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No. 580991
Tell the operating system(s) that you use in your personal life from among these options:
- Windows (Don't tell me)
- Mac OS X (Please don't tell me)
- Linux, Debian tree (incl. Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, PureOS, and moar) (excl. Tails because reasons)
- Linux, RPM tree (incl. RHEL, Fedora, CentOS, and moar)
- Linux, pacman tree (incl. Arch, Manjaro, Parabola, and moar)
- Linux, others (Gentoo, Puppy Linux, etc.)
- Tails
- FreeBSD
- OpenBSD
- Other BSD distributions
- Solaris distributions
- Qubes OS
- Others? (like Menuet or Temple OS)
Me personally, I use Tails primarily, but also Qubes OS.
Isn't this board supposed to be off topic?
No. 580996
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>Temple OS
No. 581056
I use a minimal install of LTS Ubuntu as my main os. Not bad, not great, but it does the job
>>581016This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think you'll learn that much more about Linux by installing Arch or even Gentoo. I did install and use both for years, and I didn't feel much more enlightened than when I use a Debian net installer. You totally can learn everything related to the cli and system administration with a stock Ubuntu.
Having said that I often read Arch is overall pretty stable (compared to what it used to be when I used it) and the documentation is definitively great, so maybe give it a whirl if you want to start from a lower lever than a stock Ubuntu/Fedora install
I never did it myself but you could go for a Linux From Scratch in a virtual machine or separate partition if you really want to learn how Linux works (if it's worth spending time on for one of your CS modules)
No. 581173
>>581169You can easily set up a dual-boot in the installer so you can have both windows and linux at once and you chose which os you want to boot into at startup.
Mint is my top recommendation for new users. Ubuntu is fine, but has inbuilt telemetry and is made by a for profit company. Mint is maintained by its community.
You can use something like balena etcher to install linux on a usb, and you can boot into it so you can test out the os without installing it onto your pc
No. 581175
>>581169I suggest you start with user friendly distro like Ubuntu. Most distros including ubuntu work out of the box but ubuntu really has a widespread community and documentation. Although I'm not too fond of it for various reasons, if you want to wean yourself off of windows, ubuntu is a good start.
pop!_os is also gaining popularity because it looks nice and targets the mainstream user. As you mentioned mint is also a beginner friendly distro and so is manjaro (which is not from the same family as ubuntu). What I recommend is looking up youtube videos of the distros you like and work from there. You can also visit r/unixporn to get inspired but I don't suggest you start heavily customizing if you're not familiar with the terminal/command line.
You should be able to dual boot linux alongside with windows. But if that seems too complicated for you and you're afraid to break something, you could run it in a vm.
Also windows 10 keys sell for under 5 dollars so I'm not sure if that's something to worry about.
My personal favorite is Xubuntu (riced no less). I got my parents Zorin OS and they like it for basic web browsing, excel work and writing emails, watching movies etc. I see a lot of people I follow especially artists like Kubuntu. Those are different flavors of ubuntu with a different desktop environment but they all offer more or less the same functionality.
No. 581184
>>581180It doesn't hurt and it doesn't cost to try. My first advice is to go on youtube and check out feature tours or overviews of distros. Maybe trying it out in a vm, you can try out as many distros you like and your machine allows for, isn't a bad idea.
I personally work and have been productive in a linux environment so don't get dismayed by M$ shills when they say it's for neckbeards and basement dwellers. You can spend little to no time configuring it or you can go the more autistic route and start ricing it/modifying it more to your liking.
>>581181Mac os depending which one though, isn't bad per se. It's more about the policy and the ideology behind apple. Both windows and apple have a bad reputation due to removing features, spying, transparency etc. My parents find it easier to work on a linux distro than windows 10 because it's simpler, better, and faster to use. Not to mention the increase of subscription based products when there's a better and free alternative (e.g. libreoffice vs ms office)
No. 581360
>>581041>>581056Thanks for the advice this is very helpful!
>>581173I had no idea that Ubuntu had inbuilt telemetry, fuck that.
>>581175What makes Xubuntu stand out as your favorite?
No. 581512
>>580991I use a Linux "debian tree" for both of my computers. I use Xubuntu for gaming, and Devuan for my web-browser-machine (laptop).
I recommend Devuan because I'm seeing not-having systemd makes a lot of things simpler or all the commands feel direct. But I use Xubuntu for gaming because of drivers and software versions are more recent. I'm looking at switching to Void Linux for my gaming purposes however.
No. 581680
>>581169 again. Considered doing dual OS to possibly make the transition easier/have options, but I have literally never used Win10 in my life (current laptop runs Win7, work laptop runs Win8) and I fucking struggled way too hard trying to navigate around and see the space on the thumb drive I was making into a recovery usb (inb4 'computer retard' yes i am one).
Guess I'm just gonna go whole hog and switch completely over to Linux (probably Mint) since I'll be struggling to adjust anyway. I might leave my old laptop as is on Win7, or maybe switch it to dual boot Win7 and Xfce Mint since I've been reading that the latter runs nice on old computers.
No. 582049
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I use Linux Mint. It sucks because all the cool programs are Windows or Mac only.
No. 582427
>>582043I have it dual booting for now because I got spooked when installing it by the "THIS WILL DELETE EVERYTHING" even though my Windows 10 has nothing lol. Good thing I did because apparently I'm fucking retarded and don't know how to get all the tiny little applets in the corner (where the clock and volume button are grouped) to show up!!
How the fuck do I expand it?? All the icons show up when I'm in edit panel mode, but then disappear and I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to expand it. I googled for like half an hour before I got fed up and rebooted my laptop to get into Windows just so I could safely eject this usb drive.
No. 586415
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>>586358Stay safe wherever you are
No. 589024
>>588769Normally, I'd have a list of reasons, but off the top of my head, in the Linux ecosystem:
- Package management makes installing programs easy.
On Windows, you had to open the web browser, search for a program, manually checksum the file, and go through the install wizard which may or may not come with offers like "Do you want to install <toolbar>, <antivirus software>, <free virus scan>".
- Built in borderless windowed mode from the window manager for gaming.
On Windows, I've installed two different apps to accomplish this, one of which became deprecated.
On my desktop environment, I have more options like "Always on Top", "Always Below Other Windows", "Roll Window Up". There's also a choice in window managers which new features like tagging, tiling, etc.
- The command line on Linux has more support and makes technical problems solvable by copy and paste. On Windows, there's often a pictorial sequence of clicking on a GUI (which may or may not have changed in different versions).
- I can set a consistent GUI theme while on my old windows install, each program was starting to look like a mish-mash of different eras like 'normal' from gui programs, turbo aero glass aesthetics from my graphics driver, and flat metro.
There's also better customization on Linux, and I can actually change the wallpaper on the login screen unlike on Windows.
No. 589543
>>589024>The command line on Linux has more support and makes technical problems solvable by copy and paste. On Windows, there's often a pictorial sequence of clicking on a GUI (which may or may not have changed in different versions).not that im a wangblows shill, but powershell has become increasingly useful and easy to use recently. you can even use powershell core on
nix now. because it was rebuilt from the ground up, the consistent syntax and good help docs make it preferable to sh in some cases. praise ms
No. 589569
>>589549There is no reason for most people, even technically inclined, to switch tbh. At this point I stick with windows and just run a vm when I need something done on Linux specifically. I use powershell on windows and it’s quite nice; but even if you don’t, Windows has a lot of conveniences, and even a lot of tech programs only have windows versions.
The main downsides are that windows is a bit bloated and that thing where they opt you into seeding other people’s updates
No. 589742
>>589549>>589569If you're fine with what you have, don't need anything new, just want a web browser machine, then there's no reason to change. That goes with about anything. I wanted to avoid bashing windows since the last version I used was Windows 7 and most of what I didn't like about Windows was a matter of trust.
- I didn't like the amount of telemetry on Windows 10, which people say they can flip back off through some script bound to get deprecated in later versions, but the idea is that by using Windows 10 the user click-wrap agrees to having data collected about them (and I don't agree).
- Any claim about anything Windows does or doesn't behind the scenes isn't verifiable because it's source code is not available and can not be audited.
- Whenever, I used Windows I constantly hovered with the borderline paranoia that I have some kind of rootkit or keylogger on my system because of the way file permissions work and how much malware targets Windows systems. It's not that I download hotrussianpron.wmv.exe, but old video games, random old fixes, torrents eventually crosses the sketchy territory.
- For circumstances I don't even remember anymore, I had to avoid or rollback certain updates for some reason, which I don't encounter this issue on Linux's ecosystem. One of them was definitely the stealth-install of Windows 10 back when it was free, and not even if I was paid to use it, would I use Windows 10 for my computers.
- At some point on Windows, I had to use nssm (non-sucking service manager) for a server. Overall, the server administration experience felt like something put together using tape. The similar things I did on Linux was way more coherent (and yes, I knew about Powershell).
I might come up with more later on.
No. 589745
>>589543Fuck off, powershell is still shit.
>>589024Void linux isn't bloated and runs quick. Add all the other linux pros and there is literally no reason for me to be a winblows shill. I'm not a child that depends on videogames or fancy proprietary applications. People are used to dealing with annoying windows bugs/issues but in my opinion linux issues are easier to solve once you understand things.
No. 589858
>>589745There’s a bunch of good reversing stuff that’s windows. Most of the stuff you’re reversing is on Windows. If you do game dev you might as well just stay on Windows.
Anyway aside from that, I don’t get why people think it’s messed up to pay for software. Open source is great, but it’s not evil that people want to get paid for the work
I’ve lowkey started to think that most hardcore Linux only spergs are typical edgelords who think they have the big brain because they learned how to type (aka copy paste) in terminal to download things