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No. 1177704
Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse!
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Recent Art Milk:
It's always the fucking same kek
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
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>>>/ot/1078108 No. 1179761
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>>1177704I was curious about the current top earning artists on patreon since I looked many years ago and of course it was Sakimichan and saw this thinking people were finally getting tired of her but no, she’s sitting at around 8,000 patrons but for some reason I don’t find her in many search results of top patreon artists unless I just use her username. Has anyone new been up and coming lately with more interesting art? Noticing that most of the popular artists from 2008 deviant art who broke away to instagram/twitter/tumblr seem to have better long term staying power than new artists from the last few years. Saw all the sakimichan clones through this thread but they don’t seem to be drawing the same appeal which is interesting to me.
No. 1179827
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>>1179777WLOP definitely isn't a Sakimichan clone but I agree his work tends to be beautiful but boring.
No. 1180126
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a female artist who draws heterosexual romantic pairings has to quite literally explain to her porn addicted BL followers that she doesn't draw "bl and queer art " and so they should stop constancy asking her to make such content
No. 1180155
>>1180094lmao, so basically "Hey queer-folk thanks and all for being fans of my work but I would really much prefer to have some cishet trad followers."
Oh boy, there are 80+ quote tweets but I can only see like 20 or so which means the other QTs are from accounts I've blocked. Not a good sign.
>>1180138From the way I read it, she is trying to distance herself from possible
TERF accusations. She's labeling anyone who is sperging at her about that thread as a radfem.
No. 1180252
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How does shit like this pull in 80k followers on insta
No. 1180429
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>>1180094>>1180126She’s kind of right though, or maybe it’s just personally relatable to me. “Queer” people are depressing when they make everything about politics, but I can see why saying this (especially on Twitter) would piss people off lol. Maybe I missed the point but it seems she wants more non-fujoshi straight women to be into art / making comics so that she could have friends and followers with common interests, but in general they’re more into writing and stay in “normie” spaces.
No. 1180431
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>>1180420She really should have never made that thread because now Twitter is doing what it does best and started digging through her social media history to shit on her even harder.
No. 1180559
>>1180512She changed the nose too.
And tbf she's a retard for assuming Japanese men can't look like Hanzo - he looks jomon af. There is literally "yayoi vs jomon" discourse in 5ch and which is "superior" among the Japanese.
No. 1180563
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>>1180126>Some of you all really want fandom that is adult women's spaces rather than a queer space>FUJOJOKEK
I'd rather the adult women space because at least they know they're women and aren't trying to LARP as an anime yaoi boy
No. 1180569
>>1180563Don't forget
>Some of you all really want fandom that is adult women's spaces rather than a queer space>My body, my orgasmswhat the fuck? Of course such a space should be for adults.
No. 1180649
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>>1180094Wow she’s quirky
No. 1180668
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>>1180649is it bad that I can somewhat relate to this, I can't fit in with normies no matter how hard I try but with in art or fandom spaces I can't fit in either, cause their often terminally online degenerates
No. 1180722
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>>1180649kek I have no idea who this person is but that second panel reminds me of picrel
No. 1180753
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I know ripping on sakimi is low-hanging fruit but this takes is super fucking weird. For nonnies that don't know the character here is literally 3 years old but is "aged up" a la sakimifashion.
No. 1180758
>>1180751She still wants to be seen as progressive though, so trying to distance yourself from a community that could easily cancel you by making a thread about how you wish you had more straight followers isn’t exactly the brightest idea.
She could have just posted the het art she wants to draw and faced much less drama than she has right now.
No. 1180763
>>1180751It's not like she got "cancelled" over some petty misunderstanding, she had an unsolicited meltdown accusing her gay audience of not making her feel welcomed despite them never giving her anything but support on her ventures despite her focus on straight romances, called them abnormal and finished it off by calling the people telling her to calm down "radfems" which is the equal of branding someone as nazis in the twittersphere. She bit the hand that fed her, this isn't some ouroboros situation of kweers attacking each other but someone fucking up with her perpetual
victim complex and letting her insecurities get the best of her.
No. 1180786
>>1180781Don't care about the "age up" debate, but
>when it's not even showing signs of being sexual??? Anon are we looking at the same picture
No. 1180913
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Skeb can only used by japanese artists? I've been looking for a way to handle commissions while staying anonymous, I don't even know if this website show or hide your real name.
No. 1180934
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>>1180921There's apparently a platform in the works that's popped up very recently
https://twitter.com/joinharuteam No. 1181002
>>1180939tbh it's relevant to the current discussion because she never learned her lesson and continued with shitty takes like that. She's just flown under the radar for a good while.
>>1180972NTA but for me personally the aging up of a 3-year old little child to sexualize her is gross because it implies you see a completely nonsexual and in some ways "pure" female character and your thoughts immediately go to "you know what she needs? big ass tits half-bared and a cock in her face". While it's true it's an adult body in the aged up version it's still in poor taste to me.
No. 1181043
>>1181033she doesn't just "have boobs" anon don't be a dumbass, her nipples are out, the outfit and her expression are sexualized. this isn't just an adult imagining of her, which fanart of that already exists and isn't an issue with anyone.
saki is drawing this because men want to jerk off to Anya and this is the only way they can in the open
No. 1181064
>>1181010This, at least teenage characters have an established personality besides of just being a cute child character for a family dynamic like Anya is.
>>1181033lmao anon do you really look at sakimichan's obviously sexual coomer art profiting off of pornsick men and think "it's just an innocent reimagining of what she could look like as an adult"? I doubt you do so cut the crap.
No. 1181079
>>1180934What I want to know is, aside from suppposed 0% fees (yeah we'll see about that), what is going to be the difference between this and any other aggregate commissions website that eventually crumbles into a hot mess of underpriced art and furry bullshit?
>>1180753She could have picked literally any other female character. Sakimi literally just doesn't care, as long as it's popular and she thinks it can make her money.
As an aside, why does all of her art look like it's fucking plastic cling wrapped.
No. 1181105
>>1181043What nipples? The full image hasn't even been released.
>>1181079What's funny is that if she didn't say who it was, no one would care. Again, fake outrage.
No. 1181196
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>>1181002>she never learned her lesson and continued with shitty takes like thatdo you have any other example? There's only the hanzo and hetero one so far, and it's two upsies that are years apart.
>>1180753This kind of looks made to stir up controversy tbh, the same show has a mum protagonist who's made for fanservice
No. 1181200
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>>1181196She already did Yor; it looks like she plans on doing the whole cast.
No. 1181203
>>1181156Coomers look at a cute innocent 5 years old little girl and imagine her as a sexy grown up/jack off material
Don't pretend you don't see how it's gross anon
>>1181200wtf is wrong with her hips area
No. 1181221
>>1180753>>1181043this is such a non issue for anyone who can separate fiction from reality.
>age them up and do sexual content is pedo>Keeping them the same age and doing sexual content is pedoit's a zero win situation considering the other shit people call "pedo bait" other than only drawing them in a pure, innocent, non-sexual way because they were a kid in the show even though at some point children grow up and have sex and somehow people will still find a way to call a completely nonsexual image sexual because of a camera angle or something.
it is also completely different to wonder what a fictional character looks like as an adult and be attracted to them versus doing it to a real person. One of them is actually real
No. 1181230
>>1180431This is ironic considering that 50% of wOkE redrawings are just racist stereotypes, but since she doesn't like the "queer" community that's a bad thing now.
Overall I believe her wording was really stupid because she came off as homophobic, but on the other hand I understand wanting to distance yourself from the queer community, I personally became inactive on my art twitter because I got tired of the type of audience I got.
Regardless, I think the art mob would have hated her no matter what she wrote, because there's no way of saying "the LBGT community is annoying" without twitter turning into a shitshow.
No. 1181537
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>>1181518>>1181524Keep being this retarded when it's not based on the 5 year old. Fucking hell. Do any research other than blindly calling out artists.
No. 1181539
>>1181537Mind you this involves design, not a 1:1 of the character. There's already a design by the same author that's older too, so being mad that it looks like Anya in Sakimichi is dumb when there is a design by the artist that looks like her too to begin with.
>>1181538I honestly do wonder what characters will look like older. People did that with Naruto like crazy until Shippuden came out. This isn't a new concept and it's being targeted only towards Sakimichi which is what isn't sitting right with me.
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So apparently m0thik's ex has been copying them.
Angelbunnyy_ (the ex) is a dollieguts orbiter, btw.
No. 1181616
>>1181606artists draw characters sexualized all the time. A character is an arbitary being. It isn't like someone looking at an actual child and thinking "wow they're gunna be hot when they get older" it's people thinking what this abstract, designed character would look like older and probably imprinting on the character, use them as some sort of self-insert, fantasize fanfiction or whatever fucking else.
maybe they draw the "little girl" as an adult woman because they want to draw a sexualized adult instead of a sexualized child. Characters are abstract concepts, they can be whatever the fuck you want them to be. They do it because they're characters. They aren't real. You can explore whatever concept you want with them.
this topic pops up every time a popular character comes up. these characters will be the same canon age while you are turning into dust in a casket and yet people acting as if this is the same as if someone made sexual comments about a minor in real life.
No. 1181721
>>1181709It doesn't look like her aside from parts of her outfit and the hair. What part of her version looks like it aside from cosmetic? Please tell me which part still looks like a child, anon? Characters like Daria have canon adult and child version, but drawing her as an adult doesn't make people imagine the child version only. No one fucking does that except people purposely looking for an issue in art.
>>1181616 is right in regards to it literally only being an issue because you want it to be an issue when on the surface level, most people will see it as "Cool, adult version/take of Anya" and instead of making it some pretty thing only as an adult, and wholesome, they wanted a sexy version and most likely because the mother character, who ISNT even her real mother, is sexual in how she presents herself. It's fictional. It's all fiction. No matter what, someone is going to jack off to the work and I'd rather them think of an adult version when doing it rather than going to rule34 and paying artists commissions of child versions. Jfc.
No. 1181853
>>1181794Oh you can criticize the artist for aging up a kid to sexualize them all you want. But it’s pretty useless, like what’s the point?
>its lolicon panderingThe character is aged up, lolicons want anya nsfw as she is in the show not the grown woman version.
>sakimi is a pedocoomer artistSpy x family is popular, anya is the face of the show (and frankly has the cutest design pink hair and whatnot), she wants weeb dollars and its always been her schtick to make lewd art of current popular animes. And aging up kid characters that are funny and popular in fandoms have always been a thing It’s really not that outrageous, why are you so angry? Too much twitter nonna
No. 1181855
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More of Sakimichan's amazing recent art.
(Does anyone else feel like the better she becomes at rendering, the worse her anatomy gets?)
No. 1181876
>>1181855I wonder if she ever draws anything for her own amusement that isn't lewd pinups or porn anymore. If she does, I'd like to know what that art looks like.
>>1181853>she wants weeb dollars and its always been her schtick to make lewd art of current popular animesNTA but you think we don't know that? We can still talk about it from time to time about how creepy it is
No. 1181922
>>1181853Surely it can't be that hard to understand that some of us are sick of porn obsession and do find it outrageous that absolutely everything, even toddler characters, has to be turned into coom material one way or another. And just because it's been happening since forever doesn't make it stop being disgusting pornsick behavior, so we will keep feeling negatively about it. What does twitter have to do with this?
>what's the point of criticizing an artist for something they doThis is the art salt thread
No. 1181996
>>1180126mixed feelings about this one. I hate it when people bully het artists, but
>>1180723 is right, this artist isn't based. I 100 % agree with her hatred for people who only write/consume BL because "women are badly written" instead of you know, fucking writing something/supporting things with good female characters, but some of her other takes are very weird. She's calling out the people following her saying they don't like her content but like…why would they have chosen to follow her in the first place if they hate her art? It's pretty stupid.
No. 1182087
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>>1182005What the fuck are you even talking about, it's clear that most people would prefer it if none of the characters were sexualized. Stop repeating the same shit arguments, it's degen and that's it.
>>1181991All her art looks photobashed and hastily put together, I don't understand how anyone even cares about her anymore. I was just looking through R34 to get some examples because I remember she made hilariously bad artworks of Zhongli and Childe where they looked like two white men with badly photoshopped wigs and saw that she drew Nezuko from Demon Slayer, another character that's supposed to be a child. I'm pretty sure she got backlash for this too
No. 1182168
>>1182153There is a difference between her male and female art though, the pictures of female characters look like disjointed porn angles with panting mouths while the men pose in stiff boring poses. Neither is appealing.
Male art isn't only for fujos, btw.
No. 1182180
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>>1182174
>as a man
Fuck off forever(don’t reply to scrotes)
No. 1182181
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>>1182168It's still het brain, or gay lurking scrote brain apparently. Her coomer moid art is just as horrifying
No. 1182183
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>>1182181sage because this was an obvious one but kek
No. 1182185
>>1182181>It's still het brain, or gay lurking scrote brain apparently. What does that mean, we have an actual scrote in the thread.
And yeah her male art is ugly. They all have that "ooh I'm so cool and tough" look too, annoying.
No. 1182186
>>1182181Homie got his wrist broken
>>1182174>As a manBegone scrote
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>>1182174
>as a man(ignore scrotes ffs)
No. 1182216
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>>1182181The anime face with the hyper realistic yet wonky (anatomy wise) rendered body will never be a good look. All i see is picrel
No. 1182218
>>1182183Honestly as a fujo I see nothing attractive about this and can't figure out who it's made for, do even regular straight women like this? It just looks silly.
>>1182168This. Compared to the coomer art she makes of female characters the male pinups are laughably tame and inoffensive. It's just a bit of pecs and shirtless abs that could pass for a male self insert power fantasy while the female characters have ridiculous fetish cow tits, a dump truck ass and cock sucking lips.
No. 1182256
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>>1182183This particular drawing sucks because his face looks like he has too many chromosomes, like pic related, he’s covered completely and there’s not even some bulge or something like that. I also hate it because it’s a baby animal turned into an anime guy, animal crossing porn should be considered as disgusting as Pokémon or Digimon porn.
No. 1182296
>>1182087She's starting to paint like her own inferior clones lmao
>>1182181That face is horrifying, same as her female faces. Kek at the right hand.
>>1182183I'm not even gonna open this shit because it's really embarrassing to look at, but he looks so faggy in a bad 3D moid way, in the thumbnail at least. This shit is not attractive.
>>1182281I don't know why they so insist so much on defending that shit. OK it's not a child anymore, and lolicons don't like grown women or whatever, but it is coomer brainrot and borderline pedo to "age up" ASAP every new child character that gets popular for the sole purpose of sexualizing them. It will never not be creepy. And yes, it's obviously done for the money, but it's still gross.
No. 1182490
>>1182281>>1182296And even with the "aged up version" it's always just barely above the legal age. It's never "an established underage character with a real personality reimagined at 25" but shit like "the quintessential cute toddler at 15". At least when Sakimichan lewded that Demon Slayer girl she actually had a canonical older version that was referenced and she was drawn like an adult in the pinup, but this Anya that she drew looks way too youthful even if she's given balloon anime tits.
The bottom line here is that it's disturbing and depressing that you can never have a cute female child character without people finding loopholes to coom over her, when SpyxFamily came out I predicted this shit immediately but was hoping that I'd be wrong for once. Nope, pornsickness is a terminal disease.
No. 1182719
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Literally covered. Not nude. Adult version. Everyone shut up already. This looks nothing like the cold version and doesn't look like achild either. Shes got big ass tits.
No. 1182754
>>1182719There will be a porn version, as noted by her patreon. Now pls stop with the argument.
Also, that entire lower half is terrible, wow. I guess she doesn't put much effort into her art aside from rendering since coomers will pay for whatever she puts out. Is it true that she has other artists doing some of the work for her? I've been seeing people say that about her, but with no proof.
No. 1182790
>>1182719She looks honestly mentally retarded here
The whole piece gives coquette/DDLG vibes
No. 1182865
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>>1182183My tummy hurt from laughing when I first saw her Geralt
No. 1182981
>>1182970Don't forget the weird ass lighting on his shitty abs
There's so much wrong in there
No. 1183097
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>>1182183Anons forget about one of the greatest horror images she made when Beastars was a thing.
Warning: NSFL Yiff (furry) BL
No. 1183576
>>1183496I am sure that your work is lovely but it is likely more that people are self concerned. With their own lives, their own studies, their own art. You being older may have something to do with it, but if you would like to speak with others it's probably best to approach those that interest you. Neutrally speaking, people are even further in their own spheres in this day and age.
I would try to stray away from thinking that it is due to your skill. People are thinking about themselves. Until you have reason to think that, it is self alienating.
No. 1184180
>>1181847There’s some software you can use that uses Bluetooth. I don’t know if that would help. Look up APowerMirror. It also works with twitch and YouTube.
>>1183097>>1182865Her backgrounds are hilarious. They look like filtered photos for babby’s first ren.ai game.
I think she only got popular because she used some secret hacks back in the early days of DA and claimed she painted it. Maybe she used to have skill but anymore it’s an amateur collage of body parts with filters and dodge and burn.
No. 1185632
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Art noob with no sense of perspective. I'm trying to do constructional drawings of simple objects like vases and I'm having a hard time. How do you know how wide the diameter of the ellipses should be? I feel like whenever I'm drawing them as part of a simple form (like a cylinder or a funnel) they look completely random. Picrel is not me, just an example
No. 1185834
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>>1185632Have you been working with a grid? It's a great help when you're a beginner; in art class we were recommended to make a simple grid out of cardboard frame with strings, so if you're not working digitally, you can try this too
No. 1185922
>>1185632What knowledge you need has nothing to do with perspective, but proportions instead. If you're drawing without reference, then they can be as wide as you like, depends on your preference. If you are using reference, like a real vase in front of you, couple of meters away, then you can use the old school method of measuring with a pencil. Extend your hand fully in front of you, hold your pencil horizontally, and move your thumb so that the width of the elipse is 'recorded' on the pencil. Then, while still holding your arm extended, with the thumb at the same spot, rotate your pencil vertically and measure how many times is the elipse repeat in the height. That's how you get accurate proportions. Grid is useful to understand composition on the canvas while this practice helps you understand proportions in relation to themselves and other objects.
No. 1185969
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>>1185632another way that i have used is described pretty well here
https://citizensketcher.com/2014/07/23/step-by-step-drawing-example-davis-house-dot-plot/ it takes a little practice but you basically use dots and marks to mask out the overall shape of your subject before you draw any lines. the grid method like nonnas have shown above is handy but it can be a bit of work to set it up, this dot map combined with some basic eye measuring techniques is really useful.
No. 1186148
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>girl complains about feeling queer fandom is hostile to straight girls and womanhood
<queer fandom proves her 100% correct
No. 1186293
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>>1185632You can also try funnels exercise from drawabox, and reading up more about elipses in perspective in general there, it may help you better understand perception of this shape in 3D space
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/5https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/funnels No. 1186465
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So I'm an artist studying different skintones because I don't know much about how lighting works for them. I wasn't sure where to ask this because of all the arguments surrounding the topic.
Top row is how this woman's photos usually look (taken in a bathroom). The bottom row photos are both her under bright sunlight, so why do those two look like different skin shades? Just looking to know the technical reason behind this.
No. 1186477
>>1186465Cold, blue-ish light in the bathroom; warm, orange-ish, strong light of the sun, as simple as that. Bottom left is done in a cold-colored environment, looks more like a photoshoot than just a candid with a phone in a warm colored environment, like bottom right.
It's not unlikely bathroom ones have a bit adjusting going on with contrast.
No. 1186490
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>>1186465She has cool undertones so this affects how her skin in general will reflect under different lights. Top two are in dim poor bathroom light that is coming from above her, but theyre also edited. Bottom left is under natural light causing her darks to appear darker while casting shadows. Instead of a golden brown you can see her blues under the light. On the bottom right shes in front of the harsh lighting from the sun during golden hour. This creates shadows if you arent facing straight on. Think of lighting like a filter in terms of contrast. The suns lighting causes her shade of skin to appear lighter while retaining her blue undertones. Picrel is unedited similar skin tone and same undertones. Left is under sunny light but facing towards it. Right is not facing towards the direct light but rather under it, making his darks darker with shadows. Its really all about where the light source is coming from while also taking into considering the undertone of the skin. The shade can always change, but not the undertone. Hope this helps in some way.
No. 1186731
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This artist’s (Cyarine) work just gets worse over time. She’s drawing more and more ‘diverse’ people but somehow they all either have the exact same face or she makes them ugly as fuck. I went to check on her instagram since she’s one of the guests at the MCM con, but my god she should not be advising people how to draw. Her facial anatomy is so off and she’s been pumping out the same shit for years.
Also heard she’s hated in her own country, but if anyone had details about that I’d appreciate it. Couldn’t find much in the other threads.
No. 1186809
>>1186731holy shit I know her art has been plateauing/stagnating for awhile now ever since shes been able to sit atop her pile of patreon bucks and hasn't had pressure to improve or actually create good work anymore, but jesus fucking christ this is such poor quality compared to what she used to pump out. the noise filter and color pencil/crayon brush she used make this look like a highschoolers attempt to skinwalk cyarine.
i used to really like her art for the hands, but even her hands (esp in pic related) lately have been resembling more of those thumbcramps/whimsipop sausage fingers than actual hands
from what i remember from cyarines prime posting time on here, she used to get talked about alot mostly due to her being an
abusive and spergy POS towards her ex-gf, vio, which caused most of her local art community to dislike her.
shes also time and time again dogpiled her fanbase on smaller instagram accounts and literal 14 year olds on social media before for creating art that resembles her fish-eye autist face "style".
this reminds me, i recently stumbled upon a cyarine skinwalker on instagram who upon first glance I thought actually was cyarine due to how closely resembled the art looked to her old viral style. but even that cyarine skinwalker at this point is making better art than cyarine herself.
guess livestreaming videogames on twitch all day doesn't make someones art better. who wouldve thought. its almost as if every autist ever who decides to start streaming on twitch only does it so they can find an easier way to get money for sitting on their ass doing nothing. happy to see her art has suffered because of it.
No. 1186827
>>1186148Why don't you Finnish nonnies talk more about her here? For example, if I hadn't read your posts in the Finnish thread with Google Translate, I would've never known that she had been drawing a middle-aged man dominating and bullying a teenage Asian girl (or something like that) for years, or that she has always been hinting that she doesn't like the gays, or that she shat on "normie" straight women for liking stuff like 50 Shades of Gray. Had I known that before, I would've never felt bad for her.
Also, does she have no sense of self-preservation? How does she obsess so much over "too many kweer people" liking her hetero stuff that she couldn't shut up about it, but not think about how much the Twitter crowd loves to blow shit out of proportion and cancel people for homo/transphobia all the time?
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>>1186832I don’t mind the stylisation, I understand she isn’t going for a 1:1 ratio drawing. That was just the example chosen. But if you look at her work from a few years ago compared to now, it stagnated and dropped in quality. She’ll post a drawing saying she’s practicing drawing diverse faces and then they all have the same face. Or in this, from one of her million drawings of herself. The anatomy of both the face and pose is completely off. It’s like she’s broken her arm and her face is melting off. The idea of her going to a convention and talking about her art, when all she has is drama from her past partnership with Wacom that fell through due to her being a POS to them publicly, is laughable.
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>>1186723>Drawing queer characterswait what, did she draw gay characters as straight or something, what queer characters was she drawing
No. 1186932
>>1186922Don't know what anon's referring to since all her content is undeniably straight but she did spontaneously turn her white straight side character in her comic into a bisexual black guy just for woke points kek.
>>1186923No. Go back to /ic/
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>>1186827>I would've never known that she had been drawing a middle-aged man dominating and bullying a teenage Asian girl (or something like that) for yearsWew, I never read her webcomic but here I assumed they were your typical mentor/student relationship. Is she really a teen?
Though if she gained a majority lgbt following while posting stuff like this, makes her thread even dumber because now she’s brought way more critical eyes on her.
No. 1187044
>>1186994Sorry, I got that info from the Finnish thread (and badly machine translated). I haven't read her webcomic either.
But just looking at this you can tell she's got an age gap fetish kek
>makes her thread even dumber because now she’s brought way more critical eyes on her.exactly.
Although tbh I doubt most of that "LGBT" audience is gay, most of them are probably "genderqueer" but actually straight people. So it's no wonder that this type of content attracted that kind of audience.
No. 1187059
>>1186827>Why don't you Finnish nonnies talk more about her here?Because I don't want to deal with the scrotes ITT whining about le wokies ruining the internet again.
Anyway, I'm someone who has been following her work for years as she's been a big name for a while. She's always been known for drawing self-insert comics, it's obvious that the petite Asian girl is supposed to be her avatar and the big middle-aged guy is her fictional dominant dream boyfriend. She's always been very defensive about liking this dynamic and seemingly developed a guilty conscience over it because having surrounded herself with feminist discourse that talks about misogynist tropes, yet she wasn't able to compartmentalize and enjoy her kink while acknowledging that these people are worried about the real life occurrence of older men abusing younger women.
>she shat on "normie" straight women for liking stuff like 50 Shades of Gray. No, she said that she
wants her audience to be "normie straight girls who like 50 shades of gray". She posed this as a juxtaposition to the "weird queers she can't bond with" so in her mind she has a problem with these gay or bi people enjoying her work because she actually thinks they "can't get it" as if "older character domming over an innocent young sub" was something outlandishly deep and unpopular. Realizing this you can probably see how douchey she sounds, especially because she brought this up A LOT even before that particular thread blew up. Note that she's
always drawn het content yet still been popular so it's just her not being satisfied with the numbers she's reaching and not being able to detach herself from the discourse that she herself continuously brought up. Nobody ever shamed her for her kinks or preferences besides she herself.
Another thing that pissed people off was her implying that "gay people hate their female side" or "aren't in touch with their femaleness" and that's "something she can't relate to" as according to her being a same-sex attracted woman means you can't like, relate to or appreciate femininity or femaleness. To top it all off, years ago she used to hover around this well-known LGBT circle and mooched off their reputation to grow her own following.
I'd dig up some receipts if she hadn't gone private and I hadn't unfollowed her, and I don't really care enough either. I mostly pity her for letting her insecurities take the wheel and tell 2/3 of her audience that she doesn't want them following her. But in the end she fully deserved to be lambasted and brought it upon herself, especially when after being confronted about it, in quite a reasonable manner I might add, she started accusing everyone questioning her of being evil terfs to shut them up. It's more about her not respecting her audience, refusing to understand them and being an egoist than legitimately homophobic (which she also seems to be to a slight degree).
>Also, does she have no sense of self-preservation? Like
>>1186918 said I just think she had grown a big head and became blind to her own surroundings, she's gotten away with the "woe is me, for I'm an oppressed hettie" posts before and then stepped over the line to the point people couldn't excuse her anymore. She's been coddled by her fans a lot and got used to being able to say ignorant things, even during this drama she tried to use the "I spoke with my bi and ace friends and they said I was right" defense so that shows you her nonexistent humbleness.
No. 1187075
>>1187059Samefagging to add:
>She posed this as a juxtaposition to the "weird queers she can't bond with" so in her mind she has a problem with these gay or bi people enjoying her work because she actually thinks they "can't get it" as if "older character domming over an innocent young sub" was something outlandishly deep and unpopular.I want to clarify this point. It's not at all hard to find other women who like this dynamic, it's like the most popular one of them all and it doesn't take much effort to find other artists that enjoy it. So it falls on her just lashing out at her audience and blaming them of her own insecurities that are supposedly keeping her from connecting with people with similar interests. How I see it and having read enough of her insecure rants while I was still following her, she probably gets jealous of the attention artists similar to her get so she doesn't really want to "be their friends" or anything, she just wants them to praise her work unconditionally.
No. 1187260
>>1187191It only isolates you from twitter degens
>>1187251Nta just shut up already, nobody gives a damn if you're le gay or if that artist is ~homophobic!! Pfft
No. 1188932
>>1188135Is right but
>>1188316Is also right that it's cringey to complain about your fanbase.
This is a thing in Finnish drawing/con/fandom circles bc radical queer is strong and there is very
toxic atmosfere to basic straight/bi white girls. Also to lesbians but differently bc lesbians are romanticised as long they accept girldick and hate if not accept. Basic straight/bi white girls get kind of bullied by special gender (straight/bi white girls) and treated idk how to describe it. Like: you cant sit with us, youre not cool enough, you don't deserve your audience and you have to agree with me you b
** or you get canceled. Its like girl mobbning, rolling eyes and talk bad behind your back specially if you are pretty basic girl.
No. 1189623
>>11889321) this was comically hard to read 2) go outside. the queer people weren’t bullying “white girls”. she lashed out at people she admitted she’d been sucking up to for clout, and they struck back. that’s really all that happened.
wouldn’t be surprised if this was the artist or one of her lackeys kek
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>>1190000Perhaps I have too much of a bleeding heart, but I bad for that person and it is pretty fucked up that they made fun of her. It does just seem like a little retarded drawing thing that she did for fun. There are artists on twitter drawing stuff that's way worse.
Also I just saw this (the "dogboylover" person is the one who replied to the tweet), which is kind of funny.
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>>1190000lul the dogboylover is a mess
No. 1190047
>>1190000They're mad about a completely non-offensive drawing, enough to publicly insult and block the artist. The artist is right to be upset, the person was acting like a cow. "Utterly humiliated" sounds a little bit extreme, but I can understand there a whole level of extram impact added when it's done to you in a public forum and from a person you respected as an artist.
>>1190027If this is the person who left the comment I would assume they thought the drawing was "twansphobic" lol
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>>1190000The OP deleted and apologized because the person who attacked them started crying about getting "transphobic and lesbophobic comments" kek
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>>1190240Chouxli is a lot better than me, I would have sat back and watched the hate. The other person should not have been an asshole.
No. 1190338
>>1190257It's obvious she only apologized out of peer pressure and perhaps to have a chance to play
victim herself. She doesn't sound like she gives a shit.
No. 1190719
>>1190000i get that it can be considered cringe but what is with this unnecessarily vitriolic hate towards people for completely inoffensive drawings?
on one hand, it can be "considered" playful rudeness to call someone a bitch, qrt their stuff and say that you fucking hate them or make fun of them but that "playful rudeness" is only fun or playful when it is your friends.
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Does anyone else think it’s weird that Veronica Gallardo (artist on Helluva Boss) is dating LS Mark who is like… 18? She’s 27… I can’t find anyone else talking abt this and it squicks me out fr…
No. 1191046
>>1191043This and an older woman dating a younger man is less
problematic by default than the reverse situation anyway because women don't tend to prey on weakness, naivity, inexperience and power imbalance like men do.
No. 1191299
>>1191291When people freak out about it, I remind them that at one point they were 5 years old when their GF/BF was 0. Or something like that. At some point one of you is older or younger, usually, one legal and one illegal when there is a gap [even if you don't meet during that time], so it's not that big of a deal. When you see them controlling, or actual grooming happening, then maybe get worried, but even 19 year olds dating 16 year olds, I'm not 100% freaked over because a lot of people are still in highschool or just graduated and literally still live in that mental state of being a teen. There's a limit and a reason to worry, but when it makes sense, like living in the same town or growing up together and things like that, there isn't a reason to freak. Especially when it's an 18+ dating another 18+.
>>1191001 This just seems like a stir the pot Twitter SJW issue.
No. 1191692
>>1191418because they're not, she was just rubbing herself on lsmark and another male youtuber I forgot the name of
veronica is just a youtube groupie
No. 1191776
>>1191289agreed. anyone can take an advantage of a significant age gap. the idea women never pray on nativity or weakness is how many girls end up getting groomed by other women.
if there are other red flags sure say something but these are both adults where likely no one on the internet knows them personally so it is very parasocial to assume shit
No. 1191983
>>1191001I dont really find it that disturbing but maybe that's bc the man in question is still a legal adult. I cant really talk on age gaps being icky when I have family members that married with such a large age gap.
But women can most certainly take advantage of minors just as men can, it's just that it tends to happen far less than men bc women commonly aren't such sexual deviants.
My mom told me about a female teacher she had that would pick a specific boy out of the class and give him "special treatment". She did this for years, and each one of my aunts except the youngest ended up getting her as a teacher as well and confirmed this.
No. 1191996
>>1191978>10/10 never has good intentionsNo shit kek it’s literally a 15 year old kid and an adult. Its nothing but bad intentions. I agree with
>>1191285 though because i’ve never seen an 18-19 year old dude get manipulated or groomed lol i could go on about why but this is the art salt thread not for terfposting
No. 1192022
>>1191776I mean, sure anyone can because there are always exceptions, but let's not ignore the fact that it's nearly always men who SEEK out 18 year olds specifically so they can manipulate, trap and groom them.
Most women who date younger guys don't have ill intentions, surely not as often (which is always) as men do.
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>>1191399They never announced an official date of their breakup except that they broke up in 2021 however, my personal tinfoil is May 2021.. half based on this tweet which made me lol, and half based on May being when Veronica's Chris related RTs stop. But who knows
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Any good, preferably non-coomer accounts to follow for that 80’s cartoon/comicy style of art?
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Does anyone have a screenie of the tutorial she was attacked over? Dying to know what it was
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>>1192897Here you go. The controversy is absolutely ridiculous.
No. 1192923
>>1192903Edgy tweens will send death threats on twitter for the mildest shit, but I don't see anything even a woke twitturd could cry about here? If they'll send death threats over even this then it follows they should be harassing every art teacher they've ever interacted with. Oh wait that's right, they'd stutter if they tried to say it irl, which is the exact reason they're desperate to be tough online.
>>1192866Ayrt, thanks for the advice. Yeah it is just lines, though I put importance in the lines because I'm trying to make a career out of it. Might fail but I want to attempt.
>You will combine both fun and self indulgence and learning together. Godspeed noniWill try, good luck to you too
No. 1192946
>>1192910because it uses the "x" and "O" to show that one is right or wrong when there is "no right way to do art", people have said that it's two different lighting sources (even though if you look at the shadow on the feet it is literally the same one), accusing the artist of saying cell shading and front lighting doesn't exist, people trying to overcorrect it, people saying that she didn't include enough information (one person linked Marc Burnet's ambient occlusion tutorial) and said she didn't know/teach enough + being a genshin artist.
This is really why artists don't provide criticism or feedback on art anymore and tutorials are becoming harder to find that aren't paywalled. If you don't include a disclaimer that says "but there's no wrong way to do art", provide no sense that either side is right/wrong or don't/do, etc. you open yourself up to getting harassed and criticized for god forbid trying to provide a tip on how they do things because these people cannot comprehend that not everything is meant for them.
No. 1193027
>>1192931Not sure if its a twitter thing because this is what i see in instagram all the time. Like legit any time i get one of those art reposting accounts on my explore feed with the "x" and "o" sign the comments will 100% always be filled with b-but what if its not My style?!!! Like as if the tutorial is holding them at chokehold lmao. People just get really
triggered over it for some reason. I personally think the tutorial isnt all that helpful (and some other artists QRTed politely about this) because it's a completely different lighting setup for different purposes, but again, it should have just led to a discussion, not a bunch of 15 year old artists feeling opressed over a red X sign
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Recently I found an artist on Twitter whose “ocs” are just two of the columbine high school shooters.
The artist gets praised by their followers for the characters and how “unique” and edgy they are.
Here’s a picture of their “oc” fucking their mother which is just Dylan Klebold and his mother. The artist also draws the two boys shipped together all the time and has drawn them recreating the deaths of the shooters yet no one has commented on the similarities.
No. 1193631
>>1193196I'm pretty sure some their followers know they're thinly-veiled placeholders for the Columbine shooters. Look at their following and mutuals, they're just part of the TCC.
It did not take me long to find the serial killer and shooter stans and fanart through who they were following and associate with.
No. 1193921
>>1193899Yeah it stands for True Crime Community, should have explained that better. There was subgroup of people on Tumblr a couple years back who would draw art for murderers like they were characters in some tv show. You can still find remnants of the art you would find there on pinterest or searching "tcc art tumblr".
The worst thing about those artists was they'd say shit like "I don't condone" but then draw like Dahmer fanart.
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We can never have nice things
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Go outside you retards who the fuck cares
No. 1196283
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>>1196227It's Kaeya to be specific, and the skin tones are drastically different. I can imagine the original artist eyeballed it and picked a tone that was too light and then continued to up the saturation and luminosity because there's no other way in my mind to get it this wrong.
>>1196258They are kind of right though, just because an artist doesn't speak english doesn't mean you need to treat them like an idiot or baby. It's already bad enough, there's no need to spam them with even more english
No. 1196297
>>1196227The character still looks like a
POC, especially against other characters. Twitterfags are insane.
No. 1196299
>>1196283>>1195762They made it less yellow toned, is that the issue? Because this looks like s
POC from whatever IP, but pink undertones.
No. 1196319
>>1196258Both of these commentators are black. It's always the
POC community who freaks out about this shit when it's literally not even a black character to begin with, it's a tanned as fuck asian dude [yellow tone, not pink tone].
No. 1196374
>>1195762Crying for a skintone that, even if is drastically paler, still doesn't look white is ridiculous.
I agree than that the artist shouldn't be coddled tho, it's dumb she apologized, but that's her choice
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>>1196258This reference was made 20+ years ago, and it continues to be relevant- especially when it comes to Twitter art discourse
No. 1197215
>>1197053If you really want to make sure, you can just color pick kek or try to keep the skintones in the same range every time. Picking a slightly darker tone would also work.
>>1197074You are.
>>1197117Kek I don't think you actually miss that, this and the bad art thread are full of nonas complaining about this exact thing and saying to just make an oc instead. People still change characters to look however they want and most people don't care outside of lc as long as it's not whitewashing or whatever else
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>>1197215When you compare the values of the original shading (left) and the fanart (right), they're practically the same but a bit lighter.
It's not that big of a deal.
No. 1197365
>>1197282They also made the hair darker, so it ends up looking lighter in contrast, but not a big issue either way.
>>1197304That anon said she missed when people could change the traits of a character drastically, isn't that exactly what it would be and what you all keep complaining about when done to characters like Miku? Fucking up a skintone unintentionally is an entirely different thing. Not saying one is worse than the other, just commenting on that anons strange wish when it's so obvious that none of you seem to like it usually
No. 1197459
>>1196227Besides it being absolutely boring, this is why i don't fucking draw fanart. The crowd you attract isn't worth the stress. And they're not even paying you.
>>1196557Just make a separate account. Setting your boundaries is important, and you give yourself time to experiment with what you like without throwing anyone off.
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Can any russian speaking nonas explain the context of all this going on?
https://twitter.com/abbystea/status/1529802801165094918 No. 1198779
>>1198419You forgot to mention that she was called and homophobic for drawing a male character with women and also pedo with that said male for looking to young.
She is also a transophobic for following J. K. Rowling.
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>>1198873I explained before. People are too stupid to understand I guess. She feeds off any sort of attention and that's how she's always been. Any attention is good for her lol.
>>1198814Picrel reminds me of genshit fandom
>>1198779go back
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>>1198888Someone made a collage of weird entitled behavior, it's pretty funny.
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kek a tumblr fanartist got called out for
>nazismaka liking attack on titan
>pedophiliaaka drawing sfw art of teenagers
>troonphobia aka liking harry potter
here’s a link to the full thing because oh god the reach, these twittards really need to touch grass:
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/12qUB_qSSqhL8K0pKotEf6QUr0ZTrBK3iCERiBE0wdmg No. 1201101
>>1201061(blogpost) shit like this makes me wonder how my twitterfag followers would react if i came out as a full-blown tranny-hating
terf. kek.
No. 1201132
>>1201101probably not well, but if you want to self-immolate over the political significance of <1% of the world population, that is your right i guess.
personally if i had to alienate an audience my focus would be pedophiles or nazis, but you do you.
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>>1201132Most trannies are "reformed" Nazis and pedo groomers so that would be like 3 birds one stone. But you have a point, if anon has a twitter audience she should milk them for all they worth and make some bucks instead of pissing them off kek
No. 1201180
>>1201176most trans people are transtrenders who are just teenagers who want to feel "special" or think that they can't be the gender they were born as because boys get criticized for wearing pink or whatever dumb irrelevant things normies get up in arms about.
valid to not want hyperreactive children following you but it honestly just makes you look silly to make up imaginary statistics about a group that barely exists.
No. 1201246
>>1201218you really think trans people are a meaningful percentage of the population because of twitter bios?
how many actual trans people have you knowingly encountered in real life (you know, the place that actually matters) vs people who aren't trans? you're trying to tell me that if there are 100 people in your grocery store, 10 or more will be trans? if that's your actual, genuine belief, you need medication.
i'm typically a lurker whose just here to read about drama, but i can't get over how much people wring their hands over the internet-diseased idpol hysterics on twitter but then do the same here, just with reverse opinions. it's like migrants-in-caravans level sometimes. if you hate trans people, that's whatever, but it just seems like a lot of projection considering how much this website overwhelmingly targets women more than any other demographic.
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What programs do people use to make renders like this?
No. 1201336
>>1199048You are correct, every those accusation were made from twitter with no solid proof.
After her first accusation of being a homophobe she tried to apologize but twitter started come up with new stuff to shit on her but still fail to cancel her. And in return the artist start to troll them on purpose just for lolz.
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Artnoob here, why is it that whenever I download a brushset they never look like the way they look on the images?
like picrel: I was watching this guy drawing (left) and he mentioned where to get the brush he's using, so I downloaded it and set the size to the size he was using but on mine canvas (right), it looks grainier for some reason.
No. 1201700
>>1201660Kind of an easy fix but it depends on what kind of drawing tablet you’re using and pen pressure settings. I’m assuming that the guy owns a different tablet than yours or has a different pen pressure sensitivity. It really makes a world of difference when you tinker with it. Hope this helps
nonnie.
No. 1202295
>>1201704Oh that's actually fucked up
>>1202287Doubtful. Most artists get higher numbers on twitter or insta. I've actually seen artists post the same piece on all three platforms and tumblr always gets the least action
No. 1202473
>>1202385Linked vid has some good recommendations; my favorite yt channel for learning Blender would be Grant Abbitt's (he has a discord channel and I got some good help there too), everything is very well explained, so it's not just mindlessly following someone else steps
https://www.youtube.com/c/GrantAbbittand if you don't mind paying (or just using free trial real fast), CG cookie is really good too
https://cgcookie.com/ No. 1202494
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Wasn’t yueko preaching about how NFTs were better than selling physical prints
No. 1202519
>>1202494People who are driven solely by money will say just about anything to justify doing and saying stupid stuff tbh.
What's really stupid to me is that she honestly could've made a patreon and make a killing with breakdowns and tutorials of her art and exclusive shit since she has the following for it. From what I understand it takes longer to get a profit from NFTs anyways, right? Also it's like every other week I hear about the the market crashing, it barely seems worth getting into.
No. 1203063
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Nonnies, I'm worried about money and I'm starting to seriously wonder how much money I could make drawing vanilla porn. I feel really ashamed but I remember some anon mentioning this topic and I was wondering if any of you could tell me how it was. Was it worth it ?
No. 1203082
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>>1202494Its obious she does it to stay relevant through controversy. Her koeiyue account is funny to read too, shes become too much of a pussy to stick to her guns about nfts on her main because of "haters." She very obviously cares what people think of her and wants to be adored by everyone and luckily money cant buy personality kek
also why does her head look so tiny
No. 1203305
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>>1203178not surprising at this point. he’s been on massive schizo rants for a while now.
No. 1203999
>>1203515I like columbo, didn't know she had an NSFW account, do you know the @?
And I'm also thinking of NSFW art as a side thing. Looks like if you cater to niche ships, the fans of them may not be well fed in that regard and be more likely to support your stuff. Larger accounts reposting your stuff to their audience can help gain you traction.
>>1203368 seems like good advice too.
No. 1204134
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potozaur on twitter has a very unique artstyle but i wish she would stop larping as a he/him gay man. picrel is her and her boyfriend.
No. 1204151
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>>1204134this is just the bi-sexual gf and gamer bf meme but made unironically
No. 1204203
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>>1204201I only say this because of this post kek
No. 1204481
>>1203598Something I try to keep in mind is that 50 likes and 10 retweets may seem low, but if 50 people came up to you and said they liked your work and 10 of those people decided to share it with others, you'd feel pretty good for the rest of the day.
I get where they're coming from because if you want to freelance or make a living off of your work you need to rely on social media to an extent, but thinking about numbers too much can make you end up hating your art
No. 1205561
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speaking of cyarin upthread, look at this cyarin skinwalker I stumbled across on IG, @alicjanai. just looking at her feed you can tell she’s bought loish tutorials and uses every style of post cyarin does to emulate, upon first glance I thought many of the posts on her feed were cyarin artworks. she even did the winx series and does outfit redraws in the same style. it clearly works too looking at her following.
can’t believe people are upset over AI artwork when artist skinwalkers and pinterest matte painting redraw “artists” make up the bulk of the Instagram “art community”
No. 1207359
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This has been brought up in previous threads but there is something seriously fucked up with yuurina_. The gap in skill is too much, there’s no fucking way you can draw the hand on the right and then a month later draw the hand on the left. She keeps getting attention from nijisanji talent and I seriously don’t understand how she’s still openly tracing.
No. 1207524
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>>1207359I don't think it has to be tracing, it looks like this artist just can't draw hands and somehow fixes it on some of their more finished work. Could be using photos or 3D models to do it. Some people just really like drawing faces and nothing else.
No. 1208798
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Anonettes, how do I stop over rendering? I’m working on a piece I really like but I can’t help that I’m overdoing the rendering. It’s driving me bananas.
No. 1208863
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>>1207359>3,600 followers>Something seriously fucked upI dunno, I feel like anyone under the free 10K follower threshold will come to a realization about SOCIETY and break moral conventions (i.e. tracing).
No. 1208904
>>1204203Looks like Duckman and another character design from a comic. Maybe from the 80’s /90’s but they had big noses like that.
>>1207790Not for just you but if you trace over a 3D modeling program do you have to tell people? I’ve seen artists use the base for the whole figure and paint clothes on top. It saves time but it seems like cheating.
No. 1209003
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Is it possible to gain a following and get commissioned with original art? I’m not a fan of… anything. Not at the moment. And it’s hard to draw something i’m not into or don’t know the character’s energy. And it’s hard to get into communities when you’re on the edge of poverty and depressed. I hate my life atm. I like to think i have good skills but not in the right mental state to just take my time and im getting desperate
No. 1209080
>>1209003One way I've found somewhat helpful to get around the whole "I don't think I'm a fan of anything" issue is to ask non-art friends for character suggestions and treat them kind of like requests. They usually pick out a franchise I'm at least vaguely familiar with, or a character they really love and can tell me a lot about to fill the gaps for me. It makes me feel motivated to finish the piece since it feels less like I'm working on it just to toss it in the twitter void, I focus more on it being a little gift for a friend.
The only possible downside is accidentally gaining a following from a fandom you don't care about and don't want to be stuck in I guess.
No. 1209490
>>1209003I feel you. I don’t want to be a part of any fandom, social media scares me and I feel weird drawing some character over and over.
I too need to feel inspired to draw, the subject has to matter to me. What I do is that I try to watch a movie or a series which interests me and pick some character from there (if there’s someone who catches my attention). But I’m just a hobby artist, without any actual following. Like I said, I don’t engage on SM, I put out something twice a month, get some likes and I’m ok with it.
No. 1209740
>>1209003you might not be a fan of anything enough to make fanart, but you must like some tv shows, books, movies, video games right? analyze what kind of media you enjoy, is it fantasy, sci fi, slice of life? do you love colorful illustrations, more graphic work, very intricate pencil work? do you enjoy media that focuses on human characters or animals?
once you find out what subjects and art you truly love, you can start creating artwork you love too. you don't need to draw fanart at all, but you need to know what you like before you're able to create.
No. 1209859
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>>1209003Personally, I feel like detachment and more importantly, apathy, make you better suited to gaining a following.
With no shame or pride in your work you could put out the dumbest eye-rolling ideas and "RKGKs" and the thing is, it sells.
No. 1209871
>>1209061>>1209080>>1209476>>1209740>>1209490>>1209494Thanks guys, thanks for the perspective and honesty. It helps clear up some things in these trying times.
>>1209199Be careful what you wish for
>>1209069Yup, i do miss being worry-free enough to be a fan of things and thus create fanart.
>>1209859You’re absolutely right. I am trying to get myself into this mindset and kill my ego and pride that criticizes my work. This isn’t the time to be self critical. Lol
No. 1209978
>>1209003i grew my following solely with original work while doing fanart every once in a blue moon, but i started posting art during tumblr prime days. in this climate anon i think you need to understand it's gonna take you years to gain a huge following (I'm talking 50k+ followers) with just original work. you might hate fanart, but it does wonders getting eyes on your work. i play the social media game and will draw fotm anime girl just to get some new fresh eyes on my work, but keep in mind my gallery is 99.9% original work.
Sorry for rambling, but its definitely possible to gain a following with just original work and get commissions that way. Just be ready for that to take a few years to achieve.
No. 1210139
>>1210029I was one of the anons lamenting over not wanting to draw fanart, and I don't know why, because I'm sure I've heard it before, but what you said just clicked with me. I won't draw fan art but there are some concepts from media I like and will implement more into my own work.
>>1209859>>1209753Also valuable reminders.
On the subject of where people spend money, does anyone here have any luck with places like reddit?
Thanks!
No. 1210307
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>>1210139Ko-fi is apparently a commission site. The site itself has no userbase so you'll need to cover the marketability part on your own.
No. 1210318
>>1209003Plenty of people make a name for themselves with original art, most of the artists that I follow are like that because I prefer seeing original creations than endless amounts of fanart. Drawing fanart requires you to follow trends and stay one step ahead of everyone else and that gets exhausting and soul sucking, it's not a sustainable model because it will burn you out sooner or later and the disinterest will shine through. Just look at latest Sakimichan pieces, they're atrocious and people have gotten so bored of them she's now resorted to edgy shock value like the aged up sexy Anya to keep the numbers up.
And even going viral with your fanarts doesn't guarantee a follower base. Like others already said, art is a social hobby and gaining popularity is honestly all about connections. That's why so many popular artists are subpar at best, they just happened to be at the right place at the right time and knew the right people.
No. 1210545
>>1210318This isn't always the case, but when I see an artist with a large following for their original work I look to see what Fandom they came from. A lot of people drop off when they stop making fanart, but they still have enough of a base to keep the momentum going. Personally I can't see myself wasting that much time in a fandom, but I guess you just really have to like it. Nevertheless this is comforting to read.
I'm honestly getting a little bored of even looking through mountains of fanart myself. It really does burn me out.
No. 1210638
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>>1208904You don't have to disclose that you use 3D models, in fact, lots of comic artists are very open about them as simply apart of the drawing process! I think the important distinction is using them as a crutch vs as a tool. Greg Smallwood has been my favourite artist for a while and he uses references and 3D models frequently, it's interesting to see the process when time saving is important.
No. 1210651
>>1209003100% doable. It's harder than doing fanart but it's far from impossible. Though it helps immensely to have a niche/aesthetic you do consistently, or find communities to leech attention off of. I do sfw monsters/creature character designs and got most of my followers from labelling my art "furry" and consistently dropping pictures of stuff like cartoon bugs.
Having a niche also helps a ton in getting commission clients, because clients are gonna look for artists who are good at drawing their prefered subject matters. I.E. if you wanna get clients for like TTRPG character art, put yourself out there consistently drawing fantasy character designs and tagging them as stuff like "DnD".
No. 1211503
>>1211261Yeah and not just tracers or impersonators, but also accounts whose content is just reposting others' content without credit. Came across one such post earlier and the comments were saying the original artist doesn't like being reposted. But there were bright sparks defending it, like "the moment an artist puts art on social media, they're saying here's some art do what you want with it. If you dont want it reposted, don't post it somewhere it can happen." The entitlement.
I agree with
>>1211278 that if you want to post something, go for it, but I'm also saying be aware of entitled people like this. Watermarks and signatures might help, though at the cost of detracting from the art.
No. 1211622
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Imagine putting such an autistic watermark over a silly generic doodle
No. 1211646
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>>1211622>>1211628I made a clean version, out of boredom
No. 1211783
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>>1211622Apparently the artist did that because of this
No. 1211965
>>1211783I've had this happen numerous times, it comes when you draw for big ass fandoms without fail. Best you can do is just report everytime.
>>1211622>>1211646wowiee so petty nonaa congrats.
No. 1212037
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>>1211681I think he both traces and references his images! The process of stylisation makes it a little harder to tell. He doesn't have to credit his references because he makes his own! Smallwood honestly goes above and beyond with his references, the body is actually himself, as are some of the hands! Obviously he uses stock images too, however he's changed them enough to not be blatant copies of the original stock image. That's why 3D models are a really good development for commercial artists, there's no(or less) trademark issues with tracing 3D models, especially ones you've posed or sculpted yourself.
No. 1212718
>>1211622>>1211646>>1211783I have to watermark my art too because of retarded kids constantly reposting my shit to instagram to start shipping/fandom wars. It's really fucking annoying and ruined the fun of creating fanart for me pretty quickly.
Removing watermarks is an absolute dickmove, too. I know you did it to be funny but I wish everyone who reposts and removes watermarks would finally realise how disheartening it is for the original artist.
No. 1212737
>>1212718My issue also comes with these idiots complaining about how not hard it is to create these stolen photos but can't be famed to do it themselves then if it's so easy to create this stuff like
>>1211622 says. If it's easy, make your own doodle.
No. 1212750
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Is this serious? what quality?
No. 1212906
>>1212847Dumb question: how does one get out of the awkward intermediate artist phase?
>inb4 practiceYeah, I know, but targeted practice or just keep at it and hope your style falls into place? My art looks awkward kinda like that and I have no idea how to fix it.
No. 1213031
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>>1209003I actually feel that nowadays you don't need to draw fanart to get noticed. Either that or instagram isn't sure what I like because I separate my fan interests. I only get original art on my discovery page.
If you post on instagram just make reels of any thing it grabs a lot of attention. There are so many different types of reels you could film and most of the trends/sounds used are very very low effort. What comes to mind is "I made this
pop and this
pop and this
pop". These types of reel audios allow you to post your own original work and get attention easily.
You could also just post your exercises and studies as separate posts and as reels with a trending audio as well. A lot of people eat it up. One of the anons said you could watch something which I think is a great idea just stop at a random frame and share the result as a compositional study/color study/whatever.
DITS challenges also work especially if it's made by an artist with a relative following, most of the time they share the art made.
You could also work on a specific thing that makes your art distinguishable eg: hatching, monochrome, theme etc.
I used to follow an artist that drew pretty girls, very common for instagram, but when stood out was the hatch work at first. She always experimented with different mediums and techniques while clearly knowing how to position her work and draw attention to it (i.e design). Next thing I know she's working on an indie game as a character designer.
Good luck!
No. 1213399
>>1213355Different anon but I just wanna add that Netorare is not just "cheating", it's kind of a fucked up hentai genre where we see things from the perspective of the protagonist (scrote viewer self-insert) in the role of the cuckold,
while the woman he likes can cheat on him voluntarily, be raped or something in between. It doesn't need to be his girlfriend or wife who is "stolen", it can also be a childhood friend or even family member (so it sometimes overlaps with incest). It also overlaps with gyaru fetish a lot because lol gyarus are cheating sluts amirite. You'll see ugly bastards in this genre a lot, doing the cucking. NTR focuses on the feelings of sadness and jealousy the MC gets when the woman is taken by another guy. Sometimes he ends up getting off to it at the end while still being jealous and depressed, kek. It's fucking retarded. When the protagonist is the one who "steals" the woman from another guy, it's called Netori, but that one doesn't seem to be as popular as Netorare. And when the MC being cucked voluntarily it's Netorase.
Absolute loser coomers love NTR but it also makes other scrotes really mad so be careful with it if you decide to draw it.
No. 1213446
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Have any anons here used this? Did you actually get money from it?
No. 1213837
>>1213738More people are coming back to Tumblr so it wouldn't hurt to try. I recently saw a new user grow to 300 followers in just a month. I would also vouch Tumblr because the tagging system allows art to have a lifespan of more than 20 seconds unlike the other social medias rn.
I guess you can try Twitter or Insta but you have to also sell people on your personality on Twitter. Attention spans are rapidly decreasing so unless you're not posting everyday people are going to forget/become uninterested about you.
Tumblr is a good place to find niches/subcultures if you want to hone in on a particular market but Twitter/Insta have more users. Sorry for the blogpost but best of luck anon.
No. 1213905
>>1213860Nayrt except she literally described surface level and the "underneath" which
has become standard that the non-degenerate type is hard to find. You'd expect taboo cheating/cuck bf/hot man stealing you away from shitty partner, and you get "blackmailing rape pedophile incest highschool girl costume scat stolen mother old ugly man "corruption" because women can't enjoy sex" etc. degen Japanese shit. Your post radiates twitter.
No. 1214043
>>1213446I have a friend who does this. If you have a lot of followers you can make a good income from it, he has about 300k followers, and he told me he makes sure every month to check their requirements to make the max amount (this is stuff like going live, sharing reels, etc) Once you start doing it I guess instagram tells you exactly how many of each thing it wants you to do per month. iirc he told me he makes $600 a month just from going live. He wasn't doing reels much yet when we talked (this was like a year ago) so I'm not sure about that.
Semi related but he also posts videos of him making art to facebook and he told me if it gets decent views he'll make about $2k per post. But his entire life is marketing himself so don't expect to make these numbers unless you have legtimately impressive (to normies) or clickbait worthy art.
tldr: yes it can be worth it, but you will probably have to sell your soul.
No. 1214340
>>1213905If you find that combination of secondary tags you literally have to look for it.
also, "hot guy steals you away from shitty partner." is more along the likes of netori as opposed to netorare.
No. 1215373
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This is supposed to be Max from Stranger Things. There’s just something kinda skeevy about making a gussied up pornified version of a 13 year old girl. Don’t like it.
No. 1215477
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>>1215373seeing the reference vs. that art says it all lol the only thing that allows you to tell its the same character is the shirt.
No. 1215503
>>1215477She's a pretty girl, the drawing made her look plastic as fuck.
>>1215452Male insta artists also do it though. I think it's social media poisoning that they can't imagine faces without filtered versions.
No. 1216001
>>1215991Art prof
New masters academy
No. 1216009
>>1215373He didn't even bother looking at the picture. Her face is not like that at all. He probably only knows how to make one type of face. Pitiful.
Also, her shirt has no green in the original picture.
No. 1216097
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>>1215373>>1216009It's a woman that drew this interestingly enough. It's been nagging me since yesterday, whose style is she ripping off exactly? Bluesssatan maybe, who else?
No. 1216215
>>1216196Ah yes, this is it I think! Very similar to cyarin. You're right anon
>>1216208 it's not that close to bluesssatan but I've thought of her because of these pointy eyelashes and saturated colors
No. 1216263
>>1211783>waaah they're stealing my profits from meeeeit's a fucking on model pokemon fanart you're not allowed to profit on it in the first place
i hope gamefreak/TPC throw a suit at her just bc she seems insufferable
No. 1216272
>>1216256The art style that appeals to the masses is so uninteresting and ugly like
>>1216097 >>1215373>>1205561That’s the main difference, but in the same time what appeals to artists also appeals to the masses (unless we’re talking niche shit only an artist would see the value in)
No. 1216479
>>1216256art style that appeals to other artists if I had to choose, better in the long run. you feel like shit when you don't have the respect of your peers.
having a marketable style, and the respect of your peers is possible though, it's not either or.
No. 1216674
>>1216256Mass appeal art is the deliberate use of chibis or wobbly "RKGK" lines to fill out 20/30 days because the artist vaguely believes in the consume product meme.
Of course, artist sounds like autist so choice is more of a compulsion.
No. 1216811
>>1216256It honestly depends on what you want to achieve.
For more visibility, I'd choose the former, but if you want to develop relationships with other artists, I'd probably go with the latter.
Like, obviously social media is rather fickle and nothing is 100% guaranteed, but the majority of you audience unless it's a niche is going to be normies. So I see the appeal of having the former for easier access to a larger audience. Other artists aren't the majority of people buying your merch or pledging to Patreon, it's mainly other non-artists. If you aren't appealing to them you'd HAVE to find a niche somewhere or you'll struggle a bit.
No. 1216927
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Anime Expo posted this to the chagrin of the artist alley people who prepped up their tables. Any predictions?
No. 1217208
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Can we talk about cartoonists here, or is that a bit off since they're kinda a separate sphere?
G Prime's making a shtick out of drawing himself groping women the punchline is that anyone that calls him weird is a triggered snowflake
No. 1217429
>>1216256Seriously speaking appealing to other artists isn't hard because it requires genuine skill but because artists tend to be unironic crabs that at the same time envy and hate everyone more talented than they are. They might recognize your skill and acknowledge that you produce quality work but they will never congratulate you for it and will attack you if given the chance. That's why so many artists have imposter syndrome and low self esteem and the "suffering artist" trope even exists, art as a field is based on constant self flagellation and judgmentalism.
As for the difference between them, masses want to see things that are familiar to them and don't challenge them, it's like you have to be a curbside pickup at a chain restaurant for them. So it's more about the portrayed subject matter and the style not being that offensive while with other artists you get more range. Personally I'd like neither because both of the options seem to be a wild goose chase.
No. 1217853
>>1217475Look at the asterisk at the bottom it translates to ‘you’re already pregnant’ which is a play on the meme ‘you’re already dead’ from an old anime
>>1216256I’d rather have a style that will provide consistent customer interaction (sales), a good fan base and the respect of my fellow artists. Those circles never seem to cross, unfortunately.
No. 1218962
>>1217786Femboys are somewhat tranny adjacent, maybe it's related to that
>>1217725Yeah, he has the MAGAtard beliefs that could appeal to poltards and edgy conservatives down but for some reason is a boomer tier of pro israel. He still has plenty of fans though
>>1217335To be honest I get you, and I used to give him a bit of credit for being pretty much the only e-rightwing cartoonist that draws at higher than 13 year old level but
nonny pls he's sleaaaazy. All the nonnas here need to practice to get better than him out of spite
No. 1219122
>>1217786I think femboys are pretty cute but if youre talking about moeblob with a dick i get it
>>1217208Wasn’t this dude drawing pretty conservative trad tier shit victimizing women in his comics during the presidential election lol? Moid tricks old as time
No. 1219184
>>1219169I'm talking about like grown women, 20+ women here. I'm 25 and women my age still like boybanders or former boybanders like Harry Styles and shit and my nerdier friends still like anime dudes. These aren't teenagers these are grown ass women
>>1219173I don't agree, I'm not attracted to femininity or long hair or any of that. I like a masculine/butchier look in both women and men even though I'm bisexual and definitely attracted to both women and men. And paleness is gross to me, pale people just look like ghosts, not talking about race, darker skinned people of every race are more attractive to me.
No. 1219739
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>>1219204>a trendWait until you find out what a sexy attractive Western man looked like in the 1600s and 1700s. Hint very pale and feminine
No. 1219767
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>>1219739what are you even on about, there's a huge difference between what are labelled feminine aesthetics and moeblob pseudo-female traps and femboys, like your applying modern forms of gender expression on people who lived centuries ago
No. 1219771
>>1219767That anon was talking about things like women liking boybands and how pale skinny men are gross.
Pale skinny cute men have been trending for centuries.
No. 1219778
>>1219767samefag, as others have mentioned being attracted to young good looking males is healthy and natural for hetro/bisexual women, the issue with "traps and femboys" traps and femboys, is that they fetishize borderline transness. It’s all a fetish. They don’t actually want to transition, they like the idea of 1. Tricking men into thinking they’re attractive young women 2. Looking like young girls and having a dick 3. Being the center of attention in whatever space they take because their weird fetish has to be “validated” as a true identity. Most of all, they get to put their fetish on display with little to no criticism since this shit is big in video game and anime fandoms
>>1219771shit didn't realize that
No. 1219812
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>>1219739>>1219772Prior to the modern warfare. even soldiers had high standards to be dressed head to toe respectfully, it was the first and second world wars that changed global ideas about masculinity, as an example WW1 single handedly ended beards as a sign of masculinity in the west, cause it was mandatory for all soldiers to shave any facial hair
https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-culture/warfare-changed-mens-style/#:~:text=It's%20a%20common%20lament%20among,shaven%20to%20seal%20their%20masks.
>When WWI-era soldiers returned to the United States, they appeared in newsreels and newspapers as well as their hometowns. They were all shaven to within stringent Army regulations — and America liked the new look. Facial hair would fall out of favor until the 1960s and, even then, it was mostly American counterculture that re-embraced the beard. No. 1219832
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>>1219772I agree. 18th century and early 19th century was the pinnacle of male fashion.
No. 1219866
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>>1219859Of course the average farmer wore simpler fashion made of wool. I wish modern men's special occassion wear would take inspiration from that period though.
Fun fact: Norwegians wear outfits based on 1700s farmer fashion when they dress up for things like the national day. It's called bunad.
No. 1219881
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>>1219866And these were the barmen on the outskirts of cities. Dear lord take me back
No. 1219889
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>>1219866Wow that is really cool looking. I had no idea scandinavians had narodne nošnje (traditional costume I guess). Interesting!
No. 1219909
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>>1219889Which country is that from nona?
Yeah Norway love their traditional costumes! Posting a Norwegian bride because they used to wear cool crowns like queens.
No. 1219912
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Does anyone else follow Rainylune? I found her just before she blew up and I really liked some of her silly merch items like the long frog and the frog with a knife in the shirt pocket are cute, but lately every time she pops up on my TL it's just insufferable 'uwu i have adhd i'm quirky' tweets. I guess it's time to unfollow, her merch doesn't even really appeal to me anymore.
No. 1220114
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>>1219832I'll argue Minoan aesthetics were superior, the men dressed like Jojo characters and the women had most their lower body covered with their chests and forearms being bare
No. 1220115
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Reconstructions of Minoan womans clothing
No. 1220147
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>>1220114Epic, thanks for posting, I like egyptian clothing
No. 1220167
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>>1220162This fresco is a forgery by scrote archeologists who thought there was too little images of men in power at the goddess focused Knossos, but yes the men did wear those girdles and loincloths. Here are some men being servants, as they should be.
No. 1220174
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>>1220170https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_the_LiliesEvans had a pet theory about a priest-king and he really wanted it to be true, and reconstructed the fresco like that.
Most of their human art was of women in religious settings. It's not controversial.
No. 1220364
>>1220170even if its true it isnt like society was much better.
they want men to be servants because they want to be the ones being worshipped like goddesses lul but the reality is that most servents in ancient times were poor, regardless of whether they were men or women.
so really they just want poor people to work for and worship them
No. 1221378
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is this oversized setup really necessary for 20 prints or so and her rushed art book?
No. 1221621
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is it just me that hates when artist draw deformed/absurdly wide thigh gaps like this?
No. 1222266
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>>1222065KEK seems like she did exactly just that, right in the middle of AA.
it says "exhibitors list" on the right where its cut off, couldn't capture the full thing but its on armageddon expo's site as a pdf. Those seem like the bigger tables mentioned. I highlighted her name on the AA list. She's not the only one but its particularly funny since she has said she "feels better" about making nfts rather than physical goods while flying around the world and having representatives at other cons selling her shit for her.
No. 1223359
>>1223339Anon, the hardest part of starting out is that your drawings aren't always going to look great. Your tastes and what you're interested in is always going to exceed your current skill level. The goal isn't just making a decent drawing, it's learning HOW to do it.
If you find yourself constantly in a rut, you should be examining all your prior drawings and figuring out which ones you prefer. Try to point out details that you find appealing and figure out why.
This will help you understand what your tastes are and teach you to go over what you're doing. Being able to point out why you liked something or why an element didn't work for your previous drawing will help you improve.
No. 1224635
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Has anyone been keeping up with the drama with Iamlunasol, western fujioshi artists are insane, these are two completely different designs that've been executed differently
No. 1225068
>>1224999same reason there is a con for anything else. People like to gather around a central or common hobby.
>>1224635At first I was kind of sus on whether it was stolen or just inspired, but looking into the thread the artist deactivated all their socials and apparently they have had a history of stealing or using heavily inspired designs from other artist.
No. 1225263
>>1225180No
>>1225220 Yup. I wasn’t even the anon that shitted on fujos.
No. 1225633
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Webtoon is under fire for this
No. 1225692
>>1225633I always wonder what goes through the copy writer's mind when their ad copy gets the internet riled up. Maybe "I told you so" to the marketers who love to nitpick everything? Kek.
>>1225685More like targeting artists to make comics as a side hustle and to use webtoon as their platform.
No. 1226066
>>1225633Sperg incoming,
I wouldn't be caught dead on this shitty platform. It doesn't surprise me at all people would flock to it for a chance at a brain dead teenage audience and to fight for scraps at the mere mention of money. Webtoons creators won't shut up about how shit their platform treats them but then think there are absolutely 0 alternatives if it means they need to do legwork to pull their own audience for their 500th sanitized villainess-loves-the-protag story. All the while webtoon chews creators up and spits them out if they fall behind or don't fit their cookie cutter mold.
Sites like these shitted up webcomics, now that it's a billion dollar industry people think they instantly need to make polished, marketable sterile work at a breakneck clip, when that's not at all how webcomics started.
Capitalism ruins everything.
No. 1226127
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If I showed up for my tattoo and this is what they put on my arm I would just cheese grater it off jfc
No. 1226853
>>1226462Vertical scrolling is the worst way to present a damn comic, the repetitive mechanical motion gets irritating and it ends up being a bunch of wasted space in between paneling. And unless the creator already made a page format alternative so that their comic wont just become vaporware, it's also stupid difficult to print and archive.
I doubt a site like this can go under but if it and every other scroll comic host did because it fell out of fashion or whatever, good luck with your lossy long files.
No. 1227458
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Who are your favorite traditional artists?
No. 1227753
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>>1227458Right now, someone called Roberto ferri on Instagram, teally realistic art. I'm bored of anime faces.
No. 1228181
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>>1227753I follow him and a few other traditional artist that have been mentioned like Bao Pham.
No. 1229572
>>1229510Her videos were never all that good or entertaining, and in my opinion, neither is her art.
I remember when everyone was talking about her channel, but I think she's really stagnated. She doesn't really do much of anything new. That's kind of what happens when you wedge yourself into a certain type of format; eventually people get bored of you.
No. 1229600
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does anyone else experience imposter syndrome when it comes to their own art? i feel like whenever i draw something that i actually like i always end up thinking "oh well its actually not that good and the only reason why it looks ok is because i used this brush/color setting/software/etc"
No. 1229611
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decent twitter artists stop captioning your art with genderfaggotry challenge
No. 1230924
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Omg, Not the whole cultural appropriation bs again
No. 1230932
>>1230924Pretty sure "cultural genocide" is the
deliberate destruction or suppression of a culture. So mistaking something from a culture as being from another one doesn't count, since there's no one trying to take the original culture away from its people or destroy their art and traditions.
No. 1231187
>>1230924>literally every movie monster could be considered appropriationthis is why this discussion can't be had with gen z, they're stupid!
I think it's important to do research about a culture or traditional clothing or ritual of a certain people if you want to draw it, but acting like it's some racist genocide of cultures if you draw a fantasy character in native garb, for example, is why I can't take any of these discussions seriously.
No. 1231552
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>Part of a small art discord
>Mostly chill and able to get legitimately decent critiques that have helped me improve
>One lady speaks like a terminally online teen
>Will only react/comment on select artists
>When she does, it's very obnoxious things like "omg so cracked! hsffjnggf" and other suck up language
>Makes a lot of annoying comments about the "str8s"
>Claims to be genderfluid
Anyone deal with people like this? It's doubly frustrating bc her technical skills are solid, but her actual style is edgy animu sameface where everyone looks like they're always ahegao/gesugao. At least it motivates to improve more so that I can ignore them.
No. 1233083
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>>1219772redpassion is that you?
No. 1233476
>>1233379Same boat, nonna, I don't want to mark off my fucking gender and pronouns, I don't want to hang around 30 year old children going off about genshin characters skin tones. I wanna make and talk about art.
Off topic but is anyone else who is 25+ feeling pushed out of art circles online lately? Personally I feel like it's been hard to relate or talk to others my age because they're either still mentally 12, or they're married and have kids so that's 85% of what they talk about (I don't give a shit about people's kids or 'fur babies').
I just feel out of place so it can be isolating and was wondering if anyone else can relate.
No. 1233542
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why does this artist insist on these hamster cheek thing i dont get it its so ugly
No. 1233543
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No. 1233634
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>>1233621The positioning makes it look less like cheeks and more like Ezra Miller jaw bulge kek
No. 1234049
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>discounted price of 780 usd
>grotesque coomer art
No. 1234297
>>1234219What the other anon said. I’ve been to groups where people have brought their tablets along with traditional media. You don’t have to bring prints if you don’t have them already.
To note- even if you don’t have a business yet (or plan to) having a few business cards with your name/handle socials and email is a great start so you can get in contact with others and it’s a step up instead of saying “check me out here” because people will forget.
No. 1235101
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I am opening commissions for the first time ever, I wrote down the process in my form but I want to know from others who've done comms if this is scam proof?
No. 1235354
>>1235101The most important thing you need is a revisions rule, like one revision only and charge $10 for each further one (or whatever is in your realm of acceptability). I don't do comms but revisions/changes are the main way commissioners waste artist's time and annoy them. If it's open-ended they will request 20 free revisions and the comm will never get done.
Also right to refuse service for any reason (actual reason being they seem like a creep or something)
Give yourself more time, put double the wait time you actually will take. Under-promise, over deliver. This also gives you wiggle room to be busy or sick without them complaining.
No. 1235372
>>1235354Samefag, Also agree with anon above, you are giving a free sketch before payment? Payment up front, saves you from some timewasters, you can always refund if you run into any issues at the sketch stage.
Also keep communication as short and non personal as possible, from both sides, customer service is also a job and unless you include that in your prices you shouldn't do it (no humoring them talking about their lives, health problems or whatever, don't share that info with a customer either)
(Obviously don't include that in your rules but something to keep in mind, any buyer/seller interaction that gets too chatty or personal goes south, from my observation.)
Also: don't undercharge, again you avoid timewasters who want to boss around an artist for five bucks. Charge more and save yourself the bother.
Be very clear about cost per character, cost for background, it seems open ended here.
Include a list of things you will not draw to save time from those people asking.
(I'm an artist but this is all from observation of other artists who offer comms)
No. 1235744
>>1235101Telling people how long your process takes is a terrible idea unless you want people hounding you about why their commission isn't done.
You're also setting yourself up for failure if something comes up and you have to delay a commission because you've given yourself no time.
Estimate how long you think it will take to deliver a piece maximum and tell the client triple that amount of time. Your timeline for a sketch, for example, should never be less than a week even if you know you can finish it sooner.
No. 1235922
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Built like a dollieguts character
No. 1236097
>>1235101first thing that popped out to me is that a sketch and clean lineart takes you about the same amount of time to finish, don't offer paid sketches at all if you have to do the same amount of work for less pay.
Don't tell them your work speed, you can still get the commission done in a timely manner but don't put that expectation in their mind. Ask them if they have a deadline, but don't tell them how long you'll take.
For my commissions, I give them a messy sketch first and only offer changes to major things like a pose at that time only. If they like the sketch, I don't work on the final until payment is given. The only revisions I offer after a commission is finished is things like color (easy to change) I don't offer paid revisions at all, and commissioners are more specific about what they want because of this.
No. 1236984
>>1235101Important things to note:
-Always take payment upfront, even for sketches. If you're worried about feeling like you're ripping people off, at least take
half before continuing with anything else. This will prevent you from getting screwed over if a client bails in the later stages.
-You don't need to explain every bit of your process in detail. Save that for the refund/copyright policy for your TOS. That's where you'll need it the most for your own protection. When it comes to your process, keep it simple.
-Clients really, REALLY don't need to know how you painstakingly take on a sketch. It not only leads to scenarios in which people will hound you like hell (like other anons mention), but it leaves you open to being taken advantage of.
You can easily write something like **"The turnaround for sketches is about ~2-3 days. Clean lines is ~3-5 days. Colored drawing takes the most amount of time of 4-7 days."** Done. If you want, also add a disclaimer saying that depending on your health/circumstances the commission could take longer, but that's it.
Stuff about WIPs being watermarked should just be a general statement if it's not already in your TOS. Other than that, your statement at the end about refunds is fine. Don't be afraid to give a refund if you don't want to deal with an annoying client.
No. 1237409
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persona zine head mod ran off with $25k CAD apparently spent it all on genshin but idk i honestly think the other mods are in on it there's just no way they would overlook something like this for so long
No. 1237504
>>1237409i think the other mods are too. everyone is pitying them now but this shit has been going on for MONTHS, there's no way they didn't have a clue like they're saying
>>1237468it was a woman anon. her name is theresa. she's had her full name revealed by multiple mods at this point kek, they're real mad
No. 1237784
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>>1237409lmao what a dumpster fire this is
No. 1237885
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>>1237409both showtime and the persona cook book zine
were managed by ree it seems like they were in trouble before this, the other finance mod is also sloppy af so it's ridiculous that they're shifting the entire blame on one person to try to get away from this trash fire
No. 1238191
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>>1237885I find it especially disgusting considering how mismanaged all of this was (not that it's uncommon for zines).
Let's be real, at some point if huge amounts of money are involved it is no longer a "passion project zine" it's a job with
responsibilities. If you can't handle that you shouldn't be running an anthology (I'm calling it that because it is one).
People aren't going to care if your excuses are "well zines are built on trust!" Yeah, that excuse only works for teenagers doing a fan project for fun, not a grander anthology with merch, production costs, and the like. People aren't going to accept that when money is involved.
This isn't a case of some teenagers getting overzealous about a fan project. These are grown adults who should've had the capacity to understand that scams are abundant and that you shouldn't trust anyone with that much money, even if they have a history of running zines.
I'm just more baffled than anything else that no one suggested that having one person in charge of all the funds for your project wouldn't be a good idea? No contract was needed? At all? There's no way they could've gone this long not seeing anything suspicious with this.
No. 1238302
>>1237409>>1237885I also wonder whether the other mods knew more than they're admitting. I find it hard to believe anyone could be naive enough to be strung along for an entire year with just the shitty lies Teresa was coming up with. Maybe they were too spineless to confront her until it was too late.
>>1238191From what I've read, one reason nobody brought up the idea of a contract was that they didn't expect to make as much money as they did before pre-orders. So what about after they realized a fuck ton of people wanted to buy this thing? The excuse I saw was that since Teresa was the head mod/person who first "started" the zine, it was as if she had more authority over the project, and they all just feebly deferred to her. Hindsight is 20/20 and all, but at the very least you'd think they would have confronted her way back in the fall or something. They let this go on way too long anyway that's for sure. Wish I could see the discord chatlogs kek
No. 1238435
>>1238361Depends on the scale of the project and what you want for the zine, anon.
Digital-only zines are much more easier to set up as you only have to worry about formatting for a .PDF file. There are plenty of guides out there to make smaller books/zines thanks to them booming in popularity over the past few years. You can easily share these files via a Dropbox, custom website, private link, or even a Google Drive. It's not the most professional method, but if the formatting with the zine is good, most don't care how it's distributed, just that's it's accessible to those who participated.
When it comes to physical productions, zines were traditionally done by hand, but nowadays it's best to check your local printing shop for advice. Many are happy to help with projects like these and sometimes you get some interesting advice.
If all else fails, you can look up online general guides on where to post. But again, it depends on the scale of the project. If you're looking for accessibility, using social media for advertising is a good idea. If it's niche, just make sure people within your group can access it.
No. 1239255
>>1238361Are you talking about handmade zines in the more traditional sense, or zines as in fanart books with other online artists? If you're talking about the latter,
>>1238435 is helpful. For handprinted stuff, ask around if local bookstores/comic shops sell artist zines, a lot of them do.
No. 1239301
>>1238191>No contract was needed? God I keep seeing this Shit take and I swear people who bring this up as a solution have black/white monkey brains.
If they legitimize it more with a contract then it puts them in more jeopardy of being sued by the IP holders. Zine/doujin projects are only supposed to be printed in small quantities and not for profit. I feel bad for the mods that have to deal with the aftermath, but all of them are going to fuck up the fanart scene because of their huge retard behavior. Altus/Sega is already fucking anal about Persona 5 fanwork being sold, the fact this zine made almost 100k is going to make them feral.
No. 1239431
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her torso is definitely broken here right
No. 1239525
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Nitpick, but she showed up on my twitch recommended. And it’s funny what she’ll e-beg money for
No. 1239824
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I still think her art looks good, but as someone who was a fan of this artist’s work before she ‘blew up’ on twitter, I’m disappointed that she stopped drawing different poses/compositions/backgrounds in favor of floating heads with hair gimmicks. I can’t blame her though because it gets her way more likes (and money).
No. 1240119
>>1239301The original Google doc mentioned they were trying to take legal action and couldn't because there was no legally-binding document. That's the main reason why people bring this up. Now, a contact wouldn't have 100% solved everything but at the very least there would've been something other than just screenshots of shady activity at best. If you're going to be handling that much money, there should be some proof of an agreement taking place. Even doujin circles have some sort of signed agreement for projects like these.
The zine is already copyright infringement as the characters don't even belong to them. However, I don't think this will mess up the fanart scene as companies are aware of these types of anthologies existing. They either DMCA them or just turn a blind eye to it. if anything, this isn't been the first zine to self-emplode like this. Just the most recent.
No. 1240286
>>1237409zines these days are fucking crazy, so many mods, so much merch, the actual quality of the book doesn't even seem to matter, just producing a bunch of plastic crap and selling shitty art in a book.
>>1238191>People aren't going to care if your excuses are "well zines are built on trust!" Yeah, that excuse only works for teenagers doing a fan project for funBut that's how fandom zines started, small groups of artists got together and made a book. Trust was essential and oftentimes guaranteed when it was just a small group of dedicated fans.
Now the fanzine space has morphed into some psuedo pop-up small business scene without any of the structure of traditional small business art shops. Zine projects were never supposed to be that deep or handling money into the 100k.
No. 1240760
>>1240286Oh, I agree.
That's exactly why this zine self-imploded to begin with. You simply can't expect that same there's no sense of trust/commitment with large amounts of money involved. It's an overall recipe for disaster that frankly people (and the mods) should've saw coming a mile away.
It's sad that zines WERE just small groups of friends/artist making passion projects, but nowadays, everyone wants to their #aesthetic brand to show online without any of the commitment or hard work involved. It seems like people expect every single zine now to be at the level of an huge anthology when it doesn't need to be.
>>1240678It's for the fans. Many people will buy ANY fan works BECAUSE of a character they like. The art doesn't have to be god-tier or anything like that because people already have that established connection with the character from said media.
Don't get me wrong, quality definitely plays a part to some degree of how well merch does, but not always. If the character is especially popular, expect merch to sell well as long as it looks decent enough.
No. 1240762
>>1237409an IRL friend of mine was roommates with this ree person and kept contact with them. i showed them this tweet and that ree just has the worst gambling addiction i have ever seen to this day, and apparently they stole all that zine money to max their Childe in Genshin (no idea who this dude is, idgaf about GI). They also planned to use said stolen money on takeout food.
The fun part is that apparently this has been going on since April. Meaning, the mods just seem incompetent as fuck. Neither me or my friend know what was going on behind the sheets (since we weren't in the zine) but just…it started in April. MONTHS ago.
Zine projects are just ridiculous nowadays. If you can't seem to be able to notice that there's something potentially fishy going on with your project's finances, PARTICULARLY after you've handed everything to A SINGLE PERSON, then you. Shouldn't be running any fucking project ever.
No. 1241001
>>1240286Wow. I guess I just got lucky with zines, since the few I've been in were well-managed with clear deadlines and transparency between mods and contributers, but I'm not surprised. So much of online creative spheres are now full of narcissistic assholes who care more about themselves and their image than making a good product or delivering on promises.
Off topic, but there was once I participated in a Christmas gift exchange with a few other artists and this one girl wouldn't shut up about how excited she was to receive "fanart" of her OC's. She missed the deadline for submission and made a half-assed sketch for the other artist, who'd done a fully rendered piece for her. Didn't even apologise for it, citing "muh depression" and "ableism" when the mods expressed their concern. Tell me how I saw it coming from a mile away kek.
No. 1241274
>>1241001It's kind of shame how even gift exchanges have been kind of tainted. I've been in a few that were genuinely fun to participate in and were clear about upholding deadlines/quality control. But now, so many people take advantage of giving someone a nicely done illustration to get free art without any of the time or effort. It's come to a point in which many gift exchanges have to clearly define what IS presentable because people will half-ass it just to get it done. You can easily tell who gave a shit making the artwork and who rushed it last minute.
>>1241039There is totally an argument to be made about people abusing the hell out of free materials way too much (you see it all the time with certain media like webtoons). At the same time, you aren't getting a medal for making things more difficult for yourself, so you might as well use what you have to your advantage. Most people can tell if something is uncanny with art and will avoid it regardless.
No. 1241316
>>1241311Japan has its own laws over copyright and shit, including doujinshis.
They do make a profit - maybe not small artists, but medium-bigger artists for sure do. Think about how they're reprinted on online websites for download (like melonbooks or whatever). They 100% make a profit
No. 1241520
>>1241327Are you serious? Artists create doujinshi and other doujin goods (games/music/clothing/etc) not just to get their name out there and create a following, but also out of love and appreciation for the series or because they just want to make it. 65%+ of doujin artists sell at a loss and the goal is to break even; only about 10% or less make reasonable profits ($2000US or more). Note that a considerable percentage of doujin circles consist of female artists. There is a considerably different attitude towards projects in the west vs east and I can't quite pin down what it could be. For example, I've worked with artists in doujin album releases and the artists will decline payment for the contribution(s) to the album, and I would not be surprised whatsoever if this attitude was also common in anthology doujinshi projects.
>>1241316You got a source for your claim?
No. 1241527
>>1241520Did you try googling doujin copyright laws? At least 3 articles show up on the first page.
About the second part - thats just how online digital reprint services work. Like gumroad and alike.
>>1241523Most orbit around 500 to 1500 yen (for sets including physical merch). I dont know where you got 100 from. Comiket is coming up so if you search around on twitter you'll see artists posting what they're bringing, along with prices.
No. 1241566
>>1241540Exactly, I would compare it closer to fanfiction culture. A very good portion of doujin good creators have "real" jobs and do not rely on doujin sales for income as it's simply not viable.
>>1241548With the sheer number of circles there are, you should assume the majority are small artists. You gotta remember that many, many circles don't win the Comiket participation lottery and have to sell at smaller events such as Comitia/Comic City/even smaller events that are fandom-exclusive. You really shouldn't assume the average artist is financially successful - this applies to artists from every country.
No. 1241571
>>1241566And I'm not talking about financial success. Just breaking even. Still thinking doujinshi artists don't make money or at least break even in 2022 is just delusional.
And as I said, it's most likely they're also selling it online on fanbox, melonbooks or boothpm. There's many choices available right now for them to not operate at a loss. And also, the cost of making doujinshis and merch in general has gone down the past decade.
No. 1241574
>>1241571You made this post:
>>1241316>They do make a profit - maybe not small artists, but medium-bigger artists for sure do. (…) They 100% make a profit"Breaking even" and "making a profit" are different.
No. 1241576
>>1241574And neither mean financial success. Comiket runs twice a year, same as Comitia. Fandom exclusive cons are usually once per year. You can't expect anyone to be financially successful or independent with few dates like that.
Point is it's easier than ever to make doujinshi without losing money, and that's what's happening. You don't even have to print them, just sell them online.
No. 1241591
>>1241580For medium-big artists, yes.
>>1241585Selling online and print on demand is the norm nowadays. Comiket isn't the usual thing, digital versions, boothpm and fanbox are. I might slip in my wording, but my point stands.
Comiket might not be profitable for smaller artists -5k followers, but for medium-big artists it sure is. But then again, chances are they sell online as well so they will have some sort of profit anyways.
No. 1241596
>>1241591One thing you should keep in mind is that while these artists do sell unsold copies on services such as toranoana/melonbooks/etc, these are not always reprinted/resold, and the amount of copies the service receives may not be that many in the first place. Don't forget that it's common for artists to simply discontinue doujinshi and other products over time as well.
>Comiket isn't the usual thingSeriously? You really think that? Did you learn about doujin culture the other day from a quick google search?
No. 1241597
>>1241591you should really stop
nonnie, you don't know what you're talking about
No. 1241606
>>1241596Comiket is twice per year, how on earth is it comparable to selling goods online or even fanbox.
Those places you mentioned also sell digital goods/reprint services.
>>1241597If you want to keep believing that doujinshi artists are starving artists working solely for their craft, go ahead. I'm not saying they get rich off it, but it surely isnt as how you depict it in your brain.
Seriously, how is it so weird to say that it's the norm to not operate at a loss nowadays? It's digital goods for the most part. You can even get them printed for 50~150 yen per pc if you submit the files months before the event.
No. 1241783
>>1241039>>1241278i never understand the mindset of some artists who think things need to be difficult for themselves or it's cheating/lazy.
if you think someone's art became soulless/lifeless because of it, don't look at it. rather an artist have an easier time working on something then struggling for no reason
No. 1242989
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i miss the "default" teen-early 20s artstyle that everyone used to gravitate towards in the early 2000s. this is something zoomers cannot replicate. it was this pseudo anime a la how to draw anime books mixed with almost like a sonic style of furries/cat girls that were not degenerate furfag shit. digital art was very rare and when it was used it was from oekakis done with a mouse or shitty programs like gimp with lots of burn and dodge instead of real shading. phone cameras were not a thing like that so all the drawings were scanned which gave it this extra charm.
Now all zoomer art on the internet is traced instabaddies on procreate or hideous cal-arts they/thems and im so tired of see it. I wish 2000s deviantart style was the "default" again.
this is the final boss of soul vs souless.
No. 1243282
>>1242989honestly kids these days have a way better grasp on anatomy than 2000s kids who only referenced anime or tim burton. the instagirls are ugly, but stylizing photos helps build your skills more than copying anime does. the facial anatomy on the bottom drawings are also stronger, while the top drawings have a loose floaty look. calarts style was built for easy animation, a kid copying it will be copying solid structure.
of course you can still like the top drawings out of personal taste, but I would disagree with saying the bottom drawings are much worse.
No. 1243546
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>>1242989Kek this artist has the above aesthetic but he gets posted in the bad art thread. (Granted his stuff ranges from cute to funny-looking)
No. 1243598
>>1243273Every single drawing on the top looks like it was made by the same person, at least on the bottom there's some diversity, even in this super cherry-picked "art eras" comparison
Just to be clear, I find the 2000s style appealing too, but let's not be delusional.
No. 1243873
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>>1237409I just found out about this and my sides are dying at the drama.
No. 1243916
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>>1243873Wait, this was all the merch, holy shit. This is so uneconomical it's making my head spin, I understand the badges and prints, but stuff like that custom acrylic charm? This lack of thought is painful to look at, small orders are always overpriced
No. 1243944
>>1243873KEK
>>1243874NTA but you gotta admit that zoomer art is much more simplified/flatter/less detailed and has messier anatomy and lines on average. Some of the zoomer drawings in that pic are pretty good, but most of them aren't, and they certainly aren't on the level of the average drawing on the upper half. It's like teens now put way less effort into their drawings, whereas in the 2000s they at least made a real effort to learn from how anime characters are constructed, and a lot of detail was put into the hair, clothes, etc. The 2000s drawings in that pic that are closest in quality to the average zoomer drawing are the furries. Not to mention how a lot of zoomer art is made just to virtue-signal to the point that they look like dumb racial stereotypes.
>>1243795>>1243546Doesn't this guy have like a hyper muscle futa fetish or something like that? If it weren't for that I wouldn't mind seeing his art posted on here all the time
No. 1243958
>>1243944The difference I personally notice is
Y2K kids:
>didn't have smartphones in the early deviantart era>sources were shitty how to draw manga books, maybe a video of mark crilley later or that random most popular video of that girl just drawing a stiff anime face using rulers for proportions>lots of tracing from printed media or copying favourite artists to learn>TONS of photoshop 7 tutorials and how to start using digital media, how to properly scan and do inking digitally>more neon colors, more edge inspired by edgy manga and goth fashionZoomers:
>more access to resources, but less piracy, it's more expensive>big youtube art channels are more focused on shopping art supplies and unboxing>social media on the artsy side is full of cancelling and drama so people are more scared of tracing or copying someone's style>fanart, fanart everywhere, I remember on dA there were artists with popular OCs who got their fan communities, never see that on twitter No. 1244148
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>>1242989Was just browsing and goddamn, this picture was drawn by my friend on dA in like 2005 lol
No. 1244177
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>>1244148Now I'm missing the sense of community dA and other sites had in the early 2000s..
No. 1244223
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>>1244207NTA but you sound a bit like an old man yelling at people to get off his lawn. Yeah young artists produce trash but there's gotta be some that make creative things as well. My main gripe is still too much fanart and too much of the same round soft "wholesome" style, I absolutely agree with that. I saw this the other day and liked it a lot.
No. 1244302
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Some artist got kicked out of a zine for “drawing nsfw of minors”. I assumed it was loli/shota but no the artist was just a jotaro (whom araki modeled after adult bodybuilders and only wrote him as a teenager to make him relatable to his target audience) yumejo.
No. 1244597
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When will the Y chromosome go extinct.
No. 1244639
>>1244223Who's the artist
nonnie??? I love this
No. 1244678
>>1244597Fucking gross. I hate this degenerate shit.
>>1244647Don't encourage degenerates.
No. 1244696
>>1244693imo, often in these cases the mods don't actually care about "sexualizing minors". There was pre-existing drama and they needed a "
valid" excuse to kick someone
No. 1244699
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>>1244302>>1244696Honestly that makes much more sense
Btw, looked up the artist that got removed and she retweeted this, lol
No. 1244701
>>1243944I also noticed that zoomer art is a lot more messy and simplified. I wonder if that is caused by the current state of social media, everyone is so focused on finishing their stuff really fast (> 3 hrs) and it's the only way you're able to keep up with the insane algorithm demands of posting every or every other day. Also people are scrolling on their small phone screens so detailed artwork isn't appreciated as much anymore, it has to be punchy and eye-catching at first glance.
I'm not even a zoomer and find myself falling into that mental trap sometimes.
No. 1244722
>>1244693The fandoms that attract middle schoolers are extra bad nowadays. Genshin, Project Sekai and Enstars for example, most of the twitter fanbase seems to be young fans from America or South Eastern Asia and they keep having cancel threads and lecturing people about race or cultural appropriation. Enstars got an official discord and apparently the mods just broke down and closed it for a few months, lol. When I was there I saw posts like
>ummm why are you here if you are over 16? (enstars started in 2015 so most fans are now over 20)>if you use a japanese username and you're american that's cultural appropriation ewwOr the people on twitter who teach others how orientalist costumes in anime are bad, while they're a white american fattie with an icon from a fandom that had canon shotacon lmao
On the other side of anime fans from reddit and 4chan there's constant lolicon degeneracy, porn, misogyny, porn, porn, NLOGs, moids who want a big titty mommy gf etc. It's so weird how english twitter has that extreme split. Also funnily, I went down the memory lane of a livejournal community from 2010 I was in and people were sharing scans and drama CDs, now it's frowned upon if you post even pictures of events. And I remember a bunch of people who shipped Edward and Roy or Elricest in FMA and their art is still up on DA and not even unpopular, while today they'd get cancelled asap.
No. 1244736
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>>1244302Is this the artist who got kicked out?
No. 1244756
>>1244736eww anon spoiler this awful child porn
(yeah)
No. 1244802
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>>1244798Guess it depends where you live and how they groom themselves, in my are most men have it a bit more dispersed
No. 1244915
>>1244736sage for sperging but the wokies in the jojo fandom really boggle my mind.
>nsfw of jotaro in a black outfit BAD>nsfw of jotaro in a white outfit where he is 10 years older but looks the same GOODhe's my husbando so i encounter this shit constantly and it makes no sense especially because iirc his star sign (aquarius) means he turns 18 either during or slightly after the events of part 3
No. 1245779
>>1245688I was her acquaintance from before she had a clout (Aka: her first callout on jojo fandom)
She constantly gets cancelled by puriteens for being a omg a pedo by drawing anime twinks and baras. She made it her brand, after some time, since too many artists chicken out after being called out by the horde in jojo.
Rinse and repeat she pokes a random wasp net (aka: anti projects) and gets free clout out it. It’s not her first time in this situation and at this point I’m 100% sure seeks shitty projects like that for relevance.
No. 1245950
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I can't stand being around one of my old internet groups. I hate that I'm more technically skilled as an artist and have decent understanding of fundamentals, I always stand in the shadow of shittier artists with eye searing furry fetish art. I'm not pleased with my skill level and want to improve, but they don't. They just want to churn out the same fetish material again and again, quantity over quality. I know I shouldn't care and focus on myself but I'm just so tired of seeing this garbage with thousands of followers and likes because people are horny.
No. 1246097
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>>1245709Isn't this actually shota though?
No. 1246127
>>1246119Nah, moids get reported in Japan often for lolicon on twitter and banned. I wouldn't go out of my way to "cancel" somebody, but if I see weird porn I press the report button and block, no idea why I should defend an artist with weird fetishes just because she's female (not the anon who posted that picture btw, it's kinda gross but there's much worse on video game and cartoon twitter imo).
If you are into that stuff, you aren't immune to website rules, japanese artists post privately on poipiku for that reason to avoid getting banned for porn. Cancel posts won't work on degenerate male artists because they know they'll ignore them, that's why they attack female artists for every little detail because they're trying to get along with people and won't respond like "you're just
triggered, shut up". It's all about how hard you're trying to please people vs ignoring them.
No. 1246171
>>1244722Damn while I'm happy enstars got an English release the amount of dumb woke Twitter kids it's attracting pains me…….like sorry I grew up while the characters stay the same age forever?
I didn't know about the discord but closing it was probably for the best
No. 1246384
>>1246097After profiting from attention whoring general, she started to draw things just for the sake of drama. There are some instances she would just actively seeks and draw the "problematique" of the day, even if wasn't part of the fandom, just for the clout.
That adding the fact she was close friends with those proshipper twitters to come to white knight and promoting her, made what she is today. Well, kudos for her to finding her niche, I guess, but I often side eyes her whole
victim persona because its always the same.
>>1246318Semantics, nona. Word is being used in other context now.
>>1246119If you saw this on livejournal days no one would bat an eye, cue to Loveless being the hot stuff with all fujo circles back in the day. Personally I find it tiresome.
No. 1246468
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>>1244358late, but dang…. I remember the arguments of tool shading vs pixel shading and using bases vs making baseless dolls. Despite some of its drama, I really miss the pixel dolling community and the doll pageants. It was a simpler time.
No. 1246567
>>1246468Same. I found some dollers who used to tool and they’re now pretty proficient with digital art. Traditional pixel dollers went on to do better pixel art. Most just stopped, sadly.
I miss the forum drama too. EE was one of the exclusive ones, it was invite only while other forums were made to spite it. Popular dollers were on all the forums, showing off.
Poopskie (poopsky? not poop sky lmao) was a UK doller who would post a lot of emo cutting dolls. She was a personal lolcow for me.
No. 1246571
>>1246127ngl i dont see the point in reporting someone unless something breaks site rules. it can be weird but it's cringe to report just cause it is.
>>1246439agreed. if i ever had to choose a side, i go with pro shipping because i'd rather read cringe essays on why shotacon is feminist as opposed to some of the shit that goes on in anti circles. hell antis cancel and eat their own friends for shipping the wrong thing and think there's nothing wrong with being a 25 and trying to intentionally befriend minors to be a "safe adult".
off topic but the current state of the art community as a whole is depressing af. i remember when in zines no one gave af what you did outside of what you contributed to the zine and now even if the rule isn't stated that you can't do nsfw on the side, if someone complains you get booted for a rule that wasn't stated and no one gave af about until someone tattled.
it seems like every zine or art contest is run by either retarded antis or people who gave into it. you'd expect something like elden ring to not attract that kind of crowd but apparently not
No. 1246586
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>>1246567ayrt and holy shit I remember her. I managed to find her deviantart
https://www.deviantart.com/konfusion-with-a-kShe was very 3edgy5u and just all around cringe. Picrel is her zombie girl she submitted into a pageant, spoiler for gore.
I wonder what's become of all these doll makers with dead sites. The DollHouse Factory, Pinkland, Bunnystick… now I wanna track them all down.
No. 1246612
>>1246586Pinkland is still up. Bunnystick hasn’t posted much but is on IG. I think TheHWord and MistressJaeden are MIA now but I’ll always remember their dolls and bases. There was another cute doller Dallie and she made all her own bases too.
Kek I remember seeing her work more on DA. I didn’t know she submitted her work to pageants since it was so gory.
>>1246589I shipped what I wanted and called it a day. I never got into shipping wars but if I went back into fandom I’d be kicked out because I’m an old and old people can’t ship anymore, I assume.
Can we also talk about bad romance novel art? That dramafied.
No. 1246630
>>1246468If you miss the dolls themselves there is a pixel doll website called Everskies where you can use other people's designs to dress your doll. Except, the community is fucking awful. The most woke srnsitive snowflakes who identify as one quarter girl and two thirds cat. Not even kidding about the second half, they claim youre ableist against "non humans" if you use the word "people" in a sentence. Why is every artsy thing I get into now full of woketards.
It's an OK game apart from that though. There are some good artists on there like wormbloke/earlgreytea.
No. 1246721
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moids who self-insert themselves with their big titty nerd girl ocs are the most pathetic kind of artists
No. 1246760
>>1246741yumejos are
valid though
nonnie No. 1246797
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On the subject of kids these days having access to better resources than those of us now in our early thirties: comments like this make me so enraged. Teenagers didn't draw anywhere close to this level 15 years ago, but now people complain when they don't have professional level art before they're in high school.
No. 1246808
>>1246797This sounds like a shitty, blatant attempt to bait for compliment and pity. Probably done in 30 minutes or more, "5 minutes sketch" are lies.
Also looks like a TIF from the art
No. 1246809
>>1246797the humblebrag is cringe af, but don't despair nona, age doesn't matter in the professional art world. Companies don't want to work with egotistical teenagers like this on projects and instagram likes don't matter.
I'm your age too and still working on getting better, but also getting professional work. You never stop improving, having an ego like this person only hinders your progress
No. 1246831
>>1246589true but i am also very much in the camp of not caring.
as in, actually not caring whether or not someone is a shotacon or not. if you were to come to me and tell me someone i'm following is a shota/loli/fujo/whatever else i would just shrug my shoulders and say who cares.
No. 1246851
>>1246847nta but you're just proving that you either don't know anything about the market or you only know about the shittiest companies.
you're right that companies don't give a shit about integrity but at the same time if a company is hiring based on followers and internet influence of all things then boy oh boy that company must be on HORRIBLE legs with their marketing and ads team.
companies hire artists who are versatile and actually skilled with a wide portfolio of stuff that they can do. instagram teenagers don't have that because they're too busy drawing their genderspecial oc in 3/4 pose and minimal background, hence they don't get hired.and also because they're teenagers, no serious company wants to be some teen's nanny.
tl;dr you really sound like you're one of those immature teenagers. and if you're not then…yikes my friend.
No. 1246995
>>1246871I am so sick of seeing teenagers complain about how they've "just turned 16 and–" like it's over for them, it's too late. The obsession with being a prodigy and youth has poisoned so many damn people it's sickening. My views towards industry art has long since soured anyways, because trying to break in is exhausting but so is sifting through all these young artists thinking they'll never break in because 'they're already 21 and it's too late for them'.. in a way I see a lot of myself in them and that's probably why I hate to see it so much, but I also have found it more fulfilling just enjoying what I wanna draw.
Everyone's got different goals for their art, sure, fine, but young artist's mindsets are so warped and fucked thinking they need only social media to make it. Especially if they're young and that's the only way they've ever interfaced with art. It's sad.
No. 1247018
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Fictional couples like this barely getting backlash is kind of bizarre to me. It’s basically the “1000 year old loli” trope people hate so much but decreased to like 20 years. I know short women exist but they usually look pretty distinctive from actual children. Plus picrel’s whole gimmick is that she looks like a kid.
No. 1247023
>>1247018depending on what circles you follow my senpai is annoying does get an "average" amount of backlash for the mc basically being a loli.
but the show is also not overtly sexual and is mostly comedy.
No. 1247265
>>1247261nta but countless free instructional art books (like the ones in the op), tons of high quality tutorials and lessons on youtube (even if you exclude the shit ones there is a lot of content) and it's easier to pick up digital art than ever.
imo being self taught in the age of the internet has lost its meaning but that's a bit unrelated
No. 1247458
>>1247455If you keep thinking that nothing you do will matter anyways. Doesn't matter if furrys get more attention because you should be drawing for yourself and your niche not attention.
You can get money and commissions with any artstyle anyways, so why be pressed over furry and moid communities.
No. 1247539
>>1247261How about the wealth of reference images you can get just from google image search, for one? I'm not even necessarily talking about professional tools, here. There's so much more Stuff In General, and it's all easier to find. Thousands of good artists to take inspiration from (many that share their art process). Good photography. A mountain of random art tutorials. Accessible drawing tablets. Dozens of cheap or free art programs to choose from when the options for children in 2004 were ms paint, oekaki boards, or open canvas 1.0. It's SO much easier for young people interested in art as a hobby to find good references and inspiration that will let them quickly develop their skills compared to the early days of the internet. If they want to draw their favorite character, they don't need to rely on copying art from the pages of strategy guides or Nintendo Power. If they need help visualizing a specific pose or object, they don't need to stand in front of a mirror or comb through physical pose books or use one of those horrible wooden dummies.
Need I go on? All of these examples were things I did as a pre-teen in the early 2000s. Being a good, or even decent, artist is so much more achievable now.
No. 1247544
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>>1247261All draw threads are hooked up with pic related so anyone in a fandom is bound to have to these books
>>1247455>Ugh, they're chaining success after success because of seniority>Or popular artist friends>Or spammable chibis>Or Genshin>Or NintendoYes we get it anon. Noble warriors are dead and you have 2 real choices. You can join the people you hate and get that number you've always wanted, or you can focus on a normal, well paying job while you watch the rest of them try and make a living out of commissions.
No. 1249229
>>1249219So, I've had my account for just over a year and in that time I've only lost about 10 people that I've gained. I post maybe twice a week, if that. I'm not super, duper good, but I'm also not drawing Sonic tier fanart either. I'm the middle ground cartoony, swirly kind of artist. I think as long as you make it clear you intentions and you put your work into what you post, the people who see those posts will wait around.
The only way, imo right now, to gain followers, is to use new technology [like when the picture in a picture in a picture drawings were popular during COVID] or if do fanart. You can gain followers fast, but you need to pander and you don't even need to pander routinely either. You just need to get that ONE person to reblog the right thing and maybe a bigger artist, or they were the big artist, will gain you followers. I've had something shared from a Netflix animated series before [not saying name to keep as anonymous as possible] from one of the voice actors, and it got that photo to be one of the most liked and reblogged. You just gotta get lucky, use the right hashtags.
Also WIPS are a great idea and I think Twitter has a #sketch[insert day here] and I know they have an active #wip
No. 1249613
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Do you think the push for adding alt text will affect art twitter in a significant way? First time I saw an alt text reminder was on somone’s art, then I find out there are people who refuse to rt posts with no alt text and there’s even a bot that quote retweets image posts with no alt text. First image is the only instance I’ve noticed of an artist getting a reminder, but have any anons noticed it with other artists?
No. 1249720
>>1249613If you ask me, this alt text stuff seems rather stupid.
Art is by in large a visual medium. As a result, the small portion of people who happen to use alt text still wouldn't really benefit from it. Describing a great illustration in detail with the 1000 character limit is rather difficult and just clutters the artwork. Even plain descriptions for simple artworks like "character x hugging y" wouldn't really sell you on the work itself other than just…showing it.
People are trying to pass it off as an inclusivity thing, but let's be real, it's mainly just Twitter trying to push another feature that's not as popular. Illustrations are still best posted with a short tagline or as is. I don't see that going away any time soon UNLESS Twitter's algorithm changes again for images.
No. 1249747
>>1249613>>1249720that's because it doesn't actually do those things. blind/low vision people won't be able to envision
your drawing, and adding text actually increases the loading time for images.
No. 1250069
>>1247544I've been in fandom for a really long time and no one ever mentions proper resources like the ones commented so far. Most just say "practice" which made me feel like they were keeping the "real" guides as a secret. People made guides but they were similar to the "finish the owl" or basic "how to draw anime" tutorials. You have to really step outside of twitter/tumblr/tiktok/instagram to actually get proper guides with books and everything not just "practice your fundamentals".
Nowadays with the demand for video content you see the person's process a bit more which helps bit but it's no where near as useful as someone saying you need to practice color theory/perspective/forms/etc
No. 1251413
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>>1250634Consistent uploads are a waste of time that distracts you both as an artist and as a working adult.
There's no reason to prioritize that 10k milestone over studying. Studying until your art is truly beautiful.
No. 1251836
>>1251792I'm trying to do Artfight this year too
nonnie but it's just a sea of furfags and he/theys. I just want to have fun drawing other ocs but it feels impossible at this point kek. Maybe we should have an art trade thread in /m/
No. 1252108
>>1250634I've noticed that you need to be really really good (or have an interesting artstyle) to have people follow you if they can't know what to expect. If you draw lots of fanart for a specific fandoms (and use hashtags accordingly), followers are bound to come sooner or later, though the fandom shouldn't be too big and established or too niche or else you won't get noticed (again, except if your art is special). But you should listen to
>>1251413 tbh
No. 1252593
>>1252566Same here.
I've been trying to find other artists with characters who catch my interests but it's all sparkle vomit anthros and over designed genshin OCs.
No. 1252820
>>1252795Ngl it takes time and I’ve never caught the analog feel in digital. One of the suggestions I could make for you is to develop a different style/approach/etc when you’re working on digital. Because from my personal experience it will never be the same the art you do traditionally. I hope this makes sense. I’m sure more experienced nonas have better insight though.
Also can anyone tell me the purpose of the toyhouse website? Is it just to have OC refs in one place or something? Seems very random to me
No. 1252827
>>1252820OC refs and biographies. I think the literature feature allows you to add anything you've written for them. There's also built in trading systems and marketplaces in the forums but I don't touch them since the community is such a cesspool of toxicity.
Toyhouse is a good website for its intended purpose but the userbase and lack of moderation made me give up on it months ago.
No. 1252955
>>1252795digital is like any other medium, you have to learn how to use it and you will suck at first. even learning how to hold the pen properly, what angle you should keep your tablet, the brushes you like, takes time.
it has more freedom than traditional mediums, which everyone pretty much uses the same way, so there is no right or wrong way to do digital art. you have unlimited color, unlimited undo, thousands of brushes, that's why it's overwhelming. i would say look at the digital art you like and try to figure out how to do it.
your digital art will never look like your traditional art (like your watercolor painting will never look like your acrylic painting) so don't worry about your digital art looking different, it's supposed to.
No. 1253276
>>1244597sorry to burst your bubble
nonnie but the artist is a qt japanese girl from japan lmao
No. 1253439
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japan has a new regulation that essentially makes it legal to dox freelance artists but this scrote’s worried about getting called out for drawing loli porn kek
No. 1254249
>>1254242unless you turn that character into a borderline asian caricature that doesn't have fair skin the twitter ppl will accept it. asian people are only
valid if they're brown by twitter's rules
No. 1254265
>>1254261Ayrt, was
>>1254258, yeah I wouldn't be into that.
No. 1254273
>>1254261>>1254242Personally I don't give a shit but if you're asking about this because you're worried that terminally online children will come after you then I would recommend against it. Raceswapping a black character to an asian would most likely still get you in deep shit from the same crowd who enjoy blackwashing. If my terminally online terminology is correct, Asians are often labeled as "white-adjacent" because they have the closest "proximity to whiteness" of any minority group.
I would always say to just gives these people the middle finger and draw whatever you like.
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>>1254261That already happened like 8 years ago kek. A white artist racebent a bunch of disney characters. I remember a bunch of tumblr people thinking picrel was cool while some black people weren’t a fan of the skintone change. NGL as an asian I thought this edit was strange. I’m way more happy with Mulan than seeing Tiana turned into some chinese woman.
No. 1255433
>>1254242People treat it like it's a race/racism issue, but it's a colorism issue more than anything. Most people probably would not care about the reason for one swapping the races of two characters, but too many bad faith actors have spoiled the pot at this point, that most people treat it with extreme skepticism when it happens.
Before there was "blackwashing", there was racebending. And it was fine, until you got people coming in, making low effort "blonde hair, blue eyed" white edits, claiming how much they look better now that turned people off of the idea.
People going, "They're both equally bad." Ignore the fact that there is a culture of putting the whiteness of one skin, above all else, and darker skin, even a tan, at the bottom to the point where you have generations of people doing shit like telling children they'd look more desirable if they were lighter, telling them not to stay out in the sun too long or else they'll get too dark, or risking skin cancer just to lighten their skin. It exist today, so no, in my own opinion. "Blackwashing" is not, nor never will be comparable in any way shape or form to whitewashing.
No. 1255459
>>1254261>>1254242Whiteness usually has nothing to do with white characters, so it's easy to swap the actors' races. White people also have the luxury of having white characters in their face 24/7 so a few can be sacrificed for nonwhite actors.
Racialized characters usually always have references to the specific race/culture, their issues have to do with being [race], or are just highly stereotypical portrayals of [race]. You cannot simply give the role to another race without changing significant aspects of the character or story. There's also a dearth of good [race] representation, so people would rather have a new character to add to the pantheon than someone who used to be white that they cannot really truly claim as their own.
Tiana was a bad example tho. Her story is very black american, so you cannot simply swap her with a chinese lady and have it make sense at all. Angelina Johnson from Harry Potter is probably better example. Ignoring the argument for representation, she's supposed to be black, but could be any other race and it wouldn't matter.
No. 1255481
>>1253849Agreed. Artist who constantly brags about how cool and edgy they are for drawing "
problematic" art, and artists who constantly whine about how they are allowed to draw what they want and how we all should just get along always ends up being called out.
On the other hand artist who just draw what they want without emphasising how
problematic it is rarely gets called out. Honestly all you have to do is just ignore and/or block people who tries to start drama. Don't humor them.
No. 1255533
>>1254261I know you've already gotten many replies but I wouldn't do this.
However I think what you could do instead is a Chinese adaptation of princess and the frog (the fairy tale) I think all fairy tales are up to interpretation and it would be an Innovative and unique take on it
No. 1255541
>>1255433>People going, "They're both equally bad." Ignore the fact that there is a culture of putting the whiteness of one skin, above all else>generations of people doing shit like telling children they'd look more desirable if they were lighterI'm not a fan of both types of washing, and have faced colourism from my own parents in the way you've described, so what now kek. Ofc whitewashing is more likely to be in bad faith or from not knowing/caring about other colours being underrepresented, but people blackwash under the name of representation while washing over other minority characters too. (Though obviously they wouldn't feel the need to do so if there was more good
POC rep in art/media.)
No. 1255614
>>1255541It's fine if you think thay way, it's happened to me as well along with people I care about as well which is why I said what I said. The representation aspect of the conversation has always been a non-factor to me as to why I'm fine with blackwashing over whitewashing.
Regardless of if someone draws Tiana white, or Aang black, those characters are always going to be black or Asian at the end of the day. Nothing truly is getting taken away or added on to, just mainly drawings or an adaptation that's here one day, gone the next, but the original is still there unchanged and always capable of being accessed.
The main difference to me, and why I don't subscribe to the "they're both bad." Is one is backed centuries worth of harmful practices and thinking that continue to affect people today, consciously or not. And the other is pushback from a relatively new trend, where people are upset at mostly people just having a bit of fun because they don't want to see "brown" people in their media. And no, I'm not saying that's your, or everyone reason for disliking it, but people who do think like that do exist.
No. 1255623
>>1255608Well, if you think fanart = more attention you'd be mistaken. It's a bit more complex.
Artists who do end up becoming popular drawing fanart usually cultivate their fanbase or niche for
years. Just randomly deciding to draw something popular doesn't always work out. Because now, you're competing with other artists who happen to be well-established and already cultivated their audience.
Pokemon has millions of artists already creating artwork. Many artists ONLY focus on Pokemon artwork so much so that they're pros at it. What makes your work stand out? Why look at your stuff when they can just follow them?
This isn't a dig at you, anon. I'm just pointing out that you need to give people a reason to stay. It doesn't matter if the subject matter is popular if your work isn't visually engaging. It's going to take some time to see what sticks so continue to experiment in the meanwhile. Try not to go cold-turkey from personal to fanart as that tends to turn people off due to a lack of consistency. Instead, gradually introduce those types of works into your gallery.
No. 1255663
>>1255648This is what's wrong with people harping on advising artists to 'draw fanart' if they want a following; they try it for a bit and then when the results aren't like they thought, it's easy to believe that there is something wrong with what they're making, when it isn't. It doesn't really matter whether your drawing fanart or personal work, you need to find something to keep an audience around if that's what you're going for.
It's a double edged sword: Fanart is easier (doubly so if you enjoy drawing it) but still saturated, especially for popular franchises.
While original or personal work has a lot of appeal (and can be fun to make), it is also very difficult to sift through to find the worthwhile stuff and thr majority of your audience may overlook it if you don't really push it.
IMO, original stuff is just more satisfying.
No. 1255760
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Can you recommend me some good brushes and/or useful materials in Clip Studio Paint? I own a lot of Clippy Points that are about to expire. I was also wondering if there are any material/textures that could look like picrel. I think the person is throwing some chalky texture on top of the drawing…?
No. 1255762
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>>1255760Samefag, better example
No. 1255848
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>>1255760Probably going to be a long post, but I like to procrastinate by browsing clip studio brushes, so I thought I'd offer some of my faves.
As for the texture, I'm not exactly sure, the second image definitely look like a brush-made texture, but the first seems like a texture layer. I use the textures in the following sets, and provided an image as to what they look like, if you wanted to give them a shot.
Copic texture:
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1692034Watercolour texture:
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1682349As for using clippy points, I really enjoy the following brushes;
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1767719https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1881681https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1862508 (A favourite!!!)
And I'm gonna drop some of my faves here just because I like them, in case it helps anyone else ^^:
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1835254https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1825825 (this creator has some really good ones beyond just this one!)
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1801303https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1785724https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1738139 No. 1256152
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>>1255608Age means everything to fanart, plain and simple. Be there when the trend begins or starve because every big name who could possibly carry you stopped giving a fuck after 1 or 2 years.
Had this one been plopped into the 2nd DLC era instead of the start, there would be no success.
No. 1257967
>>1255608This is why it's so much better to focus on, say, a fandom you like that doesn't have many creators involved in it, or, as
>>1256152 mentioned, is popular but starved for content long after the hype has died.
Even with big fandoms like Pokemon, there are sub-niches (like to a character, an overlooked Pokemon, or a spinoff game) with surprisingly sizable followings, but lacking in creators.
No. 1258049
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I despise this artist and her ugly characters that look like a weird sibling trope but seems also fetishy and just gross. Draw something else for fuck sake
No. 1258374
>>1258182they're just salty as fuck about the ugly art having nearly 40k followers kek
i don't really see the fetish except maybe the tiny shirt one but as far as ugly art goes its not the most offensive to the eyes