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No. 208345

Since /cgl/ has been invaded by scrotes and trannies, let's discuss general things about the fashion here, from new releases to your dream dress. Share makeup looks and diy's, or your favorite coords. Talk about the comm you are in and your lolita friendships. Ex lolitas and newbies are welcomed too. Etc.
For drama, check out the tread on /w/: >>>/w/143376

No. 208346

Thank you anon, i wish we would all make the move here.

I'll make the first move then. Does anybody else just think the new wunderwelt site is so hollow and devoid of the soul it used to have?

No. 208358

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Thanks for the thread anon!

I’m very excited for AP to start up the Nakayoshi Bunny MTOs whenever it happens. I’m really hoping the AP prophet was right and we’re getting all the color way choices.
Also hoping AP USA sends out Sugary Carnival soon, I’ve been so excited since I ordered it back in January.

No. 208359

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I haven't dressed up in ages and my closet is still full of stuff, mostly from before I had distinguished my current tastes. I have major nostalgia for some of the old bodyline, as well as old school and punk lolita. Some taobao brands seem to hit the mark with it, and I'm not too spergy about the exact skirt length as long as the overall silhouette works out well.

No. 209597

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I've never worn a lolita dress in my life but I love gothic lolita so much. I don't want to buy dresses right now because I'm overweight, but I'd really like to own one someday. I'm afraid to because it can be so expensive though. also the community looks kind of terrible.

No. 209610

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I kinda been into lolita since I was 14 (I'm 28 now) but the thing is that I only wore (handmade) lolita when I was a teen and never again, but still followed it pretty closely by going to CGL, BTB, being up to date with the current trends, doing art of it, dressing my dolls in lolita, etc etc. It's so weird (but not in a bad way) how much has changed since my teen years. I don't call myself lolita since I don't use it, but since it's more accessible to me nowadays as a latamfag, I might actually try to dress in lolita again when I get a new job. I just need to lose my lockdown lard as well lol
I also bought some cute fabrics a few years back when I was planning on doing handmade lolita for me again, but I don't even remember why I didn't follow through with it. I still have the fabrics, but I bought it for me when I was way thinner, so once again, I need to become thinner again to start sewing. I also dream of doing something like this >>208359 and sew cute clothes for me and my doll to match. Especially printless classic lolita! Printless is so underrated. Mary Magdalene is one of my favorite brands.

If you fear the community, be a lonelita, anon. Using the clothes for yourself can be so rewarding, even if it's just for a quiet self care day at home. Lolita is more affordable than ever nowadays due to chinese brands (you gotta search for the right ones though, or at least manage your expectations for fabric and prints). Also as aforementioned, you can always learn to sew! A cute, ruffled square skirt is so so easy to sew, and paired with a nice blouse (that you can splurge a bit more since it'll be a staple in your wardrobe and you'll complement it with cheaper skirts/jsks) can go a long way.
Like, buy 2 nice blouses, one black and one white, same for socks and shoes, nice thrifted accessories and look for the dresses or skirts on taobao, second hand or make them. It can be a nice hobby learning how to sew!

No. 209611

RIP, same.

No. 209629

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I've never worn lolita myself but I've admired the fashion from afar for like a decade now. Now that I actually have money I want to get into ouji, I love the shorts, hats, and vests. It's such a dreamy fairytale prince look. I have a fairly androgynous body so I think I can pull it off without looking too much like a sad fakeboi. It does seem like the community is overrun with them nowadays.

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I really love lolita, been wearing it for almost a year now and no other fashion I've worn has ever made me happier. Never felt the need to join a comm or anything because they really do seem shit. My closet is like 90% Baby and Meta mature sweet but I need to get my hands on more old school

No. 209640

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What are you guys' favorite lolita style?

Mine is classic, especially Rococco inspired classic rather than Victorian. I love Victorian too, but the baroque exuberance is so nice to my eyes. Bonus points if it's in ivory or reds. You can hear hapsichords playing when you look at some of these coords lol
I loved a while back (I wanna say 2015 but I'm not sure) when OTT classic was in. It was a bit too much of course, but the coords were pretty fun and creative.

I guess my least favorite is OTT sweet, especially those from like 2011-2012, but I don't hate it nor find it embarrassing or anything, just wasn't my thing at all.

No. 210534

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I swear to God there was a Dear Celine reseller shop on AliExpress, but I can't find it at all. Maybe it has been deleted. I love their prints, but the resellers outside Ali even on ali mark it up too much.
Any cheap taobao shopping services recommendations? It's been such a long time since I used one, I don't even remember its name now.

No. 217696

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This is super autistic, but I'd really love to see a coord inspired by the dress Elizabeth I wore in the "Armada Portrait." It's black and pale pink with pearl trim and bows as accents. Picrel is a historian wearing a replica (since the colors are harder to see in the painting because of its age.) If someone made the dress shorter and changed the sleeves, it could be a really nice gothic Lolita dress.

I like the idea of history-inspired lolita dresses in general. I think lolita and Rococo in particular have a lot in common aesthetically. The maximalism, the pastel colors, and intricate designs are all qualities they share.

No. 217733

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I very much more prefer Chinese brands compared to Japanese brands. Im tired of seeing the same prints and shapes. I know Japanese people are faggots and hate anything that’s not traditional but I really like how China has brought back older styles. Also much cheaper. Thanks cheap labor.

No. 217734

I think it looks cheap and like a costume.

No. 217736

It looks like a cake, I like it.

No. 217740

I bought a skirt from the thrift shop that is clearly some coord Lolita fit but I only have the skirt so I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on what to wear to with it. It’s white and fuzzy with pink ribbon trim little shorts inside that have lace trim with cupcakes and forks

No. 217757

Serious question, do you wear lolita anon? I love a lot of the stock photos Chinese brands put out but I've bought from them before and almost every time it turns out to be cheap garbage (not that Japanese brands are perfect either to be fair) and I sell it. Do you have any brands you personally recommend?

No. 217761

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I agree anon, although that pink dress isn't really up my alley.

I think Chinese lolita brands get a bad rep because China, being an industrial superpower, is just producing SO MUCH stuff that lots of it is bound to be garbage. People consequently overlook the small handful of great Chinese indie brands and lolita influencers. I find that a lot of Chinese lolitas are more likely to try weird things out that Western lolitas wouldn't while still holding themselves to a high standard of effort/investment in creating a great coord.

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I do, I cycle around 3-4 coords at any moment since I focus more on cosplay than Lolita. They're both expensive hobbies.. If you don't mind the upcharge DevilInspired is a taobao reseller. Shipping is the worst but whaat isn'[t at the time.

Brands I Like
ElPress (My OG post was Elpress)
Long Ears Sharp Ears
Classical Puppets


Yes I agree anon! I find the way they are making longer silhouettes now. I've even seen some without wearing pettis,

Also some Chinese lolita is NOT cheap or bad quality. Pic rel is a classical puppets wedding release. Its sold for around ~2k in western market.

No. 217790

This dress is gorgeous. I'm tearing up!

No. 220402

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I'm annoyed that old school has become a trend
I became interested in lolita when I was 11-13 because a goth fashion magazine I read would sometimes include it but only bought my first few pieces last year
I hope I don't offend any other lolitas but I can't get over how hideous I find most new releases especially ott sweet
either that or there's just something 'off' or boring about them, I only became interested in the fashion through old school and tbh I was quite shocked when I did more research and saw how it all changed and now old school is highly sought after and expensive so I can't actually choose things that I like most of the time
I started altering normie and vintage clothes to make up for it since I'm not active in my comm so who cares as long as I like it

No. 226227

I was so disappointed with this rerelease. Them swapping out the velvet fabric ruined the sweet fuzzy charm of this dress.
>there's just something 'off' or boring about them
Most of the time is the fabric chance from cotton or even velvet to fucking polyester (plastic). Also there is less cute little details.
Not buying new AP anymore tbh.
>now old school is highly sought after and expensive
Dw, the trend will die out some day, just be patient. Also keep in mind that you can still find oldschool for dirt cheap if it doesn't fit the cliché vision of oldschool zoomers have. Just like how they stick to a very narrow version of what "y2k" fashion was, they do the same with oldschool. They chase after the black and white aesthetic, and completely left out printed dresses of this era. I'm thinking about these strawberry AP prints for instance.

>the community looks kind of terrible
Just avoir online comms and /cgl/, local comms tend to be fine in my experience. I never got into drama in the 2 different comms I've been in.
You can also be a lonelita.

No. 226241

Hey nonnies. I’m sort of new to jfashion. Do you guys know any websites like closetchild but in the US/China? A lot of the stuff on lacemarket & eBay are really expensive compared to closetchild. Right now I can’t use it so I’d appreciate the help.

No. 226314

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I don't think old school is that expensive outside of the stereotypical BTSSB blackxwhite stuff, like >>226227 said. I wish it was though, because I have a couple of early 2000s pieces I've been meaning to sell.

There have been a couple of attempts at duplicating closetchild in the US, but it hasn't worked because we don't have the density of lolitas required. Closetchild's model relies on people being willing to take a loss on selling their clothes in exchange for convenience.But in the west, you'd have to ship your clothes to the reseller anyways, so you might as well list things yourself. FWIW though, you can make offers on lacemarket. When I was starting my wardrobe I'd look for people selling multiple items and ask if they'd do a 20%-30% discount if I bought several things at once. It almost always worked as long as they weren't really hyped up pieces.

No. 226556

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I love rococo style, Mary Magdalene's Fleur Antoinette is one of my dream dresses.

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though I would probably get it in a lighter colorway, I think all of them look pretty cute

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AYRT and same! I love it so much. MM in general is so underrated.
I think this is my favorite colorway, although I agree with you that they are all lovely.

No. 226567

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I love classical dresses in burgundy and navy, but I like sweet dresses in darker colors too. I also really like old school, but its hard for me to find a dress I like.

No. 226575

Ahh so cute with the bonnet! Mary magdalene is so tastefully tailored, ugh I can't take it. That color and the sax colorway are definitely tied as the prettiest, imo

No. 226811

how do I learn to pattern draft and sew lolita dresses and accessories?
I like designing dresses and drawing them but I don't know how to go about actually creating these dresses to my proportions
I've tried asking /cgl/ and they were really hostile plus using search engines mainly links me back to deleted livejournal or tumblr posts
any advice is helpful! like best fabric materials, where to order custom printed fabric, where to get cute lace, resources for pattern drafting and learning to sew etc

No. 226824

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For patterns, start here: https://misscarolbelle.wordpress.com/list-of-patterns/
I highly recommend Otome no Sewing.

Best fabrics: High quality cotton, velvet; fabrics that are not shiny or that don't look too costumey. For custom printed fabric, it depends from country to country.
Cute lace: Check your country's fabric and craft stores. There are some stuff on AliExpress if you know how to search well. Buy cotton lace, avoid polyester scratchy lace at all costs, it just look really cheap on the end result.
There's a lot of lolita tutorials on youtube, especially for skirts since they are the easiest. Begin by doing a rectangle skirt with ruffles and go up from that!

No. 226946

thanks nonnie that link with all the patterns is super helpful
maybe I'll get some cheap fabric and experiment with the simpler ones until I understand how to alter the sizing and stuff
yeah I was told avoid polyester anything, and I've heard taobao lace is good but I have no idea how to navigate taobao lol

No. 227498

OK this might be a completely retarded question but: Every time I wear lolita, my cat attacks my clothes. I think lace and ribbons and whatever the hell petticoats are made out of trigger some kind of primal instinct in her because she doesn't do this with any of my everyday clothes. How do I get her to stop???

No. 227719

RIP to your lolita, nonna. I had a cat who couldn't resist puffballs on my jfashion.

Have you tried any of the following? Spray bottle with water everytime the cat attacks the clothes, spraying cat repellant on your clothes (wouldn't risk my burando with this), cat nailcaps.

No. 227859

I really don't want to spray stuff on but I might have to at this point. I keep her nails trimmed very dull, but the real problem is that she bites it!

No. 265801

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How do you wear your hair nonnies?
Personally I don't like wigs and haven't learned how to do ringlets yet so usually I just wear my hair down but I think it ruins a lot of coords, especially when I'm just casually in public.
Unpopular opinion I guess but I don't like coords with pigtails, 99% of the time it just looks ageplayish and retarded, unless it's styled very well and is clearly meant to be elegant. I'm considering getting a bunch of rose hair clips and wearing them for everyday coords, kind of 90s/00s inspired I guess.

No. 265859

if your goal is to create your own designs, rather than adjusting already made patterns, learn basic patternmaking techniques such as creating slopers off of your measurements and developing patterns for your designs with dart manipulation and slash and spread
you can start with paper and then use cheap fabric like muslin to test your patterns

No. 265989

If you don't want to fuss with hair a lot in addition to your outfit then you could just sleep with it in foam or pillow rollers the night before for some nice curls, I think this ends up looking really nice with classic if you just add a few simple hair accessories and there's no need to do complicated styling with it

No. 268898

I refuse to use cgl anymore, opinions on bodyline rocking horse shoes? I really want a pair.

No. 268908

they're fine, personally i found the foam heel kind of ugly though so I'm going to replace mine with some Baby RHS lookalikes with real wooden soles instead. They're super comfy to walk in though! Also the straps don't stay up on your legs at all so you'll be wearing them with the straps wrapped around your ankles 90% of the time lol

No. 269048

Every time I try to go back to /cgl/ for a browse around I'm reminded of how much more dogshit it is now

No. 269739

>go on /cgl/
>coomposting, moid posting and other shit.
How the fuck does anyone use that shite?

No. 273206

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I need to sperg about this, sorry. It annoys me so much when newfags and sweetfags (no offence to sweetfags) call any coord in black and white gothic. Picrel somebody posted this on tumblr and captioned it with "gothic" kek. Obviously, not a thing about this is gothic, it's just sweet with ott elements but in black and white, but still very much sweet. Anyway, not attacking this girl, her photo probably got reposted anyway.

No. 273238

It's a shame that so many sweetfags act like everything HAS to be pastel candy vomit to be sweet, sweet cuts like this look better in darker colors anyway imo. Picrel is cute, especially the collar details.

No. 273629

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I know /cgl/ has been a cesspool for a while but it's particularly bad right now, I hope this thread gets some use.
Anyways I love the print of this release but not particularly a fan of the bodice buckle details… Would be an instabuy in the emerald colorway for me if it came in a skirt cut (and I might just buy it anyways kek)

No. 273640

Damn, this is insanely cute. Right up my alley. Any witchy cat print is automatically cute.

No. 274643

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I'm so stupid.
I bought an old rare dress for much more than I have ever spent on lolita before (I'm a poorfag) and now that it's here… I can't zip it. My ribs are too wide, it's literally just my ribs because I'm thin and my boobs are small. I've worn old Baby and IW dresses before so I didn't think the difference would be so huge with VM. I really wanted it and I won't be able to resell it for the same price. I guess I'll have it altered at the back, behind corset lacing so it's hidden.
This is lowkey making me feel like a whale though

No. 274711

do u mind me asking which dress? or specifically the material? VM and MM can be pretty restrictive, but if you wear oldschool IW, im a little surprised.

No. 274727

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Not at all, it's made of twill. There's a velveteen version that came out a year prior (2001) and apparently it has shirring while this one does not. It's just a bit but it's too small on my ribs but quite lose on my waist. I guess it's because of my height (this one is supposed to have a dropped waist)

No. 274961

Agreed. The pastel vomit sweet looks are hideous. Bring back more cute, simple details like this. I wish brands would do more skirts in general too though.

No. 274965

Question for the community: Where did it go wrong and what can we do to gatekeep troons and fetishists?

I block them on social media and ignore them irl. They're banned from the comms I run. But what else can I do on an individual level? What can we do as a community?

No. 274966

We need to be open about our disdain for them. They need to know that they aren't welcome and we'll make things hard for them.

No. 274969

But specifically how to do that?

No. 274997

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A sister comm of mine had actual weeb lolicons attending their meets. Like he openly posted about it on social media, didn't even wear a coord and said he wasn't going to. I have no fucking idea WHY he was allowed and I'm glad it wasn't my comm because I would have gone berserk. Although my comm is stll filled with troons and turbo clolita weebs shitting on every coord that isn't taobao shit kek
This is making me want to become a lonelita, I pretty much only stay for sales and even then it's never stuff I'm interested in, since all they ever sell is Magic Tea Party shit and the rare burando is always ott sweet which I don't wear.
I hate their obsession with social media too, it's like every other lolita is severely attention starved and only cares about impressing other lolitas, I hate it

No. 275074

This. I recommend reaching out to people via friend finder threads and join your biggest local comm and check their member list for well-dressed, normal people. I'm done with non-vetted groups. Fetishists and troons are the worst but if I have the choice I also don't want to associate with clolitas. I hope you find friends nonny.

No. 275263

Thanks, nona! I'm wary of friend finder threads though as they're infested with moids. Regarding troons and fetishists it fucking sucks how we have to censor ourselves even in female centric spaces and how much they're getting invaded by scrotes. I can't get myself to enjoy meets because I'm constantly walking on eggshells as to not call a they/them a she out of habit. I hope we can at least have a space to discuss this though this thread is not very active.

No. 275296

Wow you have infinite patience! I refuse to use their special little pronouns. I didn't realize the farms had a gen lolita thread so I hope we can get word out and bring more people here to discuss how to rid our community of the trannies for good. I prefer the farms to cgl for probably the same reason as you, sick of the crossboarders and moids.

No. 275387

i kinda like this idea, some kind of secret society flagship sign kek

those three colors could be hard to coord, especially across styles. maybe an accessory?

No. 275389

We need to start applying for mod positions in our local comms. if we’re the first to see the requests, then we’re safe.

Current mods have allowed non-lolita wearers and worse to come through.

No. 275399

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i feel like we even have a potential discord server right here? would anyone be interested? I usually don’t use discord, so if anyone prefers a different platform i’m down

plz, we need a secret sisterhood

No. 275468

I'm down if you are. Don't if we need a server per se, we can start with a group chat and see how much interest there is first. Email me if interested to exchange tags.

Also down for a secret accessory! What could it be that no one else would use accidently though?

I like this idea, nice slow burn.

No. 275490

A discord server would be nice but I'm paranoid that eventually it'd end up in someone getting outed as a meanie terf uwu to their comm unless we would never show our coords/dresses, Ik some cows from my comm lurk here

No. 276089

at some point you have to take the risk nonnie.

No. 276170

the accesory could be a flower/plant which is commonly purple white and green. the accesory itself could be any color to match the coord. I was thinking of pansee, but maybe with a specific bow shape holding them to be sure it's volontary.

No. 276583

this is a cute idea but wdym bow shape?

No. 276869

I think it's easier to blend in a coord and its more common if it's a small bouquet of flowers. it could also be a mixed bouquet with a plant for each color.

No. 276887

No. 276901

Are you sure outing yourself, the blog owner, as a farmer is smart? kek

No. 276913

That’s the point of the blog: for farmers to. It’s connected to nothing

No. 276970

Stop tagging unrelated posts to advertise your stupid secrets blog, we don't give a shit.

No. 277038

Kek the 'secret symbol' is going to be discovered to be a terf symbol the moment it spreads to /cgl/. Probably sooner since gendie lolitas lurk here as well. Not gonna discourage you nonnies but I would be careful with this (also the colours are ugly sorry)

No. 277105

learn to sage

the colors aren't too gr8 ngl. also i think if any kind of symbol were to be used, then it should be some ubiquitous

No. 277181

Hey, sorry to crosspost but the lolita thread on /cgl/ seems too far gone, so I'm going to post some info here:


20, M, California
>Do you wear Lolita, EGA or both?
I don't wear anything currently because I am just getting into it (reccomendations would be nice), but I enjoy both Lolita and EGA.
>Fav substyles
Steampunk, classic, and maybe gothic.
>Other hobbies, interests, fashion styles?
Hobbies include strength training & competitions, working on cars/driving, computering, baking, knitting, and internet shit.
>How long have you been dressing in the fashion
Haven't started, but looking for specific resources.
>Not looking for?
Annoying people. People using this as a dating platform. People who don't know how to keep personal stuff to themselves.
>contact info
cosmail@nigge.rs (encryption available)
>anything else we should know
I have a HUGE disdain for patterns, which I call "wallpaper dresses". I'm looking for anything that coordinates around brown, gold, and dark green. I'm also looking for pieces that center around mens' styling, since I don't want to be the dude in a dress. If you speak like a child, I will tend to not like you(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 277201

do you know where you are right now? are you lost? and learn to integrate while you're at it, sage goes in the email field

No. 277203

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Ignore and report, nona

No. 277205

lol if that guy is genuine he sounds like a real prick. I don't think any lolita with a working brain would ever bother contacting him

No. 277213

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>his e-mail address
Idk about genuine but yeah kek picrel for cleansing

No. 277303

Nta but you don't actually have to sage on non-cow boards.

No. 277967

does anyone have photos they can share of handmade gothic dresses and accessories? specifically well-made too since all the handmade gothic dresses I've seen people post photos of have looked pretty ita unfortunately

No. 279799

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I love lolita so much it's unreal
Praying AP does more cotton MTOs because I am tired of the ugly poly stuff

No. 279832

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I admit I am kind of a noob when it comes to Lolita style and I have never really liked the cutesy pastel giant baby style Sweet Lolita (even though I admit many of the dresses and items individually are very very cute, it kind of gives me a migraine to see all that thrown together)

I think the more elegant classical Lolita where they wear heels and try to look more mature and ladylike is absolutely gorgeous. I think this style also suits gaijin Lolitas way more than the typical Japanese big baby style with too many frills and layers. It’s much more flattering and doesn’t look so frumpy either.

Some of the styling in these older J&J shoots where they mostly use European models is gorgeous and suits them so well. They look like Victorian dolls.

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No. 280164

Coming over from /w/ - I'm sick of how shitty /cgl/ has become the past few years, but love the bbs anonymous style of posting. Hopefully we can have a comfy group to just talk about lolita.

Even the cotton MTOs have been pretty hit or miss. Nakayoshi Bunny is pretty off. I was pretty disappointed after I finally got it after almost a year of waiting…

No. 280204

i am also here. i didn't get nb and i'm glad i didn't. i didn't like that it was cotton instead of velveteen. it lost the feel of being a winter print.

No. 280268

I didn't mind the fabric change (I don't really trust modern AP to be able to come out with velvet anything), but the applique being shitty little patches? The enormous balls? The sad limp bows? I regret buying it.

No. 280516

that's true, sad to hear it's shit though, but glad i passed it up atleast. any of their autumn collection catching your eye? i want to like the halloween one. but something about the design is off to me.

No. 280550

Nah. Looks like just Dream Doll for me this season. Everything else is either made with bad materials or badly designed.

No. 280636

God this one is beautiful. You're right, this style suits Westerners so much more.

No. 280642

I'm sorry but this seems nonsensical. No one suits a style more before of their race, and "Western" includes so many races with different facial features. Thinking only Asians look good in sweet just reeks of yellow fever.

No. 280647

calm down, a lot of non asians have mature features that japanese don't. it's a fact.

No. 280651

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stole this from cgl, but i love classic lolita in dusty tones.

No. 280657

this is getting even dumber. what "mature features" are you even talking about? this yellow fever just reeks of a newfag who spends too much time browsing the ita thread instead of actually following good Western lolitas on social media

No. 280684

refuse to buy any main pieces on lm anymore. bought a dress from a swede(gross) and it had superglue all over the waist ties. No mention of it in the description. why are so many western lolitas dirty and mess up their brand? any good shopping services for xianyu?

No. 280693

can you idiots go back to cgl?

No. 280707

Like xianyu's any better. In fact I would say it's worse because at least you have PayPal protection when dealing with western sellers. You're fucked if anything is wrong on xianyu. Sellers are out to screw you over, it's not a great platform for buyers especially us foreign ones.

No. 280729

>implying asians don't have more neotenous features than other races

No. 280896

>doesn't like lm because of one bad experience
>wants to try xianyu instead
Absolute giga kek, enjoy your undisclosed stains, replicas, missing items and scamming.

No. 280965

after decades of being an APfag i might switch to baby…

No. 281104

Smart move. Baby is the GOAT

No. 281123

i actually have two pieces from them from years back and like them pretty well. i just like the style of AP sweet better but this new stuff ain't it. baby's sweet is just different, but it's still very cutesy. the new kumya fall print is really nice though i have to admit. any sweet pieces you'd recommend?

No. 281125

just adding, i have sugar rose cake and some parfait print by them(not sure the name) at the moment.

No. 281129

Is this a joke? Japanese people have small eyes, jacked up teeth, and often crooked noses. Even black people look more neotenous than them.(racebait)

No. 281199

Congratulations anon, I have nothing against AP but Baby is just better

No. 281215

Oh thank goodness, people are using this thread again. Going on CGL just raises my blood pressure, and that's only taking into account having to constantly hide/scroll past the bottom of the barrel shit cosplay threads.

I am another Baby lover encouraging you to appreciate Baby more lolol. Baby's flavor of sweet definitely still adheres more to a sort of fairy-tale feeling most of the time, especially their older stuff, a lot of their artwork I love because the style reminds me of watercolor paintings.

No. 281252

Nta but crooked teeth in Japan are considered youthful. There was once a trend where women there got surgery to make them purposely look that way.

No. 281261

thanks, baby's sweet prints are really growing on me. i am gonna look on fril/rakuma/ for some good deals.

No. 281263

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just looking at fril and i see a lot of things i like. especially pic related. it looks like an older print but i'm really fond of the border style that's more of an all over print. (don't know if there's a name for this kind of horizontally repeating print with no border) but looking through these are really reigniting my passion! and they're less than 20000 yen! feels like a dream!

No. 281965

Haven't gone to an event or even an IRL meetup in forever. Any events coming up that you girls want to go to? What's your idea of a perfect meetup?

No. 283297

It just came randomly into my mind, but does anyone remember that one japanese, continuously banned scrote on cgl who was obsessed with a japanese idol/actor who modeled for baby once and claimed she was a yakuza and shit? kek, the board was so clean compared to now.. Now you wouldn't even notice him between all the other moid garbage threads.

No. 283507

anyone have cute lolita related or loliable diy projects? or pics as examples of ideas?
things like knitted boleros, burando print cross stitch for room deco, little sewing or accessory making stuff and the like

No. 283531

Check lolita blogs or the old LJ community for OnS patterns.

No. 283596

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I love the items with little knit strawberries on them so I decided to crochet some strawberries and I attached them to wristcuffs, socks, and an old cardigan. It wasn't too difficult even as a novice in crochet!

No. 283665

I have a link to a bunch of ons scans but they're in japanese and I'm not good at working with patterns without instructions
cute, these would look good with lots of sweet coords

No. 283774

Can you drop your link nonnie? I've never been able to find working links to scans

No. 283805

No. 283806

also the vk one has a bunch of other non-ons stuff mixed in so you'll have to dig through all the photos

No. 283838

ah nonnie, this vk link makes me miss lurking around jsf lolita community in russia. i always used all of the amazing photoshoots as a reference for my artworks, and despite all of the drama it was fun to read people's blogs. it sucks how over the past years they started allowing trannies, seeing them on group pictures is disgusting, and the way they cling onto women to a point it makes them uncomfortable is something else…

No. 285541

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I'm in the process of restyling my room and I would like to dedicate more space to my dresses. Right now I just have a plastic tub and a metal clothing rack. How do you all store your dresses/shoes/accesories? Does your storage match your style/s?
I'm in need of some idea

No. 285652

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tbh I just store it with my normie stuff since I only have 20 dresses anyway and I don't own much normies clothes. I've seen that most lolitas seem to have wardrobes or racks exclusively for their lolita items. It really depends on how much space you have and what kind of aesthetic you are going for.

No. 285653

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Same fag, but I mainly wear gothic and my bedroom does not fit the aesthetic at all. My lolita stuff is largely hidden away and I keep all my accessories in two shoe boxes. One day when I move out I want to be able to display my bags because they look pretty nice.

No. 285966

bought AP's happy garden op recently and it came stained (the seller didn't told me beforehand). Any stain removal tips? I have used like three methods already and none have worked

Istg some of these bitches be having food fights in these dresses, I'm pissed

No. 286009

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have you tried borax laundry soap like picrel?

No. 286044

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Where can I find old 2ch lolita thread translations? I read some ages ago and can't find them again

No. 288536

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Nonas, how do you dress when you're not in lolita? Are any of you lifestylers? I wear gothic and old school and my regular clothes were always pretty similar in style, I used to dress like a tradgoth when I was a teen and really into darkwave. I went through some realizations and reflected on a lot of things and now more often than not dress in baggy, masculine clothes and tbh I really like the contrast and how surprised people are when they see me wearing lolita/fred durst looking shit for the first time

No. 288584

When I am not dressed up in a Lolita coordinate I am wearing some sort of mall goth/cute punk style. Hysteric Glamour, ETC, Milk, and Putumayo are all cycling my daily wear… but Metamorphose and Moitie are the brands I am more delicate with.

No. 288613

You’re transgender

No. 288646

Funny because my reflection was that I should embrace dressing gnc more often and not focus on performing feminity so much, keep dilating though

No. 298170

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anons I need your opinions on whether this dress is salvageable or not - I really like the frog print and the green color but something about it to me looks a bit ita, do you think if I removed the weird chiffon frill on the bottom and middle it'll look decent? not my pic btw sorry it looks a bit wonky
there's also a pinafore skirt cut with the same print that doesn't have the chiffon so maybe I should get that instead? I just really want something with this frog print on it kek

No. 298186

Is this a JSK or an OP? If it's an OP then the biggest offenders are the sleeves imo.

No. 298227

it's a jsk, the sleeves are from a separate blouse the girl is wearing

No. 300644

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Is there any gothic lolitas here just disappointed by the blouses available lately? I won't sat lately, this issue has been going on for years. I really like the old moitie blouses but their current blouses are so boring. It's just the same chiffon over and over again. It seems like sheglit are the only brand who make good blouses since innocent worlds blouses are always sold out and i find atelier pierrots blouses to be too bulky looking. Don't even get me started on taobao. All the best stuff there is for sweet fags. Also thoughts on this release. I bought it but i am hesitant i made the right decision after the cross jsk that released not so long ago got bashed.

No. 300692

God I wish I could afford that jsk, it's so simple but in a good way. Also, I agree with you anon. I buy all my burando second hand (third world country fag) and nothing beats the old releases. I'm not a fan of chiffon and I think it makes the coords too matronly sometimes, it's chiffon so it makes no sense but it just does in my mind. Personally I like old meta blouses with raschel lace (only in all black though) and Innocent World as you said. Victorian Maiden has nice ones too.

No. 302193

asking here since /cgl/ is so dead and not helpful these days, can I make my own otks and utks by sewing lace on top of normie socks? I don't want to shell out for brand ones then have to pay a ridiculous amount in shipping if I can diy. would any solid color pair of knee high and thigh high socks with lace on top look good or is there certain ones I should use?

No. 302196

Why do you fatty-chan gaijin itas always reveal yourselves as racist jealous pieces of shit lol

No. 302197

Does anyone know how Lolita is perceived in Japan? I know it’s one of the longest standing styles but I heard it’s dwindling quite a lot even though they have popular and trendy models like Risa modelling and promoting it. I just wonder how lolita girls are perceived or stereotyped nowadays in Japan and if it would attract unwanted or negative attention.

No. 302270

Absolutely! It's one of the oldest, easiest lolita diy projects. Use whatever socks you like that suit your style(s) of choice. There's lots of different tutorials out there from YouTube to old blogs.

No. 302335

I was wanting to make ones to go with my btssb dessert op but I was afraid of looking ita kek. thanks anon, I'll try making a pair

No. 302354

You will never be japanese.

No. 303980

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I got a pixie cut recently. Do you have any inspo pictures of lolitas with short hair, nonnies?

No. 304023

Holy shit the second hand market is atrocious at the moment, both in price and quantity. I'm so glad I pretty much reached my dream wardrobe in '17.

No. 304207

It's been awful for years imo, but thank god i do not have any wishlist items and I am not really in the market for anything new in general.

No. 305957

What are some lolita related activities you like to do? My friend and I really dislike our local comm and feel uncomfortable during meets so we decided to become lonelitas and spend our time together. I'm planning a picnic for us in Spring and thought about doing things such as:
>mini tea party
It's not much but it's something. I'd appreciate suggestions for activities to do on my own as well. I'm working on a handmade headdress and clothes for porcelain dolls. Journaling seems like it would match the lolita feel too.

No. 306398

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I know I'm replying late but there currently is a thread up on /cgl/ called "Short hair lolita inspiration" which might have something you can use as inspo. I would link it but I'm not sure if that's against the rules

No. 306410

I always thought it would be cute to make a scrapbook documenting your favourite co-ords. I know i want to do that.

No. 311116

God the absolute fucking state of cgl.

No. 312678

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Any anon knows if people still wear himekaji? I wish there was more if a community out there as for Lolita. Any nonas interested in a himekaji thread perhaps?

No. 312695

I don't think it's popular enough to warrant a new thread.

No. 312700

I love the style but stopped wearing it since most companies are shifting away to jiraikei. I think it's, unfortunately out of style for a long time.

No. 312709

I love the style too but it's very dead. The western J-fashion scene is majority just lolita & tiktok "gyaru", I don't think we'll see niche/super specific styles for a long time

No. 312745

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i hate jirai kei. jpsisters have the right idea calling it ryousangata. it's been nearly a decade and its reign of terror still isn't ending and only getting more and more popular. i'm sick of it.

No. 312748

I tucking hate jirai kei so much and the washed out grey-lilac x black everything ughhhh i want the og himekaji and romagyaru to come back.
I do wear my liz lisa stuff still and id call it himekaji i guess. There are really only a few girls i see wearing it these days.

No. 312750

NTA but I actually sort of like how jirai kei looks because of its resemblance to himekaji but yeah it's completely justified to call it ryousangata. It's the unimaginative basic bitch mode of all jfash and a red flag for a BPD-chan.

No. 313498

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>handwashing my new (secondhand) jsk in cold water
>water is brownish when i lift dress out to rinse
The dress is brown, so I have no idea if it was because of the dye, or it really was that in need of a wash. either way I'm really glad I did it, and it looks fine on close inspection.

also, chiming into the jirai conversation a week late, I hate it mostly because of the really weird culture that has grown around it, and the murky muted colors that have become inescapable nowadays aren't my taste. I also miss himekaji, though I'm kind of accepting that it's dead in its original form.

No. 313562

I am glad your dress came out fine! Washing dresses always gives me a heart attack too.

I am not a fan of jirai kei either, tbh, lolita is the only j-fashion that i actually like.

No. 313643

I've had water turn disgusting colours after washing old dresses so it's probably just that, although a friend told me the brown parts of her OG Honey Cake ran. I reckon your IW was just filthy because that looks more like a commercial fabric than a custom print.
I've got much more fearless about laundry over the years. I used to handwash everything but now I stick Sugar Bouquet (a known bleeder) in the machine with a fuckton of colour catchers and it came out fine.

No. 313944

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Lately I've really fallen in love with "old school" sweet, but lately I don't know if I've seen many old school styled lolitas that aren't into more gothic styles/darker color schemes. I always thought contemporary sweet lolita doesn't really suit me, but I don't know what took me so long to realize that I really like the lower-key cuteness of older sweet brand pieces, especially pre-2010s Baby and AP. I took the plunge and bought this Sweet Fruit a la Mode skirt in sax, I'm really looking forward to coording it. low key sweetchans pls tell me about your low key sweet wardobes

No. 313949

BTSSB sweet>AP sweet. I have this print too, although as a JSK. When I started in lolita I was drawn in by classic but eventually started getting more sweet under the influence of friends. I gradually found super bright pastels weren't really me so I have a largely BTSSB wardrobe with some nu-AP pieces, mostly Imai Kira stuff. I guess you don't see as many people wearing this kind of sweet because it isn't as loud and attention-grabbing. It's much easier to wear lolita daily when you can coord with more neutral colours.

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This is very cute! I agree with your sentiment too. I find myself gravitating towards less extravagant pieces too, granted that i have very minimalistic sensibilities when it comes to fashions in general, although i do not wear sweet bar my one sweet dress that is quite a lot and i do see myself selling it one day. Pieces like what you have are simple, but you can get tons more wear out of it unlike something like sugary carnival. I feel like when i spend time in spaces like ruffle chat, tons of the newbs do not treat lolita fashion likes clothes and want to be 1000% all the time to be the most edgiest and I find it tacky and tasteless.

No. 313961

the girl in the suit with a vampire hairdo…. I'm frothing at the mouth. I wish I could pull that off

No. 313964

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Look for BTSSB or some of the 2016-2018 AP sweet for adventurous days. This may out me a bit but I modified an AP OP with a cheap JSK and made this OP fall at my natural waist, and it's pretty understated by my standards. If you like jacquard Whip Jacquard is way nicer in person than in stock photos.
Meta's also made some very nice florals over the years and their quality on cotton pieces has remained top notch.

No. 314022

I'm somewhat new to lolita and feel like I missed out on so much… been digging through the /cgl/ archives and old livejournals and tumblr blogs to try to get a feel for what it was like before the obnoxious ita tiktok/twitter zoomers invaded. is there anyone who was around in the early 2000s to early 2010s who wants to reminisce so I can live vicariously through you? do you think things were way better back then in terms of the fashion and overall community, and what do you miss most? any fond memories?

No. 314030

AYRT, I'm also very into classic, but mostly Innocent World's flavor of sweet-classic. It took me a while to realize I'm practically a sweet lolita with extra steps lol.

I have some lolita friends who somehow manage to wear their OTT sweet coords just on a regular day, but I've never even been able to imagine pulling that off lol, it takes some guts. I'm definitely a lot more minimal with my coording. I agree that some newbies seem to assume that every day has to be all-out coords all the time, which doesn't actually seem to be the case for anyone.

No. 314259

It was so much more fun than it is now. Lolita has always been expensive, but back then it was a challenge to even buy the clothes. Replicas were a real problem, so much so that AP (pretty sure it was them) had to ask EGL to stop posting them. There were endless cotton vs polyester debates, discussions of whether Bodyline was worth it since you could get multiple Bodyline pieces for the price of one brand item but Bodyline quality was infamously shit. Milanoo was a massive problem, it was basically Aliexpress but worse. https://ohnomilanoo.tumblr.com/ documented some of their atrocities if you want to go through it, they also sold cosplays and there was a lot of drama over lolita being seen as a cosplay instead of a fashion, plus a bunch of newbies bought from them and posted their awful coords everywhere. There were lolita guides that were created to help combat this. The Gothic Lolita Bible had patterns for clothes, headwear, and other accessories, as well as some recipes and other random things, it was great. There were many attempts at handmade lolita which varied greatly in quality, but making your own accessories and clothes was popular, there were tutorials for everything from making straw boaters to sewing a bow to repairing shoes. Daily Lolita was a goldmine, people posted themselves wearing a crumpled JSK with no blouse or petticoat or socks, holding their skirt up by the hem, convinced their Milanoo was better than any Japanese brand. The nitpicking was insane. I think the EGL and Daily Lolita livejournals are still up, if you want to go through them. Behind the Bows was so fun but IIRC it kept getting nuked. CGL was better then, less tranny pandering and more bitchy nitpicking.

No. 314515

thanks for the thorough reply anon. honestly I would prefer replicas over the current aliexpress/taobao junk itas now wear, and handmade clothes/accessories being popular seems nice as long as it was well done. now most of those old tutorials have been deleted and no good new ones take their place. plus noobs not following guides either, at least back then there were updated guides and glb to try and help the newbie itas out. sounds like there was also less politicization too overall while now with troons and handmaidens infesting every lolita space it is impossible to avoid.

No. 314803

I really miss the emphasis on DIY. Of course people still do it, but it’s a much smaller percentage of the overall community. Even if much of it was god awful, it somehow felt very… cozy? wholesome? for all these weird girls to be teaching themselves a new skill just to try and emulate a very niche subculture from the other side of the world, squinting at grainy GLB scans all the while. Making your own sock toppers was like a rite of passage. Actual lolita pieces were so scarce that people who couldn’t sew were desperate enough to commission the likes of talia_speaks for badly made headdresses. Remember that drama? I hardly remember what it was about, just that it was scandalous at the time.
There are more resources available now than ever before but it feels like people keep making the same mistakes. Everyone I know who actually knew what they were doing either stopped posting or moved away from lolita.

No. 315274

It's both a bit of color loss and dirt. It inevitable with darker older dresses, but don't worry about it.

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ngl I take a gross satisfaction out of washing filthy secondhand. Getting a jsk that's possibly gone over a decade without cleaning and finally getting the grime off feels nice
kind of a late reply but this I love this era of Baby too! I love how sweet from that era was very simple yet cute and it's one of the easiest styles to build a wardrobe in imo. I like that there's less focus on fullsets of matching jsk, kc and otks like with modern AP and you can get away with a white blouse or solid colored socks easier. Picrel is probably my most worn JSK, it's so versatile and easy to dress up or down with all the detachable pieces. And the print is subtle enough that I wear it blouseless as a normie sundress

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I'm in the market for new blouses, or dickys even. any recommendations for some, especially if purchased with the last year and recommend (cuz quality can change a lot)? colors do not necessarily matter, i can dye if i need to, but if they come in sax, lavender, red, white, mauve, or taupe colors that's a perk. short and long sleeves. don't need to be brand.

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Not a sweetfag myself but I share your sentiment. I've always really liked this kind of sweet as opposed to ott AP coords. And I feel the same way about classic. I love the minimalist look that old school Victorian Maiden used to do. There's something slightly high fashion about it to me. I really like weird pieces that don't always fit a petticoat, they add variety and feel like an actual wardrobe to me. Obviously, not everyone is into that and it's fine less competition on the second hand market kek but I've already had some newbie taobao itas try to give me concrit and tell me that I'm not even wearing lolita.

No. 319945

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>be dark classic appreciator
>put together new coord with favorite main piece
>carefully balance all of the textures, matching lace across pieces, etc etc
>Take photo
>This is going to be so elegant gothic lolita vampire aristocrat romance
>it's just black blob

This is so vague nona. Baby IW and Sheglit make the best quality blouses imo though.

No. 319956

I have bad luck when it comes to washing second hand lolita clothing. Last time I handwashed a precious second hand baby pink blouse, the color immediately ran and turned a streaky purple and white, ruining it forever. And it was touched with synthetic lace so I couldn’t dye it again. Same thing happened when I tried to wash a jumper skirt, the dye ran and the pattern started blurring and fading, plus there were some lamé parts that immediately flaked off. I love Japanese clothes so much but I find they are horribly fragile and easy to ruin.

No. 319958

I hate jirakei too.

No. 319959

I’m so glad in my home country that our national dress is similar to this in terms of silhouette and structure and it’s not unusual to see women wearing poofy dresses like this, even in the more modern parts of the city.

When I visited other countries and wore Lolita everybody stared at me like I was from Mars because they were all dressed in basic t shirts and jeans or shorts, I don’t think I even saw any women wearing dresses the whole time.

No. 319999

too strong of a detergent possibly. use of color catchers helps too

No. 320060

I actually just used water :/(:/)

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No. 321005

I feel like I've already seen this a million times

No. 321542

nonnies yesterday I remembered how much I love wearing lolita. I have a super small collection of items because i'm picky and don't browse online often, so sometimes lolita falls to the wayside for me in terms of paying attention to it. it was a super warm day but i wanted to look cute, so i put on a coord anyway and I'm really glad I did. building my wardrobe at a slow pace was a good idea because now I just have pieces I know for sure I love.
How quickly did you build your wardrobe after you decided to wear lolita? Do you think one is better than the other/works personally better for you? I'm really curious about the pace other lolitanonnas in collecting and how you think that affects how you approach the fashion

No. 321593

I got into jfashion in the late 2000s and I've been friends with lolitas a long time but never got into the style myself. In 2018 I decided to finally get into the style myself and I guess it was easier for me since I was familiar with the style already and I kinda knew what the goals for my wardrobe were going in.
I decided on classic since I can wear it basically everywhere I go. I only have about 15 main pieces so far and that's fine for me because I don't wear anything outside of scrubs more than a couple times a week so I feel like I can't justify having too many main pieces since I won't wear them very often. I just focus more on having different blouses and accessories so I can change up my look and maximize how often I wear my main pieces.

No. 322240

I had also been an admirer of lolita for years before wearing it, but it was because I was a kid without money. I bought my first dress in July 2022 and today I have 4 dresses and 2 blouses. But I'm also very picky, I only buy pre 2008 IW and VM. My friend who got into the fashion around the same time has about 20 taobao dresses. I always say I only want to spend my money on quality pieces I know I'll want to keep, while she says she wanted to build a wardrobe quick and inexpensively and work her way towards figuring out her style.

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guys, someone explain this to me. what the fuck is up with the new trend of uber-short skirts being labelled as 'lolita'? Is this just ero experiencing a resurgence or…?

it's already so hard to convince people 'it's not ageplay or a fetish' this is just going to make that indescribably worse.

No. 327671

Maybe it's supposed to be some kind of ero-lolita resurgence? I think it looks cute but i also understand most ero-lolita co-ords look like shit and e-thots are going to heavily gravitate towards these outfits.

No. 327688

eurgh it reminds me of oldschool sissyshit

No. 327704

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Anyone else struggled with getting back to wearing lolita after taking a break?
I took a break from being a daily lolita at the end of last year and decided to wear normie clothes during the week for the first time in years and now I'm having a lolita crisis. I still love the fashion but I avoid wearing it because it feels like a larp to me now idk. I also really hate how everyone is so obsessed with 'aesthetics' and looking perfect at all times that it makes me want to abandon fashion altogether and dress in plain baggy clothes and not care about appearances. I feel like a materialist because of this and I hate it. I also started associating extravagant clothes with attention seeking because of social media and it's difficult to feel differently even when it comes to lolita because we of the many grifters and cows we get. I'm really torn rn.

No. 327714

I kind of feel a similar conflict in regards to the attention aspect. For the consumerist aspect and the need for perfection i feel like not looking at social media too much helps with this mindset. People tend to forget that lolita is a fashion like any other and i think it's perfectly fine to make reasonable adjustments to make it fit everyday life. Sure it might look a little ita but as long as you think it looks good and you're not looking for validation online i don't see the problem.

No. 327723

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taobao lolita is so ugly jesus
I really like physical drop and innocent world's more casual looks they're releasing now as they feel a lot more doable as a daily style. I still have my beloved oldschool wardrobe for days when I'm in a good mood and want to dress up, but increasingly I'm also wearing my lolita cardigans with cute normie dresses and looser physical drop-style coords. It keeps the cuteness of lolita but I don't constantly have strangers gawking and taking pictures kek. Social media is not good for a slow fashion like lolita and I hate the competitive over consumption and clout chasing. When I found myself not wearing lolita as often unless I had the perfect coord and location for max IG potential, I deleted it.

No. 328792

Nonnas, would you like to move this thread to /ot/? Lolita discussion occasionally comes up in various/ot/ threads, but this thread is quite slow in comparison.

No. 328799

Fashion is a /g/ subject, don't petition to move it to /ot/ just because you want more traffic itt

No. 328803

You'll just get more idiots who think it's connected to the novel

No. 328813

I was specifically asking because it gets mentioned and discussed more often in unrelated or barely related /ot/ threads than in this thread itself.

Easy to ignore and it's probably just one mad retard anyway.

No. 328819

I'd be fine with that
there's literally a fashion discussion thread on /ot/ right now, where they mainly talk about high fashion brands and releases. It seems like the fashion thread on /g/ is now only for questions like "what do I wear with this skirt". Since this thread is more about discussion than helping with coords I think it could fit on /ot/ too

No. 328830

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Where did they get the term from then? It's already embarrassing for autistic women to dress like circus freaks, being okay of the pedo name of this style or is making it even worse.(bait)

No. 328953

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Man I just really love lolita. My first lolita brand coat is coming in the mail and even though I'll probably only have like 1 day per year cold enough to wear it I can't wait

No. 329063

That sailor blouse is is beautiful.

No. 329290

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love these so much

No. 329568

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I feel like prices for lolita are starting to go down a bit, but at the same time all the decently priced stuff gets snatched up fast. Maybe it's just me, but I'm hoping this continues because I'm so tired of scalpers.

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It pisses me off how some shopping services will ask sellers for stuff like tag pictures despite the fact I specifically asked to purchase immediately. I've lost some dream dresses to that in the past because while they were waiting for the seller's response someone else bought the item.

No. 329924

wtf what shopping service? I've never had that happen before

No. 329944

Japonica does that a lot

No. 330855

seeing how insane so many western lolitas are is making me rethink getting into the fashion (I'm a newlita and bought my first brand dress recently). I know alt fashions tend to attract some crazies but this feels even worse than say goth or punk or even other jfashion styles. has it always been like this?

No. 330876

The fashion has always attracted attention seekers who use the fashion for easy e-fame and validation due to it's eye catching nature. In recent years, i feel the the only aspect has gotten insufferable due to the advent of sjws and gender faggory causing all the sane lolitas to want to hide or else they risk getting witch hunted. I personally do not engage with the lolita community online anymore because of this, but some comms are still pretty nice and have decent people.

No. 330885

was there also always so many pedos and fetishists accepted in the community? there is one in the comm near me which makes me not want to join. kinda sad since I live in a small area with nothing much around me so it's not like there are many options for me except online - which as you mentioned is filled with aggressive genderspecials.

No. 331074

I'm pretty sure almost every comm has a token freak or two. Just avoid going to meets they will be at, and know the other lolitas probably hate them too. Lots of comms have handmaiden moderators who turn a blind eye to AGPs and pedos but that doesn't mean everyone in the comm agrees with that. I'd still recommend joining and befriending the more "normal" lolitas because there's lots of private meets that never get publically posted specifically to avoid weirdos attending.

No. 331179

oh ok sad the mods don't keep those kinds of weirdos out these days but oh well. yeah I'll try befriending well dressed and normal seeming lolitas, and maybe I can make some online friends too when I start posting my coords. thanks nona

No. 331944

I don't think there were as many back in the day, but now that there's the threat of being harassed for being "transphobic" if you don't allow obvious sissy fetishist men in, it happens more often, but like >>331074 says, it's worth it to go to your local comm and try to interact with the normal lolitas. Sometimes then you can even form friendships and just start hanging out with them instead of having to go to the comm meetups. Also, thanks to people rsvp-ing over online platforms like facebook or discord, it's usually pretty easy to see which events creeps plan on attending so you can avoid those!

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I haven't really seen people talking about new releases much itt, but I'm so psyched for the MMM x baroque rerun! It's been getting massively scalped for a while now. Is anyone else ordering it?

My local comm's token AGP goes to literally every. Single. Published. Meet. And they're almost all in public too. I think I'll stay a lonelita for a while longer.

No. 332178

Is there anywhere we can post pieces and ask "wtf do I wear this with"? The coord help threads on /cgl/ were kinda one single main piece-centric (and reddit threads would obviously be too), but I think it would be cool to be able to past a bunch of pieces somewhere and let people go through things and give any ideas they have.

No. 332212

yeah it really sucks weirdos like that are allowed into comms. and they're inescapable online too, feels like there's nowhere to go to get away from them sadly
that's a good point but there's a possibility the local creep goes to every comm meet like what >>332063 has experienced. the harassment brigades are the main reason more people don't start their own comms or keep the weirdos out of existing ones it seems

No. 332347

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yes nona it's absolutely gorgeous… I've been considering getting the white x blue tablier because I love how it almost looks like porcelain. It wouldn't be very versatile with my wardrobe tbh, but still tempting

No. 332786

Does anyone else think that with the new Barbie movie coming out sweet OTT pink pastel vomit looks will be better received, at least for a while? I don't get hassled much in sweet but I have read horror stories about it. I do get a lot of questions and stares though- I feel like maybe more people will think it's a costume thing, which isn't super ideal but it's better than being bothered all the time.

No. 333009


They may start calling you Barbie and asking "Where's Ken?" instead of calling you Lil Bo Peep and asking where the sheep are at.

I imagine it'd be more of the same, maybe slightly better since the general public will view pink as trendy.

No. 333718

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Lolita vent: I don't understand how lolitas can be so disgusting with their expensive dresses..
I recently bought a dress of my favorite print and the stains were disclosed sure, but christ how do you get so many stains on a $300 dress?? There are food stains on the sleeves, on the pits and on the waist ties. Just wtf was this girl doing? It's like she used it as a napkin. Even a coat I bought recently had stains on it that werent disclosed but it came right out in the wash. How hard is it to wash and care for your brand? fuck.

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They treat them like everyday clothes in everything except washing. Washing your lolita shit isn't that hard either, just time consuming, the horror stories of red prints really scared people off washing printed shit.

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Both Violet Fane and Ladysloth are being affected by the shitty economic situation. VF is closing down and LS will have at the most two releases a year. I never liked LS designs but VF had some decent ones.

No. 334322

It's always sad to see brands shut down, even if it's lady sloth. Especially since they are european and the shitty import taxes hurt. I hope more don't shut down.

No. 334667

Why are Lolita obsessed with brand names? No other street style is obsessed with only wearing the official brands or get canceled for wearing knockoffs, even OG gyaru wasn’t as brand obsessed. Lolita started with girls sewing their own frilly dresses since they didn’t want to wear the current styles, but now it’s seen as somehow embarrassing to wear homemade Lolita dresses? This seems to only happen in Lolita coms outside of Japan though.

No. 334676

Wearing handmade is only embarrassing if it looks like garbage tbh. Most Lolita’s can appreciate handmade dresses if it’s well made and looks nice. No one really cares that much about offbrand items and even offbrand dresses aren’t looked at twice unless it’s ugly and/or poor quality (which unfortunately a lot of them are). With brands you’re more likely to get quality dresses, at least with older releases anyway.

No. 335011

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Some of them are clout chasers/looking for status. It's an expensive fashion and many lolitas feel like they're special because they partake in it. Some are probably addicted to shopping tbh because I see many girls buying very expensive pieces just to sell them after one picture. With others it's like what >>334676 said. Handmade lolita is only looked down upon when it's shit quality/design which unfortunately is the case most of the time because most of lolitas are fashion illiterate and don't under stand what makes the garment good. Especially now in the taobao era. Picrel is a well made handmade JSK imo.

No. 335027

Gatekeeping and clout chasing. Gyaru absolutely were obsessed with brand btw. I remember being kurogyaru back in 2012 and other gals would look down on anyone who wasnt fully decked out in DIA.

No. 335029

It’s always been like this, over a decade ago I would find items marked ‘sissy’ and ‘tranny’ when I tried to look for cute frilly pink lolita dresses or underwear, sweet lolita attracts AGP sissy freaks.

No. 335033

This is a really nice outfit, I also get the haute couture feeling, 90s Vivienne Westwood vibe from it.

No. 335036

I got this the first time round, ngl i did hope they would do something new but i greatly respect brands efforts in defeating scalping.

No. 335038

I wish I had a lolita friend who lives nearby.

No. 335039

Nonas I’m trying to buy an AP dress but the Japanese proxy service I usually use is now telling me that their accounts are only allowed to buy a limited number of that item and that they’ve maxed out. Wtf do I do now?

No. 335043

For some people, it's more of a collection hobby rather than a style. It's most prevalent among Angelic Pretty fans. During the 2010s print obsession era there were definitely a few autists who were so obsessed on collecting main pieces that they forgot you need other things to make a coordinate.

This is so cute, I love how well finished it looks.

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I really hate collectors in lolita. I think it’s so stupid to drop $200+ on a dress you don’t even intend on wearing out and that will just rot in the closet until the buyers remorse sets in and they try and sell it for an absurd amount. Even worse if they can’t Coord for shit. I just don’t think it’s worth it especially with novelty shit that is expensive but poor quality like a lot of AP items these days.

No. 335356

this looks very similar to the metamorphose pintuck tiered jsk, pretty impressive

No. 335366

Oh the white is so cute, I want to wear it at my little sibling's birthday parties lol

No. 335433

I’ve seen it irl a couple of times, the quality is embarrassingly terrible.

No. 335461

r/Lolita is down indefinitely. Is the discord still up?

No. 335493

nu-AP is so sad. I have one modern AP dress and I think I'll end up selling it without ever wearing it because the quality is so terrible, the material is thin and shiny like what you'd expect from a $50 taobao dress. I know all brands have had a drop in quality but comparing it to a meta jsk I bought the same year… it's just sad.

No. 335532

has btssb had a drop in quality too? I haven't really heard anything bad about their newer dresses, I have a btssb dress I got in the very late 2010s and the quality is still good. the brands that seem to have the biggest decline are AP and moitie

No. 335547

ayrt and almost all my btssb is old school or the classical re-release line. They've definitely made some design changes with their re-releases that I personally don't like (for example widening the skirts or generally tweaking the proportions) but the lace and fabric feel pretty similar between a 2001 and 2021 release. There's definitely a difference in the cotton they use for their solids but the quality isn't necessarily bad, just different. I've seen sugar bouquet of all sorts of release years on other lolitas and it always looks amazing lol. I think AP and moitie have definitely seen the biggest decline in quality, and innocent world's new releases make me sad even if the quality is okay, I'm not a fan of all the long skirts

No. 335590

are the bodyline rocking horse vw shoes bootlegs terrible quality? i know bodyline is generally ita but im planning an old school coord for a con and it would look quite cute..

No. 335610

They look nice in pictures (non-professional, non-edited.) I saw someone on Tumblr raving about them. Unsure if the quality is good or not.

No. 335658

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they're good! I've worn mine for years and they've held up well, they're comfy too. Sorry if I'm telling you something obvious but it's difficult to keep the straps up like picrel unless you pin them to your socks or something and they'll usually be around your ankles while you're walking around. The soles are obviously foam and not real wood irl, but they photograph well so maybe I'm just autistic for caring about that kek. Bodyline's main pieces may be ita because of bad quality but their shoes and some accessories (I love their rectangle headdresses) are good.

No. 335668

it's nice the fabric and lace and overall construction are still good, I hope it stays that way for as long as they're making clothes. I think most of us have sworn off buying anything new from moitie and AP now due to it basically being indistinguishable from taobao quality. I don't keep up with innocent world releases but I assume the longer skirts are popular with classic lolitas? I see a lot of them posting coords with longer skirts and dresses these days
they're ok, the pleather feels like it won't hold up over time but if you're not wearing them frequently you should get a few years of use out of them. also apparently they run small, I ordered the correct size and they're super tight on me and I've seen others complaining about the same thing

No. 335669

ty for the advice! ill prob get them then

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Anons who have a hate boner for lolita fashion are so weird.

I don't miss milanoo but it does make me nostalgic kek I do miss when there was way less gender garbage happening.

No. 343339

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I wish lolita discussion would be moved here instead of on /cgl/. At least the mods do their jobs here

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same nona. personally I think it would be nice to have a womens only forum that had a jfashion/lolita section and maybe cosplay section to replace /cgl/, or even a womens only forum that is focused on jfashion. it's basically pointless going to /cgl/ anymore with how bad the board has gotten in recent years. I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discord, jfashion is dying, both of those things or some other reason?

No. 343643

>I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discord
yes. Many online communities are dying because they are migrating to discord
>jfashion is dying
There are several factors to this but but i do wonder if the rise of kpop might have affected the disinterest for jfashion on an international scale. While animanga is mainstream right now no one is enthusiastic about japanese pop culture outside of that. 10 years ago animanga community would also discuss stuff like jfashion but not anymore. I feel like kstyling is filling that niche jfashion used too
>some other reason?
4chan has a terrible reputation and at some point it became synonymous with neo nazis in the public conscious which might be why women are more hesitant to use /cgl/

No. 343884

the bad thing with discord is that it seems hard finding good servers, most of the lolita and jfahsion ones are filled with arrogant itas and creepy male troons/fetishists who don't really care about the fashion itself.
I definitely think kpop played a part in it but imo the rise of fast fashion and shitty tiktok/social media fashion microtrends was the major issue.

No. 349641

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I think I might be falling out of love with wearing lolita and I feel awful about it. I still find the fashion beautiful but I don't feel like going out in it anymore. I don't feel like dressing up in any way actually and lolita seems excessive to me now. I'm not sure why. I've stopped attending meets a long time ago because my comm is full of gendies and handmaidens who talk about how empowering it is to have an only fans. I can only imagine myself in a coord if I were to be completely alone.
My entire outlook on appearance has been changing for the past year so perhaps it's not specifically about lolita but fashion in general. I'm sick of the obsession with aesthetics and trying to look as 'unique' and attention grabbing as possible and definitely don't want to be associated with that. I don't really have anywhere to wear lolita to anyway. Maybe if I was rich I'd just wear it around my huge vintage mansion kek
I'm considering selling a most of my dresses but the sunk cost fallacy is getting to me (I don't own any sought after pieces so I'd probably have to sell them for cheap or something)

No. 349643

Complete lolita noob, I love the style, but i used to live somewhere super hot, so I could never wear it. I live in a colder place now, so I’m fulfilling my teenage dream to dress like a pretty fancy girl.

Only issue is that I’ve never worn any type of jfashion ever, no less a style like this. Anyone have any tips for people just starting out? Also, websites that account for taller girls? Sorry if this is spoonfeedy, but i don’t wanna learn lolita from AliExpress girls

No. 349644

I'm sorry you feel this way anon. I also haven't been feeling like dressing up lately (though in my case it's moreso due to the weather and poor health) but I still love my wardrobe and don't want to part with it. You might get your love for lolita back, but you might not. I'd say start selling things off slowly. Pick the pieces that you are least attached to and let them go. Don't wear it for a while, don't even think about lolita. I'd say maybe keep one or two coordinates you like at least just in case you want to go back to the style, because then you can always sell them as lots if you decide you're done for good. Sad to potentially see you go anon, but I understand. Lolita is fussy and impractical and I definitely understand not feeling like wearing it anymore. Best wishes anon.

No. 349646

>any tips for people just starting out?
The hardest part of starting out is learning how to buy cohesive pieces and make coords. Luckily you have like 20 years' worth of magazine scans, blogs, /cgl/ archives and social media you can look at for coord inspo! Save pictures of outfits that you like, look at how colors are used and how it's accessorized. Go scroll lolibrary and make a wishlist of your favorite pieces. Identify if there's any specific cuts, motifs or finishing details you seem to gravitate towards and look for them while you're shopping. Be patient, don't cheap out or buy something you don't love just so you can quickly fill your wardrobe.

>websites that account for taller girls?

dress lengths vary wildly so you'll want to check the length of dresses before you buy them. For example I'm 5'7 and I don't buy anything under 94cm kek. Having measurements of your own body will help a lot. Generally Angelic Pretty jsks are the shortest, while Metamorphose and Innocent World are longer.
Since lolita is so niche, released in short runs and small batches- it's not like most other fashions where you can go to a website and buy a perfectly coordinated outfit in one purchase. The majority of lolita clothes are sold secondhand on Japanese marketplaces like Mercari. You'll need to use a shopping service (there are plenty of guides to this online) to buy clothes from them and get them shipped out of Japan. Some common websites that you can buy from without a shopping service- Lacemarket, Closet Child, Wunderwelt, Atelier Pierrot, most major brands' websites.
and if you ever sell anything used on lacemarket for the love of God wash your fucking clothes

No. 349666

This is a good chance to explore different hobbies and interests. Growing up is nothing to be scared of. I took a break from lolita for about five years because I was too busy with school and then to go backpacking, and it was nice to take a break from femininity and get in touch with my natural self. Maybe you'll come back to lolita too or maybe you won't, but there's nothing wrong with exploring different aspects of your personality.

Like the other anon said, you can set your favorite pieces aside and see if you want to come back to them later. You can also transition your wardrobe to a more casual but still similar style and still incorporate some of your lolita pieces. Regardless, you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies are!

It's long dead now, but a blog I liked a lot when I was first starting out is fyeahlolita. It has some good posts on topics like wardrobe building that are important for newbies.

Some other random tips in no particular order
>start your wardrobe with Japanese brand, at least for blouses, main pieces, and outerwear. Trust me, your future self will thank you.
>The exceptions are shoes, petticoats, and bags. They're almost never worth getting brand
>Take body measurements and compare them to the pieces you want to buy, make sure they're a few cm bigger than you are
>Save pictures that are inspirational to you and figure out exactly what you like and what makes the coordinates work (color balance, silhouette, fabrics, motifs)
>think/shop in terms of whole outfits not just the dress
>Get a good petticoat at the same time you get you first main piece. Make sure they are the same shape
>Hair, makeup and being clean and tidy more generally are very important elements of any fashion. Don't skip grooming and look up some tutorials if you need to.

No. 349677

About a year ago I took the plunge and sold most of my wardrobe. Mostly my filler and daily wear pieces, and I kept my longer more mature pieces. I had a lot of regrets for a while, I've loved Lolita for an entire decade and wore it daily for a few years out of that so it felt like tearing out a part of myself but now I have no regrets. I dwelled a lot on it, because like you I had a change of outlook on matters of appearance, but I wasn't sure if it was temporary or not, especially since being fed up with current "aesthetic culture" played quite the part in it. What finally pushed me to do it was getting a physical job where I can't dress up (I was a student before) and being freed of my obsession with always having a huge advertisement for my personality and tastes stuck onto my body.

Sometimes I wonder if I was a coward for giving up because of social changes. But I'm just so tired of how fucking lazy people are becoming in knowing each other. It's all about what you LOOK LIKE you enjoy, and everyone who isn't obnoxious as all hell is boring with no taste. It's always been a bit like this, we are all vulnerable to the power of fascination, but something changed recently, as actual culture and involvement stopped mattering completely in favor of being fancy and online. No one cares to know you and what you like. They can't make guesses based on your personality either - it has to be obvious by looking at you. YOU have to make all the effort to be known, because Internet socialization has influenced real life in this manner. This really ruined alternative fashion as a whole to me.

But also in a way I always hated that Lolita is a fashion-based subculture. At some point I rabbit-holed into goth music and comparing both crowds made something click in my mind (definitely not saying goths are perfect, just check the goth thread). I'm not saying we should gatekeep or change anything, but I really had a hard time with "it's just clothes" and the skin-deep part being the priority. It made the whole thing feel like a theater costume more than an actual subculture.

No. 349689

I hate lolita, especially if it's worn outside in normal streets. The clash of normal grey colored surroundings and overly feminine attire is a pain.
You can sell stuff for more expensive by appealing to aesthetic though. If you use the right lighting, pictures, keywords for the outfits, some people obsessed with trying to be aesthetic on budget can buy them for close to retail price. Then again your size also matters, it'd be easier to sell a S/M size outfit than an xs or xl.
Good luck. Try not to buy new stuff to fast after getting rid of your clothes and try to stick to classic and versatile pieces instead of flashy stuff.

No. 349716

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kek, are you lost ?

If you want to wear it daily : pay attention to your basics/layers and beware not to become a pathological main piece collector.

The "layering system" in lolita makes up the entirety of its practicality, it's like victorian fashion in this regard. Invest in good cotton blouses of various sleeve lengths, bloomers, socks. Buy undershirts to protect your clothes from the inside (I can't stress this enough. DO IT), you can get thermal ones for the winter. Blouses with detachable sleeves are a godsend. Fyeahlolita had good advice, albeit outdated, about wardrobe building for every day wear. One recommendation was to pick a base color (white/offwhite/black) and one or two main colors that preferably look good with each other. Picrel for sweet with the colors white/pink/blue. It's not perfect i.e. having a color blouse doesn't really add anything compared to another white blouse from experience, it gives only restrictions with no bonuses. Overall these clothes are far tougher than they look - a good quality cotton main piece can still look neat after two decades.

If you just want to wear it sometimes, you can do what the others say and buy coord-by-coord.

Building an outfit is stupid easy : if it matches, you can wear it. In fact there are a bunch of lolitas who suck at fashion outside of it. You just need about an ounce of common sense and to know your measurements. About your height, like another nona said, Metamorphose and Innocent World carry the most long dresses. From experience, Meta is the one that best accomodates larger frames and longer torsos. But that always depends on the piece and how it's cut. Taobao brands have multiple sizes - I didn't buy much from them as I hate polyester, but I like Infanta a lot, it's been around for a long time and the price point is good for a beginner, and the bigger sizes are quite long.

While I'm at it, since you're asking for websites : Devilinspired is a scam. Just in case.

No. 349727

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Thank you anon. You're right.
>you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies are
This is exactly what's holding me back I think. I've always found it silly to attach clothes to your identity but I subconsciously fell for it. My friends and people in my life often ask when I'll wear "one of my pretty dresses" again and even mention that I dress "like that" sometimes when they introduce me. I know they mean well and genuinely think it's cool but I think it made me internalize that it's a crucial part of who I am instead of a hobby.
I relate to everything you said. I also worse lolita daily at one point and I also felt like I was expressing myself. I got into goth music too, even before I got into lolita and it always bothered me how it's a fashion based subculture. I never really enjoyed going to meets because of that, I had nothing in common with lolitas in my comm aside from wearing the fashion.
Something that's going to be difficult for me to let go of is how many people are interested in talking to me whenever I go out in lolita. I met so many people just because they thought I looked cool and approached me but when I think about it now it actually saddens me a little bit. As you said, people mostly care about what kind of person you look like you are not who you actually are.

Thank you for understanding nonnies. Nobody irl would understand the situation so I'm glad for this thread!


No. 350047

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I'm >>349666 and when I took my lolita hiatus I still wore a lot of my favorite pieces and got a lot of compliments on my style. I made a little capsule wardrobe based on that if anyone's interested.

No. 350098

Is there such a thing as classic sweet? Like an in-between? Because while I love the colors and patterns of sweet most of the actual dress designs are too cutesy-poo for me, I don't like too many cutesy-style bows for instance. I prefer the cuts of classic but the colors and lack of patterns are boring to me kek.

No. 350137

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Innocent world?

No. 350149

seconding the other rec for innocent world, they have quite a few dresses with classic cuts yet sweet(ish) prints that pop up secondhand a lot. they're not really pastel vomit prints like ap though if that's what you're looking for.

No. 350166

Hm that's pretty nice, I'll check them out

No. 350184

I’ll never hand wash my clothes again. I just threw a few moitie and boz pieces in the washer on a regular 30c cycle and it was a huge success.

No. 350200

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Also Lolita adjacent "otome" brands are worth checking out. They often go super cheap second hand too. Pic related is emily temple cute.

No. 350248

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What even is the point of lolita anymore if you're not a teen hanging out with your fellow lolita friends in 90s/00s Tokyo…it's just not fun when you're old and alone. Does anybody know whether there even still are any women wearing it in Japan?
The comm closest to me looks like the worst itas ever posted to cgl combined and it seems like they bring their men and kids…
Recently even Misako Aoki's vlogs no longer bring me joy, those meet ups look so dull, boring, quiet, everybody aging, even Mana-sama got fatter lately.. I want to turn back time

No. 350261

I agree the magic about it is dead and that's why I don't wear it anymore. I think internet ruined it for me because everytime I meet a lolita I expect them to be a catty shitposter online and to be judging every inch of my appearance. I hope the next generation of lolitas are any better but it seems they're actually worse. It's a shame such a cute fashion is infested with women who literally hate and tear other women for the sake of their ego.

No. 350265

yes there is an active tokyo lolita comm, they have an instagram but I think made it private recently due to creepy moids or something. lolita is nowhere as popular as it was and the fashion is slowly dying both in japan/asia and the west imo.

No. 350269

samefag there are also lolita book club meetups where they look at old fashion magazines (hosted by indie brand designer rusanjinroom), plus the gothic and lolita market happens like once a month or more. the turnout for the gothic and lolita market seems decent from the photos but meetups are usually small even in tokyo.

No. 350310

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The lack of community sucks but I will wear these clothes until I die even if I'm the last one on earth doing so kek. I have noticed- most comms suck because they're full of old fat gendies, but sometimes I see teen girls wearing lolita with their friends and just hanging out, usually at cons or arcades. They're usually tiktok zoomers in taobao but imo they have the "fun" you mentioned more than the average jaded /cgl/ user. I think there's a generational shift happening, teenagers still get interested in lolita but it's a totally different scene compared to when a lot of oldfag lolitas started (many of whom are now aging and graduating from the fashion). Lolita won't die, but I do think it will look very different in the future.
also the zoomers love Malice Mizer I don't think Mana-sama's popularity is dying any time soom

No. 350343

>old and fat
Why do all lolitafags say these misogynistic stuff about women? Is there an overlap with anorexia and lolita? You guys were arguing that lolita wasn't about looking conventionally attractive and moreso about feminine fashion without appealing to men yet you turn around and trash on unconventional older women when you're also old yourself.

No. 350363

are you not aware you're on a gossip site where there are hundreds of threads for laughing at women who are fat, ugly, and mentally ill?

No. 350366

We don’t laugh at them because they’re old and fat. We laugh at them because they’re retarded. You could have just left it at gendies.

No. 350368

Mana will always rank Supreme no one will ever have what Mana had

No. 350373

there are tons of posts on the cow boards here shitting on women for being fat. it's always been that way and likely always will be.
>You could have just left it at gendies.
I'm not even the anon who made the mana-pic post.

No. 350381

I hate when anons say this is a gossip site whenever they're called out, calling random women fat and old isn't gossip worthy

No. 350383

ok but that doesn't make it any less true. this is a gossip site first and foremost. you can scroll through threads with female cows and see tons of posts tearing into them for being fat. that has been the case since the beginning of the site and even before back when drama was allowed on /cgl/. there is even a deathfat thread on /snow/ for anons to laugh at obese women. so apparently plenty do think it's gossip worthy.

No. 350388

/cgl/ anons who were men did most of the fatty hatred, probably because they were fat men who could only attract fellow hambeasts, it's weird to see lolitafags attack fatties when both you and the fatties are outcasts and weirdos in a normal person's eye. It's like how high functioning autists trash on low functionings to feel better about themselves.

No. 350393

>Is there an overlap with anorexia and lolita?
unironically yes kek. you kind of have to be to look decent in japanese sized clothes anyway

No. 350396

majority of the fat hatred here currently comes from women. a lot of it back then did too. fatties have always gotten shit on in the fashion - even the japanese lolitas used to poke fun at them on their anonymous imageboard back in the day. I'm not sure why this is such a foreign concept that there are lots of women who think being fat is gross and a thing of ridicule.

in terms of the fashion I think they get shit on so much in lolita because fatties have earned themselves a bad reputation by doing things such as stretching out/ruining brand dresses, buying replicas and using their fatness as an excuse, constantly screeching at brands to make bigger sizes then not buying said bigger sizes, being gross during comm meets (ordering a shit ton of food and shoveling it into their face, spilling food on their brand, smelling bad, etc), shooping themselves/denying being overweight, and generally being entitled nuisances. for the most part the fatties who are actually well-dressed and not unhinged typically don't get shat on.

No. 350585

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I been in 3 different comms in the last 5 years and each one has had a blatant AGP active in it. I'm so sick of this shit! And of course they never get booted because the only girls who can stand to be active enough in the comms to have a voice are the ones who don't mind or who let the trannies in in the first place!

No. 350618

The trick is to go to an occasional meet, befriend the good lolitas, then hold private meets with them. There's always been private communities in lolita.

No. 350626

>even the japanese lolitas do it, must be okay to do it
then you guys wonder why your comms are full of gendies. anyone with common sense doesn't want to join a community that's either anorexic delusional women saying any woman should look like a victorian waif while dressing lolita or perish, or gendies who wont say any kind of criticism on your face in fear of being cancelled.
>ruining brand dresses
never ceases to amaze me how lolitas think private purchases are a community asset. not even the most deranged doll collectors would consider a doll a community asset if one were to customize a rare doll to the point it is not original and untouched anymore, for example.

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Did a favorite dress 3x3 (some of these I own, some I don't)
They're pretty fun to make though.

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Then my friend was like 'we should do a most hated dresses one'
Only did brand since I felt like including taobao was cheating.

No. 350638

>bad reputation by doing things such as stretching out/ruining brand dresses
Who cares? They're clothes, you can pretty easily find thousands of other options.

No. 350639

Tbf Japanese troons are a bit different to western troons, they're usually at least polite, don't stink, don't weigh 400lbs and might even actually male effort with their coords. American trannies are just always the most ugly disgusting smelly annoying weird obnoxious perverts in existence. I don't want troons at any meet but I'd rather have Jap ones than American or British ones simply because they have a bit more decorum and dont stink like shit.

No. 350640

Everyone looks kinda fat in lolita to me tbh. Especially modern lolita with the endless petticoats and light pastel colors, everyone ends up looking pretty big unless theyre absolutely tiny to begin with.

When I look through old fruits or GLB magazines and stuff most of the Japanese lolitas are pretty stocky and have thick legs and arms, they arent obese or whatever but they don't look skinny even by western standards. I've always associated lolita with chubbiness, it just gives that vibe, but I agree that massive landwhales ruin the image of the fashion. At the risk of sounding controversial, most lolitas are itas imo, not in terms of outfits per se but you can't deny there's a lot of pretty unattractive and overweight women in the movement both in japan and the west, it used to annoy me but as you get older you stop caring so much, and just learn to appreciate the outfits rather than caring about lolitas faces or bodies.

No. 350641

Sissy is an AGP fetish and sissy fetish outfits basically just look like big pink frilly super cheap Chinese lolita dresses. So it makes sense these sissy fetish fans try to infiltrate the lolita subculture too because its associated with hyperfeminity and troons can't wait to get their greasy mitts on it.

No. 350642

This is a good tip but unfortunately most of the lolitas in my country are tumblrina types who also love yaoi and jrock and worship gay moids and men dressing in makeup and women's clothing. It's kind of like gothic subculture where everyone becomes too open minded, because goths are already seen as outcasts by society anyway, so they start accepting every undesirable outcast troon and fetish weirdo and become obnoxiously liberal and pro lgbt to tbe point tne community becomes completely compromised by degens.

No. 350644

>who also love yaoi
>and jrock and worship gay moids and men dressing in makeup and women's clothing

No. 350648

I feel really happy when I meet older lolitas tbh. The people I look up to most are old school lolitas who are in their 30s and 40s now. Of course many of then don't wear lolita on a regular basis because they have kids and studf but when they do they can still pull it off usually because they have so much experience with styling outfits and being part of the subculture.

Also a lot of lolitas age pretty well I've noticed maybe because they don't tend to be into drugs alcohol and partying as much as normies or maybe because they do Asian skincare usually. Fannyrosie is like 35 and still looks gorgeous and wears her coords as well as ever.

Hyperfeminine fits with lots of pink and frills are definitely more popular with zoomers than ever. Theres a small indie Korean lolita themed brand I follow thats targeted more at zoomers and almost every single piece they make is sold out extremely quickly so there's obviously a demand for it. But I agree the focus is less on quality nowadays and more about just the overall vibe or aesthetic. Zoomers don't care about brand and don't have the money for it either. Also they don't care so much about the rules or outfit etiquette anymore, they will mix the more elaborate pieces with casual stuff like tshirts and camis more. Fashion in general is becoming much more throwaway. Zoomers see no point in investing in a 40000 yen JSK that they will get a lot of wear out of because repeating outfits is a death sentence to them.

No. 350649

The bitchiness and negativity is definitely what killed the community imo. Sure gossiping and shitposting is fun but when it gets to the point you don't know if the girls you are meeting up with are going to be trying to sneak bad candids to post on cgl later or making fun of you and calling you ita behind your back then it breaks down the trust and good vibes in the community. Any sensible person wouldn't want to be involved in that world and add to that the financial strain of constantly having to buy new pieces and getting priced out of the market by greedy collectors all the time it's so much pressure on the women in the movement. Even though wearing lolita is incredibly fun it's also a high effort, snobby, competitive and costly lifestyle to engage in. Many lolitas dress to impress others, but if there's already so much negativity in the community (not even taking into account the negativity from strangers who don't get the subculture at all and think it's a joke) then you can see why so many women leave the community as they see its pointless.

No. 350654

Honestly I unironically think it's to do with the economy. I heard when the economy is bad people become more austere and conservative in many aspects of their lives (and it certainly feels that way nowadays, politically, fashion wise, etc) people don't have as much money as they used to and the cost of living is getting more expensive, young people simply don't have the money to spend 300, 400 dollars a pop on a jumper skirt plus all the other accessories. The financial crash happened in 2008 and Japan's economy has been going through a shit recession for years now, the yen is so weak. I think it took a couple years to sink in for everyone but lolita and jfashion definitely started dying after the early 2010s and got replaced by cheap fast fashion and Chinese mass produced shit. Lolita is kind of a product of its time and global financial status.

No. 350655

I saw plenty of lolitas who handmade pretty pieces years ago but I've not seen many impressive pieces in recent years tbh. There's been a general decline in quality of many things but especially fabric imo, as more and more clothing companies outsource all their fabric to crappy cheap chinese factories who use the same crappy dyes and printing machines because it costs less money. I remember being able to buy yards of beautiful patterned fabric that was made in Japan a decade ago for quite cheap, but nowadays they'd be charging an extortionate price for such a thing. Material isn't as gold quality as it used to be unless you're willing to pay top dollar or get lucky and find a bunch of vintage fabric that is in good condition. Wearing brand is just easier and less effort, you can't really go wrong with it, but the material quality is also slowly dying even with brand nowadays because the brands need to cut costs to make up for dwindling sales.

No. 350656

Japanese people take fashion super seriously and also (used to) have a massive cult of brand loyalty. Other subcultures like gyaru and himegyaru were definitely just as bad if not worse tbh, if you were wearing Jesus Diamante or whatever you were expected to wear nothing but JD from top to bottom, JD had a serious cult in the day and strangely still kind of does somehow despite dwindling in popularity for a decade. Same with DIA if you look at old pictures of the black diamond gyaru or whatever you’ll notice basically everything they are wearing except their shoes is from DIA. You were expected to use DIA perfume, wear only DIA tops shirts hoodies shorts belts and even jewelry, had to display their logo all over your outfit to show how loyal you were to the brand etc.

I believe it started with the Japanese shop girls who were expected to be models and ambassadors for the brand. Wearing another brand was seen as disloyal and bad form to the company so they would basically have to wear nothing but head to toe from the same brand then other girls saw it and started copying it, it became a way to prove how dedicated you were to the subculture, but really it was just a marketing ploy.

No. 350664

you seem to be inferring things I did not say. I never mentioned anything about my personal opinion on whether I think it's ok or not, all I'm pointing out is that fatties always have been and will continue to be made fun of. it doesn't matter if you or anyone else personally doesn't like it since you cannot control what others think and say.
people welcoming predators and fetishists into comms is a much more pressing issue than the occasional weight sperging that is easily ignored by avoiding certain /cgl/ threads.
some lolitas are super obsessive over certain dresses especially older/rarer ones. maybe it's an autism or ocd thing? to some these dresses are like an important historical artifact that must be preserved so they take it personally when a dress they deem important is ruined.
yeah I can kinda see that especially with all the poof of ott sweet.
I don't have an issue with ugly/slightly chubby women wearing the fashion and can still appreciate when they have good coords. obviously there are a lot that do take issue however. it's when they're very overweight yet try to cram themselves into super tiny dresses that I think looks ridiculous.
looking back at old street snaps a lot of these women would be made fun of for being ugly if these pics were taken in recent years and there has been a trend of lolitas thinking that not wearing makeup makes the coord ita which is dumb imo. I agree about appreciating the outfits above all.

No. 350667

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why do you hate ap gingham color scheme and ap cotton candy shop? I'm surprised picrel didn't make it on the list

No. 350671

Yeah most lolitas are unattractive because they're not normie women, that's why it's so funny to me when a chubby uggo trashes on another chubby uggo. It's like watching retards fight.
They should either not judge other women or not look horrendous themselves so it doesn't look ironic when they call out other women's flaws but we both know that the unattractive anons are the ones to mock other women the most. It's proven right every time some regular poster in a cows thread gets exposed and they turn out to be ugly fat and old themselves.

No. 350720

I actually kind of appreciate the diversity of looks in the Lolita comms now tbh. I used to bitch about them and I feel regretful of that because I was brainwashed by stupid mainstream beauty standards, both western and Japanese. For instance there’s one Lolita I follow and she would probably be facially rated like a 3/10 by normies, she has a really big kinda hooked nose and large chin and longish face but her coords are just so amazing and well put together that she looks great regardless, idk after years of instagram hoes who all look the same and all get the same plastic surgery, it’s genuinely refreshing to see more women with all kinds of diverse features and body shapes. Same when you look back at old Japanese street fashion lolita shots, even if the women are conventionally considered unattractive or funny looking they can still look incredible in a good coord. Lolita fashion is pretty cool because it’s so hyper feminine, even if you are kind of homely looking or whatever you can still look very cute in a good Lolita outfit, I’ve definitely started appreciating the girls in these comms way more.

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Lolita peaked in the 2000s for me. I feel like the designs are getting uglier and making people look like giant stupid babies.

I don’t like the
>excessive petticoats
>excessively large curly wigs especially those in pink or lilac or other unnatural pastel colours
>not enough sensible use of black in modern coords to make outfits look more mature, everything is either pastel baby vomit or boring victorian dull colours like navy and brown
>trying to look too childish in general
Old school lolita got the balance between elegant and mature and cute IMO. Everything nowadays is either way too childish or way too dull and boring.
Sorry for ranting just my opinion.

No. 350726

He actually looks really nice! I wish they had given him a shave or gotten the same people from the host club video to do his hair and makeup though.

No. 350727

>why do you hate ap gingham color scheme
I don't like it when people mix too many pastels and I haaaate yellow most of the time.
>and ap cotton candy shop
Too sugary sweet, other OTT sweet prints at least have some balance (though I'm not a fan of stuff like milky planet either) but cotton candy shop just hurts my eyes with all the stuff going on.
>surprised picrel didn't make it on the list
I like the print actually! The collar could have been better and I'm not a huge fan of the stripes but the base print of the geese is very pretty.

No. 350728

Does anyone know why many of the most popular lolita youtubers are so autistic, grating and annoying? They seem to try and act overly sassy and badass to counteract the sweet image and its very cringe. It’s one of the most extreme female autism examples I’ve seen.

No. 350761

God I really hope the trend of ‘annoying obnoxious white male youtuber trying to be centre of attention in Japan while treating every experience there like he’s on some bizarre alien planet’ fad dies out.

No. 350764

Omg I miss my old high school librarian she was in her thirties and half Japanese and used to wear brand and Lolita style clothes to work everyday, she always had jpop cds and mangas to rent and even had some copies of fruits magazine to borrow too.

No. 350773

most of these are atrocious but I like the Meta camo one.

No. 350777

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If anyone can, could people provide resources or places to shop for beginner/cheap lolita? I'm a newfag who was planning on getting into it but I'm not sure if I wanna go completely head first in.

I did know about things like the GLB from some youtube videos and some brands like Angelic Pretty having a store in California I believe but thats it.

I also wanna do stuff thats more simple and basic like bottom left outfit in pic. Thanks.

No. 350783

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When you're a beginner dipping your toe in, it will be tempting to buy cheap but I highly recommend not doing that. You will most likely look wrinkly, cheap and disheveled. If you want anything of decent quality for cheap, you're going to have to know what you're looking for already and be constantly lurking on the secondhand market for a deal, like anything else. Just invest in one good outfit with highly sought brands, and in the end if you don't like lolita, it will at least have some resale value.

Instead, find some pictures of outfits you like a lot and see what brands she's wearing. and then when you go shopping, shop for those brands only, even for the accessories like bags or socks. Make sure you pay a lot of attention to your hairstyle and makeup, too. (Compare it to snaps you like.)

As for great places for beginners to shops, there is Wunderwelt and Closetchild. They both ship internationally. I wouldn't call them cheap but average prices, although Closetchild occasionally puts up great deals if you know what you're looking for, but anyways they're easy to use and usually have a good selection.

There aren't many good resources for lolita. Unfortunately the community is very catty and it seems to be a trend that cute and talented girls who attempt to be a Youtuber or anything like that tend to get bullied harshly until they quit. There are like a thousand "beginner guide to lolita" videos and articles if you just Google it, I'm not sure how helpful any of those are, I also feel I should point out that many lolitas are incredibly dishonest and will tell you you look good even if you objectively look like terrible, for example a prominent figure in the community Tyler Willis encourages men to wear beards with their coords, so rely on your own good judgement and don't listen too much to others. You'd do better to find what you like visually and imitate it to a T.


No. 350789

I did some digging into /cgl/ so I got some basic resources and even talked to some people deep into lolita.

I've heard of Buyee and Lace Market (recommendations) but I'll check out Wunderwelt and Closetchild.

I already had an idea of how the Lolita community might be so I think I have a good head on my shoulders, thank you nonnie!

No. 350794

I second the other anon who mentioned Closet Child and Wunderwelt as good places to buy from. They have great explanations of the condition a piece is in, you won't get any surprise stains or tears. It's tempting to buy cheaper items that are quite heavily damaged but unless you know what you're doing I wouldn't try to fix them. You can buy from Taobao too, there are loads of guides on how to buy from there and which shopping services to use. You can also use Lacemarket, which you won't need a shopping service for. Altered clothes tend to be cheaper but the type and quality of the alterations will vary wildly, so again bear that in mind.
Plan out a few coordinates based on a main piece- if you can't think of any coordinates, get a different main piece. Find a color scheme and stick to that color scheme like glue (use the color of main piece plus colors of any details on that main piece and match the shades). Look up the measurements of a piece you want to buy and see if it'll fit, there's not a lot of stretch in most lolita clothing so ideally you want to be at least half an inch smaller than the measurements given, and OP, JSK, blouse and skirt measurements are sometimes different so don't assume you'll fit comfortably into all of them.
Repeating coords is normal in lolita but ideally you want a lot of accessories so you can get more wear out of them. Invest in nice blouses, ideally with a mix of fabric weights, sleeve lengths, and details. Get several pairs of socks and tights that match your main piece. When you expand your wardrobe, it's not a bad idea to match your new purchase to the accessories you already own. Make sure your petticoat matches the skirt shape of whatever you're wearing.

No. 350796

ntayrt but I'd recommend getting shoes and purses from taobao because the brand ones are often low quality despite their high prices and have a tendency to flake/fall apart (especially pleather bags and shoes). if you plan on wearing jewelry, you really don't need to buy brand for that either especially if you're not going for the ott sweet look. lots of gothic and classic lolitas wear vintage, indie, and handmade jewelry. utk socks and wristcuffs are also able to be purchased from taobao, indie, or handmade as long as you get a feel for what looks good first. keep in mind most stuff that isn't japanese brand won't have a high resale value.

No. 350797

Thank you guys, but I heard some sketchy things from Taobao so I guess tread with caution.

I for one am very into the gothic and classic kind, kind of like a preppy look that's simple but I do love some jumper skirts that have unique patterns or designs.

I already have a feel for fashion already and know not to mix patterns of course, try neutrals to mix and match, use same color schemes/be monochromatic, etc. My stepmother also sews so I can ask her for help.

No. 350827

Realized I can’t stand prints. They look so infantile.

No. 350828

Noob here. Do the new AP and Baby skirts come with built in petticoats? I’m trying to find skirts and jsks that don’t have any petticoat built in but it’s hard.

No. 350829

NTA but we laugh at women who are terrible people. If they are fat and ugly then yeah we might make fun of that too but we don’t make fun of people because of their appearance unless they are bad people to begin with.

No. 350830

I love old school Lolita so much too, I’m an oldfag who has been interested in lolita since like 2004 and my mom buying me the kamikaze girls dvd but I never really dressed as it because I disliked standing out too much irl. Now I’m just starting to dress lolita and I actually wish there were more girls into it so I wouldn’t feel like I’m gonna get called ita for not having massive petticoats padding out my butt or for wearing a black and white outfit and getting accused of French maid frauding. I also find most of the new sweet releases kind of hideous because I strongly dislike prints and massive skirts. But I don’t feel gatekeepy towards oldschool like I said I actually wish it would have a proper revival and wasn’t just a thing for occasional meets.

No. 350839

Nta but nah, there's tons of milkless boring people that get sperged over solely for being ugly (see literally any infight in celebricows, half the posts in the "punchable faces" thread)

No. 350922

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That's my plan with my new comm. My last comm had a really blatant sissy that seemed to go to every. single. meet. And almost all of the public meets were in crowded places like shopping malls, so it was just too embarrassing for me. My new comm thankfully has lower key meets and a pet tranny that's slightly less dedicated and kind of almost passes.

Look at pictures from after the year 2013 time-traveler chan

I agree newbies should stick to brand as much as possible, except for shoes and bags. Since you like such simple pieces, maybe you could just get offbrand shoes. Look at a brand you like on library.org, see if they've ever sold shoes that look like something you could buy in stores and then do that. You want to be able to try them on in person ideally. Payy attention to heel height, visual weight, leather type, heel and toe shapes, and any embellishments. If you have a big budget, American duchess has some shoes that would be cute with the pic you originally posted.

>I also find most of the new sweet releases kind of hideous because I strongly dislike prints and massive skirts
Baby literally has pieces first released in 2005 in stock on its website rn?

No. 351057

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Mm…it looked nicer in the stock photos, I'd still love to own the skirt and tie someday though.

No. 351064

Inexcusable quality for the price. Like a bad 2008 ebay off the peg cosplay.

No. 351070

why did it sell for such a crazy high price? were there only a small amount made?

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maybe because it's a collaboration.

No. 351113

Lol this is ridiculous what a waste of money

No. 351115

Nonas have had any of you had experiences being harassed or attacked while wearing Lolita? I had a pretty scary experience today with two moids in the street and I’m still a bit shaken up. My friend was with me too and I thought I would be okay but we still got followed and accosted. I’m terrified to wear Lolita outside alone tbh even though I really want to. How do you cope with street or public transport harassment?

No. 351133

They haven't come with built-in petticoats for years. Very little post-2014 has built-in petticoats.
You have to just ignore them and get to where you're going quickly. Normally the bigger the group of people the less likely you are of getting harassed.

No. 351154

Carry a parasol with you, they make pretty good weapons especially if they have the point

No. 351168

I'm aware it's a danganronpa collaboration but it doesn't look like the quality is on par with other btssb releases, it's just a cosplay outfit with a btssb tag slapped on it

No. 351172

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Yeah I got harassed a bit when I used to wear lolita daily, as other anon suggested go out with a friend when you can or at least bring pepper spray kek. The amount of harassment you get will really depend on where you live imo. Living in a city I get weird stares at worst but when I lived in the suburbs people would stop me a lot more often, sometimes harassment or just rude curiosity. All you can really do is ignore them

No. 351179

Carry mace and or a gun in your cute lil purse. Don’t engage with harassers or weirdos, if they try to approach you don’t be friendly, simply keep it moving, also try to get a car or ubers/taxis more, public transport is too risky IMO especially if you are alone. For some reason I find that moids leave me alone more if I wear a mask because I feel like it kind of desexualizes and hides me in a way, so you could maybe try that. Trust me almost every Lolita I’ve talked to has gone through harassment or assault, I know girls who’ve had men try to hit or punch them, had food or drinks thrown at them, got screamed at, laughed at etc. It basically depends how safe and civilized your town is, my experience is the opposite of the above nona tbh I found in more rural places nobody cared or bothered me but in the city there are way more creeps and antisocial teens who will try to bother you.

No. 351181

I think lolita has become too obsessed with looking perfect nowadays. People forget that it was meant to express teenage rebellion against ultra strict formal Japanese society, and has roots in punk. I feel like old school lolita really captured that punky essence: coords, hair and makeup were less perfect but still extremely cool and cute, and you could see the individuality of each Lolita coming through. Nowadays there are so many stupid rules and judgments, and it’s about looking like an actual perfect porcelain doll clone dressed head to toe in the latest brand release, rather than picking what you like and expressing yourself while sticking to the basic formula. The internet and anonymity meant there was a lot of bitching even in the early 2000s but lately it has become unbearably judgey and catty and filled with scrotes too, I can see why so many girls are leaving. Not only that but the most aggressively bitchy scalper type girls appoint themselves as queen bee within in their comms and kind of shun everyone who doesn’t meet their standards nor has as much money as them, while welcoming troons galore.

No. 351196

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I feel like for a lot of people that's enough of a reason for them to buy it though, I really love DR and Celes as a character and BTSSB is my favorite brand so I'd imagine it's a nice way of showing your love.
With that being said though the collab piece I'm actually on the hunt for is the Shinku set from IW.

No. 351198

>I know girls who’ve had men try to hit or punch them, had food or drinks thrown at them, got screamed at, laughed at etc.
That's so depressing to hear and I'm sorry to the nonas in the thread if they've gone through this type of harassment! I'm happy I've never been directly harassed while wearing lolita.

No. 351225

Ya one of my favorite lesser known lolitas made a video saying that even though most comments are positive towards her or just usual annoying normies saying she looks like bo peep or singing barbie girl or whatever, she’s had teenage boys throw food and cans of drinks at her, when she was going into a shop one guy screamed ‘WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT’ towards her while his gf was laughing at her hysterically, she’s had men attempt to spit at her, she’s been grabbed and men come up and start trying to lift her skirt up and stuff (so she said she began wearing shorts or culottes under every outfit in public because of this). She said that two of her friends got approached by a moid who said they both should be raped. What I’ve heard from most Lolitas I have spoken to is that 99% of the negative or serious harassment always comes from moids, for some reason, lolita fashion triggers moids and makes them weirdly aggressive, maybe because it’s desexualised and cutesy and men chimp out towards anything that seems vulnerable and innocent.

No. 351574

I remember a lolita I followed on LJ in 2010 saying how some muslim scrotes threw literal stones at her for wearing AP. They're fucking unhinged. I wonder if the harassment is worse depending on the country? I've had people yell shit or sing at me or honk their cars but nothing ever physical. Carrying a parasol as >>351154 mentioned is the first tip I heard from fellow lolitas in my comm when I was a newbie.

No. 351618

Seems like despite being so successful and cute even Misako Aoki struggles with aging a lot.
I don't understand everything but sounds like being 40 and still unmarried/childless is really hard for her, plus negative comments of people telling her she's too old makes her think about stopping wearing lolita. sad

No. 351623

This is so sad, she doesn’t even look like she doesn’t takes care of herself, which is what makes people look old, she looks amazing actually. I really hate how women can’t enjoy shit because moids and other women will get mad.

No. 351663

the fuck, she doesnt look 40 lol moids are seething

No. 351665

Misako always seemed like someone who struggled with depression to me. In a lot of her old interviews from 10+ years ago she just seems really exhausted, depressed and has a general lack of energy/excitement. I expected it was probably gonna get worse as she aged, because Lolita seems such a huge part of her life.

No. 351722

That's so sad, I always idolized her, if not even she can cope, how should I…
I remember reading 5+ years ago that she tried dating apps and said that she knows that if she uses a pic of her as nurse she could find a man but to her lolita is more important. But I guess as years pass by…

Are you sure? I always thought it's her eye shape and makeup plus her acting "ladylike".
This might just be my assumption but judging by her videas the japanese lolita scene and therefore her job changed a lot too. Back then she was a small celebrity, attended huge events with other lolita friends and went around introducing stores. Now those barely exist anymore, her fellow models are all mommies now (hell even butch Akira…), the few tea parties seem boring and not like she has any friends and the majority of events are in China now because girls there are the only ones still buying and wearing it.

No. 351723

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Does anybody remember Moon Kana? She was the og model for old GLB and a vk-ish singer. She's now also 40+ but still wears lolita (seemingly all the time). She moved to Canada ages ago, got married and had kids but her husband seems supportive and also dresses up sometimes.

Many comments on Misako's video are supportive from other women in their 40s or older who didn't give up or even only started now but if it makes you lonely and full of regrets like her… But stopping lolita because of societys expectations could also cause regrets… it's just sad.

No. 351734

Idk it just always felt like she was tired and depressed but putting on a fake happy persona. Not uncommon in Japanese society, she was working as a nurse and a model which is exhausting in itself and she was probably told to diet all the time too

No. 351736

Yes! I love her even though her music makes my ears bleed. She was my favorite model and I still love her unique style and how she hand makes all her clothes.

No. 351739

I was never really a fan, I think most pro lita models are generally dry and very boring, either overly inoffensive and sugary or try too hard to be the cool aloof girl. I do miss this timeline though.

No. 351743

Ageism is really bad in Japan, anything over 25 is seen as completely over the hill. She was in her late 20s and early 30s when she really blew up so I thought she would be able to get over the ageist comments by now. But anyway she hasn’t aged much in the last decade so she shouldn’t worry. Old ladies were rocking rococo dresses back in the day, Vivienne Westwood was dressing in mini crinis in middle age, the wonderful thing about the whole Marie Antoinette aesthetic is that it suits every woman from age 0 to 100.

No. 351744

Is there any other lolita comm that isn’t compromised by troons? Lolcow is stalked by that one deranged tranny and I hate 4chan. I loved using LJ back in the day but it’s kinda dead now.

No. 351750

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Found the old interview in which she talked about dating (and also quitting), it's from 4 years ago.
Pic is her at 18 but it's true that her height was rather at 30.
>Is it really OK for me to keep being a lolita?' I often wonder. While I do believe that one shouldn't worry about wearing 'age-appropriate' clothing, my thoughts still turn to age when I'm having a meal with friends who are married and raising children. 'Is it really OK for me to keep dressing like this?'
>The first time she felt pressure to quit lolita fashion was at 25 years old. She had been a nurse for 5 years and was working full time at a hospital when the Ministry of Foreign Affairs nominated her to be a cultural ambassador. She switched from working full time in the hospital to part-time and in-home care to make enough time for cultural ambassador duties, but she felt very conflicted about it.
>Just as I was hitting my stride with both of my careers, everyone around me was getting married. Once you turn 30, people start getting married in droves. I started getting anxious about that. As a nurse and lolita I'm primarily surrounded by women, so I hadn't met any men I wanted to date. A friend of mine recommended an online dating app to me. And as you might expect, men were really put off when I met them dressed in lolita. They'd say things like 'that's way too gaudy, you have to stop wearing that' or 'I can't bring you to meet my parents dressed like that.' I felt prejudice from every single date.
Most people in Japan get married super late if at all, it makes no sense that hobbies and fashion is limited to kids only. But it's the sad truth, yesterday I saw quite a big gyaru yt channel and some of them were unironically 13…

I only came across her youtube and ig recently, do you know if she has she been active all this time or just now again?

No. 351753

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She stopped appearing in GLB around the mid 2000s I think, which is a shame because she was one of the most prominent models and shared a lot of her patterns. She was doing music and social media then suddenly disappeared for a bunch of years, I think during the late 10s and the pandemic, it was a bit worrying. Turns out she had just moved to Canada, married there and had two children, as you said. So yes, it is only recently that she returned online and still wears and makes lolita clothes.

No. 351764

I didn’t realize how much plastic surgery she’s had. Disappointing desu.

No. 351767

In Japan your teen years are seen as the last chance you have to express yourself shamelessly through fashion, crazy hair, wild behavior and partying or whatever. Then you’re expected to go back to dressing boringly, go to work everyday and dye your hair back to a safe black or brown again. By around 20 a lot of people drop out of any scenes they are in and at 25 it’s really unusual for people to still be active members. I think it’s changing a bit nowadays as Japan becomes more westernized and open minded (they’ve even been putting plus size models in shop windows for a few years ago which a decade or two ago would have been practically unheard of) but in Misakos generation it’s definitely seen as kind of strange and weird for a woman to be still dressing in a Harajuku style like lolita daily at 30-40, so I’m not surprised she faces a lot of prejudice.

Japan is weird because on one hand they’re very open minded about fashion and aesthetics and you can wear the craziest most impractical stuff in the street there and absolutely no Japanese person will bother you, but at the same time they’re pretty socially conservative and judgey of a persons life stages if they’re seen to be deviating from the ‘correct’ path, even if it’s just wearing unusual clothing.

I remember reading interviews with the really old manba and ganguro girls from the 90s and 2000s, and they would say people called them scum, cockroaches, freaks and spit at them and stuff. They were also quite bullied at school by other girls and would often drop out early because of it. After a while being a crazy ganguro girl became trendy so a lot of girls started copying them. They would also sometimes purposely try to taint their own image and feed into the native stereotypes to rebel, like would not bathe, brag about engaging in prostitution and break social cues like laughing and talking loudly on the subway or gathering to sit in the red light district which also earned them a bad reputation. Lolitas have a less bad reputation but they are still generally seen as kind of weird by Japanese people.

No. 352092

In Japan women basically adopt the tsundere bad girl or sweet cutesy nice girl personality in middle school and stick with it for life.

No. 352096

My comm doesn't have any MTF troons thankfully, but we have some enbies and an FTM or two. I'll take it over having to be near an actual man.

No. 352307

There's a singular troon who comes to meets maybe once a year. People avoid the ones he goes to because he's an overdramatic hideous gay moid. The cosplay community hates him, the idol community hates him, even the mods hate him (am friends with some of the mods and they've told me outright) but they're afraid of banning him over optics because he doesn't overtly dress like a sissy and would rather just send private invitations and exclude him as if he's going to get the hint one day. It's so frustrating. Just ban his ass. Apart from that there's a singular ouji enby but she's pretty harmless.
Our sister city's comm was invaded by FTM troons and all the normal lolitas left the comm and just meet up as friends now or come to meets here. As a result that comm's basically dead.

No. 352317

Middle Eastern and North African scrotes were always the worst whenever I attended meetups in the bigger cities. They would walk right up to our group, stick their phones in our faces and film us while very aggressively asking shit like “How much for blowjob? How much for anal?” This happened multiple times. Even when they didn’t come up to us they’d scream at us from across the street, calling us baby whores and shit. And the annoying thing is that my comm is ultra-woke so we literally couldn’t even acknowledge that this happened because that would be racist or Islamophobic or whatever, so instead girls would vent their frustration by complaining about the “horrible Karens” who did nothing except stare at us on public transport. I honestly felt like I was going crazy a few of those occasions, like did I imagine that? Did no one else see them? Why isn’t anyone talking about it? It’s a big part of the reason that I barely attend meets anymore.

My comm is overrun by female they/thems and we have a history of seriously deranged sissy AGP troons but as far as I can tell, the current crop of male troons is (almost) exclusively online. The handful of times they’ve shared photos or measurements you could tell they were giant hulking ogres so I suppose they realise deep down that actually attending a meet with real women will drive home the size difference and shatter their uwu smol loli uwu delusion. Good. Stay home and keep your nasty Taobao maid shit in your filthy rooms.

No. 352549

Any tips for wearing lolita in extreme cold, like -30C? Tights aren’t really enough but I really hate wearing pants. I thought about wearing multiple pairs of insulated tights but it just made my legs look too thick. Are there any Lolita boots that are actually warm and aren’t just full of holes for decoration?

No. 352560

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there are some longer cute coats that go down way past the knees and should help keep legs warm. you can wear warm socks underneath boots overtop of your tights, get socks that aren't quite long enough to be visible over top the boots so that it doesn't matter if they don't match your coord. earmuffs or cute fluffy hats (like those bunny hoods), scarves, and gloves can be incorporated into the coord to keep warm while looking cute. wearing a wig will help keep trap heat in too. you can wear a pair of thick tights with utks on top of them if done right - pic related is an example that looks decent imo.

No. 352561

Look on taobao around winter and you'll find fleece and/or fur-lined lolita winter boots. Coats are a must if you're going out in lolita in that weather, and you can get fleece bloomers and cutsews which help with the cold immensely. Then of course look into mittens, hats, scarves.

No. 352703

Speaking of coats, anyone know where to find some lolita coats for chubbyish girls? I bought a secondhand alice and the pirates coat that seemed like it would fit a while ago but I sadly cannot fully close the buttons at my chest.
It gets fairly cold where I live so I also would prefer something actually warm.

No. 352712

What substyle? I have a recommendation for sweet but no idea for gothic or classic.

No. 352766

Sweet's fine

No. 352806

A layer of wool underneath everything. Thick wool socks, sheepskin soles. Wool sweaters.

No. 353408

Sorry anon, I ordered a custom-sized coat from a taobao store last year and it was really nice but it looks like it's been replaced with a petticoat seller. They used to have a bunch of knee-length sweet coats and offered custom sizing. Here's the link in case they add the coats back once winter starts but I'm not hopeful. https://shop104350987.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.1000126.3.56773adfCrtH9c

No. 354406

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Usakumya looking like a domestic abuse victim

No. 354436

I think I have the same ties around my curtains

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Two stupid questions:

Does anyone know if pic related are comfortable to walk in? I've been debating about getting a pair for a while. Or maybe I should get a similar pair from American Duchess?

How much do EU nonnas usually like to mark down their packages? I've never bought anything expensive from outside the EU before.

No. 355641

probably wouldnt be called ita anyway because not fat or tall.

No. 355723

>>352317 This makes me really sad for some reason. I have trouble following the logic of your ex-comm. I'm from the 'MENA' (cringe term but i'd rather stay vague) myself, and have no problem discussing the harrassment issue with fellow MENA women. This is just going to lead to more frustration and eventual racism

No. 355767

what are you on about? she was getting torn apart in the ita thread for mutilating that poor usakumya

No. 359649

It feels like the secondhand market is moving slowly right now. I'm noticing that there are more listings on LM than I've seen in a while, and recently I went to a swap meet where hardly anyone was able to sell anything because everyone showed up to sell and not really buy. I guess it might be reflective of the wider economic situation right now, at least in my region where the consensus is that we're not quite in a recession yet, but we're a bit close to being in one. Are any of you noticing similar trends?

No. 360446

Not to start anything or looking for ass pats. I used to play soccer for years and a result I have thick ass calves, not fat, muscles. I don’t wear the Otks that come with sets because I end up stretching them. Do any ex or current sporty Lolita’s have any advice or coord tips? Like if a brand doesn’t have tights to go with a jsk where do y’all get your tights.

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I wish there was more posting on this thread as the mods here actually fucking bother to delete shit stirring and ban people. /CGL/ is such a shithole now and full of bait and aggressive petty anons.

Are you from the US anon? Things are pretty bad here and expensive so I imagine that's why buying has slowed down. I'm trying to purge some things from my wardrobe just to have some extra money. I get a lot of faves on LM but never anyone actually buying despite the decent pricing. I always get sour when I see people buying ugly as sin taobao dresses that cost even MORE than brand ones. So bizarre.

No. 360828

Stimulus checks dried up, people don’t have money to spend 400 bucks on a jsk anymore

No. 360884

what I find odd is that there are plenty of people able to afford new brand - like ap, btssb, and moitie sells out of some new releases still, and indie brands like summer tales and wirehead also sell out too so there are a sizable amount of lolitas with money to spare even though the secondhand market is pretty shit right now. maybe all the lolitas that are flush with cash have their dream dresses already and are more focused on acquiring new releases? but yeah most countries right now are not in the best economic situation ever since the whole covid thing went down so I'm sure that is also playing a part.

No. 361341

I think it's just because the ten is so low. Why buy western second hand when you can go straight to the source for the same price or cheaper.

No. 361374

Lolitas still exist, most of the smart ones just decided to stop fucking with comms and posting their pictures to the internet because the community is so toxic and also now full of moids

No. 361380

>like ap, btssb, and moitie sells out of some new releases still
I'd place my bets on chinese lolitas.

Otherwise I can't blame people for deciding to buy new, considering half of the second hand market right now are retards sitting on their damaged, decade old items trying to sell them for their original price. I barely even bother with japanese second hand websites anymore for that reason. Everything cheap immediately gets bought up by the same few scalpers and all that's left are $400 dresses no one even wants. Even livejournal comm sales prices weren't that bad. I'm honestly so glad I have a more than fulfilling wardrobe already, being a newbie right now must suck so hard.

No. 361525

I think you should also consider that some lolitas just get to the point where they are satisfied with what they already own and slow down their spending a lot after a while. I know right now i am at the point where i only buy 1 or 2 things a year.

No. 361552

Retards on LM refusing to ship outside the US or europe doesn't help, it's a common enough complaint where I hail from that most have stopped checking it altogether and chosen to just stick to japanese second-hand. Same price, same shipping, and none of the dealing with a bitch too lazy and/or stupid to handle international mail

No. 362316

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I have an inverted body triangle body with medium frame but large shoulders. I want to dress in cute Lolita clothes, but I look absolutely awful in them because my body shape and natural face looks like tranny trying to sneak into Lolita. Are there any cords that can make me look a little more balanced? Most of the time, I look awful

No. 362325

It sounds like you don't have the right body type for lolita.

No. 362331

Ignore the other anon, she’s fat. It’s hard to have broad shoulders in lolita because a lot of stuff will be too small for you. ime the square neck blouses with neck ties draw attention away from your shoulder width. don’t bother with oldschool outerwear, it’s made for tiny shoulders so get a newer cardigan/jacket from BTSSB or something.
if you feel like your ribcage is too wide or your torso is too long, look for low waisted dresses or do blouse + skirt coords which will always sit at your natural waist and look more flattering. avoid empire waist or babydoll JSKs and sack dresses, you will look fat.

No. 362349

I would also say for this stick to more mature gothic styles vs super cutesy sweet. I am top heavy and have a sharp face and I find when I wear a coord too sweet i can look a little manish but if i do coords that are more oldschool/gothic it works better for me. also what this anon >>362331 said. Also I find when balancing out a larger upper half chunkier shoes help alot

No. 362381

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Have the same body type as u Nona.
Adding to what >>362331 said I gravitate to dresses with princess seams like pic rel that would be more flattering since u can cinch it in where u want to than if u had a dress with a defined waist seam (ofc princess line dresses are really a line so keep that in mind). If u can lengthen the straps on a jsk it can bring the waist down a bit as well. Another inverted triangle lolita I know buys some plus sized dresses and takes them in at the waist because they tend to have longer bodices than the regular size.
If u can remove bows and such from the top of the dress without ruining it do it, and stick to blouses with simpler necklines. Ime it draws more attention to my upper half to have alot of ruffles and bows and such going on at the same time. Having a fuller petti can also help balance out ur upper and lower halves.
But all that said just wear anything you like that fits, this body type might not be the best for lolita but I'm still gonna wear it anyway.

No. 362396

I hope this doesn't come off backhanded, and I'm not calling you fat, but is it possible to just buy larger sizes and have them tailored in the waist and leg region? If fat people can wear lolita I don't see why someone slightly broader can't also.

No. 362413

China has an increasing middle class, 10 years ago barely any mainland Chinese women could afford brand, now they have potentially hundreds of millions of them that can, which means brand products sell out way faster now. And lolita is quite popular in China.

No. 362474

As an inverted triangle myself, I totaly get your concern nonna, hip padding might work in regards to balancing out the shoulders maybe? or try skirts with big petticoats

No. 362767

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>Retards on LM refusing to ship outside the US or europe

No. 362852

I'm really frustrated with my personal relationship with lolita fashion and just need to complain about it for a second. I go through short phases every so often (like, a few weeks at most) where I'm obsessed with lolita and want to wear it as often as I can and am really active among the online communities + the communities I'm a part of, and then for months at a time I don't wear it, forget my comms exist, and feel uncomfortable in my coords. And it's not like it doesn't necessarily look good on me—I stick with cuts that look more flattering on my body (a-line classic dresses are my favorite). This makes buying pieces/building my wardrobe feel awkward because I've absolutely had moments where I've bought a piece I love but then promptly regretted it because I wear lolita so rarely. I don't really buy lolita items often, and have a small wardrobe so it's not like half the clothes I own are unwearable, but it's still really frustrating. I can never tell if I'm losing interest in lolita fashion or just having another one of my phases, and I wish if I was losing interest I could just let go and be done. I keep coming back, though!

No. 362855

I feel really similar. I have a small wardrobe although I could afford more, I'm just really picky. But even then I don't find myself wearing my pieces that much.
I have some excuses like the weather getting prohibitively colder and not always going out much, but it makes me feel sad and like I should be more consistently committed. I wonder if I had space for a more aesthetically pleasing closet I'd feel better about the dresses just hanging in the dark every day.

No. 362863

AYRT, I'm also super super picky with my wardrobe! Seeing all the lolitas online who make lolita their entire life + are constantly buying pieces bewilder me, I also wonder if I'm just not committed enough. I try to wear lolita more casually just on a regular day, but it doesn't always feel right.

No. 362864

I feel a similar way, but i know if i sell all my lolita items i would regret it so much. Keeping your wardrobe tiny is the best compromise. I already decided to stop buying main pieces completely.

No. 362894

I feel you anon. These days I go for long stretches of time in between wearing lolita and I often lack the drive to dress up. Most of my newer stuff has been barely worn and I feel bad about it but I can't sell them because I love them. I likewise just keep my wardrobe very small and I'm very picky about what I bring in so I that I can wear my things at least once every year.

No. 363075

I feel similar too. I have a small-medium sized wardrobe (around 30ish main pieces) because I used to be one of those lolitas >>362863 mentioned. It was my main hobby and I wore it pretty much daily until I got really burnt out and stopped for like a year. Now I'm slowly coming back to wearing it occasionally but it's not my whole life like it used to be. I'm so glad I didn't sell everything during that off period. I definitely wanted to at the time, I thought I was done.

I try to wear my more toned down things in other fashions like blouses and simple jsks, classic dresses as sundresses and gothic pieces in general goth fashion. That way most of my stuff still gets used, only the really OTT stuff is rotting in my closet unless I have a con or meet to go to which is barely ever. I still like all that stuff so I have no plans to sell it. Sometimes I feel bad that I'm not pushing myself to dress up more the way I used to, but I was miserable doing that. I guess it is what it is.

Maybe if you have the space you could get a dress form to rotate coords on and still look at them, even if you don't feel like wearing them?

No. 363091

>small-medium wardrobe
>30ish main pieces
nona, what do you consider a large wardrobe to be? i don't ask this to mock you, i'm just really surprised because that doesn't seem much like a small wardrobe at all.

No. 363093

Ayrt, I guess I'd consider anything over 50 to be approaching large. Some of my friends have upwards of 100 and I honestly don't even know how they find that many things they like. I'm the pickiest compared to them. Again, I was one of those lolitas where the fashion was my whole life and I wore it every day for years so I don't think I really have an objective view about what's considered a large wardrobe lol

No. 363345

Kek anon I'll try that next time

No. 366271

Yeah this. 30 is a good amount of main pieces if you wear it a few times a month. I used to wear it daily and as soon as I passed around 70 main pieces it became too much to the point I forget about what I own or had pieces in my wardrobe that I haven't worn for longer than a year. At some point I had 130 and despite what lolita culture loves to tell, it's not something to brag about.

No. 371993

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Oh boy do I have a rant. I used to enjoy lolita so much (still try to do on my own as a hermit), but it's so hard to look at what lolita around me had become. It has taken me so long to really piece together my disdain, but what is boils down too is that so many newbies are missing the fact that they are supposed to be presenting elegance. Take me back to the early 2000s.

Back then there was so much respect for the fashion as well as for it's luxury and collector value. There was more respect for foundational brands, (which without how could this fashion even be?) You never see what is happening to lolita happen with the fans of any other luxury or collector fashions. Imagine someone went a Jordans new-release drop while wearing some walmart brand, great value ass fakes, they tell the Sneaker-heads and Hypebeasts that their shoes are just as good, then they go on to shit on luxury shoe brands. You never see it, they would be shut down immediately and mocked.

And sure, self-made and tailored pieces could work, a lot of seamstresses who made and wore lolita used the glb patterns anyway.

I really think that this is what is missing went it comes to newbies in the fashion. Lolita is treated as an "aesthetic" and everyone want to throw something together fast without considering the quality of the pieces (or even if their outfit matches). Don't get me wrong, anybody can wear what they want, but they don't have to call it lolita. Now every online space is oversaturated with garbage. There used to be so much care and thought put into coords and overall looks. I miss hearing about a friend's or comm-member's coord builds. Things took longer but it was worth it, you could see that pieces were more appreciated and coords were polished. Lolitas took feedback to heart and discussion was better. You would learn if someone said something did not work.

On a sidenote, I think right now what I hate seeing the most is that wigs, hair accessories, and hats are less popular with newbies. All I see are people trying to make coords with greasy, unkempt hair. It's sad that majority of the people attracted to the fashion can't groom themselves well or invest is a decent enough wig. It's easily a turn off for me, like even simple styling can elevate a look. I don't know why someone would not want ever bit of themselves to look good while wearing lolita. I'm not sure if it's talked about anymore, but a big critique years back used to be whether or not someone looked proportional while wearing lolita. It just looks weird to see someone wear clothes that give their body a wider silhouette, without them having hair or accessories to give their head a proportional volume. (Aside from some classical looks with A-line or narrow silhouettes) Without it, their head just look small and off, and when flat greasy hair is thrown in, it's so much worst. What Victorian or Rococo era elite looked like a dirty nerd?

Secondly, I'm so tired of seeing cheap goth platforms, Doc Martens, and ugly ass pastel sneakers worn with lolita. I've even seen someone wear crocs… It never looks good, never.

No. 372025

I know what you mean. The quality, cut and lasting power of clothes has seriously declined in the last 10-15 years. So much of it is pure crap that barely lasts one wash. Goth got watered down by tiktok zoomers and now they’re bored with that so they’re trying to ruin lolita too.

I think the main problem nowadays is that zoomers don’t have a concept when thinking about an outfit. In traditional Lolita, you have to carefully think out a whole outfit, coordinate everything well, obey the basic rules, make sure you’re wearing decent quality pieces that don’t have weird addons and distracting unnecessary ugly details etc.

Zoomers don’t take any of that into account really: 100% taobao outfits are fine, even if they look cheap and are covered in weird things like unnecessary straps and crappy lace; you don’t have to have a concept for your outfit, it can be anything you decide to throw on; nothing has to coordinate or be in the same color scheme; you don’t have to obey any rules and can add or remove whatever you want etc, also no one is allowed to criticize you for this. No wonder many coordis nowadays are a disaster.

Frankly I don’t like a lot of what became ‘normal’ in 2010s lolita either: like the ugly loud patterned tights and socks, the overly childish prints, the ugly big curly wigs (especially in pastel shades), nazi tier brand loyalty and wearing everything from the same collection at once while absolutely refusing to wear anything, even one tiny accessory, that isn’t from the same collection to the point it looks too coordinated with no personality, absolutely huge petticoats that give many western lolita tummies and make them look 30lbs heavier etc.

So while I hate what zoomers are doing to Lolita, I don’t mind it looking a bit more ‘punk’ and hand knitted. For instance I actually like the normal hair look, like just casual pigtails or whatever that you see in Fruits a lot with classic lolita. I also like the smaller petticoats that don’t add as much volume, the slimmer silhouette, the less 100% coordinated thing, adding your own personal accessories that aren’t necessary from the same Lolita brands or are off brand to give your outfit a more personal touch etc. The only Lolita looks I really like anymore are classic late 90s and early 2000s.

No. 372121

You're right there really has been a huge decline in the 2010's. Everything became so over the top that coords basically became a costume.
I also think the rise of lolita influencers ruined the fashion. Most of the newbies were getting their info from (usually wrong) sources. And those sources created hugboxes where no one could be wrong.

No. 372153

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I feel similar sentiments. Imo, if you think a plain solid coloured jsk is ugly or plain and you cannot fathom wearing the fashion and not taking pictures or gaining attention out of it, you should admit that you don't like lolita and consider staying the fuck away from the greater community. It's not just about trying to get as much attention as possible or throwing on as much shit in competition, it's about genuine love and passion and cultivating personal taste. Seeing people in the lolita community bash moitie for release a plain jsk that was perfect for beginners and had a lot of mileage in terms of wear made me really see how far the community aspect of lolita had fallen. Sure it's expensive, but seeing that stupid ugly drag moid who for some reason is allowed in our communities act all sassy about it and be a little bitch was straight up triggering. In general, a lot of the nu-lolitas crawled in our direction being they are trend hoppers who think that the current era of alt fashion looks good, the tacky accessories, the ill fitting clothes, shit fabrics and fried hair. Also, hair and makeup in lolita is insanely easy, all you have to do is have decent hair that is cut nicely and basic natural makeup. You can even go to the hairdressers to get your wig shaped nicely if you cannot do it yourself. And some mother fuckers cannot manage that. Lastly, cannot stand people who wear sweet lolita and cannot be arsed to buy $40 shoes that are suitable for the outfit. It's not the fucking hard!!! Stick to the forever 21 clearance rank bitches!!
i swear this is the last time i repost this, needed to smooth things over

No. 373144

They're not comfortable to wear or walk in at all, and they're not leather. I don't regret buying them because I got them when VM was running a sale but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a diehard ride or die VM fan.

You basically summarized what I've been feeling for the last (almost) decade whenever I see coords posted - nobody knows how to put things together in a nuanced and balanced way anymore. Unfortunately, this need to have instant gratification and validation by just buying in rather than actually working up to the goal through research and understanding is everywhere now, and I really don't think it's going to stop anytime soon.

That and inclusivity/lack of gatekeeping letting in all the lolitas at heart really fucked us over.

No. 373678

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I feel like devilinspired has ruined lolita so much. It bothers me that people think that shit is what the fashion is when it's literally just cheap idol costumes. Bring back the little bo peep comparisons, she always has amazing co-ords!!!

No. 374145

I used to wear sweet like, years ago and recently toying with the idea of getting back into the fashion, but for old school/gothic cos that's more my style now.
How has the community/style changed in the last like 8ish years? Where are the main online spaces now that Livejournal is irrelevant?

No. 374172

The main places are Discord servers and Instagram. There's some old school/gothic lolitas in "old web" places like neocities and dreamwidth but I've never been there personally so no idea how active they are. /cgl/ is pretty dead and the secondhand market is pretty dry lately tbh. Especially if you want to start building an old school wardrobe… it will take a lot of effort and money kek

No. 374189

This is the second time I’ve heard that discord has great lolita servers but I can never seem to find any. Where does one find them? (Asking as someone who also wants to get back into it after years.)

No. 374193

The only ones I know of are for local comms. I'm curious if there's a larger discord for lolita fashion.

No. 374203

there's plenty of public servers of variable quality. I think joining your local comm's server and just hanging out there for a while is also good, I got invited to a couple of nice private discords once I started talking to other lolitas

No. 374240

There's the big mentoring server but I don't have a good impression of it, I always felt like I was either talking to hyperactive gender spergs or pretentious self-proclaimed experts who were still ita. And there's the leaks scandal or whatever, I'm sure a lot of them are cows. If you just want a place to get responses to one-off questions it's okay I guess but I didn't really get a sense of community out of it. I'm mostly still in it to skim the news.

No. 374351

Is there a subgenre of lolita/kawaii fashion that's more subtle? I want to experiment with my look but I don't want to dive straight into the elaborate stuff yet

No. 374405

Maybe look into Otome, still cute and girly but less poofy and ott than actual Lolita.

No. 374411

My style is kinda gothic/whimsical but I try to keep it mature and not too elaborate or attention drawing. So I wear mostly black plain coats but I also like to wear one lolita piece with most of my outfits, like a lolita blouse or skirt, and I usually have a lolita brand bag or parasol with me too. It makes my outfit cute but without being too costumey or childish.

No. 374635

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Has Maple stopped selling their ringlet wigs? I can't find them on their site anymore.

No. 374671

here you go nona, looks like they are still being sold

No. 374700

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Is anyone gonna go for the Day Dream MTO? I'm still undecided on what colorway I want. The ivory is super pretty imo

No. 374704

There's been some listed to Disboard and RC, etc. Be careful what you post because many are watched for content and leaked (FZCZ, EGL, mentoring, old schooler, Lolibrary). It's better to do like >>374203 says and get invited to small private servers.

No. 375401

You can wear, style, and play around with your clothes as much as you'd like, just don't label it lolita. Or you can even just call it lolita inspired.

No. 376053

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Perhaps you would enjoy Liz Lisa, nona? That's a brand that's very firmly in the "girly Japanese fashion that isn't lolita" category

No. 376605

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Does anyone know of any brands that make kodona/ouji besides AnTP? I've been wanting to explore the look and build a wardrobe for a while.

I would love to see the styles in lighter colors/ or with whimsical motifs. Typically, I wear classical in lighter colors, so I'd love to find something in that vein.

I adore the outfit in this pic (though I'd change the trousers), but I can't find anything like it.

No. 376611


Liz Lisa is such a pretty brand but sadly it doesn't fit most of the time. Is there any similar brands to Liz Lisa with bigger sizing that exists?

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Im toying with the idea of wearing lolita again. I left in 2021 but now I'm feeling the itch again. Even if my collection is small, even if I have to handmade some accesories, even if I have to repair my bodyline rocking horse shoes I can't shut off the idea of wearing lolita again in the autumn.

I was a quiet member of the old school lolita server, anyone knows if it's still there?

No. 377078

Yumetenbo. Good size ranges, they have different lines for different styles, DearMyLove and its sister brands are the ones you're looking for. The price point is lower too.

No. 377131

For that style, hoshibako is the only one I can think of. IW also has some that turns up occasionally second hand. Most boy style definitely leans gothic though. The ouji threads in cgl are actually a really good resource. You can go through the archives and see what brands have released pieces that appeal to you.

No. 377889

Just do it anon. I go through dry spells when my chronic illness is fucking me up. But when I’m feeling okayish I try to wear it minimum once a week. It makes me happy, it makes other people happy, most people don’t see cool well constructed fashion in the wild. The most people see is basically shein itas as far as interesting clothing is concerned. It’s for the social good.

No. 378013

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Im sorry about your chronic illness anona. You're right, today looking at my wardrobe some pieces made me happy and lots of ideas for coords flew. I realized that one of my problems is that I have pieces that I don't like, so I'll work towards selling them and buying some staples. I'll like to sew some basic skirts and jsks too.

No. 378020

I want to wear lolita but I feel like my face is too angular and slightly masculine looking to pull it off for some reason. I also feel too tall in platform shoes. Sigh.

That being said I do know one girl who has pretty masc features and is around 5ft7 but her coordis look absolutely amazing.

No. 378043

Do you like goth styles and more mature styles? It's a matter of get used to the clothes too. You don't need a cherub baby face to rock lolita, same with your height and platforms.
You could give it a try, make youself confortable wearing it at home in weekends as a treat and explore what suits you and ofc what you like

No. 378046

Yeah I definitely love slightly sweet gothic lolita with mostly black and white colors, classic lolita more than sweet or pastel. Thank you for the encouragement nona, guess I’ll just have to find what fits me best.

No. 379772

Baby has opened reservations for the scallop hem JSK and I can’t decide what colour way to get… how quick do the popular colour ways sell out in reservation period usually ?

No. 380450

why the online comm is so dead, im starving for lolita discussion and i don't want to join any discord server yet

No. 380547

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A (modern) vocaloid x BTSSB collab is a dream come true, and they chose one of my favorite Miku designs. I'm so tempted but $800 is a lot

No. 380553

I think it's really cute in concept but I'm not really a fan of the Miku figure they're adapting this from (it's just too much for me personally).

No. 380557

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The other release just looks a regular release that they drew Miku wearing.

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No. 380565

Don’t like it at all

No. 380692

It looks like a taobao idol costume.

No. 380699

nta but collabs with weeb things almost always ended looking like that

No. 380701

There's a cute ones here and there, but it honestly relies more on the character's design over the actual dress the brand puts out
Some ones that stand out as actually being cute are
>Rozen Maiden x Innocent world's entire collab set is adorable
>Mawaru penguindrum x Innocent world
>Kagerou project x BTSSB
>AP x Shiki
>Artiswitch x Meta and Sheglit
And some of the stuff in the Macross frontier collabs are cute (some of them are real ugly though).

No. 380721

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ayrt but I don't really mind that, I see it as a "cosplay made by BTSSB" and would wear it as such. I also think the IW rozen maiden collabs are amazing, but that series has designs closest to irl lolita I've ever seen in anime

No. 380726

They wildin' asking $800 for cheap, polyester garbage.

No. 380730

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>I also think the IW rozen maiden collabs are amazing
I genuinely don’t get why they were unpopular for a while, though now they’re popular of course and are expensive…but at least I got one dress from the collaboration before they got expensive (suigintou) I’d love to get Shinku’s set in the future.

The new rozen maiden collab that was done with a smaller brand was super ugly though.

No. 381376

The discord servers are dead too or packed with n00bs. It would be nice to have a new outlet.

No. 381624

Try /cgl/, this thread, Tumblr, blogs, personal websites etc. As >>381376
said, Discord is full of tards.

No. 388867

This is more of a vent, but I wish my comm could just for once have a meet-up that doesn't eventually devolve into a "who has the most severe autism and gender dysphoria" competition. The girls in my comm are (for the most part) fun to talk/hang out with, but every meet-up turns into autism anecdotes and it gets so embarrassing as members loudly try to one-up each other in public.

No. 392055

Sounds like my comm. They're 90% itas so I tend to not go to their meetups. This gender confusion epidemic is an absolute scourge on vulnerable young people. It's like I don't fit in because I'm just female and not mentally ill. The biggest itas are always the loudest. I'm wondering if there's a secret comm in the midst of it all

No. 392941

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I've been a long time admirer of Lolita fashion, and now that I'm making money I really want start wearing the clothes myself. I really like classic lolita,sweet lolita on the more elegant side, and 'country Lolita's. I found a brand called Miss Point and they check all my boxes. I'm pretty certain they are a Chinese indie brand, but I love their designs more then the typical mainstream stuff. They are more in my price range too lol. Has anyone here ever bought something from them? Their reviews on Reddit seem to be positive but I wanted a second opinion. Picrel is one op I'm looking at. So many of their pieces are calling my name.

No. 393453

I'm back on my bullshit after over 12 years of hiatus, made an order on Meta and Y!Auctions for some GLBs and buying fabric and lace to sew myself a blouse, bloomer and petti. I just hope my local comm is somewhat decent. I don't mind itas or even trannies (I will just avoid them). I just want to have female friends I can sperg about jfashion and husbandos. I wonder if more people are going back into the fashion or it's just me. I saw a friend from back then wearing lolita again on IG so I was wondering if there is some oldlita renaissance going on.

No. 393455

from what I've seen of it irl miss point is one of the higher quality chinese brands. also you're in luck if that's the style you like because it is extremely abundant on taobao.

No. 393471

I'm so tired of OTT classical. when will gothic make a comeback? every gothic release aftermarket is a bloodbath because we get scraps.

No. 393472

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are there any actually active discord servers nowadays? i took a break to pursue other fashions for a while, and now i've come back to lolita and found that the vetted server is missing all of the people that made it comfy and cute. i'll leave an email in case anyone is willing to drop an invite, all the public ones seem to be lacking even more than vetted.

the alpstola release yesterday was cute, grabbed a black x blue. they still have some stock.

No. 393479

Miss Point is pretty good as far as Chinese brands go. On their taobao shop you can order their items custom made to your measurements which is nice although they don't always seem super accurate. I bought a custom dress from them once and although it fit me at the bust I still had to take in the waist, I think because the pattern they used didn't account for a bigger bust/waist difference. The material was really nice and heavy and construction was fine.

No. 393483

my chesticles dont fit in it but that's a gorgeous OP.
where do they take custom orders through? taobao?

No. 393486

>didn't account for a bigger bust/waist difference
That's a big thing in chinese clothing for some reason. I've bought plus sized things before (not lolita, just dresses) because my boobs are huge and they never account for the waist area being smaller, it's all like a tube. I don't know how to properly explain it but even normal clothes give you the "boobloaf" look.

No. 393494

I found out I can get their custom sizes through their resellers too which is a relief because I don't know how to order through taobao yet.

No. 393573

I know Wunderwelt sells gothic brands on their retail side. I'm not sure if they have anything you'll want, but you can start looking there. I've recently been on the hunt for good indie brands, and a number of them have gothic prints and pieces, so you can try poking your head around there too. I'm also tired of OTT classic being "in" right now, but that's just because there's so much of it. It doesn't help that a lot of it no longer looks like lolita, instead just feeling like historical dress. Which is fine, I love anachronism, but it's not what I'm looking for.

No. 393664

Dumb question time: nonas I lost a video on YT, it was a Lolita wardrobe collection for either 2023 or 2024, it was a white girl with brown hair wearing like mouse ears with double buns and a mint green dress, and it wasn't Sea Princess Selkie or Pinkfakeflowers

I feel so dumb lol but Im new to Lolita

No. 393672

My biggest issue with gothic having such a huge slump is that there are barely any good blouses being made for gothic lolita that aren't ott or the same 2 blouses that moitie won't stop releasing. I just want something in cotton.

No. 393717

I hate chiffon so fucking much. my mother used to wear chiffon blouses when I was a kid/teen and one time we had an event and I had nothing to wear so she lent me one of her blouses. It felt like a sweat cage. I wish brands stopped making chiffon blouses or at least made more cotton blouses. I was browsing yesterday looking for some summer blouses and most of them were chiffon. fuck chiffon and whoever came up with that trend. just stop being fucking lazy and get a steamer if you can't be fucked to iron. saging for rant.

No. 394043

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>meta order arrived
>they sent a wrong colorway
>forgot my KC
am I fucked? I already paid VAT and don't want to send it back. at least it's a color I like.

No. 394050

>also they sent my fatass a size 1
gonna kms I can barely get into this dress and I dont want to ruin the shirring

No. 394125

damn I've never seen them mess up on an order like that. maybe you could try contacting customer support? or sell the "wrong" items on LM at least you'll get some of your money back

No. 394405

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Dang that OP is gorgeous. If I wasn't saving up my money I would absolutely try to grab one. I love it in white too

No. 394713

Is https://42lolita.com/ a good site to order from Miss Point?

No. 394738

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Sage for slight retardation, forgive me if that's the case.
I want to get into gothic lolita fashion, but I don't know if I will ever be suited for it so I have some questions.
1. I'm 178cm tall (~5'10) and 64 kg (~141 lbs) (actively losing weight right now so I'll get back to 58 kg), are there any options since even most basic fashion brands don't have tall women in mind?
2. What are some affordable options? Unfortunately I live in a place with shit currency and paying 50$+ for a blouse is bonkers to me. And I see that the vast majority of the community is against buying Chinese brands which I get it in a way, but not everyone can afford some obscure Moi-Même-Moitié piece from 2001 and that doesn't help either.
3. If the answers are negative for the first 2 questions, are there any sewing patterns or tutorials that might be useful?
If not, I'll be stuck admiring from afar in the end kek.

No. 394762

1. This is unfortunately I can't help with at all. I know there are plenty of threads and guides for buying lolita according to size. Always, always check measurements, though. And there are sometimes still trial and error purchasing.
2. You can definitely buy non-burando clothing. There's just a lot of advice not to at the beginning, as baby lolitas aren't as good at sussing out of quality, putting together a coord, etc. My very first lolita dress was taobao and it worked out well for me (still one of my favorites, even compared to my burando), but I had been into lolita for YEARS before buying anything. Not all indie brands are taobao/chinese, though. I would recommend asking gothic lolitas where they get their clothing and doing a lot of research. There may also be some trial/error in purchases.
3. Yes! Tons. Some blogs even have old Japanese lolita sewing patterns. I've seen all kinds of sewing patterns for sale on etsy, too. But there are a TON of other online guides all over. Videos, blog posts, etc.

No. 394792

Gothic lolita is more forgiving when it comes to tall women, as Gothic brands tend to have longer skirt/dress length. If the lolita silhouette isn't a must, EGA long skirts are a good alternative, plus it looks gorgeous on tall women. You can cope with long bloomers if you like the 'peeking bloomers' look. Avoid Marble, they might seem slightly less expensive than other burando but the quality is appaling. I really wish i could help with taobao but i haven't bought anything from them. I recommend checking out the 'chinese indie brand'/'indie brand' tag on lolibrary. I'd recommend western indie brands but they tend to be pricey. If you ever buy burando, you can get lucky on closetchild and shopping services. LM is alright sometimes. I haven't had to deal with customs fees when buying from closetchild so far. Like >>394762 said, there are tons of resources for sewing, including scans of old patterns sourced from magazines, FB groups and yt channels. I really hope a more seasoned gothic lolita comes by and sees your reply kek, good luck!

No. 394847

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Ngl, your height will be somewhat of an issue, but there's ways to get around it. You should really opt for longer pieces like anons have suggested. I think some current moitie pieces could work for you, the one that ones comes to mind is the longer version of silent moon. I would also check atelier pierrots brand, idk if you would need some extra bust, but they cater to larger people really well, plus they often sell longer pieces. You don't really need to worry about older 2001 pieces btw, moitie always re-released stuff nowadays since gothic lolitas hate selling their shit and tend to have smaller wardrobes compared to everyone else. I'd also recommend that you take a look at classic brands like victoria maiden, they sell stuff that could work for your height and sometimes sell stuff that is palatable for gothic lolitas. For sewing, i think the best resource is to get the book Otome no Sewing best of, you can get it pretty cheaply on etsy, but you will need to use google translate to help you along.

No. 395322

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>best AP prints in my opinion

No. 395323

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>Worst AP prints in my opinion

No. 395349

I’m not an everyday lolita, I usually only wear it a couple times a month. (Because unfortunately in my town, it attracts quite a lot of attention, much of that is bad attention too, last time I went out with some lita friends we ended up getting assaulted and having drinks thrown over us by a group of teenage yobs)

Now unfortunately I discovered that my new bf hates lolita fashion too. He didn’t know I was into it when he started dating me. He says it makes women look like they’re ‘dressing up as big babies’ and he finds it odd/creepy.

He’s into basic ass e-girl aliexpress shit, like those ugly cheap pink harnesses and gaymer gurl aesthetics. I tried showing him pictures of outfits I like and he just made puking sounds and said it looked like ‘weird little bo beep shit’. Seriously considering breaking up with him now, not specifically because he disagrees with my sense of aesthetics (that’s fine) but more because he was so rude about it and I feel like I’m not able to express myself fully now.

Have any other nonas suffered having an intolerant bf or friends when it comes to lolita fashion and how did you handle it?

I have to admit most men I’ve met seem to hate lolita maybe because it’s quite desexualised. I’ve only met a handful of men who appreciate lolita aesthetics but unfortunately they also tend to be weird fetishizers or agps.

No. 395351

Dump him. Seriously dump him. Not only does he have shit taste, but he's rude and disgusting and fucking negging you already! It doesn't sound like you've been together very long and he already feels entitled to insult you and put you down and purposely make you feel like shit? It's only going to get worse. Dump him.

No. 395361

Excuse me my ignorance because I've been out of lolita for more than 6 years now but aren't some of these not prints?

No. 395362

I'm sorry you live in such a shitty area, comments are one thing but getting drinks thrown on you is another! Dump him as prev. anon said. He's 100% a disrespectful prick. If he truly respected you he'd at least try to understand the fashion and support your interest in it. You said he likes the pornified e girl look? He probably doesn't like Lolita because it doesn't make his pee pee hard. Making puking noises at pictures is so immature too, you deserve someone better. He'll only get worse if you date him longer.

No. 395369

how do you survive wearing lolita in hot weather? maybe it's because i live in mexico but i just can't anymore, wearing lolita is a painful experience now lol
makes me feel sad i can't fully wear my coords because the heat is too much to bear and i end up getting all sweaty which i hate

No. 395371

Tbh I feel you nonna. I think that men just don't get it because lolita is clearly not for them, in the sense they can't sexualize it easily and it's overly femenine, which makes them upset

No. 395375

I could imagine that scrotes would be paranoid about the attention that lolita draws when you both walk down the street too. Moids are super paranoid about what people think of them and their boring dress sense is a very high indicator of that. They can't understand the idea that sometimes it's completely futile to dress in a way that doesn't draw any attention as a woman, good or bad. Aside from that, it's one of the rare fashions where being sensual and catering to the male eye has zero bearing whatsoever. Imo, that's probably why it gets called childrens fashion so much even though little girls nowadays don't typically walk around wearing puffy dresses. Idk how anyone who actively likes lolita manages their attractions with moids. It's very freeing being able to like whatever you want without having to worry about what moids think. Also, i am very sorry about the harassment you and your friends faced, i cannot comprehend why normies get so triggered by fashion choices that don't appeal to them. Why can't they just fucking ignore it. Most people dress like shit anyways. If your boyfriend is going to be that rude about your interests, you should break up with him. It's not even just about the fashion either, it's really immature and shows controlling behaviour that likely extends much further than japanese princess dresses.

No. 395380

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it's suffering and some days it's truly just too hot but here's what I usually do
>short sleeve OPs, those cropped chiffon blouses or a sheer bolero
>ankle socks or sheer tights
>cotton > poly for breathability. anything in BTSSB karami fabric is very light
>hoop skirt or no petti
also I know it's technically not lolita but I love styling my more sundressy JSKs in a casual way like picrel. Especially if it has those cross-neck ties it's really cute even without a blouse

No. 395382

you should dump his ass because he can't fathom something not being for the male gaze. men who think everything has to be pornified and cater to them are for the streets.

No. 395402

>He says it makes women look like they’re ‘dressing up as big babies’ and he finds it odd/creepy.

Good. The reason a lot of us like lolita is because it filters the moids and it's intentionally not sexual or male gazey at all. You need to break up with your discord boyfriend

No. 395406

You're right. That anon probably doesn't even wear the fashion.

I have some baby sandals that I wear with cotton jsks without a blouse or a miniskirt with a camisole on very hot days. I'm still wearing my burando at the end of the day even if it's not lolita.

No. 395496

42lolita is a decent taobao reseller. It's definitely better than similar sites like devilinspired for sure. Whatever you do, make sure you avoid devilinspired like the plague.

No. 395497

>Now unfortunately I discovered that my new bf hates lolita fashion too. He didn’t know I was into it when he started dating me. He says it makes women look like they’re ‘dressing up as big babies’ and he finds it odd/creepy.
I would normally not be the person advising "dump him" at any sign of disagreement, but honestly, this is a huge red flag and you should dump him. It's pretty normal for men to not "get" lolita fashion, but even if he doesn't "get it" he shouldn't be so dismissive of your interests. I think there's a huge difference between having different tastes and him not even attempting to understand why you like the things you like.

No. 395740

I'm so sorry, nonny. Dump him, like… yesterday. Being that rude over something you like that's harmless is so cruel, and I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate it if you treated him similarly. It may just be aesthetics, but that makes it even worse. Imagine gagging when your partner shows you something they like visually. Imagine how they'll react when you're at odds over more important decisions. Your bf is tearing you down.
I have experienced exes who were clearly unnerved by lolita, although they didn't seem to care for any of my alt fashion. But none of them were ever that rude about it. That being said, you can do better than a partner who simply tolerates it. My current bf supports all of my alt fashion fascinations, including lolita. He's even bought me big name brand before. He loves seeing me in it and tries to pay attention to pieces and brands. Any good partner would do the same. They pay attention to their partner's interests, and try to engage and support them in it. A good partner loves seeing their partner wearing what they like, because they know their partner is confident, comfortable, and happy. I know it can be hard to find someone who is enthusiastic like that (without being fetishizing), but a kind, worthy bf will be happy because you're happy.
If you think it'll make a difference, you can bring it up with your bf as to why what he says is hurtful. But if you don't think it'll go anywhere, take this as a red flag and flee.

Cotton blouses and skirts. Hoop skirts, I've been told, are excellent to replace petticoats, but I've never tried them myself.

No. 396012

much love anon! ♥

No. 396332

Dump him. From personal experience this won't end well and you'll be super resentful during and afterward that this broken chromosome stopped you from enjoying something you love. This isn't the kinda thing he'll ever come around to if he won't even have a respectful discussion about it.

Totally different topic, does anyone know if there's any sort of blogpost/site/list/database that matches up either OnS or Gosurori patterns with older brand releases? Obviously it'll never be a 1:1 thing but something close in a database format would be useful. I've been digging through miss carol belle's site but a lot of that stuff just starts to blur together.

No. 396398

Your bf is a shitbag regardless of your aesthetic choices. Dump his ass.

No. 396400

This is true. My bf used to get insanely jealous of the attention I got when I dressed goth. Much of that attention was negative or degrading, but men are crazy insecure and hate having a gf that attracts the gaze of other men period.

No. 396466

>tall nonas in gothic Lolita

No. 396472

>hates lolita because it's childish
>likes e-girl shit that only teenagers and pedo-baiters wear

Anon, you are dating a retard. You are taking all the risks of being in a relationship with a scrote and you are doing it for a retard. Think about it.

If he wants the attention then he can start dressing goth as well, what a dumbass.

No. 396616

This nona is right. Being in a relationship with a moid is already a high risk low reward endeavour, you might as well try to date one who actually accepts you and doesn’t throw a bitch fit over the clothing you put on your body.

No. 397452

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This OP that BTSSB just released is super cute. I would definitely get it if I wasn't still trying to save money.

No. 398589

My deepest apologies nona your print was previously owned by a man

No. 398593

Btssb can always be trusted to come out with good shit, this is gorgous!

No. 398595

this is gorgeous, BTSSB my beloved… those lacy neck ties!! I keep telling myself I'm trying to move my wardrobe in a more gothic direction because it's what I feel more comfortable in but baby has a chokehold on my wallet

No. 398731

NTA but I don't think it's out of the question that the owner could have been a particularly gross woman. I've seen plenty and a lot of them are weebs into anything from Japan, which unfortunately often includes lolita fashion
Baby has been putting out quite a few expensive OTT dresses that I don't like at all, but when they actually stick to the basics they put out some fantastic stuff. I like that they still re-release their old stuff since I'm very partial to old school lolita

No. 402305

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Baby put out a nice looking floral print. I really wanted the skirt but sadly it sold out extremely quickly.

No. 403040

I've been a long-time admirer of Lolita fashion, I really want to start wearing the clothes myself. I really like classic Lolita, sweet Lolita on the more elegant side, and country Lolita. I found a brand called Miss Point in https://www.lolitainside.com. They are more in my price range too.

No. 403048

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janeagron@gmail.com, you don't need an e-mail to post here.

No. 403066

ngl I find it a bit tacky. in the last few years a lot of releases look tacky to me. I guess it's the boomer in me but I don't get why everything has to be a border print or why prints have to be so busy now.

No. 403597

Hi Jane, first of all, if you're going to put your email into any chan, at least make a throwaway one. We're nice here, a lot of other places would dox you in ten minutes and fuck up your credit score before the day is over.
Secondly, avoid that site you linked like the plague. Those prices don't even cover the cost of the fabric needed to make those dresses. You're going to spend a lot of money on clothes that use stolen images to advertise. That's 100% Aliexpress crap that's falling apart at the seams before you take it out of the bag. Either save up for lolita, or learn to sew.
You don't need to buy directly from brands btw. It's common to buy secondhand in lolita. Make sure you check your measurements against the measurements of that specific piece- brands have wildly different measurements and you might be able to wear a JSK from a series but not fit into a blouse from the same series and brand. Plan your outfits carefully, buy multiple tops for each skirt and JSK to get more wear out of your pieces, take care to color match everything, and don't forget to wear petticoats that fit the skirt shape.

No. 406345

>>394043 here
they sent my dress to me and I sent the wrong order back to them, they paid shipping for everything and VAT. apparently someone had a similar order as mine in my country and that's why they confused it. I got my dress and KC and they're gorgeous, also some sticker and postcards which was cool from them.

No. 407106

Happy you got it sorted! Sounds like Meta's customer service is quite good! I always love when there are stickers and postcards. Honestly, I wish brands would release stationery goods more often as someone who enjoys prints, as well as penpalling and journalling. I honestly have not needed any new dresses for a long time, but cute prints keep being released and I would like to have something with the print on it, but it's not a good enough reason to buy yet another dress. With the way border prints work most of the time, I'd think washi tape, letter sets, or memo pads would be a great offering.

No. 407584

I agree nonny, I am not huge into stationary but I love stickers and postcards. I am buying a serger next month so I'll put my meta sticker on it! I'm so excited to wear lolita again.

No. 409132

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I got back into Lolita this year after a long time and I’m feeling so sad I don’t have any Lolita friends. I joined the local comm and went to a few meets but it’s not very active and to be honest full of badly dressed uggos, genderspecials and turbo autists. The online comm seems so dead now compared to years ago. Is there hope nonas ??

No. 409147

Stop being such a judgmental snob?

No. 409152

Sorry I don’t want to hang out with weirdos that dress like shit I guess?

No. 409157

ignore that other anon, it's perfectly normal to want to be around other well-dressed women in a hobby that is entirely based on fashion like lolita is. unfortunately the majority of comms are overrun with predatory scrotes/troons and their ita handmaidens. or just mentally unhinged itas in general. both online and offline is like that. what happens is that the well-dressed women who aren't insufferable whackos will form their own friend group and stop showing up to meets which leaves only the creeps and itas behind. same as online - there are invite only discords/online comms and you have to prove that you know how to coord well and aren't a creep to get in.

you'd have to get lucky and have one of those selective "secret" or private lolita groups reach out to you assuming you post good coords and interact with other lolitas online. or keep showing up to local meets - occasionally even those smaller private local groups will go to a regular comm meet in hopes there will be a few new lolitas they can befriend who actually care about the fashion and know how to dress themselves.

No. 409179

which comm is it? you don't need to say if you don't want to. I haven't joined my local comm yet but I will do it as soon as I have a full coord.

No. 410477

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big btssb fan which japan store should i save up to visit?

never been to japana and got all my stuff from the second hand jp market.

No. 410788

I know this is just for the runaway but the excess amount of lace, the bonnet, the colors, everything in this outfit makes me think of sissification and I absolutely hate this outfit.

No. 410790

yeah i think all of their runway dresses are like that, egh still like em t b h

No. 410943

I need lacemarket to verify me like, TODAY or for this dream oldschool jsk to get relisted (it’s about to end in 1 day with 0 bids). The manual verification process is a pain, but it’s also my fault for not making an account until I saw something I wanted immediately!!

No. 410949

I changed my email address once and they took multiple days to verify me again. Good luck to you nona. Which dress is it? There are multiple scalpers on lace market, be careful if you see chinese sellers or sellers with a lot of items and no indication that it’s someone doing a closet clean out.

No. 413670

Lol I got it so now I feel comfortable responding, it’s a vintage AP jsk (unidentified, it’s a very basic b&w jsk), I did some research with the tag and it’s from 2003. with shipping and all it was only $104, I was the only bidder. I’m a longtime lurker, like I went to the btssb store in SF almost a decade ago just to look but I was a broke teenager and couldn’t afford anything so this will be my first coord. I also ordered AP princess socks, and I’m going to buy a blouse & petti next paycheck. I’m so excited to put it all together & hopefully not look ita, I don’t like the look of wigs so I need to get good at hair in the meantime.

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