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No. 208345
Since /cgl/ has been invaded by scrotes and trannies, let's discuss general things about the fashion here, from new releases to your dream dress. Share makeup looks and diy's, or your favorite coords. Talk about the comm you are in and your lolita friendships. Ex lolitas and newbies are welcomed too. Etc.
For drama, check out the tread on /w/:
>>>/w/143376 No. 208358
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Thanks for the thread anon!
I’m very excited for AP to start up the Nakayoshi Bunny MTOs whenever it happens. I’m really hoping the AP prophet was right and we’re getting all the color way choices.
Also hoping AP USA sends out Sugary Carnival soon, I’ve been so excited since I ordered it back in January.
No. 208359
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I haven't dressed up in ages and my closet is still full of stuff, mostly from before I had distinguished my current tastes. I have major nostalgia for some of the old bodyline, as well as old school and punk lolita. Some taobao brands seem to hit the mark with it, and I'm not too spergy about the exact skirt length as long as the overall silhouette works out well.
No. 209597
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I've never worn a lolita dress in my life but I love gothic lolita so much. I don't want to buy dresses right now because I'm overweight, but I'd really like to own one someday. I'm afraid to because it can be so expensive though. also the community looks kind of terrible.
No. 209610
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I kinda been into lolita since I was 14 (I'm 28 now) but the thing is that I only wore (handmade) lolita when I was a teen and never again, but still followed it pretty closely by going to CGL, BTB, being up to date with the current trends, doing art of it, dressing my dolls in lolita, etc etc. It's so weird (but not in a bad way) how much has changed since my teen years. I don't call myself lolita since I don't use it, but since it's more accessible to me nowadays as a latamfag, I might actually try to dress in lolita again when I get a new job. I just need to lose my lockdown lard as well lol
I also bought some cute fabrics a few years back when I was planning on doing handmade lolita for me again, but I don't even remember why I didn't follow through with it. I still have the fabrics, but I bought it for me when I was way thinner, so once again, I need to become thinner again to start sewing. I also dream of doing something like this
>>208359 and sew cute clothes for me and my doll to match. Especially printless classic lolita! Printless is so underrated. Mary Magdalene is one of my favorite brands.
>>209597If you fear the community, be a lonelita, anon. Using the clothes for yourself can be so rewarding, even if it's just for a quiet self care day at home. Lolita is more affordable than ever nowadays due to chinese brands (you gotta search for the right ones though, or at least manage your expectations for fabric and prints). Also as aforementioned, you can always learn to sew! A cute, ruffled square skirt is so so easy to sew, and paired with a nice blouse (that you can splurge a bit more since it'll be a staple in your wardrobe and you'll complement it with cheaper skirts/jsks) can go a long way.
Like, buy 2 nice blouses, one black and one white, same for socks and shoes, nice thrifted accessories and look for the dresses or skirts on taobao, second hand or make them. It can be a nice hobby learning how to sew!
No. 209629
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I've never worn lolita myself but I've admired the fashion from afar for like a decade now. Now that I actually have money I want to get into ouji, I love the shorts, hats, and vests. It's such a dreamy fairytale prince look. I have a fairly androgynous body so I think I can pull it off without looking too much like a sad fakeboi. It does seem like the community is overrun with them nowadays.
No. 209637
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I really love lolita, been wearing it for almost a year now and no other fashion I've worn has ever made me happier. Never felt the need to join a comm or anything because they really do seem shit. My closet is like 90% Baby and Meta mature sweet but I need to get my hands on more old school
No. 209640
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What are you guys' favorite lolita style?
Mine is classic, especially Rococco inspired classic rather than Victorian. I love Victorian too, but the baroque exuberance is so nice to my eyes. Bonus points if it's in ivory or reds. You can hear hapsichords playing when you look at some of these coords lol
I loved a while back (I wanna say 2015 but I'm not sure) when OTT classic was in. It was a bit too much of course, but the coords were pretty fun and creative.
I guess my least favorite is OTT sweet, especially those from like 2011-2012, but I don't hate it nor find it embarrassing or anything, just wasn't my thing at all.
No. 210534
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I swear to God there was a Dear Celine reseller shop on AliExpress, but I can't find it at all. Maybe it has been deleted. I love their prints, but the resellers outside Ali even on ali mark it up too much.
Any cheap taobao shopping services recommendations? It's been such a long time since I used one, I don't even remember its name now.
No. 217696
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This is super autistic, but I'd really love to see a coord inspired by the dress Elizabeth I wore in the "Armada Portrait." It's black and pale pink with pearl trim and bows as accents. Picrel is a historian wearing a replica (since the colors are harder to see in the painting because of its age.) If someone made the dress shorter and changed the sleeves, it could be a really nice gothic Lolita dress.
I like the idea of history-inspired lolita dresses in general. I think lolita and Rococo in particular have a lot in common aesthetically. The maximalism, the pastel colors, and intricate designs are all qualities they share.
No. 217733
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I very much more prefer Chinese brands compared to Japanese brands. Im tired of seeing the same prints and shapes. I know Japanese people are faggots and hate anything that’s not traditional but I really like how China has brought back older styles. Also much cheaper. Thanks cheap labor.
No. 217761
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>>217733I agree anon, although that pink dress isn't really up my alley.
I think Chinese lolita brands get a bad rep because China, being an industrial superpower, is just producing SO MUCH stuff that lots of it is bound to be garbage. People consequently overlook the small handful of great Chinese indie brands and lolita influencers. I find that a lot of Chinese lolitas are more likely to try weird things out that Western lolitas wouldn't while still holding themselves to a high standard of effort/investment in creating a great coord.
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>>217757I do, I cycle around 3-4 coords at any moment since I focus more on cosplay than Lolita. They're both expensive hobbies.. If you don't mind the upcharge DevilInspired is a taobao reseller. Shipping is the worst but whaat isn'[t at the time.
Brands I Like
ElPress (My OG post was Elpress)
Long Ears Sharp Ears
Classical Puppets
YUPBRO
>>217761Yes I agree anon! I find the way they are making longer silhouettes now. I've even seen some without wearing pettis,
Also some Chinese lolita is NOT cheap or bad quality. Pic rel is a classical puppets wedding release. Its sold for around ~2k in western market.
No. 220402
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I'm annoyed that old school has become a trend
I became interested in lolita when I was 11-13 because a goth fashion magazine I read would sometimes include it but only bought my first few pieces last year
I hope I don't offend any other lolitas but I can't get over how hideous I find most new releases especially ott sweet
either that or there's just something 'off' or boring about them, I only became interested in the fashion through old school and tbh I was quite shocked when I did more research and saw how it all changed and now old school is highly sought after and expensive so I can't actually choose things that I like most of the time
I started altering normie and vintage clothes to make up for it since I'm not active in my comm so who cares as long as I like it
No. 226227
>>208358I was so disappointed with this rerelease. Them swapping out the velvet fabric ruined the sweet fuzzy charm of this dress.
>>220402>there's just something 'off' or boring about themMost of the time is the fabric chance from cotton or even velvet to fucking polyester (plastic). Also there is less cute little details.
Not buying new AP anymore tbh.
>now old school is highly sought after and expensiveDw, the trend will die out some day, just be patient. Also keep in mind that you can still find oldschool for dirt cheap if it doesn't fit the cliché vision of oldschool zoomers have. Just like how they stick to a very narrow version of what "y2k" fashion was, they do the same with oldschool. They chase after the black and white aesthetic, and completely left out printed dresses of this era. I'm thinking about these strawberry AP prints for instance.
>>209597>the community looks kind of terribleJust avoir online comms and /cgl/, local comms tend to be fine in my experience. I never got into drama in the 2 different comms I've been in.
You can also be a lonelita.
No. 226314
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>>220402I don't think old school is that expensive outside of the stereotypical BTSSB blackxwhite stuff, like
>>226227 said. I wish it was though, because I have a couple of early 2000s pieces I've been meaning to sell.
>>226241There have been a couple of attempts at duplicating closetchild in the US, but it hasn't worked because we don't have the density of lolitas required. Closetchild's model relies on people being willing to take a loss on selling their clothes in exchange for convenience.But in the west, you'd have to ship your clothes to the reseller anyways, so you might as well list things yourself. FWIW though, you can make offers on lacemarket. When I was starting my wardrobe I'd look for people selling multiple items and ask if they'd do a 20%-30% discount if I bought several things at once. It almost always worked as long as they weren't really hyped up pieces.
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>>209640I love rococo style, Mary Magdalene's Fleur Antoinette is one of my dream dresses.
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>>226556though I would probably get it in a lighter colorway, I think all of them look pretty cute
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>>226556>>226557AYRT and same! I love it so much. MM in general is so underrated.
I think this is my favorite colorway, although I agree with you that they are all lovely.
No. 226567
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I love classical dresses in burgundy and navy, but I like sweet dresses in darker colors too. I also really like old school, but its hard for me to find a dress I like.
No. 226824
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>>226811For patterns, start here:
https://misscarolbelle.wordpress.com/list-of-patterns/I highly recommend Otome no Sewing.
Best fabrics: High quality cotton, velvet; fabrics that are not shiny or that don't look too costumey. For custom printed fabric, it depends from country to country.
Cute lace: Check your country's fabric and craft stores. There are some stuff on AliExpress if you know how to search well. Buy cotton lace, avoid polyester scratchy lace at all costs, it just look really cheap on the end result.
There's a lot of lolita tutorials on youtube, especially for skirts since they are the easiest. Begin by doing a rectangle skirt with ruffles and go up from that!
No. 226946
>>226824thanks
nonnie that link with all the patterns is super helpful
maybe I'll get some cheap fabric and experiment with the simpler ones until I understand how to alter the sizing and stuff
yeah I was told avoid polyester anything, and I've heard taobao lace is good but I have no idea how to navigate taobao lol
No. 227719
>>227498RIP to your lolita, nonna. I had a cat who couldn't resist puffballs on my jfashion.
Have you tried any of the following? Spray bottle with water everytime the cat attacks the clothes, spraying cat repellant on your clothes (wouldn't risk my burando with this), cat nailcaps.
No. 265801
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How do you wear your hair nonnies?
Personally I don't like wigs and haven't learned how to do ringlets yet so usually I just wear my hair down but I think it ruins a lot of coords, especially when I'm just casually in public.
Unpopular opinion I guess but I don't like coords with pigtails, 99% of the time it just looks ageplayish and retarded, unless it's styled very well and is clearly meant to be elegant. I'm considering getting a bunch of rose hair clips and wearing them for everyday coords, kind of 90s/00s inspired I guess.
No. 265859
>>226946if your goal is to create your own designs, rather than adjusting already made patterns, learn basic patternmaking techniques such as creating slopers off of your measurements and developing patterns for your designs with dart manipulation and slash and spread
you can start with paper and then use cheap fabric like muslin to test your patterns
No. 273206
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I need to sperg about this, sorry. It annoys me so much when newfags and sweetfags (no offence to sweetfags) call any coord in black and white gothic. Picrel somebody posted this on tumblr and captioned it with "gothic" kek. Obviously, not a thing about this is gothic, it's just sweet with ott elements but in black and white, but still very much sweet. Anyway, not attacking this girl, her photo probably got reposted anyway.
No. 273629
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I know /cgl/ has been a cesspool for a while but it's particularly bad right now, I hope this thread gets some use.
Anyways I love the print of this release but not particularly a fan of the bodice buckle details… Would be an instabuy in the emerald colorway for me if it came in a skirt cut (and I might just buy it anyways kek)
No. 274643
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I'm so stupid.
I bought an old rare dress for much more than I have ever spent on lolita before (I'm a poorfag) and now that it's here… I can't zip it. My ribs are too wide, it's literally just my ribs because I'm thin and my boobs are small. I've worn old Baby and IW dresses before so I didn't think the difference would be so huge with VM. I really wanted it and I won't be able to resell it for the same price. I guess I'll have it altered at the back, behind corset lacing so it's hidden.
This is lowkey making me feel like a whale though
No. 274727
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>>274711Not at all, it's made of twill. There's a velveteen version that came out a year prior (2001) and apparently it has shirring while this one does not. It's just a bit but it's too small on my ribs but quite lose on my waist. I guess it's because of my height (this one is supposed to have a dropped waist)
No. 274997
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>>274965A sister comm of mine had actual weeb lolicons attending their meets. Like he openly posted about it on social media, didn't even wear a coord and said he wasn't going to. I have no fucking idea WHY he was allowed and I'm glad it wasn't my comm because I would have gone berserk. Although my comm is stll filled with troons and turbo clolita weebs shitting on every coord that isn't taobao shit kek
This is making me want to become a lonelita, I pretty much only stay for sales and even then it's never stuff I'm interested in, since all they ever sell is Magic Tea Party shit and the rare burando is always ott sweet which I don't wear.
I hate their obsession with social media too, it's like every other lolita is severely attention starved and only cares about impressing other lolitas, I hate it
No. 275074
>>274997This. I recommend reaching out to people via friend finder threads and join your biggest local comm and check their member list for well-dressed, normal people. I'm done with non-vetted groups. Fetishists and troons are the worst but if I have the choice I also don't want to associate with clolitas. I hope you find friends
nonny.
No. 275389
>>274965We need to start applying for mod positions in our local comms. if we’re the first to see the requests, then we’re safe.
Current mods have allowed non-lolita wearers and worse to come through.
No. 275399
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>>275387>>275263>>274966>>274997>>274969>>274965>>275074>>275296i feel like we even have a potential discord server right here? would anyone be interested? I usually don’t use discord, so if anyone prefers a different platform i’m down
plz, we need a secret sisterhood
No. 275468
>>275399I'm down if you are. Don't if we need a server per se, we can start with a group chat and see how much interest there is first. Email me if interested to exchange tags.
>>275387Also down for a secret accessory! What could it be that no one else would use accidently though?
>>275389I like this idea, nice slow burn.
No. 276089
>>275490at some point you have to take the risk
nonnie.
No. 277105
>>276970learn to sage
>>277038the colors aren't too gr8 ngl. also i think if any kind of symbol were to be used, then it should be some ubiquitous
No. 277181
Hey, sorry to crosspost but the lolita thread on /cgl/ seems too far gone, so I'm going to post some info here:
>ASL
20, M, California
>Do you wear Lolita, EGA or both?
I don't wear anything currently because I am just getting into it (reccomendations would be nice), but I enjoy both Lolita and EGA.
>Fav substyles
Steampunk, classic, and maybe gothic.
>Other hobbies, interests, fashion styles?
Hobbies include strength training & competitions, working on cars/driving, computering, baking, knitting, and internet shit.
>How long have you been dressing in the fashion
Haven't started, but looking for specific resources.
>Not looking for?
Annoying people. People using this as a dating platform. People who don't know how to keep personal stuff to themselves.
>contact info
cosmail@nigge.rs (encryption available)
>anything else we should know
I have a HUGE disdain for patterns, which I call "wallpaper dresses". I'm looking for anything that coordinates around brown, gold, and dark green. I'm also looking for pieces that center around mens' styling, since I don't want to be the dude in a dress. If you speak like a child, I will tend to not like you(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 277203
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>>277201Ignore and report, nona
No. 277213
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>>277205>his e-mail addressIdk about genuine but yeah kek picrel for cleansing
No. 279799
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I love lolita so much it's unreal
Praying AP does more cotton MTOs because I am tired of the ugly poly stuff
No. 279832
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I admit I am kind of a noob when it comes to Lolita style and I have never really liked the cutesy pastel giant baby style Sweet Lolita (even though I admit many of the dresses and items individually are very very cute, it kind of gives me a migraine to see all that thrown together)
I think the more elegant classical Lolita where they wear heels and try to look more mature and ladylike is absolutely gorgeous. I think this style also suits gaijin Lolitas way more than the typical Japanese big baby style with too many frills and layers. It’s much more flattering and doesn’t look so frumpy either.
Some of the styling in these older J&J shoots where they mostly use European models is gorgeous and suits them so well. They look like Victorian dolls.
No. 280164
Coming over from /w/ - I'm sick of how shitty /cgl/ has become the past few years, but love the bbs anonymous style of posting. Hopefully we can have a comfy group to just talk about lolita.
>>279799Even the cotton MTOs have been pretty hit or miss. Nakayoshi Bunny is pretty off. I was pretty disappointed after I finally got it after almost a year of waiting…
No. 280651
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>>279832stole this from cgl, but i love classic lolita in dusty tones.
No. 281215
Oh thank goodness, people are using this thread again. Going on CGL just raises my blood pressure, and that's only taking into account having to constantly hide/scroll past the bottom of the barrel shit cosplay threads.
>>280965I am another Baby lover encouraging you to appreciate Baby more lolol. Baby's flavor of sweet definitely still adheres more to a sort of fairy-tale feeling most of the time, especially their older stuff, a lot of their artwork I love because the style reminds me of watercolor paintings.
No. 281263
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>>281261just looking at fril and i see a lot of things i like. especially pic related. it looks like an older print but i'm really fond of the border style that's more of an all over print. (don't know if there's a name for this kind of horizontally repeating print with no border) but looking through these are really reigniting my passion! and they're less than 20000 yen! feels like a dream!
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>>283507I love the items with little knit strawberries on them so I decided to crochet some strawberries and I attached them to wristcuffs, socks, and an old cardigan. It wasn't too difficult even as a novice in crochet!
No. 283665
>>283531I have a link to a bunch of ons scans but they're in japanese and I'm not good at working with patterns without instructions
>>283596cute, these would look good with lots of sweet coords
No. 283774
>>283665Can you drop your link
nonnie? I've never been able to find working links to scans
No. 283838
>>283805ah
nonnie, this vk link makes me miss lurking around jsf lolita community in russia. i always used all of the amazing photoshoots as a reference for my artworks, and despite all of the drama it was fun to read people's blogs. it sucks how over the past years they started allowing trannies, seeing them on group pictures is disgusting, and the way they cling onto women to a point it makes them uncomfortable is something else…
No. 285541
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I'm in the process of restyling my room and I would like to dedicate more space to my dresses. Right now I just have a plastic tub and a metal clothing rack. How do you all store your dresses/shoes/accesories? Does your storage match your style/s?
I'm in need of some idea
No. 285652
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>>285541tbh I just store it with my normie stuff since I only have 20 dresses anyway and I don't own much normies clothes. I've seen that most lolitas seem to have wardrobes or racks exclusively for their lolita items. It really depends on how much space you have and what kind of aesthetic you are going for.
No. 285653
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>>285652Same fag, but I mainly wear gothic and my bedroom does not fit the aesthetic at all. My lolita stuff is largely hidden away and I keep all my accessories in two shoe boxes. One day when I move out I want to be able to display my bags because they look pretty nice.
No. 285966
>>208345bought AP's happy garden op recently and it came stained (the seller didn't told me beforehand). Any stain removal tips? I have used like three methods already and none have worked
Istg some of these bitches be having food fights in these dresses, I'm pissed
No. 286009
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>>285966have you tried borax laundry soap like picrel?
No. 286044
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Where can I find old 2ch lolita thread translations? I read some ages ago and can't find them again
No. 288536
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Nonas, how do you dress when you're not in lolita? Are any of you lifestylers? I wear gothic and old school and my regular clothes were always pretty similar in style, I used to dress like a tradgoth when I was a teen and really into darkwave. I went through some realizations and reflected on a lot of things and now more often than not dress in baggy, masculine clothes and tbh I really like the contrast and how surprised people are when they see me wearing lolita/fred durst looking shit for the first time
No. 298170
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anons I need your opinions on whether this dress is salvageable or not - I really like the frog print and the green color but something about it to me looks a bit ita, do you think if I removed the weird chiffon frill on the bottom and middle it'll look decent? not my pic btw sorry it looks a bit wonky
there's also a pinafore skirt cut with the same print that doesn't have the chiffon so maybe I should get that instead? I just really want something with this frog print on it kek
No. 300644
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Is there any gothic lolitas here just disappointed by the blouses available lately? I won't sat lately, this issue has been going on for years. I really like the old moitie blouses but their current blouses are so boring. It's just the same chiffon over and over again. It seems like sheglit are the only brand who make good blouses since innocent worlds blouses are always sold out and i find atelier pierrots blouses to be too bulky looking. Don't even get me started on taobao. All the best stuff there is for sweet fags. Also thoughts on this release. I bought it but i am hesitant i made the right decision after the cross jsk that released not so long ago got bashed.
No. 303980
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I got a pixie cut recently. Do you have any inspo pictures of lolitas with short hair, nonnies?
No. 306398
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>>303980I know I'm replying late but there currently is a thread up on /cgl/ called "Short hair lolita inspiration" which might have something you can use as inspo. I would link it but I'm not sure if that's against the rules
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Any anon knows if people still wear himekaji? I wish there was more if a community out there as for Lolita. Any nonas interested in a himekaji thread perhaps?
No. 312745
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>>312700i hate jirai kei. jpsisters have the right idea calling it ryousangata. it's been nearly a decade and its reign of terror still isn't ending and only getting more and more popular. i'm sick of it.
No. 312748
>>312700I tucking hate jirai kei so much and the washed out grey-lilac x black everything ughhhh i want the og himekaji and romagyaru to come back.
I do wear my liz lisa stuff still and id call it himekaji i guess. There are really only a few girls i see wearing it these days.
No. 313498
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>handwashing my new (secondhand) jsk in cold water
>water is brownish when i lift dress out to rinse
>fear
The dress is brown, so I have no idea if it was because of the dye, or it really was that in need of a wash. either way I'm really glad I did it, and it looks fine on close inspection.
also, chiming into the jirai conversation a week late, I hate it mostly because of the really weird culture that has grown around it, and the murky muted colors that have become inescapable nowadays aren't my taste. I also miss himekaji, though I'm kind of accepting that it's dead in its original form.
No. 313562
>>313498I am glad your dress came out fine! Washing dresses always gives me a heart attack too.
I am not a fan of jirai kei either, tbh, lolita is the only j-fashion that i actually like.
No. 313643
>>313498I've had water turn disgusting colours after washing old dresses so it's probably just that, although a friend told me the brown parts of her OG Honey Cake ran. I reckon your IW was just filthy because that looks more like a commercial fabric than a custom print.
I've got much more fearless about laundry over the years. I used to handwash everything but now I stick Sugar Bouquet (a known bleeder) in the machine with a fuckton of colour catchers and it came out fine.
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Lately I've really fallen in love with "old school" sweet, but lately I don't know if I've seen many old school styled lolitas that aren't into more gothic styles/darker color schemes. I always thought contemporary sweet lolita doesn't really suit me, but I don't know what took me so long to realize that I really like the lower-key cuteness of older sweet brand pieces, especially pre-2010s Baby and AP. I took the plunge and bought this Sweet Fruit a la Mode skirt in sax, I'm really looking forward to coording it. low key sweetchans pls tell me about your low key sweet wardobes
No. 313958
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>>313944This is very cute! I agree with your sentiment too. I find myself gravitating towards less extravagant pieces too, granted that i have very minimalistic sensibilities when it comes to fashions in general, although i do not wear sweet bar my one sweet dress that is quite a lot and i do see myself selling it one day. Pieces like what you have are simple, but you can get tons more wear out of it unlike something like sugary carnival. I feel like when i spend time in spaces like ruffle chat, tons of the newbs do not treat lolita fashion likes clothes and want to be 1000% all the time to be the most edgiest and I find it tacky and tasteless.
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>>313944Look for BTSSB or some of the 2016-2018 AP sweet for adventurous days. This may out me a bit but I modified an AP OP with a cheap JSK and made this OP fall at my natural waist, and it's pretty understated by my standards. If you like jacquard Whip Jacquard is way nicer in person than in stock photos.
Meta's also made some very nice florals over the years and their quality on cotton pieces has remained top notch.
No. 314030
>>313949AYRT, I'm also very into classic, but mostly Innocent World's flavor of sweet-classic. It took me a while to realize I'm practically a sweet lolita with extra steps lol.
>>313958I have some lolita friends who somehow manage to wear their OTT sweet coords just on a regular day, but I've never even been able to imagine pulling that off lol, it takes some guts. I'm definitely a lot more minimal with my coording. I agree that some newbies seem to assume that every day has to be all-out coords all the time, which doesn't actually seem to be the case for anyone.
No. 314259
>>314022It was so much more fun than it is now. Lolita has always been expensive, but back then it was a challenge to even buy the clothes. Replicas were a real problem, so much so that AP (pretty sure it was them) had to ask EGL to stop posting them. There were endless cotton vs polyester debates, discussions of whether Bodyline was worth it since you could get multiple Bodyline pieces for the price of one brand item but Bodyline quality was infamously shit. Milanoo was a massive problem, it was basically Aliexpress but worse.
https://ohnomilanoo.tumblr.com/ documented some of their atrocities if you want to go through it, they also sold cosplays and there was a lot of drama over lolita being seen as a cosplay instead of a fashion, plus a bunch of newbies bought from them and posted their awful coords everywhere. There were lolita guides that were created to help combat this. The Gothic Lolita Bible had patterns for clothes, headwear, and other accessories, as well as some recipes and other random things, it was great. There were many attempts at handmade lolita which varied greatly in quality, but making your own accessories and clothes was popular, there were tutorials for everything from making straw boaters to sewing a bow to repairing shoes. Daily Lolita was a goldmine, people posted themselves wearing a crumpled JSK with no blouse or petticoat or socks, holding their skirt up by the hem, convinced their Milanoo was better than any Japanese brand. The nitpicking was insane. I think the EGL and Daily Lolita livejournals are still up, if you want to go through them. Behind the Bows was so fun but IIRC it kept getting nuked. CGL was better then, less tranny pandering and more bitchy nitpicking.
No. 314803
>>314259I really miss the emphasis on DIY. Of course people still do it, but it’s a much smaller percentage of the overall community. Even if much of it was god awful, it somehow felt very… cozy? wholesome? for all these weird girls to be teaching themselves a new skill just to try and emulate a very niche subculture from the other side of the world, squinting at grainy GLB scans all the while. Making your own sock toppers was like a rite of passage. Actual lolita pieces were so scarce that people who couldn’t sew were desperate enough to commission the likes of talia_speaks for badly made headdresses. Remember that drama? I hardly remember what it was about, just that it was scandalous at the time.
There are more resources available now than ever before but it feels like people keep making the same mistakes. Everyone I know who actually knew what they were doing either stopped posting or moved away from lolita.
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>>313498ngl I take a gross satisfaction out of washing filthy secondhand. Getting a jsk that's possibly gone over a decade without cleaning and finally getting the grime off feels nice
>>313944kind of a late reply but this I love this era of Baby too! I love how sweet from that era was very simple yet cute and it's one of the easiest styles to build a wardrobe in imo. I like that there's less focus on fullsets of matching jsk, kc and otks like with modern AP and you can get away with a white blouse or solid colored socks easier. Picrel is probably my most worn JSK, it's so versatile and easy to dress up or down with all the detachable pieces. And the print is subtle enough that I wear it blouseless as a normie sundress
No. 315304
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I'm in the market for new blouses, or dickys even. any recommendations for some, especially if purchased with the last year and recommend (cuz quality can change a lot)? colors do not necessarily matter, i can dye if i need to, but if they come in sax, lavender, red, white, mauve, or taupe colors that's a perk. short and long sleeves. don't need to be brand.
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>>313944>>313958Not a sweetfag myself but I share your sentiment. I've always really liked this kind of sweet as opposed to ott AP coords. And I feel the same way about classic. I love the minimalist look that old school Victorian Maiden used to do. There's something slightly high fashion about it to me. I really like weird pieces that don't always fit a petticoat, they add variety and feel like an actual wardrobe to me. Obviously, not everyone is into that and it's fine
less competition on the second hand market kek but I've already had some newbie taobao itas try to give me concrit and tell me that I'm not even wearing lolita.
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>be dark classic appreciator>put together new coord with favorite main piece>carefully balance all of the textures, matching lace across pieces, etc etc>Take photo>This is going to be so elegant gothic lolita vampire aristocrat romance>it's just black blob>Mfw>>315304This is so vague nona. Baby IW and Sheglit make the best quality blouses imo though.
No. 319959
>>279834>>279833I’m so glad in my home country that our national dress is similar to this in terms of silhouette and structure and it’s not unusual to see women wearing poofy dresses like this, even in the more modern parts of the city.
When I visited other countries and wore Lolita everybody stared at me like I was from Mars because they were all dressed in basic t shirts and jeans or shorts, I don’t think I even saw any women wearing dresses the whole time.
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No. 321593
>>321542I got into jfashion in the late 2000s and I've been friends with lolitas a long time but never got into the style myself. In 2018 I decided to finally get into the style myself and I guess it was easier for me since I was familiar with the style already and I kinda knew what the goals for my wardrobe were going in.
I decided on classic since I can wear it basically everywhere I go. I only have about 15 main pieces so far and that's fine for me because I don't wear anything outside of scrubs more than a couple times a week so I feel like I can't justify having too many main pieces since I won't wear them very often. I just focus more on having different blouses and accessories so I can change up my look and maximize how often I wear my main pieces.
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guys, someone explain this to me. what the fuck is up with the new trend of uber-short skirts being labelled as 'lolita'? Is this just ero experiencing a resurgence or…?
it's already so hard to convince people 'it's not ageplay or a fetish' this is just going to make that indescribably worse.
No. 327704
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Anyone else struggled with getting back to wearing lolita after taking a break?
I took a break from being a daily lolita at the end of last year and decided to wear normie clothes during the week for the first time in years and now I'm having a lolita crisis. I still love the fashion but I avoid wearing it because it feels like a larp to me now idk. I also really hate how everyone is so obsessed with 'aesthetics' and looking perfect at all times that it makes me want to abandon fashion altogether and dress in plain baggy clothes and not care about appearances. I feel like a materialist because of this and I hate it. I also started associating extravagant clothes with attention seeking because of social media and it's difficult to feel differently even when it comes to lolita because we of the many grifters and cows we get. I'm really torn rn.
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>>327659taobao lolita is so ugly jesus
>>327704I really like physical drop and innocent world's more casual looks they're releasing now as they feel a lot more doable as a daily style. I still have my beloved oldschool wardrobe for days when I'm in a good mood and want to dress up, but increasingly I'm also wearing my lolita cardigans with cute normie dresses and looser physical drop-style coords. It keeps the cuteness of lolita but I don't constantly have strangers gawking and taking pictures kek. Social media is not good for a slow fashion like lolita and I hate the competitive over consumption and clout chasing. When I found myself not wearing lolita as often unless I had the perfect coord and location for max IG potential, I deleted it.
No. 328813
>>328799I was specifically asking because it gets mentioned and discussed more often in unrelated or barely related /ot/ threads than in this thread itself.
>>328803Easy to ignore and it's probably just one mad retard anyway.
No. 328819
>>328792I'd be fine with that
>>328799there's literally a fashion discussion thread on /ot/ right now, where they mainly talk about high fashion brands and releases. It seems like the fashion thread on /g/ is now only for questions like "what do I wear with this skirt". Since this thread is more about discussion than helping with coords I think it could fit on /ot/ too
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>>328803Where did they get the term from then? It's already embarrassing for autistic women to dress like circus freaks, being okay of the pedo name of this style or is making it even worse.
(bait) No. 328953
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Man I just really love lolita. My first lolita brand coat is coming in the mail and even though I'll probably only have like 1 day per year cold enough to wear it I can't wait
No. 329290
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love these so much
No. 329568
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I feel like prices for lolita are starting to go down a bit, but at the same time all the decently priced stuff gets snatched up fast. Maybe it's just me, but I'm hoping this continues because I'm so tired of scalpers.
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It pisses me off how some shopping services will ask sellers for stuff like tag pictures despite the fact I specifically asked to purchase immediately. I've lost some dream dresses to that in the past because while they were waiting for the seller's response someone else bought the item.
No. 331944
>>330885I don't think there were as many back in the day, but now that there's the threat of being harassed for being "transphobic" if you don't allow obvious sissy fetishist men in, it happens more often, but like
>>331074 says, it's worth it to go to your local comm and try to interact with the normal lolitas. Sometimes then you can even form friendships and just start hanging out with them instead of having to go to the comm meetups. Also, thanks to people rsvp-ing over online platforms like facebook or discord, it's usually pretty easy to see which events creeps plan on attending so you can avoid those!
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I haven't really seen people talking about new releases much itt, but I'm so psyched for the MMM x baroque rerun! It's been getting massively scalped for a while now. Is anyone else ordering it?
>>330885My local comm's token AGP goes to literally every. Single. Published. Meet. And they're almost all in public too. I think I'll stay a lonelita for a while longer.
No. 332212
>>332063yeah it really sucks weirdos like that are allowed into comms. and they're inescapable online too, feels like there's nowhere to go to get away from them sadly
>>331944that's a good point but there's a possibility the local creep goes to every comm meet like what
>>332063 has experienced. the harassment brigades are the main reason more people don't start their own comms or keep the weirdos out of existing ones it seems
No. 332347
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>>332063yes nona it's absolutely gorgeous… I've been considering getting the white x blue tablier because I love how it almost looks like porcelain. It wouldn't be very versatile with my wardrobe tbh, but still tempting
No. 333009
>>332786They may start calling you Barbie and asking "Where's Ken?" instead of calling you Lil Bo Peep and asking where the sheep are at.
I imagine it'd be more of the same, maybe slightly better since the general public will view pink as trendy.
No. 333718
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Lolita vent: I don't understand how lolitas can be so disgusting with their expensive dresses..
I recently bought a dress of my favorite print and the stains were disclosed sure, but christ how do you get so many stains on a $300 dress?? There are food stains on the sleeves, on the pits and on the waist ties. Just wtf was this girl doing? It's like she used it as a napkin. Even a coat I bought recently had stains on it that werent disclosed but it came right out in the wash. How hard is it to wash and care for your brand? fuck.
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>>333718They treat them like everyday clothes in everything except washing. Washing your lolita shit isn't that hard either, just time consuming, the horror stories of red prints really scared people off washing printed shit.
No. 334212
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Both Violet Fane and Ladysloth are being affected by the shitty economic situation. VF is closing down and LS will have at the most two releases a year. I never liked LS designs but VF had some decent ones.
No. 335011
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>>334667Some of them are clout chasers/looking for status. It's an expensive fashion and many lolitas feel like they're special because they partake in it. Some are probably addicted to shopping tbh because I see many girls buying very expensive pieces just to sell them after one picture. With others it's like what
>>334676 said. Handmade lolita is only looked down upon when it's shit quality/design which unfortunately is the case most of the time because most of lolitas are fashion illiterate and don't under stand what makes the garment good. Especially now in the taobao era. Picrel is a well made handmade JSK imo.
No. 335043
>>334667For some people, it's more of a collection hobby rather than a style. It's most prevalent among Angelic Pretty fans. During the 2010s print obsession era there were definitely a few autists who were so obsessed on collecting main pieces that they forgot you need other things to make a coordinate.
>>335011This is so cute, I love how well finished it looks.
No. 335355
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>>335043I really hate collectors in lolita. I think it’s so stupid to drop $200+ on a dress you don’t even intend on wearing out and that will just rot in the closet until the buyers remorse sets in and they try and sell it for an absurd amount. Even worse if they can’t Coord for shit. I just don’t think it’s worth it especially with novelty shit that is expensive but poor quality like a lot of AP items these days.
No. 335658
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>>335590they're good! I've worn mine for years and they've held up well, they're comfy too. Sorry if I'm telling you something obvious but it's difficult to keep the straps up like picrel unless you pin them to your socks or something and they'll usually be around your ankles while you're walking around. The soles are obviously foam and not real wood irl, but they photograph well so maybe I'm just autistic for caring about that kek. Bodyline's main pieces may be ita because of bad quality but their shoes and some accessories (I love their rectangle headdresses) are good.
No. 335668
>>335547it's nice the fabric and lace and overall construction are still good, I hope it stays that way for as long as they're making clothes. I think most of us have sworn off buying anything new from moitie and AP now due to it basically being indistinguishable from taobao quality. I don't keep up with innocent world releases but I assume the longer skirts are popular with classic lolitas? I see a lot of them posting coords with longer skirts and dresses these days
>>335590they're ok, the pleather feels like it won't hold up over time but if you're not wearing them frequently you should get a few years of use out of them. also apparently they run small, I ordered the correct size and they're super tight on me and I've seen others complaining about the same thing
No. 337622
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Anons who have a hate boner for lolita fashion are so weird.
>>314259I don't miss milanoo but it does make me nostalgic kek I do miss when there was way less gender garbage happening.
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I wish lolita discussion would be moved here instead of on /cgl/. At least the mods do their jobs here
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>>343339same nona. personally I think it would be nice to have a womens only forum that had a jfashion/lolita section and maybe cosplay section to replace /cgl/, or even a womens only forum that is focused on jfashion. it's basically pointless going to /cgl/ anymore with how bad the board has gotten in recent years. I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discord, jfashion is dying, both of those things or some other reason?
No. 343643
>>343405>I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discordyes. Many online communities are dying because they are migrating to discord
>jfashion is dyingThere are several factors to this but but i do wonder if the rise of kpop might have affected the disinterest for jfashion on an international scale. While animanga is mainstream right now no one is enthusiastic about japanese pop culture outside of that. 10 years ago animanga community would also discuss stuff like jfashion but not anymore. I feel like kstyling is filling that niche jfashion used too
>some other reason?4chan has a terrible reputation and at some point it became synonymous with neo nazis in the public conscious which might be why women are more hesitant to use /cgl/
No. 343884
>>343643the bad thing with discord is that it seems hard finding good servers, most of the lolita and jfahsion ones are filled with arrogant itas and creepy male troons/fetishists who don't really care about the fashion itself.
I definitely think kpop played a part in it but imo the rise of fast fashion and shitty tiktok/social media fashion microtrends was the major issue.
No. 349641
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I think I might be falling out of love with wearing lolita and I feel awful about it. I still find the fashion beautiful but I don't feel like going out in it anymore. I don't feel like dressing up in any way actually and lolita seems excessive to me now. I'm not sure why. I've stopped attending meets a long time ago because my comm is full of gendies and handmaidens who talk about how empowering it is to have an only fans. I can only imagine myself in a coord if I were to be completely alone.
My entire outlook on appearance has been changing for the past year so perhaps it's not specifically about lolita but fashion in general. I'm sick of the obsession with aesthetics and trying to look as 'unique' and attention grabbing as possible and definitely don't want to be associated with that. I don't really have anywhere to wear lolita to anyway. Maybe if I was rich I'd just wear it around my huge vintage mansion kek
I'm considering selling a most of my dresses but the sunk cost fallacy is getting to me (I don't own any sought after pieces so I'd probably have to sell them for cheap or something)
No. 349646
>>349643>any tips for people just starting out?The hardest part of starting out is learning how to buy cohesive pieces and make coords. Luckily you have like 20 years' worth of magazine scans, blogs, /cgl/ archives and social media you can look at for coord inspo! Save pictures of outfits that you like, look at how colors are used and how it's accessorized. Go scroll lolibrary and make a wishlist of your favorite pieces. Identify if there's any specific cuts, motifs or finishing details you seem to gravitate towards and look for them while you're shopping. Be patient, don't cheap out or buy something you don't love just so you can quickly fill your wardrobe.
>websites that account for taller girls?dress lengths vary wildly so you'll want to check the length of dresses before you buy them. For example I'm 5'7 and I don't buy anything under 94cm kek. Having measurements of your own body will help a lot. Generally Angelic Pretty jsks are the shortest, while Metamorphose and Innocent World are longer.
Since lolita is so niche, released in short runs and small batches- it's not like most other fashions where you can go to a website and buy a perfectly coordinated outfit in one purchase. The majority of lolita clothes are sold secondhand on Japanese marketplaces like Mercari. You'll need to use a shopping service (there are plenty of guides to this online) to buy clothes from them and get them shipped out of Japan. Some common websites that you can buy from without a shopping service- Lacemarket, Closet Child, Wunderwelt, Atelier Pierrot, most major brands' websites.
and if you ever sell anything used on lacemarket for the love of God wash your fucking clothes No. 349666
>>349641This is a good chance to explore different hobbies and interests. Growing up is nothing to be scared of. I took a break from lolita for about five years because I was too busy with school and then to go backpacking, and it was nice to take a break from femininity and get in touch with my natural self. Maybe you'll come back to lolita too or maybe you won't, but there's nothing wrong with exploring different aspects of your personality.
Like the other anon said, you can set your favorite pieces aside and see if you want to come back to them later. You can also transition your wardrobe to a more casual but still similar style and still incorporate some of your lolita pieces. Regardless, you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies are!
>>349643It's long dead now, but a blog I liked a lot when I was first starting out is fyeahlolita. It has some good posts on topics like wardrobe building that are important for newbies.
Some other random tips in no particular order
>start your wardrobe with Japanese brand, at least for blouses, main pieces, and outerwear. Trust me, your future self will thank you.>The exceptions are shoes, petticoats, and bags. They're almost never worth getting brand>Take body measurements and compare them to the pieces you want to buy, make sure they're a few cm bigger than you are>Save pictures that are inspirational to you and figure out exactly what you like and what makes the coordinates work (color balance, silhouette, fabrics, motifs)>think/shop in terms of whole outfits not just the dress>Get a good petticoat at the same time you get you first main piece. Make sure they are the same shape>Hair, makeup and being clean and tidy more generally are very important elements of any fashion. Don't skip grooming and look up some tutorials if you need to. No. 349677
>>349641About a year ago I took the plunge and sold most of my wardrobe. Mostly my filler and daily wear pieces, and I kept my longer more mature pieces. I had a lot of regrets for a while, I've loved Lolita for an entire decade and wore it daily for a few years out of that so it felt like tearing out a part of myself but now I have no regrets. I dwelled a lot on it, because like you I had a change of outlook on matters of appearance, but I wasn't sure if it was temporary or not, especially since being fed up with current "aesthetic culture" played quite the part in it. What finally pushed me to do it was getting a physical job where I can't dress up (I was a student before) and being freed of my obsession with always having a huge advertisement for my personality and tastes stuck onto my body.
Sometimes I wonder if I was a coward for giving up because of social changes. But I'm just so tired of how fucking lazy people are becoming in knowing each other. It's all about what you LOOK LIKE you enjoy, and everyone who isn't obnoxious as all hell is boring with no taste. It's always been a bit like this, we are all vulnerable to the power of fascination, but something changed recently, as actual culture and involvement stopped mattering completely in favor of being fancy and online. No one cares to know you and what you like. They can't make guesses based on your personality either - it has to be obvious by looking at you. YOU have to make all the effort to be known, because Internet socialization has influenced real life in this manner. This really ruined alternative fashion as a whole to me.
But also in a way I always hated that Lolita is a fashion-based subculture. At some point I rabbit-holed into goth music and comparing both crowds made something click in my mind (definitely not saying goths are perfect, just check the goth thread). I'm not saying we should gatekeep or change anything, but I really had a hard time with "it's just clothes" and the skin-deep part being the priority. It made the whole thing feel like a theater costume more than an actual subculture.
No. 349689
>>349641I hate lolita, especially if it's worn outside in normal streets. The clash of normal grey colored surroundings and overly feminine attire is a pain.
You can sell stuff for more expensive by appealing to aesthetic though. If you use the right lighting, pictures, keywords for the outfits, some people obsessed with trying to be aesthetic on budget can buy them for close to retail price. Then again your size also matters, it'd be easier to sell a S/M size outfit than an xs or xl.
Good luck. Try not to buy new stuff to fast after getting rid of your clothes and try to stick to classic and versatile pieces instead of flashy stuff.
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>>349689kek, are you lost ?
>>349643If you want to wear it daily : pay attention to your basics/layers and beware not to become a pathological main piece collector.
The "layering system" in lolita makes up the entirety of its practicality, it's like victorian fashion in this regard. Invest in good cotton blouses of various sleeve lengths, bloomers, socks. Buy undershirts to protect your clothes from the inside (I can't stress this enough. DO IT), you can get thermal ones for the winter. Blouses with detachable sleeves are a godsend. Fyeahlolita had good advice, albeit outdated, about wardrobe building for every day wear. One recommendation was to pick a base color (white/offwhite/black) and one or two main colors that preferably look good with each other. Picrel for sweet with the colors white/pink/blue. It's not perfect i.e. having a color blouse doesn't really add anything compared to another white blouse from experience, it gives only restrictions with no bonuses. Overall these clothes are far tougher than they look - a good quality cotton main piece can still look neat after two decades.
If you just want to wear it sometimes, you can do what the others say and buy coord-by-coord.
Building an outfit is stupid easy : if it matches, you can wear it. In fact there are a bunch of lolitas who suck at fashion outside of it. You just need about an ounce of common sense and to know your measurements. About your height, like another nona said, Metamorphose and Innocent World carry the most long dresses. From experience, Meta is the one that best accomodates larger frames and longer torsos. But that always depends on the piece and how it's cut. Taobao brands have multiple sizes - I didn't buy much from them as I hate polyester, but I like Infanta a lot, it's been around for a long time and the price point is good for a beginner, and the bigger sizes are quite long.
While I'm at it, since you're asking for websites : Devilinspired is a scam. Just in case.
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>>349644Thank you anon. You're right.
>>349666>you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies areThis is exactly what's holding me back I think. I've always found it silly to attach clothes to your identity but I subconsciously fell for it. My friends and people in my life often ask when I'll wear "one of my pretty dresses" again and even mention that I dress "like that" sometimes when they introduce me. I know they mean well and genuinely think it's cool but I think it made me internalize that it's a crucial part of who I am instead of a hobby.
>>349677I relate to everything you said. I also worse lolita daily at one point and I also felt like I was expressing myself. I got into goth music too, even before I got into lolita and it always bothered me how it's a fashion based subculture. I never really enjoyed going to meets because of that, I had nothing in common with lolitas in my comm aside from wearing the fashion.
Something that's going to be difficult for me to let go of is how many people are interested in talking to me whenever I go out in lolita. I met so many people just because they thought I looked cool and approached me but when I think about it now it actually saddens me a little bit. As you said, people mostly care about what kind of person you
look like you are not who you actually are.
Thank you for understanding nonnies. Nobody irl would understand the situation so I'm glad for this thread!
>>349689Kek
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>>349727I'm
>>349666 and when I took my lolita hiatus I still wore a lot of my favorite pieces and got a lot of compliments on my style. I made a little capsule wardrobe based on that if anyone's interested.
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>>350166Also Lolita adjacent "otome" brands are worth checking out. They often go super cheap second hand too. Pic related is emily temple cute.
No. 350248
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What even is the point of lolita anymore if you're not a teen hanging out with your fellow lolita friends in 90s/00s Tokyo…it's just not fun when you're old and alone. Does anybody know whether there even still are any women wearing it in Japan?
The comm closest to me looks like the worst itas ever posted to cgl combined and it seems like they bring their men and kids…
Recently even Misako Aoki's vlogs no longer bring me joy, those meet ups look so dull, boring, quiet, everybody aging, even Mana-sama got fatter lately.. I want to turn back time
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>>350248The lack of community sucks but I will wear these clothes until I die even if I'm the last one on earth doing so kek. I have noticed- most comms suck because they're full of old fat gendies, but sometimes I see teen girls wearing lolita with their friends and just hanging out, usually at cons or arcades. They're usually tiktok zoomers in taobao but imo they have the "fun" you mentioned more than the average jaded /cgl/ user. I think there's a generational shift happening, teenagers still get interested in lolita but it's a totally different scene compared to when a lot of oldfag lolitas started (many of whom are now aging and graduating from the fashion). Lolita won't die, but I do think it will look very different in the future.
also the zoomers love Malice Mizer I don't think Mana-sama's popularity is dying any time soom No. 350373
>>350366there are tons of posts on the cow boards here shitting on women for being fat. it's always been that way and likely always will be.
>You could have just left it at gendies.I'm not even the anon who made the mana-pic post.
No. 350396
>>350388majority of the fat hatred here currently comes from women. a lot of it back then did too. fatties have always gotten shit on in the fashion - even the japanese lolitas used to poke fun at them on their anonymous imageboard back in the day. I'm not sure why this is such a foreign concept that there are lots of women who think being fat is gross and a thing of ridicule.
in terms of the fashion I think they get shit on so much in lolita because fatties have earned themselves a bad reputation by doing things such as stretching out/ruining brand dresses, buying replicas and using their fatness as an excuse, constantly screeching at brands to make bigger sizes then not buying said bigger sizes, being gross during comm meets (ordering a shit ton of food and shoveling it into their face, spilling food on their brand, smelling bad, etc), shooping themselves/denying being overweight, and generally being entitled nuisances. for the most part the fatties who are actually well-dressed and not unhinged typically don't get shat on.
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I been in 3 different comms in the last 5 years and each one has had a blatant AGP active in it. I'm so sick of this shit! And of course they never get booted because the only girls who can stand to be active enough in the comms to have a voice are the ones who don't mind or who let the trannies in in the first place!
No. 350626
>>350396>even the japanese lolitas do it, must be okay to do itthen you guys wonder why your comms are full of gendies. anyone with common sense doesn't want to join a community that's either anorexic delusional women saying any woman should look like a victorian waif while dressing lolita or perish, or gendies who wont say any kind of criticism on your face in fear of being cancelled.
>ruining brand dressesnever ceases to amaze me how lolitas think private purchases are a community asset. not even the most deranged doll collectors would consider a doll a community asset if one were to customize a rare doll to the point it is not original and untouched anymore, for example.
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Did a favorite dress 3x3 (some of these I own, some I don't)
They're pretty fun to make though.
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>>350635Then my friend was like 'we should do a most hated dresses one'
Only did brand since I felt like including taobao was cheating.
No. 350640
>>350396Everyone looks kinda fat in lolita to me tbh. Especially modern lolita with the endless petticoats and light pastel colors, everyone ends up looking pretty big unless theyre absolutely tiny to begin with.
When I look through old fruits or GLB magazines and stuff most of the Japanese lolitas are pretty stocky and have thick legs and arms, they arent obese or whatever but they don't look skinny even by western standards. I've always associated lolita with chubbiness, it just gives that vibe, but I agree that massive landwhales ruin the image of the fashion. At the risk of sounding controversial, most lolitas are itas imo, not in terms of outfits per se but you can't deny there's a lot of pretty unattractive and overweight women in the movement both in japan and the west, it used to annoy me but as you get older you stop caring so much, and just learn to appreciate the outfits rather than caring about lolitas faces or bodies.
No. 350644
>>350642>who also love yaoiBased
>and jrock and worship gay moids and men dressing in makeup and women's clothingUnbased
No. 350648
>>350248I feel really happy when I meet older lolitas tbh. The people I look up to most are old school lolitas who are in their 30s and 40s now. Of course many of then don't wear lolita on a regular basis because they have kids and studf but when they do they can still pull it off usually because they have so much experience with styling outfits and being part of the subculture.
Also a lot of lolitas age pretty well I've noticed maybe because they don't tend to be into drugs alcohol and partying as much as normies or maybe because they do Asian skincare usually. Fannyrosie is like 35 and still looks gorgeous and wears her coords as well as ever.
>>350310Hyperfeminine fits with lots of pink and frills are definitely more popular with zoomers than ever. Theres a small indie Korean lolita themed brand I follow thats targeted more at zoomers and almost every single piece they make is sold out extremely quickly so there's obviously a demand for it. But I agree the focus is less on quality nowadays and more about just the overall vibe or aesthetic. Zoomers don't care about brand and don't have the money for it either. Also they don't care so much about the rules or outfit etiquette anymore, they will mix the more elaborate pieces with casual stuff like tshirts and camis more. Fashion in general is becoming much more throwaway. Zoomers see no point in investing in a 40000 yen JSK that they will get a lot of wear out of because repeating outfits is a death sentence to them.
No. 350656
>>334667Japanese people take fashion super seriously and also (used to) have a massive cult of brand loyalty. Other subcultures like gyaru and himegyaru were definitely just as bad if not worse tbh, if you were wearing Jesus Diamante or whatever you were expected to wear nothing but JD from top to bottom, JD had a serious cult in the day and strangely still kind of does somehow despite dwindling in popularity for a decade. Same with DIA if you look at old pictures of the black diamond gyaru or whatever you’ll notice basically everything they are wearing except their shoes is from DIA. You were expected to use DIA perfume, wear only DIA tops shirts hoodies shorts belts and even jewelry, had to display their logo all over your outfit to show how loyal you were to the brand etc.
I believe it started with the Japanese shop girls who were expected to be models and ambassadors for the brand. Wearing another brand was seen as disloyal and bad form to the company so they would basically have to wear nothing but head to toe from the same brand then other girls saw it and started copying it, it became a way to prove how dedicated you were to the subculture, but really it was just a marketing ploy.
No. 350664
>>350626you seem to be inferring things I did not say. I never mentioned anything about my personal opinion on whether I think it's ok or not, all I'm pointing out is that fatties always have been and will continue to be made fun of. it doesn't matter if you or anyone else personally doesn't like it since you cannot control what others think and say.
people welcoming predators and fetishists into comms is a much more pressing issue than the occasional weight sperging that is easily ignored by avoiding certain /cgl/ threads.
>>350638some lolitas are super obsessive over certain dresses especially older/rarer ones. maybe it's an autism or ocd thing? to some these dresses are like an important historical artifact that must be preserved so they take it personally when a dress they deem important is ruined.
>>350640yeah I can kinda see that especially with all the poof of ott sweet.
I don't have an issue with ugly/slightly chubby women wearing the fashion and can still appreciate when they have good coords. obviously there are a lot that do take issue however. it's when they're very overweight yet try to cram themselves into super tiny dresses that I think looks ridiculous.
looking back at old street snaps a lot of these women would be made fun of for being ugly if these pics were taken in recent years and there has been a trend of lolitas thinking that not wearing makeup makes the coord ita which is dumb imo. I agree about appreciating the outfits above all.
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>>350636why do you hate ap gingham color scheme and ap cotton candy shop? I'm surprised picrel didn't make it on the list
No. 350671
>>350640Yeah most lolitas are unattractive because they're not normie women, that's why it's so funny to me when a chubby uggo trashes on another chubby uggo. It's like watching retards fight.
They should either not judge other women or not look horrendous themselves so it doesn't look ironic when they call out other women's flaws but we both know that the unattractive anons are the ones to mock other women the most. It's proven right every time some regular poster in a cows thread gets exposed and they turn out to be ugly fat and old themselves.
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Lolita peaked in the 2000s for me. I feel like the designs are getting uglier and making people look like giant stupid babies.
I don’t like the
>excessive petticoats
>excessively large curly wigs especially those in pink or lilac or other unnatural pastel colours
>not enough sensible use of black in modern coords to make outfits look more mature, everything is either pastel baby vomit or boring victorian dull colours like navy and brown
>trying to look too childish in general
Old school lolita got the balance between elegant and mature and cute IMO. Everything nowadays is either way too childish or way too dull and boring.
Sorry for ranting just my opinion.
No. 350727
>>350667>why do you hate ap gingham color schemeI don't like it when people mix too many pastels and I haaaate yellow most of the time.
>and ap cotton candy shopToo sugary sweet, other OTT sweet prints at least have some balance (though I'm not a fan of stuff like milky planet either) but cotton candy shop just hurts my eyes with all the stuff going on.
>surprised picrel didn't make it on the listI like the print actually! The collar could have been better and I'm not a huge fan of the stripes but the base print of the geese is very pretty.
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If anyone can, could people provide resources or places to shop for beginner/cheap lolita? I'm a newfag who was planning on getting into it but I'm not sure if I wanna go completely head first in.
I did know about things like the GLB from some youtube videos and some brands like Angelic Pretty having a store in California I believe but thats it.
I also wanna do stuff thats more simple and basic like bottom left outfit in pic. Thanks.
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>>350777When you're a beginner dipping your toe in, it will be tempting to buy cheap but I highly recommend not doing that. You will most likely look wrinkly, cheap and disheveled. If you want anything of decent quality for cheap, you're going to have to know what you're looking for already and be constantly lurking on the secondhand market for a deal, like anything else. Just invest in one good outfit with highly sought brands, and in the end if you don't like lolita, it will at least have some resale value.
Instead, find some pictures of outfits you like a lot and see what brands she's wearing. and then when you go shopping, shop for those brands only, even for the accessories like bags or socks. Make sure you pay a lot of attention to your hairstyle and makeup, too. (Compare it to snaps you like.)
As for great places for beginners to shops, there is Wunderwelt and Closetchild. They both ship internationally. I wouldn't call them cheap but average prices, although Closetchild occasionally puts up great deals if you know what you're looking for, but anyways they're easy to use and usually have a good selection.
There aren't many good resources for lolita. Unfortunately the community is very catty and it seems to be a trend that cute and talented girls who attempt to be a Youtuber or anything like that tend to get bullied harshly until they quit. There are like a thousand "beginner guide to lolita" videos and articles if you just Google it, I'm not sure how helpful any of those are, I also feel I should point out that many lolitas are incredibly dishonest and will tell you you look good even if you objectively look like terrible, for example a prominent figure in the community Tyler Willis encourages men to wear beards with their coords, so rely on your own good judgement and don't listen too much to others. You'd do better to find what you like visually and imitate it to a T.
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>>350783I did some digging into /cgl/ so I got some basic resources and even talked to some people deep into lolita.
I've heard of Buyee and Lace Market (recommendations) but I'll check out Wunderwelt and Closetchild.
I already had an idea of how the Lolita community might be so I think I have a good head on my shoulders, thank you
nonnie!
No. 350794
>>350777I second the other anon who mentioned Closet Child and Wunderwelt as good places to buy from. They have great explanations of the condition a piece is in, you won't get any surprise stains or tears. It's tempting to buy cheaper items that are quite heavily damaged but unless you know what you're doing I wouldn't try to fix them. You can buy from Taobao too, there are loads of guides on how to buy from there and which shopping services to use. You can also use Lacemarket, which you won't need a shopping service for. Altered clothes tend to be cheaper but the type and quality of the alterations will vary wildly, so again bear that in mind.
Plan out a few coordinates based on a main piece- if you can't think of any coordinates, get a different main piece. Find a color scheme and stick to that color scheme like glue (use the color of main piece plus colors of any details on that main piece and match the shades). Look up the measurements of a piece you want to buy and see if it'll fit, there's not a lot of stretch in most lolita clothing so ideally you want to be at least half an inch smaller than the measurements given, and OP, JSK, blouse and skirt measurements are sometimes different so don't assume you'll fit comfortably into all of them.
Repeating coords is normal in lolita but ideally you want a lot of accessories so you can get more wear out of them. Invest in nice blouses, ideally with a mix of fabric weights, sleeve lengths, and details. Get several pairs of socks and tights that match your main piece. When you expand your wardrobe, it's not a bad idea to match your new purchase to the accessories you already own. Make sure your petticoat matches the skirt shape of whatever you're wearing.
No. 350797
>>350794>>350796Thank you guys, but I heard some sketchy things from Taobao so I guess tread with caution.
I for one am very into the gothic and classic kind, kind of like a preppy look that's simple but I do love some jumper skirts that have unique patterns or designs.
I already have a feel for fashion already and know not to mix patterns of course, try neutrals to mix and match, use same color schemes/be monochromatic, etc. My stepmother also sews so I can ask her for help.
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>>350618That's my plan with my new comm. My last comm had a really blatant sissy that seemed to go to every. single. meet. And almost all of the public meets were in crowded places like shopping malls, so it was just too embarrassing for me. My new comm thankfully has lower key meets and a pet tranny that's slightly less dedicated and kind of almost passes.
>>350724Look at pictures from after the year 2013 time-traveler chan
>>350797I agree newbies should stick to brand as much as possible, except for shoes and bags. Since you like such simple pieces, maybe you could just get offbrand shoes. Look at a brand you like on library.org, see if they've ever sold shoes that look like something you could buy in stores and then do that. You want to be able to try them on in person ideally. Payy attention to heel height, visual weight, leather type, heel and toe shapes, and any embellishments. If you have a big budget, American duchess has some shoes that would be cute with the pic you originally posted.
>>350830>I also find most of the new sweet releases kind of hideous because I strongly dislike prints and massive skirtsBaby literally has pieces first released in 2005 in stock on its website rn?
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Mm…it looked nicer in the stock photos, I'd still love to own the skirt and tie someday though.
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>>351070maybe because it's a collaboration.
No. 351133
>>350828They haven't come with built-in petticoats for years. Very little post-2014 has built-in petticoats.
>>351115You have to just ignore them and get to where you're going quickly. Normally the bigger the group of people the less likely you are of getting harassed.
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>>351115Yeah I got harassed a bit when I used to wear lolita daily, as other anon suggested go out with a friend when you can or at least bring pepper spray kek. The amount of harassment you get will really depend on where you live imo. Living in a city I get weird stares at worst but when I lived in the suburbs people would stop me a lot more often, sometimes harassment or just rude curiosity. All you can really do is ignore them
No. 351179
>>351115Carry mace and or a gun in your cute lil purse. Don’t engage with harassers or weirdos, if they try to approach you don’t be friendly, simply keep it moving, also try to get a car or ubers/taxis more, public transport is too risky IMO especially if you are alone. For some reason I find that moids leave me alone more if I wear a mask because I feel like it kind of desexualizes and hides me in a way, so you could maybe try that. Trust me almost every Lolita I’ve talked to has gone through harassment or assault, I know girls who’ve had men try to hit or punch them, had food or drinks thrown at them, got screamed at, laughed at etc. It basically depends how safe and civilized your town is, my experience is the opposite of the above nona tbh I found in more rural places nobody cared or bothered me but in the city there are way more creeps and antisocial teens who will try to bother you.
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>>351168I feel like for a lot of people that's enough of a reason for them to buy it though, I really love DR and Celes as a character and BTSSB is my favorite brand so I'd imagine it's a nice way of showing your love.
With that being said though the collab piece I'm actually on the hunt for is the Shinku set from IW.
No. 351225
>>351198Ya one of my favorite lesser known lolitas made a video saying that even though most comments are positive towards her or just usual annoying normies saying she looks like bo peep or singing barbie girl or whatever, she’s had teenage boys throw food and cans of drinks at her, when she was going into a shop one guy screamed ‘WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT’ towards her while his gf was laughing at her hysterically, she’s had men attempt to spit at her, she’s been grabbed and men come up and start trying to lift her skirt up and stuff (so she said she began wearing shorts or culottes under every outfit in public because of this). She said that two of her friends got approached by a moid who said they both should be raped. What I’ve heard from most Lolitas I have spoken to is that 99% of the negative or serious harassment always comes from moids, for some reason, lolita fashion
triggers moids and makes them weirdly aggressive, maybe because it’s desexualised and cutesy and men chimp out towards anything that seems vulnerable and innocent.
No. 351574
>>351225I remember a lolita I followed on LJ in 2010 saying how some muslim scrotes threw literal stones at her for wearing AP. They're fucking unhinged. I wonder if the harassment is worse depending on the country? I've had people yell shit or sing at me or honk their cars but nothing ever physical. Carrying a parasol as
>>351154 mentioned is the first tip I heard from fellow lolitas in my comm when I was a newbie.
No. 351722
That's so sad, I always idolized her, if not even she can cope, how should I…
I remember reading 5+ years ago that she tried dating apps and said that she knows that if she uses a pic of her as nurse she could find a man but to her lolita is more important. But I guess as years pass by…
>>351665Are you sure? I always thought it's her eye shape and makeup plus her acting "ladylike".
This might just be my assumption but judging by her videas the japanese lolita scene and therefore her job changed a lot too. Back then she was a small celebrity, attended huge events with other lolita friends and went around introducing stores. Now those barely exist anymore, her fellow models are all mommies now (hell even butch Akira…), the few tea parties seem boring and not like she has any friends and the majority of events are in China now because girls there are the only ones still buying and wearing it.
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Does anybody remember Moon Kana? She was the og model for old GLB and a vk-ish singer. She's now also 40+ but still wears lolita (seemingly all the time). She moved to Canada ages ago, got married and had kids but her husband seems supportive and also dresses up sometimes.
Many comments on Misako's video are supportive from other women in their 40s or older who didn't give up or even only started now but if it makes you lonely and full of regrets like her… But stopping lolita because of societys expectations could also cause regrets… it's just sad.
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Found the old interview in which she talked about dating (and also quitting), it's from 4 years ago.
Pic is her at 18 but it's true that her height was rather at 30.
>Is it really OK for me to keep being a lolita?' I often wonder. While I do believe that one shouldn't worry about wearing 'age-appropriate' clothing, my thoughts still turn to age when I'm having a meal with friends who are married and raising children. 'Is it really OK for me to keep dressing like this?'>The first time she felt pressure to quit lolita fashion was at 25 years old. She had been a nurse for 5 years and was working full time at a hospital when the Ministry of Foreign Affairs nominated her to be a cultural ambassador. She switched from working full time in the hospital to part-time and in-home care to make enough time for cultural ambassador duties, but she felt very conflicted about it.>Just as I was hitting my stride with both of my careers, everyone around me was getting married. Once you turn 30, people start getting married in droves. I started getting anxious about that. As a nurse and lolita I'm primarily surrounded by women, so I hadn't met any men I wanted to date. A friend of mine recommended an online dating app to me. And as you might expect, men were really put off when I met them dressed in lolita. They'd say things like 'that's way too gaudy, you have to stop wearing that' or 'I can't bring you to meet my parents dressed like that.' I felt prejudice from every single date.Most people in Japan get married super late if at all, it makes no sense that hobbies and fashion is limited to kids only. But it's the sad truth, yesterday I saw quite a big gyaru yt channel and some of them were unironically 13…
>>351736I only came across her youtube and ig recently, do you know if she has she been active all this time or just now again?
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>>351750She stopped appearing in GLB around the mid 2000s I think, which is a shame because she was one of the most prominent models and shared a lot of her patterns. She was doing music and social media then suddenly disappeared for a bunch of years, I think during the late 10s and the pandemic, it was a bit worrying. Turns out she had just moved to Canada, married there and had two children, as you said. So yes, it is only recently that she returned online and still wears and makes lolita clothes.
No. 351767
>>351750In Japan your teen years are seen as the last chance you have to express yourself shamelessly through fashion, crazy hair, wild behavior and partying or whatever. Then you’re expected to go back to dressing boringly, go to work everyday and dye your hair back to a safe black or brown again. By around 20 a lot of people drop out of any scenes they are in and at 25 it’s really unusual for people to still be active members. I think it’s changing a bit nowadays as Japan becomes more westernized and open minded (they’ve even been putting plus size models in shop windows for a few years ago which a decade or two ago would have been practically unheard of) but in Misakos generation it’s definitely seen as kind of strange and weird for a woman to be still dressing in a Harajuku style like lolita daily at 30-40, so I’m not surprised she faces a lot of prejudice.
Japan is weird because on one hand they’re very open minded about fashion and aesthetics and you can wear the craziest most impractical stuff in the street there and absolutely no Japanese person will bother you, but at the same time they’re pretty socially conservative and judgey of a persons life stages if they’re seen to be deviating from the ‘correct’ path, even if it’s just wearing unusual clothing.
I remember reading interviews with the really old manba and ganguro girls from the 90s and 2000s, and they would say people called them scum, cockroaches, freaks and spit at them and stuff. They were also quite bullied at school by other girls and would often drop out early because of it. After a while being a crazy ganguro girl became trendy so a lot of girls started copying them. They would also sometimes purposely try to taint their own image and feed into the native stereotypes to rebel, like would not bathe, brag about engaging in prostitution and break social cues like laughing and talking loudly on the subway or gathering to sit in the red light district which also earned them a bad reputation. Lolitas have a less bad reputation but they are still generally seen as kind of weird by Japanese people.
No. 352307
>>351744There's a singular troon who comes to meets maybe once a year. People avoid the ones he goes to because he's an overdramatic hideous gay moid. The cosplay community hates him, the idol community hates him, even the mods hate him (am friends with some of the mods and they've told me outright) but they're afraid of banning him over optics because he doesn't overtly dress like a sissy and would rather just send private invitations and exclude him as if he's going to get the hint one day. It's so frustrating. Just ban his ass. Apart from that there's a singular ouji enby but she's pretty harmless.
Our sister city's comm was invaded by FTM troons and all the normal lolitas left the comm and just meet up as friends now or come to meets here. As a result that comm's basically dead.
No. 352317
>>351574Middle Eastern and North African scrotes were always the worst whenever I attended meetups in the bigger cities. They would walk right up to our group, stick their phones in our faces and film us while very aggressively asking shit like “How much for blowjob? How much for anal?” This happened multiple times. Even when they didn’t come up to us they’d scream at us from across the street, calling us baby whores and shit. And the annoying thing is that my comm is ultra-woke so we literally couldn’t even acknowledge that this happened because that would be racist or Islamophobic or whatever, so instead girls would vent their frustration by complaining about the “horrible Karens” who did nothing except stare at us on public transport. I honestly felt like I was going crazy a few of those occasions, like did I imagine that? Did no one else see them? Why isn’t anyone talking about it? It’s a big part of the reason that I barely attend meets anymore.
>>351744My comm is overrun by female they/thems and we have a history of seriously deranged sissy AGP troons but as far as I can tell, the current crop of male troons is (almost) exclusively online. The handful of times they’ve shared photos or measurements you could tell they were giant hulking ogres so I suppose they realise deep down that actually attending a meet with real women will drive home the size difference and shatter their uwu smol loli uwu delusion. Good. Stay home and keep your nasty Taobao maid shit in your filthy rooms.
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>>352549there are some longer cute coats that go down way past the knees and should help keep legs warm. you can wear warm socks underneath boots overtop of your tights, get socks that aren't quite long enough to be visible over top the boots so that it doesn't matter if they don't match your coord. earmuffs or cute fluffy hats (like those bunny hoods), scarves, and gloves can be incorporated into the coord to keep warm while looking cute. wearing a wig will help keep trap heat in too. you can wear a pair of thick tights with utks on top of them if done right - pic related is an example that looks decent imo.
No. 352703
>>352560Speaking of coats, anyone know where to find some lolita coats for chubbyish girls? I bought a secondhand alice and the pirates coat that seemed like it would fit a while ago but I sadly cannot fully close the buttons at my chest.
It gets fairly cold where I live so I also would prefer something actually warm.
No. 354406
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Usakumya looking like a domestic abuse victim
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Two stupid questions:
Does anyone know if pic related are comfortable to walk in? I've been debating about getting a pair for a while. Or maybe I should get a similar pair from American Duchess?
How much do EU nonnas usually like to mark down their packages? I've never bought anything expensive from outside the EU before.
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I wish there was more posting on this thread as the mods here actually fucking bother to delete shit stirring and ban people. /CGL/ is such a shithole now and full of bait and aggressive petty anons.
>>359649Are you from the US anon? Things are pretty bad here and expensive so I imagine that's why buying has slowed down. I'm trying to purge some things from my wardrobe just to have some extra money. I get a lot of faves on LM but never anyone actually buying despite the decent pricing. I always get sour when I see people buying ugly as sin taobao dresses that cost even MORE than brand ones. So bizarre.
No. 361374
>>360884Lolitas still exist, most of the smart ones just decided to stop fucking with comms and posting their pictures to the internet because the community is so
toxic and also now full of moids
No. 361380
>>360884>like ap, btssb, and moitie sells out of some new releases stillI'd place my bets on chinese lolitas.
Otherwise I can't blame people for deciding to buy new, considering half of the second hand market right now are retards sitting on their damaged, decade old items trying to sell them for their original price. I barely even bother with japanese second hand websites anymore for that reason. Everything cheap immediately gets bought up by the same few scalpers and all that's left are $400 dresses no one even wants. Even livejournal comm sales prices weren't that bad. I'm honestly so glad I have a more than fulfilling wardrobe already, being a newbie right now must suck so hard.
No. 362316
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I have an inverted body triangle body with medium frame but large shoulders. I want to dress in cute Lolita clothes, but I look absolutely awful in them because my body shape and natural face looks like tranny trying to sneak into Lolita. Are there any cords that can make me look a little more balanced? Most of the time, I look awful
No. 362331
>>362316Ignore the other anon, she’s fat. It’s hard to have broad shoulders in lolita because a lot of stuff will be too small for you. ime the square neck blouses with neck ties draw attention away from your shoulder width. don’t bother with oldschool outerwear, it’s made for tiny shoulders so get a newer cardigan/jacket from BTSSB or something.
if you feel like your ribcage is too wide or your torso is too long, look for low waisted dresses or do blouse + skirt coords which will always sit at your natural waist and look more flattering. avoid empire waist or babydoll JSKs and sack dresses, you will look fat.
No. 362349
>>362316I would also say for this stick to more mature gothic styles vs super cutesy sweet. I am top heavy and have a sharp face and I find when I wear a coord too sweet i can look a little manish but if i do coords that are more oldschool/gothic it works better for me. also what this anon
>>362331 said. Also I find when balancing out a larger upper half chunkier shoes help alot
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>>362316Have the same body type as u Nona.
Adding to what
>>362331 said I gravitate to dresses with princess seams like pic rel that would be more flattering since u can cinch it in where u want to than if u had a dress with a defined waist seam (ofc princess line dresses are really a line so keep that in mind). If u can lengthen the straps on a jsk it can bring the waist down a bit as well. Another inverted triangle lolita I know buys some plus sized dresses and takes them in at the waist because they tend to have longer bodices than the regular size.
If u can remove bows and such from the top of the dress without ruining it do it, and stick to blouses with simpler necklines. Ime it draws more attention to my upper half to have alot of ruffles and bows and such going on at the same time. Having a fuller petti can also help balance out ur upper and lower halves.
But all that said just wear anything you like that fits, this body type might not be the best for lolita but I'm still gonna wear it anyway.
No. 362855
>>362852I feel really similar. I have a small wardrobe although I could afford more, I'm just really picky. But even then I don't find myself wearing my pieces that much.
I have some excuses like the weather getting prohibitively colder and not always going out much, but it makes me feel sad and like I should be more consistently committed. I wonder if I had space for a more aesthetically pleasing closet I'd feel better about the dresses just hanging in the dark every day.
No. 363075
>>362852I feel similar too. I have a small-medium sized wardrobe (around 30ish main pieces) because I used to be one of those lolitas
>>362863 mentioned. It was my main hobby and I wore it pretty much daily until I got really burnt out and stopped for like a year. Now I'm slowly coming back to wearing it occasionally but it's not my whole life like it used to be. I'm so glad I didn't sell everything during that off period. I definitely wanted to at the time, I thought I was done.
I try to wear my more toned down things in other fashions like blouses and simple jsks, classic dresses as sundresses and gothic pieces in general goth fashion. That way most of my stuff still gets used, only the really OTT stuff is rotting in my closet unless I have a con or meet to go to which is barely ever. I still like all that stuff so I have no plans to sell it. Sometimes I feel bad that I'm not pushing myself to dress up more the way I used to, but I was miserable doing that. I guess it is what it is.
Maybe if you have the space you could get a dress form to rotate coords on and still look at them, even if you don't feel like wearing them?
No. 371993
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Oh boy do I have a rant. I used to enjoy lolita so much (still try to do on my own as a hermit), but it's so hard to look at what lolita around me had become. It has taken me so long to really piece together my disdain, but what is boils down too is that so many newbies are missing the fact that they are supposed to be presenting elegance. Take me back to the early 2000s.
Back then there was so much respect for the fashion as well as for it's luxury and collector value. There was more respect for foundational brands, (which without how could this fashion even be?) You never see what is happening to lolita happen with the fans of any other luxury or collector fashions. Imagine someone went a Jordans new-release drop while wearing some walmart brand, great value ass fakes, they tell the Sneaker-heads and Hypebeasts that their shoes are just as good, then they go on to shit on luxury shoe brands. You never see it, they would be shut down immediately and mocked.
And sure, self-made and tailored pieces could work, a lot of seamstresses who made and wore lolita used the glb patterns anyway.
I really think that this is what is missing went it comes to newbies in the fashion. Lolita is treated as an "aesthetic" and everyone want to throw something together fast without considering the quality of the pieces (or even if their outfit matches). Don't get me wrong, anybody can wear what they want, but they don't have to call it lolita. Now every online space is oversaturated with garbage. There used to be so much care and thought put into coords and overall looks. I miss hearing about a friend's or comm-member's coord builds. Things took longer but it was worth it, you could see that pieces were more appreciated and coords were polished. Lolitas took feedback to heart and discussion was better. You would learn if someone said something did not work.
On a sidenote, I think right now what I hate seeing the most is that wigs, hair accessories, and hats are less popular with newbies. All I see are people trying to make coords with greasy, unkempt hair. It's sad that majority of the people attracted to the fashion can't groom themselves well or invest is a decent enough wig. It's easily a turn off for me, like even simple styling can elevate a look. I don't know why someone would not want ever bit of themselves to look good while wearing lolita. I'm not sure if it's talked about anymore, but a big critique years back used to be whether or not someone looked proportional while wearing lolita. It just looks weird to see someone wear clothes that give their body a wider silhouette, without them having hair or accessories to give their head a proportional volume. (Aside from some classical looks with A-line or narrow silhouettes) Without it, their head just look small and off, and when flat greasy hair is thrown in, it's so much worst. What Victorian or Rococo era elite looked like a dirty nerd?
Secondly, I'm so tired of seeing cheap goth platforms, Doc Martens, and ugly ass pastel sneakers worn with lolita. I've even seen someone wear crocs… It never looks good, never.
No. 372025
>>371993I know what you mean. The quality, cut and lasting power of clothes has seriously declined in the last 10-15 years. So much of it is pure crap that barely lasts one wash. Goth got watered down by tiktok zoomers and now they’re bored with that so they’re trying to ruin lolita too.
I think the main problem nowadays is that zoomers don’t have a concept when thinking about an outfit. In traditional Lolita, you have to carefully think out a whole outfit, coordinate everything well, obey the basic rules, make sure you’re wearing decent quality pieces that don’t have weird addons and distracting unnecessary ugly details etc.
Zoomers don’t take any of that into account really: 100% taobao outfits are fine, even if they look cheap and are covered in weird things like unnecessary straps and crappy lace; you don’t have to have a concept for your outfit, it can be anything you decide to throw on; nothing has to coordinate or be in the same color scheme; you don’t have to obey any rules and can add or remove whatever you want etc, also no one is allowed to criticize you for this. No wonder many coordis nowadays are a disaster.
Frankly I don’t like a lot of what became ‘normal’ in 2010s lolita either: like the ugly loud patterned tights and socks, the overly childish prints, the ugly big curly wigs (especially in pastel shades), nazi tier brand loyalty and wearing everything from the same collection at once while absolutely refusing to wear anything, even one tiny accessory, that isn’t from the same collection to the point it looks
too coordinated with no personality, absolutely huge petticoats that give many western lolita tummies and make them look 30lbs heavier etc.
So while I hate what zoomers are doing to Lolita, I don’t mind it looking a bit more ‘punk’ and hand knitted. For instance I actually like the normal hair look, like just casual pigtails or whatever that you see in Fruits a lot with classic lolita. I also like the smaller petticoats that don’t add as much volume, the slimmer silhouette, the less 100% coordinated thing, adding your own personal accessories that aren’t necessary from the same Lolita brands or are off brand to give your outfit a more personal touch etc. The only Lolita looks I really like anymore are classic late 90s and early 2000s.
No. 372121
>>372025You're right there really has been a huge decline in the 2010's. Everything became so over the top that coords basically became a costume.
I also think the rise of lolita influencers ruined the fashion. Most of the newbies were getting their info from (usually wrong) sources. And those sources created hugboxes where no one could be wrong.
No. 372153
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>>371993I feel similar sentiments. Imo, if you think a plain solid coloured jsk is ugly or plain and you cannot fathom wearing the fashion and not taking pictures or gaining attention out of it, you should admit that you don't like lolita and consider staying the fuck away from the greater community. It's not just about trying to get as much attention as possible or throwing on as much shit in competition, it's about genuine love and passion and cultivating personal taste. Seeing people in the lolita community bash moitie for release a plain jsk that was perfect for beginners and had a lot of mileage in terms of wear made me really see how far the community aspect of lolita had fallen. Sure it's expensive, but seeing that stupid ugly drag moid who for some reason is allowed in our communities act all sassy about it and be a little bitch was straight up
triggering. In general, a lot of the nu-lolitas crawled in our direction being they are trend hoppers who think that the current era of alt fashion looks good, the tacky accessories, the ill fitting clothes, shit fabrics and fried hair. Also, hair and makeup in lolita is insanely easy, all you have to do is have decent hair that is cut nicely and basic natural makeup. You can even go to the hairdressers to get your wig shaped nicely if you cannot do it yourself. And some mother fuckers cannot manage that. Lastly, cannot stand people who wear sweet lolita and cannot be arsed to buy $40 shoes that are suitable for the outfit. It's not the fucking hard!!! Stick to the forever 21 clearance rank bitches!!
i swear this is the last time i repost this, needed to smooth things over No. 373144
>>355631They're not comfortable to wear or walk in at all, and they're not leather. I don't regret buying them because I got them when VM was running a sale but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a diehard ride or die VM fan.
>>371993You basically summarized what I've been feeling for the last (almost) decade whenever I see coords posted - nobody knows how to put things together in a nuanced and balanced way anymore. Unfortunately, this need to have instant gratification and validation by just buying in rather than actually working up to the goal through research and understanding is everywhere now, and I really don't think it's going to stop anytime soon.
That and inclusivity/lack of gatekeeping letting in all the lolitas at heart really fucked us over.
No. 373678
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I feel like devilinspired has ruined lolita so much. It bothers me that people think that shit is what the fashion is when it's literally just cheap idol costumes. Bring back the little bo peep comparisons, she always has amazing co-ords!!!
No. 374635
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Has Maple stopped selling their ringlet wigs? I can't find them on their site anymore.
No. 374700
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Is anyone gonna go for the Day Dream MTO? I'm still undecided on what colorway I want. The ivory is super pretty imo
No. 374704
>>374189There's been some listed to Disboard and RC, etc. Be careful what you post because many are watched for content and leaked (FZCZ, EGL, mentoring, old schooler, Lolibrary). It's better to do like
>>374203 says and get invited to small private servers.
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>>374351Perhaps you would enjoy Liz Lisa, nona? That's a brand that's very firmly in the "girly Japanese fashion that isn't lolita" category
No. 376605
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Does anyone know of any brands that make kodona/ouji besides AnTP? I've been wanting to explore the look and build a wardrobe for a while.
I would love to see the styles in lighter colors/ or with whimsical motifs. Typically, I wear classical in lighter colors, so I'd love to find something in that vein.
I adore the outfit in this pic (though I'd change the trousers), but I can't find anything like it.
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Im toying with the idea of wearing lolita again. I left in 2021 but now I'm feeling the itch again. Even if my collection is small, even if I have to handmade some accesories, even if I have to repair my bodyline rocking horse shoes I can't shut off the idea of wearing lolita again in the autumn.
I was a quiet member of the old school lolita server, anyone knows if it's still there?
No. 378013
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>>377889Im sorry about your chronic illness anona. You're right, today looking at my wardrobe some pieces made me happy and lots of ideas for coords flew. I realized that one of my problems is that I have pieces that I don't like, so I'll work towards selling them and buying some staples. I'll like to sew some basic skirts and jsks too.
No. 378043
>>378020Do you like goth styles and more mature styles? It's a matter of get used to the clothes too. You don't need a cherub baby face to rock lolita, same with your height and platforms.
You could give it a try, make youself confortable wearing it at home in weekends as a treat and explore what suits you and ofc what you like
No. 380547
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A (modern) vocaloid x BTSSB collab is a dream come true, and they chose one of my favorite Miku designs. I'm so tempted but $800 is a lot
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The other release just looks a regular release that they drew Miku wearing.
No. 380701
>>380699There's a cute ones here and there, but it honestly relies more on the character's design over the actual dress the brand puts out
Some ones that stand out as actually being cute are
>Rozen Maiden x Innocent world's entire collab set is adorable>Mawaru penguindrum x Innocent world>Kagerou project x BTSSB>AP x Shiki>Artiswitch x Meta and SheglitAnd some of the stuff in the Macross frontier collabs are cute (some of them are real ugly though).
No. 380721
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>>380692ayrt but I don't really mind that, I see it as a "cosplay made by BTSSB" and would wear it as such. I also think the IW rozen maiden collabs are amazing, but that series has designs closest to irl lolita I've ever seen in anime
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>>380721>I also think the IW rozen maiden collabs are amazingI genuinely don’t get why they were unpopular for a while, though now they’re popular of course and are expensive…but at least I got one dress from the collaboration before they got expensive (suigintou) I’d love to get Shinku’s set in the future.
The new rozen maiden collab that was done with a smaller brand was super ugly though.
No. 381624
>>380450Try /cgl/, this thread, Tumblr, blogs, personal websites etc. As
>>381376said, Discord is full of tards.
No. 392941
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I've been a long time admirer of Lolita fashion, and now that I'm making money I really want start wearing the clothes myself. I really like classic lolita,sweet lolita on the more elegant side, and 'country Lolita's. I found a brand called Miss Point and they check all my boxes. I'm pretty certain they are a Chinese indie brand, but I love their designs more then the typical mainstream stuff. They are more in my price range too lol. Has anyone here ever bought something from them? Their reviews on Reddit seem to be positive but I wanted a second opinion. Picrel is one op I'm looking at. So many of their pieces are calling my name.
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are there any actually active discord servers nowadays? i took a break to pursue other fashions for a while, and now i've come back to lolita and found that the vetted server is missing all of the people that made it comfy and cute. i'll leave an email in case anyone is willing to drop an invite, all the public ones seem to be lacking even more than vetted.
>>393471the alpstola release yesterday was cute, grabbed a black x blue. they still have some stock.
No. 393483
>>393472my chesticles dont fit in it but that's a gorgeous OP.
>>393479where do they take custom orders through? taobao?
No. 394043
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>meta order arrived
>they sent a wrong colorway
>forgot my KC
am I fucked? I already paid VAT and don't want to send it back. at least it's a color I like.
No. 394405
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>>393472Dang that OP is gorgeous. If I wasn't saving up my money I would absolutely try to grab one. I love it in white too
No. 394713
>>392941>>393479Is
https://42lolita.com/ a good site to order from Miss Point?
No. 394738
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Sage for slight retardation, forgive me if that's the case.
I want to get into gothic lolita fashion, but I don't know if I will ever be suited for it so I have some questions.
1. I'm 178cm tall (~5'10) and 64 kg (~141 lbs) (actively losing weight right now so I'll get back to 58 kg), are there any options since even most basic fashion brands don't have tall women in mind?
2. What are some affordable options? Unfortunately I live in a place with shit currency and paying 50$+ for a blouse is bonkers to me. And I see that the vast majority of the community is against buying Chinese brands which I get it in a way, but not everyone can afford some obscure Moi-Même-Moitié piece from 2001 and that doesn't help either.
3. If the answers are negative for the first 2 questions, are there any sewing patterns or tutorials that might be useful?
If not, I'll be stuck admiring from afar in the end kek.
No. 394762
>>3947381. This is unfortunately I can't help with at all. I know there are plenty of threads and guides for buying lolita according to size. Always, always check measurements, though. And there are sometimes still trial and error purchasing.
2. You can definitely buy non-burando clothing. There's just a lot of advice not to at the beginning, as baby lolitas aren't as good at sussing out of quality, putting together a coord, etc. My very first lolita dress was taobao and it worked out well for me (still one of my favorites, even compared to my burando), but I had been into lolita for YEARS before buying anything. Not all indie brands are taobao/chinese, though. I would recommend asking gothic lolitas where they get their clothing and doing a lot of research. There may also be some trial/error in purchases.
3. Yes! Tons. Some blogs even have old Japanese lolita sewing patterns. I've seen all kinds of sewing patterns for sale on etsy, too. But there are a TON of other online guides all over. Videos, blog posts, etc.
No. 394792
>>394738Gothic lolita is more forgiving when it comes to tall women, as Gothic brands tend to have longer skirt/dress length. If the lolita silhouette isn't a must, EGA long skirts are a good alternative, plus it looks gorgeous on tall women. You can cope with long bloomers if you like the 'peeking bloomers' look. Avoid Marble, they might seem slightly less expensive than other burando but the quality is appaling. I really wish i could help with taobao but i haven't bought anything from them. I recommend checking out the 'chinese indie brand'/'indie brand' tag on lolibrary. I'd recommend western indie brands but they tend to be pricey. If you ever buy burando, you can get lucky on closetchild and shopping services. LM is alright sometimes. I haven't had to deal with customs fees when buying from closetchild so far. Like
>>394762 said, there are tons of resources for sewing, including scans of old patterns sourced from magazines, FB groups and yt channels. I really hope a more seasoned gothic lolita comes by and sees your reply kek, good luck!
No. 394847
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>>394738Ngl, your height will be somewhat of an issue, but there's ways to get around it. You should really opt for longer pieces like anons have suggested. I think some current moitie pieces could work for you, the one that ones comes to mind is the longer version of silent moon. I would also check atelier pierrots brand, idk if you would need some extra bust, but they cater to larger people really well, plus they often sell longer pieces. You don't really need to worry about older 2001 pieces btw, moitie always re-released stuff nowadays since gothic lolitas hate selling their shit and tend to have smaller wardrobes compared to everyone else. I'd also recommend that you take a look at classic brands like victoria maiden, they sell stuff that could work for your height and sometimes sell stuff that is palatable for gothic lolitas. For sewing, i think the best resource is to get the book Otome no Sewing best of, you can get it pretty cheaply on etsy, but you will need to use google translate to help you along.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/853538196/gothic-lolita-fashion-book-best?ref=yr_purchases No. 395322
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>best AP prints in my opinion
No. 395351
>>395349Dump him. Seriously dump him. Not only does he have shit taste, but he's rude and disgusting and fucking negging you already! It doesn't sound like you've been together very long and he already feels entitled to insult you and put you down and
purposely make you feel like shit? It's only going to get worse. Dump him.
No. 395375
>>395349I could imagine that scrotes would be paranoid about the attention that lolita draws when you both walk down the street too. Moids are super paranoid about what people think of them and their boring dress sense is a very high indicator of that. They can't understand the idea that sometimes it's completely futile to dress in a way that doesn't draw any attention as a woman, good or bad. Aside from that, it's one of the rare fashions where being sensual and catering to the male eye has zero bearing whatsoever. Imo, that's probably why it gets called childrens fashion so much even though little girls nowadays don't typically walk around wearing puffy dresses. Idk how anyone who actively likes lolita manages their attractions with moids. It's very freeing being able to like whatever you want without having to worry about what moids think. Also, i am very sorry about the harassment you and your friends faced, i cannot comprehend why normies get so
triggered by fashion choices that don't appeal to them. Why can't they just fucking ignore it. Most people dress like shit anyways. If your boyfriend is going to be that rude about your interests, you should break up with him. It's not even just about the fashion either, it's really immature and shows controlling behaviour that likely extends much further than japanese princess dresses.
No. 395380
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>>395369it's suffering and some days it's truly just too hot but here's what I usually do
>short sleeve OPs, those cropped chiffon blouses or a sheer bolero>ankle socks or sheer tights>cotton > poly for breathability. anything in BTSSB karami fabric is very light>hoop skirt or no pettialso I know it's technically not lolita but I love styling my more sundressy JSKs in a casual way like picrel. Especially if it has those cross-neck ties it's really cute even without a blouse
No. 395406
>>395361You're right. That anon probably doesn't even wear the fashion.
>>395369I have some baby sandals that I wear with cotton jsks without a blouse or a miniskirt with a camisole on very hot days. I'm still wearing my burando at the end of the day even if it's not lolita.
No. 395740
>>395349I'm so sorry,
nonny. Dump him, like… yesterday. Being that rude over something you like that's harmless is so cruel, and I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate it if you treated him similarly. It may just be aesthetics, but that makes it even worse. Imagine gagging when your partner shows you something they like visually. Imagine how they'll react when you're at odds over more important decisions. Your bf is tearing you down.
I have experienced exes who were clearly unnerved by lolita, although they didn't seem to care for any of my alt fashion. But none of them were ever that rude about it. That being said, you can do better than a partner who simply tolerates it. My current bf supports all of my alt fashion fascinations, including lolita. He's even bought me big name brand before. He loves seeing me in it and tries to pay attention to pieces and brands. Any good partner would do the same. They pay attention to their partner's interests, and try to engage and support them in it. A good partner loves seeing their partner wearing what they like, because they know their partner is confident, comfortable, and happy. I know it can be hard to find someone who is enthusiastic like that (without being fetishizing), but a kind, worthy bf will be happy because you're happy.
If you think it'll make a difference, you can bring it up with your bf as to why what he says is hurtful. But if you don't think it'll go anywhere, take this as a red flag and flee.
>>395369Cotton blouses and skirts. Hoop skirts, I've been told, are excellent to replace petticoats, but I've never tried them myself.
No. 396332
>>395349Dump him. From personal experience this won't end well and you'll be super resentful during and afterward that this broken chromosome stopped you from enjoying something you love. This isn't the kinda thing he'll ever come around to if he won't even have a respectful discussion about it.
Totally different topic, does anyone know if there's any sort of blogpost/site/list/database that matches up either OnS or Gosurori patterns with older brand releases? Obviously it'll never be a 1:1 thing but something close in a database format would be useful. I've been digging through miss carol belle's site but a lot of that stuff just starts to blur together.
No. 396472
>>395349>hates lolita because it's childish>likes e-girl shit that only teenagers and pedo-baiters wearAnon, you are dating a retard. You are taking all the risks of being in a relationship with a scrote and you are doing it for a retard. Think about it.
>>396400If he wants the attention then he can start dressing goth as well, what a dumbass.
No. 397452
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This OP that BTSSB just released is super cute. I would definitely get it if I wasn't still trying to save money.
No. 398731
>>398589NTA but I don't think it's out of the question that the owner could have been a particularly gross woman. I've seen plenty and a lot of them are weebs into anything from Japan, which unfortunately often includes lolita fashion
>>398593Baby has been putting out quite a few expensive OTT dresses that I don't like at all, but when they actually stick to the basics they put out some fantastic stuff. I like that they still re-release their old stuff since I'm very partial to old school lolita
No. 402305
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Baby put out a nice looking floral print. I really wanted the skirt but sadly it sold out extremely quickly.
No. 403040
I've been a long-time admirer of Lolita fashion, I really want to start wearing the clothes myself. I really like classic Lolita, sweet Lolita on the more elegant side, and country Lolita. I found a brand called Miss Point in
https://www.lolitainside.com. They are more in my price range too.
No. 403048
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>>403040janeagron@gmail.com, you don't need an e-mail to post here.
No. 403597
>>403040Hi Jane, first of all, if you're going to put your email into any chan, at least make a throwaway one. We're nice here, a lot of other places would dox you in ten minutes and fuck up your credit score before the day is over.
Secondly, avoid that site you linked like the plague. Those prices don't even cover the cost of the fabric needed to make those dresses. You're going to spend a lot of money on clothes that use stolen images to advertise. That's 100% Aliexpress crap that's falling apart at the seams before you take it out of the bag. Either save up for lolita, or learn to sew.
You don't need to buy directly from brands btw. It's common to buy secondhand in lolita. Make sure you check your measurements against the measurements of that specific piece- brands have wildly different measurements and you might be able to wear a JSK from a series but not fit into a blouse from the same series and brand. Plan your outfits carefully, buy multiple tops for each skirt and JSK to get more wear out of your pieces, take care to color match everything, and don't forget to wear petticoats that fit the skirt shape.
No. 406345
>>394043 here
they sent my dress to me and I sent the wrong order back to them, they paid shipping for everything and VAT. apparently someone had a similar order as mine in my country and that's why they confused it. I got my dress and KC and they're gorgeous, also some sticker and postcards which was cool from them.
No. 407584
>>407106I agree
nonny, I am not huge into stationary but I love stickers and postcards. I am buying a serger next month so I'll put my meta sticker on it! I'm so excited to wear lolita again.
No. 409132
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I got back into Lolita this year after a long time and I’m feeling so sad I don’t have any Lolita friends. I joined the local comm and went to a few meets but it’s not very active and to be honest full of badly dressed uggos, genderspecials and turbo autists. The online comm seems so dead now compared to years ago. Is there hope nonas ??
No. 409157
>>409152ignore that other anon, it's perfectly normal to want to be around other well-dressed women in a hobby that is entirely based on fashion like lolita is. unfortunately the majority of comms are overrun with predatory scrotes/troons and their ita handmaidens. or just mentally unhinged itas in general. both online and offline is like that. what happens is that the well-dressed women who aren't insufferable whackos will form their own friend group and stop showing up to meets which leaves only the creeps and itas behind. same as online - there are invite only discords/online comms and you have to prove that you know how to coord well and aren't a creep to get in.
you'd have to get lucky and have one of those selective "secret" or private lolita groups reach out to you assuming you post good coords and interact with other lolitas online. or keep showing up to local meets - occasionally even those smaller private local groups will go to a regular comm meet in hopes there will be a few new lolitas they can befriend who actually care about the fashion and know how to dress themselves.
No. 410477
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big btssb fan which japan store should i save up to visit?
never been to japana and got all my stuff from the second hand jp market.
No. 416292
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>>413670Don't worry too much about looking too ita in your first coord anon, as long as you take concrit and improve it's fine!
Make sure to get bangs too or else it'll be very hard for a hairstyle not to feel "off", I recommend you lookup the difference between triangle/japanese bangs vs regular western bangs.
No. 417938
>>416292Oh god I’ve been growing out straight cut bangs since March 2023 and I don’t know if I can bring myself to go back, I tend to get them like every 3 years and go through a cycle of growing them out. I do have thick & full dark hair cut in a textured lob (about collarbone length) right now so it might even look cute down or in pigtails with the right hair accessory, I’ll have to play around with it.
I just got the jsk in the mail and i am in awe of how heavy & luxurious the cotton fabric is. The built in petti is so full especially after the dress was all balled up for shipping, and the construction of the jsk is just unbelievable. The eyelet ruffles just look so… expensive and sturdy. I’m just so obsessed with this dress I finally truly get this hobby after admiring it from afar for so long!!
No. 418037
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>>417938I'm glad you love it! If you feel intimidated and afraid of ruining it by washing it badly (i sure did when I started too) remember there are many tutorials and guides online!
No. 418114
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Do you need to have your account verified in order to buy something from LaceMarket? I'm a newbie at this and I want to buy a blouse from there
No. 418143
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>>418133But… apparently I need to send them a copy of my photo ID. This is what they said in the e-mail:
>(2) Send us a copy of a photo ID with ONLY your photo and name visible (Please censor other private information like address, etc.) No. 418167
Where is everyone online nowadays?
>>418114>>410943That rule is so retarded and it never stopped the scammers and aggressive chinese resellers either. In fact, the platform got worse in general. So glad I made my acc years prior. I'm sorry you have to go through it nonnas, it sucks especially if you want to bid/buy on something that could get snatched fast.
No. 419064
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I know it's been said millions of times before by other lolitas but I'm so jealous of all the classic lolitas that built up their collection in the 2010s when good high quality classic pieces weren't so few and far between. It's the nature of the secondhand market to be a little slow, sure, but since it's been confirmed by some more experienced classic lolitas that its way more common to just sell privately to other longtime classic lolitas it feels kind of painful. I need to find my way into some actual classic-centric comms. I'm a super casual lolita so i kind of dip in and out of the community every few months (usually for broke reasons tbh), which makes connecting with other people tough.
No. 419259
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Did u guys get anything from the latest meta release? If so what did u get? I got the OP and bonnet in pink. If items from the 2nd term are still available next payday I might get the green too.
No. 419712
>>413670>2003 AP ”vintage”You sound new, go make your ita mistakes and deal with it cause that’s a learning curve.
>>419259Contemplating on accessory options for an older piece.
No. 419760
>>419712She literally said she was new and a longtime lurker in the post you’re replying to, some of you really can’t hold back
>>419064There’s still a (relative) abundance of VM on Japanese sites
No. 419874
>>419259i planned on only getting the op + bonnet in navy but i really liked the picture of misako wearing the pink jsk with the blouse so i got a full set of that one as well.
i also almost missed the release and only found out incidentally when i was checking lolibrary for something else so i'm really happy about the 2nd term.
No. 420010
>>419856Nayrt and typically people just call ~2005-2006 and earlier as old school rather than vintage, vintage isn’t used frequently but I do think the term applies too since lolita is a relatively newer style. There are pieces from the 80s and 90s by defunct or older brands that people would agree on being described as vintage but mid late 90s and older are usually the only pieces that resemble modern lolita. Also old school can still be used to describe modern releases in the same style, but people specify it’s just the style.
Outside of lolita I’ve seen people on social media freak out at anyone describing anything made after the 80s as vintage so it’s probably the same line of thinking where it freaks them out.
No. 420149
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deliberated too long on buying a blouse on mercari and the seller deleted the listing im kms
No. 420242
>>419885kek did this prompt
>>>/ot/2111733 ?
>>420149Do you still have the link of the seller? You could ask your SS to contact them about it, I had success with that before.
No. 421411
>>418143>>418186Dystopian. I don't know why LM admins are info gathering. If I were a newbie I wouldn't use the platform tbh. We have no idea who admins are but users have to identify themselves??
I've heard they claim to delete it after but it's obviously not true. The point of sending is so they can compare it to other accounts to deny access like in the case of scammers. How can they do that if the info you sent is deleted? People believe anything
No. 422669
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The last couple of months I just kind of completely gave up. I'm too much of a pussy to even step outside my door while dressed up. I thought it would become easier once I moved to a big city because in my hometown everybody knowns everyone and trashtalks your entire family but I'm still scared of anybody seeing me. What if my neighbor tells my landlord that I'm a weirdo? People are noisy like that. And if anybody from work catches me, I'm dead.
Like others upthread already said, it feels like there's hardly anybody left online. At least for chatting, everybody is only selling everything. And the comm in my new city…even if I wasn't scared of being seen I wouldn't want to go because everybody looks so terrible and seems to always bring their moids and kids.
>>394738Super late, but I have the same body and it always makes me sad when people suggest we should go for ega/something long and mature instead, that's not what I started liking lolita for… I think if you're decently slim (which you are) it doesn't look that terrible if skirts are short on you, it sometimes even reminds me of the short on purpose 90s/early 00s coords. I think choosing a jsk instead of something with sleeves will also give you more leeway on how high they waist is. The "models" in recent non-japanese shows only look so bad because they're too fat (or straight up men), we don't even know how tall they are. Plus dressing in all pink, garish frills and tons of bows including socks of course will make you look more like a stuffed sausage with lots of leg than something more elegant/black.
Mana might not be a big man but he nevertheless towers over most japanese women and yet he can still wear anything because he's slender. Years ago there was a popular dutch lolita who was even taller (and turned out to be a scammer) but nobody cared about her thighs showing because she was skinny and styled herself well.
>>416292>Make sure to get bangsBangs aren't for everyone, many whites simply have too big noses for that. Old school VM often used foreign bangless girls and gave them various hairstyles (obviously on a gorgeous russian model but nevertheless…)
No. 424370
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old lolita history article from the rococo magazine, iirc it also implies some stuff about the name but maybe the google translation might be wrong
No. 424372
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3/4
almost
No. 424381
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>>424370sameanon this is what i mean it says not only, this from a 2004 lolita magazine
No. 424434
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>>422669 >Mana towering higher than most Japanese women Mana literally wears 5 inch platforms and is about 160cm tall. I'm sorry, but you're coping here. You're just not going to look right if you're over a certain height and weight in this fashion unless you focus on things that fit or get them tailored.
>>419259 Yes, Meta ran me out of cash this time around. Though I can't wait to see these new old school itas in the exact same copycat coords.
No. 424441
>>424434His female employees wear the same high shoes as him. The main point is that being skinny (and younglooking too) is far more important. So many western lolitas feel superior and brag about being as uwu short or shorter than japanese lolitas and therefore being able to wear anything when in reality they have a body like a yoga ball which also looks tragic, especially if it's all pink.
I already said that I basically quit, so don't worry about me running around hurting your eyes, I just wanted to encourage anon to wear what she wants. Chances are high that you also look like an old frilly armchair in what you bought.
No. 428077
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sorry but wtf is baby thinking with this release its so ugly
the shape the pattern the design of the sleeves the massive black seam, yuck
No. 430441
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Just bought my first lolita dress. I'd wanted a lolita dress since I was a little baby weeaboo, but I'm a westerner with breasts and thus a landwhale by Japanese standards. Never bothered to actually do research so I only found out about Metamorphose yesterday just in time for this one. I'm not sure when I'll wear it tho, maybe I'll snap one day and go grocery shopping in it lmao. I still need to get a blouse, headdress, wig (my hair is a short mess) and a few other accessories, but I'm really looking forward to it.
No. 434392
>>424381Most lolitas will deny the name comes from the novel, but it's true it does. It doesn't mean Japan interpreted the book the same way. Even to this day they love that thing and you'll see some Japanese lolitas posting about it.
>>430441Welcome, you have lovely taste! Wear it everywhere and nowhere, you don't need an occasion to enjoy it.
No. 435662
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Axes Femme has been venturing into lolita a bit and a lot of their prints are kind of cute, such as their latest Rosy Bear series, but the quality is so apparently bad even through the computer screen that I'm loathe to buy it. Why are the buttons and bow not centered along with the print? Sure, it may be centered on the bodice itself, but take the time to line the print up and center it so it doesn't look so lopsided! The OP at least doesn't have this problem, but instead the underside of the frills is just plain white. I understand that their price is much cheaper than "burando" so you get what you pay for and all, but I wish they could have just done it right, especially since it is a cute print. What a shame!
No. 435693
>>435668I'm happy for you finding your dream dress
nonny. Sell the stuff you don't want and focus on buying things that will work with this dress and a few other similar main pieces. Maybe have a look through the cgl archives at the old capsule wardrobe threads for inspo. Not saying you necessarily have to buy a whole capsule wardrobe, but even if you only have your 3 main pieces they might give you an idea of different interchangeable things you can wear with them. If you don't wear lolita super often it's nice to have a curated selection of stuff you actually really love rather than a bunch of filler pieces that will just take up space.
No. 435709
>>435693Thank you,
nonnie!
>it's nice to have a curated selection of stuff you actually really love rather than a bunch of filler pieces that will just take up space.That's exactly what I've been thinking. I'd rather wear the hell out of a few main pieces I love than settle for (albeit nice) ones that just don't hit.
I now realize some of my dresses and accessories I only bought because I considered them to be staples.
No. 436886
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I bought my first moitie dress recently! I'm so excited for it to come. While I'm fine with the other colors, I've wanted my first to be black and blue.
No. 438310
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do you anons think the old school popularity will ever wane like 2010's sweet hype did? obviously older = rarer and it'll never be cheap again. but I've been into lolita long enough to remember when "maxi pad" headdresses or black x white coords were considered ita staples and old meta was relentlessly mocked. watching the prices soar over the years has been interesting. I hate that I was a poorfag teenager back then, wish I could've bought more.
>>438053if it's something that can be fixed with alterations, do it. I don't think there's any harm in holding onto a dress just for sentimental reasons though. I have a dream dress I rarely wear because I'm too tall, which makes the skirt unflatteringly short and the waist hits higher than I'd like. love seeing the dress on other lolitas but not on me kek. if I ever find a really good tailor experienced with lolita I'll have it turned into a skirt and matching headdress
No. 438325
>>436886Congratulations!!! Some of the current moitie stuff is still pretty good thankfully, that dress in the pic you posted is cute and a classic piece.
>>438053I'd be concerned about the level of altering it would require and if the tailor would do a good job. I feel like i've gotten good at avoiding unflattering cuts thanks to trial and era and seeing feedback from other lolitas who have a similar body type to me.
>>438310I think one of the appeals of old school lolita is the wearability and for that, idk if it will fade into irrelevance like 2010s sweet did. I do think that the notion of wxb being ita was heavily tainted by all the horrific cheap lolita dresses from milanoo, sissy dresses and awful raschel lace. Nowadays most of the ita cheap lolita dresses are usually mimicking the 2010s sweet aesthetic ironically, they are popular with people who like the lolita aesthetic but don't have any real connection to the larger community or interest in it.
No. 439332
LM is down again with a weird error..
>>438310If we'll ever get the cheap days back, it will be due to even worse global financial crashes and by then, sane people will probably have higher priorities than buying lolita kek.
No. 441438
>>441290I know nu-moitie has a bad reputation, but i still recommend the re-releases. Also, Atelier boz shut down, but the designer made a new store with the same exact pieces under the brand alpstola.
>alpstola.theshop.jpVictorian Maiden is now owned by wunderwelt as is moitie. I'd check atelier pierrot since they have some gothic pieces made by lesser known brands that are cute, as well as sometimes releasing some cute things under their own brand.
>>441151Most of those people who like goth probably don't want to invest in an expensive style with strict rules. My favourite thing about gothic lolita has always been that it doesn't have a hyperfocus on makeup the way general goth styles do to carry the look and plus i am not very creative when it comes to clothes, i like being cookie cutter.
>>441299The second hand market for bpn, h.naoto and putomayo was fucked up long before tiktok due to how limited the pieces were becoming years since they went out of business or for h.naoto's case, stopped focusing on lolita. I've always been super pissed at them for that.
No. 441472
>>441446same, nona.
this was years ago but I sent my SS a Maxicmam tote and I remember getting like two child's headbands clearly from the toddler section and ??? an empty 'perfume' shaped bottle in a shoe box. I'd have more faith in a lottery ticket and it would cost less.
No. 443555
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Can’t stop thinking about the AATP x rozen maiden dress
I will own this dress
Whatever it takes it will be mine
No. 444246
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>>444226I think lolita just naturally attracts insane women due to how extravagant it is. You really have to either love the attention or give zero fucks in order to wear it and obviously you get a ton of people who are unhinged and don't care for social norms. I'd say that i wish we could have out own discord for lolita stuff here, but it's not like anons here have a reputation for being sane either lmao. Idk, what the solution is tbh.
No. 445298
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what is your lolita regret?
when i was younger and in my hyper sweet lolita phase, i was obsessively looking for some of the sweeter Emily Temple Cute pieces. i bought a plain op on a whim just because it was ETC and it fit me perfectly, but didn't suit my style so i sold it. i regret selling that dress so badly, it ended up being my exact style later on. I hate myself to falling for the Angelic Pretty sickly sweet hype.
no picture of the dress included because i can't even find the old pictures of it, i still love ETC
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>>445298I'd be sobbing and throwing up is i sold this. I think my regret is buying that taobao paper doll dress that a lot of gothic lolitas were wearing a while back. It looks cute in pics, but the dress being $60 should have been the warning sign that it was going to be shit. And low and behold it was shit. Borderline party city crap. The print on the dress was blurry and you could tell that the dress itself was not going to hold up on the wash because it was one of those fabrics that was white on one side and coloured on the outer side. I am more so disappointed than regretful tbh because the concept of the dress was 10/10, it's just the execution that left much to be desired. At least it sold on lace market fast.
No. 445654
>>443555The print really surprised me with how good it is. I love it a lot but I'm a bit disappointed in the cut. I wish they had picked anything else than a long skirt with an unremovable plain blouse. I know they've done cuts like this in the past but something like one of the koitsukihime cuts would've been so much better.
>>445463This is my main regret too. It took me a while to develop an eye for quality and after I got multiple brand pieces it was such a drag to sell almost all of my taobao things. Some lolitas in my comm have been wearing lolita for about 10 years and yet they still mostly wear taobao/bodyline. It makes me wonder why they're not interested in switching to something better. On a smaller scale I also regret only buying the cheapest 2nd hand brand main pieces at first. The quality was great but after a while I still didn't have any of my actual wish list items and 10+ meh to cute dresses instead. Prioritizing only buying things I really love instead of things that are just a good deal and kind of cute improved my wardrobe a lot.
No. 445684
>>445298Passing up a $80 old school op that was rotting on lm for ages because I was bigger at the time and it wouldn't fit. Haven't seen it for sale since but it would definitely go for more. Also seconding starting with taobao. Ordered a massive haul of super sweet stuff only to have my style take a 180 and selling it all…
I somehow still made a small profit though I really don't like the aesthetic tastes of Chinese lolita at all tbh it's too over designed
No. 445806
>>445787I theorize it happened around the pandemic when alternative fashion became mainstream and "gatekeeping" the fashion from shitty cheap quick fashion brands was considered classism or some other dumb shit.
That is to say not all taobao brands are bad, and some brando quality has gone downhill after they started switching to polyester fabrics, however theres no denying that taobao is a very vague term, and could apply to the very same manufacturers that produce cheap sweatshop fast fashion found in sites like shien or amazon.
No. 445839
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>>445787Idk I've seen taobao and bodyline be acceptable lolita even back when I got into lolita in 2009. That said, it had to still follow some basic guidelines.
Modern clolita looks like costumes and that is the "lolita" most normies and zoomers have in mind. I hate that this stuff gets called lolita and accepted in the community now, and that IS a post pandemic thing, plus influenced by people like lovelylor saying fuck the rules and go buy from DevilInspired. The most popular "lolita" account on Xitter with the mainstream is MyLolitaDress and that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about, sure ita stuff has always existed but at least back then it tried to look like lolita (lacemonsters, black and white, maxipad headdresses). Now it straight up looks like random stage costumes
No. 445841
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>>445839>Now it straight up looks like random stage costumesexactly this. the fun part about lolita dresses, regardless if theyre OPs or JSKs, is their flexibility to coordinate into multiple outfits. With these costume-esque dresses, theyre made with a set coordinate in mind (usually comes with matching accessories + shoes) so theres no freedom in matching and altering the dress with other pieces. It takes out a lot of the fun from lolita, and it makes it more like a cosplay kit which is a big antithesis for lolita fashion
No. 445906
>>445895Exactly. I'm grateful my comm keeps out the sissy fetishists and we have no males bothering us, but we still have a bunch of tifs and thembies, plus the normal women are all loudly anti-
terf so I never feel fully safe knowing I'd be kicked out instantly if they knew my views despite being part of the comm for a decade.
No. 446251
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>>445839>black and white, maxipad headdressesI love these things though…black x white isn't automatically bad.
I don't like taobao lolita stuff but to be fair a lot of brands trying to pander to the Chinese market put out stuff like this nowadays (especially those hideous wedding dresses by BABY)
I just miss when hime was more lolita+himegyaru as opposed to obnoxious costumes with too much shit on them.
No. 447026
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Should I give up Lolita/jfashion if I'm over 170 cm? It's beginning to feel like a lost cause. I pretty much only want to wear old school.
No. 447086
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>>446251Well I was talking more about how ita back then looked more like this, whereas ita now doesn't even look lolita inspired. Like a lot of taobao dresses that everyone tags as lolita, I wouldn't even be able to tell they're attempting lolita without the tag
No. 447240
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I haven't worn gothic in a long while. I need some honest concrit. Are Keras still in? Or are they out of style?
No. 447306
>>447026it's possible but good luck, old school is definitely the most challenging style for us tall lolitas imo. Personally I hate peeking bloomers and just let my skirts be short, OTKs can help feel less "exposed". High waist cuts are the devil though it depends- BTSSB babydoll is flattering and cute on me but I've gotten some really badly fitting pieces too. I feel like it's the combination of too short + high waisted that can look really bad.
>>447138>33' bust>fatshort girls have it so easy what the fuck
>>447240I feel like for a while they were super oversaturated and they became the stereotypical old school shoe, so they do feel a bit outdated. I feel like I don't see them as often. But since lolita trends don't matter in the same way as normie fashion they're not necessarily bad or anything. Wear what you want
No. 447421
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>>447343>>447306>>447295>>447246I was planning to wear it with my moitie jsk. I can see that Keras are a bit overrated now, they're popular with the egirl/ new goth crowd. I also have some black mary jane pumps, which might be better for the coord
No. 447422
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>>447343platforms are an old school staple though, i think it could work for a gothic coord. there are worse ita shoes out there anyways like koi footwear or generic ballet flats
No. 447431
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>>447421yeah it wouldn't necessarily be ita to wear the demonias but pumps would be a better match imo. My keras has been sitting in my closet gathering dust for a while because I'm just not a fan of the platform shape for some reason? it always feels like the proportions don't really work with lolita. I do still wear my crux 07s a lot. they've still got the cute round toe and I like the flower/scalloped detailing. much comfier too
No. 447685
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I hate decorative corsets so damn much, especially when they're plastered on the front of a dress. To me, it takes an otherwise cute design and makes it look like cheap hottopic-tier trash. I hope this design choice dies out.
No. 447690
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>>447431Those are a cute shoe. They have a classic look and look so comfortable for walking.
>>447240>>447421You might also want to take a look at the gothika-09. I think they're a better match for the jsk.
No. 447844
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When ordering from Japan via proxy, they always sent my package straight to the customs office if it contained a handbag and notified me through e-mail that they're required to do that.
I'm about to order an expensive dress and wanted to get a headdress to go with it, does it qualify as an item that they're required to notify the customs office about?
The headdress is cheap, I don't want to spend a fortune on customs just because of a hair accessory.
No. 447947
Where do you get your shoes? I'm seeing some on Milanoo, 42lolita and Lolitain, but can I trust them? (I know Milanoo was the peak of ita back in the day and before I got into lolita)
Obviously I want something good quality and long lasting.
>>447093 What cuts and brands do you wear? I have the same issue with bust size.
No. 447999
>>447138You aren't fat just slightly chubby if anything. You would fit a japanese large size. If you lose 10lbs you will fit into anything you have good proportions nonna be proud.
>>447240Tiktokfags from 2020 ruined them for me go for
>>447690 instead. Demonias have gone down in quality anyway.
No. 448810
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International Lolita Day is tomorrow. What are your plans?
No. 448989
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>>448810I think after years of being mostly a lifestyle lolita, I just don't celebrate ILD anymore. Everyday is already lolita day (and I love it)! ILD itself almost feels like a relic of the livejournal days, a blog prompt more than a holiday. The last ILD meetup I attended was a winter one 2 years ago now, and I only went because the meetup activity sounded fun (which it was). I've transitioned more to being mostly a lonelita, so I had quite forgotten that ILD was upon us already with no one to remind me. It looks like one of the comms in my area is holding a swap-meet for it; likely it will be the same people offering the same wares as the last few swap-meets, so I've no interest in attending. As for my plans today, I am meeting up with some (non-lolita) friends at a cafe to discuss music we like/the local scene. Not sure yet what I'll wear, but I might take the opportunity to wear Christmas/Wintery prints while the season is upon us.
No. 449750
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RPA prints always look off to me. These cats are creepy.
No. 451191
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>>448810My comm had a meet at an iceskating ring in our area. I loved that it was decorated for the holiday season, too. Overall, I had a great time. And I also found out that another member is a fellow fujosister kek.
No. 451467
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>>451290Read that sentence again, but slowly then maybe you will get the point
>>451443Go back to 4chan
No. 451634
>>451467This is a patten of a brand design, dumbass. Good job proving me right, you couldn't even remember your own argument.
The problem with modern western lolita is that they don't care about supporting the brands that built the fashion. This is why cheap taobao shit is all over the place and why actual brands are closing shops and disappearing.
No. 452896
>>452481Start with a smaller project like a skirt rather than jumping straight to a dress. I usually see petticoat get tossed around as a starter project, but unless there's a specific type you want (e.g. I just finished a cotton/flannel reversible one for colder weather) it's now become so cheap to buy a reliable one with decent materials that it's harder to justify making your own given how much startup costs are for sewing projects.
Depending on where you are, some libraries offer lending programs for sewing machines, or sometimes craft studios have open studio hours for access to their machines for a couple of hours at a time. I've also taken community college classes in fashion and got some of my personal sewing done whenever there was downtime or open lab hours - mine had industrial straight stitch machines along with sergers, which is all you really need.
No. 453813
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>tfw genuinely nostalgic for 2000s ita because those were the girls i would feel jealous of as a kid when i didn't know any better
The cheap shiny satin, the raschel lace, smudged pencil eyeliner with no other makeup, the greasy bangs, the Demonias, the fishnets, the random plushies, the occasional neon wig from a local costume store…
No. 456158
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What's up with western "lolitas" and putting on the most god awful 50 pounds of makeup on Earth
No. 456399
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Anyone remember when the Amuse Alpacassos were big amongst lolitas? I regret selling my collection, they were such cute plushes! The sad part is that they aren't made anymore. I wanted to start collecting again, but unfortunately my only route will have to be hunting for resellers on ebay of mercari.
No. 457015
>>456554I love that animation! Thank you
nonnie, it's so nostalgic~
I've seen some cute coords with the alpacasso too. I've even seen alpacasso used for to make little bags. If I can get multi of one kind, I'd like to try that.
No. 457225
>>457019Thanks for the tip,
nonnie! I'll keep a look out to see when Amuse puts anything out. I've been searching some websites and I found some left over stock, but they're mostly the minis. I'll be happy to get my hands on a mid-or large sized plushes
No. 457986
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I'm assuming that most of this thread aren't apart of a comm/are lonelita. My question is were you always solo or did you have a breaking point where you wanted to leave your comm to be alone?
No. 458296
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>>457986I actually joined a comm as soon as I started wearing lolita. It's full of drama, which made interacting with them stressful. Just constantly on edge and scared of saying the wrong thing, or dressing poorly, and getting shit talked online or posted to /cgl/. I still go to the big public meets occasionally to meet new people but yeah, there's men and people who don't know how to dress. I feel embarrassed to be around them which ultimately made me stop trying to be an active member as soon as I left my "newbie" stage. Plus most of the comm is into chinese brands only… it feels like I wear a different fashion from them, and we don't really have anything in common outside of lolita either. 90% of time I'm wearing lolita by myself or when hanging out with normie friends.
having a lolita bff to twin with is a dream of mine though. maybe someday…>>458022it sucks but I really recommend joining the comm, at least temporarily. I had the same fears as you but after going to a few meets, I got invites to smaller, private groups that are much more chill. There's probably a few well-dressed lolitas in your city you just have to find them and maybe suffer through a couple meets with trannies
No. 458591
>>457986My situation is similar to
>>458166where I’m still technically in the group but I don’t attend meets anymore. I still post coord pics and occasionally buy or sell stuff so they haven’t kicked me out, but I’m at a point where I haven’t even met most of the regular posters in the comm discord. And, considering they’re overwhelmingly gendies who introduce themselves by posting their laundry list of self-diagnosed disorders and usually own one or two (godawful) Taobao dresses at most, I don’t really feel like I’m missing out.
I stopped attending meet-ups when I realised that 1) I didn’t actually enjoy them and they felt more like an obligation and 2) I was deeply embarrassed to be seen with my comm and spent every meet praying that I wouldn’t run into anyone I knew. Not just because they looked bad (though most of them did) but because of the way they behaved. One time I ran into a couple of coworkers during a meet and they were completely bewildered to see me with my comm. They genuinely could not wrap their minds around the idea that I would willingly socialise with these people and came up with the explanation that I must have been volunteering with some kind of organisation that arranges outings for intellectually disabled adults. I began to ask myself what I even have in common with 99,9% of my comm, considering that the way we dress is barely even recognisable as the same fashion, and came to the conclusion that there was no reason for me to continue attending meet-ups.
It was a good move for my wardrobe, too. Once there was no pressure to fit in with the rest of the comm and to dress ‘lolita enough’ it was easier to focus on clothes I genuinely liked and wanted to wear, even if they wouldn’t impress most other lolitas. My taste is very toned down classic and gothic with a hint of aristocrat whereas my comm is almost entirely sweet, so I always felt very underdressed and often people didn’t even recognise my coords as lolita. I started putting together more costumey coords just so people at meet-ups would stop asking me “who I was there with” (“you’re not wearing anything I recognise as lolita so the only reason you’d have for being at a lolita meet-up would be to accompany an actual lolita, right?”). As a result I ended up with a bunch of coords I would only ever wear to meet-ups, which made me feel more obligated to attend meet-ups I didn’t truly enjoy and that became a weird vicious circle. Now I only buy clothes and accessories for myself and I’m much happier that way. It’s actually kind of funny to see the reactions I get when I post coord pics in the comm discord; the majority of regulars scroll past without comment but it brings a bunch of other gothic and classic girls out of the woodwork who never really post otherwise.
A surprise month of Hellmas is now in effect. For the rest of the month of December, VPN posting will be banned.