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This thread concerns creators, artists and others who work in the modern western American Animation Industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
Some of the big name cows currently in the industry:
>Rebecca Sugar: Creator of Steven Universe, Drew Ed, Edd n Eddy R34, self inserted her brother into the show, claims to be a queer woman despite having a long term heterosexual relationship for her entire adult life https://twitter.com/rebeccasugar
>Alex Hirsch: creator of Gravity falls, is dating Dana Terrace(who is the creator of Disney's The Owl House) where she also has her own self insert in the show, supported shipping of his self insert Dipper with his Lauren Faust self inserthttps://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch
>Noelle Stevenson: Creator of She-Ra reboot and the comics series Lumberjanes, is married to Molly Ostertag (who is also in the comics industry), came out as non-binary in 2019 and in 2020 chopped her tits off and came out as "Transmasculine" and "bigender"https://twitter.com/gingerhazing
>Julia Vickerman: Creator of 12 Forever, proving girls can do it too, and by It I mean your cousin, a NLOG who stalks teenage boys and tweets about how hot they are, was fired from her own show for mistreating and sexually harassing her co-workers, still active on Instagram though https://twitter.com/juliavickerman
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Previous thread highlights:>Scott Adams(author of those Dilbert comics) is glad his step-son died of a drug overdose otherwise he'd become a school shooter >>1590757>Kate Leth now identifies as autistic instead of borderline >>1593733>Pretentious writer Grant Morrison comes out as non-binary >>1594267>Miscellaneous Miraculous Ladybug controversies >>1598152 >>1599669>Vivziepop ruins her own series on account of her fujo brain rot >>1604388>48 year old VA for Silco from Arcane, dating a 22 year old they/them >>1606098>David Zaslav stepping in as CEO of Warner Brothers Discovery >>1606635>Bee and Puppycat remake >>1612798>Rebecca sugar describes Pearl and Rose's relationship "If Alfred(a servant) was in love with Batman" >>1614045>Infinity Train pulled from HBO max >>1620405>Julia Vickermen may have intended her character Reggie from twelve forever to have been trans >>1626423>Donnie from TMNT is now canonically "autistic-coded" >>1665614>Velma is just Mindy Kaling's OC self insert series >>1669092 >>1669877>Velma writers might be projecting >>1670300>they're making a scooby doo series without scooby doo >>1670973>Rick and Morty writers shoehorning in their fetishes >>1673405 >>1673986>Haley Quinn writers turn the show into a neo-liberal power fantasy >>1677666 >>1677813>Helluva Boss has 3 episodes in a row dedicated to Blitz and Stolas romance >>1688134>Tuca & Bertie has been canceled again along with 38 other shows >>1692472>Pixar's new film look like trash >>1706256>Nate stevenson "celebrates" being almost 2 years on Testosterone >>1717525>Some suspect Molly might have groomed her to transition >>1719853 >>1721347>Others are convinced that Noelle was always like this >>1719862 >>1722145
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So Noelle's feature film is set to be released next year on Netflix
>The animated film Nimona, scrapped following the shutdown of Blue Sky Studios amid Disney’s acquisition of Fox, has landed at Netflix, with Chloë Grace Moretz (Mother/Android), Riz Ahmed (Sound of Metal) and Eugene Lee Yang (Spring Bloom) set to star. The adaptation of ND Stevenson’s New York Times bestselling graphic novel—originally to have been directed by Patrick Osborne, but now being helmed by Nick Bruno and Troy Quane (Spies in Disguise)—will debut on the streamer in 2023.
>In the LGBTQ+-themed Nimona, Knight Ballister Boldheart (Ahmed) is framed for a crime he didn’t commit and the only person who can help him prove his innocence is Nimona (Moretz), a shape-shifting teen who might also be a monster he’s sworn to kill. Set in a techno-medieval world unlike anything animation has tackled before, this is an inclusive story about the labels we assign to people and the shapeshifter who refuses to be defined by anyone. Yang is playing a character named Ambrosius Goldenloin.
>Taking to Twitter today to celebrate Nimona‘s revival was Stevenson, who wrote, “Nimona’s always been a spunky little story that just wouldn’t stop. She’s a fighter…but she’s also got some really awesome people fighting for her. I am excited out of my mind to announce that THE NIMONA MOVIE IS ALIVE…coming at you in 2023 from Annapurna and Netflix.”
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her comics were find for that specific era of trumblr
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Thank you for including Parker Simmons and Mao Mao in the pic. I was a huge fan of the show as I watched it get brutally murdered, I can't imagine being the creator himself.
To be fair, most major figures in modern western animation are mediocre artists with no idea how to run a show. The only thing that makes Noelle stand out from the group was that she wasn't an animation industry nepotism baby, and she's actually SSA instead of a queerhet larper. In that way, her cringe feels more authentic and understandable (though it's still bad), as opposed to the CalArts crowd, who were born into money and given everything they could have needed to succeed, but still came out retarded. Granted, sometimes I wonder if she only got big in the industry because she emotionally latched onto a NY nepotism baby (who, not to paint Molly as a victim
, treated her like shit and then latched onto her in return when her career started taking off), but I will admit seeing her success does make me feel like I'm at a Special Olympics horse race where all the horses are retarded, and she's my favorite retard horse because she came from a small, local farm instead of being purebred by enormously wealthy people.
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Inside job is probably the most blatant self insert I have seen in years, the creator is half japanese/white and the MC is also half japanese/white, she's smarter then everyone else but also "quirky and relatable" in a wish fulfillment sorta way
is it though? its more taking the piss out of the concept of shadow governments that people believe in and just using it as a set piece for a slice of life sci-fi show
I've watched the show and its okay, also its not really political more something by smug liberals who think they know better then everyone else.
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I don't think the specific instance I'm remembering is on Substack, but I did find this there.
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why do they always look like this(sage non-milk)
Oh man yeah i remember when i started crying tears of joy because of how awesome representation she was for the whole 2 seconds she was on screen on the whole show lmao
I wonder if his plan was to eventually get a darkwing duck spinoff but that fell through
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I know he's technically not industry but I think it still fits here. Does anybody know what's going on with RebelTaxi/Pan Pizza and the podcast? Izzi already deleted the long ass thread before I saw it, but apparently these two are no longer on it? Maybe it's not milky but the fact Jizzi had written a 10 part twitter thread about it before deleting seems like some shit went down.
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Mirrored thread. My gathered info from the reddit seems to point to the podcast being rebooted without asking Izzi (or Jim) about it and adding DaftPina (animation community drama YouTuber).
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Cont of deleted Twitter thread about
Explains why a lot of Disney show runners nowadays has some upper middle class/straight up rich character that acts like a dick yet still gets a “redemption” because they have mommy and daddy issues.
Side tangent but I hate this trend, and no matter how much “oh but they have at home issues” they try to push out on this character- I will never side with the rich character who is a piece of shit to others or any rich character in general
Thanks nona!!I don't understand how he's upset Pan didn't talk to him about the reboot when he literally said, in the thread, that he was asked to be a part of it. The fact he was screaming during his livestream sounds unhinged. >>1728226
god i haven't watched/listened to the podcast in so long i forgot about Nolan. This isn't surprising at all
>>1728020>Since then I'm better. I'm on better meds, I'm slowly getting my creativity back and I feel more and more "human" every day.
Yet he still is of the delusional belief that he is any kind of woman when the reality is that he's also just a large man in a dress, okay lol.>>1728562>Nolan
I never cared for Nolan tbh, he was very annoying. Honestly both him and Izzy were my least favorites and only Pan and Jim were the only ones who I enjoyed listening to as well as some of the guests they had on. I actually didn't know that Nolan was associated with potential grooming and if this is true, good fucking riddance.
NTAYRT but there's Chris Thorndyke from Sonic X but that was early 2000s, I just disliked that character so much kek
Maybe some of the characters from Miraculous Ladybug like Adrien and Chloe?
Marceline is literally the daughter of a powerful abusive
man, and she is introduced as selfish and cruel before becoming friends with the protagonists. I'm not saying she's a bad character, but these are facts about her character. Additional complexity doesn't change that.
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how many fetishes have they focused on, piss, incest and anal violation???
>>1729653> This is a shitty trope and I've never seen it done well
Because you shouldn’t have to keep reinforcing that your character abuses/assaults others because “boo hoo my mama didn’t hug me enough”. Like, you can understand the character/what ‘built them’, but jfc don’t force the audience and the characters to like the person who goes out of their way to hurt others
Another character I thought of is that white haired chic from ghost and molly McGee. I baby sit, so sometimes I’m stuck watching the show, but each time I see the white haired girl, I hope the absolute worse for her- unfortunately this show also followed the trend of trying to make the audience sympathize the privileged person
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tbf its not like Dan Harmon's any better, he literally acted in a sketch where he pretend to rape a baby as a parody of Dexter
She was raised in poverty by her mother and Simon, though. Hunson was basically absent her entire childhood, so his power and wealth were basically irrelevant until he was an adult and wanted her to inherit his job.
Also, the show doesn't use her childhood trauma as a justification for her behavior. The flashbacks to her childhood are mostly just part of a larger plotline involving Simon. Marceline's impulsiveness and pettiness are just innate aspects of her character that appear to have been there in some capacity even when she was a kid.
Also, she's stuck as a teenager forever because that's when she absorbed the soul of the vampire king, so there's an element of arrested development at play.
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Some helluva boss clips were leaked onto 4chan straight from a storyboarder's website. The one with the fight being episode 9 and the two clips focusing on stolas daughter being from episode 12. The episode 12 clips look a little too
good to be true for me. The camera angles and way things are framed within the scene are way better that what helluva boss has done so far. A lot of the shots look really basic and usually stay the same through out unless it's a fight scene or musical scene they wanted to put effort into. There have also been some gifs released on twitter by VivziePop of hazbin hotel. Honestly wish viv and Brandon were actually good at writing so they could make the whole troubled parent relationship thing work. It would be interesting to know more information about stella and have Octavia and her relationship be developed.
Archive of the 4chan thread: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/134732141/#134749948
gifs posted by VivziePop: https://twitter.com/VivziePop/status/1606696441774317570?cxt=HHwWhIC9ndb5kMwsAAAA
and leaked clip google drive file i got from the 4chan link since all these video converters are fucking faggots: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BrTwkxTBNFdu3jUEcMU5NL9vRdDYpPfI
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Some hazbin hotel character sheets and scripts also got leaked: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/134770451/#134770956
Picrel is the main antagonist, other profiles in the thread
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Bump for CP
So Viv has no problem making a bunch of misogynistic jokes (even naming characters Vaggie and Clitorissa) but god forbid this show has a tranny or a man-hating joke.
Also that's the ugliest design ever. WHY is Viv obsessed with that clown/demon head shape? Is she fucking autistic or something?
The description kek. I’m all for hating these types of people but the paragraph sounds like it was written by an edgy kid explaining their cool new oc. >arrogant but confident
I got whiplash from writers not knowing words>>1737734
Exactly, the show is another superficially progressive medium like many other modern shows, just because it’ll handle slightly “”darker” subjects, but with the addition that it will run over all it’s female casts.
Sorry but I just do not like this show and can’t see why it garnered this much attention. At times, I think the unique artstyle is the only thing saving it/is the reason why people where interested in the first place (that is to say IF they weren’t past the age of a freshman in college)
Nu Shera where every girl has a flat chest, the main romance is a toxic
mess, and Castaspella is turned into a meme quirky aunt and pushed aside in favour of a lackluster moid
She can't defend "it's only the angels because their bad guys" defense because the second female lead in the show is called Vaggie which is another joke. The fact that most female characters are just pussy jokes seems like a huge middle finger because they told her she can't turn the show into a fujo yaoi.
Viv has always spat on her female character, especially the heteronormative and straight ones. She does it so much I'm waiting for Viv to troon out
I think you mean "the only readable and clear design in that clusterfuck of characters">>1737657
Jfc im glad it's and indy production and it's so successful, apparently people like working on it and are paid. But man it's so edgy and insufferable, i honestly cant understand how anyone above 12 can stomach it
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Been noticing a LOT of demon/angel pornified comics and animations. I wonder if the line of thinking is like "I'm horny but want to still have a perfect cinnamon roll uwu smol bean persona, demons are "naturally" sexy so it's not ME who drew them like this – they are just like that! Haha!"
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One more from the webtoon Monsters and Girls. Angels and Demon OCs are very popular right now? DeviantArt resurgence
I hate porn addict moids as much as the next nonny
but i think you may be reading too much into it. It's just teen boy jokes about piss,sex,and mental healthas someone with a piss kink, i really don't see any sexual aspect, i have no idea who gets horny watching this
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Sorry for off topic; I found this meme on my computer and I didn't get it from this site so maybe people here may get a kick out of it.
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Early reviews of Mindy Karling's Velma, its somehow even worse then what everyone expected https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/velma-review-scooby-gang-adult-170027366.html
>It’s not a casting issue, but a writing issue, as whatever character traits made Velma, Daphne, Fred and Shaggy engaging in the original simply isn’t present here, and the serialized mysteries aren’t engaging enough to push the narrative forward. Really, it feels like there’s something missing here. Maybe the producers should consider adding another character. Like a funny talking dog.https://www.bubbleblabber.com/season-review-velma-season-one/
>Velma feels like the Cliff’s Notes version of Scooby-Doo that was then eaten and thrown up by the dog. To be clear, a series of this nature should be allowed to forge its own path or choose to omit Scooby-Doo or any sort of canine companion, but there just needs to be substance underneath it all rather than cynicism. Velma comes across as even emptier after something like Glass Onion, which clearly has such reverence for Agatha Christie mysteries, whereas Velma repeatedly dresses down the original Scooby-Doo simply because it needs a target.>Velma is edgy and it wants its audience to know that right from the jump. There’s rampant cursing, gratuitous female nudity and graphic violence, and there are even cockroaches copulating doggie style all in an attempt to come across as shocking and funny. It’s all such a transparent attempt to push these characters into a more mature universe without justification or much of a plan.>Audiences just want a funny, genuine update on Scooby-Doo. Not only does Velma take too long to rid itself of its baggage and be itself, but it often feels like it has a direct disdain for its source material.
>>1738589>shaggy worries that he’s a beta male
Dude, shaggy’s too high to worry about being seen as a “beta”, whatever the fuck that means. He’s a looser like the rest of the gang.
Maybe it was for the best that they took scooby out because I can’t see how they massacred the dog when they already mutilated the gang. It keeps coming back to the question on who this was made for, I’m genuinely curious
Skip if you’re not interested in sperging about angels:>>1738581
I find angels to be interesting the way they’re portrayed in a lot of esoteric religion—they are considered more intimidating than demons but it’s just because they’re super alien to human nature (while demons exist on a lower plane and have more in common with us). Angels wouldn’t fit easily into human ideas of goodness or benevolence as they work more for a universal purpose than for anything else, which sometimes means they are pretty harsh in service to the greater good. They exist so far beyond the human perspective that they literally don’t understand our emotions.
A better story than “the angels are evil lol what a tweest” but still making them the antagonists would be the conflict between these two perspectives.
I get annoyed at the “biblically accurate angels” trope because it’s often just a meme that people parrot mindlessly because they think it makes them sound clever, hurr durr did u know angels are scary ackshually
. A lot of shit in the Bible is symbolic anyway (esp if you’re taking your ideas of scary angels from accounts of prophetic visions), and there’s a multitude of stories where angels take on human form or are otherwise described as beautiful. There’s more than one type of them ffs
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plus many cultures have interpreted Angels in their own way for centuries and those beliefs are just as genuine as the iron age semitic symbolism
Lowkey kinda feel bad for her if she really did want to make her own show, but producers told her that she only if it was attached to something.
Still can’t tell if this is her actual direction or if she’s being so bitter about it. If it’s the latter idk why she would ruin her career on a scooby doo show
I think the show just wants to take the approach of having heaven be corrupt because, like the rest of the show tries to be, it’s seen as “obscene” and despite many people being so jaded about the religion, they think it’ll add a twist to their show.
Idk I hate all abrahamic religions and would give anything to not hear about the “evil demons who are after your soul, but who are basically human and misunderstood” vs the “uptight flappy bird idiots/goody-two-shoes who think they’re better than you, but will save you against the eviil”
I don’t think a shitty Scooby Doo show is going to tank her career. Everyone will forget about it in a couple of years and move on.>>1738983
Where did this theory come from? If that was the route they were going I think they’d skip the small dick jokes because Twitter would have a field day calling them out for transphobic body shaming or some shit.
II didn’t even bother with the last movie/special so I’ll probably do that, thanks anon. >>1739564
Is it still just her writing the show now that A24 picked it up? I can’t imagine they wouldn’t meddle at least a little. Their name is kind of prestigious in ~~indie cinema isn’t it?
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Inside Job got cancelled
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good, it was very mediocre.>>1737650>"oh hey charlie, i heard you were in lesbians!"
People were freaking out about this on twitter yesterday saying it was canceled too soon but doesn't every
show get canceled if no one watches it??
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this is how she writes adam, btw, holy cringe. Also both the character design and the dialogue sound exactly like Blitzo, it's basically interchangeable
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these are all different cartoons
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Inside Job was such a let down, wasted concept and main chracter just to be another bojack/rick and morty. The only episode i remember that i liked, and that actually used the concept of the show, was when they had to fire a person and they choose JFK shooter, which was a gentle old man. If the show had more episodes like that instead of episodes about Raegan's retarded family and other side characters that are painfully unfunny it would have been really good. Could have been adult Gravity Falls but decided to be the worst of modern animation. Rest in piss.
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but why didn't bojack or rick and morty get cancelled
That first one made me chuckle tbh>>1741262
Wasn’t this the show Hirsch was supposed to showrun or produce or something, at one point?
There is a LOT of that in Western animation. There are so many shows and pilots that get shot down, so the people who do make it get so much envy on any type of anonymous cartoon forum.
It’s a combination of western animation being ultra cliquey and anyone outside the cliques being treated like nobody. There is definitely a lot of people here not directly in the “group” and are seething at the people who constantly get their shows greenlit.
Why do you think they project all this onto fictional white males? I actually think the writers are “riddled with daddy issues” and are “sixteen year olds that haven’t gone through puberty yet”.
Fred is a nice guy. He’s maybe the most mild out of the main cast and generally easy-going. The fact they tried to pin him as entitled and douchey doesn’t make any sense or honor the previous incarnations of the character at all. Everyone in Scooby Doo, for that matter, just seems to be chill. It’s reflective of the original decade they were created in.
>Velma is the least popular girl
So this is going to be a “woe is me, POC
” story. Velma also wasn’t hated by anyone in the original.
Western animation threads or boards are great because they’re nothing like Japanese animation or manga boards, where there’s a language barrier between you and your favorite mangaka and they couldn’t care less what westerners say.
Western animation/comics is filled with insiders, sensitive industry cows, leakers, and washed up rejects who have a crab-in-a-bucket mentality.
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Long Gone Gulch has been dropped by an unnamed animation studio.
Based, kek. All the salty replies lmao, this thread is full of scrotes and art cows you can bet.
Sorta feel bad for Shion, eh.
Seriously? I know they drew a lot of edgy horror shit but I wasn’t aware of the porn.
I liked the look of LGG but it seemed very niche, I’m not surprised they haven’t found a studio for it.
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I liked this velma way better than the new one shes annoying but she had character. The new one feels like tumblr mtf pickme girl . Its feels so insulting to the scooby doo franchise where the scooby isn't even included.
Its so bad that even the usual wokeoids are making fun of it, and mindy kaling's is now considered "#problematic
" cause all her love interests are white guys and so one likes it
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I'm willing to bet it's because Fred seemed too similar to a popular jock that the writers had grievances with in High School, you see this a lot in "nerd/stoner comedies" where the muscular jock is always beaten and humiliated in someway
Lol I saw that too, don’t these people realize how insisting that a woman dates within her own race is nationalist rhetoric? Fucking weird
At least Velma gets an lesbian romance with another asian woman in the show, I guess
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My feed is flooding with Inside Job fans peeing over Netflix praising Del Toro over Pinocchio. I don't understand how people are getting behind this. Pinocchio is a lovely film with a lot of heart, miiiiiles above Rick & Morty clone #102. How has it gained such an ardent fanbase? What makes this show somehow more likeable than Hoops or Paradise PD? They're all just the same low level adult animation churned out 12 at a time
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Oh shit nonas, kek. Remember people talking about Justin Roiland being a creepy sex pest and his relationship with his ex who ended up going into porn? I wonder if this was her or someone elsehttps://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/justin-roiland-rick-morty-allegations-domestic-violence-charges-rcna65403
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No scroll nonas porn spam
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So apparently the characters in Velma are the kids of the original Scobey doo gang and scooby isn't in the show cause he's dead
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Ducktales 2017 in general had a strange history, it was supposed to be a flagship cartoon like Phineas and Ferb was, but it ended up being less popular than even Owl House and Amphibia>Had massive names for VAs>Had every related Disney Afternoon and Donald Duck universe character besides Mickey and a few others>Had plans for a Darkwing spinoff>Had comics>Had a toy line that planned to extend>Had a planned Epcot interactive attraction>Even long after it ended has the first planned TVA artbook>Legend of the Three Caballeros was also panned to have a film and potentially more tie-ins but it was officially killed off for Ducktales before it even aired>Didn’t do bad but never reached expectations and things slowly got scaled back
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I, for one, am not complaining.
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I wish twitter would learn that Mindy Kaling's parents are rich doctors from India's highest social caste. They did not move to America because they had little and were seeking a better life, they moved to America because they wanted MORE after living lives that oppressed every lower caste in their country.
The show's reliance on these "wyt pipo" jokes falls apart once you realize that Mindy Kaling benefitted from the exact type of generational wealth and position of power over others she is decrying, but we should treat her differently because her skin is brown. Well, EVERYBODY'S skin is brown in India. What's her excuse for profiting of the backs of the downtrodden there?
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Yeah. Like not to blog but my mom had like three different dogs with the same name while I was growing up. Same breed, same gender, similar appearance. It's a pretty common thing to do.
Who the fuck is this supposed to appeal to? I'm a zillenial, the demographic I assumed they were going for, and I have zero interest in watching this. Seriously, who looked at Scooby-Doo and thought that the problem was that there was a dog in the show? Since when were talking dogs a bad
thing for adult animation? Bojack Horseman was a huge hit with my age group, and I don't remember anyone refusing to watch it because it had talking animals. And Scooby wouldn't even have to talk, but he should at least be
there! He's so important to Shaggy, wtf.
Then again, maybe it's a good thing Scooby isn't in the show, because it spared him of being ruined. They'd probably have him be voiced by a comedian and constantly spew awful Big-Bang-Theory-esque one-liners.>>1743617
This is what I was wondering, too. So these people who were friends as teenagers all
happened to name their kids after themselves? Did they force their kids to become friends? Doesn't seem like Velma "assembled" anything if their parents were already lifelong friends.>>1743655
The 60s fashion mixed with modern shit like smartphones also bothers me, but I might just be a sperg who has a lower tolerance for that shit. Either set the show in the damn sixties, or modernize the outfits a little bit while maintaining the color palette. But don't just be lazy and keep the same outfits (while also making the characters' faces look like clone high rejects.)
I'm mystified by the sheer number of retarded creative decisions they made on this show. It's like a car crash I can't look away from.
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Anyone know if this is true? Everything about the writers and the creation of this cartoon is such a mess I'd rather watch a show about that
I don’t get what kind of self-hating white person would even want to watch this. Shows like this act as if you’re just supposed to take insults and not mind them because you’re white and praise its diversity and POC
that are insulting your race. Yeah sure I’m gonna watch your show when they insinuate all white people are dumb, vain, rich or nazis.
(Before anyone tries anything I’m a poorfag slav and have had no part in American oppression bullshit)
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In light of the recent arrest of Justin Roiland, some interesting animation industry exploits have been exposed by animator, Nicholas Walstrom (otherwise known as Walrusguy). Walstrom has confirmed multiple things about men in animation, and also confirmed that about half of the things in that EZ PZ western animation industry expose are actually true. Some highlights include:
>Alex Hirsch is indeed a trashcan shitter
>Joe Barbera was a serial sexual harasser and PR covered for him, saying "He's just from a different time." This is one of those "open secrets"
>Dino Stamatopoulos (Moral Orel creator) is a gross cocaine addict, and he sexually assaulted Gillian Jacobs
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I heard that Daphney, Shaggy and Fred are all in love with Velma
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why is this exact same post on /co?
Alex hirsch is a trashcan pisser too. He'd sleep in his office for days without leaving while working on gravity falls. He would only shower like once a week too and stunk to high heaven.
I swear I've heard some weird shit about Dino S too but I can't think of what it was right now
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Is it woke or is it edgy? Echoing everyone else that is questioning who is this show even aimed towards.
Thanks for taking one for the team and watching the show or interviews about it, then. I'm perfectly content with the extent of my knowledge of this shitshow coming from this thread, regardless of how correct it is because I don't want to give these clowns a single view on any platform.>>1744819
NTA but Riverdale sucks too (though not as badly), for many of the same reasons. They took a lighthearted IP for babbies and tried to make it a serious drama.
ok? I'm not saying don't watch it. I was correcting the characters background since some anons swallowed "the characters are the kids of the original Scooby Doo gang" whole and ran with it.>>1744836
It really does. I'm surprised no one ended up autistic.
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Phineas and Ferb picked back up for 2 more seasons, It makes sense with The owl House and Ducktales both failing at being flagship shows, so they choose something more proven and reliablehttps://twitter.com/DisneyAPromos/status/1613956139682496532
I mean from a purely business perspective it doesn't matter how "culturally important" a piece of media might be, if its not making money then there's no reason to keep it on
Disney poured a ton of money into Amphibia, 2017 Duck Tales and The Owl House, Yet even with all that, the actual viewership of each series always declined after their first seasons
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Alex Hirsch allegedly posted this and deleted within seconds.
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I hope Disney installed a toilet in his office this time.
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A screenshot of the tweets itself outlining the claim would have been more appreciated
it's so unnatural though because where are all the lesbians who make it big and get like this? i've never heard of one
yeah there's rich ladies who have a way younger girlfriend but you never hear of fat old women doing like how he treated gillian jacobs
You want to know a weird coincidence? The Justin Roiland podcast that has got him in trouble where he says 13 year old girls are sexy, the podcast cover art was drawn by Kali Fontecchio, who dated known creep and abuser John Kricfalusi and also dated and was roomies with known creep and abuser Nico Colaleo.
She's @KaliKazoo on Twitter. What is it with Kali?>>1745548
Louis CK said on an episode of Opie & Anthony that Dino met his wife when she was his dominatrix, the first time they met she burned his penis with hot wax and then they got married.
I used to follow John’s blog pretty closely in the early 00s and would also keep up with the blogs of the Spumco groupie girls he always kept around, Kali, Katie Rice and Marlo Meekins. They seemed pretty close for a while and then suddenly all stopped mentioning each other/drawing each other. From what I gathered from some people in that circle, Katie opened up to Kali about being sexually harassed and threatened by John while working on the Weird Al video they did together and Kali, who was either dating John or at the very least interested in him at that time, cut her off. She found the CP on John’s computer a while later and continued to date him for at least a couple more years while attempting to further isolate Katie by gossiping about her in their shared circles and cover up for JK whenever anyone tried to call him out. I don’t know the details of their relationship and she was probably a victim
here too but she and Johns entire clique at the time have a history of being sketchy nlog pickmes, even after their association with John ended (Marlo is still friendly with him apparently)
Nico is a bit odd but I have known several people who know him and he seems like a social climbing orbiter at worst. He definitely had the hots for Kali even after she started dating John and they seemed close for a while but have absolutely nothing to do with each other anymore.
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I first heard of Dino Stamatopoulos after binging moral orel and I wanted to see his other works and I was left severely disappointed, both of his directed shows were raunchy, kind of disgusting and there were a lot BDSM and penis related jokes that went on way too long
This was the main character of one of his series >Dr. Victor Frankenstein (voiced by Jeff B. Davis) – An immortal genius mad scientist. He "doesn't like anyone," wears a lab coat and has red hair. He is a sadomasochist (auto eroticism such as burning his crotch, shooting himself below the waist, etc.) and is opposed to the idea of regular sex, especially with his wife, who uses his fetish to her advantage by bribing him with genital mutilation
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This is found even in Hollywood, a lot of people making movies and tv shows are schlubby antisocial outcasts who have a massive chip on their shoulders about getting no attention from girls and all the cooler popular guys who pull more than they do. so there are simple more unattractive, insecure men who love to have their ego stroked by media then normal well adjusted people that probably wouldn't even care about shit like that.
Think of every Kevin Smith film, the villains are always mean preps or jocks who get their come comeuppance, which for kevin smith means them getting shot, raped in prison or sent to hell, and this is framed as something the audience is supposed to celebrate
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Rick and Morty's co-creator convo with a 16yo (he was 35 at the time).
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Sage for OT, but I am a fellow Britbonger and we absolutely did have the sort of jock/nerd dynamic where I grew up, but it was more focused around chav and goth types.
A girl famously got beaten to death for being a goth not far from where I lived.
yeah that was fucked Nonnie
she and her boyfriend were attacked for dressing Goth this and that running "joke" in Scotland about it being legal to slide tackle goths that lead to my friend getting harassed before she moved, there is definitely a cultural divide in the UK but it's Chavs who only wear adidas/nike vs anyone else https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sophie_Lancaster
john k has a stalker
That's fucking awesome, I hope he dreads ever encountering her and feels sick to his stomach when she messages him; poor lady, I hope she gets help
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I turned myself into a sex offender, Morty! I'm sex offender Justin Roiland, wubbalubbadubdub!
She did go to jail for harassing him, and she went kind of viral for making a comic that some free newspaper printed about what a horrible State the women's prison she went to was. And I think she got some prison reforms for female inmates at that prison because of the noise made.
Google Elana Pritchard prison
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Uh oh, I just Googled her and it looks like she been stalking a bunch of different celebrities>>1746239
You don't have any idea what you're talking about, John never dated katie, and John started dating Callie when she was in college. It was creepy but not illegal, she was an adult.
Sorry but no. Kali has never come out about it publicly as far as I know, but he started talking to Kali as a teen too. If by "college" you mean she had freshly turned 18 I suppose that could check out, I'm not sure about that part personally.
The only reason the general public knows what happened to Katie is because she wrote that big expose article about it. Kali has kept her mouth shut, I guess to keep working in animation.
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Hey nonnas, this is moreso a question since I haven't seen anyone else talk about this on the web or I couldn't find anything on it. I suspect Matt Groening has a giantess fetish, in both Futurama and Disenchantment theres an episode wherein giant women forcibly rape male character/s in a cave (the former being the focus of the episode). I also read he had ties with Harvey Weinstein, so probably a big open secret perverted freak. Am I reaching?
>>1746414> I suspect Matt Groening has a giantess fetish
I know that people say to separate the art from the artist- that art isn’t a 1:1 reflection of them but as I get older, I’m slowly realizing that this is a croke of shit.
even though the creators may not agree with some themes, they’re always putting in their perspective and interpretation of things into their work, so their own desires will always bubble into the surface even if being co-written
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Rugrats are back and they are wrecked.
Samefag, sorry for the double post, I hit reply before I was done, not sure what happened>>1746220
Elaine and John were in a relationship and then suddenly he decided they were done and dropped contact with her, only to lead her on and off for at least a year after, trying to get back with her and then dumping her again. She’s definitely mentally ill but John exploited this for a while. I swear she had posted their correspondence at one point but I can’t find it now.
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Nice graph. In addition to those shows there's also Star vs the forces of evil - The first time Alex Hirsch got his fuckbuddy her own Disney TV show. Then he did it again with Dana from the Owl House.
Lesson learnt: If you want your own Disney Cartoon show go fuck Alex Hirsch (and also drive him to work everyday because he doesn't have a license and can't drive himself or he'll have to sleep in the office again and never take a shower).
Has anyone heard of anything from thurop van orman? I heard that after his show got popular that he up and left to go teach at an art school, did he say anything about his experience as a show runner? I’m asking this because it seems like after his time, the clique are working on other projects/each other’s work still in the animation industry >>1748216
Kek, absolutely pathetic.
I’m really surprised that female show runners/women of the industry doesn’t talk about shit like this, or hint at it in an episode. Really shows that without nepotism women prob still wouldn’t get into the animation field even today
Has he still not learned how to drive?? He's 40. That's so embarassing man..
I don't think he and the Star Vs girl ever hooked up - iirc Disney wanted a girl run show because CN had Steven Universe. Dana most definitely got the job because she was slobbing on Alex's unwashed knob though
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Remember when Dana Terrace got her rabid fans to dox and harass a new anchor
I mean, fuck fox, but also what the actual fuck. Imagine you finally made it as an anchor, trying to earn a paycheck and then you get an insane upperclass artstudent who earned their show by sucking dick have their equally insane fans potentially send you death threats >you fav lumity moments
This is pretty old news. It premiered last year or 2021.>>1748101>>1748114
I hate that they made Betty a lesbian in the reboot. She stood out more as a gnc hetero woman.
The weirdest change they did was have Susie be younger so she can be in the main in-group. Then later on in the series, Kimi appears at Angelica's pre-school, aged up.
I also don't like how they turned Betty into a lesbian. Ah yes, a hetero mom who is active and has some masculine interests MUST ACTUALLY be a raging stereotypical lesbian!!!1 Nice thinking writers. Howard is completely written out, and at one point, Betty brings up a mention of an ex-gf iirc.
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To be fair it did seem like they attempted to hint at something in at least one episode of the original series where her “friend from college” visits, but I agree, I liked her and Howard as a gnc straight couple.
Allegedly he was originally supposed to showrun or direct Ducktales and bailed late in production, giving Dana his position. From there he got her a pitch session for TOH. He (again, allegedly) wrote most of the pitch/pitch bible for her.
I actually think Dana is incredibly talented and could have probably made something cool at another network but she definitely wouldn’t have gotten TOH without Alex’s interference. They were desperately looking for the next GF (DTVA is still salty about no 3rd season) and they capitalized on that.
Yeah Cosmodore was grooming him as a teenager. The fact that he’s married a toxic
woman despite everything says a lot about his autism. they’ve only dated for less than a year how does he not see the red flags?
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There’s also a story where LS Mark and Cosmo stayed in a hotel for the sonic concert and Cosmo got a king sized bedroom and Mark made him sleep on the floor.
I’ve been kinda grossed out by Groening ever since the Epstein thing came out. But for what is worth, the girl who was forced to massage his feet (the same girl who was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew) didn’t really say anything bad about him other than his feet were gross. And this seems like the only encounter between him and Epstein. He didn’t seem like a regular pal like Trump, Clinton, or Andrew. I could be wrong and we may never really know. Even if it was just one encounter, it was pretty devastating to find out. His work had a HUGE impact on my childhood. I would watch Simpsons reruns every weekday.
Regardless though, his giantess fetish shit doesn’t really bother me that much. It’s still weird as fuck but his show aren’t really geared towards children but rather adults. And it’s rather tame in comparison to some of the stuff I’ve seen on this thread. At least Futurama kinda made it work regarding that episode. I don’t remember it being ridiculously fetishy. Haven’t seen Disenchantment to really comment one way or another.
It’s insane to me how many of the commentary bros (DeOrio and co., even fucking Keemstar lmfao) are saying Just Stop crossed a line with this video & it’s a violation of privacy. I don’t think Veronica’s degeneracy has ever been private. People have been warning Mark about her since they started dating.
I guess now he’ll learn but it’ll be through the hard way. Hope the green card was worth it!
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Good news everyone
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They should just replace him with Michael Cusack. Keep the Australian accent and everything and pretend nothing has changed and never officially address it Kek
one of her former friends (Smoketheshow on twitter) already stated she was a messy alcoholic, and she cheated on Chris with Mick/Ricepirate, which was also already known. There were screenshots of Mark in the video saying she cheated on him.
Like, I hate saying 'men can be victims
' but this is the only situation where I think that's true. Mark clearly doesn't get what he's dealing with and thinks anyone warning him is just trying to fuck with his life.
At the very least he and Chris aren't on good terms, but for the most part people are more concerned about Mark than they are anything else.
Mark's a retard but it makes sense due to his age. It makes sense to question why anyone would get married so young especially to someone that volatile.
omg nona, I LOVED Clone High when I was in high school (I'm old, kek), but it's considered an "Adult animated series" and originally aired on MTV. It parodies 2000s teen sex comedies and dramas, so it really isn't meant for elementary school-aged children. The joke in that clip is dumb, but they actually have some hilarious and clever moments in the show.
It's finally getting a Season 2 after 20 years, and word on the street is that it's going to be 'woke' and have genderspecial stuff so I'm a little worried about that.
News to me, even the zoomers I work with enjoy the smashing pumpkins, kek.>>1744340Oof
, how dull & overdone. It seems extra goofy to me that there's all this evil yt ppl shit in this show, when they made the super goofy/not the brightest guy whose constantly stoned black. Like, what kind of message is that sending? Seems a lil problematic
for that crowd..>>1745896
Jesus Christ, staying with a man for YEARS after finding csa shit on his computer & not reporting it?? You gotta be fucked up mentally.>>1751701
Bluth isn't the only person who can do dark nonnie
. Neither does del Toro aim for the Disney market, not everything has to follow that standard. Kids are impressionable but they can handle whatever the hell del Toro or Tim Burton or whoever throws at them.
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Velma's mother worked in a government project called Scoobi, a brain retrieval experiment
Bluth was a staple of my childhood but his movies never seemed really dark to me, I just saw them as fun adventure movies at the time. They didn't shake me like Pan's Labyrinth did – my dad showed me that movie when I was 10 because he thought it was for kids and I was scared for a couple days and then really liked it, it was the first time an anti-war film stuck with me in a meaningful way. I am NOT saying Pan's Labyrinth is appropriate viewing for a child, I'm just saying that kids don't need to be coddled that much
(and that parents should actually pay attention to what they show their kids lmao, we still roast my dad for that one).
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So a first episode of the clone high sequel got leaked and its kinda meh, they added some new clone characters as well
The New Notable Clones:>Frida Kahlo: popular, confident, hip chick and student council president>Harriet Tubman: popular, confident, hip chick with a bit of a mean streak>Confucius: popular, confident, hip dude constantly on flipflop. actually gives terrible advice, contrary to the wisdom of his clone father.>Sacagawea: popular, confident, smart chick>Christopher Columbus: politically correct white dude who goes by the name Topher Bus to "distance himself from his clone father" who got "cancelled for being a dirtbag"
here's the mega link to the episode for anyone interested https://mega.nz/file/ZPsgwQ6b#56j-rBFIXpxZ6ihO-6gZ_EVjAFrQE0pZNG4sdbp9KZ0
The Futurama episode was a spoof of the whole Amazonian warrior sci-fi trope which is already a pretty fetish-y trope to begin with(so much of the sci-fi genre is just fetishes) so there was bound to be some fetish stuff in there whenever it was intentional or not. It wouldn't sureprise me if some stuff in that episode was intentional since the Futurama writers are huge sci-fi nerds
As other anons has mentioned Groening doesn't do much work when it comes to his cartoons so take it as you will>>1751411
god, I relate/agree with everything said here.
I expected this to be a lot worse from what anons where saying, but it had me at times. I hope this is gonna be the only episode that focuses on being "cancelled" bc it has the potential to be funny with offhand jokes but being the main focus of an episode is eyerolling.
I have hope that it'll get back on track
Just started watching but yuck, from the very first shot I could already tell the animation is lower quality than the original. The style looks good with stiff limited animation, idk why animators feel the need to tween the shit out of everything nowadays just because they can.
Also, voice acting was clearly done in people's houses during the pandemic kek.
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Late to the party with this one, but I finally went ahead and checked out the Rocko's Modern Life movie, since I hadn't seen the show since I was a kid. I shit you not:
>character (the son of Mr. and Mrs. Bighead) comes out as trans.
>Main trio's immediate reaction is "That's so cool!!!"
It was hard to watch.
Also, the character's backstory (which started in the tv show) is that he's disowned by his parents for not wanting to work at the big corporation with his dad and moves to hollywood to become a cartoonist. Of COURSE that character would become a tranny. I hate this planet kek
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The Schaffrillas yt pooper that consists of two brothers and a best friend were in a serious car accident yesterday. One brother and the friend are dead while James is in critical condition.
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Genuinely this is terrible character design KEK
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It's a weird choice, right? Also Frida Kahlo and Harriet Tubman were already throwaway background characters in season 1. I guess they had to make them into cutesy tumblr zoomers instead.
the new designs look so jarring kek like its immediately obvious which designs have stayed the same from the original and which ones are new, they look like theyre from different shows.>>1757197
these look so much better and it wouldn't have been hard for the show to simply update these character designs to make them slightly less coomery. instead we get this >>1757030
that looks like it was ripped off some 12 year olds oc sheet and palette swapped
Holy shit I thought this was some new total drama spinoff character or something. I would have never guessed it was clone high. Why couldn't they have gone with this >>1757197
did they really think people would prefer that neon monstrosity?
The new characters look like they're straight out of Total Drama Island.
Also the tweened animation feels so off and weird! It's odd seeing them bounce around and it feels too smooth, kek. The choppier animation of Season 1 (done in Flash, I think?) worked better with the flat, super-stylized, UPA-inspired character designs.
kek this is what zoomers look like though. they wear old men's shorts that look like they stuck their legs through the bottom of a bucket, and then a polo shirt that only comes to the bottom of their boobs so that their top belly roll can hang out.>>1757197
this is way better character design though.
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well this is gonna be weird
Ikr? Especially when he works with people just as bad as him.
The whole industry is infested with yes men, pedos, and upperclass/rich scum- it’s the reason why i can barely tolerate western media because their views on things just seethes into their work
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I can't stand fucking riggermortys by Dan Radlib Shyster and Pedo Roiland, bit I understand why Adult Swim can't cancel it, Rick and Morty is this generation's family guy, it is a gangbusters success and easily the most profitable property Adult Swim has ever produced. Nothing comes close. WB/Discovery is in a pretty desperate situation right now, they are billions in debt and are actively trying to stop the bleeding (in the worst, most short-term ways possible at that).
Rick and Morty will most certainly fail without Justin Roiland at the helm, which makes me happy. Especially because now every episode is tainted by the felony charges and creepy dms from Crusty Justy. But it's also a bittersweet moment, because now Adult Swim is done for certain. I knew their death was long telegraphed, especially after Discovery bought out WB, but I thought we'd optimistically another six years, now I don't even know if we'll have half that. I guess it's for the best, adult swim certainly is definitely past its prime, and barring a few exceptions its obvious that the talent is no longer there.
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‘King Of The Hill’ Revival Ordered By Hulu
>Hulu is laying out the welcome Matt for the Hill Family: the streamer is reviving King of the Hill from 20th Television Animation, with co-creators Mike Judge and Greg Daniels set to return, as well as the beloved former cast.
>Judge will reprise his role as Hank Hill, while Kathy Najimy will be back as his wife Peggy, Stephen Root as Bill, Pamela Adlon as Bobby Hill, Johnny Hardwick as Dale and Lauren Tom as Minh.
>The show, set in the fictional Arlen, Texas, follows the life of Hank Hill, an enthusiastic seller of propane and propane accessories; his wife, Peggy, the local Boggle champ and substitute teacher; and their 13-year-old son, Bobby, who defies any expectation his father had for a son. Hank’s friends — conspiracy theorist Dale, military barber Bill and cool but inarticulate Boomhauer (Judge) — along with Peggy’s friends Minh and meteorologist Nancy (Ashley Gardner), and Bobby’s friend Connie (Tom), help the Hills navigate a changing world.https://deadline.com/2023/01/king-of-the-hill-revival-hulu-original-cast-returning-1235245072/
Sorry for the late ass response but I believe you I vaguely remember hearing something about the legal cake and I can't remember from where but I did a deep dive into the whole john k thing years before he got outted because he was a known creep. I would lurk those weird blogs uhh Eddie or whatever his name is who is his biggest fanboy
I've also heard things directly from people who worked with him
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Don't know if this belongs here, but Azula will likely be given canonical redemption arc
sageing for autism
Azula desired power because she was afraid, but now the things she feared are gone so the only thing she has left to be afraid of is the monster she has become in her pursuit for power and safety
I don't know if this movie will be any good but I love Azula, unhinged women is my fucking jam, so I'm going to hope for the best from this
Anon, you inspired me to go look for the legal cake because I swore I'd seen a picture of it before, and I found it! This pic and the post about Kali's 18th birthday is still up on John K's blog: johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/11/kalis-birfday-party.html?m=1
I was slightly incorrect about some of the details of this. The cake was just a regular birthday cake and John K wrote "legal" on Kali's piece after cutting it. I guess I committed this to memory just because it grossed me out so much lol
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>>1761669>>1761677>Nothing about Azula ever suggested she would ever care about receiving forgiveness from anyone.
Azula was raised by her father to be a crazy psycho and was emotional abused by him. Her mom bailed on her (to save Zuko) and Iroh was off conquering the Earth Kingdom and then drowning in grief. Azula's only way of survival was to be cruel and ruthless but that doesn't mean that is all she is.
IMO, the point of a redemption arc with her is to put her in a place where trying to be a good person is the best out of all options available even though she really doesn't want to. (Or she does actually care about her mom, zuko, mai, tai lee, but she repressed all that due to her upbringing. Going crazy released all that and now she has to learn how to deal, but she really wants to back to being evil, but these damn feelings keep getting in the way) And she learns along the way that not being a psycho is actually better. But I do agree with you, she really shouldn't be going around seeking forgiveness. It should more be like Faith's where she went to jail, did her time, broke out to save the world and lowkey made peace with everyone.
Anyway, I just wanted her to go out in blaze of glory against Zuko (my unpopular opinion is that their fight sucked) but I'm down for this.
Fun fact, Eddie was the inspiration for Pinky from Pinky & the Brain>>1762123
Everyone involved in John’s circle at that time had weird shit on their blogs that pointed to him essentially being a cult leader to that group of girls. They seemed like the cool crowd to me back then and I was kind of envious of how close everyone seemed to be, I really wanted my own group of cartoonist girl friends to draw with but looking back, the dynamics were really unsettling. I remember there being a bunch of pics of them all on John’s bed at one point and the way he and his older cartoonist guy friends were always hanging on the younger girls never sat right with me.
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This is horrible writing, especially if it's targeted towards kids. Children don't have these stupid discussions overly online black twitter users do, they went out of their way to make black girls look bad, you cant tell me they didnt.
Also they called the white girl a Becky?
It's a reference to a line from a Beyonce song, Sorry, "Becky with the good hair" which is a description of a woman the narrator's bf was cheating on the narrator with. Which makes even less sense since because Zoey's not a side chick.
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Agree, it’s cringe and misogynistic.
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This show is gonna age so badly in just five years. The entire friend group was being a bunch of pick me girls. I don't even know why penny was so disappointed when that boy said no to her when she already HAS a boyfriend. "Preferences are bad" What a great message to push Disney. I know this show Is directed toward people who grew up on the original and not so much kids but it is pretty easy to find on Disney plus and YouTube. Here is another clip of the reboot. I don't think the message of the clip is bad but just very fucking cringe. And are they gonna address he black people who sold their own into slavery or no? kek and Zoey is apparently Jewish according to the fandom wiki.
90% of today's children's media is also targeted adults. Which makes me worry that children are forced to grow up faster because the subjects their media is dealing with. I haven't seen the episode so I don't know if the boy they are talking about is in the wrong for hating girls of color, or if the girls are in the wrong for being against interracial couples. It's not that children aren't aware of any of these issues but there must be a better way to approach this when talking to children. I don't think it's wrong to talk about racism with children but framing it trough dating and have the girls attack each other seems a bit too heavy for children>>1763056>Why are these black girls calling themselves chocolate and caramel?
it was such a weird decision
>>1763355>Was there a moral at the end of this episode or-
'Girls should stick together because boys are overrated.' This was said at the end of the episode by the new woke character after they all apologized to each other. And, 'don't treat your friends badly because they are dating a jerk' and 'stick up for friend if your other friends are being mean to them.'>>1763378>Zoey is the one who apologize
They also apologized to Zoey.
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The problem with that message is it doesn't line up with their actions, penny and her friends only "forgave" zoey after she had broken up with her boyfriend and then not even a full minute later zoey ends up with another guy, its kinda dumb and "their girlfriend group" also includes Michael(a boy), they also try to shill various hotep associated books throughout the show, like picrel which tries to claim that black people were in the Americans before Columbus and were the one's solely responsible for civilization in mesoamerica
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Justin Roiland was a fucking creep this whole time and an immature lazy trubocoomer who was difficult work with, Here's a long Hollywood Reporter article about the implosion of Justin Roiland's careerhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/justin-roiland-animation-empire-implosion-rick-and-morty-1235319366/
>On Jan. 12, NBC News revealed that Roiland was facing two felony charges stemming from an alleged 2020 domestic violence incident that occurred with a woman he was dating at the time. That August, he was arrested and released on bail. Roiland has pleaded not guilty. The news, which blindsided both his employers and his colleagues, was greeted with an outpouring of other troubling revelations surrounding his online interactions, with multiple women publishing lewd messages they claimed to have received from Roiland. He direct-messaged former Mad magazine editor Allie Goertz, a longtime fan who was prepping a Rick and Morty concept album: “Can you write a song about 9 Dick’s of different sized and ethnic origins hanging above your face, and then in the lyrics describe how they each splatter you with semen.” He allegedly messaged another woman, who posted the exchange using an anonymous Twitter account and claimed to have been underage when they began corresponding, “You should just run away from home and go into sex slavery YOU FUCKING STUPID FAGGOT BITCH (!!!) (Jk).”>Over the next two weeks, insiders say, advertisers panicked, lawyers huddled and, ultimately, one of the biggest names in animation watched as his career imploded. Roiland was stripped of his lucrative overall deal at Disney’s 20th Television Animation, and both Adult Swim (Rick and Morty) and Hulu (Solar Opposites, Koala Man) released statements that they had severed ties. Roiland will be replaced as the voices of Rick, Morty and Solar‘s alien scientist Korvo going forward. Even Squanch Games, the video game studio that he co-founded in 2016, announced that he’d resigned as CEO. Roiland, who declined to comment for this story, is due back in court for another pretrial hearing in late April.>To many of Roiland’s colleagues, the criminal charges came as a shock, but they also point to workplace behavior that has made them uncomfortable for years. According to multiple sources, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity, Roiland once paraded a high-profile porn star through the Rick and Morty writers room, openly discussed threesomes and was involved in at least one instance of alleged sexual harassment during the show’s third season, notably its first with female writers. >More recently, multiple sources say that Roiland, other than voice work, has not had any meaningful creative presence on any of the series that bear his name. In fact, many of his former colleagues say they haven’t heard from him in years, and when they have, it’s been unpleasant. They note, too, that he hasn’t been on speaking terms with his Rick and Morty co-creator, Dan Harmon, for multiple seasons, and a substantial number of staffers on that show as well as Solar Opposites and Koala Man have never actually met Roiland, even over Zoom.>Rick and Morty began almost blissfully. Harmon had met Roiland through Channel 101, a monthly short film festival that Harmon had co-founded, and he took a liking to Roiland’s subversive work. “I would make stuff that was kind of intended to just shock people, [leaving audiences] screaming and people covering their eyes, groaning,” Roiland said in 2014. Harmon, who had just been fired from his cult NBC comedy Community over his chaotic leadership style, was approached by Adult Swim — he worried, however, that he wouldn’t be able to “fit in” with the network’s renegade brand on his own.>In short order, the duo sold an idea born from one of Roiland’s zanier shorts, an off-color parody of Back to the Future‘s Marty McFly and Doc Brown, where Doc repeatedly convinces “Mharti” to lick his balls. Unlike Community, where horror stories about late nights and brutal working conditions were well reported, Rick and Morty was, as Harmon once described it, “easy and fun.” In those early days, he and Roiland were said to be an ideal match: “While Harmon would be writing really funny jokes, Justin would get up and draw a really funny drawing, and that, combined, is what led to the smart, silly sort of gumbo that turned into Rick and Morty,” recalls a show source.>Harmon, who has never been shy about his sky-high standards, was determined to make season two even better. “And when Harmon wants something to be even better, it means later nights, it means being more careful, it means saying yes to fewer silly ideas, and Justin is the king of silly ideas,” says a source. Harmon enlisted a few Community writers who, one insider notes, didn’t treat Roiland with the same kind of reverence that the Channel 101 writers had the previous season. The room became clubbier, and not nearly as much fun — there were now “Dan’s guys,” a more cerebral, structured set, and “Justin’s guys,” a zany collection of artists, “and they just weren’t going to mix,” notes a source. “Dan is all on the page and mathematical about story breaking, and these guys that Justin hired were like, ‘Look, I drew a turd with eyes, let’s do a story about that.’ ” (Harmon didn’t respond to THR‘s requests for comment.)>By season three, Rick and Morty had hired its first batch of female writers, which didn’t stop Roiland and others from doodling penis monsters and other vulgar characters on the office whiteboards. As one show source recalls, Roiland could still be highly engaged and appropriately silly, though too often he was “surly, petulant, uncommunicative and grouchy, like he always wished he was doing something else.” According to another show source, he was easily distracted, too; the writers would regularly walk over to a Toys R Us, where they would buy action figures or Nerf guns, and “then he played with them the rest of the day and we couldn’t get any work done.” Other show sources say he’d derail pitches and interrupt with sophomoric non sequiturs like, “What if his brains were on the outside?” It reached a point where multiple sources say it was easier when Roiland wasn’t in the room.>At some point during the third season of Rick and Morty, multiple sources say Roiland simply stopped showing up — and when he did turn up in the Burbank offices, he’d typically avoid the writers room. In fact, Roiland’s colleagues often knew he was there only because they could hear his dogs. Or they’d hear his remote-control toy car, which had a microphone on top of it, zooming around the office. At least once, Roiland sent it into the writers room, says a source. “You wouldn’t have seen him in weeks, and then you’d see the car come in, which was insane.” (A source close to Roiland points out that many showrunners step away from successful shows once they’ve been established to tackle other projects.) Roiland would make exceptions to bring through famous fans, of which Rick and Morty has legions; at various points, his visitors included Kanye West, the comedians on Impractical Jokers and porn star Riley Reid, who gifted the room a succulent.>By that time, Roiland had a girlfriend, who became a fiancée, and he would talk openly about their penchant for threesomes. “It was something we just ignored because it was disgusting,” says an insider. A source close to Roiland contends that the threesome discussions were in the context of plotline. Multiple sources say it was also during that period that Roiland sent a female employee a “really creepy” text, late at night, requesting that she come to his home (they declined to name the staffer). “She didn’t want to run it up the flagpole,” says one of the sources, “and then it was just this really fucked-up, awkward thing.”>In the years since, Roiland’s involvement on Rick and Morty has largely been relegated to voicing characters, for which he’d take no direction and record from his home. In fact, it has been years since anyone can remember him stepping foot in the show’s writers room, even when it’s been virtual. >“The reason that I posted my DMs was to add to the mountain of evidence and the pattern of behavior,” tattoo artist Veronika Sweeney tells THR of the messages she released in which Roiland asks if she has a boyfriend and suggests they meet at Comic-Con. Former Mad editor Goertz, who posted an exchange in which Roiland requested that she write a song about a crude sexual act, says that she also received pornographic GIFs and propositions from him, telling THR: “I really think that he, in a lot of ways, took advantage of someone who couldn’t have been a bigger fan.”>Old interviews that Roiland had done were suddenly being resurfaced, too. Back in 2011, appearing on a podcast, he joked that he would be attracted to “a fucking 14-year-old that looks like she’s 18 and [has] big titties” and riffed on Dateline NBC‘s “To Catch a Predator” segments. (In the same breath, he added, “I’m not a pedophile though.”) His work, which has long made comedy hay of subjects like incest and sexual deviance, was now being viewed through a different lens.>his former colleagues have soldiered on, making comedy that no longer feels quite as funny as it once did. “It’s heartbreaking,” says a show source. “Now everything is going to have an asterisk on it.”
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Same anon, here it is:http://crackedanim.blogspot.com/2008/02/seriously.html
Comments seem to be gone now unfortunately but I remember them being pretty juicy. This guy still has a number of unflattering caricatures of John up on his blog.
His blog was really influential and helpful for me when I was first starting out. He was giving out a ton of helpful information for free at the time, but his personality has always been shit. I think it’s actually why so many gravitated to him. Being “tolerated” by John was a badge of honor to a lot of people.
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Oops forgot my pic, kek
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I genuinely do not get what people are talking about when they call this man a genius. I do get how his blog could have been a helpful resource but also there's shit like this which is honestly repulsive. I've always hated his art style and I'm not too keen on his style of animation either. Ironically the women around him who he "mentored" are more talented. Always have been a big fan of Katie rice.
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Gotta post the one they did for Mike, lmao
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Yes that was Robyn byrd I think she was underage at the time
Thanks anon. That’s so funny I hope it’s true.
(when did SA make archives free?)
Forgot to sage sorry, wanted to add>>1764345
Yes, and >>1764265
is the one who drove her. John didn’t even go to the appointment.
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I'm wondering how their gonna continue the series without him
>he does 90% of the voices
>he does all the improvisation
>he invented the show premise and all the characters
even if you hate him now, you can't deny what he did. he was unarguably the most significant person
Except that >>1764380
isn't right about the writing. Roiland hasn't been involved with the show much after season 2. So not really much change. Roiland also only does like 3 voices so at least if there's one thing that's sure to improve its quality of voice acting.
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Jessica Borutski was working with him around the same time but I don't think she's ever talked about him. Seems like things turned out alright for her though.
Marlo worked or was mentored by John? That explains her artstyle so much.
What is she doing nowadays? Only thing I know is that she's married to Nick Cross.
She is or was reposting her old vines on IG last I checked. Still friendly with John in spite of him being a pedo (who also leaked her nudes) but no longer has contact with Kali or Katie.
Also not to blogpost but back in the day she supposedly failed to deliver multiple expensive caricature commissions because she was “busy with Vine” lol. She is a phenomenal painter, though.
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Surprised more people don't talk about Raye Rodriguez(TIF creator of very inclusive and woke High Guardian Spice) admitted to casually browsing 4chan
This is from 2018, but damn this self-admitted "uke" with the deviantart artsyle and toddler level writing abilities still holds faith in her crappy show to this day.
I'm sure she's a treat to work with, too.
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I don't know if she's a pedo or not, but her twitter page is typical for a fujotroon, filled with fan art of small feminine ukes that look like little boys paired with teenage looking seme's
how can the showrunner of an animated series backed by crunchyroll have art that bad and such a poor grasp of colour theory, wtf. her banner is making my eyes bleed.
There's an update on this from Veronica herself:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVSrhp1Bs3g
Didn't expect it to become a bigger, more public issue.(please embed )
Lmao 4chan shits on HGS more than anywhere else on the internet. Some selective reading going on, huh Raye?>>1768095
This. There's been a bunch of 90% likely Ian Jones-Quartey posts on /co/ over the years, and the people who worked on that awful live-action Reboot show went on /co/ to vent about how awful production was.
knowing about 4chan and actually going there are two separate things >>1768430
they go to /co/mblr not the rest of 4chan
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she definitely doesn't have a wife, she considers herself a "gay uke" not a straight man and she made this when she was in her late 20's btw
Jones-Quartey is a weeb and a coomer and 4chan has really easy access to drawn porn.
The Reboot thing was just such a trashfire that people needed to vent about it somewhere they could be anonymous and not get fired.
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Sorry for the image quality but I wanted to talk about Pan. I hate to criticize people for dressing as they wish. But this style doesnt fit him well imo. It seems like he's really into it because hes been posting a lot on Instagram. Also it seems that he possibly has a new GF.
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The gf seems to be an uwu genderqueer who's only 22, she's been obsessed with him since she was a kid and still makes at least 16 tweets a day about him. She's also fucked her way into being the new Pizza Party Podcast Co-host and made cover art that looks like a 16 yr old drew it.
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Here’s a full fit because he looks stupid as hell.
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>all those theories made about the Gems being a synthetic weapon race created by long extinct masters to fight a war against a dangerous and unknown threat, attempting to justify/rationalize Homeworld's aggressive planet busting resource harvesting and militarized dictatorial culture
>actually the Gems were alone in the galaxy, never encountered sapient life before humanity and so far only seem to have fought one minor rebellion against themselves where they went straight for committing body horror atrocities on their own soldiers
now I think SU detractors go a little too far(like seriously, we have an unhealthy amount of people who unironically think Rebecca Sugar supports fascism or genocide or whatever all because they lack basic media literacy) but this was just worst attempt at trying to retroactively whitewash characters I have ever seen
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bump for CP
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I don't wanna seem like I'm defending the show but there were multiple writers and storyboard artist working on the show all of whom probably didn't know how SU was gonna end and that's one of the biggest reasons there's such a tonal whiplash with regards to how the diamonds are characterized, specifically writer Raven Molisee was the one focused more on the imperialism aspects of the Diamond's and Gem society(she's also the one wrote and did the storyboard art for some of the body horror episodes like Frybo and So many birthdays)
I don’t see them killing off Kahn, he’s literally Hank’s antagonist (at least neighbour wise). I would be okay with them having someone else do the voice (and perhaps real Laotian instead of gibberish when he speaks it) but only because I want this show to work and don’t want it to get “cancelled”.
I love KOTH so much, I just want it to be good.
SU writing sucks, the only thing good about the show was that it was able to breakdown(albeit half assed) social norms at the time.
Literally the writing was whatever the cast wanted it to be, there is no standard, and to this day I’m surprised people think that it’s good, especially in one sitting.>>1774074
Then Rebecca Sugar should’ve reign in the show, it’s hers afterall- and I know not every creative has an idea on how their project should end but jc, she really didn’t know how to tell her storyboarders “no” and just write the thing herself.
The style of directing that she chose for the show would’ve been better if it was like flapjack or adventure time, where there really isn’t an “arc” or full storyline
Sorry for the autism sperg but I really hate that this show is the “ pinnacle“ of modern day ‘deep’ storytelling
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from what I understand the first 3 seasons of SU were basically various storyboard artist writing their own separate beach city AU episodes(something genuinely never done before) that's why there was often such big tonal whiplash in between the episodes and why random characters showed up only to disappear and never be seen again
here's a list of all the writers and what episodes they wrtoehttps://imgur.com/a/tCstI
I genuinely fell in love with the show when I was younger and I couldn't believe a few of my friends really liked it too but damn as time went on it just kept dropping the ball from so many angles. For me the pacing, the schedule and pointless episodes royally screwed it up and I felt the crew had no idea how to end it or they botched a morale they were trying to get across
I honestly wished SU would have gotten cancelled around S3, that might have saves the series reputation
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Pan Pizza/Rebel Taxi may possibly be trooning out?
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God, the coolest thing in the show were the aliens. Let us have cool, militaristic race of made-to-order weapon aliens. Every time I get reminded of the writing's wasted potential I just weep, because they could have done something so cool and so interesting and unique but they just… didn't. >>1775049
Not surprised in the sliiiiightest, he ticks all the boxes of the pornsick guy who transitions.>>1774035
pic related, were they just fighting wars against the local fauna? So there is other life, but not intelligent sapient life other than humans and gems?
Looking at that picture, I really hated how that whole "Steven is not his mom" shit went nowhere and let it drag on and on the way it did. When it was just Rose, he actually started to question if he should be like his mom after learning what she really did during the gem war and Bismuth straight up said he doesn't have to be like his mom, then Rose was Pink Diamond twist happened and now Steven just accept every terrible, selfish thing she did like: "Meh, she had her reasons. It's fine" until the narrative (randomly) decided to stop defending Pink to a degree.
Also there was no reason for Steven to dress up as her for the Diamonds other than Rebecca just wanted to see Steven in a female outfit again
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>>1775261> were they just fighting wars against the local fauna?
yeah there was that one episode in "Future" where they're terraforming some planet and theres only little creatures
maybe it's kind of a nitpick but lapis is always drawn so ugly
There's a reason why so many people started watching the show after the Garnet vs Jasper episode, including me, it was because of the potential it showed only to drop the ball over and over later on.>>1775049
Wouldn't surprise me, no. It also wouldn't surprise me if it turns out the annoying girl is pushing for it too.
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since this is the unofficial cartoon discussion thread as well, can we talk about how much of clusterfuck the ending of Star Vs. was, it started off as a simple and fun lighthearted show and then out of nowhere it became a heave handed colonialism allegory
I will admit that I was so completely disillusioned by the end that I laughed my ass off at the idea of Solaria trucking a peasant girl who admired her into becoming a retard-strength superhuman for the sake of her monster genocide, only to suddenly look at her with disdain at the end when said peasant girl tries to genocide monsters. I like how she just completely gets away with all of it and pretends she never had anything to do with it, it's beautiful.
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>>1775838>a bunch of british colonial settlers stumbled upon a water well portal in fucking California
It would have made more sense if the well portal was in New England
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This is the closest you will ever get to her talking about any possible backlash.
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and last one
idk who this is but the picture of him >>1769884
literally looks like a picture of a guy with his job in 2001 so if that's what he's trying to do then he's doing great. personally i hate that y2k men's alt hair, they weren't expected to put effort in outside of trad goth communities back then
samefag wait i take it back. his clothes in >>1770970
are all wrong. the purple autismo hair and tshirt pic is still ok
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Okay, Im not the only one who finds neon caffeine a little annoying? I felt bad about it because its common people are sexist when a YouTuber gets a new GF so I wanted to give her a fair shot. I really did but she's just so loud on the podcast episode she's a guest in. It feels like they let a 15 year old fangirl onto an episode and she can barely contain herself. She tries to joke with pan but it kinda feels like she's trying to mimic Izzy or something? Its bizarre. I dont see the relationship lasting super long. The new podcast definitely won't last a month.
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>>1775770>>1775982>Mewmans are symbolic for white colonialism>Monsters are the native race kicked out by the invaders>Toffee is actually just fighting out of revenge of his people>Eclipsa was the one Queen who listened to the monsters and fell in love with one>She in turn is demonized by the Mewmans >This leads to star deciding to destroy all magic and merge the human and monster realms
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i was a teenager when svtfoe was a thing and let me just say, i took way too much inspo from it and it fucked up my artstyle. thats most of what i hate about it. also star and marcos relationship was so fucking tacky and obvious. i get that its a kids show but its so obvious that they end up together at the end. also the kiss scene near the end? seriously? theyre in a fucking pigpen. like. why.
i hated tom but i kinda wish the creators made star get with him at the end just to get people angry. i wouldve loved to see all petty shit that couldve happened.
fuck, now i feel like watching a few episodes in my own distastefully nostalgic way.
>>1776252>I took way too much inspo from it and it fucked up my artstyle
posters like you casually proving >>1726920
right jfc. not even disagreeing on your points on the show, but your art style got fucked up because you were bad at drawing
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considering the fact that fact marco is based on her husband(down to them both being half Latinos) it was always gonna be the end ship
Californians continuing to show that they know nothing outside of their state and refuse to hire anyone else.
A little out of box, but I’m kinda tired of all these showrunners trying to convince their audience that their shows are mature when they write like elementary kids and think that their shows are deep when it includes “imperialism” “death” ect. Like, yes, those can be deep topics but these writers completely forget that they actually need to implement context and they never involve it unless they need it for a plot point.
It’s like, I get it, that in the western world, animation is seen as a “kids” genre, and if it’s an adult animation that you get shit like family guy and hazbin hotel but holy shit there’s next to no variety for people who enjoy animation/shows that aren’t based on a day-to-day life >>1776238
Tbh, Eclipsa was the only good thing from the show >>1776449
,,, have you ever gone to a convention or seen all these content creators…?
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Eclipsa was the best character tbh. She’s a baddie.
Ngl I agree with nonnies that SVTFE should have been like 1-2 seasons. I also think star and Marco should have stayed platonic. It sucks when discourse of the show is ruined by shipping.
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Why do monsters have to be an allegory for non-white people? Star, The PowerPuff girls, and MLP to an extent all did this and it was underdeveloped and came off as extremely tone deaf.
Since Pan & his gf were brought up, I'm surprised no one has discussed one of her past controversies, lmfao. Sage bc this is kinda old news.
Forgive the fact the video is by some moid with video game footage in the background, but it's pretty comprehensive.
>Neoncaffeine (or mango) manipulated/convinced an autistic man they knew online to go on a roadtrip with her to vidcon
>said autistic man couldn't discern someone using him over genuine friendship (no surprises there)
>mango begged him for a gopro so that they could film the trip together
>said autistic man supposedly had a loan from his brother to make the trip since he didn't have much of his own money
>mango proceeded to spend thousands of dollars from this man, apparently 1,000 was spent before the trip even started so that she could hire a pet sitter last minute
>much of the money spent went to covering hotels and restaurant food for mango specifically, apparently when this autistic guy tried to budget or was hesitant to spend money, mango would try over and over to spend more on unnecessary bullshit
>having him bend over backwards to do random shit for her with the promise that he'd be able to collaborate with other creators, but as of now, none of that has happened
>she states in a tweet about this situation that both her & Blake (autistic man who's the subject of the video) are autistic, but that comes off as more of an attempt to cover her ass
>tries to cover by arguing both she and blake were irresponsible with money, not just herself
FWIW this video was mostly based on testimony from the friend of Blake, but considering NC made her own tweets defending herself on the subject there has to be some kernel of truth here. I don't see what someone would have to gain from lying about a below Z-tier YouTube animator. And, tbh, her relationship with RT comes off as an insane grift on her end.
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Holy shit I generally thought these were edited, I had no idea they were realhttps://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/286604038110334976
She just comes off as a serious grifter imo. I don't think Pan is a victim
here, he's the older party & is an adult who's capable of vetting out partners. But I can't imagine she's dating him for anything other than YouTube cartoon community recognition, whatever the fuck that's worth.
Monsters have always been a metaphor for “the other”. It can be an analogy for a cultures’ fears or be blatantly used as a metaphor for minorities, nonny
. Don’t act like it’s anything new.
I would be more worried about the trend in modern stories retelling the story of imperialism, and the white upper class person being the savior
So you’re telling me that Tara was possibly a pick-me or genuinely had an interest in this coomerbrain shit?
Disgusting, thought that she was one of the few only good showrunners
don't get me wrong, I don't think pan is a "victim
" either, just saying that no real feminist/activist would ever willingly be in a relationship with pan
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there's more >>1777834
also the monsters are only referred to as monsters by the mewmans, they are actually separate species(the kappas, Septarian, frog-men) that the mewmans lumped into one group
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Kek, it feels so narcissistic that she hurt people in this situation and then made this cutesy drawing of herself as if she’s the quirky main character in a reverse harem anime or something
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Tara has always been such a pickme and sexualizes herself and her characters, it's creepy. Also this was weird as hell, slapping the ass of her colleague, 60-year-old E.G. Daily (the voice of Tommy Pickles) while on Tara's bed.
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She also has 2 sons, and at least one of them looks like he's into degenerate DDLG shit. He posted a (now removed) TikTok of himself walking his "little baby girlfriend" on a leash through a mall. Jesus
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didn't realize tara separated her husband but the guy in that video is her bf. I went to check out his twitter and he's like a web3/nft loser something about his business seems sus as fuck.
attached photo related, the website seems so dodgy. Unrelated to animation so sage'd
samefagging but, 2 minutes in>the stupid bird that wont shut up>neoncaffeine making jokes about how she fucks pan and being annoying as usual>that guy with the faggy voice
fuck no, i am out.
dunno he is>>1785821
thats such a dumb excuse, creativity has nothing to do with being 20 or being 50. If the best you can come up with all the freedom the internet gives you is ''tom and jerry…but in high school'' then you are a creatively bankrup person. His art is also awful for a 20yo. I really hate these dumb youtubers thinking they are good enough to make their own show.
The only positive was no Stolas appearance. Spoilered for spoilers. Mob daddy, although for ffs Vivi get more creative with designs, had potential but fuck competent writing. The dildos and bed were pointlessly stupid and done for shock value. More daddy issues, yawn. The lack of any personality besides hot tempered badass wifu who is the muscle and loves her husband for Millie is insulting. Literally no fucking development again although not fucking surprising. >it's written like fanfiction because she just wants to pander to fujios in the name of ~representation~. the "character" chaz in this episode is such an obnoxious literal faggot that only exists to spout out sex jokes every 10 seconds and to be a reason for moxie to flat out say "i'm bisexual!!!!" holy shit, i don't give a fuck who these characters want to fuck.
Exactly how I felt. I want to see action, the jobs these dorks take, the clientele, the targets, and how the rest of hell looks like since there's a hierarchy. I know I'm whining but the mob angle had so much potential to work with.
Another one of Vivzie's signature "poor bby gays" episodes. I kinda enjoy Millie despite her being a pretty one-note character but the "hot but violent wife" trope is getting old, they can't just use her as a violent deus ex machina all the time.>>1786996>mob angle had so much potential to work with.
The entire show in a nutshell. I honestly quite enjoyed the first season, it was chaotic and stupid but it was fun to watch (but I'm also a sucker for the "asshole with a heart of gold" character trope). This one has only been one attempt after another to give character's "depth". Vivziepop desperately needs a competent co-writer, because her ideas aren't all that bad she just needs someone to reel in her fujo side and help her understand pacing.
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noticed troon cringe in the background. wish vivzie would tone down her tumblr behavior.
I'd argue this devolvement is even worse, cause now moxxie has a sad gay backstory with an over the top abusive
and homophobic father, also the backstory doesn't even make sense in universe, its Hell his mother should not be opposed to Moxxie learning to kill people, we saw Millie's family kill random people all the time as jokes, plus Moxie also murders innocent humans(including children) as a job
Vivzie STILL keeps focusing on the poor gay boys by using the same abusive
dad trope for all of them (seriously, Stolas has an asshole dad, Blitzo most likely has an asshole dad, now Moxxie has an abusive
dad) and refuses to properly develop her female characters. They're literally just 1 dimensional props to push forward the shitty male ships and characters.
Overall this episode was very mediocre. Moxxie's father reveal was barely dramatic, the shark guy was annoying and his attempt to fool Crimson was conveyed in like two fucking frames (also I was annoyed by how they kept zooming in on his face with the same exact grin, it's not that good), Moxxie's flashback was maybe the only nice thing, and then the resolution is once again Millie going batshit and killing everyone.
It's funny because Moxxie already did get some sort of development through what was supposed to be Millie's moment with her family, and now we could have gotten some development for her through Moxxie's family but no, it's just another episode almost entirely focused on him, him being gay, the gay shark, Blitzo being gay and his mob dad.
And a lot of gay sex jokes as filler because they really didn't want to put some well thought out development there, only sex jokes ansd ship drama.
Long review below, spent about half an hour yesterday ranting to my sister about the absolute waste of time watching this was.
Objectively the worst episode of the show so far in every way possible. The 'jokes' were a waste of time, the new characters were mostly filler and the animation was lacking.
I can understand how difficult and painstaking animation is: I've watched it all my life and seen my fair share of mediocrity. That being said, this episode looks significantly worse than all those that came before it including
the pilot. There are moments that are hard to follow with off-putting smears and generally underwhelming visuals. The fight scene at the end was near unwatchable and so hard to follow. The dildos in the background (more about that shit below) were annoying as shit too.
The comedy was abysmal. I already expect mostly juvenile 'comedy' in this series so my expectations were low but HOLY SHIT. Not a single joke landed. Even more so if you're at least 13. There was a scene that was supposed to be serious between Moxie and his dad, Crimson. This scene has themes of abuse which is completely destroyed when Crimson demonstrates his homohate by… pressing a button that reveals all these colourful dildos that thrust into the air. Why? Because apparently this should be funny.
The characters are annoying (as always to a degree) but this shark guy is the worst. He makes strange quips about sex and his dick the whole time for whatever reason. Millie acts on another level of annoying this episode because she can't stand him. Even the soundtrack of the episode is obnoxious with the immersion breaking change in genre every time the shark prick talks. It's honestly the worst.
The only segment worth watching is Moxie's backstory involving his faceless mum, her death and his eventual partaking in the mafia. Every other second of this episode felt like a waste of my life.
I'd listen to the Ozzy song 25 times in a row over watching this garbage again.
Feel bad for double posting but yes. I write as a hobby so this is just my opinion but when people write for fandom bait it shows.
She writes like a fangirl and it shows:
-character depth is only explored through tragedy
-characters share a lot in common
-antagonists have very little nuance (homohaters, rapists and other scumbags)
-female characters are sidelined
It's a shame because it does take real work to manage a team and animate. If they had more talented writers working with the material it could have been great.
>>1786889>vivziepop have a fleshed out female character challenge
To echo what some anons said upthread and in the previous thread, I hope that for hazbin hotel they booted her ass
out of the writer's room. I don't even know if she's genuinely a bad writer or has terminal fandom shipper disease at this point.
Also, I wonder what was happening behind the scenes. This episode's animation was noticeably and glaringly worse. Also the worst plot so far of any episode in this show or hazbin hotel. Wtf?
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Someone really needs to show vivzie how to use this.
Despite Millie(& Loona) are secondary characters they feel like tertiary figurants.
I just see Loona as a fetish character for guys with furry & goth chick fetishes.
I can only suppose Vivienne had always intended Blitzo & Moxxie to be THE main focus of the series.
If you think about it.
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Surprised no one's posted the official Hazbin Hotel prequel comic
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Angel Dust is so incredibly annoying… you can tell Vivzie really wants to give him the spotlight but everything about him is grating. She wants to put all his favourite tropes on him, so he ends up being a flamboyant faggot, a twink, a drug addict, a mobster, a prostitute/drag queen and also a sad sad gay boy uwu.>>1788389
He's supposed to resemble a drag queen prostitute, so he uses the fluff as boobs.>>1788392
Please stop with the fujo talk no one cares.
honestly at this point i'm getting tired of this shit
this show isn't going in a direction thats giving me any hope that it will outgrow its awkward stage and be the kind of show i hoped it would be.
is every fucking conflict in this show going to have something to do with daddy issues? Angel, Charlie, Stolas, Blitz, and now Moxxie. Its getting fucking ridiculous at this point. And thats combined with the fact, as other nonnas stated, that show feels more like a weepy fanfic of the show it would normally be if it didn't have a massive fucking fujo and a self-inserting faggot at the helm, and that most of what the show offers in terms of humour is the same "cock, cum, shit, piss, fuck" shit that shows the showrunners have the brow-height of a juvenile 16 year old and haven't grown past that one iota. Looking back at the Hazbin Hotel pilot though, I don't know what I expected. Maybe they would cool off of that shit and try make the humour and conflict a little more subtle and dimensional? Maybe handle the emotional stakes with a little more flow instead of this constant swing between realistic crying and angst and le wacky dick jokes for the whole episode? IDK, I'm just burnt out. maybe this just isn't my show but honestly I feel like some of the smutty fanfic shit I've read has more depth to it than this. I wanted to care about these characters but if it's just going to be more of this, I won't even bother watching one more episode.
and also all of this on top of vivzie being a stereotypical twitter shitlib and michael kovach getting shafted. fuck me this stinks.
THANK YOU for saying this. Even pretty normal clothing (eg maid dresses, school uniform) has been ruined by people sexualising it, if you slap it on a man it immediately becomes sexy. Women's lingerie is seen as sexy on men just because it's 'women's clothes.' The entire femboy sissy kink is based off misogyny, the belief that being seen as a woman is both humiliating and sexy. You don't get that with tomboys or masculine women in general.
OT but I'm glad to see other people think the same. Even woke genderspecial types subscribe to it, it makes me want to sperg like nothing else.
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There was also one more Alastor Prequel Comic, where not much actually happens
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Their eyes look so fucking vapid. The plot and title was supposed to be different it was supposed to be “meet the gillmans” and would focus on her family and blending into human society.
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This feels like a mix of other popular media tbh. Like they saw the popularity of Splatoon in 2015 and said "oh squid kids is where it's at rn!", she even looks a lot like the sea anemone character. Then add on the success of Luca, which was very similar to the original theme of this movie and then of course the even bigger success of "turning red" and thus they went "oh, we'll make it a kaiju movie about being a awkward teen girl! jackpot."
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I mean, not hugely, but it did pretty okay considering it didn't have a proper release in theaters due to covid.
It reminds me of Splatoon too, it looks like it will be a fun and silly movie which I think people need right now after all these deep and meaningful animations over the last few years. But the low detail faces I do find a bit jarring and I hated the main character design in Turning Red, something very ugly about characters that have huge gaping mouths and low detail faces. And the trailer spoiled ending looks Moana or Ponyo inspired.
But more genuinely silly animations are a good thing at least.
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Truly groundbreaking character design from Vivziepop
My exact thoughts. Even before seeing this trailer, recently I was thinking how bored I am of the “girls who are prettier and more popular than me are evil” trope. Like half of bullies are spiteful NLOGs who see themselves as this kind of poor unappreciated victim
Anyway the animation in this movie is mediocre and jarring and they already did a much more compelling “beauty has different forms and isn’t everything, being different is what makes you great and happy” with Shrek 1 and 2 which have actual good character designs.
I'm not even a disney fan but the mermaid being an obvious jab at Ariel really made me role my eyes.
Also disappointing that we see the villain's final form in the trailer but that's not the fault of the movie makers but on the marketing team>>1791505>>1791529
I agree which is why the disney jab is more cringey. Beside the two studios rivalry it feels like it's pandering to kids who thinks they are too cool for Disney and wants to see disney heros get beaten up.
It just feels so outdated. The rivalry between awkward-girl and hot-girl trope has been critised so much specially on social media. I don't event think zoomer girls likes it
I like this, but >she’s shy and loves to go to the beach>she loves to clean up the beach and help animals>one day>she saves a turtle>touches sea water
If she loves the beach to begin with, why wouldn't she already have touched sea water in the past? Never even been splashed?
>>1792328>the success of the Puss in Boots movie
I still don’t understand why ppl are praising this movie like a nominee. Like it was good, but not crazy good. Like, I’m convinced the only reason why it became so popular is bc we haven’t had a “good” piece of animation in a while
A little off topic, but I noticed that the ‘spider verse animation’ style and it’s incorporation of drawn 2d to 3d models/world build is becoming more popular and can’t say that I hate it in the slightest >>1792333>can you believe it???! written, directed, animated by one person???
Rip other indie creators out there who do this very thing >>1792548
Can you explain this? Sorry I’m not an animator but most of the models look 3d with 2D drawn features
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What is it about Molly that makes Noelle want to declare these almost pathetic declarations of love and worship towards her?
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picrel is her most recent comic about her and Molly
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she made these less then a month ago, 1/3.
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I thought about it as I progressed with the story and I like to think that it would be like, in that particular moment in which she’s holding the turtle to send it back to the ocean, the prophecy would begin, maybe there could be a sequence of her 16th birthday party or something so it’s like “on your 16th birthday you will become a cool sea warrior” kind of thing.
My artistic rendition of how it would look like is pic related.
. You're kind of cute.>>1792814>wearing hat +10 bathroom safety>but +20 to getting chased out of bars by concerned citizens>and +30 to making a random old man enemy
Yeah of course, everyone knows you'll get beat up, hate-crimed, and chased out of bars for… wearing a hat.
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Tbh no one seems to be on his side tho judging by the replies.
Also wasn’t the main reason people were dropping him was more about dms with teens and super creepy podcast
YEP. He and his lawyers are being careful to tiptoe around that. Also the top comment on this in the Rick and Morty subreddit is>"I’ve read the DMs, that’s why you got cancelled not because of the trial."
It makes me cackle with glee seeing the fanboys turn against him
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leaked character designs from a new The Fairly OddParents Reboot
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Hope middle school is treating you right nonnie
Cringe. No way this gets greenlit, I bet "they" get turned into a guy
Lmao wasn't Butch Hartman making content for hardcore Christian channels? Hilariously ironic.
Also these designs are hideous. They look like baby's first CG project.
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its not enough to say your car broke down, but that you were also part of a shoot out lmao?? the grift keeps on grifting
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the previous post
(this is replying to something from last thread but I had to)>>1585128>>1585572
The rugrats staff drew porn of the rugrats characters.
Sure, it's disgusting, but then its also just art. Nobody is getting hurt.
Kids these days legit need to get fucking offline and touch some grass instead of actively looking for cartoon porn and then spiraling into tantrums when they find it.
Generally kids these days seem to be a lot more retarded than we were when we were kids.
If I found some choice yaoi on tumblr despite being underage myself I fucking kept being underage to myself and didnt go
"ERRM EKSHCUSE MEEE IM A MINOR AND YOURE DEPICTING MINORS HERE AS WELL SO I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD DELETE IT"
Like who raised them to turn them into little narcs like that?
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Looked this guy up. MAJOR creep vibes.
Following the same pattern as all the chomo or sex pervert "male feminists".
I would be shocked if he didnt have some really fucked up shit on his hard drives.