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No. 1958157

This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse.

Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping
> Ao3 Censorship and TOS
> Sapphic Underrepresentation in Fandom
> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads
> Whitewashing vs Blackwashing
> ‘[Insert Sexuality]-Coded’ Characters
> Sapphic vs Fujo Misogyny Accusations

don't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.
previous: >>1944397

No. 1958160

>the OP screenshot
Holy shit imagine being this bitter and vindictive, I don't think I would be able to live.

No. 1958171

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>>1958160
its even funnier because its coming from a not like other tifs with the most clockable style ever and that has ''no bl'' in bio despite drawing yaoi. I find it funny that she draws her self insert with her husbando but calls it 'yuri'.

No. 1958177

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cp in ot

No. 1958180

>>1958171
theres just something about shipping your enbysona with the most heterosexual character in ososan

No. 1958182

>>1958171
she's obviously retarded. just smile and wave at the poor thing

No. 1958185

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>>1958171
I think this is code for “zoophile”

No. 1958199

>>1958185
zoophiles use the squiggly Z

No. 1958200

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>>1958171
>>1958157
Blmatsus need to start overrunning the osomatsu fandom again to keep these retarded faggot yumeshitters out. You can say the incest sucks but there is something about shipping yourself with these characters (ranfren characters too) to begin with that says alot about you as a person.

No. 1958201

Is the trannification of fandom also an unintended consequence of higher mainstream acceptance of homosexuality? It seems a lot of these people just want to be different for the sake of being different and "neurotypical" "vanilla" "cis" gays are just not "counterculture" enough anymore so fandom has to be peppered with trannies and other degenerate shit (such as furries) for the sake of being "against the norm".

No. 1958205

>>1958201
someone planted the tranny seed in the fandom and it spread like wildfire. its just this generations version of being emo/scene, doing shallow self harming, and putting bisexual on their profile pages.
The trend will probably die down in 10 years or so when trannies begin committing mass suicide.

No. 1958217

>>1958205
But did also it spread like wildfire because regular gay ships got "too mainstream"? Like you compared it with emo/scene, the need to be different and fandom being seen as "counterculture".

No. 1958228

>>1958201
imo it has more to do with women being bullied out of fandoms. Either by moids for being ''fake fans'', or by trannies for daring to be straight women with straight interests like cute boys, shipping, and yaoi. A bunch of TIFs started appearing right at the same time where fujos were being criticized by trannies for ''fetishizing gay men'' and ''being misogynists that center around men and dont care about yuri''. There is a reason why most trannies in fandoms are tifs and they/them women. When men are troons they are obvious AGP yuritroons, you don't see normal men in fandom go the them/they or he/they pronouns in bio way. Every moid into fandom i follow who trooned out was never a they/them previously, they just became AGP transbians for the coom.

No. 1958231


No. 1958235

>>1958217
yeah probably. the tranny stuff started becoming popular in fandom during the hipster boom too so i can see it as both trying to go against the grain of fandom culture in general to not appear mainstream + the usual developmental stage most teens go through when figuring out their identities.

No. 1958243

>>1958228
I think this also has to do with the conflation of yaoi with real life gay men. From the "if you do not like yaoi you're homophobic!!" to "ackshually YOU are the homophobe fetishizer", at some point I remember NLOF fujos who liked yaoi but "in a respectful gay ally way not like THOSE crazy fangirls". Sometimes fans on both pro and anti yaoi sides identified as "queer" or "asexual" and even they got torn apart for "speaking over gay men" so they started trooning out for the "real gay" cred. Before trooning got so popular they were more likely to pretend to be actual biological males so they could say their opinion on yaoi "as a Real Gay Man". You have to admit though that fandom in itself as a construction tends to attract NLOG types.

No. 1958244

>>1958200
you are correct and you should say it.

No. 1958246

>>1958243
nerdy girls arent nlogs.

No. 1958247

>>1958201
Most of the trannies I see in FF are male characters being re-written as TIFs. I think it reflects the real spread of the social contagion more than anything. The TIF character is still whichever male character the writer would have self-inserted as anyway, but now he has a vagina instead of a penis. Gay FF has always been so blatantly heterosexual that it doesn't even make much of a difference.

No. 1958248

need to find a way to mute emojis on twitter. seems like muting the watermelon, palestine, and trans flag emojis will benefit me greatly.

No. 1958255

>>1958200
Im not a fujo or yume but there is something inherently narcissistic about shipping yourself with characters or adding self inserts in order to be able to enjoy something. that definitely also goes for moids who are unable to enjoy media that doesnt have a default moid they can self insert into.

No. 1958256

>>1958255
most serious yumes ive met online have always been mentally ill in some way

No. 1958259

>>1958256
of course now we are shitting on yumes

No. 1958260

>>1958255
The two are not comparable because there is far more media for men to self insert on, this is basically the default anyway, and women are judged much harder for self-inserting overall.

No. 1958263

>>1958260
The entire romance genre of books is made for women to self insert into

No. 1958264

>>1958263
And women are often made fun of for being into that too, while male audience surrogates are a given in most fiction.

No. 1958266

>>1958255
these yumes I keep encountering are always antis too. The source materials these spiritual-faggots are consuming are always strange, have problematic elements or straight up not to be taken seriously but then you look at the fanbase and its filled with these people who looks like they don't even enjoy the source material. Why are these retards even here exactly?

No. 1958269

>>1958259
Rules for thee not for me. I don't see how shipping yourself with a bunch of muppets is any worse (or better) than shipping the muppets. Women can't enjoy or do anything without gaining some form of ire.

No. 1958270

If you can't enjoy fiction without self-inserting I'm just assuming you're low empathy tbqh

No. 1958274

>>1958266
They're antis specifically because they're intimidated by all forms of shipping threatening their self-insert fantasies, it's rampant in my retarded gacha fandom where half of them don't even play the game but self insert into one of the cute boys really hard and only ship him with their husbando and claim all other ships with him as problematic pedoincestabuse causing the blatant cognitive dissonance. It gets ridiculously transparent especially when all of the fics they write and drawings they draw headcanon their personal vessel as a FTM or a cuntboy.

No. 1958275

>>1958200
Imagine thinking you are superior for wanting to watch two muppets fuck over some chick who wants to fuck the muppet kek

No. 1958276

>>1958259
Yumes are uncool when they headcanon their husbando so bad that he's a really shitty retarded oc.

No. 1958277

>>1957179
Black characters will get hated on whether their original characters or not. I'll never forget how comic nerds lost their shit over Miles when he was first released. Or how Gamers are now crying forced diversity anytime a black person is so much as a side character in a videogame even in games that previously featured black people like GTA. Now they're saying the OC of South of Midnight is forced diversity because a game set in Louisiana has a black woman as the protagonist. You're damn if you do and damned if you don't.

And no I don't think most anime/asians do black characters when they're specifically unambiguously made to be black. Maybe the ambigious brown ones they do, but the track record for black characters is questionable at times.

No. 1958278

>>1958274
>gacha fandom
there's your problem kek

No. 1958279

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I can't believe how they fucked up the live-action adaptation of Avatar.

No. 1958280

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>>1958279
and this was the scene from the show.

No. 1958286

>>1958279
live action ozai is so hot

No. 1958287

>>1958279
I thought LA Avatar was hilarious and enjoyed laughing at it very much.

No. 1958289

>>1958275
Not exactly superior you dense fuck. I think the whole entire thing is autistic as fuck and these retards are morally posturing over a weird 8 year old kuso-gag anime and attacking people who dont exactly bother them.

No. 1958290

>>1958270
I remember reading some noid being conpletely incapable of understanding how people could enjoy a romance between two other people and not "it's cuz you want to fuck one of them."

No. 1958292

>>1958289
Exactly, the osomatsu fans are all autistic as fuck so what makes you think osofujos would be any less annoying than osoyumes? If anything on that fandom given most of the times are enby tifs shipping the muppets with their totally gay boi self insert, they are both fujos and yumes simultaneously.

No. 1958293

>>1958290
We had a woman posting something very similar awhile back, being completely unable to enjoy a romantic story that didn't involve herself. Terminal autism.

No. 1958294

>>1958277
Typical argument about black vs ambiguously brown character
>black people relate to ambiguously brown character, may jokingly or seriously consider them black
>nooo they're not black not every dark skinned person is black stop it
>ok can we have black characters then
>what do you mean this ambiguously brown character is not black enough for you?? not all black people have to look the same

No. 1958296

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>>1958292
blmatsus dont really go around harassing people for their shipping preferences but yumes will literally want you dead just for not giving a shit about any of this. They also act like huge faggots.

No. 1958297

>Which side of the OSOMATSU fandom is less annoying?
Both sides need to be shot, I wasn't even in the fandom and I got extreme mental trauma just from being on the same site with those freaks

No. 1958300

>>1958294
Yes, I agree that the black/ambigious brown debate is annoying. Mostly spurred by those who are fine with a potential favorite character of theirs being any other race, but black due to whatever internal bias or motives they may have. Just to clear up, I'm not saying ambiguous brown characters can't be black. Only that the writing and portrayal of characters when the creator goes out of their way to solidify that they are indeed "x" race can be hit or miss.

No. 1958309

>>1958294
>>1958300
but they aren't ambiguous , they are meant to be dark skinned Japanese people.

No. 1958315

>>1958309
Debatable depending on where the show takes place and where the character is from.

No. 1958323

>>1958274
I think we are in the same fandom so I will tell you- the fans you are talking about are all 14 years olds. block and move on. there's tons of normal fans out there, don't waste your time getting angry at the retarded children who don't even play the game

No. 1958325

>>1958274
its a shame but at this point its best to just avoid fandoms that have too many retarded zoomers in it or just follow the JP/KR/TWN side of that gacha fandom because for some reason gacha in the west attracts narcissistic weirdos

No. 1958327

>>1958297
Anyone into that show is a red flag for me after witnessing the insanity that was the blmatsu fandom back in the day, I don't care if they're a yume or fujo. That show brings all the worst degenerates out of the woodwork kek

No. 1958329

I've seen the fujo vs yume wars in my own fandom and I think if you really like stirring drama with other fans for not liking what you like, you are too terminally retarded to be online. I miss "don't like don't read" so fucking much. or even "don't respond to the baiter who comes to your account to shit on your ship"

No. 1958331

>>1958327
it truly was, it was just a mediocre comedy show but the fandom around it was just so bizarre.

No. 1958332

>>1958329
shit was a lot better when the internet was filtered to just families/people that could afford home computers and internet instead of just any retard being able to access it on their phone.

No. 1958334

>>1958329
I don't get it either, I just stay in my own lane and block/mute liberally to curate my online experience. I swear some people purposefully go out of their way to look at content that will piss them off kek

No. 1958337

>>1958297
why would anyone be interested in shipping anything from that show, everyone was an ugly degenerate.

No. 1958341

>>1958334
I will admit i'm guilty of going out of my way to see shit i know will get me upset. still working on getting rid of that habit now. I think a lot more people are guilty of purposefully finding shit to get mad at than they'd like to admit.

No. 1958344

>>1958341
>I think a lot more people are guilty of purposefully finding shit to get mad at than they'd like to admit.
Tbf finding shit to get mad at is one of the core principles of this site kek, we're all guilty parties in this

No. 1958349

>>1958329
are yumes even big enough to have ship wars with fujos? before i came on lolcow i never even knew what a yume is kek

No. 1958352

>>1958349
i think most of them either dont care and allow fujos in their spaces or tell fujos to not interact with them at all because other ships threaten their delusions

No. 1958353

>>1958349
The term "yumejoshi" is a more recent export to the west from Japan, but self-shippers have always been a thing. But by virtue of being self-shippers, the hardcore ones usually hate other self-shippers too along with normal shippers since it's such a solitary hobby

No. 1958357

>>1958353
i know that self-shippers were always a thing but i thought it was more of "joke" thing and not serious.

No. 1958360

>>1958353
Yumejoshi is a straight up autist term sorry. Only on this site do i see people reffwrinf to women liking hetero content as that term.
Most women outside of this shithole just say they like romance, shoujo or josei.
Also unironically i see more fujos here using that term.

No. 1958365

>>1958329
One of the fandoms I'm into is usually too moidy for yumes but there's one and the first thing she mentions is how the mc would totally be pro trans, gay, and Palestine and also would love her over the actual female love interests.

No. 1958367

>>1958323
They are, I don't care about them and those kids can fuck off. I'm just making an observation because they're loud as fuck on social media and then you check their profile and they list their age in the 14-18 range and it all makes sense. However the ones writing NSFW fiction and drawing NSFW art do worry me, either they're children getting into porn or adults who still have those delusions and neither option is good.

>>1958325
They see it getting popular on Tiktok and jump on despite never having the means to play it, then make their own headcanons and read cherrypicked wiki lore regurgitated by their favourite influencers with no personal experience with the game themselves. I'm guessing it's the aftershock of everything with an anime aesthetic being classified as children's stuff despite them being fucking gambling machines.

No. 1958368

>>1958160
You know whats so funny if it was content made for men (which is 99% of porn) then they wouldnt have cared. Some of these woke people dont realize how misogynist they even are when they behave like this. Its like they want women only to consume erotica made by men or for them to be asexual.

No. 1958370

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>>1958315
The character with the Japanese name is meant to be Japanese. When characters are meant to be non-Japanese/east Asian you can tell what they look like. like picrel, you can clearly tell who is meant to be Japanese, who is meant to be a black and who is meant to be a white.

No. 1958373

>>1958368
these people are just this generations misogynistic pickme's that'll shit on other women and excuse anything a man does as long as he's doing right think, which for this era its calling himself a girl.

No. 1958376

>>1958349
I think it depends on what type of media you're into, I play a gacha game and most people either ship the characters or have one as a husbando/platonic favorite. but I've never seen the weapons grade autist self shippers who rage if you like the same character tbh nobody takes it that seriously. maybe I just got lucky

No. 1958377

>>1958325
Problems about Japan aside, I wonder if having Kanji and katakana seperate makes things easier to divide between what kids consume and what adults do.

No. 1958379

>>1958370
>When characters are meant to be non-Japanese/east Asian you can tell what they look like
Both you and me know that's bullshit and it depends on the anime.

No. 1958381

>>1958277
The "black people in anime" debate tires me so much because it's always approached from an Anglocentric point of view acting as if there are only white and black people and everyone with an ambiguously brown skin has to be either African or a tan East Asian. Japan actually does have a lot of dark skinned migrants but they're from places like South Asia and Central Asia, for example Anthy from Utena is quite obviously Indian with even a bindi mark on her forehead.

No. 1958399

>>1958381
My opinion isn't important at all, but I never really cared about westerners' opinions about black people in anime. Japan is a very Japanese-focused society. They don't really do foreigners, like how western societies do. In Western shows, you'll see characters of any kind of race in almost any show. Japan is going to have their characters be asian, specifically Japanese or Japanese-based 90% of the time. It's just the way it is, and I don't think it should be expected of the Japanese to always make non-Japanese characters either. That's what makes it a treat (IMO) when an anime features a nicely-designed, and well-written character that's black. The writers/artists did not have to, but they chose to and did it well.

No. 1958403

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this old art from the mid 10s still lives in my head rent free

No. 1958405

>>1958248
the website and app have built-in muting functions, you can mute emoji just like any other phrase (it only affects the body of a tweet though, not in a display name or something)

No. 1958406

>>1958381
Anthy is obviously Indian and thus doesn't fall into the ambigious category in the first place. But if someone views Nessa as either black, middle eastern or Indian, then neither of those headcanons are wrong until the creator themselves say otherwise, but only do I personally ever seen pushback when said character is called black.

No. 1958407

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>>1958370
>white people in anime

No. 1958408

>>1958407
Accurate

No. 1958411

>>1958407
Dude could survive a year on a deserted island just off that nose alone.

No. 1958417

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>>1958379
It depends on the art-style, if it's a generic style then most people are aracial and if there is a character who has to be foreigner, their features are exaggerated.

No. 1958419

>>1958417
>aracial
They're Japanese.

No. 1958420

>>1958417
i mean at this point we all know that japanese do not think of foreign people so yeah

No. 1958421

>>1958420
do not think the best*

No. 1958422

>>1958399
If you think about it, the converse can be said about racist caricature characters. They literally did not have to make those characters but they went out of their way to do so, so a racist caricature of a black character should be considered even more offensive than not having black characters at all.

No. 1958423

>>1958422
That's a good point

No. 1958424

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No. 1958425

>>1958376
>I've never seen the weapons grade autist self shippers
It's because they are usually unpopular since no one gives a fuck about their delusions unless they also have god-tier art kek. Every time I find one it's an account with less than 300 followers, even the tumblr one that anons sometimes bring up must have less than 500. I usually find them on accident by searching up "hate [character name]" or "hate [ship name]" when I just want to see why something is disliked

No. 1958427

>>1958424
>"Adam Dudley"
>mouthpiece that just says "fuck"
KEK

No. 1958429

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>>1958315
>>1958370
>>1958407
>>1958417
Depends on the mangaka, honestly

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>>1958424
>>1958427
This character is also from the same series, his name is Edward Wu, he's part of an ancient Chinese assassin family that mixed with Russians and is now just a giant 6'10 blond haired super muscular white guy.

No. 1958433

>>1958429
>The story about vikings features vikings
No one is talking about this. They're talking about when characters named Takashi Miyamoto that were born and live in Chiba prefecture get headcanoned as black because they're tan.

No. 1958437

>>1958407
>>1958424
>>1958431
Lmao anon do you have more of this stuff?

No. 1958439

>>1958274
>>1958266
As a yume, I think most of the sane ones keep to themselves. The only ones really posting out and loud about it are the 14 year olds. And they'll always be annoying because they're teens. Most of my yume friends are like me and we talk about our self-inserts or whatever just among each other and not on twitter.

No. 1958440

>>1958437
NTA but I'm pretty sure these are characters from kengan ashura

No. 1958442

Woketards bitching about white or black representation need to get slapped in reality considering even if they stopped reading it would not make a huge dent in the manga/anime business.
The actual people internationally who do make up the majority of goreign teaders are latino,south asian or south east asian so if anyone deserves representation its them.

No. 1958444

>>1958442
Spelling mistake foreign nor goreign

No. 1958445

>>1958444
Fuck spelling mistake again.
*not and not nor(learn how to delete)

No. 1958446

>>1958444
>>1958445
Learn how to delete and repost

No. 1958449

>>1958360
As someone that follows a lot of Japanese yume artists, it's usually more something in between. Basically it's making an OC with traits you like, not actually just straight up yourself. I don't think I've ever seen regular yumes straight up draw themselves.

No. 1958454

>>1958442
I was wondering when we'd get the usual, "what about this other race! Checkmate wokies." virtue signaling. Chill out.

No. 1958460

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>>1958431
Oh wait I was wrong the character is actually British. The writer has another character that has the exact same origin, i.e they were descendants of an Asian person who moved to the UK mixed with the locals and then came to Japan after becoming a giant muscular white guy but still having a Japanese name.

No. 1958463

>>1958454
Nta but it's not Japan's job to represent ethnicities that don't even live in it. Unless the story takes place outside of Japan.

No. 1958470

>>1958463
They're not, but the conversation wasn't ever about Japanese people needing to have more diversity in their media only commenting on the portyal of the ethnicities and races already in it.

No. 1958471

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>>1958460
Oh wait, there's a another character who is the son of a white American mother and a Filipino father, and guess what? He's yet another giant muscular white guy. The author really seems to love this trope for some reason.

No. 1958473

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>>1958471
Tbf it's about buff dudes fighting. Small thin guys are gonna be in the minority.
Pic related is an African dude in the story.

No. 1958475

>>1958470
I remember when this video went viral and even though it's clearly racist but for some reason zoomers thought it was funny. I'm not offended I found it funny.
It's surreal how wild the reaction would have been if Europeans/White americans made it despite India being an unpleasant place to live in if you are Chinese and China being an unpleasant place to live in if you're Indian.

Those 2 shots unironically contributed to stereotypes that Westoids lose their shit over daily.

Again if it's not clear I don't care and I don't find this offensive at all

No. 1958477

>>1958473
I get that he wants to big steroid fighting apes fighting each other, I'm talking about the fact that three times he's written three characters "become white", that's kinda weird.

No. 1958480

>>1958475
Americans are completely unable to handle the level of racism the people they're supposedly "protecting" from racism are capable of

No. 1958490

>>1958480
East asians ate extremely racist to south asians and south east asians despite them being the reason why east asian media got so popular in the first place.
Anime would be nothing internationally without Latin america and south east asia and kpop would be nothing without south asia and south east asia.

No. 1958495

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>>1958490
>Anime would be nothing internationally without Latin america
Goddamn, you're 100% correct. I have never met anyone that loved Dragon Ball more than a latino.

No. 1958496

>>1958495
thats kinda cute ngl

No. 1958500

>>1958495
Goku is the greatest Mexican to have ever lived

No. 1958507

>>1958475
People tend to hold different countries to different standards when it comes to these things. Besides, Indian and Chinese people have their own message boards to complain about shit on, chances are we probably just don't get to see it.

No. 1958509

>>1958201
>counterculture
lol, there's nothing more conformist than being a Person of Gender. the culture is loving them unconditionally and they know this, yet pretend to be eternal underdogs because their beliefs are centered around propping up the oppressed no matter what, that anything you do is justified if you're less powerful, etc.

>>1958228
>fetishizing gay men
it was FTMs who said this to purity spiral, though they're more unapologetic now and call their yaoi "yuri" because postmodernism or something like that
>being misogynists that center around men and dont care about yuri
MTFs still say this because moids can't be arsed to draw or write

No. 1958512

>>1958368
Inb4 pickme but calling this misogyny is a stretch.

No. 1958525

>>1958512
Anon there were literally people saying shit like "porn is okay but booktok women are bad because they normalize assault" like thats a very obvious double standard and misogyny.

No. 1958528

>>1958525
No. Remember she abused those dancers. She deserves all the hate she can get.

No. 1958531

>>1958425
They are kind of common in the fandom I frequent (warcraft). Very anoying and they have terrible taste.
Lots of Canon/OC ships too which, I personally, don't like. They aren't avoidable either because they seem to make up a lot of tumblr users. The rest being those who write mlm between two straight characters or Sylvanas/Jaina

No. 1958535

>>1958531
All I know is that there's a female writer who is despised by men and troons(and maybe some pick-me's) for writing straight romances with older women and younger male characters.

No. 1958537

>>1958535
Stupid question, but may I get the name of this writer? I wanna read her work.

No. 1958546

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>>1958537
nta but I'm pretty sure they're referring to Christie Golden.

No. 1958547

>>1958546
Look at that crybaby faggot being mad that some woman fantasizes and writes about younger men. Bet the fag doesn't have shit to say when male writers type about children doing orgies in sewers.

No. 1958550

>>1958279
The characters are so bland, boring and corny af. Specially Katara and Azula. Katara is a broken npc without any trail of humanity and so perfect at everything. Azula manages to, at the same time, being so caricaturesque in her evilness (the scene when she was introduced for example) AND that new flavour of villain that has daddy issues or some family trauma shit like that. I hate how they ruined two female characters so well written. What's next? Toph as a gendie nonbinary trans? Also why they made Zuko so ugly jfc.
>>1958280
the animation was so subtle yet so effective whereas the live action has to tell you everything in the most illiterate friendly way possible.

No. 1958551

>>1958171
>Choromatsu is her favorite
Absolute shit taste holy fuck, a TIFs favorite Matsu reveals a lot about them

No. 1958553

>>1958550
>Toph as a gendie nonbinary trans?
Granted, the tumblrinas are working on that right now. Because even though we're in the most progressive time of society, a female character cannot be strong and unlike her gender's stereotype or else she shouldn't be a woman/girl at all (according to gendie SJW logic).

No. 1958561

>>1958537
>>1958547
I wasn't, tho I don't like Golden, mostly because when she wrote the Arthas book she just cntr-a cntr-v'd the dialogue from wc3 with no embellishment


>>1958546
Idk they're all over. I recall one chick self shipped with the jailor, that one was weird

No. 1958563

>>1958228
It's funny because I find gay men disgusting and vile irl, but I am a big fujo. Unlike men, women can separate fiction from reality.

No. 1958569

>>1958246
NTA, you misunderstood what she said. She's saying that the fujos who pretend not to be fujos abs insult others are NLOGs, which is true. They positioned themselves as being good allies who just cared about representation and derided other fujos as being evil perverts for the crime of liking sexy anime men. It's very NLOGish behavior.

It's kind of sad how women in fandom often immediately cave to that kind of coercion and pretend to hate what they like and bully those who still openly enjoy it. All for being perceived by strangers as virtuous.

No. 1958572

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>>1958563
that's a factor I can agree with, I notice that real gay men often look quite ugly (at most they need have grooming), but most importantly they are very tasteless in everything they do. It doesn't matter if they're trying something stereotypically feminine or masculine, they're just super tacky about it.

No. 1958574

>>1958553
Ofc they are going to pander. This is why we can't have nice things

No. 1958576

>>1958563
I'm fine with gay men IRL so long as they aren't misogynistic around me. Agree that I have zero interest in hitting on them, and I rarely feel attracted to IRL moids even when they're straight. The characters in BL are almost like mythical creatures; they're attractive, androgynous, sometimes muscular males with the emotional intelligence of a woman. No such thing exists in real life, no matter how hard troons cope.

No. 1958578

>>1958553
Why though? Wasn't everyone assmad over the live action changing stuff? Nonbinary Toph will never happen but the inconsistency wokies have with adaption changes annoys the fuck out of me, the characters are already fine as is in the cartoon. The lesbian Toph headcanons are even stranger when she has an obvious puppy crush on Sokka. I blame the retarded masterdoc in enabling people to call boy crazy female characters comphetbians; there's literally nothing appealing about a character being a lesbian if 50% of her character revolves around fawning over a moid.

No. 1958579

>>1958578
i have a feeling that comphet doc is the reason "bisexual lesbians" are a thing now kek

No. 1958581

>>1958572
Most gay men don't look like your pic, though. They're usually just your average dumpy moid but with styled hair.

No. 1958583

>>1958309
Exactly. Americans really act like darked skinned asians or darked skinned Japanese dont exist… it's so irritating. Some animes like Durara do have specific black (Nigerian) characters, but unless they say they are black, they aren't. tan skin =/= black character in anime/manga

No. 1958589

>>1958576
Well, this is the reason why BL even exists. Women in japan wanted a genre just for them since men had everything catered to them already. They wanted to make the perfect hot bishie characters and wrote them as a man would act according to women. Yaoi/BL in general is a woman's creation for other women to enjoy. troons and tifs (they wanna abandon womanhood, they can go somewhere else) are not welcomed. People who cant read BL without trying to make it about irl 'red flags' and politics are insufferable. The BL fandom was incredibly different 15 years ago, even 20. The west has ruined BL for the masses.

No. 1958596

>>1958589
If most fujos could understand this, I really don't think there would be any sort in-fighting in this thread or between normal shippers and fujos in general.

No. 1958605

>>1958596
It's like 3 retards who insist on yaoi being feminist praxis, probably underage

No. 1958606

>>1958589
don't forget the pregnancy.

No. 1958614

>>1958576
I'd stay away from comparing bl characters to women, you just know some retard will take it the wrong way and say it's misogynistic or some other bs.

No. 1958623

>>1958614
nta but the fact they don't act like of biologically function like real humans is the point.

No. 1958624

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picrel are the types of people that are driving modern fandom.

No. 1958625

>>1958606
>this niche fetish definitely represents the entire bl industry
Might as well say women are into wolf-fucking since girl x wolf stories exist

No. 1958636

>>1958624
is it just me or is there about 2 or 3 actual women in that pic? fat black one, middle short girl in the back, and possibly the light green hair on the bottom left?

No. 1958644

>>1958625
Kek, isn't that something moids actually say?

No. 1958647

>>1958624
Trannies done quick is such a disappointing even. I used to watch GDQ back in 2014 when it was just a cozy couch. Now it's literally speedrunning which men can troon out the fastest. I hate that instead of making it about charity, like it used to be, they are going about tranny politics, despite one of the major rules being 'no politics in gaming.' The fucking irony.

No. 1958649

>>1958644
Yea they say women like to get fucked by dogs. I think this is projection but it does seem to pop up every once in a while

No. 1958651

>>1958624
why do trannies always look so disgusting

No. 1958665

>>1958624
>everyone's masked
of course.

No. 1958673

Regarding this whole race debate, just a couple of hours ago I watched a movie with my family. It's a movie that gets re-aired on pretty much every important Islamic day and It's called The Message, a 1976 epic film produced by a Syrian American director. The movie had to approved by various scholars of the major Islamic religious sects(all versions of this film state this in their opening title), It's also filled to the brim with A-class British and American actors. I only realized this as a teenager, cause I grew up with the dubbed version (also filled with A-star local talent)
but the thing is, the overwhelming majority of Muslims did not care that it was white people playing these characters (unless there was anyone portraying Muhammad), they liked it because it was a great movie and all the actors were perfect for their roles, both in terms of acting quality and physical characteristics. For instance they had this American western actor playing Khalid-ibn-Walid, who was an general and it was absolutely perfect casting and Anthony Quinn was perfect as Hamza, even as an ex-Muslim I still say it's still a great movie.(derailing)

No. 1958680

>>1958651
Because they're men. Even worse, they are porn sick men.

No. 1958690

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>>1958370
Depends, usually the ‘blonde and blue eyed with a big nose’ foreigner is used for comedy. When they’re characters who are meant to be taken seriously they’re pretty much indistinguishable from their Japanese counterparts.

No. 1958700

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>she sold out in less than a day
damn moids fucking LOVE fumos

No. 1958711

>>1958690
Is that Lelouch and Suzaku? These are gorgeous figures. I miss Code Geass so much.

No. 1958712

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>>1958157
Imagine using Palestine to be hollier-than-thou. At this rate people are so uninterested in the Gaza situation and not for being heartless, but how some people have taken this like OP.

No. 1958715

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>>1958495
Latam anon here: Latinos have done a Genkidama in his honor. Even hearing the Genkidama song makes me cry.

No. 1958719

>>1958711
Sure is! Also agreed, I love that their earrings are connected so it’s extra gay.

No. 1958720

>>1958715
This is wild and also wholesome.

No. 1958721

>>1958719
Code Gayass doing it right once again.

No. 1958725

>>1958171
she makes the ranfren characters so ugly. why

No. 1958770

>>1958171
her oc gave me an aneurysm, is it a fusion of both clyde and craig from south park?

No. 1958790

>>1958700
I actually think fumos are cute, albeit a little expensive, but I never want to buy one because I don’t want to have anything in common with those “le Rei Fumo ex-dee” moids

No. 1958795

>>1958360
NTA but hetero content, shoujo, and joshi isn't the same as yume, that's why people make the distinction. The point of yume is self-inserting while the others usually aren't.

No. 1958800

>>1958700
idg the fumo craze. they look like any other plush you can get at an anime con.

No. 1958852

>>1958690
where is this from? looks adorable

No. 1958857

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>>1958852
Code Geass.

No. 1958862

>>1958857
God their art was something else

No. 1958936

I think AI being implemented in western media is going to be the death of western fandoms.

No. 1958942

>>1958614
Oh yeah, absolutely. That's why I said "mythical creature," because it more accurately describes what they are; they're a kind of idealized, fantasy human that doesn't actually exist but possess some aesthetic qualities of men because straight women are the target audience.

I resent the retards who make bad faith comparisons to women, because they aren't interested in having actual conversations about how gendered socialization affects sexual fantasies. It can teach us a lot about how women view sex and relationships in general.

No. 1958947

>>1958936
It's going to be the death of many things. When AI can do literally every job on Earth (including fixing itself and monitoring itself) all wealth will become concentrated in the hands of those who own hyper-consolidated companies. No one else will have jobs or money, so they won't be able to buy anything or afford children. The human population will plummet. Companies go out of business because they have nothing to sell, but the CEOs will continue to live lavish lives off of their hoarded wealth. The non-rich either die off or revolt. Society collapses. When horses became obsolete, sure, they continued to exist, but their population is a tint fraction of what it used to be. We keep them around for entertainment and companionship. Is that what the human poor will be like in a world where robots perform all the jobs? Most of us die and the ones that don't are pets to the wealthy, or even pets to the robots? I shudder to think. Hopefully I'll be dead before all of this.

No. 1958949

>>1958947
i have seen lots of scrotes rejoice at hollywood writes losing their jobs and being replaced by AI, because they think they are owning the leftists that ruined their star wars and stuff. They are so dumb they dont realize things are going to become much, much worse and corporate without human input.

No. 1958952

>>1958949
most of them have given up on their favorite franchises and just want to see it all crash and burn

No. 1958955

>>1958952
moids are so retarded and destructive, instead of hoping things improve and get better they want everything to go to shit for their amusement like special ed kids laughing while setting ants on fire.

No. 1958956

>>1958947
I don't believe AI will ever reach that level, at least not at our current life time. The current trendy "AI" is just machine learning that has been already a thing for so long. ChatGPT and it's other 100 clones are just chatbots rebranded as "AI", which also been a thing for ages. And ChatGPT doesn't even come up with anything original, it just rehashes google results. The kind of AI that we're being promised is super AI which hasn't been discovered or reached afaik. All we have currently is the basic level of AI, and maybe general AI but I'm not 100% sure. I could be wrong about this though, but of what I've seen of AI, especially in the tech field since I'm a software engineering major, it sucks balls and isn't good enough yet. Only actual retards rely on it and think it works. And I've seen lots of skepticism towards it and hostility, so I doubt it would get implemented for now. I admit I enjoy the image generators machine learning models (bing Dall-e and the such), but the images made by them are easy to recognize for a reason, it isn't good enough yet. It still fucks up basic things and doesn't always understands the prompts. I doubt a tech this stupid could overtake jobs for now. I acknowledge that there's probably private AI that might be more advanced, but if so, we're not really seeing how is it being used or even know if it is.

No. 1958959

>>1958956
>I acknowledge that there's probably private AI that might be more advanced, but if so, we're not really seeing how is it being used or even know if it is.
NTA but yeah the AI they are shilling to hollywood is private and probably ten times better.

No. 1958961

>>1958947
AI is going to take over every intellectual office-type job and artistic creative job, that's for sure. But those jobs have only been mainstream for a very small amount of time in human history. In 1910 90 of the population was employed in agriculture. With automation of agriculture, the majority of the educated population moved to office jobs. Now with the automation of intellectual work they will just move again, to the next field, a.k.a. trade jobs and serviceslop. AI isn't going to fix your sink or cook you a burger any time soon. A form of this is already happening right now with higher educated people unable to find qualified jobs and having to work in food or retail or as delivery drivers (another field AI isn't doing any time soon).

We better start all learning how to flip burgers.

No. 1958966

>>1958956
At least for what is there now, it's can only be as good as the prompter can make it, which is 99% of the time incredibly shitty and very cheap.
Someone with zero experience in another language is not able to make an expert translation using AI simply because they have no idea what an expert translation would look like. Same goes with everything else. Until AI can interpret human retard it will remain cheap looking and shitty.

No. 1958985

>>1958947
I'm positivitypilled and I think in art it's gonna push for new things. Maybe a return to traditional mediums, as making machines to paint singular brush strokes is too much of an expense compared to image processing. The human spirit cannot be destroyed

No. 1958987

>>1958985
art is gay anyway

No. 1959004

>>1958947
>>1958961
As someone who actually works with AI in tech doomer takes like this are always said by those who either don't know how technology works or those who genuinely want their workers to be replaced by robots so that they can cut down on labor losses OR edgy nihilistic blackpiller NEETs celebrating that soon everyone else will be obsolete just like them. AI is a tool, not a professional. Automation has cost people jobs in the past, but only for tasks that are menial, often dangerous and thus better off being automated. You know what has actually cost people their jobs? Offshoring. Factories didn't disappear because of automation, they disappeared because greedy companies wanted cheaper labor and transferred them over to China as they could offer workforce made of practically slaves with no concern for human rights. Of course the dreamy situation for cryptoCEOs detached from reality would be that everything would be done by robots and they wouldn't have to pay a dime but those same people are doing kooky shit like building luxury underground doomsday bunkers in case the nuclear war starts tomorrow and buying an overpriced social media site for $44 billion during a mantrum episode.

No. 1959008

>>1958255
>>1958270
Why do people assume yumes can't enjoy whatever series their husbandos come from without self inserting? You sound no different from people who claim shippers can't enjoy media without shipping things. Fantasizing about your husbando with your self-insert is just an add-on thing and no one is rewriting canon plotlines to focus on them like a decade ago.

No. 1959018

>>1959004
>Automation has cost people jobs in the past, but only for tasks that are menial, often dangerous and thus better off being automated
I've subscribed to this belief before and I can see it when it comes to assembly line factory work (which is just not designed for the human body) but can you honestly say that creative and intellectual jobs are menial and better off being automated? Is creating a story, writing an essay, drawing a picture and animating a video menial and dangerous tasks?

The problem is, they can be if the people doing them are doing it under slave-like overworking and crunch conditions, which they usually are. That was the entire point of assembly line factory work in the west before labour laws were developed (and is still the case in the countries where these same non-automated factories are operating as of right now). The problem isn't the task itself that is menial and dangerous, but the lack of fair labour practices and protections. It's been well known that even working 8 hours a day for 5 days a week is unhealthy and inefficient, even with the most desk-sitting, boring and repetitive jobs that do deserve to be automated. If labour laws aren't globally improved (and that includes the west) then AI is just going to push people into overworking and injuring themselves in other industries, be they menial jobs or not.

No. 1959030

>>1959018
What I mean by "menial" is stuff like proofreading, formatting, cleaning up linework etc. Things that only act as speedbumps on the road to creating things and are easy to automate. Not the entire creative process. It's dangerous when you're for example writing code for a critical system and it goes down upon release because you made a human error - an automated AI-powered test would've caught it for you. Or maybe you got the wrong doze of medicine in health care. There are numerous things that can and should be automated to make the work better, less tedious and more organized for humans, allowing them to focus on concepts and decision making.

>If labour laws aren't globally improved (and that includes the west) then AI is just going to push people into overworking and injuring themselves in other industries, be they menial jobs or not.

That's the real issue here, AI isn't going to replace workers anywhere but workers are going to be expected to perform with even more unrealistic results now that "AI does the job for them". The endless exponential growth that capitalism and the corporatocracy demands isn't sustainable, we could have 4-day workweeks with the same pay that we get now and it would not cause noticeable loss to the stakeholders yet we can't because no matter how many jobs are automated it still won't benefit the workers in any way.

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>>1959030
>cleaning up linework
AI actually sucks at masking clean, consistent lineart. It will never be able to make something like pic rel because it really doesn't know what it's doing.

No. 1959036

>>1959032
If we're going to start splitting hairs then yeah why should machines create jars when we could hire back glassblowers, why should copy machines exist when we could just copy things by hand and so forth. Of course it's not going to be as beautiful and unique as human touch, but for an industry position it's good enough because most places just want a graphic that'll do the job and isn't supposed to be hung up at an art gallery.

No. 1959039

>>1959036
>but for an industry position it's good enough because most places just want a graphic that'll do the job and isn't supposed to be hung up at an art gallery.
remember when disney, despite being a corporation, used to push for high quality art and animation? now we are supposed to sit and accept that creativity is going to get replaced by machine and made worse AND we are supposed to still pay for it. Cuck mentality.

No. 1959043

>>1958949
some of them are such manchildren that they genuinely can't see beyond "thats what you get for ruining my (insert fave franchise here)! go woke go broke!1"

No. 1959045

>>1959039
Low quality, cheap, manufactured cash grab crap existed way before Chatgpt, like all of the cartoons in the 80s were just 20-minute toy advertisements produced at some sweat shop in Korea. That's what AI is going to replace in the creative field, not genuine human effort driven to create something meaningful.

No. 1959049

>>1958279
I'm so tired of people defending LA Zuko he sounds whiny af (oh it's part of the character) even though his dad wants to publicly humiliate him

No. 1959051

>>1959030
>There are numerous things that can and should be automated to make the work better, less tedious and more organized for humans, allowing them to focus on concepts and decision making.
There definitely are, but that's not what generative AI is striving to do nor doing. Generative AI and the way it's being used by corporations is replacing skilled creative - a.k.a. generative work. There already are AI tools that help artists clean up lines, ink faster, choosing colours digitally without having to mix pigment, etc. etc., for instance. Those tools are already being used and they are still being developed and improved upon, which is a great thing. But generative AI isn't the one doing that. Generative AI isn't being used to help artists improve the so-called tedious tasks of the creative process, it's being used to replace the creative process of the artist. So while I agree AI isn't going to put everyone out of a job, it's definitely going to put some people out of jobs who were not already doing tedious, boring and menial jobs before. And that's something we will just have to accept because at the end of the day, making money is what matters, be it for companies employing artists than for artists themselves, and nobody is going back to farming land back bent with a hoe in hand when everyone else has automated their system and can do it 1000x faster and cheaper than you.

No. 1959053

>>1958277
>I'll never forget how comic nerds lost their shit over Miles when he was first released.
Valid
Bendis is a hack and he introduced his new OC in the worst possible way. American comic writers keep intentionally pissing off their fanbase and get confused when they actually get angry
In the past this was never an issue (outside of people being sad that the status quo changed. Writers used to try and not be as inflammatory as possible.

No. 1959061

>>1959045
>all of the cartoons in the 80s were just 20-minute toy advertisements produced at some sweat shop in Korea.
you have never watched an 80s cartoon. The artists working for those shows actually wanted to create something meaningful, but were stopped by both greedy corporations and angry moralfagging parents. A lot of 80s cartoons actually had continuity and world building, and it's why a lot of them get reboots nowadays, because artists worked on a strong fundation that can withstand the test of time. You are advocating for the worst aspects of the animation industry. Corporations having all the control over the creative process, and exploitative environments.

No. 1959065

>>1958690
It's pretty obvious when someone is meant to be non-Japanese and when they're Japanese. Looking for specific signs (Ohh their nose is big!!) doesn't help because sometimes ugly mugs will be Japanese (they're evil or just background characters).
The best indicator is their name and use some social context I guess, maybe that's why it's challenging for weebs to tell.

No. 1959070

>>1959061
Come on, many of showrunners admitted that they basically gave no fucks and only did it for the paycheck coming up with ideas at the last minute because they knew it was just made to sell toys, usually the toyline was already created and being rolled out before the cartoon came out. This was because marketing was deregulated in the 80s during the Reagan era which lead to advertising to children becoming legal. It doesn't mean they didn't have good writing every now and then but GI Joe, Transformers and He-man were completely meant to sell action figures, My Little Pony was Hasbro's marketing ploy, TMNT was literally gentrified from the original edgy comics to sell toys to kids, Care Bears needs no mention and so forth. I grew up with these shows as an oldfag and I cherish them but a spade's a spade.

>it's why a lot of them get reboots nowadays, because artists worked on a strong fundation that can withstand the test of time.

Nope. They're trying to milk the nostalgic fondness a lot of us millenials have for these shows because it's way cheaper to hire some dumbass fall guy to create a Flash animation reboot for a license you already have a hold of and cause some nostalgia buzz than risk a gamble and pay for an entirely new one that might fail in the first six months.

No. 1959082

>>1959070
That doesn't negate the fact that the people working for those shows actually did care. Everyone who works in animation does it for a paycheck, that doesn't mean the artists were soulless drones that weren't allowed to have fun and have creative ideas. There are tons of blogs from artists and writers from those shows that share the storyboards and scripts and you can tell there was a lot of love and care put into it, even if it was made to sell toys. Gundam was also made ''to sell toys'' and it's still an excellent anime. MLP:FIM was sucessful as a reboot because it actually had talented artists and writers working on it that cared about the original source and wanted to make something meaningful that both kids and parents can enjoy. You seem to think that as long as something is made for a proffit it doesn't have effort or love put into it, and that therefore it should be replaced by AI.

No. 1959092

>>1958959
it really isn't, they're using chatgpt just like everyone else.

No. 1959093

>>1959070
>Come on, many of showrunners admitted that they basically gave no fucks and only did it for the paycheck coming up with ideas at the last minute because they knew it was just made to sell toys, usually the toyline was already created and being rolled out before the cartoon came out.
Source, my nonnie? Please, do share a single instance of these many showrunners admitting that they gave no fucks and only did it for the paycheck. Anything's fine, an old blog post, an article, twitter post from said artist, etc. Do share.

No. 1959108

>>1959093
For crying out loud, you can google "Were 80's cartoons made for selling toys" and you'll get numerous articles, documentaries and discussions about it. I'm not going to link a 50 youtube links about the topic but you can get started with these.
https://bettermarketing.pub/the-great-marketing-deregulation-2125a0efe094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1LO5887HVg
https://www.awn.com/animationworld/dr-toon-when-reagan-met-optimus-prime
https://scroll.in/reel/891821/i-have-the-power-a-documentary-takes-us-back-to-the-world-of-he-man-and-sketelor

Also recommending watching this docuseries where they interview creators of many 80's nostalgic toy lines and the subsequent cartoons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Toys_That_Made_Us

No. 1959114

>>1959108
Working on a cartoon made for selling toys =* showrunners gaving no fucks and only doing it for the paycheck coming up with ideas at the last minute because they knew it was just made to sell toys. Like the other nona said working on a cartoon made for selling toys does not negate the fact that the people working on those shows actually did care and for many if not all of them, it even shows. None of these sources say at any point that the showrunners and animators gave no fucks about what they were making and only did it for the paycheck because the cartoon was just for selling toys anyway. Either back up what you're claiming properly with actual showrunner and animator accounts or go do your reading comprehension reps.

No. 1959133

>>1959114
Ngl I figured having toy companies that gave no fucks outside selling lots of toys would allow quite a lot of freedom for creators, if anything.

No. 1959141

>>1959133
nta but 80s cartoons were fucking wild. She-ra had a book-burning episode and in one of the episodes of DnD they actually contemplate killing the villian. The last episode was almost banned for being too violent. There is a reason why thundercats and he man/she ra still have strong fandoms, i don't know why anon is pretending every 80s shows is carebears. They often had world-building and continuity. Also, most of the time they were outsourced to Japan, not Korea, so a lot look really good for the time. The animated adaptation of star trek also had scripts written by well-known science fiction authors. I honestly feel like the ren and stimpy clones of the late 90s are way, way worse than even the worst, most corporate 80s cartoon. Gross out humor is the worst thing that ever happened to western animation.

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>>1959039
For real. Look at how Wish looks compared to their last drawn animation, Princess and the Frog. It's awful how disney animators have fallen. Their hand drawn art is still miles above whatever garbage they are releasing now

https://livlily.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-princess-and-frog-2009-pencil-test_8.html

No. 1959146

>>1959141
I was a kid in the 90s, so I grew up on a lot of my parent's shows, like He-man, Thundercats, Thundar the barbarion, Centurians, etc. They were made to sell toys, but also had such fantastic episodes that kept me hooked as a kid, watching to know what happened next. It was such a great time to be a kid.

No. 1959150

>>1959146
no one is negating they were made to sell toys. All cartoons are made for sell toys, sadly. A bunch of shows like symbonic titan and generator rex were cancelled for having poor toy sales.

No. 1959158

>>1958952
Well, who's fault is it for these companies becoming lazy and relying on technology for the convenience to reduce costs etc? It's not the people laughing at it. This is the equivalent of berating those who don't tip because the employer chooses not to pay their employees a full amount, but getting mad at the employers is way too risque and taboo, peer pressure is more successful than correctly identifying the root cause for this entire mess.

No. 1959169

>>1959141
while not every toy-based show was great to work on and might not have had much care put into it, I think a lot of people miss the fact that when you're making something to sell toys like they were, you basically have to play with them yourself like the kids you're trying to sell them to, just while you're writing/boarding the episodes instead of necessarily with the toys themselves. So it can be a lot of fun, even if it's to make something many would deem as a 'soulless cash-grab'

>>1959150
nta and yeah, unfortunately the success of shows designed around toy lines led to an assumption that all cartoons were for selling toys and should be judged by that merit, even if they didn't launch with toys in mind or integrated into the cartoon's dna. It's a similar line of wonky exec logic like how some networks would air reruns of serialised shows as if they were episodic and then be surprised when those reruns didn't perform well until they played them in order and not themed blocks or whatever, because the assumption was that all cartoons were episodic or kids couldn't tell/didn't care/ whatever.

No. 1959174

>>1959158
nta but that is a shit comparison. berating someone for not adhering to restaurant etiquette but still choosing to support the business that continues to propagate those bad practices. knowingly not paying the tip to the waitstaff is actually what's shitty. supporting the restaurant that is causing the problem but not support the staff is unbelievably shitty. in this case, you are also wrong anyway because the studio is the ones pushing for AI assist, not the fucking workers. wanting big companies to fail and have to change their ways is supporting the artists and workers because it's telling the company you don't support AI. everything you said in your post is completely backwards and is treating companies like people.

No. 1959177

>>1959169
i think the fact they were made to sell toys made the designs much more appealing than calarts blobs. I was a kid during the 10s and i used to find adventure time and steven universe so painfully unappealing, i only got encouraged to draw when i started watching TMNT and thundercats on youtube. I really hate how action shows are dead in the west, because i hate shounen shit.

No. 1959183

I just found out there is a pretty active land before time fandom. It's honestly very cute. Which autistic fandoms do you find endearing?

No. 1959184

>>1959177
Yeah, probably an unpopular opinion but the fight against advertising toys to kids using cartoons really had some terrible effects on those cartoons.

No. 1959191

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>>1959184
i kinda agree. You don't see cool as shit designs like pic rel anymore. I know adventure time has cool lore and whatever but the designs were always so bland and lazy to me and i hate how it spawned the lazy noodle artstyle. I think if i never found old cartoons on youtuber i would have never picked up a pencil, modern cartoons are just bland looking.

No. 1959200

>>1959183
super mario. it was my first online fandom when i was 11 years old. some of the deviantart artists i used to follow back then are still making mario art now while living their best and most drama free lives. Its kind of easy to avoid zoomers that bring their lgbt headcanons or le epic ironic waluigi posting in given mario is such an autistic thing to be into that you have old school fandom millenials still making material to this day. its nice and kinda makes me wish i was still as enthusiastic for it as i was as a kid.

No. 1959202

>>1959200
also princess daisy will always be my favorite character in gaming and its nice to not see her get the usual treatment most slightly GNC women get in media. (the tan/brown daisy fanarts dont bother me too much given she did have actual dark skin at one point in canon and tbh i always preferred that look)

No. 1959334

>>1959183
The metalocalypse fandom is small but surprisingly really fun.

No. 1959339

>>1959334
It was honestly so cool they referenced yaoi in one of the latest episodes

No. 1959359

>>1959191
Boomer gen x take but you're not absolutely wrong, but tbh I think it's not adventure time's fault because it became really bad after steven universe aired. For me the thing is, adventure time's creator genuinely had that art style as his own so it's ok work it but everyone after just copied a formula so it was easier to animate and easier for children to digest. At least gumball and regular show also didn't meant to copy Pendleton Ward, they also kind of did their own thing despite the art looking noodley. But anything made after steven universe is so blatant about it

No. 1959369

>>1959183
I used to be friends with a girl who was in fujo fandoms for old british sitcoms like Red Dwarf and The Young Ones.

No. 1959373

>>1959334
i lament my first exposure to TIFs was from a murderface cosplayer

No. 1959375

>>1959200
I love super mario fanartists. I can't see all of the characters as anything but wholesome and cute, and I'm glad I had the chance to find that thriving community too. I was poor growing up and daydreamed of owning all the mario 3ds games constantly so I super duper love all the still passionate fans keeping my childhood alive

No. 1959472

>>1959373
Thats awesome lol. I hope you told them they belong in a garbage can

No. 1959706

>>1959339
There are more episodes??

No. 1959722

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>>1959183

hobbit slash people. they’re so removed from the rest of LOTR slash fandom.

No infighting no shipwars just writing flowery regency novels bout cute little midgets pining and lamenting over class differences and polite society. they’re so dramatic and for what? these little guys live in holes. I love it.

No. 1959877

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What are some examples of fandoms that have emerged for series that objectively weren't successful? The new TMNT series "Rise of the TMNT" stands out as the most obvious case. Objectively speaking it was the least successful among all the turtle series, It changed toi much for old fans and kids found it too weird, but it managed to attract a strong wokie fanbase mainly because the creators continued to cater to them but the ratings still remained low and the series ended abruptly after two seasons. Despite this it gained a peculiar audience of fujos and wokies who make it seem like it was a lot more bankable then it was. This just goes to show that online discussions and even fandoms in general don't always translate to real life success.

No. 1959932

>>1959359
remember reading something about how the style was adopted because it made hiring cheaper labor easier. There was less training/onboarding needed to move someone inexperienced onto a professional production when the designs are simple. And the simple designs made them easy for little kids to draw.

No. 1959958

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>>1959183
ppl who ship historical figures, the more obsscure the better. usually the historical reasearch is pretty sound too. also hyperspecific memes that are absolutely incomprehensible to outsiders

No. 1959975

>>1959958
>Napalex
I'm assuming this ship involves Napoleon and someone else…who?

No. 1959985

>>1959975
czar alexander I of russia
actually one of the least obscure napoleon pairings
>>1959359
i think you're in to something. adventure time's visual style was more distinctive. but it's like steven universe suddenly caused every other animator to start drawing ugly blobs with dorky faces

No. 1960024

>>1959039
>>1959036
Somewhat related but I'm reminded of how much I love Japanese graphic design for this reason. There's so many nicely done graphic designs in all sorts of things, that just feel human. I would be very sad if that kind of work would disappear because of AI. It's truly an 'art is all around is' kind of thing to me.

No. 1960076

>>1959877
>This just goes to show that online discussions and even fandoms in general don't always translate to real life success.
reminds me of the owl house fans during pandemic, the teen to young adult fandom was so active and hard to ignore but the show still flopped hard because disney channel's actual audience, kids, weren't interested in it and these fans watched the episodes through mega links or discord streams kek.

>>1959191
i don't care if adventure time is the citizen kane of western animation, it just looks so ugly and i wouldn't be able to stand a whole show of that horrible art style. sad we lost bold, thick lineart and bright colors because of the rise of the uwu soft tumblrina style.

No. 1960159

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Not a Conan fan (only read a tetsu sabi doujin of it because I love tetsu sabi) but why are people freaking out about the big homo ship being cousins now? Fucking your cousin isn't even that weird in real life (like it's eyebrow raise worthy but that's about it) why would it be that freak out worthy for this? People are acting like they confirmed that they're father and son or something.

No. 1960165

>>1960159
I mean with the state of fandom these days if your ship is even a little bit associated with incest then it immediately gets pushed into the problematic bin. No ones gonna bother thinking about the intricacies of it or if it's "meaningfully" incest, as long as it can be categorized that way it's automatically bad.

No. 1960173

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>>1960165
Fandom needs to bring back incest 2024

No. 1960181

>>1959369
>old sitcom fandom
is that a thing? i draw fuj fanart for happy days and sometimes i wonder if i am the only autist out there who does that. It feels like there is fandom for everything.

No. 1960183

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>>1960159
Seriously though as someone who ships brother x brother this is really really hilarious to me.
I presume the characters didn't even know they were cousins so the overreactions are even more ridiculous.

No. 1960184

>>1959706
i meant last, sorry nonny for giving you hope with my shitty ESL english.

No. 1960215

>>1960159
How could somebody be bothered by cousin fucking when Conan is a shota for 80% of the series?
Not that incestfags like shota, but if you're into shota then you probably shouldn't be giving much of a fuck about incest.

No. 1960226

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>>1960215
I also was thinking about this kek, maybe it's one of those things they rationalize with fanart mostly drawing both of them as adults?

No. 1960227

>>1960183
>>1960159
>>1960215
>>1960173
listen, I get this is normalized in your spaces but most regular people think this is disgusting and degenerate, and please don't respond by posting shota incest cause you think it will "own me" or whatever.(infighting)

No. 1960232

mf really deleted just to quote an obvious joke post

No. 1960244

>>1960227
I'm just saying, if you're in it for the age gap penny you might as well stick with it for the cousin fucking pound.

No. 1960255

>>1960227
>listen, I get this is normalized in your spaces
Nayrt but then integrate? You're coming into the fandom thread to moralfag like an ignorant normie? Next you're going to say being attracted to 2D men is perverse and deviant. Yes, it is normalized in fandom spaces and so these reactions are ridiculous and kek-worthy. Don't bring your normie moralfaggotry in here.

No. 1960268

>>1960076
Nta but based adventure time hater. The story is shit, too and the characters are annoying.

No. 1960272

>>1960159
Can't believe this is the way I discover Kaito and Shinichi are related.

No. 1960274

>>1960227
This isn't the normie side of the internet. If these topics are too disturbing for you, you should exit for your own wellbeing.

No. 1960342

>>1960159
holy fuck why are fujos so pathetic. this ship makes like zero sense because both of them have the hots for ran.(infighting)

No. 1960344

>>1960342
ships dont have to make sense, it's just fun

No. 1960345

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>>1960244
I like the series because I enjoy a slice of life detective series, but anyone who thinks of the characters in a sexual context is mentally unwell

No. 1960346

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>>1960345
you mean the original creator who draws things like pic rel?

No. 1960348

>>1960344
nah thats gay atleast ship shit that somewhat makes sense otherwise fuck off(infighting)

No. 1960349

>>1960346
yeah it's a Japanese creator so this is expected, but we have to be better.

No. 1960350

>>1960159
>Fucking your cousin isn't even that weird in real life
it is? are you from alabama or something?, fucking your cousins is indirect inbreeding and if you've forgotten they're fucking family members. also werent most old shounen fujo ships either cousins or rivals why the fuck would you be so about a old ass ship not being canon??

No. 1960351

>>1960348
who made you ceo of fandom, people are allowed to ship whatever they like

No. 1960352

>>1960349
>women have to do better while men are allowed to lust after women and sexualize every single female character they draw
no

No. 1960353

>>1960351
yeah cool but i will still call them gay for shipping shit that makes no sense and theres nothing you can do about it(infighting)

No. 1960357

>>1960346
nta but kek seriously? this? if youre viewing that art sexually maybe youre the problem

No. 1960358

>>1960349
>teehee it's expected when men do this so i won't complain or try to stop them, but i will chide women!
Nah, fuck off

No. 1960359

>>1960350
i heard cousin incest is legal in Japan

No. 1960360

>>1960357
it's very obviously fan service.

No. 1960364

>>1960352
>>1960358
How about this, someone you know wants to tattoo deku in a maid dress on their thigh and you tell them that it's stupid, but they respond with the same logic, saying, "but men do it, why can't I? that's what's going on here

No. 1960367

>>1960364
>comparing someone getting a retarded tattoo thats permanent to sexualizing fictional characters
my god, and i thought the balloon popping analogy was retarded

No. 1960368

>>1960159
>til I learned that Shinichi and Kaito are related and that there's an english speaking Detective Conan fanbase

No. 1960369

>>1960350
>>1960359
It's legal in Japan and most US states, it's legal in a lot of places actually it's just way less common than it used to be but 'used to be' is surprisingly recent. I wouldn't do it but I can't honestly say its the strangest thing in the world and most people will have instances of cousin marriage going back even just a generation or two ago even if not directly connected to it themselves.

No. 1960397

>>1960364
Good thing drawings and fanfiction aren't tattoos and don't have to be linked to your real life personhood or affect how you're treated in daily life in any way (unless some obsessed autist wants to dox you and tell everyone you know, but all those people turn out to be the same or worse lmao)

No. 1960438

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>>1960369
It's legal in most parts of the world actually

No. 1960450

>>1960345
>>1960346
Who fucked with the transform tool on that girl's head?

No. 1960461

>>1960159
I can't get over the fact that they're fine with the fact that the ship is shota, but they draw the line at cousin incest. Not even illegal incest, but cousin incest which is legal in a lot of places. Imagine if this happened with Ciel x Sebastian fans.

No. 1960473

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>>1960244
It's not a real age gap, Conan is actually an adult and a villanous organization turned his body into one of a child.

That said, every time I saw yaoi art of him it was in his actual adult form, so it's safe to assume that most fujos into this pairing liked it with Shinichi proper and not his child alter-ego.
This is true also for fans of the canon het pairing with his girlfriend, Ran (picrel). (Sidenote I don't remember if she's his gf or just a "friend")

And for the record, Japan also isn't into incest as the memes love to say. They have a bunch of degens in their fandom like we do, but shipping siblings is seen as weird and shipping cousins is just slightly less icky.

No. 1960479

>>1960473
he wasnt an adult he was 17

No. 1960481

>>1960473
when i was a little kid i remember shipping shinichi with ran and conan with ai, funny times kek.

No. 1960482

>>1960479
I don't remember the details but that's ridiculous, with the way everyone acted I thought they were university students. I guess that's anime for you lol.

No. 1960485

>>1960473
I mean it's still kinda promoting shota/age gap. Especially in modern fandoms where any ship with a 2+ year age gap can automatically be considered problematic.

No. 1960486

>>1960482
lol yeah they are all 17, so anon's point still stands, especially since antishippers are always so anal about minor characters. To them a shota and a 17yo are the same thing.

No. 1960488

>>1960485
how so? shinichi and kaito are the same age.

No. 1960490

>>1960488
but they are 17 anon thats literally pedophilia(ignore the author drew fanservice art of the girls who are the same age, please)

No. 1960493

>>1960473
>And for the record, Japan also isn't into incest as the memes love to say. They have a bunch of degens in their fandom like we do, but shipping siblings is seen as weird and shipping cousins is just slightly less icky.
Tell that to Vampire Knight. Or popular shoujo manga where the ML is heroine's half-brother. Or the many otome games which contain an older brother (which turn out to not be related at the last second or only half, or don't). And tell that to their own mythology where the first man and woman were brother and sister. Even Christians don't say Adam and Eve were related.

No. 1960498

>>1960493
Anon has to be talking out of her ass. Sure, i get normal people thinking incest is yucky, but Japanese anime is littered with incest so i doubt otakus have a problem with it.

No. 1960512

>>1960359
It's legal in most countries iirc even if millions of people think it's disgusting.

No. 1960513

>>1960498
They especially do not give one flying fuck about cousinfucking, that doesn't even trip the incest fetishists alarms kek

No. 1960524

>>1960498
It depends on the fandom. Saint Seiya fans for example preferred shipping non-incest and some pairings were even frowned upon due to that, like Sagitter/Leo. Arina Tanemura also got mocked for writing BLmatsu.
Generally people dgaf in Japan but it's not like silence equals approval over there.

No. 1960529

>>1960493
>Tell that to Vampire Knight. Or popular shoujo manga where the ML is heroine's half-brother. Or the many otome games which contain an older brother (which turn out to not be related at the last second or only half, or don't).
Incest is usually played for drama and le epic forbidden romance, but even then most of the times it's like you said, it's half siblings, adopted siblings, et cetera. This is because this is still a taboo and normies think it's icky.
Just because their fandom is more lax on fetishes and taboo content it doesn't mean that people at large and non-otaku are okay with it. They just keep their opinions and gossip to themselves instead of making call out posts and acting like drawings things means you endorse them irl.

No. 1960546

>>1960342
Tbf, the creator 100% knows and feeds into the yumefujo stuff.
>that one movie when yumefujo favorite is asked who his lover is and they have him sensually grasp his driving wheel and say his true love is the country of Japan

No. 1960562

>>1960546
kek its always yumes and fujos who take the cheapest bait ever, pathetic really.

No. 1960572

>>1960159
first time I ever think a poster on this site is weirder then the people theyre posting. fucking your cousin is strange anon.

No. 1960576

>>1960572
that being said in fiction its whatever. I think people are disturbed because it seems like youre implying fucking your irl cousin is a-okay

No. 1960577

>>1960342
Delusion is their best friend

No. 1960590

>>1960562
well yeah, because everything is made for men. Scraps is all women are alowed to have, sadly.

No. 1960593

>>1960562
>>1960590
To be completely fair, didn't the guy also got his own spin off show and prequel?

No. 1960596

>>1960593
yes he has but i think even kaito kid has a love interest in the series?

No. 1960601

>>1960596
all male shonenshit characters have female love interests, do you really expect them to be canon fags?

No. 1960602

>>1960601
no? i never even said that. also some do not have love interests.

No. 1960604

>>1960602
i dont understand why you are bringing it up then

No. 1960606

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>>1960596
I was thinking of Bourbon lol. Detective Conan has too many fucking spin offs, even the mystery murderer got one.

No. 1960607

>>1960604
because yumes and fujos are not exactly fans of canon love interests

No. 1960609

>>1960607
literally no one likes shonen love interests they are always bland coombait, even moids dislike them

No. 1960623

>>1960590
Its so annoying how women lap up those scraps. Its because these suits KNOW we take crumbs and make a whole buffet out of it that they never give us more than an inch. Japanese female weebs are the biggest offenders of this because they will happily play shit like Blue Archive and make fanart of that new sensei self insert just because the anime gave him some generic bishie design

No. 1960629

>>1960623
why are you blaming women when its moids that act like babies every single time there is fanservice for women? like when they censored that slutty final fantasy guy

No. 1960631

>>1960609
really? i've seen lots of moids and sometimes even women like the couples from shounens

No. 1960632

>>1960631
>i've seen lots of moids
they like them because they are meant to be coombait for men. No moid likes sakura's personality, they just like her as a tsundere waifubait.

No. 1960639

>>1960623
jp women have enough bishie games, idk why they would even play blue archive and not something like touken ranbu

No. 1960666

>>1960629
>blaming women
Because they’re the ones buying all the merch filling the pockets of execs that specifically made a show men. Fat otaku scream at male midriffs and fanservice because they havent been desensitised to male fanservice the way we have towards female fanservice. Latching onto headcanon ships in a show made for moids and buying all their merch is retarded, just look at the pathetic Subaru/Reinhardt shippers.

No. 1960672

>>1960666
>just look at the pathetic Subaru/Reinhardt shippers.
Kek, you mean Re:Zero? The show with the silly amounts of male abuse fanservice? That makes perfect sense. Iirc the mc gets sexually assaulted and sodomized too, moids hated it.

No. 1960678

>>1960672
> the mc gets sexually assaulted and sodomized too
which season & episodes? by whom? i need this

saged

No. 1960680

>>1960562
We are desperate

No. 1960682

>>1960678
Iirc the sexual assault are more or less spread out, but the sodomy is in season 2. Its not graphic though. He gets eaten alive from the inside out by rabbits that crawl up his ass and down his throat.
You can see them meeting up in his belly in the anime.

No. 1960684

>>1960682
thanks nona!

No. 1960694

>>1960666
and what are women supposed to do? women get like one anime for them every 10 years

No. 1960703

>>1960672
>Iirc the mc gets sexually assaulted and sodomized too,
Gross.
>moids hated it.
That's kind of based, are there any caps of their meltdowns like with guy who said Looney Tunes Bluerays sales mogged Yuri On Ice?

No. 1960712

>>1960703
i dont think so. re:zero is also loved by moids mainly because emilia and rem are some of the most popular waifus ever

No. 1960715

>>1960672
Only 1 guy gets abused and its the self-insert, besides that its filled with waifus and loli fanservice. Good attempt at downplaying this moid show and pretending it had female appeal though.

No. 1960724

>>1960712
Rem and Emilia are a part of why they hate Subaru and the series so much kek.
>>1960715
All the male characters are angsty ryonabait, Reinhard is daddy issues: the character.

No. 1960726

>>1958157
slightly ot but a pair of my great grandparents were cousins and there was probably a lot more cousin marriage in my ancestry, and when I mentioned this in a fandom discord server I was banned for shipping incest when I wasn't even shipping incest.

No. 1960727

>>1960724
no besides the weird ass emilia x subaru vs rem x subaru wars moids love this series kek.

No. 1960740

>>1960727
Idk, whenever I see Re:Zero posted somewhere moidy, half chance the responses get pretty funny.
>if I was in his place I wouldn't be a loser but a cool Chad and also fuck all the best girls here's my plan

No. 1960750

>claim moids hate re:zero, for some reason
>just after re:zero got done collabing with fucking Nikke last month
Some of you are unreal kek

No. 1960782

>>1960750
Isn't Re0 one of the easiest gacha IPs to get?
Regardless, any series with male abuse like that will probably get female fans.
I'm more surprised another Nikke collab, Chainsawman, has so many too. Why do women like Chainsawman? Are there even that many male characters that don't get killed off?

No. 1960794

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>>1960782
Suitfags?

No. 1960802

>>1960750
They have to defend why they consume moidshit and why stupid jp fujos throw money at shows that will never truly pander to them.

No. 1960818

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>>1959877
>>1960076
Same with 2017 Ducktales, all three series received significant studio support in hopes of replicating the success of Gravity Falls and ATLA and all three had a rabid adult fan-base who showed insane rage and spite towards the studios for not providing more support, children for not watching these shows and even the creators for not pandering hard enough.

No. 1960821

>>1960802
Well, what series do you want stupid jp fujos to get into?
Recent popular stuff all seems too moidy, too old, too roidpig, has a loli, etc.

No. 1960826

>>1960821
blue lock?

No. 1960829

>>1960826
Every panel of the female character is about how massive her tits are.

No. 1960833

>>1960829
yeah but theres like only one female character and she barely appears

No. 1960837

>>1960818
i agree the extreme homosexuality of the recent cartoons is just 40 year old bronny bait, don't these "people" know that kids don't actually care if the character kisses a girl or a boy or if they go by them/them or was/were? like what the hell is wrong with them?

No. 1960838

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>>1960833
I guess. I wouldn't have figured that one though.

No. 1960951

>>1960572
>>1960576
But anon, it's LEGAL so it can't be weird. Did I mention that it's LEGAL? let me make 10 more posts about the legality. Do these anons realize that fucking animals and teenagers is also legal in a lot of places? Guess that means it's not strange anymore.

No. 1961003

>>1960837
I guess the attempt it is to get adults to watch since kids only care about video games.
Also possibly they're trying to get a female audience, I remember this focus group result that someone posted where the boys in almost every age group said 'no one watches cartoons anymore' while the girls actually tried to discuss the plotlines and characters.

No. 1961006

>>1960818
i will never forgive rise of the tmnt for making donnies autistic. How dare they turn my favourite turt into chris chan.

No. 1961035

>>1961006
Did they realize that making the smart character canonically autistic was going to send the wrong message to everyone?
>>1961003
The thing is kids in general don't watch cartoons anymore. I have nephews and nieces and maybe the last cartoon series they watched was Gumball now they mostly stick to YouTube stuff, It's especially clear with the 13+, I have a niece who watches hour-long video essays for entertainment and she's not the only one either, her entire class is apparently like this according to my aunt whose a teacher.

No. 1961036

>>1961035
Definitely tracks that they're trying to recapture bronies then, ironically I think the only show that's come close is that show with the dogs for preschoolers.

No. 1961040

>>1961036
Bluey?

No. 1961042

>>1961036
its not the same. Blueyfags actually hate furfags. I know because i got a video recommendation of a furfag crying because ''furries get discriminated in the bluey fandom'' kek.

No. 1961045

>>1961040
Yeah. Ironically it's one of those shows that actually ISN'T trying to get an adult fanbase, for moids at least I think it takes the fun out if you remove the 'LOL WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING THIS' aspect by actively pandering to them.
>>1961042
Bronies also claimed that they hated furries for a while and guess what? The vast majority were lying and were furries the whole time. Bluey really is the closest thing we've got to MLP 2.

No. 1961048

>>1961045
>Bronies also claimed that they hated furries for a while and guess what? The vast majority were lying and were furries the whole time. Bluey really is the closest thing we've got to MLP 2.
it really isnt, bluey is a family show centered around a family and its kids. Mlp was more akin to a cute girls do cute things. It doesnt have the same appeal.

No. 1961051

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>>1961048
>bluey is a family show centered around a family and its kids
Are you implying mlp wasn't a family show as well?
>Mlp was more akin to a cute girls do cute things
This is how the fandom treated it, but the actual show is pretty typical kids show stuff, just on a higher quality of animation and writing (at least in the early seasons).

No. 1961055

>>1961051
>Are you implying mlp wasn't a family show as well?
it didnt center around families it centered around the female characters who were grown adults. I used to be a pegasister and i genuinely dont see the appeal of bluey if you arent a parent. At least in mlp they had adventures and the lore and villians were cool, bluey is just boring wholesome garbage for parents.

No. 1961064

adult moid fans of bluey, mlp, or any other kids' show give off rancid vibes. I don't trust them

No. 1961070

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>>1961055
Oh I agree. I also don't get why moids are so obsessed with it, at least the ponies in mlp were cute anime donkeys while the characters in Bluey are weird square dog things, as I said though I think it comes down to the 'WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING THIS LOLOLOL' aspect from overly horny furries.
Obviously it's never going to reach the level of bronies, but it's the closest I've seen another series come. Voltron doesn't count since that was like 99% fujos.

No. 1961071

>>1961064
Good. They're all pedos.

No. 1961080

>>1961070
are they tho? i have never heard anyone talk about bluey except for parents. Even the threads on /co/ are a failure that dont even reach max posts, specially considering that mlp had to be banned becaus horsefuckers wouldnt stop spamming the board with it. It genuinely doesnt have the waifufag appeal to it, it's just a boring kids shows.

No. 1961085

>>1961070
>Oh I agree. I also don't get why moids are so obsessed with it
they were either furfags, zoophiles and yuri fetishists who all transmitted their kinks between each other.

No. 1961092

>>1961080
That's what I mean by it comes the closest or at least in third because I just remembered loud house existed (which I think got banished to /trash/ because the only discussion it ever got was incest posting).

Still though my general point was that the majority of moids into kids shows like stuff that doesn't pander to them, the exception would be like Jerry Peet I guess who loses his shit everytime something isn't lesbians.
>>1961085
Obviously, what I don't get is why they latched onto Bluey in particular when there's other preschool shows out there. I guess it really comes down to luck sometimes.

No. 1961101

>>1961092
oh yeah loud house was the true successor to mlp because of all the ''waifus''. I think to be a true and honest mlp successor it needs waifubait. I don't think bluey fits that niche.

No. 1961124

There really isn't an overlap between furries and bronies, from my experience at least, bronies were mostly weebs who didn't care about animals beyond MLP and wouldn't be interested in a show like Bluey.
The reason furfags latched onto Bluey is because furfags latch onto anything that has anthropomorphic animals in it.
Bluey isn't "the new MLP" because it's just yet another piece of media furries latched onto, they aren't a whole community made around an individual thing the same way bronies were.

No. 1961131

>>1961124
people understimate how powerful bronies were. They were popping out animation, songs, fanfic and artwork since their inception. I dont see blueyfags making fan animations and fan songs about bluey, because its just a boring family show.

No. 1961134

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I'm not sure if this belongs here but I believe it's related to fandom. This is the event marked the decline of rock music in Korea, a country that once had a thriving rock and punk scene, I had known about korean punk long before K-pop. This event was at a live public music television program that featured indie punk bands, towards the end of the show two punk musicians from the band Rux, stripped naked and started jumping around, which was the most extreme and well-known incident, others wore shirts with Imperial Japanese and Nazi symbols, It was the most offensive things that could be seen in korean society. This event sparked a huge controversy, leading many korean music stations to stop featuring rock music due to these associations. It truly demonstrates how certain events can change basically everything and how much music tastes can be suppressed or molded by what networks decide is worth broadcasting. [NSFW spoiler]

No. 1961135

>>1961134
Here's the video of their performance(this one thankfully censored )

No. 1961141

>>1961134
is that how the average not yassified korean moid looks like? fucking ewww i prefeer the kpoopies

No. 1961167

>>1961134
uh wtf is this

No. 1961206

>>1961167
the reason kpop even exists.

No. 1961208

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Another incest ship drama going on is that the creator of the webtoon "The guy upstairs" is quitting because of people shipping the female protagonist and the sadistic killer antagonist despite them apparently being siblings. This is something that I've thought about as an artist writing an original project of my own because the moment you release your creation to the audience you can't decide how they will view the relationships between the characters or interpret the story. And I think that's fair, I have my own ships and I would probably be heartbroken if the creator threw a public tantrum about how much they hate it to the point they quit the entire comic. But as a creator I also can't deny that I would be endlessly annoyed if a ship I really, really hated personally became so popular to the point it would drain me of all of my motivation to continue the story. It's a tricky situation to imagine yourself to be in and what would be the most appropriate reaction, I guess it's just best for creators to avoid any interaction with the fandom to prevent being poisoned by their own creation.

No. 1961214

>>1961208
>is quitting because of people shipping the female protagonist and the sadistic killer antagonist despite them apparently being siblings.
so they dont have a problem with it being an inherently abusive ship between a woman and an abusive scrote, they draw the line at incest? wild

No. 1961217

>>1961208
The author must've tried to shake the shippers off in story before going as far as quitting, right? I'm surprised that didn't work.

No. 1961221

>>1961208
I think it's one thing to quit just because of fans shipping something you don't like, but it's another thing if these people are spamming the author's email and DMs which they likely have to leave open for business inquiries. That would be demoralizing.

No. 1961226

>>1961221
The artist herself is theorizing that the issue is that a lot of readers (I'm guessing younger ones) read the story on pirated websites that misleadingly listed the genre as "romance" when it was never supposed to be one and said (again, probably teenagers) are spamming her mail crying at her having ruined their Bad Boy I Can Fix x Just Like Me wattpad ship. If that happened to me I would probably want to quit too to be completely honest.

No. 1961234

>>1961208
Quitting a story because you can't force people to stop interpreting things in a way you don't like is dumb, but the issue here is that she's being spammed by retarded kids that won't cut it out.
It's a modern problem that any insufferable twat can directly speak with a writer or creator in a matter of seconds by jumping in their DMs or leaving a comment in one of their posts. This was talked about before here, how back then you had to sit down and write an actual well thought out letter if you wanted to get in touch with a writer, then wait weeks for it to be delivered and even more weeks for them to write back (if they even did).

No. 1961277

>>1961208
It feel like everyone is retarded in this scenario. This author is most known for making a yandere horror romance webtoon called "my deepest secret" so its not a surprise that fans of that webtoon also thought this one might be romance too considering the male lead and female lead being the main characters and him sparing out nlog queen while killing other girls. Honestly the author sounds sensitive or they
Used this as a excuse to drop this webtoon because they don't feel like continuing it anymore but couldn't outright admit it. Also lets be honest its maybe like 5 people max who would go as far as sending the author that, most people reading that story really didn't care. Some of you really are blowing this out of proportion which goes to show how easy it is to spread misinformation on lolcow.

No. 1961284

>>1961208
I think its funny that proshippers are in the quotes talking about how she's basically deserving of the harassment because her fandom grew too popular. I thought they were against harassment? Also
>harassing a woman with incest
Don't see how anyone could side with the fans. Personally, I would've kept going and wouldn't care, but if she's getting emails sent and is gaining a reputation for creating a work with a main incest pairing, I empathize with her.

No. 1961288

>>1961206
This is not true though the earliest kpop groups such as Seo Taiji and Boys, H.O.T , S.E.S · g.o.d, Shinhwa ,Sechs Kies and soloist lee hyori all debuted in the 90's-early 20's and they were much more popular than whatever k-punk was.
People love spreading misinformation in this thread.

No. 1961291

>>1958255
it's funny that fujos get shat on more for "promoting cis heterosexuality" than the actual heteros in fandom. in the rp sphere online soooo many women are ashamed of admitting they want to do bl ships now, you have to pretend you gaf about some woman's boring one note vaguely disguised vehicle for straight ships UNLESS you want to get booted for being a dirty fujoshit, it's sad and crazy. glad ai is advancing so (text-based) rp as a hobby just dies

No. 1961299

>>1961291
yeah also dont forget fujos are basically getting forced to like yuri

No. 1961300

>>1961284
>proshippers
Oh you're one of those anti-shipper spergs. Them being siblings wasn't revealed until later so most people reading that story didnt realize they were related until the reveal.
Also the author very obviously made this guy so people can thirst over him for being a hot red flag.

No. 1961303

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No. 1961305

>>1961299
Some fujos also liking yuri doesnt mean they are getting forced into it, get out of your echo chamber and stop getting triggered by fujos who consume other genres than just yaoi.

No. 1961306

>>1961299
Now this just sounds made up kek

No. 1961307


No. 1961308

>>1961305
i know some fujos enjoy yuri too on their own will but its annoying af to be called "lesbophobic" by some retard just for enjoying yaoi and not reading yuri

No. 1961310

>>1961134
now that you mentioned kpop i wish the fandom, not exactly the idols and other industry cows, would be mentioned in this thread but ive seen people getting redtexted for mentioning it in the past.

No. 1961311

>>1961305
>>1961306
no, she's right. if you like "mlm" only then you MUST show active support for "wlw" too within fandom. some fujos try to avoid criticism of consuming bl content by ALSO consuming or producing "yuri xDDD", but it's obvious when they favor one over the other. a statement like
>omg i love yaoi!/im obsessed with [yaoi ship here]
has become
>mind full of mlm AND WLW OF COURSE I LOVE THE LESBIANS TOXIC ~YURI~ (some milquetoast genshit pairing) due to [series here]

No. 1961317

>>1961311
also, again: this pressure is never placed onto regular m/f shippers. not afaik anyway. nor is it placed on men who only ship f/f funnily enough, wonder why

No. 1961320

>>1961300
I'm not an "anti-shipper" sperge, I laugh at any side of the argument. Just because I mention one doesn't mean I'm the other dumbass. And he's just a generic anime boy, of course people can thirst over him, but that doesn't mean she intended people to ship them together

No. 1961322

>>>1961311
Genuine question but do you spend your time only interacting with sjw tifs because im a fujo too and i spend time in fujo spaces and social media and this doesn't happen. You are purposely trigerring yourself by only interacting with the most cancerous tifs and tims and then claiming that fujos are forced to like yuri brcause of that.

And it's not just this one time but many times i see posts on this thread that make me go huh? and that can only happen if s anon surrounds themselves with that small echo chamber.

No. 1961326

>>1961322
NTAYT but what fujo spaces are you interacting with where tifs aren't constantly down your neck?

No. 1961329

>>1961326
There are tifs but there is a difference between the ultra sjw ones that you interact with.
In most fujo spaces rn there are women openly showing their faces while talking about yaoi and no one cares, its not 2018 anymore when fujos were being judged.
You want to be a perpetual victim.

No. 1961332

>>1961326
You need to get off twitter and Tumblr if you want to avoid dumb gendie teens. Stick to imageboards, private discords where you know the members aren't gendies, and use filters on ao3.

No. 1961333

>>1961326
Nta but I'm a non western fujo and I've never met a tif that much in the fandom spaces I'm in. It depends on what fandoms you are interacting with and whether it's western or Eastern social media, besides why the fuck would you care what a tif thinks of your fujo art just ignore her and keep on having fun

No. 1961339

>>1961329
>giving no examples of places with no tifs being annoying while also being an ass
>>1961332
Makes sense. I'm not really openly fujo, but I have a tiktok I use to post fanart and occasionally get comments from users that are infact, dumb gendie teens. I think I'll just delete the account.

No. 1961340

>>1961332
Even on twitter there are plenty of cool fujo posters and content which means that anon is mostly interacting with sjw gendies on purpose. Even on tiktok being a fujo is accepted, girls be making videos showing their whole face while giving recommendations and everyone is having fun and talking about the stories.

No. 1961342

>>1961339
>tiktok dumb gendie teens comment on my fanart.

Weird considering on tiktok there are plenty of fujo creators and they dont receive hate from gendies. I wonder why you attract them….hmmmm

No. 1961347

>>1961340
I know there are cool twitter fujos but I really hate how gacha and koreanslop dominates the discussion there

No. 1961360

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Speaking of tifs, does any other nonny check the Fanwork Research & Reference Guides tag on ao3? Most of it's basic stuff like how to format or use html, but picrel is one of the few "how to write [blank]"

No. 1961367

>>1961305
you're right and you should say it

No. 1961371

>>1961322
>>1961339
you type like a retard and sound like one too. your experiences aren't universal + if you're in a (niche) fandom that's overrun with tifs, you will encounter these people. and it isn't just tifs either, it's everyone from random yumejos to troons to normalshits who wander in. i'm glad that you've been having a good time but the western web is a cesspool
>b-but just ignore them?! never talk about the things you like in public spaces!? uhh durr be the digital equivalent of a rat in hiding?
great advice to give in the fandom salt thread you are a genius x

No. 1961374

>>1961339
>but I have a tiktok
Gee, I wonder why you have to deal with dumb gendie teens.

No. 1961383

>>1961371
Your not even using the insult in the first sentence properly.
>it's everyone from random yumejos to troons to normalshits who wander in.
Lmao wtf are you even consuming that literally everyone in existence is judging you kekkkkk.(infight bait)

No. 1961416

>>1961339
The problem is the teens part. Adult TIFs are annoying but they're less likely to get on your ass over everything unless they're turbosjws.

No. 1961425

Tbh I agree with anon who stated some of you are just looking for shit that upsets you. A lot of your problems would be solved if you just didn't interact with the larger fandom. It's really not that complicated avoiding most of these retards and I managed to do it myself with a fairly popular blog. Shit is so much more peaceful with my mutuals/followers. Everything else is blocked out.

No. 1961732

>>1961291
It's so bizarre. When you like ships with opposites i.e. a masculine man and an effeminate man you're "upholding heteronormativity" and I'm so fucking sick of it because I'm a butch IRL attracted to femmes and even then I get exposed to the similar "butch and femme is just repackaged heterosexuality" rhetoric like what the fuck? That's literally the same logic all the straight "we're so queer because the man puts on nail polish" couples operate on.

>>1961305
No, it happens a lot. Especially transbians found a new narrative to exploit which is "fujos are lesbophobic and misogynistic because they're not giving us yuri to coom to". I've also seen so many embarrassing mean girl larper K-pop PFPs talk shit about fujos not being into yuri while headcanoning actual K-pop singers as lesbians but also lusting for male celebrity dick (despite apparently being hardcore lesbian but it's comphet he's unattainable you guys!!!11). As for the "you're just looking for things to get mad about!" people, these dumb assholes are so hungry for constant outrage themselves that they appear in replies and QRTs all the fucking time over the most innocuous things.

No. 1961735

>>1961208
I have extra context for this for once! Don't have the screencaps, but it wasn't revealed the protag and antagonist were siblings until this April Fool's, with people obviously initially thinking it was just a joke. But no. The creator decided to reveal they were siblings on April Fool's. The creator then proceeded to get mad at people not taking them seriously on this reveal and THEN started to be upset about the ship. I saw it that same day and didn't keep up with it, but kek I guess.

No. 1961870

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I love fujos so much. no wonder there's so much more seethe about yaoi the past couple of years.

No. 1961936

>>1958255
Tbh you can apply this to most shippers, fujo or not. How is it not equally narcissistic to believe you can change the canon of a character or story to suit your own needs? What makes you think your version of events is better/worth seeing or reading more than the actual story? Who are you to extract, change, and have hundreds of people view your work?

No. 1961948

>>1961208
Counting my chickens a zillion times before they hatch obviously but I think I'd prefer the majority of my fans shipping a cringy ship that I hate than troon headcanons to be completely honest.
Also this isn't even how you snuff out a ship. If you want to truly kill it you have to make it a nothingburger and boring as fuck

No. 1962003

>>1961948
Not to mention that protagonist x antagonist is probably one of the most popular dynamics for any ship.
>>1961936
At that rate, is having fantasies about anything at all narcissism?

No. 1962019

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>go to Gaia Online for narutard nostalgia
>items now are full of tranny shit like masectomy scars and binders
fandom is their kingdom

No. 1962036

>>1961732
>I've also seen so many embarrassing mean girl larper K-pop PFPs talk shit about fujos not being into yuri while headcanoning actual K-pop singers as lesbians but also lusting for male celebrity dick (despite apparently being hardcore lesbian but it's comphet he's unattainable you guys!!!11)
These people ate literally modern day polilez but somehow they don't see it. They're basically saying "I'm attracted to men but I willingly choose not to date them (honestly this in itself is generous because everyone knows they'll have a boyfriend in 2 years) so I'm a lesbian!" which is just repackaged polilez, except arguably worse because they don't even try to do it in a celibate feminist centering women way because they still talk about slurping Jungkook's dick every tweet.

No. 1962074

>>1962019
>Gaiaonline

If that site wasn't cursed enough…

No. 1962075

>>1960159
I'd love to see how people like this would react to the fact that Achilles and Patroclus are cousins once-removed; Achilles' great-grandmother, the nymph Aegina, is also Patroclus' grandmother. That's pretty tame by Greek mythology standards, but it strikes me as the kind of thing internet puriteens would have a meltdown over.

No. 1962082

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>>1962075
They don't care.

No. 1962109

>>1962019
No fucking way. Seriously!?

No. 1962129

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>somehow locked out of my twitter account i forgot the email and password to
I accidentally freed myself. maybe its for the best.

No. 1962158

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>>1962109
>>1962019
For those unware, childhood favorite neopets also has troony shit, which is incredible funny considering this is the extensive censoring website

No. 1962160

>>1961732
>Especially transbians found a new narrative to exploit which is "fujos are lesbophobic and misogynistic because they're not giving us yuri to coom to"
Bloomfilters on Twitter is my personal lolcow because he posts this constantly in faux-feminist wording. And of course the yuri he likes is moeblob shit.

No. 1962165

>>1962158
Holy christ this can't be for real KEK

No. 1962174

>>1962165
DA but I still play Neopets and it is real. Most of the userbase is 25-40 and they unbanned LGBTQ topics on the heavily filtered forums several years ago. What makes me laugh is that even if there's troon items, Neopets can still only be male or female. So you have to shell out points to buy an item saying they're begendered, just like real life pride flag consoomers.

No. 1962175

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>>1962160
Pictured: two yuri-addicted men whining about women not creating them more hot lesbian coom material and trying to spin it as feminist rhetoric.

No. 1962181

>>1962175
the entitlement and laziness is off the charts

No. 1962192

>>1962175
bloomfilters is always on my fyp talking about trans women

No. 1962202

>>1962175
What in the name are they talking about? Are they not surprised that most women want to see dudes make out? I'm not being pedantic, I'm just pointing out that OSA women are more likely to belong to fandoms that produce m/m content than other categories. It's not rocket science, yet TIMs find reasons to complain when things don't go their way.

No. 1962204

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>>1962174
>troon items
>the Neopets can still be only male and female

No. 1962205

>>1962175
peak gaslighting. guess they think because they brainwashed retarded women into believing theyre actual women now they think they can bully them into liking yuri because they will be "le bad feminists" if they dont otherwise.
Man women need to start being comfortable being seen as mean people like men are.

No. 1962206

>>1962175
So they have the yuri content they want but now they're mad it's not popular enough? These trannies complain about everything holy fuck

No. 1962212

>>1962206
theyre mad because yuri isnt being worshipped in fandom. im guessing they look for things to get mad about because this wouldnt be a problem if they just follow other yuri artists lol

No. 1962220

>>1962212
It's funny because they're talking about ALNST and I've seen a fuckton of fanart for the yuri ship so no surprise they're moving the goalpost to fanfic. These people will do anything but make the content themselves and expect everything handed on a platter. You never see fujos ever act this entitled because they know canon is never gonna give them shit so they just write/draw themselves.

No. 1962226

>>1962212
Let's be real, they're not mad that yuri isn't popular (because it is), they're mad that BL is a thing to begin with. They don't want more people to gas up yuri, they want BL out entirely.

No. 1962229

>>1962175
Alienstage, while taking off right away, didn't get this big until more recently. So the M/M content-ish (one of the guys involved doesn't actually like him back in the slightest) took off a lot more. Not to mention that the whole starting point of the series was one of the women in the F/F pairing being killed off right away.
Round 6 took off specifically because the guy in love makes out with the guy not in love. It's not even about if M/M or F/F is more popular (the former is of course, as >>1962202 explained)

Also as someone who loves Vivinos and Qmeng, they both still regularly make content of the two women in the series, and have featured women in love many times before as they are two women in a relationship themselves.

No. 1962232

>>1962019
gaia is still a thing?

>>1961425
>you are just looking for shit that upsets you
This is me, I do this, and it's a nasty habit I should break out of and not handwave away as "to be fair, this is lolcow".

No. 1962244

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>>1962232
>gaia is still a thing?
Yeah. I went to check it after watching Cybergurlz. Honestly I hope it dies so tektek can be a thing again.

No. 1962265

>>1962226
this too. they dont want reminders of men existing at all like pic rel >>1961870

No. 1962283

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>>1962204
The best part is that they will never change that, because of the bogus code the site runs and is very low priority anyway. How ever they have a they/them npc who is a a sad artist who runs the shop to paint your neopet an unconverted color

No. 1962286

>>1962175
Yurifags are so fucking entitled. Yuri is way more mainstream than yaoi. Outside of NGE and Sakura Cardcaptor, i can't think of a single mainstream anime with yaoi. Meanwhile yurifags have Madoka, Sailor Moon, Utena, Dragon maid, the witch from mercury, flip flappers, and every single moeshit/idolshit ever created. You think scrotes would sit and watch a genderbent Madoka Magica? fuck no, they would think it's gay and throw it in the trash even if it's the best anime ever, just because it has yaoi in it. Yurishit is everywhere in anime, it's not something you can avoid like yaoi.

No. 1962287

>>1962286
Yuri on Ice, Sk8 Infinite (I think that's what it's called), Bananafish, and those are just what I can recall as someone that isn't even into BL.
>every single moeshit/idolshit
Those are not yuri and you damn well know it.

No. 1962291

>>1962019
Are you serious? I wanted to check back in on it recently but I’m having trouble logging in.
The fact that they’re doing that now is so depressing.

No. 1962293

>>1962287
yeah but none of those are mainstream. Mainstream is something that appeals to both women and men. Men arent watching yuri on ice.

No. 1962297

>>1962287
>Those are not yuri and you damn well know it.
they all have yuri fanservice shoehorned into it.

No. 1962300

>>1962293
Yuri on Ice absolutely was mainstream when it was at peak popularity

No. 1962301

>>1962175
It's funny because the F/F ship they're talking about is popular and there's a ton of fanart for it, there's just not much to be done because the series starts with one of them fucking dying. Plus, the M/M pairing had an on-screen one-sided angsty self-sacrifice kiss less than a week ago, of course fujos came running.

No. 1962304

>>1962300
I don't think you get my point… men aren't watching any of those anime.

No. 1962305

>>1962286
>Yuri is way more mainstream than yaoi.
Is it? More yuri anime gets produced but their numbers compared to yaoi manga are a lot lower.
>can't think of a single mainstream anime with yaoi
Devilman and these ones >>1962287
I do agree that there’s less fujobait compared to yuribait though.

No. 1962306

>>1962305
There isnt a single equivalent to Madoka with yaoi. As in, a big mainstream show with a canonical yaoi ship that gets popular with both men and women. Men aren't watching these ones >>1962287

No. 1962309

>>1962306
>There isnt a single equivalent to Madoka with yaoi.
Pretty sure Eva is a clean equivalent to it but okay.

No. 1962311

>>1962309
yeah but kaworu barely appears and the new movies basically shitted on kawoshin completely and´pairing kaworu with rei

No. 1962314

>>1962311
>yeah but kaworu barely appears
Still more of an iconic ship that Madohomu (no offense since I like both though.
>and the new movies basically shitted on kawoshin completely
Rebuild shitted on every aspect of the franchise, they’re just shit tier cash grabs that don’t matter.

No. 1962315

>>1962304
And women don't really watch yuri bait shows either as seen with cgdct fandoms that are dominated by men. The only yuribait shows with notable female fanbase are ones with high drama like utena and madoka

No. 1962316

>>1962287
>Those are not yuri and you damn well know it.
"Ara ara~ Seiko-chan's breasts have gotten so big!"
"Kyaaaa don't look!"

No yuri but yuribait as fuck for these moids

No. 1962317

>>1962306
Madohomu wasn't canon, though. In fact, part of why PMMM was so notable was because the realm of "two best friends who really, really, really care about each other to an extent it raises a few eyebrows" was traditionally relegated to male leads in shounen. Like Kawoshin, Sasunaru, Suzalulu, etc.

No. 1962318

>>1962317
its not canon but homura has feelings for madoka

No. 1962320

>>1962317
>"two best friends who really, really, really care about each other to an extent it raises a few eyebrows" was traditionally relegated to male leads in shounen
I feel like you've never read a CLAMP manga

No. 1962323

>>1962315
Utena and Madoka are more female gaze than your typical CGDCT show in general, the designs are more appealing to women than men.

No. 1962324

>>1962315
madoka magica, sailor moon, and utena, and idolshit like love live are extremely popular with women

No. 1962325

>>1962309
It really isnt. EVA has waifufag and fanservice for men. Men wouldn't watch eva if it was just men and fujobait.

No. 1962326

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Shipping wiki almost always putting gay ships as ‘semi canon’ is so fucking funny to me. Like Kaworu literally penetrated Shinji in EOE.

No. 1962328

>>1962326
who cares asushin is also semi-canon so it fits ig

No. 1962329

>>1962323
madoka absolutely appeals to men kek

No. 1962332

>>1962329
I literally just stated it also appeals to women though
A show can appeal to more than one gender and Madoka is a good example of it, I’d say the gender split for it is pretty even if anything.

No. 1962333

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>>1962287
and how long ago has it been since those anime were released? meanwhile more than 1 blatant yuribaiting anime premiered just this season.

No. 1962335

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We had Bravern last season so I ate good

No. 1962336

>>1962323
Are they really "female gaze" when both are directed by men? I like Utena and it is very good but it's weird how that always seems to be forgotten about.

No. 1962339

>>1962333
There's an omegaverse show airing this season.

No. 1962340

>>1962336
Yes? You do realize there's multiple people who work on a show right and just because it's directed by a man doesn't mean that it's automatically a 'male gaze' show. Both of the character designers were women anyway.

No. 1962341

>>1962339
God…don't remind me about that. We are getting a new black butler season soon though, so that's something to look forward to

No. 1962342

>>1962336
uten aired in 1997

No. 1962343

My point was that yuri is more accepted in fandom and media than yaoi. Men wouldn't watch an anime with yaoi in it because ''yucky fags'', but women don't have a problem with it because they aren't insecure womanchildren.

No. 1962345

>>1962343
Ok I agree with your point then.
Every so often you see a guy who's willing to give BL a chance (ie: a guy on a VN thread said he'd pick up Hashihime) but the vast majority are insecure pussies about it.

No. 1962346

>>1962175
vivicuck sucks ass anyway, he/she/they are always pulling the dead lesbians trope, maybe yaoi is more their forte. i'm not a fujoshi or himejoshi but i dipped my toes into f/f for a year and himejoshi have it rough. literally fucking nothing except scroteshit from moids, girldick from the trannies, and bait n switch/deadbians from the actual women.

No. 1962347

>>1962335
amen nonna

No. 1962348

>>1962343
It's just another difference in female and male psychology unfortunately. It's not like you can make moids sit through a yaoibait show, they'll just turn it off because their feefees got hurt. Women don't let the lack of coom material targeted at them deter them from a good story the way moids do. I don't see this changing.

No. 1962349

>>1962346
Haven't looked at alien stage yet but their older stuff was cute.

No. 1962351

>>1962316
Shit pisses me off. this is the same shit as 'lesbian porn' but it's literally two straight women fucking for the male gaze, written and directed by a man. It is not yuri

No. 1962352

>>1962343
I think this is true, men sperg much harder over yaoibait than women do over yuribait. But it's also true that it's still pretty rare for any mainstream anime to portray canon, reciprocal M/M or F/F pairings. At best, they're either side characters with little screentime, or more commonly, these ships are just teased endlessly and never confirmed because it would inevitably alienate part of the viewerbase. They like to keep both M/M and F/F in the realm of plausible deniability, but I agree it's much riskier to confirm M/M in a mixed sex fandom because moids are very insecure about it.

No. 1962354

>>1962351
yeah but this is the kind of "yuri" men want kek. they dont want actual lesbians

No. 1962355

>>1962354
It's still not yuri in my eyes. I want actual yuri, not male gazey bullshit. Lesbians always get the scraps.

No. 1962357

>>1962351
nta but it is yuri. 90% of yuri is scroteshit, that doesn't make it not yuri.

No. 1962358

>>1962355
Have you tried lesbian literature? i dont think you are going to find non scroteshit yuri, it's anime after all and most straight women can't find non scroteshit femgaze content.

No. 1962361

Kind of OT but the yuri people in the eva fandom are annoying.
I really don't get why they ship Asuka x Rei and Ritsuko x Misato instead of Ritsuko x Maya.

No. 1962362

>>1962361
Ritsuko x Maya is based and canon imo.

No. 1962363

>>1962346
If it makes you feel better, Vivinos and Qmeng killed off the yaoi boy too kek
>>1962351
It's still yuri, a lot of yuri is really male gazey and always has been. You can try to argue it "doesn't count," but that's the standard. If you want F/F anime-style content made by actual women for women, you'll have to get into KR + CN webtoons like Tamen de Gushi or something.

No. 1962364

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>>1962362
It is on Maya's side but Ritsuko wants to screw Gendo (and sometimes Kaji) instead.
Still cute though.

No. 1962365

>>1962363
isnt he only presumed to be dead? idk maybe im just coping but he could come back

No. 1962402

>>1962364
Such a cute fanart. Thank you for posting.

No. 1962426

Why does it feel like people headcanon random characters as asexual and then get mad other people don't see them that way or draw porn of them. It's especially weird for characters that are implied to have children. Like, I'm used to "[blank] is gay!" but the asexual people feel more unbearable somehow.

No. 1962434

>>1962426
people that get mad that others dont recognize their retarded headcanons are mentally ill and not worth thinking about. asexual people are a different breed of mental illness because they think people really think about how much they dont enjoy having sex.

No. 1962492

>>1962346
First of all the studio is ran by two women. Secondly death and horror are like the two main themes in their work. It's not 'dead lesbians' trope it's just the genre they're working with.

No. 1962504

>>1962426
I hate these faggots thinking that a character not being a slut or blatantly attracted to another character means that they're asexual or even autistic.

No. 1962512

>>1962426
This keeps happening with a series I like and it's bewildering to me because he's canonically had crushes. It's funny because in this case, it's clearly just them trying to one-up people who ship him with a man. I've seen it happen before in fandom where they treat it like oppression math. "[XYZ] is gay" is predictable, trite, boring. But "[XYZ] is asexual" shows you're not like those filthy shippers, you are the most woke in all the land.

No. 1962529

>>1962346
>>1962492
>Women are always killing off the lesbians.
>First of all the studio killing off the lesbians are both women.
Kekk
Anyway while you're right that death is their theme, they do use death tropes, Bury Your Gays/Dead Lesbians being one of them.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathTropes

No. 1962544

>>1962426
It's creepy when they headcanon kid characters are asexual, like duh? They're kids? I saw some 28 year old claim Ash Ketchum is "canonically aroace" and it creeped me out more than fanatics who ship him with Misty or Gary.

No. 1962545

>>1962426
>make shit up in your head
>get mad when other people don't recognize the shit you made up in your head
>throw giant tantrum
>repeat
maybe headcanonfags were a mistake

No. 1962589

>>1962426
Why should people care if so-so is gay? No one cares and the show may probably negate that headcanon in a season or two. It's so much worse in the genshin Community becuase not only are characters headcanoned as solely gay, but trans and whole entire races becuase screw you that's why. Anyone who doesn't follow their pet theories are instantly harassed even when it's a minor disagreement. Of course, there's characters "coded" as gay, but some of them are a reach and a half especially the albedo is ace or autistic headcanons.

No. 1962621

>>1962019
Gaia online has tif itmes now?! If they wanna fuck up their own shit like twt and tik tok, go ahead, but leave old internet out of this. Wow.

No. 1962625

>>1962244
>tektek
based

No. 1962627

>>1962544
It's so creepy because putting sexuality on a literal 12 year old character is already weird. I hate asexuals so much because they think if people arent humping 24/7, they obviously dont like sex.

No. 1962628

>>1962589
Remember when headcanons were literally just that? I mean, it doesnt matter what you want to put on your character in a headcanon, because it should only be relevant to you, but the problem is that now these gendie zoomer morons think their headcanon should be EVERYONE'S headcanon. Make it make sense.

No. 1962677

>>1962628
dungeon meshi talk I know, but I still have to remind myself that shit like Marcille and Falin being lesbians is just a headcanon and not canon just because of how pushed it is in the fandom and how no one is allowed to say otherwise. Fandom just isnt allowed to be fun and flexible to interpretation anymore and honestly its kinda sad. ironically trying to make everything super progressive just ends up stifling creativity.

No. 1962702

>>1962677
I like Farcille myself but the flack I've seen people get for shipping Laios and Marcille or saying they're not canonically lesbians is so retarded. I swear they take their rhetoric straight out of the Hoyoverse yurifag textbook because they go beyond headcanons and insist Marcille is lesbian-coded therefore shipping her with Laios is homophobic and complain that M/M is taking over the AO3 tag or whatever (it's not). That or all of the Hoyotards migrated to DM because it's currently the flavor of the season and brought their cancer with them.

No. 1962713

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>When I try to understand the BSD fandom is full of minors or younger than 25 years old or more, yet they are full of shit for a pairing or a headcanon

I wish I was in the fandom when it wasn't THAT toxic.

No. 1962728

>>1962713
anon, if i'm being honest, i usually struggle to understand half the posts you make. like, linguistically. or i understand but i have to reread them 10 times. idk if it's me or you.

No. 1962729

>>1962713
are you ESL or a bot

No. 1962734


No. 1962744

>>1962728
I really need to re-read my posts before to post them.

No. 1962804

>>1962426
even worse, i had a gendie acquaintance once say that she didn't like seeing characters she hc'ed as muslim celebrate christmas in official holiday content

No. 1962811

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>>1962426
Specially when is obvious that said character might had sex wherever in canon or not. "Oh but asexuals can have sex too to please their part-" no, unless you're quiet during sex and not react to touches or something.

No. 1962834

>>1962811
guys, i swear to god, at this point just try typing your posts in whatever language you are actually fluent in and chuck it into google translate, it'll get you surprisingly good results.

No. 1962857

>>1962286
those arent yuri anime. Though we can argue the amount of yuribait.

No. 1962869

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>>1962834
I don't think Google Translator likes my Spanish grammar to translate it into English.

No. 1962962

>>1962287
>Names three shows and they're all from the same studio and the same superfujo director
Thanks for proving the point.

>>1962286
Even in western media it's always f/f ships that get canonized. Partly it's because it's easier to censor for countries with laws regarding portrayal of same sex relationships but mostly it's because male showrunners having this Andrew Dobson-esque way of thinking that they're unironically an amazing LGBT ally for making hot women kiss but draw the line at m/m couples because that's FETISHIZING (i.e. disgusting to them). No butch lesbians ever either, it's always two palatable, conventionally attractive women, and then yurifags get personally offended when you're not into two femmes doing femme things because that's not cute/coomable!!!

No. 1962993

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How did Dungeon Meshi, one of the most inoffensive animes in years, ever cultivate such a cancerous fandom? It's filled with 20-year old they/she NLOGs and pornbrained trannies, all sperging about lesbians and that fat guy they husbandofag for endlessly.
>reeeee women stop doing something you like and pander to ME!!!! drawing sexy women making out is fighting the patriarchy I swear!!!! now excuse me while I get back to posting RPF shipping k-pop fancams supporting an industry widely known for exploiting and prostituting young women but I headcanon as radfem lesbians so it's okay

No. 1962998

>>1962993
dont worry it'll be over once the new anime of the month comes by

No. 1963006

>>1962993
Funny how they never try to coerce men into liking yaoi.

No. 1963083

>>1962993
That's just what all fandoms are like nowadays. The best way to be is to enjoy things alone or with a closed group of like-minded friends. Even then, high chance one of them gets addicted to the retarded drama of the week mill.

On a related note, I think nonnies who complain about the state of "current fandom" have just grown up and simply long for the way fandom "used to be" in their younger years. I say this as one of them myself. Fandoms have always been a certain kind of annoying and dramatic, the type of annoying and dramatic just evolves with time and is shaped by the current sociopolitical sphere (notably the 24/7 negative news media cycle and a normalization of being a weeb online on your computer). "Back then" fandom was not better only different.

No. 1963088

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>>1962993
She is so close to understanding that women prefer yaoi because they simply like (seeing) pretty men. I do understand the annoyance because I also don't like seeing people obsess other random side characters just because they are (somewhat attractive and) male, but just don't engage with fandom then kek it will always be full of women and girls like that because they are literally spending their free time doing things they want to do. What's the goal of even pointing it out? Should everyone become polilez since any attraction to men is centering them again? It's another case of disliking a popular thing and desperately reaching for a moral justification to make other people dislike it as well. All this shit creates such annoying and insecure women that still obsess over male characters but feel the need to add that they actually hate/headcanon them as transfem while calling female characters their please step on me mommy uwu and similar empty meme phrases

No. 1963094

>>1963088
>women being straight and lusting after male characters is misogyny
I wonder if she thinks straight men being into waifus is misandry, kek.

No. 1963170

>>1962993
dungeon meshi is like crack to them. various body types, le quirky dwarf character that cooks strange foods, lesbian baiting, it has it all for a retarded gendie to love and self insert into. I miss when it was still just a niche manga that was only discussed on 4chan, a few tumblr blogs and somethingawful lol

No. 1963173

>>1962993
Im so happy my twitter locked me out. now I can just laugh instead of going A-log like an autist like these fuckers want people to do.

No. 1963175

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>>1963094
Well, moids don't matter because they aren't into the same majority-female fandoms she's into so she doesn't see that.

>>1962175
>>1963088
Isn't the fact that there are way less lesbians than gay or bi people enough to explain this phenomenon kek

No. 1963186

>>1963088
What business do these people have talking about others "centering patriarchy" when they're demanding women to make more palatable content to men? The popularity of BL is due to it connecting all sorts of women together regardless of their sexuality as it allows them to explore a world through characters that have endless opportunities but have the emotional intelligence and inner world of women due to being written by them, all without involvement from real life scrotes. Men absolutely hate BL and want it gone, so how exactly is it enforcing the patriarchy? These people make no sense and they're so bold about their ignorance too.

What I find particularly curious is that they also often love het content and regularly spam their feed with it but scream at fujos for "centering men and the patriarchy" because their ships don't involve female characters. It seems to me like the pipeline goes from "teenage fujoomer -> pornsick yurifag -> hetshit enthusiast (with a boyfriend)". The same thing happened back in the 00's so it's practically a tale as old as time. And like many others in those twitter threads have repeated, as someone who creates original f/f material I can say that these motherfuckers are never interested in supporting it and always treat the creators like shit. It's all about bandwagoning and FOMO for them, they need to "have their side win" during the popular thing of the season.

No. 1963187

>>1963094
Their argument only makes sense if you see the fictional bishonen from BL manga and from fanart and fanfics as real, living people. The truth is that BL fandoms tend to be female centric, most fans are women, support each other, recommend each other's works, hang out together, etc. and the few guys involved are either gay fans who like the same stuff as the majority of women, or guys professionally involved in the production of BL who acknowledge their fujoshi fans, whether they're artists, voice actors, game devs, live action actors, writers, etc. And even then that's kind of a reach. These girls on twitter would know if they bothered leaving their rooms more than once a year and went to an anime or comic con.

No. 1963190

>>1963083
you have a point. tbh i'm getting to an age where I shouldn't even be too overly involved in fandom anymore and at this point i'm just getting myself upset at nothing. I have to keep reminding myself that in the past my version of fandom was deviantart, hanging out with irl friends that were into the same thing and going to small local anime cons and I was happy. I didnt need to know that millions of other people around the world liked what I liked and what they were saying about it.

No. 1963192

>>1963186
they think if they can brainwash people into believing (more like tolerating until theyre put into that position) that lesbians can have dicks they can brainwash people into believing that being into yaoi is anti feminist somehow.

No. 1963268

>>1963094
nope. straight men get to be into whatever they want without some bitch in their ear telling them its bad (mainly because they wont put up with that bullshit). Hope Labru shippers never stop doing what theyre doing and spite these retards even more.

No. 1963300

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As a long time femslash fan I get really exhausted of people complaining about it not being popular. Especially when they claim to be femslash fans and ship nothing more than Genshit or gacha ships, and otherwise only consume content that revolves around males. Maybe you don't like "yuri" as much as you claim to? Maybe you're using it to virtue signal?

There's also such a marked difference between a "wlw sapphic cottagecore cute girls make me nervous!" poser versus a "I like pussy" truther. Stuff like picrel is touted as GREAT wuluhwu rep but it's completely toothless. I'd argue the spinny skirt shit made by JP moids is better than western yuri slop because at least those moids actually are attracted to the subject matter + isn't entirely treating it as an aesthetic.

No. 1963311

>>1963186
>The popularity of BL is due to it connecting all sorts of women together regardless of their sexuality as it allows them to explore a world through characters that have endless opportunities blah blah blah
The popularity of BL is that it's PORN, you retard. It isn't some feminist goldmine safe space, it's porn. Women have sexual desire, most women are heterosexual, so seeing two hot guys go at is appealing for a decent chunk of them.
>b-but muh fujo lesbians?!
A minority. They are an exception to the rule. Also,
>Men absolutely hate BL and want it gone
Men aren't a monolith? I've seen several actual men, gay and bi, speak to their BL enjoyment. Men love porn too.(Fujo derail)

No. 1963316

>>1963300
>There's also such a marked difference between a "wlw sapphic cottagecore cute girls make me nervous!" poser versus a "I like pussy" truther.
Based i like pussy truther. I feel like those larpers would shriek in disgust if they saw pussy eating in their wholesome wlw slop.

No. 1963347

>>1963300
>Maybe you don't like "yuri" as much as you claim to? Maybe you're using it to virtue signal?
yeah this is probably it. last time i checked when Madoka was the anime everyone was watching back in 2011, everyone and their mothers were shipping Madoka and Homura together, whether they were into yaoi, yuri, or just normies. This just seems like a result of self victimization in fandom where people cant just enjoy what they have in their own spaces anymore and have to spread their misery everywhere. moralfags like this have always been a thing but difference was they were made fun of by the majority of fandom.
Now they have to whine about how oppressed they are because no one really cares about their ship that probably isn't very captivating to most people to begin with hence why its unpopular.

No. 1963377

>>1963347
>no one really cares about their ship that probably isn't very captivating to most people to begin with hence why its unpopular.
Yeah, this is definitely another element to it. If the thing in question has nothing but boring, borderline offensive female characters (e.g. like 99.9% of shonens) it makes sense that women, who compose the bulk of shippers/fandom, aren't going to be interested. I've always felt these types are just yumes (or self-inserters/self shippers/whatever) mad that the character they project onto it getting shat on. Or a zealous fujoteen called them a hetshitter way back in the day and they still have a chip on their shoulder.

No. 1963466

>>1963300
>There's also such a marked difference between a "wlw sapphic cottagecore cute girls make me nervous!" poser versus a "I like pussy" truther
I don't care about yuri and I'm straight so I'm only talking about what I've seen in passing, but I've also noticed this, and it's even worse than its equivalent in BL. I don't get the point of reading a romance manga if absolutely nothing happens at all besides cutesy hugs and kisses, and most yurifags encourage that thing, and call female yurifags who actually want to see more dramatic stories or occasional raunchy scenes fetishizers. Like, what's the point?

No. 1963540

>>1963377
People who endlessly cape for the female shounen character the latch on to and scream misogyny at anyone who doesn't share their delusions make me rip my hair out because instead of wanting multidimensional female characters with as much variety as the male ones they pick one empty shell and fill her with their own fantasies, basically doing the writer's job for them. If your headcanon is so far off the original source material you can't blame others for not seeing it. People watch Sakura getting justified hate and whiteknight her endlessly despite her being a fictional character Kishimoto, a living breathing male, added as a filler to this series. Some people grew up being raised by the screen and seeing these works of fiction more real than the grass growing outside and it shows. Incels screeching about a female main having "a manface" because she doesn't look like an anime waifu or because their gacha character wasn't wearing a bikini to the point they get a game artist fired is a reflection of real life misogyny, not some women whaling for a bishounen or drawing JJK yaoi.

No. 1963542

>>1963300
>Maybe you don't like "yuri" as much as you claim to? Maybe you're using it to virtue signal?
This is what I suspect of most "himejoshi" that are usually polilez or AGPs. I've always accepted that F/F is less popular than M/F or M/M because 95% of women are straight and most bi women I know prefer the latter categories. The solution isn't to guilt trip people to like your ship, it's talking about it. In one of my last fandoms I only liked F/F and I actively commented on fics and fanarts, linked them to people, and talked about it. That's how other people got me into other ships too. Not screaming about misogyny and it's anti-feminist to not be obsessed with Genshin characters or support some random moeblob manga.

No. 1963555

>>1962993
It's because it's inoffensive that there's nothing stopping them.
Made in Abyss has androgynous and crossdressing characters but you barely see anything about them being trans because when the author is so overt with his fetishes they feel called out.

No. 1963558

>>1962993
The male entitlement never leaves. How about you draw it yourself if you're such a woman?
Rethorical question, it would get a faux-gotcha answer that has nothing to do with the person being questioned, such as "disabled people exist".

No. 1963564

>>1963558
Wait, she's female, my bad. She's still entitled though.

No. 1963605

>>1963466
It just comes from yuri as a genre, it’s really into the ‘purest form of love’ aspect.

No. 1963607

>>1963088
Does she not realize even if everyone magically understood that liking M/M is somehow patriarchal they still wouldn't turn to yuri? Most women involved in fandom are OSA so it's hardly surprising their preferences don't lean towards F/F. I genuinely don't understand why yurifags are so insistent on trying to guilt everyone into writing F/F when all that's going to get you is dispassionately written "w-we're two girls and kissing!" picnic/sleepover fanfics or people forcing F/F in as a side ship with only 3 sentences mentioning it. At least try encouraging the people who already write for you instead by leaving kudos and comments. No one complaining about this shit actually regularly reads F/F fanfic because they'd know trying to shame others only leads to peformative garbage and the F/F tag is already shit as is.

No. 1963610

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>>1963540
Reminds me of this meme a lot
Like yeah it's almost like most of these women are from shounen series written by adult moids for teenage moids who only exist to be someone's love interest. Some of them I see hated way more by male fans than female ones anyway (Misa Amane for one).

No. 1963611

>>1963610
kek wtf Misa was hated so much by male fans back in the day. The only people I saw that actually tolerated her and didnt A-log when they saw her were female fans.

No. 1963614

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>>1963611
Some female fans critiqued her writing for being pretty openly misogynistic, but for the most part I think the majority just wanted her wardrobe kek.
Men on the other hand still haven't moved on from Misa and make think pieces long after the series ended about how she ruined it.

No. 1963617

>>1963610
Who the fuck hates nene?

No. 1963618

>>1963610
lol so many moids hate sakura too. they only like hinata bc they see her as a submissive trad waifu with big boobs

No. 1963621

>>1963617
Literally only person I've met who hates her was a fakeboi.
At least they were honest in that they said they don't like Nene (and Aoi) because they were girls and they're 'a gay man'.
Otherwise people say 'I like her but she's kinda repetitive'. I don't think anyone really hates her.
>>1963618
This.

No. 1963627

>>1963621
Makes sense. Nene doesn't really ''get in the way'' of any yaoi ship so i don't understand why she's there.

No. 1963632

>>1963627
Hanako x Tsukasa I guess? There isn't really any hated characters in Hanako though.

Not really sure what Hermonie is getting in the way of either honestly.

No. 1963640

>>1963610
I've literally never seen fujos hate on Nezuko, Nobara, Hermione or that Hanako-kun girl. This is straight up schizophrenia

No. 1963641

>>1963640
its TIM projection most definitely. most of the characters on that list were hated by male weebs

No. 1963643

>>1963640
They are probably the kind that thinks disliking female characters for any reason is misogyny.

No. 1963653

>>1962529
You really are too dumb. Their thing is horror and drama which is why they keep killing pretty much every single couple they create or making it a toxic relationship. They focus on lesbians because they are lesbians irl, if you think that makes them homophobic you must be mentally ill. This is another thing that I'm tired of in fandom, every "minority" has to be in a super fluffy pure love happy relationship or be an angel of a person or you're being a bigot. Let them write whatever the fuck they please

No. 1963666

>>1963653
nta but I actually was shocked when I was one of their videos, but after a while it got, cause we know it's gonna involve either doomed romance of a toxic obsessed stalker

No. 1963676

>>1962962
>Even in western media it's always f/f ships that get canonized.
Nope. Up until 2022, there were always more gay males on tv than lesbians. 2022 was the first year there were more lesbians on tv than gay dudes.Gay men, being men, are much more likely to get a tv show on the air than lesbians. However, for cartoons, there are move tv shows with lesbians than gay males for obvious reasons.

No. 1963678

>>1960159
Aren't cousin relationships more normal in Japan anyway? Maybe not common, but in the sense that there's not as much of a taboo around it

No. 1963681

>>1963676
yeah I don't know what their getting at either, in terms of live action there are way more canon gay male depictions.

No. 1963686

>>1963666
from one esl-chan to another, please take a second to fucking proofread. this is worse than lilee jean's attic pidgin

No. 1963688

>>1963676
nta but can you give some examples? i genuinely cant remember a single canon gay ship in western media. I only remember lesbians like blubblegum and marceline or korra and whatever her name was.

No. 1963690

>>1963681
probably talking about cartoons

No. 1963692

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>>1963610
>hated by fujos
>mikasa
>Yachi

KEK literally the opposite. Yachi is extremely well liked by HQ fans(Most of which are female and fujos) The only ones that have some weight are Sakura and Misa. When their shows first started airing in the West, both of them got the biggest hate from both sexes. But tbh in current year more female fans like and defend them now, including fujos.

No. 1963699

>>1963688
interesting you only really see gay male characters in adult animation like the simpsons etc. Kids shows only have lesbians in them.

No. 1963705

>>1963699
they have gay moids but they are never protagonists, they are like gay dads that appear on the background, like on the loud house. It's honestly pretty weird that lesbians in cartoons are always depicted as teen girls/young women and they are always femme… definetly a fetish.

No. 1963706

>>1963688
Have you heard of this tv show called Glee? Gay males are more common overall, but in the subset of animated tv shows, lesbians are more common.

No. 1963708

>>1963692
I've been in the HQ fandom since 2015 and never once did I see anyone shit on Yachi, let alone fujos specifically. At best you could reach and say they hated on her because of her scenes with Hinata and Yamaguchi's crush on her but literally nobody cared. Fujos didn't see romantic undertones between her and Hinata and ignored the whole Yamaguchi thing. They just called them besties and proceeded to say she's gay for Kiyoko kek. A TIM had to have made that image because the HQ fandom is 99% female and anyone would say Yachi hate never happened.

In general, the whole "fujos hate this female character for getting in the way of their ship" never happens anymore. Most either don't care about the character and won't tweet about her but if they're pozzed then they'll make performative girlboss tweets or ship her with another random female character. It's not the late 2000s.

No. 1963710

>>1963706
so there is only one show? there arent more? you made it seem like canon gay moids in shows were extremely common.

No. 1963721

>>1963610
The whole "female characters are hated by fujoshis" hasn't been true for decades anyways. If fujos ever do wanna get a female character out of the way they'll just make her a lesbian and ship her with a random other female character lol. Yachi x kiyoko was really popular not as a ship on its own, but as a side ship in all the m/m fics, mikasa x annie, nancy x robin, nobara x maki, uraraka x the yandere girl, even aerith x tifa is popular between sefikuras

>>1962175
2k likes on this tweet and only 1k kudos on the most popular fic for the yuri ship they're trying to hype up, hmmm looks like himejoshis are just good at wasting time on twitter LOL we're not even saying "if you want f/f content make it" we're saying "if you want f/f content leave kudos to encourage the authors"

No. 1963726

>>1963710
Seriously, though, have you actually heard of Glee? Because I am kind of doubting your knowledge of live action Western tv right now.

No. 1963730


No. 1963731

>>1963726
i dont understand how one single show having a gay couple somehow proves gay moids are overflowing in tv. There are waaaay more western animated shows that have lesbians.

No. 1963732

>>1963730
do any of those have any fandom relevance? because this is the fandom thread and anon was talking about f/f couples in series that have fandoms.

No. 1963762

>>1963731
This is surprising to me, Ive always heard that lesbians were fucking everywhere as a trope because they were easier to portray as men like looking at hot chicks kiss.

No. 1963763

>>1963710
Have you somehow not heard about Hannibal? Also Supernatural?

No. 1963764

>>1963763
hannibal has canon fags?

No. 1963766

>>1963763
I have never watched Hannibal, but was no gay relationship in supernatural.

No. 1963767

>>1963764
have you been living under a rock? you didn't watch the last episode?

No. 1963769

>>1963767
Hell no, arent they super old? why would i watch that

No. 1963771

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>>1963610
who the fuck hates yachi? she literally never had any romantic interaction let alone relationship with a male character. people were literally shipping her with kiyoko because she was adoring her beauty and it seemed like she had a tiny crush on her (if you squint). if anything, yachi brings hinata and kageyama closer together and encourages them to mend their relationship after a fight. kek, why is history being rewritten in front of our eyes? the women in haikyuu were/are loved because they are well-written and go through character development (although they are side characters and don't get much attention). i have never seen any of them get hate.

No. 1963777

>>1963610
Pretty sure almost all of these characters are here because they don't have a big fanbase like the male characters in their shows do which is just cringe because literally every single one of these women are in a shounen or a shounen-adjacent story. Not because "fujos hate them".

No. 1963786

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I used to be a massive fan of the CW Arrowverse (it's what got me into reading comics and I would actually consider it's communnity to be one of the last genuine fandoms) and for some reason, there were a lot of lesbians in those shows. Some were side characters and some were main characters, but on other hand I can only think of one actual gay man in the entire property and one of the stranges things about the fandom was that there were very few male slash shippers and TIMss. You would think that with a series featuring muscular men fighting each other, would attract a huge number of fujos, and I'm sure some existed, but they were really minor in the fandom and there were basically zero TIMs as well, again I'm sure some existed but I never came across any. This was something I had never come across, It was a fandom almost exclusively of heterosexual and lesbian women who shipped either straight ships or lesbian ships. I don't know any other cape like that.

No. 1963815

>>1963786
To be fair all the men are ugly, not like it has ever stopped fujos, but i feel like they have more options for genuine anime with gay male characters nowadays than in the supernatural days.

No. 1963820

the gay pairing in alien stage is a little more interesting than the lesbian pairings

No. 1963823

>>1963764
Will and Hannibal commit suicide literally in each other's arms and were supposed to kiss in that scene. Post credit scene also shows that they somehow survived and are at least living together

No. 1963832

>>1963710
>you made it seem like canon gay moids in shows were extremely common.
That's all you. I said they were common than lesbians to counteract someone who said that the lesbians were more common. I didn't say anything about them being extremely common.

>There are waaaay more western animated shows that have lesbians.

Why do you keep talking about animated shows when I specified I was talking about tv shows as whole. Yes, lesbians are more common in animated shows. Gay males more common in everything else. Add up animated and everything else, and you get gay males more common than lesbians in all of US (I've been saying Western but the only have data I've seen is for the US) media. It's like redheads are more common in Ireland, but brown hair is more common worldwide. And you are over here like, "how can you say brown hair is more common worldwide, when I see all these redhead Irish people." I don't know how to respond to that.

Anyway, knock yourself out.
Where We Are on TV Reports: https://glaad.org/whereweareontv22/

No. 1963838

>>1963786
The fujos stuck to Gotham.

No. 1963851

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>>1963766
They made Castiel confess his love in the very last episode in 2020 after 15 seasons of nothing kek it became a huge meme. Spoilered because he looks like an unfortunate pug

>>1963820
I don't know, they seem pretty much the same, maybe it seems more interesting because it's so one-sided so there are more possibilities to think about? The Mizi/Sua storyline was simply over very early on. I don't know why Mizi/Hyuna isn't popular right now and I wonder if a Mizi/Till ending would make the people currently bitching say vivinos is homophobic

No. 1963867

>>1963832
NTA but this hill is such a stupid one to die on when the context was clearly about media adjacent to anime, not some Netflix-funded mainstream drama shows that aren't directed towards women. Hannibal is an extreme exception in this category.
>inb4 reeeeeeee nobody specified that!!!
It's your own fault for not having reading comprehension and beginning a discussion about apples when everyone else was talking about oranges.

No. 1963877

>>1963786
you know you’re right
But it did have a lot of straight women shipping Oliver with Felicity. After all the discussions on disappearing het ships i feel somewhat nostalgic thinking about it despite hating that ship in the past, i was a committed green arrow x Black Canary shipper and was salty at the comic changes

The show just didn’t attract wokies who have fujoshis attached to them to the hip
>>1963838
Even in comics they never seem to leave the Bat bubble
Second biggest fujo comic population lives in GL fandom

No. 1963883

>>1963618
Doesn’t make the meme any less true
Fujoshis used to be committed to hating female characters because it gets in the way of muh sin babies. Now they just ignore their existence. In JJK i feel like fanboys were hyping up Noburas potential while fujoshis just fantasised about geto x gojo

No. 1963887

>>1963877
I forget to mention that, it was the last time I have seen a shipping war between characters that had canon romantic relationships with each other and wasn't based on HC's.

No. 1963897

>>1963883
>Fujoshis used to be committed to hating female characters because it gets in the way of muh sin babies
this isn't even true. when fujos did hate on a female character it was in the same way ANY shipper hates on someone getting in the way of their ship, and in most cases it was especially annoying to see two males written to be literal soulmates then that got ruined because of a one-two personality trait bangmaid who popped up out of nowhere

No. 1963901

>>1963883
Back in the day I saw just as much fangirls saying "fuck off sakura, sasuke belongs to ME!!!! he's MY BOYFRIEND!!!" but of course people still keep pinning this shit on fujos alone.

No. 1963907

>>1963883
That's just being real with Nobora tbf.
Has she shown back up in the manga yet?

No. 1963908

>>1963867
It really is so I don't know why keep stabbing yourself on the hill. You are going to bleed out. I've, said three times now, lesbians are more common in animation. I have acknowledged that that's it's correct. Since that's the thing you were on about, there was no need to respond to asking for examples of gay males, when I said that lesbians were more common in my very first comment about this.

No. 1963916

>>1963815
>To be fair all the men are ugly
I respectfully disagree

No. 1963924

>>1963916
eh, he has that super generic gay military scrote/male self insert look. Are fujos even into that?

No. 1963933

>>1963924
the point is I actually do the Arrowverse had a diversity of attractive males and I will stand by that.

No. 1963937

>>1963933
is there a pretty boy? i am not into the male self insert/gay stripper look. I actually liked peacemaker because Adrian Chase was cute.

No. 1963938

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>>1963937
There are more common in the flash series.

No. 1963943

I don't recall very many gay males in live action shows, maybe in a gay-centric show like Queer as Folk? But I recall more bisexual female characters in shows growing up, it was safe, like the woman in House. I admit I don't pay much attention, though. There was also Tracer in Overwatch(canonical lesbian before Soldier 76 iirc) but she came way later. additionally, In my experience, all the fujos who claimed to hate characters like Misa and Sakura just ended up admitting being misogynistic and becoming trans anyways. It's definitely not uncommon for fujos to hate those characters though, at least in my anecdotal experience.

No. 1963944

>>1963943
but doesnt everyone hate sakura? like i dont know everyone just seems to hate her even though i don't even think shes that bad of a character.

No. 1963945

>>1963907
No she’s dead like almost every other character yet that doesn’t stop fangirls from obsessing over Nanami now does it

No. 1963947

>>1963901
Oh you made me remember the unhinged hate Katara received never made sense
I pin it on fujos because it was my first time seeing “omg shes in the way if my gay babies!!!” Attitude

No. 1963952

>>1963947
Katara is so boring though. Even if her blood bending episode is my favourite, every other female character out-shines her.

No. 1963954

>>1963945
I guess, Nanami felt like he had a finished character arc, though.
I'll admit, I expected her to come back for the first year or so because she felt unfinished but, my hopes just aren't there anymore.

No. 1963956

>>1963945
>Fangirls care more about the character they are sexually attracted to
This is news?

No. 1963961

>>1963945
nanami is also fucking fugly. why are jjk men so hyped when only gojo looks decent???

No. 1963962

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>>1963952
I dont hate Katara, but the Southern Raiders episode made me realize that if Katara was a real person, me and her probably wouldn't be close friends. She really stood there and went on about how her mother's murder impacted her life, and just walked away without killing Yon Rha. It's guess it's cool that Katara didn't want to be a murderer but if I found the man who murdered a beloved parent in cold blood, I 100% would have killed him. Plus, I don't like the portrayal of bloodbending as entirely bad. Katara could have had an arc where she realized that bloodbending wasn't inherently evil, and can be used for good like bloodbending the shit out of combustion man or Azula or something. Like Zuko, Katara could have reached the realization that no form of bending is inherently evil just because evil people use it. But nope. The writers wanted Katara to be more of this goodie two shoes girl who went on to straight up ban bloodbending in Legend of Korra.

No. 1963966

>>1963961
They look like generic shonen protagonists. I dont get the appeal either, it's like bleach or fairy tail characters to me. Men just arent that good designing male characters.

No. 1963969

>>1963962
ATLAS could have been so much better if it was an anime instead of a western show aimed at kiddies. I love it but sometimes it feels like the concept didnt reach its full potential.

No. 1963973

>>1963961
I think with Nanami it was more about his character than just straight out looks.
Also his voice, that jp VA gets a lot of work, it's a noticeable growly voice.

No. 1963977

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>>1963969
I agree. I feel like ATLA missed its full potential by being a kid's show, because seeing all the damage and apparent casualties committed by the main characters while they pretend they aren't murderers and would never murder anyone is funny in hindsight. This show really wants us to believe Aang never killed any soldiers when he turned into Koizilla in order for child viewers to not be traumatized kek

No. 1963978

>>1963973
idk his voice sounds alright and his character was ok i guess. i still dont get it, but he was one of the better jjk characters even if that isnt really hard to achieve.

No. 1963979

>>1963962
>>1963969
Did you watch the same episode? She did not forgive the guy who killed her mom. She just didn't want to be a murderer.

No. 1963981

>>1963979
I never said she forgave him, I just mentioned that she didn't want to be a murderer, anon. And I disagree with the episode's depiction of Katara bloodbending being an "evil moment".

No. 1963993

>>1963977
It goes beyond kid shows, In most media the good guys can't kill or injure people too severely, which is a flawed morality. IRL sometimes violence is the only way to stop an abuser. My father once told me a story about my grandfather's town, there was a guy who had a habit of creeping on touching on women and kids and apparently it got really bad but not much could be done, as the law was fairly lenient. So some of my grandfather's friends decided to take action, they went to the guy's home and beat him relentlessly without killing him, told he should never be a sex pest again. After that and all incidents involving that guy stopped. see all the case of Ken McElroy

No. 1963995

I am sad there will never be another ATLAS. Probably for the best considering the social climate tho.

No. 1963996

>>1963961
gojo with his soulless blue eyes is husbandobait and you shouldnt fall for it

No. 1963998

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I usually don't care about yurifags seething because most of the time it's ftms complaining and they are a part of the problem. But I think it's hilarious that even media where it's yuri focused and the only Canon ship is yuri, fujos still manage to coopt it KEK. It shows that it's not just about male characters being written better or having more chemistry with each other.
Fandom spergs go on and on about how progressive and diverse fanfics are, but if the only media we had was fanfic 90% of the leads would be male and the female characters would barely get lines.

No. 1963999

>>1963996
Why does he wear a blindfold? Is he into BDSM? I am not watching shonenshit to find out.

No. 1964000

>>1963998
Most women are straight.

No. 1964002

>>1963998
I hate how people treat shipping like activism

No. 1964004

>>1963999
His blue eyes are too powerful (in a literal sense.)

No. 1964006

>>1963998
they cant stand that theyre fucking lazy and yaoi shippers work harder to make their own content lol. They go as far as to start coping by saying most yaoi looks and is written poorly anyways yet beg for the same fujos to write/draw yuri for them. I'm glad theyre sperging out like this though, will filter a lot of undesirables from the yaoi fandom or peak fujos that are beginning to become annoyed by them (like I was) so by all means i hope they continue complaining.

No. 1964007

>>1964000
Most women also find bi men unattractive.
>>1964002
To be fair fujos do the same shit, but I do think there's something to unpack when even in media where women are well written women still gravitate to writing thinks about two men.

No. 1964011

>>1963998
The sooner these people realize that sexuality is innate for straight people too, the sooner they'll be at peace

No. 1964012

>>1963998
sorry not sorry but the obsessive stoic hot guy pining after the angsty angry autist is way more interesting to me than what is probably the most boring female ship vivinos has ever concocted kek. i've seen people comparing mizua to fucking HOMUMADO as if they're even remotely similar

No. 1964017

>>1964012
They're both cliche ship anon carried by headcanons

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since this is the fandom salt thread, let me say i HATE people woobifying this ship. the whole appeal is that homura is a terribly insane and possessive person, not that they're uwu sapphics

>>1964017
tell me one f/f ship that's similar to homumado in any way that isn't surface level kek. hell give me one m/f or m/m ship

No. 1964022

>>1963998
I don't understand why it's the fault of yaoi fans that yuri is less popular

No. 1964024

>>1963998
I'm actually loving how the fujo community has had enough and is absolutely destroying this asshole in the QRTs instead of playing nice and trying to be politically correct. A line has been crossed.

No. 1964025

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>>1963610
I remember when a friend hated Rangiku because she was "in the middle of her otp while showing her boobs like a whore". Rangiku never let someone touched her.
Misogyny was a hell of a ride back then.

No. 1964026

>>1964022
they need someone to blame rather than themselves for having no creativity.

No. 1964027

>>1963998
also in the case of alien stage it isn't really yuri focused, the pairing these people are whining about had a long kiss scene and a ton of fanservice moments. in comparison the "immaculate doomed yuri" was kind of tame and forgettable

No. 1964029

>>1964022
Seriously. Yaoi and yuri fans aren't interchangeable, even if there's a bit of overlap. Yaoi fans largely aren't going to write yuri ever. Go yell at yuri fans who are too busy whining on Twitter instead of making fan content to pick up the slack

No. 1964031

>>1964020
I know a couple of m/m ships but their source materials are moidy to mention here.
Official bl, there's a few but I think they're too short to compare.

No. 1964032

>>1964029
im surprised they havent gone the AI art/chatGPT route to get their fix since thats what most untalented males in fandoms do

No. 1964033

>>1963883
Nowadays instead of actively hating them they just act like they dont exist. At best they will ship them with another random female character to cancel out the mere idea of her invading one of their gay ships

No. 1964034

>>1964020
I'm talking about the two alien stage ships
>>1964022
I don't get why we can talk about how everyone refuses to write female characters but as soon as it gets to fandom shipping it has to be a problem. I say this as someone who reads yaoi

No. 1964035

>>1964025
>criticizing the coomb8 character who sleeps while groping herself is misogyny
ok

No. 1964038

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>>1964035
NTA but that's not what anon was saying and you know it

No. 1964041

>>1964024
the fujo community is the definition of political correctness and is 50% gender specials. not like yurifags are better cause AGPs coopted their schtick

No. 1964043

>>1964034
>I'm talking about the two alien stage ships
oh yeah. doesn't detract from my point though, one cliche is better than the other to many people (obviously)

No. 1964044

>>1964007
>To be fair fujos do the same shit
Yeah, that's why I said people. I hate when anyone treats shipping like activism

No. 1964046

>>1963998
>It shows that it's not just about male characters being written better or having more chemistry with each other.
True. I always see the cope that its just about how female characters are always poorly written so "o-of course we latch onto the amazingly written male characters that actually have EFFORT put into them!"…. no. The reality is that you could put two bland pieces of bread in a show, say they're male, and the fandom will still give them more focus and attention over any female existence in any media. This is why most popular media will always have male protagonists and women as background props. Both men and women want that.

No. 1964048

>>1964025
Kubo has the worst fucking female designs ever because all he does is think about his dick when drawing them

No. 1964052

>>1964046
exactly the most popular ship tag on AO3 are two harry potter characters that barely got written. Can we just be honest about the fact that both women and men see male characters as inherently better.

No. 1964056

zzzz more fujo talk

>>1963969
show
show, japan

No. 1964057

>>1963998
But do these complainers ever actually write or draw? Are they the ones actually making the art and fic, or do they just whine that no one is shoveling free content tailored to their exact tastes down their throat?

No. 1964060

>>1964057
they would rather just complain that no one cares instead of just staying in their own lanes, accepting that no one cares about yuri as much as they do, and start cooking to feed themselves. I became attracted to yaoi because of the amount of content I saw from amazing artists. I get put off by yuri fags because almost every post i see from them is complaints about not being popular. Who would want to cater to such people?

No. 1964061

>>1964052
>the most popular ship tag on AO3 are two harry potter characters that barely got written
This will always make me laugh. How bizarre.

No. 1964064

>>1964046
And what retard is going to watch two pieces of bread on screen unless they have a distinct or memorable humour, voice and design?

No. 1964066

>>1964046
>male ships always get more attention
the existence of dungeon meshi, currently wildly popular, proves you wrong though…marcille and farlin has always been the biggest pairing, then maybe marcille and laios, and finally mithrun and kabru. it seems m/m is now slightly overtaking f/f but those majorly aren't male-focused fic, the homo stuff is just in the background as a one off mention.

>This is why most popular media will always have male protagonists and women as background props.

plenty of popular shows have female protags and are popular with men and women.

all this >>1963998 really proves is that fujos are actually willing to create content for a ship. for every yurifag that goes "baawwww why isn't there more yuri!?" there are like ten fujos writing, drawing, etc. for the things they like. and tbh, like i said earlier with dunmeshi, they might not even be m/m exclusive stories

No. 1964068

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>>1964064
>shipping two pieces of bread
Well people are already making "hot" fanart and shipping actual letters from that Alphabet lore webseries.

No. 1964070

>>1964064
m/m shippers don't need most of that, they have the power of delusional headcanons on their side

No. 1964071

>>1964070
based delulu fujos(learn2integrate)

No. 1964072

>>1964070
This. An m/m ship fandom comes out of basically any series that has two men speaking to eachother (or sometimes just two men existing). If yurifags can't use their imaginations to their fullest extent to make their own food, that's their own problem

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>>1964064
I mean the existance of country humans kinda shows that there are a lot of retards running around.

No. 1964075

Don't have much of a dog in this fight but at the end of the day the solution is to be the change you want to see. Yes you can be mad or upset or whatever but you should channel that frustration into something productive instead of just bitching and hoping somebody solves your problem some day. If fujos are morons who put males on a pedestal, then prove them wrong. As if we needed the umpteenth infight…
t. drawing and writing the m/f content I want to see

No. 1964077

>>1963998
Fun fact: the most kudo'd fic the pairing people are complaining about where it isn't a side ship has only 76 kudos. No one's reading or making anything, yurifags don't do shit aside from trying to pin everything on fujos.

No. 1964088

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>>1964070
Then where tf is it? I've had picrel as my otp for months

No. 1964090

>>1964088
Make bread gijinka yaoi. Live your dreams. Sourdough x Rye

No. 1964091

>>1964075
that's the obvious thing one should do, idk why anons like to argue in circles

>>1964088
ily nona

No. 1964094

>>1964090
Is butter the lube?

No. 1964097

>>1964075
Based, I draw the yaoi and yuri that I like instead of complaining that nobody is making what I want. Seems annoying to spend so much energy complaining about something when you don't make any contributions to begin with.

No. 1964098

>>1964094
NTA but that's super vanilla why can't it be something like finger lime marmalade

No. 1964100

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the sheer amount of dedication from one user scares the yurifag

No. 1964101

>>1964088
Be the change that you want to see and make your own content dumbass

No. 1964110

Everyone saying "duh most women are straight" is obviously correct but the reason these twitter users jump to all of their goofy ass conclusions about misogyny is because the vast majority of these terminally online people claim to be bi. Most of the fanfic writers I enjoy the works of claim to be bi despite never giving a shit in their life about female characters. Frankly the only reasonable conclusions you can come to are either that the problem is misogyny so even women who are attracted to women can't be assed into caring about them, or the problem is that fandom and the internet is full of women exaggerating the attraction they have to women. It's not PC to try and argue on twitter that people are faking their sexuality, hence the misogyny argument has taken off. I honestly think it's kinda funny watching a bunch of these fujos try and scramble for arguments like "female characters just aren't written as well!" when they wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place if they could just be honest about being straight. I have never given a fuck about yuri in my life, but honestly I can understand the frustration of having to see all these posers retweet and reblog the safest blandest possible girls holding hands fanart saying "wow wow I love girls so much I'm so gay omg hot" only to exclusively make male focused things. If yurifags were complaining about a lack of yuri fanwork without all of these posers around, that would be a different story

No. 1964112

Where did this "lesbians actually enjoy yaoi even more than straight women" thing came from? Not that a lesbian can't enjoy yaoi though.
TBH, It seemed like a way some fujos found to not be bullied for enjoying yaoi while the annoying part of the internet decided that the genre was stinky and fetishistic, but I would like to hear your opinions too.

No. 1964113

>>1964112
yep it was cope TIFs made when fandom eventually started turning the tide towards hating yaoi shippers again. also a way for "lesbians" suffering from "comphet" to explain why they masturbate to yaoi and have fantasies involiving anime boys having sex.

No. 1964114

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>>1964098
I guess butter is for the babybitch bread slices that aren't into the spicier bread sex

No. 1964115

>>1964110
>or the problem is that fandom and the internet is full of women exaggerating the attraction they have to women
it is EXACTLY this. being a lesbian that talks about how much she loves girls all day long gives you bonus points in modern fandom/social media. its a shame yurifags didnt filter these people out before it got to this point but thats what things have become.

No. 1964124

>>1964115
how would you filter them? imo yurifags were doomed from the start, the space would still be filled with moids (agp troons especially) but the new wave of queer = cool in fandom only added to the problem because now you have a bunch of bihets who think cottagecore is the pinnacle of homosexuality. actual SSA women are pretty much always going to be the minority in yuri spaces no matter what

>>1964112
this only cropped up because people in fandom can't defend anything unless they can frame it in a woke/progressive way. they joke about fetishizing men 24/7 but think straight women being into yaoi can still be problematic so they latched onto it. not to mention the whole "lesbians can be obsessed with men and still be lesbians" thing so you also have bisexual fujos larping as lesbians pushing this. lesbians can be fujos but i don't think there's any reason to believe they're the majority

No. 1964128

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>>1959958
The other day I discovered the marx x engels ship. It was so hilarious that I even made pic related a whatsapp sticker to pest my friends kek

No. 1964129

>>1964110
>when they wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place if they could just be honest about being straight.
>reblog the safest blandest possible girls holding hands fanart saying "wow wow I love girls so much I'm so gay omg hot" only to exclusively make male focused things
I hate how true this is. Most of these fandom "bis/lesbians" are just regular straight women who overexaggerate how much they LUUHV WOMEN but spend all their energy and time on men. At best you'll get the token lesbian headcanon for a female character post but thats it. To be confronted with that truth is what has them all seething.

No. 1964134

>>1964128
I love this, nonnie.

No. 1964139

>>1964137
Because everything that could have been said has already been said and we just rehash the same convo over and over

No. 1964141

ow that anon deleted before i could finish my reply. but i am so tired of fujo/yaoi discussions, is it everything fandom has to offer? yumes vs himes, yaoi as feminism activism, yaoi and porn brainrot, now yaoi vs yuri… it's like a time loop.

No. 1964144

>>1964128
This is hilarious.

No. 1964145

>>1963961
Nanami has a nice voice. He's also tall. I want someone to tie him up and dominate him. It's what he deserves.

No. 1964146

>>1963969
I agree with you. There was a lot of dark themes in ATLA, but most was simply hinted because it was sadly aimed at kids and younger teens.

>>1963962
I would have absolutely annihilated the man who killed my mother if I found him. Blood bending is cool af

No. 1964148

>>1963907
I feel like the mangaka forgot about Nobara, legit. it's so annoying. She was a pretty decent character and he just offed her, but she wasnt dead dead, yet we never see her again after that arc. I honestly hate JJK. I only read doujins now for my husbando bullshit. I shipped Nobara with Maki, but that's another story.

No. 1964150

>>1963610
I've only ever known women to like Misa, Sakura, Mikasa, etc. I liked Mikasa a lot because I wanted to be her. She was a gorgeous muscular goddess who wasted her time simpin for Eren, but otherall, i really enjoyed Mikasa. I actually only see moids hating half these characters.

No. 1964152

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>>1963692
I wanted to be Mikasa.

No. 1964153

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>>1964048
Are you surprised he didn't draw with his dick?

No. 1964159

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>>1964100
>1032 SKK fics.

No. 1964162

>>1964088
Slice x Slice is literal incest you disgusting fuck. Loaf x Slice is the superior ship

No. 1964168

>>1964141
it would probably stop if yurifags stopped making it a monthly circlejerk lmao

No. 1964170

>>1964048
I agree with you 100 percent.

No. 1964171

>>1964153
The fact that zoomer gendies reacted so badly to MHA drawing a bikini clad character when millennials had to suffer through this kind of shit is wild.

No. 1964182

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>>1964171
Sometimes I think certain manga/anime were published at the correct time. I can already imagine zoomer gendies saying that Ichigo is 15 years old and Hitsugaya is literally a child.

No. 1964185

>>1964148
Iirc nobara was only added because of Jump mandating the 2 boys 1 girl trio for JJK. When the manga got big enough, Gege killed her off because of that. He didn't intend to write her from the start

No. 1964198

>>1964182
This picture just highlights how Bleach men were drawn so much better than the women. Sad, but so many shonenshit suffer from this. I was such a big Hitsugaya fan back in 2006

No. 1964200

>>1964185
I believe it. Makes me think of how Sakura was literally drawn aside after a while and given zero character development despite having actual potential when she worked with Tsunade.

No. 1964201

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>>1964198
I loved Gin.

No. 1964204

>>1964201
Based.

No. 1964205

Why do so many people like Hazbin Hotel? I never watched an episode, so I can't judge it from that, but the art design looks so awful, but for some reason so many friends from college my age are into it? I can't get it. What the hell is it even about and what makes it so appealing to older zoomers and millennials?

No. 1964215

>>1964205
either it has shit in it that people simply enjoy or it's different in a flashy way compared to its western animation contemporaries, choose your poison. I've watched it, and it was fine, nothing amazing but also not an actual trainwreck like many expected/hoped. It's not something I'd ever latch on to, but I can see why others would (tbh it has a lot more going for it even just in terms of fandom fuel than a lot of other more recent popular cartoons, which were also meant for kids). I wonder if it would have been as popular if it had come out during the 2000s or something though

No. 1964217

>>1964162
What the fuck that's even worse because of the age gap you sicko, raisin toast x slice is the true superior one.

No. 1964224

>>1964205
people like animated shows, especially ones for adults, and it is a very easy, no brainer watch. there are catchy songs they can stream and there is little to no plot to follow, while pretending there is, so it lets them put it on while they do homework or cook and passively watch while still understanding the basic hell = bad but heaven also = bad point of the show.

No. 1964225

>>1964205
I tried watching it and it felt fine, but I didn't feel it. It's the same case with Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Owl House, Cat bee thing, I can understand that it appeals to other people but I can't understand the appeal myself.

No. 1964231

>>1964148
I'd be a yurifag if it was a manga about Maki and eyepatch Nobora

No. 1964236

>>1964171
tbh I don't get complaining about either that much, even as a thirteen year old I knew Bleach was for teenage boys and character designs would reflect that, so I didn't care about the female characters breasting boobily across the screen/page every now and then. Then again, I had about as big of a crush on Yoruichi as any of the male characters I liked so maybe that had something to do with it kek

>>1964182
The teenage MHA characters feel younger though due to their designs and behaviour in comparison to the same-aged characters in Bleach, who are more of a 'young adult' take on teenagers, so I wonder if it would be quite as bad.

No. 1964242

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>>1964236
I think the zoomers would have found the problematic stuff in Bleach even more problematic. The Ichiruki/IchiOri ship war, Hitsugaya ships even if he's a dead kid, Hinamori's crush on Aizen, Rangiku being called "whore" because her breasts… And let's not mention all the lolcows back then.

Dammit, I feel old by just reminder these stuff.

No. 1964246

>>1964242
Yeah fair. I'm sure they would've had a meltdown over Yumichika saying TIM character smelt like semen (or whatever the quote was) kek

No. 1964250

>>1964246
There are so many characters in Bleach that would be a big "gender opening" to these people, Yumichika and Szayelaporro Granz by sample.

No. 1964264

>>1964031
its griffith/guts from berserk isn't it

No. 1964269

>>1964012
I think people are also missing that shippers gravitate towards specific tropes. It's ironic, but canon, emotionally uncomplicated, reciprocated romance tends to bore shippers because they thrive on drama and conflict. If there's no emotional complication within the relationship (only external factors keep them apart), then fandom is much less likely to go nuts over it. Mizisua could have been more interesting if they'd hammered home the idea that Sua sacrificed herself to make herself "immortal" to Mizi (in a selfish, possessive way, which Ivan criticized her for), people would probably be more invested.
>>1964020
The woobification of Madohomu has been so evil. I don't understand why people even want them to be boring and safe considering the yuri landscape has been dominated by CGDCT-style high school fluff for ages. I can't really think of many ships that have a similar dynamic that is explored in as much depth, especially not within the F/F realm. Something like Utenanthy has some overlap in terms of unhealthy devotion, but it doesn't quite fit the same tropes.

No. 1964295

>>1963998
This is just because Vivinos mostly appeals to women (she did even before Alien Stage with her creepy cute music videos), and fanfiction sites do too. The reality is that the majority of people are heterosexual no matter how the internet tries to spin it. Even here, a women site, sexualizing a woman is eww yucky but every other thread is cooming over the blandest moids possible or sperging about yaoi. Lesbian nonnas are a tiny minority.

If you check a male dominated fandom, you're going to see the same concept but in reverse. Men are visual coomers and don't write fanfiction, but the fanart tags must look something like this but with yuri instead of yaoi. It's not that deep.

No. 1964306

>>1963883
Legit the only ones I've seen hyping up female characters in JJK were women, including fujoshi.

No. 1964315

>>1964145
Nanami is a gentleman and wouldn't do that, he's too vanilla for any of that.

No. 1964330

>>1964315
kek honestly I wish I saw more 'vanilla' headcanons for characters, I'm so tired of everything being kink-related in an often extreme or niche way (some fandoms/ships are worse for this than others). Kinda goes hand in hand with, for example, writing any male character as a generic possessive dom, regardless of canon personality.

Not saying people writing or reading kinky smut is bad or anything either btw, rather I am but a simple autist who has trouble buying that 95% of these characters would be into some of this stuff or behave the way they're portrayed, which ruins it for me kek

No. 1964337

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>>1963883
Why are only fujos accused of misogyny? Don't straight shippers do the same thing? I am not very much into shonenshit but shippers that like Hinata, Historia, Orihime, etc would shit on shippers that like Sakura, Mikasa, Rukia, and vice-versa. Even though these characters aren't in conflict for the MC's dick and are friendly with each other. Many otome isekai manhwa/shojosei manga also have a designated, cartoonishly evil female character that exists only to serve as the author's punching bag. So maybe it's just me but I find it strange that this discussion about misogyny is only centred around fujos.

No. 1964342

>>1964337
Male shonentards arguing over the canon pairings in Naruto and Bleach will always be way more cancerous than the fujoshi minding their own business and drawing sasunaru fanart.

No. 1964348

>>1963962
Aang was done even worse with his sudden refusal to kill the fire lord when he killed hundreds of soldiers without thinking the entire series

No. 1964349

>>1964337
Because no one cares about hets. Het women can write f/m because they experiences that so you can't say it's fetishizing an identity, but m/m is pure fantasy. And it is true that in a lot of fandom spaces m/m is the most popular, so that becomes the primary target. At the same time a lot of het fujos say they are bi or lesbian to defend themselves from fetishization allegations which leads to this weird situation where you'd expect more f/f content but don't get it because no one is actually attracted to women kek


>>1964046
I don't think that's completely true. Even with gachashit mixed ones like Limbus Company had a substantial amount of women who enjoyed the female characters because they were written the same as the men (at least they were liked before the studio turned out to be deeply misogynistic irl). Their designs weren't sexualized, they had strong personalities and important roles and it lead to a lot of f/f shipping because there was something to work with. In cases where fujos obsess over two bland side characters it's usually just because they are attractive, that's it. I don't know why himes don't develop similarly silly obsessions though.

No. 1964352

>>1964348
Now I wish ATLA was made for older audiences. I wanna see the kids kill soldiers and deadly war criminals. They did Kyoshi wrong by making her murder a stupid accident.

No. 1964357

>>1964337
het shippers do as much character bashing as fujos. it's extremely common for people who ship non-canon pairings to bash the canon gf. people who ship harry and hermione bashed gunny, zutara shippers bash mai etc. yeah fujos do it but it's a problem with all shippers in general. people just love to hate in fujos.
>>1963998
hinestly the people who screech about there lot being enough yuri reek of entitlement. i like femslash but demanding fujos stop doing their thing to write it is ridiculous. fanfic writers do it out of their free tipe without compensation, you don't get to make demands of them. no one forces you to read shit you din't like and no one is obligated to write the kind of content you want to see.
if i went around demanding zutara shippers stop writing the fandom's most popular pairing and start writing azula/katara instead because it's underrepresented, i doubt people would react well

No. 1964374

>>1964052
Wait who? I thought drarry is still the most written harry potter pairing

No. 1964378

I wonder if one of the issues is how a lot of yuri (obviously not all) just doesn't have as much of a light/dark dynamic feel. Not saying it necessarily has to be edgy, but a lot of yuri tend to stay on one side or the other. This can also be with individual characters as well. When there's no gap, then there's nothing to dig into.
Madoka and Homura work well in part because of how strong that vibe is, no?

No. 1964406

>>1964337
Fujos get accused of everything wrong in the world because they're not creating heterosexual content and that's the end of it, no matter how much people try to go around it that's the quiet part they're not saying out loud. Men can hate a female character all they want and nobody minds because rational sex I guess, and hetshipping women and yumes get to scream their heads off at some 2D homewrecking whore taking away their husbando but that's just understandable behavior, right. But fujos not giving attention to your waifu and instead drawing only writing m/m fics? That's peak misogyny right there. It's exhausting to watch this shit go down when everyone knows the "misogyny" fujos get put on the spot for is just the straight version of "fetishization" accusations he/they Aidens threw at them a few years back, and while this goes on some mentally ill yume wants to ruin an entire company because they made her husbando talk to another female character, a psycho incel doxxes female artists because of a hand sign or because a female character had a square shaped jaw and autistic himejos reply bomb people to sperg about their cottagecore sisterhood/mommydom coomship having three fics less on Ao3 than the popular m/m ship of the fandom because it's a retarded zero sum game about numbers to them and not a genuine interest. Misogyny is just another entry on the long laundry list of things that fujos are accused of, in 3 years it will be something else. The core issue will always be women having a very active community full of creative individuals making endless amounts of content about a niche topic most people find unattractive, that's why they've been demonized and hounded since the 80's but always saving franchise after franchise because of their massive creative power. Turns out, when no official series are pandering to you proper you actually have to pick up the pen and do it yourself instead of throwing tantrums about it.

No. 1964460

>>1964295
>Even here, a women site, sexualizing a woman is eww yucky but every other thread is cooming over the blandest moids possible or sperging about yaoi. Lesbian nonnas are a tiny minority.
I know I refrained from making actually lewd comments about my waifus or other hot female characters in the past because I wouldn't want to be called a scrote or possibly make other women uncomfortable.
Yeah, it sounds stupid, but I wonder if I'm not alone in this lmao.

Anyewy, I think this is also part of why the slash fandom is so big. For every fujo TIF there are just as many regular basic bitch straight fujos AND yumes who aren't misogynists but are simply left embarrassed or uncomfortable by sexualizing female characters in ways that aren't lingerie catalogues… because they're straight.
This kind of repulsion is completely expected of straight and gay men in fandom but women online have been like brainwashed into repressing their natural-born shame, repulsion, embarrassment, you name it, towards seeing their own sex/the sex they're not attracted to in the kind of lewd and embarrassing situations you see in porn.
Tangentially related, lesbians in fandom are expected to love dick so they're not free from this shit either.
It's like women's comfort is the last thing fandoms at large want to care for.

No. 1964476

>>1964374
Wolfstar. It somehow blew up with the Tiktok zoomers

>>1964406
>Misogyny is just another entry on the long laundry list of things that fujos are accused of, in 3 years it will be something else.
Take your bets on what the next accusation is gonna be. Mine is that fujos and BL are transphobic/cissexist because 99% of it is about biological males. It's already happening when fujos fight against the gayden fetishization arguments by saying they don't care about kindaters with neopronouns so I wouldn't be surprised if it catches on.

No. 1964518

>>1964025
this is one of the worst designs i have ever seen in my life

No. 1964523

>>1964046
am i going insane? we are talking about shipping, stuff women write because it makes them horny. Ofcourse straight women aren't going to write yuri shipping fics, they are straight. Who the fuck is looking for well written female characters in shipping fics anyways.

No. 1964534

>>1964523
Exactly kek the males aren't written well either, they are just easy to fantasize about. I guess it's difficult for people to say that they don't want to write about/draw women they don't want to fuck because it sounds too shallow and someone will make it out to be a bad thing

No. 1964541

>>1964476
Next they'll inquire if your yaois come from queer-owned yaoi mines and that if they're processed in queer-owned yaoi labs.

No. 1964542

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Reminder that this exact same ass discourse went down last August and it was driven by TIMs so these are the people all the "reee needs more yurifics stop centering male characters" posters are lying in bed with.

No. 1964551

>>1964460
Not in a lewd way, but I do avoid talking about female characters I like because regardless of their source material somebody will probably have something to say about them not being good enough and I don't want to have to waste my time trying to defend why I think a female character has depth and isn't just anime coombait.

No. 1964553

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>>1964476
>Mine is that fujos and BL are transphobic/cissexist
Already happening, just not even limited to Gaydens.

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No. 1964560

>>1964542
Men don't need to write their own fanfiction and draw their own art because they already get pandered to in every videogame/anime.

No. 1964565

>>1964553
>>1964554
This is just older than time itself homophobic incel rhetoric repeating "how dare women objectify men and make us look vulnerable" but just pretending as if they're an oppressed subgroup of women. I wonder how far they can push this until most people mass peak and snap because no average 25+ woman believes this shit even if they want to be nice to troons, at least all the he/they fujoaidens can reverse uno the transphobia accusations from all the transbians. Talk to one behind the scenes in trusted company and they'll reveal that they think trannies like this are insane and have true malebrained entitlement issues.

But honestly, imagine being so deeply narcissistic you can claim that characters from BL are "appropriating transfem bodies" with a straight face. No Lilith, your 6foot plus body in all its caveman hon-ness didn't inspire a soft yaoi twink. And you know it as much as I do.

No. 1964567

>>1964542
you know most of the ppl screeching about hiw they're owed yuri fic aren't even lesbians. it's mostly either coomer trannoods with a lesbian fetish or more likely spicy straight girls desperate to look woke who wouldn't touch a pussy irl if you put a gun to their head.
despite all the reeeeing the f/f never gets written bc most of these people aren't even interested in femslash for its own sake, they just want to moralfag

No. 1964573

>>1964565
>No Lilith, your 6foot plus body in all its caveman hon-ness didn't inspire a soft yaoi twink. And you know it as much as I do.
kek. They genuinely think anyone is fetishizing their skinny fat body with gross blemishes from never exfoliating and skid marks from never washing their ass. They will never be animu boys.

No. 1964581

>>1964553
KEKK it's literally only delusional TIMs and TIFs who think they're the object of people's fantasies. Actual gay men rarely give a shit about BL and of all people you'd think they'd have the most claim to it. This whole rant plus the f/f complaining are TIM planted psyops to take down yaoi masquerading as some woke struggle when they just don't want to see men; they're no different from autistic basement dwellers trying to maintain their waifu's purity by ridding series of male characters.

No. 1964582

>>1964553
A tranny who ships Fbyleth/Edelgard saying this… The jokes are writing themselves.

No. 1964591

can this fujo discourse please just end already? its getting boring..

No. 1964592

>>1964553
>>1964554
I would take a thousand Aiden top surgery fanarts over having to read a single pseudointellectual yuritranny post. The thought of your balding AGP ass does not cross the mind of any fujo

No. 1964634

>>1964553
Isn't this just the arguments used here a lot, except with the word trans attached?

No. 1964653

>>1964634
Makes you think, doesn't it?

No. 1964658

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>>1964634
Yes kek that's why people say anti-fujo arguments are terfy. But you can always find people in different groups that hold the same opinions, it's not like it's a widely shared belief

No. 1964678

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>>1964542
>>1964553
>>1964554
Troon moment. Look at them complain about het for women too…
And when yuri fics don't have dicks, they piss, shit and cry about it. Their narcissism is off the charts.

No. 1964696

can we please end the fujo discussion already, I don't know if it's one genuine troll looking for engagement, but it's literally the same arguments again and again and again, I'm fucking sick it, just end it already.

No. 1964699

>>1964337
honestly before I started reading Naruto on my own I saw moids always talk shit about Sakura while propping up Hinata. I was expecting to see Hinata a lot more than I have so far (im in the 300s currently). So far Sakura has been absolutely nothing like they've kept complaining about with her and has been a great asset to the cast as a whole.

No. 1964701

>>1964581
kekkkk fr. ive always gotten yaoi recs like banana fish or even fujo friendly anime like Haikyuu and Yuri on Ice recommended to me by my gay male friends. The only people that literally get their panties in a twist over yaoi are TIMs and pickme TIFs.

No. 1964703

>>1964591
>dont talk about common fandom discourse in the fandom discourse thread
ignore the posts if you dont like it

No. 1964704

>>1964703
just report her for minimodding/derailing. Autists that think the thread should only talk about things they like are obnoxious.

No. 1964707

>>1964703
nta but these three posts >>1964542, >>1964553, >>1964658 are all from years back and again are either posted as bait or some form of deeply held grudge.(derailing)

No. 1964710

>>1964707
Kek I didnt even notice that sperg was post screenshots from YEARS ago

No. 1964711

>>1964707
They're related to the current ongoing discourse being discussed in the thread, idiot.

No. 1964720

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>find female character i really like
>she's also popular with troons and/or coomer moids.
every.single.time. Just leave them alone man, i already rarely find female characters i love, why do i gotta share them with trannoid scrotes. THEY WILL NEVER BE HER.

No. 1964722

>>1964711
no they aren't, I think they were posted to get a specif reaction and discussion going.(derailing)

No. 1964724

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>>1964720
now I know how straight moids feel when they see yaoi of their favorite male characters. seeing a female character with a dick or top scars gives me the same visceral reaction.

No. 1964725

the yurifag trannies and bi women larping as lesbians are the same ones writing f/f fics or creating f/f art where they give one a penis or straight up turn them into a tranny. they complain about male centredness whilst being apart of the problem themselves. idk how its possible to lack so much self awareness. what are you even complaining about really, you might as well ship straight people when you do all that.

No. 1964726

>>1964722
What the hell are you talking about? They're very closely related and brought as talking points regarding the discourse about entitled yurifags, majority of them trannies, demanding fujos to start writing for them or else they're misogynists, and used as receipts to show how this has been a long time coming issue. If you don't like trannies being called out for being narcissistic in fandom spaces then maybe browse other threads for the time being.

No. 1964729

>>1964725
>you might as well ship straight people when you do all that.
They do that and then cry "bi erasure" when someone calls them straight ships.

No. 1964733

>>1964725
the denial of reality makes them spergout. im just gonna assume the monthly spergouts on twitter is because they have a dose of reality that theyre literally trying to center lesbianism around men and instead of coming to terms with that they lash out and blame others, like any delusional person would.

No. 1964760

>>1964725
>you might as well ship straight people when you do all that.
Same applies for bl omegaverse slop

No. 1964776

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>>1964707
I feel like that yaoi being the centerpiece of this sort of caps or discourse is the wrong way to look at it. Today it's yaoi, tomorrow it's het for women with like × reader fics, and the day after tomorrow is dickless yuri written mostly by lesbians.

And if it's a baiter, what can se do? Nothing has provoked the desired reaction so far because everyone unites under hating egocentric troons.

No. 1964778

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>>1960183
I mean… we all have a couple of incest ships especially if you’ve been on the internet a while but I categorise them differently to my regular ships and I like them for different reasons. If one of my normal ships was suddenly revealed to be brothers I would still have every right to be annoyed simply because it upheaves a bunch of my pre-existing headcanons and the dynamic I’ve spent years establishing. So yeah, I too would pretend that shit doesn’t exist.

No. 1964787

>>1964729
NTA, but I think it's funny that "bi-erasure" is even a term in fandoms when 90% of the time, a character is "bisexual" because the fans themselves just headcanoned it, not because the character actually is.

No. 1964796

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the whole discourse over yaoi and yuri is weird to me to begin with because of the whole complaint of "they only talked to each other for 5 seconds compared to this ship that shared 20 eps together so why are there more fics??" Seems like people nowadays have an issue with just being creative/free enough to just write whatever they want whether it goes against canon or not.

I guess im used to fandoms that would create personalities for side characters just for ships/dynamics exploration (Matt and Mello from death note) or fandoms where fanon completely takes over the source material (the onceler).

No. 1964799

>>1964787
to me its even weirder since most bi girls online call themselves lesbians/gay as a trend. theyre quite literally erasing themselves lol

No. 1964892

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>>1964007
> there's something to unpack when even in media where women are well written women still gravitate to writing thinks about two men.

You’ve 100% accidentally hit the nail on the head on what pisses me off so much about this yurifag discourse. And I’m not on your side here, nona.

The only ‘problem’ here is a fundamental misunderstanding yuri fans have, one which they don’t even realise that they have. Straight women like and admire other women, (of course), but are exclusively attracted to men. However, lesbians both like women and are attracted to them. Hence, yuri fans can’t even comprehend the fact that there’s a distinction between liking a character in a platonic way and wanting to fuck them, because they’re always gorging on soft core lesbian bait media even when they’re not explicitly horny. To them, it’s just background noise. That distinction between liking a certain gender and wanting to fuck a different gender simply doesn’t exist in their brains.

That’s why, when straight women say that they LIKE female centric media but that they consume more male centric media (yaoi) because they want to fuck men, the yuri brain cannot even begin to comprehend it— who, what, how, or, most crucially, why…? Surely, the yuri brain supposes, if you don’t enjoy watching women hugging, kissing, and having sex, then you must not like women at all! How can you like women if you don’t want to fuck them too?! Hence the misogyny accusations, the lesbophobia accusations, the self-hating misogynist accusations. All a load of bull crap stemming from this one core misunderstanding between two different sides of female fandom.

So, no, nonnie. No, there’s really not much to unpack here at all!(derailing/infighting)

No. 1964907

>>1964892
I am pretty sure the only people parroting this are TIMs, faux bisexual pickmes and anti-fujos like the ones in itt. It just feels like bad faith argument to hate on something they dislike purely for selfish, entitled reasons.

No. 1964920

>>1964799
Most bi erasure in my experience is perpetuated by bisexuals themselves.

No. 1964928

>>1964892
Did you have to attach this gross coomer scrote pic? Get that shit out of here

No. 1964932

>>1964928
Picrel is what your average twitter yurifag is into and is trying to pressure other women into liking

No. 1964950

>>1964932
Dont care, dont post that shit here(infighting)

No. 1964954

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>>1964892
so basically that means this entire discourse boils down to lesbians/troons not understanding that most women are attracted to biological men, am i reading this right? So basically this discourse is fucking retarded and not worth thinking about anymore.

No. 1964965

>>1963088
Women in some American states now have to carry their rapists' babies to term, but lets spend our finite headspace seething about autistic girls who like cartoon gay guys. A+ priorities.

No. 1964975

>>1964965
and these people have the nerve to respond to others talking about "people are dying Kim". the absolutely retarded pornfried brains these troons have is truly something to study.

No. 1964984

>>1963610
Nancy doesn't get much hate in my experience. The only thing I see her get criticized for is cheating on Steve.

No. 1964989

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This conversation is so tiring…

No. 1964990

>>1964954
Yes and yes.

No. 1964997

>>1964954
Not really but the haughty anon you're replying to is trying to simplify it as that

No. 1965010

>>1964984
I didnt even know people hated Nancy? I mainly saw her being shipped with Robin

No. 1965055

>>1964110
You're so right anon and I salute you for it. You really hit the bullseye

No. 1965069

>>1964110
I love how the fujos conveniently ignored this point kek, really goes to show no one actually gives a damn about honest discussion

No. 1965073

>>1964892
That picrel is exactly why I can't stand yuri as a lesbian. Vomit-inducing.

No. 1965089

I think we can at least all agree on one thing. Being annoyed by a character being made trans or "x is female here" in your fics.

No. 1965099

Good christ Vtuber drama is so boring and meaningless, it's literally mentally ill 20somethings being mentally ill BPD-chans at each other and petty influencer bullshit. I have no idea how people find this shit engaging, I've tried listening to vtuber drama videos as background noise entertainment but they're so fucking boring. There are no stakes at all and it all affects just a very small group of people, yet the community in question act like it's a huge fucking deal. This is the kind of shit you keep in group chat private messages, not air out on social media.

No. 1965105

>>1964954
You're right. I'm starting to feel like some people see drama as a mindless hobby with the way the same meaningless things get brought up once every few months for no reason. In the end no one who prefers yaoi is going to stop consuming it just because some people complain about what, having to share the internet?

No. 1965116

>>1965099
To be fair that's because the drama vtuber channels don't have enough content to work with so they'll make a 2 hour long saga on any vtuber with 2 whole followers that tried to send a dickpick.

No. 1965119

>>1964553
>>1964554
I don't know about BL but this was a persistent issue I did see in OUAT and Supergirl fandom, just like how one character is feminized, in GL shipping it seemed very common that one of the pairing would be masculined and often have some convenient excuse to have PIV sex(super science or magic)

No. 1965120

>>1963969
what? going more adult would only expose the limitations of the worldbuilding and premise, it's fun as is.

No. 1965122

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>>1965099
ngl some of the drama is funny as shit as like that one moid vtuber who got outed as being transphobic (based) and having a sugar mommy go nuclear on him and ruining his career kek or the vtuber who literally slept with her company's manager and drank urine for views its so unhinged its funny although some drama is just bpdchans being bpdchans

No. 1965125

>>1964796
Me too. While I do care for canon, I would be lying if I said I didn't like some crackships. If they develop the ship and maintain them somehow believable, then I don't mind. I might be a hypocrite because I care about canon, but I still think you can develop a crackship or an undeveloped character and maintain the setting and feeling for the media. Simply writing the canon pairing won't necessarily mean it's well written. I'll take a well developed crackship over lazy ooc canon pairing any day.

No. 1965147

>>1965125
crackships that are somehow thought-out and sturdy enough to feel almost like canon but are still batshit in concept are some of my favourites, though it's usually down to the skill of the writer/artist than necessarily the ship itself.

Sometimes obvious ships or canon pairings breed the most paint-by-numbers content, but I guess that's part of the appeal to some of their fans, they're not really looking for something uniquely interesting and specific to those characters, but a vehicle for their broader interests (I know it could be argued all shipping is this, but imo this stuff often feels like it's less about being a fan of something and exploring that and more just reskinning popular romance tropes)

No. 1965150

>>1965122
whose the transphobic vtuber? been looking around for transphobic and TERFy vtubers that dont spread gendie shit but havent found any aside from some hololive girls like Gura.

No. 1965156

>>1965150
Why? Genuine question, because any vtuber who makes being political/edgy/what have you are generally ass. Just go with the ones that straight up don't touch the subject. Which would be the smart thing to do even if they were the biggest TERFs around.

No. 1965159

>>1965150
Pipkin Pippa is probably transphobic. Though as you'd expect she's an edgelord whose fanbase is made up of channers

No. 1965168

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>>1965150
I would recommend tenma more than pippa (although I watch her sometimes as a guilty pleasure when she's not pandering to moids) also tenma literally told troons to rope themselves when the Harry Potter drama happened kek but be warned tenma was a 2ch user as its the case of any phase connect streamer so there's still edge to be found especially lolishit which is weird since she's so openly yume

No. 1965169

>>1965168
>>1965159
NTA but talk about misunderstanding the assignment, anon asks for vtubers who don't spew gender nonsense and you go ahead and recommend literal 4chan pickmes into lolishit.

No. 1965171

>>1965169
I recommended Pippa because she asked for transphobic VTubers specifically. If you simply don't want VTubers that spew gendie shit that's basically every other VTuber or just watch the Japanese ones because they'll avoid any political topics and don't bother virtue signalling.

No. 1965183

Anyone tired of omegaverse stuff? Whether straight or gay, it's such a trite format. Not to talk of the weird animal genitalia thing

No. 1965187

>>1965183
it seems like shit that shouldve stayed in the furry community. I have no idea how it became synonymous with yaoi.

No. 1965208

>>1965183
The fact that its even infected japan enough for an anime to release about it sickens me

No. 1965248

>>1965183
I like my straight omegaverse, it's not like there's tons of it anyway. Besides, even outside of the porn elements (dick gets bigger/mpreg for omegaverse yaoi) I think a lot of people like the soulmate like aspect of it. It also gives you a convenient excuse to make two characters fall in love since you can just say it was pheromones or some shit.
>>1965187
Didn't omegaverse get invented by a Supernatural fanfic writer? Not sure what furries have to do with it.

No. 1965260

>>1965208
I didn't even know there was an anime. I just ran into a doujin featuring it and closed the window half way in.

No. 1965262

>>1965187
Seriously, I hate omegaverse shit with BL.

No. 1965305

>>1965183
I hate how it seems like many official translations for BL manga tend to be for omegaverse stuff in my country. Then publishing companies are saying we should buy books instead of readings scans to support the industry. Everytime I check their social media to see what's going to be released next they'll post a pretty cover and the premise and of course, it's omegaverse more often than not.

No. 1965307

>>1963998
If they used the time they waste complaining to write their own shit instead, they wouldn't have this problem.

No. 1965311

>>1965183
I was just watching this today, and omegaverse seems vile. It just seems like a way to justify rape and abuse by writing about an universe centered around a victim who ackshually likes it because its ingraned in her biology. The fact that BL omegaverse readers were complaining about het omegaverse being way more abusive and disgusting than BL omegaverse was concerning. Why cant these bitches write about a world where men are humans that behave like normal people? I have noticed that het romance/fanfic has been getting more and more abusive through the years. Edgy bad boy nlob is one thing, but these retards are outright lusting after rapists. Fucking vile.

No. 1965313

>>1965311
yeah its weird how many women apparently want to be treated like trash by their husbando?

No. 1965317

>>1965313
I don't get it either, at that point just date a real moid.

No. 1965321

>>1965305
There is a thing called supply and demand. Omegaverse is a very popular yaoi subgenre hence the higher chances of it being sold in stores.
Also there is this one yaoi omegaverse story whoch triggered me so bad that i don't read any omegaverse anymore. Im comvinced that omegaverse is thinly veiled misogyny.

No. 1965323

>>1965317
KEK too real nonny

No. 1965325

>>1965321
omegaverse is the female equivalent of men who are into turbo autistic fetishes like inflation or vore. It's just too retarded.

No. 1965333

>>1965183
As a long time yaoi, yuri and hetero enjoyer I don't fucking get it.
And the lite versions of omegaverse (soul mates, heat periods, what have you) have always been there and don't have the icky shit… so I'm hoping most fans just want to play with silly romance settings where a girl goes in heat or a guy has a tattoo that matches the one of his destined love bond, instead of reading of rape, mpreg, dog dick, what have you.

No. 1965339

>>1964022
Everything is women's fault, apparently.

No. 1965343

>>1963962
I've always liked Katara, but she really needs to be written by a woman. Her character got shortchanged because she had to be the precious mommy madonna at 14 and it only got worse in LOK.
>>1963977
That's kid show logic for you. Drowning an army's worth of nameless goons? Fine. Killing one guy outright? Evil.

No. 1965350

>>1965313
>>1965317
For real. Something actually wrong with them. Half the time they're gendies too

No. 1965360

>>1965069
Are you replying to the right post? Because literally no one denied or ignored anything she ayart had to say. All the replies are agreeing with her.

No. 1965362

>>1965183
I've despised it from the very beginning. It's heteronormative and it's based on bogus wolf "science." I hate it almost as much as I hate tranny headcanons.

No. 1965381

>>1965362
Unironically I hate how the whole idea about wolf and animal hierarchy has probably been misinterpreted. Basically it was a study of a pack of wolves where researchers saw the biggest male leading the pack and so they concluded that wolves have one strong dominant male that always leads the pack. A few years later the very same researchers studied a pack of wolves again, but this time in the wild and they realized that the wolves leading the pack aren’t the strong alpha males, they were the parents and the "lesser" wolves were just their kids or younger siblings.

No. 1965386

>>1964725
Yep. When f/f was written by lesbians and the occasional straight girl and guy, no dicks anywhere. But in come the 'bisexuals', around 2005/2010s and it's dick, dick everywhere. I gave up on cause I got tired of it. Now that trannies are involved I can't imagine how much worse it's gotten.

No. 1965398

>>1965187
>>1965248
>it seems like shit that shouldve stayed in the furry community.
>Didn't omegaverse get invented by a Supernatural fanfic writer?
Yes. Specifically, there was a part of Supernaturnal fandom that liked to write real person fic about Jared & Jensen, called J2. (the two lead actors). They devolved into a hive of degeneracy and one of the things they liked to write was bestiality fic, with one or both getting fucked by Jared's dog. That then morphed into omegaverse fic. Which somehow spread out of that part of Supernatural fandom into wider fandom and then actual books.

https://fanlore.org/wiki/Alpha/Beta/Omega

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Idk which post on omegaverse to quote here, but I remember finding out through Fanlore that the OG omegaverse was called "tramp!verse" and it was started on a Supernatural kink meme on LiveJournal in 2010, where the woman who wrote the fill for the kink meme request gave the "bitch male" a uterus, but the uterus was never asked for in the original request. I have no idea how it got called omegaverse though.

>>1965386
DA but holy shit same I remember "Clexa" from The 100 and also the cheerleaders(?) from Glee got G!P-ified by the coomer female fans by turning them into hermaphrodites basically. Literally my eyes turned to stone because these freaks kept clogging up the f/f tags. Then trannies came in and made everything worse and now over half the f/f tags are just futashit. Eventually even the yuri ship from Attack On Titan (ymir/christa) got this treatment too but by then I'd given up on searching the f/f tags. It's so nauseating. Funnily enough I don't mind actual hetships but the moment I see cuntboy or futa/dickgirl it's the equivalent of being forcibly exposed to someone's fetish and I automatically hate them for it.

>>1965398
Kek same hat Nonna!

No. 1965410

>>1965150
Corpo vtubers that belong to a JP one usually don't touch any of that with a ten foot pole. Except Nijisanji. Their fanbase is full of watermelon gendies (zoomer girls obsessed with the males) and the livers do pander to a more western mindset. Finana's "educate yourself" comes to mind

No. 1965415

>>1964110
>>1964129
>Most of the fanfic writers I enjoy the works of claim to be bi despite never giving a shit in their life about female characters.
>Most of these fandom "bis/lesbians" are just regular straight women who overexaggerate how much they LUUHV WOMEN but spend all their energy and time on men.
Yeah, they just don't really care about female characters. For example, since Avatar has come up, if Azula had been male, with nothing else changed, fandom would have been all over him. But as a female character, she gets hate for being a 'psycho'. I mean she is, but as a man, she would have been loved for it.

No. 1965422

>>1965404
>DA but holy shit same I remember "Clexa" from The 100 and also the cheerleaders(?) from Glee got G!P-ified by the coomer female fans by turning them into hermaphrodites basically
Yep. those were the first f/f fandoms that the "bis" set up in ruined. I kept going for another year or so, but I got tired of scrolling through all the dicks so I just left. I've been gone from f/f for so long, I had no idea troons had also shown up and ruined it. damn.

Glee had a lot of f/f. The main pairing was Santana/Brittany (the cheerleaders) followed by Rachel/Quinn. I was only into Santana/Quinn, though. But they all got infected with futa and girldick.

No. 1965440

>>1965422
I basically stopped reading F/F aside from select writers because half of the ships are made up of that and they get through my exclusions because they make up new keywords everyday like magical robot penis or whatever. I get futa for 2D characters because it's more detached but I will never understand people who insert it for live action/RPF shit when you literally know the female actors don't have a dick. Saw someone draw fanart like that for the kpop idol Seulgi and it was just weird

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>>1965381
It makes me think how everything in this movie is so wrong. But it would be funnier if the Omegaverse came from this movie and not from that wolf myth.

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>>1965440
>Saw someone draw fanart like that for the kpop idol Seulgi and it was just weird
NTA but does this happen to be @biululu999/@xiniuiu127? I was already put off by the futashit art between all the fictional girls, and something about this artist's kpop idol fanart disturbed me even if it wasn't necessarily explicit. It was suggestive in a way that I could just tell that this artist was drawing futa of these real-life girls on the side, which is a whole other disgusting level of creepy. Yet somehow they're friends with a bunch of "lesbian" artists. I searched and there seems to be mentions of a "Seulgi" on posts that've been deleted, except for one, on the porn account

No. 1965645

>>1965569
I don't remember the username but it was a Chinese artist so that account probably is it. I do wonder with how many asian artists drawing futa if they even date women irl. Since it doesn't seem like transbians are as big of a problem over there do they just feel unfulfilled with pussy or something when they are in relationships?

Also not to revive the F/F discourse again but I saw a bunch of tweets blaming TERFs for being the reason why people are put off from making F/F content which is very funny to me. Like I truly wish that was the case so futashit didn't infest half of the tags.

No. 1965674

>>1965645
I wish there were more "terfs" in femslash fandoms. It sucks because I'm passionate about a lot of female characters and F+F ships (AKA the kind of fan Twitterfags say they wish existed) but I don't even bother anymore. Every other female character gets headcanoned as MTF, every ship gets drawn or written as MTF+F aka heterosexual with extra steps and having PIV and "breeding" or omegaverse, and you can't even explain to social justice-inclined fans how this is misogynistic/homophobic because it's "transphobic". Nobody wants to talk about why this is one of the real reasons why F+F is unpopular besides "most women are straight", it was actually easier to find earnest female fans of this stuff before Tumblr identity politics ruined everything.

No. 1965680

>>1965674
TERFs should take over femslash like how nazis took over K-on and Bocchi the rock tbh

No. 1965685

>>1965680
I wish TERFs (or even just people not into the gendie shit who aren't radfems) had their own little fandom communities. But if people were out and open TERFs in fandom gendies would spend more time harassing them than the literal K-ON nazis so that'll never happen.

No. 1965691

>>1965321
The shift between when omegaverse was niche and when omegaverse manga became half of what's released was so sudden though that it feels almost artificial. I get the whole demand and supply thing but it felt very inorganic, unlike when companies started to sell more BL mahwa.

No. 1965696

>>1965685
>I wish TERFs (or even just people not into the gendie shit who aren't radfems) had their own little fandom communities
I'm the latter and miss when that was the mainstream opinion. I figure older fans who were around during forums (30-40+) would be less likely to be on board with it, but I don't know where they are now.

No. 1965701

>>1965691
damn nonna you read my mind, i'm really glad to see someone feels the same way. i was just about to say that i have a theory that some kinks were "implanted" into the general population, especially in cases where you can't really find them in older erotica. for instance, we've always had edgy "dom"-ish bad boys in het romances, but something previously niche like daddy kink becoming so ubiquitous feels very manufactured. the rise of futa/mpreg from niche to mainstream feels similarly artificial, but unlike with daddy kink (whose main beneficiary and backer is the porn industry), i don't have the slightest idea as to who is benefiting from futa/mpreg type shit. you could argue troons ig, but that's only in the west.

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>>1965343
>Her character got shortchanged because she had to be the precious mommy madonna at 14
God, I definitely don't like that Katara was written to be so freaking vanilla most of the time. Especially with that little whiny phase where Katara was bummed about not being as fun as the others. Even though her origin explains why she's all motherly and empathetic, I wish they spent more time letting her be something other than this preachy, love interest/role-model for Aang. Like I mentioned before, they could've made her go through an arc where she's forced to use bloodbending in order to stop an ally from dying, and realizes that bloodbending isn't inherently evil, and can be used for good. This could make her view not just bloodbending but also life through a more nuanced perspective, and make her realize that she shouldn't have to be this clean role-model and substitute mother all the time. She learns to be more of her natural self instead of what she thought her mother would have wanted, just like a realization that she'll have to bloodbend at times instead of only using pure water. She can stay mature and give helpful talks, and remain empathetic, but she won't feel like she owes anyone her worship or needs anyone's validation.

I don't know. I tried, I really did.

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Starting off the day strong by saying the quiet part out loud, I see.

No. 1965744

>>1965705
Cool fanart! This is a cool idea for an AU

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>>1964020
>tell me one f/f ship that's similar to homumado in any way that isn't surface level kek
not Homura x not Madoka

No. 1965753

>>1965321
>>1965691
>>1965701
Probably some kind of cognitive dissonance from those who fetishize extreme heterosexual gender roles but still fell for the "het is ew" fandom meme so they try to have their cake and eat it too by heterosexualizing gay ships which actually makes them "even more progressive" than regular gay ships because "trans representation". The average omegaverse/futa/mpreg fic is a ton more misogynistic than even the average hetship fic. It's also funny when a/b/ofags cry about "heteros appropriating omegaverse" with male alpha/female omega stories when omegaverse is just heterosexuality on steroids but also with weird zoophilic and pseudoscientific elements.

No. 1965757

>>1964020
Madoka is overrated lolibait. There I said it

No. 1965771

>>1965753
I just like yaoi and have a pregnancy fetish
I also like genderswap BL and regular het for what it's worth.

No. 1965776

>>1965757
Based kek also I despise the style, the girls’ heads and eyes have the same look as stuff made by blatant lolicon artists, like the Made in Abyss guy

No. 1965784

>>1963962
The show always had an anti violence message about it from the start. Aang is based off of Tibetan monks who are entirely anti violence.
A majority of the time when the mcs fight they use their wits to outsmart the "stupid" villains, and both azula and the fire lord are left alive at the end.
The bloodbending thing was never going to be properly incorporated into the story let's be honest. Plus, the old woman also had a traumatic experience but is depicted as the ultimate evil in the blood bending episode. It would've been far more realistic to make her have like ptsd, and either be afraid or angry and lashing out at the fire nation people but instead she's just depicted as evil and hateful. Meanwhile the guy who killed kataras mother was depicted as pitiful and pathetic so that you didn't want him to die.
Also thinking back I can completely understand why people paired katara so heavily with zuko, she fits way better with him than aang. But the showrunners didn't want her to end up with zuko bc he would be a bad influence so she gets aang while he gets emo mei.

No. 1965790

>>1965753
I've never seen any het omegaverse stories, I don't even want to imagine what they could be like.

No. 1965795

>>1963956
Fanboys care about male characters
Fangirls care about characters they’re attracted to them

No wonder it’s useless to make female characters when everyone just latches to male characters

No. 1965796

>>1963952
I disagree but whatever. Unsure why you think Katara is boring when she’s a very dynamic character with flaws. Is it because she’s ultimately a goody two shoes

No. 1965799

>>1963954
So did Nobura. Nanami had explicit fan pandering/female gaze scenes, I thought the tiktok fangirls just overreacted but no I was pretty shocked.

Fangirls will always ignore well written female characters anyway or find any way to tear then apart. Unless a show is devoid of a male that they can latch onto or indulge in BL fantasies

Istg if SU had another human male or even a “male” gem and had Greg looked better fans would have ignored the entirety of any gem related plot (so the whole show) and shipped them together and I guarantee that anons here would defend it somehow because “uhhh the male gem is so cool we just need to now why male” or some bs.

No. 1965802

>>1964306
I’ve only seen men hype up about female characters going on about how Nobura has potential and how much of a beast Maki is. My guy friends even pitched the show to me because of Nobura,

Women just focus on Geto and Gojo while forgetting that Geto is dead. I feel like i’ve seen way too many comments that are unaware of when Geto died and how to tell (forehead stitch) so they just assume if he has long hair = dead.

No. 1965812

>>1964349
And the whole “het is ew” mentality that spawned from tumblr’s activism coupled with the fact it’s more titillating/spicy esp for women from conservative backgrounds. I will never forget the days of “i love yaoi but don’t support homos” days

No. 1965817

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>>1965795
This isn't true, fangirls care about female characters, even in shonenshit circles, as long as these characters are actually propped up by the story and given enough relevance to be more than "the girl". (Shit, some women love even the most basic shonenshit female characters and they'll be the ones making most of the cute and non-lewd fanart of them)

It's especially obvious when you go to fandoms where female characters have major roles in the story of their manga/game/whatever.
Case in study, Splatoon. I've seen so many female fans of all the idols and basically all proper shippers of Pearlina and Shiver/Frye are women who obsess over them like they would yaoi pairings.
And yes, there are the fujos and fringe groups who care about extremely minor characters like Diss Pair or H2Whoa, but they are an infinite minority.

No. 1965824

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>>1965784
>Also thinking back I can completely understand why people paired katara so heavily with zuko, she fits way better with him than aang. But the showrunners didn't want her to end up with zuko bc he would be a bad influence so she gets aang while he gets emo mei.
Holy shit, zutara fans have some nerves of steel to keep going after they get bullied so hard. Didn't the creators of the show themselves host a comic-con where they prank zutara fans by shitting all over the ship? They basically said "fuck you if you ship zutara" KEK, then you have people who love Aang never missing a chance to shit on zutara and their fans too. But despite all the bullying they got for years, they still defend, explain, draw and write for zutara HARD to this day. You gotta admire their unrelenting drive, they didn't let anything stop them from loving their ship.

No. 1965836

>>1965790
Somehow that shit has become mainstream through tik tok. I guess it's the same as looksmaxxing and other incel/4chan lingo becoming popular with the broad majority thinking it makes them edgy or cool to know about strange niches and a smaller group of people getting into it unironically when they would've never been exposed to it if it weren't for social media.

>>1965795
Are female characters really useless just because they get less fans in majority-female circles? The relatable or well-designed ones I see are usually popular with both genders. I guess it's only useless to make them if you're not trying to tell a story and only want to pander to straight women or gay men

No. 1965843

>>1965824
based kek, zutara almost never interacted, it was just another self-insert ship for zuko fangirls. basically like kacchako or whatever in the world hermione x draco is.

No. 1965849

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>>1965784
>>1965824

As a professional katara defender and zutara fan i’m loving this lmao i’ll say two things, a lot of it was being katara’s age and being from a similar background. The thought of growing up raising your male siblings and then getting married to a man child made me want to scream.

The fact that her character goes through so much growth, especially rebelling against her misogynistic culture, just for her to end up exactly where they wanted her. Healing, darning aang’s socks and being sad about his fangirls was such a betrayal to little me and i wasn’t going to be condescended to by some self inserting scrote about what i should like romantically. Nowadays i would ship katara with no one (maybe some space and time for herself), but the zutara thing was 100% a rejection of the wifemom thing. Enough.

>>1965343
>>1965705
100% this; there’s some zutara fanfiction that touches on this (e.g katara uses blood bending to heal zuko’s lighting wounds after his agni kai with azula). It’s just so much more interesting and narratively complex

She got so dumbed down to make her a “suitable” love interest for aang

No. 1965855

>>1965849
Also relating to the ugly men propaganda thread, i take so much issue with women and girl being bullied for liking men who are actually attractive to us. A bunch of reddit scrotes and old men never had any business dictating who we should like, they should have known their place

No. 1965856

>>1965849
I agree with you completely. Katara was destined for better than the trapped housewife and baby maker of someone as immature as Aang. Yeah, yeah, he's the avatar, but what does that mean to Katara when the avatar still needs his clothes sewed and his children's asses wiped?
It would have been a bit of a stretch for her to marry Zuko and become the fire empress, but the show creators would have never allowed her to marry no one or a nobody, so he was the best choice among the available options.

No. 1965858

>>1965849
>>1965855
>>1965856
I agree with you, honestly. But isn't it also fucked up that everybody else got a statue in LoK, yet Katara was the only one that didn't? She didn't even get a statue in the Southern Water Tribe. God DAMN wtf is that shit.

No. 1965860

>>1965858
the creators didnt like katara apparently

No. 1965878

>>1965795
Men dont care about male characters beyond power leveling and self inserting. Men think any male character that cares about anything but fight autism is gay.

No. 1965912

>>1965878
Unless your source for fanboys is literally just power levelling threads sure.
It’s always been my biggest source of frustration that fangirls just don’t seem to cate about the media outside fo shipping nor do they care much about female characters and focus all their attention on plain background male characters that looked at each other once.
Even here anons get rabid when someone indulges in GL or in order to fangirl over a female character you need to do it correctly or else you’re a moid.

No. 1965940

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>>1964046
Deadass if she were a male character then JJK would have had insane ship wars or at the very least give her more attention I could already see it
>omg ship size
>Opposite attract
>Competing over their school leads to fucking
>the scar
> The same 200 fics where Gojo finds who out responsible for the scar
>fics over the moon because (s)he gave a power boost to Gojo in that fight
>angst fics because Gojo dies while (s)he is boosting him
>"You're crying" scene giving us a mountain of fics
I don't read fanfics but I'm pretty sure those are the most common themes that cause a flood of fics, but since she's a female character so she barely gets any attention

No. 1965948

>>1964269
exactly

No. 1965952

>>1965940
animanga is full of women who fit her character archetype so yeah nobody gives a fuck. a man would’ve been interesting. trying to use jjk for this is retarded anyway when nobara and gojo are popular (in jp anyway$

No. 1965976

>>1965940
Gojo is the series' community dick so I don't think the number of gojohime fans would have been different in that case. It's more than the ones who like the ship wouldn't like it if Utahime were a guy, and the ones who don't like it would like it. The exact same people would keep arguing anyway. And jjk as a whole is a strange example because a shit ton of women wouldn't stop advertising it because of the "cool, strong female characters" and now they're complaining because they don't like that the female characters they like are less present than before like Nobara or Yuki. The guys I see don't care, just care about them because of hentai doujinshi or complain about Maki being a mary sue. I think it really depends on who you're talking to. It's not the same as Naruto in which the female characters were generally disliked by everyone and not just girls or boys. Except maybe Tsunade because she had cool fight scenes.

No. 1965994

>>1965952
I’m going to be honest I don’t understand the “it’s more interesting because it’s a man” sentiment that’s been shared in the thread and what you’re saying makes 0 sense to me. It’s the same dynamic and character just different sex. The only way “it’s different “ makes sense to me is you just hate female characters.
Obviously you’ll argue that nooo it’s not the same but it will come off as >>1964052

No. 1965996

>>1965976
Tbh I guess JJK is a strange fandom. I wonder if it’s just a JJK thing or if it’s a trend we’ll be seeing with the “big shonen” fandoms

No. 1965997

>>1965824
Yes, they did.

No. 1965998

>>1965912
women do care about female characters, what are you talking about? all of the noncoom fanart of female characters is done by women.

No. 1966003

>>1963998
>>1962175
As a fan of Vivinos’ lesbian horror animations, I finally watched the Alien Stage vids and I get why more people went wild for the dudes. Also, if the 2 guys can get a detailed full-on makeout scene, why can’t the 2 girls get even a kiss? Vivinos’ prior lesbian shorts didn’t have girls kissing which I didn’t think about since it’s horror, but now it’s jarring since her new project does include kissing, with a guy forcing a kiss on another guy, and a guy attempting to force a kiss on a girl. Is it meant to be ironic since mizisua are mutually in love and didn’t kiss? Is their love too ‘pure’ or something? I find it a bit lame. I feel like I’m getting the lesbian equivalent of blueballing.

No. 1966004

>>1965997
this kind of thing wouldn't fly today lmao

No. 1966005

>>1965940
Kekk true

No. 1966015

>>1965996
It's not strange, it's just super popular so you have more fans, and all sorts of fans who tend to hang out with fans who like the same things about the same series. Sometimes you do have weird shit like powerscaling obsessed straight guys arguing over yaoi with female shippers over whether Gojo is an uke or a seme or mpreg or whatever or crying that women having a crush on Nanami are crazy and disgusting while retweeting the exact same things about the female characters of the same series but that's just because of the current state of the internet, with a few big social media websites that everyone uses instead of stuff like small closed communities like on lj or dedicated forums like before, and not specific to this series at all.

No. 1966019

>>1966003
This is exactly how I felt kek. People are being so dishonest about why Ivantill blew up. Maybe if Mizusua had a one-sided, long, emotionally loaded make out session in the rain set to dramatic music, people might feel similarly. I feel a bit cheated.

No. 1966023

>>1966015
kek and all that attention just for a super mid anime with empty characters.

No. 1966039

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>>1966003
I mean, did Sua ever confess to Mizi or anything? It's clear that they are in love with each other, but in their round they sang and the loser was killed without any resistance while Ivan went out of his way to manipulate the score and save Till who hadn't even looked at him before that point. They would've never kissed outside of these circumstances

>>1965994
Nta but it would be a het ship first and foremost. They are everywhere in media, so it won't be anything new or interesting. But most (m/m) fan-creations aren't new or interesting either and largely depend on stereotypes and tropes, so there has to be another element but I don't think it's misogyny. Not caring to see a 2D woman get fucked isn't the same as hating her. It makes me wonder why women even obsess about m/f ships in the first place, is it all self-inserting or voyeurism? It's always said that fujos must see it that way, but is it only acceptable or less embarrassing for yumes because they could fuck a moid irl while a fujo will never be able to get the gay experience?

No. 1966043

>>1966039
>Not caring to see a 2D woman get fucked isn't the same as hating her. It makes me wonder why women even obsess about m/f ships in the first place, is it all self-inserting or voyeurism?
Self-inserting. They very, very rarely give a shit about the female character besides using her as a vessel for themselves.

No. 1966096

>>1966023
Well yeah? It's from the shonen jump, don't expect a masterpiece.

No. 1966107

>>1965997
They're absolutely pathetic for doing this and insulting an audience that hasn't done anything egregious except pair Katara and Zuko

No. 1966109

>>1966096
JJK is soulless slop even for Jump standards. I still can't even point out what made it popular like I can with other series. The art sucks, the characters are one-note, the designs are boring, the power system is too convoluted. Genuinely, what the fuck did people see in it?

No. 1966110

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>>1966096
I wonder, when it comes to shonen, what manga/anime are the closest to being "the best" and which ones could be "masterpieces"? I'd like to say that Fullmetal Alchemist is pretty much one of the best in my personal opinion. But maybe something like Jojo could be considered more of a masterpiece. What do anons think?

No. 1966117

>>1965799
Nobora didn't feel finished at all. What was the point of her friend? They never met again, and she got a single power up before kicking the bucket.
Haven't met anybody that thought she was a complete character, even her fanboys feel like she's was wasted.

No. 1966119

>>1966109
You haven't even read more than 5 Jump battle shounen, your opinion is honestly worthless.

No. 1966120

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>>1966039
>I mean, did Sua ever confess to Mizi or anything? It's clear that they are in love with each other, but in their round they sang and the loser was killed without any resistance
You don’t have to limit it to those confines. It’s still a fictional story with people deciding how the characters act and who gets to kiss. There are ways to think of a kiss scene. Have them kiss in secret at the garden, or in a scene before the competition. Or have them slowly lean in and kiss in the last moments of their duet(which sounds like a rehash of ivantill, but the difference is mizisua’s would be mutual and happy, before the shock of sua’s death) instead of just having them smiling at each other sweating.
There is no reason why it should make more sense to you for ivantill to make out, while the girls who are mutually in love, singing a loving duet to keep each other alive, and know they may or may not make it out alive, never kiss.

No. 1966121

>>1966110
FMA is pretty good but I wonder if my opinion would be different if I decided to read it again as a 30yo woman, as opposed to reading it in middle and high school when it was on going. I ask myself this because everyone says it's a masterpiece and I personally love it, it stays consistent and doesn't feel like the author or editors forced it to be longer than it should be just for money, but some series I like are closer to being trainwrecks too. JJK is ok for what it is, if you want to see cool fight scenes but the shonen jump stopped being innovative long ago, it's obvious this one was inspired by a bunch of specific other series. JJBA is pretty good especially if you don't gaf about teenage protagonists, school settings and dumb tournaments, I need to reread it someday. I really like Gintama but never finished the manga or the anime so I have no idea if it stays good or if it becomes trash like so many series at the end. YYH is good but I watched the anime in middle school when I was the target audience. I recommend it to anyone who likes HXH.

Speaking of which, there are many manga in hiatus with a good reputation but I wonder if people would still care about Nana or X1999 if they were over. I feel like the endless hiatus contributes to these series' good reputation but it's hard to explain.

No. 1966123

>>1966117
I should probably add that I dropped the manga a year after she died and it was becoming clear that the author was just throwing shit at a wall and didn't actually care about her character.

No. 1966130

>>1966119
>Can't address the point
>Makes up a headcanon about me to attack
Concession accepted

No. 1966134

>>1966110
Depends on what kind of shounen you're talking about. FMA isnt really involved in discussion regarding battle shounen, so most would say DB/HxH are the closest to a "masterpiece" from what I've seen, they obviously have their own issues and get criticism towards them but I think they usually get the most respect and wide-appeal among battle shounen fans. Jojo is great with regards to being pure entertainment and I would put it right after the two mentioned before, but from a technical writing perspective it gets a lot of flack for Akira straight up forgetting shit he wrote. That being said, Stands is usually considered one of the best power systems among discussions. This is just my experience having been a fan of this stuff since childhood and following conversations for years.

No. 1966135

>>1966121
Ayrt, I'm 28 and rewatching it with my special someone, they have never watched it before but I did in middle school. I'm starting with 2003 but then we'll do brotherhood I've never watched that either. I definitely feel like I appreciate it differently now and can understand the mature themes better, I see Edward and Al as children thrown into an adult world and not as characters who were basically my age back then. I like it, dynamics are complex and well written, I honestly was expecting it to not be so good but it holds up pretty well. I grew out of shonen ages ago and even then I can still see this as one of the best ones out there, give it a try if you feel like it

No. 1966136

>>1966130
Someone who thinks the cursed energy power system is too "convoluted" doesn't deserve spoonfeeding, kek. Keep acting haughty about being too stupid to understand a manga for teenagers.

No. 1966141

>>1964020
>the whole appeal is that homura is a terribly insane and possessive person
And that's why it's great
>>1965757
It's funny and very silly how after so many years, farmers simply aren't tired if saying this shit at every mention of Madoka

No. 1966145

>>1966110
Shonen wise I'd say bleach is a masterpiece mostly. It delivered and was very entertaining with fun characters, and the ending wasn't stupid unlike AOT. Jojo's part 6 is a masterpiece, part 7 and 8 are also great but they're seinen so they don't count. What makes part 6 a masterpiece for me is that it tied all the previous parts and gave them meaning and a unified theme of overcoming fate, being the main motivation of all the villains, while the heroes are soldiers of fate fighting against the villains, because fate itself sent them. And fate is some sort of power akin to a god in the world of jojo, it's very interesting. Parts 7 and 8 also have that theme but specifically fortune vs. calamity and which can overcome which or how to balance it. All the villains have calamity/fate overcoming powers, and fhe heroes have fortune/fate enforcing powers and it's just so cool to me.

No. 1966150

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>>1966136
This? This is a good power system to you?(infighting)

No. 1966162

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>>1966043
No, she's my daughteru and she means the world to me that she deserves her pussy eaten skillfully by a nice handsome man.

No. 1966169

>>1966150
I just think its cute that you can barely comprehend basic shit like this(infighting)

No. 1966178

Why don’t males get called cucks for being into lesbian shipping? Fujo hate is just misogyny. Plus if I wanted to fuck a gay guy I could still do that with some ketamine. News flash, I don’t, because I hate faggots. Two cartoon dicks is hotter than one. Simple as.(fujo bait)

No. 1966193

>>1966150
Can you actually articulate what makes it “complicated”? Kek(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 1966194

>>1966145
To this day I'm so glad I dropped AOT early just out of sheer laziness.

No. 1966198

>>1966178
I hate male yuri fans so fucking much for reasons that are probably redundant here, but I can’t help but sperg about it anyways. After reading countless posts on tranny invaded “lesbian” subreddits where so many transbians admit they trooned out because they got addicted to loli yuri hentai written for and by moids, which they genuinely believe accurately depicts lesbianism irl, they disgust me. Never trust a male yuri fan, he is one step away from trooning out. Calling them cucks isn’t enough. They all need to kill themselves

No. 1966213

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>>1966198
Picrel is actual topsy turvy clown world shit. A man identifying as a lesbian complains about women identifying as lesbian "invading" his f/f spaces and how they should "leave it to lesbians".

No. 1966223

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>>1966107
Didn't Bryke also say that the girls who shipped Zutara were basically stupid and were gonna have a terrible love life? Even if the ship is bad, that's still a fucked up thing to say, especially since zutara fans were mostly teenaged girls. Like Bryke, calm the fuck down you bitter manchild.
>>1965849
Michael must've wanted Aang as a self-insert so badly, Aang's adult design looks more like Michael than it looks like Aang himself. Kek what a weirdo. This reminds me that the creator of Miraculous Ladybug designed Marinette off of the fantasy love-child between him and his ex-wife. When you look at Marinette's parents, it all comes together KEK

No. 1966224

>>1966213
He’s just mad that lesbians would rather fuck a TIF than him any day

No. 1966229

>>1966198
I always wondered why lesbians are more chill with male characters than straight men are with other dudes. Is it because women can separate reality from fiction or becuase they live their lives carving a niche in a grander hetero society?

No. 1966234

>>1966229
It’s simple: moids only care about getting their dick wet. Women can empathize with and relate to male protagonists in fiction, but moids are only interested in female characters that are “waifu” material

No. 1966236

>>1966213
>I have never seen us on a large scale claim to be homosexual men or insist on existing within their spaces
Maybe because you're an AGP? It's not like FtM lesbian types are the majority of TIFs either, much less those who still identify as lesbians (and they're not as loud as gaydens). This guy would lose his mind if he knew how many HSTS type trannies still call themselves gayboys and use Grindr.

No. 1966242

>>1966213
nothing makes me angrier than TIMs who co-opt feminist language. like bitch YOU are the creepy male in lesbian spaces

No. 1966252

>>1966213
>pretending to care about women
>referring to them as "c*sfems"
pick one.

No. 1966282

>>1966145
>Shonen wise I'd say bleach is a masterpiece mostly.
Bleach wasn't supposed to go on from very early on but they kept going and going and going

No. 1966288

>>1965073
Exactly. Troons and handmaidens gripe about how real and true lesbians don't like yuri but how do you expect us to like this type of pure malegaze coombait, the fuck? 99.99% of yuri is this bullshit, honestly if I want yuri I just think really hard. I can't enjoy any f/f content knowing some moid is getting off to it too.

No. 1966302

>>1966120
You're right, they could've put that in if they wanted to. Coping but maybe they are saving the moment for something else?

No. 1966309

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>>1966023
tbh it's the most popular with neo anime fans, just like chainsaw man or demon slayer were. I don't expect them to exactly be on the look out for good stuff because most are into anime casually and will eat up pretty much anything.

No. 1966311

>>1966121
Funny you should say that, I actually watched Brotherhood for the first time ever just a couple years ago (was 27 then) and I absolutely loved it. In fact, I think I got more out of it than I would have if I had watched it back when I was a teen (then again I was a pretty dumb teen kek). I think FMA is actually one of the few shonen that get better when you experience them as an adult. Gintama is another one imo, though in a different way.

No. 1966315

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>>1964720
I can relate, I've seen at least three of my husbands get HC'd as "trans girls", even entire shows like Ranma were ruibed for me.

No. 1966319

>>1966288
I draw mostly BL art on my art account but I have a ton of f/f OCs that I have created elaborate stories for and draw them for myself all the time but if I think about ever publishing my work I hit a mental wall of being disgusted at some scrote fetishizing them like making my butch characters into mommydom tropes or feminizing them or some bihet headcanoning them as having dicks for porn and so forth, all the stuff you see people doing for femslash stuff and what a lot of yuri is. When I create BL I feel the most safe from coomer moids and people obsessed with hetshit, it is what it is. We really do be living in a society.

No. 1966338

>>1966309
and thats why we get around 10 isekais shows every season nowadays. wonderful thanks to the normie fans!

No. 1966347

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It sucks to be into slightly alternative media, it's always contaminated with TIMs or TIFs, everything I liked grew up being filled to the brim either with either mostly TIMs or with mostly TIFs and sometimes both and I fucking hate it.

No. 1966358

>>1966338
Yeah, thanks to Japanese normies. Anime studios don't care about the kind of fans you're thinking about.

No. 1966361

>>1966358
so jp normies have bad taste? who would have thought that kek.

No. 1966365

>>1966347
whenever i look at twitter screenshots i get super happy i've never in my life used this site.

No. 1966366

>>1966361
Yes, at least the zoomers who keep buying shitty isekai light novels that get adapted later.

No. 1966370

>>1966366
but dont light novels usually have super low sales?

No. 1966373

>>1966347
same nonnie. i’ve been told so many times that i’m not apart of my subculture because i’m a “terf” kek.

No. 1966377

>>1966213
>Shouldn't being a "male lesbian" cause them gender dysphoria?
Shouldn't your male aggression, constant talking over women, and trying to invade women's spaces cause you gender dysphoria, tranny-kun?

No. 1966378

>>1966370
Maybe, but there are plenty of adaptations out there so if they don't sell that well that means the only ones adapted are exceptions. Or maybe it's because publishing companies are making deals with anime studios directly, instead of anime studios buying the rights to make an adaptation? idk but this is nothing new, I remember watching Slayers on TV and it's from the 90s, the only real difference is that instead of having a bunch of different things adapted it's usually the typical "omg I got killed by truck-kun on my way to work and I've been reincarnated in one of the Dragon Quest games on the NES!" or "omg I got killed by truck-kun and now I'm the new Angelique rival/"villainess" please don't tell Koei Tecmo or they'll sue us!"

No. 1966388

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>>1965739
How tf does she sift through it? So many fics were written by actual pornsick virgins I had to remove all these tags and it actually removed half the fics there. I can tell these people are virgins because they never use sexual terms correctly. One of the fics tagged "intercrural sex" was literally just a knee pushed between the other's legs so she could grind on it. Just ????.

No. 1966403

>>1966388
All those filters, shit just start blocking the faggots.

No. 1966408

>>1966388
What the fuck? Is "pussy slapping" some popular fetish with fic writers now or something?

No. 1966411

>>1966388
From what I've seen most genderbend smut of danmei couples isn't even F/F but codeword for futa/omegaverse/trannyshit. I hate how these people LARP and pretend they actually read femslash when it's just PIV in disguise, like what do you know about lesbian sex?

No. 1966418

>>1966370
They do, the thing is that they're cheap af to make and nobody gives a shit on whether they're adapted well or not.
Unlike with manga magazines or light novels made with backing, isekai is easy to take advantage of, you can put out complete bullshit and people will just blame the author/genre for a shitty product.

No. 1966420

>>1966388
All of this screams red flags. the fuck

No. 1966439

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I dedicate this cap to every anon who ever starts going on about muh based redpilled nipponese never being offended kek.

No. 1966443

>>1966439
Japanese otaku moids are suggesting anyone who complains about this figure should be documented and reported for slander so the company can take action and sue them. Mind you the complaints from the evil feminists are mainly stuff like "don't you think a figure that shows a woman being peeped on is kind of wrong?", not "BURN THIS COMPANY TO THE GROUND AND KILL ALL MALES INVOLVED WITH PRODUCING THIS" type complaints kek

No. 1966445

>>1966439
Japanese feminists calling out the sexualization of young girls is nowhere near similar to the retardation that comes out of western spaces, be serious

No. 1966446

>>1966439
>the implication there there are people out there who genuinely believe that all Japanese women have zero desire for better equality or rights for women in an already super sexist country
I'm gonna be sick.

No. 1966447

>>1966439
>every anon who ever starts going on about muh based redpilled nipponese never being offended
I'm confused, who has ever said this here

No. 1966448

>>1966442
Wish they'd win already

No. 1966450

>>1966442
>>1966446
They are the quiet minority unfortunately

No. 1966451

I’ve been rereading Hunger Games and I’m remembering how on Tumblr people seemed super pissed that Katniss wasn’t cast as a PoC and that JLaw was poor casting. I specifically remember a whole lot of posts of people saying when they read the books they thought Katniss was Native American and I can see where they’re coming from but wtf is that based on other than she has olive skin? I thought District 12 was just had some northern Italy vs southern Italy dynamic going on but I might be a tard. Was the Katniss is totes Native just performative outrage or am I just extra dull? I do think JLaw in terms of looks was a poor casting choice tho but her acting as Katniss I thought more than made up for it.

No. 1966458

>>1966439
Japanese feminists and communists have been trying to fight against all pornography for decades now.

No. 1966460

>>1966446
Western incels genuinely believe that Japanese women are subservient anime waifus who don't mind being objectified and sexualized continuously while they're practically doing the 4B movement there to the point boomers in Japan are panicking 40% of young women being unmarried and childless citing misogyny as the main reason. Every normal woman in Japan thinks that figures assaulting little girls are disgusting and that otaku men are subhuman and people really underestimate the amount of feminists they do have. They just haven't gotten mixed in with the extremely loud notorious misandrists who aren't really feminists but blackpilled NLOGs who hate men like the Korean movement did.

No. 1966462

>>1966447
nta but some fujos will occasionaly post based japanese fujos will have conventions and sell merchandise of pregnant men all without any shame.

No. 1966466

Seeing the way people are talking about Taylor Swift lately, and particularly 'swifties' I'm very much reminded of the way stuff like Twillight was treated back in the day. Sure, both have things to criticize, but the main point of content once again seems to be teen girls and young women are a fan of it. I'm putting this in the fandom thread because even as someone that isn't a fan I can see the swifties have fandom similarity. Especially in terms of content creation, even without looking things up I regularly came across women being very creative making stuff like dresses and cookies inspired by her. They just seem to have fun. Right now Taylor has been delegated to the same level as "boring white women who enjoy pumpkin spice lattes and have no personality!!" that Stanley cups were relegated too. Like yeah both have those that went too far but you sure as hell never see this kind of shit talked about regarding men.
You see the same with stuff like shoujo vs shounen. Shounen gets to be cool and popular. The only shoujos people are allowed to be big fans of are 20 year old magical girl shows. Even a lot of the better series geared towards women are often seinen these days (I know it has to do with magazines) because shounen can be everything, but shoujos can only be basic romance series for some reason.

No. 1966467

>>1966466
much of the "hate" comes from other female fan-groups, like a lot of it comes from Beyonce fans

No. 1966469

>>1966460
>40% of young women being unmarried and childless citing misogyny as the main reason
If you think this is due to feminism and not because of economic reasons then I have news for you

No. 1966472

>>1966439
>there’s Japanese FEMINISTS?!?
I hate weeb moids so much

No. 1966474

>>1966469
Oh right, forgot that anons here think that Japanese women are dumb pickmes who would love to please their man but muh economy prevents it. Got news for you too, women refusing to have children because it would singlehandedly ruin their career is a reason caused by a misogynist society dropping the entirety of childcare with its costs on women and not having men lift a finger to do anything for their family. Go on and read a study. https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/20482006.pdf

No. 1966475

>>1966474
Cool sperging about imaginary farmers, but that doesnt change the fact that its primarily economic factors

No. 1966476

>>1966474
nta but it's true though, similar thing in Korea, the vast majority of women are not feminists and the misogyny plays a big role on it but the economy and housing situation makes it impossible to get married and start a family

No. 1966478

>>1966439
the weeb replying was revealed to be 12 iirc? either way hilarious

>>1966443
even if it's a joke i agree with the second statement lol

>>1966466
it goes both sides, some swifties are genuinely vile. i've seen jokes of them being the second coming of the kkk lmao. i know some of the hate for swifties comes from the "woman hobby BAD!" train of thought but if taylor and her fans weren't so annoying there wouldn't be so much backlash against them.

No. 1966480

>>1966476
Read the post again.
>>40% of young women being unmarried and childless citing misogyny as the main reason
No mention of feminism here. Instead, the reasons are caused by a sexist society. However, one could argue that it's due to acts of feminism getting women the option to not become a barefoot and pregnant housewife so deciding to live for yourself not fulfilling the expectations society has placed upon you due to your gender is a feminist reason.

No. 1966483

>>1966458
for real. It's just extremely hard for them in a country like Japan that tells women to shut up, refuses to give them jobs above secretary or coffee pourer. It's depressing and it's how so much BL came about because japanese men are insanely sexist, competing for that trophy with Korean moids.

>>1966469
It's both, but in general Japanese women are fed up having to deal with moids who dont give a shit about them and are expected/encouraged to cheat after marriage. There are lots of younger Japanese women who say they'd never not get married or date real men because they're exhausting.

No. 1966485

>>1966480
nonna they are not live independently, both Korean men and women are forced to move back in with their parents or go into debt to rent an apartment that they will have to pay for the rest of their lives.

No. 1966486

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>>1966315
In the past thread there's some screenshot about how they took an ep totally wrong. Ranma get hit in the head and suddenly he acts girly girl, so he cries when he's in his normal (male) body and gets happier in his cursed (female) body.
The idea was to laugh at how ridiculous is a different Ranma that doesn't like martial arts, no how he's a TIM.

According to TRAs, this makes JKR a Holocaust denier.

No. 1966490

>>1966388
just block keywords in the “search within result” bar. it works better bc a lot of people don’t use the same tags

No. 1966491

>>1966486
>holocaust denier
Wait, wait, wait, I thought trannies and TRAS hated jews now? Wouldn't that make her based to them? Kek.

No. 1966494

>>1966150
A bit surprising seeing people here defending the power system

It’s a generally accepted thing in JJK’s power system is an inferior version of nen and it is badly explained. That’s one of my main gripes with the anime especially in season 2, every new character or even villain means half an episode dedicated to explaining their power

No. 1966495

>>1966483
>>1966458
This is also one of the reasons why I absolutely despise people who attempt to glorify the yakuza. Those retards have effectively obliterated any possibility of progress in Japan. They would ruthlessly assault or blackmail every single party who dared to demand even the slightest hint of reform in the realms of work or culture.

No. 1966497

>>1966486
>nazis burnt books on trans healthcare
IN WHAT ACTUAL UNIVERSE? The reach is insane.

No. 1966499

>>1966494
It's the reason I dropped the series. The power system is so stupid, and it became a whole thing where Gege introduces a new character, explains their power, and then they die 10 pages later. What's the point. It became the new dragon ball z where every single arc is a new bigger battle. It's so boring now. I only stick around the fandom for good BL.

No. 1966500

>>1966145
>>1966282
Bleach was fine until they finally beat Aizen. Then Jump and Tite tried to make the poor anime longer and Tite started to get tired of it (I still remember the news about how he expected to draw Bleach for almost 30 years), not mention also how Ichigo suddenly got a new power because, suddenly and out nowhere, he was half something.

Bleach is a masterpiece, but one that shows that it deserves an ending when it's supposed to end.

No. 1966505

>>1966497
I wish I would say they would gasp in despair if they knew the Japanese army, the ones behind the Unit 371, gave to the USA army the "experiment results" they did on Chinese, Korean and Russian people just because. But you need to tell them that one war victim was a tim to make them take that seriously.

No. 1966506

>>1966494
Imagine thinking attaching a tiktok to your post is helping your point any further, this is too hilarious

No. 1966507

>>1966497
I mean, it's kind of true, Magnus Hirschfeld (a gay German Jewish man) was the first person to research transsexuality (and also about relationship between adults and children and how to be healthy)…… so yeah

No. 1966511

>>1966500
Bleach should have ended at Aizen. He was the big bad that came out of left field, and I loved it. Bleach is only worth reading/watching until the Aizen arc. I feel like Kubo just wanted to keep the bleach hype train going and even big fans abandoned it after a while.

No. 1966516

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After so much discussion on yaoi vs het ships.
What would make a het ship interesting, give examples as to what het ships you like or feel are well done/fit your standards or share popular fandom het ships , other than Zutara and Katang. I think Roy x Riza is a popular one

No. 1966517

>>1966516
there are many popular het ships, idk why people always pretend no one ships them, its kinda annoying and dumb

No. 1966523

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>>1966516
The problem is that now we have thousands of people who are for a lack of a better term "brain rotten" that they basically have this aversion to heterosexuality(despite majority being straight themselves) like picrel thread is the epitome of that brain rot, just terminally online retards who cling to their delusion that the majority of the world is gay. It is no surprise that they transition at such alarming levels, given their profound denial of reality.

No. 1966525

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>>1966517
this post is always relevant

No. 1966526

>>1966523
Every day I am so thankful I never ended up like this despite being pretty online from a young age

No. 1966527

>>1966516
It could be the most amazing well-written hetship in the world and I still wouldn't care

No. 1966528

>>1966523
tumblr has done irreversible damage to fandoms and its sad that twitter only amplified that tenfold

No. 1966530

>>1966516
What's needed is good chemistry. I have ones I like but they're probably too waifubait for here.

No. 1966533

>>1966511
>>1966500
Can we really call it a masterpiece if it's not good from the beginning until the end? I say this as someone who never really got into Bleach back when it was on going because it was super long and I didn't want to waste time and money on a long unfinished series when Naruto already disappointed me a lot. But this question applies to a lot of series.

No. 1966536

>>1966523
Western fandom is broken beyond repair because of these retards.

No. 1966537

>>1966531
probably just pornsick from too much bl, that shit fries your brain

No. 1966538

>>1966527
that's valid if are you a lesbian of femfeb.

No. 1966542

>>1966460
Why are they even shocked that a developed country has feminists? Then again these guys spend all day beating off to hentai and gravure/cosplay models online so it’s no surprise they perceive Japanese women as being kawaii submissive porn caricatures. They think that these women are absolutely a-okay with being objectified, or should be objectified even. I don’t blame yumes/fujos for existing because seeing this amount of dehumanization of women would result to me doing the same to men as well.

No. 1966543

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>>1966538
straight as an arrow tyvm

No. 1966544

>>1966533
Bleach is dogshit. I don't know how low someone's standards has to be to consider it a masterpiece

No. 1966545

>>1966537
what did the deleted post say?

No. 1966551

>>1966538
Not everyone who doesnt like het is a lesbian. Some people just dont like het couples in fiction.

No. 1966552

>>1966545
They said something snarky about it's okay to be a lesbian if you dont like het ships. It was dumb

No. 1966554

>>1966543
I wonder what level of fujo brainrot you have to be to become this mentally ill kek

No. 1966556

>>1966554
nta but let's not derail this again, that's why I deleted my original post, let them have their fetishes in peace as long as they don't bother us.

No. 1966557

>>1966551
genuine question, why do you not like them? they're like 99% of fictional couples so it's not like you can avoid them

No. 1966558

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>>1966542
This is a complete anecdote based on my cousin's time in Japan. So my cousin works in a business where he has traveled around the world and he told me that the Japanese are "short sad people" He thought it was a beautiful country with a lot of gadgets, but everyone seemed miserable there.

No. 1966560

>>1966557
99% of het couples are literally
>he was a boy…she was a girl…what more do I need to say?

No. 1966563

>>1966556
I just find it fascinating. There’s probably some degree of self hatred going on with them.(attempting to rehash fujo infights)

No. 1966564

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>>1966523
why would they speak like this about their own parents?

>>1966552
thank you nonaa

>>1966411
kek so modern "f/f" fans are actually just coomers who don't discriminate between fetishes as long as a long object goes into a hole? they've essentially kicked out the actual femslash fans? that explains a lot.

No. 1966571

>>1966560
i mean thats kinda also how it works on real life

No. 1966574

>>1966571
Yeah. That's why it sucks

No. 1966577


No. 1966578

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>>1966564
>>1966411
I saw that a lot with the alleged lesbian shipping in the Arrowverse fandom, most of it was by straight women who of course added in elements to make it essential an m/f relationship not just in behaviour but actual biology.

No. 1966579

>>1966557
nta but idk why I gravitate towards f/f and m/m ships more. Maybe it's because they're usually never confirmed in canon outside of shipbait, and a lot is left up to interpretation? it's a good framework for fans to draw or make fic about the pairing. Seeing two characters who obviously belong together but aren't makes you want to fill in the gaps. Meanwhile m/f ships in romance anime for example, it's all there in canon. You don't have to write fic about what their relationship would look like because it's already shown. and usually a bit cliche ngl The m/f ships I do like tend to not be canon for this reason.
Also slightly off topic but I hate the whole "will they won't they" romance thing where a couple spends 200 chapters having trite misunderstandings, discovering their feelings etc. before having their first kiss kek. If anyone here is into yuri and also hates that trope I really liked "how do we relationship?"

No. 1966582

>>1966579
yes but you claim your straight, at the end of the day those ships you claim you like are just an idealised other for you.

No. 1966585

>>1966582
I'm not the anon you replied to. do you not know what nta means?

No. 1966586

>>1965856
>Katara was destined for better than the trapped housewife and baby maker of someone as immature as Aang. Yeah, yeah, he's the avatar, but what does that mean to Katara when the avatar still needs his clothes sewed and his children's asses wiped?
I kept seeing people say that Katara and Aang are perfect because he's the Avatar and she's already so motherly and she just HAS to give him kids because his people got wiped out. Everything about how her culture is important to her gets ignored, she's reduced to airbender breeding horse.
>>1965849
>100% this; there’s some zutara fanfiction that touches on this (e.g katara uses blood bending to heal zuko’s lighting wounds after his agni kai with azula). It’s just so much more interesting and narratively complex
I wanted to write a fanfic about Katara talking to Zuko about her conflicted feelings on bloodbending because on one hand she enjoys the connection to her culture and can empathize with Hama but on the other hand it makes her feel like a monster. Zuko relays some Iroh advice about how bending isn't good or bad, it just is. He then tells her that he knows how she views firebending as dangerous and destructive but she tells him that through knowing him and Iroh, there are other uses. He tells her that her bloodbending can never be evil because she's one of the most compassionate people that he knows. Then they bond over their bending and stuff.

No. 1966587

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>>1966523
>>1966578
I have said it before and I'll say it again, both fandom and troonism have convinced me that sexuality is innate and cannot be changed. A straight man or woman will always be straight, and whatever same-sex media they try to create, whether it's m/m or f/f, it will always carry those lingering traits of their inherent straightness. Even the pseudo-bisexuality developed between men and women is different from each other.

No. 1966588

>>1966213
I'd seriously rather have a hairy TiF in female-only spaces than a TiM (even one that "passes" and has had "all of the surgeries.) Being hairy and having a mastectomy doesn't make a person less female, because she was still born with a vagina and a uterus. She was still socialized female and experienced the marginalization any other woman would. TiF generally aren't the ones "stomping on" women, it's TiMs because they've treated women like shit their whole lives and they're so accustomed to it that it doesn't suddenly change the moment they hack their cocks off.

No. 1966591

>>1966586
How are some lolcow users actually better writers for Katara than the show's creators kek

No. 1966597

>>1966236
>This guy would lose his mind if he knew how many HSTS type trannies still call themselves gayboys and use Grindr.
AGP/AAPs and homosexual trannies hate each other. I used to know a MTF who slept with gay men and I know multiple lesbians who date or are attracted to FTMs. Transbians and gaydens are mad that HSTS are sleeping with gay people of their sex and not them. The last time I saw a FTM into yuri was on Deviantart over 15 years ago, so I don't even know where this claim that "men" (female troons) are taking over F/F spaces is coming from. Even real life non-fandom lesbian/"WLW" spaces accommodate bio-males.

>>1966236
Every FTM/TIF I knew identified as a "gay man" until I joined terf spaces in 2019 and found out about the FTM lesbian thing from detransitioners. I see more "nb lesbians" than self-identified "male lesbians", and even then that's literally what transbian AGPs are?

No. 1966599

>>1966587
I realized this when all the fujo content I consumed since growing up just felt like het dynamics and only one of them was a “man” on paper, he still acted and was drawn feminine regardless

No. 1966601

>>1966523
Zoomies have rotted their brains so much with calling everything gay that they’ve made a U turn back to straights kek

No. 1966604

>>1966597
there's definitely ftm yuri fans these days on twitter but mainly because 75% of women online have he/him or they/them pronouns kek. whether they actually transition is another story, and either way I'd prefer talking to them than any TIM

No. 1966606

>>1966599
>all the fujo content I consumed since growing up just felt like het dynamics and only one of them was a “man” on paper
what does het dynamics mean?

No. 1966612

>>1966606
Try reading the rest of the sentence

No. 1966615

>>1966606
I've never seen a bl character act any different from an average anime male, I don't really get it. Maybe if you only see dbz and think anime dudes are like that.

No. 1966618

>>1966612
that's really weird, arent most irl homosexual couples also ''het coded'' like when a butch dates a femme and when some twink dates some guy who's slightly less faggy. It's also weird to think that an effeminate man is somehow a woman, feels like the logic trannies use to troon out characters that arent bimbos or roidpigs.

No. 1966620

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>>1966599
If you actually read BL released in the last ten years you would know that the feminine uke problem has largely self-corrected. We have more diversity in character design and personality than ever before. Actually, the omegaverse scourge actually did one good thing, it separated all the het-lite enjoyers into their own box that I can conveniently ignore with one filtered tag.

No. 1966623

>>1966615
Nta but i see it a lot in doujinshi, i read a kawoshin doujin the other day and shinji was basically drawn with female nipples and had the stereotypical traits of a female character in ecchi. I thought I was reading some trashy josei smut for a second kek
This goes back to what the original anon said about people projecting their het onto gay ships, since they’re usually straight anyway

No. 1966625

>>1966620
damn these are some ugly designs. They look like they stream on twitch and are one week away from getting outed as groomers.

No. 1966631

>>1966623
>kawoshin
You search out for Shinji, who half the time is drawn shota, and are somehow surprised that's what you find?

No. 1966633

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>>1966625
Leave queen niyama alone

No. 1966635

>>1966620
nta but let's not pretend the majority isn't some tall older figure with a small and extremely more feminised male.

No. 1966636

>>1966620
Why does the guy on the right have pubes on his chin?

No. 1966637

>>1966585
nona i'm the anon you replied to, that wasn't me kek

No. 1966639

>>1966631
Even if what you’re saying about shinji is true (its not), why would anyone expect to see FEMALElike characters when they’re searching for shota? Are you the shotasperg?

No. 1966641

>>1966639
What? Look up Shinji on pixiv and come back with what you find. He's just that type of character.

No. 1966642

>>1966633
sorry i am just tired of the zoomer faggot faded mushroom haircut, and also facehair ugly.

No. 1966643

>>1966635
Go to bato, click yaoi, filter out omegaverse, look at the thumbnails and come back

No. 1966645

>>1966635
Clearly you haven't been reading recent BL either. These days even Korean BL has the big buff bottom

No. 1966647

>>1966639
shinji is 14yo, anon

No. 1966649

>>1966647
And art styles exists

No. 1966650

Oh boy I cant wait for fujos to derail this thread for the next 6 hours before crying to farmhands, we definitely haven't seen this song and dance before.

No. 1966651

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>>1966643
just did that and most of it just seems to be older taller male next to a feminized uke

No. 1966652

>>1966650
How late are you, this thread has been vomiting and shitting about fujos for the past several hours.

No. 1966653

>>1966649
How does that change anything? he's still a 14yo boy.

No. 1966656

>>1966651
If you don't know how to use the site, I can't help you

No. 1966658

>>1966653
don't bother they really won't even listen.

No. 1966661

>>1966647
>>1966653
Nta but shota is about the design, not actual age, or else people would call Asuka "loli" and call Honey from Ouran an adult

No. 1966666

>>1966660
EVA has always been a shotafag stapple, like gundam. I don't know why anon is so defensive about it.

No. 1966669

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I'm >>1966587 my posts wasn't exclusively about fujos, just that sexuality is something very much beyond our control, even the most porn brained pseduo-bisexual will still act accordingly to their actual sexuality. So when straight men or TIMs write "sapphic romancess" it's basically a porn-induced fantasy of foreplay, this extends to straight women as well, now we all know this happens with male slash which just recreates heterosexuality. But this also happens with femslash, If you go through any sort of AO3 fic of a popular female ship, you'll see that it's just a heterosexual relationship where one character has a magical penis or a super scientific strap-on that is also functionally a penis. It's not re-creating heterosexuality or applying heterosexual dynamics, it's just heterosexuality.

No. 1966670

>>1966661
The original was "half the time he's drawn shota" as in, he's a character that clearly has a specific type of fanbase that probably likes the type of stuff nonna has a problem with.

No. 1966671

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>>1966641
So where is the flood of shota, shotasperg?

No. 1966672

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>>1966661
but shinji does look like a shota. Asuka doesn't look like a 14yo and has the same body type as misato, but shinji does have the body of a 14yo and looks clearly underage next to the other male characters.

No. 1966673

>>1966623
I'm assuming you mean this doujin and I am confused with how you're suprised considering how Shinji is always drawn like this minus the fucked up nipples. Also why are you reading Eva shota nona?
>>1966650
Hasn't fujo derailing been most of this thread?
>>1966666
I didn't even know some people didn't think it was shota

No. 1966674

>>1966652
Ah so the victim act has already begun kek

No. 1966676

>>1966673
They derail every single thread

No. 1966677

>>1966671
>reeeeing about shotafags while defending cooming to a 14yo that has the body of a 14yo and acts like a 14yo
cant you find adult characters to coom stop and stop sperging when people call you out?

No. 1966679

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>>1966673
Dropped pic fml(shotasperging )

No. 1966680

>>1966671
I like how you didn't post the full page of the newest results.

No. 1966681

>>1966677
>changing topic and moving goalposts
Okay glad that’s settled then kek

No. 1966684

>>1966672
Official shinji looks nothing like a shota

No. 1966685

Not an evafag, but isn't Shinji's whole problem that he's a young boy being taken advantage of by an adult woman, forced to pilot a mech, and has daddy issues?

No. 1966687

>>1966669
Its too late, fujos want to derail now because 1 person said they had a different taste in something

No. 1966688

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>>1966684
did we watch the same anime? he has the body of a teen boy. He doesn't even have muscles like the average shounen 15yo male protagonist, he's literally built like a 14yo.

No. 1966689

>>1966685
Young boy ranges from anything under 18, whats your point? That doesnt mean they’re all shota

No. 1966690

>>1966688
Shota and teen boys are not the same thing you stupid fuck(shotasperging )

No. 1966691

>>1966685
Exactly, but some anons believe certain rules don't apply to them.
>>1966690
They are the same thing in the case of shinji(who IS a shota, dumb zoomie), you are cooming to a character with an underdeveloped body.

No. 1966692

>>1966669
you made this exact post before, didn't you

No. 1966693

>>1966650
and everytime we have a chance to move on from fujo discourse, it comes back again to torment us for even more hours.

No. 1966694

>>1966690
i won't post a pic of a random 14 years old boy to make a point but young teenage boys look like children, hollywood made us all forget what highschool KIDS look like

No. 1966695

>>1966691
kek zoomies are the ones calling any non-muscular character shota. shinji's proportions are closer to a clamp character if anything.

No. 1966697

>>1966693
Wish they would actually stick to their containment general or better yet, fujochan(fujo derail)

No. 1966698

>>1966695
he's shorter than the adult female characters

No. 1966699

>>1966693
Well they banned me for making 2 posts about JJK but let this go on for hours so thank the mods for this

No. 1966700

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>>1966689(derailing)

No. 1966705

no idea what started this argument but i've said it before in a different thread, shinji is seen as a shota in japan and is one of the characters who popularized the shota genre.

No. 1966706

>>1966699
You deserved it tbh

No. 1966707

>>1966705
Fuck off back to your containment general

No. 1966708

>>1966705
No way that's true.

No. 1966710

>>1966705
misato and shinji are an ''oneeshota'' ship too. Zoomers are retarded.

No. 1966711

>>1966705
wasn't it actually some character named Shotaro

No. 1966712

>>1966691
And yet zoomers are the ones screeching shota at anyone under 18 kek

No. 1966714

>>1966676
yea fujohaters do derail every thread

No. 1966717

>>1966712
did you even read the post before that? i said the average shounenshit protagonist who's 15 but has the body of a bodybuilder on meth isn't shota, but shinji has the body of a 14yo boy, is treated like a little boy, looks obviously underage next to adult male characters, and his ship with misate is considered straight shota.

No. 1966718

>>1966714
True fujos do indeed derail every single thread, just like right now

No. 1966719

Does Mob count as a shota?
I'd put the both of them in the same category, tbh.

No. 1966722

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No. 1966723

File: 1713311873201.jpg (90.76 KB, 1024x768, 1000014042.jpg)

Is this shotacon?

No. 1966724

>>1966717
You are a stupid braindead retard. Shinji is not, and will never be shota. I dont care about fanartists who shotafy him. In official art he is not drawn as a shota, and he does not act like a typical shota. No amount of your delusional cope will change this fact.

No. 1966727

>>1966723
no, that's yaoi with het dynamics and with an uke who's only a man on paper but a girl in bed

No. 1966728

Shotastacy here weighing in

We dont consider shinji a shota. Too old/mature looking(bait)

No. 1966729

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>>1966723
Ben-chan so kawaii~

No. 1966730

>>1966724
this is official art >>1966688 and he's drawn with the physique of an underage boy

No. 1966731

>>1966563
man when no one took this bait I thought we had finally moved past the fujo vs anti fujo wars but I guess not

No. 1966733

I mean…is Kaworu a shota?

No. 1966735

>>1966731
This is just fujomutt vs fujomutt tbh
At least its fun seeing monkeys chimp out at each other

No. 1966736

>>1966700
Clearly meant to be a normal adult man with an adult woman relationship.

No. 1966737

>>1966733
no he's the top so he gets to be a guy. shinji is basically a girl because he's so small and feminine

No. 1966738

>>1966517
I wasn’t implying that there aren’t. I just want to know what anons here think is a good het ship

No. 1966739

>>1966733
if theyre both shotas who's nonny supposed to argue is the psudo-woman???

No. 1966740

File: 1713312280549.jpeg (1.04 MB, 814x2560, 5r34566778.jpeg)

Lulu is underdeveloped, where does he fall into this?
>>1966733
Imo no, or at least no one calls him one. Is kawoshin like oniishota?

No. 1966744

>>1966722
whoah… you're one of those you are ACTUALLY retarded. How is this untranslated, unsourced piece of shit supposed to prove anything?

No. 1966745

File: 1713312343756.png (2.51 MB, 5890x3310, 10a2086b39a92b32fdd352f88742f5…)

>>1966740
He's too long so he a pseudo woman.

No. 1966746

>>1966733
I think shotas are made to look prepubescent, so I think highschool looking anime boys would be too old

No. 1966747

>>1966737
The only difference between shinji and kaworu's appearance is that kaworu is a bit taller. Either both of them are shota or neither is…ah, we've hit a roadblock in the argument

No. 1966748

>>1966740
But kaworu is also a young boy… so according to the retards here i guess he is a shota too kek

No. 1966753

>shinji is shorter than adult female characters
>has straight shota bait with misato
>has a skinny underdeveloped build
>looks clearly underage next to adult male characters
>''reeee he's not a shota stop calling me pedophile for being into a 14yo character that looks and acts like a 14yo here is another character that looks nothing like him!''
zoomers are delusional.

No. 1966754

There's three types of anime man:
>shota
>basically a woman
>ugly roidpig
In this case, kaworu would probably fall into "only a man on paper but is female".

No. 1966755

>>1966744
do you not know how to use the internet? it's from wikipedia and you can find the source in the footnotes. if you're trying to argue about japanese terms but don't know how to read japanese use google translate.

No. 1966757

>>1966615
i don't think it's really a problem anymore in bl since there's more variety in dynamics now but ukes definitely used to be written more like female anime characters than male ones. the stereotypical uke was closer to a shoujo romance protagonist (which isn't surprising because a lot of old yaoi reads like shoujo manga) than the pathetic loser type male characters like shinji or yuta jjk

No. 1966759

>>1966754
>shota
>basically a woman
wait, i thought the whole reason we were having this…discussion is because anons said shota looked too much like women or rather girls i guess

No. 1966761

>>1966753
Kaworu is the same age and has the same build though, how come he's not shota?
>>1966754
Kaworu is the one who tops though so that doesn't make sense.

No. 1966762

>>1966754
I never said that. I am a fujo myself, i am just not a retarded zoomer who can't understand context. I said there is a difference between shinji, who's clearly underveloped and the protagonist from bleach who's a skinny lean fit guy who doesn't have the body of a child.

No. 1966764

>>1966757
Ssshhh you’re not supposed to be honest here, only make dishonest arguments and lie nonna

No. 1966765

>>1966759
The difference is just height, really.

No. 1966767

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>>1966753
>characters that look nothing like eachother
They have the same body type, besides one being slightly taller

No. 1966770

>>1966761
It's a pseudo lesbian het dynamic.

No. 1966771

File: 1713312973797.jpg (9.03 KB, 164x308, images-1.jpg)

>>1966753
>average japanese teenage boy accordig to no life boomers

No. 1966772

File: 1713312974399.jpg (301.58 KB, 850x954, kaworu.jpg)

>>1966761
kaworu is way taller than shinji

No. 1966773

>>1966771
you actually sound so much like a shotafag. It's funny how despite saying you hate them you use the exact same arguments.

No. 1966774

>>1966772
that's like 1-2 inches minus the hair puffing, anon

No. 1966777

>>1966772
>way taller
There's like a centimeter difference in that pic kek. Since he can't be the shota despite basically being the same is Kaworu a pedo?

No. 1966778

>>1966774
and? he also has a more ''mature'' face. Meanwhile shinji was designed to look meek like a little boy. Funny how also all of you are ignoring the obvious straight shota bait with misato.

No. 1966783

>>1966778
Are you seriously arguing that the angle of the eyes on super simplified animu faces is what determines whether a character is a shota or not?

No. 1966786

>>1966773
i hate shota, i hate bl tbh, i never read one even, but you sound dumb af. Portraying teenage boys as slim and short is not pedo bait. I think you're claiming shinji is shota and not kaworu because shinji is shy, introverted and clumsy, which are all "female" traits. And this all comes down to the say arguments as misogynistic anime fans who don't see shinji as a good male protagonist because he isn't a buff teenage boy. Jesus let characters, even male ones, be vulnerable

No. 1966787

>>1966778
Nta but they all have sameface syndrome to me tbh. By that logic Kaworu is a pedophile too just like Misato.

No. 1966789

>>1966787
How is Misato a pedo if Shinji isn't a young boy?

No. 1966791

File: 1713313624060.jpg (89.39 KB, 628x436, 1712962095581903.jpg)

daily reminder that 2d is not 3d despite how badly you want it to be. animu faces do not map up to reality even slightly

No. 1966792

>still none of you can adress the obvious straight shota bait with misato

No. 1966794

>>1966791
now you are just using lolishotafag ''its not real life they are cartoons'' arguments

No. 1966797

>>1966789
How is Kaworu not a pedo if Shinji is a young boy but he isn't?

No. 1966801

>>1966786
Didn't this entire discussion start because nonnas didn't like these traits in bl?

No. 1966802

>>1966786
i never said those are female traits, none of the eva females have those traits even. I said he's a shota because he has the body of a little boy.
>>1966797
nta but you know a teen dating another teen isnt pedophilia right?

No. 1966804

>>1966792
do you think she was kissing him because she was genuinely attracted to kids or was it so he would hop in the robot and save the world?

No. 1966805

>>1966797
Is Kaworu human to begin with? I thought he was some angel or something, and then he dies after almost turning Shinji gay.

No. 1966806

>>1966804
shhhh, no nuance allowed

No. 1966807

>>1966802
Kaworu isn't a teenager though, he's an angel

No. 1966808

>>1966685
>>1966700
>>1966792
>will someone please think of the poor animu bishies getting abyoosed by the evil groomer hags!!!!
respectfully seek help for your pickeism

No. 1966809

>>1966804
it literally doesn't matter because it's still obvious straight shota bait but you fags while deny it to the end because it hurts your feefees to be compared to the same people you guys say you hate, while also using the same lolishota arguments of ''its a cartoon, its not real life reee''

No. 1966810

File: 1713314027612.png (149.08 KB, 1566x496, end of discussion.png)

Now that AI is so easily available i think we shouldn't have that kind of arguments again, let the machines decide
>>1966792
EoE is a big mess, it's a satire of evangelion's fans yes, even the hospital scene which is a parallel beteween anime fans jerking off to hentai (aka non consenting characters) and shinji jerking off to asuka so everything within the movie is to be analysed. Shinji is not a shota because he was saed by a grown irresponsible woman

No. 1966812

>>1966802
But kaworu isn't considered shota like shinji is, since he looks older and more developed. So a non-shota with a shota equals…

No. 1966813

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No. 1966814

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>>1966804
What do you think he was thinking about when they animated it?

No. 1966815

>>1966810
I knew it. Shinji is too old to be shota.

No. 1966816

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>>1966813
thank fuck end my misery already

No. 1966817

>>1966816
That's the 100 posts left reminder, nona…

No. 1966819

>>1966815
He doesn't even look like 99% of shota characters, he's like three leg sizes too big I don't get it

No. 1966821

>>1966814
There's a big rumor out there that he actually based Kaworu on a fellow senpai coworker that he really admired (guy was skilled or sum) and that the kiss were his true feelings about him, I think he might be bi but oh well that's up to Moyocco to find out

No. 1966823

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No. 1966826

i'm on neither side but the recent shift on how the average lc users view shota is interesting. i remember not so long ago nobody really cared

No. 1966827

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>>1966815
>>1966810
Cry about it
Fujos arent pedos(shotasperging )

No. 1966831

>>1966819
Yeah his limbs are way too long

No. 1966832

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No. 1966834

>>1966826
Huh? That is a lie, and I say this as a shotafag. At least nowadays I can find a few anons to talk about it in passing with but back then if I merely mentioned liking a damn teenage character i’d get a bunch of seething and sometimes ban

No. 1966836

>>1966791
KEKKK I step away from this thread for 30 minutes and I'm met with this masterpiece

No. 1966837

I'm reminded of that one anon who kept insisting Kirito was a shota in the anime thread a few days ago kek

No. 1966838

>>1966826
It doesn't matter to me if people like Shinji, but him being a young, naive, and submissive was intended in the story and lots of fan artists like him due to those traits and exaggerate them in their art.

No. 1966839

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No. 1966840

>>1966827
Those are flashback scenes when Shinji was an actual child. Did you even watch it

No. 1966841

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>>1966827
>uses twitter post with 500 likes as evidence

No. 1966843

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>>1966837
I mean, if you see the fan art he gets, it does leave a certain impression.(shotasperging )

No. 1966846

>>1966843
that is not what most of his fan art looks like wtf kek

No. 1966847

>>1966839
So if Kaworu was drawn with girly eyes, you'd call him shota too?

No. 1966848

>>1966840
Exactly, flashbacks to when he was a shota. Which older shinji isnt.
>>1966841
Yeah, its the biggest shota account around. Not a very popular fetish tbh

No. 1966849

>>1966847
does kaworu also have obvious straight shota bait scenes with adult female characters?

No. 1966850

File: 1713314907486.jpg (82.3 KB, 640x799, KIRITO_PLEASE.jpg)

>>1966846
First page of google results.
Fwiw, I think pic related is official merch.

No. 1966851

>>1966832
>>1966722
so did shota have a different definition back then? just "young boy" and not "super duper young boy that looks borderline toddler"

No. 1966852

>>1966827
>Cry about it

Why? I'm not a fujo or shotacon

No. 1966853

>>1966849
Shota is not about the character's scenes or story, it's about how the character looks.

No. 1966854

>>1966850
anons will be attracted to the bodies of underdeveloped little boys then cry when they are called pedos. Not a single muscle in sight.

No. 1966856

>>1966854
>attracted to the bodies of underdeveloped little boys
its……… a drawing

No. 1966857

>>1966850
that's a twink

No. 1966859

Is shotafag already here? I feel like this is her showtime.

No. 1966862

>>1966853
and shinji looks underdeveloped like a little boy, so? why are you even attracted to the body of a little boy, again he doesn't have the skinny lean but fit body type of a bishie, he just looks like a little boy
>>1966856
so, when its a shota then its pedophilia but when its shota you like then its a drawing reee.

No. 1966863

>>1966858
i have no interest in shinji i just realize that liking a teenage character =/= being attracted to the bodies of little boys

No. 1966865

>>1966858
>and shinji looks underdeveloped like a little boy, so?
But Kaworu has the same body type, why doesn't anyone call him shota?

No. 1966866

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>>1966857
That's why I said "fwiw" but I'd say it's pretty similiar to Ceil's body type, who I thought was a shota? Is he not?

No. 1966867

>>1966866
change his hair and he looks exactly like shinji

No. 1966868

>>1966821
Senpai would have been Kunihiko Ikuhara then

No. 1966869

>>1966850
why is there official lewd art of kirito ? SAO is so obviously for men, i don't know a single woman who finds him attractive. Who is this for ?

No. 1966871

>>1966869
SAO was popular among everyone when it aired

No. 1966872

File: 1713315513872.png (729.39 KB, 886x592, lol lmao even.png)

>>1966866
lol they look exactly the same(shotasperging )

No. 1966874

>>1966856
Gtfo with this scrote sentiment. ew.

No. 1966876

>>1966869
The novels make him cutesy and have bait between him and another male character where they tickle fight, sleep together, and die in each other's arms and shit.

No. 1966878

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>>1966851
I don't know about that. I think it always included both young boys and really young boys.(shotasperging )

No. 1966879

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>>1966867
do you people feel like there shouldn't be anime characters under 18 ? Because it just feels like it doesn't matter how the characer is portrayed, if he's underage, he's a shota and liking his character means you're a pedo. Are dragon ball fans shotacon because they like goku in the first season ?

No. 1966880

File: 1713315699440.gif (3.58 MB, 228x170, aa5.gif)

>>1966856
>its……… a drawing

No. 1966882

>>1966879
Is there really no difference to you between liking a character that's under 18 and drawing/looking at pornography of them? really?

No. 1966885


No. 1966886

>>1966880
>>1966874
i really need you to understand that liking shinji ikari is not the same as being attracted to the irl bodies of little boys as >>1966854 would claim(shotasperging )

No. 1966887

>>1966882
kek i forgot this is where this started
while i'm at it >>1966856 is weird and as someone who loves shinji as a character and loves in a wholesome way, again i never read yaoi kawoshin, i do not associate with this post

No. 1966890

>>1966856
But why can't lolicons use that defense?

No. 1966893

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>>1966879
liking an underage character who has the body of an underage boy does make you a pedo. Ichigo is 15 but no one would call you a pedo if you said you liked him because he doesn't have the body of a little boy. He looks like a grown adult.

No. 1966894

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>>1966872
>>1966850
Same age as well. I'd count Mob in this group too, whichever case it is.(shotasperging )

No. 1966895

>>1966886
Just curious, do you feel the same way about males that are attracted to underage anime girls/lolis?

No. 1966898

Well, I don't recall posting suggestive shinji pics ever getting a ban on this site so I guess he isn't one according to farmhands

No. 1966900

>>1966894
why does nobody ever include kaworu even though he has the same body type

No. 1966901

>>1966898
only porn gets banned

No. 1966903

>>1966901
Nah I've seen that too, it doesn't get banned, unless it's in the wrong thread or unspoilered or something

No. 1966904

>>1966893
>He looks like a grown adult
i gets that but it's a shame that teenagers can't look like, well teenagers. Both hollywood and animes make highschoolers look like grown adult which in my opinion,is pedobait to
>it's ok if you're attarcted to this teenage girls with huge boobs and full face of makeup, she looks like an adult

No. 1966906

>>1966900
>same physique
he's taller.(shotasperging )

No. 1966907

>>1966900
He's his own archetype of "gay grey haired alien boy that tries to make the mc also gay"

No. 1966908

>>1966906
no he's not, we've been over this

No. 1966909

>>1966890
I don't get this either. I know and agree that men are worse than women when it comes to actual acts of pedophilia. Way worse. However, I don't think that negates how creepy it is and how being a shotacon woman is just as creepy as a lolicon man and the very glaring fact that if you do get off to such content, fictional or not, you do have to be aware that you do have some pedophilic leaning tendencies. I don't really care if it's moralfagging, I just wish more people were honest instead of hiding behind fifteen layers of irony and 'no u's.

No. 1966910

>>1966900
he doesn't act like a child, his eyes are less cutesy and compared to shinji he looks older

No. 1966911

File: 1713316508674.jpg (186.53 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg)

Not sure if this fits but EVNs with Jeff the Killer parallels are the funniest shit to me.

No. 1966912

>>1966910
try to say it with me
>you have a good point, i have no arguments so i won't try to make up ones on the spot

No. 1966913

>>1966909
Agreed. Too many shotacons off lolcow also openly buddy up with lolifags, so fuck them.

No. 1966914

>>1966912
nta but the fact you are resorting to lolicon arguments like ''he's just a drawing'' kinda proves our point. Kaworu does look more mature next to shinji and let's be honest, even as a fujo, we know he's the seme because he looks older and more mature.

No. 1966915

>>1966869
Kirito x Eugeo is pretty popular in Japan (a lot of long running harem series eventually introduce a token gay guy for the fujos).

No. 1966917

>>1966862
>and shinji looks underdeveloped like a little boy, so?
He's definitely one down there…if you read the manga you'd know.

No. 1966919

>>1966910
>>1966914
since he looks and acts older, is kawoshin seen as a predatory ship? i just don't understand why nobody sees it as the same as oneeshota ships involving shinj. it's not consistent.

No. 1966920

>>1966865
Because he's the seme and has a male voice, typically in doujins he gets depicted with a pretty big dick too.

No. 1966923

>>1966909
I also think female shotacons are creepy but I don't see them as disgusting subhumans on the same level as lolicon moids because one of those groups is 10000% more likely to have cp on their hard drive

No. 1966925

I don't really care about art moralfagging, you like Shinji good for you, I just think there's enough similairity between him and the other examples that are generally agreed upon to fall into the "shota" group.
Genshin too, the "shota" (well, I don't know if they would count or not here but I see them sometimes called that) are that similiar body type, at least imo.
Are they actually more of a twink? Is there an inbetween?

No. 1966929

>>1966914
can we make falsely identifying anons a bannable offense ? i'm tired of farmers using others people words against me
>>1966915
kek what the fuck ?

No. 1966930

>>1966925
this all started because some kawoshinfag was complaining that shinji looked too ''female'' in a doujin, so it's hilarious she's getting this pissed off at anons pointing out that shinji looks like a little boy.

No. 1966932

>>1966925
except for the toddler-looking characters that are obviously shota i think the only main difference is whether the character acts like an adult. like I wouldn't consider enstars shota but most of the characters are probably built like shinji. i don't the average anime high school boy shota either. maybe it's vibes-based

No. 1966933

>>1966925
>Genshin
Not a good example. There are only two male body types and the smaller one is shared between older and younger characters

No. 1966934

File: 1713317174216.jpg (455.51 KB, 1500x1061, yande.re 573506 sample eugeo k…)

>>1966929
>kek what the fuck?
You don't like homo time with Eugeo and Kirito?

No. 1966937

>>1966930
>Getting mad that Shinji looks like a girl
Did they forget about the game where Shinji canonically resembles his mom so much that Fuyutski jacks off in front of him?

No. 1966939

>>1966937
what the fuck is that kek

No. 1966940

>>1966939
Did you think EVA was normal?

No. 1966941

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>>1966939
Shinji becoming fapbait for a horny old man.(shotasperging )

No. 1966943

>>1966937
if only we had an official eva eroge

No. 1966944

>>1966925
>I just think there's enough similairity between him and the other examples that are generally agreed upon to fall into the "shota" group
I still think his limbs and height are way too long than any shota character in existence to count. If he really counts then Kawoshin should be called a pedo ship from now on.(shotasperging )

No. 1966945

>>1966943
I mean there kinda is…?
>there's a strip poker game where you see pretty much every member of the cast naked (yes including Gendo).
>girlfriend of steel has boobs at the end, but nothing gay

No. 1966947

>>1966934
kek at the idea of fujo enduring years of shitty harem anime in hope to find a new boring ship
>>1966937
evangelion games are all trash, there is one where shinj can date his female version. Being an eva fan is so hard sometime. It's 3 am, i want to go to sleep but i have to fight yaoi fans and middle age japanese men with a weird fetish and the money to make games because i deeply identified to a cartoon when i was 14. fuck

No. 1966949

>>1966947
>kek at the idea of fujo enduring years of shitty harem anime in hope to find a new boring ship
There's a re zero fujo like this who would post about how cute Subaru was.

No. 1966950

>>1966944
he looks exactly like ciel >>1966872

No. 1966954

>>1966950
Honestly the peak shota body type.

No. 1966956

>>1966932
>>1966933
Yeah, I guess vibes are pretty important. Rather, I'm just going to stear clear of saying shit because you never know.
>>1966947
There's Shield Hero fujos in it for a years long wait yandere madohomu style ship

No. 1966960

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wtf, are you guys arguing if shinji is a shota?

No. 1966962

>>1966950
Nope, he's taller than Ciel >>1966767

No. 1966963

>>1966960
This thread's full of twitterfags

No. 1966968

>>1966962
I Googled it for fun (might not be 100% legit but whatever)
>Ciel is 152 cm
>Shinji is 148 cm

No. 1966983

>>1966947
It's weird, it's more of a wait than say, JJK, but then there's better rewards. Imagine if JJK had similiar bedtime snuggling, or if it got a scene where Geto and Gojo jump on top of each other and tickle fight.

No. 1966988

>>1966968
Japanese anime weight and height measurements never make sense tbh

No. 1966990

>>1966913
Yeah I don't get this shift into coddling them when cows have been historically mocked for liking that crap

No. 1966992

>>1966859
Yep, just look at this >>1966878 obviously it's her. Should had been permabanned

No. 1966993

>>1966947
>>1966949
>>1966956
How is this remotely surprising when we're talking about Eva, a harem anime with the biggest archetypal waifus? If people couldn't get through the waifubait of Asuka and Rei we wouldn't be having this shitflinging to begin with.

No. 1966994

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No. 1966996

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>>1966994
finally i am almost free…

No. 1967000

>>1966988
>he's taller than ciel!
>gets proven wrong
>i-it doesnt matter anyway
retard

No. 1967004

File: 1713319830962.png (34.1 KB, 921x151, manlet.png)

>>1966968
>Ciel is taller than Kaworu
I don't know how to feel about this.

No. 1967007

>>1967004
Now this is bullshit. It must be Ciel's shoes doing all the work.

No. 1967015

>>1967004
>>1966968
All of them shorter than Elizabeth, fucking manlets

No. 1967017

>>1967004
I didn't realize he was such a manlet wtf



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