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No. 574186

Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine.

Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists

-Talk about Art Youtubers

-Ask about art supplies

-Discuss trashy art trends

-Instagram bullshit

-Art theft!

-General Art Bullshit



Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:


Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon


No. 574187

Sorry if it's a shitty thread I didn't know what to put for the picture or the description.
Last thread >>557223

No. 574192

Lachri talked about how shady arteza was to her, and how she doesn't trust them. I don't mind yt having sponsors, but I never trusted arteza and can't believe how many yt promote them.

time stamp, 01:18:31

No. 574311

Isn't Tobi the same chick who lied about people from coming from YMS's video on Kimba the White Lion to hers' and telling her she should be raped and other things?

No. 574344

dont know if she lied, but something like that. anons talked about it in the previous thread with screenshots.

No. 574347

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I just looked it up (it's one of the results that pop up when you google her kek)and this is what I found. I know you can delete comments on Youtube but, I wouldn't put it past her to lie about it for pity.

No. 574348

I gotta be frank, I wanna branch out into drawing more guys but i never have any good ideas For what to draw. It always defaults to another pretty girl.

Any solutions?

No. 574349

Sometimes you just have to force yourself to draw things for the sake of practice.
If you really can't think of anything, just go to Line of Action and force yourself to draw male poses in whatever style you have.

No. 574351

I don't think she's lying. She probably did get one comment saying she should be raped and killed or whatever. But then she probably exaggerated the problem.
I think what's more telling is going to videos that were featured in the YMS video. The ones that still have comments enabled do not have any kind of rape or kill yourself comments, aside from maybe one in a sea of hundreds. And those videos are the ones most fans will be commenting on. Not some random video with a handful of views from tiny tobi.

No. 574368

That's a really good point actually. She does seem like the type to get one negative comment and blow it WAY out of proportion. Her saying that she deleted the video but still stands by her point and YMS is into bestiality directly parallels how she's reacting the the Shane situation. She makes a video, deletes the post, says she still stands by her point and that Drama Channels/YMS Suck. Seems like she has an issue admitting when she might be wrong.

No. 574369

is there any evidence of her saying YMS is into bestiality? that was never mentioned in the last thread and im not sure where it comes from

No. 574377

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I looked to see if there was anything on Twitter. If she did make a Twitter video about the Kimba video or said YMS was into bestiality, then she deleted it.
All I found was a bunch of stupid Tweets. But her next video is on Sakimichan. Which if it gets backlash, she'll vehemently defend, then delete.
The cycle continues forever.

No. 574385

Lachrii is obviously good but the paintings always look like Lisa Frank tried to become real life. Sorry for the off topic, lol

No. 574399

maybe find some male models or cool photos of men you like online like on instagram and use those as inspiration, like those who wear streetwear or historical fashion.

No. 574403

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For someone with BPD who understands she shouldn't react to things so much because it's unhealthy, she sure does react to things a lot.
But stans just gotta stan, I guess.

No. 574409

Man, Sakimi's coomer fanboys are gonna dogpile on her ass if she makes a video on her.

Her channel revolves around reacting to shit so I don't know who she's trying convince she's not. Also her whole "UwU nya rawr =3" is really fucking annoying. She's in her 20's and acts like a 14 year old living in 2009.

No. 574432

Didn't she imply that the video would be about the petty ass cancel crowd trying to take Sakimichan down and not Sakimichan herself?

No. 574436

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yeah, but she's gonna get backlash either way.
though it is tiring how she's hyper defendant of cam-whores and prosties. like some people don't like sex work. it's just life

No. 574458

dunno if she said that but YMS being a zoophilia defender is a known fact. He said so on a reddit post some years ago and said it again in a livestream last year. He believes animals can give consent. But then again he's a furry, so no suprise

No. 574463

oh wow. that's incredibly disappointing

No. 574494

what do you anons think of the drawing resource 'line of action?' i can't take a screenshot rn.

No. 574502

it's a nice resource full of stock photos of people, clothed and unclothed, to help people practice and improve their flow
not much more to say to it than that

No. 574538

It's pretty great considering that it's free. I always use the figure drawings on the site to warm-up. Though, I sometimes get duplicates on some of my other sessions.

No. 574559

Sorry for spoonfeed request but why is Sakimichan being canceled? I know her art is shit but did she do something cancelworthy beyond drawing extra fingers and targeting the coomer demographic?

No. 574570

she liked a few anti-blm tweets on her business twitter

No. 574626

Any channels or tips for 3D modeling? Picked up Zbrush to make my shitty OC's figs but making a mesh for the body is taking so long, maybe I'm fucking up somewhere.

No. 574630

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Am I severly undervaluing art, or are these prices just way to high, even if the buyer got a hard copy.

Even if the art was good, these prices just seem extreme for a soft copy simple lineart, color, and shading.

No. 574633

Personally, those seem really cheap prices compared to others I’ve seen. The art isn’t completely awful, just depends if anyone actually commissions them though.

No. 574634

why would you want them to go even lower, art in general disgustingly undervalued.

No. 574635

The full color prices are a rip off because there's barely any changes there compared to the flat color drawing, but generally it isn't that bad tbh. Artists selling their commissions for too cheap are usually more harmful than artists that overprice their commissions anyway

No. 574639

Not an artist myself but <$25 for what I'm assuming is 2-6 hours of labor? Seems fair or even low.

No. 574653


I don't know, I don't agree in general with artist selling their work according to time spent, because you could have two artist create the same painting, but one needs 3 days and another needs only 1.

Buyers shouldn't pay more just because an artist is a slow worker.The price should be based on the quality of the art itself and who the artist is.

I don't know but $15 dollars for a simple line art does seem like a lot, especially if you're
only getting a digital copy.

And ten extra dollars for a very simple coloring?

No. 574661

That seems reasonable tbh anon.
If it's any lower than that it would not even be worth their time drawing it

No. 574665

This. Stop harping on these artists for their prices. It costs more than just how long it takes because art is a skill and a luxury. If you're good enough then draw your own shit. I'm assuming the price differences are to encourage the buyer to get the $25 colored fullbody.

No. 574666

What social media do you guys recommend keeping for an artist?

I’ve kinda built up a following on Instagram, Twitter, and previously tumblr, but I noticed I really do not have a healthy relationship with social media in general. I’m constantly comparing myself to other artists that I follow, I become upset if my follower number goes down because I haven’t posted in a couple days, I feel like I always have to be on the grind uploading new art to keep my audience, then art feels like a chore..
I feel like it’s a shame to lose years of building up an audience on these apps to just delete my account, but it’s stupidly affecting how happy I am with my art and worth. I feel like you have to have an active online presence if you ever hope to ‘make it’ in the art world but ugh. Sorry for the vent.

No. 574676

If art is your hobby, then your relationship to social media doesn't sound healthy. I'd say take a hiatus and then think about if and how you want to continue, maybe build up some work you could post or try something new. How often do you want to post, what do you want on your account (sketches, jokes, only finished, etc.)? Maybe unfollow other artists so you stop comparing and just do your own thing. You want to build up a following of people who appreciate you and your work, so if some people get bored easily and unfollow that's fine.

No. 574684

While I don't disagree that the quality should be the main indicator of what art costs, I think time spent making it is still important. Some works just take longer, even between 2 equally skilled artist, one could spend more time on each piece due to their choice in style, should this person not take account the time spent in that work? As an artist you want to balance between what you think you deserve and what's the guality of your work worth, if people feel like the price doesn't reflect their standards; they just won't buy and that's ok. You should not lower your prices to the dirt just for the sake of getting few commissions that ultimately end up making you work for cents per hour.

And for this, while the quality is not the most impressive these prices are still dirt cheap, most kids could probably make that money by washing the dishes for 10 minutes.

No. 574685

As someone who has a toxic relationship with social media as well, I don’t follow anyone on my art socials. I just upload what I love and occasionally interact with bigger and smaller artists to build connections.

No. 574698


The reason some works take longer is because there's a lot of detail involed, or the medium is difficult or complex. That is another indicator of cost. If the artist personally just needs a lot of time, it's not fair to factor that into the cost. So you might spends weeks on a painting, but it might not be very good.

You shouldn't lower your prices to the dirt, and obviously everyone can charge what they want, I just think 15 bucks seems a lot, for a line art, that an average speed artist could knock out in an hour at most. Coloring doesn't take that long either especially digitally.

It's not like 25 bucks is a lot of money, I just think it's a lot for what you get. If the person was getting a print, the price would be more reasonable I guess.

No. 574701

Whoever made it must have been familiar with lovecastle, even if I search lovecastle this site comes up as a top result.

No. 574713

Your struggle is very common so don't feel alone or weird about this. Being constantly compared is part of being a part of artistic community unfortunately and best we can do is hope to get used to it. Try to make conscious effort to stop yourself from looking at followers count, will be hard in the beginning but eventually you can get rid of this habit alltogether - it's what you should do first and foremost.
As inspiring it can be to look at other great artists work, try to minimize it as much as you can. You can even put boundaries of yourself, something like - I'll not spend more than 15 minutes a day scrolling through other people's art. Ideally, cut it alltogether for some time, it was a great help to me when I realized i just spend way too much time looking at other people's stuff and hating my own instead of just focusing on my own development.
If you have a bit of active following already it definitely would be a loss to just abandon it. If your followers are not so engaged though, complete purge and hiatus could be helpful too. I used to have what I'd consider decent following on tumblr years ago (over 1k) but people followed me just for one fandom, never interacted on personal posts or anything that wasn't related to that fandom so it wasn't a loss to abandon that, just to give an example what could be an unvaluable following.

Overall, good luck with everything! you do need an active online presence to "make it" if you want to be a freelancer doing comissions, but it's not the only way - a loooot of professionals have zero online presence but make good money working on some bigger team projects, so that's a way for you to consider too.

No. 574716

This really is standard pricing. Artists really shouldn't go lower than this, because then there's pretty much no benefit to them to do commissions in the first place.
You're also assuming that any average artist can draw a picture in an hour or less, but that's actually pretty fast for any artist, regardless of their style.
You have to argue that, though, because if you understood that most art takes at least 2 hours, then you'd have to admit working for 12.5 dollars per hour is not ridiculous in the slightest.

No. 574724

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No. 574726

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why are they like this

No. 574727

i saw this post too love soey for being unbothered

No. 574729

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I only have pencils and occasionally draw completely random pedestrians and people from photos (no idea if I need permission to draw people).

No. 574732


I already said I disagree with hourly pricing. Not to mention artists can absolutly lie and say their work took longer than it did. There's no effective way to prove how long someone spent on a piece unless it's fully recorded.

I also don't think a full body line art takes two hours for any experieced artist.

Maybe I'm overestimating how quickly people can work, but irrelevant of that, I just think it's priced too high, not only because of the simplicity of the work but also because the commisions are soft copy.

I just think spending 15 dollars for a soft copy simple drawing and coloring is excessive, when you could go to any number of art convensions and gets prints and stickers for the same price.

I didn't mention my own commisions, because no one cares, but mine are priced lower, for the simple ones and for the a little bit of detail I go up in price, and the really expensive ones are the very detailed ones. Depending on where the person lives I also offer a hard copy for a little extra.

No. 574735

>Am I severly undervaluing art,
Yes. This is cheap as hell. I've seen far worse art go for much higher. I do agree with the anon that the full color vs flat color part is kind of a rip-off, though.

No. 574752

A full body lineart, if it took one hour, would be 15 dollars per hour. Which is not an absurd wage to work at, especially for a skilled profession such as art.
But aside from that, you're also not taking in consideration supply and demand. There are many artists that we would consider to have terrible art, but they can price really high because people want their art so bad.
You may not think the art is worth it, but the mass majority of people think that the prices are fine.

No. 574754

this kind of comes off as, "I under-value my own art, so other artists should under-value theirs"

No. 574760

the reason the prices don't vary heavily is probably because the lineart is what takes the longest for the artist to do. from there, the artist just adds increments of 5 dollars, because adding color doesn't take as long as the lineart.
to have a lineart be 5 dollars, then the flat be 10 dollars, and the full body to be 15, would be to say that all parts of their drawing process take the same amount of effort and time.

No. 574762


It's not a matter of under valuing art, I reached out a lot to artist and to my followers and looked at prices in general.

I get way more commisions now with my prices lowered a bit and get more money because more people are buying my work.

That piece is fanart, I make original work, and it's not as simple as >>574630, and my line art usually goes for $20 - $60 depending on how detailed.

I also am signed up to monthly patreons, where 2 prints and stickers/keychains etc. are sent out monthly for approx. 30$ + videos etc.

Like I said, per hour is nonsense, and the final product isn't worth 25$. Four of these would be 100$, and I could buy a lot more for the same amount at an artist convention in my area. Those would be hard copy pieces.

Obviously the prices are going to be different for really popular artists because they only have so much time to do commisions since they have a full time art related career. There's also a difference between people who make art and have a seperate career, and people do make art full time.

No. 574766

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so you came to a shit-talking forum, to complain about some random person's prices. a person that hasn't done anything wrong, whose prices are extremely average, because you think you're better than them?

No. 574774


Show me where I said I was better than them? This person in particular isn't being targeted by me. I don't even know who they are. I could have used any number of dozens of examples I have seen on other social media platforms, this just seemed like the easiest picture to use to ask my question on the worth of art. There are so many artist with varying price ranges I wanted to get a second opinion, since I see artists that do similar work, but for lower prices and ones that have a slightly higher price but whose work is much more detailed.

I don't want any one to talk shit, about this person, just to identify whether or not pricing is appropriate or if I'm under valuing their art, nothing here has convinced me yet, since hourly still sounds like bs.

Our art is also completly different? They make fanart (nothing wrong with that) and it's full color, I make black and white inked pieces. Their art style is also quite simple, which again, nothing wrong with that.

Whether one piece of art is technically better than the other doesn't matter and is subjective anyway, and we can't be compared since we don't even make the same type of art.

Never have I said I was better as an artist, and I only responded with personal pricing information as comparison, once it was brought up by other people.

Nice try though, trying to twist my words. If you have nothing to add to the question don't bother contributing.

No. 574776

Is the one with a shell not supposed to represent trans person…
Or did they want then to draw a male

No. 574778

I think that’s an unshaven bush

No. 574779

No. 574786

You wanted a second opinion but you won't accept anything other than your own
>If you have nothing to add to the question don't bother contributing.
Please stop adding to the thread, you aren't contributing

No. 574792

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Disagreeing with another person isn't the same as not accepting their opinion? I'm not just disagreeing because I think I'm right, I'm saying why I have the opinion I have, and agree with some of the points people have made.

There's art in the same price range that I think has completly average price like this one. The above one was just questioning the value of this type of product.

No. 574795

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speaking of prices. this costs 205$

No. 574796

this isn't r/delusionalartists.
everyone is annoyed by your self-important attitude.
fuck off

No. 574797

Gosh, these are so ugly.

No. 574800

Stop anon, you are embarrassing yourself.

No. 574801


different person but ok. i just went though the commisons tag looking for better pricing examples for op for whats expensive and found this, still looking for better examples can't find any tho

No. 574803

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this here is dirt cheap and way below most prices. i guess it also depends on how popular the artist is and how many comisions they can take

No. 574811

Yeah but it's also way worse, just look at that anatomy.
I think you should take into account that artists that do comissions for cheap could also be minors, ie no expenses, or people from countries with a currency worth way less than the American dollar.

No. 574813


yeah, but to be fair, anatomy could be attributed to style, the only thing i can see immediatly is the arms are way to long and one is longer than the other. mabe an issue with the neck.

we really dont know where all of these people come from though.

No. 574827

It’s in euros so:
Line art - $84
Flats - $95
Full colour - $230

No. 574829

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would this count as expensive? if the og pic is average, trying to find a baseline.

No. 574840

I think this one is way under priced. I could easily see myself paying $50 for a full body from this one. Idc if its "ugly" I dig this style, it has nice form to it.

Just because good artists are asking for scraps doesn't mean beginners should ask for even less.

I might count that as expensive, but for two reasons that have nothing to do with the artist's "greed." 1) I'm not at all in the market for this style and 2)Artists are chronically undervalued, namely good artists, so comparing even one of them to this person makes this person look expensive solely because a single artist who's style I love a lot more than this one is asking for less.

All commission prices boil down to is:
>as a buyer, would YOU be willing to pay that much for this style?
>as an artist, how much money would be worth it to YOU to put your effort in to draw something you're completely uninterested in and possibly have no prior knowledge on?

It really doesn't have much to do with skill level or notoriety or anything. The art market is oversaturated, if you just want a nice looking chibi style, go to any of the artists who have desperately lowered their prices to rock bottom levels in hopes of anyone at all buying from them. If you want Mr. XWeebMasterX's art specifically, you'll have to just cough up what he requires. "But so-and-so does it for less" that's your problem, pay so-and-so instead then. He's not being greedy, he's not being expensive. He has a specific tolerance level. he wont put himself through the hoops you want him to jump through for less than he's asking. Its really not that complicated

"Baseline" is a myth, if you can sell your soul for $5 a pop, just do it, you'll get more customers. But most people just aren't willing to put in that effort for that little, even if their art sucks.

Example: You couldn't pay me enough to mail you a print of my art. I do not want to be bothered dealing with that. I could ask $100 to mail an 11x8 print, and get no takers, and be happy, because I wouldn't have to put up with doing a chore for less compensation than I'd require.

No. 574847

Lachri is obviously really skilled, and knows her shit when it’s comes to different mediums, but ngl I’ve never been all that enamored by people who basically just copy from photos

No. 574851


Same, it depends though, some artists add cool effects to their art. I'm impressed by all the Heather Rooney types, but I don't know if I'd buy a celeb fanart. It would have to be an original piece, and not just a boring photocopy.

No. 574855


I made OP, thanks for breaking it down, in general I agree, I just don't want customers to get ripped off.

I see a lot of people on Instagram and Twitter selling art, mostly fanart, and the people who buy from them and get patreon are younger and ask their parents for money. It's also that a person who isn't an artist might not be able to identify, whether or not they're paying a reasonable price.

There was a situation with an artist on Instagram, where they used bad paper or paints, or something, and sold a lot of pieces using those supplies and didn't even address it.

I just want customers to get a good value for what they’re paying, especially if it’s from teens or kids. I just wanted a discussion on here since people had a mixed opinions when I asked on my socials.

No. 574882

Artists using substandard materials for physical commissions is a real concern, but that doesn't apply to digital commissions unless the art is stolen or misrepresented. If someone sees a digital commission sheet and chooses to pay for it, and they receive original art that matches their agreement and the original commission reference sheet, you can't say they were "ripped off".
Art has no legal trade standard because it is a non-necessity and the value is completely up to the artist, as it should be, if people don't want to pay a high price then they don't have to because people don't need art to live. It's true that there is a average rate that commissioners might expect to pay but if an artist charges above the norm for their respective skill it doesn't mean they are ripping anyone off, it just means less people will want to buy their work but it's still a fair deal if someone wants to. This is such a non-problem and I don't understand why you don't get it, do you compile pricing of musician meet and greets too?

No. 574900

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We get it Rae, you can't take criticism.

No. 574902

>Musicians meet and greets are also completly different from art since that is priced solely on popularity rather than talent and music. Not really a fair comparison.
except it isn't. we've already been over how artists can charge really high prices for low quality art, just because they're popular.
if there's demand, then that is what determines the price. period.
if an artist had high demand, and low prices, they will get too many commissions and won't be able to follow through. if their prices are too high, the demand will diminish to the point of it being nonexistent.
the artist finds commission prices that are just right for them, balancing supply and demand. that is why there is no standard price for commissions.

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No. 574905

I delete my response, because I'm tired of a back and forth with no new info. ALso I actually charge more for my art than them, so? what's your point.

No. 574907


Okay so you made a screenshot?

No. 574909

Stop being a salty bitch, why are you so fixated on something stupid like other people’s prices(especially art of some random nobody). Clearly your ego is extremely fragile, do something more productive with your time and Go draw or something

No. 574910


Just asking questions. Glad to see we have a psychiatrist in our midst though, continue on with your noble work of asuming people's personality, what would mey ego be fragile for?

No. 574915

if you realize it's easier to let it go anon, maybe you should? just price your art higher if that's what you think the issue is.
ultimately if people are willing to pay their own cash on stuff you don't feel they should be buying, you can't stop them.

No. 574916

Dude the value of art is literally what you assign for it. If a kid sees a (digital) artwork they really like and want to commission the artist regarless of price then the value of that work is literally of the value that the kid is willing to pay (excluding ofc the case where the end result is of lower quality than the example). You gotta also remember that art is custom work, it's made to you by someone and every piece is different, it's not mass produced factory work so regardless how shitty the art itself may be, the fact that it's "one of the kind" should always be factored into the price.

Also wtf is with your logic, at first it was all about "omg I charge less than them thus these are overpriced" to "omg think of the children", Sorry but I ain't buying this.

No. 574917


I don't think my art is priced too low, it was priced too high before. This has nothing to do with my art at all, I only brought it up after it was brought up.

I'm also not trying to stop them, they can decide their own price. I'm not at all arguing that, people just continue to take words out of context and ignore the other replies. I was just wondering if despite the subjective nature of commissions there was a point of excessive cost?

Seriously if you read all of my posts in the thread, you'll see I never said, my art is better, or their art is bad or any shit like that.

I was already done with the conversation and agreed with >>574851 but someone responded again, with more of the same info as already stated before.

I agree with you completly.

No. 574918

you never said "my art is better", but you did say that you don't think their art is worth 25 dollars, which is a price people consider average. so you're saying their art is worth less than average
you also said you charge more than them for commissions, meaning you think your art is worth more than what is considered average
just because you don't directly say the words "my art is better" doesn't mean it isn't implied

No. 574920


I never said their art is bad, I said the price wasn't justified by the product. I like their art, it's not my favorite style, but I do think it's cute. I wouldn't pay 15 dollars for a simple line art. ME, PERSONALLY. If there were more details, then the price would be justified, or if they knocked off,
3-5 dollars. I posted an example of a commision where the price was similar but way more justified for ME.

The reason I charge more commisions, which you would know if you read the thread, is because our art is completly different, and therefore prices can't be compared. I do traditional inking, which are usually very complex and charge 20 -60 dollars.
I'm not saying my art is worth more, because they can't even be compared. I brought this up because people said I undervalued my art, should put my prices up, or I thought my art was better, which I never said. Read my replies.

Like I said people talk shit and take things out of context to try and make you seem like you're saying something <ou're not. All I ever questioned whether there was any sort of metric for commision cost. Nothing more nothing less. Everything else, is people shit stirring.

No. 574921

15 an hour is what a completely unskilled high schooler can make waitressing. No clue why you think that’s an unreasonable hourly rate for an artist.

No. 574922


I am letting it go, no point since I already agreed with a previous reply, and everyone under is ignoring previous responses, and adding nothing new. Won't respond to any one else.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 574924

should've done that, like, 14 replies ago, anon.

No. 574951

this girl is full of such shit. she constantly claims that she's going to stop reacting to things. she made 20+ tweets yesterday alone, 90% of which were her arguing with random people.
if she really wanted to do what was best for her BPD, she would leave the cesspool that is twitter entirely

No. 574976

I find this rather funny cause it’s not actually that impressive at all. Most of her audience is either young or beginners so ofc they would much rather watch someone who’s skill level is ”attainable” than someone who’s actually good because to an aspiring artist, a good art is usually more discouraging than it is inspiring. If you post a lot, be ”relatable” and have appealing skill level for beginner, the people will flock to you in masses. This isn’t any rocket science, youtube art community is massively kid centric and youtube itself os trying to be more and more family friendly. Appealing to kids is the lowest kind of achievement as they’re easily impressed by fucking everything.

No. 574989

>If you post a lot, be ”relatable” and have appealing skill level for beginner, the people will flock to you in masses. This isn’t any rocket science
Easy in words, amazingly hard in reality. I don't know why some people with shit art manage this when they can't manage to learn the fundies but we all know at least one amazing artist that never breaks a couple of likes. I find anyone who can stick to an upload schedule and overall feed aesthetic to be very impressive in their own way, looking down on people who achieve so much with so little is kind of a cope imo

No. 574991

I mean yea obviously there is something to praise for, for being able to consistently upload and I do find that it often comes with the cost of quality. I honestly don't know almost any artubers who upload often and are able to keep the quality of the work up, it pretty much always takes a dip. I would also remind that not every artist is even so deeply interested in youtube, a lot of artists got other social media that they use as their "main" while youtube is usually just an extra dumping ground, that ofc comes with the low engagement. That's why I don't ultimately consider rea's achievement to be that impressive, as well as I have never really seen her try to improve her content or art for that matter. Though I must admit I don't really watch her either, just kinda what I've seen on the surface.

No. 575004

Does anyone else feel paranoid on Twitter or is that just me
I never know the motives of anyone talking to me
I never know if other artists follow me and interact out of genuine interest or just to boost their own following
I don’t know who likes me for me or just wants free art
Sometimes I dread logging in

No. 575031

I share your feelings. I had never had a twitter until some months ago. I tried to start using it but whenever i posted fanart I would get anxious and not log in until like 4 days later and avoid the app because for whatever reason I got anxiety.

Eventually I decided to stick to just using instagram and tumblr. If twitter starts draining the motivation or joy you have for something, maybe you can use another app. All in all just try to not let other people discourage you. It is hard but can be done. Good luck!

No. 575198

I’m starting to see this with a lot of people, especially streamers, who just don’t want to participate in twitter, but keep it because they don’t want someone else to take the name and act like them

No. 575201

Tobi is a loudmouth dumbass that tries to act all uwu soft girl but, it really just a catty mean girl that tries not to be Creepshow 2.0 and fails miserably.

No. 575237

I think it's natural to be worried if other people's feelings towards you are genuine, especially when you're an artist on Twitter. There are many who will try to drag you through the mud, or take advantage of you.
However, I think it's best not to worry about it. It helps me mentally to assume that everyone has benign intentions, until proven otherwise. Any new people that interact with me, I interact politely, as with a business acquaintance. I keep my distance for a while and maintain politeness until we become friends or I understand their motives for talking to me.
There's no need for you to stress yourself about it. Just try to focus on your craft and the kindness of others.

No. 575243

So I came from the homestuck thread and was reminded the undertale fandom was a thing. I wasn't really into both but heard there was a lot of drama in the UT one. Does anyone know? Or do you have to be balls deep in that community to know wtf happened in it?

No. 575246

asking for a specific drama without any details on what the reaction to the drama was is impossible. the UT fandom is full of many, many different squabbles and controversies because that's the kind of people the game attracts. most arguments are fans vs other fans

No. 575334

I cringed so hard. Why does she swatch the paint like that. Why doesn't she do research BEFORE wasting her time. Also lol at her not knowing the difference between acrylic, watercolor and gouache.

No. 575343

it's the painter's version of an amateur pencil artist's chicken scratch lineart

No. 575345


Sorry in advance I'm about to sperg.

She tried to use the white of the eggs… Just end me.

"Toxic Chamicals." typo.

The cherry on top is her clarification comment (pinned): "It really blows my mind Da Vinci used this paint to create the last supper. Nuts. Gave me a new perspective."

Ironically Leonardo pulled a Rae back then. It was a rushed work and for who knows what reason he decided to mix oils and tempera instead of just doing a fresco (tempera & watercolor).

It deteriorated so fast some experts argue it might as well not be considered his work since it had to be restored so much.

What's left of Leonardo's paint is flaky and poor quality.

"BA in visual arts with an emphasis in painting and drawing" uwu my ass. She can't even bother to read a wiki page.

No. 575346

it just shows you how much art degrees are worth

No. 575361

I legit know more about art materials by actually reading one (1) standard book on the subject than all of my art professors. orz

No. 575367

What is everyone's thoughts on DrawWithJazza doing giveaways all of the sudden? I used to watch loads of his videos, and he never did any giveaway. I know he probably sees it as a win-win. He gets watchtime and subs, and the subscribers get a giftcard or something else. But it comes off so tacky and disingenuous.
"Search around my video for the secret Amazon giftcard code, guys!" "Subscribe and leave a comment to enter for a giftcard."
It just feels so weird coming from him, because it usually comes from Youtubers with subpar content who can't get many views on their own. But Jazza has lots of subscribers and views, so I just don't get it.

No. 575397

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Buttoniris/tsunderemaids on twitter was selling a two character (minimal shading and no background) for 500$, their stuff is good but wow that's a lot for someone who doesn't do backgrounds and does solid color fill.

No. 575399


He still has subpar content most of the time. Take away his big ass studio and extreme behavior and you're left with uninspired content every other youtuber does. On the other hand as he has so much subscribers and views, the things he is giving away are peanuts to him. I think he is making the same amount if money in one day he is giving away.

I'm actually more concerned about his health. He has a fucking high output and superb qualitiy, and yet he looks more tired than ever in his videos. (Well yes, could also be his age that's getting to him, but I think it's more the hamster wheel he's created for himself.)

No. 575400

i've been seeing a few other artists (i didn't save caps but i could look them up) charging a few hundreds for simple flat color illos, complete with the caption "only 2 slots" like no shit dude

i know that other anon was sperging about this a bit much but DANG, they make complete sense if their arguments are applied to this particular example…

No. 575404

excuse me what the fuck, and that's the depressed artist that gained a huge following with her little fun comics about "ahah depression funni" I mean good for her if someone actually bought that
It reminds me of the artist who charged $100 for riping off the Persona artstyle, and when someone commented about the insane price she made a $10 commission joke with paint drawing with a mouse because she got salty "art takes time that what u get if you want a low price" and actually received money from her pals

No. 575408

There's a big difference between $15 lineart sperg anons arguments and charging $200 for two mediocre drawings

No. 575417

honestly you guys should just calm down and accept that if there's enough demand for something they can raise their prices up however much works for them. if you weren't only thinking in terms of commissions for little pocket money you'd realize that in some places that won't even be enough to pay rent, let alone other living expenses.

No. 575418

Why are you defending idiots who buy that stuff in the first place though lmao

If you could get 500 for shitty art, wouldn’t you do it too? Less work more money. Yeah their art isn’t great but why are you so focused on the money aspect of it, why not their technical skills? It just makes you come off as jealous js

No. 575423

I personally find her oc content to be cringy and edgy but everyone eats it up.

No. 575424

Uh, I think there's a misunderstanding here lol. What I'm trying to say is that the sperg from yesterday was ridiculous because she was throwing a fit over an artist charging barely anything for their art, but meanwhile this person is obviously overcharging their art. They can charge whatever they want and art is usually very undervalued so I don't even mind higher prices, but 200 bucks is just too objectively too expensive for the effort and quality that you'd be paying for in this instance. 60 dollars max for one drawing of this quality would've been more fair imo. If someone is dumb enough to pay 200 dollars for this then GG to the artist though

No. 575425

60$ is nothing in the professional art world, it's more stupid to say that people who properly value art are stupid.

No. 575428

sounds like a dream. I wonder what makes people so attracted to their art that they'd be willing to pay that much.

No. 575430

How do you objectively overprice art? Like I said before the value of work is the value you assign to it. This is fucking tiring when people rage over prices, shouldn't you guys be happy that people are actually willing to pay 200$ for this kind of stuff as it means that there are still clients out there who actually value art. Also 200$ for art is not that much at all if you think what it actually takes to make art. A lot of people who do commissions put a lot more work into them than what you see on surface, anything from setting up the composition and perspective, lighting and mood of the image and possible design aspects. It's not factory work where you repeat the same pattern, even the most unoriginal instagram portraits take at least some planning as you know you don't want every work to have exact copy cat pose. When you account that all to few hours it takes to actually draw the work 200$ is more than fair.

No. 575432

$60 for a drawing of a character that most likely takes around 2 hours to make really isn't "nothing". That's 30 dollars an hour.
Also just realized that the drawing we are talking about is 500 dollars for a 2 character piece. For some reason I thought it was 200 bucks for 2 individual drawings, my bad.
If you guys are ok with paying 500 dollars for a 2 character drawing then good for you I guess. It just sounds ridiculous to me and I'd never pay that much for a commission of this quality

No. 575433

I know this is the salt thread but you guys sure get mad when an artist is able to make a livable wage from art huh. If anything they'd be stupid not to find out the highest they can consistently charge.

No. 575435

her videos are so damn lazy. She doesn't research properly, and she doesn't even do nice drawings with the medium. Yes she can blame that the supply was bad but even in the videos when she uses supplies bought from a store she makes shitty art.

I used to like Rae but that art youuber clique with her and her friends really screams : i got popular and started making no effort now.

No. 575441

It makes me suspicious this thread is actually half filled with coomer commissioners that are mad nobody will draw their waifu for free, and that the other half is beginner artists that are so submerged in Dunning Kruger that they become jealous whenever they see another artist get praise or paid for art.

It's great when people are paying any level of artist, why doesn't it make this thread happy knowing that there is the opportunity to get out there and actually be paid? It's a good thing!

No. 575444

lot of minorfags are coming on the thread now since the lock down, and it's also summer vacation for the kiddies. there has been so much vendetta posting and retarded sperging lately, i wish they'd just fuck off already.

No. 575450

You cannot compare making art to a freaking mc donalds employee. Art is a gig based job it takes more than "do A and then B and then repeat" to make art, even shitty art. Do you whine about wedding photographers making several thousand in one gig despite it being just "clicking a button"? The answer is no because people who're willing to pay for art understand that they're paying for years of expertise and not just the labor itself. If anyone could do art just like that, no one would pay for artists, yet artists are essential in every field for design and marketing and that's what you're paying for. when you pay couple hundred for 2h work, you pay for their vision and not just the time work. This all applies even for less impressive artists, even mediocre art takes some effort to create and it's good that art is being valued.

No. 575457

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You're totally right and I agree with what you're saying when it comes to things like concept art or more elaborate pieces. In those cases ridiculously high price tags are justified. Everyone's free to pay however much they want for art commissions, I'm just saying that I would never pay 500 dollars for generic, unpolished anime art.
Delusional artists are a thing and it's not a crime to make fun of or disagree with them and their prices lol

No. 575466

I'm not sure if there are other Goths in this thread i.e. some other artists here who like Goth music and drawing but if there, does anyone else just cringe whenever Twisted Disaster calls herself a Goth when she clearly isn't? It's pretty clear that she thinks that dressing in black and being into witch craft is what makes her a Goth when Goth is not about that and I just cringe whenever she brings that up in her video.

Anyway just a little nitpick. I also really can't stand when bisexual people like her act like because they date someone of the opposite sex and some gays will outright say that this coupling is not oppressed, it is a form of oppression or ahem, "Bisexual erasure". It's like no it isn't, they're just being honest that the relationship dynamic of a man and woman is seen as "normal" and you won't face some potential backlash unlike two men and two women dating.

No. 575467

We understand anon but so long as there is someone out there who will buy it, it really doesn't matter a whole lot except for maybe a good laugh among other artists. Non-Artists don't really think about that, they just think about getting something that they can't do themselves.

No. 575468

Neither would I but I'm still happy that someone is willing to. It's the same with some shitty modern art, I would never pay for it and most of it for my eyes look horrible and unappealing but yet some see immense value in them. Delusional artists are just kinda their own group, often being total beginners without any fundamentals or trying to sell shitty photo copies for hundred.

No. 575483

yeah they seem to not get that yes, while they are bi, if they in fact date the opposite sex, other people wont discriminate them how they would a same sex couple.

All I know about twisted disaster is that I hate her art. I dont like BNHA, but lmfao that drawing she did of Deku was hideous. How she has sold art at cons is beyond me.

Has anyone in this thread gone to a con? How do you go about selling your art? I am interested in going in the future after the pandemic is over but Besides getting a table I am blind

No. 575512

I wonder how many anons here have artwork that is stylized like this

No. 575514

ot and late but I love this style, I think there's too much anger towards artists who draw "ugly" subject matter. As long as you're competent, I think it looks cool.

No. 575516

What do you mean?

No. 575518

Just a general question

No. 575520

I don't but it's a pretty common style. When I was in art school I knew loads of people with this kind of style, just with minor differences

No. 575527

Same, I see it all over Twitter/tumblr/insta. To me, it’s ugly af and unfortunately the artists never progress past mentioned style or >>572786

No. 575530

It doesn't help that people with this kind of style almost always exclusively draw 3/4th angle faces and that's it

No. 575543

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this artist got popular for drawing the "plague doctor/nurse girlfriends" which, admittedly, i really enjoyed! however, every single post they make is like this.

if you want your character to be seen as a female, why mention that they're trans at all?

No. 575548

Honestly what would you even do in this situation? You tried to make a piece to celebrate the varying female bodies and then some cunt marches in saying "WHAT ABOUT GIRLDICKS, HMMMM?". If you don't answer they'll call you out for being a ~bigot~ and ruin your reputation and business. What a nightmarish and kafkaesque scenario.

Regarding the pricing debate, this thread is so fucking obviously filled with salty teenage amateur artists who can't stand someone they're jealous of making money selling "overpriced" art. I don't see anything wrong with selling character designs at $500, people fucking sell customized dolls and shit for the same amount and up and nobody minds. Art and design are ridiculously underpriced to begin with, I'd feel bad paying someone only $30 for a full colour portrait if they put like 15 hours into making it. If you can finish a drawing like that in 2 hours so you can justify a $30 price tag then good for you, it either looks like unappealing diarrhea you're completely underpricing your work. Technical skills don't equal consumer appreciation and people here need to learn that if they ever want to become a commercial artist.

No. 575568

I sell at cons regularly (had to take a year off this year unfortunately). You have to decide what products you're going to sell (prints, charms, buttons, etc.), the size of the con to determine the amount of product to get, the equipment needed to display items and package them, what you're exactly going to be selling (fanart, original art, etc.) You'll have to be more specific on what you want advice on exactly.

No. 575592

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checked their twitter. yikes

No. 575597

Why are ALL pro LGBT artists like this??? Why can't I just enjoy lgbt characters in peace???? they're no different from straight characters and it's so annoying to have lgbt characters treated so differently. Straight characters are bland and boring and gay relationships are either straight ones in disguise or just as bland and boring.
Are there ANY decent pro lgbt creators??

No. 575598

I've never sold art at a con so I can't help there but I'm sure someone may give some pointers. As for Twisted Disaster's style, yeah her art was brought up in the last thread and the common opinion is that her style is not appealing to look at and she overdoes it with the coloring which doesn't really compliment the wonky art style she has right now. If she studied anatomy more, she could improve but she's "too busy" to study don't you know? Backed up with commissions and all that.

No. 575601

>Are there ANY decent pro lgbt creators??
There are but their work doesn't revolve around identity politics and outwoking each other so they're harder to spot and don't get much exposure.

No. 575641

does anyone else eyeroll or get salty when any art youtuber asks for input about what content to make, or how to improve at x medium, and gets a lot of feedback but never applies it? I was watching an old waffles video and she asked for watercolor tips. There are many good ones in her comments but the video is old and the last time she used watercolor, she still made a lot of the same old mistakes and her technique is still bad. Another example is rae, when she asked what videos people would like, only to then make the same ones they didn't like

No. 575658

i guess they just do it for good pr. or they dont read any comments after day 1 of uploading

No. 575659

I don’t really care for artubers because most suck but the reason why they want a response for “how to improve on X” is because all they want is engagement for their videos. The more engagements in likes/dislikes/comments the more likely it’ll show up in people’s feed and the more money they’ll get for the video because of said views/engagement.

No. 575690

For someone trying not to reply to people because of her BPD; Tobi sure is bitching at people on twitter on a daily basis kek.

No. 575710

>it really doesn't matter a whole lot except for maybe a good laugh among other artists

Is that not exactly what we’re here to do?

No. 575712

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sage for no milk, but hell, Happy finally really improved her facial anatomy!

No. 575714

you could literally post tweets of hers every single day with some new stupid argument she's gotten herself into on twitter

No. 575729

I think the issue is the OP posted art that wasn't laughably bad and continually tried to justify that they didn't deserve the low amount of $20(???) it came off as a nitpick/vendetta

No. 575730

>"I also need to take my own advice and control my BPD when I'm online and not respond to everything."
>Responds to people on Twitter on a daily basis.

How's that working out for you?

No. 575731

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Enormous skull + thick stumpy neck. Never change, meyoco.

No. 575733

Wait, I’m confused anon, are you annoyed that TD is acting “oppressed” because that whole stereotype of “then why aren’t you with the opposite sex”-thing?

It’s kinda basic snowflake behavior out of TD. I wouldn’t be surprised if she isn’t even bisexual and thought that “well I recognize that girl is cute, therefore I must be bisexual and be apart of a minority”- but that’s neither here nor there for that kind of discussion

No. 575741

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To be fair, I'm fine with Pewdiepie and Jenna but, Gabbie is being currently dragged because she bitched at Youtube that she was shadow banned when it more than likely was people not being interested in her shitty music. And Shane is being held accountable for pushing the narrative that James Charles was a predator and then saying afterwards he needed to be humbled.

>You hold other creators accountable and that puts you on some moral high ground?? But it's different when it's you?

Pot calling the kettle much? You held people like Onision and Shannon accountable but, that somehow exempt Shane, Gabbie, and even you from it? Dumbfuck.

No. 575745

She's lumping in Shane with people like Pewdiepie. Pewdiepie had his controversy a long time ago, has never done anything like it again, and did a respectful apology. Shane responded by saying that James Charles deserved it and then bounced off Twitter (or at least pretended to). Shane will continue to support, be friends with, and defend Jeffery Star.
Their controversies aren't even comparable. She's just lumping them together to make Shane seem more reasonable and make her dissenters appear more unreasonable.

No. 575746

Thank you, Jesus fucking christ. Pewdiepie and Jenna actually took responsibility for their past mistakes and got better. Shane and Gabbie have consistently gotten worse over the years and Shane especially started going downhill when he started associating with Jeffree. You can't lump all of them together just because you like all of them.

No. 575747

i hate how she's so dumb as to believe every youtuber when they give an "apology". she's the kind of person to believe a half-assed apology from a youtuber who is deflecting all criticism, just because "they apologized"

No. 575748

Gotta love that self pitying "And I'm one of them" at the end. Yes you are. Atleast you're somewhat self aware.

No. 575771

Tsu is genuinely probably one of my favourite artists, but I still couldn't fucking imagine paying that much for her art. Her anatomy can be wonky, her shading/colouring is muddy, and her lineart never feels finished. I remember I was excited when she said she was opening her commissions, but her cheapest slot was near 100 for iirc what was pretty much a sketchy bust/halfbody. Makes me wonder how many coms she got considering even someone as far up her asshole as me wouldn't touch prices like that

No. 575774


This might surprise you but no one gives a shit whether or not you, personally, would pay for an expensive commission. The world doesn't revolve around you, buddy.

No. 575786

Why are people so butthurt about this commission thing? We are on lolcow, nobody gives a shit about what any of us are saying because we are all anonymous autists. If you get upset about people sharing their opinions in an artist salt thread then maybe spend your time somewhere else

No. 575788

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>gay relationships are either straight ones in disguise or just as bland and boring.
These ocs are the 1st thing that come to mind

No. 575789

This ISN'T a straight couple???

No. 575790

can you guys stop vendetta posting, no one knows these ocs, nor does anyone care about them. this was definitely drawn by a 14 year old who doesn't understand character writing yet, it's just really bland.

No. 575793

Yeah, its not
>no one knows these ocs
Except that the person who made these ocs has over a 800k subs on youtube and is one of the first gay couple ocs that pop up when you google it

No. 575806

I'll be real anon, I think trans is a bunch of BS but I have to ask, if someone really doesn't include "Girl dick" in their line of characters and they may even be vocal that they don't think transwomen are women, can their art business really take that much of a hit? I would like to think that if the person is still decent despite not believing in trans and they have a genuine good or unique art style, they can still prevail and make it.

But I'm not active on Twitter and I know this is where that bullshit tends to happen so I can't say that I know just how it is for an artist who doesn't believe in the ideology and what can happen to their art business if it's found out.

No. 575808

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No. 575811

Oh wow, that actually looks really nice!

Yeah anon, it's exactly that. As a lesbian, I just get really annoyed when some bisexual people who are dating the opposite sex act like they face oppression because to the outside world, they are viewed as a heterosexual couple and they're like all "But it's Bisexual erasure when Gays/Lesbians don't acknowledge the struggles of bisexual people" and I'm just like bitch, you're not gonna face any discrimination being a heterosexual couple, chill out.

And yeah, I'm not even sure if TD is actually bisexual and not doing exactly what you said where she thinks that if she thinks a girl is attractive, that makes her bisexual. I think she did share in an old video that she dated another girl before but she was like a freshman in high school when she did but that was high school, people are still developing at that time n their life.

No. 575813

Iirc the person drawing this is a "gay male" aka a fujo escaping the stigma of it by claiming to be a he. It's always obvious if gay couples are drawn by women or men. Looking at her work I'm almost one hundred percent certain this is one of those girls who claims them wearing dresses while identifying as male is breaking gender norms and projects that onto her oc. Don't buy them being a gay dude for a second

Sage for sperg, but the amount of people like this really annoys me

No. 575835

Honestly, if no one gave a shit, then why do people engage in delusional artist forums? It’s funny as hell that some people expect so much for a piece of shit work, even funnier when some dumbass pays for it.
Damn, now I’m wondering how many artfags here overprice kek

No. 575837

A little off topic, but isn’t the characters from that one Gay soccer anime?

No. 575838

Thanks for clarifying anon, And yeah, I get pretty annoyed with that that stuff too, and I see an overwhelming amount of people like that in gay pride parades/for many other artists but there really isn’t much to do about it unfortunately

No. 575846

Oh anon! I used to follow the animation memes this person put up on YouTube a little and I recall that the first times the character in the dress showed up in her works used to look like a guy, although still feminine. Then she started drawing him in dresses and basically now it's a girl which wouldn't be bad if she didn't insist this wasn't a self insert gay uwu couple for some reason.

No. 575890

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soeymilk cracked and added a dick person kek. i hate 2020

No. 575895

I must be very stupid but where's the tranny? The clam one?

No. 575896

Where is the trans-person? It looks the same as before.

Anyway, not to start a gender discussion in an art thread but, I hate this whole 'womxn' shit. If mtf trans people transition, then whats the issue with just saying women? And if "Non-binary" people don't have a gender then there is no need to call them women. Women/Woman isn't some ghastly, horrific word.

The clam is just a cute way to draw a bush I think.

No. 575898

I think she added a little penis shape to the one on the left of the amputee. It looks like it wasn't there in the original picture

No. 575899

the 3rd from the left. got a lil wiener poking out from the thigh. the funny thing is people were still attacking soey in the comments and she was just like look at the picture. either way she is stupid for submitting to useless demands.

No. 575904

Ah, I see it now. Gross.

Damn, they made her add a fucking dick to a picture of women lmao, could've just said one of the people is a tranny that got srs or something. But that might've risked her getting cancelled or something.

No. 575932

I don’t understand why people are saying “add a dick, because TRANSwomen”. Isn’t the whole part of transGender is having disphoria? You know, the Aspect of The disorder that makes said person bothered by parts on them that are of the opposite gender than they see themselves as??

Why would someone being trans want to see a penis on the “trans representation” when they’re actively disgusted by it?

No. 575954

it's so weird when people lump nb people together with women, it's almost like they don't even consider it to be a separate thing. some nb people also love to call themselves lesbians, they really need to stop with this shit.

people who want shit like that added to everything are really disgusting, and honestly just trying to pass up their weird fetish as representation. i'm not even a transphobe like lot of people on this website, but even I find it disgusting that these people are trying to shove dicks on women every chance they get.

No. 575965

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It’s crazy the amount of Destiny art that this person saved.. even if it’s from people who saved her work and send it to this Twitter…

It’s also weird how this page reads like a eulogy, it’s creepy af how much they’re trying to prove Destiny as a saint

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No. 575995

this is a real self own

No. 575998

Oh Yeah this is DareGare or something like that. Her animations are cute but, the characters are the typical yaoi tropes so it's pretty disappointing.

No. 576061

Agreed. It's really appealing and can see it working well in any media.

The people who attempt the 'ugly' style and lack a grip on certain concepts tend to have the most hideous shit. This is a far cry from any of that.

>It makes me suspicious this thread is actually half filled with coomer commissioners that are mad nobody will draw their waifu for free, and that the other half is beginner artists that are so submerged in Dunning Kruger that they become jealous whenever they see another artist get praise or paid for art.
Don't forget the potential overlap to where they feel obliged to these artist's time and want a cut of their userbase. The combination of DK Syndrome with Crabs in a Bucket leads to this.

I'm noticing that anyone in that situation is really better off saying nothing. Being assumed that you're a quiet transphobe fades away faster than responding positively or negatively. Especially since, if you reply with pandering, they'll expect more out of you. If people assume you're a bigot because you didn't respond to their question, they're setting themselves up to be flagged for harassment if they're persistent.

Why don't they bother trans artists for this stuff?

I don't get this either. NBs are always policing women's language but wanting to be included in things that are specifically by and for women. I don't think people on this site are transphobic, they just think as you do but more vocal about it. No one beats around the bushes here with girldick bullshit here.

No. 576107

thats becase destiny control that and the orquidia art twitter

No. 576135

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Yeah, I think you’re right, or it’s one of her friends, either way, they ain’t slick- like, this is shamefully obvious

No. 576251

> the other half is beginner artists that are so submerged in Dunning Kruger that they become jealous whenever they see another artist get praise or paid for art.
This thread seems to be dominated by these types even more than usual now. The constant whining about someone having expensive supplies or "overcharging" (i.e. asking the price consumers are willing to pay) is so obviously deep rooted in jealousy and bitterness over someone else's success. People keep bringing up how someone like Sakimichan doesn't "deserve" the ridiculous amount of money she receives each month just because of their favourite "her anatomy sucks" cope. I'm sorry to tell you all this but you're not entitled to fame and money no matter how much technical skill you have because art is not a meritocracy.

>Why don't they bother trans artists for this stuff?
They don't have to, they're already drawing tons of girldicks to slap on everyone's faces. The point is to colonize female creations and keep those dumb cis staceys at check so they know their places.
>they're setting themselves up to be flagged for harassment if they're persistent.
Only if it were so easy. If you don't reply they just keep pulling out bigger guns to bully a reaction out of you. If you keep calm and never address the drama, they'll start harassing everyone who likes and shares your art with "Hey you know this artist is a transphobe right??? would be sad if we had to cancel you too you know…..". The tranny cultists are fucking insane and go above and beyond to punish an artist who doesn't pander to their mentally ill asses. Especially because the artist circles are so woke and an artist's income depends much on their social reputation it's particularly depressing.

No. 576292

God I can’t wait to be a popular artist and make a women sticker. I’d like to see them bitches try. The art community is full of them too. Self righteous ppl who don’t mind their business tf.

No. 576304

> This thread seems to be dominated by these types even more than usual now. The constant whining about someone having expensive supplies or "overcharging"

I can’t believe you posted that whole paragraph without thinking that this is an ART FORUM dedicated to ripping on YouTube artists and anything inbetween. Jc, get off your high horse and Go back to the initial posts and you’ll find the same shit there as in here,

No. 576348

>art is not a meritocracy
anything that you make a business out of, becomes a meritocracy. i'll take my thirty dollar loish prints over >>575397 anyday, thanks

No. 576349

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it doesn't even matter what she's talking about. the manner in which she talks about it is so childish and obnoxious

No. 576351

You're comparing apples to oranges though. This person is selling 2 characters which I would assume give you the licence to use them however you please (or close to at least), where as prints are just that, a copy of an existing work that people can purchase over and over. They're not unique and doesn't grant you any special privileges.

No. 576354

Nayrt but complaining about literal nobodies pricing their work "too high" or how someone doesn't "deserve" their success isn't milk, it's just pathetic
Like you said we're here to rip on stupid stuff artists do. We're not here to whine about how much literal nobodies are charging, or how our own OC donut steel art should be so much more successful than Sakimichan's and how it's not fair boohoo

No. 576371

it's a matter of opinion at that point. i'd have something custom made for 500$, yes, but i'd personally prefer buying something i can probably hang up without wanting to rip it off my wall everyday.
continuing on that analogy, i'm actually curious about loish's commission charges (if she's ever free lol). i do remember seeing artgerm's prices and i can definitely buy an original artwork from him for around 500. it is what it is.

fair enough. it IS artist salt thread after all

No. 576385

Makes sense that she would defend that Strawberrymilk person since she talks just like her in the cringey ass baby talk. You're in your 20's bitch, act like it.

No. 576389

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What exactly is she trying to argue here???? That as you get older your stupidity still shouldn't be held accountable?

No. 576403

Do you guys have any advice on studying anatomy off photo references?
I have a good grasp on it and have done my fair share of studying (mostly specific parts rather than the entire body though). I've been trying to draw what I see from Pinterest photos but it ends up looking a mess, proportions not right etc etc.
I feel like there's something I'm not doing right but can't quite figure it out, so any advice?

No. 576416

If the proportions aren't right, you should study that first over anatomy. Instead of getting bogged down in the details, you should practice getting a simple mannequin in the same pose/proportion/perspective as the photo first, then add the fat and muscles ontop. Its recommended to exaggerate the gesture a bit so that the end result doesn't look stiff - but maybe for now just focus on accuracy.

No. 576435

Personally I use websites like line of action to help out with movement/anatomy in my poses. I started using it 2 years ago, and have seen significant progress. The website is a literally gift from the gods because it allows different practices (Figure/hands/faces) that isn’t just human

No. 576481

Jojo doesn't live in the same world as we do. She's been in business since she was a child. She's had a few controversies already. She has loads of adults around her that help her make decisions.
Jojo deserves criticism, not just because she's probably mentally older than a typical 18 year old, but because she's also surrounded by waaayyyyy older adults helping make her decisions. Criticizing her is in a way criticizing them.

No. 576533

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No. 576543

God, I never liked this kind of character shipping. It’s the type were the ocs were made on the intent to represent a relationship, which isn’t bad in of itself, but most, including this one, is just so heavily rooted on being some weird fetish.
Like, stop spreading that shit around like HIV, claiming that it’s made for representation, when really it’s There to fulfill the person’s own fetish

No. 576556

sjws like this are just too woke to realise they like traps lol

No. 576629


Lol. The literal point of this forum is to be salty and bitch about stupid shit artist do. don't act like you're some sort of intellectual on this site talking about real, just problems in the art community. you're here to bitch and whine and complain just like the rest of us.

I'm suspicious that a lot of anons are artistsfags themselves and are getting insecure and annoyed when people talk about money.

The original art sperg anon posted was a dumb example but they have a point. There are ways to determine the average price of art, and those criteria are pretty fullproof although there are exceptions.

Saying art has whatever value you assign to it is fucking stupid, because I could sell a Gucci plain white shirt for 600 dollars and that would be a rip off as well, even though there are people who pay that price.

It's actually possible to make fun of delusional artists and the people stupid enough to pay their ridiculous prices at the same time.
It's also funny to see people whine about the value of art. Art is a product just like anything else, it doesnt have inherently more value than any other product.

No. 576641

The concept of artists ripping off people because they charge $100 for a commission or whatever makes no sense because the customers determine the value of someone's art, not the artist. Like gucci can sell their shit for $600, because $600 is a reasonable price for millionaires who want to buy gucci. Gucci is not for poor people. Art is a luxury item in the same way, it is a non-essential product, so it has no monetary value until it is given one by someone who's willing to pay for it

No. 576661

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Japanese highschool setting huh? very feminine gay boys are part of anime/manga history so it's not like it's someting new, but is it unwoke? only twitter can decide. the author is just a weeb fujo

No. 576740

There's a fucking spectrum of topics to discuss besides "intellectual high art" and seething over someone's $100 character commissions. I'm not in high school anymore, being jealous over someone making money fair and square isn't interesting. The thread keeps being derailed back into the "how dare this bitch earn her living doing drawings I don't like" territory and it attracts an equally boring and cringy userbase.

>Saying art has whatever value you assign to it is fucking stupid, because I could sell a Gucci plain white shirt for 600 dollars and that would be a rip off as well, even though there are people who pay that price.

No, a ripoff would be someone charging you $10 for the same brand of coffee you could get for $5 across the street. If a Gucci plain white shirt became a huge viral meme and every rich brat wanted one for the brand, the price tag would be justified. All in all most designs are just plain clothes and the price comes from the privilege of getting to wear a luxurious logo. Art isn't absolute and the price is set by demand and prestige, nothing else. Like it or not.

Anyone can learn perfect anatomy if they study and practice hard enough but even if your stuff was fit for the biology books you can't slap a price tag of $500 per commission on it if you're a no name artist with no following. Or, you can do that, but nobody will be paying for it. I've seen subpar artists have their commission slots filled in seconds and them dragging their feet working on what they were paid for and constantly being hateful towards their customers. Yet these artists keep getting business simply because they have a brand and a style everyone wants a piece of. I'm sure someone thinks your favourite artists are overrated garbage who don't deserve the recognition they're getting on a constant basis as well.

And as for your "y-you're just insecure!!" strawman, I do art as a side business and earn good money from my day job because I couldn't give less shits about constantly networking and building my brand like one has to do in order to actually make a coin with art. At least I realized this early on and got an actual fucking degree instead so I can afford a roof over my head.

No. 576756

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Who is this artist trying to fool by calling themselves a guy, compare that to pic related by a male mangaka. Guys don’t care about flowery high school romance feefees, they think about sex just like the cumbrained straight guys.

No. 576766

i agree there are some stylistic differences you can pick up on between men and women's art styles, but c'mon now. interact with a real life member of the opposite sex if you really think none of them create subject matter or art around the topic of emotional connection. men have feelings and if anything express them through their work/art more than anything else.

i'm lost. i know what you mean but i'm missing out on the weird fetish going on here you're referring to? the fact the artist is into fujoshit/shipping?

No. 576790

>I'm Skaroy! i'm a guy that likes drawing guys liking guys :) he/him!!

so a heterosexual girl that likes yaoi ok

No. 576791

>the most bland uke/seme shit except the artist is in denial
do people really? also i hope skaroy is just an internet name and not something she uses in real life hooooly shit

No. 576793

maybe is the guy in feminine clothing?, a lot of fujoshis love the idea of "ukes" in femine aesthetics/ bee like a women but they are cis males

No. 576889

>there are some stylistic differences you can pick up on between men and women's art styles

Now this is a topic I'm always interested in. Especially when it comes to erotic art. Sometimes the lines do blur though.

No. 576900

>interact with a real life member of the opposite sex if you really think none of them create subject matter or art around the topic of emotional connection. men have feelings and if anything express them through their work/art more than anything else.
I know they do but I think you over exaggerated what I was saying in my post.

No. 576906

are there actually any cis males who draw this kinda softboi fujoshi art? the only artists i've ever seen who draw this shit were women or, at most, obvious ftm transtrenders

No. 576923


I've seen a lot in DJ circles with the softboy, trap aesthetic. When the artists don't focus on H, there's a bucket load of crossdressing with a focus on the relationship. It's a bit odd to see

No. 576924

Fat agree. It’s a really interesting topic because it makes me wonder how some of my viewers think I’m a guy based on my art.
I wonder if there is some baseline sexism because when I tell my own viewers my actual gender, I get quite a few Comments changing from “wow you’re art is good” to “you’re art is good, I would have never suspected you being a female”.
It’s all innocent, but it rubs me the wrong way.

No. 577078

Like what artists though?

Since I only followed one of his blogs I thought Ryo Suzuri was a woman, until I found out his real name and that he worked for Capcom. Also, after seeing him draw stuff like a guy fucking a monster’s throat wound/vagina I thought yeah this has to be a guy

And then a lot of people are surprised when they find out that women draw hardcore stuff as well

No. 577109

Fuck the retards saying there needs to be a cock in the picture, and fuck her for giving in. If these commenters like dick so much, they should draw it themselves.

Because they're posers who want to keep their dick while also earning woke points for being twans wimmin.

This made me laugh. What manga is this, anyway?

I met one cis fudanshi in college that drew a lot of Kiribaku stuff. That said, though, he probably did look at/draw porn, but had the social tact not to talk about it. Male yaoi writers/fans tend to be more drawn to bara or comedies.

No. 577111

To be completely fair, gender reassignment surgery is the worst possible thing you can do if you're a trans woman. 99.9% of the time it goes wrong and most trans women regret it.

No. 577116

Right, but that doesn't mean they need to worship and show off their cocks. At least tuck, ffs.

No. 577141

that's true
cartoon men drawn/written by women> men

No. 577203

Dousei Yankee Akamatsu Seven

No. 577298

Yes, they're all shotacon

No. 577304

Sorry to derail a little, but is Ryo Suzuri really a man? On one of his early accounts he is listed as a woman. And it wouldn't be odd for a woman to draw hardcore gory stuff.
Though if he is a man, he's probably not a straight one.

No. 577319

Oh god i remember watching this…i was tricked this was a straight couple. The trap even looks like he has cleavage god i hate this

No. 577519

Never heard of him/her but looking at the art just now I'd definitely guess it's a woman. Looks like dark and edgy fujo stuff.

No. 577553

Do any of you have the XP pen 12? I really want to get a screen tablet because I’ve found I draw way better on my phone than my regular wacom tablet, and I think the screen helps that. Was also looking at the Wacom One, but’s more expensive

No. 577564

I post on a weekly schedule but I've when I missed my post day someone messaged me and asked how I was I just replied I was fine and working on my post and they were like :) Kay so now it's a month later I missed my post last week and the same person messaged me like they are acting like we are friends but also like their my boss or something and idk what to do. I don't wanna be rude but I am def annoyed. Any other anons deal with this?

No. 577566

What? You completely lost me there anon.

No. 577567

Just tell them that your irl life gets busy or whatever so your schedule might get messed up sometimes. I don't think it's fair of you to feel annoyed, this person simply seems to care about how you're doing

No. 577577

>it makes me wonder how some of my viewers think I’m a guy based on my art.
I used to have a small following for NSFW art on tumblr and 4chan, I mostly drew solo pin-ups of popular anime girls or whatever "draw your character wearing this" trends. I never shared photos or personal details other than my age and gender, but many users decided I was a guy who was just pretending to be a girl to get more attention/commissions. They wouldn't believe that the only reason I wouldn't share photos was because I wanted to keep my privacy, they said if I wanted to be successful for my art then I would get more attention anyway for sharing selfies like other successful girls who do it, and so to them the only reason that I wasn't sharing photos was that I must be a man. After that sometimes people would point to certain bits of my style as proof that I was a man like if I drew clothing that only men like etc. My following didn't change but it really frustrated me to see the dumb things that they decided were proof

I don't think you can ever know for sure whether than artist is male or female but imo with western hetero art there is usually a sense of personal wish fulfillment in art drawn by men of what they would like to see whereas women are usually just trying to create an image of a beautiful character that others will like or they can imagine themselves as.

No. 577585

That's…terrible anon what the actual fuck? The nerve of some fucking men.

No. 577590

I wouldn't say that women usually draw images without the intent of wish fulfillment. I know plenty of female artists that are flat chested, that wish that had big breasts, that draw every character with big breasts. I have large breasts, and I prefer to draw characters with small breasts or flat chested. (just one example of a wish fulfillment trait out of many)

No. 577612

As someone who is Western and making ero art, there's a weird thing where they expect female artists to be way more transparent or meet certain tropes. They get excited over the idea of you being female, but also blame you for "having it easy" (which isn't true).
It doesn't help that I'm female and like draw more het and yuri. But the way I draw my het should be a giveaway.

No. 577623

I do! I use it on the regularly but if you can afford the updated 13 model, which is around 100 bucks more it's much better. The artist 12 has that low price because it's an outdated model, and the cable often gives me trouble

No. 577624

honestly anon that's probably for the best. Being a female nsfw artist gets you tons of creeps

No. 577658

>and so to them the only reason that I wasn't sharing photos was that I must be a man.
This happened to me and a lot of other people I know. Call me a tranny or a man, If I don't want to show my face that's that. What the hell? Some people get so pushy over it too, some feel like they're entitled to see your face after you've seen theirs. In general, people are so obsessed with getting pictures of you if you're a girl that I often just pretend to be a guy most of the time.

>certain bits of my style as proof that I was a man like if I drew clothing that only men like etc.

This is the worst one. I draw anime girls being sexy because I'm sexually attracted to the female form. That and I also dabble in hetshit and yuri lol. I don't get how that makes me seem "male" to people.

No. 577668

I mean if your main audience is 4chan coomers, of course they're going to be invasive, entitled creeps. That unfortunately comes with the territory when you mainly make nsfw anime art.

No. 577823

Are there any good Youtubers who make speedpaints while they talk about something? I enjoyed some of Tobi's stuff until I discovered she's rather obnoxious, but I'm having trouble finding others.
Doesn't need to be about drama, I just find the speedpaint and voice combo really nice to draw to myself.

No. 577852

There are tons of them, but none have really stuck with me. The genre seems to be filled with small channels with annoying voices (which defeats the purpose for me). Also, they often have crappy personalities. It's also hard to find them, because a lot of the channels do, like, one video where they talk and draw, and that's it.
Creators I could find that consistently talk and draw:
Hopeless Peaches, TwistedDisaster, Yukibunns, Spo0ksi, ChaoticToons, Mute Chan, MadLibbs, HilariouslyScary, McKay & Gray, Oliver's Antics, LemiaCrescent, LeslieLu Marie, akai storm, Piper Sweeney, Katzun, LittleSatyr
Creators that talk and draw inconsistently/or did one video: Shasti_x, ArtCrumbs, dweeblet, rebelInksArt, Nezziemonster, TheZodiacLord, Mako Makes, SnickerDoodlez Angel, vaporcore, AruvaChan, pixele, Plushie Deer Productions, Apselene, Emily Loves Cookies, Opellie, Cabbage
It goes on forever. It’s kind of a shit show

No. 577855

well i guess when you put it like that, the answer is no

No. 577901

Just wait until they about how 80% of hentai artists in Japan are female.

No. 577904

Going to end up sounding like a jealous small time artist but yueko's attitude is so high and mighty.

No. 577912

could you talk about a specific instance or show caps? never heard of this artist.

No. 577959

There's a channel called Adam Duff LUCIDPIXUL and he talks over speedpaintings (usually about art-related things and in a calm voice that makes me very sleepy lol). You could also check out Challa, vonnart or maybe BoroCG. These are the only ones that come to mind though, it seems like a kinda niche thing. I think that if artists talk, it's generally during livestreams or in podcasts

No. 578009

I tried watching one of his videos titled why artists think they’re bad or something like that—and he put me to sleep because of his voice

No. 578036

Honestly when did it become the norm to share photos of yourself online. Especially when you're drawing nsfw I don't know why you would. Men online will always try to push your boundaries best to never give them an inch

No. 578039


It definitely didn't used to be this way. It used to be about protecting your identity, your info, etc. Internet safety was like a huge thing in the 90s. That rather quickly changed with sites like MySpace and Facebook. Along with cameras on phones. We all sort of dove right in. I remember not being all the way on board with it but then my friends started tagging me in pictures without asking. Now most everyone is a part of a huge database whether they want to be or not. Society is very voyeuristic like that. We give our information away way too easily, and I hate it.

No. 578077

You're right. So many people reveal themselves online and I'm kinda surprised. You draw piss and diaper shit, show off your ugly face and name and except to get hired (in whatever industry) - shit, I'd be horrified if my employer found my cringy husbando fanart.

No. 578164

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A 14 year old drew this

How does that make you feel

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No. 578167

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Anyone remember Oceanchan? I used to love her art when I was 12 but when she started drawing with thicker outlines/more saturated colors I lost interest.
For reference, this is new art -

No. 578168

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And this is old art

No. 578171

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This is so petty but found their reddit account and this is something they appear to have drawn 6 months ago.

No. 578173

Well at least they're not drawing banal anime or furry shit (I assume)

No. 578178

good for them!

No. 578179

I really love her coloring style, but the lineart is 17 year old weeb on Deviant Art tier.

No. 578180

are you expecting people to start despairing over this, all that makes me think is that they shouldn't talk about their age/personal life on the internet being so young.

this is a lot more charming, i don't know why you would want her to get stuck on that nicely detailed but very 14 year old deviantart user style.

No. 578182

I don't get this style at all. It's like it looks bad on purpose.

No. 578184

This is cute, reminds me of early 2000s anime fan-art. It's charming.

No. 578185

Both styles are okay. I do agree that the first one's colors are a bit too harsh, though.

No. 578205

Never heard of this artist, but I agree her older art looks better.
Doesn't mean she regressed, both images look like different styles to me.
I've always been more into the softer shadows so I prefer the older one, but I can see the appeal in the newer one.

No. 578224

I’ve been seeing lately that a lot of artists will trace from 3d models or reference pictures specially for comics/manga. I just wanted to ask how do you anons feel about this? Is this okay to do as long as you’re not technically tracing other people’s work?

No. 578226

imo tracing is never good. 3D models are often stiff and goofy looking so if you're going to trace anything you should probably trace from something more lifelike.

No. 578229

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There’s nothing wrong with tracing your own photography or using tools like design doll that are specifically for artists to use. It’s not uncommon for manga artists take their own photos or have their assistants get them because they have deadlines and the tracing saves time. Also, if you don’t already know how to draw using a model will be a crutch and it’ll probably be obvious that something 3D is being traced over.

It becomes a problem when artists trace images that are copyrighted or used without the permission of the person who made it. For example, this mangaka’s career got trashed for a while because she blatantly copied a photo from a modeling shoot someone else took. But some other ones have been able to get away with it because their art looks more like a homage, like Hirohiko Araki and Takehiko Inoue.

No. 578230

they do that to speed up comic
nothing wrong with that as in nothing wrong with cheap mass produce products
but ofc they are usually not a great artist from begin with so I doubt they can do better than 3D model

No. 578231

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And here’s one with Inoue, because he copied a lot of basketball game photos while making Slam Dunk but changed them to look like the characters.

No. 578232

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>looking for MHA fanart on twitter
>this is the first thing I see
fuck coomers

No. 578234

>drawn by a person born in an era where technology has become more accessible

your point?

No. 578239

it looks great and he's obviously very skilled.

No. 578243

It's a necessary evil of the industry that only amateurs and famous veterans have the luxury to bitch about. Most comic backgrounds - be it manga or western - are heavily referenced if not outright traced from photos taken by the artist. 3D is the new kid on the block but very convenient for mechanical objects and interiors. Unless you're famous, its not economically feasible to do otherwise on an element the reader is going to look at for less than a second.

No. 578248

I'll give them a look, thanks!

No. 578257

I feel like this should be an example of why you shouldn't trace/reference without understanding anatomy, though. The proportions are fucked, look at their enormously long forearms and tiny heads. It doesn't look good at all.

No. 578269

>doesn’t look good at all
Didn’t stop it from selling 125 million books

No. 578320

>Inoue doesn't understand anatomy

No. 578346

okay, but are you trying to tell me that you are able to look at the posted image and say that the figures are visually pleasing or accurate to the human form? dude in the front's head attaches directly to his torso. I understand assistants rushing to meet a deadline and making mistakes. But as a single composition, it looks shitty and isn't a good example of closely using reference images to create a better artwork, no matter the big name attached to it.

No. 578359

Do you analyse the language used by weather reporter to see if they use the full spectrum of the spoken word to it's fullest potential, striking a balance between efficiency and poetry and standing on a millennium of words before it?
You're looking at a single frame of a basketball manga, it's not created as an example of using reference images to create a better artwork, it's just meant to show a bunch of guys jumping with a ball.

No. 578362

Rae made a new video. She's using one of the best and most luxurious oil paints (Old Holland) in the world, and still is comparing them to cheap crap. There's nothing wrong with just saying "Hey these are good, and also super expensive, maybe don't invest if you're not super serious".

She complains that the packaging isn't good enough for the price point (that's not why they're expensive Rey) and that one color from the set looks just as good as its counterpart in the $7 oil paint set. She also compares them to the $60 sennelier oil paints, and says that they are practically the same.

Does she really not understand why the price is so high? Not only is everything handmade/clamped/painted, the ingrediants are of the highest quality and there's no filler or crap in the paint. It's lightfast and the paint won't crack or age badly, or be prone to discoloration. Not to mention the formula of the paint, and their mixing/glazing properties and all the years of research that went into creating it. Considering how famous the brand is and their immpecable standards, that price point is still really cheap. This is just seems so ungrateful and lazy.

No. 578376


Fucking clickbait. Just shows that she knows that 200 bucks for oil paints are unsurprising.

I think Jazza is the only one from those entertaining youtubers who is able to understand the pricepoint of supplies and does not roast them all the time as if cheap stuff is da best.

No. 578404

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Yeah the video really bothered me. Her implication, despite understanding all the work put into the paints (and oof, how she laid them down to show the camera), basically implies to the company “all your handmade items are not worth past this $90 factory made paint, so lower your price”.
Rae, sweetheart, you do know that with some paints, you need the skill to show how good they are, right? God, the literal ego from this amateur artists is unbelievable, its like she’s in denial how bad at art she really is

No. 578405


This is why I can't stand any of Rae's "review" videos. She doesn't know what the fuck she talking about but she drones on as if she's an authority on art.

The Gucci pen review is the most obnoxious. Yeah, of course it's a dumb Gucci pen, but she's constantly harping about how shitty it is because it exploded, as if it happened out of the blue. No. It exploded because dumbass Rae held it over an open flame. ANY pen would explode. Rae is so fucking stupid it's infuriating.

No. 578406

The more I think about it, the more I realize that she reminds me of those “art girls” in middle school/high school who would only draw an eye, bad realistic portrait in their spiral notebook/art projects and claim to know a lot about art

No. 578407

Did she just mixed water with oils?

No. 578409

It irritates me, just like when I saw her complain about the price of the Carand'ache Luminance. She does know that an artist with a solid fanbase and talent can make that money back with a couple pieces + all the prints you could sell aside from that.

If you actually know what you're doing, the profit margin is so high, so of course the materials are going to be expensive. Not only are you paying for all the work and materials that go into making them, you're also paying for the decades of research and development, the fact that it's a famous brand, and the fact that you could make that money back with one single piece, depending on the artist.

No. 578412


This idiot says that "gold lake" is not opaque enough….its a transparent pigment! Its not suposed to be opaque!

Also, Old Holland is more expensive in the us because of taxes and duty. Here in europe its very reasonable priced and absolutely worth the money. Since you get the best selction of pigments and oils in there

No. 578416


You have to use paintthinner to dilute oil paints, unless they arent watersoluble oil paints (which Old Holland are not)

No. 578420

Jazza does a better job explaining his work with oil paint, with next to no experience. Rae has a freaking degree in oil painting. I'll never shit on anyone for being a bad artist because everybody can improve, but god it makes me mad to see people refuse to learn or self critique their work or at last do the bare minimum to research before making a video.

No. 578423

other anons mentioned it but 3d models can be quite stiff so i don't think even when comic/manga artists use them they trace them 1:1, more like use it as an example. and reference pictures taken by the artist or in the public domain are 100% okay.

anon no one cares about this low hanging fruit. post it in the shitty art thread, this thread is for actually discussion and not just spamming bad pictures.

No. 578448

This anime style is really outdated , reminds me of artists that were popular in the mid and late 00's like joodlez, kurot, kaze-hime who have faded away since then.

The styles that are popular now will also go out of style and i wonder if current popular artists will adapt or fade away. Artist styles that used to be hot in 2017 like vicki sigh have become boring because so many have adopted a similar style. The only internet artist who i can think of who has managed to retain their popularity over the years and have their style still look fresh is loish, but I'm sure there are others

No. 578459

Actually I like this way more. She took Arina Tanemura's style and ran with it so it is outdated, but I still find it pretty cute and the colors are appealing to me (except for the yellow skin…)

No. 578465

Kind of a pity she got canceled, that looks neat. The colors are lovely.

No. 578486


kek @ her berating the packaging and comparing it to chanel. it's not expensive for the same reasons that chanel is expensive. when you buy chanel you're paying for the brand, not the product. this paint is not "designer," it's just very high quality. who gives a fuck about the packaging? it's probably not even sold at that high of a markup, considering how much labor goes into every single tube of paint.

also, of COURSE colored pencils have a bunch of padding, they can break. a tube of paint isn't going to snap in half like a pencil might, so the padding would be superfluous.

No. 578502

I wonder how much Rae makes off of her YouTube because I find it incredible that she’s able to use canvases and simply throw them out or Be able to purchase $100+ material and then never use them again/breaks them easily,

No. 578509

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TwistedDisaster always talks about being an author and the book shes writing, but has anyone actually seen how she writes? Her captions, tweets and journals are practically unreadable….simple spelling errors and random cut off sentences everywhere. I want to see her book if its all like this

No. 578514


kek I'd expect something from a non-native speaker.

No. 578530

Why does she specifies that the 18 year old’s cup size?

No. 578541

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idk, but these are her socialblade stats.

No. 578549

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Ariel Versace (rightfully) got Creepshow/Shannon's channel demonetized.

No. 578552

good, fuck that cunt. If you're going to accuse someone of distributing child porn you better be bringing that shit to the police and not twitter/youtube for temporary clout.

No. 578554

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I don’t understand the appeal of merryweather’s art. It’s just meme turned into UwU animu girl for coomers.

No. 578561

What’s sad is that Shannon still prob wont change, she’ll pull the whole “everyone just hates me because I’m the worst :)”
Such a disgusting deflection from her actions

No. 578562

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She’s such a scary Karen

No. 578566

I find it weird that she looks like this. Her videos are edgy, so you'd think she looks edgy, but she looks like an old housewife.

No. 578571


She reminds me of Elizabeth Taylor. What a waste.

No. 578572

Creepshowart said Tobi was 100% right in their video on her.
10:30 - Doesn’t understand the criticism that she’s overemotional and overreacts
30:05 - Thinks the reason people think she’s changed and has an ego is because her Youtube numbers are doing well
I'm sure you can find more in there, but I don't want to sit through more.
How can you think someone is completely right in their criticism against you, when you don’t understand it?

No. 578578

that Karuna Satori tweet is still her twitter banner, btw.
did she even watch tobi's video? kek

No. 578579

It’s a really creepy story premise. Something about vampires being kept as pets/slaves on a “compound”? Maybe it’s a reach but sounds like a plantation to me

No. 578593

I think that’s the idea, kinda like the movie Daybreakers, I believe the plot has the world overrun by vampires, and they, particularly the vamp protag’s family runs a plantation of humans. The relationship between the protag and her “pet” (who is human) is weird, but hopefully it’ll be interesting

No. 578616

He doesn’t draw he writes the comics anon

No. 578673

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Kek, Shannon does the only thing she knows, complains online to send a wave of her brainless followers- please don’t let her win this

No. 578675

Maybe now she can get a real fucking job

No. 578682

She got what she deserved imho, she accused 3 known drag queens of leaking an underage youtuber's nudes, the drag queen lawyerd up and this is what she gets for divulging false information.

No. 578696

Ngl this is pretty satisfying to see. Hopefully YT sticks to their decision to demonetize.

No. 578700

Ik now but I don’t see how his content is funny. It’s just formulaic.

No. 578719

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it's more apparent in this picture, but the images looked manipulated in some way. i'm not sure if she used a filter, but in this image, her eyes look abnormally large. the skin gives me that "skin smoother filter" vibe. this could be a result of a low res cam and a lot of makeup, so i'm not sure.
what i am sure of, is that the deadass expression she keeps giving the camera looks lifeless and dead, as if i'm looking at a lifelike blowup doll.
also shannon's eyes are blue in this pic, but not in that pic. do her eyes change color?

No. 578734

it looks like face tune or a snap chat filter or something. its like enough for it to change her face shape and make her eyes bigger/more defined but not enough to immediately tell its a filter.

No. 578741

Thinking of putting NSFW versions of my art behind a patreon paywall. Any advice of how much it should cost? I was thinking no more than $10.

No. 578780


depends how good your shit is and if it appeals to any certain demographics/fetish groups. maybe 5$ for vanilla stuff, 10$ if it gets really fetishy.

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No. 578782

Damn. For once, I wanted her to face real consequences for her actions. Especially since those actions were false pedo allegations.

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