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Due to popular request, here's a thread for both older and newer cows from indie bands including indie punk rock, alternative rock, grunge and so on, who do stupid things but don't deserve their separate threads. That refers to singers and musicians with unhealthy need of attention, claiming to be "punk" and independent despite being ex models or actors and coming from priviledged backgrounds, guilty of using nepotism to further their careers, reworking old genres, copying older bands or characterized by rude and nonsensical behaviour. Examples of indie cows or cows in the making:
Dani Miller of Surfbort >"Punk" singer but incidentally a face of Gucci Beauty campain >Appropriates white trash lifestyle, glorifies kitsch >Copycats anything from 70's and 80's>Spends most of her time partying with LA elites, taking indentical photos showing teeth gaps on instagram and posing as make up/fashion guru on tiktok>Plays in a band with crusty, hairy old men and basically turned as crusty and hairy as them
Sabrina Fuentes of Pretty Sick>A shitty Breeders ripoff "riot grrrl" vocalist and bassist>Most likely from rich central NY upbringing>Appeared in iPhone commercials, model for Comme De Garcon, Calvin Klein and basically anything else despite looking far from model size fitting>Posts selfies kept in annoying y2k Myspace mall goth styling and tries to look sexy but ends up looking grotesque
Heather Baron Gracie of Pale Waves>A "goth" singer that looks like a mix of Siouxie Sioux, Alice Glass and alternate reality Robert Smith dressing strictly at Hot Topic, but actually plays watery pop music ripping off Avril Lavigne and Michelle Branch. >All of their songs have the same sound and melody>No one knows where they came from, they got an Interscope deal cause they were shilled hard by 1975 and Matthew Healy>The chick used to upload Taylor Swift covers before mall goth upgrade
Skating Polly>A shitty Babes In Toyland ripoff band with a vocalist simultaneously trying to rip off Kat Bjelland and Exene Cervenka >They had support of a lot of old musicians when they started>Friends with Starcrawler which speaks for itself
Clementine Creevy of Cherry Glazer>LA child and daughter of a novelist and tv producer Nicholas Wootton>Acted in tv series and modelled for Yves Saint Laurent before deciding to try rock'n'roll lifestyle
Staz Lindes of The Paranoyds >Daughter of Hal Lindes of Dire Straits fame and model Mary Lowett>A fashion model and face of Yves Saint Laurent and variety of magazines. >Grace McKagan, a "punk rocker" daughter of Duff McKagan.>Emily Haines of Metric, annoying matron always in need of attention.
they were never "indie" but their first album counted as "alt"
that band is dull af though, it's the kind of rock music people are talking about when they say (ugh)"white nonsense"
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Not sure if OT, but I always feel so annoyed how dorian has always been grouped in with the likes of machine girl or other interesting producers. Bitch was well off and decided to do some shit hyperpop, now just whores on onlyfans. From what I've heard it's just her taped up boobs or some shit that she charges 25 a month for. Picrel is her amazon wishlist which is full of shitty y2k shirts, amazon underwear, and trash maid dresses
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Man I don't have much information on this shitshow because I was late for the train but Burger Records had to close down because literally all of their bands were sex pests.
Joey Armstrong, son of the Green Day frontman, was the most high profile one and he was accused of grooming Lydia Night of The Regrettes, another wannabe riot grrrl trust fund baby band.
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Lydia herself is a faux punk, she exclusively hangs out with famous celebrities like Olivia Rodrigo and is styled as an egirl only during shows outside of that she's just an average white girl, yet touted as the "modern face of feminist punk", yeah that's on her Wikipedia page, first paragraph.
Joey isn't that interesting because his only claim to fame is being Billy Joe's son, that's what got his mid-tier garage rock band SWMRS on the front door of the indie diy scene.
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imo it's easier and more interesting to talk about Lydia because as milky and disgusting the Burger Records cows are they already got their comeuppance, those guys are now broke drug addicts who were once C list celebrities.
On a non sexual abuse milk it seems like The Frights and SWMRS are even more assholes than just sex pests, there were rumors of them having a huge falling out with FIDLAR during their tour together due the members pressuring Zac of FIDLAR to do drugs again after finally being sober for a while.
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There was a Google doc circulating last year of pretty much every allegation, picrel is the first half. Here’s a link to the full list https://docs.google.com/document/d/13p7gJHGMzEWhtVquQ6PvNmkp43BbfKvkkRw_vxicptk/mobilebasic
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Had to Google Dani Miller and holy shit. she is showing off her nasty teeth in every single pic. Talk about larping poverty badly - people who cant afford dental care learn to never even smile because of the shame
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not really tea/and not that i blame her, but apparently lydia’s parents knew about the underage relationship the whole time and she deliberately worded her post to make it seem like they didn’t. she’s a cow, but seeing that trust-fund scrote get his comeuppance and having everyone turn against him was so satisfying. such an entitled, rapey, asshole. he got married during the pandemic to some other obscenely rich girl.
also, lydia is/was known as a starfucker & social climber within that scene, most of it happening when she was underage. where the fuck was this girl’s parents??
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anyone follow cj harvey? she’s adjacent to the scene and takes photos/tour manages/is close personal friends with all these bands. also fucking someone from the nude party kek
Dani will be wrinkling bad from snarling and showing teeth kek.
Damn if punk is now for the rich, then what workingclass plays? Rap? rock is no longer coming from outsiders, i can't think of a single example
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the last time i can recall rock having guys from working class backgrounds was grunge, kurt cobain and layne staley both were even homeless for a time. rap is all about making those fat stacks of cash and showing it off.
Personally i dont care if the person is rich if the music is good, i really liked the voids which is julian casblancas second band. but i wouldnt be surprised if jules was a poonhound
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I just had a thought, does Kim Gordon qualify as one? I read her autobiography and cringed halfway through, it's a book full of milk itself. It's all just *~i'm so artistic~* bullshit with VERY generous namedropping of all the famous and artistic people she knew, slept or worked with, shitting on Courtney Love (not without a reason i guess, but she just sounded jealous of the fame Courtney got more than anything). And she made countless chapters on her and Thurston's drama, listing each detail and writing everything he said, including descriptions of their marriage therapies and texts he sent to the woman he cheated on her with. Don't get me wrong, Thurston is a cheater bitch cow himself, but Kim's tell all story of cheated bitter woman was tragically stupid. She's so pompous and "more art than anyone else", even if she wrote a couple of good tunes. Plus she tried to make her daughter famous too, Coco had some shit band herself but idk if they still play. She didn't make career to my knowledge though, she just pretends to be alt influencer-social warrior online but i don't know why would anyone follow her cause she does nothing interesting besides being Coco Moore Gordon lol. Last time i remember Kim put her in her music video but that's about it.
Kim's another LA child from affluent academic family but at least she never pretended to be poor punk rocker (although she had poorer periods when she started living on her own), she even wrote she deliberately chose a bit different clothes and didn't hide she was old enough to be into artsy hippie shit rather than punk, i'll give her that
If Kim Gordon had been Kim Gordon in the age of social media she'd definitely have been one.
Courtney Love would have been an e girl.
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lmao Pale Waves aren't goth anymore, someone dressed them in Avril Lavigne clothes and try so hard to make them look "punk". They even have their own Evan Taubenfeld copy, my sides>>1279868
haha yes, so true
My fav ones were when she went to Cannes cause she "starred" in that one Kurt Cobain movie about his last days before death, a drama not normal documentary i think (i haven't ever watched it). She played "empathetic record industry representative" (which means she probably appeared for like a minute or less) and she wrote "I've always knew i had natural predispositions for being a good actress" or something lolol
Yeah apparently Courtney "manipulated her" into producing that album with her "sociopathic" great manipulation skills (a letter with Hello Kitty toy attatched) lol. Also gotta love how Kim slammed her for plastic surgery of a nose. She had to mention Courtney had an univen scar on her nose during sessions. Or "One time Courtney told me: You probably didn't know, but I had a nose job. I thought to myself: "Probably a lot more than one". Some parts were so kekworthy that i can recite them from memory
I think this is a problem with Sonic Youth as a band (I mean: Thurstom and Kim). They are extremely pretentious and think of themselves as the "fathers" of the 90s alternative rock generation just because they have been around since the early 80s. Lee Ranaldo seems to be the nicest guy in the band, and the least pedantic.
What annoyed me the most about this book was that she basically wanted to quote everything that she thought would make her story interesting, because basically she had nothing to talk about. She starts talking about Courtney and Kurt out of nowhere, and before that she tells her that her brother almost joined the Manson Family, also out of nowhere. These are just attempts to make her narrative interesting, she spends more time telling other people's stories than spends telling her own story.
The entire book is written almost like a spiteful revenge where she wanted to expose the shit that Thurstom did to her, which I can't complain as I think he's much worse than her. But she's an annoying bitch and thinks she's better than everyone.
This. Tbh most of the time i can't stand that band for their attitude, they have a few better tunes but imo their albums are mostly underwhelming. Idk even the noisier ones feel polished and clear and Kim's "etheral talking" voice is fucking boring. 90's bands treated them as the coolest thing and i totally don't get why. Both Thurston and Kim act as if they basically started it all for grunge and whatnot. Bitch no. The ones who paved way for grunge/alt were Husker Du, Pixies, Mission of Burma with a hardcore mix of Black Flag and 70's punk bands + maybe a couple of cringe metal bands that grunge musicians listened to in deep middle school. Original grunge was effect of boredom and punk/metal mix of influences (i don't count Bush, Stone Temple Pilots, Silverchair and other shit in cause they're direct commercial aftermath of Nirvana, Mudhoney, Melvins and other stuff Sub Pop. Alice in Chains and Soundgarden always sounded more metal than grunge to me.) I don't undermine Sonic Youth's unfortunate influence but they were never so important to pose as some godfathers of everything.
As for the book she always oddly posed as a victim
of everything, if she didn't pose as coolest better than you most artsy girl in the world for a change. Her revenge shtick is apparent even in first chapter. it must read even worse for someone who doesn't know Sonic Youth. she constantly repeated she has some sexual fantasies of two guys crossing their guitars over her and revel in male energy or something and idk if something got lost in translation or what but i couldn't understand what she meant, it sounds idiotic.
Could anyone have guessed Kim Gordon's memoir would be this much of a trainwreck? I haven't read it but it moved up the queue.
I thought her solo album from a few years ago was incredibly disappointing.
The Cobain But Vague film was Last Days by Gus Van Sant. Kim had slightly more screentime in that than Asia Argento did as the Courtney But Don't Sue Pls, which is to say she was onscreen for like two minutes. Most of the film was Michael Pitt staring off into space with a slack jaw.
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Another performance from Voina (I have no information on whether Nadya took part in this one) where they caught stray cats and hurled them over the counter of a McDonalds because, idk why to be honest.
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So does anyone have more info on Sabrina? i can't even tell if she's famous or not, i feel like she just pretends to be while nobody cares, except she's friends with semi popular insta flakes like internetgirl, Joanna Kuchta etc? she claims to be partying in (probably expensive) clubs and she's also a face of high profile fashion things. sorry but how someone looking like her can be a semi successful model? i don't even mean her body, she might have been thin once and gained weight in quarantine or gorges beer in London bars, i mean her face. She looks like a 12 year old kid watching among us streams. i'm honestly puzzled, look nobody wants Arrow de wilde for serious modeling (for obvious reasons lol) but Sabrina somehow thrives as a model? she was born in uppear east side NY, how rich must her parents be
she was skinnier back when she was runway model aged
ot but arrow would be a serviceable model if she was just 6' and not 6'3". she could still get some shit/bill-paying tier work i did z-list catalogue+hair stuff when i was her age and it's a few hundred extra bucks a month even for the shittiest models like me
and i really wish she'd do that instead of being mommy's puppet playing garbage music
Currently The 1975 are in hot water after ignoring grooming allegations against a (supposedly former) friend and photographer Adam Powell. They’ve only released one single instagram post ‘statement’ about everything, yet their manager has been straight-up messaging the victims
of the allegations for further info instead of recruiting someone more qualified to look into things. Many of the victims
are underage or were when Powell was going for them.
There have also been rumours of more info (including accusations against 3 out of the 4 band members) to be released publicly if they don’t start addressing it properly, but to me that just sounds like a weird taunt, and using vulnerable people’s private information no less. Don’t know what to believe on that front but I do believe the initial Powell business.>>1279341>>1279412
HBG (and the other girl in PW, idk her name) went to the same uni as my friend and he says that as soon as they started getting attention they acted like they were too good for everyone. Started cutting off long term friendships (like with friends of my friend) and favoured anyone who could get them further instead. I’ve never really liked them but somehow hearing that didn’t surprise me.>>1279535
Yungblud’s forced weird Yorkshire/Northern accent makes him even more punchable. He definitely tries to play up to the working class punk image but he clearly has had the money to come from nowhere all of a sudden, so I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. I think there was also something about him working with a noncey guy even after being told repeatedly about the guy’s background.
kek what a surprise. you mean the PW's sorrow eyed sad goth drummer? her name's something pretentious like Clara or Kiara. did your friend say anything more on them? what did they study? i wonder how the hell did they get on interscope/in touch with 1975. ngl Heather looks like snobby, self-obsessed clout chaser who pretends to be "shy, sad and no confidence queen uwu" but actually is a mean girl.
at least they're so much more popular among zoomers than boomers, unlike starcrawler. i think they buy bots though
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Yungblud is such a cringe. i don't get how can journalists or music fans treat him seriously, he's like the worst cosplay of punk. people he hangs out with are equal cows: Halsey, Mod Sun, Machine Gun Kelly. it's so pathetic, these two are 30 year old ex soundclout rappers who suddenly decided they're punk. they both are kekworthy posers with the same aesthetic of a neon yellow green pink high schooler, listening to My Chemical Romance on his iPod with a fresh anarchy sticker on top, sitting in a yellow schoolbus on his assigned "loser" seat, on his way to random california high, waving his red Converse-covered feet in the air. They even made some shit film set in high school. i've seen people say MGK is cringe cause he's got some puffy rock saviour complex and it's so spot on lol
Just asked for more info. They went to BIMM and were in the third year when my friend knew them. He said they were definitely the bitchy type; laughing with you one day and whispering about you the next. He partied with them, went to clubs etc. and his mate was the original guitarist. He wrote ‘The Tide’, got no credit for it, they dropped him as soon as they started getting popular off that song. They apparently got posted to a lot of popular music blogs and all across tumblr, then Dirty Hit (The 1975’s label) picked them up but shelved them for the longest time.
Matt Healy then said to them he’d produce one of their songs - think it was The Tide - and from then on HBG started getting touted as the female Matt Healy, went on tour with them even though they were shit live, played Madison Square Gardens with The 1975 as their first proper gig, did that NME cover and all that. Being ‘the female version of Matt Healy’ is definitely not the compliment she thought it was kek
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o wow, thank you for all that info anon! this sucks, that's way worse than i thought. what fucking false bitches. and fuck they switch images every single time to see what sticks. this is from 2015 tv performance of the tide and kek she looks like hippie Amy Lee. they all dressed hippie
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From Wikipedia; friend’s friend was one of the bassists listed here. Also linked two of the blogs they were on when they were still with the original two bassists, back when they were up and coming and just starting to inflate their egos kekhttps://www.getintothis.co.uk/2015/08/introducing-pale-waves/https://www.fadedglamour.co.uk/2015/02/surfacing-pale-waves-new-band.html>>1282298
Dunno much about pre 2014 HBG as they were in third year when my friend had just started (bassist friends were in second year). Looks like from the pics that she still had a number of tattoos back then though.
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lol there's even earlier stuff. this is from her 2011 youtube channel
this. of course it's people's individual case what age they get into whatever kind of music but still. i've read her say this year that she's had enough of 80's synth goth thing and she's happy with Avril and Taylor inspired music cause "that's where her heart's truly at" so i guess they did just use goth look to get recognizable.
I remember they had a music video entirely ripped from Placebo's Teenage Angst. all these bands dress as old bands or make same videos and people eat it up
Well ok, maybe not entirely
ripped but music director sure had Teenage Angst in mind. shiny red box, red clothes, her hair + even holding a paper with words scribbled in marker at some point.
russia is such a sad place. all those women shouldn't have to have sex with such uglybags of men.
PS she's 19 in that photo
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This is Dani Miller's boyfriend. she just posted they have 1 year anniversary. i'm at loss of words, how old is this man? their house looks like dirty ruin, they won't ever clean up, not even when they have guests or family coming, and they keep two dogs in that trash. is this girl truly born white trash or another cosplayer, cause of all these cows she takes it to the worst level. i mean how can you be so obsessed to base each detail of your life on that poverty kitch aesthetic
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Samefag, adding random photo of the house but sure there are worse ones. Much of this are ironically Gucci bags and expensive make up products (which she probably gets for free from Gucci) among trash and boxes, arranged to resemble ruined house mess lol.
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I have milk on Yoni Wolf, creative genius responsible for WHY? (sic.)
yoni wolf is the frontman of the band WHY?, a band that put out one (1) critically acclaimed record 13 years ago, Alopecia. Yoni has put out ~6 records since then in an attempt to create something that will reach anywhere near the level of (in my opinion unwarranted) critical acclaim he received for alopecia, with little success. He threw an absolute temper tantrum on twitter when pitchfork gave him a 5.3 for his 2019 album AOKOHIO— a review he claimed to have stumbled upon by chance because “someone was talking about it on twitter” (likely story… see image).
anyway, the lyrics in alopecia themselves are enough to prove that yoni is an absolute pervert. here are some lines from his most popular song “good friday”:
-sucking dick for drink tickets at my cousins bat mitzvah
-blowing kisses to disinterested bitches
-sending sexy SMSs to my ex’s new man cuz I can
-eating pussy for new fans
-feels exciting touching your handwriting, Getting horny by reading it and repeating ‘poor me’
-jerking off in an art museum john til my dick hurts
-I wake up hungover on a hardwood floor from a dream about your dress, hangs off of your little breasts
in the summer of 2015, yoni “discovered” a band of teenage girls called the Ophelias who were performing a show at a neighborhood of july festival in cincinnati. all girls were minors in high school at the time. a few months later (not sure how long after), he started dating the bassist of the band who turned had recently turned 18 (at the time he was about 38 years old). she makes her first appearance as his unambiguous gf on Instagram in June of 2017, when she was about 19 years old, but she appears in group pictures before then.
the band got signed to the same label yoni is on, joyful noise recordings, and yoni produced their second LP called “Almost,” which just sounds exactly like his albums with kind of a ripoff jack antonoff feel. despite the fact that he hardly performed anything on the record (he’s credited as playing “percussion”), he has royalty credits on the album. he talks about the process of producing the record in an interview and says it was hard for him to work collaboratively with the band since he’s used to having his say creatively. Quote: “the band was used to a certain thing that they had done, and they sort of struggled to accept a whole new look and feel.”
since producing the Ophelias record he’s courted a few other younger bands such as Lala Lala (a terribly boring band whose front woman is an ex-alcoholic in her mid-20s who looks like she should be in her late 30s— and no she’s not trans) in a desperate attempt to stay relevant to the youth, since the weird cult following he has is composed mainly of tall dreadlocked white men and creepy post-occupy Wall Street-aesthetic grime hippies on the millennial/gen X cusp.
but back to the fact that he essentially groomed a minor and started dating her shortly after she came of age… she’s featured heavily in aokohio and it’s disgusting. the music video includes clips of her eating pizza and the lyrics of one of the songs is “After I say I'll fuck you in the bathroom / Of the pizza by slice place / It's not fair for me to ask / What kinda wife you might make / Forbidding you to smoke / Like the fascist butt of a joke / That is poor practice for opening / The heart to a possible start / Right?” there’s also a scene in the video where a random woman gives birth. forbidding gf from smoking + this scene = he wants to impregnate his young gf. bad idea since he’s 40 so his child is going to be so fucking autistic.
the music video as a whole is a retrospective of his life as a 40 year old man going through a midlife crisis. there’s a weird scene where yoni is CGI-ed into an old man who is then shown in a hospital bed connected to an IV watching home videos of his gf when she was in her 20s. the video also includes home videos of his gf when she was a child— he was in his 20s at the time.
yoni and his gf have since broken up (fairly recently— he posted a pic of her on ig in March of this year), but they dated for a good 4 or 5 years, and she moved in with him about a year in. he has Crohn’s disease so the poor girl has spent years of her life as a nurse wiping shit off his ass.
AOKOHIO visual album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pLGXbRs5dw
yoni ig: https://www.instagram.com/yoniwolf/?hl=en
yoni twt: https://twitter.com/YoniWolf?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
yoni statement on ophelias: https://www.joyfulnoiserecordings.com/products/the-ophelias-creature-native
yoni interview on the ophelias: https://ultradogme.com/2018/09/13/yoni-wolf/
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i know theyre not indie but the my chemical romance milk goes DEEP bro
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Any milk on Phoebe Bridgers? why is she everywhere all of a sudden lately? she's like thousand others same-voiced indie girls >>1284997
i only heard one of them quit his wife to date teenage or young adult fan, if i'm not mistaking, and Gerard's wife is some sort of cow herself and was mentioned in Jessica Addams thread i believe
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Her entire relationship with Conor is so nasty to me. How shameless do you have to be to be so open about how you were obsessed with your boyfriend while you were a child and he was married? Imagine becoming a celebrity and posting your old Lolcow posts you made of your bf. She’s a fan girl trapped in a famous musicians body
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Wait, phoebe was a farmer? Or did I read that wrong?
But anyway, I've always found her milky and pickme-ish, especially in the way she claims to be bisexual while exclusively dating old indie dudes and baiting them in by larping as Elliott Smith. Picrel really rubbed me the wrong way, this is some straight girl nonsense
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wait what, this is how this guy looks now, omg. he's 41. i don't know this band, i expected him to be more like her age, in his 30s or something. now this makes that post look even worse
woah, haven't heard about Why? in years and honestly not surprised. the blog rock p4k hyped bands era seems filled with grimey dudes. Anyone else got milk on any adjacent bands from that scene?
also does anyone remember teen suicide? the lead singer sam is quite a character
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I mean I get it, I was a lonely teen too and the first three Bright Eyes records are really good. But I didn't post shit like this while in a relationship with Conor Oberst either
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someone MeToo’d Conor Oberst before #MeToo was even a thing, and Phoebe has already MeToo’d Ryan Adams and Marilyn Manson so yeah, only a matter of time
also how/why was she hanging out at Manson’s house as a teenager? how’s she meeting all these dudes?
i mean having crush on idols is ok but not posting such things when you're in relationship with them 20 years later? dating your teenage idol is weird in general… and stuff she posts, the cringe. it's like she dates him only cause she's in love with how he looked like in his 20's and she tries to look for those remnants of his younger self >>1285045
lol, she probably will. she also said some on Marilyn Manson. not that it was a bad thing cause it was most likely true, but how much more old industry men she knew as some random "indie" singer (and it was couple years ago before her big fame)
yeah i remember his rape allegations, iirc they were quickly proven to be some crazy fan making shit up right?
also phoebe was allegedly dating paul mescal (of normal people tv show fame) after. seems like she's moving on from indie clout to mainstream
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Here you go, titty museum pic if you havent found it yet.
Sam and his wife kitty are such personal cows to me, just whiny pieces of shit with huge victim
complexes where Sam never did anything wrong. Kitty’s just fucking annoying tho but I do love her 2013 tumblr raps tho(learn2sage)
NTA, but yeah it was a crazy fan and he I’m pretty sure he sued her.
I loved Conor Oberst when I was in high school. She’s definitely trying to relate him to how he looked then. He did age kinda shitty, though. She seems kinda different from the women I remember him dating.(Winona Ryder and Jenny Lewis) Oh well, I met him a few times and he was always super friendly and not a sex pest so I hope he’s happy.
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>>1285055>also phoebe was allegedly dating paul mescal (of normal people tv show fame) after
This was the strangest pandemic plot twist, but it really seems like dating is overstating what happened. Whatever happened lasted like 12 days before they both moved on.
I don't get the Phoebe Bridgers hype either, but i'm also biased because all I'm reminded of when I see her is when she was in Sloppy Jane so I just associate her negatively in my brain with Haley from that band who is a massively cringe edgelord and has been forever. her like 24/7 performance art cRazYyY female GG Allin shtick is so obviously a facade and reminds me a lot of the Surfbort Dani girl's shtick. she was just a smelly grimy Burger Girl back when I knew of her, kind of relieved that Sloppy Jane faded into obscurity (plus I think they were friends with or associated with Globelamp, who I'm shocked doesn't have her own thread because that girl has a decade's worth of cow behavior, she's legit the azealia banks of the indie scene). current day phoebe's music is really bland so I never paid attention and I had no idea she's actually dated Conor Oberst. would have never guessed she of all people would get this much mainstream success>>1285044
I used to be mutuals with Kitty back in the prime tumblr days so again i'm biased because i idolized her in high school so she doesn't bug me much, but i never liked Teen Suicide and last time i paid attention to Sam he was constantly posting obnoxious shit on twitter and starting drama with other nothing-bands over who was the most problematic
. I had no idea Yoni from Why? was so sus but as far as other related bands go I used to know Avi Buffalo, who was dropped from Sub Pop last year for several (violent, disgusting, depraved) rape allegations from his exes and an ex band member. He was quickly run off the face of the earth after being canceled online and irl (very Hot Sugar reminiscent) but it still makes my skin crawl that he's out there somewhere, truly a menace to society. this happened while all those Burger/ Lollipop/ LA/OC allegations came out last summer, so seeing all these people i knew of outed as predators really soured me against that music scene and I'm glad they got theirs, and also that I'm far the fuck away from it now. I have friends who were abused/ groomed/ preyed on by Part Time, the Growlers, Audacity, the Frights… it's so scummy.
Obviously shit like that is deeper than "milk" or gossip, but the less harmful cows in this scene are still intriguing to keep up with especially when you know who they actually are or used to be as people. avalon lurks is boring and not milky, just kinda untalented/ coasting on looks, but I've heard her family's rich and i know she went to the same school as the shears twins from The Garden and (i think???) was friends with Mel from the Aquadolls, who i'm also surprised hasn't been mentioned because to me she's the most obvious tryhard in the scene and always has been super behind/ uninspired with trends (i remember when she was still seapunk years after that died out), her tiktoks are god awful. she's more of a personal cow i guess, no major milk other than being called out by another girl for some problematic
behavior (idr what it was exactly, general bitchiness and being complicit?) when that girl had rape allegations against another former aquadolls band member, during the Burger thing last year.
also would LOVE any and all recent tea on Globelamp, I haven't kept up in a while but she's fascinating to me. somehow she never gets called out or canceled enough to stop doing the absolutely unhinged insane shit that she does.>>1285546
I think it might have been in either rock star celebricows or the Toopoor thread? whichever one started talking about Hot Sugar. idr thinking that any of them were self-posts though
Ugh yeah, I read about the suicide as well, it's heavily implied that a lot of it was because of him. Never knew him very well but i felt terrible that i'd been "duped" by the way he presents himself in social circles, plus I wasn't a fan so I had no idea what his writing style was other than that one big hit they had. He's literally a manlet irl, I'm taller than him and if I could go back in time I'd absolutely fuck his shit up, I can take him>>1285799
I actually had no idea that sonic youth were assholes or cows whatsoever until I saw this video a while ago. so uncomfortable to watch
i would love to fight every inclination of yours. you could probably benefit from actually listening to her music and prose rather than doing the basic subtraction of "duhhhhh….girl, acoustic guitar, willowy voice!!!! BEEN DUN." i hope you read that in your own voice.
you have no idea the proximity to celebrity you're afforded by going to LACHSA, or most arts-driven schools and communities in LA. that's massively anecdotally correct, without fucking someone.
and on instagram? my point stands that WHAT ARE YOU DOING judging a person, now part mainstream entity (per her commercial success), from their BRAND PAGE? or what does beth from high school have to accurately say about you from your civilian profile? if you care this much, go watch an interview. i hope this was relevant to you.(whiteknighting)
>>1286031>girl, acoustic guitar, willowy voice!!!! BEEN DUN
ok but this is accurate and a valid
point. at least nutjobs like courtney love, annie clark, or lindsey way did somthing creative. girls like phoebe need to start tree planting initiatives to offset all the oxygen they use up singing their pointless songs
kek anons that's funny especially since someone asked if phoebe was a farmer. or maybe it's conor enjoying delicious, wholesome milk lol
probably it's just some lost phoebe stan, shocked that we judge someone by their instagram on lolcow but damn that post was weird.
I mean I'm only 5'6 but from what I can remember eye level wise he's gotta be 5'2 tops>>1286014
oh it was FUCKED up and the only reason he wasn't canceled earlier is probably because these girls were rightfully afraid to out him. if you have the stomach to read the three allegations (that i know of anyway) against him he has a lot of disturbing patterns, mainly anal rape/ enjoying his victims
' genuine distress/ major gaslighting to victims
and being a convincing liar to friends. i won't say much to reveal myself but i do know he had all his friends convinced that the first public callout post against him was fake and that the victim
, who wasn't even alive to defend themselves, was "crazy" and "obsessed".
here's the one that got him dropped from his label: https://pitchfork.com/news/avi-buffalo-accused-of-rape-by-former-bandmate-music-pulled-by-sub-pop/
>Coleman claimed that the day after the incident, she ran into Zahner-Isenberg, who allegedly grabbed her and said, “I know, I raped you and stuff, I’m sorry.”
honest to god a true psychopath and the closest i've ever been to what it must feel like meeting a serial killer.
ayrt, pretty gross stuff damn. did he have really rich parents? how did he build these habits and get away with it even for a couple years? his band was signed but had no industry power or even clout within the indie world, except amongst other people their age.
nvm maybe that was why, he was a 21 year old preying on other 21-and-unders?
Wow we can fuck him up if we wanted. >he had all his friends convinced that the first public callout post against him was fake
Omfg. He managed to make himself even fucking worse. It's already bad enough that he sexually assaulted and raped underage girls but to use your friends to discredit victims
? Wow. Why the fuck isn't he in jail? (I mean I guess I know the answer, but goddamn)>>1286308
I guess it's easier to manipulate younger, naive girls (ugh) than to actively woo someone your own age. No one takes teenage girls seriously so they're the "perfect" victim
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this is from the rs sub, I edited out their usernames cause didn't want anyone harassing anyone but I agree with this girl's take that Phoebe is a careerist freak
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also her music just sucks ass
kek i can't tell what kind of "proximity to celebrity" those schools give either. one thing's true: you need money to go to these art schools. it's usually well off or even celebrity parents who send their children there. these schools teach them various art things but no fucking way you can become a celebrity by going to LA art school. they let you in further to art universities etc. but not to stardom kek. what actually pushes these kids further are either rich/famous parents or famous friends. it's not like Manson let Phoebe in his house just cause she was fucking LACHSA graduate kek.
And notice these girls all have a pattern of trying modelling first. it pays of later cause these model magazines and big brands take care of them later as next It Girls. of course Phoebe now models for Gucci.
lol i look at it a bit differently: imagine being so desperately thirsty for fame that you waste time willingly dating washed up old men, why willingly doing it to yourself girl? btw i agree that "manic pixie dream girl" is what she goes for lol.
she's like what music industry tried to do with Arrow de Wilde 3 years ago (not look or sound wise ofc) but with Phoebe they actually succeeded.
I had never seen this video, thanks for sharing. It's really uncomfortable, I didn't know Nardwuar so I went to watch some other interviews to see if the behavior they had was something common among other artists at the time, but apparently everyone (from the interviews I saw) was quite polite, even though I have the impression that he was a bit of a brat, but I believe it was just the character.
It's embarrassing to see 40 year olds acting like they're teenagers rock stars, trying to act like "too cool for school". I don't know if anyone else had the impression I had watching The Year Punk Broke, but these guys are assholes. Thurston is simply insufferable. Absolutely everything he says is bullshit and seems very fake and performative. The only good parts of the documentary are the parts they don't show up.
Yeah he plays a character, puts this cap and clothes on, but personally he probably is this music nerd too, to some degree. i've seen Nardwuard's first interview ever video, in which he tried to interview some band that played at his school, he was such a kid either in junior high or high school at the time, everybody around would treat him like Sonic Youth here, school kids were laughing at him etc. And it was funny cause he was so young but pretty much the same as later. In this video he told Sonic Youth that "dirty boots" video was kitch or something but well he's not wrong lol. their videos are mostly so pretentious
I have the same opinion on SY in that documentary as you. they behaved like the biggest stars of the film/festival, who graciously let Nirvana or Babes in Toyland (or Courtney lol) appear for a few seconds and sit in their shadows to taste some glory. Or that moment when Nirvana plays Negative Creep and Thurston ofc must walk in and writhe with some beer bottle
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I did what "Phoebe" anon told me and read more of her interviews. discovered she loves to mention therapists and being absolutely sad girl, is friends with Billie Eilish "but we absolutely not plants uwu" and says disliking 1975 is "sexist". my god what a pick me.
She laughed at Ryan googling himself and fighting with fans who didn't like his shows or what but turns out Phoebe does the same, responds to obscure tweets saying industry plant or getting pissed cause Crosby called her pathetic lol
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>>1286459>emo prince paramour
i could believe it's her cause she likes to call Conor emo
oh christ not another annoying girl doing the fake ADHD bullshit again. go get fucking diagnosed then if you think you have it
also people hate the 1975 because they're boring pop cosplaying as a rock band it's not that deep
Sorry for the late reply and for probably blogging about this way too much but he definitely had patterns with the girls he targeted, not that this is any different from the horde of disgraced indie rock male predators but he always put himself in a position of power. always younger, usually in their teens, often young fans who looked up to him or girls who were insecure or going through hardships and more likely to rely on him. i noticed it when reading through all the allegations on twitter. the trans guy who committed suicide was a teen fan who was homeless and mentally ill and idolized him, he convinced them to spend all the money they had just to be with him. the girl who was his ex gf was 19 and said she felt like she couldn't say anything to her mom who was dying of cancer at the time, and would only make things worse if she found out her daughter had been raped by her own boyfriend. in both cases he was a grown ass man in his mid-late 20's who literally laughed about all the pain he inflicted with no remorse.
also like a typical calculated predator he never exposed that side of himself to his social circle, it's like he could tell who he could get away with abusing and who not to fuck with. he wasn't a creep to all his female friends and was friends with a lot of female musicians, which is maybe why they were duped into buying that his first allegation was a lie. even I thought he was just this like andy kaufman-esque harmless funny dude from how he presented in person. it's a terrible feeling to be proven wrong about someone and feel like you were on the wrong "side" unintentionally, i don't envy anyone who was close to him.
it's been almost exactly a year and i haven't heard any news about him or any of the other abusive
band dudes who got exposed, all I can think of off the top of my head is johnny love's victims
are suing him, and one of the Burger Records owners tried and failed to rebrand and relaunch at the exact same location under a new name. most everyone else like Avi and Billy Joel Armstrong's kid and Davida Loca got to just deactivate their socials, run and hide, and escape the blame without any major repercussions. it's just so fucked and it feels like it was all performative now that no one really cares anymore.
"Wealth and nepotism has always informed music"
True, and that's why so many mediocre artists gets shilled so hard. Name-dropping the fucking Strokes does not help her case for the system producing good music lmao.
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>"If we'd lived anywhere else, we'd have been very solidly middle class," Bridgers told the New Yorker in 2015. “But in Pasadena all my friends’ parents were directors or actors."
(that's a public info so i think it's alright to post)
In article about her parents, Phoebe says her mother was a receptionist and currently started doing standup. When you google Jamie Bridgers, you can see info she's real estate agent and she used to work in music industry and public relations, while her father worked for television. idk about us but in Europe these are not jobs of poor people.
>"As for The Lemonheads, I don’t buy the myth that suffering makes better art, but it’s a known fact that smoking crack at least makes you a more interesting"
kek he would know lol. after sam got clean, he really amped up on his preachiness on social media. either that or he just got louder and annoying enough for me to actively notice.
as for will toledo, i know it's well known he's a furry but there's also probably a lot of milk from the early CSHR days on tumblr.
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I always hear that will toledo is a furry but I never see any actual receipts of it aside from noticing that every single music stan on twitter that happens to be a furry or otherkin with a cartoon wolf avi has carseat headrest as their favorite band lol
I think sam wrote that bitter article with kitty seething over his shoulder the whole time because will wrote a diss track called "kitty pryde" making fun of her in her prime way back in 2013. imagine your world being so small that you hold a grudge over a furry that makes boring twee music for that long. and then marrying a dude who looks EXACTLY THE SAME
Lmao, the worst part is that there's actually girls who gush over these manchildren. >>1286868
Not her patting herself on the back for being the 50th artist to smash a guitar. Nothing punk rock about a traditionally attractive rich girl singing inoffensive, uninspired indie music. Then again, 'punk' hasn't meant much of anything other than cheap corporatized "rebellion" since the 90s, so Phoebe might as well be 'punk.'
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yeah it's widely known that will toledo wrote twin fantasy about his ex, cate wurtz aka party dog.iirc cate was still a guy when they were dating LDR but troonedx out midway. She has a furry comic that's pretty popular and she does all the dog artwork for the early CSHR albums. cant find the links but apparently she and will had a huge diaper fetish apart from the furry shit and it was a toxic
relationship which resulted in twin fantasy.
pic is her fursona which is "some kind of "girrafosaurus" kek
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On one of his albums, he thanks Cate Wurtz and 4lung, infamous diaper furry that even fellow furries hate. No way he isn’t a furry, and one who is especially connected to a certain subculture at that. Cate Wurtz drew a ton of diaper furry art and it’s very easy to find on Google.
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This girl's career confuses me. Idk if she's indie (i think?) i know she's instagram etheral monster nonbinary being nonsense e-girl, but since she plays bullshit metal music too… Jazmin Bean. She's a daughter of Angie Adams from quite forgotten British female punk band from the 90's, Fluffy. they have cosmetic brand together. I don't get why Jazmin gets such milions on her youtube videos, why is she so popular? Bonus: she's bff with Melanie Martinez
(also i tried to pick most normal photo of her, not the ugly black eyed clown magic marker-painted face)
well that's what i wondered about cause Fluffy didn't even succeed. the signer Amanda made a new band around 1999 and took part in contest Bands on the run on VH1 but they didn't win, and after that they totally flopped. These bands were mostly a flop comercially. i mean they all disappeared long ago, nobody buys their cds for years, they're all second hand on ebay etc. I was pretty sure these girls are forced to do basic men work now. i guess Angie got more business savy…
Damn of course Jazmin bandages her breasts and plans to cut them off, to feel more like "genderless monster"… what did i just read.
warpaint are plants, it's shannon sossamon and her sister and their LA connections i think.
st. vincent just has weird rage issues/is super possessive and jealous when she has a girlfriend, and some peope are still mad that she pretended to be straight for a while in the early-mid 00s
one of my genuine biggest gripes with st vincent for basically breaking up sleater-kinney with janet weiss leaving. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/arts/music/sleater-kinney-st-vincent.html
some recent milk if you're familiar with the concept of her latest album (her dad returning from prison for some multi-million dollar white collar crime) but she demanded some relatively harmless interview to be pulled after the fact and just generally gave snarky and increasingly annoyed answers when asked about her dad, the literal inspiration for the concept of her entire album. ofc this was a huge controversy for a hot second on music twitter and other journalists replied saying she's been generally cold and bitchy during interviews even though it's just standard press for album rollouts.
the journalist ended up still posting the entire transcript of the interview on her substack:https://discourseblog.com/st-vincent-interview-emma-madden/
chill out anon, i thought she's more on the indie scene and then turned bigger. but she probably had insta fame before music. let's just concentrate on st vincent & others now.>>1289031
for a time she was really overrated in the media, and yeah she does emanate some sort of coldness
Yes, and as much as I want to dish I can't even list every single band/ artist/ person that i have milk on because it would absolutely out me if not narrow me down and being outed for being a gossip on lolcow is too mortifying of a risk for me to take. i've been enjoying this thread too though, and it's good to know who I was right about and also who to stay away from (big yikes at all that SWMRS/ avi buffalo/ yoni news)
I guess i could safely say some really vague stuff? tons of examples I can recall that prove that globelamp is batshit, but I mean, big shocker. the Hey Violet girls are so milky to me and deserve their own thread, especially the Lovelis sisters but i feel like a lot of that drama is well-documented online from the old days when they were in that preteen prodigy band that i can't remember the name of rn. i know people who liked Ariel pink before he went all Capitol Riots, but personally i always found him either boring or punchable. Shamir, Speedy Ortiz, the Garden and Hana are all cool, shockingly Mac Demarco is also nice, I expected him to be more of a creep. Ezra Koenig was a DICK to my friend once but idk he seemed like he was maybe just high and having an off day. it's killing me that I can't spill anything that's actually remotely interesting (I have a few personal cows and some really insane fangirl stories) but I do love the existence of this thread, keep spilling anons
good idea tbh, I just might
also just remembered Hey Violet's old band name was Cherri Bomb
yeah please post some separately, i'm slowly running out of ideas of cows to mention >>1289313
i was surprised Phoebe is 26, she acts like this emo-crazed MCR fangirl who liked Megan Fox etc. very "how do you do fellow kids" towards gen z.
ezra kaoenig is just shitty to all women except the one he wants to fuck. he doesn't see women as people at all.
mac demarco is a nice guy, i did doors at one of his shows but i wish he'd fix his damn teeth and take better care of his skin. he looks like a st. catharines heroin addict
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She has the most punchable face and fat body, can someone stop telling her that she’s important and stop funding her “music”
I'm so annoyed rn because I can't seem to find a single trace of it anywhere, like it feels like all the old negative receipts have been completely wiped (or maybe i'm just not googling it corretly), but wasn't there some discourse a few years ago of Girlpool being big time rape apologists?? This was def back in like 2016 or 2017 but some dude in that whole diy music scene named Doug something was a good friends of theirs, he was accused of rape or abuse, and then he went missing and i think killed himself and they both were publicly mourning it, posting about it and defending him when it was (i think) common knowledge that he had been a creep. if anyone knows more about it feel free to add, i almost feel like i just imagined all of that happening at this point but i know i didn't because I remember that a mutual of mine was posting IG stories mourning the same dude around that time.>>1289557
yeah it's a shame that he gets grouped in with genuine actual scummy sex pests (some of whom I can confirm on a personal level deserved to be cancalled) for like…. getting drunk at a party ten years ago and filming his dumbass friend whip his dick out in front of minors that weren't supposed to be there??? like that's it? I'm never one to defend band dudes but he genuinely didn't do shit lol. to this day i've seen H3H3 fans and Garden fans reeeing in comment sections about how problematic
it is for Ethan Klein and the Shears twins to have the nerve to be friends with the guy, or anyone who's friends with him for that matter. it's not that deep
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Found on reddit, people commented if Ryan made her famous. Some are so accurate, especially one saying Phoebe believes her own hype… So she split with Ryan after such abuse but still casually went on tour with him?
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"Phoebe Bridgers says Eric Clapton makes extremely mediocre music" i keked hard. who does she think she is
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i don't get her timeline with Connor. She said she met him in 2017 and he said "let's start a band" but people say here he was still with his wife? then again peek the bottom comment, someone says 2016
what do you mean, what was she doing before? i mean i know she was a model but i thought her lame music was what she's been originally known for before>>1289753
quick question how is it these days at sub pop? decent label or hipster famewhore-ish like rough trade?
I think TS’s outrage is almost purely manufactured. PB seems unable to shut up. The outcome seems to be the same, however.
I hope this zoomer “emo/pop-punk” revival thing dies a quick death.
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Sabrina is a trust fund child. One of her parents is investment banker and CEO of execution management company, another senior marketing executive, vice president for communications and public affairs and ex director of sales marketing. CEOs/founders.
she was friends with Lilith Levisis, she had some photos of her back in her young years when she wasn't botched yet.
idk there's something very annoying with that girl.
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oh my time has come. peyton was a personal cow of mine and she had an extremely personal tumblr for only her mutuals. it was not password-protected for a bit
picrel is her sperging about — i think — will toledo maybe fucking his manager?
from what i gathered, she never actually dated him, she was just infatuated with him until she confessed irl and he might have? rejected her. it wasn’t clear. she would sperg and then delete posts and i couldn’t follow to put her on notifs.
all she does is flooding her y2k "lo-fi" selfies in large quantities, her videos are irritatingly "artsy" lo-fi too, and even her agency called "No Agency NY" seems like some attempt at punk posing. all she says about her upbringing is how she is "NY native who lived just a few blocks away from lower east side" but all info is easily found online. idk she's one of those ppl annoying for no reason>>1291374
another hugely overrated indie artist
It's not new info but Phoebe is one half of the backing vox (with Clairo) for one of Lorde's off-puttingly bad new songs as well.
What's even left on the fameseeker checklist? Mentor slot on The Voice?>Hi guys, you might know me from skeleton onesies
so she was dating Conor and then casually had a few dates with Paul Meskal just cause she thinks he's cute? i'm starting to think she did this just to feed the rumours and keep her name aroundhttps://goss.ie/showbiz/paul-mescal-fuels-rumours-hes-dating-singer-phoebe-bridgers-242629
Tbh her "arrival" in mainstream media was just talking about Ryan/suddenly appearing in Saturday Night Live, nobody knew about her unless someone sits deep in indie underworld and watches every new thing. i give her 2-3 years before media get bored of her and she gets replaced with next nepotism child like Violet Grohl or something
Speaking of Lorde and how bad her new songs are, anyone know what’s the deal with Jack Antonoff producing the samesy music for these pop girls?
I loved him in steel train and fun. but when he started bleachers/started producing these big names I really do think there has to be something up. I’m pretty sure there were a bunch of rumours during Lorde’s melodrama days that since she was staying over at his apartment/studio, he cheated on Lena Dunham (loll) with her. I just think his trajectory from indie darling to in-demand pop producer definitely means there has to be some stories about him esp since he’s not gay
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>>1292160>esp since he’s not gay
Not so fast, anon…
I remember the Lorde rumors too. There was a whole lot of unfriending between Dunham and Lorde's social media accounts back then, and it's probably a reason why Lorde pushes the "just a private unfamous kiwi" image now.
Jack A's music is stretched extremely thin right now. I kind of hope there will be a breaking point soon because I'm tired of his sound but who knows.
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Recently Dani is best friends with Arrow i see. wonder to what extent is her story true, if she's privately as friendly as she says, or is she just a big social climber.
btw some of her song titles are idiotic like "condom with no cum", or recent one "White claw enema bong hit" (yeah, for real).
More info: Surfbort was signed by Julian Casablancas, he put them on his records label. Dani thinks "Jared Leto is god" and went to gucci party carrying around Jared's realistic doll head model
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Possibly ot, but is chloesev really a member? Cant find anything on Twitter or Google, but Cedric is obviously pretty informed about them.
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I'm curious if you heard of this band. This is Olivia Osby of Lowertown, her insta is wormsheriff. wonder if they're trust fund babies too, allowed to just tour the states as a hobby. overall they appear to be pretty tame and normal but gotta say Olivia is definitely a social media addict. she posts everyday, and each post is like 10 selfies from same angle. sometimes asked "how am i looking? i know i'm so ugly" and waited til ppl tell her she's pretty, seeking validation daily etc. they're from Atlanta/NY and Sabrina follows so i wonder if they're well linked. this band puzzles me, i thought it's quite niche/underexposed compared to Pale Waves and or other bands alike, i stumbled upon it by pure accident. and yet she has 248k followers? how?
sageing because of massive sperging but without giving too much away (plus the fact that I swear to god I remember it being a brief "thing" maybe a year ago?) ezra from vw is (possibly) a total piece of shit, likes 16/17/18s a lot and for whatever reason is pretty impenetrable, also his whole saga with being rashida jones' baby daddy is just weird lol. i know a lot of people who've sadly had to be around that guy.
will +1 stuff about yoni being a major creep, some people who i've heard things about are sufjan stevens (poly, apparently cagey about his sexuality irl as well but most likely bi), homeshake and brockhampton are also def worthy of some closer looks.
this is just my feeling but will toledo and steve lacy seem like gay industry climbers for sure, maybe will fucked up though bc at least i haven't heard shit about CSH for a while now. i'm also pretty personally suspiscious of jamie stewart from xiu xiu, this guy's brand has morphed into like "kill all cops, kill all rapists" etc. but man covered under pressure with michael gira from swans, hangs around with a lot of pieces of shit, etc.
idk about all of the ppl you mentioned but i remember there was something about the swans, i think Kim Gordon toured with them and wrote some gossip on them in her book but i'd have to check
anyway he was apparently accused of rape by Larkin Grimm. on the other hand i've seen people claim Larkin had a history of falsely accusing colleagues of sexual abuse. i don't know what finally came out of thathttps://www.spin.com/2016/02/michae-gira-swans-accused-rape-larkin-grimm/
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Btw if i may suggest something, curious if there's milk on Florence Welch. she's this elegant classy PJ Harvey tier styled typical Met gala goer indie rocker but she also prances around to Calvin Harris typical modern club beat, oddly trying hard to be sexy in that music video. idk i found that so cringe for some reason, wonder if she's some pretentious drama queen
yeah, that was such a weird mix though, i was surprised to see her suddenly on tv playing pop music videos… i remember past 2010 Florence was main woman in rock music business next to st vincent, paramore and warpaint.
Does Alice Glass/crystal castles count or is it soundclout spheres? they were on small labels first if i'm correct
Please expand on yoni being a creep. I want more
t. Someone who also thinks yoni is a creep
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i think it's good for her that she's fine with her body. she has small tits compared to body mass, she could get implants but i totally understand if she doesn't want to. what i don't like about her however is that she very often exaggerates it all, it feels very in your face in a bad meaning (too much, too often). like, yeah we get you have holes in your teeth dani, you don't have to show us you like it in every photo. yeah, we see you don't shave, it's not some postmodern savage courageous art, plenty of girls don't. Hollywood took her in and embraced immediately cause she's that type of "exotic" that they love, egirl take on white trash, very derivative and cosplay. she's a bit too old to play this tiktok star for zoomers but they probably swallow it up, since she identifies as "queer as fuck nonbinary".
Surfbort's newest single is called White Claw Enema Bong Hit (not making this up lol)>>1301246
lol, so my impression of Florence was correct. it's so hard to find some indie girls that aren't pretentious snowflakes
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yeah i get that you probably meant her her overall body. i mentioned boobs cause i lowkey wondered if bigger ones would make her look a bit more "feminine" for the lack of better world, but idk. the problem is lack of waist. doesn't matter, women have different body types etc. Btw she would look nice in dresses like this
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I feel like Phoebe Bridgers might be biggest and most promising cow of this thread, one to watch for future dramas/tantrums. she lies about her past and manipulates all dirt she has on her exes accordingly so that it drops at the right time and get her more attention. she creates this image of super-relatable girl next-door but at the same time so hot egirl and "so true emo goth girl 2edgy4you" and will throw childish twitter tantrums if someone calls her cringe. i wish she had some old tumblr or something, it could have potential lulzy stuff. she once lowkey went viral on some photo on reddit before her fame, which she boasted about later
Also her skeleton onesies are random and boring, why do i feel like she got that idea after watching eternal sunshine of a spotless mind
Ezra was really nice in his Columbia days. Funny guy, very charming, not much of a player. Had a steady girlfriend for awhile (maybe 2005-2006 but I don’t remember how long they were together I didn’t know him like freshman/ sophomore year) Graduated 2006 (lol I think their first ever show was the Engineering school’s battle of the bands while he was a senior, they did a lot of gigs around campus and for Greek life at first- Saint As I know lol I was there, maybe Nachems and Sachems too but I don’t remember) got the teaching job, did more and bigger gigs on the weekend, traveled more, became a bigger NYC personality. He started being a bit of a dick especially to women around 2007.
They were just getting so much attention buzz and press. Totally organically at first, A-Punk practically went viral on its own (lol MySpace days) and they got a New York Times piece summer of 2007 that plugged their EP (huge deal on campus) while they were on their first national tour (they went from occasional gigs 2006 in NYC Williamsburg and colleges to like constant touring then promo 2007) all with no manager at the time but then they got good people fast, iirc their PR person around that time (Sonya — not their PR anymore) handles like all communications for beggars group which is 4AD/ matador/ XL/ rough trade. I remember there were girls going to dirty projectors shows just to see vampire weekend. They had a ton of major label offers that summer, Richard Russell adored them and they went with XL hence the good PR. Also all but two of the songs from the debut were already recorded and on their MySpace, so it was canned and ready to go basically. Richard was like well let’s strike while the iron is hot and just roll with this inertia, record the two demos proper, and slate a January debut release. Iirc two labels offered more money but they trusted Russell because he lets artists do what they want and he had the contacts (set them up with all their video directors like Garth Jennings who did a punk, cape cod, Oxford coma, cousins, really put them on the map and got crazy MTV and VH1 air. I’m good friends with Alexis who directed their video for Mansard Roof, he was just a guy around town at the time. Stayed close with ezra for awhile cause VW played their wedding but they don’t keep in touch anymore. The band got trashed at that reception lmao.) They only owned XL three records though and moved to Columbia because 1. More money 2. Their new contract has soft time constraints ie expect the 4-6 years for new VW records to continue lol.
Just an aside but I know when they were thinking about renewal and sending early demos Russell was not a fan of the ~jam band~ direction and didn’t think it was a great move, I think he was right but jokes on him I guess cause Ezra gave Columbia a Grammy lol. So back to their debut— I don’t know if anyone remembers this but Mansard Roof actually premiered on Letterman early 2008, I think it was their first TV gig. Huge couple of months for them, XL just sold that debut record so hard, they started getting so many late night slots then an SNL gig. Fan girl era.
Anyway so yeah 2007 Ezra just got way more into himself, stopped seeing the girl he was right before tour. Slept around A LOT later half of 2007. Young girls too, wild none of it ever came out also he was only 23 so not a big deal but lmao. Got really into his dry witty preppy guy Twitter persona. Became sort of a social climber and got a big who. Rostam pretty much left because after Modern Vampires Ezra 1. Got obscenely into the greatful dead lmao 2. made it clear what the next record was going to be and Rostams songs and general talent outside of production wouldn’t hold much weight. I don’t think they’re on bad terms now just reached a point where their visions weren’t compatible in a band setting.
He’s cheated on Rashida but IMO he really loves her and they have some sort of understanding or arrangement going on. I will say this: his crew love him. He’s good to the people on his payroll and most guys in general who were hanging around in Silverlake/ LA 2017-2018 during Father of the Bride sessions have nothing but good things to say about him. I think he treats service people well, good tipper. Always been friendly to me but we’re not like close or anything lol.
So I don’t think he’s an severe asshole, just a bit flighty, stubborn, “male manipulator” type in relationships, intentionally obtuse, and a dork at heart who got famous young and let it go to his head. Chris Tomson though is a total sweetheart. I find Baio annoying and lame lol but he’s also a nice guy.
i am but i'm not very good. only got 1 guy with any top 10 records.
i think it's cause i'm more of a drug-slinger than a hot slut though. oh well. i'll just get high enough to feel better about being ugly
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Any milk on diiv? Their sound, image and backstory always struck me as super manufactured and the lead singer's relationship with Sky Ferreira seemed similarly fake/for the press
YYYOOOO you win the thread. i am jealous, only ever got with male musicians. the singer from dilly dally bought me a shot once but after i said i lived in a dorm she wandered off
are you scared jen will come and beat you up kek
anon pls tell us, Phoebe and Arrow are biggest cows of new girl-fronted bands. fuck what she thinks, and even if she reads here, she will never admit to it>>1309777
found them by accident, pinterest or else. they're very poorly advertised and youtube won't suggest them. and yet the girl has so much fans? weird
yeah, i'm guessing she first became popular as an influencer/ig model and THEN started the band, which might explain the huge follower count. They're signed to a label now, and if I recall correctly, it's the same one as beabadoobee and the 1975.
Unrelated, but does anyone else see the resemblance between her and the lead singer of Pale Waves? Something about their bone structure is vaguely similar, and they're signed to the same label kek.
i see resemblance. they're like sisters in some pics.
have we discussed bebadoobie yet? is she another ex-model turned rockstar?
Phoebe was a model too, she has some old clothes model photos on her old tumblr (phoebebridgers.tumblr.com)
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idk. i mean Phoebe was some rockshop catalog not Vogue/YSL runway model but still. you can view more of her modelling photos here:https://web.archive.org/web/20131110073519/https://phoebebridgers.tumblr.com/
kekkkk so true its the goofiest stage name of all time. >>1310755
speaking of matt, i'm pretty sure the 1975 produced her last EP, and i remember her opening for them at a few shows, they were pushing her super hard for a while.
kek anon. it's literally better to go by most boring birth name and surname than that beadabootie shit.
I changed mind on Lowertown, Olivia's not a cow at all compared to Phoebe or Lydia Night, she's just a typical zoomer with the selfies flood. ofc i don't know much about them but she seems to have nice friendship with that guy and they seem very humble compared to other bands here. Lydia of Regrettes feels like a regular self-obsessed LA party girl/influencer who doesn't even care much for punk music, but she panders to that niche strategically cause all female band sells well as "riot grrrl" revival. she went to school with/hangs out with Olivia Rodrigo all the time, in another timeline she would probably be a Disney starlet.
Btw Dani posted an IG video in which she's clipping her feet nails with a clipper pre-show but i'll spare you the view lol.
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what the hell anon, i bless you with that great joke and you threaten me with dani toenail videos? rude
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oops i meant to write stuff about lydia and dani later as general and not as direct reply to you anon. your jokes about Bamboodobie are greatly appreciated. please accept my apology anon, i was deeply shocked by what i saw
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Maybe it's nitpicking but anyone else rolled eyes a litte at Phoebe's recent saviour record label boss larping? she only recently got popular but she behaves like someone gracious and influential enough to become Andy Warhol of her own "sad" record factory. of course she "signs" mediocre emo kid doing guitar covers on youtube, ofc a part of bullshit zoomer "pop punk" trend (literally listening to billie eilish, paramore and avril as "punk legends"). judging by her "label" insta, she invites anyone looking emo/pop punk/genderfluid enough, or anyone stanning her hard enough) to "work" for her. honestly these kids look underage or at least still pretty young and naive, and idk what exactly are they doing besides posting photos of their rooms, cause they surely have no experience as any kind of
record label worker… i'm really curious what's the conditions of that Scruffpuppy deal, like what percentage of money he'd make will go to Phoebe. looks like a scam tbh.
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ZHEANI seems pretty nuts, has strong schizo or BPD vibes, a very entertaining follow.
> tried to cancel Oli Sykes (Bring Me the Horizon) and Die Antwoord
> dates an ugly, unwashed moid (Mik Shida)
> starts online beef with industry plant daine
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Any new milk girls? This one's old, i know but Phoebe… she simultaneously tries to be etheral sad indie girl, MCR scene emo, and then also absolute dream goth girlfriend, e-girl, serious songwriter, boss bitch persona leading a revolutionary record label, and of course relatable stoner queen! pic rel, hitting the bong with a tortured frown for her music video then going "420 right guys 420" and starting a contest to recreate that video… "We invite you to get stoned" lol. i know it's just weed but boasting about doing drugs for the video "for the art" is so cringy.
IIRC the bassist, Devin Perez, used to say sexist/homophobic/etc stuff on 4chan and it was an issue in 2014. The singer, Cole Smith, was particularly pissed about it and after much deliberation, Perez was officially gone in 2019… But that's kind of it.
I really expected them to pretty weird and douchey, as most musician dudes similar to them are, but they're normal people.
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I’m sure the singer of HAIM (whose father is a Beverly Hills Israeli) got this PTA lead role on her own acting merits, right?
I like Florence but yeah her last album was boring. >>1303132>>1327074
God I hope something comes out about Phoebe. I first heard her sing on SNL and thought she was fucking boring.
Damn that sucks that she borrows and doesn't give back. I mean look she's a highly popular rock artist and has plenty of money, instead of borrowing she could spend 5 minutes ordering stuff she wants online. I gotta say i'm not surprised she's kind of a "diva", she always frequents these "elitesque" Gucci fashion shit parties etc. i can't explain but she had that odd vibe to me.
Since she's somewhat close aesthetically, anything on Chelsea Wolfe?>>1279209
Seconded, where did Kemp Muhl come from? she's some instagram model pretending to be musician, right
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Anons what do you think of Veruca Salt? i always felt they're pretty average, or OK but nothing special, a band that couldn't decide if they want to play grunge, melodic punk or "metallic" goth (pic related, i like the video but it's very obviously Marilyn Manson influenced). "Seether" song was just stupid and irritating. They disappeared somewhere in the 90's, I wonder if they were milky especially the second brunette singer who had some ex drama with Dave Grohl i think.
They're still better than Garbage and Shirley Manson though. They have Butch Vig, a real producer on board and yet can't write good songs. at least not anymore.
Veruca Salt always struck me as "also rans". Don't know how they got picked up, they were never interesting enough to gain traction and never ever have I met anyone whose favorite band was VS. You put them on a girl band mix tape to flesh it out, that's about it. Genuinely surprised to read their formation story on Wikipedia because I definitely pegged them as having been an industry band that was created in an attempt to capitalize on riot grrl (to which they are forever, inexplicably, tangentially linked)>>1337036
They're not all younger; Katherine Waterston was almost 40 when rumors of their affair started swirling
Oldfag here, fan of Veruca Salt in the 90s, and yeah, they were full of drama. It's why the song Seether exists, supposedly it's about Louise and her temper.
And they were never really able to pin down a style because Nina and Louise clashed with their songwriting styles. Nina is way more pop (she wrote both of the big singles, Seether and Volcano Girls) and Louise's songs are darker and heavier.
In my opinion, only their first album is truly great and successful in balancing their differing styles, even if it's kinda unfinished because they were rushed to get an album out after Seether was a hit single. Their second album is okay, but I preferred the unpolished sound of the first one more. It fits their immature lyrics better.
Also, personal storytime: I saw them play live in the 90s when somebody threw a t-shirt at the stage that landed on Louise and she had a full-on shit fit, stopped the song, screamed at the guy for like 10 minutes, and demanded that security throw him out or she wouldn't keep playing. Never seen anything like that before or after, and I've been to a lot of rowdy shows.>>1337061
They got picked because they managed to luck out opening for Weezer in 94 when those guys were first getting noticed. Labels were eager to sign almost any alternative band back then, and this one had the gimmick of being fronted by two women.
You're spot on, they're so unremarkable. On the surface, everything seems good and their music wins with the current likes of Chery Glazer or Starcrawler or other Phoebes, but it's "correct" at most and oddly forgettable. Like they reunited in 2012 and even had a new record in 2015, but who really knows or cares? i'm just reading their wikipedia now>>1337063
Hahaha that's so lame! Stopping show and having a screaming fit for minutes, reminds me of Melanie Martinez antics. Actually that makes me want to dig deeper for some old info, maybe there's more ancient milk on Louise.
I can only add that Dave Grohl dated Louise Post and they have some unreleased duo and i think Everlong was written about her.
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Louise also announced onstage in 1997 that Dave Grohl cheated on her with Winona Ryder. and sang about it in a song.
Nina left the band in 00's and Louise reportedly made a whole album with angry songs about her and when they reunited, they made a whole album about their past infighting. lol
Also probably quite wealthy parents:
>For all her screaming vocals, she sounds a bit fragile. She talks about the break-ups as being "a journey", but consults her psychotherapist dad when "it's all out of control".
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Phoebe Bridgers is being sued for defamation…
Well, finally some Phoebe drama. I completely missed these allegations, should we ask maybe: who hasn't been accused of something by Phoebe Bridgers? i lost track on all the men she accused of something. not to say it would be surprising cause well, such things are nothing uncommon in music industry, but i have a feeling Phoebe's been calling people out left and right as it suits her righteous "brave" social warrior persona… interesting how this plays out. 3 million is a lot. How do you think she makes?
Wait, so it's true that Phoebe dates girls
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Samefag but something got to me, the timeline of that Phoebe threesome was 2018. Wasn't Phoebe with Connor Oberst in 2018 or earlier?https://rocknyc.live/conor-oberst-and-phoebe-bridgers-more-than-a-friendship.html
Yeah but i didn't know about that, thought she just said bi but only dated guys. Apparently after that guy she had another threesome with that Emily and Conor.
This case is weird though, allegedly Emily accused that guy of murdering some Mexican guy something… so she knows this and reports to IG and not police? whatever.
Honestly, i think they're all shady LA people who all either did some shady things for fame or used others who were starved for fame. the guy obviously used the situation as Phoebe likes to date people she works with while these women knew what they were doing too. they'll prob settle as you said.
Was reading more about it and apparently Phoebe did not say this independently, she reposted stories from Emily. I'm curious if that changes things legally. Obviously i'm not a lawyer but i'm also curious if Phoebe could say she was mislead by Emily? This guy also sued Emily at the end of last year, not sure if anything's happened with that >>1337456
Who else has she said something about other than Ryan Adams and Marilyn Manson? They're both notoriously shitty people & abusers so it doesn't seem so far fetched that she's telling the truth there imo
I believe her in Ryan Adams and MM case, they had bad reputation and people whispered about such possibilites of abuse for years, and a lot of women came out against them. Idk who else she came out against. could've sworn there was at least one more guy but maybe i'm wrong.
I read Phoebe actually talked Emily into posting that on IG in the first place. they know each other since school years or something. idk if there were any abuse allegations against that guy before. Ryan won't sue back cause he's guilty. Nelson would have to show probably that since IG stories his finances dropped significantly or something. how would Nelson prove that things Phoebe & Emily said were lies? (the murder accusation could be proven or disproven if the identity of the allegedly killed was given.) who knows what is true, nobody was there and so it's impossible to take sides imo. it's just interesting how this plays out.
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Reddit. Which of course i cannot guarantee is a reliable source, it's just memories of people who read about it a few years back. nothing can be verified now cause Emily deleted her IG account.
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jk actually not that many I was just blinded by this kek
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said gift was a rare guitar
Interestingly there are no screenshots of her allegedly defamatory posts on Instagram, only descriptions
>In or around October 2020, defendant Bridgers published false and misleading
statements about Plaintiff on her public Instagram account, “@_fake_nudes,” stating: “I witnessed
and can personally verify much of the abuse (grooming, stealing, violence) perpetuated by Chris
Nelson, owner of a studio called Sound Space….”>Defendant Bridgers intentionally directed the public to Bannon’s public Instagram
account by publishing a post stating, “For anyone who knows [Plaintiff], is considering working with
him, or wants to know more, there is an articulate and mind blowing account on @emilybannon’s
page as a highlight. TRIGGER WARNING
for basically everything triggering
"The false and misleading statements about Plaintiff on the Instagram “@emilybannon”
included:>Plaintiff “beat a young Latinx man to death after provoking him with a racial
slur”;>Plaintiff “killed the young man”;>Plaintiff “bludgeoned at least one other man with a baseball bat … and left him
to bleed out in an alleyway”; >Plaintiff committed racially-motivated hate crimes, including “intentionally
rear-end drivers of color and then challenging them to call the police, knowing that his white
privilege would protect him from any consequences whatsoever but expose his victims
prohibitive level of risk (of deportation, incarceration, or brutality) by forcing them to interact with
cops”;>Plaintiff “defrauded [a] neighbor out of an estimated $100,000-$130,000”; >Plaintiff “forging [the neighbor’s] signature and then stealing $50,000 from”
the neighbor; >Plaintiff “robbed [a] storage unit of an estimated tens of thousands of dollars of
belongings”; >Plaintiff sells stolen gear and “manufactures fake ‘rare’ guitars to defraud
collectors and museums … and uses all manners of devious engineering to trick unwitting … buyers
into paying a premium for modified junk”; and >Plaintiff “was hacking [defendant Bannon] and other women’s email
idk why he would even fake these, and I don't necessarily think they're fake, but these texts look so weird? several parts of the text are warped including the time stamp of his first text. and it looks like the word "epicenter" has been edited in, it's a different font even? maybe it's several screenshots stitched together?>>1338924
it's detailed in the suit >>1338890>Plaintiff is informed and believes that defendant Bridgers had a prior sexual relationship with Bannon. Shortly after Plaintiff’s relationship with Bannon began, it was revealed that defendant Bridgers, Bannon, and Bridgers’ boyfriend at the time Conor Oberst were having a relationship. Based upon information and believe, this relationship occurred while Bannon was in a relationship with defendant Bridgers’ drummer, Harrison Whitford, who was unaware of the relationship between Bannon and defendant Bridgers.
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i honestly don't even know why he would fake those texts but it looks weird
maybe i'm just going insane
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Nta but she has musician father who had his own band and studio, but idk who that is and how famous he is. maybe it's someone important in the producer scene? i only know Chelsea hangs out with LA cow people like Arrow and Gilbert. we'd have to do a bit more info digging to tell>>1338941
it looks weird and edited, entire photos are very blurry, as if someone viewed them on computer and took a mobile phone photo from the screen. idk, if it's edited then it will be confirmed as such by the right people.
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>going full psycho
Lil Bo Tweak vibes lol
is it even possible to get addicted to whippets? if so then kek, of all the other substances
yes, this is what i meant, impossible to get addicted physically. and it lasts short.
the guy did whipits too? i thought they're talking about Emily Bannon>>1338923
yeah, aside from Louise Post he also dated Jennifer Finch and Melissa Auf Der Maur. maybe they fell for his "nicest guy in rock" schtick lol
I guess that depends on your definition of what a plant is. I guess the prevailing definition would be someone who already has connections in the music or at least entertainment industry and uses that to jumpstart their career, or at least give it an artificial push beyond their actual ability
Angel Olsen and Japanese Breakfast both came from pretty humble beginnings and without any existing connections in the industry. Julien Baker doesn't seem to have any existing connections before releasing her debut, and whilst she was definitely something of a media darling in 2015/16 that was off the back of a genuinely good debut. Billy Strings comes from an absolutely shit background and probably has one of the greatest claims to getting where he is off the back of pure talent
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Dude men get so offended when they get accused of shit that could ruin their lives
What's so weird about him suing her if it turned out he was innocent of all those killings and such?
But honestly dude probably exaggerates as much as he can so he can get as much money out of this as he can, or does this as vendetta for private satisfaction. Emily and Phoebe exaggerate af too if not more, i have hard time believing this guy is guilty of all that they accused him of, cause it sounds ridiculous. after considering it all i think all parties lie. they're bitter exes and probably both playing dirty.
I wouldn't be surprised if he told his gf all of this shit in the first place to try to impress her kek
I mean logging into girls emails, selling fake shit, stealing I can believe to a certain degree but killing people I cannot. they all seem unstable
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Remember when this album was aggressively shilled and then they disappeared off the face of the Earth? Not suspicious at all
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Avi Buffalo rape allegations coming out (again). Screenshot from an ex band member Rebecca. His ex Jas also released allegations the same day. Lots of abuse stories going around the Long Beach music scene rn
>>1340019>She's always been a mess online
Hmm, can you tell more? you mean she had meltdowns or getting aggresive? maybe that's why she removed herself from socials to recover.
As for Sophie, she's got this 90's/00s teen comedy nostalgia kind of vibe (especially with vids like Circle The Drain) but does it better than most throwback bands cashing on Avril or Alanis, she has kind of interesting riffs/effects (they apparently used old studio flat disks with effects). first album was a bit too candy/naive but second is good, with songs grouped by "colors". she released album right before pandemic so she had a "virtual" streaming tour, "played" in Animal Crossing (official game so they promote her a lot) and Club Penguin Rewritten (unofficial game recreated by fans of original). i even attended one "concert" lol, found this idea sympathetic.
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>Ariel Pink is boring
>Also tweets this shit
Lol when will this pickme fall from grace. I think i know now why they flog her so much: Billie Eilish probably sent her letter of recommendations.
They both have families larping "we're from LA but so poor uwu"
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Anyone remembers ancient Inger Lorre of The Nymphs? it was absolutely shitty glam cross "early grunge" band, but in fact they remind me of those worst hair metal glam bands because of their shitty visuals. She's really most known for pissing at the desk of Geffen Records A&R guy. the reason why she did it was apparently she was done with Geffen telling her to fire her scrotes and go solo. she refused to do this, but there was no gift for such loyalty cause scrotes fired her instead a year later.
Another thing she's known of was beefing with Courtney Love. The voice message that's on Courtney's track "Sassy" is her: "You're so stupid I would have done anything for you honey, your reputation is shit in this town".
She had some solo record with Jeff Buckley as guest, but i can't believe anybody bought it. it allegedly had a song about Courtney Love and one called "Gibby Haynes is next", GH sings in Butthole Surfers, so random.
As for now seems nobody's interested in her, she has a Twitter where she's followed by 280 ppl and where she mostly begged to donate to her Gofundme, for a Nymphs world tour (she raised 1421$ before closing).
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Article on Inger with more info. on one hand i could undestand frustration with big labels, on the other how stupid was that, obviously they would spin this over to make her unhiged woman in press.
Btw guess she believes "Courtney killed Kurt" theories.
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Admittedly i got to know about them when they were long gone and I'm not from US, only ever learned it from the books on 90's or Nirvana. Compared to them, Veruca Salt made big career.
<More CL seething. i can believe that Courtney called and tried to befriend her first though, that's pretty much her thing.
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Idk if that helps anyhow in indie-pop-rock industry, but her father was a classical pianist/violinist and professor. So her family was wealthy/well off at the very least.
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One last excerpt on Inger and incident onstage. it's amusing how much cow potential she used to have but she got forgotten fast, prob cause she had forgettable image.
Speaking of 90's i wonder how honest were Lunachicks. Tbh they looked more like costume/parody band or poor man's L7. Recently I heard singer Theo Cogan is some makeup guru/makeup brand owner.
>>1343249>are only people living in the slums allowed to make music/get any fame?
Ayrt No, nobody said that. That's why i said "idk if that helps anyhow in the industry". Actually, now that we talk about it, i really doubt it. Theoretically for her to get shilled in the industry her father would have to be friends with whoever helped her with career or a seriously famous/respected musician in her country, but i don't think it's the case here. I only said that if anything, if her father was rich she could've used his money to push start career (but only if). Probably should've clarified it's just my own what ifs and say it better instead "rich at the very least", that doesn't even have to mean much.
I think it's cool that her father was accomplished classical musician. that is all.
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What's the beef between Amy Taylor and Miley Cyrus? for some reason people pit them against each other and allegedly Amy said some shit on Miley? if it turns out they have a fight over having same hairstyles and clothes it'll be ridiculous cause mullets are most unoriginal things currently and they both have rather unoriginal style which was based on pretty much same things, the Runaways + 70's/sporty clothes.
Probably a mixture of them being desperate to get their own Julien Baker & not being the label they once were, after Conor & everyone involved with him moved on.
Signing Big Thief was a good move, but even they've moved on already and their stuff with 4AD is better than Masterpiece or Capacity. The best move they've made in the last couple of years was getting Spirit of the Beehive(sage )
>>1344516https://www.gigwise.com/features/3402840/amyl-the-sniffers-ready-for-round-two>In November 2020, UK-based feminist punk band Dream Wife took to Instagram to post comparisons between their music video for ‘So When You Gonna…’ and Miley Cyrus’ music video for her track ‘Prisoner’ feat. Dua Lipa. It was clear how similar the visuals were, with Amy leaving a comment on the post saying “Omg lowkey highkey somebody stop miley”. >“I wanna preface this by saying I think she has ripped us off. She has a whole kinda thing like ‘what’s trendy? What’s going on?’ but also I acknowledge that I am hugely influenced by ‘70s rock females which Miley is kind of stating that she’s influenced by. So there’s definitely been a crossover, but I also believe that it would in some way loop back to us and Dream Wife and lots of other female fronted bands in the scene” she explains. “I actually think Miley Cyrus’ music is dope and I want to support women. I’m not the police, but it’s frustrating because we all work so hard and don’t make that much money, and people will assume we’re copying that era of Miley Cyrus but we’re just doing our thing that we’ve always done.”>Amy reflects on this further: “Obviously it’s a team of people, her career is based on staying relevant and being on the edgy side of pop and doing the rebellious thing. She’s a performer and is acting like an edgy rock chick. But it’s like, you ain’t shit, you have a mansion. Be yourself. It would actually be really beneficial if stylistically or personally it was a copy of Dream Wife/me, it would mean so much if she actually shared it like ‘hey, there’s a bunch of bands I really like that I’ve been really influenced by’. But then I kind of remind myself, like, there’s a huge chance you have nothing to do with this and you’re making an arsehole of yourself. If I’m honest, it just makes me laugh to pick a fight with her” she laughs.
I kinda get her point, but I'm glad she's not seriously mad. I think she's too chill for this shit.
Ah so she actually was really chill and rational about this, so there's really no drama. refreshing >>1345270
Yeah she seems ok from afar too. i thought she's kinda tryhard at first and couldn't tell how she really is but i guess that's just her way of being: kinda hyper energetic and "hanging with the guys" in the show pit. her music is actually listenable. the only thing that confuses me is her friendship with Dani, though seems Dani wants to be besties with Arrow now.
Dani is much bigger cow than it seems on the surface level, especially after taking a look at her tiktok. she's a 27yo sitting and making dozens of tiktoks all day and still milking her Gucci exposure, i mean it's getting harder for her to hide how she's in it for fame and money and LA circle parties primarily.
Wooow I just found this thread through Google. I don't know shit about Phoebe Bridgers other than peripherally seeing her name floated around in indie sad girl rock discourse and avoiding it.
I was in a few classes at nyu with Emily Bannon. This would have been around 2013-2014 or so. It's crazy to see her name appear again but in this context
We were never close but she was part of the same general group of friends. She was always a bit scuzzy and unwashed, she definitely did a fair amount of drugs (poppers, coke, weed, whatever), it was common in the scene so nothing stands out there.
I remember she wasn't a very good student and would be basically clueless when the teacher asked her questions about readings/assignments
Also Maggie Rogers was also in the scene around this time. I remember being at a party once and she took out a banjo lol, half of the group was fawning and half thought it was awkward as fuck.
Most of Maggie's earlier music videos are cast with girls from the group (yes I see you)
Anways this thread triggered
some memories of hanging out with trust fund, upper middle, or elite class daughters who want to be famous in New York. Wouldn't exactly recommend
Wow thanks for the info anon. What do you think of this whole case? I mean this whole thing also kind of requiers to know at least a bit also on Phoebe (which we posted about in this thread before) but still. Btw think it's funny how you listed Emily doing the whole variety of drugs but then in court documents the guy listed she allegedly "went to rehab for whippits" lol.>hanging out with trust fund, upper middle, or elite class daughters who want to be famous in New York
Any known/famous ones? anyone made it in the scene?
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Australian anon who's friends with Amy Taylor, maybe you could tell us more on the origin of this Australian fake-rock baddie? All i found is that she's from Auckland but moved to LA to make acting/singer career (ofc) and she has 140k followers after a short while for doing absolutely nothing, but she already spoke on the impact of Nirvana on her music in their anniversary edition of Spin. More, one of her first IG posts is Rolling Stone announcing her single.
Last but not the least, she got "famous" for trolling the internet that she got a huge face tattoo of Harry Styles, only to reveal it was a joke (wow). from the article: >What I love about him from a professional standpoint is that he was the poppiest of pop stars, and then he went off on his own and made a classic rock album. For someone like me who wants to live in that world who hasn’t been in a boy band, he has opened the door for me.>"He’s introduced the kids to the kind of music I want to make. For that, I’m really grateful. I also just want his career. I feel like I’m a female version. I actually moved to America to act, and music became my main thing. Rock ‘n’ roll is my passion. I really want to work with him. Let’s work, Harry. Where you at? Mark my words: I’m getting a song on his album." https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a26063985/kelsy-karter-harry-styles-face-tattoo/https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/jg88wg/luna-li-music-interview-alone-but-not-lonely
Who's that plant? she's not even trying to hide how contrived she is
Yeah sorry, it appears that girl isn't from indie scene but rather some rich girl/plant who started out immediately from the big place and never played shows before? i think so at least. just asked cause i thought maybe she was someone like Arrow in your local scene, like maybe you heard of her from local media trying to push her as rock/punk and joked about it casually or something, not that i thought you would hang out with this girl. i expected you wouldn't know her as personal friend.
I wouldn't be surprised if this girl never performed a single show in Australia and went straight to LA to get a contract. Aaand as i predicted, she's a total industry plant not even indie plant. she has a record on BMG
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Samefag, major labels will make so much money on pop punk now, more of people like that will be pushed. The Kelsey chick stands out a lot because how immediate it all was (and good deal of her followers must be bought). what's interesting to me is how carefully they craft her social media appearance, from edgy angsty captions, egirl style and hair to obligatory mentions of depression and struggle and Megan Fox larping.
Good, i like it. That's how it's supposed to be. and guess i gotta give some credit to Amyl and the sniffers now after you described it how it is!
Wow that sucks, what Jethro did, good that you gave him no asspats just for having famous parent. Nick Cave (which i'm a fan of) has another famous son, Earl, who's a lowkey actor now. I wondered about him honestly, it appears he played in two low tier indie films so far. on the other hand i'm aware he probably goes to those high fashion parties and knows all those nepo kids. hopefully he doesn't turn into snowflake like Jethro too.
I noticed nepotism kids always pursue playing in rock bands or modelling or acting but never for example writing books.
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>>1347767>I make rock music in a time when urban music dominates
Get fucked, what kind of racially coded bullshit is this? It’s also patently false, rock music has never and will never fall out of popularity. Not to mention that many of us have been playing rock music since we were in womb and have the (albeit modest for the most part) accomplishments to show for it. I’d love to see this moron try to book a show here
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Kek her captions actually crack me up>>1347794
She won't, she only got USA/UK/Canada scheduled lol
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>>1347804>Beyoncé didn’t hear a song and wanna make a remix
What the fuck does that have to do with the price of fish in China? I’m calling it now, this sharmouta is racist and makes calling out “urban” artists her whole personality
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this, and saying "ugh fuck hip hop!" and "rock is not dead look at me"… look at this, miss rebellious defying industry!
Also, it wasn’t just photo shoots, he walked for Balenciaga, Prada and other major houses in the big four fashion weeks. He ruined his own career by being a dickhead>>1347819
My fucking sides, the nloggery. I hate this cow already but she has the potential to be real milky. Her posts are giving me Vicky Shingles pick me narcissism
Sad. He's like a male version of all these rock daughters/models, weird he wasn't caught by YSL and Hedi Slimane.
He's cringe but i wish him to get clean and do something with his life nonetheless>>1347835
Yeah, i think it would be funny to keep an eye on her. might find her tiktok and more info on her. i'm especially curious about her deleted, pre-career internet antics, i hope there's more than Harry-notice me incident.
She goes on tour with Girli, another new girl wonder thing but i think she at least used to be a rapper. (she probably switched to pop punk now like MGK lol)
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He actually was shot by Hedi (side note: his collections for every house/label besides Dior Homme have been basura caliente but I do like some of his photography and he is a hot piece so I can’t hate on him entirely) https://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/1696/1/jethro-cave-by-hedi-slimane
Wow, some of these are actually good, mainly cause they stylized his hair as Birthday Party era Nick. i noticed both of his model kids are often stylized very feminine or kind of ugly-weird style. (well not Jethro now cause he kinda disappeared). As for Earl apparently he has/had a band too, wrote and sang with other actors for a film, and said he might get more into music as well one day, but i haven't listened.
It may sound weird and stupid but i think famous kids uneccessarily lock themselves in a corner when they want to make music, cause whatever they do it nearly always ends up underwhelming and way less "edgy", idk, satisfying than their parents music. sometimes they're saved from it if they're wise to choose completely different genre and shut up about their family
>>1347912>seethes over successful black women >uses plastic surgery and makeup to jack their aesthetic
The caucacity of this nlogging fuckwit>>1347897
I stand by my Vicky Shingles comment, holy kek the narcissism >>1347867
Right? When I first saw this shoot I thought “he hates his old man but is happy to be styled like him”. >It may sound weird and stupid but i think famous kids uneccessarily lock themselves in a corner when they want to make music, cause whatever they do it nearly always ends up underwhelming and way less "edgy", idk, satisfying than their parents music. sometimes they're saved from it if they're wise to choose completely different genre and shut up about their family
Nail, head, etc. I think a lot of them feel like they’re in competition with their parents or their parents are trying to live vicariously through them, which they either embrace (like Arrow) or rebuke (like Jethro)
Wow i didn't know about that! so the kid he had photos with from Let Love In era in Brazil must've been Luke.
Arthur was a twin of Earl and died at the age of 15, he fell after doing LSD with a friend. i've seen One More Time With Feeling documentary, it's pretty much about recording an album (Skeleton Tree) after all what happened and it was very touching.>>1348030
Yeah like anon said, he was goth in Birthday Party, 80's goth/punk and after that, he played different music, very noisy in the beginning but also with piano and strings etc. Hmm if that makes sense, he was more "gothic americana" (or rather "gothic australiana" lol) with his interests in shitty scary towns with weird townies, very biblical (his book And The Ass Saw The Angel) or songs about prisoners sentenced to death (The Mercy Seat) or carnival (The Carny) and the whole murder ballads album. He's just more of a storyteller/writer in his songs and if his music is "gothic", then it means it's dark and eerie rather than Dementia Ebony Darkn'ness way. i somehow can't imagine him naming his kids Jacob Danger or North West etc.
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"Punk princess" Kelsy must have very famous parents. Foo Fighters shilled her singles and she was interviewed by Grammy etc. etc. this is fakest career so far, whoa.
Dani pushes and exaggerates the "ugly" factor herself a lot, shoving the armpits and teeth into central point of every picture. She's lumpy and not really a beauty but if she posed normally she'd be fine. I think LA people exaggerate into the other side too, treating her like a hero for not shaving armpits – it's about as "revolutionary" as Madonna posting arm hair on instagram. Plenty of women don't either cause they can't be bothered atm or don't care. it should be a normal human thing.
I think i know why Dani's so popular: she identifies and looks nonbinary, which is how she earned zoomer love. she's popular on tiktok. hollywood washed outs love her "exotic poverty" and Gucci weirdness. she's undisputably way more punk than Arrow even in sound, Arrow plays dad rock template rock'n'roll almost bordering on country with minimal dose of distortion. of course she's contrived but 1) got lucky with Gucci offers 2) she's oldest of all but knows how to play zoomer game
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Kekkk i haven't seen it but Sabrina thinks Kelsey copied her and now Kelsey's got angry Pretty Sick stans raiding her insta, but jokes one them cause despite the fact Kelsey's boomer team probably stalked Sab's socials, Sabrina didn't invent posing naked with guitars and neither front blond lol.>>1349208
Yeah she really made it her defining trait… which gets boring immediately. Agree with the rest what you said, although i think this thread is kinda safe from that cause i feel it's read only by select anons knowing these bands and scene + maybe some lurkers.
Yeah everything is derivative, I don't even know what new bands should do to be original. Most of nowadays bands are directly milking nostalgia, some in a pathetic way (Starcrawler), some abysmal (Machine Gun Kelly, Yungblood, Willow Smith etc.), moderately (Sab) or actually nice (Soccer Mommy, Amyl & The Sniffers). Maybe more rock/classical music mix? I feel that's a very broad subject and can be mixed in so much more of different ways that say punk/grunge.
There's just no new unique personalities and good songwriters anymore
Samefag, adding i think people still should hold artists to some kind of standards and expectations, i mean despite all that artists should be expected to present even slightest amount of originality/at least try. Sab/Kelsey case of course is a nonsense and both of them can freely use that boring pose as it's rock'n'roll cliche. But i hate people actually copying whole iconic looks of other musicians.
Kinda depressing to think that one day these girls, or soundclouters-turned-pop-punkers will be set as example of "originality". I mean, I've already seen some zoomers saying that, quoting: "I'm sure soon there will be an influx of new bands spitting blood and copying Arrow trying to pass it off as their original idea!" LOL if they only knew…
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Ik it's nothing milky but anons… this is how Dani Miller looked like in 2015. Besides "busted teeth", she looked like a normal, healthy weight rock girl, almost could be considered pretty compared to current pics. well maybe not exactly healthy as she supposedly did heroin, but still
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She changed so much. I understand that she wouldn't be noticed and therefore invested in looking like a clown, flaunting her teeth, hair and "i'm so quirky ugly whaaa" and "i wear Gucci in my white trash house" aesthetic. But somehow this old look speaks to me more, it's objectively boring but it looks less forced and unnatural
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i know right. red makeup immediately makes me think of Marilyn Manson (yuck) or Avril Lavigne. the only one who pulled this off was Emilie Autumn but thath wasn't full on red only
No idea who is that chick but after a quick google and skimming some sort of wiki offshoot page… (Lil Xan wiki of all places lol) well she's an ex model so ofc she has it easy making music career in LA. 90% of this thread is filled with rich girls who first started as models in LA or NY and so then had magazines & brands back them up when they start touring. i think with neo-poppunk explosion there will be much more of "who tf is that" ~*punk*~ singers with huge following cropping out of nowhere a'la Kelsy chick or Siickbrain.
on a side note she claims she's from a small town in North Carolina but other site lists her birth place as Los Angeles? i haven't read entire thing yet but you can take a look: https://lil-xan.fandom.com/wiki/SiiickBrainhttps://www.wikidekh.com/2021/01/caroline-miner-smith-siiickbrain-wiki.html
lol, i never said there's anything interesting about them or whoever's this girl.>models they are a dime a dozen and thats not how you get a music career its usually money,
well duh? these model girls turned singers are almost always coming from money, that was the whole point i'm trying to make. if they've got famous parents, they often are friends with the press people. i'm talking about internet press being more inclined to write about rich model-to-singer girls, especially if they had their appearances in other fashion editorials previously (sites like i-D especially) or when they attented magazine events etc. All comes to how rich or famous are their parents.
LA people might not give a fuck about models but that doesn't change the fact industry currently pushes rich ex-models rather than girls who are talented musicians.
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Oh my fucking god i hate itttttt, she looks like she has downs
anon, don't do people with down syndrome dirty like that, it's just typical Sickysab look. idk how she does it but she always looks awful. wears ugly emo clothes in such ugly combinations, and takes countless Myspace sort of photoshoots.
ik it's nowhere near possibility but that high pigtails hairstyle reminded me unpleasantly of those shady chicks dressing as little girls, like the Shayna girl with 100s of threads in snow. perhaps bc of her face, Sab looks like a kinderpunk/emo sometimes.
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Whoops saging for double post i forgot to add the photo
Eew. I wanna say the "fluids" are probably her spit at most, cause i'd rather not think of her pouring that indie guy's cum into the necklace lol. "Blood & bones & fluids" makes me think of that cringe shit Lilith Levisis did, trying to be Angelina Jolie with her blood vials. Not surprising since Sabrina was/is friends with Clare. same rich-daughters clubbing circless. I find it so funny these "rock girls" are so obsessed with Lilith, i mean she's a neet posting her broken back ass drugged pics all day.
Yeah her 14yo face is so oddly jarring, she looks like a kid trying to do sexy cosplay. Idk she needs a style makeover. Sab tries so fucking hard to be edgelord it's pathetic.