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No. 1690350
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>Proshipping vs Antishipping
Both sides are annoying as hell
Proshippers are people who can’t accept the fact that people on the internet find them weird so they have to make a campaign out of being oppressed or whatever by 16 year olds because someone said insulted their ship
Antishippers are the type of people who constantly expect you to walk on eggshells for them because they cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality, that is unless they find a ship with ‘problematic’ elements that they like, then it’s fine because they say so.
I get annoyed when people call me a proshipper or whatever for this reason, just because I like problematic ships doesn’t mean I’m part of some stupid internet argument.
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Random account on my tl is making a questionnaire on proship/anti discourse, should be interesting to see the results if they get published. (If you do decide to answer then try and ignore the… gendie stuff).
Link:
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>>1690350Exactly, both sides are pointless and extremist. Wish people could realize everyone has a different threshold on what they're ok with seeing rather than boxing you into "you're fine with absolutely anything" or "you believe sex before marriage is a sin".
Honestly I'm fully sure antis enjoy more than one "
problematic" ship and proshippers are disgusted by some content as well.
No. 1690381
>>1690375Reminds me of this fakeboi I was talking to who not only was super girly (of course) but also was playing through slow damage yet complaining about the
problematic elements? Like what did she expect?
That’s the main thing that annoys me with the ‘anti’ types even though both of them annoy me, they actively go into spaces that they’re well aware are going to have things they don’t like but then complain about it anyway.
They should just stick to my little pony and bluey, at least those types are consistent.
No. 1690391
>>1690381they actually find mlp
problematic too, i often get recommended a video essay of the country horse and how she's
problematic. I never clicked on it because i know it's just going to be a grown woman grasping at straws to find anything
problematic with a cartoon made for toddlers that has princesses and rainbow horses.
No. 1690420
>>1690391I can see why a lot of them stick to Bluey then.
The other day though I found them in a veeeery insecure husbandofag area where they kept having to post about how 'YOUR HUSBANDO LOVES YOU UNLESS YOU'RE A PROSHIPPER THEN THEY'LL CALL THE COPS' to which my immediate thought was 'what if your husbando is a pedophile though, like Hisoka'
No. 1690431
>>1690404In fandom I always avoid interacting with antis for obvious reasons, but I have seen too many people who are attracted to actual children and/or animals on the proshipping side as well, either that or people who are fine interacting with them. So I prefer to just look up for "neutral" fans, if someone enjoys content considered
problematic in a casual way and/or don't engage with discourse too much.
No. 1690445
>>1690439Pretty typical moid stuff, 99% of the moids who try and get into the anti people spaces are pedophiles.
I think girls in the anti thing are just typical tumblrina types who are annoying but mostly harmless.
No. 1690446
>>1690431As much as I don't like them I feel like at least they stay in whatever lane they are. They suck but most of them know it. If anything I see a lot of what
>>1690439 said; there's a staggering amount of men who will try to be a puriteen leader for the sake of grooming said kids. It's like those male feminists that got caught doing heinous sexual crimes.
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>>1690431The worst is when you think someone is neutral and they randomly start busting out with some ‘PROSHITTER DNI’ in bio like @rottendevilman (picrel) who imploded after a few antis got on her ass about a chongyun ship
No. 1690490
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Klancers make sheith fans look normal and well adjusted.
No. 1690512
>>1690492Lance spends the entire series lusting after women. Never gives men a single glance. But every fujo thinks he is gay or bi. They also didn't have any chemistry, Keith and Lance either avoided each other or argued the entire time. They don't seem to care about the show's plot or other characters, just klance getting together. but the special thing about klancers is that they were dead convinced it would be canon, for whatever reason, as the show did all but scream at them to please stop and finally forced lance with allura to stop it, but they still lost their minds when klance didn't happen. But then it gets weirder. klancers are all gendies now and it's devolving even further. their posts are just nonstop headcanons about their autism or trannyism.
At least we always have glass cupcakes and dirty laundry to laugh at. izzzyzzz also has a good video on it.
>>1690504I care.
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>>1690659Hi y'all, OP of the questionnaire here?? How did this even end up here?? Please don't take my stupid little project too seriously.
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>>1690677Right?
People complain about Adachi x Yu in the same game you can have sex with the nurse kek
DR makes even less sense since it’s a killing game VN based on anime tropes, why exactly are these people surprised that Korekiyo wants to fuck his sister? Incest is huge in anime kek.
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>>1690685>>1690687My sides, this tweet
Clearly it bothers you if you’re tweeting about it's
No. 1690783
>>1690685>ya'llPlease stop appropriating southern culture. Just seeing this word is now a shortcut to giving me a migraine.
Please stop armchair diagnosing every character. If you can't relate to a character unless they have the same diagnoses as you, you need literature education because that's sad. Therapy diagnoses are not a shortcut to having a personality just like horoscopes are not.
Please stop turning every character into a gendie just because you are suffering the typical teenage identity crisis. Most people in past generations just wore funny outfits, they didn't cut their tits off. You'll look back on gendiehood like people from the 70's look back on bellbottoms. Except they could take the pants off.
Stop turning the cartoon guy I'm trying to masturbate to into a tranny, thanks. I just wanted to see cool fanart, not theories over how he's secretly a geiboitwansfemdemiaroaspenbie with ADHD DID and OCD. Millennials wrote cool fanfiction, dude. What the fuck are zoomers doing? I'd rather have yet another HPx[series] crossover than a fic about pronouns and therapy talk.
No. 1690786
>>1690774I think some proshippers go too far. They act like posting fic of a 12 year old being gang raped is brave, groundbreaking, and a crusade for civil rights. It's just porn addiction at that point.
Antis, on the other hand, go too far and act like people shipping an 18 year old with a 22 year old is a heinous sin and start brigading and telling a living human being to kys to "protect" a fictional character in fancontent. Both sides are deranged. Great milk if they weren't destroying fan spaces with their retarded infight.
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>Right leaning
Where?
Also damn she's really making this worse for herself.
No. 1690904
>>1690892A lot of them get caught reading/bookmarking fics that they would only have found by browsing the naughty tags, then they lash out with a nasty comment after reading 30 chapters in some kind of kneejerk denial that they were enjoying that trash like a raccoon. Instead of virtue signalling and crybullying they should be writing and interacting with wholesome content.
Just like the gendies who sperg all day about what flags a character would totally be. They should be out producing A-quality content if they want to convince me the character is transmasc or whatever made up shit. They wanna lecture but don't want to sell. Gendieism is just the new sparkledogs.
No. 1690919
>>1690892I think some do enjoy
problematic media, but feel guilt for it and then have the need to overcompensate for it.
No. 1690923
>>1690892I'm an "anti" and I still like things that could be considered
problematic. I just don't like to make a big deal out of it. Most you'll find me doing is reading fanfic about it or looking at fanart of some pairing, but at least I'm not dedicating my twitter to it. I also don't publically hate on proshippers outside of having a "proship dni" in my bio. I don't take much of it seriously but if I'm forced to align with someone, it's not gonna be the group that the public thinks are all pedo-incest shippers
No. 1690934
>>1690930It's the same thing as having "+R18 only" or "-18 DNI" in your bio. It's just to set a boundary. If someone breaks said boundary, you just block them. Don't get the big deal. I get making fun of egregiously long DNIs but a simple one like that is a non-issue.
>>1690932I used to not have it in my bio, but I was tired of having certain people follow me so it was easier to just say don't follow.
No. 1690965
>>1690961I think my favorite part is "I'm just a loser nerd teenager". They always have to cry teenager kek. 19 is too old to be calling yourself that.
>>1690901It's okay, nonna. I'm assuming you just had a retard moment, or jumped on without reading this (short) thread.
There was a selfpost here
>>1690685, and anon responded with YWNBAM since it's a tif. The post you replied to is someone else laughing at her for immediately crying about it on twitter.
No. 1690976
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Yaeyato antis piss me off so fucking bad. For context, Yae Sakura is canonically in love with a woman in the game Honkai which is loosely connected to Genshin, but her expy Yae Miko in Genshin is still a different character with a different personality altogether. Because of this, some people hunt down yaeyato (m/f) shippers and call them lesbophobic with the reasoning that Genshin Yae is a (get this) ‘lesbian-coded’ character when there’s not a hint of fucking evidence in the coomer moid gazed harem clusterfuck that is Genshin’s character interactions. I even ship the most popular lesbian Yae ship (EiMiko) but these fuckers are making it more and more unpleasant by the day to the point where I no longer want to associate with them. Your headcanon is just that. A headcanon. You can headcanon her as lesbian, and others can headcanon her as bisexual or straight, because it’s none of your fucking business what they choose to interpret from the game. Sorry for the rant nonnies but these retards are on my feed lately. Picrel.
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This sums up the current Ao3 discourse for me tbh
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There's something unsettling about "shipping culture" when it extends to real people's sexuality and relationship. So a picture Katy Perry went Viral, it was from hiking trip a few months ago as a birthday celebration for her lesbian friend, and she was wearing a shirt that said "Year of the Lesbians". The self-described sapphic girls on Twitter took this as her "coming out" and started posting pictures of her kissing girls (during the era where every female celebrity pretended to be bi for male attention). When people pointed out that she's only ever been in long-term relationships with men and is married to a man, they justified it as fake PR relationships and focused on how girly Orlando Bloom is (assuming he's gay). These people are just brain-rotten with shipping discourse, and it's bad enough when it's within fandom, but when it extends to real life, it becomes so much worse.
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>>1690685>twitterfag writes exactly like a stereotypical twitterfagmy fucking sides
No. 1691088
>>1691074NTA but I have seen porn fics starring real-life minors.
And while this one was fictional, I once was going thru a minor character tag and saw a porn fic simply tagged as "child porn".
No. 1691115
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I fucking hate it when something that i like that's really obscure and long forgotten gets viral on twitter and it develops a tranny zoomer ''fandom'' that completly misunderstands the themes, make terrible zoomer ironic memes, starts transing the characters and on top of that become the obnoxious moralfagging ''fan'' that pretends they have always liked the thing. Happened to moral orel, looney tunes show and now its happening to Eltingville club. I know it's a retarded first world problem, but it annoys me so fucking bad. Literally cant have one single shit with a small dedicated fanbase anymore, one retard is bound to break containment and expose it to the zoomies on shitter. I am so tired of my favourite things becoming the special interest of some tranny zoomer for two weeks.
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>I can't imagine how mentally ill you have to be to make picrel.
No. 1691143
>>1691115As a 3rd worlder, I understand what you're going through,
nonny. I like an obscure 2009 cartoon and all of a sudden it got fics on ao3 this very year which is worrying. Tbf some are actually good and normal but it's only a matter of time before the weird shit starts popping up. I don't know why is it getting fics now but I hope it didn't go viral on twitter or tumblr or something.
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>>1690461Oh my god, that's the same situation that lead to this exchange because they also had YaeYato on that card kek but I understand the artist wanting to distance themselves, I would also be upset if I liked a ship and someone came swinging at me telling me that one of the characters is like 15 while the other is early 20s when that wasn't something I had ever considered. I guess it shouldn't matter that much because the characters and dynamics largely stay the same, but it puts a new weird light on the relationship that I would also be uncomfortable with. Even though Genshin doesn't have proper hints about ages so the entire argument is largely pointless. Like, I saw someone getting called out for shipping Albedo with Aether and I don't even remember which one was supposed to be the possible minor, but I also haven't seen anyone else get called out over that. Getting a callout really only depends on how much people dislike you personally
No. 1691157
>>1691153KEK
> Why the fuck should I respect the sexuality of a character that doesn’t exist> Um glurble glurble um BECAUSEAlso
> Getting a callout really only depends on how much people dislike you personallyAbsolutely. I’m so tired of people mysteriously producing a list of
problematic qualities from nowhere the second they have a falling out with someone over discord. They’re like middle schoolers, I swear.
No. 1691251
>>1691224which is why i said
>nsfw side account where ONLY other adults could followthese accounts weren't public as opposed to now when everyone is just showing anime boy hole and pole constantly.
>>1691183are you still on social media? i advise deleting the apps and installing browser extensions that lock websites after you browsed them for a certain period of time per day. i was addicted to fandoms for years (like ever since i had a stable internet connection at age 10, back then we used chatrooms and tiny little forums kek) but now i'm 31 and i look at fandom drama and go "wow. anyways." it's very freeing.
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>>1691146for me its eltingville club. Clips of the pilot got popular recently. Its got a very small niche fanbase, mostly on /co/. I dont think i am ready to see bill with chest scars… I still remember when Moral Orel got popular, bunch of tifs latching onto the father. I hate when stuff i like get ''fandoms''.
No. 1691262
>>1691251Thanks
nonnie, I’ll start being stricter on my cold turkey usage then kek
No. 1691265
I avoid interacting with anyone who would go out of their way to self ID as proship or anti. Ideologically I generally agree that people will ship what they like, and it’s not worth harassing people over a
problematic ship, but every time I see proship in someone’s bio they catapult right to drawing the most gross degen shit and then get in slap fights with kids about it too. I miss the era
>>1690386 described. It feels like circles of
problematic interests are more extreme now, now that there’s the big proship/anti divide. Like if you’re okay shipping a 16 year old and a 20 year old you need to be okay with seeing little kids getting molested cause it’s all “proship”
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>>1691270The argument was that the traveller always says they're too young to drink alcohol, which would mean they are younger than 18. And the centuries of sleep that the traveller went through don't count since they didn't age them up. But it's all kind of stupid and could easily be interpreted differently. Literally anyone else shipping them is left alone, not to mention that no one gets on moid coomers case for drawing Yae the "canon lesbian" or any character that's largely headcanoned as minor getting fucked by men
No. 1691340
>>1691328i dont understand why they watch anime or otaku culture infested products and then get mad when they see 16yos with big tits or 5000 year old elf lolis. What's the point of watching anime then? It has always been a '
problematic' medium. The consequences of anime becoming 'cool' with the kids.
No. 1691479
>>1690976Genshin fandom is certainly something. Also you can't criticize those specific harassment campaigns because otherwise you'll hear "omfg hetshippers think they're so oppressed lmao" like oppression was even mentioned or put forward as a bargaining chip? Also genshin fans are generally the worst fans to interact in person too. It'll always be the worst people imaginable wearing their ready-made aliexpress costumes. Not a single one of them has a redeemable personality or talk about anything else other than chronically online crap. I know it's because they're mostly zoomers but sometimes I'll even meet people my own age and it's kind of scary how annoying they are.
>>1691328>you can't ship this because of MY headcanon and/or MY retarded interpretation of the lore and/or characterI feel like this has been the reason behind 90% of fandom discourse these days. You can't draw or write some thing because oh it's an incredibly popular fan headcanon and you'll piss people off, because it's basically canon. Fandom is activism and all that, so if you don't agree with a gay, trans or race headcanon you must have an ulterior motive and are some flavor of bigoted or something. Why wouldn't you think traveler is a minor unless you were a pedophile looking to ship icky ships?
No. 1691620
>>1691115i know that feel, especially if it's something very 90's and edgy. it'll get woobified to hell and back.
>>1691088for anyone dealing with pro and anti, how do you distinguish that you're proship and don't care about what people write, but hate any form of pedo shit/don't want to see it? I genuinely do not care about anything that's written so long as it isn't that type of fic. I've run into a lot of proship people who were into that sort of thing and i'm kind of sick of dealing with proship people who are into it
No. 1691667
>>1691620why do you have to distinguish yourself? why do you have to label yourself? just read/support and write the content you want more of in the world. somehow fanfiction became a fucking moral crusade. it used to be written by bored people who hated their job/college. now everything is nonstop virtue signalling and terminal online syndrome. the shit these pros/antis obsess over, if you went outside to touch grass, no one normal would even know what the hell they're talking about or why they're so upset about it. echo chambers are psychological drug addiction.
>>1691479genshin fans are particularly
toxic and bloodthirsty. probably because playing genshin is as fun as epilating. i agree with the nonna who said the characters don't even have personalities, genshin characters are overdesigned waifu/husbando-factory cardboard cutouts. and people foam at the mouth about shipping them. they also have some really, really fucked up smut fics. the ironic thing is most of these people who bash het are themselves straight when you get to the bottom of the matter. a gendie with a vagina who ends up taking dick in it is just straight with extra steps. they should get over themselves.
No. 1692089
>>1692065Do you really think something like "proship DNI" will stop them?
Also just talk to women only.
No. 1692093
>>1691132Lmao you can't win with that crowd. You date an adult? You're inmoral because the MC is 16. You date a minor near the MC's age? You're a pedophile for being into minors. To not talk about Futaba because half of the fandom have decided she's the MC's sister.
Are there even people who actually take the dating mechanic seriusly? I feel only 30s incels do, for me at least it's just a small extra story to see another side of the characters.
No. 1692105
>>1692093>To not talk about Futaba because half of the fandom have decided she's the MC's sisterGod, I hate this crap in any fandom. A complete and absolute non-canon headcanon is taken as gospel because the majority of the fandom has it. One thing is writing out your grievances in fanfiction and I love that, but fanon in this context is almost always shit. And then people will like, I don't know how to describe it, fucking interrogate you sometimes as to why. It's not that deep sometimes someone just doesn't have the same idea! Yeah sometimes it'll be because they're a homophobe or want to see incest (whatever I'm not an anti) but holy shit I wish there wasn't such a broad stroke. I don't want to be interrogated on the basis of oh but "why don't you headcanon it too? that's
sus"
No. 1692110
>>1692105There's this artist who gets harrased all the time because she ships 2 unrelated (confirmed by the game itself) characters who most of the fandom HCs as twins, so they assume she thinks of them as twins as well, it's wild.
Also maybe it's because incest is legal over here unlike the US and so it doesn't have that stigma to me, but I never understood why people throw a fuss over shipping siblings/cousins, I get it's kinda weird but I dunno, there are way worse things out there.
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>>1692160I did quit about two or three years ago but I remember the early days when the manga was up and running and how much more personality they gave to the characters back then. Hell, they even made dottore ugly as fuck and I loved him for it. But oh no, the second Hoyo realised the cash they could milk him for they yassified him into a Kooleen level husbando. Don’t get me wrong. I love the characters too and I love fics that deep dive into their personalities, motivations and fears, but I think Genshin’s character depth draws from the strength of its lore building and not the other way around. With the market demanding a set of sexy dress up dolls for a cast it’s the only free place they have left to get creative with their game. Sad.
No. 1692226
>>1692110>why people throw a fuss over shipping siblings/cousins, I get it's kinda weird but I dunno, there are way worse things out there.I don't get when there are characters who are step-siblings and never raised together and if you ship them everyone will treat it as if you ship incest. Or if there's a setting where cousin marriage is normal between nobles for political reasons like, idk, in the middle ages and two cousins will canonically be married for said reasons and the fans will lose their shit at everyone who acknowledges the relationship. I'm thinking about FE Fates in particular, years ago many artists I liked a lot were into this game and had their own husbandos who they married in-game who were part of one of the royal families, so not directly related to the MC and they all got harassed for shipping the MC with Xander/Marks because he's her adoptive brother who wasn't raised with her and who knew she was a political hostage and not her sister all along or some shot. Then you had random people who got insulted for shipping the MC with Azura, who's his/her bio cousin but they don't know it and they're both royalty anyway. In a medieval setting. I've also seen people being disgusted that Clive's parents in FF16 are cousins even though, just like in FE Fates, they're nobles, the story takes place in a setting inspired by medieval politics and inheriting the thrones depends on whether the characters have hereditary superpowers or not. So of course they're cousins.
No. 1692324
>>1692139>rape>gore>shotaconnta but these are things ordinary people are desensitized and naturally react negatively to though. It's better nonna doesn't want to see that content
>>1692090In my opinion, you might have to run a blockchain on artists' followings to help. The DNI doesn't work too well, but blocking people, muting certain words, and pressing "not interested" can help a bit
No. 1692348
>>1692340Nahida turned from one of the most liked characters to one of the most disliked characters in 3.6 because she exercised some autonomy instead of relying on the traveler and determined it may be wiser to keep the immortal demigod ex-harbinger around as an ally. the cn male playerbase whined specifically about how betrayed they felt about her sending Scaramouche to investigate the event instead of asking the traveler.
anyway, considering the massive player tantrums, it's no wonder so many of the cast are generic cute overworked girls who love you for no reason
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>>1692747Forbidden fruit aspect for me, I don't have any siblings or non potato cousins so I never got skeeved out by it, I think the closeness between siblings to the point of a tragic forbidden love (regardless of if it's het or BL) is really cute
Bonus points if they're twins.
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>>1692747I have siblings too, anon, and I would say it’s either because I don’t see them as siblings in canon or because I don’t care and can overlook it. An example of the first one is kaeluc, wherein kaeya was taken under diluc’s family’s wing and grew up under their care. I think while diluc’s father would have seen him as his adopted son, diluc himself developed a childhood crush and simply never grew too see him as an actual brother (which is reinforced by their breakup in the manga and their relationship afterwards). Again, just my headcanon (also picrel because the art is cute). An example of the second is those twins in ouran host club, or the plantcest ship from trigun. Sure they’re indisputably siblings, but since it’s fiction and ONLY because it’s fiction I can choose to lock that fact in a small box at the back of my head if I like their dynamic enough. All of that said, though, it’s not like I go looking for incest dynamics. And I especially don’t ship ones that are uncomfortably similar to the relationship I have with my siblings, otherwise it immediately squicks me out. The key is that there’s got to be a level of detachment, which is why anime incest is so common and carefree, because anime is so distant from any semblance of reality 99.9% of the time. I hoped this helped, anon!
No. 1692996
>>1692747I only have sisters and the only incest ships I have are between brothers. And they tend to have very unrealistic and melodramatic stories so their relationships are unrelatable no matter how well written they are. You know, like an over the top Greek tragedy. Like Dante and Vergil in DMC or Clive and Joshua in FF16. In Fruits Basket I found the whole "cousins affected by the curse dating each other" weird but I guess that's part of the curse in an indirect way, just like all the domestic abuse. And early on it's explained that the family is so big they're not actual cousins and just vaguely distantly related to each other, and the Soma family is more like a huge, rich clan.
I think people who call any of the ships in FE Fates between the MC and the Nohr or Hoshido siblings "incest ships" are reaching way too hard or are actually doing crack because the MC isn't raised with any of them, doesn't look related to any of them, and then you have Xander and Ryoma knowing all along they're unrelated to the point you could call Ryoma a crazy yandere for implying that's the case until he proposes to the female MC and acting the way he does in Conquest. Straight up more batshit crazy than Camilla. I'll never get how the fandom treats this as making the story objectively bad when there's worse in other games like Awakening letting Lucina and Owain marry each other for no reason despite them acting like actual siblings.
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>>1692992I also wanted to add that I think the reason Twitter antis get so violently angry over harmless incest ships is because gen z has a tendency to project way too hard onto fictional characters. Hell, it’s even encouraged: kinning, hyperfixation, blorbo, all of these stupid quirky terms lead to an unhealthy distortion of the lines between fiction and reality. That’s why you get seething randos typing essays under Kaeluc fanart about how they see themselves as diluc and their precious baby sibling as kaeya and therefore you should kys and it’s as bad as lewding the commenter’s real family and blah blah blah! Like okay. Why the fuck are you making your personal issues the artists’ problem? Just ten years ago this would have been seen as insane behaviour, but because TikTok keeps encouraging teens into unhealthy self-insertion into fiction it’s become weirdly accepted and normalised.
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>>1693004I'd get her argument more even if she was just talking about '2deep4u' types, but most shounenfags are like 14? Why is she who as mentioned in the video is almost 30 getting upset over shounen kids.
>It seems like she didn't like that people corrected her for factual errors while acting like she's the shoujo expert so she takes this as "negging"Agreed, I've noticed this with youtubers in general lately in that they take personal offense to even tiny things like people saying they pronounced a word wrong.
I get why it can get annoying if people in the comments are constantly bringing it up, but you could also just make a pinned comment as opposed to acting like a diva who's above critique.
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>>1693008She also claims that shoujo readers are looking down on her because they criticize her for not reading anything before the 90's, but it's
valid criticism as 70's was such an important decade for shoujo and if you really want to learn more and be the expert you claim to be, you should take the advice with an open mind. The issue with plebs is that they touch things only on the surface level and while that's enough for just a casual fan, you shouldn't be angry when people perceive you as a casual fan.
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>>169274790% of the stuff I like is tooth-rotting fluff, so sometimes it's nice to switch up a bit and read different things.I enjoy ships between siblings, but only it’s a bit fucked up. Most of what I seek into the dynamic isn’t exclusive to siblings though, but I probably prefer to read it as incest because the way my older sister treated me was sometimes borderline sexual harassment, so seeing someone going thru the same stuff is kind of cathartic to me.
But that aside, I always have seem to be into sibling incest for some resaon kek The first ship I remember enjoying was between adopted siblings, and after that came twins & blood siblings, so I may just have a thing for it.
No. 1693229
>>1693008>but most shounenfags are like 14Not really, most shonenfags I know (especially the former big 3) are now mid 20's elder zoomers or young millenials. The pendulum has kind of swung back and now being an unironic shitty anime fan is in fashion again, even on /a/ which used to outright ban that stuff. In fact the majority of anime fans I interact with irl are into stuff like One Piece, JJK and Chainsaw Man, I think those are the most popular nowadays.
As for /a/ specifically, I think they love being contrarians and since being an elitist anime fan is now kind of popular they're going double contrarian and liking what the kids like, as well as 4chan being invaded by children now more than ever. Evangelion coming out on Netflix produced a very specific generation of weebs kek
No. 1694172
>>1693575It's really is not though, just like
>>1693976 said; you can dislike it without making up stuff you know
No. 1694223
>>1693976There's so much to criticize about the game instead like it not having sufficient content warnings for the amount of obscene explicit shock content it has, but every time I see this game being discussed on the farms I wonder if some posters are aware that horror games are supposed to make you uncomfortable. Of course if you boot up scared and hungry you will watch a character saw their arms off or die in some other horrific manner. It's not that deep either at least in my opinion, seems like the type of game where the objective is not the lore per se (imo?) but to deliver an utterly depressing and oppressive atmosphere. It's an explicitly edgy game and it attracted the edgelords. The troons in the fandom are annoying though. I like how you can chart how the fandom deteriorated the more troons were in it… and to be fair the dev adding a canon tranny to fear and hunger termina didn't help kek I can't wk that no matter how hard I try
>>1692997My kneejerk reaction to whenever I saw this kind of topic come up was "If you want to see yourself, why don't you look in a mirror?" and then I realized it was because every idiot and their mom wanted a character to self insert in. Why do you always need to "relate" to something to enjoy it? Sometimes things are different. God, grow up. Have a little fun. Imagine yourself as a completely unrelatable alien creature in a foreign universe. I don't even hate self inserting or relating but why do the self inserters try to drown out every content that's not for self inserting?
No. 1694243
>>1692747I only have sisters and I'm really close with them so I'm really grossed out by any f/f incest shipping.
I have heard so many horror stories of girls being sexually abused by their brothers (both biological and step brothers) so I can't help but view m/f incest shipping as something scrotish even though its popular amongst women.
I do like some taboo stuff in fandom but incest is a huge issue irl and no one does anything to help the female
victims before it's too late. Women aren't going to assault their family members just because they read incest fics
unlike men who starts abusing female family members after developing a porn addiction but it's hard for me to not think about all the incest cases I know from irl whenever I stumble upon incest content in fandom
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>>1694172>>1693976>>1694219>>1694223>anons explaining why the male gamedev deciding a loincloth is more protective equipment than a robe for a little girl in a dungeon full of monsters with "stingers" that pulsate and rape-attacks that can kill you in one hit is actually just bro0tal realismI don't do this shit. I call a spade a spade. He didn't make things that way because "omg rape is horrifying, do people even know that?? they have to know so they can know how awful it is". He wanted his edgy game to have ryona/guro/torture porn aspects and cheap shock value. The comparison to Berserk doesn't hold (but even Kentaro Miura is a lolicon/pro-lolicon IIRC, so lmao).
It's not a problem to enjoy any piece of fictional media, or even just certain aspects of it. You can know something is made by a degenerate and contains degenerate content, and still have a nuanced viewpoint on it. What I dislike is the insane denial and copes, and the fact that the lion's share of it is coming from women. The twitter troons doing it are also the first to "cancel" media made by/for other women over the mildest things, but they mysteriously leave male-made content alone, and in the case of things like F&H, defend it with their lives. It reminds me of Made In Abyss fans insisting all the questionable shit Akihito Tsukushi put into it is "just real and depressing!!".
No. 1694436
>>1694422I already mentioned the "stingers". It's the rape event that can cripple you. The Girl isn't forced to wear a loincloth, she starts with the Black Dress. She cannot wear certain armor types, and the armor found is dependent on the environment. Torturers are an enemy that wear lightly armored loincloths made of leather, so she can wear the loincloths. The Beserk inspiration is clearly obvious, both from the writing and art.
You sound like you haven't even played the game. You can dislike a game without lying about what it entails. The content and gameplay is pretty rough, which is why I personally don't care for it. It's not fun for me to do a hundred restarts to barely begin discovering the story.
I understand that you're upset women's work is more highly scrutinized, but calling every game with shocking content a "rape fetish game" makes you sound immature. Obviously anons who follow horror games and are involved in the genre are going to correct you when you are intentionally misleading about a game that was popular for the horror elements. Getting aggressive and mocking anons about it is not going to suddenly make you win the argument. I'm sure if you just started the conversation talking about women's work being devalued (which was absent from your initial post, for some reason, hm), anons would happily engage in the conversation.
No. 1694450
>>1694422>The twitter troons doing it are also the first to "cancel" media made by/for other women over the mildest things, but they mysteriously leave male-made content alone, and in the case of things like F&H, defend it with their lives. It reminds me of Made In Abyss fans insisting all the questionable shit Akihito Tsukushi put into it is "just real and depressing!!".Based. Women can create depressing works with horrifying elements to work through their negative emotions and trauma and make it a thrilling, captivating experience yet they get cancelled for being
problematic degenerates even when they're simply minding their own business, but men can create thinly veiled torture porn all they want and people will bend over backwards defending their ~art~ with the power of extreme denial. I tried getting into Fear&Hunger because I'm into dark horror but it was obvious the author was putting in mindless grotesque shit for shock value, no storytelling interest. I actually really like the creative direction and the monster designs are horrifyingly creative, but it is what it is.
>It reminds me of Made In Abyss fans insisting all the questionable shit Akihito Tsukushi put into it is "just real and depressing!!".Made in Abyss is the most overrated bunch of garbage pedoshit I've seen and it makes me want to a-log seeing how it got made into an animated series while so many other amazing mangas of the same genre get forgotten or cancelled. Fuck Akihito Tsukushi, that sick bastard's work should be left in some underground gonzo magazine, not a big budget multipart movie.
No. 1694453
>>1694436>you don't have to make her wear the loincloth described as dirty and sweatySure, and why is it an option? Explain the realism of why that's better defense than a dress, and why it was just so impossible to add in other forms of gear she could wear. I'd love to hear, kek.
>y-you're lying about what's in the gameI didn't lie at all, though. Your response is made up of rationalizations for what I've pointed out, not corrections. He's into torture porn, the game has aspects of that so ubiquitous coupled with the rape that people deigned to make mods removing the latter (because it has no value aside fom making him and the original fans from before the 16 year old FtMs showed up coooooom even harder), and that's it. You can still play it, just stop trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. This isn't some 2deep4u shit. Expanding on my point isn't suspicious, either.
>>1694450It's insane
nonny. I've seen some female creators talk about wanting to release their work under a male name for the same reasons, and it makes me sad, but I can't fault them. I got into the game in the early stages because I liked the art, but the gameplay is edgy for the sake of edgy and the "story" is cheap.
No. 1694487
>>1694436>every time I see this game being discussed on the farms I wonder if some posters are aware that horror games are supposed to make you uncomfortableI guess I'll agree to disagree with the anons. It's really no use to argue with people who don't like/follow the horror scene, they don't like that the game has edgy shock content and that's ok. Made in abyss is absolute dogwater though. I get that the series is supposed to be a contrast of cute and creepy but fuck, this guy clearly has a fixation on children. If I recall correctly that's just the author's "thing", like, he draws lots and lots of kids. Even his professional work for game art was mostly kids.
>>1694453>and it makes me sad, but I can't fault them. On one hand I think it's based to spit on the face of retards who harass women for fun, and on the other I think it's sad that you need to put spicy pronouns in your bio to say or do anything. No point in being a TIF either because only real men get the preferential treatment.
No. 1694620
>>1694487>>1694498I hate Made in Abyss so fucking much solely because it's a pile of wasted potential. The lovecraftian premise and art were interesting and kept me reading for a long time before the story got too weak to force me to tolerate the author pushing his fucked up fetishes in literally every single scene. At every page turn you were met with a little girl being subjected to body horror obscenity whether it was
her being impaled by monster claws, tortured with pain and psychological horror, implied to have been raped by her foster father, drugged and reduced into organ soup to have said daddy feed on her energy, continuously maimed and killed without being able to die, having her teeth shattered, forced to birth an endless amount of monsters and of course all the shit and piss kinks. Tsukushi is a fucking weirdo and his editor should've kept tighter reins on him, I get moids being able to read the thing being all for abusing female children but as for me I will never pick it up again. He flew too close to the sun and ruined a good thing with his moid degeneracy.
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>>1694436I think the game has some really cool designs and I like that androgynous looking woman in armor. But the game could've been handled better though.
>>1694468Tbf He's not even an actual tranny. In the story his mom raises him as a girl to protect him from a priest or some shit.But of course troons latched onto him immediately.
>>1694620Honestly that Made in Abyss fucker looks disabled. Autistic degenerate men always fixate on children, rape, and gore.
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>>1694686>Tbf He's not even an actual tranny. In the story his mom raises him as a girl to protect him from a priest or some shit.But of course troons latched onto him immediately.that's the a common troon fantasy "being "forced" to live as a girl" also I read the chateracter's wiki and they literally end up becoming a TIM in the equialvent of wiener Germany in the end, I would not be surprised if the creator had drawn cp in his computer.
No. 1694767
>>1691479You're either lying through your teeth to twist the narrative or simply ignorant, Yaeyato was literally created out of spite by people pissed off at Ayathoma and Eimiko being so strongly favored by the story and the most prolific Yaeyato shipper who arguably started it (The original daily Yaeyato one) was outed talking about how much she dislikes lesbians on her discord server making it pretty obvious why she was pushing the ship. She deactivated immediately after the caps surfaced and some Eimiko shipper started squatting her handle kek. Also that person mentioning the similarities between Ottokallen and Yaeyato shippers is spot on, both have no respect for the lore, can't stand the homosexual implications and barely give a fuck about the female character because they always reduce her into a completely OOC interpretation making a cunning and morally grey female character like Yae into a smiley waifu blushing in her man's embrace. With Ottokallen it's particularly insulting because Otto is a retarded scrote who obsesses over Kallen who already rejected his feelings yet shippers consider it true love and Kallen just doesn't know what's good for her.
Generally speaking, these people mask their pretty obvious discomfort with homosexuality being tagged on characters with their "hetshippers are oppressed and bullied in this fandom" discourse. The game will never, ever support any m/f ship besides the ones involving the self insert main character because it would make Chinese waifu/husbandofags go on a stabbing spree so they're filling those gaps by pandering multiple m/m and f/f ships and this seems to seriously
trigger people who want their pink and blue m/f wattpad fics to be just as "legitimate" and popular as the same sex dynamics the game consistently seems to prefer. As someone who actually is a lesbian it's very transparent when the "
problematic ship" tag is constantly slapped exclusively on same sex ships and having seen enough homophobia in my life I know it when I see it.
No. 1694782
>>1694775Why are you talking about it like it's some kind of war kek Sorry to use you as an example, but why do people get so militant about shipping. I haven't been like
>>1694767 about a ship since I was 13. From an outside looking in perspective, when you spend time in the real world and come back to fandom discourse, everything about it (either side or whatever) all seems so retarded
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>>1694796I didn't know what yaeyato was so I looked it up. This is actually pretty cute. Not sure why nonna is so mad about it.
No. 1694845
>>1694767Yaeyato is indeed a stupid crackship but my god EiMiko fans are easily among the most insufferable shippers in the entire genshin.
aether x harem moids are worse ofc but still
No. 1694967
>>1694223>If you want to see yourself, why don't you look in a mirror?Obviously because real life is boring?
I want to imagine myself as the hero, or in a fantastical situation.
I don't engage with fandom though.
No. 1695024
>>1694799It's a spiteful crack ship with no basis on canon and Yae is literally one of the only female characters in the game who isn't a workaholic nice wholesome waifu but instead morally dubious and mean to the main character, yet these shippers insist on turning her into a cutesy bubbly housewife, a total 180 from how she's actually written in the game, just because she's pink colored. The art you posted looks completely off beat and the lack of self awareness and deliberate understanding of the source material is why Genshin hetshippers are so universally disliked. They keep throwing tantrums about le evil gays bullying their hecking
valid ships and utterly miss the mark on why woobiefying female characters to fit their view of heteronormative relationship dynamics and hyperfixation on erasing same sex ships ticks people off. You can ship whatever, nobody's going to take your precious ship away, but people don't have to like that ship or even respect it. For people who claim to "hate shipping being taken so seriously" they sure do give a whole fuck about how people perceive their OTPs.
>>1694845I actually hate EiMiko and think most of its fans are lunatic polilezzies but there's no denying that the game intended them to be a couple. People also shipped other nonsensical pairings like Zhongli x Ningguang and Cyno x Nilou just to divert attention away from the much more popular lesbian and gay ships, they just wanted to take the most attractive characters of the region as their glorified power couple to turn into copium while those said evil gays keep oppressing them with the abundance of fan content. But that said this is /ot/ and in here criticizing anything straight brings out the homophobe-chans immediately so there's no point in continuing further.
No. 1695029
>>1695028You too
nonnie, mwah
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>>1695034>But this ebil hetshipperino conversation is so washed out. Acting like you're getting fag bashed over the internet, wtf? See the thing is that takes like this are on par with scrotes acting dishonest about blatant sexualization of female characters in the way of "why are you acting like you're raped when you find female characters running around in a bikini with her tits flopping around the place disturbing". Nobody's claiming that, but certain implications can be made and you're trying to paint the opposing opinion as pointless hysterics. But now that we're here, picrel is a pretty good example of their modus operandi.
>inb4 that's a troll!!!!No it's not, this is a legit trend.
No. 1695066
>>1695046For background there's a recent increase of hetshippers writing corrective rape fics in the tags of f/f ships just to attack f/f shippers and lesbians and put them in their place, it's not exclusive to the Genshin fandom. You thought yuri/yaoishippers could get unhinged? Then you haven't met the hetshippers who will pull this kind of psycho shit just to own the meanie dykes lesbofying their self insert/waifu.
>>1695061>Writes a whiny bitchpost about straights being oppressed on their twitter feed for literally no reason at all>A reply chain of people playing victim over the Gays genociding their het OTPs>Rebuttal happens calling them out and laying out the foundation of why a ship is considered to have homophobic origins in the fandom and why it matters>"Girl why do you care so much smh it's just genshin it's shit anyway stop being mentally ill!!!"It's a two way street
nonnie kek
No. 1695070
>>1695066Second AYRT and it was the first time I waaq replying to you, I too find hetshippers annoying and I think they have a
victim complex, I just think it's a shame that you're getting so worked up over a shitty video game.
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A second plane has hit the twitter feed, Sir
No. 1695177
>>1695169>>1695173Yeah, I can’t help but think that it was truly unnecessary to do stuff like those. Like, first off the art makes the wasian dude look like some fashion model, but the blasian dude looks like a racist caricature.
And then those panels are just dumb.
Let me guess, it’s a story about a retarded dude getting revenge from getting bullied as a kid or his parents died or some shit and now he has to become the #1 asshole of the world.
No. 1695190
>>1692747I write fanfics sometimes. I don't care about shipping but I like writing angst and especially codependent relationships. A lot of incest ships are codependent so it's very good writing material. And also putting characters through "forbidden" situations makes it easier to understand their personalities. Siblings for example, how would they react with each other, what about other people, can they keep their relationship a secret? Do they share it with the world and if yes are they accepted or attacked for it etc those are very interesting questions to answer.
>>1695166I agree, usually the stuff I like is either very popular on Tumblr and Twitter or not known at all. And the fandom is going to have some gems but most of the time it's obnoxious and they have headcanons that contradict canon entirely or they're super obsessed with the source material. Eating and breathing the source material.
No. 1695220
>>1695024As if m/m fans have never woobified anyone. Most mlm fics are so ooc that one of the characters is basically a 1950s tradwife in the body of a twink, heterosexuality with extra steps. Your own feces does not smell like roses. You're also going insane over pink/blue but ignoring that red/blue is a huge mlm trope, and fans of slash will colonize any fandom where a red and blue character have a rivalry to make wooby fics of them rutting.
Just let them ship the foxgirl with the nobletwink. How does this hurt you? There are like 113 fics of yaeyato on ao3 compared to 80k or some insane number for genshin as a whole, and even this lonely rarepair makes you deranged? You aren't the shipping police.
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>>1695065average genshin fan
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my tinfoil is the kind of people mentioned "nonspoken fandom rules" are literally perverted
No. 1695652
>>1695155People need to realize South Korea has always been a country full of
toxic, hateful and self-hating people. Racism toward any group with darker skin (including other Asians) is rampant there, but they despise themselves the hardest, and feel this deep sense of inferiority to the rest of the world. All their pop culture exports are poor imitations of things the west and other Asian countries have done better, they know it, and they drip pure misery. Can't wait til the koreaboo trend dies out.
No. 1695823
>>1694767>>1695024Ah so you're the type of person that made all my friends want to stop drawing fanart of a game they genuinely enjoyed
>>1695804They're far and few in between. The amount of teens I've seen send death threats to random people drawing ships that call themselves Eimiko fans however, is significantly larger.
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>>1695038I looked into this tweet, and at the time of its creation, the account had 0 tweets prior and was made a month before. It's the most obvious troll account I've ever seen. They haven't been active in over a year so the fact that you're posting this just makes you look bitter kek. The only people taking that account serious were proshippers who, for people who talk about media literacy a lot, tend to fail to detect trolls
>>1695942just say gay
No. 1696356
>>1695361Is it a crime to be a perv nona? Post is right. Don't want to see "perverted" shit, don't look at it. Block it. Delete your twitter. Just close your eyes and go fight for the rights of women and children being abused in the real world right now by criminal, insane, psychopathic moids. The millennial who reads some slash fanfiction with >muh
problematic tropes is not the same as the moid who rapes children on screen.
No. 1696564
>>1696356People who base their whole personality around being older and liking
problematic fanfiction are so funny. Acting as if their one-off rape fic has the same cultural impact as a movie
No. 1696648
>>1696594Until the day you can go outside and ask a person in your age range if they know the name of a fanfic you've read, they'll never be on the same level. Movies are ass right now but they still have more prestige
>>1696617Never said I was against
problematic stuff, stop assuming things just because you're mad lol
No. 1696669
>>1696648nta. I don't consume media in order to talk about it with normies. I'd rather read enjoyable fanfic and keep it to myself than watch a mediocre hollycrap film to talk with overenthusiastic neckbeards about it. If I wanted the latter I'd watch stuuuurrr wuuuuurs and get a reddit account.
Fandoms might be rarified to the point genshin fans will send you death threats for liking a crackship but some of the spaces are still amazing. My OTP's community is full of talented, brilliant, welcoming people. It's mostly twitter users and teenagers who cause all the problems.
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I’m gonna say it. I don’t get welcome home at all. Like, I kiiind of see how 12 year old me could have gotten into it the same way as eddsworld but it isn’t even a proper indie project. As far as I understand it’s just someone’s OCs. Could any nonas care to explain??
No. 1697749
>>1697738It's literally custom made to be the next mascot """"horror""" pre-teens latch on to. I'd bet my right hand that it has a huge amino and discord filled with 12 year olds.
It's nothing new, nothing imaginative. It's literally Don't Hug Me I'm Scared but with minimal effort and zero creativity
No. 1697797
>>1697738Haha oh boy. It's a gendie who is into puppetshit and obsessed with "trauma" from being gay (or something equivalent to it) making a badly done pseudo-lost media. The creator herself is one of those childhood-obsessed traumacore dorks, but in a modern age and technically without the sexualization of coquette-shit (back to this later). If you read her blog it's instantly apparent she's trying to force her speech into a kind of baby talk, with the excuse that she's ESL and "just so happy". It really makes her come off like a retard.
The website's conceit was a restoration team working to recover "lost artifacts" of a children's puppet show from the 60's, which itself was completely lost to the ravages of time. Included were: bad writing, a lack of effort to establish any believability about the "team's" work, places in the text to highlight so you can read Vaguely Spooky Thing, jumbled text in paragraphs that spelled out Spooky Stuff, randomly enlarged letters that you were meant to append to the end of the url to find hidden pages with, wix copyright stamps all over the website (the creator is not skilled in html/css and claimed to release live versions while "working on it"),
badly implemented "hidden" videos with baby's first teenage tumblrina vent art tier "horror" gifs, content warnings on those 3 second looping videos, and of course, sloppily hosting the "project" on their portfolio website. And yes, there's no story yet. Just rainbow puke character profiles and constant hints that "something's wrong!"
I am inclined to agree with
>>1697749 that the creator basically wanted her own horror mascot franchise, and wanted it gay and dramatic, but without much effort. She clearly watched Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared; Poppy Playtime; and the demos for My Friendly Neighborhood. I'm very sure the affectation is deeply inspired by Dr. Habit from Smile For Me. There's occasional blogposting about how she just loves Sesame Street and muppet history so much. There was already a casting call for "voicework" earlier this year (the website update meant to utilize this voice acting was not great), and she just put out a crowdfunding post for plushies on the 8th of this month. I also find it suspicious that Night Mind just happened to cover a "random indie website" and threw it into overnight popularity when the quality was so, so low.
The other half of the cringe comes from the creator herself. I already mentioned the weird baby talk, but I do think the point is to get the "fanbase" to infantilize her. If you go into the tags on twitter or tumblr, it's full of 12 year old (and up to 30 year old, ugh) white knights passionately defending "Clown" and her anxious drivel. Someone in another thread mentioned the main character is basically a tumblr coomer husbando design, and it is kek. The creator will make posts about how uncomfortable she is about the nsfw fanart in order to get the fandom to clean itself up because she wants to monetize the fucking thing. She also will not stop fucking talking about how the horror itself is meant to relate to being gay and repressing it, and also found family is there somehow, but I haven't seen any delivery on it.
Okay, sorry for any repetition or bad writing, I just woke up. I wish I could make a thread on Welcome Home, but I'd probably get banned for a shit thread and "no milk" because it isn't really on par with the other cows posting their faces and lying about ps kek
No. 1698093
>>1697797I'd read the shit out of that thread,
nonnie. But sadly it's not worth the ban.
No. 1698126
>>1697797I feel like the night mind feature was probably nothing shady. There's droughts of content within any niche and sometimes stuff like this is the best you'll get for a while. As
>>1698093 said, would be super fun to read but like you mentioned, not enough real milk. For me the funniest part is how she doesn't want any nsfw made, and how you'll have children try to be the internet police for anyone lewding the puppets.
No. 1698336
>>1698126>and how you'll have children try to be the internet police for anyone lewding the puppets.Imagine coming home from school to clock in at your full time job fancopping kek
I was at several cons just this year and there was a horde of middle schoolers swarming a tent full of (bootleg) welcome home stuff in more than one occasion. Like wow this was a hit with the youngins. I bet whoever's drawing and selling merch of this thing must be printing money.
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>>1697738Cater made by trend hopping autists for trend hopping autists.
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>>1698336Ironically in addition to not wanting nsfw content of her characters the creator is very 'donut steel' about people making fanmerch of it, which they do anyway.
There was a girl on /co/ who was trying to get a custom made sex doll of the main puppet done with a shit ton of added stuff (like, literal AI voicebox built in that talks to her) and she kept getting pissy at people in the thread telling her it would probably cost as much as a second hand car.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138336297/ No. 1698524
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>>1698521Truly an…interesting person
No. 1698545
>>1698521>>1698524Samefag, hahaha holy shit, thanks so much for posting this. I'm equal parts disgusted and happy I got to read this derangement. Are you sure that thing isn't a TIM? The way they type is extremely retarded and reminds me of moid, and I can't imagine being a big enough autist to show your parents dildo attachment plans on a 9ft tall sex plushie. I think I'm going to try making that thread anyways, there's definitely a bunch of milk from the fanbase, at least.
>>1698093>>1698126I'll try making it in /m/ tomorrow. The pinned thread says the only requirement is topics must revolve around some form of media, so I think we're good. I also checked the catalogue and there are other threads that involve cows and drama, like the J-music and Vtuber threads. The Bad Art thread nonnas discuss cows and have brought up Welcome Home before, too.
It'll be my first thread, and I'm going to try styling the op more like cow threads, but with the artist being a secondary focus. If any nonnas want to chime in about something, that would be cool.
No. 1698553
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>>1698545>Are you sure that thing isn't a TIM? The way they type is extremely retarded and reminds me of moidI mean it's possible, I just assumed they were a really strange TIF based on the series they're into.
>I think I'm going to try making that thread anyways, there's definitely a bunch of milk from the fanbaseI'd post in it! It's frankly one of my favorite fandoms to look at from a safe distance because it's basically on par with the time weird autistic kids (and some adults) got horny for this thing.
No. 1698555
>>1698521>>1698524Holy shit this Wally plush thread was posted on another thread once and I was fucking howling at 3AM over it.
>I am crying right now. Not because of the retarded comments or even my family. But because theres dead birds in my yard again. We have ghetto squirrels that keep killing them. I feed the birds all the time. They even killed their babies. I dont even think they eat them. I named a blue jay wally and that one stopped coming around because of the motherfucking squirrels!!! This is my favorite part her going from her ranting about her fucked up family and wanting an AI sex doll of an ugly muppet to this fucking killed me.
>>1698545I’d be interested in it, even if it’s just a general internet horror thread. Like on the good and the bad of indie games or the fandoms for slasher shit and horror games which are surprisingly full of the types of people discussed ITT. It’s hard to believe there are people out there serious about Leather Face being a tranny or making fanfics where the serial murderer who killed his own family is supportive of a fat twans reader but they exist.
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>>1695234Main thing I know about genshin fans (from my genshinfag friend) is that some Chinese moids killed some cats because it reminded them of the bratty shota from genshin.
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I genuinely believe this interest in "pathetic old men/old man yaoi" is a psy-op by paedophile elites, so that young women and teenage girls will lower their guard around creepy old men.
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>>1698886True, it feels like some of them are genuinely just memeing themselves into it because there are no alternatives. Sometimes when it's coming from people who are attracted to men it also feels like they are trying to desperately show off just how low their standards are
No. 1698956
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>>1698935honestly i cant really be truly judgamental of it because my favourite type of husbandos is nerds, but the twink ones… i am actually kind angry ec 4chan yumes latched onto the ugly 40yo version of bill when twink bratty bill is clearly the superior version. Old man porn is such a curse.
No. 1699092
>>1698956you lust after a character that's meant to represent the most
toxic aspects of nerd culture, you aren't any better.
No. 1699126
>>1698956>>1699118Based… I remember threads for that show on /co/ and the moids there being surprised female anons could be like this.
>>1699115Yeah i’ve seen things like Hannibal and the ugly men from Good Omens be called old man yaoi. I don’t get anon’s tinfoil, I think the term probably just naturally came from the people who liked Hannigram or whatever.
No. 1699148
I cannot get into fandoms anymore because everything is so horribly tumblrfied.
It's ugly tumblr art styles for everything, trannifying and misgendering of charcters, coomerish genderbending with cow tits and sensitive fans that act, sound and cry like toddlers despite being 28. The whole fucking uwu culture of forced innocence and people who are proud of weaknesses since they don't have any other traits, panic attacks all the time too so you can barely discuss anything without making them "uncomfortable".
"Uncomfortable". How much I fucking hate this term nowadays. It's used to silent others and force them to only like and talk about what you like, but you use baby speech doing so to come off as innocent.
I am literally witnessing mental breakdowns of people in their mid 20s because their mothers try to make them wash their dishes. For some reason everybody goes to school till they are like 35 (I guess they study or something) and living with a family they claim to be
abusive against them.
Oh yeah and the constant call-outs and bad faith mentality. Because people project their own issues into others to the point at which even a nice comment is considered
problematic.
>>1698743I can get into good old guys or at least ships with them, but posts like these are everything wrong with the world. The wording. The meme speech and bullshit content.
I don't even know what this crap is supposed to mean I am not online enough. "He is a girl" So trans or what? "A newly discovered species of water amoeba", what the fuck does that mean? Is it a joke? How? I can't stand people like this and hope they aren't talking about characters I like.
No. 1699154
>>1699126I'm pretty sure "old man yaoi" and all of the "i'm gonna fuck that old man" shit didn't come from Hannibal. It only started a few years back, and mostly got meme'd into existence via tumblr posts.
>>1698892It's Friday for me today! I just got back to my laptop, so I'm working on it now dw. Give me a bit so I can gather everything up and figure out how to format it all. I'll reply to you and other anons with the link once it's up, for sure.
>>1698555A general internet horror thread would be cool! I want to do the thread OP on Welcome Home, but I think it would be useful if the thread allowed general internet/indie horror posting. Anyone following the genre knows projects can go dead and milk can dry up in an instant. I imagine WH will go through long dry spells because the creator will push out a website update only a few times per year. I think it would be fun for everyone interested if we had a place for our heinous twitter smut/cringe tumblr blog screenshots KEK. What do you nonnas think?
No. 1699161
>>1699154> so I'm working on it now dw. Give me a bit so I can gather everything up and figure out how to format it all. I'll reply to you and other anons with the link once it's up, for sure.genuinely cant wait
nonny, everything i have seen from that fandom has been cancer incarnated, they managed to do what bronies did in 3 years in only a few months.
No. 1699164
>>1699155I genuinely wonder what's up about the art. The art is so damn bad, it's worse than DA indeed since DA shit had at least some charm and as bad as people were they at least tried to imitate the canon artstyle instead of drawing fat dumblr blobs and stupid faces.
I notice that the good artists never have pronouns in their bio, or at least nothing trans. I wonder if it's a coincidence and just my bubbles or a general trend. With so many people being trans online or trans in real life as well there should be more talented artists like them but I never met such a person so far.
No. 1699179
>>1698743Funny that the TIF called the hypothetical old man who's sad, frail, and pathetic a girl. Tranny misogyny at its finest.
>>1699148I cannot stand the term "uncomfortable/uncomfy" either. What is it even supposed to get across? I've honestly only ever seen "minors" (like 17 year olds) use it when talking to adults on Twitter about headcanons or whatever. It feels like a false grooming accusation "call out" waiting to happen. Its a very strange phenomenon, like fandom teens are chomping at the bit to accuse other fans of being pedophiles for nonsensical things like not seeing a character as "minor-coded".
>>1699154You should absolutely make the thread! There are certain ones I can't wait to talk about but don't want to sound too spergy about
No. 1699198
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'selfshippers' (aka husbandofags) infighting about racism on tumblr is a recent thing I've come across but it's so deeply entertaining.
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>>1699199Seriously though these people can't even daydream about their husbando without turning it into a race thing
No. 1699205
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>M/F ship gets popular in zoomer-infested fandom
>"omg toxic codependent yuri"
>"they're a lesbian couple lolzzz"
why do i even bother going on tumblr for fan content
No. 1699208
>>1699198Do you mean "recent" in general, or recent to you? This has been around for so long, I still get ghost pains from rolling my eyes so hard after seeing all the black activism bloggers crawl out of the woodwork to shit on selfshippers for writing Killmonger/Reader fics where the Reader didn't have black features KEK. Black Panther came out in 2018, for reference.
Most of them didn't write any fic of their own. Just bitched and flooded the tags with their complaining, and then with the callout posts/blocklists. I think I saw one girl use her posts to promote her own fic, but I felt like it was written to clout chase and get followers. It wasn't very good and she stopped very soon after the first post.
No. 1699212
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>>1699199LMAO I didn't know tumblerites were still trying to be husbando police. They're really concerned about this when people want to fuck literal monsters, aliens, and demons? At least these race obsessed people are easy to ignore.
No. 1699219
>>1699204Now here's the next question. Why did this particular
victim-complex moralfagging misogynistic tranny culture take off and spread so quickly in Tumblr/Twitter? Particularly in the late 2010's?
No. 1699222
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>>1699205>>1699179>Funny that the TIF called the hypothetical old man who's sad, frail, and pathetic a girl. Tranny misogyny at its finest. This shit has been making me so mad lately. I've noticed a recent trend of women and TIMs calling male characters twansfems or lesbians. They even do it with male characters who look hypermasculine. They call them butch he/him lesbians.
No. 1699224
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>>1699222Same anon, I notice more TIMs getting mad at women for "caring too much about yaoi" and "not writing or drawing enough femslash". That's my only guess as to why more women are doing the "HE'S A GIRL!" shit. I guess coombrained scrotes can't accuse you of hating wlw ships when you headcanon Davekat and RoyRiza as a
toxic yuri sapphic lesbian couple kek.
No. 1699226
>>1699208Seriously, if they want a [specific race] self insert, they should write it themselves. I want a mentally ill self insert with my specific cocktail of trauma, but recognize it's my responsibility to write that for myself. I wish my biggest problem in life was that people producing free fan content out of the goodness of their hearts weren't writing things specifically attuned to my personal sensibilities.
Do they understand if they attack everyone actually creating content, pretty soon no one will want to create content anymore?
No. 1699237
>>1699198>>1699199>>1699200oh my god imagine if moids were this annal about what they coom too
''nooo you cant waifu the 7 year old little girl, you pedo!''
- said no moid, ever
No. 1699247
>>1699238same, although i am biased because my husbando is underage(not shota, though) so i know i will get dogpilled whenever i post him. I really envy moids being able to have drama-free spaces without moralfagging and politics, it's unfair that even though they commit most of the crimes they get to enjoy their hobbies without being morally questioned. What broke me and made me said ''fuck it'' was this video of some moid seething for 11 minutes about the most gentle of femdom. Like, fuck it, if we cant even have gentle femdom in a sea of media for men that has constant violence against women, some even targetted at women like 50 shades, then what's the point of being so anal about what other women like? we are gonna get hated anyways. If you like yaoi then you fetishize gay men, if you like hs bishies then you are a pedo, if you like femdom you are misandrist, if you dont have a brown husbando you are racist, you are straight and therefore have no interest in seeing cuntboys? twansphobic. There is no fucking way to please these faggots. Meanwhile men rape, murder and abuse women and children all around the world and they get an endless supply of media that catters to their sick fetishes AND never get moralfagged about their fetishes even if it's something really sick. I say fuck it, let women enjoy things. I am tired of the ''two wrongs dont make a right!!!1!1'' mentality. Men shouldnt be allowed to enjoy anything until they stop raping and abusing women and children, why should women have to suffer the consequences for moids actions? fuck those faggots, revoke moid's freedom of speech and allow women to enjoy whatever the fuck they want.
No. 1699267
Okay, nonnas! Welcome Home op done and posted!
>>>/m/321680I haven't finished up adding screenshots in the thread itself, but feel free to go ham
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>>1699274Clay… Puppington?
No. 1699299
>>1699247Cathartic and based.
One of the characters I like was presumed straight for 99% of the show's run then turned gay at the last minute, now no one can put him in straight ships without being bashed for it. Meanwhile men talk about raping and murdering women and no one says a word to them. I'm tired of being a woman–I want to be a dragon and slaughter entire cities.
No. 1699334
>>1699331>People being horny over a show ruins itThis is some deviantart 'fandom abuse kills interest' tier shit.
I don't even get why people are into Clay as someone who watched the show several years ago in my teens, but I also don't get why you let that ruin a show that had long finished before any tumblr/twitter types got into it.
No. 1699337
>>1699329i feel bad for the creator, whenever these old shows that were cancelled too soon get popular with zoomers they completly misunderstand the tone, change the meaning of everything and make up retarded headcanons that make no sense. Look at what they did to clone high.
>>1699334read above. It's just sad that zoomers cant fucking enjoy anything without poisoning it with their lack of self-awareness. It doesnt feel like a genuine caring for the show, just trend hoping.
No. 1699339
>>1699337>i feel bad for the creator, whenever these old shows that were cancelled too soon get popular with zoomers they completly misunderstand the toneDude probably doesn't even know that random girls on tumblr want to fuck Clay? Legit you seem overly parasocial to give a shit what the creator thinks of the fandom for a show he finished back in 2008. Most of the shows Dino worked on post moral orel were pretty shit anyway.
>Look at what they did to clone high.I'm not a clone high fan (I found the original really unfunny) but don't most people dislike the reboot? Which was written by millennials not zoomers
In general I'm tired of people here acting like zoomers are responsible for everything ever even though most of the stuff they're complaining about are also common with millennials or directly from them.
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>>1699344>to completly misunderstand the tone of the show or moralfag about shit that's only inmmoral to their niche mentally ill hivemindOkay but you're literally just complaining about random tumblr girls getting horny for Clay Puppington, I kind of get the original post's point about how weird it is to see 17 year old girl's getting horny for men in their 40s (though I don't think it's a conspiracy thing, it's just easier for teens to project onto fictional characters as crushes) and for some reason you're like 'THE POOR CREATOR, PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO SCREW HIS CHARACTERS!' as if that hasn't been a common thing since the internet began.
This furthers why being a woman is anonying in fandom, no one gives a shit if moids want to fuck Bloberta (which yes plenty of them do).
No. 1699350
>>1699247two wrongs don't make a right though
thoughts and prayers for your mental well-being, nona
No. 1699560
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>>1699224What is this weird trend of malding over fujos and yumejos and how much art they pump out. If these people cared so much about women they would be writing and drawing everything they crave themselves, but they're just crying on twitter all day. They always say it's just expressing their opinion, but it's a stupid thing to bitch about in the first place because most fanart isn't made for anyone else but the creator
>>1699205That's been annoying me as well. It's only good if they actually genderbend the moid but they never do.
No. 1699665
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>>1699560>What is this weird trend of malding over fujos and yumejos and how much art they pump out.Actual himejos are minding their own business. The only people who complain about the lack of f/f works are male yurifags and their handmaidens.
>If these people cared so much about women they would be writing and drawing everything they crave themselvesPicrel, creating content for themselves isn't enough they want women to do it for them for free.
That's never going to happen though because fan fiction has always been predominantly written by women for women. That's why yaoifags and husbandofags make up the majority of the space. And when we do make lesbian content for ourselves, we get accused of being transphobic for not including TIMs. If they want sapphic kweer art so bad they can go back to jacking off to the countless pornified futa art of lesbians created by other men.
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>>1699678>(I'm pretty sure the mari pictured is one of the other troon orbiters?)I got jumpscared when I visited his profile. This is who I'm supposed to cater my fanfiction to? kek
I'm not familiar with Gundam at all tbh but I know G-Witch fandom is infested with troons. Sorry you have to put up with that nona.
No. 1699717
>>1699198I don't understand what this means. Bisexual
PoC? What exactly is the problem here, that others are considered racist if they agree with anti-racism posts but don't reblog their OC stuff?
If it's that then maybe because it's OCs so people have no connection to them and if it's simply not good nobody feels like reblogging.
Like do white people even get likes for that stuff? Because I barely ever see it. The only OCs people give a shit about are expressive characters from top tier artists that that act as motif of some great artworks that are good enough to makes others reblog them despite not knowing the characters. In that sense even then do the people not really care about the characters, it's all about the art.
>>1699205I see this all the time and everywhere, can anybody even explain the meaning of this? Does the word "lesbian" mean something else to these people? I literally get m/m artworks from myself reblogged and people calling it LESBIANS even though one of the guys is a huge tanky enforcer of a police state and the other dude a manipulative despot.
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>>1699665Neither the male yuri coomers nor the quirky zoomer transman lesbians would like the type of yuri I would make anyway. I like female characters and designs like pic related (they're someone's OCs, not mine).
They whine about bi- and heterosexual women drawing what they are into, but have women actually produce some yuri and they will bitch as well because it's not the coomer trash (mostly men) or super quirky uwu shit (zoomerinas and TIFs) they want.
No. 1699744
>>1699339Nta but as someone who did watch clone high both seasons, season 1 was originally a parody of shitty teenage romcom dramas and of trends of the time. Season 2 only kept parodying trends, but the romance elements became actually serious. The main characters were parodying archetypes in season 1, but season 2 made them genuine archetypes with character development and all, which isn't necessarily bad but in the context of what the show is supposed to be it kinda ruined it. The romance plots also became serious and it got unfunny and weird and started sending weird messages about relationships. It became another generic adult show, it became what it parodied as well. And for some reason it tried to paint Joan of Arc as the main character and make her likable and sympathetic, even though she's a massive pretentious pick me nlog, they only acknowledge how shitty of a person she is in the last scene of the last episode. The reason imo is because zoomers who discovered the show latched onto her and thought she was a relatable positive "big titty goth gf" representation which is something they desire to be or to have. Even though in season 1 all the characters were assholes (in a funny way) to highlight how ridiculously written characters like that in teen drama shows are. Abe was also a
victim of this, wherein season 1 he was an unrealistically oblivious love interest of the underdog girl (Joan) who is into the popular girl (Cleo) and that made people hate him and think he's an asshole for not liking Joan back, even though THAT'S THE POINT. In season 2 this was taken into consideration by making him a mega asshole who is friends with a fake sjw who hides his real beliefs behind sjwism, as well as having a crush on Joan because ofcourse, and Abe even gets canceled in one episode for using words like retard and faggot etc., even though it's out of character for him. JFK also got this treatment, because zoomers found him funny and a "cute" and "charming" himbo, his personality in season 2 got changed into exactly that, whereas in seaosn 1 he was actually a pornsick pervert who sexually assaults women verbally and physically and the popular jock archetype. There are still some good things about season 2 though and some funny stuff but it's mostly regarding secondary characters like Scudworth and Mr. B.
No. 1699755
>>1699707Lmfao this guy again. He used to be part of a small discord fandom server I was in… but got cancelled when he was outed for "accidentally" doing lewd RPs with minors. Changed his username and everything so I guess everyone forgot about it. Cancel culture applies to everyone else except for those with troon armor.
>>1699678>tweets of that one gundam the witch from mercury obsessed girl who thinks futa = yuri and her troon crewAre you talking about that benjanun person? I fucking hate her omg. And same, I also hate twitter troons for co-opting the term "himejoshi" when they're all gross males in reality. I fucking hate how my two favourite things (Gundam and yuri) are infested with nothing but misogynist males and handmaidens. Feels very lonely I cannot find another woman like me.
>>1699665>Actual himejos are minding their own business. The only people who complain about the lack of f/f works are male yurifags and their handmaidens.Yeah, spot on. It's like these moids discovered fandom for the first time and got mad that not everything is catering to them like they're used to. It's funny because those nerdy women, especially those that are into femslash, grew up in fandom and are used to having the majority of works not catering to them so they developed their skills in writing and art throughout the years, and made their own food. Meanwhile, these yurifag males and transbian troons complaining about the lack of F/F content spent all their teenage years jacking off to porn and being addicted to vidya, and now they want to kick out the women who created their own space for themselves. Typical entitled male behaviour.
No. 1699945
>>1699852Even on lolcow people love to parrot the idea that sooo many m/m fanfic writers are actually lesbians and therefore it's okay. If that's true, it's very sad because how male centric does media/fandom have to be for lesbians to not write about women instead. If it's not true (which is more likely imo), then it just shows how self flagellating and virtue signalling women are… can't even enjoy cute boys together without doing mental gymnastics to justify it.
Anyway I believe these m/m obsessed girls are bi or lesbian about as much as I believe they're asexual, as they always seem to claim in the summary of their smut fic kek. Actions speak louder than words.
No. 1700091
>>1699747I know that a lot of women like yuri but legit feel like the majority of all these very annoying recent yuri shillers that announce the era of yuri are cringe otaku and TIMs (maybe TIFs too considering their feminizing obsession).
Even the posts on 4chan sounds so obviously trannylike and the same people also mostly stick to coomer series and moe blobs instead of watching the better yuri series. They also seem to have an avid hate against fujos and 2D men which is a typical trait of otaku tards, not women.
No. 1700123
>>1700099Yeah these people feel threatened by fans that don't like the shit they like. What is even the point here anyway? That all women turn gay so that people like him can whine even more about not getting the gf hollywood movies promised him? Or do they legit believe to be women by now?
>>1700114>Any anons into media that have lesbian relationships/characters that aren’t written for and by moids? Not much, but those I know are completely ignored by them if they are older than 5 years or so and the newer stuff is only used to virtue signal like wokes are doing by getting some tard into the thread that screams LESBIANS, YURI WINNING or something, basically just cheering about owning dem fujos and hets. You won't ever see them fawning over the characters to my knowledge, they only note down the name of the series to bring it up but stick their lesbian headcanon waifus like Bocchi or whatever the newest cute girl of the month is.
No. 1700160
>>1699755>Are you talking about that benjanun person?YEA! shes speaks exclusively in nonsense and misogyny it's so irritating.
>Feels very lonely I cannot find another woman like me.I love gundam and yuri too
nonnie!! but I'm not very active on social media and Idk if it's true but I think exchanging socials is against the rules?? I still hope we cross paths one day and in the meantime I hope we both find lots of other women like us.
No. 1700216
>>1700114I walk around dynasty scans sometimes and the only mangas I end up enjoying are written by women (I never look up the author when I start reading, but if I liked it I go to the author's page/sns and 8/10 times it's by a woman).
Unafortunely I don't think a single one has a fandom per se since the other anons have said, 90% of women are staight and men only make porn. Yuri in general almost never have a fandom or become relatively well-known unless it's coom like Citrus or Dragon Maid.
No. 1700247
>>1700058I never made any remarks about my personal feelings, rather I pointed out that you thinking about the sexualities of strangers who write bad online erotica is silly.
Questioning the sexualities of people you will never meet or get full context on, in regards to their lives, is petty teenage twitterfag shit. As if being gay or bisexual is some sort of exclusive club or something with social capital and not just a convenient label to quickly describe what you're into romantically.
Mean this with all the anti BPD infight love I can muster up but… go outside
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>>1700247>Questioning the sexualities of people you will never meet or get full context on, in regards to their lives, is petty teenage twitterfag shit. As if being gay or bisexual is some sort of exclusive club or something with social capital and not just a convenient label to quickly describe what you're into romantically.Nta but good grass-touching take. A pretty rare take here too. Its rare to see posts written with some minutia of humanity thinking of the other person on the other side of the screen being some variant of a living breathing being.
No. 1700399
>>1700247nta but someone calling themselves "gay" or "kweer" while being attracted to the opposite sex is more of a teenage twitterfag thing.
>As if being gay or bisexual is some sort of exclusive club or something with social capital and not just a convenient label to quickly describe what you're into romantically. by definition it's being attracted to the same sex (or both for bisexuals). trying to make it vague is how you end up with people making up oxymoron terms like "bisexual lesbian"
No. 1700525
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>>169994590% of female fandom has and will always be straight. Cope.
No. 1700537
>>1699205What makes this even weirder is that they never care about the canon female characters and good f/f chemistries within the same show.
Like if you are a woman that is into dudes that's fine, but why the fuck would lesbians latch onto men only and pretend they were women instead?
They are either lying in order to come off as woke or they are literally trolling and trying to piss the community off.
No. 1700583
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i remember reading a fuck or die fic where the character ended up dying, and there was a completely unhinged person who wrote novel length comments about how the writer was a literal abyooser who raped and traumatized op for not tagging her fic as major character death but "creator chooses not to apply warnings" instead. like calm the fuck down, also it was pretty clear from the beginning how the story would end up, so literally just stop reading? the death scene and shit leading up to it was drawn out af too so it's not like it was some jumpscare plot twist. anyway, there were several people who wrote comments asking the writer to tag her fic with MCD and so on because she was making ao3 "unsafe" lmao. the autism and sensitivity of certain fandom people is freakish.
my question is, why do people in fandom react like this? i've never seen this much dramatics in any criticism of non-fanfic/real literature. demanding triggerwarnings and so on. but in fanfic i see it a lot.
No. 1700805
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Tumblr has done irreparable damage to western fandom, I can't believe shit like this is still spewed after an entire decade of the same tiring Milleresque bullshit. God forbid your personal hobbies aren't political (and correct at that!).
No. 1701020
>>1700658lol you're correct, it is supernatural. it's a wincest fic as well so to me the hypersensitive behaviour makes even less sense in this case.
and i agree that this attitude wouldn't hold up if they were reading actual books. i don't understand that about some fanfic readers, it's like they get angry when a writer does something original or just manages to convey any sort of emotion or thought other than retarded horniness.
No. 1701022
>>1700583"author chose not to use archive warnings" is a warning in and of itself but some people are just too retarded to get a hint.
also the narcissism in that comment. "bloo bloo your fic made ME feel xyz so you should change it" well it's not about you, cope
No. 1701038
>>1701022 Except tagging your shit with the most basic tags like major character deaths, rape, kinks, squicks, and sexualities is the least amount of work and actually helps your story get found by interested readers.
It's like tagging NSFW shit, Don't waste people's freaking time with your edgy garbage. It's that simple.
No. 1701053
>>1700658These kinds of people are completely schizo and if they could I'm sure they'd send the author a pipe bomb. I can't imagine having to deal with that as just an average fic writer who writes for fun and pleasure and for
free. Guess this is how we get to see how the next generation of NPD parents starts. Pure projection and mental illness from their part.
No. 1701054
>>1701022i agree. i also feel like, so what if an author doesn't care about his or her readers? they aren't obliged to cater to their sensitivities or make them feel good. people don't always write for the sake of others, a lot of people write for themselves and just to express their own ideas or whatever. this is also why i can't stand zoomers who whine about muh
problematic fan content or, as have been mentioned as well in this thread, fan content that's not inclusive enough, not diverse or PC enough etc. i understand when people criticize hollywood and film production companies with trillions of dollars, but random fanfic writers and artists? god forbid they would produce anything for their own sake or with a purpose that isn't making some specific disabled trans indigenous
poc queer neurodivergent 16 year old feel "safe" or something. fan content only reaches its goal audience anyway so it's not like creators in these spaces can generate any kind of meaningful political or cultural impact outside of their own hugbox even when they do devote all their work to being PC.
>>1701038then simply don't read CCNTAW, you literally only have yourself to blame kek
>>1701049it's all shipping wars, the ones who ship misha/jensen want to debunk jensen/jared and vice versa. the animosity between different ships in fandom, and the lengths people will go to to disprove or discredit other ships, is crazy to me. misha is insufferable and a disgusting creep though so idk why you'd be so horrified at his haters lol.
No. 1701057
>>1701038Tagging potential squicks/
triggers is different from character death, that one is just spoiling the whole thing if your fic is story-heavy.
Regarless of our opinion on people habe to tag their fic, I don't think any sane person should react that way if they read something they disliked kek
No. 1701061
>>1701054No I don’t like Misha either, it’s just pure delusion they have that they think they found out a super secret that the other 2 have a burning hate for him and a burning love for each other. They can’t separate their actual criticism of someone shitty from their made up fanfiction versions of real people. I don’t dismiss that the usual moid, even the super famous actor ones are shitty but if it’s coming from the mouth of a Larry Stylson tier retard I could have some doubts about the intentions, you know?
>>1701038It’s a borderline rape fic anon, if you go into it not being prepared for some edge that’s on you. I personally don’t understand why people choose not to put warnings but if I came across it, the fuck or die tag would be enough warning that things might get edgy tbh.
No. 1701072
>>1701038way to miss my point lmfao. "author chose not to use warnings" is a blanket warning that the fic could contain any of these things and you should treat it as such. if you don't want to see nsfw/rape/whatever, CCNAW is your warning not to read the fic.
>b-but it's common courtesy to tag triggerwarnings miss me with that shit. before the tumblr era all we had to go by were "boyxboy dont like dont read" and we took our chances.
if a fic has no warnings, well, no one's making you read it.
No. 1701101
>>1701072Ayrt so what you're saying is, the tag YOU like is all you need? Kek I guess I just don't find tagging shit to that be that controversial when the site is built around tagging. But I agree people going apeshit over getting
triggered is next level entitlement.
Also, the biggest issue isn't even death fics it's the constant surprise boypussi tranny fics let's be real
No. 1701104
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I hate the fact that I understand how this likely came to be
No. 1701156
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>>1701123Like picrel is just a younger man/MILF fetish. Regardless of how you feel about that fetish, it's undeniable that these women are just not willing to accept it and think it's happening between two men, and so its no wonder why they troon out en-masse.
No. 1701232
>>1701123>>1701156But why Obi Wan of all characters? I don't remember Star Wars having a lot of scenes containing milk kek
>>1701215I mean, they're right but it only applies to the industry artists that make media that's supposed to target the broader public. Fanartists and OC artists will always just draw what interests them
No. 1701334
>>1700805It's a lose lose situation. If you don't draw other ethnicities you get bashed. If you do, you get bashed anyway and accused of blackface, charicatures, racism, etc. (The Promised Neverland). These people think they're heroes but they're just bullies harassing some lonely fanartists doing drawings for free as a hobby. Why don't they put this energy towards attacking the wealthy, crooked politicians, Pakistan's Taliban, etc? And most fanartists are women, so really they're just harassing some shy young woman with a comfort character fixation. If most fanartists were men they wouldn't be talking this shit. Women are safe for them to attack. They're cowards and crybullies who want power over someone else.
They've even gone to Japanese artists' pages to harass them about diversity. The poor Japanese have never encountered this kind of retardation and don't know what to do in that situation. They probably think everyone who speaks English is mental because of this.
No. 1701434
>>1700805I fucking hate that shit too. Just make that content yourself then let others do what they enjoy, holy shit.
Also, how will bitch even tell whether I am doing something for woke points or because I consider it pretty? Bet she wouldn't be able to tell. I sometimes draw old men I like the look of because they are elegant, technically this is also done for the "esthetics". There is ALWAYS a personal preference involved in everything you do.
It doesn't help how obvious it is that such posts are always written after mrs. call out has seen some fanart on her timeline that she didn't like. Really such users need to get outside and distance from their online bubbles for once to clear their mind.
How can people like this even like based guys like Shredder?
No. 1701443
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Reposting from the art/salt thread because I find this insane.
https://files.catbox.moe/c34vl6.pdfHow did fandom ended up like this? Another anon said the ranfren TIF artist also got a manifesto call-out doc, but it was deleted.
No. 1701453
>>1701443>How did fandom ended up like this?Unironically social media and sheltered upbringing IMO. Socmedia are platforms for self-representation, so "YOU" are the center of that place. You make posts and others can only reply to it, it's never an equal dialogue, it's YOU, the content producer, and your fans, basically.
Sheltered upbringing is similar as in you being the center of your family and the universe itself, you can only do and watch shit that the parents consider to be made for you and you realize this. Combine this with the modern way of upbringing in which parents constantly tell their kids that they are the best, that they can do everything, that they are better than everybody else. This is the issue.
These people do not understand the concept of pluralism and society. To them you don't just write a fic, or write it for yourself or the people that like it, you write it for THEM/this person specifically, so they feel entitled to bash you for it as if they were the commissioner and you the writer/artist that didn't fulfill the the demand they had paid for.
These people literally don't get that they aren't the target audience for some things. The IDpol shit doesn't help because it made them associate themselves with every label in existence to feel special.
They are all autistic, trans-lesbian genderqueer, disabled, kinky, quirky, traumatized, bipolar ADHD-ridden veteran unicorns with 14 ethnicities because sharing 1% of the genes of another culture or having a single ancestor from Ireland makes you part of their cultures. Same people that attribute every culture to themselves are also the same people that whine about cultural appropriation, because it's only allowed for them.
No. 1701464
>>1700819>>1700862Finally people that say this. I feel like in some bizarro world because even on image boards do I see almost every fujo talking about being lesbian in real life. I have no issue with this but a hard time imagining that literally every single fujo besides me and two others maybe is lesbians and only resorting to fujo shit because there are not enough(?) good yuri pairings or whatever (if anything it's the opposite since sausagefests are 6000% more rare than girl only anime).
Fujo discords are flooded with yuirfication of m/m ships too because everybody is lesbian and somehow feels the need to hijack a rare series with men to turn all of them into women or trannies.
I am not sure if het fans have the same issue but I wouldn't wonder if it happened there as well that fans genderbent or troonified the male character.
No. 1701589
>>1701101"creator chose not to use warnings " is not MY fave tag, it's a default tag built into ao3's warning system.
as in when you upload a work, the site forces you to choose a type of warning and it's one of the options. there's specific warnings (noncon, death etc), "no warnings apply", or "chose not to use warnings". that's why it functions as a blanket warning.
i don't have a tag i like personally because they're not somthing to get invvested in imo, just a convenient system to filter stuff. the whole grandstanding about "don't post x in y tag!" "you didn't tag z properly!!!" is retarded. they're for ease of browsing, not a moral issue.
i agree that surprise troonshit is incredibly annoying. but i'm a geezer hailing from an era where you onlmy had ffnet's twwo line summaries. you ended up hhiting the back button a lot but thatwas a giiiven.
It's good that tags allow us tto filter shit out but i feel it's made people way less tolerant wwhen they come across something they don't want to read.
No. 1701601
>>1701464I'll admit that I like to imagine some of my m/m ships as f/f because those specific dynamics are rare, but most of the time when that is translated to fic form the characters suffer as they are hit with the yurification beam. I can't speak on whatever goes on in discord but on ao3 I'm always left disappointed by genderswapped fics because the characters just become 'uwu uguu useless lesbians' at best or trannies at worst. If I'm able to find the authors social media they are 9/10 some sort of gender special troon fucker allergic to pussy anyway.
>>1701577 Anon the people writing about tranny shit and cuntboys are the same people at different stages in their journey of porn addiction and troondom. I get why some anons are so defensive about it being different somehow because the implications but at some point they will either cross the tranny event horizon or get help for their porn addiction.
No. 1701605
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>>1701422I just like seeing my ships have lovechildren.
No. 1701618
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>>1701608Ive definitely noticed that the more 'mature' something is the higher likelihood it's fandom will have a high population of terfs or GC women. The Tolkien fandom definitely has pockets of women who don't prescribe to gender bullshit. Live action TV shows also tend to skew more towards a normie woman audience so their fandoms tend to be more hospitable then anime fandoms.
No. 1701650
>>1701608I don't know but I've been cryptoterfing for so long and taking commissions and making art and participating in fandom etc that I start wondering how many cryptos are actually just in deep stealth in fandoms. It doesn't take much to fool troons and have them take you in which is why some sit years and years and never get uncovered… but sometimes like my little crypto radar goes off. Ah, you're definitely putting pronouns in your bio so that you don't get set on fire but you don't care about tranny shit and only do the bare minimum to keep the pitchforks off. based
>>1700805why should I give a shit if someone doesn't see themselves in my art? I literally have ethnic features and feature them prominently in my art (the key reason is because i want to, not because anyone is twisting my arm to do it) so there's no excuse of "uhhh well you just don't know how to draw nonwhite features!", cope. And most of all I draw for myself and people liking my art enough to buy from me is just a bonus.
No. 1701754
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>>1701749I personally wish women made more disturbing content of males exclusively, I don't care if its fetish shit; anything that evens the playing field is fine with me. However I can't make heads or tails of what "cuntboy" shit is or what its trying to achieve. Is it actually biological males being raped or not? I think exploring the idea of males gestating is fucking hilarious but its clear that treating males like women is not a simple projection of the horror of pregnancy as something divorced from real life gestation like the face hugging aliens from Aliens for example. The squick of parasitism and biological body horror is interesting but the misogyny in this is dime a dozen and commonly found in most media.
>and the facade that these are actually women's issues and personalities being explored has never been so paper thinThere is a literal genre of storytelling/film genre called "Rape and Revenge" that is commonly touted as "feminist". Artists, (including and especially women) frequently put horrible SA shit in their work that is claimed as "exploring issues and trauma" when its all really just elaborate theatrical torture porn, and sometimes in many cases; actual porn. What difference is this omegafag shit other than it being a niche autist thing confined by the internet?
No. 1701811
>>1701443>>1701682>Unfortunately the bulk of this is shit flinging of women against other women as per female socialization. Agreed. The even sadder part is whoever does confront pedophile men with evidence gets harassed, sent death threats/threatened with extortion. The same fans who harass women over some dumb crackship for being "
problematic" often side with pedophile men who shit out low quality art that's likely traced over csem they coerced out of the minors they groom on Discord. There are men in fandoms who groom minors, trace over their selfies to create shitty loli porn, but sure women who stick strictly to fiction and write 1 angsty fic of their rarepair are the real pedophiles. "Callout culture" in fandom spaces is mainly a misogyny problem and only negatively impacts women.
No. 1701863
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i dont understand why anime or manga fans think this is a own? like the artist is still drawing oversexualized art? does it matter if its a woman? or is this empowering again?
No. 1701918
>>1701876>would bring up that the author of that one popular loli anime was a womanBleak. Imagine living your life as a female child once possibly being traumatised yourself by old predatory scrotes, only to make child pornography of female children for old predatory scrotes. Bleakly clownish.
>>1701863>does it matter if its a woman?No, and even the moids in picrel know that to some extent, an inkling of their reptile brain tells them so. Though it is a little anomalous and therefore a novelty when a woman participates in an artistic concerted effort to dehumanize herself and other women; it's rare for a reason. I imagine this was more commonplace in history before women had individual autonomy over their bodies and rights in order to survive and thrive by throwing the entire female sex under the bus and seeing other women as nothing more than competition for resources. Masochistic misognistic coomer shit is still coomer shit, it doesn't become mystically feminist because a woman made it, only males think in binaries like this. It doesn't matter if it comes from a woman or man be they mentally ill or otherwise completely sane and functional. The reasons and motivations are always going to be in alignment with capitalism to an extent, the same capitalism that profits from child pedofilia being normalised, human trafficking being encouraged and women degrading and humiliating themselves on camera for money. So of course they're ideals more than often are going to align with pedofiles, and depraved male ones by no accident. The more cutthroat a society is to it's female population the more pickme-like and willing to throw others under the bus I'd expect the population to turn out. Though South Korea seems to be good with 4B but South Korean women basically are forced to breaking point with the amount of shit they have to put up with from their scrote politicians, bosses, family members and peers.
No. 1701938
>>1701931Can we just say that moids want to impregnate women not to create a child to love and care for, but to humiliate and inflict pain and damage upon the woman, to ruin her life and body and make a permanent attachment between him and her so she can never escape him no matter how
abusive he becomes? It's not about loving children and wanting to be a father. It's about wanting to see a woman ruin herself at his command. Men view pregnancy as a humiliation and punishment. The word 'sadist' doesn't go far enough to cover it. Slave owners treated their slaves better than men treat women.
Any woman who voluntarily endures pregnancy is insane.
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>>1701863i honestly wouldnt mind this shit if there was a male equivalent. Like a cute fit dude or twink drawing female-gaze art, but men would rather die than ever try to appeal to the female-gaze because they think it's gay. My opinion with male gaze art is that i wouldn't mind it if there was an equal amount of female gaze art, but the world seems against women cosifying men unless it's in a ''choke me daddy'' way.
No. 1702039
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>>1701948Isn’t that just Himaruya
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>>1702043I think nowadays the term ‘trap’ to trannies is like a direct insult because I guess it implies the anime characters are trapping/tricking people with their cock
Just ignore that troons are obsessed with trap characters I guess
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>>1701752No, Nona, it’s about what moids PERCIEVE womanhood to be. I’m confident in my own womanhood. I find womanhood to mean the community, understanding and connection between fellow women on the basis of our shared experiences, whether that be positive or negative. It’s the moid who perceives us as weak, feeble game to be hunted down and preyed upon, and so relishes in their own flawed vision of women. That’s why it’s so cathartic for me to poke that bubble and let it collapse inwards. Let them experience the faux ‘womanhood’ they believe in so strongly, that they get off on each and every day by leering at and harassing us, thinking that their actions will define anything about who we are. Let it collapse, and let them experience their own making to the fullest. Because there’s nothing a man fears more than his OWN design of womanhood.
No. 1702466
>>1701931Again. You’re only one step of thinking behind my point above.
>>1701938Still covered by my point.
No. 1702540
>>1702463Same thing happens when a work has alien species that are extremely humanoid. If this species looks exactly like humans but they have elf ears I guess that’s a good enough of a reason to take more liberties with genitalia to some writers. I laughed really hard seeing the AO3 tag “Stewjoni Produce Both Ova and Sperm (Star Wars)” for the first time because the name for the planet Stewjon jokingly comes from Jon Stewart, and the Star Wars girlies are making their hermaphrodite fetish headcanons off of it is something I wouldn’t imagine in a million years kek.
I’ve read some of those magic vagina works too but the authors other work involved tranny shit or something like turning a male character in a tradwife. It’s like 50/50 if the writer gives the male characters a vagina for strictly sci fi bullshit porn reasons or because of tranny self inserting shit.
No. 1702567
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I know this is a joke and I did kek a little but at what point will fandom acknowledge how unwilling they are to prop up actual lesbian ships instead of self inserting everything from men to… wheat fields??? Btw this isn’t about the yaoi fujos versus yuri lesbian fans beef I’m talking about how even lesbian fans are avoiding real lesbian ships for some reason this trend is odd and I am very confused
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Based comic.
No. 1702606
>>1702586“You like Y thing? Then you must
hate X thing!” —fandom tards since the beginning of time
No. 1702841
>>1702839No. Nobody here cares about which two boys twitterfags prefer to see or not see fucking.
Problematic anti proship bullshit is obnoxious on a good day. Don't try to bait a debate about it here.
No. 1702923
>>1702839Unironically, some people are so ass deep into internet drama, they force themselves to like
problematic ships for the sake of being
problematic. I've seen so many proshippers jump to ship something just because someone called it weird
No. 1703117
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>>1702951I wonder why we don't have a dojin community like in Japan. I envy Japanese fandoms so much, you could have an extremely autistic and niche interest like Phineas and Ferb, and you are bound to have a dedicated, small and talented fandom that makes good fanart, dojins and even community fanprojects like anthologies.
No. 1703122
>>1703117Because the woke west is a disease. I dunno where you are from, but in America, we cant have anything because people here are obsessed with being exclusive, which is code for including faggots, gendies and trannies. Women in Japan have their own events all the time. I follow a group which debuted in Japan and they have so many offline and cafe events for them. We could never do that shit here. It's so frustrating
Women can freely ship their BL husbandos, but in America, they'd agree about the character being a tranny or some other bs.
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>>1703123same, i love how specific it is. It shows it's a genuine passion project, reminds me of the weird angry bieversxOC horror doujin. I love this stuff.
No. 1703128
>>1703117Part of it is the ease and cost of small press printing and shipping in Japan. Compared to the west it's cheap to buy a run of high-quality doujinshi and a few dozen keychains, stickers or other small merch without having to crowdfund for it. Japanese printing companies also mind their own business, so getting narked on for "obscene" content is virtually unheard of. Most doujin artists can hope to make a small profit or at least break even on the cost of printing and the booth. Thousands of doujinshi conventions are hosted each year and many of them focus on specific genres like BL, ryona, or otakubait shit like Touhou and Kancolle. Cons showcase all doujin media but art and comics are the biggest draw.
Doujinshi culture is also more accepted than Western zine or comic culture. A lot of professional mangakas get their start making doujin solo or in circles so it's not seen as underground or culturally avant-garde. Several of this generation's biggest published authors are former fanfic writers, yet the hobby is still seen as cringy and juvenile.
Also, this is my little tinfoil but I also think doujin culture can't really take off here because Western, especially American, artists are too precious about their work. Even good-quality doujinshi is treated almost as ephemera by the artists in Japan. It's not meant to stick around forever and represent something more than self-indulgent fun. It's made for fans by fans, enjoyed, and then moved on from. Fandom doujinshi exists in a legal grey area so most artists wouldn't want their work to spread too far and potentially get them in trouble. Some JP artists would rather see their work deleted and forgotten about than translated and spread all over the internet, even if it meant profit for them. Western fandomers are too prone to political wank and virtue signaling to let anything they create fade peacefully. Most online Western fandoms can't even pull together a 50-page fanart zine without devolving into retarded personal drama. It isn't to say that all Japanese fandoms are perfect little hives where everyone is rational and chill. It's just a fact that their collectivist culture and manga industry is better at fostering doujin communities better than the individualistic, attention focused West.
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>>1703122I think outside of this, most western artists dont seem that passionated about what they write/draw. So many western artists just draw for a monthly patreon paycheck at best and virtual signalling at worst, and while i am glad artists are allowed to earn money off their art, i feel this pushes artists to draw popular stuff instead of their own interests. I genuinely love how passionated Japanese artists are, specially westaboos. Most westaboo dojins are of media that has virtually 0 fandom in the west, and you can tell the artist is drawing for themselves first. I seriously cant believe there are 2 R18 dojins of the fucking balloon from Gumball.
Here is a compilation just from lurking alice books for 30 mins, most of these dojins are based on stuff with 0 fandom, yet you can tell are done with love. I wonder if the cartoon fandom as a whole is very supportive in Japan, and that's why artists can shit out boss baby dojins of all things. I find it fascinating.
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>>1703146KEK I refuse to believe some of these aren't shitposts
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>>1703151yeah, i wonder why?. It's the reason why i have a westaboo specific folder for art of cartoons drawn by Japanese artists. They also get obssesed with the most obscure of things, like this fujo who really likes Song of the south. There is also a massive fandom for the three caballeros.
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>>1703153I think Japanese people are genuinely incapable of Irony. It's the only explanation as to why they can draw husbando art of randall from monster inc for years without stopping. I love them, i wish i wasnt irony poisoned.
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>>1702839>AbusiveAnime boy beatdowns hit different.
>IncestWe already discussed this it's the forbidden fruit
>age gapsOtome
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>>1702578>>1702581Plot twist: their husbando is Adachi
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>>1702039unrelated but why is male ryona in the western community referred to as "whump"? It's the least sexy term ever and it's always the most cringe fandom mom 30 year old MCU women writing about it in the most infantilized and twee way possible. I'm just trying to jerk off to men getting beat up, what the fuck is this shit?
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>>1703176He better be sorry
>>1703198>whumpWhat this is the first time I’ve ever heard this term. I prefer the pixiv tag of “men in pain” kek
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>>1703238>maledom is retaded thoughMost of the hetships I like have male yanderes or just generally psychotic males so I can't really relate.
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>>1703241>He better be sorryChances are he actually isn't.
>>1703246It's a fate I've accepted.
No. 1703267
>>1703257I don't have BPD but my taste in ships and my husbando makes it seem like I do (pic is not my husbando btw)
>>1703259Closest I can think to that is Shion to Satoshi in Higurashi
No. 1703270
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>>1703269What's wrong with Adayu?
No. 1703292
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There's currently mini drama in the BG3 fandom
>Baudelaire Welch 24 year old they/them from rich family hired by the studio when she was just 20
>she joins a fan discord and keeps talking, fueling fanfic ideas and enjoying the popularity
>she mentions crunch in several of her posts (pic not related)
>as the game gets more popular, her posts get shared on reddit
>mods of the fan discord go full damage control and lock the channels she posted in, she goes radio silent
This is why writers touch grass and don't involve themselves with fan discords
No. 1703337
>>1703270NTA but your posting reminded me one of my sister's friends got a giant Adachi's face tattooed all over her thigh kek
She has a boyfriend, I wonder what's like touching her while there's an Adachi staring at you, sounds unnerving
No. 1703367
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Pro shippers and anti shippers are just each other's divine retribution, like it sucks for anyone else that happens to be in the same space as them, but they deserve each other . Who the fuck cares about shipping in the general sense? I can only give a fuck about them if I've consumed the media they are from or if I'm in the fandom somehow. Why would anyone care about incest ships in general? Like I guess I would send people who make NSFW incest fanart of Loud House to the gulag if I had the power, but how is that similar to some ship that doesn't come from a little kid's cartoon and might even have unertones or explicit incest in it? Then we end up with people grouping small age gap ships with textbook examples of pedophilia and what's the point
>Oh so you are pick and choosing when it is fine to represent perverted taboo shit?
Yes and so is anyone who doesn't suffer from profund lack of reading comprehesion.
No. 1703401
>>1703198I don't read whump as sexual, it's mostly cathartic. My fandom loves writing oodles of whump. Whumptober is also a thing so we'll be getting more soon.
>>1703202nurturing is hurt/comfort. whump is hurt no comfort.
No. 1703430
>>1703117Two reasons I can think of off the top of my head.
1) Westerners don't have as strong of an affinity for physical media as the Japanese do. If they can get something as a digital copy over a physical one, then they will.
2) Copyright hounds being very strong and "caring" over here. You just know that if the doujin scene ever got popular over here, then Disney and other similar corpos would be all over it like a fat kid in a candy store.
No. 1703480
>>1703337That’s cringy as hell honestly kek
Is it just like the default sprite of Adachi?
No. 1703494
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>>1703480saw this post on /ot/ and I'm retarded so I had almost forgot about Persona 4 so I thought you meant this Adachi. imagine
No. 1703509
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>>1703480Yeah, the headshot of his smiling sprite. My sister showed me the pic of it because she doesn't know anything about persona and was confused about it. The disbelief I felt when I saw it kek
No. 1703519
>>1703509Keeeek
I don’t know what level you have to be at to get an anime incel tattoo’d, but it’s certainly a higher one than me.
No. 1703531
>>1703128I think you're correct on pretty much all points, but I'd like to add general culture too. I don't mean anything deep, but more in the sense that there's obviously going to be a lot more resources and information on how to make your self indulgent doujinshi in Japan. Not to forget, growing up around it. That's how you end up with 16 year olds having published manga.
>>1703146Part of what you're pointing at is a simple difference in reality of work for a western vs a Japanese artist. So many of the Japanese artists I follow do work for mobile games, illustrations for events, and everything in between. If you draw that type of style but are American and don't speak Japanese, you're not getting any of those kind of jobs. So instead to make money you draw the flavor of the month on Patreon. At the end of the day, both western and Japanese artists need to make money somehow after all.
No. 1703538
>>1703292This is what half the anons itt sound like to me kek
>>1703517BG3 was artificially bred to appeal to every woman with a tumblr account in the world. But everytime I see fanart, they somehow manage to anime-ify the characters and turn them into generic twinks. Mostly talking about Astarion, because he's the only one I see all the time.
No. 1703548
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It be like that
No. 1703574
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>>1703542No, the issue is that Xander is the MC's adoptive big brother
because his father kidnapped the MC as a small child and treated her as a political hostage in some sort of medieval fantasy cold war with another country, and Xander is the only sibling from his family who knew all along and couldn't do shit about it and Ryoma is the MC's step-brother
who also knew all along because he was old enough to remember when the MC's mother met his father and when they got married, but he hides it on purpose to make the MC think they're really related so she HAS to join his side. Keep in mind that Ryoma and the MC weren't raised together and the MC has amnesia from getting kidnapped after seeing her step-father getting shot and beheaded as a small child. It's complicated out of context but basically the whole thing was that "ex so you support incest?" and "ew these men are
problematic because they kill people (during a war) and say slightly inappropriate things to the MC in that one very specific part of the game that you can easily miss and that was removed from the Western versions of the game" was thrown at a bunch of women who played the game and married either of these guys or Takumi or Leo, who are a bit younger. But all the characters I listed are adults. God forbid you want to date this character because you think he's hot and interesting or because you want another to have specific stats and skills when you unlock him.
No. 1703713
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Why can't people just accept that the vast majority of women are gonna like the obvious fujo/yumebait character best.
No. 1704064
>>1703955nta but I agree. I more publically talk about how I don't like proshippers, but in actuality they would probably consider me one of their own. I just can't get into dedicating years of your life to internet discourse.
>>1704028You're so right, it's so annoying. Even more so, I hate when people just hate on female characters who aren't absolutely 100% good or on the side of the popular male characters. I've felt this in arcane and house of the dragon, and so many anime I can hardly count. Bonus points if they hate her but are okay with an even more evil man just because they find him hot/ship him with somebody else
No. 1704281
>>1704107if you have ublock original, put these in the filters
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www.tumblr.com##.FLoBV.YOf31
No. 1704333
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>>1702578>>1701156Mind you, this is what the average fujoshi would be like if they actually stopped pretending. i.e the most insufferable heterosexual women imaginable (which they objectively already are). So, I say let them keep their sad delusions.
No. 1704479
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>>1704462I think you have to click the gears & copy-paste the code in the text box that opens after.
No. 1704487
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>>1704472Nta but I agree. I like to think of my faves in different situations and dynamics. It's really not that serious, or at least to me it isn't. Even if you're not a fujo you still get cucked by the reality of never getting to fuck your husbando because he isn't real(duh).
No. 1704498
>>1704466But I'm not ashamed at two men fucking one another?
Nonnie, I'm not a yume
No. 1704517
>>1704515i'm not a genshin fan nor even a video game player but those designs are anything but plain kek but maybe you mean they're so crazy overdesigned that they register as plain. there's way too much going on there
>>1704511totally agreed
No. 1704568
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>>1704547>>1704515I think they're company just can't design characters in general, because what the fuck is this
No. 1704569
>>1701464I have some weird anecdotal evidence in regards to why so many fangirls claiming to be queer might be into slash.
I myself am bi not lesbian, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've noticed that I've lost my taste for slashfic over the past couple of years.
When I was younger and still a virgin, I read a lot of slashfic because that's what everything in fandom was. Everything that was written by women for a woman's tastes, at least. If you wanted a specific plot or kink or dynamic, there was a slash ship for it - but not necessarily other kinds. And when I read it I found it sexy, because I didn't have any actual experience with sex.
But ever since I got into a relationship and started having sex myself, I just…really don't find slashfic inherently appealing anymore. Like, there are a couple of ships I still like because of the characters, but when I'm looking for stories that are sexy I look for f/f or f/m now. Like I really want at least one woman involved, and I want to see her have pleasure.
(Also, slash generally involves anal sex, and I can't find that appealing anymore either lol)
The vast majority of fic is going to be focused on men, because the vast majority of authors are women who like men. But I'm not going to be skeptical of every young fangirl who's into m/m because she just might be going along with the flow.
There's also older married women who are still super into slash, and while I personally don't understand that anymore I think they're just straight lol. They're generally not the ones claiming to be gay or bi though.
No. 1704586
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>>1704331Hugely ot and nta but through one of her reblogs I'm now reading up on insane Booktok drama, picrel
No. 1704606
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>>1704511Genshin is the worst thing to occur to the internet since twitter was invented.
No. 1704907
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most embarrassing behavior. also censored this girl's username because shes just a rando and i dont want this to seem like a vendetta post
No. 1704915
>>1704827starting to wonder if being in a relationship shifts opinions. I'm similar to
>>1704569 except it wasn't for slash fics but unhealthy het ships.
No. 1704932
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>>1704515i have always wanted to play genshin because i find its male characters sex, but also i am tummy/midriff sperg and no other anime is willing to give me fanservice
No. 1705046
>>1705035i don't play the game so i don't know the age, he's just a generic anime twink to me.
>>1705036i just think they are cute, what's wrong with it?
>>1705038everytime someone complains about some other woman's choose in husbando material they always have the ugliest mf husbando tastes themselves. i remember getting called out a pedo for drawing generic animu twinks before and when i checked that person's
tw it was a she/they who sperged about old man yaoi and dadbods. another freak that also jumped to attack me was openly and proud into old gross men. from personal experience i just know they have awful taste, which is fine, but it's annoying when they shit on other women's tastes. imagine if moids cared this much.
No. 1705055
>>1705053why dont you just ignore it then? anons sperg about finding cuntboy shit hot and liking
abusive husbandos itt
No. 1705070
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>>1705065it's not a child, will never be child, and i will never fall for ugly old man propaganda. He's a generic ass anime twink with a nice midriff(he even has pecs too) i have seen so many female artists shift from drawing cute men in the late 00s/2010s to drawing ugly old men, and on top of that having the audacity to harass pretty boy artists, i am convinced its propaganda perpetuated by men and pickmes, just like how they memed women into bdsm now they want to meme them into old man yaoi and shit. Diaperchangers and roided pig freak propaganda will never get to me. I will never take the opinion of users of a board with not one, but TWO generals for ugly af men, there were even some anons discussing finding some old decrepit corpse looking moid hot before.
No. 1705088
>>1705070Based. Some people unironically come here like
>"Umm the character you like resembles, like, a child to me, can you like….not??? Makes me really uncomfortable????"Like they're not a complete stranger to you. Nah, go talk to your dad about his porn habits, Gretchen.
No. 1705109
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>>1705088i genuinely dont understand how they see it as a child. He has average moeshit proportions, no one would call yui or miho lolis. I am so tired of every male character that isnt 10 heads tall with wide shoulders and super buff being called a shota or child, and i fucking despise the blorbofication of male characters ''no you cant find this obviously yume bait character from the coomer bait franchise hot he's such a a wholesome chungus blorbo child goblin!!!'' fuck off he literally has a midriff window and exposed pecs
No. 1705170
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>>1705133if you like ugly old moids and fat moids with beer bellies you are a pickme, and there is nothing wrong with that, but they are always the ones sperging and judging others while their taste is not only abysmal but also an adquired taste from being bombarded by ugly scrotes in media, literal brainwashing by scrotes too afraid(and jealous) to draw and/or cast cute men in media. Or do you genuinely think women are born masochists into dominant men/ugly old scrotes and not brainwashed to find
abusive and old males attractive? if you like old/fat men i am sorry but you have been brainwashed, least you can do is not be a pest to the women who were lucky enough not to and can appreaciate cute male characters.
No. 1705172
>>1705109>He has average moeshit proportions, no one would call yui or miho lolisThey're young women dumbass, moe proportions are usually seen on female or younger characters like
kids. No adult
man looks like this shota you're posting about
No. 1705179
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>>1705172no woman has 5 head proportion retard, those are toddler proportions irl but we are talking about anime with big heads and bug eyes exagerated to look cuter aka moeshit. no moid looks like an anime twink, it's an insult to superior 2D men to compare them to gross pigs.
No. 1705199
>>1705109>no one would call yui or miho lolisUhhhhh…
Sorry you can't even see how fucked up your perspective is because you consoom too much animu garbage. basically the whole industry is pedos drawing their horny cartoon fantasies and selling it to horny teenagers and other pedos.
No. 1705211
>>1705204yui has never been a loli what the fuck are you on about
>>1705205i draw my men with moe proportions, seethe
>>1705207do you think free and haikyu is pedoshit too?
>>1705209i dont read celebricows or use twitter behind just liking art of japanese artists so no, i didnt see it anywhere
>>1705210you forgot the hair too, modern man past 18 are already balding and fat so i guess that makes me a pedo too
No. 1705214
>>1705207This. An "adult man" with kiddie, lil schoolgirl proportions wtf?
>>1705210I also noticed that, weebs are just gross
No. 1705219
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>>1705213i am 22, i am glad i havent lost to the ugly man propaganda then. i cannot imagine being 22 and feeling you are too old for cute anime bishies when 3DPD my age are still oogling and dating 16-17 yo girls. this gonna be me when i am 50 while you are going to be crying while changing the shitty diapers of your geriatric husband
No. 1705220
>>1705210Today,
nonny saved the 18 year old male children by having a meltdown about ottermode manlets from weebshit games wearing shorts and having band-aids on their noses.
Literally the only thing about that character that can even remotely be read as "child" in good faith is the head size, but that's just anime style shite, he still has defined muscle/body tone (unlike the anime girls the OP compared him to) and I've never seen anons here seethe this hard over other anons liking or waifufagging random anime girls. It's just a limitation you place on women regarding 2D males. Why? You know a young adult male can still be short and slender, right? Have Americans and some other countries forgotten that because of the obesity crisis? Don't you guys have Timothee Chalamet, or is he considered a child and Kylie Jenner a pedophile? It's tiring.
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>>1705211>do you think free and haikyu is pedoshit too?At least these guys look 16+, your boy looks barely 13
No. 1705232
>>1705222no, there is a difference between a hot fit male and a roided freak.
>>1705225literally just moving the goalpoast kek, imagine if moids did this amount of mental gymnastics when another moids says he finds nozomi from love live attractive or something
No. 1705243
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>>1705235''roided moid'' is just a meme, don't take it seriously, most people use it for women who dislike anime twinks because they think they are children and overcompensate by liking overly masculine characters, like that bara avatarfag
>>1705234he isnt even my husbando nor a shota i just used him as an example because i liked the detail of the exposed tummy. It's annoying how anons will jump and call everyone a pedo for it when he isnt even shotashit. I have never played genshin but from what i have seen the guy i posted is the super basic new player character and judging by the steampunk aesthetic i assume this is his female counterpart, which literally no one would call loli
No. 1705246
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>>1705230NTA but to be fair everything drawn fictional characters have is their looks and personality, their age is all made up, that's how we end up with 5000yo lolis and 13yo who look 30.
If they don't look or act like children, I don't see the problem, they're just pixels someone made up and don't have mental maturity or anything like actual humans have. I wouldn't think someone is a pedophile if they're into Jojo characters for explample, even if technically they're highschoolers (as fair I know)
No. 1705248
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>>1705244way to take my posts out of context. He isnt even a shota anyways but for nonnies every character that isnt geriatric or a roided pig is a shota, what can i expect from the board that derrails threads and insists women liking 18-20yo grown ass MEN is pedophilia.
No. 1705249
>>1705233>>1705230She was the one that brought up these series as example of why her tastes are okay when in fact they're more aggravating, I'm not even a weeb and I'm not condoning either side (ephebophiles or pedophiles) but that boy looks way too young, even the haikyuu guys look older and they're not even adults yet
>>1705221>rape apes don't care, why should i care?Men not caring is
a problem, you aren't supposed to
copy their behavior
No. 1705250
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>>1705248also genderbending male characters is the easiest way to figure out if a character is loli/shota or if it's just your pickme retardation getting in the way, i dare anyone to call this lolibait
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>>1705248>insists women liking 18-20yo grown ass MEN is pedophiliaEvery source is citing
>>1704932as being 16 years old
max, you ain't slick
No. 1705258
>>1705249>Men not caring is a problem, you aren't supposed to copy their behaviorkek who cares about being better than men, for god's sake we are getting bdsm ddlg shit pushed down our throat i will take generic animu twink any day over that
>>1705254by that mentality you cant find the 99% of anime characters attractive, but hey accordig to
>>1705225it's totes oke because he's 16 kek
No. 1705270
>>1705258>kek who cares about being better than menYou're deranged
>it's totes oke because he's 16 kekI already said I don't condone any side, liking 16yo teenagers or 13yo tweens, but that doesn't make your tastes less aggravating, you're still very wrong
No. 1705314
>>1705298>Nonetheless, they do remain widely popular, but only to those lolishota male weebsthat's not true, they somehow make excuses and believe they are totes wholesome anime, specially with dragon maid. I have seen more zoomers attacking kanna cosplayers for ''lewding'' the character than them actually attacking the original source material. Also there was recently a controversy because they released a loli bunnysuit figure of kanna, and all the zoomies were crying about how that's so vile and wanting to cancel the fucking figure manufacturer for ''lewding'' kanna, when the original source is OBVIOUS lolishit.
>shadman is cancelledkek no he isnt, he only stopped uploading because he became a druggie, when he was collabing with oney everyone was aware of his pedoshit, genuinely no one has cancelled him and if he ever decides to come back he will keep his loyal fanbase of paypiggies and ethots
No. 1705318
>>1705314>caring about zoomer opinionsThat's your main problem. You need to start surrounding yourself with some mature people who aren't so obsessed with internet drama. I don't know what internet people you hang around, but they don't sound like adults.
>his loyal fanbase of paypiggies and ethotsGive up on those people, no normal person is going to be a shadman fan. But, again, he has been called out before. Look him up on kiwifarms or something, they've got all his drama tracked.
>>1705315Because genshin is shit.
No. 1705327
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>>1705313Now that you’ve created a perfect segue nona, allow me to present my tinfoil hat theory. Why the fuck is it that teenage looking anime girls are widely accepted as the standard, cookie cutter ‘waifu’ for men, but anime boys who look the exact same age are considered degenerate ’shotacon’ for women? Lolis look like actual 5-10 year old children, but shotas look like 12-17 year old teens, and yet they’re somehow seen as equally immoral. The double standard is ridiculous and I’m tired of it. It just boils down to the same thing as the anti vs proship debate; men get away with referencing lolicon from literal CP, and women are cancelled, harrassed and doxxed for drawing a lewd shounen teenage-ish character. (Picrel: the girl on the left is one of the most popular genshin waifus, whereas the guy on the right will get you obliterated off the internet by TIF fandom police because we’re not QUITE sure whether he’s 18 despite drinking alcohol in canon, AKA ‘KILL YOURSELF SHOTACON’). It all just boils down to deep rooted religious slash conservative expectations that women should always remain at least one degree more ‘pure’ than men in all aspects. Well, fuck you.
No. 1705331
>>1705328>momokun>kanna>whole internetThe whole internet are not just anime fans, nonna.
>>1705327Genshin fans will really sperge about anything
No. 1705333
>>1704915My hypothesis about this is because usually people who are into shipping and fanfiction are so because thdy want to explore romance and sex from a save distance and find a way to indulge in it, because they want it irl but can't experience it. So fiction is the best venue for this. Once they get in a romantic and/or sexual relationship that has exactly what they were looking for in fiction, they drop the fiction because they have the real thing now. But if the relationship isn't satisfying enough they'll still seek the fiction. I personally like BL and GL stuff, can't care for straight stuff though despite being bi. I like the romance and tropes in fictional stuff because it's idealized and just "perfect", the way I want it. Irl romance and relationships are horrible and harmful more so than good and beneficial imo, so I avoid them like the plague and I'll never get into one. I'll just get my needs from fiction instead because the real thing has too much consequences I don't want to deal with that don't exist in my favorite fictional romances. (Pregnancy, living with someone else who might endanger me or just get on my nerves, sharing my money with someone else, the emotional side because I'm too selfish and individualistic and cold to care about someone else genuinely lol, I don't feel lonely so I don't actually need relationships etc.) But in fictional romance that kind of stuff is written in a way thag makes it work or it's just ignored so it doesn't make me cringe. The characters are always equals in my favorite ships and stories so there's nothing to worry about, all these things are out of the way so they can focus on actually loving each other. They also are written in ways where they get to know each other on a deep level, such as being best friends, childhood friends, teammates who go through struggles together, parallels to each other having similar backstories etc. so I love seeing their connection since it's a genuine strong one, but that doesn't exist in real life with a stranger you met and talked to to get into a relationship, so I'll probably never experience that intense connection. Funnily enough I experience it with my husbandos and waifus all the time lol. Part of this for me as well is how I can be inside the characters minds thanks to them being written that way, where I get to see all their thoughts and thought process, their feelings, their opinions, all the details of their lives so I know who they truly are 100% and that helps me getting attached to them. But with real people I don't have that extent of control and I can't know who they truly are, they will always hide something from me and never be themselves 100% in front of me, and that makes me too paranoid to get close to someone or ever be vulnerable around them, and I can never know what their reaction or opinion of me would be if I reveal my deepest darkest secrets, but I for sure can tell what my favorite fictional characters' would be, because they're usually relatable to me and have somewhat similar experiences or can sympathize with me without judging me or thinking I'm too strange since they are strange themselves, unlike a real person who would be too normal in comparison to me and I will always be the odd one out to them. This is my two cents on this topic. Hope this helps you understand this farther.
No. 1705363
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>>1705357>like Jojo male characters are mostly that way> cute twinky young menjojo characters are literally the definition of roided pigs holy shit
No. 1705365
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This is what genshit does to your brain.
No. 1705369
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>>1705367it doesnt matter if they look their age someone into pretty aime boys like genshit isnt going to be attracted to the roided pig shit she's recommending. At least hajime no ippo which has some cute male characters, Slam dunk has to be the most woman repelling looking anime in existence
No. 1705378
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One thing I despise are "awareness"-posts that try to make others feel bad for "liking" things. Makes me feel like pic related.
People who reveal that liking means jackshit to them since it's all about promoting their shitty blog with reblogs, instead of social behavior. If I see something nice and feel like "liking" it but remember an anti-like post from that very account I will most likely abstain from doing anything and just scroll past it. Some even have the guts to call you out for this, since liking a post confirms that you have seen it but chosen to not reblog it, which means you are an asshole (already happened to me). Because of that I might prefer to give it the silent treatment instead, meaning less than a like, but 0 engagement, since that's what they are asking for.
To be clear, I draw myself. And sure, reblogs make more people see my art. But how much has social media poisoned people's brains that they cannot appreciate likes anymore or even go as far as shitting on people that do it?
Back in the old days you didn't even have THAT. You posted your art into some obscure thread or private gallery and kept drawing and uploading because you enjoyed it.
Besides that there are multiple reasons for why people don't reblog. They might have a theme-blog that simply doesn't allow reblogs of other subjects or fandoms. Or it's users who are afraid of reblogging from non-woke-approved accounts but don't care enough to scroll through every artist's page for hours to check their mindsets. Or it's shy people, or artist that want their blog to be their art gallery. There are more reasons. But nah, let's just force people to reblog, that will surely improve shit.
No. 1705385
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>>1705301good for you? maybe in specific internet circles people will judge you but 85% of bdsm content is femsub/maledom so i just thought her complaint was funny. girl no one is gonna bat an eye at you wanting to be treated like a fleshlight by a man, every scrote nowadays is a porn addict who thinks choking painal gangbang porn is too vanilla or whatever.
No. 1705404
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>>1705386I guess that was me kek, I haven't posted anything since tho, dunno why the discussion got so out of hand afterwards. Must be a genshin thing since that's the second time I see anons sperging out over it ITT. Anyway pic related is my husbando, do I have shit taste or nah?
No. 1705421
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>>1705404Nah, you’re based, your husbando is a cool dude.
No. 1705428
>>1705395This started from erotic fanfics about hockey players, the team themselves gave gifts to the main booktoker driving the hype, and some players even made thirst trap videos tagged for booktok. Not sure what "creepy" comments were made aside from "Break my back!" but the wife of one of the players complained online, then the player himself, and this is where the fan defense comes in.
I'm with you tbh. It's not the biggest deal in the world, ESPECIALLY considering the part the team played in making tagged thirst traps. It's just delusional tho to act like hockey as a whole is now more popular when it's just popular among fandom types now
No. 1705429
>>1705411Oh god I hate it, especially when the writers pander to these retards. I'm thinking about Xenoblade 3 and
Nia who may or may not be Rex's third gf or some equally stupid shit despite Rex explicitly rejecting in XB2 and despite XB2 being all about Rex and Pyra/Mythra's special bond and love story, all just because Nia was unfortunate enough to become popular with waifufags. Then there's also Ace Attorney and Godot, who seems to be disliked by zoomers who haven't played the games but have spent their free time checking the wikia page of the series and think they're experts. I've seen plenty on twitter calling him "sexist" and a piece of shit for calling Mia "kitten" as if he were trying to be a condescending sexist coworker to Mia… except
in the trial when we see them interact together they're already dating and he's calling her that because they're dating. Or even engaged depending on the language you pick when playing the third game. These people are always genuinely shocked when they learn that
Godot/Mia is so canon that it's the whole reason why the third game's story happens to begin with and thought it was bullshit invented by fans who hate yuri and that pairing with Mia and Lana. You can even see all of this clear as day by just watching someone else play the games on youtube so there's no excuse for that, and yet.
No. 1705451
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>>1705363That's part 3 art style. From part 4 onwards they look cute. 1/2
No. 1705453
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>>1705243Girls like chicken, women like beef.
No. 1705460
>>1705369>>1705370>>1705376God forbid a woman likes masculine guys I guess
>>1705379And yet, the genshit anon you're defending thinks she's an authority on what women can be attracted to by calling any woman who isn't attracted to shotas a "pickme who likes old men and roided pigs"
No. 1705478
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Good Omens antis are still in denial that Neil Gaiman aligns with proship beliefs aka ‘I don’t give a fuck what fiction you decide to write’
No. 1705532
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>>1699212"b-bu-but, your husbando is a murderer!"
He was just being silly.
No. 1705548
>>1705451>>1705452>They look cuteThey all dress like complete retards and have weird faces.
The one area I 100% agree with digibro on is that Jojo character designs are god awful. I just don't screech about it.
No. 1705558
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>>1705556I'm not even participating in the same debate though, I'm just saying that Jojo designs aren't cute at all.
I think fujos/yumes can generally forgive shitty designs if they like the character's personality but I think it's fair to acknowledge when the base design looks like trash.
No. 1705595
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>>1705585Is Rohan his husbando?
No. 1705633
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>>1705495I don't think they do. They obviously look like men with long hair and some makeup, they aren't trying to pass as women. Though I've read some fan theories that maybe this is how they actually look naturally and they just have funky colored lips and eyelids which would be hilarious if true.
>>1705548Atyrt. I personally like the hyperdetailed look of the art style, but I agree that the anime always looks like shit, especially since part 4. I like the manga art style more. And Araki keeps improving imo. He especially works hard on the manga covers and the stand alone art pieces for art galleries and museums. I like the colorful and unique designs of the characters that are inspired by fashion magazines/shows and/or around a specific theme/power/song. I think it's creative. Plus I'm a sucker for buff tall dude with long hair designs. The art style is just too detailed and sort of 2.5D for anime to capture it. And I think the studio that works on it is incompetent but that's my jojo unpopular opinion kek. I think if it was in the hands of a better studio it would've looked so much better, especially part 6. Like how AOT got a great art style and animation back when it started compared to how ugly the manga is. Picrel is what the manga art and stand alone pieces look like. Left bottom is recent.
No. 1705658
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>>1705655Maybe character design wise, but actual attention to details and animation quality is the best in part 2 and 3 imo. It got worse when they started relying on CGI and especially in part 6. Part 6 had the worst color palette, worst characters redesigns (so they would work for animation) and the lowest attention to details. I'm not a big part 5 fan but it certainly looked better than 6, and it's sad because 6 is one of my top 3 jojo parts.
No. 1705688
>>1705603They're not actually mine haha, they're just pics from MFC
I mostly have sanrio plushies.
No. 1705894
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>>1705170>>1705443I like both. Anime is an interesting case because women and girls are so obviously ornamental and meant to look like the object. I understand wanting a depiction of a cute guy in the same way girl designs are made. There's female character designs out there of legal aged women who look exactly like the teenagers in the same style.
>>1705194That's just the niche opinion on lolcow though.
No. 1706003
>>1705919At least 30% of the whiners are ugly, fat men mad you're not attracted to them or drawings that look like them. Some are just pickmes, but I cannot overstate how moids from places like KF shit up this whole site trying to manipulate women for stupid reasons.
A lot of men are babies who can't handle women's standards (even for fiction) not catering either to them as they are, or their gay muscledaddy self-empowerment fantasies. That's why most Hollywood movies are full of hideous old scrotes and roided abominations. All the things they accuse feminists of doing are what they've been doing for decades.
No. 1706024
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>>1704932>>1705070>>1705109>>1705170What people need to understand is that most video game and anime/manga characters aren't like adults or children. Instead, they are more like a mixture of cats and children, blending unreal and neotonous features. I feel as if people don't realize that Japanese beauty standards are more 'pedo-centric' than 'Euro-centric,' although it's more accurate to describe it differently.
No. 1706036
>>1706028IMO, women often tear eachother down based on things like looks, or other things they want to compete over. That's why some threads in /w/ are absolutely milkless, but have been going for years strong by the weight of nasolabial folds, or why art cows often get hated on the most by other artists.
I just don't see why (the majority of) women would get emotionally invested over what male fictional characters a minority of other women like, to the point that they feel pure, palpable rage and say almost anything. Lesbian and bi waifu-anons/yurifags don't get that way, but there are "anons" here who somehow become very sensitive and will fight for weeks about why a random woman probably living on another continent needs to change the way she objectifies men. Like I said, pickmes show allegiance to moids, but men definitely have the most stake in trying to keep us "in line" and as attainable as possible.
No. 1706048
>>1706034I was in male spaces before Lolcow was a thing. Yes, they do argue, but the energy is very different. They will say "kys, shit taste" without much emotion involved, and most posters will agree with whoever says to stop sperging one way or another about it. This is because the only men who are truly personally affected by what kind of women other men like are trannies and gay men.
>Microinfluencer moids constantly get called out for liking either that or cubstuff if they are furriesI've only seen this with the ones that have significant female fanbases, personally. Even then, weeb influencer moids like Joey the Anime Man often get away with defending loli.
Furries are some of the most extreme about not caring, they even defended a YouTuber who raped his dog up until it turned out he was hanging with actual animal killers.
No. 1706052
>>1706050>they just go into spamming porn or derail rather than argueYeah, that's because unlike women (or men trying to browbeat women using shady tactics), their first thought is "I'm going to shit this thread up as much as possible until these retards stop talking about what I don't like", not "How dare you, you are disgusting you are disgusting I'm too scared to get banned to tell you to kill yourself but I hate you please I must have the moral high ground it's too
problematic in here please".
/co/ is tranny central these days, but it used to be the same with spamming/derailing. There actually are still lots of thinly veiled western loli or self-insert ship threads because the mods either don't care, or support it.
No. 1706054
>>1705304>Who gives a fuck, they are fictional characters. They are literally pixels on a screen. They don't fucking existI don't know what happened to this site over a few years because this was the average opinion and you'd be called a moralfag otherwise. Is it genuinely zoomies or did the pendulum just swing hard?
>>1706044I think some characters are just stylized. Of course 1000 year old lolis are ridiculous (draw a toddler call it an adult), but I think it's disingenuous to re-hash the minor coded debate from tumblr and co by pulling up an adult character who debatably could look like a teenager. Of course they're not going to have real person proportions, and I think that's where some of the disagreement lies. Some people are obviously going to think some styles are more infantilized than others when drawing adults. Also it really, really, really does not matter if some random woman likes a boy from an anime that is underage or looks debatably underage. I don't care. It's getting so exhausting now. It used to rarely happen but now it's oh but if you look at this character a certain way and recall a certain voiceline it proves that they're 17 so, why do you want to fuck kids, huh? Cringe.
No. 1706142
>>1706098The one who hates Dio's son is a jojo youtuber, forgot which one though. But I think it's shmuckmaster or whatever his name was, who has a female png persona that gets lewded by fans. His takes on jojo are so fucking braindead and it unfortunately influences the majority of the fans. He's the one who came up with the "araki forgot" meme. Hamonbeat debunked all of it and used to have beef with him over misinformation and ruining the image of the series, as he should kek. That aside, I love part 6 bittersweet ending and Pucci is my favorite jojo villain. His goal makes sense and is easy to sympathize with, I totally understand the feeling he had of wanting to be reborn in a different life where you're sill yourself just happier and things are better and all the bad things didn't happen, so seeing him achieve his goal was so cathartic. His reason is also very easy to understand and sympathize with, being that he accidentally caused his sister to kill herself after finding about her and his brother's accidentally incestuous relationship. It's hard to not see where he's coming from. Plus his plan also brings back all the people he killed to achieve it to a better version and life of theirs, so I can't really hate him for killing Jotaro and Jolyne. That ending and his amazing character makes part 6 better than part 7 to me, even though I find Johnny relatable and lots of part 7 characters hot kek. Funny Valentine is a boring villain though and I hate how burger fans keep shilling him as a good guy who "loves his country", so bleak. Jolyne is also a better hero than Johnny, but what makes Johnny interesting is that he didn't want to be a hero but rather had a selfish goal to achieve that happened to align with what's right. Sorry for this long spergy post lol, but I love how nuanced jojo can be and hate how most fans can't see that and they just see the superficial silliness, gayness, flamboyance etc.
No. 1706261
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>>1706253ayrt please nona what is the copypasta? I saw it today and I can't find the post, it's probably one for the books ngl I'm mad I don't have her and manifesto-chan's stuff saved on an indestructible harddrive somewhere
and yeah whoever sillypoo are I hope they lurk and know how beloved they are
No. 1706292
>>1706287I found itIt's funny how all the losers come out of their lonely caves like roaches to make fun of us roided muscle-crackhead enjoyers.
I'm feeding my pig carcinogenic protein dust by the spoonful and he let's me punch him in the jaw because he's too poor to buy his own MEGA BIG-BOY PROTEIN EXTRAVAGANZA CHUM BUCKET from Decathlon. I don't have to worry about when to dump him because his heart will give up on him before I do.
You will be buying diapers for skinnyfat faggot with your own retirement money in a couple decades but MUSCLEPIG will already be six foot under & STILL mogging your faggot even as a skeleton.
Imagine being too scared to drop kick your Nigel becuase he might fucking die. Couldn't be me! Mine is already dying. A heart attack wouldn't be out of the ordinary in an autopsy situation.
Bucktooth Becky's stay seething over the PIG-PUNCHING Stacy. #mindset
No. 1706329
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>>1706262Exactly. If they were calling this
>>1705453 old and jojo characters roidpigs, they'd shrivel up at the characters I find attractive kek
>>1706292based
No. 1706465
>>1706024Cats are the internet's mascot animal because they're so universally loved for their neotonic features. Old cats resemble kittens more than most breeds of dogs look like their puppies, even when not totally mature. Dogs are only more popular worldwide because they have more utility as working animals and tend to show more affection and loyalty than cats. Pound for pound, cats are more infant-like in their cuteness. Japan has several unique historical dog breeds with rich histories but you only really hear about shiba inus and rarely akitas abroad and surprise surprise those two breeds are compared to cats in cuteness and personality all the time. Anime girls are cats. The only thing Japanese men love more than cute baby animals are cute baby girls.
Back in the olden days, hookers would get their start by understudying their big sister oirans from as early as kindergarten age and would debut in their early teens. Owning CP isn't even treated like a serious offense over there and was only made illegal less than 10 years ago. And even then, only after pressure from the government. The age of majority was 20 until last year yet 16-17 may as well be milf age for anime girls. Anime isn't a flat representation of Japanese society at large, but entertainment can be indicative of what's idealized by said society, especially escapism and porn. Sorry for sperging but anyone who believes Japan isn't a nation mired in pedophilia has their fingers jammed in their ears. Go ahead and like your nubile vaguely-aged anime characters, just don't deny that minds they spawned from probably prefer kids. Or at the very least, aren't bothered by others liking them.
>Hurr toddler beauty pageants, FGM, Britney Spears, child marriages, durrWe're aware pedo moids are a worldwide disease. Japan is a special case. I don't think cheesecake bikini modeling of 12-year-olds would fly in the States as it does over there.
No. 1706469
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I hate lolicons but I hate antis deliberately misinterpreting the new Twitter TOS even more. It says REALISTIC depictions because moderators only have so much time in the day to review and report actual media of victims of child sexual assault. Sure, lolicon is gross, but you’re being a selfish asshole if you think your own comfort and curating your own tl is more important than removing someone’s trauma off the internet as quickly as possible. The people celebrating the change to report lolicon with no care for real victims make me sick, I’m convinced you have to be borderline sociopathic to have so little empathy for the thousands of victims still up on that website. Truly, fuck these sheltered privileged cunts.
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I still haven't played this game but I have looked up content of the post twink death elf on tumblr because I want to [REDACTED] and then I come across this kinda shit. In a way yeah the guy is pretty fucking fruity, but these people should consider themselves lucky he's bi by their own logic. I can guarantee this was written by a tif, and I hate to break it to you honey but if that was an actual real life gay man, he'd call you a misogynistic slur after you took your pants off at your validating grindr hookup
No. 1706483
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>>1706469They also send bunk reports to the FBI, child protection services and other law enforcement just to make a point. They had to literally tell them to stop, and these people still encourage it sometimes. You can take a stand against this sort of thing without muddying channels meant for real
victims.
No. 1706487
>>1706465>Cats are the internet's mascot animalI'd say that was true a decade ago with all the lolcat stuff, but now birds and dogs are pretty much paired in popularity with cats, kittens are quite popular tho
>they're so universally loved for their neotonic featuresI wish this was true, i like cats but they're not very well liked in several cultures including my own, sometimes they're even treated as pests, specially at non-asian/white countries
No. 1706519
>>1706329Excellent. Men should be built like gorillas with the urge to please its owner of a floor-piddling chihuahua. I want a 6'4 195-lb gymrat crying on the floor begging me to show him my panties even though he isn't worthy of me. i want to drag him through town on a leash and tell him what a good boy he is.
what would i do with a skinny little 15 year old? wipe soup off his chin and wash his laundry? shota-
nonny is going to grow up and diddle her own children since that's what she finds sexually attractive, for some reason. i'm going to walk into a gym, start beating the men up, and command them to thank me for it. and they will, and ask for more.
No. 1706536
>>1706476The singer Prince was as zesty and effeminate as they came but he was never anything 100% hard straight. People were trying to clock him as at least bisexual his whole career because he wore ruffles and heels and kept his hair big and tousled but he never even entertained the idea of being gay. It's possible for moids to be fruity and straight in the same way women can be androgynous or masculine and still only want men. The idea that anyone so much as touching the outside of their gender role has to be gay or trans is a recruitment psyop to encourage people to doubt themselves and troon out.
What twitter tifs don't seem to realize is that if BG3 came out 10 years ago the elf twink would have either been confirmed straight or rewritten into a straight/bi woman. The loudmouthed scrotes that dominated the player base would have thrown tantrums at the gay vampire hitting on (speaking to or being in the general vicinity of) their super straight badass self-insert. That's why RPGs like Mass Effect didn't have a genuine queer romance until the last entry and even then it felt obligatory. It's a double-edged sword because gamers of both genders have jealous meltdowns when their waifus or husbandos of choice have canonical orientations that rule them out. Devs can't be bothered with controversy that retarded so now they cut the middleman and make every romanceable character orientationless like a Sim. Not even bisexual, just open to everybody. A hole you can set as your goal.
No. 1706595
>>1706262>I also remember the male bodies thread in either /g/ or /m/ having a picture of what looked like an underage boy but is actually just some anakon that some anon finds attractive, and some anons in the thread were rightfully put off by it.This post?
>>>/g/345283Are we really going to act like adult men are kids if they're skinny kek. Is liking manlets pedophilia too? Reminds me of twitterfags calling every character "child-coded"
No. 1706665
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>>1706262no one said that, i like hajime no ippo boys as much as i like genshit boys. I was refeering to jojo tier moids, bishies are cute.
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one thing i donnt get is the sheer amount of fanfics these days that have literally nothing to do with canon anymore.
i don't mean just your regular AU but rather the ones where nothing about the characters or setting has anything to do with the original.
see picrel for example. this is supposed to be a tolkien fanfic but is just vignettes of random characters being autistic. what really gets my goar is that none of it has to do woth the tolkien universe. you could literally replace the characters' names with bella or draco or jim or bob and it woudld not change the fic at all
what is the point of writing fanfiction then? you've stripped the characters of everything that makes them recognisable.
i read fanfic because i want to see more of the universe & characters i know and love. completely turning them into someone else misses the point of the whole exercise
No. 1706694
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Pro-ship discourse and its consequences.
No. 1706713
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>>1706519lame ass larp lmao you are going to end up like killer sally, having to overwork yourself to buy your roided pig steroids and then going to jail when you have to eventually kill him as self defense.
God, roided piggy fags are so fucking delusional and annoying, dominant roided muscular pigs have been pushed in media forever and are the core default, all i want is a cute soft boy that doesnt want to rape and dominate me like 99% of ficitional male characters pushed for women. see how what i said it's true?, i literally just said i liked some generic anime twink and these roided pig fags got super offended and bitchy for not falling for ugly man propaganda, just like the twitterfags that got offended at me drawing cute men who ended up having terminally shit taste themselves. I guess wanting cute male characer that arent
abusive and old/ugly make me a pedo now.
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>>1706802i agree modern AUs don't work well with certain specific media. it's especially bad for tolkien because in the original works, epsecially the silmarillion, there isn't a lot of characterisation so it's mostly the setting that makes them unique. take that away and it's barely recognisable
i feel the whole moral purity shit in fandom also drives peole to turn chatacyers OOC. can't like evil/
problematic ones so people turn their blorbos into some unrecognisable neutered uwu woobie that has nothing to do with the original anymore. see picrel, the og character is an
abusive genocidal manaiac and it's the hile point if hus character, but tou take away all his traits to make him this mushy heckin' wholesome fluffy nothing. basically an oc
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People treating shipping as activism is so annoying, you can't jokingly say the characters on a same-sex ship are lesbian/gay without a bunch of people going for your throat for "erasing their bixesuality" or whatever.
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>5'3
omg a lichteral child!!1
No. 1707004
>>1706842Women with self esteem issues (literally) are out there imagining themselves being treated like a princess and romanced by Ozai, the guy who abused then banished his wife and burnt off half his son's face. Then tried to literally burn an entire country into ash.
Holy shit just get therapy and spare the internet the cringe. I hope they never have children, because that's some kind of mega-pickmeism where the moid will be beating the children into bloody pulp and she's getting horny to it. Sometimes I think the antis are right.
No. 1707018
>>1707016Nta (she's a little too serious about it but anyway) but I don't get people who have
problematic husbandos but idealize them as the opposite, when I like fucked up characters, I like them fucked up, maybe it's a gap moe thing… or pure delusion and poor reading comprehension
No. 1707029
>>1707016Internet retards just think that liking a fictional bad guy is the same as being an irl serial killer stan.
The whole stuff is retarded in the end because yeah, you can like a fictional bad guy and have feelings for him because he obviously has more going on than being evil, or you can just change him however you want.
I can grab fucking Megatron and say that he wants to fuck me and that he’s willing to change for the sake of being able to touch me. Why would that be a bad thing at all?
Like, this is why it’s better to just have small circles of other autists to share your shit, because everyone will get mad at you for having fantasies and masturbating to the idea of a hot evil guy not being evil around you, or to the idea of a hit evil guy being evil but also in love with you.
I seriously hate the retarded kids that somehow managed to make people stop posting their unhinged shit for, let’s see: chat fics with retarded pronouns bullshit, tranny headcanons, ddlg fanfics, daddy dom shit, gender neutral self inserts, “fucked their core” and so much more. Amazing.
No. 1707173
>>1707099Yes yes very lolcow behavior
>>1706956Honestly it’s exhausting. Even back then there was fighting over ships but it was all in good fun and only real autists would send death threats over a ship on deviantart and then get made fun of by everyone else kek It’s interesting because back when tumblr was alive, I saw various fanart of canonically gay characters in straight ships and no one would bat an eye. Maybe you’d get an anon or two pointing out they’re gay but again no one really gave a fuck. People were just happy to explore certain ship dynamics or just shitpost about crack ships. I miss it.
No. 1707250
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>wah wah not every ethnicity ever is included in a cartoon!!!!
I fucking hate diversity and representation so much. I'm gonna become a writer, animator and director just to produce a show with100% white characters out of spite. (Jk never gonna do that but it would be funny if someone does kek)
No. 1707251
>>1707016liking willains is based. i just don't get why people say they like them and then turn them into a completely different characters. especially a character like ozai whose unrepentant villainy is his defining character trait. i'm the one who posted the screencap and i actually like ozai, but i like him precisely because he's terrible.
how can you pretend a character when you change his entire characterisation?
to say nothing of the literary merit of these fics and posts, which are just rote "( character) loves u" platitudes with nothing to differentiate them. in the pic you could literally swap ozai's name with any ither person and nothing would change. and you see shit like this all over character tags now.
note that this is not husbando specific, in general i just don't get why people pretend to like a character but turn him into an OC with the numbers filed off.
No. 1707258
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>>1706956>>1706995My question is when did this start happening? I swear it got worse once the pandemic hit
No. 1707298
>>1707250I mean, it wouldn’t be so crazy since it depends on where you like, live and stuff, if I were to feel motivated to do art, most of the characters would have dark skin and you would barely see asians or white people because the stories wouldn’t be in asia or europe, or the USA or Canada because I’m inspired by what’s around me.
I think the only real issue would be the fact that people aren’t doing art because they like it, or because they have a story to tell (no matter how boring/random/deep/shallow it is).
It feels like people are creating art for the sake of being preachier than the last person on the spot, adding as many characters from as many backgrounds as possible with as many special traits as possible.
And it’s so noticeable, specially in series with real actors and stuff, I always have issues with getting absorbed by the plot whenever I see a conveniently diverse group of friends, with a latam character, a white character, east asian character, south asian character and a black character. While it really wouldn’t be that insane to see such types of groups irl, it feels very convenient for a story that everyone just gets along and are part of the main group.
And it really isn’t the same in a cartoon, at least in cartoons it’s like watching the bratz or totally spies where the whole idea is that they’re an exceptional group of friends that are diverse and interesting, doing crazy stuff and getting sucked into many cool adventures.
Meanwhile in the irl series you see a focus on the real characters and then maybe a glimpse on the diverse group of friends which is what also feels shitty, because then why add these many characters at all? Just add whatever you actually wanted to add and that’s it.
And of course there’s at least a few series that does it right, like the good place, and at least in Ragnarok they bring it up like “lol this shit looks like a diversity add we’re so cringe lmao”.
No. 1707299
>>1707250I will never, ever give a fuck about that because the few times I see fictional characters who seem like they could be from my ethnic group or who are directly based on it there are always a lot of idiots whining that the characters are dark skinned but not enough, they blackwash them, they shove their amerifat tropes and stereotypes in these characters, etc. Not to mention there are way less characters like this in the video games or series or movies I like than in most media that's marketed internationally.
>>1707258I'd say on tumblr at least it started arounf 2013/2014 but it wasn't nearly as widespread as now. It was especially obvious to me when there was that one part that got released in Homestuck about some character making a joke about looking caucasian and tumblrinas with bad taste harassed the guy who made the webcomic so it got changed into the character looking "peachy" because of the way the skin was colored. The mere fact that I know and still remember this despite not reading Homestuck is alarming enough kek. Then everything, and I mean absolutely every fandom in general got worse on tumblr when that guy Leelah Alcorn committed suicide because of his "transphobic" (actually homophobic iirc) parents and not accepting his real self or some shit and posting his suicide note in his queue. Suddenly it was all about muh trans rights because some guy that befriended some tumblr users in 2014 died so he had to be honored though shitty fanart. Then it slowly but surely spread to "artists" giving character vitiligo, making them morbidly obese, etc.
No. 1707469
>>1707462i would never watch anything made by amazon let alone this travesty. but no, even the book-specific part of the fandom has seen genderspecials trickling in sice the fandom migrated from lj to tumblr.
first it was the elves with undercuts, then the autism headcanons, and then came the kweers
No. 1707672
>>1707604Frist anon and yeah I think this is true, the original post which these comments are on was talking about the
poc characters in the show and only mentioned the brown and black one, ignoring the Chinese one and the white latina because they're too light skin to be
poc I guess.
No. 1707745
>>1707672NTA but yes the east asian characters are always ignored as being
POC, I don’t get it. Like those tumblrinas posted earlier in the thread crying about how husbandofags don’t have enough
POC fictional others.
>>1699199 Japanese anime characters take up at least half of those characters, i maybe even more than half i’m just less into anime but even I can’t escape anime men. I’ve known people who think like that and would always talk about white people in fandom despite being white themselves, and when I would share my favorite black characters they didn’t really care and just moved their white flavor of the month men.
>>1707258It’s crazy that at the time this fan art was the wokest shit imaginable. But compared to woke fanart made today it’s almost normal? You can still tell who the characters are, only slightly darker skin tones and only one of them has a significantly different body type, the body hair is drawn normally, and there’s the one posing with her ass to the camera. None of them look like trannies or are covered in pride pins or have all their curves removed till they look like sexless blobs. The body hair was honestly stylized nicely too… Take me back nonnas I had no idea how bad it would get.
No. 1707762
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>>1707745>NTA but yes the east asian characters are always ignored as being POC, I don’t get it. Like those tumblrinas posted earlier in the thread crying about how husbandofags don’t have enough POC fictional others. >>1699199 Japanese anime characters take up at least half of those charactersI think it comes from anime discourse. When it comes to anime characters, there are certain assumptions about race where people automatically insert themselves, whether they are white, MENA, Asian, and Hispanic. Before I knew that the anime I watched as a kid was from Japan, I assumed they were from my country. I think a lot of woke types are aware of that, but they only apply this towards East Asian people, not realizing MENA and Hispanic people, along with whites, have the same tendencies.
No. 1707798
>>1707762>>1707745america is a white majority country. non-white people raised there are socialized to literally "other" themselves. any light-skinned character without stereotypical traits is just assumed to be white, because that's what they're used to. this is also why calling white people "basic" is a common insult. they literally view white people as the base, culturally and phenotypically.
instead of considering that it might not be accurate to think of white people and white people alone whenever they see a stylized drawn character (especially with a japanese name), their "fix" is to slap on exaggerated, sometimes comical features (like very large noses or super-slanted eyes) to make them look more "foreign". they just ignore when a character is canonically east asian, because the quiet part they won't say out loud is
>this character looks white to me, as a westerner. i don't care about your vision and cultural outlook as the creator and/or the intended audience for this content. my gaze is the right one, i won't rethink anything. it is your job to do something about this and accommodate me. No. 1707803
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>>1707250I feel like the problem is people just putting in diversity for the sake of diversity and don't bother to put in thought as to what character dynamics are interesting.
>m-muh but people are just diverse there is no forced representation you bigoted racist!!1!I'd never heard a single person bitching about tf2 having "forced diversity" back in the day despite the characters wildly varying in body shape, ethnicity, race and nationality. People bitched about the spiderverse movies at first too but they're widely considered amazing movies now. It truly is a skill issue if your diversity comes off forced. There's people of wildly different backgrounds coming together, and then there's a faggot tumblr reject's wet dream who's using the blizzard diversity simulator to put in characters. Supplementing a shit story with shit writing with muh diversity and calling anyone who criticizes it a bigot is not a replacement for skills. People will literally die on that hill for some reason. "X but make it queer/random race so it's good now!" God, what causes this? I always have to supplement with me being a minority too because otherwise people think I'm some bitter whitoid mad that the browns and the queers are on screen now too. lol, no. I'm not american if that makes any difference?
>pic related from the western animation thread No. 1707855
>>1707828>if TF2 came out in the 2020s you's probably see people sperging about Demoman being a "blackwashed ginger" kektrue actually I didn't think about that. I agree with your theory more about the topic being incredibly polarized.
>ate "wokeness" on principle but even those who don't mind or even enjoy "wokeshit" don't care to defend them because they're still not even interesting enough to defend.This was high guardian spice for me IMO. Some people were acting like it was only these right wing "chuds" hating on the show but nobody came to their defense because uh, the show sucked. And the creator doesn't know how write (and hasn't known how to, considering the original webcomic ran from 2012). But I was supposed to cheer it on and come to its defense because it was trying to push some badly written diversity. Sorry, show sucks. I'm sorry that you're getting attacked by frantic woke haters but the show still sucks.
No. 1707895
>>1707844it sounds like you misunderstood my post or didn't finish reading at all, anon. i wasn't talking about you or anyone besides burgers in burgerland, which is why i literally said "america" first and talked specifically about people raised there.
>>1707852 is correct.
No. 1708009
>>1708001I also feel like there is a difference between wanting to casually fuck a reprehensible character NSA, versus wanting to be in a mushy-gushy lovey-dovey committed relationship with them calling each other honey-poo and opening christmas presents. Like saying, Ozai is hot and I want to fuck him, I'd be fine with that, dude is ripped. But detailed lengthy fantasies of a romantic relationship with mushy-gushy lovey-dovey-ness to a child abuser is just giving me pause.
Zhao was just doing his job, I don't think he's all that evil.
No. 1708079
>>1707251i think it's just wish fulfillment pushed to the brim. they don't care about whether or not it's actually in-character, they just want that sweet fluffy romance with their favorite character. i find that these types of people are the ones who only like a character for their design and not because of their personality or actions. most people are just not good at character interpretation in general; that's why most fics aren't that great even if the prose is techincally well-written. they just dont understand what actually goes on in a character's head or how a character would react in a situation.
i once asked someone why they wrote a trio of characters bickering around like teenage siblings when they're all adults and have never shown that kind of dynamic in canon. she got defensive at first and said it was just her interpretation. then when i asked her to point me to evidence in canon where they've been shown to interact that way, she admitted it was OOC but that was just the kind of dynamic she wanted to see from them.
i dont mind when people admit their interpretation is OOC and pure wish fulfillment, because they're at least self-aware about it. my biggest pet peeve is when people act like their ship has so much romantic chemistry in canon, and then all their fics are just plain OOC, kek. it really makes you think about their reading comprehension.
No. 1708283
>>1706823I wonder if the
triggered nonas are in the younger demographic because I remember being this touchy way back.
No. 1708288
>>1708283Wouldn't the
triggered nonas be the ones misusing 'pedo'
No. 1708298
>>1708079>people act like their ship has so much romantic chemistry in canon, and then all their fics are just plain OOCKlance summarized. Canon: toothpaste and orange juice. Fanon: woobie bish-geis crying while having sex
>>1708283no one cares that you want to fuck a 14 year old, stop shitting up the thread. we're talking about shitty fanons.
No. 1708590
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>old man says lolis are bad
>is exposed as pedophile
>proshippers call him an anti
>yanderedev write child rape fanfic
>is exposed as a pedophile (even though we all knew it)
>proshippers don't care
So why do they put labels on people when it benefits them, but not when it harms them? Who is and isn't a proshipper or anti? Why do they get to decide that to further this weird "all antis are bad" agenda?
No. 1708701
>>1708626Haven't seem them kick up a fuss about it like they do for antis.
>>1708644I don't trust any male anime youtuber in general, except for a good five of them. Any time one of them shows slight interest in an anime with lolis or moe girls in it, they just instantly feel gross to me.
No. 1708790
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>>1708742NTA, there is the rival character in Yandere Simulator who is meant to be the little sister of the Senpai character, the original design of her honestly just looked like a loli and was supposed to be “jailbait”. Picrel is the design feat my shitty censorship just to be safe. I don’t think Yanderedev has ever taken on any dumb labels like pro or anti ship, you’re right he’s just a coomer weeb. If were going to use the definition for proship that it’s someone who is against censorship of taboo media and harassment of it’s creators and fans of course Yanderedev would be a fucking proshipper, this is the creator of a game where you have to kill the sexy school nurse and teachers because they want to groom your 18+ high schooler love interest, and taking panty shots of the high schoolers is a form of currency in the game.
But he’s like a 30 something year old man who’s a hentai 4channer, not the type to take on the proship label. It’s mostly teenaged girls and younger women who are way too deep into fanfic and shipping that use either proship or anti. Everyone else outside of the Twitter sphere of slapfighting over anime ships thinks this shit is all retarded. Have you ever seen any men actually care what other men get off to? Furries seem hyper aware right now how much actual pedophiles and animal rapists they have in their fandom but your average furry moid ignores every redflag of their friends and influencers. All they really care about is cooming. Only the female furries really care about it but then they still encourage kids to become furries, it’s weird.
No. 1708927
>>1708733I meant why don't they claim his as a proshipper
>>1708742I think
>>1708790 explains it. But I meant in my post that why do people claim someone like:
>>1705478>>1705480To be a proshipper when they don't claim the label, but don't claim other people like yandev. I've seen them call random pedophiles antis because they said they hate loli. I know this probably sounds retarded, but I was making an observation
No. 1711644
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>>1707762I feel like you can split white characters in anime into two categories
>gag character who has a big nose and is always blonde with blue eyes>actual character who sometimes is blonde with blue eyes, but a lot of the time just looks indistinguishable from the Japanese characters. No. 1711813
>>1711644It usually depends on the context. If it's a series with Japanese POV characters, the white characters will have features that are slightly exaggerated. They are often a bit taller and have larger noses. See Kuniaki Haishima works but there are also series where white characters are just bishi who don't look human half the time.
there's a page from some howtodraw manga type book, where we see bishonen from around the wold(white, black and asian) and all of them looked identical just with diffrent skin-tones.
No. 1711865
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>>1711813>They are often a bit taller and have larger noses. See Kuniaki Haishima worksBut Johan is so sexy
Personally I think that just works well for world building, since a lot of white people do have big ass noses.
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>>1711865I posted this in a previous thread, but I have only just realized that Johan is probably based on Bjorn Andrésen. It seems like every blond male character in Japanese media are either inspired by either him, River Phoenix, or characters who were inspired by them.
No. 1713276
>>1713222Basically what
>>1713224 said, it's just autists being autists. That ugly bear daddy from Disney's treasure planet also has a really devoted and obsessed husbandofag following, sometimes they just hyperfixate on the weirdest things.
No. 1713358
>>1713320nah girls/women dont watch irl porn they like drawing self fanservice fanart and dont perceive characters as relatives like in irl
im not a fan of that scrote cartoon i followed the artist
No. 1713412
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>>1713381No one is pushing him as attractive though, it's really just a small group of weirdos that like him. But to get back to the original question, the show itself is at fault and then watchers who already have insane levels of brainrot go with it
No. 1713740
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>the top 20 most omega-fied characters of all time on ao3.
park jimin and deku are the top 2, honestly surprised nightwing is even on the list.
No. 1713755
>>1713424This nona is right and to expand on it, one of the showrunners (guy who did Community, idk who) has an open incest fetish and puts it in the show. Thus, appealing to the incest fetishist fujos, who are not stopped at the extreme level of relatedness in case (as in, more than sibling/sibling) because they are incest fetishists. Simple as.
Now which kind of person develops an incest fetish is another conversation entirely.
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Even when it comes to husbandofagging 'asexuals' can't stay even remotely consistent.
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>>1713780>DNIever notice how the tumblrinas and twitterfags that spam "DNI" this and "DNI" that are always the bullies they're trying to drive away? Every time I catch some faggot arguing and cyberstalking a supposed "transphobe", a "proshipper", a "fatphobe", or whatever, they have "DNI" in their stupid little banners despite constantly inserting themselves into OTHER people's spaces and instigating online fights that otherwise wouldn't even exist. It's stupid enough that they think "DNI" is really going to stop anyone from messaging them, or commenting "mean things" on their posts. The real irony is that these wannabe-activist faggots can't take their own advice when they tell others to "stay in their lane".
No. 1713796
>>1713794Well, that's usually for fujos (I did have friends like this though)
I don't interact much with husbandofags who larp as asexuals so I have no idea if they're also into like ABO and stuff.
With that being said I don't buy for a minute that any of these people are asexual, asexuality is people like Jazz Jennings who were unable to go through puberty properly.
No. 1713806
>>1713803Being a manhater makes you a
terf uwu
No. 1714268
>>1713777Based.
I don't know what omegafag shit is either nor do I care about the sexualization of males period and only found out about it ITT up thread lel. I do think it's hillarious how it's a projection of misogyny but so is most work women make about women, so I see little difference. Het women make masochistic content anyway, what difference does projecting moids as pregnant make? And having them "exploited" in the anti women shit hole of South Korea. Most content women make anyway is torture porn of other women so genuinely who cares? I mentioned "Rape and Revenge" as an example, a genre that's touted as "feminist" hilariously if you wikipedia search this genre it comes up with actual porn films made by men in the 70s. clownworld.
No. 1714590
>>1714328why do you peiple always bring shit back to "fujos bad" like there aren't a million other topics to discusw about fandom spaces. enough already.
some hetshippers write abo too. it's degenerate either way.
>>1713780"asexual except for fictional men" ok so straight.
i recall some people tried to push "fictiosexual" during the mogai era kek. not liking 3dpd is fine and understandable but that's not a gd orientation.
>>1713784basically just wanting to be special. "Yeah we like the same chaarcter but I love him in a totally queer and special and woke way unlike the rest of you sluts uwu"
No. 1715353
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>>1698087Late reply, but it has to do with the industries of each country. The Japanese manga industry developed much like the western comic books. In fact, it is closer to early-day comic books than western comics. Manga's are published in specific weekly or monthly anthology magazines. If you want your story published, you have to submit a pilot whose art and story have to be reviewed and approved. After that, you have to maintain that level of artistic consistency. However, that does not happen with Korean manhwas which truly began in the age of the internet. Korean manhwas are like 4chan or Reddit posts, where anyone can submit anything. Therefore, whatever grabs the most monkey brain attention usually soars to the top. It caters to the lowest common denominator, and they always cope each other. As a result, you frequently see artists tracing from memes and movie scenes or reusing the same CGI backgrounds. Surprisingly, no one pays much attention to it because its expected.
No. 1715428
>>1714590>why do you peiple always bring shit back to "fujos bad" like there aren't a million other topics to discusw about fandom spaces. enough already. some hetshippers write abo too. it's degenerate either way. Literally the "werewolf-verse" with the exact same dynamics as omegaverse complete with fated partners and alpha/omega power divisions is currently being buffed like that ridiculous My forbidden alpha series that's going around or even that infamous Omegaverse litigation court case of someone trying to register a trademark on "M/F omegaverse". Amazon's book section is FILLED with het omegaverse. But no, naturally it's only degenerate and
toxic when fujos do it kek.
To be honest I doubt any of the anons sperging about the misogyny in omegaverse works have ever read them because to someone who's actually wasted time doing so the issue is more about gentrifying male ships to fit a trad heteronormative expectation of the endgame of a relationship to breed and create new life than the "I hate being woman so much I want to be a man with a womb!!!11" thing (except for yumeaidens I guess) and that's why it's a very divisive topic within fujos, the overwhelming majority outright hating it for the implications or only using a vague interpretation only for the BDSM-like top/bottom dynamics with the weirder features stripped off, a setting which has its own term iirc. Anons on this site often consider all other women to be dumb autistic ladybrains who have no mentalization skills and their preferences must be due to sheer ignorance, like the one above who went off about omegaverse enjoyers "lacking cognitive awareness". But when you think about it, the fundamentals of omegaverse are pretty plain bread which is specifically why people thought that MF omegaverse author was being so ridiculous claiming that she was the one who invented those rules and mechanics. And the obligatory disclaimer here, I'm not a fan of omegaverse myself so this is coming from an outsider's perspective.
No. 1715483
>>1715428>I'm not a fan of omegaverse myselfYou're the one who doesn't understand.
If the only issue with omegaverse between fujos was the gentrification of male ships to fit the heteronormative imperative to "biologically breed", then why is m/m omegaverse
>Omega who is vulnerable to rape and pregnancy because of his biology>Omega who attracts potential rapists unintentionally because of pheromones (his biology)>Omega who is raped by alphas who "cannot control themselves">Omega who becomes bonded to the alpha that has raped him, and viceversa>Omega who is raped and it's treated as his fault >Omega who is discriminated in abo society because he's an omega>Omega compelled to hide the fact that he's an omega lest he be exploited for it >Omega who needs to take pills to suppress his pheromones or heat or whatever Etcetera.
All of these are staple fixtures of omegaverse BL manga.
Of course m/f fiction and omegaverse fit like a glove. It is, after all, heterosexuality with extra steps, including the exploration of the unique female experience through a dummy called an "omega" step.
No. 1715498
>>1715464Well, the other one is based on heteronormative values ("the goal of a relationship is to breed") and the other is driven by internalized misogyny ("I don't want to be a woman while experiencing things exclusive to female biology"). There's naturally a lot of overlap between them, but they're two different motivations that can exist separately. However in all fairness it's a waste of time to look too deep into it, for most people it's about relatively detached horny dominant/submissive fantasies and playing house with kids and exploring the possibilities those scenarios allow, that's why het omegaverse also exists and is growing in popularity. And the far animalistic stories with scent glands, heat cycles, nesting, packs, biting,
knotting and so forth sound to me more like a paraphilia for animal-like traits than an occurrence of misogyny. People get way too fixated on the pregnancy aspect and should take a step back to look at the bigger picture.
>>1715483Again, you're assuming that the people creating these works aren't aware of the references. Of course everyone knows it, you're not exactly being revolutionary by saying that omegaverse mirrors real life gender disparities. Nobody's going to slap their foreheads and go "of course, pregnancy and lower aggression means female!!!" like they just found the missing puzzle piece. They're choosing to create an alternative universe based on a real life setting for one or more of the reasons I listed above, or whatever motivation they might have.
No. 1715503
>>1714384I also don't agree with this line of thought and fujo shaming. Women do not act on their thoughts like moids. Troonism is a seperate issue that is tied in with body dysmorphia, trauma and living in a genuinely hateful world that fucking hates women and girls. It doesn't come from inside, it's external. The opposite is true for MTF troons. In my opinion fujos are the closest to genuine misandry and male sexual exploitation as the content that they consume is enjoyed nearly soley by women and exclusively made by women. It's a rare niche that is dominated by women with the absence of males, and is done so for their own pleasure; an absolute oddity and rarity in all media. I can't think of any other sexual media that is comparable. Het women cope that "femdom" is misandry when it's male gaze, retarded garden variety female masochism, degradation, and humiliation-fetish shit.
>>1715483Nta and thanks for the summary of retarded omegaverse shit. I don't have the stomach to look into it even on my most terminally of online days.
>>Omega who becomes bonded to the alpha that has raped him, and viceversaThis is the most retarded shit I've read in my life. Is this actually what this shit is about? If this is projecting real life heterosexual women then damn, that says more bad about heterosexual women then omegaverse creators and consumers for imitation kek.
>including the exploration of the unique female experienceOnly the retarded unique female apparently. Don't lump me in with this strange elaborate het cope. Having a uterus is a universally female experience I get that, and the analogy of pregnancy but fucking males and ergo all the consequences of doing so, isn't. Likewise, being retarded and living with a rapist male is not an ideal nor universal female experience. Women that choose to write about this are in no way doing anything new, see the multitude of rape porn and pedofile storylines produced by women with women and girls victimized as the main crux and driving force of the plot. Honestly if you were making a strong argument against omegashit I'd go the way of
>>1714384 and fear monger about consuming violent media. In saying that I don't agree with them, as women are not violent predators despite all the pedofilic anime and violent moid made content many of them happen to consume in abundance.
No. 1715521
>>1715512If omegaverse fujos are truly so much more self aware than your average twitter fujo who relates so hard to the gay males depicted in BL that she comes to believe that she must after all not be female and aidens out, then I tip my hat to them. As I said, I am not inherently against omegaverse or fujos nor am I making any argument against the former like
>>1715503 says. If your average abo shipper is as you say. But I guess neither of us will know because we are not omegaverse fans ourselves.
No. 1715594
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>>1715498>sound to me more like a paraphilia for animal-like traits than an occurrence of misogyny.>Scent glands, heat cycles, nesting, packs, biting, knottingAll those animalistic things you are describing ARE misogynistic lol. They are adaptations evolved to identify and rape females of their own species. Murder and homicide is defined as a human killing another human legally but we can observe animals that "murder" each other. Rape is observable too, traumatic insemination is a real thing. You wanted fucked up omegaverse shit there it is in nature lay bare. Male animals rape female animals then in turn, female animals adapt counter mechanisms to avoid this rape; this is known to animal behaviorists as the "sexual armsrace". I have no horse in this race but damn. Lets give this omegashit a rest now, we all seem to have reached a consensus on it being fucked and beyond gods light. You've forgotten to take your blackpill on animals omeganon. picrel tentatively related.
>>1715521AYRT I implore you to not seethe over fujos. They create mass abundances of humiliating gay porn of males and that alone is incredibly based. I give no shits about FTM troons, I'd sooner care if they were chopping their limbs off and claiming they are dolphins. Having the expectation of female masochism flipped on its head is based. I don't care if they fetishize intrinsically female things like pregnancy in the process because ordinary women do that constantly and we as a society are forced to bare the brunt of it and cope that it is "dramatic storytelling" as if fucked up het shit wasn't already pumped out and scoffed down in abundance by the masses. The conversation here that its a trad psyop is moronic too because ALL media has rape porn in it and is written to degrade and humiliate women/"put them in there place". No one complains about the fetishism of rape in trauma-porn tv dramas, by omission it seems most evidently het women enjoy rape porn in their media, or at the very least tolerate it. I don't care if fujos/omegafags project misogyny because so do women who create ordinary media everyday. The only difference is rape media usually focuses on humiliating women, while fujos and omegafags are degrading moids in the process.
No. 1715618
>>1715594>I'd sooner care if they were chopping their limbs off and claiming they are dolphinsI kekked
You are right nonas. Fujos are essentially based because of what they put their fictional moids through. Essentially it is the same thing women are put through in fiction but the moment the target becomes a moid all the seethere and handmaidens come out. It's sad to see especially on this website the hate fujos get. Even abo fujos I don't give a shit. My only interest is that autismo fujoshi don't get convinced to troon out because they like yaoi or relate to poor abused BL manga protagonists. This is how you end up with braindead twitter takes such as "yaoi is fetishizing mlm" which just encourages more girls to become aidens and police the space. Females objectifying and torturing fictional males needs be normalized, accepted, and feared.
No. 1715669
>>1715594>The conversation here that its a trad psyop is moronic too because ALL media has rape porn in it and is written to degrade and humiliate women/"put them in there place". No one complains about the fetishism of rape in trauma-porn tv dramas, by omission it seems most evidently het women enjoy rape porn in their media, or at the very least tolerate it. I don't care if fujos/omegafags project misogyny because so do women who create ordinary media everyday. The only difference is rape media usually focuses on humiliating women, while fujos and omegafags are degrading moids in the processHOW DO YOU NOT STILL FUCKING GET IT, It's not happening to men, its happening to women who you delude yourself into calling men, your not projecting anything, your lying to yourself by reading essnetialy the worst worms of
toxic heterosexuality with extra steps, that's we all know and this deny reality is why every fujoshi is bound to troon out.
(calm down) No. 1715691
>>1715669Your "yaoi men are women" argument is so tiring, you spew this shit everywhere. Yaoi men are men, that's why straight girls are so into it. They like it because they're men and they have dicks. "B-but they act like women!!!" every man written by a woman behaves "like a woman" (like a human being, that is), it's just an idealized version of men and it's present in pretty much every media made for women by women, yaoi or not. Ohh but one of the males gets abused that must mean the male is actually a woman because getting abused is a woman thing!! Kek get a grip. It's gay porn with abuse and hot men, that's it. Or maybe you think men can't and shouldn't be abused in media? Jfc you're so insanely dumb.
>why every fujoshi is bound to troon out.That may be the case now that the troon propaganda and misogyny are going strong, but most older fujoshi (who are the ones actually creating all the yaois) are normal women who don't troon out. Inb4 you screech that all fujoshis are fat gross dangerhair women, that's simply wrong and it's a thing seething men like to yell while malding over women not fucking them. You should be better than that anon.
No. 1715709
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>>1715498This reminds me the first few times I saw ABO fanfic, I thought it was some kind of furry thing. Picrel has so much to answer for.
No. 1715726
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>>1715428>>1715483why are you talking about rape and breeding i though alpha and omega was a children's film wtf
No. 1715737
This omegaverse shit gets serious here lmao. I feel like this thread itself is a good depiction of how crazy people can get about fandom culture. It's less a discussion of the mechanics of tumblr/twitter fandoms, but just more participation in it outside of it's source
>>1715553>>1715581>>1715704I don't know why this interaction is so funny to me kek
No. 1716348
Just a reminder that whumptober is upon us, a season where fancontent producers are encouraged to write/draw stories about popular characters being brutalized and guro'd for angst and horny value. For what reason, no one quite knows.
For example, a list of prompts is distributed including items such as impalement, torture, amputation, suffocation, caught in a trap, lost and isolated, etc, and the writers get to select which character to write that prompt about. If you've read prior years' collections, it gets quite spicy.
No. 1716470
>>1716348whump went mainstream. total trash misery porn like " a litle life" and edgy shit like "the discomfort of evening" are now considered serious literature. figures that we'd see even more of it in fanfic too.
i teresting that people are calling their own fanfics "whump"unironicamly now.
back in the day, when ragging on bad fic it was mostly something you'd apply to these ridiculous fics where the character had an unbelievable amont of misery dumped on them over and over.
guess people ~reclaimed~ the term now that cring cluture is dead and it's uwu mean spirited to make fun of bad fanfiction.
No. 1717111
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Strong female characters? Nope, theyre tifs now, teehee! (Supposed to be Adora and Catra, same artist draws a bundle of this and every other tumblrite troons Adora out.) This feels more misogynistic than malegaze cheesecake.
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I'll preface this by saying that I'm not actually into comics/the Batfam I just found it cause I was trying to look for Nightwing art, but I can't help but find this post so stupid. "You can't dislike my ship or you're a bitter straighty trying to take away kweer history!!!!11!!" please shut up. Brudick is Bruce Wayne x Dick Grayson if anyone doesn't know, which is apparently controversial for being incest, and also I'm guessing cause Dick Grayson would've been a little boy when he was with Batman.
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>>1717855Another reblog. The ship also includes Dick Grayson when he was Robin, that's why I just don't really get why people would want a ship between a young boy and an adult man to represent gay men or "queers" when they already had such a bad rep.
No. 1717861
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>>1717260>>1717381Well, this is an entirely different discussion where we delve into the issues of the 'global rich' who are essentially cultural Westerners trapped in their own countries. It is more noticeable among women who are confined to their homes all day but still make their presence felt(with stuff like queer theory) . However, this phenomenon can also be easily observed among men, such as men from Thailand or China who adopt and become obsessed with American culture, dressing and speaking like those people, often being seen as jokes in their own nations but tolerated due to their wealthy backgrounds. The fact remains that there aren't many people who speak English at a proficient level to be exposed to this kind of cultural influence.
No. 1717868
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>>1717859Which fujocoomer account did you get this from? I get what you're talking about regarding Batman's sexuality. Originally, Batman's stories were pulp stories filled with shootouts and Batman killing his villains. However, in the 1950s, due to increasing media censorship, the comics were toned down to be more kid-friendly. This led to a softer, friendlier, and more exotic style that was considered campy. One notable psychiatrist, Fredric Wertham, wrote a book that was the equivalent of modern day breadtube videos where he took isolated examples from various popular comics and miscredited them as proof that Batman(among other pulp, noir, superhero figures) were a homosexual communist propagana. In a 2012 study it was conduced Wertham manipulated, overstated and fabricated evidence for his book.
and as
>>1717865 stated, Joker was just a gangster with bleached skin who had fallen down a vat of acid, he wasn't even crazy, just a regular gangster with a weird appearance.
No. 1718022
>>1718003I'm pretty sure it's mostly just one poster
pakichan saying that. The typing and wording is all the same.
No. 1718027
>>1717857>>1717855Once again, my problem with proshippers. Who cares if you like brucedick but why are you making it seem like some political movement.
>>1718003I'm confused, not all fujos like seeing men degraded. I just like good dramas with hot characters. Some people just don't like degradation in any form
>>1718022There is more than one.
No. 1718038
>>1718015how is it a surrogate woman if replacing the submissive person with a real woman would kill the mood?
>>1718032i thought this was part of
> Sapphic vs Fujo Misogyny Accusationssince fujos are often accused of misogyny for not? wanting to see women in porn
No. 1718050
>>1717861To elaborate further on this, the perspectives, media and takes you encounter from non-Western people(including my own) whether they are mainstream media or from some random person you connect with on platforms like Twitter, are predominantly by the "global rich". This is particularly noticeable in non-European nations, although it can apply to people in other European countries. Here, many political activist groups that have emerged in the past decade are essentially performative rather than genuinely political. They prioritize optics over substance, including adopting Western woke positions. This trend extends to our music and cultural as well. Our musicians, who primarily come from the upper middle class, tend to promote rap music, and people tend to follow along unless it goes way too against our cultural values. Even feminists, who also come from the upper middle class, often adhere to Western feminism within their own bubbles. These bubbles usually go unchallenged, except in truly unstable nations like Iraq, where people risk getting shot or kidnapped by militias.
This has political consequences(that I'll get into if anyone's interested) but it shapes media takes as well, cause basically anytime you see some twittertard getting mad at some piece of media for "not getting their culture right" they are from western-brained global rich-perspective, they are almost completely disconnected from their own nations(barring some shallow knowledge that anyone would know) their offence is completely performative, cause 99.9% of people in their nation would not care.
No. 1718063
>>1718059I think that is why I never really got into yaoi, I could never stand domineering
abusive men and fujos love that shit. Also then I grew up and realized that I would rather see a hot guy being useful to women.
No. 1718098
>>1718065nta but here's a potentially an unpopular unpopular viewpoint that has absolutely nothing to do with fujoism: the popularisation of D&D and other table top RPG's(whether it's people actually playing it or becoming familiar with it through actual play series like Critical Role or Dimension 20) has had an overwhelmingly negative impact on fandom spaces and the fantasy genre as a whole. Now, every damn fantasy series, no matter how mildly fantastical, is infested with these morons imposing their own basic interpretations, attempting to pass them off as peak comedy (such as elves swearing or inter-species sex). It's repulsive and utterly detestable, and I wish it had never come to pass.
Also everyone Involved in table-top play series is an insurable person.
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>>1718098These are the exact type of people I go out of my way to avoid in fandom/nerd spaces. Them being DND players only makes their pandering worse. Mbmbam and their DND thing fanbase are also infested with these types of people where they want them to say TRANS RIGHTS whenever there's a stream.
No. 1718164
>>1718042This. Fucking christ isn't the retarded antifujo thread enough for these speds to hardcore project and traumadump about the fujo from their middle school? Do they have to take over literally every thread that deals with any amount of fandom stuff, even the ones outside this one? Fujos are all misogynist porn addicted pedo trannies cooming to omegaverse, we've heard this a million times by now. It's on par with eye color baiting by this point.
>>1718047They have an actual goddamn containment thread for hating fujos alone. I have no idea how that's not enough for them to contain their spergery but I guess someone has a hyperfixation they refuse to work through.
No. 1718192
>>1718182god yes. or the double standards where a male can be the most
abusive piece of shit junkie retard and still get called a poor meow meow but a woman being ever so slightly self-serving is a
toxic bitch.
looking at you succession fandom No. 1718214
>>1718182Basically the reason I don't like fujos is that it inevitably ends up in bashing the female characters. There's even those "
victims of yaoi" polls on tumblr bringing awareness to the phenomenon. If it was JUST bishies having poophole sex I wouldn't care, but inevitably that slice of fandom cannot help themselves but to seethe over female characters existing and bash the living shit out of them and everyone who likes them.
I produce sapphic content and most of my rebloggers are fujos, because they view wlw as a chance to get women out of the way for their mlm. They're just so obsessive,
toxic, and invasive to other people's spaces it makes me hate entire fandoms once the fujos take over and shit the place up.
So you can't talk about female character bashing without it coming back to the elephant in the room that it's fujoshi doing the women-bashing. Moids aren't doing it. Sapphics and even hets aren't doing it. It's the fujos. Where is the misogyny coming from? Fandom is a unique territory because for once it isn't the men doing the misogyny–it's the pornsick hate-encrusted fujos.
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>>1718123The thing is, you're not allowed to have any sort of nuance in this issue. You have to support troons(or whatever issue) and be vocal about it; otherwise, you are labeled as a right-wing bigot. It's insane.
No. 1718269
>>1718253Speaking of, the internet is all cringe tribalism at this point. Troons call this website a right-wing website where TERFs go to gossip, moids call this website a secret tranny den. Same with kiwifarms, to one group of people they're literally killing trannies left and right but other groups call them kiwitrannies. You can't be a
gasp centrist or fencesitter, you're literally a wing-i-don't-like literally hitler individual. This is why people are "transphobes" and shit, because trannies are parasites and act like nuance can't or shouldn't apply to them. If you don't say YES to absolutely everything and maybe perhaps ask to have an open and honest discussion a swastika armband teleports into your closet and the soul of hitler enshrines you. Oh, and this shit is absolutely in fandom. The pendulum only swings from brave and stunning troon to alex jones.
No. 1718274
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>>1718054>>1718049Men cannot be degraded by women, outside of the obvious physical power inbalances, what men doesnt like to get fucked by women(outside of a gay moid)? i like femdom but most ''''femdom'''' is shit like pic rel. Some weird '''power''' fantasy by ugly pickmes with low self steem that want to be desired, like genuinely what is the difference between this and those ddlg freaks that want to 'tease' older men like dolores?. Femdom is such a cope, and i say this as a femdomfag, the only way it can work is in some weird alternate universe where the women are bigger and stronger than men, like in Kaneoya Sachiko's artwork. I don't like yaoi per se, but i like to draw my men getting fucked by big faceless men as humilliation, and when i draw femdom it's an ugly faceless woman aswell.
No. 1718283
>>1718274>>1718101I remember a few days ago someone posted a page from a certain hentai, where an old, overweight woman abuses a young boy. Frankly speaking, I found it disgusting, and I believe whoever created it should be sent to an asylum. However, I would prefer something like that to exist rather than 99% of Yaoi, and I would liked it the
victim was a bishounen male instead of a young boy.
No. 1718499
>>1718382I have and do, but this
>>1718366 is how I feel too
No. 1718506
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>>1718366>>1718283This reminded me of something, almost a decade ago when I was young. I was semi-obsessed with the Halloween movies and I had written a fan-fiction. In this story, I had the idea of portraying a teenage Michael Myers (whose age I was at the time) being abused by an older female nurse. The concept was that this beautiful tall teenage boy wouldn't react as a lonely old woman caressed, rode, or kissed him. It was like that episode of Arrested Development where a nurse falls in love with Buster while he's in a coma, but I wanted to play it straight. However, I decided not to post it because I was conflicted about how to end it and I was also scared of the potential reaction I might receive. Looking back, it's somewhat ridiculous considering the amount of awful stuff that was posted back then without me knowing.
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>>1718274Only she can make it work. I personally enjoy reading the misandry equivalent of "women should stay in the kitchen" posts in the femdom thread.
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>>1718537I posted the wrong picture.
No. 1718574
>>1718557how about just not doing bdsm shit and just like read a normal fucking relationship.
>>1718570Then don't need romance then.
No. 1718579
>>1718574Are you ESL? anyways, some straight women want an alternative to the murderous,rapist,selfish,bald 3DPD. I just wish femdom media wasnt
>>1718274 this ddlg-tier bullshit, but no one has the ovaries to write murderous female dahmers kidnapping torturing and killing men so we are stuck with sexy dominatrix in lingerie kindly spanking balding fat pigs and ''uwu i want a fat ugly virgin neet to tease i mean dominate'' fucking sucks
No. 1718584
>>1718579But do you have the ovaries anon? I'd read that.
I don't have any novel writing skills myself but I'm going to practice so I can write something femgazey and violent towards men.
No. 1718593
>>1718579>kidnapping torturing and killing menIsn't 'femdom', It's just snuff/reverse ryona.
Wanting to be in control during sex and wanting to murder a guy are two completely different fetishes.
No. 1718606
>>1718557>>1718592>>1718594You know what? I'm starting to get really tired of this kind of doomer tradthot seething at women being creative and making things for themselves for their own enjoyment.
>hurr it don't real>you can't actually dominate males>cringe>porn brainrotSo according to you the only "based" thing a woman can do is sit in an empty room and think about nothing because moids are gonna moid and every piece of media is malegazey. Sorry you have such a sad life.
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>>1718606First of all, you aren't making shit, the only ''femdom'' content is being done by moids for moids. secondly, i said i liked femdom, but i am self aware it's a gigantic cope and there is no way to realistically ''dominate'' a man. I am just tired of the retarded larpers who thinks some lolita/nagatoro teasing old/ugly scrotes is somehow femdom. Have you ever asked yourself why males into femdom outnumber the females into femdom? because moids know it's impossible for a woman to be in total dominance, and other women know it too. The only way to make femdom feel natural is by inventing some alternate reality were the women are stronger and men are weak and frail, like pic rel. There is genuinely 0 true femdom media, and things wont change any sonner if women keep deluding themselves into thinking femdom is babying some moid or gently teasing him.
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>>1718612> There ARE women making good shitkek by ''good shit'' you mean some retarded fanfiction of some obscure fandom no one but you cares about? i am talking about making anime/VNs/art/games/books/movies, real stuff, not amateur garbage hidden in AO3. Unless real femdom content is getting made nothing will change, people like Sachiko because she's the only one doing true female-gaze femdom content. Compare her art of men being molested by furry women and POV of men tied/beaten/hurt vs
>>1718274 No. 1718631
>>1718627people here are making shit like
>>1718274 they deserve to be shamed for calling their ddlg-esque neet teasing fetish ''femdom'' and deluding other women into thinking that they have any form of real power over incel/desperate men, that's some incel scrote ''women actually hold all the power over us'' stuff. I actually make real femdom content, and i am sure all of the larpers would find it disgusting because the men actually get dominated and not just tehehe teased.
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>>1718610>Have you ever asked yourself why males into femdom outnumber the females into femdom?No because I don't care what worthless males think. That's the point.