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Since someone in the TIF thread mentioned the professionally written South Park yaoi fanfic, Both Sides Now by Peyton Thomas, here are some choice pickings from that book
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>>186995>I mean, you seriously look exactly like a guy
Some Fujo ayden published a gay novel which was actually her old south park yaoi fan fic with some name and race swap(kyle is Filipino and eric is persian)
It's about TIF Filipina TIF kyle and her romance with Stan
I have never understood it myself really, I get the Yaoi shipping aspect(no matter how disgusting I find it) but the amount of woke female fans sourh park has had, always seemed odd to me
Its really odd
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Kek, South Park made a Yaoi episode as well after finding out about this phenomenon
So basically it’s another 50 Shades of Gray>>187002
South Park has an extremely autistic yaoi fanbase. Especially compared to other animated sitcoms.
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SVU has gotten so bad. Noah was a fucking mistake.
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i just pull a reverse uno card on them. when they do this shit, i log out and comment anonymously that their untagged tranny headcanon made me dysphoric, suicidal and gave me a panic attack, and to please tag such content in the future to protect vulnerable bipoc trans folxx.
even better, make a separate account with pronouns, sexuality, mental illnesses and ships in the profile, so it looks more legit.
your own fault really, I mean you play around in mud don't be surprised when you get dirty
of course a genre filled with degenerates will have degernate content
I barely read anything now because of this new trend so you could say I reluctantly moved on. It's not a tragedy, it's just very annoying. I don't even think I've read anything about "underaged" boys either, I just want cute stories with guys in their 20s or 30s but that's too much asked apparently.>>187347
Is it a popular "headcanon" for this character or is it just that author who's stupid in particular?
kek you wish. i used to be obsessed with ff15 a few years ago and the amount of aranea x transboi prompto
or transgirl luna x transboi aranea
was astonishing. i think one of the writers even called herself a transmasc lesbian boi.
God I hate looking for any fics at all, the troonism is everywhere. I read both homo- and heterosexual pairings, but the trans shit is definitely most common in M/M fics. I just want porn man, not some fucking gender exploration.
On the MtF thread there was a screenshot from Reddit saying TERFs hate trans people because they want to secretly fuck them. Right. Nothing could turn me off faster than trannies in any shape or form in any media.
REEEEing over thanks
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AO3rdr extension will save your life. You can blacklist tags and you'll never have to see another Aiden fic again. And if there is fucker who doesn't, just do what this brilliant nonna >>187333
does so they can cut themselves for making someone dysphoric kek
Right? If I wanted to read a straight pairing I would read a straight pairing. Fortunately the straight ships seem to not suffer from transgenderism that much. I mean, I never read straight ships fics where the female characters get turned into TIMs. Read one where the male character was a TIF (badly written as you expect) but that was tagged at least (and I was curious).
These troon m/m fics are also very weird. Everything and everyone in the fic are so sweet and happy and everyone is gay and the drama feels cheap. Like, at the same time they do a setting where homophobia doesn't exist, they put it there anyway for drama but it is already established by the author that shit is uncommon… but then there will be a crazy female character (it's always a woman) spouting homophobic crap to make the soft boy cry. I'm tired of that crap.
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I don't think me deciding to turn into a good Amish housewife is going to get rid of trannies but go off I guess
I’m not calling fujos problematic
or whatever but I’ve never understood the appeal of two faggots fucking each other in the ass. Goddamn repulsive.(bait)
Ah, I see, so it's the old "stop liking what I don't like RREEE" with a side of mild homophobia
Women like men. One man naked is nice, two men naked is double nice. Plus there is no female to be jealous of. Quite simple, really.
So do I
t. little miss soon-to-be-30
This is so fucking painful, SVU is now a soap opera about the detectives' personal lives targeted at moms who want to be hip and cool. I mean go ahead and make that kind of show, but at least create a new IP.
Remember that SVU episode where the boy was forced to transition because of a botched circumcision and was never told about it, and at the end he killed his pedo therapist? Hard to believe it's even the same show (although I guess in a way it isn't).>>187340
This isn't about "degeneracy", it's about gender shit being forced fucking everywhere.
Why do some anons have such an autistic hatred of yaoi? Like literally every time it's brought up they feel the need to squawk about how gross they think it is.
There's plenty of shit I don't like but at no point have I felt the need to screech at anons who like it. No amount of shrieking at me about degeneracy, poop, Aidens, or ~fetishizing the poor gheys~ is going to make me stop looking at BL and yaoi. If anything, I'll just post more of it to spite you.>>187410>All fujoshis eventually become Aidens
Have you actually read the fujo thread here, or been in any non anglophone yaoi communities? There are plenty of us who fucking hate Aidens, and plenty of Aidens who are self-hating lesbians, not fujoshis.
You're been typing like a fucking male this whole time and it's disgusting. Also your bait is trash.
The vast majority of authors writing yaoi are straight or lesbian females. Yaoi is a genre made by women for women, not for trannies. You can dislike it of course but try not to sperg and have a breakdown every time the genre is mentioned, and this thread is about woke tranny shit anyway, not for shitting on yaoi (you have a thread in /ot/ for that).
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I dedicate this to you guys
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OH GOD the one before it is even worse
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Just ignore and report for derailing. They should take their antifujo sperging to /ot/'s thread and post woke shit in the media.
That being said, has anyone read books by the author C. S. Pacat? I always avoid anything labeled as "queer" literature since most of it suffers from shitty writing or awful tropes.
It's about normalizing ugliness, in case you hadn't noticed. They don't really care how ugly it looks to other people, they draw what they see as attractive and force others to accept it.
From the artist's Twitter, I can tell it's most likely an Aiden, because men don't usually draw cuntboys/transmen. So the character with the strap-on is probably, in a way, the artist projecting herself (through the female body) onto a man she finds attractive.
The entire human population does not subscribe to your BDSM fantasy dynamic.
You are dumb, stupid, and basically retarded, if you're picking up the subtle messages that I am putting down.
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This is the future the liburals want!
Yeah well, I forgot to add that these art styles often emphasize ugly features and make them look even worse. For example, body hair, which almost never looks anything like real life body hair (it's always those retarded straight lines that line up perfectly)>This is clearly just a fetish
I guess you could call it that>>187456
the fuck is this?
All I know from that writer is that she wrote Captive Prince, which I was too lazy to finish but it was kind of trashy in a fun way and "problematic
" so people shit talked her for supposedly being racist based on the main pairing and for being homophobic or whatever. I've vaguely heard that she's "queer" herself, no idea if that was to defend herself against the people who shit talked her, if she's a fakeboi, an average tomboy or if she's legit bi or lesbian but worded it that way for some reason.
it was problematic
because it somewhat eroticised sex slavery and prostitution in the first book however the overall storyline has a very clear denunciation of sexualising children and taking advantage of poor people to make them into prostitutes. the main character who grew up in royalty and thought slavery was okay as long as you treated your slaves well also came to realise how fucked up slavery is and vowed to end it in his kingdom once he came back into power
it was also deemed problematic
because the main character is based off the ancient greeks and was described as having tanned skin and tumblr types took that to mean he is a black man and that the author was literally replicating the trans atlantic slave trade against african people when in the story the main character was turned into a slave due to being usurped to the throne by his illegitimate half brother.
the author is self described gender queer and bisexual lol. she’s female and claims to want to increase lgbt representation and write about her experiences but somehow all her lgbt characters are gay and bisexual males lol
sorry for the sperg. these books aren’t perfect by any means but i think some of the criticism they get isn’t warranted.
Again I feel most of these issues would be solved if these just stopped reading excessive yaoi and take a break from porn and BL erotica cause long term it fucks up your brain
It is a fact that erotic and porn changes your brain chemistry. It's not something that the human mind should be subjected to
It's woke, but very tolerably so. There's almost nothing in it that's even comparably insane to the stuff posted in this thread.
Characters that are woke are framed as being more morally correct, but characters that disagree with them aren't demonized or treated like they're bad people because of that. If anything, the show does a remarkably good job of showing a realistic spread of viewpoints, and it judges characters much more on their actions than on what they believe.
If anything, there's some notable anti-wokeness too. A character will call out a 'problematic
' behavior and other characters will just ignore them, with the joke being most people don't give a fuck. The mtf calls a dude a "faggot" for liking him. Another character cheats on his wife to fuck dudes and mtfs specifically. >>187498
The trans stuff is pretty lukewarm, honestly. I don't know if it's supposed to be this way or if Hunter Schaefer is just telling on himself, but the show seems to indicate that the mtf character doesn't really think of himself as a real girl. The character even muses about detransition, and that's directly due to Hunter Schaefer's contribution.>>187497
The glorification of sex and hyper-promiscuity in this show is, imo, the worst part by far. But to be fair, the fat girl learns that the "empowerment" she gained from sex work was hollow and made her into an asshole
Anyways, sorry for huge sperg, but I put off watching it because I too thought it'd be disgustingly woke. There's problems with the show for sure (overly gratuitous sex, overly long artsy scenes, some misinfo about drugs and mental health), but the drama is very well done and intense, and the characters are well-written and likeable despite being horrible people.
I enjoyed the first season well enough, but the special episode with Rue is actually incredible and resonated with me really hard, and now I go around recommending the show to people that I know have struggled with mental health, especially if they've (ab)used drugs before.
Embedded is a three-minute clip that captures the feel of the show very well imo. (light spoilers, nothing major)
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yeah, the outfits are a noted phenomenon.
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ugh, farkin ell
Kek I love the triggered
tifs in the comments. And I hate the cartoon tif's voice, which is good because it's kinda how they sound like so it's accurate.
This is so funny>mom is missing>here are some pictures of me and your mom before she went missing!>who the fuck is that girl?>'twas me… I am transgender…>doesn't know what transgender means>it means I was born a woman but didn't like it… so now I am a man>what? How?>I take one potion a month to keep up the lies and be the real me!>…>…>ohhh I'd give anything to see my mom again!
Nice introduction to a character lol. They should have just had him say his name and pronouns when they meet because that's how most TIFs reveal that they're transgender and have special pronouns anyway. TIFs are usually never happy with any representation in media, they usually always end up getting obsessed with a fictional character who is a real man with mental health struggles so I don't even know why people try to please them when they should in fact make a bisexual male character with a dark past or w/e and the TIFs will be lining up to pay to see it.
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Anons, i don't know if this is cheating but if isnt, then i've found a goldmine
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Now we have troon headcanon for irl people
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Now bts are TIFs i'm sorry nonas
Speaking of Abridged Series, the new series of Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged features a joke about J.K. Rowling to pander to the troon brigade, with none other than fucking PhilosophyTroon himself in the comments section sucking his dick for it.
Like this series didn't spend countless episodes in the early years making jokes about the effeminate looking bishie characters all being shemales and trannies or whatever.
She decides she's bored and it's time for a change. It's honestly very mtf the way she turns her family upside-down over this random manic pixie they/them she just met and gets finger blasted by in Carrie's kitchen while Carrie pees herself (I wish I was kidding). It doesn't feel like something Miranda would do at all.>>187614
Mina just praises it for being a good intro to gendershit for boomers who aren't familiar like us "super-educated" millennials and zoomers. I think I liked it better when boomers and gen-x were clueless about trans bullshit.
Kek of course they're non-binary! Pretty men aren't real men, they're like women!
Also this is fucking creepy, it's literally mental illness to draw a real existing person as gay, trans or non-binary. They're not fictional characters you can play with.
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idk…. some of them are built like that
Also that character literally grooms a young boy into trooning out. The boy was growing up as the effeminate runt in his family being demanded to "man up" and the teacher kept pushing the MTF "transition spell" on him in every episode like he was a discord poweruser. It's just all around terrible execution, even troons called it out.>>187618>random manic pixie they/them she just met and gets finger blasted by in Carrie's kitchen while Carrie pees herself
I.. she what?
I'm surprised LK is even relevant. He took a long hiatus to battle depression or some shit, but now he wants to come back and make terf
jokes? Youtube really did peak in 2014
And Just Like That… is actually a blast if you like hatewatching and mentally delete it and all its pandering from the canon in your mind as soon as you see it. I think Miranda was the fave of a lot of us so that scene had me screaming
The anon you're referring to, they've done nothing wrong to me and I respect them.
People who add "intersex" in the tags usually write disgusting fetish shit or dumb woke garbage. It's best to avoid it, just like the trans tags.
I always got the impression that Ashens was slightly above all the gender bollocks.
That said, he did cameo in the video Jim Sterling made chimping out over his lose of subscribers after trooning out.
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There was some OT sperging in the MTF thread about Warhammer and tabletop game related troons.
This Emo Phillips looking motherfucker is a particularly egregious example.
>>187770>being a woman on any social media platform>being a woman
>How do I dress so I get the least amount of stalkers/harassment while still dressing how I want to dress
I dunno what to suggest, bro, maybe don't have it so it's not really easy to find pictures of your jerking your stumpy little cock in the tranny porn you make on the side with a quick Google search(kill yourself)
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this is from a different movie but Ginny and Georgia has a similar scene which featured a woke black-girl up-upping her teacher for daring to teach them the works of dead straight white man
this scene btw was written and directed by woke white women and there's this tendency among mostly woke white women to fetishize black women, it's not a sexual fetishization rather it's the fetishization of the "strong independent black woman who don't need no man" tope that you'll see a lot of media and even twitter rhetoric, the black female best friend who gives nothing but solid advice to her white friend and nothing else(which is what the black girl in the pic ends up being), It's a very bizarre relationship cause In a way it plays into a Mammy trope of turning us into caretakers or mothers for white women while it also masculinizes us greatly so that were not real women in a sense, I know not all white women have this mentality but it's common enough that supposedly woke white women have sorta subconscious backhand that men really don't like us
and so these women unironically end up having these really racist views, I just wanna be treated as a woman alright by men and other women and loved and not whatever this is
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of course they're reading the great gatsby… hating the great gatsby is such a meme at this point. if someone says that they hate it with a passion, i'm automatically assuming that they only read it once in english class in high school. obviously not everyone has to like it and it's okay to dislike classics (i myself strongly dislike jane austen) but if someone makes hating the great gatsby their entire personality and gets super heated about the topic, you just know they got a bad grade on their essay about gatsby.
I could totally see this for Miranda and I'm rewriting it in my head to end this way. The way she whinges and cowers around the nonbinary lady or any black person in the series instead of being normal is so unlike her. She's a litigator for chrissakes!>>187817
I've never heard an actual black woman say anything like pic related in a non-joking manner, but I've heard lots of rich, white and thoroughly indoctrinated people who think they're being groundbreaking say it. A lot.
Makes sense that today's screen writers fall into this category.
also do they do not understand the very obvious point the point of Gatsby, The book showed how the American Dream is an unrealistic and quite literal dream (as in impossible to obtain and only believed by those who are asleep) that can only be achieved by those who are willing to throw humanity away and treat everyone as an object. Gatsby quite literally sees Daisy as an object that must be obtained rather than a person.
you can hate the book If you want too(I personally do also dislike it) but fucking hell, you could at least bother to get the basic moral
I do not have as much vitriol for Dana themselves (I actually love their painting, can't stand the frog voice tho), but for Guy of Midwinter Minis sucking their gurlcock with the power of over 9000 chasers. He just got a baby with his wife. Bf said that dude is gonna do the ol' ditch-the-wife-and-troon-out any day now.
Trying to find some pic to illustrate my post, I stumbled upon r/Sigmarxism, a leftist subreddit for AoS. Jfc man, what a bunch of insufferable soy boyshttps://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/comments/t8t5vr/so_i_shared_discourses_video_on_the_warhammer_sub/
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Oh my issue was just the whining about muh dudebros gaslighting the OP, and saying they are pro-price increases though I saw really no comments like it. The fandom is widely anti-GW in my experience. Maybe a bad example.
And also about the whining of those big subreddits being "right-wing" - I think those are populated with both leftist, rightoids and people who do not give a fuck, which seems as right-wing to some leftists, as SO MANY subreddit are fucking woke hugboxes.
Some dude was posting on r/Grimdank about trans muslim women a shitton at one point, and people told him to fuck off. RRREE those fascists!! I imagine a lot of the complains are about similar stuff.
Not that I deny the fanboys who have some nazi larper wet dreams they can do with Warhammer, or with neckbeards being upset damn wahmen are ruining their hobby rreee. I don't really engage with the fandom, I just paint minis.
Ughhh yes. What gets me too is like….I can kinda see Miranda having a crisis of faith and going back to school! I can genuinely buy her hitting a point of wanting to do more, and going into human rights law for women and getting involved in the shelter thing! I can even buy her being a little lost in all the new jargon and shit, and getting kind of flustered. But exactly as you said, she's a fucking litigator, and she was already pretty openly feminist in the og series! This shit is not actually brand new to her!
Not to get too spergy, but what really frustrates me about the Che shit is that I think they accidentally set up something way more compelling w/ Prof. Nya. I thought, w/ her not being sure about getting pregnant, that they were going to have her connect w/ Miranda over that, and Miranda was going to struggle w/ the choices she made. Like, she loves Steve and Brady, but what if she HAD had that abortion? Her og storyline was the one that really dealt w/ working motherhood, and w/ Brady being portrayed as this shitty little fuckboy, I thought after episode 2-3 they were really going somewhere interesting. But then the Che thing happens and Nya's discomfort with having a baby never really becomes anything, and it's just….a mess.
Guy from Midwinter Minis has literally always given me bad vibes.
I remember his particularly cringey attempt to get Henry Cavill to play Warhammer with him.
"Hey, internationally famous Hollywood star of multi-million dollar action movies, I have a YouTube channel, would you like to meet up IRL and play with toy soldiers?"
The perpetual cope that you acktually need to read the tenth volume in the series/a perfunctory paragraph at the end of the book to see that it totally condemns the ~bad~ things kek Frankly people have a right to complain anyway because it should be very easy to write rape/slavery scenes from the get go in a way that makes them look like well, bad things, and not the content of the author's spank bank, aided in this by the attendant framing and characters' arc as well as word choices; basic writing stuff that shows the intent behind a scene because good writers use all those tools and tricks to direct the way they want their readers to interpret and even feel reading it. It even takes considerable, concerted efforts to (try to) make those topics look sexy, and so if we make fun of moids going "Rape is bad! Anyway, here is me describing all my female heroines getting raped or perpetually sexually harassed in a pornographic level of details," I don't see why woman writers should not get mocked or be assumed to have only the purest and most high minded reasons for writing them since it's not a secret that common-grade fujos really have a thing for rape in their romance.
I guess them writing about gays is an improvement over the hetero bodice rippers that they undoubtedly would have been penning if they were born 30 years ago and not suffering from a weird displacement effect where they condemn rape and do not find it sexy as a woman, but also get off from it, so they need to write their porn featuring two men only. It has now become a general rant more than a Captive Prince specific one, but do people seriously believe that the original motivation to pick that setting and those characters and the romance is generally motivated by the author wanting to denounce the horrors of sexual slavery and not by the author being titillated by the oh so taboo, so sexy!sexual slavery?
To get back on topic, weren't there even an FTM author who wrote another professionally published (by Tor ofc, who else) ~gay~ slavefic, this time under a science fiction veneer? Docile by K.M. Szpara iirc Did anyone try to read that and has some funny bits to share?
that image provoked a visceral reaction of disgust deep within my soul, why do troons have to ruin everything? why cant a nonnie
play tabletop vtm without disgusting AGPs?
Tabletop roleplaying games used to be where nerdy men could larp as their womensonas whenever. Connor could pretend to be an elven sorceress with big tits in a basement full of other nerdy guys.
Tabletop games might be the OG troon territory.
But why does it trigger
you so badly that you feel the need to shit up threads every day over it…? After you see a few of these antifujo posts it becomes very clear that the "we" in question are mostly coming from one full blown autist (you?), a homophobe poltard, and that other one that at least has the courteousy to sage. Most female weebs i. e. /m/ posters enjoy watching cute anime boys fuck and the ones that don't normally aren't triggered
by fujos the way you are. You need to accept that you're in the minority here and move on, stop being annoying.
This is what I mean
you always end up sounding exactly like male coomers, I don't want to see 12 year old boys getting raped, I don't wanna see real people getting shipped and I don't like seeing the wives and actresses getting harassed by you porn addicts
Can you link one post on lolcow that exhibits even one of the scenarios you just described? The anons here are shipping 2d characters not goddamn larry. You're crazy.>>188789
That doesn't mean anyone wants to see a thread bumped only for it to be you trying to revive some day old infighting once again
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>>188801>have hateboner for fujos>watch all fujo threads like a hawk>anons try to teach you how to hide threads you don't like and sage to deter your redundant infighting>look straight into their eyes and shit your pants
now what do you mean by that?for the record gangrape-chan wasn't spamming porn, let alone shota rape
Miranda would have terfed up and out but sadly her actress is a staunch advocate to these kinds of things. I think some of the weird gender elements were inspired by her life and personal viewpoints. Aside from what the showrunners put in to apologize for the original show, that is.
The trans rabbi gave me skin failure.
ugh, yeah – I was reluctant to think it was Cynthia Nixon bringing irl ideas and life experiences into the show at first, but now, I really do believe that.
And lol yes, the rabbi, ugh. I'm so tired of women-centric shows run by women who want to Be Kind and Progressive inserting scenes that boil down to "look at this trans woman who is so wise, wiser than the cis women, and so composed, and gets off really cool lines." At least Charlotte got to have her bat mitzvah? But holy shit, Rose was such a little brat in that moment. I think even the show got that, but my god, fuck off. I hope Lily terfs out in college.
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In the arm race of #ownvoices, a 100% straight women find recovered memories of being bi among writing a lesbian YA novel. The subtitle could be yaoi fan memes herself into really being gay, if it wasn't such a performative and lowest effort possible attempt at being a pretendbian for the sole purpose of stopping people on the Internet tweeting mean things at her. Not included even more whining.
At least you have to give to her that she didn't try the she/they non-binary route and afaik her books aren't rapey so credit when it's due.
>>189275>Well over half the fics for the most popular f/f involve the taller of the two being a troon, no preachy acceptance politics in them since they're probably written by moids and not teenage girls
tbh I think this one is worse. Moids are a cancer that doesn't belong in fanfic.>Even het stuff has it too, usually where a female character will "question her gender" because she's smart and assertive and doesn't like wearing skirts every day
This shit plagues all media and I'm sick of it, especially as a GNC woman myself. And it's already hard enough to find female-oriented romantic or sexual het content where the female lead is dominant, I don't need fics to tell me that I must not be female because I don't "act like one" too.
Do tell more, I don't follow that book scene, just stumbled on the dumb interview and had to share! So is the quota thing real then? I though it was a conservative hoax type of thing or authors not wanting to be cancelled on Twitter after the pretense of only writing M/M romance under the cover of LGB representation wore thin. Is it something stupid like 70% of LGBTQWTF+, 0% white cis males?>>189376
I hear you about the if you don't wear a skirt all the time, you're not a woman thing! It's especially vexing because you can't just have a male character wearing skirts or a woman not loving make-up without it being immediately interpreted as a sign that she/he must change their gender instead of a simple clothing preference, and the part about being smart and assertive meaning you not being a woman is especially vile. I hoped we left that line of thinking firmly in the '50s, but no, the modern trans movement brought it back! Add to that that the only allowed feminism now is the girlboss slaying men with her eyeliner kind rather than the more ideologically robust 2nd wave&radical stuff, and no wonder that there is +1000% of TIFs referral for hormones and butchery.
Okay, I say this as someone who works in this publishing sector, there is not a literal quota, that is complete bullshit. YA is an overheated little tinder box that gets a lot more scrutiny (from within and without) b/c it's female-dominated, and that means you end up with Albertallis who feel they have to do this shit. I'm angry about it because being an actual lesbian in this space is suffering, but also, I get it. The truth is straight women basically writing yaoi books is not that big of a fucking deal, only girls and women read these books and men don't give a shit what they want. It has no societal power, anyone acting like "uwu the poor widdle gay boys and male authors who must be getting crowded out" is a bullshit artist. It's just easier to throw a fit about women than it is to confront anything men do, so we pretend YA novels have a huge societal impact because we can control this space and no others and women know more about how to tear each other apart than to just plant their feet on the ground and say "fuck off and read something else then."
Men, gay or otherwise, who write in female-dominated book spaces like YA get laurels thrown at their feet, don't believe anything that tells you different. We will milk a YA book by a man forever if we can – Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian is still selling like fucking hotcakes and we all love pushing it, despite the fact that Sherman Alexie had his own metoo moment. Men don't get cancelled here. The fact is they mostly don't want to write YA, and boys don't fucking read, and we can't bring ourselves to just not give a shit the way men do. Even if Albertalli and her ilk are fujos, I just don't fucking care, but we're not prepared to have a conversation about the fact that it doesn't fucking matter. They still write male characters with depth 99% of men literally never approach female characters with, ESPECIALLY lesbian characters.
kek that article is so blatant>>189456
Usually the complaint isn't about publishers having quotas but agents heavily favoring ownvoices-types books and telling straight white male authors they aren't wanted. I can see that happening, because everyone seems terrified of being known for working with only straight white males etc.
And yes, women cause this cancel culture themselves by not having a spine, which is why at this point I don't care honestly. Just once I'd like to see some female author or other public figure to tell the twitter crowd to go fuck themselves. It's honestly really depressing to realize how much most women fear any confrontation and conflict and how easy they are to emotionally blackmail into anything. Meanwhile like you said scrotes don't give a fuck and they keep winning.
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watched superstore last night with my friends and there's this episode where they go on strike and muh evil terfs hijack the strike to protest against men in bathrooms. two of the characters (jewish straight male main character and black disabled straight guy supporting character) are super offended by this and act like the hot woman that the guy in the wheelchair likes is part of the KKK or something for saying that transgender is bullshit. it feels super forced and i wonder if they had to do that bit because in the first episode of the show they make fun of the supervisor's name (glenn) and the guy in the wheelchair calls him transglennder.
as always, gender bullshit in an otherwise okay show completely ruins the immersion and characterization of these characters. irl these types of people wouldn't give a fuck and would know fully well that men need to be kept out of female only spaces.
This episode killed the show for me too, and I stopped watching afterward. It's bad enough to shove trans shit in media anyway, but the fact they completely misrepresent a 'terf
' argument against trans ideology by having the woman sexualise herself was just painful. For fuck sake, the last thing a terf
would argue is that boobs make you a woman. Retards, the lot of them.
I know now that I was right when I dropped superstore half way sometime ago because it was turning so repetitive, happy to have missed the terf
episode. This terf
stuff feels just like those super performative BLM episodes in American series that screenwriters all scrambled to add in 2020 because the injustice against black people was just keeping them up at night, for real, when they didn't give a shit about the decade-long issues with policing in USA before (exhibit A, Brooklyn 99, which was a series about policing in the first place) or white people in fandom who were the one banging their drum the most about how you can write and read the most degen things in fics without it having any influence on anything but also that having police AUs was literally murder and racism (even when written about characters in countries without USA policing problem kek)>>189548
Park&Recreations, centered on a strong but flawed main female character in the same vein that workplace comedies like The Office, but mainly written by a woman and with better pacing and character arcs.
Also Brooklyn 99, despite later stupid episodes, is at its core a comedy about eccentric characters more than policing, 1st half of first season was fighting to establish a tone and is more generic and shitty as a result
i love brooklyn 99! i'm definitely gonna check out parks and recreation. i thought the brooklyn 99 episode in which terry got stopped and had the police called on him while jogging (?) in a white neighborhood was good and fit into the show, since it also talked about other issues like holt having to deal with homophobia in the police force
but then i read about how basically everyone was quitting the 99 because of BLM and how the show was problematic
now… the final season isn't available on my country's netflix yet but from what i read it sounds pretty bad.
trying to think of other comedy shows i like…
-2 broke girls (been ages since i watched that tho)
I wasn't definitely including agents in my original post. I really can't emphasize enough that this is like, idk, one women getting a high-profile job at a company and everyone being like WOW THE SJW CRAZIES ARE TAKING OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is incredibly easy, still, to be the straightest whitest dude and get an agent/book deal/etc if they want one. Do not underestimate how much a scene can be 99% the same old shit, even when there's a new coat of "yay queer poc
girls blah blah!!!!" paint. YA does not have many straight white men because they don't give a shit about writing YA and boys of that age don't read.
When one of them does deign to write a YA book, we all lose our minds over it and give him a crown. Yeah, there are like – idk, maybe two or three agents who are especially loud on twitter who genuinely aren't interested in taking them on at all. But I promise you they aren't turning any rando dudes away, because they have basically 0 interest in this sector.
Ugh, I don't mean to jump down your throat on this anon – I'm really just dumping my feelings about a much wider issue here. But if you only knew how often the allegedly ultra-progressive white-dude-hating publishing industry tears itself to pieces over "why aren't boys reading :( it must be women's fault somehow." Even the YA twitter pileons….they suck, they take a real toll, they lead to shit like every Becky Albertalli having to be like "oh i'm bi too!!!" but at base, they really are just another thing women have to deal w/ in this industry, which people think is so totally beyond this shit because, idk, The Hate U Give became a movie and some agent said something sassy about a man once. It's not.
Based posts nonny
. I'm more surprised to learn that men are crying about YA section not having enough male writers than the fact that there simply aren't any attempting to enter the field because, like you twice repeated, boys of this certain age don't read books. Who would they be writing for?>>189520
When I saw this gif and your post I first thought the supposed terf
was being ironic and making fun of how troons think tits make a woman but apparently it's supposed to be serious. I'll never watch this goddamn show.
I have seen people talking about agents looking for books written by authors whose identity matches their characters or being pressured to include more ~gay rep~, so I was genuinely curious about how common it was hence my question. So it's only some agents and publishers are still just after what can make them the most buck? I never doubted that white men were not really excluded, just how much the ownvoices thing is a real industry standard or wishful thinking on twitter.
And while I agree that M/M romance written by women, YA or not, is harmless on the whole–ironically I think that the asian classifications of it in a separate category as BL or danmei or whatever actually make the most sense, through outside of that, those genres are generally a garbage fire with their rigid, outdated heterosexual dynamics–I'm sympathetic with the issue of authenticity and visibility for real LGBT authors because mathematically, what we call fujos will outnumber them and get better sales because being from the same demographic that their readership, they just can cater better to their wishes and fantasies, fantasies that have nothing with the real lives of gay men (or even women if the author is straight), for whom writing authentically about their lives can put them at a disadvantage. For the record I also feel the same about men writing yuri, though it doesn't seem to be a viable market in the West. And then there is also the question of prizes, mirroring how I feel about MTF being listed for woman's literature prize, ie they should GTFO.
Authenticity, though, is really at the heart of it, not because women writing M/M romance is in some way noxious but because presenting it as a realistic, representative depiction of reality, even a political act, is. I may be amplifying a minor tendency because I was a friendless autist who learnt about the world mainly through books, but there clearly exist FtM/Enbies who just know they are gay and men because they desire men in a gay way, which they know because they read yaois and generally confused women who think they are queer because they identify sooo much with gay romances written by women for women or people in my generation who were all about how dirty hetero love was and how the gays had true pure love, so that framing does seem to have an influence, however marginal, on the real world.
Besides it's extremely irritating when writers go on about how writing what turn them on is actually a selfless act of representation of oppressed LGBTs, just because that's grandstanding bullshit, to say nothing about writers and fans alike who think it's a get out of jail card from any kind of criticism against their themes. Also because them pretending they are all about representation detract from the real interesting conversations we could be having about what women written M/M romance tells about desires, fears and societal pressures in female sexuality because outside of anon boards, recognizing that those fanfic-influenced gay romances are mostly about female sexuality would get you crucified and cancelled.
So my issue is not with what they write but how they present it, and I don't think people like Albertalli are just a victim
here. She wasn't even cancelled afaik or seem to have lost any commercial opportunities since her book got a series and a movie, but when faced with criticisms, which in the worldview she defends and stands for are totally justified, instead of rolling her eyes and pulling back from twitter, reanalyze her beliefs or even following though with them and stepping back to gave space to gay voices, she doubled down and hypocritically decided to make up a stupid lie to preserve her standing and her vision of herself. I understand that there are market pressures and you can't always argue back, but she just acted hypocritically.
And my second issue is not that people should stop writing whatever but represent authentically their amount of experience with their topic whatever it is, just in the same way that I would be pissed if I bought a hard science fiction book on the premise of the author being a rocket scientist when in truth, he was a gardener, not because we should stop gardeners from writing hard scifi books, but because they should be given different levels of trust and escapism vs learning something attitude, and double that when someone's identity is used as a marketing tactic by the publisher. (I posted the original screenshot precisely because the author also write lesbian stuff now and when I know that women writing M/M are doing it out of their ass, I have no such information about women writing lesbian fiction. The derailing in another tread that gave birth to this one was actually about the 100% straight Tamsyn Muir who was praised as a lesbian author when she isn't. I felt lied to learning that.)
The sad truth is I recognize that this line of thinking is reductive since the really talented authors, hetero or gay, can write convincing, deeply human characters no matter their sexuality, but the jobbing hacks have a limited imagination and need all the help from ~lived experience~ they can get.
My condolences though for what you're going through at work, I stopped participating in a semi-woke fandom because I couldn't take it anymore, I can't imagine having to put up with that on the clock.
NTA but I do absolutely agree that pretending like it's accurate representation of gay people is taking away from legitimately discussing how the needs and desires of a female are reflected in them writing M/M fiction, but it's come to that due to not the authors pretending to be gay to sell more books but the current political atmosphere of people taking themes at face value instead of recognizing nuance and subtext and demanding absolute authenticity with no room for filling in the blanks, so those are the rules they have to go by. I'd say that instead of them influencing real world, the creators were the ones being influenced by the real world to an extent it limited their creativity and forced them to assume a false identity in order to explore the ideas they found interesting. I.e. instead of a YA writer faking being a lesbian brainwashing a ton of young girls into trooning out with her gay novels it was them who pressured her into faking a sexuality.
However I disagree with the remark that the setting of two opposites attracting because them interacting can create interesting scenarios and they complete each other is "regressive heteronormative dynamics", especially when it's rarely as polarized as people assume it is. It has the same energy as saying that butch/femme couples are based on "heterosexual dynamics" which I highly resent.
i feel this way too when i look at books. they're no longer marketed for what they are, but for what buzzwords they tick off. i don't care if something is a black jewish kweer trans disabled generational trauma story. i just want a compelling story to read and not something that forces me to analyze every aspect of my existence because it's so problematic
that i don't have a disability and i'm not mentally ill enough to think i'm trans. not to mention that many good books are buried under labels of being (for example) so incredibly kweer, when the kweerness is only a minor fraction of what the story is actually about.
Stop being triggered
by a literally accurate and relevant descriptor.
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How could they do this to my boys and girl I fucking hate aidens so much
I was also checking out a "BL" fanart of Ainosuke and Tadashi from Sk8 (picrel) and then I notice one of them is drawn with a fucking vague pussy. I wish they would tag their troon shit or you know what? It would be better to just genderbend the character if they're into straight sex.
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jesus christ do you ever get tired of being a retard.
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WTF IS THIS
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Followed an artist because I really like the art style, trying hard to cope with the they/them pronounces on their bio and ended up disappointing myself with their hot oc being an nb, tits cuts and all. dick has yet to be shown but the other pic of her in her boxers tells a diff anatomically wrong story.
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dig deeper and found out she is paired up with a "cis" girl and they have a kid together, lol.
now, i learn my lesson to read captions and comments, which i never do. the artist was smart enough to not put a character sheet anywhere in her ig.
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This is one of the reasons I’ve lost interest in 2D fandoms. All fandoms are infected by the stupid themby “gay dudes” now, but for live action fandoms, I rarely run into surprise vag in my sex scenes.
I’m assuming (hoping) it’s because the he/theys feel more awkward trooning out actual people >look, no TIF tit scars!
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I'm in the Parappa fandom and I've noticed that I have yet to read a 'surprise vagina' fic even if futashit exists when it comes to NSFW involving Lammy, and to be honest I have to wonder if the reason behind this is the community taboo on sexualizing the characters since it's pretty much he/they infested like every other fandom out there…
Fanart is a different story, though. Lots of drawings of my husbando with trans flags, aand I've seen at least one with the tit scars. Pic related.
gen z basically revive a lite version of otherkin which they "kin" characters in media because they find them relatable or other reasons but with more or less have self-awareness of reality this time.
although DID was trending in tiktok
Yeah, that definitely must suck. I've been obsessing over a 2000s anime series recently, but I feel like I can't and shouldn't try to get into what remains of its community right now, and whenever I try to search for stuff involving newer anime its always more of a hatereading kind of thing than anything. No, when I search for stuff involving fandoms that aren't Parappa and that anime series it's 99% of the time a hatesearch.
And yeah, I can definitely feel you. I don't watch as much anime or read as much manga as I used to, but even then I stil kinda identify as a weeb sometimes.
NTA, but can also people who feel hurt in their souls or something every time someone makes an offhand remark that having all your media consumption, and in this thread case, production, be all about a sexual orientation you're not even part of is rightfully called a fetish, no matter the writing quality or if it's written by women for women or not, stop derailing the thread about how they are the good fujos and not like those other wrong, bad fujos? Like if you feel worried about how you chose to spend your time, then take it up with yourself, not this thread, and if you think you're doing nothing wrong, then kudos, keep doing it, but god stop sperging about it.
The anon who was really hang up and disgusted by how gays had sex was bad, but this thread is about woke media, not BL lovers defense squad.
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I just saw this episode on TV, because I'm an ESL, and holy fuck this is the first time I hear someone unironically saying "elle" in spanish TV, this timeline is cursed.
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Character bio from an upcoming Japanese otome game. Reading three different pronouns referring to a single person gave me a fucking migraine. Is Japanese media falling for this crap too or is the translator having a field day? Game is Inga Ouhou: Murderous Plaza
Ah, I didn't realize this was a Japanese indie game. Unfortunate about the artist. I'll look up her work tho>>192695
I knew from shoujo manga and other otome games that they love gender bender themes and cross dressing stuff. Just didn't think it would sound like western brain rot
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I don't understand how it is possible: someone have technical skills to make something visually coherent, but have zero ZERO emotional intelligence and knowlege of how narrative works or how people work in general, honestly
What is this
Pacing, dialouge, characters, the whole structure - like I am watching a show for 5 yo, hell dora the explorer is less infantile
This is not even autistic, that is just dumb
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Here's the last one. This was also posted to the ftm thread in snow along with information on the author for anyone interested.
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that perspective is straight up medieval >>212743
lmao I just imagined a lolcow movie night where we all gather to hate watch it. I kinda want to do it now
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This is like a tumblrfied My Life Me and moves the same way
This was cringe and all but >>212704
really went leaps and bounds ahead. I can't believe polyshit is this normalized now.
Yeah, I kinda feel uncomfortable because of the narrative that's being pushed. Just more normal situations, please?
(I say this as a dark-skinned black woman)
Did you not see >>212788
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So I'm watching Welcome to Flatch and randomly, without warning, this Mickey Mouse sounding FtM doing a mobster impression with a magic marker looking mustache steps out and everybody just treats her like a normal dude. Gave me whiplash
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this stuff really is becoming more and more popular in japan too, huh.
don't worry nonny
, i'm pretty sure that cartoon was made by a straight woman so yes, they probably all have adorable cartoon dicks
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Apparently this bara-ass guy from Granblue Fantasy Versus is officially a "transwoman". And after initially getting a knee-jerk reaction, the wokies accepted "her" as positive trans representation, kek. Or so I read on a Resetera thread I found.
In the original Japanese dub, it's "To all you fools that love skateboarding.", but here, it's "Hey bitches and bros and nonbinary hoes."
Goddammit David Wald, you had one job.
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Fucking why? This is even worse than 90s JRPG localizations by Americans.
>>220992>biological male>transgender woman
Aren't those two the same thing? Plus, "biological male" doesn't refer to gender identity bullshit, it describes biological sex. Although I guess the "proper" term now would be "AMAB".
But aside from that, obviously this localization comes off as conversion therapy.
I wonder why the translator thought it was necessary to add "trans girl representation" in a genre about gay romance.
Anon you need to tell me you're joking right now or I'm gonna kys myself to escape this horrible timeline.>>220954>>220979
I remember when even the ~enbies~ that I know were cringing hard at that line and treating it like an embarrassing joke. It's like some 4chan psyop testing how far they can go with this ridiculous shit until they get caught.
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>>221014>Anon you need to tell me you're joking right now or I'm gonna kys myself to escape this horrible timeline.
I'm actually not a GBF fan and there doesn't seem to be an official confirmation that the guy is a troon instead of an okama type character but the localization seems to be trying really hard to make it look like he's a transwoman whose gender identity is just never explicitly talked about (keeping it vague for the western audience).>>221014
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the author female (according to Baka-Updates at least) and the manga published in a shoujo magazine? The art style is very typical of shoujo too.
I agree that the guy looks exactly like a girl, though. Picrel is from an interview with the author. https://www.pixivision.net/en/a/6692
I'm still not sure if the author's a male or a woman but looking at her(?) pixiv gives me the impression that she's one of those female artists who draws mostly female characters.
I don't have screenshots because I'm on my phone but I looked it up and the translator is a tranny. A female translator defended his choice by saying he made a shit ton of research by asking completely unrelated American transbians their opinions on the manga. They're the same people who add outdated, unfunny memes, Trump quotes and remove "problematic
" yet incredibly plot relevant lines in video games when they "localize" them.
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This show is supposedly good but the marketing makes me doubt that.
Is it the same company that’s handling the translation?
Does anyone have other examples of horrible japanese to english translation that changes the context? It seems to be weirdly common
No they do it because they truly believe this is the correct way of doing this. Whenever they talk about translation theory, transposition or whatever they sound like they skipped almost all their Japanese classes in uni and paid the uni to give them their degree. You'd never see anything this retarded in technical translation because companies hire actually competent translators who take their jobs seriously instead of inserting shitty memes in technical or legal documents. I doubt novels get the same treatment as often as vidya and anime nearly as often too because publishing houses take that shit seriously. When localizers don't even know the true purpose of localization and can't make a good localization you know they're retarded.
I'm thinking about shit like FE Fates rewriting its main characters, especially Xander, to the point the story went from a normal, coherent family drama with fairy tale and Buddhist story (especially the spider string) elements taking place in countries inspired by several irl silk road countries to an incoherent family drama with no stakes, schizophrenic characters, outdated memes and as many references to Asia and Buddhism as possible removed. And what happened? Nintendo of Japan made sure the localizers got fired and replaced because of how bad it was. However, we still have crazy shit like Xenoblade 2's localization which is full of nonsense like the name changes (the humans have western names, the blades have japanese names in the original script), the stupid accents (meant to replace the fact that the original names were meant to easily distinguish humans and blades), the terrible dub (there's a japanese voice acting patch though) the Christianity references were removed or made ambiguous because the localizers thought it would offend American parents like in the 90s, etc. To stay on topic, the FE Fates localization removed a bunch of lines for the bisexual characters when you want to get their gay S supports, but tried very hard to make a straight character a kawaii uguu lesbian and it backfired hard because they couldn't change ALL her dialogs so instead of just being annoying with female characters she comes accross as a legit predator.
>>221124>You'd never see anything this retarded in technical translation because companies hire actually competent translators who take their jobs seriously instead of inserting shitty memes in technical or legal documents.
That's because technical and legal texts are completely different from creative works and obviously must be as clear and literal as possible, using very specific language. Meanwhile creative works allow for some creative freedom as long as you convey the same thing in roughly the same way the original did. But obviously inserting zoomer memes in the script where no such thing existed in the original is retarded, as is rewriting entire characters to make the story more "progressive".
And this is more suitable for the localization/dub thread but I hate how weebs whine so much about English dubs (the voices and performances, not the translation), their shittiness is blown out of proportion. Another thing I notice a lot is that many weeb retards complain about English subs not having the exact same structure that the original Japanese sentences, or complaining that a translator chose to use an equivalent term or phrase in English instead of the exact Japanese word untranslated, maybe because they're so used to reading crap fan translations with unnatural sounding English and awkwardly phrased sentences; if they complain so much about such a basic translation principle, they should learn Japanese so they don't have to deal with it. Furthermore, if the target audience are more normie anime watchers who aren't as familiar with Japanese culture/humor/language, they're not going get every dumb Japanese joke or random Japanese cultural reference, meaning that the experience won't be the same as the original audience had, so in that case the translators have two options: either localize that and use an equivalent English dumb joke/reference that most of the target audience will get immediately, or leave it as it is and include a translator's note explaining the original line, which will most likely break immersion. This is a thing that happens all the time in professional translation because most people who read translations aren't that
knowledgeable about the original target audience's culture (and aren't obligated to be, as they're just reading/watching for entertainment), but you don't see people complaining about it happening with any other language but Japanese (ok, maybe sometimes, but not nearly to the same extent). Even people who aren't the target audience for anime/manga translations because they know Japanese already complain about these basic things because to them, glorious nippon language is sacred and shouldn't be touched at all.
So it's not just SJW translators who are idiots for messing with the actual meaning of sentences, changing names for no reason and rewriting entire plots, it's also the weebs who keep getting into dumb internet fights with them and attacking them for literally anything (even correct localization practices).
What you said is reasonable but some games get really awful localizations. What you described fits games like Pokemon and Ace Attorney where the characters are the same no matter the language, where names are translated because they're puns, where the cultural references used for jokes are replaced with equivalents that make sense (a movie reference replaced by another movie reference for example). Games like Skies of Arcadia or Fire Emblem Fates don't fit that description though: there was an interview about the first one with the localizer saying he just noted the important story bits, rewrote everything in ways that made sense to him and only him, and he removed obvious implications about a male character being attracted to his male boss because it was "creepy" and nonsensical from HIS point of view. I'm still on mobile so I don't have screenshots. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is in-between because the name changes and English accents sort of make sense for English speakers, but make no sense whatsoevee for people who don't speak English. If I told my siblings to play it in English because that's the default language for the PAL version, they wouldn't even notice that the humans and blades have different accents to distinguish them (which the original names already did) because they don't know English enough to distinguish British accents, American accents, Welsh or Scottish accents, etc. You're right we should take this to the localization thread, this is getting slowly getting more and more off-topic.
>>221174>I hate how weebs whine so much about English dubs (the voices and performances, not the translation), their shittiness is blown out of proportion.
No it's not, American dubs have a very, very distinct performance style that everyone outside of the US absolutely hates. As an ESLfag I have not met a single other ESL person who actually prefers the American dub to the original Japanese unless it's a normie that gets triggered
hearing a language they don't recognize, hell, even my native dubs sound better than the American ones due to the fact that the performance isn't usually based on over the top cartoonish enunciation and intonation more fitting overused American tropes than the original Japanese characters. But what really makes it worse is the D-list internet celebrities being picked to perform the voices instead of actual experienced voice actors like in the original Japanese version, and the e-celebs are the ones often shoehorning in their retarded wokeshit like this >>220954
because the entire scene is built on nepotism.
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There's been mention of the woke washed casting of Monster High in multiple threads now but god I cannot get over this shit
Lagoona is no longer Australian, for one, but is instead South American. Headmistress Bloodgood was never black either. And since there's a live action version too where they play their roles the casting becomes even more questionable.
Also, Frankie isn't just voiced by an enby. They made her character enby too as far as I know
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Very specific problem but I hate the fuck out how transformer fans or robot fans in general even tend to draw half of the cast like women and write them like girls.
Finding a popular series or franchise that mainly consists of adult male characters that act like adult men and have some good chemistries is so damn rare and hard to find and these people have to turn it into pseudo-het shit or headcanon everybody they are into as trans for no fucking reason.
For fuck's sake, modern media is flooded with girly stuff, pick up one of these billion series to project. I don't get why anybody would even get into a series about dudes fighting a war and committing and suffering from war crimes and then think "now THIS is something I would enjoy- if everybody was trans, feminine and drinking coffee together and if there was no war and no men that act and look like men". I never understood the logic behind that approach or why these people are even there.
And yeah as the other anon has said, even if a character could be headcanoned as trans (as in, if there was actual canon content backing that) I absolutely do not want to read some gender exploration, I want to read about the characters I like fucking each other or at least going through an adventure together or just do some funny shit because I love the series and want to see more of it. I am not interested in whatever gender related insecurities the meds-addicted writer might have.
The power dynamics are way more interesting and I prefer characters to be equal albeit different. With het it's just the woman getting fucked and it's boring as shit.
Plus, the text will focus on her body and I do not care about female bodies, I want to see a manly guy moan and getting ravaged by another man instead.
Yes, yes to everything.
I had the feeling that this shit would happen, specially when the writers started wokefying the characters by turning Elita-1 into a tranny.
I mean, they're giant robots in a whole ass war that destroyed their civilization to the point in which there weren't many things or people to even talk about. And they somehow give a fuck about tranny shit? It's seriously retarded.
Hell, I didn't care when people started writing fanfics with them having magical ass vaginas, because they're aliens and whatever, but when they started spouting their backwards mentality I had to step back from the fandom because it was getting extremely retarded. The wokes, again, ruined a great story with lots of interesting ideas because they want to be oppressed.
All I wanted was to read about hot sexy giant transforming robots grappling with each other and grunting like in a Turkish oil wrestling fashion before they had copious amounts of techno sex that didn't require dicks and magical ass vaginas, is that too much to ask? I hate the retarded BDSM fanfics and fanart, I hate the retarded Mpreg shit, I hate the they/them pronouns and I absolutely hate how the comic writers decided to do whatever the fuck
they wanted by adding tranny shit into the official comic.
I really hope that when this shit stops being fashionable that the idiot who said "let's turn Elita-1 into a tranny" hides under a rock and never comes out of it because of the extremely burdensome shame he/she/whatever will feel.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you, dude.
I've seen that type of shit happen in 2012. This shit is fucking gross for all I care.
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This is one of the main questgivers in VTM Bloodhunt. I guess it's supposed to be a joke about how much of an asshole he is? I'm not into V5 so I haven't been keeping up. neonazi to trans pipeline strikes again
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You could make an entire thread based on the super graceful writing that has been happening over the better part of a decade in marvel and dc.
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Is that the Batgirls tranny roommate? The reason why they started shilling this character more in the comics was because twitter TRAs were complaining about "lack of representation ". Picrelated is this trannys only drama and they did it only after twitterfags started whining. I hate what DC comics is doing to Barbara.
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They're in a a false timeline where bad things are even worse. I don't think it really matters because the run by this writer just comes off like it's ripping off trendy social media politics. It was much worse in the past with some comics I remember some lines being 1:1 rip offs from tweets. Politics in comics isn't bad, wrong, or cringy you need to be a good writer.
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There's also Bia. It used to be that Marvel was the one pushing weirdly cringy political writing but now it's DC after they hired the same writers over at Marvel I think.
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This is from 2015 I think, I remember the shitstorm it caused
Ah yes, I completely forgot about the mpreg and forced in children OC that is getting more common with every day. Again I do not understand why anybody would want homo stuff only to turn it into borderline het. And the TF universe in particular has so fucking many characters and roles and potential, it's like a giant sandbox and the majority of fans ignore all of this to trans-ify the same five characters and write a dime novel with family twist of this.
Not just TF related, but I noticed that the fan content I love is almost always made by Chinese fans, Russians, Japanese and to some degree Koreans. There are of course exceptions, but it's very obvious that most of the bullshit head-canoning, OC forcing and feminizations come from western fans, whereas the rest gets inspired by the canon content and makes some epic drawings out of it. It's the same with manga and such. The cool art is always coming from Asia or Russia, the tumblr-forced shit is western. Makes me often wonder if western fans are even reading the manga/comics they are fan of.
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Agree, picrel is exhibit A.
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I forgot what this ngame is called but yeah this was similar to the BL trap manga situation above
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A MtF and the picrew they posted
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do not watch this. only 3% funny and gives gay people a bad name
It 13 sentinels aegis rim. I haven't played it yet, but according to people who played this game in Japanese before it got translated the two guys become a canon gay couple at some point.
It's funny how American localizers don't give a shit and think they're doing something good when adding gender references in contexts where the characters are normal gay, lesbian or bi characters. I swear if The Rose of Versailles were a recent series and just got its first American localization now the American "translators" would try to insert their bullshit into it.
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This is a great example of why wokeism is ultimately just based on repackaged regressive stereotypes, so there was this minor character in a fighting game called Tekken, they were originally presented as a masculine female but were localized as being male, however in the last 5 years or so, gender wokies have started hc them as being non-binary and now even the english localizers have started leaning into that
So she's originally a woman who doesn't like being seen as feminine?
That "X is X" kind of statement gives me a fucking headache every time I see it.
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tbf with Testament its really hard to tell(he's literally draw a girl and call it a guy category) while Leo looks like this, Leo is supposed to be a girl but is intentionally androgynous.
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Very funny that out of all existing characters you chose to post him, because he is my favorite.
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This is petty but I've been playing The Outer Worlds and I'm irritated by this character who only ever shows interest in women also being asexual representation. It just feels of uwu ace transbian fanservice and it's so annoying. Of course the presumably lesbian character doesn't actually have sex with women, heavens no!
Extra annoying that they had to frame sexual incompatibility as meaning her partners don't "like her for who she is" because this culture is obsessed with coercing people into either sex they don't want or sexless relationships they're not happy in by way of guilt.
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Yeah it's getting more and more prominent. Japanese games had their gay characters censored before because "it's not marketable, it's disgusting, it's creepy, it makes no sense that this male character would be this devoted to this other male character", now they're censored or changed because "they're not perfect cinnamon rolls and are too problematic
(aka, they're well-written and three dimensional characters), they're too GNC so they must be the opposite gender". It's bullshit. Pic related, one of the localizers is talking about a gay character by saying "it's a little creepy". With western games, series, cartoons, etc. they're doing this directly in the script so the issue is different.
I swear this should be forbidden by law. It's literally not a translation so as a customer you pay them for a service they haven't done and you aren't even informed about this.
For fuck's sake. If I pay for a game or book I want to read this ACTUAL game/book, not some fantasy story the English localizer came up with. They should write their own books if they want that published.
yup. in spite of there being more "diversity" the characters wind up very same-y. this might be a bad writing problem, I don't know.
I was listening to rob mcelhenney (Mac on it's always sunny) talk about his show Mythic Quest and he was complaining that when they want to hire writers that are gay/black/whatever for the show (because it has a lot of minority characters) it's annoying that you can't ask them if they're [xyz minority] because it's literally illegal lol and that made it harder for him to get the authentic perspectives he wanted in the writing room. it was kind of a weird tangent he was on though, part of me started to think he was just collecting minorities like pokemon to so they would lend credibility to his show (mythic quest is sometimes funny & sometimes very cringe, it did not nail the woke/authentic balance in my opinion)
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Late but I had already watched this and for the most part it was incredibly boring and unfunny. I had never heard of Marsha Warfield though and found her hilarious. I kind of want to look up more with her bc she didn’t bring up any gender shit and had a good stage presence. Sorry if I should know more of who she is, I don’t watch a ton of standup so I didn’t know like half the cast.
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Well the comics aren't selling that well because the writers either antagonize the main buyers or just flat out do not write good stories. Also it's really hard to get into comics in the first place "oh where do I start?? There are 10 different Batman #1s???" so I don't blame anyone for not getting into it.
It's been very weird to see unfold over the past few years. I think the fans that are more likely to buy comics will just consoom anything even if they're going to through a fit about it over on /co/ and talk about #comicgate. I highly doubt the hyper woke fans DC and Marvel are trying to appeal to actually care that much about the comics, I honestly don't get the impression that they even read comics in the first place since everything they say is just tumblr's weird interpretation of the comics.
I'm in a fandom that's strange: the game itself is very popular and actually the highest grossing game in that franchise, but the fandom for characters in it are relatively niche. I won't say what it is because of that fact, but some of you might be able to guess from the few clues alone.
Anyway, there's an androgynous character who, depending on the translation, is a they/them (in the original) or female (in other languages). The original design was intended to be left up to the viewer. You could argue that they're not the current QT+ "enby" but the classic androgynous trope. I don't mind this because that kind of androgyny isn't anything new and actually plays well against their foil who is a hyper macho dude who wouldn't look out of place in a gay bathhouse. He's actually popular with bara artists.
However, I find it weird that the series has one canon character that can cater to the troons/enbies (and isn't cringe because it's 0.0001% of their personality), but the fandom still insists on trying to trans every other character to the point of being almost invasive about it. No one can simply be a tomboy or a pretty boy. They all have to fit into the gender trender box to the fandom. I've seen where people will list out their headcanons of what kind of trans every character insistently is, and keep the androgynous character an enby. If you wrote the enby as male or female, you'd get met with as much hostility as you would when the scrotes flip out and insist the enby is female (which is honestly a fun troll tactic).
This is one of those things that wouldn't bother me if that part of the fandom were more watered down, but it dominates the little space we have. There's already a hostility towards heterosexual ships since they get auto-deemed as toxic for being het. Not that I can blame them; het in fiction has a horrible reputation, but it doesn't have to be that way in fandom and the series handles strong female characters very well. If anything, the men in the series usually exist to prop up the women's stories.
It's all so tiring.
Last time I posted it, some mod purged all of my shit and banned me. Dunno why, probably hit a nerve.
Anyway, you're right. I've been suffering in silence. It's Pokemon GO.
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KEK at the people talking about the introductions with pronouns in the new monster high movie. I want someone, anyone, to tell me how the fuck do you make the pronouns shit look and sound normal.
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"Inclusive Beauty" nuff said
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>>187834>why do they need to turn it woke?
Don't you see, idiot?
Nowadays woke retards, the lefty twitter horde, or whatever you want to call them are a much more profitable consumer audience than a bunch of neckbeards in their mom's basements. Not only they are a bigger audience, they are more fanatic and much less critic, basically the perfect consumers since they act like a cult that defends the product without payment.
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I hate how every time someone makes that coment, I know exactly which character you are talking about. It's most likely a coincidence though, it's not a particulary complex design. It's a little funny how Shad's character is a crossdresser and the Webtoon one is a troon
Dude don't fall for the bullshit. Leo is a woman and will always be one. Do people not understand the difference between sex and "gender"? It's funny how these troons and "nbs" bitch about how we don't understand the difference between the two when it's clear that they are the tards who clearly don't. Men and women are not "gender" FFS, they are states of sex, it's literally in their definition.
In Leo's case, it doesn't matter if Harada changed her "gender" to "neutral", all that means is that she prefers to not look one way or the other even though she clearly prefers looking masculine since not even in her customization items do you ever see her wearing a dress or skirt.
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can a black person give me their opinion on what they think of this kind of casting?
do these kinds of "diversity" casting choices genuinely make an important impact on sense of self etc.? or does it feel more like, surface level attempt to address actual problems facing the black community.
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I'm black and also love The Little Mermaid, and honestly I don't see what the big deal with this casting is. Ariel's race isn't at all important to her story considering she's not even human. Yeah some shows do the diversity thing for media buzz and controversy, but I think the problem with this particular movie is people seeing a black woman playing her and automatically assuming she had to be cast because she's black, rather than considering that maybe she got cast because she's a great singer and looks fish-like don't know how to say that without sounding insulting. I genuinely think she's pretty though
. I actually saw some anons say they didn't even watch the trailer, so I don't think they even thought about that at all. Ariel being light/white in the original doesn't really matter because it's ok to change things when you're making a remake. The animated film is nothing like the original story. It's also not as if this is the first time a black woman has played a princess. I basically don't really believe this is diversity casting though.>casting choices genuinely make an important impact on sense of self
I do think there are young black girls who would enjoy this movie and seeing Halle in this role.>does it feel more like, surface level attempt to address actual problems facing the black community.
I don't feel like every movie with a black character needs to address problems in the black community. I actually think there should be less of that and more fun, lighthearted movies with black characters.
Also because I've seen the "why not just make a brand new movie with a black princess" thing around, it seems like Disney is already doing that. Picrel was from the same event they released the The Little Mermaid trailer at. If they will make the princess the same race as the voice actress then it seems like she will be black or a black latina. Anyway, sorry if this didn't really answer your question. I haven't really been posting about this and I just kind of put all my thoughts here.
>>238610>It's understandable they found it creepy
Sure, they obviously are allowed to form their own opinion on the story
>and wanted to remove possible romance undertones to just change it into a fucked up father/son relationship.
No, that shouldn't be their jobs. You're expecting too much from people who said in the same interviews that they changed NPC names to names of their own personal friends because "it's funny xD", and if I want to experience a story I'd rather see the original thing properly translated even if it's disturbing or uncomfortable than some random amerifat's fanfiction. Sometimes, changing something small and a little disturbing like that in a story can completely change the characters and the story as a whole. Localizer for FE Fates ruined a lot of the story just because they thought Xander obeying his father and killing people as part of his job as a result was problematic
and not heroic enough. They made him so OOC that the entire story makes little sense if you don't play it in English. Just by removing and adding a few lines.
And when I keep seeing perfectly normal, vanilla gay relationships or even just implications being changed or removed with the exact same reasoning on a semi regular basis I don't give anyone the benefit of doubt. You also should keep in mind that many American localizers have no reading comprehension whatsoever despite "speaking" several languages so they sometimes think they should be allowed to change offensive dialogs that only offend them and nobody else. I saw one posting online about how she likes to removes lines in scene where young Japanese women joke baout not being able to get married anymore because of some comedic misunderstanding, despite girls all over the world joking exactly like this. She finds this sort of lines extremely sexist.
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If that's Cagliostro (blond small loli girl) he's a literal AGP. Old scientist who gave himself a new body and plays up all sexist stereotypes how girls should be cute and dainty.
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The chinese are working on making her white again by just applying their filters. https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/24477
They should have stuck to the source material/animation appearance anyways. Do you think they will make the merch dolls and stuffed toys black too?
Tangentially related- I find it very funny how altright bros sperg that all anime characters are white because of the way they're colored and also how woke idiots close an eye on all "european" anime characters being blonde fuckdolls who talk like retards.
Like there is this seiyuu, Sumire Uesaka who MAJORED IN RUSSIAN, but when vocing Russian characters she is instructed to speak broken language like a toddler because it's "cute".
i disagree. ever since i was a child i thought it was so cute and catlike i wanted mine to be like that too and got mad that its not possible when i looked it up kek
i was so shocked when people were making fun of that anya taylor joy girl because i always thought it was the height of beauty
NTA but Ariel is a mermaid and mermaids are a fantasy race, of course it doesn't matter in that case; in the movie that anon posted it matters because it's set in a specific culture or the culture is based on a real-life one. Unless you adapted the story for a different culture.>>238629
NAYRT but afaik he doesn't want a female body only because he wants to respect the body he was given by his parents or whatever, but he still wishes he had been born as a woman.
The little mermaid is a danish fairytale. I guess the culture it comes from doesn't matter if it's white peoples culture?
There are more than enough stories from black culture that Disney could make movies about, they have even done a few. Blackwashing a story that already exists from a white culture is retarded and would never fly the other way around.
Ayrt, yes it would be important if her race is important to the story. The same way Thor being white is important because he's a Norwegian god (Well, iirc he is. I would assume they take elements of Norwegian culture for his character.) and Black Panther being black is important because the entire world of Wakanda is based off of Africa and African culture. Ariel is just a mermaid in the sea. I love that you only quoted half of what I said, as if I didn't explain that in the same sentence you green-texted. >>238763
Halle isn't even African.
You mean Norse, nonny
. But yes, you're right.>>238769
Because they're not real, retard. They're fish people, you can do whatever you want with their skin color and it wouldn't have any impact on the story. It's not like merpeople are descended from the ancestors of Danish people. If you don't understand something this simple you're either a genuine retard or a troll, so fuck off.
well to be honest as soon as she stops being a mermaid and is made into a human living in the castle of prince Eric, it kind of culturally matters again. Ariel and Ursula both turn into white women (and depending on the time period it would have been pretty much impossible for a white prince to marry a POC
. I mean if I remember it correctly they even needed to point out in the kids movie that when they found Ariel that she is a noble, which makes it possible for her to stay in the castle and for her to go out on dates/marry a prince, so it seems to be based on the real world history). Also, turning her into a black character and having her do these Ariel scenes (where she is too "uncultured" to use a fork etc.) is not the best idea considering either racists or the woke will somehow make an argument out of it that she (a POC
) is portraited in the movie like an animal, who needs to learn how to be "civilised". Idk, it just does not seem to be the best idea to do it. I actually don't get why they did not film the princess and the frog first because then you would have a POC
being the main role. Or even filming the animated series with the latin (?) princess first (idk, I am not keeping up with Disney anymore) or make an orginal story. Ariel will probably not do that well in Asia and will turn barley any new people in because most people would have watched it anyway (rather it will turn some people off that she does not look like the animation. Like I remember the hate Shadowhunter got because Clary's hair was not a dark red and showed her "only" as a ginger kek. Most people are obsessed with something being portrait 100% like the original). Most people turn in for the story and how it compares to the movies (like look at how Mulan flopped, even in Asia because it was not good and most people rather want the live action movied to be very similar to the movie they watched as a child. It only worked well for them if the movie is close to the original in terms of story line and looks like the beauty and the beast or if the main person changes and through this the POV and whole story changes a lot like in Maleficent). I would have not watched the movie anyway because I am not going to watch the same movie with the story line twice just because it has real people in it and I honestly don't care that much for Disney. But I would have probably been up to watch an orginal myth (folklore) etc. from Africa because they rarely get teached about and it is not as overtold as Ariel is (btw, sorry but I think the tail looks really ugly in the trailer, I would have expected a better quality one)
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Ignore the stupid meme got it off google
this is stupid because gingers are already insanely overrepresented in fiction. probably at least 20% of all main characters/love interests have red hair in any type of media (esp animation, comics and literature) despite being less than 1% of the world population
they're favored in casting too. there's been like 5 upcoming actresses in major franchises in recent years who have natural red hair. gingers are not being pushed out, they could racebend 90% of redhaired characters and they'd still be overrepresented
I just dislike how it's always American-centric based representation, this weird notion to turn groups of people into monoliths , no you aren't French, German, Russian, British you're white, no you aren't Japanese, Korean, Chinese you're Asian.
it just feels like this woke version of tokenization in films and tv, like changing a characters skintone matters more than anything about the actual character.
I wonder if there's a term for it, like how a lot of Whatever-Americans may have shared ethnicity but not nationality or culturally for other countries but still act as though they have a position of authority on the topic and then lose it when someone with a different ethnicity was raised in that culture.
Like black irish people or white african people being complained about by irish americans or african americans.
Like some sort of American cultural imperialism with everything shifted through an american lense and american sensibility and world views and cultural views.
I don't want to see a fantasy series inspired by a specific European country and it's own culture reduced to 'white people country make americans uncomfy add some black people but don't add hispanics, latinos, native americans or god forbid the countries own actual ethnicity ' yay diversity.
It's all so ultimately hollow, like okay we've used up this IP make it with a ethnic person for some goodboy points.
then it all just gets reduced to a dumbed down ' just say you hate x people ' 'the skintone doesnt matter' ' no one said x couldnt be y'
it's just so American white centric that they project their own worldview as being the true one and they are correcting not changing (but we won't make african based stories because our american audience won't actually watch it hehe).
At least I still have my K-dramas.
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You have to realise that Americans, be they [current day] woke or ye olde settlers, are extremelly WASPy. The only true huwhites are the Anglos, period. The rest get lumped in them when they want someone else to share the blame, but by and large they don't see South Europe as huwhite. Therefore they pretend that any kind of mix fits there. You see it everywhere>he's half mexican, he could pass as Italian or sami
or anything of that effect. They have no concept of the real world. There's just them, the true huwhites, and then there's a sea of brown so fuck it, who cares, grab a Thai or an Amerimutt to play a Persian or a Portugese, who gives a shit? Nothing changed. It's just that now they've so internalised the "white man's burden" that they literally cannot understand that they're acting in the same way. The same Anglos that looted the world (arguments could legitimately be made that they preserved pieces from certain countries while if they remained there they could've been destroyed) are still in power. They've just now changed their PR.
Did everybody reeeeing about muh black princess muh danish legacy forget that a lot of the music in Disney's version had a lot of Caribbean influence? >>239250>gingers are insanely overrepresent
This. I think the real reason that gingers get race swapped is because there is an unrealistic amount of them in franchises and companies that don't want to make original black characters take some of the spare ginger ones.
I complained about the exact same shit a week ago. It drives me mad and I hate how it's particularly the woke people that erase cultures and ethnicity to americanise everybody to categorize them into white, asian and black.
Plus points when it's people from super homogenous white american towns that never even heard a different language during their lifetime but pretend to be irish or ethiopian because 3% of their genes stem from there.
I am honestly offended when someone acts as if a Russian, an Italian, a Scott and a Bosnian person are all the same "race" and basically same country because these people wouldn't be able to tell them apart from each other anyway. At the same time though they will get mad if you consider some US states the same because they swear they all have vastly different cultures.
What makes it worse is that it totally ignores war related scars and racism among "white" cultures. I guess anti-Polish racism (which is quite common in my country) doesn't exist because we are basically all the same country, yeah.
I think it's not just lack of creativity but the shitty marketing scheme modern companies have. All must be a brand, maximum success with minimum effort. They rather attract people that watched one successful movie with a sequel or remake of said movie instead of daring to make a new one that might fail or not.
In the end the stupid people are to blame that pay for everything as long as it's related to some shit they liked as a kid even if it's the exact same movie again and again or the 90ths sequel or crossover of some superhero stuff.
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will this cycle of cheap sequels, rehashes, reboots and prequels ever end?
I'm so tired of it. Pic rel is another perfect example of the madness, funnily also with its own "woke controversy" casting. lol
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I saw this shared on my feed. I know they are trying to make a statement and all but did they had to show it leaking.
Maybe I'm reading a little too much into it but I wonder why tattoos and piercings are so prevalent.
The majority of them are covered, maybe it's just a trend they are following or something else.
nonnas i seriously dont understand what compels a woman to mutilate their bodies like this.
i just do not get it and i don't think i ever will.
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I'm not only really ticked off by race or gender changes of a character, but like the race change that ACTUALLY ticks me off the most is Turok by Chuck Wendig who turned one of the only Native American heroes into a black dude.
When you realize it's American-centric diversity it makes far more sense.
You'd swear all British shows forget about Indian and Asian demographics and only have Black representation with token other elsewhere.
My problem with racebending is that to me it's just changing the skin (literally) of an US character. It's like they want to be woke and diverse but just turn a typical american into another typical american but darker. I rarely see actual changes, like choosing a Bosnian or Persian as main character. No it's just another average US Joe I cannot relate to anyway. >>242011
Yeah that's probably it. It's weird as hell for someone that lives in a real multicultural place. Emphasis on cultural, it's not just the colors here people of all countries and cultures live here and talk in their mother's tongue outside. My generic subway drive to the office is more diverse than any tryhard US movie and unlike them it feels natural.
This is a retarded take. Reminds me of the way people try to deflect criticism of series like Game of Thrones. "It's a fantasy series with [insert fantasy creatures], so what does it matter if it's a faithful adaptation/was made with passion/is well-plotted/has consistent characterisation etc".
Saying that genre media isn't beholden to standards of quality is just an insult. Genre fiction isn't a lower-tier art form. We expect adaptations of genre fiction to be faithful.
I ask why the character's race was changed? If it doesn't matter, then why change it? Personally I think there is a mandate at Disney to eliminate as many white roles as possible, because white people are bad and we can't see too many of them at once.
I consider this racism, so I won't watch the film.
Another example: that recent Resident Evil adaptation on Netflix (cancelled, predictably). They turned Albert Wesker black. Can't see any reason to do this except for the creators hate white people, and of course they tried to cloak criticism as, "well it's a sci-fi zombie show, what does it matter?" Yeah, nah. Didn't work, won't work now.
They're "overrepresented" because red hair is distinctive and usually good visual shorthand for connoting heroic/attractive. Lots and lots of European/Celtic myths have redhead heroes (probably why Ariel herself was a redhead).
On the other hand though, I suppose your perspective tracks with the anti-woke sentiment here. Gay + Trans people are also way overrepresented too relative to their population size. We should eliminate their roles in media and give them to straight people. I also think black people may be overrepresented in western media too - you know what to do.
Honestly this is disgusting to me. It reminds me of the recent business where at a Chilean public event to talk about their proposed new constitution, a transwoman pulled the Chilean flag out of their ass. Of course their political demands were not met. All you need to do to peak against trans dogma is see/hear what they do for yourself.
Fat, ugly, covered in tattoos and piercings, and bleeding right through their underwear. Is this supposed to make me sympathise? Jesus christ
Because its a kid friendly movie, they arent gonna have her die of a broken heart or turn into bubbles.
Like why didnt the ugly sisters in Cinderella cut off their feet to fit the shoes to be more lore accurate
Or the hunchback lose and crawl away to die ontop of a grave.
Its raceswapped because its an weak cultural trend, its just blackspoltation but repackaged thats the sad truth.
It will age badly like all the direct to video disney films
Because in that case the source was not important, it was not a childhood classic with international fame known by nearly every person on earth.
The issue is not even that they're not following the source, it's that they'r making unnecessary and unwanted changes to a movie whose whole selling point is nostalgia shit. I'm also not American so I don't give a fuck about your "black representation". If I'm watching an adaptation of a nostalgic film, I would want it to be like the original.
someone mentioned this in another thread, but the 2019 version of black charismas, first off it has nothing to do with the original Black Christmas, its like a 2016 tumblr fan-fiction, I've seen some dumb slasher films but this was not only idiotic but completely misguided and makes me want to tear my hair out, In this film we get a bunch of fraternity douche bags dressing up in Eyes Wide Shut masks to terrorize a bunch of college girls by using the supernatural power of the statue of a dead straight white man(I'm not making this up) in what I'm assuming was an attempt at making a woman empowerment slasher film, The writing was shoddy and the production was rushed. Kris(the mixed black girl) was by far one of the most unlikeable characters I’ve seen in film in a long time, which is especially bad because she wasn’t supposed to be. She came off as insensitive and seemed to view Riley as a prop she could use to make her point. The political/social justice tropes were intentionally in your face, obvious, and got annoying really fast, also if you want to have powerful woman in your film, make them powerful! Don’t spend 3/4 of the movie with your female characters being completely vulnerable and incapable of defending themselves, just to turn around and suddenly have a “girl boss” moment at the last second
side note what is it with with liberal white women writing black female characters as hyper woke super activists who are constantly ready to pick a fight with white straight white men, this is the third time I have seen this
Yeah this annoys me too. I cannot remember any movie with Polish MC either and they are even white.
My own country does actually represent the minority we have in our country, but sadly we don't make many good series and movies lol.
People do complain about Disney-fication of adaptations. For example, Bambi is totally different to Bambi of the Forest (original book) and as I understand it many in the hunting community dislike how that one single movie altered public perception of deer hunting.
So as far as faithful adaptations go, yes, there are complaints when people take liberties, even in the name of making a film kid/family friendly/palatable to whatever audience.
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what the fuck is this shit
In this very thread apparently. Sadly it's the only place I even hear about these things because I don't use Twitter.>>242099
No one claimed that? If mermaid culture wasn't explicitly meant to be European/Danish human culture why is it such a big problem to cast a black actress as one? Damn you racespergs are dense as shit.
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Scripted by monkeys with typewriters
is it really though? mentally ill men dressing up as women (their perceived idea of women) because they're perverts. there's no difference, one is just "accepted" now as valid
I think there is a difference, otherwise we are going to believe blackface makes someone black eventually.
One is basically just a costume the other is some sort of autistic delusion mixed with fetish cope.>>244133
Why is it that woman must always be welcoming and supportive even to the extent they become exploited, do we need to have a cis woman only view or is even that considered terf
to acknowledge some issues affect only women.
actually I think it makes more sense than the "black
woman stands up for the poow oppwessed twans wimmin against the evil huwyte cis Karen terves" trope that I've seen many times before. In real life upper middle class white American women are the most likely to cape for trannies.
Also has an air of that white guilt feeling a lot of white americans have, like apologizing for being white or living on stolen land statements but doing nothing to help the actual groups exploited.
Just like saying thoughts and prayers but a woke empty corporate version and pushing those views on europeans that share the same skintone so guilty of the same crimes by extension
That blonde girl is such a bad actress in just 1 second of screentime, she sounded like a twitter bot. She crossed that line where it's so absurd it can't get worse than that, she could have said "oof
and yikes, this problematic
behavior is toxic
and not pogger! do better!" it would have been equally ridiculous. No but seriously, the black terf
is acting like a normal, educated adult and we're supposed to side with the girls who are talking shit behind her back and acting like she committed a murder in front of them, all while contributing to a toxic
work environment which is way more discriminatory than saying that girls and women are the only humans who have periods. How privileged are the writers?
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Does anyone else just hate these anglo period dramas that shoehorn in POC characters???? it's like, pure revisionism. things like Sandition and Bridgerton, or even this Anne Boleyn show. Why do they keep making them? and the media praises it as a diversity "win" for poc.
but it's like, is the west so creatively bankrupt they cannot make media for poc without injecting them into time periods and settings where they absolutely did not exist?
it's just disrespectful to history, leading to misrepresentation of these periods. most audiences will take these representations at face value and genuinely believe they are true. –same with the new Marilyn Monroe movie on Netflix, or The Crown. Even if these stories are completely fictional people WILL believe them to be actual history 1:1.
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I can't fucking stand any history-based media which starts bullshiting about the history just to appeal to tumblr woke crowd. I remember I watched some hbo (?) Tv show about spanish Princess and it felt like watching a "marketed feminism" fiction where everything was a complete bs. The Catherine is even worse. Shitty budget to a point they hide half of the background in the dark, and you can see that they dont give a shit about historical references from episode one. I was so angry at this show i barely watched 2 episodes of it.
It's one thing to have colourblind casting for fictional characters but why the fuck would you racebend an actual historical person that really existed? fucking clown shit
(i blame lin manuel miranda)
that woman is incredibly based and sounded more normal than the other women. like for real who the hell talks like this at work?>unfortunately some women believe that trans and non-binary people should be excluded from things they consider to be only for women
though I watched some of this girl's videos on tiktok and in the second part the GC woman fucks up and starts to lecture the TRA on how fake corporate tranny pandering is, which, honestly, no gender critical person who's aware of how dangerous it is to express your views on gender in a pro-tranny environment is, would do such a thing out of a sense of self-preservation.>oh no… yikes, this girl…
that's exactly how most people react when there's gender bullshit forced onto us on TV. We all roll our eyes at this shit.
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can't have a cute little toy without it coming with pronouns
No, you are the dense one. Read that comment again and what it is responding to. Original comment said, "everyone upset about the race-bending doesn't get that it has Carribean music in it!" To which the response is - well so what? The character of Ariel as presented in the animated movie was white. The music doesn't change this.
Why is Ariel black in this adaptation? No one can give a straight answer to the question. Just admit it, they changed her race because you're not allowed to have an all-white cast anymore because white people = bad.
If this was an original movie with a new character, I wouldn't care. There was a black mermaid in the TV show. Make a movie about her, why not? I'm not bothered by black people, only anti-white sentiment which is what I believe is at root of this casting choice.
Maybe you've convinced me, but at the same time I would bet money that your sentiment does not extend to stuff like Gods of Egypt, which got reamed from all corners for having white actors. But was clearly a fantasy/sci-fi setting with no relation to the actual country, to the point that the world is shown as being a flat disc.
If Bridgerton, an anachronistic hodge-podge of European culture/costumes/motifs, can have a multi-ethnic cast, then productions like Gods of Egypt should also be okay since that is also about aesthetics rather than serious mythological depiction.
this>>245375>you're not allowed to have an all-white cast anymore because white people = bad.
know that they're casting black actors because it's what's hip and trendy with young people these days, and also to seem woke and progressive to have a favorable public image, and not just because the actress is a good singer. They're marketing their products to a woke audience, there's no "anti-white" agenda behind it, just a "pro-profits" one. But your endless (literally - it's been more than three weeks) sperging about this and the specific wording you use (such as "you're not allowed to have an all-white cast anymore!") makes you sound less like you're just pointing that out, and more like you're a racist autist seething because seeing non-white people in the media you consume makes you genuinely upset. Shut the fuck up already you retard. It's the usual thing they do, but for some fucking reason you decided to fixate on this
specific casting choice that isn't even that objectionable - as opposed to, say, a historical figure that existed in real life, like >>244816
, in this case it's just a mermaid, whose culture and species is obviously not the same as that of the humans featured in the story, meaning mermaids don't necessarily have to be "white" like humans are, nor are they "Danish" like humans, so being hers a fantasy species grants artistic license regarding the skin color of this character. Yes, we all hate it when Disney live action remakes change designs for no justifiable reason, but a fucking mermaid changed from pale to dark-skinned isn't the end of the world. In fact, that's probably why they decided to cast a black actress as Ariel and not as some human princess that was white originally.
The Brandy Cinderella is based off a broadway musical. Musicals are different, it's normal for actors of all races to play roles because of the nature of rotating casts. I like that movie, btw.>>245393
As you yourself say, the trend is Black people = hip and cool, white people = bad and unprofitable. I consider this trend disheartening and racist. Sorry you are mad I've participated over the past few weeks. Maybe you should stop engaging with my posts if you don't want me to respond?>>245413
None, I'm not from USA and I don't like Trump.>>245415
I don't mind the plot. Just the reasons behind the recasting. It's the same as with the Ghost in the Shell adaptation. The plot was competent but the casting was controversial.
I know it's to pander or whatever, but this doesn't even make sense because it's not human>>244133
The dialogue from everyone is so painfully unrealistic. I don't think it's even the actor's fault, it's the script.
Aren't you contradicting yourself? If the trend is that white people are bad and unprofitable, why did they cast a white woman as Motoko in the Ghost In The Shell adaption? Why do most Hollywood movies have white leads and primarily white casts?
Most Japanese people living in Japan also didn't rage about the GITS casting, by the way
No, no contradiction. Because for Ghost in the Shell, the executive thinking was that casting a Japanese lead would be unprofitable. A white lead was considered to be more appealing. This sentiment = racism. Today, we see the same sentiment playing out but with different groups. >>245457
This could apply to any forum on the internet. The matter of triviality is subjective. People take interest in different things.
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I have to see this shit in game descriptions now, too?
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>>245562>If we didn’t already have the perfect (english) voice for Ariel
Yes, Disney should just have cast a 60yo woman for their millionaire budget cash grab, I'm not being spiteful, imagine how awesome it'd be, imagine all the delicious moid seething, even greater than the one caused by a black woman.
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I hear apex legend added a tranny character lmao ofc he gotta say how hard transitioning is for him in the short
I'd unironically love an old lady mermaid, let old women feel cute too>>248594
They always add mtfs and then have them explain to a real woman in a heart-to-heart how hard being trans is. Then later they have a scene where the mtf "out-womans" the real woman in some way, like he wears a girly dress and the real woman is in tomboy clothes, or he gives her a tampon bc she forgot to bring it, or he does something domestic like cleaning or cooking better than her etc
I wish people who think that "whitewashing" is bad but "blackwashing" is good would just be honest. Like, just say it. The whole "she's half fish lmaooo who cares" thing is embarrassing because everybody knows damn well that if a Chinese or African tale was made into a movie in this day and age, casting a European lead actress just because the character isn't a regular human (how surprising in old tales!!) wouldn't fly and it would indeed be quite stupid.>>248937
Good idea. The great peakening. Dylan is already on it with his recent appearance on Ulta's podcast!
Tbh I don't even give a fuck about races but please just stick to the SOURCE MATERIAL. It's there for a reason, you're basing yourself on it, and it's what the audience likes. So you should follow the goddamn source.
Japanese adaptations of anything get absolutely slandered if they make big changes and don't follow the source, because you're essentially spitting in the fans' faces and thinking that your own ideas are better and should be pushed. This happens so much with American adaptations recently. If the source for the stupid little mermaid are the Disney movies, just follow that ffs. Otherwise no shit people are going to complain.
Well yeah but the point of the original Disney movies is to not follow the source. They're not book to movie adaptations, they're kids movies inspired on some stories. This is not the case with these remakes. The remakes are supposed to be a live-action version of the Disney movies, they try to sell you the original story and characters, but go "look now it's in live action!". And their target audience is not just kids, but clearly also the adults who grew up with those Disney movies.
So yeah in here they're going to sell you a "live action version" yet change some important things and then get mad at you when you complain.
I haven't watched many of these shitty remakes but one I did look forward to was Dumbo and I particularly hated that one because they changed the whole story, yet sold it to me like a "live action version". Kys Disney.
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What I don't understand about this is that they won't give me series where brown leads would make sense that I actually crave.
I would LOVE to see a series taking place in the Ottoman Empire of 1500, be it today's Turkey or Iraq, or some cool fucking shit about Arabic travelers, explorers and traders that actually factually existed.
Or hell, give my Babylonian shit. They have so much cool shit, cool kings, cool documented battles and a cool culture (they had a BEER GODDESS and priestesses as bar keepers! And Ea-Nasir the scammer!). They also legit mixed with other cultures, so you could even thematise multicultural phenomenons and religions that intermingled.
But NOOOOO, it's the same boring setting every second dime novel has but this time with MCs that are black for some reason.
To me this is only showing that they don't even care about what they pretend to care about. They don't want to research anything they literally just use generic stock stories that were done a thousand times but make the characters black because they think that would change things.
In the end it's the same as with shoved in lesbians and gay men, nobody that actually wants to see it or get some representation cares about these movies because they know it's nothing but a lazy marketing idea.
>>249445>Ea-Nasir the scammer
knowing about the oldest recorded complaint
Babylon, 1750 BC.
Amneris, a priestess in service to Ninkasi, the beer goddess, is charged with delivering copper ingots to Ninkasi's new temple. On her way there, Amneris is waylaid by Black Coda, the infamous thief.
When Black Coda steals the copper, Amneris must team up with the charming con-artist Ea-Nasir on an adventure across the desert to get the copper back and ensure Ninkasi's continued patronage of Babylon!
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Same fag, realised I somehow had a drawing from years ago that would go great with my story pitch. Come on movie producers, call me up
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>>249491>>249493>Amneris must team up with the charming con-artist Ea-Nasir on an adventure across the desert to get the copper back and ensure Ninkasi's continued patronage of Babylon
The way you describe this makes me picture Ea-Nasir as some sort of Babylonian Reigen and I think this is very amusing.
And I love your pic! It looks so good. I once drew a bunch of Babylonian and Assyrian kings but it was just shitty sketches.
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This queerio dating sim that recently released looks like some lilys garden ad.
I don't think BLM has had much influence on Hollywood casting, to be honest. Halle Bailey was set to play Ariel in The Little Mermaid in 2018 IIRC, plus she's also a talented singer who appeals to kids/zoomers. Also, I just Googled "most high paid actresses", and got a bunch of different answers. Charlize Theron was the first, and another result said it was Julia Roberts, and another mentioned Sandra Bullock. Scarlett Johannson also makes 56 million, more than Sofia Vergara's 43 million. In the first place, Vergara is a white-passing natural blonde, and even if you don't think she counts as "white", it really just seems like both she and Dwayne Johnson are exceptions in a large pool of very famous, well-paid, clearly white actors/actresses. It's kind of cherrypicking to use them IMO.
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I don’t even like blobby but way to misinterpret the whole point of the comic. Person who made this is like a 45 year old man and his whole channel is like this
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You assumed correct
For once I actually agree with this comic. Never happened to me though but if you ask for service and pay for this it should be provided.
I don't get how stupid someone has to be to think this was trans propaganda, the character in the story that the story criticizes called it "boyish" (it isn't) and this person either doesn't possess any media literacy or does this on purpose to have an excuse to create a click bait video. Wonder if the audience is stupid enough to fall for it.
Yes, this has happened to me basically every time I got a haircut when I was younger. It's probably less likely now, in a post gender ideology world, but people deliberately feminizing the haircut you picked out used to be the norm, ime.
It's probably because most women DO want to look feminine and would be upset if they thought their hair was too 'masculine'. So the girls/women who want the opposite get shafted lol.
NTA, but I'm Indian and the truth is that my country produces a huge amount of films, I think more than Hollywood. Our film industry is one of the oldest, and becoming more internationally recognised. You can literally watch great action movies like War (go stream this) anytime, guess what, no white people. Same thing with musicals, people went on and on about LaLa Land, we've been doing that for years and better than Americans these days. I just dont get why white americans are expected to cater for everyone, when outside of america basically every country has its own film industry. Go, broaden your minds, watch films from around the globe. You are supporting other industries, too
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I know I'm late but how are TOH fans (and by extension lumity shippers) not horribly insulted by this?
Aren't they like 10 years old? I'm all for more Bisexuals in media but at least wait until they're in the latter part of their teens to show this sort of thing. Straight kids in shows don't parade their sexuality, they may keep it confined to a reoccurring plot point (like Isabella and Phineas) or a one-episode thing.
Though I've always thought that adult Lumity fans are creeps and the staff is weird about it, this isn't surprising.
God, this. They don't even notice that this mindset is still racist, or US-centric, whatever you call it. In their heads they are the only ones making good movies in this world so it's their sole responsibility to represent the rest of the planet when most of them cannot even find the countries they pretend to represent in their movie on a map.
Plus the characters that are in for the woke points are almost always terrible. I mean when they add black people on purpose, not talking about Will Smith as a MC. It's still Americans btw. we are supposed to see them as something special.
They don't write in Ethiopian characters or something, no, just black US citizen. It's still just US-centric no matter how much they try to come off as international, it seems to me like many woke US-Americans don't even have a concept of nations and ethnicities or cultures in the first place. It's all that stupid "race" shit that is just about two skin colors + "Asians".
And yeah, I watched more Indian movies than US ones the last decade. I want new stuff that excites me or makes me laugh, I want to delve into the Nigerian film industry too on day. Russians have many great movies too, the French, even Island has some, Israel, Iran and so on. Nobody needs a lesbian black Wonder Woman, what we need are more subtitles for movies around the world.
I have a problem with it too because they make series for kids with characters who are kids and look even younger than they are but want to do good so they add representation. I appreciate it technically, I am just not a fan of any kind of romance and sexual identity related stuff with kid characters. And shippers will jump onto it to write nsfw fics for it like with all ships.
Why do we get so few adult gays, anyway? It's like how everybody is praising that gundam show for lesbians when they act and look like young school kids to me. And there is some arranged het marriage too. Maybe I am biased though, I can deal with it if they come off as older like in Utena. But I can't stand it when they are moe blobby kids that look like 11 and cartoons in particular make their characters look even younger than anime girls.
That said I am generally not a fan of flags. Can people please just be gay without screaming about being part of the gay community and wave their flags around? I love gays in fiction but I want them to be naturally gay. I know a lot of them and none of them use these flags or talk about the LGBT+ community.
There is no het community either right? Why can't gays have what hets have and just be gay without becoming a member of some special minority group?
Exactly same here. It's weird how it's even mainly women I think. I visited a hairdresser that did this. She probably meant well but I was saying what I wanted and paid for it but didn't get it. I don't want to start an argument though so I just decided to get to someone else next time.
Now two Arabs opened a barber shop in front of my house and they do cut the hair for women as well, tested it because why not and they cut them exactly like I wanted it to be cut and it costed half as much the other hairdresser lol
I know this is a months long post, but I just want to ask:
Why are straight men so fucking obsessed with futa on female? Why do they enjoy giving one of the characters in a f/f relationship a dick so much?
Yeah like >>253524
said. Moids need as much visual stimulation as possible, and that includes massive, overrendered dicks with gallons of cum everywhere to be able to get off
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It's annoying how localizers remove any instance of the word "woman", "girl" or "female". The only people I see complaining about this are scrotes whining about how they can't romance 12 year olds or can't roleplay their coomer lesbian fantasies. I'm more concerned with the implication that woman is a bad word. But localizers also rewrite instances of male characters talking down to female characters. Idk. What do nonnies think
I don't play new jrpgs so I have never encountered a game that removed any mentions of the word woman. It's really messed up wtf. Is the person in the tweet a professional translater and speaking from experience?>localizers also rewrite instances of male characters talking down to female characters. Idk. What do nonnies think
as a translater you're job is to translate not to add your personal opinion. Even if I strongly dislike when male writers make their male characters sexist it should still be left in. Then if people have complains about it they should take it to the original writers not the translators. Male characters speaking down to women is also a bit more nuanced. Personally I don't mind when sexism exist in a fantasy setting(but I know several women who do and I understand why) as long as it's treated as a bad thing. The only instance I can think of where I thougt removing bigotry in a dub/localisation was a good idea was in Winx. There is a scene where a character calls herself ugly for having an afro which was changed in the US dub. Since it's a kids show and kids are stupid and repeat what they see on TV, and girls with afro textured hair will be hurt when they see it, it was for the better to remove it. Most jrpgs are targeted an older audience though so the publishers should trust that the player will not be influenced by the characters. That is to say I still think that writers should be called out for their sexism and racism(and women are 100% allowed to avoid games with too much sexism) but it shouldn't be removed from their work
I don't mind shows like Bridgerton having colorblind casting, as it's a stylized setting, with fictional characters in a world where black people could have held the same standing in aristocracy as white people.
But it doesn't sit right with me to change the race of a real woman, who actually lived and existed in history and met a tragic end. There's literally no reason to do that and I have no idea what the thought process was behind that, other than to stir up drama.
Old post but>Bunch of white passive aggressive libfems + an Asian pickme group up to talk shit behind a black woman's back because she won't cuddle other people's feefees and she's upfront about her GC views.
Oddly realistic ngl lmao I've seen stuff like this happen irl, obviously not like this with this sort of dialogue of course but white libfems are nasty and racist as fuck behind their façade of niceness and they can get really awful towards other women who don't think like they do.
I wonder what kind of messages were the writers even trying to send. Are they trying to paint the BLACK WOMAN as an evil bigot? Painful lack of self awareness if thats the case lol
Same, I'm embarrassed by people complaining about black Ariel because even though we all know it's just Disney being woke and virtue signaling it's still whatever. We have a ton of white interpretations of the Little Mermaid already. Might as well make a big budget black one too, if it helps some little black girls to feel seen for it then that's great. The "Africa has a ton of tales to tell too" is a valid
take but these movies are directed towards PoC
girls who grew up in an eurocentric culture surrounded by European tales, they're not African and they should feel at home in the country where they (and most likely their parents and grandparents) are born and raised in.
People are upset because it’s supposed to be a remake of the movie they watched as children. Radically changing the design of the main character of your movie thats only selling point is nostalgia-baiting isn’t smart. If this were an entirely new movie based on the tale of The Little Mermaid but with a black main character, instead of a remake of a specific film then it wouldn’t have created this much controversy. There have been movies with black Cinderellas, but they were well received because they weren’t just rehashes of the Disney version from the 1950s.
Disney didn’t change Ariels’ race out of some desire to give young black girls representation, they did it as a PR move, because they realised that there was very little buzz around Disney remakes as the novelty wore off a long time ago for most people. This was just the easiest way to drum up some attention for their latest movie, even if that attention is negative.
It is true that most people focus on the race-bending and ignore all the other flaws of the movie, (or at least what we can see from the trailers): the lacklustre environments, the dull colour scheme, the subpar singing, the fact that it’s going to be mostly CGI. A very unappealing looking movie all around.
Ultimately this movie is doomed to the same fate as all the other ‘live-action’ Disney re-makes: To make money and generate buzz in the short term, but to be completely and utterly forgotten in the long term. And no amount of pandering will change that. Also I think it’s funny that people in this thread will get up in arms about every other kind of woke garbage, but race-bending is the one that you can’t ever criticise because ‘think of the poor children!!’
Nonna, you literally said in your post:>we all know it's just Disney being woke and virtue signaling
And that autist proceeded to strawman the fuck out of you, attacking a bunch of arguments you never made, completely ignoring that you literally said the same thing as her about Disney not doing it for little girls to feel represente. I and other anons agree with you that it's not a big deal even though we all know it was done for woke points but it happens to be inoffensive in this particular instance, all the other live action Disney adaptations are equally soulless cash-grabs that no one likes, so who cares that they made Ariel dark-skinned in this movie? We have tried to explain in many ways why there's nothing particularly offensive about this change but that retard cannot be reasoned with, she just won't let it go literal MONTHS after the topic was originally brought up.
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It's 2023 and Disney makes shows like The Proud Family. This shit will make history books, and not in a positive way.
Jeez, I remembered watching and finding The Pround Family enjoyable back before 2010 but this one? What the hell was Disney thinking for putting anti-white propaganda on this lovable kids cartoon? It looks out of place and really bad. Rebooting and bringing back older series/media is a mistake especially during woke times like this.>>285802
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Who tf asked for this? Who was this for?
>>285714> she just won't let it go literal MONTHS after the topic was originally brought up.
I’m not the one that brought the subject up again >>285476
Did, replying to a post from 5 months ago. Don’t bring a topic back up and then cry when people want to discuss it. >>285822
She’s a good singer but doesn’t suit Ariel in my opinion, also I don’t like that way she drags some of her notes, makes her sound sleepy. Honestly if they absolutely had to racebend Ariel I would have preferred Auliʻi Cravalho, she played Ariel in the stage play.
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She was greek-macedonian with red hair.
It's actually dangerous that netflix would produce a "documentery" series that falsifies what we know about history.
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Adding to this, an actual Roman painting of Cleopatra.
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the (manufactured) outrage over this girl playing nani on twitter is absolutely insane–also getting picked up by national media outlets.
lets just ignore the fact that if she spent a few weeks outside in the sun, surfing from dawn to dusk, he complexion would undoubtedly become darker naturally
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what the fuck does native hawaiian look like anyway? majority today on the island are mixed with something else
and this girl IS hawaiian and mixed with filipino or something
i don't see what the big fucking deal is seriously. so absurd
"Can't women have anything of their own anymore?"
Fucking based. The other girl was being super passive aggressive and bitchy, kek
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Given that picrel got casted as Lilo, good luck to make up artists trying to make them pass as sisters>>289772>this girl IS hawaiian and mixed with filipino or something
Her mother is white and her dad is mixed filipino/hawaiian; being just 1/4 really shows; in a way you're ofc right, most people in hawaii are mixed, but they still could've tried harder to cast someone looking less white honestly, especially considering how much of a story in Lilo&Stitch is actually about race
There is no ambiguity about Cleopatra whatsoever. She was Greek. Cleopatra isn't even an Egyptian names - it's Greek. Cleopatra was of the Ptolemaic dynasty, founded by the great general Ptolemy. He was one of Alexander the Great's generals who after Alexander's death, like all his great generals, fought over who will inherit his empire. Ptolemy ended up with Egypt, to his luck, because Egypt was the most organized and most functionally state-like entity across the sprawling empire. His dynasty endured for a long, long time. The Ptolemies did not interbreed with the native Egyptians, nor was this expected of them, and like all pharaonic dynasties they practiced incest. This was a religion requirement of the Egyptian native religion and was always inextricably interwoven with the position of Pharaoh.
To suggest that Cleopatra was anything but Greek is wrong. To suggest she was black is a complete fabrication, a lie, complete bullshit. There might have been a dash of Syrian blood in her due to an alleged affair with a Syrian in her family line, but that's all both debatable and now impossible to deny or verify. But the basic point stands - Netflix is shitting on real history and trying to peddle their fiction as actual history, and all of that is done purely for American domestic interests. It's vile.
Honestly the cringiest part about this shit is the retards on twitter who use Ariel being a mermaid (and therefore not a real person) as an excuse but The Little Mermaid stems from Dutch European folklore.
You damn well know if a white character replaced a black protagonist in ANY story stemming from black or African folklore, there would be a whole shitstorm. Funny enough people are so ignorant about history I never see anyone pointing this out or everyone just chooses to ignore it because of white guilt or something.
>>290818>>290827>Dutch European folklore.
It’s Danish actually. >>290827>Wait, what does the story being Dutch have to do with the race of the mermaid?
Danish are all white.
Why are autists angry about a random kids movie having a black woman in it? The people loosing their minds and coming up with excuses as to why a mermaid can't be black on Twitter are literally old white men and women without kids who normally wouldn't even care about kids movies, you're not the target demographic so I don't see why you'd care about a movie you're not even gonna watch?
I'm not even black but autists like you are so fucking annoying. You're not gonna die because a random movie has a woman of color as a protagonist.
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Because it's Disney contradicting itself and shitting on its own fans.
It's no use nonny
, the more you reply the more the racesperg spergs. Just stop replying
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From the MTF Thread, I watched the episodes before and after this one, but I still didn't get it. Each episode has 5 different storylines with characters that have nothing to do with each other. It's kind of like watching TikTok, where the stories shift constantly to keep the attention of the brain dead zoomers
Yeah, this show was already discussed>>244133
It's so bad it's unbelievable lol
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Everytime I'm harassed with an ad for this I think "omg lol the british monarchy wouldn't do that".
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I don't get why some writers who use Twitter woke speak in their works. I mean, nobody really talks like that in the real world, right?"
Unless you're literally in a mixer or some dating app, there's no reason why you should introduce yourself with who you want to sleep with or are attracted to (or lack thereof). As an lgb person I'm not in the closet, but I also don't say what I am unless it comes up in conversation or I'm looking for prospective dates.
If someone ever does that to me I'd probably be like "Okay…no one asked."
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Crash bandicoot, a legendary series i have been obsessed with since early childhood introduced an enbie character. While it's disgusting, and while dubs like french, spanish and italian might make him a man, it at least gives fans one reason to be happy the series is likely going to die soon
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Samefag but let's not forget this abomination either. I don't understand how G3 is preferred to G1 when it not only has troonery, but also the laziest, saddest attempts at MH fashion since late-G2, not to mention how it takes itself too seriously compared to the borderline parodic G1
The french dub still has Frankie as a girl thank god, and her "it's they for me, not he or she" verse in her song was rewritten into a clever joke about her life being in colors instead of black and white like the old Frankenstein movies
For those who wonder: there's enbie Frankie, (implied) tranny Deuce, and a fucking skeleton drag queen.
(Unrelated) they gave Frankie a bionic leg for the sake of disabled representation… all while making Ghoulia talk (she's supposed to be mute/nonverbal autistic). Same hypocrisy as how they removed racial stereptypes all while making Lagoona one
The g3 dolls are really NOT cute, I hate the thick-ass eyebrows most of them have and it makes the wonky factory paint job even more obvious.
But holy shit they made Deuce a fakeboi? Jesus christ. How is Lagoona a racial stereotype may I ask? I'm scared to look it up kek.
I gotchu! Basically they made her the hot-headed latina stereotype. She is pretty goofy and way too driven by her emotions compared to other characters.
Oh, and unrelated but she's pink-skinned now. Yes her name is still Lagoona Blue. And she isn't blue. At this point they WANT to irritate us…
And agreed, they also made them less skinny to be "more inclusive and set less unrealistic standards", except all they did was give them a slightly less skinny pear-shape body. Draculaura (who is thai now, not an issue in itself but makes her story make no sense) is meant to be plus-sized, really she just has huge thighs. They know damn well big thighs are trendy now, their attempt at "body-pos" is just an excuse to appeal to coomers
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This is her live action actress btw. It looks like granma the fucking thing…
She's a fakeboi/enbie/whatever and according to rumors, she pushed for Frankie to be enbie in the first place. I don't understand why they always go for feminine roles and/or media aimed at girls… a friend of mine brought up to me that woke media is mostly targeted at women and girls. When you think about it, women are also expected to validate gendershits a lot more…
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This reminds me of America Chavez, a Marvel character who comes from a universe outside space and time, populated entirely by lesbians (though how they reproduce is never explained). When America is separated from her mothers, she finds her way to Earth as a pre-teen and basically she saw a bunch of brown people being "latinx" and went "Oh that looks cool, I’m that now" I'm not kidding that's her actual backstory.
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>>297980>though how they reproduce is never explained
I believe it is explained by the fact that America comes from a universe that was created when two goddesses hooked up. And it's totally normal for women to have babies with both of their DNAs in that Universe.
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I can't take that shit seriously, it sounds so goofy if you know Spanish kek. Reminds me of Japanese people adding random foreign words to special powers or fantasy places.
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>>297985>who does this even appeal too?
self-hating white liberals and gentrified POC
's who think culture is vague skin tone and what food you eat. >>298040>>297980
Thankfully, you're not the only one who found this dumb. Despite winning a bunch of awards, the series wasn't selling well, so another writer, Kalinda Vazquez, was hired to fix it. She basically retconned the entire thing and just made Chavez a failed super science experiment who gained superpowers, Instead of the original lesbian universe backstory, Gabby Rivera, the writer who created the original backstory for Chavez, got really mad over this on Twitter, but literally no one gave a shit
So how does Brigerton work exactly? Especially since Britain was in its colonial era back then. Do they simply not comment on it or do they have some sort of explanation?
Either way, it feels really lazy to me. I’m not against color blind casting but I feel like Regency era England is the last place you should try to make ~*diverse.
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>Madagascar's First Non-Binary Character
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I hadn’t seen this posted yet but there’s a nonbinary Transformer now, kek. Like how the fuck can you have a gender, you’re a fucking robot
It's so dumb. Here's an excerpt from the article about the voice actor Ezra Menas (ANOTHER enby Ezra…):
>who identifies as nonbinary and uses zie/hir/they pronouns — saw actor Elliot Fletcher, a trans man, portray Aaron on an episode of The Fosters. It was "real, real late in my life," Menas tells EW. Before that moment, zie would project hir experience onto characters "always hoping for some kind of narrative to come through."
It's so unnatural to see the neopronouns. It's amusing that they're so close to "she/her that it feels as pointless as nonbinary. You don't feel completely girly/masculine based on rigid gender stereotypes? That's…normal. I genuinely wonder how these shows will age in 10 years or so.():)
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From the MTF thread, So this a scene from the 1999 indie-produced lesbian comedy film 'Better Than Chocolate,' which explores the queer scene in Vancouver, so yeah academic libfems have been always like this.
This sucks so much ass, this is one of the rare instances of okapis being portrayed in cartoons and it's wasted on this shit.
It kinda feels like someone just wanted a reason to have a biologically female character but without the retarded stereotypical design choices that female animal characters often suffer from (e.g. long eyelashes, curvy body), and they couldn't come up with a better solution than making it a non-girl.
What actual reason is there to make a non-binary talking baby animal? Why do we need to be aware of said cartoon baby animal's ambiguous sex? Talking animals already are of ambiguous sex by default until you take about them in the third person in English.
is a based queen. all the woke TRAs are frumpy and meek beckys.
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This "take" from Ms Marvel is completely ahistorical, only recently been adopted by the liberal South Asian diaspora, here are the actual facts
>It was British India prior to colonialism India never existed as India
>The British did not force partition, rather it was Jinnah and the Muslim League that demanded it,
>Both Hindus and Muslims voted for it.
I'm pakistani as well and I have my own perspectives>india was called the British raj and it was a puppet state which was sold by the mughals
The Mughals were a vassal state by the time British arrived. >as for the partition it was bloody and horrific sindhis and puniabis know this as the most bloody massacres on the pakistan side took place in these areas ie the Hyderabad massacre and gujrati Killings
My own family suffered as a result of the patriation and it was handled incredibly poorly by the Birtish, but it was a choice by local leaders >there were religious unrests because of British propaganda and the treatment of the Indian people as the British are famous for doing divide and conquer (you just don't start hating your neighbour in 100 years after living with them for the first 500)
1000 years of conflicts between Islamic and Hindu states happened because of British propaganda, most communities were ethnically and religiously homogenous, their might have been Muslim and Hindu villages next to each other and might have interacted but it wouldn't have been friendly
The Real problem was that a Urban Islamic bourgeoisie class became the main represenation of the entire Muslim population of south asia, these men had absolute contempt for Pakistani culture and heritage, their wanted their language, their values and their social structure imposed on what they considered Ummah.
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Today on: What hate crime have Blizzard HQ done to cover with this news?
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Probably this lmao
Ever since the Blizzard fiasco with their employees was made public I just mentally role my eyes whenever they add a female or POC
character in their games. Yeah what kind of shit are they trying to hide this time? Did one of their moid employees drink mommy milk from the fridge again?
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A fucking pride event? Really? Even from Overwatch this is absurd. I'm so sick of pride shit showed down my throat everywhere. Glad I stopped playing. I hope this game is bleeding players and Blizzard goes bankrupt soon.
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So in the new Clone High Season they replaced Cleo's voice actor, even though the original VA is still working on the show and voicing the new villain and background characters. The reason for the change was that the original voice actress wasn't Egyptian, but they replaced her with an Iranian American, which doesn't make any sense to me, like they have to realize how racist it is to just group all "brown people" as being the same.
>>300673>like they have to realize how racist it is to just group all "brown people" as being the same.
Completely agree with this. Wokeoids are more aggressively racist than conservative people sometimes and it pisses me off so much when they act like what they're doing is progressive and not ignorant as fuck.>>300691
Agreed, it's a shame when actors that have nothing to do with a woke corporate decision are involved in this mess.
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I was about to point this out. I get annoyed whenever the argument about Ancient Egyptians'/Pharaohs' races pops up, because Egypt was basically the melting pot of the ancient world due to its geographic location. Dynasties came and went in much the same way they did in China, but due to Egypt's relative diversity, you have dynasties of a variety of ethnicities. On opposite extremes, you had Nubian dynasties, and you had Greek ones. I'm not going to pigeonhole ancient peoples into modern racial archetypes, but just look at Cleopatra VII's (the one people typically mean when they just say "Cleopatra") portrait bust. Looks like a Greek woman to me.
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Does censoring old media count?
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tbh I can see both sides of the censorship argument when it comes to children's media, but in an adult movie from 1971 I think everyone watching it should have an understanding of why a slur is there and therefore the censorship is uneeded.
I think Warner Bros had a good solution with adding a disclaimer on their old cartoons
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Literally all they have to do is stop forcing political messages for the sake of it and just make fun stories again. But their head of diversity just "quit" out of nowhere (it's speculated that she got fired because it was so out of nowhere and they've tried to play it down kek) so perhaps it will start to improve again.
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Posted this another thread sometime back but it fits better here, so when I was younger, I used to read this book series called 'Alanna the Lioness' which was about a young noble girl disguising herself as a boy to train for knighthood. The story meant a lot to me. So, out of nostalgia, I looked it up only to find out that the creator now claims that Alanna is gender-fluid, which is untrue to the story. Alanna's femaleness is an essential part of her character, as it affects the plot. Despite taking on a male identity, she still faces abuse and bullying from others who see her as a small, weak boy and can't match men's physical strength, so she has to rely on her superior skill and wit, setting it apart from other YA female fantasy where women easily defeat scores of male soldiers without challenge. The realistic portrayal of Alanna's character made her far more relatable and its insulting to see the author besmirch her work to appease a handful of insecure enbys and TIFs.
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Why does Hollywood think that the masses have the taste of some humorless gender studies major? This movie will be a flop and it will be blamed on "incels" when it's actually normal people who simply wanted a fun summer movie.
I agree with >>307223
, exploring "gender roles" and "the patriarchy" isn't actually necessarilly bad, it's just that actually using the words "gender roles" and especially "patriarchy" is a good way to make yourself sound pretentious and annoying. I think it's completely doable to make a movie that explore the differences between men and women's places in society in a lighthearted and non-pretentious way.
I really think movie will be a more meta/self-aware version of legally blonde.
Reviews throwing in random woke words doesn't always
mean much because it's extremely common for woke type reviewers to wayyyy overhype the social critique of anything they consume so they will either make background elements sound way more central to the plot than they actually are, or they will use a bunch of pretentious buzzwords to insert themes onto the movie that are not actually there and are basically just the reviewer's headcanon.
Example: literally anything that has a character disguise as the opposite sex in a non-comedic way will be called queer even if the character explicitly mentions identifying with their own sex and only disguising for convenience
If this is a cinema description then I'd give it even less weight because it's even more likely they just had a marketing intern look for trendy buzzwords to slap on it.
Either way, you can just wait for it to come out and see people's opinions on it or wait for it to drop on the web, watch it for free, and if it starts being cringe you drop out
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Drive, Blade Runner 2049, Lars and the Real Girl, now ~kino~ haggard Ken, his incel it boy status is second only to Christian Bale
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You're not wrong but he's aging icky nona eww nasolabial folds…>>307606>Is this reputation of his recent?
NO. They've wanted his pink dick up in their guts ever since Drive came out, it's an autism man cult classic akin to Nightcrawler.
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Re: the anon who wondered why autistic men love Ryan Gosling. He is fucking autistic and he plays "cool" autistic guys that make them go "he just like me FR!!!"
Any social commentary this movie makes will be hollow. At the end of the day it's end goal is to promote a brand. They want you to buy fugly pink tops with the Barbie logo that was made by underpaid factory workers, they want you to buy dolls made from plastic that damages the environment. The movie could explore the core values of feminism and it would not fucking matter since it just wants you to consoom. The movie could quote Dworkin for all that I care and it still wouldn't mean anything since the movie just wants your money and is not trying to hide it.
If the director and script writer truly cared about any social issues they would had turned down making a Barbie movie. If anyone had tried to discuss settler colonialism trough The Coca Cola The Movie a few decades ago then people would had rightfully called them phonies but since we live in the age of consoomerism shit like this gets praised.
I know the movie isn't out yet so we can't know for sure if they explore feminism but it's obvious that they are shilling it as a feminist movie in it's advertisemen to hide the fact that it's just going to be a 2 hour long commercial for a brand
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kek i wheezed when i saw the pride shit covering 40% of the board. i mean come on how is this not an agenda at this point–anyway im not going to watch it.
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Now that's a crossover I've been waiting for!
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not gay frogs but genderqueer mountain lions
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This is an old post but this is sort of what happened with winx club allegedly. Season 1 had 2 white characters, 1 Chinese character, 1 latina character, and 1 ambiguous character that is either white or east Asian. Then Americans complained that there weren't a black character so they added one in season 2. And for some reason the creator of the show felt the need to say that the characters are based on actual people and have the exact same ethnicity as them which made the fandom sperg about their race to this and about muh whitewashing when the dark skinned ones got slightly lighter because of a pastel color pallet change. The thing is I don't see the similarities 100%, and the fans insist on making Stella darker in fan art because Camiron Diaz is a latina. But no one says anything about Bloom being a redhead with lighter skin than blonde Britney Spears. Like they can't see that the creator was just pandering to them.
From what I've read in the article Yoto (where this greatest hits is getting published) is aimed at actual children and the lyrics imply sex so…
Seems people are making a big deal out of nothing
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I can understand the company doing outragebait marketing, but why does the lead star partake in it as well? All publicity is good publicity? So pathetic and lowlife. Or maybe lolife is a better term.
Makes as much sense as casting a black person for a historical Danish story. Can you imagine the freakout if the reverse happened? Everyone would screech "whitewash". Idc about the Ariel shit but this one makes even less sense considering the title of the movie is directly about the character's skin tone.
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From the show Glamorous, where the main villain is just a gay guy who thinks people should just be normal and is presented as a huge bigot and "sell-out"(despite the characters working for a make-up company)
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Show also has a JK Rowling reference
Kek I actually like that guy. Don't know the series though.
I don't like how gay people (and everybody else from the lgbt+ spectrum) is expected to contribute to the "community" and show off with that.
Where do you see any of these forced rules for normal hets? Gays aren't a community, they are normal people and sexuality doesn't define your whole personality. I have nothing against flamboyants and those that participate in Pride parades btw. but this isn't everybody. The large majority of gays are just very normal men and women that can be rich, poor, crazy, calm and that are probably obsesses with some hobbies, be it soccer, gardening or history. Many gays are conservative, many are apolitical, because they are human.
None of them should be forced to show non-stop "solidarity" to all other lgbt+, no hetero sexual person is forced to do that for other hets either. The only ones that might tell hets to do this are literal fundamentalists or nazis and there is reason for why everybody hates them.
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also this is how he's introduced.