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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
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It's always the fucking same kek
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
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Have you considered making alternative account, or even go by different pen name for your "serious" art?
I'd say keep your comic account for quick dopamine and shitposting for fun. While you're also allowed to take time off from it to develop your art style on the serious art account, then serious audiences will discover you there instead.
source: I do this all the time.
Though this also reminds me of ArtistBlack
? It reminded me for a long period of time they couldn't break off their chibi style for the comics that went viral. I'm checking their arts now and thankfully they can draw full human proportions now.
i relate to this nonny
. i've drawn shitposts for fandoms that get more notes than any other "serious" art i make. if you're worried that people will not follow you anymore for posting art that makes you happy then forget them. you should make art that makes you happy
i think this is an issue with posting art on social media nowadays as people want something funny, and to look at and not think beyond that.
btw anyone know of a site or some service one can use for weekly figure drawing sessions? i'm not talking about the usual online resource sites for poses i mean like a stream or something that shows off models. i still don't feel safe going out to my local figure drawing sessions and was wondering if there was a good online alternative to use until this pandemic is over.
You're guaranteed retention from your closest of fans and any lurkers hoping to be art buddies with you, not much else to say there.
Of course the deterrent here is that streams don't have a fast-forward button likes VODs do and the word boring will be tossed around a lot.>>1039515>Not picking a series that infinitely prints funny haha content for you to draw
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This image couldn't even work in a character design workshop as an example of bad design because it's too obvious. Just take it all in for a moment. She has oni horns, cat ear head phones, AND actual fox ears. That's 3 layers of pointy head accessories. Can't forget the pornsick hentai womb tattoo, weird button up shirt that is uneven for no reason, and I don't think I need to get into the mismatched trans programmer thigh highs. How many troon giveaways can you stack? It's like when you hit the randomize button a piccrew. There is a bunch of drama on this tweet right now calling OP a transphobe because, if it wasn't already clear, the model was designed by a newly come-out transbian. As if that wasn't already extremely obvious considering pornsickness and colorblindness are predominantly male disabilities.
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Also you have to love all of the sexists replies she got for this literal harmless joke tweet that I would bet money had nothing to do with the original creator being trans. Nothing fights twansphobia like calling a woman a slut, because the real oppressed gender are virtual foxgirls!
I'm subscribed to skillshare, have used a bit of udemy in the past; in general these are good for technical basics knowledge, anything above that would be much better learned in live online classes with a specific artist that will give you 1on1 feedback, so places like cgmasteracademy for example.
As for my few Skillshare recommendations though:
For drawing and painting fundamentals I really recommend everything from Hardy Fowlerhttps://www.skillshare.com/user/hardyfowler
For vector art basics, Hayden Aubehttps://www.skillshare.com/user/hkaube?username=1535890
For motion graphics, Kurzgesagthttps://www.skillshare.com/user/kurzgesagt
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I love retro futurism art nonnies. You can actually feel the hopefulness of what the future holds. It evokes such a sense of wonder and awe. Now any futurism art is just dsytopian and depressing
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This post makes me glad that I never involve myself in 3d model rigging or anything to do with streamers/vtubers. Seems like a hellscape and the only oppressed group are the humanoid furries.
As someone who used to work for this group of people before they moved onto "self expression through streaming!". It was mostly horny furry roleplay groups that wanted their fox girl to have as many unnecessary accessories and quirky looking anime trait on their OCs. At the time I didn't have any artist's dignity and just wanted furries' money.
I understand why current culture of Vtubers designs are just as heinous looking now.
picrel is a vtuber my friend is obsessed over, the only one I can think on top of my mind right now.
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Same nonna. The positive outlook and hopefulness for the future is so beautiful to see. Right now we're too cynical about the future to portray it as anything other than bleak and dystopic, as much as it is justified I love going back to these retro ideas people once had.
I'm skeptical when people say things like
> this artist stole my design.. I'm sure every details are exact copy! T-they just changed a bit here and there but I'm sure they saw my design and took it for themselves
If you don't want to post a side by side comparison on this imageboard, would you like to post an external link to the image (where you can always delete in the source link) so I and other anons can judge for ourselves?
If not, here are the solutions:> ask other artist peers to see if it were really a copy> contact the artist and ask for context> if artist refuses to engage, you can either post the comparison in public and ask for public's judgement:
Ending A.> everyone calls you delusional and you eat shit for the next couple of weeks
Ending B.> people who mightve had doubts, or even had their designs stolen by artist may come out and side with you.> new daftpina video
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I was actually talking about this artist. I changed the situation a bit because their design is pretty simple and I wanted to see how you guys would approach someone copying a more unique design. Although to be fair, it was stated that the artist who copied drew fanart of them before.
This person has a little over 1,000 followers and the person who copied has like 16k, if I remember right.
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Yes nonnies, I'm glad i'm not alone. I agree that a lot of the cynicism of the future is justified but I hope someday soon people start to imagine a future with endless possibilities again…
Saying that this absolute piece of shit design is "unique uwu" is the new "it's just my style!!!"
I love character design but I hate how it's been taken over by coomerism. Now every "good design" in shows or games is about showing the most skin, boobs, ass, thousands of accessories all cluttered together and a spit in the face of color theory.
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i have a small confession. i recently started a twitter account to draw a very niche, small fandom that's rarely touched upon by the mainstream and I am honestly feeling good about drawing for once.
i have a professional account, but it has been making me dreaded over the amount of audiences it brought over the years, which caused me not looking forward to post drawings ever (but still have to, since it's my job).
occasionally here and then i'd have to make secret, alternative account where i could post doodles, i tried to evade popular tagging and only follow accounts that are least likely to engage with their followers. Usually those temporary account doesn't last for long, I'd have my "hobby" art gets circulated to unwanted crowd, and then delete my account out of anxiety.
i don't know, cross fingers for me this time dear anons, i really want an outlet to post art and interact with like-minded people again.
picrel by cochlea1313 on IG
Actual working artist here.>Is it worth it to take a class or two from those sites?
No. Look up Steve Huston, he's someone I actually learned from. He's a traditional painter, so he actually knows what he's talking about. Ahmed and Proko are retards.
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I wonder how much of this is tracing and how it’s done
This isn't traced at all, the tilt of the nose is way off on the middle wolf and everything else doesn't line up, it's just heavily referenced.>How it's done
Try doing a photo study but slightly stylize the anatomy to your liking. There you go.
I think it depends. When I work with OC people they'd have their toyhouse links locked, required a special key for commission artists and RP friends to access. The arts are heavily watermarked too to prevent art thefts.
If you look into adoptables community it's a hot bed of plagiarism drama that got people really strict in sharing arts, writings, world-building etc.
Then theres also this case happened. >>1040583
I'm the same as you though, I still like to post my OCs and ideas since I enjoy doing it. If I'm anything, it motivates me to create without restrictions. Not all my ideas are cutting edge either, so I can shrug it off easily if I happen to find other artists or mainstream media share similar concepts with mine.
The idea of someone copying me to the T does scare me to think about tbh, hopefully I can at least not run into my copycat (if there is ever any).
If it helps any, how you write and portray a character matters a lot too and people can't copy that to a T unless you're writing stories while posting art of them.
Also, I recommend screenshotting dates you posted in case it ever does happen, that's usually good proof to me.
Honestly, it really depends on how comfortable you are with the idea of your works being stolen or plagiarized. I've seen a lot of theft over the years, ranging from companies stealing artwork and character designs, to just artists harmlessly copying each other. What >>1041122
mentioned is true, but the adoptable community is kind of a joke imho, it's just artists getting mad at other artists for taking inspiration.
If you post your IP online, the sad truth is that it's going to get stolen at some point. Either by a dumb T-shirt factory, by a design team that trawls the web for ideas, or by randos on pinterest that save your character and then start getting art of it themselves. The best defense about this is just having enough of a following that people can trace the original back to.
Personally if you have an original IP that you might want to pitch/publish someday, I would hold off on casually posting about it, because someone with a lot of money or connections really could steal it and there's nothing you could do about it. Otherwise if it's just your OCs without context or even just fanart then it really doesn't matter.
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How many times a year is PuccaNoodles gonna keep e-begging? first $30k+ for a luxury bred dog and now she expects her followers to pay for her medical bills. It's like she'd rather die before offering commissions or work a basic job
Came here to see if anyone noticed her acting up again. Funny thing is, she's in the animation guild which offers very good medical coverage and insurance. It would cover most emergency room fees easily and then some.
I have no doubt she's got some physical issues but she's definitely a full blown munchie. >Muh mobility! I represent disabled artists! Look at me in my wheelchair!>Posts regular videos of herself playing DDR at the arcade>Hospitalized for 'falling down stairs' post-breakup suicide attempt, endo, mysterious eye problems + >Claims BPD
Such a messy, exhausting character.
Seconded. A mutual used to post excessively about her world-building and concepts which were unique within her niche, then popular artists lurked on her Insta stories and stole her ideas word for word. She got comments after comments from those artist's followers accusing her of plagiarism while those artists were complimented for their so-called "unique" ideas. She dropped her story like a hot potato, changed a new account and artist name, and now won't touch that niche with a seven foot pole. 100 followers is nothing going up against 100k.
TL;DR, never post about your story concepts unless you mean for other people to steal them, not even Instagram stories is safe.
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does the experience stop you from posting arts online?
I personally had this one friend who commissioned her OCs to popular artists, and some of the concepts of her characters got recycled to fantasy shows like The Dragon Prince. I think one of the artists she commissioned, which I forgot name, has this signature of drawing blush across the face like this picrel.
The whole thing kinda made my friend super depressed and she stopped being online altogether.
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"the artist I forgot name" has this viral elsa comic. Which is the only thing I can recall from them.
(If anyone can tell me whose artist I really appreciate it too)
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that's the one! thank you.
The topic of original art's copycat is also mentioned in their recent tweets too. Must be a universal problem these days no matter how big or small an artist I suppose.
Honestly anon, it could be true or it couldn't be. I've seen legit theft like that before, but I've also seen coincidences like that before.
Some cases over the years that I remember reading about:
>GaiaOnline's design team lifting from many different artists:https://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/site-feedback/item-source-concerns/t.108814944_1/https://twitter.com/gaiastealsart>Those bots that lifted any art from twitter and put it on a T-shirt; people started invoking Disney copyright to get them nuked:https://twitter.com/rhythmridge/status/1202339691741302787?s=20https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50817561>Gemma Correl and her never-ending saga of her work being thefted onto clothing, shirts, socks, etc.https://gemma-correll.blogspot.com/2011/01/pride-and-plagarism.html>Smaller incidents of people just outright taking an artist's OCs and pretending they were theirs; BoissB comes to mind https://twitter.com/BoissB_/status/1279753726258012161
If you post your work online, theft is going to happen at some point. I've seen so many artists like >>1042114
mentioned just stop posting art or vanish to the wind when that happens, it's really sad. There really isn't any solution though. This kind of stuff has been going on since way before social media.
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Let me get this straight. She's posted videos and pictures of her playing DDR and rhythm games (while standing up) but somehow her legs gave out while going up the stairs??? Also idk if I had an a disability she's claiming to have I'd try to live on the ground floor. I understand with apartments sometimes you don't get a choice but if it's as bad as she makes it out couldn't she find a place that lets her live on the ground or lower floors?>>1042327
with her following i can easily see her getting commissions but you're right anon, why put in an effort of work when e-begging has worked in the past for her. she also seems to be ignoring the people in the replies giving her advice about contacting the hospital and other places to get some aid.
I'm one of the artist posts original arts without context, I'm also aware of the risk that of my most popular posts might get appropriated by someone else one day.
My solution is to have one or two friends to occasionally brainstorm about ideas and storyline, in honesty it's a practice to keep me grounded since I'm already adverse to social media's culture of oversharing.
You can get someone be your sounding board, or practice doing private journal/scrapbook for your original story anon. It can be therapeutic when you're used to it. >>1042419
How long has she been open about her disability? What was she like before all this ebegging?
I do commissions as a currently alongside my full-time job. It's useful for building my savings as well as extra cash. It honestly depends on several factors, but you should consider first of all if you can handle it to begin with. It's rather easy to get stressed out if you're in dire need of money or can't account for the amount of requests coming in because it's a rather unstable market. If you can't make a consistent schedule to help tackle these issues, you may want to rethink doing them. People are generally understanding, but only to a fault so it's important you're able to get things done on a timely/orderly manner. I'd recommend a public queue/free organizer like Trello/Google Docs or something to help at least organize things a bit.
Next, don't worry if things are slow at first. That's probably the best way to start before diving head-in to avoid being overwhelmed. Limiting yourself and then determining what you can handle in terms of workflow a great skill to develop. Sometimes you just aren't ready yet, but that doesn't mean it's particularly hopeless. The more you focus on improving your art, the more people will notice, and eventually, they'll choose to commission you if they'd like. Just keep in mind that getting art commissions aren't a necessity so you'll have your more busy/slower periods. All you have to do is account for that when it happens.
You really don't need "perfect" art to start commissions. You just need to develop a niche you enjoy working with or a small following. Because after all, they'll be the ones paying. As mentioned earlier, I use them to help develop my savings and as extra cash to help with other necessities like gas and such. Typically, if I'm investing in something important to my commission work (a functioning tablet, computer, etc.) I make sure to save that money first in case of any emergencies. That way you won't necessarily be in a bind if something happens.
I had a shitty time at work yesterday and the whole day after and I was literally thinking of doing the same but with coom animations. I was bored pretty quickly when I tried out genshin but I don't mind drawing someone from there getting dicked down if it meant getting paid over 1k a month plus commissions
Personally I'd make a whole separate account for it, people say it's a hassle to to maintain two but if your vigilant about what account your on before you post it should be fine. I see adoptables here and there but I don't know too much about it.
>>1043823> Right now my prices are within $20-$30 > A lot of orders + work fast
Anon… you're severely underpricing yourself. You should price up to $100 an order like you mentioned, or at least stop taking orders for now and increase your price gradually.
Underpricing + taking too much orders is the reason why youre burnt out, and cannot meet monthly quota.
I'm sure if you've been taking that many commissions, even some of your clients are willing to pay more.
If you're taking orders by email, put your kofi in the signature/footnote so that people can tip you whenever too.
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How do you think Kate Beaton would have survived modern day art discourse ?
her comics were very popular on Tumblr and related spaces and she ended her series in 2018, got married and had a kid
I feel like If she had made her comics now so much of it would be misinterpreted ny SJWs and they would totally try to ruin her
Maybe increase your prices by a few dollars, say to $35-55 each, and have a set number of slots to fill. When you're done working on those, take a break, even if it's just one day off, and then open commissions again. After a month or so increase your prices by $5-10, and keep upping your prices slowly until you can see the money coming in without you burning yourself out. You're going to lose customers, sure, but you're going to do less work for more money, so you're coming out on top. NEVER decrease your prices, if you need quick cash do simple commissions for cheap, like simple rough sketches for $15-25. If you decrease your prices for your usual work people will wait for the price to lower to commission you and you'll fuck yourself over.
Thinking of 2018 as “not modern day” is painful
But SJW shit has been mainstream on Tumblr since the Ferguson riots in 2014. I’m surprised she made it to 2018 even.
If you cant increase the prices then you need to cut down the time you spend per commission. There is no magical solution.
I hate Big Bang Theory, but this clip should be required watching for everyone who wants to start an art business
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Adoptables are still very much a thing, and if you pander to fujos with them you can make quite a bit. Look up artists like yukibuns, kitkaloid, or erebun on DA and toyhouse. You can also pander to furries with them, look at artists like sun_envoy on fA. I don't know too much about the furry side but I do know it's a little more saturated.
Adopts used to be much bigger, but after deviantart (the main hub for them) became a crapfest most people left, so the communities for them can be now hard to find. If you want to sell them, I suggest using buzzly, toyhouse, or DA if you can stand it. Picrel is kitkaloid's most recent auction which sold for 1600 USD.
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bump for anyone who can help me
Not sure if I'm much help but I personally liked the resin-coated (RC) woven papers and they're cheap from where I used to live, not sure if you'll be a fan of the texture though. AliExpress should have them?>>1044532
Some people can't design for shit so they buy premade ones.
I guess I'm just unlucky then. I raised my prices only once in years and I can tell that a lot of people stopped commissioning me because of that.>>1044125
That's actually pretty good advice.
I wonder though if I can keep up the quality even if I cut down the time I spend on the commission, I wouldn't want to lose that (especially if it's not quite there to begin with).
You're right, I guess there's no quick way to successful freelancing.>>1044763
A lot of those companies have info on how to submit to them right on their websites, look up lists of children's book publishers, literary or illustration agencies and then look through their websites and save the ones you think would be a good fit for you, then follow their submission guidelines.
As for online portfolios there's tons of free website bulders, wordpress, wix, weebly, people even use carrd. Just pick whichever one fits you best and put up your best work.
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Anyone have an idea how to make "seamless" rendering like in here? Is it blending brush or what? It makes art same more 3d then normal hard and soft edge shading I use and I can't figure it out
A lot of people go into it thinking it'll be easy money after seeing hololive girls act cute and play games all day, but it's still streaming and it's very hard to make a career out of it.
Plus, hololive is a brand name, it's stupid to think you can compete with them as an indie. Every new gen that comes out immediately gets like 500k followers out the gate.
here's an interview with the artist of your image anon, it shows a bit of her process. The guy doing the interview also works similarly to her so you might be interested in his channel.
Both of their workflows are really all about approaching the painting like a sculpture; they spend a very long time defining the forms (usually in grayscale). You need to have very intentional forms and lighting, start with the bigger forms and work down to the smaller ones and never stop thinking about your light source. Low opacity brushes/soft brushes can also help, but like >>1044886
said the most important part is your ability to think in 3D. You can't render this cleanly if you don't know exactly what forms you're painting.
Watermark everything and add texture. That way it's harder to directly steal, but also at least your watermark is on it, so if anyone asks, you made your version.>>1043388
So many disney artists drew porn before working on things like snow white. You're fine, anon, and anthro is popular kids material for storytelling. And yes, seperate account, work on promoting that one, don't interact with your other account at all, especially if people might recognize your art who might be family/friends. That way you can also get a new username, unassociated with anything you do so even googling doesn't come up with searches for anything other than your furry art. >>1043434
I say do it. Liking porn and stuff isn't just for incels, so draw the type of smut you like, and seek it to them. They will lap up anything NSFW. >>1044405
It's good for people to click it and see other works instead of possibly going through reaction gifs or other nonsense in your media tabs to see your art.
Buy Skebs and report back to the original artist.
It's a boon for the imaginary parasocial relationship you see.
Drawing fan art of something you are not fan of, personally i think its not worth it, it will lead to burnout and depression, art is time consuming job and even more so if you need it to live, so are you really willing to go down something you don't even have the patience to do?, i hope you don't.
But it dosint have to be this way though its not wrriten in stone that its genshin way or the high way, i see people making art solely about thire ocs or comic ship no one really knows the lore for unless they read specific things and they open commissions and merch and thire slots sold out.
I think you need to open your horizon more anon,and get creative in what you can make from things you already love to do, i know its little too perfect to get job that pay well and you love at the same time but you can make it just like other people who never even heard of ginshin are making it.
Or i guees this is my desperate try to save the world from more genshin content and not lose another artist for that annoying fandom lol. But truly anon think about it look around how artists are really making it.
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>>1045920>I don't get how sakimichan and other artists that can shit that stuff out do it.
Well for one, Pinterest solves character drawing for free when it comes to ideas. If anything, your lack in interest in Genshin should make you less concerned about the cleanness of your lines and thus give you more time for things you actually like.
>>1045601>Intentionally wonkify some parts
Kek, because when redrawing a screenshot/picture you find online it’s either 100% good or traced.
I forgot that most anons here aren’t actual artists and assume that every post here is based
You need to cut out anything that you can. Minimal shading, minimal details, focus on color so it pops but don't spend hours on a single piece (in fact, for that price, don't spend more than one and a half hours on a single piece, tops). When you're doing simple illustrations, line weight, color and composition make a big difference to how polished the piece looks, so focus on those. It might be a good idea to have a reference pages with compositions you like and color palettes you use a lot to save time.
Also, start looking for new people who can commission you. Put your art on more platforms, interact with more people, use different hashtags, post at different times. It's slow, sure, but eventually people will pay higher prices for your stuff and you'll have a smaller, better customer base.>>1046266
Trace it with pencil and flip the tracing paper over onto the card stock. Trace over it again with a pencil. Soft pencils are easier to transfer. You'll be left with a very light outline and might need to clean up some parts if your hand slips while tracing. Don't trace too hard onto the card stock or you'll be left with weird indentations.
It's a good idea to keep practicing the drawing, you'll get better at drawing smooth lines and your hand will get steadier every time, but since Valentine's Day is coming up, just trace it.
Also, if you're painting it, do a few rough sketches of the card on a separate piece of card stock and paint those first to see if the colors you want to use will look good together or if any accents and details you want to add will work with the design. If you're inking it, practice making smooth lines and experiment with different line weights.
Thank you nonna! That was so informative. I’ll trace it, and I’ll keep practicing. I’m still so hit and miss with my drawing right now… still not sure how I did it kek
I’m having a lot of fun learning how to draw, and I hope to see a major difference by next year!
Personally find him hacky. He can draw but I don't like his art too much and all of his "advice" videos are incredibly basic or trying to give design advice when he's obviously not a designer.
If he did a YouTube series on story boarding that would be more worthwhile than whatever the fuck he's doing now.
It's really fun anon! It really reminds me of old dA. So far I just joined and it seems to have a mix of regular and furry artists.>>1045777
Same and I actually get engagement on my art posts there.
Don't have a strong opinion on him. His art is just OK. I don't mind his 'edgy at first glance but actually nice to artists' attention getting schtick but I think he went way too soft on that cringe artist who left and disowned Disney because they didn't give her full creative control on her first job and kiss her on the cheek every day. Seemed like he collabed with her out of guilt after shining a light on her embarrassing behavior. Kind of weak IMO.
I've seen anons complaining about his fetishy fat thighed cheesecake art of black women, but thats about it.
One and a half hour for $30 seems like a dream kek
Is it too slow to take a week or two for a fullbody illustration(shading+coloring) with no background? Maybe the problem is that I'm also slow.
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This is from the sims thread… is there an art program one can use to make similar 3d roomscapes? Ive been using autocad but that’s not really what it’s for
you can make stuff like this in blender, a free 3d program.
here's a tut that seems beginner friendy on making a room. i still reccomend starting with something simpler though since you probably never used it, to get used to the interface and shortcuts etc
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Even recently with the artists joking about the sexy Lola that got denied by Warners, but the one artist drew it as a joke when Lola variations were going through non-sexy approval. You have legacy artists like Frank Follmer,
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Not to mentione the pinups from back then too. A lot of these ones were by Fred Moore. Disney himself wasn't the biggest fan of bored nsfw art, but that doesn't stop from hiring them and tbh, I don't care if they draw it.
why do you think she's lying, you can literally see her body gain weight over the years, and her bad acne is very noticeable even under the heavy makeup she uses
who comes online to e-beg without any photo/vid proof of her injuries, rae seems like a genuine person to me but who knows
I don't think she's necessarily lying, but I think she's using her health issues as an excuse. Like she says she was in denial for a long time and hasnt even told her mother about the binge eating, but the way the 2019 clip was filmed suggests that she was already then planning a video about it. Or it's a new clip that she just claims is from 2019.
Then again she always comes across as fake to me, so it might be just my prejudges coloring how I see it.
Late but I had something similar happen to me. I was a small account about 500 followers, had a very unique looking character that I posted consistently (all the art I posted was based on stories I was writing). An account got recommended to me about a year after I started posting and when I checked it I saw they had a 'uwu original oc do not steal' that was a total copy paste of mine. Same haircut, skin hair and eye color, fashion sense and accessories, same hobbies, same GUNS? They copied my gun 'designs' which is just a whole new level. My guns aren't even good haha. They were a much larger account and I never felt it was worth doing anything about, I sent my gf the links like 'hey this is x, I'm not crazy right?' and that was the extent of it.
I don't post anymore for unrelated reasons but copying in the art community is prevalent and unstoppable. I'd feel dumb getting into slap fights about it but it does make me mad. It's not hard to come up with your own shit, I wouldn't even mind being derivative, but copying is lame.
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I hate these character redesigns that have a bunch of shit slapped on them to seem “fancier”. It looks tacky and over designed, not elegant and luxurious. I also thought we left this “design” style behind when Hannah Alexander stopped being as popular.
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yeah i agree with >>1047012
i feel like it's something 7-9 yo me would have liked. even younger if it was bnw and a coloring page. not everything needs to be oriented for adults and look ''classy'' im just confused about the super rendered nipple poking through what seems to be a metal chest plate
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thoughts on people tracing 3D models?
saw this shit take on Twitter, the amount of beginner artists trying to justify their laziness in the replies is hilarious. And then they post their art and no surprise, it looks flat and stiff
tracing does have its benefits such as learning how perspective, structure, and anatomy works but it can’t replace the knowledge and technique from studying basic fundamentals.
they arent bad if you already know how to draw or learning on the side.
But people can tell when you just trace a 3D model, especially if you have no idea how to make poses dynamic it ends up looking stiff.
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The artist in question for context
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I find it odd that she uses 3D models for such simple headshots. I feel like she could draw just fine without them.
I feel so sad sometimes that my drawings don't get noticed. A big following will rot your brain and a small following won't get you any opportunities. I've been on twitter for 3 years now and I think the algorithm hates my art kek>>1047025
As other anons said its great for perspective stuff. I personally use it for when I have to draw shit in a perspective view and then redraw it a couple of times so it doesn't look too stiff.
>>1047308> I feel like she could draw just fine without them.
drawing appealing faces is actually the final step to becoming a Pro Artist, the most difficult part about drawing a human, especially placement of features on the face. she is simply too lazy, or not skilled enough yet, to draw appealing faces.
tracing simply prolongs the learning stage, sometimes forever
Just asking anon are you looking to break in professionally or are you a hobbyist?
Also, which site do you use to upload b/c I recently started using hashtags on twitter and am starting to find an audience, albeit slowly.
I’ve seen artists use 3D models for more complicated pieces, like ones that include backgrounds or multiple characters in perspective, and I’m fine with that, but a headshot that isn’t even at a weird angle? Nah lol. I get that faces can become uncanny if the proportions are off, but a lot of artists unconsciously compensate for that because headshots are their comfort zone, so they end up getting good at it anyway. Also, by using these anime-esque models and tracing them so closely, the artist is stuck to drawing these exact proportions with no wiggle room. If you’re going to have same face syndrome at least draw the faces yourself. Plus, the pink-haired girl shows that the artist uses tracing as a crutch. Look at the arm holding up a peace sign. The forearm, wrist, and hand are like a beginner’s attempt at foreshortening.
Honestly I don’t get the point of tracing for hobbyists. I understand if you have a deadline or are working on a comic, but this just feels like skipping the learning stage in order to farm likes. If you don’t have a deadline then you can take the time to do studies or watch tutorials.
Hobbyists want to draw with the same skill as a professional artist, but skip all of the learning processes. They want shortcuts, tutorials, anything that can give them their results fast and without effort. Sure, not all hobbyists are like this, but a good portion of them are.
And what happens if you tell them to to studies, to stop leaning too much on crutches, to actually learn? "Art is just my hobby!! I wanna draw for fun!!". If you DARE to give them an actual good advice but that doesn't allign with their comfort zone, you get a situation similar to Manga Materials on Twitter.
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Why are you guys even complaining about tracing? That's something that even big artists do. Rotoscoping is the same as well. Just take your own photos or models. You can trace and still have great work.
wow good job on not reading anything in the discussion.
we're discussing about hobbyist artists pretty much saying that tracing is better than learning. of COURSE big artists trace because most of the time big artists have deadlines and it's perfectly acceptable to trace photos and stuff if you're tight on time. rotoscopy is a thing because guess what, it buys time- on a PROFESSIONAL environment. hobbyists are not tight on time and can afford to learn but they're lazy as fuck and don't like to admit that they can't draw an eye without having to trace.
tracing as a hobbyist artist is pretty pathetic. tracing as a professional artist is pretty much necessary at times.
Honestly, I don't really care what type of tools people use to help create their art as long as they aren't hurting anyone in the process or claiming another person's work as their own. I'd rather people admit they use these resources than pretending that they TOTALLY did everything by themselves with no help whatsoever when that's truly not the case.
The issue is not the tools themselves because art as a medium is ever-changing. The tools we use now could potentially evolve within the next 10 years. I don't think it's safe to say that the 3D models that people use now will be the same as the ones created in the near future as that technology is improving.
That being said, 3D models have been around for awhile now to…mixed results to say the least. I remember some comics from the 90's/00's definitely using them entirely, but as many people already mentioned, most will recognize that it looks uncanny valley without any adjustments. Of course, if you don't know what you're doing, your work will look mediocre at best and freaky at worst. However, it can't be denied that these tools have definitely helped people get a better understanding of forming a 3D space. People who may have trouble trying to visualize these elements in their mind can use 3D to create a house to understand how it works and incorporate elements into their own art.
I dunno, I can't entirely dismiss 3D models just on the basis of "laziness" alone because I understand a new generation of people are growing up with these resources and will have to discover how to use them in a way that's not weird-looking. I think that's part of the process of creating art. Figuring out how stuff works and learning to execute it well. Many people will discover whether or not tracing 3D models will help them. If it does, it does. If it doesn't, they'll move onto better resources or different materials to study from. Therefore, I don't think it's that much of a big deal.
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What is this autistic wall of text
>they'll move onto better resources or different materials to study from.
That's the catch though. This new generation of artists doesn't give two shits about learning and improving, they want likes, attention clout. It's why most anons (or at least that's what I assume) here are talking about those artists being lazy, because they want to pump out art fast and be seen as professional for the sake of likes and attention, and then try to sell off this whole idea to others because it's so much easier to get likes by tracing a 3D model than to actually learn.
Some are in for the learning, for improving themselves. Those are fine.
The problem is the ones in for the clout, because they keep sharing those "art tips" around. I tell you, if I were a 12 year old artist nowadays I wouldn't have sat down in my desk and practiced anatomy off staring at photos for days likeI did, I would've traced 3D models to hell and back, because it's easier to do that than to learn. The only reason I didn't do that at the time was because there were no resources like that at the time. 90% of the time, young artists do art for attention only. It has always been like this. The difference is that before they had no option but to learn, but now they can fool themselves into thinking they're DA BEST by just tracing. Who needs to learn how to draw if you can copy everything from a photo or model?
TL;DR young artists draw for attention. most of them don't want to learn because kids are immediatists and they want the clout. tracing is easier than learning. the end.
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Why trace over models when you can learn to sculpt your own and paint over it like picrel
I couldn't care less if someone traces a 3D model; the problem is that it goes beyond 3D models when the person in question lacks the fundamentals to produce a single drawing of their own without a crutch.
One of the people responding to the original tweet even stated they traced an official model another artist created and then passed it off as their own art. That's the crux of the issue for me. Because they don't have any skills whatsoever to produce art, they end up tracing everything
and think it's justified.
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based entei ryu poster
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Props to the people who can do this. I think the barrier of entry would be a bit harder for normies, tbh. I'd love to see more of this! I always think artists creating their own resources through various skillsets is pretty cool. Are there any other artists who do stuff like this? I'm curious.>>1048514
If they're tracing someone else's art that's obviously an issue (as mentioned beforehand), but if someone is failing due to their own negligence, that's their own problem in my opinion.
The lack of fundamentals WILL show. That's why I'm not going to personally freak out if I see some beginner artist tracing over a 3D base. If they don't learn, they're only doing themselves a disservice. People either fail and learn from their mistakes, or they continue to stay in their rut. It is what it is.
The artwork will speak for themselves. Most people aren't super familiar with the artistic process, but they can tell when something looks "off" due to lack of flow, stiff posing, bland coloring, etc
You have many MANY cases of weeb artists who never want to venture outside of the typical safe animu stuff and remain stagnant. I'd treat people not learning from using 3D models the same way as ultimately their ego is what's truly holding them back. It's going to bite them back in the ass later anyways, so I say, just let them. They'll get it eventually…or not. lol
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Toraji-art does this too. At least in some of her work.
Same for me. I only have interactions on tumblr, and insta. Twitter algorithm rewards you if you use the app often, which I don't, because it's so toxic
and is made to trigger
antisocial behaviour on people. I just post art an occasionally comment on other artists work.
You don't need a big following on your social media to work with creative agencies or companies. And this is where the money is. I can make 200 bucks for drawing a single character, with reference pics included. I don't get to chose what I draw tho. If you want to make it apply for internships since you're still a student, and you will meet people and get opportunities this way. Don't fall for the social media following meme, bored teens don't have money.
Keeping professional art and hobby art (ie : atcually self expression) separate will keep you sane and fullfilled. There is a reason why all these "efamous artists" are all neurotic as fuck.
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Just take the medieval pill anon. Stop caring too much about light and realism, and focus more on cute/cool details, stylish ornements and colors.
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Behold a clear case of tracing
Honestly anon once you start to apply to places, most employers do not care about how much engagement your artwork gets online. They're looking at the strength of your portfolio and what you can add to their team and/or project.
I think something you should keep in mind is both of these sites were not designed with artists in mind. Twitter, for example, rewards users who post daily which is something I believe a lot of artists cannot maintain unless they're shitposting, retweeting or reposting old work (I have heard that they shadowbanned people retweeting their stuff in the past but idk if they have changed that). It's okay to feel frustrated but don't give up anon. I wish you good luck in your professional career!
>The lack of fundamentals WILL show. That's why I'm not going to personally freak out if I see some beginner artist tracing over a 3D base. If they don't learn, they're only doing themselves a disservice.>>1048694
agreed which is why the conversation kind of feels like a complete non issue. A good artist who understand fundamentals can paint so well that you couldn't tell that it was traced over a 3D model like >>1048726
Meanwhile artist who have no understanding of fundamentals can never save their work by tracing over models like >>1048438
nta but I think I would try it out. But start with Zbrush or go full autism with Blender?
I thought about sculpting irl with polymer clay in the past too.
In my experience you kinda have to trick twitter into thinking you post regularly. I usually draw a bunch of things when I sit down from croquis to warmup drawings of characters I like and random doodles before I move to work that'll take me longer. If I like any of those before I schedule them out instead of dumping them all at once. It'll look like you post frequently.
Also I'll try to find it again but there was a tweet saying that there was a way to see when your followers are most active and you can try posting around that time to try to get engagement. But typically I'd go for around the afternoon.
But also as people said before, social media doesn't really matter when applying for jobs. I've been able to find freelance work fine. However, I don't think you should completely neglect it because sometimes someone cool will find your work and want to hire you.
I've noticed a trend of recruiters tweeting out job openings and all that too so I wouldn't ignore it for that fact either.
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Don't be mortified. I was just watching a bunch of artists giving up social media. It's really hard to get views and sales now that everyone is starting an art business. One reason I'm no longer going to care about instagram was this blog post. https://rainylune.com/blogs/blog/why-your-instagram-engagement-kinda-sucks-right-now
But if you're getting a lot of views and no clicks then maybe reevaluate.
late as reply but
there's this saying in art about not letting the reference use you and I don't think this artist got the memo lol
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Not sure if this counts as milk but a nsfw artist who goes by the name @/yokappa on Twitter drew a piece that supposedly depicts a real SA victim that was assaulted by her brother.
I think he deleted his account cause I can't find it but from context clues from replies that still exist, he apparently didn't know.
Still wouldn't excuse the fact he took a real child and decided to sexualize her. I also think he's lying.
I hope he chokes I hate artists like this so much.
Even if he didn't know about the arrest, that's a pretty clear dogwhistle. I can't think of any reason you'd reference something like this >>1049743
besides the obvious. Like, what even is the defense?
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You're not wasting time if it's fanart for something you like and care about lol. Just draw things in a style that appeals to people, if it's good it will get noticed. Maybe even start a fresh account if you've been using one for ages without gaining traction. I've seen instagram promote random artists to me as "New on instagram", it's a way to get the inital interest going and from there it's just regular posting and luck
Kind of related, but I wonder how this artist got such a big following, it's obvious that at this point they depend on effects to mask their wonky lines. Is the appeal really just the pinterest fashion and coloring?
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This was just a random recent example, I've seen her art around for multiple years now, no matter what fandom she was drawing for. And some of them are pretty big too
I tried a ton of drawing programs before, including photoshop. Eventually I settled with SAI, but then I bought a CSP license and haven't looked back since. CSP is just perfect to me.
To me what makes or kills an art program is the stabilizer. Photoshop didn't have a built in stabilizer (you need to buy Lazy Nezumi) so I didn't last long with it. SAI's stabilizer is pretty great, Krita's is a bit awkward but just the fact that the software is free kind of compensates. CSP's stabilizers are pretty good too.
she's popular because it's fanart + pleasant coloring style. nice colors (not necessarily realistic) can go a long way.
a beautiful line drawing can be destroyed with horrid colors but a bad drawing can be saved with beautiful colors
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johnny depp is doing some wack ass NFTs now, he calls it "never fear truth", does some shitty screenprints and then doodles on top of them with sponge brushes. i guess he saw jim carrey getting into art stuff and thought he'd do it too.
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Draw "doodles" that take a 3rd of the time you usually take? The sooner you know how to minmax your output rate, the sooner you can enjoy that stupid number.
That or you could learn to enjoy the barn life where grandeur does not exist.
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getting tired of decent twitter artists become nothing more than bitchy whiny personalities its practically a plague at this point! its almost like the more political you become, the worse you become at art
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I'm not a fan of Vivzie's work but I get why she and others are deciding to make and fund shorts and cartoons themselves instead of trying to pitch it to a studio and have the image or meaning changed dramatically.
Like I get that it's cheaper and faster blah blah blah but I hate seeing cartoons look and be carbon copies of each other. There has to be a way to at least compromise on something but it seems like studios don't want to do that.
sorry for the oncoming sperg but im so sick of this normalized entitled as fuck and defeatist/complainer attitude that is so prominent with online artists nowadays, especially in terms of anything related to social media for artists or the "instagram algorithm".
if i see one more artist cry and whine on their stories or posts about low engagement or how the algorithm hates artists or guilttripping their followers to boost their posts I'm going to lose my mind, because it is these same terminal-whiners who in the same breath they bitch about apps like Instagram and Twitter "hurting artists", they refuse to do jack-shit to adapt, improvise, or overcome
take for example the countless amount of artists with their panties in a bunch online upset over the rise of TikTok and Instagram Reels, who would rather post dozens of story rants or posts whining or fearmongering about the algorithm and how it'll hurt their art, or about how "making reels is so hard, im an artist, not a video maker!", when they could instead be using that time to figure out how to make these features and the algorithm actually work for them.
if they put nearly as much effort into actually trying to turn their artwork into consumable content people actually interact with or the apps actually boost, maybe they'd get what they bitch so much about not having. but it is way easier for artists to just sit on stories crying about low engagement and likes on their posts rather than work to improve their art or actually attempt to turn one of those automatic procreate timelapses into some quick reel to just try. at least make an attempt.
anybody who is worth their salt and knows basic shit about social media and where trends are headed right now will say it: short form video content is here to stay, and is only getting bigger. refusing to learn something new or try or adapt just because "tiktok stupid" or "I'm an artist, not ___" is just setting yourself up for failure. these people are supposed to be creatives, right? think out of the fucking box for once.
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I hate NFTs but at least these don't look as bad as the monkeys
Wouldn't be surprised if they were
made on picrew and then just sold as is. It's not like cryptobros do source checking.
I don't think there's any definite proof of nepotism regarding HGS but it's right there on the screen clear as day. It's a show nobody asked for, produced by a company supposedly catering towards the deeper weeb audiences than those who are satisfied with the selection on Netflix and thus very critical of "western" shows, by a creator without anything under her belt and a script riddled with problems regarding pacing, character development, storyboarding and above all the plot that went all over the place.
Of course it could've simply been a diversity hire sort of deal since they centered the marketing around their "super diverse cast" but seeing how Raye is a complete no-name prior to HGS someone at Crunchyroll had to know her and pulled a couple of strings to get her middle school fantasy webcomic animated. You don't just walk to the Crunchyroll HQ and ask them to spend a pretty penny on your vanity project.
they posted a thread about why HGS sucked and it was largely because of budgeting issues according to them.https://twitter.com/dinoraye/status/1483551613503426565?s=20&t=DGe8qCkSfLgiHELMxoUgrw
it was posted a while ago but it does come off as an attempt to downplay the show's shortcomings. Yes the show had a short budget but it stll doesn't excuse every other issue the show had… mainly that it had a mature content warning yet the characters swore like they were just learning how for the first time and that was about the most "mature" thing about the show.
what would have been an okay netflix kid's show is a horrible weeb bait "anime" for mature audiances.
Their justification for the show's results being "low budget" is just fucking hilariously ridiculous. Look no further than Vivzie's Helluva Boss. You don't have to like it or like her but it's LEAGUES better than HGS while being pretty much an indie or near indie show. Budget isn't a problem if you know how to execute something well.
The problem with HGS to me stems back from when the announcement trailer came out. The team talked on and on about how the show had "so much heart in it" and how "unique" it was and that it would be telling stories that "no other show ever told". They were lifting the show up so so much but failed to do the most basic thing: tell us the premise. HGS ended up being an unholy fusion of the new She-ra with Steven universe and a bootlegged Little Witch Academia, and that's not a budget problem. HGS' biggest problem is its atrocious writing.
tldr, the team on HGS were so busy thinking about their sjw bullcrap that they forgot how to write an actually good show.
No amount of money could've saved that shit writing, blaming the budget is an age-old excuse to evade responsibility. You could make a compelling story with stick figures if the premise and execution were good. The problem with HGS wasn't even a rushed story, but the priorities the staff making decisions had. It was an endless amount of characters dropping exposure instead of doing or showing things, character motivations being nonsensical and of course the notorious identity discourse without a lick of subtlety that wouldn't break the immersion. I know this has been beaten to death but if you really wanted a trans character arc there are so many other, more elegant ways to handle it in a fantasy world than older self-insert teacher grooming a young boy into trooning out by a fucking transitioning magic spell just because his dad wanted him to man up. Even if you agree with trans shit that was probably the most unironically problematic
way to write representation. >>1051532
And it's not even the preachy "SJW shit" that really ruined it, it was because during those scenes none of the characters were likable to the point you would have felt sympathetic towards them and every exchange sounded unnatural and phoned in, breaking the flow of the story every time it happened. I think the main problem with the creators was ultimately their own hubris and combined with that, their lack of perspective. They just wanted to make a bunch of scenes from the masturbatory ideas they had without constructing a coherent story out of them.
each time i hear a western animator/show writer under a big company name saying "ohhh i've been working on this story for years and pitched it many times but no studio wanted to take it" i instantly deem said show as garbage.
the only good thing about high guardian spice was slime boy. and that's because his voice acting is so fucking bad it's good. if hgs was about slime boy it would be 10x better.
I know she says not to compare it to anime because HGS is a cartoon but anime is literally cartoon in Japanese so I'm gonna ignore that complaint.
There are quite a few examples of shows with low budgets that are still remembered and loved to this day like utena, kill la kill(back when the studio was pretty new), sailor moon, and I think Panty and Stocking if I'm not wrong.
There are ways to make budgeted animation look cool and intriguing with even still shots alone.
I can't talk much about writing since I'm nor completely sure how you'd navigate that on a budget(they were given less time to correct the script and develop things) but In Utena and Kill la Kill there were moment where it was a still shot with just the characters talking and I still had a good time watching it.
Long story short; I think High Guardian Spice is just shit and it's hard to believe the excuses made for it.
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Real tired of Live Laugh Love takes like these.
18 y/o creators with a published book and 100K followers: don't you folx worry i'm a rarity most people don't succeed until they're 40 you are valid
I can list at least 10 different anime that does part or all of what HGS does and better. If you have to talk about how "so much heart was put into it" (implying other shows don't have that) or how "unique" (implying other shows can't be unique in their own right) it is, it is probably neither of those things.
The fact that Crunchyroll is an anime
website should have been the first warning that the writing team was in for an uphill battle especially considering the show looks more like steven universe or she-ra than having an anime aesthetic at least.
The only "good" men on the show are either effeminate or trans (The Professor and Snapdragon) while every other "masculine" guy reads like they're plucked from a mgtow or incel subreddit and even then it isn't convincing it's like the writing team has never spoken to a guy that wasn't trans or effeminate in their life, the "bullying" Amarillys does to Sage is low-tier at best, the professor (who is very clearly a self-insert) explains that he is trans in the most elementary school way possible not once, but twice and the first time to a character that information isn't even relevant to (the explanation should have just been to snapdragon), the show's plot is rushed yet too slow at the same time, the voice acting is atrocious, the argument for new magic vs old magic is only said but we're never explained why new magic is actually bad or dangerous, and the most glaring thing of all is that they say the show is made for "mature audiances" yet it is written with the same level of writing as She-Ra or Steven Universe.
It would have been an okay netflix kids show or even an okay children's anime that was taking it's shot on crunchyroll, but overall it was just awful. The only people who actually enjoyed the show are SJWs who watch literally nothing but children's media. Budget could have helped some of these issues, but overall there was no saving grace or silver lining to the story.
RWBY at its start was pretty low budget (you could literally tell the main character from a background character because background characters are shadow people low budget) and the writing was stale or bad at times in the first two seasons and episodes were only 10 - 15 minutes each. The show made up for its low budget by managing to hook an audience with good character design, the launch trailer was an actual trailer (or series of them rather) that focused on the main four characters, actually appealing to the anime market and leaning into common anime tropes, and above all just having characters people just enjoyed watching. It was low budget but had enough of a silver lining that people wanted more of it. HGS? No one wants more of it.
This. The reality is that it is a grind and that a lot of people actually don't succeed until they're in their 30s - 50s. It's better to acknowledge that being 20 with 100k followers and a book is a rarity than pretending it is an obtainable goal for everyone and that if you haven't made it by that point then you're just doing something wrong. Too many artists have unrealistic goals and expectations when it comes to followers and engagement and a lot of your followers will lurk or not always engage with your content for different reasons. If you have 200k followers you will not get 200k likes every time you post something or even 100k, you may get closer to 20k or 10k per post if that.
but if you stop creating because you don't get the engagement you either need to re-align your priorities in why you want to create or acknowledge that you just aren't going to make it and give some excuse about how it is the algorithm and not the fact that you barely created because you never got the validation you wanted and complained and guilt-tripped what followers you did have and blamed them for your lack of success
praying for you anon, hope you get over your putting down others on an image board to make you feel better about yourself phase.>>1052279
honestly i would still post anon because if it happens, it happens. the art community rallies against tracers but i feel like you gotta be real dumb nowadays to try and trace other's work. it's okay to feel worried about your work getting stolen but i don't think it should prevent you from posting.
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i'm not putting down anyone, but unless you're a popular artists which obviously requires having a ton of followers, you shouldn't give a fuck about others ''tracing'' your work. it's not worth it. that post just really gave of 0 followers art acc posting anime floating heads and putting a do not copy watermark over lol
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>le epic greentext
uh oh p-persona! must be like 12 right?! eksdee!
it IS dumb, nobody cares about your art when you're a nobody, and that's just how it works on social media and irl. putting watermarks looks retarded af, you literally look like picrel when you do so. just post your art, try to become relevant, continue. if someone traces? good, you're becoming relevant. someone steals? well i hope you're making more of your own art than a stealer can. like c'mon grow up a bit
Watermarks are tricky because if it's too invasive it CAN ultimately be disruptive to the artwork itself. This is a problem many newbie artists have with digital art in general. They fear more about the art being stolen itself rather than how they can protect their artwork while still having a cohesive watermark. Not saying it's not unnecessary as the current art market is oversaturated to hell and back, but that it can definitely be worked into the artwork much more organically.>>1052596
That's usually my queue for knowing I'm a bit burnt out and need to try something different. I'd suggest doing a study you never tried before or browsing speedpaints/videos of artists that inspire you. It can really help bring your motivation back.
The way to not get too atached to your art is by just making more art, including smaller stuff like doodles and quick sketches, comcempt thumbnails of anything that comes to your head, that way art becomes more of a common activity for you and doesn't feel like a "rarity that must be protected at all costs". If someone steals your art you just know you can just not care and keep making more of it.
Not wanting to post just cuz some twelve year old with a bucket tool might trace it is kinda sad tho. Social meadia has time stamps, nonna, you can literally prove it's yours. Relax.>>1052571>le epic greentext
nonna this is an image board
thanks nonas. i'll just practice not giving a fuck i guess and just focus on drawing. >>1052543
does have a point. wasn't put down by it so no worries.
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So Genshin impact fans are trying to cancel abbystea, a popular russian Genshin impact fan artist for the grave sin of being homophobic(she made fun of fujos and said BL shippers are just porn-sick misogynists) and trans/enbyphobic(she made fun of people with non-binary pronouns)
fucking hell, this is all it takes for be attacked by these subhumans
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To be honest she just sounds based
she must have seen the genshin thread here kek. i dont give a shit about a fictional character's perceived sexuality, but good on her for triggering
them. though anons might argue otherwise, fujoshi are so unbearable. even my sister who is into bl cannot stand other fujoshi.
aydens, tifs, enbys and the faghags
a deadly combination to piss off
I love seeing the delusional faghags in the comments insisting certain characters are gay and that it would "fit" better
were faghags always this delusionla
I got private quote rt'd and lost a couple followers after saying jokingly tweeting a BL ship bored me in another fandom. These fujoshis are really zealous to defend the honor of fictional bussy bandits.
They really can't read emotions without "/sarcasm" or "/joking". Not literal "animals", but "mad/crazy/wild" people who are ready to sue their relatives. She called the angry fujos misogynists, but they show it as "she enjoys hetero ship and gets upset because of hate comments = she is homophobic".
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that thread is funny bc apparently the abbystea person also scammed tons of people out of money before remaking, but for some reason thats at the very end of the callout thread so everyone just focuses on the retarded shit
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This really is picrel
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I’m a retard and don’t understand shading and lighting. I can only do anatomy and landscapes but my figures always look so flat. What are some tips on understanding those fundamentals.
Everything I’ve read up on it doesn’t compute in my retard brain.
Are you daft? She literally made comments glorifying CCP for banning the portrayal of homosexuality and called people who ship gay ships diseased while drawing coomer male gaze f/f art and hiding behind that, it's not a case of broken phone because that's literally what she's been saying. This is a very deserved callout for once, the bitch is openly homophobic and scams people out of money while making edgy jokes in Russian thinking people won't find out due to the language barrier. Jesus, the crabs ITT go crazy over the smallest crumb of forced Sakimichan drama accusing her of being a """pedo""" for drawing an aged up character yet this legitimately awful shit is "based" to them. She literally thinks MTF trannies are hot too so to me your redpilled Russian princess sounds like another case of NLOGs drawing oneshota, sexualized pretty girls and lesbian porn to lick cumbrain boots.
Come to think about it, is there even any proof of her being a woman? Wouldn't be the first time someone of her profile faked being female to evade blame and seem more interesting in the vast ocean of male artists. Someone like her (the "MILF Minnie" guy) was outed for lying about being a woman just a few months ago.
Didn't she get outed to her family by a bunch of puritan antis for drawing a BL ship they didn't like? Or am I confusing two different stories?>>1053841>tracing
I honest to god called it the first time I saw her art, shit looks traced as hell with the amount of style shifting, composition not matching the amount of detail, either claw-like or extremely detailed hands etc. Nice to hear confirmation for this.
Yesss, thank you nonny
Think of stuff as 3d always, if you draw good anatomy you have to figure out how that body work in 3d form and then imagine you are the lighting source and shade like everything you barely see in the picture or supposed to not see gets darker the further it is from you.
This is just so your retarded mind can grasb what the fuck you are doing at first, always start simple.
About Abby's tea (aconitea). >Twitterfags are retards for claiming she is homophobic (girl has been drawing a lot of shoujo-ai arts for a long time and is into yaoi too, just hates the unhinged part of fujo comm) when the only thing she is against is trannies (which is based), useless pronouns and western retarded cancel culture (that always comes out of nowhere).
>They decided to dug up her anti-tranny twitter likes only now (surprisingly enough), when last year the same Genshit community was accusing her of being homophobic because she got tired of unhinged fujos on genshin twt (No grduge against fujos, the fujos i am talking about are the ones who went full fakeboi mode or are hating women and shitting on hetships instead of just sitting and enjoying your own thing).
Also, the 'china commie support ' tweet is literally nothing but a joke.
>However, that does not mean she is a good person. She is a well-known tracer and scammer. Just a few years ago she was harrassed and bullied in Russian artist community for taking A HUGE CHUNK of commissions and leaving people without any updates, just straight-up ghosting them for 7 months. Instead of returning the money (let alone doing anything), she just disappeared and re-appeared under a new nickname which you know now, later switching to Twitter.
People should stop cancelling others over twitter likes or ship choices, they should finally start cancelling people for long-term scam and tracing instead. so tired of this shit
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Just gotta love both the "she was only joking" and the "s-she draws f/f so she can't be homophobic!!!" defense. Kinda like shuwu claiming she can't be homophobic because she's totally ~bisexual~ and her genuinely bigoted views are just ~jokes~ wokies are too bluepilled to understand. If she's tweeting takes like "I'm glad all characters in Genshin are heterosexual, glory to the CCP" because they banned homosexuality from the media and spergy shit like pic related then she seriously has no business whining about "unhinged fujos". Also, integrate.
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Okay keep simping for her then, you'll just have to accept that intensely defending someone who draws pedobait straight shota while throwing tantrums about fujos but acting as if her liking sexualized lesbians shields her from being homophobic despite being pleased with a nationwide ban on portraying homosexual relationships actually does make you look like a retarded /pol/ moid who thinks this is his based tradwaifu to be. If she even is a woman, seeing how there's no other proof than her own word and seeing how she has a history of scamming people online I wouldn't count on it. And no, she hasn't said anything critical against troons besides whining about genderspecials and has admitted to thinking traps are hot and having a trans fetish.>>1054041
Seethe. Nobody's calling her out for "not drawing yaoi ships", people are calling her out for sympathizing with IRL homophobic views simply because it makes her hot mommy fetish ships totally valid
all the Genshin characters look like either kids or teenagers, only about 2 look like their even 16
its not pedobait faghah
not everyone who dislikes yaoi or hates faggots is a moid ffs. keep seething over her it’s not gonna affect her in any way since she still has a large following despite all of you retards trying to cancel her because “pedo ship” but turning around to ship the same characters with males kek. >>1054053
It’s literally insane this thread and the genshin thread (shocking) are the biggest examples of this. It literally makes the site unusable the fact that people are actually talking about “transphobia bad” like >>1053677
. Cannot believe this is the actual state of Lolcow in 2022.>>1054062
So any woman who enjoys drawing women or hetshit is pandering to scrotes now? Ok, guess the only way to be a tried and true feminist is to draw twinks banging each other.
Yeah, I thought I was going crazy. >>1054052>simply because it makes her hot mommy fetish ships totally valid.
I think we all know where your problem lays now.
Way to miss the point retard kek>>1054084
My life isn't ending either, it's just funny that you're calling "based" a woman who's into oneshota that calls other women with a less degenerate fetish deseased.(infighting)
You're literally calling women interested in drawing women or lesbian art scrote pandering while lusting over smut of 2 scrotes. It's stupid. I hate it when fujos keep acting like they're being victims
of homophobia while being homophobic to lesbians.
>>1054094>Argues about an artist on lolcow>I don't care who she calls who! This whole discussion doesn't matter, it's not going to affect her in any way!
Why are you here then>>1054103
You don't know shit because the vast majority of shota is made by and for scrotes. And yes sexualising males for women's entertainment is better than some coomerbrained woman(?) into trannies and shotas, that's a fact, seethe and dilate.
In my previous experience the people who center their work around drawing only attractive women in suggestive situations, are obsessed with scrote slanted hetships (such as the notorious mommydom trope in question) to the point they sperg at fujos for ruining their ship, drop homophobic bombs but deflect accusations of homophobia because they draw ultrafemme lesbians holding hands, those people are either moids themselves or attempting to pander to them. It's not like this person is someone "just" drawing hetships, nobody's calling her out for doing that, it was her congratulating a fascist government for installing censorship laws on portraying gay relationships only because that made her ships "more canon" as if this ban was an epic online argument win and not a blatant abuse of human rights happening in real life that made people mad. She never even explained herself or apologized for it and iirc just keeps talking shit about people in Russian so one can assume that she really doesn't give a shit about gay people, all this damage control about it "just being a joke brah she's just against the unhinged
ones!" is total and utter bullshit.>>1054103
Oh, it's you again. Nevermind then.
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People started screaming and claiming that this artist is homophobic when her only issue are unhinged, women-hating fujos, which turned out to be the only actual reason why she got canceled. Fuck your Genshit game.https://twitter.com/evil__sasha/status/1405871918868226050
That's why noone takes Genshin art dramas seriously.>>1054207>What does that make me?
Right now? Attention whore.
Lmao same anon, wow how shocking a site with a bunch of women who hate men also hate gay men, shocking! They don’t get a free pass for being faggots, they are usually worse anyways. >>1054181
Honestly this game has been a more harmful plague than the actual pandemic.
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Heterosexual Venti is so powerful ngl. What a queen
If you don't want people calling you tranny then stop acting like a tranny, it's that fucking simple.>>1054212
All of you retards are forgetting that real faggots and 2d husbandos are two different things.
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me and my son
it's literally just people being all "omg twitter is so bad guys" and then acting just like them but over a different trigger
Imagine unironically self-interting in a big booba mommy milkers character and calling the scrote you'd like to fuck your son. Shippers are so autistic.>>1054134
She really likes to act like a victim
because someone didn't like her oneeshota shit and other people making up ships is breaking her self-interting immersion or something kek
I remember seeing another Russian artist say that some Russian artists will grind to an almost unhealthy degree.
I understand grinding to a degree especially if you want to live off of your art but I sometimes see people say they barely sleep. Their art is well-known and they're making money and everything but I wish some would find a balance so their wrist bone doesn't turn into dust.
It's hilarious how she's acting like a proper "LGBT ally" who "escaped her fascist government" on her English media to play a victim
harassed by evil gay and lesbian shippers while being a vile bitch on her Russian socials aggressively picking up fights and having meltdowns over people not supporting her mommydom ships. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you can't handle the heat maybe don't go all aggro on everyone and then cry bully when people don't appreciate your "jokes" about fascist censorship affecting millions of people.
All in all, summary of her:>Russian-speaking artist, assumed to be woman despite no proof in form of photos, real name, pretty much anything>Has a history of scamming people and tracing drawings>Draws almost exclusively beautiful young women in sexy clothes and suggestive poses and situations>Only ships m/f and femme f/f and tries to pass it off as being pro-LGB>Uses a flurry of misogynist slurs in Russian to refer to women>Obsessed with mommy milkers and oneexshota, a dynamic especially popular with men>Seethes over fujos and constantly attacks them, plays victim when they retort>Considers being headcanoned as gay "undeserved" because homosexuality is apparently a punishment>Luminefag>Kancollefag>Draws traps popular with troons such as Felix and admits to having a tranny fetish, has even drawn 2B as a dickgirl >Sympathizes with CCP censorship "ironically" and makes holocaust jokes
If this isn't a scrote they pass better than any Aiden I've ever come across in my life.
Nta but all this "go back to twitter" shit is so fucking annoying. If none of you used twitter this random russian mommy milkers artist wouldn't even be discussed right now.>>1054319
If you're willing to spend money for classes you can try looking up online if there are any russian artists offering some near you? I was lucky enough to have one in the next city, he taught them in his studio and we were about 5-8 people in my age range back then. We mostly drew or painted portraits of models he hired or did still lifes. It doesn't sound like much, but I've learned so much in that short amount of time just by being there 90 minutes each week. Although >>1054322
is right, mindlessly drawing and copying won't get you very far, it's vital to have someone capable around you who can point out your mistakes and suggest ways to correct them. It's hard to notice flaws in your drawings at first and the wrong teacher will just discourage you, but it's important to learn how to be critical of your work
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You know, I'm starting to agree with anon. Girl acts like I don't have the VOD which says some people take an hour at minimum.
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Change an image of a person or portrait to greyscale or get one that is already in black and white and do a study of it. You can also do this with art by old masters. For me, I used art by John Singer Sargent and Edmund Blair Leighton. I changed them to black and white/greyscale and did a partial study. Eventually you'll start understand light and shadow more. Marco Bucci's videos are great for learning more about this.
I can never understand Karla's intentions. She wants artists to get paid more but wants them to do NFTs too? I want to believe that she wants to help artists but with her shilling for NFTs, I don't know.
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I know NFTs suck ass in many aspects but i’m kind of dumb and don’t really understand how crypto works but don’t artists actually lose money on NFTs?
On the topic of NFTs did you guys see the whole Gumroad drama? A bunch of artists are now leaving the platform and they just keep digging themselves a deeper hole.
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Samefag, this is regarding to an employee who left due to not wanting to partake in NFTs and Gumroad responded like this to him saying he would no longer be working with them.
no joke, you could probably make more money faster being a coom or furry artist before making any profit off of an NFT.
Too many assholes are stealing art from my favorite creators and stealing foreign artists accounts to make them too so my disdain for them only grows higher; it feels like the community is up to it's knees in greed and desperation for money, it's honestly pathetic. It's amazing people want to be associated with that.
It'll crash soon and I hope it crashes in the most awful way possible
>I know NFTs suck ass in many aspects but i’m kind of dumb and don’t really understand how crypto works but don’t artists actually lose money on NFTs?
To mint an artwork to turn it into an NFT you need to pay, and it's not guaranteed that you'll get that money back. It's similar to gambling in this aspect, or entering a pyramid scheme. For a person to buy your NFT you either need to have some crazy good networking, be rich, be famous/established in the market, or all three.
AKA average people have more chances of losing money trying to enter in the NFT game than actually winning anything. Like manay have said here before, NFTs are playground for the rich and famous only.
They even steal from dead people but you won't catch Karla defending those artists the way she defends NFTs. That's why I find it hard to believe she wants to truly help artists like she says. She took this tone in December during the NFT argument and I'm wondering if she's using this >>1054387
to segue it into the next debate. She's in a debate every week. She said that she was going to take a break from social media but it didn't seem to last very long.
She's a scammer, anon.
I couldn't care less what she's into but she seems like any other retarded twitter artist who can't be assed to keep their softcore separate and limited to people willing to view their ara-ara big sis x little boy fetish crap.
If it was fujos they'd have get violently gang raped by older men
its degenerate but still better then most faghag shit
I put she/her only and nobody's ever given me shit
I've never seen anyone demand you need to be a she/theybie
They're right though, most people don't care about this as much as you think. They literally just want to know what you like so they can go "Check this artist out, her art's cute!"
Everyone has pronouns and if others don't know it they will just default to they/them or he/him otherwise.
People on both extreme sides of this argument are so retarded, I feel like this is just common sense but people will act like you're holding a gun to their head to make you do it when you're your own free person.
>>1055418>e-everyone does it so you should too!!!!
Just put a venus/female symbol in your bio, all cryptoterfs are doing it.
I'm not saying everyone does, I'm saying everyone has pronouns so at the end of the day this argument is stupid, and you getting assmad about is wasting energy. Please get reading comprehension love, I suggest buying a leapfrog>>1055427
pinterest is perfect for drawing random people and poses. Sketchdaily is great too.
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You know what to do.>>1055163
There is no point in adding them. No one ever bothered by asking 'muh pronouns'. You don't have to add them, it's all your own decision. Worst case if your genderspecial friend starts screeching, you can say that 'if they need to know my pronouns, they can always ask'.
I think most people would fall between those two categories anon. Based on my observation, majority of people have their story ideas ready and basic plotlines laid out, and most of those people also plan out the major events and dialogue of their comic, but more spontaneous type is common as well.
Hosting site depends on what you're looking for in a readership base.
Self-hosting on your own website costs money, not ideal if you don't intend to dedicate yourself fully. All marketing needs to be done yourself, otherwise nobody knows your comic exists and nobody will read it. However, you have full creative control and can customize your site to display your comic in the best way possible.
Hosting on Tumblr is an option if you don't have the money for your own site. There's not as much struggle to find an audience compared to your own site, as Tumblr already has a(n albeit-inactive) userbase, but there's still a lot of self-advertising needed.
Hosting on both your own site or Tumblr makes you eligible to be nominated for awards such as the Eisner Award, if you're lucky enough to be seen.
Comicfury is webcomic hosting site with relatively established userbase, with a lot of creative control given to you and the ability to customize your webcomic page.
Webtoons and Tapastic both have decent userbases, Webtoons more so than Tapastic. Vertical scroll webtoon format is more favourable on those two sites, and the size will be scaled down for easy mobile viewing.
Webtoons has a larger but younger audience. Higher visibility, but stricter censors and higher probability of a more immature readership. Participating in the creator events often gets your comic seen by the Canvas (self-publishing) team, who will often promote series on their social media.
Tapastic has a smaller userbase compared to Webtoons, but has more creator-friendly features. Userbase on Tapastic is more mature and understanding, but you have a lower chance of being promoted or finding success on Tapastic. Community is more tight-knit and mutually supportive.
Best of luck anon.
I prefer putting "female" than retarded pronouns, but I saw a twitter post that apparently it's a TERF
dog whistle kek
>>1055418>People will assume you’re a he/him
Good, then that will keep male orbiters away>>1055436
I’ve been making webcomics for the past 5 years, one comic I’d consider a failure and one I’d consider decently successful with a regular readership. Huge sprawling stories are usually infeasible with the rate most webcomic artists work at, I’m doing a drama with most of the storyline pre-plotted out so I don’t get sidetracked. I use webtoons and tapastic as hosts, even despite my comic not being formatted for scrolling layouts. Personal websites won’t get you nearly as much exposure as using a major comic hosting site. I used to have my own site but I stopped paying for it since most of my readership came from elsewhere and the site only felt like a vanity thing.
I think learning to draw/paint traditionally first is worth it even if it makes the switch to digital harder later. It’s not as easy to fix your mistakes so it forces you to think more about what you’re doing. Ink is most brutal of all but useful for improving, and sometimes I’ll sketch in ink only because when I draw with pencil I’ll waste time fixing stupid little details instead of moving on or starting over. However, I do like digital because I don’t have to bother dealing with getting ink or graphite smudged on my hands, or having to clean up paint. And yeah, being able to undo or move stuff around is nice.>>1055600
Because gender shit is everywhere in online art communities, so artists’ reputations can be affected by it, and they can face harassment. I don’t blame people for being careful.
I think it comes in handy for artists who don't show their faces. Some only use drawn pfps and if you're looking for an artist who takes commissions, knowing how to address them might be good instead of using their name instead for every pronoun used in a sentence. The other side is them referring to you as they/them instead because they won't know what to call you when typing replies and that seems like something that would set a lot of you off even more.
Makes sense imo. Especially because online I think it's safer to use drawn pfp and never post yourself. Some people have penguins as a personification of the artist. Things like that are hard to guage gender.
you aren't wrong in that you get people who seriously try to kill someone's reputation over pronoun discourse, but on the other end, I can see how they're useful just so people know what to call them no different than putting an age.
acting like people who do it are inherently obnoxious twitterfags is just as cringe as twitterfags who call someone out over it. And every time it is brought up it is generally the same answer of "do what you want" vs "don't appease trannies" vs "it's not that bad" and the so-called discussion always ends the same way.
gender specialness (along with, literally every other fucked thing) is prevalent online because it gives people some measure of power they lack in real life. This season it's just gender specialness but last season it was self dxing with autism or bpd. it'll eventually change to some other thing. outside of genderspheres most people are actually just like, normal.
This tbh. She/her in profile because it annoyed me that people kept defaulting to anything BUT female pronouns.>>1056554
Try to push yourself to do half of your work as studies and the other half as stuff from your imagination. It will probably suck at first because you're out of practice, but remember that your fundamentals sucked at first too. Drawing from imagination is a skill, and like any skill it can be trained and it can get rusty if it's not practiced enough, so it's better to get in the habit of practicing it alongside more formal studies so that it doesn't stagnate. The more skills you practice in tandem, the better they'll mesh in your work as well.
No, I’m not gonna add more credibility to this dumb trend. I don’t care what people call me. Was thinking of putting a small f
there because I like to support female artists and know others do as well but I feel more comfortable with nothing added towards me as person when it comes to online presence. >>1055819
yeah, I’m still getting followed by quite some obvious troon/sjw accounts with xxx DNI and shit like that in their bios for some reason but it clearly doesn’t bother them that much that I don’t give a shit about pronouns. It’s a trend and many of them just want to consoom media I guess.
Calm down your femcel specialness.>>1057058
No one is following you and suddenly DMing you that you need to immediately call them whatever pronoun, are they? Pretty sure they don't care that you don't care too.
I’m a former freelance graphic designer who has friends who still work in multiple different design fields. I would say the job is creative to a certain extent but not as fun as it sounds like it could be. A lot of people are under the impression that if you are a professional artist, you just get to draw/design whatever you want all day. In reality, you’re just delivering what your client wants and adhering to their (usually very unrealistic tbh) deadlines and expectations. There will also be times when you spend a ton of time working on a design that your client approved of and they’ll still be like “we changed our mind and want something different.” (You can bill them for the extra time you spend on revisions but it’s still annoying as hell) If you do freelance, you’re also under the pressure of having to constantly look for clients yourself because you don’t have a company or agency to rely on.
still a creative career but you should be realistic about your expectations for your path as a graphic designer/illustrator instead of thinking that it’ll all just be fun and games and it’s purely creative with no other work involved.
Graphic design can be very fun and seeing the final result is really gratifying, but it's really not as "artistic" as I thought it would be when I stepped into the field. In the end you're always working for others, you have to draw/create what others want (many times you'll be working with clients that don't even know what THEY want), regardless if you like it or not. The deadlines can be pretty gruesome at times but I'd say it kind of depends on the agency you worth with (advertisement agencies tend to be brutal in this aspect from my and my friends' experience). I haven't worked as a freelancer so I can't comment much on it.
In my personal opinion, I think it's a bit of a mistake to look at graphic design and most design careers as "creative" or "artistic". Not because they aren't- but mostly because it can fool you into expecting it to be just sitting around in a hipster studio and drawing/creating all day. Design is creating solutions for others, many times urging you to disregard your personal preferences. Back in college, many people in my class said that they only chose design as their major because "they wanted to be artists but an arts degree doesn't get you much money." Wrong! If you want to be an artist, then design is not exactly in your alley. They're different things and can lead to completely different worlds.
says, be realistic with your expectations.
If you like doing 50+ versions of one company's logo request, do it. Its a lot of meticulous work, not much expression
Lots of how it should be done sans your knowledge and experience.
I honestly don't care but I might be too much of an oldfag to care anyway. Coomers will indulge in SFW content just the same as NSFW. If they are liking your posts or RTW them, I would just take it. If they are interacting with my posts, or me, disgustingly,I willblock them, but most people do enjoy their NSFW and SFW at the same time. Its called appreciation and I don't mind it personally. I could not have any follow me, but some might use my work as porn for some reason or just like the art itself without nefarious reasons.
It just comes down to if you aren't taking their interactions as bad just because you cal tell they are coomers. From my experience, lolicons/shotacon coomers almost always like the cute aestetic in art as is too without pedo or gross intentions the same way a lot of women like gore to juxtapose their kawaii interests or their versions of what is NSFW. Sometimes I feel people read far into likes without taking is "Maybe they just like the art objectively" or maybe they like the fandom, art comp, liking it for reference of style too.
i honestly don't care. as long as they aren't being weirdos or sending creepy DMs I just leave them be, especially considering non-coomers can be just as fucking weird or obnoxious. A majority of people enjoy NSFW and SFW at the same time and I don't get this mentality you're either a degenerate coomer or pure SFW virgin. It's a madonna-whore complex but for art and anons here take that shit too seriously
Just cause you don't "pander" to them doesn't mean that they can't just aesthetically like the art you make for one reason or another. Like I enjoy WLOP and BBCChan for different reasons and there isn't anything weird or nefarious going on.>>1057375
This. If you take the interactions as bad then no shit you're going to just get bad intentions or feel gross even if all they do is just like and RT your stuff. Though a lot of bad and gross shit gets talked about here, the reality is that a majority of people are actually just normal and like different aesthetics for different reasons and just respectfully like, RT and comment as opposed to trying to slide into DMs and if a coomer likes a picture you drew and your immediate thought is "Gross wtf why are they jacking off to this?" or something similar that is a you problem.
i put she/her in my bio because i want people to know they're following a woman. even then, i have strangers default to they/them because they didn't bother to read my bio. it's not a big deal
i like that pronouns in your bio is a thing, it is very easy to avoid genderspecials now lol
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Saw this on twitter and ofc they're complaining about how a buzzly mod is encouraging people to block content they don't like instead of encouraging it to be banned completely. Lol ffs, if that bothers them so much why do they hang out in coom degenerate central?
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Hate what woketard crybullies do: whine about something not being the way you like and when it's fixed you still brag about how you don't forgive them kek
They say this while on the same platform that nazis/degen coomers thrive on.
But no. A brand new art site with a small moderation team, yeah, THAT'S who we should be destroying and going after. One of the few platforms for artists.
Ever since the woketards got deplatformed off Tumblr it's been a nonstop bitchfest from them, I swear to god it doesn't matter where they go, they try to shit up everything they touch.
If they expect people to be mind readers and immediately do stuff based on what they would do, what's the point of listening to them at all again?
Yet another site ruined by antis
I'll never get over how melodramatic people here are while at the same time complaining about everyone else's melodrama.
And the hysteria about twitter here is so overblown. yeah you do have flash mob bullying campaigns from time to time but a lot of the controversies mentioned here are from people who decided to treat a public platform like their diary. Don't openly share every thought and feeling you have with strangers if you want to be a public-facing artist
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>favorite a well-rendered piece of art
>"Let's check out the rest of their works!"
>It's all generic Genshit stuff
Please, make it stop. It's not even a case of "popular = bad" the designs are just so lackluster imo and artists end up doing uninspired generically pretty art that feels so soulless.
are great answers to your question. The sites themselves and their creators aren't the problem, it's the user-base. Really, think about what you hate most about DeviantART and list how many of those issues are actually related to the construction of the website vs problems created by other users on the site. A large chunk of the online art community is just shit.
Artstation avoids this because it's user base is filled mostly with industry professionals and people looking to become an industry professional. The minute you have a site dedicated to user interaction, things go down hill like >>1058490
I have yet to see a site be as successful as Twiiter, aside from fur affinity. Also there are cum brain losers who still seek out degenerate commissions on sites like Artstation. You can't avoid them. Like I said, most drama is about the company you keep and allow. I'm on the NSFW Twitter side and I've only ever gotten 2 gross messages about my art in a year. Hate it, but a lot of coomers are respectful of the art. Anons mentioned it here too. >>1057420
why the fuck are artists such fucking pussies when it comes to content they don't like?
Okay incest ruined your life, literally just don't look at incest ships. WHy does the website have to ban things you don't like because you are too much of a child to curate your own content? Why do people need to handhold and make sure that you don't see things that are potentially upsetting?
Buzzly devs and mods should have had the backbone to say "Curate your own content." but virtue signalers who need a "safe space" believe that any and all content is specifically meant for them and if it isn't then it needs to be banned and removed. People are blaming "proshippers" for the mods being afraid to ban it, but they only cave because people kicked up a stink about content they didn't like being allowed on the website and were too afraid of risking the audiance of the website as opposed to just having a backbone.>>1058886
This is why I primarily follow NSFW artists and stick to my NSFW feed. Even though I follow hundreds of artists on my SFW Twitter and NSFW one, my NSFW feed has significantly less drama despite using block/mute similarly on both accounts. Somehow many NSFW artists manage to be more professional and easy-going than SFW artists even if their art is mid-tier at best.
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captain howdy got called out for… having one of their characters say the n-word? …10 years ago? …being 30 years old? i've never seen a callout post more pathetic than this, the 12-year-olds on twitter love it.
maybe generic if you havent seen the film or are unable to relate as a depressed white girl from burgerland but some folks have culture or personal life experiences they can relate to animated media, and compared to the forgettable trash that was Raya or Soul, the last 2 animated Disney films, what other nominated animated movie from this year do you think should've won the title?
"fast paced" and "boring" directly contradict eachother? which one is it? is it made for kids and too fast paced or is it boring and generic?
"plastic dolls" is the entire look of the current modern animated disney era so I don't think that is a criticism towards this specific film given it just stylistically fits in with the animation style they've been using since Frozen
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Looking like this should be a crime.
I wouldnt bother trying to justify or explain how the movie is good cause nonnas just pull terms from thin air or posters and couldn't make an objective critique to save their lives.
There is a conversation to be had about animation being seen as a children's media, but it doesn't mean Encanto was some generic movie. I haven't seen it, but most people who are not terminally online or hypercritical of movies tend to think it was a pretty good movie that went into some toxic
aspects of latino families.
in what way did the Encanto characters look like plastic dolls? they seemed to be animated with a full range of emotions.
also appreciated how there wasn't a dead mom/grandma and no one turned into an animal, which seems to be a trend in disney movies. Encanto is definitely on the high end of their releases
NTA but I just had this same conversation with a friend. Everything has such safe "cute" proportions and smooth plasticy skin, like a doll.
I think they could get away with it if they were willing to make character rigs with more diverse shape design like pixar does. At the moment everyone is an uncanny plastic person.
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>>1060598>in what way do they look like plastic dolls
Its not just encanto, its all of the recent disney movies. I think brave was the last good 3d movie disney has been associated with for its rich range of character design and color schemes that were fairly mature with enough pops of color to keep young audiences engaged the main character didnt have fake falsies and huge bug eyes everything else after is too ugly
I agree 100% about newer Disney movies having shit character models.
I think every studio who does CGI animated films tries waaaaaay too hard to apply realism on their characters' faces (and other things like cloth textures and hair, while making the characters' bodies and skin unrealistic on purpose). It's super uncanny seeing those ultra realistic traits and cartoony traits at the same time, like that stupid ass eye shape with the unnaturally prominent sclera that aren't realistic in any way but the iris and (on women) eyelashes always super fucking detailed for some reason. It makes me cringe, as well as the dumb exaggerated faces the characters make. If it were 2D this style would definitely work, but not in 3D, it's too close to reality but not enough to be convincing, so it ends up being cringeworthy. It's like this style is trapped in a limbo between cartoon and realism, it's a random mix of both.
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>>1060920> Even in the musical scenes the characters do these really weird expressions
Don’t get me started on those fucking kids at the beginning of encanto
Pure. nightmare. fuel.
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Disney started doing this shit with Tangled, maybe even before that. They've ditched the Nine Old Men style in favor of plastic, gummy, tumblr-esque feminized faces. Go watch an old Disney movie, you'll see how radically different their styles are. Also doesn't help that Disney now hates America and white people, and is openly pro-China.(Racebait)
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How dare you insult this emotionless render-farm piece of art
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NICE but soulless
This is just the Era Disney is saying "all that 2d work is dated let's just take the storyboards and regurgitate them into 3d" cheaper to hire and train for 3d than 2d. And the franchise it built on nostalgia and 'family', why make anything new? >>1061040
I liked the draw a suit and make a villain challenge. Those were fun. Ones that aren't 'draw this in your style' obvious pleas to get free art of someone else's character. Things like those and fanart based ones are boring.
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AYRT (the 101 Dalmatians anon), HARD AGREE. The Lion King is one of my favorite movies of all time. I fucking adore it. That movie was like… all the stars were aligned the day this movie was conceived and created. The art was phenomenal, the writing was great, the songs were FANTASTIC… I could go on and on about it. But it was a zenith of animation and art that Disney will never reach again.
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>>1061019>Also doesn't help that Disney now hates America and white people, and is openly pro-China.
fuck off and kill yourself scrote you ruined the vibe
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>>1060804>the main character didnt have fake falsies and huge bug eyes
this is the modern look for disney girls, it didn't start with 3D. they just translated this style into 3D, i guess if you hate the modern disney style to begin with you wouldn't like it in 3D either
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I agree with you and I came to the conclusion that it’s sort of impossible to draw unconventionally looking people without people saying your anatomy is fucked up or that “ewww why are you drawing hideous/creepy cool things?? you’re not allowed it still always has to be beautiful no matter what even if it’s a horror art piece!” that thought is so fucking annoying and I see it all the time in the bad art thread. It might’ve art you may not politically agree with but what is wrong with the people in their art being ugly? Doesn’t it get boring drawing either the same renaissance white people or same-facey instagram models like samdoesarts does? Gets boring. Pretty people are hardly that common, most people are average looking including myself
You're acting like Crudelia De Vil wasn't a fucking iconic villain. I agree though that main female characters always have to be pretty and dainty.>>1061468
God I haTe this type of stilyzed face so much. Huge eyes and that shitty tiny upturned nose that's always red.
There's nothing wrong with drawing "ugly" things and tbh boring is relative. If everyone drew average-looking people, it would be considered boring. If everyone drew ugly people, it would be considered boring.
simply put, some people just like to draw pretty girls like samdoesart and rossdraws. It's just what they enjoy
doing so to them, it doesn't get boring. If you enjoy it, then the chances of it getting boring are slim as opposed to if you dislike it.>>1061581
I don't get how it is tasteless to use his rendering skills on… stuff he enjoys doing? There is some stuff he does that has some semblance of storytelling like the left on the 4th row, the middle on the 4th row, middle on the 3rd row, etc.
either way I don't get the logic of "wasting" skills by doing something "boring" or "tasteless" instead of something "interesting" because all of those things are relative to the artist and viewer. The only way you can waste a skill is to either not do anything with it or to do things you hate with it.
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I'm taking a studio figure drawing class where I've been getting away with pencil but it's clear that charcoal is the ideal medium and is being strongly suggested to me. Specifically the compressed sticks (opposed to charcoal pencils). I really have a 'tism about the texture and mess of charcoal. I love how it looks but I hate how it gets on everything it touches, especially your hands. My professors hands are all black by the end of the class and it freaks me out, I see myself strongly disliking the feeling. Is there anyway to lower the mess factor? Also for people who use charcoal, where do you store it? Does it get on your clothes?
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Fuck off if you think I'm a scrote. I grew up in LA surrounded by people who worked in animation, I know damn well what's happening in the industry. You want to stay ignorant? Fine. But shut the fuck up if someone else doesn't want to.
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kek yueko thinks she doesn't deserve to get shit for selling low effort tweets or her friend's character as nfts so she runs to a hugbox alt account. i know its common for nft artists to have nft-only alts but at that point why not just turn off replies if she's going to be so cowardly anyway. https://twitter.com/nyueft
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Didn’t she already sell this piece as a NFT and donate the profits from the sale to that exact same foundation? Why is it up for auction again? I know the screenshot just says it was minted a long time ago but I remember her posting a donation receipt from the sale of the nft.
The irony of her saying she’s donating to a nature conservation organization when nfts are ridiculously harmful to the environment.
under the activity it shows that it just sat there this whole time and just recently sold.
Its pretty sketchy that she hasn't announced it on her main account, despite her getting backlash from her friend Io's fans there for selling her character without permission due to "a misunderstanding" when Io said she disliked NFTs. Many of her fans didn't believe Yueko was so retarded anyway so this will just confirm what they thought if she doesn't show actual proof and they find out kek.
FND's site states "NFTs minted on Foundation receive a 10% royalty in perpetuity, anytime a piece is resold. The royalty will be sent directly to the wallet that minted the NFT." so i wonder if yueko will donate those royalties as well
forgot to mention she's quietly deleted all recent traces of nft listing's on her main yueko__ account besides her her collab with killergf, her friend Zeronis' nft project. I guess people going "ew nfts" really gets under her skin kek
fuuuuuck forgot to sage as well
Not that anon but
It's boring to people who have a stronger creative and artistic inclination and expect the art world to have more experimentation, yeah.
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You sound like a fag blinded from criticizing anything because it's modern You're right that neoteny is popular for both sexes but up until relatively recently that meant having people look like older teenagers or young adults, but not outright infantile like the current influenced by kawaii subculture standard is. You're getting confused.
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So how does this signify fertility even though it looks like a little girl? Am I missing something?
>>1062661>told they're saying bullshit and still acts like they're in the right by asking for "source" like a retarded scrote
kek>only women are more neotenous than men already so the manifestations of it will fall into the different expressions of it in both genders.
a 25 year old woman doesn't look that much younger than a 25 year old man, anon. if you're exaggerating their looks why not emulate a 16 year olds' features instead of a toddler's? Again what youre saying doesnt make sense.
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How would this look like a toddler if you exaggerate the features, fuckwit?
It gets boring when you don't like it or just get tired of it.
Fortunately, most people don't. If literally the only person you followed was samdoesart, then it probably would get boring. But if you actually curate your feed to have a list of things you like that you can just pick and choose from depending on what you're in the mood for, it is significantly less boring.
As again, boring art is relative. There are plenty of people that have the same food for lunch but something different for breakfast. Or have the same food but different variations and it doesn't get "boring" for them. >>1062520
If you expect everyone's art to basically he exprtimental to not be "boring" You're going to be in for a sore surprise that not a lot of artists care to experiment. Or rather they do but it doesn't get posted to social media. Take the pretentiousness elsewhere. You are not more artistically inclined or having stronger tastes because you "value experimentation" >>1062571
Just say you don't like the art and go. You don't have to find reasons for or justify it because no matter how an artist draws pretty girls, people like you always go for "they aren't pretty they look 12" even though ages in art are subjective unless you're going do realism. If anything the girls strike me for being in their early to mid twenties. The pedo implication just makes you look cringe. >>1062607
"average people are relatable and cozy" except when artists draw relatable or cozy stuff they still manage the get shat on because "its boring" or it manages to get called sexualized and fetishistic.
Anyways back on the topic of Sam, even though he does draw pretty girls his background and composition skills are what keeps his art interesting. Scrolling through his feed, it's hardly the same image or compositions over and over again.
And he does tell stories with his art, average stories that an average person would be doing. Pretty girls are just the subject matter. Study sessions, school, going on vacation, sitting at a campfire eating marshmallows, etc. They are not very "great" stories, but theyre simplistic and for lack of better words, what an average person would do.
There is no way to really escape getting your art called boring. No matter the artist that gets brought up, there are nonnas who think they can objectively criticize art and use the same pretentious buzzwords over and over again. Most artists have a subject matter they enjoy, whether it is pretty girls, landscapes, pinups or anything else. Valuing "expertimentation" and "being more artistically inclined" are subjective values and trying to treat them like they are objective measures of criticism makes you sound like a washed up high school art teacher or a snobby pretentious art fag that buys a black square for millions because its "so experimental"
I'm not the same anon, you autismo>>1062679
My god shut the fuck up already with your thought policing, you sound triggered
as fuck you can like him and his mediocre art no need to take it to heart
Nigga what crack are you smoking?
Big eyes and "toddler faces" are not populase people are trying to pedo bait. It's because large eyes are considered cute. Kawaii culture took off at least 30 years ago as a counter culture to the idea that women could not be "cute" and still considered women.
When it comes to animation, large eyes took off because it is considered expressive and cute. With "eyes being the windows to the soul" and animation being a visual medium, there is a lot of emotion than be read through a characters eyes and facial expressions. Even old cartoons like the 50s and 60s like loony toons or an old black and white anime like Astro Boy had "large eyes".
Put down the crack pipe. Stylized art tends to exaggerate features. Large eyes are exaggerated in the same way that cheek bones or facial structure may be. >>1062676
I just used Sam because he was the one mentioned. But the idea that someone's art is boring is applied to almost every artist that gets posted here unless they are considered niche. It practically doesn't matter whose art it is unless the person is niche or unheard of.
Funny how anons will argue and ignore shit about an artist just to call them "mid tier" and imply their art is somehow not pretty by some objective measure they pulled out of their ass but someone offer thoughtfulness pointing out the flawed logic of the faux-pretentiousness is "triggered
Especially considering ive been around the threads since they were still in single digits and see the same shit pop up over and over again where anons pretend like they're art goods or have some sort of high standard for art when in reality they are no more special or different than the average consoomer.
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Man, every time I criticize these generic ass IG artists you dumb fucks get a retarded image that i have to like only highest avant garde shit because I don't like the typical social media Western artist who is way too influenced by Pixar and Disney for my taste. Pic related is something I like and its also a cartoon
Samefag, but if someone offers you a counterargument like >>1062673
, you're supposed to reply with something better not whack shit like >>1062676
, you gave no arguments and then pretended you were the smartest anon itt
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>muh hubris of creating outlandish out of this world characters that no one can relate to vs making characters you can learn from and look up to and feel comfy seeing
Picrel is you both. Calm down testicular-rage chan
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You'd have to be pretty blind to not think ig pretty girl art doesn't even have more exaggerated neoteny than the already high neoteny of other artstyles. Your eye for art must be pretty shit if you think it's the exact same level
There's also different ways to be beautiful, as in genuinely beautiful not "unconventionally attractive" way than the same rehashed looks ig artists like samdoesart does but yet you dumb fucks who defend the genericness never give in to that possibility.
My reply wasn't aggressive or "testicular" at all, i was just disagreeing with you, what is your problem? >>1062709
Anon your tastes are generic as fuck. They're just pixiv and anime generic as opposed to IG and western generic. I would know considering a majority of art I prefer is from pixiv.
If you don't like people criticizing your opinion just either say you aren't a fan of their art or get thicker skin. It's pathetic irony to criticize someone for having "forgettable and generic art" while liking "forgettable and generic art". You don't have to pull out all the breaks and pretentiousness or pretend there is nothing good or successful about their art because you personally don't like it.
I don't like Junji Ito's art by I don't dumb it down to "generic body horror anime" or try to pretend his fans are exclusively low tier body horror fans just to get a W or criticize it. >>1062713
I never said this was about learning how to draw different people. It never was about drawing different people nor was it an argument I ever made. I said it's pretentious to pretend that art is "boring" if it features subject matter you don't like and treat it as an objective fact as if you are above the average consoomer or needs to be "experimental" to be considered good.
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KEK muh glorious anime weeb Twitter art dunks on the SJWs all da time dude my favorite squidgames ppl dunk on the hideous western art all the time!!! People who shit on western art (as they should be doing) always like anime when anime isn’t the only Japanese art form.
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That's just one example of art I like, dumbass. This is what happens when you keep trying to create a narrative of the person you disagree with since you get upset at different opinions.
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I mean I like plenty of historical art. Why do you niggas in this thread keep projecting lol
Oh, so you
can ~enjoy yourself~ but everyone else has to follow your standards? pff
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Kekkk please anon it’s every. single. time. Back to /ic/ you go weeb
I don't know but these fuckers ruin the art salt threads every time they show up>someone criticizes a big artist for having generic art>their fans/simps show up and spaz out while pulling out every argument in the book including but not limited to calling people pretentious for having different taste>they derail the thread for posts because they're that triggered over their favorite artist being called generic
Why are they even allowed to continually shit up a thread meant for bitching and being salty as fuck about art in an anonymous imageboard?
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Exactly! Glad you understand what I’m saying through your sperg “values” fed to you by 4channel trolls. What’s next you think art is getting too political? Kek
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Why the fuck can't you faggots who like this artstyle understand that some people don't find it attractive or beautiful and that other generic cartoon styles might be beautiful to them?
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You know what, fuck you. Just for that im gonna keep shitting on this ig artist since all you faggots who come out to defend these fucks just make me hate this art even more kek
An anon practically broke out a crackhead reason for why big eyes in art bad
Also, before the threads began to have short titles, "and discussion" used to be part of it. The posts I made are part of… A discussion. How dare people not be ruthlessly angry and salty. If you read them as angry rather than neutral toned because they criticized someone's criticisms of an artist, that's on you. >>1062745
Honestly I'm not even a fan of samdoesart. Like anime bisho anon, I actually prefer stuff from pixiv and more anime based art. I just think that criticisms of his art are based in pretentious when people act like it is boring while having just differently boring tastes.
Anons gotta put the "and discussion" back in the threads because some of you anons think anything that isn't salt is anger. Ironic how the threat is supposed to be for salt but you can't handle salt over your opinion.
>this thread is for salt!>Gets salty over over people being salty about their opinions >Why are you shitting up the thread and not letting me be salty!!
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Why is that you can criticize any art in this thread but as soon as you dislike "ig artist draws generic pretty girls" anons come out of the woodwork accusing you of hating on attractiveness?
It was never about the different faces actually read what I called pretentious instead of what I didn't.
If it's tldr fine but wanting different faces or more diverse art isn't what I called pretentious. It was calling someone's art "boring and generic" while liking boring and generic art or thinking it is a "waste" of talent to not cater to some anons taste about what is "good art" while ignoring fundamental parts of art someone is good at or acting like art is objectively bad just because they don't like it while acting better than the other average consoomer or having to come up with a crackhead theory on calling characters 12 because they have big eyes.
>>1062762>If you read them as angry rather than neutral toned because they criticized someone's criticisms of an artist, that's on you.
All these sound really angry, not neutral:>Take the pretentiousness elsewhere. You are not more artistically inclined or having stronger tastes because you "value experimentation" >Just say you don't like the art and go>trying to treat them like they are objective measures of criticism makes you sound like a washed up high school art teacher or a snobby pretentious art fag that buys a black square for millions because its "so experimental">Nigga what crack are you smoking? Put down the crack pipe. >Funny how anons will argue and ignore shit about an artist just to call them "mid tier" and imply their art is somehow not pretty by some objective measure they pulled out of their ass but someone offer thoughtfulness pointing out the flawed logic of the faux-pretentiousness is "triggered".
The weird thing is that no one said their opinions were objective, they just stated what they thought plainly. It'd be lame to have to put "I think" and "I feel" just to avoid hurting someone's feelings on an anonymous imageboard. What do you want, exactly? Anons to like what you like? What are you contributing to the discussion? You're arguing over opinions and calling people crackheads for…finding something boring. I just don't understand what you're so upset about, I don't care about the artist but the thread is "Art
Salt", not "Anonymous people's opinions about art
Salt". Maybe you just need a blog lol
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Anon this is samdoesarts. This puny little scrote would never want to draw women of actual substance, he just draws east asian models he finds on IG that all look the same. He tried and failed to draw a black person and it just ends up looking like the rest of his art. He kind of reminds me of a refined ergojosh, their sexuality has managed to be subtlety interwoven into their pieces
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-I- am? No, I'm posting what's circulating around Disney. But nice try.>>1062795
Picrel. Go back to leftypol, they seem more your speed.
At least Put them in the context I was replying to them in.
I'm not and never was expecting people to like what I like. But if that's all you got out of it then hey can't nothing be done about it.
I called the anon a crackhead not because they found his art boring, but because they said the girls look 12 because they have big eyes and implied some other pedo shit. That is what I called crackhead. That is also what "just say you don't like the art and go" was in reference to as well, just say you don't like the art you don't have to reach for pedophilia. And along with the whole "toddler face" thing. If you don't consider it crackhead that's fine but it wasn't in reference to Samdoesart.
>what contributions have you made, you're just arguing with people
Just like they expressed their own opinion, I expressed mine. It's ironic you imply I want everyone to have my opinion while basically saying my opinions are non contributions just because you don't like them.
They said their opinions, I said mine. Saying the thread is just for art salt and not "opinions about art salt" just makes you sound like you hate hearing anything other than salt and how dare people not be angry at generic Instagram artist #528 for daring to have inoffensive and forgettable art.
Arguing and sharing opinions are what anons do in the thread. My insults were honestly lukewarm at best and if it honestly comes off as anger you don't lurk the threads enough. I said the whole washed up art teacher in reference to people saying it is boring to people who are "more artistically inclined" as well as the whole experimentation in art and that the pretentiousness comes from when people– not just find a particular artist boring– but when they act like they have "much better tastes" or ignore certain aspects of someone's art just to call it boring because it has a certain subject matter or thinking that it is "a waste" to not draw what random anon 214 thinks is good art.
Like the anon who posted examples of art they like by starting with not one, but two artistically generic examples whole calling Sam's art bland as if their own art tastes weren't just differently bland.
>don't think be mad and take things out of context to call someone mad
Context anon context. >>1062704
I said this was as generic as this. >>1062767
just because they dropped a historical piece at the end doesn't mean the first two examples were not generic. Assuming it's the same anon at least. >>1062830
The thing I think is had for the thread is when people use the "its for salt" to just down a thing they consider "defending" even if all you're doing is sharing your opinion or pointing out flawed logic and I think it's because for whatever reason the "and discussion" got removed so now you get anons who think any kind of discussion is derailing when it doesn't suit their level of saltiness. >>1062833
On that specific one they might have a point but saying a character looks 12 because big eyes, that cute/kawaii is "toddler face" is still crackhead in my opinion. I actually pointed out why large eyes and cutesy things have become more popular but anons ignored that in favor of just focusing on my "defending" of Sam because it was easy to ignore context and be mad. >>1062834
In all honesty, I don't think I have artistic inclination. I was pretty open with the fact that I like generic pixiv and anime stuff over what Sam does. I just think it is pretentious to act like this art is boring and generic while liking something that is just differently boring and generic.
also people replying to the retarded scrote need to stop validating his defective chromosome tantrum
Samefag because it got missed but you say that like the anons here don't do that same lifeless arguing. I never backpedaled, I just put things in context.
Just bring up an artist being a tranny, the endless gender and pronouns debate, or something else and watch anons try to tear the skin off of one another. Same shit different topic.
No one cares faggot, corporations do what brings them money. They don't "hate muh poor white ppl" just because they follow fake woke liberal policies to fill a quota like everyone else in the country, or because they're making movies that aren't centered around white people for once to attract other demographics. Nothing you posted suggests that they literally want to genocide you or that they give a single fuck about racial minorities, it's just fake "this is a very important issue guys!" bullshit.>Go back to leftypol, they seem more your speed.
How ironic. It would be great if you went back to /pol/ to whine about "white genocide" some more, scrote. And try not to shit up other boards like along the way like you always do.
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Pretty girls and interesting art are not antonyms of each other. Those girls that guy draws aren't even pretty, the mix between realism and anime proportions looks uncanny. His art is basically just copying photos, it's very boring.
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twitter users are currently trying to get this girl kicked out of university over this tweet lol
Lemme ask you, why are you so obsessed with race and "muh white genocide"? Do you have so much brain damage that you are unable to understand that corporations do what will bring them the most money and this isn't some conspiracy to kill all white men?>>1063164
No American man deserves respect tbh
Ever heard of the farm attacks in South Africa that have been hapening since the nineties? Go anywhere that the typical western sphere (aka out of Twitter's ''we give a shit'' range for all kinds of things).
Now, let's get back to art already. Does anyone think there's a chance there will be a Clip Studio Paint sale for something like Valentine's Day? I've been eyeing that program for a while so I'm crossing my fingers
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Not salt or anything but
>person interacts with my art
>"sweet! I wonder what kind of account they're running"
>check out their account
>'terfs dni' in bio
>mfw this absolute fool just interacted with a terf
Kek, same anon. My followers have no idea I'm a terf
ILLUSTRATOR SUCKS HORSE DICK
Photoshop is the Chad off all software
And you too can be a chad by pirating it
It’s what adobe would want you to do
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When pic crew had an option to disable foreign made ones, that told me everything I needed to know kek