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No. 1944397
This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse.
Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping> Ao3 Censorship and TOS> Sapphic Underrepresentation in Fandom> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads> Whitewashing vs Blackwashing> ‘[Insert Sexuality]-Coded’ Characters> Sapphic vs Fujo Misogyny Accusationsdon't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.
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>>>/ot/1923647 No. 1944404
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>>1944379Yeah it's been happening for awhile now. But with hp picrel is the sorta shit that's apparently been happening.
TL;DR the new jegulus shippers keep posting their shit in the jily tag
No. 1944428
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>>1944419Seems like it's less frequent considering 2023 was the latest I could find (then again, I'm not tumblr savvy). But they exist for both tim and tif headcanons.
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>weebs and troons overreact to Japanese communist party calling it's members to report obscene material.
No. 1944642
>>1944633Nothing at all. Hollywood is arguably just as bad if not worse for involving actual actors and actresses who get molested during their careers yet the UN doesn't give a single fuck so they'll never care about drawings, unless maybe if they're super realistic and representing children who actually exist.
>>1944629I hate that I recognize some of these guys. Even the few times when they want to post normal opinions that most people would agree with they sperg so hard that nobody listens to them. They're the type to greentext on social media.
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>>1944651Don't worry nonna. It looks like their mostly focused on seinen shit and are more concerned with how women are being portrayed in those works. Although himes might be affected
might even be a positive affect considering the state of japanese yuri No. 1944675
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>>1944660This is actually very true. There is this comic (the one in this picture) where the men had petite bodies (they are adults they just had petite bodies because they are vampires who gain energy and become bigger during the night but during the day they are small) and when the comic got uploaded as josei it got taken down but when it got uploaded as seinen it is still up and not taken down. So people are only moral when it comes to josei/women content.
No. 1944680
>>1944404It's obvious to me that Regulus is only popular now because Snape is now considered
problematic and Regulus is the only other redeemed Death Eater but because we know hardly anything about him they can pretend he became a flawless perfect angel, unlike Snape who stayed ugly and seething until he died. It's funny because Snape was so popular with older fans but new fans seem to see him as basically untouchable, says a lot about how fandom has evolved.
No. 1944683
>>1944676Do you want me to send you the official dlsite link or just the title?
Title: i serve twin vampires
Just a warning that the story contains non-consent in the beginning.
No. 1944689
>>1944677Yes it was on aggregator site and its on one of those where a majority of users are josei (or fujo) readers yet they get treated like crap by the moderators.
But at the same time i cant blame those lazy moderators because its actually the dumb pickmes who go around reporting josei works that they dont like trying to get it taken down.
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Simping for traditionally ugly male characters isn't something new in fandom, but holy shit, these women going "The ugly fat ogre is hotter than the bishounen" in mainstream fandom spaces are so annoying when they start to act as if their tastes were more mature and virtous.(baiting)
No. 1944947
>>1944945Nta but maybe because you retards won't shut the fuck up about it.
Make a moid character hate thread if you need to vent so badly.
No. 1944966
>>1944956>I don't like what the thread is actually for so I must spergJust make your own thread.
>>1944962Nonna must be heard. If she isn't able to coom looking at every male character then she must correct that.
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Are all female communities cursed to devolve into male dickriding? we already have lots of threads to praise ugly men, and they also get praised irl and in 99% of shows, why cant we have one single space to vent about them. They aren't even real.(baiting/derailing)
No. 1944985
>>1944973Coomerchan, are you unable to make a thread for some reason?
Also, isn't the hate thread and vent thread basically okay for that?
There's also the husbando ranking thread.
You have three places to vent already, seems like. What the problem with those?
No. 1945000
>>1944993Yes, absolutely. It's the worst when the character is in any way fruity or a crossdresser.
After Guilt Gear too, it's not impossible for a series to get pushed in that direction too. Scary times.
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>>1944782sorry your family didnt invite you to the Easter get together
No. 1945010
>>1944993I keep having thoughts to make a
terf fanfic on ao3 anonymously, but I fear ao3 might be too tra friendly
who knows, they might not care considering they have such low moderation already. Otherwise I usually just filter ao3 tags. Doesn't stop me from getting annoyed at it when I come across something untagged or I missed when filtering.
No. 1945013
>>1945008It's my worst nightmare.
Probably impossible u less they kill the author and make a tranny cloje but then you see so many trans headcanons screaming at how it's basically canon, ngl it's unnerving.
No. 1945024
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>>1944993Not a sonic fan but I saw this vtuber model recently and I thought "this is actually cute and well made" and then one of the toggles switched on displaying zipper tits, I lost my shit
No. 1945028
>>1945025Yeah, I basically opted out of English speaking fandoms as well.
Nowadays it's a bit easier, mtl'ing stuff. The issue is just how long it takes to do that.
No. 1945034
>>1945024lmaoo I can only imagine your reaction, I'd spit my drink in laughter if the vtuber went "wait a second…" then the little bobbing Shadow avatar got zipper tits from thin air.
I don't want to derail by ranting about trannies too much, but I find it baffling how deep inside TIFs don't want to be seen as men, they want to be seen as trannies, they want to flash everyone with their zipper tits to the point of slapping them on their dumb natal male husbando avatars.
No. 1945055
>>1944944These threads have never
not been a shitshow. I say this as the anon who made the very first "Psychology of Fandom Drama" thread a couple years ago.
No. 1945065
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>>1944993its annoying. I just want to see cute fanart of my favorite anime girls like Nami.
I dont want to see art of her with body hair, flab, and scars all over her body while having tranny flag tattoos all over her body. its so disgusting to look at im just gonna assume its a fetish to shock people.
No. 1945078
>>1945069nta but same. I think there's tons of interesting phenomena in fandoms to discuss. One thing that endlessly fascinates me is how badly the cancel culture has gotten over the years. I remember back during the days of tumblr the worst you'd really see was mean reblogs or maybe a harassing anon or two if you even had that one. But these days the new teenage fandom cohort has decided that death threats and trying to bully people out of their schools or job is actually fine for the most imaginative crimes. The bar for what's worthy of relentlessly harassing someone over has also become significantly lower. I still remember when the Zamii incident was something that was considered unique in how bad it was, but now there's a new
victim like her every day.
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>>1945082had to start relying on a handful of JP artists to find actual normal art of this chick. westerners have failed my girl so much. shocked they havent turned her black yet given shes a ginger.
No. 1945105
>>1945010AO3 doesn't take anything down. If they'll allow degen minorxadult fics, torture porn, and rape fics, they'll be hypocrites to take down
TERF fics.
No. 1945113
>>1945049I hate this too it happens to all my favorite m/m ships
>canon: close friends, A teases B a lot but they genuinely care about each other>fanon: B has a vagina and is turned into a weepy mess. has hardcore BDSM sex with A, who is a cold unfeeling daddy domthe way that the shy/weak/submissive one is always the one that is given a vagina is so transparently misogynistic
No. 1945120
>>1945105I tried looking up
terf fanfics on ao3 in the past and all I found at the time were fics made by trannies. I hope it's just a case of terfs not making fanfic that revolves around trannies.
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>>1945101Ok I'm back. I admit I'm mostly following accounts about video games, I stopped following anime and manga at some point because I got sick of seeing spoilers. I recently got into JJK and found artists I liked by using ship names in Japanese, like 五夏 instead of satosugu for instance. If you don't care about shipping in general try to find tags in Japanese for your favorite franchises or characters. If you're into fandoms where Western artists ship up Japanese tags with their bullshit, just block/mute their accounts and mute words related to troonism. I was very into Gintama and JJBA but artists I liked deleted their accounts or their work, or it's been posted a long time ago so you'll have to use nitter to find that stuff, like kotteri who almost only post her original stuff nowadays. Here are some artists I like:
>@zvlku does pretty good Pokemon art but often deletes his or her art which is annoying, then there's @036_yng, @umykwa, @tttto_f>for Persona there's @BTMR_2, @moni_nyan and @kaninn (who also draws a lot of BOTW art), and if you're into Megaten in general and not just Persona there's also @za210n, @GSLKey, @lilPong2, @tomasoup9639From that you'll have more artists recommended to you that post about the same fandoms, which means that if you follow these new ones or check their likes you'll find even more stuff.
There's more but basically I found a bunch of Japanese and Korean artists one tumblr who deleted their account in 2015 or 2016 so I moved to twitter to follow them there and follow more accounts that were recommended to me this way.
(derailing) No. 1947325
>>1947316Pro-shipping refers to being okay with "
problematic" pairings because they're fictional. Underage/adult, abuse, things like that. "Antis" are against it and think it's bad no matter the context. Both sides are overly dramatic and way too invested in fighting about it.
No. 1947347
>>1947339Some kids will say it's weird to ship teenagers if you're an adult, but I don't think it falls under the pro/anti ship discourse usually? Unless an adult is making porn of them? Idk, I'm not 12 anymore so I'm not involved enough in the "make cartoons kiss" scene to know the specifics
>>1947343Lol you made me remember the character in the show that crushed on L. She was a nerdy college student and her friend comments that it's weird to be attracted to L instead of Light. How cheeky of the author
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>>1947328In general most of the anime prior '20 would be considered
problematic now. Picrel, due a "bet" the characters tried to guess if this oni was a man or a woma
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>>1947359>In general most of the anime prior '20 would be considered problematic now.even nowadays anime is
problematic, remember when zoomzooms started crying and cancelling the author of demon slayer for giving the lolibait character big ass tits? these delusional weebs think loli characters are ''uwu wholesome donut lewd'' and then they get angry when the mangaka showns their true intentions. Same thing happened with Dragon Maid. They want their cake and eat it too. They could be watching non
problematic media that doesnt have all the pedo and sexualization problems anime has, but nah its easier to larp as an 'anti' and cancel mangakas that dont even know of your existence while still consooming their products.
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>>1947377I just saw this and everybody were missing the point: Ranma never experienced "gender dysphoria", he just got knocked out and thought he was a girl FOR HUMOUR! Because Ranma, even as Ranma-chan, always think in fighting and martial arts, not girly stuff. But no, Akana is not a real ally because she wanted boy Ranma rather than let Ranma be happy as a girl.
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>>1947387FR these people think Japanese do think like them.
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>>1947386They already have trannyfaggot characters like hibari kun, i dont know why they need to latch onto other characters that arent trannies. I guess they dont consider hibari kun a true and honest twans womyn because he's a closeted fag with an homophobic family instead of an AGP troon that wants to live his yuritroon fantasies.
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>>1947390>Akane is a TERFomg how based of her
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>>1947402definetly. It makes me laugh how he isnt as popular as other traps because he's a faggot whose love interest is a man and he's also fairly stylish rather than a walking coombait in a spinny skirt like astolfo or the catguy faggot from rezero
No. 1947412
>>1947386>>1947390Ranma's true self is a male though. I know these zoomer faggots are morons but that's the entire point of this story. Trying to stop the curse that turns him into a women and be normal again. Fuck, I hate zoomers so much.
Also, Akane has always been based.
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>>1947397>>1947402>Dress as a woman to caught the pervert moids that abuse women in public.>End up liking it and now thinks he's a woman.>>1947412And of course Akane never wanted to marry Ranma as woman, because is not the Ranma she knew, nor is the Ranma that liked martial arts. These people are stupid.
No. 1947439
>>1946898That had sensuality even though I don't touch mobage. I've seen worse "baihe" representation like bdsmshit, or unfortunate "pure friendship not gay btw" media because of censorship, so compared to that this was actually tastefully done, even if the target audience is moids.
>>1947316In 2013 I remember proshipping was the description given to fangirls who were like "I ship it to cope!!!" about pairings like Eren/Levi and shota pairings when they were asked "why are you in support of age gap and pedophilia?!" etc. Then I saw it become a description given to shippers who would ship "incest" ships like USUK from Hetalia. Or "
abusive" pairings like Rin/Haru from Free!! Or "agegap" like Shiro/Keith (kek). It just became a term used to mean "ship I don't like." There was even a call to "consume it but don't make it" but no one seemed to get that the current fic authors and fanartists were in their 20s and 30s? Until they did get it and suddenly the fic authors and fanartists need to be bullied for being pro! Unless they draw a non-pro ship to repent or something, or just deactivated a proshipper. Repeat for the next 10 years. I believe kicking out the good artists from fandoms increased the lack of skill passed down to younger fangirls and that's why there are so many discourse accounts instead of art/fic makers. Also potential artists got discouraged from the fandom culture so didn't even share anything. This kind of fandom behaviour also influenced "identifying as lgbt when straight" because it was a cushion identity that put you above criticism. Pronouns in bio were for when you didn't pass online and had to remind people to check themselves.
Pro-shipping nowadays seems to mean anything deemed objectively bad like "material that re-traumatises" to subjectively bad like "I hate this so I'm going to make a big deal out of it", but I think the original meaning behind it was partly concern over your fellow teenage friends reblogging unhealthy shit onto your dashboard you were forced to see if you didn't use tumblr savior (laptops/phones/ipod touches were becoming more accessible so 12-14 year olds were gaining access to fandom spaces and had watched their friends get groomed on msn/skype/kik and tumblr in previous years, so I think it was partly related to that). But also you have to remember that this was back when porn was allowed on tumblr and porn gifs were common, so fandom saw "pedoships" as bad ("because you could get groomed!!") but didn't blink twice at actual porn and blogs created specifically for submitting nudes (a homestuck cosplay blog existed dedicated to this, huge accessible fandom with lots of 14 year olds), and then you also have to remember that a genuine question that would get thrown around is "Why aren't there any fat people on your pornblog? Are you fatphobic?" So a lot of users had warped values kek.
I believe the MPD trend started because fangirls were fed up of explaining themselves as to why they shipped "proships" and started saying "that wasn't me, that was my other personality". Because that actually was a thing I saw until
that was called out. Then kinning became a trend because iirc it was seen as a more honest way to ship a proship if you were to say you kin a character and need to be paired with your otp. Then "kinning outside your race" was racist, so DID became a thing because that way your fictional characters were your "alters" and not actually you. Basically mental illness larping started in fandoms because fangirls were adapting to ways of avoiding being controlled and getting randos off their back (blocking did nothing on tumblr back then people could still interact and harass others). Basically "proshipping" was just another extension of fandom drama among other fandom dramas about hardcore ship wars. If anyone else has experiences with fandom drama I would love to hear it.
Anyway this has a decent explanation for jp artists, who had to start blocking western people on twitter for making a big deal out of "proshipping"
https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce No. 1947451
>>1947439Ugh you made me remember how people used to ship UsagixNezumi in this anime/VN Juni Taisen: Zodiac War until it was learned that Nezumi (the rat boy) was still in HS (he was 17) and suddenly all the pairings were
problematic and became in a "not fun allowed".
I really miss the anime, but not the fandom.
No. 1947483
>>1947478i think because these women consume and are part of fandoms made by men. Its why they consume chainsaw man despite having a ''
problematic'' relationshp between the ''dommy mommy'' and the protagonist.
No. 1947511
>>1947480yeah at this point if youre an anime/manga fan and want to be active in fandom, at this point learning extremely basic japanese is a must (and a nice gatekeeper too for the severely mentally ill/people with no critical thinking skills).
You can learn basic elementary JP within a year of hardcore grinding and its well worth it.
No. 1947544
>>1947289I don’t care about gachaslop at all kek, I said that in my post. I am simply salty about people (not just zoomers, said that in my post too) holding fanservice up as uber cool rep for whatever alphabet they subscribe to. I don’t like that young girls are losing their ability to recognize creep shit either. Just because something involves women into women does not mean it isn’t for men. In most cases, it is.
That in itself is FINE even I enjoy the occasional jp kyaaa we’re both girls trope shit if the art is pretty enough I just want the target audience recognized kek. I get tired of seeing corpos and male authors praised for being “ahead of their time” (this gets applied to Ikuhara a LOT) when they just have lesbian fetishes/like yuri.
No. 1947549
>>1947511Absolutely agree with you. Learning basic Japanese is a must at this time to not interact with actual retards.
Random: but people still watch anime dubbed and I don't understand their existence.
No. 1947575
>>1947439>Basically mental illness larping started in fandoms because fangirls were adapting to ways of avoiding being controlled and getting randos off their backI feel like this also partially explains the amount of TIF's in fandoms. You can't call someone out and gather your mob with torches and pitchforks if they're "an honest queer MLM" who's into yaoi and proship stuff, they can just do an uno reverse on you and suddenly you're the
problematic one targeting gays and being homophobic. People basically have a free pass to harass, police, and threaten women in fandom and get off scot free
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>>1947575ramble ahead: I was talking to a close friend of mines about how this kind of resembles people that end up with mental disorders or pick up on other self destructive defense mechanisms in order to survive
abusive environments. Like how someone could become low empathy because they grew up in an environment where everything they cared for was ripped from them.
In this case I guess in order to be a western nerd that wants to talk to modern day nerds in English on mainstream websites you have to bow down and adapt to this bullshit (which in turn just turns you into another
abusive POS. continuing the cycle if you will) or you'll face constant abuse by others.
At this point being bilingual is a blessing, and even learning something as easy as Spanish can get you miles away from these people as far as the mainstream internet goes since most latinos just want to enjoy their media and not deal with politics like Americans do.
No. 1947623
>>1947615oh god theyre infiltrating.. ok then I guess learning a language thats not on germanic branch or any language thats easy for English speakers to learn is the best thing to do kek.
reminds me of old school internet pre SM where the only way you could get substantial usage out of it was if you knew basic html coding to make your own webpage, which anyone could do with some dedication and effort if they really wanted to.
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>>1945055Honoured to meet you, nona. I happen to be the dumbass who made the first of these fandom discourse threads, kek.
No. 1947626
>>1947615I'm from a sudaca country and I can confirm: The fandoms gets retarded as well, specially with a non-conforming gender character. Which is hella stupid because I got this
>>1947386 from someone who forgot the entire plot of Ranma 1/2.
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>>1945055>>1947624You two are iconic, thank you for your services
No. 1947687
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Zoomers' ship wars are something else, I just saw jjk fans shit talking each other because they ship the same two guys but not in the same orders and now they're accusing each other of being problematic but checking which version of this pairing has the most fanfics tagged as noncon on AO3. Sometimes I wish this kind of arguments would happen irl so they could realize how stupid they sound. Imagine if a massive fight broke in an anime con because several girls sperged too hard over the specific headcanons they have for their shared OTP.
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>>1947687This is fucking hilarious what the fuck? The ship becomes
problematic if the wrong guy is topping? Please post caps
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>>1947691Here's the tweet that started this whole mess, it doesn't have a lot of notes but now instead of just seeing fanarts I'm seeing girls with too much free time posting vague, indirect insults towards each other.
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>>1947704>>1947699From what I understand it's a matter of all of them arguing over which is more ooc.
>>1947708Asian fujoshi would sperg too if someone was that upfront, but they keep that shit to themselves. I just checked the next June Bride Fes event in Tokyo and several pairings are treated as separate categories just because of who's on top so the fujoshi selling their comics won't start shit with each other.
No. 1947733
>>1947719>Asian fujos tag shit properly.With English speaking fans this doesn't matter if you tag things properly because instead of muting tags of things they don't like, people tend to just lurk and shit talk others. You just saw here
>>1947704 that the first girl used a proper ship name commonly used by Western fans and then the accurate ship name in kanji and it wasn't enough kek. Asians are more like "don't like don't read" but that's an old concept that we need to bring back here.
No. 1947735
>>1947704Why is this
problematic? They just look like two anime guys. Is there something I'm missing? I don't watch jjk
No. 1947737
>>1947735It's not
problematic, they just don't like the ship and want to shit on it but dress it up in moralfag language because that's all twitards know
No. 1947742
>>1947735It's not the pairing itself that they consider
problematic in that specific case but how they're portrayed in fanfics or fanarts or some shit. Although you'll find some people shit talking the characters themselves for
being violent sociopaths or racist, especially Geto the guy with black hair and saying if you want them to be a couple
which would actually make enough sense for even some powescaling shonentards to find this idea understandable you're also a racist.
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>>1947735Most recent chapter had Gojo say something heckin
problematic (even though he apologized for it) so fans are reacting weirdly to it
No one cared about picrel tho lol. Saw someone jokingly say “aren’t they all kawaii people”
No. 1947767
>>1947758No Geto is the racist one, his whole ideology is how he wants to genocide non-sorcerers because they create curses. He also goes around and calls humans monkeys and shit, this was after he got his ass beat by a non-curse user who referred to himself as a monkey.
Gojo is very explicitly against this idea which is why they stop being friends.
No. 1947781
>>1947767Who cares though? Geto's whole thing was the classism in the world was bs. How humans who were weaker controlled sorcerer and their moves. By law, a sorcerer cant harm humans, but humans have harmed sorcerer's before. (like the two little girls he found in the early arc who were clearly beat up by the villagers before he showed up.)
Calling humans monkeys is basically the same as calling them simpletons who haven't evolved past a certain state. It's not much different than Voldemort's antics to rid the world of muggles and make it pure wizard born.
I wish people would also understand he's a fictional character and it aint that deep. lmao
No. 1947785
>>1947782Yeah they're acting like normies with no superpowers at all are a separate race as 0.1% of the population who have superpowers in that specific setting. It's exactly like
>>1947781 said with how some Harry Potter fans or haters will say that JKR is secretly racist because she wrote antagonists committing crimes against muggles.
>I wish people would also understand he's a fictional character and it aint that deepBut anon, don't you know? fiction affects reality! If you play GTA it's only a matter of time until you kill real people!
No. 1947798
>>1947785I appreciate your post so much, kek
Reminds me of when someone randomly messaged me on IG to tell me
they hated Geto so much and I was a shit person was cosplaying him. Like, okay?? It's wild how some people are when they dont leave their houses irl No. 1947800
>>1947782No most people just jokingly call him racist because it’s stupid. His whole journey to becoming a villain is hilarious (he’s forced to eat the curses non-curse users generate because it’s his ability and after a mission going horribly wrong he questions what’s the point in defending the weak) i promise you most people don’t take the manga or anime that seriously. JJK is like a meme machine .
Same with calling Gojo racist it’s just a joke. I know most of the users here don’t interact with the fandoms they make fun of.
Idk if over on twitter they take it seriously but at least on reddit/tiktok/instagram they don’t not really. The screenshot you’re all raging at is such a microcosm of the fandom. Recently people have been hating on the manga because it’s quality has been dwindling for a very long time but imo it was always mediocre
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No. 1947848
>>1947687I don't even ship yaoi but here's how ship wars work 99% of the time now
>dislike ship>try to find 'valid reason' to dislike it>if the step above fails just make something up>start attempting to booly over the thing you made up in your head>if that doesn't work make the accusations more and more egregious until it sticks>all this could've been avoided by just not liking somethingIn the most generous interpretation I guess this stems from pressure to like a ship transforming into having to justify yourself by any means necessary, but is it really? Most of the time you could chalk it to standard retardation and middle school slapfighting.
No. 1947852
>>1947800Yeah, the quality dropped significantly after the Shibuya arc, or chapter 153+
I just couldnt bring myself to care anymore about finding out Geto was really dead and then they killed off Megumi and Gojo. Once it become clear the mangaka just wanted to draw a sea of endless fighting. Including characters just to fight and die 10 chapters later, it got exhausting. I liked it so much in the beginning, but I hate what JJK had become. I'm still gonna enjoy the merch and cosplay Geto, but damn, it sucks so much now.
No. 1947860
>>1947859Tumblr made it so the more verbose you are and the more justifications you have to like something the more heckkking
valid you are.
No. 1947869
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Have you ever left a fandom because the discourse around it and the fanbase itself became too unbearable?
Specially those fandoms where the main face of it became tumblr/twitterfags, tiktok zoomers, gendies or whatever other inescapable annoying thing.
The first fandom I was really invested in and jumped ship from because of this reason was Homestuck. I don't think it needs further explanation.
No. 1947884
>>1947859They really do, and I hate them for it. You can like a character without having to write a 20 page essay on why they are
valid in your eyes. I literally don't care that you like Cloud strife, even if I personally think he's trash.
No. 1947890
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>>1947872I think Steven Universe was the start of people creating asinine reasons to hate something. I remember when the UG x SU crossover was coming out and a bunch of its fans were making a big deal on tumblr saying the show glorified incest and all this terrible shit and called the show racist etc. and started harassing actual showrunners because it dared to have one crossover non canon episode with tumblr's darling at the time.
they sperged out for days at this scene in the gif because they felt as if the show was making fun of them kek (now that i look back at it i wonder how many of these people were either schizophrenic or were copying how everyone else was reacting for attention because lol)
No. 1947920
>>1947899I agree with this, as someone who was in the fandom at the time (OP). There were some sjw Homestuck headcanons during the beginning of Tumblr, but it was mostly socially inept weeaboo shit and didn't get discourse-y until the social justice trends which were running parallel on the site catched on.
I remember Disney and normie liberal white girl hobbies being a lot more infested with weird woke shit at the time than Homestuck, but Homestuck was probably the beginning of it spreading to "nerd" fandoms and hobbies as the most popular fandom during the time virtue signaling started to trend.
Then he truly fucked it up by acknowledging the fanbase (Alpha kids/trolls). At that point there was no going back and it's when I dropped it.
BTW, Korra fandom on Tumblr was also where I first started seeing a lot of bitching over whitewashing, that's the one that teached me about the concept which is such a popular discourse on Twitter now kek. But to me, Homestuck definitely popularized blackwashing, gendie shit, drawing everyone completely off model, "x character can be anything you want it to be!" mentality. Headcanons got really out of control in that fandom and now we're here.
No. 1947958
>>1947869I could tolerate
toxic fandoms since i usually just enjoy things on my own, but i stupidly got into vtubers and the downside that comes to that is that they're interactive so any fandom schizo that was mad with a vtuber because they werent collabing enough etc. were able to just shit up chat and ruin an entire stream. I gave up watching them after that experience but it really did open my eyes to how bad things can really get and that there's some serious mental illness in fandoms.
No. 1947964
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I know this might seem like a joke, but I genuinely have respect for Sonic fans. Despite the entire Internet making fun of them forever now, I have never seen a fandom be as genuine as they are and I really wish more fandoms could be like them, not liking stuff only through layers of irony or pure coom, but just being passionate about it.
No. 1948007
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So how about that fanon vs canon
I, for one, enjoy seeing tumblrfag memes be turned against them
>>1944629>THERES A JAPANESE COMMUNIST PARTY?!?!jfc this is what happens when your knowledge of a country comes entirely from memes
No. 1948173
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>>1948109Ironic weebs will see this and go ''omg i love wlw shappic representation!!'' I cant believe ironic weebs can be this naive, they are the same kind to praise Sonico as some body positive representation for women rather than understanding she's a coom mascot
No. 1948249
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>>1947899>>1947920I was in the fandom in the early 10s and I remember an earlier, I guess pre-2012-ish era where the culture was fairly politically incorrect, tons of questionable fan content made that involved characters acting 'ghetto' as a joke, it was a free for all on shipping and sexual content, and all characters were drawn as bishified anime boys/girls.
I remember more general, not just homestuck related posts going around criticising bishified art and the tendency of tumblr users to make human versions of things skinny white people. In particular I remember these Don't Hug Me I'm Scared (the old youtube short film version) gijinkas that went around for a while really setting off that discourse, people were annoyed that they were often drawn as a het couple too. These kinds of criticisms never went away even though the phenomena significantly died down as a response to the criticism.
This atmosphere where people were suddenly very aware of how they were drawing characters and how it might have wider implications was created and it was like there was this unspoken rule that if you were going to draw the kids with human skintones at least one of them should be sort of brownish (usually Jake) and at least one should be chubby (usually Jane).
No. 1948255
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>>1948249God the artist who drew the pic you posted, Ikimaru, was
so overrated. Hasn't improved in almost fifteen years and she has a terrible case of same-face. Picrel is something she drew like a week ago.
No. 1948256
>>1947554Most RGU fans dislike him now after old tweets about him sexually harassing girls surfaced. What I find funny is how you literally couldn't criticize the series without getting called misogynistic/etc. when no one knew about that stuff but now all of the fans are acting like they knew it had bad elements the whole time as if they weren't shutting down anyone else who said something slightly negative about it.
Even before the groping stuff there was still weird shit about him regarding women. In an interview he said something about only wanting women in the anime industry and him as the only male which fans spun as an epic feminist take. There was also a joke in Sailor Moon about him being lecher with tranvestites/crossdressers as the punchline which you'd think would be cancel-worthy to them but nope, no one cared until now.
No. 1948273
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>>1948041>>1948075>>1948085I figured it out. It's the exact kind of shit you'd expect; retards calling the person -ists and -isms because apparently it's bigotry to draw a character on-model.
No. 1948283
>>1948173It makes no sense to me how normalfags cannot see obvious coomerism even when it hits them in the face. So many anime girls are the embodiment of "she breasted boobily down the stairs" but
you're the weird one for perceiving it the way it was intended instead of being delusional and naive like them.
No. 1948306
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>>1948293I always thought that was cute, and I liked reading the little comics they wrote about each other. There's a funny anecdote about how when she'd work as a colorist on HxH (between Sailor Moon projects) she'd color it badly on purpose to make it resemble Togashi's style more.
No. 1948317
>>1948285That's my mantra as well.
>>1948284Specially from TIFs, who claim that is not made by fujoshi/feel horrified that "women see them like fetish" (lolwut) and be horrified when they see bara art (real gay art made for gay people in Japan).
No. 1948321
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>>1948308depends tbh. its a bit more colorful than the other artist.
No. 1948390
>>1947869Yeah i stopped watching SU out of embarrassment for the fandom . Started getting into SU again via tiktoks and made me realize that I wish I had continued watching the show back then.
I got into JJK for the opposite reason, I think the show is whatever but the fandom is hilarious and it’s fun to praise or shit on Gege because like others said, JJK is one massive shitpost
No. 1948488
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I'm stoned and thought that
>>1948255 was supposed to be fanart of human Alastor and human Lucifer like picrel at first
>>1948249 I remember this exact pic of the fucking anthropomorphized clock and notepad from Dont Hug Me Im Scared going around on 2012-ish Tumblr kek
No. 1948555
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>>1947964>but I genuinely have respect for Sonic fansWhy? They're fucking Sonic fans
>Autistic>Furries>Arguably produce more porn than main fandom furries though>Had to irony shitpost on twitter for about a decade because no one liked them unironically>The number one producer of lolcows>Particularly those who sleep with their mothers>All for a crappy game franchise about a blue hedgehog No. 1948557
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>>1948173Slightly OT but got reminded of this famous doujin author rant.
No. 1948565
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This is what imagine what most swifties are like.
No. 1948728
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>>1948557What the fuck. Taking
victim blaming to a whole new level
No. 1948736
>>1948557We could make an entire thread on this type of japanese doujin artist autism
>>1948713I hate yurishit but morinaga milk is so talented.
No. 1948801
>>1948728This sentiment is the norm in japanese fandom. You rarely see it discussed in western fandom though, I think it's so alien to most western fans that they don't even pick up on it.
If a female character has had sex with a man, including rape and CSA she is impure and ruined forever. A non-virgin female character will only have a main role or be a love interest to the main character if you're making something deliberately transgressive, or if it's something written 20+ years ago when these norms weren't in place.
>>1948730It was closer to the attitude towards furries today IMO.
No. 1948822
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>>1948807It's kinda funny to look back and see how certain content like guro and lolisho weren't made a big deal of back then in the online art community like it is today, with furries it's the complete opposite like the other anon said.
No. 1949012
>>1948256Ikuhara is straight? Not defending his actions if he harassed women, but given his appearance, faggy mannerisms in interviews, and crossplaying habit, I’m surprised he’s interested in women at all.
As a lesbian I always preferred RGU and especially Adolescence of Utena over other yuri content because the lesbians are simply more interesting. Morinaga Milk is good but even Girl Friends, which is basically Shakespeare by Yuri standards, doesn’t have the same level of drama and angst as Juri’s arc in RGU, Yuri Kuma Arashi which was also made by men iirc, or lesbian characters written by Riyoko Ikeda who’s a straight woman. There are a few satisfactorily complex lesbian manga written by lesbians (thinking of Pieta and Applause) but they’re short and very obscure. Lesbians are only 1% of the human population so maybe that’s just how it is.
No. 1949016
>>1949012He's prob bi or "queer" whatever you call it. He's a yurifag and i'm shocked he hasnt trooned out yet.
I also remember he was crushing hard on Rei from sailor moon back when he was working on the show.
No. 1949029
>>1949025Same goes for Ryukishi kek
I like a lot of his work but his loli vtuber alone is proof that he would have trooned out if he wasn't Japanese.
No. 1949032
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You can’t make this shit up.
No. 1949034
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Not to derail with jjk again but holy shit I can’t stop laughing kek wtf
No. 1949036
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Samefag (not my screenshots btw)
No. 1949045
>>1948801Aren't more incelish moids on that hill too? Knew two guys who swore off waifus with partners bar none.
>>1948937Japan simply doesn't give a fuck. Can be bad or good dependent on who you ask but with so many sjws shoving DEI guidelines (read: troon pandering), It's miracle japan managed as they do in this hellscape. I may hate all the lolipandering and coomshit, but one of the few places that really get the female gaze sometimes. Not always, but given the sprawling joseimuke scene, it's night and day compared the abysmal state of women-aimed media in the west. You can't have a straight, fit fmc with a handsome mmc without retards screeching buzzwords like it's a free for all shooting gallery.
>>1949012>>1949016I'm curious why those aren't same sexaility and sex as the character craft better stories than the people who share these aspects? It's not a one and done theory since a straight man can never empathize with a gay man let alone lesbian despite both liking women. It's why transbian writing can be clocked so dang easily. No lesbian worth shit adds piv centric sex in their scenes unless they're a pick-me or a virgin.
>>1949040Lack of good role models mentally degrades a person's mind until they meme themselves into a new skinsuit. If actual gnc people existed in television and weren't forced troon, half these guys would reconsider and stick with being themselves, not a porn fetish.
No. 1949062
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>>1949036>>1949034The only example I have seen of wokies ever being in the right was a recent case when this woke dude wrote an article that was the most clichéd noble savage type rhetoric about the poor Japanese. Then tons of Koreans, Chinese, Singaporean and Filipinos chimed in expressing their complaint that the country that colonized them and subjected women to mass rape on an Industrial scale, wasn't actually ever colonized.
No. 1949093
>>1949061Most east asian artist make good stuff period. maybe even slavs though some of them are either tied up with the war or slowly getting affected with burger brainworms. Some days I wished I could capture those vibes in my work.
>>1949050>>1949068>plus sized>glorifying obesityCan we let characters be ugly in 2024? Why do these people put "body diversity" on such a huge pedestal when "men" have enough body diversity than is. Where's media with women being diverse but the guys share the same body mold?
No. 1949197
>>1949050I don't think this person is even really into fat guys. It's a variant of the attitude behind those posts that feature a woman with some horrible deformity labelled 'Like if you think this is true beauty!'. Hyping up a fat character to try and balance the world in it's favour against the aformentioned skinny white man 128. I don't think it's entirely self interested virtue signalling, to some degree people who act like this really can't stand looking at the inequality once they've noticed it and want to do something about it.
>>1949127Everyone was pushed onto the internet and started spending more time there than ever before. Transgenderism is an inevitable consequence of living this way when combined with western individualism. When you're just text and an optional manipulatable image you can be anything you feel like. Much lower barrier to entry than having to put effort into crossdressing IRL. There are lots of reasons for wanting to be the other gender (obviously this doesn't actually make it real or true) and I think they were drawn out by the welcoming environment more than anything. It's mentioned up the thread but all those CGDGT autists in japan clearly have that tranny spark in them but without the environment it doesn't go anywhere.
>>1949118He actually wrote some game which came under controversy because it had a theme about how men could never be women or understand women. I don't think he has much understanding of the concept really. Assuming older japanese (or western tbh) media involving gender bending themes were talking about 'trans issues' as we know them today is a mistake IMO. Those elements were not really thought of with any consideration to there being people like that in real life and any politics surrounding them. It's just a plot twist, 'character you thought was a woman is really a man!'.
No. 1949603
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This is TIM's contribution to fandom spaces in a nutshell. everything should be about pornofied lesbian tropes.
No. 1949728
>>1949628Romance arguments are funny.
Harems are really just sports teams.
No. 1950218
>>1950203>But now we can't criticize Alice for shoving straight sex and fetish porn in our faces because he discovered his womanly lesbian identity from reading Madoka Magica lolicon doujins.its funny how all sense of boundaries have been completely erased in fandom because of this shit. People used to be able to call a spade a spade back in the day, like if they saw a dude being obsessed with yuri he'd be called a creep and avoided like the plague (like Tom Preston and his lesbian obsession for ex), and western fandom as a whole was better for it. Sometimes certain people NEED to be bullied out of spaces because that's our instincts telling us something is wrong with that person.
Now we all have to stick our heads in the sand against reality because we can't say "no" to people anymore, and even if you make your own spaces to get rid of these people they somehow find where you are and try to control you. its fucking tiring.
No. 1950274
>>1950246I was definitely a scaredy cat as a kid and wouldn't dare to look past the first 3 results on any search engine including YouTube (I also stuck to YouTubers that my older siblings knew and had watched with me). Although I do remember the .exe games, but I remember the sonic one the most and I was pre-traumatized by final destination so it didn't leave that much of an impression on me.
>>1950251>Happy Tree FriendsSee I knew it existed but as a kid I thought it was dumb ways to die under a different name so I never bothered to look into it.
No. 1950281
>>1950176It's a nightmare nonita. TBH my sentiments on moid characters in fandom would probably get me compared to the trannies shitting up fandoms with muh
toxic yuri but I'm so tired of men men men all the time. Men as the fandom favourite, men in your alleged F/F art because girlcock is totes
valid!! men in your F/F art but it's okay, it's not like muh icky genderbends, it's wholesome T4T transmasc content!1!!!1 Men are the ones drawing this shit, men are the ones forcing their degenerate tranny headcanons onto their 'transition goals' characters, even the most annoying TIFs can't compare to them, men are so fucking centric to fandom experience these days that you just can't get away from them no matter what. This is what years of tranny pandering gets you. I miss my groups of fellow spergs who had genuine love for our female favourite characters and F/F ships.
No. 1950357
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>>1950330nta but mpreg and cuntboys have become almost almost standard these days.
No. 1950388
>>1950371Why are you so
triggered that you’re defending moids’ need to degen everything they touch? Whether they specifically meant to target kids or not they were still wasting their lives doing this and effect was the same and possibly inspired real elsagate context
No. 1950423
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>>1950411Manchildren bronies were the ones making this content. The people getting hurt by it were little girls who were the intended audience for the show. And most parents supervising their kids on the internet would be forgiven for assuming that these preview images, whose art style looks identical to the show to a layperson, meant the video is safe for their children to watch.
No. 1950426
>>1950221I remember this. I lived in NYC for decades and the raise of Bronys began around 2009/2010-ish. That's around the time the first bronycon happened. There was a lot more info on meetup.com. The head organizer was a MTF tranny. I forgot their name, but his avatar was purple. It was wild. He and a buncha other men and maybe 2-3 other women organized bronycon. I had no idea it would ever get big enough to end up at the Baltimore convention center one year. They even got big name voice actors one year.
At first I thought it was okay, but then I realized how much bigger it got that it was a bunch of adult men talking very seriously about a little girls' cartoon. On top of that, that's when MLP porn started happening. As a kid of the 90s, I would have never in my life thought about the future involving MLP porn. I hate men so much.
No. 1950430
>>1950263I was just talking about Happy tree friends and a bunch of new grounds animation with my 34 year old friend last night. We both grew up on that, happy bunny, the old Hot topic etc. I think gen z and gen a are a buncha whining cowards. They would have never survived our generation. kek
>>1950278Thank you. it reminds me of when I was in jr high school and my teacher thought all japanese anime was for kids, when I brought up old school shit like Ninja scroll and wicked city. "Just because it's animated, means its aimed at kids." oh boy
No. 1950470
>>1950419Kids shouldn't be on the internet in the first place, then.
You're on a site like this and you think degeneracy is something that can be controlled and blocked away entirely? It's should be illegal to let a kid fuck around on the internet before the age of 14 tbh.
No. 1950522
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>>1950518Hmmm you’re right the only zoomers who had seen anything like invader zim were terminally online it’s not like half the kids at school had a gir shirt and silly bands while the other half had mustache and boobies bands
No. 1950527
>>1950431Why the fuck does it matter if they were bronies or not TBH? They're degenerate men and they should all be hanged, I'll cop a ban for A-logging. The grown men spending their free time making gore videos of a kid's TV show are just as retarded and manchildish as the bronies.
Do I believe children's internet access should be heavily restricted? Yes. But I also believe these degen moids should be punished for putting this content there in the first place. I don't care about muh slippery slope, it's a fucking kid's show and they put this shit out there knowing some innocent kid who made the horrible mistake of googling Pinkie Pie or some shit is gonna stumble across it because they make no effort to actually filter it either.
No. 1950532
>>1949628From the normiest men to the most delusional otaku, in that order:
>making 5 hours long "theory" videos about what will probably happen in the next episodes, chapters, seasons, etc.>powerscaling among characters from the same franchise>powerscaling among characters from different franchises, for example is Goku stronger than Superman>normies shonentards and coomer otaku arguing over fanservice and whether it should be a thing or not, with usually opposite opinions>if a story is actually well written or not, sometimes with good arguments, most often with "if I were that character I wouldn't have done that so it's badly written, [author] is a hack!!!">comparing stories to shit talk the ones they dislike, or console wars, insulting people who just enjoy the things they don't like >shipping but not exactly the same way women do, especially if they're talking about harem shit or love triangles, basically with a "who will win" mindset, see Tifa VS Aerith or Rei VS Asuka>related to shipping, harassing the female audience whether they're into het ships or slash, or if it's just something with fanservice for women like Free!! or Yuri on Ice, usually presented like this "reeeeh it's not canon because they haven't french kissed in front of the camera for an hour straight!!!!" or "fangirls are disgusting why are they joking they want to fuck the hot male characters with fanservice scenes in that show? btw the main actress is hot, would">somewhat still related but straight shonentards actually having constructive debates with fujoshi over gay stuff, very strange to see, for instance that one time in twitter where they were using powerscaling arguments and references to buddhism to determine that yes, one of the male characters can use his superpowers to get pregnant in JJK>getting into a new franchise just to enjoy all the fanmade porn>destroying their books, cds, blurays, etc. of whatever they used to enjoy and posting pics online to show how outraged and disgusted they are that a female character isn't a kissless virgin, sending death threats to the writer No. 1950533
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>>1950527It’s such a retarded cope that makes me wonder if anon was a closeted brony. Yes these people spending hundreds of hours on animations that just happen to know all of the personality quirks of the characters revealed in the show as well as obscure brony memes were totally not bronies, honest!
>>1950528Ok zoomer
No. 1950561
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>>1950548There really is no excuse for being a lazy parent nowadays
>b-but i need to entertain my childrenget disney+ and but them a switch or toys or books
>b-but they need the internet for schoolbe a god parent and make them company while they work on their hw, that way you can supervise them
>b-but what if there is an emergency, they need mobile phonesthey sell super basic mobile phones that are just for calling/receiving messages, some even have whatsapp and other instant messaging apps installed, they dont need tiktok or social media
No. 1950567
>>1950561This is depressing. When I was growing up, we had one tv and all the gaming consoles were in the family living room. We were not allowed to have tv in our bedrooms. I had a laptop in 2012, but even that was basic and ran slow. I was mostly entertained by drawing, reading books and going outside. These gen z kids are literally rotting in front of an ipad all day. No matter they are all fat and retarded.
Agree with you. If they need emergency cellphones for contact, it should be restricted heavily. Kids under 16 dont need social media. My niece got tiktok at 11 years old and it definitely rotted her. She's been reading tranny acceptance books and I pray she doesnt troon out by the time she's 18.
No. 1950574
>>1950571i miss livejournal so much
nonny. I also remember i used to trace anime art on da and i once got caught and was 'cancelled', good times.
No. 1950588
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>>1947386I had to see that post again. Fuck the people that missed the whole point of the manga and fuck the tims.
No. 1950834
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>>1950357On the opposite end of the spectrum, there's picrel where a female character isn't just given a muscular body, but is essentially made male in almost every aspect. It's essentially elaborate Rule 63.
No. 1950845
>>1950817ayrt and what i meant is that at least back then there were places for children to enjoy with each other and yet they still could find perverse shit of their interests. everything is so much worse now that children's sites basically don't exist anymore, children are even more online and the perverse shit is much easier to find.
of course part of the fault falls on unaware/negligent parents who don't check what their children are watching, because even elsagate is gross and inappropiate as fuck despite being marked as content for kids.
No. 1950848
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>>1950834I have to ask, why do these morons never use real-life athletes or strong women as references to draw strong female characters instead of just copy-pasting the roided male bodybuilders?
picrel is the strongest female
No. 1950939
>>1949628Of the ones I see most on /a/…
>Asuka vs Rei (and lately Kensuke x Asuka vs Asushin posting)>Emilia vs Rem>Which route is the true route in fate stay night>Erased's 'NTR' ending (fujos took over shortly after that)>Yuri vs het shippers>Homura vs Sayaka (who was in the right)>Bakugou cucking Deku and general Deku hate threadsI avoid everything relating to shounen when I can, but I assume it's just a lot of power level fagging from hispanic teens.
No. 1950947
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>>1950221By no means am I about to defend bronies here; I hate the way they colonized something for girls and made the fandom an actively hostile place to be a woman. If you claim to have been "traumatized" by retarded edgy pony shit online, you don't know what trauma even is. Sure, these kids' parents were negligent retards for letting Uncle Internet babysit their kids, but seeing gore of a cartoon for toddlers is the kind of "problem" people with no actual problems have.
No. 1950962
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>>1949032Are we seriously at the point where we're critiquing peoples' sexual taste for not being diverse enough? I guess that makes sense, it's the logical conclusion of the whole whole "genital fetish" nonsense. Let's just treat what makes a woman's pussy wet like it's a hiring process and it has to be representative of world demographics. As if women aren't aggressively shamed enough for their sexualities.
No. 1950968
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>>1950947It's so dumb too, the analogue horror ''fandom'' is filled with children, same with FNAF. Horror has always existed on the internet. I honestly think FNAF being popular with children, a series about dead corpses of children being stuffed into animatronics by a pedo, is miles worse than cupcake HD.
No. 1950972
File: 1712274239433.jpeg (Spoiler Image,96.45 KB, 413x750, IMG_2792.jpeg)
>>1950834If you were to ask me we need MORE
Jasper my beloved
No. 1950994
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>>1950947This. I get I was like 11 or 12 when these vids were coming out so I was over the age of that already while I think the guy making these was probably like 8 but even then it's pretty much on par with being 'scared' of peta flash games.
No. 1951005
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>>1950997He could have been lying, but his work was professional levels of good. He used to draw on-model shock art of shows like The Looney Tunes show and Gravity Falls too. I think it's not far fetched to believe he was at least a professional animator.
No. 1951015
File: 1712276316813.jpg (78.55 KB, 800x600, l faust sawyer.jpg)
Also, artists are(or used to be) huge edgelords. Pic rel is something lauren faust did when she worked on cats dont dance. You can also find that one infamous spongebob booklet ''behind close doors'' that was lost for some time and resurfaced recently.
No. 1951373
File: 1712296079529.jpg (100.01 KB, 720x802, 1709986854997420.jpg)
>>1951026they did fucking what?
No. 1951377
>>1951361at least she admits these men are
toxic and garbage but they are so hot so they get it kek
No. 1951379
File: 1712296208216.png (384.63 KB, 1106x735, nHNmY.png)
>>1951373They did storyboards of that
For some reason they didn't get fired for this.
No. 1951381
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>>1951380The scrote who drew it looks exactly like how you would expect too.
No. 1951454
>>1951446It's from a storyboard jam, something production crews do to blow off steam (allegedly, I'm not speaking from personal experience here). One person starts the storyboard and it gets passed around and added to by the rest of the crew. It's expected to be funny and/or inappropriate, but uh… not quite like this.
>>1951379Also, this is (as far as anyone knows) the only page
left from the storyboard jam, but it's not the only one they drew. Apparently the rest were even worse. There's an article for it on the lost media wiki:
https://lostmediawiki.com/Rugrats_%22Incredible%22_(partially_lost_storyboard_jam_comic_of_Nickelodeon_animated_series;_1998) No. 1951469
>>1951454Absolutely fucking horrid that this is a fun 'storyboarding challenge' joke to males. Anons that were defending a lack of censorship and 'muh creative freedom' up thread should see this.
I want to look every person in the eye who defends freedom of pedofilia and child abuse by men cast as 'creative expression'. I want them to see this and defend this vile shit. No one is willing to have this conversation in media because it benefits males too greatly to degrade humiliate and torture children and women.
No. 1951505
>>1950561>There really is no excuse for being a lazy parent nowadaysIt's not even that. It's just that they think they're immune to criticism when it comes to their child's internet access. So you can draw out exactly the reason why letting their kid be parented by an ipad and social media for 13 hours is a bad thing, and they'll incoherently screech about:
>but what about 15 minutes at a restaurant?>what if I need to go outside for a bit and need to keep my kid entertained?>what if my kid is special needs?It's like mom and dad don't understand the core fucking root of the issue, which is not screentime in itself or letting your kid blow off a little steam on minecraft, but the absurd excess of screentime and lack of parental intervention. Why would you want your kid parented by strangers on the internet, and specifically by modern fandom? Your kid's going to see some shit they're not going to understand until 10+ years later.
No. 1951674
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>>1950357I'm sure this happens with other characters, but I've seen this a lot with Simon Petrikov for some reason.
No. 1951732
>>1951674why is Simon a
victim of the bizarre fetishes club
No. 1952602
>>1952589Seriously, I unironically think that the reason why most women like villains it's because they're not bound to some dumbass codes and will be actually capable to do the things that irl moids don't do, you know, like providing and protecting.
Bad guys won't hesitate to punch some fucker on the face because he looked in my direction, they will also win any fight and are usually really smart too.
But of course moids reduce anything we like and turn it into "hurr durrrrr woman caring womanly boobiely and sweet but not smort enough liek me tips fedora"
No. 1953083
File: 1712402666379.jpg (Spoiler Image,714.06 KB, 1080x1208, Screenshot_2024-04-06-13-16-50…)
Nonnies did you see the "stop sexualizing nuns" discourse on Twitter? Someone replied with picrel (spoilered because it's a coomer design from NU: Carnival) and a lot of the QRTs are like um ackshyually this is a double standard, we shouldn't sexualized nuns OR priests!
It's pissing me off because we all know men aren't going to stop sexualizing nuns (or any type of woman, including little girls) just because a tweet told them to. The only people this message could possibly reach is women, because women are the only people with human decency who will stop doing something if they're told that it's hurting others. But men have no such decency, and telling them that nuns don't want to be sexualized isn't going to make them stop doing it because the fact that nuns don't want to be sexualized is part of the appeal for them, they want to humiliate and violate those women. At the end of the day all this achieves is shaming women for producing their own coomer content, men don't give a fuck because they don't have a soul so they just keep doing it, especially since they're immune to being canceled unlike women.
No. 1953311
File: 1712413545090.jpg (141.7 KB, 877x618, O3CHvZttyj.jpg)
Let's get back on topic. This has been discussed a few times before but I picrel perfectly illustrates the absolute delusion that a lot of these morons live in. So over the years in fandom spaces there has been a trend (started by Americans) to 'un-whitewash' certain characters, This happens with Damian Wayne(who is like the 1-4th Arab) and most annoyingly with characters who have Romani/Gypsy heritage. This person drew a depiction of what Scarlet Witch is actually supposed to look like (even though she has never looked like this in any comic depiction), and she used an actress of Spanish Romani descent as a reference, and she genuinely can't even see that yes "POC Romanis" can be white, cause she's that brain rotten by fandom discourse
No. 1953344
>>1953114look, I don't want to stir shit or defend moids or whatever, but the fetish for nuns and priests in fiction is basically the same thing regardless of if the fetish-haver is male or female– it's still about corrupting someone 'pure' or chaste/off the market and them feeling dirty-bad-wrong-sinful about it while the audience surrogate is either powerful/attractive/coercive enough to tempt them (often literally depicted as demonic lol). Then there's also ones who go for the domineering/authoritative aspect associated with the two roles. So everyone's a sinner here, I guess.
Sorry for the sperg and jumping in like this, but it's all set up to say I am so fucking tired of 'priest AUs' in fandoms/ships that have nothing to do with religion or anything remotely similar kek. Hell, most AUs are just garbage clutter in the tags, especially for new/ongoing properties (I get it when the fandom's old as fuck and fans might want to spice things up bit with a fresh coat of paint though). reeee.
Anyone else have some common/trending AUs they're tired of/noticed a surge in?
No. 1953369
>>1953311such a confident display of a lack of observational drawing skills kek.
More seriously though, it is pretty wild how so many people can look at an actor or character design and then proceed to avoid drawing anything even remotely close to it. Maybe I'm just too much of a stickler for references and being on model/accurate despite style shifts, but I'd never call myself a fan of something if I couldn't manage to/bring myself to draw something instantly identifiable as being that character so that, y'know, other fans could see and enjoy it at a glance, without needing to squint and think about it. But I guess when fanart is more about you and your ideas rather than the media it's supposedly dedicated to, the fan and community aspect cease to matter so much.
No. 1953481
>>1953384nta and don't care about objectifying men, especially fictional ones, but I do think pornsickness/horny brainrot in women is a fair thing to talk about or even possibly be concerned over– not in the sense that women having and expressing their sexual interests is bad or whatever, but more that it's not healthy for any human to spend large amounts of their day and brainpower on highly sexualised content. Everyone knows about men fucking themselves up by being horny 24/7 and needing everything to be coomerfied in order to hold their attention, but for some reason women are considered magically immune from the same kind of overstimulation. I don't think it has anything to do with women's rights, either (other than women having more freedom to openly engage with erotic material compared to the past, but that's a neutral observation), it's just an observable shift in behaviour and trends.
Maybe other anons are just lucky and haven't dealt with other women who only want to talk about and engage with horny/smutty/spicy content or only want to talk about sexual headcanons etc. Have also noticed more hentai and male-coomer tropes/cliches popping up in female-made fan content (and original published stuff too tbh), which is also interesting.
No. 1953566
>>1953552You're saying this while the whole of Booktok is getting shit on because of smutty books. Listen yes a lot of those books ARE 'trashy smut' but men have been reading books with gratuitous sex scenes in it since forever and there's a stupid amount of those books that are considered literature (I'm looking at you, Murakami). But now that women are enjoying books about hot fake men loving the self insert it's an issue. It's trashy. All the while nobody is talking about the significant issues stemming from boys as young as 10 finding violent porn videos online. And the rare moments they do, it's somehow still women who are the issue.
So yes, let women have their dumb smut or sexy anime men. Women haven't murdered others over it with the excuse that it was just violent sex gone wrong.
No. 1953575
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>>1953566repost from another thread, I think picrel describes what your saying.
No. 1953586
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>>1947704what's wild to me is that those girls don't realize that bottom gojo is popular in japan because they have a bjorn andersen-esque complex about him and not because of a higher sense of morals. anyway anyone who ships geto and gojo (no matter their preferred dynamic) is a genuine terrorist
No. 1953595
>>1953585You're correct, at the end of the day it's the same thing, they're marketed the same way in Japan, and the distinction between "the main characters fuck" and "the main character don't do anything explicit" can be ambiguous in a lot of manga and anime anyway. There's one I tried where one of the adult guy won't stop groping the other guy and they're both adults, there are a lot of references to sex but
they never enter into a relationship because one of the guy's ptsd and yet it was published in a BL magazine.
>>1953586I thought Gojo was a bit more popular as a seme when paired with Geto but maybe it's more like 50/50.
>anyway anyone who ships geto and gojo (no matter their preferred dynamic) is a genuine terroristkek calm down they're just drawings.
>>1953589There are plenty of BL manga where there are sex scenes like once a chapter where there's no rape whatsoever.
No. 1953625
>>1953615Frankly, the amount of bl nowadays that are straight up edutainment about safe words and anal health is bizarre.
I don't read bl to learn how to take care of a man's asshole and mental health.
No. 1953634
>>1953630I see them a lot. Also
>I want to fuck but we need to think about safety and boundaries while massaging your butthole for the next 3 months (chapters) before we're ready to actually have sex.I also remember a kerfuffle about NuCarni because they didn't lotion up and talk about consent for the first minute in every sex room. It's just so dumb.
No. 1953651
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>>1953637he already has a gay couple (the dude on the left is a tranny)
No. 1953654
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>>1953651from looking like a normal dude to goth chick
No. 1953696
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>>1953686>i don't give a shit about [topic of the conversation], butThis thread is so annoying…
No. 1953714
>>1953690Thank you for mentioning that because I'd like to point out another double standard; actors like him and the guy who played the Twillight vampire are allowed to shit all over their role and the female fanbase that enjoys it. And if you're offended you're just a cringy fangirl who should shut up.
But you can't have an actress doing the same. Saying that she thought the sex scenes were gross, or that the men who thought it was hot are cringe and should be laughed at.
No. 1953766
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I think we're all forgetting that this is what initially started the discourse, someone on twitter made a post stating that you shouldn't sexualize nuns because it's disrespectful and misogynistic, The QRTs were filled with mostly male coomers, pick-me women and "leftists". The first group openly admitted that they were degenerates and got off on it, the second group did it in an 'ironic manner' to prove that they aren't like those prudish feminists and the last group(which I consider the worst) tried to pretend that it's actually a revolutionary act and to ask not to sexualize anything was fascism and reactionary. The only people who took issue with this BS were feminists.
No. 1953784
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>>1953726I know this might be really hard for you to comprehend, but if you feel arousal at something, even if it's two cute boys kissing (and let's be honest, that's not what most yaoi is and you know that) you're getting a dopamine spike, the more frequently you consume whatever gave that initial spike, the less and less effective it becomes, so you start craving "more"either more of what already gave that spike or something more perverse than that and that leads to escalation. And that's literally how everybody's brains work, including yours.
(derailing) No. 1953793
>>1953768Ngl the black clover nun was a lot less sexualized than I expected. You'd figure it be worse, considering the rest of the female characters.
>>1953784People think yaoi is basically meth.
No. 1953798
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>>1953793>People think yaoi is basically meth.The forbidden yaoi cartels…
No. 1953801
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>>1953784I'm fucking kekking nona, thank you
No. 1953804
>>1953793That's the thing; anything can be meth. Toothpaste can be meth, sleeping on the rooftop can be meth, popping balloons can be meth/ Anything that gives a dopamine rush and If you keep doing it too much, you develop a paraphilia
>>1953794>>1953798Not one person in any of these threads has ever made that comparison. Y'all are more like the people in vidrel, not evil or anywhere near as destructive actual porn addicts, but we can see that this isn't normal and clearly a result of a fetish.
No. 1953812
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>>1953772Sadly, many of the responses were from women who also dogpiled on her, simply because they didn't like Christianity and thought that sexualizing Christian women was what they deserved or like the second group they wanted to prove they weren't "prudes"
No. 1953814
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>>1953784>two cute boys kissing>let's be honest, that's not what most yaoi isKek what kind of yaoi do you consume nonna? Yaoi cannot be compared to the way men in fandoms treat female characters and the degenerate art they make of them. A moid got picrel tattooed and I've never watched the series, but apparently she's supposed to be a teen? I have yet to see a yaoi tattoo let alone a graphic one and I'm convinced I'll never see one as disgusting as picrel tattooed on a woman.
No. 1953816
>>1953804>Not one person in any of these threads has ever made that comparison. Tbf it says drugs in your pic lol.
In this case its drugs (yaoi).
No. 1953822
>>1953814I watched it, she's an adult in both age and behavior and nothing is mentioned one way or another when it comes to her looks.
She's meant to be slightly older than the mc who iirc is 17, so 19-20?
No. 1953835
>>1953821the problem is the idea that women's sexual fantasies can literally never be criticized in any way lest we risk scaring them into a state of sexual repression. the mindless encouragement of total female degeneracy (especially in fandom spaces filled with young women/girls) has the potential to seriously harm them if they engage with the wrong things. the state of our culture and the porn that predominates within it would make
abusive practices the unavoidable outcome for an extremely large number of women, even if you, personally, don't engage with it.
No. 1953838
>>1953835I'm completely against kids being online in fandoms at all, to begin with.
There's such a thing as having the small bit of mental stability to not get addicted to literally anything and kids being not allowed to be online.
No. 1953845
>>1953826You're probably right. They're too caught up in their fetishes and refuse to see the facts of which side they end up supporting. They've created an almost defensive wall for themselves. "It's not rape of a hyper-feminized figure that gets pregnant; it's just two boys kissing I'll end this here for now
>>1953835I know what you mean. Many fujos don't seem to understand that the extreme provocative scenarios they place male characters in serve as an introduction for young women to explore fetishes. whether they transition or not, they may want to experience those fetishes themselves. We have observed cases like that in the fakeboi thread
No. 1953852
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>>1953083>"stop sexualizing nuns"Have they learn that artists used to sexualize nuns or priests come from even before they were born.
Spoiler because nsfw old art from 1800's.
No. 1953861
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>tfw Nonna
No. 1953863
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>>1953814Is from this same artist?
No. 1953865
I now understand how any actual radfem spaces eventually turn into female separatism.
>>1953863god that looks so bad
No. 1953867
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nonas please….
No. 1953868
>>1953853I never stated that. I think it might lead to some and that wasn't even the point I was trying to make, it was
>provocative scenarios they place male characters in serve as an introduction Say a 16 year old girl reads a fic where Harry Potter is whipped by Ron or something like that and it gives her that dopamine rush. So she seeks out more fics that have whipping in them. It's something she likes. A few years later,she meets someone and her idea of sex has to include whipping in it and she asks them to do it.
Now, imagine that with other even worse fetishes and kinks.
No. 1953881
File: 1712441902714.jpg (35.1 KB, 500x488, 1677935865686.jpg)
I think boys kissing are cute. Cute!(derailing)
No. 1953885
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>>1953866Only romance games for moids and theather kids do it for me.
Jk, Susato and Ryuunosuke are also an adorable hetero couple.
No. 1953887
>>1953879It's 99% of them.
Iirc even Uzaki-kun took around 100 chapters to confess and even then, for a while the male lead kept fainting whenever he thought of sex.
No. 1953891
File: 1712442052976.png (1.18 MB, 907x907, sensual2.png)
>>1953865Funny how the male characters do not have the same level of detailing like the female ones.
No. 1953894
>>1953882Well it often ties in with possessiveness. And the appeal of that is the guy being absolutely obsessed with you, and loving you no matter what.
>>1953887Don't forget Rent-a-girlfriend! They haven't confessed yet but somehow it does involve numerous very explicit (and somehow able to go through the editor) NTR scenes of the ML imagining random dudes fucking the FL and getting a boner from it.
>>1953891Normally I'm not one to say that a tattoo will age like shit but this tattoo will absolutely age like shit.
No. 1953901
>>1953868Nta but KEK as someone who was exposed to weird shit growing up due to unattended internet usage, I am into normie yaoi. Children shouldn't be exposed to pornography, but the ones I know who were into yaoi like me as a teen turned out to be fine too. I recon women who get into yaoi as adults have a lower risk of escalating whatever it is that they read. Honestly most yaoi is just cute guys dating and having pretty average sex like it's not weird
Step Mom stuck in the wall shit.
>>1953881Based
nonnie No. 1953904
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>>1953888Based and fujopilled
No. 1953910
>>1953907He's married with kids, or at least he was.
Iirc he lives in an apartment away from them to draw his manga.
He also draws the female mc into real photos and stuff, it's all a bit interesting.
No. 1953911
>>1953905I agree though the man has a wife and iirc a daughter. I read somewhere his studio is in the house BUT he still goes away to a different apartment to sleep on his own.
>>1953907No he's just super into NTR. The guy he drew fucking FL in the most infamous chapter suspiciously has the exact same beret he wears.
No. 1953916
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>>1953899so your saying the average fujo see's themselves as the guy in the back in this pic rather then Izuku?
No. 1953927
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>>1953911>>1953910He took a statue of her on a date.
No. 1953937
>>1953926I'd say it depends on the fujo.
Some really like the screaming "hurry the fuck up you piece of shit" manly bottom aspect.
He tends to be a power bottom with Deku, iirc.
No. 1953942
>>1953936jjk is supposed to end soon but this is just the manga. Brace yourself for the eventual third season. I'm looking forward to it.
>no one cares about mha anymoreI really hope that's true, I hate the art style and character designs so I never gave it a try but a friend of mine was so autistically obsessed with it I hated this series instead of just ignoring it.
No. 1953948
>>1953929Yes, there's a big subset of fujos who want to see that and larp as a seme. Is it that hard for you to imagine someone
that much into this kind of fantasy? A lot of fujos are into watching submissive ukes from a dominant pov and some of them take it far enough to troon out to become teh epic semes.
No. 1953968
>>1953942Mha basically died in popularity for both men and women.
>>1953952I only ever read Jap omegaverse and it's 99% just heats and biting sex. Mpreg is pretty rare. Really, its more furry ish, considering it gave birth (heh) to pomegaverse (omegaverse, but they sometimes turn into pomeranians) and cakeverse (I don't fucking know).
No. 1953977
>>1953964I watched jjk knowing it was just a bunch of cute guys punching each other in the face with the occasional fujobait scenes here and there so I didn't get disappointed and the characters don't look nearly as goofy as the ones in mha or kny, which I can't watch because of how ugly the characters are. But I think if a friend of mine tried to convince me to watch jjk before I would have gotten too annoyed to want to start it. Among the two friends I have who watched it one watched the first season when it was airing and enjoyed it just fine but didn't tell me about it so I could watch it blind
and the first season was boring so thank god I didn't start it too early and another one is a turbo autist who won't stfu about her favorite new thing but she just never thought about recommending it to me for some reason.
No. 1953985
>>1953866>Can we talk about how toxic most herships are? God yes. Straight women are just fucked in the head when it comes to het romance. Sure, being a woman raised in the patriarchy will have you romanticizing abuse and misogyny, but once it's pointed out, why keep doing it, and double down even, instead of writing non sexist stuff. It's crazy to me.
I have a few hetships that I like, where the pairing in canon doesn't have any sexist tropes, but I can't read fic for them because the ships are always twisted into sexist bullshit. I mean, I can't stand Kylo/Rey, but they are equals in the movies and then he dies for her, so he's clearly her bitch, so I thought there might be some interesting fic, but noooo, it just has Rey be some poor naive damsel who needs saving by Kylo or Kylo's a shitty person and Rey puts up with being treated badly until love redeems him (instead of kicking his ass like in the movies) and goddamn why is she always the sub, when it's clearly Kylo. I know it's mostly because of self insert bs, but why not write Rey as a self insert with power and agency and an adoring Kylo who loves to please. This is why I never go near fic for ships I actually like.
No. 1953987
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Let's end this discussion because we all know how it goes and neither side gets anything. So, let's get back to a real topic. I've been really wanting to discuss the demise of the "major series" in manga/anime. MHA is still big, but I really think that when it ends, it might be the last ultra-popular series to end. I really can't think of a current series that is truly "ultra popular" these days, as a global phenomenon, I wonder if it has to do with worse quality or changing attitudes.
No. 1954000
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Quit using discord and twitter as an experiment 8 months ago and I didn't think I would be so much happier without it but I am.I do miss engaging with fandom and its fanart and memes a bit, but not as much as I thought I would. I'm surprised at how happier I am without being up to date with fandom and all the good and the bad that comes with it.
I miss the art the most but it's no big loss compared to the mental space and relief from not having to walk on eggshells around (my own) twittertard mutuals and online friends and being drawn into petty drama by 25+ year olds. It felt a bit lonely at first but it made me realize none of these online friendships are beneficial for me in this stage of my life and continuing to invest time in fandom-centric social activities is preventing me for developing my real life. Being very online served me well in my teens as a means of momentary escape but I don't need it anymore, and continuing to engage in fandom politics was preventing the development of my own maturity in a way.
Nonas who don't need social media presence for work, have you ever taken a break from fandom?
No. 1954005
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>>1953985I am so jealous of moid romance options. Even when the characters are a bit mean like nagatoro or senjougahara its never on the same level as
abusive male characters in het ships. I also envy how they have so much variety to choose from. If you are a woman and dont like stoic dominant guys then good luck finding het romance for you. All i want is a male hanekawa why is that so hard?
No. 1954024
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>>1954005Closest you'll get to that sort of personality and banter would probably have to be that author's try at reverse harem, unfortunately.
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>browsing Skies of Arcadia tags out of nostalgia
>EVERYTHING after 2022 is about trooning out Vyse because of jelloapocalypse doing a let's play or some shit
>hmmm why is that name familiar, oh it's the same guy that tried fucking around with the new Lovely Complex dub
eugh
No. 1954269
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>>1953641Manifesting that he marries Shoko or Utahime, the salt it would generate
Utahime was giving him a power up with his fight against Sukuna
>>1953866Dw they flooded BL with the same tropes but they’re both men so it’s fine despite perpetuating the same dynamic
No. 1954272
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>>1953936I feel like ever since I got into JJK, I’ve been seeing more and more of BNHA. Apparently both mangakas are besties or Gege looks up to the BNHA mangaka
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I want to shit on fanboys for a minute. Hate how they think JJK fangirls are some kind of “gotcha” yes some of the fangirls have been extreme and weird (Gojo figurine) but the overwhelming of fanboys are actually menaces. Never forgetting that one time there was a thread on /co/ where guys were showing off their statues and figurines covered in a certain disgusting substance
JJK fangirls are just more comfortable being deranged but it’s NOTHING to fanboys
No. 1954300
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>>1953987>I've been really wanting to discuss the demise of the "major series" in manga/anime. I dunno why you would think that when we literally just had KnY shattering records a few years ago. JJK is right there too, and when you start talking about series that are massive in Japan but not nearly as big in the west there's stuff like Blue Lock and Tokyo Revengers too.
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>>1954393nta but he had a second account revealed. where he posted hi "fart fetish" stuff and he isn't even ashamed about it either.
No. 1954412
>>1953866>bad boy x pretty nice girl that can fix him,I despise this dynamic, but I understand why it's popular. The women into it thirst after bad boys and they'd rather pick a bland girl next door character to self-insert as because they're too embarrassed to get into straight up selfshipping/xreader stuff. They meme themselves into thinking it's because of the "chemistry" of the characters or whatever, but it's obvious they just view the female character as an avatar for themselves. Kacchako is a good example of this.
At least some (not all) slashers are honest about the fact that they just find both men hot and want them to bang, especially if it's a crackship.
No. 1954423
>>1954396I stopped reading years ago but iirc it started dropping with Deku getting seven quirks.
It kept dragging, there were breaks, the side cast are absolutely useless, and the story just doesn't feel interesting.
No. 1954437
>>1954411>>1954419Mixed sex fandoms used to be more common, at least that's what it felt like. Probably because there were fewer people online so there just wasn't much of a community if people couldn't get along. Homestuck is a great example, and lots of videogames in the 2000's through mid 2010s had mixed sex fandoms (Prince of Persia, Ratchet and Clank, Mass Effect). Actually Mass Effect is an interesting one, it's still active thanks to the remaster and it's still very mixed sex. Naruto is known for it's fujos but it is/was mixed sex, Resident Evil fandom feels mixed sex to me. A very recent example would be something like Kagurabachi, dudes were begging fujoshi to read it to try to prevent the series from getting axed so the fandom is pretty mixed. Any battle shonen with a large enough cast can become mixed sex in it's fandom demographics.
Pokemon is another great example.
No. 1954464
>>1954449It's a new manga running in Weekly Shonen Jump. Every week subscribers/buyers vote for their top 3 favorite manga and this helps determine the manga's placement in the magazine. A consistent pattern of low placements leads to the manga being cancelled and replaced. The manga itself is fine but it was stuck at the bottom of the rankings so people were worried it wouldn't last. Male fans bowed to the power of fujoshi and realized that battle shonen can't survive in the magazine without them and were begging fujos to give the series a chance. I can't find the original twitter post where the dude was begging but it was like 70k likes and thousands of retweets (I think he deleted it). The subreddit changed their banner iirc welcoming fujoshi.
I think it's important to note that most Western male battle shonen fans do basically nothing to support the series they like compared to fujos, who got subscriptions to vote and started importing multiple Japanese volumes of the series. I have no idea how much of a difference it all actually made but the series is safe now and has a good sized Japanese and Western fujo fandom for how new the series is.
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>>1954468>>1954464Is the manga any good though? Looks generic
No. 1954510
>>1954300I think it's a good thing actually we have series now that seem to want to end within a span of 20 years instead of endlessly going on. But I also think that at least in a fandom perspective, series are definitely getting cycled through significantly faster then before. If we're talking in terms of conventions, unless you make merch of Genshin (something that has been popular for years and will keep being popular) you'll be forced to essentially continuously draw new merch every few months because people will have already forgotten about the show they loved SOOOOOO much a whole 6 months ago for the newer thing.
The Genshin thing at cons has been discourse online before too, with artists having to come out and say that it's because it's the only thing that truly reliably sells these days, and all the "omg I'd love it if someone made merch of X series" people will just look at the merch, say they love that show and then walk away.
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>>1954464This blew up on twitter, I'm glad some people understand that it's deranged fujos who keep fandoms alive kek. I recently started reading a new shonen manga that doesn't have that many fans but the male ones keep posting shit like "I hope fangirls never get into this" and "It was fun while it lasted" when someone had a post about the manga blow up. What I don't understand is what's supposed to be so nice about the state of the fandom right now, there's nothing interesting being posted. It's completely barren, not even coomers are making art. The only thing they do is discuss the latest fight and say how peak everything is and I don't understand how female fans who actually make things would detract from that.
No. 1954521
>>1954515What manga is it?
And yes I know what you mean, I'm reading more manga right now and it's only the stuff with female fans that has anything going on in the fandom. Men don't make or do anything, the majority of fanart is made by women. They don't just make fujo stuff they make the artwork of characters just standing there too. Men don't seem to bother making fanart unless it's coomshit of something already popular.
>>1954515that's an edit and not what the character actually looks like
No. 1954543
>>1954528Fandom used to be pretty different. More guys used to write fanfic back when FFN was the main place for fanfic. The switch to Ao3 changed things so much because the site's design promotes shipping over other types of content and guys mostly wrote non-romance. You can find male fanfic writers on places like spacebattles but it's much smaller than Ao3 is or what FFN used to be like and I don't think it has succeeded at attracting newer/younger writers/readers. Older fandoms that are still active on FFN like Naruto continue to have more male writers involved in the fandom.
Men seem to engage in very different activities when they engage in fandom now with significantly more emphasis on video and audio. I have no idea how to explain the lack of fanart. It really seems like the majority of guys making 'fanart' aren't fans but cloutchasers that make porn. At this point I'm pretty good at being able to
sus out if a given thing has a male-skewed fandom that's worth engaging in and probably the biggest tell is the age demo it's aimed at, it really looks like younger guys aren't getting into fandom in a 'productive' sense. They just passively consoom what the women make and what the older guys make.
No. 1954564
>>1954545It was the switch to Ao3. Ao3 was created in response to how FFN was treating adult subject matter. Porn isn't allowed on FFN so there's no 'audience' for porn on FFN. FFN also catalogs fanfic differently where the primary way of organizing fanfic is by genre and then with an additional option to designate the main pairing, there's no tagging system. Ao3 is oriented around the tagging system, which allows you to designate multiple pairings and select from a very robust catalog of tags with a strong emphasis on romance and sex tropes. Women like romance and written porn much more than men do.
FFN's catalog system and chilling effect on mature content favored non-romance stuff more in the search results. Ao3 changed fanfic fandom almost overnight because now there was a convenient repository where they could upload mature content and a catalog system that was weighed towards romance so this changed people's perception of what fanfic culture was like. It's a self reinforcing problem, the stuff you like to read isn't there so an audience can't develop to read the stuff you'd like to write. Men don't like romance or erotica as much as women do, the sort of stuff they do like to read (and write) just never took hold on Ao3 and now fanfic is considered a 'chick' activity when it used to be close to 50/50 in a lot of fandoms.
As someone that doesn't care for ship stuff it's pretty frustrating, you need enough men in the fandom to achieve the critical mass to keep that sort of fanfic culture going, there's not enough of us girls. I don't write anymore so I'm a part of the problem. Whenever I explain how Ao3 changed fandom zoomers get mad for some reason but I don't mean to offend anyone.
No. 1954581
>>1953987Fragmentation, there used to be less stuff being produced so there was just less competition. Of course stuff like Dragon Ball got so big, how much other anime was it competing with on linear broadcast?
>>1954002I think this is true too
No. 1954588
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>>1954376It’s not Gojover
No. 1954594
>>1953973>a world were people are either cakes or forkskek that sounds like the premise for a shitty, 2deep4u dystopian setting, amazing
I do think the phenomena of things like omegaverse's development and spread over the years is interesting though, same with how more minor fanon trends and concepts can also suddenly saturate a fandom seemingly overnight or migrate into similar but unconnected fandoms. It's probably due to the slow speed of traditional publishing, but until recently (with the rise of fast-fiction reads) I hadn't seen anything similar in published media (other than normal trend chasing, but that's usually more broad and less specific than what you can see in fandoms).
No. 1954624
>>1954622>would be lameNonnie the manga is already in a pretty sad state with Sukuna just winning and even the MC is sidelined
Tiktokers are mocking the manga
No. 1954645
>>1954564Shipping was always hugely popular even during 90s/00s-era fandom, but you're right that the switch to AO3 and its "tag culture" is why fic quality dipped overall besides fandom being more politics-obsessed in general. I've read some crap fics, both gen and ship, on FFN back in the day, but fics on FFN were cataloged by its genre and summary, not the tags on it (unless the author noted them). I actually got tired of how the AO3 section for one of my fandoms was mostly full of fetish porn, shipping PWP, trans shit, etc, so I looked at its FFN tag instead. There's 5x less fics, but I noticed some better quality, even in a ship fic I read out of curiosity. Hell, even the moid fetish writers that plagued anime/JRPG sections on FFN moved to AO3.
No. 1954652
>>1954291I feel like this sort of stupid overreaction is partly due to a lack of exposure– if you've been active in fandom, especially female-dominated ones, most of the behaviour these sheltered morons find confronting isn't that wild (unlike say some female fandom lolcows). Some people really are out there believing the stereotypes of women always being sensible and reasonable and never outwardly-sexual (especially for their own benefit and not as a display for men) that they make a mountain out of mild fangirl cringe. Pathetic, really.
(the inverse is also true imo, fanboy degeneracy and rank behaviour is so well-known these days that the bar has been raised to the point that most don't bat an eye until things get really foul or disturbing, and a lot of people view men as inherently horny so therefore that kind of shit is expected and not worth mentioning, even if it's disgusting or worrying behaviour. Fanboy lolcows of old were more notable because their weird behaviour was more novel at the time too)
No. 1954662
>>1954564anon I feel your pain, and agree with your points. I still write the gen fic I want to see (I'm a sucker for ensemble adventure stories, which can be hard to find in published fiction lately too), but man is it draining sometimes– most of my readers are happy with what I post, but I also get a bunch of people each chapter demanding romance/for me to turn the fic into a shipping one (or to add smut). I've seen this happen to other gen fan content creators too, and it's strangely entitled to me considering 95% of all fan content within those fandoms was shipping-based. Wasn't even the case of a rarepair, either, which could be more understandable to push for. No wonder original creators often get so tired or cranky over interactions with hardcore shippers kek
(Have nothing against shippers or romance in general either, so long as everyone's having fun, but that just ain't the kind of story I'm into)
No. 1954682
>>1954673long ramble ahead.
I think it has to do with how easy it is to get into new things now which is why fandoms tend to last shorter with people now. I can just watch a new ep of an anime that aired a couple hours ago in Japan fully subbed and everything. The anticipation isn't really there. (and i'm betting if anime did the same thing like shows we do here where it all drops on one day to binge instead of coming out weekly, fan interest would be waning a lot faster).
Most people didn't have the internet speeds to download/stream a bunch of anime and watch them for free so the few anime/manga you could get your hands on, you really appreciated them a lot more.
Kinda reminds me how I used to be obsessed with mid movies as a kid (over the hedge/hoodwinked etc) because they were the only dvd's we had in our house.
No. 1954695
>>1954564>Ao3 was created in response to how FFN was treating adult subject matter.No it wasn't. AO3 was created by writers from livejournal and was created because of various stupid livejournal decisions that resulted in a lot of fanfic journals being banned. They wanted their own place to store fanfic and so not have to worry about being banned and fic deletion. People from lj back then looked down on FFN and considered the writers there below them. They called the place 'pit of voles'.
Everything else you said was correct.
No. 1954699
>>1954500I've been keeping up with it and I like it.
While it's a bit generic, it's in line with how Shounen Jump manga tend to be. Hell, at least it's not another "mc gets caught up with supernatural shenanigans and has to fight the devil/curses/demons/akuma/werewolves/digital ghosts
/whatever the fuck with a secret organization with a uniform and a chuunin exam." It's more that the mc is so deadpan in his revenge seeking that it comes off as gap moe.
No. 1954725
>>1954719I don't understand how FFN's cataloging system "favored" non-romance when all you had to do was filter by genre. And FFN allowed double genre too, so there were plenty of adventure/romance fics all the time. Depending on the fandom, romance was the leading genre, so I don't get how gen/adventure fics were allegedly more common either. It's always been how you curated your experience. There was no "bias" and people always fucked around by giving it the M rating and wrote porn anyway. I know this because I saw it and did it myself kek
Men still do that isekai harem shit in their original works. Go to any web novel website and have your eyes scalded by the plethora of these moid fantasies complete with explicit porn.
No. 1954836
>>1954820It's very tiring, and sometimes outright baffling how either a setting will get sanded down to something that couldn't possibly contain anything confronting, no siree, this is a wholesome warzone etc, or canonically abhorrent characters will be tweely depicted validating gendie shit before going back to committing bodyhorror on some faceless
victim. Feels like a bit of an outgrowth of the whole 'evil character but he treats me like a queen' thing but for identity/ideology purposes instead of a common romance fantasy (not ragging on it btw, just noticed some similarities/overlap).
>force an author or voice actor to say they're in support of [insert whatever]I thought it was cringy when fans would do this in the days before social media, but the way they hound anyone publicly connected with the media they supposedly love now to agree with their values and shit can be honestly nightmarish. I get that we like to mock or deride the ones that do cave here, but also man, what a sword to have hanging over your head just because you did a job or created something.
Also, didn't really pay attention to the specifics and sorry if it's already been discussed elsewhere, but I saw that some of the bg3 fandom was having a meltdown because one of the voice actors liked/followed some forbidden twitter accounts or some shit kek. Honestly probably a good thing for Larian to be moving on from the game, the twitter fandom at least is pretty rancid
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>>1953633Same energy
Also why would you husbando a character from a shounen shit past 20?
No. 1954854
>>1954844If you only know cybershell you don't really know the Sonic fandom.
It's a fandom so enormous that you can't even sum it with a few words or simply claim "one side is normal while the other is all fetish furry lovers!". You can find EVERYTHING among Sonic fans… people really underestimate its reach and just how many types of people there are in it.
For example, an important but unknown side of the fandom (which Jim Sterling only vaguely mocked around 10 years ago, that's how non-famous they are) is the game decompilers and historians of SEGA/Sonic Retro. Thanks to them we know have a lot of encyclopedic information on the games which goes beyond typical fandom stuff like lore and characters, like each game's supposed and deduced development cycle, a truckload of research on prototypes, actual money being shelled out for said prototypes, proper information on the dev teams behind the games, etc.
This side of the Sonic fandom is so prolific that some of its members went on to develop Sonic Mania.
Then there's the side of fangames, tied again to Sonic Retro, which kickstarted so many indie game devs and artists. They actually made more than romhacks: so many Sonic fans built enginges from scratch for both 2D and 3D Sonic games, and some fans even went on to make their own Sonic-inspired game IPs, like Spark the Electric Jester or Freedom Planet.
Oh, and that's without even mentioning indie game composers and singers. Tee Lopes became famous thanks to his Sonic remixes, for example, and now he's a fan favorite composer
Everything I mentioned here is just scratching the surface. Even putting aside Sonic's normalfag fans, there are so many impressive Sonic fans. It's not just cringy shippers, powerlevel autists and weirdo fetishists. It's one of the most vast and genuine fandoms out there, full of creative energy and cool ideas. And part of it is definitely due to SEGA failing them so much that they decided to take things into their own hands.
No. 1954872
>>1954870man when was the last true fujo anime that had a majority female audience? yuri on ice?
I guess male vtubers have replaced fujo anime.
No. 1954875
>>1954872Eh, do most fujos/yumes even care about vtubers? I feel like for a second they were kind of getting some traction from China but at this point I don't think any otaku girl cares anymore.
Guys are certainly still pretty obsessed with them though.
No. 1954887
>>1954862ayrt and maybe, but I think, at least with some western creators/companies, people are recognising that you can't just include slash shipping fodder, you have to commit to the pairing or risk insane people shrieking at you all day online for not canonising their ship (or the wrong one). Obviously not every production gives a shit, but there is a wariness there especially from smaller or lesser known ones. This stuff isn't new, but I think the intensity is.
also tbh I hate obvious fujobait (or any other kind really), because well, I know it's just bait and marketing kek
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>>1954881Man I just want to complain about how I am so sick of shounen. It doesn't interest me at all anymore. I'm tired of everyone talking about nothing but shounen in anime spaces, at conventions, online, ect. I don't even care if the guys look good or there's a crumb of fujobait or cool fights or whatever, I'm just sick of every anime fan obsessing over comics for middle school boys kek.
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>>1954890Take the VNpill my friend
No. 1954900
>>1954890>>1954892Then just watch or read other stuff. That's what I'm doing besides getting into JJK recently, and even then I can't remember the last time I was into another shonen manga recently. On top of my head there's JJBA and AOT but that was like a decade ago, JJBA fights are less unga bunga the more you read it and I dropped AOT way before the timeskip
when Erwin is still alive but there's some foreshadowing that he'll get fucked up because of some conspiracy, the pacing ruined it for me and even then AOT is less focused on the battle themselves and more focused on the setting and big mystery the characters want to solve. I find that avoiding social media and not being aware of current trends makes it easier to avoid shitty shonen manga or anime recommendations. If I ever want recommendations nowadays I go to my usual bookstore and ask the employees' opinions these days, it's so much better than relying on people who unironically post "holy shit [character's name] is the GOAT frfr" and "[character's name] is a FRAUD" on a daily basis.
No. 1954904
>>1954875i only really see them talking about Luxiem (aka just Vox) and maybe Bettel from holostars but other than that even the male vtuber stuff died after lockdowns were done
>>1954890I just stick with mahou shoujo/shoujo anime/manga in general. Its nice because most moids/gendies dont care about mahou shoujo unless its Madoka since those shows are very gender conforming so the fanbases are filled with women and feminine gay men that stay in their lanes and just want to draw fanart and have fun.
Shounen was always popular unfortunately so that cant be changed but theres lots of corners on the web that arent into that if youre willing to look.
No. 1954968
>>1954645FFN might be better for you because the writers that remain using it are older. If there was any worthwhile tag that doesn't exist its to tag the creator's age. Not surprising that teenagers aren't good writers. Imagine browsing Ao3 filtering by "30+", it would probably be a lot better.
>>1954662The entitlement of readers nowadays is the worst. And yeah I can see how someone might have interpreted my comment as disliking shipping but I just miss how it felt like there was more variety. I still read fanfic I just don't write anymore.
I think people asking that you write smut is really rude and presumptuous. How did you handle it?
No. 1954984
>>1954893AYRT and I am actually an avid VN fan which is part of why I don't like the average normie anime fan attitude. Lots of anime fans aren't even interested in something even slightly niche, they just want to talk about muh shounen and will die if they have to read something kek.
>>1954900Yeah, I watch and read a huge variety of things and I haven't watched a shounen series since like 2014. I'm just tired of meeting other anime fans irl and all they talk about is shounen and act like I'm out of the loop for not watching demon slayer or whatever. Or going to cons and a huge majority of fanworks/merch are shounen. It makes it more satisfying to find merch or prints of something I do like, but seeing/hearing it everywhere is genuinely annoying. I should've specified I'm not even talking about the wider scope of social media in my case since I don't really use it outside of tumblr sometimes.
No. 1954990
>>1954719Harem is allowed what's not allowed is explicit material and that stuff would get purged too. There's still some up because FFN's moderation is shit and inconsistent. The site is held together with string and tape.
>>1954725It's just a different way of filtering and cataloging, these little differences in site design can lead to big differences in what the fandom feels like. The tag system is perfect for romance where I think the subject matter has a stronger chance of people feeling upset/disgusted over being surprised by elements they didn't anticipate. A 'horror' story that starts introducing time travel elements isn't going to turn off readers the same way as a romance that surprises the reader with incest.
>>1954735This makes more sense when you consider how much smaller fandom used to be, there just weren't enough people to sustain a community if you sex-segregated too much. I think our fandom experiences were different because we were just into different things.
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>>1954997>thanks to fujoshi and housewives.You just reminded me of Gintama and Golden Kamuy being insanely popular with adult women.
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>>1955000Yuru Camp's fandom being so male is still weird to me ngl.
No. 1955018
>>1955010The guys I know in my country who are into these games are the kind of shonentards who compare everyone and everything to Goku, so there must be some sort of correlation there. This needs to be studied.
>>1955011The picture I posted is a big ass survey from some newspaper, I forgot which one, but only adults got surveyed. So some franchises must have a much younger audience on average if you count teenagers and kids. As for Gintama iirc people knew that adult women were by far a bigger audience than anyone else because of the Shonen Jump survey, the ones in every magazine where the readers vote for which manga they're supporting the most but it's been so long since I saw that info, I think it was like nearly a decade ago. I wasn't talking about twitter or social media in general.
No. 1955091
>>1955087Tbf it is in part meant to convince moids go outside and touch grass.
Cant remember too well, but doesn't the manga come with a recommended shopping list?
No. 1955105
>>1955045They probably have the cultural context and knowledge to realize that kind of thing is not made for them in any way. The characters in these anime are supposed to represent them but only superficially, they very probably don't have anything relatable or interesting to japanese women.
Personally I never liked CGDCT because it screams of moid writers writing their idyllic, idealized and unrealistic view of high school girls and young women.
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>>1955103It's probably just counting recent stuff, YuGiOh started to really target younger kids in the last couple of years.
No. 1955113
>>1955109I was about to ask, why are anons in here watching shit made by vivzie unironically? Kek, all she makes is cartoons for edgy teenagers that are learning about swear words and sparkledogs, the voices are shit, the plots are tired shit, the music is shit, the characters are all incoherent ugly as fuck mess ups, like what's there to like about the shows she has made so far?
I get the pilot for hazbin hotel was meh, and I would dare to say that the helluva boss pilot was okay even, but that's it, the shows suck ass even with the help of a team.
No. 1955125
>>1954984> AYRT and I am actually an avid VN fan which is part of why I don't like the average normie anime fan attitude. Lots of anime fans aren't even interested in something even slightly niche, they just want to talk about muh shounen and will die if they have to read something kek.The only thing Shounenfags are willing to read is berserk and Jojo, and even then I’d argue those are the ones into slightly more niche stuff.
The only VNs I think your average shounenfag would be interested in is power level bullshit like fate stay night which I think some of them watch the anime for anyway.
No. 1955374
>>1954872Its funny how despite how successful these IPs explicitly made for women were, it still doesnt stop execs from funding 100 gorrilion flop isekais instead of more new IPs for women
>>1954895>>1955371Bravern was definitely aiming for both types of audiences, as well as any overlapping mecha fans. Whereas YoI and Free were explicitly for women
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>>1955387I dunno
nonnie, Oberon is mighty cute and I usually think gacha boys are hideous (I wanna get his nendo even though I don't play FGO).
No. 1955415
>>1955405oh yeah i forgot about him, he's cute. But there is an artist that draws nothing but the same black bishie and they are all boring in my opion.
>>1955407the only male character that gets the same amount of fanservice as the women is the trap faggot, what a coincidence that its the male character made for men
No. 1955456
>>1955387I still play FGO cause I'm interested in the main story. Lostbelt 7 was really fun and I like self inserting as Gudako the last hope for the human race.
Even if there were male swimsuit servants it wouldn't make the summer events more fun, and then I probably wouldn't be able to roll them anyway cause I don't spend money on gatcha.
No. 1955553
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>>1955516Because little moe anime girls are idealized and non threatening and western media has real looking grown women. It's not that hard to see why men and troons flock to the former
No. 1955568
>>1955559I don't know, I work facing the public and most people are average to pretty fucking ugly, maybe it's a my country thing. Moids are way more hideous though and they stink and spit
Personally I prefer looking at idealized characters (both sexes) but I'm just explaining why moe shows are not the same thing as realistic western media with female protags kek
No. 1955600
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>>1955553this is an unpopular opinion even here but ill take the way women are portrayed in westernslop games over that uguu shit on the left any day
No. 1955617
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>>1955590ntayrt but I agree, for me the only part of the story I enjoyed in FGO was Lostbelt 6 only because Oberon was introduced at that point lol
No. 1955675
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>>1955664I have watched it like 5 times and it does have pretty heavy fanservice scenes in the first episodes, like when they have to clean the tanks and they are all in bikinis, or when yukari has to infiltrate another team so they show her undressing. I hate that most of the fanservice scenes are of yukari, considering she's the most tomboyish out of the 5. Something i really like about GuP though is that they do have pretty diverse and interesting female characters for a CGDT. Best team btw.
No. 1955691
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>>1955655the image i responded to used pictures of characters in the middle of animations to make them look worse so i thought it was fair enough to post an objectively cute one in response kek. agree about the unnecessary amounts of violence though, its my biggest problem with other games like tlou2 as well
No. 1955702
>>1955696Don't get me started on the Paimon ENG VA, a quick rundown of her:
>A woman clearly in her 40's but tries to desperately hide her age to the point her birthdate isn't listed anywhere>Identifies as a they/them despite her age>Constantly gets into fights with fans on Twitter over the game and ships>Claims that "she asked the game developers and they told me Paimon is actually nonbinary" despite the game clearly using she/her pronouns for her >Chronic munchie posting and pity parties So many of the Genshin English VAs are absolute cows and they even had to entirely change one of them and rerecord every single voice line for the character (Tighnari) because his VA got caught LARPing as him and soliciting sex from underage fans. The English VA for the male main character recently got under fire for being "a zionist" because he dropped some political takes regarding Gaza on his retarded fan discord which these people always seem to have now. I'm so glad I uninstalled the English voice pack the moment the option became available but I feel bad for the genuine professional voice actors who just wanted to do a job and these failed D-list youtubers keep ruining the thing for them.
No. 1955799
>>1955516I think the culture brain rotted their brains no joke. This wasn't an issue until it the industry started patting themselves on the back and antagonising their fanbase now they feel threatened by any little action, it's pathetic.
Again tumblr and it's consequences.
No. 1955805
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>>1953083This dumb discourse has been ravanging my feed after clicking on ONE radfem that was complaining about it.
It's funny to see what people consider to be "sexualising priests"
No. 1956009
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>>1954820kek this is a thing with Hazbin Hotel, the show is set IN HELL and the sinners have all committed countless murders and atrocities. Everyone is fine with this, but then DRAWS THE LINE at the fact that Valentino, a pimp/porn director character, is shown being
abusive to Angel Dust - a porn star who has also murdered people and used to be in the mafia. Like, everyone is totally okay with literally every other sin but oh no, a gay porn star got raped!
The VA for Valentino was getting cringey comments and he shut that shit down immediately, and a french girl cosplaying as Valentino got harrassed by people at a convention.
Also Alastor, (a powerful dealmaking demon and serial killer who wants nothing more than to wield power over others), is said to be 'asexual' so Tumblr went absolutely fucking nuts about "queer representation" and draw the cringiest pics of him being some quirky lil guy. I feel embarrassed even saving this pic to post it kek
No. 1956017
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>>1954820Oh and the actor for Alastor issued an APOLOGY because he mistakenly referred to the character as "aroace" instead of "ace" even though it literally has no relevance to the story. It's all so tiresome
No. 1956041
>>1955805It’s such a pathetic attempt at market the comic this OC is part of.
A bunch of opportunistic fucks
No. 1956045
>>1956009It's
insane to me how it's impossible to like a shit character, as in actually evil. Are there even any actually evil characters out there that don't have some retarded sad sad backstory about being abused or whatever?
And it's particularly crazy how even characters from literally hell need to be somehow "good" in one way or another.
No. 1956071
>>1956045I can think of a few evil characters that are enjoyable but also lack a justification or sympathy hook in their backstories, but fans usually treat that as a blank to be filled with their own versions of it kek (not saying that's a bad thing either btw, so long as they don't take their headcanon/fanon as canon that everyone else is supposed to magically know and agree on).
When it comes to canon stuff, I don't mind it, as a lot of villains feel flat/cartoonish if they don't have a sob story or higher purpose/motivation, which can work but not in anything that's trying to be serious kek, but it's all a matter of execution regardless. Really don't get why there's a misunderstanding of humanising an otherwise evil character = they're actually totes Morally Good and Nice… a character can be fleshed out and have milder, nobler or even sweet aspects that make them feel more well-rounded without being generically 'moral'.
No. 1956101
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>>1956045It's so insane, I hate seeing memes about how much they love when villains get redeemed by their tragic backstory or whatever. It's good from time to time but I will never give a fuck that the joker went through a difficult divorce or his dad beat him and that's why he's like that, just let him kill more people in funny ways. I also don't care to see characters discuss basic shit like "murder is actually bad… I'm sorry…". In a similar vein I tried reading a fanfic that included a fuck or die scenario but the writer had to make sure to include a discussion on consent and then later one on gender identity after one of the guys uses feminine terms for the other during sex. It's like, do you want to write degrading yaoi or not kek I don't need to know your personal thoughts on this, I know this shouldn't be applied to real life
>>1956009>>1956017Is the ace thing only based on him refusing when angel casually offers to suck him off? What if he's just homophobic or saving himself for marriage
No. 1956116
>>1956101>don't care to see characters discuss basic shit like "murder is actually bad… I'm sorry…"agree, but fuck are some people unable to handle fiction that doesn't explicitly tell them something obviously bad is bad (because that clearly means the author condones it), or if characters do 'bad' things that are ignored by the narrative and not condemned or part of a theme/moral (eg getting mad when the protagonist's group in a sword and sorcery story get into a fight and kill other people but don't have a big guilt trip over it or trauma response over their actions because that's not what the story is about or cares about). I understood this shit when I was a kid, how are they so braindead kek
>make sure to include a discussion on consentgod I hate it when people put characters giving sex PSAs in fanfic, skeeves me right out. It's never organically written or fitting for the characters involved, either, instead it's like a horrible 4th wall break kek
No. 1956121
>>1956045I love Alastor
because he doesn't have some tragic backstory (yet, knock on wood), he's just an asshole and power hungry and doesn't hide it. He literally says out loud that he enjoys watching "the scum of the world" struggle to become better people and then ultimately fail, because he finds it entertaining. And yet tumblrfags are still calling him sweet quirky cinnamon roll
No. 1956163
>>1956045They exist but will still be treated the same way most of the time. A character will be evil just because he can, but that same group of fans will be sure to tell you he wouldn't ever misgender you!
You actually see the funniest of these with the tumblr concept of 'imagines' which is like drabbles. Now, some blogs will let people send in requests, and it'll be hilarious shit like "Will my favorite character X love me despite the fact I have no legs no arms and no mouth???" because the reply will always of course be that they'd totally love you no matter what. Of course, the images themselves are pretty harmless but I don't doubt those two groups overlap.
No. 1956194
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>>1956116>I understood this shit when I was a kidRight? I'm not that smart but I think I've always been able to tell when an action a fictional character takes would be good or bad in real life, why do they need it spelled out? I'm sure some people are that stupid, especially when they are young but other times I get the feeling people are only pretending to need it pointed out clearly because they assume others are too stupid to get it ("this media is harmful because it shows something bad that someone might do in real life unless told not to!!" "This character is evil, you wouldn't like someone like that irl so you need to hate them!") and it creates this weird circle of babying each other for no reason.
No. 1956207
>>1956163A character being a genocidal pedophile and rapist is fine but being transphobic is too
problematic. Putting aside my dislike of troons it speaks to how fragile people in fandom are that they can't comprehend liking a character that doesn't have the same political views as them, it's retarded to act like every character in existence supports Palestine and hates cops and uses neopronouns, we need more diversity.
No. 1956361
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I already know that Hazbinfags must've gotten bullied from front to back on here, but it's not talked about enough of how retarded and obsessive they are about that damn Hazbin Hotel. It has mediocre, if not, outright shitty worldbuilding and "character development", but any criticism falls on deaf ears for the hazbinfags. No matter how bad the show gets written, or how many blatant plotholes are present, the hazbinfags plug their ears and attempt to fight criticism with ass-pull "explanations" that are never validated by the show. They're basically Narutards and Steventards. The humor is awful too, I don't understand how any adult with good taste or just a sound mind can watch Hazbin Hotel and unironically think it's funny; it's more like something you would think is funny while you're an edgy teenager back in 2012. I think sex jokes and cuss words can be funny, but Vivzie writes them in a way that's basically highschool freshman moidlet humor. Despite the show being about Heaven, Hell, morality, and redemption, the show is bad at defining what it means to be a good person and to get into heaven, yet Vivzie expects us to take it as this legitimate, philosophical thinkpiece. When it's not taken as the thinkpiece Vivzie wants it to be, she chimps out on Twitter. What makes Panty and Stocking better than Hazbin Hotel IMO is that PSG knows that it's a religion parody where nothing is really supposed to make sense, you just watch and laugh at it. Hazbin takes itself too seriously, and tries to soapbox you into thinking demons and sinners are misunderstood, and that "iF HeLL iS foRevER thEn HeAvEn mUsT bE a LiE!". Even the plushies are bad.
No. 1956480
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>>1953814If I was forced to stay in a room for 24 hours with the average coomer man or the woman with anime pinup tattoos and a yaoi paddle on her ass, I’ll stick with the woman, 100%. I’m sure a lot of nonnas with agree (also this is my personal cow)
No. 1956552
>>1956361>Panty and Stocking better than Hazbin Hotel IMO I don't like Hazbin much either but Panty and Stocking is fucking trash.
The aesthetic and character design is god tier but the actual humor is just 'LOL TOILET POOP' and 'PANTY IS A WHORE LOOOL'
No. 1956796
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>>1956071>Really don't get why there's a misunderstanding of humanising an otherwise evil character = they're actually totes Morally Good and Nice…I mean, even literal Satan canonically has something of a tragic back story in christian mythology, kek. I think the problem is more that retarded fandom kids think having a back story or one single sympathetic trait makes a character 100% redeemable misunderstood lil guy and not, idk, a complex character who is still evil and a shithead.
No. 1956905
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>>1956821This. Every single online animator is trying to make stuff they can hopefully pitch to netflix, so they come up with the blandest ideas ever. HH is unique for knowing it's audience and pandering to it. I see failures like mr enter or LS Mark trying to make cartoons and it's always the safest and blandest corporate slop ever. This shit is NEVER developing a fandom. Who the fuck wants to be part of the tom and jerry in high school fandom. Who the fuck is this even for?
Vivzie is the only one that understands that to make a sucessful online cartoon you need a strong fandom. Her cartoons pander to shipfags, trannies, fujos, male coomers, female coomers, theater kids, tumblrtards, etc. She's extremely intelligent in that regard, and it's why her stuff managed to become popular and sucessful in a sea of failed pilots.
No. 1956975
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>American wokie response
No. 1956989
>>1956986There's two hispanic unofficial disney princesses, Elena of Avalor and Sofia the First
her kingdom is based on Spain and there's no unofficial indian princess, but there's an indian main female character, Mira Royal Detective or something like that.
No. 1957001
>>1956993>and whatever the fuck moana is.Polynesian,
nonnie…
No. 1957144
>>1956975why not just create original
POC characters? I swear this is all just a psyop by MSM to make th american public ok with the fact that theyre not getting any new IPs and instead just getting reskins of old ones lol
No. 1957147
>>1956905yeah vivzie is smart. she's basically giving the fujo anime experience to the west and you don't see much stuff like her shows over here thats why they become popular. I watched HH and thought it was ok, but its definitely the kind of thing I wouldve been obsessed with as a teen.
Tom and Jerry in highschool, and all these other safe options are just boring. Just looks like your average thing you can already turn on the tv and find playing.
The designs are bland too.
No. 1957179
>>1957144Because they don't like
poc characters or stories. Reskinning a white character as
poc is an easy way to get DEI points and pretend to care about
poc characters at the same time.
No. 1957182
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>>1956804No, Panty and Stocking is objectively less deep, and tries way less than Hazbin Hotel. Again, that's what makes it a better parody to me. It butchers Heaven, Hell, Angels and Demons because it's ultimately meant to make fun of Christianity. That's it, really. There is no apparent lesson that the show wants to make you learn, and they drive this home by even having the ending make no sense, just letting it be pure stupid shock. Hazbin Hotel butchers Heaven, Hell, Angels and Demons, but then wants you to take it seriously when it makes quotes like: "If Hell is forever then Heaven must be a lie". That's the problem I have with the show. Why should I listen to what this show has to say about what it means to be good, when it did a terrible job that sincerely defining virtue? Why should I take this show seriously and question Christianity if the show had to butcher Christian's Heaven and Hell to even make its point. I would like the show more if it didn't try to be deep and preachy while imitating something like Family Guy.
No. 1957186
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>>1957179its so lazy and I cant believe theres an entire generation of creative hacks that dont know how to create anything.
I know this is dicksucking anime/manga but people really wonder why that is getting more popular with younger people nowadays..theres more original stories being created for them to enjoy. Why would a teen care about "Snow White but with a latina playing her instead!!1" or some other pandering trash when they could watch new original stories with cool looking characters in them.
(Also as a black woman its ironic that i've seen more anime/manga characters that "represent" my personality a lot better than the black women they show in cartoons here)
No. 1957192
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>>1956361Even a porn game has a better understanding of heaven and hell, which is hilarious if you think about it, and I will never stop saying this because it's the truth and because it's baffling to me how someone with all of the resources of the world can't be arsed to actually read the Bible and use it as actual inspiration instead of typing
>demon namesOn Wikipedia.
And you may ask
>lol anon wtf do you even mean about that game understanding heaven and hell better that vivzie And it's because they actually made it make sense, heaven isn't some utopia like how people like to imagine, it's a place where souls go to adore God, and hell is a place where souls go suffer because of the sins they committed.
Angels aren't goody two shoes that are a lazy analogy of racist people, they're just souls that need to adore God and that will do anything in order to do so. Demons are all a bunch of fuckers who follow the lead of the seven deadly sins, they are actually consumed by the sins and are actually bad people.
Was it that difficult for her to reach a conclusion like that? Instead of using the basic "heaven good, hell bad, heaven utopia, hell dystopia" logic, she could've made something else.
And I also think panty and stocking was meh in terms of representing heaven and hell, but it was mostly criticizing the social stuff of religion tbh, so whatever.
No. 1957247
>>1956796ayrt and yeah, sorry that's what I was trying to get at kek– positive or sympathetic traits aren't exclusive to moral characters (whatever that means in this context), but this seems a high mental hurdle for many lately. Its similar to the common misconception of the protagonist being the exact same thing as the hero and therefore needing to be moral or model morals (rather than just being the POV that is at the centre of the plot or drives it). It's semantics I know, but the distinction helps when you're dealing with people who expect everything to function like a cartoon for toddlers.
also dore's woodcut illustrations, my love
No. 1957256
>>1956976>Indian repWith all due respect, if you want Indian representation just watch Indian media (which is more than just bollywood) and lets be honest South Asian media because these people don’t care so throw in Lollywood/pakistan’s thing as well
I have the same sentiment towards every other ethnic group that aren’t black/african Americans because they didn’t willingly immigrate to the US. Native Americans are obviously a massive exception
No. 1957263
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>>1956383It's been said countless times vizie had the "misfortune" of doing blaire and shoeonhead fanart which marked her as eternally irredeemable. There was also the age gap drama as well as her questionable drawings of sausage party ocs that scorched her name until hazbin was on the radar. All this happened in the past but twitter kiddies have never once let bygones be bygones and move the fuck on. Who cares if she ships men together? It's not like she secretly donates to anti-gay organizations while voting for trump. What do these people want? For her to cease to exist or troon out into the proud and brave tif she was meant to be or something? Personally don't get it.
>>1957186>>1957192Tbf, east asian media does far better jobs portraying gay and brown characters than the entire united states of america and canada combined. And if it's not that, giving a damn about mythology. I would have never known about the shit I do now if it weren't for literal porn books of all things. I fucking hate the fact I learned it that way instead of the usual.
No. 1957271
>>1957263>Tbf, east asian media does far better jobs portraying gay and brown characters than the entire united states of america and canada combined.theyre more focused on creating a character first instead of filling a diversity quota (we need the black character for a kwanzaa episode!!1 or the muslim background character needs an ep where he explains ramadan.)
black/brown characters feel just as regular and human as characters of other races and sometimes thats the best way to represent someone.
No. 1957276
>>1957263> I would have never known about the shit I do now if it weren't for literal porn books of all things.Have you actually tried looking for stories outside of porn?
I can assure you that even the most orientalist piece of trash does better than that
No. 1957356
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What are your thoughts on people donating insane amount of money to ao3? I think it’s hilarious, cause all the e-beggars cry about “my gofundme to escape my aboosive situation only has 50 bucks but ao3 has a lot”
No. 1957370
>>1957356im surprised no one ever stopped to ask why does AO3 constantly beg for donations, and what do they do with all of the money they make.
Definite proof that women are the reason most fandoms are able to stay alive though.
No. 1957373
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>>1957363This is where their money goes according to their 2023 report, they probably just stack anything extra for the future in case of legal issues or if they run out of money (which will never happen).
No. 1957434
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>>1957356Lmao it NEVER fucking fails
No. 1957661
>>1957356Extremely faggy and cringe, though it's always funny seeing people shill their GFMs as if the women donating to AO3 for omegaverse porn will turn around and say 'Oh, you're right, here have my $100 instead tumblr user puppygirlbulge'
I don't doubt AO3 admins are pocketing some of the money though. I wonder if we'll ever have an Artfight tier blowup about it.
No. 1957739
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>>1956009I just saw his VA posing with a trans flag and told to said TIF "Alastor would say he's for trans rights"… Why a sadistic, asshole and backstabbing character would say that in good faith, no idea. Is like finding Hannibal Lecter, someone who was in love with his aunt and loved to brainwash people at his will just because a "comfort character" (and no, I would rather have Thomas Harris's word on Hannibal than Bryan Fuller's).
No. 1957743
>>1956045Each time I see an opinion about Mori from BSD, I see minors being
trigger because "their kin thinks he's a p3d0".
He's a mafia boss, he has done shitty stuff, you're supposed to hate him because he's a villain! Asagiri wrote him just like that so you HATE him! You don't need a kin reason on why you hate him.
Or probably because this seinen is not for you?
No. 1957920
>>1957856The muh representation + free speech absolutist type proshippers know the dissonance exists which is why they never talk about it. They just ignore it and hope no one brings it up. I have more respect for the lolishota moids for committing to the position but if you try to argue the logical conclusion of that thought process to an SJW proshipper they'll either disregard you or spam buzzwords at you to shut down the conversation.
Not related to the Tumblrspeak woke types but the edgelord anything goes proshippers, what I hate most about them is how they all go "don't like don't read, your tastes in fiction don't represent your morals irl" and then shit on people if they don't want to read about trans men in M/M kek. Many of them will defend raceplay, shipping lesbians with men, and whatever else because kinkshaming is fascism but god forbid you don't want to read about troons in fanfic.
No. 1957929
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>>1957920Save your respect for other people than the lolishota moids. They have the option to be crude, openly degenerate buffoons, the nerdy women don't. We can argue until the cows come home if it's more "respectable" to be "straightforward" about these issues or not but it's the same debate as the age old "I prefer hanging out with guys because men have less drama" narrative. It's a larger issue and not about women being supposedly innately spineless, the moment you say that it's okay to ship 15-year old shounen characters but it's sick that the industry normalized masturbating to 6-year old girls you'll get both the aggressive rape ape army AND pickme cuckqueans sent after you so it's simply easier to shut it down than face the backlash. It's not optimal or the preferred way but there's a reason why it happens.
No. 1957932
>>1957929>compete with the girlsFor what? The attention of men who watch MHA? kek
Also the answer to this complex riddle that nobody wants to say because it's a "double standard" is that it's okay for grown women to ship teenage anime boys because the likelihood of those women using fujoporn as a springboard for consuming real CP is astronomically low, which can't be said for men consooming lolishit because they are the ones who are producing and consuming said real CP. That's why it's okay when women do it. But nobody wants to say this because pointing out male crime statistics is uhhh [spins wheel] bioessentialist white feminism or whatever
No. 1957983
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>>1957929Men will rape and kill random people if allowed to see spicy content, but women can comfortably just be cringy about it and just get tattoos or something. That's why women get to do it and men don't. Rapeapes gonna rapeape if he sees a boob, even.
>>1957965The fiasco about that comicsgate guy killing himself was embarrassing. However many dudes in that thread just going that nobody can talk to women anymore and that women shouldn't work in comics etc etc
>conversation starts and evolves over the course of however much time>oh haha I'm 17>have a nice day, you have some talent but I gotta bounceA miniscule minority of men have the braincells required to immediately disengage from talking to a dubiously aged girl on the internet, but since the vast majority have sex pest disease they don't understand why or how to stop talking to a retarded naive teenage girl just to keep her safe. Better yet, ask for age and search for identifiable age info up front. If someone seems too young, it's because they probably are.
No. 1957987
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>>1957974This is something i have noticed in fandom. Men are always given the benefit of the doubt and even defended, but women are visciously attacked for nothing. Pic rel is kiwiscrotes defending a comic artist that got outed as a pedo and sex pest, this post has positive ratings btw. Meanwhile the vivzie thread is nothing but a literal schizophrenic nlog sperging about how all women desire to be raped because vivzie added some gay rape in her sparkledog furry soap opera.
No. 1958009
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>>1957929>>1957943>>1957983This comic clearly is about Noralities, whose video about how the female characters of MHA (as well as anime in general) often get sexualized. she was later exposed for creating drawing shipping art of the male characters of MHA. we could debate endlessly about it, but the fact is you can't ever criticize someone with a different fetish when it's proven you have your own, as the saying goes "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
No. 1958016
>>1958009i am so tired of this ''men and women should be held at the same standars uwuwuwuwu'' libfem bullshit.
>MHA male characters aren't sexualized>men commit 98% of crimes against women and children>men aren't seen as sexual objects, neither irl nor in media nor are harassed for itit's perfectly fair to complain about female sexualization while enjoying yaoi and husbandos, they aren't the same thing. Also, men are the first ones to throw mantrums when there is a bit of fanservice for women, but don't have a problem with everything always cattering to men.
No. 1958021
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remember to report and ignore nonnies, they have their own containment already
No. 1958042
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>>1953804>That's the thing; anything can be meth. Toothpaste can be meth, sleeping on the rooftop can be meth, popping balloons can be meth/ Anything that gives a dopamine rush and If you keep doing it too much, you develop a paraphiliaas someone who regularly does meth, you're sadly incorrect
No. 1958059
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bnha sexualisation isnt even that bad when you look at what happened to nami from one piece. literally what tf is the author smoking?
No. 1958081
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>both examples are waifubait written by men
>video by a scrote
i am so tired of this
No. 1958125
>>1958081Who the characters are is irrelevant, the reason these youtuber men even bring up characters like Frieren and Makima is because they're popular right now, not because they're particularly big fans of them or the apex of animanga female characters, it's all just trendchasing.
>>1958096If there were more super popular attractive male characters they would be doing the exact same thing but with those instead, I've seen there are a few on Gojo.
No. 1958571
>>1958059because teenage boys are horny and Oda writes for teenage boys.
>Interviewers: "Why do draw boobs so big?"Oda from One Piece: “I keep saying this, but I’m just bringing the young boys’ dreams to life! All of humanity on earth! I command your breasts to grow~!”