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So here's a new one so we can continue talking about the cringe in the goth/alternative scene
Ft.
ItsBlackFriday
ToxicTears
Drac Makens
OfHerbsAndAltars
And any other altcow
No. 326952
>>325125idk the tattoo itself is ripping off basic clip art so the 'artistic integrity' of slapping it together is kind of questionable imo
the kerning is shit tho, the person who inked this copy ought to be ashamed
>>325475i think that part of it is maybe that she's not that fluent in the language, so it's hard for her to find a job in Germany, especially with her #aesthetic. as a result she's decided to rely solely on Youtube income which explains the constant bitching about money, because vlogging's really not all that stable of a means of income– especially if your vlogs rely on you splurging on frivolous, expensive clothes/makeup or taking trips/going to events constantly. i can't even imagine how much of a hoard she must have gathered at this point–maybe that's another reason she has the second apartment but refuses to rent it.
idk i've never really been into IBF's content so these conclusions are just reached from what I've read in the thread. but i imagine that Mattias was probably expecting her to make a lot more money than she actually does, having that sweet e-fame and all. She only has half a million subscribers and doesn't drop videos all that often; there's an article on Business Insider around 2014 which claims that even videos that earn 1,000,000 views only make about $1000 after Youtube takes the cut from ad revenue. Not only has the dollar's value gone down since then, but if the hit from the Youtube ad boycott is anywhere as severe as she claims, it probably isn't a good sign.
Also she's done 15 videos in the past month-ish, which seems to be a pretty significant jump from the number of videos she was making in previous months, but only four of them have gotten past the 100k mark.
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Kaya looks a lot better in this video
No. 329283
>>328327is it just me or is making giant plastic necklaces of your online handle aND THEN WEARING IT YOURSELF kind of egotistical
like i get it when people are like 'oh my name is karen, someone gave me a necklace with a K on it' but Toxic Tears is not her real name, this is literally just merch she had made up to try to sell to fans, and then she's wearing one around to…rep herself, I guess? in her own video?
No. 329409
>>329283Maybe. Can't say 100% yes but yea, it's weird. I mean…why would you want to sell that to anyone? Why would any person want to wear your name around their neck or face on a shirt?
Not even celebs do that kind of thing, at least with the necklaces. It's weird af. Guess it's some sort of self promo thing, would make more sense if she tried to promote Jakes band or whatever he's up to
>>328327I don't directly follow her, but is her style going more into a, uh, colorful/cute direction? At least more than usual?
I like the lipstick color No. 329704
>>326952But I mean, even when she lived in New Zealand when she started YouTube, I don't think she worked? She was going to school though for film no?
But yeah vlogging is definitely not a stable career path so I understand she may be tight for money but maybe she could consider doing some part time gig work like dog walking (she could do vlogs while doing this) or make some money helping elders with grocery shopping. You know little things like that to help make some side money. It wouldn't be too time consuming and she could still make videos.
I guess I'm just worried is all because Ifeel like her e-fame isn't going to earn her all that much money. I mean even Reeree had to open up a Patreon to help make some money after the Youtube Ad boycott thing.
>>328367Jobless? I thought he did work?
>>328499Yeah she isn't Goth anymore and moved on but I really loved her blog, it's what helped make my move into the Goth subculture easier as she pretty much covered most of everything. From reading her story about why she moved on from Goth, it feels like she may have got stagnated in it and needed change because if you see how she looks now, it's quite a shift but as long as she's happy. :)
>>329407Yeah I feel deep down she's a cool friendly person. It's just her influx of sponsored content that kinda can be a drag to see.
>>329409Mainly her fans that are in still middle or high school?
No. 330057
>>330054Worth watching tbh, thanks for posting it anon
This actually reminded me of TT and the previous discussion in the old thread on how a person just "has" to look goth to be goth etc
No. 330278
>>330026Ah okay, I must've missed or forgot that then… I remember her saying she used to pick fruits as well but I wasn't sure if she said she was in high school doing that or if she were in college.
>>330114Ah okay thanks! Yeah okay then, I take back what I said. But I still think that that if the YouTube thing really does affect her funds, she should seriously consider doing some side gigs to help get by. I'm assuming Matthias makes enough money to support themselves to a degree so they should be comfortable.
No. 330365
>>330054>>330341Agreed, its nice to hear from someone who was really involved in the (90s) scene and she has a pretty realistic view on things. I wish her channel was more popular with those getting interested in goth rather then IBF and others, she actually talks about the important shit and not crap makeup and clothes 24/7. Im surprised she isnt more popular tbh, she gives off older-sister vibes that a younger audience could really eat up. But I think her no bullshit attitude might scare them off lmao (I personally admire her honesty)
Angela is her early 40s right? She looks really good for whatever age she anyway
No. 330527
>>330329>>330375Alison's changed her look dramatically in the past few months. She posts outfits on her instagram daily and she's heading more towards nu-goth. I think it suits her much more than Lolita.
I saw her band Esoterik last month while they were on tour and I was pleasantly surprised because she actually has a good singing voice, unlike how it sounds on the albums. I didn't really see her hanging out before she went on stage, though.
No. 330547
>>330527Really? She's always seemed like the social, outgoing type. Especially with her band since they're apparently tight.
She must be shy or a loner off-camera
No. 330557
>>330547She used to be really in to clubbing and events. If you go way back on her Instagram she has a lot of older photos of her at clubs dancing and hanging out with people. She doesn't seem to be as in to that anymore. She has been more serious about her band recently than she's ever been so maybe that's been keeping her busy. It's one reason why she's not as active on youtube anymore.
But if her husband's been hanging out then I'm not really sure what's up with her.
No. 330612
>>329723The devil and the universe
>>330052I guess that's the consensus here tbh
>>330278> I'm assuming Matthias makes enough money to support themselves to a degree so they should be comfortable.I don't think so, iirc he said he was a plumber or electrician or something like that but quit his job to study graphic design or illustration or something like that. I'm really not 100% sure tbh
> tfw your e-famous wife doesn't make enough money for you to go to art school No. 330734
>>330564>that one horsefaced dudei honestly forget this guy's name but jfc he looks like he raided the halloween section of party city.
I imagine that all the feathers and greasepaint and sclera lenses are really just there to distract from how unfortunate his face is. he looks like a ryuk cosplayer.
No. 330898
>>330568probably just wants to get his attention
>>330734can't stand social repose, is straight up emo but keeps referring to himself as goth in all his dumb videos and knows nothing about the scene.
No. 330975
>>330954Not only that but he's a absolute moronic leach.
Constantly trying to throw himself introduce drama that has nothing to do with him.
He's just a cringey emo with shit music and a terrible costume
No. 331051
>>330329Allison is the only alt youtuber i can think of right now that doesn't belong in this thread. She always seems so cheerful and genuine in her videos and doesn't get involved in drama or put her whole life on the internet, which is smart.
i guess this is just a personal gripe, but i find that all these alt-cow youtubers tend to overcompensate because they don't have much else to offer other than GAWTH. Allison Eckfeldt and The Goth Alice both seem super cool, but they also have a wide variety of interests and also produce art and music. I suppose it also helps that they have a modicum of self-awareness and don't take themselves so seriously.
as opposed to TT and Black Friday who are just like "look at this shit i got. look at my collection of goff shit. now listen to me bitch about nothing."
No. 331127
>>326344I think she only talks that way to make it more inviting to the youngsters who are watching her videos. I personally don't mind her. It could be worse lol.
>>330527I have to agree. Allison is actually one of the people who actually helped me come around to Nu Goth. I like how she doesn't go to wearing nothing but Killstar with those tackcy "Edgy" symbols. Not saying that I think Wiccan/Pagan symbols are "Edgy" but when I see them used as patterns like how KillStar does them, I find them tryhard and desperate for attention.
>>330898Same here. I think Social Repose is a joke to be honest. I'm not going to diss on his look because we all have things that like (though I really do feel like it's one of the most miss-matched clashing looks I've ever seen). And he's just a scene kid/emo kid who makes generic alternative music (well at least to me, I'm not a fan of the kind of genre his music falls into) and I agree that his use of "goth" is utterly insulting. I remember when he did the "how Goth are you" video and it was just embarrassng to watch (at least for people into the subculture). His fans eat it up and consider him the "king" of Goth (vomit please). Yeah I don't like talking ill of people but I really don't like his persona all that much.
>>331051I agree, Allison is wonderful. Even with the incoming fame she's getting with her band, she still keeps a reasonable level head and open/inviting personality. I'm also loving her new look but to be honest, I've always thought she had nice choice in clothing matching. She's a gem and isn't a "lolcow" at all. But from what I've seen, no one is saying she's bad or anything, in fact in the last 2 threads, people were saying how great she is for the scene as you can see she's lived through it.
I also think you have a point. I think the reason why people like Allison (Goblin Queen), TheGothicAlice, and Angela Benedict aren't so "Lolcow" is because they have things going on in their lives. Allison has her band, Alice has her art, and Angela is going to school for skin care but even before then, she lived through the Goth scene in the 90s and is a mature rational adult. Because of their dreams/aspirations that go deeper than just fashion, I think it helps keep them have a level head.
>>331073Yeah I noticed she puts him in her tags as well, personally I don't think too much of it but I do think it can do some harm because Friday doesn't talk about "Goth" goth (she explained in a video why she doesn't) and I've seen so many youngsters thinking Social Repose as a Goth who makes Goth music (because of the music videos which aren't even close). I mean hell, at least Eugenia admits and calls herself "Emo" because she must be self aware of where she draws inspiration from. Social Repose just thinks he's "Goff" because he wears Black. He's one of those people who must've taken the "Goth is anything you want it to be" motto. >_>
>>330454Yeah I'm curious to hear what she thinks about IBF as well. I think we already got insight on how she feels about Toxic Tears and Jake when she made that "All Goths are elitists" video but I'm curious on IBF.
No. 331139
>>331051>>331127OP here!
I see what you mean now, she's one of the few goths I continued to watch for the past 4 years (besides Rob Dyke) and I'm glad there's a light to this darkness of alt-cows.
Speaking of which, how do you all feel about Rob Dyke? I personally like the "creepy portion" of his channel (true crime vids, Seriously Strange, etc.)
I rarely watch WWYPTOTI, too…meh sometimes.
No. 331180
>>331139I never heard of him to be honest so I did quick look. Seems interesting!
Oh I remember Synthetic Doll, I used to watch her religiously back in the day as well. She came out a bit later after Kill Natalie I believe. I thought Synthetic Doll had an awesome look but I feel she fell more into the Gothic/Darkly inclined category like Toxic Tears (only I actually enjoyed watching Synthetic Doll's content lol) when I look back on it. She was into the Metal scene and I can't recall her ever talking about "Goth" Goth music so yeah, definitely Gothic inclined in my mind. I saw her dramatic shift as well, I was speechless to be honest because it seemed so sudden lol
And don't get me wrong IBF is okay but it's just that I much enjoy her older content more when it was more varied. I just can't sit through a string of haul and makeup videos, they just get so boring you know? But out of the all alt Lolcows, IBF doesn't really bother me too much.
I'm trying to think of some older gothic-inclined YouTubers…
We had Kill Natalie who fell off the face of the internet. Some rumor spread that she committed suicide (hope that isn't true). I thought her content was fine at the time but in fairness, I was young and kinda new to the subculture when I discovered her channel.
We also had Corpse Kitten I think her name was? Though she wasn't that active when I think about it and like Kill Natalie, she disappeared as well.
Then there was Joji "Gutterface"/"Vulture Prince", he seemed okay at first but then you learned about his habit of swindling people out of their money and constantly begging for money…
Then Dreiabat who disappeared but was later discovered to be a neo-nazi (totally surprised me because she didn't seem like someone to be into that stuff).
And one other person who comes to mind is LailaAutumn, I LOVED her channel but she disappeared as well.
No. 331190
>>331180I also watched a Swedish Youtuber going by "cutiiegirl" for the gothic aesthetic, and another Youtuber who was kinda chubby . She seemed interesting but I only watched three of her video tutorials which were a Dita Von Tease/pinup tutorial, everyday makeup and how make fishnet lips:
I'm not sure if they still active since it's been awhile (again)
No. 331243
>>330329Her band played at a venue I work at. She's nice. I think she's a little pretentious in her online presence. But I feel like that comes with being goth in some people.
>>331127I feel the same way about social repose. But I'm an asshole about emo too. He doesn't know real goth, punk, industrial, or emo. He's more into that metalcore/genetic alternative garbage. If I criticize his videos, his fans jump down my fucking throat. But they're all kids and don't know any better, so I can't blame them. They don't know joy division from echo & the bunnymen.
>>331139I love rob dyke. His true crime videos are fantastic. He's one of the few youtubers I'm actually subscribed to.
No. 331265
>>331203Yeah it really was sad.
>>331243Glad to hear more people see Social Repose as the dolt he is when it comes to Goth and other alternative things that aren't Scene/Mallcore.
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He looks fucking ridiculous
No. 331307
>>331180I also used to watch a youtuber called Leahmouse a couple of years ago, but after a while I lost interest and I haven't seen any of her videos since. Another youtuber I used to watch (but don't anymore, same reason) is Psychara0x.
I think both of them are still active.
No. 331424
>>331307Oh I remember Leah Mouse, I still have her on my subscription and yeah she does upload pretty frequently as she turned into a vlogging channel. Honestly I haven't watched her videos in awhile now, I kinda grew disinterested from her videos though I did watch one of her new ones where she did some baking, tested lipstick, and gave a mini rant. It actually wasn't that bad and I think that purple hair really suits her. But yeah I don't really watch her all that much.
I've heard of Psychara0x and saw one of her videos. She seems okay but her channel looks like another one that just talks about makeup and fashion.
>>331384Didn't watch the video but that is just ridiculous. "Not as a cliche", so you mean Gothic-inclined people? I'm sorry but the Goths who may come off as "cliche" in what way? Because they like and listen to actual Goth music? LOL
>>331392Thought about it. Maybe one day when I have more going on in my life lol
No. 331480
>>331392I occasionally post videos. But they're all my shitty jazzy noise songs, spoken word, and DJ set lists.
I could talk about music, but I think I'd be really boring. Like, what would people want to see?
No. 331515
>>331392 I do it, but I've branched out a bit from goth videos to talking about the other stuff more.
I only have around 7000 subs so I'm not big enough and
hopefully not enough of a Lolcow to be talked about on here ?
No. 331532
I'm curious who you guys are now lol
>>331392I've gone back and forth on the idea but I don't have a camera and I'm certainly no oil painting, so it probably won't happen any time soon
>>331495I remember reading her say somewhere she dislikes him now for a comment he made about her Eugenia video? It was a while ago. She probably still uses his name in tags I bet
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Any of you guys on Gothic Amino? One of the leaders posted about the phony "elitism" and it makes me wonder if she's talking about the same online presences we are.
No. 333505
>>331472Hmm right right.
>>331479Amy Nekrotique is awesome but yeah, definitely more into Industrial/Rave than Goth and she has said it herself so at least she doesn't pigeonhole herself in it. But yeah I look at her like I look at Angela, older and more knowledgeable on certain things as she herself has also lived through the Industrial scene of the 90s.
>>331515LOL I wouldn't be surprised either. I mean she already interviewed that guy from Motionless in White who is very popular with the young kids so why not Social Repose? It'll give her a big increase in the views/subscribers haha.
>>331515I think as long as you have common sense and know what you're talking about, you won't be a "lolcow". Notice how most Lolcows tend to be involved in drama or say stupid inane things. If you can avoid that, you'll be fine and we have examples of people in the Goth YouTube scene who are definitely not lolcows like Angela Benedict, TheGothicAlice, & Snowy Lowther to name a few.
>>331547No I'm not a part of the Gothic Amino because I thought it was going to be swamped with young Mallcore kids who think they're Goth for liking black but I've actually seen Blond Beetlejuice in the comments section on Angela's videos and she seems knowledgeable so I may have to look into this app lol
No. 333612
>>333596Well in IBF defense, she did point out that her channel is a fashion one. But I hear you, very predictable.
>>333606Considering that most of TT's fans are young teenagers, they don't care if they get ripped off as long as their idol talks good of it.
No. 333704
>>333618Pretty much what I realised a few months after discovering them, thus unsubbing.
IBF was cool in her early videos and seemed to have a much more genuine interest in the scene. Perhaps she still does, but it doesn't show in any of her recent stuff. She's basically turning into every other channel, but just happens to look a bit "edgier"
As for TT well I'm not sure about anyone else but for me, I initially liked her for her honesty about liking "non goth" things and encouraging people to not be ashamed of "stepping outside the box" - she basically came across as the complete opposite of an elitist. Then as time went on I realised she only seemed that way because she herself isn't really a goth, just gothIC/darkly inclined. Not to mention her fake sweet online persona, her (mis)use of the term elitist to describe anyone who points out to her she needs to like the music to be a goth, her arsehole of a boyfriend AND the fact she only ever churns out hauls and unboxings. Yawn.
No. 333706
>>333618Pretty much what I realised not long after discovering them, thus unsubbing.
IBF was cool in her early videos and seemed to have a much more genuine interest in the scene. Perhaps she still does, but it doesn't show in any of her recent stuff. She's basically turning into every other big channel, but just happens to look a bit "edgier"
As for TT well I'm not sure about anyone else but for me, I initially liked her for her honesty about liking "non goth" things and encouraging people to not be ashamed of "stepping outside the box" - she basically came across as the complete opposite of an elitist. Then as time went on I realised she only seemed that way because she herself isn't really a goth, just gothIC/darkly inclined. Not to mention her fake sweet online persona, her (mis)use of the term elitist to describe anyone who points out to her she needs to like the music to be a goth, her arsehole of a boyfriend AND the fact she only ever churns out hauls and unboxings. Yawn.
No. 333709
>>333618Pretty much what I realised not long after discovering them, thus unsubbing.
IBF was cool in her early videos and seemed to have a much more genuine interest in the scene. Perhaps she still does, but it doesn't show in any of her recent stuff. She's basically turning into every other big channel, but just happens to look a bit "edgier"
As for TT well I'm not sure about anyone else but for me, I initially liked her for her honesty about liking "non goth" things and encouraging people to not be ashamed of "stepping outside the box" - she basically came across as the complete opposite of an elitist. Then as time went on I realised she only seemed that way because she herself isn't really a goth, just gothIC/darkly inclined. Not to mention her fake sweet online persona, her (mis)use of the term elitist to describe anyone who points out to her she needs to like the music to be a goth, her arsehole of a boyfriend AND the fact she only ever churns out hauls and unboxings. Yawn.
No. 333712
>>333618Pretty much what I realised not long after discovering them, thus unsubbing.
IBF was cool in her early videos and seemed to have a much more genuine interest in the scene. Perhaps she still does, but it doesn't show in any of her recent stuff. She's basically turning into every other big channel, but just happens to look a bit "edgier"
As for TT well I'm not sure about anyone else but for me, I initially liked her for her honesty about liking "non goth" things and encouraging people to not be ashamed of "stepping outside the box" - she basically came across as the complete opposite of an elitist. Then as time went on I realised she only seemed that way because she herself isn't really a goth, just gothIC/darkly inclined. Not to mention her fake sweet online persona, her (mis)use of the term elitist to describe anyone who points out to her she needs to like the music to be a goth, her arsehole of a boyfriend AND the fact she only ever churns out hauls and unboxings. Yawn.
No. 333716
>>333618Pretty much what I realised not long after discovering them, thus unsubbing.
IBF was cool in her early videos and seemed to have a much more genuine interest in the scene. Perhaps she still does, but it doesn't show in any of her recent stuff. She's basically turning into every other big channel, but just happens to look a bit "edgier". Also, and not to shit on the way anyone looks, but I much preferred her in her older videos when she just had the dark hair/makeup/clothes and not the stark white foundation she sports constantly now, it screams try hard gawf to me.
As for TT well I'm not sure about anyone else but for me, I initially liked her for her honesty about liking "non goth" things and encouraging people to not be ashamed of "stepping outside the box" - she basically came across as the complete opposite of an elitist. Then as time went on I realised she only seemed that way because she herself isn't really a goth, just gothIC/darkly inclined. Not to mention her fake sweet online persona, her (mis)use of the term elitist to describe anyone who points out to her she needs to like the music to be a goth, her arsehole of a boyfriend AND the fact she only ever churns out hauls and unboxings. Yawn.
No. 333717
>>333618Pretty much what I realised not long after discovering them, thus unsubbing.
IBF was cool in her early videos and seemed to have a much more genuine interest in the scene. Perhaps she still does, but it doesn't show in any of her recent stuff. She's basically turning into every other big channel, but just happens to look a bit "edgier". Also, and not to shit on the way anyone looks, but I much preferred her in her older videos when she just had the dark hair/makeup/clothes and not the stark white foundation she sports constantly now, it screams try hard gawf to me.
As for TT well I'm not sure about anyone else but for me, I initially liked her for her honesty about liking "non goth" things and encouraging people to not be ashamed of "stepping outside the box" - she basically came across as the complete opposite of an elitist. Then as time went on I realised she only seemed that way because she herself isn't really a goth, just gothIC/darkly inclined. Not to mention her fake sweet online persona, her (mis)use of the term elitist to describe anyone who points out to her she needs to like the music to be a goth, her arsehole of a boyfriend AND the fact she only ever churns out hauls and unboxings. Yawn.
No. 333971
>>333618IT beats me though for IBF, she originally did start out as something worthwhile. She would do a lot of travel vlogs so at the very least, she was able to show her viewers different Gothic festivals and cool tourist attractions like the Bone church. I mean it's not much but it was fun for those of us who can't travel so we get to see it under her and other than her making that big commotion at the Louvre which was just… Dumb, she did deliver some interesting touristy videos.
As for TT, I pretty much agree. She offers nothing to the table except for triying to get her fans to supplement her lifestyle with her wishlists and subtle e-begging. Not that there's anything wrong with it but it doesn't really make for someone worth idolizing but like I said, 95% of her fans are middle school to teenage girls so can you really say you're that surprised?
>>333623Definitely feels like it since they are the only brand she usually raves about.
>>333704This here. That was the same reason why I initially liked TT, she came off as a "Goth" who didn't take the scene too seriously and I fell for her sweet act but then I learned more about her like how she's a drama queen and how she isn't a "goth" because she doesn't like the music and thus calls other people elitists if they point that out. It was so awesome when Angela Benedict subtly called her out on her pathetic cries of "Elitism" a couple months back. And yeah she only ever does haul video after haul video or unboxing video after unboxing video. It's just boring.
No. 334238
>>334077I agree. It's very nice to see Dorian back to his old self, it's just like the good old videos again. Thank goodness he's feeling better now and got rid of that bitch who was poisoning him (I'm sorry but what she did was awful)
>>334202Yeah I understand what you mean but Dorian says she is trans and like someone else said, since he's not a royal douche about it, we generally just respect his wishes of what he prefers to be called as opposed to someone like Riley Dennis.
No. 334285
>>334008Her whole demeanor is annoying because she's trying too hard to come across super goffick, just look at the disgusted look she gives Matthias when he said he likes electronic music. "What?! Don't mention a music genre that doesn't fit into the goth box!" And the black contour or whatever looks fucking stupid.
>>334075I didn't watch it all but he actually said that? Wtf? His fly open was hilarious, was he whipping it out randomly or what?
No. 334741
>>334008I tried to watch IBF ages ago but I never liked her attitude either and unsubbed, she's too much of a know-it-all and passive aggressively shits on other goth girls, even though they look way hotter than her. I guess she has that 'what I lack in looks and likeability, I make up for in goffick expertise' thing going on which I really detest.
I guess her superiority complex has managed to fool some people some of the time. That's what I hate about the goth comm.
No. 334786
>>334451Oh my bad lol.
>>334741Wait what? What other Goth girls has she shit on? I've never seen/heard her shit on anyone… .__.
No. 334970
>>334773She was discussed on the original Altcows forum
>>>/snow/36266 Just Ctrl+F "Patsy".
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>>334773I found this on a photo under #corridorsofgender. Someone shared a photo of her and these are the comments. Apparently she's still around, she's just changed her name, deleted most of her stuff and switched to private.
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>>334996>>334998>>334773That GiGi girl is /not/ CoG. CoG is going by the instagram name @scryingoveryou. She's become a new age-y ~crystal baby angel~ type and abandoned the deathrock look.
I still have mega-laughs over her extreme and unwarranted elitism given that: a. she was raised by parents who are fans of alternative music so she had access to the music and look b. she had her own scene phase and c. she ended up dumping the whole tradgoth and death rock look in a few years despite her trolling and harassing others.
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Guys I found out how old Kayla is.
She's 24 according to this pic on her mums fb page
No. 336505
>>336494vox just looks generally alternative
the ginger girl that was in 2 seems metalhead maybe
jordan has a youtube channel, titles say scene
will looks generally alternative
and jakes band mates seem metalhead
other friends like melanie, sophie and their definitely not darkly inclined
No. 336741
>>336494Kaya has said she prefers hanging out with Metal heads and yeah, the people she and Jake hang with are not Goths, just simple alternative folks who I'm going to assume are metal heads since they're very fond of that genre of music it seems (at least Jake anyway).
>>336500This. She doesn't even have to come out and say that's the reason, for those of us who aren't her rabid fan girls, we can see right through her when she talks about "goth elitists".
>>336721I have to ask, what is the appeal with these Bath Bomb videos? What makes them so interesting? I watched like one of them that TT did and I didn't see the point, it was boring. Whooppee the water changes color. And? It's like some people with their fascination of fidget spinners lol
No. 336817
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Oh no, Drac…. Noooo…
No. 336887
>>336817Drac always look so good in her own videos or her own photography, but its a different story when other people photograph her…. that sad ass hair doesnt do her any favours either, her hair was so much better when it was down the sides of her head
With that said, Drac doesnt really have any actual milk besides being a Kat von d wannabe and being ugly
No. 337130
>>336887I wouldn't say she's ugly. Like
>>337040 said, it's just the shaved head combo with being a bigger girl.
Plus her lack of control on the photo just makes it very unfortunate.
No. 337169
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A 10,
Sure Jan
No. 337335
>>337169I have to agree, I never really thought Sebastian looked ugly, I think she's pretty but I won't lie, it's very eye opening when I see her not wearing makeup but that's only because most of the time, you only saw her in makeup.
I like how she's experimenting with vintage fashion though I won't lie, I miss her black hair, it looked great on her and I'm picturing her with the victory roll hairstyle in black and I think it'd look great on her but hey, she had black hair for a long time and felt like doing something different and there's no shame in that.
No. 337460
Not familiar with Sebastian but yea I don't think she looks ugly without makeup at all, it's just the lack of eyebrows making her look a little off. In general though I'd say fairly pretty, in fact in that picture she looks worse
with the makeup on but it could just be her expression.. either way at least she's trying to be confident with herself? I also don't think she looks
that old as
>>337254 is saying, maybe early 30s w/o makeup?
No. 337856
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I actually think Kaya is looking slimmer going by her recent instagram photo's and videos, her face isn't looking as chubby.
No. 337936
>>337856Well if that is current then yes, she doesn't look at big as she did when she had her black hair with blond streaks. But again, she tends to wear a lot of drapey clothing these days so it's kinda hard to tell but going by her face, is does look slimmer.
But the fasting thing, is that really the safest way to lose weight? I feel like if she stops and goes back to her usual eating habits, she's just going to pile the weight back on.
But hey, if she feels okay doing this and she likes the results, good for her. I guess I'm just concerned if fasting can give her some strange side effects that go further than nausea.
No. 337972
>>337968I really wish she'd actually put the effort in. She would also feel way better about herself, not just get her body back.
>>337964Post screenshots?
No. 338019
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>>337972>>338007Her last video was actually a fun vlog of stuff from the past few weeks and I enjoyed it. I wish she would do more of those videos instead of the hauls and unboxings.
No. 338159
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omg so edgy!!
Shut up Freyja, you're nothing but a stuck up fucking atheist. This is from the woman who when asked about "the most interesting occult/religion/witchcraft book" she's read and what she thought about the satanic bible answered
"I have read the Satanic Bible and found it a really good and thought-prokoving read - LaVey was an intelligent and articulate guy and I like his philosophies very much. I’ve had trouble finding contemporary occult books that aren’t full of dramatic poetry and (I feel) unnecessary ritual instructions, and the old ones tend to be extremely weird and abstruse"
She raves about LaVey (fucking lol) and can not name even one interesting occult book other than his satanic bible? Yet claims to read about many religions and to strive to "find knowledge, wisdom, enlightenment, and understand the balance of the Universe"?? She's an occult poseur, it triggers me so bad because I love learning about western esotericism and it's so embarrassingly obvious that she's mostly just using it for edge-points.
No. 338428
>>337968Yeah I thoouight so. Kaya has said in the past that whenever she'd diet, as soon as she stopped the weight would come back and she wouldn't understand why when the answer is obvious. Dieting and fasting shortcuts may get you results fast but the minute you stop them, the weight will come back on sometimes even double
which I think happened during her move situation where she gained significant weight (It was the video called "Why I'm fat" I think).
No. 338625
Does anyone here actively watch LeahMouse? She has two youtube accounts: leahmouse and leahmousevlogs . Does she irk anyone else? I hate the fact that she bashes other youtubers who take suggestions for videos from subscribers. She comes across as condescending to anyone who finds her cringey and unfunny. She just can't accept criticism and says anyone who doesn't laugh at her jokes is rude…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzhAUmv7hE Why would this ever be funny? Side note: Her eyebrows are atrocious.
No. 338805
>>338625I used to watch her years ago, she seemed to move from man to man a lot, she does seem pretty cringey but yeah I haven't watched in years
She still with her fanboy?
No. 338885
>>338625I used to watch Leahmouse vlogs a lot, not sure why bc they are terribly boring and her makeup/clothes have always been those of a 13 year old baby bat, despite the fact she's like 40. I do find her sense of humour cringey and she's very socially awkward.
They went to some street art festival thing where a bunch of joker cosplayers and steampunk autists were hanging out, and started making fun of Leahmouse and her friend and they both looked really offended and upset afterwards kek.
>>338805Yeah after she dropped the fat guy she seemed to hop around from dick to dick a lot. I guess she was making up for lost time.
I mean he wasn't just fat, he was literally obese. It was hard to watch him joking around and pretending everything's okay, when she's clearly repulsed by his fatness and planning her escape route.
No. 338976
>>338625I used to watch Leahmouse around like what? 2009-2012 I think and yeah, she kinda just disappeared when she started doing nothing but vlog videos. I remember when she was with her husband I think and how they split. I didn't watch her much after that because I found her videos to be a little boring but that's only because I don't really like watching vlogs. She's definitely not a Goth though, just Gothic-inclined and if she's like Kaya, she'll most likely just scream elitist for anyone saying that but now that I think about it, she never mentioned anything about Goth other than her doing fashion so in a way, I feel like she may have been the first Toxic Tears before Toxic Tears became very well known.
I'll give her this though, purple hair doesn't look bad on her, it looks quite nice.
No. 338978
>>338957Eugh… I remember that song… Instrumentally it's pretty good, very darkwave synth and I like that but man is her voice horrid and the lyrics are just… Eh, I'm not feeling them.
Yeah she did perform live a few times and her voice sounded just as monotonous and horrid live. I don't like to be mean or anything but I just feel she should've taken a few singing lessons before she started publishing songs.
No. 339121
>>339100>>338957Holy shit that guy in the beginning looks like my ex. Kinda want to share his music, because it's so bad. Generic deathrock and even more generic synthwave.
These videos are so bad. (I don't like the music either, but I can see why some people would). I cringed so hard. It's like babbys first film project. That "dancing", oh god. I don't dance, but that red headed girl was so painfully hard to watch.
(blog) No. 339248
>>336746>>337856Kaya regularly uses Photoshop
Just look at any Instagram posted fan photo where they take a snap with her; you'll see the blaring difference
No. 340372
I used to really like ofherbsandaltars' content and videos, his rants were never boring for me (even though his videos tend to be very long). He had a lot of relatable observations and I considered him genuinely funny, original and interesting to listen to.
But the change of his mental state in the recent months has been hard to watch. Firs,t the sexual abuse allegations (where I can sympathise, even though it doesn't look like anything was really done about them? And was it really his biological father who molested him? I know he previously mentioned that his father had some "autistic" traits and the abuser was supposed to have those too - doesn't seem like a coincidence to me). That by itself is pretty terrible issue to deal with and any depression stemming from that is understandable.
But I don't really understand him getting involved with that strange girlfriend of his and spiralling further into darkness. I felt bad vibes from that situation from the start, something felt wrong. Plus all the sudden (and cringy) sexual content (when he's supposed to be asexual) - that was just bleh. Also, he claimed alcohol was never his drug of choice, yet was suddenly drinking hard liquor in every video (and it still looks like he's drinking). Seems like he lost himself and his principles somehow.
Also, claims to be allergic to almost all types of food, yet drinking doesn't affect his health in any way? Seems pretty weird to me.
He definitely made some strange decisions. I'm glad his last "relationship" is hopefully over, but I feel like I don't really enjoy his content as used to anymore, even though he now looks to be better mentally (for now).
Something is missing, some kind of energy or drive… I guess he doesn't like to do Youtube anymore and it shows.
No. 340409
>>340372Well thank you anon for that lengthy and utterly uninteresting review of ofherbsandaltars' channel, here follows my response:
1. sage your blogging
2. no1curr
No. 342867
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From Kaya's instagram. It looks like they never throw boxes away because I think one of those boxes are from the TV Jake got a while ago. Their entire attic is full of boxes.
No. 343737
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so she can't afford to pay someone to assist her in day to day "full time" internet persona stuff, but can afford to pay for two whole flats?
No. 344359
>>344328Okay, I'm just.. Wow… Well I'm not going to lie, I don't believe in this non-binary, agender, pangender, trigender, "Zir" "zim", etc Tumblr nonsense. Nothing but stupiud trite that was made up to make average ordinary people feel special because in this day and age, being gay or even coming out as trans isn't seen as something special anymore.
And I can't help but feel that because it's Pride month, everyone involved in that "Proud to be" thing is just blowing smoke and acting like victims. Like the whole world is out get them when in reality, most couldn't be bothered with that nonsense.
And no I'm not being homophobic, I'm a gay myself and I'm just getting tired of this woe is me attitude a lot of gay people are using along with these Non-binary people. Like seriously?
I dunno, maybe it's just me though. I used to think I was very open-minded but then I came across this Non-binary "I'm not a girl or a boy" stuff and I just can't believe in it. :/
No. 344405
>>344359This non-binary shit is inherently sexist tbh. They validate biological sex stereotypes by basing their "gender" on their personality. And then there's this third gender nonsense, wherein they make up a new gender stereotype for a sex that doesn't even exist. Rather than saying "You can act however you want, and like whatever you want, regardless of whether you're male or female" they say "You like having short hair? That means you're a boy!" and "You like wearing makeup? That means you're a girl!" Uh, no, it means your interests aren't wholly molded by how society has told you you're
supposed to act.
Plus it often indicates internalized sexism. CWC, for instance, claims to be a girl, but the reality is that he hates men so much that he doesn't want to be one.
And holy hell I wish they would stop calling themselves trans. The term is basically meaningless now because of them. Especially when it comes to people like Sebastian, who admits to being fine with her biological gender, and who is obnoxiously girly, but insists she's trans because she doesn't "feel" female.
They use the same logic as otherkin to validate their ~identity~. We shouldn't treat them any different than we treat otherkin, no matter how much they cry about MUH TRANSPHOBIA. Bitch, you're not trans in the first place.
No. 344408
>>344314afaik, IBF doesn't lie about being sponsored. she even has a "this isn't sponsored" statement in her private videos, so the videos that don't have it (her hauls) are the ones that are sponsored.
i agree that sponsored videos should be marked visibly, but it's not like she says "oh hey i just bought all of this myself with my own money" in her sponsored videos.
No. 344435
>>344405>>344405>>344412Just wanted to say I agree and the reasons sebastian gives in her video certifies her as a grade A idiot and incredibly sexist.
saged.
No. 344697
>>344328God, I can't stand her. I don't think anyone in the goth scene can. At least I haven't met anyone can. She might be asexual, but c'mon bitch, you're a cis female.
>>344444They're going to LA? Nice. The goth scene here is still relevant. Can't wait to hear them bitch about "elitists".
No. 344832
>>344405I'm glad to know someone sees where I'm coming so thanks for that. And I agree, these people are the people who really give real transgender people a bad name with how they appropriate their medical condition in the pursuit of being special and extraordinary when they aren't.
I remember watching Sebastion's video "Sebastion is no longer a girl" back when she first uploaded it and I thought it was nonsense. Though at the time, I didn't know much about the Tumblr Gender stuff yet so I didn't even know what she was going on about. Now that I am fully aware of the Gender stuff now, it makes it all the more annoying.
And it's even more ironic coming from Sebastian, a person who obviously loves being highly feminine and is like the stereotype of the average woman, just a darkly-inclined woman so needless to say, I don't take that serious at all.
No. 344838
>>344444I don't watch TT or Jake anymore so no I didn't hear that but LOL I can't wait to hear them complain about elitists for sure because you know they most likely will just to bring in the views and get butt pats from their hardcore fans.
>>344697It's sad because I used to like Sebastian and it was interesting to see her grow and learn about the Goth scene years ago. I remember the "Sebastian is no longer a girl" video and I thought it was just dumb but because I didn't see her make videos about it after that, I thought she moved on from that nonsense but low and behold. And I agree, she clearly is a "cis" (I hate the word) female. The only good thing about that video was how she said she wasn't transgender so I'll give her that.
And yeah, I can't wait to see TT and Dre bitch about "elitists" because if they complain about "elitists" in their home areas, the L.A Goth scene is going to chew them up and spit them out.
No. 344855
>>344328I don't want to get into a yet another trans type rant, but it's so obvious when someone is going through a phase and has no idea what they're talking about and feel like they should always be called out. These fakebois and gender neutral snowflakes piggyback off of people that have real identity issues with their gender. Real trans people want to be the gender they're transitioning into and get various forms of surgery and hormones.
Agender is supposed to be "gender neutral", but what is gender neutral about her? It really is sexist like other anons have said and actually makes things more gendered. Also, I don't buy the whole "I'm asexual but panromantic". So you don't like a lot of sex and are more romantic with anyone of any gender. Got it. That's just pansexual with a low sex drive.
Also yuck at the whole "lol but I dress slutty". I hate when these social justice types have no self awareness.
I just hate these "asexual, agender" snowflakes that want to hop into LGBT without actually being LGBT or having any form of struggle. They never change their looks, lifestyle, or anything either, so it's so obviously disingenuous. I wish LGBT people would stop cowering and call out these garbage humans as trying to get victim bucks or as the lying attention seekers they are.
No. 345231
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When cows collide
No. 345249
>>344855I always laugh at this nonsensical Tumblr brigade bullshit
Any non-binary/genderqueer/gender-neutral who is female dresses up like men.
And any non-binary/genderqueer/gender-neutral man just dresses up like women.
What's the fucking point? Just say you're pretending to be a man for patter-points and get over it with trying to be special.
No matter how hard they try, they're drowned out either way and the attention they may remotely receive is on ridicule.
So you know what? Fuck it, I might as well just be Klingonqueeer at this rate.
You may address with pronouns "Kling/Klinger/Klingself".
Pls no bully
No. 345748
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god kaya can you be at least a little subtle here "I wish someone would clean up after my sloppy ass for free"
no one wants to fly to fucking n. Ireland just to pick up your shit. thats going to take a little more than some redecorating. I dont think shoving a bunch of furniture up there would help your mess at all.
just get a city inspector over there. They'll condemn your house for you and remove it all for free. there you go. DIY!
No. 345947
>>344838Sebastian just burnt herself out in the goth scene. A lot of people do that. They think they're some important goth icon who everyone should care about. But in reality it's all based on looks and everyone sees through their bullshit.
But I hope I see TT (unlikely). Not for any malicious reasons, i think she's annoying, but i don't know her. I just want to see how she is in person.
>>344855I have a friend who's asexual. She has a boyfriend and occasionally has sex with him. Maybe Sebastian is like that?
Id ask one of her exes about her sex drive, but I don't want anyone to think I'm a snake for using lolcow.
No. 346369
>>345947Oh no I can see she clearly burnt herself on the Goth thing and I totally understand that it happens. It happened to me to be honest but I still do like the music and wear a dark style but in fairness, I was never as elaborate or over the top to begin with lol
But yeah, I don't hate Sebastian or anything, I just get annoyed of hearing about this gender nonsense you know?
Eh I'm sure TT is fine in person so long as you don't stir the conversation to Goth music or anything like that.
And I just don't understand asexuality in the way people like her use it. If Asexual people still have sex, just in small amounts; wouldn't they just be hetero/homo just with a low sex drive?
No. 350816
>>344328This video screams *speshul snowflake" tbh, what an attention seeking annoying git.
saged
No. 350859
>>350835I'll piggyback off of
>>350842 with the vlog thing. I feel that it would be cool to see an insight on how these people go about their lives. I'm not the biggest fan of vlogs but I'd much rather watch those than the millionth haul or unboxing video. That and I would like to see more talk about music (maybe not Toxic Tears because she doesn't like Goth music) but I'm talking in general.
Maybe a Goth band spotlight or something like that. I'm just getting tired of everything in the Goth scene being so image based. It's why I feel the Goth subculture group on Facebook is great because it's a mix of everything both music and look, rather equally at that.
The only Goths on YouTube who mention the music are Angela Benedict, This is Raven, The Gothic Alice (every now and then), and a few smaller, lesser known/obscure channels.
No. 351116
>>350905Eh I guess. I think one of the glaring reasons I don't particularly care for her pseudo Goth thing has to do with what she said in in her Q&A video where she explained how/why she became a Goth. I can't remember all of what she said but there was a part where she mentioned the "goth music" and listed bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Disturbed, Evanescence, and one or two more hard rock bands and I mentally gagged. That was the first video of hers I watched and I just didn't have a good impression of her and then I watched the Pastel Goth thing and it was just worse lol
I dunno, just too much going on there and in terms of content, it seems like she's just another TT with the constant hauls/unboxings though she does do tutorials here and there so that's something.
Sorry, I guess I can be really strange when it comes to YouTubers who claim to be Goth because the minute they talk about music and they list all the "goth" bands they like are actually not Goth in the slightest or they say things like "I've been Goth since I was a kid", I mentally tune out lol
No. 351809
>>350892Does she talk about old school industrial, power electronics, and noise? Or just ebm, aggrotech, and that shit?
I need more music based channels, because I can't stand fantano.
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I saw this on IG today and immediately thought of kaya and Jake.
No. 352089
>>350821To be fair a lot of other attention seekers have done the same thing-over in the weeb thread its been mentioned that beckii and kelsey have also made clickbaity videos about "being gay" (in quotes because when you actually watch their videos they are not gay) but hers comes off especially attention seeking. They are all trying to make bank off the back of pride month and it just shows them for the narcissistic assholes they truly are.
saged.
No. 352131
>>352081Is this you reeree? Because if you go back to the other threads, you're bland as fuck. Same monotoned videos of uninteresting material, there was nothing more to talk about.
Only recently has reeree decided to show another side besides boring. She's trying I guess?
No. 352225
>>352208As a German, I can say: The goth scene isn't SO big here. It's only wgt and a few smaller festivals. My days in UK for example were definitely a lot…gothier. Well, 80ies are over.
Does BlackFriday speak German?
No. 352269
>>352081She only talks about Metal related music and I mean… Eh, it's fine. At least she's talking about something else for a change instead of making the 200th haul video. As for supporting "the scene", if you mean the Metal scene, sure but Goth? No, not really.
>>352089I never heard of them but that's just gross. As a gay person, I hate when people try to use the LGBT in such a way and that's why Sebastian's video truly grossed me out.
>>352208I find moving to Germany for such a thing is pointless if you're not into Goth music. It makes sense for Freya because she likes the stuff but for someone like Kaya, it would be hilarious lol
>>352264The metal thing is true. She doesn't like Goth music and she's said she wasn't a big fan of the stuff in an older video. She did a Metal music tag with her spouse for Pete's sake and goes in deep depth about her tastes.
There's nothing wrong with being a Metalhead and that is clearly what she is. Not a Goth but a Gothic-inclined Metalhead. I mean look in her Music tag video, her wall is plastered in Metal band memorabilia and every question she answered was filled with Metal bands, that's clear point blank evidence lol
No. 352275
>>352137>>352264Jesus fuck, you sound like one of her sycophant followers. Calm your tits. ReeRee is very talented with makeup, that's it. She's hypersensitive to any kind of criticism to the point that she comes off as a whiny teenager.
Let's face it, she's popular because she's gorgeous and thin.
No. 352308
>>352081>>352137>>352264>>352282I'm guessing this is all the same anon fanboy/girl who has their head stuck far up ReeRee's ass, is ReeRee herself or her husband lol.
ReeRee is extremely boring, sorry not sorry. She has this pseudo-posh monotone voice that sounds clearly put on. Watch her very earlier videos, she seemed much more livelier. She has a habit of writing walls of texts on her IG whining about her life, the ramblings are like that of a teenager. She's not even into goth music, she said it herself she's not a huge fan so that's how we know, but assuming she was then why not talk about it? All she ever discusses is metal music (she even reviewed a Motionless in White album jfc… hopping on that bandwagon like IBF to appeal to her emo fans?) Granted, at least with the "Music Mondays" thing she's trying to expand out from the never-ending stream of hauls or shoe unboxings, but it's still just metal music and therefore of no interest to someone who wants to hear about GOTH music. Honestly to me she comes across as another TT, no wonder the two are good friends. She did a video about encountering an "elitist" in an alternative shop she went to, except the woman she talked about made no elitist comments at all and was just being nasty about her weight (telling her she needed a bigger size or something) - that's not elitism, that's ReeRee being insecure as fuck about her body/weight. Like TT, it seems she cries elitist at the most pathetic of things. I second the other anon who said RR is only popular because she's thin and pretty, and a model. And no that's not me being insecure and jealous. I think it's also why TT became popular years ago(do you think she would have if she looked the way she does now?), whilst IBF is only popular because she plays up to the stereotype normies have of us. Side note: whilst it's for a good cause, I have no idea why RR was chosen to be in the Sophie Lancaster calendar…
Also no one's whiteknighting IBF? If anything other than TT, IBF is criticized the most on here.
No. 352490
>>352308All of this. I used to be into ReeRee's stuff back when I was younger, I thought she was the bees knees of Goth but then as I got older, learned more about the Goth subculture, and went back to ReeRee my views on her definitely changed (just like TT). They use the term "elitist" very loosely, think that just because they dress dark, it automatically makes them Goth (when they have no interest in the thing that Goth is centered around), and make the same old boring content of hauls and unboxings. I don't hate ReeRee but I don't enjoy her content all that much and on the music stuff, I'm not a metalhead so of course I'm not going to want to sit through her music tags but not only that, it just makes her a straight up Metalhead (Metalhead = Big fan of Metal Music. Goth = Big fan of Goth music).
And it's kinda true that the reason ReeRee found some moderate success on YouTube is because she's young and pretty. The girl knows her way around the makeup brush, I have to give her that. But the only people who watch her videos are young girls who think she's a "goth queen" (Pff lol) in the same vein of TT but actual Goths I've noticed tend to not like them or watch them but they're usually called "elitists" by them and their fangirls so eh.
Out of all the cows mentioned here, it's apparent that IBF and DracMakens are the Goths, they just have cringe moments at times (or all depending on the viewer).
No. 352871
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>be me
>love black friday with all my heart
>see her in lolcow threads
>tell myself not to read the thread because I know it'll ruin her for me
>happens every time I like an efamous person
>cave in and read it anyway
>lovely goth mom exposed, ruined
IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!
No. 352911
>>352871But anon… Everything we said here about black friday we know from her videos. How can you watch her videos and not already know everything? Are you blind?
The few anons who saw her irl actually painted her in better light, saying that she seems friendly and authentic. All the bad stuff is just video related or clearly visible in her videos. (getting sponsored all the time, uncreative content, saying she's poor when she has two appartements while her bf is unemployed etc)
No. 352920
>>352853Yeah, she may not make original content by any stretch of the imagination but it's apparent that she is at least into the music and with the way a lot of these cows outright don't like the music and yet still think they are totally Goth despite it, I have to give props to IBF and DracMackens for at least being into the music despite their cringe.
>>352854Well at the very least, she at least plays Goth music during her videos. I've went to a lot of Goth band songs on youTube and I'll see comments like "It's Black Friday brought me here" and well, I think it's neat that with her playing the music, it can potentially turn people onto Goth music. Yeah the charcoal drinks and black products aren't all that creative but well, you take what you can get and I'd much rather have someone who helps expose people to music than someone who will try to imply that liking metal music makes one Goth.
No. 352922
I can't get over IBF ignoring the Sophie Lancaster retweet when she literally cried for being treated badly for being a goth herself. Also the bitchiness toward the owner of Necromancy was out of line.
>>352920>I'll see comments like "It's Black Friday brought me here" and well, I think it's neat that with her playing the music, it can potentially turn people onto Goth music.True however I feel like it's only because of IBF herself and not because they like the actual song/band if that makes sense. Like if IBF suddenly turned around and said she didn't like that song or band, her fans will follow suit. I'm sure it's not the case for all of them and she is genuinely turning them to goth music which is good, but I can't shake that feeling!
No. 353468
>>352922"True however I feel like it's only because of IBF herself and not because they like the actual song/band if that makes sense. Like if IBF suddenly turned around and said she didn't like that song or band, her fans will follow suit. I'm sure it's not the case for all of them and she is genuinely turning them to goth music which is good, but I can't shake that feeling!"
I know it's not the most ideal thing but I'd rather have people being exposed to genuine Goth music over the other cows who push Metal. Sometimes you gotta take what you can get lol
>>353424Well we all have different opinions and in my opinion, it's just redundant to call yourself a "goth" when you don't like Goth music in the same way it would be redundant if someone called themselves a Metalhead but didn't like Metal music (or they considered bands like Hinder, Nickelback, and Papa Roach as their favorite Metal bands).
At the end of the day, I don't think too much about it because I don't watch any of them but if people ask for opinions on them, I'll be frank.
No. 353496
>>353424When I say boring I'm not referring exclusively to her voice, she just has no personality. Kaya may be annoying but at least she has some semblance of a personality.
>It's funny how people on here complain about these 'goth girls' only doing unboxings, and then complain about the new shit they try to do(Reeree's metal vids and Drac's cooking vids)being too boring.I don't really care for Drac and wouldn't care if she only did makeup videos, but the cooking thing (which if I'm not mistaken is all vegan stuff?) comes across as "Kat Von D notice me!!! I'm vegan like you!!" As for Ree's metal videos, I don't care for them but to an actual goth they'd be of no interest because they're not about goth music.
>If somebody's into the gothic look and not the music, It's a lot easier to say that you're goth(which people might assume based solely on appearance) than it is to say you're a "Gothic-inclined metalhead who enjoys goth fashion and the overall goth aesthetic but isn't really into goth music"Why say that though when they can just call themselves a metalhead and that's it? Or "gothic"? Goth is a music genre, therefore as another anon said it's redundant to call yourself one when you don't like the music.
No. 353669
>>329704I think someone should legit suggest the dog walking thing to her. Cute animals bring in views and if she makes it more about the animals than herself it'd be a little extra youtube money just for the cute dogs she'll get to see. I wonder how common of a thing this is in Germany though?
I know people have conflicting opinions about her aesthetic but I think she's cute most of the time (Some of her looks are awful like when she wears a red lip with black eyeshadow. With the stark white of her foundation she needs that balance of color in my opinon)
So i wouldn't mind seeing her playing with and walking dogs
No. 354464
>>333971I think IBF had every right to make a stink about her treatment at the louvre since unless their clothing could damage the artwork (like a large accessory, a lot of museums make you buy a locker for your purse/backpack if it's too big for this reason) they shouldn't have been denied especially with how crazy the line can be.
I think her posting her crying face to social media though was a massive cry for attention. Just post your complaining vent video instead. I think her treatment at the graveyard was dumb if her husband was really allowed to keep his photos and stuff. Seems weird, especially if she's been there before without issue.
I like IBF but I don't watch her as often as I used to because she just doesn't really offer anything new. Same with TT though at least she recently started posting more than just hauls (i've been gently complaining about it on her tumblr and showed my appreciation when she did post them so i hope she's listening to fans).
No. 354475
>>342867To be fair if you have to move often it's not that crazy to save boxes if you have the space. My apartment came with a storage space we don't use so I just started putting boxes in there for our next move. Is it really that weird? I'd rather use the boxes until they can't be used anymore and then recycle them. Saves more energy in the long run, emissions, etc.
>>346462>>346474I have a really low sex drive so I don't consider myself ace but i could happily go without sex for the rest of my life and not miss it. I have sex with my husband because he has a high sex drive. The human body responds to touch so it's not really hard to get revved up when that time comes so I can see it not really being a big deal for someone who might never get sexual urges at all even with their own self. I don't think it's fake but I do think a lot of people who claim to be asexual are either like me and just don't realize that doesn't make them asexual, or are girls afraid of sex which is really common amongst tumblrinas if you know what to look for. It also explains the high rate of transboys versus transgirls that turn out to be obvious fakes.
That said, Sebastian Columbine I think could be asexual but probably isn't. She seems very "I'm DIFFERENT" in her attitude and i really got bored of her quickly. She's really not attractive and those of you who said she's pretty are being too nice. It's lolcow. You're allowed to be mean here. Even in terms of average looks she's below average. Maybe not ugly but not really pretty either.
>>350688She reblogged that one picture of her 'hufflepuff' dress like 5 fucking times on tumblr. Probably because she doesn't look like a walrus in it.
>>352283 This is actually slowly coming back into style. I've seen hair crimpers becoming a more common site in stores again. It's usually done with like a few pieces though rather than a fully crimped hair. I like it :'( i'm glad it's slowly coming back.
>>352911Actually if i ONLY watched her videos I would've never known about the Sophie Lancaster thing so to be fair, that kinda made me think differently of her so I can imagine anon felt similarly.
>>354281>gross queenlol
No. 354637
>>354464I'm just saying, sometimes you do have to tone down when going to certain places. I mean, why couldn't she tone herself down a bit for that one day like she did when she was a guest at a radio show? I'm just saying that there is a time and place for everything and sometimes we have to tone it down a bit.
I do agree on the Graveyard thing though assuming she was being truthful about the situation.
I'm just getting bored of the hauls IBF does because it's always the same overpriced basic clothing but I give her a point over TT because she actually puts the clothing on and shows it off but yeah, hopefully she'll start making more travel vlogs again when more events happen.
>>354609Why are they surprised his channel isn't going anywhere? I've seen a few videos and there's nothing interesting about them. He comes off like a douche and has no personality worth attaching oneself to. And after he said what he said about Goth, he lost any credibility he had left and especially now that we have other Goth male YouTubers like Sweeney DeVille and This is Raven.
No. 355057
>>355056Didn't mean to post the video again oops
sage for idiocy
No. 355157
>>354637I dunno, I just personally don't get WHY she has to tone it down. It isn't her fault people are too concerned with image to just look at her once and move on. If i saw her in public I'd probably go "Oh look at that" and then move on with my life.
I think she has too low of self esteem over her appearance to allow herself to tone it down while also not-so-secretly enjoying the attention (Look at the video where she dresses "normal" for a day and laments no one wanting to take her photo).
>>354744See some videos I think they do give off the vibe that they're a good couple. The one where he does her makeup for instance I think is a look at their relationship at it's best. The gaming videos are just too telling of how rare those occasions probably are.
Then again if you heard my husband and I talk to one another you'd think we hated eachother (My mom even texted me once after hanging out with us and said "You're so mean to him he's going to leave you." I looked to him and asked him if I went too far with any of my jokes and he laughed at me for being worried because it was so far off).
It's hard to tell how bad it really is since they can edit things and all. He's definitely a shithead but i don't want to claim I know anything about their relationship based off youtube and one anon's account.
>>355048Before I realized it was a video and not a pic being posted I thought someone was posting to compare IBF and Mr. Owl's new girlfriend that looks exactly like her but with better skin and less fat. So yeah, basically, looks the exact fucking same.
>>355064If what that anon said in the other alt thread is true and he hates fat chicks, then yeah probably, if he knows anyone besides Kaya. Depends on how often the two of them aren't in the same building.
No. 355385
>>355157I don't follow RPDR but I looked up Sharon Needles and IBF's transformation looks nothing like her, as you said she looked more like Mr Owl's gf if anything.
>>355170Yea I'm kinda mixed on the whole "toning down" thing. On the one hand it sucks that they'd have to tone it down to get into certain public places but on the other hand you have to accept it's necessary at times (job interviews and the like for example) her reaction and the crying was obviously for attention though
No. 355685
>>355157Believe me, I wouldn't be hooked on looking at IBF too as it's something I do like the look but I've seen her over 100 times already in her videos but unfortunately, her look is considered extreme to the general public, especially with the way she looked that day. Yes in the perfect world we should wear what we like but the unfortunate truth is that sometimes, we need to tone down just a bit. It's not even that bad for Gothic girls to have a dark but open look and we've seen some looks of Freya's that are moderate but still dark, I'm just saying it would've been better to go for one of those looks just for that one visit.
>>355173I think we know the answer to that lol
>>355385But come now, toning down doesn't have to be a drastic thing. Look up the vlog called Sophistique Noir. That lady showed some great ways to tone down an extreme look for something dark, sophistiqued, casual, or classy while keeping a dark allure. Just saying that it doesn't have to be totally twilight zone haha.
>>355469This here. It's because she looked way OTT for the occasion than she normally did. Of course it was going to be a bit of a problem in an establishment like that. She's done some great toned down looks that would've shown her Gothic side so I just don't understand why she couldn't sport a look like that minus the mime-like makeup.
No. 355924
>>355865Sorry if this is OT but can you guys link her vlog? i looked up her name on youtube but all I see are make-up tutorails. I wanna see that video about how to dress classy without losing the goth appeal.
(sage for going OT)
No. 355938
>>355678What is with these cows that aren't big enough to even qualify for lipo, could easily lose it on their on terms do this?
Then they all go back to eating shit, so they get lumpy and just ugh. Wouldn't they rather suck it up and exercise than risk that shit? I don't get it.
No. 355985
>>355865Same, I loved her blog as well and I was saddened when she stopped posting but I'm grateful she kept her site up lol
>>355924Oh she didn't make videos I'm afraid, she mainly did photo posts on her blog site but seriously, take a look. :)
http://sophistiquenoir.com/ No. 356053
>>355678Is she getting her friend PeachMilky to pay for it? lol. I hate cows like her that can't be bothered putting the effort in to weight loss and go for a quick fix. What's even more dumb is that lipo can cause you to gain weight elsewhere, not to mention it's a dangerous operation. She might slim down her thighs or belly (not by much though) with lipo but then suddenly see weight gain in her arms. People who go for these quick fixes rarely change their eating or lifestyle habits so it ends up coming back anyway. Look at that other cow Raven Sparks, she had weight loss surgery, looked less chunky after but now she's fucking fat because she still eats like shit.
If TT actually fucking TRIED and didn't expect to see results within a week or two of dieting, she WILL lose weight and lose the fat. Bitch probably just diets (who knows what she eats when dieting, even good fats like avocado won't really help) for about 2 weeks then gives up when she doesn't see results. Also "cheat days" should be kept to a minimum but I'm willing to bet she has those very often because she has no willpower.
No. 357898
>>355157" (Look at the video where she dresses "normal" for a day and laments no one wanting to take her photo)."
I'm glad I'm not the only person to notice that. Lamenting of 'not' getting attention is her driving force. The Lourve and other tourist attractions were classic examples of this. The level of 'look at me' is tiring.
I'm still waiting for these 'new and exciting' projects she keeps talking about in her videos every few months. Where are these new and exciting things? Is that just a standard line in her vocabulary to keep the goldfish amused?
On the TT lipo thing - having an education on how the body works and stubborn areas is one thing… resorting to it at such a young age because she has no mental stability is quite desperate. It will all end in tears. Toxic to boot. Kaya, you're a disaster waiting to happen.
No. 358076
>>357898>Is that just a standard line…to keep the goldfish amusedProbably this tbh. If I were still a fan watching her daily I probably wouldn't question it.
In regards to Kaya, I did comment on her youtube video about lipo encouraging her to look at the side effects and what can happen if she doesn't change her habits when she gets it done (encouraged her to use it as a fresh start) but she's probably going to ignore it as just me being a hater.
I'm already excited for the aftermath though it's going to be pretty funny to watch her fuck up her body because she's so insistent that she's right and all of the doctors and nutritionists who've tried to help her are wrong.
But i'm also kinda cruel and even though I'm fat myself i really look down on people who get lipo for massive amounts of weight change.
I have a girl on facebook who tells everyone she lost her weight from diet and exercise but she got lipo. At least in Kaya's defense she's being up front and honest about getting it done but it's gonna end up in tears just like you said, anon.
No. 358700
>>358100The inconsistent 2 videos, 3 videos, 1 video a week thing is all over the place as well. Thrice weekly? WTF is that? Olde worlde language is so pretentious.
Those poor people paying her Patreon. What a waste of money.
No. 359459
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Anyone else notice he always has the most unflattering shots of Kaya in his thumbnails? Does he do it on purpose?
No. 359770
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>>359499This one in particular dear lord… I think you're right, he's too preoccupied with how he looks that he doesn't care if he gets an unfortunate shot of his own girlfriend.
No. 359782
>>359770Has anyone watched this video? I'm curious of what place 'sucks' but i don't want to give them revenue.
Is there a site i can go through to avoid giving youtubers revenue?
No. 360359
>>360148>tfw you have a potato face with your hair up:')
It's a struggle when it's hot. I have to wear something on my head (Like sunglasses) to keep my face looking balanced when my hair is up.
You automatically look like 10% more put together with sunglasses on your head somehow
>>360166I'mexcited for the heartache
No. 360364
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How is this the same person???
No. 360448
>>360409Unfortunately this seems to be an issue in the goth community (and many would argue in mainstream culture too) it was why I stopped watching ofherbsandaltars because I found him so refreshing that he called out the bs in the community…to then say he wants to die because hes gaining weight.
If it makes you feel any better I think that whole way of thinking just shows how unimaginative they are, there are quite a few youtubers who are not skinny but have made it big because they are creative and imaginative and are beautiful, and on the flip side there are youtubers who are skinny but dont have any talents and are surprised they dont have more followers.
>inb4 you so saltyI know this site is pretty bitchy and I do actually think there are more robots here who think they are slick because everyone assumed its mainly women here but I am just telling it like it is. If we're honest I think a lot of us are surprised of those who have gotten youtube famous because they are a real mixed bag if we were going on their looks and I would like to think for once we can be nice as its clear this shit really does effect younger people.
saged for mumbling.
No. 360449
>>360448Also before anyone moans not saying the cows in this thread are famous, I am talking about youtubers in general (mainly MUA'S etc)
saged
No. 360563
>>360409Goth is just a music typing and fan of said music while Gothic is an aesthetic and it doesn't matter if the person is fat but the reality is that most people are not attracted to fat people but there are people who definitely are.
But yeah photoshopping to oblivion is just… lol
No. 360568
>>360448If you want to be fat, be fat but you can't throw a fit if not many people find it appealing because that's just how it is. Fat is not appealing to a lot of people not because society says so but because a lot of people just aren't into very big bodies.
But if you can get past that and let your personality and talents shine, you'll be perfectly fine. One overweight person who was pretty beloved in the Gothic YouTube scene was DumpsterDollie, people liked her personality and she wasn't "lolcowy", at least not to the extent of some of the others mentioned here. Unfortunately she passed away a few years ago but my point still stands that if you just push yourself and show who you are without acting like an entitled twat, you'll be totally fine.
As for Ofherbsandaltars, it's normal that he felt that way. He was skinny his whole life and he genuinely liked looking skinny but when he started putting on weight, he didn't like how he looked. It's pretty normal.
No. 360780
>>360568Oh no :( I followed DumpsterDollie before youtube had proper notifications and was wondering why she stopped posting. I'm really out of the loop sometimes. Do you happen to know the circumstances? That's so sad.
>>360448In regards to ofherbsandaltars, i don't watch them (and don't want to go digging for this exact quote hence why i'm just gonna ask) but for clarifications sake can you tell me if he spoke of his own personal feelings or if he acted like being fat was disgusting for ALL people?
Cause I mean, I don't care if other people are fat (I wish people wouldn't eat themselves to death but if you're fat and capable of handling life and working I don't give a shit. I don't find it attractive but i don't give a shit).
But I stress about my own weight a lot. I've always been fat my whole life and it feels like every step forward comes with 15 steps backwards for me, so I lament it a lot. My husband has no problem with it (I tease him and call him a chubby chaser sometimes but he's fine with me losing weight if i want to) and I have no problem with people i meet who are fat as long as they don't have a gross attitude (entitlement and claiming disabilities just because they're fat).
There's a distinction there that matters basically.
No. 361130
>>360780Yeah, I was an avid watcher of her content back in the day and was shocked when this came out… The details weren't entirely clear but Leah Mouse, another Alternative Youtuber who was good friends with her and was the one who broke the news about the situation. All that was given was that Dumpster Dollie committed suicide…
On the Ofherbsandaltars situation, he didn't outright say fat people in general were disgusting, he was just saying that he himself felt gross and hated the weight he gained. In a lot of his blogs, he would lament about how he felt disgusting and hated the way he looked. I don't know if he feels that way now because at the time he was saying all that, it was when he was with his crazy ex-girlfriend who was poisoning him and making him ill and I feel that could've played into his unhealthy mental state at the time.
No. 361137
>>360610I read your comment and I still found it rather pointless. Just because OfherbsandAltars didn't/doesn't like being fat and thinks it disgusting on him doesn't mean all think that way. DumpsterDollie never put much stock into her weight and let her personality shine.
And the other reality is that not many people like being fat themselves, it's normal that people don't want to be fat, even if they are fat. Other than people maybe not finding it very appealing, they probably don't like the likeliness of health complications that can come with it. Not everyone thinks this way obviously as we have people like Tess Holiday who are trying to promote the "healthy and obese" mantra but I digress. The only YouTubers in the Alternative side who talk about weight was TT and Ofherbsandaltars, all the others don't even talk about it.
No. 361149
>>361137>Just because OfherbsandAltars didn't/doesn't like being fat and thinks it disgusting on him doesn't mean all think that wayI didnt say they did.
>And the other reality is that not many people like being fat themselves, it's normal that people don't want to be fat, even if they are fat. Other than people maybe not finding it very appealing, they probably don't like the likeliness of health complications that can come with it. Not everyone thinks this way obviously as we have people like-please sage your autistic blogposting in future especially when it doesnt belong in the thread. This wasnt what i was saying in my comment as it was more about youtube in general (which i stressed)
My comment wasnt directed at you, and you clearly didnt read it properly so you "finding it pointless" just shows how up your own ass you are. Maybe you should take your own advice and stop acting like an entitled twat, this thread isnt your personal blog post.
saged
No. 361215
>>360788I might look at the LeahMouse video. That really is sad :(
>>361130Thank you for extra insight on DumpsterDollie. RIP lil bat.
As for herbsandaltars it sounds like he was reasonable in his statements. False positivity is a problem youtubers are kinda forced to adhere to that I don't agree with and for a lot of people social media and youtube are their outlets. I hope he's better now.
>>361149I'm not the anon you're officially raging at but the only one acting autistic is you.
BACK ON TOPIC since i'm semi-responsible for derailing…
Anyone else notice Kaya seems kinda obsessed with her own legs? Like she's been reblogging this one pic of her own calves and boots (and cankles).
I get creators need to reblog their own content sometimes to stay visible but christ i swear i've seen it 5 times this week.
(this was a stretch just trying to steer us back on topic sorry yall)
No. 361380
>>361150Well on the suicide bit, remember that he was with that crazy girl who was poisoning him and I'm willing to bet that was what was screwing with his mind to think things like that.
>>361215I don't follow TT on social media so no I haven't seen it unless it was the pic posted earlier?
No. 361382
>>360788Yeah, I used to follow DumpsterDollie too and only learned just a few weeks ago about how she killed herself in response to her boyfriend killing himself.
I hope she's in a better place now.
No. 362092
>>361466Yeah and that's fine, other anon is probably just not comfortable with their own weight and misinterpreted it then.
>>361527They look so damn basic to me.
There's a difference between goth clothes and clothes that are black.
No. 362133
>>362117Wtf? Got a pic/link to the video or some visual aid to this so I don't have to go through social media to find it?
I feel like the only makeup a IBF type goth needs are reds, blacks, and whites and anything else is a waste of fucking money to give them.
Maybe purple but i don't think I've seen IBF wear any color other than red unless she's doing a 'goth to whateverstyle" video (I kinda like those since her normal look is so extreme)
No. 362139
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Here it is. Completely wasted on her tbh, there's so many more talented and creative makeup artists out there who'd give their right arm for just half of what IBF has been handed…yet she'll just slap on the same look over and over again with shoddy execution. So many people on her Instagram are saying she completely deserves it all as well…
No. 362189
>>362139Oh what the fuck? I thought a fan bought the collection for her but KVD actually gave it to her of all people? Jesus.
>>362150Man this is all making me want to start my own channel, both as an attempt to not suck as a youtuber but also to get free swag I'll put to good use. I'd donate anything to fans or whatever that didn't want to keep too. Some youtubers I follow do this and I respect them a lot for it. Even if they say something sucks they still offer and run a small giveaway for it if someone wants to try and win it to see for themselves.
>>362169Too bad TT doesn't seem to add accessories and such for her video.
Especially if you get stuff from the same brand often, showing how pieces from the same brand go together can help people with buying and styling from that brand (I've run into this issue before with a store that doesn't exist anymore. Bugg something. )
No. 362976
>>362970I agree, KVD liquid foundation only last a couple hours, and very patchy. Yes I did set it. I feel like nyx is way better, lol. If it works for you go for it, but I'm not impressed at all.
Sage, I think.
No. 362999
>>362976Sage goes in the email field.
And idk for me most of her lipsticks are very hit or miss. I can't stand her solid formula excrpt for bauhau5 but motorhead is AWFUL and impossible to wear. For her liquid formula, Berlin and some of the berry shades I find hold up fairly well but I don't do much that could really fuck them up and it could also be because I pair them with colourpop liners. Witches is patchty as fuck and a lot of her pink shades look like crap on most skintones. I bought a few of her products when I had more disposable income and didn't know better.
Sage for lipstick sperg
No. 363116
>>362917She's anti-semetic too and her shit is more recent than Jeffree's racist drama, just not as extreme. Say what you want about JS, his lipsticks are bomb 90% of the time (I only have 1-2 colors that are streaky which is really good in my opinion considering i own a shitload of his lipsticks)
>>363072>>363076This. You can get a lot of cool stuff from army surplus and modify it and dye it, and have it tailored to fit the way you want. In the end it won't cost as much and it'll be one of a kind.
No. 363825
>>363417Literally every person I've talked to about KVD vs JSC chooses KVD because JS is racist and they'll defend her anti-semitism as "a long time ago" or "hearsay" but JS's shit which he literally did when he was 19, "He was an ADULT he should've KNOWN BETTER he's DEFINITELY STILL RACIST"
Fucking retarded. No one can ever give me a receipt within the past five years for JSC that shows he's still racist. He's an asshole and too much of a drama queen for someone who owns a business but i think that's also part of why I enjoy it. I don't like fake sweet business models. I don't like being lied to.
People also went back to buying from Doe Deere after less than a year ofsilence because she hired a PR firm to cover social media when she LITERALLY dressed as hitler at 25.
Makeup fans are just retarded sometimes.
/rant over
>>363589I've said it once and i've said it again, you will never change the food industry by going vegan and with the way agriculture is right now, going vegan doesn't help the planet. Supporting local and humanely farmed food is the way to go if you don't want animals to suffer.
>>363741 >>363741>>363743
>follow me around while i eat KFC>>363743 No. 364181
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I think TT is overpunching it with the weight thing. I think this photo was around the start of the weight gain, she looks fine. She needs to be realistic that she can lose weight but she won't ever be 8 stone again like years ago.
(I'm just guessing with the 8 stone, I don't know how much she'd have weighed back then considering how tall she was)
No. 364239
>>364181That's not necessarily true anon. I had gained a lot of weight due to medication and health issues and I actually worked hard and got my weight below what I weighed when I graduated high school. It will take a lot of work but it IS possible as long as she exercises in addition to dieting. I may be in the minority here but I actually have a lot of hope for Kaya and her weight loss. I think we should be encouraging that rather than say she will not accomplish her goal but maybe that's because of my own feelings in regards to weight loss because I haf thought my own personal accomplishments were impossible.
Sage for blog.
No. 364256
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Depressing.
No. 364512
>>364239There's a difference - you actually worked hard to shift the weight, Kaya just tries some fad diet for about 2 weeks then gives up when she doesn't see results, she also seems to have cheat days way too often judging by the pictures she posts on her IG. Her portions are huge and she doesn't look like she's bothering to go to the gym anymore. If she actually put effort in and kept it up for months then all the best to her, but it's hard to try and support someones efforts in weight loss when they're clearly not even trying. It's also a slap in the face to anyone who is genuinely struggling with weight, when we can all see Kaya
would drop the weight if she really wanted to. The lipo is just a quick fix (not even a fix at that) and a cop out.
No. 364593
>>364239I have to agree with
>>364512Those of us who feel she'll never go back to the way she was is because of all the fad diets she's been resorting to only to give up relatively quickly when she wasn't seeing the results as fast as she wanted. Couple that with her posting lots of photos of her eating all kinds of junk food (her "cheat" days which were seemingly frequent) and saying she doesn't understand why she doesn't lose weight and how she would say she get exhausted doing lots of movement. It just paints a bad picture of someone who just doesn't have self-control. It especially got bad when she mentioned a long while back during one of her weight loss stints that she was getting help from her boyfriend which was dumb to start because he's trying to bulk and that's like the opposite of what she's trying to do.
And you know what, sure medication can cause weight gain but with proper management, it's possible to lose the weight, you're proof of that and that's why people get fed up with Kaya talking about her weight because other than her die hard fans, most people are over it.
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Does this just not get any worse? Complaining about acne and watching her wipe that filthy sponge over her face? Can't deal.
No. 364772
>>361150I dont even know why people are discussing ofherbsandalters as they are not a lolcow.
>>361215Kek, that projection, im not the one going on a
triggered rant about fat people. But ok i'll edit, please keep your autism
and your butthurt in check next time as you have rightly pointed out, you are derailing and shitting up the thread.
>>361527I like that she actually showed what they look like on this time. Its a step up.
>>362150From what i'm aware of KVD beauty are mostly a social media brand, so rather then big advertisements they send their items to various youtubers-not all of them goths, as their main source of advertisement. And it seems to work as I guess it comes across as more authentic.
>>362189You would most likely succeed, the amount of goth youtubers who have lots of haul videos is astounding.
>>362232Exactly this. I guess this is why now a lot of goth youtubers are putting out "goth elitism" videos.
>>364374Agree.
>>364512Actually I think the real issue is that what it boils down to is just a waste of money-i mean look at momokun and trisha who both got lipo but the results didnt last.
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No. 364788
>>364374Loose skin depends on a few factors
>starting size (you don't have to be massive to end up with loose skin. It's more common for people who were once skinny to come back with loose skin)>genetics>How hydrated you are>If you built any muscle when you lost the weightPlus just plain old luck. Someone could do everything right and barely be overweight and still come back with loose skin.
If Kaya was smart she'd just lose weight the healthy way because she's never going to keep it off when she gets lipo.
>>364666To be honest if she wasn't such a twat I would. I used to enjoy the videos where she'd just talk instead of just hauls and shit.
Overall there seems to be some discord in the makeup community regarding makeup gurus and the like who only post hauls or only post sponsored videos so maybe the chatty thing is trying to make it more personal again.
>>364769Still a huge waste.
>>364772Nigga will you shut the fuck up about how
triggered you are? Christ. No one here is
triggered except you and your ego.
No. 364795
>>364615I dont think the biggest loser is a great example, the expose on how the weightloss was really managed (including using street drugs etc) and how most of the contestants gained the weight back after leaving. Again she looks about the same weight as IBF so I dont see the issue.
>>364788Why so mad bro? Calm the fuck down, only one
triggered here is you. Also learn to sage.
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No. 364842
>>364818Yes she does have kids. I get it but in another hand, she might not operate on the same principles/values as you or I. I have a child and personally, whatever I do could impact my kid so I think twice before putting myself in certain situations, especially online. Parenting is one of the most "nebulous adventures" that life will ever throw at you lol.
What I meant is that she spawned a small army of clones who seem to be just larping as Adora. One being Victoria Lovelace. Her new entourage, if you will.
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>>364842Tbh I like adora's style and her makeup a lot but since shes pretty well known I'd be embarrassed to copy her style honestly. Like this in picture she posted from amphi… I thought she had photoshopped herself into the background but nope, its a friend of hers. I'd be freaked out if I had a friend that started dressing like me, it seems victoria lovelace did the same thing; her style seems to of been way more light and colourful before she got close with adora.
I mean, I understand being inspired by your friends to dress up more especially if you're alf its pretty encouraging but like… don't just be a clone of them???
No. 364867
>>364855Hmm i dunno, its a common thing for groups of friends to copy each others styles in subculture circles, it makes them feel more unified against the "normies". I dont think its the same as when normal groups of friends copy each other. In camden where I live you see groups of people dressing in the same specific styles (one group will be all cybergoth, another group all rockabilly) many are even colour co-ordinated to each other with the same looks like in your pic.
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No. 364888
>>364795It's kinda hard to get a grasp on her weight as she's always wearing large, oversized drapey clothing as opposed to IBF who seems more comfortable enough to wear form fitting stuff.
When TT made her "Why I'm fat" video, she looked fairly large (not morbid large but noticeable larger) and there's no sugarcoating that. But going off the latest picture, despite her wearing a large drapey top, it's totally plauaible that she did lose a small amount of weight.
I just think that the lipo is a waste because it's no guarantee that you will stay that way. Someone mentioned Trisha Paytas and her lipo thing and it's a good example as she's putting the weight back on due to going back to her Mukbang lifestyle.
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>>364855I thought it was that neanderthal brow VictoriaLoveLace at first
I'm glad to see it isn't, that girl in the Amphi photo is much cuter
No. 364928
>>364906>but we would find it a bit weird if one person suddenly started to dress exactly like another friendThere is a fashion called twinstyle-although not directly related to goth I have seen it replicated in goth. Basically the more extreme someones fashion is the more closely their friends mimic it, I assumed its to do with maybe not feeling alone/feeling closer to their friends.
Now Im not for one minute saying people dont copy each other (i mean we all know felice created a band of wannabe clones including she who must not be named lol) but I just know in the goth community that whole thing takes on a different meaning, especially if the person is a close friend (which seemed to be the case in the pic) so to me it could be either way, and from the looks of things adora seems down for it.
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No. 364936
>>364795You're the one who won't let it die, dude, i wasn't even the person you were originally talking to you collossal retard.
>>364855I honestly can't stand her. She only recently started to finally change up her makeup looks and shit.
No. 364947
>>364936I have no idea what your problem is, I was literally asking why are you mad, I dont know who you were talking to but you keep saying people here are
triggered and angry when they are not, You're the one who cant seem to let this go as you're getting pissed over an old post and are hellbent on just insulting everyone and calling them retards. Like seriously, chill the fuck out.
No. 365382
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SMH…The absolute state of IBF. That makeup looks like it was done by someone with Parkinson's and os that her gut poking out from beneath her boobs!?
No. 365388
>>365382Her foundation always looks like absolute shit. It's a shame because her actual skin is actually quite nice. She has some redness, but I think that may just be irritation from scrubbing off all the foundation/powder/setting spray. She's quite fair-skinned (I think she's said she's a natural ginger?) and I like her freckles.
She's not thin at all, but she's very good at hiding it on camera. Probably by drawing all the attention to her tits.
No. 365408
>>365388 I was never under the impression she was stick thin, but I never realised her belly actually sticks out past her boobs like that! Unfortunate camera angle for her this time I think.
And I get what you mean about her skin, it's not that bad and with a bit of tlc like proper skincare, not irritating the clean shit out of it with her screwed up "skin bleaching" recipes and plastering stark white crap all over on a daily basis (seriously, all foundations out there are "too dark for her skintone and pure white is the only shade light enough for her", I'm sure she's said on numerous occasions) which is a crock of shit right there. You can see clearly where her foundation ends and her natural skin tone begins so KVD L42 would probably match her just fine and still make her pale enough for her G O T H I C A E S T H E T I C without looking like a crusty mime. She could look decent, but instead she chooses to look like a goth parody 100% of the time for reasons I can't fathom.
No. 365461
>>365382I don't mind her makeup that much in this (I think the contour is a little harsh but that's typical with this type of gothlook sometimes so it might've been on purpose) but i do have two things to say about it
>Why the fuck can't she do her eyemakeup consistently despite doing this SAME LOOK LITERALLY EVERY DAY?>The eyeliner meeting the eyebrow really throws it the fuck off and makes it look really bad. As for the boob comment, no, she's standing at an angle and possibly isn't wearing a bra so that's her other boob.
Source: I also have fat tits and don't wear a bra.
No. 365921
>>365421Ah I see, I don't follow YouTubers really so I didn't know about it. Mainstream transformations are hardly original though anyway…
>>365461That's definitely not her other breast unless she's the three-boobed woman from Total Recall
No. 366046
>>365033Yeah I agree. I think people, especially younger people are more likely to copy someone but if they stay in the game long enough, they'll find their own style eventually.
>>365613I'm just not sure on that. To me, a goth is someone who enjoys the music and from the things I've seen of Freya's content, she actually listens to and enjoys the music quite a bit. Sure her look is very over the top and she has some questionable makeup habits but I do think she is a Goth because she enjoys the music. In fact, other than Angela Benedict, she's the only other bigger "Goth YouTuber" who has spoken about the music and doesn't shy away from it like a lot of the others have and I appreciate that immensely.
>>365701Pretty much this. Freya may be a bit of an attention seeker and may pump out some cliche content but she loves the music, takes us to shows through vlogging, and you can sense the passion in her love for it.
>>365729I watched it and I disagreed with her. I like snowy but that video… I wholeheartedly disagreed with the premise and I think she's trying to pander. The fact that she kept mentioning "elitist" this and "Elitist" that really doesn't help the case either.
No. 366229
>>366090Oh I'm sure that's the reason. She doesn't want to alienate or lose subscribers for sharing the truth about the subject and that is what I just couldn't stomach because that is one of the reasons how Goth became misconstrued as it is known for now.
And I agree, you shouldn't force yourself to listen to the music but the fact of the matter is that if you don't enjoy the music, the thing that Goth is about, then you're not a Goth and that is okay. If you like dark stuff, you're still darkly inclined and you have a place in the Gothic subculture, keyword being "Gothic" which is home for both Goths and Darkly-Inclined people. The only difference is that you most likely wouldn't see a strictly darkly inclined person at a Goth concert.
No. 366316
>>366255Fucking this! Her hair is awful now. Not the right head shape.
Personally I see her looking tacky. Her make up is somehow becoming worse and with the added new hair cut…
No. 366371
>>365701I would call Freya a poser. Why? If you listen to her response (2 years ago) from her video the Goth Tag all of her answers are appearance based. Spooky stuff and looking goth 'since she started buying her own clothes' is just reinforcing the fact that she didn't get into it because of the music. Seriously, looking and being spooky is a bi-product of a scene kid wanting to be a goth.
https://youtu.be/XPmaOchZjI4?t=28 - It's only in very recent times she has made a concerted effort to advertise bands and list a very 'predictable' interest in certain groups because she obviously knows there is more to it than that - but can only grasp at what she knows (or has experienced to date) to be taken seriously. It's never going to happen. FYI her new hair cut is atrocious. Just another scene kid aka Social Repose new wave fuckwit.
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>>364256there is nothing flattering about this picture.
I wonder how much she used to get paid for these photoshoots
No. 366434
>>366371She even looked like a scene kid at one point, look ather MySpace profile for pics
>>366410An anon who claimed to know them (Kaya and Jake) in the previous thread said she would sometimes pay to have the photoshoots done lol. Anyway I think the anon who posted the photo meant it's depressing how skinny she once was compared to her current self.
No. 366441
>>366337Its not the style of makeup thats bad but the application. Look at
>>365382, the inner corners of her eyes look muddy, her lipstick is wobbly and all her eyeliner/brows is messy and patchy
No. 366539
>>366371Well I mean… I think that it's fine if people are initially attracted to Goth from the look and then discover they like the music as well. I mean I won't lie, that's kinda how I got to the Goth scene. I was initially attracted to the look and I stayed for the music. How is that a bad thing?
>>366389I was just curious. Like I admitted beforehand, I'm not very knowledgeable with makeup as I hardly wear it myself (and I'm naturally tan). When I look at her makeup, it just makes me think Trad Goth but I decided to do a quick Google image search of trad goth makeup and I suppose I can understand the reason why hers isn't considered good. The stark white foundation she uses is definitely odd and from the photos I've seen of others doing trad inspired makeup, it looks better because they aren't using a white as fuck foundation. So okay my bad. I just wasn't sure.
>>366434Well no offense but everyone goes through a phase when they're a teenager lol I remember I looked like a bordering emo when I was in high school and those days are long behind me lol
>>366467In my opinion, if they enjoyed the music but just didn't like dressing dark, I still would think they were Goth as they are a fan of the music. But I understand some would think differently. I just think the look isn't everything because even when you look at Post-Punk bands like Joy Division, they didn't look all that theatrical.
>>366522Pretty much this
>>366527See I like all that but literature is definitely not something I'm very interested in. I used to be into reading a lot when I was younger but now, it's hard for me to really get into a book lol But I do like the other subculture celebrates. But I do agree that it gets tiring watching boring expensive haul videos and unboxings.As for bands, the only people in the YouTube scene whoever seem to mention them are Angela Benedict, Victoria Fashen, It's Black Friday, & Snowy Lother; The rest just seem to go on and on about the fashion or if they talk about music, it's always Metal bands lol
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>>366632I think she naturally has pretty thin hair? Might be from years of constantly dying/teasing it. I think she mentioned before that she sleeps with it teased up, and only brushes it out to wash it.
I didn't realise she was quite so wide, you can't see her waist at all. From what I can tell though, she seems to carry most her weight around her middle.
The video was a bit boring, but her and her husband always seem like a very nice couple. Way more so than Kaya and Jake.
No. 366704
>>366665Hm well I dunno, I think seeing it styled, it looks pretty good though I'm sure Matthias helped with it since he has the style so she was in good hands lol
I also agree on their chemistry, they do seem genuine and fond of each other.
No. 366822
>>366665wow, i actually really like it. i think deathhawks look goofy when not styled on anyone, though, and it seems to make her happy.
that guitar pose is unforgivable though.
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Candid photo of Kaya from whatever event she's at right now
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>>367192Actual creepy pasta nightmare fuel. Pale skin and black lips do nothing for her teeth.
No. 367549
>>367480Hasn't she already done a load of dumb candy unboxings? We know you love your food Freya but come on… come up with something original for once
>>367192>>367503Yeah I don't think the outfit is too bad but she looks… off somehow? She always towers over everyone, I mean if she likes platforms fair enough but if I was her height and weight I wouldn't want to make myself even taller and look like a giant in comparison to everyone else, it only emphasises how large she really is. The shaved hair is also not particularly flattering as she has gained weight on her face
No. 367585
>>367583Sorry anon, there's a little more to gothic style than just "being stared at".
On another note (and yes I'm sure the woman she's posing with is fairly short, but the women behind her look quite normal in height and she's still colossal in height compared to them!) I wonder how.much she actually weighs!? She's super tall as well as chubby…so I bet the numbers on her scales are staggering…
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>>367583
> shes not even wearing platforms hereShe is wearing platforms - they're Demomias. 5 inches I think.
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>>367627 I'm dying!
Jake looks like he's had the comedown of the century as he realizes who his fans actually are. Look at that unbridled look of disgust!!
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Ahahah, oh Jake…gotta be a kick in the nuts for ya, hmm? Bet he imagined all his fans to be hot, tall and thin goth girls.
I don't mind Kaya…she's got issues yeah but her personality isn't entirely repulsive…but Jake? Ahaha, he's a prize cockwomble and these photos are making my day!
No. 367654
>>367652Ahem, *vlogs.
Sorry!
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>>326344>>367673He looks cool in some of his older photos but he was a lot younger and he wasn't so bulked up.
The way he styles himself now makes him look like a complete douche. I don't know if it's the hair or the sunglasses or the piercings or the combination of the three along with his massive fucking ego.
No. 367700
>>367623Surely top down angles are more flattering in terms of making you appear thinner? Christ just how big is she then? Notice her thighs in that pic are pretty big but in all her IG photos they look average, guess she forgot to photoshop this time.
>>367687Agreed
>>367697Meh he looks ok but I still see more emo there than goth
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, Jake's always looked crazy gothic.. not emo at all! /sarcasm
No. 367774
>>367697I'm sorry but he looks like a straight up Emo, not Goth at all. I remember seeing a lot of kids who looked like him when I was in high school lol
>>367737Lovely lol but yeah, they look very 2005-2006 here. A Mall-Goth and a Emo haha.
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>>367192her size and her hair remind me of Hagrid from HP.
I think it's time for Kaya to stop with this goth stuff and get an actual job.
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No. 367877
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Jake wasn't always a chav…
No. 367878
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Wow, she had such a gorgeous waist
No. 367879
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This is such a crazy look, even for goth/cyber punk haha
No. 367928
>>367877Yeah he was an emo
>>367872Not hating on "larger" folk but I just find it highly amusing the only alt looking people there are big, I bet Jake was hoping for super skinny, tall goth girls that we all know he loves.
No. 368161
>>367637I hope it is.
I don't understand how he even manages to be such a huge douche/annoying. At least he makes TT look compared to him, she really deserves someone better. If they ever break up I hope it's her who will do it and it crushes his ego a bit.
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>>367959I think those are the black gym leggings guys wear, like these. Totally not chavvy or anything lol…
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>>367195At least IBF is going back to having paid promotions for whitening her teeth
No. 368451
>>368428I said "in that picture" so no, I didn't watch it. It's teeth, so I don't really care to see it.
>>368354My teeth are sorta yellow and even when I wear foundation that's a touch lighter than my own skin tone it makes them look super yellow lol, hers most be extremely yellow to look like that though…
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Do I suspect a little chin photoshopping going on here?
No. 368901
>>368896Yeah, I agreed with her but the comments section was predictable as you're seeing some people "
triggered" by what she said, it's kinda hilarious lol
No. 368990
>>368896I agree with everything she says in this video, but I dont understand how she cannot see that being called "darkly inclined" instead of goth by goths is not something that people like, that would make me feel unwelcome as fuck!
Then I think I would prefer to just not be called anything at all.
I do love how harsh she was when talking about money grubbing youtube goths being the front runners on the goth scene online right now, its really sad that young people are going to see Kaya and BF as the first thing when they search goth online..
No. 369013
>>368990But frankly it's the truth. If you're not into Goth music like at all no matter what era then you just aren't a Goth and that's okay. You know back then people who were into things that weren't considered the norm were just called "Alternative" which was the umbrella term for all people who didn't care about the norm. So if you wanted to call yourself something that hints that you like unconventional things and don't want to be called "Darkly inclined", just go with "Alternative" because it's the true umbrella term for all people who don't fit the conventional.
But yeah I was also glad how she didn't sugarcoat the snake-like actions of the likes Kaya & Jake, two of the biggest appropriating people of the subculture who try to have their fans fund their lifestyle.
No. 369042
>>369033Yeah I just took a look at the comments and it's not looking too good despite the few positive ones but you know what? Are you really surprised? For years, this topic was being avoided and we kept having cows like Toxic Tears & Jake spreading their misinformation with no one really calling them out.
I think this is what makes Angela great. She most likely has nothing to lose with YouTube in terms of ad revenue so she doesn't have to pander to people and tell them what they want to hear unlike say It's Black Friday. She can be real with her audience and it's a rude awakening for those who were blinded to the truth of it all.
No. 369112
>>366434Are you from the LA, Utah, or Austin goth scenes? You sound young af if you think that it matters that she dressed like a scene kid before she got into goth.
Inb4 white knighting
>>366665I used to leave my deathhawk up when I had one. It started dreading and I had to shave it all of. No wonder her hair looks so thin
No. 369247
>>369112I'm not even from the US nor am I young, I just found it amusing she used to be quite scene looking before she transitioned to goth, someone else pointed it out too so I was just going on that. Fair enough people have phases before they find themselves but I just found it amusing is all.
>>368990I can see your point to an extent, yes it would be easier to just say "I'm a goth" when asked instead of "Oh no I'm not a goth, I'm just
darkly inclined" but it's the equivalent of calling yourself a metalhead if you don't like metal at all, just because you dress like one. I think just saying you're alternative or dark would be better really.
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Saw these comments on Snowy's vid, uh oh we're getting a response video from her soon…
No. 369283
>>369269Angela's video was not a personal attack in the slightest. She was polite, reasonable and made very good points. I think some people are just getting butt-hurt because someone finally came out and said what needed to be said and didn't tell them what they wanted to hear like a lot of the lolcows mentioned here do. The fact that some of those people are calling Angela an elitist is hilarious as she's the farthest thing from.
I'm curious on what Snowy's response is going to be but eh, I already can tell what she's going to say.
Whatever the case, I still think Angela's video was one that needed to be made and if it
triggers people who it may very well apply to, that's their own problem.
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Sorry if this is just a random person in the end but is this TT?
No. 369368
>>369347Classic example of "fame" getting to your head. Same thing with IBF, her early videos were at least varied and interesting and she seemed genuine, but now… she's just in it for the popularity.
>>368940Is it just me or do Jake and Kaya seem more like friends than bf/gf? Like, just from watching his vlogs with her and the way they interact they come across as friends more than anything (and not even good friends at that). Even their 6 (or 7?) year anniversary video he came across as uninterested and bored. I think Jake would probably like to leave her especially as I think he must hate how big she's gotten, but the chance at getting e-famous off her back is too much for him so he sticks around. Guaranteed once her YT channel eventually dies down he'll be off.
No. 369491
>>369368I have to agree that Jake & Kaya just seem like acquaintances/friends than boyfriend & girlfriend. Say what you want about IBF and Matthias, they clearly do have affection and genuine care for each other. I'm not trying to imply that their relationship is superior, no relationship is perfect. But if just feels like the only reason Jake is with Kaya is for her E-Fame whereas Matthias seemed to have already had a life and had something going for him (going to school for his passion) and didn't need to rely on someone's E-fame, at least that's the impression I get from how he is whenever he's featured in Freya's videos.
>>369424Pretty much what
>>369442 said. Did you even watch the whole video? She wasn't saying that you only had to listen to just Goth music, you can listen to other genres as well.
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>>368940Yeah I can't imagine him ever doing this again. In old pictures they're always cuddling, kissing and she sits on his lap and stuff. They don't even hug in videos.
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he use to look more goth
No. 369541
>>369538If you mean like a mix of Mall-Goth & Visual Kei, then sure, sure he did.
Man seeing these old pics of Kaya is just haunting. How old was in these old pics? It's just such a drastic change
No. 369735
>>369713Perhaps you may be right but that's just carelessness on her end then. She should've specified more but clearly she didn't and we all know why she didn't.
>>369726And yet people are taking Angela out of context when she went as far to list to different varying sub-genres of Goth (Goth Rock, Post Punk, Darkwave, Coldwave, Ethereal, New Romantic, & some Industrial). what's your point?
>>369710You must be dense then because no one is saying Angela is the queen of anything. She just answered the question truthfully and told it like it is. some people just couldn't handle the truth and their reactions were both predictable and hilarious.
No. 369743
>>369726Posers only make the music a huge issue. Most people with a genuine interest in goth don't give a second thought to the music because that's what they're there for. The only people screaming about elitists are the ones that are fashion-only.
At this point can we just call them fashion-goths?
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No. 369845
>>369836I can guarantee you that I was not one of the people saying that more people should know her. I like her little stories but anything beyond that she's kind of annoying.
I'm more bugged about how she purposely misconstrued Snowy for the sake of some inconsist rambly video. Then she "apologizes" that she may have not been clear in the first video by saying that anyone who disagrees with her was just "
triggered" when it's pretty clear she just got "
triggered" by Snowys video first. She heard the words elitist and music and flew off the handle. I get that her teen years were the best of her life but she needs to grow out of them now.
No. 369858
>>369845 She asked Snowy what she meant before making her response to it. Why go to her first to make sure she didn't get it wrong if she planned to make a butthurt video about it? In the second one she didn't apologize about anything. She was saying that people heard
trigger words and that's not the same as being
triggered. If you don't like her talking about her teen years don't watch her channel because its almost all about her life in the 90's.
No. 369961
>>369796I think there is a different between throwing a hiss-fit about elitist and then just thinking somebody is one.. I think Angela IS an elitist about goth but that doesn't mean I HATE her, I feel like you have got to be a little bit elitist in order to be goth, especially because of the whole music discussion. I dont think being a bit snobby over your subculture is a bad thing as long as youre not an asshole to people, and Angela isn't.
The only thing that annoys me is that she is trying hard to say that she doesn't care when she very clearly does, you can't say I don't really care and goths don't actually really care and then spend this much time concentrating on talking about why you DO care and why goths DO care. Just be honest and say yes some parts of a subculture gotta be a bit harsh and a bit snobby, thats how it works. There IS rules.
As long as youre not a total asshat who gets
triggered and bullies when a 13 year old girl in a choker from the mall calls herself goth, then I actually think being a bit elitist about your subculture is a good thing and keeps it together.
No. 369967
>>369961I agree with you but try replacing "elitist" with "protective" and "snobby" with "purist" for example. The word "elitist" does a disservice to what Angela is trying to convey. She does not state that her opinion is above all and superior (which is what the word means really). I think that it would remove us from the antagonising nature of the word and help us focus on the subject at hand which is -how do we make sure that the subculture does not devolve into a fashion contest and dies, whilst paying some respect to the bands who made it what it is, and still is?
The word gets people so emotional, it ends up clouding the discourse.
No. 370120
>>369929Oh I remember GothMoth, I used to watch her back in the day when she made some discussion videos. There were some things I disagreed with like her whole "Bubblegum Goth" thing and how she said it's an actual Goth thing but aside from that, she seemed okay though recently when I went back to watch re-watch her videos, I decided to look in her comments section and yeah… She does seem to have high sense of self. I saw some replies where someone would compliment her and she'd say something like "Yeah I know."
And then I watched her recent video on Gender pronouns and I just mentally checkedo ut. Anyone who thinks that pronouns like "Ze", "Zer", or "zhey" should be respected is an absolute moron though I'm not surprised because the video she made before was about Tumblr and how great it is. Should've seen that one coming lol
No. 370124
>>369961Pretty much what
>>369967 said. Angela is just being protective and purist (talking about the music) and that is not a bad thing. It was about time someone came out and said what needed to be said instead of going on and on about Gothic clothing haul this and unboxing video that. I'm not afraid to say that out of all the Lolcows mentioned here, I would only count like two of them as actual Goths (just a bit lolzy) and the rest are just Darkly Inclined but use the goth moniker for E-fame and exploits to get free shit.
>>370045Where in the video did she say anything like that? No one is saying you have to like x many songs from a particular Goth band. There are literally thousands of Goth bands and you're not going to like every song of theirs. I mean personally, I only enjoy like one song from Bauhaus and I can't really get into the rest of their music. But someone who truly wants to get into Goth music will end up finding songs they do enjoy and could build a playlist consisting of songs from all kinds of Goth bands of the varying subgenres.
As for talking about music, no one is saying that someone should only make videos on just the music and nothing else but surely something like a top 10 favorite Goth songs video or even highlighting some bands you enjoy can suffice. I mean lets look at TT for example. When have you ever seen her make at least one video about Goth music? Never. It's only hauls and unboxings or Makeup.
And sorry but contrary to popular stupid belief, Goth always had a certain foundational guideline. When people say shit like "Goth is whatever you want it to be", it's just false as that definition mainly originally applied for "Alternative". Alternative was the umbrella term for outcasts who liked being unconventional and giving the middle finger to mainstream society but deep inside the mountains of alternative you'd find certain camps of music-based subcultures (Punk, Goth, Metal, Emo, etc.) and each of them had music-based foundations.
No. 370147
>>370048(not directed at you)(sorry for my crappy writing and if it doesn't make sense)(dyslexic sorry)
Now, when I was in high school if you called your self a goth it was so cliche.
But,
If you actually listened to a genre you earned the right to say you were a part of that subculture, if you knew your shit. (If you brought up the fact you are a part of a particular subculture lets say goth every 2 seconds you look like tryhard, very uncool at the time.)
If you didn't have a main genre of music but into dark things, music or etc.. you were just a darkly inclined, different, freak, your own thing, or just alternative.
I knew alot of people hated being labeled. Also some people hated being labeled as goth; because they were just being themselves or apart of another subculture altogether.
You can dress how you like, your just expressing your self. It just doesn't seem fair to the people who are really into the music to call your self goth. In my opinion.
From my veiw,
I'm a metalhead. If you dressed metal and didn't listen to the music. I just think your a groupie or not a metalhead at all.
No. 370287
>>370147But let's be real here. No one will say they're Goth 24/7 in person. I won't lie, in all my life I have never met anyone else who actually liked Goth music and the few who claimed to be "goth" were nothing but Metalheads. They could go on and on about Metal bands but when I tried to talking Goth music with them, it was crickets. I didn't hold them against it but the more I learned about Goth music, the more I started forming my own opinion on the subject as a whole.
"I'm a metalhead. If you dressed metal and didn't listen to the music. I just think your a groupie or not a metalhead at all."
Yep, it's exactly like that lol People who claim to be a music-based thing but have no interest in it at all are just like groupies.
>>370188Yeah I was always irked that she drew her eyebrows so angular and thin. I mean, I'm kinda assuming she takes her makeup inspiration from the 80s trad look but something looks very off. I'm not sure if it's just the quality of her camera or maybe it's because the makeup is so intense and the first thing my goes to is her black Septum piercing which just really throws the makeup look off in my opinion.
No. 370366
>>370315The funny thing is, Metalheads are a really bad example. Maybe it's my country, but when ask what is "Metalhead subculture?", I could count on my hands how many people thought it had a life style aspect to it.
Almost all people considered the subculture part as concert etiquettes. Of course you listen to metal whenever you can/like and maybe dress as typical stereotype, but beyond everyone agreed that it says nothing about your life or other preferences.
No. 370372
>>370302This has to be one of the most fucking retarded things I have ever read on the internet.
Goth is a music based label to be distinguished from others.
You want it to be "whatever I feel like goth is" fuck off.
It's music based. It's music roots. There isn't just one "goth" band. Everyone has said it and only the fuckwits that have gotten into goth in the last 7-10 years will list off the same damn shit.
You are goth if you listen to ANY of the goth genres.
If you do NOT listen to them, you're not goth.
How thick do you have to be to not understand that?
No. 370461
have we all seen the 'instagram' response to the snowy video angela made yet? : hey everyone!! i just want to say a huge thank you to the lovely people that have supported me in response to recent things that have happened online. it makes me so touched to hear that you know you can always trust me in being completely honest with you. I always will be. Not only have I been accused of lying to you so that I don't lose subscribers, but I've also been misquoted all for the sake of a nasty video to be made against me. Just because they disagree with my opinion. All I want to be is an open minded and accepting person, which apparently means I'm not real with you, and I just want to look nice to keep viewers. Will i respond to this with a video? They are not worth my time. My channel is about acceptance and positivity and I do not want any negativity at all on there, and I do not need to defend myself to someone who doesn't even know who I am. I could respond to the video, repeat what I actually said in the original video and how what i said was completely taken out of context. Because it was. However instead I'm not going to waste the precious time i have in my life defending myself in a video, when I know who I really am, and the people that matter to me truly know too. Just because I believe in something you don't, it's not because I'm scared to say "what I really think" it is because I genuinely have a different opinion to you, believe it or not. Anyways thank you all so much, I love you xxx PS I hear that comments defending me are being deleted, but just know I still feel so much love from you all and thank you all for everything, you're the best.———–
Seriously. This is why these fairy floss everything should be perfect wrapped in cotton wool girls should NOT be putting goth in a sentence….. video title…. GIVING ADVICE FOR BEGINNER GOTHS - fuck me. Snowy, fucking grow up - move out of your parents and that single minded single bed mentality - what a fucking BABY.
No. 370467
>>370461Agreed, fucking come on. These gawf girls are such little snowflakes. Anything that challenges their stance is a BIG MEAN NASTY PERSONAL ATTACK!
Nice to see the very valid points that Angela makes don't warrant a response. Way to slam the lid on a discussion, Snowy. Why even make the fucking video in the first place…
No. 370508
>>370461I don't follow her on Instagram but seriously what the flying fuck? Snowy really is being a baby about this. "Personal attacks?" Is she really that dense to imply that Angela and the few others who made videos on the topic are personal attacks to her? She can piss right off. For Fuck's sake.
>>370482It's not that, it's the fact that she actually believes Angela's video was a personal attack which it clearly wasn't. That's why people think Snowy is being a baby about it.
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>>370461I'm guessing this person didn't post a screenshot because its too long to be in one go… or well I dont use instagram so I don't know how to show the whole text in one, but im posting here just so people can see its legit and not something anon made up
No. 370645
>>370638Lmao I wrote wrong, I meant I don't use instagram that MUCH, before somebody slaps me for clearly being on instagram in the screenshot! My bad!
Saging my own stupidity
No. 370684
>>370666Oh shut up already, Angela is right in this, her video was clearly about Snowy which she even mentioned by name but its called having a DISCUSSION, something that appereantly immediatly becomes a personal attack online nowadays!
If you want to discuss things online you cant immediatly feel personally attacked if somebody disagrees with your opinion
No. 370714
>>370666What makes you think that tweet is a personal attack? She's talking about herself and the people who were upset by her saying that if you don't listen to goth music she doesn't think you're goth.
I don't get why it is so important for people who aren't into the music to identify with the subculture, and why they insist on defending their "title" as goth so adamantly. When I was younger that would be like openly admitting that you're a poser, it's just embarrassing to me.
In any case she's definitely right in that the opinion of a youtuber shouldn't affect your self image to such great extent, people need to chill.
No. 370772
>>370770Pretty much the core of the crux, people wanting something to cling on to/feed from to the point of needing to change the definition just to suit themselves.
Snowy was never goth to begin with IMO rather darkly inclined
No. 370794
>>370772????
Snowy is a huge fan of the trad goth music how is she not goth? Just because she doesn't dial it up to 11 everytime she leaves the house like black friday doesn't mean shes not a goth
No. 370901
>>369750A note about Angela-while others have (understandably) complained that most of the goth youtubers mentioned here in thread make haul videos, I have noticed the majority of Angela's videos are complaining about goth elitism. It just seems the problem a lot of these goth youtubers have is they are literally one trick ponies, so im not surprised if people come to the conclusion that there is not much to the goth subculture if they are going on these videos. Now I say this as someone who likes watching these youtubers, but the trouble is once you have seen one of their videos you have literally seen all of them. Which is why I am branching out and watching other (non-goth) youtubers now.
Saged
No. 371013
>>370979I wouldn't want any of that even if I got it for free. The cat toys are kind of cute but essentially useless for entertaining a cat I think? Other than them having catnip my cat at least wouldn't be interested in a small (I'm only assuming they're small, there isn't any measurements in the descriptions) stuffed toy.
Aside from the cat toys and the wall piece (which looks like an aborted baby with boobs imo), all items are pre-order or made to order so the people who do want them could be left waiting for their things a long time. I can't imagine that this endeavour will be very successful.
No. 371023
>>371001Dear god girl, just soak those two hideous looking fake nails you have left off already?? She looks so crusty, that bumpy skin from wearing so much foundation every day is just ugh.
I don't get how someone who's been drawing on their eyebrows for years can still be so bad at it, same with her eyeshadow and liner. Like, maybe don't go for such an OTT look if you're not willing to put in the time and effort it takes to do it well. Her makeup looks decent from afar (if you're into a clown white face that is) but up close it's a disaster.
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>>371020That product buildup
No. 371064
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TT video about GETTING INTO GOTH - there's ONE link to music. She also refers to only music that is not 'new' is goth. What planet is she on? GOTH MUSIC IS ALIVE AND WELL TODAY TOO YOU MORON. She keeps saying 'respect' the music and 'try' to listen to it. In light of the recent 'Do you have to listen to goth music to be goth?' videos - this just cements it for me. She likes metal and spooky things. She DOESN'T like goth music and DOESN'T listen to it, so therefore - NOT GOTH. TT you're a bloody nightmare. Go back to your spooky box shit and talking about your weight. TT and many others are the reason the scene is SO SHIT at the moment. I really hope this new video that has come out continues others to come out and solidify this. Oh, no… that would mean there would not be a 'safe space' for people to hang out or 'elistism' is at an all time high because we PRIDE ourselves on the music and the genre. Yes, we will fight for this because it's WHAT GOTH IS. Quote: "I'm not going to get into bands on this channel because people get really snippy… and that's where the elitists come in…." Again, Your'e not goth because you CAN'T OR DON'T LIKE THE MUSIC! Get that through your thick thighs Kaya. We DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T! Just stop appropriating yourself as GOTH to be famous. Also just using ONE link to offer some music list that someone else wrote…. also cements that you are not interested int he music. "Find things that inspire you …. like TUMBLR and PINTEREST????…….It's fucking sad. You are SPOOKY - whatever. NOT GOTH. Yep I guess I'm an elitist - according to Snowy, Kaya and IBF and all their pandering clueless teenagers who look up to them. We're fucking doomed.
No. 371090
>>371079You seem way too angry about it for it to have been something you've known for a while.
> In light of the recent 'Do you have to listen to goth music to be goth?' videos - this just cements it for me. She likes metal and spooky things. She DOESN'T like goth music and DOESN'T listen to it, so therefore - NOT GOTH.Do you mean that after watching Angelas video you finally realized that goths have to like goth music and became furious at TT over something you knew about her all along or..? I just don't get why you're so upset.
I've been here a few months, I'm enjoying myself so it's working out well thanks
No. 371157
I honestly don't care about all those tender goths online who lose their shit if someone questions their goth credibility; who gives a shit, really?
I feel like the label has lost all its meaning. Metalheads who enjoy the goth fashion and aesthetic are using the label "goth", like lilachris who does quote unquote goth videos and afaik she's a metalhead. Reeree is also a metalhead and uses the goth label.
Honestly right now they are using it less as a subgenre label (as it should be, a goth listens to goth music, a metalhead to metal etc) and more as a blanket term to cover a certain look: spooky stuff, goth clothes, tim burton, black eyeshadow, and so on. Oooo lemme guess, you like bats, dead stuff, spoopy things, vampires, SO ORIGINAL. And then they have to justify anything un-goth they like with UNGOTH CONFESSIONS like who gives a steaming pile of shit if you like disney or retro clothes or pink? Who actually gives a fuck if they are a cognitive, complex adult with a life if you like something "un"goth? This isn't vegan academy where you get three strikes and you're out. "On September 17th you knowingly watched a Disney movie" DISNEY ISN'T GOTH?
You don't see "metalhead makeup" or "metalhead lookbook", you might see something called punk/edgy but it's usually by soft "normal" people who wanna look badass and apply dark red eyeshadow and liner and wow suddenly they are bamf. Metalhead clothes is like what… band t shirts and punk influenced clothing. Goth is a lot more interesting visually and it's no surprise a lot of alternative people like to dress that way.
So yeah I don't really blame people like Angela who want to reclaim the term for its original purpose. Because the truth is it's become a blurry catch-all phrase for a huge group of people from different backgrounds but it sounds cooler and edgier to say goth, you get more followers using the #goth hashtag and you seem like a general edgelord when in reality your originality and variety is as lacking as my fucks to give about those presh gothies on the internet whose feels get hurt
No. 371179
>>370684Yes she did mention her. Duh, she put her name in the title "Snowy Response" but like she said in her clarification, the second she went on about the subject, it wasn't about Snowy anymore but just how she felt about where the scene was heading as a whole and even I caught that when I watched her first video.
>>370714This. All of this and more lol.
>>370771I feel she kinda did in the response video when she talked about how a lot of the YouTubers will do nothing but hauls, unboxings, and bath bomb videos lol Even if it wasn't directly to her.
>>370772Nah Snowy is a Goth in my opinion, she actually enjoys the music. I just think she was pandering the same Bullshit we hear from the typical lolcows as to not offend anyone.
>>370805Does Snowy have a Tumblr? lol
>>370835Lame rebuttal.
>>370880You don't have to read it lol
>>370979Eh… I think her art is nice but I wouldn't pay for merchandise with it plastered on it.
>>371064Oh God please don't remind me of this stupid video. It's the video that made me not take her serious anymore as I still remember when she posted that video, I did a look back to see if she ever talked about Goth music to which there was "Zelch, nadda". And when she got to "I'm not going to get into bands on this channel because people get really snippy… and that's where the elitists come in", I was done. Actual Goths would not bicker over Goth bands being discussed assuming they are actual Goth bands and not shit like Black Veil Brides & Motionless in White (No offense to people who like them, I just get tired of seeing them mentioned as Goth music). Kaya was just an idiot in that video and so transparent to someone who is not an uber fan of hers.
No. 371183
>>371157THIS. So flipping true. And I'm familiar of Lilachris, I remember in one of her Q&AS when asked if she listened or enjoyed Goth music, she pretty much said "no" or "It wasn't her cup of tea", something like that. She's a nice girl and all but I don't consider her a Goth, just another Darkly inclined person. And I've felt the same about ReeRee as well. Nothing but a Metalheand, I mean look at her background wall and she even started a Metal discussion type videos. If that's not the clear-cut definition of a Metalhead, I don't know what is lol. Seriously she can blab on forever about that stuff which is not a bad thing really but still.
It's just ironic that a lot of these people feel attacked after Angela made her video being blunt and to the point while giving context to why she believes in what she does.
This actually kinda reminds me when Sebastian Columbine made a video about Goth music back when she was obsessed with Deathrock. As lolcowy as she is, that video was actually a good one as she explained the different sounds of Goth and even went into song structure talk that she got help with from her more musically-inclined friends.
But the video had quite a big dislike ratio (Gee I wonder why?) and she ended up deleting the video.
No. 371188
>>371183I'm the person you replied to and yeah, it's become a pointless tag by now.
I'm a metalhead, and yeah I do wear goth clothes a lot and sometimes I tag it as such (if on instagram) because it's usually a lot easier to say "I like goth clothing" to someone when you're explaining your tastes rather than go "I'm actually a metalhead but I enjoy a lot of female-led bands who wear corsets and gothic inspired clothing and tim burton is cool I guess but it's not my cup of tea but I still really like the clothes and style"
If someone asks me "are you goth?" I'd say no because I don't care anymore about assigning myself a subculture label. I use the word to find clothes easier, to give a quick visual for anyone, or to look shit up on google. But,
am I goth? Nah. I used to care a lot about being the ubergoth and being as dark and only black! and dressing very extra to visit an alternative store etc, and now I just don't give a damn.
However my money and freebies and followers don't exist. I don't have to use the label to promote myself or my image or to get free shit from killstar or punk rave. I have no gain to use the label when I don't belong in it, so I don't. I can imagine that on Youtube or instagram using the goth label is an instant way to garner attention from a large current of alternative people who - whether from a metal background, cyber or actually goth, will take interest in your appearance and your ~gothiness. Because I can guarantee a lot of subscribers or followers are not even darkly inclined or have any desire to be, they just like the look or the person. And a lotta other people are metalheads, or they listen to edm, or they listen to bauhaus, or they just find the person looking cool.
So people like Snowy who may have goth interests musically is trying to throw a very wide net so that none of her subs and followers feel alienated by their tastes because her perks depend on it. IBF creates tacky goth react and goth x/y videos because it's a trend piece, just like goth transformations, as if I can't imagine what they look like with "normal" clothes and makeup
So my consensus is that regular folk on the street or online are much more willing to be pliable with the label because they have nothing to gain by it, but online personalities have EVERYTHING to gain by diluting a label so much that it loses all its meaning, because the profits come from so many subcultures, genres and people
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>>371023In a recent IG post she's lightened up on the foundation and I think it looks so much nicer. Still pale like her skin naturally is, but less like a costume. Hopefully she'll stick with it.
No. 371258
>>371231I know its nitpicky af but her eyebrows pisses me off to no end, theyre just so freaking awful… whats the point of shaving off your eyebrows if you cannot draw them on better?? Those two black uneven blocks does nothing for her, I wish she would try to put in some more effort and take her time with it. In her GRWM videos it always looks like her eyebrows take her 4 seconds to do.
Sage for eyebrow rant.
No. 371264
>>371258I think they need to be closer together? In
>>371001 she starts drawing them nearly halfway across her eye.
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This is such a mess.
Between the crazy brows, shittily blended eyeshadow, disgusting nails and shameless product promo….it's so cringey.
Good to know that all that free KVD makeup went to a good home….
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>>371270>>371278Her makeup used to be much less severe–a similar style but much softer and it suited her so much better. This is from when she still lived in NZ.
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No. 371365
>>371188Using it as a keyword to find clothing you like is totally fine, certain keywords help you find things you will like but at least you learned that you shouldn't label yourself something you know you're not.
"Nah. I used to care a lot about being the ubergoth and being as dark and only black! and dressing very extra to visit an alternative store etc, and now I just don't give a damn."
No offense but people who do all that burn themselves out and may not stay in the subculture long if they let it consume them. And anyway, Goth is music-based so it really doesn't need to be that complicated for one into it. Even if you don't listen to the music all the time, if it's something you like despite not trying to the nines in Goth, it doesn't make you any less Goth. That's why I'm glad Angela Benedict hit the scene because her style is way more toned down compared to IBF & Drac Makens and she's a good example of having a more practical look and that it's not about the look in general anyway.
And I'm glad someone else notices just so many people will label themselves Goth just for the attention and don't have any interest in what the subculture is mainly about. If they were just saying "Gothic" or "Darkly Inclined" or simply "Alternative", I wouldn't really care all that much but they usually don't which just leads to lowkey frustration.
"So people like Snowy who may have goth interests musically is trying to throw a very wide net so that none of her subs and followers feel alienated by their tastes because her perks depend on it. IBF creates tacky goth react and goth x/y videos because it's a trend piece, just like goth transformations, as if I can't imagine what they look like with "normal" clothes and makeup"
Good observation and I agree with what you said. They just pander though I can't be too mad at IBF because at the very least, she exposes people to Goth music by playing it in her videos instead of royalty free Metal music which only causes more confusion of what actual Goth music is (seriously, that's one of the things I got so annoyed with during old Goth videos lol).
But any case, I'm glad that there are people like you who can realize the difference between an actual Goth and someone who is just using it for trending and popularity. And even if you're not Goth, it doesn't matter. It's just nice to see non-Goths know the difference is all.
No. 371377
>>371231I agree. Though I will admit I'm not really into loud colored Lipstick (Bright Pinks, Purples, Oranges, etc), it's nice to see her trying something a tad different and not going so harsh on the pale white foundation, she should do this more because it's a really nice look and the toning down of the intense foundation may help her skin recover.
>>371265Something that always bugged me is why does she make her inner eye liner taper so below leaving a bit of her flesh available. She should just fill it in lol I dunno, it's just something that always irked me when I looked at her.
>>371342Wow it's been so long since I've seen what IBF used to look before she met Matthias and moved to Germany. I agree, she used to look much better with those kinds of looks, a good blend of dark, ethereal, and sweet. I don't have anything against Trad Goth makeup but I've always been a fan of the more simpler makeup looks. This makeup style just really made for an overall more put together look.
>>371347I'm pretty sure that maybe Matthias had something to do with it. Not saying he forced her to change her makeup or anything but maybe because Freya was so in love with him, she thought she'd show it by taking some makeup cues from him and wanted to make it match him because Matthias' makeup is pretty intense and very Trad/Deathrock. It's the only possible reason I can think off
No. 371413
>>371347Because some people have this idea Germany is some kind of "goth kingdom" and she probably felt she had to up her game and stand out there. Also perhaps as she gained popularity/subscribers on YT the need to make her look more extreme increased.
>>371377I've seen other goths do that eyeliner thing, it just makes the eyes look bigger and gives a nicer shape
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Holy crap that acne
No. 371617
>>371462No they really aren't when you really look into Industrial. It's rooted in straight up electronic music for one and the overall sound didn't have any Goth music tendencies in it. The only thing that is somewhat shared is just the black clothing though Industrial was more aggressive and Military looking.
The only reason Industrial got thrown into Goth was from the mainstream when Nine Inch Nails hit popular acclaim in the early 90s and later on, Marilyn Manson.
A good channel to check out for Industrial is Amy Nekrotique as she's really into Industrial and is currently doing an Industrial 101 type thing explaining about the music and the different subgenres of it.
No. 371820
>>371793>>371617Wait people think goth and industrial is the same thing? I thought those two were two seperate entities. You can still be goth and listen to industrial though.
You're right though they do kinda slump everything together at events, I can see why people can get confused. You know what people see cybergoths and probably just tought that everyone must be goth on the industrial side as well. A theory, not a fact. (Old) Ravers got slumped in goth as well, I was like WTF that was back in the day (by people who didn't know the difference).
You know what
that I remember. You how emo is used for like anyone who is alternative by normies, well before emo everyone was a goth if you were alternative.
My friend called rivethead a goth once, they got the wtf you call me face. Lol.
(Sorry if its out of order dyslexic chan)
No. 371887
>>371820I mean, I'm a rivethead for life but it takes way too long to correct normies who automatically go for the goth label. Sometimes you have to keep the specifics for people who are actually in the scene and give a shit.
Metal though, no connection to the goth scene whatsoever and it's something normies would have actually heard of.
No. 371919
>>371905Most people aren't looking to be given a history of electronic music when they're talking about a pair of stompy boots. You can be 100% exact and make the situation awkward for everyone or you can just go about your day and know they're probably not going to see another rivethead again in their life anyways.
However, branding a rivethead instagram as goth would be different since you're talking to people you're assuming actually care.
No. 371974
>>371793Oh okay, yeah that would make a little more sense I guess.
>>371820Oh no, I know that both styles are very different. You have to listen to them closely to hear the difference. Industrial is way more electronic-based because that's where the music style originated from whereas Goth originated from the Punk scene and even the synth-based Goth genre Darkwave sounds nothing like Industrial.
>>371887Well sure I guess the "normies" thing is one thing but I dunno, I guess I juist get low key annoyed because while Goths are almost non-existent where I live, whenever I run into a darkly inclined person who looks Gothic, I get excited only to learn they don't know any Goth music and just listen to Industrial Metal like Rammstein & Marilyn Manson lol
>>371905Agreed with this. I think educating about this can be a good thing hence why I'm personally not afraid to explain the differences because it's really not that complicated.
>>371919No one is saying you have to give a random stranger the 100% lowdown of where Industrial came from. you can just boil it down to..
"Goth came from Punk"
"Industrial came from Electronic"
Nothing more really needs to be said assuming we're just speaking purely about the music.
No. 372171
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Interesting to see the difference between Ree's legs here and in her modelling shots. Also why is she even here? She's a darkly inclined metalhead for fucks sake
No. 372214
File: 1502705292292.jpg (17.34 KB, 536x70, meraluna.jpg)
>>372171Seems to me like a fashion show at m'era luna isn't exactly a strange place for a darkly inclined alt model metalhead to be.
No. 372545
>>372171Yeah I have to agree with
>>372214 that the M'era Luna festival doesn't seem like a "Goth" Goth event but more of a Dark Alternative place so Ree Ree would fit in in a place like that.
>>372236It's just very funny because Jake claims he's into fitness this and fitness that but he looks so dumpy and not trained at all. So in that case, him and Kaya are perfect for each other. Personally though, I really do feel that he may leave her when her popularity starts disintegrating when the next generic young Gothic / Mall-Goth girl comes out and takes the attention away from an aging TT. It sounds bad but this is why despite how try-hard I think Kaya is, she doesn't deserve someone like Jake and could do better.
No. 372567
>>372545No I agree, while im not a fan of kaya she so deserves someone better than jake and he looks like a fucking potato which is why i found it funny in previous threads anons were trying to say he was buff, muscular and defend his psysique.
I really dont know what goth girl would be desperate enough to date him, especially as, and dont tell jake, hes not goth
keksaged.
No. 372581
>>372567I don't think Kaya is a Goth, just alternative but yeah, agreed that it's very odd why an alternative gothic person would be desperate to date a guy like him who seems like such a wanker. Who knows? I'd hope he treats her better behind the cameras but since they vlog so much, it's kinda hard to get that feeling lol
If things don't work out between them, I hope that Kaya learns from it and picks a better guy.
No. 372664
File: 1502816211471.jpg (38.98 KB, 497x271, lashes.jpg)
Fake lashes on fleek
No. 372740
>>372664Looks like they're coming away at the corners of her eyes wtf
>>372682I know, right? I think she does sponsored hauls to get free shit then tosses it aside in a big pile
No. 372836
>>372664How can somebody take a photo of their makeup like this and think yeup, that looks fine enough for my instagram… jesus thats bad, I know eyelashes can be a pain to glue down in the inner corner but youd think youd at least have it down for a picture.
IBF seems like that person whos makeup looks like absolute shit before they put on huge eyelashes that kinda take away the focal points of the makeup and cover everything up… if your makeup looks like utter shit before you put eyelashes on, its probably just shit.
Sage for makeup rant
No. 372842
>>372836It's not just a tiny bit in the corner not staying put either, that's understandable and forgivable, but nearly half the damn lash is coming off her eye. No one in the comments seem to notice it, they just compliment her badly blended eyeshadow.
I really don't get how anyone can think she's good at makeup, it's like they're completely blind to even the most obvious detail.
No. 372939
File: 1502840992521.png (955.39 KB, 640x1136, IMG_0373.PNG)
Allison and Freyja
Freyja looks old next to Kaz tbh
No. 372949
>>372876It's so disgusting.
So many of them look like they smell really bad in person.
Like, they're making goths as a whole look bad and just reinforcing the stereotype that goths stink.
No. 373032
>>373024Allison is either in her late 20's or at the most just turned 30. Freyja is 30-32 I believe-
Make-up can age you, hence why I think IBF looks so much older than Allison in this pic. She probably has to chisel that shit off at the end of the night.
No. 373049
>>373024Allison is 11 months older than me actually, she was born somewhere in September of 1990.
Source: one of her Q&A videos
No. 373128
>>373024Whoa really?? I always assumed Kaz was born like in 1990-1992 bracket. If that's true then damn, she does look good for her age haha
>>373049Ah okay, I'm a year younger than her than lol Still, she does look quite nice, She's rocking the short bob-cut look as of late
>>373059Yeah I think she takes inspiration from the 90s and why not? The alternative scene during the time was pretty neat.
No. 373237
File: 1502880106334.jpg (33.57 KB, 550x181, manicure.jpg)
About time she finally did something about those ratchet ass nails.
No. 373607
So I don't keep up on Jake too much because hes a turd but he posted recently a video "I don't want to be here" and mentioned in the caption that visiting london reminded him that he hates where he lives.
I wonder what will happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WvRdCYfQ0kI didn't watch the video because i'm not giving the turd the view minutes, so if anyone wants to summarize anything relevant that'd be pretty cool of you.
No. 374016
>>374009You could ask this any tourist that are in their early 20's right now. Nothing new, really.
I'm only wondering if this little shock might be a wake up call for her. I mean, she's in her 40's (?), and not exactly fit to party like a teen.
No. 374236
>>374208Oh I'm sure she's his taste… For the moolah lol while people in the Goth community can see through her and don't pay attention to her, she does bring in the views and E-Fame from "normies", she's somewhat surpassing Kaya as well, I give her about another year before she passes her in terms of consistent viewership.
>>374009I guess some people just like to party their butts off but I do see what you mean, what's the point of going to a momentous place if you're not going to remember it? Then again, doesn't she go to the festival each year? IF that's the case, maybe it's not as momentous for her hence why she doesn't mind getting shit-faced drunk at it.
No. 374394
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With all the clothing she is sent…. despite her probably not reading the SIZE CHART she complains that the sizing is inconsistent and not only that wants another jacket in a bigger size to fit her. How about a giveaway you greedy bitch. Didn't even cross her mind. No wonder she wasn't asked to be in the sophie calendar. she doesn't give a shit about charity or even as an influencer giving anything back…. me me me me…. come to think of it i don't think she's every given anything away unless she was asked to promote it. so selfish!!!!
No. 374684
>>374308Whaaat? So was this a glitch or something?
>>374311lmao what hard work? recording the same shit in every vlog?
No. 375001
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Remember Dreeiabat and her transvestite boyfriend from a few threads ago, the ones who turned into neo-nazis? Here's a picture of him (3rd guy) guess where.
No. 375442
>>375381I never watched her boyfirend's channel (I didn't even know he had one lol) but I remember watching Dreiiabat quite consistently back in the day and she even responded to my comments a few times (and I'm not White).
She seemed like such a sweet and intrinsic person so I was very surprised to find out she actually harbored some white supremacist ideology though part of me thinks the only reason she's like that is because of her boyfriend. Could be wrong though.
No. 375510
>>375381Yep he was, I was actually on one of them and it was suuuuuuuper awkward.
I remember he wanted to talk about his political views during it whenever he could get the chance.
He also had a big schism with the people in charge of the YouTube Goth Community page and set up his own. I can't even remember why, I think he just wanted to be the leader.
Both his and Dreiaa's transformations have been so weird to witness.
No. 375600
>>375422>>375381>>375510I did a talk with him as well! I was tipsy and it was pretty damn awkward and lame since I wasn't prepared for it and he just rambled about bizarre shit. He did make a few off-colour (kek) comments including dropping the n-bomb. I was surprised but just kinda rolled with it. This was a couple of months before he started getting deeply involved with the nazi shit. He seemed weird but mostly harmless.
I talked to Dreiiabat occasionally and we did some video collaborations together. I feel like he and his nazi buddies are responsible for converting her, she seemed a lot more chill and normal than he was.
No. 375875
>>374485You can see her in this video at the fashion show. It's pretty shocking!
Also, check the guy at 15:12 The petfect "Killstar Kids" poster child. And a perfect illustration of what's been discussed after Angela's response video to Snowy.
No. 375967
>>375951Oh yes! Sorry :P
Priceless!!
No. 375989
>>375892I mean in the end, I don't think I'd judge her for her body because unlike Kaya, she never really complained about her weight but I guess the reason her body surprises people is because we normally only see her from the shoulders up and even in her vlog videos, she really only showed herself from the shoulders up.
I know for me that back before she showed her body more, I always pictured her with an hourglass figure because of how she her bust was the largest part on her so I never thought she was going to have a wide waist for some reason. Especially in her video where she went to the Zoo and she mentioned her weight loss journey and her body did look a tad smaller.
That aside, it's not that big a deal in my opinion because again, she doesn't really go on tirades complaining about her weight, at least that I'm aware of, I feel she just accepted it and I think it's better than complaining while not making an effort.
>>375940She certainly knows how to accessorize.
>>375951Yeah it was definitely 12:52 and yep, that is exactly what people like Angela were talking about lol
>>375968Well in your opinion, out of all the alternative/Gothic people, who do you think looks good?
No. 376005
>>375892I don't think she looks bad, and the corset and outfit clearly is tailored to fit her. I don't think its wrong to be plus size and into alternative fashion? I know most of it runs super small but as long as the clothes fit, why not???
Also Valentin von Porcelain is A++++ not on topic just sayin', he's handsome as heck. Standing next to him doesn't help anyone.
No. 377035
>>376606In the previous thread there was some drama involving TT, IBF and a girl named Renee, maybe some of you confused her with ReeRee?
>>377029Something was mentioned, but never clarified
No. 377089
>>375381yeah i thought he was cringey back when he did them, but a decent person, he wore poorly applied make up n put bows in his hair but seemed like he was trying to build an online goth community for the people with not many subscribers, he'd start discussions about community issues in comment sections, etc.
then he started doing anti-sjw videos, whatever, extreme sjws are annoying but they started to get further and further right, then he mentioned being kicked out of somewherebecause they discovered his 'political views', turns out he was running a proudly fascist/white supremiscist website (united right or something) deleted most of his goth videos and started making fascism ones, then deleted them
i watched the whole trainwreck
No. 377156
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No. 377159
>>377117>Like at 7.27 Kaya and Dre are hanging back while they talk. I mean they're getting closer but I wouldn't really think anything of Jake and Kaya being apart for a few minutes. I'm pretty conscious of not being glued to my boyfriend when we're in group situations.
Although I haven't seen anything to indicate that Kaya and Jake have a good relationship so far.
No. 377160
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Kaya looks like a beast next to Kelly. Why did she not even bother to do her hair if she knew every one was vlogging? Lazy TT
No. 377710
>>377159he seemed more into dre in his own vlogs but then again he used to seem like he flirted with vox aswell, he could just be a flirty person to be fair plus jake and kaya have been together for 7 years itd be a bit weird if she said no jake your not allowed to stand near our friends by yourself you must be beside me at all times
in their new sims video jake keeps saying how hot all the sims girls are its quite cringy
No. 378600
>>377156Ahahahaha and here I almost fell for some of her photoshop tricks recently.
>>377995>>378516I dunno if this other girl is gonna sleep with him or not but the fact he's trying so hard might make things kinda interesting with Kaya and him. I'm a bitch but I'm excited to see if it ends badly.
No. 380046
File: 1503742886786.png (586.93 KB, 849x598, Screen Shot 2017-08-26 at 11.1…)
Her makeup really is terrible! Plus with all the free stuff and gorgeous clothes she gets sent, why does she always wear the same boring cheap black top/dress? Make an effort BF with something that isnt just crappy makeup
No. 380154
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Is that supposed to be some kind of acid wash effect or what? It just makes the bag look dirty. Also what is with the "spooky GIRL" thing?
No. 380435
>>380371
>I'm so pale I need to use paint as foundationJesus fucking christ if you're right, anon.
Why do some goths do this weird "I'm so pale I can't find makeup" humblebrag? Lots of companies do a white foundation for mixing but you'd think they'd at least be aware of Manic Panic selling one.
No. 384663
File: 1505080662743.jpg (136.44 KB, 891x452, bb.jpg)
eek
No. 384993
>>384553What event is this supposed to be? He looks like the only guy there?
>>384663Whyyyyy wouldn't you fill in that eyeliner…..
No. 385175
>>384993He hates goths so hanging around with goth girls and complimenting a goth fashion show seems hypocritical.
I think it's supposed to give the illusion of having big eyes but people aren't blind it's just a line under your eyes not connected to anything.
No. 385521
>>385449Yeah I was about to say. ReeRee is just a Gothic/Darkly-Inclined person anyway so I doubt she'd care and besides that, a lot of these YouTubers don't want to lose subscribers by doing a call out so it's probably for the best.
And besides that, that event didn't look like a "Goth" event, just another Darkly-inclined / Alternative fashion event. I don't think these people (other than It'sBlackFriday) would go to a real Goth event because "Le elitists" and the music and whatnot.
No. 385547
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>>384663>>384993Goths who do this like to imitate Elvira as she was the original who did her makeup this way. Also judging buy Fridays plunging dresses, she seems to take huge inspiration from her.
No. 385560
>>385521Very true. It also brings up the fact Jake/Kaya complain about no other alternative people live in Belfast. I find this such a stupid statement, I live in a small town in the UK and we have a big alt scene, so a capital city having no other goths is laughable. Maybe if they went to gigs they'd see other people.
I bet when they see anyone in a Damned t-shirt or a Bauhaus pin they either despise them thinking they're an elitist or avoid them so they won't be caught out for being posers.
No. 385561
File: 1505242076394.jpg (102.98 KB, 736x736, ef2194b9c217315333668c2e182404…)
Freya looks so much better like this. It doesn't look so try hard. The best gothic look is when it looks natural like this is how you dress all the time, the costume look seems childish.
No. 385575
>>385573NI is in the UK and I see Alt people everyday.
They're just antisocial.
No. 385583
>>385575Uh technically, sure. But it's an entirely different country. Especially culturally. It's not comparible to anywhere in the UK imo.
I've lived there and I'll agree there isn't a big alt scene (or…literally anything at all) in Belfast but there are PLENTY of alt clothing shops and nights out (Club Hell, Dominion, Fibbers) in Dublin. If she's really that bored, she could move down south.
No. 385695
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>>385573>>385575"The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland".
No. 385723
>>326344>>385695What are you quoting? The UK consists of Great Britain (England, Wales, Scotland) AND Northern Ireland. There's no UK and Northern Ireland. There's just UK.
I live in Belfast and I have to agree with Kaya - there really isn't an alternative scene here. Like ten or fifteen years ago, maybe, but I barely see goth or even alternative people around anymore.
No. 385851
>>385547Ah okay, that makes more sense now. I never noticed Elvira's makeup style up close lol And heck, the first time I saw IBF, I got Elvira vibes from her to begin with so it all makes sense now haha.
>>385560Very good point. Yeah, I'm betting they just go to Metal concerts and obviously they're not going to see a lot of Goths there unlike if they went to an actual Goth club but yeah like I said, probably complain about "Elitist this" and "Elitist that" or how they felt singled out because they didn't like the music playing.
>>385561she looks more comfortable here, I agree. I do like her more theatrical looks but I just feel it'd be too tiring to do all the time and it's good have more sensible but "you" type looks and this is a nice one for that.
>>385723I'm American so I don't know much about the European places but surely there has to be at least one Goth club in the area? Or at least a club that has like Goth 80s Night or something like that?
No. 385933
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is she pregnant?
No. 385966
>>385933I really hope not.. I dont hate everything IBF does like some people on this board, but she is way too immature mentally to have a baby… but oh well, some people mature when they get some actual responsibility in their lifes
Sage for ranting over something not even confirmed
No. 386109
>>377160she's already so tall why does she wear those giant platform boots too?
she looks like the hulk.
if she walked towards me on the street I'd be scared tbh
No. 386112
>>380154this reminds me of when I would doodle on my schoolbag with tippex back when I was in school.
that Spooky Girl writing and font is shocking. can't believe she was okay with that to put it on all her merch
No. 386415
>>385851hey alternative person from belfast here!
we all used to hang out at city hall then wed go drink in car parks there is 100% no where big enough and alternative enough on a saturday, voodoo (alternative but small)
meltdown (only on a friday byob :/)
club hell (shit)
kaya and jake have said before that thy dont like to go out and party anyway and a big part of the alternative scene here is getting drunk under a bridge from the age of 13 with a 2 lit of strongbow or drink you nicked off your mam.
now adays most of us have houses so we drink there instead and we only gather for pride, paddys, flaegh, 12th ect only alt people at city hall anymore are 12 year old weeaboos
some one said in a previous thread kaya and jake apparently werent welcome on the goth scene here, but ive seen them interact plenty with them, and they have clearly had alt friends in belfast.
dont think its milk that their quite anti social, its just funny seeing them interact with super intense hot goth girls
(its 8 i havent slept yet sry for spelling)
No. 386501
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This is on pinterest tagged as Drac Makens but it can't be can it? It looks like her but it doesn't have the same face shape?
No. 386567
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>>386501she definitely plays up angles tho i feel like she may have also gained weight b/c her face didn't look as round/full in her old photos [pic related] the way it does now. also her actual skin tone is beautiful but insists on slathering it in white for some reason.
No. 386579
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>>386567same fag but here's a collage of caps from the sugarpill video that came out a week ago.
No. 386598
>>386579drac has really mastered the art of taking pictures and videos of herself from the exact angle she looks really good and slim from, if you see her in any video or picture she hasnt taken herself, she is very clearly pretty fat and dumpy looking. I know she is trying to eat healthier but she clearly needs more effort and trying to actually exercise alittle.
Although I do feel a bit bad about mocking drac because she isnt really a person who gives any milk, she mainly minds her own bussiness.
If being overweight is the only bad thing you can say about a person, that person is probably alright. Just lazy.
No. 386683
>>385561I've always thought freya was pretty. She's always been nice to my friends and i. But i agree, she looks so much better dressed like this. Idk, i think covering her cleavage makes her look slimmer?
>>386109I have a friend whos 6'3 and he wears platform boots. Its so intimidating.
>>386501>>386567Nah it's her. I've been following her since before her youtube/ig days when she was just on tumblr. I think she's definitely put on weight. Also i really miss when she did her makeup like this.
And she actually put up a pic of her bf a long time ago on tumblr. He looks tall, skinny, and had long hair iircc. It might still be there. It was probably circa 2012 - 2014.
No. 386766
>>380435>>380471White foundation CAN look absolutely GORGEOUS….but her skin is just not prepped for it. Has she ever mentioned what her skincare routine is like with all of that makeup? I think in her Matthias days she mentioned using just straight water (on the GREASEPAINT at the time) but don't quote me.
If she had a decent skincare routine with exfoliation, her makeup could look fantastic, especially if she learned to highlight the white (There's no way JS's highlighter wouldn't work for that). It could be beautiful even with her usual boring look, but she doesn't put in any effort. That's why she only does the same makeup all the time. It may be tedious to most people but since it's all she basically knows how to do besides tossing some color on her lid instead, it's really probably as hard as applying mascara..and still looks like shit up close (She isn't kidding about her shakey hands).
I want to love her but augh so many things make me mad to the point where the tiny shit like this makes me PISSED.
>>385547As someone who's at least better at makeup than BF is, I now want to give my hand at this makeup style now that I know the origin is Elvira (Loooove her. Hasn't aged a bit, but i haven't seen her on anything but RuPaul in years.)
>>385924She just posted yesterday about "getting back on track" and how the first few days are the hardest. No, Kaya, clearly it's every other day that's the hardest for you, or you wouldn't still be fat. Try exercising.
"It gets easier, but you have to do it every day. That's the hard part." -Bojack Horseman (the show, not the character)
>>385933She would've definitely have mentioned it. Oh my god you kidding me? Imagine it. Baby videos write themselves. She already basically makes videos about nothing but throwing in an easy taggable thing like "GOTH BABY" in the mix?
Shit I hope no one gets any ideas.
>>386598Considering how hard it is to find your angles in video for so many people, I think that's a skill to be commended and I hope if she were to read it she wouldn't take offense to it. If Nikkitutorials can go from looking like a potato to "Really good picture of Adele" levels of attractive, then why can't we applaud this?
also sorry for so many dumb replies. I've been sad, remembered this forum existed, and it lets me pretend to have mean friends I can gossip with. We've all been there, right?
>>386683This is how I imagine Freya's wardrobe choices go
>I just want to be comfortable today>But I need to take vlogs and selfies for youtube and instagram bleeech>I'll wear this, It looks like i'm trying but its not a pain to wear." >It's all black anyway, how many people will notice?In terms of why she looks better in the casual outfits, she tends to wear a lot of flowy shit and skirts, and while that can make a very obese person look slimmer, on someone more in the middle like BF it can make her look wider, and with the low necklines it just widens out her silhouette. I think she looks cute in the kinds of shirts that have no shoulder but have the rest of the shirt (Is there a name for these?) because it lets her show off some skin (contrasting all the black) without dragging her too much outwards. I used to have to help people dress themselves at a retail store like to surprising amount of detail sometimes.
She also cinches her waist a lot, which can be a good thing, but I think the belts she uses are just in the wrong place or are too wide, something about the belt makes her look wider too (Some outfits this happens on me, i'm around the same size as Freya. You can't cinche every single outfit unless you're really tiny usually.
Plus it gives her a more approachable look to me. Not to mention we all know BF is a massive attention whore who likes to stand out and get her picture taken. In t-shirts she almost passes for "averaged teenaged mallgoth" rather than "Walking goth disaster from the 80s". I mean i commend her on committing to the era she likes but I think she could pull off so many better hairstyles and silhouettes.
BF wear more t-shirts, it's youthful which you really kinda need if you're not gonna take care of your skin.
No. 387272
>>386598not sure if this is considered milk but she does come off with a poor attitude when talking to people on social media and yes, i understand she has issues or whatever but that's never an excuse, especially when you're putting yourself out there so publicly, like kissing up to makeup brands for free products but then telling people there won't be a review. uh, ok, no obligation there but maybe people want to know her opinion b/c she's built up a reputation as being an ~honest~ guru or whatever.
in that sugarpill video she got super pissy when talking about how she's seen other people using hot glue in makeup looks when i'm pretty sure she didn't invent it. like, it comes across as so childish akin to when people try to act like they own a certain style b/c they've been wearing it for 'x' amount of years.
also haven't been able to find a single review - good or bad - for her store, make of that what you will but since she's about to start offering jewelry, i'd want to know what other people think of her service, products, etc.
and this is just nit picking but she does support kvd, jefferey star and lime crime, all of whom have a list of shady receipts that turned off a lot of popular gurus from buying or using their products. so yea, not constant drama like the others in this thread but i feel she's one of those people to delete anything like that instead of dealing with it.
No. 387277
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I don't know if it's just me, but I'd be super embarrassed if I was seen walking around with Kaya looking like this. As much as I can't stick Jake, I can sort of see why he keeps such a distance from her in vlogs, almost like he doesn't want anyone to think he's associated with her.
No. 387311
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here is drac's boyfriend, if you scroll far into 2014 you can find one post of hers, and I'll post a screenshot of the post as well just in case you think it's just a photo with a random person
before anyone loses their shit, it's there on her tumblr public, she's clearly forgotten about it but hey, not my problem
No. 387312
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sageing for the screenshot
No. 387351
>>387277can't blame him. She looks ridiculous, why would you dress like that to the mall
>>387312Is he just a weird dude who doesn't want pics of himself or does she hide him from people bc he's not super goth?
No. 387368
>>387311>>387312lmaoo this is so funny, she made him out to be some sort of hot dreamy guy and he's… just a below average guy.
i like this makeup look tho
No. 387369
>>387368yeah she always talks about him like he's the hot shit, and she even used the word adonis unironically…
I mean if you love a person you think they are beautiful, nothing wrong with that, but damn girl, she really plays up the native american~ part of him with his "big, luscious lips" blegh makes me wanna barf
No. 387378
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>>386579holy shit, she looks like she's morphing into a cenobite. like her hell/body is becoming Spencer's Gifts gothic section toys and her own flesh
No. 387494
>>387387I think she purposefully reposts the same outfits over and over again until either:
A) Everyone gets sick of seeing it to the point they start buying her new clothes off of her extensive wishlist in the hopes she starts obsessively wearing something else for a change of pace.
Or
B) New viewers and followers think "Poor Kaya! She must have so little to wear!"
rinse & repeat wishlist buying No. 387521
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why is is so difficult to wipe the lipstick off her piercing jewelry?
No. 387572
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>>387378accurate kek
would like to know who paid $35 for this. a few people on ig said it looked like a nipple and of course she got super defensive that it wasn't, to the point she put in the item description that it wasn't. she does this all the time and has been confirmed for deleting comments/questions/opinions that are genuinely curious or whatever b/c she can't take any criticism that isn't kissing her ass.
and it's not a big deal b/c she can do what she wants, but does anyone else remember how against she was selling her art b/c it was ~sew personal~ etc but i guess that doesn't matter when she can use the money to fund a trip to salem with her boyfriend.
No. 387705
>>387572Aside from the fact that it looks like a bleeding anus, it's just incredibly ugly. Who would actually want to wear something like this?
Saying it looks like a nipple is actually a compliment.
No. 387872
>>385723I'm just quoting the official title, it's not just the "UK" alone though it is mostly shortened as such.
I had nothing else to post alongside the pic so I just threw it in there.
No. 387880
>>380435The problem is that some of us can't find the right shade. Having to mix everything every morning for about 20 minutes just to get it right is a pain. Consistency in the white foundation is also a crappy guess-work job if there's no testers for Stargazer or Illamasqua etc
So, without trying to sound snowflakey, it's just a nuisance more than anything
I'm no ghost face delinquent either
>>385933That's a very awkward place to gain fat if I say so myself. At that weight I'd expect the rest of her to bloat out with her belly
Looks like a pregnancy though honestly
>>386579No one took her for a stunner, but wow that's rough
I know she is trying to eat more healthily though but with all the vegan junk food she eats aside from her more healthier vegan dinners, I am totally not surprised she has that double chin and it's having a dumpling baby
>>387521Because she's lazy and cutting corners on baby wipes
No. 388102
>>387205Because diets are BS most of the time. Even if she did succeed, the minute she stops it and goes back to her old eating habits, she's going to pile the weight back on, maybe even 5x more.
She really just needs to try to be a bit more active with exercise. Burn off the calories with some routine exercise. It doesn't even have to be every day (I hate when people say this). If you can pick 2 days, 3 days tops to do at least 30-40 minutes of exercise, it can go quite a way if you stick with it.
>>387311Hm I didn't expect him to wear glasses haha. I mean, it's not bad, just surprising. I also picture him having a beard for some reason lol
No. 388145
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>>387311That's the infamous "hot" native american boyfriend? I'm choking. She made him out to be like [pic related]. I guess some things are better stayed a mystery.
No. 388151
>>387272She doesn't support Jeffree Star at all, she is such a major kvd suckup and because Kat doesn't like Jeffree anymore, neither does Drac. I dont think she actually cares about any of Jeffrees drama, but because leader Kat says he is bad, Drac follows.
Not saying I like Jeffree star at all, Im just saying Drac blindly follows all of Kvds opinions like its the fucking bible.
And yeah Drac can be a special snowflake about her looks, where she will say "oh I started doing this and people said omg that looks bad, but now everyone is doing it and thinks it looks cool, oooooh weeeeell
eyeroll" which is definitely annoying.. I mean wtf does drac do that is in any way 100% original? People need to understand makeup isn't ever going to be 110% original-never-done-before, everything is inspired by something.
I really don't see anything original about her in any way, shes a kvd clone and a gorey goth.
I don't hate Drac, I think she is actually super talented at makeup, but everyone becomes annoying when they try to be a special snowflake.
sage for ranting
No. 388154
>>387579agreed, that's why it's just personally funny to me b/c she was so against it and then it's like she realized that she can use her fans to fund things she wants. like, a lot of people have jobs to pay for trips etc but it's whatever.
>>388145while i get that people see their partners in a certain way, she talked up the ~hot~ factor that you'd think there'd be just a little truth it it lol.
>>388151she used to but i realized after i made the post that she stopped using his products, and you're right, it's b/c of kat. the monster makeup series and the one where she used neutral tones for alt looks were actually good but she hasn't done anything like that in a while.
No. 388618
>>388537I do think drac is talented at makeup, I think she is very skilled and I also enjoy (most) of her art.
However I do get the impression she lives in that one household you visited as a kid when you went to play with a classmate, that was just super disgusting. Fat lazy parents who never really cleans and calls picking up dirty laundry and throwing out 3 month old milk cartons for "big house cleaning day."
Drac says she wants to move in with her bf in an appartment on their own, and until then she keeps tons of her stuff in boxes in her room… I think she is right now just using the move as an excuse to why her room is so gross.
No. 389285
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Couldn't be more subtle about your blatant begging Kaya, no?
No. 389286
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Guess her Insta is now her secondary Amazon wishlist.
No. 389452
>>389286This is the kind of shit everyone in my "alternative" (read: edgy weeb) friend group wanted to wear when we were 14 and like totally goth and cooler than you.
Grown ass adults shouldn't be wearing tacky shit like this.
No. 389920
>>388479oh yea, no compliments on anything 'normal' ever even tho she started out doing drawn on arched brows. it's like when she was doing the football lips and that was her thing and fuck anyone that didn't like it, but then she stopped doing it.
>>389788the front is a mess to me b/c she's got short bits and then the face framing parts, and she only does the over teased style. i think it'd look nice if she did braids, curls or some sort of up-do with some accessories for variety.
No. 390856
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>>390761>>390808Kelsey looks like a human sloth.
Also this kind of makeup doesn't work in real life, it's only good for instagram photos. In real life you just look like a doofus.
No. 390893
>>390856Aw i really like kelsey, she seems really sweet and whilst shes not like super pretty or anything imo she a very striking/unique face. Her lip makeup always does like pretty silly tho.
As for what anon said, drac could never be in the artist collective or whatever, shes not a professional with industry experience.
No. 391565
>>391479Like ibf taking money for her wedding then using it to travel where she met a different man to marry
You can't even give constructive criticism to either let alone bring up dodgy stuff like this because their fans are so up their ass
No. 391671
>>390761>>390808i agree anon I think op is just salty for some reason.
None of it is really my style but I think they all look fine since I doubt any of them wear that shit in public if it's not for a video anyway.
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No. 392411
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No. 392445
>>326344>>392220>>392220I'm not really into many vlog videos and while I can't say I was a Ree Ree fan personally, I give her mad props for moving away from the constant fashion/haul/makeup stuff and I think this is a good move for her. Even her music Mondays, as much as I can't stand metal music that much, at least she was talking about something else for a change.
>>392400Not trying to be rude but just being honest. I feel that she is obese, like genuinely by BMI standards. Yeah yeah, you can't just assume one is of obese by body alone without looking at a scale but I mean let's be real here, she used to look like this
>>364256 >>389285
The only reason once can't be certain of how her body actually looks is because she's always wearing long, draped clothing that hide her shape but I am convinced she is near obese standards because going off that picture, she looks to have just an overall round shape.
No. 392948
>>392878no overnight like 800 videos were demonitized, like they went through maybe a week ago, the icons stared months ago but after the whole sims porn youtube hit them
>>392806in the past month theres been 7 videos and only 2 of them were unboxings, the rest were vlogs, updates, reviews and fan mail
>>392818 she said people were saying they wanted more than just unboxings and hauls, so she is trying to spread them out and put more content between them
im not even defending her these are just the facts if you pay attention,
the gym means nothing if she doesnt fix her eating habits
i dont understand why she thinks a diet will work she just needs to eat healthy planned meals, diet implies it will end but she needs to just stay healthy
No. 392973
>>392878She's definitely lying. The Adpocalypse only affected users with controversial content. Her content is anything but that. She's just probably seeing that her views are going down and gee, I wonder why? /s
The bulk of her content is just unboxing videos and I'm sure that some of her fans are getting a little tired of them so they're not tuning in as much right away like they may have in the beginning.
>>392948Because she always looks for the fast shortcuts but when it comes to weightless, there are no long lasting shortcuts and diets are pointless. If she just learned healthy portion control, it would make all the difference, I guarantee it. And she also has to be patient, weight loss can take awhile for some people and especially at the size she is, it's not going to fall off in a month or two. She just has to stay consistent and she'll see some improvement.
No. 393003
>>392973her unboxings are her most viewed videos lately…
fanmail 8.6k
chatty update 7.8k
moon box 14k
vlog 16k
spooky box 22k
shoe review 12k
lush review 12k
No. 393161
>>393100Then they need to either change the way they do content or shut up and get a real job if they're that adverse to not changing their material to be advertiser friendly. Most of the channels who got hit by it are either adapting or just relying on Patreon but even then, most of these content creators create worthwhile content hence why their Patreons are so successful and they don't need to change.
TT offers nothing new. From what I've seen of her Patreon, she does make some money but it's obviously not enough if she's bitching about this. Well then make good, worthwhile content and maybe you'll get more support.
No. 393399
>>393233wrong reply
who tf you on about
No. 393500
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snort Looks like Kaya's weight loss is going well right off the bat.
No. 393542
>>392878Oh my, the comment section of that video.
>"MAKE SURE YOU TURN YOUR ADBLOCKS OFF WHEN YOU VISIT YOUTUBE."Lol, no, fuck you. Get a job.
No. 394065
>>393901>#skinny #thinspo #thinlol
I actually once asked her why she's tagging all her stuff as thinspo, she blocked me lol
No. 394457
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Dracs been lurking and shes pretty pissed off at being 'called out' for her creepy kat obsession
No. 394822
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I think it's a bit ridiculous that she's going to complain about videos being demonitized but then has the nerve to say that a video about a class action lawsuit was too long and boring for her to watch. Is she even aware of how that sounds? Especially considering the content she makes? She's becoming more and more insufferable.
No. 394848
>>394457>(and even forums)surejan.gif
I'm kind of on the fence about Drac. She seems nice enough in her videos, but in person she gets real snooty if you don't immediately recognize her.
Plus she writes walls of text like this if anyone dates to criticize her. If you're going to be a public figure, people are going to find things to pick at. You signed up for this shit when you put yourself out there.
No. 394852
>>394848I don't follow Drac really. I watched a few of her videos but she tends to make makeup videos and I just don't like watching them for some reason but yeah, she does seem nice in videos.
But if this is true, she really needs to just to learn that sometimes people will criticize you for something. I mean even IBF tends to handle criticism a little better.
No. 395354
>>395201what she literally said is
'im not really up to date on everything thats happening, i dont really watch the news, im quite ignorant to all of that, but i just know that stuff is going down with north korea and theyre firing missiles all over the show. a lot of my frineds live in japan and thats been really scary because north koreas been shooting missles over japan and im always worried for my friends and like i said i dont know much about it and i could be completely wrong but ive been told by other people if something does go down with north korea it is very likely they hit south korea for whatever reason, they dont like each other. and right now the situation with that is really tense so as you can imagine im not super keen to head on over to south korea right now.
ive been told for some reason after october it should be safer i dont know why, but yeah so right now im a little to afraid to go ahead and book that but it should be happening, im going to wait til im back from la and see what the state of the world is at that point and re arrange it so its not happening yet'
where does she say tensions between usa and NK? get your shit right
she admitted she hasnt been up to date on it and she said she could be wrong but she didnt really get anything wrong.
smh anon youre bad at this
No. 395398
>>394960Is there a difference? (no sarcasm genuine question)
>>395198Indeed, given what he was very open about why are people surprised or act like hes some sort of saint?! Anyway see below
>>395363>FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWSkek are you a trumptard? However here are some links for those things, there is more that hes done but as this is not related really to the topic of this thread i dont want to get banned for a derailing. There is more out there, google is your friend:
" The original picture, for which Shields was paid $450, was taken by fashion photographer Garry Gross in 1975 for a Playboy publication titled Sugar and Spice. It was one of a dozen images of Shields designed, according to Gross, to reveal the not-so-latent sexuality of the prepubescent child."
"It shows a 10-year-old Shields, oiled and glistening, naked and made-up, posing in a marble bathtub with a seductive danger that belies her years. She has, in Prince's description, "a body with two different sexes, maybe more, and a head that looks like it's got a different birthday."
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2009/oct/03/brooke-shields-nude-child-photographAs an adult shields took them to court to try and get the photos back, she lost the case.
Another case: playboy buying pictures of a naked girl between the ages of 4-11 yr old (although not the only publication)
"She is the youngest model ever to appear in a Playboy nude pictorial, since she was featured at age 11 in the October 1976 issue of the Italian edition of the magazine in a set by Bourboulon.
http://fashion.telegraph.co.uk/news-features/TMG9757807/Child-Playboy-star-Eva-Ionesco-sues-her-photographer-mother-over-stolen-childhood.htmlRelated but not the same, Playboy promoting pedophilia:
http://www.renegadetribune.com/flashback-1978-playboy-promotes-pedophilia/Further details on the book and the pedo behind it who produced child porn:
http://theothermccain.com/about/2002-lawrence-stanley-arrested/(I didnt say he produced beastiality, but he was very much into it)
"Worse, early in her porn career, Traynor threatened to kill her if she didn't have sex with a dog on camera, so she did. Later, he also attempted to make her have sex with a dog in front of Hugh Hefner, as allegedly this was a fetish of Hefner's, but by then she had learned how to subtly scare the dog off."
"- “Then Hefner said that while he liked “Deep Throat”, he was more interested by the movie [which she was forced into by her abusive husband] I’d made with a dog.”
“Oh, you saw that one?” Chuck [her batterer husband] said.
“Oh that was terrific,” Hefner said, “You know, we’ve tried that several times, tried to get a girl and a dog together, but it has never worked out.”
“Yeah, that can be very tricky,” Chuck said, “The chick’s got to know what she’s doing.”
“That’s something I’d like to see,” Hefner said, “I think I’ve seen every animal flick ever made but–”
Then Chuck offers Linda as a “willing” participant. (Ordeal by Linda Lovelace)"
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Linda-Lovelace-Real-Story-31094586http://arlindo-correia.com/linda_lovelace_1.htmlSaged for off topic
No. 395802
>>395783nah just hella sick of children jumping on these threads not knowing what theyre talking about just spewing shit instead of producing real milk saying something that was never said and just plain lying lol
hate them for being rude, being overdramatic, being whinny cunts not cause you dont know how to listen
sage for children
No. 396486
>>396149How was that a mess? She was pretty much on the mark that yes, there is a difference between a Goth & Gothic person. Goth, a fan of Goth music and Gothic (or Gothic-inclined) people who merely just like the dark aesthetic.
Her video was kind of like a further explanation that Angela Benedict talked about in her answer to the question where she briefly mentioned the difference between Goth & Gothic/Darkly Inclined.
No. 396614
>>396149this makes me want to get something off my chest. I've always been goth, but was a teenager in the early 2000s, so goth was Combichrist, the birthday massacre, KMFDM, Emilie autumn, London after midnight, etc, that's the kind of stuff I like. And i can't stand traditional goth music because i hate the vocals and how the guitars sound. I do like some bands like Ex voto, the cure, the wake, faith and the muse. but I can't help but think all the posturing around traditional goth rock and nothing else being goth is people putting on an act and seems super disingenuous. people in this thread even nitpicking and splitting hairs that darkwave isn't goth and you're not goth if you listen to darkwave or industrial. I'm just kind of tired where that's where we are at as a scene, it's reductive and all the YouTube goths talk about. this is why goth is dead because it won't evolve
thanks for reading my blog
No. 396792
>>396704I dropped the label because of the 'Goth Police'. Everyone is saying that if you scream elitism, you're a poser. What garbage. Nobody is letting the subculture evolve.
I just say I'm 'alternative'.
No. 396849
>>395768Wow she has no idea how to style herself. Most of those look horrible on her, she seemed to buy stuff because it was red not because it looked good. KVD wears stuff that is like what she had in black but red so it’s similar and blends in with her style. This is just sad.
If you are chunky make sure you wear shape wear and avoid the big tent stuff that makes you look huge.
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I've just seen TT's Autumn OOTD video, it's so cringe, what's that style supposed to be? At least she's doing something other than unboxings though.
No. 397422
>>396614Other than London After Midnight, the rest of the bands you listed are not Goth music. Combichrist and KMFDM are Industrial, always have been. Emilie Autumn mixes Dark Cabaret & Industrial, she was never a "Goth" musician. The Birthday Massacre were a mix of Synth & Industrial.
I'm just being real here and FYI, it's okay if you don't like the 80s Goth bands. The fact that you mentioned London After Midnight, Faith and the Muse, and the Wake shows that you actually do like some Goth music because 90s Goth rock is just as loved as the 80s stuff. My only pet peeve is when people push Industrial bands as Goth when they aren't Goth.
Darkwave is a Goth sound style. It blended Gothic rock with synth so whoever is saying that Darkwave isn't a Goth substyle either is getting Darkwave and Industrial mixed up or they just don't know much about Darkwave.
And I'm sorry but if I run into a "Goth" and they say they don't like Goth music but like Industrial, they aren't a Goth to me, they're a Rivethead. I could go on and on but I kind of already know what you're going to say so I'm not going to bother just to save both of our time.
>>396792Oh yes because saying that you should at least like the music that the subculture is centered around totally makes one an elitist asshole. /s
>>397085I'm not sure what that look is but when I saw it, I just thought school girl maybe?
But yes, at least she's doing something other than a crappy unboxing video. And I can see she took influence from the way Black Friday did her recent OOTD video. So I'll give her that.
No. 398256
>>397085OMG those socks over the stockings are so gross!
she looks like a telly tubby. chunky monkey kaya.
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kek I like how kaya and jake blame the other for mess in the room
No. 398436
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GUYS ANOTHER TRANSFORMATION VIDEO WOW -_-
No. 398481
>>398436How original, a blonde girl holding starbucks like omg so funny normal regular girls are stupid and im special!
How many of the same video can one person make! Sage for acting like alittle bitch.
No. 398672
>>326344>>398256Yeah I've never been a fan of those kinds of tights, they just look so… I'm not sure but with this look here, it's just a total clash-fuck. I think that those socks would be better paired with simple black opaque or sheer stockings/tights.
>>398426She probably should hold off on buying more stuff as it's clear she's not going to have much room for it for much longer since they are sharing a space lol.
>>398438I was going to say Kylie Jenner but she already did that. It definitely looks more "basic bitch".
>>398623I agree, it's good to see her in better spirits and more positive after what she went through.
No. 398904
I was thinking about what
>>396839said and I agree with her especially about americans being the ones splitting hairs over what is and isn't goth and how you look at European goth festivals where actual goths who go (instead of not leaving their house arguing on the internet what is and isn't goth) and they're all different kinds of music. goths listen to a whole bunch of different kinds of dark, goth inspired music besides goth rock. and this darkly inclined thing is the most retarded thing I ever heard
>>398833I'm not them but what do you mean?
No. 399105
>>398904You have your opinion, I have mine and in my opinion, all those other "dark" music styles like Black Metal, Gothic Metal, Symphonic Metal, & Industrial/Industrial Metal are not Goth music styles, they didn't come from it, they never did. Am I saying that Goths can't listen to any other music besides Goth Rock, Darkwave, Coldwave, Ethereal Wave, or Deathrock? No. But what I am getting tired of is seeing styles like the aforementioned above be pushed into the Goth music substyle when they weren't in any way related at all and I will speak out if I see it.
If you don't agree, that's your own opinion that you're entitled to just like how I'm entitled to my own. In my opinion, there really is a difference between Goth & Gothic and I already explained it way up above. And with that note, I'm done talking about it.
>>398939I suppose. I guess I just prefer to be surprised lol Like if she used a shadowed-out silhouette with a question mark on it, I feel that could drum up some curiosity as well. But at the end of the day, it's her channel and she should do what she likes.
>>399049Pastel Goth isn't a Goth style in the sense that it didn't come from Goth. It really just came from Japanese Harajuku Street fashion. It received popularity by some Japanese fashion blogger on Tumblr back around 2009-2010 and blew up in popularity.
I don't think Toxic Tears is a Goth to begin with but I will say that if a Goth wears Pastel Goth fashion, it doesn't make the fashion itself a Goth style.
>>399097I remember in a few of her old videos when she had longer hair where in a Q&A, she mentioned she didn't have a big appetite back then but that she also liked to look skinny hence why she probably took measures to keep in smaller shape.
But then she started getting sick and had to take some medication and the medication had a weight gain side-effect or something like that. Even she was aware of it and she would make comments about how she didn't like how she looked with the added on weight.
Looking at her myself, I don't think she was a particularly athletic-minded person in the sense that she went to the gym routinely and probably relied on smaller portions of foods to keep her slim-trim body but a combination of age and the medicine paired with a more sedentary lifestyle probably contributed on the significant weight gain.
No. 399143
>>399049so liking another colour doesnt make you ungoth (if youre goth in the first place)
tt has said before, it is just creepy cute with a different name. while saying youre a pastel goth doesnt mean youre not a goth (by this threads standards its just if you like goth music)
so you can wear all white and be a goth and thats a bright ass colour.
drac and ibf like red, dre likes green and tt likes pink, just so happens pink has been adapted by other 'subcultures'
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>>399105Lmao yup pastel goth takes influence from japanese trends which TT says this outfit is based on. I know pastel goth is kind of a meme at this point in the community but kaya is not even goth anyway so she dosnet have any right to complain if someone called her outfit pastel goth, its just a clothinng style and she treats goth like just clothes anyway. She just wants to be seen as the most goth goth that ever lived i guessed. More like the tackiest
Also those pink shaved sides…
No. 399279
>>399143For the most part yes, the music was always the main thing, fashion was secondary. And yeah, if a person liked goth music despite not wearing all black, black, and more black, they are still Goth.
The reason why a lot of us don't consider TT "goth" is because she has even admitted she doesn't like the music. And when she pathetically tried to justify why she didn't talk about the music in one of her vlogs she did last year, it made it even more laughable.
>>399154Yeah I know, that's why I rolled my eyes at her comment lol. I just don't take her seriously when she mentions "goth this" and "goth that".
I didn't notice the pink sides, yeesh…
>>399210I will agree, her makeup going from this shot doesn't look all that bad.
No. 399344
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Just thought this was so hilarious. 'We don't do anything because it looks cool' - I hope Freya pays attention to that… but probably not. Her responses being ohhhh, ahhh …. eeewwwww…. this interview was way over her head. But thanks anyway. Motto? NO. You idiot.
No. 399396
>>396839>>398904Seriously though, the only ones I ever hear about it are Americans.
In my country splitting Goth and Gothic isn't even really a thing, because Goth is just short for Gothic.
Unfortunately, I don't have a large social media reach, but otherwise I would have made a questionnaire to see what people outside the USA think.
No. 399400
>>399105"Black Metal, Gothic Metal, Symphonic Metal, & Industrial/Industrial Metal are not Goth music styles, they didn't come from it, they never did."
Gothic Metal did come from both Gothic Rock and Doom metal. It's literally a fusion.
If you try to make a point, at least get your facts straight.
No. 399464
>>398623Well, I don't want to come across as an asshole, but to me, she doesn't look very healthy. She mentioned that she doesn't really know why she keeps gaining weight - she's undergoing some tests where they're trying to determine if her thyroid is possibly fucked up. She also mentioned having seizures and being sick constantly. Also, anyone else has noticed that the way she's speaking now is kind of strange? Much less energetic and vibrant than it used to be. Maybe it's because she's not used to making videos anymore, so she may be shy, but I don't know… I don't get good or healthy vibes from it.
Also, she's back with her trans girlfriend who supposedly poisoned her :/
No. 399542
>>399400I won't deny that in the mid 90s, Gothic metal was a legitimate blending of Gothic Rock and Doom Metal but after that? Hell no. Paradise Lost, Type O Negative, Tiamat, the first album of Within Temptation, The "Aegis" album of Theatre of Tragedy, Samhain, and Dreadful Shadows when they experimented with Gothic rock meets heavy metal? Sure, I don't deny that fact but after the early 00s? No.
I see people trying to push bands like Nightwish, Epica, Lacuna Coil, Cradle of Filth, Xandria, Delain, and any of other run of the metal Symphonic Metal or black metal band in to the Gothic Metal category to push that they are branched out of Goth Rock when that is further from the truth and the only reason these people say that is just based on the way the band members look, especially with Symphonic metal with the whole "Oh boy, a girl who happens to wear dark makeup and a corset? Goth band right there!" That's the crap I'm talking about.
Gothic Metal may have started as a genuine mesh of Goth rock and Metal but at one point, lost it's way due to all the mislabeling of bands that came much later on and that's why I don't bother with it.
>>399414She probably did it so she can complain about it in a "see what I have to do deal with" kind of thing or something pathetic like that. If you're going to film an OOTD and not get heckled or interrupted, you shouldn't be doing it in a very public area.
>>399464Yeah part of me thinks that she isn't being totally honest with herself on the weight gain. She leads a sedentary lifestyle for one. At the very least, she knows she's gaining weight but can medicine really make you gain an incredible amount of weight alone? Or could it also be a number of reasons from not being so active to not realizing you're eating a lot more than you used to or even age since well, she is in her 30s now.
And get out? I hope you're just saying a rumor because if she really got back with that psycho, I'll have lost a little more respect for her lol.
>>399505Yes she did. She said in an older vlog she posted in either late 2015 or 2016 (It was before she had her home moving problems). She said that she didn't like the sound of traditional Goth music and that she preferred things like 90s pop. And then after that, she doubled down and changed it to "I don't like talking about Goth music" because dur dur elitists and blah blah. Yet if she were really being honest, she'd talk about it anyway because if she actually listed actual Goth bands, it wouldn't matter what an "elitist" thought.
And I'm not just saying it had to be 80s Goth neither because there was Goth music being made well after and some even better than the predecessors (subjective of course) but TT doesn't strike me as someone who actually digs into the stuff and will only go with whatever is trending while her boyfriend complains about the Goth subculture altogether because they say he isn't a Goth because he doesn't like the music and only likes Metal. And I'm willing to bet that if TT didn't have the following she had, she would've dropped the Gothic thing and moved into Kawaii altogether with her friend PeachyMilk.
No. 399922
>>399884Hold the phone, "she made it up" as in she was pretending that this Phryne was poisoning her??
If that's really the case, that is just low lol
No. 399928
>>399542Regarding Ofherbsandaltars and her girlfriend - unfortunately, it's not a rumor (well, I'm not sure they are together as lovers, but they're "hanging out", whatever that means, which is still "eh" when you consider she said this person poisoned her). Attaching the video where she mentions it.
Around 10:12 - she mentions the incident with Phryne (says she "was wrong about her", that "Phryne has forgiven her" and "came to hang out"). Also says that she kept getting sick after the supposed poisoning (so the poisoning accusation was false) - but it's strange that in her now deleted video, she said that she actually hasn't been sick in that way after she had gotten rid of Phryne - so she lied in that video? I don't get it. Why make a 30-minute video where you're lying about getting poisoned by a particular person? Especially when you're supposed to be mentally better at that point? Her argument "I thought if I pushed them away, it would make me feel better" does somehow make sense, but why also make a video and publicly taint this person's reputation then? Why not keep this all private? Something is weird about that explanation.
It makes me take all her stories with a grain of salt now, to be honest. Either she likes to lie/exaggerate or she's being manipulated.
Additionally, what bothers me is that she's supposedly so sick and allergic to almost all food types, but keeps drinking booze and mentioning it in every other video. So, you're allergic to food colouring, but whiskey's perfectly OK? What a strange sickness that must be, when I consider how toxic to organism alcohol is. Also, could the drinking be the possible cause (or one of the causes) of her weight gain, maybe, hm? I think she started gaining weight at the same time she started drinking more.
18:00 - mentions her buying "sandwich and wine" and that she "probably shouldn't be drinking". No shit, if you've been having such serious health issues (seizures and such), you probably shouldn't be, Sherlock.
Btw. 32:26 - she mentions "Phryne woke her up in the middle of the night for tea", so she's also staying overnight. So there's high probability that they're fucking again, eh.
No. 400021
>>399928Thanks for the post and time stamps. Yeah she didn't outright say she lied but it is strange she'd make such a long video on this. Then again she usually "waffles" about in most of Vlogs so there's that.
But yeah I'm most likely going to take things with a grain of salt as well.
>>399941I totally remember the video because I commented on it. I was genuinely worried about her and was disgusted (at the time) that someone could do such a thing. It was a long comment too… Sucks that this kind of things happen, makes me feel the need to save Vlog videos for future references.
>>399973You know I'm starting to think that may be true. I know that the human body is a complex thing but it's just so odd that she claims to be allergic to practically everything. If that's the case, how does one fucking live then? It just seems that she may be blowing things out of proportion when it comes to her illness. And since she claimed back then that she liked being skinny to the point of looking anorexic, it only makes comments like yours make sense as it sounds like she would've done anything to keep her ideal body and could've made this up to keep at bay the accusations of being anorexic.
No. 400210
>>400021Regarding her anorexia - what is weird is that I don't think she has problems talking about her eating disorders, at least on video (she did that several times in the past and was quite open about her issues). But she may have problems talking about them with her family maybe? So is that a reason she would make up her illnesses?
I remember she mentioned that her extreme allergies started after "consuming a certain product", she even announced that she'd make a more in-depth video about this, but she never did. So it's a mystery.
But yeah, I think there's quite a possibility that she's addicted to being ill. Or maybe she developed extreme anxiety around food, that's why "everything makes her sick". Some of her "allergy symptoms" sounded like anxiety to me, e.g. rapid heartbeat (which she treated by taking beta blockers) is a symptom of anxiety.
No. 400400
>>399542"but after the early 00s? No."
Uhmmm yes, there are still a lot of bands and some of the bands you named still have or had the influence after the 00's. It's oke if you don't bother with those bands, you don't have to like the music and be into it for the sake of it.
But don't speak about it like you know your stuff.
You're talking about every girl with a corset in a metal band getting called Gothic metal, but you clearly have a 'oh boy, a girl who happens to wear dark makeup and a corset? Must be a fake Gothic metal band' mentality going.
No. 400435
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kek i wonder if those farmers who were insisting that jake is "fit" still stand by that. The guys is morphing into a breeze block.
saged
No. 400809
>>400435Meh, he used to be somewhat fit, but instead of cutting and working on definition he piled on the fat.
>>400641Soon it'll fuse with his chin and he'll end up looking like a thumb
No. 400878
>>399105Genrefags are fucking stupid. That being said, i doubt half the people on this thread know what industrial is and not just post-industrial subgenres. I hate aggrotech. I'm glad cybergoth is dead.
>>400782The fuck are you on about? There's like 3 goth clubs that play post-punk, deathrock, horror punk, and shitty cybergoth garbage within an hour from my house.
No. 400892
>>400878That's great for you anon but the scenes are watering down where I live too
I live in one of the biggest UK cities and we recently lost one of the three regular rock clubs (the only catering to older metal/rock) and the two that remain literally just play pop dance music most of the night interspersed with classic rock or popular Kerrang chart toppers. We have one industrial/edm/etc night a month where the oldschool cybergoths go.
Something similar happened in a neighboring city too where they lost their main alt night and now have a sort of hybrid pop rock night
Things are diversifying so non-goths are more open to going to alt-flavoured nights in order to match their grunge clothes from H&M, and the younger crowd are listening to lots of eclectic and softer styles (21 pilots etc) so the venues have to scramble to be more accessible.
I'm not saying goth is dead, but there's less contrast
No. 401384
>>400892So DJ your own goth night instead of bitching about it. It's not hard to convince a bar to let you host a goth night once or twice a month if you bring in the numbers. Start a band, promote the local goth scene, make a fb group. I get annoyed when people talk about their scene being shit or dying and do nothing to improve it. I doubt my american mid-west state has a better scene than a large uk city.
All DJing take is some practice. If i could do it piss drunk and coked out of my mind, anyone can.
No. 402435
>>399928I have a feeling the partner poisoning her story is true but she secretly just forgave the partner out of lonliness/wanting someone who cares about her back, and then made up "oh it wasnt her poisoning me after all" to explain it. Like she had some story about how her partner came over, and she had a salad where she'd dried off the leaves, and when she came back after the partner had left the room, the salad was wet with some chemical (people speculated ear cleaner i think).
The other lies just seem like typical longtime disordered eating ones, I'm allergic to x y z foods so I cant eat them, to get out of having to eat in public and stuff, if someone does that for a long time they start to believe it themself.
No. 402533
>>402435Yeah, I remember that part of the story where she mentioned the salad - that was definitely pretty suspicious. And it seems weird that Dorian would simply make that up or lie about such a thing. I know people can lie about strangest stuff, but still… It didn't seem like a lie to me at that time. I don't know :/
In case the poisoning really happened, then it's pretty tragic that they now seem to be getting back together :( It could kill her.
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Oh my, Ofherbsandaltars' room is a total mess (looks like a hoarder's room). No wonder they're constantly sick.
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this interview was so fucking boring. at least she bothered to get her nails done. voltaire will do anything to boost his image. totally dull. the questions he asked were so pedestrian. watching him crawl up her ass was so fake!!!
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>>399542>>399540so this was back in april, i can show some more where she says she doesnt like to talk about it so people assume she doesnt listen to it but please feel free to show where she actually said she doesnt listen to goth music