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No. 415649

Hazuki No Yume and TheBlackCero
>vocaloid subbers, got into a fight with rachie, circus-p and some irrelevant utaites
>basically they said the hazuki and cero were just reuploading videos, when, in fact, for the most part they were not
>apparently rachie stole hazuki's translyrics, and cero is mad because "hazuki's japanese skills are superior"
>cero goes on large twitter rants and just can't fucking let it go
>hazuki "retires", and ultimately just leaves and deletes all their accounts
>cero is mad that people are reuploading hazuki's videos, because hazuki is the fuCKING bEST
GHOST
>used garageband for a majority of their music
>knows nothing about music theory
>""""nonbinary""""
>had a music series but discontinued it because "i am depressed"
>horrible tumblr art
>"bendi and the ink machine ees good game
>tRIGGER WARNINGS bECause i have mental illnesses and you do too
https://www.youtube.com/c/GHOST_AND_PALS
https://ghostandpals.tumblr.com/
https://ghost-and-pals.deviantart.com/
UmbraticForest
>not very milky, just shitty voice, shitty art, and shitty translyrics
https://twitter.com/UmbraticForest?lang=en
https://umbraticforest.deviantart.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrjEDps2C_OPSDOyfz_fpvQ
https://www.instagram.com/monstre__charmant/
Creep-P
>terrible fucking music
>keeps shilling his album
>obsessive fanbase of edgy children
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCreepyPie/featured?disable_polymer=1
http://music.itseyeris.com/
https://twitter.com/TheCreepyPie

No. 415650


No. 415683

Kind of sad about the hazuki stuff. I just want my vocaloid subs, I don't care about the comm's stupid drama.

No. 415734

>>415683
Exactly this. Now all the subbers left that are active are lower quality.

No. 415737

>>415649
oh thank god a thread on ghost, I really can't stand her preteen fans and her sperg sessions when something doesn't go her way

Also Hazuki thought she was the best subber ever, she was disgustingly pretentious

No. 415874

>>415649
Creep-P doesn't seem to have much intuition when it comes to matching his lyrics to rhythms. Like, in his song "Cry", the first line is "the tears shed have not stopped flowing" (00:59). "The" is an unstressed syllable, which means it should start as an anacrusis meaning it should start before the beginning of the bar. So instead of having it all crotchets, he could have a rhythm like ♪|? ♩ ♩|♩ ♩ ♩ ♩ || which would sound more natural. There's a few more examples, but most notably at 2:35 he stressed the word "alone" the wrong way around, so it sounds like ahhh-lone.

No. 416028

creep-p's instrumentals are good imo, but his lyrics are so fucking shit

No. 416031

>>415737
there was already a thread on ghost but idk what happened to it, it died I guess? but shes such a cunt, I can't stand her huge victim complex. Someone in the old thread said her lyrics were like "she was playing madlibs with a thesaurus" and it hit the nail right on the head, I've never seen a more accurate analogy.

No. 416038

It's a re-upload because she's a serial deleter, but this song really got under my skin because it just highlights her god complex. It's essentially a song where she complains that her "rabid fans" (who, according to her, are so obsessive that it triggers her ~~BPD~~ and ~~anxiety~~) put her on too high of a pedestal.

Bitch no one fucking cares about you, you make shitty edgy garageband music with shitty engloids.

No. 416049

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heres some e d g y shit from her da titled 'self-centered asshole'

u dont get sympathy points just bc you dont like urself sweetie :)

No. 416103

i have no clue who these people are, but something that really triggers me about the western vocaloid community is how they give themselves -P names
your fanbase is meant to give you your -P name
these weebs dont know shit

No. 416113

>>416049
those fucking colors though. that red looks terrible.

No. 416386

I’m sure someone said it already but like,.l Most Vocaloid songs are edgy as hell its harmless, and I don’t think it means anything, sage for saying the same thing as everyone else (for example that Rin Teddy bear song) which I forgot, it’s harmless and inane in my opinion

No. 416654

alrighty, ghost posted a new song
these lyrics are some of her worst.

No. 416707

>>416654
I'm not sure I agree. The lyrics a still bit tell instead of show (1:40-48 especially). However, they are less "thesaurusy" which I think is a big improvement.

No. 416748

>>415874

I'm a rando not really in the fandom but I've seen a few songs

I've noticed that some of the clunkiness the English vocaloid vocals could be fixed if the song writers/producers had a better grasp on singing technique and diction.

No. 418046

>>416103
Yeah, it's get on my nerves too. The "P" is like an honorary title given by fans.
Coming with a "P" when you're a nobody is just as stupid as calling yourself "sama" or "senpai" (we all knows that weebs doing that too)

In France, the comm is still relatively small hence there's no drama.
"Big" producers/utaites are pretty chill and the audience too.
And as a teeny-tiny part of it, I'm greatly happy with that.
But I'd really like to know more about the anglophone part of it (since Voca is mostly a matter of community, it's interesting to compare its expression depending on the country in which it's located)

I hope that thread won't turn like the Ghost one (a massive shitshow with unfunny sperging apparently made by ghost herself)

saging for crappy english but hoping the thread keep going

No. 420771

So if you go to her channel, her videos are unlisted. Apparently she got hate over her new song, so she's going to pull another "waaahhh im deleting my channel bc my fans are crazy!!11!" stunt again.

No. 420820

>>416707

also fun fact she didn't write the lyrics! that's why they'd improved

No. 428141

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Some drama brewing on within the UTAU (freeware Vocaloid, for those unfamiliar) community.

User revolocities is taking old voicebanks, fixing them up and creating new art for them. Some people are getting pissy at him for doing this and getting offended on the behalf of users who've been inactive for over half a decade. I figured Vocaloid and UTAU are close enough in proximity to bring this up and bump up the thread.

No. 428376

>>415649
GHOST is the most incoherent content creator ive ever seen.
does anybody remember the "you can be kin with all my character besides the pedo priest" deal? when literally their character at the time were:
- two deformed monsters
- a homicidal-suicidal mother
- a homicida-suicidal wife
- a suicidal husband
- a homicidal minor
yeah you cant be kin with a pedo, but you can be kin with all my homicidal OCS!!

plus all the inside jokes they puts on their channels (both the old and the new one)? youre a content creator keep these fucking inside jokes to yourself.
and the jeff the elf deal too. what were they expecting, with that kind of fanbase?

last but not least: "I DO NOT MAKE FANDOM RELATED SONGS!!!" theyre right. they dont make fandom related songs: they rip off the most popular character of a fandom at the current time, make it into a shitty oc, and make a song out of it.
not to mention they made a thread for themselves and repeatedly shat it up.
this person's bpd-induced god complex need to get a cure. go see a specialist, ghost.

No. 428591

>>428376
>this person's bpd-induced god complex need to get a cure. go see a specialist, ghost.

>implying ghost actually has bpd in the first place and isn't pretending to have it like almost everyone else on tumblr

No. 430210

>>428141
The UTAU community needs stuff like what revolocities is doing. As long as he's giving credit, that is. Unfortunately that community (in the West at least) has been very nearly dead for a long time.

As for all these communities, I wish the content creators were more open to constructive criticism. There are some producers who are decent but not great, and I feel that useful criticism could help them figure out where their skills are lacking.

No. 431045

I said it before but like… the edgy vocaloid songs are a Thing and probably doesn't mean anything, We Get it already its Edgy but some jp vocaloid songs are Edgy too
too long didn''t read; The Edginess is the Same

No. 431046

>>420820
if you're going to self-post, ghost, at least attempt to change your tumblr uwu speech patterns

No. 431137

I'm kinda sad to see Ghost on this thread. I found her on youtube a few weeks ago and liked some of her music (minus all the edgelordiness). Shame that the person behind them isn't all that great. Does anyone have caps of her being a generally shitty person (like the god complex every one keeps talking about) minus getting all ~triggered~ over everything ever like every tumblrina ever? Or is it just the non-binary bs?
>Sorry if I'm missing something obvious or well known in the vocaloid com I'm kinda new to all this

No. 431165

>>431137
she deleted her ask blog a while ago so i don't have caps, but she used to adamantly refuse compliments and talk about how much communications (her abandoned project) was stressing her out :( but oh noo it wasn't her fans fault (even though she posted a lot about how people wouldn't stop asking for it to be finished)
someone leaked the old thread on her to her askblog (which she deleted shortly after the incident) and she posted it to twitter and got her fans to spam it with bullshit with her
she has no problem with talking shit about her parents on streams and on her blog (apparently they both abuse and hate her but she's broke buying too many vocaloids so she can't move out)
there's not too much on her other than that afaik it's mostly generic tumblr dramas and edgy music

on a side note, she's currently considering giving up music to set up an art shop. she posted about it a while ago on her Twitter, but has said nothing on any of her blogs about it. which, considering most if not all of her followers follow her for music, is kind of something they would need to know

No. 433986

>tfw I keked at this but then read the comments and realised it was just a way for the creator to fish for attention
I didn't even know who ghost was before. Seriously, are there any good western vocaloid producers at all?

No. 434023

>>433986
Yusukekira is actually pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hRF60wm3Co

No. 436266

Yusukekira's lyrics sound like a middle schooler trying to convince everyone they're the baddest bitch on the playground. We get it Timmy you smoked a cigarette once(namefagging)

No. 436274

>>433986
Circus can make okay instrumentals, but his tuning is sad.

No. 437964

Can we talk about JubyPhonic in this thread?

Ugh, her covers are just overused with autotune and her fans are kissing her ass for it.

No. 438007

>>437964
I personally like Juby and she's really nice from what I can tell. There doesn't seem to be any milk on her? She even does collabs with others. She even met my friend at a meet up and even though he's a nobody she hung with him and invited him to a live stream. Her only crime is she's a weeb, which honestly a lot of us are.
But I won't bash your opinion, she does use autotune and edits her voice, but most artists do. She ain't no professional singer for sure. I'm sure if she just sang on stage with a mic it would sound awful.

No. 438033

>>437964
I don't have anything personally against her, but I just can't stand her nasally tone and tihnk she's way overhyped.

No. 438152

>>438007
I see what you mean. Yeah she doesn’t really have any milk.
I know that most artists use autotune, but not as much and obvious as hers at least. You can really hear the autotune without trying so hard to hear it. It just ends up sounding so robotic. And I also agree with >>438033
Her covers aren’t really something to be hyped about.

No. 441523

I vaguely remember this little drama on dA about MMD model parts theft. Parts theft is pretty common among MMD autists but there's this:

http://archive.is/k5696

This is the same guy doing the mmd models for VOCAMERICA.

VOCAMERICA was funded by a kickstarter and a part of funds go toward mmd models.

You think he has wisen up to not do this anymore or?

No. 441579

>>441523
the author of the journal sounds like a brat.

No. 442044

>>441523
Speaking of vocamerica, any opinions on it?
I know that there was some kind of problem during a vocamerica concert a couple months back. Wasn’t major or anything but the people who went didn’t enjoy it. And how Kenji and AkiGlancy handled the problem was pretty immature/unprofessional.

No. 442138

>>442044
I don't understand why they'd add random utaus in this, also the songs are awful

No. 442286

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>>442044
Vocamerica and SRP has been low-key cows I've been following on and off for several years now. EmpathP and her/his/their friends at SRP have been having their go at making super mediocre events and begging for e-money. It's a really weird thing to watch from the sidelines.

Empath's original gang used to be at SRP https://www.facebook.com/SynthesizedRealityProductions/ but I guess she moved over to Vocamerica? One of the orignal crew members (Wolf) is still keeping it alive it seems like, I haven't really been following the dramu the past year..

No. 442438

>>441523

I remember this modeler got caught red handed by another modeler for stealing a whole body base once:

http://archive.is/rswCe

He claimed it wasn't the same model, but apparently he forgot to fix the one anatomical mistake the model had that gave him away to the original creator. There was another drama (also about him stealing assets) on Twitter, where REM (another MMD modeler) found out Yoi-Style was using one of his textures for one of his commissions:

http://archive.is/dhKuY

So part stealing for his models isn't really an unusual thing when it comes to this guy. Which makes VOCAMERICA's 3D artist choice… Interesting to say the least.

No. 442468

>>437964
I personally find the autotune annoying, but she's having fun. her fans are obviously young, they'll grow up eventually

No. 442471

>>442044
Aki talked about what happened in a stream a while back. Essentially a file was corrupt (i think) and the concert was fucked, and the attendees were unhappy.

No. 442927

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>>442468
Somewhat unrelated (which is the reason for sage) but I wish there were more adults in this community. In my opinion that's part of the reason there's not much talent - people grow up and leave for better things. Most retired utaite (e.g. rockleetist, kran) probably realized there was no reason to keep growing their skills for an audience and peers that don't care about quality.

No. 443269

>>442927
There are some who would claim they're done with Vocaloid but would come back to the scene just to make fun of or discourage people who are still into it.

After depending on the community to grow as a ""successful"" producer, they pull this shit. Heard one of them is promoting a new album lately so now they're back lul

Fans are mostly blind to the obvious gatekeeping they're doing so they take this as gospel truth

No. 445511

stop

No. 445524

it's so easy for people to just say "i'm not a fan of this producer" but instead you all decide to be assholes. ok.

No. 445529

>>415649
Speaking of Rachie, she said over discord that she browses PULL. Wouldn't be surprised if she lurks this thread.

No. 445533

>>445524
alright who's been googling their names here

No. 445539

>>445524
Is this Ghost?

No. 445542

>>445539
likely not. ghost speaks like an edgy child and doesn't know how to sage. i'm putting my money of rachie or some utaite

No. 445544

I thought I saw someone subtweeting. I can see now they were definitely referring to this board.

No. 448987

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people are actually defending this

No. 449004

>>448987
Shit like this is why I refuse to believe anyone behind an anime avatar is not a degenerate. Absolutely disgusting.

No. 449142

>>416103
it actually triggers me that people still repeat this misconception in 2017, it's pretty much the fastest way to out yourself as an elitist weeb who doesn't actually have the first clue about the japanese community. P names are barely a thing anymore (hence a lot of popular producers moving away from them), but when they were, self-ascribed P names were in the minority but they weren't discounted as a valid option. i can't count how many rando japanese producers i've seen with them. the "like an honorific" thing was basically grammar usage notes (so people don't make weird stacks like lamazeP-sama) but somehow that got warped into a whole damn rite of passage. it's not a big deal tbh.
the japanese community has really turned into a flaming pile of edgekid bullshit in the past few years just like the western one, it's just rare for it to leak into the western community unless it's REALLY bad. like maretu cheating on his girlfriend for a minor, or rerulili being a narcissistic dick, or like two or three people plagiarising music, or even that one utaite who made fuckin TV news after he got arrested for sleeping with a 14 year old fan. this community is so full with insane trash people that most of the people with actual talent don't even bother anymore.
also holy shit do most of these kids who got inspired to write music through kagepro have no idea about music theory at all. it's not as viscerally disgusting for someone like me as GHOST or creep-p's stuff but i legit feel so bad for the people being overshadowed by this atonal tryhard garbage.

No. 449385

>>449142
>maretu cheating on his girlfriend for a minor

Forgottensubs claims that the minor was a 19 year old, IDK how verifiable that is though

No. 449841

>>449385
yea if i remember right her birth date was found on her blog. the age of consent in japan is actually 20 though so he was up to some illegal shit
i think too many people got caught up in the ethics of fucking 19 year olds when the real irony is in how he made nonstop songs about women being abused and then got accused of abuse

No. 449851

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to keep things on topic, this was absolutely the cultural nadir of the western vocaloid community
>teenage weeb crusher makes an edgy song about a "schizophrenic child"
>parents notice and decide to use it as an opportunity to shill for their charity
>crusher sells t-shirts for them, everyone pats themselves on the back for supporting a real cause
>a few years later
>parents are thoroughly outed as munchies
>complaining about doctors refusing to accept their children's self-dxed schizophrenia
>bragging about putting their children on ridiculous dosage levels of antipsychotics that are linked to brain damage in adults
>posting videos of their barely-conscious children drooling on themselves in their fly-infested hovel
>outright admitted to physical abuse in a biography and having a child sex abuse report against them
>no vocaloid fans ever bother to check this out, at most they just complain about vague "ableism"
>despite the community possibly being financially complicit in the abuse of a child
>crusher has a falling out with the family at some point after their divorce but barely acknowledges the drama, says the kids are fine
>goes ahead and releases an updated version on her first major album anyway
like i still can't bring myself to bring crusher for this completely because it started when she was a gullible kid
but jesus fuck, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how this happened and no one noticed

No. 449870

>>449851

I follow the Schofield thread on KF but I don't recall reading this part of the story.

No. 449894

>>449870
i actually found that thread because i was curious about the song, lol. in terms of schofield drama being connected to some random youtuber is pretty inconsequential so i doubt people would care much. but if it got out on the vocaloid side of things… man i don't even know what would happen.
i know this is petty but ffs, this is such a perfect example of what sheltered brats most "edgy" producers are. the contrast between this, a real life case of mental illness and abuse, and the "i'm so crazy and sad :((" bullshit they write about is so huge. i wish they'd grow up. or at least take care not to accidentally involve people with actual issues in their bs.
sage for rant

No. 456343

Thank you for giving me more perspective on what's wrong with the western vocaloid community.

I've searched for copper and found gold

No. 482700

Another fake vocaloid has arrived.

No. 485670

>>449142
>holy shit do most of these kids who got inspired to write music through kagepro have no idea about music theory at all
lol of course they don't. Jin himself has barely any idea of writing half-decent songs at all plus he uses vocaloids like absolute shit. The (japanese) scene went most remarkably to trash after he got popular (not that vocaloid songs have ever been the finest musical pieces neither … But I noticed how producers and new songs became drastically worse and many good japanese old producers left the scene pretty much rushedly).

sage for replying to a month old post, sorry

No. 485677

>>482700
There is something I dont get about these fake vocaloids at all, how comes these kids obtain access to Yamaha's development kit if Yamaha doesnt acknowledge any relationship with them in the first place? Has this kit been pirated or something like most of vocaloids?

No. 492054

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>>482700
This voicebank appears to be real. Sorry for the awful screengrab skills, but people in the vocaloidotaku thread contacted Anders (VocaTone founder, they apparently made Oliver and Yohioloid) and Yamaha. I think Yamaha is pretty out of touch with the Western side of things though.

>>485677
I would like to know this as well. In this case someone from a Western Vocaloid company probably gave it to the Vivi developers.

By the way, "Ausgris" is the name of another Vocaloid whose production has seemingly halted.

No. 493887

>>492054
>I think Yamaha is pretty out of touch with the Western side of things though.
Makes sense to me. I can recall similar dramas about people going full skeptic about upcoming western vocaloids because Yamaha couldn't bother themselves to give enough shits about them.

In part I get why people becomes so paranoid over every engloid anouncement that isn't backed up by some vocaloid company. What a shitshow, I dont get how comes a big firm such as Yamaha is lets this stuff happen everytime.

No. 493891

File: 1517850978271.png (34.22 KB, 595x339, vivi cancelled.png)

Regardless VIVI was legit but just unlicensed (or not), she's been cancelled until further notice.

Now why would you anounce something you lack the license to release. This is not like making and posting your fucking UTAU online.

No. 493897

The vocaloid community in Japan vs the west are so different. Like, the bulk of Japanese artists are just trying to branch out their music with vocals and attract actual vocalists. While the western seems to think vocaloid is cool and is made up of people who weren't musicians to start with.

No. 494710

>>493897 maybe that's the issue. The vocaloid community is too inbred.

No. 531477

>>416028
Creep's songs are tolerable when rearranged by someone else.

Shit, but the original uploads always sound like it was made by the academy of deaf-mutes and lyrics were a direct copy and paste from the tard version of creepypasta wiki.

Outside of the "music", actually he doesn't seem to bad though. He just got posted to an instagram account which made fun of his fashion sense but he seemed to take it pretty well.

>>493891
Western fandom has basically been treated like utau the past couple of years. What is Vocamerica besides Aki's OC shit show?

No. 531480

>>442138
I can't stand the fact that rando utaus are being shilled. Everytime I have to listen to UTAU english, I die inside.

No. 531482

>>428141
This is a pretty fucking stupid drama to start in the first place.

Yes, revolocities is an attention whore, but no, using shitty utau banks and redesigning them =/= stealing them.

No. 534116

>>531480
If you become good friends with AkiGlancy, you bet your singing OC can be in Vocamerica.

I heard that's how it goes.

No. 536872

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kind of old but creep's awful try-hard jfashion is eternally hilarious. i can't believe he went to jillian vessey's meetup

No. 537719

why did ghost go on hiatus, exactly? genuinely curious and i cant seem to find an answer.
also, what are you guyses opinion on oktavia aka oktavia von seckendorff? i found her through her kurage-p covers and all of her stuff is pretty good imo.

No. 538957

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>>531477
>Outside of the "music", actually he doesn't seem to bad though.

you have to be joking… did you miss every new twitter thread he has to make about "wahhh, someone looked at me funny" every time he goes out in his awful decora

also spoiler because i gagged

No. 549822

>>537719
oktavia seems a bit annoying, but she's a much better singer than Juby

No. 556502

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this is why ghost went on hiatus:

No. 576261

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that VOCAMERICA song contest sure brought in some salt

this guy thinks they're some hot shit with this noise
https://soundcloud.com/oh-peach/high-functioning-depression-sequence

No. 576377

i think the song is decent (although it could be improved upon for example i can hardly understand the vocals), if you can't handle losing then why enter? although looking at their twitter they seem to be salty since theirs was most popular and got no sort of mention (idk how vocamerica works but that seems fair). but still like looking at their other tweets they acknowledge they didn't make what vocamerica wants.

No. 576384

>>538957
He just had major drama with a maid cafe. He also looks like he doesn’t wash his hair

No. 576385

>>531477
No he gets mad when people take his picture. Then whines on social media and rally his army of followers for asspats.It’s his own fault for looking like a dumpster hobo clown

No. 577320

>>531477
well that's just how it is with those one of OneThoughtRemain's groupie (those with edgy names)

>>576261
to be fair vocamerica contest is almost a reality shitshow. the winner of the contest doesn't even know music theory and just use vi-IV-I-V progression for all his songs.

another thing i'd like to talk about is how Aki made the email, where she gave participation trophy to losers, public. so if the contestants replied directly, basically there goes your real name and address

No. 578956

Great. Cilia is a straight up pedophile. (sage for random comment)

No. 579066

>>578956
Proof?

No. 580699


No. 582875

Can someone fill me in on the whole subber drama thing over people "stealing" translations? I really don't get the idea of that being a thing. Like, yeah, they did the work (Excluding the "translators" who have very basic knowledge of Japanese if any at all, use shitty online translators as a crutch, and act like they're reliable sources), but they don't own the actual lyrics. Two people who know what they're doing are going to get the same or near the same translation, right? Even if you make a modified version to make it easier for people to sing in their native language, it's not your song, it's just a singable fan translation. Plus, if another subbing channel takes your translation and claims they did it by themself, isn't that technically pointless because then people will ask them to translate things they can't find and they'll be found out as a faker?

No. 583007

Is it just me or is the song quality dropping with circus's new style? I feel like the vocal tuning and overall memorability of this new one is just… not there. Might just be though.

No. 583010

>>582875
Best way to put it: Whiny idiots getting upset that other whiny idiots get the same result when translating a song into the same language and start a shitshow out of it. It's pretty fucking dumb and pointless. They all seem to be pretty defensive of their "hard work" when most of it is sent through google translate and cleaned up a bit at best. It's dumb.

No. 583538

>>582875
Writing is a skill and you are right that google-translate level translations are more or less the same. But translations written by knowledable people will use different words, sentence structures, level of abstractness etc

Just see the manga translate competitions that MAL hosts every year.

No. 583542

>>583538
also a lot of vocaloid music has shitty songwriting (the composers are amateurs after all) so some songs may take forever to make sense out of.

No. 583842

>>583007
I liked his new Luka song, Dream. His songs and tuning are extremely hit or miss for me. Once in a while he makes something really nice, but usually his stuff is a little generic and grating. His tuning style bugs me, like he tries to emphasize consonants too much. I get that it's hard to make Engloids understandable, but I don't find his methods to work.

On another note, it's too bad the Unholy Quartet didn't do more actual covers together. They're all at least decent singers, and their vocals were pretty tight. I would've liked them to do a series of songs or something.

No. 585362

>>582875
>>583542
if this is about HnY from a few posts above, she's not exactly some rando with Google Translate-levels of Japanese proficiency.

I think one issue was youtaite fandubbers would stea-"borrow" her translations for english translyrics then indirectly profit from it via Patreon or other means.

No. 598993

So I guess Strovi has retired from Vocaloid and possibly given up on making music? All her stuff is unlisted on YouTube and she made a post on there about it. Too bad, she was one of the few producers with songwriting talent. I was really excited to hear what her stuff might sound like once she got more practice producing.

No. 599710

>>598993
This, she was one of my favourite western producers (which doesn't say a lot, but still). It seems like all of the newer ones are either completely talentless or literal children trying to be GHOST

No. 600704

>>578956
>>580699
You are fucking retarded. Also, tumblr is that way.

No. 600712

>>585362
Lol and if you are a fandubber with 0 level of Japanese, how the fuck are you supposed to adapt the lyrics of a song for an english fandub without referencing someone's else translation at all? I may be missing the point on something but the translation-stealig shit is the dumbest drama I heard in ages and I've been in this community for years. When you are the only one to provide a translation people are bond to use that translation one way or another. Getting offended over something like that is just being an over-sensitive snowflake.

Also if I'm not wrong HnY also got triggered at people for putting her translations as lyrics on the original uploaded song videos on nico nico douga (giving her credits and everything), the ones from the song authors themselves. Fucking retard. I hope her channel wasn't monerized either huh.

No. 602624

>>600712
>Lol and if you are a fandubber with 0 level of Japanese, how the fuck are you supposed to adapt the lyrics

Learn Japanese, retard.

No. 603234

On the topic of GHOST, people have legit harassed others for reuploading songs. Yeah, GHOST asked for no reuploads but people have gone to legit harassing. GHOST even had to make a post about this telling people to stop harassing others. I swear GHOST's fandom is toxic as shit.

No. 603270

>>600712
Maybe they should choose an area they might have a talent/skill in?
I don't know if it's the problem here (and maybe my reading comprehension is shit and I apologize in advance if so) but crediting someone's work isn't that hard. And that should applies to everyone: artist, singer…blablabla
I'm making fr adaptations of Vocaloid songs myself, and I put a lot of time and heart into.
I can only speak for myself, but If someone would take my lyrics whitout crediting me, I would certainly not throw a snowflake tantrum but I'll be sad.

sage for blogging/shitty english

No. 603372

>>603234
GHOST was an annoying person outside of vocaloid stuff, her fanbase was made up of the same sort of people as her. Remember when she was sending herself anons on tumblr about how she had a thread here?
And when her "fans" found out, "they" filled the thread with the same exact cat reaction photos that she herself used on multiple occasions on tumblr lmao…
>makes thread about herself
>sends herself asks on tumblr talking about thread
>dumps entire cat image file onto thread and claims it's her ~fans~, even though only she had used that same style of humor before
She was a real pathetic person.

No. 603613

I must have missed it, how do we know that ghost made the ghost thread? Also if the cat reaction pics was stuff ghost had posted to tumblr, then the fans could have sent it? I didn't see that so I dont know but knowing the type of fans ghost has, I could easily see them sending the cat images themselves.

No. 606607

>>598993
Strovi was too good for this shitshow of a fandom.

No. 609137

I don't feel like digging for the GHOST thread but lmao at her for thinking her songs are worth 11 bucks

No. 610090

Personally I think $11 is a fair price. That’s $1 for each song and instrumental. Yeah maybe it could be cheaper, but I can see where ghost was coming from with the price.

No. 671999

strovi's back.

No. 680932

Creep-P posted the music video for Centipede, and it's basically just awkwardly zooming in on the same drawing of the centipede, with some edgy glitching and edgy sudden-red-text, and of course, awkward Creep-P lyrics. I will say that at least he made the Vocaloids sound like they're feeling some kind of emotion instead of sounding dull and robotic like in Animalistic.

No. 681341

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>>680932
I saw this too, and it really bothered me. Not just the tasteless subject matter, but the clumsiness of the song itself. Creep-P's music never has discernible chords to me.

>>671999
It's good that she's back, but this doesn't make much impact on first listen. I love that everyone has been using Eleanor Forte, though, even if her design is kind of bad. (Something simpler would have been much better.)

No. 681956

>>680932

creep doesnt tune his own works though, prismatic does https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh17nFTXiVrEw3kC3mb7ibQ

No. 682098

https://twitter.com/TheCreepyPie/status/1037320611016654848

appearantly he noticed that people bren talking shit bout him but i think hes been just living in denial that his music could improve

No. 687962

>>681341
ngl i thought this was a miku recolor or maybe a snow miku design

No. 698381

>google "are there any western vocaloid producers that are actually good"
>this is literally the third result

Hue.

The only western producer I can think of that was ever good on a consistent basis was Giuseppe (and I think he only ever did covers). Everyone else either sucks or is mediocre with MAYBE one or two good songs.

It's… really baffling, honestly. No one can mix. No one can into music theory. No one can even make lyrics with metre that ISN'T fucked in some way or another. They don't even have to be talented. They just need to THINK.

This fandom is over 10 years old and the western side of it has never produced an equivalent to Neru/Supercell/Jin/Oster Project/etc… Not ONE. How is that even POSSIBLE?

TONS of people know what vocaloid is. Shitty songs can EASILY get a million views. And yet no one with any actual gumption has stepped up to the plate on the western front. HOW?

No. 698390

>>698381
>>698381
talented western musicians do not waste their time on this weeaboo crap

No. 698400

is western vocaloid community still a thing after like 2013

No. 698431

>>698390
eh, vocaloid is a really good tool for musicians who don't have access to singers. but that's literally it.

100% of the time i like versions with real singers, even if they vocode their voices, because most musicians don't tune vocaloid vocals well.

that said, it doesn't work that well in the western indie scene because there's no huge pool of singers wanting to work with anyone, nor is there a huge cover scene.

No. 698733

Basing your lyrics off existing translations is bad apparently, but what about if you're just cross-referencing?

Is it really stealing if you speak some Japanese, but look at a TL to help with context on some trickier parts? What if you mull over some word choices and decide the one used in the translation is the best one? Is tHAT still stealing?

No. 716018

Ghost's new song is pretty underwhelming.

No. 716461

>>716018
i will fight u ghosts new song is amazing

No. 717144

>>716461
Seconded. I unironically like this one.

No. 717311

>>717144
>>716461
same. it's fucking edgy but it's probably the best tuning she's ever done.

No. 717320

>>716461
Amazing? This sounds like garbage. I don't know why people find this Vocaloid shit appealing to listen to.

No. 717321

>>716461
Amazing? This sounds like garbage. I don't know why people find this Vocaloid shit appealing to listen to.

No. 717343

>>716018
ghost's lyrics are stilted sometimes but jeez. this feels like listening to a word salad, save for a couple lines in the middle.
i do like the art for this a lot, though.

No. 717443

>>716461
Literally anything ghost writes is garbage, like ever fucking listened to her other shit. Like the only legit good thing she written is only somewhat seen, because it isn't a mess. Get urself a new pair of ears anon

No. 717620

>>717443
i think im inclined to liking the song because its literally about me :)

No. 717631

>>717620
still lurking?

No. 717721

>>717620
well, if you're really ghost just lurking to see what people say about u, then take some fucking criticism. get urself a new pair of ears, and stop caring what random people on the net say, because holey moley, someones on their fucking period.

No. 717783

>>717721
im not ghost lmao, im the person that ghost wrote their new song about (im the spider/stalker). i dont think they lurk this thread?

No. 717801

>>717783

Why the fuck are you stalking some weeb rando and why the fuck are you posting about it?

No. 717825

>>717801
¯\_(ヅ)_/¯(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 717912

>>717825
Is it u crypt

No. 717958

>>717912

Didn't they resolve their differences like a year ago or something?

No. 718024

>>717958
Idk ghost went around warning about crypt, who uses minors for free art for his songs or something and it really wouldn't surprise me judging how he asks for donations plus changing the artist for every song he releases

No. 718483

>>716018
At least the picture looks good.

No. 718548

>>717912
>>716461

creep p or crypt or eyeris or whatever the fuck wouldn't call ghost's music amazing

No. 718571

>>718548

What else would he say
>CRYLAUGHEMOJI

No. 718585

off topic but crusher made a cover of this one producers songs whos having some sort of controversy going on which I think is really bothering to know, considering [REDACTED] wanted any of their work to be never mentioned again, and she decides to make a cover of his song and still tells to not mention the producer lol

No. 719893

>>718585
Dunno what happened here but the producer's nicopedia page says it's OK to repost his most popular songs as long as he doesn't get credited. People have been making loads of covers of this already so it was pretty much impossible to erase all traces of it from the internet anyway.

No. 719978

>>719893

Personally, it's not that she covered it, more like that she wanted to cover it right NOW where this new account got created with this mysterious producer who seems to show off that they're them who disappeared years ago.

No. 720020

>>719978
who's the producer…?

No. 720079

>>720020
What I wanna know is what the producer did to make people want to erase his name from the whole internet.

No. 720173

>>720079
Not dating a 19 year old
BA dum ts

No. 720401

Did any of you see the drama on the Vocaloid discord?

No. 720702

>>720401

>sips tea

No go ahead I'm interested

No. 720860

File: 1540473078715.png (3.22 MB, 737x14234, IMG_0667.png)

This was posted on another server. I’m not in it so can’t see what people said about this in there.

No. 720908

>>720860
Lmao this keeps happening. VocaloidOtaku had a huge problem with this too. The community has been around 80% underage for years so it's trivially easy for some gross ass to take advantage of kids and teenagers.

No. 721746

>>720020
>>720079
Koronba, he's the guy who made LCD dem and then tweeted something like "I'm tired of saying I'm going to kill myself and not doing it" and asked people to never mention his name again. Wasn't the first time he'd done something like that btw

No. 722231

>>719978
obviously for clout

this is the same girl who was "done" with the fandom only to come back crawling to promote her first album

No. 722353

>>720860
jesus christ disgusting weeb men must die.

No. 722621

>>720860
What makes it so disturbing is that there are just so many of them involved in defending this person

No. 724525

>>722231
Why do producers do that anyway?

I wonder how many of them actually work full time. It doesn't make sense to shit on all your fans if they're paying your bills.

No. 725682

>>721746
Too bad no one here speaks Japanese. An Eastern Vocaloid Community thread would probably be amazing.

No. 725697

>>724525
Being a Vocaloid producer definitely does not pay the bills, but she's clearly cashgrabbing regardless. I doubt it will affect much, honestly, her fanbase is full of dumb kids.
>>725682
I speak Japanese but I only know about older stuff, I've been out of the loop.

No. 725718

>>725697
Pls share juicy drama regardless.

No. 726306

okay, so GHOST tries to play off how "poor" and "abused" she is but look at how many vocaloids she owns (based off her past + present videos)

-GUMI
-vflower
-daina
-fukase
-dex
-macne nana
-oliver
-maika
-yohioloid
-gachapoid (she used him for that one 'meme' song)
-her most recent addition, LUMi
-rana
-utatane piko
-otomachi una
-avanna
-hatsune miku
-sweet ann
-mayu
-chika
-cyber diva (?)
-ruby


that's all of them, judging from what i can remember/reuploads/what's currently on her channel.
unfortunately i can't find the costs for a lot of these, so i only managed to get to a total of about 1014.78 USD (not factoring in any sales; this is including fukase, cyber diva, otomachi una, lumi, vflower, gumi, chika, gachapoid, maika, macne nana eng and gumi eng)

No. 726378

>>726306
Yeah, but does she own them or did she just torrent them?

No. 726583

>>726378
im not sure. she's said that she buys all of her vocaloids, but i can't be sure how true that is.

No. 728264

Hi um. Can you guys not?

No. 728267

Ghost is THEY. not "she". You guys are just mean.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 728270

>>728267
fuck off

No. 728300

>>728267
she said she doesn't want people to argue about her gender, and she doesn't care about pronouns, so.

No. 729036

>>726306
oh my god, jelf the elf. watching ghost freak the fuck out because people laughed at her thing and going full bpd was great.

No. 729527

>>729036
Please elaborate

No. 729610

>>729036
damn, i remember that. why did she get so pissy though? i thought she wanted it to be a joke?

No. 730008

>>729610
she couldn't handle the "attention" and "fame". her fans took the joke just as far as she did, though

No. 730382

>>728267

why should i care for
>her
preffered pronouns if she blocks me for no reason? :)(don't use emojis)

No. 730575

>>730382

>(don't use emojis)


sorry im a newfag(https://lolcow.farm/info)

No. 733818

Actually, wait, what are your thoughts on the ghost wannabe called "Zion XYZ"? I fucking hate them for being so salty and horrible…

No. 733854

>>733818
I couldn't care less about their personality. But their songs suck and they can't mix for shit. just like every other western Vocaloid producer.

No. 733883

I've seen a bunch of instances where creepy male anons want too go to mikuexpos just to do predatory stuff/shag vocagirl cosplayers, that one pedo instance sadly isn't the only case, you know which thread btw

No. 733921

>>733883
They seem to target underage Vocacosplayers too. Fucking disgusting.

No. 734687

>>733818
it's amazing how deep in denial she is. Maybe if she tried to deviate from ghost at least a little bit it would be okay, but she just deletes any mildly critical comment

No. 737495

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She even fucking said Micheal Myers. MICHEAL FUCKING MYERS, a serial killer, was hot. Disgusting.

No. 737849

>>737495
zzz anon, this is an over reaction lol

No. 737938

>>737495
Its a fictional character. Chillout

No. 738828

File: 1543282166523.png (16.22 KB, 637x170, chrome_2018-11-26_20-26-07.png)

I'd be concerned about this (now deleted) tweet from them…

No. 739185

>>737495
>>738828
Feels like a lame attempt at being edgy, tbh.

No. 739186

If they try to treat this tweet like a joke, I'm going to vomit.

No. 739200

ew that's gross. i hope they're joking

No. 739201

it's officially, zion is fucking disgusting

No. 739268

>>739185
>>739186
>>739200
>>739201
Sage your one-liners in the future, peanut gallery.

No. 739270

What does that even mean?

No. 739278

>>739270
It means to lurk more until you learn how to reply to specific posts and sage, obvious newfag.

No. 739279

To be fair, how else is anyone supposed to react to this?

No. 740174

File: 1543454059573.png (58.31 KB, 639x649, hmmmm.png)

>>737495
>>738828
Who to believe…

No. 740177

Perhaps that user is only covering for Zion? It's plausible.

No. 740586

nah, those tweets are fake. whoever’s doing it is trying to frame him for stupid shit for some dumbass reason. whoever posted those, you seriously need a life if you tried to fake tweets.

No. 740626

disgusting…

No. 740627

File: 1543519523461.png (20.73 KB, 590x198, chrome_2018-11-29_14-24-38.png)

This is disgusting…

No. 740628

oh my fucking god it's another fake!!!

No. 740650

File: 1543521280059.png (13.22 KB, 639x198, chrome_2018-11-29_14-54-31.png)

alas another one

No. 740652

ugh stop

No. 740658

where come all those fucking anons to begin with, this seems way too forced to be multiple people, wouldn't be surprised if ghost makes those up to begin with, considering people been callin zion a ghost ripoff and we all know how much

>she


is a drama queen dont't we

No. 740663

File: 1543522138749.png (48.43 KB, 915x528, s.png)

>>740658

just to show how easy it is to fake some juicy content. if ya'll want me to believe any of that shit get some way back machine screenshots, otherwise, eat my ass(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 740677

you really think it might be ghost getting back at everyone? What good would there be in that?

No. 740685

>>740677

Knowing how small the vocap community in the west is, denying any other less successful P will lead most fans to the ones that exist already - like ghost, creep, circus, aki - they essentially don't let other genres breath up its either edgy or pop, but thank God that the lord brought to us kira

No. 741195

What do you guys think about Ferry? I unironically like his lyrics, though the dude can't master for shit.

No. 741500

>>741195
he's a guy?
i think his lyrics are fine. he's going places but man he does have to work on his mastering a lot. maybe also his tuning, sometimes i can't even understand the words lol

No. 741562

>>740658
Nah I don't think it's Ghost trying to get back at people. Besides, Ghost has never had any drama with Nico. It's probably someone trying to create drama or some shit. Who ever you are anon, please get a fucking life instead of being pathetic by faking tweets just to start drama with people you don't like. Grow up.
>>740663 Yeah I'm not buying these tweets unless it's archived. Nico doesn't even have a cat as far as I know.

No. 741711

>>741500
>he's a guy?
I was just assuming, could very well be a girl.

No. 741879

>>741711
Ferry is a guy. I remember somewhere he mentioned it.

No. 742801

What do you guys think of creep-p using minors for resources? (art, tuning)

I'm afraid he underpays then

No. 742847

>>742801
wasn't that a rumor Ghost spread about him when they were fighting? i know he used to be stingy about it and tried to haggle, but he pays them whatever their commissions are

No. 742987

>>742847

better tell us what happened so we can get why ghost is a horrible person

No. 743380

I know that Creep joked about paying a minor a nickel for their pay what you want commissions, but I dont know if he ever actually underpayed someone

No. 743874

>>743380
I'm not a minor, but Creep-P did comission me for something and paid me what I asked

No. 743900

I don't think it was a rumor, I think actual people that he commissioned accused him of underpaying but it was debunked. I don't have screenshots though and I might be remembering wrong because this all happened over two years ago

No. 743911

>>743900

I remember him talking about it multiple times on streams and Twitter, and he was able to pretty much set a lot of shit straight. He did come clean about underpaying Sleppu, and he did apologize for that, so I give him some credit.

No. 744037

I think you guys are being a bit harsh here. None of them are professionals, they're just people who like making music in their spare time. And yeah, they're not perfect human beings, but can you honestly say that any of you are better? You spend you free time shitting on people on the internet. Stones, glass houses, yadda yadda yadda.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 744152

>>744037

anon, they act like professionals, and each time their work is critized, they end up being the crybabies, so what's your point. Creep-P is one of the oldest Ps in the community so they should know how to properly pay his artists.

I doubt he even pays the child who's tuning most of his songs, because they probably be like "it's just tuning"

I hope that's not the case, but if it is, well, won't deny that it's nothing new.

No. 744153

also damn, people who directly get in touch with those producers >>743874

consider that he'd be using your work not just for a PV though, if he owns the artwork he can use it as often as he wants and on whatever he wants like merch and etc, that's why I think people really underprice that what they're working for

No. 744157

>>744037
"making music in their spare time" and "not being perfect" are not good excuses for scamming people, being emotionally manipulative, sexually harassing people, exploiting mental illness, etc etc etc
there are loooads of great independent content creators in the world who don't act like shitty brats but the general tone of the western vocaloid fandom is so bad that they're staying a million miles away

No. 744329

So, it's been a while since we touched on Ghost. What are the issues you guys have with her with how she is now?

No. 745747

File: 1544277828563.jpg (184.53 KB, 1113x1089, IMG_20181208_165832.jpg)

>>741195
He's actually an ok artist

No. 745820

File: 1544293270908.jpg (23.12 KB, 340x340, IMG_20181209_031811.jpg)

>>745747
You left out the reference he used
It looks more than just "referenced" and straight up traced to me though in all honesty

No. 745832

>>745820

Nah. The proportions among everything would be exactly the same if he traced. Its clearly a reference.

No. 745839

File: 1544295022383.jpg (222.5 KB, 1920x1080, check.jpg)

>>745832
>>745820
It doesn't line up at all.

No. 745844

>>745840
I don't think the guy is traced. The lower part of his face looks kinda suspicious, but I think that's mostly due to line thickness.

No. 745848

>>745839
>>745844
tbf it's hard to tell when people trace, because people who are smart about it won't trace it perfectly, and usually do like in >>745839.

No. 749063

File: 1544782001091.jpg (164.42 KB, 720x1045, IMG_20181214_130404.jpg)

Ghost being salty about mild criticism vol 80

No. 749064

>>749063
I always see this whiny shit and it never makes sense. People just like giving their opinions/throwing out their own ideas, especially online. Saying "I think this would've been better if you made this change" doesn't mean they expect or are demanding that you do it that way.

No. 749259

>>749064
>I don't like the reverb on your cover. Can you please re-record it?

I have that kind of comments on my own YT sometimes and I guess it comes from very young viewers.
It can be sligthly annoying but come on, it is not worth throwing a twitter tantrum.

But this is Ghost, a girl stupid enough to create and shit up her own thread on here.

No. 749617

Her having mental issues doesn't excuse her being a bitch to everyone who tries to give her constructive criticism.

No. 749850

ghost and empath-p got demonetized on youtube who's next

No. 749909

>>749063
1 person responded negatively to her complaint and after failing to start a twitter fight with said person, she backpedaled and deleted the tweet.

No. 749918

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No. 749927

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No. 749929

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No. 751072

So whats up with CreepP being so mysterious about MAPs, can't he just do a proper callout post or some shit, he just shares everything in DMs like a pussy

No. 751260

>>751072
What's he doing? I'm not seeing anything on Twitter.

No. 752713


No. 753259

>>752713
looks like a vendetta article to me

No. 754167

>>752713
>>753259
Same. It's kinda pathetic writing all of this this about a literal who, anon.

No. 754249

what do you guys think about Circus? tbh he’s starting to have a more generic sound, and it’s starting to get really boring

No. 754264

YES. Thank you. Finally, someone else says it. It’s sounding so damn generic and repetitive nowadays…

No. 754270

>>754264
>>754249
He's extremely boring nowadays. The lyrics and the music are just so fucking bland.
The only good song he's made recently was Hello Again, which incidentally sounds very similar to Wooden Toaster's Awoken

No. 754479

Can I just sperg/vent about Creep-p for a bit?
I've been too long around his 13 year old fans and I decided to listen to songs of his that I didn't previously listen to.
And oh my god. That guy can't compose or tune for shit. With tuners it's always guests like Ghost who can make this garbage at least listeneable, and some nonames that tune worse than Creep himself.
His tracks are all cookie cutter, his lyrics are terrible, his tuning is atrocious.
The only song of him I kinda like is Animalistic and still it's such a mess musically.

How did he even get popular? Are all those fans from Exorcism?

No. 754694

>>754479

Anon he makes songs out of existing franchises that are a big hit, listen to centipede, his undertale one, and fucking uhhhh dhmis. His original songs with original plots are the most basic emo teenager shit you'd see, with a obvious meaning behind his fucking basic lyrics.

No. 755329

File: 1546025638622.png (43.61 KB, 579x240, le fuck.png)

Someone asked Zion a relatively okay question, and then he responded with this. pure immaturity.

No. 755429

>>754479
Because a decade of consistent producing and social media presence will accumulate at least some semblance of a fanbase, no matter how much you suck at it.

Also because there's no Jin, Neru, supercell, or other big names that actually make good songs on the western side of the fandom. Western vocaloid fans are lazy fucks that mindlessly consume whatever the JP side makes. No one with any actual talent tries.

No. 755699

Kinda funny how much music theory is shunned in this music community. Most popular producers have confirmed they don't know it(Circus, Ghost Eyeris), but I've seen some(Eyeris) even sperg out about how even insisting they should even touch music theory is bullshit and "bullying".

It doesn't even sound like Eyeris knows certain notes don't go together.

Critique is non-existant, too(that's also bullying).

No. 755705

>>755699
Got Screenshots of that? Would love to see

No. 755953

Okay, to all of the anons that find this, all of the stuff that you claim they are doing, is it
A) Stuff they did a long time ago
or
B) Stuff they are doing in present tense

I would highly suggest thinking real hard about your answer. And once you do, you will either triumph in victory, or cringe in defeat afterwards.

No. 755966

I posted that simple quiz in the comment because people are capable of making change and pushing forward. That dosen’t mean that they don’t become aware of their past mistakes, it just means that they are rebuilding, they are a work in progress.

And i know that the other producers may do things that i may not agree with, like underpaying collaborators, interacting with minors, or something of the sort. And if you’r aware of that, then maybe reporting them to the police or even the FBI would be a lot better than resorting to this comment section here. I know this is lolcow, and it has a purpose, but there are other options OUTSIDE of this website. Like, if you’r being abused, calling the police is the best suitable option.

And if you saw someone abusing them, getting the police involved or giving the person enough strength to get out is an option as well. So it’s not like calling the police, or going to the cops yourself isn’t an option anymore.

If anyone is aware of that person’s misdeeds but still enjoys what they do, whether it’s making videos, music, or comics, etc, then let them do so. Because we all have different thoughts and opinions on people we may not like.

Unless of course you decide to make some sort of meme or joke out of this, then go right ahead. I’m kind of expecting it.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 755975

>>755699
I would believe it. No one talks bad or criticizes the popular music or art producers, at least not in public.

No. 756103

I agree with so much stuff in this thread, but being a producer with a somewhat decent following I'm afraid to speak up. I know that if I say a single bad thing about GHOST half of my audience will be gone.

No. 756203

>>755329
I wouldn't worry about that Zion kid. They're even more of a nobody than Ghost themselves.
They're just Ghost but more oobnoxious

No. 756247

What do you guys think of some of the newer producers popping up that aren't GHOST ripoffs? People like MOROS, Pumpkin Head, Poet Fog, etc.

No. 756266

>>756103
Tbh you'd be better off not starting drama anyway. If someone starts shit, by all means respond. But don't be the bad guy here.

No. 756293

>>756247
The people you mentioned seem super edgy. That's nothing new at this point, obviously.
Some of it was decent but nothing made me go "wow! this is worthwhile!".
There's got to be one good eng prod. somewhere, Right? Cuz this isn't it.
I like Ferry's art sometimes but not his music.

ODDEEO's stuff is pretty good though, alas, the fandom doesn't like music that makes sense. (Not sure if they're new, but I never hear people talk about them.)
Kira's lyrics might be too "baddest bitch on the playground" but its listenable and I like it.
I also like the song Back to the Future Funk(it's an UTAU original).

>>756103
Yeah, its better to stay safe. Ghost's worshippers will end you.

No. 756509

>>756266
Honestly? The western fandom needs a "bad guy" if it wants to be worthwhile. I stopped actively participating years ago and it's STILL a circlejerk of edgy talentless producers because no one has ever bothered to say "hey, Vocaloid deserves more than this garbage". Ofc that viewpoint needs to be backed up with legitimately good songs though.

No. 756618

https://soundcloud.com/user-27144093/fukase-englishmama-original-vocaloid-collaboration Oh. This sounds… decent? I dunno. You guys' thoughts?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 756662

>>756618
There's a few nuggets of decency, but no it's still pretty bad. Bad mixing, clunky lyrics, reeks of midi and sounds halfbaked overall.

Also maybe it's just me, but if I were going to make a song about how bad my parents are, I'd make sure my song is good-enough to convey that on its own instead of spelling it out in the description for pity points. If anyone really wanted to know if it was based on reality, they could ask me on twitter and I'd answer them there.

An example of this done well would be Kimi wa Dekinai Ko by Kikuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00). Was Kikuo's mom like this? Is Kikuo just being edgy? Who knows, but the song is creepy and sad and that's exactly what he's going for here.

No. 756689

From the newer producers I like Ferry a lot.
They just have a shit time making vocaloids sound coherent in english. Without the subtitles you can't figure at all what are they singing about.
I love their music, it's mininalistic and game-y and I love the themes they chose for their song (apparently they are Belorussian) so there are soviet-themed song and such.
If their songs sounded even a little bit coherent, they would be my favourite new producer.

No. 756745

What do you think of Beau Jordan?
I think his stuff is pretty nice.
Also for some reason I never hear people mention Cephied, though he has a bunch of songs with over 100k views.

>>756689
Ferry is not as bad as some other western producers, but he really suffers from bad mastering. I think even his tuning would be fine if the vocaloid wasn't drowned out by the music half the time.

No. 756750

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Pumpkin Head was barely mentioned and immediately threw a shitfit

No. 757000

These people think "edgy" only refers to the subject matter and that we aren't ragging on them for anything else. Haha.
When people say your music is edgy, we're also talking about the ear-grating distortion, the fact it doesn't even sound like music.
Hell, in Spider on the Wall I can't hear any melody or chords for the entire first minute. Music is organized sound, not bashing on your keyboard until it makes noises.

These people don't even wanna bother learning the basics. They themselves personally don't wanna improve. They don't want any criticism because its all being "mean". At least they know their music won't improve because they're too lazy to try.

No. 757328

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What's the story behind this?

No. 757394

>>757328

Creep threw a tantrum over Circus a while back, so probably that.

No. 757498

Circus keeps falling out with everyone? First Crusher and now Creep.
I'm wondering if there will be some type of callout or shitshow one day.

No. 757567

>>757498
Well Circus was dating Crusher, wasn't he? I don't think he dated Creepy too.

No. 757725

>>757328
Circus and Crusher never dated, and I know that Creep never dated Circus, but this wasn’t about him since they had a falling out a while ago, farther then his tantrum.

I think it was about Rebornica/Mxbones.

No. 757728

>>757725
Probably Rebornica, yeah. "Hive-mind mentality" does make me think perhaps mutual friends or acquaintances dropped Creepy once Circus did, though.

No. 757735

>>757728
Yeah, I think they did, except for Aki because they still talk, but I don’t think he cared? But for sure I remember him talking about Rebornica and her friend group.

No. 757741

>>757728
lmao have you seen ANYTHING in regards to Rebornica? He’s definitely talking about her, and honestly I don’t blame him. I used to be there too, and she was borderline a cult leader. But he hasn’t really mentioned Circus up until that stream of tweets he had.

No. 757906

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No. 757916

>>757906
>vocaloid gatekeeping
kek

No. 758020

>>757906
lol they're actually talented musicians. I remember people complaining about lazy Japanese horror songs just as much when they were actually relevant

No. 758411

>>757906
Tbh jp horror song genre is not as big or popular as in the western fandom. Aku, ghost, creep, and alot of look alike who imitate them, all stick to the edgy formula which is boring

No. 758579

>>758411
>Aku
If you're talking about Aku-P then he's not edgy at all. His stuff is actually pretty cheerful.

No. 758772

>>758579

Tbh prob right bc he's composing stuff related to helping, horniness, etc, he and Kira are more diverse and I like that. Maybe I was too judging

No. 760245

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Jee, while I don't think they are wrong they say it in such a bad way

No. 760246

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>>760245 they lost all creditability with shutting down critiques as well lol

No. 760266

lol(sage)

No. 760280

>>760245
if you don't give a fuck then why does it matter if they comment or not

No. 760671

Sometime ago I saw someone posting bout big P names distancing themselves from crypt, does anyone know why that happened or

No. 763003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlhgKHHqpL0

ghost uploaded a new song today. it just sounds the same with the same chord progressions, vocaloids, and instruments used over and over again.(lolcow.farm/info)

No. 763208

>>763003
I like the guitars in this one, but aside from that it's a big noisy mess. And it wouldn't be a ghost song without those shitty word salad lyrics, it's like they get worse with every new song she releases.

No. 766117

Ever heard of Meyonto?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 769282

This edgelord producer named MOROS made a song about John Wayne Gacy's clown persona.

No. 769329

>>769282
Not the first time he's made a song about child rape either, it's really fucking tasteless.

No. 769743

>>769282

why is it always these edgy vocaloid producers that make trashy songs like this? what's with this big obsession about serial killers? is it mental illness or is it just a hip new thing that all the tumblrites do?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 769855

>>769743
it's just trendy uwu

No. 769963

File: 1548189025627.png (Spoiler Image, 83.77 KB, 770x509, morosgacyapology.png)

This is his apology to the people who were concerned about the subject matter of the song.

No. 770401

>>449851
hey so susan schofield is currently trying to put her son on lethal doses of antipsychotics and filming his withdrawals to prove he needs it and i keep thinking in the back of my head that crusher-p never apologized for raising money for these sick fucks and lies about how they're doing "better" when she should be denouncing them

No. 772799

Moved to >>>/w/12305.



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