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No. 1852408

This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse, particularly that which has a twitter or tumblr flavour to it.

Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping
> Ao3 Censorship and TOS
> Sapphic Underrepresentation in Fandom
> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads
> Whitewashing vs Blackwashing
> ‘[Insert Sexuality]-Coded’ Characters
> Sapphic vs Fujo Misogyny Accusations
Previous thread >>1834664

No. 1852418

re: female MC being attractive

just look at previous threads where people are using fat and ugly as insults, most women dont want to read about "ugly" female characters either. people still mock lena dunham for pairing herself off with adam driver in hbo's girls. when amy schumer starred in a romcom she was paired off with bill hader, not chris hemsworth. even mid women know they'll be laughed at if they try to fantasize themselves with a hot man unless they are also hot. its female socialization at work.

No. 1852420

>>1852418
No one is asking for ugly MCs we just want what men get with their characters but for women.

No. 1852421

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>>1852409
>when you hate female written MCs that look like women and are liked by women but simp male stand-ins written by moids like Druckman and Hirano

Is this feminism?

No. 1852426

>>1852421
No one is taking uwu pink Mary sues away from you, retard. You can relax(infighting)

No. 1852432

So men get to have the handsome, muscular mcs but women have to accept the average Jane who's miserable with her life and hasn't bathed in days because of her severe depressive episodes and smells of stale cigarettes. No one wants your lives anon, just accept some of us want the cooler/beautiful versions of ourselves as mcs.

No. 1852433

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The whole female MC's argument always makes me feel like an alien because I actually like characters that look like this kek (spoilered for very scrotebait design)

No. 1852436

>>1852426
if someone here said they wish there were more chubby shojo MCs they'd get laughed at and mocked but the people asking for more GNC shojo protags get to exist with no criticism? most GNC women arent interested in men so there isnt a strong demand for it. and it doesnt help that men have sexualized "tomboy gf" now.

No. 1852439

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TIL nonas can't understand that their thoughts and opinions (e.g. beauty standards) are ultimately shaped and influenced by the systems they live under. femininity commodification is also too hard a concept to grasp and accept

No. 1852440

>>1852421
>descarga
please dont be from my hispanic shithole you dont represent us

No. 1852441

To be completely honest, as far as female characters go if I were to be asked, I'd like them princely . As far as shoujo, I'd want them to be energetic and rough, but with a bit of fashion, think 90s/early 00s style.

No. 1852443

>>1852439
she thinks that anything that isnt hyperfeminine moidgazey=ugly. It's worthless to discuss with her because she thinks gnc women are an attack to her femininity.

No. 1852444

>>1852439
It's just the libfem shitting up the thread who still hasn't understood she and the characters she likes don't exist in a vacuum

No. 1852445

>>1852439
the ideal female protagonist according to LC: A man

No. 1852451

>>1852446
its the least a homestuckfag deserves

No. 1852453

>>1852439
what happens when after i examine by preferences for femininity/pretty characters and i still like them? am i sent to feminist reeducation camp?

>>1852444
there has to be a happy medium between "bimbo tradthot" and "female character who wears suits, acts like a man, is completely masculine"

No. 1852455

i can just hide the image. go to hell

No. 1852458

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>>1852441
>princely
I was in love with her

No. 1852460

>>1852458
this is peak female character design

No. 1852461

>>1852421
These people have no problem with their standard, run of the mill precious uwu twinks and daddy long legs built ass doms but lord forbid a woman is drawn as attractive.

No. 1852463

>>1852459
moid tier chimpout

No. 1852465

>>1852433

that drawing is an atractive woman and is drawn by a woman so its obviously problematic according to Nonna logic.

Only acceptable female MCs look like men and are written by men, get it right.

No. 1852466

>>1852461
Your issue is that to you "attractive" exclusively means hyperfeminine

No. 1852469

aw i liked asuka better

No. 1852471

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>>1852453
> i examine my preferences for femininity/pretty characters and i still like them
good for you! i like tons of scrote media (k-on and moeblob cgdct shows and bishojo games, for example) but i don't try to deny that they're scrote shit.
>acts like a man, is completely masculine
once again, men can be feminine and women can be masculine. you seem to be stuck in girl = pink and blue = boy territory, grow out of it

No. 1852473

>>1852465
i would love to know what offends you so much. I genuinely cannot imagine getting offended over women asking for a crumb of what men get.

No. 1852476

>>1852473
it's probably a troll based off of how they're typing.

No. 1852477

>>1852466
a woman simply having breasts is enough to label her hyperfeminine here lol(bait)

No. 1852479

>>1852477
integra has breasts

No. 1852480

>>1852477
retard

No. 1852484

>>1852466
And? It's a cartoon character. I can have unrealistic standards for my female mcs lol. It's almost like I can differentiate between a fantasy and not like, put that expectation on myself or any other woman irl.

No. 1852487

>>1852484
yet you call any character that isnt big titted pink uguu loli ugly lol

No. 1852492

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>>1852487
you literally simp for Abby from TLouII

No. 1852493


No. 1852498

>>1852493
Your ideal is some moid written hulk of a man with female pronouns , can't stop shitting on female artists and female shoujo fans, just say you hate women and want to troon out already.(infighting)

No. 1852499

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>>1852418
have you considered that lena dunham and amy schumer were mocked because they suck ass and people hate them in general?
i've never seen anyone complain about the movie spy for instance, where jason statham and melissa mccarthy get together, because melissa mccarthy is cool.

No. 1852500

>>1852498
you might want to sit down for this, but some women find other women attractive and that includes gnc ones

No. 1852501

>>1852498
I think you're the one who hates women if you think women can't look like Abby

No. 1852502

>>1852487
Only because you all think every female character that doesn't fit into your narrow gaze is the second coming of Satan and causing women to chop their tits off.

No. 1852504

>>1852499
1. jason statham is not hot
2. the opening of the movie has her character in love with jude law and that is played for laughs because how could a fat woman be interested in jude law??

No. 1852506

>>1852504
jason statham is considered an attractive dude by normies and he's certainly better than adam driver

No. 1852507

>>1852499
I don't watch 3DPD but that dude is ugly. What are you even talking about?

No. 1852509

To the nonnie saying "pretty is a male construct." I want to know what is your definition of "pretty," both in the 2D and 3D sense. You claim it's all based on what the patriarchal society pushes as pretty, so I want to know what non-patriarchal pretty looks like to you.

No. 1852510

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>>1852501
>the ideal woman is a man
and so it continues

No. 1852512

30 min in and it's a shit thread

No. 1852513

>>1852506
at the bare minimum adam driver isnt balding, come on

No. 1852514

>>1852509
she already said is Abby, literal male worship

No. 1852515

>>1852502
i never said that i just said i wished we got one single female kirito i never wanted to take your generic big titty mary sues away

No. 1852517

>>1852506
>jason statham is considered an attractive dude by normies
male beauty standars are so low nowadays dear lord he looks disgusting

No. 1852518

>>1852513
Adam Driver is fucking ugly. Don't start defending hideous men. They're both ugly but one is uglier than the other.

No. 1852519

>>1852510
You're the one who keeps replying to me thinking I'm the person you were arguing with earlier

No. 1852526

>>1852509
>beauty is when big titty coombait
>uglyness is when woman in suit

No. 1852528

>>1852517
yes
the point is that no one complained about a fat lady and a "conventional hot" guy

No. 1852529

>>1852528
he isnt conventionally hot lol

No. 1852533

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>>1852515
That reminds me of how Re:Zero had a genderbent universe story. Wears the maid outfit instead of the butler fit though, so I guess it might be too scrotey.

No. 1852534

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>>1852509
it doesn't exist in the same way non-patriarchal femininity doesn't exist. we generally consider things pretty, beautiful, etc. because >>1852439.

see picrel. if you were born in the heian period you'd see black teeth as being totes feminine and "pretty" + scrambling to cover your face in flour. this is just basic shit nona

No. 1852535

>>1852526
I'm asking with full sincerity, not with vitriol. If she wants to make the claim that our definition of pretty has been tainted and molded by men, I'd like to see what's supposedly the non-male pushed beauty. I want to see her perspective. Hell, it may even match what I find attractive.

No. 1852538

>>1852534
>everyone would totally consider my hairy 400 pound body beautiful if they were gaslighted enough
and so goes the cope

No. 1852540

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>>1852533
i dont think you understand whats male gaze and what isnt. A maid outfit isnt inherently male gazey.

No. 1852541

>>1852538
No need for fatphobia

No. 1852542

>>1852534
but beauty standards arent universal or mandatory. kim kardashian, some argue, is held up as the pinnacle of beauty. does this mean every woman on earth has a BBL? does this mean there are no skinny women who are considered famous and pretty?

No. 1852543

>>1852504
i wouldn't say it's entirely played for laughs, you just don't understand the genius that is spy.

No. 1852545

>>1852529
anon. you are genuinely an idiot. so let me explain for you
you said "everyone hated on lena dunham for shipping herself with adam driver"
adam driver is marginally less conventional than jason statham
therefore the comparison was made that no one cared about melissa and him because people like melissa
i hope you understand
i will no longer be here to explain it more slowly for you because i have to leave this thread before i lose more braincells

No. 1852546

>>1852515
Gross. He's probably the worse dude you could pick. And even he's still a generic Gary stu.

No. 1852549

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I don't play western garbage why does Abby's design cause so much seethe? The male MC is the most hideous thing in existence but I have never seen anyone chimpout over his design.

No. 1852553

>>1852546
female kirito or kirito with long hair or whatever anon posted las thread looked rad and miles more interesting than your average female mc

No. 1852554

>>1852545
im not reading that

No. 1852557

>>1852554
Nta but my little sister has dyslexia too, that’s rough. Hope you get better

No. 1852558

>>1852549
because moids dictate what's beautiful and what isnt. It's why anon is chimping out at women who want cool(to her, ugly) female mc.

No. 1852559

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>>1852540
I meant specifically the maid outfit from the show, I don't really care for it myself.

No. 1852561

>>1852542
how does this thought experiment relate to the point of you finding x thing pretty because of the society you grew up in

No. 1852562

>>1852559
mey rin's maid outfit looks cooler

No. 1852570

>>1852534
Beauty standards aren't necessarily the same even within the same country. Black teeth may be something rich people saw as beautiful because they could afford the substance to put on their teeth, but lower classes may see the black and assume rot.

In modern Japan, crooked canines are considered feminine and youthful. In the US, crooked teeth is associated with poor health and poverty (as in too poor to fix your teeth). In Europe, orthodontics isn't mandatory unless there is a real medical reason for it. So even in our modern era with internet and all, we still have a difference in beauty standards and not everyone agrees with it either, even if they are exposed to it constantly.

No. 1852580

>>1852570
cool, how does this show non-patriarchal standards of "prettiness"/femininity exist or otherwise relate to my post

No. 1852584

>>1852562
Yeah, the rezero maid outfit was a pure marketing gimmick.
Classic maid outfits are much better.

No. 1852596

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>post women you find pretty
I think anime is horrible for this since the entire medium is moid gaze so you'll likely have to venture outside of it for good examples. Anyways I find women like Kristen Stewart, Winona Ryder, and that lady from The Shining to all be very pretty.

No. 1852603

>the entire medium is moid gaze
The history of anime has really been wiped of its past, hasn't it…

No. 1852604

>>1852549
Personally, I just think that the chances of a woman in a post-apocalypse setting with no protein bars or steroids being able to get that bulky is a bit much. It's not super bad or ugly, but it just felt like an odd design choice. If anything someone in that type of environment would be more lean and muscled.

No. 1852605

>>1852603
the very first mahou shoujo was made by a guy known as the father of lolicon

No. 1852609

>>1852604
I haven’t played the game so I don’t know much but the picture before, but is she really that muscled? I’ve seen women built like that who don’t go to the gym, so long as she has enough to eat it’s believable to me. If they were starving I assume she’d be more thin and lean.

No. 1852610

>>1852603
You know you can just reply right? Anyways I like manga and some older anime, but nowadays even the romance anime is male targeted. Bleak. I feel like they're purposefully pushing women out of the industry and the audience

No. 1852614

>>1852605
And? Was Year 24 secretly all lolicon men too? Clamp was full of pickmes back in the day?
I guess it doesn't matter if a man comes in and calls dibs.

No. 1852618

>>1852603
any nona who says this doesn't actually watch anime with any regularity

No. 1852622

>>1852609
ayrt, I don't think it's super unrealistic but more overall and odd choice. It's also the writing that doesn't help, as she comes across very aggressive.

No. 1852626

>>1852614
sakura cardcaptor has a little girl falling in love with her teacher

No. 1852631

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>>1852432
>men get to have the handsome, muscular mcs
The handsome, muscular male mc in question

No. 1852632

>>1852614
A lot of old shoujo was weird as hell you don't need to pretend. But I do agree about clamps designs being very good and not too coomery.

No. 1852635

>>1852610
>>1852610
I just don't like this attitude of women getting pushed out, only for people to turn and say "it's a moid gaze medium anyway, a lolicon came by and now its only for them."
It's says doormat to me.

No. 1852637

>>1852631
This manga is too coomer but the two main characters are pretty endearing, the art is really nice too.

No. 1852641

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>>1852614
>>1852632
Let's just say japan in general has some weird sexual issues that it needs to work out, probably the only decent critiques of these issues come from Japanese Marxists. Samezō Kuruma described post-war Japan as basically an overgrown fetus that refuses to leave its mother's womb, a society that is still extremely sexually repressed but also dealing with hyper capitalism, consumerism and sexualization all at once.

No. 1852643

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>>1852458
Her and King are such good designs. Cute!

No. 1852646

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>>1852465
Based - anything drawn by women must never be questioned and should be absolved from all kinds of criticism. Only insecure aidens and tifs will feel threatened from pic related.

No. 1852647

>>1852643
They could never design a woman this well today without including retarded gendie pronouns. So sad.

No. 1852653

I hope you people realize that you’re being continuously baited by a retard who’s purposely giving themselves away with quirky typing errors and reddit spacing

No. 1852655

>>1852653
And who most certainly has a scrotum and penis.

No. 1852658

>>1852646
You couldn't spoil this?
What's up with responding with sexualized children as a comeback?

No. 1852661

>>1852646
sniffs trapschizo/pakichan?

No. 1852666

>>1852641
Yeah, Japan is filled with turbo pickmes as well who'd rather draw loli hentai for scrotes than femgaze content for other women. At least they managed to have gigabased Asada Nemui who I can tell is itching to write the femgaze yuri manga of her dreams

No. 1852668

>>1852580
It's like I said before, damned if you do, damned if you don't. You're no different from that quote anon posted in the previous thread. No matter what a woman says or does, it will always have some male gaze/male influence behind it. She is never independent.

No. 1852669

>>1852666
Im interested in her new work, but please don't bring up Asada Nemui as a way to push other women down as pickmes.

No. 1852671

>>1852669
Tell me how the loli hentai panderers aren't pickmes

No. 1852673

>>1852671
Name the modern day artists you're calling pickmes.
Not just >>1852646 either.

No. 1852676

>>1852673
Nta but the mangaka of My dress up darling, for starters

No. 1852679

>>1852676
She drew loli hentai?
I thought it was just about sfw romcom about cosplay.

No. 1852680

>>1852679
>sfw
Well, not actually hentai is what I meant.

No. 1852681

>>1852673
Maybe not mangaka but like every loli vtuber in existence

No. 1852684

>shitting on female creators using other female creators
And a thread back nona was saying we weren't as tough on women as we are with men.

No. 1852685

>>1852641
>Marxists
the people who have proved they know how to run a succesful society and how to improve hobbies. Really , i mean…

No. 1852688

>>1852684
this place rarely practices what it preaches. Like how this whole thread and the last one is talking about how ugly female MCs should exist, while half the threads on this site are about how the woman in question is ugly and also her thighs look fat in this picture rather then actual milk.

No. 1852689

>>1852688
You know that different anons post on different boards, right?

No. 1852696

>>1852679
There are so many female mangaka that draw loli hentai. Sekiya Asami, Norio Sakurai are some that I have heard of.

No. 1852698

>>1852689
>different boards
Florence Pugh getting called frumpy and fat is like one thread over, tbf.

No. 1852699

>>1852698
Celebricows shouldn't even be here tbf.

No. 1852702

>>1852698
im really curios as to why anons here seem to hate her so much, she just seems like an average looking woman to me.

No. 1852703

>>1852696
Disgusting pickmes, shouldn't be allowed to draw at all.

No. 1852706

>>1852689
I wouldn't be surprised that some of the nonas preaching about having ugly female MCs are the same who go on to complain about fat thighs and frumpy figures in another thread. It's just their own personal insecurities prompting them to lash out in both directions, and lolcow is an easy place to do that.

No. 1852712

Doesn't Asada Nemui draw shota and rape? At least, her nake leads are quite small.

No. 1852713

>>1852702
I always assume it's someone who looks similar to her who is taking out some self-loathing.

No. 1852714

>>1852703
only western male feminists should make female characters tbh(bait)

No. 1852715

>>1852706
Do you have brain damage? In the previous thread, it was the yumefag who was constantly calling others ugly and fat. Anons who wanted plainer female MCs did not retort to catty name-calling.

No. 1852719

>>1852703
I don't think any of you know what pickme means at this point. Who the fuck are they hoping will pick them by drawing child porn? sweaty obese scrotes? Some women are just fucked in the head

No. 1852720

>>1852712
>shota
not that i know of, unless you consider high school boys shota
>rape
that's 80% of female written erotica. either way she's pandering to women and not men so i don't care

No. 1852726

>>1852714
>seething brainlet keeps strawmanning

No. 1852742

>>1852715
There might be a little brain damage, yeah. My bad.

No. 1852746

It's all fiction, literally who gives a shit, it's not real

No. 1852749

>>1852712
Who cares about rape. A lot of women like men x men rape.

No. 1852750

>>1852746
The people who make and consume fiction are very much real. That's literally the thread topic

No. 1852758

>>1852685
in the case of Japan, who else?

No. 1852759

>>1852749
To be fair the thread so far has basically been "women are bad for liking/wanting thing" on both sides.

No. 1852768

>>1852746
I'm so confused what's even being discussed at this point. Like mary sues vs plain mobs? They are both going to be in some braindead escapist fantasy anyway, I really can't relate to feeling too strongly about it. And anyone is free to complain about anything, but the animanga industry doesn't care what anyone here thinks, individual japanese (or korean or chinese) artists also don't care, most don't even know what you people are saying, you can call them pickmes or whatever else, nothing changes.

No. 1852773

>>1852685
lol are you serious even the most anti communist can admit that soviets contributed greatly when it came to arts, science, sports ect

No. 1852774

>>1852768
The point is, even in womens media, female characters are often drawn for the male gaze and anons want something different. Maybe we could've had an actual conversation if it didn't get derailed but this site is a hellhole

No. 1852775

>>1852749
I have no sympathy for real men, much less fictional men, so yeah. I like reading men raping men. Call me whatever you want, I don't care.

No. 1852779

>>1852774
Okay? You don't need to diss them back, if someone likes pinky dressy characters but respects your tastes what's the problem? This is supposed to be fun, everyone likes different stuff

No. 1852782

>>1852779
>You don't need to diss them back, if someone likes pinky dressy characters but respects your tastes what's the problem?
>Respects your tastes
Read the previous thread

No. 1852788

>>1852779
There was at least one anon in the previous thread calling everynonna that wanted a plain jane mc an aiden/tif

No. 1852791

>>1852668
you're like a brick wall kek
so fucking braindead, read a book

No. 1852794

>>1852788
>t. calls everyone who enjoys pretty characters a pick me moidgazer (bait/infighting)

No. 1852795

>>1852782
I mean, according to you, anything but a GNC character is inherently ass and lame, like it matters? It's just preferences why are we fighting about this again?(infighting)

No. 1852802

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>>1852788
I still think it's in part a problem with villianess/saintess being the main go to for a good deal of female content. They specifically point to the pretty dresses as being necessary.

No. 1852805

>me: femininity is a patriarchal construct; standards such as 'prettiness' and 'beauty' generally being based on how feminine you are and/or how much you fit the standard baseline of whatever your patriarchal society dictates as being Pretty or Beautiful means that they are ALSO patriarchal constructs. nothing wrong with that, enjoy what you like, but be honest and realize that you find the girly girl shit ""pretty"" because that's what you've been told to find pretty (and ideal for a woman) all your life, as a woman under patriarchy.

>nonas: apparently totally unable to refute or actually address the point um but beauty standards are….le different?! aren't you just CONTROLLING women?! what do you MEAN people are influenced by culture and society? WTF?!

No. 1852808

>>1852805
Telling people that they only like something because they're actually brainwashed would make them feel a little insulted, yeah.

No. 1852811

>>1852805
Why do type like that? Are you autistic?

No. 1852814

>>1852805
yes anon, men created women and everything that passes through a woman's head is defined by men. Women must reject being women and act like men

This is somehow very empowering feminist thinking according to your self hating smug ass with one foot into transing to Tif.

No. 1852815

>>1852805
Why are you so conflictive? Like, what do you gain by fighting these hypothetical people just because they don't like what you like?

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>>1852774
The thing is, does female media like josei manga really care about the male gaze and catering to men? I never seen moids give a single fuck about art and comics like picrel, even if the female mc is a beautiful kawaii woman with big boobs.
It's like some artstyles simppy keep moids away.

Also, I took picrel from DLsite garumani and I find that there's more variety in erotic content for women than I remember. Lots of anonymous plain janes and pov femdom stuff among the usual josei stories.

No. 1852818

>>1852811
It's an infight over what kind of self insert is the most righteous, we are all autistic. But yeah that anon might be a bit more autistic than most

No. 1852819

>>1852808
how are you even on this site if you can't accept female socialization being a thing, though? i mean i genuinely do not understand how it's a tough concept to grasp

>>1852815
>fighting these hypothetical people
girl they're not hypothetical, just see
>>1852668
>>1852570
>>1852542
and check the last thread.

No. 1852820

>>1852805
>aren't you just CONTROLLING women?
>says the anon mad because she can't control what female artists find pretty

No. 1852821

Something tells me the fujosperg is nearby

No. 1852823

>>1852820
>hallucinating things i never said
sasuga

No. 1852824

>>1852816
unless the MC is a roided hipermasculine ogre then you and the woman who drew it are just brainwashed into liking it and only like it to please men somehow.

That anon literally goes through life thinking like that.

No. 1852825

>>1852819
>how are you even on this site if you can't accept female socialization being a thing, though?
How are you on this site if you don't see the constant shit flinging back and forth about this concept and how its used as an insult?

No. 1852829

>>1852816
The argument is that creating conventionally attractive female characters is a product of patriarchy. I particularly don't see how a female author can avoid this at all while still creating male love interests tho, even if the female character is plain or ugly.

No. 1852830

>>1852816
From random online reactions, much of the time malr otaku are surprised and also weirdly mad about it.

No. 1852831

>>1852825
and it being an insult nullifies or degrades the concept how…?

No. 1852832

>>1852831
Well, my original point is that being shocked that people are arguing against you is pretty retarded.

No. 1852834

>>1852458
Literally one of the best characters in anime

No. 1852836

>>1852819
i totally imagine you going around a food court, seeing some girl buying a chocolate ice cream and going

>hey , you don't really want that, you don't like chocolate ice cream, you only think you like it because patriarchy has fooled you into thinking you do. Buy the tartat sauce sardine flavored ice cream, its the correct one because thats the specific one I like, Listen to me, i am very smart Tips fedora

No. 1852839

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>>1852805
I find girly girl shit pretty because I find it pretty, cute and pleasant.
I also like androgynous looks and women's in men's clothes.
But by your logic everything we like is due to a social construct and a response to the tiny moid living in our head, so what are we gonna do about it?

No. 1852843

What if an artist is just bisexual with very trashy taste?

No. 1852848

This was never a girly girl vs butch debate until a salty anon got offended and made it about it. Anons were just discussing about the lack of variety in female mc and anon took it as a personal attack to her femininity and started calling any female character that wasnt princess peach tier feminine an ugly tumblr obese dyke for some reason.

No. 1852849

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hm.

No. 1852850

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idk about the rest of you or this thread but picrel is peak female character design for me

No. 1852854

>>1852848
The Tumblr types who make being hyperfeminine their whole personality are all like this. Can't handle one shred of criticism or even just indifference towards their aesthetic and just start lashing out like tards and take it as a slight against themselves. God forbid other women aren't into pink shit and want to see a different type of woman from time to time.

No. 1852856

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>>1852839
see >>1852471

>>1852832
i'm not shocked that they're arguing against me, i'm shocked that's it from the standpoint that they haven't been socialized into certain behaviors and mindsets like most people on earth

>>1852829
>conventionally attractive
who decides what's conventionally attractive in a woman, generally?
>I particularly don't see how a female author can avoid this at all
you can't. you can try making gnc protags (haruhi) but you can't opt into femininity without also obeying patriarchy. that said, i do like protags like yoko (12 kingdoms) and yona (visually); they're cute but not in a waifu way, and they're not so ""feminine"" that they look like straight up sparkly bimbo caricatures

No. 1852857

>>1852849
i remember when i was a child i watched nostalgia chick's top 10 male cartoon crushes and i left so ashamed of my fellow women because frollo was top 1 kek. I wish i could find the video.

No. 1852860

>>1852850
i like the witch designs too

No. 1852861

>>1852854
Who are you even arguing with anymore
>>1852850
>Skirts
Uh-oh…

No. 1852863

>>1852843
No such thing. They have either been socialized into being bisexual or they're doing it for cash.(samefagging/infighting)

No. 1852864

>>1852856
Wait, so there's no such thing as enjoying natural femininity without the socialization forced by men as it's all a product of the patriarchy?

No. 1852866

>>1852864
define natural femininity

No. 1852867

>>1852850
I think this is the difference, female character designs that fit their personality and just feel like actual girls or women. Sometimes my brain freaks out seeing female character designs that don’t look like they were created from the heterosexual man’s idea of women. Ie the mother, the sexual object, the hag etc

No. 1852868

>>1852850
These are wonderful designs

No. 1852872

>>1852864
femininity isn't natural so yeah, no such thing kek

No. 1852873

>>1852867
Samefag, it’s not about masculinity vs femininity, just the authentic variation male designs are graced with.

No. 1852876

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>>1852848
>calling any female character that wasnt princess peach tier feminine an ugly tumblr obese dyke for some reason.
>Literally Shilled ABBY as a good female MC
the jokes write themselves

No. 1852878

>>1852866
I guess something like >>1852816, clothing, hairstyles, body types, that would normally be described as feminine without thinking much on it, hence "naturally".
There's no way to like that without it being a product of male socialization?

No. 1852880

>>1852867
exactly
most yume designs are meant to be "the girl"

No. 1852882

>>1852878
According to anon's logic, everything is a product of patriarchy

No. 1852883

File: 1705187652659.jpg (65.32 KB, 512x800, f048ba79797d17e8860f0e578b5210…)

>>1852868
Barbara Canepa draws a lot of sexy women, literally pickme. MOID GAZE, MOID GAZE CANCELLED

No. 1852884

>>1852872
That reminded me of those moid arguments about how femininity isn't real, women are just disfigured men.

No. 1852885

File: 1705187677659.jpg (95.5 KB, 364x364, princess knight.jpg)

>>1852873
this, plus gnc designs can also be beautiful

No. 1852886

>>1852883
whats sexy about this kek

No. 1852888

>>1852884
are you confusing femininity and femaleness?

No. 1852889

>>1852887
i think that anon that said that >>1852883 is a BPD-chan that can only think in black and white is right

No. 1852890

>>1852886
she has big boobs anon, that means she is a whore designed only for men lust and a product of patriarchy, there's literally no other reason. You are just to socialized female to see it(infighting)

No. 1852891

>>1852883
Akshually that's Barbucci who's a man, but that was drawn under Canepa's direction.
In fact, Barbucci originally drew the W.I.T.C.H. when transformed much more coomery, but Canepa and the other female co-creator of W.I.T.C.H. pulled his ear and forced him to listen to their suggestions.

No. 1852892

>>1852878
women don't pop out of the womb with long glossy hair and halter top dresses + chokers so none of the shit in the picture is natural

>>1852883
i actually don't find anything moid-y about this art or witch kek. this piece in particular isn't remotely sexualized to me

No. 1852894

>>1852887
>women don't pop out of the womb with long glossy hair and halter top dresses + chokers so none of the shit in the picture is natural
So women should return to monke and be naked and unwashed at all times , big thunk

No. 1852895

>>1852890
you are so fucking mentally ill. Big boob women are natural, she isnt even wearing revealling clothes or showing the cleavage like >>1852816

No. 1852896

>>1852887
I said "what would be called feminine without much thought" as in it naturally comes off the tongue as a word to describe it. Sorry for not being more clear.

No. 1852897

>>1852882
>everything is a product of patriarchy
most things are, yes!

No. 1852899

>>1852878
>Clothing, hairstyles
Nothing natural about this. Men used to wear dresses frills and long hair in the past. Pink was a color for boys.

No. 1852900

>>1852863
You guys are getting paid to be bisexual?

No. 1852901

>>1852894
some anons would rather cope and seethe into oblivion than accept they are wrong. Why are you even so angry, big titty coomerbait uberfeminine female characters are dime a dozen, they arent getting censored or taken away.

No. 1852902

>>1852900
Why not.

No. 1852903

>>1852895
>you are so fucking mentally ill.
Thats literally the level of logic used in both of these threads, she is conventionally pretty with big booba so it must obviously be trash for socialized pick mes who don't know better.

No. 1852904


No. 1852906

>>1852897
No, all things are. Being a woman is the product of a man's sperm giving our mother the X chromosome. Motherhood is the patriarchy because men made women pregnant in the first place.

No. 1852907

>>1852816
Occasionally you'll find some on /a/, but for the most part the only female media scrotes have any interest in is mahou shoujo like precure and sakura.

No. 1852909

>>1852897
So, men are right.
I guess that's that.

No. 1852910

>>1852903
if women arent socialized to like >>1852816 then why arent male self inserts pretty boys with sexy abs and long hair that are also vampires instead of ugly bastards or generic black haired teens?

No. 1852911

>>1852900
everything is socialization even having a vagina. If you weren't socialized as female you would naturally grow a penis and the only reason you don't is because patriarchy. Otherwise men are women are exactly the same which is to say woman are just debased men

^this is what some nonnas actually think

No. 1852912

Yes, masculinity and femininity are completely constructed. Why do you think we laugh at gendies so much? Because they can't separate gender roles and stereotypes from biological sex

No. 1852913

>>1852911
no one thinks that what the fuck

No. 1852914

>>1852913
It's what the other anon was heavily implying.

No. 1852916

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>>1852910
Araragi is a pretty boy with sexy abs and long hair that is also a vampire though

No. 1852917

>>1852914
kek, no, you just have terrible reading comprehension

No. 1852918

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>>1852910
>why arent male self inserts pretty boys with sexy abs and long hair that are also vampires

No. 1852919

>>1852916
he's a pedophile, anon…

No. 1852921

I must be out of the loop or under a rock but what is the Ao3 censorship? It feels like they're one of the last sites with freedom of posting. (Even the gross pedi shit, but I feel like you can avoid that with certain fandoms and just filtering it out. )

No. 1852922

>>1852913
she's retarded

No. 1852923

>>1852918
No male self-inserts as Vincent. All the guys call him a cuck and want to be Cid instead.

No. 1852924

>>1852903
If you can't tell the difference between a big boobed woman being drawn and an actual scrote tier drawing you're beyond help

No. 1852925

>>1852921
What do you mean Ao3 censorship? Like are they deleting certain fics now?

No. 1852926

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>>1852918
meanwhile the average male self insert that isnt cherrypicked

No. 1852927

>>1852919
Most vampires are, technically.

No. 1852929

>>1852917
My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.

>>1852921
Is there another censorship scare?

No. 1852930

I think wishing for more variety of female characters is a fair sentiment, but I get slightly uncomfortable at female artists being insulted. But only slight cause they don't know we exist and even if they did they wouldn't care and just continue to draw their hyperfeminine self inserts.

No. 1852932

>>1852926
so what you are saying is that male MCs don't have any variety . Males must be very oppresed then

No. 1852933

>>1852924
most of the screeching uggo MC defenders can't tell the difference and have proven as much

No. 1852935

>>1852932
lol you are so fucking salty that SOME women, the minority, dont like pink kawaii slop or coombait you will go through mental gymnastic to defend moids

No. 1852936

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>>1852926
Top left is a pretty boy super abs ultra man that's one month old and can defeat time with the power of being sexy and is also a Demon king.

No. 1852937

>>1852936
where? he looks generic as shit

No. 1852938

I want to fuck Herlock Sholmes.

No. 1852939

>>1852935
Why you always gotta be hating on the color pink? Some of the uwu uguu ladies dress in purple and blue.

No. 1852941

>>1852937
He just has black hair.
Dye it blonde and gel it up if you want.

No. 1852942

>>1852939
i am angry they took the color pink and made it lame and retarded i want it back

No. 1852943

>>1852939
Y'all hating on everything for real. Literally searching for colors to hate on wtf

No. 1852944

You could have left this retarded GNC/ugly MC infight in the previous thread and you didn't. Any posts further stoking this infight will get a 3 day ban.

No. 1852945

>>1852941
still looks generic lol just accept some women dislike your tastes and move on pickmechan

No. 1852946

>>1852935
i mean you are literally making that statement, be consistent with your bullshit. One minute moids have a million designs that women are barred from experiencing, the next moids only have to settle for Kiritos. Get your shit straight at least instead of seething when your same arguments are thrown back at you.

No. 1852950

>>1852944
God bless farmhands amen God bless

No. 1852951

>>1852936
Ngl I watched this and I completely lost the plot on whatever the fuck was meant to be going on.

No. 1852952

it's annoying we can never discuss anything because one retard will always become super salty and start fighting about shit just because she's personally offended(let it go)

No. 1852953

>>1852952
Stfu already you mega retard(infighting)

No. 1852957

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it's been a quarter-decade since i've had bloody roar on my mind and Mitsuko's (and Fox's) design always stuck out to me. More things need more characters like her. Tall but also attractive

No. 1852960

>>1852957
Sorry but how do you find her attractive? She has the same charm of Tekken 6 Bob

No. 1852961

>>1852926
Wasn't Izaya huge with yume/fujos back in the day?
Annoyingly so.

No. 1852963

>>1852961
Has more to do with his edgelord personality than his appearance imo.

No. 1852966

>>1852961
i loved him too when i was a teen. he's cringe now that i'm older though

No. 1852967

>>1852925
Oh idk, I was just asking cause I saw it in the description.

No. 1852972

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>>1852967
The only thing I've found about censorship and Ao3 was some people censoring words like tiktok, which I hope never extends to the tags

No. 1852977

>>1852967
awhile back there was a bunch of drama about a new board member election that might've lead to the censorship of some content on ao3, I don't think anything ever actually happened though. look up ao3 tiffany g in google if you want to read more about it. ao3 was also blocked in china and somewhat recently there was some scrote hacker group that caused the website to be down for a few weeks. I don't think there has been any recent censorship issues though aside from what >>1852972 mentioned

No. 1852978

>>1852921
It's people censoring their tags, which is stupid because tags are used to find your works. If you censor them, they can't find anything properly.

No. 1852979

>>1852972
Ah okay I did read a post on tumblr about that and how people couldn't filter out stuff from the tags cause kids were labeling them wrong. which is fair. Tiktok has ruined how people talk about things.

No. 1852981

>>1852972
The fact that people are getting unironically butthurt about books in bookstores not having tags is grim. If there is something fandom has done, it's setting unrealistic expectations over how physical media should work.

No. 1853002

>>1852938
Get in line.

No. 1853058

>>1852433
TBH this isn't my kind of thing but I don't mind stuff like this, the art is sexualized but the artist has a decent grasp on stylization and has character. I wouldn't care about scrotebait designs if they weren't so cookie cutter.

No. 1853104

>>1852927
Well the rest of them don't molest 11 year old ghosts

No. 1853110

How about we draw what we want in this world? Draw your stacies, draw your nerds, I'll draw my cute tomboys and all will be fair in this world.

No. 1853112

>>1852453
you remind me of that peachfag autist in the older art salt threads

No. 1853136

>>1852850
I agree, it's super cute and realistic. Shame about the reboot…

No. 1853164

>>1852894
why do you assume unfeminine or GNC means unwashed? That's the key point.(trying to revive infight)

No. 1853172

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>>1852746
>Fiction doesn't affect reality
Recently, a Japanese woman made a twitter post encouraging women to use "yamero" instead of "yamete" when getting sexually harassed as the latter has become too sexualized due to JAV and hentai. But keep telling that to yourself.

No. 1853207

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>>1853164
It is a mentally ill scrote who is incapable of critical thinking and basic reading comprehension.(trying to revive infight)

No. 1853340

>>1853172
Don't want to push one way or another, but twitter is full of so much exaggeration I'd rather believe an anecdote from the vent thread.

No. 1853347

>>1853172
Live action porn such as JAV isn't fiction though. The actors are actually fucking on screen even though the scenarios to make that happen are fictional. And it's the other way around. It's not because Japanese men watch shitty, unrealistic porn that they think a woman saying "yamete" while assaulted means she wants more. These porn videos are like this to begin with BECAUSE Japanese men think a woman saying "yamete" during sex or assault means she!s being shy, modest and cute to begin with because of how their culture works. You legit chose the worst example possible. If you used hentai manga or novels as an example it would have been more a case of reality affecting fiction too, real men's disturbing fetishes being put in a fictional story.

The Glee effect or European and South American millennials becoming pro football players because they binged watched Captain Tsubasa when they were kids are way better cases of "fiction affects reality"

No. 1853371

>>1853347
>If you used hentai manga or novels
My post clearly says JAV and hentai, do you have trouble reading anon?

No. 1853392

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>>1853207
It feels like I’m constantly hearing about new unhinged retardation Korean scrotes are pulling

No. 1853419

>>1852453
and what is wrong with suits? what is "acting like a man" to you? and why is a female character being masculine a problem for you even when she is not presented as a TiF?(infighting)

No. 1853420

>>1853392
I hope every woman in Korea will be free of these mentally challenged inbred worthless pieces of moid shit who should all die in war. Amen.

No. 1853453

>>1853392
you mean to tell me that all i'd have to do to set off a ricel moid would be to throw up this gesture?

No. 1853454

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>>1853392
Absolutely grim.
Reminds me of another incident that happened with limbus company.
>summer event: not a single girl unit gets a coom swimsuit, raising eyebrows in the male fanbase
>meanwhile picrel is wearing a choker and shorts
>this leads to an influx of korean schizos melting down because they hate fictional men that aren't male power fantasies
>they dig up dirt on the main CG artist "Vellmori"
>the "dirt" being deleted tweets from 3 years ago expressing disgust at sex trafficking ring nth room
>they literally invade the offices of Project Moon (limbus company maker) in Korea and threaten the employees to fix the bad designs
>this results in Vellmori who didn't even work on the summer outfits getting fired from her job.

No. 1853457

>>1853454
does Vellmori have an instagram or twitter?

No. 1853462


No. 1853484

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Has anyone ever met someone kind of hybrid of a proshipper and an anti? I DM'd a tumblr fanfic writer some years back when I was curious about her writing. She appreciated me reaching out to her and would tell me about how stupid she thought antis were, and how proshippers should be left alone to write and comment how they want. She posted an audio clip of a character she really liked and wrote lewd fics about, so I and a couple others joked in the comments about it being schlick material, and she fucking lost it. She came at me in the DMs cry typing and seething about how I'm a "perverted freak" and how she couldn't deal with me anymore all because of that ONE JOKE, even though she was the bitch who wrote self insert noncon fics for that SAME CHARACTER. How is one willing to write explicitly detailed stories about a rapey psychopath having sex with the reader without any consent, but have a mental breakdown over a mundane sexual joke about that character's voice? Self proclaimed proshipper talked all that shit about antis being sooo immature when she had the same old crybaby attitude just like them. Wrote all those filthy fics just to get butthurt over a joke kek what a stupid bitch

No. 1853490

>>1853454
it's insane that the sole gacha game out right now with virtually no coomshit (twist and other otome/yume games aside) and a genuinely good plot + setting got utterly ruined like this. i'm still mad

No. 1853537

>>1853454
>>1853420
>>1853453
>>1853392
>>1853207
I hope all the ladies can lock the men or themselves up behind a closed wall. Their birth rate is a serious reflection of their own culture

No. 1853623

>>1853371
The mere fact that you added JAV ruined your entire point though.

No. 1853628

>>1853392
>>1853454
then anons expect me to feel sorry when korean schizo women harass kpop moids and shit on their floors, it's the least they deserve

No. 1853631

>>1853484
masochistic women are insane lol what do you expect from women who get off to getting raped?

No. 1853663

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>>1853484
This reads like a high schooler's diary entry, is everyone involved in this anti/proship bullshit just aged 17 or younger? If you were all adults then that's even more embarrassing.

>>1853392
Nowadays they also try to recruit global forces from the international communities and then get even more angry and hurt when everyone tells them how retarded and unhinged they sound. Recently they got so fucking angry at one of the Genshin Impact designers having tweeted something in support of women (akin to "I hate men who sexually harass women") that they rented a fucking $10,700 advertising sign to put in front of their Korean headquarters to cry about feminism KEK The company developing the game is larger than life though so they're basically ignoring the entire thing and that's pissing them off even more since they're not getting any results through their temper tantrum.

No. 1853665

>>1853663
why are men such crybabies? like seriously, not even just korean moids. The sexism in videogame thread has a ton of examples of westoid scrotes who bitch and moan every time there is an attractive male character in videogames, to the point they have forced devs to change their outfits or turn them ugly. Like seriously they spent their entire lifes complaining about how women want to take away their big titty animu high schoolers and how all feminist are too sensitive blah blah then do the same

No. 1853667

>>1853663
The artist in question here is yomi_ur on twitter who's work I've loved for probably a decade at this point. She's not very active but that makes sense considering her professional work isn't something she can upload.
There's a post on reddit of some korean dude decrying her evil feminist ways and getting dunked in the comments because the tweets were basically on the level of 'I hate men who harass women'.

>>1853665
I agree but the korean moids are on a different level. If you pay attention, anything regarding feminism in Korea will get instantly swamped by english speaking korean moids talking about how feminism in Korea is actually extreme and evil and that's why men are the true victims here.

No. 1853670

>>1853667
have you heard about gamergate? i know it was cringe, but western moids took it way more far than it should have and harassed all women involved just for criticizng their vidya

No. 1853673

>>1853665
When you live a life of privilege and entitlement, fair treatment and equality feels like oppression. We as women are incapable of understanding their mindset because we're born into a lower societal class innately. Men are born into privilege and walk through life with all the options open to them and everyone and everything catering to their needs, from medical treatment to standard chair height. So when someone threatens their status quo to get a crumb of that goodness they flip the fuck out because they have no experience in accommodating others like women do.

>>1853667
>If you pay attention, anything regarding feminism in Korea will get instantly swamped by english speaking korean moids talking about how feminism in Korea is actually extreme and evil and that's why men are the true victims here.
To be fair every asiancel does this shit, Chinese incels and Indian/Pakistani/etc men do it too. I'm sure Japanese ones would too if they could speak even a lick of English. But I have to admit that Korean incels are extra pathetic because they don't even have the excuse of living in a third world country, they're just spoiled beyond repair.

That said, American incels literally commit mass murder to the point they're considered a genuine domestic terrorism threat so I think they still hold the torch of male derangement.

No. 1853677

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>>1853665
men are the most worthless creatures and they have to let everyone know about it, regardless of the space they're in. picrel, a failed abortion crying about a male ya protagonist being sensitive and kind to others and the female protagonist being confident and determined.

No. 1853681

>>1853677
>The second is flawed because it is ignoring basic science
It's telling how they can suspend disbelief in fiction with literally anything else but women being strong and competent.

>Degrading men while trying to make the female character look better is apparently the new normal

I fucking wish it was. That would be the more based timeline than the current one we inhabit.

No. 1853686

>>1853677
these are the same type of people that get angry at women in videogames/anime not having tiny waists with no room for organs and big balloon tits

No. 1853691

>>1853628
>schizo women harass kpop moids and shit on their floors
As they should, korean moids deserve even worse

No. 1853694

>>1853667
Actually samefagging from >>1853673 to continue about why Korean incels are so terrible: rapists, pedos and woman beaters constantly get off scotch free with a slap on the wrist if the police even bothered to investigate the case. Men in their society are used to being able to treat women like garbage and never having to bear the consequences, there are so many cases of young women being even systemically raped and the police looking the other way (like the infamous burning sun scandal), it's almost always left at the hands of the girl herself and her family to do the legwork and seek justice. Only if you're the child of some powerful politician you can get shit done but otherwise men can do pretty much whatever and women have to submit. You literally see case reports where an adult man raping and beating up a 12-year old gets off with a lighter sentence because of some bullshit "but she was tall for her age/she was wearing a short skirt" excuse.

Now imagine how this translates to fandoms, especially in fandoms for a property with an international audience that doesn't have the same incentive to bend a knee for Korean incels every time they cry oppression. They'll chimp the fuck out until they go blue in the face to the point they become completely blind to how embarrassing their behavior is, especially because they're so used to getting their way when threatening Korean companies.

No. 1853722

>>1853628
dude who cares all those kpop moids probably hate women anyway

No. 1853834

>>1853484
A fan of my fav character always claim she ships him with her even if he's a mafia boss and an asshole, but mention to her a pairing she doesn't like and becomes in an anti because "the other character is a manipulator and has a big age difference". Girl, you love a manipulator, asshole and you have an age difference with him.

No. 1853870

>>1853834
the pro/anti discourse is so retarded. Reminds how everyone dogpilled yandev for his yandere high school game for sexualizing minors but then play persona or disagea or any other japanese games where they also sexualize minors. I dont get it.

No. 1853874

>>1853870
I know you're being purposefully obtuse about this but everyone dogpiled on yanderedev because he's an egoistical creep grooming underage kids on discord while developing a game about high school girls who you can take upskirt shots of and see them naked. Context matters.

No. 1853875

>>1853874
nah i was there from the start and the first batch criticism he got before the other stuff was that his game was sexualizing minors, which is a fair critique, if the people spouting it werent filthy weeaboos who consume anime anyways, despite 99% of it having sexualized high school girls. Antis are hypocrites, none of them are willing to stop consooming animu even though it being a deeply problematic medium where even the kawaii uguu wholesome slop that gets shilled as wholesome like dragon maid hides pedo fanservice.

No. 1853886

>>1853875
Wasn't the first and main criticism of yandere simulator that yandev was an incompetent fuck who couldn't finish his game but kept adding random shit to it? Besides just being a cringe degenerate weeb that was easy and fun to mock.

No. 1853894

>>1853886
Yes. Acting as if the main controversy against yandere simulator was just "antis" is absolutely ridiculous when it all revolved around him being an incompetent programmer who didn't deliver on his promises and got mad when addressed about it, and also being a pervert to the point nobody was surprised when the grooming shit surfaced.

No. 1853897

>>1853886
you clearly werent there when he started talking about the skirt inventory stuff lol. My point isnt related to yansim itself anyways, but to how antis are just hypocrite weebs who call out western game devs/artists but then go back to enjoying the same problematic stuff, but made by japanese people.

No. 1853899

>>1853897
also, you can find the discussion of kiwitards when they started developing their cringe clone and why they switched the setting to a college instead of hs.

No. 1853948

>>1853897
People outside of kiwifarms initially were more mad about not having a yaoi option and the homophobia of Yandev in the 4chan screenshots more than skirt inventory shit.
The skirt inventory shit is notable because of his reaction to people voting other options other than what he wanted, not because there is a opening skirt gimmick in a highschool anime hitman.
People just started moralfagging to have more excuses to make fun of him or get other people to hate him/pay attention.

No. 1854035

>>1853484
>Has anyone ever met someone kind of hybrid of a proshipper and an anti?
>Self proclaimed proshipper talked all that shit about antis being sooo immature when she had the same old crybaby attitude just like them.
TBH most self-proclaimed "proshippers" are like this in my experience, they only call themselves pro-ship or pro-fiction to defend the kind of stuff they like. Or they use the same reasonings as antis do in a self-serving way about how their problematic fics/ships are "to cope" or "rebelling against society's standards on sex for women"/"queer expression" or whatever. I used to know one girl who claimed to be a proshipper because she supported incest, noncon, age gap shipping (fair enough), but would sperg out over different headcanons (what happened to "don't like don't read"?) and was sexually conservative otherwise. I can't imagine being super into noncon fics with your faves but also squeamish over other people's consensual lives. The other one I knew was all into similar stuff but lost her mind when a kink meme for a fandom she was in had a prompt where a character who is commonly headcanoned as trans gets force detransitioned by another character, she went off about how it should be deleted and it was no better than school shooter type fanfics. I hate detransition kink but I though YKINMK + she usually likes noncon stuff?

Not to mention on Twitter proshippers skew gendie and will be all about "your kink is not my kink" unless you don't like straight sex/PIV or omegaverse in your M/M or F/F ships, then you're more suspicious than the people into shota beastiality with Pokemon characters or whatever. That's honestly why I don't call myself a proshipper, I'm ultimately too judgmental. I wish others would be more honest about that.

No. 1854137

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>>1853663
>twitter/tumblr fandom discourse thread
>topics include: 'Proshipping vs. Antishipping'
>mad that people are discussing proship vs. antiship online drama
You're saying that my post "reads like a highschool diary", but can you read at all?

No. 1854168

>>1854035
It's because the pro/anti discourse has no real weight on anything. At least christcucks can say sodomy is bad because it's in the bible, you cant call yourself proship then get salty when someone draws something you dislike, or anti then proceed to enjoy seasonal animu garbage with lolibait characters.

No. 1854217

>>1854137
we make fun of both sides of shipping discourse here, also your posts reads like a high school diary beacuse no one else formats their posts like that
>>1853677
lol even here you get that kind of unhinged shit, just yesterdays someone was sperging in unpopular opinions about there weren't enough feminine female characters uwu. terminally online

No. 1854227

>>1854217
>just yesterdays someone was sperging in unpopular opinions about there weren't enough feminine female characters uwu
how autistic and devoid of personality do you have to be to think like this? bet her room is covered in pink anime crap and her favourite sanrio character is my melo

No. 1854235

File: 1705258251889.png (1.98 MB, 1920x1811, zADGpDo.png)

So I don't know if this might be controversial or bot, I don't actually consider isekais to be power fantasies because I believe that a power fantasy requires there to be an ideal version of oneself, and I don't see that most isekais series, whether it's being reincarnated into a video game world or being born as a villaines. The protagonists of these series are just regular people of their time, and they stumble through everything, gaining financial and material goods. but they don't ever become better people or even change physically much other than their clothing.

No. 1854245

>>1854235
of course it's a power fantasy, it's telling mediocre people they too can have riches/power/big boob anime girls just fall into their lap without changing a thing about their mediocre selves

No. 1854246

>>1854227
just face it nonna, no one likes your legbeard obese OCs(baiting retard)

No. 1854247

>>1854235
isekais are power fantasies

No. 1854248

oh, he is back.

No. 1854252

>>1854229
It depends on the isekai.
An amount do go full power fantasy with the main character becoming handsome… just that the artists willing to draw for such content do not give a shit, like fruit of evolution.
Others aren't about power, more just "I just wish I could have stuff work out for me", the actual strength doesn't mean much. They can actually be kind of comfy. These are also sometimes edutainment.
There's also schadenfreude as in "this person got another life and it sucks hardcore, let's laugh at them".

No. 1854254

>>1854235
>most commonly an RPG
Should have named Dragon Quest outright. Because that's pretty much the main inspiration for most modern isekai.

No. 1854261

>>1854246
I have more hair on my legs than you can grow on your chin scrote(infighting)

No. 1854267

>>1854235
I don't really get the "same English va" is a problem?

No. 1854278

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>>1854261
just ignore that retard
>>1854227
it's just being so terminally online that you think a vocal group of equally online people represent society at large.

No. 1854297

have any of you nonas though about creating your own comic, game, manga, book? i am working on a femdom VN . What would you do if someone tried to cancel you or transwash your characters?

No. 1854302

File: 1705259472814.jpeg (1.19 MB, 1331x2405, IMG_2870.jpeg)

Ikuhara is getting the #MeToo treatment after rumors surfaced that he creeped on underage girls at US cons. So far it’s a “he said, she said” sort of deal but honestly it’s not surprising at all. Who’d have thunk it, a man with a fetish for teenage girls turned out to be a creep irl. The only surprising thing is that he hasn’t trooned out by now. This along with the James Somerton takedown is delicious schadenfreude for seeing scrotes getting their just desserts.

No. 1854305

>>1854297
you can't control how people respond to media, of course peole are going to misunderstand teh story and interpret characters differently. you can't afford to let that stop you or you'll never get shit done.
imo authors regularly engaging with fandoms was a mistake, better not let them get to you

No. 1854313

>>1854297
Ignore them. The best way to deal with those people is never giving them a shred of the attention they crave. You can't stop people from having headcanons, just make sure to never pander or indulge from your end

No. 1854319

>>1854302
i though ikuhara was a shotacon

No. 1854324

>>1854302
I wonder if this will reach JP side of Twitter and if he did anything creepy shit there too or if it was just overseas since that's easier to get away with (assuming he did all of that stuff). Though I doubt much is gonna come out of this unless he gets native allegations, not much to investigate.

No. 1854335

>>1854297
What the other anons are saying is right, you can't stop anyone or anything from being nasty with your characters. Trans is just the new cool thing. Maybe if it didn't catch on you'd be sweating bullets over people making fart porn of your characters or something. Well, at least one type of porn is okay to dislike in people's eyes.
>transwash your characters?
Counting my chickens before they hatch here (as in any discussion about a hypothetical fandom) I am definitely not looking forward to the tranny shit though. I don't care about rep in general either so I'm not looking forward to being talked down to about "zomg! no trannies! what character am I supposed to self insert into!" If there's a popular trans headcanon your hands are basically tied around your back and you're the bad guy if you disprove it kek
Regardless of troonisms, you just have to accept that when you create something you let it out into the jungle and anyone can do anything with it. Tough pill to swallow, but it's true.

No. 1854349

>>1854324
Yeah, realistically speaking this won’t affect him or his livelihood in any tangible way but the ensuing fallout might be milky. Let’s see the libfems and gendies try and cope with learning that the creator of their beloved feminist masterpiece is a pedo and creep.

No. 1854356

>>1854335
yeah that makes sense. Whats your opinion on adding filters or dogwhistles to filter the normies? I was thinking that could help

No. 1854358

>>1854137
It reads like a highschool diary entry because it's literally written in a "um then like this girl does like _this thing_ and can you like believe her??? that _stupid bitch_ omg she's like such a dumb bitch!!" blogpost format with no real substance to anyone who's not personally involved in it.

No. 1854369

>>1854035
>Not to mention on Twitter proshippers skew gendie and will be all about "your kink is not my kink" unless you don't like straight sex/PIV or omegaverse in your M/M or F/F ships, then you're more suspicious than the people into shota beastiality with Pokemon characters or whatever
My exact experience. They all preach "curate your own TL, kink tomato, fiction isn't activism" but if you block boypussy accounts then it has to be for transphobic reasona and you're a POS even when you're not shitting on it openly. I don't even have a problem with cuntboy content itself but more that all of it shipping-wise is PIV which I dislike. Most proshippers are no better than antis who weaponize any -phobic accusation they can get their hands on simply because you don't like something they like. Very accepting and non-hysterical community.

No. 1854377

>>1854297
I'd ignore these people entirely. I plan on writing something someday but it wouldn't be in English since it's not my first language and I feel like that could dramatically reduce the chance of having rabid haters and trannies trying to start shit. If I ever write and post what I'm thinking about I'd do it as a hobby and wouldn't worry about having a following tbh.

No. 1854395

>>1854297
If your work has become so accomplished to the point people are actually transwashing your characters then you're big enough to ignore them with no consequences. Those kinds of people are bandwagon hoppers and only latch on to really popular series with creators that feel distant and like godlike entities they don't really interact with so they can keep their retarded headcanons, they don't give a shit about rinky dink webcomics with 50 readers tops or some self published VN with ten downloads in total.

No. 1854406

>>1854297
I am, and if that happens I'd either ignore or give the cookie-cutter lip service that "I'm glad that people relate to my story/are having their own interpretations" but not validate it otherwise. I think creators should stay as hands-off from fandom as possible, it's caused a lot of trouble otherwise.

No. 1854499

>>1854302
Hopefully this sparks a real investigation because these rumors have been around since forever. I remember the one about the Anthy cosplayer being molested…

No. 1854528

>>1854319
source on that?

No. 1854568

>>1854528
i got him confused with mamoru hosoda, sorry

No. 1854591

>>1854297
>>1854356
Learn to spot this person who’s been baiting this and art thread with their retard quirky typing

No. 1854593

>>1853677
>the overwhelming majority of media has women as stupid, incompetent one dimensional cardboard cut-outs to make men feel smarter and more capable
>handful of instances where a woman is shown to be stronger or smarter than a male
>chimpanzee noises

No. 1854596

>>1854591
it's called not being a phonefag

No. 1854893

>>1854297
I’d be happy that I have a dedicated autistic fanbase.

No. 1854992

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>>1854217
>we make fun of both sides of shipping discourse here
congrats.
>also your posts
>your posts
Stop it. Just stop right there. You're not a moderator, you're not a psychic. You can't tell what posts I make because this is an anonymous imageboard. You dont know shit.
>reads like a high school diary
It's a recollection of a memory I made while I was feeling drunk. Why are you feeling so anal over an imageboard post writing style when it isn't even twitterfaggy? You a college professor? Do I get an F?
>beacuse no one else formats their posts like that
You take yourself too seriously and you overestimate your literary intelligence. Dozens of anons type like any format.
>>1854358
>It reads like a highschool diary entry because it's literally written in a "um then like this girl does like _this thing_ and can you like believe her???
Didn't even type in the format your example is presenting. Try again before inserting yourself into conversations, bubblebrain.
>that _stupid bitch_ omg she's like such a dumb bitch!
I liked calling her a stupid bitch because she was one. It feels good to call stupid people stupid, retard.
>blogpost
Bitch it's /ot/, blogposting is everywhere to make a point; quit being a newfag and get with the program.
>format with no real substance
You're just telling me you aren't interested in reading.
>to anyone who's not personally involved in it
If you don't care, then I never needed your response. Bye bye.(infighting)

No. 1855002

>>1854992
ntayrt but these responses read a lot like something like the girl who sends me death threats would say kekkk

No. 1855012

>>1854992
What the fuck is this post? You just proved the anons calling you out right kek

No. 1855037

>>1854992
Your typing style is already bad enough but do you really have to attach those retarded reaction pictures too?

No. 1855044

>>1854992
twitterfag ass picrel

No. 1855102

>>1854297
I'm writing a book with a woman with the same goal as Yamato of One Piece being as good as her idol Kozuki Oden, except she doesn't refers herself as "he/him", BUT I know TIFs will claim she's one of them because being a tomboy is soooooo old.
I'm not going to bother if they dare to transwash my characters, is a headcanon after all, but I'll raise hell if one of them dare to say they're "kin" with one of my characters, that's why their version is the truthful, not mine.

No. 1855106

>>1854297
I don't even know tbh, I write in English because ideas flow better to me like this, but I also just know that no one will want to read one of the stories I want to make with my best friend. But it's mostly because it's about gay dudes and being gay is bad and all that stuff.
Tbh, I don't even care if people try to troon out my characters because I know the canon. I'm worried about people thinking I'm a lesbian for daring to write a romantic story with my best friend because the story has gay dudes. Idk, it's a weird fear I have, I'm very paranoid about it.

No. 1855206

>>1854992
> calling others newfags
>"You take yourself too seriously and you overestimate your literary intelligence. Dozens of anons type like any format."
nothing to do with literary intelligence. i was referring to the way the characters were formatted, not the writing style.
if you lurked enough you would have noticed no other anons use bolding and italics the way you did. hope that helps.

>>1854356
i don't think you should have hese thoughtd interfere in your creative process. everyine engages with astory in their own wway, andthere'll always be peoplee who misinterpret what they read. can't really control how others react.
of course you can always add your own opinions into the story but you run the risk of soapboxing.

No. 1855230

>>1854992
KEK this reads like a high schooler pulling a mean girl larp this can't be real

No. 1855241

>>1855230
Always is.

No. 1855331

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There is a large section of shippers who are so brain-rotten due to fan-fiction and porn that they genuinely believe sexuality doesn't exist.

No. 1855334

>>1855331
It's not that serious, honestly the anons posting obvious joke tweets like this need to be screened for autism and stop being so sensitive.

No. 1855337

>>1855334
also the new Aaron is downright hideous

No. 1855338

>>1855331
>people shipping characters who's actor have basically no on-screen chemistry
more news at 10!

but seriously though anon, look into that autism screening

No. 1855340

>>1855331
Is the second pic OP's selfie kek

No. 1855561

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This is the worst example of fandom brain-rot meshing with political brain-rot, comparing an ethnic cleansing to a ship they dislike.

No. 1855563

>>1855340
it's the new Janis I think

No. 1855570

>>1855561
what ship

No. 1855766

>>1855570
Knives/Vash

No. 1855809

>>1855766
Kek. That's been a ship since the show came out. Are these retarded new trigun 'fans' of that garbage reboot? It looks so awful and pandering to zoomers. I really want them to stop rebooting old anime series again. They dont do them any justice. Just make zoomers pretend they know shit and make more enby fans come forth.

No. 1855848

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Can someone tell to Xiran that you can burn yourself if you play with fire? Why can't she just stay self posting about her self-insert book from a horrid anime and her two husbandos?

No. 1855867

>>1855848
kek what the actual fuck. Why does she even want to know she doesnt live there, and i seriously doubt there is a single person from yugoslavia that watches her.

No. 1855869

>>1855766
KEK this is like people complaining about Zim/Dib. Like you guys are too fucking late to the party.

No. 1856092

>>1855848
>>1855867
Okay, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she just wants to see how much "America bad" discourse has taken over to the point where people will support/praise any sort of power that opposes America. Maybe she wanted to pick a subject matter that wasn't as controversial as WW2.

No. 1856094

>>1855848
why doesn't she read about it and form her own opinion? why make a poll about it? she is using real events to get clout and twitter engagement which is a really weird thing to do when your whole brand is being progressive
>>1855867
>i seriously doubt there is a single person from yugoslavia that watches her.
you're right but thats because yugoslavia doesnt exist anymore

No. 1856099

>>1855334
What's wrong with laughing at stupid fandom posts even while knowing they're supposed to be jokes? This is half more milk than what gets posted in most cow threads. Newfags need to get some distance from twitter and learn that even their humor makes them sound retarded. Also, integrate.

No. 1856151

>>1855848
Can't she see how inappropriate it is to post about genocide and war crimes while shilling her pathetic book? In general I can't fathom why it's so popular to retweet mutilated corpses from Palestine or whatever on a fandom account and call it activism. It's just tone deaf. Also why is she asking her followers for “good sources”, is she actually retarded?

No. 1856307

>>1856151
Don't you know? If you don't post pro-Palestine stuff, you're a zionist or a nazi. I had to shut down the RT option to some users because they kept RTing dead corpses like if that's bringing awareness. Yes, people are dying and is horrible, but have some dignity in not using their image for something they didn't ask to.

And yes, is quite ironic how she ask about genocide when her book is about… A war against other ethnic, and women, specially concubine, die like trash.

No. 1856357

>>1856307
I've seen more corpses scrolling through my timeline in the last 3 months than any imageboard. If you say anything about people not even bothering to censor them, people shit on you and call you insensitive, like what? I can see why sharing videos of buildings being bombed/the aftermath of it (without the gore) is helpful and makes it more "real" than just tweets, but I'm not sure what literal corpses of children achieves.

No. 1856501

File: 1705383047298.gif (3.72 MB, 360x270, hey-hindi.gif)

>>1856357
sageblog but someone asked me why Haiti and Chile, countries that had big earthquakes, had different kind of help (Haiti having more help than Chile). It was because Chile was known for being a country where earthquakes were normal and the fact the news in Chile only have shown destroyed houses and buildings and injured people, while in Haiti were corpses and corpses and destroyed houses. Yes, Haiti is way poorer than Chile, but it shows that the one thing that people care more is seeing dead people to know the awareness of certain situation.

Now is not common that we don't see corpses in any Palestine-Israel conflict, but now we have zoomers sharing the photos to feel better than someone else to raise "awareness" or to call to someone else insensitive. I bet if they have been living in Munich '72 with internet and all, they would have supported Black September.(derailing)

No. 1856593

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This is a psy-op to get women to date STD ridden bi-men who will likely troon out.

No. 1856676

>>1856099
Getting mad over satirical tweets is autistic and cringe. Get over yourself.

>>1856307
>I had to shut down the RT option to some users because they kept RTing dead corpses like if that's bringing awareness
straight up unfollowed a bunch of people for spamming my feed with photos of bloodied, mutilated corpses with taglines like "YOU'RE A ZIONIST IF YOU DON'T RETWEET THIS RIGHT NOW". Nobody was this overtly aggressive about Ukraine because it wasn't so tightly tied to American internal politics and Sudan nobody gives a shit about because your garden variety zoomer has no idea where that country is even located at.(infighting)

No. 1856696

>>1856593
holy shit that scrote looks rancid dont tell me someone wants to fuck that thing?

No. 1856699

>>1854992
>meangirl larp
>while I was drunk
>>1855331
>"shipper": women are attractive
>shippers (women) are porn rotted due to fan-fiction, how dare you invalidate my penis loving sexuality!!

Some of you read as if you're simultaneously gravely underage but also are somehow terminal mid life bipolar fucking train wrecks at the same time. Bleak. Women will never not police each other over retarded unimportant shit.

>>1853392
>>1853454
Males are inhuman

>>1856593
Ah yes as opposed to STI ridden straight men. How was that first thought in your head from this retarded self abasing post and not the "take it in the ass" part.

No. 1856701

>>1856696
I would have fucked him 30 years ago, only once

No. 1856705

>>1856701
love yourself

No. 1856734

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>>1856705
I think he looked hot here, he was fit but not too muscular for my taste. Juliette Lewis hasn't stopped looking amazing but Harrelson aged like yogurt.

No. 1856761

>>1855561
I'm curious how this recent rise in popularity of anti-Zionism being the new trendy social will have an impact or not in media, Just a few weeks ago, I witnessed twitter queers complaining about feeling "betrayed" by Taika Waititi(a Polynesian Jew) who had the audacity to support a petition advocating for the release of hostages.(derailing)

No. 1856768

>>1856734
he looks like that br*tish pedo savile

No. 1856828

>>1856761
OFMD are trying to get a third season after being cancelled, but three doritos before they asked to not support the serie because Taika supported the release of hostages.

Funny how it works.

No. 1856881

>>1856761
If these Twitter activists actually cared about anti-Zionism and used it properly it would be a bit respectable but they're all doing it for moral superiority and call anyone Zionist for having a "neutral" stance or being seen with Starbucks. Armchair activist successfully watered down a term to nothing yet again.

No. 1856891

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>>1856881
I follow some Israeli artist and there's always assholes posting the watermelon emoji (because "censorship"), "to the river to the sea", etc. Even if you tell them that not all the Israeli people are zionist or are against the war, they'll tell you "oh they're still colonizers because they arrived from Europe after WWII".

I know this should be in Twitter hate, but she's also a book author trying to buy Twitter brownies in her fandom.

No. 1856910

File: 1705418427315.png (1.23 MB, 1920x1080, Baldur's Gate 3 - Feederism ac…)

Why are these threads so fucking autistic full of anime retards? Isn't there ACTUAL anime threads for that shit? Let's discuss actual FANDOM shit that gets shut down in other threads.

Here's some current garbage from the BG3 fandom: A feeder fetishist killing a character in real time! First image the character was normal weight and got tons of likes as most even mildly competent fanart does, then over the next few months he got progressively heavier and heavier until now he's a literal death fat. Middle pic is the artists character casually insulting his appearance. I'm usually not one for moral fagging art, but it just doesn't seem like a "regular" fetish anymore…its people actually getting off to the idea of someone getting mentally and physically abused into an early grave

No. 1856913

>>1856910
This may come as a shock to you, but he's not fucking real, he could be 1500kg heavy and still be fine because he's pixels in a screen. Is this your first time seeing fetish content of this kind or something?

No. 1856921

>>1856910
the most upsetting thing about this is that he picked Gortash. he's comically ugly, i have to pinch myself when i see people gushing about him

No. 1856925

>>1856910
What does this have to do with fandom discourse? That's just run-of-the-mill fetish art.

No. 1856936

>>1856910
imagine getting angry at a fatfag making ugly fetish art of the ugly man(and bear) fucking simulator

No. 1856938

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>>1856913
what part of "i usually dont moral fag" dont you comprehend, edgelord? It just stood out as the most deranged fetish art ive seen in while

>>1856921
lmao no arguments from me kek I think his fans find his griminess a feature.

>>1856925
BG3 fandom is known for being snowflakes who cant handle basic ass MAID COSTUMES, hence why i thought this instance of an actually deranged fetish would be interesting to share. How is my actual milk lesser than the infighting and anime discourse of the previous threads? Bring something better or stfu

ANYWAY since you asked, heres some fandom SPECIFIC insanity since fandom art apparently isn't good enough for this christian anime board

No. 1856944

>>1856938
you are annoying, this has been discussed before. BG3 is made to appeal to tumbler tards with low self steem and tit scars who like ugly men, it was bound to attract that kind of autistic annoying fanbase. Play better games with hotter dudes.

No. 1856953

>>1856910
This is gross but honestly seeing stuff like this is closer to my experience in the "old days" of fandom pre-Twitter and whatnot. For every normal and good fanart on Deviantart there were 5 more of things like this. I find it disgusting but at least the art is decent and I can block the artist if I don't want to see it (cap says it's a fetish alt so she likely posts normal NSFW on another account).

No. 1856958

>>1855561
I think it's really funny that fandom people are engaging in behavior that they would've branded someone else as being anti-semetic for, had the war not started.

No. 1856986

>>1856958
99% of the fandom people I follow didn't even care about Palestine before October. I follow some non-fandom leftist accounts who have been posting about Israel/Palestine/Zionism for years, but the average progressive didn't virtue signal about it until they were told they were a bad person if they didn't.

No. 1856991

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>>1856936
>>1856944
wow, a bunch of Newfags who cant even sage doing nothing but try to start infighting rather than contribute with better content. This may come as a shock to you, but posting about a game is not a political statement, you absolute inbreds.

>>1856953
oh wow a real reply. yeah its wild how people behave when they're anonymous and in groups of likeminded retards..anyway since im here here's my last drama summary. Once again, astarion fangirls (the abused amoral twink everyone is self projecting onto) are insane and will send death threats to anyone disrespecting their precious fictional husbando.
Cue the female fan apologising for hurting the insane peoples feelings. Its not as pathetic and groveling as many other apologies, but writing an apology letter is such peak troll feeding behaviour, why do women keep doing it.

No. 1856998

>>1856761
Israeli civilian hostages are absolutely innocent just like Palestinian civilians don't equal Hamas, you have to be a special breed of scumbag to call someone "a traitor" or a "zionist" for wanting them to be freed. Sometimes I feel like these terminally online people treat these severely complicated problems as a video game or a movie with a black and white bad and evil side oppressing the good and pure side, the Gaza strip conflict has been going on for decades and only flared up because Putin wanted to draw attention away from Ukraine and funded Hamas with more attack gear. And it sure as hell worked. There's so much pressure for people to have an opinion on every single issue ever even when they're not educated enough on it to know what's going on so it ends up with spergery that goes nowhere because everyone is mindlessly RTing corpses of bomb victims.(derailing)

No. 1857080

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homestuck anon who posted threadpic come back… we are like passing ships in the night.

i'm also still in the fandom and it's become a truly insufferable cesspool. not that it wasn't before but it's worse than ever now. the june egbert thing has given way to this new trend of transing literally every male character in the comic. picrel is tranny dave fanart, which has also taken off lately. i guess this is just the hip new way of genderbending characters? i don't know if this is hetshippers ruining everything, or just the inevitable end result about those jokes about slash ships being "yuri" because people will often ship troon dave with a likewise trooned karkat or john.

No. 1857088

>>1856991
you dont need to sage in /ot/ what a way to show you are a larping newfag

No. 1857090

>>1857080
kek i want to know the reaction of that tif who trooned out and changed her name to dave strider to fanart of dave turned into a TIM

No. 1857105

>>1857080
Troon Egbert ruined Homestuck genderbents forever because you can't say "genderbent [character]" anymore you have to call this shit "transfem [character]" or else a bunch of terminally online Homestuck trannies are gonna start profiling you as some sort of bigot and attack you over this inane shit. Don't get me started on the obvious straightwashing on that Davekat these people know what they are doing.

No. 1857149

>>1856676
>>1856357
It’s amazing how much they’ve desensitized themselves when horrific videos of dismembered dying children obviously aren’t enough to dampen the mood between their fandom sperging. Surreal. (It sure creeped me knowing I would have had a much stronger physical reaction before a few months ago.)(derailing)

No. 1857185

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This is a theory I have, there are many overweight, unattractive, and balding moids who are incapable of embodying the young male protagonist or the tough macho action hero. Consequently, they opt to insert themselves as creatures such as goblins, orcs, trolls, etc. As men become increasingly less appealing, this trend has gained momentum. I first observed it in the Baalbuddy comics, where all women are portrayed as longing for these revolting monsters, depicted in the likeness of ugly men.

No. 1857187

>>1857185
I hate these fucking comics the moid that makes them needs to be killed.

No. 1857212

>>1857185
Men wanting orcs/goblins/animals to rape elf women have been a very specific fetish for a while in fantasy nerd circles

No. 1857246

>>1857088
yeah I've heard that mentioned sure, but i assumed that was mainly regarding the vent & rambling threads aka threads with no distinct milk or subject matter. The written rules for OT also give no general exception to the rule either. So sorry for not caring about unwritten rules when there's infighting and poltics fagging going on.
pick your battles

No. 1857354

>>1857185
It has nothing to do with that. Women schlick to ugly moids like astarion, frollo, any tumblr sexy men all the time. Women are socialized to feel like they are only valuable when they are desirable by men, meanwhile men are socialized to be ugly but still get the chick because ''only frivoulous, shallow hags care about the outside''. Men dont have a single equivalent to beauty and the beast or shape of the water because men are expected to be ugly and still land a hottie. For the same reason women fall in love with ugly men ''but with nice personalities uwu''.

No. 1857439

>>1856891
whos the artist nona?

No. 1857476

>>1857080
Homestuck is one of those things where I genuinely don't understand how anyone liked it, my best guess is that most people didn't actually read the comic and just joined the fandom through tumblr osmosis.

No. 1857539

>>1857476
Same. The first 4 acts were kinda fun and thz trolls ruined everything. The fandom was pure garbage when I heard about Homestuck for the first time in 2011 and I hate that very specific shit from there spread to other fandoms, sometimes indirectly.

No. 1857540

>>1857476
I think the recession played a role in Homestuck’s popularity back in the day. It was a “calorie dense”, free, and easily accessible piece of media for very online young adults and teens that didn’t click with/couldn’t afford The Hunger Games or the popular animanga of the era. Same with RPG maker games.

No. 1857544

>>1857539
I don't get how people liked the first 4 acts either, it was just a bunch of cringy scrote reference humor with some poorly drawn ms paint scribbles.
>>1857540
Never thought about it that way but it that would make sense. Stuff like anime and hunger games had a heavy capitalism aspect of encouraging fans to buy merch to show their support but with homestuck I don't think there was anything to buy for quite a while.

No. 1857554

>>1857185
This has nothing to do with self insertion, you're completely off the mark. Moids get off to women being raped by orcs/goblins/animals/tentacle monsters for the same reason racist moids get off to blacked porn, they get off to the idea of a beautiful, "pure" woman being ravaged and defiled by (what they see as) a monstrous rape beast (again, I'm not calling black people monsters, this is just how those men perceive them).
The baalbuddy comics featuring orcs in this light is just played up for "comedy."

No. 1857596

>>1857544
The first 4 arcs were kinda fun because the story wasn't completely stupid just yet… until you reached the few parts with the mafia stick figures which were annoying. I was just wondering where the story would go but then it introduced like 20 characters all at the same time, more bs and more "lore" which quickly made mz give up. I felt like I wasted my time. Then the humor was a bit edgy or offensive at times because that was what was popular back then but the fans got so offended by a joke about the human characters being caucasian that I was glad I gave up on that shit early. Especially when Andrew Hussie rewrote the joke for easily offended fans. No idea how they handled the jokes about Dave being a cliche white guy trying too hard to like rap or some shit.

No. 1857612

>>1857185
I wonder why all these male coomers are never bisexual.
Though it wouldn't surprise me if Baalbuddy found his Orcs hot.

No. 1857718

>>1857612
what do you mean? they are always into femboys and shit.

No. 1857743

>>1856734
Based natural born killers appreciator. I need to give that movie a rewatch. And I think he looks appropriate in the Hunger games movie considering his character's arc.

No. 1857744

>>1857718
Yeah but they never draw manly men. They're only into traps and shit. I wonder if they harbor a secret love for the former they don't want to speak about.

No. 1857752

>>1856944
Based anon. Stating facts.

No. 1857755

>>1857744
and? they are still fags. All men are fags, they dont care about genitals as long as the person who they are fucking is feminine(submissive)

No. 1857804

>>1857612
They do have a form of porn induced, pseudo-bisexuality we see with a lot of TIMs, they aren't attracted to men or women, just nominal standards of what they predive as femininity.

No. 1857840

>>1854297
Working on comics on my little spare time. If I get cancelled for being a terf, I'd want to just come out and say it, or more likely I'll just drop from the face of the internet lmao. If someone transwashes my characters I'll say I find that dysphoric. Though someone already claimed my het platonic (for the moment) couple is ace so we're getting there.

No. 1857860

I've seen (male) creators directly deny transwashing before without much backlash, annoyingly it just leads to "the author just doesn't understand what they're writing! It's egg coded!" As if that's not disrespect.

No. 1857862

>>1857554
I do think that was the case years ago, and still is to some extent, but I also believe that self inserting as monsters is now a factor in their mindset. It's like the "towelboy meme" that got popular with mostly Incels on twitter, basically reducing attractive men to being feminine and fantasizing about raping them.

No. 1857887

>>1857862
I remember when moids used to make fun of women for prefeering the ''gay'' characters like link over the roidpigs. Now men took and sissified all the characters they used to bully us for liking and we are left with old fosils. I hate it.

No. 1857905

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So this is more of a vent, but I truly hate the fact that a good chunk of the media I like is infested with either TIMs or TIFs. Like, what the fuck does that say about me?

No. 1857908

>>1857905
Nothing, you're just nerdy. Every single nerd space has been completely taken over.

No. 1857914

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>>1857905
cant even escape from troondom in anime form anymore, it's dire.

No. 1857919

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Do you guys even want to imagine the fallout from an Ouran S2 or remake in this day and age? From Haruhi being GNC to homophobic Tamaki, the tranny dad and the gay incest twins? My brain is hurting just thinking about it.

No. 1857922

>>1857919
and dont forget the 17yo shota kek. I never watched Ouran but whats up with pic rel? i know the gimmick of ouran is the characters being the opposite of their archetypes, but it always seemed like the ''better'' shoujo

No. 1857926

>>1857919
God, it would be terrible. They should do it.

No. 1857927

>>1857922
The even had a cabal of man-hating lesbians kek. I believe they would all be TERF queens today

No. 1857929

>>1857927
now i want a super flat ugly reboot in the style of SAO like 99% of modern anime just to see the retarded ironic weebs cope and seethe about incest, pedophilia, tranny headcanons etc

No. 1857936

>>1857929
even back in like 2015-16 when this fandom moralfagging was starting to get worse but wasn't quite as bad yet, it was so funny trying to see their mental gymnastics trying to justify their enjoyment of a show that has every "problematic" thing they claim to hate.

No. 1857940

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>>1857919
I'm glad the fandom never got a hint of this scene of Hoozuki no Reitetsu for being "transphobic"

Context: Hoozuki on the left think a TIM oni is a man for his body, but Hakutaku on the right think a TIM oni is a woman in "her heart". To some people it sound like Hoozuki is transphobic while Hakutaku is an ally, but the real thing is that they don't care about the gender, they care about winning a stupid contest they made to spend the time.

No. 1857941

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>>1857940
The tim in question.

No. 1857942

>>1857936
i genuinely dont understand how ironic weebs justify their love for animu when the most basic anime trope of sexualized anime teenagers is in literally every fucking anime

No. 1857943

>>1857919
Maybe the fact Ouran was meant as a parody/deconstruction of shujo and fujo stories (and even sometimes yuri works, as >>1857927 mentioned). It would be given some leeway. I mean, originally, the author wanted Haruhi to end up with Mori, which would have been a pretty wild plot twist but would make sense, and even after that, the fact that the twin who pretends to be a gay bottom was given a romantic date before the main or second lead was really something.

No. 1857944

>>1857940
nonny dont ruin the fantasy of hot transphobic oni to me

No. 1857946

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>>1857944
But he's not only transphobic, he also has a soft spot for cute animals. A perfect husbando, if I have to say myself.

No. 1857967

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>>1857922
also fun fact, in the manga the 17yo shota is the first person in the host club to get married to his love interest.

No. 1857969

>>1857967
isnt he 18yo in the manga? which is miles worse because the 17 days and 364 days!!1!! spaergs cant say anything about it lel

No. 1858542

>>1857919
>>1857943
I've seen Ouran discourse actually, saw quite a bit of it last year. Basically the young zoomers don't understand what a parody is and think everything in the show is played straight and the twins are disgusting. I've seen them say it aged badly and similar things.

No. 1858560

>>1857919
I don't know if this is still the train of thought amongst the tiffies but I saw so much of "I can't relate to gender non conformity, so therefore haruhi is trans because it's far more socially applicable to me, an american!" on tumblr and it was just so baffling and self centered. They can't relate to a single train of thought that isn't theirs. Why would you make a gender nonconforming character? They must be trans if they don't conform! Why not just make the entire show gay around a gay trans man? So on and so forth.

No. 1859023

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>>1857185
>>1857887
This reminds me of an interaction I saw just yesterday. It was a comment from a video recapping an 80's Mario OVA that featured Princess Peach marrying a handsome prince in the end. Of course, there were moids who were personally upset by it, but then a few other men outright admitted to wanting to molest the prince. Like, what the actual fuck?

No. 1859034

>>1858542
tbf the manga and anime are a parody of tropes and storylines that were very popular way before zoomers were born. It's not like these kids are very likely to grow up watching or reading insane shit like Glass Mask or Hana Yori Dango or Peach Girl naturally before watching or reading Ouran Host Club unless they grew up with weebs parents or older siblings who raised them to become weebs by making them read that stuff first.

No. 1859041

>>1859023
>i cant believe he's a boy
>literally looks like a boy
femboy retards are so fucking mentally ill i swear to god. Any male character that isnt a big hairy roidpig is a trap to them.

No. 1859057

>>1859023
>marries Prince Haru
GOOD FOR HER!!! Princess Peach deserves the best. Not some fat, stubby Italian or some 3DPD useless moid.

No. 1859061

>>1859023
Lord I hope all men choke and die

No. 1859067

>>1859023
I love how they have to tear down Peach while thirsty for a boy they thought was a girl. Men are so vile and broken lmao

No. 1859098

>>1859067
i refuse to believe they seriously though he was a girl, i think they just say that because they have memed themselves into thinking traps arent gay. Men are so weird.

No. 1859106

>>1859041
it's just closeted mens' way of angsting over their desire for other men, they feel compelled to justify it by turning every sexy man they see into a tranny/"woman" in their minds so they can be at peace with their own hornyness

No. 1859109

>>1859106
I don't think it's even genuine attraction, it's driven almost exclusively by disdain towards women.

No. 1859110

>>1859109
i think they have brainrot from porn and they just want to make an excuse to fuck everything.

No. 1859124

>>1859109
>>1859110
they're just homosexual and can't deal with it. the normalization of tranny shit has given a lot of repressed gay/bi men a way to cope and get away with their sexuality. that's also the only reason why moids ever hate trannies, they contemplate the increase in femboy and tranny porn after looking at it online all day and hate themselves so they go consume content from tucker carlson and matt walsh afterwards to self soothe, deny and blame society. if men could be normal about their desires the femboy trend would die and a lot of TIMs overall would go extinct.

No. 1859125

>>1857080
KEK i literally saw the pic you used on tumblr a few weeks ago. i don't even think it's hetshippers, just people feeling the need to make every character imaginable troons. i can't believe how people have turned genderbending into somehow being transphobic lmfao

No. 1859166

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>>1859041
That's why the "is a trap" meme is used on Bridget. He's a boy raised as a girl for a stupid lore thing. TRAs using him as "trans symbol" ignore the lore and the fact he was raised to save his life, not because "gender issues".

No. 1859167

>>1859125
They did because they cannot handle to see their fav character in another type of body and being perfectly fine with it, hence the raise of male characters with scar chests. Misery loves company in that sense.

No. 1859581

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Looked up the Hogwarts Legacy tags on tumblr/twt for shits and giggles and the difference in fandom quality when there are far less westerners in it is WILD(speaking as a burger myself)

>(most) westerners seething and sucking troon dick

>esl/nonwestern fandom pumping out tons of quality art pieces
>the fujoshit art is great
>the yumeshit art is great
>the straight art is great

And the tags aren’t full of endless memes and generic “insert your ship” text posts spammed with ship names

MANwe suck
Sorry world

No. 1859590

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>>1859581
i have never played hogwarts legacy or even watched HP but the level of this hogwarts legacy artist amazes me

No. 1859603

>>1859124
I've read from anti-trans gay men that bisexual and closeted men will fuck transwomen and still call themselves straight. They legitimately think it "doesn't count" if the man they're having sex with is wearing a wig and lipstick.

No. 1859615

>>1859581
HL is miles better but HP still has a decently sized Asian fanbase compared to other book series like PJO surprisingly. They're pretty lucky to have them otherwise they'd only be stuck with the "fuck JKR TERFs kys" ugly troonwashed art/fanfic SJWtards.

No. 1859626

>>1859615
Does the non English speaking world even like PJO? I don’t know anyone over 10 years old who ever enjoyed it even in its country of origin.

I really wish there hadn’t been so many obsessed millennials insisting it was high art (pre jkr seethepocolypse) but Harry Potter has been and will always be a worldwide favorite.

No. 1859637

>>1859166
I've been mentioned this a dozen times already, while I'm mad he got transed on principle, he clearly was never meant to be some GNC boy and was always meant as fetish bait for pedophiles.

No. 1859639

>>1859637
he's still is fetish bait.

No. 1859641

>>1859581
i really might just learn JP at this point. I can't stand being around western fans but i need someone to sperg with regardless

No. 1859666

>>1859615
I don't think it is high art either but a lot of the criticism doesn't add up to me. "Read another book" overlooks that HP was a worldwide social phenomenon that will likely never be replicated ever again. Lots of great books simply don't have the readership to sustain a fandom or have enough content released so regularly as to become a part of a person's entire childhood and teenage years.

>>1859581
I'm a bit confused by this, is it just because it's a smaller fandom in general or because the ratio of Westerners to Non-Westerners is appreciably different?

No. 1859670

There’s a video going around on Twitter of someone squeezing a bloody tampon over a Gojo figurine. Obviously not gonna link it but what the fuck.

No. 1859681

>>1859670
I've watched a few episodes of JJK with my ex, and it seems like a competently made shonen, but not my cup of tea. But I don't get why for some reason, it attracts the most insane fujo fans. insane even by unhinged shipper standards.

No. 1859687

>>1859666

Appreciably different I think — HL fandom didn’t grow because western fandoms are obsessed with troons and terrified of wrongthink. Fandom output is significantly better as a result.

No. 1859729

>>1859687
oh that makes so much sense

No. 1859734

>>1859670
I really like JJK but man the fandom has only gotten worse. The memes are glorious and I like the characters a lot but it's starting to get on mha levels. Scared I'm gonna open up any amount of social medias one day and see someone cosplaying Gojo pushing a baby out. It's to be expected for a large shounenshit fandom to get insane on the male and female side but I never get used to it somehow

No. 1859950

>>1859670
I've never watched or read JJK all I know is that there are two guys breaking up in front of a KFC, one of said guy has unhinged fangirls so they made a 1h long video of him breathing by extending a 10sec scene from the anime and there's a salaryman voiced by Tsudaken that everyone wants to fuck him for some reason.

No. 1859962

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>>1856761
Sage for OT, but this whole conflict made me realize how stupid the average person truly is. I mean, they're treating it like it's some fandom drama, treating a nation's past-era as if it's some celeb's history.(derailing)

No. 1859984

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>>1859734
The most stupid meme I have seen for JJK fandom was the "shrine" over a Crunchyroll poster. The metro even said "go ahead and put that shit, we are going to remove it anyway".

No. 1860007

>>1859637
>>1859639
Yes, Bridget has gotten an inordinate amount of doujinshi and degen art for two decades now. IIRC, Boku no Pico was inspired by Bridget too.
What mainly makes me seethe about Bridget's current state is the massive flood of official merch and figs while almost every other character is left totally in the dust.

No. 1860008

>>1859670
>like shonen with ugly male characters
>surprised it develops a fanbase of autistic tifs

No. 1860009

>>1857905
I'm so tired of all the tranny shit on AO3, in every character tag, in every other fanart I swear I'm gonna go berserk. I never come across TIMs though it's all TIFs shitting up the fanwork for stuff I like

No. 1860015

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>>1860009
same. no matter how many tags i filter out some always sneaks in. tag your shit bitches

No. 1860019

>>1860009
>>1860015
I've never seen a group of people more incompetent at tagging than trannies and their worshippers. The ones coming up with new terms everyday have to be trolling on purpose. I miss when I didn't have to filter out a million words just to avoid their garbage.

No. 1860025

>>1860019
Do you think it's possible to report trannyfics for improper tagging? Or will that cause problems?

No. 1860031

>>1860009
I don't understand why it's "bad" to say you don't want to see or read tranny fics or even smutfics, some people will literally blow a gasket if you mention it. Isn't it a fucking taste or preference thing

No. 1860036

>>1860031
It's because in their tranny doctrine, trans men are the same thing as men so if you like one you have to like the other because they're totes the same thing and if you dare to take the blinders off for a second and acknowledge they aren't the same, then you're a bigot. Which is retarded because if trans men really were men, they wouldn't need a fucking qualifier. And they all know this btw, you're just not allowed to say it out loud

No. 1860042

I just take solace that tranny fics on AO3 get less kudos, comments, and views to the honest gay, lesbian, and het fics. My personal conspiracy theory is that tiffies don't tag correctly because they noticed this and want the increased engagement, kek

No. 1860047

>>1859581
This happens to me but with the Transformers fandom (cringe, I know) but the difference in quality is abysmal. Chinese artists are extremely talented. Korean, Japanese and Thai too. But if we talk about Western artists, I can only mention a few besides the official artists who draw the comics. It's all gendie and sjw shit.

No. 1860068

>>1860036
But WHY aren't you into tranny porn anon you HAVE to be into tranny porn because why wouldn't you be?

No. 1860075

>>1860042
Yeah they purposefully don't tag them because they want people to open and read it. I doubt even they take that "well trans men are men so I don't have to tag it!" stuff seriously, they just want the interaction and genuinely believe that they're entitled to people reading their creations. In other words they leave their trans headcanon fics and art untagged because otherwise people wouldn't care as much about them but they want to get the attention they think they deserve.

No. 1860084

>>1860075
>I doubt even they take that "well trans men are men so I don't have to tag it!" stuff seriously
Same here. It's just a front to make an excuse why they're not tagging correctly. It's a damn ploy and woe-is-me evil cissies just don't understand trans pain! pity party to get what they really want, which is attention and interaction, but even if they trick me to click on their untagged fic, I won't give them the fucking kudos they crave. They'll see their stat ratios with lots of views but hardly any kudos, and they'll lose their fucking minds. I love it

No. 1860096

>>1860047
I know exactly what you mean- most western artists in the fandom basically draw the characters like they're humans badly cosplaying the robot or just draw them as typical gross tumblr representation blobs that are entirely human to the point that they have no design elements that link back to the original.

What bugs me more is, as an artist, simpler and blockier mecha like transformers or gundum are actually great for practicing form and perspective (without worrying about organic forms or muscle movement etc), and it would do these artists good to actually draw on-model. But nah, that's hard and might look awkward and bad at first, so better not try and assert 'headcanon' designs as a valid substitute instead.

No. 1860100

>>1860042
I stopped reading fic but NGL every time I see untagged trans content (I've read several fics where a side character was not-subtly trans and even a F/F fic with "stealth" PIV) I get tempted to open an incognito window and comment "omg this triggered my dysphoria, can you please tag it"

No. 1860139

Does anyone know of a functional mass picture downloader for twitter? Some change elon made broke all the ones I knew of a while ago, and I don't want to do it by hand now that the media tab is fucked.

No. 1860152

>>1860139
hitomi dl

No. 1860167

>>1860152
I downloaded the chrome extension and it isn't showing up any options to mass download images, I don't understand

No. 1860180

>>1860139
wrong thread nonna

No. 1860192

>>1860167
its an app lol

No. 1860198

>>1857185
What I don't understand is why barafags seem to be attracted to ugly monsters like orcs? What do gay men like about them?

No. 1860202

File: 1705604172059.png (810.23 KB, 604x1995, Screenshot_1_18.png)

I am fascinated by this genre of fandom obsessed moron who are into moderately irrelevant pieces of older media. they are almost always fujos as well, usually into anything with al pacino and robert de niro. They exhibit the usual fandom mannerisms, calling the actors their babygirls, and referring to the actions of violent murdering criminals as them ovulating. It's pathetic and degenerate, yet I am intrigued by them.

No. 1860209

>>1860047
Why is there such a noticeable skill gap between Western and Asian fandom artists in general? For the Asian side there's probably a sampling bias (or whatever it's called), as in we only end up seeing the good ones because the bad artists aren't getting retweets but that still doesn't explain why the English side of fandom is so fucking bad at art sometimes. Oftentimes the best English artist doesn't come close to the average/mid Asian artist. Even for Genshin the good English-speaking artists are ESLs born in Asia and not ASAM. The thing that bewilders me the most is that it's possible to make trannywashed and raceswapped art look aesthetically pleasing but most of Westoids don't bother, it makes no sense. I'm tired of people drawing fuggos under the guise of "representation", it's quite telling if they think BIPOC = hideous monster and if you draw them nicely it's Eurocentric beauty standards.

No. 1860212

>>1860096
I agree with everything you said nona, I'm so sick of that part of the fandom and that's why I end up blocking or muting most of them. I would really like to learn a third language so I can communicate better with the Asian part of the fandom, I'm sure they have some degree of autism too lol

No. 1860222

>>1860100
Don't give those terrorists what they want. Any sort of comment, especially negative, will fuel their victim complex and will use your comment to showcase how oppressed they are and how "it's important to lift trans voices so please read my fic and give it kudos/comments to show your support for marginalized groups!"

No. 1860253

>>1860209
It's a hundred percent sampling bias. Unless you're Asian and surrounded by all other Asian artists, you're probably only exposed to the best of the best instead of the crap that gets barely no exposure in the English-speaking international part of the internet. When you dig past the surface into, say, Japanese or Korean artists you'll witness tons of horrendously bad art.

No. 1860256

>>1860253
the thing with even the bad asian artists is that, their bad art just looks amateur like you would expect less skilled artists to be, it's never a glorification of ugliness like how it is in the western fandom. Western fans, it often feels like they aren't just bad artists, it's like they're allergic to beauty itself

No. 1860281

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I love King of Fighters and talking about the characters with my friends, but good lord, some of the people are insufferable in the community and then I wonder why I only play it casually instead of wanting to learn it. There's a tweet going around about a guy going like "I'm not really into the game" and all of the replies are full of players of the game insulting him, saying crap like "you play X game so your opinion doesn't matter" or "you're just saying that because you suck lol". Then in a few days, those same fans will complain about why nobody wants to get into or play KOF.

The way that it gatekeeps really gets on my nerves, too. I play on fightcade, and never have I seen so many smurf accounts in my fucking life, and that's considering I've delved into other fighting games on that program. To keep it simple, players pretend to be "new" by keeping their low ranks, and if they rank up, they just make another account to target people who are really new at the game, rinse and repeat. Some even go in the lobby going like "I'm a noob, please go easy on me", before insulting you and saying you play like shit after they beat you.
I know the FGC is known for this bullcrap, but I can't seem to wrap my head around why KOF has this shit really bad in particular. Other retro games I've played have plenty of players of all skill levels, and it's a lot easier to get feedback from them, but all I've seen and experienced with KOF players is just rude snarkiness. It's just a fucking video game, so what would they gain by shitting on new players? lmfao

No. 1860285

>>1860253
There are good and bad artists of all ages and nationalities, it doesn't matter if you are a bad American, Mexican, Japanese artist, you are still a bad artist. But what I have noticed is that, while bad Japanese artists don't have any exposure and you only find them in the most recent pixiv posts, bad American artists are everywhere, they just have to add zipper tits and body hair to a popular character and that is enough for them to have thousands of likes and retweets just because it is progressive and representative art, even if it looks like it was drawn by a preschooler.

No. 1860296

>>1860253
When English-speaking artists suck at art they are horrendously bad at art. Like purposely drawing a character fat with a bajillion self-harm scars with body hair and piercings (not saying these features necessarily are bad on their own). When you look at shitty art on Pixiv most of the time it just looks "noob" ugly, not the full-on disgusting stuff that Anglos make.

No. 1860330

>>1860222
>Any sort of comment, especially negative, will fuel their victim complex and will use your comment to showcase how oppressed they are and how "it's important to lift trans voices so please read my fic and give it kudos/comments to show your support for marginalized groups!"
Except pulling the "this triggered muh dysphoria" card is playing by their game by pretending to be trans and getting offended by their "affirming" content. Some koolaid drinkers will ignore it but others will bend over backwards to appease their fellow kweer's feefees.

No. 1860388

>>1860281
I've been playing KOF since the 90's and I still suck at the fighting part, as in, I don't have any shit memorized and just hit what works and carries me through story mode.

No. 1860442

>>1860209
Asian schools have decent art programs and extracurriculars, meanwhile in the west not even art colleges are any good and don't teach fundamentals and is actively discouraged in favor of abstract or conceptual art. So the baseline level of an amateur asian highschool kid drawing some doujin for fun is better than western "pro" artists with artschool diplomas, same applies for eastern europeans, they also have great art education there, one of the few positive remnants of the soviet era

No. 1860446

>>1860281
Jut wait until you learn literaly all fighting game communities are like this
>>1860388
Dn't forget save states

No. 1860453

>>1860446
>Jut wait until you learn literaly all fighting game communities are like this
Street Fighter is even worse

No. 1860465

>>1860446
NTA but yeah it's so unfortunate I love fighting games but I hate everyone else who plays them kek

No. 1860470

>>1860281
Based KOF fan. Ignore the autists. It's weird af men wanna judge you based on who you play as. I was heavy into KOF and Soul Calibur. I dont give a fuck about a male's opinion.

No. 1860561

File: 1705633690983.mp4 (3.12 MB, 960x540, SUIhvRw.mp4)

I know this has been discussed to death already, but I still don't really understand why so many modern male anime dubbers sound like whiny faggot. I'm not trying to be homophobic or insulting, but scenes like this genuinely sounds like a group of random unfunny gay men reading something out loud.

No. 1860571

>>1860561
that sounds like a parody fandub made by a highschooler recording on his phone.

No. 1860585

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>>1860561
Also, they're just so unbelievably unfunny. They have to stop putting in dated twitter humor.

No. 1860594

>>1860561
>>1860585
it should be legal to stone dub watchers

No. 1860601

>>1860594
Believe me, I used to watch dubs exclusively because I found it easier. However, I stopped a few years back because modern dubbing is just so cringe.

No. 1860816

>>1860198
not into bara but big muscles and sometimes ugly/monstrous features are more interesting to look at/draw even if you don't necessarily find them attractive. some people also find the contrast of an outwardly thuggish/threatening character design behaving sweet/gentle/shy endearing, it's just a basic contrast thing (same with the opposite: a cute character being a wolf in sheep's clothing), then of course there's those that just find a domineering, brutish beastman hot (probably the majority).

No. 1860828

>>1859641
I've actually thought about learning Japanese to interact with JP fandom. I feel like there is a lot of anti-fujo hate in Western fandom, so I was considering if JP fandom would be a better alternative.

No. 1860840

>>1860212
ayrt, I wish you luck learning that third language, godspeed nona. I'm okay enough at Japanese to communicate with their side of the fandoms I'm in, and yes they definitely have their fair share of autism and drama, but it's still fun despite that and I've made a few good friends

No. 1860876

>>1860594
This applies to Japanese video games too. I'm sick of people saying a video game has a shitty story so the game is bad and then it turns out they played with some shitty Amerilard or Britbong dub that changes enough details or whole parts so the story gives off completely different vibes. And then I get called a weeb for playing with the original voices, as if playing in English made more sense despite me being ESL.

No. 1861047

>>1860876
I fucking hate this so much. I'm ESL and I've never played with the English dubs as unlike common burgers I'm capable of reading subtitles and listening to a language I don't understand (and because for me engdubs sound cheesy and overacted almost every time) so I always default to the original dub in games, anime, movies, etc. This leads to a situation where I end up reading the shittiest opinions from people because they've only seen the dubbed version that changed things around to accommodate actor ad-libbing so in worst cases the characters end up being completely different from their original portrayal. Like making someone who's stoic but polite into a brooding edgelord because the localizer was paid $5 an hour and he couldn't be assed to really understand the character at that price. And when I say I never do dubs I'm called a pompous weeb even when I explain that English isn't my native language so English would be "just as" foreign to me. Fuck engdubs and people who treat them as the default.

>>1860561
They get a minimal budget so they get non-union Z-list youtubers to do the voices and what you pay for is what you get. It's also why you constantly hear about engdub voice actor drama, they're freelancers without a manager so they get involved in every retarded fandom scuffle in existence.

No. 1861078

>>1860561
>>1860585
Compare these two scenes with an older dub. As a commentator said, there's a lot more personality to the voices compared to current dubs, which all seem to sound the same, i.e unfunny twittertards.

No. 1861083

>>1860561
… I've heard better voice acting (and dumb/bad jokes) out of ancient abridged series on youtube kek, wow. I think the faggy sound you're noticing is due to a lot of these people being from similar areas, being in the same circles as each other, being adult theatre kids, and them trying to imitate other dub actors. Plus a lot of them don't put on a character voice, they just speak normally while emoting to the script.

>>1861078
I think something that helped older dubs was that there were simply less of them, and sometimes they often came out some time after the original anime aired. There would be more production time for better localisation/understanding of the source material, you'd be able to actually audition VAs properly, and those VAs could have more time to figure out their performances. Older dubs aren't perfect, plenty are ridiculously bad, and everything I just wrote might have usually not occurred, but the current way dubs are churned out for far more animes now can't be good for the quality of the final product. Lot of VAs just do 'a' voice, rather than one more fit for a specific character and story/tone, and they have the emotional range of a shoe, but as long as they meet their deadlines and sound like they're 'acting', I'm sure no one running these productions really cares.

No. 1861093

File: 1705669035470.mp4 (2.73 MB, 1280x720, TN3PuNkaPd_Mmox_.mp4)

>>1861083
Another thing that helped was that anime voice actors were actual(or former) actors most of the time, who would also be doing voice work for western cartoons. However, when crunchyroll took over the industry, a gap started to emerge where cheaper internet-based LA dubbers suddenly took over the scene, and the quality of voice actors has never really been recovered.

No. 1861097

>>1861093
That and the cringy gendie cartoons they want to pass as anime is why i am never gonna give crunchyroll a single cent. Burgers getting into anime was a bad thing, americans always try to americanize everything.

No. 1861103

File: 1705670300729.jpg (3.12 MB, 2999x1999, Crunchyroll San Francisco.jpg)

>>1861097
Oh, but nonna, Who else will fund their expensive break rooms if you don't grace them with your patronage for their subpar services, shit localization and awful voice-acting?

No. 1861105

>>1861103
And none of that money is going to artists making the anime.

God, please nuke california

No. 1861107

>>1861093
True, and there seems to be less movement between cartoon voice acting and anime dubbing by actors, probably because both camps are pretty clique-y (from what I've heard, anyway).

I remember a brief period where some funimation dubs like a decade (or more) ago were actually getting pretty decent, but then it all went to shit kek, so yeah I agree that it's probably not going to get better on average for a long time.

>>1861103
This looks like an architectural concept by a weeb techbro in uni trying to depict their ideal breakroom lmao. so tacky.

No. 1861111

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>>1861107
>True, and there seems to be less movement between cartoon voice acting and anime dubbing by actors, probably because both camps are pretty clique-y (from what I've heard, anyway).
It's mostly due to unions. Most actors are in some type of established unions to negotiate pay in exchange for quality
>but then it all went to shit kek, so yeah I agree that it's probably not going to get better on average for a long time.
Probably the only thing that could save it, is if Crunhyroll goes bankrupt.
>This looks like an architectural concept by a weeb techbro in uni trying to depict their ideal breakroom lmao. so tacky..
but also very hipster-ish.

No. 1861120

>>1861111
I like the look tbh but just looking at all the seating options makes my butt hurt

No. 1861123

>>1861103
>>1861111
I wish our company's break room looked like that I find it unironically endearing in its tackiness

>>1861093
Basically this, dubbing was done by professional actors and voice artists and now it's the flash in the pan e-celeb because they're rarely unionized and they draw in a crowd just by their name. RWBY cast Jessica Nigri to ride her fame, the practice was kickstarted back in the early 00's when Dreamworks etc. chose to cast popular celebrities as the voices instead of people who knew how to work with voicing animated characters. Every now and then you get a dub that has a few veteran voice actors and the difference is astounding compared to the newer people who started out as streamers or influencers and made their way to acting because someone thought a good performer equals a good actor, or at least they can rely on their clout for more exposure. Voice acting in itself is its own field because you need to be able to emote without body language without making it sound obnoxious which is why the Japanese voice actors are usually professionals.

No. 1861137

>>1861107
>I remember a brief period where some funimation dubs like a decade (or more) ago were actually getting pretty decent, but then it all went to shit kek, so yeah I agree that it's probably not going to get better on average for a long time.
I know what you mean. That was when a lot of character actors started getting into voice-acting. None of them were absolute A-listers, but there were some big names like JK Simmons and Clancy Brown, who had been voice acting for a long period. Like I doubt anyone in modern dubbing could pull off a genuine performance like vidrel for e.g.

No. 1861143

>>1861103
this looks like shit honestly

No. 1861148

>>1861143
They probably spent a couple million just decorating that ugly ass room. Peak SanFran.

No. 1861150

>>1861103
>>1861111
they tried so hard to make it cool, fun, and weeby, yet it still looks cold and soulless. Impressive, really.

No. 1861155

All this talk reminds me of when the OPM anime got a French dub and Saitama was dubbed by some random white French rapper I never heard about before that and it was advertised everywhere, and my coworkers from back then were like "hey anon I know you like anime, did you know Saitama is voiced by [legit can't remember that rapper's name]? You should watch that one!" and they could barely hide their shock or disgust when I told them I had no clue who tf that was. I guess they were also assuming I'd listen to shitty rap just because of my race on top of that tbh but that makes it even worse. Meanwhile, Makoto Furukawa is an actually good singer on top of being a competent voice actor.

No. 1861158

File: 1705681086100.jpeg (118 KB, 828x1102, IMG_5239.jpeg)

This made me kek

No. 1861159

>>1861078
>>1861083
>>1861093
I was always a vocal dub hater (with few exceptions) when I was a weeb in high school but I noticed that dubs have gotten increasingly worse after Crunchyroll took over. I'd take an old school Funimation or ADV dub from the 90s-00s now over anything aired in the last decade.

No. 1861163

>>1861158
kek I hate reading shit like this, it's like it was spat out by an ai with a learning disability.

I have never touched the game, but dead by daylight's fandom is full of this kind of thing and it fascinates me.

No. 1861171

>>1861148
and it looks awful. How did a bar owner manage to make something miles better? CR offices look unfinished and super dark

No. 1861174

>>1861158
i miss when we cyberbullied people like this

No. 1861216

>>1861158
Schizos shouldn't be allowed to use the internet because wtf is this

No. 1861244

>>1861163
that image looks fake to me but i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. this stuff comes out of dead by daylight because most of their original characters have short backstories that make it easy to project whatever you want on them, and the setting forces these random characters together

No. 1861251

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>>1861111
>>1861103
I'm genuinely confused, how the fuck does a company have these elaborate room spaces that cost millions of dollars to set up and hundreds of thousands to maintain, yet have such cheap-sounding voice actors?

No. 1861266

>>1861158
mental illness

No. 1861273

>>1861251
It wouldn't be the first or the last company to be cheap as fuck when it comes to their actual work while HR and managers are doing the most to make the company seem cool and fun with perks that don't matter all that much at the end of the day.

No. 1861283

>>1861251
American tech companies are gigantic ponzi schemes that fake growth over-inflating their budgets meanwhile there's nothing under the hood.

No. 1861427

I feel like weebs always have a "the grass is always greener on the other side" mentality regarding anime dubs, and fandoms. JP fandoms can be just as bad as Western fandoms, you just don't understand Japanese. Especially when it comes to Japanese moids, it's hard to find one that isn't a creep in some way. The women are okay though, but their arguments are over such technical and little things that it gets annoying. And even when it comes to JP dubs, there are certain voice actors that are bad or just have a certain dialect that is hard to listen to

No. 1861432

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>>1860198
They're basically the gay version of that beetle experiment thing

No. 1861435

File: 1705701066016.png (1.47 MB, 603x3426, v1389v.png)

This degen behavior, is why I'm against all forms of pro-shipping.

No. 1861441

>>1861435
>take scrote porn meme
>improve it by turning it into yaoi
based af

No. 1861442

>>1861427
>The women are okay though, but their arguments are over such technical and little things that it gets annoying.
i'd take a billion daily arguments about technical little details any day over arguments about tranny headcanons and constant moralfagging

No. 1861444

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>>1861435
I hate when they take real situations and make it about proshipping

No. 1861445

File: 1705701613769.jpeg (27.76 KB, 253x188, IMG_4147.jpeg)

>>1861435
This is more of a symptom of general fandom porn addiction than pro-shipping. Both sides can’t resist these tired-ass “memes”, it’s just one side is fatter and more tit chopped than the other.

No. 1861446

>>1861444
neither your example nor what anon posted are related to proshipping discourse

No. 1861447

>>1861435
If I hear your underage ass talk about this retarded twitter proantishipping shit one more time I'll go full a-log.

No. 1861448

>>1861446
The person in the screenshot is a notorious proshipper named Skye

No. 1861449

>>1861448
How should i know? you crop the name and posted it without context. Some of you are equally retarded as the proshippers, and probably equally underage.

No. 1861450

>>1861441
A non-porn addicted reaction is to be disgusted by it, not dwell on it and think about it as yaoi sex. like this is literally you >>1861445

No. 1861451

>>1861450
Let your brother use the computer for a moment, Paki-chan. You've had enough.

No. 1861452

>>1861449
>getting this mad over a poorly cropped twitter screenshot
Please calm down, nonny

No. 1861453

I thought we told you faggots to quit taking sides on this shit

No. 1861454

>>1861453
Did you forget? You can only be critical of one side here or else you're pakichan

No. 1861455

>>1861454
That goes equally for you as well retard.

No. 1861456

>>1861450
wrong thread pakic-, i mean nonny, let me redirect you to the correct one >>1628970

No. 1861457

Interesting, how fujoshis seem to side with and find common ground male with male coomers, and accuse radfems of being "prudes" I wonder how that happens?(bait)

No. 1861458

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No. 1861459

Remember to ignore and report nonacitas

No. 1861461

>>1861455
I'm not pro or against anything, I like making fun of both sides. I just think it's funny how this thread clearly gets mad at anyone who mentions proshippers in a negative way. They should really take "proshipping vs. antishipping" out of the OP, like was discussed in the last thread. But I guess whoever made the OP forgot.
>>1861457
Asking a group of people who make 50+ page documents supporting how proshipping leads to trooning to not be coomers is insane kek

No. 1861464

>>1861463
Sorry, I'm not >>1861435

No. 1861465

>>1861461
the screenshot you posted isnt even about proship, are you retarded and think proship just means someone who's into shipping? all of the examples you posted are of grown adults and wouldnt be considered proship territory.

No. 1861466

>>1861452
She's right tho, wtf even is a notorious proshipper? There is nothing notorious about that

No. 1861469

>>1861435
>check one of these accounts
>greeted by uncensored pictures of Iraq War prisoners being tortured
fandom activism strikes again

No. 1861470

>>1861469
was it the Chinese BL one?

No. 1861471

>>1861466
notorious in the way of always being at the scene of the crime lol if there's any proshipping arguments on twitter, her and her friends will always be there. she hasn't done much other than being a tranny tho

No. 1861472

>>1861470
No, the CoD account

No. 1861473

>>1861427
>Especially when it comes to Japanese moids, it's hard to find one that isn't a creep in some way.
Exactly the same as male nerds in other countries then.

>The women are okay though, but their arguments are over such technical and little things that it gets annoying.

Way better than being harassed by TIFs or female normies for reading BL or for playing JRPGs with cute female characters.

>And even when it comes to JP dubs, there are certain voice actors that are bad or just have a certain dialect that is hard to listen to

They're a minority and usually you only hear them when the original audio is Japanese so at least you can just tell yourself that this is how the characters are supposed to sound to begin with. Unlike when you're not even from an English speaking country and you want to play a Japanese video game and the only option you have is to listen to chain smoking Amerilard voice actors in their 50s saying outdated memes in their microphones because American and European video game companies are cheap as fuck. At least come up with better arguments, I'm sure there are several you can find that actually prove your point about grass being greener on the other side.

I'm trying to find some and legit the only one I can find is super niche: some Japanese fujoshi get their BL manga in France, Germany or the USA so they can see the characters' uncensored dicks and they're jealous that some countries don't have censorship. Or some Japanese fans of Uchikoshi's video games are jealous that he only posts in English and not in Japanese on twitter so they can't ask questions about their favorite characters or games. Like, that's really it. I think a better comparison would have been to talk about Japanese westboos getting some Western games censored or having fucked up translations for Hollywood movies' subtitles (I've heard about it because of a specific old lady translator but I don't remember her name).

No. 1861474

>>1861469
it should be a bannable offense to post gore on twitter

No. 1861481

>>1861474
nta I looked up the account as well and technically it's not gore, it's just that pic of those Iraqi prisoners arranged in a pyramid.

No. 1861482

>>1861445
MTE. I dislike proshippers because they're too prone to defending IRL porn but I've been in fandoms with just as many "antis" that are raging coomers too.

No. 1861484

>>1861435
>Chinese adults, it's Asian so maybe noncon, idk
>CoD soldiers, probably adults and mostly headcanon
>jjk, midtwenties unless it's flashback, in which case maybe minor coded??
The porn meme is cringe but U thought proshipping was more about minors, noncon, and other weird shit like incest.

No. 1861485

>>1861484
it's pakichan dont engage

No. 1861493

>>1861484
>The porn meme is cringe but U thought proshipping was more about minors, noncon, and other weird shit like incest.
Proshipping technically is about the old-school fandom "don't like, don't read" / "ship and let ship" mantra to not harass people over fiction, but 99% of them are into things like that. I've honestly never seen a self-proclaimed proshipper that was "vanilla".

No. 1861495

>>1861493
>I've honestly never seen a self-proclaimed proshipper that was "vanilla".
Would the JJK one counts as a vanilla ship, albeit a sad one?

No. 1861499

>>1861495
I know fuck all about any of these ships, but no one in the screenshot is calling themselves proshipper and given that none of them seem degenerate enough, we have no reason to believe they do. Unless just shipping anything is enough to get people placed in the proship side? Is that a thing? Gross and cringe meme either way

No. 1861519

The pro/anti shit only exists to harass women who dont adhere to the strict and ever-changing list of things thats ok to schlick to as a woman, and not to stop pedos. It's retarded to engage with it because it's always in bad faith and used to silence and cancel women they dont like, rather than a genuine concern for victims.

No. 1861526

>>1861519
Based as fuck nonna

No. 1861534

>>1861519
The most based post in this thread

No. 1861535

>>1861519
It's so obvious that I don't get why people just don't get it. It's just common sense that fangirls are constantly told what to do and what to think and being shit talked for liking hot fictional guys. God forbid women are yumejoshi or fujoshi, that's haram according to the tumblr/twitter police. It's the same shit as when teenage girls were very into these shitty Twilight movies and novels like sure, it's shit but these girls were having a lot of fun and harming nobody at all so why insult them.

No. 1861550

>>1859581
I don't know what it is about western fabdoms insisting to draw cute characters as ugly as possible. I want to post one example from my fandom, but I feel it might "out" me, and considering how retarded this specific "fandom lesbian" is, I don't need her or her retarded fans coming after me.

No. 1861552

>>1861550
kek post it anyway, or at least tell us what media it's from.

No. 1861566

>>1857914
>>1857908
>>1857905
This is God’s way of nudging you out of escapism and back into the real world. You have to make effort into creating the life you want here, instead of wishing for utopia.

No. 1861567

>>1861566
You lost?

No. 1861569

>>1861519
This is why I enjoy whatever the fuck I like no matter how questionable it is. I don't care to listen to these people.

No. 1861580

>>1861535
I dont care about vivzie, but seeing how the same fanbase treats her, a woman, compared to a tranny, when the tranny has done equally questionable things, if not worse, opened my mind. Like seriously, it's crazy how obvious it is the anti/pro bullshit is purely to target women. If vivizie had drawn her sad gaybois getting their head drilled, tweeted that she ''wanted to destroy the life of the kids who watch her show(groom them)'' or drawn a lolibait character like that goosetranny her career would be fucking over.

No. 1861596

>>1861550
People like that are dime a dozen, if her follower count is in the thousands then I doubt posting her art will out you.

No. 1861606

>>1861580
Vivzie is an easy target because her company and her are milky as Hell, as well as how she acts on Twitter. Though I get what you mean, I don't think she's the best example. Plus her show is just straight garbage kek

No. 1861611

>>1861606
I am using her as comparison because both HH and Digital Circus share the same autistic fanbase. Fun how everyone is shitting on vivzie for making an angsty edgy scene of her gay twink getting abused, meanwhile goosetranny gets to display all of his fucked up fetishes and implement them to his show, then brag about it on twitter like a groomer and no one cares

No. 1861616

>>1861611
Sorry for asking to be spoonfed, but what did the creator of digital circus do? I know his fanbase is just a bunch of coomers, but is there a controversy?

No. 1861617

>>1861251
Insight from someone who actually works in the American Dubbing industry, it’s because they underpay the voice actors so much that no self respecting professional would ever willingly do it. The standard rate per hour from a professional studio is anywhere from $200-250 USD per hour. This is for original content too, like movies or video games where the lines are recorded ahead of time. Dubbing is ADR, which is going over something already animated and syncing it. This is not an easy skill, and a lot of voice actors charge 50-100 USD extra for this skill. So, for a professional voice actor to dub over an anime, that would be around 250-400 US dollars per hour, which is standard for video game/animation. The average pay for dubbing in California (which has the highest paying salary in the US) is about 75-80 dollars per hour. This also includes the fact anime has a lot more vocally straining work, no self respecting voice actor is gonna do that unless anime is a passion for them. That’s why a lot of dubs tend to have amateurish voices.
The thing is, even in the dubbing industry, everyone hates Crunchyroll because of the fact they can ABSOLUTELY afford to pay the industry standard for their voice actors, but they don’t. The good voice actors of the past have now raised their standards, and are no longer willing to work for such a low industry rate. So they hire new, amateur voice actors who think 75 bucks per hour for ADR work is a great deal, and that’s why new anime sucks. Even passionate voice actors who love anime are dropping Crunchyroll because of how bad it is.

No. 1861618

>>1861611
>meanwhile goosetranny gets to display all of his fucked up fetishes and implement them to his show, then brag about it on twitter like a groomer and no one cares
When did he do this?

No. 1861621

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>>1861614
>>1861618
imagine if vivzie said this, everyon would accuse her of trying to groom children into fujoism

No. 1861627

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Almost every self-proclaimed himejoshi/"yuri enjoyer" is like this now. You would've never seen these types of tweets get almost 20k likes pre-covid, just "I hc them as bi4bi excuses. It's honestly amazing how hetfags find new ways to simultaneously ship mostly m/f while jerking themselves off for being woke and "not like the other boring hetshippers". One of the worst trends to come out of the yaoi yuri revival.

No. 1861628

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>>1861552
At the top we have Belphegor and Diavolo (Obey Me!). At the bottom we have whatever monstrosities the artist thinks should pass for Belphegor and Diavolo. This particular artist finds the characters to be "unrealistic," failing to realize that no woman who plays otome games wants to look at ugly men.

No. 1861634

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>>1861621
proof of his degeneracy

No. 1861635

>>1861628
KEKKKKKKK this is simultaneously the best and worst answer. What's on the blue haired ones body? Is that fucking leprosy lmfao?

No. 1861637

File: 1705716809091.png (Spoiler Image,539.49 KB, 599x1264, drilling.png)

>>1861634
he also has a ryona fetish, what a coincidencer his loli mc whose totes 25yo is constantly in fear

No. 1861639

>>1861628
kek why does the right one have mold?

No. 1861640

>>1861621
I know Goose is a weirdo pervert but I really think people are taking these posts out of context. If anything I think he's fucking retarded for wording his post like this because it undoubtedly makes him sound like a groomer. He's talked before about how TADC is going to be dark/upsetting at parts. That's what I thought he was referring to when I first saw these tweets.

No. 1861641

>>1861640
anon, he's
>a tranny
>with fucked up fetishes
>who made the mc of his ryona fetish show a clown loli
pls, he's terminally online enough to indulge in weird autistic shit like inflation and purposefully add a tumblr sexy man yet you are giving him the benefit of the doubt? you sound very new

No. 1861642

He's also super honest about his fetishes on his main despite KNOWING his fanbase is full of children. C'mon. If you know part of your fanbase is children enough to brag about it, why would you make snarky comments about your drilling and inflation fetish on main, outside of saying to your followers they can draw porn of the characters because they are all of age(totally…)

No. 1861646

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>>1861635
>>1861639
In his demon form, he has cow markings on his clothes. I suppose they were trying to replicate that.

No. 1861650

>>1861627
I have so much more respect for hetshippers who don't pull this crap. It's fine to like M/F, you don't have to pretend they're bi4bi or "transgay" (AKA spicy straight) to justify it. Only very niche corners of fandom or specific overzealous retards that are easy to block throw a fit over het in general.

No. 1861655

>>1861642
Goose never intended for TADC to be for children. He really hates that kids are into it. Just because a creator suddenly gets a following of children doesn't mean that they're obligated to make themselves safe for children.
>>1861641
>you are giving him the benefit of the doubt
Yes, because he dislikes his younger following and he wants to double down on making the show as depressing as possible to make it appeal to kids as little as possible

No. 1861660

>>1861655
The normal way to express that would be a serious "this is not for children" warning rather than boasting about doubling down on the messed up stuff to own the kiddos

No. 1861661

>>1861655
you are being way to charitable to that freak

No. 1861662

>>1861655
I dont see him complaining about his child fanbase though. I see him salivating at the though of ''ruining'' children. He resembles Shmorky so much. Also, loling at the ''umm he didnt meant the show to be for children'' its an animated show with a colorful cast posted on youtuber FOR FREE. He knew and he didnt care and now is masturbating to the idea of children developing weird fucked fetishes thanks to his fetish show.

No. 1861666

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>>1861655
Nyart, you can give him the benefit of the doubt but it still doesn't change the fact that Vivziepop has a bunch of loud haters (not fans!) trying to cancel her at every single turn for adding "problematic content" to her adult-only cartoons, while Gooseworx is left untouched despite the fact he has done and written a slew of far worse things. If this is not fandom double standards idk what it is. It's the nth example that women get scrutinized over everything they make and must always apologize for angering the retards mob, while men can create whatever the fuck they want and people even praise them whenever they act edgy.

No. 1861676

>>1861655
I agree. His tweet clearly seemed like a joke, don't know why nonnas are taking it so serious. About his inflation and ryona though, that's just pure trash kek
>>1861666
They need to stop trying to cancel her for having problematic stuff in her content, and cancel her for not being able to write

No. 1861679

>>1861666
I never said anything about Vivziepop, I just joined this conversation. I don't disagree with what you're saying, you made a good post. The double standard fucking sucks.

No. 1861681

>>1861676
>don't know why nonnas are taking it so serious
You seriously cant be so naive. Men dont shy away from screaming about their intentions. Why would they? if they can say weird fucked up shit and never get called out.

No. 1861683

>>1861676
If you knew one thing about trannies you wouldn't be giving him an inch on this. When it comes to coom, they literally relish in exposing unwilling participants, especially women and children

No. 1861685

Some of you are too young, if you were there for the Shmorky days you would understand how similarly they behave. It's only a matter of time before the grooming allegations hit goosetranny. Every single scrote in the animation industry is a degenerate, but the ones i fear the most are those who are open about their fetishes because they feel untouchable.

No. 1861694

>>1861685
How is their behavior similar? It's been a while since I've read up on Shmorky

No. 1861722

>>1861681
This tweet >>1861621 is a joke? I don't know if you're talking about his other tweets, which I agree are cow behavior, but that tweet was not serious. Nonetheless, we all don't like men here, I'm not defending anyone

No. 1861726

>>1861722
sure anon, the piss, incest and anal references in rick and morty were also jokes

No. 1861728

>>1860025
Reporting them for untagged content doesn't really work unless it's something like rape/noncon/etc, I've personally had reports rejected regarding untagged trans.

No. 1861732

>>1861726
For you and others who don't get it, he's making a joke about how his show is mature and not intended for children, and he will cater to his original target audience. Also I don't like any western animation, so I will only agree with any jabs you take to it lmao

No. 1861736

>>1861732
but did he really need to say ''ruin their life'' like a gross coomer.

No. 1861739

>>1861732
This explains it perfectly, thank you
>>1861736
No

No. 1861740

>>1861736
Of course he did, because he's a gross coomer. Whether his tweet was a joke or not doesn't matter because a reasonable person in his position wouldn't post it.

No. 1861788

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>Looks just as bad if not even worse

No. 1861800

>>1861788
Worse. Definitely worse. At least the original wasn't overweight

No. 1861829

>>1861788
how do you manage to make some 12yos first sparkle dog worse? i also love how she throws ''lol'' and ''imo'' to seem more impersonal, but then humble brags about how her design is sooo much better to the point she needs a watermark so it doesnt get stolen

No. 1861893

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kek I can't believe there are people defending troonworx when this retard draws shit like this:
https://litter.catbox.moe/8ehurc.zip

No. 1861894

>>1861893
Ugh gives me goonclown flashbacks. Why are troons incapable of being normal.

No. 1861925

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speaking of coomers, there was a discussion in another thread, about how creators can be coomers and porn-addicts, but can create decent media cause they have more interesting frames of references, do you agree?

No. 1861928

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I like how she goes from
>White people are racist because I said so
to
>WHY DOES THIS JAPANESE GAME HAVE NO ENGLISH

No. 1861929

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No. 1861936

>>1861928
>>1861929
We need to gatekeep EOP from everything
>waaah this Japanese game is in Japanese
>nooo how dare people who are most likely ESL and learning new phrases through online exposure to the English language using a phrase they saw a few times online correctly??? racists!!!

No. 1861937

>>1861928
>>1861929
Is it true that Americans only consume media in English and don't bother learning new languages?

No. 1861940

>>1861937
A decade ago on tumblr I kept seeing people being like "no you can't learn Japanese or Korean for manga or Kpop songs that's racist, stereotyping and fetishizing" and it was said without a ounce of sarcasm. Sometimes these people would add that you can learn these languages but only "to experience theie real cultures", whatever that means. They were also shit talking teaboos because of how popular Sherlock BBC or Doctor Who were back then, but ignoring the fact that some of them had English as a second or third language.

No. 1861941


No. 1861943

>>1861788
>"clashing"
>"overcomplicated"
>says the very basic ear design would be better simplified
>proceeds to make a design that is even more difficult to animate

No. 1861945

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>>1861617
nta but Thanks. That pretty much explains everything. I assume the cheaper VAs don't push for higher wages because they know they'd be easily replaced if that were the case. It sucks that this is the situation we have to deal with, but as another nonna said, the only hope is if Crunchyroll fails as a business.

No. 1861946

>>1861937
Yes people only consume media in the language they understand this applies to French, Spanish and even Japanese people

No. 1861955

>>1861946
Yes and no a lot of people outside the US learn or fluently speak several languages and a bunch of people are nerdy enough to do that just because they want to understand things themselves. Plenty of people are ok with experiencing movies or tv shows or video games in their original languages as long as subtitles are provided but that's more like in-between. Since a lot of movies, shows, games, songs, etc. are made by Americans for Americans I assume people just didn't feel the need to learn a language just to check, idk, new anime or kdramas or whatever is currently popular until recently. Meanwhile in France we (badly) learn English in school but many people practice during their free time so they can watch Hollywood movies without putting up with a French dub because French movies suck ass or so they can read novels originally written in English like HP or Sherlock Holmes or whatever because they're fun classics.

No. 1861956

>>1861937
>Look at me being morally superior because I know more than one language wah wah wah
If I were a native English speaker I wouldn't bother with a new language either that's for sure.

No. 1861958

>>1861621
>>1861634
>>1861637
>>1861893
Honestly. Imagine for a moment if this was Vivziepop. She would be absolutely over and driven out with pitchforks for being a "degenerate groomer pushing her fetishes on children" but because it's a moid even anons in here are doing the "n-no you don't understand it's a joke out of context!" defense to whiteknight him while this goddamn thread gets derailed all the time to whine about how problematic and misogynistic vivzie is for having a gay yaoi boy in the spotlight of her show or something.

>>1861788
And speaking of her these HH redesigns make me cringe, it always reminds me of that blue girl redlining meme from ancient Lolcow.

No. 1861962

>but their arguments are over such technical and little things that it gets annoying
kek i feel you, but this is just what otaku do, right? female nerds should split hairs over lore and who's top/bottom, not use a vague set of moral rules to cut each others' throats.
it's obvious 'antiship' is a sneaky way to gatekeep male-dominated industries. i keep seeing otherwise misogynistic weebs defend female creators against other girls/women, it's so bizarre. women in america are nothing like female mangaka in terms of reach and impact. i know this point has been discussed ITT but then, i also wonder why anglo fandoms are the worst when it comes to this. euro weebs who don't pander to americans are generally more chill, even if it's starting to bleed here. is it the tranny shit preventing them from having any kind of sex-based solidarity (even in the unconscious)? or something else

No. 1861973

>>1861958
Fully agreed, it's also why I can't take the western animation thread seriously as it's just the same few anons obsessing over whenever Vizie as much as breathes when the entire industry is filled with cows so much more interesting then her. I still have yet to see anything about her that's milk worthy that isn't just 'oh her show is cringe'.

No. 1861988

>>1861958
>but because it's a moid even anons in here are doing the "n-no you don't understand it's a joke out of context!" defense to whiteknight him
I was defending him because it was obviously a stupid coomer joke, not because he's a moid. You are seriously fucking retarded if you think someone defending Gooseworx means they're automatically critical of Vivziepop. I don't give a shit about Vivziepop.

No. 1861992

>>1861988
See, it doesn't really matter if it's a joke or not. The point is that if Vivziepop made the same "joke" she would be crucified immediately because she's a woman who gets stoned for way less than that.

No. 1862005

>>1861962
YOU ARE ON THE SAME SIDE AS MALE COOMERS, dumbass(bait)

No. 1862010

>>1861925
Auteur Theory is not real, anon.

No. 1862028

>>1861788
I love fan/hater redesigns like this, they always end up feeling so laughably arrogant. They try to point out everything 'wrong' with the original using whatever (usually limited) design knowledge they have, and then proceed to not only fail to give any good solutions, but also make new problems on top of that (especially in regards to animation or readability). It's great.

>eyebrows make him look like a peacock

I guess the only giga-brow character she's seen is the peacock from kung fu panda? I like that her solution is apparently bad drag makeup, very nice kek

No. 1862032

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>>1861973
>>1861958
At this point I'm convinced that that the western animation thread is full of underages or 18 yos who once loved Hazbin Hotel but felt betrayed as Vivziepop's work went on. Maybe there's even some ex-Aidens who always hated the show.
The most ridiculous part about Vivziepop haters both here and on other websites is that there's not one of them that's not obsessed like a fan would be: they watch all of her content to nitpick to death (not different from watching every frame to make insane theories), they all make redesigns (kinda like OCs), they all rewrite the story "because the concept is so cool but badly done" (basically fanfiction). I can't imagine spending so much creative power over something I hate or even dislike.

Oh, and so many of Vivziepop's haters seem to be jealous of her. Her opportunities, her badly executed ideas, etc. Why does this woman cause so much seething in other women especially? It can't be all shitty writing and supposedly "nepotism" because Rebecca Sugar got both of those things without ammassing such dedicated haters.
Are they jealous of Vivziepop's shamelessly doing things with self-serving indulgence? Her totally self-aware love for 2007 teenager cringe? Do they see and chastitize their past self in her?

No. 1862040

>>1862028
They also almost always remove the appealing things found in the original designs, like the palette or the cute faces. Honestly not unlike ugly western fanart.

No. 1862043

>>1861925
I think creators can be coomers but still put out good work if they can keep that aspect mostly separate from their work (or entirely if that's more appropriate)– I say mostly because adult animated comedies, for example, have such a low bar that I don't care if some pornsick rot seeps through compared to ones where it's every second joke or line or visual. It would also be nice if I can consume their media without having to also know just how degenerate they are or what they create on the side is. If a person is well-read they're probably gonna create better media regardless, so I think that's the quality that usually gets these creators their jobs and that their coomer tendencies have little to do with anything other than potentially marring their work.

However, certain kinds of degeneracy are just a big no, like a creator liking/making racy bdsm art is whatever but anything pedo/shota/loli can fuck right off and will make me feel like dropping their work.

No. 1862050

I think the issue with Vivziepop is that unfortunately, the type of media she creates will doom her to having a fandom that not only skews younger, but also attracts the edgy, socially inept, gender confused retards of the world. She will always find herself tagged in virtue signaling posts or mentally challenged "think pieces" or the typical fandom sperging, mostly because she's too involved in her social media presence and keeps feeding into it, and the other because again, fandom full of dumb. It's probably frustrating that as an adult with their own show, you can't even attempt to address the more mature themes of your clearly adult oriented show without recieving backlash or having to backtrack on your vision.

No. 1862059

>>1861621
I get where the 'it's a joke' anon/s are coming from, as yeah, this is a shitty joke (or goal) that's pretty common to see from people making childish horror content- there's often a desire among those types to recreate (intentionally) their 'childhood trauma' from watching kids stuff with fucked/creepy shit in it in their own audiences. Not actual trauma-trauma, by the way, but how they felt when they saw something like the 'you're not perfect' scene in Courage the Cowardly Dog or whatever.

With that said, fuck gooseworx I have no faith in him not using his reach and TADC to be a creep or try to spread his fetishes to his audience. He's blatantly encouraging his fanbase to be degenerate already, it'll likely only get worse if the show manages to maintain its popularity.

No. 1862063

>>1862032
agree so much with you nona, that thread gets so tiring whenever Viv-hate becomes the focus. I hope she can continue failing (or flailing) upwards and into success, I'm happy to see a woman get so far in the industry and be so shameless about her interests, even if I don't like them personally.

No. 1862070

>>1862005
take a deep breath. you can dislike male coomers and still not have an issue with women being a little weird in peace

>>1862032
very true, i'm not exactly a fan but she is free, she's having fun, she's carved a place for herself, why hate that. it feels like a more extreme version of the strange love/hate thing that went on between tumblr users and [insert fandom]. this one work is their entire personality but in reality they hate it and think it's really the most problematic thing on earth!!

No. 1862155

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>>1861928
How do this type of people cope with the game being shotafag heaven and having cards like this?

No. 1862160

>>1862155
>how do these people cope
I don't think they do, that's probably why they spaz out

No. 1862161

>>1862032
I hate having to share the animation cows thread with hazbinfags. I want to read about my favourite cow, aang, and her circle of equally cringy backstabbing trannies. Hazbin isnt even ''so bad its funny'' like trolls 2, it's just a show made for a very specific audience.

No. 1862166

>>1862059
there is already an scene where the character voiced by goosetroon licks the vomit of the loli character

No. 1862167

>>1862032
>The most ridiculous part about Vivziepop haters both here and on other websites is that there's not one of them that's not obsessed like a fan would be: they watch all of her content to nitpick to death (not different from watching every frame to make insane theories), they all make redesigns (kinda like OCs), they all rewrite the story "because the concept is so cool but badly done" (basically fanfiction). I can't imagine spending so much creative power over something I hate or even dislike.
This has always mystified me about those spergs in the western animation thread and adjacent spaces. They consoom every little bit of content Vivzie puts out to pick it to death and then draw redesigns they obviously spent a considerable amount of time on despite supposedly hating her so much. It makes no sense. I couldn't spend all that mental energy on something I didn't love.

>Are they jealous of Vivziepop's shamelessly doing things with self-serving indulgence?

I honestly feel this is the root cause because they keep seething and seething over her specifically delivering the aesthetic she loves so much while they're stuck in their self conscious ironic phase where you can't have fun or be true to yourself because someone might find it cringe. Vivziepop is one of those rare unicorns in the animation scene who wasn't carried by nepotism thorough but years and years of hard work and staying loyal to her goals. She's been making indie animations since forever and never really defaulted to pandering, she just wanted to do what she found enjoyable and I can totally respect that. Too bad such attitude also attracts the worst insecure crabs who wish they had that kind of driving force.

No. 1862170

>>1862167
Its literally one kiwifag obssesed with hating on fujos. She's the one that has been shitting up the thread with her insanity.

No. 1862175

>>1861435
>>1861444
>included someone saying pornography is a cancer as "degen"
>mad at someone rightfully calling nonces child predators
Are you a brainrotted pornchimp mad that women are mocking and calling you out while daring to have their own sexual interests? Kys

No. 1862178

>>1862175
Don't interact with her autism.

No. 1862181

>>1862032
In fairness, I saw the same deal with My Hero Academia.
People will shit on it, redesign the designs, fanfic to hell and back, do whatever except put the series down and look at something they might actually like.

No. 1862182

>>1862175
It's Paki-chan. She thinks all women who aren't tradwives are "porn addicts".

No. 1862183

>>1861666
Honestly, I think it's because Vivzie added m/m content to her show.

People who like m/m are put under way more scrutiny than people who like m/f or f/f.

No. 1862186

>>1862181
Its social media rot. Everyone thinks they need to be part of the "conversation" for everything thats trending.

No. 1862187

>>1862181
yeah, and while these behaviours can be found in any fandom, I do think there's a bit of a 'network' of fandoms that some of this crowd will turn out to have belonged to that encouraged this stuff more than others- for example, I've seen quite a few people who went from redesigning and hatewatching SU to doing the same with MHA or the next fandom they hop to after it inevitably falls from grace.

No. 1862188

>>1862187
i hate both SU and MHA but its hilarious how the redesigns are almost always 10x more horrible kek

No. 1862195

>>1861946
In Latam everyone is used to consuming media in other languages with subtitles. Kids learn english simply by trying to understand games in english but when i visited Spain is was much much different because they expect everything to be localized for PAL and get really pissed when it isn't, back home we mostly got stuff imported directly from Burgerlandia and we are used to having to use bootlegs and piracy sites to watch things from Japan or Europe so either you learn to read, learn english or cope.

No. 1862198

>>1862187
Like a parasitic hivemind of bad taste and art?

No. 1862201

Why do so many women on tumblr want to husbandofy Robespierre

No. 1862202

>>1862188
same and I love those redesigns. The arrogance, misunderstanding of basic design principals, how they miss the forest for the trees, it's hilarious.

>>1862198
kek kind of. In general, you can make a pretty good guess of what fandoms an artist has been in previously if you're familiar enough with that work– you can clock small design traits, especially in eyes/ears/hands, for example, as well as bigger aesthetic ones. As for behaviour, that's a bit harder to pin down, although some fandoms cultivate such specific attitudes that you can tell when one of theirs has popped up in a different fandom. It's interesting once you notice it.

No. 1862205

>>1862201
who. also they husbando weird/ugly things because its quirky, look at how much attention randyfag gets.

No. 1862214

>>1862170
I mean, it's clearly not one person.

No. 1862216

>>1862214
No nona can't you see, I have the ability to identify specific anonymous users and definitely don't mistake posts from one user for posts from another user! I am not delusional

No. 1862224

>>1862214
The one that's super spergy and goes on and on about fujos and her character being male vessels is definetly her. Ofcourse there is more than one vivzie hater, but the other ones seem normal and come from either being dissapointed at the show or because vivzie can be cringe at time.

No. 1862231

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King Magnifico from wish. is a great example of why writers relying on tropes for characters can mess things up. Originally, both the king and queen were supposed to be classic disney villains. There was nothing subtle about them, and it really could have been great to have a classic disney villain. However, it seems like some producer wanted the story to be changed to make them more sympathetic. So, both the king and queen were downgraded as being well-meaning people. The king specifically was given a dark backstory, and his motivation was to protect people so that no one suffers and feels trauma like he did. You could have had a decent sad villain with this, someone who wants to do well but takes away the freedom and expression of his people. In the end, he would have realized his mistakes. But then, as this was being done, some other producer saw the success of Puss in Boots and Spiderverse and wanted him to be an over-the-top villain again without erasing the previous well-meaning aspects. As a result, you end up with a really confusing mess of a character.

No. 1862234

>>1861925
>>1862043
Yeah, but it applies to creators in general who have more life experience or a wider variety of influences and integrate that into their work instead of having it stick out like a sore thumb or revolve around their coomerism.

No. 1862235

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>>1862231
remember when disney was trying to turn him into a tumblr sexy man?

No. 1862236

>>1862235
God I hate modern disney artstyle so much

No. 1862237

>>1862155
ngl cards like this make me uncomfortable

No. 1862239

>>1862237
why, not into feet?

No. 1862240

>>1861788
>"the design is overcomplicated you guys"
>proceeds to redesign the character in a way that's way more complicated and detailed and most likely a pain in the ass to animate in 2D
????

No. 1862241

>>1862231
>>1862235
Another weird thing is that there's one romantic song the entire movie, and It's sung between Asha and Magnifico early in the movie, this song was originally supposed to be between Starboy and Asha and very clearly meant as a classic love song. So now it's a just another very confusing choice.

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>>1862235
Yup, the Twisted Wonderland artist drawing him was kind of funny tbh.

No. 1862246

>>1862244
>referring to Yana as "the twisted wonderland artist"
I'm a zoomer and you're make me feel ancient

No. 1862247

>>1862244
god he's so ugly, even westaboo magic cant save him

No. 1862250

>>1862246
Ngl I'm just lazy.
She wrote TW recently? Well then she's that guy.

No. 1862253

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>>1862235
Tumblr is obsessed with villains like Hades and Jafar, the least they could do is give him an obnoxious long chin or something.

No. 1862255

>>1862253
Nta but holy fuck do I miss those autistic Disney mashups.

No. 1862259

>>1862235
Did it even work? He was so on the nose attempt at being the new fandom daddy hyperfixation but they made him so pathetic and non-charismatic completely missing the mark on what dadfags want and nobody saw or liked Wish either way.

No. 1862261

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>>1862253
Its like they saw different characters that are popular with tumblrtards and tried to mesh all their personalities together(ugly old man, villian, cocky) not realizing that all of those work well separate, but are beyond obnoxious together. Like how the onceler is a cocky twink, how frollo is a classy old man and how jafar/hades are cool villians . I wish i could put it better into words, but Magnifico feels so fake and pandery, best word i can describe him as is ''safe horny''. I am so tired of all these safe horny characters that started popping out once men realized that some women have bottom tier taste and it's easy to pander to them with ugly male characters that dont threaten their sexualities like cute anime boys.

No. 1862267

>>1862261
well thankfully it didn't work and people saw right thought it.

No. 1862270

>>1862267
i am looking forward to moids killing ugly moid characters, sorry i mean tumblr sexy men, once and for all

No. 1862275

>>1862261
the thing is his design is just fucking egregious, he looks like the boss baby. the combination of that smarmy ass dreamworks smirk with his disgusting weird smooth baby face and dead eyes makes me want to violently kill him

No. 1862282

>>1862261
"Safe horny", kek. I feel like you nailed it. None of the other villains you mentioned were created with the idea of pandering to a horny online crowd, meanwhile Magnifico has a weird energy because it's so obvious he was developed with that mindset. It's kinda creepy.

No. 1862315

>>1862231
>it seems like some producer wanted the story to be changed to make them more sympathetic
imma get spergy but god I am so sick of "sympathize with the villain" trend that just never seems to end. It's like they think everyone needs a tragic backstory to explain their actions, no one can just be chaotic and evil. They think they're giving the character depth and layers or some shit but in reality they just write a bad boring half-assed villain. If the villain was never a true villain because he had some noble backstory that justifies every action it kind of strips them from being a villain to begin with.
And it also pisses me off that it's happening at the same time women are asked to "just be kind" when males threathen them with abuse and violence. You're not teaching people to "see the other side of the argument, everyone is human, namaste peace and love" you are telling people that if someone is harming them it's probably kind of justified, they are totally hurting just as much as you so you should be forgiving of them (even though they've spent their entire lives trying to harm you). I know I'm reading too much into it kek sorry

No. 1862333

>>1862261
>I am so tired of all these safe horny characters that started popping out once men realized that some women have bottom tier taste and it's easy to pander to them with ugly male characters that dont threaten their sexualities like cute anime boys.
Oh my god you worded it perfectly. We are suddenly getting a ton of characters that are obviously meant to pander to that certain taste that doesn't offend or threaten men just so they can reach for the female dollar with minimal effort.

No. 1862334

>>1862315
You are so right. People made fun of SU for the same thing.

No. 1862335

>>1862315
I feel like modern audiences don't want evil characters though. There are enough people fighting others because they like a character that's been deemed problematic. Every action has to be justified and then they need to have a long talk riddled with therapy lingo about how the thing they did was bad and how they won't do it again kek

No. 1862341

>>1862334
Steven Universe. Aka. El gordo Mamón.

His superpowers was crybully villains into becoming good, even if they were genocidal murderers. I swear that show was designed to mentally cripple kids.

No. 1862348

>>1862335
twitter trannies are just a vocal minority

No. 1862350

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>>1862341
Don't worry, they retconned it, so now the Diamonds never encountered any sort of intelligent life before and after Earth.

No. 1862356

>>1862350
SU was such a horrendous terrible show. It's everything bad with modern western media and western fandom. It was truly patient zero.

No. 1862361

>>1862356
SU, Adventure Time and Bojack Horseman for adult cartoon.

No. 1862363

>>1862361
I will never forgive BH for ruining Inside Job. It was such a cool concept ruined by ''wah wah my parents are mean waah i am such an asshole but its because of childhood trauma'' faggotry that BH introduced to adult animation

No. 1862366

>>1862363
Millennial humor is the worst thing to ever happen to the Internet

No. 1862368

>>1862348
nta but those Twitter trannies are loud and semi-organized, and therein lies the issue. When shit localizers and dubbers see their awful meme dubs get hundreds of likes and engagements from gender-specials, they think that somehow represents the majority. And even if they don't, they can and do use this as proof on their resumes. As someone who works in the industry, engagements from Reddit and Twitter are actually used as metrics of talent when it comes to hiring.

No. 1862371

>>1862366
Its actually gen xr's

A lot of what i hate the most about modern american media comes from people like Dan Harmon and josh whedon

No. 1862372

>>1862368
Corporations astroturf social media and then gaslight themselves with the fake data from those same sites. What a stupid feedback loop.

No. 1862375

>>1862368
but people still love classic disney villians though, while no one cares about the live action remakes

No. 1862395

>>1861621
Knowing moids, when they are joking about something, that's when you should take them the most serious. Scrotes are infamous for admitting the fucked up things they think about and hide them behind "jokes" or "satire" if people react negatively.

No. 1862423

>>1861627
I loathe these weaklings so much. These are the same people who criticize het shippers for feeling self conscious liking het but than they go do this because they are self conscious themselves. It’s obvious when someone yuribend a ship because they actually like it and it’s painfully obvious when someone does it because woke cope like the screen cap you post.

No. 1862427

>>1862235
Reminds me of when Lady Dimitrescu was being pushed as this tall sexy vampire lady

No. 1862432

>>1862427
she had massive tities and barely looked old, its not comparable to magnifico

No. 1862435

>>1862341
I really loved the early seasons of the show as a kid. I completely lost interest in it later on. I watched the last episode out of curiosity and apparently the genocidal dictator gems were completely forgiven and they all cried or something? Like what the fuck was that.

No. 1862448

>>1862348
Who do you think is working in animation

No. 1862457

>>1862450
Time for our monthly astarion infight I see

No. 1862459

>>1862450
holy shit please spoiler that thing

No. 1862460

>>1862457
Crap, really? Nevermind. I'm deleting it for the sake of the thread.

No. 1862461

>>1862261
all the characters in that movie have really bland/uninspired designs tbh

No. 1862466

It's funny that this "safe horny" topic is brought back again because the first time I've seen that phrase months ago was on twitter with deranged lowkey racist and sexist male weebs complaining about the exact same characters and trends. It's interesting to have very different perspectives and still come to the exact same conclusion. The anon who said the vampire lady from Resident Evil doesn't look old is delusional though kek.

No. 1862474

>>1862466
The annoying reality of this world is that two wildly different groups of people can reach the same conclusion about something from different perspectives. I'd set someone on fire before I start discussing this topic knowingly with a male, though.

No. 1862475

>>1862466
yeah sometimes it amazes me how lolcow and soyjack users have the same opinions on certain stuff despite being complete opposites

No. 1862485

>>1862457
>>1862459
kek what did she post

No. 1862486

>>1862466
She doesnt look old in comparison to frollo or astarion. She barely has wrinkles honestly. I also have no idea what you are talking about, i dont use twitter nor care about what moids talk about i am just tired that in every single new piece of media there is a designated tumblr sexy man to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

No. 1862490

also, what even is safe horny to men? they get coombait characters every day. There is a new ''cute anime grill with gimmick'' and ''cartoony FOTM'' every single month.

No. 1862505

>>1862490
Women of reasonable age?

No. 1862573

>>1862485
uggostarion jumpscare

No. 1862594

>>1862573
>uggostarion
kek

No. 1862638

>>1862050
Pinning it on it being her fault on an individualistic level is turning a blind eye to the larger problem of female creators being put under the microscope at all times. A male creator could have a meltdown on social media every tuesday because he got angry at a fan and barely anyone would give a shit besides maybe laugh at him for being a narcissistic clown. When Andrew Dobson, someone who strongly pandered to the "progressive" crowd, was outed for having an entire history of drawing degenerate inflation art he was simply ridiculed for it, if he was a woman he would've been called a perverted misogynistic groomer who probably sticks bike pumps up children's asses. I went and checked the western animation thread out to see if it's as bad as it was a year ago and some anons are genuinely concern trolling over vivzie ~triggering SA victims~ with some depiction of that gay furry spider being dragged by his collar and wishing that people will drag her for this, this shit would absolutely not be a thing if a male creator was in question. If that were the case, anons would be coming up with excuses about how it's ackshually an ironic joke and people just don't get his artistic genius.

The same goes for Rebecca Sugar and even Noelle Stevenson, Noelle is a depressing gendie larper and clearly a lesbian damaged by her bible thumping family and the bihet who roped her into some polyshit but in the end what she's done is mostly being cringe and damaging to herself, she's not out there fucking 14-year old interns like half of male show creators. Everyone forgot about Justin Roiland in like 2 days and continued as normal but with Vivziepop people will gladly dig up her old posts from 2008.

No. 1862663

>>1862638
there is also that tranny comic writer who was found to be into babyfur art and traced actual babies for his fetish drawings. And guess what, he still gets 30k+ likes per drawing he posts.

No. 1862736

>>1862638
>The same goes for Rebecca Sugar and even Noelle Stevenson
NTA but that reminds me of how I would repeatedly see people try to cancel Rebecca Sugar and called her a pedo for drawing Ed Edd and Eddy slash when she was a teenager and Ratatouille porn when she was 20. Meanwhile Ian Jones-Quartey had either lolicon or futa art in his Tumblr likes (I don't remember which, sorry) and even though I did see people try to cancel him or go "ew, gross" it wasn't enough to affect him. Trying to search for the EEnE fanart in question brings me people calling her disgusting but no word on Ian.

No. 1862766

>>1862638
This is OT, but it kinda bugs me how every damn millennial author insists on fabricating stories about being brought up in a "Christian cult" when all it really was, was their parents simply taking them to church on Sundays. And the latter is purely subjective, but noelle is a talentless hack.

No. 1862787

>>1862638
It kind of is her fault on an individualistic level though, at least some of it. A lot of her issues would be solved if she didn't constantly involve herself with her retarded fandom and their drama and continued to do what the fuck she wanted with her art.

No. 1862793

>>1862736
I really don’t understand how people called at Rebecca genuine pedo for drawing that shit. Like, they both sound jokes to me. Ed Edd and Eddy porn sounds exactly like something an edgy teenage girl would laugh at. Should she have posted it for kids to potentially see? Probably not, but there’s no way she was genuinely turned on by that shit, unless I’m missing context or something.

I haven’t seen it but I heard the Ratatouille porn had Remy controlling Linguini as he was having sex with Colette which is even memier. If anything it sounds like she was trolling people or something, kek.

No. 1862794

>>1862793
its the same woman that a did whole comic where shes put in a princess leia slave costume by zim and has to get saved by dib.

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>>1862794
Okay, maybe she is weird then…

No. 1862797

>>1862793
>I haven’t seen it but I heard the Ratatouille porn had Remy controlling Linguini as he was having sex with Colette which is even memier. If anything it sounds like she was trolling people or something, kek.
It was that and slash art with Linguini and Chef Skinner (the short ugly chef guy). AKA, literally a joke when the movie was out.

>>1862794
Wasn't she a teenager when she drew that though? I saw screenshots of her Invader Zim fansite and she was in high school then. Steven Universe is cancer but she was a run of the mill millennial fandom/indie comic artist before that. (Did anyone even read Pug Davis?)

No. 1862798

An observation I think is interesting (somewhat related to the topic at hand) is people who jump to watch or consume a piece of media after the author has been "canceled" to defend them. Half the time they do it, it isn't even good. With Vivziepop, people who force themselves to watch her show to support her for the controversies are hilarious. It'd be different if you were going to watch an actual good show, but to force yourself to watch 20-minute /co/ slop is crazy to me. Same with that old incest game. If it were a genuinely good visual novel I wouldn't care, but it's all so generic. Where have our standards gone?

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>>1862796
if she was japanese she would have grown up to make the best yumejo bait animu in existence

No. 1862803

>>1862798
do people do that? i only know about the autistic hatewatchers that jump in to watch a show when some normietuber makes a video calling it THE WORST THING EVER!!11!

No. 1862804

>>1862803
Yes. Contrarionism is a terminal illness

No. 1862805

>>1862803
Kek, I've seen that too, but it goes both ways. Why do people force themselves to watch stuff in general if they're not going to enjoy it? They're just wasting their time over some internet random's opinion

No. 1862807

>>1862802
It’s so fucking funny to me how she drew this in high school and now literally works for Cartoon Network. I’ve made my fair share of art on autistic subjects, but never this bad. If I saw this without context I would’ve thought the creator was on some chris chan type shit.

No. 1862810

>>1862805
Too much free time

No. 1862811

>>1862807
she also drew lewds of that nerdy guy from my life as a teenage robot but i cant find it

No. 1862813

>>1862805
because hatewatching and shitting on something gives easy dopamine. I was forced by a friend to hop into the vilma hate wandwaggon and i ended up enjoying it actually lol

No. 1862832

>>1862032
Hate≠Jealousy
A lot of people hate her because she's full of shit and a well known pain in the ass to be around.

No. 1862874

>>1862736
kek ive noticed this too with how people treat authors differently based on their sex. Work by a “problematic” female creator is treated as it’s inherently terrible and incredibly dangerous, nobody should touch it with a 50 foot pole and if you do you’re a terrible person. But male creators they deem problematic, they’ll continue happily lapping up the content most of the time but just try to pretend they didn’t make it or act as “critical fans”. Seeing the treatment of JKR vs Scott Cawthon sure was something.

No. 1862914

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>>1862811
I wish i could see that. Off topic but i tried looking it up and all i could find is a 2004 post on some blog thanking a "Rebecca" for her drawing
>Picrel

No. 1862926

>>1862032
>At this point I'm convinced that that the western animation thread is full of underages or 18 yos who once loved Hazbin Hotel but felt betrayed as Vivziepop's work went on
One of the anons in that thread said she was a teenager when the original pilot aired and crushed on the radio demon guy so that explains a lot.

No. 1862934

>>1862490
Their versions of safe horny are characters that appeal to normies with a stick up their asses and that make everyone go "ugh step on me!!1!" but the fans saying it don't mean it.

No. 1862950

>>1862914
she was attracted to fucking Sheldon!

No. 1862952

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>>1862638
>but with Vivziepop people will gladly dig up her old posts from 2008.
I just saw this on my timeline lol what's even the point

No. 1862957

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Why is tall, coombait lady x ugly manlet so popular among women on twitter/tumblr? Isn't this the kind of thing that exclusively caters to loser men?

No. 1862964

>>1862032
>"because the concept is so cool but badly done"
this is the part that gets me the most. It's not that interesting of a premise. Stories of 'hell if an office/city' have been overdone since Beetlejuice

No. 1862970

>>1862466
I remember "safe horny" being used to describe moids who salivate over muscle girls. Tbf it was a very annoying trend

No. 1862976

>>1861158
sage for ot but I forgot that these people tend to give trans hcs and genuinely thought this was a butch lesbian character and got excited for a second

No. 1862979

>>1860202
I don't see the problem here. At worst, they're sexualising men in a kind of autistic way, which is basically what /g/ is

No. 1862983

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>>1862957
It's a tranny thing. The "weird little gremlin" represents fakebois and the "tall mommy gf" is an AGP cope for being a hulking 6"5 hon. These are the same kind of fictional relationships that trannies love to headcanon as "t4t"

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>>1862832
Yeah I'm sure every single one of her autistic haters knew her personally and now spams the western animation cows thread with her barely milk because they were actually slighted by her.
If anything I'd expect an ex-friend or coworker to actually make a thread only for her.

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>>1862736
speaking of Ian, he's been known to frequent the co board of 4chan for years now(along with a few other people in the Industry like Kelly Turbnall and Luke Weber) where he has leaked episodes, drawn rule34 fan-art, and even inserted /co/ memes onto his shows. Mr. Universe was just the realization of all the "murdercock" memes, and his OK-KO show was literally just him making his idealized waifus every episode and filling it with wish fulfillment and video game references, like I feel like vivzie goes a bit overboard, but OK-KO is solely based on superficial references. again I'm not a huge vivziepop fan, but at least she develops her characters and creates a story. It has its flaws, but at least it has momentum and isn't just a shallow "look, it's like x from anime/videogame"

No. 1863029

>>1862868
Matt and Trey made a South Park episode about trans athletes that was unquestionably more in your face "transphobic" than anything JKR ever said yet nobody EVER tried cancelling them. Ever. Not a peep when that episode aired or since. The South Park fandom filled with mentally ill gendies still keeps growing while people have to look around in fear when mentioning Harry Potter in a conversation.

>>1862952
I don't get it, is this supposed to be somehow "problematic" or why are they posting it? It just looks like regular low quality fanart.

No. 1863034

>>1863028
samefag, I'm sorry if this comes across as soergy, but I absolutely despise OK-KO and what it represents. The creators sacrificed everything just to depict their own desires, and it's beyond frustrating that the entire show revolves around coom references.

No. 1863127

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>>1860281
>>1860470
This reminded me of a phenomenon (I don't know if there's a term for this). I remember seeing a statistic that showed the majority of casual adult Pokemon players were women (still plenty of men though), but the entirety of the competitive players was composed of men(whom I assume are also autistic), as they were the ones who stripped the actual fun of the game and entirely focused on autistic meta.

No. 1863132

>>1863127
Also trying to enter any competitive scene as a woman is next to impossible because people will genuinely gang up on you and sabotage your performance. During chess tournaments female players who performed well against each other suddenly had their score affected when playing against male competitors because they lost their confidence having been memed into the belief that women can't play chess and if they fail it's because they're female. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797620924051

No. 1863176

>>1863132
also the fact that there are significantly fewer female chess players in general; in my third world country there are about a few thousand registered male players and less than 500 female one's.

No. 1863178

>>1863132
This is why I don't want to get into fighting games competitively. Japan is much better about this because they have women only communities but you know if you did that shit in the west it would be 99% trannies.

No. 1863192

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>>1863127
>>1863132
yeah honestly I don't let men I play against know I'm a woman because I know that the moment they find that out, they'll derail the conversation and get weirdly personal/sexual with me. I don't have this much of a problem when writing in English, but in my second language, I have to talk with masculine terms (if it makes sense? I dunno how to explain it) to prevent that from happening. It's genuinely shit.

No. 1863249

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I logged on Twitter and of course this is the first thing I see, as much as it makes me sad I knew they were going to come for the Korean butch4butch yuri OC artist at some point. I'm so sick of these parasites, she already got anon messages asking if her OCs have tit chop scars too.

No. 1863341

>>1863249
Sadly, this is why artists should refrain getting too chummy with followers if they don’t want to open the Pandora’s box. It sucks how female (let’s face it, male artists don’t get canceled for the same things) artists basically have to refrain from interacting with their followers if they want to protect themselves. Female fandom has always inherently been a very social activity. It’s sad that one of the only surefire ways of protecting yourself from cancellation is to refrain from one of the aspects that made fandom enjoyable in the first place (social interaction). Yes, you could not pander to woketards and gendies but there are some topics or subject matter that will draw them regardless of your intent.

No. 1863346

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>>1863249
i fucking HATE troons so much its unreal that fucking smiley being so smug, praying the 41% increases

No. 1863356

>>1863346
I don't blame her for apologizing, I've only been keeping track of her art recently and she's clearly ESL and just trying to placate these retarded westerners. But I hate how the moment I found her art I knew she would slip up and say something cancellable, the callout tweet also notes that being South Korean and drawing masc women is sussy because of the radfem movement over there.

>even some trans ppl have said wrongful things

I like the implication that "trans" is a higher state and even they can make mistakes sometimes. Transwomen have literally get away with rape in this community and get babied anyway.

>praying the 41% increases

It's not even actually true, it's a false statistic about attempts. Sometimes I wish they did kill themselves as much as they threaten to do.

No. 1863358

>>1863249
Based Korean radfem lesbian. Hope she doesn't take shit from them.

No. 1863362

>>1863346
acting this high n mighty when it can't even spell 'apologizing' correctly.

No. 1863364

>>1863358
Nvm I went back and read her thread and she apologized for it. I hope she continues to be a based terf in private though

No. 1863365

>>1863346
The qrts are even worse. They act like she fucking killed a dog or something.

No. 1863370

>>1863034
Isn't that the show of the husband of rebecca sugar who in turn only got a show because she was friends with Pendleton Ward? He didn't get to make a show because of talent, its funny he larps as if it was some achievement. Rebecca herself only had for experience some really ugly tumblr comics, was an assistant on Adventure Time and then inmediatly jumped to showrunner lol.

These people killed western animation and the nepotism networks they build are still going strong. I don't even know how some nonnas still have hope for the shows coming out.

No. 1863377

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>>1863364
I wouldn't be surprised if she was. When being asked if she supported transbians she gave a non-answer that was apparently good enough to the mob. (I like how she admits she's never met any in real life, gee, I wonder why… "transgenders" in conservative society tend to be gay transvestites.)

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>>1863356
This is actually delusional and I'm glad people are pointing that out. Just recently a korean woman was attacked for having short hair because it's associated with feminism. These idiots have no idea what they are saying and I'm so tired of fucking nobodies going "unfollow this person because of xy!" and then backtracking with "well, it was just for my friends!!" after it blows up. Tell your friends in private. Block her if you don't want to see her art, why is that so difficult? This is why I hate twitter. Some dumbass can say the stupidest thing and just because it gets a lot of attention out of nowhere it starts to seem legitimate and puts the person in question in an awkward position. And it's so insane how they demand apologies, why do they even pretend like it matters to them? 5 minutes later they are already back to spamming gacha screenshots

No. 1863390

>>1863384
Bruh, I'm sure South Korean radfems are GC by proxy but it's so self-centered to think that women are denouncing femininity and makeup, not supporting the idol industry, and going celibate solely to own the twanzwimmen and not because there's a rising incel culture and right wing anti-feminism among South Korean men. How fucking narcissistic, they really think the world revolves around them.

No. 1863396

>>1863384
Kek "had to denounce" what a fucking retard. Sure, the evil TERFs FORCED women to give up femininity and caused a butchpocalypse to exclude trannies, this is totally a reasonable explanation of feminism in S. Korea. It can't be that women, of their own volition, in the face of extreme misogyny, decided that femininity has zero political power to liberate them and threw out their makeup/skirts/heels, it must be that they were tricked into vilifying femininity by the bigoted man-hating butch lesbians I mean TERFs. These moralfags are so evil.

No. 1863400

>>1863249
Women get checked for wrongthink by the mob no matter where they're from. She has 36.6k tweets and those are from 2021 so there's no way troons found that just by scrolling, they had to been looking for it. They probably suspected she was a radfem because she's a Korean butch, troons are no better than those insane KR incels honestly. I hope she's only apologizing to get Westies off her back, she didn't mention anything about trannies explicitly in her statement but she did like tweets supporting them. An F/F Genshin artist recently got mobbed for being transphobic too but she double downed on it, wish more artists were like that.

No. 1863403

>>1863396
It's so telling how they blame it on lesbians when the social media posts I've seen from South Korean women practicing 6B4T are straight. Even when I was a libfem I thought it was unfair how TRAs go harder against lesbians of any political view (even TRA/libfem lesbians who give lip service to them) than straight and (non-febfem) bisexual radfems/GCs.

>>1863400
Which artist? I'm not into Genshin but I'd like to support her.

No. 1863404

>>1857596
The mafia stick figures were the best part, how dare you. I don't understand why people dislike them.
I liked Homestuck a lot personally. I found the first acts funny and I read them but also boring. I also liked the worldbuilding and the flashgames. The kids were interesting. I didn't care much about the trolls aside from Karkat, Terezi and Aradia. I read all of it and I thought it was nice. The latter acts were too much chaotic. I made my own OCs and tried to do a similar format.

No. 1863407

>>1863404
What's your opinion on Vast Error?

No. 1863409

>>1863403
Her handle is 37396536718l but she privated.

No. 1863410

>>1859641
Just use a translator you don't have to learn a new language

No. 1863413

>>1863407
I haven't read it

No. 1863418

>>1863384
What's this cap from? TIMs DO put on stereotypical femininity. It's like their whole thing.

No. 1863419

>>1863396
And it truly infuriates me as a lesbian who's into butch. I fucking hate handmaiden have let these perverted moids into our spaces who prance around in a miniskirt and a pornified view of a woman. I truly don't have words how much they enrage me I want to alog so bad they're so fucking misogynistic fucking evil always rambling about feminism and letting scrotes in to fuck shit and you're supposed to just take it to just accept it fuck no.

No. 1863420

>>1863410
Machine translations are awful, though. It doesn't compare at all to knowing a language and how to properly interpret it.

No. 1863423

>>1862957
because women have been socialized to love the idea of being desired as a prize to win

No. 1863425

>>1863403
They probably go after lesbians more since they're the group they want to infiltrate the most since fucking a real homosexual woman would be the most "validating" experience for them, and get extra pissed when they realize real lesbians will never give them what they want.

No. 1863428

>>1863127
>>1863132
>>1863178
this sucks because i hate the idea that ''women can only like games casually'' its so moidish. If there were female only tournaments i assure you a lot of women would be equally autistic as men.

No. 1863430

>>1863425
When I was a libfem and in "LGBTQ" spaces I dealt with other women (including TIFs) driving the witch hunts against lesbians just as much as men/TIMs. Handmaidenery I guess.

No. 1863431

>>1863418
That's what I'm wondering. It was posted as if it was evidence of something but without an explanation on where this fanfiction was sourced

No. 1863438

>>1863418
>>1863431
The person who made the original callout on the artist posted it in the thread

No. 1863440

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>>1863409
She's another Russian artist. Why are Russian nonnies so based

No. 1863449

>>1863420
Yeah but learning a new language that you're only going to use online in a fandom just doesn't seem very constructive to me. I assume you only want to learn how to write and read Japanese and not learn how to pronounce it so I'll skip that part. First you have to learn Hiragana which is like the japanese alphabet and will teach you consonants and vowels and syllables. You'll master this in a week. Then you will have to learn Katakana, which is the "loan words" from other languages. Hiragana and katakana represent the same sounds. There's Romaji which you might see sometimes it's a mix of Japanese and English, I can't explain it well. So you've got the Japanese syllable and you write with English alphabet then that's romaji. That's used a lot in slang but you can avoid learning it if you don't care about pronunciation. Then there's Kanji which you will struggle with a lot and natives don't even know all Kanji characters! It will take you two years to learn the most basic Kanji. And for grammar rules and complete fluency it will take you much more. Imagine you're a baby, how long would a baby take to learn a new language? And with the fact that you're not growing in an environment where you'll encounter kanji daily you might forget most of it. Y'know what I say go for it but if you really aren't planning to get an official certificate for your language skills then it's a waste of time. I know three languages fluently and a little Russian. English I had to learn and another language for work aboard, then there's my native language and Russian… Well I had a crush on a Russian guy and I wanted to impress him, so I decided to learn the language with Duolingo kek. It was a superficial reason to learn a language and in the end I just wasted time cus things didn't work out, at least I didn't do paid lessons. So think is your reason for wanting to learn Japanese superficial? It might not be, it might be, that's your choice. But two years of learning consistently is it really worth it? But you do what you want

No. 1863453

>>1863440
I've noticed women and LGBs are more like this in countries that are more conservative and thus the stakes are higher. I can only speak for US (and maybe UK/Canada by proxy) but the gender shit exploded when it became easier to transition and it was "cool" and "trendy" to be ~queer~ in blue states and liberal cities. I live in a conservative area and I'd probably get away with saying things like this IRL to normies, but not online or among more liberal areas.

No. 1863461

>>1862950
>>1862914
incels can't complain, look how horny women are for losers

No. 1863465

>>1863029
Social Justice is like a religion, only women are reprimanded for sin

No. 1863466

>>1863249
ironically proving feminists right, femininity is not natural and is nothing more than tool for enforced female conformity

No. 1863467

>>1863453
Gender retardation only really exploded during quarantine when people had nothing to do with their lives than scroll on Twitter/TikTok all day. It's ironic how troons act like gay people need them for our liberation when it's the other way around. You only see trans garbage pop up in already gay-accepting societies so if there's any trickle down effect it's gay -> trans and not the opposite. Like yeah I'm sure in countries where same-sex marriage is illegal people are gonna care about lesbians not liking dick and TIMs being lonely, boo fucking hoo.

No. 1863470

>>1863249
>>1863440
friendly reminder that mossa cannabis, korean artist, has 300k followers, is followed by pros from the industry, and is a self confessed pedophile who draws little girls being raped and beaten >>1668197

where is the hate mob and the tons of retweet to get this freak out of twitter and into prison? oh yeah, he's male

No. 1863471

>>1863449
NTA but there's never a superficial reason to learn a language. Even learning it just cause you're bored is a better use of time than most other things and it improves brain connections whether you intend to use it or not. If someone wants to learn a language to speak to and learn from fans from other parts of the world, how is that not worth it? And in the case of Japanese specifically, not only can you talk to people outside of western fandom, you can also bypass trannylations and directly engage with the source material. Learning JP is a winning move for any weeb.

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No. 1863480

>>1863440
Sure, they're totally not braindead serfs who encourage their moids to rape Ukrainian women.(bait)

No. 1863484

>>1863467
I am honestly sick of all rainbow stuff. So many of my online friends won't shut the fuck up about gendie and queer crap that i wish all that stuff went back to a closet and i was always someone very accepting but its gone too overboard already, i don't appreciate how much of it is anglos once again forcing their made up fads on us.

No. 1863495

>>1863484
i feel bad for even thinking this but I hate everything to do with modern activism, and I can't wait for everything to juts cool down, but I know a very loud anti-SJW movement is on the horizon

No. 1863501

>>1863467
I came out when I was 16 in the late 2000s and while more people gendered out during lockdown, I noticed the tide changing after 2015 when same-sex marriage was legalized. As soon as it happened I saw liberals cry that "cis gays have their rights now, transgender is the real oppressed minority now" and how "cis gays owe their marriage rights to black transwomen" even though Marsha P Johnson was a drag queen and wasn't at Stonewall. Gender shit went from a niche in the 2000s and early 2010s to mainstream really quick, probably because being trans costs money and Americans are consoomer.

No. 1863505

>>1863495
It's sad that people can never be normal and the pendulum is gonna swing the farthest right we've ever seen just because of the retardation of a small but loud group of leftists. I wish I could just live away from society in a forest or something. So sick of everything

No. 1863530

I recently started posting content online, and i gotta confess i am deadly afraid of developing a mostly female fanbase. The type of content i make attracts both men and women equally, i think, and so far it seems like i got 70% male fanbase and 30% female. However i have been seeing more and more TIFs and nonbinary women popping up in my comments and i am starting to grow wary. I know it sounds like i am a pickme, but i really enjoy my male fanbase and knowing i can just make whatever cringe edgy joke and they will be ok with it. I know that if i say something retarded in front of my male audience they will forgive me(i already slipped and said faggot lol) but TIFs will hunt me down like rabid dogs. It's sad it has come to this, i would have loved an equally or even more female fanbase 10 years ago.

No. 1863540

>>1863495
>i feel bad for even thinking this
Insane levels of female socialization. You can hate everything you want, nonna, there is no need to chase after the approval of others.

No. 1863542

>>1863501
I remember back in 2015 nonbinary/trans were being pushed but it was still popular to make fun of it like there are only 2 genders and attack helicopter jokes even if it's corny. Now you have sites like Instagram listing neopronouns because corpos think an insane minority online is worth listening to. Online activism took a shitty turn after the 2020 BLM protests because people became obsessed with muh oppression, virtue-signaling, and using politically correct words. I honestly believe the shift in left-leaning politics because of it is a partial reason why the gender fad happened, a lot of people felt guilt for being part of an oppressor group so they latched onto anything like being a nonbinary intersex pan lesbian DID system.

No. 1863550

>>1863438
Yeah, but where did he get it from?

No. 1863551

>>1863377
okay im not familiar with twitter callouts and that stuff because i dont use twitter, i know their existence and i think its obnoxious, but whenever i saw someone publishing a document or making a youtube video about it i just ignored it, i look at this now and what the actual fuck? why are those two girls acting like theyre cops making an interrogation? dont know how to connect with each other aside from doing things at the expence of others and yelling about how much better they are while subtly competiting with their friends about whos better (in that case being more ''oppressed'' aka more mental illnesses and whos blacker etc, cus if they were actually oppressed they would not broadcast it)? back in my day id see that shit in a classroom. i can picture this perfectly. girl who doesnt speak english well sitting in a corner. shes different. she does her own thing, unbothered by others opinions. popular girls influenced too much by media see certain things as disgusting (in the past its appearance but on the internet you cant see what the other looks like so lets make it about… hm sexuality!) and they bully that one poor girl who is difeerent from the norm for it. they might have been bullied themselves and do it to others, but it doesnt excuse that behavior. they see the girl being unbothered and they feel rage because an atack on their culture is an attack of them. theyre teens so fitting in is all they want and need. thats why theyre so quick to join in the trends whether that be gender or idk i dont care enough about this to learn what the trend is. all they talk about is their crushes (fictional), their interests (fashion, art, etc) and gossip! twitter is just a fucking high school

No. 1863573

>>1863542
>I remember back in 2015 nonbinary/trans were being pushed but it was still popular to make fun of it like there are only 2 genders and attack helicopter jokes even if it's corny. Now you have sites like Instagram listing neopronouns because corpos think an insane minority online is worth listening to.
I saw a post from a radfem blog (don't remember which, sorry) saying that Trump getting elected made a lot of leftists more spineless and the right wing more extremist at the same time. The same liberal LGB people I knew who laughed at neopronouns and mogai stuff did a 180 and defended that stuff after Trump was elected. I remember in the early 2010s people laughed about celebrities getting clout for saying "gay rights!" was the bare minimum and virtue signaling, but now saying "trans rights" is the mark of a good person.

>I honestly believe the shift in left-leaning politics because of it is a partial reason why the gender fad happened, a lot of people felt guilt for being part of an oppressor group so they latched onto anything like being a nonbinary intersex pan lesbian DID system.

More people started getting "privilege guilt" too after 2015, because even if Trump was awful he didn't cause a literal genocide like people thought he would. Mostly immigrants, non-Westerners and poorer people were negatively affected by him, so I noticed more people middle class and/or white people trying to identify out of it. I saw so many play up their mental illness or claim things like DID or chronic illness, went from being "cis" to nonbinary, "converting to Judaism" was a big trend alongside trans since Trump was anti-Semitic too, racefaking, etc. etc. The SJW snowflake shit I got away with making fun of in 2011-2013 became untouchable then.

No. 1863584

>>1863573
It really was so fucking jarring. My online friends and I used to mock neopronouns openly and then overnight it was suddenly unacceptable. They just kept pushing the envelope more and more. It really is only a matter of time before leftists aren't allowed to criticize pedos and zoos openly either

No. 1863615

>>1863584
>They just kept pushing the envelope more and more. It really is only a matter of time before leftists aren't allowed to criticize pedos and zoos openly either
I think we might be halfway there because I'm seeing more leftists claim things like trying to prosecute sex offenders is "cop behavior" or "carceral justice", or that sexual violence isn't any worse than any other kind and we need to just rehabilitate abusers. The fact other leftists can't criticize this without getting called conservative is insane to me, they're literally the "groomers" that Republicans are talking about.

No. 1863636

>>1863584
>>1863584
It goes to show how much herd mentality and scaring people into certain political views run rampant in these circles. People used to make fun of MOGAI shit all the time but then someone suddenly decided it was transphobic and ableist (because "autistic people don't understand gender so they're more likely to identify with xenogenders) if you didn't support that stuff. Neopronouns still get made fun of by normies at least but the fact that you HAVE to support it by the mainstream LGBT view is fucking ridiculous. I'm not even gonna be surprised if bi lesbian is accepted in the next 2 years because liberals/leftists get gaslit into accepting anything LGBT related so long as you worm in somethingphobic/white supremacy/privilege into your reason.

No. 1863637

>>1863584
>It really is only a matter of time before leftists aren't allowed to criticize pedos and zoos openly either
This is already true to an extent, except they aren’t being defended for being pedos/zoos but instead being shielded from criticism/ignored entirely if they happen to say the right things and have the correct identity, so many troons got away with having rape accusations against them or being nonces (Eli Erlick, Cherno Biko, the multiple trannies behind the multiple terf tracking applications, Alok Vaid-Menon). Also, lying about trans and drag bills and what they’re actually about, misleading tons of people who are retarded enough to not look into what they’re actually supporting, or scared to look because they don’t want to be deemed “bigoted”.

No. 1863645

>>1863404
kek at some point I didn't mind these parts but then it got a lot more confusing because of other parts that seemed unrelated at first coming up as well and I gave up later anyway.

No. 1863655

>>1863637
Remember how the entire french left signed a petition to remove all age of consent laws in defense of a pederast who raped a little boy.

We are talking Sartre, Beauvoir, Foucault, etc. Everyone who is influential for the current wave of intersectional leftists is there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petitions_against_age_of_consent_laws

No. 1863656

>>1863540
you're right, I need to be louder and assertive with my opinions. As we all do

No. 1863665

>>1863655
Exactly, a lot of the most influential people in queer theory and postmodernism were pedophiles or supported them. I never went to college so I have no idea how a lot of queer and intersectional theory left academia and leaked into mainstream.

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>>1863637
>Also, lying about trans and drag bills and what they’re actually about, misleading tons of people who are retarded enough to not look into what they’re actually supporting, or scared to look because they don’t want to be deemed “bigoted”.
This is what seals the deal for the TQ+ being a cult. The fact that even looking at what the opposition is saying is considered a sin. Any political movement confident in the validity of it's message welcomes debate because, if what they stand for is correct, debating with the opposing viewpoint only makes your own case stronger. The fact that they don't do this goes to show that their beliefs fall apart under even the slightest scrutiny, so they can't risk cult members ever getting a glimpse of what others are saying. Its literally replaced religion for so many people, which is why it's going to be hard to tear it down.

No. 1863681

>>1863670
That's also why detransitioners are treated as apostates. They left the religion/cult and are being punished for it.

No. 1863690

>>1863681
They are terrified of detransitioners because unlike most of their other critics, detransitioners were in those tight gendie circles and thus have knowledge and experience with how those spaces operate on a personal, lived level. So they try to scare them from ever speaking with intimidation. It’s kind of similar to what they do to trans widows, actually.

No. 1863692

>>1863681
there's nothing leftists hate more than apostates of any ideology including Islam

No. 1863693

>>1862736
It is a real eye-opener to how much power men hold over the entertainment industry. Male show creators can be horrifyingly abusive sex pests with a body count of 200 teenagers and when the truth surfaces after 20 years of being an open industry secret people squirm and cope about how he's actually a nice guy, you can separate the art from the artist, maybe the victims are just fame seekers, he was just joking etc. And this is because the moid being called out is most likely in charge of something they love and cherish and want to see becoming a success, making him stand for his crimes would irreversibly taint his work as well.

Women don't have that kind of social capital, people will obsessively freeze frame hazbin stills to look for things to get mad at (like the current bullshit about muh voodoo symbols) and rain hellfire on her. They don't have the safety net of equally degenerate producers and managers that men do that can always come to their rescue, so they're easy to drop like a worthless brick if they become a liability. Besides female socialization that's also why women tend to react more strongly than male creators, they know they have their entire career at stake and they need to protect it to their best abilities. It doesn't matter what kind of an audience you have cultivated, you can be a leftist, centrist, right wing, whatever kind of female influencer you are, you'll be met with the same fate. Women like JKR who have enough fuck you money to do whatever while sitting on a billion dollar property are extremely rare compared to their moid counterparts and even she had to spend half of her career hiding her gender.

No. 1863705

maybe I'm just a contrarian but the more I see gendies shitting on vivzie the more I like her. Every time I see the show mentioned on twitter it's to complain about "straight yuri", or character redesigns, or trying to cancel her for ???. I don't think I've ever seen a creator so universally hated and it's just because she is cringe. I've never watched one of her shows, probably never will, but godspeed to her I hope she climbs her way up the industry with her edgy sparkledog OCs

No. 1863708

>>1863705
I don't like her but the intensity of the criticisms against her are so unwarranted. 9 out of 10 of these gendies tearing into her probably stan a sex pest male creator who has done worse. Vivzie is just a rich 30-something who never grew out of her DeviantART phase and has a cartoon about it, big deal.

No. 1863711

>>1863705
I personally think we need even more cringe women living out their cringe OC dreams in the entertainment industry. Preferably ones who have better writing skills

No. 1863712

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>>1863705
same, her detractors are fucking unhinged and will praise goseworx then do an 180 and shit on vivzie for doing the same things

No. 1863716

>>1863705
I dislike Vivzie and thw twitter gendies equally. Everyone involved represents everything i hate about western cartoons and western media in general and why i don't want anything to do with it. Hazbin is all the retardation you can expect from an american "adult" cartoon pushed to eleven and both her ardent stans and haters are mentally ill.

No. 1863738

>>1863712
>>1863716
I hate both Viziepop and Gooseworx.I hate that stupid ugly purple rabbit voiced by that talentless fag Kovach and that bug eyed,pasty,annoying little shit Pomni.I want to see people hate TADC and that trannoid more but everyone is sucking Greaseworx's dick so I guess not.

No. 1863740

>>1863712
unrelated but I can never not read /pos as anything other than piece of shit

No. 1863743

>>1863249
I’m sad she had to apologize for being based. I’ve followed her for a while now and I don’t think she’s gonna start pandering to trannies anytime soon. I have faith in based butchxbutch-chan

No. 1863744

>>1863740
I intentionally remain ignorant of what the tone indicators actually mean so I can insert my own meanings whenever I see them

No. 1863749

>>1863738
Pomni cute

No. 1863752

>>1863705
I remember thinking Vivziepop must've been a piece of work considering how much she's shat on on here and how much she angers gendies, but when I read her supposed "milk" I realized she's just kinda there in terms of cow potential and that I respect her as a creator even if her stuff is literally Emo Scene Queen DeviantArt: The Musical. I appreciate that she's a woman bringing something different and unique to the stagnating world of adult animation and that she's so shameless about what she likes. As much as I can barely watch her crap I envy those who enjoy it because they finally have a western cartoon that returns to unapologetic edge and sincerity instead of layers upon layers of irony. Also it manages to be sincere without trying hard to be heckin wholesome like so many other modern cartoons.

Btw, I still have no idea why she causes mass gendie rage but it's the absolute funniest thing to come out of everything related to her. Her shows' bad jokes are nothing compared to finding a garbage redesign of the Hazbin Hotel guys.

No. 1863762

>>1863749
She's ugly and overrated trash made for coomers clown fetishes
Sage next time,tard.

No. 1863765

>>1863670
What i think is going to happen is that the children born from gendie woke parents will become incredibly conservative and things will swing back to that shit, you just know in a few years there will be documentaries about kids born into the cult telling their horror stories, that's going to be a shit show.

No. 1863766

>>1863749
i am looking forward to all of you zoomers getting permabanned tomorrow

No. 1863789

>>1863752
Someone posted in the previous thread or in an animation related thread screenshots of her criticizing TIFs (but only TIFs) so that is why I guess. I never bothered watching any of her stuff exactly because the character designs are so awful, but I really hate the redesigns that strip away her style, just shows the person doing it has no idea what they are doing either and is there to get attention.
>>1863749
Goosewhatever might be a degenerate but I agree, the rabbit is a try hard tho.

No. 1863846

>>1863789
do men even watch hazbin? it doesnt have the waifubait to attract them

No. 1863853

>>1862241
We don't know if it's between Starboy and Asha. That's just speculation. It could easily be between Magnifico and his wife when they were both villains, or even between Asha and Magnifico when he was going to have a young design.

No. 1863859

>>1863853
>he was going to have a young design.
why did they make him old???

No. 1863867

>>1863765
This sounds so morbid but I have a theory that a lot of the kids getting transition surgeries and procedures done now are going to be the same people speaking out about barbaric medical practices in the future. Detransitioners (mostly ftm) are coming out even now saying its fucking insane their parents encouraged them to go down this path and passed them off to manipulative doctors taking advantage of the mentally ill. Former aylum patients did it for years talking about the realities of the "help" their families and doctors fully believed they were giving them

No. 1863876

>>1863867
It would take a major lawsuit being won by the detransitioner in question for the tables to turn on the SRS butchers.

By then all the major players would have already fled to Israel with their millions of dollars. But it would be great if at least a few heads get chopped and public opinion to turn

No. 1863877

>>1863846
Hazbin is the kind of show thats labeled as adult but only tweens watch it.

No. 1863881

>>1863877
you can say that for pretty much any adult animated show

No. 1863890

>>1863881
True. Americans don't have any real mature animation. Its all raunchy sex joke comedies that kids like.

No. 1863908

>>1863752
She does pander to gendies so any small "wrongthink" is considered a capital sin. Her version of hell is pretty santized imo. The episode of HB where the sin demon guy lectures about clean (I think that was the word used) lust and not forced was so funny to me especially comparing to how he acted in an earlier episode. He's all about that consent while you know living in hell which has the best morals btw. You can tell she's afraid to portray hell as anything but what is deemed as "appropriate". Look at her characters too. Charlie is too afraid to use her title as "Princess of Hell" and command people because that's too "mean" and "bossy". What happened to "not taking shit from other demons" and her getting into a fight with the news anchor lady? Slighty off topic but I wish she went for a different last name for Lucifer. There's already a few Lucifer Morningstars and it bugs me because the name can be translated to Morningstar Morningstar. I know nit picky but why does no one pick a last name that could embody his pride or his want to overthrow God?
>>1863789
>but I really hate the redesigns that strip away her style, just shows the person doing it has no idea what they are doing either and is there to get attention
This. These people just want attention. I guess they figure it's an easy dopamine rush since they are just jumping on the newest trendy hate bandwagon.

No. 1863949

>>1863846
>it doesnt have the waifubait to attract them
Yeah, tell that to the Verbalase guy, or all the other men that waifu Charlie. There may not be as many as with other shows, but they still got something to latch onto.

No. 1863952

>>1863949
verbalase is the exception to the rule and he was mocked accordingly for it

No. 1863959

>>1863859
Likely an idea that got scrapped early. You can see young magnifico in the artbook, but it's sketch rather than a completed look like in the husband-wife villain art.

No. 1863961

>>1863952
He was mocked because he blew 50 grand on a 3 minute long animation where he gets raped by his cartoon waifu, not because he was into Charlie, the thing everyone is focused on is the amount of money he burned.

No. 1863965

>>1863961
If it was Loona everyone would have praised him.

No. 1863972

>>1863961
The verbalase AMV reminds me so much of Cosplay girlfriend music video. That guy was also heavily mocked for it.

No. 1863974

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>>1862983
>MFW I remember an artist drew Morticia as a TIM and Gomez as a TIF. Way to ruin a perfect couple like that.

No. 1863986

>>1863908
>There's already a few Lucifer Morningstars and it bugs me because the name can be translated to Morningstar Morningstar. I know nit picky but why does no one pick a last name that could embody his pride or his want to overthrow God?

You made me to remember why I never watched the Spanish dub of Lucifer: They translated his name as "Lucifer Estrella de la Mañana" like if he had a Mexican surname. Why don't you keep Morningstar just in English?

No. 1863997

>>1863249
Someone in the other thread mentioned these same people being silent on that unapologetic pedophile mossacannibalis but jumping on this based lesbian, and thinking about it makes me seethe. These people are scum, I hope they feel serious guilt and embarrassment when the tide turns

No. 1864003

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>>1863390
I wouldn't be surprised if they learned about twanzwimmen and the first thing they think is "These moid are trying to mock our problems and our identity for their gain" rather than "oh is a poor woman in the wrong body". If so, they're quite based.

No. 1864015

>>1862957
i think it's either what >>1862983 said or a fake pity thing. you know how those tweets sometimes pop up where someone is whining about there not being enough of [x] content (yuri, adults in anime, etc.)? if they were Actual fans of that shit they'd know it exists in spades, but because they're just clout chasers they pretend to care about it for likes

No. 1864044

>>1863867
Absolutely, it's going to be this century's version of lobotomy as far as barbaric medical sit goes, completely life destroying surgery that was shilled as life saving and totally safe and progressive. History repeats itself yet again.

No. 1864070

>>1864003
For some reason Americans have an idealized/sanitized version of KR radical that is completely different than the TERF stuff they hate on all the time. If they actually saw what KR radfems were posting they'd be calling them out for bioessentialism and transmisogyny or whatever. Of course trans ideology isn't the focal point of their movement because barely any exist and they have more incels to worry about but I highly doubt they'd support TIMs and many of them don't (they got a TIM kicked out from a women's university). There were a bunch of radfems on Megalia fantasizing about killing moids, I don't think any would get a pass just because he "feels like a woman". I hope the KR feminists that are unfamiliar with tranny shit don't fall for it, they can already take USA/Canada/UK/etc. as an example of the damage its done for women.

No. 1864071

>>1863908
I didn't say she doesn't pander to gendies. I'd say she panders to herself and her taste is shared with gendies.
What I mean is that her work is still edgy and adult without sacrificing sincerity and pride. It's not a soft safe space where everything is treated with kids' gloves but it isn't a cynical, grim cartoon for adults either.

Now, I still can't stomach her cartoons, but I respect anyone who in this day and age can make something edgy that's not cynical or drenched in gender.

No. 1864128

>>1863370
>These people killed western animatio
I've heard people on 4chan say that cartoons for boys basically don't exist anymore. I don't really know if that's true but could it have something to do with these nepotism networks?

No. 1864130

>>1864128
They are dumb, there are still a lot of cartoons for boys. The loudhouse and Big city green are huge, plus i wouldnt call stuff like amphia or owl house ''for girls''. They are angry at their imaginary SJW boogeys while at the same time refusing to watch any show that doesnt have a loli protagonist because they are perverted moids at the end.

No. 1864149

>>1863705
This isn't exactly the same, but this reminds me of when Billie Eillish first rose to popularity in the late 2010s and everyone thought she was cringey and edgy and always tried to find a way to cancel her. Feels like the same situation with Vivzie.

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>>1859590
extremely late reply but I decided to check the artist out and kek why are Russki fujo so based? They’re always anti-troon and have top tier art. I thought homosexuality was illegal in putinland???

No. 1864156

>>1864150
is she antitroon?

No. 1864210

>>1863693
>They don't have the safety net of equally degenerate producers and managers that men do that can always come to their rescue, so they're easy to drop like a worthless brick if they become a liability.
You summarized the problem so eloquently, I couldn't have said it better. Male creators feel empowered to unabashedly flaunt the most degenerate fetishes and say or do anything without fear of repercussion because they can always count on the solidarity of their fellow pornbrained male creators to support them and cover up their tracks. On the other hand, female creators are always walking on eggshells not just due to their precarious position in male-dominated, male-controlled industries, but because they know they face intense scrutiny from other female creators and fans. They cannot count on other women to come to their recuse or cover their tracks in the same way influential men have an unspoken agreement to always cover each others' track.

The lack of female solidarity isn't because women are inherently bitchy animals preprogrammed to turn against each other, nor is it because men are inherently more altruistic and predisposed to look out for their fellow moid. Men tacitly understand that they benefit from a system that forgives male degeneracy and sexual crimes, so they always turn a blind eye to their fellow moid because they know that this system is essential for reinforcing woman's position as a subservient second class. This system rewards women for putting down other women, defending or upholding men, centering male approval as a source of identity (the origin of all pickme and NLOG behavior) so women cannot form their own female-centric collective safety net to protect themselves against men and uplift their own interests.

We see this playing out when women tear into so-called problematic female figures with an intensity and fury never reserved for male wrongdoers. Case in point: Vivzie on this site. You don't have to like her works or approve of her but it's absolutely undeniable that her behavior and output are measured against impossible standards that male creators never face.

No. 1864228

>>1864210
What i dont get is whats ''bad'' vs ''good'' degeneracy to these women. You will never see them attack women who draw female abuse like BDSM or those corny toxic bf novels. In fact, there is a whole VN where the ugly moids torture you and the author gets nothing but praise for it. But Vivzie drawing her gaybois? nah man thats going too far, crucify all fetishistic fujos. Oh and also dont you dare draw an agegap realationship where the female character is older, because then the male characters turns in a babygirl cinnamonroll uwu even if he's an adult.

No. 1864243

>>1864228
It's simple. Good = female degeneracy that upholds the male status quo/fetishes a man can get off to, i.e. ddlg, old man thirst, maledom/femsub, etc. Bad = anything a man can't get off to/women can't use to signal to men that they're "one of the good ones" i.e. masc female characters, yaoi, etc.

No. 1864270

>>1864228
It's really easy when you think about it from the lens of "In the big picture, what benefits men? What can men coom to?"

Female abuse under the guise of BDSM, DDLG, generic maldeom garbage, romanticized older man younger woman age gap relationship and mommydom older woman uwu babygirl infantilized younger man relationships are all a-okay approved pornsickness because all of that drivel benefits men and men's ability to coom. BDSM and maledom shit normalizes male abuse in the mainstream while age gap is a stealthy way to get young women to brainwash women into thinking post-wall moids are desirable. The reverse mommydom dynamic is the woke way into psyoping liberal women into being mommy bangmaids for their boyfriends who refuse to grow up. Most of all, all of that content still reinforces the idea that women are most fulfilled by being desirable to men which is why so much heterosexual romance content is so rapey but you'll never see the fandom police approach it with the same scrutiny they give to fujoshit.

Fujoshit is automatic heresy because moids and pickmes cannot fathom the idea of women having sexuality that doesn't revolve around women being desirable to men. Vivzie drawing her donut steel sparkledog OCs and indulging her edgy gayboi fantasies is already a sin because she dared to satisfy her own desires instead of pandering to moid-approved desires.

Fujos liking dark shit? Men will never admit it, but they resent the mere idea that women are deriving enjoyment from the idea of men on the receiving end of male violence, men getting brutalized and raped by other men. In other words, it's fine when men get off to women getting raped - both irl and in fiction - but men cannot handle even the idea of women pulling the uno reverso card. Women expressing these desires fundamentally makes them uncomfortable because it forces them to confront the fact that they derive pleasure at the expense of other people, most often women. But they cannot admit this out loud, which is why they benefit from the system I described in >>1864210 Women aren't taught to protect fellow women and their interests in the same way men collectively shield their own men and self-serving systems. Men can count on women to squash other women who dare to express themselves in a way that does not uphold men's pleasure.

No. 1864293

>>1864270
>Fujos liking dark shit? Men will never admit it, but they resent the mere idea that women are deriving enjoyment from the idea of men on the receiving end of male violence, men getting brutalized and raped by other men
You know deep down, it's never a "man" getting abused or receiving male violence 99% of fujo media.(bait)

No. 1864296

>>1864293
nta but nice tif logic

No. 1864306

>>1864293
This is only true for omegaverse, but I highly doubt it's 99% of fujo media. Also I can't help but see a correlation between the rise in popularity of omegaverse and moid coomshit tropes gaining more popularity in female fandom spaces, probably because social media centralization has everyone in the same places interacting with each other.

No. 1864307

>>1864296
It's the fucking reason why so many tifs think they can become men.
>>1864306
mpeg in slash fiction goes back to the 80's though.

No. 1864319

>>1864306
Even in omegaverse, unless it's specifically involving intersex genitals or a 'cuntboy' (which is definitely degenerate TIF garbage), it's just a male body with a self lubricating asshole. It's still not a woman, the writer is not describing a female, the reader is not imagining a female, because it's inevitably fanfiction about male characters. mpreg may or may not be involved but it's generally because they want a baby for plot purposes, not because they are trying to gender bend a character.

No. 1864323

>>1864150
Russian fujos got top tier art schools and no respect for American politics, they keep winning

No. 1864328

>>1864319
>male body with a self lubricating asshole. It's still not a woman, the writer is not describing a female, the reader is not imagining a female, because it's inevitably fanfiction about male characters. mpreg may or may not be involved but it's generally because they want a baby for plot purposes, not because they are trying to gender bend a character.
Are you being serious? None of these points you mentioned are indicative of a gay male relationship or sexual activity.

No. 1864334

>>1864328
A majority of that stuff is written for and by women. The storyline and romantic pursuit is always incredibly feminine. They have heat cycles and get pregnant. The bottoms look like the towel boy meme. Gay male sex sounds like flip flops sprinting on concrete. They are as a majority not reading this and nobody who is reading it is thinking about real gay sex because they're women.

No. 1864349

>>1863449
NAYRT but any reason to learn a language is worth it, even one that might seem cringe and stupid to you. This is the number one mistake burgerfags make, which I know you aren't (Eurofag? If you're an eurofag there's no way you would be saying this) but you have to be careful not to adopt their mentality. Burgerfags also have the added idiotic reason that learning another language is "cultural appropriation" if you don't prove roots from that country. While they type away smugly in judgement talking shit about people learning Chinese or Japanese just to read about their yaoibois or whatever their brains are stagnating and their mind is becoming more narrow by the minute. In these cases there's very little that separates them from an actual right-wing racist who avoids learning anything about other cultures and languages out of xenophobia instead of "respect".

No. 1864359

>>1864323
Other than the war, sliding into full dictatorship, and a future having their state severed from the world, but a few of them can draw porn. "such an enviable position".

No. 1864362

>>1864210
The system rewarding women for tearing down each other is the core problem we face in a lot of these discussions. You call a female creator out, you will be given a personal army and see her face punishment. You call a male creator out, you'll be attacked, sent rape threats to, people won't believe you and even if they did he would get a light slap on the wrist at best. We've all seen it happen and we've been conditioned to live by it. It's only the past few years that people have started realizing it and deprogramming yourself and the people around you doesn't happen overnight.

>>1864270
>Most of all, all of that content still reinforces the idea that women are most fulfilled by being desirable to men which is why so much heterosexual romance content is so rapey but you'll never see the fandom police approach it with the same scrutiny they give to fujoshit.
This is what never ceases to borderline blackpill me. Sharing a fandom with pickmes who unironically objectify themselves and see it as a neutral ground is so fucking bleak I want to scream, they see drawing two boys kissing as a controversial action but allowing men to coom with no restrictions is the norm because everything revolves around evaluating what's acceptable for men. Everything has to pass through a male lens and meet their standards, men set the rules simply because they're the gender who will chimp the fuck out and ruin your life if they don't get their way. The amount of times I've had a pickme, without an ounce of irony, tell me that being openly critical of pornified moidgaze female characters is """lesbo/biphobic""" and/or """misogynistic""" is astronomical. They don't believe it themselves, they know it's bullshit, they know they're only doing it as a defense mechanism to prevent learning wrongthink so that they can cope in this world where you have to adhere to male tastes or live a life of misery. They know it's exhausting to be battered with objectification everywhere they go so the best thing they can do is to brainwash themselves into accepting it. What they consider "empowering" is nothing more than a false sense of safety brought upon by submission. You feel "strong" because as long as you conform you don't have to fear your oppressor's punishment.

No. 1864365

>>1864349
Doesn’t America have the most multilingual speakers of any county? There are more English/Spanish bilingual speakers in the US then in all Latam countries combined.
> Burgerfags also have the added idiotic reason that learning another language is "cultural appropriation" if you don't prove roots from that country
This isn’t a thing, you have never in your life heard anyone say anything like that, you’re retarded

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>>1864365
I wish I had better caps at hand but there were both trolls and unironic posts on tumblr talking about how white people learning other languages is cultural appropriation.
This one is a famous troll post that sparked a huge thread, for example:
https://www.tumblr.com/newsstrider/637398858640605184/why-do-so-many-white-people-speak-non-white

Trolls always take advantage of Poe's Law on tumblr so a lot of times people can't differentiate between blatant trolling and an unironic rage post racebaiting, as they're both absurd and inane.

No. 1864380

>>1864365
Plus most people I know either took German or Spanish in highschool. French is also a common option, but it comes down to what’s available on a school by school basis. They might not continue learning or practicing after highschool, but some do. Especially if they go to college for a BA instead of a BS, because that typically requires x amount of language credits. Some people go on to study the languages they were learning in highschool, some people pick a different language that wasn’t offered at their highschool.

No. 1864383

>>1863965
i think you're trolling but no they wouldn't have kek there have never been as many furry haters than now

No. 1864387

>>1864380
Yeah I’m American and started Spanish classes in 1st grade, then switched to French in 9th grade. My sister did Spanish and German. Most Americans I know have at least a b1 fluency in a foreign language, and a lot of people speak more than two, everyone in my family speaks 2-3. It’s weird because I’ve seen multiple posts saying that Americans only speak English lately, I don’t know where someone could get that idea

No. 1864388

>>1864378
Picrel is a troll, right?

No. 1864393

>>1864388
Yep, definitely seems like one if you check the blog and everything. I do remember non-trolling unhinged anon asks but I can't find them at the moment.

No. 1864394

>>1864365
>>1864380
What counts as multilingual though? I took 3 foreign languages in school but it's not like I can hold a decent conversation is most of those languages so I don't claim I speak those languages. Do people commonly get to B1 just from learning a foreign language in school (and maintain if after)?

No. 1864398

>>1864378
This happened a lot during that era, trolls would just make up the most senseless things to see which ones caught on. People have gotten a little better at recognizing them these days but you still hear people saying "remember when tumblr thought it was racist to learn other languages?????" when a lot of it was started by trolls and eventually mixed in with sincere people thinking this needs to be said. It still happens occasionally too, like that recent thing about the Japanese McDonalds family french fry eating ad that some 4chan trolls claimed to have been blasted by "SJWs" saying it was homophobic/misogynist/transphobic propaganda because one person made a very obvious joke about it and everyone just accepted it as a fact because who doesn't love dunking on those pesky SJWs. It even made news in Japan, people honestly thought that "westerners" were mad about the ad when there was no proof of it ever really happening.

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I feel like everyone here has forgotten a basic fact that most people figured out since 2020, you can only be canceled by your own audience. The fact of the matter is, if you paint yourself as progressive, you will eventually get canceled for never meeting those immense ideals. The only men who get canceled are the types of men who portray themselves as progressive from the start(look at Joss Whedon). All you have to do is make your intentions clear, and you will not be affected. Look at Britney Venti, for example, she's never going to be canceled because she's already open about who she is. This is not to say that canceling doesn't happen on the right; look at iDubbbz, he got cancelled by his own audience for going against the values the audience he built up, expected of him.

No. 1864411

>>1864403
Right wing commentators will not be canceled by progressives, everyone here knows that. Right wing commentators will be cancelled by their own kind if they step out of line. Lauren Southern hid the fact that she was married to an Asian fed because she knew her own audience would eat her alive for a.) racemixing and b.) dating a government official. Shoeonhead got called a coalburner for having a black boyfriend in the past. Brittany Venti has been shunned and treated as a dumb clown bimbo for years in right wing circles, nobody takes her seriously and treats her as a thot despite her retarded tradcath larp. You're delusional if you think it's less about misogyny and more about "pandering to le progressives!!!11" that gets female creators chastised so hard, there are multiple male creators who lick the boots of every ultrawokeist they come across yet they'll never face the same intense scrutiny female creators in the same circles do.

No. 1864413

>>1863390
It's honestly fascinating that apparently (anyone correct me if they know better) the extremelly obnoxious and unhinged south korean incels didn't bother to harass this artist, but fucking western troons and their handmaidens did. But south korean incels and western tims should join forces, they act so much alike.

No. 1864414

>>1864394
It usually takes people anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to reach b1 in foreign languages. Everyone is different though, and some people might struggle with certain languages or with foreign language in general.
Fluency is a very abstract concept because there a different ways to gauge fluency level, but typically if someone is at b1 they would generally be considered fluent, since reaching b1 means the speaker is proficient.

No. 1864417

>>1864411
I remember, there was this far-right racist dude, that cancelled for being 1/4th Jewish.

No. 1864425

>>1864417
People who whine and moan about "lefties" being quick to jump the gun and cancel people but praise right wingers for being so "chill" have such confirmation bias it makes your head spin. Right wingers will cancel a woman for lying about being a virgin or hiding having a boyfriend. Right wingers cancelled idubbbz because he was "a cuck" for not giving a shit about his girlfriend's onlyfans. Right wingers attack creators all the time for saying something they don't agree with, boycott any brand that voices any support for basic human rights (because it's "wokeist propaganda") and accuse everyone of being the SJW boogeyman breaching on muh free speech and oppressing "traditional values", the "conservative" creator I followed as a guilty pleasure got attacked for believing a female sexual assault victim's story because that's cuckery guys. They have so much infighting and their own aggressive cancel culture that gets ignored just because it's not as memed on even though they usually have straight out neo nazis and stormfront lunatics threatening your life.

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>>1864417
>>1864425
I mean, it depends on the 'right-wing' group we're talking about. Ben Shapiro is Jewish and has a working professional wife. He supports immigration in the West, and his sister married an Arab Jew. Even one of these things would get him booted from real far-right groups. However, in most mainstream right-wing parties, this is acceptable, and he has a thriving career. It's one of the reasons I don't understand why he is called alt-right because, by definition, he isn't. He is the Right. Venti and Sh0e made the the bullshit choices of pandering to wierdos. Interestingly Sh0e has shifted to a breadtube-adjacent audience by claiming she's actually bi and armoured skeptic is trying and failing to do the same.

No. 1864433

>>1864403
This is true and it makes me unwillingly respect retards like Joshua Moon. He has been "cancelled" to the ends of the earth by everyone and yet manages to maintain an absurdly supportive audience who go to bat for him over anything. He's very transparent about his ideals and that ultimately cultivating a level of fan loyalty that a lot of creators don't really understand

No. 1864434

>>1864433
We know it's you null(hi cow, retardation)

No. 1864463

>>1864429
Ben Shapiro would absolutely be cancelled by his own if he came out defending a sexual assault victim (unless the perpetrator was non-white of course) or speaking for gay rights for example. You really can't judge right wing influencers by left wing metrics, once you start looking at how easily they go from 0 to 100 over someone disagreeing with them or saying something that's considered controversial in their circles such as "women are paid less than men" you'll realize how thin skinned they really are. They talk big shit about lefties being obsessed with cancel culture but would literally burn books to get rid of wrongthink.

No. 1864500

>>1864210
This is why I'm trying my best to be more lenient with female creators even if it goes against my first instinct. I'm only going to drop female creators when they actually do something heinous like pedoshit or grooming. I know it hurts our radfem sensibilities sometimes, what with majority of women being pickmes and refusing to even acknowledge misogyny exists, but female solidarity has to be built from the ground up and we'll have to start somewhere.

No. 1864505

>>1864463
The topic is more in relation to getting "cancelled" and it's not a tendency of the left but those who paint themselves progressive.

No. 1864507

>>1864433
I agree aswell I started watching his podcast after a nonnie linked it here alot of his talking points against troons are very lc centered and its's very admirable how antiporn and anti lolicon he is also more based since a rapist tyranny is trying to take kiwi down yet he didnt back down he maybe a 4channer moid but atleast he's true to the reality of the world

No. 1864511

>>1864500
>I know it hurts our radfem sensibilities sometimes, what with majority of women being pickmes and refusing to even acknowledge misogyny exists, but female solidarity has to be built from the ground up and we'll have to start somewhere.
This is why I want to be as understanding as possible with female creators too. I'm willing to give even the vilest pickmes a chance because I know they've been conditioned to be the way they are, of course that doesn't mean you have to be a doormat and turn the other cheek but it's pointless to pretend like they haven't been rewarded for harboring internalized misogyny since birth. Some of them are genuinely bad people that deserve the scrutiny, but we all need to take a second to re-evaluate our reaction and see if we'd do the same if it was a male creator.

>>1864507
Oh yeah Joshua Moon who famously was kicked off 8chan for making a board for pedophiles to post their child rape fantasies there because muh free speech and has openly stated that he's against feminism and female rights. What a based guy, I hope he sticks it to those trannies!!!11 Seriously, if this isn't bait then kiwifags need to be put down for their own good.

No. 1864517

>>1864511
Did he? I didn't know that… I know he has stated he was a mod for 4chan at one time so he knew whoever posted about lolis were always pedophiles but I didn't know he made the thread himself..

No. 1864520

>>1864319
I don't think most people have ever read a generic omegaverse manga, it really is just an excuse for heat/pheromone/bite bs and mpreg being more than a time skip "and now kids have magically appeared" is rarer.
They're dudes with an excuse not to have lube and an excuse to have "noncon but con" because people bitch about it.

No. 1864571

>>1864398
>This happened a lot during that era, trolls would just make up the most senseless things to see which ones caught on. People have gotten a little better at recognizing them these days but you still hear people saying "remember when tumblr thought it was racist to learn other languages?????" when a lot of it was started by trolls and eventually mixed in with sincere people thinking this needs to be said.
As much as I hated the SJWs back on older Tumblr, the opposite side were legitimately awful at telling troll posts from legit. I used to have a friend who constantly believed the posts that "celebrating father's day is patriarchal" or "calling teeth white and straight is racist and homophobic", and thought that Anita Sarkeesian was the feminism figurehead. Just like how liberal Tumblr people believe any unsourced political post.

>>1864425
In my experience the confirmation bias that conservatives are more "chill" comes from disaffected former liberals who haven't been in conservative circles for a long time. I grew up conservative and they turn on each other for a difference in opinion just as much as modern leftists do.

No. 1864577

>>1864505
The topic was that authors like Vivziepop "have only themselves to blame for cultivating the audience that they did" in response to people making the statement that female creators are scrutinized everywhere and that it's in relation to misogyny instead of "the audience you cultivate". You could be a straight out a nazi wife and have fellow neonazis cancel you over something they would allow a man to do.

No. 1864590

>>1864577
it even happens in so-called feminist radfem spaces where any woman who doesn't adhere to strict ideological purity gets witch-hunted and shit-talked while right wing moids who say "troons are bad" and nothing else are praised even though they are the one who are much more harmful.

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Speaking of getting canceled, currently Rick Riordan is on the receiving end due to being baby murdering zionist. While he didn't comment much on it, other than condemning the Oct 7 attacks, his wife is Jewish and she made a few pro-Israel posts that got people furious. They started review bombing his new series, and just like with JK Rowling, people are re-reading his series to try to find 'problematic' stuff, like this one line about how a main character's mixed-race father who used to play various ethnic roles.

No. 1864593

>>1864500
>>1864511
You both say that you'll try to be more lenient with female creators but I never felt the need to specifically do that so I want to ask, out of curiosity, why you felt like you had to be harsher with women than with men. Is it because you gravitate towards fics, series, books, manga, fanart, etc. made by women to begin with most of the time so it's just bound to happen eventually? Or is it because of the whole "they're women, they should know better?" mindset I keep seeing everywhere? One of you mentioned radfems and tbh the ones I see on twitter seem like they're occasionally doing both at the same time while also having their specific problematic favorite shows or female celebrities like Azaelia Banks or whatever and they don't talk much about male creators because they avoid them like the plague to begin with, unless these male creators are involved in recent news.

No. 1864594

>>1864591
"dashing Israeli spy" immediately followed by "Syrian terrorist" sure is something kek. Hope he gets his lashings after throwing JK under the bus to tout his own series

No. 1864598

>>1864500
>>1864511
Don’t get me wrong, some women are just unrepentant pickmes with zero chance of salvation so they deserve to be publicly ridiculed. But I’m talking about women who wholeheartedly encourage the worst of moid behavior, women who put men on a pedestal for doing the bare minimum, moms who ruin their daughters’ lives with tradwife beliefs, and tradthots who pander to the lowest common denominator male. So cows like Aellagirl or GimpGirl, and all the women in the tradthot thread.

The women who routinely pop up in the fandom-adjacent threads (Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, that one skilled Chinese artist who draws the fat cuntboy OC) are not that. If anything, their behavior mainly harms themselves, whether they’re being milky or having full on public mental breakdowns. There’s legit male pedos, rapists, groomers, criminals and whatnot who get mentioned in passing in these threads but it’s always Vivizie this fujos that. Then we have recent gems like this
>w-well it’s your fault if you pander to the progressives!!11
>Null is a based radfem ally since he expressed anti-porn and anti-lolicon opinions once aka the bare minimum for decency
>Right wing men are just more chill
Which exactly proves the point that even anons in this thread will go out of their way to blame women and uphold the worst men. It’s not even a matter of moidposting, since there are many women who unironically sound like them and share these beliefs.

No. 1864600

>>1864591
It's amazing how selective and unprincipled these people are even though they uphold themselves as the paragons of virtue. If the Israel-Palestine situation didn't happen they'd ignore all of this stuff and continue to pit him against JKR for having good LGBT/BIPOC/ neurodivergent/whatever representation. Only now am I seeing people call him ableist and how some of his characters are "token representation" done for brownie points. funny that. This is why I'd never try to appeal to the "woke" crowd because they'll turn on you and retroactively claim everything you've done in the past as racist for a single misstep.

No. 1864604

>>1864593
AYRT, yes there is kind of an idea about expecting female creators to do better since we all live in this misogynistic world so they should understand female suffering. But we have to realize that all of us were brainwashed and undo-ing the brainwashing will take time and compassion from other women. Some will take much longer to break the conditioning than others, some may never break it all. So I think we should look back on our past, whether we were NLOGs or moid-obsessed women, and give them some grace. Of course this only applies to female creators who aren't actually harming people with their content, we shouldn't support every woman in existence.

No. 1864606

>>1864378
Tbh when these posts kept circulating on tumblr when I was in high school I was seriously wondering if that was at least partially true because I had a turbo autistic and incompetent Japanese teacher in who would berate the kids who were selected for her program for choosing to learn Japanese and add more lessons than we already had if the kids said they liked manga and anime and video games and that's what made them want to learn the language. She was treating it like 15 years old students were supposed to already think about what knowing Japanese would bring to the table in terms of professional opportunities and she wanted us to only care about Japan's "real" culture. It was bizarre and very in line with these troll posts, I'm sure I wouldn't even have paid attention to that online discourse if it weren't for knowing an authority figure irl preaching similar shit for several years. At some point there was an exchange program between some girls from our school and a Japanese high school and when a friend and I talked about the latest Black Butler chapters with one of the Japanese girls the teacher was seething. We had to learn English and either Spanish or German so the teachers teaching us these languages didn't give a shit if wanted to learn them and why, on the other hand.

No. 1864617

>>1864600
that's the point I'm trying to make, compare rick to someone like Orson Scott Card, who has been openly funding conversation therapy and right-wing Mormon groups for his entire career, his work can't get cancelled cause his audience knows what he is from the start.

No. 1864625

>>1864617
The “if you don’t want to get canceled, don’t pander to woketards in the first place” line of thinking sounds good in theory but in reality it’s another way the double standards for male vs female creators manifest. Creators have very limited control over the audience they attract and how the fans will interpret their characters. It’s not Vivzie’s personal fault that she wanted to make an edgy adult animated comedy and her fans consist of retarded teenyboppers. That butch x butch lesbian Korean artist upthread who got canceled by gendies was just drawing what appealed to her but crazies still dug through her old tweets for ammo. Sachiko Kaneoya was just doing her thing drawing boys in military uniforms and Tumblrtards accused her of being a Nazi. JKR never pandered to the wokes and people still accused her of betraying them when she unabashedly expressed TERF views. Women can just be indulging their personal desires and people will still find a way to cancel them, which is why the “it’s your fault for creating content that the woke crowd happens to also like” is a very restrictive way to approach the situation. It’s just another way to punish women who step out of line.

Besides, once the Israel-Palestine conflict comes out of vogue people will continue to support Rick Riordan. Even if he panders to the wokies, he will never get rape or death threats at the same intensity directed to JKR. Orson Scott Card reached the peak of his popularity in a time when the boundary between creator and fan was more strictly defined, so that plus his status as a male makes him immune to the current political climate, not him being forthright about his political views.

No. 1864633

>>1864625
It sucks because even keeping your personal opinions all to yourself online won't help protect you as a women. If you dare to even simply include gay/lesbian/GNC characters in your work, the gendies will flock to your work whether you court them or not.

No. 1864641

>>1864600
>It's amazing how selective and unprincipled these people are even though they uphold themselves as the paragons of virtue. If the Israel-Palestine situation didn't happen they'd ignore all of this stuff and continue to pit him against JKR for having good LGBT/BIPOC/ neurodivergent/whatever representation.
What gets me is that the conflict between Israel and Palestine has been going on for 75 years, but the only people I see talk about regardless of side (fandom or not) were ones personally affected by it or invested in anti-war/anti-military issues. Now after Oct 7th people jumped on it like they jumped on Russia-Ukraine and BLM, etc. They didn't care until they were told to.

No. 1864648

>>1864633
>If you dare to even simply include gay/lesbian/GNC characters in your work, the gendies will flock to your work whether you court them or not.
This is especially true for (GNC) lesbian art in my experience. Some of them start requesting you to draw trans characters too (oftentimes it's just moids trying to get futa art) which wouldn't be bad on its own if people were free to refuse but there's a limit to it. You can get away with saying "no this character isn't" but if you're too adamant on not drawing troons or say you have no interest in ever having that in your work you'll get called transphobic for it. That butch/butch artist got asked if any of her characters had top surgery scars and I wouldn't be surprised if her audience "gently" pressures her into drawing TIMs to prove her loyalty too. Gendies won't leave a single thing untouched, if you draw GNC art you either have to cave in at some point to not alert any red flags or ignore them and have some people feel suspicious about you.

No. 1864652

>>1864633
Exactly - you’re damned if you do, dammed if you don’t. Even being apolitical online is enough for a woman to be cancelled. This is why the “don’t pander to progressives” line of thinking of so self-defeating, because everyone from wokies to moids to even farmers will always find a way to tear apart a female creator they dislike.

No. 1864659

>>1864403
Progressive moids with progressive audiences never get cancelled though, which is why people are making the comparison between goosetranny and viv.

No. 1864660

>>1864648
I follow so many western "WLW" artists who have a large following, a Patreon, etc., draw TIM and spicy straight content alongside normal lesbian and butch art. I'm sure most of them are just bisexual TRAs but some others I can tell they only do it to placate the mob, because they still get criticized on how they draw/write the TIMs or not being good enough allies. One I follow literally has a TIM/butch OC couple but only reblogs thirst trap photos of biological women, it makes me wonder how long they'll come for her. Makes me never want to post art in public again.

No. 1864679

>>1864500
>I'm only going to drop female creators when they actually do something heinous like pedoshit or grooming
Has this ever happened? everytime i hear of a '''female''' creator acussed of grooming its always a troon. Very telling.

No. 1864682

>>1864660
Maybe it's just me, but the truth is I don't mind seeing futa art as long as the futa in question still retains realistic and not hypersexualized proportions, that is, a completely normal woman but with a dick. Some w/w artists I follow usually post a normal w/w version and then a futa version. I only like the normal version and ignore the futa version, which is generally the one that ends up having the most interactions. I think that maybe some artists are completely aware of this and that's why they draw futa art in the first place, to gain more exposure.

And then of course there are the artists who only draw futa with massive tits and horse dicks.

No. 1864691

>>1864682
Futa means nothing anymore, it's just trannies. I remember back in the day futas were women with retractable dicks or dicks that grew from magic, and they didnt have balls because of this magic bullshit reason. Now ''futas'' just means tranny. I feel like a degenerate for knowing all this, but i used to run in NSFW circles in the early 10s and i remember a bunch of futafag male artists got cancelled by trannies for drawing futas. Now the same trannies that used to cancel futa artists for ''sexualizing transwomen'' are now calling out on lesbian artists for NOT drawing their futashit.

No. 1864694

>>1864682
I'm not bisexual or into dick so I don't like futa, but it's telling it went from being a niche over a decade to being everywhere. I don't mind if artists make alternate versions either (that's the smartest thing to do IMO if you draw for money), but I'm talking about making lip service for "transgirls"/TIMs and making OCs like that, calling it "WLW/lesbian content" etc., not just drawing a certain fetish sometimes. I used to be friends with a popular artist who was also friends with a popular lesbian artist who was sent messages begging her to draw "trans-inclusive WLW" content, and she ended up having to because she makes income off it. She wouldn't have otherwise.

>>1864691
>but i used to run in NSFW circles in the early 10s and i remember a bunch of futafag male artists got cancelled by trannies for drawing futas. Now the same trannies that used to cancel futa artists for ''sexualizing transwomen''
I remember that too. I followed one artist with a separate SFW and NSFW presence, I only followed the SFW one but I later saw a callout linking to the NSFW identity for drawing futa a lot and that was "fetishizing transwomen". But now I see artists nowadays say they "found their identity through futa" and treat female artists who only draw "AFABs" as suspicious, even though "cis" male artists who did draw it were.

No. 1864711

>>1864682
What the fuck is wrong with you?

No. 1864726

>>1864598
It's also worth mentioning that null's "anti-porn" stance is the same as for any other misogynist man, because they feel it's "for loser men who can't get any real pussy", not because of its exploitation of women. Meanwhile people ITT are doing mental cartwheels about how Vivzie's leaked DM of her calling some retarded FTM a transtrender doesn't count because it wasn't a TIM.

>>1864625
Exactly. I don't think Toby Fox ever predicted the kind of fandom Undertale would have for example, nor did Scott Cawthon think Five nights at freddy's would be the favourite of mentally ill gendies. Vivziepop never really even "pandered to wokies" in the first place, her shows are filled with swear words, sexualized situations, violence and other edgy content which one would think they would find problematic. Which they do, and that's why they're constantly trying to rip on her. Even the infamous tranny character came in way past her being cancelled for the umpteenth time.

No. 1864733

>>1864726
null was making fun of couples that decided to not have kids and saying tradtoth shit like ''good luck dying alone and not spreading your genes'' he's only ''antiloli'' to overcompesate for making that pedoboard in his old chan ripoff

No. 1864736

>>1864691
Futa discourse is really odd sometimes. There's a popular HI3 and GI "F/F" artist who only ever draws trans (futa) of a female character for her ships. On one hand she got called out for fetishization and making the character trans solely for sexual purposes and not actually caring about the trans identity, while on the other some TIMs defended her because if she drops the trans headcanon they won't get their futa PIV sex anymore obviously. Both of these pro and against groups recognize the trans garbage is done for fetish purposes and no one actually cares about trannies but only one of them comes out and says it kek. It's the same for cuntboy content. People can make whatever degenerate art they want but wrapping it up in progressive language instead of admitting you just wanna jerk off will never cease to annoy me.

No. 1864738

>>1864733
Do you have more info about him making that board as an 8chan mod? I believe it but I somehow never heard of this.

>>1864726
He's against Onlyfans for the same conservative reasons, he's said more shit against the "whores" that have OF than the men who subscribe to them.

No. 1864740

>>1864736
kek does anyone remember puppygrll? she got called out for fetishizing trannies for having a troon OC. Trannies are such an insane fuckinf community that i have no idea why so many artists still listen to them. If you draw trannies you are fetishizing them, if you dont then you are a twansphobe terf!! what the fuck do they want

No. 1864746

>>1864736
Is this about Maiqo or another one of those "yuri" artists?

No. 1864749

>>1864740
>>1864736
I swear to god "fetishization" as a term should've never entered the mainstream. It has become just another way of saying you dislike something without having to actually explain why because the weight it carries will make people immediately assume the worst. Oftentimes it's used because the person complaining has other petty issues with the content in question or just dislikes the person making it. But like you said, no one actually cares until someone points it out and it suddenly becomes too much to ignore and now the accused needs to apologize to people who don't give a shit either way. That last part is what annoys me the most, why should complete strangers be given the satisfaction of an apology over something that should not fucking matter to them

No. 1864752

A lot of Viv haters are hypocrites. Not new information, I know, but it’s true. I used to be friends with some years ago, they refused to support her stuff due to the old Zoophobia drawings and thinking she’s “cringe” but then would talk about knotting KEK.

No. 1864753

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>>1864752
they are fucking insane
>cries about vivzie pop drawing some cringe furry porn
>while using an edgelord page that uses slurs every two sentneces and even made fun of a new born baby as source
how can they be so hypocritical?

No. 1864758

>>1864733
Kek and when did null get married and have children?

No. 1864761

>>1864694
>and treat female artists who only draw "AFABs" as suspicious, even though "cis" male artists who did draw it were.
I don't even have a social media presence but in some of the old friend groups I was in there were seriously people trying to subtly or directly pressure me or change my mind somehow kek. Like I met some seriously delusional people that made a habit of sending me porn they knew I wasn't into to change my mind or "reframe" and "reexamine", or actively attempting to get me into it. And it wasn't just one or two people, it was upwards of like ten over the course of the last 7 years or so. Again I'm not an eceleb or a big dick artist or anything I literally drew my own personal art and it somehow upset the gendies around me kek. Out of all of them only 3 or 4 of them ever admitted it directly once I confronted them.

I've found a group of like minded people now that are fine with whatever I draw and don't try to pressure me out, so there's that at least. But I don't ever think I'm going to post my porn on social media. People will literally spend years talking to you to get in your good graces and sneak into a private twitter account or a friends list, and I don't need anyone chanting "draw her with a dick!" at random fanart that I do. I'm not into femboys or bottom twink bitches, what makes you think I will ever draw a troonie when I'm not into dick, oh but I'm not allowed to say I don't want to draw dick because that's baaaaad. I have to be into tranny porn because it's just like real hetero or gay sex with a teensy tinsy extra detail, bigot!

No. 1864764

>>1864761
I always figured if I ever draw porn again I'm just going to make a personal site away from social media and just dump it there. I can give people who are interested a way to see it, but no comment section for anyone's unsolicited opinions. It sucks that we have to do that, though. The only artists I see that are allowed to draw only one sex are troon artists, so everyone else has to be "pansexual" except for them.

No. 1864775

>>1864758
he's already a post wall moid with rotting sperm thats more likely to have tard children

No. 1864776

>>1864764
I don't even get why it's a bad thing to say you're not into tranny porn. It's like yes the sex is different, everyone can see it, the genitals are off (or there's a tit chop), everyone understands it, but you're not allowed to say it. I want to say it's extreme virtue signaling but considering how much projecting trannies do, it usually shoots them right down to their stomach that you wouldn't fuck them or don't find them attractive enough to draw so they lash out. Everything else is a simple matter of opinion people will maybe have petty arguments over, but god forbid you touch the tranny porn. Literally murdering trans people and making them feel unwanted or something. You have to let "Alice" see "her"self in your porn or else he's gonna hold his breath until he's blue for a really long time, and it'll be your fault, I'm telling you. Tranny blood on your hands, just saying. This is a real 'discussion' I had with a tif once
>I always figured if I ever draw porn again I'm just going to make a personal site away from social media and just dump it there. I can give people who are interested a way to see it, but no comment section for anyone's unsolicited opinions.
This sounds good perhaps. Maybe I'm paranoid but in my head I'd totally see people trying to find some way to contact you to beg and kneel at your feet as if they were homeless beggars for some shit or other.

No. 1864779

>>1864764
>>1864761
why dont you guys just ignore them? its what i do. I honestly think its kinda funny to get TIFs comments asking me to draw cuntboys or whatever while i just ignore them over and over. We genuinely need more artists that dont pay attention to those retards.

No. 1864782

>>1864761
Tranny entitlement seeps into every aspect of their lives whether it's how people perceive them or what porn randoms make. In their eyes there's no limit/boundary to how much they can demand because they can just say the magic words (you're a transphobe and literally genociding trans kids mantra) to get whatever they want. It makes no sense how troons can write and draw as much PIV as they want while proclaiming how queer and gay it is but if you only want to see same-sex porn you're technically "allowed" to but you can't say that explicitly and you have to be okay with liking liking opposite-sex content sometimes to show you're not trans Hitler. The whole thing is a joke to any sane person, I wish fandom was never associated with activism or SJW shit.

No. 1864788

>>1864779
IDK about anyone else but when I ignored people they just got more persistent, some people will repeatedly remake to evade blocks, etc. I also don't care to post on social media algorithms which is another reason why an off-site gallery is my method.

No. 1864794

>>1864749
I swear to god, the first times I've seen that word used online it was to describe insane situations like incredibly racist, far right guys obsessively looking for porn by typing racist slurs in the search bars of their favorite websites. Now it's "oh you're a straight woman who finds good looking men attractive and who reads cutesy family friendly BL where the main characters just kiss, hold hands and hug? You're fetishizing real gay men for finding the fictional male characters attractive!"

No. 1864804

>>1864779
They were friends I held over from the early to mid 2010s before the tranny craze happened so I was willing to entertain at least listening to them. But hey got progressively crazier and crazier and drank more koolaid until they felt comfortable enough to act crazy in front of a long-time friend I guess. I was lucky it only was like 12+ or so people that I personally knew, but I fear it probably would've been a lot more if I had gone public with my art. Troons are usually persistent but I agree with you regardless. It just kind of sucked and still sucks to me personally that it was people who I thought were my friends. I had already peaked before that but man. People will really put their friendships and boundaries on the line for this little cult.
>>1864794
It just means that said person is drawing content I don't like and in my head I think they may have ulterior motives (my motives are better!) at this point. Usually always followed by said accuser doing the exact same shit but coming up with some arbitrary reason as to why they or people they like can but nobody else can

No. 1864805

>>1864788
Maybe i am just an asshole but i like reading them try to get to me but failing miserably.

No. 1864965

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She went from "I got kicked out Hugo awards" to this. Sucks to be her.

No. 1865031

>>1864726
>Vivziepop never really even "pandered to wokies" in the first place, her shows are filled with swear words, sexualized situations, violence and other edgy content which one would think they would find problematic
are you being serious? it marketed it's self as "queer" and lgbtqa+ positive from the start. you are literally making shit up to justify liking a frankly awful show.

No. 1865040

>>1864965
I have never heard anyone talk about her book outside of people here shitting on it, lmfao.

No. 1865045

>>1865040
every single review of the book, even by wokies considered it mediocre at best and was confused about the world-building, and I've skimmed through it and yeah it doesn't make much sense.

No. 1865108

>>1865045
didnt it get a movie deal? i dont know much about xirian, but she has to be rich or something, right? its weird she went from no one to no one with a best seller and movie deal.

No. 1865113

>>1865108
>but she has to be rich or something, right? its weird she went from no one to no one with a best seller and movie deal.
her parents bought her a mansion in Vancouver

No. 1865120

>>1865113
God i wish that were me. I swear every breadtuber is rich.

No. 1865131

>>1865031
No it wasn't. Just having gay and lesbian characters in it isn't "pandering to the wokies".

No. 1865163

>>1864965
It is so interesting to see the consequences of a matter that is -actually- controversial instead of typical 'safe' matters like lib feminism or gay rights. Almost like protesting the establishment is not supposed to just be a tweet and everyone claps. So many people falling from the clouds with the palestine/israel discourse

No. 1865203

>>1865163
I think I posted about this a few thread back, and I really hope this doesn't get tagged as a racebait, but there a lot of Jewish people in publishing and Hollywood and they are generally progressive and lax on every issue except Israel, so seeing wokies basically ruin their careers before they even began.

No. 1865213

>>1864965
Maybe I'm stupid but how exactly would the Israel/Palestine conflict delay the publishing of a book?

No. 1865224

>>1865213
Maybe the publishers/people she is working with support the side she is against to, making her want to change/talk it out with them

No. 1865253

>>1864679
Marion Zimmer Bradley is the only one that comes to mind atm

No. 1865260

>>1865253
for those who don't, Marion Zimmer Bradley was a fairly popular prot-YA author, her books were a big part in feminist fantasy fiction as well, turns she molested her own daughter and would lure little boys to be molested by her husband.

No. 1865263

>>1864965
Why is the word palestine censored?

No. 1865269

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>>1865260
>>1865253
Here are some excerpts by the daughter of what her parents like and how they justified the abuse.

>I was born into a family of famous gay pagan authors in the late Sixties. My mother was Marion Zimmer Bradley, and my father was Walter Breen. Between them, they wrote over 100 books: my mother wrote science fiction and fantasy (Mists of Avalon), and my father wrote books on numismatics: he was a coin expert.

>My mother molested me from ages 3-12. The first time I remember my father doing anything especially violent to me I was five. Yes he raped me. I don’t like to think about it. If you want to know about his shenanigans with little girls, and you have a very strong stomach, you can google the Breendoggle.
>More profoundly, though was his disgust with my gender, despite his many relationships with women Moiraand female victims. He told me unequivocally that no man would ever want me, because all men are secretly gay and have simply not come to terms with their natural homosexuality. So I learned to act mannish and walk with very still hips.
>As might be imagined, although my mother was perfectly well aware of my father’s crimes, and so was my “stepmother,” I was disbelieved almost up to the moment of his conviction, and discounted as “hysterical.” Again, much of that is in the public record: my mother’s cold indifference and my stepmother’s pretense of complete lack of responsibility is sickening in and of itself. Her words ought to suffice. She knew what he wanted to do.
>My father and mother’s belief was this: since everyone is naturally gay, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited. Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become “who they really are.” It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other “isms.” If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be “normal” and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish. As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as “straight culture” goes the way of the dinosaur. As my mother used to say: “Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex.”

No. 1865286

>>1865263
attracts gore video bots. Who funds these bots I don't know, but many twitter threads I've seen mentioning palestine have them in the hidden section.

No. 1865291

>>1865286
>Who funds these bots I don't know
Palestinian activists(derailing/infighting)

No. 1865328

>>1865260
>>1865269
I went to read on this story and it's absolutely horrific, and indeed an actual crime someone deservers to be "cancelled" over.

However, I'd argue the situation is much different when the artist in question is dead. Something similar happens with Micheal Jackson. While he's protected due to the fact that he's a man unlike MZB the fact that he's dead changes the conversation around his work significantly and has almost no effect on his legacy despite being a proven child molester.

From what little I could find online it's similar with MZB, people are mostly concerned with separating the art from the artist and still enjoying her books even while admitting she was a pedophile enabler and child molester herself. This simply isn't offered to cancelled artists who are still alive.

No. 1865357

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>>1865269
Here's the full story for anyone interested, I'm sure most people have never heard of the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America, They’re one of the main SFF tastemakers, founded by Damon Knight in 1965. They award the Nebula Prize, which, along with the Hugo, is the premier award for Science-Fiction and Fantasy authors.
Marion Zimmer-Bradley, was central to the SFWA clique and even was on the board in the 70s. at that time MZB her work was considered instrumental in lesbian and feminist fantasy literature, she was also a founder of the Society for Creative Anachronism, which is a major LARP group. MZB’s husband was the “Grand Master” of Creative Anachronism(a space often filled with children)
her husband was the subject of a letter called “The Breendoggle” in which the Berkely SFF crowd debated what to do about his frequent "incidents". her husband was eventually arrested and convicted for this. His daughter Moira, was one of his accusers. Moira has made it clear that MZB, and her step-mother and everyone in that clqiue knew what he did and either just ignored it or actually tried to help him. It was public knowledge. It was a network of fucked up people.

here's a list of people who were involved in the scene at that time and likely knew
>Samuel Delaney - another “Grand Master”. He’s the author of Dhalgren, a shitty porno scifi novel, as well as some of the most depraved pornography literal imaginable.
>Ed Kramer, SFWA alum, founder of Dragon-Con, and Nebula host, is also a convicted child abuser. He was vigorously defended in this by other notable SFWA alums.

No. 1865428

>>1859670
The fangirls are absolutely deranged . Never a dull moment
Love them (they scare me)

No. 1865430

>>1864965
I feel like at this rate she deserves her own thread. I have no idea what you mean by the Hugo awards
How long do you think it’ll take for her fans to eat her uo

No. 1865433

>>1865263
Because some people noticed they got shadow banned after talking about Palestine

No. 1865436

>>1864591
He deserves it. Man has no principles and slaves after tumblr politics uncritically. Which wouldn’t be embarrassing, if not given his age

No. 1865443

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>>1865328
I agree - when the author is dead, the reigning debate is usually of reconciling the artist as a person from their legacy, not whether “cancellation” is appropriate. But I think another key distinction is that the total collapse of the boundary between creator and fan, which is responsible for the trigger-happy nature of modern fans, is a recent development within the last two decades that didn’t exist in those creators’ heyday.

>>1865357
>several other moids in the SFF scene implicated as pedos
>MZB was a member of their pedo network
>MZB was complicit in covering up her husband’s crimes
Geez, why am I not surprised? I notice that oftentimes public female figures who do harm to people (especially other women or their children) - and thus irrevocably deserve public outrage - are usually part of a “boys’ club” that makes them the worst enablers of men. Also didn’t MZB not consider herself a feminist? The NLOG “I’m just one of the boys” attitude would explain how she reconciled her pro-woman activities (writing female-centric stories) while internalizing and enabling the very worst behaviors of the men around her.

Side note, but I notice that female public figures who do things as heinous as men like child abuse are often pickmes, NLOGs or handmaidens. This makes perfect sense when you consider their thought process: NLOGs/pickmes/handmaidens believe that they are the exception to male supremacy. They’re huffing the copium, convincing themselves that men will allow them a modicum of power as long as they play by the men’s rules. The successful ones will support the men around them to preserve their own status and social capital, to the detriment of other women. This is the tradthot/tradwife raison d'être - that being pretty and subservient is enough to protect them from moids. But the NLOG copium mindset is ubiquitous all the way up to the highest echelons of society. They’re non-fandom examples, but think Ghislaine Maxwell and Amy Chua. All of this isn’t to say women aren’t capable of evil deeds of their own accord - it’s just that women who harm other women and children often do it in the context of considering their own status in a male-controlled hierarchy.

No. 1865469

>>1865443
>Also didn’t MZB not consider herself a feminist? The NLOG “I’m just one of the boys” attitude would explain how she reconciled her pro-woman activities (writing female-centric stories) while internalizing and enabling the very worst behaviors of the men around her.
The SFWA was meant as a progressive/less-restrictive alternative to mainstream sci-fi and fantasy organizations. Many second-wave feminists took part in it. One of the cornerstones of feminist literature, the "female man," was endorsed by SFWA. While there were feminist books, there were also weird sci-fi and fantasy books that catered to pedophilia. Marion Zimmer fit herself into feminist circles quite well because she had a lesbian lover and talked about how most people were just naturally gay.

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>>1865357
I'm not exaggerating when I say that these group of degenerates literally shaped fandom tastes for decades. like its hard to overstate how much influence these people have had over genre fiction and “fandom”. and they all looked out each other other, for e.g just one of Samuel Delaney infamous books(which features a prepubescent getting raped contiously) was defended by this community, any criticism against their work was branded as conservative reactionaries

>Despite the book's infamous reputation, several respected authors have given it their endorsement. Norman Mailer, for instance, said "There is no question that Hogg by Samuel R. Delany is a serious book with literary merit."[10] J. G. Ballard, prolific speculative fiction author and elder statesman of transgressive literature, also praised Delany's work, citing the medium of pornography as being the "most political form of fiction."[11]

>Author Dennis Cooper said in his collection Smothered in Hugs: Essays, Interviews, Feedback, and Obituaries that "Hogg is tiresome and indulgent" and that the "pace is molasses-slow". However, he also goes on to say that "the book is a highly charged object…[and] that's reason enough to recommend it." In the preface to a later edition of "Smothered in Hugs," Cooper writes, "I now think Samuel Delany's "Hogg" is a great novel, and I don't know why I didn't realize that upon first reading."[12]
>Jeffrey A. Tucker, associate professor of English at the University of Rochester, comments in his critical study A sense of wonder: Samuel R. Delany, race, identity and difference that Hogg "gave expression to the author's hostility toward a heterosexist society, an anger that had no socially constructive outlet prior to the modern Gay Rights movement

Shit like this is why I have some sympathy with pizzagate types, cause if shit like this gets published and by praised by literarily world, then it's not an unrealistic conclusion to think that the world is a run by satanic pedophiles.

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No. 1865499

>>1865495
>>1865496
lmao of course dennis cooper said "it sucks but there's pedophilia in it so read it". any author who prides themselves on being 'transgressive' is 99% of the time a pedophile, or an edgelord who wishes he was a pedophile for clout.

No. 1865518

>>1865496
This reminds me of Bastien Vivès, a comic book artist in France who's most likely an actual pedo instead of just being a "regular" lolicon and shotacon according to some of his old posts on the Catsuka forum and who's praised for his art style and 2deep4u narration or whatever. He's mostly known for his work on Lastman last year he was invited for the Angoulême festival, a big comic event in France, and a lot of people heard about how deranged he is and how some of his officially published comics involve kid characters in explicit sex scenes which means that these comics are potentially illegal over here. You seriously had critics describing his oneshota comic about a little boy getting molested by a bunch of women because he has a huge dick as being 2deep4u, telling an actual story, it's about becoming an adult, etc. The common nerds who heard about it were appalled, especially when his posts from the forum about liking 12yo real girls were reposted but I don't know what happened to him after that. I'm sure his career is doing just fine.

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>>1865518
>look him up
he looks exactly the type of man who molests children.

No. 1865544

>>1865542
kek you're right, he's so ugly I avoided posting a picture on purpose.

No. 1865551

>>1865469
I see, it seems like she was content to hang out with feminist circles even if she expressed disdain for the prevailing feminist thought of her time.
>While there were feminist books, there were also weird sci-fi and fantasy books that catered to pedophilia.
Why am I not surprised that an “alternative” org that doesn’t restrict weirdos also attracts degenerate males? The “we must be inclusive of all people different from the mainstream” mindset that you see in a lot of fandom (particularly SFF and furry fandom) is a breeding ground for degenerate men. The pro side of the pro/anti discourse also adheres to the “we must irrevocably accept all weirdos” mindset which is why you see modern-day NAMBLA advocates grouped with women who like edgy fanfic. Alas, women have nothing to gain from sharing spaces or allying themselves with these kinds of men.

No. 1865555

>>1864679
Miranda Sings?

No. 1865570

>>1865551
If you examine the history, it was less about progressivism and more about focusing on raunch. The original creators simply aimed to portray sexual scenarios, but publishers with some common sense tole them to reduce the explicitness if it didn't contribute significantly to the storyline and if it needed to be depicted negatively. As a result, they formed their own network where they supported each other, to get their questionable content published. The "progressive values" angle only began to emerge in the 1960s, which also attracted feminists (including one of my previously favorite writers, Jessica Amanda Salmonson), but unfortunately, it also drew the attention of degenerate pedophiles

No. 1865572

>>1864726
toby fox lived in andrew hussie's basement and worked on homestuck music, he probably had some idea kek

No. 1865598

>>1865555
>allegations of “grooming” turns out to be her oversharing and sending cringy inappropriate messages in a group chat with fans
>immediately canceled, accused of being racist, a predator, the whole shebang
Yeah, she’s a cow for getting too up close and personal with her fans but this sounds more like her being a cow and having zero personal and professional boundaries, not peck behavior.
>>1865570
>As a result, they formed their own network where they supported each other, to get their questionable content published.
Classic scrote behaivor, creating professional networks to support each other so they can propagate their coom material.

No. 1865616

>>1864591
Play with fire, get burnt. Good thing you pandered to all those troons, eh, Rick? All those loyal xe/theys calling you a Zionist Nazi sure appreciate your efforts to include flags of all genders in your work.
>>1864625
>>1864633
They won't go away, they're like beggars who ask for change for the bus please please some change please a penny for the bus pleaseeeeeee. The best thing to do is not interact with anyone at all. The more terminally retarded gendies pretend to be normal to weasel their way into friendship, or at least a private chat, and start their deranged begging and whinging when they know they have your attention. Posting on a schedule with all means of communication blocked is the only way a woman can make art without being dogpiled for not drawing two-dicked purple elf trannies with alopecia and club feet.

No. 1865620

>>1865555
>>1865598
friendly reminder turkey tom called miranda sing a predator for being cringy and innapropiate, but defended Dream, a 22yo at the time, sexting with a 17yo.

No. 1865643

>>1864591
>tmw I always thought that Riordan was a bad writer and his books were shit but now wishywashy zoomers are just now "cancelling" him

No. 1865727

>>1864591
Unfortunately it isn't big enough or gaining traction
What a shame I really wanted to see the wokies going "uhm acktually he was always a shit writer and overhyped"

No. 1865751

>>1865643
I kinda went throught it with JKR, not that I think she's a bad writer, I just hated the people who acted as if she was objectively the best writer ever just because they loved HP and never read anything else. One time I made an offhand comment about HP, in my mind I was just mokcing a classmate for having infantile taste, but the people around me took it as a diss towards JKR for being a political pariah evil terf, teaches me to not be mean to classmates.

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>>1864598
Idk if anons who praise conservatards are legitimately stupid and will trust a moid for being anti-tranny or if it’s something more sinister. Saw an anon praise Nick Fuentes as a champion of women’s rights the other day

No. 1865773

>>1865769
Maybe that anon counts cat boys as women.

No. 1865774

>>1865769
We have unironic tradthots in our midst these days, i wouldn't be surprised by anything anymore.

No. 1865777

>>1865769
>Nick Fuentes as a champion of women’s rights the other day

KEK WHAT that's so embarrassing.

>>1865773
Can someone please explain the catboy thing. I heard that he went on a date with one? or am I remembering it wrong…

No. 1865787

>>1865518
Why are so many of the biggest degens and coomers from France?

No. 1865788

>>1865769
A nonna long ago bragged about how her nigel would punch holes in walls whenever there was TRA discussion. I really don't understand how nonnies can't see how these scrotes want to oppress them too.

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Has there ever been a character like Toji where the men clearly want to be him (compression shirts became popular because of him, saw a few guys wearing pants similar to the one he wears at the gym) while the women just lust over them or vice versa.
Also what about characters that definitely influenced trends one way or the other (again like Toji). I know that the egirl trend was highly influenced by anime and to some degree tumblr art

No. 1865812

>>1865805
I'd say DMC3 Dante had that effect but honestly i don't know how much moids were into him because i was too young and sheltered.
Speaking of physical goals, it's not like i started seeing shirtless guys more often but the fact that there seemed to be a decent size of moids cosplaying a character that looks like him, i guess it set some goal, even if i don't think that back then they would put as much effort as attention starving moids nowdays.

No. 1865816

>>1865805
i find this repulsive, the bar is so low nowadays

No. 1865817

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>>1865805
He is hot but he was always dressed like a slob imo kek. Maybe that’s why moids want to look like him so much. Not that I’m complaining. I like a confident man in a sweatsuit and slides.

No. 1865821

>>1865812
Yeah i’m 75% sure the gym rat trend has a chokehold on men on social media because of Toji (ft, black compression shirts) “goal body”

No. 1865822

>>1865616
>The only surefire way for a female artist to draw whatever she pleases without external pressure is to cut off all forms of communication and effectively be silent.
If this isn’t a blackpill, then idk what is. You can’t draw GNC women or lesbians lest you incur the wrath of troons who will demand you to draw futa and mastectomy scars. You can’t draw fujoshit or else invite the scrutiny of Aydens and puriteens. You can’t unapologetically draw hot/cute boys without offending some Ayden or pickme. It’s no coincidence that the subject free from mass scrutiny is drawing moid gaze coomshit.

On top of that, historically speaking fandom is an inherently social activity. Humans are social creatures, so the social aspect is one of the most rewarding and fulfilling parts…or at least it used to be. The fact that women must relinquish the social aspect to protect themselves shows how female unfriendly fandom has become. Some people don’t mind posting their content silently, but gone are the days when you could casually interact with other users on social networks and not think twice about the interaction.

No. 1865828

>>1865816
>>1865817
I didn't watch JJK, i can like any kind of 2d moid but there is something in him that makes him the most attractive to me on a surface level kek.
I was always confused by his clothing choice but honestly i think it fits him? I don't know him and i guess that the series is set in modern times, but i think he looks better in whatever his fit is than anything else, my only complaint is that even the colors are plain.

Did it really take 30+ years of anime and shonen for weeb moids to finally be autistic about their bodies and go to the gym

No. 1865830

>>1865828
His face is ugly to me. He's only attractive to moids because it has a neanderthal face rather than an attractive pretty boy face.

No. 1865833

>>1865830
I actally like his face, sucker for a sanpaku face though. Anime faces too pretty just blend together to me.

No. 1865835

>>1865833
that's fine, i am just explaining why moids like him. They see him as non-threatening. They dont have to have attractive faces or good hygene or good fashion choices like with yume husbando characters, they just can hit the gym and become a roidpig slob like him. Its a safe horny character, like most shonen characters.

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>>1865830
ayrt, sorry for tojifags in advance, i see what you mean and he is quite unconventional especially when you compare him to the other characters, even just in term of clothes, but he makes me a bit nostalgic because sometimes his face looks like picrel kek, sorry for derailing with something this retarded

No. 1865844

>>1865833
I agree. So tired of the same cookie cutter faces. Looking unconventional is enough for me these days; even more so if he looks like a scumbag kek

No. 1865851

>>1865031
Nobody here likes Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss or whatever. Stop embarrassing yourself by thinking that calling out the double standard of male vs female creators means nonas here like the Vivzieverse or w/e it's called.

No. 1865911

>>1865851
some nonnies have severe lack of reading comprehension, that or they are blinded by their seething hatred towards vivzie.

No. 1865990

>>1865833
Outside of his physique, men like him because he's strong in the show.
>>1865805
For some reason JJK struck a gold mine when it comes to having characters that men like and women find attractive. For Gojo, I've even seen straight men go insane over him kek. What did they put in this show? Crack?

No. 1866004

>>1865990
I think it's due to having a semi-realistic art-style, where the characters are visibility strong and attractive, but with in the realm of human possibility.

No. 1866006

>>1866004
This. The art style is different than your typical anime. Comes off more adult-like than child-like. The men look like men.

No. 1866018

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>>1864591
A bit related and I posted this before, regardless of how you feel about either Riordan and JK Rowling, there's this trend in YA literature to recreate their successes with more diverse characters/setting., 'Harry Potter/Percy Jackson but' books - PJ but based on Indian mythology, HP but set in a Korean boarding school, PJ but based on African American mythology e.t.c. They all get hyped on BookTok. The first book does okay, and two more sequels are ordered, but literally no one cares because everyone only pretended to like the fist one. They never understand what made Harry Potter and Percy Jackson good in the first place. They only take surface-level tropes and try to apply them to their POC and/or queer characters, and they think they deserve an equal amount of fame, both Harry Potter and Percy Jackson didn't come from this mindset. The genres JK Rowling was most familiar with were mysteries and thrillers, same with Rick Riordan. When his dyslexic son showed interest in Greek mythology, he wrote a book for him by doing her own research on greek mythology and also trying to make it fun for his other children.

No. 1866081

>>1865830
Moids don’t care about his face lol, they just want the same body as him
The toki fangirls on the other hand, what’s your explanation

No. 1866083

>>1866006
Is it actually different??
>>1865990
yeah exactly, i need an autistic breakdown of why that is. I guess art style is one step but it’s not an entirely original art atyle

No. 1866092

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>>1865817
That second outfit (the one on the right) is so lame, too basic.
The first outfit with the wide pants is more interesting

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>>1865821
>>1865828

I think the closest might be Beserk and Vegabond

No. 1866097

>>1866018
I'm not personally as well versed in the world of YA but I've always found the trend of "x, but make it y" so broke and boring. And you always had to pretend to like it, because why wouldn't you like the same piece of media but BETTER (but lower quality, and without its own legs to stand on etc etc) And it makes sense I guess as to why media is like this nowadays. No actual understanding of cliches, dynamics, prompts, etc. much less what actually makes them interesting and work in a plotline. No, not just them being cool to read or look at, what actually makes them good plot devices. What was good about a story so that you can replicate that magic instead of copypasting it and demanding people like it? We had this discussion upthread already but man, I really do not get representation media and this overpowering need to be represented. Maybe I'll never get it.

No. 1866099

>>1866081
yeah thats exactly my point >>1865835 men would never try to become link or enstar/genshin/ouran pretty boys characters because thats ''gay''. A ugly buff angry man with weird face is something they can ''achieve'' without it threatening their insecurities. All shonen protagonist are just moid power fantasies, i dont know why anons are acting surprised moids want to be some roidpig looking guy lol.

No. 1866113

>>1866097
I mean “take x but make it y” can be good (eg watchmen) that’s how you end up with new sub genres but if it’s just “take HP and make it Indian (and worse)” then why bother when I can just read the original because quite frankly reading “HP but make it Indian” only exists so westernised Desis can go “omg I also have that at home!”

No. 1866119

>>1865787
There are degenerates everywhere but they're especially protected in France. I could make you a list of celebrities who are rapists or pedophiles here and I'd worry about forgetting many of them. Mind you, Roman Polanski still has his career here.

No. 1866137

>>1866113
>“take HP and make it Indian (and worse)”
If it's constructive or inventive it can be really good obviously like you mentioned, so I completely agree, that's exactly what I meant. I'd almost say, wouldn't it appear to be much better to actually learn how to write and learn why the stories are good in the first place to make a well thought out Indian wizarding world universe, but then I stopped to think for a while, and maybe this is just what sells copies unfortunately. I'm not in YA at all but the discourse and arguments around the whole industry fascinate me.

No. 1866144

>>1866137
I wonder how many more original works we would have had without tumblr
Seriously the effect of tumblr is staggering at times

No. 1866153

>>1866113
watchmen is meant as a deconstruction of superhero genre and a commentary on the cold war.

No. 1866154

What do you do when you know you have a past that would be considered "problematic"? I want to try to use SM more to generate more business, but I know as much as I've scrubbed of what edgy shit I made when I was younger, fandom is hellbent on things that are no longer considered acceptable.

No. 1866158

>>1866154
what did you do

No. 1866169

>>1865787
Pedophilia is seen as an act of rebellion there. The french new wave of the 70s, and the philosophies of the 50s were supposed to be a total reject of America's ""prude"" cultural influence, like safe cowboy media. They have no sexual morality at all, and I don't mean oh you gotta stay virgin until marriage etc., like cheating is open and common there.

No. 1866180

>>1866154
I think you'll be ok if you just go "i used to be an edgelord, i'm very embarrassed over it now". People only truly get cancelled if they LET other people cancel them. Don't make long posts about how truly sorry you are and that you need time to reflect over past action etc, just a simple statement like "yeah i was cringe back then lol" and that's it. And that's only needed if someone finds out about the past.

No. 1866181

>>1866158
Made a lot of comics as a teenager with jokes that are off-white / considerably offensive as well as shipping art of series considered as "bad" now (IE: certain anime). I don't stand by it anymore, I was just a dumb kid having fun and I wasn't aware of some of the things I made being offensive until I got older, but seeing people get 100 page writeups for the stupidest shit worries me even if I'm a literal who

No. 1866185

>>1865620
Didn't the entire Dream shit get cleared up anyway? And if Tom really thought there were no issues with that kind of behaviour he wouldn't have been so hard on YandereDev who didn't even get into a relationship with the minor in question

No. 1866189

>>1866181
Doesn’t matter if someone is hellbent on hating you they’ll find a way to smear you.
Just don’t grovel and beg for forgiveness, that never works.
At least that’s what I learned from my time here.

No. 1866190

ngl I'm tempted to read JJK because of all the hot guys in it but some anons said the manga is getting worse, and the hot guys I'l refering to keep dying left and right.

No. 1866191

>>1866181
After you've whipped yourself live on camera in penance for your shipping sins and washed the wounds in salt, you send your life savings to trans charities and put your full name, address and face online so the retards you associate with have an easier time doxing you if they don't like the 2,000 page apology you're obviously going to post. Thought crimes are srs bsns.
If that sounds like a pain, you could always make a totally new account with no links to anything you've done before, a brand new name, a password you've never used, don't post anywhere you used to, don't use the same art style, start fresh.

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>>1866099
By anime standards he’s not ugly. He has a smooth face, perfectly placed scar,
Compared to say the menin JJBA or say Askeladd from Vinland saga or Luffy from One Piece
The only moid appealing thing is his body.
Kind if reminds me if kpoopie/korean webtoon men and usually that’s how a lot of his fanart from fangirls looks like
Should also mention Maki has a similar effect to Toji but on women
Honestly the fandom is unhinged(integrate)

No. 1866196

>>1866192
>Kind if reminds me if kpoopie/korean webtoon men and usually that’s how a lot of his fanart from fangirls looks like
NTA but I think I figured out why I can't find this character attractive kek. Can't stand those art styles.

No. 1866212

>>1865805
I personally hate him because he is a freeloader, a bad dad and he's the kind of guy IRL who would only talk about going to the gym and having a carnivore diet, I really don't get his appeal aside from his body type (and I prefer skinny guys anyway).

No. 1866220

>>1866154
No idea. I have an edgy, "problematic" past myself as well from way, way back when I was a imageboard-grown NLOG teen but seeing how people will literally dig for tweets from over 10 years ago it doesn't matter that I've been a normal, drama-free person for basically a decade and was actually shocked to look back on my old posts and see what kind of ignorant drivel I had been saying all those years ago and how much I bullied people just to feel better about myself and to impress my friends like the pathetic kid I was. I also used every imaginable slur in the book because didn't really consider their weight and just thought they were "funny", but try explaining that to people who have a personal vendetta and finally found a way to get rid of your ass for good, like >>1866189 said. Some people will always have it out for you and you sort of have to accept it, just look at the obsessive nitpicking people do in /snow/.

I feel the more "successful" influencer apologies consist of being open and honest about it and saying that they've since become a better person and people will usually forgive you, especially in this era where everyone has been cancelled at least once and it's been done to death. Nobody really cares anymore unless you've done something exceptionally bad and it's fairly recent (i.e. less than 5 years ago) because everyone is in fear of their past misdeeds coming to the surface. There's not a single person who doesn't have a few skeletons in the closet and at least one person who knows about it.

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>>1866154
>>1866191
>don't use the same art style
To add onto what this anon’s saying here, it may be of benefit to you to look over your old art, if you have access to it. Figure out what makes it distinctive, the small stylistic choices you made. This is important if you don’t want to accidentally draw something too similarly to how you used to draw it. If your old art has your handwriting too, try and change that as well, or avoid it entirely. Depending on how long it’s been, your art and penmanship may already be quite different than what they used to be. Learn from the mistakes of artcows like Puppychan and DestinytoMoon who tried and failed at rebranding due to their art being much too similar to their older works. I’m not saying this will be foolproof but it’s worth an attempt, especially if you don’t particularly like your old style anyways.

No. 1866263

>>1864659
That's because their audiences might be progressive but not radical or extreme. They're mostly center leaning left. And also males in fandoms usually care about things like Halo, Star Wars, Warhammer, Overwatch and they can also be quite autistic about them, also starting drama but different kind.
I think I figured it out actually. The reason the gooseshit's and viz's fandoms are so bad is because theyre full of people who are very autistic about their interests. And by autistic I don't mean actual autism, but just borderline obsessed with those things. The people who watch those male YouTubers aren't probably living and breathing that YouTuber. They have a life.

No. 1866305

>>1866154
the more you run away from it the more schizos online will chase you because they know it bothers you. I've been cancelled multiple times, had the wildest shit made up about me and my spouse, and my suggestion is to just shrug it off, and NEVER apologize. It's time for female artists to stand our ground

No. 1866309

>>1862957
This though. Why can't the genders be swapped? Where's the short goofy woman with her tall hot bf who laughs at all her jokes and can't take his eyes off her? Why should we keep pandering to loser men? It's a rhetorical question, I know the answer is fandom is overly misogynistic like any social group. But damn a woman can dream.

No. 1866311

>>1865643
I always hated the forced 'rivalry' between HP and the PJ books- I'm no HP fan, but they're perfectly fine reads for their age demographic, while even as a kid the PJ books fell flat for me and already felt pander-y and up themselves over it. The concept was blandly handled too, but maybe that's just because I'd already found better media that did the whole Greek god/demigod school idea in a way that was more fun to me, so I always found it irritating how aggressively some people would try to push it.

No. 1866314

>>1866212
He’s a gambler, dresses like a slob, eats like a slob, sold his own kid off for money, dead beat dad…dude is like the epitome of moid behavior. So of course he’s popular because he’s self-insertable with men.

>>1866190
This is true but I enjoy it. I enjoy the eye candy, even if they characters are irredeemable trash kek

No. 1866321

>>1865828
>Did it really take 30+ years of anime and shonen for weeb moids to finally be autistic about their bodies and go to the gym
dbz has spawned many a weeby gymrat in the decades it's been popular (I think almost any anime with a heavy emphasis on training/physical fitness can also motivate viewers to hit the gym, both men and women, even if the latter is less common)

No. 1866339

>>1866305
This. Don't ever cave. Putting out an apology is opening the door for these people to continuously harrass you, but if you show you're unbothered, they'll get bored and move on. Give an inch and they'll take a mile.

No. 1866345

>>1866309
The adorkable small woman with supportive big man size difference trope is already a thing some girls draw for cope all the time. Hell, even some wife-guys draw it. Every hetero thing under the sun already exists.

No. 1866356

>>1865805
i have never seen a single good looking jjk moid

No. 1866382

>>1866356
goyo is hot the rest are ugly asf. idk why women find geto so hot, hes mad ugly

No. 1866402

>>1866212
I don't watch jjk but it frightens me how many yume fics I've seen about this guy along those exact same things you just described. The only other character I've seen have this effect is Dabi from hero academia, I blame that one on why zoomer girls are having a fetish for abusive boyfriends.

No. 1866412

>>1866402
nah, if anything's to blame for that it's all the 'spicy' books that the booktubers/tokkers fawn over. Somehow grungy deadbeat toji still comes out ahead of a lot of the bookboyfriends (likely because they're outright abusive)

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>>1866402
"Incel headcanon/AUs" have been weird niche fetish for certain pro-shippers, it's this bizarre form of woobification, but where they also want a character to still be an smelly asocial loser who's kind of pathetic, yet still dangerous.
>>1866412
But those features mafia dons and CEOs, not fucking Incels. The first truly significant wave of Incel-headcons definitely started with Lacryboy's riddler, as well as the general ridder/paul dano popularity after the batman

No. 1866431

>>1866402
Was he an abusive bf? Dad sure, but I thought he was the type who hated everybody but loved his wife, only she's dead.

No. 1866432

>>1866402
>I blame that one on why zoomer girls are having a fetish for abusive boyfriends.
bad boys are as old as time nona, it's not really a zoomer thing. and it's just a general result of femsoc – an extension of the boys only bully girls because they have crushes on them comment (and similar such comments)

No. 1866434

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The thing is, you can use Incel headcanon as a versatile tool for a number of scenarios. of course, there's a woobification factor, where you've reduced a character to his most absolute pathetic state. Secondly, in whatever scenario you choose, you can have him be a misogynist who hates women so much that he starts having sex with men as a coping mechanism, either as a top or bottom. Additionally, you can have him go after women, and in both roles, he can be violent and unhinged or pathetic and have him easily crumble if someone starts fighting back. I'm not justifying it, but I understand why it's a thing

No. 1866438

>>1866432
Well of course, but in my times at least the appeal of a bad boy was being the one person he was nice to, right? Nowadays it seems the appeal is being brutalized by the bad boy which while more true to reality it doesn't sound like something you'd want to fantasize about.

No. 1866439

>>1866428
I hate this version of Riddler so much. I dont understand why they tried to basically make him the zodiac killer incel.

No. 1866449

>>1866431
I don't remember him doing much harm to his family/wives (can't remember if his son's mother was married to him or not) that wasn't being negligent/a deadbeat. Still shit, but the bar is on the floor for badboy types, and I think his messy family situation is part of the draw (instant drama/angst), aside from people just finding him hot.

What gets me is how big his fanbase is for what is essentially a bit character with a vague (if complicated) history, you'd think he was in the show/manga as much as Gojo kek

>>1866438
this doesn't account for everyone, but I think for some that escalation remains exciting/enticing because they live a very safe life/haven't had to encounter anything similar in reality. Which is obviously a good thing, but idk, it can make awful situations as fantastical as dragons to some people. Plus there's also the usual escalation of nicer badboys who treat you right just not cutting it anymore, until eventually he has to never have heard of a boundary before and isn't about to learn, wants to keep you in a locked room, and plans to cannibalise you or something.

No. 1866452

>>1866190
The manga isn't that bad, I feel like much of the hate is unwarranted. People see the fights and assume that there's no substance, I am not trying to suggest that it's the "deepest manga in the world" by any means, but it's not just a slap fight with no thoughts manga. I would read it and see if you like it or not. At first, I thought it would be a generic manga that goes through a million arcs with no stakes, but it surprised me a fair bit.
>>1866431
No, he loved his wife. She just died and her death made him give away his son.
>>1866434
I hate how they insist on representing Paul Dano like some anime boy, as if he's not a balding, fat 40-year-old man.

No. 1866456

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>>1866097
>I really do not get representation media and this overpowering need to be represented.
it's really nice to see characters that resemble you, that's it. maybe you're represented everywhere already (white perhaps?) so you don't care, but yes it matters to some people. like i'm black and i absolutely adored picrel because she's……really one of the only black female characters i can think of who takes on a similar role…she's a cool, kind of scheming political diplomat who doesn't also have to give a loooong speech on how tough it is to a Black Woman in a White Man's society, she just exists. feels like the writers weren't so concerned with making her black, she's just a character. that happens to be black

not sure if this makes sense kek, but ironically representation media makes me feel less represented. i don't want to say witty twitter lines i want to just exist

No. 1866460

>>1866452
I read the manga but dont keep up with fandom opinion on it at all, what's got people hating it? I can't say I'm having the best time with the current arc, but overall the manga does have some neat aspects, especially considering that it's a battle shounen. Reminds me of older supernatural shounens from like the 2000s sometimes.

No. 1866463

>>1866456
Nta, but I'm not represented in anything ever but idc. I genuinely don't understand why is that a thing. It seems to be specifically an American thing. I can enjoy any character from any background if I like their back story, motivation, goal(s), and personality.

No. 1866465

>>1866460
>what's got people hating it?
GAYGAY FAGutami can't write for shit. Killing off everyone just for the hell of it. There is no impact to the deaths if everyone dies

No. 1866466

>>1866456
Yeah when I saw that Korean artist drawing really high quality butch lesbian art I was amazed at how nice it feels to see people like you actually being represented when you don't conform to the norm and are constantly reminded by the society around you how you don't matter enough to have the stories of your kind told.

No. 1866468

>>1866456
NTA but I 100% support things like that ("characters who happen to be X" over "X characters"), but I noticed fandom has turned "representation" to be the be-all end-all of social acceptance which leads to caring more about what boxes new media checks and not the quality. I think it gets slightly reactionary to act like it's bad or unimportant but it gets exhausting how people just want to look progressive instead of having actual diverse characters (which includes personality, motive, design, not just race/sexuality/disability/etc.).

No. 1866469

>>1866460
AYRT They're in the final arc now and people are dying. People think the author is wasting character arcs, but I don't mind it. He's killed some fan favorites already, but it makes sense to me because I would call the main villain weak if he didn't at least kill somebody in the end of a fighting manga. Plus, I prefer it when mangas actually have the guts to kill people as opposed to them keeping everyone around. But maybe I'm biased because I prefer seinen to regular shounen.

No. 1866477

>>1866463
>I genuinely don't understand why is that a thing
i see. would you be happy if all female characters in media were either princess peach or jessica rabbit? would you like them, or enjoy them? probably not, yeah?

that's kind of how representation works, someone looking like (you) makes you like them more, or at least forms some passive baseline of connection that draws you in. if (you) specifically do not feel that way then cool! but it's literally baked into human dna to trust and gravitate towards "your people". also see >>1866466.

>>1866468
>which leads to caring more about what boxes new media checks and not the quality.
this is true and it's a good thing that basically nothing these types pretend to care for gets off of the ground…this was discussed earlier in the thread so i won't get into it now

No. 1866478

>>1866456
I agree with you. The only people that get bent out of shape about representation are certain known that see themselves on tv all the time, but it's very important. I dont expect places like asia to bend over, but america needs it. We are supposed to be a mixing pot, yet I only see one type of man or women on tv. It's just sad because I remember watching movies from the 90s and early 2000s that just had characters who were black or asian or latina and it was nice seeing them. I'd rather have well written female characters who happen to be 'x race' instead of a character made just to be black, etc. It's exhausting.

No. 1866479

>>1866465
kek thank you nona

>>1866469
I haven't had a problem with any of the deaths exactly either, more so the general pacing and I feel like this final arc is really suffering from the author not including more school shit ('this is how magic works' type stuff) or worldbuilding earlier so there's a lot of exposition dumps that could have been avoided/had better foundations, making some fights smoother. I always knew it would end messy though, especially concerning the main villain/s, and because the author was always insistent on jjk not being a long-running shounen

No. 1866496

>>1866456
AYRT, and I get what you mean. It's hard to come off over text but I didn't mean it in a dismissive way, more in a way that it's a feeling I don't have and therefore can't understand, despite being a minority in several aspects. Thank you for explaining it to me, genuinely actually. I've always chalked it up to me registering as a zero in my head, like I'm an omnipotent ghost entity watching things in the third person watching a scene unfold in a detached sense of self, so maybe this 'need' never blossomed in me even as a child. Or maybe it's because I've always wanted dolls that looked different than me out of possible self hatred, I'm not american and perhaps already feel represented ethnically just by living in my country, etc etc.

But regardless, based taste in character. As someone who's 3 years sober off of league of legends now I didn't expect riot of all companies to handle a black female character correctly, but let's see if they can live up to the insane hype of season 2. I hope they set an example on how to make a character that is cool and just happens to be x race instead of what shoddily passes for "muh rep" virtue signaling quota filling these days.

No. 1866497

>>1866456
I like seeing a variety of characters but not really for representation/"seeing myself" reasons, just that it's more interesting that way. Imo mainstream media being obsessed with the concept of representation has led to some shittily written stuff, like how upthread all people care about is "HP but the mc is [insert minority group]" and it just feels like a gimmick. Arcane is a pretty good example of having a diverse cast without any of them feeling like they were shoehorned in for virtue-signaling purposes though.

No. 1866519

>>1866314
>>1866452
tbh I tend to just read manga blindly to avoid having specific expectation and getting disappointed. I know I shouldn't expected a masterpiece from a Shonen Jump manga, as long as it's fun, not too long and not an inconsistent mess it should be fine. I'll add JJK to my list of manga to read later, my only real issue is that it's not finished yet, and since it's a successful Shonen Jump series, I'm worried it could become too long later.

No. 1866527

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>>1866097
>>1866099
>>1866113
Me with each book/comic that reeks of Persepolis/Hades's "cute girl make a bad moid find love". RM Virtues even did a version called "Drag Me Up" where Hades is a Black casino owner and Persephone is a trans Black aerial dancer. Can't someone do a book where Demeter, instead to cry for her girl being kidnapped by Hades, go to him and beat his ass out?

No. 1866545

>>1866527
>Hades is a Black casino owner and Persephone is a trans Black aerial dancer
Do people actually read this shit or is it only hyped up for brownie points? These Hades/Persephone remakes don't even look like they incorporate Greek mythology in any meaningful way. It's basically shorthand for "age gap porn with bad boy old man and innocent coquette girl" but trying to look cultured and inspired.

No. 1866553

>>1866545
>It's basically shorthand for "age gap porn with bad boy old man and innocent coquette girl"
Blame Rachel Smythe / Lore Olympus for unleashing this plague onto popular culture.

No. 1866558

>>1866477
First anon, I guess it's because I hate the people I belong to, so I'd feel embarrassed if I saw a character that's supposed to be one of "us". But I don't see how a characters race dictates their personality and design? I'm referring to your jessica rabbit and prince peach example.

No. 1866579

>>1866527
>greek mythology
>but make it black and trans
How are people not exhausted by this?

No. 1866580

>>1866545
>Do people actually read this shit or is it only hyped up for brownie points?
>It's basically shorthand for "age gap porn with bad boy old man and innocent coquette girl"
I don't know who reads this either because who the hell wants to read a "girl"male get fucked when they're not explicitly looking for that kind of content? What even happened to gay or hetero categories anymore, you can just stick a tranny in and fuck up the whole tagging system. Oh, but nobody's allowed to complain about it of course.

No. 1866587

>>1866580
I assumed the trans part meant the Persephone girl must be a themby tif

No. 1866590

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>>1866545
>>1866527
The thing is, as someone who studied folklore and mythology, I really dislike how Greek mythology and religion are "twitterified" for consumption. These simplifications leads to a lot of misunderstandings about ancient religions among the general population. Greek religion by modern definitions had basically various sects, with different provinces having their own variations and additions to the pantheon of gods. Even individual gods had various forms and roles. For example, Aphrodite Areia was an early version of Aphrodite as a goddess of war, before she replaced some minor fertility goddesses and became solely associated with love.
The story of Hades and Persephone is another example. There is evidence to suggest that Persephone existed before Hades, and that the male custodian/ruler of the underworld was initially a deity named Zagreus.(the current theory is that Persephone was the queen of Hell and Zagreus was her son, but somewhere along the line his aspects were changed and he became Hades) but even Hades was established, different regional variations of the story depict Hades kidnapping Persephone or it being a more romantic gesture. Both versions can be considered equally valid. The important point is that Persephone has a story where she goes to the underworld and becomes the queen of the underworld. This story emerged naturally to explain the complexities of this patchwork faith that evolved from a synthesis of Indo-European and Semitic beliefs, stories, and traditions in different regions over time

No. 1866601

>>1866580
>>1866545
It's not about people enjoying black trans reimaginings. Its about beimg able to enjoy the plot without consequences. The more layers of queer and minority are laid over a story, the more degeneracy you can get away with without being cancelled. There's a reason why Lolita is universally uncomfortable for people but the movie Call Me By Your Name is exempt from criticism. When people wrote fanfics of Harry Styles being an abusive angsty criminal who dates a girl younger than him they were problematic and disturbing. Black trans age gap fanfiction is shielded from that same criticism despite being quite literally the same concept of an angst older weirdo holding a girl against her will until she Stockholmes herself into being in love with him

No. 1866623

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>>1866590
It feels like the infamous Cleopatra: Even Egypt itself said the tv show was wrong, but Smith went "nuh uh, is my show and I'll write it like I want". I understand being interested in another culture, but if you're going to do some crap, like picrel (ironically from the same author), wouldn't be better to ask to people from that culture what would or wouldn't work? Or probably they don't because they know their idea is wrong or they would have a big backslash.

No. 1866627

>>1866601
The difference is that Lolita is a book that clearly frames pedophilia as an awful thing and portrays pedophiles as the disgusting individuals they are, while 'call by your name' (judging by the movie) clearly romanticizes it and treats it like some pedophile's ideal fantasy.

No. 1866632

>>1866623
>trans achilles and patroclus
i'm fucking howling, they are so predictable

No. 1866638

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>>1866632
I even wonder if she's aware that Greeks would read her books and think "those United Statians and their lack of imagination".

No. 1866640

>>1866623
Again, I have to sperg about this. by the time the version of the Iliad we currently have was written down, the story had already been passed down for centuries, and Greek civilization had undergone significant changes. Furthermore, it underwent further modifications centuries later during the classical Greek era in Athens. As a result, we have this myth that was influenced by various cultures and civilizations. In the classical Athenian interpretation of the myth, so regarding Achilles and Patroclus it was expected that older men would likely engage in pederastic relationships, as it was normalized within their society, It wouldn't have happened when Achilles became an adult though.

No. 1866642

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>>1866640
There are tons of civilizations where older men would likely engage in pederastic relationship while leaving women for fornication and house chores, but now they have been so washed that people tend to ignore it for "we were here before (insert another civilization)". You would think in an era where Internet makes you easier to research for any culture, people wouldn't do shit like this, but here we are.

No. 1866643

>>1866321
You forgot to mention Captain Tsubasa making South American and European men absolutely autistic about football for the past few decades.

No. 1866648

>>1866642
>>1866638
>>1866623
i kind of want to read these just to see what level or retardation the author managed to achieve

No. 1866653

>>1866643
But… South Americans and European men ARE absolutely autistics about football even before Captain Tsubasa. The one thing the author/anime got wrong is how long the soccer field is, because a normal soccer field is 91.4-118.9m / 300-390ft in length, not 4000 m/13123.4ft.

No. 1866655

>>1866601
DA, I completely agree with the point you're making but people absolutely tore into Call Me By Your Name when the movie was out. People called it bad representation, problematic, it romanticizes an age gap instead of portraying it as creepy, said the author of the book was a straight guy (IDK if that's true but they said that).

No. 1866661

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>>1866653
Back then in the 90s kids who watched it were already into football, now we have professional football players saying they wanted to play it because of Captain Tsubasa kek. I don't know how to explain this phenomenon. It's like when girls long ago in France were so obsessed with pic related they decided to all learn volleyball en masse. Haikyuu just the genderbend version.

>because a normal soccer field is 91.4-118.9m / 300-390ft in length, not 4000 m/13123.4ft.

10 years old anime boys also tend to not be able to jump 5 meters into the air and do somersault while still 5 meters into the air to kick a ball so hard it explodes midair but hey, when there's a will there's a way.

No. 1866667

>>1866661
>Back then in the 90s kids who watched it were already into football, now we have professional football players saying they wanted to play it because of Captain Tsubasa kek.

I mean, yes, but South America and Europe are so heavy into football, everybody and their mom cried when Maradona passed away even if he was sick after his drug addiction era and also for Pelé. There might be some football players wanting to play for watching Captain Tsubasa, but others plays because they want to be like their senpai. IE: Zidedine Zidane admired Enzo Francescoli and learned everything from him and told him so in the River-Juventus Intercontinental Cup in '96.

No. 1866669

>>1866185
he commented on dream before it was either prove or disproven. He's super weird. He thinks a 17yo dating an adult is ok but draws the line at 16yos for some reason. He's probably dating some 17yo

No. 1866672

>>1866192
if you compare it to male chatacters made for and by women, he's ugly. He's a male power fantasy drawn by a moid, so he's never going to be ''women drawn pretty'', he's going to be safe horny for moids.

No. 1866673

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No. 1866678

>>1866181
>>1866220
kek it makes me laugh how both of you are saying ''uwu i said bad things but i HAVE CHANGED I DONT USE SLURS ANYMORE!!11!'' on lolcow of all places.

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>>1866667
You're right. It's really annoying actually. Lol Algeria lost against Mauritania yesterday btw, the butthurt was funny.

>>1866672
>he's going to be safe horny for moids.
I don't know JJK all that much but is he? If male fans talk about him looking him and make jokes about how they want to suck his dick and how they're gay for him sure (like with Dante or Solid Snake), but if they're just talking about wanting to be him then not really. On the other hand I've seen male fans saying crazy shit about Gojo and Geto, some even talking about mpreg and how gay for each other they are in a way that wouldn't seem out of place coming from your average fujoshi. It's actually pretty funny.

No. 1866687

>>1866402
50 shades, ddlg, twiligth, lana del rey, coquette and all that trash did irreparable damage to women's taste in men. Does anyone remember when literally every big romance movie targetted at young girls and women had an abusive moid love interest? I know bad boys have always been a thing, but those badboys were ''redeemed'' at the end, that was the appeal. These modern faggots are irredemable abusive towards the female character and they get a sad story tu justify why they are like that, while never changing for the better.

No. 1866688

>>1866434
what the fuck are you talking about kek. The JJK guy is not an incel, just a gymrat moid.

No. 1866692

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>>1866456
>tfw hispanic
>to americans you just look like this
no thank you i dont want representation from amerimutts who think every hispanic is mexican, brown, and looks like pic rel

No. 1866695

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>>1866684
I still remember all the butthurt for Argentina winning the Qatar 2022 and people said "they bought the cup". Right, a country where you cannot even buy bread can buy a cup???

Which leads me to think that infamous Washington Post about "Argentinians are so white, they do not reserve the cup". Argentina team is like this not because they only pick white people, is because they pick the ones that can play better than other Argentinian.

No. 1866696

>>1866688
I was not at all taking about JKK, just trying to explain the appeal of Incel head-canons.

No. 1866697

>>1866623
lmao this is so cringe. i dont think even gendies would want to read this.
>touch him & you d!e

No. 1866699

>>1866692
why is that little girl experiencing male pattern baldness?

No. 1866700

>>1866695
Americans are so incredibly selcentered. It's why i hate ''hispanic'' representation by americunts. I dont think i have ever seen hispanics represented as other than brown and mexican. We genuinely dont count as hispanics to them just because we are white and dont eat tacos lmfao.

No. 1866702

>>1866688
While that anon was talking about something else, it is funny that people clocked Toji as an abusive bf when he was one of those "fixed by a woman, destroyed by her being gone" types.

No. 1866704

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>>1866692
I still don't know how Natasha Kline made these designs and think "oh yes, this totally represent any Mexican-American kid! This is going to be amazing!". Not mention also the VA saying the "Spanish is a colonizer language" to add more gas to the fire.

>>1866700
I have even heard that some people in Texas do not believe that the Chile flag is older than theirs. I love my American friends, but makes me sad the self centered Americans are the louder.

No. 1866707

>>1866704
>those designs
why are americans obsessed with ugliness? why do they think anyone alive wants to look at ugly characters?

No. 1866711

>>1866707
I think is because in Mexican tv shows (or LatAm in general), pretty people are shown as successful while ugly people are shown as unsuccessful (see why Betty la Fea was quite popular). So now with woke artist wanting to show the "pretty in the ugly", they do these designs without thinking in the outcome. I swear those designs would pass as racist if was made by a white artist to mock Mexicans.

No. 1866712

>>1866601
>>1866627
17yo is also definetly less egregious than a 12yo, and its actually legal in italy.

No. 1866714

>>1866704
Why is far right girl looking like she's blushing while staring at one of her cousins?

No. 1866719

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>>1866684
Men make peepoo jokes all the time, they literally made gay porn a funny meme 4 times. Its funny how easy you can tell when a characters makes men uncomfortable vs when they are ''safe'' for them to joke around about how they want to ''fuck him''. Pretty men make moids absolutely seethe, this is why they get super angry and jealous at women liking bishies, kpoopies and pre 2010s teen pop stars like bieber. But they are okay with traps and these roidpig type shonen characters because they arent threatening. You can hit the gym and achieve roidpig jjk body, and you can fuck a femboy and ''not be gay'' because they are ''feminine'' and therefore below you. But they cant change their facial features to look like a pretty bishie and being stylish like them makes them gay according to their moid peers.

No. 1866727

>>1866719
>this is why they get super angry and jealous at women liking bishies, kpoopies and pre 2010s teen pop stars like bieber
From what I've seen recently it irl and online greatly depends on where these men are on normie to otaku scale. At that point I expect male otaku to not just be vaguely aware that fujoshi and yumejoshi will obsess over cute male characters, but to be surprised when there's no hot guy in a new successful franchise. Meanwhile the normies who only care about shonen manga (and Berserk) will either seethe hard when a cute male characters who's popular with female fans shows up or act as you said.

It can create funny situations where you have absolutely deranged nerds on twitter who spend 99% of their time watching anime about lolis and spending money on shitty gacha games vehemently defending the right of fujoshi and yumejoshi to shamelessly obsess over popular bishonen, it's super weird. Now there's also that manga, Kagurabachi or something, that some fans like but don't want to see it get canceled from lack of success so they're unironically begging fujoshi to draw and post art of the male characters making out to make other women want to read it. I wish I had screenshots right now.

No. 1866728

>>1866727
>It can create funny situations where you have absolutely deranged nerds on twitter who spend 99% of their time watching anime about lolis and spending money on shitty gacha games vehemently defending the right of fujoshi and yumejoshi to shamelessly obsess over popular bishonen
this has never happened

No. 1866735

>>1866728
That's why I said I wish I had screenshots. I've seen a few months ago some tweets made by this kind of guys about how they offended on behalf of fujoshi for some shitty American localization about how they tried to troon out a male character, not even because he's a trap and they like that, but because it was against the principles of yaoi or some shit. I've also seen these same guys talking about how American reviewers would always hate and slander JRPGs and male characters from JRPGs because they seem "gay" for being bishonen and how that's a sign that these American reviewers from the 2000s were homophobic in general, racist against Japan, and sexist again female video game fans, while also mentioning how Nomura doesn't deserve the backlash he always gets. I swear it felt like I landed in bizarro world or some shit because they're the same guys who definitely post on /v/ and always greenpost on fucking twitter of all websites yet they had the exact same arguments as us.

No. 1866749

>>1866735
those men arent angry on behalf of fujos/yumes they just want to own le evil sjws

No. 1866758

>>1866749
I think it's both at the same time when it comes to the localization thing when I'm talking about that specific case. They seemed sincere enough, unlike when they complain about whatever happened in the latest Guilty Gear although the situation was very different.

No. 1866761

>>1866704
I said this in the animation thread when the news broke out and I'll say it again, this entire fucking diaspora war could've been avoided if the author just explicitly stated this was specifically an US latino centric experience instead of trying to group all the diasporas together in with "ZOMG LATINX REPRESENTATION! AM I RIGHT MY AMIGXS??", and when criticized about the misspelling simply excusing it by saying the little girl is obviously not that good at spanish because she's obviously still in the process of connecting with her language and culture, instead of going on some retarded tirade about spanish being a colonizer language.

LATAM latinos and US latinos have vastly different tastes in what they actually want in media and in representation, I can speak from the perspective of someone from LATAM. Which is why when wokies try to group us two together it's always fucking disastrous because while they may 'pretend' to care, they're too idiotic to actually learn about the differing cultures and just see anything below NA as long south and central Mexico.

No. 1866769

>>1866704
They're repeating everything they did wrong with the proud family reboot, at this point I'm just assuming they're producing ragebait to get people talking about their shows so they go viral.

No. 1866810

>>1866761
Just a note: The one saying "Spanish is a colonizer language" was the VA of the main character, and she said that while, ironically, thanked in her IG how her Mexican grandparents worked hard to have a good life in USA.

I'm also from LaTam and seeing the drama over this >>1866695 made me rage quite hard.

No. 1866852

>>1866761
Real latinos dont want representation. Villanous doesnt have a single POC character and its made by a mexican dude kek.

No. 1866878

>>1866852
im also latina and i think its nice to see latino characters that arent janitors, cleaning ladies or drug dealers kek, even if the only latino thing about them is the name and a vague mention about it. what bothers me is when they get stereotypical, talking about "my abuelita" and cinco de mayo and tacos as if all of us were mexican, because of that i prefer characters with ambiguous nationalities.

No. 1866906

>>1866878
I'm also latina and I can count with my fingers how much representation my country had that wasn't about dictatorship or even certain people discovering their "slang" is the name of my country, so we cannot use it because it belongs to "them".

No. 1866913

>>1866878
the problem is that americans cant make hispanic characters that arent a stereotype. I dont think i have ever seen non poc hispanic representation outside of pic rel
>>1866906
how did ''chile'' became slang? i never understood it

No. 1866921

>>1866678
I know it's hypocritical of me, but I'm trying to eke a little more into art-space normiedom, lol. I still like to browse lolcow because it's one of very few places women can talk honestly without scrutiny.

Thanks for the insight, nonnas

No. 1866930

>>1866913
Because Chile sounds like "Chill". That's the reason.

No. 1866941

>>1866930
not chill, child. afaik.

No. 1866954

>>1866941
you're right.

No. 1867056

>>1866727
>>1866735
You tried to bring this up in a previous thread. There isn't any sort of affinity between male otaku and fujos and there never will be. Once in a blue moon, their interests might align with fujos' interests (like in the case of that yaoi manga that got transwashed) but they primarily care about sticking it to the SJWs so they can coom undisturbed. They couldn't care less about the sanctity of yaoi or female fujos' right to fangirl over bishies. As for Kagurabachi, even if there are one or two screenshots of someone wishing for a fujo fanbase to boost the series' popularity, the series' popularity has been a meme since day one. They probably saw a tweet about fujos carrying franchises like Gundam so "fujos are the backbone of major franchises" became a meme, which someone sarcastically quipped. If Kagurabachi became a fujo favorite, you'd have a thousand more shonentards whining about the braindead fangirls ruining their new favorite thing and how the male characters are totes not gay.

No. 1867090

>>1865551
>The “we must be inclusive of all people different from the mainstream” mindset that you see in a lot of fandom (particularly SFF and furry fandom) is a breeding ground for degenerate men. The pro side of the pro/anti discourse also adheres to the “we must irrevocably accept all weirdos”

look up geek social fallacies, the logic is omnipresent n those spaces

No. 1867115

>>1866113
>>1866137
>>1866144
>>1866527
it's just like their art. They have all these ideas for their OCs, but they lack fundamentals. They lack colour theory, perspective, composition and it looks like a mess. And when they attach their SJ politics, it comes off as ugly propaganda art. We know it's possible to make beautiful art of POC or gay people etc and make decent well-written stories for them too. But they are so blinded and it hurts to see the train wreck

No. 1867132

>>1866638
I have a feeling modern Greek people feel a sense of relief, being very glad to be Orthodox today

No. 1867135

>>1866695
>>1866700
>>1866704
I didn't even know this was a thing, holy shit SJWs are insane

No. 1867140

>>1866711
clashing cultural values. reliability has become a major value here, especially with certain celebrities. To any latinonnies, is colourism an issue? I've seen some talk on twitter but I don't know to go about with that.

No. 1867142

>>1866913
it's "child" spoken in an AAVE accent. Like when black church ladies "my sweet child". It had nothing to do with Chile, chilly, or anything like that

No. 1867162

>>1867056
nta but it's kinda true, though. If there were a law that banned all depictions of children in art and erotica of minors in non-sexual situations, it would really affect a few groups of people(lolicons, coomers and fujoshis). You may not have an affinity for the other, but you are on the same side, whether you like to admit it or not. It's similar to how people who make allegedly "feminist-owned porn" would be on the same side as typical degen male porn. We can all admit that the latter is much worse than the former, but if there were any sort of legislation targeting porn, they would end up on the same side at the end of the day(bait)

No. 1867163

i wonder how many vpns baitchama has gone through to spread her schizophrenic bait posts, very sad and pathetic

No. 1867173

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>>1866704
>>1866695
This reminds me of the current controversy. of the rebooting the prince of persia and depicting the protagonist (and seemingly most of the cast) as just straight up black. while there were africans in persian history, mostly as slaves, it is never stated. ironically, the older and more stereotypical games depicted persian more accurately by having a darker-skinned caucasian characters.

No. 1867174

>>1867173
Is this not the dreaded "cultural appropriation" that sjws love to burn people at the stake for?

No. 1867179

>>1867173
outside of the cultural-washing those graphics look super outdated, like something straight from the PS3

No. 1867192

>>1866678
Do you just use 2edgy boardspeak everywhere in your life? If someone would come up to me on social media and call me a niggertrannykikefaggot under their regular handle I would absolutely think they're a piece of shit. I know it's hard for most terminally online autists here to understand that most people want to respect social norms and not act like a chimp in normal company.

No. 1867194

>>1867192
My point is that they are just pretending to change, when they are still edgy imageboard users. I respect some who isnt afraid of throwing slurs more than someone who brags about changing and being better while still using the same slurs anonymously.

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No. 1867198

>>1866438
>Nowadays
not really. older shoujo manga used to filled with rape tropes that happened to the MC, otome games also had the self insert getting abused by love interests (remember the one where they would lock her in a cage?). 'bad boy' types were never nice to the protagonist/self insert. some of the ones from older series were honestly worse

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No. 1867206

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No. 1867208


No. 1867210

>>1867056
Well, this thread has anons calling null "based" because he hates trannies despite also hating women and enabling pedophiles. It's fascinating how people will ignore male scheming and degeneracy if they show a bit of acceptance.

>>1867162
No, women liking babyfaced anime twinks isn't the same as lolicon and women shouldn't fight that battle. We can't become attack dogs for men who try to pass their drawn child porn under the "but they're all minors we're in the same boat!!!11" clause, if a customs worker opened my package and saw that 16-year old anime boy getting railed I can guarantee they wouldn't think it's a child. Men know women are more apt at constructing good arguments while also seeming nonthreatening and being faithful to their morals so they're groveling at fujo feet trying to make them save their coom.(responding to bait and infighting)

No. 1867214

>>1867210
I never stated that the two were equally bad, just that, by virtue of their interests (smut), they fall into the same general sea, opposing any sort of legislation that would limit erotica or drawn pornography. So, what is there to be confused about?

No. 1867219

>>1867214
Because they don't fall into "the same general sea". Grouping in what fujos like and purebred male-catering lolicon and acting as if legislation would ever consider most twinky fujoshit as comparable is muddying the waters and memeing women into doing the heavy lifting for pedo male coom. The legislation regarding drawn child porn always concerns actual toddlercon levels of content that is undeniably depicting children with realistic anatomy clearly meant for pedos, not the "this character could be 15 or 25" kind or My hero academia doujins.

No. 1867221

>>1867219
Legally they would literally fall under the same jurisprudence though.

No. 1867227

>>1867221
No they don't. The law is usually written in the form of "person who is depicted to be under eighteen years" which is a blanket term to cover characters that are obviously children. In Canada where possibly the strictest legislation is in effect the only people that have been arrested over two decades have been men and after a house search authorities found actual child pornography on their computers so put two and two together. The "it's all the same in the eyes of the law!!!11" meme is full on gaslighting from moids, no judge will prosecute you over buying Jotaro yaoi even though he's 17.

No. 1867232

>>1867227
Jotaro is an extreme outlier. I'm talking more about the MHA characters who visibly look like teenagers. Also, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. I'm saying you're in the same sea of people who "get off" to erotica or drawn porn. It's a very big ocean. There are awful humans that should be executed and also innocent people. But they're still in the same ocean.

No. 1867234

>>1867232
Are you saying that fujos should fight moid battles because they both like smut or because lolicon men and fujos shipping teenagers are "technically sexualizing minors" so they're "in the same sea"? Because both are extremely stupid points to make and the exact kind of concern trolling men commit when they're trying to recruit women to cape for their porn, it's been seen time and time again in how all the proshipper communities got infested by them. Again, nobody will look at MHA doujins and get you arrested at the airport unless they're specifically made for the shotacon niche and are clearly depicted as prepubescent children.

No. 1867256

can you stop responding to the retard baiter please? its a retard that scaped the fujo cringe thread containment. You arent arguing with someone in good faith they genuinely believe fujos are on the same level as moids that jack off to hyper realistic depictions of kids.

No. 1867264

Nta but iirc, haven't there been cases in China and Japan, maybe Russia idk, where it didn't matter how old or young they look, sex is sex and gay sex is as wrong?

No. 1867273

>>1867264
That was China. It has a laid out state doctrine about how it plans to become fully authoritarian again by 2035. As a result, many civil liberties and artistic expressions have been slowly banned, including idols, same-sex content, and any and all sorts of porn production. Ironically, its neighbor Taiwan is essentially the hotspot for BL production these days.

No. 1867277

>>1867264
Japan doesn't have bans on portraying homosexuality like China and Russia does, I don't know where you got that. And that's an issue with homophobia in general anyway, not erotica or porn. In both China and Russia you can't show even non-sexual romance between same sex characters because it's classified as obscene material no matter how innocuous it is.

No. 1867282

>>1867277
My bad, I was just remembering that there was a try at tightening censorship laws and some female authors were against it, despite the general stereotype of moid otaku being the most affected.

No. 1867292

>>1867282
I think you mean Bill 156 that caused protests over censorship in japan which banned certain categories which had yaoi included in it if I recall it was a censor law so children wouldn't be exposed to degeneracy but it primarily focused on manga and anime regarding children and lolicon many mangaka protested it as breach of freedom of speech? I think most female mangaka protested over yaoi being policed while Japanese moids protested over lolicon (they said it was artistic expression) its truly disgusting and not surprising how recent japan banned actual cp

No. 1867295

>>1867292
I wish all forms of pornography where women are sexualized would be banned. Only men should be allowed to be sexualized.(derailing/baiting)

No. 1867302

We were talking about JJK earlier and I know who Gojo reminds me of, despite not watching or reading JJK (yet?). Ban from Get Backers. I think it's the sunglasses and spiky but not totally unrealistic hair. But there's also how in both series the original manga seems "normal" while the anime is specifically pandering to women with its fanservice from what I've seen and especially fujoshi if you remember how the official art with Ban and Ginji looks like. I've seen others make comparisons between JJK and Yu Yu Hakusho before too so I guess it's safe to assume it's just more of the same stuff but for a different generation of readers/viewers?

No. 1867318

>>1867295
but IRL fujos be on the side as lolicons rather then give up yaoi.

No. 1867330

>>1867318
did you not read it properly? i said ban all forms of women being sexualized and yaoi can stay

No. 1867356

>>1867330
and in that scenario, I'm sure all the porn-sick moids will then shift all to yaoi and "trap" porn then, but in the real world the fujos march on the same side male degens when it comes to "freedom of expression" cause the same laws do affect them.

No. 1867358

>>1867356
>and in that scenario, I'm sure all the porn-sick moids will then shift all to yaoi and "trap" porn then
men arent into yaoi. I dont care if men like trapshit because it doesnt affect women.
>but in the real world the fujos march on the same side male degens when it comes to "freedom of expression" cause the same laws do affect them.
that's why i am saying we must ban all pornography that sexualizes women, then we can keep yaoi. Most fujos will agree with me.

No. 1867359

>>1867198
right, the most infamous Diabolik Lovers is chock full of it, guy that likes to whip MC, guy that's bipolar and wants to turn MC into a wax mannequin, multiple guy that forces himself upon MC at every turn, tardraging guy, all of em

No. 1867360

>>1867359
Diabolik lovers isnt old. Its from the 2010s, which is the era all this abusive bf simulator shit started to become popular.

No. 1867367

>>1867360
>>1867359
I couldn't finish the Diabolik Lover anime it was so bad it became hilarious. I have no clue how the game is but I expect it to be just as terrible. However if we're talking about more than just otome games and their adaptations there were some 90s and early 2000s manga with horrible male love interests. Tsukasa in Hana Yori Dango is a trend setter when it comes to abusive "bad boy" love interests.

No. 1867370

>>1867369
you bait is terrible kek. mods must be dilating atm

No. 1867371

think people are kinda forgetting that Japan has a really bizarre culture compared to the West with regards to sexual situations. This abuse does happen and is semi-normalized, but it is never truly acknowledged outright. In these stories, no abusers ever get arrested; instead, they receive some other form of comeuppance. This applies to both fujo and yume authors.
>>1867370
How is saying Japan has a normalized rape-culture and shitty police practices bait?

No. 1867373

>>1867371
>has nothing to do with fandom
>Trying to blame fujos/yumes for moid's degeneracy
you arent even trying anymore how many VPNs have you gone through pakichan?

No. 1867376

>>1867373
>Trying to blame fujos/yumes for moid's degeneracy
where did you think I claimed this? I literally stated the exact opposite, the reason both fujo/yume stories feature normalized rape culture is cause of moid's degeneracy.(infighting)

No. 1867378

>>1867376
except no one is raping moids kek

No. 1867381

>>1867378
I don't think you understand what I'm saying

No. 1867384

>>1867381
because it makes no sense, pakichan

No. 1867388

>>1867384
Let me explain what I meant in simpler terms, someone mentioned that older Japanese stories are often "rapey", I then provided an explanation of the cultural factors that contribute to this issue, In Japan there is a normalized rape culture where abuse is unfortunately expected to happen, reporting such incidents to the police or authorities is often discouraged because they prioritize quick results over solving the actual crimes, there is a general aversion to standing out in society, this combined with the most negative aspects of westernization and excessive consumption of pornography, contributes to a fundamentally flawed and unhealthy society. I come from another society with is fundamentally, but it is different from Japan's
do you finally what understand what I'm trying to say?

No. 1867389

>>1867388
again, a moid problem, not a yume/fujo problem

No. 1867390

>>1867389
you still don't understand what I'm trying to expout, before you repet further you future(whatever thing you will end up as) I know it's a moid problm, but we are all products of the civilizations and cultures that create us, both Japanese men and women are more similar to each other in terms of social values and what is and isn't acceptable, japanese women(fujos and yumed) are products of a misogynistic yet stunted culture. if you've ever read any sort of actual feminist theory(one that isn't liberal-feminist based blind consumerism) you might have learned this.(baiting/infight)

No. 1867394

>>1867390
Interesting, can you tell us about Pakistan culture too

No. 1867398

>>1867390
>Japanese men and women are more similar to each other
No they aren't and it's very evident in the very categories you're talking about yumes and fujos are very different from the usual otaku moid. Generalising them as the same is false I mean even when protests against Bill 156 happened the women were against toddlercon and lolicon but the males with them weren't they were forced to protest with these freaks out of necessity considering how patriarchal japan is.

No. 1867399

>>1867356
Fucking christ Paki-chan get a life

No. 1867405

>>1867390
sorry i only read actual literature like rape yaoi

No. 1867415

>>1867398
Glad to see another runaway siren enjoyer here. I love her.

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i don't even know what to say about this one.

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No. 1867532

>>1867528
This is the main reason I dont want the western audience to get into danmei. They are so beyond retarded. Holyshit

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No. 1867541

>>1867140
It depends on the country, but in general there's more classism than colourism. And in some there can be both at the same time.

No. 1867544

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>>1867528
>>1867537
>Author is Chinese
>The original title is in Chinese, published in Chinese
>The animation was made in China with Chinese VA
>The live action was made in China and with Chinese actors
>"How can be sure it's Chinese and there are not other Asians?"

No. 1867546

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>>1867544
from the quotes kek

No. 1867547

>>1867302
Interestingly, YYH was one of the first shonen manga that deliberately tried to appeal to female viewers by coping shojo traits like including bishonen characters. But Togashi wasn’t the first to have that idea, the granddaddy was Masami Kurumada. Not coincidentally, Saint Seiya was also a hit with both males and females. So essentially basic battle shonen manga for the boys + appealing male characters to pander to the girls = tried and true formula for popularity among both men and women in equal amounts

Tbh, I think that’s a basic prerequisite for any shonen manga nowadays to become a worldwide hit with cultural sticking power. We saw it with Naruto, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, D.Grayman and so on. JJK is just the only one in recent memory to be blatant about pandering to women.

No. 1867563

>>1867547
>Not coincidentally, Saint Seiya was also a hit with both males and females.
kek I know, 6 years old me was begging my parents to get the VHS of some episodes back when renting movies and TV shows was still a thing. I thought some of the prettier guys were girls. iirc CLAMP started working together by making Saint Seiya doujinshi.

>Katekyo Hitman Reborn, D.Grayman

I was going to say it makes sense here since the mangaka are women in both cases, but then I remembered FMA not having pretty boys besides maybe Mustang but he's more of a somewhat accidentally handsome adult man. Fanart usually portray male characters as better looking than in canon but in FMA's case the disparity was bigger than in D Gray Man or Reborn. FMA feels more like an exception to the rule, like it was popular because it was way less of the typical nekketsu manga compared to its contemporary series.

No. 1867564

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No. 1867576

>>1867528
See, things like this are where concepts like "coding" actually apply instead of autistic trans headcanon shit. They may be fantasy characters, but if it was published, written, animated in China it is safe to assume the characters are Chinese even if it's not outright stated. You can easily infer that by everything about the text instead of having their hand held and told everything.

No. 1867586

>>1867576
it's not even coding. i don't know how you read a book where the characters are called "wei wuxian" and "lan wangji" and assume they are anything but chinese. the setting may be fantasy but it's modelled after real chinese locations. this person even said they were "closer to white" which i have no idea how they arrive to that conclusion at all.

No. 1867597

>>1867528
Fwiw, this might be a joke about how people think anime characters are white despite speaking Japanese, made by Japanese, in a clearly Japanese setting.

No. 1867605

>>1867528
This just reads as bait. I don't think anyone would say "if anything, they're closer to white" seriously.

No. 1867639

>>1867415
Agreed, she’s great. Was binging a ton of her videos last night.

No. 1867782

>>1867576
Coding makes no sense. they are chinese, and the only people butthurt about it are westerners who need to involve themselves in everything.



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