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No. 546916

Are you an artist? Sick of /ic/‘s male crabs? Want a positive place to talk about your goals, progress, tools, ask questions?

Post here

No. 547002

shhhh watch out anon someone here will find something unrealistic about op image

No. 547080

Can this be called art improvement thread ?

No. 547086

who the fuck is going to post their art here regularly? there was an art discord i think a while back, but i doubt artists here want a greater possibility of their work being recognized. if farmers post their work more power to you but, it's not happening.

No. 547092

Not going to post my actual art for obvious reasons, but do any anons here use acrylic paints? I suddenly felt like trying them so I'd be interested in any tips you have.

No. 547094

I don’t think anyohe’s gonna post their own work, but I think separating salt and general discussion is a good idea

No. 547098

>No thread title
>No list of resources in OP

Shit bread. I don't get why it's needed since it's been discussed multiple times in the art salt thread that nobody wants to attach their own art to lolcow and that it's already normal to use that thread for talking about art materials etc

No. 547112

If you're going to use acrylic seriously you have to invest in the pricier brands and avoid cheap crafty paints. Liquitex professional and Golden are good to learn with. I prefer oil because I like to work wet on wet really slowly and acrylics dry way too fast. You can buy a fancy stay wet palette to keep paints wet longer but I just have a palette with a lid and I put a wet paper towel over my paints when I'm not using them.
I only use primaries and I can get some good colors but sometimes it's hard or impossible to mix certain colors especially good greens so you might want to invest in green too.

No. 547116

Thanks! I did already invest in good paints so I dodged that bullet.

Do you have any tips for wet on wet painting? I have both standard quick-drying acrylics and a set of Golden 'open' acrylics which take a couple of days to dry, so I can try wet on wet as well. I normally paint with watercolor and gouache, so I'm used to color mixing but not using thick paint.

No. 547117

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Which one of this anatomy drawing method is the most beginner friendly? Planned to study after finished proko figure drawing course. Pic related

No. 547138

Look up Reilly Rhythms method too, it’s popular at Watts Atelier, where Proko studied. He then moved to the Loomis method, and either can work. Just find something that works for you. I would try all of them and you can use them all for your studies. You don’t have to stick to one method.

No. 547162

Just wanted to second getting good quality to start. Some of the lower end brands will lift back up with water.

I don't have any tips for wet on wet, but since you're working with Golden, just know that their customer service is amazing. You can call them up with all sorts of technical questions if you're unsure of specific differences between some of their more closely related mediums.

I think they have a youtube channel or just videos on their site (don't remember) that also demonstrate different products and techniques, but some of it will look a little more on the crafty side with the final product since they're just super-quick demos of what something is or how-to.

No. 547228

Not the anon you're replying to, but I was wondering what gouache you use/recommend for beginners? I just started painting with watercolors recently but want to start playing with gouache too. I remember seeing an anon on an old artist salt thread recommended schmincke’s student line, but I can’t seem to find the student gouaches in particular available on any US based sites/sites that will ship to the US.

No. 547295

I use Winsor & Newton, but it's the only brand I've ever used so I don't know if it's especially good. I've honestly never seen student grade gouache where I am? Watercolors definitely come in student and professional grade here but gouache seems to just be one type per brand.

No. 547308

try miya gouache. as gimmicky as they look they stay pretty vibrant and are easy to use, are avaible in the US and in a decent price. Just be wary of the smell, it's very strong.

No. 547626

I just got an iPad and Procreate. I’ve done mostly traditional work. I want an unbiased opinion on whether my drawings are decent/worth anything.
Would anyone be interested in giving critique if I drew Lolcowtan?
I’m just starting out on social media. So I honestly don’t give a damn if I’m outed as being a farmer.

No. 547661

OP img is so symmetrical it's making me bug out

No. 547855

look again, it's almost but not actually symmetrical, like real face would be.

No. 547889

Sure I'll try to critique you.
If you want to get commissions it mostly depends on getting a fanbase/showing a lot of people.

No. 547891

Thanks for the replies! I’ve been using W&N for my watercolors but wanted to try out a different brand of gouache just to experiment with different brands, but I’ll definitely look into the Miya gouaches!

No. 547947

But the bits that aren't symmetrical are odd, like one eye is larger than the other and in a different place. Yet the nose and mouth are nearly completely symmetrical. How many people d'ya see with one bugged out eye and an otherwise perfectly mirrored face? The best part to make non-symmetrical is the mouth (as Disney artists are aware) and the eyebrows, realistic without making a funky looking character.

No. 548720

I need to figure out some kind of routine to get into drawing more. I liked taking art classes at school and have a bunch of resources + tools but I always give up. It sucks looking and old stuff and thinking “oh, I actually made some progress there…”

Would anyone want to share what kind of schedule they make for themselves for drawing?

No. 548748

It's worth trying to figure out what the barrier stopping you really is, because then you can find the best way round it.

Personally, I suffer pretty badly from inertia and it's hardest for me to just get started, so I try to draw at least every other day (every day tends to burn me out but YMMV) and set a 6-minute timer to start with. If I really just DO NOT want to draw that day, I can stop after the 6 minutes are up, but normally I keep going because I was just having trouble sitting down and starting. It's also only 6 minutes so I can fit it in whenever if I'm busy. They key is to treat the 6 minutes as 'enough' if that's genuinely all you do that day. It doesn't work if you feel bad for doing 'only' 6 minutes, that tiny bit has to let you stop for the day with no guilt.

Depending on your personal situation, it might also be that you need to pick the right time of day, or the right workspace or something. What is it that makes you want to give up?

No. 548883

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Thank you! I know I need to work on clothing folds for sure. Still trying to figure this program out. I was lazy by not shading.

No. 548905

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I'm not the anon you replied to, but her left forearm is way too short. The way it's drawn makes it look like if her arm was straight it would only hang down to her hip-bone, when it should go to her mid-thigh, pic related.

Also idk if this is a little nitpicky, but the milk jug is very 2 dimensional. We see lolcow-tan at a 3/4 view, so we should be able to see a little bit of the bottom of the milk jug.

No. 548906

She seems to be floating on the cow rather than sitting on it to me. I agree with >>548902 on the anatomy and milk jug as well!

No. 548913

Thank you both for your critiques! I don't think of it as nitpicking at all. I appreciate it and understand the mistakes I made. The milk jug and cow need touch-ups.
I'll try to study proportions and drawing objects more in the future.

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No. 548993

This thread is unnecessary (use the red-line thread) and the OP image is disgusting.

No. 549016

Seconding Vilppu, especially for gestures.

No. 549351

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I'm a self taught artist. I usually draw for fun and as a hobby. But lately I've noticed that my art skill has been stagnating for a few years. I can't seem to improve anymore. I hate my early 2000s chibi anime artstyle and I want to change it but I can't seem to do it since I've been drawing cute chibi anime artstyle for years. I've compared my artstyle with popular artists on IG and sad to say, my artstyle looks so outdated and stale. I tried copying different artists' artstyle as practice but somehow I always end up drawing a finish artwork in my style in the end. I wish I can draw a more western cartoonish style (ala Disney or Calart style) or a semi realistic style (think of the beautiful girls and handsome men headshots most IG artists draw) which I think is more popular artstyle on social media. How do you break free from your own artstyle that you've been drawing with for years?

Should I try enrolling in an online art class and learn basic anatomy? Is it worth the money? I think I really need a class room structure and a teacher to help me improve my art skill because I can't seem to learn anything by myself. I tend to get too overwhelmed with all the different info and sources on how to improve your art skill. Can some kind Anons recommend a good and affordable online art class or maybe a good free vid tutorial that's easy for a hobbyist to learn from? Thanks in advance!

No. 549360

I think I’m stuck in that mindset of needing to use my time for productive things, so when I see that my art isn’t that great it feels like a waste to sit and draw. It definitely feels intimidating to go online and see so many artists that are really good, and digital art tools are so accessible now a lot of people start young. But I do like the feeling when I work on something and then go back and fix mistakes I hadn’t noticed before.

No. 549402

Speaking from experience, the classroom structure can be totally worthwhile. Really, just having a good art mentor who supports your growth and is there to answer your questions is beneficial.

If it weren't for the current times, I'd recommend a live class over an online one. But with either kind of class, having a dedicated learning environment and someone you can talk to 1 on 1 will help a whole lot.

No. 549409

I'm a fandom artist moving to work on my own comic I aspire to post on webtoons once I have a few chapters done. I have a lot of anxieties but at the same time I wanna do something that is completely my own to save my sanity and to spark inspiration in me again.
I have a feeling my comic wont be all that popular but at the same time I don't care. I guess I'm just wanting. I wanna be able to go like "Hey you see this? I did that."
Whoo feels nice to get off my chest

No. 549434

Hmm, that's tricky. I guess the first thing to do would be to make sure you don't look at other artists before you start working? Like make sure you already finished drawing for the day before you go on instagram or whatever. 'Comparison is the thief of joy' and etc.

Maybe another anon has a better idea, but if you like seeing your own progress it might help to choose a specific thing to practice? If you sit down with the intention of practicing a particular skill (anatomy, perspective, inking, color theory etc.) then you'll get to see how you improve, and it'll be harder to compare yourself to others because you're not doing complete pieces. If you see someone else's art and get discouraged, you can practice something you think they do really well, and congratulate yourself on working hard to improve. Do you think that could help?

No. 549467

I don't have any specific recs at the moment, but I just wanted to say that learning how to draw is like building muscle, the results don't show up immediately. I always leave a study session feeling overwhelmed and frustrated that my work isn't good enough, but later on I'll notice the thing I was studying isn't as difficult as it once was. Effort applied consistently over time is what yields results. It doesn't even have to be a huge amount, the consistency is what's key. That and pushing yourself outside your comfort zone. You don't have to produce a nice finished piece to get better, you just have to try something uncomfortable. You will get so much more out of the attempt.

If you want to study a different style, go ahead and gather a bunch of references and really dig into them. Try to replicate an image you like, first on your own. Then pretend you're a scientist and really tear it apart. Trace the lines to get a feel for them, color pick the colors to analyze them, try and figure out what kind of brushes can achieve a similar look. Then afterwards try copying it again, and compare it to the first attempt. You will definitely see improvement. Alternatively, you can find a "speedpaint" of an artist you like and slow it down and paint along. Literally pause the video and copy what they are doing. Its slow and painful, but it doesn't have to be an all day thing. You could do 1 minute of the video a day. Again, effort applied over time. Good luck anon, I know you can do it.

No. 549785

You can find a lot of resources for free online. Andrew Loomis is good for a more realistic style, and there's at least one Preston Blair book running around for a more animation-based style. The best way to break free from a style you're stuck in is to work on your base building blocks first. Work on proportions and shapes; don't even finish the image, just get a hang of the basic workings of a style you're interested in. Break down images into their base forms to see how everything goes together. Trace over them to help you find those basic shapes.

As far as getting overwhelmed with too much info, if you're learning with a book, don't read it all at once. Just work on one exercise/page at a time. Then either don't move on until you're comfortable and confident with what you've learned or treat it like a class: one to two exercises a week depending on your free time. Set a specific day and time for working on those exercises and stick to it.

Art improvement is always going to be a series of inclines and plateaus. During your plateau, you'll start to see more of the flaws in your own work and be better able to address them. You work on and fix them, get more adept, and plateau again.

No. 550361

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. At least with a mentor someone can guide me on the right path and can give useful feedbacks. I wish I can go to a live class but sadly I live in a small town that doesn't have live art class for adults. So online is the only option for me. But I might try googling again just in case there are private art tutors out there that can teach me basic anatomy skills.


Thanks for the art tips Anon. I'll try to push myself and do more basic anatomy studies. I've never learned proper anatomy studies before, it feels a bit daunting. I do like the idea of copying speedpaint artist and do a paint along. I've never tried that. I'll try and give it ago. Now I just need to create a set schedule to practice drawing.


Andrew Loomis? I think I saw several books made by him. Which book is the best one to learn basic anatomy? Or should I just follow all the books?

No. 550526

Loomis wrote one called "Figure Drawing for All it's Worth" which focuses on the human body, there's a download link at the top of one of the old artist salt threads.

I'd also recommend online life drawing, Croquis Cafe on Vimeo have videos of life models doing timed poses like you'd get in a proper life drawing class. It's good for learning to draw what you see and getting a feel for how bodies actually look IRL.

No. 551674

>online life drawing
How big of an issue is the lack of depth in this case compared to irl 3D?

No. 551675

I feel like I'm the only artist who doesn't draw the exact same face and body on women

No. 551708

It's not a problem as such, but I would say part of the work in IRL life drawing is translating the 3D body onto a 2D plane, whereas watching a video the screen has sort of done that for you. Whether that makes it easier or not probably depends on the person.

I'd say IRL life drawing is always the best if you can access/afford it, but online is good enough if you can't. You'll still be able to learn a lot about anatomy and the figure.

No. 553239


you sound like a cow

No. 553281

sorry you're so fucking self obsessed lol

No. 553291

Is this the artist version of NLOGging?

No. 645341

any advice for drawing more? ideally every day. it sounds stupid but I'm always in slumps for months where I rarely draw. It's hard for me– tiring or I don't have ideas. My back hurts too but regular breaks might help
I envy my old online friends who would crank out art daily for deviantart at 13. They were always drawing and developing their skill. I barely draw at all how do you get to that? Or is it too late since I never created the habit early like they did? now I'm achy and tired when drawing at 21. I take so long to finish that I lose interest in each one, also getting over depression lol

No. 645373

I feel you. Is investing in a better chair/desk set up an option? That might help with the pain.
As far as finding motivation to draw and creating habits goes, just MAKE yourself do it. 20 minutes of drawing a day is always better than not drawing at all. When I don't know what to draw, I do studies of other people's art i admire. Just keep your pencil moving anon! You'll get there.

No. 645593

I don't mind my art being associated with /ic/ but no way would I ever post it on lolcow.

No. 645636

Doodle a lot. Draw whatever's around you. Go through a shopping site and draw things from there. Don't pressure yourself to draw daily because chances are you'll quit, aim to doodle three or four times a week and soon it'll be a habit.
Watching videos on values, perspective and shading would be a good idea too. Once you start incorporating these into your art it becomes much better, since a lot of beginners struggle with these concepts.
If you're out of ideas or your back hurts too much to sit down and draw, do drawing exercises from Drawabox or practice shading. At least then you get better at making smooth lines and don't have to sit for hours.

No. 645740

if you have a block maybe it's time to focus on improving or doing a daily figure drawing from croquis cafe or something like that, focus on new materials/subjects?

No. 645788

Thanks! i drew a halloween decoration we have today which was good practice even if I made it stylized. seems you're all right it's simply good to be drawing. I like your suggestions + appreciate it, good luck to all of us!

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