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20 year old "family friendly pet mom" Youtuber and her 31 year old junkie boyfriend Jonny Craig.
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The basics:> Taylor is a notorious animal hoarder known for collecting 30+ rare and exotic pets and manhandling/mistreating them for the sake of her Youtube channel which has over 1 million subscribers. Several pets have died in her care, many more have fallen ill due to her neglect or disappeared after "rehoming" them. Fails to give proper enclosures for many of her pets, including overstuffing fish tanks, keeping her kittens locked in the bathroom, and her mouse and hedgehog in the closet.> Jonny Craig is the frontman of the band Slaves and is most well-known for being an outspoken abusive junkie. He has been in and out of rehab centers for a decade now and has been kicked out of multiple bands and off of tours for his behavior. He is usually homeless when he does not have a girlfriend to leech off of.> Several of Jonny's ex-girlfriends have come out with stories of Jonny's physical and sexual abuse, including rape at knife-point. His ex Chelsea confided this in Taylor when she and Jonny first started dating, in which Taylor's response was to laugh with Jonny and make a public spectacle of it.> Recently moved out of her parent's house and into an apartment with Jonny Craig, which caused public drama between her and her mother, who adamantly disapproves of Jonny after hearing of his history and discovering that together he and Taylor were snorting coke and heroin.> Taylor loves to throw pity parties for herself and dodge around the real issues when faced with criticism about her husbandry, hoarding, and hypocrisy. She can never keep her stories straight and will tell outright lies only to contradict them hours later. Her fans are sycophants who only encourage her.
Facebook (private:) https://www.facebook.com/Taylor.Nicole.Dean
- Fans are still tweeting at her expecting their goddess to save their impulse bought pets' lives, but Taytay has better things to do!
- Bought THREE new Satanic Leaf Geckos, who are super fragile!!!
and have very specific care needs.
- Plus point is that apparently these geckos were wild caught, not captive-bred.
- Posted a picture of her holding one of these fragile creatures and insisted 'she stayed still while I was moving her so I snapped a picture' when people asked her about it
- Jonny tweeted that Taylor was coming to his tour for the first few days and then meeting him in Vegas and 'ending the tour with daddy' puke emoji
- But wait, she just got three sensitive geckos with very specific needs? No worries! She has not one, not two, but three experts who will come to her house three times a day to check in on them and her fish!
- Also has been putting off editing her videos because muh invisible illness and joint pains.
- Flirting with someone called Karizma on twitter (handle @callmekarizma), the guy asked her to adopt a kitten with him in LA.
- Said guy has apparently been called out for doing bad things like: singing about mental illness and romanticizing it; sexually harassing women especially minors and generally being manipulative and abusive. ( if interested, check this thread: https://twitter.com/diamandisjewels/status/960998257622179840
) Taylor just can't keep away from trash.
didn't know i'm not able to edit post
here is the latest video link she posted today that she removed. Thank you to the mysterious anon that recorded right before it was deleted!https://vimeo.com/258914809
The last screen flashes by so fast i couldn't even get it to pause but it says something like "this is not intended to be any type of care video for black throated monitors"
I sure hope not. It's just you holding it and touring a pet store.
She deleted all posts saying she saw where the geckos were bred>>522869
She's already saying it will all blow over.
No Tay, you can't ruin someone's business with lies and pretend nothing happened.
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This is a really good point.
Funny how she says her friend (who takes care of all her pets) wants to have a reptile but can't keep one so she's telling Taylor to keep it for her. sounds to me that Taylor just wants to impulse buy while using her friend as an excuse to get another pet to add to her collection. that way, no one can say that she's impulse buying again and she can just reply with "but my friend made me!"
sage for speculation
Just doing some random late night digging and found this old article on Taylor and it really talks her up as some kind of expert and then in the video she talks about how much she loves making educational videos.
She also looks (and sounds) like a completely different person. https://www.expressnews.com/lifestyle/article/Adorable-online-animal-care-with-Taylor-Nicole-9216869.php#photo-10911791
Here's another channel's vlog from a reptile expo in CA in May when she got her little hognose. It starts out with her throwing ping pong balls into little cups with Bettas in them. Shouldn't she be against that? She's also with a friend named Paige. One of the "experts"?
When it comes to getting the snake, she says she got a female because she's more comfortable with their feeding habits? Are they actually different? I googled and didn't see any major differences.
She shows up a few times in the footage from the first day and then that's it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq4dfIfVaXo&t=
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I’m not familiar with monitors, so I looked up some videos of roughnecks and holy SHIT. Those things are scary and seem very hard to tame. Taylor is definitely going to have to rehome it… especially if she’s as fragile as she claims. And I doubt she has enough time to even care for it properly. I hope she realizes how irresponsible she is after all this bullshit
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Apparently almost everything listed on the website of the reptile store she buys her animals from is wild-caught. The ones that aren’t specifically state “CB” before their names. So both of her crocodile skinks and all leaf tail geckos are wild-caught (which we already knew) and it’s pretty easy to email/call the store to confirm it if anyone wants to. So much for “I’d never own a wild-caught reptile.” Even if it had been a black throat like she “thought” it was, it still would have been wild-caught.
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Got my burner account banned from asking why this wild caught animal was any different from all her other ones
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She’s getting tired of everyone calling her out I guess
If I remember correctly the male crocodile skink was from an expo. Not sure if the female was from the same breeder (don’t doubt she would play that card if it wasn’t) or if it’s from her “experts” shop.
~not trying to white knight just trying to clear speculation~
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Going through her Instagram this comment popped up. How in the heck did she think almost $700 was okay to pay for a lizard!!! If you did so much research you’d know at first sight of that price tag that you’re getting ripped off. I get that you can pay this much or more for fancy snakes. But a frickin lizard. Come on Taylor you should know better! It makes me wonder how many times she’s been ripped off from all her animals or even just from this store
Price Range: $90 to $225.
lol. Apparently she overpaid for her leaf insect too, although obviously not by as much.
It is from an expo. I just happened to remember the breeder. Still no answer.
The place where she got the monitor has now read my message with no reply.
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Boo boo the fool
"continue releasing videos like usual"
sooo one a month?
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She definitely saw this
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Not sure if this will work, it was posted ont he previous thread.
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Maybe she was having a bad pregnancy because you forced an 8 month old pregnant lady to care for 30+ pets every day? Wtf
Wow… Just when I thought Taylor killing her pets and her kitten from neglect had made her reach the lowest point, here she goes again. This girl is a psycho. Remember the Yelp post where someone said there was a girl living in the apartment complex covered in in snakes, constantly screaming and fighting with her live in boyfriend? Just lmfao she's nuts!>>523085
Is she just saying that overpaid? Because she has a history of saying she overpays for animals. I think she likes to lie about that as well. We've seen how she loves to flash designer pets and live in luxury, she's paranoid about looking average I guess.
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What’s wrong with her arm and hand???
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Okay so if that is the place they have them listed a 200$ not 600$??
So she's lying about 2 things now?
Pretty sure it is, they sell Satanic leaf gecko's too and Caimans which she mentioned her 'friend' wanted. They're also local.
Also note the C.B. before animal's names… it means captive bred… note that her Satanic don't have it… neither does the crocodile skink.
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Definitely not defending her impulse buying an animal and not even knowing what species it was, but people saying that the store doesn't even advertise blackthroats should consider that she bought it at least a month ago.
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well if anyone needed further proof that the monitor and satanic leaf geckos did indeed come from reptile pets direct, here it is. >>523181
i'm pretty sure the rash was just the pizza burn from a while ago that hasn't healed.
Some anon said something about the store suing her for slander, but we already know some retarded anon lied about Taylot getting kicked off tour so it’s stupif to believe that. Also it’s been less than I day so I doubt
they noticed/went straight to legal action that fast
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No new milk really but not even the person who sold her the Halloween Crab knows if it’s wild caught or captive bred
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Oh boo hoo Taytay.
There are many big youtubers who dont have many haters because they are honest…no one is perfect but just own up to your bullshit. If you came clean, stopped blaming others, and owned up to ur mistakes while actually wanting to improve and grow.. you could maybe fix this.
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Hey that's us!
There are so many YouTubers who are such genuinely good people that the closest thing to hate they get is “they’re boring” or “they’re not that attractive”
So Taylor if you’re receiving this level of hate you’re obviously doing something wrong
If by entire website you mean 6 threads out of thousands then yes…
They’re probably more disappointed at her because up front she’s really sweet and friendly, until she leaves their store and spread lies about them which might hurt their business.
Honestly, I feel bad for these guys. They’re probably dedicated to their work, and have a passion for reptiles and their care.. and then this lady comes in and tries to bring them down for no reason but to fuel her fame.
Funny how she tries to make a pity party for herself, and make it seem that people are hating on her animals not poor princess Tay. If she doesn’t want people to think that her animals are suffering, all she needs to do is take a legit tour around her house and show off every animal she has with detail. Simple. If she’s really telling the truth of everything, all she needs to do is show her receipts about everything and we’ll never be on here.>>523286
HEY JEN DEAN! Lol
They’re a business, and they can’t lash out so quickly on things because they’re not irresponsible like tay. So, they are probably going over the evidence that the anon gave them and probably talk it over with the whole staff of what to do next. Being a business, they’re also have hands tied with their work so it’ll probably take longer.
Who knows, they probably contacted her as well about things we’ll never know, that’s why she’s suddenly trying to take a break as quickly as possible.
Sage for guesses
They don't need to do anything really, their main clientele probably have no idea who Taylor is & won't ever see the lies she's spreading. The situation hasn't blown up for them publically per say, as in a local scandal. They probably don't want to really advertise it all over their social media and want to stay out of it as it would look poorly on them professionally to be arguing with a "internet celebrity" lol.
Do I want them to post the receipts?? fuck yeah, but unfortunately i'm not sure if it will happen
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Seriously? Can someone tell her that all of the leaf tail geckos and crocodile skinks at that store are wild caught?
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She’s also not even the one who brought up that the monitor was wild caught. One of the people who told her it was the wrong species was the one who said it.
She tries to hard to fight back with people and to back up her lies.
Taylor and mama dean, all this could be over if she just be honest with herself, own up to her lies, apologize from all these lies that she keeps accumulating, and actually try to fix things and not run away to cry in a corner saying people are hateful to her animals which makes her mental health decrease. She’s doing all this to herself.
She’s starting to develop the same attitude as Jonny. He’s probably influencing her to start acting this way.
Or she’s finally cornered and her true face is starting to show.
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Is this person trying to get this shop attacked with calls/emails????
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TayTay noooo now how will we ever see your tweets or speak to you?!! /s
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I told her people to stop trying to get the shop "reported" and posting their name everywhere and I got blocked. Taylors fans are really dumb if they think she's not trying to cover something up
I replied saying the shop doesn't deserve harassment and I'm blocked too…
Apparently Taylor thinks they deserve it.
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Ball pythons can eat fuzzy rats at a much younger age than Maui currently is. I don't really understand why she waited this long…
If the store decided to stay out of the spotlight and not do anything against Taylor, this might make them to take action towards her.
They obviously did not do anything wrong and probably have permits for their animals, have receipts, etc. So, not only did someone–with a following–slander them, she is letting her followers harass them while blocking anyone who's trying to defend the business. This won't end well with Taylor, no matter what she tries to say or try to have to a pity party, she did this to herself.
making irresponsible decisions on serious matters as an adult has extreme consequences, Taylor.
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Taylor said it so it must be true.
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I can see where Taylor gets her big head from. Her mom sounds like a bitchy teenager calling people nobodies.
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Oh and about her saying the first green tree python was wild caught, but the second one was from a breeder— here’s her admitting the company (LLLReptile) actually just sent her another wild caught replacement. So that’s at least 5/6 wild caught reptiles she has, besides the monitor.
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And for the anon that said she got her first crocodile skink at an expo, I do think she did but either she’s lying in this video or the shop was just vending at the expo because she said she got both from that store. So that’s 6 wild caught reptiles besides the monitor.
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Guess she’s off to Vegas.
Why would you Cowtip??? && then why would you admit to it?
Don’t directly involve yourself
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Maybe you should shut up and stop being an attention whore then.
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Not sure when this happened but I must have struck a cord
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How is "that moo cow" site the problem when she's constantly posting things like this? C'mon Jen.
If emailing the shop is bannable then emailing the Craigslist sellers and interacting with Taylor on social media should be banned too.
It's stupid to expect people to do nothing while animals are being treated as accessories. Her stans sure as hell won't do anything.
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I thought Jen supported Jonny’s ex’s? Why does she rub in their face that she has the best relationship ever with her husband to someone who’s been abused
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and this shade at jonny. where's he at anyway? he's been too quiet.
This woman doesnt even have to right equipment now for the lizard.
If it was a black throat, it would need a lot of soil and sand substrate to dig and make burrows, they like to climb, a glass tank is a hideous idea. The poor thing will rub its nose raw and it would need an aquatic area/large bowl/bath to soak. I doubt she'll carry a 6 foot monitor to the bath every day with her fragile self. My boyfriends arms are absolutely shredded from their claws when handling.
Im sure roughnecks are some what simular in care as they arent water monitors. Good luck with the tail whiping if you keep it. Hope it doesnt bite you cause you're man handling it for a video and sends you to a&e with a nasty infection.
She never intended to keep it. Did you see how many "wow so cool I always wanted one" comments when she revealed it?
Once the appeal wore off she was going to abandon it like her other pets she got bored of. Some of her pets can live 20+ years and you know she's not going to pay attention to them for that long.
So frustrating. I hate people who keep pets momentarily as trends come and go. Everyone blasts how a dog is for life. Yeah well a reptile is for life to Taylor.
Anyone considered she was too high to listen properly at the shop and just listened to the first and last words 'black … some thing…. neck… must mean throat… monitor. Yeah that sounds like it. Must be it.'
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The store 100% is aware of the situation and about this group. They will not respond to questions regarding Taylor because it would be unprofessional and the employees and owner are nothing but professional. I personally looked at the roughnecks and the same employee pulled one out for me and he was incredibly knowledgeable. I have shopped at this store for a long time and they have never mis-ided an animal and the terrible employee she's referring to is amongst the most knowledgeable and intelligent people in the hobby. I can confirm the monitor is captively bred and she lied about the price.
Roughnecks are 99.99999% of the time wild caught. If they have CB roughnecks they’re the only reptile store in the US to have them and they’d be advertising it on their site.
Also if you do get them to breed getting the eggs to actually hatch is next to impossible.
Idk who this guy is claiming they are captive bred but that store has either managed an impossible feat many times or they're lying.
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Learn to fucking sage. And do your research before you come in here pretending to know the truth.
Even if they could be captive bred they are not marked as so, unlike all other captive bred reptiles on their website. Leave.
Which is why I said they're probably farm bred, which to taylor probably meant captive bred. I don't know why it matters to her so much, all of the reptiles we have today wouldn't be here without wild caughts. But of course taylor needs to be 100% against wild caught, even though she owns a handful of wild caught herself.
I also could've sworn I saged that but oops ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯.
White knights are here from Taylor and her mom.
If it were captive FARMED they would say so the multiple times they were contacted.
If it were captive BRED, they’d be the only place to breed them.
Animals are still caught wild, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I have crocodile skinks, they were caught in new guneai and no, they’re too hard to farm breed or captive breed. Just like fish are still wild caught for the same reasons: they can’t breed them. Hawaiian yellow tangs, jaw fish, naso tangs, cow fish, so on and so forth.
You’re either Taylor trying to do damage control cause you’ve been caught red handed and your lies have surfaced, or a stan still trying to make excuses. Either way, get the fuck out with your bullshit, do some research. You clearly aren’t a herp, nor know shit about reptiles.
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that forehead is looking picked at as hell jonny boy. total speculation but skin picking is a symptom of drug usage, and this photo was taken at a tour date taylor wasn't at. hmmm
Her philosophy on when it’s okay to buy wild caught is so selfish.
“Yeah well that fish/reptile/snake is super rare!!!!!! They don’t have any captive bred ones!!!!”
Then don’t….get it maybe? You don’t have to own every fucking animal you think looks cool.
Weren't the seahorses at her 'friends' (a shop basically)
I feel like it's likely that they ended up getting sold
Yeah, they "take care of them" while she renovate their tank, there is a high chance they keep them and resold them but who knows.
Maybe she can say who are those friends since she doesnt have a problem slandering business kek
You mean another imaginary friend? Like the one she claims told her that her Roughthroat Monitor is a Blackthroat and won't step up and defend her about this? >>524141
She went from allowing her seahorse to get pregnant multiple times in a short amount of time despite his inability to carry full term, to suddenly "rehoming" them because she couldn't handle them, to buying yet more and more animals that she doesn't have time for.
Forgot to post this, blogging, but I also noticed a pattern when her Axolotl Mushu got sick and almost died. I have follow a lot of Axolotl breeders and care takers for years and none of them have any issue with their Axolotls during that entire time. Occasionally they will rescue a sick Axolotl from a shop and rehabilitate it, but it's never an Axolotl from their own stock. They post frequently and their stock always look healthy and well fed. Taylor rarely posts about Mushu, even the recent instagram post of her isn't truly new. Mushu nearly died from neglect, which is the equivalent sickness that an Axolotl would get for say, when an impulsive teenager buys an Axolotl because they think it looks cool, and then suddenly doesn't want to take care of it anymore. An expert as she tries to come off to be, wouldn't experience this, they are on top of things with Axies. Mushu has become just another pet that Taylor doesn't spend much time with anymore, who probably gets sick frequently and it might be one reason why she just doesn't post about her.
Mushu's fungus and near death was obvious to me from Taylor not doing water changes, water tests, allowing Mushu to sit in warm Ammonia water for a long period of time (they need colder water), and potentially, not feeding her enough which made her immune system fail from lack of nutrition.
Axolotls are endangered, and there is zero excuse for her to treat such a critically threatened species like that. Taylor goes so long without posting her animals that are the stars of her little circus that her stories just can't up, and then she gets all butthurt when people wonder, why aren't you posting the stars of your show.
When axolotls were popular I considered getting one. But unlike Taylor I did my research and realized that they are endangered and difficult to care for well.
It pisses me off that a bunch of 12 year olds probably ran out and bought one because of her and they are most likely not being taken care of correctly at all. Taylor is promoting neglect and refuses to acknowledge it. I wish she would treat animals as living beings
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Notice the Ammonia bubbles at the top of the aquarium and NO aquarium fan or thermometer or even ice bottles to cool the tank. Taylor can actually afford an aquarium chiller for her Axolotl, yet she hasn't gotten her one but she always has her nails and hair done. "Do as I say, not as I do" - Taylor Dean. Mushu is also looking thin for a female Axolotl in this pic. Taylor posted this image while she was on tour with Jonny, so this picture could have been taken as far as we know, back when she first moved into her apartment complex.
That looks so much nicer than the set up she had before but then there's no actual point to it if the set up is minimum at best.
How very sad tbh
the fuck do you mean by ammonia bubbles? ammonia doesn't just gas out, it's in it's cation form in the water.
axolotls do need colder that room temperature water tho
Yeah, those bubbles are almost certainly from surface agitation from her filter.
Speaking of though, didn't she say she was going to switch Mushu to a sponge filter in her "I almost killed her" video? If she did, the best placement would be the middle there, and I don't see one.>>524269
Apparently there's a "fan on top" or something. I can't imagine that's sufficient, probably barely cancels out the heat from those fluorescent tank lights.
you can't really deduct water quality from what it looks like. a tank can be shit looking but still have pristine water chemistry.
i do wonder if she has ever tested the water. she doesn't even have a full understanding of the cycle as she has demostrated in her videos. hell, has she ever done water tests on her saltwater tanks?
She probably has that petco employee thing where she knows she should have a test kit, so she has one, but never bothers testing because "the fish look okay and I'm a great fishkeeper!"
She clearly doesn't know how cycles or filters work, when she switched to a sponge (or said she would) she said it'd mean doing more water changes. It shouldn't unless she got one that was too small, though, the only difference would potentially be more spot cleaning/gravel cleaning during regular changes because sponge filters don't produce the flow other types do. But I'm not sure why she thinks she'd need to do more, surface area for beneficial bacteria works the same way whether it's a sponge, canister, HOB, etc, and she should never have ammonia or nitrite, so any filter would produce the same nitrate levels with the same bioload.
>>524527>Abandoned a puppy she bought at a pet store after 2 days>Made biphobic comments saying bisexuality doesn't exist>Threw a tantrum when her mom chose to replace the floors she ruined instead of getting her a MacBook>Created and distributed child porn>Joked about sending guys to jail while she was dating a new guy every week while underage
The only reason she claims to love animals is that she desperately sought out fame in every way possible and this is the one that stuck.
She has always been a piece of shit. Her and Jonny are perfect for each other.
don't forget that one time she recorded in her parents bathroom because she didn't want to record in HER bathroom while saying that she hopes no one goes into her bathroom which she begins to say she needs her own place so she can record in peace.
idk but for me, this made her sound like a spoiled brat. like, "i have my OWN bathroom! but i want to use my parents bathroom, and i don't want them using my bathroom! UGH! i want my own place! feel bad for me!"
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Just saw this on Instagram. Apparently she's infamous where she lives, not surprising.
She sure as shit won't be showing her face at that store anymore
I doubt idubbz knows (or cares) that much about animals, so I can say with certainty that’s never going to happen and I wish people would stop tinfoiling that he’s scheming just because he follows her. He probably just thinks she’s hot, or likes seeing animal clips.
Pretty much all of his CC’s at this point have been on people who are universally known (and hated) across Youtube. Yeah Taylor has a million subs, but she’s fucking nothing at this point and with her upload schedule she’s not going to be anything any time soon. Her channel has barely grown since she hit a million almost five fucking months ago.
No one outside of the animal community knows or cares about her.
Yeah, not saying Idubbz doesn't know much about animals because I could be completely wrong, but whenever you view Taylor having limited knowledge of the subjects you have a different perspective.
I thought she was great and amazing until I saw her poor aquarium keeping skills as I got super involved with them (mixing incompatible fish multiple times) e.g. bush fish & female bettas/community tank, wrong female to male ratio of killifish resulting in the dominant killifish killing the rest, scuffed seahorse care, mixing reef fish with predator saltwater fish like her lionfish that could sting others (changed now but w/e), axolotl kept in warm temperatures, using stock lighting with corals (not rly the worst crime of all but with her knowledge/money idk why it was ever an issue, lights r the best thing about reef keeping haha), having a cowfish in general when you cant provide an environment for it sufficiently (fish should thrive not survive).
Is a big part of fish keeping fucking up (unfortunately) and learning your mistakes? Yes. Is it an acceptable excuse when you're making educational videos to a million people and making blatant mistakes that simply reading your comment section would rectify? No.
Long rant but, people don't know any better when they view things on face-level, explaining why a lot of youtubers like her. I learnt about her poor reptile husbandry from everyone on here, I didn't know any different
I definitely agree. Of the animals she keeps I only really know freshwater fish and cats, so until really recently with her kittens and community tank I didn't notice anything majorly wrong with her care. Just quick googling will tell you she's doing it wrong with most things she keeps, though most people don't google pets they don't keep/want to keep.
Also, if you only watch her youtube videos without following her on other social media it's harder to notice the problematic
trends in her keeping. One or two husbandry mistakes are common, but she has issues with basically EVERY setup and zero interest in changing.
Not that anon, but I am a former fan as well.
I do think she could've had the potential of becoming an educational yet fun channel on YouTube, even with all her skeletons in the closet.
I'm not exactly for this "callout" culture people do on famous YouTubers unless they keep displaying problematic
behavior, like Jeffree Star, so I think that even with all the shit she posted on fb she would've gotten away with it unscathed.
She was relatively unknown, but was fun and silly to watch plus she's hot by YouTube standards which was perfect for her brand. But the thing is she's gotten incredibly cocky and started to take on more things than she can actually handle plus JC's involvement with her (and her consecutive reaction about the situation) fucked her over.
She could've made educational videos about the pets she already had as well as talking about mental health issues. Genuinely there are way more things she could've done but instead she took the shortest path to end her career, before it even started.
Sage for blogging.
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What happened to JC's bearded dragon that Taylor bought him for Christmas? I don't recall ever seeing any pictures of it since this one she posted announcing it. I know it's JC's, but I couldn't find pics of it on her IG either.
Because she's an idiot that knows next to nothing about animals, or practically anything. She probably went in to impulse buy, saw the word "black" and bought it without giving a fuck about care. Probably threw away the receipt, Googled "black monitor care" and skimmed the first result.
Every time she buys a new pet recently it's something "she's wanted for so long". It's all made up bullshit. >>524787
Keep it for a few months while she gets attention for it. Then it will die or she will abandon it. Like every other pet she has owned.
This post in general is kind of a bad look for Taylor.
Getting animals for Christmas isn’t necessarily bad as long as you do research about it, but like everything else Taylor does I’m sure it spurred some of her fans to get Christmas pets
That beardie is way too young to tell the sex of yet. It's between 2 and 4 weeks old. You can't tell gender until they're around 4 - 6 MONTHS old. (All baby beardies look to be girls) Oh, Taylor, you're just showing your lack of knowledge even more.
Not only this, her videos actually lack any educational advices for taking further care of animals. She just talks about basic needs which you get from petco or something. When i started following her videos, all i got from her was what type of aquarium to get, what type of food, and what type of animal she got. My curiousity got to me and i started researching about snakes then that's when i realized she knows close to nothing about them. I didn't know you were suppose to quarentine them, look for mites, check poop, picking the right substrate, etc until i found other youtubers who are actually really dedicated to reptile care. Happy to find this thread knowing i'm not the only one to think she's nonsense
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Wow that is a gross simplification of the facts. I mean I hate her but calm tf down>>524779
Can a beardie sperg anon confirm that that baby is WAY too small to be sold? I believe at that stage they're super fragile and can die easily. Maybe Johnny killed the poor thing. :(
It's really not a "gross simplification." She literally did all of those things.
Including sending out nudes of herself, while underage.
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So, Chelsea posted the number publically on her twitter but it wasn't her screenshot, it was another girl Crystal. She seems to be friends with Chelsea or someway associated not sure how.
But she posted Jonny craig phoning her and harrassing her, and then posted this from a few months ago of Jonny/band mates harrassing her
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Jonnys band mate harrassing
IA, and I remember Taylor saying way back when she lived with her parents that she wouldn’t get a beardie because she did not have the space or something along those lines. Since that time she has moved somewhere smaller, filled that space with even more animals, and then suddenly just got a beardie on a whim for a man with zero experience taking care of himself let alone a reptile that Taylor herself admitted to not having the time/space for. She doesn’t give a fuck, she just couldn’t let there be a commonly owned reptile that she didn’t have. Gotta catch em all.
Agree with the other anon too about how she sounds defensive about the beardie being a morph. God forbid she buy or adopt an ugly old regular coloured lizard. As if there aren’t a million of them in Reptile rescues.
One of thes things is not like the other.
Sending out your own underage nudes is definitely dumb as hell, but it’s not necessarily something to call someone out for. She’s still as much of an attention whore, it’s not like she’s preaching not to do that shit, but someone posting their own nudes when they’re a dumb teenager isn’t indicative of her being a shitty person.
Inb4 some faggot things I’m Taylor because some of you hate her for stupid reasons
See the problem is, she brands herself as a family friendly pet youtuber, while having these kinds of things in her history. I mean, saying she was born to put boys in jail and posing practically nude *kind of contradicts everything "family friendly"
Her whole brand is a lie
I think it also goes to show that she has been seeking some kind of attention for her entire teen/adult life, whether it's extremely dangerous and unhealthy (ie Jonny & nudes & drugs) or constant stan validation and purchasing animals to be praised for.
If she didn't claim she was "family friendly" then I bet a whole bunch of people wouldn't have a problem with the way she presents herself now/in the past. At least then she wouldn't be trying to be 2-3 personas at once, while making bank from her Pet Mom youtube channel.
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That’s a still photo from the video of her talking about having her snake around her neck for three hours at a party at Vid con
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10+ year herper who owns a successful business around reptiles just got satanic leaf geckos because they weren’t ready for them until now. What makes Taylor think she’s qualified?
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She deleted this retweet fast.
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Tyler is such a passive aggressive ass kissing bitch for Taylor that I’m pretty sure him telling her to buy a new computer is poking fun at the “lol obviously you can’t buy a new computer that fast, they’re expensive” since Taylor recently had “computer issues”
But if that’s the case then he’s retarded, because Taylor more than likely can pull in a couple thousand a week if she gave a shit about a upload schedule. We honestly need to do a tally of all the insane shit she bought in the last half year
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They are an absolute mess lmao
I've never seen people who "break" more computers than youtubers. This is the most overused excuse in the book.. These technologically impaired people don't probably even realize when their computer is broken or when it just needs driver update or clearing cache or something like that.
Also, 2 grand for a computer?
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ur tracks are hangin right out fix ya weave bb
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Okay I feel like this one with Tyler replying was a long shot. But we all know how much Em loves to throw shade at Taytay. There’s literally no excuses anymore
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Look like Taylor’s gonna be taking a trip to Brazil soon
Yes. If you look at Taylors growth its starting to slow down. If she does not make regular videos..over time she will kill her channel.
Youtube rewords consistant uploads and thats whats Em is doing.
I wonder why Em never shows all the enclosures that her bf keeps all the animals in. Room tours are very popular right now.
From what I've noticed (which is tbh like two videos lmao), it's usually because either the animals are not in that same space, or because her boyfriend's animals are at his job or are just temporarily with him.>>525266
Yes. What Emzotic has on Taylor is that she's an actual educator and zookeeper. She has a lot of experience and respect for animals, and straight up tells you not to fuck with certain species if you're not qualified for them.
100% she’ll go and leave all her animals again, followed up by a week “vacation” in Brazil outside of tour dates (she might even buy an animal there and then refuse to go through the proper channels or quarantine it and just smuggle it back instead)
For someone who apparently is so mature and self sufficient that they don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy, she sure can’t be away from him for more than three days at a time.
I also think it’s hilariots that Taylor keeps recommending Fromm to people when she doesn’t own a dog and they don’t even sell it at Petco
so I doubt she knows shit about it and only praises it because she knows Tyler feeds it to his rescue mix.
Well, correction, her family
had two dogs and she owned one for a few weeks before leaving it at home. But judging by the fact the dogs bonded more to her family, I doubt she ever spent time with them, let alone fed them. If anything if someone in her family gave them Fromm she’s just parroting what they said. Fromm really isn’t that different from other dog food brands, but they sell it at vets and those fancy dog treat bakeries so I assume that’s why people think it’s better
Fromm is sold in PetLand where I'm from, which is a huge puppy mill store. It's kind of like Blue Buffalo, can't find it in thr big 2 but now it's getting popular so soon it will be bought by IAMS and made shit, but also available at Petco.
Taylor probably is obsessed with it because it's generally a recommended food if you google "best dog food." She probably searched once what to feed Kida, saw that as the first result, and stuck to it like a stalker you don't want.
good food, but youcan getthe same or better for cheaper. FROMM is just designer pet food, all the mark up with little extra effort.
Because in most instances making your own food isn’t the best for the animal. There are very few veterinarians who recommend raw diets because they aren’t nutritionally balanced, can cause a lot of issues with supplementation, and have a lot of health risks involoved (ie foreign bodies, pathogens). >>525557
I hate to break it to you but most foods are the same and just because a company says that it’s different doesn’t mean that it is. A lot of foods are exactly the same composition just sold in different bags, which includes your “homemade” companies.
Sage for Blogposting and not much relevance to Taylor
Obviously they have ingredients lists but those are based off of weight at the time of processing/ making. Meaning that sure chicken could be the first ingredient but once it’s all made, it’s not the most prevelant ingredient in there. If you’re going off of guaranteed analysis, which is inaccurate in itself, it’s always based on a dry matter basis.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what food you buy as long as your meeting the nutritional requirements of your pet
I just explained why most DOESN'T meet the nutritional requirements. Maybe you should shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm done now because you can't win when arguing with idiots.>>525616
I’ve heard BB being sold st Walmart maybe that’s what you’re thinking
I also don’t think the anons were saying it’s bad they just said they didn’t understand what the big deal about it was. Also like they said it’s not sold at Petco so I doubt Taylor knows anything about it. But no one said the food was shitty so I don’t know what you’re implying
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Idk why you're proud of that, i'd be slightly embarrassed. You actually were able to contact her and she seen it and you decided to just insult her personality despite reading this thread and knowing that there was many valid criticisms you could have made to her.
By telling her to kill herself you've made yourself look stupid. If you were smarter, you would of made valid points. Smart people don't abuse/insult people personally.
if she does read this thread and she sees your from here, its going to downplay every valid comment we've made about her animal husbandry.
As for that idiot. I agree with >>525793
Going back to Taylor, >>525768
sooner or later, she won't have enough videos with ad revenue that would keep up with her lifestyle. So, she can say this all she wants but later on.. she's just gonna be that girl that no one believes anymore and will try to hold onto Jonny as long as she can while he spends all her remaining money until he finds someone else that has a bigger wallet.
Oh for sure. She hit a million five or six months ago and already her channel growth has been laughable considering she’s in the top eshalon of YouTubers.
The most pathetic thing is that she took a “mental health break” to go fuck off with Jonny on tour and because the reception to what she did wasn’t asspats she immediately is going on another break. It just shows that she couldn’t give a shit about her fans and she’s already way too complacent in being ungrateful and bitchy
If Youtube ever falls through for her, she’ll have to get a regular entry level minimum wage job and no more splurging on designer pets and jewelry or expensive trips every other weekend
Yup, i actually follow a few youtubers who have a large amount of subscribers that post everything because they say that youtube has been tough on getting videos monetized. So, when they have to travel somewhere or take breaks, they record/edit multiple videos before leaving so their channel still come out with videos everyday while they're away.
The rate that Taylor is doing with her channel, She'll run outta money the quicker she keeps up with what she's currently doing. Once her channel is done, She'll start looking for pet stores to work in, but if she's calling out all these stores she will probably have a hard time looking and probably end up at Mcdonalds or something.
and a part of me can't wait for it.
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Obviously this isn’t true for the 10 million and over YouTubers like pewdiepie or whatever, but I heard that even YouTubers with other a million subs struggle pulling in a couple thousand a month, which is why they go for sponsorships and sell merch and release stupid shit like music and books for a quick cash grab
Taylor’s merch is so dumb and overpriced I doubt she sells much and I don’t see her ever collabing or working with other brands anymore
Even her social blade says her total activity has been down 30% in the last month
Blogging, Jonny and Taylor both want a posh life, neither can deal without it, neither work hard to obtain it and expect people to adore them and fork over money despite both having gross reputations at this point. If Taylor were smart, she would have tried to build her credit and bought a house at the beginning, not move into some rich apartment complex to impress Jonny, the complex where the neighbors already are annoyed with her screaming matches with Jonny and covering herself in snakes on her deck like the attention whore she is.
Her loving animals has all become a facade just to a make a paycheck, and I think her buying the Monitor lizard was a desperate attempt to bring in some more cash flow. Her savings is probably suffering with as little content as she can manage anymore and with Jonny's and her own major purchases. Jonny getting new expensive built in dentures with his first post of such of him flipping the bird, illustrated very little how grateful he was for receiving them and just truly how much he uses Taylor. Her name has money bags around it on his instagram. I bet Taylor will try to move back in with her family once her savings bottoms out, like the mooching loser she is, but of course she can't take her rapist boyfriend with her, and he'll dump her because she can't give him the lifestyle he expects. Doubt he'll be able to find another girl who once had the same wealth with his liver failure and rapist reputation slowly catching up to him everywhere he goes.
Pretty much, and for all we know, she probably bought a new one and replaced him already after he died. Hence why he's still a lot smaller than he should be at present time. >>525816
Holy… Crap. Taylor, are you even smart enough to check your Social Blade? Do you even understand the plummet of numbers and how much worse it's going to get with your schedule?
Though I really don’t know why people in this thread are acting like it would have gone any differently if the anon was constructive with their message.
We know she reads here and very obviously cherry picks and makes strawman arguments about how all we do is make mean comments about her appearance and call animal services or whatever gets her the most pity points. Same with everyone who attempts to get her attention on Twitter. The only reason anon got her attention was because it feeds into the narrative of poor innocent Taylor just being bombarded with unwarranted hate.
I agree. Not that I support sending actual hate messages, but EVERYONE with any kind of following gets random hate like that. EVERYONE. That's just what being on the internet is like, if you can't ignore it then mild youtube fame isn't for you.
The difference is that Taylor ALSO gets legit criticisms about supporting a rapist and having subpar animal care, but she's too narcissistic to differentiate and lumps all negative attention together as people bullying her because people are just so mean.
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Anyone remember what happened with her puffer fish?
Can someone who isnt blocked try asking her plz, I COMPLETELY forgot about this. Anyone got anymore info/the vid that the tank is from?
Puffers are predators, and are actually pretty much assholes in terms of their behaviour to other species. Cute, but complete assholes.
That tank is bit small for the puffer to thrive fully grown, DEFINITELY too small to make non-hostile interaction possible between the predator/prey fish. Doubt she has the time/consideration to properly monitor an aquarium.
She also had hermit crabs (which enclosure was innapropiated for them btw)
The video feature on my feed, sorry for giving views but it caught my eyes the puffer https://youtu.be/Fux0tU2rCaA
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I'm not expert on drugs but isn't that weed? Or am I just dumb?
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Also, isn’t jonny not supposed to be “drinking gluten”
Since when is this impressive? Lmao
I live where weed is legal and you get shit like that for free when you order deliveries. Less, but still. No one is impressed.
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for those who dont feel like googling her social blade, her subs and views are going WAY down
Pretty sure they were in la yesterday and it’s legal here too so… still not impressive at all. Loving the sober lifestyle of a heroin addict………………
Also loving how Taylor is finally in LA, not getting cheese tattooed by Romeo “her tattoo artist” who is “one of the best” (can safely say his work is overall pretty SHIT) and a fan is somewhere out there fucking with a cheese tattoo!!! Truly blows my mind
Sage for what feels like blogging
Isn't she supposed to be getting a giant ass crocodile tattoo?
I hope I run into her while she's here so I can call her out on being an animal killer in person.
After reading these comments I gave in and listened to True Colors.
This is the kind of emo shit I would've been into in high school. Too bad his behavior has fucked him and his whole band over lmao.
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Did anyone happen to catch what his so called “rude message” was. If it wasn’t worth it Jonny maybe you shouldn’t have even wrote it in the first place. But you never learned the phrase “think before you speak” did you?
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Holy fuck she looks and sounds dead in the gecko vid.
And why the fuck is she misting the tank FOUR times a day? That’s absurd. They only need it once or twice.
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More young fans being inspired by Tay to get hard to care for animals on a whim, why do these comments trigger me so much.
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Am I tinfoil or is this in a fucking car? The weird patch of light, her legs, it looks like the background is the back of a seat with the little folder type pouch? She did not bring a snake on tour, right?? Right?
Before 2016, her male kuda seahorse (which have a 1-5 yr lifespan) Mystery died. She claims because of amonia poisoning while she was out of town. She also claimed her male seahorse Nova had a miscarriage in a September 2016 video.
November that year she made an “seahorse abortion video” about Nova. She claims her female seahorse Misty went from perfectly healthy to dead. She gave her two female erectus seahorses (which have a lifespan of 1-4 yrs) to an aquarium shop. She also said in this video she’d had seahorses for a year. She accidentally aborted Nova’s fry. She included a clip of him acting panicked, and claimed it was due to his response to the medicine she’d given him believing he had a parasite, but male seahorses always act distressed before labor, which can take hours or even days. In March 2017, she reintroduced her female erectus seahorses and in the description of the video, claimed Nova “lost the fight” to the unnamed parasite. So that made three seahorses that we know of that died in her care.
2018, January, she made a video with the description “ALL OF MY PETS.” There were no seahorses in that video. Which means, as of March this year, it has been a year since her two female erectus seahorses were seen. They’re almost certainly dead, too. Which makes five total seahorses dead in her care after two years- when their lifespan should be 4 or 5 yrs in captivity.
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I was thinking the same thing, you can see the edge of the front seat in this one
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Taytays my favorite cow lately because she's so up her own ass, she can't even deflect a simple observation correctly. She'd sooner quit youtube than actually address the well-being of her own hoard.
(Sage for blogging?) I don’t know if it’s just me but I feel like any other animal owner spends at least a few minutes of their free time a day sitting and watching their animals just because they think they’re cool and want to see what they’ll do.
The fact she only seems to take them out for glamour shots is kind of disingenuous. It’s less “wow this animal is so cute/funny/cool” and more “look at how EDGY my animal is”
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They are talking about this snake
And the link she put is a photo of the snake back in January (to show she didn't just bought) even if the person got it wrong about the snake it is right.
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This made me laugh
This is actually something that bothers me about Taylor. People say that her animals only take minutes a day to care for. Yes, that's true if all you do is throw some food at them instead of using feeding time as an opportunity to give everyone a quick inspection and to check if their set up is still functioning properly. >>526414
So she basically just made the case for why anyone would say she uses animals as accessories. Dear god, the lack of self awareness…
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It's so bad, it makes me feel bad for her dumb fan who got it.
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lol I was going to say this is a much better piece. Larger so it can have more detail. Might not hold up considering it's position, but will holdup a lot better than Taylor's.
Also looks like they copied the snake design. Bet Taylor's pissed.
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It's stylised but it's supposed to be a venomous snake like in most traditional tattoos.
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Taylors hands are definitely puffed up like Jonnys
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Heres a photo of her hand before she was with Jonny for comparison
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Going through her old tags.. None of these videos are still public on her channel. They're from 2015
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Feel like she's going to regret that in 5-10 years. Especially when she wants to get into a profession that requires looking clean and professional. As for someone who have tattoos and is in health care, i would never place it on any part that is hard to cover up when i'm at work.
i think she looks better in those photos than the made up ones.
having been on tour, it's a huge pain in the ass if you have a lengthy shower/beauty routine, especially if you're sharing rooms and showers. you're going to inconvenience other people. streamlined packing and routines are a must.
it's probably not because jonny won't 'allow' her. most narcissists want their arm candy looking as good as possible because it makes them look more attractive in their eyes.
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They were in my city last night and jonny is a fucking manlet lmao. No wonder he acts out, he's so Goddamn small
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She claims she wants to get a cheese tattoo next. She's literally only posting this because she got criticism for being in LA and not getting the tattoo done like she said she would. If no one said anything she would have never even made this post, but she needs to make sure her brainwashed fans think she's actually loyal to them.
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Her job is so difficult, especially considering she uploads maybe once a month and has admitted her friend “works along side her” to take care of the animals even when she’s home.
Wow why are her fans delusional?!
I know people that work actual jobs with animals that are supposed to be 9-5 jobs but will often stay hours after they're being paid to stay there if something is wrong with one of the animals, and they come in on the weekends unpaid to check on the animals, Taylor is certainly no saint for looking after animals she's chosen to have in her personal life. Doing youtube is her 'job' but looking after her animals isn't. That's a commitment she can't just walk away from like quitting a job or taking a vacation off work (although she seems to think its acceptable)
sage for blogging about how theres too many examples of better people than Taylor
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She should try having a full time job for a change. I have 12 animals and I work 40 hours a week. Anyways, Taylor is probably the most lazy person I've ever seen with forty animals. I have no doubt that some people can look after that many animals and have a job, but Taylor does not seem capable of either.
On another note, she really needs to get her story straight about how her animals are being looked after when she's away. From what I gather, it seems someone who can't tell a roughneck from a blackthroat is looking after them, and with Jonny's Brasil tour coming up, who knows how long she'll be gone this year.(blogposting)
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Wonder who this is directed towards.
Has she had anything done other than her lip fillers? Maybe I'm just dumb but in the brunette pic she looks like a completely different person
I might be remembering a different cow but did Taylor ever talk about wanting to be a model? To me at least in the before pic I would believe she was one.
Not sure why this is marked as blogposting but ok>>526739
Another pet peeve of hers seems to be when people ARE bothered by something (her animal care in particular) and speak up about it :/
> “What she does is so tough”
What, her youtube job where she sits in front of the camera and rambles for twenty minutes (because she doesn’t write scripts or plans anything), barely waits and barely uploads two videos a week, or her taking care of her animals?
Both of which are her own choice, so it’s not like I feel fucking bad for her.
It looks like she's probably gotten at least some cheek fillers as well. watch some of the old videos and she looks like a totally different person than both of those photos. it is pretty crazy. >>526762
Kyle's gf is. Not sure about others, but it's fairly common for gfs to come and go while the bands are on tour
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If she fucking gets one of those snakes I wouldn’t be surprised
sage for speculation, but since Johnny seems to be a first "longterm"/live-in bf it's possible the hand swelling and at least some of the face changes are from birth control. That >>526537
side by side pic definitely looks like her face is filled out more (in addition to the lip fillers) and bc can do that
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Something I just thought of. He really doesn’t look like he’s grown at all. He’s wild-caught and she never mentioned anything about treating him for parasites at all. And of course she never quarantined him plus doesn’t wash her hands between opening different enclosures, so if he does have parasites it’s only a matter of time before her other snakes have them too.
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I’m convinced she wants to have at least one snake to feed live because in her mind it’ll gain her more “respect” from hardcore idiots who think that’s what owning a snake is about.
It will become a good excuse for a clickbaity video too “Why I have to feed my snake live 😞” and a big boohoo story about how hard it is for her as if she hasn’t been foaming at the mouth to do it.
“It’s sooo hard because it hurts to feed live every time since I also have a mouse and I love him so much”
Then why not put him in a larger enclosure?
Yeah and not only does he have to deal with the pain of the physical bite, he gets to feel the pain of it getting infected because monitors have a load of bacteria in their bites/mouths sorta like komodo dragons to an extent.
Not only do I think Taylor took on an animal too difficult for her, she didn't think of her/her bf/her other animals safety. Once they bite they lock down aswell & they're hard to get off, idk how she thinks shes able to be strong enough to handle that without it doing serious damage.
one bite and it would be a 20 minute video about how her monitor bit her and she couldnt handle the danger of it and rehomed it to someone more capable.
I know girls who have gone on tour with bands that have longer hair than her, but they still manage to do their hair and makeup. A lot of them will literally go in the venue's bathroom and do it.
I'm not saying anything about her looks, but it's funny to me that every time she's out somewhere with Jonny, she either isn't made up or the makeup job looks horrible.
The Komodo dragon does not have a septic bite. A 2013 study found no such bacteria present. It's likely that the monitor bite bacteria is similar. Intact, their mouths are cleaner than most mammals.
Cat bites are way more dangerous infection wise. Mamals are worse that reptiles likely because they don't frequently replace their teeth. Not that you'd want a monitor to bite you…
Here's a good summary post on Komodo dragons: https://imgur.com/gallery/RUeB9
Also, I swear to god. She better not have had a pregnant woman cleaning litter boxes. Toxoplasmosis is super dangerous for a developing fetus and comes from exposure to cat shit. And kittens treat their litter boxes like a playground, so they better have been far away from her.
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Lmao oddly specific complaint. How petty can you be? Is this seriously worth tweeting about? So fucking passive aggressive
No wonder her fans are all 12 she acts like she's in middle school
Just talk to the person directly jfc
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She posted this a month ago and still hasn't gotten the tattoo. Idk if anyone covered this yet, but Taylor literally doesn't hold up any of her promises to her fans. She literally acts as if everything is too hard for her and she cant do simple things; such as constantly taking breaks from everything and constant excuses as to why she cant do simple things (making a video). If Taylor keeps this up, are her fans going to realize that she doesn't care about them or her animals, only her image?
Sage for not really contributing/ranting
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Em’s throwing some shade about the whole wild caught situation now…
(Safe because not Taylor-specific)
Dude she brought it up a month ago, but she made the actual promise six or seven months ago.
No surprise she hasn’t actually done it though since it doesn’t fit with her edgy aesthetic
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JONNY GOT ARRESTED
Apparently Taylor can’t bail him out, someone on twitter said he has to go to court or something I’m not familiar with AZ laws
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She's acting like everything's fine
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his court listing
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I was thinking this was her, possibly wearing a hat
Lol, not that they would drug test him, but even if they did its not like they could charge him for it, unless he's still on probation from his felony narcotics charge? Which I don't think is likely considering it happened in 2011 but who knows. >>527936
The worst part about these videos are the cringey fan girl screams
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I can just imagine TayTay begging the venue not to call the police and insisting she would pay for all the damage
Haha, literally! If that is her in the black hat (?) when the security say "relax guys, the cops are already here." you can here her (?) shout "WHAT?"
care to show some comparison pictures? i went through her instagram looking for cheese earlier as well, but only noticed that he didn't have spots when taylor first got him, which is pretty normal for fish imo..
i think she definitely would replace cheese if anything ever happened to him, but i'm not convinced it has already happened.
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Old picture of cheese
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Most recent picture of cheese
Interesting, you'd think they'd get more coloration with age but the dark spot under his mouth has gone?
I know nothing about fish either but thats interesting
In his mindset, he can do whatever he wants to do cuz he got a sugamama to pay his bail, fees, and all the money he owes. Not only that, they have children defending whatever they do because they're just "taking a break"
Sage for no new info
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idk man, the spots line up pretty well
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lol these comments
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how much you wanna bet that top comment is queen taylor? since she spends all day googling their names anyway it wouldn't be
too far fetched that she found this article
Guy has all the shitty qualities of a stereotypical thug while being a monumental lightweight. Fitting that he got arrested for slamming a mic on the ground during an toddler-grade meltdown.
Bonus: the number of people in that vid pissed off about the show being over was laughably small. Most seemed more upset about their night ending prematurely than giving a shit about Jonny. Fucking lol. Well done, Arizona.
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The venue claims they didn't cut the set, the cops showing up did. I've known bands to cut the last day's sets short so that they can party their asses off on the last day so not too uncommon, although shitty for fans.
The link I posted was an old one that I found on twitter, the video of him choking the fan was months ago.
He got arrested for acting equally as violent/stupid at another venue. Heres the news link to that http://lambgoat.com/news/29709/Slaves-Frontman-Jonny-Craig-Reportedly-Arrested-In-Arizona
'We just made sure everyone was safely leaving the venue while our frontman was being arrested dw dw''
You can tell Taylor is embarrassed by this as she hasn't mentioned it, and you can't even blame her. She's so lucky most of her YouTube subscribers don't follow her tbh
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Update on his court case, he's been dismissed
Meh, I both can and can’t blame her. She willingly entered a relationship with a druggy, rapist, trashy human being. Like what other kind of behavior do people expect from him? That’s good ol JC for ya. I hope this helps expose him to what a shitty person he really is so she brightens the fuck up and leaves. Then again, she probably feeds off this shit and he is so incredibly manipulative that he is doing everything he can to make it seem like HE’s the victim in all this.
Sage for blogging
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Fuck man my bad lmao. Thought I added it in before typing the message.
Anyways, surprised nothing yet had been heard since Jonny got bailed out by Taylor. Everyone is probably still coming up with some BS story to cover their tracks.http://shockwavemagazine.com/charges-slaves-jonny-craig-dismissed/
His charges were supposedly dropped? So he got away with damaging the venue?
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3 most dangerous words known to man.
Watch this be like ''the band was using drugs backstage something we don't allow''
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Apparently this is nothing out of the ordinary for him and he’s just repeating the cycle
LOL seriously, this is what they call a “tour”.
Jesus what pathetic behavior for a 31 year old. Acts like a defiant 12 year old.
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Yeah, both Amanda and Chelsea have said that him living with Taylor was the honeymoon phase and that shit always hits the fan during their tours.
They also explained that tours happen that often because Jonny blows the cash on drugs, clothing, and luxury items, which is why he moves in with the women he's just entered into a relationship with since he can't be on a lease due to his criminal record.
Taylor knows damn well he's not sober, but I imagine she thinks she's the one who'll finally fix him and prove everybody else that with the power of love and dedicaion he's finally free of his demons or whatever.
Venue: They were on schedule, but during the show Jonny and his crew started to cause havoc on stage. We don't tolerate any type of violence, so we tried to contain it but the police had to be involved.
Jonny: BuT WeeE WANTED To CONTINUE THE PARRTYY and THEY Wouldnt LET US!!!! Waaahhhh!
That was his power move? Delicately unplug the mics and then half-heartedly spike them on the ground? The second-hand embarrassment is real.>>528281
When they announced the venues, a ton of people were saying the spaces Slaves booked were super trashy and could only fit a few dozen people at most. This was a seriously rinky-dink tour, esp for a guy who flexes more than ppl who sell out actual stadiums do.
Honestly I wonder if that’s the main reason she’s still with him. Besides the angsty teenager that dates bad boys thing. She wants to be seen as the one woman who could handle Jonny when no one else could. The saint who changed him for the better. In a previous thread it was brought up that she probably likes to be seen as “the snake charmer”. Jonny is this bad boy savage guy, but he’s also Taylor’s sweet little angel.
Ugh. Sage for ranting but their relationship is just gross. I found Taylor around a year ago and saw a lot of potential in her. But see through her bullshit now that I couldn’t see through before.
I’m always unsure if that’s why she decided to be with him or if it’s cause she just doesn’t care at all. i remember how her mom metioned that taylor wanted the “rockstar experience” or whatever and be rebellious or something. Cause you know, snorting shit with your boyfriend backstage is just so cool.
wouldn’t be suprised if that was her initial intention but she didn’t exactly think it through and realize that it would damage reputation. Or maybe she did but she just doesn’t care
I think it's because she's too proud to admit it was a bad decision to make.
It's pretty obvious to read through the whole ordeal if you piece everything together. According to her mom, she wanted the rockstar experience and that much seems to be true since she's parading around at venues and hoping people recognize her.
And yeah, she wants to be seen as the exception in a troubled man's life. Despite her being promiscuous and a liar when she lived with her parents, she was still pretty much sheltered. All these things are the outcome of that. But the thing is Jonny is an abuser who got with her less than a month after leaving Chelsea. He was never sober to begin with. He's just """"""behaving"""""" because his girlfriend is a youtuber. He may not be using but he's still getting hammered. He's still getting some sort of high, and Taylor is enabling it because she sees it as "helping him through his recovery".
Sage for blogging.
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I wanted to see if there was any good milk on the FB event thread. Usually when things like this happen, there's some posts on the page. But not this time…and it looks like it's because hardly anyone went! Of course FB events aren't accurate, but usually there's at least more "interested"!
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Well when you google black throat monitor it says it 'normally has a mild temperment'. she probably didn't think about the fact that people who own monitors spend ALOT of time training them to be that way & thought shes gonna have a big cuddly lizard that she can make cute videos with. Taylor would probably grab the monitor and piss it off trying to get a photo with it.
you also see a video of someone sitting with their blackthroat on their chest while watching tv. this is actually the same guy who got bit by the semi-tame blue-tailed monitor and got a gaping hole in his hand despite years of experience
Leaf Insect deceased too
And tea cup chihuahua
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He says "fuck the police" at the end
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Salem is the Mexican Black Kingsnake, I think.
And holy shit that's a ton of animals. And more specifically, a ton of separate enclosures and a ton of mammals that need time consuming enrichment. Fishkeepers can aquire a lot of fish fast because once you set up an aquarium, you can keep multiple things in it and lots of things if it's the right size aquarium (which hers aren't.) For example, I have something like 400+ animals, but that's because I have shrimp and snails breeding in three reasonably large aquariums. It's not like maintaining 400 separate animals. If she had big enough tanks, amount of fish would be fine (though her freshwater stocking is a disaster and a half.)
Almost none of her other animals are like that though. I bet the reptile enclosures aren't properly monitored for humidity/temp given that her "expert assistant" picked out the wrong kind of monitor in the video and kept calling caimans crocodiles or whatever. And there's no way the mammals are getting the attention or time outside cages they need while Taylor's away (or likely while she's there…) especially those kittens, which at this age should get a lot of human interaction to keep them from getting into stuff they shouldn't and to properly socialize them with people.
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the lyrics from the point shes at are interesting lol.
You and all your friends all hate me, oh
Thinkin' that you're better when I'm not around
Hear me on the radio and turn it down, oh
I can't help the way you made me
Hope that she believin' in the truth you found
Thinkin' that you want us 'cause I can't find out,oh
I hope hopeless changes over time
sorry tay I don't think the hopelessness of your abuser drug addict is changing over time…
From the lyrics:
"You and all your friends all hate me, oh
Thinkin' that you're better when I'm not around"
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Did she dump Jonny?
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My first thought was that she’s finally lost her shit
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Apparently Taylor may have paid 10k to get Jonny's charges dropped. Or at least someone may have, and I bet it wasn't JC himself.
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What is her mom talking about? I assume it has something to do with Jonny’s tour
If he's drunk and high all the time maybe he can't recall. Maybe that's why Taylor was able to lie about where she got Ghost the kitten with Jonny present when the purchase happened lmao. Duuur I don't remember, I just remember we went to Denny's and Petco flips middle finger
. She can probably lie about a lot of things in front of him because of it.
She could totally still save some of her youtube career, the majority of her fans seem to be 12 year olds who don't care what she's doing and people who only follow her youtube and don't know what she's doing. If she dumped JC and gets/stays clean of drugs, she could fix her animal care a bit (what happened to those racking systems we've been hearing about since she moved in but haven't seen?), put out videos at least once a week or so, and start making money again. If she were smart she'd save and/or use that money to go at least get an associates degree or some higher education to give her a start on a future after youtube. But she doesn't seem smart, so we'll probably see an "I WAS IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP! ~PITY ME~" video, followed by nothing about her animals for another 4 months.
sage for speculation.
Guys look at the date, and the previous comment that comment was replying to. Anon was posting that as proof in order to update the running list given earlier of animals she currently has/has acquired since 2014.
(That being said I wouldn't be surprised if she DID lose animals while away, but I would probably be surprised if she admitted it.)
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Jonny isn’t in her twitter about me anymore
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So now we know she was standing close enough to the stage to get into a shoving fight with other people.
You’d think someone with EDS and CRPS wouldn’t be that much of an idiot, butshe was probably standing in the crowd to tell everyone who so much as walked past her that Jonny was her boyfriend
Why am I so happy about that oh my god.
Hoping she will not let him back in when he starts to try and manipulate her again
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Yeah she's going with the whole "Dropped the mic" thing too.. anyone know how to tweet her that vid?
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To the anons calling a breakup. Idk… she's pretty defensive of him. I'd be surprised if this was the reason for their breakup. I was expecting more before she'd leave.
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Jonny is still on her insta… Maybe she's considering dumping him but is afraid to do so. It is a bit of a coincidence that she's liking posts which seem to indirectly relate to Jonny right after this whole event, but I dont think she's totally smartened up yet. Once Jonny goes hard on the drugs and acts like a jerk to her she may officially leave, but it's hard to determine now considering what's being depicted right now. Hopefully more milk will spill by the end of the day, because oh has it been pouring lately.
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sage for nothing new but lol the chick who got shut down is some stan i found in tay's tag professing their stannitude.
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Maybe he is threatening to leave her? And she is trying to convince him to stay
I dont know this all seems pretty weird, her liking and retweeting things about breaking up/cheating and taking him out of her bio yet she’s still defending him
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So much qwerky ness wow
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She doesn't waste any opportunity to creep on other people fans
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Did he remove the money bags or it was always like that the description?
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Doesn't seem like sarcasm whatsoever
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>do you ever just realize things
I wish she'd just say what happened, it has to be Johnny
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projecting on her fish?
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Yeah, she deleted it. As well as this one >>528872
Also, not really related but she's trying to collab/make friends with other YouTubers that are more popular than her again.
Oooo I hate acacia, so let me tell you the things she’s done to her pets.
1) she screamed at her dog during a younow and then threw stuff at him.
2) she left her cat alone for four days with ant infested food and crappy water.
3) she allowed her cat, Sebastian, get gingivitis so bad that he had infections and had to get all (except 4) of his teeth extracted.
4) when her dog luci ingested parts of her toys she didn’t take her to the vet, she went to twitter and asked her unqualified followers. She then never followed up with the vet even though something internal could have happened
5) she doesn’t exercise her dog at all and doesn’t work with her.
Though it’s not abuse, she bought all of her dogs from a breeder and she has never fixed any of her pets which can cause a lot of health issues in the future.
Sage for blog posting and having not relevance to Taylor
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More of what Taylor’s been liking
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I just checked Taylor's twitter, and Jonny is in Taylor's bio. Seems like they got over whatever caused her to remove it in the first place.
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His comment on one of his latest Instagram pics.
Well he's obviously not going to let her go that easily. He literally doesn't have a home.
And of course she'll fall for it.
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GDI Taylor! I knew it was too good to be true
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Her fans are triggered
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Meanwhile, her mom is posting dozens of song lyrics and listing her favorite animals…
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She was probably praying they’d fully break up though.
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Did they both delete all tweets about the incident? Because I made this handy gif of Jonny 'dropping' the mic to reply with, but they seem to all be gone.
What do any of her fans mean when they say she has a “special heart” or is “the nicest person? She impulse buys animals so she can brag about it on the internet, prioritizes her own wants to travel and party and buy expensive luxury stuff over putting her animals in enclosures that meet the minimum
requirements, treats her own fans
like shit when they ask basic questions, retweets praise directed at her nonstop, routinely blows off her only job
for months at a time yet refuses to do things like film ahead of time or get an editor or assistant to help her. She’s just another ungrateful, non humble YouTuber that loses any semblance of work ethic they had because they have the freedom to make their own schedule, and think that they’re untouchable because they have an army of kid fans
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I don't know why she replied to this. She said before that she was back home.
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She also liked this tweet by Em and this other girl.
you should tag it so it comes up under "mic drop" whenever someone searches
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Does she literally sit there and dig throw popular posts looking for any person who is twitter verified?
I love how his band mates seem to look at each other and almost laugh?
Must be normal behaviour
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The hilarious thing is that he’s just not even replying to her
i wonder if there's any youtubers/certified twitters that find her annoying but reply to her so they don't come off as rude?
because if i were one, i would find her really thirsty and annoying..
She doesn’t even try to hide that she’s an annoying social climber lol
I never see her complimenting people or trying to have a conversation, it’s just “lol we should totally hang out and collab!!!!” Or hijacking other people’s conversations and injecting herself into it
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random pic i found on facebook from the first few shows. funny how jonny still covers his mouth with the new teeth.
I don't know her personally and i'm already getting some sort of second-hand embarrassed/annoyance from her always trying to inject herself into tweets from guys that are twitter certified. Makes her look like a needy slut or something.
I've seen about 3 other guys on twitter she was annoying.
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One of the few guys that she annoys. Just imagine you're just minding your business and she comes out joking and taking your phone just to "hack" your twitter.
This isn't highschool anymore Taylor, you are a grownass woman.
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He thinks this is cute? I'd love to hear how he was the victim in any of his relationships!
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Yes! And seeing good people like Mitch Lucker go while Jonny is still here makes me question my faith
Also, the mic video made me google Jonnys height- no wonder he's an addict, I would be too if I were a man the size of a lot of high school freshmen. There's something about Jonny being the same height as me that I find hilarious. Jonny is angry at the world and takes it out on women because he knows that any adult man who Jonny would/could step to could cartoonishly throw that man-baby around.
Ah, of course…he's a manlet. Really explains a lot.
hahahahahaaaa! he's hobbit size
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Here he is with a Took. Hahahahah
Sage for old photo
He will be dry af before getting back together with Taylor,he seems like he doesn't share his money or payback
I can even imagine him spending all his money on drugs taking advantage of the broke up so he doesn't share his drugs with Taylor.
Does she not realize there is literally a video of him unplugging the mics and spiking them hard onto the ground?
Or is this the usual Taylor lies as casually as other people breathe type shit?
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Searching Jonny Craig on twitter is hilarious right now. It's almost all negative.
"Lizard Taylor is gonna be eating her words like crickets"
LOLOL if anyone makes a photo of that, that'll be the new thread photo.
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your wish is my command, dear anons
apologies it's late and i rushed a bit on it
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fucking short man syndrome
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On Taylor’s Instagram story, looked up the lyrics they’re abour taking drugs (oxy specifically) but still being okay
Is it weird that right now is the first time I’m seeing how like how scarred her arm looks?
This picture for the next thread plz
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Em throwing shade at Taylor. She’s so fucking annoying when she keeps trying to prove she’s down to earth and how much she loves animals and doesn’t care about money. Basically always trying to prove she’s better than Taylor which she is but she tried too hard
I don’t get how emzotic can be “an expert” but soak her snakes for stuck sheds. That’s just a bad thing to do.
Sage for irrelevance
Now back to Taylor
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Idk how to save stories so…
Yes, let's force someone–who obviously doesn't want to–to hold a snake. There's no chance of dropping them by accident from shock of fear. /sarcasm
Also, is it just me or is her insta story is forced, just to let everyone know she's home? She can fool her tween fans, but i know she just stops by, takes a few photos with her raptor claws, and goes off with her hobbit of a bf.
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This is were she almost drop it
Also, her voice sounds weird, maybe she have the throat irritated from the yelling at the venue but she sounds like her mother kek
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Here's right as she almost dropped him
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"Here take him he is nice"
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Btw are synthetic plants okay with axolots?
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She and all the other pet youtubers woobify and infantilize these snakes as “uwu spooky danger noodles” and then dumbasses like Taylor turn out to be hypocrites and rather than educate about how snakes only become aggressive when threatened, they prank people who are obviously terrified and feed into the stigma of snakes being terrifying
I’m sorry, the stigma that “snakes cause pain” as Taylor would say
Late reply but i just remembered the movie Shrek, and instantly lol'd that Jonny is basically Lord Farquaad. >>529838
I feel really bad for her pets. She probably picks them up from their slumber every chance she gets and swing them around like she wants to be Snow White or something.
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I think this is the girl Tay forced to grab the snake, what a good friend
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Does Tyler think this is funny?
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Taylor's likes. But she's absolutely not on drugs, guys.
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Does anyone else realize she likes to use the word mean? She sounds like a first grader, “That kid is being meannnnn to me.” Like, you’re an adult, stop using elementary language to manipulate people.
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She's so fucking snarky
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Another one. Her holier than thou attitude is gross.
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What an absolute egotist.>H-haha if I just act super sarcastic and exaggerate whatever criticisms people have towards my pet care that actually means I'm flawless and haven't done anything wrong!
How is she an adult woman?
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idk about you but I prefer my anonymity on lolcow
discord kinda gets rid of that
Taylor, no. It’s abuse when you take out your irritated green tree python and hold your phone out for it to bite. No one has ever said shit about your snakes touching your phone. Your snake could’ve literally broken his teeth.
Also I can say with almost 100% certainty that she doesn’t make her guests wash their hands before forcing her animals upon them. Good way to harm your reptiles.
She could do so much with her audience like sending out real messages, exposing people to petitions for actual causes, or making informative videos about debates in animal communities
But instead she whines about anons on the internet, mocks people who are genuinely concerned, retweets videos or news stories about animal abuse with the typical “this is awful!!!!” comment, and her one attempt to make an informative video (the pitbull one) just amounted to her not doing any actual research and rambling about “hur durr they’re good dogs only babies are scared of them but I’m not going to tell you why I’m just going to make vague emotional statements”
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Hm. Then afterwards maybe make a video on the good reasons people call you an "abuser" (more like a hoarder but idk guess they fall into a similar category)? Like your unhealthy impulse buying,meeting the bare minimum tank requirements,having tons of animals die in your care due to your ignorance thinking you could care for them when you blatantly cannot,manhandling delicate animals,placing sensitive animals in rooms too hot for them or directly beneath a loud noise source?
maybe you could talk about that monitor situation where despite apparently doing your research you somehow failed to realize you had the wrong species?
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Holy shit she sounds like Jonny
While she was a POS before meeting Jonny, she definitely has become worse since she started dating him. Every now and then she really just shows her true colors, and it does sound a lot like him.>>530241
With this constant negativity and not doing any sort of work whatsoever on her channel, I guarantee she is going to crash and burn one day. Slowly, but surely.
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Except it’s not even a black throat monitor, and tanks aren’t really appropriate for monitors no matter how big they are. But it would outgrow 50 gallons very quickly.
“Here’s your clout”
God she’s so delusional. Does she think a million subscribers is celebrity status or something? I mean, it’s still impressive, but thousands of people have over 1 million
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You mean a bitch who likes to pretend she’s an innocent princess but pathetically responds to random anons on the internet?
She keeps pretending it’s to prevent misinformation as if all those random anon accounts with less than 100 followers could lead a successful slander campaign that could ruin her reputation, when she’s just a passive aggressive bitch who likes to send her fans to harass people
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Also, anyone know how true this is?
It's funny because her getting tattoos is just like when she gets animals. She impulsively makes the decision to get one (tattoo or animal), then backs it up with some BS like she's not doing it impulsively. "I have wanted one of these for so long" she says about buying yet another animal. "Crocodile hunter was my childhood so I'm getting a tattoo of it" she says as she gets a tattoo she literally just said she was getting bc she's sad LOL
It must nice to be sad over a bunch of people "bullying" you on Twitter. It must be nice to make money and not have a job because you get to use "depression" as your crutch. I'm not saying depression doesn't affect people, but she obviously uses it as an excuse. You don't just get to quit your job for MONTHS and still somehow make a living?? She's such a spoiled bitch and it's insane to see the amount narcissism in her. What an ugly human being. Negativity IS her personality.
Way way too sharp a substrate. Also usually dyed and that company doesn’t give details on origin. The particles are just too large for axotols. You’d have to use a sift to make sure the large pieces are out, and then rinse it until it runs clear to remove the excess coloring. It’s better to get a find grade sand (less than 1mm) or just bare bottom. This is super basic care and it’s scary she’s so ignorant.
But it’s one of the most expensive substrates, so that’s obviously why Taylor thinks it’s worth bragging about.
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Trying so hard to cover up that she knows so little about the animals she impulse buys that she couldn’t even tell it was the wrong species.
Any sort of "depression" she experiences is probably because she's been exposed for being a POS so many times and can't keep up with her own lies lmao. I'd be sad all the time too if I was a pathological liar who got called out. She brings it on herself. What a wreck>>530337
Agreed lmao, she just makes herself look like more and more of a negative piece of shit
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Yikes that’s a bad tat
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So fucking unreadable
Not only did she not know the species because she impulse bought, but after being called out and ADMITTING it was the wrong one she still gets it wrong! Ahahahaha
I laugh because she's a total dumbass but I seriously feel bad for that monitor. She never said if she kept it or not?? I guarantee that monitor is still with her and still receiving shitty, improper care. That poor thing…
Just genuinely curious, but can someone who knows more about tattoos than me explain why this is a shitty tattoo? is it the linework or..
(Sage cause i really don‘t know anything about tattoos)
It’s confusing and unreadable. The placement of the flower makes the whole piece just look like a triangle. It’s poorly fitted to her arm and draws attention to her veins with the negative space. It looks like the kind of tat people get as a cover up. Like the flower is just so misplaced and awkward. The “texture” on the croc is literally just lines. The teeth are tiny and look like an afterthought, and that’s a shit ton of solid black right there in the middle. If they ink all of that in, it’s going to look so chunky, unbalanced, and (again) like a shitty cover up.
Just all around terrible.
She does realize that Youtube isn’t going to last forever and if she isn’t self-employed or working specific minimum wage jobs or ones that have uniforms with long sleeves, she’s going to massively fuck over any future job opportunities for herself….. right?
And this is coming from someone who loves tattoos and is drawing out a plan for several of them…. but our job market is very fucking clear about not liking tattoos and that’s something people have to live with
I'm not an expert but if i were to get a big line piece like that which is probably $300-1000 where i live at, then i would look at how steady their hand is–straight smooth lines, the lightness of color (how hard theyre pressing), the design, and the location. For me, her tattoo isn't that great because the lines aren't smooth, the color seems a bit toooo dark and shakey, and the design has too many lines so it's hard to distinguish between the two together. The location is eehhh..
If i were to get an alligator with flowers on my arm with money like she has, i would get a view of an alligator on the surface of the water with flowers lilypads around him, colored and clear.
I'm not even mad. She's a 21 year old that acts like a 13 year old highschool girl. That's just pathetic.
She's saying we need a life? She can't spend half an hour editing a video and does absolutely nothing all day.
What causes have you donated to or invested your time in Taylor? None? Oh ok.
> If i were to get an alligator with flowers on my arm with money like she has, i would get a view of an alligator on the surface of the water with flowers lilypads around him, colored and clear.
That’s a legitimately beautiful tat idea.
Hers has no concept and terrible execution. Just a croc with a flower slapped on top, with a big black triangle for a mouth and itty bitty teeth. No creativity or understanding of tattoo fundamentals. Just “I want a flower and a crocodile face” slapped down. She tweeted it’s going to just be linework with a bit of grey shading. Just a blobby, unreadable mess.
Pro tip: only get big works when you’ve booked in advance. Have several consultations with your artist, either email or in person. Only go to pros who ask for a deposit, they’re legit. Have them do several sketches and then final pieces for you to choose from. Don’t just go and get any big tat slapped on a prominent place. And make sure you look at their portfolio and online works. Get an artist who you can not fault, someone who you like every one of their pieces. And if you’re even slightly disappointed with their sketches or they’re not being cooperative, move on. Pros understand. There’s so many talented and dedicated tattoo artists out there. It takes time to find them and communicate with them, but it’ll prevent you getting shit like Taylor’s
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She's not. Also wasn't she just in Cali…??
Well hey, looks like Taytay isn't the only liar.
Carib sea sand is fine, very fine particles and the colour doesn't run. I'm all for pointing out her shitty care, and a bare bottom is definitely best, but don't pretend you know everything.
She was referring to >>530130
It’s infuriating because correcting someone on their animal care COULD actually save the animals if the person actually listened. Like if Taylor had listened to people telling her to find a real foster for the kittens.
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lol at her calling her two years of working at Petco, probably volunteering at an animal shelter once for high school credit and her lack luster YouTube channel where she rambles incoherently, doesn’t really educate about her pets and gives the most basuc care advice a “career” in animals
if she wasn't an idiot/pathological liar, her animal care was too notch & she wasn't dating a psychotic dickwad who literally threatened to kill said animals these would actually be funny clapbacks
she's a fraud
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It appears that she had the idea for the crocodile tattoo for at least two weeks…
If it took her 2 weeks to come up with that ridiculous tattoo, while i only took 1 min to come out with mine (>>530391) then she has no imagination at all.
While taking 2 weeks to think of the idea, it seems like another impulse to get it. I have been wanting to get a tattoo on my arm for almost a year, and it takes me this long because I'm still searching for the right artist.. because tattoos stays on you FOREVER and having a shitty tattoo like that is embarrassing for life.
sage for ranting/blogposting
Someone who has heavily tattood parents/has been getting tattoos for a few years now here
The pictures posted are the outline and is not the full tattoo yet
On her Ig story the lines actually look decently nice
However, design wise, it's clearly not well-thought. It's as if the tattoo-er did not use a reference for the croc, even when stylizing something, many many artists continuously use real life references. The lines on the croc look less planned and more messy, while the flower, while it might look nice on its own, adds to the chaos of the messy crocodile. The flower lines are distinguishable from the crocodile but it doesn't flow in a nice manner, kind of looks like the equivalent of a bad photoshop job. Imo, some leaves and vines would really improve the over all design. If this tattoo does not end up in full color, from afar it will look like a bunch of scribbles on her arm.
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You think drugs make her stay awake? I knew people who were using say that some drugs would make you feel awake for more than 24 hours
Sorry for going off topic
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Now that you mention it, the similarities between the two of them are just striking.