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I agree with some of her points, to be honest.
It's not like Elliott is the only depressed sperg to ever get psychotic or murderous over not having a girlfriend.
What's your deal, OP?
>>411>She's actually making it seem like Elliot wasn't as responsible for his actions because our culture taught him to be this way.
In a way, it did. People seem to miss that he didn't really want a girlfriend, he wanted the popularity that came with having a girlfriend and having sex. His entire personality was shaped around being "the best" because he was a narcissistic aspie. That's partly why he very specifically wanted a blond, physically attractive one and not some shy plain bookworm girl. He thought things worked on a completely heirarichal level and disregarded being a decent human being. Since he was already rich and not ugly, it made him mad that he couldn't achieve this one thing. He didn't consider the women he wanted real humans, just trophies.
The sad part is that this isn't even new or isolated to himself. You'll see plenty of men think this way if you look at the forums he used to post on or read some of the comments on articles about him. It largely is a societal thing (at least IMO).
You're right about the fact that he'd probably murder for some other reason even if he did have a girlfriend, though. >>412
They had everything to do with gender, anon. He specifically meant to go a sorority house and shoot a bunch of girls, it was in his "manifesto" bold and clear.
He killed more men because he was a fuck-up who didn't plan things out properly and had no idea what he was doing, just that it sounded good.
Instead of getting to his destination, he flaked out and decided to open fire in public and shoot at random, killing some men and two women he probably wouldn't even have wanted a relationship with. In a way, it's almost disgraceful.
Yes, but the shooting itself was based on killing women, not men. He made no mention of shooting men at all. Are you really going to try to deny that?
I agree he was a psycho who hated anyone doing better than him, but in the context of relationships most of his vitriol was aimed at women for not sleeping with him in the first place.
>>419> He made no mention of shooting men at all.
This is so untrue.
The very first person he wanted to kill was his half-brother, to upset his step mom that he hated.
Did you actually read it or are you just cherrypicking details to dodge the truth?
He wanted to do that and talked about how he wished he hadn't "saved" him as a child, but he specifically wanted to shoot women when actually planning to kill. Really m8
He killed his little brother so he wouldn't SURPASS him as he grew older, as he was already accomplishing things Elliot never did at his age.
He also DID want to kill men, He made it pretty obvious he despised women most but he also hated any men that were having sex.
He said in his manifesto he would kill anyone who even LOOKED that they would have had sex (read; attractive people he assumed would have done it).
Are you retarded, or?
Yeah, he killed men, and wanted to kill men. But he did so on the basis of them associating with women more than he did. Get your head out of your ass. I hate Laci Green as much as anyone else, but this is clear as day.
>>654>But he did so on the basis of them associating with women more than he did
That's exactly what I said in my comment.>he also hated any men that were having sex.
BECAUSE elliot wanted sex but couldn't get any.
I didn't add that because that bit was already 'clear as day'
Yes. If you bring up the fact he was mentally ill all you get is >DON'T SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO HARM PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE NOT ALL MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT
Which may be true, but I think it's safe to say that people willing to go on a shooting spree can never really be called "Sane"
>>686>I think people should be allowed to make a distinction between harmless mentally ill people and mentally ill people with a history of bitterness
Or just not to paint all, or any, mentally ill people with the same brush.
Obviously the overwhelming majority of people with asperger's aren't anything remotely close to this guy. I don't think people should blame asperger's or NPD or even really a combination of them, or any specific disorder, and instead blame this particular guy's concoction of carefully crafted mental issues since he was born.
He suffered from a serious personality disorder, which could be called a particularly severe case of NPD worsened by asperger's, and a lack of empathy and ability to blend in with society, though it's impossible to just assign a few labels to a broad personality disorder. When you're dealing with someone clearly so pathologic, you can't reasonably make assumptions about the causes of their actions that fall in line with what other people might do.
That's why I think Laci is wrong to blame his thoughts or his actions on an overly masculine society. I think it's no better than saying that Columbine happened because the 2 guys played Counter Strike and Doom a lot and were influenced by it.
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And the majority of who Breivik killed were white.
>>775>looking to youtube comments to make general statements about society
If you look at the Youtube comments for lots of huge videos, you'll find hundreds of comments saying Hitler was right, the Holocaust never happened, slavery should be re-instated, etc.
The people in those comments who are being serious and also misogynistic (which is about 5 of them; some of those comments are clearly trolls) are very fucked up, but again, you can't extrapolate about society based on that.
Why so edgy?
This woman isn't even a lolcow imo.