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This thread concerns creators, artists and others who work in the modern western American Animation Industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
Some of the big name cows currently in the industry:
>Rebecca Sugar: Creator of Steven Universe, Drew Ed, Edd n Eddy R34, self inserted her brother into the show, claims to be a queer woman despite having a long term heterosexual relationship for her entire adult life https://twitter.com/rebeccasugar
>Alex Hirsch: creator of Gravity falls, is dating Dana Terrace(who is the creator of Disney's The Owl House) where she also has her own self insert in the show, supported shipping of his self insert Dipper with his Lauren Faust self inserthttps://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch
>Noelle Stevenson: Creator of She-Ra reboot and the comics series Lumberjanes, is married to Molly Ostertag (who is also in the comics industry), came out as non-binary in 2019 and in 2020 chopped her tits off and came out as "Transmasculine" and "bigender"https://twitter.com/gingerhazing
>Julia Vickerman: Creator of 12 Forever, proving girls can do it too, and by It I mean your cousin, a NLOG who stalks teenage boys and tweets about how hot they are, was fired from her own show for mistreating and sexually harassing her co-workers, still active on Instagram though https://twitter.com/juliavickerman
previous thread: >>1370299
Previous thread highlights:>Noelle gender shit >>1370868 >>1576921>Aggy being a disgusting pedo >>1371740,>>1584906>Alex Hirsch simping >>1372270>High Guardian Spice does poorly >>1398175>Kelly Turnbull lurks /co/ >>1402516>Hellluva Boss storyboarder has spicy twitter take >>1405207>discussing Encanto character designs >>1409040,>>1416070>Queer pandering in animation >>1419755>Thomas Astruc self inserts into Miraculous Ladybug and milk >>1420427 >>1486905 >>1487057 >>1494853>Justin Roiland is a creep >>1420608>Raye Rodriguez explains High Guardian spice's budget problems >>1421124 ,>>1421792>trans pandering in She-ra >>1422701>Totally spies reboot discussed >>1425314>Oneyplays Adult swim show discussed >>1432463>MLP reboot >>1448513,>>1481758>Proud Family: Louder and Prouder reboot >>1454074>Proud Family comes under fire for colorism >>1454277,>>1454452>Turning Red discussion >>1467077>Should cartoon stories be more creative and original than just retelling parts of the creator's life >>1479891>Generational trauma was the villain the whole time >>1496832>Kids’ TV has a porn problem >>1497220,>>1497538>Alex's ex claims a character was based on her >>1497538>Kate Leth to surgery >>1499236 >>1499316,>>1501045,>>1503397,>>1513274>Lauren Zuke saga >>1501544>Netflix mass layoff of Animation employees >>1501922>Dana Terrace got roofied comic >>1512650>Voice actor Daman Mills accused of misconduct >>1518637,>>1518642,>>1518647>Amphibia's fans harass show staff for fanart >>1524784,>>1525217,>>1527408>Tweets upset at the new deal for animation logo >>1525424,>>1525426>Netflix cancels Bones and Curses >>1526518>Marie Lum ebegs >>1530957 >>1535548>Netflix scrapping more shows including one called anti racist baby >>1531992>Marie almost dies >>1550727>New Young Justice discussion on autistic kid >>1551225>Rosalarian post about murdered ex-roommate >>1557633>DeadEndia discussion, tif main character >>1563609>A former Helluva Boss crew member came out with detailed allegations that Vivziepop is running a toxic work environment >>1568928,>>1569090>Noelle Stevenson goes by Nate now >>1576922 >>1576921,>>1577050>Vewn show picked up >>1580669>Amphibia crew members got exposed for drawing porn of the characters >>1585128
"but everyone does it"
i question why we need so much porn in the first place. maybe if you did it once it would be funny, but the fact that so many artists are constantly drawing porn of their characters is pretty stupid and gross. you can draw them murdering each other or doing drugs if you want to be 3edgy5me; we don't need cartoon sex imo
>>1585535>>1585554>fictional murder of minors is a-ok but fictional sex of minors is not
I’m not gonna say that people exclusively and excessively drawing porn of lolis/shota are particularly sane and not weird (at best, they clearly have some issues and/or trauma they’re working out through their art), but this is what I don’t get. You can have children be brutally slaughtered in fiction and people can be ascertained you don’t actually want kids to be killed, no matter how graphic your depiction is, but when you draw some cringe underaged ship or write about it, you obviously want to do it in real life? I’ve always perceived these types of dark works to be a detached thing, just like anyone writing a dark novel. Obviously it’s fucked up in real life - that’s why you can safely explore darker natures and concepts through characters instead.
I think that people who draw rule 34’d toddler AU of characters are creepy as hell and will absolutely avoid whoever does it, but I still put it under the above reasoning and understanding. In the end, it’s just lines of beings that barely match reality’s biological appearances.
All my love to you, but you really gotta abandon the “if you’re not with me 100% you’re against me” mentality. I sympathize and I understand why you’re disgusted with it, but you shouldn’t waste time thinking about it too much.
Anti antis/“proshippers” are just as absurd. The amount of adults I’ve seen act as if they’re oppressed for being queer and/or POC
instead of the fact people came across their incredibly dubious porn is high. People are gonna fap to whatever cartoon character regardless of how old they are. All you can do is block, pray to god they don’t post the shit in main hashtags, and just not look for it or try to expose them to people who’d rather not be reminded. I don’t want to see cartoon 12-year-old siblings fuck as much as you do, but I’m not gonna spend time agonizing over it.
The most common reasoning I’ve ever seen besides “it’s just fictional”, is that some people are using it as cope material. They wish their abuser or childhood was just as kind despite the atrocious nature of the relationship, or they keep reliving their trauma through fiction so they can seize some kind of control over it. I certainly don’t think it’s the best approach, but if it makes them feel safer, sure. I do admit there’s something to be said about someone who exclusively diddles to fictional minors, but I’d just block them. It’s not illegal at this time. Likewise I hope my explanation makes sense.
nah I get anon's reasoning. i wanna know how they got there. if one considers it CP, why expose the material to a fandom full of minors? that shit was locked. they apparently had to get approved to be able to follow them in the first place, so they set up some alt to do so. like did they just tirelessly search through a bunch of nsfw accounts' common followings and through their tweets until they found something?
if you, an ordinary, hop onto the seedy underbelly of the web and gather literal CP of irl children, can you claim it was for the greater good? intentions and procedures aren’t very transparent here.
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I'd like to point out that using Orion as an autism rage allegory is profoundly retarded. Idk how the character is in the show, but in everything else he was a baby given to Darkseid (superevil cosmic torture tyrant) and lived on a hell planet. Every waking moment he fought for his life against nightmare abominations and Gods of Evil trying to break him. Yeah no shit he has anger issues HE SPENT HIS LIFE IN HELL.
Trying to tie it to Real World Issues (tm) is some tumblr shit like having werewolves be allegories for troons (lol)
I think it’s because predators think that a child won’t see how evil they are, at least at first, so it’s a false idea of “acceptance” or an innocence they can corrupt. They’re psychologically the weakest people so they feel most powerful when their victims
represent symbols that are “most weak” than they are. If characters are given an age that is numerically the age of minor, that’s all they need. It’s a lack of experience or ability to be immediately disgusted with who is predating them, the predator is always in a fantasy or delusion, and awareness breaks that. Idk if that made sense but from what I’ve learned like literally every other girl who had to grow up online with men, that’s what I’ve come to the conclusion of. That’s also why men in animation force out women, they don’t want work with more talent or depth out there because in comparison it would expose them. Think about the socialization of animation people, cartoonists are like band camp kids they just fuck each other and never get more attractive.
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I know this is not western animation but all this reminds me of that one haikyuu animator who got fired for drawing shipping art and lewds of the boys without the animation studio knowing at first. At least the art is nice kek
She literally draws bug porn. Why is she calling out people who draw turtle porn lmao>>1586588
People are just horny. I think its weird to say ''just go bang a dude from a bar'' when you can draw your own personal fantasies to existence without scrote intervention and at the safety of your home. I think its messed up that these people tried to keep these drawings hidden but got leaked by some equally degenerate person just so they could put themselves on a high horse. I definitely dont agree with animators and showcreators drawing porn of cartoon characters and making them public with underage fans but i dont want to restrict freedom of what people want to do on their private lives.
because they’re TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles
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We really gonna have Discourse on whether drawing Ninja Turtles sucking each other off is kosher or not?
>>1586588>drawing freak porn of work characters
Why that wording? You type like one of those frantic twitter schizos. I promise you the fujos aren't going to fuck the kids. Some woman in the middle of nowhere drawing boys boinking is not the face of pedophilia. It's pretty normal to prefer just drawing sexual situations instead of going out and having sex with a random dude, even if you're a himejo or yumejo.>>1586345
This reminds me of that one Jotaro pic someone posted in the art salt thread in /ot/. Literally CP!!1
by the way you type it’s obvious you’re some autistic weirdo which explains your absolute disconnect from reality. >go to a bar and fuck some random scrote
because that sounds extremely safe and will not put anyone in danger as opposed to drawing some stupid porno bullshit from the safety of one’s home. Fucking idiot. Why even waste money going to a bar for that?
There's literally always been porn of some random shit from the dawn of time. Maybe you should write a book about how degenerate and problematic
the ancient greeks were
I honestly highly doubt it’s jealousy for the majority of them. in this case a lot of these posters either don’t draw or have vocally stated they have no internet of going into animation.
Jealousy feels like it would be an obvious reason, but these people, especially how hard they’re going as a collective does not seem like the right reason. I’m not in their heads but most of it just seems like they find some sort of comradeship with others by dunking and harassing people they see as “bad” and it gives them like, a rush or something.
That's a fair point anon. Horny people have always been around but with the internet, it's easier to be exposed to that sort of stuff. I 100% understand getting annoyed/grossed out with it. I feel similar towards the constant shipping in media.>>1587585
I disagree anon because there have been numerous instances where the person doing the callout is looking to get into the industry (ex: idolmantises). However, I agree with you about how people want to be part of some collective so they'll go with the mob.>>1587569
Exactly. I also find a lot more disturbing porn on twitter drawn by men than women
They're pretty young. Well, most of them. Trying to be part of something, having all these feelings, and being a didact is their thing. I was a teenager during the time "sjw" shit started really blowing up on tumblr, and I remember being super sensitive about shit that didn't matter in the grand scheme. And when I saw or read something seedy or degenerate, I did feel deeply uncomfortable. Then those feelings escape you once real life hits you and you're jaded by the world's actual problems.>>1587606
Think it also has to do with the Streisand effect. People always bring up the forbidden porn of some media or YT animator, and in their efforts to try to be vigilant about it, they end up bringing more attention to it.
>>1587844>why are you ok with people seeing it
"How would you call out someone who deserves it like Shadman without showing people any censored evidence of their wrongdoing? His fans would just say you're lying.">Who fucking cares?
If you don't think Shadman is a blight on society you're not even worth arguing with.
What the fuck does this even mean? You obviously care since you're riled up about it. Anybody who doesn't want pedos drawing porn of their kids should care.>report them
Cops are too lazy to arrest him, even though they should.
You're not distributing csem drawings if it's been very heavily censored.>I mean who fucking cares if his fans believe it or not?
Nobody cares what they believe, but they will tell others you are lying if you don't have any evidence of what he's done, which is why you would need the censored drawings.>report him to the FBI
Already been done by lots of people. Cops are too lazy to arrest him, even though they should.
Shadman lives in Los Angeles and the district attorney there won’t prosecute POC
without intense public pressure (as we saw when some tard tried to stab Dave Chapelle)
This is true and I guess I’m thinking more of the idea of who follows in the footsteps of these callouts/makes a big deal out of them. Which are people that will never work in the art industry. That whole group in the twitter artist containment thread are responsible for the majority of art callouts and stupid bullshit on that site and have never had an industry job in their life kek.
Honestly, don’t know a single person that works in an art industry like comics or animation and has had an actual job that does this kind of shit. it’s always these talentless idiots.
Yeah, I’ve noticed this too.
Females or Ftms always get call outs, especially artists, for the most mundane shit, compared to males or mtf (primarily those who keep their masculine features)- whose call outs more often than not retain the most disturbing, self-depriving shit that SHOULD get them blasted, but even then it’s a coin flip to see if they actually go to prison
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On principle, its not a good idea to draw porn of cartoon characters when you're working in an industry that targets kids as their main audience.
But yeah you're right if the characters are 100% fictional, then do whatever. Just don't do a Shadman and draw irl kids- even irl adults for that matter. Those are the biggest red flags imo.
But I'm kind of baffled on how the artists didn't do a good job on keeping their nsfw shit away from their public profiles. Did they get greedy on wanting more clout on their nsfw accounts?
The fact that nearly everyone in the industry draws cartoon porn (including characters from the shows they work on) is an open secret so people have just gotten really casual and lax about it because 90% of the time people don’t care. The big problem is the lack of 4th wall and the fact that these crew members get too comfy having their egos stroked by fangirls who are often just as terminally online as they are who will turn on them at the drop of a hat and weaponize their cartoon porn against them the first chance they get, especially if it’s “problematic
” content which could mean anything from canonically underaged characters fucking to ship art of a pairing that the fandom deemed “abusive
Everything I've heard about the animation industry is they never cared. "Don't draw porn" Disney animators drew comedy porn of Mickey Mouse and the Rugrats crew drew edgelord scribbles in their free time.
That said they don't double back to posting it online and they def don't unironically make kiddo porn, so this whole thing is still retarded.
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god, what a fucking loser. imagine having so little going on in your life that you squirm your way into the crew of some disneychannel cartoon, larp as one of them, just to see some private porn they apparently don't want to see.
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Don't know of this belongs here but Scott Adams the author of those Dilbert comics tweeted that he's glad that his step-son died of a drug overdose cause he believed that he'd end up becoming a school shooter, also implying that he let him die
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I would agree with him if this was the case of his own son, but this was his step-son, Scott Adams and the boy's mother only recently divorced, like all moids are bastards but that doesn't excuse to say that about somebody's child
No idea what you're tamking about exactly because I don't know that character but I remember the video posted in the previous thread. This reminds me how I always thought the mutants in X-men being allegories for discriminated people irl like victims
of racism or homophobia is retarded. When you're not white and you can't get a job or a house just because people want to discriminate against you for your skin color and ethinicity you know you're harmless and what's happening to you is unfair. The mutants can severely harm or kill people whenever the fuck they want by just lifting their fingers, sometimes even by accident, they're actually dangerous so it's normal for people to be wary of them at least a little even if it sucks for the mutants.
To add to this I just realized what bothers me about the X-Men half the time. You know how troons aren't women, but the exaggerated male idea of womanhood?
The X-Men are the straight white guy's bloated idea of what it's like to be gay or black or have autism, etc. Simultaneously the most oppressed group that lives under one comfortable umbrella, but also the Ubermensch that is replacing the old group. Literally no gay people think they're the Next Hot Shit, it's only straight people who see the gays as dancing monkeys and a fashion statement.
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Its a bit complicated(I will admit that I am an X men fan) but essentially the original X-Men is a ripoff of Doom Patrol(like a very overt ripoff) which was a ripoff of The fantastic 4, the appeal of the original Fantastic 4 and Doom Patrol wasn't that they were isolated social outcasts, rather that they were heroes that acted human, unlike other superhero comics they often quarrelled and suffered personal problems(this was considered groundbreaking back then) though Doom Patrol was way more campy and weird then F4, the Original X-men just shamelessly ripped of from Doom Patrol, Magneto had no backstory or anything, he was just a generic evil guy whose team was literally called the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, it was only in the mid 70's where X-men actually got good, with all-new, all-different X-Men it introduced actual diverse characters that you would never seen before in any mainstream comic, Storm(an african black woman), nightcrawler(german), wolverine(canadian), colossus(who was actually the most controversial character at one point, cause he was a character from the Soviet Union portrayed in a good light), and also having OG characters Jean Gray and Cyclops, so the x-men was the most multi-cultural comic cast at one point and it attracted a diverse fanbase never before seen, it s during this era that racism/bigotry allegory started being mixed in with x-men stories
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Kate now identifies as autistic instead of borderline. Doesn't even get a formal diagnosis before making comics about it to announce to the world.https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf_-iPWrEUM/?hl=en
In my experience - alone, granted - any therapist worth their cent will try hard to steer you away from self-diagnosing. Self-diagnosing makes you try to twist yourself to suit the disorder’s description rather than have the disorder suit you, period.
I’ve met many people who attempt to protect their fundamentally shitty personalities by saying they believe they have BPD, autism, etc.
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>>1593883>grant morrison's blatant tranny chasing?
I feel I was the only one who noticed that, but yeah TIMs come up a couple times in his work, its really weird and he shown in his wonder woman earth one, that he's into femdom and bondage, recently he came out as non-binary as well
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I think it's time you went outside.
there's one where a scottish tranny mansplains to another man about troon shit, i think he wrote it?
in invisibles he has this awful straw lesbian character who harasses and insults other women, and she's clearly in his chaser mind supposed to be playing off the troon and showing that they make better women than actual women.
>>1598152>fan fiction is something he hates and doesn’t think they’re good writers.
lmao he right about this tho 75% of fics are garbage and 15% of the remaining is fucking abo which is another level of garbage I don't blame any creator for disliking fanfic considering how disturbing it can get
like this whole thread is basically shitting on creators for making underage porn right? look at fucking fanfic it's guilty of the same shit so let's not play pretend and say this isn't a rare good take from fuck ass Thomas
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sounds like the boys, not written by him afaik. most tims would probably be offended by this sort of accurate mannish depiction of transgenders anyway.
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This is from the official comic too.
This is ugly overall, but at the same time i'm not exctly surprised. A kid from my family likes these cartoons and after watching a couple of episodes together, I gotta say these series are weirdly inappropriate sometimes. like the sort of "wink wink we're making adult jokes in kids movie" thing you know. The boy sometimes makes these fuckboy faces/glances, and overall does fuckboy pick up talk/ humour. usually it's just tame flirting and then it isn't disturbing, but sometimes it was just dumb af. once they fell down somehow in a way they were on top of each other, Cat on Ladybug and there ws this whole slowmotion, from every angle, and it was dragged on longer than needed, making it look awkward in whole other way. there was also an episode with some sort of Ladybug's doppleganger who somehow turned around nd started working with them. and the guy said somethign like "TWO Ladybugs? am i in heaven? it's like a dream come true!" eek.
Rich of that Thomas guy to criticize fanfics when he's the biggest fucking shipper and his series are a secret slow burn fanfic with how much the show implies that Ladybird & Cat totes should fuck. but still those smutty AO3 fics about 15 year olds fucking are just as fuckedup, that's odd all around. i'd rather it was just a story about two teens in love, not something oversexualized by both authors and audience.
Kate, you aren't autistic, but you ARE retarded.
God I hate this stupid bitch.
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Marie/pucanoodles again, her car was now apparently broken into during prep for an upcoming convention, no photos except for a broken windex bottle in her backseat. Comparatively the exact same story happened to another artist I follow only a few weeks back and I'm much more inclined to believe them than Marie with her history
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Lol omg you're right, 'their virtual child', how creepy. And how he points out that his ex was french ~AND~ chinese kek
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Here’s another tweet about it.
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I assume this is him and his ex. Imagine being Sabine and finding out wtf happened to the fatass you dated.
Yeah basically. French animation tends to imitate anime and black men in anime are pretty much only ever portrayed as giant thugs.>>1599542
First part is def creepy as hell but who cares that he mentioned she was mixed race? That's just stating a fact, isn't it…?
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It would be hella funny to have a thread just dedicated to every “woe is me, give me money” moment she has. No discussion, just acknowledge every tiny thing she cries about online
When is she going to work more on the other one, I forget what it is called. Isn't Helluva Boss the spinoff? Also I always pronounce it "hell oo-va"
Anyway, did she just abandon that other project in favor of a spinoff?
It's actually going to be released this year
It's just a network bought it so there was more legality, going on their schedule and recasting all voice actors. But Hazbin Hotel will not be released on YouTube
Making Stella an abusive
bitch for literally no reason at all is such lazy, shitty writing. Viv just needed a one-dimensional woman to demonize so her retarded gay rape ship looks less problematic
. This is the kind of characterization you’d expect from yaoi fanfic written by a 14-year-old girl.
Stella is not sad or jealous or resentful. She’s not even implied to be motivated to keep control over Stolas for her own schemes or whatever—if that were the case, it’d make more sense to write her as manipulative instead of a raging psycho. Besides, in a universe where all the protagonists are mass murderers who constantly verbally abuse each other anyway why the fuck should I be specifically offended by a female character almost
slapping her sexually degenerate husband? kek
But really, why even bother putting Stolas in that conflict at all if you’re going to do nothing interesting with the wife character? If she only had to exist to justify why he has a daughter (who herself only exists as a prop to make Stolas seem likable) then couldn’t they have already been divorced at the start of the show?
All fair points
When I first saw the show I thought they were just beginning to get a divorce since the daughter mentioned "You broke our family dad". That and the fact that Octavia was spending weekends alone with her mom, away with the dad.
It seems repetitive that Stolas kept mentioning a divorce. Either get the divorce or don't.
I liked both characters more when it was just Stolas being a horny demon asshole who was manipulating Blitz for sex and Stella being a rightfully pissed ex wife
I immediately came here to see if anyone talked about this, kek.
So fucking dumb. The original dynamic was a good foundation for what could be an interesting morally grey drama between the characters. They all live in Hell, for fuck's sake. It made sense that Stolas is a coombrained gay moid who can't keep it in his pants to keep his marriage and family together. But no, they undid all of this by making Stella a raging bitch for no reason and no motivation, other than to make Stolas the uwu gay male character for fujos to feel sorry for. Weird.
The original dynamic was great
honestly I think making Stolas and Blitzo "childhood friends" was the dumbest fucking move I've ever seen and was beyond unnecessary and came out of nowhere.
I think the childhood scene with Blitzo and Fizz should have been to establish Fizz's past relationship with Blitzo. This whole episode just seems forced.
A rich, bored horny gay guy who is buying a lover seems more right on the money. And Stella being rightfully pissed that her status, life style and everything was threatened because her husband is a pervert.
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>>1604388>stoles:you could have asked to visit you know it's been a long time but I have a very good memory>stoles:what are you doing I barely remember your name >Blitz: it's Blitz >stoles:didn't it have an O at the end like a clown name
later on >it means that the one who wants me is my first ever friend
What is with this dialogue, it is ridiculously inconstant and feels like ERP rather then an scripted conversation, also I'm seething seeing zoomer girls being convinced to side the gay cheating pervert because he's such an "uwu prwcious gay baby who just wants to be loved"
>>1605088>girls siding with the gay pervert because uwu baby
Well what else is new, it's not even a zoomer thing lots of girls in fandoms like to side with gay perverts from what I've seen
These comments suck though>stella was in the wrong she treated him like garbage for years and mocked and belittled him. That would drive people to cheat on their spouse
Or just break up idk
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Character and Lore inconstancy is on brand for Vivziepop though, best example of this is how she's handled Angel Dust's character, Angel Dust was originally one pair of two mafioso spider brother characters but somewhere along the line Vivziepop amalgamated the brothers with another female character who was a nymphomaniac prostitute, that's why he's such a confusing mess
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also even though his name is literally a reference for a drug from the 80's, he's still canonically stated to have died in the 1940's,https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Angel_Dust
seemingly the only reason for Angel to be from the 1940's was based solely on his weapon
Helluva boss/Hazbin hotel fans are mostly stupid fujo teenagers or edgy autistic manchildren so of course they have zero critical thinking skills. Both demographics are insanely misogynistic as well, so they’re practically foaming at the mouth for a poorly written female character they can use as a hate sink.
Intelligent people who could offer meaningful critiques or analysis either don’t bother watching that shit or don’t bother engaging with such a retarded fanbase.
>>1605088> I'm seething seeing zoomer girls being convinced to side the gay cheating pervert
Nona, gen z is normally like this. They rabidly hate women, even more so when they can do it on behalf of “the queers”.
That and we’re freshly out of the Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard bullshit, so all of them are primed to obsessively rage over any woman branded as abusive
and feel baseless sympathy for shitty men.
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In her last substack post, Noelle Stevenson talks about having bipolar disorder. She's been on Seroquel for five years. I am amazed she passed any kind of mental stability test to get a masectomy. I had to declare lack of mental health disorders just to donate bone marrow but someone with bipolar who takes a sedating medication can competantly agree to have their breasts removed. Damn.
Honestly the plot of both Stella and Stolas being in the wrong woulda been better. And it's hell? Viv established that it is actually unusual for demons, even married ones to be monogamous. Why Millie and Moxxie are the odd ones out.
Watch Vivzie try to make Stella seem worse by having Stella sleep with an imp too. They really did Stella's character dirty by just reducing her to "evil cis straight woman bullying gay baby"
tbh I would be pissed to if I was told I would be marrying a demon price. But got stuck with a skinny twink who glares at me and resents me because we have to have a kid. Even in the episode she mentioned he was just laying there while she did all the work. No wonder the woman is resentful. She's just there for breeding and that must suck
Every single post on her little blog is somehow able to be condensed to “I didn’t hate being a woman, for some reason I chopped my tits off, I dont
regret it so stop asking” I’ve read like 20 of her comics and they all play out like this.
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literal peak TIF behavior
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a lot of fans have spectated that Blitzo's sister(who we saw in the background of this episode) will likely be trans, this is cause all female imps have small horns, in a previous episodes when we did see a female imp with larger horns they were a TIMhttps://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Sallie_May#:~:text=TBA-,Trivia,confirmed%20by%20the%20show's%20Twitter
They're so obviously simping for the uwu poor gay misunderstood bois while being angry at Stella for literally no reason. We are shown that Stolas hates his marriage because it was arranged and he's rather stay with his shitty moody childhood friend (I fucking hate Blitzo by this point btw, all the acting crazy but being secretly sad is getting old). So his hate towards Stella and his cheating are clearly justified. So why is Stella being painted as the crazy villain? She's also in an arranged marriage, she mentioned she had to do everything to fulfill her duty and her husband ruins it all, why are her anger and resentment towards Stolas not justified as well?
The answer is: the writing is incredibly lazy and they just really wanted the woman to be evil, even if it doesn't make sense in their own story that they wrote. By their rules, even her "abusing" him wouldn't fucking matter because they're in hell and the main characters kill people for a job. They're fine with showing a child getting gunned down, but they draw the line at the poor gay who can't fuck the one he loves in peace!! So juvenile and ridiculous. Just like when they showed Millie's trans sibling and made sure to respect the pronouns uwu in a show that's supposed to be offensive.
Unless Vivzie will do a plot twist and expand on Stella, Helluva Boss's writing is BAD, just like Hazbin Hotel's.
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difference between male born imps and female afab imps for comparisons
no need for newspeak here>>1605413
excuse me i am right here, watching for my failson, moxxie
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Can we talk about voice actors here as well? This is taken from the FTM thread:
>48 year old VA for Silco from Arcane, Jason Spisak, is dating a 22 year old they/them (she later became an exclusive them) Jinx cosplayer he met on Twitter. This man has 2 children (at least one of them is a girl) and recently divorced his 46 year old wife. He got into some controversy shortly after Arcane released for liking Jinx/Silco ship art, and had to come out saying he only interprets their relationship as father/daughter. On his streams and cameo he’s known for trying to come across as “sexy,” speaking in his Silco voice and interacting with a lot of the young women in the fandom in an obviously grooming manner. The cosplayer nuked all of her socials so this was recovered from the wayback machine. The dd/lg grossness is so obvious, he even commissioned a Silco cosplay for himself that he probably wears in the bedroom with her dressed as Jinx.
this show stopped making any sense at all with that weird valentine's special or whatever. now i guess it's the retcon ship show with cringe 2009 art.
viv would be great if they assigned her an actual producer that did their actual job as a producer.
hopefully someone like that tweaked hazbin to make it make sense but i don't think i care enough to keep watching.
i know none of us are doctors but dae think she's probably more one of those cluster A nutjobs who's been misdiagnosed? she doesn't act manic or extendedly suicidal from what i've seen/read.
or is she one of the all-manic ones with low IQ? i've met like…two of those but they were both men
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Major shakeups with David Zaslav stepping in as CEO of Warner Brothers Discovery. Scoob's holiday special was months away from finishing and has been cancelled. Little Ellen's latest season was completed
and has been shelved and is now lost media. Final Space was not only cancelled but deplatformed and is now no longer legally available anywhere. Close Enough has been cancelled after 3 seasons. While most of the press has been focused on how live-action is being affected by the WB/Discovery merger the animation industry is likewise looking at an uncertain future, at least that under WBD's domain.
Industrynonas, how you feeling?https://deadline.com/2022/08/little-ellen-canceled-at-hbo-max-1235084429/https://deadline.com/2022/07/close-enough-canceled-hbo-max-no-season-4-1235064944/https://movieweb.com/scoob-holiday-haunt-is-cancelled-by-warner-bros-following-cost-cutting-push/https://twitter.com/thecartooncrave/status/1542745758507716608
WB had a shit ton of debt, apparently. Zaslav is trying to get the finances under control and one way to do that is via tax write offs. They can use a show as a write off but in order to do that they are not allowed to profit off it in any way which means they can not release it. Evidently the tax write off is worth more than having these titles in their library. Longer term I think this bodes badly for western animation. The new CEO wants to trim up the amount of script-driven shows with the idea of having a smaller, current library of high quality heavy hitters and then lots of cheap reality entertainment. Animation is expensive and script driven and might not be popular enough to justify the expense in his eyes. They might pivot (like CN already was) towards focusing on animated content aimed at babies and toddlers ("Cartoonito").
This article is more optimistic: https://puck.news/zazs-tween-gamble/
Hard to say if that article is on the money or not, we'll have to wait and see. If WDB is orienting away from producing animated content for the tween+ set though then the Western animation industry is poised to take a big hit and current industry professionals will be vying for jobs in a much more competitive environment.
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This tiktok was posted last night, now there’s a huge shitstorm on Twitter over everything.
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first time i've been a fan of a moid and this has happened. i hate this world.
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Jason responds to the circulating evidence. He didn’t even put effort into this, I mean the most damning screenshot was the one when he said he likes underage girls, I’m sure he’d go for a younger partner if one showed interest in him. He’s the epitome of nice-guy lefty men who make themselves as harmless appearing as possible to draw in young women.
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I think this is worth adding without saging. Animation is directly implicated (in part) in a loss of 2 billion. The "restructuring of content" should give you pause since it is often corpo speak for, "We're gonna gut this".
New animation dark age.
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I just think it's funny that merch, comics and animation not done by Viv looks 10x better than her own art. Butch Hartman situation without the bible humping.
As for the shit writing… yeah no shit. The co writer for the show is Brandon Rodgers. He also voices Blitzo, the main character
Most of his skits are about being gay, cross dressing and poop jokes
You know when Brandon and Viv are in a room together 80% of the conversation is about fujo shipping and forgetting about established lore.
I don't think it is too early to be plausibly worried. Warner Brothers Discovery is/was a major funder of animated content via Warner Bro's Animation, Warner Animation Group, Cartoon Network, and William's Street (Adult Swim). Netflix likewise recently gutted its in-house animation studio. So what big players are left? Disney, Apple, Paramount (Nickelodeon), who else? Disney shut down Blue Sky recently too. If WBD isn't investing in animation that is a big chunk of jobs being lost, a lot less getting produced overall and more competition for the workers who are probably very worried.>>1607809
Even Disney has started investing in anime which says a lot
I still wonder whose ass Viv had to suck to get him because no way Norman Reedus would normally voice for some shitty gay cartoon with bad writing.>>1608075
They like to praise Brandon Rogers as a talented actor who can do many different characters but literally all of them are the same faggot being disgusting with poop jokes, just with different accent and wigs. Stella's voice actress was also in some of Brandon's videos.
Honestly the voice cast she got for Helluva Boss is fascinating, its basically the voice casting that only an active tumblr user from the 2010's would have thought up of>Mara Wilson(Matilda)>Jinx Monsoon(popular draq queen)>Alex Brightman(Broadway actor, most famous for playing Beatlejuice in the musical adaptation)>Edward Boston(a voice actor who has often voiced characters that have disproportionately popular on tumblr)>James Monroe Iglehart(who played Lafayette and Thomas Jefferson in Hamilton)
And now she's gotten Jonathan Freeman(the voice of Jafar from Aladdin) to voice Stola's dad https://www.tiktok.com/@hippiecryptid00/video/7127366454722202922
Viv is a fandom obsessed tumblr fujo with no restraints what so ever
That's why when Hazbin hotel was sold to a network it took YEARS for real writers and producers to fix everything. They refused to let Viv choose the VA's and she had to choose professionals. They also spent years cleaning up the story. Also Brandon Rodgers is not involved in that show in any capacity.
The story was going to slowly go to fujo shit about Angel dust and that weird gambler demon but told Vivzie no. There is lgbt characters in the show, but told her it shouldn't be the main point of the show. They are focusing on lore, why demons can't be redeemed and the corruption in both heaven and hell… which sounds much cooler than "Fujo shipping."
Also, not only did the network force Viv to have professional writers and VA's, they also made her hire a couple of professional animators as well and get rid of a lot of her more problematic
staff. So the show should look miles better than Helluva boss. Which btw, was confirmed that Viv has been hiring FANS over at Spindle Horse.
In the comics Angel does seem to be the main character. And people saw it coming when that "Addict" video came out.
I feel like Viv thinks female characters are boring. You never see deep meaning on how Charlie and her female partner Vaggie got together. Just "lesbians"
But Angel Dust has a whole story arch on how his pimp is abusive
n mean (no shit) and how he has to be rescued by a drunken bi sexual scrote with a gambling addiction.
There was also a whole story arch about Angel Dust's family and how they were mean to gay baby. But Charlie's family? Ya know… Lucifer and Lilith? Barely touched. Her brain rot fans think it's to create an air of mystery.
I've heard rumors about Viv being kicked off her show but I'm heavily skeptic about that.>The story was going to slowly go to fujo shit about Angel dust and that weird gambler demon but told Vivzie no.
FFS, what is it with her having a basic concept and switching gears for fujo shipping shit? >>1608895
Not surprised, it's easier to control fans after all.
ooh, i'm glad to hear this! the story needed major cleanup, there was a kernel of potential series material in there, but the concept as she had it in the pilot was FULL of holes.
it also devolved into tumblr sexuality labels & fujo shipping halfway through kek.
animation wise, it had no more problems than most creators' first pitch pre-cleanup and professional animation crew.
>>1608933>what is it with her having a basic concept and switching gears for fujo shipping shit?
If you knew her previous works you wouldn't be surprised. It's what she's always done and she's not learning, sadly. She had Zoophobia that she never finished, and while the initial idea had potential, it quickly became an embarassing shitshow of cringy shipping really fast. She just loves tumblr-tier shipping and I believe she will always try to do that (while not actually finishing the project).
I don't even think she's that much of a fujo honestly, her old works had plenty of heterosexual ships. I guess she focuses on gay tranny shit now because it's what's hot.
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Looking back on this it was obvious in hindsight, Angel Dust was her baby back in the day. He and Vaggie were in a relationship and he seemed to be the main focus of her concept. Charlie (who looked wildly different) was only a footnote from what I remember, didn't see that much art of her only Angel Dust, Vaggie, Alstor, the gambler, the fish guy, Nifty, original Luna wolf, and some dancing lady were prevalent.
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Her name is Crymini and she was pretty much a ripoff design of the blue wolf Jayjay which Vivienne adopted way back when and had dumb drama about. Her design's less… loud now but it seems like she shares similar characteristics with Luna being the teen rebellious one. I'm guessing Luna was inspired from her or something.
He’s the fujo tumblr bait character of course he’d be the main character if she had it her way.
Glad there are people cleaning her show up, I don’t think it’s a bad premise once you strip away the performative crap, I kind of hope it’s successful just to piss off the virtue signaling puritan teenagers who are obsessed with how “problematic
” it is, kek
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I always had a tinfoil that Hazbin Hotel may have been a rip-off of Requiem Vampire Knight, just like Hazbin the series is set in Hell, both feature Hell's that are over crowded and over population, both have a strict hierarchy in their world, both have wars between different factions in hell, both have versions of Hell where the only way to leave is through death or redemption(getting into heaven) and both are edgy asf and filled with sex and violence
however requiem vampire knight has actually good art, better characters, actually consistent world building and hot goth vampire dudes
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If you are gonna read, I have to warn out that its really really edgy, violent and has actual fucked up humor (like alisar crowley has a succubus transform into a male monkey and they fuck
) but it is fair with the nudity, the men wear revealing impractical leather outfits just like the women and we see a lot of male nudity
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Same, i get it's short for "Vagatha" but i don't get why they didn't just name her "Agatha" and call her "Aggie" or something.
They didn´t have issues with changing characters' names since they changed Charlie's last name from "Magne" to "Morningstar".
(Saged for massive sperging about writing shit wrt Hazbin Hotel, skip my wall of text if you don't care)>>1608895
I'm glad to hear someone on the production team apparently gives a fuck about worldbuilding, since it seems all Vivzie cares about is a setting that gives her an excuse to be edgy and have all her OC's shack up for shipping purposes. So many things about the basic setup of the HH universe bothers me, and almost none of it was even alluded to in the pilot.
The problem with any story taking place in hell is that you can't just turn it into a paradise for assholes to indulge their vices for all eternity, at least not if you're going with the boilerplate christian template of the afterlife as either a reward or a punishment. Unless the point of your story is to deconstruct it or you use it as a setup to reveal a much darker twist, the internal logic falls apart quickly.
What exactly is the conflict between heaven and hell based on? Is Lucifer a rebellious anti-hero building his own kingdom to challenge heaven? Is he god's dark twin brother who is just as powerful and necessary to keep some sort of universal balance? Is he a glorified manager in a divine bureaucracy punishing sinners on god's payroll? How does hell's power hierarchy function and why does it even exist?
What criteria sends mortals to hell in the first place, and what criteria would allow them to leave since Charlie is convinced this is at least theoretically possible? Why would sinners even WANT to leave a place where they are free to do what they want with very little to stop them? How the fuck can hell get overpopulated in the first place? Does that mean heaven could get overpopulated too? Is there some kind of reverse Hazbin Hotel where good people are encouraged to corrupt themselves so they can be sent to hell? Is Jesus up there singing showtunes asking the redeemed to shoot up meth and fuck gay hookers because the devil isn't meeting his quota??
All of those questions have implications for the plot, characterization, and fundamental purpose of literally everyone in the cast.
I'm definitely not saying fiction stories have to adhere to any kind of traditional orthodoxy, but it's pretty fucking stupid to incorporate major religious figures and themes into your show without establishing a coherent theological framework. This is even more important if the goal is to morally redeem some of the characters. It's obvious that Viv wants HH to be a serious drama with hidden depth behind all the raunchy edgelord comedy, but judging by the trajectory Helluva Boss is on and her priorities with the Hazbin backstory comics, she sure as fuck wasn't going to do anything to make that work.
Well in a series like Vampire Knight its explained that people get transformed depending on what exact sins they did on earth, for e.g most bad people and minor criminals get reincarnated as zombies the majority of Hell's population >Truly bad people who knew what they were doing was evil and reveled in it become vampires >Religious fanatics become werewolves >Rapists become centaurs>Child murderers become harpies >Weapon makers become mummies>Hypocrites and corrupt officials become Ghouls
All these factions are in constant war with each other, even the elites of these societies are in constant pain and suffering, It truly feels like its Hell
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homie, the main characters of hazbin hotel are two women in a lesbian couple, what are you talking about
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I really do wonder how fucked up Rebecca Sugar's sense of morality is, its not just that the show's equivalent of space Hitler got fucking redeemed because of steven's talk-no-jutsu, but I think what's worse is that it teaches kids to forgive generally awful people that they will encounter, SU tells kids that people who trick you to have sex with him under false pretenses(pearl with garnet), people who emotionally abuse you and people who physically abuse are simply dealing with their own trauma and you should forgive them
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reading it right now and its pretty engaging, I kinda love how every one is sort of a bastard in this series, it gets a little too straining at the eyes sometimes, requiem is pretty hot, but it sucks that he was a Nazi soldier
God the Pearl/Garnet arc was so bad. And that they had to fuse again so they could escape that crusher trap
at the end of the arc sent the worst possible message. Fusion being both a shounen anime power-up and a metaphor for relationships at all was such a messy decision and the implications were never fully explored. You have Garnet who is, as she says "made of love" and is clearly stated to be made up of the romantic love between Ruby and Sapphire… and then you have Steg
. Like wtf is happening here?
Not to mention Stevonnie where Sugar tried to justify as "the awkwardness of puberty"
Yep two 13 years fusing to become some 26 year old bodacious hermaphrodite that is seen as "sexy" by everyone and when some dude hits on her? them?, he's seen as worse than Hitler.
shhhh not so loud!
she honestly tried to keep their relationship and then marriage a secret. she's been straight (and went through a fujo phase in the 00s) the whole time, but built this "make it gayer" image for some reason.
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I assumed there were other writers working on HB(cause of how schizophrenic and cluttered it can seem) but turns out the entire series and every episode is written by Vivziepop and Brandon Rogers with the exception of episode co-written by one Brandon's friends
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true, we get plenty of scenes of hot vampire dudes in impractical gothic leather outfits to almost make up for it
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So then what’s the difference between the child version of them growing up and having an adult relationship and then this scene from sailor moon where usagi and mamo meet and fast forward to them having a child? Aka fucking. I’m just curious where the line is drawn lol.
What makes this funny about Garnet being "made of love" is she said that she doesn't believe in "love at first sight", then "The Answer" comes out and Rebeeca wrote Ruby and Sapphire as love at first sight story (the fact she made a golden book off this episode is laughable); and don't get me started with her banking so much with the wedding shit that just feels force, like a way to try to "save" her badly written show again. >>1610634
Ugh. Still creeped out about everything about Stevonnie as a whole
it was retconned in viv's case. for the whole first season of the show, it was two dudes who met as adults because one of them wanted the other one's magic book. the guy who owns the book caught feelings, and the guy who wants to use the book hates him, but has sex with him for money/magic book/whatever.
in the most recent episode suddenly a major plot point is completely wiped and changed to a weird memoirs of a geisha backstory.
stated A24(well established production studio) has distribution rights to Hazbin Hotel and Horseless Cowboy(a noname production company that's done mostly straight to streaming service crap) has distribution rights to Helluva Boss.
good thing Silco is dead unless they bring him back for flashbacks
Admittedly when I first watched the show I thought it was going to be a weird Joker and Harley type relationship.
I could kinda forgive it because the last episodes were supposedly forcibly rushed popular fan theory is that Rebecca was super dead set on having the marriage episode even though the cn didn't want it so the execs got so triggered they said she only had five episodes to conclude the whole show
and also because it's a kids show so it's not like you can expect the bad guy to be thrown into a wood chirper on-screen, but Kevin made it even worse. How do you create a whole character so you can go "see? not everybody is redeemable" in order to subvert yourself
but still proceed do exactly what you were subverting and forgive every single other character? Kevin makes the whole thing so much stupider.>>1610771
She calls herself bisexual, as far as I know.
She's also a she/they, but in typical she/they fashion, even other gendies subconsciously realise that's just a pretty lame attempt at NLOGism so nobody treats her as anything other than a normal woman.
Holy shit I forgot about Kevin, the misogynist teen, as the irredeemable compared to the redeemable fascist gems who destroyed their own kind/experimented on them and killed off countless organic worlds/enslaved them.
God this show was a mess, both ethically and writing-wise
I'm amazed at how much contempt Rebecca has for the human characters compared to the gems. Fascists and someone who steals entire oceans are woobies, but god forbid some idiot rich kid wants a popular thembie at his party.
Like sure PD can abandon Spinel forever once she gets her colony
, among everything else she did, and oh well it's just Pink being Pink. But Marty? Marty's human garbage as far as the plot is concerned, much like Kevin. Apparently redemption only applies to space rocks and resurrected teenagers
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its worth noting that Lars was her OC since college, so it makes sense why she's so irrationally attached to him despite being an awful character
They made me really mad when Rebecca and Ian had the fucking nerve after the show was done, to then walk back and downplay on everything THEY WROTE about the Diamonds have did (on top of making gems from aliens made out of light and magic to "solar powered robots") to "push back" on people who rightfully criticize them for redeeming the Space Dictators.
Holy shit was making Rose really Pink Diamond a fucking big mistake
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Bee and Puppycat are going to have a remake in september on Netflix. I remember there was some scam drama with the series. What do you think about the new artstyle?
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they just returned to the pilot style
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In her latest navel-gaze, it turns out Noelle Stevenson sees herself like this and it honestly makes me feel sad for her because I still see "cute lesbian".
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oh my god yeah, it's so damn overdesigned! I'm glad I'm not the only one who has a hard time making out what's going on in some frames, there's constantly just way too much happening
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A lot of stuff from helluva boss when it comes to character tropes, random furry, and the Evil organization shit feels like it was took from a Mexican cartoon called villainous to me. It came out wayyy before helluva boss in 2017 and although a bit cringe it can at least stay more consistent when it comes to the way it’s characters are written.
oohhhohooo anon did i ever kek. i have no idea how it somehow, not even once, occured to me that she avoids contrasting colors that allow shapes/designs to be set somewhat apart. i have seen the light.>>1613519
and THIS is exactly why i dont regard her series or art as "fundamental and important to animation" like every other art-adjacent content creator would like me to believe. his design is objectively shit. theres nothing special about it besides his shape, at best hes meant to be the insert "sex-fiend gay drag" persona man. the trope is already overused as hell and giving him a stupid outside-of-the-box design doesnt change his cookie-cutter identity. something about the character has always been mildly visually disturbing for me and ive chalked it up to her creative visions as a whole, sad she wants to die on this style and these kinds of projects. stay mediocre, like your character designs, i guess.
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In the official SU podcat(Volume 3 episode 1) Rebecca sugar described their relationship as being "If Alfred(a servant) was in love with Batman" https://love-takes-work.tumblr.com/post/176311881752/steven-universe-podcast-volume-3-episode-1-heart
Ghana's a nice country, what's with Rebecca implying it was some "be grateful for what you have" moment for her?
The Pizza family are not poor or struggling, they're normal people and I actually really liked how the show didn't infantilize them or make them fobby like many white wokies do with token characters. Rebecca and Ian could have just said nothing and let the pretty good work they did on those characters speak for themselves.
Oh god when Rebecca and Ian said this crap. So many lies to cover up they're bad writing skills and the nerve and disrespect to both Alfred's and Batman's characters as a whole; Pink Diamond and Pearl are NOTHING like them>>1614102
Like never, like you said, Rose Diamond treated Amethyst like a child in flashbacks (Also kek at Pink Diamond "always wanted" to be Rose Quartz when no other time except for when Pearl told Pink to shapeshift into one when they got to her Earth Kindergarten)
>>1613030>internet goth bullshit
Oooohhh this made me realise that the art style reminds me of Invader Zim, but like, too much and very bad lol.
It seems like it was written by a girl who had grown up on tumblr and quirky sidesmirking Disney princesses and decided to be as edgy as possible, is this what vivzie is like?
Is this real? I'm wondering how much of this is performative garbage, there's no way anyone would think this makes any sense.>>1616144
You are spot on. She's (still) a massive Invader Zim fan, her old art was a ripoff of Vazquez's style https://www.deviantart.com/zoophobiahttps://www.deviantart.com/spami
This shit is so stupid. She tries so hard to give that flat stereotype of character a dramatic sad story, but it just doesn't work. It comes off as ridicolous, plus the horny aura with something that's so cartoonish really rubs me the wrong way. Like >>1619836
said, it's like one of those "creepy" dramatic brony songs.
Also imagine if she pulls the ultimate fujo move and gives Stella a girlfriend and goes with the "she was just gay all along and she won't interfere with the gay boys uwu" plot. I just think it's weird that she's just a bad hated villain because Viv made merch of her. She's going to "redeem" her in the worst way possible.
I kept seeing those ugly as sin characters and thinking they reminded me of Pan Pizza's (Rebel Taxi) art but couldn't quite tell why, maybe I was subconsciously picking up the Vasquez influence, except I honestly find Pan's art to be less bad, even tho it's less polished, probably because most of his characters aren't meant to be "attractive" or cute, contrary to the sexy Dr. Seuss abominations. Sage for no one asked for my art criticism.>>1619463
kek, the billboard just saying "drugs!"
Pretty much boils down to the gems going "Waa Greg stole Rose Diamond away from us, so fuck him!" and thinking Steven would be better off with them for gem stuff aka filling his head up with being the next new "Rose">>1620375
I love how they straight up got lazy and recycle Pink Diamond's backstory for Greg to try to also explain why him and Pink "understood each other" while dating
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Infinity Train has been pulled from HBO max, and now its creator Owen Dennis is advocating for pirating it if anyone wants to watch it. Looks like it's another result of >>1606635
>>1620381>I love how they straight up got lazy and recycle Pink Diamond's backstory for Greg to try to also explain why him and Pink "understood each other" while dating
There's zero reason why that relationship was significant. Rose/PD treated Greg like a plaything (what all her human relationships were like), but he stands up for himself once and she suddenly did a complete 180 to become a human respector, kek.
Would have been way darker and more interesting if she was portrayed as using Greg to create Steven for her own benefit, or because she was essentially suicidal.
greg's a disgusting and lazy piece of shit. his character normalizes and even justifies loser deadbeat daddery.
i understood what they were going for with finn's dad in adventure time - 80s kids always blame themselves for their shit dads leaving, or think that because their dad is a shitbag they're destined to be one too, and Finn learns that he doesn't have to have anything to do with Martin.
Greg is just a total deadbeat and it's framed as just another type of person to be accepting of. like that meme with hitler.
sorry to a-log but greg is such the opposite of anything approaching feminism that I can't beleive this is considered a "progressive" show. it's just about sex and men and the female aliens all live to serve men now?
I dunno anon, I remember a lot of the discourse at the time and people were saying she was acting like an ex who wanted to get back together in this episode and I can see it with her turning into Rose Quartz to upset Greg. It's not explicit though, so I could be looking into it too hard. It's still weird and to say that Rose Quartz somehow had a parental relationship to Amethyst though since Gems have no idea how to parent by design.>>1620567
The show fucks up Steven calling Greg out for being a deadbeat too and Greg is supposed to be in the right for not getting his son enrolled in school or letting him have a normal life, which is wild.
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>>1620567>sorry to a-log but greg is such the opposite of anything approaching feminism that I can't beleive this is considered a "progressive" show
This, by trying to be subversive and being inclusive towards others types of masculinity, they just circled back to the "Fat dad with hot wife trope"
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its actually a massive improvement compared to the original concept designs
for anyone wondering, Charlie is the one in the middle, Vaggie is they ray girl next to her, Hust is the white one between Al and Nifty, the green guy is named Xanathos, the girl in the top right is Cherri Bomb's old design, and the two twin characters are a boy and a girl named Xavior and Hart.
Xanathos, Xavior, and Hart are all old Zoophobia characters that were scrapped from the main cast
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so wolfman but hell edition, basically? I can't really wrap my head around that since when I think teen wolf my mind instantly goes to the old movie than the modern reboot (which to be honest I couldn't really get into it, felt like every serious drama ever).
so far the closest I can think of is making her more like this but less horny looking.
I don't remember the episode order in future, but wasn't the call-out episode right after Steven gets a checkup and we learn he's never been to the doctor before? Legitimately cannot believe they somehow framed Steven as in the wrong for calling the old man out.
Also Greg fused with his own child
, after his main introduction to fusion was freaking Rainbow Quartz and then Garnet. Seriously wonder what's going on in the Sugar household if this is seen as okay.
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I hated so much how he fused with Steven, because if it was just some >oh it's about connecting with other people and being in sync with someone's soul
Or something basic like that I wouldn't have minded, but hell, it was sexualized to hell and back, just look at this shit, are you telling me this wasn't drawn by someone with a hand in their pants?
I'm just annoyed because Sugar wanted to be woke and meaningful but ended up being fucking weird.
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Which honestly ruined them, with the whole autistic obsession with fusion that then they had when they saw the ruby and pearl fused.
I hated this episode so much, it was overall awkward.
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Cartoons don't need to show fathers with "others types of masculinity", all they need to show is good fathers that actually raise their own kids and help with the chores, etc. No matter what kind of men Greg is if in the end he is just another deadbet.
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They retconned Stevonnie into intersex… so what is Stegg supposed to be?
A double-dicked fat freak tbh.>I am an experience
Does that means Stegg is the experience of fucking your own dad?
that "polycule" gem, fluorite, was such a disgusting thing to put in a children's show. such grooming vibes from whoever wrote it.
garnet could have maybe been a representation of a more activist-style lesbian couple meeting an everyday, "i don't talk about who i fuck" couple in that episode, but instead it kind of just became "porn categories as gem characters"
Would have probably been a better ending than the "forgive the Hitler women because they said sorry" not gonna lie.>>1622527
I hate the "polyamorous" caterpillar thing that's barely functional too. It's hideous to look at. Its only saving grace is it barely being in the show.
A long time ago, (in the redraw or redline thread maybe?) I wrote a spergout about how you can't tell what time period the characters are supposed to have died in. Like >>1605344
said, the name "Angeldust," his being a stripper, and the big hair all have an eighties connotation, but apparently he's supposed to have died in the thirties? The old design, while it was cluttered and busy, at least communicated that idea more effectively. Viv can't seem to pick one idea and stick to it, she just throws like eight different ideas at a character with no regard for whether or not they'll jibe visually or logically.
I hate the fact that damn near every character has retarded scene kid hair. The Radio Demon is the worst instance of that because it doesn't fit his character at all. If he's from the roaring twenties, his hair and ears should be slicked back.
The asymmetrical scene kid shit with the Xes and programmer socks totally ruin Vaggy's design. I think the underlying idea was to have Vaggy be understated and grey as a contrast to how vibrant Charlie is. The hair bow is really the only pop of red you need in what should otherwise be a monochromatic design.
Finally (and this is a pretty minor issue but I might as well mention it somewhere) there's no logical or artistic through line for which characters are animals and what animals they are. I suppose Angeldust being a spider is the least nonsensical because of their association with the femme fatale trope, but I'm completely baffled by the Radio Demon Being a deer and the casino guy being a cat. I mean… the OBVIOUS choice for a covetous cheat would be a fox, right? And shouldn't the radio guy be something associated with sound, like a bird or a cricket? Or just have him be a literal radio cyborg, since it's not like we're adhering closely to logic anyway.
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Xanathos was redesigned into that Sir Pentious Black Hat rippoff snake character. >>1622571>HellGirl
She does look better but the red would still be an eyesore in that setting.
It's all such a waste, I don't know, the whole series need way too much work for it to be salvageable.
The concept is decent, but the character designs suck, the color palettes suck, the characters on their own suck, the music doesn't make any sense and the jokes are too dumb to be for adults and too vulgar to be for children or teens.
At least her other cartoon has some better ideas I guess, I would watch them if the colors weren't such an eyesore and if I gave a fuck about the characters.
Jeez the fact they did that to Peridot. So many people made fanmade/what if Peridot fusion ideas (same with Lapis) only for the crew to cuck them out of it completely for stupid shit like this (like the crew baiting folks with Garnet almost fusing with Peridot). >>1622674
This. Even though fusions are nothing new in shows, I like the idea of fusing to make a new gem. Then Rebecca had to ruin it all with the sex allegory, putting little to no effort for later fusion designs, saying diamonds can fuse, only to not do that with them (could have done it in a final boss kinda way), only Pink Diamond did; and saying there are non-fusion versions of fusion gems, only to not show any of that. The list goes on
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Sage because no one cares but I think the pilot design for Charlie is the best one. It's nothing stellar but the little Pikachu cheeks and puppy nose are adorable to me. In the old one she kinda looks like a steampunk engineer
Wasn't there an episode where a minor plot point was that greg either won the lottery or got some back pay royalties for one of his shitty songs being used in a commercial?
So yeah he doesn't even have poverty as an excuse, he's one of those moids who enjoys being a bum as a lifestyle choice
I watched the first season of SU with my mom, and she hated Greg lol. Probably because he reminded her too much of my own irresponsible, slacker father, but also because nothing about him makes sense. Like the only justification the show has for why he doesn't live in Steven's house is that he's needy and annoying when he does live there? And that he apparently likes living in his van. I don't understand why Greg and Steven couldn't just live in a little apartment above or attached to the car wash, and have the temple be a separate place entirely. The car wash is half a block away at most. The show is just sending a really mixed message as it is; either have him be a deadbeat layabout who lives in his van and frame it as bad parenting, or have him be a normal, somewhat laid back dad (the better option.) You can't have it both ways. The gems should be his teammates/teachers, not backup parents.
Also this has nothing to do with anything, but they should've gotten a different voice for young Greg. The VA worked fine for when he's a dad, but he doesn't work at all for an eighteen year old hair rocker.
It's because the old version wasn't the daughter of the devil and died sometime in 1800's>>1622795
The jokes write themselves.
He calls it "play therapy". That's a valid
thing, mostly aimed at kids but definitely therapeutic for some adults too.
This is not that. This is just a fucking fetish. "Escaping my past" Christ alive man, you have CHILDREN.
ugh i hated that episode. especially because they used that scene as a springboard to discuss how "traumatic" Steven's issues are. Connie's actual PTSD and child soldier grooming is only framed in the context of how it's later used to help Steven freak out less and her own coping is barely given any screentime. I get that the show revolves around Steven's POV but that makes it extra shitty that he wasn't even there helping his supposed best friend during her own crisis.>>1623135
especially because you know they're saying "intersex" because they can't come out and say "lolol they're a boy and a girl fused so of course they're a true hermaphrodite (shh no one needs to know those aren't real)" even when it's obvious that's what they're going for. Would not be surprised if that was another of Ian's coomer brainrot decisions if it wasn't Rebecca's misguided attempt at wokeness.
>>1622636> I mean… the OBVIOUS choice for a covetous cheat would be a fox, right?
Idk anon, have you ever owned a cat? They’re sneaky conniving little shits lol
I agree tho, a fox would have been cool and would have fulfilled Vivziepop’s tumblr sexyman furbait quota. I also had NO idea the radio demon was supposed to be a deer until I saw your post.
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or blue flame themed if they wanna keep the hell fire thing going on, her hair could still be light and everything if the colors were inspired by something like this
actually Charlie does have wings and horns. But viv said they make Charlie stand out too much so Charlie hides them 99% of the time
I do like the idea of keeping Charlie simple but that is such a good idea. She isn't suppose to be like the other people in hell. Give her like a blue suit or something that makes her stick out.
>>1623305>>1622636>the radio demon being a deer
Hell, Alastor looks like a fox to me and idk why she made his antlers so small. I get it, I get it, a prey animal having predatory traits aw isn't she so clever
but it's poorly executed. IIRC foxes don't hunt deer so any irony or subversions get a little lost.
Ugh right. Hated how whenever he got new powers out of the blue, he can magically use said powers like a pro which is funny as they rarely tried to trained him (unless plot calls for it).
Also speaking of the movie, this movie was such a boring mess. Other than Spinel(and her intro song)being the only good thing about this movie, the rest of the songs are meh as hell; characters are still useless as fuck with The Diamonds as a whole acting like as creepy aunts(god I still hate when they redeemed them); Rebecca's pacing, as well as plotting skills (plot being "Another gem comes after Steven because of his shitty mom, Pink Diamond, fucked said gem over" + filler with fixing each main 3 Crystal Gems after getting factory reset to they're old past… right after them just singing about their old past) are still trash.
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It seems like Julia Vickermen(the adult womanchild who acts pervy around underage boys) may have intended her character Reggie from twelve forever to have been trans
I remember Viv saying why some of them are animals/have certain traits but by now they're probably not canon anymore because she changes shit up so much.
Angel Dust is a spider because he was part of the mafia (and died in a gunfight?) that was like a "web". Alastor was supposed to be a radio speaker who was also a murdered and liked to kill deer iirc. Vaggy is moth themed but I can't really see it, Charlie is supposed to have goat elements (you can see it in her shoes resembling hooves in the pilot). The casino guy is I think a war criminal but I have no fucking idea why Viv went with that winged cat abomination, I guess she just wanted a furry there. I think Nifty has one eye because Viv said she was the girlfriend of a japanese criminal and she turned a "blind eye". Anyway their designs are supposed to be tied to what crimes they committed or what kind of life they had while alive, but I think most of the explanations make little sense.
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Ah yes, the grown adult woman who stalks little boys is really lecturing us about protecting children
I hate that Tom Scharpling fell for her.
I love his work and he always seemed like one of the smarter and less shitty men out there in the comedy world.
I guess he's just another idiot moid and convenient pedo apologist.
If more milk gets posted here and this particular post brings back up the sperging and infighting, I hope you know you're right. The retards from earlier in this thread kept saying shit like "b-b-but it's not real
CP. It's not actually hurting any kids! All artists do this!" and it's clear they're just defensive about writing shitty NSFW fanfic about teenage anime characters or whatever else. Sorry to those of you who are so unbearably horny and incapable of getting laid that you "have to" make porn of fictional children, but most of us are normal and understand how weird and pedophilic that is. They're really not too far from being SU production team members or Ms. Vickermans, themselves.
The first episode (was on YouTube but they've taken it down now it's fully released), I enjoyed it, first time I've laughed at an animation in ages. That blonde girl was a bit annoying but it'll all probably get explained. I'd say give it a go anon>>1638873
It was inventible that it'd start looking like that since it's very much anime inspired, when I saw the trailer I thought I'd hate it due to the style but whilst watching it seems to fit pretty well. I love the colour direction I'm always a huge nerd for that stuff, it's gorgeous!
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i have to wonder if her newest boyfriend broke up with her already, because she's been posting "thirst traps". Her nipple isn't exposed it's a pastie
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I knew that Dead End show would be uninspired woke garbage, but I hadn't quite expected it to be THIS hamfisted
The design is super weird. There are parts with decent details in the background and then the characters are so simplified it ends up looking more like Steven Universe.
And the characters are pretty lacking in interests or personality, they're basically just boiled down to "Ethnicity + Sexuality (or lack thereof)" which is weird for a show that's supposed to appeal to kids around age 7 and up
This is really weebbrained I'm sorry nonna.
There is a lot of cope with the dog person-thing so if that kind of thing bothers you then you're going to have to shut off the tv because I don't know how you'll be able to avoid animal people in a lot of cartoons.
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I was randomly scrolling through twitter when I noticed this development
when did she abandon they/them, think she regretted the top surgery? sorry if this is old news I just noticed last I heard about her she got top surgery
Yeah I definitely know what you mean. I mean if you do know Viv you'd know that she is
an actual furry, so it's not that surprising.
Nona's weebposting was just too sad to not say anything lol
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I watched the video and they confirmed their relationship status. Veronica is Oney’s ex and she’s 28 while LS Mark is an Irish youtuber who’s 20. It’s kinda weird that Veronica would date a mini clone of oney. He’s certainly not edgy like Chris is though. Here’s the bloke wearing Oney’s merch.
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Autistic furries sneaking their incest fetish in a children’s cartoon
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Same guy btw. Could be a joke but then again it’s a moid.
Quinton Reviews might as well be a fucking cow in his own right, honestly.
Not only is he offensively ugly, he's a creepy self-pitying sadsack social climber who was trying to slide into both Jenny Nicholson and Lindsay Ellis' DMs.
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speaking ROTMNT, one of the writers actually made Donnie(the nerd one) canonically "autistic-coded"
I have no idea who the audience for this is. Are there are enough Mindy Kaling fans to carry this show? I can't imagine adult Scooby Doo fans would be interested, but maybe I'm wrong.
I guess they are hoping for, like, a Harley Quinn type audience but adult gory Harley Quinn is not the same type of take as adult gory Scooby Doo. But what do I know, I dislike most popular tv shows.
Idk it looks like it might be kind of fun and I’m not particularly into Scooby Doo. I’m all for more adult animation geared towards women.>>1669279
I think in this case it does help to make this spin off even more distinct from the other family friendly Scooby media. The ensuing discourse online is good promo too I guess
I couldn’t really watch the show, despite liking the artstyle some of their changes, because of how centered it was around Donnie.
Like, all the other TMNT shows had their issues/episodes centered around specific characters but in this one you could tell that Donnie was a self insert due to how often he outshined others in the weirdest ways
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people are trying to claim that dan povenmire was a victim of child abuse, cause he revealed Ferb's relationship with vanessa was based on his own experience dating his older sister's friend when he was a teenager
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To repost from the mtf thread, Fred might be a tranny. The leaks from here have all been correct so far:https://thegww.com/exclusive-hbo-max-velma-character-descriptions/
Apparently he "hasn't hit puberty at 16" and "His secret is getting harder and harder to hide".
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I can't believe no one's brought this new load of complete pandering bullshit yet. God fucking damnit, I can't believe anyone cares about this or is giving it any attention. It's just beyond obnoxious. I also hate this art / animation style with every fiber of my being.
Who the fuck cares about Scooby Doo? Like oh my god, do we ever need some new goddamn IP. I am so sick of everything at this point.
This is what happens when dumbass fucking millennials who spent their lives writing fanfiction end up as the main creators in these studios and then everything just becomes fanfiction.
As a millennial: I am so, so, so fucking sick of millennial-generated media.
>>1669877>black character obsessed with weed
Did they think this through
I don’t necessarily think Fred is FTM from that description though
I hate gay representation that feels pandering rather than genuine, too, but your tone here feels a bit nasty. The problem isn't "ugh, gays in my cartoons?!" it's the soulless, corporate feeling to the decision. I think this is most noticeable in how they designed her love interest. She looks like the designers were trying to signal wokeness and trendiness at the same time. Tell me: What actual genius WOC
looks like that? Especially a lesbian. It's so obvious that she was designed with checkboxes and marketing statistics instead of heart.
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Shaggy looks like a background character from Family Guy and Fred looks like he was drawn by a fujoshi, like who even is the target audience for this
Those look like they were each drawn by different people. I'm getting strong Total Drama vibes from Shaggy, and that's not a compliment.>>1669939
Gotta love that the cowardly, dumb stoner is the one they chose to make black. Fantastic optics there.>>1670100>No dog
Lmao, that's why it's called "Velma?" The fuck? You can't get rid of Scooby. I get wanting to tell a more realistic story, but if that's the case, just have him be a normal dog that doesn't talk. Don't just fucking get rid of him entirely. No person on this green Earth has watched a show and thought "this would be better with fewer dogs."
Seems like making Velma a lesbian was a plot to distract from all the retarded creative decisions.
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i LOVE scooby doo retarded shit. i literally came to this thread to defend this because i only knew about lesbian Velma; which has been a joke for decades and i thought it could be interesting in a real sd show.
BUT NO SCOOBY??? I can literally watch scooby kiss Gene Simmons just FINE scooby doo is not srs business! but NO SCOOBY? They should be ashamed of themselves. FUck you.
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Kill it with fire, give us the Venture Brothers version of the gang with Valerie Solanas as Velma.
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this is the most absurd twitter brained take I have ever seen regarding any fictional character, you'd think this was a parody by early gamergaters, I'm not a scooby doo superfan but I have watched a ton of scooby doo cartoons on tv and I have never see any depiction of Fred taking credit for other's work, I do have a tinfoil that this may not be about Fred Jones himself but likely an angry projection based on grievances some of the writers might have had against the popular white jocks, cause they were the losers back in high school who were envious of the popular students and now have the power to depict their revenge fantasies
That was such a weird description. Fred was always kind tbh, and valued teamwork more than anything else even if he was bossy.
Seriously, who the fuck told the world that it's okay for idiotic losers with no friends, that got relentlessly bullied during their developmental years, to write at all? It's always the same shit, even outside of western media.>hot guy or girl is irredeemable bully>fat kid is funny>insert emo/band/theater/nerd/sporty/rich/poor/racist stereotypes here
Like fuck off with that shit, those stupid ass stereotypes mess up with the brains of the autistic dumbass children watching those shows.
I just don't get it, get a diary or therapy, but maybe write shit where people try to get along? I don't know, original shit, realistic enemies, real issues, real personalities.
If I was a teacher of some art academy or some shit, I would make the socially inept students go outside weekly, and talk to someone in a completely different field, of a different age group, or from a place that they don't know a thing of, so they can fucking learn that there's more in the world than some stupid stereotypes that has been beat to death a turned into a mushy pulp for fucking decades. Jesus Christ.
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can't find the others but here's a couple storyboards that were leaked on /co/, fred was noticeably drawn shorter then every other male character, so fuck we might really get fakeboi Fred Jones https://files.catbox.moe/imlkg1.pdfhttps://files.catbox.moe/akbhi9.pdf
IIRC somewhere in HB canon it's mentioned that Velma is supposed to be younger than the others, like, literally 13 or something. And yes, they're all teenagers.>>1670309
Pretty sure Fred has always been shorter than Shaggy.
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I've been seeing more Rick and Mortyy incest backlash and encouragement these days. Wild, I remember us talking about how weird it was almost a year ago. The pro incest half of this are…. something
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Of all the stuff for fujos to latch on to, WHY is it currently Rick and Morty? This is so strange observe just occurring naturally
>>1670139>like who even is the target audience for this
Adults who think it's the height of comedy to reboot media for children and add gore, drug jokes and sex jokes and who are into woke reboots, e.g not only is Velma Indian, Shaggy is black and kind of autistic (wtf on the austism), Daphne has two lesbian parents, one of whom is black, and Fred has disorder of sex development. And you know there are going to be some troons in the background.
Remember that animated Christmas streaming show with Sarah Silverman and Seth whatever (former fat comedian Seth) who played Santa Claus? And Santa Claus was a sexist bro and Sarah was an elf who was trying to fight against sexist Santa Claus and join the North Pole Board or something?
This Scooby Doo reboot was made by people with similar tastes as the ones who made that.
Rick and Morty? The tv show that was inspired by shorts that had Not!Rick manipulating Not!Morty into giving him blowjobs? How can anyone ship incest in that Rick and Morty?
It's still gross, but the show kind of did it itself.
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holy shit I just looked up it and your right, they're making a scooby doo spinoff without scooby doo
>The “Scooby-Doo” universe is about to come back in a big way, but don’t expect Scooby-Doo to be involved. “Velma,” a new adult animated series that features Mindy Kaling as the voice of the titular character, promises to satisfy longtime fans of the cartoon series who want to pair their nostalgia with a more mature sense of humor. It features adult versions of the crew from the mystery machine, but in order to ensure that Velma is front and center, Scooby himself won’t be making any appearances.>Appearing on a panel for the show at New York Comic-Con (via Insider), showrunner Charlie Grandy explained that the decision to omit Scooby-Doo from the series was an attempt to differentiate the adult show from the family friendly property that inspired it.>“We couldn’t get a take on it that was like, ‘How do we kind of do this in a fun, modern way?'” he said. “That felt like what made it a kid show was, Scooby-Doo.”>Grandy also made it clear that even though Scooby-Doo won’t show his face, the new series still exists in the same universe as the iconic mystery-solving canine.>“I think it’s nice to kind of allude to dogs in the world,” he said. “It’s fun and let’s just kinda leave it that.”>The more adult subject matter in “Velma” is likely to please James Gunn, who attempted to write an R-rated live action “Scooby Doo” movie in 2002 before studio interference ultimately led to the script being watered down into a family friendly film.>“The first Scooby-Doo was originally intended (by me, the producers & the director, Raja Gosnell) to be PG-13, but we never got a PG-13 rating,” Gunn recently wrote on Twitter. “The first rating from the MPAA was R, & then a bunch of stuff was changed, & that cut ended up being rated PG.”
so they think having a dog in the show will ruin the tone of the series and make it less adult and mature
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It could have still been adult with the dog. What a stupid decision
I have this tangent about Turning Red, I find the movie extremely interesting as it encapsulate perfectly the phenomenon of yassification. Red if I remember correctly was written by team of liberal millennial women, and it shows very well how did the mindset of people changed.
Coming of age movies with parents as 'antagonist' because they are suffocating are nothing new in the media landscape, but they all followed the same arc. Protag want to do X, parent don't want them because they view it as harmful so they act like tyrant to protect their child, child get upset about the tyranny and are in conflict with the parents. Usually then later in the movie some new danger arise related to the fear of the parents, and in the darkest hour for the child the parent comes to the rescue. Then there was a cute moment of understanding between the parent and child where both understood one another. The parent understanding there were suffocating for their children that just wanted to explore the world by themselves and the children understanding that the parent was warning them of a real risk and only wanted the best for them, even if it was done in a clumsy way.
In turning red that story scheme goes out the window, the mother is presented as being wrong in every way, warning her daughter of an actual real risk and still being shown as the bad guy, then the movie chug along, the daughter just not giving two shit, the climax of the movie being a show down between daughter and mother where the mother is shown as an irredeemable cunt and the daughter reckless behavior is completely justified.
I think it represents exactly the brain rot that is liberalism and libfem thought, the moral of the story is "do whatever you want cause you are awesome, anyone disagreeing with you is an asshole and only deserves to be crushed" which honestly is quite a sociopathic way of seeing the world. While the old version of these movies was "Love your parents, even if they are beings cunts they want the best for you and you will understand it one day by communicating"
And I'm skipping on the whole undertones of the Panda representing puberty and in some dubious sexual sense where the MC start selling hugs in a bathroom at a party because everyone would love to touch her secret red Panda…
Long post for some unimportant movie, but I think that movie is a great representation of how modern liberalism is turning kids into sociopaths with extreme selfish tendencies
>>1670990> some dubious sexual sense where the MC start selling hugs in a bathroom at a party because everyone would love to touch her secret red Panda…
Bruh wtf are you talking about no scene like that happened in the movie? The closest thing you're probably describing is when Mei and her friends surprised some girl with panda merch
in the school bathroom. Also the panda fundraising aspect was also done mostly through photos and shit.
Also Ming was never depicted as an "irredeemable cunt". She genuinely loved Mei yes, but her grip on her was too much and lead to events that embarrassed Mei (the pads scene, accusing a random clerk of being a groomer) and was stifling her independence in general. Mei not wanting to be suffocated with Ming's high expectations barely qualifies as "sociopathic".
The movie is no masterpiece and idgaf about the artstyle or what anyone else thinks of it, but it's weirding me out when some people on this board try to twist the film as having some Cuties-tier shit going on (she was selling pics of her panda form and giving people hugs in exchange for money this is obviously a prostitution metaphor ya'll!!!!!!!!!!!1!) this is a Pixar
movie holy shit.
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Bump. Be careful scrolling and always remember to hate all men.
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Lazy ass hacks couldn't even make Shaggy's hair look like this?
>>1671034>the panda fundraising aspect
was kind of right, though, about the change in coming of age/kids adventure movies. In the past, the parents were either off doing their own thing in parent world and the kids had to deal, or they parents tried to help but were blocked from helping so the kids had to deal, or the parents and kids were in the mess together and they had to work together to solve the problem, and in the process, solved their family issues.
The movies with the plot "Your parents/family were the whole problem all along" is new and a definite change. It's due to creators today using these movies to work out their personal issues instead of just writing movies that are entertaining. If they are lucky they manage to keep it in check enough to make the movies relatable so that the movies are successful.
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>>1670349>Why are the characters 16? I'm pretty sure they were always meant to be around 20
Late but they were always teenagers in the original series but in later series the gang does get aged up. Hence the "you meddling kids" line.
>>1671150> No more writing for franchises that you despise (comics is full of this).
Doesn't this go back to the 70s and 80s for comics? My knowledge of comics history is sketchy, but I thought that started when the boys who had been reading comics in the 50s and 60s became old enough to write them in the 70s and 80s.
A lot of them sought jobs drawing/writing comic books because they wanted to create stories that they wanted to read and not because they wanted to create similar kinds of stories that they had read as kids for another generation of children.
Anyone who comes into an creative industry looking to create media that they would enjoy, and who looks down their nose at creating media the target audience would enjoy, should be banned for life from that industry.
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>>1671627>is Daphne supposed to be East Asian here?
yes and also working class and raised by two lesbian moms >Forget everything you know about Daphne Blake. It should take zero seconds as there was nothing to know. She was attractive, but also… she wore purple. That’s it. Until now… Our Daphne is diverse, and a foundling raised by two female police officers. Yet, despite her loving home, Daphne still struggles with abandonment issues and an insatiable need to uncover her mysterious past. On the plus side, she’s been able to use that ruthless drive to claw her way to the top of Poortown High School’s popular clique “The Rich Kids and Daphne” as just a freshman. Though she’ll have to get in touch with her softer side to finally understand her complicated feelings for Velma. And, perhaps even more importantly, why she has red hair.
her moms also get a character description >Det. Diana Blay. Female, 30s-40s. Series Regular:>Female, African American. The 30s-40s. Daphne’s mom, Diana is a hard-nosed, fourth-generation cop. She leads with her jocular sense of humor but is better at muscling confessions out of criminals than handling the subtle nuances of both police work and parenting.>Det. Lillith “Lilly” Ke. Female, 30s-40s. Series Regular:>Female, open ethnicity. The 30s-40s. Daphne’s mom, Lilly is a sweet, demure, caretaker who just wants everybody to be happy. She’s more comfortable using her words than her fists but will go full mamma bear when threatened.
I'm genuinely starting to believe the tinfoil, that this is all some elaborate revenge fantasy/wish fulfillment on part of the writers
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this show was made by millennial liberals who vote democract and live in online echo chambers, they suffer from brain rot and will never understand how fucking unlikeable they come across to everyone
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I don't think there's anything wrong with spin-offs, certain spin-offs have even surpassed their original show and have been groundbreaking in some respects such as Frasier and The Jeffersons, Velma isn't a spin-off its a "retelling/soft reboot" and there are no such thing as bad characters just bad writers, Alan Moore used a bunch of second hand DC rejects as the starting point of what would become the main characters for watchmen, but Mindy Karling and her team aren't Alan Moore, so it will suck
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An influx of sadboi Fuji types who normally skinwalk Shinji Akari morph into this bitch
Not unlikely at all tbh. Lesbians are overrepresented among LEOs IRL, and office romance happens. As for Daphne they aren't wrong she was undeveloped as a character beyond just being >Stacey, but I'm sure whatever they come up with will be intolerable. And picrel of >>1671712
is 100x more unattractive than the original Velma ever could be, ugh.
Daphne has a bunch of potential exactly because she's basically just a Stacy.
She could be a Stacy that isn't good with historical facts but it's great with solving problems quickly and idk physics.
Blank slate characters can become memorable, I just can't believe that the idiot writing this "reboot" if it can be even called that at this point, is just trying to get as many brownie points as possible.
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I seriously hate the Bratz's lips, were they really necessary?
>>1671783>this reboot is for…those 90s children who are now adults to watch…by themselves
This. Off topic, but I’m confused by what Most animation writers are doing.
They’re working in a company that makes kids content, so you think that they would make simple stories with morals…. instead these writers constantly show that they don’t want to write for a kids show and create these needlessly complicated world building/arcs in shows made for kids.
Like, why can’t there be more of a balance out there of nonsense cartoons that I can turn my brain off to
>>1671653>working class Daphne
literally lmao what
Scooby Doo enthusiasts, correct me if I'm wrong and I don't if all the SD lore connects, but don't all these kids come from money in some way>fred>parents are nouveau-riche super spies >shaggy>family has a plantation in the south and were gold mining cowboys or something iirc>velma>old country old money her great uncle has a castle in europe>daphne>standard american rich girl
Shows like this are only made for their creators.
They have no actual vision and can't stop huffing their own farts.
I'm not the same anon. I really liked the original DC Super Hero Girls and I really liked Super Best Friends Forever. I was so excited when I heard she was going to reboot Super Hero Girls.
And then I saw the horrible character design. And then I watched shorts. And I hated all of it. The characters are ugly. Barbara is spazz. And Barbara is the main character instead of it being an ensemble. It all sucked.
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So the uncropped version of this promo has a bunch of high school girls with nothing but suds covering them up? I’m honestly so confused by the optics of this new series. They’re trying to appeal to an audience but don’t seem to understand what they will and won’t like.
I genuinely couldn’t give less of a shit about the racebending. Scooby Doo gets rebooted and retold all the time and I see this aspect as just a new iteration. What I’m confused by is all of the really strange writing decisions they’re making. Rebooting characters don’t have to be one to one in terms of their original stories but the general dynamics should be the same. That’s kind of the appeal of robots; dynamics between characters that work but in different settings that aren’t possible in the original stories. Completely removing a main character in this dynamic is the first nail in the coffin. Mystery Inc had a very serious tone and still had Scooby. Daphne being working class is such a strange choice. Making her parents lesbian WOC
who are fucking cops seems extremely tone deaf. If Fred is trans why is a celeb voicing him? Why make the only black character the massive stoner? Really just kind of showing their unconscious biases here.
All of these choices are making me start to believe the tinfoil that Mindy wanted her own original show but HBO would only allow it with an existing IP attached. Would’ve made for much better representation anyways.
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I liked how Daphne was portrayed in the 2000’s movies.
Yeah, man. We have forums and everything, lol.
Seriously, though, yes. But the fact that a boatload activity is on forums and websites should tell you everything you want to know about the fandom. Which is that it's mainly gen x's, but there are some Instagram accounts and a couple of youtube channels started by millennials who got into Scooby Doo from the live action movies and the occasional gen z wanders in due to the new cartoons, lego movies, etc.
A History of the Online Scooby-Doo Fandom https://scoobysnax1.weebly.com/blog/a-history-of-the-online-scooby-doo-fandom
Remember that animated Christmas movie with Sarah Silverman who played an elf and Seth Whoeever (former fat comedian Seth) who played Santa Claus? And Santa Claus was a sexist bro and Sarah was an elf who was trying to fight against sexist Santa Claus and join the North Pole Board or something?
This Scooby Doo reboot was made by people who thought there would be a huge audience for that.
Fred was written as autistic in Mystery Incorporated and most of the Scooby media released after. It's a really great version of Fred that builds on his already existent character traits of obsession with his van and mystery solving which were previously played as gags, and really well recieved by audiences. Not to mention, a really good portrayal of autism as something that the defacto leader can have. It's pathetic to see them writing off Fred as a ebil white man who will probably be the butt of every joke because he's white.>>1670973
Selfish adults who can't let things be innocent and good for children. It's absolutely wrong, write a new show instead of making a kids series 'for adults'.>>1671794
Daphne has always been a rich girl, in every incarnation of her character. Moreso than the other characters which sometimes differ.
>>1671802>Movies SHOULD be about real life problems and issues,
Nope. The huge shift on making entertainment relatable instead of escapist or inspirational is one of the worst things to happen to modern tv/movies.
By inspirational, I don't mean xtian stuff, I mean 'this character is one you would want to be like' vs 'this character is flawed just like you', e.g. the change from Billy being an good kid who tries very hard to act like an adult when he is Captain Marvel/Shazam to Billy being a troubled kid who acts like one when he is Captain Marvel and has to learn to be responsible.
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They learned nothing from Disney's Ownward.>>1671794
I was always under the impression that everyone in the Mystery Gang is wealthy too. Daphne's personality changes in every adaption (because the writers don't know what to do with her) but her being rich is an essential part of her character. If I had to guess it sounds like the writers for Velma are trying to make Daphne the "rich poor kid" >>1671653
(…is Poortown supposed to be Coolsville?).
And why do all the characters have a dark and mysterious past? This is YanSim levels of writing kek.>>1671815
Disgusting. Is it that hard to find an animator who isn't a complete degen perv?>>1670300>>1671826>I do have a tinfoil that this may not be about Fred Jones himself but likely an angry projection based on grievances some of the writers might have had against the popular white jocks>It's pathetic to see them writing off Fred as a ebil white man who will probably be the butt of every joke because he's white.
Mindy Kaling has a fetish for white men, especially blond, white men. Fred is her husbando so I doubt they'll make him a villain in this series. The most they'll do is poke fun of him for being white and a himbo.
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>>1671658>>1671758>everyone will go full retard over Daphne for being the daughter of TWO police officers
already happening https://twitter.com/search?q=%22lesbian%20cops%22&src=typed_query
I think it's purely targeted at queer mostly bougie white zoomers. Like not even black or asian people are really supposed to watch this.
it's probably been pointed out before but the reason this stuff keeps all getting canceled is because it's "diversity" targeted at a demographic that is already completely media saturated. It's not bringing new people, just people who identify as a lot of new things.
In some ways from a progressive perspective it's actually a step backwards from 2000s and 90s tv where they just made a lot more black and hispanic shows because there was nothing targeting them. UPN was a lot more diverse and helped a lot more creators than the CW did for example.
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Bad argument on my part, technically lots of older people call anyone younger than them kids (e.g. 50 year olds call 30 year olds kids). Hanna-Barbera's Archie animated series was a hit in the late 60's. This came shortly after the backlash of having cartoon superhero and action shows on the network. Parents were worried about the violence and raised their concerns. The network felt pressure and seeing Archie have success wanted more shows like it. So the network wanted Hanna-Barbera to create a show revolving around teenagers and the radio show I Love a Mystery. They were originally suppose to be in a traveling band but that got scraped. Who's S-S-Scared? was a title for the show but rejected. There's more but the gist of it is network needed new shows due to pressure, show with teens having wacky hijinks does well, and wants a show similar to it. Not a giant Scooby Doo fan just remember reading stuff about it as a tween and being fascinated on the creation. The episode with Mama Cass always gave me an unsettling feeling. Also side note, is Shaggy still a vegetarian? I remember reading Casey Kasem wanted Shaggy to be a vegetarian because he was a vegetarian.
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the scooby apocalypse comic def counts as batshit imo.
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Brooklyn 911, DC's Maggie Sawyer, Wynonna Earp, Ownward, Mindhunter, Law & Order, Arcane/LoL, Blindspot, Miss Officer and Mr. Truffles. It's common enough.
>>1672038>B-but drawn child porn isn't real child porn
Why don't you
go back to Twitter?
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The scooby apocalypse comics is actually super cool, i enjoyed it. Its really short too.
I would take strong Daphne and hipster Shaggy any day over whatever crap this "Velma" spin-off is. What you showed is Scrapy Doo in this comics, Scoobs looks normal.
Sorry for sperg but: marketing. The creators of these shows play on both teams at the same time: They know how much outrage it creates among those who hate race swaps/diversity casting, and how much woke twitter zoomers will love it. Both generate massive publicity for the project and either way the show will be talked about. This has gotten so insanely prevalent within the past 5 years or so and it will happen more and more because how much exposure and money is there to be made. It's getting out of hand though. Daphne is a working class east asian raised by two lesbians, Shaggy is black, Velma is indian, Fred is possibly a fakeboi and the dog was entirely removed kek. It's so ridiculous it reads like someone making fun of 2015 tumblr sjws. >>1671815>create ridiculously over the top hyperwoke reboot>still manage to sexualize the already over-sexualized teenage girl
Millenial moment. Why are they like this?
That's literally some conservafag trying to paint le liberal millenial globohomo boogeymen brainwashing muh pure children into prostitution, delinquency and degeneracy, don't mind them.>>1671989>Scooby Doo anime (the eng dub of Ghost Stories is basically this anyway just with a demonic cat)
kek how do I get this funded
This is just another case of a writer self inserting themselves into a series and not really caring about the franchise. Mindy Kayling is the writer and the voice of Velma.
Velma isn't Indian to be woke, she's Indian because modern writers for cartoons are narcissists.
You can add this to the list of poorly woke remakes that are just self inserts
Velma, I am not starfire, Nubia real one, that weird version of spider woman in a wheelchair
yes. there are many ultra-realistic movies and shows that are excellent. withnail&i, maison ikkoku, noriko trilogy, and a modern example is the great north - a cartoon that is so focused ont he mundane that its plots are zero-stakes as opposed to low-stakes, and somehow is still watchable.>>1672037>>1672056
they're common in real life so i didn't know this was a "trope". the police chief of my city is a butch lesbian and the two beat cops that are always arresting junkies on my mom's street are a couple (which, how do you see each other literally 24/7 and not get divorced, i need to know)
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>>1672960>You can add this to the list of poorly woke remakes that are just self inserts
another one for the collage
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>>1673252>Isn't Steven closer to Rebecca's brother than herself?
Steven is literally her brother, his name is Steven Sugar
Yeah. The point being Steven isn't really a self insert since their inspiration for him was obviously a third person. (Steven did work on the show but I don't think he was a writer or his influence was limited to what the writers took from him). Unless you replace this image >>1673185
with Pearl instead of Steven to be more accurate (more accurate than Steven at least).
agree. for millenials, porn was mostly a joke except for older moids who sometimes bought magazines (like guys born before 1990). a minority of boys under 18 would watch it online and if someone got caught with it on their computer they'd be fired (like a teacher or office worker). no one sent nudes until like 2012 and the phrase "sex work" didn't exist outside of fat acceptance libfem blogger type communities.
when i meet people born after 1995, pornography is just in the same category as "videos" and everyone's been watching it since they first learned to use a computer.
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hi nonniez, i'm reporting back from the comic shop to say that scooby apocalypse is good reading and you should check it out. it rushes the ending a bit because i think they got a cancellation notice last-minute, but it's still fun b-movie style scifi with major interpersonal melodrama. if you like resident evil, the blob, or hammer horror, this is your type of trashy comic book!
this website probably has it: https://readcomiconline.li/
Absolutely disgusting. I think I remember one of the show creators, Roland, saying that he was a victim
of csa- so I’m assuming that has a part to why it’s so referenced in the show, but is just so gross
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I am the >>1672186
anon and I am glad you liked it! I think there is a small comics thread in /m/ somewhere, you can post it there too. I liked how the characters weren't sexualized even when they would have ripped parts on their outfits (yeah, that's a small thing to be happy about but every time artists would draw a woman in damaged suits she would always have her chest open or w/e) and Daphne was my favorite part of it, along with Velma's funny moments. Shaggy would have been every Tumblr's girl dream if these comics was popular because of how beautiful he is there.
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ew. Really regret watching that. I never seen Rick and Morty but I assume it's whole stick is to be shocking and offensive? If that is the case I guess they succeeded based on this clip but then again a disturbing high number of moids has an incest fetish so I genuinely can't tell if this is dark "comedy" or legit fetish fuel
What millennial moids have you been talking to? All of the ones I know have crippling porn addictions. Maybe you just don't notice because they don't tend to constantly publicly display it on social media it the way zoomer moids do, but it's there. It mostly leaks through in "jokes" or memes, or sometimes they get uncomfortable when they see or hear innocent stuff because it reminds them of porn.
The girls seem to be the ones more affected between the generations imo. Only about one in six millennial women I know have had porn issues at one point in their life or another, and all of them were groomed by people they personally knew. Two of those six will be extremely chaste and oblivious, though, but they are usually NLOGs who think there's no way their precious moids could be coomers or misogynistic abusers. Meanwhile, the statistics are flipped for zoomer women and girls. I would say only one in eight zoomer women have never had any porn issues, and one in three have had or currently have porn addictions. They're the ones running this bimboism trend, and in a couple decades we will be seeing the consequences of this all.>>1673783
God I wish. I stopped watching R&M after the dragon episode, where Rick, Morty, and Summer are all mentally connected to a dragon at one time and all of them get sexual pleasure from it. I think there was also a joke early on about Morty masturbating to Summer or something, and I don't think it's a coincidence his crush has the same hair color as Summer, either. Incest isn't the only thing put in there, either. There are a lot of jokes about Summer peeing herself. I'm sure there are more, but I haven't watched any of it in awhile, and I can't remember most of it (thankfully).
, sounds like a good idea, feel free to make a thread if you would like! Sadly I am not too good at making threads myself.
LS Mark did a great video covering this topic, the over indulgence on putting shows writers fetishes into the show be it.. as random gags, plotpoints or full on episodes centered around them, the fetishes go beyond just incest and piss fetish of roland
topic starts at 3:07
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this video is stupid because for some reason it only blames dan harmon for the incest shit when it's likely roiland's fault. he's a fan of shadman's incest drawings.
Not to sound like a WK but basing characters (main characters or not) of of yourself or people you know isn't really that bad. Self-inserting has been practiced since the dawn of time just look at Dante's Inferno
. Write What You Know (and let's face it, writing from personal experience has the advantage of making a story more authentic than say, trying to write from a different culture, sexuality, experience you're not from or whatever–you're gonna fuck up. Just look at the way Detroit: Become Human
shittily tried to ~~address~~ American racism: it fucked it up so bad that it bordered on offensive and the reason it fucked up so bad is because the creator is a White French guy who has no idea what he's addressing courtesy of never actually experienced the topic he's trying to talk about. (Not saying you can't write about experiences you don't know or experience from either, but if you're gonna do it you need to be cautious and sensitive about it especially if it's a can of worms topic like racism like Detroit: Become Human
–otherwise you'll come up with something hamfisted.)) is a staple like Show, Don't Tell. As long as a writer doesn't go overboard and turn their self-inserts a la Kirito a la Isabela Swan perfecto Gary/Mary Sues, the it's fine…which picrel aren't really a good example tbh.
is not the problem. How a writer handles
self-inserting is the problem.
Yeah I don’t really understand why people harp on this as everyone who created things is just drawing from their own experiences. People only bitch about self inserts when the writing is bad kek.>>1674295
It is so bad. I’m amazed at the fanbase he was able to acquire despite being so objectively terrible in everything he did.
The green dyed haired one is the only one that really gets to me, because it's so obviously just a self-portrait. The others are generic enough that lots of kids can relate to them but that one is so specific it even has the roots coming in.
Pretty sure the show is about magic and witches so she could just make her self-insert have pastel magic hair, but no, it had to be exactly her except pointy elfy ears.
Child molesters lie about being victims
of csa themselves to get sympathy/because they think it’s hot. I don’t see why a pornsick coomer wouldn’t do the same thing.
That zoomer. Not the coomer.
Didn't the rick and morty creators try to solicit some underage girl for alex hirsch to fuck and then bully the girl off the internet when she published the chatlogs?
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Well, this is a fun twist.
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Wow, legit groomer energy.
How come that never got them cancelled?
Why are some scrotes above the law and rules?
Rick and morty is basically the Bible for a lot of toxic
nice guy types. So no surprise shit like this is getting overlooked.
how is pervy in any way not a synonym for evil
wtf are you, some tumblr porn artist
Being pervy and being a straight up rapist aren't on the same level, nonnie
Bilingual education as in teaching kids another language? Or bilingual education where you round up all the latino kids into a Spanish only environment and segregate them from the other non-Spanish speaking kids and then dump their asses into English only middle school and watch their grades and self-esteem plummet because they didn't learn a lick of English in elementary? And then they fucking wonder why these children don't excel.
I know this because I had cousins put into that system and it doesn't fucking work. If fucking first gen Asian and African children aren't rounded up in the same manner, then why are latino kids? It's disgusting.
>>1677666>the fucking Joker care about bilingual education
That's the joke nonnie
. American white liberals are sociopathic.
nonna(s), the show is clearly not making fun of them, harley and ivy are presented as being in the right in every situation, even when the joker becomes mayor and literally dismantles the police force, its shown to have a universally positive change for Gotham(cause his policies are what the writers also believe in), Harley Quinn comes from the same place as Velma, like Batman is presented as a spoiled privellged manbaby and dick grayson is some weird stereotype who were mensa as teenagers, it's not a critique of anything, the show is a liberal power fantasy not
here's an example of when they clearly intend to make fun of a character, the writers aren't clever or subtle about it, cause their idiots
Send them to supplementary Spanish classes then like all the Chinese do to their kids in America
Also what the fuck did I just watch!? What a cursed series.
Sometimes I legitimately wonder when the industry folks will comeback to this thread. It’s post like this that remind me that 14 year olds must post here. Alex got a nice million dollar check from Disney (which in the grand scheme of things he was clearly ripped off from how much they made from his series, but it’s the rat that’s why everyone warns about working for them)
He has over 2 million in net worth? Why would you think he’s struggling to get work? He simply is in a spot now where he doesn’t have to work unless it’s a passion project now.(sage your shit )
He’s been attached to several projects since GF and been removed from every single one including HIS pilots.
Are YOU in the industry, anon? It’s an open secret that he’s difficult to work with and has been from the minute Disney picked up GF. There are few people willing to take a chance on him at this point, he burns out in production early and leaves his crew picking up the pieces. So many of the people championing him earlier in his career have given up on him.
>>1677813>harley and ivy are presented as being in the right in every situation>the joker becomes mayor and literally dismantles the police force
That's the joke nonnie
, again. Ducking criminal dismantling the police and being "right". Batman is ducking idiot and so is everyone else in this show. You are taking it way too literally.
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if you like the show that's fine, but please don't pretend that the writers aren't inserting their actual political opinions, its not subtle at all about it and you are being willfully blind if you pretend that its actually doing the opposite and supposed to be making fun of libfems, like these are the actual writers of the show
kek ok but THIS post sounds like a kid wrote it.>misunderstands meaning of net worth>thinks a million dollar check means anything in 2022, especially to a self-employed showrunner who lives in LA or NYC>thinks a guy who made one show that fujos and hipsters watched made enough money that he "doesn't have to work"
anon have you ever had a job even
CSA survivors either do the work to heal or they let it warp their mind until they become the next generation of groomers.
Whenever I see people use “b-but I’m a survivor! I’m healing by reclaiming my trauma in a safe way!” as an excuse to indulge in the same kind of shit that damaged them in the first place, it really comes off as them trying to hide the fact that they’ve already become the monster. The risk of becoming a sexual degenerate is inherently much higher for moids to begin with even if they started out normal, so fucking around with incest and pedophilic fantasies when your sexuality has already been warped as a boy is just asking for it to escalate.
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Kek wasn’t Mindy Kaling known for being like a diet Republican for a while? I think she distanced herself from them once the Trump era started and claimed she isn’t one anymore, so people had enough time to forget about it.
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Even before s3 premiered they had decent numbers though, I feel like there’s a different reason as to why the Owl House got canned. https://mobile.twitter.com/DisneyAPromos/status/1583467539002073093/photo/1