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Alice Glass is a 34-year-old singer/songwriter formerly of Crystal Castles, now tries to have a solo career with her own unsuccessful tumblr-esque uwu traumacore Nicole Dollanganger aesthetic music. She is constantly picking fights with other artists online and accuses everyone of copying her.
>gained notoriety as the frontwoman of the band Crystal Castles, which was pretty popular among the underground alternative/electronic/emo scene around 2006-2013>in 2014, she left CC after accusing her former bandmate Ethan Kath of sexual abuse. since then, she has tried to launch her own career, but has almost nothing to show for it>releases very little music and is mostly known for her internet presence and aesthetics>her debut album came out in 2022 after 8 years of no music, featuring 3edgy5me badly produced traumacore songs and tumblr tier photoshoots, "creepy" guro bloody doll aesthetics with fake guts and cockroaches>openly inspired by tumblr traumacore, called her tour "trauma bond" and talks about wanting her abuse to be reclaimed into an aesthetic in interviews>started hanging out with the hyperpop crowd: Dorian Electra, Lulo from heav3n, sophie, various drag queens and promptly abandoned her original punky style and adopted her hyperpop friends aesthetics/sound>horribly shoops pictures >>1469523>sperged on twitter about MGK copying underground artists and got media attention to promote her album>picked one-sided fight with grimes in 2015 and accused grimes of stealing Kill v Maim from an idea alice came up with then brought up same copying allegations in 2022 >>1661735 >>1661442>posted an email of grimes telling her off for saying she copied her and then on the very next story went like "grimes didn't copy me and i apologize". thinks she is going to be suicided by elon musk >>1661543>tried to cancel mark jacobs for not giving 25,000 dollars to her friend Lulo because Lulo's dad has cancer and tried to guilt trip her teenage fans into donating>poverty larps, says she gets no royalty money from CC but lives in a multimillion dollar mansion in LA, wears designer outfits worth thousands of dollars>claims Grimes is picking on Alice because she's younger (they are both born in 88 and Grimes is 5 months older than Alice) >>1662018>has been sperging for years about Sadie Pin of crim3s copying her, Alice and Sadie have had beef since Alice's old bandmate Ethan from CC stole some equipment from a show they were playing with crim3s and sadie got pissed and said Ethan shit his pants at the show >>1661615 >>1661751 >>1661705
Jupiter Keyes / Jupiter Io >Alice's boyfriend of 10 years>used to be in the band HEALTH but dropped out to manage Alice's career full-time, now stringing along >weird controlling tard wrangler who proofreads most of Alice's posts and manages her socials>posts either coomer shit or edgy #deep tumblr quotes on twitter>namesearches Alice all day>alice is currently on tour without him hence the recent sperging from her
Ethan Kath>alice's former bandmate/ex-boyfriend/abuser>his tardery is thought to be the reason Alice is so maladjusted now >has numerous grooming allegations from Alice & other girls who were former fans, he sued Alice for defamation and lost >attention-seeking weirdo>disavows his past and claims to be 100% into whatever new trend he hops on>when alice left CC he chose a new singer, Margo Hamman (Edith Frances) because she looks like Alice, essentially hiring a replacement >married a 15-year-old alice glass cosplayer (Au Vyst) he met on Tumblr, she left him and wrote a post about how he is obsessed with girls that look like Alice>Au Vyst also claimed that Ethan used to be a mod on the CC fan subreddit under the name u/brackets_html, that he posted obsessively about Alice and Jupiter while pretending to be a fan of himself, relevant accounts are deleted now but there are posts on r/crystalcastles talking about it>now faded into obscurity and hiding out in Canada somewhere to escape his pasthttps://twitter.com/ALICEGLASShttps://www.instagram.com/_alice_glasshttps://twitter.com/Jupiter_io_https://exposingethankath.tumblr.com
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Alice’s recent posts about grimes
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i forgot to mention the Alice Gas saga in the OP lol
>fan of Alice Glass makes a bad parody hyperpop music project, calls himself Alice Gas
>Alice hypes him up at first and even greenlit and released a remix Alice Gas did of Alice Glass's song "Legend" last year
>last month suddenly she gets mad at her name being copied and spergs out and posts this on ig as well as numerous subtweets
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okay, i found my caps of the alt! >>1662344
i agree, i made alice the focus of the thread because she was primarily being discussed in the grimes thread and multiple anons requested a thread on her. it is sad and i don’t fully blame her bc i feel like she never developed much emotional maturity, but it doesn’t seem unfair to talk about her drama as she is still a public figure
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ethan’s reddit sperging in his own defense
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i wish i had more screenshots bc the account literally had hundreds of posts and was basically a meme in the cc fandom once it got exposed, it got nuked pretty fast
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upon the account getting outed Ethan was deleting a large portion of the posts in his own subreddit and then deleted his account
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here is Au Vyst’s post (1/3)
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another post from Au
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ethan posted Alice’s new songs on reddit too like a creep
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he literally doesn’t shower according to Au
that squiggly makeup photo >>1662308
is pretty obvious "bipolar girl who got raped" sorry idk how else to describe it. she's scribbling on her face and raving and it's sad that no one around her seems to care enough to help. in canada if you want help, your friends can easily get you into camh, or refer you to a pay what you can therapist, or even the walk in clinic can put you on a list for psych meds. you might have to wait a few weeks on that last option, but it's there and not super expensive if you have her income. if you're homeless and unemployed it's different obviously.
i didn't mean like what you're asking for, i meant like quick triage camh or pay what you can therapists. i live in downtown toronto and we recently had to get one of my friends help with some kind of manic disorder, and she isn't broke but has less money than alice.
alice has the money for a real ass therpaist like you're talking about, but if she lived in a big city in ontario she could 100% walk into camh emergency triage, go to one of the pwyc therapies, or get a definitely less than 6 month wait from her GP. I have done all this stuff and recently had to help another girl get help too. it's not super easy, but it's not as hard as you make it sound, if you have decent income and a place to live already.
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Ahahaha! I can see it! He’s obviously got hair but his hairline is severely receding, you can see he brushes forward his greasy fringe from the top of his head.
I haven’t seen a photo of this motherfucker since about 2008 so was pretty floored by how gross he looks now. You really do age externally to be the person you are deep down.
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You can really tell that Ethan wrote all the lyrics when you see that 85 IQ grammar.
he has those porn addict eyes>>1662388>>1662398
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This summary is perfect and but one thing that's off is the part about the horrible shoops like this one here >>1469523
That's actually an "art piece" by this guy on instagram called Lucas David. He's photoshops and draws artists into looking weirdly skinny and strung out, he was really popular in the early 2010's and drew a lot of artists like Lana Del Rey, Sky Ferreira, Kurt Cobain, Courtney Love, Nicole Dollanganger, David Bowie, Taylor Momsen, Lorde, Marilyn Manson, etc. Funnily enough though Alice is now starting shit with him too even though his drawings and shoops of her helped her gain popularity on sites likes tumblr around 2012 but I guess she's just lashing out at everyone now lol.
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It’s such a shame what Alice is now. She used to be so cool and didn’t really try. Her style was literally just thrifted stuff or her deceased grandmothers leftovers. She was mysterious and effortless. Now, she overshares and her style is just Amazon tier leather babydoll cringe shit. I feel her regression to a baby voice is due to the abuse she endured, but possibly everything else since she wasn’t really allowed to express herself or have a chance to enjoy her adolescence. That being said, she should have stopped making music and try to process all her trauma first and then maybe go back into creating. Her music now sounds so derivative and unoriginal. Aesthetic now is so bad and dated circa 2012.
I feel for her but she needs to stop going manic on social media. She needs to put her phone down and focus on herself and heal. It’s like she’s a caricature of herself now.
This. Alice is a fucking mess but she was publicly groomed & abused since childhood, of course she has issues now and doesn’t trust anyone in the music industry. Ethan is by far the bigger attention-whoring pedo cow and I hate how his victims
always get scrutinized more than he does.
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yeah OP here and I regret making alice the thread focus, i figured people were more interested in her and i don’t think having a thread to discuss alice (so it doesn’t clog up grimes/other threads) is unfair, but it’s true she’s clearly just mentally ill and not malicious/not quite a cow, at least not on the level of the associated scrotes. yeah i think it’d be better if we treat this thread as Ethan & Jupiter general and also a place to discuss alice/CC/that former scene as well.
i’ll dump more stuff from the CC drama so this isn’t a pointless post. here’s the text of a post from Au (ethan’s ex) talking about Margo, “Edith Frances” - the girl Ethan hired to replace Alice in CC (1/3)
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Alice vs Margo - Ethan literally hired her to skinwalk her
like Titanic Sinclair but more disgusting
I think Alice is still milky, most of her unhinged posts come up when she has too much time alone, such as >>1662322
sucking up to this troon and taking it back because he's getting a little more popular than she is.
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Trevor is a major cow. The dude is in his 50s and claims that his art isn’t pedophilic yet contradicts himself in interviews and says that his art is about sex. He is a weirdo that has capitalized on the whole uwu Japanese creepy kawaii aesthetic to continue creating art of sexualizing little children. Even in an interview he states that he is attracted to adults that look like young children? Aka: you find kids attractive. Overall gross person.
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Alice is milky too, these were photoshopped by a fan she hired and Alice liked the posts knowing they were fake.
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Imagine being with this scrote for 10 years and he dresses you up like the ultimate handmaiden in threadpic
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Trevor Brown is more than a cow, he is a depraved pedophilic monster who draws little girls and babies in sexual positions, in bondage gear, mutilated and cut open. Some of his "art" features drawings of little girls completely nude from the waist down. He is a sick man who has probably committed sex offenses and if not I'm sure he will someday. His fetishes are Dahmer-esque and it saddens me to no end that he has a devoted following of like minded scrotes who take pleasure in the same sadistic fetishes. This image of his "art" isn't even close to the worst of it, spoilered because it's sad and disturbing.
Eww. The top row right pic is GG/Plaaastic. he drew her like that already after she died.
As far as i know he drew a lot of those insta cows back in a day, including Holli Heroingranola. which shows how deeply into following this scene he was bc Holli was an orbiter of Lilith/soundclout cows, not a famous person herself.
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she admits here that jupiter proofreads her rants usually (cough censors her)
i think making a new thread and letting this one die might be a good move, this is just sad and there’s no real milk, i dont think she deserves to be made fun of even though it is embarrassing to act like this, make it about ethan/CC orbiters generally or something>>1662812
why do people say stuff like this lol? you dont just go to therapy one time and all of a sudden be like “oh im fixed now ill stop wilding out on instagram”, its a child’s understanding of mental health, shit can take months or years to have any effect and it just might never work depending on the situ
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someone mentioned she just went on tour without jupiter so that's why we are just now seeing her rant. picrel from when she was on tour with zola jesus and he restricted her access to fans. there is something deeper here
putting a trendy twist on it. in the hipster scene alice came from, accurately fitting in was more important than musical quality. many bands got better-sounding once the fake-glasses-mustache-workboots-and-sundress era was over. there were guys who had the right clothes/connections/persona who did something the band needed to get popular during a certain time, but who actually didn't help the music.
kek i'm bitter that i used to be laughed at for this opinion, but also happy to see bands i respected get better.
"sexually ripe" yeah just because your pedo handmaiden wife agreed doesn't mean this is the voice of the people. Men get away with such levels of personal revulsion and it's nbd>>1662831
For lolcow she's getting an easy time, all the related milk that spirals out from her makes her being the thread subject logical.
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It looks like Lucas David was right to call Alice a hypocrite because I always see her writing on her twitter to "make sure your friends aren't rapists" and she has been hanging out with known rapists for the entire time she's been saying that. I guess she doesn't care about her friends rape victims
this is exactly why Alice has cow tendencies. I’m not doubting she’s a victim
herself but at some point she needs to take accountability. her victimhood is something she makes into a brand and tweets about to look woke. she’s not wrong that you should check your friends and make sure there aren’t bad people or abusers in your social circle, but she can’t say that while being completely hypocritical in her personal life, selectively choosing to support people with abuse allegations. besides lillotus, she toured with marilyn manson, collabed wirh ghostemane who defended his rapist bestie pouya, she follows nicole dollanganger and ethel cain. she would condemn anyone else for the same thing but it’s different for her friends?
>>1662749>most of her unhinged posts come up when she has too much time alone
i don't know if there's a name for this, but i have met several bipolar girls who throw the words "toxic
" and "abusive
" around towards other women a lot who start creating drama when they've been alone too long. they excuse it by saying "it was a mixed episode" or something and idgi. i think it's like using mental illness as a crutch instead of working on strategies to make yourself feel better
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What happened to Luna and TND is sad too, but two truths can exist simultaneously, that and Alice went overboard with the filler. She's had five more years of work done, picrel is her now, I think she got her nose done too.
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Exactly that. Alice pretty much came forward about her experience of being in CC when she started promoting her solo work. I get the fact it takes time to realize what you've been through, but this seems more like using her victim
status as part of her promo shit, not her venting about how much of a piece of shit Claudio is.
Claudio's attempts to try to dig at Alice while she came forward about the abuse she endured were hilarious in itself as well. I need to find the source, but I remember him trying to say none of the CC fans liked her, they only liked the instrumentals.
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gross. serving alternative Charles Manson realness >>1662664
ohh yeah i remember that. Trevor Brown's drawing of a bruised Madonna (very creepy considering his gore fetish) CC stole and used as their album cover without permission. I remember back when it happened Trevor was pretty mad and called them assholes on his art website and CC apologized but didn't change the cover?
weirdly Alice recreated the bruised madonna picture for the cover of her new traumacore Nicole dollanganger ripoff album, even tweeted the original drawing and her album cover side by side. probably without the artist's permission again. she probably sees it as reclaiming her trauma from CC, but imo it's beyond tacky to use a known gore fetishist paraphiliac's drawing of a battered woman as aesthetic inspiration for your album cover two times (without permission, so basically art theft again)
Nta but I'm very glad to hear he's old and I'm hoping he dies soon>>1663164
Alice should take her own advice and talk about what a disgusting piece of shit the artist of the original image is, instead of continuously aligning herself with pedophiles and rapists.
Nothing too milky, she was a model before joining the band. Before joining, she looked pretty normie, it wasn’t until after that Ethan influenced her looks and tried to make her skin walk Alice by being all alt and dying her hair etc. there’s actually a photo of her leaving a bar in the background while Alice in in frame, years before joining the band.
The whole couch surfing story that both Ethan and Edith claim to be true, is not. He was actively looking for a new vocalist while Alice was still in the band.
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Alice fans are noticing that her new song Lips Apart sounds like a total ripoff of a Tatu song
I listened to both and I hear it, especially at the opening they sound really similar. Wtf, obviously CC was mostly alice, ethan struggled to recreate her originality and the album he made without her was ass. so how did alice go from clearly being the creative driving force in CC to her entire career rn being derivative with stolen artwork, copying the hyperpop aesthetic, copying tatu… its sad, where did the talent go?
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i went through her tags and i think the comments about her wearing rich shit while begging for her troon friend's gofundme got to her because i saw this comment she made recently + some other comment of her being insecure about a pic. she's striking me as someone who looks up her name constantly to see what people are saying >>1663685
kek wtf they sound so alike. honestly i'm getting tired of her trying to profit off of her trauma and the wking in this thread. its been 10 years of healing at what point is she supposed to take responsibility for her actions? never?
you're right, I'm retarded.
I only stumbled over CC because of the grimes talk on lolcow, got interested because people claimed that grimes ripped off alice. didn't take long and I learned what a monster ethan is and mostly cared about people exposing him online.
I couldn't find out what that asshole is currently doing, Crystal Castles seems to be M.I.A for a long time by now. no news or gossip whatsoever, wtf? Disappointed he doesn't seem to be facing any charges.
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Well then she loves tatu and her scrote is her lapdog that she forced to rip off tatu on her behalf kek
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according to his ex, he's living in a $1mil house in canada with edith. i've also heard that he owns? bambi's in toronto.
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and here's for the nonnie
that was talking about plastic surgery. alice isn't some young adult anymore so obviously she's going to look different and age but she looks so off now. I think she did something to her cheekbones and definitely lips of course. I feel like the anon here >>1663038
is right about her nose as well because it looks weird, like definitely smaller but that could be because of the filler in the rest of her face puffing her up
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oops, meant to post the full version of this.
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more statements from au vyst while i'm at it. sorry if i post anything that's already in the thread.
>>1663879>honestly i'm getting tired of her trying to profit off of her trauma and the wking in this thread
This. It might seem cold of me to say but there's a fine line between using music as a coping mechanism for her trauma and straight up glamorizing/romanticising it. I can't even listen to some of her stuff despite quite liking a lot of her music because the themes of sexual violence disturb me and leave me with an icky feeling afterward. I know she's probably using the lyrics to vent but she sings it with the same gross satisfaction as a sadist. Her new song especially "lips apart, is this the way it hurts" it's like very graphic description of SA, she's not talking about lips on a mouth. She's literally singing about a rape with this soft voice and it's just too gross for me to listen too, not sure who's she catering too with this stuff but it seems like most SA victims
would just be too disturbed by this. I don't know maybe I'm way out of line here that's just my take as an old fan.
>>1663919>singing about a rape with this soft voice
this is the thing that has always made alice's music so gross and unlistenable to me. the nicole comparison has been made a lot upthread and she even follows nicole too. there's a line between using music to cope with the pain sa causes and romanticizing it while singing graphically about it in a cutesy tone. also how gross to use a melody stolen from tatu (tatu's producer, ivan shapalov abused the 14-year-old singers) for her glamorized uwu cute rapey song
thank you for all of the caps nonnie
! this is horrific, i'm glad auvyst is away from ethan now. and it makes sense that the drummer is just as bad, he toured with cc for years must have witnessed so much of ethan's abusive
behavior behind the scenes. chris has to have no morals to have stuck by ethan for so long. it seems like all of the scrotes in this scene attract damaged women and wreak havoc in their lives.
i do wonder about edith. how is she doing? how old is she? auvyst said edith lies about her age (edith said she was 21 when she joined cc) so would that mean she is actually younger? given ethan's obsession with picking up and moving in young highschool girls that is extremely concerning. i know edith is a bad person too for willingly skinwalking alice, but living with ethan must be an absolute mindfuck and i hope she can get out of that situation one day.
I know not all victims
are the same but that is one of the reasons i'm not a fan anymore. I feel like it's inconsiderate to keep triggering
her fans, I suffered from a similar relationship and my therapy taught me to make peace with it and move forward, talking about "get the fuck off of me" and reliving violent rapes in multiple songs and writing from the antagonists perspective just seems inauthentic to me and I'm sorry that's insensitive but it's just my opinion, i removed all her songs from my playlists because they would send me into ptsd episodes.
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reposting this. deleted it to reword myself and kinda forgot
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samefagging picrel is edith
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nta but a $1mil house in canada looks like picrel if you're an hour and a half away from downtown core toronto. this place is a ripoff for reasons i won't get into atm
bambie's is owned by jackie vezeau as of 2022 but he could be an investor or co owner? i don't want to give him any "mean internet hater lie" ammo so will try to find tha facts.
i agree anon. she's clinging to a shit past that she'd be happier letting go of. it sucks ass that ethan messed up her mind and maybe she can't think of another way to exist, but that's why you contact a doctor or someone who can help you to learn. it's not good for her or anyone she's trying to perform/be a role model to if her whole identity is "rape victim
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i think she gained some weight after ethan stopped controlling her eating and tried to compensate for losing some definition in her face. the alexander wang pics from ~2015 look like buccal fat removal to me, more recently it seems like maybe cheekbone implants too or just tons of filler. sucks bc i think she could have aged really well naturally. her nose looks the same to me though tbh>>1663919
haven't even tried to listen to the new song bc the title is just too fucking creepy
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i've always thought she wrote alice practice, xxzxcuzx me, love & caring, through the hosiery, & black panther at the very least. courtship dating & tell me what to swallow seem to be more of a collaboration. probably just autistic speculation on my part.
anyway, i remember way back in the days of the CC forum, ethan actually posted some of the lyrics alice had written in her personal journal. can't remember which songs specifically, but i feel like most of the songs i mentioned were genuinely written by her. its also worth mentioning that ethan included some of these journal entries in his litigation against her. the scan is shit quality, but i'll include the context in picrel. i wish i had archives of him posting alice's journal entries under his andy account on the cc forum, it was genuinely creepy even then.
imo its easy to see where alice's participation in lyrics drops off. look at the songs i mentioned on CCI vs what she's released now; they all have a similar style. the lyrics for II/III/amnesty also have a similar pattern. i'm sure she contributed, but the difference between writing styles is pretty obvious. whether it's due to alice's lack of participation because of abuse/depression/drugs, or ethan's overwhelmingly controlling behavior? i can't say one way or another, personally. it's always been very messy.
if you want to explain why you think each person wrote what, i'm interested! even if it is just tinfoiling i find it interesting lol
the journal thing is incredibly creepy. what a freak snooping through her stuff, holding onto it for years to use it against her. i wish ethan's old forum posts were still up, sounds very milky and enlightening to his weird behavior.
she should've just stopped making music after CC. this just goes to prove that she stayed in the abusive
relationship because she profited from it. she was most likely afraid of people realizing she isn't capable of doing what CC did alone, which is totally ok. no one expected her to be except herself i guess. but her music and aesthetics suck so bad and that alone probably gratified claudio a lot
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alice and her scrote look like they’re trying to recreate CC vibes with the poses or something. he grosses me out so much
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Why does this creep always make that cringe le epik darkn3ss face? It’s so try hard and embarrassing. Reeks of troubled teen girl steals mom’s digital camera and takes emo pics to post on MySpace later, but like you’re a grown ass man well into your 30s.
i think trauamacore and tumblr-type women constantly talking about their "dark pasts" are actually stopping women who need help, from getting help.
i know that when i heard stories from girls like this, or saw how they center it in their art like it's their whole identity, it made me feel like i had been through nothing and didn't need to go to rehab or talk to someone about issues with men. they talk up their experience a lot and i think it's making a lot of women feel guilty, like their own problems aren't "bad enough".
especially because women like alice will silence you or get defensive and need to have the worst problems in the room, and because women don't like to argue with each other your friend group will reinforce that. then you feel like you're faking because this woman has already taken the spot of "most drunk, drug addicted, most raped trauma princess" in the group.
sorry if sperg, but i think this fetishization creates competition between cluster b girls who then silence other women they should be supporting.
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You're probably thinking of pic related, which was his statement upon the release of "Frail".
However, two years after that, Alice claimed: "He berated me and yelled at me, telling me that I was a joke, that all the people that came to our shows were only interested in his instrumentals and that I was ruining the band." Which was in her official statement here: https://alice-glass.com/cc/ https://archive.ph/9wH1U
Links to the relevant court documents I could find atm, that is Palmieri v Osborn. https://www.docdroid.net/UPFnt75/1733847723-pdfhttps://archive.ph/YmmiX
I could not find a copy of CLAUDIO PALMIERI VS STEPHEN BERNARD, ET AL. , which I believe to be Ethan's defamation case.
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damn, i didn’t realize the entire lawsuit was public. it’s so disgusting how ethan tried to use alice’s drug addiction as proof that she isn’t credible, when it’s obvious why she would have been depending on drugs.
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>ethan using flirty emails from alice as proof that he didn’t mistreat her
imagine the lawyer walking up to the judge and being like "ok sir here's exhibit C, a screenshot of margaret saying 'hey baby i miss your cock like crazy'"
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>ethan alleges that alice hired a fan to post about ethan and jupiter sperged at the fan for not doing it
is there any proof of this? >>1662761
mentions alice hiring fans to photoshop pictures of edith too
if she is actually paying or influencing stans that’s really sketchy honestly. but ethan is a piece of shit and he could have just made this up, i wouldn’t put it past him. though i won’t take anything ethan says seriously without proof, i have a strange feeling about the entire situation. i don’t doubt alice told the truth about ethan, but the way it almost seems like she uses her trauma to craft a narrative or sell an image to her stans is so weird and shady. >>1664902
you nailed it, alice clearly loves being the most victimized girl, treats it like a contest she won or a badge of honor. i mean, there are shirts in her merch store that say “trauma queen” in a cute font with a drawing of a little girl on them lol what
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>>1664968>ethan alleges that alice hired a fan to post about ethan and jupiter sperged at the fan for not doing it
i'm fairly certain they're talking about ari here? she's posted a lot of crazy shit about the whole situation. i'll drop what i have.
that sounds made up. i doubt alice can afford to hire anyone rn. i think she makes herself look richer than she really is (like the rest of us in toronto kek).
i could believe that she asked a friend to change the hair colour pic (like she's shit at photoshop and asked a sympathetic fan-friend to make the pic to prove here point)
but there's no way she has the money to hire trolls.
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I believe this is in reference to Ari:
Pg. 108, last paragraph.
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Alice went straight from the arms of one weirdo into another. That is a tragic fact, regardless of who you believe.
As far as personal speculation goes, based on my knowledge of both bands and statements by all concerned parties, Jupiter and Ethan had 'bad-blood' for many years due to Jupiter's jealousy of CC's success, and Ethan's Jealousy of Alice's long term preferential interest and eventual elopement with Jupiter, which she began several years before ending her professional relationship with Ethan.>>1664990
Jupiter is 1/2 of the founding members of HEALTH, and I will post it when I find it, but in an interview where Crystal Castles is mentioned (iirc it was in 2009), he appears far more annoyed than in the rest of the video, although he is characteristically taciturn in the whole thing. Also, during the DEATH MAGIC tour, he mysteriously disappeared, and fans noted the bands' deflated mood for the rest of the tour and lack of statements on the matter, ever.
To use a crude analogy, I would guess Alice being as much into the DDLG degeneracy as Jupiter and Ethan are, all to varying degrees throughout their relationships. They all strike me as incredibly traumatized people, Jupiter being the most vindictive, however.
This page seems like proof that she has money. Her entire closet is this brand Grimes is obsessed with called Demobaza and they aren't cheap. Calling Grimes out for being a thief and a "musk fucker" while wearing the exact same high cost clothes as her is iconic.
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the DDLG shit is so weird. occasionally she'll post a video like this to her live and it just makes my fucking skin crawl.
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This says she audited him multiple times and everything was fair. She must be getting paid fairly even though she says otherwise. Once bands split up that doesn't mean the money runs dry.
ayrt, ty v. informative
nooo what the hell why would she like about how much she got paid if there's proof like this of her compensation
wtf she's making herself look so crazy and if she's not broke now she's really risking it with this behaviour
i'm sure she's betting her diehard fans don't do any research
if i'm wrong please correct me but didn't alice "win" the defamation case because ethan's lawyer forgot to process some papers so the judge threw the case out?? i remember reading through the documents and i feel confident that happened. and then alice acted like she won it when it was just ethan's incompetent lawyer?
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ntayrt but I did some digging and you're completely right
I found the motion of dismissal https://www.docdroid.net/oGryQql/1729694704-pdf https://archive.ph/ecFuR
and Ethan's appeal after the case was dismissed: https://www.docdroid.net/uwTQKb5/1733872354-pdf https://archive.ph/j4XDe
I'm not a lawyer or anything so take this with a grain of salt just autistic and interested in legal stuff
and my understanding of the situation is that>Ethan sued Alice and Jupiter both for defamation and causing harm to his career with Alice's statement. he said Alice lied about being abused, which would need to be determined in court that she lied for Ethan to be able to win the lawsuit. Alternatively if the judge/jury found Alice told the truth about being abused, then Ethan would have lost the lawsuit and Alice would win (which Alice later implied that this happened, implying the court verified that she told the truth)>Ethan's lawyer tried to submit Ethan's case, but the lawyer fucked up and didn't file something in time, and also formatted exhibits wrong (an exhibit is an image/thing used as proof in a court case), so the case got partially thrown out>the motion of dismissal explains basically the burden of proof falls on the plaintiff (Ethan), but his lawyer didn't add an index for the exhibits and he also didn't separate the exhibits with a tab between each page. and the poor formatting meant the evidence was not legally admissible. that doesnt mean the evidence proved or didnt prove anything, just that its formatting couldn't work in court >the motion to dismiss the case was granted in regards to Alice specifically, due to this error>Jupiter's appeal was denied, so Ethan's charges against Jupiter for conspiracy to slander him or w/e were still allowed to be pursued in court. idk if Ethan followed through on that but he could have kept suing jupiter if he wanted to >Alice's lawyer fees were ordered to be paid by Ethan, but not Jupiter's
the case was dismissed before it actually went to trial. so "dismissal" in this context just means that the case was prevented from going any further, it doesn't mean that the court found anyone guilty or innocent
so yes, very disingenuous of Alice to claim that she "won", implying the court found she was telling the truth, when they made no judgements on such a thing. i think she expected people to just take her word and assume the court verified she told the truth, when if ethan was found guilty in court, he'd be in jail probably. though to be fair this doesn't mean ethan was confirmed innocent either, and i don't think he is. Neither Ethan or Alice "won" or "lost", this case hit a wall before it could determine that either of them told the truth or didn't
the physical/personal/relationship abuse sounds true. claudio fucked with her mind and life.
but it's clear to me now that anything regarding finances or contract was (somehow, idk how any of these people manage to tie their shoes tbh) handled fairly while the band was together.
yeah exactly. Ethan was so obviously an abusive
partner, there is way too much proof and so many allegations against him for me to believe he didn't do anything at all, but i feel like Alice exaggerated the financial stuff to be 'vindictive' (which she deserves to be after what she went through). i get why she would want to go scorched-earth and say everything with Ethan and CC was as bad as possible but the exaggeration kinda sucks because then Ethan and his goons can point it out like "see, she's not being honest! Alice is a liaaaar justice for Ethan!"
Makes herself look richer yet says she's broke? Which is it?
Alice trying to act like she's not mainstream or ever was is funny. While Alice was in the band, CC performed with extremely huge bands such as Depeche Mode, Deadmau5, M.I.A., Nine Inch Nails, Metric, and Chemical Brothers. They even performed with HEALTH multiple times in three different years.
God, her and Jupiter are really made for each other.
anon i meant that with her clothing and videos she LOOKS like she's doing better than she is financially.
but, i have since been proven wrong by anons posting proof that she gets paid.
i believe you nonnie
. that's so fucked up, i'm sorry you were in that situation. i'm glad that nothing worse happened to you. if you feel comfortable posting proof or more details, it would be good to document this stuff, but obviously no pressure, not worth potentially doxxing yourself over these people. all-ages spaces like that are more often than not pretty sketchy, there's no reason that's not sinister that 30 year olds would want to seek out common spaces with high schoolers.
For better or worse I had an older boyfriend so that acted as a buffer between me and a lot of the people with worse intentions. My mom was already on her way to pick me up so I never got to smoke salvia with health and I regretted that for the next few years lol
I feel like I could be identified bc of the music video, so I don't want to go beyond that. Anyone who was around for 2005-2011-ish the smell would recognize enough to know what I'm talking about. I also know a lot of those same people still so I don't want to cast shade on anyone undeserving. There were plenty of people who were positive and not creepy, but scummy fucks take advantage. I think it was common with diy's around the country especially during the popularity of myspace making it easier than ever to "connect". I'm just super curious now because I didn't know the health/alice connection was that big or long lasting.
I'm so sorry nonnie
and I believe you. I hope you are doing well now.
Jupiter is exactly what he claims to hate
it was fucking retarded of Alice claiming that she won the court case when it was only thrown out. I wish this case went to court an alice indeed winning the case, that ethan scumbag belongs in jail. apart from paying the fees he slipped through unscathed, having only a dent in his reputation is not enough.
is it true that Alice doesn't earn any royalties for her work in CC? Is only ethan still getting money from streams/sales/whatever? Alice should have counter-sued him for royalties.
It’s a regressive thing that most that have survived abuse do. Because prior to that she had a raspy deep voice in interviews, but that was also exaggerated because she was trying to sound more mature for her young age and also maintain that “one of the guys” badass punk thing.
This baby voice didn’t start until like 2014/2015.
So are HEALTH creepers or just Jupiter? Shame if the whole band is fucked up though I have low expectations of coomer
scrotes. I love their music so much though
For real, I hope some of the band is at least sane. I know they have a Discord, but which of the band members actually browse it and if >>1665616
is true, how long was that in place and who prompted that? An immature mod or one of the band members?
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not really milky but given the recent posts on jupiter's weird behavior i think its weirder they both follow his tags, he doesn't even follow alice's tag. he seems controlling? especially over his image.
does anyone have any proof of sadie saying shit about alice too? i couldn't find anything beyond word of mouth like alice went to rou to ask him to produce songs for her and apparently he declined, sadie was also upset about that and said its both of them or none of them.
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i know sadie has posted other things about alice and shaded her in various insta posts but a lot of it has been lost to time. picrel is more recent- sadie has always been bitter that crystal castles became the face of witch house back then despite their music not being “witch house”. i also remember sadie saying a while ago that crystal castles III used crim3s demos as a blueprint and that sadie felt ripped off by alice. i wish i had a screenshot. basically they’ve been accusing each other of copying each other and being posers for 10 years…
I think all of them are present more or less… Maybe not all the time?
I remember there being a rule that everyone who posts porn gets banned forever, unless it's Johnny (who gets kicked for 24h). Honestly, I'm keeping fingers crossed none of them ends up being a rapist/groomer/pedo. I find scrotes being close to their fans suspicious.
Anybody tried calling The HEALTH hotline? They are offering mental health (kek) support/venting opportunity to fans
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Few years ago I stumbled upon an image of a woman in google images and she looked similar to Alice and a reverse img search showed me alice's mom's facebook which I will not post for very obvious reasons. She seems like a very normal mom, was super supportive of alice but when I recently checked her fb it was wiped clean. probably being harassed by crazy cc fans. Everything about alice was removed (she used to follow alice fan pages). Her sister's page was also very normal, she isn't active either. her husband is an ugly scrote though, whats with these gorgeous canadian women getting with the ugliest crustiest scrotes??
picrel is a fan that dm'd her sister. I remember this fan trying to message paige again and obv she didn't want shit to do with the drama and the fan got super butthurt. i think it was palesadist? can't remember. he's another cow in the cc fandom who feels entitled to as much attention as alice got because he thought being lied to by ethan was such horrible abuse. dude was annoying as fuck, if you were in the cc discord you'd remember.
alice also follows 30+ fanpages of herself which I find weird as hell too
enjoy my infodumping, i feel retarded as hell but atleast i can actually give you some info if you weren't there to watch it go down
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picrel is the img that got me banned from the cc subreddit because i said this is proof ethan is balding due to the skin coloured part showing from the hole on his beanie. someone tried to argue it was a durag or some shit but all he wears is those smelly bandanas
I remember palesadist and the dms he posted with Paige. didn’t know about the mother though, interesting. cute that she’s supportive of Alice’s career lol
found this old post discrediting Alice and pointing out Jupiter’s weirdness, also that Alice’s sister called out Jupiter https://www.reddit.com/r/crystalcastles/comments/78n6np/understanding_the_context_to_alices_statement/
here’s the archive link to the dms for posterity: https://web.archive.org/web/20180215032830/http://castlegrayskull.tumblr.com/post/153673930657/aliceglassexposed-alice-glass-exposed-as-a-huge
I know the Paige situation is old milk but it’s still so strange to me. I remember Ethan fanboys used them as a massive excuse to say Alice lied about the whole situation, but idk because her sister probably wouldn’t have witnessed the worst of the abuse. it’s possible she just didn’t know it was going on. it certainly is interesting that Paige says with such confidence that A and J are liars though idk what to make of it. I hate to say it but I could see Jupiter maybe coercing Alice to exaggerate or something?
don’t worry about infodumping, that’s what this thread is for. if you have any more milk or relevant information please share it! >>1665868
KEK LMAOOO he’s so clearly balding
samefagging but I feel like it’s a “both things are true at once” type deal
Jupiter and Ethan are both manipulative abusive
creepy retards who have long lasting beef and keep trying to make each other look bad. there’s so much dirt on both of them that they’re both flinging shit at each other until both of them are completely visibly covered in shit. wrongdoings on both sides are obvious. I almost feel like Alice is just caught in the middle. like she’s impressionable and just goes along with whatever her boyfriend says
i kind of sympathize with paige because my older sister is a bpd asshole too. i see it as what this anon says >>1665895
also thank you nonnie
for the nice words! finally my tism is put to use. trying to think of other shit that happened at the time.>that time someone broke into their neighbor's house and alice/jup swears it was meant for them >finding au's vimeo(?) and posting it in the discord only for it to be swiftly deleted implying that even long after the cc drama ethan still lurks >vimeo had au's auditioning practices with ethan helping her, shots of her, ethan and friends at what looked like a carnival
its hard finding anything now because i feel the entire group lurks really hard and will delete anything we stumble onto
small info>alice's mother never stopped trying to reach her during peak cc days and constantly emailed ethan asking how her daughter is>overall a very sweet and supportive woman, nothing bad on her twitter or socials in general >alice's grandpa was mayor>mom is still active on twitter; follows people alice is involved with; grimes, alice longyu, marilyn etc (probably forgot to unfollow some). follows alice fanpages as well >>1665904
LMAO might've been an accident. wasn't he obsessed with those robber masks or whatever too?
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dropped pic sorry
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kek what the fuck are these scars on his head
omg the neighbor’s house thing! I remember when Alice was talking about that and implying Ethan sent someone to break in somehow? lol
wow, I thought Alice had no relationship with her parents. I swear she has tweeted about having no relationship with her family, implied they were abusive
and talked about cutting them off. her mother being this sweet lady who supports her daughter’s career and follows Alice’s fan accounts to see what she’s up to is kind of sad idk >i feel the entire group lurks really hard and will delete anything we stumble onto
same here, I’m surprised they haven’t found this thread yet tbh. Ethan, Edith and Au are confirmed to lurk heavily on at least the reddit and discord. Alice strikes me as someone who constantly looks up her own name as well
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yeah ethan is psychotic but i don't think he would do that, sounds like maybe jupiter planting paranoia and fear into her.
That's true but her mom could be abusive
behind closed doors, ya know narcissism and whatever, i don't think we'll ever know and it's hard to trust alice as well. picrel the only thing she's tweeted about her mom
alice goes through her tags religiously so it's only a matter of time, she's been silent on her socials since the meltdown.
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It seems weird that she would almost brag about not having a relationship with her family after saying that ethan kept her from them (if ethan was restricting her access to them you think they would reunite by now) paige also said that jupiter is isolating her from them. IIRC paige would go on tour so she may have seen more than other siblings of abuse victims
yeah, it seems weird to me too. also that Paige said she spent more time with Alice and Claudio- you’re right she toured with them, I completely missed that part - and then when Alice got with Jupiter Alice basically cut her off. ofc this is just tinfoil but I would bet Jupiter is putting ideas into her head. >isn’t your family kind of toxic? babe i think you should cut off your sister >omg the neighbors got burglarized… what if it was meant for us… i bet Ethan arranged it, he has it out for us anyway
and this is exactly the same thing she accused Ethan of doing. Jupiter does the same stuff and he seems like a control freak.
wait what LMAO
i don't remember this, are there caps or something..im not shocked. jupiter is so obsessed with ethan its so creepy
its weird how jupiter completely changed his image too, he used to look decent and now he looks like emo will ferrell >>1665961
sounds spot on
i think she's codependent on her partners i remember ethan on an alt saying she dated a pedo before ethan, than ethan (pedo #2) came and then she goes straight to jupiter right after ethan
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Interview was an episode of "Noisemakers on Noisevox"hosted by John Norris.
The other founding member is Jacob Duszik, they were college roommates and Jupiter heard Jacob listening to "Frankly Mr. shankly" (jupiter still wears morissey shirts to this day) and they became friends. Then Jacob met john working at guitar center in Hollywood, and the band had begun. they went through a few drummers before meeting BJ Miller.
*I archived it years ago and it appears to be gone. I will re-upload when I'm not working, as it was uploaded in like 7 fucking parts on youtube that I need to splice together. Just scrolling thru these, in the beginning of part 4 of 7 Jupiter gets annoyed about CC. they explain the band's origins in part 6 of 7.
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Found some caps, full conversation is here: https://imgur.io/YKHwpuX
Jupiter personally knows this guy named David, calls himself FuneralBoy and Spookyfag, who put on a female persona as Lydia. He tried to claim this random person named Mono from the CC forums is actually Ethan and starts assuming Mono of being transphobic for figuring out Lydia is just a drag queen name David came up with.
David's Facebook with the nickname Lydia attached to it as well: https://imgur.io/4VTzuZN
Pic of David's Spookyfag Instagram calling himself FuneralBoy in the bio: https://imgur.io/884aRjd
Pic of Jupiter leaving a comment claiming David, Spookyfag, is his friend: https://imgur.io/aBD7Oti
that guy on the far left looks like a ragemonster
second from right has the pornsick stare
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So weird that Jupiter, emotionally unstable creepy ddlg trauma fetish cow, used to work with traumatized girls. And I guess he’s trying to do DIY therapy for Alice since he’s “qualified” like this? Their dynamic is so strange
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If she's being truthful, she got a stimulus check because she made under $75k a year. Also, I thought she was only a Canadian citizen?
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Jupiter's Twitter is really pathetic tbh
Also he's a terrible producer. I think one thing that turns me off about Alice's solo stuff is her lyrics being pronounced so precisely and the lyrics themselves sounding like some edgy teenager wrote them. It doesn't mix well with the instrumentals.
It is upsetting he's not as milky as Jupiter. Now I can tinfoil Alice is with Jupiter because
he's so milky and likes any and all attention, even the negative criticism
>>1665939>Sorry if this is a weird comparison but it reminds me of the Opheliac era Emilie Autumn fandom
This, I wanted to say the same thing. Alice Glass reminds me of Emilie Autumn so much now.
They both glamorize their trauma and base whole careers on it, except Emilie's life story is 99% a madeup bullshit. Alice is milking her abuse story for 10 years or so, Emilie is glamorizing her bipolar disorder for even more than that, talking how she loves this wonderful "gift" (while also much suffering ofc too) and shoving said NLOG gift in everybody's faces for years.
Even down to ripping off American McGee's Alice game. Alice Glass recently made a video which is just a copy of Alice Madness Returns with her as a character, and Emilie… well, she just completely based her trauma uwu life story on the first game. "REAL" life story, not even album concept or whatever. that and bitch 100% seriously claims she's an offspring of Alice Liddel, lol.
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I saw this tweet when her album dropped and knew nonnies would love this
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This side eye pose reminds me of EA too. they both do it a TON in their photoshoots.
all these women just sit around in a circle accusing each other of copying and crying about it instead of actually making
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alice’s “grimes copied me” thing went viral on tiktok and the comments are filled with people talking about how original and innovative alice is kek. i’m not a grimes stan at all but alice’s entire aesthetic for the past decade has been a derivative mishmash of nicole dollanganger, dorian electra, and various stolen melodies, and her most recent song was literally a tatu ripoff. her copying is even more obvious than grimes’s imo? maybe the tiktok kids don’t pay attention to her solo career and just know her for cc
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anon you just reminded me of the Marc Jacob drama she was posting about
something about him ripping off the heav3n name and aesthetic? i tried watching the video she linked in her stories but it was boring and unconvincing. these retards in that circle think they came up with y2k/heaven aesthetic as if it isn't the most overdone trend at the moment lmao
these tiktokers are obsessed with sperging about capitalism in the most retarded way.
We can go a step further and say Alice Glass copied Kap Bambino's image for Crystal Castles.
I remember the itslulo troon person's "Heav3n" webstore. they were selling hot topic tier hot garbage for designer prices.
Marc and Itslutroon literally just talking inspiration from 90s gay rave/club scene. How male of them. But adding a weeb orientalism finish because gen z are all Koreaboos and weebs now.
Itslutroon even cried to Marc Jacob's team demanding they change it from @heaven to @heavn or something retarded because they "have been trying to get the Instagram name for so long " and Marc actually did it because he didn't want problems like getting called transphobic by his new free money source of faux woke gen z buyers
As for similarities between the brands itslutroon was acting like they created the concept of alternative gay rave shit. Before Marc Jacob's heaven project was even launched itslutroon store was already down and not doing well so it seemed like they fucked off from fashion and focused on party events only to try to gatekeep Marc later
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I think I somewhat get what their coming from, a lot of big name brands often do copy underground styles and aesthetic and sell them for the general population but at higher prices
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I'm not sure when this pic was taken but it seems 2010s ish. The itslulo / itslutroon moid literally cosplays as an alt Harajuku girl. They are just tsking styles from Asian women bloggers and alt Tumblr style it's not original. They strike me as a z list celebrity just because they stole an Asian girl's likeness (they look Mexican or something)
I'm just clarifying that this troon hasn't ever been original
>>1666569>I just realized how lonely it would be not to be buried beside you
I feel that, sorry>I'm done with me. You should be too
Don't worry I am lmfao
lutroon is delusional if he thinks he invented y2k/hot topic asiaboo style>poc trans woman icon
does he think being mexican gives him ownership over 00s inspired j-fashion?
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Tbh, I miss this era of indie. She definitely has gone down one of the expected paths of what happens to girls like her at this time. Also, pic attached, I found this anti-abortion photo in her likes.
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btw I clicked on it and there is a pro-choice paragraph underneath the photo
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Just look at them.
such a cursed pic! chris (far left) cheated on his gf. there's a video somewhere of her telling the whole story.
and alex zelenka (next to ethan) lies about his age online and is a creep.
ask him why he’s a pedophile kek
i’m interested - how did he convince you to defend him? what made you come to your senses?
im not trying to powerlevel at all, just mentioning my lukewarm experience, i was fucked up back then, not proud, i was no way close friends with anyone or anything and im not claiming that at all. sage for all that and potential rant but you asked.
and i don't really know why, i think just loved the music so much and couldnt believe he would do such a thing, since he has been so nice to me in the past, i know people he helped get sober etc etc. like a really great manipulator clearly now. being a little pickme prob has something to do with it, mostly sober now and done loads of mental work to get where i am and i shudder reading this thread.
i was young and dumb and struggled to grasp how deeply shitty the whole thing was and i think that's how they wanted it tbh, they used anyone online as ammo to create a huge muddy divide. it's still a big mindfuck divide for alot of fans especially in the local home scene, most of us scattered like cockroaches lol. i should fucking ask him that.
Clean your ears nona.
Do you know any bands in roughly the same genre that you consider good? I would give them a shot if I hadn't already
Just because you don’t like the member’s (it’s literally 1 member too) associations, doesn’t mean the band sucks. >>1668485
just because a band looks goofy, doesn’t mean it sucks lol. look at thom yorke, neutral mill hotel, etc. they all look goofy and weird.(sage your shit)
ok but they look like gross coomers because they are
no because i don't listen to overhyped hipster post-blogosphere bands
just listen to jon hassell or something
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I have full access to westlaw and lexis and found CLAUDIO PALMIERI VS STEPHEN BERNARD, ET AL. it's 8 pages long and it's a complaint ethan filed against his prior counsel alleging legal malpractice lol. going to include screenshots of it
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glad to see some interest, i'll poast the rest!
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and i learned to sage. sry
thanks for posting! i like that this thread has become a catalogue of all claudio's shit, it's good to have a record of his tardery that he can't delete.
if this is accurate claudio's lawyer sounds quite sloppy and honestly negligent. it's pretty funny that claudio got stuck with the worst lawyer imaginable, though. karma's a bitch. i wonder if the lawyer threw the case intentionally because he knew claudio's sketchy story and complete lack of evidence wouldn't hold up in a court of law against alice's proof and the word of the other girls to back her up
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that's all i've got. i can find more funny court cases/dockets if anyone needs. bored studying for law school finals and used to be a huge crystal castles fan. seems like a shite situation all around
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Look who's thirsting in Nicole Dollanganger's comment section.
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alice returns to twitter to start shit with grimes again kek