/ot/ - off-topic

From a physician:
"If I could only go back to the day before my surgery in March of 2005 – I would run from that surgeon's knife. I have lived and worked as a surgically altered man trying to play the part of a woman for six years. I spared no expense at trying to make it work."

Transgender Suicide
"A staggering 41 percent of transgender people in the United States have attempted to commit suicide, according to a new survey."

if only 100% had succeeded.

INDISTINGUISHABLE

>>211874

This doesn’t surprise me at all. The APA released information within the same venue for years. Different countries around the world have all drawn the same conclusion. Logistically, there are some happy within their transition. But there’s also a TON who don’t feel anything like they thought they would, and a lot go on to struggle more, and even commit suicide.

I always thought that the decision to transition into a different gender was a mental disorder. That, and seeing all these “non passing” acting as if though they are passing (maybe a consequence of the sjw culture we live in) is super strange.

Granted, I still believe in being respectful, but I don’t think these people are actually getting the help they need.

Sage for my own feelings.

>>211910
I said this on another OT thread and will say this again. Transgenders need to stop trying to claim another gender and stop trying to mutilate their body parts, and rather identify as transvestite. You can enjoy dressing up as another gender but you are not and never will be another gender. The only people who actually can call themselves transgender are those born intersexed or had their privates mutilated without their consent (see eunuchs as example).

>>211913
Most of all, they need to stop advocating puberty blockers, hormones and surgeries for children.

>>211913
Yeah, I don;t understand why they aren't compfortable with what amounts to a third gender. There are a number of societies that have a third gender, where they are neither male nor female. I don't get this thing where they have to be A WOMAN or A MAN, instead of a trans woman or trans man.

I think what makes it uncomfortable for me is that especially a lot of MtF trans people seem to have no idea what "psssing" is. Like Even in >>211878 that person is wearing what I would consider an odd clothing choice. Most women do not go around wearing a see-thru shirt with nothing on underneath it, especially in broad daylight. It's like they want to flash their not-tits or something. I don't know. Most of them like risque evening wear at all times of the day or something. They claim they've always been a ~woman~, and yet they have no idea how to act or present as one, except as a caricature of one. I don't get it.

>>211931
I think this is the argument of most rational people. IMO conforming to traditional gender constructs should be a personal choice, with no social repercussions if decided against (hey, I can dream). Idgaf if a man wants to wear pink frilly tutu skirts, walk around being cute AF, slaying liner with super-long hair, acting smol, be a househusband… but he's still a man. The way you act isn't indicative of your biology, just your personality. Because I feel like this, I don't even agree with the idea of a "transman/woman", because the only thing that makes that possible is the incorrect assignment of pronouns and surgery to mutilate the body. In any other format you'd be considered seriously mentally ill, but when it's adopting a different sex, that's fine and should be accepted? Cool, I'm now a zebra, off to get a tail attached soon.

/sage for fucking rant because i'm sick of this subject, and how insulting it is to everyone else with mental health problems that this particular one is validated while the rest struggle to survive in everyday society

>>211932
This is why I can't wait for the transracial movement to take off so then liberal SJW can shut the fuck up about trans rights. I especially dont get black women who are so pro-transgender and jizz over Laverne Cox (man in a dress) but are against Rachel Dolezal who feels black. Saged.

I think it's stupid to get genital reconstruction because it's barbaric and doesn't do shit to actually give the person real genitals of the opposite sex.

but trans people deserve rights and to be allowed to exist without fear of being bullied or beaten or even murdered. it's sad. who the hell gives a fuck what they do? does it affect you in any actual way?

I also think they play into the idea of gender constructs when saying they want to be a man or woman… when many of them say "gender's a social construct" yet playing right into it and showing their minds are identifying strict male and female boundaries. it's fucking backwards.

>>211935
>who the hell gives a fuck what they do? does it affect you in any actual way?

It's been discussed in other threads. It does affect me when they try to call women "womb carriers" and assimilate into women spaces, only to rape/hurt them.

>>211935
Oh I completely agree that they don’t deserve retribution for not identifying with their assigned gender. I’m not advocating killing, bullying, or even lightly maligning trans people. But many argue that what they do affects no one except them… then try to affect everything possible - especially the gender they’re acting as (more so in MtF) - and anyone who doesn’t let them do so is transphobic.

>>211935
>does it affect you in any actual way?
Gee, let's see, because of the trans movement more and more young children are being referred to trans specialists for not conforming to the roles assigned to their gender… which means that people are starting to believe that if you don't like your gender roles you should mutilate your body… yup, this totally doesn't affect me or anyone else in any way. We just hate trans people because we're meanies.

>>211940
Theres also the fact that trans advocates will call anyone transphobic for not wanting to date trans people. If i wanna date a man, i want a cis man with a dick. If i want a woman, i want a cis woman with a vagina, i do NOT want to date a trans person who claims to be a man but still has a pussy. That doesnt make me a bigot. MTF trannies with dicks also will call themselves lesbians and try to invade a woman only space, its disgusting and gross. Same with FTM trannies who want to force gay men to date them and accept their lady bits.

>>211935
thinking that what someone else does, doesn't affecting others is denying the fact that culture exists, essentially. everyone anyone does effects everyone else.

>>211960
also, what trans people really deserve is to try to have their mental illness treated properly.

I totally agree about the assholes effecting poor children, and the assholes pretending to be trans in order to take advantage of women. But most trans people throughout history haven't hurt people or affected culture much. They have been using the bathroom they want for decades. I think this new wave of trans SJWs and trans supporters who are SJWs are horrible are ruining the trans community. It's so fucked up.

It's like the new wave of feminists who are making feminism look terrible and batshit crazy.

>>212035
I totally agree the SJW's are doing more harm than good just like they did with feminism. There is the crazy version of it that everyone associates with, then there are the real groups who keep their heads down. Same with Trans thing.

Most real trans keep it on the down low and don't want attention drawn to them. You only really know is if they want to date you but are also chill if you don't agree. I was blown away when 3 people said I was transphobic when I didn't agree giving children who didn't reach puberty, hormone blockers and giving them early surgery was wise. They couldn't understand that mentally most "trans" people aren't even trans. It is a phase, an identity crisis or a trend. Trans is such a rare thing.

>>212035
https://taramaclaywasaterf.tumblr.com/post/161609467008/the-tip-of-the-iceberg-please-add-to-this-list meh, here are some examples. I could add a hundred more, but I'm lazy… It's like what >>211940 says, they enter female spaces and it often leads to bullying, rape, and other forms of assault.

There's also the fact that the entire concept of being transgender is extremely sexist…

>>211913
I agree with you. I'm sick of these people trying to invade female-only spaces (which are there to protect women) with the claim that they have "female brains". Trans women reduce femininity to some kind of laughable drag queen act.

>>212038
It's horrifying that people think that children should be allowed HRT or surgery to change their sex. Children are still growing and learning about themselves. I'm a cis straight woman but as a child, I was a tomboy and loved hockey and soccer, I even wore boys' clothes for a while because I turned my nose up at "girly" clothes. I was a tomboy, period. I never thought about changing my sex or wanting to be a boy. That was back in the 90s. But today, people would think I was transgender!

I believe only adults 18+ should be allowed to get HRT or surgery, they can go ahead and do whatever thei want, but kids should be left alone to figure out shit.

Saged.

>>211935
>does it affect you in any actual way?

Yes. It does. Trans people are demanding to be in female-only spaces such as bathrooms, changing rooms and sleeping areas. I feel bad not wanting them there but as you can see from the other threads, this is usually just a fetish for men. I've hid in the bathrooms with friends who were drugged at night clubs, I want to be able to be in a private area without feeling vulnerable to men's eyes. Women always bring their male children into the bathrooms with them, why is that? Because we don't trust men. Why am I suddenly supposed to be able to trust one after they've gotten a boob job and they dress like a prostitute? Anyway, if everything becomes gender neutral, it won't just be the ones who "pass" that will be allowed into women's spaces because that would be insulting to them. Everyone, even if they're over 6ft, with a beard and men's clothing will be allowed to freely walk into a women's changing room because who are you to say they're not a woman?

It's very much affecting us. I think I've said this before somewhere else on the website, but trans people in my country are now requesting that women now be called "uterus carriers" because trans men have uteruses and trans women feel left out smfh. I refuse to be called a "uterus carrier" and reduced to an object, to my reproductive organs. I'm a human being, thanks.

I'm 100% for trans people having the same rights as me and I don't want them to have to suffer bullying and hate crimes. But insisting that my safety and rights be infringed upon is where I draw the line. I'm totally all for everyone living this short life in whatever way they want and that's why I respect all my trans friends, if that's what makes them happy. But not if it comes at the price of the safety and comfort of women and children. Never.

>>212052
I think most reasonable people feel this way, the most children get are drugs that delay puberty, which while they aren't perfect, is better than kids killing themselves due to dysphoria.

I feel like people often ignore that the medical industry is just doing what they can see is the best option based off the evidence provided.

>>212056
>trans people in my country are now requesting that women now be called "uterus carriers"
How can they not see how incredibly demeaning this is? I hope no one's taking them seriously. Where is this, anyway?

>>212089
No anon, puberty blockers are still unsafe as fuck and mess up puberty in general if the child becomes an adult and wants to transition. The medical industry is not doing the best option. Dysphoria is a mental issue and should be treated as such, most trans people have other mental health issues that are ignored to 'treat' their dysphoria. It's a mental condition, we should treat it like other similar conditions and help the person live with themselves. Instead we allow people to mutilate themselves and try to make everyone else cheer them on and accept them. This is not what we should be doing. This is like telling anorexics that they are okay, and trying to make it possible for them to live as walking skeletons, instead of confronting their issues and helping them understand that they -are- in fact issues that can and should be overcome, we are giving into them and letting them control their lives.

We already have a thread for trans wank.