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Horrifying white cast
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She's weird in a tryhard way
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Mijoo is more pretty and Western looking but Korea hates cunning looks like hers and prefers Suzy who looks a bit daft
Well my bad then. Still, she grew up in america and has been back there again for years. She should know better
At least she apologised but idk if she actually thinks she was wrong
Tbf she was just smacked in the head by a sweaty incel that probably gaps to her fancams nightly.
She was kinder than most of us would be kek
anyone defending amber in here is just trying to be edgy. there's no excuse for her stupidity, and there is a problem with police officers in the USA with small dick syndrome, exercising power to those who aren't doing anything wrong.
but this isn't even the reason i hate amber. i don't care what ignorant shit she says, because tbh it doesn't shock me. she's conservative, brainwashed by some cult-ish religion, and continues to deny that she's gay. also anyone in here who denies that amber is gay is fucking retarded
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she's weird and too plastic looking imo
god, amber is replying "i'm so sorry thank you for educating me" to randos on twitter. kpop fans need to realize that even asians from western countries can be ignorant and definitely won't teach their bandmates anything about racism>>62898
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>>62943>thank you for educating me
Lmao is she really trying to blame this on being ignorant/stupid? This was clearly her honest opinion, she didn't even back down when the guy tried to tell her that this is wrong. She's a nearly 30-year-old american woman, what's there to educate?
Quick Amber, go and "reflect" for a year lol>>62945
We've had this discussion so often already. Kpop exists since decades and is more popular than ever, why would it suddenly disappear?>Not to mention its main purpose - the ideal boyfriend/girlfriend facade has been getting shattered by the last year scandals.
What are you talking about? Idols have always gotten into scandals, that isn't just happening recently, and it never changed anything.
I think we can all agree that Seungri is the worst of the worst, right? Just take a look at the comments of your average kpoppies about him, they're still staying loyal. Dating, drunk driving, even raping, it doesn't matter, oppar never did it.
honestly.. you're right. people been calling her gay for dressing masculine and never having a bf. but which idol even has a bf?
is wearing masculine clothes = lesbian for your peanut brains?
and I never seen anything about her being christian either.
BP can't even produce a song or sing. WTH are they gonna do without YG or a big company ?
Harry and Niall just wanna smash them.
I know yall are being edgy by hating on blackpink but truth is they have a huge fandom and can make banks. Also harry and niall truly wants to collab.
YG literally mistreats blackpink just like how they did with 2ne1. Theyre trash and bp deserves better. Are some of you slow? Bts and blackpink are the most popular kpop groups among western kpopfags
doesnt matter if akmu has more talent. Most people dont know them. Blackpink is the one of the few groups armys are actually threatened by (especially with the awards thing they had a huge meltdown).
no one cares about how your nugu groups are talented. Kpop is about catchy songs + looks. Companies care about money. Are you new?
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and also this. Dont be retarded. Yg always gave all their attention on bg
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Tl;dr but I followed f(x) for a long time after they debuted(havent been into kpop for years) and yes, Amber was very religious years ago. I dont know if she still is now. She and her sister, Jackie, used to post religious stuff all the time. They went to a formosan church, which is basically the equivalent of an Asian evangelical church. Most of her internet presence from before she was debuted was like pic related. And she did often post bible verses back when she was still in Korea. Her parents were also high profile members of her church and basically ran the musical department.
“My mom is the lead singer of our church and my dad plays bass for the church band, and then my sister originally was like a vocalist for our church."
And heres a quote saying she is not gay, but has no problem with gay people and believes people should be themselves and not worry about other people.
"People are always misunderstood, just because they are a certain way. Growing up and people always assuming I’m gay, which is totally fine, but being mistreated for that, is wrong. Whether it’s race, sexual orientation, the way you look, you should not be mistreated for those reasons. If you’re a crappy person, yes. That’s when we go into a debate. Even me having tattoos."
"Everywhere I go. In general, there are people out there that think they can handle you a certain way just because you make a certain choice, which doesn’t relate to them at all. If someone was gay, that’s totally their business. Are you dating me? No. If you’re happy, go ahead. If you’re in a toxic relationship, that’s a different story. I just don't like seeing people being mistreated because of something that doesn’t relate to the person they’re “hurting.”
How is my religion upsetting you, when it’s just me and my religion? I’m Asian. How is that affecting you? [laughs] Especially in the LGBTQ community. I have a lot of friends that are gay, bi, and so on. They are the most amazing people ever. Or people with face tattoos, people will assume things, but they are some of the most kind-hearted people I’ve ever met. Don’t judge a book by its cover. It’s something that we learn since we’re young, I just don’t understand why we don't get it until now."
So I think if she is gay, she will come out when shes ready at some point.
Her comments about the subway were extremely shitty and she should have known better though. Period. No defending that.
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Heres the second photo from that same set she uploaded to her xanga or whatever it was. Quite lulzy but she was literally a kid.
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Speaking of AKMU… I'm surprised K-Netz never gave them more shit about their looks. Obvs their talent matters more and I'm glad Suhyun said she wasn't going to get ps, but cmon Korea drags Seolhyun for being a little tanned.
Same reason nobody gives Adele or Ed Sheeran shit for not looking like Cheryl Cole or 1Direction? Akmu are considered "real talent" singer-songwriters who don't rely on sexy outfits or dances to sell self-written music.>>62987
Akmu are the only YG group that can produce music and put out albums anytime because they don't rely on eternal parties to write and produce songs for them. They can leave YG and hit the top of the charts, BP need to beg Teddy or someone for music kek. Soyeon said Cube kept postponing her group's debut due to lack of material so she wrote all the songs herself, that's why CLC are dead in the water while Gidle are thriving.
i'm late but l o l
Western artists only want to collab with kpop stars because of their rabid fanbases. Especially when you get to the likes of ex-boy group members who depend on some 12 year old fans
BP is a massive joke compared to other groups who actually have regular interactions with their fans outside of instagram posts and lives. Their Western attention is basically the same as every other kpop groups - fulled by fans who can afford to spend some cash to see their faves because the chances of them touring ever again are slim to none and there is generally no market there.
the controversy between black people and police in america has been a mainstream topic in the US since the 50's. plus she lived in california during the rise of blm (after the fx hiatus started), so she's just willfully ignorant. whether or not you agree with her she should've stayed silent as a pr move. >>62988
cause they have been on the same tour for a year and ongoing and overcharge tickets. if the spice girls had stops in asia and south america they would've been number 1 most likely. a bunch of middle schoolers vaguely knowing the chorus to dddd doesn't make them that popular.>>63029
he fell in love with his wife when he was over 20 and she was 14 i'm not surprised
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Why so defensive? An idol doing borderline pedo shit is absolutely relevant to this thread, doesn't matter that it happened a while ago.
My post was more of a contribution than you reeing about me supposedly being a fan/fujo. If you don't like it, then ignore it or post better milk yourself.
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AKMU put in their contracts they don't want PS.
In mongolia AKMU is considered model tier
There is nothing wrong with that woman's face.
You are just too used to seeing asian celebrities with plastic surgery.
The majority of asian's look like this.
They do NOT have big eyes,high nose bridges,pointy chins or small jaws and cheekbones.
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from some of the comments on here, some people seem believe that babies born in asia get PS and bleaching at birth otherwise they all end up like this.
wait so most koreans are
naturally whiter than other asians?
this woman has very nice cheekbones and a strong jawline
i find her prettier than most idols tbh
Yes, even if a lot of koreans don’t hit the kbeauty standards, i don’t think they should called ugly
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Army: Me🙋🏻♀️ Looking at a picture of Jungkook oppa whom Taehyung oppa loves!
V: Come out of your imagination now, that place’s not good
BTS fujos btfo. imagine being this fan… how embarrassing
calling yourself a tomboy is an easy way of denying your sexuality to yourself, and to people who may judge you for it
if she was a regular american who didnt give af what her family thought, she'd be full on fake boi'ng it up at this point but its easier to not step on your toes or feel like you're going to hell if you just pretend that literally resembling a male in every sense just makes you a ~tomboy~ or ~androgynous~
im pretty sure ive never heard of someone referring to themselves as androgynous and not coming out as either queer, bisexual, gay or troon at some point down the line so we'll see
i dont ever recall seeing her hang out with ellin so idk
if i would guess any female idol it would have been ailee because they are literally always together
Unless you guys have more receipts, you're just blindly speculating like the rest of the crazy fans you criticize.
Some straight girls are tomboys because they think masculinity is superior and/or more relatable than femininity.
Jesus this post is retarded. All this troon/homo sperging needs to get back in the containment thread.
P. s. most fakebois are straight girls
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lmaoooooo i'm losing my shit. i can't believe they hid his tattoos with photoshop when everyone and theirs mothers already saw them.
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samefag. apparently they also put tapes on his hands to hide his tattoos…
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When ratmys aren't ruining somebody's career for being mean to their oppars, then they spend their time fighting over who's secretly married to whom - and both V and Jk are the worst when it comes to gay pandering.
Absolutely ridiculous to act this way after playing fag for pay for ages.
I can't remember what it was called exactly, but there's this blog that collects problematic
things idols have done and so many of them said shit like "please don't misunderstand, I'm normal, I like women, being gay is not right" after basically smooching other members on the lips.
ain’t he the member that always calls out his fans bullshit. i mean yeah bts’ fans got them to where they are now but at least he isn’t a coward like the other members. does that mean this “artiste” persona is true to him.
cause if it is he’s still an autist
mw jungkook and bighit covering them ugly hand tats up with every chance they get to pls fans. yeahh i’d cover them up too, clearly they were an impulse.
I would love to read this blog. Anyone got the address??>>63107
Ridiculous. Looks like the hands of a 100 year old. Bit still I'm not sure which one is worse.
Anyone wants to take bets how long until he will laser them away?
When did he ever call out anything?>>63113
It is, but at the same time I don't think that we should put the blame on mostly underage fans for behaving the way some millionaires brainwashed them into behaving. BTS' words and action don't match, if you don't like that your fangirls think you're gay, then quit acting like that.
It's time to stop pretending that BTS are the victims
, ratmys are ratmys because they were conditioned by BTS. They never step in when their fans' craziness is getting out of control, they definitely like all that cultlike attention and obsession (like people getting fired because of hurting their feefees).>>63108
Maybe he already got laser treatments and therefore has to wear some kind of protection over it? But hand tattoos fade rather quickly on their own anyway, it's an absolutely dumb place for a first tattoo and every tattoo artist that isn't his fuckbuddy would have warned him about that lol
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This is old but gold - in a sad way. I always thought the girl in the incident was korean but somebody showed me the original tweet and it seems she's not(?) She put all the blame on herself and other fans are also telling her that what she did went against his culture or that this is his way of showing he cares about her. Ratmys have so much deep rooted sexism and self-hate, who unironically believes that a man telling a woman to cover up is a-okay? It's not like her tits were out, he told her to cover her arms
. As if wearing sleeveless stuff hasn't been completely normal in korea for ages already.>as a women we should wear clothes that are not too obtrusive. ya know men eyes and thoughts are different from ours>just bc he told a fan at a fan meeting to button up her open cut sleeves saying tht it was a bit racy,does not make him sexist>whats with "taehyung sexist" he just told a girl to cover up bcs her shirt are kinda down SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL?>so you are saying that a girl can wear whatever she wants and that taehyung is a sexist bc he told her to cover up?
If he told them to wear a niqab they'd probably do it.
And I'm certain he also didn't post this recent thing about shippers to tell fans to calm down, but because somebody indicating he could be gay hurt his pride, honour or whatever.
What more proof do people need to finally get that he's the opposite of woke?>>63117https://problematickpop.tumblr.com/
this blog has quite detailed lists of what every group has done
All male idols seem very keen on proofing that they're not gay, I especially like exo saying they're "real men" as if gay people are of a different species…
Jesus fuck, we really live in 2019 where masculine clothes = gay, huh? My brain is fucking hurting.
You retarded mule, some girls dress super feminine and are gay, some girls dress masculine and workout and are straight.
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Like get off your bros lap
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Modesty is for the weak
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he's still got them
This is on the same level as a victim
"it's her fault. men think differently! why didnt she cover up?"
Yikes. Ratmys are braindead
Korea is not as conservative as Japan, as long as your cleavage isn't super big then wearing no sleeves and short pants/skirts isn't a big deal. The only young men who've got a problem with this are incels and V.>>63153
Good point anon kek
Japan are seen as less conservative/more Western in Asia because Japanese women have no qualms about working in porn and doing all kinds of experimental scenes unlike most other Asian countries where the women would be shamed for life. In SK (and all other Asian countries) the men jack off to Japanese porn but if you asked them if there should be SK porn actresses they would say no because it's demeaning low class work for other countries' women not ours. That attitude is very conservative and prevails in Asia.
Btw Honey Popcorn are a Kpop group made up of AKB girls who did porn.
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I remember him calling out fans overcrowding him in the airport by taking his phone out and filming. He tells armys not to tell him what to wear, even tho the advice is very much needed bc he dresses like an old 1950s wifebeater when bts’ stylists aren’t involved. That’s all ik
Exactly what I was thinking. Amount or production of porn doesn't really decide how conservative some country is. Or like it isn't the deciding factor. It's mostly made for and by men. With men's interest in mind. Doesn't really tell us much about the daily life of the women in the country. And honestly, thinking about it all only in terms of porn is a little gross.
But anyways I think that convo will derail the thread since this isn't the thread for it.
Conservative and liberal have so many different meanings. Politically: Japanese are definitely more conservative/LDP-biased and right wing but most Japanese don't care about politics at all, Koreans have left and right wing govts but are more energised to vote and protest or discuss politics online. SK is more liberal and modern in their approach to discussion forums like Naver, Daum etc where people discuss politicians or celebs but Japan has no equivalent of Naver etc
Socially: Imo Japanese are more liberal, individualist and less conformist, people don't want to look the same (just visit Akihabara and see the street style) or get plastic surgery or braces to make themselves perfect (Wabi Sabi) because they think messy teeth or chubby cheeks are charming. There's heavier pressure in SK to conform to beauty standards like double eyelids, fair skin and vshaped face or study hard and get into a top university.
Economically: Japan is definitely behind SK in terms of adapting to 21st century industrial exports (Kpop, Kdrama, Samsung, LG etc overtook Japanese brands and Korean beauty brands are arguably more popular than Japanese ones) but both are very conservative in their work culture.
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GRAMMY NOMINATIONS LEAKED !!!
Apparently both BTS and Blackpink aren't getting anything lol
Lizzo with 8 noms? Are they high?
Anyways RATMY btfo as always
i do remember reading that and not being sure what it meant, so i tried to find articles about other recording academy members.https://www.grammy.com/grammys/news/t-pain-ari-lennox-more-heat-atlanta-recording-academy-member-celebration
this one from the grammy website shows that a few unknown artists have also been accepted as members of the recording academy. i've never heard of any of the artists listed on this page before so idk what categories they'd be nominated (and obviously bts would be nominated in pop… or god forbid rap) but i don't think that all 1340 people accepted this year are going to be nominated. i think inviting bts was just to diversify as it says in the article. i'm sure they will be invited again though for views (watch rm hog the stage by any means possible)
Ah i see that i triggered
a army fujo.
What are you going to do cunt? Spam your bts yaoi as revenge?
Sounds like a lot but most of these people probably are from the "technical" area. There are lot of producers, sound mixers, engineers, composers etc also musicians working behind the scenes and people in charge of the business side of it.
Grammys are rigged anyways I wouldn't doubt they would nominate them just to get those ratings up or to get a paycheck
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my fault for not linking the proper article but this is the breakdown of what the roles of the new members are so mostly performers it seems
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you inspired me, anon
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Lmao better be careful
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the styling for that paper magazine one is really something
I'm not sure if the leaks r legit tho (I hear some ppl on Twitter saying that leaks happen every year and they're ALWAYS wrong, but that could just be RATMY cope)
we'll find out within 24 hrs anyways
And booty calls probably>>63226
She’s ballsy as shit. Sasaengs out there probably want to make molka of her. I’d be so damn paranoid.
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Shes so unfortunate looking. I'm pretty sure she only made it into twice because of her sister
why are western media companies bending over backwards to appeal to rabid teenage girls>>63250
oh no she has bloat and the filters erased half her face! she's a monstrosity!!!!!!/s
I also agree that porn is a bad argument. I would look at representation of sexuality and gender since that’s usually what liberal/conservative people usually argue about.
I suppose that one thing one could argue is that kdramas, being generally pretty homophobic (for example, one of the most popular ones, strong girl bong-soo) are evidence of a more conservative nation.
There’s also little to no positive LGBTQ representation in Korea, while Japan has an excess of yaoi and yuri. And no, yuri and yaoi isn’t just perv nastiness. They’ve actually come a way and a good chunk of them are not just created for horny teen girls.
Anyway. Better/more frequent representation of LGBTQ in media is just one thing that could indicate the conservative-ness of a state.
But also abortion is legal in Korea and very rarely in Japan so I think they just flip flop
Japan and Korea pick and choose when they want to be conservative like many other countries. >>63254
No1curr that your poor Nayeon gets bullied and that we have different opinions on who's average/ugly. Jeongyeon looks like an average girl with snow filters and ugly kpop makeup. Nayeon has her nose snipped and looks like a lizard; she would be average too otherwise.
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Why is taehyun so ugly….,,,,,
Honestly Jeongyeon gives me Quasimodo vibes, I don’t know how people think Nayeon is uglier. Her nose is fucked, yeah, but she’s worlds cuter than Jeongyeon even with all her shit fucked up. Some of you get so pressed when someone insults some ugly idol while you go on for days about how “ugly” you pretend to find better looking idols.
Inb4 naYeOn fAaG rEeee
This kid can't be real. Plastic surgery, makeup & filters make idols look plastic sure but not this plastic. Is he an illuminati test tube experiment? Like im speechless over here.>>63254
All of twice is busted, girlfriend, nobody's singling out your precious rat nayeon. Her, jeong & dahyun are so ugly + they actually believe they are beautiful, it freaks me out. Someone said this before but I'll repeat, nayeon would have been DESTROYED if she'd attended my high schoo too, it's wild she just happened to be born in a place/time where she's considered pretty, not only pretty but celebrity tier. Like what are the chances of that. It's freaky.
Momo & Sana have giant horse veneers, utterly tragic. Jihyo is ok ish considering she's pretty natural but her body & short hair are so unfortunate (idk why the stylists went so short for fancy, she already looks like somebody's over the hill aunt, major ajumma vibes) Chaeyoung has such an unfortunate face made worse by the black vacant stare, she really might have an extra chromosome or at least she's on the spectrum. I've never seen her emote or show any emotion in her eyes, have you? I'm honestly asking. She scares me
Tzuyu & mina are fine but not world class visuals like everyone says, and as someone else said, they have the personalities of wet cardboard, zero enthusiasm zero stage presence, and that really kills it for me. And it's not their role in the group or whatever. Tzuyu will be boring af in or out of twice, no question
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He looks like a completely normal boy when he's not photoshopped and wearing crazy amounts of white powder + red lipstick. There's really no need to shit on the appearance of somebody who's underage if they haven't done anything "problematic" other than simply being an idol, calling a child vomit inducing and an experiment-gone-wrong is really too much.
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What is wrong with their fans, how is that hot??
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the amount of pacifier edits is also creepy
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(Slightly off topic buuuut)
Someone should start a thread of the fucking disgusting kpop fics. Or just gross fics in general. That shit is bad.
Also for some reason everyone on AO3 wants jimin to fuck a dog???!!! There’s an absurd about of fan fictions where he has sex with dogs. Reason one I left ratmy. I wasn’t even actively searching for that shit, it’s just that common. Blegh.
Why do you search for this crap you fujo freaks. You just want to spam your bts fanfics and yaoi and fetishes here while pretending you hate it.
And funny enough when someone calls you out then you get all defensive.
Inb4 some ratmy says "cunt why don't you contribute" spamming yaoi crap that contributes to nothing is against the rules of this thread k.
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Speaking of fucking dogs. These guys are really not ok
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He looks fine, he’s just styled weirdly a lot of the time. People just aren’t used to seeing white features on idols. And if you went by what people on kcrit said you’d have to believe literally every idol is some kind of hideous abomination which is evidently not true.
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Nothing will ever top this for me.
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Yeah that”s the leader one. I always thought he was pretty cute compared to the others>>63290
Bruh that pic makes him look normal. I am surrounded by white people and no one has extremely prominent triple lids. In his predebut photos, he has double eyelids. This is the result of bigshit messing with his eyes.
Also to the person who keeps defending him, a lot of the people we shit on are minors. Where were you when we were picking at them?
I'm already seeing ratmies saying that the grammys are being racist jfc >>63328
yep, none for blackpink either
Because Ratmy and Blinks still don´t understand how the Grammy Awards work.
No one cares about a bunch of crazy fans in puberty or sales.
Sounds like, I think the Grammys aren't rigged like any other awards, kek.
No, but in the end, this persona-album was shit and did BP even release a full album…? Don't know, tbh. But KTL and DDDD neither was good enough for a nomination, even though personally I listend to them a few times.
But I enjoy the crying over twitter because cleary Grammys are racist and unfair.
Having one tiny odd feature still doesn't make him repulsive or deserving of your rage. The entire rest of his face is absolutely normal.
Feels like it's always the very same anon who keeps bringing up how supposedly disgusting he is around once per month. Seriously what's your problem?
>Also to the person who keeps defending him, a lot of the people we shit on are minors. Where were you when we were picking at them?We
don't shit on them, you
do. The only time I remember people talking shit about somebody underage was some farmer(s) claiming Somi slept herself to the top, which is obviously gross and was called out. Some also said that Wooyoung might have been forced to get ps already but nobody called her an abomination like you do with him.
Seriously, nobody likes txt, nobody talks about them, you can absolutely live life without ever coming across anything about them or their fans, so I don't see why anybody would even waste their time getting mad about their existence. It's not like they're constantly in your face like bts, nct or loona.
If the face of a high schooler triggers
you so much then maybe just quit searching for and saving pics of him…
You sound unhinged, sorry you were bullied >>63333>>63332
Grammys rigged just like every other award, just not in oppas favor. Why tf does an American award give a shit about a bunch of korean teen boppers.
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armys bullying halsey and she replied and they're trying to say she's making them look bad. no grammy noms for bts and armys self destructing. could this day get any better.
everyone hates txt is cause bigshit is trying so hard to make them bts 2.0. No one would give a shit about them or talk about them if it wasn’t for them being bts ‘little brother group’.
Also the stylists at bh need to be fired because they dress txt up as such faggots. They guys themselves are okay, but bigshit bigshitted up everything about them, starting with naming them tomorrow x together
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So what the fuck happened to Luda's face? Her face shrunk to half the size of what it originally was. I didnt even recognize her. WJSN was on break for half a year and some members can't wait to turn themselves into weird looking aliens. I don't even want to see what they'll look like when they come back a long hiatus.
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here is the tweet
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They're realizing how weird and overbearing she is… Like, weren't they clued in when she bought expensive-ass bracelets for a bunch of acquaintances or called them her family
despite the massive language barrier and only seeing them a handful of times a year (and knowing them for less than 2 years at that point.) This is an established pattern of behavior for her, she's currently up taylor swift's ass for the clout and woke points (probably hoping for a collab) remember when she wrote that cringy song trashing taylor back when she was a psycho 1D fangirl
she definitely used them and exaggerated the extent of their relationship (although they're no better in their blatant desperation for a crossover hit) but it's obvious that armys are jealous of her for breathing bts's air as well as being misogynists>>63366
now this is a lie… what nominations did they deserve exactly for mots?
Of course bts were also using her and a lot of armys were jealous weirdos about a feeemale
being near their oppars (did you see some of them when bwl was first teased/released bitching about halsey not wearing a bra around their precious innocent babies), it's just that I've been looking at the PULL thread on halsey lately, and wooo boy she's a piece of work… bts are real dumbies for getting involved with her (and publicly tying themselves to her #officiallyourgirl) seemingly without anyone at bighit doing any research lmao
What are they even jealous of, doesn’t she have a boyfriend?
I don’t get it, do they think bts are innocent babies or rabid men who can’t control themselves around a woman? Like if they’re as respectful and innocent as their fans say they are, why would a braless woman tempt them?
Yeah but if EXO's is up, based on debut, isn't BTS near the same boat?
I don't believe in any of that, tbh. Just trying to understand the mind of ARMY. Probably a waste of time.
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Because exo hit it big not long after they debuted and bts didn't. Most nowadays fans only became interested in kpop when exo was already established and then witnessed the rise of bts in 2016/2017, so even though they only debuted a year after exo, they feel much newer.
Plus exo quit doing aegyo/dressing cute ages ago already. If you compare their recent comebacks bts are obviously still pandering to school girls (and noonas kek), posing all smiley, talking about first love, adults being mean, while exo tries to go for sexy concepts.
Probably not the best comparison pic, but you get the gist.
Based on my own little sister who's a fan I've also always gotten the impression that young fangirls try to make themselves believe that bts are sooo young, just "boys", because admitting that those men in their mid to late 20s would never be interested in their (pre)teen selves would hurt too much. And bts furthers that by dressing and acting immature and featuring little girls as love interests in their mvs, to seem relatable and approachable to their kid fans. If one of them were to date, then I'd bet money on ratmys calling her too old looking for their oppar, they also already called the actresses bts named as their ideal types 'hags'.
7. [+37, -25] Probably because the Grammy isn't a place you can win a trophy just off of fan labor
Ding ding ding!
That! Idk what men in their 20s would be normal enough to act as teens? A person's mental development at this stage actually can't stand teen behavior, not to mention acting like one. It's disturbing on so many levels. it almost blends the line with pedophilia (especially the pics with the rainbow colors somebody posted above) and that explains to a certain extent ratmies' weird obsession with diapers and their other insane imaginations.
I just wonder how much longer this will continue because at one point they can't keep on hiding the fact they're grown-up men. This will just get worse soon for them. Even if they try to act mature and sexy, I don't see it working at all. Maybe for a while but their fall is bound to happen in the next 1-2 years.
Serious question but will V enlist?
He has autism so I don’t know if they will let him in since he has a disability.
I just roll my eyes at the ratmys that want to protect their poor boys and read for the tea, early in the thread is from before she collabed with bts so it's pretty good. Speaking of ratmys in the halsey thread:>i love them to death too and this shit sounds selfish but i really didn’t want Persona to be the album that got nominated for a grammy. and i loved Persona (Home, Dionysus, Jamais Vu; the b sides are fucking good) but fml if the shit with halsey’s screeching Oh My My My in the bg was the grammy nom album… bitch that would be shameful. let BTS get nominated for something they did all on their own. absent of a kid-kissing, avocadis & bananis singing, obsessively searching herself, faking everything for PR, clown.. get some help, weird bitch!
I actually think halsey sounds like she belongs on the track and the already mediocre song would be worse without her. The album fucking sucks and it would be a travesty if it was nominated with or without the halsey collab.(emojis)
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The autist levels of this… jfc
>>63405>2. [+742, -82] At the end of the article, it mentions that the Grammy judges more on artistic ability and musicality rather than popularity. You have to admit that their standards are different from Korean award ceremonies.
lmao>5. [+51, -9] Reminds me of a Bong Joon Ho interview. When a reporter asked him why Korean movies haven't been nominated for the Oscars despite great influence in the past 20 years, he said, "It's weird but not a big deal. The Oscars is not an international film festival, right? It's a local festival."
Drawing a line from a genius auteur to a shitty, plastic, manufactured boy band - the audacity.
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Ratmys are so gullible.
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BBC having none of it kek
I do see how they've brought honor or whatever in terms of spreading hallyu, bringing korean culture & language to a prominent place on the world stage, blah blah blah no one's disputing that. I sure can't name any Korean politicians or athletes, and I'm an old who actually follows the Olympics kek. But this aspect of the conversation needs to end..like, yesterday. Even if they were granted exemptions, they'd still go…I mean nationalism, pride, honor, social expectation, societal norms, cultural notion of masculinity, whatever you wanna call it, it runs deep in SK, everyone knows it, so does it even matter? All seven of them are such public figures at this point, along with bigshit & bang pd, et al, so wouldn't they be destroyed by the gp if they skipped out?
I'd also like to know if any Olympic athletes, renowned classical musicians, or members of other "exemption eligible" groups have actually taken the opportunity & skipped service. I just can't see that being the desired outcome unless theres a legit reason like an injury or something… although there is plenty of military work that's not physical so even that's a weak reason.
Also waiting on the Lisa frank thing still, like are these edits? I don't get it
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thats because it is lisa frank art
the virgil abloh thing is interesting given that he invited mino to walk for one of his shows this year lol>>63455
i think it's like "speak out for yourself". the clumsiness is so that it fits in with the "love yourself" thing>>63432
the first two cyphers are some of the worst kpop songs ever
Im canadian and sometimes they play blackpink in the mall.
Blackpink do not make club songs lol
The only korean artist that goes well with the club scene is big bang
Some kpoppies were rational enough to say that too but were immediately attacked by others lol The grammy is an american award, so of course most of the winners will be americans too.
Why is it so wrong that they prefer listening to artists from their own country who speak their own language? It's not like Korea hands out awards to foreigners either.
All artists in the entire world are somehow ok with not getting american awards but ratmys are so entitled that they think not
getting is a crime instead of just the norm. But like usual this is also bts' own fault, since they always whine that a grammy is their biggest dream.
Something else that they just won't seem to get is that selling shitloads of albums doesn't mean that the music is good or that they're loved by the general public. Ratmys are super triggered
by the jonas brothers, always reeing about them being a flop and not selling well but at the end of the day even middle aged people know them and their new song was on the radio non-stop (I say this as a non-american), so you can definitely say that it was more of a success than everything bts did this year. The music of others might not be super deep as well but at least it's not anpanman tier of childish.
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rational ratmies. wow didn't think they existed
Exemption only means being spared from the full 2 years, but those eligible still have to do 6 months basic training. Athletes only get to skip if they win gold medals at the Asian Games or Olympics. Silver and bronze winners will serve regardless.
I remember Son Heungmin celebrating winning gold at last year's Asian Games because it meant he and the entire Korean football team wouldn't have to do the full 2 years.
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I really don't get what they were going for with this photoshoot lmao
Yeah i agree. Armies just legit hate on every american & korean artist and then act like victims
Ive been into kpop since 2010 and its obviously much more mainstream than before but its still mostly nerdy teenage girls who listen to it in the west. Yes occasionally you see western artists going to bts or blackpink concerts but thats it.
Kpop is still niche. Plus kpop fans have such a bad reputation, many people refuse to listen to kpop bc of it.
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get a load of this jimin fanboy
That was quick, lol. No Grammy, no hel from the government. I can imagine BTS crying their asses already somewhere.
Now that they weren't appreciated in America and next The Beatles agenda is over they will crawl back to SK pleading what big patriots they are. International fans will soon start losing interest in them cuz BTS weren't strong enough to provide them with a good "battlefield" for them to stream for them. BTS should have known that acting all "American" will only bite them back in their stinky asses.
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Kitsch + 90s nostalgia (Lisa Frank). It’s supposed to be tacky and garish. Actually I think it’s clever since boy bands are probably reminiscent of the 90s for a lot of Americans and a lot of BTS’ fanbase are women who were children in the 90s so it taps into demographic nostalgia. Paper mag is known for offbeat covers.
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suga looks like my uncle..
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he never shouldve fucked with his face. his looks were okayish before all the procedures. But he DID debut with the botched nose job, so my point doesnt really stand.
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How is Jimin so popular? He’s a literal fucking maggot.
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that's a bit harsh anon. from some angles he looks almost like a human. even if he is an ugly one.
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saw someone on kpopsecretmeme say that he would look like lee joon if he hadn't fucked with his face. he honestly doesn't look bad in this picture what a bummer
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"the kind of cute next door guy" hmm I'm not too sure about that
i think they probably find him charismatic or whatever. i mean he's a great performer and not completely hideous but also he's kind of annoying lol.>>63508
v is easily the most conventionally handsome and that's what i think it comes down to in the end. they all are to an extent except the rappers lol. i know someone is going to call us closet armys in a few minutes
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V is weird and retarded and but he’s easily the most conventionally handsome member.
That hair pulling video is fucking weird. Even the other members look skeeved out by it. They seem to at least have the self-awareness to realize the optics of the situation and V’s just acting like a mindless retard.
What’s RM done?
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oh boy, what hasn't he done… co-wrote on war of hormones, admitted to being an avid porn watcher which is kind of skeevy, said that his talent is impersonating black people (just like wendy), said the n word in a shinwa cover, used to deliberately style his hair to imitate an afro. these are just the ones off the top of my head
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I really can't stand the bright blue contacts/monolids combination, it just looks so unnatural. Light brown contacts are fine, but not the extremely fake looking bright blue ones, they're way too jarring. Pic related.
I thought that a farmer made an unfunny edit to highlight his autism or something - but this is official??? lmao
In other news, Amber released a new song just days after scandal. Does she really think she will be let off the hook so easily? I-fans are the only ones who care about her
I really wonder why SM is still keeping her: her "music" flops and she seems to no longer work in Korea at all, you only see her doing collabs with american youtubers.
Oh, I missed that.
But how does she survive, if sm no longer provides for her? Fx wasn't popular enough to save much money and her income now must be close to zero?
Posted 10 hours ago, only 47 upvotes on r/kpop. Oof
. Ngl I liked “Other People” though. Nothing groundbreaking but a pleasant enough 80s synthpop track. But Amber just doesn’t have what it takes to be a soloist I don’t think, even setting aside the recent controversy.
Doubt they care. Maybe giving them too much credit but I get the feeling theyre kinda over it. Grammys would mean even more posing as token asian horse n pony show, answering inane interview Qs, pretending they don't hate america while wishing theyre back in sk w/ their preferred fans & food, struggling English, pretending they don't secretly hate each other etc etc. They can't even mingle or party during u.s. activities bc they've set a precedent for always vlogging for fans after
All idol have a major emotional labor component, but bts is next level. I don't blame those lovelyz girls above, imagine how tiring pretending you love your incel/femcel fans & having your every strand of hair under scrutiny 24/7.
For this reason i kinda doubt any of them are truly on the spectrum only bc I think they'd snap or at least break the facade way more often..24/7 acting takes toll on anyone but autism spectrum, even mild, = even less stress tolerance. Incidentally v seems to break most often, tho, so u could be on to something anon.
Am I bugging out or is she shamelessy trying to copy Doja Cat?
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his own fans were saying he was autistic at one point kek
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RM tryin it with the afro looks urked me the most. like wtf. his hair is very much not that texture, but some of their early work, he really had that hair and tried to ignore it happened. Did he ever apologise for it?
>>63524>Speech difficulties, going nonverbal, getting easily stressed out and overwhelmed in crowds, fidgeting
But he doesn't do that…? To me he comes across as very extroverted, albeit arrogant.
He sometimes spaces off but so does Jk and many others (nearly all female idols), either because they're tired or because they know that their fans love the deer-in-the-headlights look.
And it pays off, just look who the most popular in each group is, always the ones who look or act "cute".
Lmao, what's the plot gonna be? Fat delusional murican kboos travel to seoul to become idols and fuck oppars?
I bet kpoppies will absolutely looove
a foreigner doing this /s
Police duty requires passing a separate entrance exam which I doubt most of them have the brains to pass. I'm guessing they'll claim long-term injuries as an excuse to do lighter duty>>63457
I went on holiday to India last month and one of their big high-end stores played Bad Boy and Kiss and Make Up, but mall BG music isn't much of an indicator for public relevance anywhere in the world. Most people just concentrate on their shopping/eating/whatever>>63463
Sucker hit #1 on the singles chart and was top 10 for quite a few months. That kind of longevity is something that BTS hasn't yet achieved and probably never will
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Theres so much to unpack re manufactured idol personalities (& the younger the fan, the more they believe it's real) This pic feels like some insight into it.. tzuyu gets a lot of shit for always wearing that bored blank stare but maybe she's just trying to be always camera ready bc she knows she looks weird if she's not self monitoring?
Dahyun's camera finding thing might be staged. RM & Jackson's "friendship" is absolutely staged, also the group chats idols claim to share w/ other idols their age (I bet that did happen organically like, once, & fans loved it so everyone copied)
RM's whole clumsiness thing is fake or at least very exaggerated. I bet he broke something once & bigshit thought it was funny so told him to keep doing it. If he truly had issues w/ proprioception he wouldn't be so smooth w/ stuff like jumping off the table for Dionysus, walking the bleacher stairs on that one mma perf, etc.
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Samefag, this pic also is sooo freaky to me bc I've never seen this expression on him, he legitimately looks like a different person. Obviously it's a candid, some fan/pap surprised him but it's verrryy eerie to me..I understand if others don't see why tho.
Man Id kill for raw footage of these ppl IRL, no cameras.>>63519>>63522
Amber's solo stuff is terrible. The "borders" one is so cringe, i almost couldn't believe it was sincere & not just a campy one-off done just for fun or something
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How boombayah isn't a club song ? Dududu, if remixed is ok as well (the other song that I heard in another gay club).
It isn't about the songs, it's about nobody knowing them kek
Yep. And theyre all acting all the time, that's why these pics are wild. Genuine candid reactions are rare. idols know they're being filmed everywhere. + fansites/media scrub the unflattering pics>>63726
You know exactly what I meant, but good try attempting to argue. No cameras as in not working, don't know they're being filmed. Doesn't have to be sub rosa tier stalking, just anything showing idols being their real selves. Jimin breaking character in the last thread was prime "tea" as the kids would say kek
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Nta but I took two photos from the article so no one has to waste time clicking a link
Top is korean makeup bottom is American
I feel like only rm and jk even want to go to the us - rm because he wants to be the next kanye (but in woke and deep) and jk because he loves generic pop singers like justin bieber. Rm obviously already speaks english and jk at least always says he wants to learn (but is too dumb to make much progress), however the rest looks like they couldn't care less.
I don't know much about nct but I can imagine that their korean members also aren't too thrilled about being constantly forced to try and make it there.
Can't really fault them for that, most people would probably prefer staying in their native country.
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Do people that do this to themselves think they look good?
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“ the announcement comes as part of the governments reform bill that aims to tighten rules for alternative military service”http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20191121000307
Uh oh!!!!!! Looks like none of our oppas are getting special treatment !!! :(
I know it’s not true but I like to think that SK is just so sick and tired of bts that they passed this bs to force them to retire sooner :)
I wouldn't even say it's shooped but after losing so fast he'll definitely yoyo back>[+403, -7] Since when is 99 kg considered handsome?????????????????>[+8, -1] He looks like Bang Shi Hyuk>>63762
Using lolcow as an example is dumb, this is an obviously very niche site, your average women doesn't act like us, plus the chances that an idol will ever come across what we write here is highly unlikely. We're talking about people who write hate comments to idols directly, either on korean news articles, on their social media or even through fanmail. There have been several cases of hate commenters being sued by companies and they nearly always turned out to be middle aged men.
Latest example http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2019/11/son-naeun-shocked-at-hate-commenter.html?m=1>"Really?" Even Son Naeun is surprised at identity of hate commenter, middle-aged male graduate of S Law School>The person sending bomb threats to A-Pink was a man too.>And the person who kept creating pornographic images of Suzy and claiming they were real? A man.>Oh right, and the person who claimed that Jisoo from Lovelyz had raped her and posted pictures to prove it? Yeah, that turned out to be a man… and the "proof" photos were from porn.
There can be not one negative comment in sight and men still immediately start reeing about jealous females
who supposedly hate on every attractive idol while hyping up ugly whasa or slutty hyuna.
I also saw an article on why there are no famous female mcs and men tried to write it off as "women don't want to watch them, women are womens biggest enemies", as if the entertaiment industry isn't completely rigged in favour for men. Even female comedians are supposed to look pretty meanwhile male idols like shindong expect praise for weighing less than 100kg.
>>63793>Using lolcow as an example is dumb, this is an obviously very niche site, your average women doesn't act like us
Then what about lsa, pull, guru gossip, girls channel, the edgy side of stan twit, etc.? The rude pann commenters sound exactly like users from those female-dominated sites and lc too, nothing about them sounds inherently male. And I think that example you used is the article >>63770
>they nearly always turned out to be middle aged men.
Retarded boomers are worse at covering their tracks, who woulda thought.
Bizarre to see a manhate anon cross posting in here of all threads(derailing)
Yes, you read it wrong. >>63804
Saying that men make disgusting comments towards female idols isn't manhate
What do you want? Should we all repent "yes we're so evil, we're all jealous women-haters who always post mean hate comments, unlike men, who'd never do such things"…?
You thinking they "sound" female doesn't mean a thing, these men being found out isn't an exception, unless further investigations prove the opposite. Plus saying girls who don't smile 24/7 are bitches and making sexually harrassing comments towards their bodies is not a male thing, are you sure…?
And like I already said before, there's a difference between posting on anonymous sites (especially non-korean ones) and going to an idols instagram and telling her she's a slut who deserve to die.
Since they announced that bts will be the first performers at the jingle ball, ratmys are super giddy joking about how half the audience is going to clear out before the other performers go on, it's super annoying. They're also already working themselves up over how many songs bts are going to do. from r/bangtan:>I’m expecting 5-6 songs. Anything more is great. Anything less is disrespectful.
lol what? they need to get a grip
both look pretty okay. the korean makeup looks more like a 'no makeup'/natural' makeup look while the american one is more edgy/sexy >>63785
super junior had an old fanbase. 12 year olds move on fast. plus, aren't there like 15 members of the group? there was enough members to keep the hype going with variety shows and subunits >>63804
it's not manhate. incels and misogynists exist and they are pretty loud and proud about it in korean comment sections. of course women hate on women but we do it mostly on our own websites.
And the reason for this is that they want to prove how much better they are than monsta x who performed in an half empty stadium last year.
I bet the same ratmys who pretended to be angry at disrespectful americans leaving before them are now planning to do the very same to whoever is after bts.
If this really happens, then I can already smell the next negative bbc article kek>How fans of this popular kpop act once again show that they lack basic respect>reeee get your facts straight those were not real army quit painting all of us in negatively!1!1 lets report this unprofessional writer to bighit
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This is probably him
This is old news, anon…
At least post her new "dissertation" (if she even made any) instead of this, it's been discussed already.
I think Anon referred to why Jungkook couldn't improve his English.
In my opinion what you talk about is a completely different situation beacause those idols who you just mentioned have been living in Korea for years now an are surrounded by that language on a daily basis. They learn Korean (indirectly) even if the don't wan to, while they would have to make time for themselves to learn actively any other language (English, etc..)
Wow this looks awful. Whats up with all the weird little camera cuts? She’s not the best dancer and def isn’t the best in all of kpop.
She’s only hyped as a dancer cause YG only gives her dance shit and hypes it up
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sometimes i stumble upon these, never fail to crack me up a bit.
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Wtf is up with the heart tattoo, it looks wrong
His nickname at debut was like "V Alien" because he's always been ~quirky~ and ~weird!!~. Is it possible that he's just playing up the image so much because his company has always wanted him to? And maybe that he's not actually autistic but read through the criteria for diagnosis and faking the mannerisms.
I really wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, considering he's under the same company that's shitty enough to send out a survey to fans about their mental illnesses to later rebrand & capitalize upon the mentally ill.
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Wtf is this hair??? Is it junglooks goal to look as stupid as possible these days or..???
That's what normal mens hands look like, anon… He dances and works out a lot, and is probably too lazy to put on lotion like every other dude as well>>63988
What am I even supposed to see here?
People need to quit overanalyzing every tiny detail
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At least post a decent pic if you want to nitpick.
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jimincel looks so awkward here kek
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Leave Jikook alone!!
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leave taekook alone!
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I'm not the only one who finds Matthew creepy, right?
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FU whoever that is, Jikook <3
Anyone knows which video is it?
He's an eNtErTaiNeR too so it's along the same lines of all the fake gay fan service. It's all meant to be just over the line for attention. I wonder what knetz really think of him>>64053
She has to be a plant…sm "favor" fave or chaebol kid. Nothing about her justifies her placement. Plenty of untalented idols do at least bring something to their group…yeri's got nothing so ya she is sus>>63959
No. Are you 12? You've clearly never seen them irl before. Embarrassing reach
And hand tats fade fast, I think y'all are trippin over nothing. These aren't a serious life long commitment lmao calm down
she's definitely a chaebol kid. according to reveluvs (grain of salt
) sm staff kept saying she was one of the best trainee they had so they added her to red velvet instead of the upcoming sm group. they probably said that cause her rich parents give them a bonus to debut her sooner kek
Way late sry but idg this, are you under the impression there's an expiration date on the gay fan service? I imagine they'll keep doing it as long as fans want it + it keeps putting $$ in bigshits pocket. Idk why you think it's officially inappropriate now (it always has been, unofficially but that's a diff topic altogether ha)>>63973
If this is really your pov this isn't the thread for you. Fans of a thing learn details of that thing, then posts come from said fans keeping up on the news of that thing. Is this your first time on the internet?
General convo by nonfans, like general observations of bad songs, bad ps etc are observations literally anyone can make & this thread is well beyond that (at least it was before this recent influx of twitter refugees who refuse to integrate) If you can't see why someone would know an idols name i can't imagine why you'd care about anything in this thread
There's a difference between knowing the most popular groups or keeping up with "news" like on netizenbuzz, and knowing every tiny detail about absolute nugus or overanalyzing V's expression in every pic that's out there (plus talking about it for days). That's more than just keeping up with kpop milk.
Some people here have admitted to having been a fan when they were kids (and therefore knowing about shit that happened 5-10 years ago), I do have a soft spot for some of the old idols I liked back then, but there's no excuse for farmers who very obviously watch every loona or nct video - unless you were underage until yesterday…
Not a fan of EXO but I gotta laugh. Him shaking his ana bones around and talking fast isn't talent. At least EXO leaves the producing to the professionals and comes out with some music that doesn't sound like pots and pans. Taeyong got ps to resemble Jaejoong cause he is the most successful idol ever. SM wants that again. >>64081
Shes probably 'comfortable' cause he's been doing this for years around her. He is a creepy stage dad that needs to stop pimping out his kids.
The lyrics she's written aren't nearly enough to justify her status
That solo song is boring as any iu drama ballad & the mv looks like a bad powerpoint, almost as bad as minzy's solo mv
Her voice is so bad I'd actually pay for a version of milkshake without her grating nasal "rap".. & that's saying a lot since Ive spent literally only $4 usd on kpop in six yrs
Other talentless idols contribute to their groups in other ways thru visuals, personality, acting, leadership. Other "ugly" idols make an effort to turn things around…like Umji or Soyeon both still get shit for their visuals but you can't say they aren't trying. Yeri is a total mystery, def someone or something is behind it
>>64076>Scamyong is talented, hardworking, good-looking, and has obvious star quality.
Lmao get out of his ass, he's an anorexic midget who spazzes around on stage and calls that art. Plus, he bullied his classmates to an extreme degree, no normal person likes him.
I guess this one >>64019
is yours as well…
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Taeyong is always wearing thick insoles. Doyoung’s listed height is 178cm and Taeyong’s is 175cm. Does this look like a 3cm height difference? And I’m sure Doyoung isn’t even 178cm.
Whether he's short or of average height doesn't even matter anon, fact is that he's not the amazing godlike creature you make him out to be.
Stanning some untalented uggo is one thing, but caping this hard for a bully…
Not any of these anons but are you not aware idols are frequently cast precisely because their stats are considered more attractive than the average Korean? It's called the entertainment industry lmao
On top of that male idols wear insoles & fudge their official heights/stats to be higher. Female idols have their heights/weights fudged to be lower.
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They are so fucking gross !! Who does that kind of shit ?
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nta but i looked up a pic and taeyong has to be 171 cm at most… especially if you factor in the fact that they wear thick boots and insoles.
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Johnny’s head is cropped but this
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Also this looks fucking gross
People who are trying to make it in entertainment, to get attention publicity etc
I'm not saying it's cool I'm saying we're doing exactly what they want kek. Her dad's pretty shameless
Does anyone remember the pineapple discussion from a few threads ago? I dug pretty deep trying to find more on that but couldn't find anything, can anyone link me or is it just that no one's written about it in English?
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Yes he does he has a juicy booty
or hint…thread #20
if you can't figure out how to ctrl+f for a quick search, i can't help you there friend
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since some anons seem to think taeyong’s lyrics are so good, they should know that he literally admitted his shortness in a song
and you linked the oh_mes2 tweet instead of the article
who cares if it's an article or a tweet from oh_mes2 you sperg>>64142
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Sad, but not really a surprise.
I remember "defending her" from some cunts a while ago.
Suzy really seems to be the only one out of the 2nd gen female idols who debuted super young but miraculously turned out alright.
IU just had a comeback, she must be devastated losing her two best friends within weeks.
All of these suicides end up as some excuse/argument to censor basically everything instead of people looking and companies that debuted these idols and likely gave them no mental health support ever. That and their society in general.
It's fucking dumb.
her first failed suicided attempt was never taken serious by the press and demeed fake and scened for attention.
people don’t care unless these celebrites end up dead,and that lasts for a few weeks before they move on.all these deaths have no impact on how women are treated and spoken about in media.
there's a reason she became so close with sulli and IU right after going through that whole shit with her abusive
piece of shit ex boyfriend and the abuse the korean public hurled at her. all 3 of them face/d constant misogynistic abuse and it's honestly depressing as shit that seemingly nobody wants to talk about this.i hope IU has a rock solid support system i sincerely fear for her life at this point
Misogyny might have fuelled her mental illness but in the end she commited suicide because she was depressed and no longer had the will to live.
Mental illness needs to be talked about just as much as misogyny. >>64155
She was very good friends with them already years before that, don't try to twist the truth to fit your rethoric.
In the end those comments from farmers are
sexist, seeing as men who try to commit are believed. "Attention whore" is a title usually only given to women.
But nevertheless, not writing bullshit like that isn't "censoring", they were clearly only mocking her.
I'm a radfem too but please don't turn somebody who's been in a ruthless industry since they were a child killing themselves into a general all problems are caused because women in korea are treated shitty thing. She debuted as a young teen and later was beaten and raped by her bf - and nobody, not men and not women, believed her. This is not the experience of an average woman.
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You sound way too sure of yourself on this for someone who clearly has no idea how korean society works. Domestic violence and rape is a huge huge issue in SK and yes, her experience was absolutely amplified due to being in a toxic
industry, I never said otherwise. But to ignore the fact that misogyny is a huge big problem in SK is just being willfully ignorant.
>pic related and from actual koreans(>>>/pinkpill/)
You sound as if you feel guilty and try to push the blame as far away from you as possible>m-my hate comments towards her don't matter, it's korea's fault!
Everybody who didn't believe her is no better than those korean men.
Right? I was going to say if >>64159
is a radfem she's a pretty shitty one. Imagine calling yourself a radfem and having no idea how widespread and systemic abuse of women is in patriarchal societies (like SK). She probably thinks radfem means "hates trannies" and has never read an actual feminist work.
SK is so awful for women, isn't it the worst OECD in for women's rights?
Does anybody remember the show that was the main cause Hara's career ending?
Kyuhyun said "She's the dating-dol (meaning she's the idol who dates the most = a slut). If I open my mouth, Hara will be over." Then she started crying and all the hate comments started.
His fans tried to defend him by saying that this is the show's concept and that he was pressured to do this, but while the older mc were invasive too, he was by far the worst.>>64190
He opened a new hair salon just shortly after he was declared "innocent", he obviously doesn't care…
not all of them. someone posted this on reddit yesterday and i got spooked by how skinny she is
(go to 4:50 or so)
Ikr? The hobbit? Kek did he not want to call himself a dwarf?
>I want you to be afraid of me>Be meaner to me
Why does he contradict himself? His lyrics are retarded
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Mamamoo is just as skinny as all other groups, they just like to pretend they're different.
Moonbyul is one of the most ana looking idols out there - and she lost a lot of weight predebut meaning she's definitely not naturally skinny.
I always wonder how come they act so westernized yet also do racist things? They act as if they eat tons, are "curvy", wear weave + baddie makeup + longass fake nails, act lesbian, don't wear bras, are "badass",… They totally remind me of the Jenners and Hadids, how they're spoiled and rich af models but then pose with burgers and speak about feminism.
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not to defend him but he said that when recording that song he was made to change some of the ”me/i” to ”you” making it sound weird. i guess the original (pic) was too subby for sm kek
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She looks like freakin Yoshiki from xjapan
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Political twitter are making their takes now, unfortunately
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She's absolutely right. But all fans in her retweets for once are acting mature and agree with her, so…
Hara probably lost a very important friend and confidant in Sulli, if they were close and Hara was already suicidal I could see how it pushed her over the edge.
But Knetz are terrible and culpable for blaming Hara initially when she got into a scandal with her ex boyfriend and embroiled in a court case, then for trying to search for Choi Jungbum's revenge porn of Hara on Naver. Wasn't there a blind item of a celeb being blackmailed by her ex, I think it was definitely Hara and even til today I think her ex possibly has some compromising material of her that she fears will go public. It's very sad but I completely understand her fears because SK will blame her for getting nudes leaked and for dating bad boys even if she was a victim
What's the difference between "dead inside" and "tired after performing a 2 hour concert"? Kek. I look dead inside after running a half marathon too but it's not because I'm depressed.
BTS are among the least exploited groups in Kpop since Bigshit is a small agency with a CEO who said he started his own firm after JYP to give idols better treatment. Still I have zero doubt Jungkook is not a well-adjusted adult after debuting too young and missing out on a normal adolescence with schoolmates and friendships. Debuting very young seems to have done Hara and Sulli harm too, Korea should maybe ban under 17s from debuting in the entertainment industry because training, living in dorms and idol schedules separate them from their family too young and make them ripe for exploitation and harassment.
Women in Kpop have a worse time than BTS or male idols in general since most male idols have loyal fangirls who shield their scandals and attack their gfs (Mijoo lmao) whereas female idols are dropped like a hot potato by male fans who stan some new girl if their faves have a boyfriend. Hara got slutshamed by Kyuhyun for dating but I bet he wouldnt call out a male idol for dating or visiting host bars or escorts.
This is what I hate when cases like Hara's one happens. All of a sudden, they all know who's depressed and how they feel.
I actually feel disgusted that once a death occurs, suddenly everyone cares for the person. Yeah, sure. It's such a big hypocrisy. Those fans choose to support the industry as long as their fantasies are satisfied. They don't care those people are more and more exploited because those fans keep feeding the companies with money. They see them tired but don't bat an eye cuz they need their new contents constantly. Then, they use death for suddenly showing how "caring" they are.
Tbf most ifans only support their oppars through streaming, the real reason groups like exo or bts (and therefore also their companies) are so rich are wealthy af korean and chinese women who are willing to spend millions on their favs, like buying 1000s of copies at once. So at least they're not financially aiding the industry.>>64234
Somebody in that very same twitter thread pointed out that she/he is often at metal concerts and while the artists are also extremely exhausted it's still different from how kpop idols look like.
I think it's good when ratmys like >>64225
acknowledge that bighit isn't a caring family, that bts are not in control and overjoyed about everything their company has them do. I mean, some other ratmys really do believe that the childish act they put on for videos is their real personality, so that's an improvement already… And in the end it's not a competition of who has it worse. Some idols might be decked in gucci and traveling the world, but they're still puppets who'd lose everything if they tried to break free.
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sorry for the garbage quality but holy fuck what is going on with rat monster
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someone said he looked like a cabbage patch kid
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it doesnt even look human kek
(ntayrt) you could've just said "i know", we all know you're op.
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Maybe not the same but this pose gets me & idk why. They're not doing anything, but somehow it is so gross to me..? & all male idols do it (its the director/photog telling them ofc, but still)
A worthwhile drinking game might be kpop boy group mvs on a loop & you drink every time a guy wipes his lip kek i'm fascinated by this kind of thing tho, like who even started that? Who decided it was sexy or cool? It def wasn't the western entertainment industry. And the girls do it too
"I wanna play with your heartbeat…fade away until I can't hear it anymore"
Uh is this him basically describing slowly murdering the girl? Weird choice of words lol
The audience for boy groups are teenagers generally but for girl groups the audience are generally adult men which is creepy.
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Top is so stupid, everybody already hates him, he should have just stayed quiet.
Hara wished him a happy bday, he ignored her and now posted screenshots of it, making himself look like a complete ass>i failed to reply to ur last text even tho it was a bday congratulation.. im so sorry hara, i hope ur resting in a good place..
Why are people still supporting BigBang members when its clear they still are friends with Seungri…how do these people even have careers anymore? Would you really spend money on a group just because the 'problematic
' member is gone? How are kpop stans so sure that the rest of the group are pure angels who never wanted anything to do with the 'problematic
' member? I will never understand how all these groups with cancelled members still generate mass amounts of revenue, especially after reports came out that YG was using BP's tour revenue to gamble. Isn't it obvious that these guys are just gonna use your profits for drugs and to hire more prostitutes for their lavish parties? While you're sitting at home streaming an MV…
since all we do here is speculating— I honestly don’t think so. She had a suicide attempt earlier this year, was dropped from all her Korean representation, and stayed alive until she returned to her home in Korea from Japanese promotions/touring. I don’t think she was back in Korea full time for more than a week; when Sulli died, she was still in Japan. I’m willing to bet that her Japanese team was some sort of support system that checked in on her regularly—Hara wasn’t found by her concerned manager this time, but by a cleaning lady.
Jonghyun killed himself immediately after concluding his solo commitments, Sulli released an album months before dying; they were all about to turn 30.
I think anyone with any vague suspicions about how empty, late capitalist, and painful wasting away your youth and independence for Korean idol child stardom, watching those projects fade as the next hot things replace you, and living in a society focused on appearances and metrics w/o any safe haven for inner turmoil/weakness/mental illness…
like, who the fuck knows what was going through her head, but these are all facts; it shouldn’t be so confusing to draw some conclusions about why this is becoming an increasingly frequent pattern.
Child actor is different to idol, I think acting is less intensive whereas idols have 24/7 schedules and do fanservice.
Anyway Hara was very affected by her revenge porn scandal. Everyone is blaming her exbf but Knetz on Naver said a ton of shit like "Live quietly you have a sex video out there" "Do you have any shame?" "She wanted to film a video how stupid" "The police saw your sex video what a slut" etc AFTER her scandal when she restarted using social media. It was so sad. Maybe the reason she went to Japan was because Korea shunned her after her breakup and court case, she had trouble promoting on broadcasting tv channels.
>>64336>>I think anyone with any vague suspicions about how empty, late capitalist, and painful wasting away your youth and independence for Korean idol child stardom, watching those projects fade as the next hot things replace you, and living in a society focused on appearances and metrics w/o any safe haven for inner turmoil/weakness/mental illness
What a bunch of nonsense, as if being a millionaire Kpop idol owning buildings like Hara or Sulli at 25 is worse than working a dead end job and struggling to pay rent like 80% of millennials in the capitalist system.
The real problem is that Kpop idols like Sulli and Hara got slutshamed and discriminated in their workplace after dating men who turned out to be trash. Sulli was blamed for breaking up F(x) after dating Choiza and all her fans turned on her, the question is why can't female idols date without being treated as scum who ought to lose their job? It's misogyny pure and simple.
Hara was no longer an idol when her scandal came out but she got played by a bastard and the #1 search term on Korean websites was "Goo Hara sex video" with lots of people calling her a thug for fighting with her bf and slut for filming a video. Even before that Kyuhun called her out for dating and she got hate for having a bf pre-debut. It's all really weird how SK has Madonna whore complex and any female idol who isn't a pure virginal caricature is ostracized and bullied.
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Don't drink the koolaid, Jimin is just as ugly. His personality and endless whiny sob story just keeps fans hooked. It's some kind of stockholm syndrome
I've always thought he looks like a furby, idk why>>64328
Obviously not what I meant.
I've never seen an american/european singer do this in an mv. Kpop is full of hand gestures like this, im curious where they originated and how they became the norm
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Ngl, it's a pretty close race>>64341
Ratmon stans don't exist, at least not organically. They are pity fans trying to be "not like other girls"
I do like some of what I see from rm in terms of personality, leadership & stuff. He is the only one w/ any semblance of people skills. But in the group he just blends into the background, even more than jin (& jhope is a more convincing rapper/performer to me despite having no experience) Its not lack of talent per se he just doesn't have what it takes to really put on a show. I don't think any rm solo project would survive
Lol, a kboo who truly believes idols lives are enviable.
Sulli was a literal child star, and anyone who thinks that would be preferable to being a typical overworked millennial is seriously projecting. Sorry that you’re too poor and narcissistic to realize there are other ways to suffer in life besides your own.
The truth is that if you’re over 30, most idols have no future, period. It’s grim and the result of an inhumane system of manufacturing a constant stream of new, better, shinier pop stars built on the hopes and dreams of impressionable teens.
They killed themselves; they didn’t just die because of misogyny… if female idols killed themselves over extreme sexual harassment, half of Twice would be dead already.
Actual Koreans are wishing they get born into a “peasant,” “normal” existence in their next life, not be reincarnated as men.
no i don't, because im not a loser ass stan like you>>64372
lol how embarrassing. that whole account is sad. anon needs to go outside and get some friends
What exactly did Twice go through that's comparable to being groomed at 15 by a gross old rapper or being abused, possibly raped, and threatened with revenge porn by someone else in the industry?
And Hara is a bad example because her group was one of the few kpop groups Japan actually gave a shit about. Other girls in her group are actors in Japan now, why couldn't she do the same, especially since she was the most popular member?
Throwback to when Daniel Kang was marketed as some broke idol when in reality dude lives lavishly af.
If you're from a successful group you're definitely not broke, that and most idols seem to have decent connections to their rich parents.
That being said, their careers will pretty much be over as soon as they hit a certain age or as soon as their group 'breaks up' or someone else replaces them. But even then, they have a fair shot at appearing on variety shows, continuing a solo career or modelling so it's not all doom and gloom.
Most idols are not broke af, even the nugu ones who are stuck without work resort to BJ or Youtube as a second career like Ellin or Way where they get fans to donate 6 figure sums. None of you are Korean so you don't know that even the nugu idols do photoshoots for online malls, or social media ads that don't make international Kpop news. They try to get roles in musicals, stage plays or dramas. Many get married and become fulltime moms like Soyul because that's a respectable career in Korea. Kara and f(x) are not even nugu tier idols, they were super famous and Sulli and Hara were the visuals so they were very popular IT girls in Korea. That is worlds away from being a former nugu idol of a group like Berry Good or Crayon Pop. Hara owned a building and played golf in her spare time and Sulli holidayed all over the world while doing ads for SK Telecom and Etude which are top Korean brands.
All this nonsense about idols becoming irrelevant at 25 is a Western fantasy. They could retire and live like Dara, Minzy or Eugene, Shoo, Bada quite comfortably with their own properties and collect rent without having to stress over money. Sulli and Hara lived in big houses alone and came from broken famillies, when they got bullied online and felt depressed they probably didnt have any support, I think Hara relied on Sulli (look at TOP ignoring her texts) as an outlet.
If they were Westerners theyd probably be like Selena Gomez or Lindsay Lohan, tabloid scandal fodder but living well on the money they earned as child or teen stars. But South Korea ostracizes women who are caught in dating or sex scandals and Knetz and Ilbe incels can harrass them anonynously online for shit like filming sex videos (the court ruled that Hara did not object to filming the video after watching it and gave her ex BF a suspended sentence for threatening to spread the video post-breakup) or Choiza's rap lyrics about Sulli in Eat Sleep Fucking. In the eyes of Korean society these women are sluts because they dated trash dudes publicly and got into scandals, even their own families or relatives treat them less well and it's hard for a Korean woman to get married to a decent Korean man and not be looked down upon by her in laws
when people gossip about her past. Baek Jiyoung had a leaked sex tape in the 2000s and overcame it successfully but Knetz are vicious nowadays. In the West nobody would kill themselves over scandalous lyrics or a sex tape but in Korea it's enough to derail your career and get you side-eyed by colleagues, family and friends. Kpop suicides aren't a common thing among nugu idols but Hara and Sulli are IT girls who became "dirty" in the public's eyes and shunned.
Most idols come from rich families. They are not
I also thought about that but don't think mods would allow it. There are already too many kpop threads (though kpop general and female idol spam aren't active anyway).
Plus the non-bts thread would just get flooded by nct or loona fags instead kek
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I feel like idols being broke/rich is missing the point…
Jonghyun, Hara (though she was neglected and abused as a child), and Sulli all had successful groups that made tons of $$, and hopefully good savings and investments.
Maybe they even had enough money to restart their lives somewhere else!
But just like you can cherry pick examples from fucking crayon pop, you can find plenty of examples of each of these 3 saying they <u>regretted becoming idols</u>.
Korea is def misogynistic, idolizes capitalist values of success above personal happiness, has a toxic
internet culture, and has a higher suicide rate than Japan (who used to be #1.) All of those things can be true, contributing factors…
AND I’m sure being a 27/28 yo idol, especially in Korea (no graduation = no escape), with very few opportunities for the future, constantly criticized for aging or changing, stuck as fuck… at the very least exacerbates things.
That girl who trained with SNSD but never debuted was mentally ill and suicidal without any scandals or harassment campaigns. Something about the K-system is obviously profoundly fucked.
Most idols get forgotten, have no shot at variety (as if that has anything to do with happiness!!), and thrown away—by shitty netizens and literal opportunity loss to younger groups. There is no graceful transition from idol life to being a normal person that doesn’t involve continuing to be public facing and/or rich. It sounds miserable.
Again, really sorry that you think access to money and celebrity cancel out suffering, mental illness, loneliness, and a culture of secrecy surrounding literally anything authentic about your life. Go read a book on Buddhism or smt, lol.
ONCE AGAIN, being an old idol, aging, having younger idols debut and take your spot doesn't make people kill themselves (this happens to entertainment industry folks everywhere
and they get plastic surgery or move onto solo projects or do production work), it's like saying Selena Gomez did drugs til her liver failed because she is depressed that she is too old to act on Disney channel. That's a dumb theory. Sulli and Hara were ostracized by other idols (Kyuhyun saying Hara will be ruined if he reveals her dating history on Radio Star and TOP ignoring her birthday greeting) and even their own relatives too because they were tabloid fodder, their image after doing Rotta photoshoots was bad and Knetz even gossipped about their bralessness or wardrobe malfunctions as if they were attention seekers who wanted to show skin. People said Hara moved to Japan after her sex tape scandal (the guy got off too lightly without jailtime and Knetz called her a slut for willingly making a sex video) and suicide attempt because Japanese people think nothing of porn so her scandal is no big deal there but in Korea people can't accept it.
Hara was sexually assaulted:Hara dated hairdresser Choi Jong-bum after the two first met on the set of the beauty TV program My Mad Beauty Diary.
 (Another JTBC program indirectly causing the death of an idol) At around 1 a.m of September 13, 2018, Choi broke into Hara's house drunk while she was sleeping and started an argument that escalated into violent assault, when he allegedly tried to break up with her. The police arrived at Hara’s house after Choi reported her for assault. Hara claimed that the incident was two-sided and that both parties posted images of the aftermath to the internet. During the incident, Hara suffered from uterus and vagina hemorrhage, and was also diagnosed with “cervical sprain”, “facial contusions and sprain”, “lower leg contusions and sprain”, and “right forearm and additional sprains.”
 Following this, Hara filed a lawsuit against Choi for threatening to uploading a sex video of her to end her career. During the first trial held on April 18, 2019, Choi denied most charges but admitted that he was responsible only for the destruction of property. In August, he was acquitted of the charge of filming the victim
’s body without permission but was sentenced to a prison sentence of one year and six months, suspended for three years of probation after being convicted of intimidating, coercing, physically assaulting, and destroying Hara's property.
Wonder if she knew too much about some other scandal:
Following her death, a petition was submitted to the blue house with over 200,000 signatures demanding a more severe punishment for filming sexual acts without consent and distributing it. Moreover, it was revealed that Hara helped Reporter Kang Kyung-yoon investigate Jung Joon-young’s chatroom case prior to her death.
Source: Newsen via Nate
1. [+501, -46] What an embarrassment to the country
2. [+412, -36] Let's start by getting into the Billboard and Grammys first
3. [+375, -41] Please know your place ㅎㅎ
4. [+71, -4] So damn embarrassing
5. [+66, -4] The super bowl ㅋㅋㅋ the half time show is a stage that even groups like Maroon 5 get hate on
6. [+64, -3] So embarrasing, why would you embarrass us like that..
wouldnt be surprised if they get it with the connections in the states.
I hate koreaboo, but its a link at least. basically she wanted to help after hearing about jjy's nasty ass chatroom. She told the reporter she'd live for herself and other girls who are in similar situations. KKY stated he even contacted Hara after Sulli's death and told her to keep strong.
I wonder if it was too much for her to handle, or if something more nefarious is going on
The new rules go into effect Jan. 3, 2020.
Moving forward, in order for an album sale to be counted as part of a merchandise/album bundle, all the items in the bundle must also be available for purchase concurrently and individually on the same website. In addition, the merchandise item sold on its own will have to be priced lower than the bundle which includes both the merchandise and the album. Further, merchandise bundles can only be sold in an artist's official direct-to-consumer web store and not via third-party sites.
The new policies do not affect albums that are part of a concert ticket/album sale redemption offer bundle, ….
well, so no real change at all.
no, wont be anyone from that circle.
they are doing just fine.
lmao Taeyeon looked like she was living her best life and didn't give a fuck when sulli died so i doubt a person as narcissistic as taeyeon would off herself.
Now Hara on the other hand was already suicidal before,hated and her best friends (sulli) suicide pushed her over the edge.
bts grew into what they are now.(despite things such as sm trying to hinder them)
sperm is booking everything on connections and money to push them.
(before im accused of stanning,I couldnt care less for any idol. i dont know them = i dont care. its merely temp entertainment)
gotta give it to lsm though, seems like he finally found out that the missing ingredient in his cookbook was social activism. fans will eat it up.
Selena and the other disney stars didn't get hate for being too old for disney channel like these idols got hate for being too old to be idols. People congratulate disney stars who transition from being too old for disney to the music/adult acting industry. Idols who are 'too old' for being an idol are brutally attacked for acting like adults. For crying out loud Miley Cyrus did not get as much viscous hate as Hara and Sulli did and she was arguably more controversial (at least, the love was louder than the hate). And it's not just the idols being old that cause them to commit suicide. Stop being obtuse. >>64424
Her fans say she's depressed so who knows. Plus, like you said, we shouldn't be speculating more suicides.
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from popcrush interview.
this is really what they are going for.
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Came across this pic by accident & wow im stunned, is this shooped? I always thought they were all pretty similar proportions wise, both face & body. Is this why bom's ps went south so fast? Too many procedures in striving for the small face thing?
I feel like maybe we can't understand this unless you're actually in korea up close with these ppl. Photos & video are tricky.>>64430
Sperm/lsm & social activism – what are you referring to?
lsm figured the key ingredient for bts success is social activism/signalling. -involving company/groups in social stuff for clout to get western validation.
he is now using it to push sperm (and nct/nugus next year).
-unicef world children day song by sm artists.
-lsm made head producer global goal live
-sperm donates song proceeds to global poverty project
-sperm, boa, exo to perform at global goal live with usher, red hot chili peppers, mettalica, coldplay etc.
this is also why sperm had to debut this year. now they can attend the major concert as they have been so successful already.
rather well organized.
I think so too, especially this comment just screams ratmy>I know BTS songs but I don't know any of theirs ㅋㅋㅋ I'm a man in his forties, by the way
Someone pointed out that bts is just as manufactored as all other groups and that they used bundles too and got downvoted to hell lol>so what?! they only did it once!1!1
Lsm is somebody who unironically deserves to be called boomer. Literally anybody could tell him that this is not how sperm is going to work. You can't just declare you're a sjw muricaboo and have people immediately flog to you. It only makes everybody hate on the members. What's more likely, baekhyun dreaming of performing at the superbowl or him being told to say so? Same for taeyong yelling "mom, I'm on ellen!". She's korean why would she know or care about that, she probably didn't even understand him.
>>64448>I'm gonna miss slutty aoa.
…? You miss underage girls having to show their panties while pretending to be cats in front of hordes of screaming creeps?
I'm happy that the whole thing worked out for them. It's truly a small miracle how they went from famous to absolutely hated and nearly irrelevant to being popular again, but this time with a concept they can enjoy. They seem to have gained a lot of female fans.
Superbowl mention wasnt the first time. They all said it.
What difference would it make if they were reminded of the Superbowl goal again? They are idols, they aim for fame and fortune.
> You can't just declare you're a sjw muricaboo and have people immediately flog to you.
Depends on said peoples critical thinking capabilities. (quick reminder that trump is president)
Uh, none of us know what's going on w/ them. Suicide is complex & can't be predicted by some random keyboard warrior fan/farmer. It's in very poor taste to even speculate…come on, that's low even for this thread>>64431
You can't even begin to use miley cyrus for comparison..& the kpop idol system is nothing like America's Disney kid talent machine, or any other ent institution really.
SK isn't just "a little bit different cULtUrE" it's almost a diff world. No matter how many dramas these boos watach, they'll never come close to full grasp of idols/knetz' upbringing & ideology. And esp all those young ratmys who think they're fluent in korean fail to realize there is a huge amt of nuance & cultural context that is lost unless you actually grow up there or stay fully immersed. Anon >>64393
pls come back any time, your comments were refreshing.
Then all of them were told to name the superbowl as their goal?
Some idols might not be the brightest but I don't believe that any of them are delusional enough to really believe they have the slightest chance.
BTS named the grammys as their dream, so LSM thought of a way to one up that.
People need to stop believing the uwu baby idol so "insert selected adjective ie:poor" crap. Nugus, failures can still get 6 figure jobs and do WAY better than an average person.
On top of that they have fans who will gift them loads (not just clothes but appliances etc), yes even the not so 'well-known' ones.
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So obv I know about BTS/bigshit but not how sperm is working their model, so while you were replying i googled & the first hit was the Ellen gorilla donation, & I thought huh, that is pretty tryhardy. Does sm have any interest in wildlife conservation aside from kissing Ellen's ass?
If sm just goes all in right away with all these projects, doesnt it look desperate & tryhard? Of course bts/bighit have always shamelessly tugged on the woke, broke heartstrings of the youth, but I think they tried to make it look organic, at least at first. Lsm seems like a sad lil copycat, kinda embarrassing…
Pic attached is RV being appointed travel ambassadors or some shit for Switzerland…kinda ot but another seemingly random, contrived PR move from SM.
before someone jumps down my throat: just talking about the company SM, not the individuals under contract. (same applies to bigshit)
LSM seems to be very good at getting connections and (im new, this is just a current entertainment) is being able to start to use them on a broader scale: - becoming head prducer of massive concert and getting his artists in to perform next to famous international (western) artists, -collaborating with major us companies (capital, caa)
this stuff took a while to organize.
he realized that social clout is popular and will work (has with bts). Hence his artists being involved more publicly (via the company and not as individuals) with social stuff.>doesnt it look desperate & tryhard?
Only to people following this. Newbies wont know and just see the massive social involvement.> RV and Switzerland
yeah thats PR and further networking at work
from what im seeing SM has previously used hard power (connections for backroom deals…its Korea so duh!) and realized this wont work in the future. They are switching to a soft power, social involvement.
one major issue im seeing with this is that people will need to be sold on it.
Here is where the individuals involved are so important.
Example: Halsey (i never even heard of her until now reading up, as said im new, this is current entertainment), i couldnt get myself to read more than 10min. She is rather try hard. If her for clout networking and wokeness pays off- next years tour will tell. Youtube views are irrelevant. What counts are gigs, thats where the money is. If she has problems selling and making money, people are catching on to her.
The social engagement worked with BTS cause I actually believe they cared and were sweet kids. Using past tense cause the timeperiod of rising to fame is important. They may be arrogant and whatnot now. They seemed genuine then (and not very aware of social issues according to western standards). On top of that they went through an awful lot and their vulnerability was shown. People empathized with them.
Back to SM groups, sperm as example. Here we have scammer who is portrayed as mom of the group. He met with his ex victim
to apologize in person, despite previously denying it. Why and why now? For the narrative to work.
I still dont see them as relatable. This vulnerability ust isnt really present. The stroking on head caring for each other is the most they do. The struggle isnt there at all.
Btw: Idols are aware of vulnerability working and some are actively using it. The funniest example I found was the 'i am so lonely now'claiming they went straight to the hotel to wine to fans about being lonely despite them taking their time screwing and partying it up with groupies after the concert (aboard, NOT in Korea).
In short, depending on how LSM plays his hand he might be very successful, social clout works (depending on gullibility of target market). If not, he will need to switch to a more personal approach and make the individuals matter.
The more uwu they are, the better the chances.
with their us connections i think they have a good chance! capitol and caa are major players.
why wouldnt they want to perform there? its bragging rights.
Another notch on their belt to superstardom. Thats why they became idols in the first place. For fame and fortune (+groupies)!
april fool's day came late this year I see.
I think one thing we're forgetting here is that if, hypothetically, they were announced to play at the superbowl, they'd get fucking crucified by the majority of america to the point no one would want to work with them, backdoor connections or not.
I mean sure, let's let them say that's their dream, but we all know there's no way in hell they're playing halftime.
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Lol completely random, but I started looking up random kpop groups since I stopped listening to it around 2014, and I found 5dolls. Their song This and That was kinda catchy, but I was SO distracted by this girl (eunkyo?). I feel bad but I literally thought she had downs or something kek
Then after some googling, this girl bullied someone else out of the group? How??? Talk about looks matching personality
I saw somebody say that it sounds like some early justin timberlake+timbaland and I think it's accurate. I feel like it had the potential to be good but they failed miserably, even tempo is better than this.
Also kai's crop top doesn't suit him at all and what the actual fuck have they done to chen's face? He looks like a chucky doll
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So google takes me to the crazy spyware site & this time it's mathematic analyses of these dudes' hands & faces. Are these ppl for real, not trolling?
There's this yt vid circulating that mentions when one direction lost a member, a few hundred ppl applied for time off (or w/e it is in the UK) Can you imagine the disaster if something happens to bts? Even if just a decent sized scandal, fans would at least be regretting their shitty tattoos & wondering why they tossed so much of their youth when they could have been out, like, being a person
(P.s. they all have straight up girl hands, not just jimincel)https://aminoapps.com/c/btsarmy/page/blog/virthday-heavenly-body-proportions/bNwj_MNrUouBX3wEJGQNX7mGlnkX3LvbNMzhttps://aminoapps.com/c/btsarmy/page/blog/bts-beautiful-hands-ranking-appreciation/kwr5_GwXhGu4BgEM7Q1veb4jKqXb21xzjn4
obsession is the worst track of the album tbh
the other songs are completely different (and much better)
Kai is way too skinny now for that look, he looked a lot better pre sperm and weight loss, and Chen was always ugly, that's why he has no fans despite being able to sing.>>64496
With Tempo a lot of people also said that the side tracks would have been much better, no idea why SM is so bad at choosing title songs.
I haven't listened to it yet, but from the preview it looks very similar to the look that nct, suju and sperm also went for, all their boy groups seem to get the same concept lately.
"Shut up and go away" Lmaoooo. Um at least the dancing was good? It honestly sounds like a rejected 2000s RnB song.>>64510
Really? Jekyll is pretty bad lol. The chorus is awkward as fuck and overall beat is so lazy
No idea whether he had any ps, but he just looks too boring for most fangirls I guess, like just your average dude. Plus he's short and his head is big and we all know how much koreans love
You could say the same for baekhyun but he makes up for his appearance by being super loud, meanwhile chen usually doesn't say much.
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I've always thought that chen looked like a tame version of this junji ito character
I'm talking about the hate she got from fangirls, not the GP. Before the flag fiasco she was pretty well-liked among casuals. >>64486
Exols waited a year for this garbage? F. Even Zimzalabim sounds better than this pile of crap
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That whole comeback seems so rushed. They didn't even bother to edit their pimples…
When sperm was announced everybody whined that this means that exo won't get a comeback before most of them enlist and then they suddenly announced a new album. Like a week ago their fans trended a hashtag, something along the lines of 'sm treat them better', because they likely won't promote much and now they announced that they'll go on that variety show knowing brother.
It's as if SM is testing how far they can go in terms of laziness and if there's backlash they simply throw them a bone.>>64519
If she was hated since her debut then maybe it's plain old xenophobia? Or simply because she's not much of a looker.
I always had the impression that she was rather well liked tho
This is so bad it actually looks like a bad discount copy version of ''monster'' LOL.
This looks like it was supposed to be released in late October due to the halloween vibe but sm dun goffed and released it now.
I cant stand looking at their plastic faces….especially baekhyun's….dude looks like a agp tranny ew.
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/11/bighitaddsubs-trends-number-one-online-as-international-fans-demand-subtitles-on-content>The hashtag #BigHitAddSubs is trending #1 worldwide on Twitter as global fans demand subtitles so they can understand the content. The call to action came after a new BTS DVD was released without subtitles.
Lmao they hate you, get that into your birdbrains! They debuted 6 years ago, made dozens of millions off you, yet can't even be arsed to pay one measly english translater, they obviously don't give a shit about you iratmys. >the DVD filmed in Brazil didn't even include Portuguese subs >The co-ceo shamelessly said they don’t put subtitles cause there are fans who already do that for free.
Yet they also hunt down and delete subbed vids…? Please make sense
No idea if it's just trolls but some say 'the boys try so hard to learn english for you, why can't you entitled bitches do the same!' lol
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so many suicides …
>>64574>doesnt care about giving exo good music anymore.
Exo never had good music to begin with.
Their debut was cringy ''shinee reject'' music and fanfic pandering that only got worse.
Their only good albums were ''Exact'' and ''the war'' but everything else was mediocre shit.
>>64585>Exo never had good music to begin with.
jesus christ, the shittest taste
and besides are you really saying that with 12 fucking music releases, albums and minis, all that by sm and they don't have good music?
is it possible that hara and sulli were also murder victims
Imagine defending exo and being a delusional egg-l in 2019 lol.
Exo's music is worse than Baekhyuns botched face.
their music is good and I like it>defending
you see, molkaman could bring destruction to exo and I would be happiest with the shitstorm
Fuck off egg. Lmao pretending like you are not a fan, only a fan can like their dumpster fire music which sounds like discount shinee/dbsk.
Go defend your post wall men on the spam thread.
I'm not pretending, lmao. I do enjoy exo
are you confusing me with someone else in this thread?>only a fan can like their dumpster fire music which sounds like discount western pop acts
ftfy, meant for bts
No, it was meant for Exito you delusional roastie.
SM is as guilty as BH when it comes to buying cheap music from C tier western producers.
t. assblasted btshitter
sm always give their songs their own signature and exo's final production and songwriting is almost always miles above anything that thing puts out, whether you like it or not is something else entirely, I agree>>64602>but you cant deny this new album has a "xyz" reject-y sort of feel
yes. to be honest, i haven't been fully enjoying their music since exact, that was a really shit album if you take out the title tracks
Literally the only other time i've seen that insult used itt was by that one autistic rat that kept ban evading. You're bad at hiding your powerlevel, please fuck back off.
second part meant for >>64603
Calm down you paranoid roastie, this is the first time I'm talking about Exo here.
I'm not ashamed to admit I'm an ex-rat but at least I don't hesitate from criticizing the shit that's been done by BTS and their rabid fanbase unlike most exo-ls itt who still kiss their oppars' plastic asses and get triggered
even by the smallest criticism towards them.
>>64608>this is the first time I'm talking about Exo here>I'm an ex-rat
I'm suuuuure that's true, you edgy little ratcel
If you or a loved one has been diagnosed with ratmy you may to be entitled to financial compensation
Yesterday multiple people crictised exo and nothing happened. It only took these two retards from an hour ago to shit up the thread.>Exofags do a better job at hiding your power level, even nctfags are better than you.
Taking into account how big exo is, they're barely talked about here anyway. As long as nobody does stan-shit like analyzing their expressions in different pics, like people do with bts, nct and jennie, they're not the problem.
And to all those people tinfoiling about Hara being murdered, the texts that her borther released show that she was simply extremely depressed.
Why, because people shitting on your oppars hurts your feefees? Cry in meta about it. Or just fuck off completely.
I've never seen this entitlement in other threads, you don't get to decide which threads exist on lc and which don't.
Calm the fuck down, fag. I wasn't one of the anons you were replying to.
Honestly if you can't see the problem with these threads you must be part of it
1. [+4908, -36] It'll be a thanos law if it also includes drunk driving ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Half of the celebrities will be gone.
1. [+783, -34] Please ban Bigbang.
4. [+109, -2] Can they ban Lee Soo Geun first who raped a woman with his manager? Why are people stanning this a$$hole?
they're mad they couldn't use 'dyke'
so they started using 'roastie'>>64528
A lot of the music they release is because they have a shitload in the backlogs just waiting for the right time to release. I think someone mentioned Zimzalabim for Red Velvet was a SNSD reject.
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Just saw that on nb too http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2019/11/politicians-consider-law-to-ban.html
Damn Lee Soogeun really is something… He's so popular and funny, who would have ever thought that? Knowing Bros (a show most idols go to) constantly makes fun of his gambling, but meanwhile…
Commenters also named some others who still get to appear on tv despite being criminals:>Jo Hyung Ki. He is a MC and comedian it was in the 90 or early 2000. He ran over a women then dragged her body in to the woods and buried her in a shallow grave.
See gif for him…>Ryu Si Won killed a person as well.>Han Ye Seul caused hit and run accident>Kwon Sang Woo caused a big accident and run away.>Park Shi Hoo raped a trainee (he was caught on CCTV carrying the unconscious girl to his home).>Lee Soo Geun raped a girl with his manager and violently beat her in the process.>Lee kyung young. this old man is actively in dramas even after underage prostitution
boy group and girl group stans are both derailing this thread to hell with those retardation (although most of the retards are boy group fags). entertaining them is the reason why we have so many threads >>64637
all these men have some form of a madame shim behind them, so everything would be covered up. plus they're just men. if a woman did this 100% she'd have no career and be in jail to this day.
Korean ratmys seem to have little to no sympathy for their western brothers and sisters
lol>they made the DVD in English, and people were complaining there was no Portuguese subs, which I didn't understand. So you're telling me if they do a concert in Brazil, it should be in Portugal, then in German in they do a concert in Germany and Thai for Thailand?>Must they..? When I fangirl on overseas artists, I try hard to learn English so I can talk with other countries' fans and I've never went to their company to ask for stuff like this>I'm surprised. Whenever I fangirl on other countries' content, I just search for subs myself, I never went as far as requesting the company for official subs. Is this something only happening to KPOP fans?
Ratmys, the next time you meet korean tourists, just talk to them in your native language kek. I mean, studying the languaeg of a country your interested in is the bare minimum, no?
Isn't this actually scamming? Selling a "global kit" but it doesn't have english subs? Selling a dvd filmed in brazil to brazilians - but it can't be played in brazil because of its code? But of course obedient little fangirls are willing to spend half of their rent money on shipping stuff they can neither understand nor watch, because boycotting their babies is never an option.https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2019/11/enter-talk-exos-fandom-demographic-is.html>For real They're the ideal idol group No ajumma fans>You guys should really be grateful to have a fandom without ajummas….
Meanwhile poor nct and txt… Female pedofans must be especially awful to get that reaction.>>64636
Yeah, let's only shittalk girls instead of oppars.
>>64624>Taking into account how big exo is, they're barely talked about here anyway
That's because most posters here are exo-ls, of course they won't talk shit about their has-beens oppars.
Meanwhile, EXO is one if not the most posted group in the other kpop thread.
it's kind of sad that it's impossible to talk certain groups and people on this forum, like bts and nct lucus, or else the retards come out and derail it all.
but it's ok to talk trash about woman on here by the female anons, because it's not their oppars and the female idols are the only ones who have a chance of having sex with said oppars. as they lay in their cheeto dust and 3rd day without sleep because they think being obsessed with a boy group means having a personality.
>>64624>People who say that exo has bad music are retards who need to shut up.
Hi im the original anon who said that exo has bad music and got attacked over it.
If someone saying exo has bad music causes you to go over the edge and get emotional (when there are way worse things said about other groups but you dont care) then i suggest you and all the other egg-l's leave this thread because its very obvious that you cant handle a opinion about exo.
Egg-l's were never able to handle a opinion and were always known to go psycho when someone says something bad about exo including writing murder depictions of them talking about murdering haters and even assaulting people in real life.
I feel like im two reply's away from a crazy egg-l talking about murdering me and my family because i said something bad about her botched dumpster group.
All spergs deserve to go for a run especially with all that extra weight they have.
This all literally started because i said ''Exo never had good music to begin with'' and then some egg-l got butthurt and mad and tried forcing her delusions how exo have the best music on me.
Even exo hates egg-l's that should tell you how psychotic egg-l's are that your fave group hates you.
Kyungsoo even said that he is scared from egg-l's because so many of them were psycho and sasaengs that now he is even scared of ''normal'' egg-l's.
i wouldn't be surprised if more than half of the anons on this forum have extra weight from before or after becoming a group stan. the only ones that probably dont, probably just starve or/and exercise all day long to have a chance of being with their oppars.
yikes, those guys had to go through the torture of the whole trainee process, and then get tortured again by little girls who can't treat them like human beings. can't tell if that's hilarious or sad, if you consider how the torture has been non-stop since they were picked off the streets when they were minors.
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blackpink fans are on par with ratmys on the level of delusion. lisa and rose are spoopy as fuck but fans won’t take it seriously until one of them passes out or drops dead on stage and then it’ll be floods of “omg we had no idea. sad face. you never know what people are going through!!1” spoilered because this shit is grim as fuck
ever since their world tour, both lisa and rose have been losing too much weight. there was a video comparing her swalla versions, in the before, her limbs were a lot fuller.
after she and the other girls lost too much weight during their japanese tour in aityl era, she's been wearing those baggy pants to hide her legs and give an illusions she's really thick. soon after she got a nylon japan magazine cover i think.
and yhs is still a major stock holder in yg, he was once admitted to analyzing her dance videos second by second, he seriously allowed this to be posted on 'her' channel?
blackpink aren't that much worse than the other skinnier kpop groups so its easy for their fans to overlook, kpop stans already get a warped idea of healthy weights after a while. bp are consistently really skinny but it's not at all hard to find time periods where twice or girls generation or f(x) or red velvet had members being as boney. the majority of girl groups stans are either into thinspo or don't think someone's skinny until they have a bmi of 15. boygroups are similar but not as severe.
blackpink are deliberately dressed to emphasise it though. the other skinniest girls don't usually have their ribs on display, they have the more unpleasant parts of being so thin hidden under their clothes
you can feel all her bone rattling in your ears, like the ringing you get from a migraine.
it gets worse around here: https://youtu.be/By61X4Ku9JE?t=37
why does lsm think that this is better than literally any other groups he's made>>64669
blinks want to live vicariously through the girls, so they don't see the problem with this. lisa and rosé were already naturally skinny predebut, but they look gross and sickly now.
>>64680>ree everyone who dislikes exo is a rat
lMAO at triggered
And dont worry sweaty kyungsoo aint the only who is dusgusted at you psychotic landwhales.
Sehun is a genius for using retarded exofags as cashcows and making them buy him expensive stuff while paying them no attention.
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No not everyone who doesn't like your group is the same person
Exofags go back to the mental hospital challenge.
Please stop with the blatant samefagging/newfaggotry…>>64595>>64661>>64662>>64662>>64665
"egg-l" is not a thing, nobody but you uses that, people who don't like them just call them "egg/eggs".>>64683>>64685
It's more than obvious that you're one of our resident esl-chans who just can't integrate.>>64691>go back to the mental hospital challenge
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It seems like eggies are close to having a mental breakdown on this thread and threatening people like they always do and have done which is why they were branded the craziest shithead fandom for a long time.
Calm down,take your xanax/valium and go back to jerking it off to chanbaek.>>64696
You just cant get it through your thick skull and understand that not everyone likes your troon group cant you?
Your idols are not some gods and im sure there are atleast over 4 anons right now who have said something bad about exo.
But you cant comprehend the fact that not everyone is going to like your idol so you all think we are the same person.>Underage
No i just wish you would take care of your mental health,because god knows eggies need it and they need it bad
Yes because you retards spamming about only two groups here is allowed but the moment someone focuses on exo they are ''obsessed''
what is wrong with you…oh right you are a egg.
Are you mad that kyungsoo hates you?
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why does the samefagging rat keep bringing up kyungsoo?
ok, seriously, what the FUCK is an egg
what the fuck is going on
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Topkek Exo-l's are amazing lol, they are even worse to exo than actual exo antis or haters.>>64714
Wow exols really exposing themselves like this. Like it wasnt even more obvious that this thread was a echo-chamber with exols who cant take a opinion.>>64716
Honestly i wonder if these people have matured past the age of 12.
I have said some really horrible shit about bts,blackpink,mamamoo etc, yet no one cares but the moment i mention exo then exofags lose their shit, tell me why exofags are so psychotic?
EXO's new concept is paid male gigolos.
SuperM follow the same route but at least aren't scantily dressed.
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Its been gigolos for quite some time now, because that is the only thing they are good at.
Did you see ''lotto'' now that was some gigolo stuff to hide how horrible the song was,i thought my ears were bleeding the first time i listened to it.
Your telling that person to check the rules but you are not telling the sperg who is spamming kai gifs to check the rules?
Can you be even more obvious you worthless exofag.
i got shit on for making fun of jennie and was told to fuck off, so there's either a stan of every idol just waiting to nag, a really bored anon, or both.
exofaggots are just as bad as bts fag, including those that hate bts because it's they've been talked about enough as it is. probably had a mental breakdown over how bts is dominating in the east and west and not exo, considering at one point they both had equal popularity
God bless sm and all those audio tools they use to alter exo's voice so they sound decent.
Because they sound like dying goats.
If you realized, those that truly hate bts don't keep posting pics of them
bts stans keep posting retarded pics to seem like they 'hate' them but they are stans.
They have filled up threads of bts shit with 'hate' when it just became threads obsessed with them. Remember the time one of the 'haters' posted gay fujo shit? Why the fuck would you post and talk about them repeatingly about gay fanfics, ugly ass close ups and retarded tattoos? Only stans do that. The only time the bts and exo faggots should be talked about is when there's a scandal, not when there's 1 retarded retweet from twitter from a literally who fan
Most of the people who spam about btshit are exofags who have a obsession with them or fujo's.
But most of us who arent one of those two things just critize their music or actions
Either way exofags need to calm down with their schizophrenic raging here.
thanks, you understand exactly what I mean >>64739
Notice how I never brought up exofags? It has only been mentioned in the past 24 hours from you all. We have mad fun of exoshit but it has not been derailed like this. You have deflected because you are responsible.
It's a raid. Sage and report
exo faggots with their loose tits flopping in the wind can't control their temper, must have gotten triggered
that bts wasnt being shit on anymore. either that, or exo's new song, ironically called 'obsession'; got into their brain queefing heads. this image board is meant to shit on every group, not glorify exo, fucking fags.
Mods can see what i posted and they will say i'm not an exofag. Whatever you say rat. I hate boy group stans regardless.
And I know you're a raiding newfag because you don't sage for shit
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Wow. After years of mostly enjoying the gossip/news posts in this thread along with discussion and debate that has been able to happen without major repercussions to the speaker NOWHERE else, I can agree with the other anons that say this thread should be shut down. All the SHIT that has gone down in 2019, and Hara dying LESS THAN A WEEK AGO, and there's a million autists here attacking each other over shit NO ONE CARES ABOUT not even related to the actual drama or even kpop itself. You egotistical fuckers ruined it beyond repair cuz post quality and effort is expected to be next to 0. Literally 80% of the posts in the threads for the past year are shit that should never move beyond thought form in their fucking heads, and each of you should be moderating that yourselves, not the fucking farmhands. Thanks faggots for driving us further into fascism even over the topic of kpop of all fucking things.
Hara, Sulli, Jonghyun and the others are judging your asses from heaven for contributing to the future deaths of other kpoppies because you've made free speech a GODDAMNED JOKE.
If we talk further about it it will inevitably lead to radfem and anti-korean sentiment. That's why I didn't say anything else other than 'how sad' or 'how can this happen?'
I don't want to get the threads locked.
And I suspect that those that want the thread lock do it on purpose to derail so we don't take shit about their oppars, whoever the fuck it is.
So you want the censoring of all opinion as long as they aren't positive? I don't agree at all with this. We have the right to express our opinions.
This is like the only place where you can freely criticize kpop. The other place was the bashing thread on Allkpop which is already censored. And it's not like the members of kpop groups will come over here reading those threads. Not to mention most of them aren't even English speakers so the negative comments they read are from Koreans themselves.
first of all, sage, and second, then you and whoever else needs to post quality posts and not cancer pics. At least the nitpicking in the older threads had substance. >>64759
This is an imageboard.
Sadly the entertainment industry is filled with pedos and it's not just in Korea… Former hollywood child star already talked about that. Sex is a way of showing your power.
But Sulli&Hara died because they were publicly slut-shamed while being victims
. Classic victim
don't know much about hara, but sulli was in a pedo film. instead of focusing on she has a slave contract, and was picked off the streets when she was a minor, unable to see her parents, etc. i'm sure the person who filmed it has countless other victims
who are being slut-shamed too.
Rumors have mentioned how both Sulli's and Hara's parents were abusive
and reports are coming out that neither parents where present at their funeral. That's fucking crazy.
wasn't it reported that hara contacted a reporter on what she can do to help expose 'Burning Sun'? and sulli was a hardcore feminist, a bit tinfoil, but is it really suicide? we dont even know the cause of death.>>64779
like the pussycat girls, the entire industry is just a giant 'Burning Sun' nightclub.
Both Sulli and Hara had the same family background: parents divorce, start new families, no longer care about them, Sulli sent to live alone and work at age 10 and Hara to live with her grandma. Sulli debuted at 15, Hara at 17. I also remember seeing a video of Hara crying because she wasn't allowed to see her grandmother in over a year. And this was at the height of her fame.
Sulli's brother rejected her inheritence, meanwhile her parents are fighting over it. For Hara it also seemed to be mostly her brother who cared about her.
Asians love to boast about taking care of their elderly themselves instead of putting them into retirement homes, but I guess basically abandoning your own child because it's in the way of you finding new love is a-okay. Also, what is child labour laws…
just like justin bieber and scooter braun, signing a slave contract is revoking your rights as a parent, onto the company.
sulli and hara had the unfortunate case of being too kind, while on top of having neglectful stage parents.