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>what is transwashing
Transwashing is when a character is forcefully made into trans, even if they're just gnc, homosexual, or crossdressing. When a character dresses or behaves in a way outside of the gender stereotype associated with their biological sex, oftentimes fandoms (and, even the creators themselves to appear "woke") start percieving them as trans. And, sometimes, even if those characters don't have "any sign of being trans", some people's headcannons becomes too out of control and fall into the gender ideology. This unfortunately happens to real people too.
Post those characters, discuss why they're transwashed, and vent if you want to. Please don't infight and ignore any shitty bait.
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is this thread dead
guilty gear already has two troons too many. besides isn’t it gay erasure or whatever to make venom a straight woman? kek
At first I thought it was weird they'd pick Venom but I guess his taste in men is relatable to fakebois kek
The weird obsession over fictional character genitals is getting so creepy though.
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Hunter from the Owl House gets hc'd as trans a lot for some reason
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gross. hate it. jolyne is my fave jojo and she is gorgeous. ugly themlets/aidens cant handle pretty girls.
nta but how's it misogynistic? maybe I'm dense but I don't see how aside from the rare coomer/fanservice moments with female characters
is there something else I'm missing?
I want ora ora ora this abomination.>>236472
Yep, she is fucking gorgeous.
Early jojo times a girl who watched anime was pickme behavior
I don't make the rules I just lived through it nonna
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can we stop the jojo derail sperg already
i think jenny was already discussed in the last thread but i wasn’t aware that the shitty ewan mcgregor robot had enough fan presence for troon headcanons
>>236688>The fact that they're both trans
I hate this shit genderspecials do where they just state something like this with absolutely no context and you're supposed to immediately get it somehow
It's like they just state any character is a troon just because they exist regardless of whether they're male or female or gender non-conforming or not. I'm sick and tired of it. What if they're just male and female and there's no gender shit involved? Wouldn't that be easier and less exhausting to keep track of?
>>236179>Venom>Has a vagina.
Oh fuck off. I'm gonna guess this retard who posted that is not a Guilty Gear veteran if he seriously doesn't know that venom IS a man and a gay man at that. Yes it would be gay erasure if they changed Venom into a woman. >>236209
I feel like the reason why this happens so much these days is because ohof porn-obsessed people have been in the last 2 decades. Rule 34 especially, I'm sure it has given porn brain-rot to people to where they think about a fictional characters genitals. >>236447
I agree with you. I took one look at Owl House and knew it was gonna pull some gendertard bullshit and low and behold, majority of the fanbase are these gender nutters. So honestly they can have that shit, it was made to cater to them clearly. >>236566
Something something tRaNsPhObIc. REEEE. Kek
I won't rewatch that dogshit moid show just to give a comprehensive list of all the misogynistic moments but nearly every woman in that show is there to be beaten, humiliated or just plain useless. They never have personalities and aren't even allowed to be boring poorly written sidecharacters, most of the time they just make cameos to get humiliated by the scrotastic cast and then it's over.
Jolyne got to have a part of her own but that faggot Araki still had to make her misogynistic daddy tag along and make it all about him again. I know it just sounds like im describing regular anime misogyny, but imo it really is much worse in Jojo. I mean, there's literally a serial killer character that gets turned on from committing femicide, chopping women's hands off and using them to wipe his ass. Characters will randomly have unnecessary backstories where they killed and dismembered their ex gfs like with Anasui. Random scenes of women getting beaten or raped as a backstory or during exposition. It's really fucking vile and to top it all of this constantly gets recommended when people ask for anime with less misogyny just because there's some fags with boob windows kek. Honestly, just stick to watching regular yaoi. It'll have a better plot anyway.>>236645
None of those anons are me but women definitely just like this show because it's endless yaoi and they ignore all the shit plot and the shit characters by just making their own headcanons. Seriously, the fanon version of these characters and the show in general makes it seem actually tolerable.
Tbh the Owl House’s lore seemed interesting for a kid’s show but the artstyle was a red flag. Glad to see I was proved right.>>236976
I don’t want to derail this thread again but did you even watch JJBA? Yes it can be misogynistic but not exploitive as other genre staples like Berserk.
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How can robots be trans if they're sexless? We only "assign" genders to robots as a sort of personification. The concept of gender is a human construct, so if an entity has no sex traits, its "gender" is just us attributing female characteristics to it.
An episode of Whatever Happened to Robot Jones tackled this whole concept 20 years ago. While Jones is called "he," as a robot he's not subject to sex stereotypes, so the girls and boys fight over who gets to claim him as their own. In the end, he basically arrives at the conclusion that he doesn't need to fit into human gender stereotypes.
I guess I can kind of understand why troons identify with Jenny. They're perverts obsessed with teenage girls, for one, and Jenny is a "manufactured girl." But the show is about how being a robot makes Jenny an outcast, and how she learns to embrace the thing that makes her different. That's not an experience unique to the LGBT. Kids are "othered" for many reasons, including disabilities, income, culture, religion, race, etc. Self-acceptence in the face of bullying is an extremely common theme for a kids' show to have.
One of my favourite scenes in the series is when Dio forcibly kisses Erina and when she falls down and starts washing her mouth with dirt water to humiliate Dio in front of his friends. It was so rare to see female characters get back at their assaulters, especially in 80s when phantom blood was released. And it was cleverly done too. She got beaten for it but never backed down and stayed the logical and collected person in the scene while Dio got emotional and started to moid rage. I love it. Jojo has bunch of shit writing and this is very well understood by most fans. But gems like that is why people love the series. >>236452
Western jojofags are cancer, but i find it curious that almost all of the tranny headcanon fans always gravitate towards latter parts. Parts 1-2 especially i remember clearly never having this problem. I guess when jojo became a meme the wokies also found the series along with men kek. I really miss the early fujo and yume days.
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>>236965>I feel like the reason why this happens so much these days is because ohof porn-obsessed people have been in the last 2 decades. Rule 34 especially, I'm sure it has given porn brain-rot to people to where they think about a fictional characters genitals.
Sage for slight derail, but I think you're right. Don't get me wrong, I love fanart smut as long as it's with adults and consensual and kept far away from people who aren't into that, but rule 34 went from being an observation to an actual rule people try to enforce. It gets kind of sickening how people literally race
each other to be the first to draw porn of something, even if the media isn't released yet. A lot of moids and pickme women who do it treat it like a form of "territory marking".
And I think it ties into the trans thing, since a decade ago I had (former) fandom friends who were borderline porn addicts and would get *bored by seeing "normal" bodies. Seeing a female character with a vagina or a male with a penis got less novel, but switching it up was new and interesting. I used to not care about it since it's fiction, but instead of just seen as a genital swapping kink it's treated as some biological identity.
Yeah, that's why I see it as a form of "territory marking", I know every time there's a new Pokemon or some other series (which has grosser implications since it's a kid's media) people race to "be the first", and even drawing something gross and half-assed is seen as "winning".
I think a lot of it is gross and shocking too, but whenever I try to search for normal fanart of my favorites, I usually see the porn stuff and trans shit at the same times, and sometimes it's said to be commissioned. So some people do like it, but they tend to have low standards due to being addicted and wanting something shiny and new to fap to and move on from.
I used to be a huge jojofag and still like some things about it, but you're right. Jojo fans admit that it has absolutely shit writing, but it's hard for them to admit that it has a lot of sexist tropes as well. Also Araki is just obsessed with putting weird sexual references in the story.>>237252>i find it curious that almost all of the tranny headcanon fans always gravitate towards latter parts. Parts 1-2 especially i remember clearly never having this problem.
Probably because they're the least popular parts (out of the ones with anime adaptations at least) and are more in line with conventional shounen manga of the era so it wasn't as ""queer"" as later parts.
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Not even Fnaf is safe.
nta, not that particular art itself but rather that that character is constantly troonified, iirc even the creator sort of confirmed him as nonbinary at some point?>>238565
i've had the misfortune to find both futa and cuntboy fetish porn but at least everyone acknowledges it as non-canon fetish porn instead of insisting the characters are actual trannies
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I love the plankton colony girl but big chunk of fandom now of course considers her a NB themlet despite her using a feminine pronoun. I'm sure we owe it a lot to netflix translation team for insisting to use "they" every time someone refers to her.
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The custom she is calling kweer uwu is incest btw
It's one of the OG zoomer trans fandom. I have a younger sister and her friends on Discord were autistic girls into stuff like FNAF and Youtubers and most of them became TIFs in one way or another.>>238565
Not really. It's mostly a western thing pushed by bored white people (and bored middle class POC
- I have never met a poor POC
who cared about this shit). There are some "genderless" characters in anime and games but it's usually used as a synonym for androgyny. "X-gender" is the equivalent on nonbinary and there's one mangaka (a woman, of course) who identifies as it but it isn't really mainstream.
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This one's next level, because they're not just making everybody trans and black, they're also insinuating that their headcanon is "correct" and that the fucking source material they're making fanart of is whitewashing. Unreal. And of course everybody in the notes is jerking themselves off about how woke and enlightened this is. How??? It's literally just a retarded teenager virtue signalling about how her headcanons are ~real~ and the fucking author's interpretation of his own goddamn characters is whitewashing.
I hate the Homestuck fandom. It's 70% to blame for the trend of fanart turning into a competition to see who can have the wokest headcanons. I saw that garbage in the homestuck fandom long before I saw it anywhere else. Fuck Hussie for enabling this nonsense with his "aracial" crap. No content creator should ever capitulate to the demands of wokescolds, because they'll call you a bigot and insult your art regardless of how much you cater to them.
Having headcanons is one thing. Insisting that your headcanons are canon and screeching at everyone who disagrees is fucking mental illness. I've seen people get shit for drawing John as a boy and for drawing the kids white as if those interpretations are less legitimate than having everyone be trans and black. Apparently headcanons are just a platform for virtue-signalling now, and not just something people do for fun. You must demonstrate your moral purity by posting diverse fanart, or face the judgement of losers on Twitter.
She is multiple planktons, so I'd get it if people who knew that referred to her as "they," even though I'd know it's still NB pandering. But it's completely immersion breaking when a random-ass villain who knows nothing about her refers to this obviously female person as "they".
Like sorry, prisoners and prison guards that have been magically enraged and are actively attempting to beat everyone they see to death
are not going to correctly assume and respect your pronouns.
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I hope the next DLC character is a TERF
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Indeed this sucks balls. Why can't Bridget just be an effeminate guy like he always was? I hate how much they're bowing to the troons for money, essentially. I'm a really hardcore GG fan too, have lots of merch/doujins and this really saddens me.
Honestly for once I'm glad my son Bedman is kill because now they can't troon him out for being a manlet with pink accents.
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I’m sorry, nonnie
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porn addict-on-porn addict violence
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the hideous new protag looks more like the french/american flag but alright
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I live in constant fear that they're going to put my boy Remy in a new street fighter game and troon him out like they did to Testament
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Nah, Capcom isn’t into tranny pandering (Poison’s only a man in the NA localization) Remy trooning out would make sense since he’s an incest freak
Kek I wonder if they’ll make ABA an FtM since she’s grimy with chest bandages and stitches
It's not a bad concept, but they don't use it to explore anything beyond their faggoty Tumblr headcanons, so it's wasted. I've seen fanworks that explore the same idea with way more nuance and creativity than just "what if Homestuck was unreliably narrated and all the characters were actually trans, kweer, black and disabled uwu."
If you're impressed by that, it's a reflection of how anaemic your own literary diet is. A lot of these tards couldn't even be assed to actually read Homestuck, so it doesn't shock me that they haven't read any actual books that tackle the issue of how idolization distorts the identities of those subject to it, or how real people are falsely mythologized.
I'm not a huge SF fan but I remember my brother having Street Fighter 3rd Strike and I played a little of it and I thought Remy was so cool looking. I get your fear anon because he's one of the most prominent feminine looking characters in the series and I can see them trooning him out for woke points. >>239401>Remy = Incest
Wat? lol For real??
>ABA trooning as an FTM
I can see this happening unfortunately. The FTM troons and enbies more than likely don't know about this character, she hasn't been in any of the games during the 2010s era so those freakshows are more than likely not aware she exists (yet…) and I fear that once she makes her return, they'll be all over her. I mean that's what happened with Testament because before he came back in Strive, none of these gender tards knew he existed and then as soon as he comes back after a 10+ year hiatus, they swooped in.
You're not alone anon, you're among fellow fans here who totally feel you on this. It's fucking awful how these gender tards put so much stock into what a person wears thinking that if one is gender nonconforming, they are automatically tRaNs or nOnBiNaRy, it's fucking regressive bullshit.
Just know that you're not alone in this frustration and that most of us remember that Bridget was a boy and fuck this, he's still a man now just like Testament. Because transgenderism is not real. We know it, the devs know it, and even the nutters themselves know it.
Nah, she's a girl so they'll just give her more cleavage and change her face.
I'm surprised TIFs aren't latching onto Sin actually, or even Zappa>>239449
The thing is, since they have no problem making sudden design changes out of nowhere, they could have redesigned him to be more like an actual effeminate boy and not over-sexualized pedobait, but they just made him worse
I'll only forgive this if he detransitions in the next game or DLC. (AKA not likely but it would be funny as a troll move)>>239369
Western FE fans were going to do it regardless, but red/white/blue isn't even the "trans colors", she looks like a Pepsi gijinka.>>239401
Poison was always a transwoman, but the JP/NA version flip-flops on getting the dick chop surgery or not. Ironically, Posion is a more realistic portrayal since they're a prostitute and appear to only be into men, which is most transwomen in non-western countries.
This. Bridget may have been a tad sexualized, there's not doubt about it but it's not different than the usual sexualized female characters in media who happen to have interesting backstories like Ivy from Soul Calibur. Sexualized to hell character she is but her backstory is actually interesting despite the coom-fueled design. In X-2 which was Bridget's debut, his whole premise was trying to find self-acceptance for himself as a man on his terms and it was interesting. So to see them actually troon him out defeated the whole purpose of what his character was about and that's what's upsetting.
And some of us were just naively expecting better from devs to not make such stupid changes.
>>239121>"He tried to live as a man
How do you "live as a man"? See this is part of why troon ideology is so retarded because it's built on stereotypes.
>"courageous choice by staying true to HIS own feelings
Yeah except he didn't do that. If he "stayed true" to his own feelings, he wouldn't have trooned out and continued to own that he is a man, just a different kind of man. >>239559>Poison was always a transwoman, but the JP/NA version flip-flops on getting the dick chop surgery or not. Ironically, Posion is a more realistic portrayal since they're a prostitute and appear to only be into men, which is most transwomen in non-western countries.
Just call his what he is anon, he's a man regardless if he got the penis inversion kek.
Anyway I think the confusion also comes from how the developers intended him to be a woman at first but changed it because at the time it would've seen as bad to put a woman in a fighting game as it coul be misconstrued as violence against women or something like that. So they just went with the troon option so it would be seen as less offensive. In a way it's funny because reading between the line, by their logic that just reinforces that Poison is a man kek.
And I agree with you that he's a great representation of troons. Prostitute and ridiculously sexualized outfit that no sane woman would ever wear while making all kinds of sexual innuendos from time to time, he's perfect for them.
AYRT I'm just not comfortable using he or she. It's a fictional character, It's not like I'm going to get screamed at by a dyed hair NEET on Twitter for "misgendering", and I don't think surgery changes sex anyway.
>Anyway I think the confusion also comes from how the developers intended him to be a woman at first but changed it because at the time it would've seen as bad to put a woman in a fighting game as it coul be misconstrued as violence against women or something like that. So they just went with the troon option so it would be seen as less offensive. In a way it's funny because reading between the line, by their logic that just reinforces that Poison is a man kek.
I do think the story behind Poison is funny, because it was an American playtester that said that having a videogame with female enemies that you could punch (Final Fight was a beat-em-up) would offend feminists, and the Japanese devs responded that it's fine because they're not women, they're transvestites. (Although I think Poison's friend Roxy who is a palette swap is an actual woman, but she gets transed by association) It's funny how a lot of this stuff is Western-centric. Obviously "wokeness" exists in other countries but if you try to talk about the trans topic to someone not from here they'll think you mean gay crossdressers and not straight people trying to be gay.
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A few days ago twitter was having a spergout on shiver’s gender. She was confirmed female by nintendo of america (she uses both masculine and feminine forms of address in japan). Of course this led to accusations of transphobia and censorship.
Anything that isn't hyperfeminine is considered "trans" or "non-binary" by gendies.
And yes, that's just sarashi, plenty of Japanese characters wear it and it's not some gender thing.
This is a great example of anglophones not understanding Japanese. While some words, like "boku" and "ore" have masculine connotations, they're not exclusive to one gender or the other the way pronouns are in English. "Boku" is used by tomboyish women and women working in male dominated settings (some female politicians use boku for instance.) Watashi is typically used by women, but also by either gender when trying to be humble or polite.
It's obviously a female character. Let's not apply American gender-woo to a completely different language and culture.
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I don't know if there's an specific way to truly nullify it, but if it works as a comfort I don't expect the whole troon movement to make it farther than a few years from now. That's kinda what helps me with the fear of getting my own characters transwashed; the current support trannies are getting will die down more sooner than later but right now it's just a momentary issue.
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i'm surprised she wasn't posted yet
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they sure do. well he never literally got to become a biological father but he has indeed successfully impregnated at least one woman.
female characters who have literally been pregnant on screen get transwashed too, go figure.
I'm also creating my own series and I plan on only ever mentioning "sex" instead of "gender" (in character profiles and such) to signal that I don't agree with troon shit. If I feel particularly chaotic when I write the final script I might make one of my characters make an offhand gender critical comment, though I worry that might just embolden gendies to transwash my characters just to spite me.
If my series becomes popular with the Twitter/Tumblr crowd they will definitely transwash one of my characters who is the "literally me" kind of soft boy that AAP Aidens try to be (and that's my type unfortunately). Even if I stated publicly that he's a biological male and not trans they will do whatever they want with him. So I can just pray for a bigger normal, sane female audience than a TIF audience so the tranny shit is easily avoidable.
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And people still headcanon him as trans even in the comments kek
You can't really avoid it. Making only characters that stick to strict gender norms or making your work less accessible to potential fans isn't worth it, you'll just end up dumbing down your work or getting less recognition than you deserve. Troon headcanons are basically an extension of rule 34 at this point. Every other creator with a decent fanbase has to deal with people who will draw or write weird shit about their characters. Just keep the distance and don't engage with them. Tranny pandering is bound to age poorly.
Also I think we need more good, complex GNC characters that aren't huge stereotypes or kids. We need to make it sound like a cooler club than the pronons clique.
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Any character with blue and pink color scheme
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Trixie from mlp gets transwashed all the time, reason being cuz the creator said in concept art she was designed to be a stallion at first and that later changed, plus one time the creator was shitposting on Twitter saying one character from season 1 was trans. Also troons like to say the eyes and horn she had in the first few seasons were closer to the stallion flash puppets than the mare ones, which is funny cuz apparently their evidence is that she doesn't pass kek, tho Trixie would be a great trans representation seeing as:>she's full of herself and super arrogant>doesn't really have a real job>she tried to kill herself one time>>241689
It's a shame, it's a cute colour scheme but it's been ruined for me because of that ugly flag.
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the trans season 1 character is probably this abomination kek
>>241678>Also I think we need more good, complex GNC characters that aren't huge stereotypes or kids. We need to make it sound like a cooler club than the pronons clique.
you make a great point. perhaps the best way to avoid tranny headcanons is not to bash them, but to make the characters clearly comfortable with their biological sex and proud of being GNC. the trannies might even accuse each other of being homophobic or disrespecting the characters' identity for transing them against their will kek>>241689
since the troon flag colors were actually taken from pedophile symbols it's even worse when those characters are "claimed" by trannies
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Dylan Fuentes from Dead Rising 3, he's supposed to be an insane sexual sadistic pervert
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i'm going to puke
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Well see when you're a real finest metalheads enjoyer like me this show is an absolute delight. Come on look at this eye candy !
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Not that mad about this one because I hate this character but the amount of people I've seen calling her a she/they
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Same with Toki though
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He’s a manlet in conflit whit his parents and also this joke was happen
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Fuck Anthony Burch for real
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can't you people just be normal about things
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why do so many agps project onto alisaie and aidens project onto alphinaud??? sus cause they’re supposed to be children.
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Saw someone say that Louise belcher is “trans coded” whatever the fuck that means. I love her character since I was a tomboy growing up. Still kind of am! I relate to her so much from childhood.
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From what I've observed, men definitely get transed more though women are catching up in recent years. It's mainly because there is hardly any out and proud feminine men in the real world who are confident enough to tell people off who try to trans them. The only person who sorta did this was the late Pete Burns (The "You Spin me Right Round" guy). He was very androgynous in the 80s and he stayed that way till he died looking even more feminine as time went on and despite the horrible plastic surgery, he never called himself trans.
But besides him I mean.. Can you think of any men like him who are not calling themselves trans or enbie? Exactly.
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The photos are tiny but this is effectively a common transwashed character list in the same vein as that bracket with Reigen that was popular on Twitter recently.
Is that starscream? I s2g if it is I have an inside joke that just became a looooot
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Apparently if a man is feminine, it means he either has a vagina or wants one. That blatant reinforcement of outdated gender stereotypes is considered "liberal" now. Fucking horseshoe theory.
At least they're not going after Kurama, because they're all retarded zoomers who ignore any old anime that isn't NGE or Sailor Moon.>>243609
She's a fucking dog, too. Like not anthro at all, just a somewhat smart dog. Do they think regular ass animals can be trans?
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It's not that far fetched, I guess.
Lmao, that's literally what I initially typed. I originally phrased it as "In fandoms with a lot of autistic people, the male characters most popular with women tend to get trooned," but I changed it to Aidens because I didn't want to imply that all autistic women headcanon their husbandos as trans. In reality, trans headcanons are a very niche thing that only get a lot of attention because of how loud and terminally online troons are.
In fact, if you're a fan of something that's sufficiently "problematic
" or un-trendy, you'll see very few Aidens shitting up the fanart tags, if any at all. I've yet to see any zippertit fanart of Vampire Chronicles, for instance (though I'm sure it exists.)
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the debate about his gender is headache-inducing
They were 16 at the start of ARR, and "roughly" a year has passed, with the two of them mentally having been 2 years in the First.
I also wanna say that I knew girls who got massive breasts at 11, so that doesn't really indicate age.
What's the inside joke nonnie
I think it's literally just>I think am trans>I like this character>therefore, I want this character to be trans too
They have to slap the trans label onto everything they like or every character they somewhat relate to or selfinsert into because they cannot relate to non-trannies.>>243608
Starscream is headcanoned as transtransformer by a good bunch of his fans, sadly. They believe him to be Megatron's battered housewife and project their shit into him so he must be trans.
Sadly recently I realised that another one of my favs is randomly seen as trans by some. The bad thing is that it's a bot version from IDW who is rarely ever getting any fics at all and now half or more of them are then written by a person that calls him "they". Besides of the transwashing itself I simply get annoyed seeing that pronoun in a story. It's confusing and annoying. It's something else if you say it because you don't know the gender of some twitter user you talk about, but it's grating as shit in a fanfic.
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I got into WHA atelier and I swear to god a good 50% of the fics is trans shit. I'm not sure. It's because they are both slender, non masculine men?
Spoiler for disgusting NFSW shit but that's the stuff I found out on AO3 when looking for this
I don't know why but most of the art I find for them is western and very terrible.
I can't wait for the anime to air and Japanese or normal western fans to get into it and draw them properly. Think one of the latest chapters even had canon gay guys, I don't want one of the few series with proper fujo bait characters to be invaded by ID tumblr.
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So far there are zero trannies in the manga>>244320>>244318
For some reason this series attracted a lot of tumblr type who can black and trans washing some characters despite them being white as sheet.
what do you expect from the average persona fan nonny
? to be clear im a fan too but it's not like the games are doing themselves any favours to dispel this shit lmao. can't wait for the specific brand of autism that comes from people who have only played p5 going on to play the other games in the series
I find the waifufags easier to ignore. They're annoying but they just mind their own business most of the time nowadays. At worse they'll post their opinion about Yu being a slut or Adachi was based but even then you have to look for it nowadays. Meanwhile the aidens and trannies don't play the game, read badly written TVTropes pages or AO3 fanfic made by autists, are shocked that the game isn't like their theories and fics, and then whine when Rin isn't a tranny like them in Catherine Fullbody but a cute looking self-aware gay man
and they post everywhere all the time.
Im not from the US and fans are like that over here too, the whole tranny thing arrived later but it's going strong. Maybe because lots of them speak in english on social media you didnt notice they werent from the us, but I follow people from my country and they still argue about it. Maybe theyre a little more chill, but unfortunately all the US trash eventually reaches the rest of the world.
Luckily japanese fans are normal, 90% of my persona follows are jp artists. I follow this one woman who adores naoto & she cosplays as her and draws her almost daily, I love her energy. She made a poll the other day about the sex of her followers & got excited there were other women following her too, it was cute to watch.
It's the natural next step from randomly claiming a character is trans as if it were a fact, without any evidence or even without explaining the reasoning behind it.>People will draw them normally but just say "she" or call them lesbians while shipping two male characters
I think that's extremely fucked up tbh. It's like a reflection of what's going on in their real world, where men are just claiming to be the opposite gender to force themselves into women's spaces or onto women (like calling themselves lesbians) and girls are rejecting womanhood and mutilating their bodies because they don't like to perform femininity. It's ok to feel outraged at that sort of gender bullshit anon.
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Buttercup headcanoned as growing up to become an aiden is one of the most common and also infuriating transwashings IMO.
A headcanon was always when you had an idea about a character, story or setting that's not canon but that doesn't contradict the character, story or setting. Nowadays you're right, there's a shift, it's all about gender, sex or race and almost everything that's posted directly contradicts what's going on or even the message of the story.>>246322
Since you're talking about Persona, I'd say an actual headcanon would be if you think Yosuke is bi and into Yu because it's not canon but was going to be and the hints are still there, something retarded would be thinking that Naoto is a fakeboi when her arc ends with Naoto saying to herself YWNBAM and saying that sexism and workplace discrimination is bad. You must see some crazy shit everyday because of your account kek.
Headcanons in fandom have gotten lazy as fuck these days, but not only that, it also seems like zoomers have completely changed the meaning of "headcanon", because it used to be pretty clear that a headcanon is a small idea you have about a character that does not clash with what's canon, and basically just fills in the blanks left by the author, like what's their favorite ice cream flavor or what their previous relationships were like. you know, things that are usually not known by the audience. but now headcanon basically means "my own version of this character" which is changing them completely or changing some big part of their identity from what's already canon to what you would like them to be.
for example you can imagine what majima's dick looks like, that's a headcanon. but having a "trans headcanon" about him being a tif is incompatible with what's already established, that he impregnated a woman, so that's not a headcanon, at that point you're changing the character, not adding to what we know about him. And some genderspecials don't even call it a headcanon, they just state it as a fact. they're fucking delusional
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Cream Unicorn Cookie has been a male character since he first showed up in OvenBreak, but in his Kingdom debut he was turn into a they/them Non Binary after everyone kept mistaking him for a girl. I'm assuming the VA had to do with it, since he is a youtuber for what I understand. Devsisters announced a spanish Twitter account and probably a dub for the game; and people are already asking for special pronouns for the genderless characters.
I'm scared nonnas, I don't want to hear that "elle" bs like in Law and Order.
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I'm also a little scared the fandom in Spanish is losing its mind just like the Americans. But for me the only true canon will be the korean wiki, anyone who tries to correct me on pronouns or stupid gender I'll show this
(and i really wait the korean wiki dont change that)
Oh P1 remake, how much I desire you…. My favorite persona game along with 3.
I think Yukino would be the most possible contender for transwashing since she's already tomboy-ish. People just love to see female characters that don't dress like a Barbie princess and go "that's because she's a man actually".
Yukino/Ayase got a pretty fun dynamic (fun fact: according to the P1 book, Yukino is the only person who enjoys being together with Ayase), I can already see people calling them t4t transbians…
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never forget transracial mark
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Gordon Freeman… omg, Gordon. Aidens latched onto that game after that shitty machinima or what the fuck it was about Benrey and now the fandom is full of Aidens who headcanon Gordon as a tranny. A good portion of fanfics is him being a troon. I honestly don't get this one since they also headcanon Gordon as uwu soft bean boi. I know he is a blank slate character and you can imagine him as you like, but does this man strike you as soft and feminine? Gordon is definitely not as manly as, say, Duke or Sam, since he is just some nerd, but he is definitely not an aiden. Not only that, but he is always a non-verbal autist now. Fuck that.
This one is the most glaring example for me, since as I said, Gordon is the least "manly man" out of all classic FPS heroes, so obviously if his not a stereotype of toxic masculinity, he supposed to be a tranny. This sounds very sexist.
Also, since Alyx is a tomboy, obviously she is a tranny too now. Again, you can't break gender stereotypes without being a gernderspecial.
Doomguy also gets trooned out too but also because John Romero himself is a tranny simp. Also yeah, I hate what HLVRAI did to the Half-Life fandom, most of those underage fakebois don't even play the games. That being said, even while being probably the least stereotypically "manly" out of the classic FPS protagonists I still can't imagine Gordon looking like the stereotypical wimpy nerd like some people headcanon him as. Or looking like Walter White, seriously are moids that faceblind? Glasses and a goatee on a white man do not Gordon Freeman make. >>247041
The not so based and actually cringe fujos who fell for the "STOP FETISHIZING GAY MEN!!" meme.
Basically this, and they're battling over which headcanon is the "correct" one to be assumed by everyone in the entire fandom. It's not enough that they have an interpretation that's very rigid and based on your own subjective wishes, you need to stop anyone who might like the opposite. >>246362>Cute boy characters get turned into themlets and trannies after overseas developer crumb under American pressure
Genuinely makes me want to punch holes in the wall. I've always loved cute effeminate male characters but now I'm way too afraid of getting attached to them because you never know when the localization team decides to troon them out, like how the fuck is this being done to GNC characters not seen as regressive as hell?
No, I'm a proud terf
: trans exclusionary radical fujoshi.
From misogyny and the "queer" pro-tranny agenda. Stop blaming teen girls for being raised to hate themselves.>>247058
They're not even headcanons, they're basically just AUs. AU where everyone is a different race and/or sex than the canon one, alternate versions of the characters. I don't know why the fuck they can't just call it that. Maybe they'd think it'd be offensive in some way kek.>I've always loved cute effeminate male characters but now I'm way too afraid of getting attached to them
Maybe not the beste example, but, when Rainbow Quartz 2.0 was revealed in Steven Universe (yeah I like him, what of it), a character that has a male voice, it surprised me how they made him a "he" instead of a "they" like the gendies wanted, unlike the Amethyst/Steven fusion whose name I can't be bothered to remember.
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Sorry nonna, but the Spanish translation came out already and they used bullshit made up gender neutral terms that most people don't use. The translation in general is pretty bad, it's like Google translated or something and uses the English one as a base rather than the Korean one.
They also did a French translation which is also a Latin language and they didn't use gender neutral bullshit so I dunno what the fuck they were thinking.
UNE TIBURONE… Literally couldnt read past that, Im glad that when I used to play only the english version was available.
Wouldnt be impressed if its actually mostly machine translation sadly lots of games do that instead of hiring actual translators.
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I CAN'T EVEN READ THIS SHIT. Maybe I'm high on copium, but it's just a beta for now, maybe they'll fix it later on, I really hope so because reading sentences like that for every themlet-washed character sounds like a pain.
Oh god, I just made a Twitter account to follow the updates and the first thing I see is that people are now bitching about how the Choco Brute isn't a MtF in this update, because he was vagely interested in femenine stuff last time he appeared in the story. I'm so mad nonnies.
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making a literal cookie brown is minority pandering I guess
Yeah now that you say it.
Even as a teen everybody I saw that was into a character just considered them (usually him) gay because they wanted to ship, they barely talked about this, since the shipping was the whole premise and theme of their fanart, so the headcanons they discussed were usually about chemistries or arguments with other characters or issues they have. I mean stuff like "he is the controlling type who cleans his room two times a day". Or episodes from the characters' pasts that are based on hints the canon has given us.
It makes me sad to see that all people can headcanon these days is gender stuff and maybe some mental illnesses. None of them are even embedded into a meaningful context of the canon story, people just list that mental shit and do nothing with it and all they draw and write are coffee shop AUs with characters and a world that bear no similarities to the canon anymore.
It reminds me how much worse drawing request threads have gotten too. Once fans were coming up with cool shit like possible situations that might have happened at some point (like "Draw him shooting an emeny to save [name of his underling], to show that he actually cares." for a leader character who fought in a war in the past) or it was funny jokes.
Now 99% of the requests are just "draw this character with the clothes of this other character from another series".
I once drew pics for such threads but lost the will to even browse them a long time ago since people are devoid of good ideas nowadays.
Their lack of self-awareness is astounding. Gender is literally the same thing. Their tranny beliefs are literally based on the same concept as traditional sex roles and reinforces it.
I also remembered that genderbend fanart of Dream Daddy that got a lot of hate because the goth TIF character got depicted as a woman (a real one or trans? idk, no one even considered it). Even before I became fully gender critical I was extremely confused as to why that was so offensive. 1. Can't you just imagine that if a TIF was genderbent, it would be a TIM? 2. If you don't think it's a TIM; if trans men are real men aren't you being "transphobic" by implying that it's wrong for a genderflipped transman to be depicted as a bio woman?
I don't see the problem or how genderbends are incompatible with trans shit either. Gendies are so stupid and just looking for things to be offended at. Or rather we all know that genderswaps offend them because they remind them that they'll never be the opposite sex.
Gendies are even more adamant of their faves being "gay" (or "queer" or "not cishet") it's insane, if they ship a het ship they need to add several disclaimers how the characters are totally bi and/or trans (no cishets allowed!!!) yet headcanoning a m/m ship as both bisexual for some reason is seen as massively homophobic. Seems like one bi man shipped with a gay man is fine but two bi men is "problematic
", yet also turning a gay ship into a straight ship having a woman with pronouns and zippertits is also not just fine but encouraged. Back in the day most shippers whether het or fujo or himejo didn't even give sexual orientation a thought, sure you had the occasional "NOOOO HE'S NOT GAY" vs "NOOOO HE'S GAY" slapfights but to most people the characters were just into each other with little to no mention of other characters, unless it was specifically multishipping.
Relating is different from self-inserting. I relate to at least one of the dudes I ship, but first of all not everybody does this and secondly I hate yume stuff because it forces in shitty OCs into a story that do not belong to the world I am into and do not act like the other characters, so it's a huge turn off to me. And series that are made to be yume from the get go never work for me. The feMCs are soulless tools, similar to how male MCs in generic harems are always shit as well.
Another reason is that het pairings usually suck ass due to the huge difference between the characters. I would enjoy way more het if there was a spicy chemistry between the woman and the man that isn't based on one of them being the loser and the other one the femme fatale or playboy.
Gay ships are superior because it's stuff like love between two knights, soldiers or even enemies that fight with similar weapons, have around the same strength and are both adamantly dedicated to a goal, so they are on equal footing. In case of enemies seeing their goal related fanatism turning into obsession for the guy that tries to stop them is spicy and simply interesting. You almost never ever get this for f/m characters.
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I meant "yume" meaning someone who self-inserts or projects onto a character in order to imagine they're with their husbando, which all shippers do. I'm not heavily invested into this subculture but I'd say the line between "relating" with a character and self-inserting onto a character is thin and arbitrary, and you seem to understand that most female MCs are to self-insert with so I don't understand how you couldn't see that fujos very often self-insert as one half of their otp as well. A whole paragraph sperging about the difference between fictional gay and het ships wasn't needed>>247586
?? I've never once spoken about this topic besides now
>>247592>that most female MCs are to self-insert with so I don't understand how you couldn't see that fujos very often self-insert as one half of their otp as well
I technically don't disagree with you but the key words are "are made to self-insert". A character is always bad if they are meant to be that and the good thing about gay ships is that they are usually not written as a proxy for the reader, which is why they are good. So yeah, I don't really disagree. Just saying that gay/fujo shows and yume shows are two different things, not that the self-insertion/relation part the audience does was fundamentally different.
Personally I cannot even be fan of a character if I don't understand and relate to them. It's like being a fan of a stranger, there is no emotional connection. It has a downside though, it makes the huge majority of characters unapproachable since I could never relate to anime school kids on principle or any of the quirky -dere characters that flood the industry, even for both genders.
People on this site sure love to argue about literally everything even remotely related to fujoshis, don't they? It's gotten really old, and I think Schizo Tranny is involved in at least 30% of these arguments.
What is it about this particular topic that brings out the sperg in people? I just can't figure it out.
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I don't know how in the fuck but he is.
I agree but honestly I am afraid talking about it here because I hate how manyassociate this with trans shit nowadays. People on this board here claim to hate gender politics and I believe it, but they do the same as the idiots on 4chan who consider absolutely everything not 100% gender stereotypical a sign of a trans mindset.
To me a woman who can relate to male characters and befriend men is just a normal person, but to terminally online people this is obviously a sign that she must be trans or an aiden or whatever the fuck they are called now. I mean I also relate to literal alien characters like some Turians or skeletons and wraiths but I swear I am not a ghost or believe to be an alien trapped in the body of a human. Although there is indeed a skeleton trapped in my human body.
>>247627>aidens only gravitate to m/m because they really hate women
This. It's neither fujos' or yumes' fault and I wish people here would stop blaming troonism on gay shipping or the desire to self-insert. The problem is that these girls hate themselves and other women.>>247794
You don't need a "theory" to explain that, you just need to look at your own experiences as a woman. Unfortunately not every woman can learn to cope with how the world hates us and treats us for having been born female, and some girls end up hating society's concept of "woman" so much that they would rather try to become men.
it depends what fandoms you're in but i see a lot of it still, it's just better disguised because they know how misogynist it sounds but still harbor the same feelings so either they keep it to the DMs or they hide behind shipping female characters in f/f ships only to get them out of the way for their main m/m ship like >>247627
no, i'm talking about when fujos pretend to be into f/f ships by shoving female characters together just to get them out of the way for their actual m/m ship. it's obvious they don't actually care about the f/f ships and only "ship" to prove they don't actually hate the female characters which is obvious from the very little content they ever make of their f/f "ship". this is such a common occurrence multiple anons have remarked about it.>>247836
um i just saw your reply and i want the nonny
i'm replying to right now to know this isn't me, it's probably the nonny
i tagged kek
i'm this anon >>247839
and i've been involved in fandoms since 2010 before troonism was big, fujos still did this "shipping f/f to ward off accusations of misogyny" thing. sure aidens might virtue signal more but i'm pretty sure it's been a thing for a much longer time
it isn't, just don't pretend that you like f/f ships, it comes off as overcompensating and tryhard like >>247844
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I know it’s my fault for lurking the (Allah forgive me for uttering these words) TF2 fandom on tumblr, but there’s so many posts like this it’s bizarre. the other mercs get depicted as fakebois a lot which is to be expected, but it’s like they all arbitrarily decided Spy is a transwoman for some reason. why?? is it because he’s a deadbeat dad?
Lol this reminds me of the time somebody said a piece of Mike from Stranger Things fanart "had she/her energy". I asked what does that mean in an innocent non-terfy way, but I never got a response.
It comes from the same people who think he's in a """lesbian""" relationship with Eleven too.
It might be that we talk about different kinds of people but what I witness a lot are fujos that ship f/f to avoid attacks from wokeoids that accuse them of fetishising gay men. They usually claim to love f/f ships and maybe retweet art but never make any themselves. I don't have a problem with it and I don't think they do it to get the women out of the way and they aren't even in the way of m/m ships in the fandom I am in right now, but I think it's sad that people have to fake shit out of fear.
If you look at Asian artists you will most likely notice that they don't do it, because they don't have this aggressive fanbase the west has. In the west "good" fujos will attack other fujos and call them homophobic for liking gay ships. They usually also pretend to be trans for the same reason. So I wouldn't wonder if some of the trans fujos you see were actually just scared people that want to get off to gay guys in peace. I am not defending it and I generally think you should never give people that attack you for your hobbies any power, but I am not surprised that there are many that are afraid of accusations.
Unfortunately, you're right on the money, anon. For every piece of slash fanart I draw, I try to draw one art with only women in it as a counterbalance so I don't get screeched at for being a fujoshi. Also I don't want to forget how to draw women.
Retards probably still think I'm an evil fag fetishist though, they just don't have the gall to say it to my face.
Hate this. I can't see any fanart of my husbando without a trans flag and endless nonsense about him being le nonbinary icon that is just trying his best u guise!! Nobody in the entire show deserves such a pure neurodivergent angel like him!11
If these fans make any content of him, its so idealized its very clear they're just writing a self insert and not the actual character.>>248385
Honesty, yuri fans are based for this. There's too much blowing air up the asses of male characters, ex. omg he a scrunkly cinnamon roll smol bean poor little meow meow bla bla bla. Its nice to see the idealized men get shit on for once and for fans to support based ships with no obnoxious hyped up anime moids in them!
I mean, there's definitely a subset of fujoshis who dislike female characters for "getting in the way," but they're typically really young or extremely autistic (like, moreso than fujos normally are.) It's also something that was a lot more common in the 2000s DeviantArt days, and not so much anymore.
Most of the fujo doujins I've read in recent years just depict the female secondary characters as being friends with the lead. Sometimes they're wingmen or even fujoshis themselves. For instance, back when I was into BNHA, the Kiribaku doujins I read often depicted Mina Ashido as a fujoshi, lmao.
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I'm looking thru a RP blog (I don't RP, but I really like the way these people edit pics/themes and sometimes they got nice headcanons) guidelines/characters and of course trans stuff invaded this space too.
Thinking about this is futile because it doesn't make sense, but I can't wrap my head about the differentce about these two labels (for reference, the 2 characters are female).
Gendies say nonbinary people are trans by deafult, so why did is one "trans nb" and the other just "nb?" What even is nonbinary female if nonbinary means they're neither male or female? Is "trans nb female" a guy who thinks is a woman ("trans female") but then decided to slap a nonbinary label for points & "nb female" just a normal woman?
I'm legitimately curious about it because not even gendies understand what their own labels/gender means and it's so fun to watch them confused when asked, but if you dare to ask any clarification you will get called terf and/or don't give any explanation at all because as I said, not even themselves are aware of what they're saying kek.
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I'm so tired.
The problem is that I believe that the true reason for all call outs out there are actually either 1. earlier private disagreements one party cannot get over (a lot of people that get bullied were former online friends of the bullies) or 2.) simply just enviousness. This is why most call outs are made against artists, usually talented artists, and not normal posters even if they have a large follower number. The accusers are also usually artists but bad ones.
This does NOT mean that you are a bad artist if you avoided drama so far. But I noticed that envy is often partly responsible for the hate some people spew. I saw some of them in discords (before they banned me because I disagreed at least) and whenever they started a call out they always had to mention how many "likes" the other artist had and how their followers must be "yes-men" or brainwashed etc. Basically, everybody that loves other people's art does it for an evil reason. And of course they accused the others of homophobia and similar shit, because it's the easiest way to sow distrust and others will distance themselves from the artists because they don't want to be suspected of being homophobic either.
I noticed that it also happens a LOT with fanzines. Seriously if you start a fanzine event please be careful whom to choose for mod positions and make your reasoning for choosing artists as vague as possible because a lot of hateful shits I have seen bullied people as a form of revenge because they weren't chosen as contributors for a fanzine or because they were mods and tried to play the CEO.
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Not mad at this since it's just a silly gimmick and easily avoidable, but not even image bots are free of this.
I wish people could simply let their accounts run & only tweet for discussions around whatever their source material is, I love image bots but I keep unfollowing them because they always bring their politics onto the bot and/or re-tweet irl happenings, donations and such
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apparently she’s a trans icon?
and I know her design is scrote bait too but i can’t help but love her nonnies. short hair beyo best tho.
>>250554>Designed by a woman
While this is true anon, you have to remember that she wasn't created by a woman. The artist who designed her was merely commissioned to bring this character to fruition by a man. Do you really think a woman would create a game where the goal is to get her naked while performing her spells?
Now don't get me wrong, I have likeness for Baynoetta too because gratuitous sexualization aside, the way she is handled is undeniably fun and lowkey confident. She has an engaging character and is not oozing sex-kitten vibes in her interactions, just a posh English woman.
As for will she become fodder for troons? Hard to say. I remember thinking that Samus Aran wouldn't be trooned but yet I came across some who said she's a"transwoman" so nothing surprises me these days when it comes to these delusional people.
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Just why. I don't understand why so many people want to put vaginas on men???
It could be genderbending but not sure. They just call male characters they like "she" or call them lesbians if they are a gay ship without elaborating on it. They also have tons of gender flags in their bio so personally I doubt it's just genderbending for fun and they usually make the designs uglier too, so I smell tumblr culture. But not sure.
One really bizarre case was when one of these people talked to an official comic writer on twitter once and asked something about the (male) main character, but called him "she". More than once, so it wasn't a typo. The poor writer probably felt awkward, but dude just answered the questions.
No idea if it's some sort of provocation against official writers ("my headcanon is the true canon") or if they are secondary fans that only learned from the series through transwashers and don't even know the canon genders of the characters.>>254068
Should have elaborated. Not in general if you count yaoi and such, but the pairings I was thinking of were surprise male gays from non-romance cartoons and comics, they aren't as common as lesbians. I like canon lesbians by the way, but that's not my point. I don't like random gender changes by fans and transwashing. Especially because they change their personalities too to accommodate their super healthy lgbt+ narrative.
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He’s a schizophrenic eunuch, not a tranny.
Easy mistake though to be fair.
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what the fuck…. if I had to see this so do you
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it's starting already i fucking hate trannies
I don't get it. Is it some colors? I don't know these flags.
Please tell me it's a girl though that design is cute.
It's her pokemon in combination with her looks.
Trannies have Sylveon as a dog whistle.
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Now I get it. Man that are some mental gymnastics imo>>255255
Isn't that just because "male" fashion shows less skin? Nobody ever commented on my looks as long as I live because I always preferred comfy stuff like hoodies (not heavy though underweight but that's usually considered ugly too).
(baby pink/white/baby blue are the colors on the troon flag)
(her hoodie and hair color attracted the troons like flies to shit because she resembles a stereotypical TIF)
I usually see lots of m/f ships being called trans4trans, non binary or any other thing by genderspecials. It seems they always have to make the ship ~queer~ in some way order for it to be ok or cool. I also see lots of "they're het but in a gay way" tweets, whatever that means.
It's so annoying, I usually dont like m/f ships because the dynamics are boring often, but right now my favorite ship is a het one and people keep calling the girl "non binary".
But honestly, no ship is inmune to transwashing. No matter if it's gay or straight, gender headcanons is all modern fandom does. I guess what you see depends on the series/game you're talking about.
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Tomboy who secretly likes girly things but feels too ashamed to engage in them or wear typical feminine clothing because she was bullied as a child for looking boyish and being flat chested, so surely she must actually be a guy. I hate these backwards people. They don't realize they're exactly the same as the people who caused her insecurities.
It's terrible because the anti-tranny faction is already calling every woman that isn't some slightly-overweight megatits with blonde hair and fat lips tranny these days but the pro-tranny faction also assumes that everybody is a tranny so I am pretty sure if I would ever post a photo of my myself online everybody would assume I was one too.
Shit literally went a full circle and every slightly androgynous woman or tomboy (be it real or 2D) cannot be a woman anymore nowadays because there is only one very specific way a woman can look and dress like.
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If you ship anything same-sex, trying to browse the AO3 tag for it is a nightmare, especially in fandoms infested with trannies like picrel. You have to exclude all of the variation of trannyshit, and sometimes you still
end up opening fics with troonshit. These asshats truly can't fathom the idea of a relationship that doesn't have one penis and one vagina, and they're getting away with it under the guise of wokeness.
Tags I typically have to exclude:>Trans character>Trans male character>Trans female character>Non-binary character>Trans (character A)>Trans (character B)>Mpreg>PIV
And I have to type all that shit in before
I exclude the other shit I hate, like coffeeshop AUs and A/B/O.
I cannot describe how much I hate the m/m vagina jumpscare. Thank god I still see it tagged so I can avoid it, but it ruins the entire fic. Dunno why a man with a vagina is so revolting to me, but it's such a gross-out. Maybe if they stop tagging it and someone wanted to complain, they could lie and say that vaginas are a "trigger
" for them or something so it needs to be tagged. Thing is, I like a vagina when it's on an actual woman and not mutated by testosterone. Grotesque.
This is another issue. Strangely as others have said like >>255514
it always happens with gay ships.
It doesn't sound logical to me. If they cared about minorities why taking away the gay ships of all things that are already rare and not use non-binary characters and such to spicy up generic het ships instead?
I was in a fandom in which 80% of the fans shipped the most painfully het ship and I saw the fics since I was in a discord with them. This stuff never happened with that pairing, it was always people writing for the few rare gay f/f and m/m ships that shoved it in, sometimes it was even the same people that write the het ship (and actually write that as het, never changing the gender).
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TIFs pick the weirdest fucking characters to trannify
I never realised this but lol this must be the reason for why none of the shit I am into gets transwashed. They are all war criminals, dictators, insane (but kinda cute) or literally brain-damaged (still loving Tsurumi, though).
But this only proves to me that it's all about "brands". It's not about the character displaying any traits that might be considered "trans" or the story or anything, it's all an aggressive form of OC self-advertising. Just like a company that wouldn't put ads on a website with nsfw content these people would never transify a "problematic
" character, because they cannot use them as advertisement.
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I've seen him drawn with chest scars way too many times.
The other day someone uploaded the first new fic in months for a rarepair that I love and it was actually good and didn't contain any blatant troonism, but then the author's note at the bottom said "[character] is trans because i said so" which retroactively ruined the fic for me
I wonder if or when this will all blow over. It really saps the fun out of fandom for me, especially since I seem drawn to media with fandoms that are 95% gender people.
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Lars was prpbably the first one i saw TIFs latch onto en masse. Dipper Pines is another one
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Also Samus is apparently "canonically trans" because nintendo had originally planned for her to be male but changed their mind last minute
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Of course it's only her though and not Grusha or Atticus or Ortega. I hate the state of fandom.
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I just want this nightmare to be over
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I would love to know. I have zero connections to these parts of the fandoms so I don't know how they think or what they say in their private discords and such.
I would be interested actually, for psychological reasons.
I think they enjoy the fandom and its
version of these characters more than the characters as they're written in the source material. There are definitely characters who I think were improved by fan content, particularly villains or supporting characters who were somewhat two-dimensional in the source material. But that's more of a general writing thing. I don't think characters are ever improved by people just piling woke headcanons on them. For instance, I can see how making a villain more nuanced and sympathetic expands on the source material. Headcanoning a character as trans/black/disabled/etc? Not so much.
God this, let me tell you I already met a few people who were fan of certain fandom versions of characters and actually dropped the official cartoon/manga/comic and left the fandom they were so hyped about after they delved into canon territory because they realised, big surprise, that fanon and canon are two different things.
Maybe we only had less than half of the transwashing if people were forced to engage with the canon series before being allowed to call themselves fans of it.
Honestly it seems like they always latch together and won't follow you anyway if you don't trannyfy characters. I draw fanart for a bunch of popular fandoms and have yet to see anybody with a trans/xir bio talking to me or reblogging my stuff.
It's usually artists from Asia that engage and to a lesser degree western artists and a few fans that talk about canon all day and don't care about OCs and headcanons.
If I go to these people's accounts all they reblog is usually other shitty art with flags and over-weighted transified versions of characters.
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I think Shu has it the worse when it comes trans debate than Arashi. Everything about pic is so funny but op is right Shu is a man.
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Someone even drew art for op. Totally normal and not obsessive behavior.
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I swear I can't go anywhere nowadays without gendies screeching about how 2D from Gorillaz is trans or they're gonna "steal his gender" because he's an ever so slightly effeminate man who wears pink sometimes, is more recently drawn with long eyelashes and paints his nails.
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same anon again, I am so fucking retarded I forgot to attach the image kek
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Soap?? Fucking SOAP of all people???
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I liked this ship picture (because it's femboy x tomboy which is absolutely rare) only to learn OP ""headcanons"" Rika as a they/them and Grusha as a……fucking "transfer lesbian". How do I make OP kill herself
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i feel like its the same artist who i was greatly disappointed with on twt. iirc there were comments underneath the post of fans, who weren't aware of the artist's headcanons, who were told to use they/them and she/her pronouns when discussing about rika and grusha for the fanart because of the obv headcanon.
not like the post has that kind of disclaimer or anything but it sours my mood when people were told to play along other people's headcanons.
penny is sadly a victim
of the tranification as well, not like she has a chance considering her design, and even her story, can easily be projected by fakebois who look like her irl and think they're now the epitome of softboi masculinity.
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Taion from Xenoblade 3. Any character that looks like him is cursed to be transwashed I think.>>262826
This happens in my boring lily vanilly het fics too I'm so tired. You'd think even thinking about writing M/F would make them go catatonic but alas
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Good idea! You can say something like "as a trans person looking for representation can you please tag it so other trans people can find it more easily? thank you"
Both Taion and Eunie get trannified.
Oh the girl is the more aggressive one of the couple? They must be T4T, how progressive.
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The fact that none of you posted him is absolutely insane to me for some reason
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absolute mental illness
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There was a glitch that made some female Azurill turn male upon evolving due to the gender ratio difference between the two species. It actually happened to me once, I always make my teams female-only and then I noticed one of my girls turned into a fakeboi and had to exile her kek.
I don't know much about programming, but it doesn't really make sense since just like you said, pokemon are supposed to maintain their nickname, gender, nature etc after evolving, but I guess that's how glitches work. At least it finally got fixed on the 3DS + later games, the Marril line peaked.
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aidens who don't even bother to actually transition have discovered femboys/traps/otokonoko/whatever and it's making me seethe. "ohh as a gnc male it makes me happy to see men that look like me… :)" then you check their profile and it's a he/they retard. yeah, retard, of course this impossible type of guy who looks exactly like a woman is reminiscent of you, a woman.
…also i don't want to double post, but fate's mordred, and really any female character whose gripes over being considered a "woman" are entirely because they come from a time period where women couldn't be kings and etc., are always considered transmasc. always. no thinking it through, no considering the plot, gendies just see a girl say "don't call me a girl!" and think "ohhh she must want to be a man/nonbinary :)"
it's so boring. it's so boring to see a character at odds with the roles their sex demands they preform and wipe it all away with a trans narrative. just kill yourself already PLEASE 41%
Kek no way, I love Marill so I often try to have one in my teams and it never happened to me. I was saying this based on what I've seen online and I never heard about that glitch before.>>265595
That's what I mean by girly design. I'm sure it's designed that way to look cutesy and girly to sell cute toys to girls and it just
happens that trannies love using these colors for their shitty flag. What you quoted doesn't make sense without the second half of that sentence.>>265529
Lord have mercy, autists should not be legally allowed to have anything to do with cute children games' franchises.
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I wanted to joke about how Edelgard forces her own soldiers and civilians to transform into hideous, mindless, raging beasts as weapons of war without their consent in all the routes except Crimson Flower and it's close enough to transitioning but my actual guess is that she's a kawaii uguu bisexual anime girl and trannies love her for that.
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azumarill is a really great pokemon and a terf
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the souls community is a fucking mess
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>A bunch of people are pushing that Steven from Pokemon: Strangled Red is canonically trans with their only sources being "dude just trust me" and "the new owner of the creepypasta said so, even though I have no proof and their Twitter is privated"
Nevermind the fact that creepypastas having a "new owner" because fans didn't like the original author is a cope on the same level of "teehee Hatsune Miku made Minecraft uwu"
Wild to me how the only site where I see relatively consistent and reasonable dislike of Edelgard is lolcow. Back before I peaked it was like defusing a bomb anytime I mentioned disliking her.
I've never seen troons repping Edelgard, though, it was always other lesbians? I wonder what it is about radical feminism that makes the difference.
Actually Kirby is referred to as "he" in canon iirc so he's a male alien. He obviously just doesn't have any genitals because it's a child-friendly franchise, but it's clear that he's referred to as a male. Troons will use any possible excuse to declare a character a genderspecial, though. And it's not like they would stop doing it even if the pink sentient ball had a human reproductive system either so trying to explain to them why they're wrong would be pointless.>>265433
Birdo is a canon tranny, sadly, although he was clearly conceived as a joke.
It's kinda like when trannies call clownfish or other sex-changing animal species (that are very, very distant from mammals) "trans" and use them as representation (kek) because said animals have the ability to change sex for reproductive purposes, even though troons are supposed to be special because they have a body that doesn't match their brain, etc.>>265594
Based. Aidens project their own gender ideology onto those characters because at the end of the day, they relate strongly and share the same frustrations that come from being a girl in a patriarchal world, but they come to the worst possible conclusions so they're unable to see the message in those characters' plotlines, even when it's spelled out for them.
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I love collecting old pony dolls and Star catcher is ob obviously the more transwashed because of her color palette. I miss when these colors where only the sell to girls who also liked baby blue.
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I wonder when the current tranny flag will get cancelled for being created by a pedo (it won't, but I can dream.) To think, the labrys flag got cancelled just for being designed by a man. Like I get the logic of "reee only a lesbian should design the lesbian flag," but the labrys flag actually had imagery historically associated with gay women, whereas the other flags are just "lol girl is when pink." I understand taking issue with the black triangle, but at least it's not a reductive stereotype. Interesting how the ugly toothpaste gay flag is blue, the new lesbian flag is pink, and the tranny flag is blue and pink, yet these people claim to be opposed to gender stereotypes and the gender binary. Fucking riddle me that one, Batman.>>266132
It's doubly retarded too, because male ponies literally use different molds from female ones. They're called Big Brother ponies, and they have feathering around their hooves in addition to being larger (picrel). Baby Brother ponies also had feathering, and if I recall correctly, when the brought male ponies back in G4, they also all had feathering.
If she was male or even just pretending to be male, she'd have feathering, but she doesn't, so those retarded Aidens can cope.
I think that you're overthinking it and making generalizations based on one experience.
I think it does the Amber Heard, a real person who was wronged, discredit to make parallels to how Edelgard was received. Additionally, their situations don't really have any parallels aside from being controversial women.
Staying on topic, both sides of the Edelgard debate got too serious about it lol. I dislike her because she's emblematic of the game's generally crude understanding of social, political, and economic strife. But she's also an anime girl primarily designed and written to waifubait men. It's hard to give too much energy to that without feeling silly.
Fire Emblem games generally get their stories taken a lot more seriously than they deserve, IMO. It's understandable since they're popular and use war as a backdrop, but that setting has never been written with particular nuance. It's better to focus on the appeal of the rather generically anime ensemble cast instead of focusing heavily on moral correctness.
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>>265759>Wild to me how the only site where I see relatively consistent and reasonable dislike of Edelgard is lolcow.
You must not be involved in fandom spaces and other websites then because she's been hated everywhere since the game released. On the FE subreddit, 4chan, twitter, tumblr, etc. Rightfullyy so since she's a pretty contentious character. Still love her tho
Samfag as >>266361
but I forgot to mention, her ending really bothered me how it's only mentioned in text after the game that "oh she wipes out those who slither" Like… there's no story to that? Just happily ever after? Rushed as fuck.
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>>266227>But she's also an anime girl primarily designed and written to waifubait men.
Nta and I'm not in this argument, but what are you talking about? What about this design screams "waifubait"? Looks like a pretty good character design to me.
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I remember reading this years back, what the fuck?
To stay on topic, I don't get why I see so much of picrel.Yesterday was the character's birthday so like the little autist I am I drew fanart, and I got someone (note, I don't post in english, I do my native language) asking me in google translate french if I would edit my drawing to give him top scars. I don't get it.
Holy shit, what the hell? I've occasionally had people neg me in the comments/tags about making characters cis or white, but nobody has actually had the audacity to ask me to change
my own drawings to fit their
headcanons. That's absurdly entitled, my god.
How did you respond? In that situation, I'd probably just ghost the person.
What "implications" are they talking about? Nothing he does is particularly feminine, unless you count his Gerard Way-esque haircut in Three Hopes. He's just a (deliberately)creepy simp, I don't get what's trans-coded about that.>>267354
Usually it's due to their own misunderstanding of the character archetype shown, too. Also fire emblem, but Kyza(feminine gay male character, basically an okama) got they/them'd by the official gacha game and I see fans claim he's a transwoman, since he uses feminine speech patterns when gushing about his (male)crush. I wonder why Leon doesn't get them too, what with the whole "woman's heart" thing he has going on
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The TiM in question had a whole list of reasons that could only be taken seriously as headcanon, but the crux of his argument was picrel. Apparently this is proof that somebody on the writing team wrote somebody as a "closeted/in denial trans woman".
Wouldn't normally take some rando's raving seriously, but he actually got interviewed by a site and reasserted the notion there, which resulted in the idea gaining in popularity.
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>Complex multi-layered female character who resents the patriarchic society she lives in, said patriarchic society constantly undermines her and punishes her harder then her male counterparts >well that proves she's clearly a transman https://lothelynx.wordpress.com/2021/10/17/a-most-uncommon-woman-cersei-lannisters-gender-trouble/
So yeah I got back into the GoT fandom and apparently this is a thing now, the shit smearing kweers have now decided that Cersie is a closeted transman, you have TIFs going "Cersie is clearly trans cause she had gender envy against her brother" but even an Idiot could understand she wanted to be her brother for 1)the societal benefits and 2)the physical strength of a male(Cersie has this whole thing of desiring the strength of a male warrior)
the whole fucking essay is every thing wrong queer theory, so much reaching and taking aspects of a character out of context to create their own narrative
Like Cersie is resentful for being born in a fucked up world but even she knows the problem is not her womanhood but society, She thinks men are mostly Idiots and It never once a came across in her POV's that she ever wanted to a man rather just wanted to be taken as seriously as men
also the essay also tries to use the fact Jamie and Cersei were identical twins and claim it as an example of how the "heteronormative gender binary" is made up cause they looked identical when they were pre-pubescent children and their current sex roles is only due to arbitrary choice(which in the essay's view are genitals), ignoring the fact they started developing vastly different when they were teenagers, Jamie is tall, muscular and extremely strong, It wouldn't matter if Jamie or Cersie were raised as the opposite sex cause Jamie would always end up bigger and physically stronger then his twin sister. its like these people have no understanding of how the insecurities all people have regarding their sex roles and also puberty
also last note, a big part of Cersie's character is that despite everything she did somewhat enjoy motherhood, she was happy to bear Jaime’s babies, in being a mother to them, and nursing them at her breast, I don't know how a transman or enby could relate to that
samefag Its interesting they took this line as a some deep comment regarding gender and that they don't give any context and seem to subtly imply that she's making this comment towards Jamie as further proof about how biological sex is somehow fake
she's saying this to Robert(who in a way the most traditionally masculine character in the series) and its both in a moment of anger and meant as an insult towards him, its just a paraphrasing way of saying "you're not a real man" in order to goad Robert to take rash actions against the Starks
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Why must they do this to her. she is transwashed so much its insane… shes the only female char in ace attorney who's like an actual protagonist too? And you're gonna say she's a man? I hate people.
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this woman is apparently a he because she wants to become like her deceased master or something. I don't read OP but I saw some retarded debate on facebook
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Why do they always they/them any girl who doesnt wear frilly dresses, I'm so tired.
That's not her in-series outfit.
Anyways, Yamato has been confirmed to be a woman, although I can see why people got the wrong idea. I don't speak JP, so I'm not sure if the misleading aspects of her character were in the original or inserted by the scanlators, but she regularly asserted herself as male and was referred to by male pronouns.
The reason is because she kins some dead guy though, so yeah, either way, it was stupid and messy.
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I try to not sweat it because I know every character under the sun gets transed, but when it comes to Ace Attorney, it puts a bad taste in my mouth when Aura gets headcanoned as a transwoman. Cool, let's erase yet another canon lesbian character as usual. I see people do this with Adrian Andrews too, since her name is unisex.>>270686
Hot take, but both trilogies are good, even if the original was GOAT.
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In the past few years many AGPs/TRAs have started headcanoning princess ozma as being a trans allegory, I hate seeing it cause she's genuinely one of my favorite characters
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Wind Master from Heaven Official's Blessing.
That gods can take both male and female form and Wind Master takes full advantage of that doesn't mean he's trans, gender-fluid or whatever. I especially hate how the pronouns in the official translation switch between 'he' and 'she', reading becomes tiresome.
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Yeah, I was expecting professionalism from the translation, not cheap pandering, especially since the translator (Suika) worked on the now-taken-down fan translation and there was none of that cultural appropriation going there. >>274077
They do though? Nobody who cannot write Chinese posts on Chinese social media or video sites. And the Chinese fandom doesn't interact with people outside of the Great FireWall either.
I personally blame Discord. All was well and comfy, with translators and fans being too ignorant of any id-pol until [[[the usual suspects]]] started arriving in discord channels.
DISCORD - NOT EVEN ONCE
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>Guys, are we sure Kumatora is a girl??? "She" has.. OMG short hair!!! Girls don't have short hair!!>B-but our sexism is progressive and good because we think she's trans instead of a real male!
Fuck OFF. Kumatora isn't a tranny, she's just an active, foul-mouthed teenage girl with short hair who hates being forced to wear girly clothes, which has always been a pretty common trope and the reality of a lot of girls. Being androgynous or not liking hyperfemininity does NOT automatically make any woman or girl wish to be a moid, nor does it mean she was "male all along." Especially a basic tomboy character in a 2006 Japanese video game, where there also happens to be blatant caricatures of male crossdressers/TIMs. (I also laugh at the pathetic attempts of some wokeoids to deny that the Magypsies are troon parodies by only calling them "male crossdressers" (same shit) because it'd be too unflattering a representation of TIMs. It's like that soyjak pic with the moe catgirls vs. ugly anime men in dresses.)
How can you seriously look at a character like Kumatora and reach the conclusion that it's more likely that she's "trans", "non-binary", or even "agender", than just a normal girl who rebels against a forced feminine standard (GNC)? I'd also say that those characters, one of them being a little girl, mistaking Kumatora for a boy says more about them and their own expectations of what women should be, than about Kumatora's "gender identity". The point there is that her unconventional personality and slightly unfeminine appearance make her androgynous, thus, radically different to the female stereotype everyone in Tazmily is used to, a stereotype that she dislikes being associated with. But this never leads her to reject her womanhood or to express any desire to have been born male. She just doesn't fucking like wearing girly dresses, being passive and submissive, or sexualizing herself or faking girly giggles (like at Club Titiboo)
. (In fact, Kumatora apparently was going to be a slightly older and much more scantily clad character in the N64 version of Mother 3, which would still be "wild" compared to the type that the average woman in Tazmily is, so it's clear that her theme in the final GBA version is "defies social expectations of her sex".) I also gotta laugh at the ridiculous implication that just because other people mistake you for a man, it means you're trans/actually a man.
But troons and their worshippers fail to see something so basic that shouldn't even be explained, or fail to take it at face value like they should, insisting that such a character must surely have been secretly written as an Aiden metaphor or something (or in the case of male characters, a TIM, like >>267794
), that there's a secret hidden meaning in "subtext" or "context" that reveals their trans
AUs are actually canon and said hidden meaning only really makes sense if you subscribe to this specific Western, capitalistic, post-modern, 21st century ideology known as gender theory. Any sane, normal person who doesn't care about gender indentity bullshit will see Kumatora, and other characters like her, as a tomboy.
All in all, this is, sadly, yet another case of a transwashed female character because "since she's not hyperfeminine she must not feel like a woman, and actually isn't one because I think all girls should like pink, be weak and submissive, and wear pretty dresses all the time, otherwise they're not girls
". Nothing new. None of this would be so rage-inducing if it was confined to obscure Japanese fiction, but unfortunately it affects even historical figures such as Joan d'Arc
(and any other female historical figure who was known to defy the oppressive sex roles imposed upon her at the time), and most importantly real girls in the present. Fucking clown world.
The bottom youtube comment in picrel is not too bad but it still irks me how they think "kinda boyish" = "non-female-presenting". "Kinda boyish" means she's not traditionally feminine, not that she's trying to pass as a male or denying she's female. Also I thought "male and female" referred to the genitals and "man and woman" to the social roles (according to troons), but apparently you're not allowed to use "female" to describe "people with vaginas" anymore, and the word is now synonymous with feminine clothing. Now anyone who wears a binder is male a choker is female and anyone who wears. These people are fucking insane.>>272677
See this is what I'm talking about when I say they read way too much into things instead of taking things at face value. Why must they insert their nonsensical, modern gender garbage into a story about a boy who's magically turned into a girl? Was that the author's intention? Did he want to comment on gender at all? Just because trannies read stuff like this in their childhood and developed an obsessive fetish out of it to the point that they, and some hack psychologists, convinced a lot of people that it's not just a fetish, doesn't mean this story has "trans undertones", that's just them forcing their delusions everywhere to feel validated.
I hope you told that poster all the reasons why that "interpretation" is retarded. Surely those who believe that bullshit also think stories about people turning or being turned into animals validate the identity of otherkin and "transspecies" retards, otherwise they'd be outed as massive hypocrites.>He/she are just literally trans
I thought "transgender" meant a person who was born in a body of the wrong sex? So how the fuck can a child that magically changes sex multiple times be "transgender"? That's not possible in the real world. Troons are so delusional that the only way they can "prove" transgenderism is a real thing, is with random magical transformations in children's fantasy books. That's also how they prove that it's totally possible to change sex in real life kek.>>272687
No the pro-tranny (or most likely tranny as they're often the most invested in this shit) is also arguing in favour of the "lesbian undertones". Only they're not only implying that the characters are lesbians, but that one of them is a transbian.
She is so clearly female, I really don't get how anyone could misinterpret her so severely. Also kek the moment I met the magypsies in the game they were clearly trannies/drag queens (they are the same in Japan, no? Except they don't take the costume off?). Also one is a pedophile that rapes you in the hot springs kek.
I just can't believe tomboys don't exist anymore to these retards. And I hate the Joan of Arc reinterpretation, because there's nothing to interpret. She was a real woman. She wasn't even that masculine, she wore male clothes because she was riding a horse all day long and surrounded by men. She's not even the only woman in history to use religious visions to escape her home life. Shit sucks. There really has been a mass brainwashing since 2016(?), if not earlier, but it's not even subtle anymore.
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Integra from Hellsing.
Though it's an older series, so not many from the gotta-label-them-all crowd watch/read it (+ it's too violent for their snowflake hearts).
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I get it though - a character doesn't have huge boobs and wears pants = must be trans. It's so simple.
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honestly surprised, cause she's literally the only non-sexualized female character in the series, enjoys wearing and even uses male pronouns to assert her authority, I would have assumed her be hc'd as a TIF
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They do all sorts of things to her ;_;(;_;)
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Stop it with the emoticon
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I have no clue about anything related to jojo aside from a reader insert fanfic with a blonde guy in a purple suit that kills you as per the comments which stated the guy acted 100% like he would in canon and the fact that old guy joe? was a massive whore.
but from the discussions elsewhere it seems like he's a TIM and gets blatantly addressed with the correct pronouns, so maybe the mangaka has some plans with him to make fun of trannies? Unless of course troons get to him first and make him change it to fit their views. Also the pose in the second panel is ridiculous
she reminds me of my abusive
mom stfu women are allowed to dislike female characters without being misogynist. I Stan plenty of problematic
girls but not her. sage for bullshit
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intsys loves femboys, good on them.
Fuxk these retards, I'm not going to ever play FE Engage because the MC is hideous but a pretty boy liking girly fashion and still seeing himself as a guy is much more revolutionary than mentally ill trannies being enabled by everyone around them. The translators tried to reshape Forrest's personality to make him more of a brave and stunning bad bitch instead of a nice, shy and soft young man who wants to be a fashion designer in FE Fates because of how obsessed they are with trannies, it's a miracle they didn't turn the new girly male character into an actual tranny.>>278188
FE has like one girly looking guy per game, some of them fit the description you want like Libra in FE Awakening looking like a feminine grown man in a neutral male uniform for his class. Same with Lucius in FE7. It just depends on the game.
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Miko from Touhou. She is based off a real-life man named Miko and trannies decided it was enough to put their greasy hands on her. It's not like every Touhou character is a girl…
It's like Fate: Grand Order characters that are female reincarnations of male figures for the sake of porn, they instantly are labeled as trans because fuck thinking
A friend of mine draws her a lot and one day she got a message on tumblr saying "I'm a trans girl and I'm triggered
because you draw Miko too masculine uwu", she asked me if she should answer the message (to which I told her no ofc), I think that was the day the peaking seeds were sowed lol.
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>was doing some calculations on AO3 because I was bored
>look up the % of trans fics for different ships
The results I found for Arcane startled me. I found that for CaitVi, only about 2% of fics had trans stuff in them. JayVik, on the other hand, had fucking 14% of its fics with trans shit. That is absolutely insane to me. What is it about JayVik that attracts troons like crazy??
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I calculated the number of trans fics for each ship by adding trans!character 1 fics + trans!character 2 fics and subtracting fics where both characters are trans from the number. I then divided the resulting number by the total number of fics for that ship and multiplied by 100 to get the percentage.
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>>278491>Why do people want to fuck Jayce
I think those people are just horny and like a pretty face. I mean I don't see but Im a lesbian so it doesnt really matter
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Little dude gets transed because it's a sexless bug. Sorry, a nOnBiNaRy…
yes, they also write the majority of wlw or underage girl/underage girl
fics with the saying that futa isnt the same as girl penis
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I’m not even a ponyfag anymore but this makes me want to a-log
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at least not as rampant as mtf fluttershy (and i don’t think i even have to mention trixie)
miquella isn't even in the game yet but he's already getting the gwyndolin treatment kek
her looking like this doesn't negate the fact that she still regularly treats other women like shit and in misogynistic ways unfortunately
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diluc from genshin impact
funnily enough he gets troonified both ways and they always manage to make him het. theres a gratuitous amount of cuntboy/ftm art of him when shipped with males or he gets turned into a "he/him transbian" when he's shipped with jean (female)
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Came to post this
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY GOD WHY?!!
It makes me irationally mad tbqh
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Need I say more?
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have some more ridiculous art, as if tranners could ever look like giant military guys.
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Any Ace Attorney fans out there? I've been in the fandom since fucking 2008 and Apollo has ben getting the transwashing for at least ten fucking years now. I remember when the first gross zippertits fanarts appeared they were niche now all you gotta do is search Apollo Justice and it will be full of this nonsense. They transwash him because he's short and does voice training kek dunno man this shit piss me off so bad ace attorney used to be a normal fandom, with some autists for sure but now it's just full of trannies and idiots who missinterpret the game. I hate how transgenderism became mainstream Man. We cant have normal fanart anymore, it's gotta have a point because the troons are being "genocided"
Yeah, I started playing AA in 2017 and became one of my favorite games (specially DGS/TGAA, I learnt how to import stuff from japan 2nd hand sites just to play them), but the fandom was already a cestpool by then. I even got called out once for sharing genderbend art kek.
90% of fandom content is either narumitsu/klapollo or trans headcanons, it's so boring out there. It's specially a shame considering how fun the cast is, but people only care about projecting onto the characters.
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Being in trigun twt is exhausting. Ofc he's being transwashed because he's not your typical rude/badass anime man and looks at Wolfwood lovingly. This happens mainly with Stampede and not Trimax.
I don't interact and directly block whoever draws or depicts him with a vagina and their poor excuse is that "Well, he's an alien, he could have whatever in between his legs!" well, at least put fucking alien genitalia, not a human vagina. TIFs love him because they can use him for self insert purposes and of course they add zipper tits to his scars, which have an important storytelling role: Vash has a lot of scars because he pays with his body all the times he tried to get close to humans. No one would realistically mutilate his breasts for muh gender nor he would hurt himself for that kind of shit. I could give actual yaoi "ukes" a pass because they're written by women for women, but Vash was written by a man who wanted a deep character and that includes having a more sensitive side too. Him being reduced to a "transmasc" makes my blood boil. God forbid a man who cries and loves another man is cis, ofc he has a vagina because if you're a man you can't cry, right? You must have been born a woman. These tifs are no better than obnoxious people that walk up to gay couples asking "who's the man/woman xDD", it's, once again, woke sexism.
it makes them look even more delusional tbh. nobody is impressed aside other aidens.>>287132
i can't imagine. sucks bc OG trigun was so cool and stylish, stampede has some great animation but it's so watered down it appeals to aidens. and him being a plant gives a pass for "weird alien genitals" aka pussy.
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KEK I forgot about Robin. For those who don't know, picrel is Robin, a girl character who pretende to be a boy because she wanted to be seen as strong. (in a reverse chihiro fujisaki like situation) During her trial, she reveals she is actually a girl and such kek her male persona was being angry all the time, very pooner of her. of course the troonies SEETHE over this and try to make her a MtF troony or bigender or some stupid shit. >>287094
I'm sorry nonnie
you got into the fandom so late. It used to be so fun, people talked about the characters and the stories, not about stupid ships and how trans they are. Ace Attorney for me is the least sexy game ever I don't get why people want to talk about ships so much, everything else is much more interesting. And they make Edgeworth always soooo OOC.
Back then, even the ones sperging about pairings like me
also talked about the actual story and characters in a more general way, and were talking about what they like and dislike about the games. Now you have underaged idiots who pretend to be super huge fans because they post their shitty OOC narumitsu fanfics based on what they read about the characters on wikipedia, and then act shocked and appalled because they just learn the next day shit that literally happen in the games like Mia and Diego being a canon couple which is one of the basis of an entire fucking game. I blocked so many people on twitter that now I can safely just follow Asian fans without being recommended OOC shit from Western "fans".
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The discussion surrounding the new Sentai's purple ranger right now is very grating. Multiple sources have called her by female Japaneae pronouns, and her own actress has described her as a heroine. Due to a couple of contradicting sources also labelling her as gender neutral, genderspecials have gone wild labelling her as trans, despite there being no solid confirmation as to what the real situation is. Many go as far as to call anybody who prefers to think of her as a GNC female a bigot.
These same people have also called the production company, Toei, cowardly and half-assed for not unambiguously declaring her transgender. This claim is in spite of Toei having made unambiguous declarations regarding three different trans characters in the past: Naki from 01, Ichika from High School Heroes, and Sonoshi from Donbrothers. If Toei intended Rita to be what troons assert her to be, they would have said something at this point.
The most likely explanation currently (the character is still recently introduced) is that she is female, but does not disclose whether she is male or female to other characters in-universe because she believes it would impact her neutrality as a judge. This much was stated by her recently stated character bio, but this as well is being taken as confirmation that she is trans by gendies.
It's just ridiculous to me. A female ranger who even wears pants as her default outfit is a rarity in Sentai (as in, it's been a decade since it last happened). I think that an expansion of how woman can look and behave should be celebrated, and yet troons cannot let anybody have an inch without declaring dissenters as bigots for relating in a different manner.
Regardless of how things pan out with the character, it feels like a very mask-off moment.
Anyways, a bonus: both of the previously stated nonbinary characters have come from notably misogynist writers. Really shows where people's priorities are.
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anon, the amount of ftm in the metal gear fandom depresses me. it will never make me laugh at how they try to make the buffest, most masculine characters trans. give me a fucking break. most of them are obsessed with kaz or venom, i have no idea why that could be outside of the fact that they never played any of the games besides MGSV. there are a few mtf in the fandom too, but luckily they're just autistic enough to only make video essays and analyses, easy enough to look past
i hate that they've turned a series with themes and characters that have a lot of personal meaning to me into a derivative "queer" fuck fest
sage for sperg
I feel like gendies are incapable of separating convenient parts of fiction from reality. For example, impossibly beautiful men are non-existent in real life, but in fiction anything is possible (doesn't mean it's also possible in reality). So gendies are unable to process this and think pretty anime boys must be biological women who identify as male because only women can be that pretty in real life. They accept things like gods, fantastical animals and magic existing in fiction only, but they can't accept beautiful biological males with androgynous features existing in fiction only, they MUST troon said characters because that'd make their imaginary identity seem more valid
in the real world.
As for why they're so obsessed with Kaz and Venom, I literally saw some shippers on Tumblr, back when MGSV was new, admitting to not even playing the game and only reading their wiki articles to understand the ship's backstory. Those are the same kind of people who "join" fandoms just to discuss trans headcanons of every character now.>>287497
And not to mention, Raiden was made to piss off Snake fanboys. You know, the kind that feels gay when a pretty male character is on-screen or blames muh fujos for any attractive guy existing in the media they like.
>>287539>Raiden was made to piss off Snake fanboys
I don't think so intentionally
, pretty sure he was just meant to bring in more female fans but the Snake fanboys happened to get pissed off over him because they're whiny entitled retards.>They accept things like gods, fantastical animals and magic existing in fiction only, but they can't accept beautiful biological males with androgynous features existing in fiction only
Funny enough that's what troons argue too, that "transphobes can accept gods and magic and extremely advanced technology existing in fiction, but somehow not passing trans people!!" which okay fair, I'm not that
autistically invested in "muh realism", I just hate trannies and don't want to see them kek
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Speaking of Yakuza>tall heavy build similar to Kiryu's>deep voice>spent years in men's prison>literally seen as a little boy in 0>often headcanoned as a biological woman despite all of the above>also is an incompetent retard that needs others to solve his problems
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>transformation into a different person(and thus maybe trans)
How does that make any sense?
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These 3 are getting all the TiM-types of headcanons, I hate it. Only Prune Juice gets the TiF treatment half the time because the fandom is still conflicted on what kind of tranny they want him to be.
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Apparently JD from Scrubs is a tranny according to AO3
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It's exhausting. It's gotten to the point where I have a visceral reaction like nausea or increased blood pressure when I see the fucking trans flag anywhere near him. Alot of these retards don't seem to grasp that he's written for the female gaze. As in, a male character, meant for female viewing pleasure. Male. Man. Hombre. None of this tranny crap. It's impossible to even look at fandom stuff without being bombarded by the trans shit. I knew they were going to swarm Vash because he's gentle and quirky and too pretty.
This ftm artist is always going on about trans rights and has made references to Vash being ftm. I think the art is good but the carefully placed tit chop scars are so off-putting.
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i'm still annoyed bridget got trooned out kek; especially
since his new design is actually pretty cute and modernized. i know he'll always be a guy, regardless if he now canonically has a mental illness, but i now have to separate myself from the character on social media/in the gg community so people don't get the wrong idea.
i saw someone describe it as putting tifa in a burka and it resonated. leave my nerdshit alone.
The Japanese fanartists still just draw him as a guy, it's mainly westerners that draw him troonified, most not even playing the actual game lol.>>290793
Well his story since he was first introduced was that he was raised as a girl because his village had a curse around having male twins. All of his story was about him wanting to become manlier, then the rest were cheap gags about Baiken being manly to him or Johnny almost having a nervous breakdown over being attracted to him.
In an early interview, Daisuke said something along the lines of "I thought it was funny to draw a girl and call it a boy lol". They just saw how many troons were in the western scene, then applied that to Bridget.
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the whole purpose of these characters are to be gnc to an exaggerated degree. that's why they look like "draw a girl call it a boy", but they were always confidently men and only joked about looking like girls. that's why what happened to bridget was a shame. his whole backstory was just to have an excuse to have a cute boy in a nun dress. there was multiple times he looks closer to an androgynous boy like in picrel for example. daisuke himself even wanted gim to be a guy as a shock because just having a generic cute girl would've been boring. now he's backtracked to appeal to troons. truly tragic retcon of a beloved character. oh well atleast Japanese fanartist still treat him as a boy
One of his moves was literally charging his butt at his opponents, are you gonna defend that as well. >>290802
some people are hentai addicted pedophiles, I'm not.
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i hate what they did to testament too. i do like the new design, but it sucks that he's an enbie now. i would've been satisfied with just a re-hash of picrel and no weird gender shit.
craziest thing about it all is seeing how ferociously praised it was (and is) on social media. makes me feel incredibly gaslit, as do most things regarding the tra borg do these days.
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and yes, you have said this a million times. every time a trap is mentioned you fly into the thread and say the exact same shit you're saying now. you got red-texted twice in the gnc thread. maybe relax
this post >>290819
is advocating for your ban you nitwit
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you know what, i'm starting to think you're a troon yourself. why do you think looking feminine means being "essentially" female? does your intense hatred of traps stem from them disproving your trangenderism? you can't project on them like you want to? self-hating tranny, even?
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while sad, part of me is glad BlazBlue may never get a new game because after what happened to Testament and Bridget, the same could've been done with Amane. Also Testament being claimed nonbinary makes less sense to me because he's only sexless due to the affects of being turned a gear. its not some identity thing, he's just nullo
okay, now I know your some baiting moid(possibly a troon), I'm not the anti-trap fag but come on, you know that's not a feminine male character
it's textbook "draw a girl and call it a boy" the creator himself admitted it.
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Ryuji Ayukawa from Blue Period constantly gets trans accusations even though the manga outright calls him a crossdressing boy plus no where in the story does it ever indicate he hates being seen as a boy. too bad people misread parts of his story to make it seem like he has an identity crisis. the fan wiki has his gender blanked out and referred to with they/them throughout. It is incredibly ironic since he points out how other people like to jump to conclusions about him based soley off the way he likes to dress. he's bisexual yet assumed to just strictly be gay cause he crossdresses, or have people assume he wants to be a woman. there are fans who insist he's canonically transfem or nonbinary
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i viewed yuka's arc as an identity crisis tbh, i mean he does start using feminine pronouns for a bit…it ultimately develops as you said though, he realizes there's no one way for a man to look or behave and goes back to ore. or boku, whatever it was.
the character is actually very anti-trans in that respect but tras have the reading comprehension of a lobotomized duck.
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very probable projection on your part. get a grip already
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Vash is just a sad, sad case…
He's not your usual pretty anime boy, he's quite rough in appearance (talking about Trimax ofc), he's tall, very muscular, full of gross scars but has this "feminine" charm due to his long lashes, the beauty mark and the fact that his coat wraps at his waist, enhancing it, but aside from having a sweet tooth which is a female stereotype in Japan, nothing about him says Tim or butchered female. That's the whole fucking point of him, he has to contrast his brother, which is more ethereal, angelic looking but cruel. Tristamp zoomified him, putting the focus on his more gentle side (Where Trimax is goofier) and tifs swarmed him because teehee babygirl energy, fucking up his whole character just to self insert into him.
I doubt he was specifically made for female gaze but yeah he has an unique charm, tifs cling into his personality to trannify him because they have nothing else to work with. He's not a trap, nor a crossdesser, he's a gentle and quirky man and that translates to "woman" to tifs and woke artists. Sad. I agree most of the cuntboy stuff is fetish stuff but do you really think western tristamp artist will ever say that drawing pussies on him is a "fetish"? No, they say "transmasc Vash!!" and ofc being trans is not a fetish, don't be transphobic!!
Sorry I'm salty because they're butchering, quite literally, my husbando.
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>>291666>joke long ago about how Samus was inspired by "new-halves" or about "what if she was a new-half"
isn't it just >>291659
which is just a joke about nintendo games being very much exclusive to nintendo consoles, the idea of Samus being a troon is absurd as the idea of porting Metroid to Playstation basically
Newhalves get surgery though (I think only boob implants?)
A crossdresser just wears the clothes
I would absolutely love A/B/O if it was more like Left Hand Of Darkness and every character is technically able to get pregnant and impregnate.
Gonochorism was a mistake.
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newhalf is the Japanese equivalent to "shemale". that is because they're seen as half man half woman. wo(man) from the waist up, man on the bottom. >>291666
the poison from final fight thing is confusing but kinda? she had newhalf written on one of her early concept sheets. other sources said she's whatever you want her to be
I feel you anon, I feel that way about Testament even though they didn't "troon" him but they did make him "nOnBiNaRy" which is the same BS, just denouncing that he's not actually a man and I still don't accept that bullshit. Both Testament and Bridget were created as men and they always will be.
Bridget's story about trying to be masculine only to learn that he's fine just the way it is, that is what makes the troonification of him depressing because he really could've been a positive representation of a GNC male.
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>Love to have a dandy and fancy life-style free of fighting, something his clan is quite known for.
>Choose the way of art rather than fighting.
>Still, he's quite intelligent, can move people like puppets and hide himself with a "I don't know shit" mask.
>And even then, he's quite strong even if he doesn't use a sword/sable and he always carry a metal fan that can beat someone with.
>Is sorta common to see in some MDZS/CQL fic/fanart, he's a trans guy/non-binary sassy gay trans For the reasons I mention.
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what the fuck is wrong with succession fans
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Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't he canonically trans? I believe the writer of the game originally wanted to make a canon gay idol (not in a fujobait way) that was in denial about his homosexuality, so that idol decided to "behave more feminine" and adopt female pronouns. That's a very common reason for transition aside from autogynephilia. There are tons of gay homophobic men that believe they are women because they don't want to admit they are homosexual.
I don't think Arashi is transwashed at all, because him not being able to come to terms with his homosexuality and "feminine behaviour/hobbies" are a very important part of his character.
Not saying he is a woman, btw, I'm just saying he does struggle with his identity.
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>She has the same color of her father and she doesn't act "girly". Of course she is a MTF!!!
STFU, please STFU.
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isn't this a common trope in a lot of cartoon animal shows?
I have seen HC from Bluey being MTF or FTM, it makes me want to yell "let her be a kid, ffs".>>292856>>292857
Sageblog I know someone that project herself over him so much, like… You know is her prompt in a kink meme because is the same thing she rambles so much for Huaisang.
Sometimes I think these fans forget that Huaisang was trickier and intelligent enough to make Lan Xichen stab Jin Guangyao by ACTING. He wouldn't be dumb enough to act… in any way they want to and think is canon.
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The typical trope played straight is "girls look just like mom and boys just look like dad" but in [CURRENT YEAR] any attempt to subvert this trope (because genetics really do not work like this realistically) is considered "trans representation", it's insane. The most baffling part is that for all their insistence that sexual dimorphism "literally isn't real" but a "white supremacist colonialist construct" or whatever they sure love relying on it when it comes to their trans headcanons. I guess transvestigation is woke when troons do it.
Sure, but not all the time. I picked this picrel because it was the first example I could think of off the top of my head, but I've seen this trope even with more humanoid species hybrids, where the sons always look like their fathers who are usually less human-like and daughters always look like their mothers who are usually more human-like if not actually human.>Also there are colors only females can have, like calico and tortoiseshell.
When there's a male calico cat character because of the creators' ignorance on cat genetics but he's being troonwashed by fans…
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>>293314>"asian men are feminine" which is incredibly racist and ignorant
If Asian men are not into fighting, training, "many stuff" it means they're feminine and they're mtf. Or FTM, in Mulan's case.
There is a 1:3 ratio of female ginger cats to males because the gene is carried in the X chromosome. If a female cat that isn't orange, but carries the gene in either one of her X chromosomes, gives birth to a male kitten, there's always a 50% chance he'll inherit her ginger gene, but if the dad is not orange, there's no way any of the female kittens will be, as they need two copies of the gene to have that coat color as opposed to just one.
That's why two cats that don't have orange hair may produce male (and only male) ginger offspring.
Understanding of basic animal genetics by both creators and troon fans would be appreciated.>>293311>>293314
That's as racist as saying all black or Asian people look the same kek. They only understand physical differences when they compare with their own race (white) which they are familiar with. So they think darker skinned women = more masculine than white women, and shorter Asian men = more feminine than white men, while being completely blind to all the actual physical differences between men and women (and individuals) of each race. It's pure racist brainrot yet they claim it's progressive.
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star rail has a female character with color schemes of pastel pink, pastel blue and white so ofc trannies are saying that it's a win for transgirls and etc.
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they also claim that she's a transbian too
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Obviously it's unlikely Hoyoverse would ever be specifically pro-trans but anon… this is the company that made Honkai Impact, literally the gayest fucking gacha game in existence. At the very least, they love the 'LGB' part of the gays and keep trying to sneak lesbians past the chinese censors whenever they can I stg
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The whole thing I find annoying about this character is that she has a male counterpart in a prior game but he can be referred to as a male with he/him pronouns but yet with A, she has to be this "Agender" thing with no pronouns. And of course a certain group of xenoblade fans on twitter will find it a crime to refer to A as a woman or "she/her" pronouns. I kinda resent monolith soft for this, her design is really good, but they should have at least kept her as a woman just like her male self.
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This has probably already been mentioned in this thread, but I think that within the Team Fortress 2 fandom there are characters that are trooned more often than others, and they are certainly: Scout, Pyro and Sniper. Of the most common headcanons I found were:
1. Scout: "gay transmasc" with ADHD possibly because he is a white guy with a self-assured but insecure Jesse Pinkman-type personality.
2. Sniper: "transmac" and Asperger/Boderline, I don't know if fakebois are that stupid but many use those comic book autopsy scars as an allegory for top surgery. (For some reason fakebois relate a lot to these two and that's why they mirror themselves in them in a somewhat retarded and shameful way)
3. Pyro: for me it's definitely the worst of the three, headcanons are like "autistic xe/zir/zhem xenogender", honestly I'd rather it when it was theorized that Pyro was female than this kind of retarded Tumblr stuff .
I don't know why there are so many fakebois obsessed with this game, I think probably because it has only male characters.
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the autopsy scar thing is a (probably) a joke. I think the real origin of this connection comes from the fact he's not a 'true' Australian.
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Seen it happen to him. No character is safe.
There's many theories
I think it's a mix of autism, low self esteem, and believing that if you like "boy things" or relate to males you must be a male too
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I love princess jellyfish and i hate it when they turn a gender non-confirming characters into a tranny. Kuranosuke is not trans coded nor canonically trans, he’s just a cross dresser. I hate seeing ugly TIMs on twitter claim he’s trans
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enstarries are notorious for this shit, it annoys the fuck out of me when people troonify mayoi just because hes a feminine man with long hair along with other characters like hajime. i keep seeing people use she/her on him and it just makes me rage inside. they need to leave my beautiful man alone. its getting worse because happyele keeps giving him very feminine outfits like picrel and they use it as fuel for the fire
though if he was a tranny i could definitely see him as an agp kek
that anon said it already but futa yuri exists, usually in the context of abo
also some women are bisexual/enjoying pegging kek
I feel you anon, Shu is a common victim
too and he’s my favorite. God forbid a man likes sewing and is a little bit of a fag.
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>BLuey gets mad if she's confused as a guy
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I remember I saw a trans porn art of them. Why would you want to make Gomez as TIF (so only women can be romantic with their partner?) and Morticia as TIM (she's a woman, she gave birth three times. She can be feminine and weird just like that).
Have anyone read the manga of Hell's paradise? I bet as soon as the anime show certain villains (if they haven't already), these people are soooooooo going to lash their trans canons over them, even if the villains are not human at all.
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Of course it has to be Link and not Zelda.
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The fucking irony of being called "transvestite" by the woman character and being called "it".
Anyway, calling "good troon character" is a massive cope. He's drawn clearly like a man in drag, for example Milly and Meryl have a totally different style. His figure is like how Vash would look if he wore makeup and wore ill-fitting women clothes. Hell, sometimes even Vash and his twin brother Knives are more "feminine" than Elendira. Seeing troons saying that Elendira is a good representation is telling on themselves: he's clearly a man in drag, who dies in a terrible way, his dead body then is used to taunt and emotionally black mail Vash. I wont be proud, if I was in TIMs.
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Just look at this. This is Vash. His eyes are big, he's expressive, almost cute. He's more feminine than Elendira in some shots, giving off the same energy as Milly and Meryl so yeah, Nightow drew a clear man wearing women clothes when going for Elendira and troons are too stupid to realize that lol. Elendira never gets "cute" nor he's even drawm as a woman, which Nightow draws in a distinct style. Elendira is always evil, with a sinister look, highlighting his clearly male face shape.
That's a L.
Sorry I go full autistic when talking about Trigun because it's one of my all time favs and the recent anime attracted too many troons and I'm so tired of them. I wish there was a space when this shit is not condoned, because right now the only places you can discuss Trigun in are discord, tranny pandering, servers and old forum threads are dead.
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Bonus: Vash being creeped out by Elendira, calling him a "he" and "it" and saying "he's dangerous, in every category you can think of." God, at this point I'm thinking that they should've kept Elendira a troon and make Vash say this but I know that in 2023 you can predict how that shit will go.
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Snufkin isn’t a tranny.
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thank you for the edit!>>298312
agreed, here's an edit to fix that
I didn't know the tail was a fandom thing. I always thought it was a different Snufkin.>>298324
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I can't take it anymore, how did this happen?
Please nona, watch it. Even the source doesn't like troons lol see here >>297638
Stampede fans are just massively coping.
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they're already claiming Gwen Stacey.
hate to say it but I think this one counts as canon. canon transwashing is even more repulsive than fanon because at least the latter can be contestable but what can you even expect from western media at this point>>300261
…what TIF willingly calls herself woman?
>>300257>protect trans kids
Well, guess I'm not seeing this movie.>>300282
Trannies hate it when a TIM character is voiced by an actual male, though, usually in positive depictions of TIMs they hire a female voice actor.>the whole thing with the dad accepting his daughter can also be a metaphor for being gay or different,
That's true but trannies think the only way you can struggle with your identity and have arguments with your parents about it, trying to get them to accept you, is if you identify as another gender. They're incapable of imagining any other kind of personal struggle.
it's crazy how much shit changed since the original films release. I'm just gonna pirate the movie like I do most films if anything.>>300282>I dont think adding a poster in the bg means she’s canon trans
The father had the troon flag on his coat. This shit has to be canon.
Sucks that Gwen is implied to be a tranny but kek that makes Miles gay as fuck.
As a counter, what tranny only has a "protect trans kids" flag? That's a libfem tranny handmaiden thing. If she was actually meant to be a tranny she would have had the regular tranny flag and they would have tried to show off a blahaj tranny shark in the background somewhere. I'm going to choose to believe that the Stacy's have a confused child relative that thinks they're the opposite sex and they're being diehard liberals about it.
I haven't seen the movie yet but is it wrong to assume it's because her dad doesn't know she's spiderwoman? also gwen would be a pro TR
A handmaiden now that I think about it
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sigh…. first leon now him
this is funny because I've seen people complain the a trans character should have a trans VA .
Since it isnt a TIM himself but an actual woman, it doesn't feel as authentic lol
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roman roy being a 5ft6 manlet with an implied eating disorder means tifs love claiming hil as one of their own
Since supporting the poor oppressed trans "women" is more progressive and more of a novelty than supporting actual women, they're choosing to represent them instead of us.
It just shows how the media never really cared about women and only about seeming like good guys to their audience.
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Spidergwen is now "literally canonical trans"
Need a bold autist to start mass producing art of him detransitioned into a normal twink
It's insane how we're at the point where a tranny has been inserted into every other mainstream piece of western media lately. And it's only making normies hate them more kek My favorite part will always be when they only make tack it on as a vague irrelevant detail in order to easily censor it out for da chinx and arab releases.
At this point I think discussion of this movie should be moved to the Woke Media thread.>>300464
Saddest part about this is that they probably won't care about the backlash unless it comes from coomer males who fap to Gwen.
Same. Disappointing. Western media in general has gotten so bad and if you dare speak up against it, you get labeled a homophobe, despite actual gay people being different from trannies. i hate them so much, it's unreal. >>300457
I hate America so much. As someone who grew up with comics as a kid, this is so beyond awful. I feel bad for kids growing up in today's state of madness
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I watched a pirated version of the movie and Towards the end of the movie, as gwen is having an argument with his father about being Spider-Woman, the colors change into the tranny flag. And then there's this other part during the beginning when Jessica Drew, the pregnant Spider-Woman, mentions that she and the father of the child haven't learned the baby's sex yet, to which Gwen responds, 'Can you adopt me?'.
It's not outright confirmed but I think they fr made this character a troon. They're reaallly leaning into it kek.
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Sorry for incoming Voltron autism.
I've got a feeling they're not gonna have the balls to outright confirm it, and thus I won't take it as canon. It's 2023, if they wanted they could outright say "Yeah Gwen's a tranny", but of course they would be scared of the backlash and trannies are so retarded they will eat up any crumbles they can get.
Joaquim Dos Santos, one of the directors from the movie, was an executive producer in Voltron, and everything remotely woke in the show was almost 100% fan theories he encouraged to get a high viewership but never confirmed anything. There were were people that believed Keith was Korean and Dos Santos would always deflect the subject (even the Voltron guide book is ambiguous about it, the rest of the characters have their ethnicity stated and Keith is simply described as "human"), and so he did the same with the Klance ship.
I can see how the tranny Gwen thing could have been accidental, but they will let twitter run with this theory to get brownie points without risking angering the rest of the fans.
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Those colors are the bisexual flag, not the tranny flag.
If the creators made her a genderspecial themlet I'd lol just because it would piss off the AGPs.
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lol thats why I was calling it bi lighting. also here's the apparent pride flag on her dad's coat since that other scene is being used as absolute proof. and I agree with this nonna >>300804
. seeing how voltron panned out, this just feels like really well done troonbait. they'll never outright confirm it to be canon not to piss off certain fans, but still allow troon fans to dwelve into it thinking it could be true while leaving it ambiguous
Just got back from the theater and sorry to say, but that nona just posted a picture of the bisexual lighting (which Is in that scene, but the colours and shades of paint are always changing in the backdrop of Gwen's universe) while talking about tranny flag backdrop colours, instead of posting the tranny flag backdrop colour (which ARE Also in that scene).
For quite a few prolonged seconds at the most climactic part of Gwen's speech. It's very blatant but then once again, just colours. I almost rolled my eyes but idc because I feel they will never confirm it.
also just got back from watching,
honestly didn't seem that blatant imo. in Gwen's universe the colors change based off her emotions, so it's really just other TiMs that make a mountain out of a molehill about the colors. of course to THEM, they think it's a trans thing. mass majority of normies don't immediately think of them when they see pink, white, and blue color hues. the only thing that's obvious is the "protect trans kids" flag in her room that is a blink and a miss moment if you're not paying that much attention, but tbh her struggles can be relatable to all kind of people so I don't understand why make it a trans analogy specifically anyways. I wouldn't worry too much about it nonna. they're only sperging cause it's pride month and think everyone needs to pay more special attention to them this year due to alleged "genocide" happening. overall, it didn't make me enjoy the movie any less.
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This is a guy in her sister's body. It's one of the main plot points in the series, this guy trying to find the doctor who did this to her sister (basically they both died as children, the sister suffered brain injuries while the brother lost half of his body so the doctor of the story transplanted his brain to her body to keep kinda both of them alive). He has frequent thoughts about this, he thinks he stole her body and has some difficulties as viewing that as his own now and often asks the other protagonist if he sees him as a guy or a girl. Guess how trannies took it, of course it's a trans allegory, right?
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A guy not being a stereotypical dudebro makes him a troon? I can buy him being bi but him having long hair doesn't make him enby or whatever.
Being trans or better, dysphoria is a medical condition that starts from deep within, nona, and it's a choice.
This character didn't want to swap his body nor wants to get his old one back, he's stuck in a limbo and he's trying to accept his new body (because it looks a bit different, for example the hair color is reddish when he and his sister had black hair) and accept his sister's death. He can still feel her faint memories, but his main goal is not to revert back, his goal is to find out what the fuck happened to the whole of humanity when they were killed and what is happening in the current time. He doesn't mind that body because it's a female body, he finds it weird because it's his sister's body. No tranny will tell you to accept your body, in fact, that's the basic of tranny ideology. He doesn't talk about mental disorders or anything, so let's not support trannies into thinking that being trans means not liking your body in some minor way. Unless a character talks about hormones, binding, tucking and mental disorders, they're not trans.
She's not even a troon, anon. Saw the movie yesterday and nowhere does it say she's a troon. The background changes to match the colors of her costume (which unfortunately happens to be troon colors) because she's having hangups about her identity as Spider-Woman and her father not listening to her. Those are generic teen vs parent conflict problems, not tranny problems.
If anything the movie has an anti-troon message given Gwen runs away from her father and her 'family of choice' are 99% bad, manipulative people and she eventually has to go back to her dad and reconcile with him.
A pro-troon story would have painted the parent as completely evil for not "accepting" their child's mental illness.
being transgender is an identity thing thats held in the belief that everyone has an internal sense of gender identity (whatever thats duppose to men) and that it can match or misallign with birth sex. the dissociation of body and mind can lead to heavy distress which is to why some choose medical or social transition in the first place. anyone can be diagnosed with gender dysphoria but not necessarily be trans.
to go back to what your talking about, genderbend or bodyswap stuff in anime is often reffered to as TSF or "transsexual fiction". Its a fictionalized/ literal sex change thats why. 9 times out of 10, the stories revolve around a guy suddenly gaining a female body, the guys in the stories just deal with the fact that that's their life now and they can't get their og body back. once they get used to it, the thought of being male again either makes them conflicted or uncomfortable. the fact that some of those characters seem happier in their female bodies and would rather continue living on as such than go back living as males is why it's seen as trans. charcter no longer identifies with their initial body/gender = trans. it's fiction and because of that, a character can technically be considered trans even if it's sex swap done via magic/science experiment/pill/potion etc. on the other side, if they do still think of themselves as their original gender despite the physical body change, then they aren't trans
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No idea if there's any trekkie nonnas around here (I feel like I'm in dire need of a Star Trek thread because online Trek discussion is either moid or TIF dominated) but I really have started to dislike the character of Jadzia Dax solely because people go "she is literally a trans woman".
They use the argument that her species (weird symbiotic space worm/host) makes her a tranny because previous hosts of her symbionts were male. There's other DS9 and general Trek characters they latch onto but Jadzia is arguably one of the worst cases. I try not to be bitter about retarded fandom shit but troons in fandom really suck the joy out of some things for me.
Sadly modern Star Trek loves to please the troons and retcons the shit out of established canon to make it more tranny friendly. They actually call you transphobic if you say you don't like it, kek.
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That's the case. He's like wearing a costume he can't get out of, but yet doesn't express discomfort in his new body. She's not a girl who thinks as herself as a man, he's a boy in a girl's body because he was artificially put in. In the plot, he's glad that she saved him by sacrificing herself, yet he's sad because that means not seeing her anymore. His discomfort is in that particular feeling, it doesn't revolve their body because it's a female body. In the latest chapters, he accepts that and says "Me and my sister are okay now." Meaning that he believes that his two people, walking together. I would call them "they" because they're two.
Aside from transness not having a scientific fundamental basic because gender is not a thing, what I meant is that, at least in fiction, if a character doesn't talk about trans only things (which are hormones and stuff to bind your body) they're not trans, period. Gender dysphoria is a thing, being trans is a choice, using tranny logic that choose to alter their body, this character in particular didn't choose for themselves. Nothing makes a character trans, unless the filthy eyes of someone who projects into them.
you are making him look too good and deep. He's the author's fetish, a siscon who masturbates to his dead sister's beat up body.
Idk why you're wasting time trying to analyse the incarnation of the author's wet dream.
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It’s not like trans people own pastel colours, but I have to mention this, I’m pretty sure gwen’s world’s colours are inspired by her comic which is mostly pink and purple and the painting style is inspired by the covers, picrel is from 2016
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Ofc, still not trans nor tranny-coded with stuff like picrel. that's the point lmao, kiruko might not be that deep but for sure she's not made for trannies and viewing her as such makes trannies look tone deaf, not that normally they aren't but they'll reach for anything huh
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speaking of cringe shit by the same artist
Makes absolutely no sense, but again none of them do. I feel they simply pick the character they like and try shoving them into this. I am pretty tired of seeing Leon drawn with a pussy too.>>300996
I see they got tired of bullying graha.
It doesn't escape my notice that this "representation" is easy to edit out for the Chinese market. I feel like this is just the creators trying to start online culture war drama as a means of getting free advertising. Companies have been doing that so
much lately:>Small, meaningless, hollow gesture of support for some kind of woke idpol thing>Reactionaries online chimp out about it>Liberals chimp out at reactionaries and buy the consoomer garbage as a "show of support">News outlets report on it>Company gets a ton of free advertising after doing literally nothing>Nothing of value is accomplished
I'm done participating in this shit. I'm just going to intentionally ignore the companies doing this shit.
Nona I would love a trek thread to discuss all trek related things, good or bad, especially because nutrek has attracted tifs and the most insufferable perverted tims (jessiegender.) I can't even lurk twitter for K/S because it is filled with t4t Spock and Kirk. Just because a dude has big pecs does not mean those were once boobs! I've seen people claim Seven of Nine, Data, Tuvok, Sulu, Riker, Barclay, Garak and Q be trans or nonbinary of sorts, and to be honest it is obvious they headcannon that because those characters might show the slightest bit of flamboyance. Don't they understand that in the future, gender roles will be completely ignored, so there will be no societal urge to transition if one is considered an "egg" for being too "fem" or "masc"?
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Ugh, thank you nonnie
, I was just thinking about this. I don't understand why people are so determined to make her fit into a trans allegory or just label her as being trans in general when Dax is a genderless slug in a female host body.
Pic related being cherry picked and constantly used as an example of trans allyship when the Klingons spend the rest of the episode comparing Jadzia to Curzon and insulting her because she's a woman, which they view as being inferior.
Don't dislike Jadzia because the trans headcanons, dislike her because she's a bit boring and is fumbled by the writers the whole series.
I'd love to make a thread but I sadly have no idea how to or where to start. But yeah, DS9 is my favourite Trek show and the fandom spaces for it are just so saturated with tranny crap. People literally go around saying "Um, Jadzia and Bashir are canon trans," because the TiMs think a hot "girldick" alien is literally them, and the TiFs all project onto Bashir because they headcanon him as so autistic and kind, just like them!
Hilarious DS9 has one of the best trans episodes in modern Television "Profit and Lace". Quark troons out out of convenience and even gets a full sex change. Trannies hate that episode because it proves that in Star Trek a concept like "transgender" is redundant, since you can alter your body surgically any way you like anyway. Also the episode just points out how misogynistic Ferengi society is instead of affirming Quark as brave and stunning, kek. I'm sorry for your lack of K/S, nonna! I personally know some terfy/GC trek fan creators but they're all very subtle about it. Hope you can find some troon-free content!>>301107
Yeah, I actually prefer Ezri over Jadzia, because she has more of a personality in my opinion. It helps that people see her as lesbian (despite her fucking Bashir) or genderspecial (not as bad as TiM) and mostly ignore her in fan content. Aside from making her the evil Yaoi female in Garak/Bashir fics, of course.
Also now I want to muse about how the various Trek aliens would treat 21th century human tranners. Bet Klingons would call trannies honorless targs…
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Hello nonnas I present to you a plausible theory that debunks the "gwen is trans" narrative and actually makes more sense in retrospect:
Earth 65 peter was trans and the flags in the stacy house honor his(/her?) memory
>gwen is confident with who she is while peter parker is bullied for unknown reasons
>peter becomes something else to escape the struggle to fit in
>Implied there was a side gwen did not know about him till later
>Lines up with gwen AND her dad having the flag to honor the loved one's memory after death (as some kind of anti-bullying message maybe? idk)
>also makes sense cause gwen in general has negative opinions on secrets like with her past friendship
The "gwen is trans" theory didn't made sense in my head cause w/ twitter's logic any story about identity is just a trans allegory. This is about her identity as a secret crime-fighter not gender dysphoria. Also if the arguing scene with her dad was supposed to be her "coming out" why wouldnt he already accept her? he proudly wears that trans flag on his uniform (and already has the flag in her ROOM). Why would she need to hide from someone who would accept her??
and plus- there was more then just pink/white/blue in that scene, it changes every shot. Dark blue and pink (more like purple tbh) are just colors representing her sadness. Pink/white/blue is also in the scene where gwen's dad thinks she murdered her peter, does that also mean some allegory too??
Also lmao @ the people being shot down on twitter who even mention this theory just cause it's not about gwen.
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YWNBAW (bump for cp)
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So Howl must be a tranny because…?
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They've never read a book in their lives, so they don't understand that Link and Ganon are supposed to be like David and Goliath. The whole point is that Link is a little guy; his power comes from Farore the goddess of courage, not from his actual physical body. Many cultures have some sort of myth where triumph over adversity is represented as a small hero defeating a large enemy. There's a lot of minor dialogue in both BotW and TotK where people underestimate Link or don't believe that he's the famous hero because he's so humble and unassuming. Link is also specifically modeled after Peter Pan visually, so that's part of why he's feminine and neotenous. Not to mention that more recent Zelda games have clearly been trying to court female audiences by making Link cuter and cuter with each generation. TL;DR they have many reasons to depict Link as he is, and gender shit isn't one of them.
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Kiri was transwashed but the point is these girls are like "TMAM you cisoid!"
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This isn't even a good genderswap design
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I don't even know where to begin
>>302298>I am also very comfortable with my body and my femininity
Yet has to call herself a guy because she's triggered
by the thought of being a girl/woman. Interesting>>302304
People like this have got to be ironic.
SA yes great write up anon. I always thought TLoZ series as a retelling of myths as opposed to the immediate now and can definitely see the David and Goliath allusion. >>302331
I also remember the devs saying that botw Link was designed with the female playerbase in mind, giving him androgynous features so we could identify with him better. Ofc TiFs hear this and think that means he's confirmed troon