/ot/ - off-topic

I consider surrogacy to be unacceptable, no matter who’s getting
>B-b-but what if she’s infertile/has a disease/had a hysterectomy??1?11?
Even more reason for her not to be an eligible candidate. If you can’t physically create your own child, then I feel like that sure as hell means you shouldn’t be allowed to traffic a woman to get pregnant, give birth, and sell her child to you. Another thing I hate and feel like needs to be made illegal is when gay men are allowed to hire a woman and buy the baby off of her. Men should not be allowed to raise children with no mother present, under any circumstances.

Surrogacy shouldn't happen and IVF should only be available for lesbians. Don't spread your shitty infertile genes onto your children

No

>>2475364
I'd argue it's even worse when the couple is capable of having a child and has the money to take care of it, but they just don't want to go through the hassle of pregnancy and the changes it brings to the body

>>2475399
That’s a fucking abomination. If they’re unwilling to go through with pregnancy, giving birth, and postpartum, the whole entire initiation into becoming a mother then they shouldn’t try to become a parent. That’s just not someone who’s even mentally prepared for raising a child, if they’re not even willing to go through with a pregnancy.

Agree with other nonas that it shouldn't exist and gay moids should not under any circumstances ever be allowed to even adopt children.

All these "debate" threads popping up because ban evaders are slowly realizing that Unpopular Opinions is gonna die soon so they wanna create as many infight zones as possible kekkk(off-topic)

>>2475436
I haven't been making these threads, but I'm glad someone has. These are recurring topics across the site and discussion in threads gets pretty derailed when they come up. It's nice to be able to point someone to the AI debate thread when they start waxing about psychology of NPCs.

>>2475349
Surrogacy thread is here:
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/24356.html

>>2475409
But isn't that what moids do by default?

>>2475520
Thanks for the link, anon! This thread also covers IVF and gene-editing, though, and that thread is anti-surrogacy. I think this one will be okay to stay up as long as we ignore and report obvious bait, but farmhands can decide when they wake up.
>>2475368
Threadpic says that IVF also meant the parents selected for "gender and health", so are there benefits to IVF that aren't just about infertility? What does it mean by "health"?
Maybe op can clarify what she means by "gene editing" as well. Is there a form of gene-editing that happens at the embryo stage, or are we talking about stuff like CRISPR?

mo one and especially not weird creepy men, should have the right to create their own ideal children, and no child deserves to be treated like a lab experiment

>>2475742
Child sex slave farms are going to be a real thing in the near future. It's terrifying. Hideous but rich scrotes creating genetically engineered Stacy female offspring in labs so they can rape them.

>>2475528
Even more reason why it shouldn't be accessible for straight couples if it's gonna be used for people with extreme gender preferences and with genes bad enough they're actually worried about passing them into their kids

>>2475364
the fact gay men use surrogates is so fucked up to me. Like even men who have no interest in us still want to exploit us for our bodies, the fuck

Regarding the genetic editing. In an ideal world, it would be used to cure inherited illnesses and disabilities, rather than get a child with specific traits like blond hair or blue eyes and other trivial useless shit. Although I can understand wanting a strong healthy maybe tall baby or something but that's a slippery slop, too. If I could turn back time and fix baby me's genetics so I wouldn't grow up with so many health issues and not ugly, I'd do it tbh.

>>2475887
In the ideal world people wouldn't use this to begin with. Even if it's successful the child will still be the carrier for bad genetics, and you shouldn't have people reproduce under the idea that they'll actually use IVF when it's each generations turn to reproduce

i think this is the perfect thing to post for this thread and it shows how society (both men and women) view women as cattle and products.

If you want to feel sick to your stomach read the things they have done to these women by using them as cattle and forcibly farming their eggs.

https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/trapped-in-the-surrogacy-boom-thai-women-rescued-from-human-egg-farms-in-georgia

In an ideal world, gene editing would be only use for a certainity of being healthy, no fucked up genes, no genetic diseases and such and everyone who says "B-But!" doesn't clearly know how much do these conditions make everyone suffer, from the people that suffer from it to parents being basically forced to be a caretaker 24/7. I never understood why, even with modern screening, why someone would give birth to a heavily deformed/retarded child, it reeks of egoism and munchie like illnesses, plus that child, and it's sad to say but it's true, will be put in schools despite barely knowing they're alive (and thus potentially traumatizing other children - when I was a kid I had a kid that was barely more than a vegetable and once he had a crisis where even the teacher got scared) and then closed into some kind of structure, I wouldn't do that to my child so yeah, I'm not for "let's create a beautiful blonde blue eyed tall baby" but I'm for "let's not spread diseases and curse an infant for personal beliefs" genetics.
On the surrogacy and IVF arguments, I believe that IVF should only be available for single and lesbian women because that's their body they're using but selling and buying embryos is insane. You can't buy a kidney, why buying a baby? Gay men shouldn't be allowed to buy babies because they're men, they lack basic emotional skills in their genetics, but even worse they cannot relate to a potentially female child and since fags have higher narc tendencies, male children are always seen as minime or molestation victims. Even worse, straight couples that simply don't want to go through the hassle of pregnancy should get publicly shamed like get your fucking child and grow it in your womb. "B-but my body is precious!" so? Others are disposable? We are living in a dystopic time and I hate how these practices are being seen as acts of generosity, plus imagine knowing that your mother didn't love you enough to let you grow in her body. I would feel so dehumanized as a kid, I would feel like a preordered packaged. Everything about surrogacy lacks the fundamentals about childbirth: love.

>>2475893
Should've mentioned this in my post, but I was thinking of technology such as CRISPR, where they cut out the bad genes and replace them with good ones or just "sew" the rest of the genes together after removing the bad one. So the child wouldn't carry it anymore. I was under the impression they do this in the womb, do they only do it using IVF?