File: 1469936986879.jpg (144.8 KB, 918x571, Blatt_Immigrant_1.jpg.CROP.ori…)
No. 105361
>>105342How in the actual fuck is Canada losing to Bhutan in ND? And why so Burmese, Indiana?
I'm honestly just glad to get in here before /pol/ kills this thread as dead as Good Friday.
Unpopular opinion time:
>White boys can't pick fruit as efficiently as a mexican dude with 18 years of experience. If he's not shitting the place up, give him his goddamn citizenship.
>The iraqis that translated for us were loyal and brave, some have found a home in Dearborn. I unironically love Kurds.
>Any state in OP's pic designated "Phillipines" should be relabeled "Mexico." Pinays are island-hopping mexicans.
>Jus Soli has been in the Constitution forever. Don't like it? Pass an amendment bitches. Lol oh wait you don't have the political clout to get that done ;_; No. 105387
>>105361
>create situation where people work 4$ an hour>WE NEED TO LEGALIZE THIS, IT'S THE ONLY HUMANE WAYIt'd be humane to not make all this shit happen in the first place just so big business can crack down on wages and leftist hypocrites can create another "downtrodden" client group…
Here's my unpopular opinion: USA died standing. It's not even a civic nation now, just an oligarchy ruling over separate, conflicted groups, looking to exploit each for political power however it can and this state was spearheaded by leftist academics, who in essence hate liberal civic society, because they're totalitarian communitarians with mouths full of freedom, no different than early bolsheviks. There is no bright future for such a country.
No. 105391
>>105361Kurds are a media propaganda meme. Most of the primitive shit like honor killings that happen in Turkey happen as a result of them. But hey you watched a couple of news reports about women in the PKK so I guess you know more than the rest of us.
"White boys"? What are you? Some kind of white woman who fucks black men exclusively and didn't grow up with a dad?
Ius Soli never applied to illegals. Look it up.
>>105387Excellent post. The US identity is nothing more than a nominal document now. No way a country like that can stand up against a hyper ethnocentric country with a strong sense of racial nationalism like China. Hell. Look at how many Chinese Americans spy for the PRC in the first place. Blood trumps a passport any day.
No. 105397
>>105396Neither honestly, it's ridiculous that they don't see that people view them as just stupid and annoying though. No matter how much people point that out to them, they just slot you into this whole "You're an SJW so I don't have to listen to you, you're just
triggered" and then just keep at it as if they're spreading some global truth we all need to know that the media is trying to hide from us. It's just crazy.
No. 105398
>>105394If nobody cares why the fuck did you make this thread you fucking idiot?
>>105396>such garbageWhat exactly do you disagree with, Islamophile-chan?
>>105397I don't view you as an "SJW". I don't even agree with the term as it depoliticizes their pathology and turns them into "just another group of kooks".
They and you are left-liberals.
No. 105399
>>105392>not any sort of interesting discussionkek'ed.
"Interesting discussion" tends to mean "an echo chamber for my views". Akin to the standard Salon/HuffPo "we need to have a conversation about X" headlines ("me and people who agree with me need to have a conversation about X").
This isn't tumblr. Believe it or not those of us who have the misfortune to spend a lot of time on the continent, who have to deal with the endemic criminality of Paris or the shithole that is Brussels Central Station, are the ones who have to live with the permissiveness of European immigration policy over the past 40-50 years, and we have very good reasons for disagreeing with your whole "put my fingers in my ears and pretend it's all fine you horrible wicked islamophobes!" approach.
As I'm sure Americans who dislike the past 40 years of permissive immigration policy also agree with.
No. 105400
>>105398Kek, it's not even a different /pol/ poster in the US one, it's the exact same person as in the Europe one.
Anon, no-one cares about you trying to shove your /pol/ shit everywhere. You're not "red-pilling" anyone, and just come across as annoying and obnoxious, to the point that 4chan. Shoo.
>>105399And of course, within two posts of me saying that people tend to always go "You just don't want /pol/ posters here because our opinions scare you, you tumblr leftist boogiemen!", one shows up. Thanks anon.
But no, by interesting discussion I mean being able to talk about things in a rational balanced way without being insulted every single post by someone that's just more interested in being inflammatory and hostile towards anyone that possibly disagrees with them. Which is impossible with every /pol/ poster I've seen.
No. 105403
>>105400>Anon, no-one cares about you trying to shove your /pol/ shit everywhere.I didn't make this thread. Nor am I several of the posts ITT arguing against mass immigration. If there's a thread that is relevant to politics, then I'm going to post about politics in it, I'm not sure why this enrages you so much.
>I mean being able to talk about things in a rational balanced wayWe'll reserve that for people who don't use newspeak-tier arguments like "Islamophobia" thanks. If you have to resort to that sort of shit, you've obviously got nothing pertinent to say in the first place.
No. 105407
>>105403>If there's a thread that is relevant to politics, then I'm going to post about politics in it, I'm not sure why this enrages you so much. I don't see why you seem incapable of understanding that it's not your opinions that annoy people.
>We'll reserve that for people who don't use newspeak-tier arguments like "Islamophobia" thanks.Because "islamophile" is any better? And I never even said that word, what are you talking about?
And you've been posting in these immigration threads for a day now, replying quickly to anyone that responded to you. Go do something, or at least get some sleep.
No. 105410
>>105407>I don't see why you seem incapable of understanding that it's not your opinions that annoy people.>peopleOnly you're "annoyed" here. Most of lolcow opposes mass immigration, don't try and insinuate everyone else is on your side.
>Because "islamophile" is any better?Yes, Islamophile refers to a real thing (white metropolitan liberals reflexively defending something because they perceive it as non-white, under attack by whites and thus deserving of victim status and adulation). See: Bettany Hughes' documentaries, or Ken Livingstone's friendship with Yusuf al Qaradawi and so on.
No. 105414
>>105410>Only you're "annoyed" here. Most of lolcow opposes mass immigration, don't try and insinuate everyone else is on your side. I'm not? I'm outright saying your politics aren't the issue. Why are you incapable of getting this?
>Yes, Islamophile refers to a real thingAs does islamophobe. Or are you denying that it's impossible for people to have an irrational hatred or fear of islamic people?
No. 105417
>>105398>What exactly do you disagree with, Islamophile-chan?I'm just done with the weak attempts from /pol/ to try to stir shit up. I honestly can't tell if we just have one extremely dedicated shitposter, or several small ones, because /pol/ and /r9k/ have such similar talking points and a weird condescending tone to their posts.
It is obvious that you guys aren't even here for discussion. You just try to shoehorn "dae hate blacks/Muslims/immigrants/Asians/whatever" into every single thread. And it is obvious that you're trying to "red pill" through your arguments. And sure, some people will agree with you. But when I come to /b/ for some "random" shit it starts to get really annoying to hear the same taking points over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Sometimes I wonder if you guys think that if you just keep posting your talking points, caps of sensational articles about immigrants, and whatever, that we will suddenly "get it". But we do get it! We just don't care to talk about it in every single fucking thread.
Just move on. We know what you think about immigrants and minorities. We really do.
No. 105421
>>105415>down with immigrantsIf you're so down with your Chinese immigrants, why are they so comparatively ethnocentric? Seems like they don't really share your whole "we are the world" vibe, you know?
http://www.theprovince.com/technology/mandarin+only+edict+splits+richmond+strata+council/11608387/story.htmlhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/government-infiltrated-by-spies-csis-boss-says/article4392618/>>105414>As does islamophobe. No it doesn't. A phobia is an irrational fear. It is not irrational to fear creeping Islamism in your own country when you look at the threat demographically and see what has happened to other countries as the demographic profile of Muslims has increase throughout history.
>>105413Dramatic readings only work with non-nasally voices.
>>105417>dae hate blacks/Muslims/immigrants/Asians/whatever
>that you're trying to "red pill" through your arguments. Are you really this weak minded? Surely if you support mass immigration you can offer arguments in its defense.
>But when I come to /b/ for some "random" shit it starts to get really annoying to hear the same taking points over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.Then don't come into threads which are explicitly on political topics. It's pretty easy.
>that we will suddenly "get it"Others may do. I don't. I realize people, even myself and those on my side, make decisions emotionally and then ex post facto rationalize them. That's human nature. But if I see someone posting complete horseshit about how Europeans are "the worst" historical offenders or whatever, then I'm going to step in and set things straight.
Like a lot of people who complain about /pol/, you're ok with soft-left viewpoints being pushed ("yeah, Europeans did really terrible things" etc), but you flip out reflexively if anyone attacks these talking points, which are far more tired and worn out than anything I'm bringing up.
>move onSo what exactly do you want threads that explicitly talk about immigration to be like? Just uniform agreement with the status quo and a few minor gripes?
No. 105426
>>105421>No it doesn't.Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise I was speaking to the High Arbiter of the English Language.
Try to get this through your head anon. People aren't annoyed with you because your opinions are somehow shocking. They're not. Most people are that completely open immigration isn't smart, especially most here. People are annoyed with you because you in particular are being fucking annoying, this isn't /pol/, and you're treating it like it is.
No. 105433
>>105426>I didn't realise I was speaking to the High Arbiter of the English Language.Islamophobe is a way to shut down debate, Islamophile isn't. One is a false premise and describes something that doesn't exist, a caricature, the other describes a state of mind common to metropolitan liberals. It really is that simple.
>>105428Chinese are the bulk of your net inflows.
Isn't it funny how your head moron Trudeau was basically elected on a manifesto of social media talking point bullshit issues? The guy is even more neo-liberal economically than Harper was.
It almost defies belief, but we really have reached the point where a completely mediocre man can be elected to high office on the basis of things like making sure the mentally ill can use their bathroom of choice.
>>105431I didn't make this thread. Get that through your thick skull.
No. 105435
>>105433>Islamophobe is a way to shut down debate, Islamophile isn't. You're using Islamophile to create a pre-existing opinion of who the person must be. It's used in the exact same way you're saying people use islamophobe. Don't be a hypocrite.
>One is a false premise and describes something that doesn't exist, a caricature, the other describes a state of mind common to metropolitan liberals. It really is that simple.
>This exists because I say it does but this doesn't also because I say soNice.
No. 105438
>>105433>Chinese are the bulk of your net inflows.Okay? Doesn't mean that I have to justify their existence in Canada.
Ps it sounds like you have a cruah on Trudeau.
No. 105442
>>105438>Ps it sounds like you have a cruah on Trudeau.lmao epic meem sis! It's great that politics has been reduced to the point of a former lifeguard who basically does as his handlers tell him economically and occasionally throws some crumbs to the left-liberal hoi polloi in terms of tranny "rights".
That's the kind of politics that makes nations strong.
>>105435>You're using Islamophile to create a pre-existing opinion of who the person must be.No. There happens to be a correlation with other SWPL traits but Islamophilia is more of a state of mind. Why do you think the vast majority of even educated people in the west believe that "Arabs kickstarted the Renaissance" and "preserved all the Greek texts" despite these assertions being completely ahistorical?
How do bold-faced lies become commonly understood truisms?
No. 105448
>>105445How can you express consternation with an opinion and then claim you don't care about that opinion straight after?
I bet you're the kind of person who posts shitty sailor moon reaction pics too.
>>105446Because you fuckers voted for the clown, and plenty of you seem to be proud of it too.
No. 105453
>>105439You're right anon, Asia isn't known for being obsessed with western culture and aping us at all, are they? It's just the west. That's why people view our countries as perfect havens with no problems.
>>105442Why are you changing the topic completely away from you just arbitrarily claiming that you decide what's real or not to people who believe dumb shit?
Why do you continue to do this to yourself? What possible purpose is there to spend hours and hours in a thread and not even try to understand what the people you're talking to are saying?
We don't have an issue with your particular politics. It's not shocking, and people generally agree that completely open immigration is bad. People have an issue with your retarded "You're either perfect or absolute evil and you're either with me or part of this useless and stupid group that stands against me" attitude.
No. 105478
>>105453Even the most westernised Asians have a sense of racial pride that would make /pol/ look tame. And honestly people don't look at the west like that anymore in the far east. They see it as increasingly fractured, lawless, riven by violence and racial division etc.
It's one of the great tragedies of the creeping mediocrity of liberalism. Very few people see the West as a model to follow.
No. 105481
>>105478Sure they do anon. You're being ridiculous by claiming that other cultures don't ape the west. Or do you not notice Asian women to this day having work done to make themselves look more like us?
You're delusional if you think that the west seems fracture and lawless to the rest of the world, short of some very wealthy regions, we're by far the best place to be.
No. 105519
>>105518But why have a thread specifically for politics containment if it's not going to do that? And why have two immigration threads at all, can't we at least just keep it stuck in one thread?
I don't mean this to be rude, but I'm legitimately not getting it, is politics discussion not restricted anymore?
No. 105534
>>105481>You're delusional if you think that the west seems fracture and lawless to the rest of the worldUh. Our urban centers are comparatively pretty lawless compared to East Asian ones.
Ever been to Paris? Or Brussels? The idea of no-go-zones in Paris for most normal-clothed cops 100 years ago would have been unthinkable. We've actually been going
backwards in terms of law and order. There are plenty of non-western cities where I've felt safer than in most of Europe, and there are plenty of Eastern European cities that feel safer than most of the "enriched" Western European cities (Warsaw and Krakow for example). You don't know any better because you've probably not traveled. And this isn't even counting American shitholes like LA and Detroit and Baltimore.
Even a comparatively "safe" city like London has 10 times the murder rate of Hong Kong and just as many times the assault rate too.
>>105516Because there are real reasons why they've stopped viewing us as a model to follow: The growth of endemic terrorism, the lawlessness in the urban centers, the collapse in any sort of educational standards ("everyone's a winner!") and much, much more that would go beyond the scope of this thread.
The west is in radical and terminal decline, and the fact you are seemingly ok with millions of random sub-100 IQ, culturally alien people crossing porous borders and settling wherever the fuck they feel like is an example of this mediocrity-through-apathy on a smaller scale.
The sad thing is it never had to be like this. We could have shut the borders decades ago, we could have dealt with this aging population through a mixture of intelligent fiscal policy and temporary work visas in key areas, but now we're well past the point of any peaceful solution. Whites will become a minority in France, in Britain and later on, in Germany. We will be a minority group among pluralities who have long conditioned hatreds against us. Who are taught by our own school systems that we oppressed them (crusades, trans-atlantic slave trade) and so on. And beyond all that, the wily Chinese, who don't open their borders to the third world, will be buying up anything of value, facilitated by a treacherous government with no sense of nationhood and patriotism, stripping the country bare of any real capital.
These are the sorts of conditions under which pogroms happen. This is the future liberalism made.
That's why nobody wants to follow us down the abyss.
No. 105544
File: 1470002599153.gif (394.84 KB, 245x280, d8f7426d-6748-433e-a615-2391be…)
>>105534>Whites will become a minority in France, in Britain and later on, in Germany>the wily ChineseDude…DUDE…you have to get a grip.
You didn't really explain why it is "bad" that other countries don't see the west as a model to follow. Other than us letting in immigrants of allegedly low IQs.
Like, do you get that nobody cares? I'm going to mock whatever you say. You are so close to posting in full manifesto mode, and I don't think you realize that everyone is laughing at you.
No. 105554
>>105544It's not that they don't view the West as a model in of itself. It's why they stopped viewing it as such that's important.
Also :
>tumblr tier gifs Stop it.
No. 105555
>>105552Citizenship is more or less meaningless in the US now anyway.
The more inclusive the identity. The less meaningful it is.
No. 105559
>>105555>nowIt stopped being meaningful when people started being hyphenated-Americans, which was a long time ago. There's not much of a national identity when its citizens have to resort to clinging to their 1/16th ancestry to feel special.
Chalk it up to the New World mentality all you want but other New World countries don't behave like this, or not to the same extent. Kiwis don't cling to their Irish/Welsh heritage past mentioning it casually.
No. 105560
>>105556You can, in higher education.
But your average public school in the west can't cover everything. Their history classes focus on typically "big events" that their country was a part of, or "big" international events (I remember learning the basics of the world wars, for example. It wasn't a nuanced analysis, it was basically learning timelines, key figures, and about the alliances between countries).
I'm Canadian, so I didn't learn about the american slave trade, but I did learn about First Nations people, and Canada's history with them. That doesn't mean that I was prevented from learning about the american slave trade. I still had access to the library and the internet in high school, and I had the opportunity to study more specific aspects in history during university.
No. 105564
>>105560It's impossible to understand these things without context. The context of the transatlantic slave trade are other slave trades of the time. E.g. The Arab East African route.
If you don't give context you just end up with what you have now: a bunch of retards who unironically believe the transatlantic slave trade was this historically unique, morally singular thing which makes whites especially evil.