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Since /cgl/ has been invaded by scrotes and trannies, let's discuss general things about the fashion here, from new releases to your dream dress. Share makeup looks and diy's, or your favorite coords. Talk about the comm you are in and your lolita friendships. Ex lolitas and newbies are welcomed too. Etc.
For drama, check out the tread on /w/: >>>/w/143376
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Thanks for the thread anon!
I’m very excited for AP to start up the Nakayoshi Bunny MTOs whenever it happens. I’m really hoping the AP prophet was right and we’re getting all the color way choices.
Also hoping AP USA sends out Sugary Carnival soon, I’ve been so excited since I ordered it back in January.
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I haven't dressed up in ages and my closet is still full of stuff, mostly from before I had distinguished my current tastes. I have major nostalgia for some of the old bodyline, as well as old school and punk lolita. Some taobao brands seem to hit the mark with it, and I'm not too spergy about the exact skirt length as long as the overall silhouette works out well.
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I've never worn a lolita dress in my life but I love gothic lolita so much. I don't want to buy dresses right now because I'm overweight, but I'd really like to own one someday. I'm afraid to because it can be so expensive though. also the community looks kind of terrible.
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I kinda been into lolita since I was 14 (I'm 28 now) but the thing is that I only wore (handmade) lolita when I was a teen and never again, but still followed it pretty closely by going to CGL, BTB, being up to date with the current trends, doing art of it, dressing my dolls in lolita, etc etc. It's so weird (but not in a bad way) how much has changed since my teen years. I don't call myself lolita since I don't use it, but since it's more accessible to me nowadays as a latamfag, I might actually try to dress in lolita again when I get a new job. I just need to lose my lockdown lard as well lol
I also bought some cute fabrics a few years back when I was planning on doing handmade lolita for me again, but I don't even remember why I didn't follow through with it. I still have the fabrics, but I bought it for me when I was way thinner, so once again, I need to become thinner again to start sewing. I also dream of doing something like this >>208359
and sew cute clothes for me and my doll to match. Especially printless classic lolita! Printless is so underrated. Mary Magdalene is one of my favorite brands.>>209597
If you fear the community, be a lonelita, anon. Using the clothes for yourself can be so rewarding, even if it's just for a quiet self care day at home. Lolita is more affordable than ever nowadays due to chinese brands (you gotta search for the right ones though, or at least manage your expectations for fabric and prints). Also as aforementioned, you can always learn to sew! A cute, ruffled square skirt is so so easy to sew, and paired with a nice blouse (that you can splurge a bit more since it'll be a staple in your wardrobe and you'll complement it with cheaper skirts/jsks) can go a long way.
Like, buy 2 nice blouses, one black and one white, same for socks and shoes, nice thrifted accessories and look for the dresses or skirts on taobao, second hand or make them. It can be a nice hobby learning how to sew!
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I've never worn lolita myself but I've admired the fashion from afar for like a decade now. Now that I actually have money I want to get into ouji, I love the shorts, hats, and vests. It's such a dreamy fairytale prince look. I have a fairly androgynous body so I think I can pull it off without looking too much like a sad fakeboi. It does seem like the community is overrun with them nowadays.
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I really love lolita, been wearing it for almost a year now and no other fashion I've worn has ever made me happier. Never felt the need to join a comm or anything because they really do seem shit. My closet is like 90% Baby and Meta mature sweet but I need to get my hands on more old school
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What are you guys' favorite lolita style?
Mine is classic, especially Rococco inspired classic rather than Victorian. I love Victorian too, but the baroque exuberance is so nice to my eyes. Bonus points if it's in ivory or reds. You can hear hapsichords playing when you look at some of these coords lol
I loved a while back (I wanna say 2015 but I'm not sure) when OTT classic was in. It was a bit too much of course, but the coords were pretty fun and creative.
I guess my least favorite is OTT sweet, especially those from like 2011-2012, but I don't hate it nor find it embarrassing or anything, just wasn't my thing at all.
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I swear to God there was a Dear Celine reseller shop on AliExpress, but I can't find it at all. Maybe it has been deleted. I love their prints, but the resellers outside Ali even on ali mark it up too much.
Any cheap taobao shopping services recommendations? It's been such a long time since I used one, I don't even remember its name now.
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This is super autistic, but I'd really love to see a coord inspired by the dress Elizabeth I wore in the "Armada Portrait." It's black and pale pink with pearl trim and bows as accents. Picrel is a historian wearing a replica (since the colors are harder to see in the painting because of its age.) If someone made the dress shorter and changed the sleeves, it could be a really nice gothic Lolita dress.
I like the idea of history-inspired lolita dresses in general. I think lolita and Rococo in particular have a lot in common aesthetically. The maximalism, the pastel colors, and intricate designs are all qualities they share.
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I very much more prefer Chinese brands compared to Japanese brands. Im tired of seeing the same prints and shapes. I know Japanese people are faggots and hate anything that’s not traditional but I really like how China has brought back older styles. Also much cheaper. Thanks cheap labor.
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I agree anon, although that pink dress isn't really up my alley.
I think Chinese lolita brands get a bad rep because China, being an industrial superpower, is just producing SO MUCH stuff that lots of it is bound to be garbage. People consequently overlook the small handful of great Chinese indie brands and lolita influencers. I find that a lot of Chinese lolitas are more likely to try weird things out that Western lolitas wouldn't while still holding themselves to a high standard of effort/investment in creating a great coord.
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I do, I cycle around 3-4 coords at any moment since I focus more on cosplay than Lolita. They're both expensive hobbies.. If you don't mind the upcharge DevilInspired is a taobao reseller. Shipping is the worst but whaat isn'[t at the time.
Brands I Like
ElPress (My OG post was Elpress)
Long Ears Sharp Ears
Yes I agree anon! I find the way they are making longer silhouettes now. I've even seen some without wearing pettis,
Also some Chinese lolita is NOT cheap or bad quality. Pic rel is a classical puppets wedding release. Its sold for around ~2k in western market.
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I'm annoyed that old school has become a trend
I became interested in lolita when I was 11-13 because a goth fashion magazine I read would sometimes include it but only bought my first few pieces last year
I hope I don't offend any other lolitas but I can't get over how hideous I find most new releases especially ott sweet
either that or there's just something 'off' or boring about them, I only became interested in the fashion through old school and tbh I was quite shocked when I did more research and saw how it all changed and now old school is highly sought after and expensive so I can't actually choose things that I like most of the time
I started altering normie and vintage clothes to make up for it since I'm not active in my comm so who cares as long as I like it
I was so disappointed with this rerelease. Them swapping out the velvet fabric ruined the sweet fuzzy charm of this dress.>>220402>there's just something 'off' or boring about them
Most of the time is the fabric chance from cotton or even velvet to fucking polyester (plastic). Also there is less cute little details.
Not buying new AP anymore tbh.>now old school is highly sought after and expensive
Dw, the trend will die out some day, just be patient. Also keep in mind that you can still find oldschool for dirt cheap if it doesn't fit the cliché vision of oldschool zoomers have. Just like how they stick to a very narrow version of what "y2k" fashion was, they do the same with oldschool. They chase after the black and white aesthetic, and completely left out printed dresses of this era. I'm thinking about these strawberry AP prints for instance.>>209597>the community looks kind of terrible
Just avoir online comms and /cgl/, local comms tend to be fine in my experience. I never got into drama in the 2 different comms I've been in.
You can also be a lonelita.
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I don't think old school is that expensive outside of the stereotypical BTSSB blackxwhite stuff, like >>226227
said. I wish it was though, because I have a couple of early 2000s pieces I've been meaning to sell.>>226241
There have been a couple of attempts at duplicating closetchild in the US, but it hasn't worked because we don't have the density of lolitas required. Closetchild's model relies on people being willing to take a loss on selling their clothes in exchange for convenience.But in the west, you'd have to ship your clothes to the reseller anyways, so you might as well list things yourself. FWIW though, you can make offers on lacemarket. When I was starting my wardrobe I'd look for people selling multiple items and ask if they'd do a 20%-30% discount if I bought several things at once. It almost always worked as long as they weren't really hyped up pieces.
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I love rococo style, Mary Magdalene's Fleur Antoinette is one of my dream dresses.
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though I would probably get it in a lighter colorway, I think all of them look pretty cute
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AYRT and same! I love it so much. MM in general is so underrated.
I think this is my favorite colorway, although I agree with you that they are all lovely.
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I love classical dresses in burgundy and navy, but I like sweet dresses in darker colors too. I also really like old school, but its hard for me to find a dress I like.
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For patterns, start here: https://misscarolbelle.wordpress.com/list-of-patterns/
I highly recommend Otome no Sewing.
Best fabrics: High quality cotton, velvet; fabrics that are not shiny or that don't look too costumey. For custom printed fabric, it depends from country to country.
Cute lace: Check your country's fabric and craft stores. There are some stuff on AliExpress if you know how to search well. Buy cotton lace, avoid polyester scratchy lace at all costs, it just look really cheap on the end result.
There's a lot of lolita tutorials on youtube, especially for skirts since they are the easiest. Begin by doing a rectangle skirt with ruffles and go up from that!
that link with all the patterns is super helpful
maybe I'll get some cheap fabric and experiment with the simpler ones until I understand how to alter the sizing and stuff
yeah I was told avoid polyester anything, and I've heard taobao lace is good but I have no idea how to navigate taobao lol
RIP to your lolita, nonna. I had a cat who couldn't resist puffballs on my jfashion.
Have you tried any of the following? Spray bottle with water everytime the cat attacks the clothes, spraying cat repellant on your clothes (wouldn't risk my burando with this), cat nailcaps.
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How do you wear your hair nonnies?
Personally I don't like wigs and haven't learned how to do ringlets yet so usually I just wear my hair down but I think it ruins a lot of coords, especially when I'm just casually in public.
Unpopular opinion I guess but I don't like coords with pigtails, 99% of the time it just looks ageplayish and retarded, unless it's styled very well and is clearly meant to be elegant. I'm considering getting a bunch of rose hair clips and wearing them for everyday coords, kind of 90s/00s inspired I guess.
if your goal is to create your own designs, rather than adjusting already made patterns, learn basic patternmaking techniques such as creating slopers off of your measurements and developing patterns for your designs with dart manipulation and slash and spread
you can start with paper and then use cheap fabric like muslin to test your patterns
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I need to sperg about this, sorry. It annoys me so much when newfags and sweetfags (no offence to sweetfags) call any coord in black and white gothic. Picrel somebody posted this on tumblr and captioned it with "gothic" kek. Obviously, not a thing about this is gothic, it's just sweet with ott elements but in black and white, but still very much sweet. Anyway, not attacking this girl, her photo probably got reposted anyway.
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I know /cgl/ has been a cesspool for a while but it's particularly bad right now, I hope this thread gets some use.
Anyways I love the print of this release but not particularly a fan of the bodice buckle details… Would be an instabuy in the emerald colorway for me if it came in a skirt cut (and I might just buy it anyways kek)
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I'm so stupid.
I bought an old rare dress for much more than I have ever spent on lolita before (I'm a poorfag) and now that it's here… I can't zip it. My ribs are too wide, it's literally just my ribs because I'm thin and my boobs are small. I've worn old Baby and IW dresses before so I didn't think the difference would be so huge with VM. I really wanted it and I won't be able to resell it for the same price. I guess I'll have it altered at the back, behind corset lacing so it's hidden.
This is lowkey making me feel like a whale though
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Not at all, it's made of twill. There's a velveteen version that came out a year prior (2001) and apparently it has shirring while this one does not. It's just a bit but it's too small on my ribs but quite lose on my waist. I guess it's because of my height (this one is supposed to have a dropped waist)
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A sister comm of mine had actual weeb lolicons attending their meets. Like he openly posted about it on social media, didn't even wear a coord and said he wasn't going to. I have no fucking idea WHY he was allowed and I'm glad it wasn't my comm because I would have gone berserk. Although my comm is stll filled with troons and turbo clolita weebs shitting on every coord that isn't taobao shit kek
This is making me want to become a lonelita, I pretty much only stay for sales and even then it's never stuff I'm interested in, since all they ever sell is Magic Tea Party shit and the rare burando is always ott sweet which I don't wear.
I hate their obsession with social media too, it's like every other lolita is severely attention starved and only cares about impressing other lolitas, I hate it
This. I recommend reaching out to people via friend finder threads and join your biggest local comm and check their member list for well-dressed, normal people. I'm done with non-vetted groups. Fetishists and troons are the worst but if I have the choice I also don't want to associate with clolitas. I hope you find friends nonny
We need to start applying for mod positions in our local comms. if we’re the first to see the requests, then we’re safe.
Current mods have allowed non-lolita wearers and worse to come through.
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i feel like we even have a potential discord server right here? would anyone be interested? I usually don’t use discord, so if anyone prefers a different platform i’m down
plz, we need a secret sisterhood
I'm down if you are. Don't if we need a server per se, we can start with a group chat and see how much interest there is first. Email me if interested to exchange tags.>>275387
Also down for a secret accessory! What could it be that no one else would use accidently though?>>275389
I like this idea, nice slow burn.
at some point you have to take the risk nonnie
learn to sage >>277038
the colors aren't too gr8 ngl. also i think if any kind of symbol were to be used, then it should be some ubiquitous
Hey, sorry to crosspost but the lolita thread on /cgl/ seems too far gone, so I'm going to post some info here:
20, M, California
>Do you wear Lolita, EGA or both?
I don't wear anything currently because I am just getting into it (reccomendations would be nice), but I enjoy both Lolita and EGA.
Steampunk, classic, and maybe gothic.
>Other hobbies, interests, fashion styles?
Hobbies include strength training & competitions, working on cars/driving, computering, baking, knitting, and internet shit.
>How long have you been dressing in the fashion
Haven't started, but looking for specific resources.
>Not looking for?
Annoying people. People using this as a dating platform. People who don't know how to keep personal stuff to themselves.
firstname.lastname@example.org (encryption available)
>anything else we should know
I have a HUGE disdain for patterns, which I call "wallpaper dresses". I'm looking for anything that coordinates around brown, gold, and dark green. I'm also looking for pieces that center around mens' styling, since I don't want to be the dude in a dress. If you speak like a child, I will tend to not like you(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Ignore and report, nona
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>>277205>his e-mail address
Idk about genuine but yeah kek picrel for cleansing
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I love lolita so much it's unreal
Praying AP does more cotton MTOs because I am tired of the ugly poly stuff
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I admit I am kind of a noob when it comes to Lolita style and I have never really liked the cutesy pastel giant baby style Sweet Lolita (even though I admit many of the dresses and items individually are very very cute, it kind of gives me a migraine to see all that thrown together)
I think the more elegant classical Lolita where they wear heels and try to look more mature and ladylike is absolutely gorgeous. I think this style also suits gaijin Lolitas way more than the typical Japanese big baby style with too many frills and layers. It’s much more flattering and doesn’t look so frumpy either.
Some of the styling in these older J&J shoots where they mostly use European models is gorgeous and suits them so well. They look like Victorian dolls.
Coming over from /w/ - I'm sick of how shitty /cgl/ has become the past few years, but love the bbs anonymous style of posting. Hopefully we can have a comfy group to just talk about lolita.>>279799
Even the cotton MTOs have been pretty hit or miss. Nakayoshi Bunny is pretty off. I was pretty disappointed after I finally got it after almost a year of waiting…
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stole this from cgl, but i love classic lolita in dusty tones.
Oh thank goodness, people are using this thread again. Going on CGL just raises my blood pressure, and that's only taking into account having to constantly hide/scroll past the bottom of the barrel shit cosplay threads. >>280965
I am another Baby lover encouraging you to appreciate Baby more lolol. Baby's flavor of sweet definitely still adheres more to a sort of fairy-tale feeling most of the time, especially their older stuff, a lot of their artwork I love because the style reminds me of watercolor paintings.
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just looking at fril and i see a lot of things i like. especially pic related. it looks like an older print but i'm really fond of the border style that's more of an all over print. (don't know if there's a name for this kind of horizontally repeating print with no border) but looking through these are really reigniting my passion! and they're less than 20000 yen! feels like a dream!
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I love the items with little knit strawberries on them so I decided to crochet some strawberries and I attached them to wristcuffs, socks, and an old cardigan. It wasn't too difficult even as a novice in crochet!
I have a link to a bunch of ons scans but they're in japanese and I'm not good at working with patterns without instructions >>283596
cute, these would look good with lots of sweet coords
Can you drop your link nonnie
? I've never been able to find working links to scans
, this vk link makes me miss lurking around jsf lolita community in russia. i always used all of the amazing photoshoots as a reference for my artworks, and despite all of the drama it was fun to read people's blogs. it sucks how over the past years they started allowing trannies, seeing them on group pictures is disgusting, and the way they cling onto women to a point it makes them uncomfortable is something else…
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I'm in the process of restyling my room and I would like to dedicate more space to my dresses. Right now I just have a plastic tub and a metal clothing rack. How do you all store your dresses/shoes/accesories? Does your storage match your style/s?
I'm in need of some idea
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tbh I just store it with my normie stuff since I only have 20 dresses anyway and I don't own much normies clothes. I've seen that most lolitas seem to have wardrobes or racks exclusively for their lolita items. It really depends on how much space you have and what kind of aesthetic you are going for.
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Same fag, but I mainly wear gothic and my bedroom does not fit the aesthetic at all. My lolita stuff is largely hidden away and I keep all my accessories in two shoe boxes. One day when I move out I want to be able to display my bags because they look pretty nice.
bought AP's happy garden op recently and it came stained (the seller didn't told me beforehand). Any stain removal tips? I have used like three methods already and none have worked
Istg some of these bitches be having food fights in these dresses, I'm pissed
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have you tried borax laundry soap like picrel?
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Where can I find old 2ch lolita thread translations? I read some ages ago and can't find them again
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Nonas, how do you dress when you're not in lolita? Are any of you lifestylers? I wear gothic and old school and my regular clothes were always pretty similar in style, I used to dress like a tradgoth when I was a teen and really into darkwave. I went through some realizations and reflected on a lot of things and now more often than not dress in baggy, masculine clothes and tbh I really like the contrast and how surprised people are when they see me wearing lolita/fred durst looking shit for the first time
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anons I need your opinions on whether this dress is salvageable or not - I really like the frog print and the green color but something about it to me looks a bit ita, do you think if I removed the weird chiffon frill on the bottom and middle it'll look decent? not my pic btw sorry it looks a bit wonky
there's also a pinafore skirt cut with the same print that doesn't have the chiffon so maybe I should get that instead? I just really want something with this frog print on it kek
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Is there any gothic lolitas here just disappointed by the blouses available lately? I won't sat lately, this issue has been going on for years. I really like the old moitie blouses but their current blouses are so boring. It's just the same chiffon over and over again. It seems like sheglit are the only brand who make good blouses since innocent worlds blouses are always sold out and i find atelier pierrots blouses to be too bulky looking. Don't even get me started on taobao. All the best stuff there is for sweet fags. Also thoughts on this release. I bought it but i am hesitant i made the right decision after the cross jsk that released not so long ago got bashed.
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I got a pixie cut recently. Do you have any inspo pictures of lolitas with short hair, nonnies?
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I know I'm replying late but there currently is a thread up on /cgl/ called "Short hair lolita inspiration" which might have something you can use as inspo. I would link it but I'm not sure if that's against the rules
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Any anon knows if people still wear himekaji? I wish there was more if a community out there as for Lolita. Any nonas interested in a himekaji thread perhaps?
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i hate jirai kei. jpsisters have the right idea calling it ryousangata. it's been nearly a decade and its reign of terror still isn't ending and only getting more and more popular. i'm sick of it.
I tucking hate jirai kei so much and the washed out grey-lilac x black everything ughhhh i want the og himekaji and romagyaru to come back.
I do wear my liz lisa stuff still and id call it himekaji i guess. There are really only a few girls i see wearing it these days.
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>handwashing my new (secondhand) jsk in cold water
>water is brownish when i lift dress out to rinse
The dress is brown, so I have no idea if it was because of the dye, or it really was that in need of a wash. either way I'm really glad I did it, and it looks fine on close inspection.
also, chiming into the jirai conversation a week late, I hate it mostly because of the really weird culture that has grown around it, and the murky muted colors that have become inescapable nowadays aren't my taste. I also miss himekaji, though I'm kind of accepting that it's dead in its original form.
I am glad your dress came out fine! Washing dresses always gives me a heart attack too.
I am not a fan of jirai kei either, tbh, lolita is the only j-fashion that i actually like.
I've had water turn disgusting colours after washing old dresses so it's probably just that, although a friend told me the brown parts of her OG Honey Cake ran. I reckon your IW was just filthy because that looks more like a commercial fabric than a custom print.
I've got much more fearless about laundry over the years. I used to handwash everything but now I stick Sugar Bouquet (a known bleeder) in the machine with a fuckton of colour catchers and it came out fine.
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Lately I've really fallen in love with "old school" sweet, but lately I don't know if I've seen many old school styled lolitas that aren't into more gothic styles/darker color schemes. I always thought contemporary sweet lolita doesn't really suit me, but I don't know what took me so long to realize that I really like the lower-key cuteness of older sweet brand pieces, especially pre-2010s Baby and AP. I took the plunge and bought this Sweet Fruit a la Mode skirt in sax, I'm really looking forward to coording it. low key sweetchans pls tell me about your low key sweet wardobes
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This is very cute! I agree with your sentiment too. I find myself gravitating towards less extravagant pieces too, granted that i have very minimalistic sensibilities when it comes to fashions in general, although i do not wear sweet bar my one sweet dress that is quite a lot and i do see myself selling it one day. Pieces like what you have are simple, but you can get tons more wear out of it unlike something like sugary carnival. I feel like when i spend time in spaces like ruffle chat, tons of the newbs do not treat lolita fashion likes clothes and want to be 1000% all the time to be the most edgiest and I find it tacky and tasteless.
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Look for BTSSB or some of the 2016-2018 AP sweet for adventurous days. This may out me a bit but I modified an AP OP with a cheap JSK and made this OP fall at my natural waist, and it's pretty understated by my standards. If you like jacquard Whip Jacquard is way nicer in person than in stock photos.
Meta's also made some very nice florals over the years and their quality on cotton pieces has remained top notch.
AYRT, I'm also very into classic, but mostly Innocent World's flavor of sweet-classic. It took me a while to realize I'm practically a sweet lolita with extra steps lol.>>313958
I have some lolita friends who somehow manage to wear their OTT sweet coords just on a regular day, but I've never even been able to imagine pulling that off lol, it takes some guts. I'm definitely a lot more minimal with my coording. I agree that some newbies seem to assume that every day has to be all-out coords all the time, which doesn't actually seem to be the case for anyone.
It was so much more fun than it is now. Lolita has always been expensive, but back then it was a challenge to even buy the clothes. Replicas were a real problem, so much so that AP (pretty sure it was them) had to ask EGL to stop posting them. There were endless cotton vs polyester debates, discussions of whether Bodyline was worth it since you could get multiple Bodyline pieces for the price of one brand item but Bodyline quality was infamously shit. Milanoo was a massive problem, it was basically Aliexpress but worse. https://ohnomilanoo.tumblr.com/
documented some of their atrocities if you want to go through it, they also sold cosplays and there was a lot of drama over lolita being seen as a cosplay instead of a fashion, plus a bunch of newbies bought from them and posted their awful coords everywhere. There were lolita guides that were created to help combat this. The Gothic Lolita Bible had patterns for clothes, headwear, and other accessories, as well as some recipes and other random things, it was great. There were many attempts at handmade lolita which varied greatly in quality, but making your own accessories and clothes was popular, there were tutorials for everything from making straw boaters to sewing a bow to repairing shoes. Daily Lolita was a goldmine, people posted themselves wearing a crumpled JSK with no blouse or petticoat or socks, holding their skirt up by the hem, convinced their Milanoo was better than any Japanese brand. The nitpicking was insane. I think the EGL and Daily Lolita livejournals are still up, if you want to go through them. Behind the Bows was so fun but IIRC it kept getting nuked. CGL was better then, less tranny pandering and more bitchy nitpicking.
I really miss the emphasis on DIY. Of course people still do it, but it’s a much smaller percentage of the overall community. Even if much of it was god awful, it somehow felt very… cozy? wholesome? for all these weird girls to be teaching themselves a new skill just to try and emulate a very niche subculture from the other side of the world, squinting at grainy GLB scans all the while. Making your own sock toppers was like a rite of passage. Actual lolita pieces were so scarce that people who couldn’t sew were desperate enough to commission the likes of talia_speaks for badly made headdresses. Remember that drama? I hardly remember what it was about, just that it was scandalous at the time.
There are more resources available now than ever before but it feels like people keep making the same mistakes. Everyone I know who actually knew what they were doing either stopped posting or moved away from lolita.
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ngl I take a gross satisfaction out of washing filthy secondhand. Getting a jsk that's possibly gone over a decade without cleaning and finally getting the grime off feels nice>>313944
kind of a late reply but this I love this era of Baby too! I love how sweet from that era was very simple yet cute and it's one of the easiest styles to build a wardrobe in imo. I like that there's less focus on fullsets of matching jsk, kc and otks like with modern AP and you can get away with a white blouse or solid colored socks easier. Picrel is probably my most worn JSK, it's so versatile and easy to dress up or down with all the detachable pieces. And the print is subtle enough that I wear it blouseless as a normie sundress
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I'm in the market for new blouses, or dickys even. any recommendations for some, especially if purchased with the last year and recommend (cuz quality can change a lot)? colors do not necessarily matter, i can dye if i need to, but if they come in sax, lavender, red, white, mauve, or taupe colors that's a perk. short and long sleeves. don't need to be brand.
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Not a sweetfag myself but I share your sentiment. I've always really liked this kind of sweet as opposed to ott AP coords. And I feel the same way about classic. I love the minimalist look that old school Victorian Maiden used to do. There's something slightly high fashion about it to me. I really like weird pieces that don't always fit a petticoat, they add variety and feel like an actual wardrobe to me. Obviously, not everyone is into that and it's fine less competition on the second hand market kek
but I've already had some newbie taobao itas try to give me concrit and tell me that I'm not even wearing lolita.
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>be dark classic appreciator>put together new coord with favorite main piece>carefully balance all of the textures, matching lace across pieces, etc etc>Take photo>This is going to be so elegant gothic lolita vampire aristocrat romance>it's just black blob>Mfw>>315304
This is so vague nona. Baby IW and Sheglit make the best quality blouses imo though.
I’m so glad in my home country that our national dress is similar to this in terms of silhouette and structure and it’s not unusual to see women wearing poofy dresses like this, even in the more modern parts of the city.
When I visited other countries and wore Lolita everybody stared at me like I was from Mars because they were all dressed in basic t shirts and jeans or shorts, I don’t think I even saw any women wearing dresses the whole time.
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I got into jfashion in the late 2000s and I've been friends with lolitas a long time but never got into the style myself. In 2018 I decided to finally get into the style myself and I guess it was easier for me since I was familiar with the style already and I kinda knew what the goals for my wardrobe were going in.
I decided on classic since I can wear it basically everywhere I go. I only have about 15 main pieces so far and that's fine for me because I don't wear anything outside of scrubs more than a couple times a week so I feel like I can't justify having too many main pieces since I won't wear them very often. I just focus more on having different blouses and accessories so I can change up my look and maximize how often I wear my main pieces.
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guys, someone explain this to me. what the fuck is up with the new trend of uber-short skirts being labelled as 'lolita'? Is this just ero experiencing a resurgence or…?
it's already so hard to convince people 'it's not ageplay or a fetish' this is just going to make that indescribably worse.
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Anyone else struggled with getting back to wearing lolita after taking a break?
I took a break from being a daily lolita at the end of last year and decided to wear normie clothes during the week for the first time in years and now I'm having a lolita crisis. I still love the fashion but I avoid wearing it because it feels like a larp to me now idk. I also really hate how everyone is so obsessed with 'aesthetics' and looking perfect at all times that it makes me want to abandon fashion altogether and dress in plain baggy clothes and not care about appearances. I feel like a materialist because of this and I hate it. I also started associating extravagant clothes with attention seeking because of social media and it's difficult to feel differently even when it comes to lolita because we of the many grifters and cows we get. I'm really torn rn.
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taobao lolita is so ugly jesus>>327704
I really like physical drop and innocent world's more casual looks they're releasing now as they feel a lot more doable as a daily style. I still have my beloved oldschool wardrobe for days when I'm in a good mood and want to dress up, but increasingly I'm also wearing my lolita cardigans with cute normie dresses and looser physical drop-style coords. It keeps the cuteness of lolita but I don't constantly have strangers gawking and taking pictures kek. Social media is not good for a slow fashion like lolita and I hate the competitive over consumption and clout chasing. When I found myself not wearing lolita as often unless I had the perfect coord and location for max IG potential, I deleted it.
I was specifically asking because it gets mentioned and discussed more often in unrelated or barely related /ot/ threads than in this thread itself.>>328803
Easy to ignore and it's probably just one mad retard anyway.
I'd be fine with that>>328799
there's literally a fashion discussion thread on /ot/ right now, where they mainly talk about high fashion brands and releases. It seems like the fashion thread on /g/ is now only for questions like "what do I wear with this skirt". Since this thread is more about discussion than helping with coords I think it could fit on /ot/ too
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Where did they get the term from then? It's already embarrassing for autistic women to dress like circus freaks, being okay of the pedo name of this style or is making it even worse.(bait)
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Man I just really love lolita. My first lolita brand coat is coming in the mail and even though I'll probably only have like 1 day per year cold enough to wear it I can't wait
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love these so much
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I feel like prices for lolita are starting to go down a bit, but at the same time all the decently priced stuff gets snatched up fast. Maybe it's just me, but I'm hoping this continues because I'm so tired of scalpers.
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It pisses me off how some shopping services will ask sellers for stuff like tag pictures despite the fact I specifically asked to purchase immediately. I've lost some dream dresses to that in the past because while they were waiting for the seller's response someone else bought the item.
I don't think there were as many back in the day, but now that there's the threat of being harassed for being "transphobic" if you don't allow obvious sissy fetishist men in, it happens more often, but like >>331074
says, it's worth it to go to your local comm and try to interact with the normal lolitas. Sometimes then you can even form friendships and just start hanging out with them instead of having to go to the comm meetups. Also, thanks to people rsvp-ing over online platforms like facebook or discord, it's usually pretty easy to see which events creeps plan on attending so you can avoid those!
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I haven't really seen people talking about new releases much itt, but I'm so psyched for the MMM x baroque rerun! It's been getting massively scalped for a while now. Is anyone else ordering it? >>330885
My local comm's token AGP goes to literally every. Single. Published. Meet. And they're almost all in public too. I think I'll stay a lonelita for a while longer.
yeah it really sucks weirdos like that are allowed into comms. and they're inescapable online too, feels like there's nowhere to go to get away from them sadly >>331944
that's a good point but there's a possibility the local creep goes to every comm meet like what >>332063
has experienced. the harassment brigades are the main reason more people don't start their own comms or keep the weirdos out of existing ones it seems
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yes nona it's absolutely gorgeous… I've been considering getting the white x blue tablier because I love how it almost looks like porcelain. It wouldn't be very versatile with my wardrobe tbh, but still tempting
They may start calling you Barbie and asking "Where's Ken?" instead of calling you Lil Bo Peep and asking where the sheep are at.
I imagine it'd be more of the same, maybe slightly better since the general public will view pink as trendy.
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Lolita vent: I don't understand how lolitas can be so disgusting with their expensive dresses..
I recently bought a dress of my favorite print and the stains were disclosed sure, but christ how do you get so many stains on a $300 dress?? There are food stains on the sleeves, on the pits and on the waist ties. Just wtf was this girl doing? It's like she used it as a napkin. Even a coat I bought recently had stains on it that werent disclosed but it came right out in the wash. How hard is it to wash and care for your brand? fuck.
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They treat them like everyday clothes in everything except washing. Washing your lolita shit isn't that hard either, just time consuming, the horror stories of red prints really scared people off washing printed shit.
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Both Violet Fane and Ladysloth are being affected by the shitty economic situation. VF is closing down and LS will have at the most two releases a year. I never liked LS designs but VF had some decent ones.
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Some of them are clout chasers/looking for status. It's an expensive fashion and many lolitas feel like they're special because they partake in it. Some are probably addicted to shopping tbh because I see many girls buying very expensive pieces just to sell them after one picture. With others it's like what >>334676
said. Handmade lolita is only looked down upon when it's shit quality/design which unfortunately is the case most of the time because most of lolitas are fashion illiterate and don't under stand what makes the garment good. Especially now in the taobao era. Picrel is a well made handmade JSK imo.
For some people, it's more of a collection hobby rather than a style. It's most prevalent among Angelic Pretty fans. During the 2010s print obsession era there were definitely a few autists who were so obsessed on collecting main pieces that they forgot you need other things to make a coordinate. >>335011
This is so cute, I love how well finished it looks.
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I really hate collectors in lolita. I think it’s so stupid to drop $200+ on a dress you don’t even intend on wearing out and that will just rot in the closet until the buyers remorse sets in and they try and sell it for an absurd amount. Even worse if they can’t Coord for shit. I just don’t think it’s worth it especially with novelty shit that is expensive but poor quality like a lot of AP items these days.
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they're good! I've worn mine for years and they've held up well, they're comfy too. Sorry if I'm telling you something obvious but it's difficult to keep the straps up like picrel unless you pin them to your socks or something and they'll usually be around your ankles while you're walking around. The soles are obviously foam and not real wood irl, but they photograph well so maybe I'm just autistic for caring about that kek. Bodyline's main pieces may be ita because of bad quality but their shoes and some accessories (I love their rectangle headdresses) are good.
it's nice the fabric and lace and overall construction are still good, I hope it stays that way for as long as they're making clothes. I think most of us have sworn off buying anything new from moitie and AP now due to it basically being indistinguishable from taobao quality. I don't keep up with innocent world releases but I assume the longer skirts are popular with classic lolitas? I see a lot of them posting coords with longer skirts and dresses these days >>335590
they're ok, the pleather feels like it won't hold up over time but if you're not wearing them frequently you should get a few years of use out of them. also apparently they run small, I ordered the correct size and they're super tight on me and I've seen others complaining about the same thing
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Anons who have a hate boner for lolita fashion are so weird.>>314259
I don't miss milanoo but it does make me nostalgic kek I do miss when there was way less gender garbage happening.
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I wish lolita discussion would be moved here instead of on /cgl/. At least the mods do their jobs here
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same nona. personally I think it would be nice to have a womens only forum that had a jfashion/lolita section and maybe cosplay section to replace /cgl/, or even a womens only forum that is focused on jfashion. it's basically pointless going to /cgl/ anymore with how bad the board has gotten in recent years. I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discord, jfashion is dying, both of those things or some other reason?
>>343405>I wonder if it got so bad because everyone moved to discord
yes. Many online communities are dying because they are migrating to discord>jfashion is dying
There are several factors to this but but i do wonder if the rise of kpop might have affected the disinterest for jfashion on an international scale. While animanga is mainstream right now no one is enthusiastic about japanese pop culture outside of that. 10 years ago animanga community would also discuss stuff like jfashion but not anymore. I feel like kstyling is filling that niche jfashion used too>some other reason?
4chan has a terrible reputation and at some point it became synonymous with neo nazis in the public conscious which might be why women are more hesitant to use /cgl/
the bad thing with discord is that it seems hard finding good servers, most of the lolita and jfahsion ones are filled with arrogant itas and creepy male troons/fetishists who don't really care about the fashion itself.
I definitely think kpop played a part in it but imo the rise of fast fashion and shitty tiktok/social media fashion microtrends was the major issue.
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I think I might be falling out of love with wearing lolita and I feel awful about it. I still find the fashion beautiful but I don't feel like going out in it anymore. I don't feel like dressing up in any way actually and lolita seems excessive to me now. I'm not sure why. I've stopped attending meets a long time ago because my comm is full of gendies and handmaidens who talk about how empowering it is to have an only fans. I can only imagine myself in a coord if I were to be completely alone.
My entire outlook on appearance has been changing for the past year so perhaps it's not specifically about lolita but fashion in general. I'm sick of the obsession with aesthetics and trying to look as 'unique' and attention grabbing as possible and definitely don't want to be associated with that. I don't really have anywhere to wear lolita to anyway. Maybe if I was rich I'd just wear it around my huge vintage mansion kek
I'm considering selling a most of my dresses but the sunk cost fallacy is getting to me (I don't own any sought after pieces so I'd probably have to sell them for cheap or something)
>>349643>any tips for people just starting out?
The hardest part of starting out is learning how to buy cohesive pieces and make coords. Luckily you have like 20 years' worth of magazine scans, blogs, /cgl/ archives and social media you can look at for coord inspo! Save pictures of outfits that you like, look at how colors are used and how it's accessorized. Go scroll lolibrary and make a wishlist of your favorite pieces. Identify if there's any specific cuts, motifs or finishing details you seem to gravitate towards and look for them while you're shopping. Be patient, don't cheap out or buy something you don't love just so you can quickly fill your wardrobe.
>websites that account for taller girls?
dress lengths vary wildly so you'll want to check the length of dresses before you buy them. For example I'm 5'7 and I don't buy anything under 94cm kek. Having measurements of your own body will help a lot. Generally Angelic Pretty jsks are the shortest, while Metamorphose and Innocent World are longer.
Since lolita is so niche, released in short runs and small batches- it's not like most other fashions where you can go to a website and buy a perfectly coordinated outfit in one purchase. The majority of lolita clothes are sold secondhand on Japanese marketplaces like Mercari. You'll need to use a shopping service (there are plenty of guides to this online) to buy clothes from them and get them shipped out of Japan. Some common websites that you can buy from without a shopping service- Lacemarket, Closet Child, Wunderwelt, Atelier Pierrot, most major brands' websites.and if you ever sell anything used on lacemarket for the love of God wash your fucking clothes
This is a good chance to explore different hobbies and interests. Growing up is nothing to be scared of. I took a break from lolita for about five years because I was too busy with school and then to go backpacking, and it was nice to take a break from femininity and get in touch with my natural self. Maybe you'll come back to lolita too or maybe you won't, but there's nothing wrong with exploring different aspects of your personality.
Like the other anon said, you can set your favorite pieces aside and see if you want to come back to them later. You can also transition your wardrobe to a more casual but still similar style and still incorporate some of your lolita pieces. Regardless, you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies are!>>349643
It's long dead now, but a blog I liked a lot when I was first starting out is fyeahlolita. It has some good posts on topics like wardrobe building that are important for newbies.
Some other random tips in no particular order>start your wardrobe with Japanese brand, at least for blouses, main pieces, and outerwear. Trust me, your future self will thank you.>The exceptions are shoes, petticoats, and bags. They're almost never worth getting brand>Take body measurements and compare them to the pieces you want to buy, make sure they're a few cm bigger than you are>Save pictures that are inspirational to you and figure out exactly what you like and what makes the coordinates work (color balance, silhouette, fabrics, motifs)>think/shop in terms of whole outfits not just the dress>Get a good petticoat at the same time you get you first main piece. Make sure they are the same shape>Hair, makeup and being clean and tidy more generally are very important elements of any fashion. Don't skip grooming and look up some tutorials if you need to.
About a year ago I took the plunge and sold most of my wardrobe. Mostly my filler and daily wear pieces, and I kept my longer more mature pieces. I had a lot of regrets for a while, I've loved Lolita for an entire decade and wore it daily for a few years out of that so it felt like tearing out a part of myself but now I have no regrets. I dwelled a lot on it, because like you I had a change of outlook on matters of appearance, but I wasn't sure if it was temporary or not, especially since being fed up with current "aesthetic culture" played quite the part in it. What finally pushed me to do it was getting a physical job where I can't dress up (I was a student before) and being freed of my obsession with always having a huge advertisement for my personality and tastes stuck onto my body.
Sometimes I wonder if I was a coward for giving up because of social changes. But I'm just so tired of how fucking lazy people are becoming in knowing each other. It's all about what you LOOK LIKE you enjoy, and everyone who isn't obnoxious as all hell is boring with no taste. It's always been a bit like this, we are all vulnerable to the power of fascination, but something changed recently, as actual culture and involvement stopped mattering completely in favor of being fancy and online. No one cares to know you and what you like. They can't make guesses based on your personality either - it has to be obvious by looking at you. YOU have to make all the effort to be known, because Internet socialization has influenced real life in this manner. This really ruined alternative fashion as a whole to me.
But also in a way I always hated that Lolita is a fashion-based subculture. At some point I rabbit-holed into goth music and comparing both crowds made something click in my mind (definitely not saying goths are perfect, just check the goth thread). I'm not saying we should gatekeep or change anything, but I really had a hard time with "it's just clothes" and the skin-deep part being the priority. It made the whole thing feel like a theater costume more than an actual subculture.
I hate lolita, especially if it's worn outside in normal streets. The clash of normal grey colored surroundings and overly feminine attire is a pain.
You can sell stuff for more expensive by appealing to aesthetic though. If you use the right lighting, pictures, keywords for the outfits, some people obsessed with trying to be aesthetic on budget can buy them for close to retail price. Then again your size also matters, it'd be easier to sell a S/M size outfit than an xs or xl.
Good luck. Try not to buy new stuff to fast after getting rid of your clothes and try to stick to classic and versatile pieces instead of flashy stuff.
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kek, are you lost ?>>349643
If you want to wear it daily : pay attention to your basics/layers and beware not to become a pathological main piece collector.
The "layering system" in lolita makes up the entirety of its practicality, it's like victorian fashion in this regard. Invest in good cotton blouses of various sleeve lengths, bloomers, socks. Buy undershirts to protect your clothes from the inside (I can't stress this enough. DO IT), you can get thermal ones for the winter. Blouses with detachable sleeves are a godsend. Fyeahlolita had good advice, albeit outdated, about wardrobe building for every day wear. One recommendation was to pick a base color (white/offwhite/black) and one or two main colors that preferably look good with each other. Picrel for sweet with the colors white/pink/blue. It's not perfect i.e. having a color blouse doesn't really add anything compared to another white blouse from experience, it gives only restrictions with no bonuses. Overall these clothes are far tougher than they look - a good quality cotton main piece can still look neat after two decades.
If you just want to wear it sometimes, you can do what the others say and buy coord-by-coord.
Building an outfit is stupid easy : if it matches, you can wear it. In fact there are a bunch of lolitas who suck at fashion outside of it. You just need about an ounce of common sense and to know your measurements. About your height, like another nona said, Metamorphose and Innocent World carry the most long dresses. From experience, Meta is the one that best accomodates larger frames and longer torsos. But that always depends on the piece and how it's cut. Taobao brands have multiple sizes - I didn't buy much from them as I hate polyester, but I like Infanta a lot, it's been around for a long time and the price point is good for a beginner, and the bigger sizes are quite long.
While I'm at it, since you're asking for websites : Devilinspired is a scam. Just in case.
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Thank you anon. You're right.>>349666>you're still you no matter what you wear and what your hobbies are
This is exactly what's holding me back I think. I've always found it silly to attach clothes to your identity but I subconsciously fell for it. My friends and people in my life often ask when I'll wear "one of my pretty dresses" again and even mention that I dress "like that" sometimes when they introduce me. I know they mean well and genuinely think it's cool but I think it made me internalize that it's a crucial part of who I am instead of a hobby. >>349677
I relate to everything you said. I also worse lolita daily at one point and I also felt like I was expressing myself. I got into goth music too, even before I got into lolita and it always bothered me how it's a fashion based subculture. I never really enjoyed going to meets because of that, I had nothing in common with lolitas in my comm aside from wearing the fashion.
Something that's going to be difficult for me to let go of is how many people are interested in talking to me whenever I go out in lolita. I met so many people just because they thought I looked cool and approached me but when I think about it now it actually saddens me a little bit. As you said, people mostly care about what kind of person you look
like you are not who you actually are.
Thank you for understanding nonnies. Nobody irl would understand the situation so I'm glad for this thread!>>349689
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and when I took my lolita hiatus I still wore a lot of my favorite pieces and got a lot of compliments on my style. I made a little capsule wardrobe based on that if anyone's interested.
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Also Lolita adjacent "otome" brands are worth checking out. They often go super cheap second hand too. Pic related is emily temple cute.
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What even is the point of lolita anymore if you're not a teen hanging out with your fellow lolita friends in 90s/00s Tokyo…it's just not fun when you're old and alone. Does anybody know whether there even still are any women wearing it in Japan?
The comm closest to me looks like the worst itas ever posted to cgl combined and it seems like they bring their men and kids…
Recently even Misako Aoki's vlogs no longer bring me joy, those meet ups look so dull, boring, quiet, everybody aging, even Mana-sama got fatter lately.. I want to turn back time
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The lack of community sucks but I will wear these clothes until I die even if I'm the last one on earth doing so kek. I have noticed- most comms suck because they're full of old fat gendies, but sometimes I see teen girls wearing lolita with their friends and just hanging out, usually at cons or arcades. They're usually tiktok zoomers in taobao but imo they have the "fun" you mentioned more than the average jaded /cgl/ user. I think there's a generational shift happening, teenagers still get interested in lolita but it's a totally different scene compared to when a lot of oldfag lolitas started (many of whom are now aging and graduating from the fashion). Lolita won't die, but I do think it will look very different in the future.also the zoomers love Malice Mizer I don't think Mana-sama's popularity is dying any time soom
there are tons of posts on the cow boards here shitting on women for being fat. it's always been that way and likely always will be. >You could have just left it at gendies.
I'm not even the anon who made the mana-pic post.
majority of the fat hatred here currently comes from women. a lot of it back then did too. fatties have always gotten shit on in the fashion - even the japanese lolitas used to poke fun at them on their anonymous imageboard back in the day. I'm not sure why this is such a foreign concept that there are lots of women who think being fat is gross and a thing of ridicule.
in terms of the fashion I think they get shit on so much in lolita because fatties have earned themselves a bad reputation by doing things such as stretching out/ruining brand dresses, buying replicas and using their fatness as an excuse, constantly screeching at brands to make bigger sizes then not buying said bigger sizes, being gross during comm meets (ordering a shit ton of food and shoveling it into their face, spilling food on their brand, smelling bad, etc), shooping themselves/denying being overweight, and generally being entitled nuisances. for the most part the fatties who are actually well-dressed and not unhinged typically don't get shat on.
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I been in 3 different comms in the last 5 years and each one has had a blatant AGP active in it. I'm so sick of this shit! And of course they never get booted because the only girls who can stand to be active enough in the comms to have a voice are the ones who don't mind or who let the trannies in in the first place!
>>350396>even the japanese lolitas do it, must be okay to do it
then you guys wonder why your comms are full of gendies. anyone with common sense doesn't want to join a community that's either anorexic delusional women saying any woman should look like a victorian waif while dressing lolita or perish, or gendies who wont say any kind of criticism on your face in fear of being cancelled. >ruining brand dresses
never ceases to amaze me how lolitas think private purchases are a community asset. not even the most deranged doll collectors would consider a doll a community asset if one were to customize a rare doll to the point it is not original and untouched anymore, for example.
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Did a favorite dress 3x3 (some of these I own, some I don't)
They're pretty fun to make though.
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Then my friend was like 'we should do a most hated dresses one'
Only did brand since I felt like including taobao was cheating.
Everyone looks kinda fat in lolita to me tbh. Especially modern lolita with the endless petticoats and light pastel colors, everyone ends up looking pretty big unless theyre absolutely tiny to begin with.
When I look through old fruits or GLB magazines and stuff most of the Japanese lolitas are pretty stocky and have thick legs and arms, they arent obese or whatever but they don't look skinny even by western standards. I've always associated lolita with chubbiness, it just gives that vibe, but I agree that massive landwhales ruin the image of the fashion. At the risk of sounding controversial, most lolitas are itas imo, not in terms of outfits per se but you can't deny there's a lot of pretty unattractive and overweight women in the movement both in japan and the west, it used to annoy me but as you get older you stop caring so much, and just learn to appreciate the outfits rather than caring about lolitas faces or bodies.
>>350642>who also love yaoi
Based>and jrock and worship gay moids and men dressing in makeup and women's clothing
I feel really happy when I meet older lolitas tbh. The people I look up to most are old school lolitas who are in their 30s and 40s now. Of course many of then don't wear lolita on a regular basis because they have kids and studf but when they do they can still pull it off usually because they have so much experience with styling outfits and being part of the subculture.
Also a lot of lolitas age pretty well I've noticed maybe because they don't tend to be into drugs alcohol and partying as much as normies or maybe because they do Asian skincare usually. Fannyrosie is like 35 and still looks gorgeous and wears her coords as well as ever. >>350310
Hyperfeminine fits with lots of pink and frills are definitely more popular with zoomers than ever. Theres a small indie Korean lolita themed brand I follow thats targeted more at zoomers and almost every single piece they make is sold out extremely quickly so there's obviously a demand for it. But I agree the focus is less on quality nowadays and more about just the overall vibe or aesthetic. Zoomers don't care about brand and don't have the money for it either. Also they don't care so much about the rules or outfit etiquette anymore, they will mix the more elaborate pieces with casual stuff like tshirts and camis more. Fashion in general is becoming much more throwaway. Zoomers see no point in investing in a 40000 yen JSK that they will get a lot of wear out of because repeating outfits is a death sentence to them.
Japanese people take fashion super seriously and also (used to) have a massive cult of brand loyalty. Other subcultures like gyaru and himegyaru were definitely just as bad if not worse tbh, if you were wearing Jesus Diamante or whatever you were expected to wear nothing but JD from top to bottom, JD had a serious cult in the day and strangely still kind of does somehow despite dwindling in popularity for a decade. Same with DIA if you look at old pictures of the black diamond gyaru or whatever you’ll notice basically everything they are wearing except their shoes is from DIA. You were expected to use DIA perfume, wear only DIA tops shirts hoodies shorts belts and even jewelry, had to display their logo all over your outfit to show how loyal you were to the brand etc.
I believe it started with the Japanese shop girls who were expected to be models and ambassadors for the brand. Wearing another brand was seen as disloyal and bad form to the company so they would basically have to wear nothing but head to toe from the same brand then other girls saw it and started copying it, it became a way to prove how dedicated you were to the subculture, but really it was just a marketing ploy.
you seem to be inferring things I did not say. I never mentioned anything about my personal opinion on whether I think it's ok or not, all I'm pointing out is that fatties always have been and will continue to be made fun of. it doesn't matter if you or anyone else personally doesn't like it since you cannot control what others think and say.
people welcoming predators and fetishists into comms is a much more pressing issue than the occasional weight sperging that is easily ignored by avoiding certain /cgl/ threads. >>350638
some lolitas are super obsessive over certain dresses especially older/rarer ones. maybe it's an autism or ocd thing? to some these dresses are like an important historical artifact that must be preserved so they take it personally when a dress they deem important is ruined. >>350640
yeah I can kinda see that especially with all the poof of ott sweet.
I don't have an issue with ugly/slightly chubby women wearing the fashion and can still appreciate when they have good coords. obviously there are a lot that do take issue however. it's when they're very overweight yet try to cram themselves into super tiny dresses that I think looks ridiculous.
looking back at old street snaps a lot of these women would be made fun of for being ugly if these pics were taken in recent years and there has been a trend of lolitas thinking that not wearing makeup makes the coord ita which is dumb imo. I agree about appreciating the outfits above all.
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why do you hate ap gingham color scheme and ap cotton candy shop? I'm surprised picrel didn't make it on the list
Yeah most lolitas are unattractive because they're not normie women, that's why it's so funny to me when a chubby uggo trashes on another chubby uggo. It's like watching retards fight.
They should either not judge other women or not look horrendous themselves so it doesn't look ironic when they call out other women's flaws but we both know that the unattractive anons are the ones to mock other women the most. It's proven right every time some regular poster in a cows thread gets exposed and they turn out to be ugly fat and old themselves.
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Lolita peaked in the 2000s for me. I feel like the designs are getting uglier and making people look like giant stupid babies.
I don’t like the
>excessively large curly wigs especially those in pink or lilac or other unnatural pastel colours
>not enough sensible use of black in modern coords to make outfits look more mature, everything is either pastel baby vomit or boring victorian dull colours like navy and brown
>trying to look too childish in general
Old school lolita got the balance between elegant and mature and cute IMO. Everything nowadays is either way too childish or way too dull and boring.
Sorry for ranting just my opinion.
>>350667>why do you hate ap gingham color scheme
I don't like it when people mix too many pastels and I haaaate yellow most of the time. >and ap cotton candy shop
Too sugary sweet, other OTT sweet prints at least have some balance (though I'm not a fan of stuff like milky planet either) but cotton candy shop just hurts my eyes with all the stuff going on. >surprised picrel didn't make it on the list
I like the print actually! The collar could have been better and I'm not a huge fan of the stripes but the base print of the geese is very pretty.
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If anyone can, could people provide resources or places to shop for beginner/cheap lolita? I'm a newfag who was planning on getting into it but I'm not sure if I wanna go completely head first in.
I did know about things like the GLB from some youtube videos and some brands like Angelic Pretty having a store in California I believe but thats it.
I also wanna do stuff thats more simple and basic like bottom left outfit in pic. Thanks.
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When you're a beginner dipping your toe in, it will be tempting to buy cheap but I highly recommend not doing that. You will most likely look wrinkly, cheap and disheveled. If you want anything of decent quality for cheap, you're going to have to know what you're looking for already and be constantly lurking on the secondhand market for a deal, like anything else. Just invest in one good outfit with highly sought brands, and in the end if you don't like lolita, it will at least have some resale value.
Instead, find some pictures of outfits you like a lot and see what brands she's wearing. and then when you go shopping, shop for those brands only, even for the accessories like bags or socks. Make sure you pay a lot of attention to your hairstyle and makeup, too. (Compare it to snaps you like.)
As for great places for beginners to shops, there is Wunderwelt and Closetchild. They both ship internationally. I wouldn't call them cheap but average prices, although Closetchild occasionally puts up great deals if you know what you're looking for, but anyways they're easy to use and usually have a good selection.
There aren't many good resources for lolita. Unfortunately the community is very catty and it seems to be a trend that cute and talented girls who attempt to be a Youtuber or anything like that tend to get bullied harshly until they quit. There are like a thousand "beginner guide to lolita" videos and articles if you just Google it, I'm not sure how helpful any of those are, I also feel I should point out that many lolitas are incredibly dishonest and will tell you you look good even if you objectively look like terrible, for example a prominent figure in the community Tyler Willis encourages men to wear beards with their coords, so rely on your own good judgement and don't listen too much to others. You'd do better to find what you like visually and imitate it to a T.https://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/index.php
I did some digging into /cgl/ so I got some basic resources and even talked to some people deep into lolita.
I've heard of Buyee and Lace Market (recommendations) but I'll check out Wunderwelt and Closetchild.
I already had an idea of how the Lolita community might be so I think I have a good head on my shoulders, thank you nonnie
I second the other anon who mentioned Closet Child and Wunderwelt as good places to buy from. They have great explanations of the condition a piece is in, you won't get any surprise stains or tears. It's tempting to buy cheaper items that are quite heavily damaged but unless you know what you're doing I wouldn't try to fix them. You can buy from Taobao too, there are loads of guides on how to buy from there and which shopping services to use. You can also use Lacemarket, which you won't need a shopping service for. Altered clothes tend to be cheaper but the type and quality of the alterations will vary wildly, so again bear that in mind.
Plan out a few coordinates based on a main piece- if you can't think of any coordinates, get a different main piece. Find a color scheme and stick to that color scheme like glue (use the color of main piece plus colors of any details on that main piece and match the shades). Look up the measurements of a piece you want to buy and see if it'll fit, there's not a lot of stretch in most lolita clothing so ideally you want to be at least half an inch smaller than the measurements given, and OP, JSK, blouse and skirt measurements are sometimes different so don't assume you'll fit comfortably into all of them.
Repeating coords is normal in lolita but ideally you want a lot of accessories so you can get more wear out of them. Invest in nice blouses, ideally with a mix of fabric weights, sleeve lengths, and details. Get several pairs of socks and tights that match your main piece. When you expand your wardrobe, it's not a bad idea to match your new purchase to the accessories you already own. Make sure your petticoat matches the skirt shape of whatever you're wearing.
Thank you guys, but I heard some sketchy things from Taobao so I guess tread with caution.
I for one am very into the gothic and classic kind, kind of like a preppy look that's simple but I do love some jumper skirts that have unique patterns or designs.
I already have a feel for fashion already and know not to mix patterns of course, try neutrals to mix and match, use same color schemes/be monochromatic, etc. My stepmother also sews so I can ask her for help.
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That's my plan with my new comm. My last comm had a really blatant sissy that seemed to go to every. single. meet. And almost all of the public meets were in crowded places like shopping malls, so it was just too embarrassing for me. My new comm thankfully has lower key meets and a pet tranny that's slightly less dedicated and kind of almost passes.>>350724
Look at pictures from after the year 2013 time-traveler chan>>350797
I agree newbies should stick to brand as much as possible, except for shoes and bags. Since you like such simple pieces, maybe you could just get offbrand shoes. Look at a brand you like on library.org, see if they've ever sold shoes that look like something you could buy in stores and then do that. You want to be able to try them on in person ideally. Payy attention to heel height, visual weight, leather type, heel and toe shapes, and any embellishments. If you have a big budget, American duchess has some shoes that would be cute with the pic you originally posted.>>350830>I also find most of the new sweet releases kind of hideous because I strongly dislike prints and massive skirts
Baby literally has pieces first released in 2005 in stock on its website rn?
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Mm…it looked nicer in the stock photos, I'd still love to own the skirt and tie someday though.
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maybe because it's a collaboration.
They haven't come with built-in petticoats for years. Very little post-2014 has built-in petticoats.>>351115
You have to just ignore them and get to where you're going quickly. Normally the bigger the group of people the less likely you are of getting harassed.
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Yeah I got harassed a bit when I used to wear lolita daily, as other anon suggested go out with a friend when you can or at least bring pepper spray kek. The amount of harassment you get will really depend on where you live imo. Living in a city I get weird stares at worst but when I lived in the suburbs people would stop me a lot more often, sometimes harassment or just rude curiosity. All you can really do is ignore them
Carry mace and or a gun in your cute lil purse. Don’t engage with harassers or weirdos, if they try to approach you don’t be friendly, simply keep it moving, also try to get a car or ubers/taxis more, public transport is too risky IMO especially if you are alone. For some reason I find that moids leave me alone more if I wear a mask because I feel like it kind of desexualizes and hides me in a way, so you could maybe try that. Trust me almost every Lolita I’ve talked to has gone through harassment or assault, I know girls who’ve had men try to hit or punch them, had food or drinks thrown at them, got screamed at, laughed at etc. It basically depends how safe and civilized your town is, my experience is the opposite of the above nona tbh I found in more rural places nobody cared or bothered me but in the city there are way more creeps and antisocial teens who will try to bother you.
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I feel like for a lot of people that's enough of a reason for them to buy it though, I really love DR and Celes as a character and BTSSB is my favorite brand so I'd imagine it's a nice way of showing your love.
With that being said though the collab piece I'm actually on the hunt for is the Shinku set from IW.
Ya one of my favorite lesser known lolitas made a video saying that even though most comments are positive towards her or just usual annoying normies saying she looks like bo peep or singing barbie girl or whatever, she’s had teenage boys throw food and cans of drinks at her, when she was going into a shop one guy screamed ‘WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT’ towards her while his gf was laughing at her hysterically, she’s had men attempt to spit at her, she’s been grabbed and men come up and start trying to lift her skirt up and stuff (so she said she began wearing shorts or culottes under every outfit in public because of this). She said that two of her friends got approached by a moid who said they both should be raped. What I’ve heard from most Lolitas I have spoken to is that 99% of the negative or serious harassment always comes from moids, for some reason, lolita fashion triggers
moids and makes them weirdly aggressive, maybe because it’s desexualised and cutesy and men chimp out towards anything that seems vulnerable and innocent.
I remember a lolita I followed on LJ in 2010 saying how some muslim scrotes threw literal stones at her for wearing AP. They're fucking unhinged. I wonder if the harassment is worse depending on the country? I've had people yell shit or sing at me or honk their cars but nothing ever physical. Carrying a parasol as >>351154
mentioned is the first tip I heard from fellow lolitas in my comm when I was a newbie.
That's so sad, I always idolized her, if not even she can cope, how should I…
I remember reading 5+ years ago that she tried dating apps and said that she knows that if she uses a pic of her as nurse she could find a man but to her lolita is more important. But I guess as years pass by… >>351665
Are you sure? I always thought it's her eye shape and makeup plus her acting "ladylike".
This might just be my assumption but judging by her videas the japanese lolita scene and therefore her job changed a lot too. Back then she was a small celebrity, attended huge events with other lolita friends and went around introducing stores. Now those barely exist anymore, her fellow models are all mommies now (hell even butch Akira…), the few tea parties seem boring and not like she has any friends and the majority of events are in China now because girls there are the only ones still buying and wearing it.
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Does anybody remember Moon Kana? She was the og model for old GLB and a vk-ish singer. She's now also 40+ but still wears lolita (seemingly all the time). She moved to Canada ages ago, got married and had kids but her husband seems supportive and also dresses up sometimes.
Many comments on Misako's video are supportive from other women in their 40s or older who didn't give up or even only started now but if it makes you lonely and full of regrets like her… But stopping lolita because of societys expectations could also cause regrets… it's just sad.
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Found the old interview in which she talked about dating (and also quitting), it's from 4 years ago.
Pic is her at 18 but it's true that her height was rather at 30. >Is it really OK for me to keep being a lolita?' I often wonder. While I do believe that one shouldn't worry about wearing 'age-appropriate' clothing, my thoughts still turn to age when I'm having a meal with friends who are married and raising children. 'Is it really OK for me to keep dressing like this?'>The first time she felt pressure to quit lolita fashion was at 25 years old. She had been a nurse for 5 years and was working full time at a hospital when the Ministry of Foreign Affairs nominated her to be a cultural ambassador. She switched from working full time in the hospital to part-time and in-home care to make enough time for cultural ambassador duties, but she felt very conflicted about it.>Just as I was hitting my stride with both of my careers, everyone around me was getting married. Once you turn 30, people start getting married in droves. I started getting anxious about that. As a nurse and lolita I'm primarily surrounded by women, so I hadn't met any men I wanted to date. A friend of mine recommended an online dating app to me. And as you might expect, men were really put off when I met them dressed in lolita. They'd say things like 'that's way too gaudy, you have to stop wearing that' or 'I can't bring you to meet my parents dressed like that.' I felt prejudice from every single date.
Most people in Japan get married super late if at all, it makes no sense that hobbies and fashion is limited to kids only. But it's the sad truth, yesterday I saw quite a big gyaru yt channel and some of them were unironically 13…>>351736
I only came across her youtube and ig recently, do you know if she has she been active all this time or just now again?
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She stopped appearing in GLB around the mid 2000s I think, which is a shame because she was one of the most prominent models and shared a lot of her patterns. She was doing music and social media then suddenly disappeared for a bunch of years, I think during the late 10s and the pandemic, it was a bit worrying. Turns out she had just moved to Canada, married there and had two children, as you said. So yes, it is only recently that she returned online and still wears and makes lolita clothes.
In Japan your teen years are seen as the last chance you have to express yourself shamelessly through fashion, crazy hair, wild behavior and partying or whatever. Then you’re expected to go back to dressing boringly, go to work everyday and dye your hair back to a safe black or brown again. By around 20 a lot of people drop out of any scenes they are in and at 25 it’s really unusual for people to still be active members. I think it’s changing a bit nowadays as Japan becomes more westernized and open minded (they’ve even been putting plus size models in shop windows for a few years ago which a decade or two ago would have been practically unheard of) but in Misakos generation it’s definitely seen as kind of strange and weird for a woman to be still dressing in a Harajuku style like lolita daily at 30-40, so I’m not surprised she faces a lot of prejudice.
Japan is weird because on one hand they’re very open minded about fashion and aesthetics and you can wear the craziest most impractical stuff in the street there and absolutely no Japanese person will bother you, but at the same time they’re pretty socially conservative and judgey of a persons life stages if they’re seen to be deviating from the ‘correct’ path, even if it’s just wearing unusual clothing.
I remember reading interviews with the really old manba and ganguro girls from the 90s and 2000s, and they would say people called them scum, cockroaches, freaks and spit at them and stuff. They were also quite bullied at school by other girls and would often drop out early because of it. After a while being a crazy ganguro girl became trendy so a lot of girls started copying them. They would also sometimes purposely try to taint their own image and feed into the native stereotypes to rebel, like would not bathe, brag about engaging in prostitution and break social cues like laughing and talking loudly on the subway or gathering to sit in the red light district which also earned them a bad reputation. Lolitas have a less bad reputation but they are still generally seen as kind of weird by Japanese people.
There's a singular troon who comes to meets maybe once a year. People avoid the ones he goes to because he's an overdramatic hideous gay moid. The cosplay community hates him, the idol community hates him, even the mods hate him (am friends with some of the mods and they've told me outright) but they're afraid of banning him over optics because he doesn't overtly dress like a sissy and would rather just send private invitations and exclude him as if he's going to get the hint one day. It's so frustrating. Just ban his ass. Apart from that there's a singular ouji enby but she's pretty harmless.
Our sister city's comm was invaded by FTM troons and all the normal lolitas left the comm and just meet up as friends now or come to meets here. As a result that comm's basically dead.
Middle Eastern and North African scrotes were always the worst whenever I attended meetups in the bigger cities. They would walk right up to our group, stick their phones in our faces and film us while very aggressively asking shit like “How much for blowjob? How much for anal?” This happened multiple times. Even when they didn’t come up to us they’d scream at us from across the street, calling us baby whores and shit. And the annoying thing is that my comm is ultra-woke so we literally couldn’t even acknowledge that this happened because that would be racist or Islamophobic or whatever, so instead girls would vent their frustration by complaining about the “horrible Karens” who did nothing except stare at us on public transport. I honestly felt like I was going crazy a few of those occasions, like did I imagine that? Did no one else see them? Why isn’t anyone talking about it? It’s a big part of the reason that I barely attend meets anymore.>>351744
My comm is overrun by female they/thems and we have a history of seriously deranged sissy AGP troons but as far as I can tell, the current crop of male troons is (almost) exclusively online. The handful of times they’ve shared photos or measurements you could tell they were giant hulking ogres so I suppose they realise deep down that actually attending a meet with real women will drive home the size difference and shatter their uwu smol loli uwu delusion. Good. Stay home and keep your nasty Taobao maid shit in your filthy rooms.
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there are some longer cute coats that go down way past the knees and should help keep legs warm. you can wear warm socks underneath boots overtop of your tights, get socks that aren't quite long enough to be visible over top the boots so that it doesn't matter if they don't match your coord. earmuffs or cute fluffy hats (like those bunny hoods), scarves, and gloves can be incorporated into the coord to keep warm while looking cute. wearing a wig will help keep trap heat in too. you can wear a pair of thick tights with utks on top of them if done right - pic related is an example that looks decent imo.
Speaking of coats, anyone know where to find some lolita coats for chubbyish girls? I bought a secondhand alice and the pirates coat that seemed like it would fit a while ago but I sadly cannot fully close the buttons at my chest.
It gets fairly cold where I live so I also would prefer something actually warm.
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Usakumya looking like a domestic abuse victim
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Two stupid questions:
Does anyone know if pic related are comfortable to walk in? I've been debating about getting a pair for a while. Or maybe I should get a similar pair from American Duchess?
How much do EU nonnas usually like to mark down their packages? I've never bought anything expensive from outside the EU before.
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I wish there was more posting on this thread as the mods here actually fucking bother to delete shit stirring and ban people. /CGL/ is such a shithole now and full of bait and aggressive petty anons.>>359649
Are you from the US anon? Things are pretty bad here and expensive so I imagine that's why buying has slowed down. I'm trying to purge some things from my wardrobe just to have some extra money. I get a lot of faves on LM but never anyone actually buying despite the decent pricing. I always get sour when I see people buying ugly as sin taobao dresses that cost even MORE than brand ones. So bizarre.
Lolitas still exist, most of the smart ones just decided to stop fucking with comms and posting their pictures to the internet because the community is so toxic
and also now full of moids
>>360884>like ap, btssb, and moitie sells out of some new releases still
I'd place my bets on chinese lolitas.
Otherwise I can't blame people for deciding to buy new, considering half of the second hand market right now are retards sitting on their damaged, decade old items trying to sell them for their original price. I barely even bother with japanese second hand websites anymore for that reason. Everything cheap immediately gets bought up by the same few scalpers and all that's left are $400 dresses no one even wants. Even livejournal comm sales prices weren't that bad. I'm honestly so glad I have a more than fulfilling wardrobe already, being a newbie right now must suck so hard.