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No. 208345
Since /cgl/ has been invaded by scrotes and trannies, let's discuss general things about the fashion here, from new releases to your dream dress. Share makeup looks and diy's, or your favorite coords. Talk about the comm you are in and your lolita friendships. Ex lolitas and newbies are welcomed too. Etc.
For drama, check out the tread on /w/:
>>>/w/143376 No. 208358
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Thanks for the thread anon!
I’m very excited for AP to start up the Nakayoshi Bunny MTOs whenever it happens. I’m really hoping the AP prophet was right and we’re getting all the color way choices.
Also hoping AP USA sends out Sugary Carnival soon, I’ve been so excited since I ordered it back in January.
No. 208359
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I haven't dressed up in ages and my closet is still full of stuff, mostly from before I had distinguished my current tastes. I have major nostalgia for some of the old bodyline, as well as old school and punk lolita. Some taobao brands seem to hit the mark with it, and I'm not too spergy about the exact skirt length as long as the overall silhouette works out well.
No. 209597
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I've never worn a lolita dress in my life but I love gothic lolita so much. I don't want to buy dresses right now because I'm overweight, but I'd really like to own one someday. I'm afraid to because it can be so expensive though. also the community looks kind of terrible.
No. 209610
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I kinda been into lolita since I was 14 (I'm 28 now) but the thing is that I only wore (handmade) lolita when I was a teen and never again, but still followed it pretty closely by going to CGL, BTB, being up to date with the current trends, doing art of it, dressing my dolls in lolita, etc etc. It's so weird (but not in a bad way) how much has changed since my teen years. I don't call myself lolita since I don't use it, but since it's more accessible to me nowadays as a latamfag, I might actually try to dress in lolita again when I get a new job. I just need to lose my lockdown lard as well lol
I also bought some cute fabrics a few years back when I was planning on doing handmade lolita for me again, but I don't even remember why I didn't follow through with it. I still have the fabrics, but I bought it for me when I was way thinner, so once again, I need to become thinner again to start sewing. I also dream of doing something like this
>>208359 and sew cute clothes for me and my doll to match. Especially printless classic lolita! Printless is so underrated. Mary Magdalene is one of my favorite brands.
>>209597If you fear the community, be a lonelita, anon. Using the clothes for yourself can be so rewarding, even if it's just for a quiet self care day at home. Lolita is more affordable than ever nowadays due to chinese brands (you gotta search for the right ones though, or at least manage your expectations for fabric and prints). Also as aforementioned, you can always learn to sew! A cute, ruffled square skirt is so so easy to sew, and paired with a nice blouse (that you can splurge a bit more since it'll be a staple in your wardrobe and you'll complement it with cheaper skirts/jsks) can go a long way.
Like, buy 2 nice blouses, one black and one white, same for socks and shoes, nice thrifted accessories and look for the dresses or skirts on taobao, second hand or make them. It can be a nice hobby learning how to sew!
No. 209629
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I've never worn lolita myself but I've admired the fashion from afar for like a decade now. Now that I actually have money I want to get into ouji, I love the shorts, hats, and vests. It's such a dreamy fairytale prince look. I have a fairly androgynous body so I think I can pull it off without looking too much like a sad fakeboi. It does seem like the community is overrun with them nowadays.
No. 209637
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I really love lolita, been wearing it for almost a year now and no other fashion I've worn has ever made me happier. Never felt the need to join a comm or anything because they really do seem shit. My closet is like 90% Baby and Meta mature sweet but I need to get my hands on more old school
No. 209640
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What are you guys' favorite lolita style?
Mine is classic, especially Rococco inspired classic rather than Victorian. I love Victorian too, but the baroque exuberance is so nice to my eyes. Bonus points if it's in ivory or reds. You can hear hapsichords playing when you look at some of these coords lol
I loved a while back (I wanna say 2015 but I'm not sure) when OTT classic was in. It was a bit too much of course, but the coords were pretty fun and creative.
I guess my least favorite is OTT sweet, especially those from like 2011-2012, but I don't hate it nor find it embarrassing or anything, just wasn't my thing at all.
No. 210534
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I swear to God there was a Dear Celine reseller shop on AliExpress, but I can't find it at all. Maybe it has been deleted. I love their prints, but the resellers outside Ali even on ali mark it up too much.
Any cheap taobao shopping services recommendations? It's been such a long time since I used one, I don't even remember its name now.
No. 217696
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This is super autistic, but I'd really love to see a coord inspired by the dress Elizabeth I wore in the "Armada Portrait." It's black and pale pink with pearl trim and bows as accents. Picrel is a historian wearing a replica (since the colors are harder to see in the painting because of its age.) If someone made the dress shorter and changed the sleeves, it could be a really nice gothic Lolita dress.
I like the idea of history-inspired lolita dresses in general. I think lolita and Rococo in particular have a lot in common aesthetically. The maximalism, the pastel colors, and intricate designs are all qualities they share.
No. 217733
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I very much more prefer Chinese brands compared to Japanese brands. Im tired of seeing the same prints and shapes. I know Japanese people are faggots and hate anything that’s not traditional but I really like how China has brought back older styles. Also much cheaper. Thanks cheap labor.
No. 217761
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>>217733I agree anon, although that pink dress isn't really up my alley.
I think Chinese lolita brands get a bad rep because China, being an industrial superpower, is just producing SO MUCH stuff that lots of it is bound to be garbage. People consequently overlook the small handful of great Chinese indie brands and lolita influencers. I find that a lot of Chinese lolitas are more likely to try weird things out that Western lolitas wouldn't while still holding themselves to a high standard of effort/investment in creating a great coord.
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>>217757I do, I cycle around 3-4 coords at any moment since I focus more on cosplay than Lolita. They're both expensive hobbies.. If you don't mind the upcharge DevilInspired is a taobao reseller. Shipping is the worst but whaat isn'[t at the time.
Brands I Like
ElPress (My OG post was Elpress)
Long Ears Sharp Ears
Classical Puppets
YUPBRO
>>217761Yes I agree anon! I find the way they are making longer silhouettes now. I've even seen some without wearing pettis,
Also some Chinese lolita is NOT cheap or bad quality. Pic rel is a classical puppets wedding release. Its sold for around ~2k in western market.
No. 220402
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I'm annoyed that old school has become a trend
I became interested in lolita when I was 11-13 because a goth fashion magazine I read would sometimes include it but only bought my first few pieces last year
I hope I don't offend any other lolitas but I can't get over how hideous I find most new releases especially ott sweet
either that or there's just something 'off' or boring about them, I only became interested in the fashion through old school and tbh I was quite shocked when I did more research and saw how it all changed and now old school is highly sought after and expensive so I can't actually choose things that I like most of the time
I started altering normie and vintage clothes to make up for it since I'm not active in my comm so who cares as long as I like it
No. 226227
>>208358I was so disappointed with this rerelease. Them swapping out the velvet fabric ruined the sweet fuzzy charm of this dress.
>>220402>there's just something 'off' or boring about themMost of the time is the fabric chance from cotton or even velvet to fucking polyester (plastic). Also there is less cute little details.
Not buying new AP anymore tbh.
>now old school is highly sought after and expensiveDw, the trend will die out some day, just be patient. Also keep in mind that you can still find oldschool for dirt cheap if it doesn't fit the cliché vision of oldschool zoomers have. Just like how they stick to a very narrow version of what "y2k" fashion was, they do the same with oldschool. They chase after the black and white aesthetic, and completely left out printed dresses of this era. I'm thinking about these strawberry AP prints for instance.
>>209597>the community looks kind of terribleJust avoir online comms and /cgl/, local comms tend to be fine in my experience. I never got into drama in the 2 different comms I've been in.
You can also be a lonelita.
No. 226314
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>>220402I don't think old school is that expensive outside of the stereotypical BTSSB blackxwhite stuff, like
>>226227 said. I wish it was though, because I have a couple of early 2000s pieces I've been meaning to sell.
>>226241There have been a couple of attempts at duplicating closetchild in the US, but it hasn't worked because we don't have the density of lolitas required. Closetchild's model relies on people being willing to take a loss on selling their clothes in exchange for convenience.But in the west, you'd have to ship your clothes to the reseller anyways, so you might as well list things yourself. FWIW though, you can make offers on lacemarket. When I was starting my wardrobe I'd look for people selling multiple items and ask if they'd do a 20%-30% discount if I bought several things at once. It almost always worked as long as they weren't really hyped up pieces.
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>>209640I love rococo style, Mary Magdalene's Fleur Antoinette is one of my dream dresses.
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>>226556though I would probably get it in a lighter colorway, I think all of them look pretty cute
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>>226556>>226557AYRT and same! I love it so much. MM in general is so underrated.
I think this is my favorite colorway, although I agree with you that they are all lovely.
No. 226567
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I love classical dresses in burgundy and navy, but I like sweet dresses in darker colors too. I also really like old school, but its hard for me to find a dress I like.
No. 226824
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>>226811For patterns, start here:
https://misscarolbelle.wordpress.com/list-of-patterns/I highly recommend Otome no Sewing.
Best fabrics: High quality cotton, velvet; fabrics that are not shiny or that don't look too costumey. For custom printed fabric, it depends from country to country.
Cute lace: Check your country's fabric and craft stores. There are some stuff on AliExpress if you know how to search well. Buy cotton lace, avoid polyester scratchy lace at all costs, it just look really cheap on the end result.
There's a lot of lolita tutorials on youtube, especially for skirts since they are the easiest. Begin by doing a rectangle skirt with ruffles and go up from that!
No. 226946
>>226824thanks
nonnie that link with all the patterns is super helpful
maybe I'll get some cheap fabric and experiment with the simpler ones until I understand how to alter the sizing and stuff
yeah I was told avoid polyester anything, and I've heard taobao lace is good but I have no idea how to navigate taobao lol
No. 227719
>>227498RIP to your lolita, nonna. I had a cat who couldn't resist puffballs on my jfashion.
Have you tried any of the following? Spray bottle with water everytime the cat attacks the clothes, spraying cat repellant on your clothes (wouldn't risk my burando with this), cat nailcaps.
No. 265801
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How do you wear your hair nonnies?
Personally I don't like wigs and haven't learned how to do ringlets yet so usually I just wear my hair down but I think it ruins a lot of coords, especially when I'm just casually in public.
Unpopular opinion I guess but I don't like coords with pigtails, 99% of the time it just looks ageplayish and retarded, unless it's styled very well and is clearly meant to be elegant. I'm considering getting a bunch of rose hair clips and wearing them for everyday coords, kind of 90s/00s inspired I guess.
No. 265859
>>226946if your goal is to create your own designs, rather than adjusting already made patterns, learn basic patternmaking techniques such as creating slopers off of your measurements and developing patterns for your designs with dart manipulation and slash and spread
you can start with paper and then use cheap fabric like muslin to test your patterns
No. 273206
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I need to sperg about this, sorry. It annoys me so much when newfags and sweetfags (no offence to sweetfags) call any coord in black and white gothic. Picrel somebody posted this on tumblr and captioned it with "gothic" kek. Obviously, not a thing about this is gothic, it's just sweet with ott elements but in black and white, but still very much sweet. Anyway, not attacking this girl, her photo probably got reposted anyway.
No. 273629
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I know /cgl/ has been a cesspool for a while but it's particularly bad right now, I hope this thread gets some use.
Anyways I love the print of this release but not particularly a fan of the bodice buckle details… Would be an instabuy in the emerald colorway for me if it came in a skirt cut (and I might just buy it anyways kek)
No. 274643
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I'm so stupid.
I bought an old rare dress for much more than I have ever spent on lolita before (I'm a poorfag) and now that it's here… I can't zip it. My ribs are too wide, it's literally just my ribs because I'm thin and my boobs are small. I've worn old Baby and IW dresses before so I didn't think the difference would be so huge with VM. I really wanted it and I won't be able to resell it for the same price. I guess I'll have it altered at the back, behind corset lacing so it's hidden.
This is lowkey making me feel like a whale though
No. 274727
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>>274711Not at all, it's made of twill. There's a velveteen version that came out a year prior (2001) and apparently it has shirring while this one does not. It's just a bit but it's too small on my ribs but quite lose on my waist. I guess it's because of my height (this one is supposed to have a dropped waist)
No. 274997
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>>274965A sister comm of mine had actual weeb lolicons attending their meets. Like he openly posted about it on social media, didn't even wear a coord and said he wasn't going to. I have no fucking idea WHY he was allowed and I'm glad it wasn't my comm because I would have gone berserk. Although my comm is stll filled with troons and turbo clolita weebs shitting on every coord that isn't taobao shit kek
This is making me want to become a lonelita, I pretty much only stay for sales and even then it's never stuff I'm interested in, since all they ever sell is Magic Tea Party shit and the rare burando is always ott sweet which I don't wear.
I hate their obsession with social media too, it's like every other lolita is severely attention starved and only cares about impressing other lolitas, I hate it
No. 275074
>>274997This. I recommend reaching out to people via friend finder threads and join your biggest local comm and check their member list for well-dressed, normal people. I'm done with non-vetted groups. Fetishists and troons are the worst but if I have the choice I also don't want to associate with clolitas. I hope you find friends
nonny.
No. 275389
>>274965We need to start applying for mod positions in our local comms. if we’re the first to see the requests, then we’re safe.
Current mods have allowed non-lolita wearers and worse to come through.
No. 275399
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>>275387>>275263>>274966>>274997>>274969>>274965>>275074>>275296i feel like we even have a potential discord server right here? would anyone be interested? I usually don’t use discord, so if anyone prefers a different platform i’m down
plz, we need a secret sisterhood
No. 275468
>>275399I'm down if you are. Don't if we need a server per se, we can start with a group chat and see how much interest there is first. Email me if interested to exchange tags.
>>275387Also down for a secret accessory! What could it be that no one else would use accidently though?
>>275389I like this idea, nice slow burn.
No. 276089
>>275490at some point you have to take the risk
nonnie.
No. 277105
>>276970learn to sage
>>277038the colors aren't too gr8 ngl. also i think if any kind of symbol were to be used, then it should be some ubiquitous
No. 277181
Hey, sorry to crosspost but the lolita thread on /cgl/ seems too far gone, so I'm going to post some info here:
>ASL
20, M, California
>Do you wear Lolita, EGA or both?
I don't wear anything currently because I am just getting into it (reccomendations would be nice), but I enjoy both Lolita and EGA.
>Fav substyles
Steampunk, classic, and maybe gothic.
>Other hobbies, interests, fashion styles?
Hobbies include strength training & competitions, working on cars/driving, computering, baking, knitting, and internet shit.
>How long have you been dressing in the fashion
Haven't started, but looking for specific resources.
>Not looking for?
Annoying people. People using this as a dating platform. People who don't know how to keep personal stuff to themselves.
>contact info
cosmail@nigge.rs (encryption available)
>anything else we should know
I have a HUGE disdain for patterns, which I call "wallpaper dresses". I'm looking for anything that coordinates around brown, gold, and dark green. I'm also looking for pieces that center around mens' styling, since I don't want to be the dude in a dress. If you speak like a child, I will tend to not like you(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 277203
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>>277201Ignore and report, nona
No. 277213
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>>277205>his e-mail addressIdk about genuine but yeah kek picrel for cleansing
No. 279799
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I love lolita so much it's unreal
Praying AP does more cotton MTOs because I am tired of the ugly poly stuff
No. 279832
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I admit I am kind of a noob when it comes to Lolita style and I have never really liked the cutesy pastel giant baby style Sweet Lolita (even though I admit many of the dresses and items individually are very very cute, it kind of gives me a migraine to see all that thrown together)
I think the more elegant classical Lolita where they wear heels and try to look more mature and ladylike is absolutely gorgeous. I think this style also suits gaijin Lolitas way more than the typical Japanese big baby style with too many frills and layers. It’s much more flattering and doesn’t look so frumpy either.
Some of the styling in these older J&J shoots where they mostly use European models is gorgeous and suits them so well. They look like Victorian dolls.
No. 280164
Coming over from /w/ - I'm sick of how shitty /cgl/ has become the past few years, but love the bbs anonymous style of posting. Hopefully we can have a comfy group to just talk about lolita.
>>279799Even the cotton MTOs have been pretty hit or miss. Nakayoshi Bunny is pretty off. I was pretty disappointed after I finally got it after almost a year of waiting…
No. 280651
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>>279832stole this from cgl, but i love classic lolita in dusty tones.
No. 281215
Oh thank goodness, people are using this thread again. Going on CGL just raises my blood pressure, and that's only taking into account having to constantly hide/scroll past the bottom of the barrel shit cosplay threads.
>>280965I am another Baby lover encouraging you to appreciate Baby more lolol. Baby's flavor of sweet definitely still adheres more to a sort of fairy-tale feeling most of the time, especially their older stuff, a lot of their artwork I love because the style reminds me of watercolor paintings.
No. 281263
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>>281261just looking at fril and i see a lot of things i like. especially pic related. it looks like an older print but i'm really fond of the border style that's more of an all over print. (don't know if there's a name for this kind of horizontally repeating print with no border) but looking through these are really reigniting my passion! and they're less than 20000 yen! feels like a dream!
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>>283507I love the items with little knit strawberries on them so I decided to crochet some strawberries and I attached them to wristcuffs, socks, and an old cardigan. It wasn't too difficult even as a novice in crochet!
No. 283665
>>283531I have a link to a bunch of ons scans but they're in japanese and I'm not good at working with patterns without instructions
>>283596cute, these would look good with lots of sweet coords
No. 283774
>>283665Can you drop your link
nonnie? I've never been able to find working links to scans
No. 283838
>>283805ah
nonnie, this vk link makes me miss lurking around jsf lolita community in russia. i always used all of the amazing photoshoots as a reference for my artworks, and despite all of the drama it was fun to read people's blogs. it sucks how over the past years they started allowing trannies, seeing them on group pictures is disgusting, and the way they cling onto women to a point it makes them uncomfortable is something else…
No. 285541
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I'm in the process of restyling my room and I would like to dedicate more space to my dresses. Right now I just have a plastic tub and a metal clothing rack. How do you all store your dresses/shoes/accesories? Does your storage match your style/s?
I'm in need of some idea
No. 285652
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>>285541tbh I just store it with my normie stuff since I only have 20 dresses anyway and I don't own much normies clothes. I've seen that most lolitas seem to have wardrobes or racks exclusively for their lolita items. It really depends on how much space you have and what kind of aesthetic you are going for.
No. 285653
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>>285652Same fag, but I mainly wear gothic and my bedroom does not fit the aesthetic at all. My lolita stuff is largely hidden away and I keep all my accessories in two shoe boxes. One day when I move out I want to be able to display my bags because they look pretty nice.
No. 285966
>>208345bought AP's happy garden op recently and it came stained (the seller didn't told me beforehand). Any stain removal tips? I have used like three methods already and none have worked
Istg some of these bitches be having food fights in these dresses, I'm pissed
No. 286009
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>>285966have you tried borax laundry soap like picrel?
No. 286044
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Where can I find old 2ch lolita thread translations? I read some ages ago and can't find them again
No. 288536
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Nonas, how do you dress when you're not in lolita? Are any of you lifestylers? I wear gothic and old school and my regular clothes were always pretty similar in style, I used to dress like a tradgoth when I was a teen and really into darkwave. I went through some realizations and reflected on a lot of things and now more often than not dress in baggy, masculine clothes and tbh I really like the contrast and how surprised people are when they see me wearing lolita/fred durst looking shit for the first time
No. 298170
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anons I need your opinions on whether this dress is salvageable or not - I really like the frog print and the green color but something about it to me looks a bit ita, do you think if I removed the weird chiffon frill on the bottom and middle it'll look decent? not my pic btw sorry it looks a bit wonky
there's also a pinafore skirt cut with the same print that doesn't have the chiffon so maybe I should get that instead? I just really want something with this frog print on it kek
No. 300644
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Is there any gothic lolitas here just disappointed by the blouses available lately? I won't sat lately, this issue has been going on for years. I really like the old moitie blouses but their current blouses are so boring. It's just the same chiffon over and over again. It seems like sheglit are the only brand who make good blouses since innocent worlds blouses are always sold out and i find atelier pierrots blouses to be too bulky looking. Don't even get me started on taobao. All the best stuff there is for sweet fags. Also thoughts on this release. I bought it but i am hesitant i made the right decision after the cross jsk that released not so long ago got bashed.
No. 303980
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I got a pixie cut recently. Do you have any inspo pictures of lolitas with short hair, nonnies?
No. 306398
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>>303980I know I'm replying late but there currently is a thread up on /cgl/ called "Short hair lolita inspiration" which might have something you can use as inspo. I would link it but I'm not sure if that's against the rules
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Any anon knows if people still wear himekaji? I wish there was more if a community out there as for Lolita. Any nonas interested in a himekaji thread perhaps?
No. 312745
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>>312700i hate jirai kei. jpsisters have the right idea calling it ryousangata. it's been nearly a decade and its reign of terror still isn't ending and only getting more and more popular. i'm sick of it.
No. 312748
>>312700I tucking hate jirai kei so much and the washed out grey-lilac x black everything ughhhh i want the og himekaji and romagyaru to come back.
I do wear my liz lisa stuff still and id call it himekaji i guess. There are really only a few girls i see wearing it these days.
No. 313498
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>handwashing my new (secondhand) jsk in cold water
>water is brownish when i lift dress out to rinse
>fear
The dress is brown, so I have no idea if it was because of the dye, or it really was that in need of a wash. either way I'm really glad I did it, and it looks fine on close inspection.
also, chiming into the jirai conversation a week late, I hate it mostly because of the really weird culture that has grown around it, and the murky muted colors that have become inescapable nowadays aren't my taste. I also miss himekaji, though I'm kind of accepting that it's dead in its original form.
No. 313562
>>313498I am glad your dress came out fine! Washing dresses always gives me a heart attack too.
I am not a fan of jirai kei either, tbh, lolita is the only j-fashion that i actually like.
No. 313643
>>313498I've had water turn disgusting colours after washing old dresses so it's probably just that, although a friend told me the brown parts of her OG Honey Cake ran. I reckon your IW was just filthy because that looks more like a commercial fabric than a custom print.
I've got much more fearless about laundry over the years. I used to handwash everything but now I stick Sugar Bouquet (a known bleeder) in the machine with a fuckton of colour catchers and it came out fine.
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Lately I've really fallen in love with "old school" sweet, but lately I don't know if I've seen many old school styled lolitas that aren't into more gothic styles/darker color schemes. I always thought contemporary sweet lolita doesn't really suit me, but I don't know what took me so long to realize that I really like the lower-key cuteness of older sweet brand pieces, especially pre-2010s Baby and AP. I took the plunge and bought this Sweet Fruit a la Mode skirt in sax, I'm really looking forward to coording it. low key sweetchans pls tell me about your low key sweet wardobes
No. 313958
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>>313944This is very cute! I agree with your sentiment too. I find myself gravitating towards less extravagant pieces too, granted that i have very minimalistic sensibilities when it comes to fashions in general, although i do not wear sweet bar my one sweet dress that is quite a lot and i do see myself selling it one day. Pieces like what you have are simple, but you can get tons more wear out of it unlike something like sugary carnival. I feel like when i spend time in spaces like ruffle chat, tons of the newbs do not treat lolita fashion likes clothes and want to be 1000% all the time to be the most edgiest and I find it tacky and tasteless.
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>>313944Look for BTSSB or some of the 2016-2018 AP sweet for adventurous days. This may out me a bit but I modified an AP OP with a cheap JSK and made this OP fall at my natural waist, and it's pretty understated by my standards. If you like jacquard Whip Jacquard is way nicer in person than in stock photos.
Meta's also made some very nice florals over the years and their quality on cotton pieces has remained top notch.
No. 314030
>>313949AYRT, I'm also very into classic, but mostly Innocent World's flavor of sweet-classic. It took me a while to realize I'm practically a sweet lolita with extra steps lol.
>>313958I have some lolita friends who somehow manage to wear their OTT sweet coords just on a regular day, but I've never even been able to imagine pulling that off lol, it takes some guts. I'm definitely a lot more minimal with my coording. I agree that some newbies seem to assume that every day has to be all-out coords all the time, which doesn't actually seem to be the case for anyone.
No. 314259
>>314022It was so much more fun than it is now. Lolita has always been expensive, but back then it was a challenge to even buy the clothes. Replicas were a real problem, so much so that AP (pretty sure it was them) had to ask EGL to stop posting them. There were endless cotton vs polyester debates, discussions of whether Bodyline was worth it since you could get multiple Bodyline pieces for the price of one brand item but Bodyline quality was infamously shit. Milanoo was a massive problem, it was basically Aliexpress but worse.
https://ohnomilanoo.tumblr.com/ documented some of their atrocities if you want to go through it, they also sold cosplays and there was a lot of drama over lolita being seen as a cosplay instead of a fashion, plus a bunch of newbies bought from them and posted their awful coords everywhere. There were lolita guides that were created to help combat this. The Gothic Lolita Bible had patterns for clothes, headwear, and other accessories, as well as some recipes and other random things, it was great. There were many attempts at handmade lolita which varied greatly in quality, but making your own accessories and clothes was popular, there were tutorials for everything from making straw boaters to sewing a bow to repairing shoes. Daily Lolita was a goldmine, people posted themselves wearing a crumpled JSK with no blouse or petticoat or socks, holding their skirt up by the hem, convinced their Milanoo was better than any Japanese brand. The nitpicking was insane. I think the EGL and Daily Lolita livejournals are still up, if you want to go through them. Behind the Bows was so fun but IIRC it kept getting nuked. CGL was better then, less tranny pandering and more bitchy nitpicking.
No. 314803
>>314259I really miss the emphasis on DIY. Of course people still do it, but it’s a much smaller percentage of the overall community. Even if much of it was god awful, it somehow felt very… cozy? wholesome? for all these weird girls to be teaching themselves a new skill just to try and emulate a very niche subculture from the other side of the world, squinting at grainy GLB scans all the while. Making your own sock toppers was like a rite of passage. Actual lolita pieces were so scarce that people who couldn’t sew were desperate enough to commission the likes of talia_speaks for badly made headdresses. Remember that drama? I hardly remember what it was about, just that it was scandalous at the time.
There are more resources available now than ever before but it feels like people keep making the same mistakes. Everyone I know who actually knew what they were doing either stopped posting or moved away from lolita.
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>>313498ngl I take a gross satisfaction out of washing filthy secondhand. Getting a jsk that's possibly gone over a decade without cleaning and finally getting the grime off feels nice
>>313944kind of a late reply but this I love this era of Baby too! I love how sweet from that era was very simple yet cute and it's one of the easiest styles to build a wardrobe in imo. I like that there's less focus on fullsets of matching jsk, kc and otks like with modern AP and you can get away with a white blouse or solid colored socks easier. Picrel is probably my most worn JSK, it's so versatile and easy to dress up or down with all the detachable pieces. And the print is subtle enough that I wear it blouseless as a normie sundress
No. 315304
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I'm in the market for new blouses, or dickys even. any recommendations for some, especially if purchased with the last year and recommend (cuz quality can change a lot)? colors do not necessarily matter, i can dye if i need to, but if they come in sax, lavender, red, white, mauve, or taupe colors that's a perk. short and long sleeves. don't need to be brand.
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>>313944>>313958Not a sweetfag myself but I share your sentiment. I've always really liked this kind of sweet as opposed to ott AP coords. And I feel the same way about classic. I love the minimalist look that old school Victorian Maiden used to do. There's something slightly high fashion about it to me. I really like weird pieces that don't always fit a petticoat, they add variety and feel like an actual wardrobe to me. Obviously, not everyone is into that and it's fine
less competition on the second hand market kek but I've already had some newbie taobao itas try to give me concrit and tell me that I'm not even wearing lolita.
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>be dark classic appreciator>put together new coord with favorite main piece>carefully balance all of the textures, matching lace across pieces, etc etc>Take photo>This is going to be so elegant gothic lolita vampire aristocrat romance>it's just black blob>Mfw>>315304This is so vague nona. Baby IW and Sheglit make the best quality blouses imo though.
No. 319959
>>279834>>279833I’m so glad in my home country that our national dress is similar to this in terms of silhouette and structure and it’s not unusual to see women wearing poofy dresses like this, even in the more modern parts of the city.
When I visited other countries and wore Lolita everybody stared at me like I was from Mars because they were all dressed in basic t shirts and jeans or shorts, I don’t think I even saw any women wearing dresses the whole time.
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No. 321593
>>321542I got into jfashion in the late 2000s and I've been friends with lolitas a long time but never got into the style myself. In 2018 I decided to finally get into the style myself and I guess it was easier for me since I was familiar with the style already and I kinda knew what the goals for my wardrobe were going in.
I decided on classic since I can wear it basically everywhere I go. I only have about 15 main pieces so far and that's fine for me because I don't wear anything outside of scrubs more than a couple times a week so I feel like I can't justify having too many main pieces since I won't wear them very often. I just focus more on having different blouses and accessories so I can change up my look and maximize how often I wear my main pieces.
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guys, someone explain this to me. what the fuck is up with the new trend of uber-short skirts being labelled as 'lolita'? Is this just ero experiencing a resurgence or…?
it's already so hard to convince people 'it's not ageplay or a fetish' this is just going to make that indescribably worse.
No. 327704
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Anyone else struggled with getting back to wearing lolita after taking a break?
I took a break from being a daily lolita at the end of last year and decided to wear normie clothes during the week for the first time in years and now I'm having a lolita crisis. I still love the fashion but I avoid wearing it because it feels like a larp to me now idk. I also really hate how everyone is so obsessed with 'aesthetics' and looking perfect at all times that it makes me want to abandon fashion altogether and dress in plain baggy clothes and not care about appearances. I feel like a materialist because of this and I hate it. I also started associating extravagant clothes with attention seeking because of social media and it's difficult to feel differently even when it comes to lolita because we of the many grifters and cows we get. I'm really torn rn.
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>>327659taobao lolita is so ugly jesus
>>327704I really like physical drop and innocent world's more casual looks they're releasing now as they feel a lot more doable as a daily style. I still have my beloved oldschool wardrobe for days when I'm in a good mood and want to dress up, but increasingly I'm also wearing my lolita cardigans with cute normie dresses and looser physical drop-style coords. It keeps the cuteness of lolita but I don't constantly have strangers gawking and taking pictures kek. Social media is not good for a slow fashion like lolita and I hate the competitive over consumption and clout chasing. When I found myself not wearing lolita as often unless I had the perfect coord and location for max IG potential, I deleted it.
No. 328813
>>328799I was specifically asking because it gets mentioned and discussed more often in unrelated or barely related /ot/ threads than in this thread itself.
>>328803Easy to ignore and it's probably just one mad retard anyway.
No. 328819
>>328792I'd be fine with that
>>328799there's literally a fashion discussion thread on /ot/ right now, where they mainly talk about high fashion brands and releases. It seems like the fashion thread on /g/ is now only for questions like "what do I wear with this skirt". Since this thread is more about discussion than helping with coords I think it could fit on /ot/ too
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>>328803Where did they get the term from then? It's already embarrassing for autistic women to dress like circus freaks, being okay of the pedo name of this style or is making it even worse.
(bait) No. 328953
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Man I just really love lolita. My first lolita brand coat is coming in the mail and even though I'll probably only have like 1 day per year cold enough to wear it I can't wait
No. 329290
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love these so much
No. 329568
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I feel like prices for lolita are starting to go down a bit, but at the same time all the decently priced stuff gets snatched up fast. Maybe it's just me, but I'm hoping this continues because I'm so tired of scalpers.
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It pisses me off how some shopping services will ask sellers for stuff like tag pictures despite the fact I specifically asked to purchase immediately. I've lost some dream dresses to that in the past because while they were waiting for the seller's response someone else bought the item.
No. 331944
>>330885I don't think there were as many back in the day, but now that there's the threat of being harassed for being "transphobic" if you don't allow obvious sissy fetishist men in, it happens more often, but like
>>331074 says, it's worth it to go to your local comm and try to interact with the normal lolitas. Sometimes then you can even form friendships and just start hanging out with them instead of having to go to the comm meetups. Also, thanks to people rsvp-ing over online platforms like facebook or discord, it's usually pretty easy to see which events creeps plan on attending so you can avoid those!
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I haven't really seen people talking about new releases much itt, but I'm so psyched for the MMM x baroque rerun! It's been getting massively scalped for a while now. Is anyone else ordering it?
>>330885My local comm's token AGP goes to literally every. Single. Published. Meet. And they're almost all in public too. I think I'll stay a lonelita for a while longer.
No. 332212
>>332063yeah it really sucks weirdos like that are allowed into comms. and they're inescapable online too, feels like there's nowhere to go to get away from them sadly
>>331944that's a good point but there's a possibility the local creep goes to every comm meet like what
>>332063 has experienced. the harassment brigades are the main reason more people don't start their own comms or keep the weirdos out of existing ones it seems
No. 332347
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>>332063yes nona it's absolutely gorgeous… I've been considering getting the white x blue tablier because I love how it almost looks like porcelain. It wouldn't be very versatile with my wardrobe tbh, but still tempting
No. 333009
>>332786They may start calling you Barbie and asking "Where's Ken?" instead of calling you Lil Bo Peep and asking where the sheep are at.
I imagine it'd be more of the same, maybe slightly better since the general public will view pink as trendy.
No. 333718
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Lolita vent: I don't understand how lolitas can be so disgusting with their expensive dresses..
I recently bought a dress of my favorite print and the stains were disclosed sure, but christ how do you get so many stains on a $300 dress?? There are food stains on the sleeves, on the pits and on the waist ties. Just wtf was this girl doing? It's like she used it as a napkin. Even a coat I bought recently had stains on it that werent disclosed but it came right out in the wash. How hard is it to wash and care for your brand? fuck.
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>>333718They treat them like everyday clothes in everything except washing. Washing your lolita shit isn't that hard either, just time consuming, the horror stories of red prints really scared people off washing printed shit.
No. 334212
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Both Violet Fane and Ladysloth are being affected by the shitty economic situation. VF is closing down and LS will have at the most two releases a year. I never liked LS designs but VF had some decent ones.
No. 335011
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>>334667Some of them are clout chasers/looking for status. It's an expensive fashion and many lolitas feel like they're special because they partake in it. Some are probably addicted to shopping tbh because I see many girls buying very expensive pieces just to sell them after one picture. With others it's like what
>>334676 said. Handmade lolita is only looked down upon when it's shit quality/design which unfortunately is the case most of the time because most of lolitas are fashion illiterate and don't under stand what makes the garment good. Especially now in the taobao era. Picrel is a well made handmade JSK imo.
No. 335043
>>334667For some people, it's more of a collection hobby rather than a style. It's most prevalent among Angelic Pretty fans. During the 2010s print obsession era there were definitely a few autists who were so obsessed on collecting main pieces that they forgot you need other things to make a coordinate.
>>335011This is so cute, I love how well finished it looks.
No. 335355
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>>335043I really hate collectors in lolita. I think it’s so stupid to drop $200+ on a dress you don’t even intend on wearing out and that will just rot in the closet until the buyers remorse sets in and they try and sell it for an absurd amount. Even worse if they can’t Coord for shit. I just don’t think it’s worth it especially with novelty shit that is expensive but poor quality like a lot of AP items these days.
No. 335658
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>>335590they're good! I've worn mine for years and they've held up well, they're comfy too. Sorry if I'm telling you something obvious but it's difficult to keep the straps up like picrel unless you pin them to your socks or something and they'll usually be around your ankles while you're walking around. The soles are obviously foam and not real wood irl, but they photograph well so maybe I'm just autistic for caring about that kek. Bodyline's main pieces may be ita because of bad quality but their shoes and some accessories (I love their rectangle headdresses) are good.
No. 335668
>>335547it's nice the fabric and lace and overall construction are still good, I hope it stays that way for as long as they're making clothes. I think most of us have sworn off buying anything new from moitie and AP now due to it basically being indistinguishable from taobao quality. I don't keep up with innocent world releases but I assume the longer skirts are popular with classic lolitas? I see a lot of them posting coords with longer skirts and dresses these days
>>335590they're ok, the pleather feels like it won't hold up over time but if you're not wearing them frequently you should get a few years of use out of them. also apparently they run small, I ordered the correct size and they're super tight on me and I've seen others complaining about the same thing
No. 337622
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Anons who have a hate boner for lolita fashion are so weird.
>>314259I don't miss milanoo but it does make me nostalgic kek I do miss when there was way less gender garbage happening.
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I wish lolita discussion would be moved here instead of on /cgl/. At least the mods do their jobs here
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>>343339same nona. personally I think it would be nice to have a womens only forum that had a jfashion/lolita section and maybe cosplay section to replace /cgl/, or even a womens only forum that is focused on jfashion. it's basically pointless going to /cgl/ anymore with how bad the board has gotten in recent years. I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discord, jfashion is dying, both of those things or some other reason?
No. 343643
>>343405>I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discordyes. Many online communities are dying because they are migrating to discord
>jfashion is dyingThere are several factors to this but but i do wonder if the rise of kpop might have affected the disinterest for jfashion on an international scale. While animanga is mainstream right now no one is enthusiastic about japanese pop culture outside of that. 10 years ago animanga community would also discuss stuff like jfashion but not anymore. I feel like kstyling is filling that niche jfashion used too
>some other reason?4chan has a terrible reputation and at some point it became synonymous with neo nazis in the public conscious which might be why women are more hesitant to use /cgl/
No. 343884
>>343643the bad thing with discord is that it seems hard finding good servers, most of the lolita and jfahsion ones are filled with arrogant itas and creepy male troons/fetishists who don't really care about the fashion itself.
I definitely think kpop played a part in it but imo the rise of fast fashion and shitty tiktok/social media fashion microtrends was the major issue.
No. 349641
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I think I might be falling out of love with wearing lolita and I feel awful about it. I still find the fashion beautiful but I don't feel like going out in it anymore. I don't feel like dressing up in any way actually and lolita seems excessive to me now. I'm not sure why. I've stopped attending meets a long time ago because my comm is full of gendies and handmaidens who talk about how empowering it is to have an only fans. I can only imagine myself in a coord if I were to be completely alone.
My entire outlook on appearance has been changing for the past year so perhaps it's not specifically about lolita but fashion in general. I'm sick of the obsession with aesthetics and trying to look as 'unique' and attention grabbing as possible and definitely don't want to be associated with that. I don't really have anywhere to wear lolita to anyway. Maybe if I was rich I'd just wear it around my huge vintage mansion kek
I'm considering selling a most of my dresses but the sunk cost fallacy is getting to me (I don't own any sought after pieces so I'd probably have to sell them for cheap or something)
No. 349646
>>349643>any tips for people just starting out?The hardest part of starting out is learning how to buy cohesive pieces and make coords. Luckily you have like 20 years' worth of magazine scans, blogs, /cgl/ archives and social media you can look at for coord inspo! Save pictures of outfits that you like, look at how colors are used and how it's accessorized. Go scroll lolibrary and make a wishlist of your favorite pieces. Identify if there's any specific cuts, motifs or finishing details you seem to gravitate towards and look for them while you're shopping. Be patient, don't cheap out or buy something you don't love just so you can quickly fill your wardrobe.
>websites that account for taller girls?dress lengths vary wildly so you'll want to check the length of dresses before you buy them. For example I'm 5'7 and I don't buy anything under 94cm kek. Having measurements of your own body will help a lot. Generally Angelic Pretty jsks are the shortest, while Metamorphose and Innocent World are longer.
Since lolita is so niche, released in short runs and small batches- it's not like most other fashions where you can go to a website and buy a perfectly coordinated outfit in one purchase. The majority of lolita clothes are sold secondhand on Japanese marketplaces like Mercari. You'll need to use a shopping service (there are plenty of guides to this online) to buy clothes from them and get them shipped out of Japan. Some common websites that you can buy from without a shopping service- Lacemarket, Closet Child, Wunderwelt, Atelier Pierrot, most major brands' websites.
and if you ever sell anything used on lacemarket for the love of God wash your fucking clothes No. 349666
>>349641This is a good chance to explore different hobbies and interests. Growing up is nothing to be scared of. I took a break from lolita for about five years because I was too busy with school and then to go backpacking, and it was nice to take a break from femininity and get in touch with my natural self. Maybe you'll come back to lolita too or maybe you won't, but there's nothing wrong with exploring different aspects of your personality.
Like the other anon said, you can set your favorite pieces aside and see if you want to come back to them later. You can also transition your wardrobe to a more casual but still similar style and still incorporate some of your lolita pieces. Regardless, you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies are!
>>349643It's long dead now, but a blog I liked a lot when I was first starting out is fyeahlolita. It has some good posts on topics like wardrobe building that are important for newbies.
Some other random tips in no particular order
>start your wardrobe with Japanese brand, at least for blouses, main pieces, and outerwear. Trust me, your future self will thank you.>The exceptions are shoes, petticoats, and bags. They're almost never worth getting brand>Take body measurements and compare them to the pieces you want to buy, make sure they're a few cm bigger than you are>Save pictures that are inspirational to you and figure out exactly what you like and what makes the coordinates work (color balance, silhouette, fabrics, motifs)>think/shop in terms of whole outfits not just the dress>Get a good petticoat at the same time you get you first main piece. Make sure they are the same shape>Hair, makeup and being clean and tidy more generally are very important elements of any fashion. Don't skip grooming and look up some tutorials if you need to. No. 349677
>>349641About a year ago I took the plunge and sold most of my wardrobe. Mostly my filler and daily wear pieces, and I kept my longer more mature pieces. I had a lot of regrets for a while, I've loved Lolita for an entire decade and wore it daily for a few years out of that so it felt like tearing out a part of myself but now I have no regrets. I dwelled a lot on it, because like you I had a change of outlook on matters of appearance, but I wasn't sure if it was temporary or not, especially since being fed up with current "aesthetic culture" played quite the part in it. What finally pushed me to do it was getting a physical job where I can't dress up (I was a student before) and being freed of my obsession with always having a huge advertisement for my personality and tastes stuck onto my body.
Sometimes I wonder if I was a coward for giving up because of social changes. But I'm just so tired of how fucking lazy people are becoming in knowing each other. It's all about what you LOOK LIKE you enjoy, and everyone who isn't obnoxious as all hell is boring with no taste. It's always been a bit like this, we are all vulnerable to the power of fascination, but something changed recently, as actual culture and involvement stopped mattering completely in favor of being fancy and online. No one cares to know you and what you like. They can't make guesses based on your personality either - it has to be obvious by looking at you. YOU have to make all the effort to be known, because Internet socialization has influenced real life in this manner. This really ruined alternative fashion as a whole to me.
But also in a way I always hated that Lolita is a fashion-based subculture. At some point I rabbit-holed into goth music and comparing both crowds made something click in my mind (definitely not saying goths are perfect, just check the goth thread). I'm not saying we should gatekeep or change anything, but I really had a hard time with "it's just clothes" and the skin-deep part being the priority. It made the whole thing feel like a theater costume more than an actual subculture.
No. 349689
>>349641I hate lolita, especially if it's worn outside in normal streets. The clash of normal grey colored surroundings and overly feminine attire is a pain.
You can sell stuff for more expensive by appealing to aesthetic though. If you use the right lighting, pictures, keywords for the outfits, some people obsessed with trying to be aesthetic on budget can buy them for close to retail price. Then again your size also matters, it'd be easier to sell a S/M size outfit than an xs or xl.
Good luck. Try not to buy new stuff to fast after getting rid of your clothes and try to stick to classic and versatile pieces instead of flashy stuff.
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>>349689kek, are you lost ?
>>349643If you want to wear it daily : pay attention to your basics/layers and beware not to become a pathological main piece collector.
The "layering system" in lolita makes up the entirety of its practicality, it's like victorian fashion in this regard. Invest in good cotton blouses of various sleeve lengths, bloomers, socks. Buy undershirts to protect your clothes from the inside (I can't stress this enough. DO IT), you can get thermal ones for the winter. Blouses with detachable sleeves are a godsend. Fyeahlolita had good advice, albeit outdated, about wardrobe building for every day wear. One recommendation was to pick a base color (white/offwhite/black) and one or two main colors that preferably look good with each other. Picrel for sweet with the colors white/pink/blue. It's not perfect i.e. having a color blouse doesn't really add anything compared to another white blouse from experience, it gives only restrictions with no bonuses. Overall these clothes are far tougher than they look - a good quality cotton main piece can still look neat after two decades.
If you just want to wear it sometimes, you can do what the others say and buy coord-by-coord.
Building an outfit is stupid easy : if it matches, you can wear it. In fact there are a bunch of lolitas who suck at fashion outside of it. You just need about an ounce of common sense and to know your measurements. About your height, like another nona said, Metamorphose and Innocent World carry the most long dresses. From experience, Meta is the one that best accomodates larger frames and longer torsos. But that always depends on the piece and how it's cut. Taobao brands have multiple sizes - I didn't buy much from them as I hate polyester, but I like Infanta a lot, it's been around for a long time and the price point is good for a beginner, and the bigger sizes are quite long.
While I'm at it, since you're asking for websites : Devilinspired is a scam. Just in case.
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>>349644Thank you anon. You're right.
>>349666>you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies areThis is exactly what's holding me back I think. I've always found it silly to attach clothes to your identity but I subconsciously fell for it. My friends and people in my life often ask when I'll wear "one of my pretty dresses" again and even mention that I dress "like that" sometimes when they introduce me. I know they mean well and genuinely think it's cool but I think it made me internalize that it's a crucial part of who I am instead of a hobby.
>>349677I relate to everything you said. I also worse lolita daily at one point and I also felt like I was expressing myself. I got into goth music too, even before I got into lolita and it always bothered me how it's a fashion based subculture. I never really enjoyed going to meets because of that, I had nothing in common with lolitas in my comm aside from wearing the fashion.
Something that's going to be difficult for me to let go of is how many people are interested in talking to me whenever I go out in lolita. I met so many people just because they thought I looked cool and approached me but when I think about it now it actually saddens me a little bit. As you said, people mostly care about what kind of person you
look like you are not who you actually are.
Thank you for understanding nonnies. Nobody irl would understand the situation so I'm glad for this thread!
>>349689Kek
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>>349727I'm
>>349666 and when I took my lolita hiatus I still wore a lot of my favorite pieces and got a lot of compliments on my style. I made a little capsule wardrobe based on that if anyone's interested.
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>>350166Also Lolita adjacent "otome" brands are worth checking out. They often go super cheap second hand too. Pic related is emily temple cute.
No. 350248
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What even is the point of lolita anymore if you're not a teen hanging out with your fellow lolita friends in 90s/00s Tokyo…it's just not fun when you're old and alone. Does anybody know whether there even still are any women wearing it in Japan?
The comm closest to me looks like the worst itas ever posted to cgl combined and it seems like they bring their men and kids…
Recently even Misako Aoki's vlogs no longer bring me joy, those meet ups look so dull, boring, quiet, everybody aging, even Mana-sama got fatter lately.. I want to turn back time
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>>350248The lack of community sucks but I will wear these clothes until I die even if I'm the last one on earth doing so kek. I have noticed- most comms suck because they're full of old fat gendies, but sometimes I see teen girls wearing lolita with their friends and just hanging out, usually at cons or arcades. They're usually tiktok zoomers in taobao but imo they have the "fun" you mentioned more than the average jaded /cgl/ user. I think there's a generational shift happening, teenagers still get interested in lolita but it's a totally different scene compared to when a lot of oldfag lolitas started (many of whom are now aging and graduating from the fashion). Lolita won't die, but I do think it will look very different in the future.
also the zoomers love Malice Mizer I don't think Mana-sama's popularity is dying any time soom No. 350373
>>350366there are tons of posts on the cow boards here shitting on women for being fat. it's always been that way and likely always will be.
>You could have just left it at gendies.I'm not even the anon who made the mana-pic post.
No. 350396
>>350388majority of the fat hatred here currently comes from women. a lot of it back then did too. fatties have always gotten shit on in the fashion - even the japanese lolitas used to poke fun at them on their anonymous imageboard back in the day. I'm not sure why this is such a foreign concept that there are lots of women who think being fat is gross and a thing of ridicule.
in terms of the fashion I think they get shit on so much in lolita because fatties have earned themselves a bad reputation by doing things such as stretching out/ruining brand dresses, buying replicas and using their fatness as an excuse, constantly screeching at brands to make bigger sizes then not buying said bigger sizes, being gross during comm meets (ordering a shit ton of food and shoveling it into their face, spilling food on their brand, smelling bad, etc), shooping themselves/denying being overweight, and generally being entitled nuisances. for the most part the fatties who are actually well-dressed and not unhinged typically don't get shat on.
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I been in 3 different comms in the last 5 years and each one has had a blatant AGP active in it. I'm so sick of this shit! And of course they never get booted because the only girls who can stand to be active enough in the comms to have a voice are the ones who don't mind or who let the trannies in in the first place!
No. 350626
>>350396>even the japanese lolitas do it, must be okay to do itthen you guys wonder why your comms are full of gendies. anyone with common sense doesn't want to join a community that's either anorexic delusional women saying any woman should look like a victorian waif while dressing lolita or perish, or gendies who wont say any kind of criticism on your face in fear of being cancelled.
>ruining brand dressesnever ceases to amaze me how lolitas think private purchases are a community asset. not even the most deranged doll collectors would consider a doll a community asset if one were to customize a rare doll to the point it is not original and untouched anymore, for example.
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Did a favorite dress 3x3 (some of these I own, some I don't)
They're pretty fun to make though.
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>>350635Then my friend was like 'we should do a most hated dresses one'
Only did brand since I felt like including taobao was cheating.
No. 350640
>>350396Everyone looks kinda fat in lolita to me tbh. Especially modern lolita with the endless petticoats and light pastel colors, everyone ends up looking pretty big unless theyre absolutely tiny to begin with.
When I look through old fruits or GLB magazines and stuff most of the Japanese lolitas are pretty stocky and have thick legs and arms, they arent obese or whatever but they don't look skinny even by western standards. I've always associated lolita with chubbiness, it just gives that vibe, but I agree that massive landwhales ruin the image of the fashion. At the risk of sounding controversial, most lolitas are itas imo, not in terms of outfits per se but you can't deny there's a lot of pretty unattractive and overweight women in the movement both in japan and the west, it used to annoy me but as you get older you stop caring so much, and just learn to appreciate the outfits rather than caring about lolitas faces or bodies.
No. 350644
>>350642>who also love yaoiBased
>and jrock and worship gay moids and men dressing in makeup and women's clothingUnbased
No. 350648
>>350248I feel really happy when I meet older lolitas tbh. The people I look up to most are old school lolitas who are in their 30s and 40s now. Of course many of then don't wear lolita on a regular basis because they have kids and studf but when they do they can still pull it off usually because they have so much experience with styling outfits and being part of the subculture.
Also a lot of lolitas age pretty well I've noticed maybe because they don't tend to be into drugs alcohol and partying as much as normies or maybe because they do Asian skincare usually. Fannyrosie is like 35 and still looks gorgeous and wears her coords as well as ever.
>>350310Hyperfeminine fits with lots of pink and frills are definitely more popular with zoomers than ever. Theres a small indie Korean lolita themed brand I follow thats targeted more at zoomers and almost every single piece they make is sold out extremely quickly so there's obviously a demand for it. But I agree the focus is less on quality nowadays and more about just the overall vibe or aesthetic. Zoomers don't care about brand and don't have the money for it either. Also they don't care so much about the rules or outfit etiquette anymore, they will mix the more elaborate pieces with casual stuff like tshirts and camis more. Fashion in general is becoming much more throwaway. Zoomers see no point in investing in a 40000 yen JSK that they will get a lot of wear out of because repeating outfits is a death sentence to them.
No. 350656
>>334667Japanese people take fashion super seriously and also (used to) have a massive cult of brand loyalty. Other subcultures like gyaru and himegyaru were definitely just as bad if not worse tbh, if you were wearing Jesus Diamante or whatever you were expected to wear nothing but JD from top to bottom, JD had a serious cult in the day and strangely still kind of does somehow despite dwindling in popularity for a decade. Same with DIA if you look at old pictures of the black diamond gyaru or whatever you’ll notice basically everything they are wearing except their shoes is from DIA. You were expected to use DIA perfume, wear only DIA tops shirts hoodies shorts belts and even jewelry, had to display their logo all over your outfit to show how loyal you were to the brand etc.
I believe it started with the Japanese shop girls who were expected to be models and ambassadors for the brand. Wearing another brand was seen as disloyal and bad form to the company so they would basically have to wear nothing but head to toe from the same brand then other girls saw it and started copying it, it became a way to prove how dedicated you were to the subculture, but really it was just a marketing ploy.
No. 350664
>>350626you seem to be inferring things I did not say. I never mentioned anything about my personal opinion on whether I think it's ok or not, all I'm pointing out is that fatties always have been and will continue to be made fun of. it doesn't matter if you or anyone else personally doesn't like it since you cannot control what others think and say.
people welcoming predators and fetishists into comms is a much more pressing issue than the occasional weight sperging that is easily ignored by avoiding certain /cgl/ threads.
>>350638some lolitas are super obsessive over certain dresses especially older/rarer ones. maybe it's an autism or ocd thing? to some these dresses are like an important historical artifact that must be preserved so they take it personally when a dress they deem important is ruined.
>>350640yeah I can kinda see that especially with all the poof of ott sweet.
I don't have an issue with ugly/slightly chubby women wearing the fashion and can still appreciate when they have good coords. obviously there are a lot that do take issue however. it's when they're very overweight yet try to cram themselves into super tiny dresses that I think looks ridiculous.
looking back at old street snaps a lot of these women would be made fun of for being ugly if these pics were taken in recent years and there has been a trend of lolitas thinking that not wearing makeup makes the coord ita which is dumb imo. I agree about appreciating the outfits above all.
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>>350636why do you hate ap gingham color scheme and ap cotton candy shop? I'm surprised picrel didn't make it on the list
No. 350671
>>350640Yeah most lolitas are unattractive because they're not normie women, that's why it's so funny to me when a chubby uggo trashes on another chubby uggo. It's like watching retards fight.
They should either not judge other women or not look horrendous themselves so it doesn't look ironic when they call out other women's flaws but we both know that the unattractive anons are the ones to mock other women the most. It's proven right every time some regular poster in a cows thread gets exposed and they turn out to be ugly fat and old themselves.
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Lolita peaked in the 2000s for me. I feel like the designs are getting uglier and making people look like giant stupid babies.
I don’t like the
>excessive petticoats
>excessively large curly wigs especially those in pink or lilac or other unnatural pastel colours
>not enough sensible use of black in modern coords to make outfits look more mature, everything is either pastel baby vomit or boring victorian dull colours like navy and brown
>trying to look too childish in general
Old school lolita got the balance between elegant and mature and cute IMO. Everything nowadays is either way too childish or way too dull and boring.
Sorry for ranting just my opinion.
No. 350727
>>350667>why do you hate ap gingham color schemeI don't like it when people mix too many pastels and I haaaate yellow most of the time.
>and ap cotton candy shopToo sugary sweet, other OTT sweet prints at least have some balance (though I'm not a fan of stuff like milky planet either) but cotton candy shop just hurts my eyes with all the stuff going on.
>surprised picrel didn't make it on the listI like the print actually! The collar could have been better and I'm not a huge fan of the stripes but the base print of the geese is very pretty.
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If anyone can, could people provide resources or places to shop for beginner/cheap lolita? I'm a newfag who was planning on getting into it but I'm not sure if I wanna go completely head first in.
I did know about things like the GLB from some youtube videos and some brands like Angelic Pretty having a store in California I believe but thats it.
I also wanna do stuff thats more simple and basic like bottom left outfit in pic. Thanks.
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>>350777When you're a beginner dipping your toe in, it will be tempting to buy cheap but I highly recommend not doing that. You will most likely look wrinkly, cheap and disheveled. If you want anything of decent quality for cheap, you're going to have to know what you're looking for already and be constantly lurking on the secondhand market for a deal, like anything else. Just invest in one good outfit with highly sought brands, and in the end if you don't like lolita, it will at least have some resale value.
Instead, find some pictures of outfits you like a lot and see what brands she's wearing. and then when you go shopping, shop for those brands only, even for the accessories like bags or socks. Make sure you pay a lot of attention to your hairstyle and makeup, too. (Compare it to snaps you like.)
As for great places for beginners to shops, there is Wunderwelt and Closetchild. They both ship internationally. I wouldn't call them cheap but average prices, although Closetchild occasionally puts up great deals if you know what you're looking for, but anyways they're easy to use and usually have a good selection.
There aren't many good resources for lolita. Unfortunately the community is very catty and it seems to be a trend that cute and talented girls who attempt to be a Youtuber or anything like that tend to get bullied harshly until they quit. There are like a thousand "beginner guide to lolita" videos and articles if you just Google it, I'm not sure how helpful any of those are, I also feel I should point out that many lolitas are incredibly dishonest and will tell you you look good even if you objectively look like terrible, for example a prominent figure in the community Tyler Willis encourages men to wear beards with their coords, so rely on your own good judgement and don't listen too much to others. You'd do better to find what you like visually and imitate it to a T.
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>>350783I did some digging into /cgl/ so I got some basic resources and even talked to some people deep into lolita.
I've heard of Buyee and Lace Market (recommendations) but I'll check out Wunderwelt and Closetchild.
I already had an idea of how the Lolita community might be so I think I have a good head on my shoulders, thank you
nonnie!
No. 350794
>>350777I second the other anon who mentioned Closet Child and Wunderwelt as good places to buy from. They have great explanations of the condition a piece is in, you won't get any surprise stains or tears. It's tempting to buy cheaper items that are quite heavily damaged but unless you know what you're doing I wouldn't try to fix them. You can buy from Taobao too, there are loads of guides on how to buy from there and which shopping services to use. You can also use Lacemarket, which you won't need a shopping service for. Altered clothes tend to be cheaper but the type and quality of the alterations will vary wildly, so again bear that in mind.
Plan out a few coordinates based on a main piece- if you can't think of any coordinates, get a different main piece. Find a color scheme and stick to that color scheme like glue (use the color of main piece plus colors of any details on that main piece and match the shades). Look up the measurements of a piece you want to buy and see if it'll fit, there's not a lot of stretch in most lolita clothing so ideally you want to be at least half an inch smaller than the measurements given, and OP, JSK, blouse and skirt measurements are sometimes different so don't assume you'll fit comfortably into all of them.
Repeating coords is normal in lolita but ideally you want a lot of accessories so you can get more wear out of them. Invest in nice blouses, ideally with a mix of fabric weights, sleeve lengths, and details. Get several pairs of socks and tights that match your main piece. When you expand your wardrobe, it's not a bad idea to match your new purchase to the accessories you already own. Make sure your petticoat matches the skirt shape of whatever you're wearing.
No. 350797
>>350794>>350796Thank you guys, but I heard some sketchy things from Taobao so I guess tread with caution.
I for one am very into the gothic and classic kind, kind of like a preppy look that's simple but I do love some jumper skirts that have unique patterns or designs.
I already have a feel for fashion already and know not to mix patterns of course, try neutrals to mix and match, use same color schemes/be monochromatic, etc. My stepmother also sews so I can ask her for help.
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>>350618That's my plan with my new comm. My last comm had a really blatant sissy that seemed to go to every. single. meet. And almost all of the public meets were in crowded places like shopping malls, so it was just too embarrassing for me. My new comm thankfully has lower key meets and a pet tranny that's slightly less dedicated and kind of almost passes.
>>350724Look at pictures from after the year 2013 time-traveler chan
>>350797I agree newbies should stick to brand as much as possible, except for shoes and bags. Since you like such simple pieces, maybe you could just get offbrand shoes. Look at a brand you like on library.org, see if they've ever sold shoes that look like something you could buy in stores and then do that. You want to be able to try them on in person ideally. Payy attention to heel height, visual weight, leather type, heel and toe shapes, and any embellishments. If you have a big budget, American duchess has some shoes that would be cute with the pic you originally posted.
>>350830>I also find most of the new sweet releases kind of hideous because I strongly dislike prints and massive skirtsBaby literally has pieces first released in 2005 in stock on its website rn?
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Mm…it looked nicer in the stock photos, I'd still love to own the skirt and tie someday though.
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>>351070maybe because it's a collaboration.
No. 351133
>>350828They haven't come with built-in petticoats for years. Very little post-2014 has built-in petticoats.
>>351115You have to just ignore them and get to where you're going quickly. Normally the bigger the group of people the less likely you are of getting harassed.
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>>351115Yeah I got harassed a bit when I used to wear lolita daily, as other anon suggested go out with a friend when you can or at least bring pepper spray kek. The amount of harassment you get will really depend on where you live imo. Living in a city I get weird stares at worst but when I lived in the suburbs people would stop me a lot more often, sometimes harassment or just rude curiosity. All you can really do is ignore them
No. 351179
>>351115Carry mace and or a gun in your cute lil purse. Don’t engage with harassers or weirdos, if they try to approach you don’t be friendly, simply keep it moving, also try to get a car or ubers/taxis more, public transport is too risky IMO especially if you are alone. For some reason I find that moids leave me alone more if I wear a mask because I feel like it kind of desexualizes and hides me in a way, so you could maybe try that. Trust me almost every Lolita I’ve talked to has gone through harassment or assault, I know girls who’ve had men try to hit or punch them, had food or drinks thrown at them, got screamed at, laughed at etc. It basically depends how safe and civilized your town is, my experience is the opposite of the above nona tbh I found in more rural places nobody cared or bothered me but in the city there are way more creeps and antisocial teens who will try to bother you.
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>>351168I feel like for a lot of people that's enough of a reason for them to buy it though, I really love DR and Celes as a character and BTSSB is my favorite brand so I'd imagine it's a nice way of showing your love.
With that being said though the collab piece I'm actually on the hunt for is the Shinku set from IW.
No. 351225
>>351198Ya one of my favorite lesser known lolitas made a video saying that even though most comments are positive towards her or just usual annoying normies saying she looks like bo peep or singing barbie girl or whatever, she’s had teenage boys throw food and cans of drinks at her, when she was going into a shop one guy screamed ‘WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT’ towards her while his gf was laughing at her hysterically, she’s had men attempt to spit at her, she’s been grabbed and men come up and start trying to lift her skirt up and stuff (so she said she began wearing shorts or culottes under every outfit in public because of this). She said that two of her friends got approached by a moid who said they both should be raped. What I’ve heard from most Lolitas I have spoken to is that 99% of the negative or serious harassment always comes from moids, for some reason, lolita fashion
triggers moids and makes them weirdly aggressive, maybe because it’s desexualised and cutesy and men chimp out towards anything that seems vulnerable and innocent.
No. 351574
>>351225I remember a lolita I followed on LJ in 2010 saying how some muslim scrotes threw literal stones at her for wearing AP. They're fucking unhinged. I wonder if the harassment is worse depending on the country? I've had people yell shit or sing at me or honk their cars but nothing ever physical. Carrying a parasol as
>>351154 mentioned is the first tip I heard from fellow lolitas in my comm when I was a newbie.
No. 351722
That's so sad, I always idolized her, if not even she can cope, how should I…
I remember reading 5+ years ago that she tried dating apps and said that she knows that if she uses a pic of her as nurse she could find a man but to her lolita is more important. But I guess as years pass by…
>>351665Are you sure? I always thought it's her eye shape and makeup plus her acting "ladylike".
This might just be my assumption but judging by her videas the japanese lolita scene and therefore her job changed a lot too. Back then she was a small celebrity, attended huge events with other lolita friends and went around introducing stores. Now those barely exist anymore, her fellow models are all mommies now (hell even butch Akira…), the few tea parties seem boring and not like she has any friends and the majority of events are in China now because girls there are the only ones still buying and wearing it.
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Does anybody remember Moon Kana? She was the og model for old GLB and a vk-ish singer. She's now also 40+ but still wears lolita (seemingly all the time). She moved to Canada ages ago, got married and had kids but her husband seems supportive and also dresses up sometimes.
Many comments on Misako's video are supportive from other women in their 40s or older who didn't give up or even only started now but if it makes you lonely and full of regrets like her… But stopping lolita because of societys expectations could also cause regrets… it's just sad.
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Found the old interview in which she talked about dating (and also quitting), it's from 4 years ago.
Pic is her at 18 but it's true that her height was rather at 30.
>Is it really OK for me to keep being a lolita?' I often wonder. While I do believe that one shouldn't worry about wearing 'age-appropriate' clothing, my thoughts still turn to age when I'm having a meal with friends who are married and raising children. 'Is it really OK for me to keep dressing like this?'>The first time she felt pressure to quit lolita fashion was at 25 years old. She had been a nurse for 5 years and was working full time at a hospital when the Ministry of Foreign Affairs nominated her to be a cultural ambassador. She switched from working full time in the hospital to part-time and in-home care to make enough time for cultural ambassador duties, but she felt very conflicted about it.>Just as I was hitting my stride with both of my careers, everyone around me was getting married. Once you turn 30, people start getting married in droves. I started getting anxious about that. As a nurse and lolita I'm primarily surrounded by women, so I hadn't met any men I wanted to date. A friend of mine recommended an online dating app to me. And as you might expect, men were really put off when I met them dressed in lolita. They'd say things like 'that's way too gaudy, you have to stop wearing that' or 'I can't bring you to meet my parents dressed like that.' I felt prejudice from every single date.Most people in Japan get married super late if at all, it makes no sense that hobbies and fashion is limited to kids only. But it's the sad truth, yesterday I saw quite a big gyaru yt channel and some of them were unironically 13…
>>351736I only came across her youtube and ig recently, do you know if she has she been active all this time or just now again?
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>>351750She stopped appearing in GLB around the mid 2000s I think, which is a shame because she was one of the most prominent models and shared a lot of her patterns. She was doing music and social media then suddenly disappeared for a bunch of years, I think during the late 10s and the pandemic, it was a bit worrying. Turns out she had just moved to Canada, married there and had two children, as you said. So yes, it is only recently that she returned online and still wears and makes lolita clothes.
No. 351767
>>351750In Japan your teen years are seen as the last chance you have to express yourself shamelessly through fashion, crazy hair, wild behavior and partying or whatever. Then you’re expected to go back to dressing boringly, go to work everyday and dye your hair back to a safe black or brown again. By around 20 a lot of people drop out of any scenes they are in and at 25 it’s really unusual for people to still be active members. I think it’s changing a bit nowadays as Japan becomes more westernized and open minded (they’ve even been putting plus size models in shop windows for a few years ago which a decade or two ago would have been practically unheard of) but in Misakos generation it’s definitely seen as kind of strange and weird for a woman to be still dressing in a Harajuku style like lolita daily at 30-40, so I’m not surprised she faces a lot of prejudice.
Japan is weird because on one hand they’re very open minded about fashion and aesthetics and you can wear the craziest most impractical stuff in the street there and absolutely no Japanese person will bother you, but at the same time they’re pretty socially conservative and judgey of a persons life stages if they’re seen to be deviating from the ‘correct’ path, even if it’s just wearing unusual clothing.
I remember reading interviews with the really old manba and ganguro girls from the 90s and 2000s, and they would say people called them scum, cockroaches, freaks and spit at them and stuff. They were also quite bullied at school by other girls and would often drop out early because of it. After a while being a crazy ganguro girl became trendy so a lot of girls started copying them. They would also sometimes purposely try to taint their own image and feed into the native stereotypes to rebel, like would not bathe, brag about engaging in prostitution and break social cues like laughing and talking loudly on the subway or gathering to sit in the red light district which also earned them a bad reputation. Lolitas have a less bad reputation but they are still generally seen as kind of weird by Japanese people.
No. 352307
>>351744There's a singular troon who comes to meets maybe once a year. People avoid the ones he goes to because he's an overdramatic hideous gay moid. The cosplay community hates him, the idol community hates him, even the mods hate him (am friends with some of the mods and they've told me outright) but they're afraid of banning him over optics because he doesn't overtly dress like a sissy and would rather just send private invitations and exclude him as if he's going to get the hint one day. It's so frustrating. Just ban his ass. Apart from that there's a singular ouji enby but she's pretty harmless.
Our sister city's comm was invaded by FTM troons and all the normal lolitas left the comm and just meet up as friends now or come to meets here. As a result that comm's basically dead.
No. 352317
>>351574Middle Eastern and North African scrotes were always the worst whenever I attended meetups in the bigger cities. They would walk right up to our group, stick their phones in our faces and film us while very aggressively asking shit like “How much for blowjob? How much for anal?” This happened multiple times. Even when they didn’t come up to us they’d scream at us from across the street, calling us baby whores and shit. And the annoying thing is that my comm is ultra-woke so we literally couldn’t even acknowledge that this happened because that would be racist or Islamophobic or whatever, so instead girls would vent their frustration by complaining about the “horrible Karens” who did nothing except stare at us on public transport. I honestly felt like I was going crazy a few of those occasions, like did I imagine that? Did no one else see them? Why isn’t anyone talking about it? It’s a big part of the reason that I barely attend meets anymore.
>>351744My comm is overrun by female they/thems and we have a history of seriously deranged sissy AGP troons but as far as I can tell, the current crop of male troons is (almost) exclusively online. The handful of times they’ve shared photos or measurements you could tell they were giant hulking ogres so I suppose they realise deep down that actually attending a meet with real women will drive home the size difference and shatter their uwu smol loli uwu delusion. Good. Stay home and keep your nasty Taobao maid shit in your filthy rooms.
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>>352549there are some longer cute coats that go down way past the knees and should help keep legs warm. you can wear warm socks underneath boots overtop of your tights, get socks that aren't quite long enough to be visible over top the boots so that it doesn't matter if they don't match your coord. earmuffs or cute fluffy hats (like those bunny hoods), scarves, and gloves can be incorporated into the coord to keep warm while looking cute. wearing a wig will help keep trap heat in too. you can wear a pair of thick tights with utks on top of them if done right - pic related is an example that looks decent imo.
No. 352703
>>352560Speaking of coats, anyone know where to find some lolita coats for chubbyish girls? I bought a secondhand alice and the pirates coat that seemed like it would fit a while ago but I sadly cannot fully close the buttons at my chest.
It gets fairly cold where I live so I also would prefer something actually warm.
No. 354406
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Usakumya looking like a domestic abuse victim
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Two stupid questions:
Does anyone know if pic related are comfortable to walk in? I've been debating about getting a pair for a while. Or maybe I should get a similar pair from American Duchess?
How much do EU nonnas usually like to mark down their packages? I've never bought anything expensive from outside the EU before.
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I wish there was more posting on this thread as the mods here actually fucking bother to delete shit stirring and ban people. /CGL/ is such a shithole now and full of bait and aggressive petty anons.
>>359649Are you from the US anon? Things are pretty bad here and expensive so I imagine that's why buying has slowed down. I'm trying to purge some things from my wardrobe just to have some extra money. I get a lot of faves on LM but never anyone actually buying despite the decent pricing. I always get sour when I see people buying ugly as sin taobao dresses that cost even MORE than brand ones. So bizarre.
No. 361374
>>360884Lolitas still exist, most of the smart ones just decided to stop fucking with comms and posting their pictures to the internet because the community is so
toxic and also now full of moids
No. 361380
>>360884>like ap, btssb, and moitie sells out of some new releases stillI'd place my bets on chinese lolitas.
Otherwise I can't blame people for deciding to buy new, considering half of the second hand market right now are retards sitting on their damaged, decade old items trying to sell them for their original price. I barely even bother with japanese second hand websites anymore for that reason. Everything cheap immediately gets bought up by the same few scalpers and all that's left are $400 dresses no one even wants. Even livejournal comm sales prices weren't that bad. I'm honestly so glad I have a more than fulfilling wardrobe already, being a newbie right now must suck so hard.
No. 362316
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I have an inverted body triangle body with medium frame but large shoulders. I want to dress in cute Lolita clothes, but I look absolutely awful in them because my body shape and natural face looks like tranny trying to sneak into Lolita. Are there any cords that can make me look a little more balanced? Most of the time, I look awful
No. 362331
>>362316Ignore the other anon, she’s fat. It’s hard to have broad shoulders in lolita because a lot of stuff will be too small for you. ime the square neck blouses with neck ties draw attention away from your shoulder width. don’t bother with oldschool outerwear, it’s made for tiny shoulders so get a newer cardigan/jacket from BTSSB or something.
if you feel like your ribcage is too wide or your torso is too long, look for low waisted dresses or do blouse + skirt coords which will always sit at your natural waist and look more flattering. avoid empire waist or babydoll JSKs and sack dresses, you will look fat.
No. 362349
>>362316I would also say for this stick to more mature gothic styles vs super cutesy sweet. I am top heavy and have a sharp face and I find when I wear a coord too sweet i can look a little manish but if i do coords that are more oldschool/gothic it works better for me. also what this anon
>>362331 said. Also I find when balancing out a larger upper half chunkier shoes help alot
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>>362316Have the same body type as u Nona.
Adding to what
>>362331 said I gravitate to dresses with princess seams like pic rel that would be more flattering since u can cinch it in where u want to than if u had a dress with a defined waist seam (ofc princess line dresses are really a line so keep that in mind). If u can lengthen the straps on a jsk it can bring the waist down a bit as well. Another inverted triangle lolita I know buys some plus sized dresses and takes them in at the waist because they tend to have longer bodices than the regular size.
If u can remove bows and such from the top of the dress without ruining it do it, and stick to blouses with simpler necklines. Ime it draws more attention to my upper half to have alot of ruffles and bows and such going on at the same time. Having a fuller petti can also help balance out ur upper and lower halves.
But all that said just wear anything you like that fits, this body type might not be the best for lolita but I'm still gonna wear it anyway.
No. 362855
>>362852I feel really similar. I have a small wardrobe although I could afford more, I'm just really picky. But even then I don't find myself wearing my pieces that much.
I have some excuses like the weather getting prohibitively colder and not always going out much, but it makes me feel sad and like I should be more consistently committed. I wonder if I had space for a more aesthetically pleasing closet I'd feel better about the dresses just hanging in the dark every day.
No. 363075
>>362852I feel similar too. I have a small-medium sized wardrobe (around 30ish main pieces) because I used to be one of those lolitas
>>362863 mentioned. It was my main hobby and I wore it pretty much daily until I got really burnt out and stopped for like a year. Now I'm slowly coming back to wearing it occasionally but it's not my whole life like it used to be. I'm so glad I didn't sell everything during that off period. I definitely wanted to at the time, I thought I was done.
I try to wear my more toned down things in other fashions like blouses and simple jsks, classic dresses as sundresses and gothic pieces in general goth fashion. That way most of my stuff still gets used, only the really OTT stuff is rotting in my closet unless I have a con or meet to go to which is barely ever. I still like all that stuff so I have no plans to sell it. Sometimes I feel bad that I'm not pushing myself to dress up more the way I used to, but I was miserable doing that. I guess it is what it is.
Maybe if you have the space you could get a dress form to rotate coords on and still look at them, even if you don't feel like wearing them?
No. 371993
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Oh boy do I have a rant. I used to enjoy lolita so much (still try to do on my own as a hermit), but it's so hard to look at what lolita around me had become. It has taken me so long to really piece together my disdain, but what is boils down too is that so many newbies are missing the fact that they are supposed to be presenting elegance. Take me back to the early 2000s.
Back then there was so much respect for the fashion as well as for it's luxury and collector value. There was more respect for foundational brands, (which without how could this fashion even be?) You never see what is happening to lolita happen with the fans of any other luxury or collector fashions. Imagine someone went a Jordans new-release drop while wearing some walmart brand, great value ass fakes, they tell the Sneaker-heads and Hypebeasts that their shoes are just as good, then they go on to shit on luxury shoe brands. You never see it, they would be shut down immediately and mocked.
And sure, self-made and tailored pieces could work, a lot of seamstresses who made and wore lolita used the glb patterns anyway.
I really think that this is what is missing went it comes to newbies in the fashion. Lolita is treated as an "aesthetic" and everyone want to throw something together fast without considering the quality of the pieces (or even if their outfit matches). Don't get me wrong, anybody can wear what they want, but they don't have to call it lolita. Now every online space is oversaturated with garbage. There used to be so much care and thought put into coords and overall looks. I miss hearing about a friend's or comm-member's coord builds. Things took longer but it was worth it, you could see that pieces were more appreciated and coords were polished. Lolitas took feedback to heart and discussion was better. You would learn if someone said something did not work.
On a sidenote, I think right now what I hate seeing the most is that wigs, hair accessories, and hats are less popular with newbies. All I see are people trying to make coords with greasy, unkempt hair. It's sad that majority of the people attracted to the fashion can't groom themselves well or invest is a decent enough wig. It's easily a turn off for me, like even simple styling can elevate a look. I don't know why someone would not want ever bit of themselves to look good while wearing lolita. I'm not sure if it's talked about anymore, but a big critique years back used to be whether or not someone looked proportional while wearing lolita. It just looks weird to see someone wear clothes that give their body a wider silhouette, without them having hair or accessories to give their head a proportional volume. (Aside from some classical looks with A-line or narrow silhouettes) Without it, their head just look small and off, and when flat greasy hair is thrown in, it's so much worst. What Victorian or Rococo era elite looked like a dirty nerd?
Secondly, I'm so tired of seeing cheap goth platforms, Doc Martens, and ugly ass pastel sneakers worn with lolita. I've even seen someone wear crocs… It never looks good, never.
No. 372025
>>371993I know what you mean. The quality, cut and lasting power of clothes has seriously declined in the last 10-15 years. So much of it is pure crap that barely lasts one wash. Goth got watered down by tiktok zoomers and now they’re bored with that so they’re trying to ruin lolita too.
I think the main problem nowadays is that zoomers don’t have a concept when thinking about an outfit. In traditional Lolita, you have to carefully think out a whole outfit, coordinate everything well, obey the basic rules, make sure you’re wearing decent quality pieces that don’t have weird addons and distracting unnecessary ugly details etc.
Zoomers don’t take any of that into account really: 100% taobao outfits are fine, even if they look cheap and are covered in weird things like unnecessary straps and crappy lace; you don’t have to have a concept for your outfit, it can be anything you decide to throw on; nothing has to coordinate or be in the same color scheme; you don’t have to obey any rules and can add or remove whatever you want etc, also no one is allowed to criticize you for this. No wonder many coordis nowadays are a disaster.
Frankly I don’t like a lot of what became ‘normal’ in 2010s lolita either: like the ugly loud patterned tights and socks, the overly childish prints, the ugly big curly wigs (especially in pastel shades), nazi tier brand loyalty and wearing everything from the same collection at once while absolutely refusing to wear anything, even one tiny accessory, that isn’t from the same collection to the point it looks
too coordinated with no personality, absolutely huge petticoats that give many western lolita tummies and make them look 30lbs heavier etc.
So while I hate what zoomers are doing to Lolita, I don’t mind it looking a bit more ‘punk’ and hand knitted. For instance I actually like the normal hair look, like just casual pigtails or whatever that you see in Fruits a lot with classic lolita. I also like the smaller petticoats that don’t add as much volume, the slimmer silhouette, the less 100% coordinated thing, adding your own personal accessories that aren’t necessary from the same Lolita brands or are off brand to give your outfit a more personal touch etc. The only Lolita looks I really like anymore are classic late 90s and early 2000s.
No. 372121
>>372025You're right there really has been a huge decline in the 2010's. Everything became so over the top that coords basically became a costume.
I also think the rise of lolita influencers ruined the fashion. Most of the newbies were getting their info from (usually wrong) sources. And those sources created hugboxes where no one could be wrong.
No. 372153
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>>371993I feel similar sentiments. Imo, if you think a plain solid coloured jsk is ugly or plain and you cannot fathom wearing the fashion and not taking pictures or gaining attention out of it, you should admit that you don't like lolita and consider staying the fuck away from the greater community. It's not just about trying to get as much attention as possible or throwing on as much shit in competition, it's about genuine love and passion and cultivating personal taste. Seeing people in the lolita community bash moitie for release a plain jsk that was perfect for beginners and had a lot of mileage in terms of wear made me really see how far the community aspect of lolita had fallen. Sure it's expensive, but seeing that stupid ugly drag moid who for some reason is allowed in our communities act all sassy about it and be a little bitch was straight up
triggering. In general, a lot of the nu-lolitas crawled in our direction being they are trend hoppers who think that the current era of alt fashion looks good, the tacky accessories, the ill fitting clothes, shit fabrics and fried hair. Also, hair and makeup in lolita is insanely easy, all you have to do is have decent hair that is cut nicely and basic natural makeup. You can even go to the hairdressers to get your wig shaped nicely if you cannot do it yourself. And some mother fuckers cannot manage that. Lastly, cannot stand people who wear sweet lolita and cannot be arsed to buy $40 shoes that are suitable for the outfit. It's not the fucking hard!!! Stick to the forever 21 clearance rank bitches!!
i swear this is the last time i repost this, needed to smooth things over No. 373144
>>355631They're not comfortable to wear or walk in at all, and they're not leather. I don't regret buying them because I got them when VM was running a sale but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a diehard ride or die VM fan.
>>371993You basically summarized what I've been feeling for the last (almost) decade whenever I see coords posted - nobody knows how to put things together in a nuanced and balanced way anymore. Unfortunately, this need to have instant gratification and validation by just buying in rather than actually working up to the goal through research and understanding is everywhere now, and I really don't think it's going to stop anytime soon.
That and inclusivity/lack of gatekeeping letting in all the lolitas at heart really fucked us over.
No. 373678
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I feel like devilinspired has ruined lolita so much. It bothers me that people think that shit is what the fashion is when it's literally just cheap idol costumes. Bring back the little bo peep comparisons, she always has amazing co-ords!!!
No. 374635
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Has Maple stopped selling their ringlet wigs? I can't find them on their site anymore.
No. 374700
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Is anyone gonna go for the Day Dream MTO? I'm still undecided on what colorway I want. The ivory is super pretty imo
No. 374704
>>374189There's been some listed to Disboard and RC, etc. Be careful what you post because many are watched for content and leaked (FZCZ, EGL, mentoring, old schooler, Lolibrary). It's better to do like
>>374203 says and get invited to small private servers.
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>>374351Perhaps you would enjoy Liz Lisa, nona? That's a brand that's very firmly in the "girly Japanese fashion that isn't lolita" category
No. 376605
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Does anyone know of any brands that make kodona/ouji besides AnTP? I've been wanting to explore the look and build a wardrobe for a while.
I would love to see the styles in lighter colors/ or with whimsical motifs. Typically, I wear classical in lighter colors, so I'd love to find something in that vein.
I adore the outfit in this pic (though I'd change the trousers), but I can't find anything like it.
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Im toying with the idea of wearing lolita again. I left in 2021 but now I'm feeling the itch again. Even if my collection is small, even if I have to handmade some accesories, even if I have to repair my bodyline rocking horse shoes I can't shut off the idea of wearing lolita again in the autumn.
I was a quiet member of the old school lolita server, anyone knows if it's still there?
No. 378013
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>>377889Im sorry about your chronic illness anona. You're right, today looking at my wardrobe some pieces made me happy and lots of ideas for coords flew. I realized that one of my problems is that I have pieces that I don't like, so I'll work towards selling them and buying some staples. I'll like to sew some basic skirts and jsks too.
No. 378043
>>378020Do you like goth styles and more mature styles? It's a matter of get used to the clothes too. You don't need a cherub baby face to rock lolita, same with your height and platforms.
You could give it a try, make youself confortable wearing it at home in weekends as a treat and explore what suits you and ofc what you like
No. 380547
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A (modern) vocaloid x BTSSB collab is a dream come true, and they chose one of my favorite Miku designs. I'm so tempted but $800 is a lot
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The other release just looks a regular release that they drew Miku wearing.
No. 380701
>>380699There's a cute ones here and there, but it honestly relies more on the character's design over the actual dress the brand puts out
Some ones that stand out as actually being cute are
>Rozen Maiden x Innocent world's entire collab set is adorable>Mawaru penguindrum x Innocent world>Kagerou project x BTSSB>AP x Shiki>Artiswitch x Meta and SheglitAnd some of the stuff in the Macross frontier collabs are cute (some of them are real ugly though).
No. 380721
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>>380692ayrt but I don't really mind that, I see it as a "cosplay made by BTSSB" and would wear it as such. I also think the IW rozen maiden collabs are amazing, but that series has designs closest to irl lolita I've ever seen in anime
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>>380721>I also think the IW rozen maiden collabs are amazingI genuinely don’t get why they were unpopular for a while, though now they’re popular of course and are expensive…but at least I got one dress from the collaboration before they got expensive (suigintou) I’d love to get Shinku’s set in the future.
The new rozen maiden collab that was done with a smaller brand was super ugly though.
No. 381624
>>380450Try /cgl/, this thread, Tumblr, blogs, personal websites etc. As
>>381376said, Discord is full of tards.
No. 392941
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I've been a long time admirer of Lolita fashion, and now that I'm making money I really want start wearing the clothes myself. I really like classic lolita,sweet lolita on the more elegant side, and 'country Lolita's. I found a brand called Miss Point and they check all my boxes. I'm pretty certain they are a Chinese indie brand, but I love their designs more then the typical mainstream stuff. They are more in my price range too lol. Has anyone here ever bought something from them? Their reviews on Reddit seem to be positive but I wanted a second opinion. Picrel is one op I'm looking at. So many of their pieces are calling my name.
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are there any actually active discord servers nowadays? i took a break to pursue other fashions for a while, and now i've come back to lolita and found that the vetted server is missing all of the people that made it comfy and cute. i'll leave an email in case anyone is willing to drop an invite, all the public ones seem to be lacking even more than vetted.
>>393471the alpstola release yesterday was cute, grabbed a black x blue. they still have some stock.
No. 393483
>>393472my chesticles dont fit in it but that's a gorgeous OP.
>>393479where do they take custom orders through? taobao?
No. 394043
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>meta order arrived
>they sent a wrong colorway
>forgot my KC
am I fucked? I already paid VAT and don't want to send it back. at least it's a color I like.
No. 394405
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>>393472Dang that OP is gorgeous. If I wasn't saving up my money I would absolutely try to grab one. I love it in white too
No. 394713
>>392941>>393479Is
https://42lolita.com/ a good site to order from Miss Point?
No. 394738
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Sage for slight retardation, forgive me if that's the case.
I want to get into gothic lolita fashion, but I don't know if I will ever be suited for it so I have some questions.
1. I'm 178cm tall (~5'10) and 64 kg (~141 lbs) (actively losing weight right now so I'll get back to 58 kg), are there any options since even most basic fashion brands don't have tall women in mind?
2. What are some affordable options? Unfortunately I live in a place with shit currency and paying 50$+ for a blouse is bonkers to me. And I see that the vast majority of the community is against buying Chinese brands which I get it in a way, but not everyone can afford some obscure Moi-Même-Moitié piece from 2001 and that doesn't help either.
3. If the answers are negative for the first 2 questions, are there any sewing patterns or tutorials that might be useful?
If not, I'll be stuck admiring from afar in the end kek.
No. 394762
>>3947381. This is unfortunately I can't help with at all. I know there are plenty of threads and guides for buying lolita according to size. Always, always check measurements, though. And there are sometimes still trial and error purchasing.
2. You can definitely buy non-burando clothing. There's just a lot of advice not to at the beginning, as baby lolitas aren't as good at sussing out of quality, putting together a coord, etc. My very first lolita dress was taobao and it worked out well for me (still one of my favorites, even compared to my burando), but I had been into lolita for YEARS before buying anything. Not all indie brands are taobao/chinese, though. I would recommend asking gothic lolitas where they get their clothing and doing a lot of research. There may also be some trial/error in purchases.
3. Yes! Tons. Some blogs even have old Japanese lolita sewing patterns. I've seen all kinds of sewing patterns for sale on etsy, too. But there are a TON of other online guides all over. Videos, blog posts, etc.
No. 394792
>>394738Gothic lolita is more forgiving when it comes to tall women, as Gothic brands tend to have longer skirt/dress length. If the lolita silhouette isn't a must, EGA long skirts are a good alternative, plus it looks gorgeous on tall women. You can cope with long bloomers if you like the 'peeking bloomers' look. Avoid Marble, they might seem slightly less expensive than other burando but the quality is appaling. I really wish i could help with taobao but i haven't bought anything from them. I recommend checking out the 'chinese indie brand'/'indie brand' tag on lolibrary. I'd recommend western indie brands but they tend to be pricey. If you ever buy burando, you can get lucky on closetchild and shopping services. LM is alright sometimes. I haven't had to deal with customs fees when buying from closetchild so far. Like
>>394762 said, there are tons of resources for sewing, including scans of old patterns sourced from magazines, FB groups and yt channels. I really hope a more seasoned gothic lolita comes by and sees your reply kek, good luck!
No. 394847
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>>394738Ngl, your height will be somewhat of an issue, but there's ways to get around it. You should really opt for longer pieces like anons have suggested. I think some current moitie pieces could work for you, the one that ones comes to mind is the longer version of silent moon. I would also check atelier pierrots brand, idk if you would need some extra bust, but they cater to larger people really well, plus they often sell longer pieces. You don't really need to worry about older 2001 pieces btw, moitie always re-released stuff nowadays since gothic lolitas hate selling their shit and tend to have smaller wardrobes compared to everyone else. I'd also recommend that you take a look at classic brands like victoria maiden, they sell stuff that could work for your height and sometimes sell stuff that is palatable for gothic lolitas. For sewing, i think the best resource is to get the book Otome no Sewing best of, you can get it pretty cheaply on etsy, but you will need to use google translate to help you along.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/853538196/gothic-lolita-fashion-book-best?ref=yr_purchases No. 395322
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>best AP prints in my opinion
No. 395351
>>395349Dump him. Seriously dump him. Not only does he have shit taste, but he's rude and disgusting and fucking negging you already! It doesn't sound like you've been together very long and he already feels entitled to insult you and put you down and
purposely make you feel like shit? It's only going to get worse. Dump him.
No. 395375
>>395349I could imagine that scrotes would be paranoid about the attention that lolita draws when you both walk down the street too. Moids are super paranoid about what people think of them and their boring dress sense is a very high indicator of that. They can't understand the idea that sometimes it's completely futile to dress in a way that doesn't draw any attention as a woman, good or bad. Aside from that, it's one of the rare fashions where being sensual and catering to the male eye has zero bearing whatsoever. Imo, that's probably why it gets called childrens fashion so much even though little girls nowadays don't typically walk around wearing puffy dresses. Idk how anyone who actively likes lolita manages their attractions with moids. It's very freeing being able to like whatever you want without having to worry about what moids think. Also, i am very sorry about the harassment you and your friends faced, i cannot comprehend why normies get so
triggered by fashion choices that don't appeal to them. Why can't they just fucking ignore it. Most people dress like shit anyways. If your boyfriend is going to be that rude about your interests, you should break up with him. It's not even just about the fashion either, it's really immature and shows controlling behaviour that likely extends much further than japanese princess dresses.
No. 395380
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>>395369it's suffering and some days it's truly just too hot but here's what I usually do
>short sleeve OPs, those cropped chiffon blouses or a sheer bolero>ankle socks or sheer tights>cotton > poly for breathability. anything in BTSSB karami fabric is very light>hoop skirt or no pettialso I know it's technically not lolita but I love styling my more sundressy JSKs in a casual way like picrel. Especially if it has those cross-neck ties it's really cute even without a blouse
No. 395406
>>395361You're right. That anon probably doesn't even wear the fashion.
>>395369I have some baby sandals that I wear with cotton jsks without a blouse or a miniskirt with a camisole on very hot days. I'm still wearing my burando at the end of the day even if it's not lolita.
No. 395740
>>395349I'm so sorry,
nonny. Dump him, like… yesterday. Being that rude over something you like that's harmless is so cruel, and I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate it if you treated him similarly. It may just be aesthetics, but that makes it even worse. Imagine gagging when your partner shows you something they like visually. Imagine how they'll react when you're at odds over more important decisions. Your bf is tearing you down.
I have experienced exes who were clearly unnerved by lolita, although they didn't seem to care for any of my alt fashion. But none of them were ever that rude about it. That being said, you can do better than a partner who simply tolerates it. My current bf supports all of my alt fashion fascinations, including lolita. He's even bought me big name brand before. He loves seeing me in it and tries to pay attention to pieces and brands. Any good partner would do the same. They pay attention to their partner's interests, and try to engage and support them in it. A good partner loves seeing their partner wearing what they like, because they know their partner is confident, comfortable, and happy. I know it can be hard to find someone who is enthusiastic like that (without being fetishizing), but a kind, worthy bf will be happy because you're happy.
If you think it'll make a difference, you can bring it up with your bf as to why what he says is hurtful. But if you don't think it'll go anywhere, take this as a red flag and flee.
>>395369Cotton blouses and skirts. Hoop skirts, I've been told, are excellent to replace petticoats, but I've never tried them myself.
No. 396332
>>395349Dump him. From personal experience this won't end well and you'll be super resentful during and afterward that this broken chromosome stopped you from enjoying something you love. This isn't the kinda thing he'll ever come around to if he won't even have a respectful discussion about it.
Totally different topic, does anyone know if there's any sort of blogpost/site/list/database that matches up either OnS or Gosurori patterns with older brand releases? Obviously it'll never be a 1:1 thing but something close in a database format would be useful. I've been digging through miss carol belle's site but a lot of that stuff just starts to blur together.
No. 396472
>>395349>hates lolita because it's childish>likes e-girl shit that only teenagers and pedo-baiters wearAnon, you are dating a retard. You are taking all the risks of being in a relationship with a scrote and you are doing it for a retard. Think about it.
>>396400If he wants the attention then he can start dressing goth as well, what a dumbass.
No. 397452
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This OP that BTSSB just released is super cute. I would definitely get it if I wasn't still trying to save money.
No. 398731
>>398589NTA but I don't think it's out of the question that the owner could have been a particularly gross woman. I've seen plenty and a lot of them are weebs into anything from Japan, which unfortunately often includes lolita fashion
>>398593Baby has been putting out quite a few expensive OTT dresses that I don't like at all, but when they actually stick to the basics they put out some fantastic stuff. I like that they still re-release their old stuff since I'm very partial to old school lolita
No. 402305
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Baby put out a nice looking floral print. I really wanted the skirt but sadly it sold out extremely quickly.
No. 403040
I've been a long-time admirer of Lolita fashion, I really want to start wearing the clothes myself. I really like classic Lolita, sweet Lolita on the more elegant side, and country Lolita. I found a brand called Miss Point in
https://www.lolitainside.com. They are more in my price range too.
No. 403048
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>>403040janeagron@gmail.com, you don't need an e-mail to post here.
No. 403597
>>403040Hi Jane, first of all, if you're going to put your email into any chan, at least make a throwaway one. We're nice here, a lot of other places would dox you in ten minutes and fuck up your credit score before the day is over.
Secondly, avoid that site you linked like the plague. Those prices don't even cover the cost of the fabric needed to make those dresses. You're going to spend a lot of money on clothes that use stolen images to advertise. That's 100% Aliexpress crap that's falling apart at the seams before you take it out of the bag. Either save up for lolita, or learn to sew.
You don't need to buy directly from brands btw. It's common to buy secondhand in lolita. Make sure you check your measurements against the measurements of that specific piece- brands have wildly different measurements and you might be able to wear a JSK from a series but not fit into a blouse from the same series and brand. Plan your outfits carefully, buy multiple tops for each skirt and JSK to get more wear out of your pieces, take care to color match everything, and don't forget to wear petticoats that fit the skirt shape.
No. 406345
>>394043 here
they sent my dress to me and I sent the wrong order back to them, they paid shipping for everything and VAT. apparently someone had a similar order as mine in my country and that's why they confused it. I got my dress and KC and they're gorgeous, also some sticker and postcards which was cool from them.
No. 407584
>>407106I agree
nonny, I am not huge into stationary but I love stickers and postcards. I am buying a serger next month so I'll put my meta sticker on it! I'm so excited to wear lolita again.
No. 409132
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I got back into Lolita this year after a long time and I’m feeling so sad I don’t have any Lolita friends. I joined the local comm and went to a few meets but it’s not very active and to be honest full of badly dressed uggos, genderspecials and turbo autists. The online comm seems so dead now compared to years ago. Is there hope nonas ??
No. 409157
>>409152ignore that other anon, it's perfectly normal to want to be around other well-dressed women in a hobby that is entirely based on fashion like lolita is. unfortunately the majority of comms are overrun with predatory scrotes/troons and their ita handmaidens. or just mentally unhinged itas in general. both online and offline is like that. what happens is that the well-dressed women who aren't insufferable whackos will form their own friend group and stop showing up to meets which leaves only the creeps and itas behind. same as online - there are invite only discords/online comms and you have to prove that you know how to coord well and aren't a creep to get in.
you'd have to get lucky and have one of those selective "secret" or private lolita groups reach out to you assuming you post good coords and interact with other lolitas online. or keep showing up to local meets - occasionally even those smaller private local groups will go to a regular comm meet in hopes there will be a few new lolitas they can befriend who actually care about the fashion and know how to dress themselves.
No. 410477
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big btssb fan which japan store should i save up to visit?
never been to japana and got all my stuff from the second hand jp market.
No. 416292
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>>413670Don't worry too much about looking too ita in your first coord anon, as long as you take concrit and improve it's fine!
Make sure to get bangs too or else it'll be very hard for a hairstyle not to feel "off", I recommend you lookup the difference between triangle/japanese bangs vs regular western bangs.
No. 417938
>>416292Oh god I’ve been growing out straight cut bangs since March 2023 and I don’t know if I can bring myself to go back, I tend to get them like every 3 years and go through a cycle of growing them out. I do have thick & full dark hair cut in a textured lob (about collarbone length) right now so it might even look cute down or in pigtails with the right hair accessory, I’ll have to play around with it.
I just got the jsk in the mail and i am in awe of how heavy & luxurious the cotton fabric is. The built in petti is so full especially after the dress was all balled up for shipping, and the construction of the jsk is just unbelievable. The eyelet ruffles just look so… expensive and sturdy. I’m just so obsessed with this dress I finally truly get this hobby after admiring it from afar for so long!!
No. 418037
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>>417938I'm glad you love it! If you feel intimidated and afraid of ruining it by washing it badly (i sure did when I started too) remember there are many tutorials and guides online!
No. 418114
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Do you need to have your account verified in order to buy something from LaceMarket? I'm a newbie at this and I want to buy a blouse from there
No. 418143
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>>418133But… apparently I need to send them a copy of my photo ID. This is what they said in the e-mail:
>(2) Send us a copy of a photo ID with ONLY your photo and name visible (Please censor other private information like address, etc.) No. 418167
Where is everyone online nowadays?
>>418114>>410943That rule is so retarded and it never stopped the scammers and aggressive chinese resellers either. In fact, the platform got worse in general. So glad I made my acc years prior. I'm sorry you have to go through it nonnas, it sucks especially if you want to bid/buy on something that could get snatched fast.
No. 419064
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I know it's been said millions of times before by other lolitas but I'm so jealous of all the classic lolitas that built up their collection in the 2010s when good high quality classic pieces weren't so few and far between. It's the nature of the secondhand market to be a little slow, sure, but since it's been confirmed by some more experienced classic lolitas that its way more common to just sell privately to other longtime classic lolitas it feels kind of painful. I need to find my way into some actual classic-centric comms. I'm a super casual lolita so i kind of dip in and out of the community every few months (usually for broke reasons tbh), which makes connecting with other people tough.
No. 419259
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Did u guys get anything from the latest meta release? If so what did u get? I got the OP and bonnet in pink. If items from the 2nd term are still available next payday I might get the green too.
No. 419712
>>413670>2003 AP ”vintage”You sound new, go make your ita mistakes and deal with it cause that’s a learning curve.
>>419259Contemplating on accessory options for an older piece.
No. 419760
>>419712She literally said she was new and a longtime lurker in the post you’re replying to, some of you really can’t hold back
>>419064There’s still a (relative) abundance of VM on Japanese sites
No. 419874
>>419259i planned on only getting the op + bonnet in navy but i really liked the picture of misako wearing the pink jsk with the blouse so i got a full set of that one as well.
i also almost missed the release and only found out incidentally when i was checking lolibrary for something else so i'm really happy about the 2nd term.
No. 420010
>>419856Nayrt and typically people just call ~2005-2006 and earlier as old school rather than vintage, vintage isn’t used frequently but I do think the term applies too since lolita is a relatively newer style. There are pieces from the 80s and 90s by defunct or older brands that people would agree on being described as vintage but mid late 90s and older are usually the only pieces that resemble modern lolita. Also old school can still be used to describe modern releases in the same style, but people specify it’s just the style.
Outside of lolita I’ve seen people on social media freak out at anyone describing anything made after the 80s as vintage so it’s probably the same line of thinking where it freaks them out.
No. 420149
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deliberated too long on buying a blouse on mercari and the seller deleted the listing im kms
No. 420242
>>419885kek did this prompt
>>>/ot/2111733 ?
>>420149Do you still have the link of the seller? You could ask your SS to contact them about it, I had success with that before.
No. 421411
>>418143>>418186Dystopian. I don't know why LM admins are info gathering. If I were a newbie I wouldn't use the platform tbh. We have no idea who admins are but users have to identify themselves??
I've heard they claim to delete it after but it's obviously not true. The point of sending is so they can compare it to other accounts to deny access like in the case of scammers. How can they do that if the info you sent is deleted? People believe anything
No. 422669
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The last couple of months I just kind of completely gave up. I'm too much of a pussy to even step outside my door while dressed up. I thought it would become easier once I moved to a big city because in my hometown everybody knowns everyone and trashtalks your entire family but I'm still scared of anybody seeing me. What if my neighbor tells my landlord that I'm a weirdo? People are noisy like that. And if anybody from work catches me, I'm dead.
Like others upthread already said, it feels like there's hardly anybody left online. At least for chatting, everybody is only selling everything. And the comm in my new city…even if I wasn't scared of being seen I wouldn't want to go because everybody looks so terrible and seems to always bring their moids and kids.
>>394738Super late, but I have the same body and it always makes me sad when people suggest we should go for ega/something long and mature instead, that's not what I started liking lolita for… I think if you're decently slim (which you are) it doesn't look that terrible if skirts are short on you, it sometimes even reminds me of the short on purpose 90s/early 00s coords. I think choosing a jsk instead of something with sleeves will also give you more leeway on how high they waist is. The "models" in recent non-japanese shows only look so bad because they're too fat (or straight up men), we don't even know how tall they are. Plus dressing in all pink, garish frills and tons of bows including socks of course will make you look more like a stuffed sausage with lots of leg than something more elegant/black.
Mana might not be a big man but he nevertheless towers over most japanese women and yet he can still wear anything because he's slender. Years ago there was a popular dutch lolita who was even taller (and turned out to be a scammer) but nobody cared about her thighs showing because she was skinny and styled herself well.
>>416292>Make sure to get bangsBangs aren't for everyone, many whites simply have too big noses for that. Old school VM often used foreign bangless girls and gave them various hairstyles (obviously on a gorgeous russian model but nevertheless…)
No. 424370
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old lolita history article from the rococo magazine, iirc it also implies some stuff about the name but maybe the google translation might be wrong
No. 424372
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3/4
almost
No. 424381
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>>424370sameanon this is what i mean it says not only, this from a 2004 lolita magazine
No. 424434
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>>422669 >Mana towering higher than most Japanese women Mana literally wears 5 inch platforms and is about 160cm tall. I'm sorry, but you're coping here. You're just not going to look right if you're over a certain height and weight in this fashion unless you focus on things that fit or get them tailored.
>>419259 Yes, Meta ran me out of cash this time around. Though I can't wait to see these new old school itas in the exact same copycat coords.
No. 424441
>>424434His female employees wear the same high shoes as him. The main point is that being skinny (and younglooking too) is far more important. So many western lolitas feel superior and brag about being as uwu short or shorter than japanese lolitas and therefore being able to wear anything when in reality they have a body like a yoga ball which also looks tragic, especially if it's all pink.
I already said that I basically quit, so don't worry about me running around hurting your eyes, I just wanted to encourage anon to wear what she wants. Chances are high that you also look like an old frilly armchair in what you bought.
No. 428077
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sorry but wtf is baby thinking with this release its so ugly
the shape the pattern the design of the sleeves the massive black seam, yuck
No. 430441
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Just bought my first lolita dress. I'd wanted a lolita dress since I was a little baby weeaboo, but I'm a westerner with breasts and thus a landwhale by Japanese standards. Never bothered to actually do research so I only found out about Metamorphose yesterday just in time for this one. I'm not sure when I'll wear it tho, maybe I'll snap one day and go grocery shopping in it lmao. I still need to get a blouse, headdress, wig (my hair is a short mess) and a few other accessories, but I'm really looking forward to it.
No. 434392
>>424381Most lolitas will deny the name comes from the novel, but it's true it does. It doesn't mean Japan interpreted the book the same way. Even to this day they love that thing and you'll see some Japanese lolitas posting about it.
>>430441Welcome, you have lovely taste! Wear it everywhere and nowhere, you don't need an occasion to enjoy it.
No. 435662
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Axes Femme has been venturing into lolita a bit and a lot of their prints are kind of cute, such as their latest Rosy Bear series, but the quality is so apparently bad even through the computer screen that I'm loathe to buy it. Why are the buttons and bow not centered along with the print? Sure, it may be centered on the bodice itself, but take the time to line the print up and center it so it doesn't look so lopsided! The OP at least doesn't have this problem, but instead the underside of the frills is just plain white. I understand that their price is much cheaper than "burando" so you get what you pay for and all, but I wish they could have just done it right, especially since it is a cute print. What a shame!
No. 435693
>>435668I'm happy for you finding your dream dress
nonny. Sell the stuff you don't want and focus on buying things that will work with this dress and a few other similar main pieces. Maybe have a look through the cgl archives at the old capsule wardrobe threads for inspo. Not saying you necessarily have to buy a whole capsule wardrobe, but even if you only have your 3 main pieces they might give you an idea of different interchangeable things you can wear with them. If you don't wear lolita super often it's nice to have a curated selection of stuff you actually really love rather than a bunch of filler pieces that will just take up space.
No. 435709
>>435693Thank you,
nonnie!
>it's nice to have a curated selection of stuff you actually really love rather than a bunch of filler pieces that will just take up space.That's exactly what I've been thinking. I'd rather wear the hell out of a few main pieces I love than settle for (albeit nice) ones that just don't hit.
I now realize some of my dresses and accessories I only bought because I considered them to be staples.
No. 436886
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I bought my first moitie dress recently! I'm so excited for it to come. While I'm fine with the other colors, I've wanted my first to be black and blue.
No. 438310
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do you anons think the old school popularity will ever wane like 2010's sweet hype did? obviously older = rarer and it'll never be cheap again. but I've been into lolita long enough to remember when "maxi pad" headdresses or black x white coords were considered ita staples and old meta was relentlessly mocked. watching the prices soar over the years has been interesting. I hate that I was a poorfag teenager back then, wish I could've bought more.
>>438053if it's something that can be fixed with alterations, do it. I don't think there's any harm in holding onto a dress just for sentimental reasons though. I have a dream dress I rarely wear because I'm too tall, which makes the skirt unflatteringly short and the waist hits higher than I'd like. love seeing the dress on other lolitas but not on me kek. if I ever find a really good tailor experienced with lolita I'll have it turned into a skirt and matching headdress
No. 438325
>>436886Congratulations!!! Some of the current moitie stuff is still pretty good thankfully, that dress in the pic you posted is cute and a classic piece.
>>438053I'd be concerned about the level of altering it would require and if the tailor would do a good job. I feel like i've gotten good at avoiding unflattering cuts thanks to trial and era and seeing feedback from other lolitas who have a similar body type to me.
>>438310I think one of the appeals of old school lolita is the wearability and for that, idk if it will fade into irrelevance like 2010s sweet did. I do think that the notion of wxb being ita was heavily tainted by all the horrific cheap lolita dresses from milanoo, sissy dresses and awful raschel lace. Nowadays most of the ita cheap lolita dresses are usually mimicking the 2010s sweet aesthetic ironically, they are popular with people who like the lolita aesthetic but don't have any real connection to the larger community or interest in it.
No. 439332
LM is down again with a weird error..
>>438310If we'll ever get the cheap days back, it will be due to even worse global financial crashes and by then, sane people will probably have higher priorities than buying lolita kek.
No. 441438
>>441290I know nu-moitie has a bad reputation, but i still recommend the re-releases. Also, Atelier boz shut down, but the designer made a new store with the same exact pieces under the brand alpstola.
>alpstola.theshop.jpVictorian Maiden is now owned by wunderwelt as is moitie. I'd check atelier pierrot since they have some gothic pieces made by lesser known brands that are cute, as well as sometimes releasing some cute things under their own brand.
>>441151Most of those people who like goth probably don't want to invest in an expensive style with strict rules. My favourite thing about gothic lolita has always been that it doesn't have a hyperfocus on makeup the way general goth styles do to carry the look and plus i am not very creative when it comes to clothes, i like being cookie cutter.
>>441299The second hand market for bpn, h.naoto and putomayo was fucked up long before tiktok due to how limited the pieces were becoming years since they went out of business or for h.naoto's case, stopped focusing on lolita. I've always been super pissed at them for that.
No. 441472
>>441446same, nona.
this was years ago but I sent my SS a Maxicmam tote and I remember getting like two child's headbands clearly from the toddler section and ??? an empty 'perfume' shaped bottle in a shoe box. I'd have more faith in a lottery ticket and it would cost less.
No. 443555
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Can’t stop thinking about the AATP x rozen maiden dress
I will own this dress
Whatever it takes it will be mine
No. 444246
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>>444226I think lolita just naturally attracts insane women due to how extravagant it is. You really have to either love the attention or give zero fucks in order to wear it and obviously you get a ton of people who are unhinged and don't care for social norms. I'd say that i wish we could have out own discord for lolita stuff here, but it's not like anons here have a reputation for being sane either lmao. Idk, what the solution is tbh.
No. 445298
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what is your lolita regret?
when i was younger and in my hyper sweet lolita phase, i was obsessively looking for some of the sweeter Emily Temple Cute pieces. i bought a plain op on a whim just because it was ETC and it fit me perfectly, but didn't suit my style so i sold it. i regret selling that dress so badly, it ended up being my exact style later on. I hate myself to falling for the Angelic Pretty sickly sweet hype.
no picture of the dress included because i can't even find the old pictures of it, i still love ETC
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>>445298I'd be sobbing and throwing up is i sold this. I think my regret is buying that taobao paper doll dress that a lot of gothic lolitas were wearing a while back. It looks cute in pics, but the dress being $60 should have been the warning sign that it was going to be shit. And low and behold it was shit. Borderline party city crap. The print on the dress was blurry and you could tell that the dress itself was not going to hold up on the wash because it was one of those fabrics that was white on one side and coloured on the outer side. I am more so disappointed than regretful tbh because the concept of the dress was 10/10, it's just the execution that left much to be desired. At least it sold on lace market fast.
No. 445654
>>443555The print really surprised me with how good it is. I love it a lot but I'm a bit disappointed in the cut. I wish they had picked anything else than a long skirt with an unremovable plain blouse. I know they've done cuts like this in the past but something like one of the koitsukihime cuts would've been so much better.
>>445463This is my main regret too. It took me a while to develop an eye for quality and after I got multiple brand pieces it was such a drag to sell almost all of my taobao things. Some lolitas in my comm have been wearing lolita for about 10 years and yet they still mostly wear taobao/bodyline. It makes me wonder why they're not interested in switching to something better. On a smaller scale I also regret only buying the cheapest 2nd hand brand main pieces at first. The quality was great but after a while I still didn't have any of my actual wish list items and 10+ meh to cute dresses instead. Prioritizing only buying things I really love instead of things that are just a good deal and kind of cute improved my wardrobe a lot.
No. 445684
>>445298Passing up a $80 old school op that was rotting on lm for ages because I was bigger at the time and it wouldn't fit. Haven't seen it for sale since but it would definitely go for more. Also seconding starting with taobao. Ordered a massive haul of super sweet stuff only to have my style take a 180 and selling it all…
I somehow still made a small profit though I really don't like the aesthetic tastes of Chinese lolita at all tbh it's too over designed
No. 445806
>>445787I theorize it happened around the pandemic when alternative fashion became mainstream and "gatekeeping" the fashion from shitty cheap quick fashion brands was considered classism or some other dumb shit.
That is to say not all taobao brands are bad, and some brando quality has gone downhill after they started switching to polyester fabrics, however theres no denying that taobao is a very vague term, and could apply to the very same manufacturers that produce cheap sweatshop fast fashion found in sites like shien or amazon.
No. 445839
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>>445787Idk I've seen taobao and bodyline be acceptable lolita even back when I got into lolita in 2009. That said, it had to still follow some basic guidelines.
Modern clolita looks like costumes and that is the "lolita" most normies and zoomers have in mind. I hate that this stuff gets called lolita and accepted in the community now, and that IS a post pandemic thing, plus influenced by people like lovelylor saying fuck the rules and go buy from DevilInspired. The most popular "lolita" account on Xitter with the mainstream is MyLolitaDress and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about, sure ita stuff has always existed but at least back then it tried to look like lolita (lacemonsters, black and white, maxipad headdresses). Now it straight up looks like random stage costumes
No. 445841
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>>445839>Now it straight up looks like random stage costumesexactly this. the fun part about lolita dresses, regardless if theyre OPs or JSKs, is their flexibility to coordinate into multiple outfits. With these costume-esque dresses, theyre made with a set coordinate in mind (usually comes with matching accessories + shoes) so theres no freedom in matching and altering the dress with other pieces. It takes out a lot of the fun from lolita, and it makes it more like a cosplay kit which is a big antithesis for lolita fashion
No. 445906
>>445895Exactly. I'm grateful my comm keeps out the sissy fetishists and we have no males bothering us, but we still have a bunch of tifs and thembies, plus the normal women are all loudly anti-
terf so I never feel fully safe knowing I'd be kicked out instantly if they knew my views despite being part of the comm for a decade.
No. 446251
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>>445839>black and white, maxipad headdressesI love these things though…black x white isn't automatically bad.
I don't like taobao lolita stuff but to be fair a lot of brands trying to pander to the Chinese market put out stuff like this nowadays (especially those hideous wedding dresses by BABY)
I just miss when hime was more lolita+himegyaru as opposed to obnoxious costumes with too much shit on them.
No. 447026
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Should I give up Lolita/jfashion if I'm over 170 cm? It's beginning to feel like a lost cause. I pretty much only want to wear old school.
No. 447086
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>>446251Well I was talking more about how ita back then looked more like this, whereas ita now doesn't even look lolita inspired. Like a lot of taobao dresses that everyone tags as lolita, I wouldn't even be able to tell they're attempting lolita without the tag
No. 447240
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I haven't worn gothic in a long while. I need some honest concrit. Are Keras still in? Or are they out of style?
No. 447306
>>447026it's possible but good luck, old school is definitely the most challenging style for us tall lolitas imo. Personally I hate peeking bloomers and just let my skirts be short, OTKs can help feel less "exposed". High waist cuts are the devil though it depends- BTSSB babydoll is flattering and cute on me but I've gotten some really badly fitting pieces too. I feel like it's the combination of too short + high waisted that can look really bad.
>>447138>33' bust>fatshort girls have it so easy what the fuck
>>447240I feel like for a while they were super oversaturated and they became the stereotypical old school shoe, so they do feel a bit outdated. I feel like I don't see them as often. But since lolita trends don't matter in the same way as normie fashion they're not necessarily bad or anything. Wear what you want
No. 447421
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>>447343>>447306>>447295>>447246I was planning to wear it with my moitie jsk. I can see that Keras are a bit overrated now, they're popular with the egirl/ new goth crowd. I also have some black mary jane pumps, which might be better for the coord
No. 447422
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>>447343platforms are an old school staple though, i think it could work for a gothic coord. there are worse ita shoes out there anyways like koi footwear or generic ballet flats
No. 447431
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>>447421yeah it wouldn't necessarily be ita to wear the demonias but pumps would be a better match imo. My keras has been sitting in my closet gathering dust for a while because I'm just not a fan of the platform shape for some reason? it always feels like the proportions don't really work with lolita. I do still wear my crux 07s a lot. they've still got the cute round toe and I like the flower/scalloped detailing. much comfier too
No. 447685
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I hate decorative corsets so damn much, especially when they're plastered on the front of a dress. To me, it takes an otherwise cute design and makes it look like cheap hottopic-tier trash. I hope this design choice dies out.
No. 447690
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>>447431Those are a cute shoe. They have a classic look and look so comfortable for walking.
>>447240>>447421You might also want to take a look at the gothika-09. I think they're a better match for the jsk.
No. 447844
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When ordering from Japan via proxy, they always sent my package straight to the customs office if it contained a handbag and notified me through e-mail that they're required to do that.
I'm about to order an expensive dress and wanted to get a headdress to go with it, does it qualify as an item that they're required to notify the customs office about?
The headdress is cheap, I don't want to spend a fortune on customs just because of a hair accessory.
No. 447947
Where do you get your shoes? I'm seeing some on Milanoo, 42lolita and Lolitain, but can I trust them? (I know Milanoo was the peak of ita back in the day and before I got into lolita)
Obviously I want something good quality and long lasting.
>>447093 What cuts and brands do you wear? I have the same issue with bust size.
No. 447999
>>447138You aren't fat just slightly chubby if anything. You would fit a japanese large size. If you lose 10lbs you will fit into anything you have good proportions nonna be proud.
>>447240Tiktokfags from 2020 ruined them for me go for
>>447690 instead. Demonias have gone down in quality anyway.
No. 448810
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International Lolita Day is tomorrow. What are your plans?
No. 448989
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>>448810I think after years of being mostly a lifestyle lolita, I just don't celebrate ILD anymore. Everyday is already lolita day (and I love it)! ILD itself almost feels like a relic of the livejournal days, a blog prompt more than a holiday. The last ILD meetup I attended was a winter one 2 years ago now, and I only went because the meetup activity sounded fun (which it was). I've transitioned more to being mostly a lonelita, so I had quite forgotten that ILD was upon us already with no one to remind me. It looks like one of the comms in my area is holding a swap-meet for it; likely it will be the same people offering the same wares as the last few swap-meets, so I've no interest in attending. As for my plans today, I am meeting up with some (non-lolita) friends at a cafe to discuss music we like/the local scene. Not sure yet what I'll wear, but I might take the opportunity to wear Christmas/Wintery prints while the season is upon us.
No. 449750
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RPA prints always look off to me. These cats are creepy.
No. 451191
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>>448810My comm had a meet at an iceskating ring in our area. I loved that it was decorated for the holiday season, too. Overall, I had a great time. And I also found out that another member is a fellow fujosister kek.
No. 451467
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>>451290Read that sentence again, but slowly then maybe you will get the point
>>451443Go back to 4chan
No. 451634
>>451467This is a patten of a brand design, dumbass. Good job proving me right, you couldn't even remember your own argument.
The problem with modern western lolita is that they don't care about supporting the brands that built the fashion. This is why cheap taobao shit is all over the place and why actual brands are closing shops and disappearing.
No. 452896
>>452481Start with a smaller project like a skirt rather than jumping straight to a dress. I usually see petticoat get tossed around as a starter project, but unless there's a specific type you want (e.g. I just finished a cotton/flannel reversible one for colder weather) it's now become so cheap to buy a reliable one with decent materials that it's harder to justify making your own given how much startup costs are for sewing projects.
Depending on where you are, some libraries offer lending programs for sewing machines, or sometimes craft studios have open studio hours for access to their machines for a couple of hours at a time. I've also taken community college classes in fashion and got some of my personal sewing done whenever there was downtime or open lab hours - mine had industrial straight stitch machines along with sergers, which is all you really need.
No. 453813
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>tfw genuinely nostalgic for 2000s ita because those were the girls i would feel jealous of as a kid when i didn't know any better
The cheap shiny satin, the raschel lace, smudged pencil eyeliner with no other makeup, the greasy bangs, the Demonias, the fishnets, the random plushies, the occasional neon wig from a local costume store…
No. 456158
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What's up with western "lolitas" and putting on the most god awful 50 pounds of makeup on Earth
No. 456399
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Anyone remember when the Amuse Alpacassos were big amongst lolitas? I regret selling my collection, they were such cute plushes! The sad part is that they aren't made anymore. I wanted to start collecting again, but unfortunately my only route will have to be hunting for resellers on ebay of mercari.
No. 457015
>>456554I love that animation! Thank you
nonnie, it's so nostalgic~
I've seen some cute coords with the alpacasso too. I've even seen alpacasso used for to make little bags. If I can get multi of one kind, I'd like to try that.
No. 457225
>>457019Thanks for the tip,
nonnie! I'll keep a look out to see when Amuse puts anything out. I've been searching some websites and I found some left over stock, but they're mostly the minis. I'll be happy to get my hands on a mid-or large sized plushes
No. 457986
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I'm assuming that most of this thread aren't apart of a comm/are lonelita. My question is were you always solo or did you have a breaking point where you wanted to leave your comm to be alone?
No. 458296
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>>457986I actually joined a comm as soon as I started wearing lolita. It's full of drama, which made interacting with them stressful. Just constantly on edge and scared of saying the wrong thing, or dressing poorly, and getting shit talked online or posted to /cgl/. I still go to the big public meets occasionally to meet new people but yeah, there's men and people who don't know how to dress. I feel embarrassed to be around them which ultimately made me stop trying to be an active member as soon as I left my "newbie" stage. Plus most of the comm is into chinese brands only… it feels like I wear a different fashion from them, and we don't really have anything in common outside of lolita either. 90% of time I'm wearing lolita by myself or when hanging out with normie friends.
having a lolita bff to twin with is a dream of mine though. maybe someday…>>458022it sucks but I really recommend joining the comm, at least temporarily. I had the same fears as you but after going to a few meets, I got invites to smaller, private groups that are much more chill. There's probably a few well-dressed lolitas in your city you just have to find them and maybe suffer through a couple meets with trannies
No. 458591
>>457986My situation is similar to
>>458166where I’m still technically in the group but I don’t attend meets anymore. I still post coord pics and occasionally buy or sell stuff so they haven’t kicked me out, but I’m at a point where I haven’t even met most of the regular posters in the comm discord. And, considering they’re overwhelmingly gendies who introduce themselves by posting their laundry list of self-diagnosed disorders and usually own one or two (godawful) Taobao dresses at most, I don’t really feel like I’m missing out.
I stopped attending meet-ups when I realised that 1) I didn’t actually enjoy them and they felt more like an obligation and 2) I was deeply embarrassed to be seen with my comm and spent every meet praying that I wouldn’t run into anyone I knew. Not just because they looked bad (though most of them did) but because of the way they behaved. One time I ran into a couple of coworkers during a meet and they were completely bewildered to see me with my comm. They genuinely could not wrap their minds around the idea that I would willingly socialise with these people and came up with the explanation that I must have been volunteering with some kind of organisation that arranges outings for intellectually disabled adults. I began to ask myself what I even have in common with 99,9% of my comm, considering that the way we dress is barely even recognisable as the same fashion, and came to the conclusion that there was no reason for me to continue attending meet-ups.
It was a good move for my wardrobe, too. Once there was no pressure to fit in with the rest of the comm and to dress ‘lolita enough’ it was easier to focus on clothes I genuinely liked and wanted to wear, even if they wouldn’t impress most other lolitas. My taste is very toned down classic and gothic with a hint of aristocrat whereas my comm is almost entirely sweet, so I always felt very underdressed and often people didn’t even recognise my coords as lolita. I started putting together more costumey coords just so people at meet-ups would stop asking me “who I was there with” (“you’re not wearing anything I recognise as lolita so the only reason you’d have for being at a lolita meet-up would be to accompany an actual lolita, right?”). As a result I ended up with a bunch of coords I would only ever wear to meet-ups, which made me feel more obligated to attend meet-ups I didn’t truly enjoy and that became a weird vicious circle. Now I only buy clothes and accessories for myself and I’m much happier that way. It’s actually kind of funny to see the reactions I get when I post coord pics in the comm discord; the majority of regulars scroll past without comment but it brings a bunch of other gothic and classic girls out of the woodwork who never really post otherwise.
No. 460961
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>>459853>>458591 I couldn't agree more with you both. Somehow ott just became the norm, leading most to think they look good just throwing anything and everything on. I've always preferred when the fashion was more minimalistic.
No. 461515
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I've finally managed to get my hands on my dream dress, but the shipping is taking 3 weeks and counting instead of the estimated 1-2 with no updates whatsoever. My orders from Japan have always been on time and I'm assuming EMS is just having delays because of the holidays. It's probably nothing out of the ordinary, but the anticipation is slowly scratching away at me kek. If anyone's in the same boat, I hope we get our packages soon!
No. 463881
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I just accidentally made the stains on my wire headbow worse. I know the metal inside rusts if you get it wet, staining the fabric but this happens even without getting it wet over time. I guess I should have taken out the wire before washing the headbow but having to take it out every time I need to wash it sounds like such a pain.
No. 465046
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Newlita here, about brand tea parties, do you have to wear a full brand coordinate or is it fine to go with just a brand main piece and some brand accessories? Does it vary brand by brand?
No. 465803
>>465046Depends on the brand and event. Sign-up information usually mentions what the dress code is. I've attended a BtSSB tea party and the main piece had to be either Baby or AatP.
I think a good usual guideline of what to expect is main piece (dress or skirt) from the brand, no notable competitor brand prints/logos on accessories, and no replicas.
I'm under the impression that events in Japan can require head to toe in hosting brand, but overseas is slightly more relaxed just because of availability.
No. 469368
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I wish lolita comms didn't still use Facebook. It's difficult to get involved with community events in my state unless you have a FB account. Lolitas will also be suspicious of you if you don't. It's genuinely one of the worst social media platforms, I value my privacy too much. Even getting verified on LM requires either a FB or for you to email their support a picture of your government ID which is so retarded. At this point I'll just consider myself filtered and stick to being a lonelita. Sorry for the spergchan rant
No. 469618
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>>468964That really sucks nona. My comm keeps inviting man after disgusting man. I don't go to meets anymore for that reason. Being in public with itas is hard enough, but I refuse to be around men in drag. It's nice to have lolita friends, but I hope you don't feel like you need validation in order to wear your own clothes. Let's start our own comms with no men allowed!
No. 472491
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>>447947These two questions are still relevant btw. Any advice on good places to find good quality shoes, and brands that can fit someone busty?
No. 472689
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I've been thinking the past few days about how the concept of "lifestyle lolita" used to be more prominent in the community. We would share lists of hobbies to try and books/media in livejournal communities. Most people in the comm would have read the same books from livejournal lists, or would have watched the same classic ballets and operas, and we would then discuss those together at meet ups. My comm used to even meet to go watch ballets or see art exhibits together, but post-pandemic it seems no one is interested in that; the demographics have shifted immensely. The emphasis on lifestyle lolita created a mini-subculture that supplemented the fashion, where we had shared hobbies and media. Nowadays, lolita is more seen as the fashion only and everyone has different behaviors, interests, and even different expectations of basic etiquette.
I had been in a similar situation as
>>458591 where I began asking myself why I continued to socialize with these people. When I went to meetups, most of the attendees were discussing their various mental illnesses and gender identities, or worse, loudly discussing drugs or sexual encounters they've had, even in restaurants where small children were eating with their families close by. It made me so uncomfortable with worry the entire time that we'd face confrontation or even get banned from the restaurant. I never had a coworker show up, but I also wouldn't want anyone from my professional life to encounter me around such people, so I've stopped attending meet ups. So far, being a full-on lonelita has been a much more relaxing experience for me, but I'm nostalgic for how the my local comm used to be in the pre-pandemic/pre-tiktok years.
No. 472842
>>472491oh no nona, I thought that was bait. All of the sites you've mentioned are overpriced taobao resellers or scams. I've heard 42lolita is decent but you can get the same things for less by using a shopping service like superbuy. Some good quality taobao shoe shops, iirc the last two have real leather options-
>pure tea for dreammy favorite. my comfiest heels are from here, they've gotten a ton of wear but still in perfect shape. tempted to repurchase in every color tbh
>modo haven't tried them myself but I've heard they're good. mainly sweet wood-style sole platforms
>angelic imprintlots of cool boots, sweet and gothic-leaning shoes
>antainasecond favorite, everything from tea parties to chunky old school platforms. an insane amount of options. They also make custom shoes/colors
>sentaromostly classic, high quality and leather
Almost any brand has released pieces that can fit a large bust. It's more about looking for what has shirring and avoiding silhouettes that don't fit well, like empire waists/sack cuts. If you're under ~110cm bust, then most pieces with full back shirring should fit. And above that there's options like btssb shirring princess, atelier pierrot blouse/skirt coords or wirehead. try searching in the "full shirring" and "back shirring" tags on lolibrary to get some ideas. Maxicimam makes cute blouses that are specifically cut for busty lolitas. Atelier Pierrot and Metamorphose both have plus-sizes that go up to ~150cm bust. The options on taobao are infinite and I'm pretty sure there's some stores that do custom sizing, but I don't buy anything but shoes from there so can't help with that
No. 473993
>>472689>>472808>>473824I feel all of these posts. Is it just me, or is this an issue with classical lolita specifically, too? Gothic lolitas can just fall back on the goth subculture for activities/events/topics of conversation, sweet lolitas have plenty marketed to them in the way of 'kawaii' culture (which is what people predominantly associate J-fashion with anyways), but classic lolitas usually like to do higher-end activities that also require a certain level of maturity.
Honestly I know people gave lifestyle lolitas a lot of shit once for being 'cringe' but that was part of the appeal of the whole fashion for me, and it surprises me that seems to have fallen off as hard as it has. Not that I believe 'lolitas should all be lovelies!!1!' but I think we could aim higher than 'all that matters is you show up in a dress'.
i used to think gatekeeping was 'mean' but tbh in my old age i now see it as a necessary evil.
No. 474103
>>473824I feel you
nonny. My comm isn't fully sweet but talking about the fashion kinda hits a dead end if you primarily wear classic. I also do and it feels like a bummer to always be lamenting the dry state of the market or brands closing, which is pretty much all there is to talk about. At least sweets have a new print to talk about every week.
>>473993I think you're spot on. State of classic aside, I think classic lolitas have struggled to carve out their niche within the subculture. We're like the forgotten middle child. Like you said, gothics have goth and sweets have generic kawaii and weeb stuff already baked in, but we don't have anything like that and brands aren't exactly putting out much to talk about.
>classic lolitas usually like to do higher-end activities that also require a certain level of maturity. I think a lot of what would've been classic specific hobbies got branded as 'lifestyle lolita' but they were mostly classic leaning and didn't appeal to everyone. Obviously classic is still a type of alternative fashion, but a lot of the associated hobbies are things that are considered more conservative, snobby or grandma-ish. Lists of 'lifestyle lolita ideas' on lj were meant to just be fun prompts or ideas of things to do. But it got misinterpreted as this holy grail list of things you must do order to be a 'real' lolita, so many rebelled against it and called it cringe. Then came the pushback of "it's just clothes, I can do whatever I want" or "I don't have to be ladylike". That devolved into lolitas showing up to meets being rude and looking unkempt at best, and gross men with beards throwing on cheap taobao and calling themselves one of us at worst. We lost the plot so badly.
No. 474167
>>473993I feel like classic lolitas could hang out with old schoolers but those aren't exactly known for being the most sane and pleasant people to be around kek. I would hang out with you though
nonny, I can act decent despite wearing os.
No. 474362
>>473993>>474103As a classic lolita myself, with other classic lolita friends, I find these posts slightly misleading. I definitely understand the want and need for more mature meets, especially if you are older and of a different tax bracket (lol), but like 90% of my classic friends are into the same shit as any other lolita: video games, anime, fanfic, j-pop, k-pop, oshikatsu, etc. I don't believe there are substyle-specific hobbies when people are much more well-rounded than that.
No. 475025
>>474817they certainly do when they select models for the shows in the USA. They clearly don't gaf when it's for their main audience in Japan.
on the topic of their upcoming lineup, i really hope giant hoop skirts don't become a thing. the ones in the AATP show circa 10:14 don't even look like they'd fit through doors. who even sells petticoats like that?
No. 475244
>>474103It's so sad that we've ended up in the state we're in. I think the switch to the "it's just clothes" mindset and away from lifestyle elements really accelerated the consoomer vibes in the community too, where now, like other hobbies in the age of social media, whoever has the most dresses is seen as the most lolita of all unfortunately.
>>474362I suppose a majority of my comm does oshikatsu for Chappel Roan, but mostly they watch Disney movies and engage in recreational gender/polycules.
>>475025Weren't the NYFW models provided to BTSSB by the agency that sponsored it? I was under the impression Baby didn't get to choose.
No. 475292
>>475025As
>>475244 noted, please stop spreading misinformation. They didn't get to choose the models.
>giant hoop skirtsAre you new to lolita fashion shows? The majority of these shows have OTT wigs/accessories and hoop skirts.
No. 475502
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Since no one brought it up yet, what are our thoughts on the Sanrio x AP items revealed at the fashion show? I was excited for the Hello Kitty set rerelease, but 90k yen is ridiculously high, even accounting for inflation and the weak yen.
No. 475546
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I can't imagine the new lolita socmed hosted on pixelfed will last considering that brands aren't posting on it and users can't even repost/share brand photos to discuss new releases. Plus, I think most people are burned out on constantly migrating the community and making new accounts.
No. 475707
>>475661I am unfortunately a Moitiefag and especially an old Moitie enjoyer, so I definitely do understand the FOMO. I think social media also drives the whole "I need a whole new coord in every post" phenomenon, which really bugs me. TikTok won't implode if you rewear a dress.
My goal for this year is to sort of do a "nest egg" thing as opposed to the monthly budget I've been doing the past few years, so I have money saved up for a bigger purchase if one of my wishlist items comes up. The scalpers won't beat me this time.
No. 475728
>>475622>>475655I find the joking and normalisation of being bad with money so weird. I don't care what my comm members do with their money, they're grown adults and it's their funeral. But it does feel like an echo chamber sometimes. I do notice myself and others being influenced. It's hard when the people who are the most respected and influential in comms are usually the ones with the largest wardrobes. I have to distance myself and remember that my priorities are different to theirs.
>I used to feel left out because my wardrobe is small and slow-growing, while a lot of my comm members buy a ton and cheer on each others' overspending. But after seeing the addict-like behavior, constantly setting and breaking "no-buys", weekly new purchases but struggling financially, I don't feel so bad.It's good to remind yourself of the reality of it. A lot of the lolitas I know who have large (100+ main pieces) wardrobes also don't really have anything else going on in their lives, which I find sad. All they do is work and then spend their entire paycheck on lolita. They don't have other hobbies and miss out on experiences because they'd rather buy another dress that might see the light of day once or twice. That might work for them but it's not the life I want. I personally think it's better to have 10 main pieces and love every single one than 100 that you just have because of FOMO or impulse buys that you don't even care about once the moment has passed.
No. 475849
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society if the scalpers on fril and mercari would finally take their meds
No. 476016
>>474167I’ve always gotten on best with oldschoolers but that was before the big oldschool boom that attracted all the crazies, and now the sane oldschoolers have disappeared from the local comm just like the classics have. I wish I’d kept in contact.
>>475728>It's good to remind yourself of the reality of it. A lot of the lolitas I know who have large (100+ main pieces) wardrobes also don't really have anything else going on in their lives, which I find sad. All they do is work and then spend their entire paycheck on lolita.This is true in my experience. Sure there are probably some lolitas who have a really high income and spend a lot on their wardrobe in addition to having a life, but the people I know with big/coveted wardrobes are exactly like you said. I used to think this was fine because they’re adults, it’s their money and they can live their life as they want if it makes them happy, but after all these years in the community I’ve become pretty disillusioned with the idea. Sometimes these people do quit lolita and it’s like they have to invent an entirely new identity for themselves because lolita was their whole life up until that point. A few prominent members of my local comm are pushing 40 and still have nothing going on in their lives except lolita even while all their non-lolita friends are buying homes, travelling, advancing their careers, trying out different hobbies, starting families, etc. They say they’re happy like this but they’re always stressing out about how to get their hands on the latest trendy item and about social media stats, and some of them edit their coord pics so much they look like different people. A few have broken up with partners over it. One still lives with her parents, who she complains about constantly, because she doesn’t want to ‘waste’ money on getting her own place even in a relatively low cost of living part of the country. They really don’t seem happy at all.
No. 478329
>>478259Interestingly I've heard the opposite argument too, which is that old school is a fad BECAUSE the economy is bad, or at least it started that way. The argument is that old school became popular because it (was) relatively affordable and involves simplistic pieces you can coord in multiple ways. I think that point has been made moot by the social media pissing contests of it all, where I see girls constantly buying pieces that I know cost $500+, but if they're willing to go into debt for the Metamorphose floral set I guess that's on them.
I just want Cornet to be $40 again, like come on I KNOW the majority of post-2020 lolitas didn't care about this brand until old school became a trend. I'm tired of fighting zoomers for JSKs!
No. 478346
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How long do you try to sell an item before donating it to the local charity shop? Are there some items that you send straight to charity and don't even bother listing on lacemarket? I generally don't list boots/shoes on lacemarket because the shipping effort won't be worth it to me. A lot of times I'll send dresses and blouses to the local shop after listing it once or a month, and then if it doesn't sell for another month. If it hasn't sold after 2 months, it goes. If it's a non-lolita brand like Axes Femme or Amavel, I send it straight to the charity shop though. Kei-Market seems like a complete waste of time to me.
No. 478451
>>449750I dont know nonna, they're very sweet to me. I prefer the creepy cute semirealistic cats than overly cutesy cartoonish cats in prints.
>>447240Solid black platforms are classic for gothic lolita. Especically when paired with knee highs with expensive lace.
>>419259Such a gorgeous print, but the front corseting is so ugly. The only other designchoice that would've beaten it in hideousness would've been adding huge, slouchy bow. Front corseting makes most dresses look like sexualized drindls or gothic e-girl dresses from Shein. Really wish this designchoice would go out of fashion once and for all.
>>478346Try selling it on depop, Vinted or other easily accessible online second hand shops first! That way it could end up selling to someone who likes the piece, but isn't necessarily familiar with J-fashion second hand sites.
No. 478536
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>>478451>Front corseting makes most dresses look like sexualized drindlsLace-up fronts have been a thing in lolita fashion for over 20 years, they're not going away. What a weird thing to complain about.
No. 478543
>>478507AYRT, I'm a dumbass and really shit at using Xianyu, but I might give it another go. I'm just malding at the covidlitas latching on to one of my favorite brands because it's trendy.
>stop wearing old school and wear what, printed sweet? Would genuinely rather kill myself kek.
No. 478547
>>478536Picrelated isn't bad, (of course not - it's a popular brand dress) but you wouldn't be able to convince me that it wouldn't look better without the fake corseting in the front.
I don't think it's more weird to complain about the front lacing than it is to complain about lace, skirt lengths, specific colorways and silhouettes. Having preferences is what keeps the market and discussion in the subfashion interesting and alive.
No. 478548
>>478543>I'm a dumbass and really shit at using XianyuThis is why I roll my eyes at people complaining about there being no options for old school, I'm not gonna deny that it's still expensive but it's not the fault of covidlitas if you can't figure out how to use an app.
>and wear what, printed sweet? Would genuinely rather kill myself kek.I wear both so I don't really have a problem with it.
No. 478553
>>478548AYRT, you're right that it's my own fault I can't use the app kek. I need to get better with it.
I think both are true, I'd have better luck on Xianyu so I can't blame it all on the new gen of lolitas, but that also isn't going to keep the scalpers from charging $500 for a dress (especially if people keep paying it).
I ended up feeling super uncomfortable in prints when I tried wearing them years ago, but tbh I think facially I'm not cutesy enough to pull off sweet (I've got a severe nose and kind of deeper-set eyes) so that could be a factor.
No. 479475
>>479412The ddlg-like behaviour done in public by some of the grown women who join meets is one of the main reasons I'm considering going lonelita.
Last time I went to a meetup a girl adorn in just bloomers, an urban outfitters top and a headdress joined with her creepy boyfriend who was always lurking around her like a shadow. What annoyed me the most was that it was obvious that the lolitas at the meet were uncomfortable with his presence, probably noting the obvious perverted dynamic they had going on. He was leering at some of the other girls too. So upsetting to hear how common this is.
>>479240Keep beating this dead horse until people stop bringing tag-alongs with no interest in the fashion for no reason.
No. 479492
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Just a few years ago I was able to find reasonably priced burando on vinted but now since the fashion blew up with tiktofags I keep seeing some mid ETC JSKs worth 50 bucks at the most being sold for hundreds and don't even get me started on Bodyline…
Same with accessories. There used to be many good quality headdresses listed but now the entire app is swarmed with fugly 5 minute crafts shit that looks like picrel and nothing else.
Some girls even try to shill it in our comm server…
No. 479536
>>478346The only things I’ve ever donated were these really crappy handmade pieces I bought off comm members for moral support/out of pity lmao. Nobody was ever going to buy those to wear, but maybe a crafty thrifter could salvage the fabric or something.
>>478349>>478377I’ve had a lot of success selling lolita-esque pieces by brands like Axes Femme and Miho Matsuda on Vinted, sometimes for more than I bought them originally. My most popular listing was a really ugly, low quality Taobao blouse that I had been duped into buying by heavy photoshopping by the brand, but even with my accurate pictures that showed off clearly how shitty the blouse was it still accrued almost 400 likes before someone bought it at retail price within two days. Bless these clueless Vinted itas.
>>479412I hate this so much and I wish it was a bannable offence. But of course these women are always munchies who claim to have a dozen disabilities that mean they have to bring their nasty boyfriends along as ‘caretakers’ so gatekeeping would be considered ableist.
>>479240The worst part is that even if other lolitas agree that other women’s boyfriends are annoying and shouldn’t be brought to meets, they always think their own bf is an exception, so organising private meets doesn’t get rid of this phenomenon. I thought I had found a small group of based girls in my big comm until I complained about the annoying moid in jeans and a t-shirt at this brand event with limited attendance who went around being obnoxious to everyone and he turned out to be the boyfriend of one of them so they got mad at me. FFS. I have a nigel too but I’d never bring him to a lolita event. Just because I like being around him doesn’t mean others will, and there’s just no reason for him to be there.
No. 480618
>>479536>these women are always munchies who claim to have a dozen disabilitiesthe lolita community is full of munchies nowadays, holy shit. I came back after a +10 year hiatus and the whiplash I am having is crazy. it's like every discord I join everyone is some type of mentally ill and lgbt (somehow they get to correlate both in some type of way even if that's extremely homophobic? my guess is because those are all performative things they do for special points). it's getting to the point I feel ashamed of dressing like this because most lolitas acts like some kind of sped.
I get this is fashion focused on cute things and hedonism and many people in it are some type of delusional and with a weak grasp on reality but jfc get a grip and stop confusing uncomfortable things with literal disabilities.
No. 480771
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>>480610I don't share myself as I'm pretty private, but it seems like twitter has a really good community and I enjoy looking at coords there the best. You can easily find lolitas that would interest you by searching for the brands that you're interested in, however most of them are Japanese or Korean lolitas, so if you were wanting to leave comments/receive comments, it mightn't be the best for you, but there's also no discussion about neurodivergencies, so it's kind of nice.
No. 481369
>>481034the fees are higher than buyee's but it's the best shopping service for anyone that needs their orders undervalued or needs things from very specific shops. during their business hours they also buy things quickly and they also pack really well. they also buy from pretty much all stores in japan. if you need any kind of customer service though they suck because they usually don't reply to e-mails or allow any kind of special requests (that aren't just order notes). i've been using them for about 2 years and only had good experiences though.
>>480610i like to use tumblr privately but lolita-wise there's not that much going on. i also don't like that images are there forever even if you delete your post because of the reblogs. for lolita i just use instagram and it seems to be the main place for western lolitas (other than maybe discord). twitter has a lot of japanese lolitas but i haven't tried posting there.
No. 482697
>>482683they did, zoomers found out about lolita through tiktok and like old-school because they think it has no rules and it fits their y2k aesthetic. iirc 2020-2022 sweet was more popular.
>Anyway I’d gladly sell this 25-year-old skirt for $250 if someone’s willing to pay that much but for $30 I’d rather keep it.please keep it, don’t make the scalper issue worse than it is already.
No. 487555
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I feel like taobao has ruined lolita. I don’t think either of them have particularly good coords but at least the girl on the right looks like she’s wearing a style and not a cosplay. The dress on the left looks like a modern day lace monster.
No. 487827
>>487555claire's-tier quality to match the background, maybe?
but i get what you mean, chinese designers come up with some of the most garish choices imaginable. if the lace quality was different it might not look so stage-costumey, but…
the clothing i dislike the most are the ones that look like they were made for one fit and one fit only. i genuinely do not understand where the joy is in buying/wearing a head-to-toe outfit that goes with nothing else except itself, for me lolita has always been about the fun of 'mixing & matching' to come up with good unique clothing combos and color schemes…
No. 488404
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>>487555its incredibly depressing because with just a little digging there are decent pieces out there that are tasteful and versatile enough for a beginner purchase, but a common newlita mistake is buying the flashiest and intricate looking dress instead. I personally dont mind taobao itself because its a very broad market, and could range from bootlegs, costumes, or genuine c-lolita brands.
I scarce get taobao, but I really enjoy forest wardrobe's quality and it's size range for blouses which are a godsend for my larger bust.
the legwarmers really ruin the fit for both of them even though the left is hardly salvageable, its one accessory I would ban from lolita if I had the authority alongside demonias/unconventional footwear
No. 488566
>>488134Seriously wish I had an answer to this because I have realized abruptly how much using other services sucks, as soon as I'm forced to resort to trawling through other sites I get pangs of longing for the Lacemarket filter system.
actually maybe this is a good spot to ask for a second opinion: I already know I'm overthinking this but I'm going to a brand-sponsored tea party in about a month's time and I thought it would be an appropriate gesture to wear something from one of the brands being featured. However, there's also a second brand and a model coming, and now I'm wondering if I should also try to show support for those other attendees (or the model's collabs) in a similar fashion, or if that'll be seen as tryhard. I've never been to an "official" tea party tbh so I have no idea what to expect. Maybe they'll have like a pop-up shop where I can buy at the event to show willing?
Like I'm not judging anyone else but I would feel some kind of way about going totally off-brand. Taobao is fine but it feels gauche to show up wearing Chinese shit when those manufacturers probably mean a lot stiffer market competition these days. JFC I'm going to hack this JSK into a skirt once I'm done, though, my tits are losing circulation in this thing.
No. 488828
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>>488720"i don't see the problem. if she released this in 2025 everyone would call this lolita 100%"
>cherry-picked the best images of DD>intentionally excludes shit like the marvel fabric atrocitiesexcuse the low quality i have completely forgotten how to make imageboard content but this should prove the point beyond 10,000 words
No. 489442
>>488566I visited a con with this same situation for a tea party before. Most people wore coords from one brand or the other (the primary brand did have the most main pieces represented), some combined both brands together (ie: a main piece from one paired with accessories from the other), some wore just an accessory from one of the two brands, and then some attendees didn't wear anything from either brand (nor the model's collab items from various brands). Wearing from one of the brands was encouraged, but it wasn't a requirement. There were a few people in taobao slop or normie prom dresses, and most attendees avoided them. They did have a pop up shop in the vendor hall selling items from both brands, but it was held separately from the tea party. The situation may be different depending on if the tea party you're attending is at a con or at a shop (I would suspect a shop would have stricter requirements than a con). Ultimately, you wouldn't go wrong wearing a coord from the primary brand. Depending on if it's an arrangement such as the upcoming one at Harajuku Hearts where it's an ETC tea party and Melody BasKet (who is under the same parent company J-Jolly) is also there, you likely wouldn't go wrong with wearing a Melody BasKet coord where as if it was instead a Metamorphose Tea Party and Triple Fortune was also at the same event, it'd be better to skew towards the Tea Party's featured brand then. If you have serious questions, maybe reach out to the event organizer for further clarification.
No. 489738
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>>489442Thank you for the insight, nona! I probably am just worried over nothing. The longer time I have to prepare a coord for a specific event, the more I get concerned about 'doing it right'.
I think there actually is a convention on-going that weekend in town so the brands might have a pop-up there. Dang, though, I hate the idea of paying con admission prices just for the chance to look…
The life of a lolita's wallet is stressful.
No. 489850
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>>488828I was gonna say, I hadn't heard about the brand before this video so I did like 10 seconds of research and almost everything was hideous outside of a few things (the teal dress second on the right is genuinely quite cute)
No. 490925
>>488056I don't want this thread to die/become just another drama thread where people sperg about Lor, but I'm also so sick of this happening and need to vent about this in particular. When I joined my comm years and years ago it was great. Most people cared about their appearance to some degree and had somewhat similar hobbies and interests. Meets were abundant there were a variety of different types of events. It was so easy to find people to talk to and it wasn't hard to make some friends. There was always some drama, but it was easy to avoid. Since covid the drama became awful and divided everyone in the comm. This made all of the well-dressed people start having private meets with friends only. Whenever there is a meet or a con, which is rare, it is always overrun by greasy weebs and taobao/tiktok obsessed zoomers with terrible taste who bring their nigels and normie friends everywhere they go.
The discussion earlier ITT about comms/lonelitas really applies here too. My main friend group kind of left the comm. We're all still in the comm groups, but we barely interact with it. There have been a couple people shoehorned into the group by one person and everyone just went with it. They are kind people, but they have absolutely no taste in or out of lolita and don't take care of themselves at all. They don't even have any fun hobbies or interests to talk about. Just the usual taobao/tiktok itas who are more focused on looking as weird as possible and buying the most costumey garbage you can find. I'm not a
terf and I don't care if someone is trans, but they're genderspecial losers who have nothing else to talk about and make that their entire personality which is so fucking annoying. They hate doing any of the usual lolita meet things (tea, museums, nice restaurants, ballet/opera, theatre, etc.), they're always fucking broke and never want to spend money on anything, and they act like children. It always has an impact on our plans because no one wants to make them feel left out. I usually just say I can't make it unless I know they won't be there or I ask the people I like most to hang out alone. Our group was all goths and classics and the shoehorned in itas wear sweet. We only ever got compliments before if we got any attention at all, now we are constantly harassed and asked if we are coming from local conventions, if we are wearing costumes/what our cosplay is, or stared at and laughed at. Even creeps bother us with them around because they wear the cheapest AGP looking shit. It's embarrassing as fuck. When I'm out alone or they aren't with the group this never happens. The worst part is they love the negative/weird attention. They always talk about it like its some kind of badge of honor. Early on I tried to voice this to the group, but I honestly think some of my friends just feel bad for them so they didn't really listen. Now it seems like some of my friend group must feel a similar way because we all talk and hang out less and less as time passes and less people show up/join in on plans, but no one can say anything out of fear of losing friends or being called a bigot or something. It has made me feel very lonely and I can't even easily make more lolita friends because of how divided and shitty my local comm has become. I joined comms within the fashion to meet likeminded people and now everything is trash and I feel like I have reached my breaking point and will just become a lonelita, hang out with my goth/ega bf alone, and give up on having friends.
No. 491002
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>>490704Not like it's a new thing to be fair.
No. 491263
>>490925> no one can say anything out of fear of losing friends or being called a bigot or somethingI genuinely feel someone needs to do for the Lolita community what Angela Benedict did for goths when she made her videos about 'gatekeeping' but I also cannot imagine the amount of seething keyboard warriors a video like that inspires and would never ask someone to martyr themselves like that.
Imageboard culture is over, Livejournal is dead, behind-the-bows/Lolita secrets is dead or doesn't last whenever anyone tries to restart it, the only community figureheads are all 'lolitas should be lovelies!!' types…like, great, good job everyone, we have entirely eliminated the 'drama' aspect of the community which was so unpalatable, but also all the good lolitas have gone into hiding and the local comm discussions are basically relegated to only the most shallow, surface-level interactions like 'I bought a new [x]' or 'new AP release, what do we all think (positive feedback only)?'
A discussion about media
almost sprouted in my local server the other day but then a mask-wearing ita started yapping about
triggers and that conversation concluded abruptly. It remind me of the same type of walking on eggshells you'd do around a bpd-chan or an
abusive relationship. Even online, the conversation has gotten so stifled because everyone has to self-police like the Bolsheviks are still around. I just want some of the liveliness that was around back in the early '10s.
I can't quite put my finger on when but there was definitely a tipping point somewhere along the way. Even though the fashion is cheaper and more accessible than ever, and supposedly the community is more welcoming and toxicity-free than ever, the hobby overall feels more 'dead' now than it did back then. We got rid of the drama in the same way that lobotomizing a housewife in the 1950's got rid of her depression.
No. 491349
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>>491263>'new AP release, what do we all think (positive feedback only)?' I hate this so much. Can't even say "I think this dress is ugly and I don't know why they even put it out" without people in the comm discord jumping you and being all like "WELL ACTUALLY!!! Some people have different tastes and you're a MEANIE for calling this dress ugly when some people find it cute!" It doesn't even have to be straight up saying that a dress is ugly, but even if it's a more specific comment like "I don't like how atelier pierrot cuts the bodice on their dresses. I think it's generally unflattering for most people and I'd wish they'd do it another way" the comm members still get mad. The only acceptable thing to say ever is just endless compliments and it seems this is not a lolita-specific problem either, but rather a general internet/socmed-induced change. People in music communities are doing the same. You can be like "listened to (whatever band)'s new song. it wasn't for me" and various random people will reply to say if you don't like it then you should just not post about it. There's just a general atmosphere of forced positivity/no criticism allowed (unless it's approved criticism ofc).
>>491286well
nonnie don't you know it's ableist to assume that someone has the ability to steam/iron clothes and it's classist to assume that everyone has the means to own an iron or a steamer, and also sometimes wrinkly clothes are an artistic choice in the creation of a coord and saying that an outfit isn't lolita when i identify it as being lolita is a form of gatekeeping rooted in transphobia? please educate yourself some more.
No. 491368
>>491263I agree wholeheartedly. I miss the community aspect so much. The forced positivity and silencing of any conversation that isn't braindead has become so exhausting. The best part is this never eliminated the 'drama' like they wanted it to, all it did was make everyone divide and stop talking to each other/interacting with the comms. The worst parts of the drama are still there, just below the surface and in private discussions.
>>491286They always have some 'reason'. Unstyled and unwashed hair? Ugly non-matching dirty shoes? Wrinkly clothes that look like they were left at the bottom of a bin for a week? Well it's because they're disabled, or they're poor, or its the way they express themselves and it's unfair and ableist and classist and racist to mention it, like
>>491349 said. I know plenty of people who are actually disabled and we're all poor to some extent with how bad the economy is, and none of us do this. I hate that they think that's a real excuse. If you don't give a shit about what you look like why not just say that. They ask for crit then take it personally or act like they know better even though they were asking for crit.
No. 491535
>>491349>The only acceptable thing to say ever is just endless compliments and it seems this is not a lolita-specific problem either, but rather a general internet/socmed-induced change. People in music communities are doing the same. You can be like "listened to (whatever band)'s new song. it wasn't for me" and various random people will reply to say if you don't like it then you should just not post about it. There's just a general atmosphere of forced positivity/no criticism allowed (unless it's approved criticism ofc). Nta but I've always hated this about modern internet culture. I think it's a side effect of everyone wanting to be influencers so they can't say anything that would hurt their chances at future brand deals or alienate their audiences. But chronically online zoomers who get offended at everything and are too fragile to hold an adult conversation have made it the norm for most online etiquette now. They don't go outside so they just think this is how everyone talks and bring it into every community. Even if you aren't an influencer you have to put on a front of
toxic positivity or people won't want to be friends with you. It's bad for the fashion too because the quality of major brands has declined so much and people get offended if you tell them not to waste hundreds of dollars on it. Of course they can buy whatever they want, but brands only get away with cutting corners because people still buy it. This goes for coords too. There is zero incentive to maintain any kind of standard anymore.
No. 491800
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>>491368I truly believe a large part of the community aspect is missing because of the death of "lifestyle lolita" and also just from the way social media evolved. Nowadays, the western comm seems to largely be on Instagram. Generally, when you go on any lolita's page there, each post is a coord post, and if it's not a coord post, it's a haul reel. Meanwhile, when you go look at old blogs from the western community, not every post was "here was my coord from the meetup today, and also I bought this new dress!" There were posts of baking attempts (both good and bad), embroidery projects/plushie sewing, film discussion, book reviews, etc. Yes, there were haul posts back then too, but they were interspersed with various activities, and people would also make items specific to a coord and inspire others to do similar (picrel). All of that gave us something to talk about with each other. Now, if someone has a good coord, many of the Instagram comments are "Where can I buy the cardigan? Where is the bag from?" and there are basically no posts about anything other than coords and hauls. If someone does post something that isn't one of those, it goes into stories and gets forgotten about after a day. There isn't anything to talk about besides shopping, because that's all anyone is posting about. Additionally, modern social media pages tend to put more focus on individuals and gaining a following than what blogs or even tumblr did, since tumblr's system of reblogging to comment put more focus on conversations (which other people could jump into) instead of how it is on Instagram of having to click to view comments for a specific post, where the comments are for the most part between the OP and The Commenter, and it's all collapsed into a little "view more" link (that is if the conversation even extends further than "Where did you buy the otks?" "Alice and the Pirates" "Thank you!"). Even within lolita discords, there just doesn't seem to be much actual discussion happening outside of "I want to buy this but I'll have to break my no buy" or something similar.
No. 491842
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>>491801Someone in my comm is gushing about Dandy Puppeteer's Carnival Puppet BackerKit that just released which not only looks awful but goes up to a 180cm bust. When do you realize you have a major problem? This is disgusting. The only good thing I can say about it is they're using natural fibers.
No. 491843
>>491800ayrt, and I agree with this too! I'm an oldie so I was around in the lj days and I remember how tumblr sort of took the torch before modern social media got as big. Social media has killed most social aspects of life, ironically.
I feel like while there are a ton of people now who only care about the clothes thanks to tiktok style content, there's still people who are lifestylers or who have a genuine interest in related hobbies. They just don't post it and talk about it with their friends instead. And because the comms are dead and divided those friend groups are small. I've seen it in posts here, multiple friend groups over time, and through the few people who do post about what else they're doing. I know myself and my friends do have interests that are "lifestyler" interests/hobbies, but posting it somewhere like instagram feels wrong unless its a story. Anything else makes it feel like you're trying to be an influencer or something and it just doesn't get the same response, like you mentioned. There is no discussion, people just like it and move on or leave a compliment in the comments. "Influencer" mindsets/people posting as if they have an audience and aren't just interacting with a community has definitely affected this too. I think this is why there has been a small movement back to tumblr recently. I've been seeing a lot of posts about reviving old blogs or making new ones. I hope it goes deeper than just reposting coords from their other socials on their blogs and brings back some of this community/lifestyle aspect.
No. 491899
>>491349I feel like with AtePie in general you can't say anything negative about it because they have strong English presence and plus size range so people act like it's a perfect brand. I think a lot of their pieces look unflattering on basically everyone but if I said that in public I'd be lynched kek
>>491783>>491791>>491793I don't mind fats and considering fats can get actual burando (meta, mam) or get decent pieces made to order to their size (several indie brands) I am just appalled at people who don't clean up or wear Taobao trash that doesn't fit and looks like shit. Being fat or poor is not an excuse to smell and look bad. This is a fashion hobby, please try to look your best.
No. 491907
I'm probably in the minority here but as long as they're not deathfats and their dresses are actually meant to fit them (like Meta) then I don't necessarily think fat = ita. But most fattychans just squeeze themselves into a fully shirred dress like Shirring Princess to the point of ruining it. Obviously that's going to look really unflattering. It also makes the secondhand market a lot worse with all the stretched out
>>491856>they're attracted to the cakes and candies in the dressesFucking kekkk honestly the fashion is just known to attract weeb/otaku types who are more likely to be fat.
No. 491911
>>491842There's some seamstress in my comm that loves this type of scalloped hem skirt and all i can think when I see it is that it looks like they used the ABSOLUTE bare minimum of fabric on it. Like there's no 'drape' or movement to these skirts, they're being stuffed within an inch of their life by the petticoat underneath and they look
bad irl especially in comparison to skirts with more yardage. Also those specific shades of bubblegum pink and periwinkle blue are never going to remind me of anything other than Adult Babies but ig that's also part of indie brands' target audience at this point. watch out, it would be ~elitism~ to suggest other shades that might make the ageplayers feel ~excluded~!
No. 491920
>>491856nayrt but from what I understand it's because back in the day (like 20+ years ago) making the dresses was so expensive that brands could only really afford to make a single size for every new release. This isn't uncommon for Japanese brands because the expectation is for the consumer to fit the clothing they want, not vice versa, but because lolita was such a niche fashion and only a certain amount of people were interested in it to begin with, brands made shirred items to accommodate a larger size range in their audience while still being able to afford 'one size only' cost of manufacturing (this is also the reason brands take pre-orders even to this day).
Essentially even back in the 90's before it came overseas, it had a reputation for being 'fat girls fashion'. The irony is that even with a size range meant for the overweight girls in japan, they are not overweight
enough for American fat activists which is why you get complaints about Japanese brands only being 'meant' for 'anorexics' even now. and tbf some of it is height, as someone 5'9" with western bone structure I'm probably never getting down to a 64cm waist, but there are people who don't even make the
attempt to fit their clothes because they have bought hook-line-and-sinker into the American/Tiktok entitlement of 'everything should be made for everyone and if it isn't then it's morally bad'.
No. 492400
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>>491842This simply looks bad. The fabric looks especially wrinkly on the garish pink/sax version (suggests to me it's probably thinner lower-quality fabric than we usually see in lolita), but then the black/white version doesn't look any better. The bodice is either missing a button or the spacing of the buttons is way off, the sleeve is all wrinkly, the petticoat seems to be too short so it's lampshading and these are the best product photos they could come up with to try and sell this?
>>491843The comms being dead and divided like you mentioned is also not helping. Geopolitics analogy, but it created a "power vacuum" where the good lolitas decided they were exhausted of dealing with obnoxious itas (the ones that don't know how to behave in public or wear stuff that tbh isn't even really lolita), so they stopped attending meets as much. With no one to challenge the itas on their behavior or coords, the itas were emboldened and other itas joined en masse and now there is a new norm of "buying lolita on amazon is ok! wearing victorian maiden is
problematic because they are a fatphobic brand (even though the people who complain about this never seem to like classic anyways?)" Deeming others as
problematic is how the ita coalition maintains power, and it works because most of us are pretty non-confrontational and we don't want to be
victims of a witch hunt (the comment
>>491263 made about self-policing and walking on eggshells is definitely my experience in non-anon spaces, and it's not like I'm trying to say anything inflammatory or prejudiced, but even the smallest criticism of taobao designs sparks fury from this group) so we continue to largely keep to ourselves while mourning the death of the community overall, and the itas reign supreme. Tbh, the comm seems to be just as "
toxic" as before, if not moreso. It's just a different flavor of toxicity enforced by a different group of people. I do hope that the return to blogging that more and more lolitas are doing will help, but already I've seen some lolitas seemingly abandoned their blogs after just 3 posts. Most people might just be too conditioned to social media at this point to try something new.
No. 492402
>>491920It’s not even 64cm waist as a goal these days unless you only want to wear older OPs and skirts. Modern JSKs from AP and Baby stretch well into the 80s or 90s for waist. It’s definitely more of an issue if you’re slim but have a large bust but there have always been skirts and salopettes for that.
I used to be obese but after I got into lolita I seriously reconsidered what I was doing to my body with using food to seek temporary numbness and decided to lose the weight. I feel like if I ever alluded to that in a comm meetup these days I would get excommunicated for fatphobia and promoting diet culture while the girls still eat entire cakes and complain about knee pain and how Japanese burando must be made for children and anorexics because who could possibly fit into those baby clothes.
No. 492494
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>>492404Corsets are absolutely acceptable, but you'll usually need to look for lolita-specific ones that have a shorter torso length than average. If the corset is too long then it'll overlap your petticoat/hips & squash your skirt, if it's too short then it'll have no 'curve' to the boning and will just end up looking like an overly wide belt that boxifies your torso. something like picrel is a good reference for length imo.
if you're talking about wearing corsets underneath the dress, I wouldn't recommend that because in my experience, corsets add more bulk than they take away. ngl have sometimes worn a binder or sized-down sports bra to flatten my tits for button-up blouses though.
No. 492511
>>492402yeah i should have clarified that 64cm is not the norm nor the expectation unless you're looking for vintage classic/gothic. which I WISH I could fit into, oldschool Mary Magdalene and Victorian Maiden advertisements were what made me fall in love with the fashion, but finding those dresses is like a needle in a haystack anyways so it's okay if i don't fit into something i don't own lel. you're correct in that bust is generally the additional deal-breaker to worry about, too.
I'm also someone who started dieting/exercising as a result of getting into lolita, I lost around 40lb during that time and it was honestly really good motivation for me to keep on-track whenever I started to get tired of keeping up the routine. It made my life better in other ways outside of the hobby, too, but if I ever tried to bring up something like 'lolita made me a healthier person' or 'I'm proud of losing weight, now I can fit into my dream dress' - god forbid anything more specific like exercise goals or cute low-calorie dessert recipes - it would be a huge faux pas.
No. 492606
>>492558same, i remember when there used to be like 50+ secrets every week or more.
like i'm sure there were some unhinged vendetta-chans among the people who submitted but for the most part it was just cathartic for people to be able to vent and I don't think it actually resulted in that much harm overall. nobody was killing themselves over lolita secrets, if anything there were people who were suspected to selfpost there because of how much they'd wallow in the attention and sympathy afterwards. nobody took it too seriously, and it was fun as long as people understood that.
No. 492616
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>>492606Plus sometimes it was just memes and jokes and not anything personal against anyone
No. 492637
>>492558>>492606>>492616I miss secrets too. I felt like it really brought the community together. Once a week we would all see what people had submitted and usually have a good laugh or some discussion about it in the comments. Meme secrets about releases or general community events were funny and harmless for the most part. It was like having inside jokes for the whole global comm. Now we just accept shit coords, poor quality and bad designs from brand, indies and taobao alike because it might hurt someone's feelings to make unserious jokes about it. It was rarely personal if you weren't someone who actively involved themselves in drama, and those types were probably selfposting anyway. Sometimes I go and look at old btb posts for a laugh and to reminisce about old times.
Lolita used to feel more like a proper subculture, with its own memes, lifestyle and hobbies. I agree with anons upthread saying it feels like we've lost that aspect. Now it just feels like one of those shallow aesthetics. Optimised for social media and influencers like Lor trying to shill products vs actual human interaction or community. Everyone jumps to say the mean lolitas/hate/drama are the problem, and maybe that was part of it but I think modern internet culture is also to blame. Instagram and tiktok are not built for community interaction and discussion in general, so the subculture aspect of lolita has suffered for it. I still talk about lifestyle and fashion stuff with close friends from my comm, but it's not the same as feeling like there's this big global community. Even this thread almost feels like one of the last remnants of a bygone era.
No. 493091
>>492698nayrt, but I totally agree. Even when I was just following the fashion, before I bought my first pieces, I used the secrets and confessions to follow the fashion and see what people were talking about in the community. My first brand piece was actually a dress that someone posted on BTB calling it ugly but
I liked it so I bought it anyway. It could get nasty at times, but it really felt like a way to talk about stuff honestly instead of the polite façade you often have to put up. I also loved the way that confessions on BTB could be positive. Yeah, you got selfposters sometimes, but I really loved seeing the positive stuff too. It gave me people to follow on social media and inspired me in the fashion.
I wish there was an avenue for something like that which wouldn't immediately get you cancelled if you were found out to be running it. Also, so often recent attempts have been taken over by stupid discourse and pure negativity. I would love to see a site that was mildly moderated to cut out the truly stupid takes but still allowed people to be honest about the lolita community and fashion, both positive and negative.
No. 493190
>>493091say what you want about drama communities but they were often really informative and it gave people common topics and in-jokes to share at meetups.
like i directly credit /cgl/ ita threads for making me better at coording because it was giving examples of 'what not to do', the thread infighting taught you a rough idea of what constituted 'nitpicking', and you could always look at the image dump threads for motivational/aspirational coords as well. and like in the recent lolita drama thread, scammers got outed there as well. or creeps like that one Texas con chair who was outed for trying to find his sugar baby among the lolita comm there.
FFS whisper networks have been a thing in female-dominated communities for centuries for a reason. honestly there's probably a whole ass psych dissertation topic in there on the reasons why 'gossip' was so prevalent in the lolita comms back then and why it's now such anathema to lor's tumblr libtard crowd to the point that THEY will bully people out of the fashion or community for mentioning it.
No. 493281
>>493091>>493190Every now and then confession accounts pop up on instagram, are almost immediately outed as ran by the same handful of cows and then they die. I think there is still demand for it though, if there was an earnest, non trolling attempt to run one. What I wonder is whether or not the younger generation of lolitas would take to it. BTB and /cgl/ were already slowing down and no longer considered community staples when they started. They are used to the current hugbox-y culture because it's all they know.
Secrets and anon platforms were a way for the community to self govern. If someone was scalping, causing drama or giving bad advice while being ita themselves etc. they'd get called out on it by some anon. Even if they didn't listen it would encourage others in the community not to do the same. I think reddit had potential to be a good semi-anonymous forum for discussion and information, but it's so poorly moderated that it has alienated the core community. In its heyday /cgl/ was seen as taboo but almost everyone in the community used it, so once you learned to screen out the bullshit you could learn a lot from anons. No one is going to learn anything from reddit because most lolitas worth their salt have long given up on it.
No. 493616
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>dropped image
No. 493634
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What was your first ever main piece, and do you still own it? Do you think it still represents your style?
>picrel was mine
No. 493715
>>493616Why do the straps sit like that? Also the fabric looks like cheap bedsheets.
>>493634It was a cheap skirt from anna house that i got from livejournal back in the day. I sold it because i was too pussy to fully commit to lolita, plus i had no money. I regret it so bad because i would have worn it today, it was perfect!
No. 493719
>>493616>bodice is a puckered cylinder tube>massive amounts of shirring + those buttonhole panelsthis was made this way to appease morbidly obese lolitas and that is the only explanation. but also for anyone morbidly obese the placement of those straps is going to look ludicrous because the width on the front-facing bodice panel, they're too close together.
there's also literally nothing else to appeal to the 'lolita' sensibility other than the print, like anon upthread said. it also feels like the ruffles either need to be shorter or made out of a different material… this should have been posted to the ita thread, lel.
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>>493634I thought about this dress for years before I finally bought it kek. Since then I've been slowly adding to my wardrobe. I was honestly a brand ita for a while though since I would only splurge on main pieces and neglected accessories.
No. 493753
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>>493634>first 'lolita' itemebay MM replica for $100 because I was in high school and didn't know any better
it was a travesty i don't even want to talk about how sad and disappointed i was when i received it. nothing fit right, the materials might as well have been trash, it was so clear the photos were stolen and $100 was not a small amount to me back then.
>first actual lolita itemBodyline's IW replica skirt. It was an incredible upgrade compared to the ebay replica but I was still embarrassed when I realized it was also a copy of something another brand had released. that wasn't well known at the time because it was before we had archival sites like lolibrary but still.
>first brand itempicrel, still have it. it's one of the very few white/ivory pieces i own. probably never going to get rid of it because of how special it felt to finally own 'real burando', and the embroidery details still wow me to this day.
No. 493942
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Anyone else feel like every time a western brand does a shirred piece there's always something "off" about the shirring?
It's one of the reasons I can't appreciate WireHead. It always looks weird to me.
No. 494132
>>493942I feel like the only one that looks really off here is the one on the right. Frumpy and awkwardly shaped. I think it could be the spacing and thickness of the elastic? Most Western brands' shirring seems to use elastic that is too wide and too spaced out, so it gives a strange shape. That or they use elastic thread which only looks good on blouses. I agree with
>>493953 that wirehead items look pretty good usually, especially in real life.
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>>494151>>494154Also, bustiers are usually worn in sets with a matching or coordinating skirt–I've rarely seen them worn in such a way that doesn't look like a JSK, but it is possible and can look really cute. Picrel stolen from a current listing on LM for a brand example of a set.
No. 494378
>>494364People already tried on tumblr, but it probably didn't take off since you need a tumblr account in order to send an anonymous ask (see
>>276887) and dreamwidth doesn't allow it, BtB kept getting taken down.
No. 495136
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>>495107Seems like Disqus is out too. Tumblr didn't remove BtB despite mass reports of bullying but it didn't have much photos on it, right? That could be why they got away with it. But without photos it's not the same. It might be time to just let secrets retire, people are too sensitive now, you can't have stuff like that anymore without self hosting something.
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>>497784I have in the past wished that Lolibrary could have a feature for coords that would branch off of whatever item entry a few times in the past, but I know it wouldn't work so well for their platform. It's not their main objective, plus it would get overran by permaitas and "influencers" trying to redirect viewers to tiktok or some shit, so I know it just wouldn't work. I miss when instagram used hashtags where you could look up different people's coords with a specific dress. Searching #StrahovLibraryJSK would bring up several coords (flatlays or worn) of IW's Strahov Library from different people. There are a few tags this still works for (like searching #GraziaCrown yields picrel), but it used to work way better. I like the idea because I think it's fun to see all the different ways people would coord the same dress. I also used to use the instagram hashtags to get inspiration for new way to coord something I have already had, like maybe using a blouse&otks in a color I wouldn't have thought of doing before had I not seen someone else's picture.
No. 498228
>>497784There used to be a "lolita coord database" on Tumblr i think
I would love this, but I think a lot of people would be opposed.
No. 498436
>>497871Not sure why there's so many naysayers, this is a great idea and Meta absolutely nerfed their platforms by removing tags. If people post their pics publicly it's free game, this is the internet. Though an issue would be if people submit a removal request,
all their content should come down. They shouldn't have to search the whole platform to remove themsleves, it should be on you to just do it as requested. You'll need some way in the background to tag who each image is of or be very good at recognizing faces. It would also benefit from a rating system where low-rated images are removed because otherwise it will just be a collage of itas.
No. 498492
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>>498436I like your idea about ratings to avoid itas, but maybe it should be more generic to discourage it becoming a popularity contest/vendetta-chans down voting their enemies, etc. I also know booros don't usually have tags on the image itself, but I like the way the tags are displayed on wear.jp
No. 498642
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Do you find yourself falling out of love with lolita fashion? Ever since I quit social media and especially Instagram I no longer have the need to obsessively look at people's coords and participate in the conversation. I find current mid 2020s trends are also incompatible with the lolita silhouette unlike something like 2010s goth and twee fashion. Even in Japan the current jirai trend that is all about short skirts and pink black and lavender doesn't mesh well with lolita, giving lolita an "old" look like millennial fashion at the moment. I know fashion trends are cyclical and in the 2030s there will be nostalgia for 2010s lolita but at the moment I've simply shelved my wardrobe and gone normie for a while.
No. 498772
>>498649no offense nonna but i don't think you can fall out of love with something you haven't even started wearing yet. you still have that excitement for it because you haven't even experienced it.
>>498642yes, but it comes and goes for me in waves.
i'll be really into buying and being a part of the comm for a few years then i'll get interested in other hobbies and kind of stop for a bit, then rinse and repeat. i'm not particularly interested in new releases, so i know it's not that, but i think the conversation around lolita often stagnates, or there isn't much to buy in my specific substyle on the secondhand market. i always keep my pieces and wear them occasionally, but the need to "participate" comes and goes, and i'm okay with being more normie at this stage in my life. i don't think we always have to be "on" as a lolita at all times.
No. 498795
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>>498642I don't feel this, but maybe it's because I don't really follow current trends. If trends align with lolita, that's great, I benefited from the cropped cardigan trend a couple of years ago (they hit perfectly at the waist for lolita) and I benefited from the twee trend in the 2010s, buying blouses that I still wear to this day. I don't need modern trends to line up with lolita though, because ultimately wearing lolita is what I enjoy and have enjoyed for coming up on two decades now. Maybe it's seen as an "old" style, but I am old, so whatever, I don't care and I'll wear what I want. As for the online community, I can't really be burnt out on it because as a lonelita with minimal social media presence, I'm generally longing for community interaction wishing I had someone to sperg out about it with. When I do talk about lolita, it's basically only on here or to my (non-lolita) friends irl. I do look at people's coords online from time to time, but mostly on Twitter or on Wear, so I'm unable to "participate in the conversation" due to the language barrier. I do sometimes feel a bit sad that many of my favorite brands have closed down, and the active ones seem to mostly be doing rereleases instead of new designs, so it does feel a bit stagnant in that regard, but at the same time, I am at a point where I really enjoy my wardrobe, so it doesn't really affect me too much. Buying isn't my primary focus and I have other hobbies and clubs to engage in, that I can do while wearing lolita. So ultimately, I don't find myself falling out of love with lolita. I did fall out of love with the idea of being part of the community (too many embarrassing meetups with people who don't know how to behave in public), but the fashion itself I do still love and honestly the lifestyle elements that go with it too. I know the younger lolitas don't care about lifestyle and think the whole concept is antiquated, but I don't care what they think. If I want to wear lolita and go watch an opera or study languages at the local library, I will, and I'll have great fun doing so!
No. 498976
>>497784I would really like this, it reminds me of the cgl worn threads but better. Maybe the faces could be hidden by a sticker so it's a bit less personal and less likely to be taken down (but still make it very easy to request a removal of all pictures of yourself). Also an option to add a source like an instagram handle would be good. I don't think it needs a fully fledged out rating system but maybe an option to fave a picture could help sort out worse coords to the bottom if filtered by faves.
>>498642I've actually started to really appreciate lolita for the social aspect and now it's even more dear to me. Even though our comm meets were always a total ita-fest, I got to make some great lolita friends through bring & buys and other events last year and I'm so grateful for the opportunity. I love meeting up and just hanging out as friends while wearing lolita, especially because we ended up having a lot of other interests in common too. Obviously it's not the main reason for me to wear lolita but it made me even more motivated to wear it often. To be honest other than some work and home outfits I don't really own anything non-lolita anymore anyway.