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No. 1819899
Regardless of the actual number of deaths or illnesses, the pandemic had a lasting impact on cultures and the political landscape of the world. The pre-pandemic times feels like a distant era now, This includes changes in the economy and the radicalization of many individuals, and I believe we will soon start witnessing the consequences of these impacts.
link to the previous coof thread
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We honestly don’t need all these new shit threads. At least five useless ones have sprung up in the last month. There should be a general discussion thread atp.
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I think the Red Scare, probably the closest western analogue to the covid hysteria, is the cultural trajectory the Covid Lockdowns will take.
For those who don't know, the Red Scare was a bout of American hysteria over geopolitical setbacks at the time, most specifically the loss of China. You had a charismatic expert in McCarthy, buttressed by the military industrial complex which was looking to gorge itself on tax dollars. To question the military industrial complex was to be "unamerican". Until a few years in, the claims of McCarthy got more and more outlandish and absurd, and president Eisenhower, instead of being beholden to that schizo, laughed him off and everyone just got sick of it.
With Covid, you had Fauci in the position of McCarthy, he had a little cult of personality with people singing songs about the "Fauci Ouchie". The medical industrial complex was engorging itself on public funds, and had an interest in keeping the hysteria going. The claims started as being reasonable at first, but then a few variants in people suddenly got sick of it.
We're at that cultural calm afterwards where people just don't really talk about it. The same thing happened in the late 50s and early 60s with the Red Scare. People knew it happened, knew it was excessive, but didn't really feel like talking about it.
Then enough time passed and people gave it a more honest assessment, on wikipedia now you'll find it described like
>A Red Scare is a form of public hysteria provoked by fear of the rise, supposed or real, of leftist ideologies in a society, especially communism.
I think in ten to fifteen years time, the Covid era will be described similar
>The Covid Lockdowns were a form of public hysteria provoked by fear of the spread of the coronavirus.
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>>1820015>cultural changesI think we've passed the event horizon of too many people being sad, mopey losers and thinking "depression" is a personality. It's no longer cool to joke about how you're not living past 30 or whatever, or how how anxiety does this or that. Because it's become such a ubiquitous problem due to our shitty lifestyle. People think "mental health awareness" media and stuff is about being deep, but I think it's more pathetic than that, people have genuinely become such losers that they feel insecure at the portrayal of happy-go-lucky types that don't have problems.
I rewatched American Pie recently and that's one thing that struck me. The world has changed so much in the sense we've normalized being a loser. In that dumb boner comedy movie for teenagers, nobody complains, nobody whines. They display accurate insecurity and awkwardness for teenagers at that stage of life, but even that's probably too much for contemporary zoom zoomers because real problems people work through make them feel insecure about their excessive focus on fake problems.
But yeah, as we climb out of the covid era I think very soon, complaining about anxiety or saying you have depression just won't be a thing people desire to do. I think we've gotten sick of mental health awareness stuff and insincere media that wink winks at the audience. Covid accelerated this, and it's no coincidence the collapse of Marvel slop correlated with the era.
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I've always been online but COVID-time was my worst. I feel like I've become a meaner, dumber person. I have trouble focusing, can't read, can't exercise. I'm constantly filled with regret for my past. I really wish I was born earlier. I'm annoyed with everything and everyone.
No. 1820147
>>1820015This is a really well thought out take and I think you're right. I also think a lot of trust was lost in the government and supposedly neutral government entities. What sticks out in my mind is the CDC lying to us about the masks. In the beginning, they said that no one should wear a mask, they claimed that they didn't work. They lied because they feared that the public would make a run on them, depriving the hospitals before production could be ramped up. But then masks became available and they released the truth and even made masks mandatory.
I don't care what the reason was, if they lied publicly once, then they're willing to lie again. Nothing they say can be taken as the truth, you have to parse it out yourself.
No. 1820160
>>1819931i wear it so strangers can stop bumping into me and stop talking to me. i unironically wish the 6 feet away method was enforced 24/7
>>1820137seconding this
No. 1820196
>>1820151This was an obvious joke now all the germspergs are coming out of the woodwork good job
nonnie.
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>wore a mask
>got vaccinated
>never caught covid
>finally quit the job I hated
>got a better job and went back to college
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>>1820160>i unironically wish the 6 feet away method was enforced 24/7Same I hate people being close to me and I love wearing masks. Things were also kept much cleaner too.
No. 1820547
>>1820539Because of people like
>>1820462 thinking people who don’t like masks are autistic
Toddlers wearing masks is revolting and so is breathing in your own breath all day, I don’t care if you do it, but it is revolting
No. 1820704
>>1820686It's not really as obvious as all the things mentioned so far unless you know troons irl. I haven't seen anyone I know irl troon out so it's something I've noticed online, the closest would be a friend of mine sperging once because she was moving out of her place, needed help to throw some things away and called JKR a racist transphobe because she felt she had to explain why she ordered a chibi Harry Potter plushes 10 years ago.
Noticing how people in general act is way easier because it really affected everyone. Personally I find it funny that normies turned into turbo retards because they couldn't socialize irl with their classmates and coworkers while I had to deal with the same shit when growing up with my
abusive religious parents for way longer and everyone gave me shit for it back then, and now I'm doing just fine in comparison. Serves them right. Noticing how working frol home got way more popular as a result is also easier. It's a bunch of small things that directly affect us even if you don't do it because it makes commuting way easier for instance.
No. 1820939
>>1820931I've had a lot of people sneezing on me or coughing on me as they walk next to me in the opposite direction, which means that instead of doing it before or after, they specifically turn their heads in my direction a few centimeters away from me, do that shit, don't put their hand in front of their mouth and leave. I think that's way weirder.
>>1820933I've seen that a lot of them still have them, especially restaurants and cafes, but almost nobody uses them because they're right next to the entrance so you only notice when you're inside and there are other people right behind you. I always had tiny bottles on me as soon as I started uni a decade ago because I often ate fast food between classes and when I read how nasty keyboards and touch screens can get I thought it would be a good idea. Maybe you should do that if you don't already have that habit.
No. 1820949
>>1820686>>1820945people (normies, npcs, whatever) were separated from society for a while. totally unprecedented. these types get a lot of their personality, thought process, moral system etc. from other people irl and without that they had to do a lot of self-reflection.
for many of them (women especially) they realized how unimportant shit like makeup, beauty culture, etc. really was because they had nobody to perform for. and rather than go "oh okay gender is bullshit" they went "oh okay so i'm not a woman after all? if i were a woman i'd still be happily doing makeup and acting feminine even when alone"
No. 1820964
>>1820949oh and they automatically went the gendie route because they have no frame of reference for being gnc, have never read anything on gender that wasn't written by a tra or pseud, there's arguably a more "artsy" and "unique" community for them if they are a troon vs. a female person, so on so forth.
>>1820954well that's what you saw, i'm speaking from what i saw. i e-stalk a lot of cool women and they all went down the enbie route because they were smart enough to realize that "femininity" is not at all inherent to being a woman but couldn't develop that thought enough to reach the logical conclusion, possibly because they have hsts friends and didn't want to wrongthink
No. 1820973
>>1820964Sorry but if they became an enby NLOG, then they must think femininity
is inherent to women, even if they say and post otherwise.
No. 1820980
>>1820973>then they must think femininity is inherent to womenwell yes, that's what i meant to imply with
>but couldn't develop that thought enough to reach the logical conclusionand also outright said here
>if i were a woman i'd still be happily doing makeup and acting feminine even when alonethey managed to split themselves from femme trappings but ended up thinking that meant they weren't women
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No. 1821738
The radicalization is real. Yeah, prior to lockdown people in my area were cutting off their conservative relatives but during lockdown it extended to COVID deniers, then terfs, swerfs, cop apologists, and people who were too enthusiastic about killing pedos. I noticed people would start revealing their most extreme political opinions as a conversation starter. Both people I was meeting for the first time and lifelong friends I hadn't seen in a year would open up with “god, I hate cishet white men” or “check out my bag, it says protect trans kids.” and that shit would happen at every. single. social gathering.
Even the people I know who were never much into social media would regurgitate Twitter posts and reddit-tier arguments verbatim. It was really uncanny, just being in a room where everyone is saying Twitter posts out loud and not really engaging with what's being said. And of course the same people became so afraid of misinformation, they'd derail any conversation if it even seemed like someone was skeptical. One friend admitted she does this because she doesn't know how to educate people, but she still knows they're wrong. It really was crazy just watching people fall for all sorts of propaganda day after day after day (conservatives too btw) and being so smug about it.
I thought things would cool off after we all collectively touched grass, but I haven't seen any signs of it slowing down.
No. 1822783
>>1821068My country never did masks (except in a few locations like airports). I only saw a handful of masks during the entire pandemic. Funny thing is my internet friends were the american kind to angrily rage about no-maskers being selfish pricks and how they were killing everyone and I had to silently sit there and pretend that we totally wear masks too
Just for the record not wearing masks did not result in any more deaths, go figure
No. 1823236
>>1822783What country are you in?
IIRC, Japan didn't enact a bunch of new strict laws, but their culture is naturally communal enough that people just acted responsibly and that's why things never got out of hand. America is a place where men take pride in going into crowded places no matter how sick (to be fair, our shitty work culture/laws encourage this), not washing their hands, and intentionally coughing wetly and loudly onto everyone in their vicinity. So when they catch COVID, it's more of a secondhand frustration than a marginally less chimped moid from somewhere less retarded.
No. 1823403
The real cultural impact it had was increasing fascism and no I do not say that flippantly. Economically it distributed more wealth to the top, corporations and the government worked together to force citizens into complying with behaviors impacting their personal lives and bodies to execute economic and social control over said citizens (do this, don't do that, or no job/outings/education for you, slave!) and it socially validated the totalitarian culture of "might is right", aka, whatever voice has the government and corporation-sponsored opinion is given the complete power to bully those who oppose. You only have to see this in every bootlicking mask fag who can't wait for their chance to screech at you for not obeying The Correct Thing to Do and any concern regarding the measures is met with emotional hysteria. Based women need to rise up and recognize that cucking and endlessly self sacrificing themselves out of life and fun to "protect others" is not feminist and is just a cog in the scheme to get women (and men) to submit to social conditioning. Reject the social order, resist psychological facism, be selfish, kill grandpas, disrespect society. Thank you.
No. 1823492
>>1823462France doesn't have that many women wearing burqas and if you see women wearing the hijab they're not the majority among muslims. I don't remember seeing anyone wearing burqas before the same law passed at least but it's been a while since then.
>A woman on bike wearing a scarf was stopped and questioned about whether the temperature was really cold enough to wear a scarf.That's crazy, it's just a scarf and we all know women's clothes are thin and shitty, so it can be hard to stay warm during winter depending on the weather where you live. Reminds me of school in winter when it's super cold, there's no heating whatsoever and you're not allowed to keep wearing your coat in the classroom to stay warm and healthy because "it's impolite", I would always have my fingers get way bigger and hurt a lot from this to the point where writing was very painful. Anyway I'm not surprised by the police doing this with women because women are more likely to comply and to not try to assault the police for being professional harassers.
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Thoughts?
No. 1828857
>>1828854nta, I feel like the only people who truly love fully remote work are people who either already have a family/good relationships or people who think a co-worker saying hello is some sort of offense.
Also agreed, it absolutely fucked up a generation of children that missed out on important early childhood socialization.
No. 1828869
>>1819931I loved how the masks reduced facial expressions. I constantly get my face analysed and people (mostly moids) wrongly assume things off my face (didn't smile happy enough, looked too sad…) and I have to watch my expression all the time. So back when we had masks it was just happy (squinted eyes), sad, neutral, surprised. Made communication so much easier for me.
>>1828847What I found weird travelling to Istanbul pre and post covid is how pretty much everyone seems to wear hijab now when it wasn't the case before and it seems way more religious and hostile to non religious people there now. I feel like there was quite a religious radicalization during the quarantine in some countries.
No. 1828887
It feels like decades ago now…
I moved to a huge city and recently saw some people wearing masks while shopping which left me bewildered, on the countryside absolutely nobody wore one in years.
I remember in the beginning thinking that a huge part of the world's population was gonna die (also parts of my family) and yet..? I mean we saw those horrible dystopian videos of China and one area in Italy but nothing much happened here?
Due to my job I got vaccinated 3 times extremely early and yet I got covid multiple times. My grandpa who I was so worried about hardly stuck to any rules and never got it/didn't notice it.
My mom always said that certain things will stick afferwards, like wearing masks when you're sick but now thankfully everything is back to normal, like e.g. people giving handshakes again, which I always hated before but I now realize is an important part of culture. People already lack human touch/contact and many lack politeness, so it's good that we kept this one manner.
It annoys me when people still push children being fucked up on covid. Your kid has long forgotten about lockdown, children are living the moment, they're not traumatized, it's your behavior before, during and after covid that's fucking them up. Nobody forces you now to keep your child indoors in front of screens 24/7, to never play with them, to never read to them, this is all your own laziness…
No. 1829327
>>1828873yeah I never really understood the "everyone suffered" thing. A lot of people did, I know a lot of people who ended up breaking sobriety out of the stress of losing their job or working in unsafe conditions. I have a lot of sympathy for those who were already struggling and that lockdown pushed them further into mental illness or addiction.
But the people who whine the most (in my personal interactions) were the ones who worked from home and got stir crazy and were upset they couldnt go do stuff. even worse was the audacity of people who had the comfort of working from home bitching about how unfair it was they had to go back to the office when so many people never had the luxury of staying home to work. imo, the types of people who are/were the most vocal about how ~traumatic~ their cushiony lockdown situation was have probably never had anything bad happen to them and covid was their first wakeup call to reality
No. 1829337
>>1828873>>1829327It really depends, the pandemic fucked me over in a way that ruined my career plans for the rest of my life, same thing for two of my friends, and when I caught covid I was very sick for several months and it's a miracle I don't have long term symptoms after that. And a friend of mine lost three family members from the virus. I also had to worry about not contaminating my disabled mother because she would have died from that given how horrible her health is. It's not because of the lockdowns and curfews, it's really because of the pandemic itself, and you have to keep in mind that without these measures a lot more people would have died so I don't get these "it wasn't that bad, I thought more people would die" like yeah no shit, that would have been the case without emergency measures all over the world. I think the only people I see complaining about how traumatized from the pandemic they are without having real issues are all terminally online normies sad that they couldn't see their middle or high school classmates face to face on a daily basis as opposed to losing their jobs, becoming poor and worrying about homelessness, worrying about suffering from an unknown illness with no cure or vaccine (at the time obviously), being stuck at home while suffering from domestic violence, working at a hospital and being overworked, etc. Meanwhile irl people forgot about it or still indirectly suffer greatly from it, no in-between.
>in my opinion, the world desperately needed to change and the pandemic was the kickstart we needed to start living in the future.It changed for the worst though. The economy is still utterly fucked from the pandemic and the measures taken by most countries and none of that helped regarding current geopolitical issues. It's not even a wake up call for some governments so you still have a very low number of beds in hospitals and doctors for each patient in some countries unless you're willing to pay for private healthcare or you're about to die.
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What even was the deal with Dr. Fauci worship?
No. 1831975
>>1828873>>1829327Also chiming in here to say that the pandemic fucked me over in a similar way as
>>1829337 and it also screwed over my boyfriend, friends, and family members as well. I never got sick during the entirety of it, but my college shut down and I was in a really good program for my major with a nearly perfect GPA. Everyone went awol on me, including people high up in the school who I was on good terms with and prior to the shitshow we had plans to help out in the local community. This would've looked great on my resume and it would've been my first real project to oversee and I was very excited to do some good. My area stayed dictated by masking and lockdowns due to the proximity of military bases nearby. This included everything from schools to even basic shit like a Big Lots and grocery stores. I'm finally getting back on track after moving for the second time and I'm due to graduate by the end of next year, but its been fucking hell to get back to this point because tons of people really did use this as an excuse to shut down everything and not do their jobs. I don't think people realize how their reluctance to go back to work at vital services ended up fucking over everybody else or maybe they just didn't care. I know people who lost their jobs because of this.
No. 1833074
Forcing people to solely interact online made them forget they were interacting with actual people, people are far more cold in person now. I’ve definitely found myself being more harsh and direct than I used to be and try to reel it in- no in person interaction led to people being comfortable with saying and doing things and being able to ignore any consequences for others. I think it’s also lead to the deepening polarization of viewpoints and extreme tribalism. Everyone is petrified of being on the outside due to saying or thinking whatever wrong thing, so everyone clamors to say some sort of canned statement to make sure others view them as “on their team” so they don’t become an outcast, and believe forcing others to be outcasts protects them. Everyone just feels on edge, social contracts don’t exist anymore, absolutely no one trusts the government. Echoing the nona upthread, when they lied about the masks at the start of everything, the game was already over. That’s when if you pointed out the government lied to us, people would foam at the mouth to defend it and call you a Qanon supporter. My personal tinfoil is that it wasn’t to save supplies for hospitals, they didn’t want people to have a valid reason to not work/consoom and need to be supported, and they were hoping they could ignore everything. I absolutely took precautions with covid, but I also believe the heavy restrictions was more of the powers that be putting us in our place, and fighting against us to prove a point. Every politician absolutely hates the people that elected them. Covid forced everyone to truly acknowledge no one is going to save anyone, especially not anyone elected to do so- despite it being their job. It’s widespread hopelessness.
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Despite the increase in porn-sickness, things got worse in terms of sexlessness post pandemic, compared to previous generations, none of my friends, relatives, male and female dated much or had sex. Anecdotally, I don’t know any women my age who are these well adjusted, thriving, socially mobile individuals popular medias makes gen z girls out to be. Even when it looks like that from the outside, they’re actually struggling a lot, often have zero social circle just like guys. A lot of those girls on TikTok are actually socially isolated recluses , and im not saying this as a flippant guess lol.
moids my age and older people look at girls they scarcely know and assume she’s living a cushy dream, not realising she’s also a kissless virgin, also living in poverty/partially dependent on parents, also has no career prospects, also has very little social life…
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So many young girls I knew, in schools and even a few relatives, came out as non-binary during the quarantine; the stuff I thought only possible in tumblr cringe compilations suddenly became reality. A few quietly ended the LARP as they grew older, but many are still identifying as enbies and even transmen in their 20's.
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No. 1835167
>>1835112Cause they were all locked in watching gendie tiktoks and youtube.
More evidence that gender confusion is social contagion.
No. 1837494
>>1819931I see people doing it in service jobs and I don't blame them. Service jobs are a germ haven, if you want to mask up then be my guest
Also as other anons mentioned common practice in Asian countries to wear masks prior to the pandemic. It's not that weird
No. 1837514
>>1819899I feel like the impact on school children is hard to deal with. In my country we are still dealing with kids that are wayyy behind where they should be in terms of basic reading and writing. Also theres a concerning amount of children that have not returned back to school. Some state that they prefer online learning, a lot of parents don't seem overly forceful to put their kids back into school, though i suspect a lot of anxious/autistic kids have lost vital social skills that would make returning to school a nightmare for all involved.
(also slight tinfoil but i couldn't help raise an eyebrow when the first wave of people to "leave" quarantine were nursery aged kids. They are very snotty, germy and handsy by nature so it was lowkey
sus why we were sending 3 year olds to the "frontline" so to speak.)
No. 1837849
>>1837514>>1837800tbh I've seen plenty of teachers complaining about this way before the pandemic. It seems like the pandemic just accelerated something that was already there.
>though i suspect a lot of anxious/autistic kids have lost vital social skills that would make returning to school a nightmare for all involved. Autistic kids should never be in schools with normal kids tbh so that's not a big loss.
No. 1837933
>>1837445Ahh it's more like, hospitals were crawling with covid, covid ward or not, and were short staffed (consider how short staffed polish hospitals are even without a massive epidemic going on) so most people that needed urgent hospital care 1. didn't receive adequate care after they were admitted to a hospital 2. received hospital-grade covid infection. The cancellation of scheduled appointments and procedures wasn't even the main cause of massive mortality I think, though it will be felt for years in the future for sure. My post- 3 strokes grandma was admitted to a hospital with some cardiac event during winter of 2020 and discharged before Christmas, supposedly covid-free, after which she infected everyone in the family with covid and got admitted again, spent another few weeks there and died. My parents said after the 1st shorter stay she already had bedsores (!!!). My boyfriend's gran got admitted to a hospital for an urgent but simple procedure (which was performed succesfully btw), contracted covid and died way quicker than mine, just a week later. Both were shuffled around different hospitals for some reason, with hospital barely informing the family. My bf's mom only found out about her mother in law's actual state by talking to a random nurse from a clinic which is in the same building as her workplace - hospital wouldn't provide any information. What's amazing about all this is how there was literally 0 backlash from society at large about this, there must be thousand stories like these two, and people would still rather sperg about vaccines causing autism and limp dick than about the state of public healthcare in this supposedly european country.
No. 1845100
>>1842597In my experience only elementary/middle/non-competetive high school kids don't care if someone was sick. In universities people really get mad at sick people not staying home because we have attendance at most subjects and it gets troublesome if you catch something and have to miss classes or even worse, exams.
>>1842845It's so messed up how you have to pay for basic healthcare in so many countries
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Even though covid cases across the board have gone down there are still people who seem to wish that it was still pandemic-era
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>>1860307Stay at home and collect gibs. Who wouldn't.
I guess redditors also get off on policing other people.
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>>1860313we've discussed these people a few times already, they are genuinely mentally ill and seem to have other unaddressed issues.
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This may sound weird but I miss the masks. I could just assume everybody was attractive because I couldn't see how disproportionate all their features were. It also meant all of my autistic zoned out facial expressions were hidden from direct view. I would do dumb shit like let my mouth hang slightly open all day.
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>>1860445your guess is as good as mine, at least they're going out and doing something I guess.
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>>1860466sorry, i replied to the wrong post, i meant it for the one with the zerocovid redditors kek
No. 1869620
Covid really showed how easy people are to control. I didnt get vaccinated and had people screaming at me how Im a murdering others. My mother and grandma would call me crying and at that point I just lied to get then to shut up. Was banned from social events after general shutdowns stopped, which I know werent necessary but what if the ban was expanded to stuff like stores? All for experimental fucking vaccines from drug companies known to commit fraud. Some people I know who got vaccinated have actually gotten covid again with WORSE symptoms. I hope that is not generally how it works.
>>1860887>>1860870Australians really seemed to go full dystopian mode. And people still okay with it? Makes you wonder how far the leaders can take it without resistance.
No. 1869665
I don't get the anons saying people lost their minds and became assholes after the pandemic and lockdowns/curfews. If anything these people were already assholes and just decided that they didn't want to hide it anymore after all "they've been through" or they were already like this even before the pandemic but it's more obvious now because of the former people making them more assholes than before in total.
>>1869620No that's not how that generally works, the point of the vaccine is to make symptoms less severe if it's not enough to prevent an infection. Maybe your friends would have had very severe symptoms for all we know. I caught it when the vaccine didn't exist yet so it was really, really bad, and after getting vaccinated I never caught it again despite living with immunocompromised family members who caught it and from our doctors that's pretty normal. But then again the virud mutated in between and was less dangerous so it's kinda hard to say.
No. 1870237
>>1869665Nta but vaccines were supposed to avoid infection and spread altogether but they're changed that up like 10 times after they realized people have eyes so I can't blame the general population for not knowing kek. You could have high immunity because you got a bad infection the first time, that's how it was for my mother who got it bad (bad as in some respiratory issues that cleared up as soon as the right medication was given) and never got it again from other people even if she didn't get any more vaccines. I got it when vaccines weren't a thing and barely had a fever, other people I know keep up with vaccines and get it regularly and also get nasty flus. Honestly I think immunity from vaccines is pretty random if not near-useless, people got actual immunity after getting covid.
I get so tired of people saying "b-but if you didn't get the vaccines it could have been sooo much worse!!" when that can't be proven and covid has become so harmless that the seasonal flu is more lethal.
No. 1871438
>>1870237>You could have high immunity because you got a bad infection the first timeI doubt it because more than a year happened between when I recovered and when my parents caught a less dangerous strain, so I didn't have any antibody left inside me anymore at that point. If we remove the fact that I'm vaccinated in my case, the virus already mutated and became less dangerous at that point. By the way, I don't know if that's directly related but I waited some months before getting my first shot and I didn't get any side effect which I really suspected I would get at first since covid fucked me up for several months beforehand. What made me wait was seeing a bunch of women saying it made their period irregular, longer or way more intense, idk if that's the right word. I only heard about potential heart problems way later but it has affected me that way at all either.
>Nta but vaccines were supposed to avoid infection and spread altogether but they're changed that up like 10 times after they realized people have eyes so I can't blame the general population for not knowing kek.>covid has become so harmless that the seasonal flu is more lethal.My parents gets the vaccine for the flu every winter because of their health issues and it's meant to lessen symptoms, not make you immune. I was paying attention to the pandemic a lot back then because I moved to another place to get a job after graduating and I suspected it could ruin all my plans
and it did and from what I remember once the vaccine was accessible to everyone in my country and not just people working in healthcare and immunocompromised people it was "advertised" the same way. Since a lot of countries handled the pandemic in very different ways I wouldn't be surprised if the vaccine was advertised as making vaccinated people totally immune.
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No. 1871758
>>1871684The virus mutated naturally at some point by fusing with the flu, allegedly it happened in south africa. That was the start of the "omicron" strains. The vaccines didn't do shit.
What was funny was that at some point authorities were forcing people to take the vaccine for the "first covid" (which wasn't even really the first covid, the vaccines contain some random ass sequence, they guessed like they do with the flu) while the "first covid" was already non-existent. For like 6 months they were getting people vaccinated for an illness that didn't exist anymore.
>>1871438>Since a lot of countries handled the pandemic in very different ways I wouldn't be surprised if the vaccine was advertised as making vaccinated people totally immune.Yeah, advertised that way by the ones producing it kek. They're been awfully shady and it was insane how they were trying to gaslight people when they changed their minds. It will give you total immunity for a year! No actually 40% for 6 months! Alrigh maybe 10% but it's essential for vulnerable people! Oh yeah but we didn't really test it on vulnerable people… still, get pregnant women and children vaccinated!! What? You got it a week after vaccination? And you had to go to the hospital? W-well it would have been worse of you didn't take it!!
>doubt it because more than a year happened between when I recovered and when my parents caught a less dangerous strain, so I didn't have any antibody left inside me anymore at that pointThat's not how immunity really works. The actual antibodies leave the body a few days after you're cured, but your brain "remembers" the virus and in case it comes in contact with it again, it will be able to produce the right immune response quickly and in a stable manner. There were studies on this early on as well, even referencing people who had gotten the sars in 2003 still being able to produce antibodies. That's why it was especially useless to vaccinate healthy people who had already gotten covid, and there were many doctors in my country advising not to take it in that case because they suspected it could have been dangerous.
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is LongCOVID actually real?
No. 1921619
>>1921576>>1921582It’s ME/CFS caused by Covid, simple as. Any virus/illness/major life stressor can
trigger ME/CFS, although some things are much more likely to
trigger it, like mono and as it so happens, COVID.
No. 1921849
The education system is fucked. No motivation or self-discipline from students whatsoever. Not to blame them, but a lot of it does come from home life. Parents have likely contributed by not being a great example of discipline and determination. In elementary schools, you can see many students from grade 2 - 5 can barely write legibly, even correct spelling is at a low. I've seen numerous videos people working in high schools saying many students cannot form complete sentences. It's really disheartening.
I remember being in 3rd grade and vocabulary words we learned were things like "satisfaction", "confidence", "organization" and many of us passed with flying colors after a week of studying the words. 3rd graders now struggle spelling words like "focus", "box", and "dog" and these spelling mistakes are on projects taped in the hallways.
For the musician side of things, students are not practicing. Not even for a minimum of 10 minutes every couple days in between weekly lessons and this is something supposed to be agreed upon between the teacher, parent, and child. The teacher can't help the student progress if in a week's time they're stuck on the same position as they were previously and have already been given the tools and tips on how to work on advancing.
Also, more students are claiming of boredom, meanwhile the world being so full of things to do, especially when physically around friends, they start reaching for their chromebooks as a first means to satisfy that boredom.
No. 1921937
>>1921699By medication I also meant the infusions which worked very well (super fun fact, at some point a company offered a huge amount of those antibody infusions to my government for free and they turned them down saying they needed to focus on vaccinations instead) and you know they worked because every old ass politician or actor that got covid would buy them and they'd be fine in a few days kek. But we also used anti-inflammatory medicines early on like cortisone, another one was the Anakinra which they approved for covid only in 2022, then there was Sitagliptin that's used for diabetes. Ivermectin had some good results in america apparently. The thing was that doctors were trying to find treatments and actually had good results but they were punished for it because they had to follow useless protocols.
They also found out that putting people in respirators when it wasn't fully necessary actually harmed them more.
No. 1922159
>>1921852Previous generations use to literally kick their kids out and tell them to fuck off kek. The school system nowadays has disproportionate consequences for failure and common core completely ruined it even more
I saw this as an eldest sibling btw including to kids who are still in school. I remember back in my day I could fail a class or two and it's no big deal, now curriculum has gotten overly clogged with random shit especially for children that want to go to college, and then even failing a single class means you'd have to drop out of college programs. There's way more homework and projects, stricter punishments and rules for meaningless crap and now that technology is required in schools it's even worse. I think a lot of the "bad kid" situations are just situations of "you keep telling a kid they'll bad and they'll actually become it"
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The pandemic honestly ruined everything for me personally, fandom and groups hobbies are now filled with random retards confusing the markets.
No. 1933334
>>1933262It's probably demographics of your area I guess. Here nobody has done much masking for years. Even during the lockdown when there were people getting sick en mass in my workspace people would brag abouy not washing their hands and pretend-cough on others, it was deranged. Covid hypochondriacs are a self correcting problem for me, they just deleted themselves from the public space so I don't really care what they're up to.
For stuff like pollen, taking the mask on/off risks getting pollen and stuff inside the car/on my hands and face, and it's just not worth the hassle for me if I have to get back out quickly. So even silly looking car-mask people might have an understandable reason.
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No. 1961707
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>>1949951I thought most maskers were just smug liberal, but I realize now the majority of them just had pre-existing psychological issues.
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>>1961707This is honestly so true. Pic related, she went viral on right wing Twitter for being a greasy enby who’s obsessed with COVID and she still seems to be punching the air.