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One of these things is not like the other,
One of these things is criminally insane.
I haven't come across these before.
Some voice actors are really good though.
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you're all equally degenerate to me
This. It seems very normal for a female anime fan to like some anime, have favorite male characters they find particularly cute/appealing and buy merch of, have preferred VAs and enjoy a bit of BL. It's all part of being deep in the hobby
I'd even go as far as to say that if you haven't at least dabbled in maybe 3/4 of those categories, you can barely say you're into anime
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I am a fujo but I respect yumejo commitment. One husbando is insufficient for me, I need multiple pairings over a variety of series to stay entertained with anime fandom. Anyway there's hardly any difference between us, fundamentally we just like cute 2D boys.
Anyway the true enemy is moid anime fans, anything is better than waifu bait, haremshit and lolicon.
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>>1034734> Anyway there's hardly any difference between us, fundamentally we just like cute 2D boys.
Exactly! Having female friends to talk about nerdy stuffs with are already hard to come by. We all have phases of all the category listed above, and depending on the series/media we are into at the time too.
This divide is just a conspiracy to pit women against each other if nothing else.
I'm a yume but my husbando is pretty obscure and unfuckable/unconventional so i don't have any reason to get jealous of shipping of any kind kek>>1034734>pic related
I want to be her friend
you’re on lolcow nona you’re not a normie
Sorry you had a bad day, hope tomorrow is better>>1034974
That's a good idea anon! There are some pretty nice ones in the picrew thread I could use. Thank you!
i’m a yumejo. i’ve tried to get into bl, but my indifference to male relationships and shipping in general has been preventing me from doing so>>1034785>have you gotten any comms of you and your husbando together
yes >did you send any pics of yourself to the artist or just described yourself?
i just sent a picrew (sorry) of myself
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I’m ostensibly a fujoshi but I can’t get off to cartoon people, only 3DPD
Is there a cute nickname for me or am I just a basic degenerate
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As a himejo I just want fujo and yume to finally come to terms with their internal misogyny and have rigorously lesbian sex afterwards
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MMM anime boys
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himejos are truly the most superior breed of women
Imagine calling a group of women immature and annoying right after you replied multiple times to someone wishing they got scammed. Kek. >>1035096
Seeing two attractive 2d guys go at it is hot.
This entire “war” is dumb we are literally the same sides of one coin. While I don’t personally enjoy self insert shit because I find it cringe as fuck, I don’t care that other women do like literally why is it even a subject to fight over? Yumes and Fujos are both very cringe but who cares, let people have fun.
And I don't think it's hot because them doing gay shit immediately turns me off no matter how they look.
I hate girls who are into het pegging too.
nonna it’s not for everyone. I also find het pegging gross, I cant exactly explain why.
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this is your man?
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that’s my man!! my little ugly stinky sewer dwelling worm man
Based Mahito fan, I love him too.>>1035127>>1035121
I don't hate them, but I hate how common het pegging is now in femdom. I don't want to pretend to have a dick or pretend that a woman has to have one to be dominant.
Business must be booming for you nona. Self insert girls need their safe space after all, feel free to come back to me for some referrals ♥ >>1035339
Nta but what does being a terf
have to do with this? All artists should be terves btw.
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the way the fujo is the ugliest, the least fashionable and the only drooling mess among more normie passing otakus lol even within cartoon nerds we’re seen as the most weirdo one
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Gacha games are very dangerous for yume, I had to delete fgo, arknights, and fe: heroes for my wallets well being, but if I get a better job one day I can see myself downloading them again
Based and rare>>1035315
I don't really care but it depends on the ship. Shipping wars ruined the FF7 fanbase for me. Holy shit I don't care if Cloud likes Aerith or Tifa more… especially because Aerith WITH Tifa leaving Cloud to cry alone is superior, sorry not sorry. I mean, you know, if she doesn't die in the remake that is
The fujos in the FF7 fanbase are like saints compared to most of the hetshippers but I feel like in most other series it's the opposite way around, at least ime.
I don't mind fujos as long as they don't mind us yumes or the hetshippers. My main problem with fujos are the ones that dislike all female characters and all hetships. I guess I could be considered a himejo too, though. I like yuri too. >>1035392
>>1035426>The fujos in the FF7 fanbase are like saints compared to most of the hetshippers but I feel like in most other series it's the opposite way around
Not really. My problem with hetshippers is how they always project their own superiority complex into others. They believe their ships are the best and purest because they're most likely to be canon and assume that everyone else should prioritize this way too when most fujos acknowledge that their gay fantasy will never become reality. It's especially embarrassing when they do that "majority of people are heterosexual so fuck you" thing, male hetshippers are desperate to force any straight relationship for their Kirito self insert because he just can't be a dirty faggot!
They also love to shit on fujos for their cringey ship wars while going nuclear sperg about their hetship being threatened. If one gets legitimately distressed over someone else shipping your hetship with a different straight character or a fujo "making everything gay" while demanding everyone to accept their own Christian approved hetship then you have no business laughing at all the 15-year old Voltron fujos clawing at each other.
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where have you been anon, we should revive the GL/yuri thread in /m/ >>>/m/1764
I'd want to sperg over various yuri manga I've been reading lately, I find girls' angst towards each other is really hot
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not from a manga, but the artist is a manga author! These are just her ocs she's drawing from time to time.
So far only one of her works is translated online, there was another one that is explicit yuri and I haven't bought it yet.here's the link to her twitter post https://twitter.com/Chi_ll_i/status/1476244325910855680?s=20
Thanks for proving the anons' point retard
yumes and fujos should band against delusional hetshippers shilling their mary sues
>>1035426>The fujos in the FF7 fanbase are like saints compared to most of the hetshippers
and for some reason hetfag clotis (and "mlm" gaydens who love zakkura) have this seething eternal hatred for sefikura fujos because they hate that the ship is toxic
. this is despite the fact that i never see ff7 fujos engage in love triangle discourse, only read fics or upload fanart. i wish these cunts would focus on their coomer titty tifa hentai instead of bitching endlessly about how "sefikura shippers need theeeEeraPy" as if these mental invalids don't all have 400 people living in their heads.
>>1035571>i wish these cunts would focus on their coomer titty tifa hentai instead of bitching endlessly about how "sefikura shippers need theeeEeraPy" as if these mental invalids don't all have 400 people living in their heads.
KEK god go off nonnie
I love this post
Sephiroth IS ""toxic
"" he's the antagonist but who fucking cares, none of them are real. The most actually toxic
clotis I've met have all been women though, so they're not interested in Tifa hentai. Just obsessed with hating Aerith. I hate the LTD with a passion. >>1035601
At least Eva's creator put an end to it himself
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Begone, scrote. >>1035648>implying yurifags are real lesbians
Why should she?
Do you think asking a woman how tranny dick tastes just because she likes yuri isn't disgusting? Are you lost?
You mention how yuri has a lot of trannies into it as though yaoi isn't rife with Ayydens into it.
Because your arguments usually are
homophobic. Screaming "but 99.999999999999% of the population is heterosexual!!!" and "misogyny!!" as if fujos aren't women ourselves is not a good look.
Can't you find that in anime art?>1800s/1920s romantic postcards
Please post some, it sounds cute.
I feel you nonna. I guess I'm Otome, I only really like my MxF pairings. Self-inserting feels too wierd to me, and I like having a female character with a defined personality of her own for my husbando to play off of. It's honestly a bit awkward around other anime fans, when everyone I know is into either yaoi or yuri primarily lol. I can only find good hetshit art when the pairing is super popular and is the primary ship in the fandom, BL art/fic is almost always way easier to find for weeb fandoms ime.
I like BL a little too but only when I really like those two chaarcter's specific dynamic (or think it would be really hot for them to fuck). But it doesn't scratch the same itch.
Hell no, IRL homos disgust me and I wouldn’t be friends with any of em
I just want to get off on two handsome fictional dudes doing it
Well what's the point of doing anything as a woman, when men ruin everything all the time?
We shouldn't let whatever shit moids are doing stop us from creating the art we want.
>>1035808>Women are too interesting to only be secluded to scrote gaze fantasies imo
Preach. I'm going to sharpen my skills and make my own stories featuring women. We really have to do it all ourselves.>>1035809
They're for a younger audience aren't they, but sure recommend us some good femgaze ones.
Ok?? enjoy your moids then.
I love objectifying them from afar while spending all of my time and energy on women irl. If I’m gonna be heterosexual I’m gonna at least do it without ever giving any male any sexual pleasure at all
I would kill for more manga about women by women, both GL manga and just platonic friend manga.
I used to like CGDCT shit like K-on but I can’t tolerate women written by males anymore
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I hate ALL men, bitch
Because most of the time the boy is in love with the protagonist, not the person watching.
Only exceptions are like player choice only protagonists for otoge.
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Yuricucks are the most hated amongst moid circles.
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I want to see more fashionable fujoshi sisters!
Kill yourself shit bait>>1035814
This, I'm in my 30s and around 12-15 years too old for shoujo. Most of it is super rapey too and I don't want to watch female protagonists being assaulted or bullied around, it gets too personal for me. BL has more selection geared towards older female readers with adult characters. >>1035835
Every time I try to ask for good suggestions for female-created f/f I'm met with crickets or unbelievably lame or fetishy shit. So I'll welcome any material that is actually interesting and not about schoolgirls performing for male readers.
A closeted bisexual and/or gay scrote definitely made that image lmao
Male logic is:>We need SOME dick in our porn! Not too much, but just a little!
I know some scrote in disguise might reply to this trying to "gently" convince me of something, claiming there's nothing gay about his desires. I don't want to hear it, faggot
I agree anon, I feel the same way. I'm also a lesbian. I do like seeing good f/f content too, there's just a tragic lack of it, most of it is trash.
I guess people who aren't gay can't understand, judging by all the retarded infighting in this thread and people who respond to stupid bait posts. No one gets aggressive stupid shit like shipping unless they're mentally ill, an underage twitterfag or a pathetic moid. Just let the moid/ayden/twitfag samefag until they leave and stop responding to retarded takes about homophobia and shit. It's not that deep.
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Sorry but anal/gay sex is just disgusting, even in 2d, have fun with your homo pooper pals, couldn't be me, I prefer REAL romance (which involves women x dragons (the gold hoarding, transhumanist type who are canonically really old and can burn ANYTHING but are still romantic and are packing no matter if they're in human or dragon form)). Men disgust me. I am not a furry.(shitpost)
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You’re not a furry because you’re a scaly, silly.
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OT but infighting between furries and scalies is funny to me
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Personally I find porn and lewd content too androphilic. Surrounding too much on dick and male pleasure, nothing says female gaze more than when the art focuses on what the woman is feeling through suggestions of orgasm and seductive pleasure that the female reader can insert to. Material like this makes me coom instantly because it's so hot yet so rare. Sad!
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making this ontopic by admitting 5 year old me husbandod wargreymon
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Robotfuckers vs cyborgfuckers is one I wanna see battle it out
Already know what side I’m on there.
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I don't want an ugly moid in a rubber suit, I want a cute lizard boy with the snoot and tail and everything, like the one from Monotone Blue by Nagabe
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Sure, here are a few well-known female authors I can think of (the quality varies, can't promise everything is good):
The first two are out as lesbians, don't know about the others but they're all women. Worth noting that most works by these authors take place in a high school setting, it's a shame that there's not more yuri about adults.
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Who’s baiting? I’m 100% srs
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Is this a good hetshit vibe?
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Finally someone who seem to make works for adult women.
NTA but there are some damn good otome games out there imo. >>1035809
This too. >>1035800
I hate when nonnies say shit like this. Let men have power over every single one of your interests? Fuck that. >>1035814
Highschool stories are just a Japanese culture thing overall >>1035835
I'm getting the feeling that many anons in this thread simply don't broaden their horizons, tastes or try new things at all. That's not a problem until you claim you want more of something that's already being made. Literally just search harder.
Half naked male gazey schoolgirls >Takemiya Jin
Young schoolgirls being pervy to each other>Kobachi Ruka
Moeblob young schoolgirls being boring >Takashima Hiromi
Probably the least offensive but still schoolgirls being boring>Takeshima Eku
Young schoolgirls groping each other and being male gazey>Yamaji Ebine
Wow actual lesbian content that doesn't look like a moid shat it out
Robots are better than cyborgs and nobody will ever change my mind, robots are hot and sexy, cyborgs keep too many human traits to be completely sexy. >Cybrog = one night stand>Robot = husband
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What about this? it's the same couple
Hard for me to strike a balance between moid gaze humiliation pron and full on femdom/girlboss (sorry to anons who like that thing) in hetshit though. If nonnies could help me find that that'll be great
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I prefer cyborgs by far I just find that synergy of organic and mechanic bits beautiful. But I don't hate robots I wouldn't fight over thinking cyborgs are superior and that my opinion is the objective truth, that's such a moid thing to do. Anyways here's a robot woman
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All I can think of is how Alucard has emotional and intimacy issues and avoids people so that Maria literally runs after him in one of the endings to SOTN. He looks rather displeased in the drawing.
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I like BL, yuri, hetshit and otomes.
I like it too with any gender.
What's your ideal nonnie
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Based and enlightened just like me.
Several, in fact.
Mysterious and attractive guy who burns up in his desire for a woman and obsessively wants her. Like villain or anti hero and heroine.
Sensitive and loving sweetheart who would do anything for his woman and is on the shyer, humble side. I like both aggressively romantic (but not the annoying macho kind idk how to explain it) and the reserved type. If the guy acts too distant/unattracted by the woman I usually end up feeling eh about it though, but again, depends on how its executed.
I see the first one with BL stuff the most, the last one is used but too femdom/girlboss in the arts I see but idk how true that is overall
Based. Love is love nonas.>>1035980
NTA, but I recommend checking out Korean and Chinese yuri. The ratio of good:bad content is a lot better. Two of my favorites are Magan he Danai and Her Tale of Shim Cheong.
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absolutely based>game library full of otomes>tabs open for bunch of cute yuri manga>fanfics for homo ships>watch heartwarming boy meets girl anime
I just love a good romance story. There is just so much good content and it pains me that i will never be able to experience them all
I kind of get why nobody really make a “choose your adventure” types of fanfics though, they can get messy and not a lot of people will like the selections that others make.
I honestly think it’s better to just unapologetically write your true fantasies and if someone vibes with you, then that person will like it as well, if not, someone will write something that they like.
Like, I feel like the reason why a bunch of (y/n) fanfics sucks is because they’re just not your type of main character, I honestly haven’t found yet a good transformers’ self insert fanfic in which the MC isn’t an enby or some NLOG kind of girl and the sorts.
And I kind of like the idea of writing the choose your adventure type, but only for a reduced number of people or for just one person so it’s an actually personalized story, I’ve thought about it but it’s so difficult to find someone who will be like “yeah I want that” without it being awkward.
Kek at your pic.
Personally I prefer F/M and F/F because I like seeing interesting and relatable female characters, it's been too rare to find that and feels great when I find something great.
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I love Nagabe's art. I saw this in a bookstore and decided to buy it and I thought it was really cute. I'm not usually the biggest fan of furry art but they do it so well. I'm glad their other manga is being made into an anime, from what I can tell it's doing the art justice as well
a reverse harem sounds to me like a person who nobody wants lol. but I see that's the term.
I like the beginning part of otomes before you choose the guy's route, where you're just dating everybody lol.
Ignore those anons, please share. >>1036426
I agree, I thought the game would have femdom vibes too and was disappointed.
It’s funny because the only “enemy” are other women who police what we want, they’re handmaidens or fakebois.
Hell, I had to start getting into f/f stuff even though I’ve never cared about it, exactly because there’s people out there looking at all of your posts/likes just to make sure that you have all of the rainbow soup letter in your feed.
I’ve yet to see the first actual gay man who gives a fuck wether someone likes yaoi or not, and I’ve yet to see as well the first straight man who gets mad at people fetishizing men. Then again, I’m not exactly permanently online, so real life people who are more than what their profiles say kind of don’t give a fuck about these sort of things, they don’t even know they exist.
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>>1036791>there’s people out there looking at all of your posts/likes just to make sure that you have all of the rainbow soup letter in your feed.
Who the fuck are these saddos? They should only be given the middle finger. If it was me I'd tell them to ge toff my lawn.
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I have the same question too. Whenever I draw ship arts, I'd be asked which one I'd like to fuck between the two guys, which just weird me out. I don't see myself superior to self-insert shippers, just don't vibe with them and woooould love them to stay tf away from my contents.
Same, I'm uninterested in anal sex regardless of the sexes of the people involved. I've gotten shit for this by fujos, it's homophobic apparantly (I'm not even straight)
Also hate how common it is in all kinds of erotica now. I blame the porn industry.
Don't want to be that guy but seriously people whining about being "bullied" for hetshipping deserve the world's smallest violin. Literally all but a very, very niche form of media cater towards hetships yet you people act like victims
when a small selection of people, who are more likely to be ostracized for their tastes than you, are enjoying the gay option. >inb4 I was literally ATTACKED by a fujo twittertard for drawing het art!!!!!!!
Okay, and how many times have neckbeards called fujos ugly cunts who just need to be dicked and told them to kill themselves for gay shipping? I can promise you that fujos get bullied way more than hetshippers ever do.>>1036749>this often leads to them creating lame sterile f/f just to fill in the lesbian quota
I hate this too to be honest. But like you said, it's all because people preferring m/m are constantly shamed for fetishizing so they need to atone for it with a shallow f/f pairing they don't really give a shit about.
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NTA>Okay, and how many times have neckbeards called fujos ugly cunts who just need to be dicked and told them to kill themselves for gay shipping? I can promise you that fujos get bullied way more than hetshippers ever do.
anon I think you are me. these are my exact thoughts when I read through these posts. Those anons just reminded me of tumblr 2012 with the whole "QwQ oppressed for liking het ships", and the whole complaining about "plain n boring" f/f.
I've met those tried to convince me to create more f/f stuffs because "ao3 is filled with fetishized gay works" and I nodded, and genuinely enjoy creating f/f contents now. But hell, everytime I get back to write anything m/m I'd be seen as "making wank contents for horny straight women".
To the yumejo and fujoshi anon who have Deep hatred to each other, reconsider the types of people you used to hang out it, what was it about them make you dislike yumejo/fujoshi? What stops you from exploring from other genre?
The world doesn't revolve around you, so maybeeee either curate your own interests and tell your annoying friend to shut up when they try to sell you something you have no interest in it.
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I was a fujo when I was a teen, then the culture changed and I slowly started hating this new brand of tumblr/twitter fujos and started sympathising with yumes though I don't think I can truly count as a yume when I have a bf. Anyway how it happened:
>2009>shipping culture is silly>people making shameless rape jokes and violent fanfics>first BL VN I play is togainu no chi>I kinda get off on guys being all blushy and humiliated>no one is treating it seriously
>2021>I still like some fujo porn from japanese writers, but some tropes start bothering me>I had to see my favourite boy get impregnated in an ABO fic and get a gynecologist appointment for his baby, I gave up>everyone is suddenly CANONICALLY GAY and PRECIOUS GAY BABIES, over the years people started hating on straight shippers too>a genre of media that tries to pander to both fujos and yumes pops up, fujos are incredibly vocal on twitter and tumblr and trashtalk yume fans>on 4chan in like 2014 I started seeing the term "hetfag" and straight fujos attracted to men hating on heterosexuality, more recently it became "yumecucks">unbashed hatred towards female characters, yeah they aren't cool girls I'd crush on but this hatred feels purely like it's because they're female and in the way of gayness>MC doesn't exist! MC is a fag hag! MC is a gay baby janitor! MC is male coded! We should have more male MCs and less female characters!
Yeah I can't vibe with any of that
>see fujos draw Sandalphon (male granblue character) with a vagina and call it his bussy>see japanese fujos who draw one guy as a meek genderbent girl because it's the only allowed way to be accepted in the community and do straight shit>pregnancy tests in fujo doujinshi and bad ABO spreading to japan
FUCK THIS SHIT
Then maybe stop painting yourself as victims
because an underage twitterfag made a heterophobia joke at your expense? You can't start playing the oppression olympics yourself and then complain when you're called out for it. And "expressing desire to see more" sounds more like "everything had to cater to us" when the overwhelming majority is objectively centered around m/f content, you can get your precious sexy creampies by going to exhentai, danbooru, rule34, literally any of the million hentai sites out there and typing in that tag any time you want. And if you're complaining about shit you like being "invaded by fujos" then start creating your own Twisted Wonderland fanart instead of whining about fujos being productive.
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>>1037007>on 4chan in like 2014 I started seeing the term "hetfag" and straight fujos attracted to men hating on heterosexuality
No, that term is for anons who desperately disregard gay actions or hints in an anime or manga with impressive mental gymnastics how those are actually totally hetero.
I will never forget the ride that was Yuri on Ice threads lmao.
i dont know, go back to your sunday church if you think homosexuality is sodomy>>1037032
case 2 for homophobe >>1037015>I want some good creampie teehee>ew ew but it's from coomers>awieee why is no one caters to my taste, boohoo why am i so untalented, lazy, have zero creative skill and a throbbing victim complex
You are browsing the front page of e-hentai, you see a cute cover with two boys. You open it and start reading the Japanese doujinshi and one boy is suddenly talking how he didn't take his birth control in the middle of fucking.
Yeah it happens.
The fujos/gays in this thread really like projecting the victim
thing on everyone, kek.
wrong thread anon, go to /m/
this thread is for yume and fujo to hulk at each other until the internalized misogyny dies own on its ownit's actually pretty fun for me to read this thread lol
Who is it nonnie
>>1037089>fujos create shit!
Is this the only argument you can parrot? You have no idea how profitable yume giveaways and comissions are on the Japanese side of twitter, it's a great way to get followers too. Something also gives me the vibe you never "created" something in your life, kek.
Anons itt are expressing their distaste at fujos vocally shitting on female characters and straight ships instead of leaving people alone and "creating" their shitty porn.
>>1037096>You have no idea how profitable yume giveaways and comissions are on the Japanese side of twitter, it's a great way to get followers too
So there isn't actually a lack of content like OP claimed?
And OP also didn't exprees that, they claimed fujos won't allow them to like het stuff.
I'm sorry but your argument contradicts with this anon >>1036733
and several yume-non replied and added to her statement that >there is not enough het contents made by women>we are being bullied by fujo for not having GL BL contents!
therefore anon responded >>1037010
Her frustration with you guys are valid
, whether youre yumefujoshi or not. Those kinds of whiny weeny pisses us of no matter which decade we're in.
This, I've noticed within my own circle several fujos who will insist they're asexual despite clearly being into guys. It's okay to just enjoy stuff and I wish fandom culture in general started being less tiptoeing again>>1037108
Actual OP here, my frustration wasn't "oh no we're being bullied!!" but how fucking weird it is that you see people even point it out at all when straight girls liking straight pairings should be rather obvious
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but the twst mc is literally canonically a guy, youre at an all male academy
Anon I hate breaking it to you but manga MC is considered from a different universe, that's not the canon game one.
Which is why I'm not ready for the shitfest when they reveal the anime MC, regardless of if they'll be female or male.
you're getting this tripped over being called a "breeder" and "proud biological women!" when your pixel men cannot fuck you, real men do not want you, breed with a cactus.>>1037114
I appreciate the clarification anon. I find hetshippers always whine about "not enough het fanworks!" when the entire mainstream media basically tailored for them, then they turn around to whine and nitpick over creators who make shits For Free.
The internalised misogyny is radiating from this one. How triggered
do you have to be to throw sexist insults at a random anon on a forum where most people have boyfriends and girlfriends anyway? Why are you calling somebody a breeder when you are a woman attracted to men?
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NTA but I think she may have meant stuff like this?
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Most people on this site hang out on twitter, tumblr or discord. Can you find homophibic schizos there? Absolutely. But they will have no following and will be ignored and banned on any website that majorly consists of young women. In fact, a lot of them go through ridiculous hoops to avoid calling themselves a straight woman.
And if you go to any male-dominated space to discuss games and media you will be greeted with a metric fuckton of degrading porn and hatred for women and beautiful men.
Posting the worst of the worst kweer activists as some standard of the general discourse is akin to r/TumblrInAction moids and their paranoid "all western games are ruined by feminazi propaganda" spiels. In reality the game industry is filled to the brim with misogyny and homophobia and games are stuffed with scrote power fantasies, and that general situation holds true in online communities as well. Just because you can't see homophobia doesn't mean it's nonexistent, it means you can't recognize it.
In all seriousness people who act like the schizos who enforce ABO bussies, unironically tweet "cis ppl dni" and hound down hetshippers are a mainstream audience are delusional and the "you can't be a straight woman anymore!!!11" meme is as tone deaf as it gets. All the "pansexual she/they" bihets are born out of the insecurity of not feeling included, not because they're bullied into submission by the mean gays. And that's something they need to work on by themselves, not demand the "gay propaganda be toned down" or whatever.
Yes, mainstream in the fandom spaces. I believed that is the context of this discussion.>And I think we can all agree that fandom spaces for women have gone to shit the past years.
Definitely, and most of it is because of things other than "le gay agenda" taking over. Misogyny just took a different form. Those who identify as lesbians are pressured into trooning out and the ones who would've been regular horny straight girls co-opted LGB out of desperation and became she/they nonbinary femmes talking about how gay they are in the search of a community to shield them because moids were making Karen and "white girls fuck dogs" jokes while harassing women the best they could in the wake of Gamergate autism. People always tend to forget that instead of blaming other women for misogyny the root cause is always found from the Y chromosome.
>>1037249>People always tend to forget that instead of blaming other women for misogyny the root cause is always found from the Y chromosome.
Reading your posts you seem to imply how it's ok if girls or gays do anything because men are worse. Yes, men are worse but I don't want to see misogyny in female spaces either. And just because scrotes are awful doesn't mean we should smile and ignore all the problems in fandom spaces.
It's especially evident in the way young teens are now acting, they are disgusted by even the woke porn and just "cancelling" people outright for anything and trying to remove anyone older from their space because they hate it (good for them, I don't want to be in such places, but it saddens me how things affected this generation of kids).
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This just comes down to shounen series almost always having terribly written female mains, people are just less vocal about it now.
At least in the west, in Japan Ururaka was rated the most hated shounen jump heroine.
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In Japan they are kinda weird about it. In the yume community they seem to mostly focus on (You) and avoid directly naming your oshi because it would pop up in searches, but they also have a more active community. They recently started getting more bold with self inserts, which I love, they make sexy girls with cute outfits and colored hair but then some specify they are only OCs and they would never self-insert. You do get harassment and most of them hide behind locked accounts, most of them get attacked with "how narcissistic do you have to be to think he would love you? He is obviously a gay baby made to be impregnated by this bad yaoi guy (tm)" and honestly I hate that logic because in male fandoms everything caters to their cock but women are supposed to be ashamed lmfao
I used to be really embarrassed about sharing my yume art, but I only got great responses from it! I was surprised to see people say they shipped my oc with the canon character too. I feel a lot of shame about it, but I can't help wanting to share it with the few people who might want to see it>>1037317
I wish I could speak Japanese lmao I want to see these communities for myself! I always hear about self shippers getting bullied or attacked but never experienced it myself. I worry someone is shitting on me somewhere on the internet lol
Anyway, I'm happy there are people brave enough to commission yume art from me. I want to bring them closer to their favourite characters
Nta, but you know very well it's not just or even mostly teenage girls, a lot of them aren't minors anymore.>>1037351
Same! I made an oc to pair with an otome guy and expected at least one person to send me hate, but the response has been very positive. Though I try to generally draw more canon art than ship stuff because I personally don't always care about others self inserts/ocs but just like the artstyle. It still feels a little embarrassing, but if no one's complaining there's no need to worry
>>1037210>Most people on this site hang out on twitter, tumblr or discord
By people you mean newfags who are ruining the site like >>1037298
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moid/tranny conspiracy. i love my y/n sisters.
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Fujo here that dislikes self-shipping – in general, I'm simply tied to canon, and I dislike seeing people break or bend canon just to ship themselves with a character. Note that I have never, EVER, harassed or been mean to even the most blatant Mary Sues – I grew up on the internet in the time of "Don't Like, Don't Read" but…
I am indeed similar to the JP fujo mentioned here >>1037317: what in the world makes you think he'd care about your self-insert over any other character in series? It just stretches my sense of disbelief too much. Why can't you just pick a woman in show to ship him with if you absolutely need your hetshit? Why do you need to write bullshit into a perfectly good story?
It doesn't help that self-shipping is something I grew out of once I hit like, middle school. I think you may as well create your own characters and shit if you're just gonna self-ship.
And not to play devil's advocate too
much, but in male fandoms they (generally) aren't creating entire characters and tampering with existing dynamics just to get their rocks off. Those grey mob men and floating disembodied dicks are for the sake of porn, not…vaguely gestures to yumejoshi writing herself into the MC's spot so villain-kun will obsess over her
I… guess I’m a bit of both a yume and a fujo? Honestly I’m not sure I count as a yume because I have an actual boyfriend and don’t really ship myself with my husbando(s) as much as I just want to fuck them lmao. Most of them are insane and I wouldn’t date them, but I do wanna have sex with them. I wish there was more of what >>1037729
is describing but female oriented.
As far as shipping goes there are some ships, gay and straight, which I enjoy but have absolutely no desire to be with either of the characters involved. If I do want to ship myself with a husbando, I self insert onto a character that I can relate to (usually female, sometimes male). I also sometimes ship my husbando with other characters without self inserting. Overall, it’s just fantasy for me.
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bumping to get rid of cp
Your thinking on the anime angle.
But pretty much all of my self shipping is from video games with customizable protags that I self insert into.
The only game were I am just inserting a version of myself the guy doesn't have any love interests anyway either.
Though it's funny you mention growing out of it because for me it's gotten stronger as I got older. I was never really romantic about it in high school, but as I get older and realize how fucked the real world is I appreciate the fantasies much more.
She probably is super mean to girls who aren't perfect 10/10 lol, no one cares when guys want to pretend their favorite anime girl or even real life barely legal idol would love them yet she gets her panties in a twist over girls just having fantasies that hurt absolutely no one. Also most non BL characters aren't depicted as gay at all like in jujutsu kaisen so it's also delusional wish fulfillment. Fujos have such a superiority complex
t. uggo yume who doesn't care that my husbando would spit on me for being so ugly
Agreed. All woman getting off on their own fantasies sans scrotes are based, fujo or yume. Tinfoil it’s scrote shit stirring or a single triggered
fujo reeing about scrotes shitting on BL and women joining in to seem cool and like one of the boys or because they agree. This superiority complex is retarded. Wish fulfilment is based period.
>>1037840>Also most non BL characters aren't depicted as gay at all like in jujutsu kaisen so it's also delusional wish fulfillment.
This is the most hilarious part, when they think forcing a sexuality that makes them horny on fictional characters is totally valid
and canon lmfao
This is why I don't understand self-shipping, it seems incredibly juvenile and narcissistic to me. But I also extend it to those OCs people create just to ship them to their husbandos, it reminds me of all those DisneyFan01/Dolphy-like Mary Sue factories. Having a husbando and being dedicated to him is fine and all but I cringe at the people requesting commissions of their self-insert making out with a canonical character. There's a reason why it's universally considered embarrassing, absolutely not just by fujos.>>1037840
Now this is what I call projection.>>1037873
It was mentioned upthread that the annoying thing is hetshippers with a superiority complex thinking that fujos care if their gay ship is canon or not because they themselves are so used to their mindset of expecting everything to cater to them. You're a living example of this.
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Literally picrel kek
I find you immature for your narcissist take kek.>My yaois is superior, fucking juvenile self-shipping stacies.
Your reeing like a tard, it’s the only reasonable explanation. Kek, you must be a twitterfag>Ree you’re obsessed with me!
You’re obsessed with yumes kek.
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>>1037918>then drawing yourself as an anthropomorphic hedgehog having Sonic's babies.
same, I really don't care what they do with fictional 2D characters but yeah anything with IRL men is always gonna end up shitty >Larry shippers and their delusions >Merlin Arthur shippers and their racist comments against Marian >and supernatural shippers harassing the wives of the main actors for allegedly scheming and keeping the series from becoming gay
a lot of Fujos will jump throw hoops trying to justify and the defense always boils down to "but men" basically that since men commit horrific acts against humanity that somehow excuses them of degenerate coomers harassing random people for their gay fantasies
Aren't you bored of making the same statement over and over again like a broken record?
No one even calls anyone itt hetshitter, you're the first one to use that
It's pretty much what wears me out on social media. Fujos get openly hated on by men, but they think arguing with men is pointless so instead they're catty towards women in the fandom. Every yume/otome I've seen is in a super seculded community and the only place where I've seen yumes speak up is on lolcow and 4chan. Yeah, you had bait in this thread like "omg gay sex isn't christian" but most yumes are saying how they just want to be left alone while fujos are saying>you are narcissistic, juvenile and should feel ashamed for liking fictional characters
Just let people enjoy what they like, instead it's like that fandom kiddie police that cancells you for shipping an 18 year old character with a 16 year old.
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Some people seem to have too low of self esteem to ship themself with their husbando. Have any other fellow yumes done things to make yourself feel more worthy of being with your husbando? My favourite men are usually in shounen, so for the most part I mostly just started weight training and exercising. Idc if it's pathetic that I've made a life change for a 2D character. I'm stronger, have more energy, and I have abs now and no 3D scrote to take it for granted or not appreciate it. It benefits me in the end. My husbando isn't shallow either so it's not like I needed to do these things, and I never had too low of self esteem about my appearance to begin with, but now I feel closer to being his equal. Now I can keep up when we spar and get stronger together (well obviously not because he has inhuman shounen strength and speed but I can larp a little to make up the difference).
Anyway, how has being a yume improved your life?
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I'm not a serious yume, but I feel like swapping to yume circles marked the end of my teenage edgy NLOG phase, I started appreciating myself and other girls more and the art they post is SO CUTE. It's incredibly healing to see healthy romantic art by women and feel included in a community. My current goals are just to finish my degree and improve my drawing skills, I managed to step it up in terms of health and looks.
The vast majority of female anime fans are just casually>oh he's cute, he's my 2d bf lol>nice I ship these two
It's not a black and white situation
i posted zero yume hate/criticism in this thread retard, try again>>1038079
it has been explained over and over. also you’re either into bl or not, i’m not interested into converting anyone but if we are treating fictional characters like real people and calling fujos voyeurs then i guess that makes self inserters rapists
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>>1038091>if we are treating fictional characters like real people and calling fujos voyeurs then i guess that makes self inserters rapists
The absolute level of COPE and missing the point. She was criticising your lack of involvement in your own fantasy like fujos who have a crush on a guy but would rather draw him getting plowed by another one and married to another man while they watch from the sidelines even kn their fantasy, not "noooo it's bad because they're real".
If we are talking about rapey aspects, let's not forget origins of memes like yamete oshiri ga itai, how most of 90s and 2000s BL centers around rape and how even now you can super easily find bestiality, guro and scat on the pixiv BL tags.
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I'm a fujoshi, I also have husbandos who I want to see being fucked by my other husbandos
but I can just never self-insert into characters no matter what. I like a lot of het pairings, but if I read a shojo manga where the heroine is supposed to be a self-insert I won't be able to see her as anything but a bland character, unless the author is good at her job. Anyway, we all need to unite to make male otaku fuck off from this planet.>>1035060>Byleth/Rhea
Great taste. If you tried to post Byleth/Edelgard I would have told you kill yourself.
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>>1037047>I will never forget the ride that was Yuri on Ice threads lmao.
I miss those days.
What I experienced is fujos openly shitting on any female character or hetero ship and feeling superior because they're gay and woke. In more extreme cases like threads on 4chan and lolcow you have fujos calling yumes cucks (the irony lol), an especially cancerous example is the /twst/ thread on 4chan where gay men play a game for little girls and spew misogyny
I just don't get what makes them so angry about female characters.
Of course I do
All of you are, too
True, I just don't see how self-insertion is any more cringe than regular shipping, it's all wish fulfillment fluff.
That being said, anything involving real celebrities or internet personalities is way worse than weebshit or any other fictional media.
It’s just the autism, nonnie
, anyone who can’t enjoy different types of content at times is just autistic as fuck and honestly pathetic.
Dying to defend a ship or another, actually hating someone just because they don’t like who tops or bottoms and feeling triggered
over the mention of a character of a different sex, is seriously stupid at this point, specially coming from a supposed adult.
And yeah sure, muh escapism and whatever, learn to block and to ignore whoever talks about what you don’t like. If you can ignore pornsick males sexualizing children, you can avoid other women talking about looking at some anime men fucking or about wanting to fuck an anime man.
This whole discussion could be avoided if the underage faggots lurking could fucking grow up or leave already.
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>>1037793>video games…self shipping
This makes sense because your character is actually part of the series. Take FFXIV >>1037819
for example. Some WoL x character fanart is good (pic rel), but in truth – I'm always going to prefer character x character content. >>1037829
People can do what they want kek. But uh, this is a thread meant for each side to discuss their thoughts. That's what I was doing. If it helps my viewpoint, I really don't like any sort of OC inserted into canon fan work. Whether that be an OC they just happen to meet that isn't a background character, or a straight up Mary Sue. >>1037854
In my opinion: we're only able to judge how a character is going to react to another because
these characters exist in the same place already. I know MC-kun hates Rival-kun because he can't go a panel without thinking "fuck that guy." All yumejoshi can do, however, is assume + make stuff up because they aren't actually there. It's either that or write themselves into the spot of another character that already exists to make the dynamic they want work. >>1037993>conflating self-confidence with what men you want to fuck>and not even men: what anime characters you find attractive
what fandoms nonny
? are you in a shonen fandom where the girls have two personality traits tops, or?
love this image
because twitter is retarded, theres literally simultaneously also woketards saying that being anti fujo is a terf
everyone i dont like is a terf
Everyone and everything is a terf
if you rely on retards on the internet. I've seen so-called antishippers saying that proshippers are terfs, I've seen proshippers saying that antis are terfs, I've seen both groups saying that self-aware fujoshi are terfs that fetishize MLM fakebois (who are ironically fujoshi of the worst kind), I've seen all these groups saying that straight males who whine over seeing fanart of Naruto and Sasuke and being actually homophobic AND sexist are terfs, etc.
A lot of English only speakers who think they're intellectual geeks don't even know that fujoshi means "a girl/woman who likes BL" and nothing more. They add more specific shit to the definition because of misunderstandings and because they project specific cliches of teenage American yaoi fangirls from the 2000s and weird unrelated discourses from tumblr circa 2012 into it.
Goddamn my post is full of buzzwords. I guess that's proof enough that you shouldn't take any of this seriously.
>>1038350>conflating self-confidence with what men you want to fuck
idgaf about men >and not even men: what anime characters you find attractive
Self-improvement is self-improvement so what's the problem? It makes my life better overall and it took a character to trigger
it but now I'm stronger for it. I have a husbando who loves me and two big ol guns attached to my shoulders so I'm happy>>1038017>>1038024
Happy for you nonnies!
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This, lmao… who doesn't want to dominate their husbando and make them feel good? come on
Unpopular opinion but this whole seme/uke thing is very dumb. You can be actively topping someone while recieving dick in your anus. I'm not gay I'm just saying
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Every character that I fell in love with, including my first ever otoge husbando and very first anime crush is voice acted by the same actor… What does that mean anons…
Which one anon>>1038435
Sorry this is the last time I'll talk about this particular seiyuu in this thread but lol please listen to him singing a song that sounds like System of a Down and it's about manchildren being dumb spoiled babies
Oh, so it's just 'whatever I hate is a terf
now' and doesn't even have a real meaning. Thanks nonnies for explaining, I'm both too retarded and not retarded enough to understand twitterfags kek
Oh my god. Awesome lmao>>1038480
Ohhh, nice choice!
Here's another one I like. For some reason Keiichi's voice actor, Soichiro Hoshi, is very funny to me.
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Me too nonna, me too. Let's try to rejoice when the movie will NEVER
be out.>>1038378Kubo locked her twitter and changed her bio to "working on ice adolescence", so maybe dawn is finally near. I'm pretty sure a good portion will still be excited once an actual, proper trailer is out after 5 fucking years.
Noo anon, don’t you get it? Women can’t have nice things that focus on them! All het shit is for men obviously kek. Triggered
fujonanon is delusional kek.
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Same vibe as Japanese fujos who self-insert as one guy and say "yume is cringe" lol
Nta but please stop being schizo and acting like a victim
. That's the thing with yumes, I don't care if they think about themselves fucking a hot guy (though I find it cringy ngl, I wouldn't be able to do it), but the moment a fujo brings up their ship they take it as a personal attack and start calling people sick degenerates, as if they weren't degenerates themselves.
Ok, schizo victim
Ok, whatever you say, delusional yumejo. I didn't play the victim
like you did. >>1038592
Not everything you don't agree with is bait.
NTA, but isn't it weird to you that haremshit, visual novels for men and dating sims don't have this problem?
Why do some women seethe about obvious self-insert characters so hard? Do they hate themselves that much? And why do gay men put their disgusting ballsacks in games with audiences not meant for them, and then open their mouths to shit on female characters? Can't they go and make bara games or other gay content? Or can't they go and be fudanshi? Lol
With male-targeted VNs and content, the most anyone says is "MC is generic. Anyway, best girl is blahblahblah". What possesses someone to seethe about a generic female character that obviously isn't meant to be fleshed out because it's supposed to be a stand-in for the player
(more specifically, a typical Japanese girl/young adult), besides internalized misogyny, or perhaps jealousy that the player themselves is not an attractive woman or cute girl IRL? Might as well be angry about mannequins at a store, too
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Koizumi Itsuki (the first anime crush) / Suzuya from Starry Sky franchise (first otoge husbando) / Kuroh Yatogami / Jack from Pandora Hearts. I also enjoyed his role as Shizuo in DRR a lot! But the first three characters will always be in my heart.>>1038491
This so much, having browsed male spaces for years and getting used to>MC is me and all girls were made to pander to me, the player
Makes these fujo spaces so sad when they argue how the MC should be a man and they hope it's not a woman they have to look at.>>1038616
I still haven't figured out why this bothers fujos, you will literally never run into such stuff on social media because such women are shy and keep it locked on private accounts. Meanwhile if you browse a normal tag for a fandom you can come across untagged heavier BL and not everyone uses poipiku, I once even saw quadruple amputation BL fanart that was just tagged with the name of the game.
But they don't hate on them for being men, only delusional yurifags do. If men hate on a self inserf then it's because he's not enough of a Chad for their fantasy.
Meanwhile look at idolm@ster, the games targeted at men have a faceless male character protagonist and the girls obviously hit on you. SideM the male branch that's made for women? They made the protagonist male in the anime because they didn't want to scare fujos, luckily it flopped.
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ive never seen a tweet making fun of female selfinserts reach these numbers
I just don't like female self-insert MCs because they are not truly self-insertable for most women who consume the media. They are always too pretty and idealized. They are actually wish fulfillment characters, just very boring ones. Where are all the faceless generic black hair otaku heroines with cringe autist personality? Where are the pervy brocon yumejo MCs who try to get with their entire harem of bishonen?
WHERE ARE THE FAT FEMALE RAPISTS WHO MOLEST PRETTY BOYS IN TRAINS AND WHOSE FACES ARE ALWAYS IN SHADOW???
True self-insert female MC doesn't exit for me.
>>1038697>Where are all the faceless generic black hair otaku heroines with cringe autist personality? Where are the pervy brocon yumejo MCs who try to get with their entire harem of bishonen?
This might actually be a good point, I suppose female fans would have to make this kind of content themselves. The Japanese companies are probably too scared and just want more universal appeal. I think it'd actually be pretty cool to se->WHERE ARE THE FAT FEMALE RAPISTS WHO MOLEST PRETTY BOYS IN TRAINS AND WHOSE FACES ARE ALWAYS IN SHADOW???
No thank you. Goddamn I hate "ugly old bastard" mfs
People who sperg about there being some huge cult of people hating on female self-insert MCs and the scrote self-insert loser MCs never being made fun of are grasping at straws, literally everyone in the past 20 years has taken a jab at the retarded "nerdy black haired guy has tons of beautiful women fall on his lap" trope and considers it extremely cringe. But since the yume sperg keeps coming back to muh enstars/idolish 7 it's no wonder seeing how she constantly exposes herself to a fandom filled with 16-year old they/them kinnies >>1038714
This is exactly why I'm a fujo and never got into otome. I don't want to see the female characters be harassed and borderline raped by a perverted moid but I want to see cute men be bullied and abused by other men kek.
That's, of course, because I hate women so much. That's why I consider it disgusting that so much hetship material is made rapey. Because I just seethe over women so much. I know I should learn from the master and instead refresh the thread around the clock to reply to everyone how YOU HATE WOMEN YOU MUST BE A DISGUSTING FAG FUJO SCHIZO PIECE OF SHIT STOP CALLING MY HUSBAND GAY REEEEEEEEE>>1038816
Tell that to the people writing most otome. I know some people think it's totally hot for a guy to call the self-insert girl you're supposed to be projecting into a fat bitch and then attempt to rape you but I'd rather have that happen to a male.
If that's what otome is, then most fujoshit is like the screwdriver scene from TnC or when the dog fucks the mc in DMMD (or the one fujos love where the android amputates all his limbs) or softcore problematic
like junjou terrorist or okane ga nai, also everyone loves yaoi hands and strict seme-uke dynamics like the jp fujos that block you if you have the pairing the other way around.
Generalisations sure are nice anon, huh?
JFC fujo-anon, stop seething. If you truly saw women as sisters you wouldn’t be coping so hard about evil hetties and BL superior. No wonder fujos get mocked.>Muh pure gay relationship>Calling me a woman hater makes you a moid
You’re literally reeing because some women don’t like BL and prefer self-shipping.
who is telling you lot to feel ashamed? alright all some fujos itt are saying is that they aren't into that content, they don't get it, but: live and let live. what is up with het girlies and always acting like victims
, i promise you nobody cares about your gay yume fantasies outside of finding them cringe (in passing!); it's only an issue that gets combative when you whine about there not being enough ~yume content~ and yell @ the fujoshi as if they're the problem and not your own side's lack of horsepower. gonna extend to this lesbian ship likers too – all you people do is whine.
and NOTE that hetero shippers are NOT the group being lambasted by fandom everywhere simply for existing! simply for creating their shit in their own corners of fandom. that's fujoshi. you never see posts saying shit like "oh well self shipping is cringe xD" gain traction, but you will see a hundred "reeeee dirty fujoshi fetishsizing the homos!! skreeee" posts this year
>>1039114>why are you acting like a victim?>proceeds to act like a victim
No one blasts you for being a fujo unless you hang out in shounenshitter communities and with western normalfag anime fans. In circles on twitter and tumblr they rejoice in ship worship and homo.
Also read some threads on /m/ (not the yaoi one) and you unironically see fujos calling yumes "cucks" just for saying they like that content in media threads and ITT you have plenty of shitpost tier takes like otome being the same as material targeted at men, or otome being rapey (that coming from fujos is golden) or how it's more pure to ship gays.
FWIW I'm a normalfag and the worst thing I had to experience with yumes is seeing some cringey art by teens once in a blue moon, but when it comes to fujos it was untagged R-18G shit and a ton of annoying shitposting on this site and other social media.
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Do a lot people really hate female characters like that now though? In my experience a lot of people just ignore them for the most part. Even the less that stellar ones will have defenders and people are more willing to blame the creators for the terrible writing that some female characters end up with. And the ones that do dislike them will at least dress it up and hate the writers for forcing her because of heteronormativity or something tbh i can't imagine a bunch of people nowadays saying they hate a self insert mc cause she's an evil man stealer. even the "straight" men on 4chan are blatant misogynists i don't see how fighting with a bunch of anons on here is going to make the gay guys over there stop acting like assholes.
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Ostensibly I’m a fujo (though I ship a loooot of hetshit too) but I’ve secretly created a female self insert OC for almost every fandom I’ve been in. I can’t ship myself with my fujoshit OTP of course, but I always make myself into someone close to them.
Sometimes their best friend or I ship myself with another character I like, but the embarrassing truth is that most of the time I create an OC Donutsteel daughter for my OTP that I self insert into (from adoption or from a previous relationship with female characters none of that assbaby stuff)
Sometimes I just can’t deal with being a sexualized adult being. I have very little experience anyway being a huge autismo, I just want my fave characters to love me without having to pay some sort of sexual toll like with a real life moid. I want to be loved and protected by my fave ship without having to “earn” it.
Yeah, I know I’m the most embarrassing dipshit ITT….
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God I miss those threads so much. What a ride, and I love the idea that I might have been sperging out with farmers laughing at the hetfags all those years ago
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kek I don't remember that thread at all but that's hilarious. By the way, why were people so delusional when it came to YOI? Like, you see two men kissing on screen and you deny they were kissing because you didn't see the actual lips and tongues touching and moving for two minutes straight? Girl…
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It was during the final box sales autism, after the anime finished kek>>1039314
This, pic very related with two bros exchanging frienddhip rings.
Also samefag, sorry for two posts but to elaborate:
I remember HUGE hype over pole dancing and the kiss, that's when the fan hype peaked imo. Some memes people spammed were>WEDDING EPISODE FINALE>ENGAGEMENT RING>ON SCREEN KISS!
but then the hype fizzled out a bit (especially with how the final episode turned out) and fans were split between those who wanted more and those who kept saying people should be grateful for breadcrumbs and coping.
Another fun story was when western fujos found that japanese public toilet Victor fujo doujin and were insanely triggered
I know what anime this pic is referencing but I still do think its kinda shitty that people of same sex can't show any affection with each other either IRL or media without wokies and faghags going "Oh there totes gay/queer" or whatever bullshit
96% of the human population is straight, it's not discriminatory to view hetroseuxality as the norm cause it is the natural norm and it always will be
I stopped going to the threads after the anime was over and only came from time to time to see if we'd get info about the movie, so that's why.
>Another fun story was when western fujos found that japanese public toilet Victor fujo doujin and were insanely triggered, kek
I wish I was there to witness this.>>1039335
Your comment should be unrelated to YOI because it's fairly obvious Viktor and Yuuri are gay for each other, for once. I'd understand if you were talking about something like Free!! or anything from Shonen Jump though.
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This, just because they kiss, strip in front of, excessively grind on eachother and exchange expensive engagement rings with their bro, that doesn't mean they're gay. Let men have friendships, dirty fujos.
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>>1037918>drawing yourself as an anthropomorphic hedgehog having Sonic's babies
Am I gonna pretend thats any worse than obsessing over bussy? It's not.
Gayness and furfagness is on the same level of cringe
This is always hilarious to me. Also the whole>otome is rapey towards women, I would rather have a hot man be the raped one
Then why do you want him to be topped by another guy and not an assertive woman? Really makes you think. And I hate the whole spiel that "I like guys being dominated but dominant women are a gross scrote fantasy", like, just decide already because it seems you don't like when women are dominant or submissive or anything at all.
Methinks some people have deeply rooted issues with female sexuality and want to distance themselves from it despite being straight.
>>1039380>Then why do you want him to be topped by another guy and not an assertive woman?
Besides me personally finding m/f a huge turn off, it's because women just don't have that kind of power over men? I'm too preoccupied with the intrusive thoughts of how this would never work in real life and how some moid would find even dick amputation and ball crushing body horror fetish hot.
The problem hetfags in this thread have is the fundamental misunderstanding of why people become exclusively fujos. They don't want to read about straight couples that already dominate all forms of media and real life so the "why don't you just write better female characters/why don't you just read femdom" doesn't really fix the problem. I don't personally want heterosexual romance stories or heterosexual porn. Female characters in BL? Absolutely fine, love that. Female characters falling in love with male characters? Immersion ruined, girl shouldn't waste her time on that worthless scrote. Male character making out with another male? Thank god they're not abusing women. You see what I'm getting at? When it's all said and done you either get it or don't get it.
Coming from someone who is primarily a fujo, you nonas are adorable, honestly. I don't know, in the fujo thread I've heard nothing but vitriol towards yumejos but you guys are fucking cute? Honestly I respect the fact that you guys dgaf and just do what you want.>>1039477
I know this is a common point for otome fans, but honestly this has never bothered me? I don't self-insert, but idc either way whether an otome MC has a personality or not. I'm really just there for the bishies. To each their own, I guess.>>1039417
True! I'm particularly fond of Ichika from CxM, though I don't like the game very much.
>>1037918> There's a big difference between being in love with a husbando and then drawing yourself as an anthropomorphic hedgehog having Sonic's babies.
keep crying hetty betty
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>>1037873>I'm a normalfag
so you don't know what you're talking about. okay.
anyway /m/ threads are not
at all representative of modern fandom at large; fujoshi are hated almost everywhere these days, and the spaces they aren't are those "pro-ship" pockets of the internet that are too weird to go into anyway (for me). nobody cares about yumejoshi off of lolcow. nobody. you are never going to see a post get 10k+ interactions telling women to stop enjoying heterosexual/otome content. to pretend that people are demonizing you for enjoying straight content, as a woman, is utterly retarded.
to be real, and go further: i have never
seen a yumejo vs. fujo fight off of lolcow, or mentioned by moids on 4channel. this is a thing that purely exists here. stop making shit up
dildos and anime boys are both objects, is the point i was trying to make. i could understand if it was irl gay porn, but anime boys aren't real; i fail to see how fapping to one/finding one attractive dictates someone's irl sexuality.
like i'm straight but i have found the occasional yuri/lesbian fic on a03 hot. i would never touch a pussy irl. >>1039650>go to twitter>search "yumejoshi gross/disgusting">don't get anything (because nobody cares)
>search "fujoshi gross/disgusting">get thousands of posts
and yeah people do shit on self-inserts/people inserting their original characters into canon character's lives but that's hardly restricted to women, so…lmao. what proof do you have outside of /m/?
they aren't called yumejoshi in the jargon used by the people bitching about it
try looking at posts around straight ships and homophobia accusations instead
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only criticism i've ever seen towards straight ships is stuff like pic related (which i feel is a legitimate complaint) or people being genuinely mad at homophobic dudebros. >>1039662>I've never seen regular yumes give a shit about fujos except the mentally ill borderline waifufag hetshippers who tend to be unironically homophobic as well trying to paint lesbian fujos as straight misogynistic NLOGs in denial.
for real. i've also never seen fujoshi give a fuck about yumejoshi just for being yumejoshi. like never ever have i seen a woman go "reee she enjoys straight content!! how terrible" to another women. it's normally just a generalization like "i don't really like het ships i think they're boring" which isn't attacking anyone directly.
Yeah lmao platonic male friendship is soooo underexposed and undervalued, not like it's up on a massive pedestal as the ideal form of comradery and companionship. The evil gays and fujos have really stolen that rare and vital representation from the world.
But don't worry sis, the instant something gay exists or is hinted at, an army of moids will come along to rage about it and how it's ruining pure male friendship! You're in good company!
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Nope, there's a lot more. Lately they've been even going after female gaze straight fantasy stuff by saying it's boring if it isn't malewife x femdom shit as you can see from my caps
I've literally seen you degenerates ship WW2 soldiers
I just wish Fujos could admit their brain rotten, cause only a brain rotten would do that
You gaslighted people by saying this never happens, and now when you're given proof you tell people they're being too fragile kek
By the way, retard, one of the users of these tweets is an adult comic book writer. It's obvious you're a one of those freaks who screech about straight/cis/white/whatever people being fragile and bully them for not worshiping the great cult of faggotry.
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kek anon, that's not even all. Silver balding hairline guy gave up his gold medal skating career, flew from russia to japan, turned up naked there, and became the pig faced glasses guy's coach (despite already promising a teenager to become his coach but being so horny for piggie he just forgot about that) just because piggie drunk danced with him in a banquette and the pig doesn't even remember it anymore.
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most boy love dynamics would be so hot if the sub one was a girl. they're just swapped to be dudes anyways but otherwise keep the same feminine behavior
You're familiar with the concept of bihet, correct? A straight girl talking about how she wants mommy Big Tit Character to step on her and how she loves her milkers but would be absolutely horrified and grossed out if a lesbian sit next to her IRL. Liking an idealized concept in fiction doesn't necessarily mirror your real life desires.
Fujos are not a goddamn monolith either, some of them are straight girls in for the hot smexy male sex hawt droolz!!!!! aspect, some of them are girls of any sexuality who just don't want to read about heterosexual relationships for personal reasons, some of them are lesbians or bisexuals who interpret them as fake men in a lesbian relationship. But it's been said time and time again that a lot of fujos do not want to fuck the characters
they ship and I don't know how many times that has to be hammered in until people understand that not everyone is interested in self-inserting.
Also don't fucking ever compare lolicon to gay content just don't do that you buffoon. >>1039744
Don't be this scrote brained, trying to continuously conflate things that women enjoy to be 1:1 with what men do doesn't work. It's not women who are raping men in prisons and the women reading that gay rape comic know how to differentiate fiction from reality unlike the moids who start finding their 6-year old niece hot after rotting their brain with lolicon doujinshis.>>1039746
Don't care homophobe-chan, go back to /pol/ or the MTF thread to post your based and redpilled gay pedo statistics you got from Sargon of Akkad or something.
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Wya angry hockey player racism yumejo?
I wanna ship you with spergy hetshitter sexism fujo
Enemies to lovers OTP
So, it's not the least bit sus for women to write, draw and get off to the concept of gay rape because they're not actually raping men IRL?
If someone replies "You used sus", they will burn their mouth on the next hot meal they eat
I also never said fujoshi were a monolith, and I'm clearly talking about those who want to fuck the characters, so idk where you got that part from or what's making you so aggro, but>fake men in a lesbian relationship
Why not make lesbian content that's actually good? What's the appeal of "fake men"?
…this doesn't prove that women are being explicitly attacked for enjoying straight, female-gaze(y) content. this is people complaining about things on their own accounts that you explicitly sought out to cry over. even then, they're never outright denying the idea alucard can love women, they're just pointing out he fucked a man in canon. are you retarded?
call me when hetshitters are getting spammed gore and suicide threats and
trooning out en-masse to avoid being crucified over fictional ships, and i'll pretend to give a shit. lmao. >>1039735>So like…what would you say to a moid who said he likes lolicon if he used the same argument?
pedophilia is not a sexuality! false equivalence.>Does that mean you like the concept of males, but not the execution?
i'd say so, yeah. in the end though irl is all that matters. if she eats pussy and has never wanted an irl moid but might occasionally get off to some over-sexed sensationalized bl manga, then whatever. girl's still a lesbian.
are there people who go, "i'm a human being, and i'm against murder. anyway here is my extensive game collection where i kill people in various ways"? just curious
do you understand that fantasy is not reality?
Oh but your retarded friend sure acted like they're equivalent to 3dpd moids here >>1039496
kek>girl shouldn't waste her time on that worthless scrote
That's not at all the same as the widespread, global, universal sexualization of female bodies, objectifying women and reducing lesbianism to be for male pleasure that has lasted for centuries, one would think a person browsing lolcow would know this.>>1039787
Honest question, are you a male? This big brained redditor "well what about this false equivalency that I just farted out to avoid never addressing the points made, hmmm??" energy is really tiring.
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Anon, you're a fucking retard if you think posts with hundreds of likes is just "venting on their account" and that these kinds of posts don't appear on anyone's TL just because I had to search up tweets. Fandom discussion is marred with this kind of autistic shit if you're a Gen Z or younger Millennial, no if, ands, or butts about it. I don't know why you're so in denial and aggressive over it but it feels like you're just denying basic shit so you can still be in the right.>hetshitters
Theeere it is. Gonna call straight women breeders for daring to fantasize about themselves being fucked instead of self cucking themselves to gay man pron?
i did address your point though, how is it a false equivalence? you essentially said>i'm this way in reality, but here's the fake shit i like.
i gave you another such example. i hate murder irl. i like killing people in dishonored. how's it different? >>1039804
lots of people don't. i've always found it odd that everyone understands liking violent media doesn't equal wanting violence irl, but the moment things become sexual is the moment your fictional preferences are a 1:1 to what you desire off of your computer.
can you prove that this is happening or has ever happened?
>call me when hetshitters are getting spammed gore and suicide threats and trooning out en-masse to avoid being crucified over fictional ships, and i'll pretend to give a shit.
people having bad opinions (or opinions you dislike, personally) that get popular happens everywhere in every single facet of life, from food to clothing brands. it sucks, but it happens; i don't give a fuck about that. my entire complaint here >>1039642
though is that lc yumejoshi act as if they have ever faced even a sliver of the bullshit that happens when you say you're a woman into homo content in fandom. they haven't. they don't. there has never been a person that said "yumejoshi/women-focused straight content is disgusting!"
>>1039815>equating white people with straight people
LMAO. I didn't know a sexual behavior you choose to do is the same as an ethnicity you're born as and can be constantly discriminated against at any time is the same. >if you guys didn't project into your ships so much you wouldn't be taking it so personally.
All fun and games until they start harassing you and sending you death threats because you drew one of their faghag characters with a girl kek
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You can learn that too, nonny
! With the power of publicly accessible knowledge, anything is possible, even flight, yes, even for you!
>>1039818>can you prove that this is happening or has ever happened?
What the fuck? you want proof of my timeline on my now deactivated twitter or something?>people having bad opinions (or opinions you dislike, personally) that get popular happens everywhere in every single facet of life, from food to clothing brands. it sucks, but it happens; i don't give a fuck about that.
Except it's more than just that. LGBTtards aggressively shill their headcanons everywhere and get pissed off when people don't agree with them. The most aggressive about this are MtF troons and gay men and their supporters. >there has never been a person that said "yumejoshi/women-focused straight content is disgusting!"
Yeah, because there's never been scrotes hating on straight girl content like Twilight for being lame and having shitty male characters they consider affeminate rever
This. Women are obsessed with being "pure" and doing mental gymnastics to justify everything. That's also how we end up with braindead libfems telling you that shit like makeup is empowering, and fakebois who claim their attraction to androgynous males in anime and movies is actually "gender envy". It's literally just shame and this cloying desire to justify everything you do when you actually don't fucking have to
Yaoi is whatever IMO, it's fine for a woman to be a fucking degenerate and have fetishes as long as she's not actually raping anybody. Just stop coping and lying. Same as the self-inserting yumejoanons who like "rapey" dynamics with hot fictional guys but wouldn't let an actual scrote touch them or treat them that way. Don't write epistles about how it's ackshully a powerful feminist queer lesbian message that the hetties just don't understand. Shit is cringe and almost troon-tier with the delusions
Women are allowed to have sexual desires that aren't in lockstep with what's politically correct, or don't perfectly fit into the current markers/descriptions of sexuality (Kinsey was pro-pedo btw), stop being cowards lmao. "Yeah, I like gay rape in cartoons. What about it?" is far more Stacy than "Noo you don't understand here is my essay on feminism", especially when you look at crime rates by gender and see which group should actually be ashamed
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Generally fujos who purely ship fictional don’t get along with people who ship real people at all, I have yet to see someone in this thread who ships real people.
Closest thing to it is I like V tuber fanart and I ship the characters the guys from daft punk play on stage, which are closer to people playing characters.
>>1039824>here's never been scrotes hating on straight girl content like Twilight
you're right about that, but scrotes hate on fujo content too.
anyway i'm going to stop responding to you (or at least this specific argument) because it's going in circles. you're way too insistent that people on twitter simply disliking hetero ships is abuse or something somehow.
I love you, nonnie
yeah, probably? i've read enough accounts on /r9k/ (i know, i know) from men who tried to go from their astolfo doujins to actually fucking a "uwu femboy" irl and couldn't do it, because they don't actually like dick. fiction isn't reality! >>1039850>I am just attracted to fictional and visual traits that describe an animal exactly…
anime characters don't resemble human beings past a very superficial level. i think a better example would be furries attracted to like, sonic the hedgehog. i'm pretty sure MOST people who want to fuck sonic don't actually want to fuck a real world hedgehog because the two aren't 1:1.
if a lesbian were to find actual gay porn attractive, though – shit between real, living, breathing men if you don't know what 'actual gay porn is' – then yeah, she might not be gay. but even then, people are complicated. like that one nona from earlier said, sexual fantasy is different from sexual desire.
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I like BL but there's a lot of bland ass flat protagonists with like two personality trairs too, it's not just an otome thing kek.
being a degenerate who gets off to two men (fictional or IRL) fucking each other is not based
being a proud fujo is like a scrote being proud of being a hentai addict, I mean obviously that person should be made fun off
I'm not even a fujo, but who cares? So fucking what? You can't answer because you know this is just about being the goodest girl uwu, even as a grown adult, and honestly, fuck that
Pornsickness is a problem because moids are literally retarded/brain-damaged from it and treat actual women like shit, exploit real life women for their cooms, etc and are generally terrible humans. If I meet a woman and she's cool and she also likes some degenerate fictional porn, why am I supposed to care? Help me understand
>>1039496>it's because women just don't have that kind of power over men
Ofc the fujo is going to say this sort of misogynistic shit. You can't even imagine a woman having any sort of authority so like the best of tradscum you always try to pull that "it's impossible!1!!1" bullshit. The only thing it actually reflects is your close mindedness not objective reality in the slightest. Somehow the fact that submissive women enjoy being dommed by a man doesn't make them less submissive and the man less dominant, but when submissive men enjoy being dommed by a woman it's immediately makes them less submissive and the woman less dominant. Scrote submission is not measured by the extent he enjoys it, but by his willingness to put up with your bullshit. Any form of delusions he has while doing so are largely irrelevant. >inb4 muh physical strength
Neither social dominance comes from strenght nor social conflicts are solved with strength. Dumbing down d/s relationships to a mere sparring is just bullshit - they exist in a more complicated context. It would make in that sort of rape where a person jumps on another person from the bushes, but not in other kind where such things as coercion and manipulation of any sort are in play.
Nta but men don't give a shit about making you cum, they're happy that they get to use you to feel good and that's it. A man is a better man if he serves you without getting pleasure.
I will continue to consume content where pretty boys get disheleved and are forced to do gross things with each other because that's nice and I like seeing men being humiliated. I'm not attracted to women so I don't want to see women in porn. BL dynamics can also be more interesting than your basic hetero ship sometimes. I don't get all this trying to act all innocent and pure making up complex excuses to justify liking drawn gay porn. We can be into whatever the fuck we want because it's fiction and we will literally never act on something that doesn't even exist. Who cares if the poor men/handmaidens/fakeboys get offended? BL is made by women for women.
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I'm not a fujo but you sound just as bad as them, your not special cause a scrote allows you to give a prostate orgasm and calls you mommy despite a whole grown ass man, In fact its just cringe
you all need to just stop watching porn and reading hentai
you're not fooling anyone. you were trashtalking man hating anons because they hurt your poor uwu 3D moids' feefees.
Maybe yumes and fujos should ally against their common enemy: pickmes and moids.
Do you think there's a SINGLE anon who thinks that thinking about some anime hunk eating you out is problematic
?? People are pissed because you obviously insert your 3DPD into any conversation because you can't stop talking about them. You pickmes probably think that we should all offer to eat some random dudes' ass because it's sooo sad no one will ever offer them femdom.
/g/ was literally tailored for you so why do you have to shit up /ot/? even when talking about 2D, we can't escape the ''what about the menz?'' mindset
You think it's retarded to think and worry about the intentions of the real man that's allowed to fuck you? Yeah, who cares if he's just using you to coom and fulfill his fetishes, who cares if he isn't really a "sub" and will dump you the moment you refuse to play his fantasy. Such a domme! Not a pickme at all.
Anyway 3d scrotes are gross and it's no use talking about it here. No one cares about your boyfriend.
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First and foremost, obligatory not everyone who you disagree with is the same person. Second feel free to draw me a diagram that explains how we go from someone liking femdom to weaboos being harmed in anyway. Third, the discussion did start about fiction and female enjoyment. Fourth, I noticed in no moment you advocated for the genocide of all men, what a pickme
I used the term femdom initially because it’s shorter than saying “men performing sexual acts for a woman’s pleasure”. I’m sorry that it’s a loaded term and i triggered
your autism but you’ve really got to chill the fuck out.
So how come the internet changed from using "fangirls" to "fujos" and started acting like the terms are interchangeable??
It felt like in the 2000's and early 2010's people on forums correctly used "fangirls" to describe all types of female anime fans before smartphones blew up and tons of newfags and retards filled the web to start misusing words, such as:>"meme" is now synonymous with "joke", even though true memes are not inherently jokes, just viral content people like to parrot>"cringe" is now synonymous with "bad" rather than a distinct type of content that causes recoil, usually because it involves someone physically or mentally handicapped in some way, or someone with zero self-awareness to the point it hurts>"cursed" is now synonymous with "weird", rather than an image that is disturbing and likely something that would go along with a creepypasta
And more. But distinctly for this thread, why did weebs start just labelling fangirls as "fujos" and started assuming every fangirl is into yaoi/is a faghag?>>1034620>there wasn't even a word for yaoi fans
It was always faghags but it didn't pick up in popularity due to its vulgarity. Fujoshi just became easier as a borrowed word once English speakers became aware of it, inoffensive since "fu" doesn't mean "rotten" in English.
That doesn't make a fujo any less of a cuck, either. Though honestly, both seem to try to be escaping from reality rather than actively trying to get a boyfriend/husband/etc.
It's hard to say whether fangirls are inherently cucking themselves or if they're just trying to fill the gap created by coomer men turning into cuck simps for e-whores.
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Exactly! I have also been incorrectly called a fujo a fuckton of times for posting anime boys. Nowadays though we have reached peak moid mental illness, and despite there being more real women on the internet now than ever before, scrotes will accuse you of being a faggot/tranny before they can accept you are a straight/bi fangirl.
Back in the forum days, I think it was explained to me as "well, if you're really straight, then why wouldn't you rather be my gf instead?" Which… lol. Lmao. Completely misses the point of why women like 2D men in the first place. Weebs IRL tend to look bad and even attractive men IRL only sometimes come close to fitting the bishounen archetype.
>>1041067>So much of the talk around femdom here has a neurotic fixation that if a man is enjoying sex, he’s taking advantage of you.
Tbf, even men are weird about this and seem to agree that if you, as a domme, "care too much" about getting him to cum, then you're actually just a femsub. But then "actual femdom" is making him do things he thinks you will enjoy and are "selfish acts" in his eyes, even though most of it is just getting him off to being humiliated.
It's really fucking confusing and shitty. I hate retards that just code all straight sex as mdom/femsub no matter what's really going on or what's being said. It's so shit.
Yeah, orbiter is about as close as it gets afaik, even though men creeping on lesbians happens a lot
more often than women creeping on gay men. Orbiter is pretty general use, and "chaser" and "simp" aren't close enough to men who stalk lesbians. There's not a specific word for it yet.
>>1038809>I want to see cute men be bullied and abused by other men kek.
I want to see cute men be bullied and abused by women, but from a female PoV because literally any visual novel that does this assumes the viewer is the moid that wants to be bullied.
Yaoi has merit at least because usually the cute men being bullied are the ones the viewer is looking at. Yaoi also doesn't do the autistic hentai thing of censoring the man's face during sex since male pleasure is haram to the male viewer's eye, apparently. Both male faces are fair game and you can look at either one or both, depending on what you're into.
Transbians yeah, holy shit. It's kind of mean but it's the truth.
A guy that I had a crush on in high school orbited a lesbian couple for the LONGEST TIME and at one point even admitted he wished he was a girl so the more extroverted one of the pair would be interested in him. He eventually got over it and ended up marrying another woman he met after high school.
I don't think there can be any male comparison with a faghag mostly cause faghags idolize gay men, they view them as sassy and eloquent, they view themselves as lesser then them and many gay men buy into the hype, straight men don't do that and the one's that probably come across as some weird tans lesbiandom addicated pervert
the only type of male lesbians are cool with is just a regular everyday dude whose cool with your sexuality and is fun to hang with you, guys like Chris Hemsworth
When it's not canon, it also gives yumejo hope. When it's canon, yumejo fantasies have to include cuckolding, which is not a step that very many weebs are welcome with.
It took me a long time to even remotely tolerate NTR, and most NTR is still trash anyways because it's not really for the ava or the bull. The viewer is the cuck, the ava is some exaggerated unrealistic bimbo, and the bull is usually some shitty exaggerated male power fantasy scroteshit that isn't hot at all.
I would actually enjoy NTR if the cuck was fat, ugly, etc. and the bull was a bishounen/femboy, while the ava was just plain and semi-realistic.
>mfw the thread is full of femdomfags coping about how servicing a man is based and anyone who finds the thought retarded is "close minded" and don't just get super deep sub and domme relationships
at least keep this cringey shit in the /g/ thread or stop forcing it on people>>1041244
The faghag sperg is a regular around the site and derails all threads to scream about every woman who doesn't want gay people lynched is a "faghag" and that HSTSs are going to steal her nigel away
calling women "boring and vanilla" for not licking a man's asshole or letting a man pretend to rape you is gaslighting at this point
I want mutually enjoyable sex you Idiot and do that I need to communicate with my partner like a human being and not some sub/dom bullshit(like Jesus Christ grow up)
>>1041376>I want mutually enjoyable sex you Idiot and do that I need to communicate with my partner like a human being and not some sub/dom bullshit(like Jesus Christ grow up)
It sounds like you're the one that needs to wisen up because now you're just insinuating that none of these dynamics have any humane communication to them and that they are all just unpleasant or rapey. No one is telling you to lick an asshole you don't want to. No one is pushing you to do shit you don't want to do.
You're not gonna enter this thread and just fire shots willy nilly and then curl up the moment there's return fire. Don't throw bantz if you can't take them.
Shit isn't that deep, I do what I like because it's what I enjoy. Simple as.>>1041377
It's still pickme behavior to lay back and take it because that's what the scrote wants you to do, especially when it hurts but you don't move or say anything as to not "disrupt" his
Many such cases, but this board will pretend that's not what happens to people.
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I want to write a self insert fic where my husbando acts like pic related but people make fun of me because they say he would never act nice to a girl. Should I go for it?
Write it and drop it in the thread nonnie
If you don't say who the guy is I can't tell you if it would be horribly out of character and annoying.
But you can just write it for yourself and never share it if you really want to.
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not a yumejo myself, but https://mangadex.org/title/024cfbe3-9bc8-49bf-8ca5-f9f49ae98f3d/sweet-suffering
this is something you guys may like. the mangaka is a woman, and she tends to make a lot of erotic bl/straight content.
consider it like, a peace offering.
i miss shipping wars that weren't moralistic. when i first began using the internet, ship wars were solely over canon material; e.g. rose couldn't date sollux because they've never talked, or johndave is better than davekat because john and dave have known one another for years and etc. etc. etc.
these days shit would be like (or is, rather…) rose can't date sollux because rose is obviously a LESBIAN and you are LITERALLY erasing lesbians and lesbian identity and davekat is unhealthy if you ship it you are fetishizing gay men >:( !! which is bad !!
idk i just hate it. go back to calling people retards and their 2d husbandos too ugly to ship with your favorite character
i regret asking a question in this thread. this will remain unknown to me then.>>1041589
i like this nonny
, it's rare to find authors that also make BL and josei. I find their narrative style is mature, and the eroticism portrayed in a sensual way and not dehumanizing the women at all.
it's mostly trolls who insist that most
fujos are lesbians, lesbian fujos do exist for reasons explained above but they're definitely far from the majority. if anything, a lot of fujos are bi
This is like the 10th time this is asked in the fucking thread and it gets brought up again and again and it's always people trying to bait anons into some retarded "But if that's true, then …" gotcha that makes no sense like the fedora tipper who thought "Well if that's true then men who like loli porn aren't pedos!!!!!" was an amazing mind blowing argument. You can look for multiple
answers upthread that have been given but they're never accepted because "but you lust after 2D dick that makes u straight!!!111" even when a fujo says she doesn't want to fuck the boys herself>>1041778
Most active and participating fujos producing the content consumed by fujos are
lesbian and it's no wonder because it's a female-only environment where a lot of people don't date men or date at all because they're too occupied with their hobby and community. So many of the Japanese BL mangakas are lesbian or women remaining unmarried even in their late 30's up to their 40's, latter being almost unheard of for a woman in Japan and a telltale sign of a non-straight woman. Even questionnaires say that around 1/3 of fujos are lesbian, 1/3 are bi and 1/3 are straight so it's divided pretty equally with 2/3 being non-straight. That being said I have no idea why so many people are outright offended by the idea of lesbian fujos if you're not a coping scrote who wants every woman in the world to be available to him.
Anon what the fuck, this is just nasty regular scrote hentai with scrote fetishes. >the mangaka is a woman
I very highly doubt this, what fucking woman would orgasm by a man licking her labia through her jeans
?? It's either a kissless virgin or a man pretending to be a woman for horny points like 90% of "female" porn artists are. Also fuck the "praise kink" scrotes are trying to push as totally dominant behavior, a woman patting a man's head and telling he's a good boy sounds like your generic mommy bangmaid shit. This is why I can't take femdom losers seriously.
I'm this anon>>1041699
Thank you for the sane answer. The reason I didn't want to scroll up this thread because of constant cycle of infighting "gotcha" like you said.> it's a female-only environment where a lot of people don't date men or date at all because they're too occupied with their hobby and community
This I can relate, I see fujo community as in a more women dominated space (and they're not a monolith, each of them like BL for different reasons).
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NTA but I doubt a man wrote picrel
>>1041944>Everyone has an ugly face>Twitter filled with gigantic fetish anime tits >Focus is always on the woman>All the males in gay material are baras with comically big boobs and nipples>Male-aligned fetishes>No mention of gender anywhere
Until there's definite proof that this is a woman I'm not buying it>>1041948
Seethe and dilate
It is if you're a scrote probably. >>1041948
Some of them do sound underage and freshly arrived from twatter.
Basically I like to get off to yaoi doujinshi, I imagine the pleasure they're giving each other and that in return gives me pleasure.>>1041938
You're right anon
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This thread is a mess.
your sex-repulsion is super valid
and all that but what you're describing is just not asexuality. Asexuality is a lack of experiencing sexual arousal and interest in sex in general, not memeing yourself into being disgusted by 3D and only being able to coom to unattainable 2D people. I can't stand 3Dshit either and have no desire to experience it IRL but being a coomer degenerate isn't very asexual of you
Also a lot of lesbians thought they were asexual before learning out of their internalized homophobia, just saying
pornsick people like you who can only cum to anime/kink/niche and call themselves ''asexual'' have made that word lose its actual meaning (asexual is a person who never feels sexual attraction/arousal).>>1041837
why are you so fucking ashamed of fujos being straight, you remind me of those women who decide to become transmen so they don't get judged for being straighties.
All the yaoi communities i look at the majority of them are straight, are you in some tumblr echo-chamber where you and soon to be aidens larp as lesbians?>>1042013
Asexual label is the new trend with pornsick perverts, i see them mostly on reddit/tumblr/tiktok.
I see many posts in those communities claiming they are asexual because they can only get off of porn or kink, like this one girl for example who claims she is asexual because she can only get off of a man chocking her and degrading her.
I feel sorry for actual asexuals.
your post was saying that the majority of fujos are lesbian/bi, so stop with your bullshit.>>1042075
she is unhinged>>1042080
i didnt see anyone insist that.
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question, do you guys actually ever have an actual civil discussion about your differences and similarities that doesn't immediately jump into name-calling?
I was interested in this thread but as it continues to escalate, this is the only pattern I see now.
Fujoshis were born out of a lesbian community that used to occupy a gay magazine's lesbian corner and they were called the Lily tribe (hence why lesbian genre is now literally called Lily/Yuri, it was named after them) before the derogatory Fujoshi term born in 2chan set in. Even if we're looking at places outside of Japan, according to a study conducted by Levi Antonia in 2008 only around 50% of all fujoshi-identified female hobbyists are straight, making the rest "not-straight" and this was even way before the woke Tumblr Aiden bullshit. This might not be the majority, but it's still a remarkable percentage especially in 2008.
And as for the claim that lesbian/bisexual fujos are the ones creating the content, multiple gaycomi (i.e. gay male mangakas creating content for other gay men) such as Susumu Hirosegawa and Tagame Gengorou have testified that plenty of female BL mangakas are lesbians and don't want their characters to look "male", which is why their genitals are often obscured, they have pretty faces and their bodies are hairless. So yeah while I respect the idea that heterosexual fujos exist just as much as lesbian fujos do because it's true, your "yaoi fangirls are all straight girls because I say so" take belongs in the garbage and either it's based on insecurity sharing a space with disgusting lesbos or a scrote who's seething over lesbians drawing fictional 2D men but refusing to fuck him.
I'm not even a Fujoshi and i know that >>1041589
is trash, drawing manga were you illustrate women and their bodies like a normal person is one thing, drawing all your female characters like big titted mommydom oneesans and cooming to getting licked trough rough jeans is other, get a grip.
I'll provide you with the ones I can find for the time being nona, sadly it seems the study by Levi Antonia seems to be behind a paywall now but it's quoted in the wiki article for Yaoi fandom (yes it exists lol). However here are at least some interesting sources:http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue12/lunsing.htmlhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/42771903https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286987983_Lilies_of_the_margin_Beautiful_boys_and_queer_female_identities_in_Japan
There was also another questionnaire conducted in maybe 2005-ish that pretty much correlated with Antonia's study but I couldn't find it for the life of me. The history of fujoshis is actually a fascinating topic because they also helped Comiket to become a big thing because it was originally dominated by them and fujo content, but moids literally got so mad over women having a place for themselves that wasn't about pampering male desires that they took it over with loli porn.https://www.kaorinusantara.or.id/english/2199/women-and-yaoi-in-japanese-dojinshi-culture
Personally I found my current and previous girlfriends through fujo circles and it was always a mystery to me personally why I (and so many others) was a lesbian in real life but so fascinated by BL, but reading more and more about the psychology the pieces started coming together. It's a criminally understudied subject.
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>>1042102>Fujoshis were born out of a lesbian community that used to occupy a gay magazine's lesbian corner and they were called the Lily tribe (hence why lesbian genre is now literally called Lily/Yuri, it was named after them)
Doesn't this contradict everything else you say. Yuri is a lesbian, women love women genre and involves no males/dicks.
There is also alot of yuri content made by women for women (its not all just coomer shit like you think).
> or a scrote who's seething over lesbians drawing fictional 2D men but refusing to fuck him.
Please top this bullshit of accusing everyone of being a scrote when you are losing a argument, yes totally lesbian to get off to beefed up males putting their dicks in each others asses…>>1042122
after watching yaoi for a long time,, ive noticed that in a way it depicts a straight relationship but without the reader having to look at the annoying female-lead.
One of them is always made to be smaller,feminine and short meanwhile the other other is always a huge dominant masculine guy who is majority of the time shitty and rapey towards his small feminine boyfriend.
Majority of yaoi authors self insert themselves into the ''uke'' character to the point where the ukes just look like women with short hair, meanwhile the boyfriend of that uke always looks like a man and masculine….wonder why.
> iconic stories,
there is nothing iconic about those stories unless you count the dubious consent, weird age gaps or the masculine character always being shitty to the feminine one as ''iconic''
>>1042134>after watching yaoi for a long time
There’s your problem, you’re watching it.
Yaoi anime is 99% fucking terrible, it’s a genre that’s better for VNs and manga.
>>1042134>Doesn't this contradict everything else you say
It doesn't? "Yuri" or lily was originally the pet name for lesbians in Japan, why would a genre depicting lesbians not be called that? I can only guess that the genre was started as generic lesbian comics but co-opted by moids to produce coomer comics directed towards men who want to ogle cute girls, just like the rest of lesbian content. You can even see it now with transbians invading lesbian spaces to make everything about them. And that's the part of the escapism, if you have something men can sexualize then that's bound to drive women repulsed by males away.
I don't know what to tell you if all this material documenting the psychology behind lesbian women creating effeminate pseudo-men to explore their feelings without IRL male intervention to make them uncomfortable still makes you say "nu-uh, if they have dicks then you're still straight!!". Some fujos are straight and want to see the greasy hairy moids with gigantic muscles and bitch about the "hairless girly ukes" ruining their straight fantasy, nobody's arguing against that. But basing your understanding of "yaoi", an outdated term in itself, on the "big seme raping small ukes" trope that's considered all-around problematic
now and has been a disappearing for the past decade tells me that you're not that versed in what's happening in the current day community and what sort of media is being popularized. I don't know why people simultaneously complain about all the boys in BL looking like girls but then turn around to vehemently deny lesbian fujos being a thing without realizing what a paradox this is.
>>1042140>Majority of yaoi authors self insert themselves into the ''uke'' character
The uke character is meant to be the ‘desired’ one, it’s why people usually like the character they prefer to bottom in ships and why the protagonist is usually an uke who gets the most characterization in the story.
The ‘fujoshis self insert as the uke’ thing feels like something people assume when it usually couldn’t be farther from the truth.
I'm going to put "certified unfunctionally dysphoric and dissociating lesbian jerking it to 2D cocks" on my profile now, thanks for armchairing. >>1042153
Kek do you also think half naked big booba characters in anime are created for le sapphic wuhluhwuh kweens and not male coomers too?
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I wish I could find a list of known lesbian mangaka
let me paraphrase it by watching i meant that i watched and read yaoi. I read mangas, mahwas and watched anime/real life adaptions.
Out of all of them i have to say manhwas are the best but you can still see the straight relationship dynamics even there.>>1042143>"big seme raping small ukes" trope that's considered all-around problematic now and has been a disappearing.
Thats a lie you can search for the most popular mahwas/mangas now and you will find that half of them have that trope.
>creating effeminate pseudo-men to explore their feelings without IRL male intervention
Your head is too far up your ass to see how blatantly straight yaoi is and their dynamics. its so straight coded that its like a parody of both gay/lesbian relationship's.>>1042160
i heard ''strawberry panic'' is popular and made a by a female author.>>1042155
of course its bad, what do you expect from a yaoi writer, of course the only time they draw women they make them look like porn caricatures.
No, you're lesbophobic because you think no female artist can like boobs in a way that you don't. Not liking it is whatever, but you have to make it into some weird attempt at being hyper-PC where all women must have the same brain or something.
Calling the artist a scrote just because it's not to your particular taste is dumb, especially when this thread is full of anons admitting they're kind of neurotic about seeing female characters and sexual characteristics in the first place for largely personal/varied reasons. Not everyone is you, it's fine
this is the shittiest argument i have seen.
We can all agree that the author is a female but they have a scrotey view of women.
The author of Strawberry Panic, Sakurako Kimino, isn't a lesbian and most of her work center around straight shoujo relationships. Gotta wonder why those unfunctionally dysphoric dissociating lesbians don't find a bunch of cute underage schoolgirls slobbering over each other attractive though!>>1042177
How is disliking a scrote comic depicting a heterosexual sex scene obviously meant for male gaze "lesbophobic" kek you're just embarrassing yourself with these mental gymnastics here
Look i don't care, i like big boobs but the way she presents them is just…so male-gazey, it feels like a caricature, i will not praise this weird-ass manga and i think it sucked, cope>>1042181
>>1042187>I don't care
Then stop sperging, post good things instead. Who asked you to praise shit, are you special? Just stop with the pathetic "All artists are men if they don't draw what I like" actual copes>This
. Why are you acting like we can't read replies in the thread?
>>1042188>N-now you're biphobic for not liking big titted anime girls!!Sigh>>1042190
If you're not a moid then you're a raging autist, imagine getting angry over people not liking your mommydom hentai folder lmao
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>>1042183>underage schoolgirls slobbering over each other
anon you like yaoi WHICH IS FILLED WITH PEDOPHILIA, so many age gaps where a adult is fucking a minor.
But you find a high school love story perverted and try to spin it off as ''slobbering underage girls'' lmao ok pornsick yaoi watcher where 50% of the stories are either abuse or rape or age gaps with minors.
you, god you're so dense
Wat. My first post was >>1042094
without saying anything to people who disliked the manga. You're literally making up a narrative when you and like 1-2 other people chimped out at me for not sharing your opinion. You're telling me to cope, but you've been
coping and seething when you should just ignore and move on
They're so invested in their rigid hivemind mentality that they can't imagine that multiple women would disagree with them, even for different reasons. Like I don't care about Super Lovers or problematic
shit in BL, but "REEEE EVERYONE'S A SCROTE MOMMYMILKERUWUFEMDOM" lmao
if you like femdom you should try male yanderes who are written for women. Not all of them it depends on the manga, they are so obsessed with the female lead and they will let her do whatever she wants to them and some of them are toxic
and possessive. So it depends on the manga, but lot of them are submissive.
Yes it would be nice, however that's almost never what the yumes draw.
I only respect fujostacies who identify with the "seme" and femdom yumes. Fujos who ID with the "ukes" and yumes into old men/bad boys/male doms are an EMBARRASSMENT.
50% of straights is still half of the entire population - if it's 51% like in one study, it's majority. Part of the rest are bisexuals aka women who still are into scrotes. Lesbians are a minority compared to dick-attracted women reading BL - at least in the western fandom.
Weird way to spin the data to claim that lesbians are majority
Then you're a voyeur I guess.
I guess it would come down to who you primarily attracted to.
>>1042281>they seem submissive
How though? Got examples?>>1042275>Fujos who ID with the "ukes" and yumes into old men/bad boys/male doms are an EMBARRASSMENT.
That's how I secretly feel too tbh
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Since we are on the topic of male yanderes did anyone here read ''secret alliance'' that story was so psychological draining and i felt sorry for everyone.
Also there were supposed to sexy scenes there but the author decided not to add them sadly.
I'm still confused about how a yuri column made by/for lesbians was then stretched to include yaoi. Not that they're not
attracted to women, but drawing men fucking/dating to escape from men invading your content about women fucking/dating is sort of like drawing troon shit to escape from troon invasion
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alot of them are like crazy puppy servants for the female lead they are obsessed with.
If lesbian fujos really are drawing BL to escape from the evil of male gaze, they are pathetic as hell. They are lesbians and yet they center scrotes in their consumed and produced media - and I mean noth as characters and "noooo we can't draw comics about women in love, some scrote may masturbate to it!".
I have brought up those studies of Fujo fandom half a year ago and it was crickets (because it disproves that Western fujos are mostly lesbians), so weird that Nona is using them now to claim how influential lesbians were in the "yaoi" fandom. The stereotype of a BL fangirl was a horny teenage girl and while it may have been misogynistic to laugh at them for that, it was also true. BL and gay ships was how (bi)hets explored their sexuality.
I'm not buying that most BL authors are lesbians until I see some proof, but ehh. Not gonna debate that since neither of us has sources for the claims.
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>>1042296>noooo we can't draw comics about women in love, some scrote may masturbate to it
I've said it before but men will wank to everything and try to ruin and insert themselves in everything women do, you can't let that stop you. Don't let their patheticness stop you from creating the work you want to create. Go forth and draw more women in love.
Literally this. I'm really sick of the retarded "Nooo women being depicted sexually is bad because men jerk off to it!!!" mindset. It's autistic and pathetic, and it's even present in this thread
Like, at that point, we all might as well take testosterone because just existing as a woman means being walking fap material for moids. Oh wait, some moids are into extremely masculine women/FtMs and call them "cuntboys". No fucking winning unless you go back in time and abolish women's existence
what are you guys talking about? we were not talking about you, you guys were having a separate discussion about yaoi, we were calling out the autist who posted hentai here>>1042221
Your comic sucks, fuck off already i'm not going to "ignore" your retarded ass telling me to like it
You have some balls (literally) to tell me
i'm the newfag when you are the one posting coomer hentai in a yaoi/yume related thread kek