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In the last episode, our protagonist PedoJared, after being publicly accused of soliciting nudes from minors, released a second statement completely ignoring said accusations and blaming his soon-to-be ex-wife Heidi for all other inappropriate behavior. Highlights from last thread include:>Jared still attempting to paint Heidi as the abuser and the unreasonable, jealous bitch, as well as saying she was the one who wanted to go poly and encouraged him to show his dick to fans, despite evidence from the time showing Jared was enthusiastic about sleeping around and distributing nudes while Heidi was not really into it. He also tries to make himself look kind and generous by paying for Heidi's new place's deposit, a car for her, and telling his lawyers to make sure she gets her dues in the divorce, as if the money used isn't their common property by virtue of them being married.>Jacque Khalil receiving evidence of Jared's pedo shit a month before the scandal broke and conducting an "internal investigation". He may or may not have contacted authorities about it, but if he did he opted not to say. Meanwhile, Holly received the same evidence and apparently warned Jared immediately.>Holly and Ross' divorce being caused by her affair with Jared, which has apparently been going on for over a year, and was the reason Holly moved close to Jared right after her divorce.>Jessica Merizan and Holly's best friend Renae going to bat for Holly while not acknowledging any evidence of Jared's pedophiliac tendencies and claiming "mental health uwu" for not looking at said evidence (after requesting it be shown to them). Tinfoilanon theorizes one of Holly's WKs in the thread is Jessica herself.>Chai, one of the minors accusing Jared of misconduct, publishing all the receipts on Jared's nude sharing, her communications with Normal Boots, and Jared's subsequent non-apology.
Previous thread: >>>/snow/804540
Our main actors:
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/
The usual suspects:
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofviolet
Summary of the old milk (cheese?), courtesy of anon:
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Holly "Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl" Conrad (Backstory/Pre-Divorce):>Holly is a talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to ger grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>I've followed Heidi for years for cosplay stuff, so I can only speak from that perspective but I don't think there's really much else to say about her>I think some people in the cosplay community found her kind of cocky, but she didn't seem to really rock the boat too much>She's a much more detail oriented and talented craftsman than your average costhot. Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth (not as common with cosplayers these days, so I think she's appreciated for that)>IIRC she has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design, so if she's cocky her work quality at least backs it up>Personally I followed her for a long time for cosplay stuff without ever even knowing who she was married to or who ProJared was. Can't speak for others, though I'm sure it didn't hurt her popularity>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time
Jared "Pigeondick" Knabenbauer>I've actually never really known or cared about ProJared or NormalBoots before this, I just wanted to call him a Pigeondick.>Maybe someone more informed can give a backstory, though again I'm not sure if it really matters>big yikes >>804556
Previous GG Threads:>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge. (Pic related: Top is GG, Bottom is Dirty Pair)>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being BEST FRIEND her despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.>Claims any of this is important at all because she was Arin's inspiration for a character "a woman being beaten and raped but wanting Egoraptor to be her knight in shining armor even though she's an ex-assassin">Now obsessed with Arin/Suzy/GG, obsessed with the notion that Suzy is somehow copying her every move and personality trait (again, despite the fact that she just now reemerged and Suzy was probably ~13 when all of this started)>Consensus: Arin was a dumb teenage boy who was probably involved with both of them, the situation makes Suzy look incredibly sane. Also it's been 17 years who gives a shit. (Guess what: Katie does)>Obviously overshadowed by current milk, but I just feel like we haven't seen the last of Katie. Probably in like 5 years she'll catch up on the current drama and have a real hot take.
From end of previous thread:>>808873>>808877
Is Holly known for having a smol apostrophe use disability?
Love the level of detail, kudos
Was gonna add this to full thread but people really think Heidi is in the wrong for changing her mind about having an open relationship? What if the spice had been pegging, exhibitionist activities, etc? It's a mutual sexual agreement, it can be ”taken back” at any time.
That's what consent is. Both people have to agree, relationship boundaries need to be respected. If you entered a monogamous relationship with someone and tried out dating other people without positive results, isn't it more unhealthy for the relationship to proceed as non-monogamous because of the foundation it was built on?
I would only hope my partner could be mature enough to handle being told No. It's not that ”things didn't work out after therapy” it was manipulation, cheating, lying, and adults refusing or unable to feel empathy for the other person in the relationship.
Regardless that's small potatoes to engaging in sexual behaviour with minors, which isn't a Separate Issue but just another representation of Jared thinking with his dick and they don't take kindly to kid diddlers in jail. He's going to get karma regardless, min I expect him to end up as a registered sex offender.
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I think his dick caused some type of brain damage or shit to Holly. But sHow tHe rEceIpT' S eVen tHOuGh I reCievED an EmaIL fROm cHaI. Just gonn wait for her "apology" on youtube.
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i was going to comment this on the last thread>>808868
How convenient for Heidi. i bet if the tables were reversed you would be defending your Queen´s right to sleep with other people since her cool husband allowed it and dump him for the new man if she so chooses. She simply wasn´t the cool girl she pretended to be and ended up butthurt about it and playing victim
for damage control when the poly shit backfired on her.>>808871>was he also being the victim when he sent all those dick pics to those underage fans?
Heidi approved and encouraged that behaviour too, like she even said how they high fived after watching the pics together and it was no secret. But now that Heidi is butthurt she gets to take it all back and retroactively erase her previous consent for Jared´s actions, she was cool with him sexting her friends too and is obious from her own comments that she knew about Holly too and saw her nudes, she was not being lied too or manipulated, she decided to play that stupid game and won the stupidest prize.
Now she says it was Jared playing jedi mind tricks on her all along, and we are supposed to automatically believe her despite evidence.
None of these people, including Heidi should have ever been married, they are all inmature dumbfucks who are not fit for commited relationships. Also, poly love is a stupid idea and somebody always ends ups hurt. Who could have foreseen that in an open relationship one partner would fuck another woman and decide he/she liked it better? uncanny, impossible!
Heidi knew about the affairs and allowed it, the inevitable happened and her husband got feelings for another woman, decided to dump her and Heidi went full drama queen mode to exploit the situation and play the victim
. Heidi is the biggest lolcow here since she is the one milking the drama for attention and to scapegoat herself completely out of her own mistakes.She doesn´t get uwu victim
and i am upset to have been so much on her side before i knew the whole story. Her marriage was alreday ended, Holly´s marriage ended long ago, Heidi was the one making it into a media circus.
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Love the level of detail, kudos
Was gonna add this to full thread but people really think Heidi is in the wrong for changing her mind about having an open relationship? What if the spice had been pegging, exhibitionist activities, etc? It's a mutual sexual agreement, it can be ”taken back” at any time.
That's what consent is. Both people have to agree, relationship boundaries need to be respected. If you entered a monogamous relationship with someone and tried out dating other people without positive results, isn't it more unhealthy for the relationship to proceed as non-monogamous because of the foundation it was built on?
I would only hope my partner could be mature enough to handle being told No. It's not that ”things didn't work out after therapy” it was manipulation, cheating, lying, and adults refusing or unable to feel empathy for the other person in the relationship.
Regardless that's small potatoes to engaging in sexual behaviour with minors, which isn't a Separate Issue but just another representation of Jared thinking with his dick and they don't take kindly to kid diddlers in jail. He's going to get karma regardless, min I expect him to end up as a registered sex offender. >>808889
I wish but it looks like it's lazy attempt for attention>If I say Holly I’ll get taken more seriously >>808897
Homeboy may be an idiot, it may not have been intentional, but when you fuck around with 15-year-olds you're still a pedophile.
Haven't you been a senior watching freshman come into Highschool? They look like middle schoolers still. There's no way a 30 something dude didn't know he was fucking with a kid, he probably just hoped he wasn’t. There’s a reason porn sites have a ”barely legal teen” section, grown men don't give a fuck.
>>808894> your Queen
I didn't even know who ProJared or Heidi were until this, I’d been following Snooze and Katie antics. I knew about Ross, had no idea who Holly was, though.
These people may have had a bunch of fans, but to most of the public they were forgettable side-characters. If the milk dried up I doubt I’d think of any of them besides in passing when mentioned in future threads.
No worries, I thought it was too tame too. I'll make an updated version with more "muh mental issues made me send nudes".
saging this properly this time though.
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kiwifarms really are a bunch of annoying clowns, just blame heidi for everything lmao
>>808897>most likely he didn't know [that he was soliciting child porn]
is that a hill you want to die on? "most likely"?>>808930
also are people forgetting the multiple screenshots from the past few years where Heidi is VERY clearly not interested in an open relationship?
Are kiwifarms users a bunch of incels?
Who would you rather believe: a dude with influence that has had serious allegations of pedo behavior and cheating or an ex-wife that only her husband knows she had an affair?
I think what's worse is he coulda got nudes from anywhere. He's aware of 4chan and one anonymous post on their will get you the nudes you want.
Instead he went to his fans, many underaged (probably especially after Game Shakers). He wanted people who admired him and kissed the ground he walked on. I wouldn't doubt it if he got off more on the high of being efamous and getting nudes for being such.
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Heidi knew he was soliciting fans, she knows the average age range of his fans.
Why can't we agree that everyone is garbage? Heidi for closing the relationship when it seemed she was going to lose her wallet? Jared for being an underage creeper. And Holly for cheating on her husband with fucking ichabod crane.
Heidi said adults. Heidi said no nudes. Heidi has been painfully monogamous for years as evident by screen shots.
Just stop, you're just as much a clown as Jared
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I'm just suspicious of what she says now because it was originally.
"He cheated on me, and sent nudes!"
"Oh we tried polyamory, then I shut it down."
"Oh I told him he could sent tease pics to fans, just no nudes"
Why should I keep taking her at her word?
Heidi was either really dumb/oblivious about Jared's true intentions behind the "body positivity" blog or both were using it to get off ("we high five each other each time we got a fan nude!!!").
I understand why anons are being defensive about her though, it's because we have people claiming it was all her idea which definitely doesn't line up at all and she didn't know he was also having sex with fans(they were poly at one point but, it went against her rules in it).
This doesn't make Heidi look good at all, I don't think she's that much of a victim
(the real victim
in all of this is Ross) but, to claim she's just as bad as Jared or Holly is crazy and at the very least, while she's probably doing it to benefit herself, she exposed them before they could get away with their actions.
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According to her tweets she alludes she was banging people on the side, but when Jared and Holly developed "feelings" for each other, thats when she decided to shut it down. That's what she considered cheating, when Jared may have left her for Holly.
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whoops wrong tweet
You can bang people without having feelings for them. Having FWB is not the same thing as falling in love with your wife's best friend.
This whole mess is because of the poly relationship, but to me it's pretty clear what boundaries she had.
I'm confused about the rules though, we bang whoever we want, just don't send nudes to fans, only tease pics?
Fuck open relationships
We don't need to know the specific ins and out of the rules they set tbh. Open relationships and poly relationships actually have WAY more rules than a standard monogamous relationship. Some people even sign contracts to make sure what they are comfortable with an uncomfortable with are properly laid out.
Fans are fans. Those are the people who pay Jared's bills and look up to him. She probably didn't want him sending/recieving nudes from fans specifically because thats a clear abuse of power (and as we've seen it most definitely was)
I'm not in their head and another issue is that certains rules may have been at certain point in times. So noone fucking knows ahah!!!!!!!
To my understanding, it may be that they stopped the whole open as in go fuck anyone around 2017 (Jared in his ""apology"" talked about a '17 affair and I think the snapchat takedown was around the same time?) but Jared didn't stop. Also, I'm biased because I empathize with Heidi, but to me if she got pressured into expanding her rules or anything it's not exactly giving consent.
But yeah, fuck open relationships. I'm a salty ass but it's either porn-damaged sex-crazed creeps or immature kids who can't commit, never ends well.
I don't think we'll ever know the full story anyway.
Wow, what a way for Heidi to dodge the question.
Her true colors are coming out, she just wanted to be open when it was convenient, the moment it hurt her feelings then its shutdown time baby, cool girl time is over, now is full vendetta because her ego got bruised. And now she wants to clarify how she was the one who ended it and not that she got fucking dumped for Holly. Its so petty it hurts.>>808967
Heidi knew what the fanbase was, Heidi high fived without knowing if those were underage kids. The "lewds but no nudes :3" shit is dumb, and everyone should stop just swallowing every excuse Heidi makes.
I think by "I ENDED it" she's saying "I retracted my consent for having an open relationship once Jared wanted to bone my best friend Holly, who is married to our other friend. that is going too far and I was uncomfortable. Jared agreed we would go back to strict monogamy but he was lying and had been lying about everything for a long time and that is cheating"
that's what she's been saying all along
maybe we can spell it out in ways your childlike brain can understand.
let's say there is a jar of cookies. your mom says "you and I can eat 2 cookies after dinner as long as you've eaten your vegetables."
you eat 2 cookies before dinner and 2 cookies after dinner and haven't eaten your vegetables. you've also had a piece of chocolate cake. mom takes away all dessert privileges.
she says in >>808979
when Holly developed feelings for ONLY Jared, thats when she wanted to shut it down.
As to how she found that out?
I think that's missing a vital part of male psychology where you can't give a guy free rein, give him freedoms, drop rules for them and then close that down. Men are obsessive about everything they do. Think about how porn opens floodgates which they can't close. They can't go to the edge and then come back. You can't erase the rules and then bring them back in.
It was always goin to continue after she "closed" it. He was never gonna give up his teen nude priviledges. It's a stupid thing for people to focus on. Their relationship was over the second she obliged to the blog and the "poly" status.
Can Holly’s friends please stop shitting up the thread?
Your friend is in love with a man who she knew received nudes from kids. Get the fuck over it.
So why did the 16 year old sit on this for years until she needed ammo for her friend? Why hasn't she pressed charges yet?
Stop being so naive. You people fall for any made up bullshit.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I dunno, Jared apologizing to Chai sure wasn't made up.
People like you are the reason people are afraid to speak up when they're sexually assaulted.
goddamn it's almost like people are afraid to speak up when someone, especially a "celebrity" takes advantage of them.
not to mention that the police aren't exactly known for taking sexual assault cases seriously.
it's ok i don't think men need our help to clear their name, ofc there are good men, who cares>>809037
He's some sort of variety channel now I think he's bored with life
Here's what gets me: They are in an open relationship (we don't know who started or why). Heidi says that the situation with Holly is what made her go "okay, this is a boundary I don't want you to cross".
Jared in his 2nd statement goes on to say about ~all the men Heidi has slept with~. But he never once made it sound like Heidi was crossing one of HIS boundaries. Jared sounds like "owo Heidi was sleeping with menz but when I sleep with womenz, she mad!" okay well, were you UPSET she was sleeping with menz? Did she tell you, was she transparent about it? Were you okay with it? If Heidi operated within Jared's boundaries of the open relationship then it doesn't mean squat later down the line. Would Heidi have been equally as uncomfortable if you slept with a stranger rather than your close, married friend?
He sounds like when someone in a relationship gets mad about something and when the partner asks if they are okay they say "I'm fine" but later down the line during an irrelevant argument they bring it up like "I hate when you did that!" Okay but you didn't TELL me you had a problem back then. If Jared didn't have a problem with who Heidi slept with, assuming it was all true, then he has no right to bring that up later. Both parties can have differing boundaries and that's why shit gets discussed.
Yeah, he's trying to twist it to make it look like the problem was just him sleeping around so Heidi having done the same completely negates his own wrongdoings. But in truth, the problem was him using his power over his fans, lying to his wife, gaslighting her, doing things she specifically asked him not to, and how could we forget soliciting nudes from minors. His strategy relies on him making it look like the problem is the former rather than the latter. That's why it's important not to focus the whole discourse on responding to his accusations but rather on how he's trying to make people talk about anything but the shit he pulled.
I want to be allowed to cheat but the moment my husband does it is haram uwu
Polyamory is totally not retarded you guys(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Yeah, he's no Austin Jones but it's along the same lines of exploiting fans using your position of internet notoriety.
>Haha I respect women so much, body positivity!>Hey wouldn't it be so funny if people started sending me nudes lololol
People with Heidi is complicit because she was aware of it, they've never been in a situation of being gaslit and what an abuse cycle is. Holly would be more likely to be the complicit person in this situation since there's actual receipts.
People don't care about who’s actually ”responsible” but more they have an opportunity to whine about metoo and cancel culture.
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Devil's advocate would be a relief at this point, ban evader is just doing ye olde straw man
I noticed that Matt at least unfollowed Jared on twitter.
I imagine something will be have to be said soon because of DCA. They've kept quiet about it so that Jared's grasshopper dick wouldn't cast an undeservedly long shadow over their launch event this weekend.
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Not even Jared’s twin brother is supportive of him.
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From Jared and Holly's DCA co-star Nate
Keep and co’s hypothetical that Heidi was abusive
someone having a reaction that it means the abuse she suffered and her experience are falsified is so messed up. It could have been a two-way street of a toxic
, harmful relationship-but that doesn't mean she's lying or dealing out half-truths in her favour. People just don't want to be understanding of the potential complexity and see it as black and white.
if you are going to publicly call out your husband as a cheater, at least give people the full story and don't keep quiet because it will hurt your image.
she talks about a "primarily platonic" relationship she was having with someone. So I guess he just wasn't good at sex? lol(ban evasion)
Alexa this is so sad, play despacito.
I love how the whiteknights are completely forgetting that Jared is more or less a pedophile and Holly is now complicit because of her failure to report him.
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Nah apparently it’s his twin. He’s the older of the two.
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It's not his twin. He has a twin brother and an older brother - Derek is the older one.
Well now that we've gotten that cleared up, Jared's own family isn't supportive of him throughout this scandal. That has to suck.
But hey, at least he has Holly and her friends (that he's also probably fucked)!
Same, I had that same experience with an ex who even after couple's therapy and me kicking him out insisted that we could make it work if only I would be more "flexible" aka overlook his cheating and in return I had the option as well. I'd bet Heidi felt like that was the only way to still feel control over the situation and the relationship at all without him just doing it anyways and begging forgiveness later, but as we see she ended up having it used against her. She set specific boundaries and rules for communication in the relationship, like any FUNCTIONAL polyamorous couple should, and he ignored those too (but fed his side chicks half-truths about Heidi knowing and being cool with it).
I really feel for her and especially with how he's trying to turn that compromise on her part against her and use it to paint her as equally bad or as lying about consenting to this when its clear she had lines she didn't want crossed and he gave no fucks. What a little ratfink.
Since she's been slowly deleting tweets and videos without a word I reckon it will be a long time before she makes a statement or returns. She's lost pretty much everything - her audience's trust, her public image as a kindly mental health uwu bird bean, her D&D spots, the prestige of being Ross' (ex)wife, etc. Now she's just the thot who cheated on Ross, ruined 2 marriages and lied to everyone.
I am surprised that she hasn't come out blaming her mental illness and how she's TOTALLY working on it now and going to be a better person. Maybe even she's intelligent enough to know that you have to practice what you preach.
I would not be surprised that within a few weeks we’ll get that statement from holly about mental illness and…well other things said in statement to make this situation worse
Jared did this when all he had to do was literally say nothing but yet here we are…
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PedoJared ducking accusations of fucking fans and knowingly exchanging nudes with underage fans (2019, colorized)
Jared - "Contracts can be rewritten and broken."
Holy fuck they both get so uncomfortable, like twitching faces and looking around uncomfortable. I wonder if the other team members knew and felt weird about them roleplaying their affairs through their characters?
It's extremely irritating me the amount of people who apparently don't have any reading comprehension. It seems like a huge amount of people are conflating her saying she "knew Jared was interested in Holly from the start" with her knowing they were fucking, and also conveniently become blind when they see her say her poly history was a long distance platonic guy. Her story remains pretty clear and correct of a timeline to me. Here's how I understand it:
>Marriage is failing>Before this point, it seems clear that she is against breaking monogamy as evidenced >>808281 >>808161 by how she is vocally against it>Something happens leading to them opening their marriage, I agree with the people suggesting she was pressured into it to save her marriage due to the evidence above showing she clearly didn't want it. speaking from experience, that's how gaslighting and abusive relationships like this work>Now that they're "open", she gets closer to one (1) male friend who is a >>808973 "long distance platonic moral support connection", which may previously have been considered emotional cheating. she now relies on him directly>Jared starts the "lewd" tumblrs, they set rules of no dick/full nude, no sex, just sharing suggestive pics as per >>808988>in the meantime Jared starts soliciting fan nudes>She finds out, is upset because using your status of fame to solicit nudes is pretty fucked, and asks him to take them down. As shown in >>808125, the reason she did not realize the continued extent of the problem is because she literally asked him to stop it and assumed he would actually stop, but he didn't. >She catches on that Jared is into Holly and they have feelings for each other. NOT aware that they are fucking. This is bad for a number of reasons (Holly is Heidi's close friend, Holly is married) >>808125 and Heidi says >>808123 "address this", which obviously in this case means STOP THIS and not "you guys should totally fuck" as some people interpret>This is probably the tipping point of "failure of transparency" where she says "ok, no more poly. I don't want this" and makes clear to Jared that is now off the table
Fast forward to the divorce. >She finds Jared's old phone which shows that not only has he continued pursuing Holly but they've been actively having sex>Jared's statement comes out, she's blocked, and her tweets about her revelation drop>fans start coming forward of his (recent) activities of soliciting nudes>She is further baffled >>808988>1 week later Jared claims she was sleeping with many guys while they were open
That's a timeline that has proof backing up most of its consistency, unlike the claims flying around.
I still don't see any inconsistencies with her story at all. I don't see how she's just as bad or even bad at all in this situation either. I do not see any proof of her sexing countless guys and being just as slutty as Jared. Her most damning acts suggesting she was poly for other guys is the one long distance platonic guy and getting angry and defensive here >>808977
b/c people keep asking her about her involvement in being poly (which is, again, the one LD platonic guy). And no, she does not "allude she was banging people on the side", she clearly stated that she had 1 LD platonic guy. I do see mountains of evidence that Jared is a lying gaslighting abusive
cunt which would give reason to believe he was lying about her banging other guys- he was even gaslighting the underage kid in his bullshit "apology" >>808879
The worst thing you can accuse Heidi of that is provably true is that she tried too hard and was too desperate to save a failing marriage, and trusted Jared too much. Maybe was too naive, too invested in the relationship. Citing the few times she seems to be the Cool Girl like being ok with the lewd tumblrs fails to account for how abusive
relationships work. God damn, I'm pissed. Sorry for autism I hate misinformed idiots
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Not sure why one of the post tags failed but this is one of the more important ones; the blog post from 2 years ago where she clearly expresses disliking the idea of breaking monogamy. >>808161
Reposting the image and link for posterity anyway. Sage for correction. https://atelierheidi.tumblr.com/post/150883841640/bi-visibility-question-if-you-and-jared-were
Yo this is a good round-up, autism or no. Thanks for making it. There have been so many WKs and illiterate little fuckwit trolls in the threads trying to muddy the water, it's really useful to have something like this.
Some people just have zero grasp of causality it seems.
The people getting confused just don't care enough to follow everything she's tweeted. The best way to fix people going after her is for her to upload a written statement to twitter that explains her side or a well edited video that does the same. Until then people will just keep cherrypicking the one tweet and saying>OMG SHE KNEW THE WHOLE TIME!!!!
It also doesn't help that ecelebs are uploading updates to the drama and saying the same thing because they don't care enough to research since they'll rake in views anyway.
ok they do look all kinds of shifty, but my question is, is it normal for DnD players to get this
into their character? jared looks like someone is straight up murdering his lover lmao. sage for ot but this is a really weird roleplay to watch.
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Happy 800K Jared
Biddet fellow critter
I also watch critical role and they do get really into it but it’s all discussed previously behind the scenes and everyone is nice and not creepy about it
Which if I’m not mistaken was one of the reasons they parted ways with Orion, he was being quite disrespectful with the girls
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please learn to sage your bullshit
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nayrt but damn that made me actually cackle out loud, good job anon (and good point too)
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The creamy creamy Milk. The "art" says "side ho"
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The milkman cometh, can't wait to see these receipts. What a shitshow.
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Goddamn flood detection
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Oh no uwu not the gold play button!
She knows she can just plead 'legality' or 'privacy' for why she doesn't back up her claims or shows a HIGHLY clipped snippet. I'll bet that exchange >>809744
in context is something else.
Either she and Jared are in cahoots, or Jared professionally manipulated them both to think that one of the women is ruining his life.
Like, he constantly hinted Heidi that she isn't enough even when she pulls a "cool girl" by allowing him to send lewds to the internet, made her super jealous to the point she loses her shit in public, so that everyone including Holly would see that and assume that she is an abuser. And when Holly appears concerned, he, again, hints that it's him who is abused, which concern Holly even more since she "discovered her feelings for him".
All while exchanging actual nudes and having actual sex with third side chick (from the con), and maybe who knows how many more! Yeah, sure, poor abused guy.
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Posting the receipts from that twitter thread.
Don't get me wrong, obviusly she went to the hospital because "Im a victim
too, look how sad i am" and all that stupid public act.
Im saying that she didn`´t play the mental health card (yet) like Jared, because she didn't used it to excuse her behaviour. In fact she didn't adress anything of all yet.
Heck I predicted this would happen in a few weeks
….didn’t think it would be be next day though
She prefaced her entire spiel with it. By putting one thing in front to the other, she used it as context.
It's been said before but stop wilfully whiteknighting, it makes you look sad as fuck.
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Smug thing to add in, “platonic” my ass
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Some of these aren't even receipts but just Heidi saying "mean" things but I'll archive them here anyway since they were included in Holly's twitter thread and have to do with the drama either way.
Holly's really coming off as even more insufferable with her side of the story. She's going to get a lot of hate from everyone who's ever had the unfortunate experience of being cheated on>>809788
Don't you know? You have to be super chill and positive no matter what's going on, or else you're abusive
Without any context whatsoever sure this looks like emotional abuse…
To me it’s nothing short of the natural rage of being emotionally cheated on by your husband. That’s raw pain.
Heidi seems like an immature person from her interactions (assumed these are real and all her worst moments cherrypicked) but anyone who knew of this was gloating about his demise, his play button, the press coverage etc. I don't see why she can't. It's not 'abusive
' to be pissed off an laugh at him.
But Heidi's made a big fucking mistake trying to be the 'cool girl' and she's gotten played hard, very hard by these two. They can pull up shit against her but she can't show their private conversations for any context to that.
Jared's still not going to get his job and rep back so their point seems to be to drag her through the mud as hard as possible for…? These two gaslighters deserve each other. And Heidi needs therapy.
So this was in motion as early as Feb 2018 according to Holly. Was Ross just chill with this, or what? They were still married.>>809760>Diath and Strix
I guess Jared and Holly were irl larping their shitty D&D characters while "totally chill being poly" Heidi cheers for it in the back like a cuck. Then later lashes out in a jealous rage from time to time because she can't get out of the mess she helped create. Not that Holly and Jared care about that. These "receipts" just make all 3 of them look foolish and childish.
What a fucking mess.
I guarantee Jared is not going to stay fucking Holly. Shes ugly, stupid and weird. He likes the thrill of the chase and fucking around behind his wifes back while she tried to fix the marriage. Shes nothing to him now because it wont be fun. Holly is a reminder of him losing his job, being publically humiliated and hopefully going to jail.
I want to point out that Holly is defending his soliciting nudes of fans and claiming he "knew the ages of everyone who sent them" bull. Ahit. We know he went after underage nudes, there's proof. Shes so dumb and soon, I bet Jared will get desperate and throw her under the bus.
Im saying that she deflected all the blame on her by defending jared.
And didn't apologize or talk about cheating on ross.
Nobody is defending crosseyes quasimodo>>809780>>809795
I dont care if she went or not.
Going to an hospital wouldn't prove shit>>ooh yaz im deprezz.. herez my money. where is my room?
Shes literally threatening his victims
with this revenge porn shit. Really, Holly?
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I'd like to know how minors sharing their stories was illegally obtained.
"She slutshamed me" aka held me accountable for my shitty actions.
Hint for Holly: you wont be slutshamed if you aren't being a slut.
She doesn't look great, but it's also pretty likely that she was in the midst of a nervous breakdown. People do weird shit when their relationships are falling apart. >>809817>and people are eating it up
It probably won't last long. Someone's going to release something in retaliation for sure.>>809826
She's giving me hardcore flashbacks to my histronic/dependent housemate>make extremely selfish and destructive decisions with no consideration of who'll end up in the wake of destruction>shit predictably blows up>immediately regress to child-like state, wonder "why is the world so cruel? why is everyone mean to poor old me??" while everyone affected is trying to pick up the pieces>rinse and repeat
>>809742>All she did was scream go away>I hung up on Heidi in fear
Top fucking kek, how terrifying it must be to have someone not want to talk to you over the phone about how you banged her husband.
I seriously cannot see what is so 'abusive
' about any of this. Anyone would scream and say nasty things to a cheating husband and his mistress. If she had better receipts than Heidi yelling maybe the abuse claim would hold weight but she hasn't mentioned much else.
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so essentially Holly's take of events is that Heidi encouraged Jared to confess. Jared told Holly "hey I have feelings for you" and Holly suddenly had to process this information. Heidi suddenly does a 180 and begins acting out and being a turbo bitch at both of them even though they hadn't become physical yet. Meanwhile Holly is trying to support Jared in all this and Heidi starts threatening to ruin their lives because Jared confessed….
this is way above my pay grade honestly, it sounds like Holly is implying there was zero physical intimacy between them because Heidi was being a wifezilla and a controlling freak? I wonder if all this was before or after she moved to Washington. Ie. before or after the divorce.
And wonderful glossing over the fans/minor stuff.
Honestly this situation is the gift that keeps on giving
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Holly just confirmed that Ross asked to be left out of it so he almost definitely will not speak publicly about it.
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Holly saying Jared's fan nude swapping shit is just a "poor decision" and just completely disregarding possible victims is so fucking hypocritical of her "uwu mental illness activist" persona. She is the exact type of person who would jump and point out how toxic it is if someone else did it but, because Jared is totally a victim of EVERYTHING, he only makes "bad decisions" because making a fake "body positivity" tumblr totally wasn't intended to be anything but innocent, amrite?
I could give two shits about the whole poly/cheating shit between her and Heidi, she's already proven to be a crazy bitch for trying to twist his nude swapping as just an innocent mistake.
You'd think there would be better messages to screenshot if she's been spending so much time trying to help poor wittle Jared escape ~abuse~. Like abusive
messages, or discussion of the abuse… not understandable reactions to being cheated on
I guess the concept here is to imply "this is just the tip of the abusive
iceberg guys!" while in truth showing little. Meanwhile she's safe and sound knowing Heidi can't leak whatever vitriol was on Jared's' old phone.
In my opinion no. Heidi seemed like in the message where she cheered him on and didn't get a response until way later already insecure and not happy about it. She was trying her best to do what he wanted but the amount of messages and how forced it seemed she truly didn't want it but seemed like she had no choice.
As someone who's been abused and gaslighted this is something we do. We will try so hard to make them happy we will say anything do anything to make them say that they are happy with your response.
How hard was it to say no then?>"Ok but did you cheat on Ross?">No.
That she responded to the inquiry with anything by a no can't really be read as anything but a yes.
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>i made this psych ward art out of a Keemstar quote!
this is golden
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God bless this post
Again goint to an hospital wouldn't prove shit.
Is fucking easy to enter in a hospital for no reason.
I have a friend that once activated a suicide watch protocol because she went full emo to a doctor and lied about taking a lot of pills.
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>>809856>check into mental health facility due to upsetting situation >invite people to come discuss the minutae of said upsetting situation
Makes sense. What actually makes sense is starting off your weak defence seeking pity and presenting yourself as a suffering victim
so people will be more sympathetic and willing to believe you.
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when im in a goddamn locked down psych ward because im considering hurting myself, since the internet is out for my blood and shit is being spilled, that the man I fucked while he was married (and I was at one point as well), and some goddamn fucking moron, the pidgeon dick himself, waltzes in to laugh about some jackass TMZ hack on twitter I would be moved to jail for murder.
holly is a fucking liar and you do not making funny ha-ha mental health uwu shit in psych ward when being razed online. you talk to a fucking therapist and try to figure out what went wrong. stop WKing her she was never in psych ward she was sucking ProJared's dick and trying to make this look good for both of them
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My mom was in a mental hospital for the same shit Holly is claiming to have, I want to know how she was allowed all these art supplies, they didnt even let my mom have chapstick because she could choke herself with it but Holly gets probably toxic
paint and art supplies? I call bullshit.
>>809742>I want my husband to think of me not you during sex!!
Jesus christ, imagine marrying below your league to a Jenna Marbles' dog looking dude only for him to fantasize about a cross eyed butterface during sex
That shit must take a toll on your mental health and self esteem
no, I have been in a psych ward in a VERY similar situation and I did not want some drama hungry bitch to come in and tell me all the details. I had visitors that came and talked about how they hoped I was doing well, working through shit. who the fuck makes funny art about KEEMSTAR?
if she went, which she didn't because that would require disengaging her mouth from Jared's balls, her therapist would tell people dont talk about the thing that triggered
her. art therapy is usually for abstract, feelings, not doing tweets like some fucking idiot looking for cutesy mental illness uwu points online
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the tweets that prefaced the caps:
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Wtf is going on
Meanwhile, Holly is focusing on the cheating aspect to avoid any conversation about the kiddie nudes.
I'm loving the fact that Heidi is calling her out but the cheating is the least horrible Holly and Jared have done.
Pretty much, yeah. If she really thought that even sending nudes to the abused person in an abusive
/controlling relationship would help them it's a wonder how she was ever trusted to use scissors.
>>809740>I never expected to have feelings
your husband?? what about your fucking husband, holly? the real victim
here is ross, no doubt.
anyway, the messages aren't really damning in themselves. yes, heidi doesn't look like the most stable person, but most people aren't when their marriage is falling to pieces. what I think is telling is that none of the messages actually point to anything except heidi was emotionally compromised.
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okay holly is not innocent but i love how heidi in all of this until now conveniently left out her own side dick from the narrative because it was "irrelevant" lmfao
the side dick thing was revealed during jared's 2nd statement, keep it. it IS irrelevant because it was a long distance emotional affair during a period where their relationship was open in the first place. holly and jared fucked after heidi told them not to, which is entirely different. >>809891
waiting for holly to respond to this with "i only said that because i was so scared of heidi uwu!!! she was yelling and i was scared for my life!!!"
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Did you not read the "long distance" part?
Sexting your husband about things said boyfriend wants to do with them BOTH isn't sidedick. Sidedick implies he doesn't know about said dick.
I can just imagine Holly in a room with a bunch of other people doing finger paints and just showing off her Side Ho - Keemstar "art" to the supervisor with a smirk on her face>>809894
She feels really accomplished with this KEK literally Holly did nothing except the fact she fucked a married man while she was married herself. UwU asexual af!
She never left him out, she literally openly admitted his existence >>808973
and as everyone else already replied to you saying, it was during the part where Jared was banging holly and they were open already.
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Kittie has a say in this
Shit, forgot my sage. Sorry.
Will add with some observations I have:
Holly saying that you're not a real victim
of abuse if you go back to your abuser's place is a major fucking yikes.
Doubly so since she is supposedly a mental health guru type.
One of Holly's tweets says Heidi never revealed the long term BF she had during the poly time, but she did.
The entire point of all of this is Holly/Jared continued
when it shouldn't have and Heidi stopped the whole poly thing, including her own long distance platonic guy.
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I know art therapy is a real thing but I just can't stop imagining this scenario where orderlies monitoring mentally ill patients who are possibly a harm to themselves or others watch some kooky gremlin with bird shit in her hair fingerpaint "SIDE HO" -KEEMSTAR 2019 and just have to be like "uh huh wow good job expressing urself, wonderful improvement! [whispers to other orderly] what the fuck is a keemstar?
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Okay but did Heidi just low-key confirm Holly was cheating with that reblog or am I reading too much into it…?
I feel like all this just proves that open relationships are a dumpster fire waiting to happen. Even when people have this ideal of everything being orderly and consensual it almost always ends up with power imbalances, jealousy, hurt, boundary-pushing and damaging escalation of extramarital romance and sexual physicality. Heidi probably thought she could save their tanking marriage and then tried to piece it back together begging Jared and Holly to end their contact realizing that Jared was suddenly way more interested in Holly than her because looks aside she was still a shiny new toy for him.
Also interesting it's been confirmed through the date of the events and Heidi that Holly was cheating on Ross. Explains why he said he moved on "a long time ago" now but makes it impressively mature of him to not want to comment about things at all.
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Well. We know the origin of monster dong.
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Fuck I keep forgetting to sage when switching from posting new caps to providing my opinion. Here's a cap that hasn't been posted yet that confirms what I was thinking about that original screencap.
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Sounds accurate based on these tweets. Jared ignores Heidi until she reaches boiling point, telling Holly nothing except that Heidi is crazy. Holly thinks Jared is a victim
meanwhile Heidi has been trying to get Jared to talk to her seriously about their relationship for weeks.
Holy shit. I never imagined that, out of everyone in Game Grumps, the people to go out in an abso-fucking-lutely nuclear
shitstorm would be Ross's friends.
Holly also implies Ross knew about it in the first tweet in >>809740
with that whole "transparent with all parties involved."
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>>809870>You’re not abusive Heidi and I’m glad Jared called me out when I said you were abusive v_v>You are so valid, your anger is valid, you are not the bad guy, I understand now what's really going on and I was in the wrong
So why is Heidi wrong now? Because it's public? The flower crown has slipped and Holly is resentful about it?
That's what we like to call narcissistic injury, but tbh it could be Holly considers herself so free of blame because she said sowwy and was taking accountability in private back then.
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For anyone who doesn't really want to read holly's massive text drop, and all of heidi's responses this is how it seems to have went down if you combine their stories and timelines.
Jared just decided to straight ignore Heidi for WEEKS, while on a trip with Holly who Heidi had orginally been very supportive of them being together as part of their open relationship. During that time Heidi is constantly trying to reach him, and ask about whats happening and etc, but hes just DEAD silent. Holly is like "oh whats up with heidi??" and jared is just like "shes just being crazy dont worry about it" till it eventually reaches a boiling point and heidi is actively pissed and asking what the fuck why arn't you talking to me.
AT THAT POINT jared shows holly what heidi is saying, and it just looks like heidi is insane.
so holly tells jared "shes abusive break up with him" then heidi sees that, and the two girls talk and holly admits that projared had skewed things against heidi and she wasnt fully aware of what was happening, and had said somethings out of line.
So heidi tells them both, ok you two can't be trusted together because you are both incapable of just being honest with me about whats happening.
they dont stop though.
Things noticeably strange about holly's post:
She refers to the fact that she is absolutely aware that projared was doing the snapchat thing, and merely says "he made bad choices"
Holly very clearly cut around parts of the convo and removed all context from what heidi is saying so that you can't see WHY it led up to that. (if you want to say she was doing that for no reason, she could have shown that and it'd have been more powerful evidence but the way its cut reeks of cherry picking)
A lot of the things she posted are private facebook rants to friends and are VERIFIABLE PRIVATE, holly implies they are public.
Things noticeably strange about heidi's post:
It's pretty fucking clear SHE IS WAY WAY more into the open relationship idea than jared was.
It's pretty fucking clear she is OBVIOUSLY TURNED ON by semi-cuck aspect of it and wants to both SHARE ALL THE DETAILS and RECEIVE all the details. Jared seems actually turned off by this.
oh damn my bad then.
I guess there are other reasons. security is one.
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nyart but look what HOLLY said
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No, Holly, it's not abusive
if Jared's WIFE is upset, suspicious and even angry about you fucking him when she'd explicitly mentioned she couldn't let that continue. What a terrible person, regardless of her mental health state.
>>809982>Things noticeably strange about heidi's post:>It's pretty fucking clear SHE IS WAY WAY more into the open relationship idea than jared was.
And Jared having 7 tumblrs to solicit fan nudes while banging Holly isn't being into the idea? Her one long distance mostly platonic dude is peanuts compared.
While I see what you're saying, if Heidi was so into the open relationship thing for her own sake she wouldn't have been so quick to immediately shut it down after everything with Holly went south.
I can only imagine what hers and Ross's marriage was like at this point if she's like 'I've never had feelings like this before'
I mean why even marry Ross to begin with???
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He's literally stonewalling her. Where are those pictures with their ”Maybe your crazy ex-girlfriend wasn't so crazy” type of Tumblr recovery blog posts?
Heidi reacting like that is literally just cementing stonewalling, gaslighting, and manipulation was going on. He probably couldn't talk because he had his hands full of Holly.
Is Jared supposed to look calm and abused in this? He sounds like a sociopath, and he's saying he tried to make things work between them while completely avoiding her with 0 reassurance isn't a great look.
Jared showed Heidi what Holly said, Jared was probably like, ”Look babe, Holly said you're abusive
isn't that fucked” and let Heidi to be the one to confront Holly about it who went full tail between legs and groveled while dealing out flattery ”Gosh, Heidi…you're so pretty it intimidates me, you're so right everything you say is so right”
No wonder she resents Heidi, she's probably humiliated she prostrated herself for nothing.
I have a strong feeling Holly was quiet because she was here obsessing over the situation and getting herself banned.
Sage for blogpost but as someone who's been in that same position of being manipulated into letting my partner fuck other girls (lots of "wow you're so controlling" when expressing unhappiness with it and "wow that's so cool and based of you" when approving) that's the exact mindset. You can really see it clearly and how much she's forcing herself in >>809760
, I've even experienced the exact same panic and need for reassurance that you're still wanted and liked right after trying to show your "support". It's a huge toll on the mind and emotionally. I can really understand why she got so desperately angry in those screencaps.
Ross is significantly more internet famous, is from a very wealthy family, and is nice/naive enough that he's easy to manipulate. She didn't need to have any actual feelings for him for the marriage to work out for her.>>809988>He's less famous now though
Which is likely also part of why she started monkey branching. The wife that loves her husband is always loyal no matter what. The asexual opportunist that marries for convenience is always on the prowl for a bigger, better deal.
Yeah, nailed it. She's overcompensating.
Been in the same situation as Heidi. Acted like "I don't care" but also trying to be extra open like "So did you sleep with anybody while I was gone?" Jared knows what he was doing.
>>809982>It's pretty fucking clear SHE IS WAY WAY more into the open relationship idea than jared was.>It's pretty fucking clear she is OBVIOUSLY TURNED ON by semi-cuck aspect of it and wants to both SHARE ALL THE DETAILS and RECEIVE all the details. Jared seems actually turned off by this.
I see it more as Heidi trying to be honest and transparent about her side relationship, and letting Jared have the opportunity to get involved without actually being involved (like, seeing the guy during.) I agree Jared seems turned off by it.
Jared is the type to like to secretly cuck more than openly. Jared probably didn't love the fact that she was being lewd with others, but knew that it was the only way to get away with his degeneracy, whether it be with Holly, or fans, or whoever else. He dealt with it so he could fall back on "Heidi also participated in the open relationship!!" excuse when she inevitably wanted it to stop.
Heidi seemed so desperate to please Jared in those texts asking for him to record videos for her LDR. Almost to the point of it looking like her trying to show Jared "See, this kind of respect and transparency is what you should be giving me back"
Maybe she was referring to another platform?>>809941>>809942
I wonder what was said between these two screenshots?
"lol u guys know me, would never cheat"
"okay so yeah we were doing things but everyone consented"
"okay so heidi didn't consent but that's cause she was abusive
and made us anxious"
next: "okay so sneaking around heidi is what made us anxious but idc i'm a smol bean asexual would never do nuthin wrong uwu"
we been knew she was cheating, as far back as feb 2018 when she ~caught feefees 4 da first time ever~. even if they weren't fucking yet, an emotional affair is still cheating.>>809941
u know i fucked up i am uwuuuuuuuuuu
god, holly is such a shit fucking person. i hope she never comes back from this.
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No mercy, Heidi. Tear them to shreds
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If she had continued to stay silent she would have eventually looked pretty good after everything. At least more mature, maybe even able to have the doubt it was as bad as Heidi said.
She had to post these, for healing for everyone!
If she had actually been getting mental help they would have told her to not react, to leave social media because it was causing her to have a breakdown. She has no concept of what crisis care is like and I would be genuinely be surprised if she’d seen any type of therapist in a long time. One of the first things you are taught is impulse control.
>This isn't it chief
seriously. both jared and holly pulled "crazy-making" on heidi. her hysteria in these texts doesn't mean anything except that two fucked up people gaslit her until she lost it.>>810027
unfollowing ross and deleting her tweets and mental health videos already made her look guilty. at this point she's just digging her own grave for anyone who has 2 brain cells to rub together.
I wouldn't be surprised though if she was in crisis care for a bit.
I mean, I too would be super suicidal if all my mistakes and infidelities came to light at once to come disrupt my fake internet persona of being a uwu mental health advocate and decent person.
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In these texts her huge issue is they didn't answer their phones for a few hours on their condoned, approved of, no holds barred date
I have no sympathy for any of them. A bunch of idiots.
It's undeniable too, he messaged the minors after he found out so he could start apologizing and dismissing blame.
He knew he fucked up, he tried to keep it hush-hush.
Holly worked with him to try and keep the minors he traded nudes with quiet.
Also, wasn’t Holly supposedly at a friend’s? Did she even bother to keep a consistent storyline?
Wow, all of Heidi's messages are so sad. You can feel her flailing for him and hoping he'd just give her some kind of acknowledgement. She didn't seem to be handling it that bad, honestly. He clearly was abusive
, this is honestly enough to tell.
Her responses are so concise and straightforward and there are no inconsistencies, it's so obviously coming from a place of truth and accuracy compared to Holly dancing around the issues, playing the victim
and making non stop emotional appeals rather than real arguments. It's easy to defend yourself when you've been doing the right thing all along.
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Holly, you dumb bitch.
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Same thing happened with her previous tweets about 'not trusting randos on the internet' followed by 'you can trust me, you guys know me' on the internet.
Dumb broad can't keep her tweet stories straight
She's trying to victim
blame but forgot she's a "umU mental illness advocate" so she threw a statistic in there. Jared is a fucking man, he could've left also. It doesn't make sense she was trying to paint Heidi as possessive where he couldn't fucking leave? He left the house to fuck Holly, didn't he?
And that's the crazy conceited part about Holly.
I can only imagine I'd go back to that den of lions is if I deceived myself into thinking my new stockpile of weapons and time to strategize will somehow make me overcome this.
Holly had at least a week to gather up her argument, cherrypick her screenshots, and twist the narrative in her favour; and this is all we got?
Holly on twitter>Heidi yelled at me and I got scare!
Holly irl>Heidi, I am so sorry I caused this situation you don't deserve this I’m glad Jared called me out on this
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So Holly knew all along.
I guess this is true and that's why it's so scary that 90% of people responding to her, even those against her, are just letting that slide.
I genuinely believe reading her tweets that Holly is legitimately thick and doesn't possess the ability to analyze her own behavior. She lacks emotional intelligence, so her reasoning in this situation is always going to boil down to, "Okay, so I'm morally right because .. I'm me! Duh, easy one. And the boy I like must ALSO be in the right because, uuuumm, I'm attracted to him! And this girl was mean to me, so she's evil. She got angry and yelled at me when I did something bad – that must be that 'abuse' everyone is always talking about online …"
It's really unfortunate that her fans view her as a public representative and educator about mental health topics when she doesn't even possess the ability to examine the way SHE treats other people. So many female narcissists avoid confronting themselves their whole lives because they misidentify feelings of guilt and shame from MISTREATING other people as part of a separate, unrelated species of maladaptive mentally ill thinking. No. You are an insecure narcissist who lashes out at other women.
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She does it a lot in the thread, cant even keep her lies straight
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She hung up with Heidi using Jared's phone….then texted him?
*as much of a victims
as Heidi is, and the underaged victims
damn my keyboard had a stroke there
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Jared's Instagram comments are all clown emojis lmao
Woah there, let's pump the brakes on the empathy there.
Holly CHOSE to sleep with Jared. Whether or not Ross knew or cared is mute
She wasn't tricked or manipulated into sex, she chose every time yo cheat and then continue like nothing happened
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So apparently the other guy Heidi was in a relationship with during their open marriage was a guy who goes by Nulyu. Here's a picture of him and Jared in Sailor Moon cosplay.
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KF may have identified the guy who "wants to watch me suck your monster dong". (front/left), which->>810076
>>810064>cheats on her husband>cheats with her friend's husband>complicit in Jared soliciting nudes from underage fans>ignores the many times Heidi clearly stated how much it was hurting her>attempts to manipulate public opinion with lies and attacks on Heidi's character rather than addressing her own behaviour>victim
She may not be as bad as Jared and I'm sure he did manipulate her to some extent, but she is not a victim
letalone anywhere NEAR as much as his fucking wife or the vulnerable fans he took advantage of. She wronged people over and over and somehow still thinks she isn't at fault.
This. Holly is being incredibly spiteful and malicious here. She's posting screenshots of Heidi being anguished by Jared's infidelity and refusal to cooperate with saving their marriage as "proof" of how "abusive
" she is. If my slimebag earthworm of a husband was cheating on me for months with one of my closest friends and basically flipped me the bird every time I tried to talk to him about it, I'd probably be yelling too. Holly has been branding herself as a "mental health soft bean advocate uwu", where's her understanding of mental wellbeing now? Or do you have to gain your right to be depressed by tweeting about it for a certified time?
The only thing these receipts proved to me is that Heidi was being truthful about Holly's manipulation. In all honesty Holly's the one who's being vindictive here grasping at straws trying to make Heidi look bad with cherrypicked screenshots (trying to pass shit like >>809793
as proof is just sad), and never addressing herself cheating on Ross
or the whole fucking thing about Jared not leaving Heidi despite fucking Holly for a YEAR.
You made your bed Holly, now you have to lie in it. Heidi wasn't the one holding a gun to Jared's head telling him to fuck her, it was your own fucking choice to do it for months on end.
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>hey guys, i'm back from the loony bin - i checked myself in there because i'm suwucidal~~~!!!!
>anyway, here are some cherry picked receipts and hole-filled tweets
>i was just TRYING to save my GOOD FRIEND from an ABUSIVE MARRIAGE……………… BY FUCKING HIM
>also icheatedonmyhusband and his pedophilia?? just some mistakes guys lol everybody has those wacky mental health days!
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Someone made a throwaway account finding this out for Keemstar three days ago
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Oh I recognize that name. He's the same guy I saw Keemstar lashed out at.
Goddamn, Holly sounds like a doormat. Like a dog staying completely still when you're facing and then attacking when you show it your back.
The true villain idiot in all of this is Jared, Holly should realized she was played as well instead of trying to save that sinking ship of a relationship with an exhibitionist
Is he just remarkably pretty or ftm? Instagram description even has the male symbol stereotype.
Better that Jared, regardless.
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>We were walking around the con and a girl asked for our photo so we just did a basic pose, then she was like, "can it be a pairing photo?" Anyway that made my day, (CENSORED) forever.
(CENSORED) being HangexLevi.https://twitter.com/AtelierHeidi/status/924773317239824384>>810093
put it in the email field to not bump
lol no I have never heard of him (or any of these people really other than holly and ross kinda but mostly the other grumps) but he's just very cute and >>810099
wtf this is the most confusing now, is he ftm???? I thought he was cis but now I can't tell. if he is dude is just hella androgynous. he looks like an anime girl.
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More photos of the other guy. Also bonus Jared in cosplay.
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Here's a screenshot of the post, dated.
I was only the last one. Some people just like femme dudes. Clearly Heidi does since she only goes for guys with 100% smooth, undefined torsos, small shoulders, and frail arms.
We should probably stop shitting up the thread with unrelated Nulyu though.
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Nulyu may poke holes in Holly's "Heidi was sleeping around too" defense though.
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Might as well cap it, considering we're on an image board. >>810123
I was >>810104
, there's no self posting here. He just looks like one of those sadboi BJDs that were popular on tumblr a while back, which is why probably why everyone's frothing in their knickers over it. I'm not fussed on it, but it's pretty obvious that he's not a fakeboi
That's what I meant by "unrelated." Such as his appearance and what not.
Not all Nulyu is OT.
I'm all for posting him as long as it doesn't devolve into zoom ups of his nipples with red circles around a cluster of pixels.
>>809982>It's pretty fucking clear SHE IS WAY WAY more into the open relationship idea than jared was.
No she is not.
From the pattern of the messages, it is glaringly obvious that it is a conversation between a girl super desperate to appease her husband and have him pay attention to her, while the guy is ignoring her and giving her the cold shoulder in favour of being with Holly. The polyamory bullshit was pretty obviously a desperate attempt to get Jared back, so to speak. She is hamming it up way too much to be sincere. I've been in that role before and I can tell.
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god i hate this bitch
I almost don't blame you, I'd probably want to do that for a friend too, but no one in the thread has tried to shit on him yet, other than that anon who thought anyone who complimented him was the same person.
You should try to get him to unprivate soon. If he and Heidi have been more or less honest thus far, it can only help their situation to have it out in the open and not hide like Holly did.
you’re so?? angry
i just don’t like the idea of him being here, i’ve been lurking the thread for a while just idly, and that’s all. chill
Didn't Holly give one of the underage victims
' contact info to Jared without consent at some point after she (the victim
) reached out to Normalboots? Mental health advocacy is my passion! >>810049
This. She keeps tripping over her words and contradicting herself, it's almost painful to look at. I've seen snakes like her a lot of times in my life and recognize this behavior, she knows she's lost the battle but is trying all the dirty tricks in her bag to come out sparkly clean. Too bad it backfired on her immediately because Heidi has no fucking mercy with her (absolutely justified) wrath.
i understand, and he won’t be private forever, but someone evidently is trying to drag him into this and yeah
sorry for pooping the thread
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Most of you probably already check the KF thread but for those who don't want to know how nulyu is suddenly known as Heidi's bf.
The names line up, and Heidi mentioned cosplaying and getting asked to do a "pairing" pose and it made her day, the name/shipname was censored so her bf is probably cosplay related.
He does cosplay with her a lot, and was in a lot of the twitter stuff defending her.
Give it a rest anon, he's not the subject of the thread. If I'd just stumbled across lolcow and saw that a friend of mine who was currently drama-adjacent was being posted I'd worry too. >>810166
There are a couple of anons thirsting over your friend but we're in support of Heidi and the proposed creeping is mostly just to see if they can find anything that corroborates her story.
Whenever you make a post that doesn't have fresh/pertinent info (e.g., opinions, shitposting, anything vaguely off-topic), put "sage" in the email field so it doesn't bump the thread. You can click on the number of the post you want to reply to, and it will pop up in the reply box (which you seemed to have figured out by now).https://lolcow.farm/info https://lolcow.farm/rules
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It's a woman and this photo is either photoshopped or it's post-op with the straps covering the scars.
Now stop derailing.
He's not a woman nor has he ever been one
Stop with your paranoia that you think a slightly pretty man = FTM(derailing)
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I could see him having two phones with the excuse of "business vs personal", but it's more likely Jared kept them both played against the other because he enjoyed them "fighting over him".
If he showed Heidi the messages, told Holly that she was wrong and called her Holly for saying that…is it wrong to assume Jared was beside her and handed Heidi the phone to call Holly? Then Heidi handed the phone back and they talked about how off base Holly was?
Holly was groveling to Heidi, she wanted back in and not have Jared "cut off" from her. She got exactly what she wanted, and it only took a year of being an absolute snake. Jared kept Heidi to stay by saying he'd change, Jared got Holly to stay by saying he would leave his wife when things got rocky.
What pisses me off is Holly considers herself the main character in EVERYONE'S life, not just hers. She's misunderstood, she's the hero and the victim
! Jared was so unhappy, what else was she supposed to do but repeat over and over that Heidi was abusive
til he got annoyed enough by Heidi saying no to him and just straight up ignored her texts?
I don't feel bad for Holly or Jared because they lied and manipulated each other in equal amounts and without the thrill of going behind Heidi's back they will have nothing, I say go off Heidi let it all out and enjoy it. Not many women get to see their abuser face consequences for their actions.
I've seen this happen so many times and everyone sticks by the abuser, and they still would have this time if the pedophile shit hadn't come out-which is FUCKED. It's like other anons said, this situation happens way too often.
Anyways Holly better watch out, her old position just opened up kek
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Heidi's approval for the poly bullshit hinged on Ross knowing. She doesn't know what they told him, but it looks like she did her due diligence.
She's desperate to be the victim
. It's the only role she knows how to play. She could've headed a lot of the backlash off at the pass if she'd just admitted she did something wrong, but she's incapable of taking responsibility for herself.
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I hate it that, after she predictabbly pulled off "mental health uwu i'm a victim
" card, people instantly fell for it. Even though her screenshots prove nothing and she managed to contradict herself.
She posts this "thanks tweethearts for believing in me uwu" and replies are full of support, just what the fuck.
Her first tweet after the fiasco refers to Jared as "someone I (Holly) helped get out of abusive
relationship" and not only that, she denies him being a fucking creepy pedo too.
Yet people believe she in the right while demonizing Heidi for being a cringy cool girl who later turned angry.
Holly's response screams blatant narcissism.
>>810201>It's the only role she knows how to play.
She can't even play it well, have you SEEN her in >>809396
? I don't think Holly is capable of experiencing and processing normal human emotions, let alone convincingly expressing them.
Lol, you still side with Heidi despite knowing both sides of the story and knowing she consented and decided to ruin Holly and Jared when she got jealous
Fuck heidi, she is no victim
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This lurker popping in helped a little.
Except Holly proved that Heidi made it public first?>>809933
Until Ross says his side of the story you can't assume that it was actually cheating, for all you know Ross was aware and accepting of it.
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There is a clear difference between making a vent post with a "friends only" setting on FB vs. making an announcement on a very public Twitter account with hundreds of thousands of followers. If you don't understand this, then you are being willfully ignorant. If you read Heidi's FB post, it even says that she hasn't gone public with the information.
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Who cares? Jared is a pedophile. None of that would have came out if Heidi didn't come forward.
>>810237>Heidi's undoubtedly large FB friends list
Its not like, her cosplay page, its her actual friends and associates. Despite how "large" you assume it to be, it would have only stayed within that friend group probably. It only came to light when she posted publicly on twitter. Telling friends is not being "public" any way you look at it.
If she had posted to a cosplay page, then I'd agree with you. But it wasn't. It was her personal account.
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Meanwhile, Holly's friends are still pushing the narrative that Heidi is abusive while forgetting that Holly is fucking and defending an alleged pedophile.
is it still alleged when he admits his guilt in his apologies to his victims
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Jessica (at least I believe it's the same Jessica) is whiteknighting Holly in r/projared.
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How exceptional they all are
So turns out Heidi was never a monogamous pure angel but that she pushed for the polyamory relation, had her own affair and her own boyfriend, she knew well in advance about Jared and Holly and was okay with them fucking, she encouraged it and was cool with not telling Ross ever, she was okay with Jared sending nudes and requesting nudes from fans and encouraged too and high fived him. Yet Heidi wants really hard to be a victim so we are suddenly led to believe she was an innocent angel that got manipulated, just because she eventually got salty about Holly and Jared's feelings. Just THEN she decided it wasn't kosher no more, but the open relationship was great when she was the one getting dick.
Everyone here is an inmature asshole, Heidi is just another snake on the bunch, she obviously has money on her mind and the true moral in this is never ever date gamers and cosplayers and never fall for the poly trap.(Ban evasion)
I mean, Heidi has texts between them where they talked about their previous fuck sessions, but even if that's not true, she has proof they sent each other nudes and sexted a lot which is bad when you're both married to different people.
And even if ALL THAT isn't true. It's undeniable fact that he willingly sent nudes to someone underage and coerced them to send them back knowing full well the person was underage
Yeah how incredible that she was brave enough to tell us she checked into a mental hospital as a result of backlash towards her being a shitty person.
To be honest, I'm not even sure why in her narrative she'd check into a mental hospital. She said she didn't even do anything wrong. She clearly doesn't feel bad about herself or her actions, and literally none of her response in anyway reflects any kind of soul searching or closure. It's just more shit flinging.
100% sympathy points. She has a record of poor mental health. Half her persona is depressed manic pixie girl>>810282
People stick up for their friends even if they find out they were doing shit because it's not a ride or die situation, it's a "oh fuck I was too dumb to realize this person is shit but I dont want to come to terms with my poor judgment so might as well back them whole heartedly".
Under normal circumstances, yes it should he private, but their entire job is being a public persona. If someone shits on you and makes you look bad, that's less followers on Twitter, less influence , and no job.
We fucking get it, bla bla it should be private , this isn't the same as finding out your barista cheated on their wife, that guy still has a job slinging coffee.
Jared's first divorce post made Heidi look like she was at fault and because she too is public persona , had to defend herself which shes constantly been having to do. Well that and mainly because shes been having to deal with this shit for a year and needs to air our the shit laundry.
Holly on the other hand is just trying to save any face she has left because her only job is being an uwu insta mental health advocate influencer. You cant be talking about safe coping mechanisms when you're a fucking cheating homewrecker
super non-contribution but it's absolutely breaking my heart that not only was heidi made to find out about her husband's infidelity over fucking text messages
, she then needed to ALSO confront the two assholes THROUGH text messages and wasn't even awarded the courtesy of sitting down and talking things out. she was basically left alone with her thoughts while these two fucked around and made out all over cons.
mental health and self harm my ass. holly can eat shit, and >>810260
>>810256 can get fucked right alongside her
It's as if there's a shitty constant in this equation… now what might that be…
Holly and her flying monkeys continue to astonish with their martyrdom. And that Jess bitch is working the passive-aggressive spin angles like she's getting paid.
that's exactly what you are doing here lmfao. Imagine being so deluded as to still portray Heidi as a victim
. The only reason you are banning everyone and erasing dissent from the main opinion is because you are either someone close to Heidi or are hypocrite tumblrina Fujoshis just like her.
Because it was like open but not open. and i like approved of everything but not, so like woe me - Heidi(Ban evasion)
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stop spreading your autism everywhere
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Holly checking into the hospital for her victim
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Yeah definitely this user, correctly going back and forth between the KF and LC threads
She's desperate, that's why. She doesn't really listen to herself, she's grasping at straws trying to save her reputation by taking Heidi down. People like her can't just accept the L and put their guns down, they're willing to embarrass themselves to ridiculous levels instead of apologizing. She knows she's lying out of her ass (or at least twisting the truth) but I doubt she cares at this point. The most important thing is that she doesn't have to admit to doing something bad. Not ONCE does she apologize for cheating on Ross, for not causing Heidi pain and for defending Jared taking advantage of underage fans, she's just sticking to the "I saved a man from an abusive
crazy wife by fucking him" story like her life depended on it.
Yeah, that's exactly the point. Using the "can't for legal reasons" kind of gets thrown out the window when you have what they're doing going on.
It's like how in all of this initial shitstorm Heidi conveniently left out she participated in the poly stuff AND had someone, it was just "jared did this blahblah I have proof."
So at this point, they all kind of broke any legal obligation they had lol.
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who is this retarded? nice find, nonnies.
Its a long term strategy:
From>I was triying to save Jared
to>I was manipulated by Jared too, I'm sorry
She was also upset about the Pink Pill threads existing on /ot/, unironically defends Vic Mignogna, and shits on girls from both LC and PULL. Kind of a trip to see my suspicions about certain specific spergs on this site were true. Now all I need is to find out that she's actually a tranny who's been complaining about GC threads on top of it all.
Makes me wonder why she keeps coming back just to ban evade, bitch about getting banned, and bitch about the site and its users as a whole. Such people might as well stay with their beloved neckbeards of KF.
If that's her long term strategy she's going about it in a very stupid way. Personally attacking Heidi with weak screenshots, as well as acknowledging that she knew all about Jared's sollicitation of minors and thinks it's no biggie, both point towards her being fully in the know and complicit and will make it harder for her to play the innocent manipulated victim
later. I think she genuinely believes she can still discredit everyone speaking out against her and Jared and come out of this smelling like roses. I also get the impression she really dislikes Heidi with a passion and is letting this opportunity to publicly attack her cloud her judgement, as evidenced by the constant contradictions and backpedaling:>>810310
… everyone needs a hobby? All kidding aside, every forum seems to get its own tired old kebab bitch, and maybe Jess is looking for a new home.
Maybe she's not getting enough attention and Cool Girl points from KF any more? Hit a wall, have we? kek
uwu… holly is such a bwave birb for checking herself into the hospital uwu #mentalhealth~~~
God I can't believe all these fucking retards are in their 30s
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I understand Heidi not mentioning her other partner since they were together in 2017 when the marriage was open
Heidi isn't angry about any partner Jared had in 2017 (Altho she isn't thrilled it was a fan for obvious reasons), she's angry about sex he had once the marriage was closed.
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I'm assuming Holly is attempting to "take the higher ground" and trying to act like the haturz don't matter. Holly you can't save face anymore
I don't go there, but the reason someone would push that sort of narrative is PART OF THE ISSUE AND WHAT IS BEING USED AS AN ARGUMENT TOWARDS JARED she herself is/was also a part of.
So the reason she feels it would distract is because she comes off initially as Jared is the only one in the wrong and like she was just the doting wife going along with it and not participating.
So finding out she DID participate it in as well is why people focus on it. If she would have been honest from the start, you wouldn't have people hanging onto that narrative.
It's only working out nicely for Heidi because any semblance of her not being "innocent" is met with vitriol.
No one forgot what jared's done nor holly lol.
this ~healing~ vs. ~harming~ shit is just buzzwords to generalise and deflect criticism but it's infinitely more stupid than ordinary fake positivity.
her reclaiming things such as the clown emoji or the side hoe quote ("gotta take hard things with humor teehee~") and acting like the bigger person to look good is NOT working>>810472
all this wait for her to do something, anything and now I can't wait for her to shut up again
"child pornography" doesn't fall onto Jared unless he still has the pictures/videos. Secondly, DISTRIBUTION carries the harsher charge, so as much as we wanna see Jared burn, the underage people will get in far more trouble far sooner, because Murcia.
This. So far Heidi has been truthful about everything and admitted to open marriage when it was addressed, while explaining the details of their deal. Yet still we have an army of autists yelling "WELL SHE WASN'T HONEST ABOUT THAT ONE THING
WAS SHE NOW" like it disregards everything else she has said.
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These reddit comments summing up my thoughts quite well.
I wish people would quit fighting over whether Holly or Heidi is worse and focus on the dude that clearly played both sides.
His responses to all of the texts between him and Heidi that Holly posted were all meek and in agreement with Heidi's frustrations but i'd bet anything that his messages to Holly are singing a different tune.
Dude is a tool. He's the one everyone should be focusing on. These two women are just a product of his douchbaggery.
Cognitive dissonance up the wazoo. I genuinely believe Holly has so deeply internalized the idea that Heidi is the abuser that all the information saying otherwise is making her feel the need to justify her actions to herself.
Don't get me wrong, what she's doing is bullshit. But I think it's more of an "average people do shitty things" bullshit than anything else.
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>>810453>healing healing healing uwu
I don't know Holly, did Jared's dick heal you or hurt you? Did his dickpics heal or hurt his underage fans?
Keep in mind she did receive a mail from one of his underage victims
detailing all the proof and this was month before the cheating scandal.
She chose to ignore the evidence. Now she says all victims
were confirmed to be adult.
She can't really jump boat since there is proof that she knew what was going on.
She couldn't claim to be a victim
of Jared because she knows Heidi has texts proving otherwise. It's easier for her to just point the finger at Heidi and claim she's the master manipulator 4d chess player in all of this because of the text caps she has of her and Jared makes Heidi look bad out of context(she certainly doesn't look great either way). She's all about that "uwu mental health* but, thinks it's perfectly find to point hate in the other direction and dismiss Jared's fan nude exchanges as "bad decisions". She's fucking retarded.
this seems pretty correct. all the women involved are crazy and selfish to varying degrees but jared used that to pit them against each-other and play them all.
it sucks how they're all trying to drag ross into it as leverage, saying he knew or supported it or whatever when he clearly didn't and cant defend himself.
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confirmation that this rat bastard is fucked
Basically Heidi's idea of poly relationship was larping with a fellow cosplayer.
While Jared idea of poly was fucking his fans and her best friend.
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Look what kf found
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saged because this is not as important/not really milk, but it's good to see people aren't absolutely blinded by holly's uwu bullshit
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Holly thinks she can pull a James Charles reversal, & of course her fans are eating it up.
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Last one, and with a restraining order
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Mods please stop banning Jessica, it made her have a seizure! KEK
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>"everyone who was dissing them are real quiet now"
You sure 'bout that bud?
the petitioner is jared. if i'm reading this correctly (non-US anon here) HE is the one who asked for a restraining order? did he think that would work as a replacement for an NDA kek
i still maintain that this is creepy as shit though. we don't need this until it's deets on a child grooming case or something similar>>810556
my fucking sides
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It likely has nothing to do with domestic abuse but rather an order that is commonly used in divorces to keep people from messing with bank accounts and other assets until the divorce is final
definitely didn't just look it up online, saw the symptoms and suddenly believe you had one or talked to someone in your "uwu my mental health" group who is totally a doctor and claimed that was what you had
>I'm in the forest of an MRI machine
is this the same ~uwu hospital~ that holly went to?
agreed. the idiots in holly's tweets keep ranting about it and somehow conveniently forget heidi stated, multiple times, that it was an LD platonic relationship. smdh.
wonder if this is why nulyu privated his stuff? i'm no troon but having your trans status broadcasted all over the internet because of a cheating skank who caused drama can't be pleasant, i'd think.
Agreed, he played them all. People trying to turn it on Heidi for also seeing someone while they were poly
are people that must be critical of the concept of an open marriage itself imo. There's no other reason they should classify a side dick during an open relationship "cheating" bc it's been agreed upon by both parties so… Heidi's entire point is that they redefined boundaries and Jared trampled them. People have got to be willfully ignoring the mechanics of a polyamorous relationship in order to still think less of Heidi in this story.>>810556>Forest or MRI machine
Try the bottom of a cliff henny>>810565
The trans shit is so irrelevant. Even if Heidi doesn't believe in trans being a real identity, she could just be bisexual. Platonic or not, it doesn't make a difference bc it was sanctioned by their OPEN FUCKING MARRIAGE. It was a relationship that took place while the poly was going on and Heidi's argument is that boundaries were set and then crossed by Jared. This Nulyu person extremely doesn't matter
I see. I'm a bit worried the narrative is going to shift too much and Heidi's gonna let people derail from her initial, solid arguments. She needs to stick to her shit till the end bc she is right and Jared is obviously the one in the wrong. Holly is shit too but to a lesser degree.
The side dick situation is simply outing retarded people that don't care about boundaries and only care if a woman sees people on the side in an open marriage.>>810575
It changes some of the tertiary context but I don't think it's important compared to all the other aspects of the situation, such as Jared's obvious stonewalling shown in Holly's own receipts. Whether Heidi agreed to poly due to manipulation or not is more nebulous ans difficult to convince people on. I think arguing on more solid terms such as Jared transparently violating the terms of their relationship is a better strategy here.
Ok if they are FTM this adds much
needed context to how upset Heidi got when he seemed disinterested in them having a threesome. Because he was't interested in a female dynamic with a cis woman and a ftm, but was
interested in a whole bunch of lone females like everyone he messaged and Holly. The "open relationship uwu" was the worst cover for sleeping with other women. He is intentionally vague by saying she had multiple guys on the side when she had one
ftm on the side which is very
different due to how the sex would play out. Even if they were a cis male, he doesn't match with the narrative Peded is spinning, and if they are trans it makes Holly's inclusion of those texts about dicks seem more manipulative to the audience
Heidi was a fool for attempting to play along with the poly thing when she clearly wasn't coping with it at all
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Heidi going for the jugular
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Ah yes, the real
problem here is that damn 'Cancel-Culture'
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Love how they're trying to manipulate the story to other Youtubers as well…
oh my fucking god, first shuwu tries to insert herself into the beauty community drama, and now this midget chipmunk can't shut up.
go away, no one wants your 20/20 hindsight wisdom
I'm so fucking mad that people can't see the obvious stonewalling Jared inflicted upon Heidi to make her so batshit in the first place. It's in Holly's receipts… >>810585
Ok fuckface but minors themselves have come forward so…?
>>810585>heidi and her fanbase
are you serious??
post-drama numbers for their respective instagrams:
heidi – 34k
holly – 223k
what the fuck is this idiot smoking
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>>810585>Holly is clearly afraid of Heidi and her fanbase
Wtf, if anybody has a fanbase to fear it's Holly, GG fans have been up her ass for years about Holly being an uwu manic pixie soft smol bean bird girl. There are only so many people defending Heidi because they feel bad for a woman who got cheated on by a scumbag rodent.
What Chris is saying is right, but only to a certain degree.
of abuse have been isolated to the point in which the only
way to finally say anything
about it is just 'screaming out into the void'.
I'm sure if Jared didn't make that public
post about their divorce, this whole thing wouldn't have blown up like it did.
people drew fanart of the characters fucking and both Holly and Jared loved it
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Chris, stay out of this if you want to live.
I'm surprised Shuwu isn't inserting herself into this.
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just thought of checking up on what jessie (heidi's friend) has had to say, and she's not letting up either lmao>>810603
she's too busy trying to get jeffree/tati/james charles' attention kek
>>810612>and if you need both peoples agreement to open it, I’m not buying that suddenly you can close it on your own when your feelings get hurt.
let's go over this again.
1. husband wants an open marriage, wife doesn't – NO open marriage
2. wife wants an open marriage, husband doesn't – NO open marriage
3. both husband and wife agree to open marriage – YES open marriage
if this is valid
at the time of starting an open relationship.
why is it not valid
at the time of wanting to return to monogamy.
christ on a cracker why am i feeding the trolls
This, it does twist the narrative upside down. They keep saying that Heidi took full advantage of the open marriage by keeping a long-distance relationship with another man to justify the claim that she was "completely fine and even partaking" in the poly thing. If you have the image in your head that she's actually seeing another man, of course you'd think she's "just as into it as Jared". But when you see realize it's just her making couple cosplays with a fellow female cosplayer larping as an anime boy, it suddenly becomes a lot clearer that Heidi WASN'T profiting that much from their "open relationship" setting. At least compared to Jared who was sending nudes to minors and fucking their mutual friend who returned the infatuation. And yeah whatever Heidi identifies as ~bisexual~ blah blah blah but let's not dance around the obvious here. >>810619
By "main bitch" do you mean being his only romantic interest/wife? She was open to it when it was casual sex (even then she wanted to include Jared in her sex with cosplayer man), she didn't like it when Jared and Holly weren't transparent and then it moved to more actual romantic feelings.
of her to be upset that clearly Jared just didn't want the marriage anymore, but also didn't wanna give up dedicated pussy from Heidi
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I had to laugh at this response
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>Let's stop talking about my lover being a pedo and focus on my pigeon dying instead
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That’s a common misconception, basic telecom isn’t permitted fairly often.
Also “but that way of thinking is old” is just an appeal to novelty. People haven’t considered polyamory largely a poor idea for a marriage because tradition says so, it’s because human nature hasn’t changed in many thousands of years and some things just werk. The word marriage itself comes from ancient roots and literally meant the union of one man and one woman. It’s dumb to try to buck that almost universal cultural trend because a bunch of nerverts didn’t get it on enough in their early 20’s>>810624>>810626
That’s the issue with opening your relationship. An exclusive relationship built on trust is a marriage. Opening a marriage inherently drives a rift through its foundation. It’s a pandora’s box. Most people like exclusivity with their partners, men especially so. Even if it’s just the illusion thereof. The reality of the matter is that you are slashing whatever level of respect a man has for you, consciously or otherwise, if the two of you are in an exclusive relationship and you approach to make it inclusive. It won’t matter what rules and regulations you put on it. If Heidi seriously thought she could make a move that would outright kill a lot of marriages and remain Jared’s emotional #1 then she’s either naive, stupid, or pretending to be. If anything she should have initiated the divorce if the circumstances are as you describe them.
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Heidi keeping us focused on the important things
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Yeah, okay, "#MeToo" is the problem here
can we sage the marriage fuckery?>>810640
bless you anon. i was just going to post this. fuck Jared, he knew exactly what he was doing with his "statement" and holly's.
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I feel so bad for laughing. God I'm glad that's not me.
I don't think so. I think it's more that people like to have FULL INFORMATION because despite your sperge, people 99% of the time will NEVER take a male's side, so all of a sudden we get more info she just happened to leave out, it's going to raise some eyebrows.
Normally that pushes you into being suspected of lying, but since she's a woman she gets a pass. Imagine if Jared left out stuff and suddenly revealed it after someone else made passing mention?
People would crucify him even more than he's gotten in this timeline.
Dude, people were immediately siding with Heidi cus she's a pretty girl and sounded like she had been betrayed. Once it turned out she (gasp!!) wanted to try polyamory, KF immediately found a photo of her without make up to say how ugly she is and what a slut she is for.. i guess enjoying sex?
If you want to hate on Heidi for being an emotional person during an emotional time, fuck off to kiwifarm
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Guessing this is about Nuylu
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Went to check on the 4chan archives and for some reason I thought they'd be more supportive of Heidi.
Because the kiwifarm thread attracted incels who can't fathom that a woman was a victim
so they're trying to make the abused woman the villain
Sage for OT, but the more I see of this the more I can relate to Heidi as a victim
of a guy lying and going behind your back for months. Fuck Jared.
That wasn't always true actually if you look at past grump threads, Holly was always viewed neutral/okish on here because snooze was always seen as the way worse female grump(for obvious reasons).
It wasn't until this whole drama did everyone realize she's a complete bitch (beside for a few anons who always found her uwu smol mentally ill persona shady).
Heidi brought the fucking milk so it's hard to go against her even though she's guilty of being an idiot (never agree to poly with your husband EVER) and probably could have handled things better but, bless her for bring this crazy shit to the internet. Plus, she gave Jared's victims
a voice, they might have never spoken up if she didn't bring this all to light.
I think many of us have personally or witnessed somebody like Jared (or even Holly) in their private life or felt for people like this.
more partners more problems
fuck Heidi, who cares about her. Holly is just trying to shift the narrative from Jared creeping on teens. Don’t let her.
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It doesn’t take four years to separate wtf.
I’ve known far wealthier people than Heidi to separate with kids and it’s a six month affair at worst provided the split is mutual.
This shit boils my blood.
Holly, it's not about YOUR feelings. It's not about your self diagnosed depressed asexual homewrecking ass. It's not about how worried YOU were or how all these feels were new to YOU. None of this is about you, but you made it only about you. Only your feelings mattered in every choice you made, which is abundantly clear since you thought it was appropriate to fuck a married man while you were "helping out of a toxic
marriage." God just fuck off. Saging for spergout but oml she is so self centered throughout this.
Ah, another anon who can't read.>none of the parties are innocent here, especially since Heidi knew about the sexting thing
She found out about the sexting in 2017 and said "that's fucked," demanded Jared to stop, and assumed he would stop. Like him sexing Holly, he did not stop. >>808125
"The reason I thought it ended then was because I demanded he end it, because it's unacceptable."
I mean I imagine they do exist when there are the bare minimum feelings but at that point you’re just FWB.
There’s a more common term for people that age comfortable having noncommittal sex with multiple partners though.
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go away incel. you're unwanted
Literally no one swept it under the rug.
Stop being retarded.
There's nothing new in regards to Jared himself, this is literally about shit between Holly and Heidi, now that Heidi is starting to admit to things herself.
just stop man it does work sometimes you just might not have seen it working
A poly relationship is less to manage per person but it can be more to manage total and neither mono or poly is easier too many differences in each situation
Please try to get two or three fwbs at the same time at some point in your life or just be mad and never try it it’s up to you
Also some people are good at setting and keeping expectations unlike Jared and Heidi who let’s be honest were never going to make it monogamos or poly it seemed like a crutch and how are you going to have any normal relationship with Jared
Heidi is either not really that mad at holly or does not have nudes on hand anymore because she already crossed that line of destroying a reputation over a situation that is mostly Jared’s fault and at least somewhat her fault possibly more than the side chick’s(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Yeah he definitely shows it in the Game Grumps Instagram takeover videos, I loved his takeover videos but it's honestly pretty sad to watch them back now, especially the part where he's so enthusiastic about Holly's crafting skills.
His first takeover with Holly is at 1:38 and the other takeover with Holly in it is at 8:38, 10:28 definitely did not age well.
I genuinely hope Ross finds someone who actually cares for him. I'm just glad he seems to be doing well despite this entire shit show.
Ross is doing great and his response was great
He convinced me he was a good guy and he’s the one who really deserves a million subscribers
please don’t have a scandal ross
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I mean one of the victims
said he liked looking at the nudes from people and get hard during stream
He probably kept them regardless to keep getting hard in front of his under-aged stream audience
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sage because it’s not totally related but people are hounding Ross enough that he’s taking a break from streaming. not only did Holly ruin their marriage but her opening her mouth only made it harder for Ross to ignore this bullshit
She deleted the Ross related tweets shortly after it was posted here that Arin (and Barry and Vernon) still followed her, wondering if her tweets would make them unfollow her. It lines up with the theory that the asshat that keeps popping up here is Jessica.
I hope its what you said though. It'd have stung a lot more for her.
Well he did say as much as he did say he’s leaving it in the past and moving on
I just wish other people would respect his wishes on the matter though
1. read rules and usage info.
2. no one here is harassing ross. speculating on a website he doesn't even know about is not harassment.
This is like the third time I've had to say it this thread, >yes, even Heidi, it could be very well come out she knew about the young fans
She knew about the tumblrs' existences back in 2017 and asked Jared to close them all and stop, expecting him to stop, and didn't pursue it until the recent discoveries because she (like any sane person) thought he actually would. Because it's bad. But he didn't.
In reddit they are talking about how the screen capture of Heidi being crazy may be fake.
Some redditor used an internet website to check artifacts on the images.
These are normal ones, that has similar artifactshttp://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=bc22b28b1ea6dd33165c9ce5ea44367ede9ee89a.93692http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=96eb903ac5b173998549ff73db74ec648a078b8e.91448
This is the one that might be edited, in which heidi's replies has no artifactshttp://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=aee2c9c3b8df0cb2b230ec6a1544ed8acc7bb985.64470
I have no idea of how this stuff works.
Maybe anyone here knows more about this shit and the validity of this claim?
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Thanks, I'll include caps of the thread in case the commenters delete their posts
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and the first reply
Yeah I don't buy it, this is conspiracy to the point of being nonsensical. The third screenshot is not any more "damning" towards Heidi than the second one, and the second one ends with the same text bubble that the third one begins with. Not to mention that all three screenshots have entirely different artifacting from compression and only look superficially alike, and that the third image has a different compression level than the first two.
If it were faked, I would expect Heidi to have called it out immediately, not to mention to have the receipts to prove it to be false (since her replies are presumably coming from her phone, which she presumably still has access to).
Accepting it as true doesn't mean much anyway, it only seems shocking because it's cut entirely out of context. Heidi is losing her mind after, as she says in the screenshots themselves (and no one denies), weeks and/or months of Jared either lying to her face about the situation with Holly or outright ignoring/avoiding confrontation when he knows he violated the explicit agreement they had about the open marriage. Jared did something wrong, violated Heidi's trust and/or agreement, and then chose to avoid dealing with it for weeks like a cowardly snake rather than own up to it from the start.
Not to mention, there are some very weird allusions to bits of conversation that were cut out of the screenshots that call into question what exactly Holly was doing in this situation. Jared mentions having to "talk to her" because he doesn't want to watch Heidi suffer, and then says that "she probably wasn't going to do shit". Was Holly threatening to do something to Heidi? Was Holly supposed to be initiating talks with Jared, but failed to do so? Is this perhaps a double failure on both Jared and Holly to uphold promises and agreements to Heidi, and the constant betrayal of trust is what led to the breakdown in text? Methinks so.
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>i WaS iN tHe HoSpiTal
Is that why she was the samefag who was WK herself and responding to herself and agreeing to herself AND ban evading for about a week, then got her own name tag three days ago AFTER the new thread was already made trynna bump that shit to post limit.
Wow, I wish I had access to lolcow and VPNs in psych wards, we got a fucking king of the castle here.
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Here she goes again, posting more "oh woe is me!!" shit.
"Hey you may hate me for being an hypocritical victim
-blaming homewrecker but think about how much worse it is to be chronically ill than the things I did! By the way did you know my mom is dead?"
I'm just kind of laughing at how all this is happening around her birthday though.
Also how is this NOT trying to Garner sympathy when you still make it all about you with your birds and mental healt
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>>811018>my mother had MS>i'm thankful i'm alive>pls save the pigeons from dying, help the animals>muh mental heal– i mean muh bar is so low today>did i mention i had to deal with watching my MS-ridden mother
yeah poor holly :( I wonder why anyone would accuse you of trying to garner sympathy?? i bet you anything they're goons sent by heidi to harass your totally uwu smol mentally ill person and scream at you insanely juuust like she did.
i stg this bitch.
As a former fan of Holly, I remember her swearing very little unless around friends that cursed, ie Game Grumps
However this part (around 3:52) from one of her old videos does make me laugh in hindsight due to how fake it all is now.
sorry 5:52, had a brain fart
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Did we all see this comment from Jirard on the treesicle video btw?
that's interesting. Also the treesicle video was the most respectful and concise video I saw on the matter that didn't capitalize on the drama and use huge figureheads to promote their own channels (coughkeemstarcoughsmalldramachannelscough)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that NB people didn't know about the minors deal with jared, but probably heard about Heidi since Jared is married to her. They probably didn't hear about Holly, just Heidi "being a bitch" to Jared for "no reason". They got a skewed turn of events and nothing on the nudes
considering the emails, I'll bet that was handled totally privately between the manager and jared, if it even happened at all, and kept away from the others to avoid inside bickering and fighting. as it stands after this, satchel left, so it's not in their best interests to cause chaos internally before any public statements in the first place
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Holly's on a roll today ladies
Funny how Holly's just now having all of these 'feelings' about her sexuality and acting like a high schooler in terms of maturity level.
Her childhood must have really messed her up if she just now acting like this at the age of 33.
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Imagine cheating on this cute funny nerd boy with fucking Jared
Holly: 'gets a husband with a cute accent, handsome face, like all the same things you like, even supports your business and hobbies'
Holly: lol nah Imma get me that ProJared penis
This whole affair is bizarre as fuck. From polyamory to pedophilia, it's really the saddest cluster fuck.
It's like how Prince Charles left Diana for an old woman. Both Jared and Holly left more attractive partners, but maybe they were trying to date with their within their leagues again.
I suppose Holly is a distraction from the pedophilia allegations, but man did she really FUCK up her response. The sheer inability to understand her being involved with someone else's husband is going to be anxiety inducing hell is hilarious. She wants to act like a victim
while posting the wife's upset texts and acting like she's being attacked? Holly really planned this out with several tactics. Blaming Heidi, portraying Jared as a victim
, claiming mental health issues and using an ill defined poly relationship as an excuse to convince a woman's husband to leave her. In all of this, it's pretty telling that Holly claims she was allowed her relationship with Jared when also talking about how she got her friend out of an abusive
relationship. She both tries to say Heidi was supposed to be okay with her trying to steal her husband?
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lmao these niggas
This makes me wonder just how common this whole “poly trinity” is with youtubers, since it seems to be a growing trend esp in conjunction with gaslighting, violating poly boundaries (treating it as a “free for all” a la onision “I’m going to fuck her even if you don’t want me to”), and past histories of cheating.
We got onision, cyr, dasha, game grumps crew with projared, holly, Heidi, and maybe even ross? I’d bet money that more of the GG crew does similar “relationships” along with a slew of other youtubers. Wonder who else is hiding a trinity.
I wonder the same thing. Affairs are pretty common as much as I don't want them to be. Personal experience the more affluent my dad got the more obnoxious he got with affairs, my mum apparently knew of a mistress but he got caught fucking a neighbor at a party and the whole thing went to shit ending in divorce. Is polyamory how 'public figures' have easier affairs since their jobs reputation matters more so.
Even Jared's mistress wasn't enough he needed to solicit nudes and have sex with fans in hotel rooms. Away on business. The whole thing makes me fucking sick
Definitely how I think it went. Jared marries Heidi, at first it seems perfect. But Jared keeps hinting that he wants to fuck other women, Heidi doesn't satisfy him, she's not enough, etc. Heidi is desperate to make him happy and fulfil his needs, so she gives in little by little. Sharing lewds? If it makes you happy, if it makes you feel better about yourself. Openly hitting on other people, telling her how much he wants to fuck other women? Well, men are like that, he needs to express his sexuality. Opening the marriage? I'm not fulfilling his needs, if we don't he'll leave for sure and find a better woman.
So they agree, they can see other people. Heidi decides to have a thing with a friend she made, a fellow cosplayer who is kind and understanding, cute, and also non-threatening. They vaguely sext, and Heidi shares everything with Jared to show him how happy she is that they're poly, and doesn't he find that hot? Meanwhile, Jared fucks random fans, is gone for weeks at a time and barely tells her a thing about who he's railing. If she asks, he ignores her. When she feels anxious and uncomfortable about things, he leaves her on read. If she complains about something, how dare she treat him like this? Didn't she agree to this deal? Is she trying to control him while she gets hers? How can she not trust him after all he's done for her?
But that's not all, fans are easy to get. He has his eye on something more interesting. Holly is his close friend, and she's always had a thing for him. Sure, she's married, but so is he. He makes a point to compare Heidi to her. Holly supports me, Holly is there for me, Holly treats me better. And have you seen her body? Sure, Heidi, you're hot, but you're not enough. Are we in an open relationship or not? Holly, Holly, Holly.
So she caves. If she makes him happy, maybe we can save this marriage. If Ross is okay with it, go ahead and fuck her. And oh, of course he's okay, I swear he said so! But as it turns out, it's not just that. But as it turns out, that's not what they have in mind. Now when he's gone, he's gone with her, and she doesn't hear a word from him in days. When he's home, he talks about Holly more than about Heidi. He hardly wants to touch her, and if she says anything, well, doesn't she have a boyfriend too? Doesn't he get to do it if she does? She's just paranoid.
So she snaps. This is not working, things have never been worse, and if she wants to save the marriage the poly stuff can't continue. She gets pissed, tells Jared she doesn't want it to happen anymore. In no uncertain terms, she tells him the lewds and the Holly fucking has to end. She blows up at Holly, who is the centerpiece of their problems, and tells her to stop fucking her husband. She breaks up with her own boyfriend, and gets to work on fixing the marriage. She thinks now he'll stop it all and work with her. We're going to couple's therapy now, we can fix this and go back to how nice it was when we were just married.
But he doesn't give up like that. Heidi said it had to end, but he's not that kind of guy. He just has to do it when she's not looking. How hard can that be, now Holly lives in the same town, and they're gone to one con or another every month. Heidi won't look into his phone, he's careful, and doesn't she trust him? Wanting to control his communications is a big sign or abuse, and she doesn't want to abuse him, does she? No, you can't hang out with my friends, I know you'll just try to pit them against me.
And then, Heidi finds out. He was sloppy and forgot to wipe his old phone. When hers breaks and she borrows it until she can get a new one, she finds the texts, and the pictures, and a ton of evidence that he kept doing everything she was convinced he had stopped. She's devastated, she goes to her friends for supports, but she doesn't want to make a stink. She loves him so much, she still thinks she has a chance.
She confronts him, and he turns it all on her, how awful she is to him and how horrible he feels all the time because of her. He needs to do those things, otherwise he'll hurt himself. Holly supports him because Heidi is such a terrible, abusive
person. But maybe he'll break up with Holly for Heidi. Or maybe he won't.
There's a back and forth. Sometimes Heidi wants out, but how can she abandon him? Doesn't she know how sad and broken he is, how can she threaten to leave him alone? Sometimes Jared threatens to leave, but Heidi has no income, and nowhere to go, and she still loves him. It takes a while, but they agree. Heidi gets a car, finds an apartment, and they'll file for divorce.
And like that, Heidi is out. She's not completely out, there's still the legal stuff, but she has her space, she isn't under his roof or his thumb anymore, and her friends are there for her. She can think clearly, and she is pissed. Every horrible thing he's done to her bubbles to the surface and she realizes how bad it was. She's at her boiling point.
And then, the straw that breaks the camel's back. He blocks her on Twitter, and makes his one-sided statement when they had agreed to collaborate on a joint statement. It was the push she needed to go nuclear, and go nuclear she does.
The rest is history.
Wow, better than any reality tv, that's for sure.
But seriously, this does seem to me the most likely imo.
Ngl, my first reaction when I caught up on everything going down was "I can't believe she didn't Gone Girl his ass"
Turns out he Gone Girl-d himself by being a pedo
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this is the tumblr of Mari, one of the two from Geek Remix. Seems like Jared was also trying to get nudes from her.
Mari is very outspoken usually but she hasn't talked about this situation too much (compared to others on twitter who shove their nose in drama), but this is interesting information
She is definitely legal, and very outspoken/open about sexuality and generally not an uptight person, she is also plus size
(note I don't hate Mari I'm actually a big fan of Geek Remix but it seems like he was also going to other Youtubers too, not just random fans)
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Yep, other YouTubers like PushingUpRoses and Pamela Horton also talked about being sexually haras