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No. 1951437

Previous: >>1922910

Discuss art and related topics such as:

-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated m thread
SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
DO NOT REPLY TO BAIT! REPORT AND IGNORE!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!

Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon

>useful youtube channels

https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>where to find art
https://www.wikiart.org/es
https://artvee.com/
>other useful sites
https://film-grab.com/
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing
https://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheel
painting :Elizabeth Nourse - Self-Portrait as an Artist (1892)
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and billibilli

No. 1954913

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what are your favorite non western traditional artists (no korean,japanese,chinese) artists? i really love gennady novozhilov works! the watercolors and the tones are so beautiful and his stylization too soviet artists were truly in a league of their own, i would love to discover more unconventional artists in the wild that are either obscure or small

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>>1954913
if you hadn't mentioned him already he would've been my first pick

No. 1955007

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>>1954913
Gennady Spirin

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>>1954913
Rien Poortvliet

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>>1955134
Vladyslav Yerko

No. 1955144

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What a thing to come home to.

No. 1955153

the way shenanigansen has been trying to draw “anime” expressions lately sends me into a rage, it’s beyond ugly and you can see his descent into porn addiction through the faces alone

No. 1955159

>>1955144
the way she made a new account and all the improvement she initially had immediately went down the drain makes me laugh

No. 1955190

>>1955144
is this puppychan? she has balls to come back after the turkey tom documentary, considering it has 3.5 million views.

No. 1955237

if you’re an artist on Instagram, do you notice there’s a lot of kids on there that put “inspired by: (artist) in their bio and just blatantly try to copy their style? I try to keep minors off my account by blocking but I noticed in their bios this was a common thing.

No. 1955252

>>1955237
kids are retarded why does it bother you so much they do stupid shit

No. 1955255

>>1955237
it’s probably because they don’t want to be accused of copying each other kek, better than the adults that throw shitfits when they think someone is ripping their style

No. 1955344

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I wish I knew how to draw male bodies decently

No. 1955375

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Do you feel like having original characters / posting them online is a juvenile thing? I am aware there are adults who still have ocs and post them, but unless they’re making it into a story or webcomic, is it odd to you to have them?

No. 1955378

>>1955344
same, muscles are so fucking difficult to memorize

No. 1955380

>>1955375
I personally find ocs really boring, but a lot fo artists have them. If your oc has a boring style then seeing it for the 50th time will get boring though, unless you are extremely talented like mgong

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>>1955237
I noticed one following my abandoned dA account with his blatantly copy of an artist I follow too. At least would you make some original art with his techniques, not tracing his pics and call them your own.

No. 1955385

>>1955375
I think it's great, actually. All people have ocs

No. 1955397

>>1955385
>All people have ocs
Not everyone has ocs, what are you talking about? not only there are lots of artists that do fanart only, but most artists dont draw the same character more than once.

No. 1955398

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>>1955375
not at all since oc's can help you with character designs and they also could be used as a way to gauge your improvement through the years if you've had them long enough, ive never heard any critique about having ocs unless they outright ripped off an another character

No. 1955420

>>1955397
NTA and I may be autistic but do most people really not have some sort of fictional narrative in their heads? Like not even really shit ones?

No. 1955421

>>1955190
Yeah it's puppychan. She even admits to it and "apologizes" and whatnot. Can get the screencaps of her own analysis of her behavior, but it would require me to slug through a lot of unsavory text posts. If tumblr had a way to silence textposts, it would be a better place.

No. 1955422

>>1955421
You can go into her blog archive and change the post type to images.

No. 1955424

Are there any non-trans women who drew mecha art? I know it's a warzone of moids but some of the ones I talk to are super sweet and they may have brainwashed me into
>cool boxy robot go brr

No. 1955426

>>1955422
Unfortunately it is, in fact, also a text post.

No. 1955457

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>>1955424
>non-trans women who draw mecha art
Yes but she is a tif and known here for her cringe ddlg-tier human art unfortunately. Otherwise, look for the Transformers fujos. Jnwiedle is one I remember but there are likely better ones.

No. 1955496

>>1955144
I don't know who this is but I am so repulsed by people who draw fat girls with their breasts out and call them "boys". Even TIFs don't disgust me like this does. Irl version of these drawings: the kind of woman who demands to be called a "boy" while taking bikini / completely quirk-gender conforming selfies is just pathetic to me. Sperg but I hate it.

No. 1955505

>>1955420
idk i just like drawing random guys lol, i dont see them as ocs but some autists insist every single character created is an oc. My favourite oc is norman rockwell's random army guy n52 btw.

No. 1955509

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So here's a question I have concerning an OC type of trend and that is obsession with clowns. I follow a few artists and I noticed that a few of them are obsessed with clown and cirucs themes and not trying to hate because I think circus themes are cool but it's a bit weird to me how popular the theme and the whole clown thing is in recent times.

Like are these people really into clowns or is it just a response to things like Helluva Boss (Fizz) and/or Pennywise from the It remake?

No. 1955512

>>1955509
Maybe it's because of the 3D fetish tranny cartoon that's been on the internet for a while "the amazing circus" or something like that. It has a main character that's some sort of harlequin.

No. 1955517

>>1955509
its because men started fetishizing clown girls

No. 1955518

>>1955509
I think it began with 2016 clown hysteria and the It remake, yeah. From there you had FNAF sister location, the emergence of the poppy the performer fandom, and people latching on to characters like Fizz Helluva Boss, Jevil Deltarune, Tricky Madness Combat, and a shit ton of others (all from fandoms primarily consisting of very annoying people) Ace Attorney clussy thing and Amazing Digital Circus made things 10X worse.

No. 1955521

>>1955509
I feel like this came from Homestuck and media like Popee the Performer because I've seen it for as long as I've been on the internet

No. 1955523

>>1955521
Samefag there were also a lot of clown themed creepypasta

No. 1955529

>>1955521
homestuck? arent homestuck characters mostly demons? the whole clown shit can be also tracked down to the speedoru animation with the "clussy" shit and whole internet porn artists being way too comfortable spreading this shit

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>>1955529
AYRT I never actually got into Homestuck but Gamzee had a lot of clown motifs as well as having juggalo style makeup/marking.

No. 1955536

>>1955531
I can't believe there's people out there that get horny for these ugly ass characters.

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>>1955509
Because it became popular among coomers

No. 1955549

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>>1955529
They're not demons, they're trolls. There's also many clown and jester looking characters, as well as references to the Insane Clown Posse.

No. 1955558

>>1955457
>Jnwiedle
aw i loved her webcomic Helvetica, it inspired Sans and Papyrus!

No. 1955563

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>>1955509
Personally I think there's been a clown fandom (for lack of better word) for a while but it's been niche. Basically just waiting for an opportunity to popularize it to mainstream audiences. Then once whatever associated fandom slowly dies down so does the clown popularity and it goes back to being niche. I can think of like Tumblr clown artists and "alt" people (especially women and girls) who wear clown makeup and outfits. Especially since really chaotic fashion and aesthetic choices are in right now that focus on bright tacky colors and clashing patterns, textures, and shapes. All of those have very distinct clown associations as well.

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>>1955536
Power of fanart gets you here. Good what every major fandom can be able to produce high tier art. Most never read it.

No. 1955571

>>1955375
I fear to be exposed like lame and non-creative with design and lore, I feel naked without fandom anon armor. Too personal, even if generic as hell.

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>>1955424
The transformer fujos are gods, i have a lot of respect for the people who can accurately draw the intricate designs

No. 1955614

>>1955602
God, I’ll never forget reading a transformers doujin and being blown away at them drawing the bots so accurately. Even during the sex panels I admire their dedication and skills.

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>>1955602
fujos drawing transformers yaoi are so based. I genuinely dont understand how they can be attracted to this but i support them regardless
>>1955614
wtf how did the penises look

No. 1955678

>>1955602
I also respect them so much, and it seems like most of them are older women so they’re immune to TiFfing out. This is the best kind of autism in women.

No. 1955690

>>1955602
I respect the artistic ability to draw transformers porn, but if there's one thing I've noticed, it's that 90% of the time it's cuntboy porn(sofujo??). If you know any artist who doesn't do it, I'd like to know.

No. 1955700

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>learning how to draw
>learning how to code
>learning how to write
>want to learn 3D

How do you keep yourself motivated nonnies?

No. 1955705

>>1955700
"no one drew the husbando/waifu art i want so i will"
"no one wrote that story that i want so i will"
"god gave me this talent to draw male ryona so i will"

No. 1955706

>>1955546
you can literally meme men into becoming coomers for anything wow

No. 1955717

>>1955700
Seeing beautiful and skilled works and wanting to be as good as them. The urge to produce something just as impressive but with my own hands. That and wanting to draw the most self-indulgent art in the world but for my eyes only. I love obsessing over a concept that probably only appeals to me and bringing it into existence so I can enjoy it.

No. 1955720

>>1955705
>>1955717
Both of you are so much like me. I started learning how to code because i want to make games no one else will because they only appeal to me. How do you fight the looming fear of never being good enough though? that's something that scares me, specially since i started drawing and coding so late in life.

No. 1955732

>>1955720
i wont say that the feeling of being never good enough goes away..ever.. because the truth is its not a bad thing, dont see it as a determent but as a blessing instead if you never felt insecure about your skills you wouldn't improve and stay stuck in your comfort zone ,the best thing we can do is to cope with this feeling positively than mentally torturing ourselves. good luck nonna!

No. 1955735

>>1955720
I think about how there is no real timeline for how good at a hobby you should be at a certain age, and it sounds corny but everyone has their own unique set of strengths anyways. There will always be people worse than you in some ways that could be better than you in other ways. Everyone's lives, tastes, and motivations are so different that comparing yourself to other people too frequently isn't helpful, although occasional doses of it can be good motivators to work harder. The artists I admire the most usually have at least a decade over me when it comes to experience. I'll compare my old work to my new work, and I think my past self would be absolutely blown away at what I can create now, but my current self still doesn't feel good enough or satisfied, and I'd imagine that feeling will never truly go away. I have years and years of my life ahead of me to get even better. Plus, there are a lot of comics and games that aren't "technically" super skilled but people love them anyways for their concepts and creativity. I also have no intentions of going professional though so my thoughts are more from a "just for fun" perspective.

No. 1955743

>>1955735
I know its a horrible mindset but i compare myself to yandev. It doesn't matter how much i suck at stuff i will probably never be as bad as him

No. 1955754

>>1955743
Nothing wrong with that imo, it would be a truly impressive feat to be worse than him lel

No. 1955775

>>1955705
kek i'm voting for it to be in thread fag

No. 1955778

>>1955375
No OCs feel normal.
What feels childish is posting shipping art . I’ve been sitting on a sketch I made and i’m too embarrassed to post it, part of that is because irls follow my account.
I can’t even bring myself to post it elsewhere

No. 1955793

>>1955700
No one can match my autism for certain things so every thing I make is for myself. Also having good art would be a massive ego boost so I push myself as much as possible to get better and better.

No. 1955798

>>1955706
not really, I've never seen androgynous female bodies become popular with coomers. or if there's a popular GNC female character like rika from pokemon they'll cope by drawing fanart with huge boobs, but that's still not the same thing cause they don't like her actual body. even femboys and traps are more liked by coomers. as long as they can give tits or wide hips to something, be it a monster, weird concept, theme or whatever, they'll coom to it but most of the art is still very transformative

No. 1955801

Whats something you think improves art by tenfold but almost no one does? I think textures help a lot with helping digital art not look like plastic dolls, but almost no one seems to use textured brushes for stuff like skin or clothing.

No. 1955855

>>1955801
composition, good lighting and shading and understanding of depth and shapes. even if your anatomy is kinda shit, if you understand that stuff that can kinda hide it for me. But it has to be GOOD.

No. 1955952

>>1955344
>>1955378
Same.
I want to draw guys but it's so hard, anatomy is hard and it makes me respect those artists that draw good looking men even more.
If any nonna draws hot men, share your wisdom and tips and tricks or guide on how to get the hang of it.

No. 1956217

>>1955801
Imo very few textured brushes look good idk. I often see pieces with cool clear/sharp techniques but then the textured parts look blurry and out of place because the brushes are low-quality.

No. 1956298

>>1955518
Thanks for the blueprint anon. Yeah I see the correlation now and I guess I never put two and two together because while I like circus themes, I'm not obsessed with them so I haven't heard of things like Tricky Madness Combat.

>>1955546
Oh wow lmao but I mean you're right. I guess I didn't suspect that because most of the clown latchers I've seen have been other women (especially Enbies). Though 3 of these girls have called themselves "Clown fuckers"… "I'm a slut for clowns", this is shit I've heard and it's as cringe as you'd expect keke.

>>1955563
Ah okay that makes sense I guess. Actually I do recall seeing this clown obsession awhile back and it was being called "Clowncore" or something like that, just another dumb zoomer trend

No. 1956326

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Are the consequences of getting found out you make nsfw that bad?
For context I do freelance of sfw art at my local area for various shit.
My plan is to make a nsfw account, post some art and nuke it clean after a few years, but the paranoia gets to me.

Drawing ding dongs is just really fun to me, but I don't want normies to think I'm some psycho rapist criminal (besides I hate 3dpd anyway and I never want to have sex ever).

No. 1956335

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brujo ari melting down over people criticizing her nlog oc

No. 1956349

>>1955375
Drawing genshit or anime flavor of the month is leagues more childish than creating your own original stories/characters

No. 1956406

>>1956335
isnt brujo ari hispanic? i often wonder how ESLs end up developing the american gender autism

No. 1956412

>>1956335
For starters, stop calling her a “him”?

No. 1956455

>>1956406
Spending too much time on the internet is the main reason, and sometimes English communities are more active. and the mentality that some LatinAmerican artists have that the LATAM community is too toxic or whatever, so they prefer to stick with foreign audiences for more attention and money.

No. 1956459

>>1956455
> and the mentality that some LatinAmerican artists have that the LATAM community is too toxic or whatever,
to be fair, it is.

No. 1956548

>>1955801
Truly understanding perspective. Not just for backgrounds, or how to draw boxes, but applying it to your drawings of people. Once you learn how to think in 3D space, drawing becomes so much easier.

No. 1956572

>>1956326
>but I don't want normies to think I'm some psycho rapist criminal

What could you ppossibly be drawing to make someone think that? Lots of artists draw NSFW without being put on a watch list. Just be normal. I promise you normies don't care as much as you think they do.

No. 1956582

>>1956548
I have noticed this too. Its why i am trying to go back to perspective, it's honestly so hard, probably the hardest fundamental.

No. 1956609

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Why is every animation youtuber so mediocre at art? you would expect them to be masters by now with how much free time they have thanks to living off making videos. LS mark, daftpina, pan, mr enter, etc.

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>>1956335
Kek I went to see what other people were saying because I love reading critiques, but now I’m confused. Is there a whole series of story content I’ve just totally missed? Because I’ve gone through Brujo Ari’s art and I haven’t noticed anything to this degree of detail. It’s 99% characters just standing and 1-2 comics of the main couple just talking or something about their family life.

No. 1956638

>>1956609
That plushie on the left is concerning.

No. 1956640

>>1956626
I feel like since the tif is so autistic she kind of blew up over nothing, since the way she has her "story" written out in just posts that not everyone is going to follow kek. I feel like she got mad at nothing

No. 1956644

>>1956638
I want to believe it doesn't have a hole, but also its pan so… i wonder how his tif gf feels about it

No. 1956691

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I always wonder how terminally online fandom shit-stirrers who draw like picrel look and act like in real life. Apparently the artist is a 21 year old cis woman too but at this point I've given up at being surprised at age because fandom is such an effective immaturity equalizer where members are either literal children or adults with arrested development and can only build their thoughts around the latest zoomer meme words or tumblr teenager lingo.

No. 1956725

>>1956691
>cis
You can say woman, the majority of anons in here hate trannies and gendercult vocabulary.

No. 1956726

>>1956691
both of these are downright disgusting

No. 1956728

>>1956726
I'd even go as far as to say right is marginally better (only with the added knowledge it was created by a cis woman)

>>1956725
She's just saying that to indicate it wasn't made by a tif

No. 1956729

>>1956691
if the only way women can express their discomfort with pedophilic oversexualized female designs is to uglify them in fanart i get it.

No. 1956735

I know Jazza is for literal toddlers, but i seriously can't believe he doesn't know who loomis is.
>tl;dw: Jazza got scammed and bought AI drawing books that used both AI and stolen art from Fun With a Pencil. He called loomis drawings shit even though Loomis mogs him skill-wise.

No. 1956744

>>1956735
kek no he didnt ive seen the video he mocks the aitard who rips off loomis more funny considering his brother uses ai himself

No. 1956749

>>1956744
He doesn't even acknowledge the sketches are from loomis, the comments are filled with people telling him the sketches he called ugly are stolen from fun with a pencil.

No. 1956768

>>1956326
You’re being extremely paranoid. I’m on normie circles and a couple of people have found out I draw furry porn for money and they just laugh about it and move on. Most men consume horrid irl porn and women read erotica and masturbate, they won’t care if you draw anime characters with their legs open and they won’t theorize about your sex habits or preferences. The nuking thing is also overkill, I mean, of course do whatever makes you feel comfortable but I promise you people pointing and giggling behind your back or gasping in horror and blocking you everywhere is ultimately a self centered thought, it just really doesn’t matter to anyone but you. If it’s gonna stress you out that badly I wouldn’t do it though. Take care.

No. 1956772

>>1956326
Don't be a fag. I am semi popular online for things unrelated to drawing and i have an art account where i post pretty cancellable stuff. The key is in changing styles and keeping yourself as anonymous as possible. People can clock puppychan every time she pops up because she never bothers to change her style.

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>>1956772
also, that one faggot jelloapocalypse has a pretty popular SCAT art account and he still gets to work in the animation industry, somehow.

No. 1956831

>>1956735
at the end of the video he still says he likes AI and thinks its helpful. He just doesn't get it, even after being scammed by AI. I don't understand how an 'artist' can be so cucked

No. 1956835

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>>1956831
Have you seen Jazza's 'art'? this isn't the art of someone who likes drawing. He's clearly a grifter and doesn't see art as an skill that requires time, effort and care. Imagine making a career out of being an art teacher and your art looking like this.

No. 1956836

>>1956728
>>1956726
>>1956729
Pedophilic and oversexualized? I think the left design is boring and generic as hell but did the twitter floodgates open kek

No. 1956837

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>>1956831
>He just doesn't get it, even after being scammed by AI. I don't understand how an 'artist' can be so cucked
His art looks like this and he's a youtube grifter so I fully expected it from him, he likes the idea of quick AI money and hates the idea of slow high quality work

No. 1956838

>>1956836
the original character is from a waifu gachashit for moids

No. 1956839

>>1956837
his art is so outdated, this feels like 00s clipart

No. 1956845

>>1956837
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion but I've never liked that old style of "generic" cartoons (despite growing up on old cartoons and comic books!). I just always found it ugly and unappealing even when I was the target audience as a kid. Even if/when the story was fun and watchable/readable I never wanted to draw it myself or own any kind of merch of it.

No. 1956874

>>1956845
I like the looney tunes, but i always hated how ugly ren and stimpy looks.

No. 1956892

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There's something so off-putting about these "relatable" vent comics. This one annoyed me because it's clearly ripping off the style of another artist whose own vent blew up a few days before this, but that one had a point at least. And does anyone else find it gross to see someone clearly reference someone else's style and pretend like they did that all themselves? I know nothing is original and everyone starts by imitating something or someone but I dislike this attitude so much. Nothing she posted before this looks similar in style

No. 1956893

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What are your favourite art resources that don't get talked as much? I am realy liking stonehouse, but i never see western artists talk about it. I found it thanks to a korean artist i really like. Also what are some famous resources you don't get? I tried getting into Michael Hampton so many times, but his teaching is a bit limited. I never understood how to apply his spine figure drawing method for poses that aren't super dynamic. I also pirated one of Marco Bucci's tutorials and it was pretty horrible.

No. 1956898

>>1956892
I don’t know who this is ripping off but this art looks like soulless generic western anime trying to be ‘deep’ and ‘meaningful’ but falls flat because it’s made by a shallow zoomer artist

No. 1956942

>>1956892
What was the comic this one is ripping off?

No. 1956952

>>1956893
>i never see western artists talk about it
the reason for that is because there were some depictions or something the author said in the book that got it raked over the coals by twittoids, which means that nobody can talk about it without getting cancelled. Personally I found the book really helpful even if the humor is kind of dumb.

No. 1956970

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>>1956952
was it this?

No. 1956988

>>1956970
that is pretty insane lmao

No. 1957111

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>>1956942
>>1956898
These two that were posted on the 4th and 5th and blew up. I don't know if it's as obvious when you haven't been following this artist but the shapes and paneling in their comics always stood out to me and leotelier has never drawn anything like that before this.
https://x.com/shrimplify/status/1775747962532209076
https://x.com/shrimplify/status/1776178710066200836

No. 1957113

>>1957111
this makes me feel old because its so cringy to me

No. 1957119

>>1956970
Well in this case I can definitely see why they were cancelled lol

No. 1957121

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>>1957113
I understand the feeling but for some reason this is the only artist that I've never cringed at kek I enjoy the poetic tone of their other stuff

No. 1957125

>>1957111
I'm fucking kekking, this is fucking hilarious for how stupid it is. All that navelgazing just to say you have autism and people can tell. We can definitely tell. Chris chan levels of taking yourself too seriously. Let me guess, it's a he/him? Hilarious comic. 50/50 the conclusion could have been "I'm trans". But it's "I'm a retard" instead which just makes it funnier.

No. 1957128

>>1956835
Just looking at his 'art' has made me sick to my stomach for years, tbh. I could never really bring myself to care for him, just because it has such a hideous mass-produced early 2000's feel to it and not even the good kind at that. Guess he's been a grifter for almost a decade.

No. 1957130

>>1957119
to be fair he's korean and made fun of himself kek too, but yeah its pretty outdated. The book is still awesome though, i guess less competence in the end if twitterfags get filtered because of something that stupid

No. 1957151

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>>1957125
But at least it has a point, the rip-off is all about being special but not knowing why uwu and the following one is poetic waxing about being ftm and includes all the expected talking points starting with liking girly stuff but not wanting to be subjected to misogyny

No. 1957156

>>1957151
why is she sans in this one?

No. 1957163

>>1956776
>somehow
If having weird/gross fetishes was enough to blacklist someone from the animation/comic industry forever both mediums would be completely dead kek

No. 1957165

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>>1957156
KEK maybe that's why having a body at all "feels wrong"

No. 1957180

>>1957163
someone hasn't heard about ang.. and i wish it did

No. 1957184

>>1957165
kek the overdramatic anime expressions and art style just to be like I hate being a girly woman

No. 1957187

>>1957165
This girl thinks she’s cool as shit

No. 1957189

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>>1955144
same energy

No. 1957273

>>1957165
She doesn’t just fit neatly into a box she’s a fucking open book
You can guess what fandoms she’s been in from her those 2 pages yet had the audacity to think she’s somehow different from girls?. I would be embarrassed if were her

No. 1957281

>>1955375
Every character I make is bound to a story of some kind. It seems weird to draw a one-off, storyless mc and not bother doing much with them. Not saying make the next mickey mouse, but unless it's for the brand, try something with them. The reason most oc art fails is that most oc artist rarely if ever make their ocs feel lived in or at least have context behind them that isn't trapped in the artist's brain.
>>1955344
>>1955378
>>1955952
My main suggestion is studying muscle anatomy and try observing the forms, how they stretch and squash in different scenarios. That way even the most idle of art looks good. I was in the same position as you three till I starting tracing nude male models and learned how to draw men that way. My only weak area are the faces but then again, faces aren't my strongest suit surprisingly enough.

No. 1957292

How you choose clothes design on your OCs? By collecting pin boards? Looking into fashion magazines? In my head I can visualise colors and silhouettes, it's hard though to make full design looking authentic and not lazy, especially if they clash with others characters and overall setting.

No. 1957295

>>1957292
I just design them based on the characteristics of their stories. Which culture they're from/meant to reference, time period, their age etc. I personally find it fairly simply to design outfits, it's hairstyle that to me ends up being tricky at times.

No. 1957301

>>1957292
I wanna ask, you add details to your outfits? Maybe the reason it looks lazy is the lack of intentional detail or maybe how the clothes wrap around the figure?

No. 1957311

>>1957292
For me it's pin boards, social media. I often save pictures of interesting clothes for later. Some of my ocs wear clothes based on clothes from sims games, because it also sometimes helps, kek. Some clothes are just combined details from google images, usually if the character is based on another time period. Just get inspired from every source basically, take some silhouette from one outfit, add details from other sources and it's pretty much it for me.

No. 1957367

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>>1957165
>>1957165
it's a troontiful day outside. timss are sperging, tifs are crying… on days like these, nlogs like you…
Should be burning in hell..

No. 1957437

>>1956893
It's never been officially translated, the English version you see online was done by a third party. Also the racist shit.

No. 1957446

>>1956892
>>1957111
So I'm not the only one who's been getting these same types of comics on their timeline? All of them felt hard to read to be honest and rather dramatic.

No. 1957485

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>>1957130
There’s a lot to make fun of about that book though

No. 1957490

>>1956609
How pathetic,if you're gonna buy a life size plush at least buy one of a character that isn't ugly ass furbait.

No. 1957495

>>1957485
Oh ok I can see why this book is really really popular on /ic/

No. 1957514

File: 1712698523059.jpg (1.24 MB, 2408x2852, lines.jpg)

I don’t know much about animating, why don’t more anime use thicker/varied lines? It’s been done before. Is it more difficult? Costly?
Although I don’t expect anime adaptations to be perfect, I personally found the Dunmeshi anime’s visuals unappealing, and I think part of that is because of the lineart. It took the artist’s original style which had noticeably thicker lines, then made them very thin and uniform which makes the art feel flat and lifeless. I would’ve liked something like the SNK anime or the Scott Pilgrim anime’s line style to emulate the mangaka’s style more.

No. 1957522

>>1957514
>why don’t more anime use thicker/varied lines?
Takes more time and money.

No. 1957523

>>1957514
Can't comment on most of these but I'm pretty sure PSG was a huge bust at least partly because of the animation style. (Also what's the anime middle left?)

No. 1957528

>>1957523
>the anime middle left
Coppelion

No. 1957530

>>1955375
I gatekeep my ocs.

No. 1957576

>>1957485
>Men and women have different bone structures
>Which is why if you draw a man and a woman in completelly different positions their legs and arms will form completely different shapes
I'm sure that there is better advice in other parts of the book, but this part feels like a coomer moid trying really hard to come up with a schizo justification on why that one type of anime girl knees touching foot inward pose that weeboids constantly draw is actually totally scientifically accurate and doesn't look retarded and doesn't make them look like they have rickets.

No. 1957606

>>1957485
This isn't even what the carrying angle implies wtf.

No. 1957640

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>>1957485
The female defending and running poses look so stupid, the defending pose doesn't even make sense kek

No. 1957659

>>1957180
aang was blacklisted for all her weird fetishes. I don't know how jello still gets gigs after they found out his fart account, specially since according to kiwifarms and 4chan he drew loli.

No. 1957668

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>>1957485
He explained it in a very cringe way but it's true. It's clearly meant for animators and weebs so it does have the added cringe of anne may sprinkled in, but it's still a very good book if you can gast it.
>>1957437
it has an official english translation, i have a very shitty scan of it.

No. 1957767

>>1957640
She has chronic faghands

No. 1957864

>get good at drawing boys
>start drawing all the kind of boys i wish i could date but that dont exist irl
>slowly lose interest in 3DPD
>stop feeling attraction even to models
>become completly uninterested in 3DPD to the point looking at them in movies repulses me and make me feel like i am polluting my visual library
wtf, did i just induce myself autism? i wonder if the same thing happens to coomer scrotes

No. 1957910

>>1956970
it's weird to me that silly little drawings like this are assumed to come from a place of hatred and putrid racism, but if their skintones and features had been tweaked to look the same race as the artist they'd be fine. don't want to start a race spergfest tho

No. 1957948

After seeing all the calarts/disney/corporate inspired styles from western animation students, it's refreshing seeing student work from someone who seems free of that influence. Her control of value is crazy good.

No. 1957982

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>>1957910
it's weird to me too. he might have some funny ideas (i'm not sure his shank length dance theory is a real thing) but it's clear from reading the book that he doesn't have any sort of prejudice at all

No. 1958577

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chloe wise is so ugly she looks like she smells like cheese. her art is also so bad, i don’t get her huge following

No. 1958609

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>>1958577
Post the art nobody here cares how the artist looks crab chan,she just seems like the run of the mill generic fine artist?

No. 1958621

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No. 1958626

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Damn, a prestigious, elite art school out of anything being outed for using ai art is fucking insane. It's so obvious when you look at the visuals closely too. I just wonder why it seems like ai art users seem to almost make it purposefully blatant that they are using ai? Some retouches would definitely trick people like they want to but nobody ever revises it. Especially for big companies and corporations, I'd expect there's a huge screening process to release shit into the public but ai art always goes untouched, when it could've looked real if they had just edited it slightly. Just retarded as fuck.

No. 1958637

>>1958626
Gobelins makes some of the best adult indie animation shorts IMO, this is disheartening.

No. 1958642

>>1958626
This is gross. They should get a big hit to their credibility for this.

No. 1958654

>>1958626
at this point I just want to know why. From what I've seen artists pretty much unanimously hate AI and any company that uses it gets a huge hit to their reputation, as proven over and over again. So why do they keep using it? Is it really worth saving the money it would've taken to hire an actual artist for their art school ads?

No. 1958658

>>1958626
that's so depressing

No. 1958660

>>1958654
My point exactly. They're not poor and have access to some of the most talented artists out there. Maybe they thought it would take too much time lmfao?

No. 1958661

>>1958626
They couldn't use their students work?? Afaik they're already getting ad revenue from posting their student's work on their Youtube channel so it's not like they don't already make money off them

No. 1958698

Sorry for the random question, but what are some telltale features in a drawing that make you suspicious of the artwork having been traced? Sometimes you just can see it right away, but it's often hard to explain why.

No. 1958710

>>1958698
Chicken scratch, uneven, and absolutely dogshit lines over decent/good anatomy. Or forms that just look weirdly flattened out

No. 1958713

>>1958698
When there's a weird flatness to it like other anon said, no line weight or variance, weird mistakes or gaps where the details in the original image weren't clear and the tracer isn't able to fudge what they can't see due to lack of skill. Clashing skill levels like good anatomy + bad shading.

No. 1958722

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Possibly the worst regressions I've seen so far

No. 1958765

>>1957367
This is beautiful and assuming you drew it, 10/10 nona

No. 1958767

File: 1712797465549.png (Spoiler Image,1.46 MB, 1191x1096, weirdofreak.png)

There's this coomer moid who is popular on TikTok where he fixes art by shading and stuff. I mean the tiktoks themselves aren't a big deal it's more so how he needs to fix his art. Also, it's weird how he draws sexual shit while advertising for beginner artists to join his discord and other groups to help them (usually children)
https://www.tiktok.com/@kentoncscott?lang=en
https://www.instagram.com/kentoncscott/
It's obvious porny shit and when he draws women it's only to appeal to him and other scrotes; while on the off chance he does draw men it's a natural one.
(Spoiled for boobs)

No. 1958797

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>>1958626
their response makes no sense

No. 1958802

>>1958797
Ah, they're speaking in lawyernese to justify their use of AI. Also I think they're bullshitting the "prepartory concepts to be proposed to publishers" thing because what publisher would want to make a book featuring AI Deku from MHA?

No. 1958814

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>>1958797
not only that but it seems they're slowly making ai art a class as well, what a shame they pumped out the best animators out of any animation schools and now they're slapping their faces with this why go to an art school when youre just going to use prompts and keywords anyways

No. 1958829

>>1956609
How can you admit this to the general public? Are men so retarded they don't realize how depraved this is?

No. 1958856

>>1958626
>wacom using ai
>da and artstation accepting ai
>gobelins using why
>csp using ai
why, just why? whats the point of allienating the people that are paying for your services. You think an aitard is going to spend 100 bucks in your tablet or program? they are grifters for a reason

No. 1958859

>>1958767
LMFAO that hairline

No. 1958860

>>1958814
>>1958797
>>1958626
Wow this is disappointing

No. 1958895

>>1957910
>but if their skintones and features had been tweaked to look the same race as the artist they'd be fine.
No they wouldn't race-chan kek. Regardless isn't this supposed to be art not amateur human anthropology? Why are artfags delving deep into pseudo-scientific race science to begin with? This isn't necessary for understanding anatomy.

>>1957982
>he doesn't have any sort of prejudice at all
I like how everyone is caricatured but the asian people with simple lines for facial features and the ideal white woman at the bottom lol. If you two are allowed to have your coping racist defending opinion, I guess I can; Koreans commonly have racist and white worshiping art. Its rare to see asian people depicted as asian.

>>1958767
What an absolute embarrassment.

>>1958626
Who? This is why art shouldn't be someones main job kek. Because it operates like a racket of muh prestigiousness. frauds.

No. 1958896

>>1958895
>This is why art shouldn't be someones main job kek. Because it operates like a racket of muh prestigiousness. frauds.
Silly

No. 1958899

>>1958895
>Who? This is why art shouldn't be someones main job kek. Because it operates like a racket of muh prestigiousness. frauds.
are you illiterate? read the post again

No. 1958901

>>1958896
Elaborate. Art IS in effect based on a racket that others perpetuate intensified by a commodified market but doing it for your own improvement is good enough reason to. Its not something specific to art but art intensifies prejudices and everything fucked up about capitalism hence the abundance of aforementioned race art, degraded women art and AI generated stolen/no effort art. Regardless one job your entire life is a recipe for precarity.

No. 1958912

>>1958895
>>1958901
What point are you trying to make because you sound dense. Gobelins is a fairly well respected art and animation school, so them using AI is like a law school using Chat GPT. Also duhh people go to art school to get a job that is 75% the point of going to art school, it's not a good industry at all to get into but that is the literal point.

No. 1958944

>>1958912
Point being you perpetuating and defending a racket despite its many prejudices and faults is not very smart. And you've drawn a false comparison. You DO have to go to law school to become a lawyer because lawyers are chartered to a law firm. A doctor needs a medical license and a builder needs a trade certificate from a trade school to prove that they can build but artists don't need a license to do art nor should propagate a hierarchical culture behind it because it leads to false profits, prejudice and delusion. A big issue with art and artists seems to be a lack of critical thinking skills.

No. 1959029

I feel a strange kind of art-block. I am able to read art books and do drawing excercises like figure drawing, but i can't sit and actually draw. It feels frustrating so i just go back to ''safe'' stuff that makes me feel like i am doing progress. I prefeer it over normal artblock which is just not drawing at all, but i also know that i need to apply what i learn onto personal art.

No. 1959085

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I feel somewhat vindicated after seeing those tweets. People are realising that Webtoons is predatory. It sucks that if you're not East Asian there it feels like there are no channels to post your comic.

No. 1959086

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No. 1959280

>>1959085
This is a good reminder to PAY FOR A LAWYER to look over contracts! Never ever EVER sign a work contract like this (esp with a corpo like Webtoon) without getting a lawyer to look over it. There's lots of them that specialize in artist contracts even. This isn't me victim blaming but just good practice. Assume everyone is out to screw you over every time and protect your rights.

No. 1959329

>>1959085
I started getting suspicious over the ownership thing when they posted one of their competitions years back. They outlined in the rules that once your comic got chosen for originals you'd have to remove it from other hosting sites. But if you retained ownership of its ip I don't feel they have any legal right to do that, so the obvious intention is that they want to gain total ownership of it to profit off it over you. I believe they also said you couldn't even produce your own physical copies to distribute. It was crystal clear what their intentions were. Honestly I don't believe that Hollywood bigwig shit, they wanted to do this from the start. The other monetized comic platforms from Korea do the exact same thing.
People need to start normalizing comic websites again so these corporations don't have such control over the community.

No. 1959331

>>1959280
Especially if it's a corporation

No. 1959355

>>1958901
Funny how you got so defensive over me just saying "silly" this is why nobody likes these threads

No. 1959413

>>1958654
artists are usually not the owners who decide what image is good or what money should be used for, it's always greedy old men who think they know best when in reality they're grossly out of touch

No. 1959516

Has anyone ever seen a good artist say they have imposter syndrome? I feel like terrible artists learned the term and use it to cope, so they don't have to admit the fact that they aren't good and aren't doing things right, protecting their ego.

No. 1959600

File: 1712874631449.jpeg (1.16 MB, 1170x1992, IMG_5485.jpeg)

Which one of you faggots is this

No. 1959607

>>1959516
I have, but they usually only talk about it if someone asks. Everyone experiences that to some degree, especially if you post online and get more attention than you feel you deserve. That's why I find people who complain about it unprompted annoying kek they are not special and I won't react to their attempts at fishing for complements

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No. 1959676

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>>1959674
>>1959280
I highly doubt that would idea would occur for the average webtoon artist considering a good chunk of them are teenagers or adults adulting. In all fainress it's not something the freelancing/professional side of online art communities talk about

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No. 1959683

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how do people think they're gonna get away with this? he deleted his twitter and fucked off. the story is that he asked for permission to use the character, was rejected, and then used it anyway.

No. 1959685

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>>1959683
https://twitter.com/MeepSheepVT/status/1778366318598885548
thread about it here.

the guy was also using the original art by yube as his steam and ko-fi, and treated other artists like total shit. if he pops up anywhere again i hope he gets hammered like a mole

No. 1959687

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>>1959682

>>1959685
Isn't it a better idea to share screencaps in case they nuke it?

No. 1959697

>>1959683
>>1959685
Vtubers are so trash, they're like AI but so ugly and insecure that they need Pngs to represent themselves.

No. 1959720

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No. 1959993

File: 1712891768264.png (1.96 MB, 1158x1307, indesign.png)

Thanks for the recommendations, nonnas. I never thought to check out the Transformers fandom for robot art. Primarily I've been hoarding Megaman Zero fanart, because it's just a ton of twinks and one girl, who they're all shaped like. The fanart of the series has some killer takes on the otherwise sameface designs.
Anyone know any artists that paint similarly like picrel? Doesn't have to be animu, just… whatever digital art painting style this is. (Yes I know it's pretty basic bitch but I wanna get as many similarly done pieces as I can kek)

No. 1959998

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samefag but
Toru Nakayama has what I want also in terms of quick and easy (?) styles. I know he's a lolifag but it seems just about any hired Japanese artist is these days.
I just want to have fun when drawing technical characters. They're so bubbly somehow? And his art has come a long ways over the years which is nice to see. Is it bad I cheer on some moids in the art field? I'm just feeling pretty solid about seeing a childhood favorite climb up in the world without hurting anyone IRL

No. 1960001

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>>1959085
>It sucks that if you're not East Asian there it feels like there are no channels to post your comic
I saw a Korean person comment that Korean artists get a shitty deal too. I remember some drama with Lezhin and some Korean artists talking about being overworked but I’m not deep into the k-webtoon scene to know much

No. 1960036

>>1959280
I don't disagree, but I don't think the average person they scope out for such a 'deal' has the knowledge or even just the money to do that. Not to mention there's a good chance webtoon will just laugh at you if you even try.
>>1959697
Considering how the average male treats any female streamer I don't blame women for wanting to be a vtuber instead. Way safer.

No. 1960055

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No. 1960119

>>1955509
I like clowns. I also like creepy cute. I think it's just in the territory. Other medias have made clown personalities fun to adopt into OCs whether it's sociopathic like Joker or cutesy like Raggedy Anne. Or a mix like when you get your pick related or the muppet/clown looking Welcome Home. It's just another design type that appeals to some and others not so much. Like I hate gothy characters. I was goth in school and now looking at characters with the aesthetics, I cringe.

No. 1960129

>>1959600
ugh i hate edgy pickmes who call their ugly scrotes moids to seem quirky and mean. Look at his hairline lmao.

No. 1960130

>>1959697
>they're like AI
no, they are not. What the fuck is this comparison.

No. 1960132

>>1960130
AI brainrot. Everything art-related that someone dislikes, they automatically think it's comparable to AI.

No. 1960133

>>1960130
Nta but I think nonna means they're like ai slop

No. 1960136

>>1960132
Vtubers are honestly one of the best things that happened to artists, no joke. I used to make crappy NSFW commissions for a living because no one wanted SFW commissions, then vtubers became a thing, i learnt live2D to make models and now i maka good money making vtuber models. I do not miss my furry inflation days at all.
>>1960133
they aren't, really. You can not like them because they are popular and whatever but they feed the art community like no other. You think big streamers like Penguinz0 give a shit about paying artists? no, they dont. It's vtubers that make up most of todays commissioners. They are also very anti-ai since they depend on artists so much.

No. 1960139

>>1960136
I'm sorry, what did Charlie do? Did he not pay his comic artists for the comics he has or something?

No. 1960142

>>1960139
he has a comic? no idea, i dont watch that normie faggot.

No. 1960151

>>1960136
>i learnt live2D to make models and now i maka good money making vtuber models. I do not miss my furry inflation days at all.
Nona over here living my dream life tbh. If a bunch of scrotes wanna get off to a character I made for that very specific purpose and pay me to live comfortably, then sign me up. (I am too retarded for live2D so I am a PNGstreamer with tons of overlays and copyrighted music to lure people in)

No. 1960164

>>1960151
I don't stream, i just make and sell the models lol.

No. 1960167

>>1960164
OH. kek
My art is too flat for that kind of business. Good on you nona though; I salute to you and your hard work.

No. 1960171

>>1960167
If my english was better i would love to stream but i dont think hispanics pay much and its not a real passion of mine to be honest lol

No. 1960277

>>1959697
I don't watch vtubers but:
>they pay real artists good money
>they come back for multiple designs
>they often like unique ridiculous designs meaning they're quite fun to make
>the art is visible and at the center of the whole stream, free advertizing for the artists
>they allow females to stream and act silly and play games without being attacked for how they look
>they allow females to stream while being more anonymous and safer from moids
So I say they're a good thing overall.

No. 1960291

>>1958626
Incredibly embarrassing. Wow

No. 1960401

>>1960277
and on the other hand, they
>allow moids to prey on kids while hiding being their smexy anime uwu guy
>are fucking annoying

it's good for the art community, like really good, but outside of that honestly vtubers in general are a fucking plague on society

No. 1960416

>>1960401
How are they a plague on society any more than regular streamers? I don't like them because it's always some woman speaking in a kawaii uguu pitch or an ugly moid but it's not like other streamers are that different

No. 1960435

>>1958856
>>1958654
They are playing the long game and hoping it will normalize ai art to the next generation of artists. The same thing happened with micro transactions and gaming. Gaming companies knew that gamers hated micro transactions but they kept pushing them so now we have young gamers who grew up with micro transactions and don't consider them an issue. Though I can't see what an art school gets out of promoting ai. I wonder if the companies who made the ai tech is paying them for doing this

No. 1960448

>>1960401
>allow moids to prey on kids while hiding being their smexy anime uwu guy
nta but what

No. 1960465

What happens to artists who post art consistently for years and then drop off the face of the earth? Do most of them quit doing art and become normies? Are they dead? I wonder sometimes. How can someone go from being a prolific artist with a cultivated and often famous online presence to completely disappearing?

No. 1960471

>>1960465
care to give some examples? this happens a lot with japanese rkgk artists, but i think most of them are animators or work in the industry somehow

No. 1960487

>>1960471
For instance I was in the homestuck fandom back over a decade ago and many of the prolific and famous fanartists of the time completely disappeared eventually, completely stopped keeping up an online (public) presence and certainly posting their art, even if it wasn't about homestuck anymore. Many were quite talented so I wonder what happened to them.

No. 1960492

>>1960487
probably rebranded

No. 1960497

>>1960492
Yeah, no, I obviously mean cases where they don't rebrand. You can tell because their social media e.g. twitter still has active likes, despite being completely dead otherwise and not posting any art.

No. 1960516

>>1960497
I suppose they just get alt accounts then and use that account so not to lose their mutuals or like to keep their old art lives apart from their new ones,it's a little sad really theres so much abundance of fan artists we often forget the ones who were at the start of it or the ones who just deleted everything and disappeared I always regret not archiving art that I loved as a child which is probably lost forever

No. 1960517

where do you find nude refs? and i mean obviously meant for artists, not porn.

No. 1960518

>>1960517
Line of action and pirated reference packs from art station. But nowadays 3d models do the job

No. 1960520

>>1960518
where do you find the pirated packs? i hate line of action because the moids are monstrous

No. 1960548

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>>1960465
When I remember artists that stopped posting and try to figure out what happened they oftentimes just started working. I guess they simply don't have the time or energy for social media/fandom anymore. I recently looked up Runmonsterun and annaxiin, both are working in the industry now and most of the artists I follow that stopped posting last year or earlier also did so because they got serious jobs.

No. 1960717

>>1960142
So you're just making shit up. Anon, don't make statements like that and not bring caps.

No. 1960768

>>1960717
i didnt make up anything, i just used him as an example of the average streamer that doesnt really care about art.

No. 1960831

>>1960465
>How can someone go from being a prolific artist with a cultivated and often famous online presence to completely disappearing?

Being a famous artist online, if they don't have an online business, is not sustainable. Unless they are good enough to get an industry job, most just fall into normie life eventually. Likes/popularity lose value over time and is not worth keeping up an online presence for.

No. 1960849

>>1960055
I hate how capitalism has infected the webcomics and online art scene in general. Now people start a webcomic with the dream of being exploited by a corporation, not to tell their story. It is very possible to make money off your own comics, look at Mira Ong Chua and HamletMachine, but having a shiny badge that signifies that you are Corporate Approved seems to have more value than money itself to younger artists. Like teens who dream of working for Disney or Dreamworks, instead of dreaming of bringing their own projects to life. When did corporate validation become so important to artists? It's clearly not about the money, since many are willing to get screwed over by Webtoon just for that corporate seal of approval.

No. 1961268

>>1959600
>Checks twitter
>Self-hating brown argentina
>Catholic
>Furfag
>Various art of self-insert being tradwife for white moids
Every time

No. 1961280

>>1960768
Except he does. He runs two comics and pays his artists. Your example makes no sense.

No. 1961362

I cannot with this twitetr artist Chols or something like that I don't care, she draws genshin and some other games fanarts and also has gay porn twitter and holy shit everyone has the same face with this cringy grin i can't. At the same time it makes me angry when i see it but also when I think that a human is drawing those faces it makes me laugh so much. I just saw her sfw drawing under some other post and needed to vent about this.

No. 1961426

>>1956326
That Finnish woman that made some emo incest VN got doxxed for it. You can get doxxed for anything now, I don't want post anything online anymore. Especially since I know I won't shut up about my opinions
In fact i found this general because I wanted to bitch about an artist I hate who I was wishing the worst for her(it was yudoridori btw)
>>1956772
People still managed to find Shmorky's weird furry loli diaper persona where he paid a 13 year old girl to voice his fetish character, and he was really skilled enough to change his style

No. 1961509

>>1960768
no proof, so you made it up.

No. 1961519

File: 1712984725481.png (137.67 KB, 320x450, image_2024-04-13_150044820.png)

How does one get into doing thumbnail sketches, I tend to just draw some shit and then refine it until it looks good (and then make shit up when I start doing lineart kek). Whenever I try to do multiple small sketches I get bored and move onto something else, is there a proccess that makes you enjoy it or am I just not cut out for it? As an alternative question, are there any still functioning oeaki boards or programs/websites like them? I can emulate it in MS Paint but I'd really like the more restrictive palettes and canvas sizes.

No. 1961543

>>1961519
Neat fig

No. 1961547

File: 1712985874248.jpg (1.48 MB, 2279x3600, sfs.jpg)

This sameface debate keeps appearing on my tl lol. What do you think nonnas?

No. 1961559

>>1961543
Ikr, I need this Maya Ibuki fig so bad. (All her other ones look fucked up though, like someone put her in the microwave)
>>1961547
They don't have same face in their other work, but the ponies look like they all have FAS. The discussion is annoying and retarded and the artist should have just ignored the comment instead of acting butthurt.

No. 1961591

>>1961547
The concept of sameface is irritating. Some artists are going to have an art style that’s stronger than facial and body diversity that people think are required assets that make you a great artist when it doesn’t.

No. 1961600

>>1961547
I find it really strange, like that initial accuser just wanted to tear down that artist and just said sfs to achieve that purpose instead of having more honest criticism.
>>1961519
same, but for some reason my initial drawing always looks better and more harmonious than the "fixed up" version. skill issue? probably.

No. 1961660

>>1961547
same face syndrome doesn't really matter. I am tired of Disney character design rules being treated as gospel, like the shitty "triangles are evil, circles are friendly" principle

No. 1961700

>>1957910
You would not be saying this if his art had hyper sexual women on it. You’d be huffing and puffing and writing essays on misogyny

Typical lolcow woman(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 1961716

>>1961547
I honestly don't care.

No. 1962112

>>1961547
"Same face syndrome" can exist as a conscious style choice or because the artist does not know how to draw a pretty girl without sticking to a template. It's only ever how they draw girls too, because it's not a requirement for your man drawings to be pretty.

No. 1962217

>>1961547
The girl representing twilight has jaundice. Nobody has that yellow of scleras

No. 1962230

>>1962217
Nobody can do dark skin tones and it’s so fucking embarrassing. They are always either orange as fuck or look like a zombie. The wokies virtue signaling are always the worst at it too, kek.

No. 1962256

File: 1713034000007.jpeg (896.38 KB, 1170x1958, IMG_2871.jpeg)

Did anyone see the weird drama around the milkman ?

No. 1962259

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>>1962256
This is the guy that’s starting fights across art tiktok because some women have the audacity to give him a glow up. I don’t get it it’s something that artists have always done I thought it was the joke but now people are pissed that artists aren’t drawing him accurately

No. 1962263

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>>1962259
I think most of the wokefest started from Kooleens’s portrayal
How does she manage to trigger so many people

No. 1962266

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No. 1962273

>>1962266
I love Koolen. She's the female samdoesart we deserve. It honestly makes me glad she's so popular, women are never allowed to be horny and free like men. It's cool to see a woman who just doesn't give a fuck and won't bend down to pickme's demands to draw ugly men.

No. 1962274

>>1962259
>>1962256
>>1962263

These people have be terminally online to take a basic ass character like this and churn out both fanart and drama about it. Like WTF, they all need to calm down and just stop caring so much about how other artist draw their fanart.

No. 1962280

>>1962266
It's telling how they shit on Kooleen for doing the same thing that all the other milkman arts have been doing where they draw him as a hot sexy tumblrman white guy (with a side of random kpop dude look as that's what they clearly use as reference). Let the teen girls have their sexy milkman art based on a random kinda funny horror game. It's so innocent compared to the shit that happened when men decided to focus on those recent animated JP Mcdonalds ads.

No. 1962298

>>1962280
People crying over how he’s whitewashed but a lot of the art just made him into a pretty anime guy. It’s obviously supposed to be a joke. Kooleen didn’t even make him white just her usual kpoopie thing

No. 1962302

>>1962263
>>1962256
Confirms what >>1962217 >>1962230 are saying. It’s weird how they adopted this yellowish skin as “accurately representing poc asians” as opposed to white asians or something??

No. 1962385

>>1962263
I saw the video and I thought it was pretty obvious that it was a joke. I thought the ugly man psyop shit was made up but I'm starting to believe it kek.

I'm also pretty sure the character is meant to be white, the game takes place in the 50s and all the other white characters have the same skintone. They just want to find reasons to shit on kooleen for being a woman that behaves like a moid and doesn't subscribe to the woke agenda.

No. 1962480

>>1962273
She’s one of a kind that’s for sure kek. Still, it’s funny how high and mighty she acts while all her art is just some face on a white background.

No. 1962609

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>>1956626
i follow her (i like the art style and wanna do it myself) and from the way she writes she frames kate as this nlog who everyone fawns over and draws her as an it girl. meanwhile mary is shown to be a typical 2000s mean girl whos so jealous of kate, is always portrayed badly or lesser than kate, even cutting off her hair to look like kate out of jealousy. kate is this angel often depicted as cute or otherworldy and different, mary as an annoying tryhard with no brains who always loses, so its not hard to see why people side with mary than kate.

No. 1962612

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>>1962609
she probably deleted this due to that perception, kate has no reason to be jealous, the dude only likes her and every guy depicted is shown to be fawning over kate

No. 1962668

File: 1713058956627.jpg (408.58 KB, 1158x1206, etc.jpg)

>>1962609
>>1962612
>pretty popular mean blonde girl vs normaler heroine
Derivativeness aside, I don’t know what brujo was thinking if she wanted her heroine to be the more liked one kek. Fans love mean pretty blonde girls, especially if there’s a way to interpret her as an underdog.

No. 1962670

>>1962609
This is still hilarious to me that there’s not even a comic or show, just her posting her ocs with a wall of text and this had people in her comments up in arms and had her throwing a fit. Kek

No. 1962672

>>1962385
I feel like that whole drama would be like catnip to the nonnies in the ugly man thread.

No. 1962681

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>>1962256
who is this guy? the only milkman in my heart is this crazy.

No. 1962690

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>>1962670
There's small comics, but nothing too deep, most are just "look at how everyone loves Kate! but also no one understands her but alex!"

No. 1962694

Does anyone else have this issue where 99% of current art you see bores you? Like it’s good on a technical level but underwhelming, like something feels missing.

No. 1962698

>>1962690
just checked her account and god damn standards have dropped SO low, how the fuck she has nearly 50k followers and get more than 1k likes on each shitpost i will never understand. Absolute gendie slop lmfao.

No. 1962706

>>1962681
Kek, so true nona

No. 1962716

>>1962681
I think he's from that game called That's not my neighbor
>>1962609
>>1962612
I don't follow her art but I do like the shape design in her lineart and the way she poses her characters. The most amusing thing about her OCs to me is that her main couple are both tifs

No. 1962720

>>1962609
Cute drawing and the group of girls each with their own style thing is making me feel nostalgic but I feel cursed by the knowledge that this is kakyoin

No. 1962736

>>1962716
if she just made them lesbians it would be cool

No. 1962752

>>1962736
She actually hates when people do that lmao

No. 1962760

>>1962752
ayrt, are you talking about when she pairs kakyoin with the white girl? I notice she never makes her "genderbends" of kakyoin and jotaro femme x femme

No. 1962789

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>>1962760
yeah she hates when commenters say kate and mary should be lesbians, and youre right even when she made them "transfemmes" they arent femme x femme

No. 1962790

>>1962789
the red head is cute here

No. 1962797

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>>1962609
>>1962612
YWNB Svetlana Chmakova

No. 1962805

>>1962790
Kek I was thinking the same thing

No. 1962810

>>1962797
Urelated but I always thouht this series was shit

No. 1962814

>>1962266
>>1962263
Why can't both be fine? I don't understand why her take has to do with "why are they making this guy handsome??" as if art isn't personal and you can make something look however you want it. She's such a cunt, how does one portrayal ruin yours? She's probably just salty it got more attention, so she has to bash the artist for the most petty thing possible in order to get drama likes. Pathetic. She's so fucking pathetic. I'm glad I don't post in the art scene anymore because all these users seem like a nightmare.

No. 1962915

>>1962480
isnt that part of her gimmick though? to larp as some yass queen female faggot

No. 1962919

>>1962694
yeah, same. What kind of art are you talking about, anime or something more like artstation concept art?

No. 1962921

>>1962698
Are you looking at her side account? Her main has 150k kek

No. 1962925

>>1962789
wait so, does she actually see kate as ugly nerd despite looking exactly like all of the pretty girls?

No. 1962929

>>1962925
No? She sees Alex/Jotaro as an outcast loser type though, in that artwork their roles/personalities are swapped too

No. 1962932

>>1962929
oh i get it now. Its hilarious how TIFs always have the girliest fantasies ever.

No. 1962948

>>1962266
>>1962263
Don't know anything about the game, but this one's pretty good.

No. 1962990

>>1962921
Kek she complains about work flopping sometimes and it’s insane how much likes she still gets despite that

No. 1963092

>>1962990
I wonder how she will feel about the inevitable drop-off that's going to happen unless she starts a vivzie-tier project that would actually make money and keep the fanbase engaged. Her art is trendy right now, but trends change and she will probably want to branch out and switch the style up at some point anyway and who knows if all the current fans will stay for that

No. 1963108

>>1963092
She plans to make a comic or something but who knows when that will happen. Her fan base is mostly young anyway. I follow her closely because she’s a cow for me, and it seems her younger fans will copy her art style for a while, and then move on to something else. It was kind of satisfying to see people call her out on her whining (now deleted posts.)

No. 1963110

>>1963108
Samefag, I notice she interacts with her younger fans like she’s also still a teen too despite being in her early twenties. It’s kind of odd to me

No. 1963111

>>1962990
>she complains about work flopping sometimes
Kekkk I’ve seen this too with other popular artists with up to 400k followers, and the “flopped” work will have 20k likes. Sometimes I wonder how much time people like this spend on other things, because they post content so often, manage multiple social medias at the same time, and scroll through/reply to a ton of comments, sometimes enough to start discourse.
If I don’t become a mega popular artist in this lifetime, my one cope is at least I no longer have internet-based mental illness. The internet dopamine really fucks with you in good-feeling and mostly horrible ways

No. 1963120

>>1963111
Ayrt as far as I know, this specific artist (brujo Ari) is a NEET. This is all she does kek

No. 1963135

>>1962810
It was cute and inoffensive.

No. 1963167

>>1963108
I know but she also always talks about being bad at writing, it would be better if she found an actual writer to work with at this point. But if she only wanted to do single illustrations she could still do merch, styleguides/tutorials, speedpaints, patreon etc. I wonder why she doesn't do that if she really is a neet, I can't believe tiktok or insta reels alone pay that well and social media fame won't last forever

No. 1963189

>>1962919
>What kind of art are you talking about, anime or something more like artstation concept art?
I guess just anything, anime, cartoons, comics, artstation, art I see on twitter/insta/tiktok. It feels like it’s getting harder and harder to find art I find genuinely interesting or inspiring. Even artists who work I admired many years ago have ‘refined’ their style to become more bland and boring.

No. 1963206

>>1955144
see now this is actually draw girl, call boy
even the trappiest trap still has pectoral muscles and a penis

No. 1963217

>>1955509
icp was also clown/carnival themed, plus wasn't there this whole thing about people dressed as clowns assaulting others irl for a while

No. 1963267

File: 1713108288793.jpeg (1.01 MB, 1170x954, IMG_2899.jpeg)

Might be too specific but can someone recommend an artist that draws het and GL couples?
Picrel is the only one I know
(Obviously must be a woman)

No. 1963285

>>1963267
I'm sure this artist is actually a woman into women but I've seen too many they/she "I am capable of recognizing female beauty so I call myself wlw/sapphic despite having no vested interest in pussy + I am dating a male" squee over her to take the work seriously anymore

No. 1963362

>>1963285
Ok I’m sorry or something
Do you know any artists that draw only GL and het or not

No. 1963373

>>1963362
I do, but you're annoying so I'm not going to tell you their names. Time to go googling perhaps.(infight bait)

No. 1963511

File: 1713115399978.png (1.08 MB, 1080x767, milsae.png)

>>1963362
Ignoring the retard, have you seen picrel? She's a lesbian who only draws lesbian couples, mostly butch women.

No. 1963592

>>1963511
Can artists not draw butch women without making them look like men. Gives me weird FtM tranny vibes.

No. 1963608

>>1957982
why the hell is flamenco a representation of american culture. and even if it meant south america how does it qualify as a colder climate. Not to mention Korea itself can be pretty damn cold.

No. 1963624

>>1963608
it's not flamenco nonny, its mexican.

No. 1963644

What artists make you want to draw? I need some recs, I feel very demotivated and need a boost in inspiration.

No. 1963847

File: 1713129451552.jpeg (268.35 KB, 750x646, 7EAE840E-5EFE-4ACC-81CF-67C188…)

Kek brujo Ari’s post

No. 1963852

>>1963847
ofcourse she had to be an spoiled brat. Imagine crying your family takes you on vacation and makes you touch grass.

No. 1963862

>>1963847
"severely sick, I was so tired" take vitamin d supplements and go on a walk. So pathetic and privileged

No. 1963869

>>1963592
I would consider checking her work out before making that assumption.

Not to sperg for her but Milsae is one of if not the only lesbian artist that I can think of that actually seems to love women. She draws butch, femme, tall, small, old, GNC, chic, nerdy, hairy, confident, shy, etc etc etc etc literally any type of real woman you can think of, she draws them. She's actually a woman who loves all kinds of women and it shows through her art. The pic posted wasn't the best example but if that's what you're looking for I strongly suggest her work.

No. 1963871

>>1963847
"Spoiled grown man"
"My mom made me"

No. 1963876

>>1963644
horikwawataru's godly to me. him, yoshinari yoh, iniro, lacryboy, and huangdanlan are my inspirations

No. 1963884

>>1963847
I like that shes venting to her teen followers

No. 1963885

>>1963876
great recs, thanks nonny. But why lacryboy? her art is generic coomershit. I am actually surprised she isnt banned considering how much lolishit she posts.

No. 1963899

>>1963885
Isn’t she some kind of tif too?

No. 1963900

>>1963644
Naux830 and gLico4ka are two of my favorite twitter artists

No. 1963919

>>1963900
These are so nice, thank you nonny. All of these make me wish i was a natural with rendering, but i struggle so much with it.

No. 1963950

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>>1963644
Joeyccoco's sketches are very inspiring to me, she makes me want to learn how to make my art as fluid and dynamic as hers

No. 1963955

>>1963950
This is awesome. I struggle so much making my figures dynamic. I cant find a balance between dynamic and three dimensional, they always end up looking like they are made out of noodles.

No. 1964116

>>1963592
I’m confused what you mean by this because both of those look like women to me. They don’t even have the typical bulldyke look either, they have longer cutesy anime hair and dress in clothes that show their curves. What would be an example of artists who “draw butch women without making them look like men” in your eyes?

No. 1964142

>>1963592
Why do anons now just parrot some stock response. It’s so tiring

No. 1964147

>>1963511
why do they have yaoi hands

No. 1964160

>>1963950
the way she exaggerated the ass and breast size is pretty shit, but it looks nice anyway.

No. 1964164

>>1964160
The whole body is exaggerated kek. The calves and feet are bigger, the arms are longer, the drawing is taller, etc…

No. 1964165

>>1963644
Toduring_, asoi00, descendinight, je_ahn96, jin_su00irum

No. 1964196

>>1963950
I love this so much.

No. 1964209

>>1964160
you should see how much she exaggerates/shoops her own photos

No. 1964234

File: 1713151448774.jpeg (11.63 MB, 4924x5719, IMG_2950.jpeg)

>>1963644
Jamie Hewlett but only his earlier gorillaz art, mostly phase 1. I’m a fan of interesting and bold shape language
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1e0DQmgBh7eb9aG87VsMmsCNgsuGHNjV6?usp=sharing

No. 1964473

>>1964209
post them, sounds milky

No. 1964621

wtf is a zine?

No. 1964682

File: 1713180505301.jpg (55.78 KB, 345x400, preview.jpg)

>>1964621
Zine short for magazine. It used to be some underground cheaply made indie book print solo/collab project. But now it's very high production fandom collaboration usually featuring fan art and or fanfic. The bigger ones usually have merch like prints, stickers, pins etc bundled in.

No. 1965272

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>>1963644
Ito Ogure.
Yeah, his work is borderline porn but I just love his style so much. Detailed but it doesn't feel cluttered.

No. 1967132

I wish there was a way to post your work while truly being anonymous. There's not even places where I could just anonymously place artwork in real life where I live. I don't really care about a following but I just want others to see my stuff. I like seeing other artists' work and I have social media which fulfills that. But I dont really care much about having a following of my own and having to upkeep on interacting and posting. It's just all so draining. I'm not one for niceties and never was. I don't care if the artists I follow don't like my comments, or comment back to me. I just want to see art and share art. I wish I had the ability to have some kind of kiosk somewhere where I could share little artsy things with people. Like those book stations people will put in their yard or on public places. Or like a tattoo dispensing machine in an eclectic store. I've seen art variations of both of those, and they seem so fun to me.

No. 1967140

>>1959998
>cheering on a pedotard thats gonna shoehorn pedoshit into every project he works on

No. 1967278

File: 1713356007929.jpeg (Spoiler Image,132.3 KB, 600x429, JJDsexx-7oaqWRdffVXt5htABUUhbL…)

>>1965272
He used to draw straight up porn manga back in the day as Oh!Great and it really shows in the way he draws tits.

His illustrations are really fun and he clearly enjoys what he does but I also feel as if it lacks… conviction, if that makes sense? Like he just draws whatever is hip? Sorry for sperging kek

No. 1967281

>>1967278
God im dumb i didnt mean to spoiler that, its just a drawing of two cute boys

No. 1967324

>>1967132
If you don't add your name to your social media account you'll be anonymous though? And you don't have to talk or interact with anyone. On basically all social medias you can choose not to receive private messages and turn off comments. On instagram you can even turn off likes and tumblr doesn't show follower numbers

No. 1967392

>>1967132
there are a lot of japanese artists who have no pfp, a shitty nonsensical name and just post art on their twitters and fuck off

No. 1967503

>>1967132
You are anonymous on the internet by default, unless you're posting to facebook.

No. 1968166

File: 1713389093357.jpg (129.56 KB, 722x900, 1000015749.jpg)

Do any of you suck at drawing on the tablet, and strictly draw on paper instead? Do you ever feel like you're "behind on the times" because you draw on paper instead of digitally like anyone else?

No. 1968175

>>1968166
No, I have the opposite problem where I'm so spoiled by my tablet that sometimes I get disturbed when I can't ctrl z or liquify on paper. Like I once tapped my paper to ctrl z because of the muscle memory from my hotkeys. I force myself to draw on paper just because I don't want to get too dependent on my tablet. For what it's worth, I wasn't very good with my tablet at first, and there were a lot of growing pains before I caught up to what I could do on paper. Anyways, you can always scan traditional art in a way that looks really clean and professional, so I don't think you have to worry about feeling behind the times. Also, I think traditional artists still have a strong niche and can actually stand out quite a lot from a sea of same-like digital art.

No. 1968208

>>1968166
if it makes you happy nona. Since my ipad came in, I only draw with pencils and pen for drawabox but otherwise it's strically digital. I don't got that whole precision study head you need for mistake free inking honestly. At least with digital software ctrl z is your friend. And don't many nonas draw trad? I think most women like tactile art mediums more than men but that's my assumption so do correct me if i'm wrong.

No. 1968210

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Kek Brujo Ari complaining about likes.

No. 1968332

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>>1963644
Looking at Q. Hayashida's work always motivated me. I love her sketchy artstyle, it's makes her work unique compared to other manga

No. 1968335

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No. 1968347

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does anyone have tips to get out of your comfort zone? i know the answer is ''just do eth'' but whenever i try to i always end up in an artblock. I would like to start making pieces with more elaborated composition, backgrounds and perspective.

No. 1968363

>>1968332
>>1968335
Wow! I love her style.

No. 1968431

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Why in the unholy fuck do tumblrinas and twitterfags love to DARKEN characters with light skin color when there are plenty of dark skinned characters in that exact franchise????
I put the characters drawn on the sides in picrel and I just don't get it. What purpose does this serve? I'm a poc and even I don't do this shit.

No. 1968437

>>1968431
Lack of personality, theory of mind or narcissism really. Rather scary if one can’t empathize with someone different from them or someone who doesn’t look like them. Conversely they are creatively bankrupt and want to make their own stories but recolor popular characters instead.

No. 1968444

>>1968431
They're probably farming twitter/tumblr points, it's been such a common thing for so many years that I can't even care anymore. Still, I'd wager these are the same people that slam their fists on the table when an asian artist draws Miles Morales with 0.02% lighter skin tone.

No. 1968446

>>1967140
neat robot art go brr

No. 1968492

>>1968431
why do you care? do you complain when people draw dark skinned characters lighter? probably not, right

No. 1968496

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ai artist denying ever using ai when its THIS blantant lmao

No. 1968497

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>>1968496

image it was stolen from

No. 1968499

>>1968496
Man at first glance you don’t notice but looking closer there’s so much weird unnecessary details

No. 1968502

>>1968496
people are so retarded if they are getting tricked by this shit. They are clearly cocomelon tier retards that cant look at something for more than 5 microseconds before getting bored.

No. 1968516

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>>1968496
Oh hey, I just saw this artist getting defended on my TL kek.

No. 1968532

>>1968492
NTAYRT but I do indeed get slightly peeved when someone race changes a character in either direction. It's not a big issue or anything but seeing it makes me immediately label the artist as either a tumblrina or edgelord (depending on which direction they take it). Also, in your example, the better comparison would be drawing a dark skinned character white. Because that is the concept that going on in anon's pic. Yeah, people would be pissed still.

No. 1968536

>>1968516
The kid has homunculus proportions

No. 1968539

i have no issue with ai art tbh i just wish they wouldn't lie about using it. or even call themselves "artists," "prompter" is a much better term

No. 1968546

where do the aicucks come from. AI is used by pedos to make realistic cp, how can you be okay with that.

No. 1968554

where do the knifecucks come from. knives are used to kill people, how can anyone use a knife. not like it’s just a tool devoid of inherent morality or anything. sharp edges are dangerous

No. 1968556


No. 1968561

>>1968554
this false equivalence assumes that ai can be used as a tool; it can't and will never be able to. It is a lazy cop-out

No. 1968564

>>1968561
kek retard

No. 1968566

>>1968564
nta but post something actually good made with AI.

No. 1968573

>>1968554
Exactly. Harming others with knives is a form of assault and illegal. Ai creations are a form of theft and use other people’s faces, voices, bodies, art without their consent. Just as people who assault others with knives should be in jail, those who create ai art deserve to be punished with lawsuits, blacklisting, and penalty fines. And people who create ai porn, using faces and voices of real women and children, should be jailed and publicly tortured then put to death.

No. 1968578

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>>1968554
No but some knives are illegal to own or carry on your person because they're intentionally made to harm people. AI in medical setting (with human moderation) would be incredible and possibly life saving if used to identity certain illnesses or defects that might go missed by the human eye, intentionally harming real people with it should be illegal and punishable.

No. 1968583

Requiem chevalier vampire's artwork looks so cool but I dont really want to read it

No. 1968587

>>1968583
i heard its edgy shit, but yeah the artwork is fucking amazing. It's kinda endearing because it's like what a 15yo boy in the 00s would think it's cool as shit. The designs are the epitome of edgelord.

No. 1968595

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>>1968587
I'm looking at panels on pinterest and it's so damn good. I like overly detailed ornate shit. The armour is top notch. Draculas armour goes hard. I don't mind if it's over the top, it reminds me of thores shibamoto's work for trinity blood, which is kind of funny since the stories are polar opposites.

No. 1968600

>>1968595
Wow the amount of detail in this the artist must have a patience of a saint to draw each detail so intricately

No. 1968604

>>1968600
As far as I know she's a woman and she's damn good.

No. 1968656

File: 1713420083791.jpg (68.4 KB, 500x659, raincat.jpg)

I'm 32 and I feel like I've completely aged out of the online art community. I don't see anyone under 35 making similar things to mine and they're all industry veterans, so it's not like I can befriend them online. Most artists on Reddit are just there to farm likes. Art discords are full of younger artists drawing anime or furry stuff. I can't get meaningful critique + I feel like a creep interacting with furries and anyone under 25. IRL connection won't happen because my city is full of banks and insurance companies and doesn't have an art scene.
I feel like there's nowhere for me to go. I'm so damn lonely.

No. 1968716

>>1968656
I feel you, nonnie. If it can offer some comfort, do you remember your childhood when you would spend hours drawing and drawing, with no internet communities to show your art to and interact with? Art centric social media and online communities have done a number on what it simply means to draw because you love to do so. If you think about it throughout the entirety of human history artists were mostly lonely beings who would work for hours on things almost no one would see, or on commissions for one single person that would hang in a hallway forever. There wasn't really a public artist community counting millions of people centered around sharing your art and farming likes like it is today, and yet people still wanted to make it. If you feel yourself losing touch with online art culture (and this is not your job) how about taking a step back and making art for yourself again for a bit, like when you were a child?

No. 1968722

>>1968656
What kind of work do you do and who are the industry veterans making work in your vein? They might be more approachable than you think and there may be more artists out there that you haven't discovered yet, as you yourself have probably been yet to be discovered by many others.

No. 1968743

>>1968166
with AI being everywhere it feels like us traditional artist are back into the role somewhat. Videos, be it long ones on yt or short reels/tiktoks of traditional art do quite well, people still like traditional mediums and see their value

No. 1968744

>>1968716
Thanks, I get what you're saying. At the same time I'm self taught and the only artist alive in my family. Grinding skills without interacting with other artists about the craft has taken it's toll on me. I was never into art for fame, I barely have 50 followers total for all the sites I'm on.

>>1968722
Commercial and editorial art; book illustrations, spot illustrations, etc. The only place I know of where early career professionals my age interact is the SVS Learn forums. Then again, it's really a hangout for children's book illustrators. Many of the artists there are competent, but that's not my area of focus.

No. 1968762

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>>1968166
>>1968743
I like digital but i can do things much more realistic traditionaly. Problem is nobody wants to buy traditional art and so all my time if filled with digital commissions. I'm not that hopeful about it changing.

I want to branch out into selling spiritual oilpaintings, seems like something that could sell at least a little bit, but i can't find the time to make them upfront in this economy.

No. 1968763

>>1968743
AI art might be status quo but it will never be normie friendly, everyone but nerds hate AI, and it will be that way until something happens that makes normies get into it like it has happened with all new stuff that simply gets normies interested, traditional art is normie friendly and will always be due to how long it has existed and how pretty much anyone can actually do it, unlike AI art.

No. 1968785

>1968763
>AI art might be status quo but it will never be normie friendly
Are you joking ai is by far the most normie "hobby" even when comparing traditional art which requires the know how of tools paper and mediums what does ai art require? Just fucking prompts and just typing a old boomer could do ai art is not on par on any art medium

No. 1968788

>>1968762
Build a following around spiritual stuff first, then do the paintings, you'll sell them pretty easily. If you want to charge appropriate amounts for your work get an older audience who has no problem splashing out on that stuff. Facebook is a good place to get started.

No. 1968868

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No. 1968878

>>1968868
The nipple made me laugh out loud. What IS that. Along from the extremely obvious AI jankiness on the straps.

No. 1968895

>>1968573
see that’s the thing, i can’t think of ai generations as stealing per se. datasets function in a way similar to human memory, and neural networks are basically brains. it isn’t a crime to have seen something once and be able to imitate it. i don’t think nickolodean is breaking down doors on people who can perfectly copy spongebob because they’ve seen him once or twice

i do agree that more laws and regulations need to be set up to avoid deep fakes and such but that’s also complicated, people have been photoshopping women nude since forever. not to play devil’s advocate but how exactly do you ban that

No. 1968897

>>1968868
The My Hero Academia drawing (left) is actually by Sakimichan

No. 1968904

>>1968895
nta but that if functions similarly to a brain on one level doesn't mean it should have the same freedoms as a brain. It's still a machine and it uses digital data. Processing human made computer data isn't on the same level as processing realty itself by brain. People need to keep that hierarchy in mind. Brains are still a big unknown to us unlike AI which only somewhat mimicks ONE function of a brain. It's just too ridiculous to me that people equate these things to a brain, makes me think these people never really thought about their own brains.

No. 1968922

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>>1968878
That's the sakimi-chan original kek

No. 1968926

Why does my hearing get worse when I have a cold?

No. 1968930

>>1968566
The way that they didn't reply KEK

No. 1968933

>>1968926
Wrong thread but sinuses clogged, pressure in your inner ear

No. 1968934

>>1968926
Your sinuses is connected to your ear so if your nose clogs so will your ear (or smthg like that)

No. 1968952

>>1959600
The word "moid" has become mainstream already, it's the new cool edgy thing to be a misandrist

No. 1969043

>>1968922
>>1968897
but what if that's also AI?

No. 1969046

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>>1968566
nta but pic related, also not mine
>>>/m/370484 so it counts.

No. 1969055

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>>1965272
Nonna I fucking love Oh!Great and I will forever seethe I never got his artbooks kek.
I love his sexy women and idc how 'coomerish" his designs are to others.
A lot of his art is so colorful and fun and his boys are great too
I was going through a rut , thanks for reminding me of him , time to get drawing

No. 1969058

>>1969055
This is kinda cute

No. 1969064

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>>1969058
his Air Gear illustrations basically scream FUN to me

No. 1969066

>>1969064
Ooh, can you post some more please? I like the quality

No. 1969067

>>1969055
I love oh great. I love how he draws water!! His stuff is nonsensical fun

No. 1969072

>>1969043
In 2019? Very unlikely

No. 1969097

>>1969046
If any artist made the mistake of having an entire braid disappear I'd think they were retarded.

No. 1969128

>>1969064
I didn’t realize he made that; I never completed the series but what I read I enjoyed. His character designs are fun, energetic and sexy.

No. 1969239

>>1968763
AI is incredibly normie friendly. Scrolling facebook of any older person, and their feed will be filled with AI generated religious pictures or landscapes or horrible AI graphic designs. They're not creating these images, but they're sharing them. Normies have never cared about internet art (they only consider art to be paintings hanging in a museum) and AI doesn't care about artists. Perfect match.

No. 1969243

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>>1969066
sure,I highly suggest looking up his stuff, he's also the artist for the Bakemonogatari manga
>>1969128
>His character designs are fun, energetic and sexy.
Yes, exactly! I adore his girls. Not a good story writer but visual candy 100%, I still wish air gear had a remake, would be so cool

No. 1969248

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>>1969243
spoilered for mild nudity, cute fish tho

No. 1969298

What site can I post a comic I'm making for fun? I don't really care if other people read it.

No. 1969303

>>1969298
use the rate art thread in m

No. 1969308

>>1969248
Haha no-nips

No. 1969336

>>1969303
I don't want my art rated I know it's bad and how to improve

No. 1969419

>>1969298
Tapas or Webtoon? You can also put it on any social media, customize a tumblr around it or make a neocities site for it.

No. 1969431

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>>1969066
An illustration he did for his art books.

No. 1969497

>>1968431
It's been a thing for the past 5+ years that no one cares to say anything or else you'll get >>1968492

No. 1969533

>>1969046
that isn't good, it looks like shit and you should be very ashamed of turning elsie into AIslop

No. 1969547

>>1968175
Do you have any advice for getting used to a tablet? I thought about doing some quick sketches once a day to get slowly used to it.
I'm not exactly new to digital art but I haven't touched it in years.
I have a really old non screen one.

No. 1969560

>>1969419
>>1969298
Tapas used to be good but now they took the kpop Korean manwha anime aesthetic too seriously and you see nothing else anymore

No. 1969562

>>1969243
Nice share. His clothing design is always fun, reminds me of Kubo’s work. Their clothes have detail that fit their personality.
>Bakemonogatari
Could never yet into the anime but I didn’t know he was the artist. I enjoyed what art I’ve seen from it.

No. 1969563

>>1969243
>he's also the artist for the Bakemonogatari manga
Ohh! Wow I didn't know that. I don't follow the series but I thought the guy who drew witch komugi or whatever was the official artist for everything, I forgot his name

No. 1969580

File: 1713469495450.gif (1.5 MB, 800x600, 163516.gif)

>>1969563
No, that's akio wanabe and he only did the designs for the anime.

No. 1969636

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Does anyone know if @okinawanogori was a student of KJG or just heavily inspired by him? his art is fucking insane, i love it. It feels like KJG but more polished.

No. 1969657

>>1969560
Does that matter though? Anon said she doesn't care if people see it

No. 1969695

>>1969046
We'd tear that to shit in this thread prior 2021 if it were made by a real person, with AIslop it's even worse. What the fuck is wrong with the keyboard, what game is she playing, why is her braid melded into into her neck? Also a human artists would have ecognised that Elsie's horns came out of her head, not a retarded strap.

No. 1969743

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>>1968868
oh fuck I didn't realize AI copied so exactly, i'm sure someone could line it up better but it was shocking to see all the lines are just literally copied over. I hate AI for obvious reasons but I still kinda thought AI was better at "mixing" stuff and not just copying so blatantly

No. 1970068

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Short of basically giving a character short her and male clothes, how do you make a female character look more masculine/tomboy if the setting is pre-modern or should I just rely on facial and body expressions alone?

No. 1970076

>>1969419
Thanks! I'll make a tumblr then.

No. 1970083

>>1970068
historical clothing always has like a million different elements/layers/details so maybe skipping most of it and having a character dress really basic might get it across, same with hair. maybe just adding masculine boots and headwear would also work?

No. 1970085

>>1970076
If you don't care if others see it then it's a matter of how you want the comic to look like and quality.
I know that you can upload non-vertical sliding on webtoons if that helps.

No. 1970098

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>>1970083
The clothes are already simple as is. I don't her to feel like she's sticking out like a sore thumb from the rest of the setting.
>headwear would also work
I'm worried that will make her look like a crossdresser

The biggest thing would be skipping jewelry
>maybe just adding masculine boots
I didn't think of that lol.

No. 1970099

>>1970068
Hairstyles are a shorthand way, like think of Arya from ASoIaF. In the book she was considered a tomboy because her hair was to her chin or shoulders which sounds like a modern style but at the time it was appropriate for a young boy while very long hair was for women. If you read Wheel of Time there’s a woman who is a tomboy and has a pixie cut-like style and wears capris and vests while the other female characters are in dresses, and she is still considered a woman despite her “odd” clothing choices.
>>1969743
From what I’ve seen I thought most AI just copied directly from the picture and frankensteined it from other images. It makes sense they’d yank the torso whole.

No. 1970138

>>1970068
check lady oscar, it's the best example of it. I remember the designer saying that they wanted oscar to look more masculine and taller than the women, but shorter and more feminine than the men.

No. 1970426

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>>1970138
Wouldn’t really work since it’s what I’m trying to avoid most
>>1970099
I feel like this sort of thing is easier when men and women have very different clothes. How would a designer show off a masculine or tomboy character in feudal Japan or Korea, both men and women have identical silhouettes

No. 1970507

>>1968922
That’s the original??? Jesus Christ.

No. 1970540

>>1970426
Is this character for a story? If so you're probably going to have to let the story do the heavy lifting.

No. 1970607

>>1970540
NTA but that's Lady Oscar

No. 1970688

File: 1713504464627.png (1.34 MB, 1080x1080, cece.png)

I really hate how boring my art is. I envy those artists that can play with colors, brushes and textures. Meanwhile whenever i try to color a sketch i ruin it.

No. 1970868

>>1968897
>>1968922

yeah ik it was included in the original post for comparison to the copy it was stolen from, like the others in that thread

No. 1970872

>>1970688
Why don’t you try to copy them?

No. 1970886

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>>1970426
>How would a designer show off a masculine or tomboy character in feudal Japan or Korea, both men and women have identical silhouettes
women are still smaller and have softer rounder features, men have wider shoulders and are larger with sharper features, and you can still play with body language. It's all in the details. quick edit of a stock image to show roughly what i mean

No. 1971095

Do any of you have advice on how to present a portfolio for internship applications? Should I just make a PDF with examples since I'm still in school/only have a couple pieces from employment?

No. 1971096

>>1970426
Maybe give her muscles/scars, I guess that would depend on the story. Visible leg hair and no makeup. A stronger posture, more masculine ways of moving. You can definitely distinguish a tomboy by how she takes up space and interacts with others, women are expected to be dainty, polite, and quiet back then.

No. 1971101

>>1971095
make a tumblr blog and keep it strictly professional (if you cant afford to buy a domain) or make a wordpress site for it with your name and contact details at top so its easy to contact you!, present your best work at top (or make some by stealing from common artist in your field only take tips!) and not so great at the bottom, change your portfolio style according to the company your applying for, state your best qualities and flaws(yes really) the more you show that youre communicative and flexible the better chances are for you to get hired, good luck nonna!

No. 1971109

>>1971095
I use artstation for my portfolio, but from what i heard pdf is also okay to use. I prefer artstation, because I can put additional stuff in one post (WIPs, other renders in case of 3D, etc.). It's also possible to have both pdf and some digital gallery as well.
Also this!: >>1971101

No. 1971126

>>1971101
>>1971109
Thank you. I am planning on using the summer to make a personal website/online gallery.

No. 1971188

File: 1713542199537.jpg (491.24 KB, 864x644, KNbyrml.jpg)

>>1969743
>>1970099
the guy who used AI to make that picture didn't txt2img the thing, he img2img the thing, which means he took the original MHA fanart and tried to change it via AI, it's quite lazier than regular txt2img which leads to believe the guy doesn't even know how to use the AI properly considering how much options txt2img has as of right now.
as far as i know there's no evidence of a txt2img output being identical to a drawing that already exists except the first and really bad version of NAI, remember that one, it was a mess so much for having the whole booru to train the model with because every pixel of the image an AI generates is composed of many different data the model is trained on, unless the model was really badly trained.
now this is a very bad rough job made with less than profesional tools people like him have access to but im sure his process was all too similar anyway.

No. 1971252

>>1971188
kek the growth out of his arm is making my skin crawl… i hate ai even more now

No. 1971270

>>1971101
>>1971109
>>1971126

There's also a carrd.co, which is way friendlier than Tumblr or Art Station.

No. 1971304

>>1970872
i want it to come naturally to me. But yeah i will try that

No. 1971444

>>1971095
You should ask other people in your program or professors/instructors. Tumblr sounds really unprofessional for a portfolio.

No. 1971557

>>1970607
I'm not talking about the picture

No. 1971663

>>1968166
yes nona! i've drawn traditionally for all of my life, but i got psyopped into buying a tablet because "all the popular artists on instagram draw digitally, nobody gives a fuck about pencil drawings anymore!" i need advice on how to get used to digital too, drawing on a tablet feels so stiff and painful

No. 1971743

>>1971663
nayrt but what tablet did you get nonna?
> how to get used to digital too
the only answer is practice , what exactly do you find stiff? is it the feeling of the pencil on the tablet?

No. 1971749

>>1971663
you have to keep at it, try doodling or doing practice exercises like gesture drawings on it to get used to it. maybe try playing with the settings of the pen too.

No. 1971765

Why is rendering to hard. I see artists create deep almost realistic rendering just from two or three values and i dont get it.

No. 1971915

>>1971663
Find a digital brush that feels natural to draw with. Adjust the settings, speed, opacity etc. until it doesn't feel stiff to draw with. I find that angled brushes feel the most natural to use, round brushes the most digital-feeling.

No. 1972234

File: 1713597898689.jpg (383.85 KB, 1280x804, Sandro_Botticelli_-_La_nascita…)

What's your stance on artists posting art AND personal stuff on their "official" social media accounts?

I always found it gross when artists openly post their porn preferences, be it men talking about hentai and anime boobs or women being fujos commenting how much of a twink uke a character is. It always makes me lose respect for them as an artist. I honestly feel grossed out even if the artist makes erotic or nude drawings themselves, I still don't want to hear about their sexual thoughts and preferences. I mean imagine if the guy who painted the classic birth of venus painting had left notes like "I painted it because I wanna hit it from the back hnng so sexy right fellas"

No. 1972240

>>1972234
>I always found it gross when artists openly post their porn preferences, be it men talking about hentai and anime boobs or women being fujos commenting how much of a twink uke a character is.
i assume if you are following these type of artists they are the kind to draw porn so i dont understand why you are surprised they are horny. I doubt a serious portfolio artist is going to act like this, sounds like something only nerds into fandom would do.

No. 1972242

>>1972234
You sound insane because it's easy to find strictly sfw artists that don't share that stuff but I get what you mean. I had to unfollow one of my favorites after she took the old man pill and couldn't shut the fuck up anymore about how much she wants to fuck wrinkly, saggy moids when she used to draw pretty buff men.

No. 1972245

>>1972242
>. I had to unfollow one of my favorites after she took the old man pill and couldn't shut the fuck up anymore about how much she wants to fuck wrinkly, saggy moids
those are the fucking worst, especially since they can never keep it to fiction they have to jump scare you by posting pics of 3DPDs too.

No. 1972259

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It's driving me crazy to struggle so much with construction. I have checked several books on the subject but i still can't understand how to properly construct figures. I can understand simple figures like vid rel, but once it goes into 3/4 or some crazy pose i am lost.

No. 1972264

>>1972259
god i need to get better i just want to draw women and mens torsos better. i got so used to 1 minute figure drawing that my poses seem better but the overall anatomy construction doesnt feel so good. faces are also so hard for me because i need to pick up a loomis or so book. this whole video felt like magic.

No. 1972267

File: 1713601907827.webm (2.85 MB, 640x720, 1596960028168.webm)

>>1972264
simon is a god at construction. Too bad he's an autistic scrote and uses his power to draw fanart of obscure cartoon waifus.

No. 1972270

>>1972259
This is impressive but that lower torso is that of a 12 year old. She looks like a teenage russian ice skater with anorexia. Seriously sus at why he's drawing adult women like children.

No. 1972271

>>1972270
what do you mean? looks like a woman to me

No. 1972272

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>>1972271
Usually adult women's chin-to-crotch proportions are 3 to 2.5 heads. In the drawing it's only 2 heads, making her head too big and her torso too short as is common with teenagers. The way the abdomen and navel are drawn also seem childish to me, and it's commonly seen with lolicon artists. The only thing that's not juvenile is the breasts, if I were to give him the benefit of the doubt then it's a very petite young woman with an unusually childish navel (which does happen in adults).

No. 1972273

>>1972272
he mostly draws super stylized cartoons so it makes sense he fucked up the proportions. also how the fuck do you know how lolicons draw navels, ew.

No. 1972274

>>1972271
Nta but nonnie is right that does seem like he referenced it off a teen or a child especially considering the proportions it doesn't look like a stylized woman

No. 1972275

>>1972273
Growing up online in the 2000s without parental supervision, my nonnie. At least websites actually have tools to avoid that shit now and it's more stigmatized now. However I cannot unsee what my impressionable brain saw and can smell a loli or shotacon artist a mile away.

No. 1972276

>>1972275
>it's more stigmatized
I feel like it's more normalized now tbh

No. 1972284

>>1972240
Not exactly the same but I was following a woman who made cute clay sculptures and tapped out after she made dinosaur sculptures with penis heads.

No. 1972286

>>1972259
It sounds like you just don't have enough practice. If you don't know what shape a ribcage is supposed to be you won't be able to draw it from different angles. Just looking at the way other artists do it won't help, you need to actually do it yourself and you need to do it often so it can become second nature. How did you "check several books"? Did you just look at them or did you copy them as well? And did you then apply those principles by maybe tracing the shapes over photos or did you just go straight into freehanding it?

No. 1972287

>>1972270
I draw lower torsos similar to that what about it is childlike?
I'm not being passive aggressive I just seriously hope I'm not drawing in a red flag way

No. 1972301

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>>1972287
Here's a reference of an adult woman in a similar upright front-facing position. Usually, at that weight and even without muscle, most women's rectus abdominal muscles are clearly demarcated as you can see in picrel. The belly button, placed in-between the rectus abdominal muscles, is vertically elongated.

Lack of demarcation between rectus abdominal muscles is a feature of children and young teenagers, their abdomens are "flat" with the belly button sitting on top. The belly button is also more round and may have an "outie" appearance, like in the original speedpaint.

Both factors combined give me the impression he either referenced a child for the speedpaint, or referenced a man and transposed the typical male lower abdomen onto the female figure.

No. 1972303

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>>1972301
Samefag: here's what I mean by typical male lower abdomen. Compare picrel to the speedpaint.

Transposed on a female figure who is already petite, the male lower abdomen gives the impression she's a child.

No. 1972306

>>1972240
>i assume if you are following these type of artists they are the kind to draw porn
Nope, it's nearly every single male artist I used to admire who drew normal art. The guy who got hired for that live action pokemon movie comes to mind, he just draws like realistic dinosaurs but kept thirst posting about hentai so I unfollowed him
>>1972242
>You sound insane
>but I get what you mean. I had to unfollow one of my favorites
You're equally insane then nona

No. 1972336

>>1972234
It's only based if women do it, I want to see and follow women who think the same way I do but a lot of artist even in this site already hide their thoughts as much as possible to avoid getting into drama.

No. 1972348

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what books or artists are good to learn basic shapes and body composition from? I still struggle with this

No. 1972356

>>1972348
Morpho maybe? Overall I’d just suggest using a real model or photographs of people instead of art if you’re having a hard time

No. 1972386

>>1972306
>male artist
There's your problem kek

No. 1972461

>>1972348
Constructive Anatomy by George B. Bridgman, but if you want to get more into hands i suggest Drawing Dynamic Hands by Burne Hogarth.

No. 1972594

>>1972267
isn't that head way too big?

No. 1972613

>>1972594
not really. its a cartoon.

No. 1972634

>>1972594
It is. And I have no idea what's going on with the right arm. Even cartoon proportions have to balanced, so if it ends up looking wrong it is wrong.

No. 1972734

>>1972301
>>1972303
>>1972259
I think there's more to it than that. I think he's using the male body as the baseline bc of the hips. The comparisons you made with the woman and David statue shows this really well. He's drawn the hips high on the woman, yet elongates the pelvis. There are women who have a very short transition from the floating ribs to the pelvis but the pelvic region isn't as long as it is in men because our pelvises are shorter. But now im afraid i stupidly gave all my women male pelvises. I'm double checking my drawings to see if I've drawn them correctly. I feel like a complete retard.

No. 1972737

>>1972734
Does it matter thought? it really doesn't look bad and unless you are aiming for extreme realism it doesn't matter

No. 1972738

>>1972734
this site is nitpick central so it does matter to some people kekkkk

No. 1972741

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>>1972737
The fucking site glitched for me and now it's fucking mirrored it's so difficult to read.
Technically no, most people won't notice and the figure still looks good. But it's just one of those complex things that I'm now going to obsess over.
Pic is similar to how I draw women and it's also obvious.

No. 1972743

>>1972741
>The fucking site glitched for me and now it's fucking mirrored it's so difficult to read.
use incognito
>Technically no, most people won't notice and the figure still looks good. But it's just one of those complex things that I'm now going to obsess over.
Pic is similar to how I draw women and it's also obvious.
do you draw realism nonny? maybe i am blind but the only difference i see is that the head is biggest and the naval is lower.

No. 1972744

>>1972737
NTA but understanding (male and female) anatomy benefits all artists, even those who don't draw in hyperrealism.

No. 1972745

>>1972744
I get it, but i feel like most artist have unrealistic anatomy anyways.

No. 1972749

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Incoming vent but god whenever I see this channel in my recommendations I immediately grit my teeth because she has a huge case of Dunning-Kruger's and her redraws are basically just "redrawing some /beg/'s work in my own style to show off how much more talented I am", not helpful advice on how to improve your composition and fundamentals. The rest of her content is basically "roasting" peoples' art and "don't do this!!!!" videos, I really can't stand how salty crabs like this are the first step most people take when getting into art as a hobby and they learn this horrible attitude from people like her. Her own art is the really generic kind of dated late 00's vaguely Disney-like commercial art of skinny samefaced pin-up girls that leaves absolutely no impact so yeah guess you have to get the personality by other means.

No. 1972750

>>1972749
samdoesart and that other artist did irreparable damage to the artstyles of million of modern artists

No. 1972753

>>1972750
I don't know what it is about Samdoesarts that his style fucks me up so bad, it's like it triggers a rage switch in my brain and I can't really comprehend why. His rendering skills are exquisite but it's all wasted on pinups of samefaced Disney girl slop instead of something profound. The expressions and faces he draws makes everything look like Belle Delphine to the point I'm really suspecting that he's using her selfies as references.

No. 1972754

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>>1972741
Don't beat yourself up too much about it nonnie, even Michelangelo wasn't immune to this. He basically stapled breasts to male figures and called them women, kek.

I guess this shows be mindful of the gender of the artist you're studying from, they might have a good understanding of their own anatomy but not the opposite one.

No. 1972762

>>1972753
>His rendering skills are exquisite
i hate how he paints, he paints skin like its plastic

No. 1972771

>>1972743
Thank you.
I just do lineart, I'm not good at much else. I like to study forms but I'm not serious about anything. though I looked at my drawings and they do indeed have elongated pelvises
The only way I could explain it is what I've already said. But if you look at the photo of the woman>>1972301
you can see the protrusion of her Illiac crest. If you compare it to the David statue>>1972303
it sits far lower to where David's sits. Comparing the height of her pelvis to the pic I shared shows the elongation. Her crotch would sit much further up than how he has drawn it.

No. 1972833

>>1972749
this girl is the skill level i’d expect the artists who genuinely seethe at samdoesarts and rossdraws to be at. not a beg but mediocre skills, not hideous but unappealing style, can easily impress normies by doing redraw images of celebs, tries to cover her shitty understanding of 3d shapes with stylization. just forgettable overall

No. 1973123

Any of you wonderful bitches use PureRef? I think that it's becoming my go-to cramming all of my tutorials onto a single canvas.

No. 1973250

>>1972749
You can just tell who works exclusively in the mainstream animation industry, the ego drips from their skin. They view their Disney-esque flat styles as the only way to design characters. Maybe it's just the result of corporations sucking the creativity out of them.

No. 1973393

I want to get in the mood to draw and it's pissing me off how many "how to" videos there are on youtube. I don't want some fool lecturing me on how to draw, I want that fool drawing! And yes I'm picky and won't just choose anything. I want something that fits with my "vibe" right now.

No. 1973554

>>1973393
All these videos make me not want to draw.

No. 1973715

>>1973123
I've been using it for years and I like it so much that I paid for it even though it's free, to support the creators

No. 1973739

>>1972749
>whenever I see this channel in my recommendations I immediately grit my teeth because she has a huge case of Dunning-Kruger's
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels like this. Every time I watch anything by her I end up feeling like she missed several points of a design and just changed it to her own style as if it's somehow better. Youtube keeps pushing her vids/shorts on me

No. 1973776

File: 1713708071940.jpeg (22.62 KB, 692x607, IMG_5275.jpeg)

>drawing a comic based off some show or manga I read is ezpz
>drawing a comic for a class where I have to write an original story and characters makes me want to rip my hair out and put off working on it for weeks
I regret my choice so much but I thought it'd be a fun challenge

No. 1973930

>>1973123
Thank you because I've been looking for something exactly like this. Do you know of anything similar in app form?

No. 1973963

>>1973393
Look for "draw with me"s then? I know ayeoops makes some if you want someone who speaks english. You can also check out art streamers. A lot of them are like rinotuna and stay silent but there are a few that talk

No. 1973999

>>1973123
I’ve used Photostickies for as long as I’ve had my laptop

No. 1974083

>>1973930
nta, but i use vizref on my ipad

No. 1974131

>>1973963
I'm really picky and I want to see someone paneling a comic. But whenever I look up comic paneling it's always how to shit that I don't care for.

No. 1974140

>>1974131
Yeah I'll be honest you're very unlikely to find what you're looking for.

No. 1974165

>>1974140
Yeah i know, my post was a vent, youtube has pretty shit content right now. I guess I'll just watch prickly alpaca, I like her designing series and when she makes crafts. It's upsetting that Dina norlund passed.

No. 1974207

>>1974131
Look up "draw with me comic" and search a bit, there are some so maybe you could find what you're looking for. And then you can find similar videos from there, the youtube search itself has sadly become absolute shit. Or check out urasawa naoki no manben, it's more documentary style but it does show the process of different manga artists

No. 1974282

File: 1713736772347.jpg (2.49 MB, 1346x1800, 208084fgsdl.jpg)

How do you muster the strength to finish pieces when you are begginer?
>>1973123
i dl it and i realized i cant use it because my mouse wheel broke. Ofcourse i could ctrl+ but that's super tedious.

No. 1974285

>>1974282
Something I do is draw with friends, I send them some silly "make an OC with me!!" Videos and then get inspired by their stuff. I also like to have playlists with music that just fits, it helps me a lot with keeping on being inspired. And I like to make gifts, or get requests from people from time to time, it gives me a date to finish whatever I'm doing so I feel a bit pressured to just do so.
I don't draw or write often though, so I don't know if that's making me feel burnt out.

No. 1974294

>>1974285
sadly all of my friends stopped drawing. How do you come up with compositions?

No. 1974298

>>1974294
While listening to the music I imagine a frame in the music video I create in my mind, then I look for pose references, and then I pick a picture from magazines or photoshoots that I can find and kind of match the pose, and then I try to make it look as close as possible to the picture I have in mind, if that's not possible I try to figure out how I would photograph someone to represent that music video, and look for more references with the angles of the picture I imagine.
I'm an extreme beginner though so this all surely sounds like bullshit, but it's the process I have to make stuff that kind of makes sense.
For abstract stuff I just listen to the same song a few times until I have a clear picture of what notes or sections I want to illustrate or put more emphasis on.
I don't color stuff because I suck at coloring though, I don't understand color so everything is in grayscale or I add a tiny little bit of color.

No. 1974335

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Is it possible to get really good at art as a hobbyist? How do other hobby artists who want to improve practice without guidance from a professional? I wish i could go to one of those chinese artchools.

No. 1974346

>>1974335
Yes, you just have to enjoy it, you'll get even better results if you don't think of what you're doing as art.

No. 1974352

>>1974346
but how do you notice your mistakes without a teacher telling you?

No. 1974389

>>1974352
If you don't notice anything wrong yourself, there is no problem. If you notice something wrong yourself, you correct it.

No. 1974391

>>1974352
There’s heaps of online communities where you can post your art and gain constructive criticism, but you need to really look around for the good artists, and you should probably say that you’re seeking criticism.

It took me a while to find the right sort of community (there is a lot of bullshit you have to sift through), but my art has improved rapidly because of it. I believe in you nona.

No. 1974404

>>1974352
you need to develop your eye through practice and developing a mental library of references

No. 1974406

>>1974391
Can you give the names of those sites? please nonny

No. 1974420

>>1974406
Nta. At the end of the day, even if you are a genius, it all boils down to work, you already wasted an hour on seeking advice from strangers.

No. 1974426

>>1974420
it was my coffee break after doing some figure drawing studies.

No. 1974432

>>1974426
You are working hard, i'm rooting for you.

No. 1974435

File: 1713746455998.png (16.78 KB, 128x128, tired.png)

>>1974432
thanks, i have been trying to figure whats wrong with the face for the past hour

No. 1974440

>>1973250
>Disney-esque flat styles
Can you post an example

No. 1974454

>>1974440
Nta but the post she replied to is one.

No. 1974458

Been thinking about making a twitter account to post my art, I mostly just wanna keep track of my progress and share some fanart. What's twitter like? I have never used social media so i only know about it from cherry picked posts that get posted here…is it really that awful?

No. 1974466

>>1974458
idk about other nonas, but i made an account recently, have done everything i could, posted some stuff (with trendy hashtags even) and literally get zero views. Not to mention likes. it sucks. but i got like 10 bot accounts following me, which is even worse than nothing. and my art is not that bad.
i know you have to get retweets from larger accs and all that kinds of shit, but i think it was way easier before, idk

No. 1974482

>>1974466
are you sure you arent shadow banned?

No. 1974487

>>1974458
don’t want to rain on your parade but it’s mostly just soft porn, actual porn, weeb jap shit that gets retweeted and a lot of likes among AI spams made by braindead scrotes playing artist with chatGPT. fanart will always be the most popular art that’s liked and retweeted so maybe you can try that but it’s not bad if you avoid the faggots and you can tell which ones to avoid because of their bios, just don’t make your personal likes visible and separate your personal views on another page and never post it on your art page, even views related to art it just never goes well.

No. 1974489

>>1974352
you have to train your own eye. compare your work to references, or similar works and see what they did vs. what you did. Flipping the canvas digitally is a trick people use to see mistakes too.

No. 1974490

>>1974487
thanks, my art is shit so i am really not expecting to develop a following. I just want to track my progress and encourage myself to draw more.

No. 1974491

>>1974458
making a deviantart might be better, can see and organize your work and get occasional random likes and interaction.

No. 1974496

>>1974458
twitter users are not respectful towards artists tbh, they thrive on baiting and drama and it's been that way since 2013. i'd say it has worsened since introducing quote tweets. also twitter users don't have the culture of watching an artist improve and being supportive of them (like i remember dA having), they are too dedicated to avoiding being "cringe", instead they want instant good quality illustrations from an established artist that follows style trends. i would suggest a dedicated art-posting site to truly suit your needs of tracking and improving.

No. 1974502

>>1974491
>>1974496
are there art sites left that arent pixiv/DA? i refuse to use those sites because they bent down to the AIcucks.

No. 1974524

>>1974352
/ic/ is actually good. i've gotten some good redlines and constructive critque from there. i also grew up on /a/ so the overwhelming hordes of coomshit don't bug me too much, cute guy study general is also great.

No. 1974526

>>1974524
are there good artists left on /ic/? i dont see the point in looking for art critique from people that either don't draw or draw like shit.

No. 1974562

>>1974502
Sheezyart came back and is anti-AI but is also filled to the brim with furfags. Registration is a matter of timing/luck on top of that. Do art daily is an offshoot site from ic but actually focused on said title (a lot of coomshit, but it's required to be marked NSFW so you won't randomly stumble across it unless you specifically click through).
At this point it's better to make a personal site if your goal is progress and record keeping rather than interaction.

No. 1974586

>>1974562
Why is every single western art site post DA infested with furries and not much else? this has been my experience every single time. I wonder if it's a loop where they infest it and other artists like me are then turned off from using it or quit early so it stays furry only.

No. 1974588

>>1974562
sheezyart looks neat, a shame it seems to be mostly kids posting there. I will make a twitter and keep it private, i am too lazy to learn how to make a neocities page right now.

No. 1974593

>>1974458
Does anyone else here post their art on Bluesky?it's wayyy better than Twitter that's for sure.lots of furries and troons tho

No. 1974597

>>1974593
Bluesky is absolute dogshit, it won't even let you private accounts and your block list is public. It's actually twitter but worse and every artist that moved there trying to convince you that it's better is too far gone and used to twitters shit functionality. Tags won't even work properly and it's all coomer furfags.

No. 1974608

>>1974586
imo furries have always been more into the social aspect of art sites than a lot of other fandoms/subcultures because of how closely they identify with their work, it’s not just art it’s the only way they can actually “be” their fursona or whatever and they thrive off getting validation from other furries in that way. when I did furry art as a teen they were always more likely to comment and engage than the people that followed me for other subject matter. just my theory

No. 1974610

>>1974597
With the amount of troons I've blocked just for being gross troons I could never be on blusky then, I'd get cancelled in a heartbeat by my woke mutuals kek

No. 1974655

File: 1713768282051.png (3.82 MB, 4096x3652, 3D.png)

Whats your opinion on using 3D assets in art? A friend rt this and I was impressed by how well drawn the guns are, I checked his twitter and it turns out he uses a lot of 3D for stuff like backgrounds and props. I was a bit dissapointed, but also impressed because it doesn't look as bad as those webtoon clip studio 3D asset flips.

No. 1974658

>>1974655
It looks "fake" to me. I don't mind it in games, but as static art it doesn't feel right for some reason

No. 1974661

File: 1713769639463.jpg (1.18 MB, 2361x3506, GCrjGPxacAAhRdU.jpg)

>>1974655
It doesn't look out of place here because it's all rendered the same but copying any 3D asset closely can lead to a lifeless look because they can't move the way things do in reality. I prefer when artists draw everything themselves because I feel like you can tell they placed it purposefully and didn't just rotate a model around until it sort of matched the angle of the rest of the drawing

No. 1974662

>>1974661
who's the artist this looks awesome?

No. 1974668

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>>1974662
goatdraw on twitter! I really admire his skill, his drawings always motivate me to study myself

No. 1974669

>>1974662
found it, it's goatdraw. His(her? it has pronouns in bio) art is pretty amazing. A shame they seem to have gone the patreon sell out way and mostly draw ugly popular waifu pinups now. I am a bit salty they are my age too.

No. 1974671

>>1974668
His trad art is amazing. Reminds me a bit of KJG. Has he ever told how he got that good?

No. 1974679

>>1974435
Post it, maybe we can help you.

No. 1974680

File: 1713771936062.jpg (1.41 MB, 4032x3024, EmUZY71U4AE-SWX.jpg)

>>1974669
He hasn't posted on patreon since 2022 and doesn't post much on twitter anymore either. The last posts are commissions but his older stuff has a lot of waifus as well, I had no idea kek I followed him for his trad studies and croquis

>>1974671
Guessing it's lots and lots of drawing in general while continuing fundies on the side and always expanding outside of the comfort zone. The earliest media post twitter shows is this comic announcement from 2020 when he would've been 18 and it doesn't look amateurish so he's probably been practicing for years at that point. Iirc KJG himself has said that he's literally always doing it when he has free time so the secret really is just drawing kek

No. 1974681

>>1974458
I don't blame the other anons for being so cynical, as I've dealt with weirdos on it too, but I think posting on twitter is a good idea. At the end of the day, it's free. I started by posting fanart of niche things I like, and grew from there. I found friends, my husband, and work through it. After you reach 10k or so, it's better to close DMs and be completely detached, that site breeds stalkers for some reason.

No. 1974682

I want to fanart the ships I really loved as a child, but some of them contain characters that are under 18. I just want to draw the characters holding hands and maybe kissing, as I don't like NSFW (and the lore really makes it so none of the characters have genitals).
There's no way for me to do this and upload it to an online gallery without getting lynched is it? I just want to do a kind of tribute to my old self, you know?

No. 1974684

>>1974679
I posted it on the /m/ thread >>>/m/372713 I really struggle drawing faces so any help is appreciated.

No. 1974685

>>1974655
In this world of AI, I think using 3d assets are the least of artist's problem. So long as they trace it and render it similarly to how everything else is rendered, then it shouldn't be too much of an issue.
>>1974593
>lots of furries and troons tho
Isn't Kero the Wolf on there? That should be an immediate red flag if it's closed and invitation only, yet he is on there.

No. 1974686

>>1974682
There are moids posting hardore lolishit on all social media, i dont think anyone would care about harmless cute ship fanart.

No. 1974695

>>1974682
If it's not nsfw and you don't develop an insane fixation on it you'll be fine (and even a fixation might be negligible if you don't give "weird vibes" as zoomers say kek). Maybe you can also put that you wanted to revisit something from your childhood into the caption. I only remember one occasion where some artist I can't remember was getting dogpiled for a piece implying usagi and the guy having sex but nothing came of it

No. 1974697

>>1974695
>usagi and the guy having sex
usagi from sailor moon? she has sex in the manga lol or at least its implied

No. 1974699

>>1974697
Isn't she like a mom to chibiusa? I hope they aren't explicit with it. Sorry never watched/read sailor moon

No. 1974700

>>1974682
Depends, what ships are you talking about?

No. 1974702

>>1974699
>I hope they aren't explicit with it.
its anime you know how it is

No. 1974720

Do you think it's bad to have OCs based on stereotypes if they aren't meant to be serious/harmful? For context, i am an hispanic(not mexican though) americanboo, and i have an OC that's an steretypical american girl from the 50s, and another who's a mexican lolita narco(yeah i know its cringe, kek). My friends like them a lot, but they are scrotes so they are less sensitive to things like that. I wouldn't give a shit if they were scrotes, but since they are my only female OCs i want to know what you nonnies think.

No. 1974726

>>1974700
Well, an example would be a 16 year old homunculus with a 10 year old android. Sounds ridiculous on paper, but the artists pulled a Jojo and made the android buff as shit like a grown man. But the problem is a lot of people that are vaguely invested in harassing folks love to point out the homunculus's age (she just looks like a typical anime girl) whenever someone ships her with the protagonist, who is a 200 year old android. The fandom is pants on head retarded.

No. 1974731

>>1974720
I'd argue it depends on how hilariously offensive you get with stereotypes. If they're not serious or harmful, I think most people ignore it.
There was a time when tumblr turned Homestuck trolls into humans and did some rather… interesting things with their races.

No. 1974736

>>1974731
>There was a time when tumblr turned Homestuck trolls into humans and did some rather… interesting things with their races.
do tell, i never used tumblr.

No. 1974746

>>1974720
>Do you think it's bad to have OCs based on stereotypes if they aren't meant to be serious/harmful?
100% not bad as long as it's genuinely not meant to be harmful. Will you still get harassed for it? Possibly, but you can't really get cancelled unless you let people cancel you (especially as a small hobby artist). If you ignore it they get bored and quickly find a new target anyway. It's always going to be easier to get away with it if you're part of the nationality/ethnicity. A lot of the time it's fine if people who get outraged easily straight up hate you, you don't have to pander to that crowd at all. Not everyone will love you, so what. They're the ones who should learn to block and move on.

No. 1974748

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>>1974736
It's not as bad as it used to be, and things seem to have been scrubbed, but it was like a race for who gets to be The Most Inclusive with their headcanons regarding the characters of the comic. The author made a joke about something I'm not going into detail and blatantly said they were all CAUCASIAN (the humans) but then the comic got edited and that panel probably doesn't exist anymore. Aliens with hijabs, cleft paletes, vitiligo, extremely racist versions of Día de los Muertos (had a friend rant to me about how white kids on tumblr were gatekeeping the holiday… idk I'm mixed with so much shit I can't say anything about it personally.) Very colorful days. All of that shit is scraped as blogs are dead or inactive, but there are some specks of it remaining. Picrel is just a quick search I did just now.

No. 1974751

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>>1974748
samefag but there was a character who was named Dave Strider and I think he was at the pinnacle of it all, since he was colored white but really liked rap music. He's sitting on the car with the pure white hair. Picrel is how he actually looks.
Please ask me more about Homestuck artists that shit was so fucking funny to witness.

No. 1974752

>>1974748
I am actually impressed by top rigth, whats her twitter? that one feels like it's done by someone that actually cares. The other ones are so obviously meant to have as many flags and nationalities as possibly, i genuinely cant tell what half of those flags are supposed to mean.

No. 1974755

>>1974751
Can you explain to me how this shit became so popular in the first place? i genuinely don't get it.

No. 1974757


No. 1974759

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>>1974755
I'm the worst person to ask about that part of the comic, but it started for me, personally, with really REALLY good artists (that probably are employed someplace fancy) shitting out fanart. Fanart that made no sense but it was so fancy with its coloring, it makes you want to know why they keep posting it. And then you check a page and it is (or isn't) to your liking. Ends up being funny. Has TobyFox music in it, and it was before Undertale. Animated panels. Simple art. Dumb memes. A good time I think?
It's a combination of factors but I'm more than positive it was due to really good artists shilling it in ways that intrigued the people who followed them.

No. 1974762

>>1974759
I swear i tried to get into it but it was so unappealing to me. I agree there are tons of amazing HS artists. There is this one who draws semirealistic HS characters and is kinda schizo, her art is amazing but has an incredibly obnoxious layout. I still hate homestuck for ruining western fandom.

No. 1974765

>>1974762
>her art is amazing but has an incredibly obnoxious layout
Fruitegg perhaps?
>I still hate homestuck for ruining western fandom.
Oh those crackhead fans absolutely became a sort of cancer that spread across various fandoms. Nothing's fun anymore because of them and their spawns.

No. 1974767

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>>1974762
In my eyes, the only good thing that the Homestuck fandom did was inspire OFF

No. 1974768

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>>1974765
>Fruitegg
yes!! her art is insanely good. Makes me sad her talent is being wasted on cookie cutter low budget american animation.

No. 1974793

>>1974502
Wait, Pixiv allows AIshit? That's a huge bummer.

No. 1974797

>>1974482
i've checked and from what i understood i'm not shadowbanned, but even if i am i really have no idea what to do. I don't post anything explicit, just safe stuff, studies, things similar to what i get on my timeline… And just nothing, zero views.
It sucks because another platform i frequently posted on also fucked up their algorithms too and my art gets maximum one tenth of the views i got there before. So disappointing.

No. 1974812

>>1974755
At the time (and until now I suppose) it was the only webcomic to ever feel like a WEB comic. It wasn't just static images with an occasional GIF, it was fully fashioned to feel like a web project, you read chat logs between the characters instead of dialogue bubbles, it had playable parts and so on. It was originally done in MS Paint and continued staying in binary MS Paint style, the super simple character sprites contrasted with really detailed landscapes and world building. When the humor hit, it really hit. The universe was this mix of alien space brutal society and nostalgic internet crap. It reminded me of a Super Nintendo RPG.

The fandom being shit-awful was a result of how unaccessible the story was if you weren't willing to do a LOT of reading. You couldn't skim the exposition on comic pages, you had to read the full 20 page chat log between the characters. I remember people saying it was longer than War and Peace or something. A vast majority of the active fandom admitted to not reading logs but getting summaries off wikis and tumblr posts.

No. 1974829

>>1974767
Homestuck inspired off? I thought it was an earthbound clone

No. 1974877

>>1955457
that artist is a woman?

No. 1974878

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what…?

No. 1974880

>>1974878
Are they depressed?

No. 1974889

>>1974878
The 2024 looks better to me, it just has almost no rendering and has less clothing details/accessories. Why do so many artists keep doing "my art then vs my art now" posts that are a fully rendered piece vs a 20 minute sketch? Then they act surprised when they have a bunch of comments saying the old one looks better I'm not saying specifically this artists, I've really seen this happen multiple times.

No. 1974895

>>1974878
2015 more soulful, don’t like the baby face trend in anime but 2015 is cuter and it would have evolved into something pleasant instead of going into the minimalist route with their rendering.

No. 1974909

>>1974878
>being unique vs conforming to the mob
They still can implement the old style into the new one it always sucks to see a artist fall into the generic artstyle and forgo their uniqueness so they can earn money or just hoping on a trend ( like artists copying ai style so it's undisguiseable from real artists)

No. 1974957

>>1974829
No, it didn't. OFF predates Homestuck, and according to its own creator his most important inspiration was Killer7, not Earthbound or Yume Nikki.

No. 1974962

>>1974878
they are proud they have transformed all of their women into flat chested trannies that weebs seem to love.
>>1974889
i disagree, there's enough detail in the 2024 one to understand that it's a shitty minimalist remake of the far superior 2015 drawing.

No. 1974979

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>>1974797
When I reactivate or make a new twitter account it usually takes a bit before I get a notification saying it's fully unlocked like picrel. Did you get that already? On my last account I was only posting and liking for the first few days and then it happened after I began following and retweeting. If you don't already have some followers from another account it will be easier to get some attention by posting fanart (mentioning whatever it is of in the caption so people can actually find it over the search) or jumping on trendy hashtags, memes or challenges

No. 1974984

>>1974588
I'm on there as well as my friends and so far we've met plenty of adults. Honestly I wish it would just stay for adults.

No. 1974993

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Ang Vondra posted a another new video where she's larping as one of her two alien shota boyfriends along with the most grating cartoon boy voice possible

No. 1974996

>>1974962
flat chested = tranny? Uh, nonnie

No. 1975002

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>>1974993
Why the hell is she trying to reinvent Shmorky’s klurfs

No. 1975008

>>1974996
oh come on, don't act like they wanted to remake that character as flat chested to respect body diversity or not look like a pervert, they clearly wanted to appeal to trannies and you know very well the bigger part of art twitter is trannies who can't self insert as a woman with actual female anatomy.

No. 1975012

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>find cool Chinese? artist
>"lemme check their other work!"
>gets greeted by this
Degeneracy truly knows no bounds nor cultures, are there any other artists besides her which have a similar artstyle that i can follow?there's period blood

No. 1975015

>>1974979
no, i don't think i had that pop up. Thanks nonny, i'll try to repost some stuff and do some fanart as well. Although, i am already able to dm people, but maybe the account is still not unlocked.

No. 1975024

>>1975012
>spoiler
oh, that's what that is, i thought she had simply shit her pants lmao

No. 1975026

>>1975012
Didn't expected to see rusreal oc art by chinese artist. Thanks for rec!
It could be not a period blood considering the description…

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No. 1975055

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>takes break from drawing for a year or two don’t remember when i stopped
>starts drawing again, art looks considerably better than before

anyone know the reason behind this?

No. 1975056

>>1975055
Idk but it happens a lot. Even taking a week off is enough. It happens with video games and other stuff too. I think taking time off let's your brain process what it learned in peace instead of being constantly bombarded by new things related to a subject.

No. 1975061

>>1975055
Basically what >>1975056 said. Your brain learns to recognize patterns and gets to process information and form relations in peace when you take longer breaks. There are people who draw like madmen every day yet develop at a snail's pace or not at all, and then there are people who stop drawing for 6 months and return with a impressive results.

No. 1975066

>>1975026
>could not be period blood
Tayrt I feel ….. so much worse now.. also warning for those nonnies who may check her out she has drawn cuntboy shit and seems like she's into blood? Shit? Alot I'd recommend staying away but each nonnie to their own

No. 1975068

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>>1975012
>looked into media
>hypercurves moidgaze
Classic art salt thread unwritten motto proved again and again.
>The best artists are always some flavour of degen.

No. 1975079

>>1975056
>>1975061
thanks nonners, makes more sense

No. 1975087

>>1975066
There's also some pedoshit? I didn't look closely to each piece, girl looks so small.. Artist seems to be stuck in edgy phase and admitted to be in depression. Hope she outgrows it and recheck her profile image.

No. 1975094

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>>1975012
What a waste, seems like their skill degraded with time as well. Also drawing noncon "cuntboy" (disgusting and frankly a pathetic and desperate attempt at being an edgelord). Seems like being a degenerate rots your brain and takes away skill.
Forgot to attach picrel

No. 1975106

>>1975002
Imagine some klurfs allowed to grow leg hair, would be embarassing to see the ones with darker hair than their skin among the category lmfao

No. 1975179

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Just watched half a drama video where they explained why it was so hurtful to jokingly call jaiden animations "goth mommy" and draw her yassified because "she's aroace and hates being sexualized!!!". On one hand it's really sad how women have to pretend to be asexual chaste virgins for people to accept they don't like being sexualized, but it's also really fucking embarrassing to be an adult calling themselves aroace to begin with. Especially considering if/when they get over their body dysmorphia they're gonna have to eventually come out like "oops guys turns out I am sexual after all…" or keep pretending to be asexual and stay alone forever out of pride and shame.

No. 1975189

>>1975015
That dm thing is only about your messages not getting filtered if you send them to someone who doesn't follow you, you can always send them.

No. 1975194

>>1975179
I can't believe you think that the one calling another grown woman "goth mommy" is less embarrassing kek if you want to discuss sexualities this isn't really the right thread

No. 1975196

>>1975179
Off topic sperg but don't get why you guys can't fathom that there are people out there that just don't have sexual desires. Like you can keep focusing on other worse gendie trends and sure a bunch of them just say they are for attention but actual asexual people can certainly exist and Jayden can very well be one herself. What is it about not feeling sexual attraction that you take so much offense to??(self professed off topic sperg )

No. 1975235

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>>1975196
Didn't she participated in 18+ event?

No. 1975243

>>1975196
>actual asexual people can certainly exist
They do but you have to remember asexuality is not a "gender" but a sexual disorder and it happens in sexually traumatized women. The reasons nonnas don't trust jaiden because she surrounds herself with coomers despite being "asexual" so it's highly likely she's just using it as a cover because there has been a occurance with one creepy coomer stalker of hers before she came out as "asexual" (or she can be who knows but people can speculate given the vaguety of her claim and then interacting with coomers)

No. 1975245

>>1975196
The level of sexual desire is more of an issue of your health and hormone levels than it is of your sexuality. Most "asexuals" who actually abstain from sex are either sex repulsed or dealing with the common side effects of SSRIs. I'd be curious to see how much fewer "asexuals" there'd be if Western doctors didn't hand SSRIs out like candy.

No. 1975248

>>1975012
It's not period blood, it's worse. The text above says that she was raped.

No. 1975254

>>1975068
Shame, she has a beautiful art style. Reminds me of Ayami Kojima. However illustrators with these hyper-detailed animu styles are unfortunately the artists hit hardest by AI. The style is so common, especially on Pixiv, which the AIs use for their datasets.

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>>1975235
I can't find any posts with photos of her drawings from that but I doubt they were drawing porn and getting off to it on stage kek so why shouldn't she be able to be there? It's probably just so there won't be minors in the crowd when they make sex jokes

No. 1975293

>>1974767
There's also Undertale, which was itself inspired by OFF. Toby Fox contributed music to Homestuck and was Andrew Hussie's roommate.

No. 1975298

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>>1974768
If you like Fruitegg, you might also like Kindykotic, who has a similar art style.

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>>1975008
>>1974962
NTA but Miku's actual design has a flat chest? Also by your logic I guess Lain, Madotsuki, Milkchan and most of the female characters from Haibane Renmei are all trannies, which I think me and a few other nonas would be offended by.

No. 1975301

>>1974962
>>1975008
Mental illness. Some anons need to take a break from Lolcow for an extended period.

No. 1975353

>>1975068
Maybe unpopular opinion? But I dislike these overly cluttered illustrations that lack value hierarchy. None of it is badly drawn, the perspective and details and characters are interesting, but when it comes to how they color, there's zero vocal point. It's like looking into a bag of skittles.

No. 1975359

>>1975353
I agree. With good composition they can look impressive, but like that artist in particular they're usually heavily photobashed and make up for the lack of understanding for atmosphere and interesting storytelling by adding a ton of details and clutter.

No. 1975449

>>1975353
>bag of skittles
Kek nonny I need to use that next time.

No. 1975560

>>1974748
>it was like a race for who gets to be The Most Inclusive with their headcanons
This is still the case in virtually every single fandom lol. Even the ones where the characters are already human have redesigns where they’re all disabled, morbidly obese or have vitiligo

No. 1975567

>>1974909
They both look like generic bland weebshit to me.

No. 1975601

>>1974878
i like 2024 more, but wow she barely improved in 9 years that's kinda depressing…she just changed artstyles

No. 1975630

>>1975012
its a fat cuntboy too. Mgongcore.

No. 1975703

>>1974768
artists gotta eat somehow

No. 1975893

How do you get inspired to draw when you dont know what to draw? I have a folder of ''fun'' artists i look at that always inspires me

No. 1975902

>>1975893
I go into the forest and check out funny nature shapes

No. 1975904

>>1975902
that sounds so fun, too bad i live in a city.

No. 1975920

>>1975904
I like to go out and check out any weird stains or shapes. I also listen to something that feels like a class, I've noticed that I draw more when I'm supposed to be paying attention to other people for an extended period of time, so I put some series or movies that I don't really care about and draw whatever comes to my mind.

No. 1975952

>>1975245
This anon absolutely nailed it. Described me to a T and I identify as acearo. Bonus points most artists are depressed, so you'll be seeing that a lot.

No. 1975954

>>1975560
A remnant of the Homestuck fandom, surely. Even if it isn't, I will continue to scream that into the void.

No. 1975959

>>1975235
18+ can mean being vulgar, drawing drugs or people holding beer.. 18+ doesn't automatically equal porn and even if it did, it's 18+, so who cares?

No. 1975964

>>1975235
i think it scringe she made a video coming out as ''asexual'' she could have just tweeted. No one has ever been stonned for being asexual its not something to be proud of.

No. 1975993

>>1975194
>I can't believe you think that the one calling another grown woman "goth mommy" is less embarrassing kek
it's not "less" embarrassing but equally so. it's imo super pathetic to be actually upset over it further than rolling your eyes and moving on with your life that a nobody called you a bad thing and hurt your asexual feefees

almost every big female artist online comes out as some flavor of sexuality/gender, it's worth mentioning their clown behaviour every now and then i think

No. 1976034

This may be petty but I can't stand when artists with a lot of followers whine non-stop about the algorithm or their art being "bad" just to get attention. Everyone can see that your posts get tons of attentions already, shut the fuck up about not getting engagement or whining because every single follower isn't kissing your ass in the comments. I see this so often among asian artists, idk how some people can say that asian artists are less problematic when they have online meltdowns about their rushed drawings getting "only" 2K likes instead of 4K.

No. 1976050

>>1975993
Sorry but when did Jaiden say she was hurt by Kooleen specifically? It seems to me like she made a general statement in the past about not wanting to be sexualized and when Kooleen did that her fans got angry so I don't know why you're projecting like that

No. 1976052

>>1976034
Why don't you tell them directly kek

No. 1976084

>>1976034
B-but anon, superior asian artist never draw le evil wokie gendie crap so that means they never have full on mental health meltdowns or drama ever…!!!!!
>Said by artist salt general frequenter, as someone posts another Chinese artist with a cuntboy fetish

No. 1976174

>>1976052
I wouldn't want to trigger the hordes of asskissers and send the artist into yet another mental breakdown. They can't handle not having 10K likes per drawing, imagine someone not actively coddling them. It would fucking break them.

No. 1976500

>>1976034
They have so many followers, 2k likes is low to them. It's like when you get your first 100 likes as a small artist and it feels like so much to you. Never fall into the trap of equating your self-worth to a number, you will never be satisfied. Avoid turning into a depressed artist whining about the algorithm at all costs, that attitude doesn't go away even when you get 10k likes.

No. 1976977

I’ve read if you have 1000 active fans you can be successful as an artist instead of chasing 10k. Is this true? I don’t even have close to 1k and my engagement is very low.

No. 1977327

>>1976977
This sounds like the 1000 true fans thing that Kevin Kelly wrote years ago, which is the idea that if you could get 1000 people to pay you $100 on an annual basis you'd be able to make a consistent living off of that.

No. 1977360

>>1976034
i can easily ignore their meltdowns by simply not checking their tweet tab. It's really not a big problem.

No. 1977602

>>1975068
feels like if you're insane and have some kind of degenerate fixation you're either going to end up mmong (or whatever) tier or knee fetish da artist tier

No. 1977610

>>1977602
it makes sense. You need strong motivations to get good at drawing.

No. 1977754

>>1977327
I’ve heard this recently from quite a number of artists when giving advice. Didn’t know where it came from originally but it sounds easier to manage than working with the algorithm.

No. 1977930

>>1976034
"my art is bad" doesn't bother me too much because I know what it's like to feel that way when you look at even better art than your own. But begging about interactions, or saying the algorithm is bad, or "this one flopped" etc is super annoying and pathetic to me. Especially ones that literally say shit like "might as well delete my account", "deleting this piece because y'all let it flop anyway" if instant attention is all you do art for then you chose the wrong artform, go dance on tiktok or something

No. 1978680

>>1974282
You could create art for holidays, events or challenges, I get a lot more pieces done that way because it gives you both a theme and a deadline. This is coming from a fandom artist's perspective, so it might not all apply if you aren't one, but along with real-life holidays, there are birthdays of fictional characters (or of artists whose OCs you admire), anniversary or release dates of media you like, fandom challenges like secret santa or character/ship weeks, inktober or any of its many derivatives, etc.
Also, in pureref you can zoom with Z + left click, pan with alt + left click, pretty easy plus the keybinds are completely customizable.

No. 1978774

Are there any ibispaintx brushes that are similar to the dry ink brush in procreate?

No. 1978908

>>1977602
>insane
>degenerate fixation
kek i guess goatfag from /m/ will go pro soon then

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>>1975179
I was very confused why it would cause such a negative reaction considering her representation is like a blob but apparently it's based off of her vtuber model

No. 1978962

>>1975179
Kooleen is basically the art community's punching bag at this point. People throw wildly incoherent arguments against her like parrots even when it doesn't apply
>omg you white washed a white guy!
I bet none of these people batt an eye at the goth mommy trend but because Kooleen said now it's the worst thing ever and OMG SHE'S A REAL HUMAN BEING NOT A CHARACTER!??!?!?!1111!!

I hope I don't have to say this but calling someone goth mommy is cringe anyway but none of them care about that

No. 1979243

>>1977602
ic tier cope. Grind your fundies and you'll be just as good.

No. 1979247

>>1979243
NTA but people need strong motivations to autistically grind for years to reach that level.

No. 1979321

Any con artists here? How have we been doing so far this year? I've heard from long time con artists that things have been down since last year and this videos story is a very real reality for many artists. Personally I've been doing pretty good and it's my best year so far, probably due to improved art and products but was wondering what the overall climate is like right now for independent artists selling at shows and online.

No. 1979327

>>1979321
>con artist
you know that "con artist" doesn't mean "artist who does conventions" right?

No. 1979335

>>1979327
sorry if it wasn't clear, but we make that joke all the time amongst other artists. sorry if it didn't land for you

No. 1979336

>>1979335
It's not really a joke, it's a common mis-con-ception

No. 1979369

>>1979321
Getting into juried cons has been so hard since the end of the pandemic, getting rejected from cons I've been accepted into before, don't know what they're looking for anymore. Or maybe there's just way more competition.

No. 1979379

>>1979321
A couple things stand out to me about this video:
>started in 2022
I think that any artist who started selling right after lockdowns were lifted had really unrealistic expectations set. Before covid a lot of us who had been selling for a while were expecting the US AA bubble to burst because of how 2018 and 2019 turned out but it looks like that may have been delayed til this year.
>can't get into cons
At least for the US, the writers and then actors strikes really fucked up how much visual work was available and the animation guild is about to go into negotiations this year, so this is going to remain an ongoing problem where the competition is extremely high for limited supply.
>expensive tables
This is rising very rapidly and due to above point, people are paying out of desperation even for new/er shows. It's probably going to continue going up because there's basically a neverending supply of people willing to pay.
tbh this last point is why I'm probably gonna quit doing cons after this year, it's fucking stupid to be taking time off my dayjob and paying a king's ransom to do more work for smaller margins.

No. 1979723

>>1979321
Cons are overpriced now. They have inflated their prices so congoers can't even attend during sometimes okayish conventions. Between the hotel, travel, ticket, and food costs, buying from vendors has been a nightmare too even if they are trying to keep their costs low. They still have to inflate them to adhere to their inflated prices for the stuff they need to make their merch.

It's a shitshow all around. This is going to be the second year I don't attend any cons.

No. 1980048

>>1979321
I have pretty bad social anxiety and even before covid watching artists vids of them tabling seemed like a nightmare. After reading so many posts by artists that they barely scraped by with some recent cons I don't see what's the point. You pay high dollar for the possibility of having your merch sell, and that's if you even manage to actually score a space. Plus the price of everything is going up including hotels, so people traveling to these things are paying an arm and leg to travel and book hotels, I can't believe anyone even has money to buy merch after shelling out that kind of cash. Like the poster above said, its such an overpriced shitshow all around there's no point. Maybe if you're an incredibly established artist whose had successes at plenty of cons before.

No. 1980051

i hate the most used threads are starting to have AI OPs(take it to /meta/)

No. 1980149

I want someone to redline the shit out of my art but my art STYLE where shit is intentional might get swept in my incompetence elsewhere. It drives me nuts. I want people to stop kissing my ass because of how nice they want to be and actually tell me straight up what's wrong with my art.
(but please don't tell me my style is shit ffs. actual COMPETENT CRITIQUE where i can improve instead of being beaten to a pulp by insults disguised as critique ie "The way you draw hands is fucking retarded" gimme some of that "femur bone's angle is impossible and here is what it should look like in this pose")

No. 1980309

>>1979369
>>1979379
>>1979723
>>1980048
It certainly seems like smaller local artists are being priced out these days by career con artists these days who travel show to show, country to country all year round. What may have been a hobby driven by passion and culture in the past, is now a business where every player wants the largest cut of the pie. As an artist it who makes money from cons and shows, there's a bit of a dilemma with how I am turning my art into a business where the number one driver of desicions in my art becomes money, rather than participating for the love and passion for the craft. Can't say that numbers in the form of revenue aren't gratifying tho, both for the implication that people are appreciating and buying my art, and also that I can make money from my art.

No. 1980316

>>1980149
what kind of style are you going for, maybe include reference images from more skilled artists so people giving advice can tailor it for what you're aiming for

No. 1980319

>>1975094
What a downgrade indeed.

No. 1980327

>>1980149
Get an art tutor or look at references. Does your pose look off? Look at yourself in the mirror doing the pose again. Is something stopping you from recreating the pose? You might have fucked up the proportions, look for a reference online or similar poses. Is the hand weird and you can't seem to know why? Study hands. People develop art styles after learning the basics. These styles are usually deconstructions, not the building blocks themselves. If you're struggling with a pose looking weird, when it wasn't your intention, then you don't understand anatomy well enough. Stop expecting people to feed you the answer, it's not anyone's job to do that. Pay a tutor if you want a competent critique, but even a professional may be harsh on you.

No. 1980358

>>1980309
I'm not saying this out of envy but I find it so over the top when fan artists/sellers reach out to chinese companies and have stuff like custom ita bag designs for series or other types of wageslave factory merchandise produced. Can we just go back to people stenciling/embroidering stuff on $5 cotton tote bags that I would use to carry convention merch/doujinshi around with

No. 1980373

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I'm coming back after a 5 year break and making all kinds of beginner mistakes and it's driving me insane, but I'm not giving up. My anatomy is good for the most part, I'm getting back into the groove of things, but everything always ends up looking a little slanted and flat, like weirdly 2D… I wonder if I'm too close to the paper or something, or if I need to hold it up in the mirror from time to time. When I look back at my old art I see this mistake from time to time but not as often as right now.
Another thing I'm struggling with is style. I didn't notice it much before but it feels very amateur and american. I've been aiming for something like picrel and my noses always ruin it, that or the eyes, I have trouble not falling into the trap of enlarging everything to 'see' it better as I'm drawing it and making it look cartoony. I'm making strides in other areas though, enjoying drawing clothes and poses are starting to come instinctively again (though I still have the most trouble with drawing someone just standing straight on weirdly enough, lol).

No. 1980398

>>1980358
Nah it's not just you, it's been an arms race in merchandising and while I'm not even close to being a treehugger the amount of consoom waste that's come out of AA makes me really uncomfortable. It's sort of amazing that the same motherfuckers who were crying about plastic sleeves for prints are also the ones doing liquid acrylics, thick acrylics, tons of enamel pins, etc.

No. 1980410

>>1980398
>>1980358
As much as I also dislike waste, it's hard to specifically give artists a hard time on this when theyre probably not making that much money, and the big corpos we are always buying from, uniqlo, h&m etc, are doing far more damage. No hate to anyone who buys from these companies even, simply bc it's not financially viable for many of us to break away and buy from ethical businesses and companies, and independent artists are probably in the same boat. Source from local fairly paid labour, or go to factories overseas in developing countries to give yourself even the slightest chance to buy a house today.

No. 1980423

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>>1980410
I understand artists are still indie and small, not so sure about the faceless manufacturing companies that does all the AA merch. I agree with the other anons how unfortunate it is that AA became a huge culture of consooming plastics, acrylics, whatever. If makes me die inside seeing the same genshin character printed on increasingly unoptimized acrylic charms again and again from 200 different artists.

No. 1980425

>>1980423
i've never actually done acrylic charms so idk how it works. What makes them particularly wasteful compare to other merch? I mostly do prints, not s
ure how that stacks up against plactics in terms of harm to the environment.

No. 1980433

>>1980425
I didn't mean to worry artists like you. I do something similar myself. But at some point these artists who can wholesale merch, which is a thing in my country, of are pretty much mini brands in my eyes.

No. 1980453

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My amputee furry TIF personal artcow is now dating a schizo shotacon who's into vore while still living with and mooching off her ex-boyfriend, god this bitch is messy as fuck

No. 1980486

>>1968656
I feel similar, nona, except I am occasionally into things that seem to be popular among younger people. I don't necessarily feel like a creep when I interact with younger people or even minors, but when they are a majority of whatever place I go to, it does feel lonely. Sure, nothing really stops me from producing and interacting with the content I make without it being personal, but I want friends after all. I see people my age or even much older in fandoms here and there, but I'm not entirely sure how to approach them. Is it just me, or being older in general makes people less likely to be open for new friendships? Even if they themselves want communities and struggle like I do, they seem to be less likely to be as brave as young people. Literally, every time I made a post along the lines of "looking for a friend", it's always people in their late teens/early 20s who would crash into my DMs, saying, "I know you asked for someone your age, but you seem to be an interesting person, have really cool art style, I enjoy your posts on X topic, etc". People my age and older just quietly lurk, and while I get it, it's annoying and heartbreaking.

No. 1980487

>>1980453
>still living with and mooching off her ex-boyfriend
based.

No. 1980499

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I don’t understand the appeal of these.

No. 1980503

>>1980487
To be fair he's a massive cuck so she just secured housing for at least another year
>>1980499
They're for people who can't come up with shit themselves because they're lazy or have no personality or no connection to either their ocs or fandom they're in

No. 1980511

>>1980499
this seems like a fantastic grift idea honestly. They are so lazily done but will probably sell like hot pancakes

No. 1980520

>>1980499
What is each character supposed to represent? They're so simplistic I can't tell.

No. 1980524

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>>1980520
There are actually descriptions in the images that got cut off by the cropping. But it's all meaningless shit like "The sleepy" x "Their alarm" kek what would anyone need or want stickers like this for? I get that liking one of those posts is easy because "wow that's literally bingus and blorbo!!" but if I got a sticker I'd rather have one that's customized and shows my actual characters

No. 1980526

>>1980453
Is that the amputee tif that got talked about a while back that got her limbs cut off because of a fetish?

No. 1980531

>>1980526
Different one, afaik I'm the only one who has ever brought this one up. This one lost her leg in a attempted suicide and posted the results on her now deleted instagram for everyone to see.

No. 1980544

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>>1980499
>>1980524
Kek, this bitch doesn't even know any real ship tropes, it seems. Picrel is sending me because it's literally meaningless. Good grift indeed.

No. 1980622

>>1980486
It is difficult and I’m in my late 30’s. Fandom is mostly for young people while the AA’s are for older artists. The downside is it’s difficult to make friendships when tabling because you sell and move on. There’s also different life stages to consider: those with a family and kids vs in a relationship vs single, all of that factors in too apart from surface hobbies and interests. Most anime today I don’t care for but it sells; but do I want to sell to a younger crowd with not much money? Not really. Even in other circles like fine art it’s hard to break into as well, not to mention trying to make friends there. It is quite lonely if you don’t have a group of friends to fall back on. Sage for old lady ramblings lol.

No. 1980640

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>>1980499

this bitch is responsible for THE twitter discourse icon picrew. of course she's on some braindead grift

No. 1980767

>>1980499
Because these smiley-face blobs have no character attached to them, a fan can attach any character to them, thus it's universally marketable. They're equivalent to emojis, but for shipping. Sang certainly knows how to create popular art kek

No. 1980780

>>1980358
>Can we just go back to people stenciling/embroidering stuff on $5 cotton tote bags that I would use to carry convention merch/doujinshi around with

Take me back. I loathe how consoomer AA has become, with even the worse artists having access to producing cheap plastic shit like >>1980423 with flavor of the year anime characters that will rot in a landfill 5 years from now. You can't even tell what fandoms artists are interested in, because they're drawing every character, just to break even at cons after manufacturing unnecessary acrylic and enamel pins. A plushie >>1980433
like this is impressive, but it's still equivalent to a Walmart knockoff of a Squishmallow, which are consoomer in itself. It seems like there's no room anymore in AA for illustrators who want to work at smaller scales and have fewer products. I'm not even sure if con-goers necessarily prefer artists with a hundred plastic charms at their table, but certainly AA staff accepting artists seem to want artists to be mini brands selling a dozen Chinese manufactured products over smaller scale artists.

No. 1980924

Anyone here find drawing men really hard? I don’t draw men at all.

No. 1980936

>>1980924
When I was starting to draw them at like age 12 I imagined it as drawing flat women with short hair kek it's really not that difficult once you get some experience

No. 1980939

>>1980327
The advice started out nice, at least. Damn.

No. 1980948

>>1980939
Samefag wondering if we aren't allowed to just be salty in here, rather than being assumed that we're making actual demands. I can want something and not, like… shit idk be as fucking spoonfedy as that abon seems to think I am? There are redline servers on discord that do that shit for free and whatnot and I'm not a beginner, but god damn. I was just venting about art woes.

No. 1980959

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>mfw i follow popular asian artists for inspo but it turns into a doomscrolll

No. 1980967

>>1980924
Mens' hips/abdomen area continues to baffle me. I think it looks nice but it's so hard to capture in art.

No. 1980985

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>>1980959
It's even worse when they post about their age and they are younger.

No. 1980990

>>1980423
I stopped going to cons because on top of all the expenses and feeling too old for it, I had a hard time finding stuff I liked in artists alleys precisely because everyone draws the same things. I want merch of niche stuff but it's hard to find when every artist is doing genshit, super stablished series like one piece/sailor moon or anime of the month. I understand it though, it's too risky to draw niche fandoms and not many people will know what they are or buy but paradoxically all the prints and keychains of the same exact characters start to feel like consoomer slop even if you are supporting independent artists

No. 1981006

>>1980959
I've bought some Chinese artists course and let me tell you they're not that good they're good at making it seem its good.they all take shortcuts most tutorials show photobashing, tracing models and color picking from remaining artworks and sometimes outright filtering the hell out of it (also a reason some Chinese artist suck ass at anatomy) don't be dismayed by the age number nonna you still have time to improve.keep on it!

No. 1981145

>>1980622
Similar crone here, totally agree that it's incredibly difficult to establish friendships while tabling especially if you've been in it for a while. The few relationships that I've managed to maintain doing AA over the years are the ones I developed when I was initially starting out. I haven't really made new friends in recent years because the few artists I've spoken to are significantly younger/at different life stages, and these days I have some amount of regret for not trying harder to stay in touch with the older artists who dropped out of the circuit.
That and it's always a potential landmine as to personal values and beliefs when a lot of artists are a bit terminally online and have less tolerance for nuance. I think I'm just going to end up doing what the anons in the oldweb thread have been talking about, making my own site somewhere and emailing others who are doing similar in order to develop new friendships.

No. 1981253

>>1979321
For the conventions I went to I definitely noticed the rising cost of everything affecting sales. First we all needed to raise our prices because the merch is getting increasingly expensive to make. Secondly, you cannot compete with all the knock-off merch sellers and a teen with 20 euros on hand is going to pick the goodie bag with knock off merch over a handful of charms at best around 90% of the time. I'm not blaming the buyers, I just want cons to finally ban all bootleg selling booths. They were everywhere at last years Japan Expo which considering its size and reputation is honestly embarrassing.

No. 1981284

>>1980967
I struggle because there are no curves to indicate hips like for women and they’re boxy. So my men look too long or too stumpy.

No. 1981328

I think I'm going to drive up to a tag sale in the morning because someone listed two cintiqs for sale. I don't know if it'll be a waste of time without more info but I did get a ton of copic markers for a good price at a yard sale a few years ago. I just hate seeing cintiq listings online and the shipping is always a couple hundred dollars if it has a stand included.

No. 1981331

>>1974878
This comparison is funny because neither one is objectively better than the other (you could argue the first is more colourful and lively or that the second has simple, stronger shapes) it’s that it’s embarrassingly obvious this is an artist with no backbone who just follows the twitter trend of artstyles, re: Mogoon and his three bajillion clones

No. 1981423

>>1980948
This is a genuine question and I'm not trying to be mean to you, but do you think this is why you don't get the kind of critiques you want? It's kind of hard to believe that you want people to stop kissing your ass but then you react like this when someone doesn't. I understand that you're just venting how you feel, but I think people can tell that you wouldn't take advice, even in good faith, very well. You should probably work on that

No. 1981496

>>1980531
Please link or post screenshot I'm so curious

No. 1981544

>>1981423
I see where you're coming from, but that wasn't critique. It was solid suggestions that devolved into meaningless anger.
It also isn't critique because I didn't post anything related to my art (probably won't on this website) and yet the ripped into me as if they could already perceive my problems.
The only person who actually gives me critique in my life is this one scrote I know, and he's pretty relentless about it. But only in regards to specific stuff. I was venting about wanting that kind of approach but related to anatomy rather than the thing he focuses on. Please don't make further assumptions based on a little ramble I made. This is making me start to hate the art community as a whole when it comes to venting.
I don't want to be spoonfed, perse. I just want to have art friends who can help me out in ways that can be seen as mutual. I had that. I lost that. I want it back.

No. 1981579

>>1981544
I don't want to turn this into a whole argument but the advice that anon gave you was very helpful. You need to be able to critique yourself. Sometimes you might not have other art friends to bounce off of. It's sucks but it happens. Sometimes the advice you do get might not be what you wanted or it might not seem like it applies to you. You have to decide what to take from that and see what works for you or what doesn't. You have to use what you have. That's what learning is like. Art or otherwise. Once again I'm not trying to insult you or put words in your your mouth, I just don't think this is a helpful mindset to have.

No. 1981622

>>1980967
>>1980924
Want some pics of bjds to reference? They may not be actual male figures but they're a good starting point

No. 1981627

>>1981284
They aren't boxy they just have curves in different places, lean into the curves Nona, give your men thighs for days

No. 1981679

>>1981622
Nta but I'd appreciate it, post em!

No. 1981705

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>>1981679
Okay but just a fore warning, most are unfinished and I have very specific taste I want to sculpt a bjd husband myself so I'm collecting reference

No. 1981706

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No. 1981725

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>>1981706
I ended up flooding like a dumbass so here's a shitty collage

No. 1981770

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What do you do when you're bored at drawing and grinding repetitive things like animation or comics.

No. 1981775

>>1969636
KJG is a degenerate coombrained moid artist who can draw incredibly diverse and creative men but only draws 18 year old girls with huge tits. Everyone worshipping him as some sort of ART GOD OMG is delusional, his work is good but ultimately not unique or excpetional in terms of concepts, his coloring sucks, and he's another misogynist degen just like every other korean moid. i'm glad he's dead.

No. 1981778

>>1981775
If i had his skill i would draw diverse women and copypasted twinks too, so i can't judge him.

No. 1981809

>>1981778
nta but women sexualizing moids will never be on the same level as moids sexualizing women

No. 1981843

>>1980959
>>1980985
Excuse the incoming blogpost (i'll sage), I just want to share some perspective to hopefully cheer up the nonnas. I was that popular young artist. Grinded art like hell from age 14. At 19 I had a semi popular art twitter, regularly getting 1k likes on anything I posted. Some of my work went semi-viral (70k+ likes in a couple days). A couple blue checkmarks following me. Many of my childhood art idols PM'ing me, saying how good my art is etc. All in all I had a decent chance of making it as an artist.
Here's the two most important points that will hopefully make you nonnas feel better:
1) I threw it all away. The stress, not having a life outside of art, uncertain financial future (you'd be surprised how many professional art gods have to live on scraps) all got to me. Additionally, being good at art means nothing if you can't draw the things you want to. I did commissions and they came out good and my clients were overjoyed but I just fucking hated every second spent drawing shit I didn't care for, and always hated the final outcome. There was no soul in the art I made for money.
2) I pretty much only looked up to "bad" and unpopular artists. Constantly being in the art sphere, seeing 100s of artworks every day the popular artstyles started to bore me. Sure, they were all polished with good anatomy and thousands of likes but they all looked boring. But occasionally I would stumble upon an amateur artist with less than 600 followers who has yet to be infected with the current trendy cookie cutter artstyle and their works would completely transfix me. A lot of art which survives the test of time is really concept>>>>>technical prowess. So I say don't sweat it, nonnas and just make things you care about. You'll find your footing and your audience in time.

No. 1982017

>>1981843

>I did commissions and they came out good and my clients were overjoyed but I just fucking hated every second spent drawing shit I didn't care for, and always hated the final outcome. There was no soul in the art I made for money.


god THIS. i feel this on a deeply personal scale. i'm almost the same as you nona, i have a consistent fanbase and tend to get pretty good stats on nearly everything i post and many people line up to get commissions from me but i almost never do it because i hate it. i hate having to draw something i don't care about and it was even worse because then i'd feel guilty that my lack of want and motivation to draw the commission meant the client was left waiting. i eventually stopped doing commissions as a whole because i felt miserable doing them. it fucking sucks.

No. 1982044

>be me
>want to start a comic
>grinding every day to actually be good enough to start
i am so jealous of people who just do it. I see so many mangakas who start working on their manga despite having horrible art skills, like the attack on titan guy. I feel jealous, but also i know i am not good enough of a writer to let the story carry the bad art.

No. 1982057

>>1981843
Regarding commissions, god, true, they sucked the soul out of me. I did them in the style that just wasn't satisfying to me, when I started out it was mostly characters with interesting designs, but the more i worked, the more fetishy and ugly things they commissioned me got. There were so many outright uncomfortable interactions, especially when they found out I'm a female artist. Fetish porn as references, borderline porn requests to the art even though i warned them that i don't do nsfw. I needed money and still do, but i've burned out so much, stopped responding to inquires and lost everything. I still get some of them finding me by my old username and I just don't want to do that anymore, god. I also didn't have that much of a presence online as an artist, it was so random the way i got these commissions, so after dropping i'm basically left with nothing but imo kinda ugly commissions and years wasted.

No. 1982066

>>1982044
Just start. You'll learn more and quicker from starting and being a little less bad every day than passively waiting to become good enough to finally start.

No. 1982080

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>>1982066
I know, i just envy the artists that carry their shit writing with their art. Like this guy.

No. 1982094

>>1979321

Been doing cons at least once a year since 2015. Tbh boothing at cons is not worth it at the moment due to multiple factors. The main factor is because of the economic downturn most countries are facing right now. I'm from a third world hellhole and people are tightening their purses. Ticket prices to anime cons have risen a lot so visitors can't really spend much after buying entry tickets. From what I observe (in my country at least), people just go to the con to cosplay and meet friends; and if they do buy something it's of official anime merchs. Plus, I think most artists have become too focused on making money and you can see it in the merchs their selling. Everyone just sells fotm animes so it's boring for con visitors. Why buy fotm anime trinkets with questionable quality from an indie artists when you can buy good quality official merchs easily. I think boothing at an anime con is only worth it for artists that are already popular on social media.

I'm thinking of throwing the towel on this whole con boothing thing. This year is going to be my last rodeo. It's no longer fun for me. The purpose of me boothing at a anime con was to make like minded artist friends and meet fans who enjoy the same anime series but nowadays people treat artist alleys more like a money-making place. The vibe is becoming more like a business competition than a gathering of anime fans. Not only that, I've experienced and witnessed devastating friendship breakups due to extreme competitiveness between con artists. Overall, I'm just too old, too tired and too jaded of the whole artist alley scene now.

No. 1982213

>>1982094
I think the 'everyone just sells fotm anime" is kind of was the chicken or the egg first situation. I heard from many artists that tried to diversify their offerings that it just does not pay. The cycles of popularity are much faster now too then pre-pandemic. A series that's everywhere you look is only like that for a single con season at best. As an artist you really cannot win.

No. 1982226

>>1981843
Nona, can I ask what style you drew in? I feel like drawing in anime style is a dead end of a professional art career. You can make a living online, but you will never get big ticket publishing jobs unless you live in Japan.

No. 1982232

>>1981328
Update: I bought a 13" Cintiq for $20 and as a nonny that's only used a 9" 1st gen ipad pro screen it's blowing my mind

No. 1982242

>>1982080
Who's this artist? This looks so cute

No. 1982268

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>>1982242
its akebi chan no sailor fukku. It's scroteshit but the art is beautiful.

No. 1982326

>>1982232
Grats! Did it come with different nibs to try out? That's probably about the only good thing I can say about wacom these days, the tip that has the spring in it is my fav.

No. 1982351

>>1982232
I kind of want to switch from ipad back to tablet. (My old one broke and I have clip studio paint my iPad but it’s kind of slower.)

No. 1982395

>>1982326
It came with a pen case that has a bunch of tips in it but they all looked identical. The owner said they barely used the tablet at all, so it was sold in all of its original packaging.

>>1982351
I wanted to try a tablet because my ipad freezes when there's too much going on in CSP, and it's crashed it at least once.

No. 1982904

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Why are qrts so mad at OP? All she said was she prefers ONE’s art, nothing more. How is it bad to prefer the original creator’s work? And people who know of ONE as an author are likely to be aware of his other work Mob Psycho, which has a lot of fans who see the charm in his art.

No. 1982906

>>1982904
Even the slightest, even unintentional, slight against coom can cause intense anger.

No. 1982907

>>1982904
Judging by "shuters" comment, they're coomers mad that somebody might not like the second one for the tits.

No. 1982915

>>1982904
Oh, it's because OPM fans worship Murata's coom art and openly disrespect ONE. It's mostly because the moid powerleveling shounen faggots perceive people who prefer the webcomic (which is better in every way) as psuedo intellectuals ruining their fun. There is a longstanding beef between webcomic fans and manga fans, particularly because manga fans objectively "won" by having the anime be based off of it and being far more successful than the webcomic and get super pissed off when it's pointed out Murata made changes for coom that actively contradict the source material. For example, Fubuki is supposed to slouch because she's insecure about her breasts because men leered at her in high school. Tatsumaki in the webcomic canonically wears granny panties and is meant to be very nonsexual. Both wear long, clearly witch-inspired dresses. Murata changed them to be far more palatable (tsundere loli and dommy mommy) and thus destroyed everything that made them interesting. He also explicitly said he just draws Fubuki as his ideal woman and verbally called her "best girl" during a stream.

No. 1982918

recently ive been getting drawfee in my feed again after not watching for years and good god jacobs art style is still an eyesore. still super confused how he was the head illustrator at college humor with his basic bitch blobby designs. it was always strange to me drawfee and the fandom tried to push jacob being a bad boy ala leather jackets and devil may care attitude when he is one of the biggest soyboys to come out of college humor.

No. 1982925

>>1982904
Because they're males who only care about works that get their dicks hard. Hence the idiot responding "y'all are scared of titties" they think anything that's chock full of boobs and ass as peak story telling.

No. 1982973

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>>1982904
the top right comparison really gets me. ONE's objectively better in composition and atmosphere. I like Murata's work, I find his girls very cute, but ONE has a special talent that is hard to describe.

No. 1982986

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>>1981579
I do use what I have. Which is why I said the anon's advice started out great. The insult towards the end
>Stop expecting people to feed you the answer, it's not anyone's job to do that.
was out of left field entirely and I found that kind of frustrating that they felt like they needed to add that.
You're very kind and honestly, I do agree with what you say. But I had a time when my artist friend who drew considerably better than me told me one thing I overlooked in my studies and it changed the trajectory of my art immensely. I was only fizzling about the fact that I can't really bounce ideas off of her anymore (personal issues with her own obsession with perfection just makes her hate art outright nowadays) - and yes, like you said, it sucks. It certainly does. The world sucks and being an artist is hard. And I was just complaining.
Again; I use what I have. I have invested in a lot of books (purchased and pirated), used my own ugly and deformed body as a reference, tried art school (lol yeah that didn't work out) and a number of things. I just like that addtional added help of redlining. I'm not asking anyone here to do the redlining. I just felt like I needed to vent somewhere, and this felt like the right thread. I'm stuck and I wish I had the help to get me unstuck. And truthfully, that was my fault for venting in the wrong thread.
>>1980316
>maybe include reference images from more skilled artists so people giving advice can tailor it for what you're aiming for
If I ever actually go through with throwing my art at people (paid or volunteers) to redline, I'll definitely keep this in mind!
Anyways here is a type of "abstract" art I Find Neat as an apology for shitting up the thread.

No. 1982987

>>1982044
Some rando in one of my streams told me
>Just go ahead and start a comic. Even if it sucks and you hate it, at least you have something to show for it. It's better than just sitting on the idea, and maybe someday, looking at it will motivate you to make a little more, a little better.
I hope this touches you like it did me.

No. 1983070

>>1982986
Maybe >>1982987 will help. Sketch or change mediums to break out of the rut. Read something different. Focus on your weak points and strengthen them. I understand the need to vent, and the need for a good soundboard from other artists. Sometimes they can feel like shallow friendships and even like they might sabotage you but if you can take a step back from it all you can find a way forward.
The image you shared is something I enjoy too. Thanks anon. Who is thr artist?

No. 1983084

>>1982904
>REEEEE EVIL WOKE FEMINIST SCARED OF TITTY DONT TAKE MY TITTY AWAY NO DISRESPECT TO MY TITTY COOM MANGA REEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like clockwork.

No. 1983090

>>1981006
This, the anons ITT constantly riding Chinese and Russian artists' dicks really need to have this hammered in their heads. They trace, colorpick and photobash all the time, then stuff their pieces full of clutter and finish it with a billion filters on top of it all and normies eat it up. Like look at this >>1975068 it's colorpicked from original paintings to the point it looks literally like paint by numbers and extremely messy the more you stare at it.

No. 1983131

>>1982904
Idk anything about OPM but it's not even about the tits, the right picture looks so generic and souless, like any popular girl next door type hentai you see trending on japanese gooner twitter. I've seen that same exact face and hairstyle so many times. Even if left pic had gigantic tits I'd still prefer it because she looks unique and charming, that's an uncommon face for anime characters much less female ones. Ofc coomers will take it as a personal attack though

No. 1983161

>>1982094
It's a shame that you feel that your peers have become more competitive causing rifts in relationships. I try to stay out of the drama and have luckily met a good group of artists and definitely appreciate the social aspect of tabling at conventions. With many artists I'm not even that even into the stuff they make but love them as people and get on with them great! The social experience matters a lot, so I'd encourage other artists to reach out to other artists you like and try to strike up a conversation. And everytime you see them again, try to pick up where you left off, and you never know, you might make a life long artist friend :)

No. 1983169

>>1983090
>colorpick
literally what is the problem with colorpicking. It's not cheating.

No. 1983174

>>1983169
"Colorpicking" as a concept here is lazy art making, you don't come up with color schemes yourself or study color theory to make your own coloring process and instead just either colorpick someone else's brainwork or sloppily recreate a photo without really understanding how the coloring works, which makes it look spotty and disconnected. Like in that Chinese artist's work the characters are completely detached from the background because it's obvious he colorpicked and painted a setting but lacked the skill to integrate his characters in the scene making them look greyed out and out of place. It's basically like the equivalent to tracing in coloring.

No. 1983179

>>1983174
who cares? i think the art looks nice and i doubt you can do something better

No. 1983182

>>1983174
NTA but as someone who doesn't colour pick ever, it's not really that lazy to do so. You still need the ability to mesh the colours together and to render values properly to make it work because you can't colourpick every single pixel. As for characters not interacting with the enviroment, a lot of artists struggle with that because they're too used to drawing people in the void and so forget that gravity and lighting exists.
Photobashing isn't even that bad either, if the photos (and/or 3d models) are bought and in fair use or made by the artist themselves with the intention to save time, and I say this as someone who is autistic about drawing every detail myself without any help beyond references.
I will say that Chinese and Russian digital artists are definitely overrated, however Slavs do have far better cartoony styles than Americans or the Brits.
>>1983179
That's not the burn you think it is, it makes you sound insecure

No. 1983184

>>1983182
>That's not the burn you think it is, it makes you sound insecure
you can write a long ass manifesto detailing why colorpicking is bad and why that artist's art is shit yada yada, but unless you can prove you can do better it genuinely doesn't matter.

No. 1983188

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>>1983184
Read my post, you silly goose I am literally agreeing with you. However every person who says "bet you can't you do better!!!" in response to someone's opinion sounds whingey and in my opinion it's like an ad hominem against yourself. Art critics don't usually do art and they say far, far more retarded things but people still acknowledge and agree with their opinions

No. 1983189

>>1983188
>Art critics don't usually do art and they say far, far more retarded things but people still acknowledge and agree with their opinions
not in this thread. This thread constantly shits on bad artists who give art advice, like kooleen or >>1972749

No. 1983193

>>1983189
I'm not going to continue this beyond this point but me calling them retarded should have clued you in on what I think of professional art critics, the only difference is that most people don't pull out the "you can't draw so you can't say anything about the art" card on them which is just as retarded. People have eyes, they can have thoughts that connect to what they see.

No. 1983195

>>1983193
if you cant draw better than them your opinion literally doesnt matter. It's like a wheelchair bound person shitting on an athlete for not being fast enough.

No. 1983230

>>1983182
>You still need the ability to mesh the colours together and to render values properly to make it work because you can't colourpick every single pixel.
Anon that is literally why excessive colorpicking makes a piece look incompetent. It's a lazy crutch because the people doing it aren't processing the meshing of the colors but instead just picking colors including the midtones and putting them next to each other. When this thread talks about colorpicking it's meant to refer to the behavior of people not having any idea what they're doing.

No. 1983301

>>1982213

I don't mind artists selling fotm anime merch because I do it as well. I understand artists need to follow the latest trend just to hit their target sales to at least cover the booth cost. However, what I do mind is artists selling fotm anime but don't even bother watching the anime. Why draw something you don't even watch. It shows that the artists is only in it for the money and not for the love of the series. I once bought stickers of a popular game character from an artist at a con and ask them which one is their favourite character. They unabashedly said they don't even play the game! Like you said, the popularity of a series doesn't last long now. You're lucky if an anime you like has a few seasons planned out but for animes that only has less than one season, it will be dead after the one season ends. I still remember a time where people used to stick around for years in one fandom and create lots of amazing arts/fics for their favourite series. I really miss those days.

>>1983161

It was the worst experience for me. Friends who have been together for years broke up just because one friend is envious of another friend who got constant high sales at each cons they booth together. Con artists in my country are definitely super competitive. I find it hard to make friends with them. They stick to their on clique and care a lot about social media popularity. If you don't have high social media followers or only a mere hobby artist, you're basically ignored. Not sure how con artists are in other countries. I'm tempted to try boothing at overseas cons. Maybe the vibes there are different. I really do wish to make life long artist friends.

No. 1983339

>>1982044
start with a short comic and use it to improve your other art skills too.

No. 1983345

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>>1983314
I think it's clear from the context that it's referring to just picking colors directly from references. For example, picrel has just picked the colors from the reference photo (the person who painted it admitted it due to being colorblind) which is why they don't blend in well together and look like glops of color on top of each other instead of blending colors to create shades.

No. 1983366

>>1983090
I'm confused what you mean by colorpicking. >>1975068 is a traditional artist, she uses markers she can't colorpick anything.

No. 1983712

>>1982987
>>1983339
Thanks nonnies, i think i will. I will focus on grinding my weakest points(perspective) and the give it a go. It's practically a bootle of a scrote manga i used to like as a kid, so it's something purely self indulgent.

No. 1983889

>>1983301
I just went to an anime convention artist alley and it was basically genshit/honkai alley. I'm ready for something else to take hold but as long as hoyo keeps pumping out cluttered bullshit characters that's all we'll be seeing for merch.
I personally can't justify spending a whole table's worth of time and money on fandom in general, especially fotm where it'll all end up looking the same as everyone else's anyway. I get kind of smug when convention artists bitch and moan about how their genshin/fotm anime didn't move because it's played out and overdone.

That's terrible of me, I know, but unless people are willing to take risks it's just a bunch of artists asking each other what's popular over what they like and sometimes you can tell they just draw it for the money. AA is such a sinkhole now. It's disappointing.

No. 1984028

>>1983179
"I doubt you can do something better" this thread is full of 14 year olds

No. 1984545

>>1983889
Isn't this also the fault of AA staff? Unless it's first come, first serve, they're responsible for who gets a table or not. There are plenty of artists drawing unique fandoms and they are definitely applying, but not getting in.

No. 1985094

>>1984545
Yeah. There's a certain expectation to accept artists who are doing a bunch of popular art, but it's also a vicious cycle. If you try to give other artists doing different art a chance they might be passed up by attendees because of their expectations of looking for their specific favorite popular character.
So, everyone has to sell the same kind of thing to even have a chance at making sales. It's frustrating. I do wish there was a proper, no frills doujin culture in the US but our relationship with comics is fucked. There isn't any real solution at this point.

No. 1985111

>>1985094
I watched a vid on the creators of elf quest and it makes me long to have been alive during the 70s and 80s comic boom. Now everything is so set in its ways and will probably never change in a social sense due to the massive shift to the internet that visual media has taken. Richard pini literally created his own publishing company just to get Wendy's comic published, there's no dream of something like that ever happening now. It's the internet or nothing for indie comic creators so there's no organic exposure to indie work anymore.

No. 1985114

>>1985111
>I watched a vid on the creators of elf quest
can you post it? sounds interesting

No. 1985162

>>1980149
Request redline request in post art for nonnies to rate thread i usually stalk it for redline requests but no one asks

No. 1985268


No. 1985403

>>1982973
it's a classic case of soul versus soulless imo. one's stuff has so much enthusiasm put into it, it isn't technically impressive but thee spirit and ideas are obviously there

No. 1985405

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>>1985162
Nta but hey if you're doing redlines, I was trying to sketch some of the ref pictures from >>1981705 and I feel like my male figures keep coming out skelly or female. Could you help a nonnie out?

No. 1985441

>>1982986
I'm the anon who replied with the "insult". I think you blew it a bit of proportion, if I meant to simply insult you I wouldn't have typed the previous advice. I can see why my phrasing was harsh, but what I meant is that you're asking for specific knowledge to be given to you in a soft and accommodating way. The person would have to understand anatomy, and your style and say it in a technical and soft way. It's simply unlikely to happen, people get paid to do that and I guarantee you, my previous teachers and tutors were mostly not nice about it. Even when they were talented artist, not all of them knew how to properly explain, so there's a skill in that too. The people "kissing your ass" are nice good-hearted people that probably just lack the knowledge to guide you. What you asked for is like the holy grail of advice, it felt demanding tbh.

I don't know you, but through your replies, you seemed to have taken it very personally. Even if you were just complaining, look at what lc is, we have 3 entire boards dedicated to dissecting and assuming things based on their social media and pictures. There's always a risk of someone replying with nasty shit even in vent threads. All that said, nonna, don't ever call your body ugly and deformed, I'm sure it's not and you shouldn't put yourself down. If it helps you to see it in a better light, your body is the vessel allowing you to produce your art, to experience other's art too, it's a beautiful concept in itself. Being an artist is hard and we put a little bit of ourselves into our art, so it feels personal when it's criticized, but your art isn't you, don't take that criticism to heart. Try working on yourself and filtering what really can help you grow.

I stand by my original advice, you should train your eye to spot these mistakes because relying on other's critiques is uncertain, it can help, but it can be also useless. I've seen so many bad redlines, I myself have done bad relines in the past and when I looked again, I realized how pointless they were. It's really hard to redline someone and keep their style, even pros tend to pull their "fixes" to their style and interpretation. We have a thread on /m/ for redlines and advice if this is something you feel will help you, but I said what I think of those already. The best advice I got came from very, very few teachers, maybe two, there's a skill in itself to guide someone and most don't have it.
>>1985405
Look up the art rate thread on /m/

No. 1985536

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>>1985405
here you go. left figure your rib cage, neck, and right shoulder are whats giving it the kind of female look. you dont need perfect anatomy to differentiate male vs female, sexual dimorphism doesnt have to be super exaggerated either(its my opinion sexual dimorphism in art is what you decide). top right figure its the ribs again, both shoulders, and the hips.

No. 1985552

The animation meme community is a great place for milk honestly, as of late Kittydog has a new video out, context is that Birdie came back recently and accused Kittydog of being abusive and she made this response after getting dragged on Twitter and YT

Summary from Kiwifarms
>Apolgizes for the people she victimized in childhood
>Supports rehab and healing for people suffering abuse
>Apologizes, does not expect forgiveness
>Does not identify as a abuser anymore
explains how abuse functions
>Admits abusing and traumatizing birdie, does not identify as a groomer since there's a 2 year age gap
>Believed her behavior was normal at the time and acknowledges her dysfunctional past
>Clearly states she is not a pedophile, since they were under the age of consent
>Explains what is grooming
>Admits to having drawn her sona sexually assaulting Birdies sona
>Brings up Birdies community tab response and errors in the video
>Refutes the claim KD threw Birdie under the bus after Birdie got caught drawing porn
>Talks about the concept of apologizing and boundaries
>Encourages direct conversation for criticism
Not by any means the biggest deal or the worst response but watching her get dragged was extremely funny and seeing these two cows go to war was entertaining as well. Someone on Kiwifarms said she’s mentally stuck in middle school mentality and is just damage controlling to get out of trouble because she’s been a laughingstock for years and there’s definitely truth there

No. 1985694

>>1985405
>do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated m thread
use the assigned thread for it or we'll get newfags like the pyw chan. this thread is only for art related milk

No. 1985861

>>1985694
who the fuck is pyw chan

No. 1985984

>>1985861
probably the goatfag who got baited into having a mini melty.

No. 1985996

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As a member of a minority group nobody in the art world cares about (Catalan) the recent popularity of identity based art makes me feel weird. Nobody would clap for Catalan Thomas Jefferson or an art show about Catalan life.

No. 1986089

>>1985996
I'm sorry, nonna, but I seriously can't tell if you think identity based art is cringe or if you're actually grieving that no one's making trans Catalan OC's for Twitter brownie points.

No. 1986257

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>>1951437
>>1985405
I think you should focus in on the 3d form of the primary structure more, as when you don’t it results in really flat secondary form. Try breaking down each shape of the bpdy to simpler shapes them build on it. This is just my two cents though

No. 1986360

>>1986257
How many times does it need to be said by other anons, take it to the rate my art thread in /m/. This is not the thread for this and we don't want newfags shitting up the thread with art and whinging and infighting in some cases, there's a reason why there's a separate thread in the first place.

No. 1986380

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>young black french woman draws fan-art of a black tiktoker in her own art-style
>replies are filled with black americans and other wokies calling her a racist yt woman for drawing her too light
>when she reveals that she's black, they start calling her self-hating and start making jokes about her being French
this really is the entirety of twitter discourse, moronic americans decide what's "woke" and what's not and if you don't follow their dogma of retardation they'll find some way to accuse you of being privileged

No. 1986386

>>1986380
yeah I agree white people genuinely think they’re the default but this poor woman just drew a random woman she found attractive on the internet kek. not everything is out of maliciousness and black people need to get a grip with trying to claim every obvious mixed race person in their internet slap fights, it’s so gross and screams of self-hatred constantly defending biracials who aren’t even black and making them the darling faces of the black community and in turn making them look more racist/colorist than who they’re accusing

No. 1986388

>>1986380
americans need to lose their internet privileges

No. 1986434


No. 1986444

>>1986380
>go to hell omg
Damn. Being an artist online nowadays is pretty rough. I wonder how long it takes for these kinds of comments to demoralise someone completely.

No. 1986467

>>1986444
People are so entitled for the most childish reasons

No. 1986472

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>>1986444
i checked that retard's twitter and lo and behold, her art is fucking shit. This is why you always ask someone to post their work before even considering their opinion.

No. 1986533

>>1986386
>white people genuinely think they’re the default
No, more like American black culture and colourism rearing its head again to yell at random people who aren’t creating racial caricatures (the “correct” way to draw x race) or lesser artists malding at better artists. It’s why most artist don’t want to bother because they’ll be dogpiled for not making skintone the right “colour”. It’s ridiculous because half don’t understand color theory and shout out of half ignorance and self importance and half trolling. We’ve also had debates like this a few threads back with Korean looking Miles Morales.

No. 1986625

>>1982915
>Fubuki is supposed to slouch because she's insecure about her breasts because men leered at her in high school
What chapter was this in the webcomic? Just curious, I want to read it now

No. 1986674

>>1986380
Might be a retarded American but if this is intended to be an actual fanart of the woman and not some art "inspired by" her than she did indeed lighten her and make her look more white. I think the actual retardedness by americans comes from them automatically virtue signaling and making this to be bc of covert racism. If u.s. Twitter users learned to show their thoughts on stuff without screeching and shit flinging then more people would take them seriously. They only ever act this way not because they are truly outraged but because they know that there is now another user who they can relentlessly bully into submission.

No. 1986774

>>1986380
drawing light skin black people is like stepping on a minefield. that model literally has classic hazel eyes and people are trying to argue that they're brown and that the artist made them too light lol

No. 1986814

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>>1986380
The funny thing is that the model herself reposted the art, it doesn't seem to bother her. Who are they fighting for anyway?

No. 1986957

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>>1986674
>>1986774
This whole argument is really really annoying on the part of the Twitter users. While I actually do agree that the artist made her lighter, I wonder if they were trying to bloom her out with the lighting they used.

This isn't an egregious example and I don't think that most people are being malicious when they do this, like at all. The biggest thing these people don't get most times is that lighting when it's actually applied properly will do a fuck ton to a skintone and it's darkness but most of them don't know enough about art to realize that. Picrel

No. 1986989

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kek

No. 1987003

>>1986989
god i hate when western artists draw this monstrosity. Its already bad enough in anime, but when its attached to a calarts blob face it somehow makes it more uncanny

No. 1987045

>>1986989
>she had a good reason: her body is not real

lol that is a shit reason for forcing your pornbrained fetish everywhere

No. 1987055

Are all these artists begging for money, talking about their 10 different mental illnesses and making autism their main personality trait not ashamed of themselves? When the fuck did it become normal to introduce yourself with like 5 mental health problems and 2 disabilities. And why is NO ONE calling them out, this shit is getting ridiculous. Some of them have huge followings, does not one of their friend or follower not question the fact that they're acting like victims and have meltdowns every other day?? Is no one else like, why is this guy asking for pity again. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate when artists are honest and talk about their struggles, but some of these people sound like actual nutcases

No. 1987062

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>>1986989
I feel like art as a whole is going to regress back into those boob-butt poses. We are regressing

No. 1987068

>>1987062
It's getting worse, woman in your picture has her waist twisted unnaturally but her body proportions are okay-ish

Now people draw tiny heads with child's face, two big circles as tits, waist tinier than head and then huge hips 10 times the width of torso and it's somehow fine because "it not real" or some shot

No. 1987069

>>1987055
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: publicly disclosing your mental illnesses does nothing but leave your weaknesses open to exploitation. These kids have no sense of self-preservation.

No. 1987137

>>1983301
>>1983889
With how expensive the average con has gotten to table at, there's 0 reason for any artist to actually take a risk. I know artists who did try to offer other series that should have fans around still but nobody buys it, or at most you get like 1 or 2 people being happy you have x series and buying it. But it's just not viable in the current market. And at the end of the day, nobody is spending the blood sweat and tears of a multiple day con, investing thousands, and who knows how much time creating stock etc just to sell only series they love cuz unless the thing you love IS the current fotm, you will lose money. A lot of it.

No. 1987151

>>1986989
People should really cyber bully coomers more.

No. 1987162

nonnas were there any twitter changes regarding NSFW lately? I've noticed that some artists I follow that occasionally draw NSFW either have their whole pictures under the NSFW filter or none at all. I'm guessing you can't flag individual posts as nsfw and are forced to flag your whole account?

No. 1987214

>>1987162
Yeah, saw a coomer artist i follow complaining about it. I don't know how it works, seems weird because only some of his stuff is locked, not all of it.

No. 1987226

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>>1986957
>>1986814
Yeah, I think drawing different races has more to do with body/face proportions than skin color. An albino black person will still look black, because of her facial features. Retarded twitter users looking to get a dopamine hit from public bullying will always jump on drawings of black people with unique lighting on their skin or stylized in the "wrong" way (drawing no nose if it's an anime style)

No. 1987289

>>1987226
It's been repeated before, unless your going for a specifically realistic style, most times 2D can't capture the complexities of human races.

No. 1987460

>>1986989
It looks like those people who have lymphedema of the legs

No. 1987489

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>>1986989
This thing started with the Hartman hips trope, didn't it

No. 1987582

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imagine tanking your career before it's barely even started. Hope this doesn't blow over and actually has an affect on his career for being such a pos. Nicodaboy for the uninitiated

No. 1987588

>>1986533
This right here. American black people are so different from Black europeans or even Black asians. I cannot understand why they are the worst people. I wish they'd stop trying to force their shit on everyone.(racebaiting)

No. 1987623

>>1986989
That's literally just bad character design 101.

No. 1987624

>>1987062
I hate this shit! Why cant men draw women? she has no spine in order to achieve this 'pose'

No. 1987698

>>1987582
I know multiple women with negative experiences with this guy so I’m glad this finally got out. Him calling himself a boy in his handle and bio when he’s a grown man is so cringy too kek

No. 1987700

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>>1987062
unironically we need to bring back the hawkeye initiative.

No. 1987710

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>>1987588
>I cannot understand why they are the worst people
If you're using a bunch of black SJWs as a compass to conclude that african-americans as an entire group are worse than trannies, pedophiles, Europeans white moids (who rape kids overseas and let European women get adsaulted by immigrants), Asian moids (who made beating women and aborting girls an actual culture), Arabian scrotes (who made acid-throwing a custom for women they don't like, and their pickme women), Afrikaners and Australians who chose to live in Africa and Australia just to kill, abuse, and rape natives, and countless other things, then you're right in that you cannot understand; because it's very obvious that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Cry about us some more with the other poltards back on 4chan, maybe they can lick up whatever crybaby bitch swill you're sobbing and throwing up like a dog. I would tell you to touch grass, but that would risk an African-american having to see your dogshit face and I wouldn't wish that on them.(took the bait)

No. 1987717

>>1986380
imagine if every brunette character was redrawn as blonde, or every small chest character was redrawn with x-cups. And everyone justifies this being more marketable or appropriate. That’s why it’s so weird seeing black people redrawn paler and no this doesn’t mean I support the mainstreaming of blackwashing

No. 1987728

>>1987717
>imagine if every brunette character was redrawn as blonde
Weirdly this is a pet peeve i have, when people draw cartoons of browned haired real people they often draw them as blonde for some reason. Maybe it's because I'm nordic and in other countries where darker hair is the standard any lighter shade is considered "blonde" so but to me it's just so odd to use an entirely different color when you have eyes and should be able to tell brown isn't the same as light yellow

No. 1987731

>>1987717
>every small chest character was redrawn with x-cups
This happens already and nobody bats an eye or threatens the porn addicts who do that. I think most people agree she looks lighter in the end result, mostly due to the artist overdoing the overlay effect I bet. But it's not always made with a bad intention, it can simply be incompetence. I do think she looks too light in the fanart and I understand why people dislike it.
>>1987728
kek I relate to this. There is one character who is a brunette and you can really tell he is brunette when he is next to actual blonde characters and how close his hair looks when he's next to other brunettes, but for some reason the fandom headcanons him as blonde because sometimes the light makes his hair a bit lighter. It's my pet peeve in that fandom.

No. 1987860

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https://x.com/cyani07/status/1785172206210961477
Sort of in the vein of the whole pose theft / lighting theft dramas that keep happening but I keep seeing this artist getting blasted on twitter for having main character syndrome but I can't help but see that she has a point? Are people only mad at her because she's got a lot of followers? Almost every single element of this work is copied.

No. 1987877

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>>1987860
Kek I was just about to post something semi-related to this. Big artist vs small artist war still going strong.
Also turns out the ‘small artist’ who got called out has a history of more egregious copying/plagiarism so the big artist really was right in the end

No. 1987883

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>>1987860
>>1987877
Here’s the evidence of the history of ‘heavy referencing’ btw https://x.com/dsmpaffirm/status/1785778572071948756

No. 1987947

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this is so fucking stupid but it's frustrating. growing up I was on tumblr a lot and really sucked up the whole ugly art plague. now I'm trying to unlearn it, and I'm not saying that I want to draw some moeblob shit or someting, just something tht isn't fuck ugly in that very specific way. but it's hard to unlearn and most of the time I still end up with something that scream ''this person was on tumblr too much in their formative years'', argh

No. 1987952

>>1987883
That's so crazy, really what's the point of referencing others this much? No ideas of their own?

>>1987877
People really act like the follower count is everything and like you stop being a normal person once you hit 10k or something.

No. 1987986

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>>1987883
>>1987860
>i did not reference somas art
What do these younger artists think referencing means? Can people only understand 1:1 copies? The whole "heavy referencing" always feels like euphemism too. It might not be illegal to copy poses and ideas, but it's still fucking pathetic that people can't think of anything by themselves. When I see an artist emulating others I instantly loose any respect for them.

No. 1988039

>>1987947
>>1987947
What type of style do you want to cultivate? Having a specific idea in mind helps. I try to cultivate a style of my own by looking at the work of artists that I like.

No. 1988043

>>1987986
what is it with artists who clearly copied someone's piece but made minor changes to it and claiming it's all just coincidental? who actually believes that excuse when it's blatantly obvious they referenced the original heavily. if they hadn't of seen the bigger artist's work they would have never drawn their knock off version kek

No. 1988049

>>1987947
maybe try to compare tumblr pieces to the art pieces you want to and see what different style decisions are made. what are you defaulting to that makes your style so "tumblr"? if it's making dumpy bodies for instance, maybe focus on drawing more slim and graceful proportions. breaking habits is hard so be patient with yourself.

No. 1988051

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>>1987986
It's also funny that they try to claim they've never seen the original art before KEK

No. 1988058

>>1988051
This is so fucking retarded. Why do these artists think that people are stupid? At the very least you need to admit that you saw the og art, thought it was cool, and made your own. An artist is still within their right not to appreciate that but please don't act like you didn't straight up copy… this user is an idiot

No. 1988059

>>1987947
Draw backgrounds, furniture, food, and other things that need some degree of technical skill to look good. You'll be able to develop your own style without hating everything you draw. When you go back to drawing people, it'll be easier for you to draw them in your new style. If you're still drawing Steven Universe with side-mouth and a potato nose, you might find it helpful to trace over other drawings that you like the style of to train yourself out of your old style.

No. 1988172

>>1987883
God, what's the point of drawing to these people? To gain followers? What for? It's a meaningless internet number. Imagine working hard to learn how to draw and color but being so creatively bankrupt that all you can do with your skill is copy. I guess this is the illustration equivalent to the "realism" artists that exclusively copy photos.

No. 1988181

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>>1988039
yeah, I've been doing this a lot lately and I have an idea of what I want to do. I think I'll try to play around with a few things of styles I like, just have fun and see how they fit into my hand, I'm too scared that I'll just end up over-correcting myself and getting stuck with something that is not really mine

>>1988049
>what are you defaulting to that makes your style so "tumblr"?
this was…surprisingly hard to put to words actually?? after thinking about this for a while, it's a combination of many things. the ones that are easy-ish to tackle are for example, way too red knees/shoulders/hands/face, and huge lips (not ethnic or insta-baddie type, but those soggy pouty kinds of lips), prominent eyebags etc…and it's not like every face has to be conventionally attractive, I like strong features, but I really need to learn to balance it so that the face doesn't look like it's melting off.
what's harder to change is the feel of the image, like the combination of what I mentioned already and the rendering…it often ends up looking doughy, like I could have ''pushed'' it more. when I did 3d sculpting it was easier to notice, how the model would look soggy and uncanny if it's not pushed enough, but somehow it's harder to overcome in 2d. this also ties in with stylization, I always felt like semi-realism was the way to go (because ''anime style bad''), but I am stuck at a point where it's barely even semi-realism, it's stylized but in a way that doesn't feel…styled. kind of like picrel, which I found and isn't mine. it's not bad per se, but the fact that my stuff is kind of like that, there's nothing distinguishing, there's none of the things that make me like other people's art, it's too safe and often over-rendered.

I feel like a retard for this ramble, but am too scared to post my shit as an example lol. hopefully I made even some sense

>>1988059
yes, this is good advice of course…idk why drawing still-life is always so boring as an idea, when it's actually fun when you just get started lol

No. 1988335

>>1987947
I feel this way with anime/chibi art. I can’t do it well but I learned a lot during formative years and it’s awkward and amatuer. I can’t even cross into normal illustration or children's books.
Apart from what was mentioned I’d say really lean on references and studies to rebuild your visual library. I think we (artists) tend to default to our foundation when not knowing how something works and that can cause regression into a style not wanted and we end up frustrated as a result.

No. 1988343

File: 1714675129212.jpg (1.03 MB, 947x1300, GMgjygiWwAAk-UY.jpg)

I need to vent somewhere, I really don't like overendered stuff but I noticed you can get away with it even if the anatomy is bad
picrelated looks so bad to me, it's soulless but of it has 30k+ , afaik this guy is just another sakimiclone

No. 1988358

>>1987947
>>1988181
As someone who also tries to diversify character design partly from tumblr, just git gud, figure out why something works in stylization/simplification. I know lolcow has a hateboner for art styles trying to be different, I will never forget that anon who said Ryoko Kui has tumblr nose. But novelty goes a long way even if it isn't performative activism. I get a generally good feedback with my art direction from friends, commissioners and followers.

No. 1988364

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>>1988343
Wait is that Falin? Kek It looked so soulless I just saw sakimichan anime girl and paid no mind to the other details

No. 1988368

>>1987860
>you WILL NOT reference my work without permission
What causes this twittard specific mindset? Referencing is very common in art, looking at other artist stuff isa great way to inspire yourself, why do they throw fits about this? Referencing is not plagiarism or theft, what the hell. I simply don't understand. These people have terminal main character syndrome. They're so insufferable.

No. 1988373

>>1988343
I hate this type of face so much. It has that many likes because of the boobs

No. 1988379

>>1988343
I liked the thumbnail but when I opened it something about the face and that creepy tiny hand smaller than her nipples irked me. It's like AI, I like how the feathers -?- are rendered so just looking at the thumbnail or not paying attention it took away my attention from how crappy and mannequin-like the rest of the picture is. I think this is why AI slop is so popular with normies

No. 1988401

>>1988368
I don't know, it is kind of annoying that other people can just take your work and basically redraw it with different characters. Are you supposed to stay quiet and wait for others to notice and speak up on your behalf?

>>1988172
Exactly, it's so soulless. I feel the same about people who make those Fallen Angel or Leyendecker copies. They obviously only do it to get a hit tweet for once since the rest of their usual shit doesn't get any attention

No. 1988433

>>1988401
I think it’s fine to reference other artists for studying but unless it’s a master copy, don’t share it.
>>1988343
Since knowing artists like this photobash and trace or color over 3D figures I don’t care anymore. The magic is gone.

No. 1988448

>>1988433
I still don't know why ai artist get bashed by people who photobash. It's the same fucking thing, stealing shit and drawing over. Fuck photobashing, it should be shat on like ai

No. 1988520

>>1982044
Just look at the original comic for One Punch Man.

No. 1988527

>>1985996
You should feel blessed

No. 1988530

>>1986533
I honestly think only black people can and should draw black people. No one else is capable of getting it right without whitewashing or making ugly racial caricatures. I think everyone would be happier that way

No. 1988555

>>1988368
Referencing like that would require some credit. Something she didn't do. What's so hard to understand? Can you really not tell the division between been inspired and plagiarizing something? If you were heavily inspired by a piece to make your own, why wouldn't you credit? We all know why they don't credit the og artist. It's because people will see how unispired and samey their art look. I hate this fake naivety people pull when it comes to this and their euphemistic terms, to the point she claims she didn't even reference the piece >>1987986 because she "changed the objects and the pose", so it's not a reference anymore?
>>1988530
OP claims the artist who drew that was black.

No. 1988586

>>1988181
If you work digitally, use a hard black brush at 100% opacity on a white canvas and sketch faces without blending. As well as helping with over rendering, it'll give you a better sense of placement of facial features and how they relate to each other, which should help you fix the soggy look.

No. 1988644

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Good.

No. 1988651

>>1988644
>pinkypills
this is a tranny, isnt it?

No. 1988654

>>1987883
>>1987860
This is probably one of the best ways to gain followers and get attention on twitter nowadays lol. Just find a schizo artist you like and copy/emulate the hell out of them until they break and put you on blast. Will probably also work on tiktok.
If they don't do it then their followers will, especially on tiktok

No. 1988656

>>1988651
Oddly enough, not this time. She's just a weirdly obnoxious German artist who was the official FNAF comic artist.

No. 1988657

>>1988656
Really? What did she do?

No. 1988658

>>1988656
never understood why they hated her.

No. 1988676

>>1988656
Lots of accusations of art theft and tracing. Drew some fanart of the series' main antagonist getting horny off of killing kids (killing kids is his whole thing but getting sexually aroused over it is what pissed people off). Joked about touching herself while thinking about someone named Mr. C which everyone believes is Scott Cawthon.

There's a big ass reddit post that goes over just about everything.
https://old.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/1c1oii8/regarding_the_situation_with_pinkypills/

No. 1988679

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>>1988657
>>1988658
NTA but if this is the person I'm thinking of she made a comic where it was implied that William got off when killing childern and also traced and stole fan art to put in offical work and is just generally annoying. AFAIK she drew picrel lmao.
Still don't know how FNaF fans are still sperging over a 3 year old drama but I guess they were all mostly tards to begin with.

No. 1988701

>>1988448
lol, photobashing is so much more. It requires intention, skill and knowledge. Some art you love prabably has photobashing in it, you just haven't noticed.

It's like saying 3d artists are cheating since they are using phototextures instead of modelling a normal map and painting the texture themselves.

So if you don't get why AI artists get bashed and photobashing doesnt, well that's why. Also photobashing can be done ethically, using royalty free, paying for license, or taking your own photos. AI datasets don't allow for accreditation in any way shape or form, and that's why it is always theft.

On the topic of photobashing tho, check out @Render96VGTP on twitter for some really cool uses of phototextures in videogames and videogame related paraphernalia. The pokemon cards especially blow me away with the simplicity and how well intergrated they are.

No. 1988728

File: 1714701179280.jpg (60.24 KB, 605x605, chad.jpg)

I always fuck up my drawings when i have to draw the clothes. I put so much effort into learning how to properly draw figures that i forgot that they are going to get covered by clothes anyways.

No. 1988780

>>1987986
>>1987860
I swear i'm not trying to start an infight but i find the bigger artist disgraceful and annoying. Imitation is flattery, the constant 'you COPIED me!!' accusations read like childish bickering. It would be much more serious if the numbers were reversed, but this isn't the case. She could have DMed the other if it was such an issue.
>When I see an artist emulating others
That would be every single artist. Some are better at synthetizing and coming up with new elements but you ultimately learn by copying.

>>1988181
Seconding the life drawing advice. The way you describe your art makes it sounds like you 'carve' or slowly work your way through facial features. I'd suggest limiting your number of strokes/lines, favoring bold shadows and sharp contrast in the sketch stage. Try to draw like someone you really admire, or even try multiple styles that are really different from yours. Eventually your own touch will alter them and you can try to reinject this into your regular style. I find life drawing and pretending to be another artist are really good 'palate cleansers', they offer a break from that dull 'everything i touch turns to shit' feeling

No. 1988785

>>1988530
Silly. Just don’t be a dick to poc and ignore silly twitter performativisms.

No. 1988855

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>>1959085
Saw in /snow/ that most of tifs do not draw tif characters with a feminine body, but use a masculine body, paste them scar chests and call it a tif. Why is this so common?

No. 1988874

>>1988855
A lot of it I think is to feed into their delusions of passing as 'natal' men (or they find the concept of stealthing and the eventual reveal hot or something idk), and so if they were to draw a tiffed out male character with an obvious female body (even a hormonally masculinised one) it'd ruin the illusion. The tif traits are also a form of self-inserting and making a character more relatable to them, which is kind of wild if you think of it in the context of 'I can't like/relate to someone without them having been mutilated the same way I have/want to be'. Also if you just slap on surface traits like the scars, it doesn't really change the initial character design too much, which is what actually appeals to them

There are also tif artists who do the whole 'draw a girl, call it a boy' thing, often mixed up with a bunch of other fetishes and #positivity things, but that's a different mindset imo

No. 1988875

File: 1714710240802.jpeg (Spoiler Image,330.59 KB, 1170x1585, IMG_0837.jpeg)

notorious tranny chaser yoloswagstudios has now posted his penis on Twitter for attention

No. 1988885

>>1988780
>Imitation is flattery
Does this extend to making money off of imitations by selling prints kek

No. 1988886

>>1988780
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I fundamentally think different from you. Arguments like "everything is a copy" always felt short and dismissive in my eyes. There are varying levels of referencing and copying and saying every artist copies each other to the same level she did is just throwing any nuance out of the window. I truly can't understand this black and white thinking.
It's absolutely fine to be inspired and learn elements from other artists, but this level of copying is just ripping someone off. Master studies are studies, nobody claims them as their own or hides the source. There's a clear difference to me and had she credited her, I wouldn't see any issues, but she even made sure to say didn't even reference her kek. According to the tweets that was the second time she copied her art, the first time she agreed to give her credit, so she probably DMed her.
I don't care about who is the bigger or smaller artist, specially when the numbers of both of them are not even that high. Being a small artist doesn't give you a pass to copy others without crediting and passing as your own.
To me, studies are not copies in the sense of stealing, they are genuine analysis and breakdowns and don't hide the source. Trying to pass someone's idea as your own is just not the same and she planned on selling those.

No. 1988889

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So I stumbled upon a picture I liked and looked up the artist.
The first post I see was them complaining that so many see her oh so female character as a man.
I am a beginner at drawing so I don't know shit and if this artists was already mentioned here, but I hate it so much when people do stuff like that. It looks clearly like man.
Sorry I think I just needed to show it somewhere.

No. 1988933

>>1988889
As a lesbo I hate it when "lesbian" artists draw buff women as man lite, completely ignoring the female form to just create a weird, gross version of a buff man with more breast tissue. Muscular woman do not look like that. It reminds me of the meme of a man's ideal man (an aggro roidpig) vs a woman's. It feels like they're just getting all ideas of the lesbian sexuality preferences from male centric preferences. It feels really fetishy. They should just draw men and leave lesbians alone by blaming us for what they draw.

No. 1988943

>>1987877
that glub guy is clearly joking, come on now

No. 1988950

>>1988889
There's something about this that just looks nasty. Like it's just the artists fetish. It makes me think of the whole Amazonian woman trope where they're massive and partially clothed. Or that French artist who draws unnaturally large buff dudes.

No. 1988959

>>1988950
I just went and looked up their account and that's exactly what this character is. She's the nasty Amazonian trope.

No. 1988966

>>1988889
really feels like one of those "queer" female artists who are "totally into women" but they only draw men and call them she/her to justify it

No. 1989018

>>1988889
I think if it weren’t for the hips, she’d look like a buff pretty boy with the way their face clashes with their build. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen ssa artist draw a man and call it a woman kek.

No. 1989023

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>>1988889
Ah, I remember seeing this artist’s gerudo fanarts

No. 1989030

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>>1988966
I think you’re right. I looked at the artist’s patreon and I’m pretty certain she draws futa (peek between the censors on the top left image)

No. 1989188

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>>1989030
Sorry samefagging but something I noticed is the futas are these bigger darker amazonian musclewomen domming their smaller softer-bodied waifs.
>>1988889
Like what's with these "lesbian" artists claiming to love big muscular women then turning them into futas kek? I found Love Lies Bleeding kind of shiet but at least it remembered muscular women have vaginas and aren't just male-lite (it was even influenced by Pumping Iron II, a documentary about female bodybuilders challenging what's considered "femininity"). Maybe that's why these musclemommy "lesbian" lovers ignored it even though it catered to them. You just know the fanart would be horrendous if this was a mainstream videogame or 2d animation and not live-action with real women on the screen

No. 1989201

>>1989188
bcs these artists are just bisexual women with a tranny fetish which they love shoving in every f/f space known to man. the ones who are really just attracted to femininity.

No. 1989209

>>1988933
god im in the exact same boat as you nonna. bonus points if they pair said roidpig body with the most egregiously overdone drag-queen-esque face of makeup known to man. then theyll smugly pat themselves on the back for drawing "gnc" women. ugh.

No. 1989233

>>1989188
are futas fetishized intersex people or are they just post-op trannies

No. 1989237

>>1989233
They were supposed to be intersex, but then the blatant homosexuality of moids turned futas into moids that have dick and balls, no vagina and the weirdest bodies you could ever imagine depending on the fetish of the moid.

No. 1989311

>>1988933
>male centric preferences
Have to agree, 'massive musclemommy anime girl' is a very male take on masculine women, the opposite of bifauxnen. It's not that women never like muscle but it's much, much more likely to occur with real women. It just doesn't show up in 2D all that much
>>1989201
That's what i don't understand, the initial point of futa is the contrast of a feminine woman w/ a penis. Its appeal is how extremely unrealistic it is but western artists still need to reference general male anatomy, use 'GNC' personas and make them dark (???), on top of existing 'agressive woman must have penis' implications. Very strange

No. 1989357

>>1989030
This is heterosexual sex. The artist has zero attraction towards female bodies. The buff "woman" is fucking the skinny girlies like a man. She just wishes moids had the souls and personalities of women, and probably thinks TiMs do.

No. 1989414

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>>1988950
>>1988959
>Amazonian woman trope

I thought the same

No. 1989491

I never saw this asked, but how do I learn to draw NSFW? I'm talking hot steamy passionate (sex) scenes, should I just try to replicate the sex scene in movies for starters?
Drawing one person can be hard enough but my head hurts just thinking about drawing couples

No. 1989493

>>1989414
I kinda vibe with this tbh

No. 1989781

>>1989311
I think we had a talk about this on one of the older fandom threads here but it’s such a common pattern

No. 1990125

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>>1989491
>how do I draw NSFW
Don't, it's a trap.

In all seriousness though, you have to draw what gets YOU off, anon. not some random movie or porn's choices. It should still follow the standard fundamentals of art like composition.

No. 1990134

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>>1990125
This. I started with stuff that gets me on, and then started in learn how the anatomy and perspective works. If you try to draw a kink/porn/fetish you're not into, you'll end hating to draw in general.

No. 1990237

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>>1990134
I still feel irreparably damaged getting addicted to moid hentai and being surrounded by /ic/ moids who consumed said hentai. They'll find shit like emergence deep, heartwarming and meaningful when so many are just derranged misogynistic ryona fetishes.

No. 1990242

>>1990125
Source? This is goals

No. 1990256

I’m so tired of this artist trend of labeling Instagram reels videos as “my item flopped” or “my worst selling item” or “going through my least popular items” because it’s very clearly just being done to get engagement and impulse buyers and there’s like 0 shame at all. The comments of these videos are filled with other artists chomping at the bit to give completely unsolicited “advice” on how to “improve” and consoomers saying how they rushed to buy said “flopped” item. This trend is so popular I’m willing to bet 95% of videos you see now have things people just got from their manu and are just using that template to immediately sell out their item. instagram artists are unbearably corny these days

No. 1990369

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>>1988889
its clear this artist knows how to draw muscle but cant she(?) look up actual reference of real strongwomen, i even searched for hourglassed (or as she says it Dorito shape which is used for buff men) women and i only got the corset strapped ones most muscular women have a soft rectangle torso to them and the breasts dont turn into pecs but get a bit flat or retain their shape but even so the shapes are still more softer and not triangular and edged like a moid would have but i have a suspicion shes not into women or butch women at all considering she drew >>1989030 . i can never take a lesbian artist seriously if she draws futa which is troon shit

No. 1990385

>>1990256
They're simply using the opportunity to make money. I don't really mind it, but I wish people could recognize that it's an ad and that they don't actually need whatever item it is. At this point half of all tiktok videos or insta reels are probably ads but no one fully realizes or thinks about what they are watching. I honestly find it more pathetic when artists whine about random posts flopping since there is no money involved, it's just attention that they want

No. 1990556

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>>1988889
They should spend more time looking at muscular women instead of hentai, breasts don't turn into giant fleshy orbs from working out.

No. 1990828

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the porn artist are pretending their oppressed.

No. 1990838

>>1988889
i dont understand why people seethe at this, she isnt hurting anyone let her draw what she wants. Its also impossible for a man to look like that but all of you would be slobbering over a roidpig with that body.

No. 1990868

>>1990828
kekk they're so insufferable. they'll also act like you're personally killing them if you ever criticize their badly drawn porn and don't want to see it 24/7 on your timeline. if they get "restricted to porn" that's their own fault for making that their main thing

No. 1990871

>>1990828
>if you draw porn you’re not valid as an actual artist
Correct, I have never see a porn artist(or a regular artist with a nsfw side account) create genuinely captivating and interesting art

No. 1990890

>>1990838
Shut up about roidpigs you weirdo

No. 1990895

>>1990828
Idc if you’re Michelangelo. If I see you drawing degrading depictions of women I’m blocking you.

No. 1990906

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>>1990838
>Its also impossible for a man to look like that but all of you would be slobbering over a roidpig with that body.
its more possible for a man to have that body than a actual biological woman, if youre going to parade as a "lesbian" artist draw women and not mtf looking orcs

No. 1990911

>>1990906
I dont understand why you are so angry, let her draw her unrealistic roidpig lesbians. Moids cry whenever women draw men who are too "feminine" or women who are too "masculine" already and its annoying. Just block her and move on. There are thousands of lesbian artists who draw barely legal uber feminine looking girls.

No. 1990926

>>1990911
Name five of those "lesbians"

No. 1990943

>>1990828
>you're not valid
Ehhh… there are so many successful artists of all kinds that are degenerates and make degenerate stuff, maybe you are just not that good. Or maybe you nurtured an audience of coomers uninterest in anything else. Maybe both.

No. 1990944

>>1990926
Morinaga milk, the creator of yuru yuri, that one dc artist who cosplays as catwoman sometimes. The yuri genre is already filled by feminine women so i dont know why it bothers you so much that one single artist draws roided women.

No. 1990954

>>1990944
Not all anons are the same.

No. 1990957

>>1990828
Someone call the wambulance the degenerate doesn't like being seen as a good for nothing degenerate

No. 1990962

>>1990944
>i dont know why it bothers you so much that one single artist draws roided women.
the same could be said for you why does it bother you so much that nonnas dont like the roided women? why get so defensive over it if youre not the artist?

No. 1990963

>>1990838
No one slobbers over roidpigs but other roidpigs.

No. 1990964

>>1990911
>>1990944
Are you stupid? Anons are annoyed that they drew a woman with franz frazetta anatomy and massive pec tits instead of just drawing them like a muscular woman would realistically look like. No one is asking for your schoolgirls and capeshit series for men.

No. 1990970

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>>1990964
Exactly the character looks unrealistic as to what muscular women look like and is obviously the artists fetish. The other anons are right that she can't actually fathom a lesbian relationship so she uses the roidwomen as pseudo men just so she can enjoy it. The futa also makes this obvious.

No. 1990976

>>1990962
Because the same vendettafag has been bringing up this artist for months. Also women can look like that, check bodybuilders who abuse roids like killer sally.

No. 1990986

>>1990970
OT but I’m sorry that’s the most stereotypical tumblr art style I’ve ever seen.

No. 1991061

>>1990369
Is this victorian image real or is it photoshop? Yes they had a version of photo editing back then lol. I would love to know the story behind those women. Natty goals.
>>1990556
I’ve seen those muscles in anatomy books, wild to see them on flesh and bone.
I’d love to see more strong women in illustration but I can only think of the gideon blood skeleton book ? And she’s still drawn like a man most times, sadly.

No. 1991117

>>1990385
I understand why they’re doing it, but to me it feels like the equivalent of ebegging. These are also the types of artists who make those “my post flopped pls gib like” too

No. 1991311

>>1990828
Show this to people who think moid coom artists not getting enough backlash, we're progressing.

No. 1991312

>>1960001
You get a shitty deal but you also get an inbuilt fanbase by virtue of being East Asian. There are communities where people specifically seek out Chinese/Korean/Japanese comics. You don’t need to post on webtoons either

No. 1991368

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Have there been any instances of big artists making comics complaining about small artists? I only ever see it the other way around kek

No. 1991375

>>1991368
i read that as “big autist” from the homepage.

No. 1991434

>>1991368
kekk
also read as big autist

No. 1991457

>>1986957
I think the main reason the whitewashing arguement persists is because people will immediately look to dismiss it by handwriting it as lighting or "muh style". The original picture also smooth out the braids to the point of unrecognition which were the main focal point of the drawing meme from my understanding too. A lot of little mistakes like this adds up. I don't care about getting jumped here, but a lot of non-americans also like to pretend colorism doesn't exist in their countries which is why they refuse to see the other side of the argument too.

No. 1991487

>>1991368
Don't most big artist have their own discord where they chat and shit at? I don't get why people don't understand why not everyone would want to make long lasting friendship/acquaintances over a piece of art where Garfield dicked down by Felix the cat or some shit. Befriend other smaller artist.

No. 1991515

>>1991368
I've always found this complain to be retarded, as if big artists we're obligated to reply to someone just because they're an artist too

No. 1991588

>>1991368
>and it's the worse
get real fucking problems, jesus. This is so retarded.

No. 1991615

>>1990838
>Its also impossible for a man to look like that
real. but it's not even entirely impossible for a woman to look like that, what if she's guzzling t + got surgery and is posed at such an angle that her body looks xy roid-piggy? justification aside, it's art, aka fiction, proportions can be as skewed and unrealistic as the artist wants.

like nobody who whines about something like this >>1988889 is going to piss their pants over other impossible depictions in art, like dragons or cat boys.

No. 1991632

>>1988889
I could tell from glancing at the thumbnail that the character was a fantasy-buff barbarian lady, but the artist pretending like people assuming the character is male is some kind of surprise is more annoying. She's just fishing for attention for how stunning and brave her blatant fetish/power-fantasy OC is.

I have an extremely androgynous fighter lady oc of my own, and I don't give a shit if people mistake her for an androgynous fighter guy- it's just part of the territory for that kind of character design, as well as the nature of most art being looked at for two seconds while someone's scrolling on their phone.

The NSFW art is pretty jank though kek, can see why it bothers people more than the barb with her boobies out.

No. 1991642

>>1991368
I draw like shit and a big artists always likes my posts about art, it makes me happy

No. 1991653

>>1991368
So small artist only comments on big artist's work to get personal attention from big artist, not because they actually like the art? This is such a self-own. Small artist should stop seeking internet fame and work on improving their art.

No. 1991662

>>1991368
Kek it's because the type of person who'd complain about this shit is someone who values likes and follower count over relationships. "Big artists" get enough attention in numbers so they probably tend to just see others as normal people that also happened to gain a following. If they don't get enough likes they attribute it to the post flopping, not some random other person not boosting it enough

No. 1991680

>>1991368
I have a big fat pimple on the left side of my temple and I would want to poke it and let it burst all over the face of the obnoxious faggot who made this tweet(a-logging)

No. 1991686

>>1991368
If you think big artists who gets thousands of likes and messages every time they post missing your message is something to run away and cry about I will assume you have the mental maturity of a 9 year old

No. 1991919

>>1988343
30k for this shit? No wonder AI will take over most art. This is so soul less.

No. 1991922

>>1991632
>the artist pretending like people assuming the character is male is some kind of surprise is more annoying. She's just fishing for attention for how stunning and brave her blatant fetish/power-fantasy OC is.
I agree with this so hard. I annoys so much when artists make OCs that are clearly purposefully meant to look like the opposite sex but then act all clueless or even offended when they keep getting comments with the wrong pronouns. There's an artist whose name I can't recall that has a femboy OC that wear pigtails and she always inserts "btw he's a he/him" disclaimers in a way that comes off as obnoxious. Then these artists get offended when they are told that it makes no sense to draw a girl call it a boy (or vice versa) and tact surprised when people instinctively assume the character to be a girl. I wish they just admit they do it on purpose and moved on my tinfoil is that they actually want people to misgender the character and think they're weird so the artists can do fake social justice about their characters' gender and feel important

No. 1992094

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I am so tired of this fag dissapearing every few months. Pretty much the only reason why i use twitter anymore is to hunt him down and dl his art before he nukes. I dont understand why he doesnt even draw nsfw. Is it the menhera?

No. 1992111

>>1992094
this is so cute, drop his current handle nona please

No. 1992117

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>>1992111
he just nuked but you can find his stuff under kona_ming in most boorus. I love their simplistic style with a lot of focus on form and anatomy

No. 1992121

>>1992117
found him on gelbooru, thank you!

No. 1992123

>>1992094
He's probably paranoid, what do you mean with menhera though? Does he cut and post it online like other menhera people do on Twitter?

No. 1992133

>>1992123
Menhera doesnt only mean cutting its just means mentally ill individual or BPD-kun in this case.

No. 1992402

I have a really dumb question that I'm not even sure if it belongs here or in the stupid question thread. I realized that I can't live without art, the process of drawing or painting is genuinely one of the only things that feel like they fill my life with a meaning. Making money from it again would be nice too, but I'm not entirely sure if I can go back into doing commissions, considering I'm from Russia and back in the day I preferred to draw for foreigners who tended to pay more. These days every paying option being sanctioned and, I suppose, general resentment online are making it harder.
Anyway, earning from art is currently not the biggest problem at hand (I still decided to mention it in case if any Russian nona can offer some ideas), it's me not knowing anymore what do I even want to draw. I'm so disillusioned with various communities and life itself that nothing really feels worth of depicting. I used to be your typical furry fag fandom dweller for decades, even managed to turn it into a fun and stable income source, but as of today these spaces became infested with troons, munchies, and other people that somehow come off as worse than retards I used to hang out with back in the day. I feel alienated. I currently draw super basic shit like flowers or clouds, but that kind of artwork never felt serious or genuine, it's like what casual smartphone games are to actual video games. I just do it for the sake of the process and lack of actual ideas, but this content is essentially worthless both for me and for others.

The question I'm trying to ask is, were any of you going through something similar? What does it even mean to have an art passion? How did you find a spark again? And so on, I'm interested to hear what experiences people who took a long break have. Especially if you are an ex-kweer artist.

No. 1992405

>>1992402
There are ways to receive payment from foreigners, you just should search for it, like Boosty, hipolink, easystaff, and Paypall posrednique…

No. 1992407

>>1992402
Interresting post nonna, i heard people use Boosty for russian commissions, is that something you could do?
I feel this too, that doing art is what i was put on Earth to do, i'm worthless with anything else but pretty god at drawing. I had this loss of passion when i went to art University. They made us do conceptual art even though the major was called "Drawing" so being forced into something i think is clownery made me lose all hope for art and i was very depressed at the time because the only way to be famous/get shows/get money was to do conceptual art (and it still is in my country) and to assclimb pervy professors.
I think depression and loss of passion for art goes hand in hand. The single thing that pulled me out into enjoying the beauty of art was psychedelics. I left Uni so i didn't have to scribble bullshit and then write 20 pages about how deep it is, and i also stopped drawing boring fleshy people like i did before because i thought it was edgy … I started to draw my visions and all the entities i saw when i was high. I still do that today though i don't have as much time for it because i also need to make money on furfags so my goverment can take it from me and give it to someone else kek.

No. 1992413

>>1992405
I don't mean that you should ofc, but you can if you want! I know that ppl in Russia still receive payments from foreigners, but there is commission.

No. 1992419

>>1992402
I'm also russian, although in a better situation not living there. I think now commission artists from russia use boosty and hipolink, for real. My partner is living in russia and i take payment on my paypal and either buy her stuff or transfer her via our friend who has a card in another country of CIS region. It's a mess.
But as for your second question, damn, i get it. I take commissions from furries and damn, tittyscars are prevalent, insane. I'm currently focusing on my OCs and drawing stuff for myself and my friends. Characters they like, ocs, themselves even sometimes. Drawing flowers and stuff like that can also be fun, when i do studies, i do them based on things that are significant to me. Like my cat, my old school, things like that. Idk if it might not be serious for someone else, but it is for me. Also, this kind of things might have its worth to someone too, if the technique is good or idk if you add meaning to it yourself.
I had a long break in drawing, pursuing other things, i lost passion when my art became too much tumblr looking for me and i was too busy with other things in my life. But I came back to it last year and now it's hard for me not to draw, even if it doesn't look the best sometimes. I wish i drew more in the past, but i guess i'm only now open to it more than ever.
Idk sorry for rambling, always excited to see people in similar situation as me kek

No. 1992626

Sometimes i dream of making a channel like moriah's. Just trying challenges and making marketable characters i can become rich off while i draw anime guys shagging privately. Idk just a dream.

No. 1992629

>>1992626
I know right, I also wish I could do stuff like her.

No. 1992634

>>1992629
she made me realize that as long as you are charismatic you can make it at life. I dont think anyone would watch her if she had the personality of nerdecrafter or raedizzle

No. 1992913

Checked back on TwistedDisaster to see what she's been up to and as per usual, girl can't admit that her stuff may not be as great if she barely makes profits and has to feel the need to make sure to mention that other artists at the event were struggling as well (which I doubt). I just wish that she would be more humble and admit her Ls without making excuses for herself.

No. 1992923

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>>1992913
She's also been working on some Hazbin Hotel merch and this was her take on Lucifer and it's uh. Something. She seemed really stoked about it and good for her I guess but I can't help but feel it doesn't look all that great.

No. 1992933

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>>1992913
>>1992923
I'll give her this though, her take on Asmodeus wasn't actually that bad, he actually looks pretty okay.

No. 1993444

>>1992913
Sakuracon is a lottery for AA, not sure what she's talking about regarding jury unless she did exhibitor's? She would've had to have minimal fanart to do that though.

No. 1993497

>>1990986
Every style is tumblr in lolcow.

No. 1993647

i feel like studying artists who make the doe eyed glossy lipped thick thighed fan art has stunted me so fucking hard. one of the most embarrassing revelations ive had this past 2 years is that there is a big difference between art you find pretty and art you actually want to steal from/create yourself. now when it comes to studying that kind of art i feel so demotivated and honestly intimidated because its so drastically different and complicated than what im used to

No. 1994278

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How do I stop my friend from consuming and drawing lolicon? She is very talented and I feel like she is wasting her talent on something as horrible as that. I tried to talk to her but nothing seems to convince her since she is making good money selling her drawings on fanbox. Could any of you give me advice? Please, I'm desperate and I don't want her to end up as a sexual depraved person.

No. 1994285

>>1992626
there are lots of people inspired by her channel, if you want to make an art channel do it! i used to watch graveyard loon too but then he shifted towards doing lego videos.

No. 1994295

>>1994278
Whats her/your friendgroup like? Is she surrounded by moids who reaffirm this shit? Try to surround both of yourself with more female artists who don't do loli.

No. 1994308

>>1994278
>She's making good money.
Then, if i were her I wouldn't stop drawing that even if the president told me to kek
Sucks to see a friend wasting her time ans talent like that, but we all need to eat. Unfortunately I think your only options are cut her off or suck it up. If she was just drawing it for fun there would be a possibility of trying making her change her mind, but I highly doubt she will willingly refuse a source of income just because a single friend told her it's morally wrong.

No. 1994339

>>1994278
>lolicon
>don't want her to end up as a sexual depraved person
Sorry sister but you've already lost her

No. 1994349

>>1994278
doesnt she get repulsed at the type of moids she's working with? i did random nsfw commissions and the faggot who used to commission me mildly deviant stuff made me quit drawing. She must like it, its not for the money.

No. 1994538

fucking hell i need to learn how to render. Anyone has recs of some artists that i could do master studies of? digital prefeerably

No. 1994554

>>1994538
why don't you try and copy artists you like?
there are many ways to render an image

No. 1994590

>>1994554
pretty much all my favourite artists just sketch. I would like to learn how to render like generic anime artists.

No. 1994629

>>1994590
you need to broaden your tastes beyond amateurs on social media. search illustration hashtags and start looking at the work of professionals. visit google arts and culture page, familiarize yourself with art history. just because you draw digitally doesn't mean you should limit your exposure to only digital artists.

No. 1994632

>>1994629
i just want to draw anime to draw my husbando, i dont wanna be no sargent

No. 1994643

>>1994632
>she doesn't want to do an impressionist oil painting of her husbando with a handmade canvas and paint brushes made out of her pet's hair/feathers and old toothbrushes to create an opus that describes the permanence of her husbando in the fleeting moments of happiness that he brings to her
Lame.

No. 1994700

>>1994632
go to pinterest and copy random tutorials then.

No. 1994979

>>1994700
no need to be so rude i just asked recommendations of artists i could study from.

No. 1995147

>>1994278
she’s a woman so it’s unlikely she’ll go down the route of a gooner and try to actualize her fetishes. if anything she probably just enjoys size difference and the taboo aspects, i’d leave her alone to her business honestly

No. 1995220

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I hate these people so fucking much.

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No. 1995457

>>1994278
Just stop being friends with her if she's a lolicon pedo. You can't talk people out of their depraved fetishes, they will never be able to see the thing that turns them on as anything bad, they can only see it as sexy.

No. 1995499

>>1994278
Assuming women can't be lolicons too
Ever heard of tbrainrot?

No. 1995501

>>1995499
what happened to her?

No. 1995759

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What app is this

No. 1995777

>>1995759
Nomad sculpt I think

No. 1995968

>>1995759
What's the picture from btw?

No. 1995969

>>1994643
Nayrt but unironically based and inspiring. Love you

No. 1997400

I am the anon that wanted to make a comic but didnt feel like her art was good enough. Thanks to your encouragement, and because i realized my fav artist(skill-wise) started his first manga at 40 after 30 years of experience in doujins i decided to give it a try and work on my comic. Thanks, nonnies.

No. 1997418

>>1997400
You can do it, nonnie! I also personally enjoy seeing how the art of the artist improves as the story advances, it's honestly nice and inspiring even.

No. 1997458

>>1997400
Congrats! Who's your fav artist? I'm curious now.

No. 1997522

Nonnies do you know any small business artist youtubers that don't only create cutesy art? I've been trying to find a couple that draw semi realistic/ fantasy art that's not really anime but not super fine art but it seems like there's none. Inkwell is probably the only one I've found that kind of fits what I'm looking for. Thank you nonnies

No. 1997523

>>1997458
Hiro. He's not my favourite mangaka but his art style is my ultimate goal. He's just amazing at anatomy, hatching, drawing clothes, backgrounds, everyhting basically.

No. 1997534

>>1997400
>>1997523
There are so many manga artist that not only started "late", but also they didn't have a good style but they evolved the more they draw. As long as your story keeps the fan hooking and want to know more, that's what matters besides that you're happy with your art and story, in first place.

No. 1997540

>>1997534
I know, but i have always been strongly visual and i am capable of getting past bad themes if it has a beautiful style. Hiro for example draws moeshit, which i dont like that much, but i read all his stuff because he has a lovely style.

No. 1997651

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>work really hard on a piece
>get 7 likes
damn, i know i shouldnt care about it but i want commissions. I hate not knowing if i got low likes because my art sucks or because it doesnt show up in a lot of people's feeds.

No. 1997662

>>1997651
take the fanartpill nona

No. 1997668

>>1997651
Keep uploading anon! I know it's discouraging, but it just takes time. Keep posting as consistently as you can and your audience will find you. Everyone starts out the same! I used to only get 5-10, now they're in the hundreds and I get plenty of commissions even with only 1k followers.

No. 1997679

>>1997662
It is fanart
>>1997668
Thanks its my first time posting hope it gets better. To be fair i am not really good either but i know people on my level who get tons of comms.

No. 1997691

>>1997679
It being your first post makes a lot of sense, I wouldn't worry about the like count right now. I don't know which platform you're using, but there are online tools available that can help with things like hashtags, what time is best to post for your timezone to reach as many online users as you can, etc. The important thing is that the focus should always be on your art and your well being. Like count doesn't dictate your worth as an artist, so when the thoughts bubble up that you're not good enough just remember that feeling isn't reality.

No. 1997878

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>>1997679
>>1997651
7 likes isn't even that bad for a completely new account if you don't already have a following. Keep going and the numbers will increase eventually since people usually won't follow just because of one or two posts. Or figure out why your art isn't shareable. Maybe your skill isn't the issue but it might not be attention-grabbing enough because there's no clutter/appealing colors/story etc. Or maybe you need to take the memepill to boost those numbers. I'm convinced artists like wasabiiiladyy would not have that big of a following if it wasn't for easily consumable memes.

No. 1997903

>>1997679
Post every day and post sketches, WIPs and art you're not totally happy with as well. Don't spend hours on each piece, social media rewards quantity over quality especially when you're getting started.
Don't expect to blow up overnight. You need to remind yourself that you want to do this for money, so the more you draw before you start getting commission requests, the better and faster you'll be, and the more you can charge for your work.

No. 1997905

thanks nonnies. whats the best time to post? at least japanese people on pixiv seemed to like it, i got 14 likes lol

No. 1997912

>>1997905
i got better results on pixiv than on all of my years on twitter honestly

No. 1997916

Seeing artist zoomers talk about how they "can't find" information, references, simple images on Google is depressing. Theres a lot to see on Pinterest if you know how to search but it's not the end all and be all. I see them use the same refs over and over. The same trendy people. Of all the images there. A lot of them can't seem to use anything but Pinterest. I had to teach a zoomer in a server I'm in how to type "woman facing left 3/4 view" into google to pull results. Seeing someone say that they "looked but couldn't find anything" on the entirety of fucking google is depressing. On the one hand I feel bad for them. On the other hand they can edit the fuck out of a tiktok or make a 2 hour deep dive into shit they don't know about so who knows what to think.

No. 1997923

>>1997916
Search engines suck now so that’s part of it. Google is trash. They probably don’t want to try other search engines because they’re scared of who knows what lmao.
>>1997522
Check out a lot of contemporary fine artists, unless you want illustration and that leans more towards comic style (American with heavy ink, traditional old school) because most illustration is cutesy gouache or watercolor pen and ink. What specifically are you wanting to find?

No. 1997931

>>1997923
True, they are. That probably is part of it that I didn't consider. I think some of it is also not venturing beyond Pinterest. Even as much as search engines suck, searching "person standing there" pulls up well.. that. Maybe it's because it's a boring picture of a random person rather than anything more interesting to look at. Maybe they're not being taught. In any case I feel bad for them.

No. 1997997

I wish I was a fanartfag so fucking badly. I'm not even a snob who doesn't like anything popular I just rarely draw fanart I guess, even of things I like

>>1997912
What kind of content do you draw? Is the tagging system on pixiv ok? I keep hearing that Japanese people are really autistic about tagging but I have no idea if that's true or not

No. 1998010

>>1997997
Same except I get crippling feelings of embarrassment every time I draw fan art and end up never posting it.

No. 1998021

I wish I could come up with fun things to draw. I think I have decent artistic capabilities but I feel like it's not worth much if my output is just [girl standing in cute outfit #23] or [husbando smirking portrait #4371] I don't want to just draw the same shit all the time. I think this goes beyond just artist problems but how to people come up with neat scenarios to put characters in and stuff. I feel like a good idea only comes to me once or twice a year while others are pumping out idea after idea on the daily.

No. 1998027

>>1997997
anon from >>1997912

i draw fanart, sfw, pretty basic. i use tags on twitter correctly, try to do all the things you gotta do on twitter to get a decent reach but i still end up with mediocre stats. on pixiv the tagging system seems to work pretty well and users can also add tags for you to help your piece's reach.

No. 1998076

>>1998027
Do you think pixiv is worth it if I draw fanart and original content too? I think I already know the answer but seeing as I can't even force myself to draw something that I like half the time I should at least ask

No. 1998092

>>1998076
the thing with pixiv is that it's an art website, not really a social media. i'd say anything can work on it. i've seen oc stuff as well as fanart do well in it. i personally feel more comfortable posting original content on pixiv than on twitter because i know that on pixiv there's a higher chance it'll reach people while on twitter chances are it'll get buried if i'm not lucky or if i'm not catering to specific tastes and trends. i'd say go for it.

No. 1998205

>>1998021
If you're really stuck in a rut, try pairing those girl-standing and husbando-portraits with a verb to start with- eg girl in outfit running for a simple one. Then, slowly introduce complexity as you get more comfortable by adding more prompts ('girl running' becomes 'girl running late' to add in some character acting, then 'girl running late to save her husbando from a dragon' to add in a second character and more of a world, and on and on). Lame example I know, but doing exercises like that can help train yourself out of just drawing the same or very static thing all the time– gotta train up those creative muscles! Random prompt generators can also be fun, so maybe find one for something you'd enjoy practising if you want even more variety. Good luck anon!

No. 1998277

So tired of seeing brujo ari clones.

No. 1998292

>>1998205
ty nonnie!

No. 1998612

I have the unpopular opinion that sketches>fully finished stuff. rkgk inspires me more than seeing a fully finished piece for some reason.

No. 1998677

Some true artists salt that I suddenly remembered while scrolling pinterest but years ago I stumbled on some man's art site through pinterest. The guy had passed away but his wife maintained his art presence and sold copies of his work. I distinctly remember when looking at his prints his wife had posted this long ass college length essay on each page detailing how you were not to alter her husband's precious artwork in any way due to some pretentious law jargon she shoehorned in, she made a point of mentioning she had a personal lawyer who she checked with and slightly threatened she would sue you with if you dared to used some stupid PRINTS of her dead husband's work as collage material or something.
It was such an over dramatic ass sniffing word document she felt the need to paste on every page of his gallery all for the sake of upholding her dead husband's coomer legacy. Truly pathetic how much a pick me this woman was being for a man who no doubtedly was cheating on her in real life. The bio for this guy and his work had her mentioning how she nude modeled for him along with other women, meanwhile all the women in his artwork had all the same coomer style bodies so I highly doubt he was using these models for visual practice. I hope that woman milked the guy foe all he's worth but damn have some self respect.

No. 1999072

>>1995968
It's from MKBHD's review of the new M4 Ipad Air.

No. 1999112

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how do you get rid of bad habits to draw men? i mostly draw women and want to switch since i dont live off commissions anymore. Men are so hard to draw. How do you even study muscles and remember them?

No. 1999233

How does one draw accurate faces? Every time I try to practice with references the faces always look slightly off in some way and it’s incredibly annoying.

No. 1999274

>>1999112
this is why i'm studying anatomy early kek

No. 1999275

>>1999112
artist?

No. 1999470

>>1999233
flip the canvas

No. 1999862

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>finally confident enough in my art to start working on my game
i dont know if its dunning kruger or if i legit got decent, but i finally feel good enough to start working on personal projects! i am so happy. I am still nowhere where i want, but good enough to make decent placeholder sprites until i get better.

No. 2000407

>>1999233
if digital, try overlapping your work with the original. you may be struggling to accurately judge relationships in size and distance between facial features.
>>1999112
maybe try the "draw from reference, then draw from memory" concept until you nail down what you want to recall

No. 2000452

Drawing comics is a lot harder than I thought it'd be, I can't be as critical to webcomic cows anymore kek

No. 2000467

>>2000452
Genuinely the most humbling experience kek. I understand why some people's art deteriorates, especially popular webtoon artists

No. 2000608

Are instagram comments usually that radioactive or is it just my particular algorithm? I'm just browsing but I really do not see why anyone would want to post art on there at all. Unless social media is just everyone everywhere arguing all the time now.

No. 2000780

>>2000608
I follow a lot of artists and the comments usually arent nasty unless the artist is causing drama, but a lot of the artists I follow are crafters and not drawers, painters, etc so maybe that has something to do with it. But any other post I see is filled with shit flinging chimpanzees so it probably is just Instagram. I think a lot of Twitter refugees and tiktok users have gone there and it has really ruined the vibe of the place.

No. 2000783

>>2000608
I really don’t see much shitflinging on Instagram, at least not on artist’s posts (on stupid memes and shit though it’s a free-for-all). Twitter on the other hand was daily drama everywhere when I was on there.

No. 2000812

>>1998277
post them so we can make fun of them

No. 2000914

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Does anynonny here have experience working with Adobe Fresco? It comes with Creative Cloud, but I'm not sure how to feel about it. I haven't drawn anything digitally in years (I used to bootleg Sai, then used FireAlpaca while in high school, Photoshop/Illustrator in college). Fresco seems a little hard to navigate. Doesn't help that my hands just go completely retarded when I do digital art now. Hopefully with more practice I can improve… What programs seem to be best?
Also, the nonnies in the thread here have inspired me to get back into drawing and improving my art, thank you all ♥

No. 2001029

>>2000608
just like tiktok you are a lot more likely to encounter teenagers, and they are nasty by nature. I do get the weirdest comments, especially when making art of my religion. I do like insta's system of deleting comments. I don't care it's 'sensitive', it's better to delete that dumbass shit

No. 2001051

>>2001029
Nayrt, but you can also disable comments from non-followers as well. Instagram is so shitty for art though.

No. 2001097

>>2000914
Nah, i'd avoid anything adobe. You can use krita if you need a free art program on pc. It might also be a bit difficult to navigate, but at least it is a solid program without any premium shit. Sai or Sai 2 is still a good app for drawing too, when I was returning to drawing a few years ago I started with sai 2. Now i use clip studio when drawing on pc and procreate on ipad. Sometimes i also draw in magma as well.

No. 2001116

>>2000914
It totally depends on how you work and brushes more often than not are more important than the program itself. I haven't used it myself but from what I have seen it works pretty differently from usual digital art programs with its real-time blending and such, so it might be good if you're used to traditional art rather than digital one (but also the brush strokes seem to lag…?). It's freemium, so you lose nothing by trying it for awhile to see if its for you.
The program I use is CSP since its a one-time purchase, the interface is 100% customizable and the brushes' blending is nice. Got it for $20 years ago and it works fine.

No. 2002117

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I have arm soreness/carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms from digital art (gripping stylus too hard) and want to use a pen grip. Which of these four options do you think is best or I should try first?
1) ring-pen ultra grip
2) egg foam grip
3) wavy foam grip
4) foam tubing

No. 2002195

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>>2002117
Third one looks most comfortable but I've seen a few artists wrap their pens like picrel, so maybe try that first to see what thickness you prefer?

No. 2002209

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>>1999112
Human Anatomy for Artists - The Elements of Form by Elliot Goldfinger

No. 2002227

>>1999275
Af_Cf_

No. 2002270

Does anyone know how to upload art without quality being butchered?

No. 2002305

>>2002270
Many social media websites compress your image in order to conserve server space and bandwidth so unless your asking about your own private site I don't think there's much you can do. From what I hear, ARTstation and DA don't compress your files but they're also dedicated art platforms so no surprise there.

No. 2002309

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>>2002270
Depends on the platform. For insta you should save as jpg and use their sizes or exactly double. On twitter I've had the best results by pasting screenshot crops. Never upload artwork in your original resolution if it's above 2000, it always gets butchered (will look sort of grainy until clicked on to enlarge) and it's too much for strangers to have. If anything it'll get stolen easier and used for more things since it's high quality.

No. 2002320

>>1999862
How are you making your game? What engine are you using?
Also congrats nonnie I hope your projects escape from WIP hell

No. 2002326

>>1997905
i want to use pixiv but I'm worried that because I don't have an anime art style it'll be a waste of time

No. 2002439

>>2002309
Thank you for this

No. 2002496

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>>2002195
Where did you find this? I couldn't find people talking about this on youtube. Took your suggestion, I tried using a towel to wrap around the pen and didn't like it, I will try the ring-pen ultra grip and this rubber one I found (I hate that you can only find big packs online but I'm not sure if I'll find it in store).

No. 2002531

I SUCK AT ART AND HATE MYSELF FOR IT

No. 2002539


No. 2002591

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>>2002496
I have seen some artist buying sport bandage tape like picrel so you can adjust the grip like you like.

No. 2002647

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Ari clones are so interesting because they obviously don't want to draw jojo or whatever it is, but they do like it or at least some of the traits that the characters have. Is this the effect of oc culture getting called cringe for so long? Whatever happened to ripping off a character by changing the colorscheme and pretending like it was all totally your own idea? In this case no one would even suspect that it's supposed to be based on something.

No. 2002674

>>2002647
It gets them more publicity to skinwalk your oc as an already popular character

No. 2002733

>>2002674
That’s it, isn’t it? Of course I don’t doubt that it’s from people who just like to project their mental illness onto established characters by “kinning” them or whatever but really, it’s much easier to get attention for your “OC” by grifting off a popular character first for better or for worse.

No. 2002749

>>2002647
it's funny how obvious the inspiration is since she says she doesn't like brujo_ari because Ari is "weird about minors" whatever that means. It's even stupider because Ari got way more popular once she just made them her actual OCs.

No. 2002906

>>2002749
Kek, I kept seeing this too but I'm not sure it what happened. Apparently, they are calling Ari a "pro shipper" (Which is someone who likes "problematic" ships, aka usually minorxadult character if you didn't know)

No. 2002980

>>2002209
i have read morpho before, but its so hard for the muscles to stick. I keep drawing them all weird.

No. 2002984

>>2002320
>How are you making your game? What engine are you using?
using godot, it's a game engine. I learned python before just to get used to coding. You can also use ren'py to make pretty simple games, but i am going the FPS route.

No. 2003008

>>2002984
NTA and not gonna ask here because it's off topic, but you should talk more about your game in the gamedev thread, I'm curious about the premise.

No. 2003014

>>2003008
thanks i will post a webm once its done. Its nothing great just a doom clone.

No. 2003061

>>2002906
kek why? Is it because she sexualizes her ocs sometimes?

No. 2003102

>>2002980
Try combining an anatomy book with rotoscoping the forms and structures over an image sequence or clip of someone with well-defined muscles– making my own animated écorchés and studies was a lifesaver and is my go-to whenever I have to learn a new subject for a piece. (Just make sure that you're not blindly tracing the forms, you have to actively be observing their placement and how they move and why to get the most out of this)

No. 2003107

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>>2002980
I'm not the ayrt but do you think that it might help if you had a diagram of male muscle groups like pic rel beside you as you work? Then you would have a reference for their general shape and placement underneath the skin. I imagine after a while you wouldn't need it anymore as you become more familiar with the shapes. I'm currently using Morpho to learn anatomy so I sympathize with you, it's a lot of information to remember!

No. 2003157

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how tf do you come up with an art name? i want to start a neocities blog and pixiv

No. 2003205

>>2002647
this is just sonic OC donut steal for zoomer girls, it's not that deep

No. 2003332

>>2002309
I feel like i'm going insane, every time i follow the size charts for instagram exactly my image gets slightly cut off

No. 2003435

>>2003157
just smash your keyboard, like all those cool asian artists do, kek

No. 2003437

I hate applying for vgen so much, i really wanted to apply, checked yesterday for the post and there was none. Checked today and it's closed now. So annoying. Last time i was checking who got in instead of me, and it was a bunch of people who can't draw for shit and one even had a completely empty account, how is that fair? I just want to make some moneys…

No. 2003681

>>2003157
I just picked a random object name I thought sounded nice. I kind of did it like >>2003435 on Twitter I made my username random numbers and display name an emoji (after some months I changed the display one to said object).
I guess an art/web name just come to you naturally, I went nameless for a few years.

No. 2003693

>>2003437
they last 24hrs its an absolute pain

No. 2003716

File: 1715781890183.jpg (86.86 KB, 500x596, 203446fg.jpg)

>been drawing for 5 years
>barely improved
kill me, i draw everyday and study drawing books. Anyone else feels the same? i am not downrigth horrible, just mediocre.

No. 2003738

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>>2003716
its the learning curve, im going through it myself learning new courses and softwares can be very overwhelming and comparing yourself to the tutorials is a easy ticket to being depressed and burnt out, its best not to compare your improvement to the books each artist improves on a different pace you might think nothing changed but it mustve
also i love this fucking painting so much kek

No. 2003761

what was the name of that page that had lots of buff japanese moids.

No. 2003776

>>2003716
Do something completely different. Different subject, different medium, different scale. A cheap pack of polymer or air dry clay and some tools will do more for your understanding of anatomy, proportion and form than spending another 5 years getting frustrated at the same exercises. Buy dollhouse miniatures and make a diorama in a box if you struggle with perspective and scale. Paint landscapes if all you draw is people. Sew a shitty plushie of whatever you're drawing at the moment. I promise that you'll improve in ways you didn't know were possible if you branch out more.

No. 2003796

>>2003761
freephotomuscle?

No. 2003877

>>2003796
yes, thank you!!. Time to do some studies.
does anyone know of more similar pages? pinterest is shit for good anatomy refs

No. 2003979

>>2003157
I took what I liked and mixed into a name.

No. 2004614

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I'm convinced its just straight girls wanting that special lesbian label with this shit. This is just yaoi.

No. 2004623

>>2004614
These are straight up men. Like, generally, I thought you were bluffing until I looked at their twitter bio.

No. 2004800

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I found more works of that oliver ledroit guy who illustrated requiem chevalier vampire and I wish there was an easy way to read the comics he worked on. Especially Wika bc I love fairies and the drawings are so intricate I want to study them. I know his shit is very coomery and overembellished but I love super ornate shit like that and have a sad lack of intricacies in the way I draw, so his stuff would very fun to study along with others. But the big comic hosting websites are littered with pop-up malware spam that makes the comics impossible to view. And I don't even have a laptop to download a program to block that shit so I'm screwed. The dudes so old he doesn't really have any professional socials, and the only "galleries" of his work online are shops looking to sell prints/originals of his work.
Is there at least any other artists anyone here knows of that draw ornate slightly tacky styled stuff like this?

No. 2004815

>>2004800
>Is there at least any other artists anyone here knows of that draw ornate slightly tacky styled stuff like this?
chinese artists

No. 2004832

>>2004614
Those are grown ass men.

No. 2004835

>>2004614
i envy men, they dont have to see this shit and all band together to bully the 15yos gendies drawing their waifus as fatties. Maybe we need to bring back bullying.

No. 2004857

>>2004835
We still have bullying it's only against the socially acceptable people instead of a free for all which is why the internet is even more shitty than in the past.

No. 2004882

>>2004800
Beautiful, but the baby's face kekkkk

No. 2004890

>>2004882
Op and yeah everything about the baby is funny as fuck. It's painted Bratz styled face, it's lemon shaped head, the way the mom is holding it

No. 2004938

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>>2004614
This one over here calls herself a "femme d-word" yet redrew vi as a male cause she didn't like vi's og female design, draws males and claims that they're "butches" (are the butches in the room with us rn?) And has an obsession with butchfemmes

No. 2004942

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>>2004938 same anon
Here's her redesign of vi

No. 2004956

>>2004938
>>2004942
who cares? yuri is a shit fetish(off-topic bait)

No. 2005015

>>2004942
>"butches are literally just men lolololo"

SHUT THE FUCK UUUUUUUUUUP.

No. 2005025

>>2004938
The "draw a man, call it a woman" art trend is getting on my nerves. Idk if it's just my autism but it legitimately makes me fume sometimes because it literally feels like gaslighting, like literal 4chan level psychological warfare.

No. 2005043

>>2004956
…where did we even mention yuri? We are talking about a straight woman deluing herself here.

No. 2005051

>>2005043
Gendie artists are dime a dozen, just ignore them

No. 2005110

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retard question, but does this dude trace, or is it possible to get to this level of clothing rendering without tracing? it looks insanely good to me

No. 2005115

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>>2005110
It can be achieved without tracing, you might need lots of references but it is possible to render clothing this way. Here's an image with similar level of rendering i found on pinterest in a few seconds.

No. 2005116

>>2005115
thanks nonny, thats pretty encouraging i dont find fun in tracing

No. 2005146

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>>2004938
>>2004942
Lmao, days ago I came across this.

No. 2005147

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>>2005146
Apparently she thinks it looks like a drawing

No. 2005148

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No. 2005157

>>2005147
Damn she's blind if she really thinks she looks like that, kek. And she doesn't even look bad, she just doesn't look like a literal male like the "butch" on drawing looks.

No. 2005163

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>>2005147
kek the delusion. Some women can def look like that, pic rel. But ofcourse they are on roids.

No. 2005172

>>2005163
Roided women are beautiful I wish artists were open and the steroid usage of their female ocs

No. 2005174

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>>2005172
same i love roided women and i want to see more that arent drawn by autistic fetishist moids or faux lesbians

No. 2005176

>>2005174
Kek the way the women take up much more space than the little cartoon guys and how they're all making the exact same faces. There's something about autist art that tickles me

No. 2005177

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>>2005176
he's my favourite autist. I always check his da when i am down and it never fails to cheer me up.

No. 2005181

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>>2005177
also he's insanely polite for an autist. I was expecting to see him sperg over cartoons, and specially over the adaptation of she hulk, but he took it calmly and just enjoyed his fwaifu's show. He honestly took it miles better than the average functional scrote on twitter.

No. 2005220

nonnitas, are any of you getting any of the new iPads?

No. 2005242

>>2005220
OT but drawing on an iPad legit gave me carpal tunnel, I don't trust those fuckers anymore. Nonnas with sensitive hands beware.

No. 2005443

>>2005025
Oh yeah. It's like how "omegaverse" has invaded gay fanfic, it's just straight sex in disguise. I don't know why women like this >>2004938
don't just draw straight ships. It's not like you're forbidden from drawing straight couples as a lesbian/bisexual. They're looking for brownie points while calling their preference for straight pairings "butch"/femme

No. 2005629

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Nani?? Twitter looks so chaotic and unpredictable, I'm not sure what blows up and getting too much viewership is unnerving, but things like things make me hopeful I thought only high skilled art gets notes if it doesn't have commentaries.

>>2005177
Looks interesting! Love children drawings.

>>2005242
I'm so sorry to this happen to you, I have rather weak joints so that was helpful input, thanks.

No. 2005635

>>2005242
Drawing on a Wacom tablet a few years ago fucked up my hand so bad I had to quit doing digital art. Oddly traditional art doesn’t hurt me.

No. 2005714

>>2005635
Just curious was it a flat tablet or a screen tablet? I have a screen tablet but I have it on a mount.

No. 2005721

>>2005242
God same it gave me wrist problems I’ve not been able to get rid of.

No. 2005726

>>2005714
Screen tablets suck for your wrist I used one for a while and my wrist couldn't stop hurting no matter how many exercises I did until I started using pen tablets they're flat and keep your wrist stable using a wrist band can help alot to

No. 2005740

>>2005242
>>2005635
Why is that? I got a shit screenless tablet and I don't remember ever feeling pain on my wrist from drawing. I hold my pen like an idiot though, sometimes my fingers hurt because of that.

No. 2005743

>>2005110
do you guys use the word "tracing" for someone using a reference? isn't tracing when you draw over a pic instead of just studying it

No. 2005746

>>2005743
That isn't tracing but photobashing.tracing only counts if it's someone else's art you've traced over, using copyright free materials isn't tracing.

No. 2005760

>>2005746
Incorrect. Drawing/painting directly on top of an image, with little to no changes, copyright or not, is the act of tracing. It's useful if you're doing master studies and you need to really hone in on the proportions/design language that was used by the artist in question.
Referencing/studying is looking at image(s) to get an idea of what something looks like but you still translate that into your art by drawing it on your own and changing it to match what you need.
Photobashing is when you take a bunch of images and manually put them together (painting, transparent layers, masking, etc.) to make something else the way AI makes images.
To >>2005743, no it's not tracing if someone's using a reference. If they copy it 1:1 as a master study it's still not tracing unless they literally have a layer on top of the original art and are draw directly over it, line for line, stroke for stroke.

No. 2005795

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Any nonnies have recommendations on how to dedicate some time to art studies while doing a career? i just don't really find time in the day. Would waking up earlier or just using my free time for drawing be good? i don't want to burn out and stop drawing for months like i did last time, although i was just drawing whatever back then just too often and random things i never finished most of the time

No. 2005851

>>2005795
be regimented and value consistency over flashes of inspiration. eg, do a still life painting every night, 1-2 hours. You can do more, but no less. And try to develop consistency first before shuffling around to try different things, otherwise you'll never build the habit and get the ball rolling. Once you build the habit of studying and practicing everyday, it will feel second nature, and by nature of progression, you may even feel excited to finish work everyday and practice art. Or maybe you'll feel wierd if you haven't done art for the day. The key is to start small and managable so you don't burn out, but stay consistent and allow yourself to slowly explore, without haphazardly jumping all over the place, and never developing consistency. It might seem boring at the beginning, but once you get over the hump of building the habit, you'll develop the consistency and mindset required for disciplined self study, without feeling like it's suffering.

What kind of art do you like, and what kind of art would you like to do. What drives your desire to create art? Try to pinpoint these feelings to help build a healthy sustainable curriculum/schedule for yourself to take that thinking out of the equation so you can just focus on the art. And feel free to revisit these thoughts every few weeks to see if you want to shift the trajectory of your art in any direction. Hope that helps!

No. 2005909

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>>2005851
Thanks anon! personally i used to set goals before but never a reason to achieve them, and also i treated studying like a chore, after i always forgot why i wanted to get better so i just ended up quitting all the time with no progress

No. 2005918

>>2003157
Use Seventh Sanctum.

No. 2006007

>>2005629
japanese people are based and love rkgk

No. 2006012

>>2005795
nonny i am starting college and i am wondering the same. The good thing is that it made me realize of all the time i wasted doing nothing while neeting so now i am extre focused on art. What i do is make a small list with timing and check it as i go. Stuff like figure drawing or doing x amount of value studies.

No. 2006086

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>>2005629
that artist is still pretty good though, it's highly unlikely you'll blow up with bad art unless you draw coom. if you draw coom and can develop parasocial relationships, the bar is even lower

No. 2006092

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Imagine shitting on vivzie's work and then making this. I am eagerly waiting to see how he's going to fuck up and extremely bland and simple premise like tom and jerry in high school.

No. 2006095

>>2006092
I don't know how to explain, but despite the dramatic expressions, something about the way they move is really "flat" and soulless

No. 2006096

>>2006092
I dont remember Tom and Jerry being this faggy.

No. 2006208

>>2005181
This is kinda wholesome. My favorite type of autist.

No. 2006229

honestly i'm tired of being in denial, asian artists are just, naturally genetically better. only in china you'll find someone who is a major in fucking engineering and is also an artist able to produce anatomically correct, with a great sense of coloring, and inspiring compositions on regular basis, OH and don't forget that they're entirely self-taught and they probably can play the piano and the violin too! yes sorry that i'm seething cause i simply don't have the same genes and high intellect to be able to compete with these people who are literally on another level of humanity. whenever people post russian artists with amazing art, at least i understand it cause they have a very solid foundation, took art classes and it's basically their main thing, totally respect that but nope, these chinese artists can wake up one day and be like hey i want to learn how to draw, study a few tutorials and in 2 years they can already produce advanced art. a lot of these western artists who have other jobs usually have a more mediocre art style, like they're not professional and it shows meanwhile these random hobbyists from china have no problem being on the same level with industry giants. and don't forget, they're like 19 or 20 too lol(weird sperging)

No. 2006231

>>2006229
and the big thing about this, before someone says that chinese artists are criticized harsher or they simply work more cause it's been ingrained into them, that's not true. they're more intelligent so they pick up these art tutorials very quickly, they understand things faster and all that on their own, without needing an instructor. i need to work three times as hard to reach their level while they just breeze through it and it comes naturally

No. 2006233

>>2006229
Go back to ic.

No. 2006234

>>2006229
Does this apply to Chinese Americans?

No. 2006237

>>2006229
its not genes its the culture. We have a culture of slackers.

No. 2006243

>>2006237
they have higher IQ
>>2006234
yes

No. 2006244

7 out of 10 popular talented artists are asian, this means nothing to you?

No. 2006246

>>2006244
ngl this is a weird sperg, there are plenty of talented western artists but they just arent chronically posting online.

No. 2006255

>>2006229
I tend to agree but I think it's cultural, their visual culture is superior to ours, and I think their writing system also contributes to visual thinking more than our alphabet

No. 2006257

I hate this weird incel tier racebait cope. Everything falls apart when you know a bunch of good asian artist with shitty handwriting.

No. 2006263

>>2006229
kekkk fuck no,you just have a severe case of artistic yellow fever the only difference is what both the east and west promotes in art believe there are some gendie artists in china that are more insufferable than the western ones

No. 2006264

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I think the real question is, what happened to western artists? western artists used to be incredible, but you dont see this level anymore unless they are old school. Is it the lack of available career options compared to the pre digital era?

No. 2006265

>>2006229
I need to find the study that tackles this subject. IIRC they concluded that japanese children were more likely to copy drawings to learn, which leads to faster acquisition of skills. They had more detailed drawings in comparison to european children. Another finding was that children who copy a lot also are the most productive artists. This goes against a lot of western attitudes about art, like the woo woo about 'finding your inner voice' (no shit we all have one, we just want to learn how to express it) and 'if you copy then you're not really progressing'. Not that you can develop skills only by tracing or referencing, but it looks like it plays a huge part in learning how to draw. I also remember reading somewhere that asian children spend more time being taught drawing skills (singing and sports would be more important in the US). There's probably something about their understanding of effort as the best way to truly get good, as opposed to excuses around IQ and 'special talents'.

No. 2006266

>>2006229
i fucking hate you yellowfever autists so much, fucking go touch some grass

No. 2006267

you guys are acting like what i said is crazy when the statistics prove me right. asians generally have higher IQ, and if you have higher IQ you learn faster! that's how they can juggle studying a difficult major and also draw very fucking well in the spare time, they learn everything fast so they have more free time to focus on their hobby. they don't need intensive training for that, it comes naturally

No. 2006269

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>>2006267
japanese artists arent that good to be honest.

No. 2006274

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>>2006267
i got this super secret document that proves the nipponese have art schools!! how could this be!! noo they were supposed to be naturally gifted nooo!! retard

No. 2006275

>>2006267
How do you explain the massive amount of clumsy amateur artists on pixiv then? It's extremely similar to DeviantArt slop. Granted they often make very charming works, but they benefit from a dynamic, extremely popular visual culture (manga).

No. 2006277

>>2006269
i agree, that's why i mentioned only chinese artists. japanese artists are clearly a mixed bag, and these days chinese artists mog them in all categories, including anime. so much anime is done by outsourcing chinese animators. i think japanese artists might be cucked something cultural

No. 2006282

>>2006269
>>2006267
>>2006277

what the hell are you guys talking about? There are good artists and bad artists in every culture and every nationality. Academically strong people, and not so academically strong. Saying that japanese artists arent that good is no more right than saying that Japanese artists are the best. This is art, not a sport. If you want to argue about the impact of cultural exports, then sure, but there are good artists in all parts of the world. Stop getting hung up about what's better, and learn to explore and appreciate art from different cultures, different individuals.

No. 2006283

>>2006277
It's nice that the CCP is recruiting autistic legbeards as part of their propaganda campaign, we love to see some DEI

No. 2006285

>>2006264
Probably that + more often than not having to rely on social media/internet for advertisement (regardless the artist' age or medium) which punishes you if you aren't active enough. Having to chum a piece every few days instead of being able to work on a single one for weeks does change your style to acomodate to that rhymth.

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>>2006283
>nooo the nipponese and westoids suck ass follow more Chinese artists!!
>even their own teachers recommend western artists to learn from
>90% of tutos is filters or tracing over models
china numba one!!

No. 2006288

>>2006277
chinese artists are worse, their shit is so soulless.

No. 2006290

>>2006282
name one japanese artist that doesnt draw in the animu style and that's incredible

No. 2006292

>>2006264
There are still tons and tons of great western artists. If anything, now it's way more of them than there was before. It's just you might not find them in all this overabundance of art we consooom every day. Sometimes they are just not that popular since they don't know how to advertise their art in this day and age, but they do exist.

No. 2006295

>>2006288
A bit OT but i gotta share, don't know if i shaed this yet on here, but when i was Uni we went to an art show where artists from China presented their work. It was all fancy in a brand new modern gallery in a big city and there was one performance artist who's art was: Taking us all, about 50 people, down into the bathrooms and then clipping and shaving his/hers pubes in front of the mirror. Couldn't tell the gender it looked like something in between… and that was it, and he/she expected an applaus like every artist got and got nothing because everybody was confused what they just whintnessed.
That's all that appears in my mind now when i hear "chinese artists"

No. 2006296

>>2006295
The world of gallery art/exhibition is so fucking sick and pretentious no matter where you go, huh.

No. 2006335

Why are the best artists almost always degenerate?

No. 2006340

>>2006290
Not sure in animu refers to style, subject matter, ppl that work outside of the anime industry, or what, but take your pick.

Kento iida
rakoshirako
chavoom
hyogonosuke
kazuhisa uragami
Yoichi Nishikawa
DADA_610
amano kotobuki
hiro_gokinjyo

No. 2006344

>>2006335
why is it your opinion, that all the degenerate art you consume, is the best art you've ever seen? That's your taste lol

No. 2006351

>>2006344
anon even osamu tezuka was a degenerate

No. 2006358

>>2006351
good example. after he died his daughter found degen furry art in his locked drawer. But that shoudn't be a suprise based on his body of work. Butanyway, I doubt many artists here are greatly inspired by his work

No. 2006362

>>2006358
he literally inspired the entirity of manga

No. 2006373

>>2006362
you think the manga artists here care for his contribution? Even read a single one of his works? No doubt the mans influence is great. Still don't think many here are being inspired

No. 2006375

>>2006373
why do you think i care about your opinion specifically? i was talking in general.

No. 2006381

>>2006267
They have a country and culture that values the arts, it's pretty simple. If you lived in a third world shithole like me where not only we have a culture of slackers but people are literally taught not to give a damn about the arts and the only place where you'll be valued is overseas you'd understand, kek. Not even the nips, koreans, chinese etc here draw that well. You have to be entirely self taught and be smart enough to earn a career good enough to practice or to earn in USD.

No. 2006386

>>2006375
i think you care since you took the time to reply. And i was talking about here, not in general.

No. 2006387

>>2006386
you have a serious lack of reading comprehension

No. 2006388

>>2006387
funny reply, when you can't attack the argument, you attack the person

No. 2006393

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Many autsimos are sperging here today did ic ban some users again?

No. 2006415

>>2006264
Unironically, CIA. Search "modern art CIA psyop". It's all infuriating and relates to cultural degeneracy.

No. 2006417

>>2006415
but how does that affect non amerifat artists? >>2006264 was an argie

No. 2006435

Is anybody in high art? My sister curates for the MET so we have to deal with a lot of NYC egos. I feel as though everybody here is a fundie and not classically trained, it's so rare running into artists who went to school for it.
Literally anybody can get into this scene, the only barrier to entry is how many lemon drops you can stomach in one setting. I miss the days when it was just an exclusive club for the elite who were classically trained instead of aimee the billionaires daughters new hobby.

No. 2006445

>>2006435
>NYC
>fine arts
God it must take alot for your sister not to become a serial killer I could never deal with new York artists and not become suicidal hope she gets paid enough

No. 2006453

>>2006264
There are a lot of skilled artists, probably even more than back then because of the sheer amount of easily accessible ressources, it's just that the industry demand moved on from those oldschool high fantasy paintings to what other anons have dubbed artstation or league slop

No. 2006462

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I hate coloring so much, picrel is what I mean when I tell people that bad colors can ruin anything. Such beautiful, crisp linework drowned out by muddied colors. But if you're good at them they can save even the most shit tier lines or anatomy mistakes because the eye will just gloss over it. It truly is the most important skill in art

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>>2006462
Fuck i hate how some many western comics are colored this way, it looks so bad. But also i disagree with your point about colors saving shitty art. Like picrel, his use of color is so good, but damn it's ugly as hell that even amazing coloring can't save it

No. 2006495

>>2006462
This art is shit in so many ways. Bad composition, no weight or dynamism. Moids really get praised for anything, huh.

No. 2006527

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>>2006468
Kek his art was posted in the bad art thread once and some anons tried arguing that it's fine despite the fucked up faces and obvious degeneracy going on there. Someone with skills would see that it's shit, but normies eat it up and the amount of positive engagement he gets is evidence of that. His uncolored drawings don't get nearly as much attention

No. 2006543

>>2006527
Isn't this the same genshit artist who's also a pedophile?

No. 2006631

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>>2006543
I think you can tell from the style alone that there's lolisho in those folders despite the faces looking 60+. Everything before december 2020 has been deleted on all platforms, including one Klee pantyshot I remember seeing that the wayback machine didn't archive fully

No. 2006679

>>2006435
I am schooled and it was a nightmare. Art High school was the best, skill was what mattered and we did competitions and got jobs for companies. Then I went to 2 universities and they were full of egoist and perverted profesors who didnt even go to their own lessons most of the time. Art was about how many pages you can write not about what you can do. If you wrote a 20 page essay about how your vagina shaped sock on a stick refers to 10 different artists from the 20th century they let you have shows.. or if you fucked the professor. From what i heard of my high school classmates, other universities were the same, especilly the academy in my country. Latest news from that place was a fat lady professor getting naked in front of kids because ART.
I would never want to get back to the academic and "proffesional on a state level" space. Its not about art really, its a creepy social climbing edgelord game.

No. 2006880

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the BIRDS. 35 years old and can’t figure out shadows. defending her mans against rape allegations in one breath and calling him the greatest man she’s ever met in the next. i love mess.

No. 2006892

>>2006462
this is literally me. My lineart is beautiful but then i paint it and completly fuck up everything

No. 2006896

>>2006527
>>2006468
i love the colors who's the artist?

No. 2006973

>>2006229
>>2006267
Praying this is a moid because I can't bear the thought of a woman being this retarded

No. 2006978

Found out my favorite artist is both a male and a lolicon.
Fantastic! I am so fucking pissed. I've put a lot of time into studying some of the techniques he uses, and now I feel disgusted with myself.

No. 2006982

>>2006978
who is it?

No. 2006984

>>2006880
>defending her mans against rape allegations
Excuse me what?

No. 2006990

>>2006982
I know if I say his name, y'all are gonna look him up and eat me alive for my being in denial for years over something some of you can spot in a second. I just wanted to shit this out on the internet.

No. 2006993

>>2006978
let me guess, alkemanubis?

No. 2006997

>>2006993
>shirtless little girl drawing on the front page of his profile
wtf

No. 2007026

>>2005635
The same happened to me and it was a screenless tablet the cheapest one, for some reason, I was fooled into thinking that Wacom is less risky when it comes to quality, but it turns out it's not important if you had a screen tablet by Huion you would know what I mean. I think for me traditional doesn't hurt because of the resistance the paper has. It's easier than a glass/slippery screen where I have to grip the pen harder and the wider space also helps, I suggest you try felt nips or paper-like screen protectors and a bigger screen (16" or 20") and you may get back into it.

No. 2007049

>>2006990
C'mon spill the beans nonnie

No. 2007051

>>2006462
What ruined it is not even color, it's the dull-ass spray brush muddy shading .it would look way better with cel shading and muted color choices.

No. 2007082

>>2006993
Sounds like it. I saw one of his images and went to check out more and left immediately. His rendering is good but there’s something about it and then I found out he’s a lolicon.
It like when Procreate was promoting artists years ago and one of them looked like a diaper fur. I looked at their IG and confirmed they were a muscle/diaper fur. Procreate should vet their promotional artists better. It makes me sick they saw no problem with sharing that.

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No. 2007098

>>2006978
>extremely talented artist = degenerate

when are you nonnas gonna learn smh

No. 2007099

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