/ot/ - off-topic

GENUINE question, not baiting or trying to start anything: is this thread going to be allowed or won't it just get banned like the radfem threads did? because most likely, it'll be just as if not more filled with insane infighting. apparently it was trendy to be a radfem like 3 months ago and now it's just been swapped to anti feminism kek. let's see how long it takes til mods lock this.

This thread is technically still breaking that rule.

I’m not a ~based, socialist, tranny hating anti sex work radfem~ but I’m also not a queer poly sex worker libfem who supports trans ppl. I think feminism is too divided in things like that.
It’s definitely necessary but I am lazy, idk how some problems in society (esp the first world) would be fixed, but I think we should focus on countries where girls can’t even go to school and are forced into marriage. How do we even begin to change the way women are perceived in the first world?

This thread confuses me tbh, i'd call myself sorta pink pilled for lack of a better term, maybe gencrit, very aware of the "watcher through the keyhole" meme and my eyes are generally opened to the reality for women but some people consider that blackpill/feminism just for being aware and agreeing with radical feminism, that sort of thing. A lot of it was just from growing up gnc/attracted to women which gives you a different perspective. I don't identify as feminist because that implies activism, i'm not perfect here I am on a site bitching about women, but I hold feminist views in most people's eyes. Often the ideal for feminism can be unrealistic and has become clouded with online extreme interpretations of everything as all politics has. Radfem writers like Andrea Dworkin sometimes miss the mark, take it too far but the backbone of what they're saying i see as true and not really a belief/political stance, just educating other women about realities about being female and lifting them up, letting them know they don't have to cater to men, they're generally 'not your friends' and women are taken advantage of and need feminism for self-empowerment, being able to speak out against male entitlement of our bodies, things like that but it's a vastly different beast in the first world, not really the same blatant treatment of women as second class citizens as we see elsewhere. I don't really understand "ex-feminism" because once you're aware and educated about how women are treated, it never really goes away. I was on radblr for a while but these women are wasting their lives trying to educate people who simply do not want to change and I see this a lot, women absolutely wasting their breath either preaching to the choir or to people in a way that just will not get through.

>>566073
>tranny hating radfem

love how radfems always get shit for "hating" trannies for things like fighting for locker room policies but non radfems never address the extreme misogyny trannies have like saying liking being choked is what makes you a woman. I'm not even a radfem and a lot of radfems are morons but they have a point.

>>566064
Shit thread

Never was a feminist and I always made fun of the manhating Dworkin types. Free expression takes priority in my set of beliefs and the main thing that turned me anti-feminist was the "women's representation in media" rhetoric in the early 2010s which was essentially pro-censorship and resulted in some censored video games and some dumb twitter outrages. While I don't think a panty upskirt no longer being in a game is a major thing, I also don't like pro-censorship influences getting its way.

For the most part, I think feminism is creating a different set of problems while not necessarily solving any or making things better for women. The things with instagrammers behind snow that claims "she's all natural no shooping" does a lot more against "young girls' self esteem and unrealistic beauty standards" than a CGI or anime character.

It's not any better that plastic surgery seems to be getting destigmatized; and dudes wanting to get their dick chopped off and a hole drilled between their legs are now a protected minority, vice versa.

>>566064

This thread is literally tradthot muh beautiful cottage life bait since we can't talk about GC stuff, can't believe lolcow is going to do an 180 and be home to these types, welp but it does fit the femcel prudechan spergs we always get on the other threads.

>>566113
I have a legitimate dissenting opinion about feminism and have been ignoring the pink pill threads for a long time tbh.

OP what is it that you're asking?
Are you asking if someone changed their values and ideals, or if they just left 'feminism' as a movement ie. they don't attend marches and don't publicly identify as a feminist?

If it's the latter I think it's self-explanatory why people might not want to be seen associating with a group that catches an umbrella reputation due to the range of philosophies from liberal feminism, intersectional feminism, radical feminism, etc. Someone who might have more moderate views probably is either disappointed or overwhelmed by the current wave where there doesn't seem to be any specific focus and a lot of infighting.

Women who changed their ideals though and suddenly want to tradthot? Probably got dicked down by a man and see their catering to the traditional role of being servile and having rivalries with other women as a form of survival. I don't think anyone would give up their rights and choices without outside factors.

>>566113
The bpdchans are just going through the motions again anon, we'll all be pickme egirls by fall

>>566117
I took it as a feminist looking for feedback and improvements or whatever since:
> What changes within the movement would earn your support? Discuss here.
It's not a perfect movement by a longshot, and twittards have a disproportionate amount of representation and influence over any other type of internet user.

>>566117
> we'll all be pickme egirls by fall
I put black tape over my laptop's webcam. No way am I ever signing up for social media in 2020.

>>566117
Oh dear sweet beezejus i hope not anon! I can deal with the tradthots but if we get a bunch of yungcynicals? utterly disastrous.

>>566118

Yeah but we are not allowed to make radfem leaning and GC comments so that kinda nulls a huge chunk of criticism users here would make, im not a radfem myself but that only leaves the right wing-y types speaking space.

>>566122
I don't know where "we are not allowed" is coming from, you're not allowed to derail and bait that's literally it, shitposters/baiters were using radical feminism to shit up threads and it was bad for the board, there's no conspiracy to censor you, nobody cares. You just get "fuck off back to asherah's garden" if you're obviously being autistic and derailing because you had to call some girl in the vent thread a pickme kek

>>566123

Again not a radfem (heck if anything i have more tradthotism leaning even if im commplaining about them), but yeah no, radfem discussion isn't allowed anymore, it gets you banned, i've been banned for a day for sarcastically saying AGP Theory in OT.
Its not plastered there in the rules but you can easily tell the mods are very strict on it and will get you banned.

>Racebaiting for days on end
>This shit
Lolcow is gradually turning into even more of a cesspool version of crystal cafe

>>566127
I agree that the admins/farmhands got nasty and i remember "you're not wanted here" in meta. You definitely should have been able to make a joke but GC comments as a whole are definitely allowed. You're right that radfeminist-sounding replies do get a ban but they also get a collective "shut the fuck up" so it doesn't come across as censorship/we're not allowed to me, just that radfem sperging isn't accepted in the board's culture right now and largely just comes across and functions as bait. I've lurked AG and i understand why they think they're being driven out but it's not radfems specifically being driven out, it's the any chance they get /pol/fag level of Bringing The Agenda that literally nobody wants to see. In this thread and in /ot/ in general there's definitely a significant amount of pp/gc women that put notes of it into posts but it's fine, it's taking it to another level that imo breaks "doesn't pander to your ideology" levels and therefore merits a ban. Tradthot shit is weird but i'm glad we've moved on from trying to pretend the board had any radfem origins or "men were and are never allowed", trying to twist the entire site into a large radfem board. I still see constant hi scrote/i'm reading into your post and you must be a man which is "against the rules" when men can and do post here, they just can't announce themselves

>>566109
Hard agree.

>>566123
Anon they went out of their way to close 3+ popular threads AND a whole board relating to it to zhe point admin straight up told those users to fuck off somewhere else. All the justifications made for those decisions don't even count anymore now either (or else we neither had this thread nor actual /pol/fag lingo suddenly popping up in the main /ot/ threads or anti-radfem spergs bringing it up out of nowhere at every chance they get) and were just used for those specific posters to get them out.

>>566138
>They went out of their way to close
Because the threads were a shitshow of infighting, us vs them and got to the point where they couldn't exist on the site. I seriously think you're tinfoiling and reading too much into it

>>566141
What am I tinfoiling? It can't be any more clear than admin and staff saying they don't want those users here.

>>566142
This shit is why your threads get locked lol, nobody cares I promise you, you're just trying to infight and it's not about radfeminism it's about your behavior and how you can't put your politics away

>>566144
I'm not the one trying to infight here.

I disagree with the whole "you can't be mean to other women/have to accept everyone/support every decision even if it's retarded" mindset. That and some of the things pushed as "empowering" seem embarrassing and kind of backwards. However I don't support trad shit either.

>>566132
I honestly still don't get why GC people got targeted. The GC threads were always extremely well behaved, full of informative scientific resources and I don't recall even bans for infighting. Suddenly everyone just started calling them cancer and blaming the downgrade in quality on them. It still doesn't make any sense to me. I don't believe in the tranny janny tinfoil myself because it doesn't seem plausible and the threads were so sensible that I find it hard for anyone to be so seething over them. I don't know if one of the mods was GC and pissed everyone off to the point they started hating everyone associated with the movement or something and the admin never gave a reason why GC people in particular wanted to be yeeted off the site so I guess it'll forever remain a mystery.

>>566152
It's a meme, you legit can't broach the subject of radical feminism without rapid-fire sperging and samefagging from anons that have a huge vested interest in hating radfems despite probably not being troons because there's a sitewide troons are a joke sentiment. I'd love to know the profile of these spergers because it's just so funny

>>566152
Same, Anon.
I know all the shills will reply "well you weren't paying attention if you didn't notice [insert claim here] happening massively!" but like… I genuinely saw no infighting, 'PP Sperging in every other thread' or racism (a one talked about their experiences as black women with black men and that was racebaiting apparently).
It feels like Mandela effect lmao.

>>566152
>>566155

Hard Agree, there was no infighting and it only spilled out to other threads when troons were concerned, but lolcow has never been tranny friendly being a chan offshoot.

>>566155
I just think it's huge longterm baiting for the sake of baiting, trying to rewrite site history for the sake of an argument is spergy and dishonest. People just like to create drama on imageboards

>>566152
Because admin doesn't like radfems

if we're not allowed to have a feminist thread, why are we allowed to have an ex feminist thread? it's the same topics being discussed, just a different viewpoint

>>566162
I don't think 'we're allowed', farmhands are just busy fingering themselves and thread will be locked soon enough
>>566161
Assuming this is true, so what? Who says she has to be impartial or fair? She's confirmed for a cutter so her emotional dysregulation is probably activated when people keep talking about shit she doesn't want discussed. Not the end of the world, anyone who willingly runs or helps run an imageboard will be some flavor of retarded

>>566163

I mean the site rules say it supposed to be impartial lol

lolcow doesn't cater to your political alignments and all that.

>>566166
Yeah and farmers flout rules all the time, why can't they? They have no moral standards to uphold, we don't even know who they are. Farmhands likely tripdropped and infought in /meta/, thinking any of this is impartial is a joke but you're taking it too seriously if you're battling against censorship and freedom of speech on lolcow

>>566163
Yeah, but her flavor of retarded gets in the way of this site's rules. She can hardly expect users to follow the rules when she doesn't lol

>>566141
I just don't see why people who didn't like it couldn't just hide the thread then. As per the sticky. They chose to come in and get triggered.

>>566176
The problem was that the radfems weren't confined to their own threads. It leaked all over /ot/, created a hostile atmosphere and caused massive amounts of infighting.

At least try a little, this bait dry af.
What the fuck is an “ex-feminist”? You stopped believing in women rights? Lmao
I no longer subscribe to libfem poison so 90% twitter would consider me “not a rweal feminist”.
Place your bets anons, how long will admin leave this thread up out of pure passive aggression?

>>566191
Hey newfag, stop structuring your posts like you do your instagram caption rants, also "this is bait"ing and then replying for 4 lines is retarded

>>566076
Nah I don’t like them either, but I will definitely not say anything about it because I don’t wanna be seen as a bigot