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No. 1449802

We always use the term NLOG but we don't really have a thread for it. Use this thread for the discussion of NLOGs, your interpretation of the term, the overlap with pickmes, and if you know any NLOGs irl/online you can talk about it here.

Some fun optional questions
>What is an NLOG?
>Can NLOGs be saved?
>Have you ever been an NLOG or been called one by men/women?
>What is the worst type of NLOG?

No. 1449811

I wish we could have this thread here but there's already NLOG general on the hidden board and because of that it's barely active

No. 1449818

>>1449811
We can just use this one here then, lolcow looks dead, the hidden board is barely used, and discussing NLOGs seems to be a general thing in /ot/ anyway

No. 1449826

>>1449802
why is this phenomenon a female only thing? imagine if moids put eachother down just to get female attention, they cant even bother to wash their asses for us

No. 1449828

>>1449826
"Male feminists" are basically that.

No. 1449836

>>What is an NLOG?
I've seen it most often as a synonym for pickme, a woman who does things that she hates, hurt her, or hurt other women to get approval from men. Bootlicker?
"Weird" women also get called that but imo they aren't, they don't fit this meaning.

>Can NLOGs be saved?

Maybe

>Have you ever been an NLOG or been called one by men/women?

No

>What is the worst type of NLOG?

Sex workers

No. 1449838

>>1449826
Because males are not brought up in the world where they're told that their worth depends on how fuckable/useful to men they are since the moment they're born.
>>1449828
That's not comparable. 'Male feminists' are predators pretending to care about female issues to get laid. Nlogs have no sense of self outside of male validation and have internalized mysoginy so they probably hate themselves and would pick a man over any woman. Male feminists still have male class solidarity and defend fellow rapist scrotes.

No. 1449839

>>1449836
??? Sex workers aren’t nlog. I always thought of nlog as hating traditionally feminine things and media mostly liked by women like, “I’m not like other girls, I like comics and video games!!”

No. 1449840

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>>1449826
>>1449828
We should also use this term for male NLOGs or Not Like Other Guys. There's a shiiiiiiiiiiiiit tone of those in the wild, maybe even more than women. I made the thread so feel free to

No. 1449841

It sounds like you’re all mostly describing pick mes, not nlog

No. 1449842

>>1449841
thats why we need this thread. Tbh there's also an overlap between them

No. 1449843

>>1449838
useful to women* in this case
>>1449841
nlogs are a flavor of pick mes tbh

No. 1449850

>>1449839
Yeah I talked about that in my post. The way I see it (recently) is nlog=pickme

No. 1449853

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>>1449839
Nlogs don't have to reject femininity as long as they claim to be different from 'other girls'. A lot sex workers have nlogs in a 'I'm not like those boring prudes' kind of way but it's mostly a cope from all the abuse they go through. Picrel is what I mean

No. 1449854

>>1449843
Wouldn't NLOGs and pickmes be two different branches? NLOGs are the ones who hate anything feminine, and think the ideal if being a teenage boy in a hot girls body. While I feel pickmes is used more for women that post shit like "you're a bad gf if you don't wash the skidmarks of his undies", and is more about being as low maintenance as possible.

No. 1449855

>>1449854
NLOG’ism and Pickme’ism is way more nuanced than that nonnie.

No. 1449856

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The term NLOG is just a way to silence and tear down women acknowledging their own reality. Some people really are not like the other girls

No. 1449862

>>1449856
Has she returned to tumblr yet? I haven’t checked in a while.

Ultimately pick mes and nlogs both want to be picked, they just go about it in different ways.

No. 1449864

>>1449854
Don't bother trying to find concrete definitions for these words. They don't work like that. We call other women names so that we can turn off our empathy and pretend we think they're doing what they're doing on purpose to make us angry.

No. 1449865

>>1449854
Nlogs act like they're nlogs because they're pickmes. They do it for male attention. There's nothing wrong with rejecting traditionally feminine things on its own and not all nlogs do that. Barely any nlogs are actually gnc, most are still feminine just in a quirky way unlike those 'sluts'. They can have long hair, wear make up and watch shoujo anime but claim they're nlogs because they're not wearing a fake tan and a mini skirt. Look at all the classic nlog comics, it's always feminine girls who are more nerdy or don't follow trends, never have I seen a butch nlog.
>>1449856
Also this. Nowadays this term is mostly used by handmaidens to shame women who don't conform, not women who try be 'cool girls' because that's essentially what nlogs should be. I've seen countless instances where a woman will mention not shaving or wearing make up and instantly getting called an nlog.
Nlogs are just a type of pick me but people always ignore that part.

No. 1449866

>>1449856
Sure but they're not gonna be the conventional, cute girls posting their faces to the internet for clout.

No. 1449870

My theory on NLOGs and pickmes is that they’re usually girls who perceive that they were ostracized or bullied by other girls during their youth. This leads to them devaluing other women as cope and siding with men against other women, while also observing men to find out what they like/want so they’re more likely to be accepted into male spheres. You usually find out that NLOGs didn’t have any or or many female friends during their formative years.

No. 1449878

>>1449856
Maxine Harlow is my spirit dyke.
>>1449865
good shout for adding 'cool girl', I think the way gone girl handled it is both humanizing and critical

No. 1449884

>>1449854
>NLOGs are the ones who hate anything feminine, and think the ideal if being a teenage boy in a hot girls body
that's not always the case though, there's like multiple types of NLOGs out there.

No. 1449885

>>1449828
Yes but no. NLOGs are deluded in their beliefs while scrotes are lying trough their teeth and they know it.

No. 1449886

>>1449856
who's the artist of this? I've always loved this comic and want to follow them on instagram, but forgot the handle she uses.

No. 1449888

>>1449856
Just not true. Don't act like there's not a particular type of woman who try to shame other women and put themselves on a pedestal for not like things other women usually like.

No. 1449889

>>1449866
Nta
I am cute and could potentially post my cute face to the internet but I just decide not to because what's the point. An ex friend of mine who was an actual big NLOG once told me that I should, because I would get a lot of followers etc. I just don't see the appeal like why would you expose yourself like this. Sorry if I sound unhinged idk I haven't slept well these past days.

No. 1450890

Is this unlocked?

No. 1450892

>>1449870
Correct

No. 1450894

>>1449802
Thread pic really isn't the best example, she's a well known loser who vents her failures and shitty life style to the world in her comics

No. 1450897

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>>1449886
>who's the artist of this?
maxineharlow!

>>1449862
>Has she returned to tumblr yet? I haven’t checked in a while.
Seems not, last post was in November last year. Her Instagram has also been inactive for just as long.

No. 1450901

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I think this is an interesting discussion but we need a better term then NLOG, I've come to despise the term NLOG cause I'm seeing It used everywhere, it seems like its just used to insult women or girls who have alternative interests and try to insinuate the reason for their interests is purely internalized misogyny and its ridiculous, Its like saying that Metalheads are misandrist and secretly hate other men cause they don't like mainstream music
I've seen some girls online vent that they can't even share their interests with people because most of their interests were not stereotypically feminine and therefor will get them labelled nlog. saying you don't like pop music is enough to get you labelled nlog now.
most of the original "me vs other girls" were a handful of comics created by alternative outcasts who didn't fit in with any group, it's not some that deep

No. 1450959

>What is an NLOG?
Any woman with internalized misogyny who believes she is ultra special or persecuted for having interests that are outside of whatever social norm surrounds her. It's a woman who looks down on other women for conforming, being a normie etc. The main component is her hatred of other women. Her main character complex prevents her from realizing other women are just as human and complex as her. It's the belief that stereotypical girly girls don't have rich inner lives because of how they present themselves and the things they enjoy.

No. 1450962

>>1450959
samefag, forgot to add it's just a childish, immature response to not fitting in or feeling left out. It's understandable (but sad) when teens do it imo. When you are young it can feel like you have to like the same things as other people in order to make friends and be accepted.

No. 1450972

>>1450894
I like her art. At least she's not afraid of talking about her shitty unhinged life. Wish more artists were ballsy like that

No. 1450975

>>1450897
>maxineharlow
has she been outed for being terfy or what?

No. 1450976

>>1450901
>I've seen some girls online vent that they can't even share their interests with people because most of their interests were not stereotypically feminine and therefor will get them labelled nlog. saying you don't like pop music is enough to get you labelled nlog now.
That happens in latin america too. Say you like reggaeton and you will be hated on by everyone

No. 1450980

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>>1450901
is it bad that my story ends up in panel 6? Is2g it's not because "other girls are icky ew" I just am an autist

No. 1451013

My bf once out right called me nlog after I made a self deprecating joke lmao. I think the issue is these men hate women or hang around women they dislike hoping to get laid, then they find one they like and start thinking she must be so different. Turns out they are the problem, not women.

>>1449856
>Some people really are not like the other girls
Yeah, young girls start believing this and then troon out. Thanks for supporting that.

No. 1451026

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>>1450901
Responding to the comic, they rarely ask you to sit with them though. If other women have to spend time with me, like back at college or at work, eventually I'm warmed up to and they realize whatever fears or preconceived notions about GNC women they had, aren't correct. If they aren't "forced" to interact with me though, they'd rather not. Which is fine. It's just weird I'm supposedly the bigoted one for accurately pointing out that lesbophobia is still a thing. The only time I'm approached is if any woman needs help or protection of themselves or something, I'm always the designated bag guardian even for complete strangers kek.
>>1450975
nta yeah, I didn't think she'd give a shit about that though. So idk what is going on with her. Hope she's alright.
>>1451013
You don't automatically troon out if you acknowledge you're different. If anything, swearing up and down that it's impossible to feel different for being a masculine lesbian and that you're the real bigot for feeling excluded, is more likely to make someone go "oh I guess it's not normal to feel like this for being a masc lesbian, maybe I'm not a real woman". Pretending lesbophobia doesn't exist, is more likely to cause confusion. Understanding why you're different and that you're being excluded because other women have internalized misogyny and lesbophobia, does the opposite of causing you to troon out. Same thing with pretending that autistic girls and women aren't treated differently, gaslighting doesn't prevent trooning out, it just makes them question their own reality and makes trooning out more likely.

No. 1451032

>>1451026
>nta yeah, I didn't think she'd give a shit about that though. So idk what is going on with her. Hope she's alright.
Sigh. I hope she's okay too. I hate the witch hunt so much. I want to follow her insta but if I follow her I guess someone will also call me terfy. I fucking hate this shit so much, I want to not give a shit but it always bothers me how much trannies want to ruin our lives.

No. 1451038

I can't believe I'm about to write this out but I have nothing better to do so…
It's really weird to see the whole NLOGs are stupid and hate other women because that's not what usually happens. We live in a society where being different can really isolate you, especially in school environment, and since gender roles for women are really strict and random it's so easy to be "different" as a girl, and often a lot of us get bullied or ostracized before we can even understand why we would be strange to other people. And most of the times it's not even the girls themselves who go like "Oh I'm so special and quirky" but it's people mocking them that say it.
I just think it's another facet of mysoginy and we're literally wasting time hating on women instead of hating our actual enemy, moids.

No. 1451047

>>1451026
>Responding to the comic, they rarely ask you to sit with them though
>If they aren't "forced" to interact with me though, they'd rather not
This has happened to me too, and I'm not even a hardcore GNC woman. I'm tomboyish and I guess not traditionally femenine. There has been instances of women approaching me in good faith but in other instances they just do it to try to figure out why I am the way I am and it's weird. They almost pity me in a condensending way. I'm thankful for the times when women have been genuinely nice to me though.
>I'm always the designated bag guardian even for complete strangers kek.
When I was in secondary I was bigger than other girls, had short hair, never wore the uniform skirt and if I did I would not shave my hair. I was made to feel like an object. Sometimes, people would run and hide behind me like if I was a wall, it's weird to explain but it pissed me off each time. If I was a teen in 2022 with everything that happened to me I would be calling myself a they/it kek. Not because I wanted to be special but because I felt like an outsider. People need to acknowledge some women are indeed just too "out there" for other women, and for society in general

No. 1451049

>>1451038
I honestly think it's only normies who think that having one quirky little trait makes them "not like other girls" therefore special little snowflakes. Like, idk. I guess some women also have a justified reaction when they have been ostracized so much. I guess what bothers me is that when women are actually weird outcasts they have nothing to celebrate when they're called NLOGs. And then the normies want to be just like us and that's when they become the true NLOGs. Weird women have what normies never will.
>I just think it's another facet of mysoginy and we're literally wasting time hating on women instead of hating our actual enemy, moids.
100% agreed.

No. 1451062

>>1450980
I wish female solidarity included those autists who just want to be left alone and do their own thing, feels like unless you have a group of female friends going to the mall you aren't doing female solidarity right

No. 1451290

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Two questions

Is the NLOG real or is it a male fantasy because they want quirky manic pixie dream girls to act like "one of the guys"?

Is Ramona even a NLOG or is she just some random girl with colored hair that Scott projected all his insecurities onto?

No. 1451297

>>1451290
ramona isn’t really an NLOG imo, it’s more as you said. i don’t think she ever tries to distance herself from other women. justice for ramona

No. 1451301

>>1451290
Ramona is a tryhard in trying to seem too cool for school, but it's not like she shits on women or femininity, she's just edgy.

No. 1451305

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>>1451290
The figure of the "nlog" seems to come from a handful of "me vs other girls" from tumblr and that's all, hell majority of these comics were mostly about being weebs compared to other teens

No. 1451310

>>1451305
>those two
if you mix them you get your average farmer

No. 1451317

I was a NLOG in my teens, thankfully I grew out of it and deep down I always knew I just wanted a female friend who had a personality or tastes similar to mine instead of the average girl who was very social and into more traditionally feminine interests.
I think ironically most of us have been NLOGs at some point because society encourages us to think of women as vapid, stupid and materialistic. And of course that's not something most of us want to be associated with.

No. 1451324

>>1451317
>deep down I always knew I just wanted a female friend who had a personality or tastes similar to mine instead of the average girl who was very social and into more traditionally feminine interests.
I think deep down we all do, it bothers me when I can't find unhinged girls like me anywhere

No. 1451332

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>>1451317
I think what annoyed me is that some girls and women would confess to me that they have "traditionally unfeminine" hobbies which they were hiding from other women, because they were afraid of being judged. Yet they secretly all had hobbies like that and were hiding it from each other like retards, while also keeping up the pretense that you totally think it's cringe and stupid to like those things, continuing to make each other feel bad for no good reason. I have more respect for the unapologetic cringe weeb, gamer, sports fan, whatever who doesn't hide her hobbies. The cycle has to be broken.

No. 1451336

>>1451332
for me what it hurts the most was being considered weird for liking shit that in the end everyone else ended up liking.

No. 1451348

>>1451336
ayrt yeah now it's cool to be a weeb, alt, nerd, a gamer. Struggled for no fucking reason and don't even really like anime anymore. Maybe there are still good shows being made, but I'm too lazy to wade through all the bullshit.

No. 1451365

>>1451348
This, exactly. It's so weird that even gaming/nerd shit has its own "traditionally feminine and normie" version now.

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>>1451365
>It's so weird that even gaming/nerd shit has its own "traditionally feminine and normie" version now.
No hate on women who just play stuff like Animal Crossing, it looks really cute and I do like seeing the screenshots and hearing women talk about it. I also enjoy stuff like the Sims occasionally and some more "traditionally feminine and normie" games. It just feels like you get looked at like in picrel if you play games which have a mainly scrote audience for no real reason (they aren't inherently sexist games themselves) and aren't some shooter you can easily get into as a normie.

No. 1451372

>>1451348
I think with a lot of nerd shit, people also develop elitism both just from long time exposure and a defense mechanism. So we become "NLOAnimefags" because even though I'm glad weeb shit is getting accepted, but I still can't connect over BNHA or the last episode of Shingeki

No. 1451376

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I can't even find the pictures that resonated with me during my nlog days/childhood and teenage days because it's all been replaced with politicised comics shaming girls for feeling excluded from girlhood or from other girls. I do remember coming across picrel and I think that sentiment inspired a lot of the hate for nlogs nowadays. Even when you're talking about being an nlog you're expected to go "oh well it was the internalized misogyny all along! oh and I'm gay!" I feel like during the 2010s with everything becoming politicised a certain crowd went after nlogs and basically shamed them. No wonder that identifying as an enbie became popular because no one online will shame you for it they can express how they truly feel and no one goes "you're doing it for male attention or you have internalized misogyny". I remember bringing up being up how I used to be an nlog to a group of hyper political friends and someone was quick to say "well you're over the internalized misogyny now!"

This is purely from experience but I was bullied by girls during primary school for a bunch of reasons, this obviously impacted me severely. I very much relate to this >>1450980 but without the autism. I even remember being forced to go to the school counselor and in a few weeks the girls in my class were forced to involve me with whatever they were excluding me from but at that point I didn't even want to talk to them. Later on I still felt out of place during secondary (or middle/high school) I made a few friends but they weren't healthy or good friendships at all. There was one girl who was really kind and I actually got along with her, we bonded over avatar and tumblr bs lol. I used to talk to her about different games I wanted to play and she would give me recommendations based on what her older brother liked. My mum took me to place different sports as a kid I got along with the girls then but because I attended a different school compared to them I still felt like an outsider. I don't remember being very masculine but I wasn't very feminine either, I used to describe myself as a tomboy but I was also very sensitive which tomboys were absolutely not.

I remember online in the communities I was in (tumblr, deviantart, some quiz making website) I would run into girls that were in the same position as me, we were bullied by girls and barely had any female friends so we would just say that we're not like the other girls, it's kind of ironic in a way. I don't remember coming across girls that were saying they were not like the other girls for the same of male attention usually they were proud in NOT wanted to date boys and OMG I'M SO QUEER YA'LL wasn't a mentality back then so no one would attribute it to being a lesbian or ace. I remember there being a huge overlap with geeks, emos, goths, and scene queens in any nlog space

I have more on my mind about this

No. 1451379

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>>1451365
pic rel really unsettles me for example
>>1451372
Godddd I'll take any animu elitism over people who only watch shingeki or BNHA. They're also the ones making rap songs about Naruto vs Goku or some shit. It's just weird to me.
>>1451376
>I have more on my mind about this
continue nonny

No. 1451393

>>1451376
>I feel like during the 2010s with everything becoming politicised a certain crowd went after nlogs and basically shamed them.
it's funny/interesting to me because basically nlogs became nlogs because they got shamed for liking things that others didn't. That's how an nlog is born in the first place. So shaming them even more would turned out badly aka they're all gendies now.

I do remember the time when saying you were not like other girls was like a proto anti bullying stance, or something like that, so other similar girls would connect to how weird you both were, vs the girls who ostracized you for being weird lol. Overtime it just became "I think I'm quirkier than others and I think I'm better than your typical girly girl so please pickme / I want male attention" but I feel like it wasn't always the case.

No. 1451395

>>1451376
>"you're doing it for male attention or you have internalized misogyny"
I never understood this, I was basically invisible to most guys

No. 1451399

>>1451372
ayrt I get your point, but as an example I was talking to another woman on a dating app and she had in her bio that she likes anime. So I asked her which anime she likes and why. She listed stuff like highschool of the dead and explicitly said she likes anime for the fanservice and panty shots. It felt like she was trying to impress me like I'm some sort of scrote. I don't know if that makes me an elitist. I'm okay with a lot of stuff, I'm not that much into anime myself anymore and rarely watch it, I wouldn't fault someone for some normie tastes, but I hate that it's become popular to watch anime JUST for the fanservice.
I would accept "I just liked Sailor Moon growing up", not going to fault someone for that, it's a classic. I'm not looking for someone to talk to me about some obscure esoteric shit. Maybe I just want to chill with some wholesome slice of life shit or rewatch an older edgy anime together. I don't want to watch shitty ecchi which mainly revolves around scrote fan service. It's not that I have a problem with just being horny, I'm a lesbian and a pervert myself, but I never understood watching anime just for that purpose, nevermind being proud of it. And it's most of the time those types have shit taste too. I would rather take Lust from FMA or Integra from Hellsing than that girl from Kill la Kill.

No. 1451402

>>1451395
I think the "you're doing it for male attention" comes from popular media, think Avril Lavigne's "sc8er boi" and Paramore's misery business which were also popular with nlogs but I don't think it was because of "I'm better date material".

No. 1451403

>>1451376
The hate is so misdirected. Culture, social climate, capitalism and the media dictate what "girl things" are and what aren't. Naturally, there are girls who don't fit the mold and are often bullied as a result of being "not like other girls". When the NLOG articulates this thought, she gets even more hate and is accused of internalized misogyny (because we've come to a point in our culture where femininity equals womanhood and vice versa).
Instead of being mad at the idea that woman = hyperfeminine bimbo, they're mad at women who don't fit the standard (who have always been an acceptable target of bullying). It's bullshit. It's like they feel personally attacked because some women don't think make up and shopping are the end all be all of womanhood. I hate 2022 wokeness man.

No. 1451409

>>1451399
>So I asked her which anime she likes and why. She listed stuff like highschool of the dead and explicitly said she likes anime for the fanservice and panty shots. It felt like she was trying to impress me like I'm some sort of scrote.
What the fuck. No you're right and this is very stupid kek, I thought you would be like "I'm elitist because I watch evangelion and lain but no one gets it" lol. The girl you talked to might as well just watch porn if she likes fanservice so much. That's kinda wack. Imagine watching shit for the stupid fanservice rather than for the plot or characters, couldn't be me. I feel like you can thank stupid faggots like The Anime Man for normalizing this shit to the masses.

No. 1451413

>>1451399
>I don't want to watch shitty ecchi which mainly revolves around scrote fan service. It's not that I have a problem with just being horny, I'm a lesbian and a pervert myself, but I never understood watching anime just for that purpose
I hate scrotal fanservice shows so much, they're all so mentally dead. It's just girls being like aaaa uguuu nyaa omg dont look at my panties. I also AM a big lover of pussy and I too feel like this shit is so immature and childish and brain dead.

Also, nonnie, it feels like we've been talking for 2 days now, are you the GNC girl itt/on the unpopular opinions thread?

No. 1451421

>>1451399
>I would rather take Lust from FMA or Integra from Hellsing than that girl from Kill la Kill.
Good taste, also all trigger shows are so painfully male. The worst offender is that one with the pink haired waifu that every other egirl wants to emulate kek. A friend who is also into girls once told me she found it super insulting how they basically let the lesbian in the show die forever alone while everyone else does those weird sexual positions. It's just weird to me.

No. 1451422

>>1451403
>>1451376
I got called a nlog on twitter for saying I dislike Taylor Swift's music

No. 1451425

>>1451422
KEK sorry but I laughed out loud. Taylor Swift sucks ass lmao
Considering TS fans are rabid normies who would defend her to the end, it feels as if now the term NLOG is used to bully anyone who doesn't like popular stuff. Making it a self fulfilling prophecy or paradoxical thing, IDK what to call it kek. NLOGs were supposed to be proud of not liking the same things others do, now they're shamed for it all over again.

No. 1451433

>>1451403
>Culture, social climate, capitalism and the media dictate what "girl things" are and what aren't.
So true. This is it, and this is correct.
I just wish women didn't pick on each other when they feel intimidated by another woman who doesn't follow the same standard or way of living. It's like being different is an offense towards their entire livehood and that's why women pick each other apart. Because we're all conditioned to be a certain way since birth. This goes for NLOGs and normies alike. I see it here too, we infight all the fucking time about shit that in the end does not matter at all.

No. 1451440

>>1450894
Not OP but I feel like it's still of a good example of an NLOG.

No. 1451447

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>>1451413
We're already best friends nonna, you just don't know it yet.

No. 1451457

>>1451447
If you make a cool post on the ff thread I'll go check it out and become real besties.

No. 1451472

https://www.reddit.com/r/notlikeothergirls/comments/zljsp4/oh_my_godi_am_literally_one_in_a_million/

It's refreshing to see people on this subreddit pushing against this bs. Like yeah it's cringy but honestly when you're a teenager your experience with people is very limited even more so depending on how strict your parents are(this is an imageboard. post screencaps)

No. 1451480

>>1451376
This resonates very well with me. Most of my bullies were girly girls when I was a kid and then "normie" girls when I was a teen. I was constantly called a dyke and excluded for being weird and not being into fashion, not wearing make up, liking "girl" bands and other things considered feminine and normal. I was a huge NLOG online naturally but I only developed the sentiment because I was bullied BY CONFORMING GIRLS for not conforming lol I was glad to find other "NLOGs" online because it made me feel kinship with other women for the first time in my life and less alone and that I didn't have to transform myself into what society expects of girls and women. Nowadays because of gendies you'd be told you were never a woman at all because all women are bimbos who like glitter and being objectified

No. 1451481

>>1451472
can you please take a screenshot this is an imageboard

No. 1451487

>>1451472
>Sometimes as a teenage girl you really can’t do anything right. Act “stereotypical” and you are basic. Try to rebel against stereotypes because you don’t wanna be called basic, you are fake and nlog. Do something purely for yourself because you enjoy it but it isn’t “typical” or “basic,” then you don’t actually like that stuff you are just doing it to get attention from boys. Why does everybody have to bring kids into it?
so true.

No. 1451493

>>1451487
so true, i hate how as teenage girls we're never just seen as humans, but as something in relation to a man, as something in relation to 'other girls'. no wonder so many girls my age are trooning out, even at this age where we're entering adulthood and starting university. and our emotions are chalked up to hysteria or manipulation. you don't notice air because it's all around you. same with misogyny.

No. 1451509

>>1449870
This seems quite true. I’m a recovered NLOG and was bullied for being nerdy/had mostly male friends as a kid. It wasn’t until adulthood I formed really close female friendships that totally shifted my viewpoint. I am extremely thankful to have met them.

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>>1451481
There will be quite a bit

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No. 1451520

>>1449853
Why is this shit a trend, I'm trying to find nlog comics but I keep running into "i mAy nOt bE tHe oNE yOU maRry" shit

No. 1451579

>>1449853
this is so fucking bad wtf

No. 1451595

>>1451403
I'm glad someone brought this up. Reading the thread really made me realize how people don't realize "NLOGism" is a symptom and a coping mechanism, not some sentient lifestyle. A lot of women have never been taught to seek female solidarity and instead are encouraged to actively police, bully and punish those women who don't fill the impossible standards we are given. I've seen popular, feminine women say they're "not like other girls". I've seen antisocial, GNC women say they're "not like other girls". I've seen completely basic, normie women say they're "not like other girls". At the same time the "other girls" don't exist but you'll always be someone else's "other girl".

No. 1451599

>>1451472
>white
How much do you wanna bet this was made by a white man?

No. 1451686

>>1449853
These are the same type of girls who encourage men to be violent during sex and choke or hit them. disgusting.

No. 1451692

>>1451379
I like subtle accents of pink, but this is so much. It always screams pick me or tranny.

No. 1451720

I think it's a bad idea to frame it as a "hating pink v. liking nonfeminine interest" thing because it really muddies the waters and takes attention away from how a lot of the neuroticism around "NLOG" behavior is existential. We live in a rigged system that is obsessed with girls and women as a product, as if on the menu of society in a creepy way, and we grow up rarely allowed to exist without the surveillance of others. So, whatever we are, there's a compulsion to commodify it and have it look or seem a certain way and sometimes other women end up recreating this with all that internalized reactivity and hurt. Assume that a woman is defined by one passion. Or, pathologizing/demonizing a hobby a lot of women enjoy–as if not liking it isn't good enough. Not seeing women as complex people, basically, and a rush to railroad us into strict binaries. Hell. I saw a woman going off about how a flat-chested, but still attractive character design was "anti-woman", kek, what?
The worst part is that these pressures come in from all sides. Maybe something can be said about how society expects women to be a certain way and how being objectified (whether by others or ourselves) and the traumas that can result from it is the primary problem.

No. 1451747

>>1451720
Samefag, also, a lot of society benefits from women opting to perform certain roles or whatever. NLOG behavior is silly in general buuuuut when you have society being so weird about nonconforming women on multiple levels - hell, even shit like opting to be childless is a statement for some reason - it's natural that people rush to adapt and try separating themselves out of self-preservation.

No. 1451785

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>>1451720
I want to shake every woman who says characters like Furiosa are anti-woman for being one of the few practical, realistically dressed and acting female characters in post apocalyptic and action movies in general. And when they don't complain about those characters, it's like you said
>Hell. I saw a woman going off about how a flat-chested, but still attractive character design was "anti-woman", kek, what?
The goalposts are continuously moved. Until you have people saying that women are "acting like men nowadays" for uh having a job and being independent in any way shape or form. Like please, snap out of it. Picrel is Anita Sarkeesian seething about the idea of women fighting for their freedom and using any form of violence.

No. 1451806

>>1451785
I love that action movie and how it shows female solidarity against patriarchy. If she only wants peaceful solutions why watch a Mad Max film?

No. 1451898

>>1451785
I can't believe people ever took her and her shit opinions seriously.

No. 1451916

>>1451898
>Anita Sarkeesian
>taken seriously
By who?

No. 1451917

>>1451916
By irrelevant but very vocal terminally online Americans and apparently by a few American video game studios.

No. 1451930

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Anyone want to discuss and reflect on being a NLOG yourself? My NLOG phase went like this
>awkward, ugly teen in the 2000's
>Didn't know any other girls who played video games aside from sister and we hated each other
>It wasn't normal to be open about nerdy hobbies like video games, anime, manga, etc at this time
>Afraid to be judged and an outcast
>Played vidya a lot with my step brothers and their lil moid friends
>Thought I was NLOG for being cool with the boys
>Even though I learned later on they only played Smash and other cartoony games with me because they said stuff like Halo was not for girls
>Got my own laptop at 15 and had unlimited unsupervised access to the internet
>Spent a lot of time on dA, 4chan, encyclopedia dramatica, etc
>Saw memes like picrel everywhere
>Wanted to be accepted by boys on the internet so badly and I was being the dreaded ebil gamer girl that boys hate
>Became Not Like Other Girl Gamers

I never even heard of terms like misogyny or sexism until I was 19 and I witnessed and experienced a lot of it. I saw hatred towards other girls for acting a certain way and instead of standing by them, I wanted to hate them too in fear of me being them. I feel sad about spending so much mental energy in my early teens trying to get approval from barely human boys

No. 1451934

>>1449836
>"Weird" women also get called that but imo they aren't, they don't fit this meaning.
I'm so over farmers calling every girl who says she was bullied by women in school an NLOG, though it happens less compared to a few years ago. It's literally just autism, not that deep.

No. 1451947

>>1451934
i don't understand why they do that when pickmes exist. like, they complain about pickmes putting down women and then when women have stories about that happening they whine about those women suddenly being nlogs whose bullies never existed or weren't actually bullying her. it's so stupid.

No. 1451960

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>>1449802
>What is an NLOG?

i think they're just attention-seeking narcissists, ultimately. it's not a symptom unique to women.

i'm a weeb at my core so i'll compare them to those 3x3 fags that only watch "kino, 2deep4u" anime. they're similar to that, except instead of trying to make themselves more special through what media they consume, it's how they approach uh…"womanhood", or otherwise present themselves as a "woman". they're only a nlog if they make a big deal out of it btw.

>Can NLOGs be saved?


yeah i mean. i'm pretty sure everyone has had an NLX (not like "X") stage, it's generally something you grow past with enough life experience. it's also natural to go through…who amongst us has never wanted to stick out. that said, never had a NLOG phase myself, but i was definitely pretentious about my hobbies and would always say things like "well i'm not your capeshitfag i only watch untranslated obscure french shit from the 50's (i am SPECIAL please talk to me)"

>Have you ever been an NLOG or been called one by men/women?


no. i was generally too isolated from other people for any of this gender shit to matter. lucky me i guess

>What is the worst type of NLOG?


the ones obsessed with femininity, which is fine in itself, i just dislike how they try to make it seem dangerous in any way that matters. at least the ones who don't wear makeup are actually somewhat challenging the system – these types are just, huffing their own glitter-pink farts while thinking men are actually scared or impressed by their skirts and heels and eyeliner.

counterculture that needs to announce itself as counterculture, or is otherwise indistinguishable from the status quo, is cringe to me. just shut the fuck up and kys

>>1449811
2X being hidden is retarded imo. is it hidden so the moids that infect this place don't get scared or what

No. 1451964

>>1451960
>well i'm not your **typical capeshitfag

No. 1451965

>>1451930
>Bullied in school since kindergarten
>An obvious assburger and GNC
>Only get along with boys because they liked the same cool boy things I did while I had zero interest in "girly" things, always dressed up in boy clothes as well due to its functionality and neutral aesthetics
>Didn't get along with girls due to being a sperg and not understanding their social games they resorted to playing as they were disciplined much harder for visibly acting out than boys were, something my baby brain interpreted as "girls having too much drama"
>Start hanging around older guys who in retrospect were huge creeps for keeping a girl almost half their age around, try to get their approval by not being like those other vapid teenage girls and instead join in ridiculing them because these men were the only people who didn't tell me to fuck off
>Post-puberty trauma, it becomes too difficult to admit that the society is built on misogyny and sexism and it's much easier to accuse other women of just being too uptight and judgmental than deconstruct the system and accept your position as a member of a lower class
>Get fucked over and traumatized by men in my early adulthood, instead of hating the men and the glass ceiling above me that I can't break through I'm trying to just push other women down and be "better than them" because it's the only cope I was ever taught
>Consider trooning out to be taken seriously as a person and not just a walking vagina and the butt of the joke due to being masculine presenting
>Suddenly forge a lot of meaningful relationships with women, they become real friends instead of all the male orbiters who sucked up to me only to ghost me after I didn't put out
>Find feminism past the "cringe blue haired twitter feminist" boogeyman all the men were warning me about
>Realize my worth as a woman and how all of my past experiences were caused by a broken system, not women being inherently malevolent and spiteful
>Post this on Lolcow
From what I have seen a ton of anons here share this exact experience. The cycle needs to be broken, we have to educate younger girls and help them form an identity and better self esteem from a young age.

No. 1451999

>exclusively call women "Females" 'Bitches" call men "men"
> "my body count is low and most men don't want a woman with a high body count"
>can't compliment any woman without downing another woman
example-
"She's pretty, I love her hair"
Nlog response,
"She so pretty and her hair is long and healthy unlike other females"
>hates women for the smallest of things
>Loves men for the smallest of things
>Claims to have a lot of male friends, so she knows what men "really" like in women

No. 1452044

>>1451402
>>1451403
>>1451395
>>1451393
>>1451376
It's exactly this. I was a teenage NLOG who loved Paramore, Siouxsie, Emilie Autumn and all that, but I didn't care about boys. I was just bullied for my interests. I loved my fellow mallgoth NLOG friends, I never hated other women. It had nothing to do with "cool girls" and I hate men making it all about them. I was just a kid who wanted to sperg out about MCR and gothic lolita but got bullied.

The NLOG comics and drawings from the 2000s like >>1451376 are clearly drawn out of frustration with the pressure to conform to the bimbofied idea of what a girl 'should' be that was prevalent at the time, nothing in them is drawn to appeal to men at all. They're very obviously drawn for other girls who feel the same. It sucks that they're putting "normal" women down, but these girls were often bullied teens who aren't known for their nuanced thinking.

It just sucks that the pipeline goes like
>bullied for being weird, autistic, not wanting to wear makeup, having "un-feminine" interests
>start resenting same type of people who bullied you
>get bullied even more, but now you're also literally hitler somehow
>try to talk about being bullied and how it affected you
>called NLOG
>meanwhile same girls who bullied you are now somehow into video games because it's cool and men who laughed at you now want a "big titty goth gf"
Can't win on this shit ass planet

No. 1452055

I don't like this term. Teenage girls clumsily expressing how they feel disenfranchised by societal expectations of womanhood, are already dealing with enough shit. Now they can't even express that without being instantly marked as a pickme and becoming even more confused. To be confident in who you are as a woman you basically have to reject all media, mainstream history and culture. But yea let's all pile on these girls who are timidly expressing that they feel 'different' to all that.

And what's wrong with even resenting the women who uphold those social norms, they are brainwashed, traitors to their own kind, lack self awareness, take your pick. A girl maturing into a woman might easily notice that women clearly aren't holding up the fort. She may think to herself 'wow is this what im supposed to be now? some vanity obsessed sexually objectified bimbo? some sad codependent mess? some insufferable complainer with victim mentality? a literal prostitute? ' Yes some real women are not like this but this is what young girls are being exposed to, even the seemingly empowering 'boss bitch' narratives are subverted, and all 'nerdy girl' archetypes are also compromised (think slutty girl gamers)

There are no good role models in plain view for a teenage girl today. Them deciding 'I dont know what to make of all this, but what I do know is that I am not like these other 'girls'' is the best conclusion they can possibly come to and the definitive crucial first step to truly becoming themselves. But keep hating on silly comic strips of girls harmlessly expressing themselves. Be like the other girls sis, lose your self respect! Consume products! Hide your pores! Always defer to popular culture and conform to the norm!

Agree with >>1451403,
I think some of you are misguided, I get it you want something to hate on, just stop and think first, thanks.

No. 1452057

>>1452044
>meanwhile same girls who bullied you are now somehow into video games because it's cool and men who laughed at you now want a "big titty goth gf"
this always happens, and those same stupid mfs who used to mock any sort of "weird" hobby will probably descend on this post calling you a snowflake just to repost it 2 years later for their larp

No. 1452069

>>1449853
This is funny because what did she get out of it? A thought? Oh wow, a man thought about you.

No. 1452070

>>1452055
My queen this post is unfathomably based, will screencap for the future

No. 1452105

>>1449870
True, since most other girls aren't interested in being your friend, and/or you can't find another girl who you can identify strongly with (which rarely is a young NLOG's fault), feeling lonely and isolated you turn to boys and find that they give you lots of attention. So of course you become a pickme NLOG because you'll get easy attention that way and can finally talk about your interests with someone. But when you grow up, you grow out of it and you realize that what you want is to meet other women who are just like you because scrotes are insufferable and you still feel excluded and isolated no matter what you do to be "one of the boys"; it may have worked in childhood and early teenhood, but as moids grow older they become more hateful and disgusting towards the opposite sex. Or, if you don't grow out of it, you become the NLOGest of NLOGs, enduring constant harassment and abuse in adulthood because your self-esteem has been utterly destroyed after years and years of seeking attention from misogynistic males.

Also when a young girl first becomes a NLOG, perhaps it's not her intention to hate on other girls, it's a way for her to express her hatred towards the stereotypes and roles that are being imposed on her and that she's trying to reject. She may hate pink because she thinks it's stupid that she must like it just because she's female, and/or she likes some other color (probably blue) and hates that her parents are forcing her to wear pink dresses (understandable), but her dumb child brain thinks she must hate girly girls who like pink as well, because they represent what she hates. When she gets older she might hate other women for dressing sexy and hyperfeminine and showing off their body for moids. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think there's something wrong with female beauty standards, but the NLOG, instead of hating society for teaching women that they must dress to turn moids on, hates the women instead, for embodying the stereotypes she hates so much and rejects. This sadly makes her prone to agreeing with males when they make misogynistic comments stereotyping all women as dumb whores. And it becomes harder for her to realize who's really to blame when she was bullied or ostracized by other girls for not fully conforming.

No. 1452109

>>1451934
>I'm so over farmers calling every girl who says she was bullied by women in school an NLOG
it irks me so much too because somehow saying that women bullied you means you don't believe in female solidarity and that you were the problem. It's not always the case.

No. 1452111

>>1451965
>"girls having too much drama"
it do be true in some cases though. Men are worse still but doesn't mean women are just pure and innocent

No. 1452114

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>>1452044
>meanwhile same girls who bullied you are now somehow into video games because it's cool and men who laughed at you now want a "big titty goth gf"
it's always this type of ethot costhot girl too. Notice how they only dress like pornified versions of characters. None of this feels genuine.

No. 1452116

>>1452055
100% agreed with this post

No. 1452122

>>1452105
You are reaching so hard right now, trying to create a subcategory of woman that barely even exists to justify hatred towards her.

What is wrong with resenting the girls that uphold regressive social norms? You imply that girls being critical of other girls are sliding into male identified thought and spheres of influence. Have you considered that maybe her conclusions are her own? Why should she respect the girls that go against everything she believes in? Why is that misogynistic?

Also it isn't even true that these kinds of girls refuse to befriend other girls and seek male validation. That is something you made up. There's nothing wrong with making friends with boys if the girls around her are brainwashed and are trying to suck her into their madness. Pickmeism is something else entirely.

No. 1452123

>>1452111
Most of the drama women deal with is caused by men in the end. Doesn't make it any less annoying though to be around it.

No. 1452125

>>1452114
Who's to say these women didn't actually have nerdy interests in the first place? Maybe they were hiding it all along, afraid of being seen as weird by moids, until they realized moids liked slutty cosplay, then they felt free to express their geeky interests in a distorted pickme way that appeals to scrotes. I mean, if those are the same women who bullied other girls for not fitting the hyperfeminine mold, it's obvious they were always insecure and probably seeking male approval as well.
Ngl I would like to ask some of these former bullies what the hell they were thinking when they made fun of tomboys or weird girls. What could they possibly get out of it? Why the hatred for someone who's not afraid of being a little different?

No. 1452129

>>1452105
This is what bothers me, you're saying that just because girly girls excluded you, you have to try harder and befriend them anyway? They clearly said no. Especially as an adult, you don't have to get along with everyone, you only need to be in your tribe/clique/niche.

No. 1452131

>>1452125
true but it's still so infuriating when you see someone doing this for male attraction instead of genuine love.

No. 1452136

>>1452129
>Especially as an adult, you don't have to get along with everyone, you only need to be in your tribe/clique/niche.
Nta and I agree with this, but also feel like if somehow you don't click with some type of women you'll be labeled an NLOG and it'll make you feel wrong all over again. Even with women from lolcow I feel like not all of us are the same, I can't click with everyone the same way even though some of us have pretty much similar interests. It sucks but me also being super picky on friendships doesn't help, I'm basically this >>1450980 and idk what I'm going with this but it suxxs.

No. 1452137

>>1452131
are you genuinely infuriated over your genuine love of velma from scooby doo

No. 1452138

>>1452137
No silly that's just a picture from the internet
Idk why they sexualize Velma so much anyway

No. 1452140

>>1452069
KEK basically this. I don't know how some people like her live for male validation 24/7 it's so fucking funny and sad to see.

No. 1452145

>>1452129
No, not at all, where'd you get that from my post? I obviously agree with the idea that you don't have to befriend prejudiced girls who don't want to talk to you. But when there's no one else around except boys, boys seem like the better option (notice how I never blamed anyone for making this choice, I think in most cases it's not a young girl's fault that other girls don't like her). Where the hell did I say you have to befriend women who hate you lmao

No. 1452158

>>1449853
NLOG is used in vastly different ways.
a) My idea of a NLOG was more or less what you said and just a kind of pickme who thinks she's super special and unique (maybe because women like her are actually rare around her and it has inflated her ego) and sees other women as competition, ESPECIALLY women who are like her. By this definition a NLOG is someone who constantly shits on other women for being all the same (supposedly) and feels superior to them because moids praise her for (supposedly) not being a stereotype and being closer to them than other women. This one sometimes overlaps with being an elitist in general (hating mainstream stuff that most other women like, purely because other women like it and not because you genuinely aren't interested or because it's actually bad, e.g. hating Twilight because "it's for dumb girls and girly things suck, am I right bros?").

b) But other people use NLOG to refer to girls and women who simply don't want to be defined by stereotypes. No pickme implication there. I think "Not Like Other Girls" is used wrong here, because these girls are far from being alone and there's nothing wrong with hating the expectations that everyone has for women.

c) And even further still, there are bullies who call every girl who doesn't like something popular a NLOG. As if said girls did so to offend others or to announce to the world that they are special. These people think these girls are just contrarians like a). Needless to say, NLOG is used completely wrong here.

It gets really confusing because sometimes you don't know what others mean when they say NLOG.

No. 1452176

I'm gonna post something pretty different than the discussion here. I knew an NLOG unlike any other because this was a bit before clown world internet, we were supposed to be best friends. She ranted and sometimes screamed over mic for evenings to me about other girls being 'dumb bimbo bitches' and flip flopped between smug superiority that she was too good, smarter, stronger, more dominant for anyone around her, then screeching that nobody would ever love her because people prefered prettier, smaller girls. Always bragged about her chest size whenever she wasn't crying about being fat (she wasn't) or pretending it was muscle. She was really proud of using a power drill on a door once and 'scaring' her dad as a 15 year old by breaking something when she lashed out once that stopped him from yelling at her ever again, then she'd say she actually really loves cleaning the house to show off her domestic streak. Her other friends were 'sluts' for going to parties like normal teens while bringing boyfriends along. She used to say she was bisexual and then pansexual way before the gender stuff took off (I think she disapproved of it actually), once said to me 'I bet your pussy looks better than mine', showed me a ton of shock porn. She'd provoke moids too saying things like 'yeah but I bet you'd love fucking a blonde with bigger tits than me' when they were actually getting along then show me the chat log????
She'd pride herself on having such good taste in men that she'd save herself for an anime character who was so much better than real moids then whine some more about how she's going to be alone forever. Really activated her almonds that he'd get shipped with conventionally attractive female characters or yaoi kek. She basically hated yumes and fujos but constantly said her love was different and more special and they didn't know her 2D moid like she did. There was a fanfic she wrote where she was in a love triangle with him and a female character written just to be an annoying obstacle that he epically denies.

Then she finally settled for a creepy autistic Euro simp she met online who has since spent hundreds on her in games and plane tickets to visit each other.
\ I genuinely think she's just de novo insane because her family are pretty normal people who stayed connected in adulthood and her eldest sister is a good, successful woman. The constant NLOGing was so bad I spent years needing to deprogram myself from her influence. Idek if you can call this an NLOG or pickme or what but it was exhausting to be around.

No. 1452192

>>1452105
This shit completely falls apart if you're not OSA. Kids aren't fucking stupid. Besides comfort, practicality and whatever muh based radfem reasons (not hating on Rf), I knew what the uniform was for attracting men, boys, whatever. You see it with the women around you, in media and you pick up quickly that it's a form of signaling. What are you going to do when you don't want that? The opposite. Most of my life has been characterized by trying to repulse men and being a desperate pickme for women, trying to be liked and accepted in misguided ways. I only interacted with boys to use their toys or to beat them up. Which has never really changed.
How are you btw even supposed to know to hate society until you find out about feminism? You just go through life seeing women and girls being hurt by scrotes and feeling like the crazy one, not understanding wtf is going on or why anyone would put up with XYZ. It's easy to think someone is just being retarded

No. 1452213

>>1452192
>Most of my life has been characterized by trying to repulse men and being a desperate pickme for women, trying to be liked and accepted in misguided ways. I only interacted with boys to use their toys or to beat them up. Which has never really changed.
I love you so freaking much

No. 1452214

I feel like nlogs are far tamer than pickmes. Most nlogs are healed with time and don't require much further intervention to get on to the right track, but pickmes are definitely more vicious and vile, which is also another path a lot of nlog may walk down. I do think most nlogs are genuine in their non-stereotypical interests or at least are going for a phase. I never really think about them in terms of male attention, i relegate that for pickmes. I do think they have a lot of resentment for not being able to fit in with other women/girls unlike pickmes who can't stand women at all and only see them as competition.

On to my own personal experience, i was definitely somebody who was obsessed with fitting in with other girls when i was in school. I admittedly used to be somebody who was obsessed with the idea of being traditionally feminine, being popular and socially adept. I wanted to experience everything the traditional teenage girl did, go out shopping, wear fashionable clothes, talk to boys and have a nice close knit friendship group. I am cringing so hard when i write this, but i always felt like the only way you could live a worthwhile life was to conform as hard as you can and i did this because i was desperate for validation because i felt ignored.

One day i just realised how i stupid i was. I think i was around 10-12 when i realised this. I wasn't pretty, i was socially inept and people found me wierd and off putting. Nobody wanted to be a friend and tbh, i didn't really care that much about boys either because most of them were really fucking rude and i was beginning to be confused as to why i had to like them or want to marry one of those moids. I feel like my nlog phase started around here. I did attempt talk to all kinds of people, but they were always obsessed with wanting to change me or make me better. They would attempt to pressure me into doing things i do not want to do or give me unsustainable makeovers that made me feel self-conscious and uncomfortable. The meaningless pep talks about how i need to show my true self.. my true self is just the person in your mind you think i should be.

I realised most people, women and girls at that, do not truly care about me or will ever accept me. I had a lot of resentment for not being able to fit in, but at the same time i was trying so hard to cope with the fact that i am not the person i want to be. I made the decision to give up and dive head first into finding hobbies and trying new things. I ended up getting into anime, comics and video games and stopped all attempts at trying to make myself pretty. None of this got me friends as i did not fit in with nerds either and i still do not. At least i had something to be passionate about and keep me going. I did say a lot of nlog things, but at the same time when i would tell other girls i prefer video games over new shoes… i wasn't joking. I meant it with my heart. I never meant it really to say their interests were stupid, it's more so that i don't personally see the value. The only thing i would really bully other women and girls do was for their obsession with dating and i have no shame about it, kek, i still have all those beliefs. They would alsos try and paint me as prude or being difficult. Even though i started to care about my appearance a little now, i am still not a shoe person. I think this experience really was good for my mental health and helped me to become somebody with strong values and beliefs, probably to an obnoxious degree. I'd say the one nlog thing about me that still lingers is the observation that a lot of beautifying processes are primarily to entice the opposite sex. I can't help hearing about a woman shaving her whole entire body when they are not a swimmer or some kind of model and think the only reason they are doing that is to please their scrote.

I wrote too much, but i hope at least one person enjoyed my life story.

No. 1452226

>>1452192
> Most of my life has been characterized by trying to repulse men
Are you attractive or smth? To repulse men you have to just exist in your normal state, even being nlog is not enough.

No. 1452243

>>1452226
you don't need to be attractive for men to come up to you and be creepy, talking from experience.

No. 1452253

My experience with NLOGs is that they would tell me how I was "only average pretty" and that I got guys for my looks, but they got guys because they were funny and intelligent, even though I never dated or got with guys as a teen. I would get told I didn't look like I watched anime, video games, etc. and it really made it unbearable for me to find any female friends that shared my interests. It felt good surpassing them in standardized tests I didn't study for, etc. but ultimately, it's left me with the feeling that NLOGing is not productive and it further divides women when that isn't needed. I try to be friends with all the women I meet and I feel like there's worth derived from some stereotypically feminine things and things that are not stereotypically feminine. Women that defend NLOGing due to our culture have probably not had to deal with its immediate effects is my guess as to why they defend it. The thing is, NLOG is so relative I don't get why posters above act like the "basic girl" is this bimbo type. For repressive christian/religious communities, an nlog could be a girl who sleeps around. It depends on where you are as to what constitutes an nlog type. I also think that there is quite a bit of overlap between nlogs and pickmeism irl - girls would shit on me for wearing makeup, but their reasoning was that they were so much more attractive to men without it (in my community). The point is, I just don't see how it's a productive thing to focus on in general.

No. 1452395

>>1452192
>How are you btw even supposed to know to hate society until you find out about feminism?
This. I found feminism very late and before that I hated myself. I even larped as a man. Sadly, finding feminism isn't that easy for some of us.

Two more things need to be said, boys are as disgusting as men and a minority of women will do anything to please them. Other girls/women will do nothing because they are terrified to be bullied. This minority of women will go as far as ignoring men abusing women because they think that those women deserve to be hurt by men. I saw it many times.

No. 1452417

>>1449864
unfathomably based take

No. 1452435

I honestly just can't stand NLOGs because I can't stand the type of woman who thinks their personal interests, likes/dislikes, personality, etc… makes them better than other women, especially if it's for male attention. Constantly comparing yourself to other people and putting down other women doesn't make you interesting, funny or unique. You just look insecure, insufferable, and desperate. And the sad thing is that some women never grow out of being an NLOG.

No. 1452449

>>1451960
>i love makeup and clothes and stereotypically male pandering material goods but i hate men!!!

It honestly feels like this type of NLOG is the one who hates other women the most. They hide behind a shield of “I think all men should die” and call themselves misandrists, but they’re psychopathic towards other women while excusing deranged and disgusting behavior from men. Ultimate pickme material. Katherine McMahon on /snow/ is a pretty good example.

And before anybody misinterprets my post, I’m not saying that women who are into makeup and clothes are like this.

No. 1452469

>>1452226
You completely missed the point okay. Again, kids aren't stupid. Growing up I did notice what the straight uniform is and what women do to attract men. I think I knew from a very early age, to some degree, that I'm attracted to women and not men. That I don't want the attention I see women and girls are getting, but that I want the attention of women and girls. So besides just the general yeah sure being gnc is comfortable and practical, I do think part of it is that already back then I didn't want to wear the uniform. I'm talking about very early, like age 4 or 5. And it's not like it necessarily works.
Doesn't matter what you look like as a kid, pedos be pedoing. Also later as a teen I kicked a scrote in the scrote, while wearing steel toed boots, because he confessed a crush on me. I was horrified and disgusted. And I don't think I've ever shaved, except ankles for a short phase after seeing that episode in As Told by Ginger.
But like imagine seeing movies, you know. It's not necessarily that I think there's anything bad with being like Evelyn from the Mummy. She's wonderful, it's not internalized misogyny which made me not identify with female characters in films. It's the male love interests which put me off. The logic quickly becomes in a kid's brain, I want Evelyne → Evelyne marries Rick → I'm going to be a retard and dress up like him. Also the constant comments people already make to a young age about kids like oh he's such a lady killer and telling girls who they are so pretty and are going to get a wonderful husband later and that's why they have to wear the dress.
Don't worry, I don't necessarily have that association with other women. I don't have a problem with femme lesbians and I don't think they're any less lesbian. I'm glad you exist too. But in my personal life and upbringing, I just frantically wanted to avoid sending the wrong messages. Yes, I know that doesn't work, men will sexualize anything. Are you going to get into a time machine and explain 4 year old me that?
After a life long of wanting to be the prince, in order to get the princess and not attract the prince and shit like that. Eventually it just gets stuck like that. It's also just more comfortable and takes less effort. Before anyone says that if I don't wear a dress stat I'm totally going to troon out, it doesn't work like that. Being a lesbian is difficult, don't get me wrong and the dating pool is tiny, but I don't think life would be much easier as a dickless manlet, who is in the end still a woman. I'm more likely going into the drag king direction or wish there was something like takarazuka revue in the west. Listen, hear me out, lesbian version of the Mummy.

No. 1452496

>>1452214
>I never really think about them in terms of male attention, i relegate that for pickmes. I do think they have a lot of resentment for not being able to fit in with other women/girls unlike pickmes who can't stand women at all and only see them as competition.
This is the exact key difference that I consider between pickmes and NLOGs. Pickmes can be bitter tradthots and doormats who consider themselves superior to other women due to dedicating themselves for male approval while NLOGs rarely have that kind of obsession for bootlicking, but instead feel alienated by the general female stereotype.

>>1452449
Literally half of Lolcow. Anons be all about their based radfem manhate but will clean up after Nigel if he just treats them to a nice dinner and then ask for more, all the while having a-log levels of hatred for every woman out there and projects them full of their own insecurities. Especially if they're not gender-conforming which automatically gets them branded as both NLOGs and pickmes. It's sad and pathetic that even despite knowing how bad men will treat them they would still rather take the punches than find female solidarity.

No. 1452500

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>>1452469
samefag just thought of something, yes I did know about women like Annie Lennox, but they are more the exception than the rule. By the late 90's, early 00's, hyperfemininity was pushed hard from a young age and a woman with short hair would be derided as "looks like a man". I didn't see droves of male attention for women like that, so it didn't exactly burst my bubble that dressing masc would automatically repulse men and that it doesn't necessarily work that way. If anything she would be for me someone to point to like if she can do it, why can't I?

No. 1452509

>>1452469
>It's not necessarily that I think there's anything bad with being like Evelyn from the Mummy. She's wonderful, it's not internalized misogyny which made me not identify with female characters in films. It's the male love interests which put me off.
Anon, you just put the pieces together for me. I had always wondered why my interest in female characters seemed to be so sporadic and often simply nonexisting while I identified with a lot of male characters instead, and this is exactly the reason. So many female characters are defined by how much they love a man which is an immediate turn off. This is a thing that should have more attention brought to it because so many young women go through their lives being called "NLOGs with internalized misogyny" because they just don't enjoy female characters that always fall in love with a man like it was something that is just expected and supposed to happen. I've had so many female characters, even masculine ones, be ruined for me the moment they suddenly kiss the male lead or blush at them, it's always a disappointment and a reminder of how broken I am for not enjoying this "like a woman should". Glad to be able to point this out now.

No. 1452514

>>1451480
same tbh. my hypothesis is that as long as a NLOG has some reasonable female friends and mentors, she'll grow out of the NLOG mindset. if she doesn't have either, she's at risk for the troon pipeline.my hypothesis is that as long as a NLOG has some reasonable female friends and mentors, she'll grow out of the NLOG mindset. if she doesn't have either, she's at risk for the troon pipeline.

I was only saved from the tif pipeline because I made female friends outside of my class, and because the bullying made me super wary of community groupthink so when I saw the exact same stuff happen in artsy tumblr nerd girl groups just in reverse like hating on normies, I noped out. The artsy tumblr nerd girls I almost fell in with are now 85% trooned out and 15% cancelled.

No. 1452525

>I feel like nlogs are far tamer than pickmes. Most nlogs are healed with time and don't require much further intervention to get on to the right track, but pickmes are definitely more vicious and vile, which is also another path a lot of nlog may walk down. I do think most nlogs are genuine in their non-stereotypical interests or at least are going for a phase. I never really think about them in terms of male attention, i relegate that for pickmes. I do think they have a lot of resentment for not being able to fit in with other women/girls unlike pickmes who can't stand women at all and only see them as competition.

I agree. A key difference is, how does the woman react when she does meet women who are similar to her? Like if a gamer girl NLOG meets another gamer girl NLOG, does she bond with her over games, or does she treat her as competition, nitpick her gamer cred, etc.

No. 1452526

Being an NLOG is entirely pointless because men will never like a woman for her personality. If a guy likes you it's because he thinks you are hot, hobbies literally do not matter to men. They don't give a fuck if you like to play videogames or knit socks. I used to be an ugly duckling in high school and had a bunch of hobbies guys like, played videogames, knew about obscure meme culture and was cool etc. No guy was ever interested in me or wanted to talk about any of our common interests. They'd rather talk to a hot girl about her manicure than to an ugly one about a shared interest. I grew up to be attractive and now am very feminine but hate men and couldn't give less of a fuck about talking to them or impressing them and now I could have all the men I want. They really don't give a shit about anything other than superficial looks.

No. 1452546

>>1452469
If you was venting this night but deleted the post, maybe, the problem is in you, and not somebody else having reading comprehension problems. I am NTA you wrote the previous post to and I asked only ONE question about your life. But you wrote the full slightly related essay with no clear answer as a response.

No. 1452553

>>1452509
It's often dismissed as superficial liberal identity politics to care about representation in media, but it does have a pretty big effect on how you see yourself while growing up.
>>1452546
I didn't delete anything last night? Asking whether I'm attractive in response to me saying that most of my life has been characterized by trying to repulse men, i.e. including in early childhood, is completely irrelevant.

No. 1452566

>>1452526
Looks do play a part but a lot of predatory male attraction has to do with your degree of vulnerability. Pickmes get male attention because they're desperate and men can see and exploit it. You could be the hottest woman ever yet if you don't show any weakness and call men out for their bullshit the most you're going to get is rape threats.

>>1452553
Amidst all the performative representation song and dance people forget that representation does matter and people growing up without any will have issues with their identity. As much as people meme on it it's all for creating a better tomorrow when more marginalized groups of people feel included and validated for being what they are, but instead of giving little tomboys and baby butches their masculine role models people just want them to ditch that shit and become stereotypically feminine. Thus troons and NLOGs are born.

No. 1452576

>>1452566
Thank you for saying this
>Looks do play a part but a lot of predatory male attraction has to do with your degree of vulnerability.
That is why I'm angry with >>1452546 because little girls don't get predated on by pedo's based on attractiveness, but based on vulnerability. Attractiveness in early childhood has practically nothing to do with being chosen by pedo's. Which is why I seethed at the (perceived) suggestion and posted the essay. Since "most of life", includes my childhood. Being attractive or not is mostly irrelevant.
>but instead of giving little tomboys and baby butches their masculine role models people just want them to ditch that shit and become stereotypically feminine. Thus troons and NLOGs are born.
Yeah, even when they show a tomboy or masculine character, they give them a makeover halfway through.

No. 1452592

>>1452566
I disagree, ugly women are completely invisible to men. I was ugly (fat) my entire youth and totally desperate for male attention. I would have made the perfect victim for a predatory scrote but not a single man ever paid attention to me. They don't want to prey on someone they don't find attractive. Men are entirely shallow creatures.

No. 1452603

>>1452592
At least someone understands me. I was not fat, I was ugly shy and lonely child and I grew into an ugly shy and lonely woman. I was and I am a perfect victim and yet I never had a need to "repel" anyone.

No. 1452612

>>1452592
>>1452603
Sure, I was such an insanely attractive baby and child, pedo's just couldn't help themselves. It totally had nothing to do with neglect and lack of protection.
>The study found people are more apt to believe sexual harassment claims by women who are young, “conventionally attractive,” and appear and act feminine. Women who don’t fit that prototype not only are less likely to be believed, but also are presumed to be unharmed by harassing behavior, the study said.
>“The findings demonstrate that more masculine and unattractive women are less credible and that they will be less psychologically harmed because they would be less distressed,” said Bryn Bandt-Law, a psychology graduate student and one of the study’s lead authors.
>“And that their perpetrators,” she added, “deserve less punishment.”
>So when someone who isn’t conventionally attractive is experiencing sexual harassment, “people don’t believe them, or their experiences are not being taken seriously,” Bandt-Law said.
>What’s worse, the findings apply to self-perception. If someone believes they aren’t conventionally attractive, they may doubt their own feelings of being targeted.
>“People might delude themselves into thinking they wouldn’t be sexually harassed,” Bandt-Law said, “and then not go to the human resources and report it.”

No. 1452615

>>1452592
Idk anon. I was an ugly girl growing up and scrotes were extremely cruel to me. I was bullied by girls the most often but the things that moids did were always the most painful. It's not that you're invisible to them, they just don't see you as a human. I was literally called 'this thing' by all the scrotes in my class and teachers would sit them, only them, not the girls, next to me as a 'punishment' and they'd literally cry and shit themselves because of how disgusting I was to them even though they were the ones who didn't wash their ass kek. But that's because I was outspoken and didn't let them push me around. All the ugly girls who were more shy and less assertive that I've known ended up groomed by loser scrotes they met online.

No. 1452625

>>1452592
And I was an unkempt geeky tomboy growing up yet men still chose to harass me. I had friends who were ugly and overweight and they were severely preyed upon. Chances are you have experienced sexual harassment but due to low self esteem you just don't realize it, that's exactly why scrotes choose people who they consider vulnerable. Like >>1452612 listed, society believes them to be "unharmed by it" as in "you should be grateful that SOMEONE is giving you attention" which warps the perception entirely. Not all sexual harassment is just catcalling or groping, it takes many different forms.

No. 1452660

>>1452125
NTA but come on. You know that's not what happened for most of them kek

No. 1452707

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>>1452615
I had the same experience growing up too. I am autistic, into anime, very tall and my friends were also vulnerable being overweight and or “weird”. Scrotes would bully us and say rude things whereas the girls didn’t care. It got to the point where I punched one on the bus and the based lady driver looked the other way and said he had it coming. I’ll never forget the time I was being heckled and the fattest girl in school stood up for me and screamed at the guy until he felt awkward and walked away. She’s my moms next door neighbour now and she’s lost all the weight since then. I never wanted to date any high school boy because of these fuckers and that was the best thing I could have ever done. My most notorious bully was outed as a pedophile on Facebook last year when an older teenager lied to him about being 13. The disgusting scrote still wanted to do shit with her after she said that. Moral of the story is to stick up for your vulnerable friends and to always have girls backs.

No. 1452760

>>1452526
This is not true. All the men I've been with has likes me for my interests, my intelligence and my sense of humor. It helps being an uggo, because men will never be attracted to my non-existing beauty. I feel for women who are very pretty because they seem to attract the worst scrotes.

No. 1452844

>>1452760
Lol it's cute that you think that but delusional.

No. 1452847

>>1452615
>>1452707
I thought we were talking about men trying to find women to be in an abusive relationship with, not boys in school being cruel. Obviously men were cruel to me all my life, but none ever wanted to exploit me for sex or whatever because they thought I was disgusting.

>>1452625
You are probably attractive despite not being feminine thats why men did that to you.

No. 1452893

>>1452847
You're really retarded if you think you have to be attractive in order to be harassed. Men will molest babies, harass old ladies and everything in between. Nobody is truly safe.

No. 1452919

>>1452847
As if their bullying in school doesn’t continue into adulthood. Once an abusive scrote will always be an abusive scrote. Girls who are “weird” will be bullied/harassed no matter how ugly or pretty they are. I never specified if I was ugly (yes I looked like emo coconut head) but being taller than all the boys didn’t help me. Short men will always feel threatened by a taller woman. The most important thing is to recognize that men like vulnerable people and will overpower them at any given opportunity.

No. 1452968

>>1450901
This comic has been one of my favorites since forever. It's so cute…

No. 1453055

>>1452847
Rape isn't about fucking someone you think is attractive retarda. It's an act of violence, meant to be humiliating and establishing power. You have no way of knowing if anon is attractive or not and are ignoring all the instances of mentioned by others when unattractive girls got harrassed, groomed, assaulted and so on.
You're literally talking like a scrote who doesn't believe that women get raped if he doesn't think they're hot enough. Worst of all, the way you're wording this sounds like you believe sexual harrassment is flattering and like you feel lesser because it hasn't happened to you. Just because YOU are lucky enough to not experience this shit doesn't mean some that some moid bs like
>only hot girls get preyed upon
or
>who would want to rape a fattie?
and so on have any merit. It never happened to you? Good, I hope it never does. Be grateful for it. But it is not because you were/are ugly. It's because you never at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong person.

No. 1453091

>>1452625
I mostly agree but don't claim that it must be that someone simply has poor self-esteem. I was completely ignored aside from occasionally being called an ugly freak and made fun of my height in high school. I had hair down to my waist but another girl thought I was a man, kek. Even after my weight loss in my 20s nothing changed. The last time a guy started a conversation with me it was in class when I was still a teen. Yeah, some women are targeted more than others and now I count myself lucky, but the problem is that the optics are like a poisoned swamp. There's so many millions of assholes that are ready to doubt a survivor that's deemed ugly and her experiences.

No. 1453102

>>1452615
I had the same experience with scrotes. I feel so blessed to have gone to an all girls school, but i still got bullied by scrotes from other schools at the bus stop who would laugh at me and sometimes say vaguely racist things about me being a black girl or what not, the the approval of their black moid friends at that! It pisses me off that most women will put these exact moids on a pedestal or follow their lead with bullying ugly girls and it really did make me resent other women for being fucking retarded and spineless. I get why the scrotes hated me, but i was especially disgusted by women/girls who felt the need to put down a woman for not being fuckable enough when it is of no concern to them.

>>1452592
People always dismiss this argument and it annoys me. Moids have options when it comes to finding prey. The thing is, ugly women are actually quite rare compared to women with inoffensive looks, so they have little motivation to go after a woman who is truly ugly. A lot of women call themselves ugly but are actually not ugly at all, just very plain which is good enough when it comes to attracting moids. My second point is that i feel like the biggest determining factor in all this is how easily the moids think they can get away with it. I tend to find women hang out with moids are going to always get harrassed compared to ones who don't even look them in the eye. They can kind of detect how easily socialable a woman is and they aren't going to bother with a woman who barely says anything, especially when they aren't attractive enough to warrant the effort or certain they can get sex out of them. It also depends on how much of a whore they determine a woman to be. I don't get harassed by scrotes at all, but i've determined that these features are probably the reason why they ignore me.

>>1452893
tbf yeah you do get harrassed, but the chances of being sexually harassed are greatly diminished, especially if you do not talk to scrotes in any capacity or ever get left alone with them. I'd say little to no communication with scrotes in general reduces your risk regardless of your levels of attractiveness because most assaults/rapes will be done by a moid you know and not a rando. They see ugly women as subhuman anyways, but it's always good to keep in mind that most scrotes would fuck animals too.

>>1453055
Nta, but i am sorry if ugly women saying they don't feel fear about being raped compared to more attractive women is offensive. If scrotes never go out of their way to get close to you, then it's safe to say your chances of being sexually assaulted are greatly diminished. personally i do not feel at risk the same way my friends who can socialise easily with men or get approached by them can. Most assaults or rapes are not done by strangers at the end of the day.

No. 1454513

>>1451960
>What is the worst type of NLOG?
>the ones obsessed with femininity, which is fine in itself, i just dislike how they try to make it seem dangerous in any way that matters. at least the ones who don't wear makeup are actually somewhat challenging the system – these types are just, huffing their own glitter-pink farts while thinking men are actually scared or impressed by their skirts and heels and eyeliner.
>counterculture that needs to announce itself as counterculture, or is otherwise indistinguishable from the status quo, is cringe to me. just shut the fuck up and kys

based.

>>1452449
>It honestly feels like this type of NLOG is the one who hates other women the most.
agreed, it's actually cringe that they think they're not like other girls.

No. 1454514

>>1452576
>Yeah, even when they show a tomboy or masculine character, they give them a makeover halfway through.
I hateeeee this.

No. 1454515

>>1451960
that pic- it feels like most "mean girls" that browse lolcow nowadays want to larp this stereotype now. Plus having an ugly moid boyfriend.

No. 1454516

>>1451960
when people like this who are obsessed with looking attractive for men in the most hyper feminine way possible to seek validation from them say they "hate men", I just can't believe it. Words are meaningless, it's all a game of pretend. They can't be aware of the shackles they've put themselves on. It's sad and if all of them truly and really hated men, things would be very different.

No. 1454535

>>1454515
A lot of losers roleplay as meangirls here and it's so funny tbh. They then write fanfics about how they'd steal other women's men if they were hot Stacies which further proves they believe hot women act %100 like how they do in scrote movies and actually compete for shitty men.

No. 1454839

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>>1454515
yeppppppp

No. 1455306

>>1451960
These women are so annoying. If you want to dress feminine or girly, just do it. No man is afraid of muh hyperfemininity. It comes off as self conscious that they enjoy gender conforming behavior. And there’s a million of these girls on Tiktok, meanwhile all the actual androgynous or gender non conforming women are calling themselves enbies. This never stops them from filling up the #androwomen tag, for some reason. Just two different types of NLOGs obsessed with how people perceive them instead of living their lives the way they are.

Nonas are right, for a lot of women being an nlog is your first foray into feminist analysis and realizing something is wrong with the world. Only self obsessed women continue calling themselves nlogs as adults. Those comics everyone plasters as proof that nlogs were terrorizing muh poor feminine gorls aren’t even about being a tomboy half the time, it was dumbass goth versus prep bs. Like how is a goth girl who wears lace and deep v-necks and skirts not feminine just because she does so in black and doesn’t smile? None of it makes any sense but now these comics will be trotted out forever as proof that evil non-feminine girls must repent for the sin of being imperfect thinkers at age 14 and never think about how gnc women are bullied.

No. 1455340

>>1455306
agreed with this post

No. 1455383

The entire “NLOG” phenomenon follows a very Christian narrative of bodily redemption. “I was bullied for being an aberrant woman and for not fitting the mold, and got mad at the people policing womanhood by affirming my courage in the face of immense pressure to be feminine — but now, I see the light!” The “light” = non critically becoming ultra-feminine as a survival strategy due to society shitting on you at every turn for being a weird or becoming non binary. Anyone who is meaningfully against pornography and sex positivity should see this for what it is: woman hating. This and the word “pick me” should be reserved for women who force the male gaze on others.

No. 1465948

>>1449853
i would never marry a man who had degenerate relations with a below average looking OF girl kek



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