.
Thank you for the explanatipn. To me allowing yourself to indulge in a fantasy about romance without the burdens of being a woman (not only those existing in fiction, but also in real life) is really different than feeling competitive toward female characters, which to me brings the idea of the Die For Our Ship crazy fangirls that hate any female character that has any relationship with half of potential gay couple (or hating female characters due low self-esteem).
I am not a fujoshi though, so yeah. Just reporting on an interesting idea that I read.
I suppose for many yaoi readers the reason is just 'that's sexy, duh' and there is nothing wrong with that.
You are making it more aggressive than I intended. I just mean it's more enjoyable to read romances without feeling inadequate all the time, like, constantly being reminded that I'm not that smol and am too jaded to act cute and innocent all the time. I think it's much healthier to avoid it and go into yaoi than what some people do, become weeb.
I called it feeling competitive because this is a popular and imo accurate formulation of the sentiment. But yes it's less charitable than the academic one. Maybe I should start telling people the other one instead.
>>21190>being a fujoshi =/= being a weeb > ???
but fujoshis are a type of weebs, anon…
You don't have to lie, your reasons are yours alone and you don't have to try to measure yourself to anyone else. I just disagree that those two explanations are similar. One is more about feeling bad about yourself, the other about feeling bad about society.
If it helps, the academic idea was tied into Japan's gender politics and a specific point in time (the crration of bl/yaoi and it's growing popularity), so I am not sure if it applies to many fangirls anywhere. I just found it an interesting explanation. It does sound very high and noble for being a theory about female-read erotica.
I don't feel competitive with cutesy innocent girls personally, I just find it pathetic and I can't relate or enjoy it. It's like, I don't want to be that way but I don't want to be reminded that it's considered desirable either.
Anyway I'm sure your intentions weren't bad or mean spirited, I didn't mean assume you meant the worst when you said competitive. But some people love putting fujos down as pathetic jelly losers, and women in general as catty and hating each other. Nobody really thinks that about guys who like lesbian porn, it's just a normal thing for men and doesn't get questioned.
Enjoying japanese media doesn't by itself make you a weeb. I meant how some people try to imitate anime girls, Venus Angelic etc.
I think you described it well in that post actually. Both explanations identified the feel-bad that's yaoi avoids but the blame is placed differently.
I often explain this to people as the reason why I like BL and they usually understand. If they don't, they're more usually retarded dudebros who think women liking porn is a dream come true but only if they like the stuff made for men.
I don't remember which thread it was but someone said that shitty men are easy to spot by how badly they treat fujos because it goes on to show that they hate it when women have sexual autonomy. The whole term "fujoshi" comes from people calling girls rotten because their virginal value is spoiled if they like porn all on their own.
The "there's no competition in yaoi for women" reason is true to an extent, but it 's not the whole story and I hate how people are pushing that narrative. BL lets women enjoy their sexuality and have something catered to female gaze without feeling like they're being pressured by exhibiting the ideal female role. Not a lot of media has that.
Are you illiterate or did you not read my post at all? I literally said >Het sex is something I can do IRL and I can get off to it
but why the fuck would I bother if I'm reading fic or manga? I can have straight sex IRL, and mainstream media provides a non stop stream of het romance so I'm never, ever deprived of it. If it's a fantasy and all in my imagination, I prefer a story involving two people I'm attracted to, not one person plus a shitty half assed character designed to alleviate loneliness via self insertion.
nta but most heterosexual porn is made for
men, and especially in hentai, a lot of the times the man is just a ghost dick or may as well be. and most of the time the woman has a very specific role, like childhood friend or nextdoor neighbor or mom's drunk friend on the couch. and usually the girl has more lines or specific ones that relate to her personality, again, for the guy to self insert. it's much easier for guys to self insert as joe every-dick.
People calling it fetishizing really bother me tbh. Firstly because it's so arbitrary… when does liking something sexual become a fetish, and when does a fetish becoming 'fetishizing', and when does fetishizing become harmful/unethical? Is it still fetishizing when they exclusively enjoy G rated, non porn BL?
And like you said, the reality is that fujos enjoy humanized and developed characters. I find this particularly true for western fujos in regards to fanfic (may also be true in Japanese fic but I can't read it) - many girls literally want to read hundreds of thousands of words of slow build relationship development before getting to the sex. They gravitate towards fanfiction rather than original stories because they want to know and like the characters. They are far from objectified and a lot of the time show a lot of respect and affection for the characters involved. Yeah, there is some ~problematic
~ stuff, like top/bottom stereotypes and 'loving rape', but chances are that stuff is written by young, sexually inexperienced women. They are projecting their understanding of straight sex on gay sex because that's literally all they know, and it's a result of misogyny rather than homophobia. And people are really growing out of that shit these days.
i know that’s not what you were getting at but this just reminded me of how fucking much i hate the ‘waaah top/bottom is stoopid, it’s not straight sex!!’ idea that a lot of woke transtrenders who like to shit on fujos love to push so hard.
a lot of women who are into yaoi are straight so them applying heteronormative dynamics onto the characters isn’t strange at all. having certain preferences as to what character holds what ~position~ in bed isn’t dumb or problematic
. it’s literally a just sexual preference, it just happens to be that it applies to fictional scenarios and not irl.
it’s a fantasy.
it’s not real.
no sane person is claiming that’s how every single gay relationship since the beginning of time is structured.
i wish people would stop trying to dictate what women can and can’t like. there’s an entire industry revolving around what men like in terms of sexual entertainment and it’s completely accepted and celebrated. allow women to enjoy their choice of sexual entertainment and preferences in peace.
let fujos live 2k18.
this. if anything it's problematic
to deny that men can be submissive and that their relationships aren't similar to het relationships, because many of them are.
wtf do they think gay men do, wrestle naked for dominance until one of their dicks pops into the other's ass?
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Koisuru Intelligence is probably one of my favorites, this panel had me dead lol
Very much agreed. Frankly I don't even care if the "loving rape" trope or dubcon in BL is ~le problematic
~ because in the end it will never, ever be as damaging as misogynistic 3D porn with real life actors. It will never, EVER threaten the lives of gay people. The only people being so butthurt by the power play tropes in BL either are the self-hating ex-fujos who have never read BL besides the mid 00's edgy rape fantasy series or the insecure MLM fakebois who don't pass and developed a complex about it, then started lashing out at fujos.
On a different topic, I know how people were complaining that they wanted a place to discuss yaoi, and some were wanting to download manga or watch ovas and tv shows, and it got me thinking…has no one heard of aarinfantasy? Its been around for years and has thousands of users plus has links for downloads, discussion, etc. Yes you have to sign up with an email but its completely free and has just about every yaoi thing you can think of there.
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Same, I think it's ridiculous to imply that there are any real life repercussions from that trope, but it's terrible writing and boring, and it gets tiring to see people defend it because even the weakest shit will have a ton of fans just because it's mlmI still can't bring myself to hate DoS Obake though
Don't fucking do it anon. You'll thank me for warning you.
Anyway I don't think a lot of BL games have translations available, DmmD has a patch I believe, the only two officially translated ones that I know of are Enzai and Absolute Obedience which are pretty old games and maybe a bit niche in general. Some Nitro+Chiral VNs like Lamento, Sweet Pool and Togainu no Chi are supposedly getting official translations too. If any other anon has recommendations I'm willing to listen too.
Haha I actually watched a HS playthrough 5 years ago, it's fucked up but I love all the characters, they are so sweet and devoted. Ryoji is my husbando forever, Toudou takes number 2.
I played a little bit of dmmd years ago. I'm def going to buy the english release, Noiz is my favourite, Clear is pretty sweet too
Pshhh don't listen to >>21225
Hadaka is the best I love it lmao. Me and my friend just downloaded Seiyuu Danshi, it just came out (its only 30 bucks, you can download the demo for free tho) and so far we really like it. The game is about a voice actor (you) and how youknow he dates people you meet etc. I recommend it so far!
and I just wanted to add on that you actually play a part in the voice actor job! You have to like 'act' the parts correctly to get the jobs. It's a really neat thing and it makes the game really unique.
Rip in pieces anon
Arisato didn’t deserve anything that happened to him.
What kind of name is that? I'm dying!
I'm sold, I hope nty has yummy yaoi scenes. Should I download it on steam or mangagamer?
>>21242>>my crusty ass can't tolerate Ayden bitching about 'straight girls fetishistic homoesexuals' or abusive shipping
Fuck same anon. I missed the days where people didn't give two fucks about shit like this. I don't feel bad or anything when people call me gross/bad person for liking this stuff (esp the 'abusive
shipping') I just feel really annoyed that they preach at me like I asked for their opinion on what I do.
Oh boy I love that one. Sure please do tell me how me liking something that's fictional means I'd actually be okay with it in real life. It's truly the whole 'GTA will make the kids want to do this in real life! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" argument with that one >>21245>> I don't want morals and PC being featured in my yaoi that'll be the day I stop
I whole heartily agree. I don't want no PC ass yaoi, I like my shit that's dark and makes me question my morals lol
30yr old fujoshit here. if there is a discord for non snowflakes and 25+ year olds, I'll definitely join it.
I played both Enzai and Anima Mundi when they first came out.
If you make one, share the link. It’s impossible to find good m/m-especially if you’re into shit like mpreg and omegaverse-without it being flooded with fakebois saying it’s more progressive for the guys to be trans
I don’t want to see kweer trans bois in a healthy relationship, I want to see men rolling around and fucking each other in a display of dominance
>>21274>I don’t want to see kweer trans bois in a healthy relationship
Thank you, anon. I am so sick of hearing people get on their soap box about how fictional relationships "should" be healthy and involve two mutually respectful people who talk out their issues in a constructive way whenever they come up.
Sure, that's good in real life. In fiction it's boring as fuck.
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Gachinko Battle from Mentaiko has to be my favorite,I love how smutty but also funny it is. Also the ending makes me tear up everytime. 10/10.
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I'm a lesbian who just reads a lot of yaoi/slash for no reason at all it seems.
It helped me come to terms with my own homosexuality, but it would have bee more logical to jump on wlw fiction.
But I don't phantasise when I read and I don't touch myself, I'm not even aroused usually, I'm just addicted to slash fiction and it's very stupid thing to be addicted to in my case since I don't get anything out of it outside from a cookie-cutter descriptions of sex between men. Who IRL I find repulsive.
My girlfriend is the same, so we can at least yell about our ships to each other.
My favourite mangaka is Nakamura Asumiko. Her stories are really fucked up and her art is one of the prettiest I've ever seen.
My ultimate favourite of hers is Double Mints. It even remimnded me of my relationship with my girlfriend in some subtle way (there's a really unusual subplot about soulmates). I made her watch the movie and she hated it and described it as "the most abusive fucked-up relationship she had to witness" and was offended I compared us to them lmao.
I really like Ogeretsu Tanaka's mangas anon.
She makes great lewd scenes and her characters have interesting conflicts, most of them.
I specially liked Renai Ruby no Tadashii Furikata and Hadakeru Kaibutsu.
Thank you for the suggestion! I actually read Neon Sign Amber.
After checking this thread I also read everything from >>20692
. Loved it so much. I adore self destructive shit, and ukes that arent completely effeminate and child-like.
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Anyone watched Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation? The anime (donghua? it's Chinese) is cute but the novel has more homo.
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not sure if this exactly fits what you're looking for but check it out because it might and its genuinly great
It's by Setona MIZUSHIRO
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Not exactly "make over" but there's a manga named Aitsu no Daihonmei and a webtoon named Out of Control/Never Understand that have ugly ukes.
Wish there were more stories like this, I'm SO fucking tired of baby faced men in yaoi that act like no man in rl would>>21289
This manga is awesome/sad af, I noticed authors that write both yaoi and shoujo usually come up with the best titles.
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I’ve never felt fujo tendencies until this point but this two made me actually consider to pay for porn fan art.
What in the everloving fuck
Tell us so that we can also appreciate the fan service.
they look like jay and daniel from lookism but idk
are you talking about the characters or cosplayers
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does anyone remember what this is from?? i know i've read it but i can't remember what it's called
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HS is pretty fucked up but I'm thankful that it exists. I love Kakashi and his voice, his va used the same voice for Sakuma. Play HS if you want to hear Kakashi getting fucked and tortured
oh my, if it's angstory! It's been a while.
It was a comic done by a korean dude about a pretty shota trap boy and it was pretty finey but he dropped the project after 2 chapters. I think they posted it on 4chan back in the day but don't really know.
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HOLY SHIT read the latest chapter of Ao No Flag
Things escalated so fast despite waiting monthly for an update
The whole chapter hurt so much.
Why must Touma suffer so much?
For many years Aarinfantasy had a single donor who donated every month without fail to pay for the server, now that he or she is gone Aarinfantasy is at risk of shutting down https://aarinfantasy.com/forum/f12/t199045-save-aarinfantasy-forum.html
Please spread the word
I dropped it months ago but I seriously doubt a gay pairing will ever be canon. It is a shounen manga at its core.
Either nothing will happen or straight pairings most likely.
I think the author is fond of MikaYuu but its very unlikely to ever happen because of the demographic.
Kind of odd but I also liked the idea of Shinoa and Mika.
I need to vent about this and because the vent thread would just result into spergy anons screeching at me about degenerate fujos I'm doing it in our safe space: Browsing social media and the anti-fujo discourse drives me fucking nuts. The archetypal people who do it:
>The MLM fakeboi: he/him pronouns, ♂, rainbow flag, Voltron, BNHA. The 19-year old girl who trooned out and now wants to throw every other female under the bus. Acts like only their love for fujo stuff is valid because they're ~a true gay guy~ who's absolutely not fetishizing homosexuality at all unlike all those evil straight girl fujo strawmen!! Usually dating another fakeboi and calling themselves a "gay male cople".
>The "Not like other girls": Dresses in tacky bodyline shit and $3 Aliexpress cat thigh highs, thinks they're the only girl in the world who likes pedobait yuri porn and solely exists to please men whatever it takes, including hating on fujos. Because yuck that's girl stuff!!! And I'm not like those other vapid girls!!
>The suppressed trauma: Had a horrible experience as a 15-year old fujo with their sociopath friend(s) as a teen, now is trying their hardest to detach themselves from their fujo past and is deadly afraid of lesbians even though that one crazy girl who sexually harassed her is now married to a man and got bored of fujo stuff at least 8 years ago. Associates everything related to BL with horny teenaged AoE fics with noncon&angst tags.
>The outsider: All knowledge of fujos is based on parodies and stereotypes from 2006, uses outdated or ignorant terminology (often calls BL "yaoi" and fujos "yaoi fangirls"), unironically thinks Sasuke/Naruto is considered the hottest couple of 2019 and that the otome genre is the same thing as BL. Believes all BL is about raunchy rape porn between a humorously massive "seme" and an "uke" that looks like a little girl.
>The scrote: The guy who simply hates everything that caters to girls and especially if it shows male characters in a vulnerable position. Often a variation of "the Outsider". Is the type of person to throw an autistic brodude fit over seeing two men kiss. Ironically still might like traps.
Every single person I see complaining about fujos falls under one of these categories. The BL community has grown a lot from what it used to be in the beginning and while porn is still a part of the genre, the characters and plots have developed heaps and there's a much bigger selection to every taste. Yet fujos continue to be shitted on the most. Pisses me the fuck off.
theres a short manga called akiyama-kun that might be of interest to you>>21329
its sad its become such a dirty word now fakebois commenting that 'fujoshis terrify me' 'we are not your fetish!' when actual gay men dont give a fuck, theres a shitton of gay men on /y/ happy that women have created porn and games that appeal to them. sjw teen girls dont know shit.
at least the fakebois will give it up after a while, i do think some of them are legit trans but like most men they need to shit on women to assert their masculinity
most gay men like yaoi or are otherwise indifferent but i've seen a few who really hate women and use yaoi as an excuse. they're usually into rapey barashit and whine about how yaoi men are disgunsting parodies as if rapey hypermasculine bara dudes are any better lmao
>>21329>The outsider: All knowledge of fujos is based on parodies and stereotypes from 2006, uses outdated or ignorant terminology (often calls BL "yaoi" and fujos "yaoi fangirls"), unironically thinks Sasuke/Naruto is considered the hottest couple of 2019 and that the otome genre is the same thing as BL. Believes all BL is about raunchy rape porn between a humorously massive "seme" and an "uke" that looks like a little girl.
Way too many of these retards on lolcow.
But even then, the vitriol seme/uke archetypes attract is fucking excessive. Is it such a crime if women, who have been taught since a young age that being slim, pretty and submissive is necessary if you want to get fucked, can't completely disassociate their taste from that? It's extremely mild internalized misogyny at worst and nobody is really hurt by it. Gay men don't need straight women's approval so I really fucking doubt any of them give a shit about girls wanting hairless bottoms, and straight women get to project the beauty standards they're usually expected to adhere to on men instead of themselves and other women for once. There's no moral highground in wanting to see a big muscley bottom, but not-like-the-other-fujos love to push the 'ewwww feminine boys, only bara is good' bullshit. I really think, subconsciously, they just want to distance themselves from stuff teenage girls like because everyone hates teenage girls. And appease men, since men really hate women not preferring traditional masculinity.
>>21331>some of them are legit trans but like most men they need to shit on women to assert their masculinity
It's literally just that internalized misogyny FTTs are known for in their case. That's why they're usually worse about it than normal men; they do it for their smoke and mirrors masculinity.
also>buying into the trutrans meme
Absolutely true. I'm a fan of polar opposites and size differences because that just makes following the couple's development and interaction interesting, a lot of people have the same taste. But as you said the hatred the whole seme/uke setting gets is amplified to ridiculous levels.
>There's no moral highground in wanting to see a big muscley bottom, but not-like-the-other-fujos love to push the 'ewwww feminine boys, only bara is good' bullshit.
Glad I'm not the only one who's done with this particular meme. The people who can't shut up about how much they love bara and how it's superior to every other style of BL can get so fucking smug about it. Your hairy fridge build bear daddies with giant dicks aren't much more realistic than the effeminate bottoms in mainstream BL, stop acting like it makes your taste more mature. >>21333>When they act like their 17 years of socialization and maturing as a member of female gender is somehow discarded the moment they change their pronouns on Twitter and cut their hair short
I feel bad for them for falling for it but shit their internalized misogyny became externalized misogyny with the retarded "anti-fujo" movement.
So A Man/Guy Like You has finally ended.
I'll link it here for anyone who hasn't read it, it's pretty good and I especially loved the expressions and the coloring.https://manganelo.com/chapter/a_man_like_you/chapter_0
I'm satisfied to finally see the end. Gonna be jealous of any new readers because they'll never know the torture of waiting for each new chapter lol
idk anon, as much as fanfics are still a thing I think its dying… this is just from a fanfic reader veteran-ish and I'm a bit paranoid.
Idk if it possible for fanfic writers to post their shit in instagram or twitter… try wordpress or go back to fanfiction.net if the game is really old or smth…
idk, anon… haha, I'm just overthinking things if there's something addictive to a certain group there's going to be a fanfic for it anyways.
I feel old. God, I really do.
I remember the time where there used to be an abundance or influx of cosplay skit vids on Youtube that I'd always watch practically every day. New ones coming daily. Now… wew, I can it happens but majority are vids of cosplay panels or con vlogs.
Fanfics used to be big back then but it mellows down with its hype, I guess that's how I see it and then I dramatize the situation to think it was dying. But I understand I think, while everyone has a wild imagination doesn't automatically mean they'd draw or write it down. Not everyone has the talent to do anyways.
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This tweet made it to my TL, thankfully while being made fun of, not agreed with. The OP herself is big into BL but for some reason she has this "I'm better than other fujos" mindset, and she's not alone with this narrative. It's starting to piss me off really bad seeing fellow women punching these strawmen of "evil straight chicks fetishizing muh gays (i.e. girls who trooned out and masquerade as gay men)" when they full well know that a lot of fujoshis are lesbian or bi, or at least openly supportive of gay rights. Where the hell did this fucking discourse start from? The tranny movement and its internalized misogyny again?
>>24314>>Being fujoshi is not something to be proud of
excuse me I'll be proud of whatever I want lmao.>>Having mlm ships is one thing representation does matter.
NO ONE and I do sincerely mean NO ONE goes to the smut section of yaoi for the representation of real life gay people. Shounen Ai is more on the tame side so I can see how some underage girl would look at that and be like ok I wanna see this irl!!!111 but straight up balls to the wall yaoi? Hell no. There's retarded people in every community and I feel like just because some people harass actual gay people irl doesn't mean all of do. Even when I was underage I never bothered literally anyone. If anything I kept it very secret unless I was sure the person I was talking to was also a fujo. If you read the shit at home and only talk about it online with your own community it literally does not hurt the LGBT community literally /at all/. Only when the retarded girls go out IRL and harass people is when it takes a huge retarded turn. Simply keeping to yourself hurts no one. I have no idea why this new wave of fujo hate is coming back in full force. We didn't care about what you thought all those years ago and we sure as hell don't care now.
>>24373>I have no idea why this new wave of fujo hate is coming back in full force.
I'm not sure how to explain it with coherent words but I'll try my best. Like mentioned in >>24314
once all the histrionic underage fangirls started trooning out they decided to make it all about them and chase the sane women out of the fandom, so it's just another evolution of ree staceys get out spiel. I recently saw a tweet that actually said something along the lines of "Fujoshi is a straight woman who fetishizes gay men, people who actually appreciate fictional gay relationships are not fujoshi" which is all the condensed proof you need. In reality, these "mlm activists" are just fujos to everyone not christened to their stupid buzzwords and every time they get called one, you can see how the word "fujo" is just supposed to be read as "woman". See this post from the fakeboi thread for a practical example >>>/snow/795328
I have literally never met a cis gay man who claimed fujos are ~oppressing~ them. I've had them being massive thirsty fudanshis (male fujos) and pushing degenerate, kinky BL on me, a lesbian fujoshi though. The only people being butthurt are the "transmen in a gay relationship" i.e. two lesbians with heaps of internalized misogyny&lesbophobia and their equally retarded handmaidens. >>24442
I think the "fujos harassing actual gay people" meme originates from the hearsay stereotype of 2005 straight fujos going up to gay guys and being "awww which one is the seme??? :3333" which is obnoxious and socially inept but far from harassment. They're a very small minority and being an oldfag I can confirm that it's ALWAYS been looked down upon in the BL/yaoi community for being absolute brainlet behavior.
Question: Do you seriously see the men in BL as actual
men and not strongly female-coded people with male bodies? Yeah, me neither. Back in 2000's it used to be a big meme that the men in yaoi are just chicks with dicks. And even without that, you can appreciate the aesthetics of the porn and the well-written sentimental relationships and development the characters share. A lot of gay guys can enjoy lesbian porn, especially animated lesbian porn, despite not being attracted to women because it's often made for male taste. Just like BL is usually made for women by women, and a noticeable share of BL mangakas are bi/lesbian.
>>24498>Do you seriously see the men in BL as actual men and not strongly female-coded people with male bodies?
Question: why would a woman go through the trouble of writing and drawing a gay male couple as a stand-in for a lesbian couple instead of just…portraying a lesbian couple?
Is it some insane level of internalized lesbophobia or what?
>>24514>the "Lesbians must find beautiful 2D men repulsive because they don't want to have sex with IRL men or find them attractive!!!!" meme
Gee I dunno, maybe the popularity of BL within lesbians is that the BL community is 99% women which is why they're drawn to it, they like to read porn with no expectations placed on female characters and they can appreciate the porn made by fellow women? Not everyone wants to self insert into the porn they consume, some people find it awkward and disturbing.
A lot of BL isn't even porn-centric, it's just two males having a meaningful relationship. A lesbian can appreciate well-written straight couples or straight porn too despite there being a male involved. It's not fucking rocket science and I don't know why you guys think it's self-contradictory. Why do so many straight women search up lesbian porn the most despite being attracted to exclusively males?
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I didn't say that people of different sexual orientations/sexes can't find stories about people with other kinds of orientations/sex interesting or relatable.
However, you implied in >>24498
that the men in BL are meant to be stand-ins for women.
And I do suspect some closeted lesbians prefer drawing BL because it's popular, while yuri and lesbianism are less so and more shunned.
More and more good yuri is coming out, though.
The online comic scene and Korean manhwa scene, in particular, are exploding with interesting works about female characters in general, which is excellent.
I did definitely notice a yaoi=good, yuri=gross mentality in past fangirl/art circles I have been in.
But do you also think some potentional female yuri artists choose to drawn "chicks with dicks" BL instead of yuri in order to avoid men perving over their work?
Yeah, I absolutely do. Any yuri that includes sex will inevitably attract way more perv males than women. That plus what >>24568
said is why lesbians usually prefer BL.
It's sad. I'm glad there are still good female yuri artists out there, doing the goddess' work heh.
Men need to fuck off, women should be able to enjoy FxF content and not have to resort to yaoi (unless it's what you actually really want…)
Honestly I thought Hitorijime My Hero was pretty nice and tame. It's student and teacher relationship though, not sure if you're into that. But it's really nice and there's no sex scenes. Though I will say some of the animation is a bit wonky so expect that. The manga is pretty good as well, I recommend you read that as well.>>Gravitation
I'm sure everyone and their grandma has seen this but it's pretty nice. its such 2000 humor, tbh even if you aren't into BL I think you can still enjoy it.>> Sekai-ichi Hatsukoi
Again I'm sure everyone in their grandma has seen this as well but wouldn't hurt to put it>> Caramel Honey
u-uh I wouldn't say its totally fanservice-y but its pretty lighthearted and well there is a storyline its just kinda cliche (delinquent x shy student)>>Itou-San
Er I don't think it's really classifies as shounen ai but it's a very good drama.>>Hidoku Shinaide
EHHHH WELLLL I wouldn't EXACTLY say this is a shounen ai nor story based PER-SEY but.. I wasn't going to make a list and no include it lmao
God I fucking hate how preachy gays are to fujoshi. Most fujos are just young women/teenage girls who think anime boys are cute. Then they get guilted into feeling bad about it. Honestly it's actually downright creepy just how hawkish some of these ADULT gay men are about women consuming 2d porn. And of course, desperate for validation, some girls start to cause drama and infighting.
And that's probably the majority of BL content I see online is teeming with identity politics bullshit. I wish I could go back to like 2009 where the community was more pure and honest. Where fujos actually believed in their ships because of love, not because of "representation" or whatever the fuck.
Also why is it now shameful for straight women to enjoy BL?
Love Stage's art is only mildly bad, the details aren't horrendous, the color palette for that show is what irks me. If it had a more muted color palette and softened details, it would look better.
Sekaiichi and Junjou are worse from an artistic standpoint, much worse. I don't know how anybody can stomach watching either of them, they're hideous.
I'm not even a bl fan but I go through different threads when I get bored. Imo as long as you don't fetishize real gay people or display any other cringey, problematic
behavior that makes them uncomfortable, I don't get all the hate.
Lesbian porn with real
women is made specifically for men and their fantasies yet no one cries about that.
It's always the easier choice to shame girls and women and target the things they enjoy isn't it
I don't know, in terms of BL quality I found the story and dynamic between the couples to be too subpar for me to even come close to forgiving the art. That's why I dropped both series.
Luckily, there are some more recent animanga series that don't totally pitfall into the physically repulsive junjou trap.
I ship gay couples. I have nothing against people being interested in gay porn.
But I don't get making it a big focus of your media consumption, both fujos and yurifags, enough that it requires a label. I agree that it's unfair that the western anime fandom only calls out fujoshi and has no "polite" term for yurifags, but if you don't have a fetish for exclusively gay people of the opposite sex and think gay couples are normal then there's no need for a specific title?
>>25099>Why do star trek fans call themselves Trekkies?
Homosexual men are a hobby and fandom?>Why do anthropomorphic animal enthusiasts call themselves furries?
What a lovely example. >Why do people interested in Japanese animation and popular culture call themselves weebs?
Do you even know what the word weaboo means? >creeps praying on women
What are you even talking about?
And read my post again, I'm not against people who enjoy shipping male characters or enjoying that kinda porn, I'm talking about those that make it their whole personality and subject of their art. It's just as much of a fetish as a guy making all of his content about sexualized young women or lesbian couples.
And this is a problem why?
Its still a genre, “fetish” or not