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>>>/ot/930240Share updates, personal experiences, vent, etc. No sperging from "we're all gonna die, get the 100th shot" and "It's all a conspiracy I'm not gonna get chipped" but nothing will stop these tards.
WHO:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reportsCDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.htmlSome twitter account with a lot updates:
https://twitter.com/bnodeskTorrent for Survival PDFs in case you want to go full doomer mode: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9889a43717fd93c95993552f817ced652a74e63e&dn=Survival%20Guide%20PDFs%20%5B8.1.2019%20Update%5D
No. 1005057
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>>1004741Replying to anon from last thread.
It's actually the most effective so far. Funny how traditional vax tech was all but abandoned in the mainstream yet works the best lol
2 doses of novavax was also shown to be more effective against omicron + other variants of interest than the shitty mRNA shots.
No. 1005133
I am now considered fully vaccinated, and hopefully my employer doesn't start requiring any boosters. I didn't get any dreaded second shot side effects, so it seems like my immune system is as best as it can be.
Boosters are not going to prevent you from getting sick. They are just injecting you with the same shit anyways. All boosters are going to do is give you less severe symptoms. You're still going to carry the virus regardless of how you feel. If you generally don't have a weakened immune system, you're fine. I even think majority of us would be fine with one instead of two initial shots. Also, especially at this point with the variants becoming weaker and weaker, there's less of a chance of getting any long-haul effects.
Speaking of immune systems, drink more water, get an adequate amount of sleep, and get at least 30 minutes of light exercise at least once a week. Look up several vegetables, meats, and fruits that contain higher amounts of different vitamins and try to incorporate one or more of those ingredients in your meals or as snacks, whenever you can, whatever is possible, and what's affordable to you. I'm not trying to say we need to eat less "bad" foods. You can still eat a burger and fries, but enjoy that burger and fries with some broccoli or spinach along with it. Take care of your bodies, feeling better is what every anon needs. The vaccine is becoming less effective with the variants so it's starting to boil down to how we're taking care of our bodies.
No. 1005148
>>1005057>>1004741To add to this anon, I am personally very happy with the protection my vaccine of choice gave me. I took Sinopharm, also a traditional vaccine made with the old svirus strain. No bad side effects except for a slightly sore arm. Didn't get any variant of covid (or at least not symptomatic), while people that took modern vaccines got the delta. Had the option of choosing a different booster but thought why change what works so got it for the third shot too.
Traditional vaccines seem like a particularly good choice for those that are worried about potential side effects of modern ones, it's high time more people got that option.
No. 1005251
>>1005079>>1005105The State will bully you into getting a booster, if you don't get the third vaccine dose your "green pass" will cease to be
valid after 6 months and you won't be able to participate in the typical social life of people.
-Anon in Italy
No. 1005575
>>1005295They will just continue with the same restrictions and rules but will slowly switch the issue to climate change when covid stops selling. For example, you're only allowed to do xyz as far as your personal carbon footprint allows you to, so there's a bunch of new measures to strictly monitor what you buy, what you use, how you work, what you do and where you go etc etc, which is easy to implement through the already introduced QRcodes that people got warmed up to showing everywhere they go. If you resist, you get the same social pressure, restrictions and loss of rights a certain current group already got a taste of but it will be harder to get out of it, so the pressure is even worse.
So in short, a social credit system.
>inb4 tinfoilSee you in a decade.
No. 1005606
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I arrived to my home country on christmas eve and couldn't post my day 0-2 PCR test until today reee, I feel like a damn fugitive going for a 15 minute walk at 9pm.
Also, I experienced a bit of a COVID culture shock coming to the UK. Maybe it's because in my current country I'm used to all covid stuff being standardised by the government, one information poster that you should get vaccinated, keep distance etc etc. It goes on the bus stops, the front of shops etc, town squares, there's no variation.
Here though, there were signs above the roads saying "COVID 19 - GET THE BOOSTER", at the bus stop there are posters of sick people, guilt tripping galore, shit like pic related. The radio talks about it non stop. In the 2 hour drive home I didn't hear a non covid talking point. Actually being mired in this is helping me understand my british friends' mindset, who freaked when I said I was getting drinks with coworkers outdoors and didn't like the fact I was flying over to see my family for christmas after skipping it last year. Funnily enough though, they believed the government when the "just a flu" rhetoric was going around and UK was still open at the beginning despite having higher case numbers than mainland europe. I was called paranoid for wearing a mask. Bear in mind, this was when the answer to literally every question on covid was "idk, but should be OK, don't panic lol", so nobody knew how transmissible, how lethal and what the long term effects really were because the thing wasn't even done getting around the world.
It feels like they're brainwashed, but maybe they have this inferiority complex because the british government has been so incompetent and messy with this shit. Like the messages from different british authorities are conflicting to the point it's impossible to know what to do. When speaking to an authority on the phone they give very canned answers unless you know enough to ask they very niche questions. They don't offer a solution, they just say "no can't do that" unless I say "but what if I do this specific thing?", then they say "oh yeah, then you can do that". Mess!
My poor friend has been working from home, completely stuck inside for 2 whole years minus going to the shops because he lives with his grandparent, I can absolutely understand his anger and resentment, but aims it at every person on his level for not doing the same as him, instead of righfully blaming the government.
No. 1005621
I was grossed out by the opinion of a coworker. There was a vote to mandate the vaccine not long ago, and he said "i'm voting for it, it doesn't matter for me because i'm already vaccinated". Completely foregoing that when he got his, he actually had the choice. It just seems so shitty and self centred.
Additionally, I was complaining about the mixed messages and restrictions with another coworker, and how they're so reactive instead of proactive, and should've went hard on the restrictions initially to cut numbers. He agreed, then went on to say all restrictions are bullshit and they should do away with all restrictions and if people die, they die. He's vaccinated so he's fine. My opinion on it was just that the government have set a shitty precedent and should've handled it differently.
Unbelievably shitty and self centred takes all around tbh, very much a "fuck you, got mine" mindset. I'm not friends with these scrotes, but it's kind of shocking that they have the gall to speak these opinions aloud.
No. 1005932
>>1005840I had an aunt and uncle catch it a couple weeks before Christmas. My uncle didn’t want to get vaccinated and it got him pretty bad compared to another relative that had covid after being vaxxed.
>>1005922Anon, most Americans don’t even go to the doctor unless they are having an emergency or need to for work reasons.
No. 1005963
>>1005946This is the first time I ever mentioned doctors on lolcow
>>1005951Yes, because never in history have women used the phrase "your daughters"
No. 1006041
>>1006030Explain. anon you're fucking creepy and always read like a scrote. Stop it.
>>1006032Shit bait
No. 1006047
>>1006011A neighbour of mine died around the 15th, I don't know if he had the new strain or not. That's the third death on my street since it started.
I didn't hear much Christmas fuss from neighbours yesterday and I had a moment where I felt stupid for momentarily forgetting why. Some were having their first shitty grief Christmas. I'm quiet here every year because I lost someone years ago to cancer and I can't get into Christmas since. So I'm usually just overhearing others celebrating.. not this year. Didn't hear a peep. I had this feeling of suddenly fitting in but it wasn't a good feeling.
No. 1006080
>>1006074Becareful anon they'll call you a scrote too for asking for an explanation instead of ignoring or fighting because that's what real women do apparently
It is seriously eyebrow raising why a scrote would complain about the medical industry since 4chan scrotes seem to repeatedly side with and defend doctors if anything. I swear to go there's a bot here just calling people scrotes for things that scrotes definitely wouldn't do kek. Don't know a single scrote who would call out pedophiliac pediatricians but I know plenty of women who will
No. 1006112
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Can we discuss chicken soup? What do you think the ideal chicken soup would be? I'm trying to think up of all the supposedly beneficial foods you can eat when you are sick to put into a soup. So maybe some turmeric, some garlic and ginger, some chili paste and a squeeze of lemon. More Asian inspired than picrel, I wonder if it would taste good.
No. 1006126
>>1006112My go to chicken soup recipe is
-roast chicken
-lots of garlic
-leek
-shallots
-celeriac
-fennel
-white wine
No. 1006242
>>1006112i'm mexican american and i'm just going off my grandma's recipe. it has the simplest ingredients. chicken, garlic, potatoes, carrots, corn, celery, onions, a bit of olive oil, salt, pepper… serve with a side of tortillas, bread roll, or a little bit of roasted broccoli. you can omit a couple ingredients like potatoes and whatnot and it'll still be good. i also like to add egg noodles if they're around.
No. 1006272
Has anyone else seen this Reddit post of the doctor who quit because Q Anon family members of unvaccinated COVID patients are mad they aren't giving the patients vitamins?
https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/rakxun/my_career_of_treating_patients_has_ended/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmfAs we all know, Reddit is the home of That Happened. I decided to look at this user's post history. All of their posts are in QAnonCasualties. I also noticed how up until about 3 months ago, this person never mentioned they were a doctor who treats COVID patients. A few months ago, they made a comment saying "I spoke to a doctor for you…" but anything before that had nothing. I searched for anything earlier indicating they could be a doctor, but nothing. The only other subreddits they commented in were only 5 posts early on in AskReddit. For someone to make a Reddit account 10 months ago just to post in QAnonCasualties and it took them 7 months to start letting through the cracks they were a doctor? Not even hints they are going into the field? It doesn't seem plausible to me. Usually someone would let that out within the first 5 comments made.
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>>1006310You think it's selfish for people to not want to take an experimental vaccine?
Clinical trials are still going on, so it's still considered an experiment.
I came across this Harvard Ethics article from 2013. A very interesting read despite it being just a synopsis of another article.
https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/risky-drugs-why-fda-cannot-be-trusted#enref-10 No. 1006440
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>>1006435They'll never post proof.
I try to post informative articles here all the time and they never get any responses.
Isn't it hilarious how Australia has had the toughest restrictions and a 76% vaccination rate, but they are still experiencing an all time high of cases? I'll never get over how they changed the definition of "vaccine" to fit the narrative.
No. 1006445
>>1006425Your mom is one of those stupid people in zombie films.
Tell her either she can tell them or you're telling them, this isn't a debate, if they've caught it and go visit an elderly person that gets sick then blood is on her hands just because she was too embarrassed to tell them
No. 1006446
>>1006440+ There was a whistle blower site of almost 200 VERIFIED healthcare workers saying the complete opposite yet magically anons come out of the word work with anecdotes about how they're healthcare workers and it's totally antivaxxers being hauled into hospitals and given oxygen and everyone has COVID and false positive tests totally aren't a problem and conspiracy theorists are evil even though every thing they say has been coming true?
http://www.covidvaccineinjuries.com/covid-vaccine-stories/compilation-frontline-whistleblower-stories/Anons - I'm
>>1006250 . post your medical license/employment license with a timestamp, obviously block out your name and location and I'll post mine. No downplaying anyones role either as long as if you work directly with patients
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>>1006446See picrel. I think a lot of doctors and healthcare workers are scared of losing their license if it's found out that they are speaking ill of the vaccines.
Also keep in mind that hospitals are still receiving extra $$$ if patients are treated for COVID. They have that financial incentive to keep COVID going so they can get more funding.
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>>1006465I wish hospitals would be transparent with this data. Important factors to know are:
1. What is the method of verifying vaccination status? Is it self-report or do they take from a database
2. What were the reasons people were admitted to the hospital in the first place
3. What areas of the hospital are they testing? Is it all patients, or patients in certain wards
4. How are they measuring hospital capacity? Is it amount of beds or amount of staff?
5. Which wards are they measuring capacity? Is it the entire hospital, or just ICU?
6. When people die, what was their primary cause of death? Was it directly from COVID, or was it "with" COVID? The CDC says only about 5% of deaths were from COVID itself. For the others, people had an average of 4 other co-morbidities that may have also contributed to their death.
No. 1006595
>>1006554The point was to get as many people vaccinated so pharmaceutical companies can make as much money as possible.
The government doesn't care about you, me, or your family. They care about themselves and their profits and will stop at nothing to make sure they are comfortable while the rest of the world struggles.
No. 1006613
>>1006607Not to mention all of the "conspiracy" theories became real. Vaccine passports and mandates, microchips, and quarantine camps are things that are happening right now.
These pharmaceutical companies have nothing to lose. They make governments give them immunity from liability if the governments want to distribute the vaccines in their country. Again, pharmaceutical companies have no negatives and only positives from this pandemic.
I find it so funny how people hate on CEO's and corporations for making ridiculous amounts of money, but no one is making a peep about pharma's profits.
It's even worse how they are profiting from our tax dollars rather than consumers buying directly from them. At least people have a choice whether to buy from Amazon or not. We have no choice or say in what governments spend our taxes on.
No. 1007240
>>1007183But (almost) everyone
will get it eventually, just like most people get the cold or flu at some point in their lifetime. That's just a fact.
No. 1007242
>>1004812I tested positive and 5 days in of symptoms I feel awful. So much ache and fever, I feel so fucking weak. I had the first vaccine but not the booster.
Just hear to cry since it’s 4 am and no one’s up.
At least my aunt is a nurse and is checking on me remotely, but it’s still scary.
No. 1007267
>>1007262Thanks
nonnie, that really helps!
No. 1007269
>>1007264>people cave in even if they don't want themNo, it's not people that are caving, it's businesses. They want to keep operating and not get fined so they play along.
As a citizen and customer, I don't even have a choice. I can either show my qr code or stay home.
No. 1007278
>>1007273Yeah, I have no issue with that.
I had to swallow quinine tablets against malaria every day twice a day for years when I lived at the equator. No mask, no vaccine, no measures they introduce will ever be nearly as unpleasant as having to take those tablets. The bitterness still makes me shudder.
No. 1007294
>>1006441By protesting it and circumventing it, even if it's by illegal means and help your family and friends to do the same. Not to please the internet (or whatever you meant by that) but because you don't agree with the mandates. The mindset you mentioned is what allows it to go on forever. Doing nothing and saying "it can't be helped" even though you know it's wrong won't make them magically stop, in contrary.
In my country the media is now trying to frame the dissenting as "a tiny minority" because "only" 100k people are protesting on demos country-wide out of the millions of the population, therefore everyone else must agree with all the bullshit.
No. 1007304
>>1007294I don't agree with blaming individuals who just want to be able to live their life close to normal and keep their job, family and friends. Saying that someone's mindset is what allows a government to keep up with their bullshit is
victim-blaming at best and is not going to encourage support or change.
No. 1007313
>>1007304You think constantly being held at gunpoint unless you do whatever retarded mandate the government feels like, for the rest of your lufe, is normal?
How is anything going to change if the affected do nothing and comply with every unjust measure? How is telling people they do have power "
victim blaming"?
No. 1007365
>>1007317>have shown to reduce those requiring hospitalisation and becoming deadIf you count one-time vaccinated, patients of unknown status (which makes 70% in my city) and people who have been fully vaccinated under 2 weeks before getting hospitalized as unvaccinated.
>The more people that follow the measures the quicker it will be to contain the fucking virus. How, if you keep spreading it and getting it despite being vaccinated? People here have taken and fullfilled all requirements, ICUs are still not at full capacity and "collapsing", unvaccinated are still not mass dying, the vaccination rate is over what the government required to lift restrictions and they now just put the goalpost to a higher percentage, the incidence is what they wish and yet, we're still getting another lockdown and more insane restrictions & blackmail because muh omicron. It spreads so super duper fast and we totally can't possibly know how bad it affects people, so be sure to take another 3 boosters of the variant from early 2020. I don't know how much more bullshitting it takes for you to admit that none of this is out of worry for citizens.
>Liberties aren't being takenYeah, you just loose your job, your income, your right to enter any building, your right to study, your right to use public transportation and some insane politicians here are already advocating that you loose your right to rent too if you don't take the shitty vaxx.
No. 1008116
>>1007451Post one example.
Real question is, why does China have only 100k cases total, but USA already has over 800k deaths? Why does all of China have fewer new daily cases than single states in Australia? Are Americans & Australians really that stupid, careless & reckless to spread a deadly disease just to have their fun? Sadly it seems the answer is yes
No. 1008270
>>1007262>>1007242Hey beautiful people, just wanted to update, my fever broke earlier this morning, and I think I might be on the upswing of it now. It took about 6-7 days in total to get to this point. I might go for a walk, obviously far away from anyone and do some yoga. I’m so relieved it didn’t get worse. I know there’s infighting, but I’m on the fence about getting the booster.
Anyone care to share educational sources to help me navigate this? Not looking for opinion pieces.
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I feel like a lot more celebrities and elites are anti vax than a lot of people think. Nicki Minaj was banned from Twitter for telling people to get the vaccine if they are comfortable, how in living hell does that not scream propaganda?
Can someone make picrel make sense for me? On what planet is an unvaccinated but disease free nurse more dangerous than a vaccinated nurse with COVID? It's unbelievable people don't think there's anything shady at all
No. 1009390
>>1009300Lolcow global rule number 1
>Do not say, do or threaten to do anything illegal under United States law.You're skirting close to a ban
No. 1010578
>>1006112>homemade stock (leftover bones and/or the cheapest chicken parts in your area- at least a package of feet recommended for collagen, leek, carrot, fresh parsley, celery or chopped celeriac, bay leaf, onion, garlic, dried shiitake, a bit of fresh thyme if you want, a slice or two of ginger, vinegar or lemon - simmer for 3-8 hrs and break the chicken bones when you can for the marrow)>refrigerate and skim the fat off the top and reserve>prepare matzo or semolina balls with reserved fat according to a recipe or buy egg noodles>sear chicken thighs in vegetable oil OR pull leftover/pre-prepared baked chicken breasts (pound, dry brine, season w/ pepper and whatever shitty dried herbs you want) out of the fridge and chop into pieces>mince and sweat 1-2 carrots, small yellow or sweet onion or 1/2 large onion, 1 chopped celery stalk>add bay leaf and 1-4 cloves of minced garlic, stir for a minute or two>add chicken stock you made to the pot>adulterate with additional water or store-bought chicken stock if you don't have enough>add some chopped fresh parsley, dried marjoram, dried mexican oregano, and/or thyme if you have it and want to>add a bit of finely-minced ginger and/or a tiny dash of vinegar or lemon if something is missing>wait until braised thighs can be broken apart with a cooking utensil with little resistance OR wait until the broth is seasoned and add the chopped chicken breast>add some red pepper if your nose is stuffed>add the matzo or semolina balls according to the recipe for matzo ball or semolina soup or boil the egg noodles while the soup is cooking and add them at the end since they're not finicky>season with whatever else you want and serve when it tastes good enoughno food will save you if you're going to die of the coof but chicken soup tastes good at least.
No. 1010998
>>10105781) thank you for the recipe, screenshot it while scrolling by
2) I want to have dinner at your house, I can tell you can cook!
I love this site, for moments like this. Next time I make soup I’m using your recipe!
No. 1011001
>>1010934I noticed a lot of pro-vaxxers mysteriously stop posting after they got their booster. Strange.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/business/media/carlos-tejada-dead.htmlLike the 49 year old New York Times editor who died of a heart attack the night he got his booster. But I'm sure it was only a coincidence, right? Right?
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they're about to start 4th shots here…
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>>1011011If you're in the Netherlands, they are preparing for three boosters! You heard that right - three additional jabs on job of the original two.
How many will we be expected to take? This is madness. They don't even know how effective boosters will be in two months time.
https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/30/netherlands-preparing-three-covid-booster-rounds-2022 No. 1011049
>>1011042Antivaxxer in 2014
>thinks vaccines cause autism >won’t get a single vaccine, not even one that has been in use for over ten years>keeps crystals in her bed to raise the vibe‘Antivaxxers’ in 2021
>gets vaccinated in general but doesn’t want newly released vaccines>gets new coronavirus vaccines that may have some side effects, but feels skeptical about getting boosters every few weeks>notices the goalposts of ‘vaccinated’ keep changing, that rights are being taken away under the cover of ‘for your own safety’, and your freedom is being dangled in front of you like a carrot on a stick>notices ‘the science’ seems to change at the drop of the hat, notices hypocrisy by the media>notice high ranking government and media figures have been criminals and child molesters before, doesn’t worship Hollywood>believes a diverse population with different medical needs may not need the same medicine>sometimes reads alternate news sources not funded by a small circle of billionaires, alongside the msm, to listen to different perspectives. Questioned the narrative once.> doesn’t post on social media about being a good citizen or ‘doing their part’> doesn’t want to vaccinate pregnant women or healthy athletic 18 year olds No. 1011050
>>1008629>>1008844I'm in
jew york where I need to be vaccinated to be able to shit in an iHop so it's a bit privileged to tell me to quit my job and apply to school elsewhere when I don't have much other options. Lol.
No. 1011054
>>1011050Get a religious exemption. Your faith is a private matter between you and your creator, and that's all that matters.
They can ask questions, but you can respond with something like "The relationship I have with my creator is sacred and should not be judged or questioned. My faith states I am not to receive these vaccines." If they continue asking, say you will get a lawyer as it's not your employers place to question your faith.
No. 1011084
>>1011076I guess I'm in for a week or two of fun
sewerslide contemplation, huh?
No. 1011199
>>1011057That's how it started in my family too, they are also all vacinated. You'll probably test positive in 2-3 days.
>>1011193Imagine thinking this is something worth jailing for.
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>>1011199>>1011208Are you two retarded and sharing the same braincell? It’s illegal to falsify documents, if doesn’t matter what it is.
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>>1011212Fuck off with your strawman. You’re comparing apples and oranges. The Texas abortion law is as retarded as you are, but falsifying documents is not even in the same vein. It’s like you lack basic critical thinking skills.
No. 1011224
>>1011220Faking a vaccine card is not equivalent to stealing someone's identity.
>>1011217Laws should be put in place for a reason. What is the reason for vaccination cards if being vaccinated doesn't stop the spread? If the government was actually worried about hospital capacity, they wouldn't have encouraged hospitals to fire their unvaccinated employees. Especially now they are saying vaccinated people who test positive for COVID can still work.
No. 1011239
>>1011236Falsifying documents is illegal, yes, but throwing someone in jail for faking a vaccine card is ridiculous. It's unjust to allow the government to do something like that.
If they throw people in jail for faking vaccine cards, what will they throw people in jail for next? "Misgendering" someone and hurting their feelings? Coughing around others? Leaving your house if you have a temperature?
No. 1011248
>>1011246Regardless of how true that has been before, barely anyone needs hospitalization for omicron, no matter if vaccinated or not. Aren't you tired of shilling the same shit over and over again?
>>1011247That still doesn't make it any less unjust and ridiculous.
No. 1011252
>>1011247It's not right for the government to make laws around "Papers please" and then lump them in with forgery. I understand why falsifying documents is illegal. It can put someone at financial risk or seriously ruin their livelihood. I'd be pissed if someone forged by signature and stole my identity. Forging signatures can cause direct harm to others.
But what harm does forging a vaccine card cause? Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can become infected with and transmit COVID. No one is actually harmed if someone fakes a vaccine card to keep their job or get an education.
>>1011246What control group was this measured against?
No. 1011270
>>1011256I would also be harming old and otherwise compromised illness if I had the flu, bronchitis, pneumonia, or any other contagious disease. We don't have immunization cards for them.
And you're right. Call me selfish, but I don't want to put my life on hold for a complete stranger who may or may not do the sam thing for me. You are the one most responsible for your own health. If my grandmother was immunocompromised, I wouldn't demand everyone in her retirement home to stay inside because they may get her sick. It's not fair for everyone else.
Plus the vaccine is supposed to protect against hospitalization and death. If it works, why should they be worried?
>>1011261That's because you have to pay taxes. Vaccine cards are being mandated for schools, restaurants, sporting events, and other social and recreational facilities. There's a difference. Telling someone who is unvaccinated to find another job someplace else is like telling someone living in poverty making minimum wage to get a different job if they want to make more money.
No. 1011274
>>1011272Thank you. I hope one day you realize the powers that be will keep the pandemic going on as long as people have the attitude you have.
Pharma and PPE industries are making record profits. They want this to go on as long as possible. Tell me how you're feeling after your 5th booster.
No. 1011276
>>1011268Bullshit, you can get the jab and booster almost fucking everywhere even at pharmacies and nursing homes. And docs will even push it into your body if you have heart- and neurological problems, they don't give a fuck. Nevermind that vaccination rates speak against that argument anyway.
For the rare cases where it actually applies, they should stay at home and use other protections instead of forcing the rest of the world to shit up their bodies with boosters just so boomers can ruin their kids futures for a few years more.
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>>1011296The person who is vaccinated has experimental shit in their body and the person who is unvaccinated has increased their natural immunity
No. 1013491
>>1013470People who post takes like that are either blind or are doing it in bad faith. If it was a handful of places doing this as a personal choice, that's
valid. If every single company and university is either doing it, or literally being pressured/forced to do it by the government, it stops being a matter of "Oh just go somewhere else". It's just peer pressure by another name
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>>1013633Cheers! I see the few nonners here parroting MSM fear-filled talking points, and can't help but picrel. Besides that, I hope that in 2022 people see the BS that was this "pandemic", how evil some governments were for suppressing therapeutics, how it fucked a lot of us economically. Good news is that I'm immune to
argumentsum ad passiones thanks to 24/7 doom propaganda. Seeing embittered nonners, y irl friends, "clap back" with their naive cope is water off a duck's back. Sucks that we women can be emotionally manipulated so easily. But it's also our strength, right?
No. 1013782
>>1013633kek. It’s not very feminist of you to let other women die or get sick because you’re too retarded to get vaxxed for free, after probably getting every other vaccine.
It’s disgusting to claim something this backwards is feminist. We should all get vaccinated, and you retards should wear a mask if you aren’t. The reason we are still in this mess is because of people like you.
No. 1013833
>>1013819>>1013829And people always wonder how brainwashing happens…
Not even a conspiracy fag, but christ people are so annoyingly ready to get mad, but more importantly feel self-righteous, about anything.
No. 1013855
>>1011050My condolences,in the same boat.
Not only that but our workplace "trusts the science" and from what I've heard they've been really strict and not accepting religious exemptions or most medical ones. If they read the news they would see this isn't stopping.With only limited options and fully vaccinated still catching covid we really should not be forced to get our shot to work. I have met some people though who thought after they have gotten vaccinated they were immune and could go back to normal but then realize that isn't the current reality. I do feel like too people should have been masking up and following protocol since day 1 and maybe it wouldn't be as bad as it is now because a lot of people still think it isn't real
>>1013633I wish I could be like that but with no other options or back up plan I needed to get vaxx'd or lose my job, it really sucks when given the illusion of choice but I'm glad their are other anons who live in places where they don't have the threat of losing their job over their head and can work safely or just financially secured.
No. 1013898
I just returned yesterday from a several day long trip to a defferent city in my country and being there was like time travelling back to 2019. Not a single mask in sight, no checking QR code for vaccination status, even though both are required by law. Those are the only two measures we have, last time they tried to introduce lockdown again people protested and since an election is coming up they caved in to protesters out of fear of losing votes. But at least those measures are respected here in the capital. And only in the capital, if they're not adhered to in the city I visited, no way it's adhered to in other smaller places. Still, the cases are always highest in the capital, since population density has far more effect on spread than some half-assed measures.
My friend quickly relaxed on the trip and wanted us to enter clubs, but I insisted on outdoor activities. Luckily, the weather was spring-like and it was pleasant outside.
I'm still a bit bewildered, feeling lime a time-traveller that went to 2019 and back in the span of a few days.
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>>1013901Novi Sad, Serbia. Lovely city and people, I often dream of moving there. Pic related, view from the apartment we rented. We had a great time on the trip.
No. 1013931
>>1013924i rereshed the main page and saw this pic was like is that NS?? i don't go out to bars/clubs but i hear that some places still require to get checked for the vacc.
glad you had a nice time here
nonnie!
No. 1013941
>>1013931Thanks, I loved it!
>some places still require to get checked for the vacc. Maybe just on paper. There were signs about having to show the vaccination proof everywhere, but when I tried to present my QR code when entering a bar to pee, they literally laughed at me so I stopped trying to show it. At another place I asked to go in the security joked "we don't let in people in masks".
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I think the vax gave my boyfriend ED.
No. 1015277
>>1015245Surely there's no way people could have just ignored the fact severe side effects and deaths are being ignored and despite this it's still being forced on us and we are told it's good and healthy?
I've also been seeing the vaccine compared to McDonald's with things like "people who are worried about what's in the vaccine go and eat fast food". Like they're acknowledging it's not good for you and doesn't benefit you but want people to do it anyway? It's weirdly bizarre how close pro vaccine and anti vaccine people are but are at each other's throats
No. 1015282
>>1015215I know someone who is just shit scared of needles. He was willing to accept the initial one and belived in it but is pissed that the vaccine wasn't a once-off thing he could get out of the way.
The day I went to get my own initial vaccine (in a lil local pharmacy) the woman in front of me fainted and spent an hour on the pharmacy floor refusing medical help. Again just a needle phobia and not a reaction because the needle never actually went in. My dad spent years putting off dental work from a fear of needles and now hates the idea of boosters. For some I guess it's facing a personal fear and not knowing when you can rely it on to be the last one.
No. 1015287
>>1015281Everyone I know who is anti vaccine has gotten several vaccines, one of them even regularly goes to an IV bar, people who are anti vax openly post about getting the flu vaccine once a year. If you think it's about being scared of needles you're literally retarded or love to strawman
Like seriously - all this talk about blood clots, myocarditis, miscarriages, etc and you think it's about needles?
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>>10152810/10, try a bit harder for those dollaroos
No. 1015770
>>1015764I am pretty much at the end stage of omnicron. I caught it on Christmas with the rest of the party I was with. Where I live they suggest 5 days of quarantine for vaxxed and 10 days for unvaxxed. The CDC website states something where you're most transmissable when it first infects you and the first few days you feel symptoms.
I had a cold the day after boxing day but I thought nothing of it since on Christmas day I wasn't warm enough being outside for a few hours. My colds usually knock me on my ass as I'm one of those people who will sneeze 20 times in a minute. Besides that I only really felt sick for 2 days. I will say though even now I'm pretty fatigued doing anything. I tried a workout yesterday and I couldnt really get far. My partner had a high fever for 3 days, and my other roommate feels nothing. It varies but from everyone else who I know got it they all seem fine. It feels like a normal cold
No. 1016036
>>1015729Politicians will only do what the public allows them to do. If people just stopped wearing masks they would see it's pointless to enforce a law no one would follow. It starts with you.
I refuse to wear a mask. Most people wear them in my area but no one has ever asked me to put it on yet when I've been out. This will only continue as long as we allow it to. Stop getting tested and stop wearing masks. After 1.5 months of circulating, we know Omicron is a cold. Why are we going through so much nonsense for a cold?
People will get sick yes, but we never had these insane mandates for the flu. Hire back the unvaccinated hospital staff and it will help solve the hospital shortages. Why let an unvaccinated COVID-free get fired but now allowing a positive vaccinated person to work
>>1009134?
None of it makes sense.
No. 1016609
>>1016590Riots are just scrote fun times, they don't actually do much in modern day. If ppl actually want to get out of this nozi shit then they need to organize an alternative network, shops that don't ask for vac, nurses that fake give you vac so ppl don't get fired/kicked out of uni, spreading alt cures to Rona, that sort of thing. The thing stopping ppl is media making it seem like most ppl believe in the nozi shit, and risking being witch hunted for expressing any doubts. Business owners, drs, nurses, and policy makers have important roles in society but that also comes with responsibility, they're the main ppl that need to step up now. At this point any person you see thats calm and collected in public could be someone who doesn't believe in the doctrine.
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>>1016977The only damage you would get is too much CO2 which causes sickness in the form of dizziness and nausea. But the body can adapt, you do realize breathing through a mask causes the lungs to take in more air to make up for the fact it isn’t so easy to take in oxygen? All you’re doing is working out your lungs and causing them to exert more effort into pulmonary muscles to pull air, its like HIIT but not as intense. Also you can slightly experience the same thing just living in areas with a bit of high altitude but even then those get easily treated because it isn’t the lungs degrading, just the blood oxygen levels being low. Here is what the body does in extreme altitudes and notice that lungs will adapt no matter what as long as it isn’t hindered by a disease that causes weakening of the muscles due to scarring of fibroid tissue or chronic obstructions in the lungs like sediments or heavy dust or dirt.
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I hate Pfizer but their marketing scheme is fucking genius. How the hell did they even manage to manipulate this large of a population of normies and people who run medical care and events? Nevermind people defending them like their life depended on it? What form of fuckery and brainwashing are they using?
This also explains why the first people to come out against the vaccination were rural people who most likely live on farms or know people who own horses, and they were the first to be gaslight because they're "stupid bumpkins who think they know more than doctors" even though they're the first ones to have experiences with Pfizer
No. 1017137
>>1016770I've been in healthcare for years and yes - doctors, after a long surgery always joke about how "they can finally breathe". No one is "struggling" per say but it definitely does lower quality of breathing especially since bacteria is trapped in your mask. You would need to switch masks multiple times a day during different procedures but now you need to wear the same nasty mask non stop
Here's some more info
https://cw.ua.edu/65524/top-stories/full-time-mask-wearing-brings-its-own-set-of-problems/ No. 1017139
>>1017126No offense anon but why do people keep reposting this particular Facebook post as gospel? The Hendra virus in horses is exclusive to coastal Australia. The vaccine is only administered there. Most horse-owners in North America have never even heard of it; same reason YOU had never heard of it before reading this screenshot of a Facebook post. It’s not a mandatory vaccine. Some vets (not all) refuse to treat horses that haven’t been vaccinated for Hendra because it has a 70% mortality rate in humans. Half of the things in this Facebook post with this woman’s opinion aren’t even true.
Be critical of Pfizer sure but also… use Google.
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>>1017126and the horses that didn't die were put in The Plinko, which is a fate that awaits us all
No. 1017174
>>1017159>How many people are dead from the vax?https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.htmlHard to tell since medical workers are openly admitting vaccine deaths are being pushed under the rug on top of families admitting this too. A lot of sources are saying 200k in America but no one really knows. Also reference the whistleblower site of healthcare workers who have to verify their employment before they post
>Where are the mass graves for them? There hasn't been "mass graves" for anyone, this isn't the 1800s, people handle vaccine deaths just like they handle COVID deaths. Do you want us to dig a big hole to dump vaccine deaths
victims in in order for any of this to be
valid to you? Plus several nurses came out saying more children are dying from the vaccine than COVID itself, and obgyns are tired of seeing stillborns
>Are they overcrowding hospitals?In my experience, yes. However they're considered unvaccinated unless the 2 weeks have been passed. Which is why so many people get away with saying "unvaxxed are clogging up the ER!!"
> Where are they?Where is who exactly? I believe the whistleblower site has been posted in the previous thread. The issue is that people who are upfront about vaccine deaths and side effects get censored by social media, Twitter even is starting to remove people who claim they've been vaccinated and got COVID
No. 1017177
>>1017173You think these people don't communicate with people in the community all across the globe? I'm from a farm family and my family communicates with people who have the same livestock as us all over
>>1017162Okay anon, the AHA, CDC, and medical professionals, and medical journals are all lying and everyone is going to get myocarditis unless they get the vaccine. Even though no one talked about myocarditis from COVID until the jab came out
No. 1017193
>>1017174> Do you want us to dig a big hole to dump vaccine deaths victims in in order for any of this to be valid to you?I would like proof yes. We all saw covid bodies from the very start. Remember Italy? Random nurses on facebook don't count as proof. Anons who went to ER and totally talked to a doctor who told them 89495 kids are dying from vax per day also don't count.
>However they're considered unvaccinated unless the 2 weeks have been passedLiterally a blatant lie, some of us actually know real people who work in hospitals.
>Twitter even is starting to remove people who claim they've been vaccinated and got COVIDFucked if true, but no news resource I know (in my country) ever claimed a vaccine is 100% fool proof against any strain. Because that's kind of common sense.
Also this entire paragraph
>Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
No. 1017201
>>1017177Idk anon for all your livestock communication it seems like you didn’t know about the virus, where it was prevalent, and who was affected by it. I don’t have a horse in this race kek with respect to the vaccine, I just think it’s a retarded talking point because Hendra has an exponentially higher mortality rate than COVID. Also the sanctimony of “think of the horses!!” is kind of ironic because Queensland is racetrack country and those people will literally kill a horse because they didn’t run good enough.
But I’m just a horsefag from rural Texas so what do I know
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dumbass shit!! only in canada would you see such a headline too
No. 1017396
>>1017393>Muh herd immunityName me a single vaccine throughout history that has every required majority of people to get it in order for it to work
And also explain why countries like Portugal with a 95% vaccinated rate have high COVID deaths
No. 1017485
>>1017472I'm jealous of you
nonnie. I haven't had it or ever been tested either, but I got vaxed. I should have just lied about it, they didn't even check it anyway.
No. 1017579
>>1016535>>1016036Idk why people are arguing with this when it's demonstrably true.
See my country:
>>1013898People protested lockdown, so they had to yield, no more lockdowns. People in places other than the capital, like Novi Sad, do not want to follow other measures introduced by law, so they ignore them en masse.
Like, what are they going to do? Lose an election?
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I dont know if I got the regular flu, pms chills or covid. I took my temp and its at 37.7 c or 99.86 f. My body feels hot. Throat still feels normal
No. 1017599
>>1017595Take a test
nonnie! Just to be sure!
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Why are they in such a panic to vax everyone, forcefully, when most people already have had covid?
The only reason I can think of is that they sign some sort of agreement with Pfizer/Moderna/etc to give X amount of vaccines to receive Y amount of money
No. 1017664
>>1017643I've known a lot of people to get it and reactions really vary, sounds like you've got a strong constitution. Whatever you're doing is working. Do you have a special diet or take supplements? I'm gonna be mad if all you eat is junkfood and drink alcohol and smoke cigs.
>>1017627That poor woman. I would want to die at that point. Why prolong her suffering?
>>1017642Exactly why I scheduled an emergency appointment right before thanksgiving.
No. 1017676
>>1017619>I am terrified of her getting sickget your grandma a good vitamin D supplement (vid related).
it's good that she at least has you visiting her.
No. 1017729
>>1017664Yeah it's really weird, I'd actually love to see honest research on that if there are other factors that matter. Because I don't think my health is special. I drink a litre of tea with milk and honey and a litre of water every day, I don't drink alcohol or smoke but my diet is not the healthiest either (I eat store-bought fastfood on some days, eat barely anything on other days, don't take any vitamins and generally love all kinds of bread) and I got slightly over my healthy bmi within the past 2 years. I also do freelance work from home and help in an archive 3 times a week where I walk to the place, which takes between 1-2 hours in total with walking there and back home. Oh and I also always wear a FFP2 mask when going out because I personally find them comfy on cold weather.
sage for kind-of blogpost
No. 1017823
>>1017398Actually, statistics are saying vaccinated people are more likely to catch variants now. Variants are caused by vaccinated people anyway. The same with how new variants of sicknesses are caused.
https://www.citizensjournal.us/data-show-triple-vaxxed-more-likely-to-get-omicron-than-vaxxed/So explain to me. Why do you preach about the vaccine that everyone needs to get if vaccinated people are MORE likely to get sick? And then blaming unvaccinated for it all? What sense does that make? And how would a variant form from the unvaccinated when everyone knows that new variants of any disease form from treatments and vaccines? That's like claiming there's new flu variants from people who don't get flu vaccinated. I don't know why so many of you have a hard time admitting the vaccine is just a flop and doesn't work. And no amount of "but everyone needs to get it!! You'll see!! Just ignore countries that are mostly vaccinated and still have the issue!!"
>Vaccinated people are the only ones who could travel internationally, meaning the variants were most likely brought on by vaccinated people>The variants have mostly been found in vaccinated people and given to other vaccinated people>Somehow the unvaccinated who stay at home and don't get sick are to blame for this all????Kek I swear logic has gone out the door with some of you
No. 1017826
>>1017821Depends, my in-laws are complete vaccine nazis and actually cut off me and my husband for not getting the jab because "we're endangering her elderly mother that lives with them". But then hire caregivers from a company that doesn't require the jab, invite over unvaccinated family, and just took a trip to an island and are partying it up on Facebook. And I know for fact if grandma gets infected they'll somehow blame the unvaccinated for it all
I do know a few stable people who did get vaccinated though who admit it doesn't work the way it should and admit they only got it for their employers. You know it's bad when most people who got it admit it doesn't work.
vaccinated people also have been using the vaccine and COVID scapegoats to just be shitty friends/family/workers/etc No. 1017906
>>1017823I looked at the link to the British infection data because it was easy to check.
Your blog says:
>The Office for National Statistics Infection Survey data, regarded as preliminary, indicated the triple-vaccinated are 4.5 times as likely to test positive for a probable omicron infection than the unvaccinated. The double-vaccinated, according to the data, are 2.3 times as likely to have a probable omicron infection.But if you go to the website and download the data it says that:
>Those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant.Where does the difference come from? The blog claims are a result of misunderstanding or misrepresenting the statistics. The table gives a
ratio of omicron infections to other covid variants for the vaxxed. A bigger number means that vaxxed people who got infected with covid are more likely to have the omicron variant as opposed to one of the other variants, not that vaxxed people get covid more often in general.
No. 1017945
>>1017934it’s just statistics. there’s less people overall who are unvaccinated. the omicron variant is more infectious due to how it settles and presents in the body (in the throat rather than lungs), which could be why it’s still infectious to vaccinated people, but more mild overall.
arguing that a vaccine makes you more likely to be infected makes no sense as a conspiracy theory. why would the government want people infected? to enforce lockdowns? (which hardly any western country is doing)
No. 1018032
>>1017934My point is that the source you give is either wrong or (imo more likely) lies to you.
>>1017953Do you just spam random links and hope people can't be bothered to read them? The picture attached to your post is the data I looked up and found was wrong in the very post you reply to.
I looked at the daily mail article and it shows the ratio of hospital admissions is vastly higher among the unvaxxed. I'm a bit confused about what you're trying to say with that.
Maybe there's things wrong with the vaccine, maybe things are being covered up, I don't know, but the links you post don't show that, and your post discredits anti-vaxxers because it's so schizophrenic.
No. 1018072
>>1018046Every article clearly states that vaccinated people have a higher chance of getting variants, and they do include ratios so you can't use the "it's just more people are vaccinated" excuse. Idk why you keep repeating the same thing when articles clearly state otherwise, you're just twisting it
Even normies are starting to notice their vaccinated friends are getting COVID way more than the unvaccinated, idk how it's so hard to comprehend that a vaccine that's barely been tested or experimented with is a flunk
No. 1018082
>>1018071They locked everything down since 2020 for a virus with a 99% survival rate. It was never about the virus, or the vaccine, or anything else, there's obviously something deeper and a bigger ~conspiracy~ that no one wants to admit because anyone who calls out the obvious shadiness of everything is gaslight to hell and back
No one truly knows what the intent behind any of it is, but the vaccine is the perfect scapegoat since you can easily just blame citizens for not complying to an experimental, dangerous and ineffective vaccine instead of people standing around wondering why the government thinks that a virus with a 99% survival rate is going to murder us all
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Another source showing the vaccine having NEGATIVE efficiency aka people who are vaccine are more likely to get COVID
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268565v1.full.pdfPlease try to skew these numbers to justify why "they actually meant vaccines are more effective!" Kek
No. 1018105
>>1018092You act like covid isn't the worst respiratory virus any of us has seen in our lifetime. If things were not shutdown in the beginning, and we allowed everyone to get sick the mortality rate would be much higher than 1%, since the exceptional care people received is the reason they are alive.
Vaccines are safe and effective, we have had them for over 100 years and know how and why they work. All you are doing in repeating Fox News talking point, go get a science education .
If you read the paper you posted, you would see the negative vaccine efficacy was ONLY for the week after the 2nd dose due to the fact that people thought they were immediately protected. The vaccines protected from infection initially, hence the 95% efficacy (which is directly calculated from infections compared between treatment and control groups), but now not very effective due to the mutation rate. Like the person earlier said it is a statistics issue that you would learn in a biostats 101 class. More people are vaccinated than unvaccinated, so the group sizes aren't the same.
But please continue to talk about things you have no training, expertise, or education in, right? It's not like I haven't seen the people dying or permanently disabled from covid in the hospital.
No. 1018116
>>1018072According to your articles vaxxed have a higher chance of getting new variants instead of old variants of covid, if they end up with covid.
For example:
>100 vaxxed get covid>80 omicron, 20 alpha or delta
>100 unvaxxed get covid>20 omicron, 80 alpha or delta
>> vaxxed 4 times more likely to have omicronThat's what that means.
And according to your articles vaccinated people are still less likely to get infected at all, and if they do get infected, they have a reduced chance to get severely sick. That doesn't mean nobody who is vaccinated gets infected or severely sick, just that it's less probable for that to happen to a vaxxed compared to someone unvaccinated.
>idk how it's so hard to comprehend that a vaccine that's barely been tested or experimented with is a flunkBecause all evidence points to the contrary and people find it hard to believe in a conspiracy of that magnitude. It's not just one or two companies, it's every single government and health organisation on the planet. Also it's been given to billions of people over the course of the last two years, so it's hardly untested at this point.
There's been lies and propaganda, but as far as I can tell there's no evidence that the general idea is wrong. To me it seems like the usual amount of incompetence from politicians and unethical recklessness from MSM, rather than the biggest conspiracy in history.
>>1017843He struggles to pronounce English and it's obvious from context that he meant to say "little" instead of "kill".
No. 1018117
>>1018105You realize that's not how mortality rates work right? If it was deadly it would hurt people who get it, but most people who get it survive. Not even mentioning countries that had little to no lockdown and restrictions still had similar survival rates
Seriously - if it was as dangerous, then it wouldn't be a matter of "well IF this this and this happened it would have killed us all!!". No, the truth is if COVID was deadly most people who get it would die but that's not how it works, do you not know how mortality rates work? That's like saying the mortality rates of things like the flu so skewed because people take precautions by washing hands
Vaccines are safe and effective, just not this one. If it was we wouldn't have athletes dropping dead, young people dying in their sleep, countries that are mostly vaccinated with major outbreaks, and the WHO wouldn't straight up that the boosters are literally killing children. How much more evidence could you possibly need before you can even stutter to admit maybe this vaccine isn't the best thing?
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>>1018116If the vaccine was effective there would be no articles stating such, why would unvaccinated people even be more immune to variants? It's almost as if natural immunity is better than a flunked vaccine
>It's been given to millionsYes… And there also a "mysterious" rise in young people dying in their sleep, having heart problems, athletes are dropping like flies and schools are now being taught to watch for warning signs in heart attacks and strokes, just because they didn't want to let people get a cold
>But conspiracies make no sense!It doesn't make sense but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, several people who were involved in conspiracies have exposed them. Including when the government was making impoverished neighborhoods addicted to drugs. You really think governments are incapable of having a more sinister motive behind doing things that make zero sense?
No. 1018145
>>1018139Ok, so you're lying then.
You maybe think the government is lying to people to make them get the jab, so you lie to people to make them avoid it? Is that what it is? Or do you just like to maliciously mislead people?
No. 1018149
>>1018128>>1018139Come on dude, I boosted the volume and replayed it several times. He's obviously making the "k" sound in "kill", not struggling with the word at all, there's literally no way he could have mistaken it for "little" or a stutter like some outlets have been trying say. Not to mention these speeches are often rehearsed
Even when the director of the WHO straight up tell you, it's bullshit and "he didn't mean it like that". Even when the creator of mRNA comes out about dangers he's ignored and "he didn't mean it like this"
Why is everyone so in denial? I would love to have a vaccine that works against COVID to end all of this but unfortunately this isn't the reality we live in and countries who have preached like this are now in deep shit since they still have COVID but now with more variants and vaccine injuries and deaths
No. 1018164
>>1018149>>1018156Yes, schizo chan, the WHO guy tried to warn us about our governments murdering children with booster shots, but he couldn't say that because the forces that be have a gun to his head, so he wove the statement into a long paragraph about how we should prioritize giving old people in the Third World their first jab instead of giving children in the First a third or fourth.
And only you are smart enough to see this.
It's totally honest that you quote him out of context and cut off his sentence so us dumb people don't get confused.
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>>1018105No training? Lol I'm literally on the path of becoming a doctor and have been working in hospitals since I was 18. I currently work in a hospital right now and I'm going to medical school next year. I also have my PCT license which the hospital I am working at is paying for my tuition. Post your license and I'll post
Picrel is proof I am in pre-med. And I'm the person you've been fighting with over vaccines. Everyone I know in the medical field is anti vaccine
No. 1018184
>>1018105>If you read the paper you posted, you would see the negative vaccine efficacy was ONLY for the week after the 2nd dose due to the fact that people thought they were immediately protected. It clearly states vaccine efficiency goes down
>The vaccines protected from infection initially, hence the 95% efficacy (which is directly calculated from infections compared between treatment and control groups), but now not very effective due to the mutation rate.So we agree? The vaccines aren't effective to variants?
>Like the person earlier said it is a statistics issue that you would learn in a biostats 101 class. More people are vaccinated than unvaccinated, so the group sizes aren't the same.I will repeat myself again they also take the ratios in note, and they scientists with the PhDs draw an obviously clear conclusion which I am repeating, I don't know why it's hard to understand. Are you telling me they also didn't take biostats?
No. 1018239
>>1018185>>1018184>>1018183You cherry pick things that superficially appears to support your preconceived ideas, while dismissing out of hand everything that contradicts them. You're not ~open minded~ or a ~free thinker~. You're either a schizo or a demagogue.
The study you quoted doesn't support your idea, which at this point I think you know, because you're clearly arguing in bad faith. You never responded to your "4 times higher infection rate" being shown to be wrong, you just moved on to the next thing, and when that was shown to be weak nonsense, you moved on to the next.
I actually thought there was something to these claims about the vaccine being more dangerous than commonly believed, because I have no doubt that the government would suppress that information, but the anti vaxx posting here is nothing but anecdotes and lies. Why would I believe the anecdotes when they're bundled with demonstrably wrong claims and dishonest argumentation?
No. 1018269
>>1018239Maybe it's because people in major news outlets have been admittedly lying about everything and things like Google are highly censored to the point where it's practically impossible to see the opposing side of the COVID vax. I stated exactly what the articles said, you're the one who doesn't understand statistics and is desperately trying to twist them to make it "actually mean this"
>It's all lies and anecdotes >Posts actual studiesKek
Also anecdotes aren't completely invalid pertaining to science. If we are seeing thousands of posts of people claiming that all the vaccinated people they know are getting COVID and the unvaccinated are healthy, people who openly post about being vaccine injured and news article after news article about the dramatic increase in sudden deaths and heart issues, surely there should be some sort of eyebrow raise? But since it's all anecdotes I guess we can ignore that
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Pandemic is finally over after two years of hell. I wish the government(s) would recognize that already!
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>>1018105>Vaccines are safe and effective, we have had them for over 100 years and know how and why they work. All you are doing in repeating Fox News talking point, go get a science education. >CÑÑ talking point>pot calling the kettle black.I’m double vaccinated. But, come on, have some self awareness.
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Kim Mi from Disney died "from sudden undisclosed causes" yesterday and just… Why? Why has there been a bizarre increase in the media releasing deaths while refusing to disclose why they died? Not long ago we haven't once hidden why people die and now everything is so vague or they just straight up avoid saying it. Anne Rice also does from a stroke months after getting a jab, Betty white's death was also weird since they refused to release the cause of death until moments after. What celebrities do you guys suspect died from the jab?
No. 1018492
>>1018484That makes no sense. Why would anyone kill themselves because they were in a controversial show?
On top of that - when has the media ever hidden a suicide death? Why would they start with her?
No. 1018495
>>1018490It's suspicious when cause of death isn't released for Betty white and when it was released it was very vague, it's suspicious when Anne rice has boasted about getting a boaster, which a lot of people have had strokes from, and had a stroke months after.
On top of that - it's not just about these 3 people, the media has been hiding causes of deaths and attempting to normalize sudden death in young healthy adults. When has any of this ever happened at all in history?
No. 1018505
>>1018497>Literally in pre-med, requiring classes that go in dept into anatomy, biology and medical related things>On top of this around patients and see how the vaccine effects people and gets input from being around peopleYou can say what you want but not once have you proven to me that you have any sort of medical training after going on a sperg out about how "I need to take biostats and have zero medical training!". Now you're just trying to undermine because I take a less-than-glamorous medical job to avoid paying a mountain of debt while I become a doctor, literally the smartest thing I can do to achieve my dreams while not fucking up my credit?
Literally all medical licenses require classes that go extremely in dept about human anatomy. When I'm not learning in-depth about medicine I'm around patients, including a lot who have been vaccine injured. What do you do?
No. 1018519
>>1018513Again - what did you want regardless of if you are that anon or not? You/Anon/ whatever claimed I had no medical training therefore can't speak, which I proved wrong, which I have yet to see any of her qualifications. What's embarrassing about it besides the fact I'm not a doctor? Was being young and smart about how I was going to pay for school before I went to school somehow make me stupid or?
That's the thing I don't understand about you anons, you want to be able to claim whatever you want about anons you're infighting with and when you're proven wrong you immediately undermined them or say "it's embarrassing" (like when anons post their hands if they're called a scrote, etc) like?? Don't just make things about people if you cringe when people prove themselves kek
No. 1018526
>>1018521Lengths? By taking 3 seconds to pull up an email? I never expected to "win", sorry people can't just make things up about anons without being proven wrong
Here's how this would have gone anyway
>If I ignored it, they would have said "well you didn't deny you don't have medical training so you're just stupid and can't talk about it!">If I claimed I was in pre-med without proof they would have just said "well you can just make up anything!">If I post proof of my qualifications then it's "embarrassing"Sorry, I'd take the 3rd option. Any way I could have responded to this you would have had an issue, don't you see that?
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Did any of you nonnies catch the "my flurona~♪♪"?(♪♪)
No. 1018532
>>1018523They're mad because they're getting proven wrong left and right
>"heh…you obviously have no training or education on this subject that i've been typing long, alarmist essays on with no source!!">"actually, i do have training/education on this subject. here's proof">"UHM that's uh?? kinda embarassing sweaty??? ummm!!! thanks 4 proving you have a license 4 ass wiping!!! (and no i will not post anything to indicate i wasn't projecting onto you)"Fucking kek
No. 1018716
>>1018707you are right. however, its not self-righteous or anything to not speculate lol its human nature to judge or form opinions and we can agree or disagree, but its just how it is. even more common with a celebrity death and that anon is correct, the media typically does specify in the case of suicide and they ESPECIALLY tend to highlight in a case of covid which suits their narrative (bonus points if unvaccinated because people eat that up).
we are in a far removed forum from the celebrities named, pretty different from going on some social media page of theirs and speculating.
No. 1019110
>>1004812Nonnies I’m sorry but can someone come medfag for me? I have been Covid sick since 12-24 and I thought I was getting better and then 3 ish days ago the fever came back in full, and my chest and sinuses are so so congested. My mucus is thicker and greener and it feels like a weighted blanket on my chest. This is the most sick and scared I’ve been so far . I’ve also lost all sense of smell and taste and that’s freaking me the fuck out
Im taking decongestants, ibeprofuen and Tylenol, and my fever only stays down with that.
The only visits I can get or e-visits because I’m Covid positive, and the hospitals are over filled.
I’ve ordered an oxygen monitor. But still waiting for it to arrive.
Is this still Covid? Is the pneuma? Would getting an appointment and requesting an inhaler help ?
Please nonnies don’t yell at me but I’m worried.
No. 1019559
>>1019524I'm so tired of the overloaded IC meme. My country has been propagating this "Hospitals will collapse and poor cancer babies will all die thanks to those unvaxxed pest by december at latest!!!11" shit since fucking August without pause and now it's January and they still aren't much busier than all the other years before. So now they simply don't report the IC capabilities in the news anymore and the goal shifted to "omicron will fill them up for sure this time, just you wait!!" when I know the one fucking thing that will cause even more stress in hospitals is the shit ton of unvaxxed health workers who will soon be fired thanks to the lunatic vaxx mandatory.
Government and media are all shameless liars who would rather shoot their own foot than finally fucking invest some money in hospitals.
No. 1019561
>>1019524Getting vaccinated teaches your body how to fight the virus meaning that there will be situations in which your immune system upon getting in contact with the covid virus will either repel it immediately or significantly minimalize the damage it will do to you; with how more aggressive the new mutations become later being far more common. World governments made a mistake telling people to get vaccinated to live normally because it enabled many of them to stop keeping distance, stop wearing masks and stop respecting any regulations, while just being vaccinated doesn't do THAT much to slow down the spread. This said, if thanks to the vaccines covid becomes as minor as seasonal flu, the spread will not be a problem anymore. The analogy also works well here because similarly, it's recommended to take booster shots for seasonal flu as well.
tl;dr: vaccines are supposed to make covid significantly less dangerous, will not make it disappear
No. 1019583
>>1019110Anon honestly I would go to the ER if I were you. Better safe than sorry and they’re better qualified to tell you either you’re sick and you’ll need treatment in a hospital or that you’ll be fine. Anxiety can absolutely make your symptoms worse and peace of mind alone will help that.
>>1019524I like to compare it to the flu as well. Last season’s flu shot won’t protect you from this season’s flu. Coincidentally I don’t get my flu shot, never have. I had swine flu and it kicked my ass for a week, but most other years I simply don’t get it. It might be irresponsible knowing I’m a vector to the little old lady sitting four seats from me on the bus, but I don’t come into close personal contact with anyone at risk so meh. Boosted btw, probably won’t get another booster unless a particularly deadly or debilitating strain pops up.
No. 1019675
>>1019561Pardon. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would we introduce a vaccine
during the crisis while the virus is still circulating around full throttle? Wouldn’t it be better to bring in the vaccines
after for more effective immunization?
No. 1020506
>>1018716This
Calling out shady behavior in the media =\= demanding to know why someone died
Never once has the media hid why people died until now
No. 1020905
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>>1020890but I'm sure this is a fake saline injection or whatever so just keep being retarded
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Gonna get tested later nonas and im anxious and 100% sure that im positive for covid since my throat is getting worse and my nose sometimes clogs up when I lay down at night. Im worried about my cat since I plan on quaranting in one of my friend's condo and my cat has crazy seperation anxiety. Anyway, what should I prepare should I do test positive?
No. 1021207
>>1020905He got the vaccine long after people got it in Israel even though it was available to him.
He claimed that was because he did not want to waste vaccines and wanted the people at risk to get vaxxed first (even though in Israel young people were already vaxxed and considering hundreds of vaccines were thrown away for being expired he could surely get one jab without “taking it away” from endangered people, come on).
I stopped trusting Pfizer after that because that is 100% a lie no matter how you spin it.
And I don’t care if he took the real vaccine after that, he just proved that he can lie with a straight face so why wouldn’t he lie about everything else.
No. 1021218
>>1020976Normal flu stuff. Try not to talk too much if you can help it. Paracetamol for fevers, and so on.
I'm on the other side of the coof infection and it's quite annoying. I'm technically healthy, aside from the dry cough. It's been going on for almost a month. My friend also has it since we got the coof at the same time and place. It's weird.
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>“We’re hoping this experience will encourage vaccine manufacturers and clinical trials of therapeutics to ask questions about the menstrual cycle, the same way you’d include other vital signs,” Dr. Bianchi said.>The information is important, just like knowing that one may experience a headache or develop a fever after vaccination, Dr. Edelman said.>“Individuals who menstruate spend a week out of every month, sometimes more, having to deal with menstruation,” Dr. Edelman said. >individuals who menstruate…jfc I’m glad we’re an afterthought. Hoping the underlying issue is not anything serious and future complications won’t occur.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/health/covid-vaccine-menstrual-cycles.html No. 1024158
>>1023159There's a bad COVID outbreak in my hospital that finally woke people up to how little vaccinations truly work. Literally ALL the patients and workers who have COVID are vaccinated (given this is a small hospital, but still), for a while they only allowed vaccinated nurses to give care to patients with COVID and after seeing the jab obviously doesn't work they dropped all the restrictions they had towards unvaccinated workers (like not being able to do certain things and rapid testing twice a week)
The only thing they really say is that it's supposed to make you sick shorter and less intense if you do catch COVID but COVID was never that bad for unvaccinated workers? There's a handful of vaccinated people here who are still sick as dogs after weeks and plenty of the unvaccinated nurses who had COVID always talk about how mild it was for them. What's the point of putting in restrictions for things that don't even protect you or other people? They're not putting restrictions on anything else that causes long and deathly COVID. People are seriously going cuckoo trying to not admit they were wrong about the vaccine and that we don't know everything yet
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>>1024748so when is this thread going to start trooning out?
No. 1025470
>>1025397Anon having a piece of cloth/plastic over your nose and mouth doesn't impede breathing at all!1
But yes, also I get stuffy lungs and nose after using the disposable ones. Wouldn't be surprised if they put some shit in them.
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>>1025397Masks aren't good for you when you wear them long term. Surgical masks have traces of formaldehyde.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cod.13626 No. 1026026
>>1025975I wear them outside cause I can't take for my college if I test positive and fail the year. Even then I dont wear them indoors, in my car, outside if it's not a closed space, etc.
I think people who obsessively wear them outherwise have self image issues about their faces.
No. 1026279
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a244_hgci.pdfThe US Supreme Court has blocked Biden's vaccine mandate! Unfortunately healthcare facilities can still mandate it for their workers, but it allows for medical and religious exemptions.
Hopefully we're leaving this clown world sooner than later. Vaccines are trash and clearly don't stop transmission or spread.
No. 1028381
>>1028378Honestly can't see what's wrong with going for vacation at this point (or any before really). If you wear masks, make sure you're in a healthy state
and vaccinated, going for vacation is less risky than taking public transport to work which most of us have to do anyway. What matters more is what you do, if you spend every day in crowded places then sure, it's heavily irresponsible.
Then again - I know people who party multiple times a week throughout entire pandemic and nothing happened to them and then theres me with my semi-neet lifestyle (just going to work and back home) and I got infected once, so you know, blind luck.
No. 1028395
>>1028381I'm not saying going on vacation is wrong, I don't think it is at this stage in the pandemic. I'm more so worried about people mindlessly complying to get boostered and being chained to QR codes to get our (illusion of) freedom.
>>1028382Yeah we've had a lot of protests but the government just keeps pushing it further step by step, just like everywhere else I guess. It's crazy to think about it, we started out with our government loudly claiming we wouldn't get a vaxx passport and here we are, forced to get boostered or catch covid in order to keep our QR codes. Honestly a frightening stage of progression if you ask me and probably doesn't promise much good for our future.
No. 1028694
>>1028395Yeah, it's not even the worst thing that they've gone this far with human tracking and censorship.
It's that these leeching, hypocritical politicians said, on camera that this will not happen. They lied to our faces. You should be angry.
>>1028589Clownery, absolute clownery. It's not even a movement. What are they going to chant anyway? "U dum! I offended!"? These 'rebels' are on the side of the corporations and the government anyway, they should probably just lick their own boots to get the point across more affectively. Don't let the government take your freedoms or your sauerkraut Germany-chan.
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>muh 800k deaths! Get vaxxed now granny killers!
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It's like one of those loading bars that never fills, it just starts again at zero.
I'm so over it.
No. 1031091
>>1023987My wife's period has been really weird ever since her first shot, but mine stayed normal.
Also >individuals who menstruate
Clown world…
No. 1031352
>>1031330Depends on the area, country, city and whether it's private or public. I'm getting a bit tired of Americans assuming everyone in the world is like them and saying it's all a lie because
they don't see it happening.
In my country there's been issues with understaffing in healthcare since before Covid, especially in the public sector. Now you're lucky if you can get a doctor to see you in a few months. Things have gotten so bad that even private hospitals, which charge an arm and a leg just for phone consultations, are overbooked and understaffed. Our healthcare is considered the best in the world so I don't know how bad it must be in other places if it's this bad here. Both private and public nursing staff and doctors have begun to quit en masse because they aren't being paid well enough for the amount of pressure they're under.
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Israel says the 4th shot isn't effective! You know how they found out? Through testing on their general population instead of a clinical trial!
Who's ready for their 5th dose?!?!!?!
Or are you finally feeling scammed yet?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-trial-worlds-first-finds-4th-dose-not-good-enough-against-omicron/ No. 1031548
>>1031355If someone is in the hospital frequently then surely all this "hospitals are slammed" thing would have been seen at least once? Do they get super slammed as soon as I leave and then magically everyone leaves when I'm back or? People need evidence, anecdotes can only go so far and if me and everyone else is starting to notice that hospitals aren't as slammed as they say they are then why shouldn't we be able to discuss it? Why do we have to blindly believe anything anyone says just because "just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen". If I was a hermit and never went to a hospital, sure. But I go very often as well as work in one, surely I would have seen this at least once? Last time I remember the hospital being at full capacity was due to riots back in 2020 because I work in the PNW
Also if you're going to a clinic in another unit of a hospital instead of a clinic itself you have to pass through various areas of a hospital, I never said that they were only filled with vaccinated patients I just said the one I work at was, which only accepts vaccinated people in their program.
No. 1031550
>>1031548I'm the same as you. I'm in one of the hot spots for COVID and I don't see anyone or know anyone who has ended up in the hospital for COVID. I heard hospitals also had staffing and bed issues prior to COVID being a thing. Isn't it funny how instead of helping support these hospitals (that charge $25 for a bandaid mind you) and providing them with more beds and staffing to prepare for an emergency, they fire the unvaccinated instead. Make it make sense.
I'm also curious on how they get their numbers for measuring and reporting who in the hospitals they are considered a COVID case and when vaccination status comes into play. Are they considering COVID cases anyone who was admitted specifically for COVID (we know this isn't the case), if someone ends up in the hospital for a broken leg or another accident and they happen to test positive for COVID (we know this does happen), and at what point are the patients tested during their stay? I forget where I saw this, but I heard some patients get COVID from being in the hospital and they're not allowed to leave until they are negative, which also inflates the numbers.
No. 1031570
>>1031550nta again, but there was a data analysis article posted somewhere in the last thread I think that dives into that issue in detail. Apparently there is a huge data recording problem related to coov, wich is partly to blame for the inconsitent and chaotic political decisions surrounding this.
This is pissing me off so much! I have several friends who work as nurses etc and this global pandemic could have been the opportunity to finally improve the abysmal working conditions for healthcare workers. Nothing has happened and it’s the same shit situation as before, even if the hospitals where I live are getting fuller at the moment. They only offered the workers more money when they were striking, this is such a mockery. If coov doesn’t push the political motivation towards improving this shit situation instead of whining about not having enough beds and having to reschedule operations while stull treating their workers like shit and keep wards understaffed or at the bare minimum what else will do?
No. 1031596
>>1031576So much money, but none for even slightly improving healthcare working conditions. No wonder so many people are disillusioned and mistrust everything related to the government and become easy prey for conspiracy theorists (who often gain money from this as well) and the likes. I don’t give a shit about
any populist media in general, official or not. No opinions only data counts in this case- which is why this is such a big problem. But yeah I think one of the issues here is that the state of the healthcare sector is directly contributing to those data issues. There are actual understaffed and often overworked people with stressful lifes who have to collect the data about the patients, so the shittier the working conditions are the less careful and accurate the collected data will be. Other bureaucratic issues probably play into this as well, and the communication between the different instances seems to be very bad. All of this is detrimental for the quality and accuracy of collected data we have to rely on to make decisions. Yep this shit sucks, and I hope we get better and more effective vaccines soon I don’t want to get boostered for this shit every few months for the next years because the effect wears off so fast. I mean yeah good that we have something but imo we really have to work towards making the vaccines patent-free asap so there can be more improvement. Fuck money hungry corporations and their patent shit.
No. 1031601
>>1031596Not to mention Pfizer and Moderna are making billions in profits. If it was really about public health, don't you think that the government should direct some of those profits to get put back into the healthcare systems?
Their profits are coming from our tax dollars anyway. Vaccines seem free, but we're the ones paying for them.
No. 1031634
>>1031631It's a coverup for their vaccines not working because COVID was literally not that bad before, the fact that when all of this came out they kept pushing for COVID tests because of asymptomatic COVID. If so many people have COVID-19 and recover without even knowing way before the vaccine, then how in the world are they going to try to convince us that vaccinated people didn't get hospitalized because of the vaccine? If a vaccinated person "didn't get hospitalized because of the vaccine when they got COVID" then chances are they would've recovered fine
I notice a lot of people are also pointing out that the only people who seem to be getting COVID nowadays are vaccinated people, obviously these are anecdotes but when the media is lying to us and masses of people are coming out about this it's time to start listening
No. 1031642
>>1031634Lol remember last summer when the media talking point was ~breakthrough infections are extremely rare~
What a load of bullshit.
No. 1031678
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our saviors at pfizer are working on an omicron vaccine that will be ready in six weeks. the ride never ends
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-ceo-says-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march.html No. 1031815
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>>1031678They are also planning another vaccine for 2023.
No. 1031888
>>1031818Fact: Moderna's other mRNA vaccine candidates have to go through clinical trails.
Covid vaccines were literally accelerated to distribution thanks to government programs such as Operation Warp Speed, making your fact unsurprising to say the least.
No. 1031894
>>1031333I waited hours for an exam that showed I needed immediate surgery (as in, I was covid-tested and then put into an operating room). There was a loud argument about whether the hospital could do the surgery or whether I had to be transferred somewhere else. I have no idea whether the covid patients taking up beds were vaxxed or not, but everything covid has to be separated from non-covid emergent patients/surgeries, so the capacity is smaller. Sometimes it isn't clear how a surgery will end: will the person need icu care or not? So that's a factor.
Anyway I lived obviously and now post shit on here while recovering. I have 5in less small bowel though, had a tumor obstructing it. V close to perforation.
No. 1031895
>>1031888It's just weird how a company with no track record for safety or success was allowed to zip through their clinical trials.
I mean, Pfizer also had to pay a $2.3 billion dollar fine for fraudulent marketing and J&J knew their baby power had talcum in it and was found guilty of contributing to the opiod crisis, so who am I kidding for thinking we should hold pharma companies to higher standards.
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>>1031683Wow, how shocking! Not.
No. 1031924
>>1031914The COVID vaccine is Moderna's first ever product available to the market. They have no record or success or failure, so it's weird to me that a company with no history with any successful (or unsuccessful) medical products was allowed to have shortened clinical trials for something that would be given to millions and millions of people.
Not to mention that the MRNA technology used in the vaccines has also never been successfully used on humans before.
No. 1032033
>>1031963Got 3 pfizers, didn't affect my period at all.
Friend got 2 pfizers, 1 moderna and has earlier, more painful periods now.
No. 1032051
>>1032009>>1031898Wait, the "How shocking! Not" anon was trying to defend them? Because I was referring to this, not whatever happened in 2009:
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635The 2009 thing just makes them look even MORE shady lmao. Great work. Shills are hopeless
No. 1032139
>>1032022The remaining health workers just get overworked more
nonnie. It's a women's field (nursing, psw) so they don't give a fuck.
No. 1032389
>>1032382I haven't been ill at all in years, and people around me are just fine despite getting the coof so it's easy for me to not think about it too much as I wasn't affected.
But the other day I took a cab. As I entered, the driver said "wait please" and proceeded to disinfect the entire interior. At first I though nice but soon I thought isn't that a bit overkill. He finishes, we go. The radio is playing, an advertisement comes up for some cough syrup playing coughing sounds and the driver grimaces and changes the station with the speed of light.
Dude must've had someone on the vent or dead or something.
Still thinking about that encounter.
No. 1032395
So, gonna admit some shit, but I use my friends' certificate and a pic of her ID (blurry photo) to get into places that are certificate-only (negative tests don't work, but I still get them for school). Never plan on getting any of the Covid-19 vaccines - I've got 0 faith in them right now (at the start of the pandemic I'd be nr.1 to get in line to get the jab). A few days ago me and my BF went to a shopping mall; I got in easily, but he didn't. His certificate expired (it was the 12th of January, but the expiration for his certificate is on 22nd of February) and he got so genuinely upset at that. I asked him "why?" and long story short - I now understand why so many young people our age (20 to 25) actually get the jab. Both because universities and jobs force it, but also because we/they are SO used to the luxuries such as parties, clubs, gyms, shopping malls, that as soon as they're denied them, they spiral into anger.. So instead of making change by rioting or petitioning, they choose to comply their way out of tyranny.. Which'll never ever happen. I'm disappointed a bit!
No. 1032596
>>1032579I think the thing to remember is while there are large groups of people shrinking vaccines and other measures of reducing the spread the government is going to try and combat that by more media rounds.
There's been research into further boosters and it's coming back it's not a solution. I've got the third booster and if anything my periods have become more regulated since summer when I got the first vaccine. I haven't once got covid and I've been in close contact with a few who have, a couple now have long covid symptoms. One who got it was skeptical of getting the vaccine but she says she would hate to think what would happen if she got covid and didn't get vaccinated. Her husband was hospitalised with it too.
No. 1033805
>>1033788Oh no I hope you two feel better soon. Rest rest rest as much as you can.
>>1033650That’s a very sick mindset. I hope your friends find peace in their hearts.
No. 1033988
>>1033819Personally I don't know any frequent marijuana smokers who got COVID. Myself included.
I have friends who had COVID in their household. People who smoked didn't test positive, only the people who didn't smoke or smoked occasionally. My friend was making out with her stoner girlfriend the day before she tested positive. How the hell can you be making out with someone with COVID and still not get COVID? Maybe it's the weed.
No. 1034026
>>1033988NTA but something similar happened to me as well and it's so weird. All of my family (me included) got covid last year but my father who's a smoker (regular cigs though, not weed) didn't test positive once even if he was quarantined with us, gave my mother and brother injections every day, walked around with no mask and even ate leftovers from my plate.
It's also interesting how I got covid (which could have been delta or the english variant) pretty mildly while I'm a bit underweight and usually sickly, but my brother who's a fridge and never gets sick got sent to the hospital with pneumonia. I wish we could know precisely how and why some people react badly to covid beyond "if you're fat and sick you're gonna die, otherwise you'll be fine".
No. 1034037
>>1034034>otherwise very normal peopleNo. All vaccinated and unvaccinated people I know still act normal to each other and myself.
There was only one person that went coo-coo, and he was already a loser neet.
No. 1034080
>>1034069An ounce a week is ridiculous. I remember when they were saying Cannibis Use Disorder put you at higher risk a few months ago.
https://source.wustl.edu/2021/08/cannabis-use-disorder-another-covid-risk-factor/I'm only reading the article now and it's a bunch of BS lol
>The genetic predisposition to CUD is overrepresented in people with poor COVID-19 outcomes.>…used genetic epidemiological models to determine that genetic predisposition to CUD is related to risk for a severe reaction to COVID-19>Having genetic variants does not mean a person has CUD or that the person has used cannabis.>The genetic association between CUD and COVID-19 severity was similar in size to genetic correlations between COVID-19 severity and BMI, a well-known risk factor for severe COVID-19 presentations. Moreover, it was present even when accounting for genetic liability to BMI as well as other risk factors for a severe reaction to COVID-19, including metabolic traits (e.g., fasting glucose, hypertension); respiration traits (e.g., forced expiratory volume, COPD); socioeconomic status; alcohol and tobacco use; and indices of impulsivity.So basically it's not necessarily heavy cannibus use that causes COVID, it's whether you are genetically predisposition to developing Cannibus Use Disorder. LOL!
Im my opinion, they're also trying to sway the public but not defining what Cannibis Use Disorder is.
If you have CUD, you're smoking all day, every day. Very very few people who like to smoke actually smoke this much. Someone who smokes every night isn't going to develop CUD.
No. 1034085
>>1034080>CUDJust say addiction ffs
Since when are researchers obfuscating pussies
No. 1034943
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Trust the science
No. 1036193
>>1036005>my lefty friendsOne of the more bizarre elements of this is that a lot of leftists openly shill for big pharma profits. I can remember when it was the left who had no trust in the government and was suspicious of big corporations. Interesting how it's now flipped over time.
>>1036120I can forgive Johnson for what he's done because he hasn't repeated what happened in places like Italy or Austria. There's no compulsory mandate to get vaxxed and there's no covid passports. People having the freedom to chose is more important than him acting like a twat.
No. 1036970
>>1036858Omicron will peak soon in most places. I would wait 2 weeks.
I hope it's not too schizo to say that Long COVID is real and there's no way to know beforehand if that "mild flu" won't turn into a lifelong disability. I would wait just a few weeks til the peak is finally through.
No. 1037463
>>1037447she's right. it's not just suppliers, but the truckers are on a huge strike right now over vaccine mandates. a lot of warehouses are getting irregular deliveries and shipments, and sometimes sit empty. there are other factors at play, like the droughts and fires this summer wrecking domestic ag and produce (meat too, but produce has become ludicrous). dock workers were also in strike but i'm not sure if anything ever came of that. inflation and panic buying play a smaller role, but it's almost impossible to get enough items in to meet demand. the items that do come in are very expensive and sometimes worse for wear.
big grocery chains and supermarkets are more freely able to eat a certain margin of expense and utilize a lot of deceptive sales and promos with sneaky spacing and layouts to give the illusion of stability and accessible goods, but they are having difficulty getting enough stock on the floor for certain items
No. 1037478
>>1037463Thanks for the info anon, I ended up trying to find some articles that seemed more neutral and they seemed to relay the same information…
God I'm so tired of this shit, what clown ass time line are we in
No. 1037479
>>1037475I can believe that is contributing to it but from what I'm reading
>>1037463 is correct that multiple people are striking due to vaccine mandates… It makes no sense to me people aren't given a choice, especially when I have multiple family members who have had extreme reactions after vaccination (blood clots, stroke, etc) and had their family doctors advise against boosters for this reason. If I was a worker who had family members like that I'd want to be able to say no too? That they have to chose between that chance and their jobs is pants on head retarded
No. 1037492
>>1037479Right, it seems like both are happening at once and it's an awful combination for the people relying upon the deliveries.
>>1037475 makes sense to me but surely strikes are also having an impact and that's part of the bigger picture.
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Anons, am I an idiot for refusing to travel somewhere far (to countries that are far away) because of a huge possibility of getting sick? My immune system was never great and my second dose reaction lasted a long time, and who knows who I would encounter in and outside huge airports. I keep seeing people travelling around the world with no care… I want to visit my family, haven't seen them in four years but they cannot get vaccinated due to their health and they live in a full anti-vaxx country where people believe only in home remedy. It's tough.
No. 1037510
>>1037507Honestly anon even without COVID you'd not be an idiot for not wanting to do that
I traveled cross world and back just as COVID hit and I don't think most people realize how straining that actually is on your system. I also have an autoimmune disorder and it acted up worse than it ever has when I went, purely from the stress of long travel. Seeing your family is important but your health (both physical and mental) is too, and already feeling paranoid about sickness will just make it harder on you.
I'm not trying to cause fear for you if you decide to go through with going, either. Realistically there is many reasons not to be scared and things you can do to lessen that strain… But I wouldn't fault you at all for staying home if you feel better staying home
No. 1037519
>>1037510I am being paranoid because travelling alone would Include
>4 hours in a bus that doesn't have any isolation, later then travelling to an airport>arriving to a different one>my family is in the second biggest city and the most popular one around tourists>having to choose a completely random taxi driverAnd country itself can pull anything at any minute, especially with current political news that terrify me a lot. They've got the most cases right now and I can't find the safest season to travel in: late spring, summer and autumn are full of tourists 24 7, so it's always either early spring or early winter. And the government is planning something beyond mandatory QR codes in order to use a bus. I don't know what to expect. But of course, most importantly would be my family's health. That's the thing I am worried about, not even about myself.
No. 1037539
>>1036858Going out, having fun, and living your life is not reckless. Would you stay home for any other illness? If you would have went pre-2020 in flu season, you should start going.
Omicron is a cold. As long as you don't have 4+ comorbidities you will be fine. I promise.
No. 1037547
>>1037492Ironic how the vaccine mandates are causing more damage than they are actually helping people.
Unrelated, but you know how they are padding the talking point the unvaccinated are clogging up hospitals? People aren't considered fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after their second jab. Do you ever wonder how many "unvaccinated" people ended up in hospitals because of vaccine complications?
No. 1037921
>>1036858I'd go. Check the rates for your own country but in my country the hospitalisation and IC rates keep going lower and lower every day despite infection rates skyrocketing. This says enough about how little of a problem Omicron is. I'd only not go if infection means quarantine and you'd rather avoid that (because of unpaid leave or making things difficult with exams if you're in uni for example). Yeah there's always going to be a risk, but getting the regular flu also has risks, technically even for young people, so does taking a painkiller or going on BC. There's never going to be a 0% risk for anything you do in life.
Personally I'm out to get omicron so I won't have to get a booster (for now) and I know there's far from few people who're thinking this.
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Long COVID is and will be a mass disabling event for a significant portion of the population of those who've contracted COVID. I'm not scared of COVID itself but I am scared of Long COVID.
No. 1038840
>>1038567This variant is very recent, so the answer can't be known at this time.
>>1038581Playing devil's advocate here. Could it just be stress?
No. 1038968
>>1038933it unfortunately is real. post viral illnesses have always existed and they are poorly understood. you can get post-viral illnesses from tons of infections like ebv, herpes or the flu.
>>1038943it's symptoms lasting 2 months past infection. some original sars sufferers are still dealing with inflammation, fatigue and shortness of breath over 10 years later. also thats not how myocarditis works lol, you don't get it forever unless it's the chronic type which isn't vaccine induced aka acute
No. 1039272
>>103896810 yrs? Are we talking about COVID or the flu. COVID only became a pandemic two or three years ago. Plenty of people are still dealing with vaccine induced myocarditis which isn't curable but you have to highly maintain it. It's not a one and done thing anon. Also I remember vaccine nazis use to float on Twitter about their precious vaccines until they realized the companies don't plan on paying for their thousands of dollars worth of myocarditis bills
I also am glad some countries are creating rules that force employers to pay for employees vaccines injuries and deaths if a vaccine injury were to happen, it does make me glad I held off on the vaccine because of how quickly everything around it is changing
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Holy shit fuck yes my western europe country might remove the passport in the coming summer (2022). It was looking very bleak until now wooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
No. 1039900
>>1039575yeah I'm still glad not to be flying on that plane. I won't attend his going away party no matter where. He's been a dick and stupid this whole time, I literally warned him to be careful this month if he expects to fly internationally back home. He went on vacation and was around kids.
He is a researcher and does the most retarded things at times. stingy as fuck too, i brought a moderately priced wine (not cheap shit) to something once and at the next gathering he brought a slighty more expensive wine. And asked me for $10 so we'd be "even." I could go on.
at least he is leaving. i hope
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>but but muh you didn't include the percentage of the population who's vaccinated! This actually proves the vaccine works and you don't know statistics
No. 1040472
>>1038933On one hand I understand why governments and medical orgs (who inform insurance) want to deny long Covid because they would be the ones paying for ongoing care.
In the other hand, I know two people who have long Covid and they were both munchies beforehand. One I know is like "it's been three months and I'm still tired" ok but I've never seen her eat a vegetable or drink water?? Maybe it is real but I think in a few years Long Covid will be up there with ED'S and POTS as munchie favorites
No. 1041179
>>1041072Nta and I don't know dick about how this stuff works, so maybe some other anon can explain if there is or isn't any logic behind this, but my tinfoil roomie is saying it's because COVID symptoms are worse based on the amount of "spike proteins" in your system and that the vaccine increased those spike proteins?
She also sent me this video:
https://futurenews.news/watch?id=61ef5090bd040115d71661bcI haven't watched it yet but based on her tinfoil ranting and raving the video goes into detail about how the vaccine is fucking people up or something. Unno, I didn't really want to bother watching it but if what she is saying is true why is no one talking about this lol
No. 1041186
>>1041072The vaccine isn't a traditional vaccine which is what makes your immune system stronger. They could have gotten a dead version of the virus and used that, hell I would have been first in line but no they decide to use experimental mRNA without testing it on humans and then burying the side effects while refusing to go back to the lab, and there's a lot of useless ingredients in the jab that's been causing clots. They use a popular skincare medication that has been recalled 2 times for causing blood clots in moderna, it's not even necessary to put that in either. The fact that there's 6+ vaccines should tell you everything you need to know, vaccines aren't overly complicated to make nor do they need several types to create it
I remember at the beginning of this someone said "instead of COVID vaccines we should use a dead version of the virus" and vaccine shills were using this as a "checkmate antivaxxers!! You're all just stupid and want a vaccine just get Pfizer" but are now suffering the side effects from mRNA
No. 1041271
>>1041218Different anon whose just curious but isn't it impossible for it to be fully researched because not enough time has passed? I've seen a lot of things saying also that testing hasn't been done on various groups so how can it be considered safe?
Also is there a reason they can't make a normal non mnra vaccine? It seems like that's most people's issues, why does it have to be mnra?
Multiple of my family members suffered clots, belspalsy and stroke after their vaccination and were advised against follow ups… But initially their symptoms were being dismissed as tinfoil/coincidence and now it's being officially reported that's a possible side effect… That alone makes me feel really skeptical?
And even if the majority of people can get the vaccine without this issue, if it is mandated, what do people who experience these life changing problems do after? Who do they have to turn to when they're forced to take a vaccine and get the bad sides, since we can't hold the pharma companies responsible?
I'm asking these things sincerely and not as an antivaxxer or something. All I ever see is "you're dumb this is answered a thousand times just look"…
No. 1041312
>>1041308So the tl;dr is that the issue with vaxx sides is being misdirected towards mRNAs and the actual problems are likely being caused by reactions to other things in the vaccine, basically?
& Thanks for taking the time to reiterate this information for me, anon. I am not very knowledgeable with these things and just want to understand more
No. 1041358
>>1041179>why is no one talking about this lolPeople are, but they are being censored
nonnie.
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>>1042067Since 2013. So only about 7 years total at most before the vaccine was shilled to the public. This is not a long time at all for a completely new technology.
No. 1042391
>>1042084You can't lie and say there hasn't been a bunch of backpedaling, lying, and everything else relating to vaccines (especially on the pro vax end). A lot of these things don't make sense to even medically trained people. Here's some examples
>For the first time in history, a bunch of people dying from the vaccine or COVID who were vaccinated, are being labeled as antivax by the media>Also for the first time in history, people have created extreme vaccine mandates for a virus that you only have a less than 2% chance of dying from.>Unvaccinated people are creating new variants, clogging up hospitals, creating mass deaths, etc even though they're a very small minority of the population, with an even much much less chance of being hospitalized and dying>Censoring articles and science, acting hostile towards people who discuss things like ivermectin to the point of censoring people when they state literal facts such as ivermectin not being horse paste>Constant lying about the vaccine effectiveness, we went from "the vaccine will prevent you from getting COVID with little to no side effects" to every single outlet flipping all over the place>Fauci admitting to lying about masks and a bunch of other stuff, still being worshipped No. 1042410
>>1041916I'm not as versed specifically in mRNA vaccines, but the mRNA molecule itself and its biological processes have been studied since the 1960s and there was a boom in the engineering side in the 90s that exponentially speed up research capabilities by having super computers be able to crunch the data. All DNA is built up of 4 letters. These letters are read in groups of three and a string of this groups becomes a gene which activates a function. That's what a human is. The dna is the code and mrna reads the code. We know some of language, we know certain combinations of letters mean specific things. We also know the code for when mrna stops reading dna, essentially a full stop, and then it begins a new chain of sequence.
There's a lot of science but basically we can read the genome of individuals and see if there codes match up with the majority. Differences in the codes can mean being more susceptible to diseases etc, or show other things like hair colour. We can also read the genomes of viruses but with new variants that means the code changed and evolved into a sub species that so many individuals got the same sequence and became different and can do different functions or they've lost functions. So with a new virus it can be more experimental just because there's new data to crunch.
And the whole thing with covid and why there's so mant variants is because of lifestyles and environmental impacts and habits with drugs legal and illegal. Scientists have been waiting for a "superbug" since antibiotic resistance is a huge concern in health. Then the way livestock is fed and pollution and just it was all just trickling away waiting for a bang.
I think because at the start we weren't cautious enough there has been a lot of mismanagement and trust lost with officials and it's a lot to take in. I just wish it would all go away tbh
No. 1045001
Trying to get diagnosed with asthma has been impossible. People have lost their fucking minds. Even with a negative COVID test no one will see you in person, or the appointment turns into a COVID-testing appointment. Even if you got tested beforehand, they test you again to be safe. I guess I will just die of asphyxiation.
>>1041271There are vaccines that don't use MRNA, for example Novavax. It's just not available in all countries yet. It's currently under FDA approval in the US.
No. 1045228
Is this shit about Omicron being VERY dangerous to children actually real like the media says? There are research and data showing that the new covid variant barely infects lungs and other vital organs (so less risk of pneumonia, breathlessness, heart inflammation and long term effects), so why would it be dangerous to kids when even the "first covid" was less harmful to them? Not trying to be a doctor here but aren't viruses in general easier on children and teenagers?
>>1045143I've had someone say shit like "oh it must be the food, how they eat and bad lifestyle" while talking about young athletes…
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this tard wants to be a martyr
No. 1045364
>>1045228"It's food" "it's drugs" "it's stress" "it's the weather" "it's all in your head" "it's not that bad and if it is it's not the vaccine, and if it was then it's your fault"
They're starting to sound like an
abusive family at this point attempting to tiptoe the blame around the actual cause
No. 1045515
>>1045309yeah it's cool that a moid wants to abandon his children due to his own fucking retardation. of course it's his choice. he's just a complete idiot who probably thinks he's a hero
>>1045310>>1045366literally braindead
No. 1046209
>>1045283what the fuck, I thought skipping the vaccination for medical reasons is okay. If this isn't a medical reason, then what fucking is? Are they insane? Might as well tell him to his face they want him to die.
>>1045299He's too ill to be transported currently.
No. 1046281
>>1045310you're on horse dose immunosupressants for life after a transplant. why waste a precious heart on an idiot who is just going to die of covid the moment he gets it because he is a walking preexisting condition. it's basic probability and numbers anon.
>>1046209a transplant waitlister is required to take a fuck ton of vaccines before their surgery, regardless of their medical condition. this has always been the case since transplants were popularized. the only
valid contraindiction would be an allergy to said vaccine. if a person cannot comply with medical advice prior to their transplant, they are expected to not comply with medical advice after their transplant. organs are precious and should not be wasted on idiots who don't listen to doctors
No. 1046482
>>1046388i'm not sure why your acting like i dont care about myo/pericarditis when it wasn't even part of the conversation. vaccine induced myocarditis chances are non zero but the risk benefit analysis in a transplant recipient is almost always going to favor vaccination over natural infection, esp if natural infection is expected post transplant. i dont know what heart condition the person in question has but if his doctors are recommending vaccination then they agree he has better chances getting the vaccine than natural infection. vaccine induced myocarditis mostly affects young, immunocompetent males which this man is not.
>Even immunocompromised people survive COVID most of the timeYou're literally pulling this out of your ass. mortality in certain transplant recipients can be up to 50% with several comorbities like obesity and hypertension. average kidney transplant recipient mortality being around 20%. Transplant patients are extremely vulnerable to all types of infection and it is ESSENTIAL to get vaccinated and boosted as much as you can before you receive a new organ so you can rely on T and B cell immunity to get you through infections after you are on immunosuppressing meds.
No. 1046489
>>1046482>You're literally pulling this out of your ass. mortality in certain transplant recipients can be up to 50% with several comorbities like obesity and hypertension. average kidney transplant recipient mortality being around 20%. Transplant patients are extremely vulnerable to all types of infection and it is ESSENTIAL to get vaccinated and boosted as much as you can before you receive a new organ so you can rely on T and B cell immunity to get you through infections after you are on immunosuppressing meds.Source please
Anyway, it just sounds like you listen to outlets being funded by vaccine companies. He's better off without the vaccine. It's also funny how myocarditis from COVID infections never seem to pop around much until the jab. On top of that doctors themselves admit the jab doesn't help prevent COVID, you know, the people you worship., in fact in some countries the jab has been shown to actually increase your likelihood of getting COVID, but sure keep encouraging him to get the jab or else he's a stupid asshole who's damaging a precious organ
No. 1046527
>>1046489NTA but how could you not understand the risk of COVID for transplant patients without straight up not believing in modern medicine at all? Like they said, transplant patients are kept on a ton of immunosuppressant drugs. Their immune systems cannot handle infections
in general on these drugs, they cannot fight them on their own. It works in a similar way to how a lot of AIDs patients in the 80s technically didn't die of AIDs, they died from shit like the common cold that was only able to kill them because they didn't have a proper functioning immune system.
Transplant patients generally have to follow a million rules to qualify for the transplant because we have a limited supply of healthy matching organs, that's why doctors won't give an alcoholic a new liver until they've been sober for a certain period of time. It's not at all unusual for someone to get passed up for a transplant because they couldn't meet the qualifications. Someone who knows they will be on immunosuppressants during a pandemic and still won't get the vaccine that would give their compromised immune system a fighting chance is not going to be approved for the transplant. You don't even have to believe COVID is any worse than the common cold to understand that, not when we already pump transplant patients full of antibiotics to help fight off regular shit like the common cold.
I'm genuinely sorry you got memed into being scared about the myocarditis thing, though. Here's a couple links that explain the confusion over it pretty well.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/04/new-covid-19-vaccine-myocarditis-claims-from-questionable-abstract-in-american-heart-association-journal/?sh=6ca1182a7a63https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-preprint-myocarditiswithdrawn/fact-check-pre-print-study-that-claimed-1-in-1000-risk-of-myocarditis-following-covid-19-vaccine-was-withdrawn-due-to-miscalculation-idUSL1N2QX1WShttps://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-study-error-anti-vaxxers-1.6188806 No. 1046534
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>>1046527mfw I saw your links
No. 1046535
>>1046489after this im gonna stop responding because you clearly dont understand how vaccines work and are genuinely retarded and keep making assumptions about me and my beliefs so i'll try not to waste too much more time. vaccine induced myocarditis is a rare adverse effect of several vaccines, including smallpox, tetanus and rabies. of course you've never heard of fucking myocarditis before this, it's a rare side effect of mostly viral infections and has never had news coverage until mrna. i do agree mrna vaccines show an elevated risk of this event in certain populations, but this level only becomes an issue in healthy teen males who I believe should be either be given adenovirus vaccines or be warned of heart inflammation symptoms and be told not to exercise 2 weeks after vax. people need to be educated about myo/pericarditis whether vax or viral as i think it's a relevant topic and early detection is key.
the jab not preventing covid is unfortunate, especially in the age of omicron, but this is a consequence of the immune escape mutation which affects both vaccinated and previously infected individuals alike. Previous infections with delta/wild type no longer protect from symptomatic omicron the exact same way vaccines don't, hence the massive amounts of reinfection. But vaccines and previous infection have thankfully allowed for infections to remain mild and out of hospital for the most part, this fact is undeniable if you have eyes. Study after study shows robust T and B cell responses and infections are staying within the mucosal area, allowing for symptoms to remain very mild.
The increase in likelihood of getting covid after vaccination is cited from a study in which the country has a vaccination 'passport' system where individuals cannot participate in public life (bars, restaurants, etc) without a vaccine pass. vaccinated people are going to go out and socialize more because their governments told them it was okay, whereas unvaxed people are more or less denied from these busy areas lol. the data will show an increase in cases as people return to normal life. this is expected as the vaccination rate continues to increase and take up the majority of the population. It sucks that the vaccine we have isn't sterilizing but i'm happy to have one that protects me from severe illness and hopefully a universal sars vaccine is in our future. People like you get all sour about the efficacy rates of vaccines being inconsistent as if the virus isn't in constant mutation, of course data will have to be updated. I literally don't care if you or anyone doesn't want a vaccine but I beg of you to not use public health resources or hospitals when you get covid or some other preventable illness. You aren't entitled to a fucking heart transplant if you can't understand the basic science that made said transplant possible.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34132811/ No. 1046559
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do you guys think this is real
No. 1046642
>>1046559So? Does this change anything? People who are skeptic towards vaccines will only find her more unreliable due to being directly involved in the "big pharma business". People who are pro-vaccine will respect her even more because she obviously knows more about science behind all that shit than all of us combined.
Nothing ever changes. People made up their mind one way or another right at the start and they won't budge.
No. 1046737
>>1046653I thought she was one of the saner furries, my bad.
>>1046646Wait. don't tell me Chise is a fucking troon
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>>1046559Am i going to turn into a furry?????
No. 1046969
>>1046535> I beg of you to not use public health resources or hospitals when you get covid or some other preventable illness. You aren't entitled to a fucking heart transplant if you can't understand the basic science that made said transplant possible.arent you the person who used CBC as a source?
why would the jab be necessary if omnicrom isnt infectious and many have argued its on par with the common cold? especially when that jab is experimental, the data tied to it wont come out for years, and asking questions about is treated as some kind of attack? the real thing we can focus on is hospitalized cases and theyve gone up amongst the vaccinated exponentially. i know the counter is "well thats because more people are vaccinated", but if its supposed to protect from severe illness then why are they taking up hospital capacity while unvaccinated arent? surely anyone unvaccinated would be filling up the hospital by now if they didnt have the oh so holy vaccine. you just sound like youre intentionally ignoring what people are saying especially if you even scroll up or look at past threads because we have countered all these statements before, while pfizer-chans will still reappear with the same exact points as if they havent been discussed.
No. 1047355
>>1047174Vaccinated people who act this way are usually the nastiest, most unhygienic fuckers of them all and then just shill the vaccine in order to feel like everyone else is disgusting except for them. As if an unvaccinated person who works out, gets all their other shots, eats healthy, has good hygiene and avoids people is more unhealthy than some fatass who has 3 STDs, hasn't washed their hands in ages, and sucks face with a new person every night. Seriously what's even the point of everyone repeating themselves about how the vaccine obviously doesn't stop the spread or prevent COVID when these retards will still attempt to use it against people?
>Hur dur GET THE JAB you're the reason why we're all locked up you disgusting diseases spreading plague rat. I hope you all die in a hole unemployed, without medical care, and your family hates you>The jab doesn't prevent COVID, doctors say this, it just makes the individual less likely to die, which was already extremely unlikely in the first place>UMMM sweaty I know this I had covid 3 times and was hospitalized for it each time but thanks to my jab I survived, sure you haven't had covid but if you get it you'll surely die!! No. 1048526
>>1048507She was more likely to die from a general anaesthesia complication, a dog attack, or a falling coconut.
It’s an awful tragedy but it’s also not murder or neglect. Serious adverse reactions are rare, not the norm.
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>>1048507>using the day old death of a family member to try to own the pro-vaxxers on lolcowDamn, I’d feel bad but you’re either baiting or a total sociopath lol
picrel, how I’ll sleep tonight with all this blood on my little vaccinated hands No. 1048668
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>>1048507You could have really tried harder than this.
No. 1048729
>>1048627Sure anon. Keep getting your news from middle aged crazy women on Facebook.
There’s secretly a mass grave filled with a thousand American college athletes all dead from the vaccine, it’s just behind the White House I bet.
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Remember ladies, medicine journals that go against modern propaganda is only old white lady news and side effects are still extremely extremely rare regardless of what doctors, scientists, and other healthcare workers say!!1!!
No. 1048920
>>1048526I saw this post while scrolling up and thought it was about COVID itself, until I looked at what you were replying to. I swear this same exchange happened in one of the last COVID threads, but in reverse lol
You guys can go back and forth forever. The fact remains that the medical industry (as a whole) lied and fucked people's lives over for money. The whole LARP isn't even funny
No. 1048921
>>1048871>first guy literally killed himselfthere is no way to know for sure if it was psychosis or from "febrile delirium. I've never heard of anyone killing themsleves from a high fever but ok
>second and third people died after the vaccineok, where's the proof they died
from it? I'm more inclined to believe the third one did since he died of heart complications, but the second woman died from a brain hemorrhage. why would you assume it was from the vaccine
No. 1048973
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>>1048967>While there is an national case definition for COVID-19 cases, currently there is no such standard definition for reporting ofassociated deaths.
>This means that jurisdictions may be counting deaths using different methods.Don't you think after almost two years they would have come up with an official classification of what is considered a COVID death? Shouldn't this be a red flag because they are making public policy decisions of these statistics they don't even have a proper definition or classification for?
https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.cste.org/resource/resmgr/pdfs/pdfs2/20211222_interim-guidance.pdf No. 1049000
>>1023986>>1024405I don't check the thread often so this is a late reply, but here's one: Verne Troyer (aka Mini Me). He died in unexplained but otherwise non-suspicious circumstances. Then like a year later one of his relatives confirmed it just alcoholism.
Google the articles yourself, you can see the ones around his death don't say what caused it but just brush over it.
No. 1049096
>>1049065How many of them were already on death's door? It gets especially weird considering the definition of COVID death is still under question, as
>>1048973 said.
Vaccines for those at risk, with consent? Yes. Everyone else, with coercion/forced consent? Unnecessary, creepy and can even be harmful (and I think if the focus here was on keeping people safe, everyone would share this opinion)
No. 1049153
>>1049023>>1049036>>1049076Same, I'm
>>1017643 and never even ended up testing positive despite having the mildest symptoms possible (caughing around 10 times times at night for ~5 days and a very mildly itching throat).
No. 1049258
>>1049065The nearly 5 million people may not have been 5 million, and when did they die? At the start of the pandemic when we didn't know what worked with covid, hospitals weren't ready and masks and tests weren't a thing? How many of them actually died from another illness but got thrown in with the covid deaths instead? How many were neglected? How many were elderly, terminal or sick? (Not that it's fine that they died, but it's a very different situation)
Now the Omicron variant is taking over (at least in Europe) and seriously, it's a week long cold at most. A vaccine isn't needed for everyone, if it was then we would also have to vaccinate everyone for the common cold or the flu, but that would be insane.
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>>1049309Hey don't leave the cucknadians out of the shame for this. I do blame mass censorship for this, attempting to force a majority of people to get injected with an experimental treatment without knowing how it affects a diverse population while also gaslighting those experiencing side effects or are worried about side effects was an awful idea in the first place
No. 1050614
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>side effects are extremely, extremely rare. Like 1 in a million. If you say otherwise you're literally saying the vaccine is making everyone drop dead right this second
No. 1050637
>>1050614>female infertilitygood thing I don't want kids
>diseases of the nervous system over 1000% increaseplease be fake holy shit
No. 1050813
>>1050695My province is planning to lift restrictions and I'm cackling watching people in my city's Reddit sperg out about it. The level of segregation and woke powertrip the loud minority on there is going on over vaxxed vs not is insane.
Can't wait for more people to finally realize what a retarded cuck Trudeau is, too. Thought more people actually peaked but then somehow he got re-elected.
No. 1050885
>>1050813Is it really that polarized there?
I somehow find it hard to imagine Canadians turning on themselves.
Kith and make up, now!
No. 1052124
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>>1052111You could be right though because these numbers are terrifyingly high.
Here is the rest of the page..
>PDF OF THE LETTER: https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/FB6DDD42-4755-4FDC-BEE9-50E402911E02>"Several world-renowned doctors and medical experts spoke during a panel discussion titled “Covid-19: A Second Opinion” in Washington DC on January 24, 2022, that was hosted by Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI)" > >During the event, Ohio attorney Thomas Renz presented DOD medical billing data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED).> >Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMONZMuS2U No. 1052492
>>1052479Oh, I understand now, you were being facetious. My bad
>>1052488I have a genetic immune system disorder I share with multiple of my family members, all of who have had these "rare" side effects happen post vaccination. I am inclined to believe I stand a decent chance of experiencing side effects from the vaccine. Yet no one gives a fuck and just keeps telling me "it's rare and you're immune compromised so you need the vaccine!"
I sincerely believe at this point I am more likely to experience complications from the vaccine than COVID, and I really hate that I'm being made out to be some retarded psycho for thinking so. Like sure, maybe they're rare for the average person, but it looks pretty fucking apparent to me based on my family's reactions my chances are a bit higher?!
Even lots of my family are saying I should just get the vaccine "so I don't have to worry about getting tested for work"… Like Holy fuck, you are just completely ignoring multiple of our relatives that clearly share a genetic problem with me have had serious issues from it? It's like the world is playing two different games of Russian roulette and is calling me retarded for not wanting to pull either
trigger…
(Sorry for blog rant, I just find it so hard to believe these sides are actually as rare as they're being made out to be and I wish more data would come out so people would consider that)
No. 1052511
>>1052495Sorry, I wasn't the og anon saying fake. I just don't understand why is this not discussed?
Are there any anons who know us government shit more or med studies who can explain why this is being ignored? Like to me these findings being by the us department of defense sounds like a reason for discussion or further research? Are they not a reliable source or something? I just don't get it, I can't find legitimate discussion of this anywhere, just things denouncing that senator for being a crackpot… But his crackpottery shouldn't invalidate a legitimate government institutions study, right?
(I'm seriously uninformed on how this all works and I'm really confused by this)
No. 1052759
>>1046527And how can you not understand that these injections arent vaccines per the old definition? Its gene technology thats obviously not fucking working, they are catching covid 19 at much higher rates in my home country where they cant rig the numbers due to the low population number.
The conflation is what confuses people, they think its just an old school vaccine with some virus residue, well it isnt.
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I have to watch this ad whenever I play a certain game (watching ads gives you points or I'd turn it off) and the hospitalist says, "It's heartbreaking for me to say to that patient in the bed that they are going to be put on life support and they have to make that phone call (and tell people). That's why it's so important to get vaccinated" I thought that once a patient was at that point they can't breathe unassisted much less speak and make phone calls?
No. 1052984
>>1052773Old white ladies have been shilling the jab the most, the only people who are anti COVID jab are labeled conspiracy theorists, which is surprisingly a diverse group.
Also didn't you lefties cancel black people like nicki minaj for not being militantly pro vax? I seriously don't understand where this "old white people are the only anti vaxxers" comes from, it's the other way around if anything
No. 1053900
>>1053490I and everyone I know had milder side effects from the booster shot. I was tired for a day and had a sore arm for 3 days. That was it.
in case it matters.
No. 1055041
>>1006423Not to step on your toes but this seems to cite a Canadian drug study as its primary evidence that the FDA is underperforming in America.
Also, just because something is in clinical trials doesn't mean that it's experimental per-se. It can take decades to finish clinical trials for certain drugs, considering there's no real way to test for long term emergent symptoms besides, well, testing over the long term.
I don't disagree that the FDA is fucked though. Most of western medicine is fucked, doctors will still give patients oxy for chronic pain before trying any kind of physical therapy.
No. 1059367
Mom: vaxxed & boosted
Sis: unvaxxed
Me: 2x vaxxed, no booster
Mom gets it first; she has extremely mild sympoms (just a cough, no fever), tests positive 2 days after we all hang out at her house.
We get tested because she begs us to, but we are negative.
ONE DAY after I get the results back, It hits. I'm unable to get out of bed for nearly a week. I don't get a test because it's pretty obvious. I lay out of school, call out of work, and quietly die.
Unvaxxed sister gets ANOTHER test after my symptoms appear, and tests positive. She experiences mild fatigue. Her boss tells her to isolate for 5 days, which she does. But she doesn't get so much as a sniffle. She lays out of work and does nothing. Work gives her another test, she tests negative at the end of the 5 days.
So is it really, actually true that double-vaxxed people are worse off than unvaxxed or boosted?? Because I'm seeing everyone tell stories like that. And my experience was the same.
(Also, my triple-vaxxed mom seems to have given us both COVID? Make it make sense.)
No. 1059870
>>1059422And your neighbor and kids all turned out fine, right?
Kinda like they just got a bad cold, I'm sure.
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>>1059852
No. 1060813
>>1060113You dont know PJW?
And yes, he looks feminine, great observation.
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thank god they're not going to rush the vaccine for babies just yet (trust me, they will, but at least they're taking a breath) Cue Reddit-ass parents losing their shit and "following the science". Let's get this party started and shoot my damn kid up full of emergency drugs NOW!
No. 1062313
>>1062271And then he uses verifiable sources. The speaker and researcher is the literal director of the COVID 19 research fund not to mention a doctor with more verifiable sources spoke before him saying similar about how the jab is killing more than it's saving.
I don't know why you want to act like these are just random unqualified idiots just speaking about nothing just because you don't like what they have to say. It's an advisory committee ffs. Everyone who spoke uses scholarly, verifiable and
valid sources and are qualified and experienced and have enough education to speak about this. Are you that anon who also swore up and down they knew how to come to conclusions via statistics better than doctors?
No. 1062871
>>1062418So how are we going to get literally anywhere by saying "don't trust anything". Also statistics about side effects aren't conspiracy theories. And "fact checkers" on reuters or whatever just saying "wrong" with no further explanation isn't "evidence proving these statistics wrong"
It's plain and simple - the vaccine was rushed and there has been tons of evidence showing major side effects being common place. What even are you trying to say?
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>>1062871>>1062418I'm honestly sick of the gaslighting around the vaccine. A conspiracy theory is defined as believing there is a certain group responsible for an event, while there are conspiracy theories revolving around the vaccines, pointing out a defective product isn't a conspiracy theory. Are we going to claim any sort of medicinal side effects are conspiracy theories now? How far are we going to go with this?
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>>1062922>BruhNTAYRT, I sense opportunist vibes from him. But I don't have evidence.
>>1062896I don't like the fearmongering on both sides. He could of been more level-headed with how he presented his findings.
No. 1063510
>>1063500Dude he
was calm, but his slides made the situation seem like it was the gravest thing!
>@4:21:21>@4:22:19>I'm sure there were better examples but my kettle is calling me lolSomething seems odd about the way his presentation came off. Compared to the guy who spoke right after him–the uk guy's information seemed more sensible. To add, I believe you and I do not support this medical campaign…but I am not for the fearmongering.
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>>1063510Thats because for a lot of people it IS the "gravest thing". Several vaccine injured people, think it's the gravest thing, even the ones with death sentences from myocarditis. People aren't taking the effects of the vaccine seriously and for people who genuinely care about others well being it's scary and terrible and at times you do want to feel like you need to. It's heartbreaking to hear about how many kids are dying and getting life threatening injuries from this. It hurts hearing the amount of people who are forced to give up on their career due to vaccine injuries. The companies didn't even know that the vaccine would lose effectiveness long term - yet we're supposed to just remain calm and not do anything when they want to force everyone to get experimental vaccines with no way of knowing long term effects - all for a virus most people will survive from without being hospitalized. What do you want people to do?
No. 1063555
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>>1063533u sound as bad as the branch covidians rn. that video circulated the antivaxx community months ago. get off the soapbox, quit using stale memes and stay updated if u want to have an impact. Good God Gal, Get a Grip
No. 1063600
>>1063555>You just suck and this is oldDo you have a
valid argument or?
No. 1063610
>>1063600oh disculpe, u sound
unfruitfully frantic. that is my point
No. 1063729
>>1063610Lmao nta pero en serio eres retrasada?
Did you think life changing issues just ceased being problems for people because you read about them months ago? You think people discussing these issues publicly are considered memes?
I'm not even a very empathetic person and I can still logically conceive anon's pov. You sound so ridiculous the only reasonable assumption I can make is that you don't realize you quoted the wrong post or something.. npi. Embarrassing
No. 1063739
>>1063733….you realize vaccine side effects are a real, medically and officially documented thing and not some imaginary boogeyman, right?…
Your iq has to be higher than room temperature… Right…? Anon..??
No. 1063764
>>1063749Kek, multiple of my family members have suffered life changing reactions to vaccination causing stroke, bloodcots, etc. Yet they don't count because you think there is a "superior" boogeyman out there?
Your black and white divisional thinking is just voicing how little you seem to be capable of sensible thought – or even the empathy or care you're using as a driving force to plead your cause. It's actually so pathetic you're trying to bully other people into your way of thinking with the bottom line of helping others when you can't even afford the same to these
victims. Are people just a statistic to you? Does the irony of trying to fight for a minority's health (women) while saying another minority (those affecting negatively by vaccines) shouldn't matter never bite you in the ass? Do you unironically lack that level of self reflection over what you're saying? Maybe you should sit back and have a big, long think over the real reasons you feel the need to sling shit at people who care about things you don't, because it sure as fuck isn't out of concern for others.. Unno if you're trying to fool us or yourself, though. Big. Yikes.
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So…why did the CEO of Moderna just dump all his stocks and delete his Twitter account?
https://twitter.com/sbancelhttps://twitter.com/rallanwriting/status/1492298954670804992?s=21Waiting for some perfectly reasonable explanations from the usual defenders in this thread
No. 1063795
>>1063787Ngl I only check these threads to see if there's any interesting antivaxx info or scandals, so I'd be all for this, but after a quick google it looks like it's being said the guy didn't use his Twitter much for nearly 3-4 years now and that he didn't actually sell all of his stocks - he's just still selling stocks as he has been this whole time, but still owns a massive share
Can't personally back up the truth of this because I honestly am not invested enough in this particular thing to go investigate, but I haven't seen anything but social media post speculating to prove otherwise… So, for now I'm inclined to believe this particular scandal is being blown out of proportion
No. 1063815
>>1063729I’m not the anon you quoted…but lol. Anons have brought up the gene therapy issues before—you’ve lost the ability to scroll up? She’s acting like
>>1063739we’re not aware. I’m inclined to assume through her animated frenzied words that she has just gotten her world rocked by discovering the uglier side of the pandemic. She needs to calm down and see that she’s mirroring the alarmist behavior the other side has exhibited. What can she accomplish with such an attitude? Nothing. If she’s so concerned, then she should go out and act instead of sperging on an imageboard. Like it was mentioned above I’ve seen her contributions, the video and tweet thread, posted numerous times on 4chan and “antivaxx”(skeptic imo) spaces. It’s a weak appeal to pathos, and is not enough to sway anyone opposing into action. You guys are much more capable then scaring everyone with loaded language. Stop the pettiness.
No. 1063831
>>1063815Anon I'm seriously not trying to be rude but what the fuck are you even talking about I cannot follow your train of thought…
Literally how did you extrapolate fearmongering from this anon's (
>>1063533 ) post… Because that anon and the attached picture at no point even denounce vaccines. It's not fear mongering to bring attention to side effects that are a serious problem for people and that those people are being shushed and told to shut up by people like the anon I was replying to… Are we even reading the same shit here or are you convoluting the present conversation with posts up thread and drawing this imaginary connection with all antivaxx rhetoric just because an image describing someone's issues when faced with vaccine sides is being used? Please point out what in the image or in that anon's post was fear mongering because I must be fucking blind
No. 1064118
>>1063501I haven't gotten Omicron but two of my family members did and were both puking nonstop for the first day or two. One actually got it first and gave it to the other when she visited her because she didn't know she had the coof yet and thought she had just gotten over some food poisoning
>>1063787God between this and the furry I'm feeling more sketched out about going with Moderna than I already was kek
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I always that people who said Pfizer paid normies to make posts defending them on social media but stuff like this is just shady. What even is the intent? Is it an antivaxxers attempting to make the provaxxers look bad? Is it some vaccine shill pretending to be a nurse to enforce the vaccine they've been socially brainwashed to defend? Is it an actual nurse dismissing concerns? Is it someone who vaccine companies are paying if they submit proof of them posting on social media? What would one get out of gaslighting victims of the vaccine side effects?
No. 1066024
>>1065762I got it when I was anachan and in college and it wasn't the best but definitely not worth shutting the entire world down and forcing everyone to get injections over. The literal swab test was worse than COVID imo. It's hysterical that so many people are tearing apart family, friends, relationships, etc over a virus that's extremely mild for most people
>Inb4 muh deaths!!!Obesity kills way more anyway and I don't see any of you ghosting family members and insisting people be homeless for being fat
No. 1072640
>>1072614Nta but can we stop these vague anecdotes about people we know. Trust me bro I know all these people and here's what happened..
I don't care what side someone is on but vague as fuck claims about how people around you all had this totally black and white similar experience.. every last one backs you up without any exceptions. Like are we still doing this? Believe whatever you want personality but you're not making a statement.
No. 1077019
>>1072614This kek. The COVID death rate has actually gone UP since vaccine roll outs. Where were all these people dying before this holy vaccine was supposed to lower our risk of death? The vaccine hasn't done a single thing it was promised to do and everyone is sitting here tearing their lives apart over it and on repeat, blasting "so what? Just get the jab! You'll be fine!"
I'd imagine the long term effects will be revealed very soon and it's scary to think about but I am thankful I didn't get it
No. 1077200
>>1077019I often see your point of view but the vaccine was never meant to be a cure. It’s to help with the severity/spread, much like the flu shot. Covid has mutated and more people have died as a result, sometimes regardless of who has the vaccine.
I have had 3 shots and there’s literally nothing wrong with me in terms of ‘side effects’. I also haven’t caught Covid yet either.
Some people might get side effects but that’s true to any medication - it can happen to anyone.
You do you of course, it is a choice after all but I wish people would stop thinking it’s a conspiracy.
Can we all just agree that the world was not prepared for covid and the vaccines were rolled out as an attempt to help stop it?
No. 1077453
>>1077200>Can we all just agree that the world was not prepared for covid and the vaccines were rolled out as an attempt to help stop it?I agree with this and don't think they are an intentional conspiracy, but I also think it's a joke to believe that pharmaceutical giants won't still cut corners for profit or reputation reasons even during a global crisis and that toothless government organizations have little interest in holding them to account if (yes,
if) something happened to be wrong. The people in those high offices have financial ties to those companies and their stocks and will always always put themselves first. I don't think it's some Bill Gates microchip depopulation agent by any means, that's just retarded, but there are still real reasons for people to feel hesitant. It's hard to trust people who you know just don't care if normal working class people live or die, so of course not everyone will feel safe in a situation where corrupt rich scrotes are mandating something for everyone's body. It's the best thing we could do to try to reduce covid, sure, but the state of the world still means that the best case scenario sucks ass.
No. 1081984
>>1081957it doesn't. it
helps prevent it.
>jab so you're a /pol/tard. got it.
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>>1081984Nta but jab is just a commonly used term. Not an online thing or attached to a side.
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>>1082292Just because you need to get it every year, doesn't mean it doesn't work
COVID jab isn't a failure because you need to get boosters, it's a failure because it does fuck all at protecting anyone from COVID
> Covid has become way more contagious but less fatal overtime and that's why more people are infected everyday than before but there are less people go die or get hospitalized.covid hasn't changed in fatality in the slightest, the survival rate remained the exact same since the pandemic begun. Also if the jab truly worked it would take much longer for the amount of vaccinated people to get infected but it seems like they're the only ones who get infected anymore
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>>1082386There's been several posted throughout this thread and the last one
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-shows-vaccines-must-be?s=rThis provides more of a run down and has a ton of official links attached
>Inb4 it's just that more people are vaccinated!!Then it doesn't work either way, the rate of vaccinated people getting COVID and dying should be way less. On top of that they ARE accounting for the ratio of people vaccinated and unvaccinated, if you truly think they're not then please explain because I don't see how separating vaccinated from unvaccinated then drawing data from that is not accounting for what percentage of the population is unvaccinated
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Saw this on the retard board but didn't have time to read so just screenshotted. Anyone have any more input, information or knowledge on this study or if there's been any follow up?
No. 1086394
>>1085542That's your opinion, if I cut him out the picture it would have made zero difference and you would have ignored it and the actual link I posted and wanted to discuss has nothing to do with him, he just made the tweet I posted and you ignored the actual facts and statistics to bitch about how you don't like the poster. You're obviously just beating around the bush because you have no real difference other than "guy who made tweet that posted a study that is
valid and he had nothing to do with is bad!"
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Now that countless evidence is coming out against the vaccines, we'll still never get an apology from all the vaxtards who fearmongered, bullied and hoax claimed.
It bothers me the most that I still can't convince my brother of it, because he just refuses to read or look at the evidence/stats I show him. He simply does not want to believe it. I love him so much and we've rarely if ever disagreed on something; I've always considered him intelligent, logical and fair.. but he just keeps repeating the same "follow the science!" tier shit from Reddit. It makes me so sad.
No. 1092004
>>1089337OT but what about that other ana-chan who was even worse than Eugenia? I don't remember her name. Is she even still alive?
>>1091945I didn't have extra bleeds, in my case my cycle got a bit longer (it was about the usual 28 days before, now it's more often than not a bit above 30 days)
No. 1092007
>>1091945I have always had very heavy but regular, fairly clockwork/consistent menstrual cycles and bled for 10 days straight after getting my second shot last summer. I had to call out of work crying because I felt so fatigued I couldn’t get up, and my GP prescribed me tranexamic acid to stop the bleeding. There wasn’t really anything else unusual going on in my lifestyle, diet, etc. I know that menstrual irregularities are pretty common, and I believe there was an American university that was hoping to launch a small study about it sometime last year.
Haven’t had that issue again, for what it’s worth, and I can’t say with absolute confidence or certainty that it was related to, or caused by the vaccine. The timing just seemed a bit uncanny, given there were (seemingly) no other contributing factors.
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>>1092004If you're thinking of Ashley Isaacs, she's still alive somehow. Looking at her Insta it looks like she goes out.
If she didn't die of COVID, I feel really safe. Then again, I think this woman is immortal. No idea how she's still alive.
https://www.instagram.com/bury.wingless.crows/ No. 1100895
>>1100771OH good great haha… How long did it last for you? Did the symptoms get any worse?
I'm starting a new job in April and I really hope it's gone by then. Perfect timing I went 2.5 years no Covid and as soon as I have a job to go to, this happens
No. 1100915
>>1100731It started off as a headcold and then turned into a hellish sore throat with tons of coughing fits. It felt like I swallowed glass! I couldn't even swallow my spit for a few days without crying. I also had bouts of vertigo and diarrhea. I was sick for two weeks total but I think my experience was not normal as I am a sickly person with a autoimmune disorder.
Hope you get well soon nonna!
No. 1101603
>>1100731Got it while pregnant and unvaccinated which supposedly makes COVID worse but it was just a cold for a few days. I could function just fine, drive, do school work, etc. Nothing some cough syrup wouldn't fix
The worse part was lack of taste only because I'm a glutton and crave food a lot, easily got my taste back after a month. My husband got it as well and literally lasted a single day, I don't even think he lost his taste. He's also unvaccinated
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>>1101590It was extremely obvious to me since the beginning of this that this was going to blow up and fear monger people for a couple of years and then it would just disappear. You still have lockdown and vaccine fanboys insisting this will never disappear and we need prison style lockdowns for several months. A lot of people never want this to end because COVID was the laziest and easiest excuse people used to not take care of responsibilities.
Don't want your annoying kid around? Tell them they can't see you because of COVID. Don't feel like talking to your friends? COVID. Don't want to go to work? COVID. Family or school event? COVID. Don't want your SO around? COVID
Even businesses are using COVID as an excuse to be lazy about their items, looking at you UK domino's who used COVID to discontinue half and half pizzas and ikea who blamed COVID to not fix the hand dryers. COVID was the easiest way to be a POS but look heroic for stopping the spread and assholes loved it
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>>1107283I feel bad for anyone who was scared into getting the jab. It really does just seem like a massive, pressured human experimentation drive. All the pushing is/was insane
At least we know who the not-so-stable authoritarians and easily swayed types are in our lives, though, in case it wasn't obvious before. Anyone who said it should be forced either has egg on their face right now, or is seething and praying for things to get worse to "punish" the world
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Why is this thread still active? Covid’s over, go home.
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>>1107344We actually have really high case numbers in Scotland like A&E's begging people not to come unless they are about to die because the hospitals are overwhelmed with patients with covid. Schools having to close because so many staff are off sick.
Restrictions were loosened recently plus theres 2 new variants floating around the UK right now so we are seeing a big surge in case numbers.
No. 1109310
>>1109297where do you live where this is happening? I live in a conservative area and literally no one cares about masks if you wear them or not and sanitizers + free masks are still everywhere
>I'm kinda really immunocompromised.what's this supposed to mean?
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Vaccine-nazis are so embarrassing
>What do you mean I can't force every single workplace to invade medical privacy over a vaccine proven not to work?? This is blasphemy
No. 1116868
>>1110650It's more about the type of covid afaik. Some last longer and get you more ill, I got the latest one and it barely lasted for 5 days with a runny nose while my other friend's illness lasted for weeks.
>>1116744Have you seen health professionals about this? Did you havw underlings health problems?
No. 1117402
>>1117211Most vaccines significantly reduced outbreaks though and COVID vaccine did not, even in countries that are 90+% vaccinated. On top of that they never did what they were ever promised to do, long COVID has become more common since vaccine roll outs and death/hospitalization rates haven't changed a bit
Here's a source you didn't post
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortalityThere's literally no change in death rates in countries that are or are not mostly vaccinated
No. 1117412
>>1116905Are the people in the hospitals without ANY COVID jabs, or are they considered "unvaccinated" because it was less than 14 days since their second dose?
It's an important distinction the media isn't making.
Why are people only considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second dose anyway?
No. 1117422
>>1117412The same reason why everyone who dies "of covid" in the media is an antivaxxer even if they're fucking vaccinated kek. It's also probably to hide vaccine related deaths so they can count them as an unvaccinated COVID case.
Anyway - why are people who suffer COVID always given excuses but if you suffer from the vaccine you're gaslight? My boss made a huge deal about how bad COVID was because he got winded from having COVID and was fine the next week but when I lost weight uncontrollably from puking and shitting from the jab he refuse to let me take off and said "well it's not as bad as COVID, if you don't get your second shot you'll die". I never got my second shot and got COVID a year later and was sick for a literal day kek. He then got COVID and was put on a ventilator. I've never seen the vaccine magic work first hand
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>>1118075Omicron is extremely mild to begin with. What comparisons are you making anon? How would you know the strain of COVID people around you get?
From what I've seen vaccinated people are a lot more sensitive to new strains of the virus, which is why when omicron hit countries that are mostly vaccinated such as Israel their COVID death rate skyrocketed instead of the vast majority of the population being immune or having milder symptoms like the vaccine promised. It sucks places are hiding their statistics on COVID hospitalizations and deaths and vaccinated vs unvaccinated population statistics
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>>1118334omicron is milder probably because it infects higher up than in the lungs.
it's also milder because all the oldest and weakest who got covid are fucking dead now.
No. 1142186
>>1142179Do you have a GP or primary care doctor? They may be able to even get a phone appointment.
Also what you are talking about isn't an antibiotic btw its an antiparisitic so it won't do anything for a bacterial infection.
No. 1142208
>>1142186She's probably talking about fish amoxicillin.
Still not a good idea to take it without confirmation of a bacterial infection though. It's a broad spectrum antibiotic, so you'll kill good gut and vaginal bacteria too.
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https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1776985/000156459021016723/bntx-20f_20201231.htmPfizer / BioNTech says in its shareholder letter to the SEC that they can't confirm the efficacy of their vaccine and there is a chance that [after clinical trial results come out] the medical field will not support the COVID vaccine.
Anyone else pissed they got the vaccine after the government and pharma insisted it was so "safe and effective"?
No. 1155280
>>1155273>have two vaccines>you only sneeze if you've been vaxxedI mean…
jk. That's just omnicron for you
No. 1155293
>>1155274No. COVID vaccines are only emergency use authorized, not approved. If you read the rest of the text that is not highlighted, they continue to say that the safety and efficacy is not enough to get the vaccines from emergency authorization state to approved state. All other vaccines available to you in the US are approved because data shows they were shown to actually be safe and effective over time.
>>1155277Remember how people were saying not taking the vaccine is a choice and the consequences of losing your job, increased health premiums, and loss of social privileges should be consequences of that choice.
Now it seems that health premiums for those who got the vaccines should go up….because taking is was your voluntary choice and you should be prepared to accept the consequences of your choice.
No. 1155330
>>1155249IDK who's genius idea was it to get billions of people vaccinated with a vaccine that's only been tested for way less than a year
>But but muh McDonald'sIt always makes me laugh when vaccine shills compare the jab to McDonald's or energy drinks, they're acknowledging it's unhealthy for you, the difference is no one bullies you if you choose not to eat McDonald's. Of course everyone is too deep into eating up manipulation from medicine to never ever question it.
No. 1155335
>>1155277I always hated conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers but at least I can admit they were correct since the beginning of this
>It doesn't work!True
>They're going to keep forcing endless boostersTrue
>There will be long term side effects True
>They're going to try to come out with new variants in order to hide vaccine side effectsTrue
>They're going to force it on kids and teens even though there at no risk of the virusTrue
No. 1156331
>>1155335Exactly. Now remember how vaccine proponents wanted antivaxxers banned at the start, calling them 4chan moids, wanting them out.
I was a vaxxer, but I remember fighting to keep the antivaxxers in the covid thread. I distinctly remember writing "this is the covid thread, not the pro-vaccine thread. Any and all covid talk goes here".
I was wrong, I admit it, and this is exactly why I fought to keep the antivaxxers here.
Now keep this in mind for all other controversial threads. There are a lot of zoomers here who are not used to being subjected to opposing opinions and want to report and ban. This is what other platforms taught them. I don't want that to happen here, I don't want an echo chamber. I want people to tell me that I'm wrong. I can choose to believe them or not.
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Finally tested positive after dodging COVID for months thanks to my sick housemates walking around in useless little fabric masks. I had so much shit to look forward to, I finally moved back to my favourite city after months in a shithole rural area. I had dates and catchups with friends and my little sisters graduation organised for this week but now I have to sit in my tiny cupboard bedroom for the next week that I only rented because I was planning on spending as little time at home as possible. But hey, at least now I have time to catch up on all my favourite threads.
No. 1181244
>>1156331>>1155358>>1155335i never even bothered getting any of the shots lol
i just shooped a card and went on with my life
i even caught it last month finally, after taking care of my mom who had it
symptoms lasted for like maybe 2 days
what a joke
>>1178967chin up nona
youll be better before you know it
its gotten very very mild
No. 1181340
>>1181318just to get into bars when they were mandating that here (which is its own ridiculous can of worms)
employer didnt care or at least never asked
>I'd be afraid of getting caughti was a little but i figured it would blow over (albeit a lot sooner than it did)
thankfully everything is ww3 and economic recession now so no worries :)
>Mono was 20x worse for memy least favorite 3rd-world memevirus i ever got was the NORA virus
only lasted about two days but it felt like that scene in alien where the baby is trying to claw its way out of her stomach. probably threw up 40 or 50 times idk. now THAT is something i could see dying from if i was an old hag
>I knew this was going to be how covid went that's why I never got the vaccine and never will.i just dont like people telling me what to do or trying to twist my arm, least of all in regards to my medical history
if i want to do it for myself, i will, thx.
if not, ill just smile and say "i did it", then just dont
maybe it is a little selfish, but afaik i never hurt anyone
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I feel bad for all the babies that will suffer side effects because their parents are scared of a virus with a 99% survival rate
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>>1240293So you're essentially admitting Moderna facilitates newborns to catch more viral diseases?
On the other hand, it's been an election year, and the coof suddenly (!!!) showed up. So now boomers want their vaccine passports up.