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No. 2037097
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/1894283>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/1991983Relevant /snow/ threads:
>>>/snow/1987643 (MTF general)
>>>/snow/1984807 (FTM general)
Gender critical in /ot/ resurrection edition!
This thread is a spiritual successor to
https://lolcow.farm/2X/, a now hidden board that includes further discussions on this topic.
(do not post threads until the old one reaches the post limit) No. 2037882
>>2037097>(do not post threads until the old one reaches the post limit)Huh? Then what is the
>Thread has reached 1100 posts. The thread will be locked and you will be unable to post in it shortly after it exceeds 1200 posts. Please begin preparing a new thread and post a link to it when it's created.message for?
What rule am I breaking here?
No. 2037902
>>2037882Oh
nonnie, you're a massive newfag and should have lurked more before starting to make threads but you only make a new thread once the thread reaches 1200 posts. At 1200 posts there's still a bit of time where you can post the link to the new thread.
No. 2038958
>>2038313I don't know why but TiM-on-TiF crime and DV just makes me especially sad and angry. TiFs have even less tools to make sense of it or discuss it than the average woman.
Things like this reminds me of a trend in my country where old 'alt' TiMs (punk, goth, marginal politics, whatever niche they belong to) will often date really young/minor TiFs and the occasional young TiM. There are social scenes where the default couple is some crumbling autogynephile in a latex miniskirt and a prey-eyed runaway teenager with SH scars. I wish i was exaggerating but i'm not. I know just enough about these scenes to have heard of them, and as expected so much of these TiMs are pedophiles who gravitate towards women who try (unvoluntarily or not) to look like young boys or actual male teenagers. It sounds like a cruel joke, or a particularly bad south park episode where the punchline is some club where pedophiles and teens hang out together
No. 2039181
Like twink death, lesbian death exists
No. 2039184
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>>2039181samefag. someone wake me up from this nightmare please dear god I know none of this life is real
No. 2039196
>>2039181she's actually quite hot but holy shit that hairstyle is horrible, grow it out and get a shaggy cut or do a proper undercut
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>>2039196I busted out laughing when I saw that. Peewee Herman looking ass
No. 2039454
>>2039199Weird how they always go for the hyperviolent games like Dasaku (which has a serial killer troon protagonist) filled with snuff shit.
They should really be playing Fraternite if they want to see a stunning and brave faggot get groomed into cutting his own dick off.
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this is from a video where andrew tate states that he would rather sleep with a TIM who looked like Megan Fox rather than a TIF who looked like hulk hogan and any man who says that he would have piv sex with the tif is actually gay. Of course, the replies and qrts are filled with troons and libfems unironically agreeing with him and calling him based
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maybe there's hope for libs
No. 2040031
>>2040023The more exposure to troon ideology, the more questions normies have to tangle with. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, when all you saw was one or two sadsack HSTS on MSNBC talking about how wearing a wig made them see life as worth living…you think sure, whatever, they’re not hurting anyone. But once your daughter wants to start taking testosterone or the guy you
knew was a horndog pervert starts claiming he is actually a woman…if you’re not retarded you start to wonder.
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For curiositiies sake I tried to make a C.ai Terf that would be easily searchable, but loaded with rational answers to certain common buzzwords. Nothing inflammatory, just basic things like "being a trans girls isn't wearing a dress, boys can wear dresses too!"
I've been trying it out and even the most innocuous question will give the "AI GENERATED A REPLY THAT DOESN'T MEET OUR GUIDELINES". I'm not asking anything remotely nsfw, just being vaguely gc to a bot I've programmed to be gc, and the filter still catches it. It's bizzare.
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>>2040226This is what happens when only tranny tech devs get to hand select data they stole from spying on citizens and buying it from third parties. They are content when picrel happens but god forbid you make fun of men in dresses, scawieeee
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>>2040217In that case she's pretending to be two people KEK
No. 2040738
>>2039865I’m here. I’m not the trashy alien anon.
Been reading a lot. Tbh pretty fucked up about it all, especially after actually reading a wider range of feminist writings instead of just relying on the libfem takes I was getting from my general friend group.
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>>2040534Literally. That troon who goes around stuffing his face on tiktok and screaming at waitstaff is being discussed on twitter again, and the line seems to be that if they'd dare to call a full grown man a 'he', they must also be screaming racial slurs at full volume or something. Just narcissists trying to squeeze themselves into any and all opressed niches to confirm their persecution complexes.
No. 2041211
>>2041189I take a "centrist" approach and word it nicely. I tolerate it, I use their words, but I don't go out of my way to lovebomb about how they're a "real" version of what they identify as. People can be factually wrong and still not be bad people. I know a lot of GCs hate that, but I still exist in society and it's not feasible to have no friends outside of anonymous spaces, so I have to go halfsies sometimes. Ex. "They're
valid but have different issues from people born male/female", "there should be 'cis' woman spaces and trans-only spaces", "people can do whatever they want with their bodies but there's risks for kids" and often namedrop detrans youtubers who are more moderate/truscum on gender issues. I dunno. I've had religious friends who believed in creationism but didn't try to convert me, so I had to just not talk about it. If tolerating them and being centrist about it isn't good enough for them, I just drop ties or make excuses to not talk anymore.
No. 2041801
>>2041189Be completely normal with them. Don't change how you act around them, don't shit talk them to the rest of the family because that's absolutely going to bite you in the ass, and don't change your own life to fit their retarded ideas of gender no matter how much of a stink they make about it. When they inevitably try to discuss their retardation with you, give short, simple answers that they don't necessarily want to hear but which can't be taken as twansphobic. Eg, if they ask you why you wear blue jeans instead of a pink mini dress with BIMBO on the tits, point out that everyone wears jeans and you've never worn anything close to an outfit like the one they're describing. If they ask you if you'd ever date a troon, say you can't tell who you'd date unless you knew the person, because being a gendie doesn't automatically mean you're compatible. Ideally, don't be alone with the gendie, always have someone else with you that the gendie has decided is a safe person and someone that you know will back you up.
They'll change. Most of them detrans after 7 years, some hold on longer out of spite or desperation, some detrans quite quickly, some desist without doing more than playing pretend with their friends and families. Pushing back might make them more likely to prove their transness by getting surgeries or going on hormones sooner than they planned to, and that's a path to the 41%. Grey rock them as hard as possible when they start talking about gender shit. Depending on what sort of relationship you have with the person, you could document their descent into the cult and then show them how far they've fallen. For example, you could film yourself asking everyone in your family what three things they're most thankful for on Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years, then compile it into a single video and share it with the family. Because troons live in delusion, seeing themselves (looking and sounding like their real gender, with no filters) talking only about gender shit while everyone else has meaningful things to say can help to snap them out of it, if they're not completely entrenched in the cult. I've done similar things with friends who've been swallowed up by MLMs and it's worked- since it's the same cult mindset it'll probably work for troons too, especially since they'll be able to see and hear themselves the same way everyone else does.
The most important thing is to be accepting and kind. Don't encourage them, but make it clear that they matter a lot to you no matter what, and if they start to come back from the brainwashing, hold back on saying how you're glad they're out of the woods. A lot of cult survivors double down on their bullshit if they start to doubt themselves and are met with 'the haters', if you're non-judgemental and detached they'll probably see you as someone they can talk to safely.
No. 2041864
>>2041847I suppose it depends on what you mean by “exist”. They claim that we don’t want them to exist but what do they mean by that? It often sounds like they’re implying we want them killed, but I think it’s more accurate to say we just don’t want them to exist legally as women. We don’t want to be compelled to play along with their delusions. And we don’t want to be punished for speaking basic facts like sex cannot be changed and really, really wanting to be something does not actually make you that thing.
I’m curious when you say you think being trans is real but rare, could you elaborate? Because even in the case that someone was experiencing genuine dysphoria over their sex, that doesn’t make them the opposite sex. And I don’t see why I should be obligated to treat them as such. I’d only do so out of pity anyway, like entertaining a demented persons gibberish because they’re old and dying anyway and there’s no sense in upsetting them. I view them like any other person suffering from delusional thinking. I’m somewhat sympathetic, but not enough to give them any ounce of authority. In no other circumstance would any credible professional encourage a delusional person’s beliefs, even to the point of surgical intervention. So why is this the exception?
For me personally, of course trans people exist. They just don’t exist as the gender they are trying to mimic.
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>>2041847The ONLY way that could be possible is if a boy was raised entirely by women, treated exactly the same (psychological scarring, emotional, physical, etc.), never exposed to any men, and never exposed to any outside media that would influence him. And even then I don't think it would work. Biology dictates our behavior, whether we like it or not. (Why else would women post ugly scrotes when they're ovulating kek)
No. 2041873
>>2041864pardon me, I guess I just meant "exist" in the sense that they live and are acknowledged as men/women, the sex they desire to be.
there are trans people where you genuinely wouldn't be able to tell, or don't make it their entire personalities. They don't think about it that hard and it comes to them naturally.
To me idk, because I see cis people put on a performative view of gender just as much as any trans person would. (cosmetic surgeries, over the top clothes, etc..)
I think people see it as fashion, when in fact it's something that a person can deeply struggle with. They're hopping on to the trend because its not cool to be cis or white or whatever, and they're not thinking of the logistics they're just seeing the approval of their peers.
No. 2041895
>>2041873>cis people put on a performative view of gender just as much as any trans person would. (cosmetic surgeries, over the top clothes, etc..)anon, if i can change your mind about a single thing let it be this one: i know this argument is probably just one you've seen in TRA circles, but claiming that cosmetic surgery can be "gender affirming" for "cis" women is probably one of the most evil arguments i've ever seen in my life and should qualify as peaking material in and of itself. cosmetic surgery for women is a vile, predatory industry built on constantly siphoning money out of women for ever-changing trends at the cost of their own health. the fact that this could ever in a million years be viewed as "gender affirming" is a sign of a deeply, deeply fucked up and misogynistic society. it's also rather strange how men aren't the ones sinking tens of thousands into "empowering" cosmetic surgery, or wearing "over the top clothes" (probably bonefucking heels, asbestos facepaint, etc.), they're just existing in their natural state with comfortable clothes. is that really the view we want to push? that womanhood is artificial, uncomfortable, a risk to health, while men get to enjoy themselves as human beings? we should be moving away from the conceptions that stereotypes = gender, not encouraging it just because it's already happening. if what i said isn't enough, then please give
https://archive.ph/TPeDf this post a read, from someone with firsthand experience debunking this claim. read this, and tell me if the people out there seriously arguing that cosmetic surgery is "gender affirming" can really be trusted to have anyone's best interests at heart.
No. 2041896
>>2041847The problem with transgender existing as a concept is that it puts women in cages. So while the definition of a woman is a adult human female, the existence of transwomen claims that is false, that instead a woman is boobs, makeup, dress, long hair, and sexual submission. So you then run into the problem of, what if an adult human female doesn't do one of those things? Is a woman with a mastectomy not a woman? What about a woman who doesn't wear make up or dresses? By telling women that we are a series of characteristics that is constantly changing, you are saying that any woman that does not conform isn't a woman. So the very existence of transwomen relies on stereotypes.
I think I would be way more okay if everyone was treated like this. So if I was able to say that I'm black because I love collecting sneakers, eating fried chicken, and listening to rap music and I could then use me identifying as black to receive black only scholarships or business grants. Or if I said I identify as a dolphin, and so the government legally had to provide me with a saltwater tank and anyone who said I wasn't a dolphin would receive death threats and would lose their job and be arrested.
No. 2041901
>>2041895
>claiming that cosmetic surgery can be "gender affirming" for "cis" women is probably one of the most evil arguments i've ever seen in my lifethat's not what I said. I never said that it was gender affirming I said that's what they sometimes do. My point was that I'm afraid of the possibility that people are confusing obnoxious people with trans people, or grifters wanting to be trans.
Certainly the surgical industry can be disgusting, but that just supports my argument of the medical industry pushing this on people for profit.
Are there not trans people that don't dress stereotypically? Because I've seen those myself. I mean they're trans obv but are just in a shirt and jeans or something.
No. 2041907
>>2041901Nta, but I would like to know what you mean by a real trans person and what do you define as a grifter.
Because what I've seen so far is lesbians that confuse being stone butches with wanting to be a moid and ugly moids not knowing how to cope with being ugly by assuming that because they're not what kind of moid they wanted to be, that they must be women now.
Greentext to me the characteristics of a trve trans and a grifter.
No. 2041911
>>2041895>>2041906Samefag and even if we all lived in a genderless world there would still be people who see the other sex and want to physically look like it. At that point that’s their own autonomy to do that, even if it hurts them, and the lack of gender will make it so they don’t have to change their personality to do that. So that’s a harm reduction positive for trans in a gender abolition society.
I obviously think that wanting to chop off your dick is a mental illness, if someone feels suicidal over their body parts, it’s not the body parts, it’s their mental illness at play. I wish there was actual research on it, but obv big pharma capes for trans shit because it makes them money. They get to castrate mentally ill people and make buck, while the said mentally ill people feel like it’s working. The suicide rate is so high because it’s obviously not HRT or surgeries that fixes their mental state, it’s probably something deeper. Inb4 “41% bc they are opressed and people hate them” how come black peoples suicide rate aren’t that high. Disabled people. Immigrants. They’re just as opressed. It’s because these are literal basket cases. Big pharma cannot lose the trans grift because if they were to actually cure and heal their mental illness, they no longer get their cash cow life long patients. I think the whole idea of transitioning people with gender dysphoria is evil, it’s just fucking up already mentally ill people. I am anti transgender ideology BECAUSE I care about those suffering from it, not in spite of them.
No. 2041916
>>2041906Forgive me for taking so long to respond, it's just some terms are kind of lost on me. I didn't go to school for sociology and a lot of this stuff is also new to my understanding (also this board).
I can't tell if you're arguing for or against a gender caste system because the freedom from gender to me sounds more inline with the trans theory. If we're going merely by sex at birth then that's pretty concrete. Are you trying to say science should be placed above all else? Because I mean, I see that.
No. 2041931
>>2041901NTAYRT, I really don't know how you can believe in the grifter thing in 2024. There is no such thing as a 'real' trans (which is what is implied by the existence of a trans grifter) because it is a lie. You can't live a 'real' lie. We entertain lies all the time out of simple convenience or sympathy. It's a useful social ability to have but it's not conducive to finding truth.
Gay men might have mannerisms and attitudes that come naturally (i presume you're picturing this kind of trans person who appears 'feminine' even without fem clothes or pronouns). But they are male nonetheless, with average traits that correlate to their male sex and socialization (a big one would be how they relate to sex, despite claims of just wanting a normie hetero marriage). The rest, for whom it does
not come naturally make up something like 80% of troons per studies (likely even more nowadays). Same thing for TiFs, except it's even more pronounced since so-called FtMs were practically unheard of for a long time.
> freedom from gender to me sounds more inline with the trans theoryThe bulk of trans theory isn't interested in abolishing the caste, they're interesting in things like 'playing' with norms, getting sexual pleasure out of it, twisting legal norms to let in members of a certain sex or the other, and highlighting how they get to be 'part of' a sex (an inborn thing) because they resemble the castes' norms. It's all about word and performance games. And most of them fail at the game when it comes to 'passing'. Constantly.
If you look up prominent trans theorists, from published ones to anonymous ranters online, you will find plenty of takes that align perfectly with conventional, regressive or pornogrpahic conceptions of men and women. And even if trans people were a congregation of utopian gender abolitionists (which they aren't), most of their fights in the 'real' world reinforce the caste system. Starting with support for cosmetic surgery as necessity, pornography, the silencing of women etc. You judge a movement by what it does, not the excuses it finds when criticized.
No. 2041952
>>2041847I don't believe in "true trans" and have never found good evidence for someone being truly born in the wrong body outside of anecdotal reports of someone "feeling" that way since childhood (which can be for a multitude of reasons). Transmedicalism is a sound concept on the surface, but the more I read about "the criteria" for being "true trans" it's just repackaged homophobia and gender roles. I still have trans-identified people in my life and have been an ally for most of my life until recently (ironically my allyship led to peaking), so I try to be more moderate than most users here but I just can't believe that someone is "meant" to be the opposite sex. My main issue with transgenderism is that it's gone from being a minority to having a complete chokehold on LGB and women's movements. Trying to "get rid of" transgenderism is about as possible as getting rid of religion or conspiracy theorists, but they shouldn't have so much power.
>>2041873>I just meant "exist" in the sense that they live and are acknowledged as men/women, the sex they desire to be.Just because they have the right choose that lifestyle doesn't entitle others to "see" them like that. Gay people don't need to be "seen" as gay to exist, so why do trans people have to be validated and acknowledged or else? Can't they just have their sense of self without it being reinforced?
>I see cis people put on a performative view of gender just as much as any trans person wouldI actually agree with this, but trans is just a symptom of that problem.
>I think people see it as fashion, when in fact it's something that a person can deeply struggle with. They're hopping on to the trend because its not cool to be cis or white or whatever, and they're not thinking of the logistics they're just seeing the approval of their peers.You're so close to getting it.
No. 2041956
>>2041189>I fear I'll insult themYou'll be insulting them by having even the slightest doubts about their plans and conduct, so you might as well go all the way.
What is even wrong with you? Is that person going to kill you for criticising them? Being rude to your family shows that you're close, unlike with strangers.
No. 2041974
>>2041847No, there is no world in which a person is another sex than they are, just like there is no person who is a black white person, or a cat and human being at the same time. You are what you are.
Obviously 'trans people' exist, as in people who call themselves trans and mutilate their bodies in a variety of ways in order to ape the opposite sex, it's not like they don't exist but they're not the opposite sex.
No. 2042002
>>2037097>>2041916also apologizing for my late response
As the other
nonnie put, no, transgender ideology is not freedom from the cast system as their idea of “freeing the cast system” is just changing what sex does what. IG males trying to fit into the female cast, ect. The issue with the cast system obviously is that it imposes personality traits (e.g girls like pink as a simple example) but also serves to keep women subservient and prone to male violence. Any sort of endorsement of this cast (e.g something as little as affirming girls like pink) is upholding it. If a TIM were to say he is a woman because he fits into the cast system, say this TIM has suffered abuse from men for instance to make this more extreme, that is backwards because why would you want to be apart of the cast system that is hurting you and others. The logical thing to do is to disavow the cast system and live your life outside of it, so live your life as your sex and don’t deny that reality while staying out of the cast system.
I tried to be nuanced with my examples but reality is, most troon logic is very simple and glaringly sexist/pro gender cast system. “Im a woman bc I played with my my moms heels and makeup” “I’m a gay man because I’ve always felt different from other girls”. I always think of Hunter Schaffers manefisto that plainly said “my gender is informed by the need to be abused by men” or something like that. troons are explicitly playing into and upholding the gender cast system.
No. 2042021
>>2041931Samefagging just to add to the 'actions, not claims' part. Is anyone else frustrated with the relative lack of discussion around trans lobbying and its history, in favor of discussing 'queer theory' and popular TRA talking points? The fact that the core of the trans movement is a bunch of highly focused fetishistic moids (some of which are extremely rich) is the single most important factor in all of this, all the gender woo is post-hoc justification. Debunking it feels good and is necessary, but it misses a larger picture. There is a blatant connection between pro-porn/exploitation activism and trans ideology, often the people in 'Society For The Acceptance of Zoophilia and BDSM' were also in the local transvestite club. It's why they have a vested interest in hijacking feminism since any kind of serious feminism would oppose porn/prostitution/objectification, which is what troondom essentially rests on. Gluck made this point in a podcast with Murphy so i was happy someone with a pretty big following pointed this problem out. I was reading about early trans societies (3S) as part of AGP research and i could see their intimidation tactics in a simpler form and smaller scale. The wives of AGP moids were thought to be 'buffers' between these dysfunctional men and larger society. At least one sexologist implied that these men could go on to engage with their fetish in public if their wives dared to divorce them. It was like a gentler form of the constant suibaiting we're dealing with now that the tantrums have extended to all of society. A lot of accounts of 3S gatherings describe efforts by AGP moids to 'normalize' their crossdressing around their wives, turning them into supportive handmaidens. They would invite their wives in AGP hangouts to chip away at their sense of normalcy (my interpretation), and i presume these women thought 'oh well, if he's only doing it with these other weirdos and not embarrassing me in public'. This subtle threat of indecent exposure is constant thru AGP activism, including in suppoosedly self-aware anti-trans AGP men. Phil Illy and others keep implying that TERFs are pushing men into the arms of TRAs and 'aren't you sad they are chopping off their dicks?'. Nevermind that coddling these moids is what got us in this position in the first place. I'm at a point where i can't even stand the 'as long as it's in private between consenting adults' point because 99% of the time it relies on self-sacrificial women who get nothing out of it sexually or emotionally and come out degraded.
I got sidetracked but yeah, i'm annoyed at the purely theoretical approach. We discuss it here and among feminists aswell on sites like KF (simply because there's so much degeneracy KF moids can't help but connect the dots) but it's not understood broadly. It's like people think of 'gender ideology in institutions' and 'pornsick men who slip into sissification' as two distinct things when they are deeply intertwined. I suspect it's because to be truly critical of trans you have to be critical of things that greatly please men which goes quickly into radfem territory. I still hope that the next frontier of troon sexual practices (gooning, EPI, the weird anti-white cuck fetishes, increasing overt pedophilia) will change people's minds
No. 2042030
>>2042021Great post anon and this is why I think even the coddling that a lot of 'radfems' do when it's in their real lives is too much. You give these men an inch they'll take a mile and what they want is to absolutely destroy women's rights and children's safeguarding and normalize every possible form of kink and paraphilia in society. They never stop doing more and more audacious things basically daring anyone to stop them so yeah, it's not just some theoretical discussion about what is gender really? (Although that's a discussion worth having too).
Does anyone actually read the 'academic' gender ideologues because they are all sissy fetish moids like Andrea Long Chu, not a normal self-respecting person among them.
No. 2042159
>>2041873My opinions:
>SexPeople can dress however they like, but for a long time male meant being born with a penis and XY chromosomes, female meant being born with a vagina and XX chromosomes. And intersex people are individuals born with genetic conditions that cause abnormal development of sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals. In order to be considered a third sex, they’d need to produce a third viable gamete. Biologically, mammalian sex is determined by the type of viable gamete formed. In the human species, there are only two viable gametes, so only two sexes. It's not possible for people to change their sex, even if they believe they're another. Humans are mammals so we have the biology of mammals.
>GenderThe concept of gender and sex used not to be separate, but now they are. So be it. Gender still doesn't really have a concrete definition. It's entirely subjective on the individual and if you ask someone what being a certain gender is, they might give you different answers. Gender isn't the only thing which if you distill enough you can't agree on a definition. If you ask the question "what is a chair?" at some point you may be unable to come to a definition that includes all chairs. The fact that we treat gender as something philosophical but not other concepts is ridiculous.
We don't make the law based on philosophy and semantics. As a society we need objective definitions which we can observe and agree on. Gender isn't observable, sex is. We must then place importance on sex not gender. It doesn't matter whether the definitions we give to words are semantically correct or whether they satisfy everyone and are completely accurate, as long as we all understand each other.
You know what else is subjective? Colors and emotions. People don't see the same colors. People don't feel the same emotions. But we still need some agreed-on definition on what "red" or "blue" is. I can't see what you see and you can't feel what I feel, so I can't be certain whether what you experience is what I experience. If we spend eons arguing about what is the correct definition, then we will never get to work.
>Gender dysphoria People being uncomfortable with their bodies have gender dysphoria. I don't doubt that's a real thing, but it should be treated as any psychological condition that has to do with dysphoria and dysmorphia. We can't use the argument that transitioning is the only solution, because we don't know whether in other forms of dysphoria (anorexia, BIID) affirming people's beliefs could also be the best course of action. But we haven't tried it yet. Why is gender dysphoria any different?
>RightsTransgender people have the same rights as any other person, as human rights are universal. Women may have some additional rights because they have the ability to get pregnant and these rights are needed for obvious reasons. Transgender women know they can't get pregnant so they know they don't need those rights. By changing their gender to women legally and by trans men changing their gender to men legally, things get more complicated with pregnancy rights. We need an agreed upon word for the concept "person who has the ability to conceive", and this word used to be "woman". If transgender women insist they're women they need to provide an alternative word that means "person who has the ability to conceive" and this word will be used as a replacement for women. As for men getting drafted and having to join the military, while women aren't required to do so, that's something that I believe needs to change.
>Trans- as a prefixTransgender, transracial, transabled, transage etc are some other things people choose to transition to. Why can't we transition race, age or become disabled but can transition genders? You don't get to choose which is
valid and invalid unless you provide a reason. The only reason people transition genders but not races or age is because it has become socially acceptable. Why is it socially acceptable? Because it doesn't change the status quo and may even benefit certain people. No idea or trend ever spreads without a reason. The reason in medieval ages being fat was beautiful was because fatter people were richer, they could afford food when other poorer died from starvation. The reason being thin became attractive is because Hollywood promoted it. And they promoted it because their models and celebrities were doing cocaine and other drugs that make you lose weight. Then it became the standard. The reason in medieval times being pale was seen as attractive was because only the poor workers had to go outside in the sun to work and tanned. Nothing becomes mainstream without a reason. Nothing.
No. 2042182
>>2040928Thanks for checking in with me. It’s been a wild ride so far. I think I’m going to go do some ultimate grass touching and go live out in the desert for like a month and really rethink some things. Can’t get over how much I feel like a “betrayer” so hopefully dealing with basic survival stuff will help me get a better perspective.
Also really apperciate that nonnies are having genuine talks about the ideology and are willing to spoon feed people like me.
No. 2042183
>>2042182Grass touching and getting off your phone/away from social media is unironically probably the single most useful thing you can do to work through things like this, since a lot of what causes cognitive dissonance and inability to fully be honest with ourselves about our own thoughts and beliefs is the pressure we get from other people constantly telling us we're 'right' or 'wrong' for believing certain things. You shouldn't feel like a betrayer if you haven't actively done something bad to anybody though, having thoughts is not betraying anybody. Betraying someone would be doing something to harm them and betray their trust, not just thinking someone is wrong after you initially agreed with them. Also, before you beat yourself up for feeling like a betrayer try to be honest with yourself about how those people you think you're betraying would, have or will treat you if you do or say something you don't agree with or believe in.
Most often with stuff like gender ideology or politics, people you share real mutual respect and love with will understand that you don't agree with their beliefs, and vice versa. Most often I've personally found that with gender ideologues they would be willing to throw me under the bus in an instant, end a friendship without warning and smear me behind my back for my beliefs, and if that's the case there wasn't mutual respect in the friendship in the first place. Even mutually respectful friendships of course can end if your beliefs and opinions just grow too far apart and incompatible, but if you feel like you can't at least talk to someone about your views ask yourself why, when you would probably at least listen to theirs.
No. 2042291
>>2042182Nta but good luck
nonnie. Try not to fall down the rabbit hole too hard, there's a radfem -> trad pipeline.
And in general, if you were a huge TRA (not saying you were, I don't know you) it's good to recognise if you're the sort of person who tends to be really "all in" with your opinions. I still hold a lot of very left-wing views, but it's not uncommon on sites like this to find a lot of women who cape for rightoids just because they don't like trans people.
I agree with
>>2042183, the best thing is a bit of grass touching, and also just hanging out with friends who are maybe neutral to this stuff or it isn't really a big part of their lives.
No. 2042320
>>2042183Well stated.
I think that’s the big kicker for all this. The social fallout. Which is fine with a general friend group but with work/family, I’ll be playing it cool for a minute. I’m afraid that I’ll just cave when challenged or get into a mild argument. Reading up on the female socialization thing has been an unexpected mindfuck. I’ve even been trying to break out of it for normal small encounters and I still fucking default to it. It’s maddening how much it affects almost all my actions.
>>2042291I wasn’t the most bombastic TRA. Just super into the belief that I was doing the morally right thing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I’m not into the socially conservative bit. Trad wife shit sounds awful. Though totally understandable to warn against falling into some other scummy “good fight” now that this whole mental schema is fucking dissolving like cotton candy in water.
No. 2042404
>>2041847In your ideal world, how does one determine who is “really trans” and who is just a grifter, or struggling with some other kind of mental illness? And who gets to make the determination on who is “really trans” or not? The individual? The government? A doctor or psychologist or board of medical health professionals? The current mantra is “trans people know their gender identities better than you”, so you are already going against this mantra, which means that you are already a hateful bigot
TERF in the eyes of people who support trans ideology.
>>2041873Christians are allowed to exist, Hindus, Muslims, Scientologists, Jews, Mormons, QAnon people, and flat earthers are all allowed to exist, as in they are all free to believe in whatever they want. But just because someone else believes that Mohammad is the Prophet of Allah, or that our suffering is caused by body thetans from an alien war millions of years ago, does that mean everyone else should be required to believe it as well to avoid upsetting the believer? A man is free to wear a dress and believe that he’s a woman if he wants, but why should I be compelled - by general society, or in some cases by the law or by the code of conduct at my workplace - to believe that he is a woman (and have this belief reflected in actions like being okay with him being in the women’s bathroom with me)? Why is gender ideology the only ideology in current western society where the beliefs of the believer are given more weight and authority than the beliefs of everyone else around them?
No. 2042463
>>2041873>pardon me, I guess I just meant "exist" in the sense that they live and are acknowledged as men/women, the sex they desire to be.So you think it should be a moral imperative that other people see trans people exactly as they want to be seen, even if it goes against reality? See, this "call to kindness" is why troons have infiltrated women's spaces so effectively, since women are very sensitive to accusations of being "unkind" towards other people. It doesn't affect men the same degree, since men don't have the same social obligation to pretend the water isn't wet so that somebody's feelings don't get hurt. And even if troons get their wish, even if it becomes mandatory for society to "acknowledge" their identities as real, they will still not be happy once they realize that they can't actually crawl into people's heads and force them to alter their view of reality and sex. I never saw trannies as what they claimed to be, not even back when I was still tentatively on board with their manipulative demands ("please don't kill, yourself, I will pretend that you're a woman if that's what makes you happy"), and pushing for a system where everyone is required to lie out of their asses to appease a small minority of disturbed people is pushing for an Orwellian dystopia.
No. 2042524
>>2041906okay sorry I fell asleep last night and I'm just now reading all the responses so I'll try to explain this as best as I can.
So I think the modern trans phenomenon kinda started with the invention of Tumblr, because I don't personally remember seeing a lot of trans people prior or them being discussed outside of shows like Jerry Springer, daytime television garbage like that. Despite this though, there is a lot of historical evidence to prove that trans people have existed throughout history (think Paris is Burning or the Danish Girl etc.)
Regardless, I know that your response is probably going to be, "that still doesn't make it
valid," and I understand that, but transgenderism has long been acknowledged in the medical field and has been researched by many people and I tend to stick with what scientists and researchers say first before I take anyone else's word. Does that mean it should be reclassified as a disorder? I don't know. I look at being trans as something that happens to like, .01% of the population on Earth the same way intersex people exist. It's just a really rare thing that happens sometimes whether it's pushed by hormones or genetics idk. I really can't tell you what truly causes it the same way I can't tell you why homosexuality exists in humans.
Now that being said, I do think there's something to be said for the fact that gen Z seems to be okay with every other type of person except for women, and I hear you guys on that. That's largely due to people like Andrew Tate and the alpha bros pushing their misogynistic propaganda onto them. Even in leftist circles there is SO much misogyny and it's just kinda swept under the rug (wherever men congregate though, that tends to sort of happen so I'm not exactly shocked.) I feel alienated in that sense because I can't get down with that no matter how progressive a group pretends to be. Sometimes I think though, that those people are only pretending to support trans people when really they just view them as gay men/women playing dress up and are playing along so as to not get outcasted.
No. 2042571
>>2042533>"I think it was some anti-trans stuff "kek the same thing has happened to me too glad im esl so i just brushed it off as me "still learning english" but i didnt stop being a
terf, you really need to be discreet about how you really feel about troons
which is laughable considering how much pedo and zoosadist shit goes unchecked by discord but call a man a man and youre banned No. 2042634
>>2042524>Even in leftist circles there is SO much misogyny and it's just kinda swept under the rugYeah, this has been my experience too. I'll see men talk about women in objectifying ways 24/7 and call us bitches, whores etc, support transgenderism (which is by default misogynistic, since for TIMs it's all about sexist stereotypes about women and mimicking them), then turn around and
still call themselves progressive. They also all support "sex work", of course, and will talk about their fetishes in public, then call you a prude if you're disgusted or don't want to hear about that shit. I hate both but at least with right wing men they don't usually pretend they don't hate women, with leftist men it's like they'll lie to your face and tell you they're progressive while still doing all this misogynistic shit and it's disgusting.
>that those people are only pretending to support trans people when really they just view them as gay men/women playing dress up and are playing along so as to not get outcasted.oh for sure. I can tell most people are just humoring trans people or trying not to get cancelled even in the groups I'm in. I'm one of them too since I just keep my mouth shut otherwise I'll get kicked out and ostracized by everyone I know. It's bleak
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With how many down votes this has, maybe reddit is getting better. It's in actuallylesbians where a male non-binary lesbian is holding court with an AMA.
No. 2042727
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peak Rowling derangement syndrome
No. 2042753
>>2042524Yes, men with AGP fetishes did exist even in the late 19th or early 20th century and were pandered to by psychiatrists/surgeons who were into human experimentation even then, that doesn't legitimize their delusion to any degree though. Those AGPs were operating under the same delusions modern AGPs are, just probably not as much because society didn't pander to them as much back then.
The medical field has acknowledged that all kinds of delusional and crazy people exist for a long time but that doesn't really 'legitimize' their delusions it just means mental disorders have been observed and catalogued for a long time.
>Does that mean it should be reclassified as a disorder? It always was classified as a disorder by medical researchers and the only reference to troons in the modern DSM still categorizes it as a mental disorder (they just took the adult version out of the DSM and now only have a child version). They don't 'exist the same way intersex people exist' because intersex is a physical reality whereas being 'trans' is just something you say or do, not something you just are.
Zoomers also didn't discover seeing women as lesser beings because of Andrew Tate, women have been seen as lesser beings for thousands of years and Andrew Tate is just one of many modern expressions of that.
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cringe. why are libfems like this.
No. 2042851
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>>2042105No balls and estrogen and still has a bigger jaw than most men today.
No. 2042866
>>2042524>I tend to stick with what scientists and researchers say firstFair enough. But scientists aren't free of scrutiny, especially if you consider highly contentious areas like the treatment of women and children by doctors and researchers, aswell as the entire history of psychology/psychiatry and 'sexology' research. 'The specialists know best and it's better in a controlled environment' is a reassuring thought, but it would be extremely naive to keep believing this in the light of how these researchers operate. Take WPATH (the leading international org on 'trans medicine') and its recent scandals re: their abject failure at upholding ethical standards (eg. giving HRT to schizophrenics without much oversight). Another example would be them citing a site like 'The Eunuch Archive' as a serious source. It's dedicated to castration fetishes. Sorry for the crude subject matter but i feel it's important to know that WPATH members were in contact with the admins of this site, where half of written fetish stories involved children and many depicted medical contexts. The same 'leaders' in trans treatment will also freely admit that if transition is done early enough, it severly hinders sexual function (orgasms etc) for their patients, pretty much preventing them from enjoying full intimacy. In fact, the drug used for puberty blocking (lupron) was shilled by a member of WPATH (Eli Coleman i think? Not sure) as a way to treat pedophiles by reducing their sex drive, before he entered the organization. He simply repurposed it for 'trans kids'. 'Trans science' is not a fixed, sure thing, moreso it's too steeped in a history of medical abuse and pandering to lobbyists/fetishists to be taken seriously.
No. 2042915
>>2042592Honestly. When I was peaking I was on the fence when I was just ruminating by myself on the ethics of transitioning mentally ill people, but the minute I entered trans spaces and tried to befriend TIMS is what fully peaked me. They all just want to look like anime girls and Jack off to the thought of themselves being said anime girl. Listening to trans people and not terfs is what made me a
terf, lmao.
No. 2042934
>>2042915You and most other women who met TIMs irl, nonna. Nothing like actually meeting and befriending TIMs irl to make you realize it's a bunch of bs and also is actually meant to feel threatening to you.
Before I had really peaked I had one of my first experiences with a male troon that was incredibly jarring because it was just a normal 6'2 male with a skaterboy aesthetic I sat next to at a party. We chatted about completely normal topics for a few minutes, he seemed nice and got my contact details to friend add me on fb or whatever. Then after maybe 15 minutes of talking I said something to someone else like 'he said bla bla' and this guy (admittedly not as aggressively as a lot of troons) whirled on me and was like 'he? I'm a she, my name is Susan' and I was in disbelief because what the fuck, he was doing nothing to indicate he wanted to be seen as female. But because of me being young and female socialization I spent the rest of the night feeling super guilty because how could I have missed the (nonexistent) signs and made this nice boy upset like this?
Then the problem was when he actually added me on fb all his posts were just the most weird, garbled philosophy screeds about the experience of being a GNC woman and weird complaints about people not seeing him as one and 'misgendering' him in public so I went from thinking 'oh it's a psychologically disturbed college boy' to just thinking he must be trolling or severely mentally ill or something. He kept messaging me trying to get me to hang out and I always made up an excuse because I didn't want to deal with it but at the time I assumed that was just one person and most troons aren't like that. Then I met more and more similar people and realized it's the norm, not the exception.
No. 2042980
>>2042934Jesus Nona that sounds unsettling, the idea of a super tall skater boy going “ermmmmm ackshully I’m Susan” is making me kek.
My troon peaking story is juicy and will take too long to get all the details so I won’t blog. Basically a nerd I befriended in highschool over both liking LoL was a closeted troon, confessed his undying love after a week, I turned him down and ghosted him, then he proceeded to transition and skin walk me detail for detail.
>I had a super distinct hairstyle, long blue dyed hair with bangs >suddenly he wears a long blue wig with the same bangs >im on the girls volleyball team >suddenly he’s taking volleyball classes his rich parents pay for >im a vegan >suddenly he’s a vegan >I wear thick dr martens and band tees to school everyday with shorts >he wears the exact same style of dr marten, same band shirts, and shorts to school >im into painting and art>suddenly he’s a hobby painter >I play bass >suddenly he bought himself a bass>theres more but I won’t bore you, he basically copied every minute detail of my life >mf is socially inept and still tried to pursue me, I’m polite and cordial bc I’m scared and keep my distance After that he somehow found out where I worked via my friends and would proceed stalk me for 2 years. I had to get police involved on multiple occasions even though they didn’t do shit. Our handmaiden and ally friends obviously enabled this because I live in a retard troon central. To this day he still copies my style/hobbies from when I was 16. We’re both 19 now. Troons are all creepy coomers, the lot of them.
No. 2043045
>>2042980AYRT and I had a troon like that copy me in high school too, the one I'm talking about is from a little later in life though. I was friends with this autist in late elementary/middle school who changed schools because he was bullied but we still hung out at his house or my house after he changed schools. He was like a particularly retarded brand of autistic but my mom brought me up thinking that I'm supposed to be extra nice to bullied people and retards so I was always picking up these 'friends' and defending them from bullies. We bonded over liking the same car-racing video game and Redwall books (lol) as children but otherwise our hobbies and interests were not similar. He dressed like a normal boy around that age except for hating jeans because they
triggered his autistic sensory issues, whatever.
Then around high school age we ended up in the same school but weren't in the same classes and barely interacted. I learned after 1-2 months of school that he told everyone I was his girlfriend but I just ignored it because there were other rumors circling around the school I was a lesbian rapist (unrelatedly) so I figured it wouldn't hurt me for someone to think I was straight and dating some weird autist I barely talked to. He didn't copy my current style in high school but he started copying my interests and style from back when we had been close in elementary school like down to the letter.
>I was really into fencing and medieval replica swords, he started bringing a medieval replica sword to school and posing with it>I wore tripp pants and other goth style shit in elementary school, he started wearing the exact same tripp pants and tops>I was into a specific TV show in elementary that he didn't like at the time, a comedy show, he started making jokes from that comedy show like 4-5 years later constantly>I had a brief phase of playing piano a lot in elementary school, he started constantly sperging about how he's a piano player>I got temporary blue streaks in my hair for a dance show around elementary school graduation, he dyed his hair my natural color and got the same colored streaks (but in permanent dye) in his hairI'm surprised he didn't steal my name and skinwalk that too but it was so weird especially since it had nothing to do with my current style or interests, it was like this obsession with my aesthetic and interests 4-ish years earlier. I found it so weird but harmless at the time and didn't associate it with trans anything because he was such a severe autist I just thought it was an autism thing, but now that I'm older and have experienced more troons I'm like this is totally a troon thing, he probably fetishized the 10-11yo version of me because I was the one girl who was nice to him at that point in his life and turned it into a whole identity throughout high school and college.
Sorry, deleted my post to also add that his chosen 'girl name' was an anagram of my name with one letter added that had no letters in common with his own name. Both my name and his 'chosen' name are extremely uncommon and not from his original culture.
No. 2043128
>>2042980>>2043045>>2043065I can't even convey my anger and disgust. Also wondered if skinwalking is partly developmental for autist troons (autistic girls do that) but the stalking and fixation on younger versions of women they're into really says everything. It's less about finding a rolemodel and more about 'capturing' and possessing an image or objects they once found arousing.
The most a-logging worthy thing is the support from handmaidens?? I really wonder if they ever felt an ounce of solidarity or even genuine friendship for a woman. Seriously, you need to at least confront them on this.
No. 2043224
>>2043128I'm one of the AYRT and honestly at the time it didn't bother me that much because I really just assumed it was an autism thing, I also mostly didn't interact with this guy anymore so the reason I found out about most of this was mutual friends who still hung out with him sending me messages like 'omg did you see his new profile pic it looks exactly like your dance outfit from 5th grade' and they also told me some other details about stuff he was saying and doing that was skinwalking me that I don't remember much anymore. At the time though it just seemed like just turbo-autism things because I know autists struggle with social cues and frequently try to fit in/mask/conform/whatever by copying what other people they like do.
It took me being older and meeting more troons irl to realize that it's a pattern and specifically male troons will often fixate on younger versions of girls/women at the point that the girl was nice to them or they had a crush on her or whatever, then I looked back on the whole situation differently. At the time I was friends with this autist troon I didn't think he had a crush on me or anything but finding out later that it's often a psychosexual fixation made me feel really weird and put the whole 'lying that I'm his girlfriend' thing in perspective, I had initially assumed he did that because he was unpopular and I was more popular than him so he thought me dating him would give him social clout. I only realized later that it was probably some form of delusion/fixation on me and not just trying to namedrop the one person he knew in the school who was more socially adept than him. Of course looking back it's obvious that if he was just using me to get more popularity he would have skinwalked my current style at the time, not a past version, but I wasn't thinking about it in those terms back then.
Regarding handmaidens the aforementioned friends who mentioned his skinwalking to me did seem vaguely creeped out by it and some even told me they confronted him about it but he just pretended not to know what they were talking about. I think they were mostly similar to me, just trying to be nice to someone who was a little off and seeing it as basically harmless. Your average 14-16 year old girl isn't really capable of (or socialized to) understand where these creepy behaviors come from in moidlets, I noticed the same thing happening in that friend group with 'gay' moids who would sexually touch girls on the bus or in class or in the lunchroom, we all thought 'oh they're gay so it's just him being funny and subversive' only to realize a lot of these boys either weren't gay at all or were but got off on violating girls who were coddling them.
No. 2043480
>>2043458I would get this if they were plain black or something but otherwise I don't think I could get myself to wear them
I do wear the same mens wool thermal shirts as my mom, dad and several other family members though since when you find a high quality basic undergarment everyone wants it, but I would be freaked out by that if the leggings were more 'specific' also tell your mom not to do that anymore
No. 2043497
>>2042524>(think Paris is Burning or the Danish Girl etc.)You just basically redescribed HSTS and AGP. Yes, gay people trying to cope in society by living as the opposite sex or "in-between" and men having fetishes for womanhood has always existed.
>I look at being trans as something that happens to like, .01% of the population on Earth the same way intersex people exist. It's just a really rare thing that happens sometimes whether it's pushed by hormones or genetics idk. I really can't tell you what truly causes it the same way I can't tell you why homosexuality exists in humans.Intersex is a medical disorder and not always a healthy thing to be, many conditions have health issues and it's not related to trans at all. Ironically, the quack who coined the concept of gender identity (John Money) mutilated intersex children to "look normal". There's theories that homosexuality and bisexuality is a result of prenatal stress or hormone exposure in the womb. What are the biomarkers for trans that isn't linked to homosexuality? Even if homosexuality wasn't inborn, there's no inherent harm to come from consensual and age-appropiate same-sex relationships. What is a "true trans" person?
>Sometimes I think though, that those people are only pretending to support trans people when really they just view them as gay men/women playing dress up and are playing along so as to not get outcasted.Again, so close to getting it.
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Anons, I need some advice on this. To give context this is more for a gay male friend I have who is totally gender critical and also supports women's rights so I know he's not some TRA misogynist. Anyway we were having a talk a few days and he confided in me how he just learned that his gay brother (they're both gay) totally reamed into him about how he doesn't approve of my friend speaking out against TIMs using women only restrooms pretty much arguing that "passing" TIMs should be able to use the women's restroom to which he argued against and eventually the brother told him that even though he acknowledges that he's a man, he wants to get breast implants and facial feminization surgery and that he wants my friend to address him by she/her pronouns after he gets this stuff done to himself for his own "safety". My friend said he would never support him using women's restrooms nor would he call him by those pronouns and in retaliation the brother said he would cut him out of his life if he can't support him doing these things for his "safety".
The thing that my friend doesn't understand is if his brother acknowledges that he's a gay man, why does he feel the need to get breast implants and FFS? According to my friend, his brother is like 6 feet tall, used to be a bodybuilder and even though he's stopped trying to be a bodybuilder, he still has a slightly big frame, and he thinks he's being ridiculous thinking that he's gonna look anything like a woman, aka "be passable". The thing that perplexed both of us was when we talked about autogynephilia. We were of the belief that only straight and bi men can have autogynephilia because gay men aren't attracted to women and so because of that, they wouldn't be getting off on the image of being a woman.
Some more context that my brother shared is that his brother is an on/off webcam model and when he started dressing more "feminine", he was dressing in slutty e-girl clothes (fishents, super skimpy clothing, making suggestive faces) and linking to his OnlyFans as well as using hashtags like "tgirl". It's clear that he fetishizes the pornographic image of a woman but is still 100% gay as according to my friend, he's never expressed any interest in a woman at all and is actually in a long-term relationship with his boyfriend (who doesn't seem to care that he's an e-whore) and we were just confused on whether this could count as autogynephilia. He did explain that his brother was always a bit of an attention whore but can what he's doing be considered AGP if he's getting off on the male attention instead of himself?
I care about my friend, he's a good person who actually listens when I talk about radical feminist topics and he really tries his best to understand it and we end up having great talks (he also always comes to my aid when I'm getting dog-piled by TRAs) but he doesn't know how to feel about this issue and doesn't know if he should drop his brother since he's the only family that he has left.
I told him that I think he needs to think long and hard about this. Personally I would tell him to drop him but I feel like it's only because that's not my sibling and I'm an only child. I guess my question is
1) Is my friend's brother an AGP? Can gay men be AGPs?
2) If you had a male sibling who was acting like this, what would you do? Would you drop them?
No. 2043537
>>2043531Nonna I think this sounds like pretty par for the course HSTS behavior, we have this image of HSTS troons that they are always 'self hating' gays but a lot of people who are generally considered HSTS (like Blaire White, Nikita Dragun) do get off on the feminine presentation, like you said, because of the way other moids react to it. Even just regular male drag queens obviously fetishize aspects of 'femininity' and the female body in a way where I don't think they're attracted to themselves as women but they are attracted to the way femininity and female body features are fetishized and want to be seen that way themselves. The erotic object isn't them, themselves as it is in AGP but the way they get off on feeling fetishized by other moids. This is also taboo to talk about but a lot of gay men really crave attention from straight moids the way a lot of AGPs really crave attention from lesbian women and that's part of the whole 'trap' or 'femboy' fantasy.
I can't speak to the other part of your comment because I don't have male siblings and idk what your brother should do about his family member but this guy sounds insufferable in many ways and it also sounds like he's self-harming with his e-whoring, I could understand your friend being concerned about him but I don't think just pandering to the delusions and self-harm of your family members is good for them. Could he be honest with his brother that he finds his behavior insulting to women and harmful without completely cutting him off? Maybe his brother needs to hear what he thinks about it.
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>>2043537You know you raise a good point, I guess during our talk we forgot that HSTS do crave and get off on male attention. My friend did mention that his brother is really into plastic surgery culture he had to try talking him out of trying to get a BBL saying that it wasn't worth it and that he already has a big ass anyway because that's literally the part of his body he tended to workout a lot so he (my friend) didn't understand why he felt the need to get an even bigger ass (I know, it's weird). Taking what you said and what my friend said, it's just so clear that his brother is obsessed with male attention which speaking of which
> This is also taboo to talk about but a lot of gay men really crave attention from straight moids the way a lot of AGPs really crave attention from lesbian women and that's part of the whole 'trap' or 'femboy' fantasy. My friend actually did mention that his brother is obsessed with masculine men and by extension was obsessed with straight men (and sounds like he still is even though he's in a relationship with a man who is not "straight passing"). One thing that they had an argument over years back was that my friend's brother said that there are men who can engage in gay sex and still be straight, especially if the straight" guy is having sex with a feminine presenting man to which my friend vehemently disagreed and said that the guy is no longer straight if he's sexually engaging with another man regardless of what that man looks like and that it was just a closet case bisexual. This just caused his brother to get super annoyed and they just agreed to disagree. And clearly the brother might feel this way still with how he's rpresenting himself as some "tgirl" camwhore.
Something I wanna add, my friend is a feminine presenting guy himself but he does not dress in an overly sexualized way at all, it's actually a very bohemian, slightly Stevie Nicks inspired look (I just mention this to say that he doesn't present himself in a sexualized manner unlike what his brother seems to do).
>what your friend should do about his family member but this guy sounds insufferable in many ways and it also sounds like he's self-harming with his e-whorinHe really does, the way that my friend describes him sounds like his brother is a raving narcissist and from what he shares, he used to treat him (my friend) like crap since the brother was more extroverted and popular while my friend is more introverted and "weird" (mainly because of his gender nonconforming appearance that he's been doing long before his brother started dressing "feminine" - i.e camwhore). But yet they had been through a lot of facing homophobia from their parents and I think perhaps this is why he feels somewhat bonded to him since that was the thing that brought them together during their time in high school.
>Could he be honest with his brother that he finds his behavior insulting to women and harmful without completely cutting him off? Maybe his brother needs to hear what he thinks about it.See now this is the other thing. According to my friend, he has tried to explain to him how trans ideology is misogynistic and has tried getting him to watch things like Magdalen Berns videos and has tried to explain to him about misogyny but he always shuts him down. For example, when my friend tried to explain to him why no man should be allowed access to our restrooms, he told him that there aren't TIMs attacking women in their spaces to which my friend tried to link him to articles of women whom were attacked by TIMs and the brother said that it's just selection bias and that those TIMs weren't "true trans" because they don't "pass" which he (my friend) tried to explain how self-ID works and how it's playing a part in what's happening to which the brother just didn't seem to understand nor care and simply said that it's all just internet stuff, not "real life" (because where they live, there have been no reports of women being assaulted by TIMs in restrooms, therefor as far as he's concerned it doesn't matter).
A big problem is that his brother is friends with a lot of handmaidens who blindly encourage TIMs. Like for example, his female friends don't care if "passing" TIMs use the women's restrooms or how they don't mind TIMs wanting to be women (I'm sure it's the "live and let live" thing). So the brother really doesn't engage with gender critical much (if at all) and my friend is the only GC person he talks with but the dilemma comes where whenever my friend tries to advise him to check out GC creators or articles of TIMs being horrible to women, he seems to refuse to look into them and calls it "internet stuff, not real life".
Another thing I should mention is that the brother is also huge into online gaming (Overwatch & Fortnite especially which I'm sure we all know is dominated by Troons) and has made friends with TIMs and when they were having the talk about the bathroom thing, he said that he knows TIMs who are "normal" and aren't trying to assault women which then goes into how he doesn't understand how my friend can still say that no man should be using women's spaces with no exception.
I think the issue here with my friend is that there really aren't a lot of gender critical gay men who are also pro-women's rights all the way. My friend engages with radical feminism and has learned a lot about female socialization and he's been honestly so good with understanding certain things like how makeup is pushed onto women and how a lot of violence is perpetuated by men and that he can be just fine when he hears radfems making generalizations of men as a class and not get bothered by it. I've honestly never met any other gay man like this and I feel like this is probably why he's in a position like this because it feels like a lot of gay men don't tend to really care about women's rights outside of the surface level libfem statements.
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Do any britbong nonnas know what picrel's deal is? What would motivate a moid to cape so hard for troons if he wasn't even attracted to them?
No. 2043696
>>2042980Make sure to save screenshots/pics of him in outfits and looks that are directly copied from you, and hobbies etc. Make an album on your phone with all the proof so you can easily pull it up. Tell everyone in your life about him, do not call him trans or skinwalker initially but call him the more appropriate term "stalker". Make it into a thing with new people you meet, like "sorry but I have to inform you for safety reasons, so I have a stalker…". Tell them how he copies everything you do, that you're scared of him and he's clearly mentally ill. If they see him, please tell you about it so you can stay safe. Ask them to stay away from him and make sure he doesn't talk to any other young females. Make sure everyone knows he's a creep and you're a
victim.
If you have any friends on your side, get them to help troll him online if possible. Say you looove shaved heads on women, they look so cool! If you're able (and you know he won't see you irl) post an edited pic of you with shaved hair, or a pixie cut. Post that you're really into something stupid and expensive, post as if you've bought it and see if you can make him waste his money on it.
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>>2043688>I mean I think that some of these men actually do hook up with TIMs on the DLThey're FAR fewer than troons want you to think. They like the idea that they can have any straight man because it validates their troon fetish but in reality very few men, even the wokest ones, would sleep with them. There's a small minority of bi men who will though, especially if they're homophobic about it and pretend to be straight.
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Everyday we stray further from God.
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>>2043630I was trying to figure out who this guy was reminding me of…then it hit me.
Closeted chaser phenotype? Makes sense. Basically bi guy vibes but more anemic and sad. Patchy facial hair. No life behind the eyes.
Feel bad for the guy for getting stalked and raped, but idk…something felt off about him. Not even just in a troon hate way. I actually felt bad for that character. Richard treated him terribly and just spent the whole time feeling sorry for himself for endangering people close to him. Fiona’s obviously nuts, but this guy’s def got some Cluster B tendencies as well. Idk something about this particular brand of dude is so insidious. They’re not immediately threatening because of their frail bodies and sad eyes but the more time you spend observing them, the more you feel something is off. And despite their vulnerable appearing exterior, they so often have really fucked up sexual proclivities.
I guess it’s not a completely universal look though since chasers can be fat too (looking at you Chube and Vaush)
No. 2043895
>>2042150>cannot fully embrace her femininityI dunno about this phrasing anon, the concepts of femininity and masculinity are just hallmarks of gender ideology as far as I see it, it's just existed for longer than the current terminology.
>a way to rebel (IIRC she even had mommy issues)I always find the idea of "teenage rebellion" so funny. It's always aligning yourself with a culture, particularly a majority youth culture, rather than actually going any sort of individualistic route, and gender ideology seems to be a prime example of this. It's not really anything to do with forming an individual identity or finding oneself, just a natural distancing from the culture of the parent and joining a culture of teenagers/young adults. It's why these subcultures are always rigidly conformist amongst its members, the idea of "posers" among previous alt cultures and an abhorrence of being "
problematic" in the current one. Nothing really rebellious about it, just switching allegiances.
No. 2043905
>>2043597Yeah I know some people will say this is 'gay AGP' and I don't think they're necessarily wrong but I think that wanting to call this type of behavior gay AGP just comes from a place of women wanting to think HSTS are 'innocent' or 'the good ones' and forgetting that a lot of gay culture shit like drag and even old fashioned 'trans women' who were gay pretty much revolves around playing up misogynistic stereotypes while trying to bait and fish for straight male attention. I guess you can call this gay male AGP but it's such a common subtype of gay male troons that in fact I think it's more common than the 'just don't want homophobic parents to be mean to them so they transition' type. Look at how many HSTS have plastic surgery obsessions and get BBLs, implants, lip fillers, etc. You would think Blaire White was 'AGP' watching his videos where he constantly eyefucks himself on the screen preview and jiggles his chest in front of the camera but I think it's just a very extreme form of sexual signaling. If you've seen the Nikita Dragun arrest video he drops the act as soon as he's in a cell alone with a female cop, but keeps it up the whole time he's flirting with the male cop who initially arrests him.
>it feels like a lot of gay men don't tend to really care about women's rights outside of the surface level Your friend is right about that, most gay men don't. Most men don't, period. Part of the initial push for women to 'accept' HSTS is the delusional belief that is pushed on 'nice' libfem women that gay men are somehow inherently different than other men and that they're truly more like women but they're usually not. I don't know what I would do in your friend's position, it's always tough when you have a family member that was there for you when you were both going through something difficult like family homophobia, and I don't know enough about his brother to know if he is truly a lost cause or not, but it doesn't seem like him constantly trying to convince his brother is working very well. Maybe he should just say his piece and then go low contact or just set a boundary and say he doesn't want to talk about/hear about his brother's degeneracy, but they can talk about other things. Hard to give advice literally fourthhand but the reality is that you can't ever really convince someone of something they're not ready to/don't want to hear.
No. 2043913
>>2043905Seconding this.
>>2043531 I have relatives who are transgender, relatives who are addicted to drugs, and relatives who are in and out of jail because they keep committing crimes like burglary, and unfortunately it’s often impossible to get someone to change their behavior or listen to reason if they don’t want to. For a lot of people who are addicted to something (like hard drugs or transitioning (in your friend’s case it’s the high that his brother gets from dressing sexy and getting attention from men)) they can’t be forced into quitting or seeing the light, they’ll only decide they want to quit when they hit rock bottom, and even then they might relapse afterwards.
No. 2043951
>>2043531Looks like the subtype of gay moid who's obsessed with straight men (also the most likely to troon out, alongside hyperfem gays who get bullied by everyone including other gays). The fact that he wanted a BBL and is a bodybuilder suggests he's really gay and not AGP. There are a few gay men who wander in 'femboy' territory even though it's AGP central because they're not super feminine but still crave straight male attention, so they follow the thigh highs-choker recipe. You also have to factor in age, gay men resort to all kinds of self-desctructive habits to stay 'hot' after they enter their mid-twenties (plastic surgery addiction being one of those).
A meta-attracted AGP might really resemble his brother superficially but if you get closer it's mostly autosexual or directed at women they skinwalk, and they tend to pick masculine men instead of the visibly gay bf you mentioned (though HSTS do that aswell).
'Gay AGP' makes no sense imo, a gay man who LARPs as a camwhore with a specific kind of man in mind that he's attracted to is very different from an AGP. Their crossdressing is a sexual strategy and much less pathological than AGP, even if they act retarded in the process. They aren't uncanny and creepy, only annoying and insulting.
>If you had a male sibling who was acting like this, what would you do? Would you drop them?I wouldn't because i relate to the 'bonded over shared struggle and parental abuse' thing and i value siblinghood. I would probably have a rule of not discussing this crap (since it tends to override everything else) while staying around in case it goes south and he needs to be talked out of a stupid impulse. I feel bad for your friend because it's quite a dilemma, even if you take into account the fact that his brother treated him like crap. The fact that they're both men probably adds to their bond, if it was a woman with a HSTS brother i'd tell her to be blunt and act on her discomfort.
No. 2043977
>>2043951>'Gay AGP' makes no sense imoI agree with this but I think the reason a lot of GC women started talking about 'gay AGP' with examples like Dylan Mulvaney is just because they're still operating under the assumption that HSTS are the 'nice' kind of troon who really empathize with and feel solidarity with women, so they find it hard to accept that many HSTS are just as fetishistic and creepy about women and femininity just for different reasons. It's not autoerotic but it still eroticizes the feminine 'submissive' role and everything that's associated with that. Also realistically speaking AGP males almost never put much effort into actually looking 'like women' or even looking remotely attractive for that matter, since it's about a fantasy for them and the fantasy has very little to do with how they actually look to others.
Another way of putting it is that the typical AGP scrote will try to superficially skinwalk the woman or girl he couldn't have and was sexually hyperfixated on, while the typical HSTS (of this variety) will try to skinwalk the woman or girl who 'got' the guy he was sexually hyperfixated on.
No. 2044048
>>2043977I see. Yeah i hate this kind of GC cope. I think they're afraid of accurately describing gay men because they already hold controversial opinions (at least, in the eyes of establishment). There's so much naivete and discomfort around the fact that old geezers in petticoats aren't the only misogynists. It lets them ignore the fact that boomers and Gen X collectively failed at shielding boys from internet porn and now have to deal with the consequences. To be fair no one could imagine how destructive internet access would become, but there must be a pang of guilt somewhere.
>while the typical HSTS (of this variety) will try to skinwalk the woman or girl who 'got' the guy he was sexually hyperfixated on.Exactly, so much of gay culture at large can be explained by this phenomenon (like their fixation on famous attractive women).
No. 2044057
>>2044048Yeah for one thing a lot of GC women are always fielding accusations that they're 'secretly' trad/conservative so performatively adoring gay men is one way to disprove those allegations. Also a lot of older radfem/second wave GC feminists are lesbians who used to hang out with gay men at events and bars when they were younger so they feel a lot of affinity for gay men, will often defend drag and claim it's a campy art form but not fetishistic, so again I think they don't like to admit to themselves that gay men are capable of fetishizing womanface and feminine stereotypes.
In my experience even relatively normie HSTS men who mostly pass as normal women (like the type who have had surgeries but mostly just wear jeans and tees, no bimboification type PS) will still do milder versions of the things that Mulvaney, Blaire White or Nikita Dragun types do - I knew a normie/mostly passing HSTS who had small estrogen 'boobs' and no filler or anything but he still would jiggle his chest and play with his hair in that Blaire White way, stare at himself in mirrors and adjust his posture constantly to look more feminine and obviously ape what the women around him were doing in a very skinwalky way. It's just a matter of degree.
No. 2044106
>>2043905AYRT and after reading a few other comments, I've come to the conclusion that it isn't really AGP and it's just a case of vanity-fueled narcissism to sexually signal to men. Because at the end of the day, not many (if any) AGPs put all that work into trying to look like a (sexualized) woman like HSTS tend to do but yet HSTS aren't typically attracted to other HSTS or sane feminine gay men who don't think they're trans, they usually are super obsessed with masculine men and are in a way trying to turn straight men gay. Like I mentioned, my friend's brother said that he was obsessed with straight men to the point that he felt that they can have gay sex and still be "Straight" and that even though he is in a LTR with a man who while has a soft-masculine look, he has a rather "gay" demeanor talking with a slight affectation to his voice. My friends says that they're monogamous but he feels like his brother may not be fully satisfied with his BF and it's why he does the e-whoring and flirts with DL men who make passing comments at him IRL. And because this whole "femboy" "transgirl" stuff is the next big thing that coomers are flocking to, it could be just another tactic to gain male attention.
And right, in their case it's not really about trying to escape family homophobia because according to my friend, their parents did eventually come around when they were in their early 20s (for context, we're all in our early 30s), their parents even accepted him when he got his BF so it makes it even more telling that this obsession with the bimbo/camwhore/slutty e-girl thing his brother is on is purely about attention whoring.
>Your friend is right about that, most gay men don't. Most men don't, period. Part of the initial push for women to 'accept' HSTS is the delusional belief that is pushed on 'nice' libfem women that gay men are somehow inherently different than other men and that they're truly more like women but they're usually not. I don't know what I would do in your friend's position, it's always tough when you have a family member that was there for you when you were both going through something difficult like family homophobia, and I don't know enough about his brother to know if he is truly a lost cause or not, but it doesn't seem like him constantly trying to convince his brother is working very well. Maybe he should just say his piece and then go low contact or just set a boundary and say he doesn't want to talk about/hear about his brother's degeneracy, but they can talk about other things. Hard to give advice literally fourthhand but the reality is that you can't ever really convince someone of something they're not ready to/don't want to hear.Right and that's the dilemma. Because most gay men don't really look into radical feminism. My friend mentioned that whenever he would bring up radical feminist talking points like how surrogate mothering is essentially renting out women's bodies or how "Karen" is actually a misogynistic insult since there's no male equivalent of the word (and that when a man is acting up, it's not seen as
problematic) in gay forum spaces, he'd get called things like crazy or "extremist". And like I've said, at most the gay men I have run who claim to support feminism are the ones who support libfem, sex work is empowering and dressing like a prostitute is confident and body positive type of thing and plastic surgery is totally fine if you're doing it for yourself (the brother is a huge plastic surgery addict in the sense that he finds it fascinating and how he wants to get procedures like FFS, filler, the boobs, and the BBL). My friend said he used to be that way too (not the plastic surgery stuff but the "sex work is empowering" thing) until he took the "radical pill" (term we joke about) and he started hearing and understanding radical feminist analysis and even if he didn't always agree like for example, he thinks that makeup should be a choice but he does feel that women who decide to not wear makeup should not be shamed or mocked for that choice, he at the very least understands the arguments.
>I don't know enough about his brother to know if he is truly a lost cause or not, but it doesn't seem like him constantly trying to convince his brother is working very well. Maybe he should just say his piece and then go low contact or just set a boundary and say he doesn't want to talk about/hear about his brother's degeneracy, but they can talk about other things. Hard to give advice literally fourthhand but the reality is that you can't ever really convince someone of something they're not ready to/don't want to hear.Yeah I talked with my friend the earlier today and he gave me a little update. He said that he told his brother that while he won't support him using women only spaces and will not call him she/her pronouns, he said that if he really wants to get the double d breast implants and FFs, while he won't applaud his decision, it's his body, money, and choice. But he also does not want to talk about trans issues with him anymore since they'll never agree on it (he said that his brother just isn't ready to have these conversations since he refuses to see the other side not taking the women who do mind's feelings into consideration and getting caught up in male entitlement, the entitlement that vulnerable insecure men's safety means much more than a woman's discomfort in our spaces).
He did try to tell his brother that he thinks that he doesn't realize that he's doing all this over-sexualization stuff to get male attention to which it did piss him off a bit and he doubled down saying that it's how he really wants to look and it's not about "attention" (which my friend still calls bullshit on but he bit his tongue and just left it alone).
Ultimately though, the brother said that when the time comes, he'll probably have to cut my friend out of his life since he didn't agree to his demands. He assured my friend that he doesn't actually think he's a woman but he thinks he's an asshole who doesn't really care about him if he won't do what he wants him to do (via call him by what he wants to be called) when his boyfriend and his (handmaid) and TRA friends are already willing to do that for him so he thinks it's fucked up that his brother (my friend) is not going along with it (pretty much just sibling guilt it seems like).
My friend told him that they can talk about other things but just not to bring up trans topics because he will refuse to engage in it which did annoy the brother because something I forgot to mention was that whenever my friend and the brother had these debates/arguments, my friend would get very aggravated and upset which the brother would say something like "I don't know why you're getting so angry, I'm talking calm and challenging your argument yet you're the one getting mad" but the reason why my friend was getting so upset was because anytime he tried to provide evidence to back up his claims (the linking to articles of TIM on women assaults in restrooms, the Tavistock Clinic, De-trans testimonies, Ray Blanchard's AGP & HSTS publish, etc), the brother would either brush it off, say it's just "internet stuff, real life is not the internet"), "Not all Trans", and/or "The women I know don't care about this stuff so therefor it's irrelevant". Pretty much just refusing to even think about these things yet he thinks he's the one being a "critical thinker" and the friend is an angry person ruled by emotions.
I get that my friend should try to keep his cool when talking about this stuff but after hearing all that, I can understand why he can get super frustrated when he's getting his rebuttals invalidated and the brother is refusing to understand the bigger picture of how this stuff affects women rights.
No. 2044114
>>2043913Understandable, my friend's brother just seems to be porn obsessed, a gay coomer who is fetishizing the pornofied stereotype of a woman and using that image to get male attention and gets a high off of it. He'd deny it but that's really what it seems because why would a gay man feel the need to get breast implants and it not be fueled by some sort of fetish?
>I have relatives who are transgenderDo you call these relatives by their preferred pronouns? Do they know of your stance against gender ideology?
No. 2044119
>>2044106The one HSTS I was acquainted with for a long time wasn't even the hypersexualized hyperfeminine variety of HSTS but he was completely obsessed with pulling straight men. They didn't even need to be attractive but if they were straight and especially if they had girlfriends in our social circle or hit on girls in our social circle the HSTS would do everything in his power to 'steal' them and seem more attractive than the women they were attracted to. Interestingly I also know normal non-troon gay men who did the same thing, except rather than pretending to be women they would talk about how they could 'turn' straight men and would develop close relationships with the straight men they liked and then go in to 'comfort' them after breakups or rejections similar to the stereotype of what Nice Guys do to women. Similar to your friend's brother these men often were dating other gay men at the time they were doing this, it never seemed to stop them from hitting on straight moids.
>he thinks he's an asshole who doesn't really care about him if he won't do what he wants him to do (via call him by what he wants to be called) when his boyfriend and his (handmaid) and TRA friends are already willing to do that for himI know your friend can't change his brother's mind but I would point out to him that it's fucked up his brother demands he be totally understanding and go along with everything he (the brother) wants, while not respecting your friend's wishes and boundaries. Relationships go two ways and if someone is always demanding that their friends or family validate all their delusions and do whatever they want them to do but never show the same courtesy back, it's not an equal and respectful relationship. Imagine if you have a religious family member who knows you're not religious, a very common issue in families - if they are mutually respectful they are able to occasionally talk to each other about their respective religious beliefs or even try to convince the other that they're wrong, without constantly trying to convert their family member or demanding that their family member 'pretend' to be religious around them. I have devout christian family members who know I'm not religious and I let them talk about their religious beliefs around me, but I don't pretend to agree with them or believe what they believe, and it's fine. I also agree not to constantly insult their religion and 'blaspheme' around them because I think it's rude, but if they started demanding I pray around them that would be a different story. Your friend's brother is acting like he's part of a religious cult and the only acceptable behavior for his family members is to pretend to be in the cult and participate in the cult rituals too.
No. 2044125
>>2043951For sure anon. It's fascinating really. My friend and his brother both being gay and feminine but my friend's take on femininity is more creative and modest while his brother is more overly sexualized. My friend has also been dressing the way he has since he was in his mid-20s while the brother started doing this thing in his very late 20s.
>You also have to factor in age, gay men resort to all kinds of self-desctructive habits to stay 'hot' after they enter their mid-twenties (plastic surgery addiction being one of those).This seems to be true to a degree. Like I mentioned in another comment, we're all in our early 30s. My friend mentioned how his brother seems very preoccupied with his appearance even before he started doing this troon stuff like caring about wrinkles and constantly asking my friend how he looks and like I mentioned earlier, being very into plastic surgery culture, he idolizes Kim Kardashian's body much to my friend's annoyance who had to remind him back when they were in high school (the brother was really into Keeping up with the Kardashians) that her body was fake. And even when he got into bodybuilding and got close to 200 pounds of muscle, he still didn't feel "big enough" (so body dysmorphia). It's interesting to say the least.
>I wouldn't because i relate to the 'bonded over shared struggle and parental abuse' thing and i value siblinghood. I would probably have a rule of not discussing this crap (since it tends to override everything else) while staying around in case it goes south and he needs to be talked out of a stupid impulse. I feel bad for your friend because it's quite a dilemma, even if you take into account the fact that his brother treated him like crap. The fact that they're both men probably adds to their bond, if it was a woman with a HSTS brother i'd tell her to be blunt and act on her discomfort.I see. Would you refer to your hypothetical HSTS brother by she/her pronouns and be okay with him using women only spaces?
No. 2044148
>>2044130OP anon with the friend here. You're actually correct. My friend has talked about this and he says that it's not so much that the man is straight that makes these gay men pine for them, it's purely just the masculinity that a lot of straight men exhibit which is developed from male socialization that they got by being able to meld into heternorrmativity, something that not a lot of gay men tend to conceptualize since they aren't attracted to the opposite sex and therefor don't feel the need to follow heteronormativity socialization during their formulative years. But because these gay men in their youths are still around the majority of other boys/men who are straight and do tend conform to heteronormativity, they in turn like their female friends develop a likeness for masculinity in men.
From what my friend said, he says that the only kind of gay men who tend to adopt the super masculine demeanor tend to be the ones who grow up in less progressive places but even then, there can be cracks where they may have an interest that is feminine but they wouldn't want to admit it. That or some gay men who are more feminine leaning try to fake a masculine persona. My friend's brother actually did this in his early 20s and it was one of the reasons why he got into bodybuulding to create that masculine image but deep down he was pretty flamboyant (he used to be one of those catty gays in high school from what my friend shared).
Anyway, yeah there are definitely some gay men (both sane and/or HSTS) who get off on the idea of stealing a straight man from a woman and because bisexual DL men do tend to pull this stunt where they'll get with a woman but hook up with guys on the side (my friend would show me screenshots of DL married guys on Grindr) and they play into the delusion of the gay men thinking that they're totally straight.
No. 2044165
>>2044119>The one HSTS I was acquainted with for a long time wasn't even the hypersexualized hyperfeminine variety of HSTS but he was completely obsessed with pulling straight men. They didn't even need to be attractive but if they were straight and especially if they had girlfriends in our social circle or hit on girls in our social circle the HSTS would do everything in his power to 'steal' them and seem more attractive than the women they were attracted to. Interestingly I also know normal non-troon gay men who did the same thing, except rather than pretending to be women they would talk about how they could 'turn' straight men and would develop close relationships with the straight men they liked and then go in to 'comfort' them after breakups or rejections similar to the stereotype of what Nice Guys do to women. Similar to your friend's brother these men often were dating other gay men at the time they were doing this, it never seemed to stop them from hitting on straight moids. That all certainly makes sense from what my friend said, the obsession with pulling straight men and again, I'm pretty the underlying thing is they are attracted to the masculinity that not a lot of gay men tend to develop. And because there are a lot of DL bisexual men who hookup with men on the side and call themselves "str8", this fuels the belief to the gullible HSTS/Gay men that it's totally possible to sleep with straight men.
>I know your friend can't change his brother's mind but I would point out to him that it's fucked up his brother demands he be totally understanding and go along with everything he (the brother) wants, while not respecting your friend's wishes and boundaries. Relationships go two ways and if someone is always demanding that their friends or family validate all their delusions and do whatever they want them to do but never show the same courtesy back, it's not an equal and respectful relationship.Oh I pointed that out (though worded differently) to him and he agreed. He said that he already can look past the (ridiculous) want of getting the surgeries and altering his appearance and that should be the half-way meeting point but his brother is just too fucking paranoid thinking that once he does this stuff to himself, he's gonna face a lot of people (men) trying to physically assault him. He already has issues with caring about what other people think of him which is why he was so nasty to his alternative presenting brother (my friend) when they were younger who had already gotten used to people staring at him for being a feminine presenting man and never mind the fact that the brother is a tall man who looks to weigh about 170-180 pounds but he thinks he looks like a dainty uwu little waif that can't defend himself. And he thinks that once he gets FFS, he's gonna look "passable" (gonna be real here, even though he wears makeup he still looks manly, at least in the sense that I don't think many people would mistake him for a woman). My friend has shared that all through his own life presenting as he does, while he does get stared at (which he says staring is not violence which it isn't), he's never actually got physically assaulted and at most, he almost got into a fight by a guy who mistook him as a woman and got all super defensive and threatened to hit him but they were in a crowded area and he ended up not doing anything except yelling. My friend weighs a lot less than his brother and isn't as tall but yet he manages to get through life just fine and they also live in a fairly progressive area. So I understand why he thinks his brother is being paranoid and ridiculous.
And yeah it does feel like in a way this is all cultish behavior for sure.
No. 2044173
>>2044165Kind of unrelated to your friend's dilemma and the whole HSTS discussion but:
>his brother is just too fucking paranoid thinking that once he does this stuff to himself, he's gonna face a lot of people (men) trying to physically assault himImagine your average woman deliberately trying to modify her appearance while specifically in advance thinking it will lead to tons of physical assaults, but wanting to do it anyway and guilt tripping anyone who tries to stop them with 'but I will be so victimized after I do this to myself!' Men are so retarded and the weird troon fixation on wanting to be
victims like women are against their will through no choice of their own is so disgusting. They literally fantasize about being assaulted by other men and becoming
victims while women actively fear it, and then they want us to sympathize and accept them as 'one of us.'
No. 2044199
>>2044173AYRT and fuckign exactly and I'm glad my friend knows this because he tried to tell his brother that he's been dressing feminine presenting for far longer than him and realizes that it comes with risks but that if push comes to shove, he doesn't have to be a
victim. He took a self-defense class for a short while and before he got a car and had to walk most places, he would carry pepper spray and/or a knife if he knew he was gonna be out late. He was being proactive and when he tried to tell his brother that he doesn't have to be a
victim and that he can take the self-accountability to at least learn how to defend himself, he once again shot it down saying that "not everyone is like you". And considering how my friend has told me that his brother has fantasized about rape in the past (but didn't act on it) because he said he likes to be dominated by men, my friend can't help but feel like he's so deluded in his fetish (don't know what to call it) that it plays a part in why he wants to victimize himself.
No. 2044206
>>2044197Then it is very fair to say she isn't one, therefore:
Unironic actual TIFs who choose to present themselves feminine fakebois are actually more masculine than stone butches and therefore it is logical they should get hrt and surgery. Not saying it's healthy though.
No. 2044258
>>2044199Before I clocked my one semi-passing HSTS acquaintance me and my other friends would offer to walk him home at night before we went to our own places (we lived very close and in a dangerous area) and he would always be like 'why???' and if we said it's scary here at night he would just say 'oh I've never felt scared' (this would later factor into me realizing he was male).
But then on social media later I once saw him get into a comment fight about trans shit with some other people and he started blub-blubbing about how terrifying it is to be a troon, how they're constantly in fear of their lives for looking like women or presenting feminine, how they don't even feel safe walking alone at night or even during the day (he didn't include himself in this because he was still trying to be stealth) and I was like wtaf? You literally repeatedly teased/mocked me for thinking you would feel unsafe walking home alone in a dangerous neighbourhood at night. It's such a LARP/fantasy.
No. 2044260
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>We are just peaceful people
No. 2044299
>>2044288This is the way honestly. I refuse to use preferred pronouns ever in any context but if I'm forced to be polite under threat of whatever I will just say the person's chosen name instead of a pronoun every time.
>I think she’s one of those liberal moms who’s excited to have an extremely special oppressed minority child Lol I know a middle aged libfem like this (mom of one of my close friends). They had a son everyone assumed to be gay for his whole life because he was into theater and seemed effeminate, and she constantly joined all these groups for 'supporting queer kids' or like 'mom hugs for queer kids whose actual moms don't support them' (this group is like half male troons based on the photos she posts on facebook and it makes me really uncomfortable that these moids go out in public offering to hug other people's children whose parents dont support them), doing all sorts of mild mannered activism for queer kids. The funny thing is once the 'gay' son reached adulthood it turned out he's actually straight lol.
No. 2044302
>>2044288Thank you for explaining your situation and that doesn't sound easy but at the very least it's just a cousin and not like your sibling or your parent so that can definitely make it easier to ignore. My friend is somewhat in a position like this in the sense that they don't live super close and don't meet all that often these days because of general busy with life stuff but this trans shit has been a driving wedge in their relationship. My friend told me that if things could go back to the way things were where this trans hsit was still a relatively underground thing like in the late 90s and early 00s, he would feel more comfortable looking the other way with this but he has peaked and has peaked hard and he just can't undo the peaking (which I totally get).
I think I'll just tell him that if he really doesn't want to sever the tie with his brother, just keep distance and if he can swallow it when they meet in person, just call him the preferred pronouns just to assure his safety. He already said that he doesn't think he'll even want to hang out with his brother all that much if he gets the breasts implants regardless but still, doesn't hurt to give some advice. I really feel for him because while I understand that they are brothers and have gone through a lot, his brother just sounds like an emotional vampire type of person.
No. 2044328
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kek they're all mentally unwell. also comparing this to conversion therapy is so retarded
No. 2044334
>>2044328>>2044330The screenshot doesn't even imply that the HRT was taken away deliberately, they just probably saw a random drug and took it away. He's not been permanently "forcibly detransitioned."
Also lmao at the idea that a man is 'menopausal' (meaning when a woman no longer has any more eggs and her body adjusts to no longer ovulating or menstruating) because he stopped taking his useless female birth control pill for like a week.
No. 2044340
>>2044306It's more that his brother wants to hang out in public with him which my friend thinks is weird because he knows that he (my friend) doesn't really go out much and is pretty much a homebody and whenever he does him, it's at his house and they don't go anywhere. It added to his (my friend) confusion of why his brother thinks they'll be in any danger when he literally only sees him at his house but then the brother said something like "well like if we go to a concert or out to eat sometime" which again, isn't likely.
Honestly it feels like his brother is trying to use him as a validation object when he's out in public or something.
No. 2044431
>>2044389A lot of my older female relatives and their friends have told me what a relief it is to finally be in menopause and how freeing it feels but scrotes with womb envy will act like it's supposed to be this severely traumatizing and demoralizing experience for women akin to literal death.
>>2044396Yup no matter how much some women want to be mothers and enjoy certain aspects of pregnancy like feeling the baby kick inside their stomach I think most women dread many aspects of pregnancy and childbirth itself even if they love the idea of having babies. Men always seem to fetishize and be jealous of the pregnancy and childbirth part, i.e., the physical functions that most women dread, while being entirely uninterested in the actual having a child and raising it bit.
Those 'pregnancy/period simulators' are super fake anyway, no one seems to even understand this. The thing they give to men to 'simulate pregnancy/period cramps' is a TENS machine, which I use for my endometriosis specifically to treat my period cramps. Even on the highest possible setting it doesn't even approach 1/10th of the pain I get on my period, it's literally a relief from the pain of my period. TENS does feel shocking at first and cause some cramping up of muscles but its main purpose is to desensitize neurons to pain by shocking them into numbness, that's why it's usually used for pain treatment.
No. 2044456
>>2044328Kek shouldnt he feel affirmed with this so called menopause since it's something all women go through eventually
>>2044379>>2044389These are excellent points youre makin nonas
No. 2044605
>>2044431>Men always seem to fetishize and be jealous of the pregnancy and childbirth partOh they 100% do. An AGP once told me he wanted to be pregnant real bad, described a bit of the process before going 'but i wouldn't want the kid, i don't gaf about that'. Textbook pregnancy fetish.
It's hilarious how the menopause thing highlights their idea of estrogen as this magic perfect euphoria juice. Like how they're extremely euphoric during early HRT because they start picturing all kinds of magical transformations. No happy peepee juice = sad peepee = literally worse than crack withdrawal. I genuinely think we'd have far less crossdressers in public (even with porn) without HRT. It's like the idea of a 'treatment' that 'feminizes' them gives them enough of a push to indulge in it, when before they'd be bitterly aware of how they are moids in dresses. Awareness of intersex conditions has the same effect on them
No. 2044699
>>2044396>It's like how you see men react when they wear things like pregnancy and/or period stimulatorsI love watching this shit. Although I did see this one Britbong faggot trying to convince his wife to have a THIRD child, so she made him undergo an hour of the pregnancy simulator. And then, after he went through it, all 20 "levels" of hell, he just goes, "I BEAT IT!" I wish she should divorce him.
Also, I feel like those simulators, whilst not entirely accurate, should be mandatory for all high school students to undergo, especially the scrotes. Make them think twice.
No. 2044808
Anons, what do you think of the complaints made by anons in the lesbian thread in /g/? These are claims like
>Radfems hate GNC women and assume all GNC women are troons/eggs
>Anti-porn rhetoric makes lesbians feel ashamed to feel lust for women, or like feeling aroused by women is "moid brained"
>Making fun of TiFs for their appearance makes destransitioners and butches feel ashamed of their bodies
Speaking personally, I think that anons here can be a little too harsh on TiFs' looks, but that's probably more of a lolcow thing than a radfem thing (I have to wonder how many of these /g/ anons have seen TiFs be called ugly outside of Lolcow, and why they're on a cyberbullying site if they hate when someone gets called ugly). As for the other stuff, it feels like overgeneralizing. Some "radfems" (who are often just GC moderates) definitely shit-talk GNC people, but in my experience, they mostly target GNC men. Yeah, the anti-porn talk can get pretty harsh, but you'd have to be pretty fragile to internalize it to the point that it makes you feel guilty for just finding women sexy. No disrespect to those /g/ anons, but they come across as kind of fragile here. Like, they take everything they hear as personally as possible and then assume that radfems are a hivemind who all think that TiFs are "ruined" and GNC women are eggs. Like, I don't want to tell lesbians that there isn't an underlying lesbophobia issue in radfem circles when there often is. But some of their takes sound pretty uncharitable and unnecessarily defensive.
No. 2044816
>>2042524I disagree with many anons on this topic because I also believe there are men who actually wish to be born as women and women who actually wish to be born as men without having a fetish, being abused, having a mental disorder or being gay. I still don't think people can transition to another sex than the one they're born as because as I have stated, science hasn't advantaged enough to be able to change a person's chromosomes or give them functional genetic organs. What mostly bothers me about the surgeries is that if you look at even the first results of google for plastophally for example, you'll realize how non-accurate it is to the real thing. And how there isn't enough research on long term effects of puberty blockers when kids decide not to transition in the end or research into hormone replacement therapy for long-term effects. So many people are being taken advantage of for profit. But that's irrelevant. Nevertheless…
The concept of gender itself is circular, subjective and really stupid. You simply can't define gender without using personal anecdotes or stereotypes. So if you say you're a woman (gender) or man (gender) or hippopotamus (gender) then… Ok yes you are. Cus we are arguing semantics. You can be whatever you want in that department because YOU make the rules. But people don't have to respect your made up rules.
There's a claim that trans people have the brain of the opposite sex. However, no brain is the same. Men may have on average certain traits that women don't but because there are outliers that doesn't change their sex. The sex is entirely defined by body parts. The claim that the brain doesn't match the body doesn't sound like some sort of dissociation aka mental illness? I think dissociation always has other causes. These should be addressed.
And because both brains and body parts are stuff that people don't have control over, we should just treat people like people regardless of sex. But the concept of gender makes this difficult, as it perpetuates stereotypes even when people claim it doesn't, if someone doesn't follow the stereotypes they're called an "egg".
No. 2044818
>>2044808The first two points are retarded. Most radfems became radfems because they ARE GNC women. Radfem communities are full of lesbians. Also anti-porn rhetoric making lesbians ashamed of lusting for women is so retarded I have nothing else to say. Feeling arousal isn't 'moid brained,' watching trafficked women (likely minors actually) get raped and abused and getting off on it is.
Regarding making fun of TIFs for their appearance making detransitioners feel sad, well, that sucks for them but I'm sure they were already aware they messed with their bodies if they mutilated them deliberately in the first place. Thankfully many detransitioners go back to looking mostly like normal women unless they were transitioned for a very long time (rare) or are incredibly unlucky. But ugly women have value too so even if an unfortunate detransitioner can't look like a pretty woman anymore, rather than demanding people lie to her that she looks pretty she should instead take solace in the fact that she can be sane and mentally healthier than before instead. Why would butches feel bad about their bodies from people making fun of TIFs?
No. 2044847
>>2044831Yeah I didn't originally know that they were using a TENS machine but its main use in medical contexts is pain treatment, it's used specifically for endometriosis pain a lot (so the electrodes go on the same part of your abdomen that they put them on for men to simulate period cramps) which is just really funny. Like the thing that is making them hyperventilate in pain is the thing that I use to make my periods less painful lol?
It's more commonly used for back pain and stuff, they can actually be quite weird/painful if you put them on certain muscle groups like your forearms because it will basically paralyze your hand temporarily, but it's more of a weird feeling than a pain feeling. I can't imagine they get anywhere close to simulating pregnancy pain with those things, because their purpose is to numb/overload nerves so they stop sending pain signals to your brain for a while. I guess they use them because they can induce muscle cramping, but men don't even have the tissues that cramp in women so it's not going to feel similar anyway. It probably makes them feel like they need to take a shit and maybe that's why troons that have tried it think having indigestion is the same as menstrual cramps?
You're right though that the most obvious sign they're not simulating bad period or pregnancy pain is that men would pass out from the pain lmao they are so weak to pain.
No. 2044866
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>>2044808>>Making fun of TiFs for their appearance makes destransitioners and butches feel ashamed of their bodiesWhy should this be a problem? They were ashamed of their bodies to begin with, otherwise they wouldn't have transitioned. I'm not here to baby retards. Pic very related.
>I think that anons here can be a little too harsh on TiFs' looksWe are not harsh enough.
No. 2044886
>>2044808I think some of those anons are just looking for reasons to be upset and see themselves as
victims, or they are terminally online. I'm very GNC as well as SSA (bi, although it doesn't come up a lot because I'm not dating anyone right now) and I have never encountered these opinions in irl radfem communities. There are radfems and GC feminists who are straight turbonormies who've always been very gender conforming, have the house with the picket fence, a moid and kids etc., and they sometimes have the tendency to overgeneralize their experiences or assume that all women are like them, which can sometimes make me feel alienated when my own personality and looks differ from that a lot, but it has never led to any major conflict in my experience. Usually I'll just try to gently bring in a different perspective, and most of the time they'll understand in the end. It can be annoying sometimes, but that's just part of dealing with people.
No. 2044914
>>2044841> one day science will be able to change our chromosomal sexThat
could be possible in the far future.
> we just don't know how puberty blockers affect childrenTrue. We know.
No. 2044926
>>2044808From my understanding it seems like most nonnies make fun of the horrendous effects of T and predatory surgical procedures that tifs get and not necessarily being GNC. Though I see just as much ridicule for other unnessecary and poorly done plastic surgery all the time too. Some woman running around in a men’s suit and a buzz cutt doesn’t warrant much comment unless coupled with some unhinged cow behavior (or much admiration if said woman is handsome).
Though I can’t imagine the horror of waking up from the cult and realizing the mutilation I self inflicted while under the brainworm of “muh gender”.
The porn thing is wild. Do they enjoy watching women who are likely trafficked/abused? How is that sexy?
I’ve been reading up on some lesbian history recently and I’m so sad that so much of it is getting transwashed or straight up ignored. Fucking insane.
Same with GNC women of the past too. “Oh women weren’t allowed to do shit becuase of how horrendously patriarchal society is and the only way to live independently was to disguise yourself as a man. Yes very much trans instead of desperately trying to live as a person with dignity and self determination. The qualities that only men want, not these silly subhuman females.”
No. 2044938
>>2044808>Radfems hate GNC women and assume all GNC women are troons/eggsradfems are more likely to be gnc themselves and do no believe in trans, so this is all untrue almost by default
>Anti-porn rhetoric makes lesbians feel ashamed to feel lust for women, or like feeling aroused by women is "moid brained"unless they want women to be sexually abused and trafficked they should be ashamed for disliking anti-porn rhetoric
>Making fun of TiFs for their appearance makes destransitioners and butches feel ashamed of their bodiesFrankly, that's their own fault for making those poor body modification decisions. If you feel bad over being called "unfeminine" and "manly" as a butch you shouldn't have gone butch to begin with? If I dress in a male inspired way I have no right to be upset if people call it masculine, that's literally what I aimed for!
I feel a lot of compassion for detrans women, but to say we can't be genuinely horrified over seeing a mutilated female chest or frankendick is ridiculous - if it's upsetting to them they should click off the page. And if we make fun of a rainbow haired self-proclaimed goblin with a beard who made herself ugly on purpose that's not a reflection of someone who is detrans and regrets it.
No. 2044948
>>2044931for male troons who still have their real hair it's usually extremely stringy, shoulder length or just past shoulder length with combover levels of side part that they think hides their receding hairline but actually makes it more obvious, often very badly dyed a weird color. For males with no hair left usually a very cheap blonde wig pushed super far forward on the forehead like it's fooling anyone.
Female troons around me is usually some sort of side-shaved floppy haircut similar to eboys, at least where I live.
>>2044937AYRT and I know, that's why I said 'reproductive strategies' not third genders lmao, but I think the true trans poster was probably only talking about binary gender troons anyway.
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> looking for proof of transgender and nonbinary people existing in different cultures throughout history
> ask a tumblr user if the third gender in some culture an actual third gender or just a subcategory for gay and pedophilic men created to exclude them from society
> xe doesn't understand
> pull out an illustrated diagram explaining what is social exclusion and what is gender
> xey laugh and say "it's a third gender miss"
> look it up
> it's a subcategory for gay and pedophilic men created to exclude them from society
No. 2044985
>>2044808>Anti-porn rhetoric makes lesbians feel ashamed to feel lust for women, or like feeling aroused by women is "moid brained"Ehhhh, yes and no. Yes women (incl. some radfems) make other women feel monster-like for having lesbian desires, but it's mostly their heterosexuality and general hang-ups about sex showing. The weird 'no sex depictions at all, even in movies' posturing is a good example of this. To tie it to anti-porn rhetoric (another issue) is bizarre, unless we include erotica and drawings in 'porn', then i agree that LC users can have extreme bad faith when it comes to lesbian smut. I presume the constant reference to 'scrotelike' fantasies and 'oh my godddd i hope i'm not a moid to you nonnas' makes them insecure. It's really, really annoying but again, don't see why they drag anti-porn into this.
>Radfems hate GNC women and assume all GNC women are troons/eggsMostly untrue. Radfems can be surprisingly conventional and ridden with intra-female competition depsite claims to undermine gender, so i get why a more masculine/direct woman would struggle with them. They still have lots of appreciation for GNC women from what i've experienced. The use of 'hate' comes off as really dramatic.
/g/ posters make some legit critiques of radfems/GCs but they judge feminism like they'd judge a friend group. Saying things like 'GCs aren't sincere when they defend GNC women' why does it matter if they're sincere or not? They're countering the mainstream messaging about us, they're not trying to be our friends and care about our precious little hearts. To be fair radfems often have the same issue of thinking a political line is a friend group, and ironically chastize GCs on a similar basis. I really dislike this fragile stance, unless someone insults you or implies you're predatory/repulsive/whatever (which can happen) there's no reason to be so offended and anxious.
No. 2044987
>>2044931TIFs love terrible shaved hairstyles. They always pick the kinds that don't suit them and it looks like they did it in the mirror at 3am with pet fur trimmers. They also like DIY rainby hair that also doesn't suit them and displays a total lack of knowledge on how hair dye works, but that seems to be going out of fashion nowadays. Anything short or ugly, like mullets or pixie cuts, that the cool GNC girls wore in 80s movies, but the Wish version of that, with way too much gel. Whatever hairstyle they choose it's always greasy because TIFs are too
triggered by their icky girl bodies to shower.
TIMs skinwalk their porn addictions. Younger ones go for bright wigs and cat ear headbands, older ones attempt the hairstyles that were in Playboy back in their day, quite a lot of them don't even try and just grow their remaining hair out into ratty greasy strings. The hair is always filthy regardless of whether it's a wig or not because they're too busy gooning to AI porn to care about lice, and pornsick moids never shower anyway regardless of what they identify as.
No. 2044990
>>2044985The discussions of smut and smut-bashing are pretty specific to lolcow though, lolcow is full of weebs who love infighting about their different erotic art and attractions but it's not normal at all in any other GC-heavy communities I've been part of to see people infighting about lesbian cartoons. On the topic of movies I don't like graphic depictions of sex in movies most of the time because honestly they are not that far from porn in many ways and it's just unnecessary, and I still don't understand what this has to do with lesbians. A vast majority of sex in media is straight/gay male, there is very little lesbian sex depicted in movies.
I also agree that radfem communities (and all other feminist communities since feminist communities started to exist) are ridden with intra-female competition but I don't think radfems explicitly have any issue with GNC women. Plus the type of GNC behavior radfem communities tend to struggle with is not what most lesbians have anyway - meaning more masculine presentation - but rather a more aggressive demeanor or being not very nice to other women. Ironically I think most lesbians tend to be nicer to other women than average. Radfem communities love GNC clothing and presentation though, always have. Almost everyone in the radfem communities I've been exposed to is either a lesbian or bisexual or an extremely GNC presenting straight woman so I don't know where this critique that radfems 'don't defend' GNC women comes from, they are almost exclusively GNC women since one of the main tenets of modern radical feminism is a hatred for gender conformity.
No. 2045006
>>2044990>it's not normal at all in any other GC-heavy communities I've been part of to see people infighting about lesbian cartoons.Yep, it comes off as tunnel vision.
>I still don't understand what (sex in movies) has to do with lesbiansWell, i've seen radfems/GCs take issue with lesbian sex scenes in films that weren't even porn-like, just because 'a man would love this'. It's like they can't turn off their train of thought about men even if they're discussing women's enjoyment of lesbian erotica. It's not frequent but i've seen it so i know this particular brainrot isn't exclusive to LC
No. 2045023
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weird
No. 2045087
>>2044995'Yeah, I can tell'
>>2044969Troonism is misogyny all the way down. That's the one thing none of these NLOGs will ever acknowledge. It's funny though that all the focus on uwu backwards brown jungle ppl who are sooo enlightened has only brought up examples of pedos existing throughout history, but because they have a very speshul 3rd gender or caste system, it's totally OK and it's racist to point out that the men who made a system specifically to kidnap and fuck little boys are pedos.
You'd think that the bleeding heart crowd would be able to tell that preaching that all non-YTs are massive retards who can't tell what a woman is is racist, but they're the ones who go around doing this.
No. 2045365
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>>2042602To the anon who was talking about their gay friend who has cusping troon brother, I have to admit that when I try talking about this stuff with my normie TRA friends, they do a similar thing where they ask me for proof of TIMs wreaking havoc on women and whenever I redirect them to articles, they simply hand wave them essentially saying that they are cherry-picked and bias and that "real" trans people are normal and just trying to live their lives.
I've tried to explain to them that it's the principle of the situation, that allowing "true trans" TIMs into women and girls spaces, it really does open the floor to any kind of man to enter and do what they've been doing. They think I'm just being paranoid.
One of my acquaintances even pointed out how I'm being hypocritical for getting on TIMs assaulting women in our spaces but ignoring the TIFs who enter men's spaces to which I explained that TIFs aren't assaulting men in their spaces the way TIMs are doing that to women in our own spaces so they're a higher threat. They still thought I was being bias only focusing on the TIMs though. But the fact that you can't find reports of TIFs or Enbys assaulting men should really be obvious why it's not happening but they're too dumb to notice that. And in the end, I find myself getting a bit heated at times when we talk about this stuff.
I'm trying to not talk about this stuff anymore with them because it feels like they'll never understand where I'm coming from and many of them are such whipping girls for TIMs. I guess my question is, have any of you dealt with this when trying to debate this stuff only to have your sources invalidated and told it's irrelevant? How is one supposed to keep their composure when all your arguments are being turned down and invalidated?
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>>2045365You accuse them of lacking compassion for rape
victims. there are plenty of examples you can use:
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13443635/rapist-prisoner-trans-cellmate-California-women.htmlGuilt-trip them at every opportunity.
No. 2045433
>>2045365>>2045429It's like having Christian friends who are adamant that the earth is 6,000 years old and God created the world in 7 days. You can show them a hundred fossils and they'll just shrug and say "God works in mysterious ways" or "Satan is the Great Deceiver" because to acknowledge otherwise would mean acknowledging that their entire worldview is false, they've been wasting their time going to church and they've bought into a lie, (they might now go to Hell for not being a believer), and all of their Christian friends will now disown them for being a heretic.
Seriously, you can't use logic to convince a TRA of GC talking points, they just need to have their own IRL encounter with a creepy TIM in a women's bathroom and then the scales will fall from their eyes.
It's good to be able to have friends that you can disagree with while still remaining friends, be glad that they haven't unfriended you for your wrongthink. Hopefully if they ever do have a peaking moment they will trust you as a safe person to discuss their new heretical ideas with.
No. 2045453
>>2045433Yeah I suppose you're right that it's pretty much like arguing religion and that there just isn't any convincing if the person refuses to actually use critical thinking and be perceptive of patterns.
Yeah my friends haven't totally disowned me and at worse, I only have one friend who said that I'm transphobic and just need to understand that there is such thing as people being born in the wrong body and has since stopped talking to me as much but my other friends haven't done this to me just yet.
No. 2045464
I have a similar problem though in my situation, I have friends who understand that I don't support gender ideology but they try to convince me to believe that there are "real" trans people and that I should just use preferred pronouns to "be nice" and to not worry about every TIM that enters women's spaces. It's so annoying how naive they are and like
>>2045429 I have tried directing my friends to the reports of troon fuckery but they disregard it.
The thing that brought up our differing views was when we talking about the upcoming elections and how they're planning to vote for Biden to which I said I'm not sure if I'll vote for him because the democratic party has been awful with this trans stuff. I'm not a conservative by any means and I don't necessarily see me voting conservative but I've been thinking a lot about what has been happening with Biden's run these last few years.
No. 2045495
>>2045453I'd bet that most of us posting ITT peaked and became GC either because we're a former TIF who eventually realized that they'd been sucked into a cult full of predators, or because we're a nerdy woman who's had a lot of unpleasant interactions with troons because we're involved in hobbies/activities where a lot of troons congregate, like anime conventions, video games and DnD, art school, etc. Most normies don't have much exposure to troons IRL except for maybe seeing HSTS like Laverne Cox and Elliott Page on TV occasionally, so they don't have much reason to look deeper into the issue. It's like - I don't have family members in Ukraine, Russia, Israel, or Palestine, so I don't have any reason to keep up with what's going on with those wars, I have no personal stake in it. If you don't have to actually interact with troons IRL, and virtually all mainstream media outlets, all major medical boards, and even President Biden are in agreement that yes, you can be born in the wrong body, troons are the most vulnerable population alive, and the only reason anyone would ever dislike them is if they're a right wing Christian Republican Nazi bigot, why would you feel the need to question the popular narrative?
No. 2045580
>>2045365This is why I hate when people invoke the 'slippery slope fallacy.' It's only a fallacy if it isn't a slippery slope, but most of the time when people warn about a slippery slope it's because it's actually there. Now everyone who took a philosophy 101 class in high school thinks they're really deep and rational and that they're destroying idiots in arguments when they say 'but that's a fallacy!' even if you can provide them with tons of evidence that the thing in question is actually happening at increasing rates.
It might help to link them to one of those huge lists (like thisneverhappens) of all the thousands of situations where a thing happens. That was actually one of the major factors that led to my total peaking, I was already feeling uneasy about the ideology and the TIMs I met in real life but I assumed they were outliers or 'bad' examples, then I found some super obscure website (wish I remembered the link) that had a list of like 300 hyperlinks to various trans bathroom assaults and started to really rethink my view that it was just a 'tiny minority' then. Trans people are supposed to be a tiny minority already, why are there hundreds/thousands of examples of them raping women in prison, winning women's sports, assaulting women in bathrooms, being overrepresented as sex offenders in prison systems all over the world and so on if they're such a small group already and the number of them who do 'bad' things is supposedly a tiny minority of that tiny minority?
I think your friends who think you are just being paranoid just have a bit of motivated cognition/rationalization going on. They might feel uneasy when you give them examples but not want to look at them because they don't want to experience the cognitive dissonance that comes with confirming a bias they don't want to have. That's why they often won't accept one-off examples, or sometimes even huge long lists, but sometimes they will come around eventually when they can't bat the 'bad thoughts' away anymore and the evidence keeps staring them in the face.
If it helps I used to be one of those people who reacted 'oh no need to go down that rabbit hole' when I saw examples but I eventually came around, and this was back in 2015-2016 when there weren't as many examples. It is probably pointless to keep directly arguing with your friends but you planted a seed, and that seed may eventually sprout.
No. 2045584
>>2045433>Hopefully if they ever do have a peaking moment they will trust you as a safe person to discuss their new heretical ideas with.NTAYRT but this happened to me a few times, both with the gender issue and with some other 'heretical' views I had. People would act like I was a big bad evil monster for saying negative things about TIMs or trans ideology, but when they eventually had their own 'oh shit' moment I was the first person they came to to try to talk it out. Just because they're not accepting your arguments now doesn't mean you haven't created a bit of awareness in them that they may eventually come back to.
It was the same thing for me, the first person who used to say terfy shit to me was someone I kept brushing off as meanspirited, crazy, and a conspiracy theorist but I still remembered some of the things she'd said and when I finally had my own peaking moment I went to her to talk about it because I knew she was a safe person to discuss my wrongthink with. It actually led to us bonding a lot more.
No. 2045589
>>2045495Not me, I'm on the surface a relative normie with extrovert interests (although I am more into weird internet communities than most normies) but even in my normie irl communities I kept encountering TIMs at parties, through friends, and through the music community. I had 'trans positive' views mostly because I went to college and colleges are full of people pushing these views, but by the same token college and the people I met there also exposed me to how stupid and dangerous trans ideology can be. I think it depends where you live but any young person who goes to school or works in a really liberal city will probably be exposed to a bunch of troons irl by default, but first they're usually exposed to troon ideology by default from teachers and professors and other student activists. For older people it's harder because a lot of older normies simply don't encounter that many troons, so some of the most incredibly out of touch TRA libfems I know are middle aged women with high school/college aged kids who exposed them to gender ideology.
>>2045503> a sub on reddit of TIMs who'd take pictures of their boners while in the women's restroomWhat's the subreddit nonna?
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>>2045365Perhaps you need to start with the basics, nonna. The whole thing is flawed because "man" and "woman" have referred to biological sexes for all of linguistic history, and the biological sexes within mammals are a matter of who produces small gametes and who produces large ones. Humans cannot change sex. Therefore men cannot become women, and vice versa. What is
actually happening during so-called transition, is that someone attempts to switch from one "social gender" to the other. However, the idea of a "social gender" is sexist in the first place, because it's just the idea that "girls should like these things and boys like these tings" writ large - its just culture reproduced and developed over the span of history, it has no actual material justifications. I find that as long as you remain firm in the fact that humans are mammals, who function as mammals do and are differentiated as such, and the rest is a spiderweb of social info originating in the oppression of women, there is little to argue with.
Once this has sat with them for a long time, you can try to slip in differences between male and female libido, how it's observable and recorded, and how transgenderism makes sense from that point. Men's libidinal drives innately having an element of domination and ownership, these things overlapping with coomerism and online BDSM culture, and then the connections should start to become clear.
If all else fails, always listen to trans people - screenshots of their own posted lunacy. The real difficult part is doing all of this while trying to not seem insane, even though it is insanity-inducing just because of how dumb it all is.
No. 2045642
>>2045630Unfortunately nonna although that is the first thing that inoculated me against TRA ideology in the first place and led to me peaking, I've found it's shockingly ineffective as an argument with most liberals. A lot of them have a deeply ingrained idea that sex stereotypes/"gender roles" are real and innate - more real and innate and important than biology itself! - and that therefore maintaining and upholding them is a positive. They might deny that consciously and pretend they don't believe it, but they usually do and it's really hard to convince them with that argument. It's also hard to convince them, even if they get your point, that people 'pretending' to be the opposite sex presents a real danger if all they're doing is 'playing with gender roles' because again, they don't want to get rid of gender roles even if they think they're currently too oppressive.
I find that whenever I try to make these arguments most libfem/TRA/idPol supporters either get stuck in a mental loop of 'yeah but who are you to say someone can't decide their identity and that their sex is more materially important than their social role that they can totally decide on' or they start giving examples of how they don't think any of this started with the oppression of women. Libfems are deep in their 'femininity and submission/subservience isn't oppressive, it's empowering actually' BS so unless you're talking to someone who is already very GNC they won't get your argument that heels were meant to hobble and sexualize women or that eyeliner isn't actually Literal Armor that gives them succubus power over men. Lots of people are highly invested in this shit because they spent their whole lives upholding their roles and can't imagine not doing it, and also because the idea that you can tell people what to think of you and demand they see you the way you see yourself is very convenient for them. Normies don't want to be told 'you think you're smart but objectively you aren't' and they also don't want to be told 'you think wearing high heels and spending thousands of dollars on makeup and plastic surgery improves your life but it actually doesn't and is bad for you.'
No. 2045660
>>2045365>One of my acquaintances even pointed out how I'm being hypocritical for getting on TIMs assaulting women in our spaces but ignoring the TIFs who enter men's spacesRemind your friend that males commit 90% of violent crime and 95% of sex crimes. Most of the
victims of sex crimes were female. These statistics were like this before a significant number of people started changing sex markers on official documents. Females are almost never a danger to males, whereas males are basically the number one threat to a woman's safety. Women shouldn't have to house men in their spaces because men are raping and assaulting each other.
No. 2045664
>>2045642ayrt, I guess it would entirely depend on where you are in the world and your social class. I've had success with going to the bare bones of things, but the people I've been talking to are rural people in a non anglo-american country where the modern understanding of gender hasn't taken as much of a hold yet, and a lot of women issues are still seen through the lens of biology. Depressing stuff happening within the social layers of those who will become tomorrows cultural reproducers.
Still stand by the idea of listening to trans people though, and the unhinged things they say. Was making my way through new Redfem episodes today, and the most recent one mentioned how the british MP Angela Rayner had sung the praises of a TIM that once had his twitter name as "Savile's apprentice" or something like that. If all else fails, you can always count on them to tell you who they really are.
No. 2045688
>>2045664AYRT and yeah I agree it highly depends on the social milieu you're in. Those bare bones things will usually work on people from somewhat more traditional cultures or people who aren't very 'on the internet.' People who are living and working in liberal western cities and have gone to western liberal colleges/spent a lot of time in college zoomer environments likely won't respond to those arguments very well though since they've been primed to reject the idea that biosex is important at all.
Listen to trans people is great if you can actually get people to do it, but I had very little luck directing people to r/MTF or whatever to actually see what TIMs say about themselves. If I went and found them screenshots myself they would claim I was 'cherry picking' or those were fake examples, but if I told them to look for themselves they would say they feel uncomfortable doing that or infringing on 'private' transfem spaces and would rather listen to what trans people want to tell them in news articles than what they talk about amongst themselves on reddit. You can always try to get them to read Andrea Long Chu though.
No. 2046000
>>2045665AYRT and though I haven't tried this angle, I have a feeling that it won't really make a difference because after witnessing how quick they're able to disregard the things I've already brought up, I feel like they'll just respond in a similar way that
>>2045690 shared. Most of these people refuse to see the bigger picture and think about the future that these actions will lead up to. I've even tried making some of them realize that all these self-ID laws is gonna set a hellscape for the children of the next generation and they still didn't seem to care much at all.
No. 2046002
>>2045589>What's the subreddit nonna?It was the old subreddit that got banned r/It'sAfetish
I also remember seeing another thread of this on 4chan but this was years ago.
No. 2046009
>>2045580AYRT and I'll try your suggestion next time we have a discussion about this stuff. At most I've tried hyperlinking them to WomenAreHuman with the "crime" pinged on it but they still didn't want to read any of the incidents but maybe they'll at the very least see that these occurences are not as rare as they may think when they see them presented in a simpler list format. I think something that can make it hard to get these arguments across is that many of these blind TRAs are so focused on their own home-stretch. If there aren't many troon crimes being committed where one lives (which where I live, there aren't many), it makes these people really not care all that much and make it easier to disregard this argument and in turn, they won't realize the bigger reasoning on why these crimes should be taken seriously regardless where you live.
>If it helps I used to be one of those people who reacted 'oh no need to go down that rabbit hole' when I saw examples but I eventually came around, and this was back in 2015-2016 when there weren't as many examples. It is probably pointless to keep directly arguing with your friends but you planted a seed, and that seed may eventually sprout.I hope you're right anon because it stinks being the only one you know IRL who does not believe and validate troonery.
No. 2046010
>>2046000I'm the anon who mentioned the counterarguments people always use and I wanted to mention that it's also pretty funny that they use these arguments because it shows how deep they are in gender ideology and why they have such a hard time getting out of it. Sane women who know about male nature think 'a lot of what men do, especially violent/predatory men, is motivated by a deep desire to harm and dominate women, and men will go to great lengths to harm women for their fetish/power fantasy. This is part of why AGPs who don't even have dysphoria will go to great lengths like changing their birth certificate sex in order to get into women's bathrooms/change rooms. By the same token, non-AGP men who don't even like crossdressing with these proclivities will also go to equally great lengths to gain access to women's bathrooms and change rooms, up to and including changing the sex marker on their documents. If all you have to do is verbally tell someone I'm a woman, tons of predatory men will do that without putting any effort into even looking like a woman, because they can and their motivation is to be predatory.'
On the other hand TRAs will think 'AGPs must really feel and think they are women deep down, because gender is so deeply ingrained that they would not be able to claim they're women and dress as women and change their gender marker on their birth certificate if they weren't deeply convinced they're really women. This means that normal non-AGP men definitely, definitely would never do such a thing, or even verbally claim they're women, because they would feel so horrified and violated to have to deny their real gender that it would be basically impossible!'
What these people don't understand is that most people don't have such a deep and ingrained sense of gender that it would affect their other actions and motivations to that degree, and it's really no big deal (even to your average predatory 'cis' man) to just say he's a woman in order to get what he wants. Therefore they don't believe that it's possible that's what AGPs are doing either. This just demonstrates that it's hard to convince them with 'gender isn't real it's just stereotypes' arguments because they believe in deep, all-consuming gender roles so vehemently they find it inconceivable that someone could or would just lie about their gender. They think troons wouldn't, and they also think 'cis' men wouldn't.
No. 2046024
>>2046009Yeah the thing that really wowed me was just like a long list of hyperlinks (many of which had the headlines in the links because they were regular news stories from like local news sites), at first I didn't believe and clicked on some randomly thinking they were fake stories but I realized they were all real and there were so many of them. It's too bad it's hard to find good compilations like that now but I think psychologically being presented with a big list and told 'take your pick you can check out as many of these or as few of these as you want' feels less like you're being tricked or led down the garden path than having someone hand select the most horrifying stories and send them to you individually.
The other option is to just ask them 'if you think this is rare and has nothing to do with them being male, can you find me as many stories of trans men doing this?' That works especially well with the sports arguments, whenever someone says 'trans women don't have an advantage in sports, they win women's sports so rarely' I ask them to show me where any trans man has won a sports event against males. Oh, so that's what a thing that actually NEVER happens looks like? So what's the common denominator between predatory men and predatory transwomen that somehow excludes transmen?
If it makes you feel any better anon I was the first person to peak in my entire main social circle and at first I was actually super scared to even mention my views to anyone. When I did a lot of them acted anywhere from doubtful to full on thinking I was a bigot. But after several years many people in that friend group changed their mind and started admitting to me that they saw it too. I don't know if it will be the same with your friends or not, it depends on what they're like specifically but it might just take some time. It's already a good sign that they're not screeching at you and calling you a bigot and excommunicating you from their friend group, it means they probably think you are well meaning at least and might consider your points more seriously.
No. 2046027
>>2045660AYRT I've actually tried mentioning this and they just shut me out saying "You shouldn't generalize men". Also they would say that statistics don't matter because it's not real life. I'm telling you, my friends are that deep in the denial of the facts and because they're handmaidens, they don't want to criticize men too much and they can't seem to separate class statement vs individual judgment and just default to "not all men".
>>2045686I'll give your example a try, maybe my friends will play along and this can be a way to show them how TIFs are nowhere near a threat to others physically compared to the TIMs.
No. 2046030
>>2045696I'm the anon who mentioned the gay friend and cusping troon brother and this is something my gay friend pointed out on how men, even gay men, can be very apathetic to our plight because they know that this stuff doesn't affect them and this is why it's hard for my gay friend to get other men, at least gay men (like his brother) to care more about this because they're not the ones getting the damaging blowback from trans ideology and/or they're the ones who fetishize femininity.
I feel you though anon, as someone who partakes in some fandoms, it can be an absolutely nightmare trying to be active in them when so many of them have been ensnared by troon fuckery.
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No. 2046044
>>2046027> they just shut me out saying "You shouldn't generalize men". Also they would say that statistics don't matter because it's not real life.So they understand your point and know what you're saying but are just being disingenuous because reality makes them uncomfy. If they really didn't realize men were more violent they would be curious about these stats, not making excuses about them. But also
>don't generalize menIf you can't generalize men then how does a trans man know 'he' is a 'man'? Either there is something generalizable as a 'man' or there isn't, troonism makes no sense if you can't generalize by gender.
No. 2046050
>>2046037I think both the Dem and Rep parties in the US have benefited from holding the threat of taking away abortion rights over women's heads, Dems could have tried to create federal abortion laws decades ago but never even tried, instead getting state politicians to push more and more incendiary and unnecessary unpopular policies like 'late term' abortions to get the religious right riled up against them. As far as I know they still are not trying and are just going 'see what you did, Americans? You voted in trump and got Roe v Wade repealed, serves you right!' However I think with abortion being legal and normalized in almost every other modern country there is a good chance that the US will eventually get federal laws implemented allowing abortions one way or the other, I even think many Republicans would support and vote for this. I know 'it will probably happen soon' doesn't solve the issues women are experiencing right now, but I think it's hopeful.
On the other hand I am concerned that pushing through troon shit and laws explicitly removing women's sex-based rights as Democrats are doing right now may actually make it harder to campaign for women's reproductive rights, since you need women as a sex class to exist under the law in order to best fight for women's reproductive rights to be legally recognized. I know there are other angles that can be taken like medical privacy (what Roe v Wade was initially based on) but the Dems also made it very clear they are against medical privacy in the last 4 years and are weakening that angle. I find it unlikely that gay rights will be threatened by mainstream Republican politicians now, even Trump supports gay rights. Again the biggest threat to gay rights is TRAs themselves because they're turning public sentiment against the 'LGBT' with their antics.
Both US parties are absolutely fucked and do nothing good. But Dems might be more dangerous for women's rights at this current moment because they are starting middle eastern wars, mass importing immigrants from misogynistic countries and saying it's not a problem if non-citizens without ID vote, taking away the legal definition of women and sex-based rights from federal law, and even attacking medical privacy/autonomy to a greater degree than Republicans have while completely refusing to actively do anything federally about abortion. I think for women's rights in general many women might be better off not voting for democrats but moving to a blue or purple state that has robust abortion laws that aren't under attack if at all possible, although I know this opinion is likely unpopular here. At this rate the push for gender ideology (just 'men's rights' under a different name) is going to foment widespread hatred for feminism and gay rights and create a lot of reactionaries.
No. 2046052
>>2046048That's what I would recommend too if her friends are as dumb and unwilling to listen as she makes them sound, but to be fair in certain environments (college environments, very liberal cities, arts circles) it feels almost impossible to find people who aren't this cucked by gender ideology.
I personally had some luck finding those people but I had to go semi-public with my views for a long time before my friends started confiding in me, and a lot of people are scared to openly say they don't believe in gendershit so even if they're around, how do you find them? I guess just by trying to be friends with the most absolutely apolitical normies who came from slightly more conservative countries or rural areas? People with too many general 'extrovert' hobbies to spend a lot of time on twitter?
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Why am I getting recommended gender videos with 4 views, I watch minecraft videos and let's plays. It's just a video of a guy injecting hrt into his leg. Is this a pride month thing?
No. 2046438
>>2046258AYRT and yeah, I'm gonna try some of the other tactics that some other anons have suggested but if that doesn't work, fuck it, I can simply acknowledge that they are too retarded to have this discussion with. The "statistics aren't real life" thing is one they always slide into whenever I'm about to bring up numbers involving the crimes or certain observations like the AGP fetish stuff. I think it's just their cognitive dissonance about to kick in and they want to not engage with it lest I actually make some sense but I'm getting to a point now where my patience is borderline non-existent with people like this.
They say that statistics don't mean anything because it doesn't affect real life and then end with "not all trans" (not all men). And get this, they have the fucking gall to say that I'm just being bigoted and need to educate myself while they think they are so deep and profound. I hate talking ill of my friends but they're so fucking retarded with this topic that a little part of me dies inside when we discuss this and it makes me wish something that I could go back to like 2015/2016 when trans stuff wasn't such a highly public issue and you didn't hear much talk about it.
No. 2046440
>>2046048AYRT and I feel like I might have to end up doing that because if they're that condescencding to me when I'm trying to speak up on something I believe in plus have the facts to back it up, who knows what else they may do. We were friends before the trans cray took over and met through fandom and we got along well until post 2017 and they became bleeding heart handmaidens for troons.
It's frustrating because they say that when I start getting passive aggressive after they shut down my arguments, they say I'm too emotional to have the talk and that it's clouding my judgment yet they're the ones who are being emotional. They always tends to go towards "well you don't know how that makes "her" feel" (when I call TIMs by he/him pronouns) or "TIMs need protection from men, they are scared and vulnerable" (when talking about the bathroom issue) and because I'm direct in saying that those things aren't our problem, they call me emotional.
No. 2046562
>>2046048AYRT and I wasn't even suggesting to vote at all, I think not voting is a legitimate option if you hate both candidates/parties. However you can still try to 'vote with your feet' by for example relocating to a state whose state politics you like more than other states (I know this is impossible for most people in the short term, it's just the most drastic long term example), by doing direct activism about an issue or sending letters to your own senators/congresspeople complaining that you will no longer vote for their party (if they're part of the party you normally vote for) unless they change X Y Z policy, or that you would consider voting for them if they considered supporting X Y Z policy (if they're a party you normally wouldn't vote for), even participating more in local and state elections rather than focusing on federal elections and try to do activism on that level. For example, currently for abortion in the US, there is more action happening around state laws than there is around the federal law so you might have more of an impact canvassing or volunteering for a cause or writing in to politicians on the state level. Saged because this is getting slightly off topic but I'd look around if there are any local radfem groups (or even cross-the-aisle feminist + conservative groups if you're comfortable with that) who are getting involved in canvassing for the restoration/protection of women's sex based rights and see if they have any ideas. Sometimes I got involved in things local radfem groups were organizing that were just like, all sending slight personalized variants on the same form letter about the trans issue. Your last option is if you have any personal experiences or know of a situation where troon activism is endangering others you can try to go to the media about it (even anonymously). Vote in local or regional news polls about sentiment on trans 'rights' issues if you can because polls shape opinion to some degree and politicians sometimes do care about the results of polling. Politicians are all basically psychopaths imo the higher up they go but I think when it comes to preserving women's rights and protections, politicians may drop it if they realize just how unpopular it is with the public. Normally I'd say 'don't bother because they don't care,' when they have their aims they're usually top down and not related to what the populace wants but I think it can be different for certain culture wars things because of how quickly people can become single issue voters about them (abortion is like this too imo, on the bright side… I don't think a majority of Americans actually want to get rid of abortion rights).
No. 2046626
>>2046438>They say that statistics don't mean anything because it doesn't affect real life and then end with "not all trans" (not all men).But who said anything about all of them? Even one man who legally gains access to women's shelters or prisons to rape women/children there is too many. Do they just think crimes don't count unless everyone commits them?
>makes me wish something that I could go back to like 2015/2016 when trans stuff wasn't such a highly public issueThis is interesting because I find it's the opposite. The peak of when I was hearing about trans shit and exposed to trans activism was around 2015-2018, and afterwards it seemed like the tide shifted a lot and people started to be much more trans critical or at least wary of them and their goals. Most of my irl friends are terfy now when they were trans supporting 5 years ago and I feel like news stories like Riley Gaines get more traction and sympathy now. It's interesting to hear that troon shit is picking up where you live, I wonder if it just peaked earlier in my area or if it seems like there's less of it to me because I'm older (? idk just assuming this might be the case) and most people adopt these views in college then drop them eventually?
No. 2046637
>>2046439I have low sympathy for people who troon out as adults but I have a lot of sympathy for the female children that were pushed into this before they could even give informed consent.
>>2046440Nonna after hearing more about your friends I really think you might have just outgrown them. I would find it maddening to try to talk to people about an issue that I care about/that directly affects me and have them constantly mocking me for being emotional while refusing to engage with any of my points, it doesn't really sound like they're acting respectful toward you. They care more about a random hypothetical TIM's feelings than yours?
No. 2047415
>>2044923You said it wouldn't be possible but you included in your own response the situation where it could be. Lol.
Because something could be possible doesn't mean it
will be possible or it's
likely to be possible.
>>2044929>>2044930You're missing the point. I didn't say I want this to happen nor that we should put effort into this, only that it was possible. But when you're so furious about a topic you miss the point because you read one thing and think another. This is what the original argument was:
>I still don't think people can transition to another sex than the one they're born as because as I have stated, science hasn't advantaged enough to be able to change a person's chromosomes or give them functional genetic organs. No. 2047446
>>2046626>This is interesting because I find it's the opposite. The peak of when I was hearing about trans shit and exposed to trans activism was around 2015-2018, and afterwards it seemed like the tide shifted a lot and people started to be much more trans critical or at least wary of them and their goals.Yeah I feel this way too. I think around 2016 trans stuff was more niche (mainly a Tumblr/college campus problem) and since it was so niche most normies were much more chill about it and had a very "live and let live" stance, they hadn't been exposed to the full insanity yet. If I tried to talk to normal IRL people about the cotton ceiling or neogenders they thought it was a dumb online problem that would never impact the real world. And even online most criticism had an anti-SJW angle or a transmedicalist angle, there was no popular feminist criticism of gender ideology.
Now there's a lot more GC content on normie social media and it's slipping into the public. My family knows GC talking points from scrolling Facebook and Twitter and will repeat them when the subject comes up. Also the insanity is becoming more visible and peaking people, everyone knows about Lia Thomas and Dylan Mulvaney and most people are at least somewhat aware of the JK Rowling drama.
No. 2047490
>>2046637>Nonna after hearing more about your friends I really think you might have just outgrown them. I would find it maddening to try to talk to people about an issue that I care about/that directly affects me and have them constantly mocking me for being emotional while refusing to engage with any of my points, it doesn't really sound like they're acting respectful toward you. They care more about a random hypothetical TIM's feelings than yours?AYRT, I've been thinking more about this and I think you're right that maybe I have outgrown. We met through fandom years ago and we got on so well but ever since I learned about true feminism and how much of a danger trans ideology is to us and just overall society and then noticing how nonchalant and handmaiden my friends are with them not even trying to engage with my arguments that are facts-based, I just don't think I'll be able to maintain a friendship with them any longer.
I know that it's foolish to cut a friendship due to politics but this is something that really affects a majority half of the population that will only get worse if it doesn't get pushed back. I could try to look the other way if they kept it as simply preferring not to talk about it but it's them trying to gaslight me that I find very disrespectful and hurtful.
>They care more about a random hypothetical TIM's feelings than yours?They really seem to because they think that TIMs are harmless and vulnerable and can get very snippy when I say the contrary. One thing that especially drove this home was when I said that a vulnerable TIM still has a much better chance defending himself against a male attacker than if it were a male assaulting a woman. I can acknowledge that some men can be vulnerable and I feel for them but I don't think that we (women) should be used as shields for them and that is something my friends don't agree with.
No. 2047584
>>2047505ntayrt but I have a friend like that. she's bisexual and gender non-conforming, and really buys into the false idea that transness = rejecting gender stereotypes instead of the reality that it reinforces them. she's generally pretty smart and anytime i gently question the logic she says "i know what you mean, yeah…." and can't really argue against it. But I honestly think she just enjoys the aesthetics - she just sees all this stuff as fun, she's also very "be kind" and liberal about anything to do with self-expression. She doesn't want to ruin her fun by thinking too much about the harms, sexism, stereotyping or even just the absence of logic.
it sucks sometimes but honestly she accepts my position and i accept hers and we manage to be good friends, so i appreciate that.
No. 2047682
My best friend in the whole world called a fat, balding, sexual assaulter t4t tranny friend of hers a 'gold star lesbian' in a conversation to me the other day and it makes me want to kms. Like, full-body disgust that someone I respect would say something so twisted. He wasn't even present.
She's very much a "let everyone just live!" variety of TRA, in addition she has a TIF younger sister so she's deep in the rot at this point. How the hell do I unfuck her brain? She can be very trusting but she's not stupid. She knows what a man is, she's been abused by men her whole life and so has her sister. It's really funny though because she accidentally misgenders her 'brother' all the time, so I know she can't be fully captured, right? I try to feed her little bits of info, like cracking misandrist jokes and emphasizing things that women can do that men can't and just generally being female positive, and most importantly I never, ever talk about trans rights/issues. I never bring them up at all so she has to know how I feel about this! I love her and I desperately want her to wake the fuck up. There's so much more, but I'm just venting into the wind because I know some of you understand. Thanks nonas.
No. 2048015
>>2047446AYRT and yeah you make a good point about how when something is a niche college thing people just think they should accept it to be nice until it starts affecting them. But back then I also knew people (like my bisexual exgf I'm still very close with) who was like pretty terfy in most other ways but actually knew troons and was very like 'omg they're great! i would date a TIM! they're so nice!' but by like 2019 she was like 'anon I think I'm a
TERF now… omg I can't stand these people they're so insane and they want to take gay rights and women's rights away.' So sometimes even people who were exposed to troons for a long time were accepting, until they'd had enough of it I guess.
I think even though it's not the most important aspect of troon degeneracy by far, the sports issue has peaked a huge number of people. Lots of normies are really into/care about sports and the rapidly increasing visibility of troons winning women's sports + testimonies of women harmed by them really opened a lot of people's eyes to the fact that TRAs will never stop if they're given the slightest leeway.
No. 2048017
>>2047959>I highly recommend branching out and making some normie friends by getting involved in some offline normie hobbies.It's easier said than done unfortunately. I don't have time for other hobbies these days and most events where I could meet random people my age tend to center around things that really don't interest me at all. Even then, I think the only normies who would be willing to hang out with me are from my ethnicity because of racism and they're mostly muslim, that's way worse than the friends I have who occasionally shit on JKR because they read a headline about her out of context. No way I'll even talk about this kind of topic with my coworkers or ex-coworkers I get along with because we work in HR, I don't want to ruin my career over that shit either.
By the way, I forgot to mention it but among my TRA friends, one of them used the good old "twaw, just like how black women are real women" even though she's black. Girl, trannies hate you and would call you racist and sexist slurs behind your back if they knew you! I struggled so hard to shut my mouth when that happened. She's not that stupid, I was shocked that she didn't understand the racist implications of that argument. Nobody in out friend group is white or perfectly feminine even though we're all straight (except for the borderline fakeboi who claims she's aromantic asexual and only attracted to her 2D husbandos) so you just know we'd make TIMs seethe by existing, yet she's the first to defend them.
No. 2048020
>>2047682I'm sorry anon I had a similar experience with one of my 2 best friends who I'd been friends with for over a decade. I actually managed to somewhat convert her on trans issues organically (because she was lesbian and would mention these things making her uncomfortable) but since we stopped being friends she's gone full troon pandering again with a vengeance. Us not being friends anymore is kind of unrelated, but also related to the same 'I believe whatever the mainstream believes and think I'm so nice for protecting predators' mindset it just wasn't about troons specifically.
As with my ex friend I suspect your friend knows (everyone knows) that transgenderism isn't real if she even accidentally misgenders her sister, the question is will she actually act on her knowledge eventually or will she push herself further into cognitive dissonance to be 'nice' and feel good about herself like my friend did?
No. 2048025
>>2047906Slow fading all my queer artiste liberal academia marxist larper friends was the best thing I've ever done for myself honestly. Not all my remaining friends are full normies but they're more normie-like in the sense that they have mostly offline hobbies interests and careers, aren't obsessed with partisan politics, don't spend much time on social media. You can meet people who have some weird interests and opinions and are not total normies but who still aren't plugged into the online borg/hivemind to the point of it becoming their whole personality and I think that's the best compromise I've found to have friends who I actually find interesting and still stay out of these unbearable online leftist communities.
That being said I went through some stuff in life recently that caused me to give a lot of actual run of the mill normie normie seeming people a chance and a lot of them are way more interesting than I thought. I know most people probably don't have hidden depths but I was surprised at how some of the people I know who have the most boring jobs and wear the most normal clothing and don't openly express having any 'weird' interests will actually have highly specific hobbies, strong opinions, sperg about really weird micro-interests in a fascinating way, etc. I wish I had given them a chance earlier instead of hanging out with liberal arts college hyperqueers thinking they were more 'interesting' when they're actually hyperconformist and get all their opinions straight from social media.
No. 2048045
>>2048017Semi blogpost but it's so infuriating how nice libfem-ish women always have very little involvement with TiM culture (hobbies infested with them, etc) and don't know much about them. I have such friends who oscillate between
TERF and TRA views. They ask hard questions, go through sudden mini-peaking when seeing blatant cases of predatory men trooning out but run to ask the one troon they know about what they should do/think. It's very strange, like they
feel it's wrong but willingly offer themselves to their handlers. Otherwise, they act dumbfounded when me (and other acquaintances) point out how TiMs are almost always fetishistic and/or creepy when it comes to boundaries. It's so annoying because they're not stupid or so brainwashed, but they rely a lot on their naivety and the more i meet such women, the more i think it's a little on purpose. This is the kind of person who tries real hard to interpret every insane/perverted thing a troon says as revolutionary quirky feminism, and ask about other's opinions on the matter, unprompted. I've come to believe this is their way of averting their gaze from the obvious pattern. You get the sense that they are sick of queer bullshit but they seek external help to hold it in (why?). These women will have, at most, one pet troon friend or two, yet feel like they can confidently defend the whole demographic against criticism. Most of the time it's a HSTS or TiF but sometimes an AGP will worm his way in and it leads to incidents (like trying to fuck every single woman he knows and otherwise acting like a delusional moid, sperging out at the tiniest imaginary slight, and other things i won't describe to stay vague but let's say they could be seen as SA). I've had a couple run-ins with my almost-peaked friends and they can never take apart my arguments, only say it's transphobia and mean even if they 'get' TERFs. I'm thankful for the lack of witch-hunting on their part but still, it's irksome.
No. 2048994
>>2043907Yeah in my experience many scientists will ago along with gender stuff in public to stay out of trouble but don’t actually believe it and don’t let it affect their research. I used to work in oncology research and when giving seminars for the wider student population we were supposed to say “people with cervices” instead of women when talking about cervical cancer, for example. But once the presenter’s off the podium she or he goes right back to saying women and female and of course no one was doing cervical cancer research with cell lines derived from male patients. Everyone knows what sex is, they just say what they have to say to avoid TRA students kicking up a fuss.
You’re spot on about the blacklisting. Most people don’t realise what a major factor networking and connections are in finding employment as a scientist. It’s a small world and people talk. Few universities will hire someone who’s been cancelled. They don’t want the headache of employing someone who the students will throw tantrums over. Industry might be a better bet but their HR is often very strict in filtering out people who they expect to be a potential liability. I know female whistleblowers (in sexual harassment cases mostly) who left their fields entirely because they couldn’t find employment anymore. Whistleblower protection only goes so far and it’s easy for employers to claim they were rejected for completely unrelated reasons because every position gets like >200 international applicants anyway. It’s very difficult to prove you’ve been blacklisted for being an uppity woman but it absolutely does happen.
>>2048045The handmaidens who really baffle me are the ones who ARE into TIM-infested hobbies and still don’t peak. They often oscillate between defending the TIMs at the expense of their fellow women and, once a TIM has undeniably crossed the line, insisting that he’s not really a transgorl at all and akchully it harms REAL transgrills to even acknowledge that anything bad happened at all so better not talk about it and definitely don’t be more cautious next time! I’ve been watching this pattern play out in one hobby group for over a decade and while I suspect some long term members are cryptoterfs at this point, there are plenty of handmaidens who still haven’t learned. Even if they correctly identify the TIM right in front of them as a creepy incel in a wig, they’re so stuck on this concept of the mythical tr00trans that they stubbornly refuse to peak.
No. 2049031
>>2048994Yep regarding the scientist thing that's always been my experience. There are a few scientists I know who fully believe in TRA shit after tying themselves in knots about clownfish and whatever (like Julia Serano) but the vast majority just pay lip service if someone is watching and otherwise don't. When I was running some human research I asked a bunch of fellow students/postdocs what the best approach is to people who put nonstandard 'genders' or the wrong sex on their paperwork and they all said 'oh let them write down what they want and just change it after they leave' lmao. The appraoch is basically just 'don't piss anyone off, but make sure the correct sex is recorded/used no matter what.' And yeah STEM especially academic STEM is almost entirely networking-based, you can't do well if you don't know people and most people are virtue-signaling so you gotta virtue signal too. It only takes one genderspecial in an entire department for everyone to start walking on eggshells most of the time.
NTA the second half of your post is responding to but I've been surprised that hobby groups with TIMs who undeniably get outed as serial rapists and perverts still don't even go down the 'he's not a real transgorl' route. I've been in communities where they say he's justified in being a serial rapist because he was 'exploring his gender' and 'things were hard for her*' and if women don't like it they themselves need to remove themselves from the community or shut up.
No. 2049144
>>2047906Also wish I had more normie friends. I have some, but they aren't my best friends, but I'm trying to make more. I feel silly now for not wanting to have normie friends because they were "boring", but they have their own hobbies, interests, personality, but they just aren't fucking annoying about everything.
Before peaking I made friends with some TIFs and one gendie special dude. Now I peaked and I'm not sure what to do. The gendie dude isn't too bad since that's more of a work thing, the TIFs can be okay too, when they aren't talking about gender shit, it's not an issue. But once they go into their trans women are queens rants and gender is just made up (but at the same time you have to validate my very real gender identity?), it becomes annoying. I just ignore as best as I can and move on, not adding in additional commentary.
I know everyone will say to move on or whatever, but I don't want to be lonely or risk anything with my career. Plus, I'm afraid of the day I'd run into a TIM they're friends with. In a weird way, I wish I didn't peak since I could continue on as normal and not have to become more reserved with the people I befriend.
One thing that is good is I'm lucky none of my hobbies or interests really overlap with TIMs or any gender nonsense. I feel so sorry for any anons who like DND or anime. You guys have it rough.
No. 2049199
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I wonder if this stacy troll has a thread. Dunno if based for making trannies mad or cringe for wanting to larp as one.
No. 2049210
>>2049199KEK it's based because it only shows how trannies hate the idea of their spaces being invaded while they're pests invading women's spaces, if anything it's smart of her to do this kind of thing, a bit cringe because her face is on the internet but based of it's actually giving her a bunch of money.
Also, how gross is the moid even suggesting that she should be part of a porn category named "teen" disgusting as fuck, specially because she looks young, this only shows how moids are all a bunch of pedophiles.
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>>2049199KEK I feel like this is kinda bad on one level because she's doing cringe sexwork/thotshit at the end of the day and 1000% men jerked off to her, but it made me laugh. the replies on twitter are so fucking
triggered it's hilarious. "being trans is not a costume" yes it literally is this is not any different from the fucking linebacker moids putting on fake titties.
No. 2049215
>>2049210>it's based because it only shows how trannies hate the idea of their spaces being invaded while they're pests invading women's spaces^this
also stealing money/attention from trannies online is based
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>>2049199Forever laughing at this stupid ass ugly looking trannoid being like "leave us alone!!!" "we don't have the means to be a beautiful cis white teen like she is!!" Kek jealous much? Disgusting balding moid.
No. 2049265
>>2049255need more links. Zoe Moore is not the name on that account. Is lil_phoebee supposed to be the same as
https://www.instagram.com/zooe.moore/ ? is it some kind of AI project by a man? tf? why are the trannies so
triggered by it then?
No. 2049341
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>>2049255so a man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman?
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>>2049285I was thinking more like picrel but I guess you're right
No. 2049379
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>>2049214>>2049243I swear i've seen an actual female OF model do this a while ago. Maybe whoever is generating the AI is getting off on the idea of being a woman pretending to be a troon, as part of his fetish (and male competition). Incredible
Reading an old-ish (Transsexualism by Chiland, 1997) psych book about trans, pretty entertaining (very familiar portraits of TiMs/TiFs) and enlightening. Talks about how stupid masculine/feminine essence is, men's envy of women and women's 'penis envy' (a wish to have all the benefits that comes with a penis) and it somewhat predicts ROGD. It also features an interesting critique of the medical establishment. I put some examples in picrel but i especially wanted to discuss this quote:
>Transsexuals stage everything in the theatre of the body and nothing in that of the psyche. I like it because it really sums up troon derangement and its relation to narcissism. Whether it's about self-hating homosexuals who set to 'fix' themselves, AGPs who think they can become self-sufficient (when they are disordered) and fly into rage fits, ROGD girls who run away from mental anguish by blaming it on 'the wrong body'… You could switch 'Transsexuals' with 'Narcissists' and it's be just as accurate. People who struggle with narcissism (in a broad, psych way, not in a '
toxic abusive manipulator' way) have extremely fragile egos and often compensate by taking great care of their bodies. Think about the American Psycho shower scene. They engage in big displays of how much they love their perfect image (achievements, gym body, trans identity) because they don't have a baseline sense of contentment with themselves. Not all troons are narcissitic but all of them 'mimic' it by employing the same tactic, a flight from an uncomfortable mental fact and a flight from a psychic resolution. Whether it's bitterness and a wish to have all the things afforded to men (respect, admiration, a claim to objectivity) or a raging fetish that's incongruent with their appearance, it's always about denying their inner lives for a purely bodily solution. Which is why they love to say TERFs are reductionnists, it's a projection. Honest, difficult self-reflection is a troon's worst enemy. An entire industry of 'trans positive' therapists and doctors exists to give them a simulacra of therapy and 'care' while never striking the central nerve. It's honestly amazing how doctors are capable of lying to themselves and their patients despite their training
No. 2049697
I genuinely don't understand how girls who do OF and the like aren't peaking enne masse. I've worked as a phone sex operator for the last few years now out of necessity and let me tell you, these men are saying all the things they don't say in public. I'm a domme and pretty much every second guy I talk to is a closet sissy, or wears women's lingerie to get off at the least. I've spoken to moids who tell me they want to transition, some who already have, all born from a fetish. It's what initially peaked me and got me out of my libfem phase, unfortunately I've just had to stick around doing this.
I had this one troon who was obsessed with me for months. He'd talk about his ex gf to me, trauma dump on me, kept "joking" for me to move to his country. He sent me a photo of himself early on, think lilly cantino or whatever his name is, so very obviously male. At one point on a call he spends ages working up the courage to tell me "something" and when he finally lets it out, he tells me he's trans. Without even thinking (I'd peaked by this point) I was like "oh yeah, I know". Kek. Had to walk that one back saying I have a good intuition for these things because he was genuinely sooooo surprised I could tell. In case you're wondering (I'm sure you arent) he was mostly into sucking my toes in stockings. It's always stockings, pantihose, etc. Things ended between us when he asked me to be his girlfriend and move for realises and I was like lol no??? And he softly wept and thanked me for all the beautiful moments we shared before hanging up.
He was unfortunately the nicest of them, but even the nicest have the most delusional and misogynistic takes. I once asked a guy why he liked to become a woman when describing these degrading scenarios, and he said he doesn't really see himself as a woman, just a failed "creature", inhuman. Inhuman while wearing women's clothing, makeup, and acting out fantasies performed by porn actresses. None of them, I can tell you, see the cognitive dissonance in their interests and fantasies. This sentiment (the not quite male, not quite female) is something I've heard more than once. I hear it pretty often, actually. Even from men who like to be referred to as a "girl".
Trust me when I say it's vile typing this out, and it's unfortunately my day to day. What I'll say with absolute certainty is you'd have to be so completely brainwashed and consumed by patriarchy to not "work" in this industry and not start to hate troons eventually.
No. 2049888
>>2049763I work two jobs and this is just one of them. Chronic health issues prevent me working on my feet too long. Hoping to start studying something soon though, so it won't be forever.
>>2049804I'm not going to give you advice on this kek, it's not worth getting into. I make okay money but I've been doing it a while and have regulars. This "work" will break you, and if you aren't already black pilled on men you will be doing this. I've had some men say disgusting and depraved things, and often see
men in sissy outfits, wearing their wife's/girlfriends lingerie, men eating their own cum, putting all sorts of items in all sorts of areas. The only fun thing I do is making men beat themselves, but you don't get it that much anymore On that last point, I will say the amount of men into crossdressing/tranny shit has increased exponentially in the last few years. If they aren't already into it they do get into it eventually and it's terrifying. I've had moids who weren't originally into that stuff become addicted. It's honestly fucked.
No. 2049994
>>2049576Today I learned, having a painful period (I know endo is more than that but you get the point) means being trans…
Always when someone says (men), they cannot fathom how periods fell, I tell them, I am open to kick them repeatedly in the stomach, so they get a feeling for it.
No. 2050003
>>2049576god, I feel you. I'm not the type of person who can keep my mouth shut for long or be "fake" so this shit really gets to me. I have the exact same problem with how this tranny I know keeps saying retarded shit about how taking HRT is making him a weak little girl or how he needs a bra for his big boobies now. I genuinely just feel like this is mental illness and like I'm being forced to stay in some sort of asylum with a crazy person and everyone just cheers him on and I can't say anything because sanity is bigoted. it's maddening
>>2049697this sounds so horrible, holy shit.
>He was unfortunately the nicest of them, but even the nicest have the most delusional and misogynistic takes.this sums up every man I've ever known
>>2049901Being in anime fandoms for my country I've only ever seen AGPs
No. 2050030
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I'm watching The Blacklist (I know) and they just had the oldest, grossest tranny. He felt "seen from the third century BC" by a Sappho poem. He of course received it as a gift so he could cherish it "every day, twice a day."
No. 2050032
>>2049901~70-80% AGP. There's a decent crop of HSTS in big cities but it depends on where you look.
>>2050003I get that shit from AGP moids (outside of work) and i always go 'How curious! I've been 'on estrogen' for many years now and i don't deal with what you're describing. I don't know such
women either, how funny is that' and it embarrasses them, they mumble something about their feminine essence and don't bring it up again. But i'm not sure it'd work on your coworker because bringing this up at work is already really unhinged
>>2049697Thank you for the post, the 'inhuman failed thing' part is really disturbing but not surprising. I really hope you get out of this ASAP.
On the subject of phone sex, i knew that dommes were very common in that line of work (since there's no contact involved) but it used to be that 'full service' prostitutes only dealt with autogynephiles when they were at the end of their career or deemed 'undesirable' because of the toll the job took on them (at least in my country). It's pretty horrible because the implication is 'well now that you're discarded you get the repulsive loonies' but i feel the AGP cancer is so common nowadays that dealing with them is pretty much normal and expected from the get go, everywhere
No. 2050044
>>2050032Yeah when I've dealt with AGPs in social settings recently I try not to be ultra outwardly rude toward them if they're friends with some of my other friends (thankfully most of my friends started peaking so most of them don't hang out with AGPs anymore thank god). But I don't really humor them either. When they start talking about their womanliness I just act uninterested/confused, say I can't relate or 'that's weird' and try to avoid them talking to me by acting completely uninterested in what they have to say. Sometimes you can also get them on the defensive because they often start talking about issues of other minorities they're not part of and you can call them out on it and they will get defensive or embarrassed. I don't use preferred pronouns anymore (haven't for many years) but that isn't as relevant to direct interactions with troons since you don't use third person pronouns to their faces, so you have to be a bit more subtle about the fact you consider them LARPers, but usually you can do it in a way that will shut them down and make them avoid you without completely giving away that you are a '
terf.'
No. 2050148
>>2049901i mostly just seen troons passing me in the street so it's hard to tell at a glance but i would say mostly. insterestingly a lot of them were stick thin, not just normal skinny guys but like ED level shit.
otoh my mother works in a field that attracts flamboyant gay men and shes seen even some older ones falling for the troon shit. it's a plague
No. 2050173
>>2049901>in your country which percentage of hsts or agp that you commonly see? I’ve never heard of the term agp until I joined lolcow. At least where I’m from, they are exclusively hsts and I almost never see agp walking around in my country.They're not mutually exclusive. Dylan Mulvaney is a very obvious HSTS and AGP at the same time.
I think a lot of anons here have had personal experiences with the misfortune of knowing a nice transwoman, one who seemed to just be a shy closeted gay and/or autist, who seemed genuinely sweet and innocent, one that made you think users on LC were a bit too mean because clearly this guy was really suffering - only for it to slowly be revealed that he was super into the most degenerate shit behind closed doors, and the illusion cracked.
No. 2050357
>>2042688I agree that its just a meme, I see loser big name funnymen lefties on tumblr and twitter writing absolute fanfiction about how every
terf they encounter goes through a long night of the soul and comes out the other end a Catholic conservative. These posts get a ton of attention, but even before I peaked it read as complete posturing to me. You're telling me a significant portion of radfems you interacted with online from your blog that likes to bait radfems went on this path, and you saw it happen in real time?
I will say if you don't take your dose of grass touching, radfem spaces can get you into your head about how fucked you are. When I shifted from liberal feminism to a deeper feminist analysis, I was still pretty young and prone to catastrophizing. It's important to take stock of the things you do have going for you, the benefits of being female, and what you can do going forward to be more materially independent. And you should make a point to make friends with feminist women who you can have conversations with that don't totally revolve around gender issues.
Obviously I welcome anyone peaking, but when I see feminists start spiraling over awful news stories and depressing statistics I think its important to remember that you as a woman being miserable is no win for the movement. Don't seek out brutal news stories or pick fights with incels online if its becoming a form of self harm.
No. 2050383
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Just saw a tif with an abnormally feminine fat distribution. Built like a mother of 12 who can give birth in less than an hour
No. 2050418
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>mustache coming in nicely after 1 year of testosterone!
No. 2050436
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>>2050418What's the point of giving yourself osteoporosis just to have a raspier voice? You could've just picked up smoking… she apparently got the tit chop too.
No. 2050474
there’s a group chat i’m in, and it’s all women EXCEPT for this one random friend of friend person who is of fucking course a tif. she always bursts with random pics, share her hideous “trans oc” art and complains about most random stuff ever, paying little to no attention to the conversation in the chat. but that’s just part of the problem. today one of the girls shared an actual traumatic experience, where she was walking peacefully in the park and some fucking creep followed her around spewing bullshit and screaming at her, trying to touch her arm, etc. all the girls were sympathetic, of course, except from her. she only replied because one of the girls said “oh god i wish all men died”. lmao, she was so triggered, like “HEY i’m a man too”. no sympathy to the story whatsoever, no self awareness, just blatant ignorance. god this is so fucking stupid how others are STILL tolerant towards this person. because the reply she got was: “oh nooo please i’m so sorry you’re literally sooo different, not like other men”. i want to pull my eyes from my skull, SPARE me.
No. 2050764
>>2050755I can't point you to anything specific but use google scholar or pubmed.ncbi to look up articles on intersex condition or go on zlib to get a basic genetics/endocrinology textbook that discusses intersex conditions.
PCOS is not an intersex condition by the way, but if you are intersex my best advice is to look up the specific condition you've been diagnosed with on google scholar or pubmed. If you're comfortable sharing your specific condition I might be able to find more specifically relevant literature but intersex conditions vary and their effects vary.
No. 2050833
>>2050806I would suggest you do the karyotype testing regardeless. Idk if you have ever read about the 46, xy intersex? People with male karyotype but female (outer) phenotype. It can have different causes, mostly common is a testosterone insensitivity. That means your body produces testest. but doesn't react to it as expected. If that is the case, it may affect your health in longterm (idk, I have no expertise), since you have a prostate and therefore probably a risk associated with it for cancer???
You really should take care about your health.
A lot of people with this condition feel totally fine as women, they grew up as women, feel like a women, behave like women etc.
No. 2050850
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Kek, what is this? What does queer even means?
No. 2050903
>>2050898that's fair but I guess it's because I have some religious trauma. I'm not even close or see my family anymore but I feel like they would throw back laughing if they saw me wearing a cross kek. maybe I will get some cross jewelry and see how I feel wearing it.
>>2050899it feels edgy and unaesthetic because you cant really turn a print or jewelry upside down. a lot of upside down cross jewelry are really tacky too.
No. 2050987
Thank you all for the candor and willingness to engage, I really appreciate it. I just want to preface this reply with a disclaimer that I have no intent to proselytize or “prove myself” or anything like that and that I understand my posting here is definitely unorthodox and if my presence here makes any nonas uncomfortable I will no longer post. I understand I am female and welcome in female only spaces such as here but I also understand that my presence here could potentially be seen as a slippery slope or trojan horse for TRA apologism which I would hate to be interpreted as but I also understood that I have no control over how I am being interpreted, so I just want to express my gratitude & amenability to fucking off if you all need me to fuck off
>>2050831I’m not going to deny any amount of female socialization because I am aware that as someone who is female categorically any socialization I have ever experienced is female socialization, and my thorough explanation is overlong and a bit bloggy and will be in reply to another anon but TL;DR I was raised nontraditionally and without gender roles but not in a deliberately “gender free” way, it just happened to be without gender roles. I have no intent to bear or raise children so I don’t think it will have any material bearing on my life in that way. I’m not sure about it being CAIS as I have experienced changes due to exogenous testosterone but it has been at an incrementally slower rate than “normal”, which might in part be due to initial low dosage/methodology (gel)—I look more like a female who has been on testosterone for about a year when I have been on it for 3 years. I don’t mind the lower capacity of virilization I have experienced and I think an AIS would explain it if that is the case
>>2050833I do try to be as proactive about my health as possible as I am very aware of the health risks of medically transitioning and want to offset them as much as possible. I understand that that sounds very counterintuitive given medically transitioning is a decision i made. The now existing risk of prostate cancer is definitely something I am worried about but I feel knowing is half the battle and I am better off knowing it is a potential risk than not knowing at all, and I keep thinking about how were I not medically transitioning I would likely have not even found out about it at all, so my irrationality at least is a boon in this instance. I will probably get the karotype testing done, thank you for urging me to care about my health, this entire situation has just been very strange and thrown a wrench into my previous self concept (IE, cognizant that I am a female engaging in unnecessary and irrational medical intervention that will never make me male) because there being any kind of provable biological incentive for that psychological skew or bent feels incomprehensible to me and almost too simple to make sense
>>2050838My upbringing was abnormal, my parents were very emphatic about teaching me to be independent as a child and drilled both traditionally“male” and “female” responsibilities into my head (I don’t think these things are gendered but I was taught general home repair skills, gun safety, how to clean correctly, how to cook, etc etc before I completed elementary school, and taught me basic self-defense skills/emphasized repeatedly to me that it was absolutely okay to hit people if I felt the circumstance justified it) and I was allowed to miss school a lot because I was bullied (by both genders) for being a sperg who could only talk about Pokemon (my parents didn’t enforce gender roles with toys at all, the closest thing was my mom buying me Care Bears but I think it was an excuse for her to collect them and use me as a proxy) and I missed the boat on a lot of socialization in general, let alone the gendered intricacies of it. I found out trans people existed when I was 12 (in 2012) and immediately felt disdain and resentment and disgust for them but also felt like it explained something I felt in a way I did not know how to articulate otherwise and have “identified as trans” since (so for 12 years now) and was “out as trans” at school (against my parents’ will) so for middle and high school whatever socialization I was experiencing was contingent upon how whatever individual I interacted with saw me as an individual. I actively avoided the trans kids at my school and would actively delegitimize their identities when socializing which I realize probably sounds hypocritical but I didn’t and still don’t care if I get “misgendered” (I don’t believe that is a real thing) and the full extent of anything I ever told anyone was just telling teachers at the beginning of the school year “I prefer (gender neutral name) by the way not the name on the roster” and they just assumed I was trans which I expected and was coasting off of this presumption so I wouldn’t have to try and explain that I was trans
My parents were not okay with any of this (understandably) and the ultimatum reached was that if I still felt the way I did at 21 and had the means on my own end to pursue it, they would tolerate it. That is exactly what ended up happening. I understood as a teenager that waiting things out was probably for the best and emotional manipulation would not be worth it and would be transparently disingenuous. A lot of the trans kids I went to high school with suibaited their way into transitioning underage and only one of them is still trans identified
To answer your questions specifically, I don’t really “feel” any particular way, I know a lot of gendies (I understand I am technically a gendie) conflate not feeling “any way” with them not being women and I understand nothing I do will ever make me not a woman and that being a woman isn’t some special feeling and is just biological reality, but to be as concise as I can I feel that taking testosterone and doing other things related to medically transitioning has improved my mental health and wellbeing, and have had no impact on my self concept. I think a lot of the things I do that are tangentially associated with “transness” are more out of convenience because, just as an example, trying to get testosterone as a woman with no modifiers who merely wants it would not be “permissible”, versus trying to get testosterone as a woman who goes by a name besides her birth name and presents in a gender nonconforming manner is seen as shorthand for “trans person soliciting gender affirming care” and it’s significantly easier to coast off of the pre-configured expectations that already exist and to not correct them.
I do think I “fit in” better with males than most females, but I don’t really care to, I hate scrotes I hate moids they are NPCs to me. Because at work/school I am perceived as male I frequently have to curve or grey rock them socially, and I am hesitant to gravitate towards women in casual settings as I do not want to accidentally make them uncomfortable so I don’t really “fit in” particularly well with either group but I don’t think I am “less female” for being able to mesh with men/not being able to mesh with women. I do not think it is because I am intersex, I actually do not know why that is the case.
Also as an aside I just want all the nonas here to know that normie lib women are becoming sick of trans people/trans ideology too, my sister was telling me about how she was having lunch with a coworker and her coworker said abruptly “I have to tell you something and you have to promise not to get mad at me or to tell anyone” and the “something” she had to tell her was that she finds trans people annoying. My sister agreed and they both commiserated not over hating trans people, or hating trans ideology, but just how annoying they found trans people. I think social tides will start to turn sooner than we all expect
No. 2051068
>>2050987nyayrt, i may only be one person but you are welcome here as far as i'm concerned nonna ♥ that said, reading your message and specifically the parts where you mention feeling unable to fit in (amongst other more subtle things), i can't help but wonder if you've ever genuinely looked into female autism? i don't ask this in a derogatory way at all
i am one myself kek, but it might explain part of your life experiences, not to mention that a lot of autistic women unfortunately get sucked into TIF stuff due to having more of a disconnect with their bodies and social expectations (both things falsely equated to "genderfeels" by the masses). what you did with those feelings is far more of a mature and self-aware approach than your typical gendie, yes, but i'm picking up on a lot of root feelings that are common in autistic women.
i also feel like i should mention that testosterone is said to have effects akin to antidepressants for at least the first 5 years, which may be part of the reason for your improvement in mental well-being. anyway, i'm wishing for you to stay safe and healthy nonna.
No. 2051116
>>2050987Kek I was about to bitch about how you don’t have a prostate, until I read further up the thread. Kinda wild to learn about a condition like that later on in life,
I apperciate you posting. I recently peaked but never went so far along as to do any transitioning so it’s been interesting to read your thoughts and experiences.
No. 2051129
>>2050987Seconding looking into female autism because you sound like you are autistic, not trying to be mean here. Do you mind intrusive questions? if so,
>Do you pass as a male? And are you really sure you do>What made you transition, exactly?>Why are you getting your uterus removed? Aren't you scared of how it will affect your anatomy?>Are you planning on living like a man? Have you thought about detransitioning?>Why do you not relate to women? Don't feel obligated to answer if you don't feel like it. Live your best intersex life.
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>>2051154the replies. cackling at the retard using google algorithm answer as a source
i'm so tired of people lying to themselves and acting like it gives them moral high ground
No. 2051183
>>2050755So you have a cervix but also inner testes and a prostate? Do you still have the rest of your female biology intact?
Why don't you just live as a gender non conforming woman? Isn't that just easier than playing into gendie ideology that you yourself hate? You know there's other intersex women out there (and no I don't mean PCOS) that chose to not inject testosterone and never have dysphoria right? Like, if your "male anatomy" wasn't properly developed and it's just hanging around inside you, are you really a male? Or are you using this new thing as an excuse to validate your gender dysphoria? Be real here, because I'm not trying to make you feel lesser, I simply wish you could see that yes, you are a gendie, no matter what genitals you have, simply because you're playing into the cult and injecting testosterone, which I'm assuming your body doesn't even need after you explained you simply look like yet another tif (aka woman with testosterone injections)
No. 2051189
I've always been of this mind, as in trannies are ridiculous and so on and so forth. But recently vacillating a little bit. I will clarify that I am an (actual) woman as it may not be obvious.
I think the only actual problem is how it's rushed out into the mainstream, and it's therefore making people want to be trans out of jealousy (e.g. most FTMs simply wish they were MTFs, or to unconsciously capitalise on the old-school femboy aesthetic), or due to the same factors that make them follow any given trend. They then regret it or grow out of it and weep about how they were allowed to make a decision that they threatened suicide over not being allowed to make it ('I can make whatever decisions I want to make about my body and its fascist to tell me otherwise… but I was just a helpless widdle uwu smol minor and you took advantage of me, you shouldn't have listened to me!'). I don't have sympathy for the weak-willed and if this is how they're getting culled, then so be it.
The other problem with it being mainstream is it making the true normies (the breeders, the housewives, the guy at the hardware store) come into full glaring contact with an alternative society that they've never been drawn to, and wouldn't have ever understood. The guy at the hardware store sees a grown man with a fupa parading around in fishnets, or a topless 18-year-old fat girl with rainbow hair and disgusting keloid scars where her tits used to be, and sees that the stuff on the Glenn Beck show or the Liberty Freedom Whateverthefuck youtube channel that his estranged daughter set up on his smart tv six years ago says is right, and pursues hating it with the same fervour that he hates the Current Thing of the week before (Ukraine or something, I don't remember). On the other hand, you have the nuclear family. When you have a couple that was coerced to marry at 20 by the social laws of small town Hickville and then shat out a bunch of kids, church on Sundays and LIVE LOVE LAUGH on your wall, neither of them were ever allowed to be free. But the woman is more complicit in her own oppression (read Right Wing Women) and always will be, and the man is always more able to abscond and go his own way, as the woman has to accept it for her own survival. So for the man to transition is something I really, deeply understand why they would do it, but it's still undeniably a crime against the entire family.
And that's the same fate that the old school gays had to reckon with.
So what they want is for that second situation to never happen again, and for those crimes to be mitigated. But the only way that can be achieved is by enabling the first situation.
I wonder if we aren't just in the initial tidal wave, where all of the people that would have tried and regretted it are trying and regretting it, and the trend will fall off back to how it should be. It's an alternative subculture, but one that is required to achieve self actualisation for a lot of people in a similar way that living and expressing your own sexuality is. That doesn't mean that the guy at the hardware store has to call you a woman, and he can sneer and call you a faggot all he wants, but you can deal with it because you were brave enough to start living like this in the first place. And maybe now those people won't exist as much as they did before, so the kids growing up today don't have to experience that for themselves.
Some of them are doing it in a way that's just too cringe, and some of them will get their dreams crushed and crash back down to earth or kill themselves. I think they want to also let the cringe live, to either wither away or to bloom, and to stop the thresher that tears the other ones down to nothing.
There's obviously a lot of problems that are being caused by transness in leftist circles (read: most of the Internet and now in real life too), but those same problems could be applied to any problem. X is exclusionary, X is racist, if you don't do X then you're a big poopyhead and you can't sit with us at lunch. I don't really see that transness is that unique as a divisive factor, so I think it's almost just a red herring. I also hate the trend of getting disfiguring, experimental, cosmetic surgeries, and think that that will also resolve itself as more people speak out against the aftermath of them, but it's also unfortunately just part and parcel of it. If you get 'talked into' doing these things without fully doing your research (this is bigly a Woman Thing - the men tend to actually know what they're getting into), and then cry about it, then you actually deserve it. It should be as it used to be, a last resort for the type of guy that stared in the mirror and fantasised about chopping his dick off with a razor blade. Bottom surgery for women shouldn't even exist as it's asking for an addition of a thing, rather than the removal of a thing (although you can save FGM for this perhaps), and it's just a bit pointless as a result. Some of the top surgery for women looks fantastic and others look like actual butcher work, and I'm pretty sure the butcher work is most often just caused by being fat and smelly. I would personally do it in a heartbeat if the technique gets more uniformly better. The rest of it (FFS, breast implants, ab implants, what have you) is just normal, and who cares? I don't have a problem with body modification, and no one else should either. I don't have a problem with people trying to be the version of themselves that they want to be. And that's about what it comes down to.
I think at the end of the day, the waters are just getting too muddied by the trenders, which is mainly the women. Once they give it a break, we should be able to breathe a bit more, and maybe we can see gender as another toy to use to break the confines of the body and express yourself with as in any other alternative fashion. If you don't have to be a 'man' or a 'woman,' that's great. You don't need to feel like you have to get your dick chopped off. You can wear funny clothes and call yourself whatever you want to. The people at your office might have to call you 'they' or something, or pretend that you're a woman to your face. Or you can also perhaps understand that not everyone will get it, and let them call you whatever they think they should call you, but they won't feel like they can comment on the way you look - good. It shouldn't have to be the end of the world. Splitting gender off from sex can be as useful a tool of self-discovery (if that's the type of thing you want to do) as anything else.
Just think I've lately come around to this, and the more I do, the more I find a lot of the people that screech and cry about it to be nothing but silly. Posting this here because just typing it out was useful to find the words.
No. 2051191
>>2051176I think that anon is yet another autistic tif that decided to transition for social reasons (as all tifs do) but then saw that she's intersex and now she thinks that being intersex is the reason that makes her transition
valid. It's yet more gender ideology and the way she is using their ideology as an excuse despite her being GC means she's just hypocritical and things only apply to her in her head when they are convenient because she's "not like other tifs". And that's debatable, because she does get points for being intersex, but that doesn't make it a reason to perpetuate stereotypes and brainrot that trannies themselves imposed on intersex people. How can she still inject testosterone after being peaked is beyond me, the whole deal about being a woman/intersex/male is that you don't need fucking hormones to be yourself, you don't need to mutilate, you don't need to fall into the gendie cult, your natural self is just fine and dandy. It would honor her intersex condition more if she simply stopped acting up on the tranny stuff.
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>>2051209You know what I meant and I was over simplifying things.
No. 2051235
>>2051229>women or teens? which is it? AYRT, i'm mostly talking about teens but i was also reacting to the 'this is bigly a Woman thing' part. Teenage girl, woman, i was making a point about femaleness.
On the off chance intersex anon isn't a TiM trolling women on a lonely sunday, i want to ask them if, in retrospect, being intersex was something they suspected, if 'feeling neither male nor female' was something that came up when deciding to go on T. Did you feel like your socialization was off?
Like you could have benefitted from being considered 'partly male' earlier in life? Parents might raise a kid without stereotypes but boys can exclude girls from play very early in childhood, among other things. I know one CAIS woman and you'd never think she's XY. She's your typical nerdy woman into lolita and alt fashion, very much female socialized, so i'm curious as to why a CAIS woman would take T
No. 2051241
>>2049901my country is still relatively conservative so i don't encounter trannies in daily life. online there's not much of them either but it's mostly agp scrotes, could be because i hang out in nerd communities. niche tech-related spaces are infested with femboys though
i used to know one hsts from my school. he trooned out after i graduated so i found out through social media. i should check up on him
>>2050418girl where
No. 2051244
>>2050417Bi here but it doesn't matter because deep down we know we can become somewhat moidbrained when dealing with no matter other women or TIFs and it gives us satisfaction, it gives us satisfaction if it's ironic when we see our competition calling themselves men like wtf there is no basis in comparison.
Key here, if they want to go all out calling themselves moids just to escape attention or want attention in a different way than usual it gives us chance to fly under the radar, as actually deep down we might be suffering just like these TIFs (Tiffany, you're not special) and wanted an outlet to let our moidbrained thoughts and we find an acceptable target to chase. Sorry Tiffany, we just feel like having a good day mogging a few TIFs because the playing field is already level.
No. 2051248
>>2051220One thing that is important to reflect over: should mentally ill people (adults) be allowed to self-harm through medical malpractice?
For most people the answer is simply no. We shouldn't let anorexics get liposuction. We shouldn't cut the leg of a amputee-fetishist. We shouldn't stab the eyes out of a man because he's manic and thinks aliens have poisoned them.
And if the anwser is no it shouldn't be allowed, then we need to hold doctos accountable for the harm they have afflicted. "Adults can do whatever body modification they want, it's their body" still doesn't mean 99% of doctors don't still refuse to give the anorexic lipo, or to cut of a healthy leg or stab out eyes. And the few that do that get in legal trouble and lose their license.
So in my opinion, we shouldn't let mentally ill people get any kind of "trans healthcare" that harms their bodies simply because they're delusional about their bodies. It's immoral and harmful and should simply be illegal. Even though as a female I have to admit it can feel like a net positive to have some sexually deviant men castrate themselves, I still don't agree with letting mentally ill people harm themselves. As adults they do have responsibility for making poor decisions too, but the doctors are ultimately the ones who abused the laws and morals to harm them. Just like they are if they let an anorexic get liposuction.
No. 2051268
>>2051248Very true.
>as a female I have to admit it can feel like a net positive to have some sexually deviant men castrate themselvesIt's hilarious but i think deviant men, rapists, harmful fetishists will do harm regardless of what's in their pants. Pedophiles on lupron still assault kids, TiMs with rotten holes where their penis used to be still act in blatantly depraved ways. It's like the mystery of why old men with malfunctioning dicks still go out of their way to harrass women, some moids get off in unusual/harmful ways even if their junk is expired or gone.
But yeah, you make a good point. If the medical establishment accepts that castration is okay for some perverts and some adult homos, then it's no surprise that it has extended this logic to the mentally ill and traumatized and gay minors.
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No. 2051379
>>2051244>>2051246What is
this? I don't even understand what you're each talking about or what you're trying to say. My point stands then.
No. 2051405
>>2051268>i think deviant men, rapists, harmful fetishists will do harm regardless of what's in their pants. Yes, men are still more violent, bigger and stronger, sexually aggressive, and even if they chop their dick off they still have hands and objects to abuse and rape others with. Men aren't automatically "safer" just because they've had the dick inversion surgery.
HRT does typically lessen their sex drive, which is a plus, and if they're infertile they won't have kids which is also good. But if men didn't abuse regardless of being sexually turned on they wouldn't abuse fellow straight men, which they also do all the fucking time. So they're still just as violent.
No. 2051474
>>2050846I know which YouTuber you’re talking about (love her btw, wish she’d upload more often) and she is actually the one example where’d I’d be willing to give credence to gendie intersex arguments. I don’t know what exact condition she has but I think it may be CAIS (maybe PAIS but that often comes with atypical appearance in sex characteristics and as far as I know she is completely phenotypically female) which would technically make her male on a cellular level but I can’t see her as anything other than a woman. She appears completely female, was raised as one since birth, you can tell by her interests and how she carries herself that she was clearly socialized as a little girl…I just can’t square calling someone like that a man even if they are technically male.
Curious what other anons think about those cases. Obviously it’s rare and most intersex people are more clearly male or female, even if some traits are ambiguous.
No. 2051561
>>2051474I feel pretty similarly to you, and I don't think that's giving into gendie intersex arguments either. These are actual medically significant conditions completely different from tranny stuff. CAIS in particular is a really interesting. Usually they choose to live as women and I don't see a problem with that, nor how it relates to trannies and provide any "proof" that their ideology is correct.
>>2051539it's nisipisa. Her recent "you're getting older" video is the one where she talks about being intersex
No. 2051866
>>2051068Shockingly I’m not autistic, I’ve been tested 3 separate times—twice when tested for ADHD as a child then as a teenager, and once while undergoing IQ testing as a child. I don’t really feel like I have autism at all, without getting into specifics I feel like I don’t fit in not because of some abstract inexplicable quality about me, and more just cultural differences between where I was raised and where I’m living now & like I can’t really relate to the experiences and backgrounds of other people my age here of either sex. I fit in perfectly where I was raised, I just don’t live there right now. I was somehow really popular in high school kek I think I just sound super spergy in writing because I am overly cautious with my tone and deliberately super precise because I don’t want to be misunderstood and I would rather sound like a pedantic sperg but know my point is coming across how I intend it than the alternative
I don’t intend to be on testosterone forever specifically because I want to avoid the long term health risks and I appreciate the well wishes for my health and safety!! I haven’t had any scares in either regard and hopefully I don’t in the future
>>2051116When I was trying to look up information about the specifics I was told, all I could find was TIFs either asking how they could tell they were intersex (I’m assuming for valor) or asking if they could grow a prostate, so I understand why your initial assumption would be that I was larping. I don’t think I’ve ever really been peaked in a precise sense because I’ve always been distrustful of trans people as a general monolith but I am happy and relieved more women are peaking, I think it’s always disconcerted me and upset me to see women engage in trans apologia not knowing that it isn’t in their best interest. I know with girl friends I’ve had I’ve made a deliberate effort to underhandedly badmouth TIMs in particular to see what kind of a reaction I get from them, usually just iterating “X is really creepy and uncomfortable to be around” or similar things (nothing about their transness so it doesn’t seem targeted for that reason) repeatedly so that they feel comfortable vocalizing similar feelings if they do have them, and they consistently have—but I’m not sure if any of them have realized that they’ve agreed that all of the TIMs we mutually are aware of are creepy/weird/off-putting and I don’t want to connect the dots for any of them out of fear they’ll suddenly get scared that they’re “being transphobic” and actively ignore that discomfort & I just hope they eventually connect the dots themselves. I think I have inadvertently peaked a few women I’ve been friends with just by pointing out stuff like that though & I’ve turned a lot of people away from specific TIMs in high school/college by pointing out their weird behavior and evaded scrutiny by acting wokey about it which I realize is manipulative but I also think the ends justify the means given that the end result is “TIM is not humored and is alienated”
>>2051129I don’t mind invasive questions and also understand I kind of opened myself up to them by just being here
>Do you pass as a male? And are you really sure you doI obviously can’t be sure if I “really do” but I live in a very socially conservative/regressive area with a large immigrant population, so social tolerance of trannies is nonexistent (by that I mean trannies being humored) and I am constantly gendered as male by everyone I encounter to the point where when I have been IDed I have been accused of having a fake because of the legal name and sex. There are a lot of masculine/butch women where I live too and anecdotally based on conversations I’ve had with the ones I know, none of them get confused for male ever so I don’t think it’s out of cultural unawareness of masculinity in women.
>What made you transition, exactly?I don’t know what specifically made me want to transition in the first place or made me think it was a good idea for me, but what prompted me to pursue it was that it was a sustained want that was feasible and that I went out of my way to inform myself of all of the risks of and had an active “escape plan” in case any of those risks did arise, which they haven’t, thankfully. I know I’m lucky to have not experienced any of the negative side effects of testosterone that a lot of TIFs have and I would never endorse or suggest it as something viable for another person simply because it’s not something you can guarantee you will not regret pursuing regardless of how sure you feel, and I also know I’m lucky to have not regretted it at all. I don’t think this makes me more legitimate because I really don’t think there is such a thing as a legitimate trans person & I think the “true trans” types are the most likely to detransition due to their black and white thinking, I think I was just very pragmatic in my approach and understood the risks and limitations and didn’t see it as a life-changing thing the way a lot of TIFs make it out to be. It has improved my life in a lot of ways but I also think a lot of ways in which my life improved have to do with just growing up and getting older in general
>Why are you getting your uterus removed? Aren't you scared of how it will affect your anatomy?I’m getting it removed as preventative healthcare to prevent prospective complications due to testosterone usage & also because uterine cancer has happened a few times in my family, but also because I had horrific cramps prior to starting testosterone and I don’t intend to be on it forever and I’d rather avoid the prospect of incapacitating cramps when I eventually go off of it if possible. Also i want to note that my cramps had no bearing on my decision to medically transition because if I ended up not doing that my plan was to lie to my insurance and say I was nonbinary so they would not only not give me shit for trying to get it done but so it would be entirely covered
I intend to get a partial hysterectomy so it is less invasive & to keep my ovaries. I’m definitely concerned about the possibility of it affecting my anatomy and I have been doing pelvic floor exercises in preparation for when I eventually undergo the procedure to ensure I’m in good physical condition and to minimize the risk of complications
>Are you planning on living like a man? Have you thought about detransitioning?I don’t think “living like a man” means anything specific and that anything a man does constitutes living as a man, same as anything a woman does constitutes living as a woman. I don’t correct people when they perceive me as male but I also don’t correct them when they perceive me as female. None of my actions or behaviors are modulated or dictated based on feeling I need to come across a specific way, I do what I feel like doing and let people draw their own conclusions. As I mentioned before I am generally read as male and I’m not sure why specifically that is, but I “present” very androgynously/plainly simply because that’s what I find most aesthetically pleasant. I’ve never considered detransitioning and I think that’s because I’ve never really felt like I have invested much in any of this or applied any pressure to myself in any way, and I understand it’s entirely noncommittal and if I wanted to stop tomorrow I would be able to without much explanation to anyone around me. I also don’t ever assert myself as a trans person IRL nor do I really consider myself a trans person, I just see myself as a female that is able to be construed/interpreted as an FTM
>Why do you not relate to women?I actually do relate to women and far favor the company of women over the company of men, there are certain things that other women express that I can’t relate to like wanting to adhere to beauty standards but I don’t think I am less female for not being able to relate to that, and it mostly just makes me upset and sad that so many women feel that way and wish women as a whole were able to evade those feelings and expectations. I am able to relate to some men but most moids are so terminally coombrained that they are unsalvageable and are only able to relate to other coombrained men so I don’t even really consider them people
No. 2051868
>>2051866>>2051183I think these are all fair things to say and judgements to make and I can’t say you’re wrong. I definitely do not think I am male & I also understand that I am functionally and technically a gender nonconforming woman. I’m not trying to validate or legitimize my incentive to transition as I understand it’s irrational, but I was merely wondering if there’s any correlation between it as an irrational impulse & my recent medical discovery. I don’t like to frame it as dysphoria because I feel like that is TRA logic & I don’t think there is any good or legitimate reason for me to be taking testosterone and that even calling it dysphoria is legitimizing it—I also understand entertaining it is legitimizing it but my justification is that at least I am not approaching it like a routine/normal problem the same way that the TRA terminology of “gender dysphoria” normalizes it. I understand for all intents and purposes I am a gendie and I am no better than them but I also try to let other women in my life feel enabled and empowered to vocalize disdain for TRAs/trans ideology and I don’t think that’s something a lot of them would feel “okay” doing without “a gendie” spurring it on/encouraging it, which is really unfortunate and makes me mad, but I think I have been able to help peak more women in my life due to my gendie adjacency than I would have been able to otherwise. I also don’t engage with or entertain any TRAs/TIFs/TIMs so I think accusing me of playing into the cult is a little bit unfair, but I also understand that my existence as a woman on testosterone does prop up their logic so I do understand what you are saying. As far as my body not needing testosterone, it definitely doesn’t, but I also was not producing enough estrogen around the time I initially started testosterone so I would have had to take HRT in the form of estrogen had I not started testosterone, which doesn’t legitimize or justify me transitioning in any capacity but is worth noting. My point of comparison of a “female on testosterone for one year” was more meant as a frame of reference in terms of virilization specifically IE i don’t look hard and aged and vascular the way a lot of other TIFs on testosterone do
>>2051191I don’t think it validates my transition at all, especially considering it is information I wouldn’t have found out had I not transitioned. I think the only difference at all between me and most other TIFs is that I am willing to listen to and converse with nonas here. I think it is a fair assumption that I transitioned for social reasons but even if I didn’t transition I would be dressing and acting the exact same way I currently do & planned to change my birth name to a gender neutral one (it gets misspelled a lot and I just prefer gender neutral names in general), so by that logic are JKR or Lionel Shriver going by male names for social reasons? Or was Elizabeth Holmes deepening her voice for social reasons? I’m not trying to ensnare you in a gotcha of any kind I promise nona, I’m genuinely interested in the concept of gender-conforming women/women in general engaging in “masculinizing” behaviors as a calculated maneuver, and I feel like your perspective would be really interesting
As far as your last few points, I genuinely don’t think I need hormones/surgery/etc etc to be myself at all and I would still be the same without them and i am still the same with them. I think trannies coopting intersex marginalization is gross and weird and I feel bad that I even came across like I was trying to do that, but I really am curious about there being a possible biological prompt for gender variant behavior and I don’t think that it would legitimize me at all because the decisions I’ve made were prior to finding it out, I just think a possible explanation would be interesting to learn about. Even if I had ended up deciding not to transition and never learned I was intersex, I would still have those feelings, I just wouldn’t have the opportunity to learn more about them.
But circling back to medical intervention, it’s easy for me to justify it because I haven’t had any negative side effects. I take Adderall which has some negative side effects and possible health complications that I haven’t personally experienced, and I won’t die without it, but taking it makes my life easier in some way. That’s how I’m able to justify continuing testosterone—I’m not under some delusion that I would die without it, I’m not having bad side effects, and it makes my life easier to take it. Likewise with surgery, if I had to get the titchop I wouldn’t have gotten surgery, but I was luckily eligible for a minimally invasive procedure that retained sensation so I don’t feel botched or mutilated at all
also the only reason i got it was because I hated how underboob sweat felt and my insurance covered it entirely kek. I don’t really feel like i’ve defiled my natural self in any way, because nothing I’ve done has felt obligatory on my end and I have taken serious thought into all of the decisions I have made, and I just genuinely enjoy the effects I have experienced from transitioning and they have eliminated anything equivocal to dysphoria that I experienced prior to any intervention. I really don’t know what the explanation for this would be in all honesty, because again I don’t particularly care about being seen one way or another and completely understand that nothing about my presentation, medical intervention, etc makes me anything but female in any way
>>2051235I’m not a scrote I promise kek but to answer your questions:
> i want to ask them if, in retrospect, being intersex was something they suspected, if 'feeling neither male nor female' was something that came up when deciding to go on TNot really, I have always assumed everyone feels “neither male nor female” as gender is heavily socialized and mirrored so I assumed my feeling that way was unspecial and if anything consequence of my upbringing, but it was not a factor in my decision to go on testosterone
> Did you feel like your socialization was off? Like you could have benefitted from being considered 'partly male' earlier in life?In terms of socialization, I think it would have been a net negative to know earlier as it would have socially othered me significantly. I also probably would have been transed underage due to there being a “reason” for me to transition, and I feel like not transitioning until a few years after I became an adult made me learn to be patient & that delayed gratification is okay and forced me to be independent and self sufficient earlier, and all of these traits in myself as an individual are things I am very proud of and I wouldn’t want things to have been any different for me, because even though I was pretty miserable growing up I am a confident and stable and happy and levelheaded adult now
> Parents might raise a kid without stereotypes but boys can exclude girls from play very early in childhood, among other thingsI was excluded by both boys and girls in elementary school, and then popular with both boys and girls in middle and high school, which I still don’t entirely understand why, but I’m not going to deny that it was a fun and cool experience. Any “friend groups” I’ve been in I’ve meshed well with regardless of gender ratio, but I’ve always preferred individual friendships and those historically have been an even ratio between male and female, but in recent history have skewed exclusively female because I hate moids and the only kind i can tolerate even remotely are the completely inoffensive lib-but-not-neoliberal normie gay moids (I find the OTT hyperfem ones almost as bad as straight scrotes) and even then only in limited circumstances
>>2051561I love nisipisa!! When i was told I was intersex my first thought immediately was “Like nisipisa??” kek
I hope I am not coming across like I’m attempting to justify my choices or defend them to you all, I’m just trying to explain myself & my thought processes & I think every response I have received has been completely warranted and sensible. I apologize for my posts all being so long I just want to make sure I am as thorough as possible in my responses
No. 2052498
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Why is it that when someone uses she/her and they/them in their social media profile or whatever, gendies always chose to refer to the person in question with the wokest pronoun instead of the normal one?
No. 2052512
>>2051379I'm sorry, a whole wave of jealousy and envy crashed me when comparing myself to TIFs.
>>2051868It is undeniable transitioning actually virilizes to some extent, like, irreversibly fuck up your libido and thought patterns.
For JKR writing with a male pen name, this is a social barrier she has to cross, not the intent of identifying as TIF or so. This is a social barrier that the women might had seen a need to cross because it was not conditionally available to them. Being a TIF is more mental illness than women trying to engage in masculinity to cross a barrier.
No. 2052513
>>2051866>I obviously can’t be sure if I “really do” but I live in a very socially conservative/regressive area with a large immigrant population, so social tolerance of trannies is nonexistent (by that I mean trannies being humored) and I am constantly gendered as male by everyone I encounter to the point where when I have been IDed I have been accused of having a fake because of the legal name and sex. There are a lot of masculine/butch women where I live too and anecdotally based on conversations I’ve had with the ones I know, none of them get confused for male ever so I don’t think it’s out of cultural unawareness of masculinity in women. This is a legit question. If you pass as male, and have male genitalia… what are you doing here? Don't you consider yourself a male? You're basically living as one at this point
>>2051868>I was merely wondering if there’s any correlation between it as an irrational impulse & my recent medical discovery.>As far as my body not needing testosterone, it definitely doesn’t, but I also was not producing enough estrogen around the time I initially started testosterone so I would have had to take HRT in the form of estrogen had I not started testosterone, which doesn’t legitimize or justify me transitioning in any capacity but is worth noting. My point of comparison of a “female on testosterone for one year” was more meant as a frame of reference in terms of virilization specifically IE i don’t look hard and aged and vascular the way a lot of other TIFs on testosterone do So you think taking testosterone was irrational and you still did it? Why did you take it instead of estrogen? What promted you to want to live like a man/transed woman?
No. 2052514
>>2051866first ayrt. i don't know if the same rules apply to where you live, but i believe that autism and adhd couldn't be diagnosed concurrently until 2013 (DSM-V release), so if your testing was done under the DSM-IV and returned positive for adhd it's possible they might've swept it under the rug. still, i understand not wanting to go through that hassle a fourth time kek, and i certainly don't want to be pushy about it when you've already got a lot on your plate. that said, i am glad to hear about your plan to go off hrt eventually due to the long-term risks, though i am somewhat puzzled by your decision to go on it if it would've truly made so little difference to you (and also given that you ultimately can't predict some "hidden" health risks like increased heart attack rates, especially given the poor research in the area). i also do have to disagree the comparison between hrt and adderall, as the former is purely cosmetic and i could easily see a gendie bringing that up to justify increased accessibility to hrt. again though, your open-mindedness is appreciated, as is your work in helping more women peak.
>>2052498because the she/theys will draw sadcomics if the woke pronoun isn't used "often enough".
No. 2052526
>>2051868>I don’t really feel like i’ve defiled my natural self in any way, because nothing I’ve done has felt obligatory on my end and I have taken serious thought into all of the decisions I have made, and I just genuinely enjoy the effects I have experienced from transitioning and they have eliminated anything equivocal to dysphoria that I experienced prior to any intervention. I really don’t know what the explanation for this would be in all honesty, because again I don’t particularly care about being seen one way or another and completely understand that nothing about my presentation, medical intervention, etc makes me anything but female in any waydelusional gendies be like.
>I hope I am not coming across like I’m attempting to justify my choices or defend them to you all,you really are. Even if you say you're neutral about transitioning and you "don't take it as seriously" you're still transitioning.
No. 2052528
>>2051866how far into testosterone hrt do you want to be though?
>I was somehow really popular in high school kekdo explain, were you already transitioning by then?
No. 2052529
>>2051868>but I was merely wondering if there’s any correlation between it as an irrational impulse & my recent medical discovery.GNC women and men, of any variety, are more likely to troon out. It's got little to do with the intersex part but stems from your perceived "not fitting in" self-image and an opposite-sex idealization. It can be as little as a feminine woman being gay and that's enough for her to feel like she wants to troon out and be a man.
Trooning out is the current "acceptable suffering". If you had been a decade or two older you very likely would instead manifest it through an eating disorder. A few years less and you'd have been a cutter. Nobody knows why they have the urge to starve themselves, why they hate their tiny bit of fat.
No. 2052535
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Nonnies… I feel like I have reached a new level of understanding and I need to scream. I think all of us should read this book, and it’s even scanned fully on the internet Archive. You Told me you were Different.
https://archive.org/details/9-781954-625013/mode/1upI don’t know what it was about this book, which by itself is simply a compilation of stories of women abused by trannies… I think it’s something about seeing all of the stories juxtaposed with each other, one after the next, that doesn’t the minutia of each slip by your mind, but even if I had been reaching the conclusion that male trannies are all the same, this book caused a grand final click of understanding. 192 pages, and many of them talk about more than one tranny… a harrowing one has a woman talking about the nine trannies she met irl in the San Francisco Area. Eight of them were pieces of shit to her. About half sexually assaulted her.
So many of these authors are lesbians. So many were TiFs at the time. It was harrowing because I too am an ex-TiF, I met so many trannies of course… and everyone in this book, everyone I knew, they are all carbon copies of each other. They were worse than even run of the mill scrotes. I have actually managed to have fulfilling friendships with more than one scrote but never managed the same thing with a tranny because they were all degenerates. And when a scrote came out to me as a tranny the friendship fell apart because his behaviour changed completely and always for the worse. Reading these stories, they’re all identical, among themselves and to the trannies I knew. I feel like I have been freed from the final remnants of empathy. They all lie the same. They all use TiFs. They all creep on the lesbians and the TiFs and the lesbian TiFs. So many of them are furries. So many of them are pedophiles. So many of them have retarded tranny names. There’s an unironic Alice in here. So many do bdsm. The word “poly” comes up all the time. They suicide bait and threaten the author with 41%ing… authors upon authors feeling alone and delusional, thinking surely it’s just one bad apple… 192 pages of bad apples all after the other… I have peaked to the level of the Everest, I have realised it’s okay for me to feel like 90% of trannies (all the agps) are degenerate rapists, because they ARE. They ARE. I am free. Total tranny death
No. 2052539
>>2052529Reminds me of something i witnessed among one of my friends
>girl develops an interest in porn and that now makes her becomes a MANLY MAN because man watches porn and what she does is what men do etc. reasoning? women are not pornsickOf course slippery slope, her personality changed over-2-nights into someone unrecognizable and a caricature of masculinity.
No. 2052556
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>>2052535I'm reading it now and I downloaded it too. Thank you nonna.
No. 2052602
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>>2052587Nta, but this is a timely comment since I was just reading some libfem scientist who claims that therapy alone does zero to help gender disphoria. Which is wild since she goes on to say that puberty blockers have some use cases.
Full article is just her response to how anti trans the Cass report is. Would be interested in what nonnies thought.
https://skepchick.org/2024/06/the-cass-report-anti-science-and-anti-trans/ No. 2052645
>>2052526She totally is, the callous way of treating the body is completely the same as your usual TIF. She keeps repeating how NLOG she was by "being informed of the risks" which is what 99% TIFs claim and worth jackshit if one goes ahead and does stuff that would harm their body anyway.
>I don’t know what specifically made me want to transition in the first place or made me think it was a good idea for me, but what prompted me to pursue it was that it was a sustained want that was feasible>I feel that taking testosterone and doing other things related to medically transitioning has improved my mental health and wellbeing, and have had no impact on my self concept >Likewise with surgery, if I had to get the titchop I wouldn’t have gotten surgery, but I was luckily eligible for a minimally invasive procedure that retained sensation so I don’t feel botched or mutilated at all also the only reason i got it was because I hated how underboob sweat felt and my insurance covered it entirelyThe last point, God. Though I'm not surprised, lolcow has plenty of gc-masquerading self hating TIF adjacents that casually mention wanting titchops as if bodies are Legos and cutting off body parts is fine as long as you don't think you're a man for it. Clown behavior.
No. 2052675
>>2051268Troons have destroyed so much but in a sense it's paving the way for a better future, because it's shown women time and time again that a moid in a dress will always, always be a predator. He cuts his cock off and can't coom so now he beats women to feel better. He doesn't cut his cock off, he rapes women as well as beating them. He takes no steps to pretend he's a woman but still gets into women's spaces. He has a whole army of simps that lick the shit out of his ass on the daily and nothing anyone says will change that.
Troons have shit all over feminism, but it's gotten to a point where literally nothing else will make people understand that our rights as humans are being eroded. Call me retarded, but when even the wokiest uwu gender babbies on Tumblr are complaining about feminism vanishing despite everything becoming so shit for women, it's a sign that the next generation of handmaidens is waking up and getting sick of this shit.
Troon women who still experience misogyny despite having a pube beard and blue hair for 10 years are getting fed up with the LARP, troon-adjascent women who support anyone for attention are quietly dropping Dylan and other troons from their cheer rosters, there's some semblance of a pushback in the form of the Cass report, and gendies are being mocked by normies more openly than before.
There's also been an uptick of horror stories being shared about moids and moidlets who become vile after going online for like an hour at a friend's house, which isn't really troon-related but does show a great shift in the handmaiden, boys-will-be-boys mentality, and with how prominent the incel to troon pipeline is, more and more normies will notice that Hitler Jr wants to cut off his peepee and go spinny in skirts.
I can't see things getting better for us very soon but I can definitely see the West following South Korean women's footsteps with women becoming volcels and governments being pressured into getting rid of the worst shit online, or restricting access to porn, or raising the minimum age for social media.
No. 2052697
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>>2052675>even the wokiest uwu gender babbies on Tumblr are complaining about feminism vanishingkek its crazy to see but its true. i saw picrel a few days ago with like 4k notes, the funniest part is that im pretty sure the op of this post is a TiM with no self awareness.
No. 2052760
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i recently learned that a friend i haven't spoken to in a very long time has transitioned. i fell out of touch with her years ago when i stopped using social media and didn't make an effort to keep in contact with her because she was becoming so different from the person i once knew, but in hindsight i can't help feeling some regret even if realistically i know there was nothing i could have said or done that would have stopped her from doing this to herself. she was a huge libfem who parroted all their usual talking points yet repeatedly made life-ruining decisions regarding some truly disgusting moids that were upsetting for me to witness. i tried my best to support her through everything but it was painful for me to see my intelligent, bright, and kind-hearted friend abandon all logic and repeatedly derail her life for the kind of moids that most women wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. eventually i had to accept that i was powerless to do anything about it and started gradually distancing myself before ending contact entirely. i thought of her the other day and looked her up only to discover that she now identifies as male, has changed her name and appearance, and has some extremely retarded views including the belief that biological sex is not real. in addition to her problems with men she had an extremely dysfunctional upbringing and struggled with identity issues so she was exactly the kind of person this movement targets. now when i think of her i feel so overwhelmingly sad and ashamed of myself for not having been a better friend. i know her choices are not my responsibility or my fault but i certainly didn't help matters by giving up on her.
No. 2052825
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(Didn't know for sure if I should share here or on 2X so yeah)(first post deleted because I used a wrong word) - picrel unrelated
Ah nonnas I feel relieved. So TLDR I was once (in 2020) a TRA and I identified as nonbinary/agender but I did not support TiMs, I always knew what's up with them and what's their intention. Right so after I peaked and I became critical of this gender movement I started dropping hints at my best friend, usually showing her creepy MtFs. We've never had a more serious convo on this trans topic up until recently, yesterday. IN THE FUCKING TRAIN KEK. Although, we've only talked about TiFs/FtMs and we both agreed on everything. I told her in more detail about why I took the nonbinary/agender label and how most of the time there's a pattern in women that do this (more vulnerable tomboys etc). We also both agreed on how femboys/traps are showcasing sexist stereotypes of "Femininity" and how they get off on them and how most of them aren't homosexuals because they get off at the thought of "femininity" portraying women as an idea/object because of porn addiction. We also talked about how male sexuality is mouldable depending on the man (hence the trannies who have the most depraved fetishes like ABDL/lolicon/etc). We briefly talked about MtFs/TiMs who do this (except the femboys/traps who are (most of them) AGP almost-trannies) because we arrived at the station and had to go to our homes.
I'll call her today when she gets home and we might talk more about this.
No. 2052834
>>2052760hindsight is 20/20.
>>2052797in all likelihood she will detransition. a lot of women come around to the realization that it's all a larp
No. 2052912
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>>2052881That’s just horny retardation from them
nonnie. They not only do not have the organs to menstruate but their hormones are a constant dosage of estrogen rather than the fluctuation a woman has. They never get the lower estrogen and spiking progesterone of the luteal phase which is what causes premenstrual discomfort.
Autogynephilia comes in more than one flavor. This specific retardation is physiologic autogynephilia. I also think they get off on transplaining to women how our bodies work.
No. 2053277
>>2053269He's coming out as as ''''transbian'''' in 3…2…1… Run
nonnie run! Is he severely addicted to pornography?
No. 2053310
>>2053269The fight against racism implies that you defend men in addition to women. Progressive men have a strong sense of solidarity and a weird tribalistic alliance with non-white men that's very apparent in activist spheres, so they take it pretty seriously (at least in discourse). Lesbians are just women, there's no incentive for solidarity, so normie vaguely progressive men don't see the problem when it comes to saying things like 'i'm a male lesbian'. The category 'black woman' also suffers from this disregard in comparison to the broader 'people of color'. This is why gendies love implying black women are a kind of male and so we should all be honored to welcome greasy white TiMs.
Also i'm pretty sure your friend is at least a little AGP. It's hard to say because 'he looks like a lesbian' is a common online joke and people like to play with LGBT stuff to churn out unfunny content, but this sounds suspicious. It's not that he thinks flannels and piercings and fitted suits are simply better (men wear those too), he probably loves that it's worn by women and so if he
understands and appreciates it, then he is a kind of woman himself even if he doesn't troon out. 'Obsessed with gender/feminism'
and ironically 'relating' to lesbians is 100% an AGP red flag
No. 2053366
>>2052929Yes. Even the trannies are getting sick of it. Have you looked at Buck Angel's instagram, for instance? It's almost all split screens calling out AGPs/crossdressers kek. (Although in her case I think it's an attempt to paint the more deranged personalities as bad actors or something? I'm not an expert on her.)
That redscare/chapo-adjacent pod Seeking Derangements has Hesse as a host and he and their other tranny guests are often saying stuff about troons that would get you cancelled if you weren't trans yourself, as harsh as any shock jock shit. Even the mainstream ones or the famous drag ones (Bald & The Beautiful, Sibling Rivalry, No Gorge, nymphowars) will do some side-eying at the more outlandish shit, although they are still very supportive so it's very mild criticism or they'll joke around it or satirize it.
There's also the zoomer dragrace era personalities like @oliveugly that have long youtube essays about how the current approach of the trans community is bad (vidrel)
No. 2053549
>>2053277He loves thicc waifus and implies that he's into some degen shit but never talks details. I think he suspects I'm terfy so he was probably testing the water. It sucks because otherwise he's got really cool non-degen interests and is overall a chill person to be around. It's just when tranny shit comes up that he gets hyper defensive, so I knew it was only a matter of time. He seemed self aware enough to not go all the way but I don't know anymore.
>>2053310It's a bitter pill to swallow but it makes sense. He always seemed aggressively pro feminist and anti-male, which I guess in hindsight is a red flag. Looking back I think he just really has a thing for grungy alt girls who don't shave and hates guys who are more masculine than himself kek.
>>2053382He has a girlfriend so I'm more worried about her honestly.
>>2053490Unfortunately no. We have a mutual friend group so it would be difficult to cut him off, too.
No. 2053550
>>2053549Just out of curiosity what are the non-degen interests? The type of person who is usually into degen shit enough to publicly talk about it with friends usually has 'degen interests' in my experience.
NTAYRT but yes moids being 'aggressively pro feminist' and/or 'aggressively anti-male' is always a giant red flag.
No. 2053656
>>2053559I mean a lot of these interests I would class as typically degen interests (video games, tech depending on the tech, artsy shit depending on the art, and dolls/fashion) when moids do it. But I understand that you feel you get something out of the relationship and discussing your interests, so can you get him not to talk about gendie shit with you ever? If not he's just using you as a handmaiden for his degeneracy even if he has a gf that's probably worse affected than you.
>>2053574I have befriended quite a few moids who genuinely never ever in 10+ years of knowing them have ever breathed a word of degeneracy to me but they have genuinely non-degen interests and are extremely offline.
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>>2052675>governments being pressured into getting rid of the worst shit online, or restricting access to porn, or raising the minimum age for social media.This won't do shit and will only lead to more censorship. You know what would actually cause a change for the better? Increasing prison sentences for all the vile behaviour, like grooming, sexual assaults, pedo stuff, domestic violence. No treating teen criminals with kiddie gloves (that 14yo who gropes classmates and shows his pals AI porn of the girl who dared to say no ain't going to reform EVER - he is a lost cause). Having your criminal record publicly available. Never erasing sex crimes and pedoshit from your criminal record - either rope or accept that only the garbage disposal facility would be willing to hire you. Criminal clearance checks mandated by law for most jobs. The dysgenic sex pest should live in fear. Of course what I'm proposing is so anti-moid (who, despite being 50% of the population, commit 99% of crimes) that it will never ever become a thing in any country, any timeline.
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I hate men
No. 2053939
>>2053889Troons around 2015: innocent transwomen would never enter female spaces if they still have a dick, if they do they had surgery so you can never tell they were born male anyway
Troons 2024: pathetic women being afraid of rape or sexual harassment from the superior dicked transwomen, let's laugh at their fear and assert sexual dominance in their female only spaces
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Oh, somebody's mad that more women are speaking out against the holy church! Blaming the cult for promising that the path to salvation lay in cutting your tits off and irreversibly fucking up your health with hormones is bad and wrong. It's exactly like an abortion, somehow. OP is a themlet who is too speshul for they/them pronouns, so you can imagine how fried her brain is and how mad she is that other women are trying to salvage their lives after leaving the gendie cult.
>>2053826The vast majority of moidlets who become shitty misogynists out of the blue have been exposed to porn and incel takes online. Curbing access to those things absolutely would help, especially if it includes AI and doxing tools. I completely agree that the only way we're ever going to get rid of this shit is to publicly smear the moids who commit these crimes, including moidlets, and have interviews with their parents and teachers about why their kid turned out like this. But that's not happening. Until girls get blackpilled enough to kill the moids in their class while they're young enough to get a slap on the wrist for it, it's only going to get worse. Thankfully the moid suicide statistics are increasing and it is mostly this type of moid who ropes, but for every one who dies there are a hundred who don't. We really do need to bring back hanging and get rid of the protections for minors who commit violent or sexual crimes.
No. 2053945
>>2053941The funny thing is the poster of your picrel WILL peak too one day. Maybe even in just a year from now she could be a full on
terf, looking to sue her former "health care" providers.
No. 2054300
>>2053941Weird irony of someone who made the choice to chemically castrate themselves drawing parallels to women who are also making reproductive choices cause they retained their biological ability to do so.
Sounds real bitter.
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>>2054284Not quite perfect but does the job, better than schizo 4chin scrotal horoscopes with unnecessary categories (sensitive fem transbian into computers vs. fake trans crossdressers)
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Some hopefuel. This is exactly what happened to me, I literally just woke up one day and started thinking about what it would be like to be 30 years old and non binary
No. 2055098
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Someone tell her that there is no way "transphobes" are the ones thinking an androgynous woman is an "egg".
No. 2055163
>>2055115AYRT and sorry, I guess I didn't word that how I should have.
I meant that it's common for people who've recently peaked to fall into the right's hands because they're very vocally against troons. Many baby GCs will start reposting things from right wing loonies just because they're talking about some man in a dress walking into a woman's restroom. The language they use is often so emotionally charged and often does carry bias. They hate troons because they see them as the ideological enemy, not for any grounded (albeit feminist) reason.
I'd just hate to see another newly peaked woman lose herself to that crowd, as is the case with many. Women will never be safe in the hands of the right, and they'll come after us next.
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Literally every time I see this entity on my TL they’re whining about how women are misandrist or transphobic. Pretty sure it’s a theyfab funnily enough
No. 2055514
>>2055475Yeah I think it's damaging especially when it comes to issues like TIMs in change rooms/sports because instead of all the sane people on all sides of the aisle agreeing with the obviously correct opinion on TIM predators it becomes a game of what you're supposed to pretend to believe to fit in with your 'side.' It gets especially funny when you're in a non-US country where for example 'conservatives' don't want to threaten abortion rights or even bring them up but Americans will tell you that you're going to 'lose your reproductive rights' if you agree with conservatives in your country who don't want TIMs entering women's sports. I don't even have to vote for the same party as them to agree with them on this issue and speak up about it.
It also creates this weird idk 'responsibility' I guess for people to spend way too much time on social media 'vetting' the people whose singular opinions or posts they agree with, and I simply don't have the time nor energy to find out about every detail of someone's politics before deciding whether I agree with them on a certain point or not. This is exactly the kind of ingroup/outgroup or cultish mentality that causes people to think they need to either be a perfect libfem or a tradcon in the first place.
No. 2055730
>>2054332The "higher/lower IQ" isn't true. I know it's kind of assuming "autism = high IQ" but most HSTS detrans men I've seen were on the spectrum and their autism is what led them to think transition would literally cure their dysphoria and literally turn them into women. And overall autism only makes up a very small portion of total troons (highest number I've seen was only about 10%). It's dangerous and stupid to think autism is what makes AGPs they way they are - when in reality they're usually just normal average men.
No one who is truly brilliant troons out, I've still never seen anyone who is actually truly of high IQ troon. Just because they work in tech and are nerdy doesn't mean they're actually that intelligent, they're pseudo-intellectuals at best which is easy to see just by listening to them talk or seeing what they write. As the saying goes "listen to trans people" and you'll see that the high IQ thing is a myth.
I don't know what to call it, but there is a "loser factor" that seems nearly vital to men trooning out (regardless of IQ), I'm sure most people know what I'm talking about even though I can't pinpoint exactly what it is.
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>>2055076Dumb teenage trends do work that way typically
No. 2055761
>>2053941There are little moidlets at my daughter’s school who are sexually assaulting girls. The administration keeps telling the
victims’ parents that it’s just normal exploration and even the parents are handwringing about how it’s really the moidlets who are the
victims here because kids never ever act like this unless they’re being molested themselves, so we need to be sensitive. No, these boys are watching porn. I wouldn’t exclude the possibility of abuse but it’s not a guarantee like everyone seems to think. Any boy with access to a smartphone with WiFi can turn into a sex pest without ever being a
victim himself. I can’t wait for people to wake up on this and stop protecting these boys at the expense of the girls they’re terrorising.
>>2055514This is what drove me off social media initially. Like you, I don’t have time to vet everyone whose posts I like or keep up with all the allegiances you’re supposed to signal through emojis in your bio or educate myself on American politics to the extent that I recognise every meme and dogwhistle so I can avoid following anyone whose family members vote wrong or whatever. I have shit to do, people.
No. 2055777
>>2055731can people see if you have other accounts linked on twitter? like if i created a
terf side account to like and repost
terf posts, will people be able to in any way connect it to my main account?
No. 2055778
>>2055119>>2055719That person wrote
>I have plump checks>and titsthe "and" is because it's the last item in a list not because of the plump.
No. 2055780
>>2055514>>2055475>>2055372I think it is a slippery slope to promote (like, share) someone on social media because they have one based take, that stems out of hatred for everyone that is not like them. Which includes us women, they don't see us as equal either. They would've no problem to take away our rights (as they already do). Don't give a podium to such people, because they don't care about your thoughts, they will walk right over you.
You have your own opinions and voice, share them instead.
No. 2055783
>>2055761So, they let them be little sex pests without consequences or what? I would lose my fucking mind.
Even if there has some type of shit happened to the moidlets, they should learn to cope in a healthy manner or they will become (or stay) massive pos as adults. And how about investigating if they have been actually molested instead of just assuming it?
No. 2055861
>>2042337Old but I was a sorta infamous figure in the community for a very very scrotey vn and while I was
terf aligned I think it’s what truly blackpilled me. Mtfs got put on a pedestal and the only other women who liked it were libfem pickmes. I got rape threats hurled at me daily and other weird comments and thought it was okay and normal. One of the creators of said game was “exposed” as a
terf and people were bothered by that instead of the copious amounts of rape porn and misogyny in the game. Nowadays I hate it and all of its awful fans and refuse to associate with not only that game but any work that glorifies women being raped. I feel like this is kinda identifying but it’s whatever
No. 2055891
>>2053366Even narcissistic gay tranny moids are getting sick of walking on eggshells around their fellow trannies, and that's hilarious. It's even funnier that he's 19, even zoomies are fed up with this. The expansive language and invalidating sections sound like they've been written with the sole purpose of making TIFs everywhere threaten suicide and spend hours crying on Twitter. It's really a sign of the times that someone like the man in your vidrel is reeing about the uwu inclusive language and saying that trannies are acutely aware of biological sex and calling himself gay instead of a straight woman. He's an insufferable retard but he really has a better grasp on reality than 99% of troons.
Ironically this sort of content helps to peak the deeply entrenched more than anything else. A man in a dress telling them to calm down about someone not identifying as pansexual, while admitting he was also deeply
triggered by all this bullshit, is so against their cult belief system that they'll probably re-evaluate their lives out of shock.
No. 2055910
>>2055829That's not what I said. Just that you can read it either way. I would hazard a guess, if it was a moid, the tits would've been the first thing that was mentioned, tho.
Does that person have a post history?
No. 2056115
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Rare sanity from reddit
No. 2056140
>>2055861Damn, that's awful. I never got to the point of having rape threats thrown at me but I do see a lot of retarded coomer shit and misogynistic comments all the time in those communities. People do treat being a "
terf" like it's this horrible sin above rape and murder and it's retarded
>>2056132Blaire White as well, he's been at it since like 2016
No. 2056307
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This person I sortakinda knew named CatBountry trooned out. I used to see her on TF2chan. I thought she was… sane.
No. 2056506
>>2056249I repost no ones takes (I don't use Twatter, FB; only Insta and Reddit and I try to keep Reddit wholesome sub-vise). I also didn't mean that someone is trad or on the way to it if they agree with a right winger about one or two topics. All I said, I would never support them because the outcome could be fucked up. I am from Germany, and have no interest in history repeating itself. And atm, there are a lot of fucked up people in offices around the world that all have right leaning or far right views, because everyone is angry and trying to make a statement with their votes but it always backfires.
A clock correct twice a day isn't reliable in the other 22 instances.
I also have the impression, that the trans-movement will demolish itself, I mean how long is being open and loudly trans being a trend? It's not that long ago, and people, even their own, are already fed up. There have always been the one or the other HSTS but the level of AGBs that came and are still coming out of their basements and behaving atrocious and mega entitled, they really don't do themselves a favour.
Sorry, I have a rage rant incoming…skip it if you are not interested.
it's as soon as we started to hold men accountable for their shit and we are being the
victims of them, they had to double down in not only becoming (a bizarre version of) women, no, in even being so much more oppressed than any other marginalized group on the planet. Despite the fact that their voice is so loud, you hear it on Uranus, and dare to hold them accountable now.
As soon as men in women's clothes started to complain about feeling unsafe, they got everything they needed and wanted. If we say, we feel unsafe, we get told to change our behaviour, I also feel that no one takes TiFs seriously, especially not the men.
You know the irony is, that men never took us seriously when we told them we are marginalized, they always think we have it so much more easy than them. Then they decided to troon out and got a bit of a taste of it themselves. They couldn't take it and started to cry out loud how cruel the world is to THEM (hence transmisogyny instead of simple misogyny used by them, hardly any support for women's causes from them if at all). There is still no empathy for us. Fucking pride month is so hijacked by trans people as is the whole LGBTIA, they should it rename in TTTT+.
No. 2056658
>>2056506I understand where you're coming from but I was responding to the earlier conversation about the so-called rad to trad pipeline which I don't think really exists to any great degree. I get that some radfems or detransitioners repost and interact with 'right wingers' online (which is also a highly heterogenous group) and that some people might view this as a bad idea on the left but my point is that agreeing with 'trad' or conservative people on a couple points really doesn't mean you have gone down a 'trad' path yourself. When it comes to how people should interact with social media I just don't care that much because I don't really use social media, especially for anything political, and I think it's almost always harmful to craft an identity on SM regardless, especially a political one. I think where we seem to disagree is that you appear to be implying that left wing politicians or political views are better for women; I don't agree. Both left and right politics are anti-woman at the moment, just in slightly different ways. I always would prefer to take specific opinions on their merit than try to align myself with a 'side' of the same patriarchal coin one way or the other.
I agree with the rest of your rant and that is exactly why I think it's pointless to play partisan politics as a feminist women. Men use and co-opt anything women contribute to either side of 'partisan politics' to advance their own aims and other men (who are most of the people in power) support them. I think women need solidarity on women's issues rather than expressing solidarity with moids.
No. 2057138
>>2055783The school is “handling it privately”. Only the parents of the moidlets and their
victims are supposed to know about it, but one of the
victims is my daughter’s best friend so her mother told us about it. The school is urging the parents not to spread it around because rumours and social isolation would hurt the moidlets’ feelings which is apparently worse than keeping them in the same class as the girls they’ve been terrorising. Boys’ feelings matter, girls are just background noise.
I’m trying to think of a more diplomatic way to explain to the school that I don’t care about the boy’s future, that multiple girls matter more to me than one boy. Like I genuinely don’t care if a little sex pest spends the rest of his life in “the system” if that means countless girls will be safe from him. It’s insane to me that this is a controversial opinion at all.
No. 2057357
>>2056671most of the
victims of the troons documented on kf are women and considering that many TIFs are self-hating misogynists i guess they feel more sympathy for moids in dresses than they do victimized women even if they've experienced similar abuse themselves.
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>>2057138>The school is urging the parents not to spread it around because rumours and social isolation would hurt the moidlets’ feelingsYou know what you must do, anon
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Is there an area of GC/TERFism you just don't care for? For me it's talk of 'replacing' women, anti-transhumanism etc. I can see why they'd agitate that possibility with surrogacy and all the strange beliefs around reproduction/body modification in trans ideology, but it's like speculating about time travel. We cannot surpass the need for women to reproduce humanity, sexed reproduction is central in the continuation of life. TRAs are delusional when they bring up womb transplants and i don't see why some in the opposing camp entertain that delusion by treating it as a serious threat. The truth is much more sad and boring: women are still exploited (in increasingly impersonal and cruel ways like surrogacy) and we are still treated according to our reproductive abilites. The only thing that changed is that we're not allowed to speak about this reality. I have a theory that women who like to speculate about the replacement of women are extremely insecure, relishing their reproductive ability as a last attempt to remind moids and TRAs that they have a special something, maybe hoping to not be disregarded thanks to this. The thing is, powerful men and governments/orgs don't care. They are always ready to coerce women into motherhood with 'pro-fertility' policies, anti-divorce measures, pro-natalism ideology etc. They never lose sight of who really can bear children even if they entertain fetishist pipe dreams about 'sex change'.
No. 2057735
>>2057138How old are the children in this story? (It's still disgusting regardless but it changes the plan of action slightly)
I'm seconding the anon suggesting you ask for a written statement that the school doesn't consider this to be sexual harassment, plus a report of the incident(s). If it's multiple moidlets then they surely egg on each other to do this. Demand transparency from the school because as the mother of a daughter (and thus a possible
victim) you deserve to know what happened and what steps will be taken to correct the boys' behaviour. If you want to be diplomatic try to confront the principal/head teacher, and if the answer is unsatisfactory bring the report to a lawyer for legal advice. The parents need to get together and write an open letter about the incident and send it to the school and any news and social media/groups/forums you can to spread the buzz. Realistically speaking, if the parents of the
victims don't agree with consulting a lawyer, the only thing you can do is leak the school's statement online.
>The school is “handling it privately”.I'm sure you know but that's corporate speech for sweeping it under the rug. Sex pests need to be weeded out as early as possible. If these are toddlers we are talking about, they must be taught better, the parents need to be held accountable, and they have to be moved from that classroom immediately. If they're a pre-teens/teens then they know exactly what they're doing and deserve to be put on the register.
Good luck
nonnie, my heart goes out to those girls stuck in the crossfire.
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Perfectly encapsulates what trannies do to women.
No. 2058183
>>2055761Anon you
have to raise hell about this. If girls are being molested and the school isn't involving law enforcement, that's obstruction of justice.
No. 2059378
>>2059309I can imagine that the TIFs might slightly be more tolerable (at first) compared to the TIMs but even if the TIFs would get exhausting to deal with as well. Glad to hear your friends detransed and went
TERF though, that's the best case scenario when you try to maintain a friendship with a TIF.
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saw an ftm girl make a “women [coffee emoji]” comment on a meme about periods. how self hating do you have to be? i wouldve called her a fag if i didnt think it would affirm her gender identity
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I'm well into adulthood but my parents and I have an awkward relationship. Finally told them about how I feel about gender ideology and they completely agreed, they even brought about how fucked up it is that women are losing female only spaces themselves, and how they feel it's very suspicious that any well established health organization would go along with the very concept of gender unless there was profit to gain. Sorry for blog post but it means so much to have my own parents be two of very few people in my life to have a sane view of this. Wishing sanity for the rest of the world.
No. 2060491
>>2060054something that woke me up to how cultish all of this is was seeing how "terfs" did not give a single fuck about what source they shared from, so long as what they shared was funny. I've seen so many tranny icons on radfem blogs because it's a funny reblog or a cat photo. meanwhile, they "warn" each other on the most innocuous, off topic posts. The commitment to not listen to any angle that does not comply with their every demand is absolute, which is only needed when your beliefs are as strong as wet tissue, and whenever you notice that, you can't un-see it
"terfs" are sharing your post independent of whatever the fuck you are, idiot
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this is straight up cult shit.
No. 2060735
>>2050544I'm glad I'm not the only one who has picked up on this. Every single tif I've met has had an eating disorder of some sort and a dream of becoming a skinny yaoi boy. Sometimes it feels like the testosterone use and especially the mastectomies is mainly for weight loss.
Blog example, I remember talking to a tif at a local con recently, and she - while wearing full girly EGL getup, makeup, gushing about hot boys in anime and showing off her hot boy OCs - mentioned offhand how she's in the transition clinic system and 'of course gonna yeet the teets'. I hope someone tells her that even if she gets zippertits, she's just not going to go from a stocky, chunky 5'4 girl into a lean 5'9 yaoi boy.
No. 2060953
>>2060937Reference to this, I think.
>>2055264Moids and pickmes seething at this comic, kek. They would not think twice if this was about transphobes.
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I came across this meme on Facebook, it was randomly dropped on my algorithm. I love it when gnc women poke fun at the men who claim to be attracted to those traits but ultimately still have a standard of required femininity, namely in the form of coyness, submission, still having a cute face, being ripped but not too much… but what struck me were the comments, so I’m gonna have to samefag. There were a TiM and what appears to be a TiF in the comments trying to make this meme making fun of coomer weeb moids about themselves, and accidentally demonstrating how unaware these people are about, well, anything really.
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>>2060990The male in typical male fashion is too retarded by coom and trying to larp as inoffensive to realise that the meme is not misogyny, it’s not even an NLOG meme. It is a meme making fun of moids and their faux supposed appreciation for women who don’t conform to beauty standards. So he tries to do an own by making the classic lesbian thing trope without understanding what the point of the meme even was. In a way, he’s the target of the meme, he’s a weeb moid who fetishises a cutesified version of the female existence, and he’s too retarded to realise it in typical troon fashion. It’s also hilarious how clockable he is just from username and tryhard cutesy typing alone.
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>>2060990>>2060993And then the TiF displays an entirely different type of retardation. First she doesn’t understand the actual criticism in the meme, her brain so rotted by internalised misogyny that she cannot look past the superficial format, then she tries to call herself a “tomboy”, in typical gendie words don’t mean anything fashion. If you’re agender, how can you be a tomboy? The very definition is “a woman who has masculine behaviour and presentation”. (Nonas here have discussed the nuances of that but that is the broad definition a normie understands). Why do you want to have your cake and eat it too? If you disowned your womanhood by calling yourself agender, according to your own retarded rules you have no claim to a female experience.
Of course, both these retards encroach on commentary about women, rather than men. The moid feels entitled to them and the tif is aware, beneath her fifteen layers of NLOGism, that she’s female and moids will rip her to shreds.
Also note the very feminine tumblrina-coded cutesy username and asterisk roleplay.
Gendies are incapable of acting in ways that aren’t a borderline caricaturesque expression of their birth sex socialised gender.
No. 2061117
>>2061029Nonna think of it of this way, troonism is a religious belief. The claim that a subjective internal gender identity exists is the same as asserting that a soul exists. Are you a terrible person if you don't believe people can be transrace or transage? You're not stupid for falling for this shit, there's propaganda everywhere and most people (especially women) just want to be nice.
If I were you, I would still be careful around the TIM coworker. He is still claiming to be a woman based on fetish or stereotype reasons. The thing with trutrans / truscum is that they are ultimately no more
valid than a normal troon in material reality. You also don't have to become a radfem either, being GC is more like an absence of a belief. You can just be. Look into the troon threads on the other farms, especially the surgery thread. You'll see how troons emotionally and socially manipulate each other and how the cult operates. Good luck to you.
No. 2061131
>>2061029>stated his dislike of other TIM's who push boundaries and force themselves into places they don't belongYeah because he wants sole access to those places himself. You've got to think of them as biological men. Nature dictates that men fight each other for breeding rights. Just because he claims he's a woman and thinks
other men doing this are bad doesn't make him suddenly angelic. Look at them all through the lens of biology, anon, and it'll all make sense.
No. 2061168
>>2061117Thanks Nonna. It's difficult for me because I have a few siblings (all TIF) who are transitioning too. The sister I'm closest with was a TIF before she detransitioned. She's very critical of trans ideology and has been patient with me being more accepting of transsexuals. She's never pushed me into being GC but my own personal experiences have ruined my view of TIM's. It just fucking sucks. I feel like my compassion and open-mindedness has been wasted on these degenerates. I will distance myself from this TIM associate over time. He just had surgery so I'm praying he doesn't suspect that his surgery is the reason for my distance. I can try to think of non-trans excuses to give him down the line if things become worse.
>>2061131I don't strictly see things through the lens of biology. I'm a female who was a tomboy when I was younger so I don't feel right 0giving others judgement for not conforming to their sex. It's a personal thing for me. Androgyny and non conformity are things I want to defend. Not to the degree that people believe they are biologically the opposite sex. But if someone chooses to transition, I'm not the type of person who will push back or tell them they are fighting their biology. Maybe that will change as I expose myself to new ideas and views of transsexuals. I'm an open-minded person so I don't know if this specific point of view resonates with me. I do appreciate hearing it though.
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>>2061168A man claiming he's a woman (or vice versa) because of stereotypes, hobbies and fashion preferences is the opposite of "not conforming to their sex", they are the ones who are against nonconformity. If they wanted to
"not conform to (the expectations attached with) their sex", they would just do that without claiming that makes them the opposite sex. They are just extremely conservative people who think pink+dresses+weakness = woman blue+pants+strength = man, there is no need to accept their regressive ideas.
On that note, I being forced to see a bunch of libfems swoon over this shit manga "At 30, I Realized I Had No Gender: Life Lessons From a 50-Year-Old After Two Decades of Self-Discovery". The libfems are acting like it's a ground breaking and compassionate tale of oppressed people, but I'm getting offended by every other page. The author is a divorced straight TIF who got the titchop after supposedly finding an intersex condition (she seems to have a beard).
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>>2061214It's pretty jarring how the author seems to have some self awareness of the more illogical and offensive parts of trans ideology, but just handwaves these issues and pretends that "I'm more
valid and thoughtful than those transtrenders". NLOG gonna NLOG I guess.
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Well I was scrolling Reddit and read the title of this post and thought "What a weird overshare no one asked for, how….WAIT?!" And of course AGP.
No. 2061354
>>2061168Anon's word choice was not super precise, but i see exactly what she meant. It's not biology in the sense of 'man must like blue and be tough'. She is referring to the fact that men still have a male relationship to sexuality, a 'male sex drive', and sometimes, a deeply ingrained wish to pursue women by any means possible. You can think of it as socialization, but either way, this is deeper than presentation or even traits like being 'soft' or 'gentle' or crying a little. This is why male feminists often are creeps who dress up their slimy obsessions in woke terms. TiMs are uber male feminists in that sense, because they will even abolish the last mental barrier of 'she's a woman and i'm a man'. I think many in this thread have known such TiMs, moids who were almost completely devoid of masculinity and almost seemed non-threatening, but then acted like hungry vultures when it came to access to sex. Think about it. What kind of man would have a vested interest in
not being perceived as one? In being 'one of the girls'? AGP plays a huge part but it's often accompanied by loser man sexual strategies like poly (hoping to
get the woman after a breakup or couple problems), flirting with every single woman in their girl/gendie group but attacking men who do the same, moral grandstanding because they can't compete with attractive/normal/manly men etc. I've seen all of these tactics time and time again
No. 2062153
>>2061029>>2061168>The sister I'm closest with was a TIF before she detransitioned. She's very critical of trans ideology and has been patient with me being more accepting of transsexualsYour sister REALLY loves you to tolerate that nona. To have been lied to and sucked into a (frankly evil) cult that literally promotes chemically castrating and cutting up innocent children, that pushes sexual predatory men into women's spaces and to have your own life permanently ruined and changed by it - and to hear a loved one STILL advocate for it even though you are living breathing proof that it was all a sham is incredibly hurtful to deal with.
Terf and GC are generally the same thing btw, people use the terms interchangeably. The term
terf was created by male troons as an insult so they could specifically attack and discredit women who disagreed with them. There's a reason why "feminist" is in the acronym even though men are the ones who commit the actual violence and have the political power to actually harm troons. Some radical feminists adopted the label (since it literally had their name on it), but most people who use it for themselves or others aren't actually referring to radical feminists and just mean someone who disagrees with troon ideology.
>I don't believe in restricting adult autonomy. I'm free-spirited and would never want to restrict someone else's expression, even if I loathe it.If an anorexic person who was just skin and bones came up to you and asked for a liposuction because they see themelves as fat, would you let them do it? If you do it, there's about 99% chance they die, and if they're lucky enough to survive their bodies will be so damaged from it that they will never fully recover. They truly believe deep in their soul that they are too fat and need it to be gone to be themselves. See what you fail to see currently is that neither troons nor anorexic people are motivated by "expression", but by mental illness. Shrugging your shoulders and letting mentally ill people hurt themselves in the name of autonomy is quite honestly the most unkind thing you could do. Especially when you know those people only came to those views because manipulative predators whispered lies into their ears, telling them it is the only way they'll ever be happy, that physically impossible things will happen if they do it, that if they don't do it they will kill themselves, that there is an entire world of evil murderous people out there who wants them dead and only the predator truly loves and cares for them.
No. 2063141
>>2056307CatBounty was always an insufferable queen bee cunt who barely played the game and thought she was some foreauthority on everything. On TF2chan and on tumblr. It doesn't surprise me she's become an insufferable Aiden. The fact she calls TERFs being the worse thing on KiwiFarms is such cope to the troon hoardes that just infest tumblr so they don't cancel her outright.
It's just so stupid. She's way too old to be sitting around on tumblr bemoaning her troll past and trying to appeal to troons on a dying platform.
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The tweet is objectively correct and the tag is delusional.
If your ex viewed you as an ex he would have called you a twink
No. 2063199
>>2062153Amazing post anon, you're right that this must be extremely frustrating for her TIF sister. She has so much empathy for other people's 'autonomy' when she's seen her sister be medically abused like this, she should understand why there need to be limits to medical abuse.
>>2063198My brain is clearly not big enough to understand wtf she is talking about here. She's a boy with C cups who's offended at being told she doesn't look like a woman?
No. 2063331
>>2062153>Shrugging your shoulders and letting mentally ill people hurt themselves in the name of autonomy is quite honestly the most unkind thing you could do. So well put, nona. I'd also recommend
>>2061029 to look up "sex change" surgeries to see the extent of how bad these surgeries are. These aren't life affirming, routine procedures. They're medieval experiments that too often cause lifelong complications and several follow-up surgeries. The cross-sex hormones and surgeries trap people in the medical industry, making them lifelong consumers addicted to big pharma.
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As much as I hate seeing troon shit everywhere now, on a more positive note, I think peaking has genuinely made me more secure in myself, my sex, and especially my sexuality. I appreciate you nonnas helping me to peak through the mtf thread on /snow/. On one hand, I’ve realized that womanhood is simply a biological reality, which has helped me feel more comfortable in my own skin. But also, seeing ~transbian~ degeneracy has helped me realize there is nothing moidlike in my attraction to women. Attitudes towards homosexuality have changed a lot in the last decade where I live, but when I was younger and just coming to terms with my sexuality, the “predatory lesbian” stereotype was everywhere. I felt so ashamed of being gay, so I was always afraid I would make my female friends uncomfortable by showing normal platonic affection, even though I’ve never sexualized my friends in the way that moids do. I even felt guilt over sleeping with other gay women who were clearly interested because of that internalized shame. However, seeing moids LARP as lesbians really illustrates how different male and female socialization is, how moids don’t give a fuck about women’s boundaries, and how they can’t really fathom lesbian love at all. I’m glad there is something good in this world that moids can’t have kek. Pic unrelated
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You know how to wind up a tranny? Pretend they are air, invisible, a figment of your imagination. It pisses them off more than intentional rudeness.
No. 2063688
>>2063462I felt this way when I peaked too, as well as when I had other revelations about how the mass media/government narrative is fake. It really feels so freeing and like a weight being lifted off your shoulders to actually finally let yourself use accurate language to describe reality and not try to police your own thoughts and force cognitive dissonance on yourself. Even just the act of regularly using 'preferred pronouns' literally shorts out our cognition with additional cognitive load and poisons us slowly by forcing us to lie to ourselves and others. Womanhood being a biological reality is simple, morally neutral, it's just an acceptance of nature that we all know about deep down and when we accept biological reality then we are more able to explore what we want to do with our own lives and thoughts. Trying to mentally fight reality and constantly guilting ourselves about internally failing literally induces a weird form of mental illness and cognitive slowness that feels oppressive. I felt so light and free when this was lifted off me. Glad you feel it too.
I'm also really happy I never fell for the 'predatory lesbian (or bisexual)' trope when I was dating women. In fact this was one small part of what led to me peaking because I could clearly see these males approached their 'lesbian' sexuality with women completely differently than I did.
No. 2064753
>>2063462>However, seeing moids LARP as lesbians really illustrates how different male and female socialization is, how moids don’t give a fuck about women’s boundaries, and how they can’t really fathom lesbian love at all. I really do feel for lesbians. I do. Blogpost but I dabble in a hobby that unfortunately attracts transbians who make everything about how lesbian they are, make lesbian characters, cry about how sapphic they are etc etc and they're clockable from miles away on behaviour alone. They reek of desperation and male coding and they sexualise absolutely every woman aggressively but have zero awareness to realise this is typical male behaviour. Buy because they call themselves lesbiansssss it's totally a-okay to aggressively creep on women??? And totally transphobic to say otherwise. They tend to flounce and leave when they don't get attention which is the only saving grace to this whole thing and most seem to be tired of their bull shit.
I'm glad you've found solace in being a woman and the love you have for other women nonna. I, too, have found some odd body confidence looking at these ugly fashion tone deaf men in their simulacrum of supposed 'femaleness'. I feel an even more profound connection to my children and my choices in life as a woman. They will never be what we are. All life came from women. All of it. Men can only destroy. And now their destructive nature is focused on themselves and destroying female spaces and autonomy to say no to them.
No. 2064828
>>2064754I second this. Especially troons because trooning out is a for of extreme narcissism.
AGPs are in love with themselves as a woman, more often than not that fetish includes "being perceived as a woman". It's why they get so fucking mad when someone calls them "sir" and they scream "it's MA'AM", because you ruined the fetish fantasy by reminding them of reality. It disproves the notion that they just want to exist as themselves - what they really want is for you to validate them. It's why "affirmation" is so big in the trans community.
It's also why they'll go into clothes shops and subreddits looking like Shrek in a wrinkly dress asking "do I look cute in this?" because being perceived is part of the fetish for them, they seek out that validation from others so they get upset when they don't get it. It's like a flasher, can't perform their flashing fetish unless there's someone walking by who they can flash. They need others to be a part of their fetish, so ignoring them ruins it for them.
No. 2065031
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I've noticed that both TIMs and TIFs fetishize uber-misogynistic patriarchal cultures that had open practices of pederasty. TIMs, of course, wish they were these "ancient femboys" as part of their fetish, while TIFs desire a gay romance and to live in a culture where women were shunned in romantic love. Both delusions brought on by porn addiction and misogyny.
No. 2065066
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>>2065031>pedophilia and slavery are now considered immoral crimes>how we have fallen as a species!Could they be any more transparent and any less retarded?
No. 2065133
>>2065092I've just posted in the friend finder thread if you would like to add me.
>>2065104We've worked out going high to low over and over kills alot of voice mods. We've been fairly good so far with only letting actual women in. Further verification like hands are used for those we doubt. Sadly you can only do so much
No. 2066410
>>2065133is
>>>/g/409406 your post? Just want to check to make sure!
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The psy-op continues.
>https://transcrimeuk.com/2024/02/19/scarlet-blake/
>Even worse, Thames Valley Police confirmed they have recorded Blake’s murder as perpetrated by a female (see research by Keep Prisons Single Sex, that Thames Valley is not alone in recording murders committed by males as if they were committed by females). Garside writes in The Daily Telegraph about how this dramatically skews crime statistics. Given the asymmetry in the number of females committing murder compared to males – just one male convicted of murder being recorded as female pushes up the total annual number of female murder convictions by around 5 per cent. No. 2067286
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It feels so good having woman politician stand up to transgender psyop. She was wished "to not exist" and to shut up by David Tennant in his acceptance speech at the British LGBT Awards.
>Badenoch herself hit back on Twitter/X. "I will not shut up," she wrote. "I will not be silenced by men who prioritise applause from Stonewall over the safety of women and girls. A rich, lefty, white male celebrity so blinded by ideology he can't see the optics of attacking the only black woman in government by calling publicly for my existence to end. Tennant is one of Labour's celebrity supporters. This is an early example of what life will be like if they win. Keir Starmer stood by while Rosie Duffield was hounded. He and his supporters will do the same with the country. Do not let the bigots and bullies win."
>Business minister Kevin Hollinrake also condemned Tennant's remarks, and even UK Prime Minster Rishi Sunak weighed in, according to Yahoo News. "Freedom of speech is the most powerful feature of our democracy. If you're calling for women to shut up and wishing they didn't exist, you are the problem."
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>>2067286David Tennant has kinda become what JKR is to troons for my
terf friend group of nerds, we're sitting here like "damn I used to like him, didn't know he was such a hateful stupid misogynistic piece of shit, he is hurting so many people by having the objectively evil political stance"
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I was scrolling through twitter and then I saw this, it's a thread of exposed from a rapist and pedophile, the person who wrote it kept calling this moid in the feminine all the time and even made a speech about how they don't care when rapists are women. This victim who made the exposed even defended the TIM from ''transphobia'' in the replies, I can't understand how they don't see the madness of it all, I've never seen such horrible brainwashing like this
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At this point how many times have trans people claimed terfs invented a word trans made up themselves the second they start to dislike it?
The post doesn't even make sense, if "transfem" was created by terfs, why would you want to keep using it?
No. 2068750
>>2068711Some troon said "If you plap a transwoman enough time she becomes a woman mentally" and I replied with "homosexual moment" and it made the tim seethe lol.
Told me that I will never have sex. I replied that I'm in my third trimester of pregnancy. Gave me a good little chuckle.
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hmmm
No. 2068866
>>2067601>misogyny exemptnot spoken like a true tim
actual tims call themselves misogyny affected or TMA.
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This is similar to the transracial discourse, but I've been lurking a group centered around making fun of plywood Poles - descendants of Polish emigrants who claim they're Polish despite not knowing anything about culture and not speaking the language (this is not a Polish only phenomenon obviously, it applies to basically every European country with big imigrant community in the USA). It's funny that nationality is even more of an arbitrary social concept than gender - citizenship can be meaningless and is sometimes given to celebrities whose great great grandmother was born in Poland, despite them having zero ties to the country besides that, and there's no way to claim someone is a true Pole or not - if they live here for years and speak the language fluently but know nothing about our history, are they Polish yet or not? With gender you at least have a set of specific qualities, even if you think it's a spectrum or whatever. And yet people can notice that you're a larping poser when it comes to claiming their nationality, but women can't call out males identifying as us despite them having zero female experiences. It's all based on ~feelings~ until it's not.
No. 2069348
>>2069339Anon I don’t really think this is the place for this discussion, but as a burger I think Europeans are too
triggered by Americans “claiming” a certain heritage. In the US, we live in a very diverse society so we talk about ethnicity in a way that is completely divorced from nationality. I think it’s different in Europe, where saying you’re polish specifically means your a polish national, not just that it’s your ethnic background
No. 2069923
>>2068750Just had another back and forth when I answered the question of if I would date a mtf and I said no I I date the mentally ill.
Their reply was "That's the same reason no one wants to date you, you realize. Because they don't date mentally sick people. Which you, incidentally, are"
I replied that I'm married.
It's so amusing when they assume anyone without the same beliefs as them are fat balding incel males.
No. 2070377
>>2069923>It's so amusing when they assume anyone without the same beliefs as them are fat balding incel males.I've said it before but troon ideology is destined lose - because they do not know their enemy. They think the people who are against them are old, conservative, trump-loving, "cishet", tradthots, homophobic, gender conforming, that they would come around to troons if they just listened to them.
But in reality "terfs" are more usually gnc people who peaked because they were told they were acting the wrong way for their gender, that the way they exist isn't possible unless they are the opposite sex (or both or neither). Terfs are gay people who peaked because they're told their homosexuality is evil and bigoted, young people who see their misfit classmate go further into insanity and mental illness after they transition, woke leftist people who are afraid to speak up when they see it's gone too far. Most terfs are people who started out as allies or troons themselves who peaked
because they dealt directly with and listened to troons. They think terfs are just evil and hateful - when most terfs really have so much compassion for the groomed kids, hurt women and gay people.
So trans/allied people go into debates thinking they're dealing with an old trump-loving bible thumper - only to be met with young progressive gay people who know everything about the trans community, because half the time they used to think they were trans too before they peaked.
No. 2070415
>>2070377Yeah troons are extremely and weirdly detached from their own detractors, like they have no understanding at all of who it is that is bothered by them. They seem to cope by convincing themselves only bible thumping rightoids or ugly jealous women could possibly dislike them and they struggle to realize that it's a lot of the people they assume are their 'allies' that actually hate them.
This has happened to me a lot as a young woman in a leftist/artist friend group, random TIMs will meet me in social settings and assume I will coddle them and cape for them just because I'm in the same social milieu as them when I and many of the women in my friend groups hate them. They act perturbed, confused and shell shocked when we don't coddle them even if we're not saying anything outwardly rude, like they genuinely assume they are entitled to coddling by any youngish artistic woman or any woman who isn't straight or even any woman who is youngish and attractive. Their internet circlejerks have convinced them that the women who are put off by them are middle aged/elderly 'karens' with right wing political views so they act shocked and horrified when younger, attractive or leftist women don't act super impressed by their woman LARP. They are just unbelievably out of touch with reality. I had some obese 40yo moid at a party who hadn't even bothered to grow his hair out trying to caress my thigh and talking about how he's my 'auntie' (??) who knows more about the female experience because he's older (??) act super confused when I told him to stop touching me and that no he does not have any insights into my experience as a woman. Like please moid back off. He was also (as an upper middle class white male) trying to talk about the minority race/ethnicity experience to people of the ethnicity he was talking about and seemed genuinely taken aback that they said 'no that's not true.' These people are genuinely retarded.
No. 2070419
>>2070415>They act perturbed, confused and shell shocked when we don't coddle them even if we're not saying anything outwardly rudeKek, based.
>like they genuinely assume they are entitled to coddling by any youngish artistic woman or any woman who isn't straightI'm artistic and not straight and honestly irl I'm very meek and get scared of men very easily, so I would appreciate any tips and insights on how to do this. I legit think I will have to pull up with this shit as long as I'm an artist
No. 2070433
>>2070419It's one of those things that gets easier the more you can do it is all I can say, anon. I think as a woman it is always difficult to stand up to creepy men (because they seem dangerous) and it's especially hard to stand up to creepy men who are or seem coddled by your social circle, but usually once you do it other people around you act appreciative and feel more comfortable doing it too. I noticed this with the 40yo troon in question, when I started pushing back against his creepiness all the other people around us at the party also started more obviously putting up with his shit less, like everyone was just waiting for the 'go ahead' bat signal to treat him as a creep. A literal straight moid at this party mouthed 'thank you' across the room at me when I said something to him because I guess he was creeping on the men too. If it is a socially fraught situation I wouldn't start with literal terven rhetoric of 'oh you're a creepy man' but I would do things that lightly imply I see him as a creepy man, or would just say things that amount to 'no please stop' to weird things he's doing, like when this guy told me he's my 'auntie' with 'more life experience' than me I just very innocently was like 'what do you mean? Why would you have more life experience than me?' If a guy is crossing your boundaries in general you should just be able to say 'please stop' or 'that's making me really uncomfortable' for your own good. You don't have to come right out and say 'you're male so this is creepy,' which might socially ostracize you. You can just say 'this is creepy' and everyone will read 'because you're male' between the lines.
If you are able to get away from the moid the easiest way is just to avoid interacting with him, avoid sitting next to him, and avoid talking to him. But if you somehow end up stuck next to him (I unfortunately did because I was flirting with the woman he came to the party with which I now regret) just try to politely make it clear you don't appreciate him getting in your space or giving you advice or talking to you. It's always hardest the first time but as you get used to it, it always eventually becomes easier. The kinds of things I say to gendies to assert myself in social situations without starting a full-blown political fight are for example 'oh I like women, but I don't 'identify' as anything, I am what I am' and when they ask 'wait why don't you identify as queer/whatever' I just say 'well what do you mean? My reality isn't a label and the people who feel the need to label themselves are probably fakers' or if they're talking about gender, 'haha well I can't change the fact I have debilitating pain and bleeding once a month, if I could I would but sadly that's just the body I was born with.' If they say something like 'wouldn't you change that if you could?' I just say 'what's the point in wondering about hypotheticals? I can't change my biology.' As long as you don't explicitly attack them usually they won't feel like they can attack you back, they will just feel awkward. But tbh my main advice is just to try saying something, anything, to stand up for yourself (or if you can't just excuse yourself and leave and make it obvious you don't want to talk to them) and eventually it will get easier.
No. 2070443
>>2070433Thank you nonna from the bottom of my heart. I guess my biggest issue is when creepy men act creepy and then they make me uncomfortable, they always lash out at me if I tell them to stop. I'm talking about online shit not just irl. They suddenly come up with a thousand reasons why I'm evil.
My biggest flaw that I had to let go of recently is trying to get myself at their level, I rode the cool girl thing so bad and only now I realize it. Because I'm a woman with nerdy hobbies, I guess I learnt to have conversations with men and I always tried to downplay the way I felt crept out by them when they talk about coom jokes or porn or sex. No matter how much I disliked them I didn't want to be seen as a prude. Now I know they were trying to lower my walls down and perhaps had ulterior motives. Even if they were just being friendly I just can't put up with this shit anymore. I don't know what to do. I don't want to do coomer jokes around a male ever again in my life just because they initiated it and I was too afraid to ask them to stop.
No. 2070454
>>2070443Online moids will act like demons because no one's really there to stop them and in that case there's not much you can do to stop them except for being really aggressive back or not frequenting the same online spaces as them. I have no problem being very aggressive online/on social media but I also mostly avoid social media spaces because they're usually not worth the trouble, I still use SM to promote my art (music in my case mostly but sometimes visual art too) but I just do the promotion and don't really engage in anything that isn't directly related. Although I've had a fine experience being very aggressive with gross moids online I know it is often counterproductive for a lot of women, so it might be better to completely try to ignore and block them.
Unfortunately when it comes to real life events and gatherings it's a little more difficult in a way, because you have to worry about the reactions of the people around you, but on the other hand it's a little easier because those people are also noticing how the moids are acting. If you gently push back on moids acting creepy at a real life event, a lot of the time the people around you will notice and feel empathetic/protective of you too. In these leftist spaces you often walk a fine line because if you just come out and start saying 'god I hate you disgusting troons' people will turn on you and think you're being a bigot, but if you act 'innocently' confused or creeped out people will react by sympathizing with you and disliking the creepy moid (these creepy moids are obviously creepy to everyone else, too, most of the time even if they don't say it outright).
This is more nonspecific than troon shit but when moids say anything coom-related or sexual to me I literally just say 'ew, why would you tell me that?' or 'gross' or make a disgusted face at them. There is literally nothing wrong with being a 'prude' and most women don't appreciate strange men talking about sex to them, it's better if men understand this. Most women, even if they're trying to act like 'cool girls' too, will instinctively understand why you're uncomfortable and empathize with/rally around you even if they wouldn't react the same way, unless they're total handmaidens. In my experience it usually feels more difficult and lonely before you start standing up for yourself, but once you do stand up for yourself usually people around you (if you're around other women especially) will be grateful that someone said something. Even in all-male groups (except for me) when I've said 'that's disgusting why would you say that' I had other moids saying 'actually she's right that wasn't funny' so sometimes it just takes being the first one to say something. This probably won't work in every single group but in my experience moids do actually care if women around them find their behavior disgusting and many will side with a woman over a troon as well. They are way more likely to go along with disgusting jokes if any woman in the group plays along or pretends to be amused but if you deliberately act like a buzzkill and say 'ew, why would you say that?' they will usually stop because they don't have an explanation. I've noticed this because I am a musician in a music style that is heavily male-skewed. Just asking someone 'why would you say that?' is often all it takes for at least one other person to be like 'yeah I didn't think that was funny either.' You don't usually have to go on a long political rant, all it takes most of the time is to act un-amused or ask 'why did you think that was funny?'
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Just saw someone sewing tit chop scars to her ikea plush…
No. 2070502
>>2069378I was about to make a 'wtf Britbongs' joke but this is a universal problem.. Weak-willed teachers who would never, ever do anything about bullying or the repeat SA of girls in their class suddendly become tyrants when it comes to rubbing their middle-class ideology in the face of pupils. It's entirely a way to signal that they're from a distinct, more educated, more enlightened,
better group. Every country has a set stupid/degraded ideology to with this mindset
No. 2070750
>>2061131Exactly. This describes a guy like Blaire White where he hates on other TIMs (mostly ones who "don't pass") but instead of for breeding rights, he just wants to be one of the only trutrans and his narcissistic ego can't handle that being a troon is much more common now and he can't feel special anymore. But at the end of the day, he's still a man and you have to realize that if you allow him to use women's spaces, you have to let other men into the spaces so
>>2061029 , keep this in mind when you are thinking about which men should be allowed to use our spaces because this is the reality, you cannot pick and choose because that is partially what started this mess.
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Why’re they all women
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>>2071084God, she is the worst. This argument is so dishonest.
>>2071087It's Hannah Gadsby, a gendie and sex traitor. Here's more about the special the clip is from
No. 2071101
>>2071084>horse won sports woman of the yearStill more
valid than a scrote winning. At least the horse was born with a vagina.
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>>2071200It's super disappointing. I loved Nanette, too. But unfortunately in that world, being a badass GNC lesbian isn't enough these days. Sad
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No. 2071486
>>2071084To be honest i always assumed she was a full-on gendie given she's a weepy unfunny navel gazer
>>2070841You just summed up what i always thought. It's not even like they try to make it funny in any way shape or form, they'll just randomly tell you about their porn watching habit. You can just smell their undersocialization oozing through their pores, they can't act normal around women so they have to insert weirdly sexual and/or degrading remarks every two phrases. I take solace in noticing they're always the kissless virgin ugly duckling of the group. Troons are simply a subset of this (now common) type of moid
No. 2071769
I've been thinking of a way to explain transgenderism without bringing up things like AGP or ROGD to people who aren't comfortable with sexual/psychology shit or are turned off by strong criticism due to terminal centrist brain.
You can sum up trans identity as a collective manifestation of shame. Like, i've never met a trans person (transitioning, planning to, desisted, etc) that wasn't obviously carrying a lot of shame. This is immediately apparent when you notice how ubiquitous masochism is in troons (both TiMs and TiFs). Masochism is often borne out of deep feelings of inadequacy, feeling like the weird kid, deformed, worthless etc. This feeling may stem from abuse or banal things like sibling rivalry, emotional neglect by parents, events like bullying or abandonment. Many children struggle with this and often internalize it because it's less threatening than admitting your parents/environment has failed you. Masochism (emotional and sexual) turns this shame into an arousing thing or a persistent mode of functioning. This is why (imo) there are much more TiFs than TiMs, masochism is much more common in women because female socialization is a very fertile ground for chronic, deep-seated shame. You might even say most women walk around with a kind of phantom shame that follows them everywhere. Even if you take masochism out of the equation, shame emanates out of every area of trans identity. Talking about dysphoria is a way to bond over shame while never really naming it meaningfully. Gender ideology is deeply awkward and infuriating because it insists these extremely common things, that are legible to most, are actually unique and deserve special treatment. It rests on denial, displacement, projection, anything to avoid facing the core issue. A lot of AGP/trans talk misses this (outside of narcissistic rage discussions) because it's more pleasing to troons and self-aware fetishists to act as if this shame is really just due to 'transphobia' or paraphilia-related embarrassment, rather than being one of the true, ancient sources of their gender confusion. There's almost always a strong rejection of the shame hypothesis on the part of troons/AGP moids, regardless of what they believe about 'gender identity'. It's also interesting how this common trait shared by men and women is expressed in almost opposite directions (broadly). In TiMs, shame is almost completely expressed via sexual means, there is a demand for total coddling of said sexuality and a compulsion to externalize their shame-based fetishes. In TiFs, shame presents as a complete denial of the self (in AGP denial is only partial, since they are constantly telling you about their humiliation fetish). It's about placing yourself above the shameful thing (other girls, fujos, female sexuality, etc). The reverse examples are very common though, and that's how you end up with creepy TiFs, edgy self-described pooners who like to act 'malebrained' or apologetic 'feminist' TiMs who seemingly try to apologize for being male by acting as non-threatening as possible.
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Seriously?
No. 2072157
>>2072117She’s not really blowing up her life if she’s just using a spicy label, it’s basically socially acceptable now to call yourself nonbinary instead of just addressing the sexism in your life you face as a woman. Did she try to get nullification surgery or something?
Actually, is this even a woman? I don’t know the source of the quote. It would be a funny thing for a man/tim to say
No. 2072486
>>2072029She's the one saying that she stopped feeling like a woman after cutting her hair.
I doubt people were side eying her probably just taking a double take depending on how short her hair is and common it is for her area
No. 2072560
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I want to scream every time someone starts quoting third gender crap from some homophobic regressive society as proof of "trans has always existed". No, what's always existed is attempts to change people who act differently from their prescribed social roles. This "fa'afine" dude's interview makes it super clear, you can literally smell his homophobia through the screen
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No. 2072761
>>2070959yeah, I usually call them coomers and say this is why they have no gf, but regardless they carry on with their antics then cry about no gf on valentines day or any other day really. bonus points if it's a weeaboo scrote whining about not having an asian gf when all they do is fetishize them in a disgusting way every 5 seconds. surely a mystery why asian women aren't jumping into their arms. and they'll also of course double down and call you a jealous harpy if you point this out
>>2071001I'm moving towards doing this more as well since I used to engage with them more on a personal level. it just sucks because I don't really have many other people to talk to.
>>2071486exactly, and they'll turn around and act like
you're the weirdo if you don't like that. kind of like how with the trans topic you'll see them say "cis people" are the bad or weirdos or whatever or see their insane extreme takes such as "women have penises!!!" and if you act like that's insane (like a normal person would if they aren't extremely online and retarded) they'll tell you to "touch grass" and "educate yourself" as if they're not the crazy ones. it's honestly insufferable dealing with these types of people in general be it men or trans people because of how they pretend like their retarded undersocialized habits like saying their laundry list of fetishes in every conversation or shit like "asexuals having sex" makes them normal while actually, you're the outcast for…being actually normal. I take solace in most of them being perma virgins too
No. 2073552
>>2073311I have never seen TIMs genuinely into gay fanfiction (the ones who skinwalk fujos will only write sissy hypno trap pure porn on AO3. Never seen 100k+ slowburn angst). All of the TIMs who skinwalk female hobbies like knitting are absolute dogshit. I've never seen a TIM embroidering a Build-a-Bear or crocheting a surgeon a little doll.
I have never seen TIFs into speedrunning, guns, trains, cars, or vintage computers. Why do they believe "sex = gender = stereotypes" yet have the most stereotypical hobbies?
No. 2074707
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Can anyone decipher?
No. 2074907
>>2074707as someone who isn't american this is hilarious and the elu/delu pronouns instantly peak anyone who isn't retarded irl because of how stupid it sounds to any portuguese or spanish speaker.
>you are mocking a very large sum of latin american genderqueer and trans peoplegood.
>>2074897I wish they'd stop watching it in general. Men shouldn't be watching things aimed at women (especially young women) because they corrupt anything they touch
No. 2074958
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Only one person in this photo isn’t trans, bet you can’t guess who it is…
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No. 2075472
>>2074707Eli/deli sounds exactly like ele/dele so nobody would even notice if she decided to use those particular neopronouns, and if she drums up enough courage to use her speshul pronouns in public, everyone's going to assume she's shit at Spanish and got her pronouns mixed up. Poor girl won't even be able to feel persecuted because the ebil gwingos don't care enough about her retardation to figure out which language she's butchering.
>>2075136He and his girlfriend are peaking everyone in that job. Do trannies know how bad they are at making themselves look normal or good in any capacity? 'Hur hur I punch mustache lady in face' isn't going to make him look cool and sexy. And the TIF's 2000 page blog manifesto on why it's empoweringly masculine to be beaten by a moid who calls himself 'the giant' and 'chaser bait' is inevitably going to peak many of her followers. This is why support for tranny shit plummeted alongside the rise of troons. If these delusional shits had kept their mouths shut and continued to pretend that all they wanted was to piss without being lynched by a mob of Texan bible thumpers, nobody would give a shit.
No. 2075541
Bit of a blogpost but I’ve recently started studying with this nonbinary tif in my class. On the first day of class I thought she was a butch lesbian, I heard someone refer to her as ‘he’ but it was probably an assumption and not her request as her ‘preferred’ pronouns are they/them, according to the class list. At first I wanted to avoid her so I did not have to use her pronouns, but I’ve come to know her and until today I had a bit of a crush on her, as I was under the assumption that she wasn’t on hormones. She definitely doesn’t use hormones, but today she revealed to me she was famous on tiktok in 2020-something after documenting her top surgery ‘journey.’ I looked her up and I saw her post-op, which really made me feel bad. For some reason I can’t just shake it, when I would see other tifs get the chop, my mind would glaze over it, but this case hits too close to home. She’s a really nice woman, albeit a bit self-obsessed and sometimes pompous. I was wondering why she was so flat without any signs of a binder when she wore t-shirt, and today it was my confirmation that she really did get the chop. I should have known, considering she is a they/them after all, but I was in denial that she and was hoping she only wore a binder and would eventually grow out of it the gender phase. Actually knowing that I’ve interacted with a person who willingly removed an organ due to hatred of the female form despite being bisexual is makes me feel strange. She was so nice to me the other day, but it seems my attraction was misguided. It’s the strangest feeling. Also, last week she asked my pronouns twice, and the first time I said she/her because I was in a group conversation. The second time she asked, we were alone and I asked her “why do you ask? Do I give a certain vibe?” She said no but her tone was very coy. I’m not butch by any means but I wear gender neutral clothing and I don’t shave or wear makeup. I’m obviously female, I don’t think I show any signs of wanting to not be female. I was a little disappointed that she thought a barely-gnc woman wanted to be a man, but seeing her mastectomy scars is still messing me up. It’s like witnessing self-harm. It is self-harm.
No. 2076808
File: 1720042798473.mp4 (4.46 MB, 1080x1920, makeup wipe.mp4)
>>>/w/329103addy's brother is so fucking creepy and gross.
No. 2076814
>>2074958why are men so large wtf
>>2075942I've been told I'm not "gay looking" enough to be bisexual by a moid (I assume he meant not looking butch enough) so it goes both ways. It's either like, if you look "too" butch= lesbian, and if you don't, you must not be bisexual (or a lesbian) at all. it reminds me of tranny shit in the sense that it's assigning roles based on what you look like
No. 2077257
>>2077172"Davina Anne Gabriel". I searched for way too long but it was worth it.
https://xxamazons.org/davina-anne-gabriel/Pretty ironic how the picture of him holding up a 'proud transsexual lesbian' is still widely shared.
No. 2077760
>>2077719With my TIF coworker, there was one day where I was hanging out with her and several other, mostly female, coworkers, and someone made a joke or comment to the effect of "men suck" and one of my coworkers apologized to the only (actual) male in the room. It's like, everyone around her knows she isn't a man (including her probably) - she has the same interests as many other women in my workplace (arts and crafts, cats, TV dramas), yet nobody is allowed to address the elephant in the room or call her anything other than he/him without risking her reporting us to HR for bigotry and making her feel unsafe. I know from what she's told me that she grew up in a religious household in a conservative town in the south, so it's clear why she felt uncomfortable growing up as a butch lesbian, but I can't do or say anything honestly to her about it. I just hope that she peaks and detransitions one day.
No. 2078061
Btw
>>2077719, when I said in
>>2077657 that it sounds like she's trying to groom you into her cult, I meant it like, pretend that she's a Christian woman who's been told (and believes) that she can't marry anyone whose soul hasn't been saved by Jesus Christ. She probably likes you (because you are a GNC woman and she is SSA) but she was testing you to see if you were open to sharing her belief system.
As a bi woman who has known many TIFs over the years (one of the first girls I ever kissed trooned out, my former best female friend trooned out) it sucks to see these otherwise smart, creative women who we otherwise have a lot in common with get sucked into this self-harm ideology. But unfortunately we can't control other people's actions, only our own reactions to them. And hopefully we can set good examples for them by being women who aren't ashamed of being women, so the TIFs in our lives can see that trooning out isn't their only option.
No. 2078306
>>2077451>>2077923Hi nonnies, I am that anon from the MTF thread. God, it sucks making friends in Victoria kek. I'm bisexual so I try to make friends in LGBT spaces but it's so frustrating. I feel like every woman I meet has some sort of developmental disability. I went to a speed friending event recently for lgbt people and it was just:
>ADHD woman who seemed kinda retarded>themlets>one greasy autist with a he/him pin (likely because she looked unmistakably female with a full face of makeup) and a plushie she was squishing for stimmies>she/they TiFs that are really annoying>a couple hulking troonsIs it really so hard? I thought living in such a progressive city I'd meet a diverse range of open-minded people, but I continuously run into this. I just want smart, funny women to have wine with damnit! And there's not a chance in hell I'm going to meet a radfem/GC woman in the wild. It's so hopeless.
No. 2078607
>>2078306You're probably going to have better luck finding sane friends in non-LGBT spaces. The sane LGB people don't usually hang out in LGBT spaces. I have a lot of (peaked/GC) bisexual and a few lesbian female friends and I didn't meet even one of them at an 'LGBT' club, space or event. In 202- that is just not where you go to meet mentally stable people since everyone knows by now the events/spaces for 'LGBT' or 'queer' people are basically for troons and bored spicy straights/handmaidens.
Just go do actual hobbies, go to music shows or just even a random bar and you'll have better luck.
No. 2079361
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just saw this ad while scrolling on ig. i don’t even interact with any gc accounts lmao this is awesome to see
No. 2079758
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this dude has no fucking idea.
No. 2079766
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>>2079361That's interesting. Here's a link to the whole article for anyone that wants to read it
https://archive.is/nLxcP No. 2079864
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I forgot where I got this, but apparently this was the list of available gender options in the 2022 USTS survey (
https://ustranssurvey.org/). Imagine expecting accurate data from clowns who identify as "A.G. or aggressive" lmao.
No. 2079997
>>2067286Another episode of anons applauding an unapologetic homophobe just because she "owns le troons".
>>2069220You really think these kinds of people would be okay with "just LGB"? No, they would hate gay people even if trannies weren't loud as hell narcissists ruining it for everyone. Thinking otherwise is a cope.
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What the fuck this 30 yo doing on r teenagers claiming kids should be on puberty blockers because they're not "mentally equipped" to handle puberty. Kids are stupid but it's puberty not fucking war and I don't think medicalizing away a natural process is going to be a positive impact. Just insane
No. 2080072
>>2079758That retard really thinks women are wary of men only because they've been told to be by cops and politicians(?) and not because of their own experiences with men? Moids are so disconnected from women's reality. Also what's with his obsession with the cops/calling the cops on men
>>2080003Posting in a sub for teenagers and telling them they need adults' guidance to navigate and delay puberty? Obvious pedophile. And 139 upvotes.. Bleak.
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>>2074707This is such a girly as hell post
No. 2080466
>>2075541You must look at TIFs not as one-dimensional, but as another person who suffers from something, and unlike others who hide their struggles, TIFs showcase them to the world. Look at them like a person with self harm scars wearing shorts. I don't hate them, of course not, but I wouldn't get too involved with them emotionally. Mentally ill people can be quite interesting, they can like any other person do brilliant things, sometimes even more than your average person. Van Gogh or Michelangelo for example. What would I give to speak with them both! There are other famous figures, (not necessarily mentally ill) like Napoleon, Alexander the great, Mother Teresa, Elvis Presley, all of which I appreciate from a distance but if I were to meet them I'd have a very superficial relationship with them because they are insufferable to be around. No thanks. I have done it in the past, dated a girl with BPD because she seemed like a thrill to be around. I was bored as hell and thought I could handle it. Yes, I could. But it was a messy relationship. A rollercoaster of emotions and experience, but messy. Would I do it again? Not really. Do I regret it? No, because it cured the boredom I had at the time. I never approached these relationships from a "I could fix him/her" angle but if you get emotionally close to that kind of person it's going to go that route whether you like it or not. You might certainly make an impact, but it won't save her completely. It's going to be small. You're gonna feel guilty you didn't do more, especially if you have a savior mentality, and I'm saying that because I also felt it although I didn't think I would get attached to her. So it's going to be even worse for you overall. I can't advice you because I don't relate to that mentality, perhaps what I can say is stop giving a fuck about strangers no matter how nice they seem, you should care about your close friends only and put yourself first. But it's not like you can turn your feelings off so I don't know if this helps. Maybe you should direct that mentality towards charity, or helping homeless people or some other cause. If you're like me though and you wanna get closer to her just for the experience and because you're bored as hell, I have something to say. Do it once so you'll stop being curious about it. If you're still curious or if you're logical enough, go to an actual rollercoaster. Or do something risky, play Russian roulette or go alone in a forest/abandoned building at night or light something on fire or stand in front of a cliff and lean towards the edge or some shit. Done with the relationship advice, carry on.
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This shit is annoying
No. 2080508
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>>2080466Oi, Steve Irwin heah. Todhey we ah goin' t' be lookin at womehn with meantah illness thinkin' they can become blokes. Some of ya moigh' think of them as one-doimaensionul, buh' quite fraehnkly meantahlloy ill people can be quite inteahstin.
No. 2080782
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I got tired counting her labels, sigh. I see similar, shorter versions of this on so many twitter accounts, pre-emptively blocking them helps keep my feed clean
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you could have saved him
No. 2080822
>>2080504this is such shameless rewriting of history, kek. I'm sure that the blue and pink stripes, in the flag representing bisexuality, definitely never meant boys and girls, just like how the bi in bisexuality never meant men and women.
>>2080507trans people were constantly saying that sex and gender were different things and it was transphobic to confuse having a male/female body with having a male/female gender. then some trans people said that they refused to accept that their bodies had ever been male or female, at which point suddenly no trans people in the history of humankind had EVER advocated for the sex/gender split and it was suddenly invented by terfs.
No. 2080863
>>2080832So an even more annoying version of the already annoying "pansexual".
>>2080848Me neither. As annoying as TiFs can be, I at least can muster up some sympathy for a decent chunk of them, and I hope they make it out. Unfortunately, a lot of the ones who have, at least the prolific ones, seem to have traded one asspatting cult for another. But I guess that's what happens when you are an attention whore at your core.
TiMs are just a genuine lost cause and I have no sympathy.
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No. 2081786
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Whenever I see shit like this I can’t help but feel a little sad as overdramatic as I may be. Terfs are always the butt of the jokes, it’d be one thing if they singled out ~twansphobes~ in general but it’s always terfs. Never rapists, pedos, abusers, whatever, always terfs or some other group of women. I hate it here
No. 2081839
>>2081786I feel you. When this happens i simply switch '
terf' with 'woman' and realize it's repackaged vintage online misogyny. It totally feels like we're in 2004 on a giant forum of loser men who are tryhard edgy. It makes everything seem more trivial and less alien, like wow you're exactly like every under-socialized deathfat/stick thin virgin i've ever known but with moobs. Yawn
No. 2081893
>>2081786no
terf would be in rule34
No. 2081919
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Bluey fans: We are not gross like MLP fans.
Also Bluey fans:
No. 2082178
>>2081976yep, already catching on where i live. it fucking sucks cause if you're left-leaning and aren't homophobic you
have to be pro-trans otherwise you're automatically labeled conservative and pushed in with religious fanatics who hate women and want gays dead. fucking retarded that the gender crowd has taken over everything pride and feminism related, when homophobic hate crimes and femicide are a rising issue and both groups are already struggling with maintaining basic human rights. truly can't wait for this movement to die off.
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When did nerds go from despises to idolised on tumblr
No. 2082445
>>2080884because "nonbinary" as a label is meaningless and ultimately comes down to whatever the fuck the person wants it to mean. the general definition of it is not identifying as strictly male or female, whether that means claiming you're partly male/female, both at varying levels, neither, or a mix of all of those. it can't be well defined because of how subjective this means to the individual identifying as it. and seeing how it is physically impossible to pass as genderless, why bother trying to change your appearance to match whatever flavor of nonbinary anyways? I know many theyfabs and theymabs try to look androgynous as a way of proving their nonbinaryness either in the way they dress and act, microdosing hrt, or partially getting some form of masculinization/feminization cosmetic surgeries yet this is optional and not a requirement. So yeah there is no real way to be nonbinary because it's a incohesive concept to begin with. 90% of the people who call themselves that are just kinda quirky men and woman who only want in the trans club without doing anything. another half the time it's just typical tifs and tims using it as a stepping stone to fulling trooning out as mtf or ftm.
additionally I loathe how zoomies are trying to redefine certain sexuality definitions to be inclusive to nonbinary bs. lesbian being changed to nonman loving nonman being the worst continder. there were terms made to be inclusive to them for being a nb into women due to lesbians being a word that focuses strictly on binary woman being excessively attracted to other binary women, and you would think this would invalidate the nbs for "misgendering", but like I said, the label means whatever the theythemer wants it to mean and is not very consistent. there's eveb been discourse that including nbs into that definition doesn't validate all of them because some of them identify as men and nonmen at the same time. this is the type of shit we're dealing with.
No. 2082505
>>2082445ntayrt, but god damn is it so arbitrary. This one handmaiden was trying to argue with me by saying "so are you boiling down their gender to what they wear?" (something like that). If it's not how they present themselves, then what
exactly is it? Some intangible spiritual being? Holy shit.
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Up next on things that never happened..
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No. 2082555
>>2082445There's also almost nothing gays can do to fight off trannies nebulizing their sexuality. I'm lesbian myself and with trannyism dumping itself into modern pop culture it dawns on me how truly hard it is to fight it off. It's so depressing, in 2024 lesbians basically have no place to go. We're told we're crazy for not wanting to date moids, for setting boundaries. I hate how mainstream it all is, I would never had expected this to happen in the 2020's. It's not progressive at all, it feels like a coordinated attack against gays atp.
>>2082272I've always noticed that it's always male nerds who troon out, always the ones with lesbian fetishes too. It sucks as a female nerd who is a lesbian, makes me want to puke, I'd never want to share a space with these people. They all look like Andrew Dobson.
No. 2082691
>>2082515Well it really is a get-out-of-jail free card for guys to dump their once normal but now froggy voiced hairy goblin-gender girlfriends to just say
>"sorry I'm just not gay…" >"but babe I'm non-binary, so not a man and you don't have to be gay to date me! Now kiss my pube-stached lips-""uhhh I'm just not bi then… it's totally not you though, I only like women and as you are a non-woman I'm not attracted to that sorry, you're so
valid for being non-binary though"
No. 2082735
>>2082694It's never going to stay. Any reminder of the cringe gendie era is going to be despised with a vitriol that's currently reserved for lesbians who don't fuck moids in skirts.
>>2082515I believe it, even if this particular TIF didn't get dumped like this I can absolutely see fuckboys doing this. It's a great get out of jail free card for the men who go on grindr to hook up with women LARPing as bois when they get too attached.
Plus it's one thing to pretend to be gay when the moid and his friends see it all as a hilarious joke and a way to get free pussy, but when the TIF starts planning their gay wedding with all her insane tranny friends and introducing herself to his family and work friends as a boyfriend, it stops being funny.
No. 2082841
>>2082694singular they is normal when the persons gender is unknown. it's not normal to use on an obvious man or woman who demands to be called that because getting called he or she makes them uncomfortable. funny enough it was "he" in the olden days that was treated as the neutral pronoun before and in certain countries, the masculine form is either the neutral pronoun or they just don't have any word for it at all.
It's not abnormal to say "somebody left their stuff here" because in that contexts, we don't know if the person we're reffering to is male or female. or even saying a hypothetical situation where it could be either sex you're talking about as it takes up less space than repeatdly saying "he or she". that's the only truly
valid use of it. the concept of having a personal pronouns is as dumb as having a personal adjective or adverb. we don't call people he or she based on their personal preferences.
No. 2082912
>>2082836It's honestly impossible to not sound like an asshole kek, mostly because this "have some basic decency" argument is yet another way to manipulate people.
Like yeah, let's all have some "basic decency"! Just because he raped a child doesn't mean he's not a woman at heart!
But of course that person will be like "but this retard who is my bewwy best fwiend is a sweetie piedie poowie uwu who has never hurt even a fly, deserves some basic decency!!!" Even when that retard isn't in the room, because that idiot will be a watchdog, talking shit about you with the retard, saying that you didn't GASP respected the pwefewed pwonouns of some dumbass who talks shit about you behind your back, because some insipid loser, either irl or on the internet, requires you to always use the words that person wants you to use, you, a literal who, who can just get up and leave a place forever, far away from those two absolutely retarded waste of spaces.
In the end, all you have to do is put your foot down and insist that it's manipulative to say such things and that you don't give a fuck about some loser's fucking pronouns.
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>>2056307"So close to getting it" indeed.
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found on "HER"
No. 2083126
>>2082256I remember seeing a similar tweet where it was some guy saying trans shit is retarded, then another guy whose whole twitter was dedicated to hentai goes "trans rights" and all the qrts/comments were just people saying it's better to be a porn addict than a transphobe lol. No wonder they think that way when trans people ARE usually porn addicts to begin with
>>2082836That they should have the basic decency to respect your boundaries and what you want to say as well and that forcing people to say or do things they don't believe in isn't exactly something a "nice" person does
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Came across this article, concerning subject matter anyway but i read it and throughout it uses “people who menstruate” and “menstruators”, on an article about tampons….. give me the strength not to alog
link to article
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412024004355#t0010 No. 2083176
>>2083160Being a woman is the easy gender where you get constant handouts right. So if the
toxic shock syndrome of the overpriced tampons didn't kill you somehow, now the heavy metals in them might, you bleeding fronthole.
No. 2083202
>>2083186Nta but same, even when you look up stuff about lesbian sexual health, Healthline and similar sites will use "people with vulvas." It's distracting reading something about women's health when you can tell the author is trying desperately hard to find a million different clunky ways to say "woman."
>>2083126>No wonder they think that way when trans people ARE usually porn addicts to begin with.I'm convinced this is why TIMs specifically accuse anyone who hates porn of being an evil reactionary Christofascist who eats babies. This girl on Tumblr posted some super centrist take about porn and TIMs immediately circled a callout post calling her a "transmisogynist" over it.
No. 2083258
>>2082865It's no longer cool to say things like "epic fail" or "doggo" or "adulting" anymore - zoomers find these terms to be cringe millennial-speak (but you used to be able to find them on t-shirts in Hot Topic 15 years ago). Inshaallah eventually terms like "nonbinary" and "pansexual demiromantic" will also be hallmarks of old person uncoolness to the younger generations. It's not as rebellious to get a lip ring when your mom also has one. Similarly it probably won't be as cool and edgy to troon out if your school's guidance counselor and weird autistic history teacher are troons.
However, just like there are still flat earthers and young earth creationists, even though we have scientific evidence to prove the contrary, I don't think that transgenderism will ever truly die out. Cults (and all irrational beliefs, like religion) maintain powerful holds on people because they address our need for community and provide answers to some of life's big important questions ("Who am I?" "What is my purpose in life?" "How do I be a good person?") that science just can't answer. But I think that in mainstream society, and major medical establishments, the transgender fad will eventually go the way of lobotomies or the opioid epidemic.
No. 2083334
>>2082858It's happening, but there are enough trannies being loud on the internet to make it seem like it's not. Remember the HAES movement, and how Tess 'Anorexia' Holliday and her lookalikes were all over magazine covers and catwalks in the 2010s? And now you have some fatter models here and there but it's basically reverted back to skinny models, because the fatties aren't buying enough Victoria's Secret to make it worth their time to keep pandering to the retards?
The same thing is happening with gender. There's a huge outcry from the terminally online over trannies not being pandered to, but whenever they ARE pandered to, they ignore it. The goalposts always shift, because trannies are perpetual
victims. It's a well known fact that the fastest way to peak is to interact with TRAs. Now that they've wormed their way into every facet of society, everyone's exposed to them and their bullshit.
People are peaking en masse. Troons are detransing or desisting but can't talk about their experiences because it's social suicide to leave the cult. Trannies are getting surgery out the ass, literally, and taking hormones of every variety, but the moids still look like moids and the women still look like women. The troons themselves are peaking because they're so disillusioned with the lies they were fed.
In the HAES movement, the biggest influencers are waking up to the fact that their health is fucked because of their fabulous flab, and they're going on diets because being healthy is more important than remaining in the cult. They get an insane amount of hate for this but they continue to lose weight anyway. Troons are the same. Chemical castration and experimental surgery is all fun and games until reality hits them in the face.
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This is what the gendies mean when they say "Rowling is transphobic" and refuse to elaborate. They won't actually show you the quotes, because they want the listener to assume she's calling for troon genocide, and showing how mild the statements are would ruin the narrative.
She's just a feminist and none of these ideas were considered offensive at all when the Potter books were written, it's not like some rotten secret about her was suddenly revealed. If you've stood in the 'center' or the common sense position all along, it's not on you if the society around you decides that common sense is now obsolete.
No. 2083364
>>2083361>If you've stood in the 'center' or the common sense position all along, it's not on you if the society around you decides that common sense is now obsolete.Amen and I think that's what happened to a large majority of the people that other people claim 'shifted' to the right. Like a lot of people will be called alt right now for views that were considered outright leftist 10-20 years ago, and which are just very simple common sense positions. I don't even take it seriously anymore when people try to 'smear' me by calling me right wing, a
TERF, or whatever other weird slander is supposed to make me feel bad about myself because at least I'm not changing my basic opinions and moral values every 10 seconds for social clout.
No. 2083663
>>2083580All
intersex conditions belong to either one sex or the other also, and most can be determined pretty easily these days. It's more of a holdover from an earlier time in history when people had less knowledge of intersex conditions.
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WTF I love trannies now.
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13581639/viewers-horrified-reality-transgender-women.html>A trailer for the series features multiple scenes of the women getting into violent fistfights, pulling each other's wigs off, and trading vile obscenities.>Many of the all-out brawls are so physical that a team of security guards are forced to intervene.>In one unbelievable scene, two trans women tell another cast member, named 'Mangina,' that she's a 'drag queen' and not actually trans. No. 2083760
>>2082969>How do mental health professionals overlook the fact that majority of people who claim to be the other gender are mentally disabled? Partly because they're not. They're mentally UNWELL, such as having trauma, depression, anxiety and so on. There is a myth that all troons are autists or retarded - that's just not true. The highest number I've seen reported was less than 10% of troons have autism - which is still A LOT compared to the general population of at most 1-2%. But that still means 90% of troons aren't mentally disabled.
But why they're ignoring the mental illness: It's a religious cult. They do not question anything, they do not think for themselves. You cannot expect them to use or listen to logic, reason and science - because they've subscribed to a cult that denies the use of logic, reason and science as "sinful".
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>>2083760The overlap is between _high functioning_ autism and troonery. Three digit IQ but drooler level EQ (both pseudoscience terms but I'll appropriate them to make this point)
No. 2083797
>>2083788Yes the stats are taken from "high functioning" people. Interestingly nearly every single detrans person I've seen have been an autist. I think autists are both more likely to become
victims of troonism (because they actually think it's literally true that a man can become a woman and that it will help them to transition), and more likely to peak on troonism as well when they realize it wasn't true and they're still miserable so it was all a lie.
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>>2083760>The highest number I've seen reported was less than 10% of troons have autismHere's some updated statistics from the Tavistock. Very grim.
No. 2084035
>>2083975Troons will swear up and down that their retarded ideology has nothing to do with stereotypes, but will use them as justification to troon out boys liking dolls. It also makes no sense even within troonism because of the insane amount of feminine TIFs and "butch" TIMs
>>2084032Congrats. I've also noticed actual gay men will passively go along with troon stuff but never actually include TIFs into their circles
No. 2084042
>>2084035I’ve noticed that too, and they hardly ever get any pushback for it.
While lesbians are roasted for not including Tims. I had an ex go off on how lesbians are big meanies for not wanting “girl dick” with not a peep about gay moids rejecting tifs on the regular. It agonizes me now that I agreed with him at the time. So fucking stupid and backwards.
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Why isn’t it possible for people to amputate their healthy limps then as they please, since it’s also a matter of bodily autonomy and BIID is a serious mental condition similar to dysphoria?
No. 2084225
>>2083158>CB was a Deltratroon fanMakes sense why she did what she did. I swear everyone into “le super pure zoomer humor games” always goes troon or is some flavor of pedophile. Though to be fair Toby Fox’s personal friend circle is full of
pedotroons, while occasionally virtue signaling that he’s totally against that stuff but never dropping the pedos in question, so I’m not surprised. Liking a male’s “Just Be Kind” slop is always a red flag for degenerate grooming anyway.
No. 2084230
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These girls needs their phones taken away
No. 2084313
>>2083975Kid are kids. They play make believe, dressing up is one form of it. It's not about sensory issues in 99% of cases it's simply "I want to wear the smurf costume and I want to wear it now". Most parents have a story of their kid insisting on wearing something stupid for no reason on some occasion. Especially if it's a fun costume, like a princess dress or ninja turtles costume, because the last time they wore it they got a lot of positive attention, got candy and had fun. They're subconsciously trying to recreate the fun.
I know this is a bit anecdotal but I'd like to hear nonas thoughts on it; as a kid most kids around me were fairly "gender neutral" when it came to playing and toys. There were always only a few of both sexes who were girly girls who loved pink and dolls and there were boys obsessed with trucks or a sport. Among kids and adults those kids were kinda considered outliers, and a little bit "odd" even. The girly girl was seen as a bit more vain and vapid, and the boy as an anti-social almost autist or sports freak. It's so weird to me that those outliers are now treated as the only "correct" way for a boy or girl to exist but I don't really know how to put words to it.
No. 2084326
>>2083958Tavistock was specifically a kids trans clinic, and most of those kids are female so in my humble opinion that's the group with the most troon autists. Though 35% is still way less than a "majority" of trans people like some anon claimed. 97.5% having some kind of mental illness sounds wrong tho - it's 100% because no mentally sane person wants to transition to begin with!
Maybe I'm wrong, but I really don't think the average AGP (which is the average male troon) is an autist but simply ANY pornsick narc male. All males are easy
victims for a fetish cult because it appeals to their coomer brains. Thinking it's basically just the autists makes you think "normal" men are more safe or less likely to troon out, but there's no evidence to support that's the case. Personally I've never met an autist troon who actually makes an effort to even go AGP, they've all been 100% male he/him (at most he/they) enbies. The only exception was gay and more of a hsts. I feel like the worst AGP troons actually aren't clueless autists but actually know full well what social norms they are breaking on purpose.
No. 2084358
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I've been using a word replacer add-on when I get tired of having to shift my brain around to read about gender, it's crazy how much of a difference it can make. Picrel is some of the funniest bits from a Julia Serano article.
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this shit irritates me so bad
No. 2085121
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Picrel is a TiM talking about HRT. I can’t really put my finger on what grates me about it but the way they talk about “femaleness” is always so weird to me. Lmao at the last bit, makes it so obvious it’s a fetish.
No. 2085130
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Japan does something good for once (when it comes to women/children protection I mean)
No. 2085255
>>2084052The problem is when women do try to gatekeep they get called evil and sent rape threats. Men don't care about our boundaries so gay men have it way easier in that sense since TIFs aren't as entitled and agressive as the average TIM
>>2084193Nta but not everyone has female friends. I wish I knew more women but unfortunately I end up mostly knowing males due to my hobbies. A peaked male is still better than one who's a TRA
>>2085121>>2085125This reminds me of this one retarded TIM who goes on and on about how the estrogen made him a weak little girl (he only started taking it like a couple months ago) and claims he's getting massive boobs because of it. It's just cringeworthy to witness. The worst is when he claims he passes now when he really doesn't and says he went into women's bathrooms. Also, the whole thing about wanting to fuck men now or whatever is retarded when it's not like every woman is straight lol
No. 2085538
>>2084193Ideally I would rather talk about this with a woman since my gay moid still has some absolute shit takes about gender but it’s such a relief to talk to anyone in real life about it. It’s helpful for me to find ways of discussing it so eventually I can peak other women. I view it as practice and a mental relief that there is prob a large portion of the LGB community who are not fooled by this shit.
He will let me know if he runs into other women who believe similar too. Which is nice since if he does cross hairs with an ultra TRA, he has the privilege to get out of it unscathed while I would risk a lot more. Shit is insane and I’ll take any help I can get.
No. 2085594
>>2083797That and many hf autistic people are always on the lookout for an explanation and “fix” for their problems. An autism diagnosis may explain some things but it’s still unsatisfactory because there’s no cure. So when they start believing that their problems are caused by living as the wrong gender, that presents a possible solution in the form of transitioning. They believe that once they fully live and pass as the opposite sex they’ll finally be normal and happy. But of course clothes, hormones, surgeries etc. don’t cure autism either and they’re even worse off than they started so they eventually come to the conclusion that they’re not “really” trans.
I don’t know if there’s any data on whether autistic people are more vulnerable to self-help style cults, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
No. 2085732
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>>2085140>>2085384I'm using Word Replacer II for chrome, but there's ones for Firefox if you use that instead (FoxReplace seems popular). If you add a word, you have to make sure it's selected/checked, then press apply. I had to re-enter a bunch of them because I pressed apply without selecting, then closed the page.
Picrel is most of the terms I used. Sometimes I have to disable certain words if an author is more tarded than usual, and some news articles have started calling TiMs "transgender males", too.
No. 2086293
>>2086259Yeah honestly 'Male radical feminist' is code for 'closeted troon' or 'closeted rapist' most of the time.
>>2083975>How come in every case with these trans kids the child is so fixated on clothes from toddler age? They're not.
It's probably a minority of actually anxious kids. Women who troon out their kids do not see children as different from themselves. These kids are a limb, a nice doll to agitate for attention at best. These mothers project whatever they want onto the child.
This is just a tinfoil of mine but i could swear many 'moms of trans kids' have pedo-adjacent or straight up pedophilic reasons to do this. This goes hand in hand with their inability to think of a child as a true other, a whole being (keep in mind you have to be very unwell to even entertain this idea).
I remember coming across a recap (by a gendie) of drama in a FB group for moms of 'trans kids'. There were accusations of abuse thrown around due to the extremely high frequency of inapprorpiate rants about children's genitals and infant sexuality. It's old milk so i can't find it today but it did make a lot of sense. That tavistock stat about the unusually high rate of sexual offending parents corroborates this
No. 2086742
>>2085594I'm autistic myself. Basically, people are vulnerable to those things because they crave acceptance. Autistic people commonly experience rejection.
I wish I knew how gender factored into it. I like some aspects of gender roles. I've been bullied for not being girly enough. In the same vein, I like that I can be seen as feminine if I have long hair and wear a dress.
Lots of autistics have sensory issues with other stereotypically girly things (makeup, tight clothes).
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I’m so tired of this shit. I just want to buy and support things from regular women. NOT some super speshul man in a dress with a fetish or a woman who hates herself so much that she think she can opt out of discrimination.
No. 2087245
>>2086742>>2085594I feel like we had the same childhood
>>2087237Still delusional, they crave validation and the thrill of GC and radfems being nice to them feels more satisfying than obedient libfems doing the mandatory pronoun circles. Also most people aren’t intentionally cruel and still want to look nice and even-minded
No. 2087269
>>2087237Sorry anon but these TIMs are still just as delusional even if they acknowledge that they're male but still prefer to be called "transwomen". The fact of the matter here is that if these men really did accept themselves for who they are, they wouldn't be calling themselves "transwoman". You're absolutely right that them calling themselves "transowmen" is insinuating, it's inferring that they are still a kind of women without directly saying they are women and that is just not gonna fly here. Women are adult human females, not men who are insecure and hate themselves (or have a fetish) because they don't live up to the arbitrary standards that men hold each other to. That is their own mess that they have to solve for themselves and pretending to be something you're not is not the solution to this.
And you still gotta ask, are these men still trying to gain access to women's restrooms? Remember that if you let one man in, you have to let all of them in. And frankly most of these "not like other trans" get off on the validation that they get from conservatives and especially GCs who see them as "one of the good ones". It's very self-serving.
No. 2087271
>>2086856Always found it funny how gendies are always lumped with women, like the whole Women+ Connect thing. Never "men and enbies" or whatever.
Plus, shouldn't gender queerios be
offended at that? I thought being gender diverse meant you were
out of the binary of man and woman? But I've not seen a backlash to it… hmm, I wonder why that is?
No. 2087276
>>2083975Most small kids I know (including toddlers and preschoolers) do care about what clothes they wear. They want to wear things they think are pretty or cool. My own daughter insisted on picking out her own clothes from the time she was 2, though at the time her tastes were quite varied. After she started preschool she started gravitating towards stereotypically girly stuff like pink/glitter/unicorns/rainbows and now she pretty much refuses to wear anything that doesn’t have at least one of those elements. Likewise, there are boys in her class who are never
not wearing something with dinosaurs or sharks or Spider-Man on it. Many parents do try to get their kids to wear other types of clothing but kids are stubborn and a t-shirt honestly just isn’t worth an early morning tantrum.
The real issue imo is when parents restrict what their kids are allowed to like based on their sex. Girls shouldn’t be pressured to wear dresses if they don’t want to and boys shouldn’t be forbidden from wearing pink. I know a father who’s distressed because his son, who has two older sisters, keeps asking for pretty glittery rainbow clothes like his sisters have and doesn’t understand why he can’t wear them too. I don’t expect that the parents are going to trans the kid (not least because the father is happy to finally have a boy) but it’s still frustrating to hear about. Just let the kid like rainbows ffs
No. 2087406
>>2087237Those men are still knowingly invading women's language, spaces and safety. They still feel entitled to take what belongs to women, that we have to submit our own thoughts, language, spaces, safety for their sake because they as men are more important than us as real females. That means they aren't safe for women. They already feel entitled to take what is ours without caring that us real women don't want to share it with them as men.
For example, calling them any variation of "woman" (including "transwoman") is harming women's safety and integrity as it more often that not makes people think the individual is a real woman. An old lady thinking "of course having a transwoman doctor is ok, I just don't want a man doctor" only for it to actually be a man in a skirt examining her in a vulnerable moment of her life. Saying there are only women in a space when a transwoman is there is lying, and so on. And it's saying that women can't even have a word just for us, that we still have to include men in the word. That's pure misogyny to begin with.
They're men who struggle mentally with being men - that is NOT on women to solve. That's their personal issues. If their friends and family want to play along (I don't think it's healthy for them though) they can do so but literally no one should ever have to even call them "transwoman", they're just men like any other man. They're normal men with an identity disorder, having a disorder does NOT make you into a "third class" of people. Imagine if we started saying anorexics aren't real men or women because they struggle with their own body image disorder - it's equally insane.
No. 2087473
>>2087237From my understanding, cultures that have third genders are usually patriarchies with strict gender roles. You wanna keep a system like that going just cuz some bozo says he’s a man to seem reasonable but keeps on with the larp that is designed specifically to subjugate women?
Also there’s nothing stopping this moid from expressing himself however he damn well please. So why must he insist with this weird forced inclusions into a biological category of human who has suffered (the countless baby girl deaths during the one child policy in China, foot binding, FGM, child brides, etc, etc) at the hands of males for thousands of years? Why don’t we support the retards who are transracial? They have about the same reasoning as these people of gender. Kek
No. 2087568
>>2087237>preferred to be called transwoman rather than womanReminds me of some youtube video where a troon said 50 years ago, troons backed then
fawwt for the title "transwomen".
No. 2087641
>>2087590>Does anyone have personal stories of trans people being emotionally manipulative towards you?This gonna be a bit bloggy so sorry but you did ask: The only trans person I've been close to was an autist enby guy. I'm also an autist hence why we ended up being friends and I didn't immediately see the red flags. He didn't do anything at all to transition or pass so I didn't know he considered himself trans until years into knowing him. He once absentmindedly half-admitted "I can be manipulative…" and then quickly moved on but I had already taken note of it then.
This guy was a loser neet so he was lonely and desperate. When we hung out he'd often randomly say shit like "I wish someone would hug me… I just need a hug…" etc even after I had told him I don't like hugs (I don't mind hugs but I'm also an autist and plenty of autists don't like being touched, I lied about it because I didn't want to touch him specifically and I knew he'd believe me). I pretended not to get the hint even tho he clearly expected me to go "aww I'll hug you, you poor baby". He'd also often "act upset" in visible ways that I'm sure would have made people pity/attention him in the past but I always ignored it. Fast forward and now he would constantly bother me for what he called "platonic" touching. He'd talk about how loneliness is worse for your health than smoking or other scientific shit about how bad it was. He suggested that we hug and cuddle in "totally platonic" ways. It made me super uncomfortable, especially because he'd ask again after I had turned him down before. I was a doormat with few friends so I struggled with turning him down, he made me feel like a super shitty person for not indulging him like I was the reason he was suicidal and lonely. I only ever accepted a few hugs of of guilt and he'd squeeze me way too hard and tight so he could feel my chest and it always made me feel so icky. He held the hug for way too long of course.
Because we were still friends I ended up asking him if he had any other friends to "platonically hug/cuddle" with. He answered that he didn't because "all my other female friends have partners…" and it finally clicked in my naive autist brain that it really wasn't platonic to him if he couldn't even hug a male friend or someone with a partner. Then I remembered that one time he said "I can be manipulative" and I felt so violated.
No. 2087672
>>2087641Nonna I'm so sorry you had to go through all that, it sounds very gross. I'm starting feel like these lonely autistic types have very similar patterns of behavior because what you described fits eerily well to my situation. They manipulate their female friends especially, or at least try to, to give them what they want, what they would never get otherwise from anyone else. I'm quite horrified and shocked how similar your friend sounds to mine. The autism, him being a lonely loser neet, the desire platonic touching..
>He suggested that we hug and cuddle in "totally platonic" ways This is literally what he wanted from me too. He also got very upset if I didn't hug him but hugged someone else in his vicinity. He's also asked me to date him multiple times, always getting a no for an answer of course. Trust me when I say I can emphatize. In the future I'm going to avoid autistic men, they get extremely clingy if you accidentally let them too close.
No. 2087791
>>2087672ayrt, this guy once mentioned other friends not talking to him anymore and that he didn't know why they didn't seem to want to be friends anymore. At that point I felt bad for him. Then later he briefly let it slip that he used to cuddle with other female friends in the past in a similar way (naturally made me feel even ickier and used), and I put two and two together that those must have been the lost friends… I doubt it was the same guy, but still eerie that they do it to several girls and just find a new
victim when the first one leaves.
No. 2087992
>>2073552blogshit
I'm a desister and I'm into 4 out of those 5 hobbies. Part of what made me desist/peaked me is seeing how moids in those communities treat ACTUAL women compared to troons. Real women are treated as stupid and just doing it for attention, while TIMs are COINICIDENTALLY given the same, if not more respect as cismoids are.
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No comment.
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Sad
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(AI art outside of containment)
No. 2090278
>>2087641When a scrote does this, be briskly oblivious to the manipulation. Completely refusing to take the bait normally works. But that means refusing to take ANY bait.
Don't do any emotional labor beyond what a guy would do- basically, leave it at 'That sucks, man' and move on. Nothing shuts up a moid faster than his meticulously crafted layers of researched manipulation falling flat. Don't go out of your way to do anything more for him either- if you're going out to get snacks don't ask if he wants any, if you're driving somewhere don't ask if he wants a lift, if he wants help don't give him more than the basic surface level help that he'd get from Google.
Be cheerful and normal around him so he doesn't have any cracks to stick his unwashed claws into. If you decide to give him a weakness to chip away at, make sure it's one that you don't actually care about.
When he inevitably brings up gender woowoo, grey rock him hard. Agree with what he says about himself but never more than that. When he presses you for more input to fuel his fetish, shrug and be like 'I can't pretend to know what it's like for you, but I'm happy that you found yourself. You should express your identity however you feel comfortable.' When he keeps pressing you for your opinions on the lingerie monstrosity he found on Shein and if it's appropriate for work, shrug and stick to the 'If you feel comfortable in it, go for it!' line. But don't sound too enthusiastic or weirded out, you want to get as close to true neutral as possible. It takes all the fun out of their game when you don't give them the reactions they want.
Or you could encourage him to cut off his dick. If you make it seem like he can manipulate you and you're weak to his manly tranny charms, or if you come across as a deeply invested ally, it won't be hard to persuade him to get the chop.
No. 2090553
>>2090278>Completely refusing to take the bait normally works. But that means refusing to take ANY bait. Ayrt, thanks for the advice nona. I found that the times I was ignoring him and refusing the bait is what worked the best for me so I think you're right. It was hard though, especially because at one point he was genuinely just a normal friend to me, before I found out he saw himself as trans the whole time.
>Be cheerful and normal around him so he doesn't have any cracks to stick his unwashed claws into. If you decide to give him a weakness to chip away atAgain sorry if this comes off as too bloggy, but this puts a lot into perspective for me. We were both struggling mentally when we met but I got better over time. So I'd be doing perfectly fine and I thought he knew that, but every time ANY minor inconvenience happened he'd immediately assume the worst for me. It would be things like me saying "Oh I actually woke up pretty early today!" and he'd start saying things like "I'm so sorry, must be so hard! Is there anything I can do to help you?" etc and it always confused me and made me uncomfortable because nothing I said warranted that kind of reaction.
Yet he'd do it time and time again. I didn't realize until now that he was probably trying really hard to find some weakness he could chip away at.
>It takes all the fun out of their game when you don't give them the reactions they want. I definitely think you're right about this too. He tried to act "cute" a few times and I completely ignored it because it was just so fucking odd and uncomfortable. He seemed disappointed that I didn't react the way a Good Female Handmaiden Ally should react.
>Or you could encourage him to cut off his dick.Thankfully I stopped being friends with this troon so it's too late for me to do that now, but any brave nonas in the same situation I was in have my blessing to try it
No. 2090964
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The obsession of just making up lies about rowling is so funny to me. People have no reading comprehension, she isn't literally saying that the book is a romance novel, but that it's written like one and that's what makes the story interesting. Like jesus are these people retarded or something?
No. 2090979
>>2090964The queen lives rent free in their heads. Trans people are honestly so fucking stupid, JKR has been my go-to topic to peak people and it works every time because pretty much everyone has enjoyed Harry Potter in some capacity so they already want a reason to like her. Once you tell them it's ok, and show them what she's actually said they go "Wait that's it? I had no idea, I thought she was super evil, I'm so relieved".
Their unreasonable hate for someone who said "I support trans people, I just think the female sex's rights are important too" is making them look as bad as they are, they just don't see it because they're blinded by hate and refuse to use logic for even a second.
No. 2092584
>>2091418>looking ugly in general when being a woman in the reality we live in, is a way of protecting ourselvesThat's the delusion us women tell ourselves, but it's not true at all. Violent moids will be gross and violent either way. They literally do not care, in fact if you're an ugly woman they can't sleep with your life means nothing to them, you're not even a person, so they often have even LESS respect for you as a person. Your only value to them was being attractive, now you are nothing. And if the moid is particularly bad he might assume the weird looking woman is a dyke who needs to be "corrected". She instead becomes an easy target.
That's why telling tifs they'll be safe from moids harassing them if they troon out is so cruel, it's telling them if they only looked different they would have been safe. That it's their fault for looking like a woman. But they get nothing. All they got was a destroyed body, for nothing.
No. 2092759
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A loose acquaintance shared this on their time line and it’s so bloody uncomfortable, why do their propaganda always have to be so fucking sexualised?
No. 2094300
>>2091443They’re right though, and more people should know. T
is the uglifying hormone and estrogen and progesterone are objectively beautifying.
No. 2094319
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fucking ugh
No. 2094344
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whether hsts or agp, an obsession with being a woman with a penis remains
No. 2094392
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I just got result '60%' on quiz 'What %
TERF are you?'. What will you get?
https://uquiz.com/quiz/r0ZuWh via @uquiz
what are these questions? they really see terfs as a cartoon villain do they
No. 2094404
>>2094392I got 80% kek, just because I think
terf isn't a slur.. and All people deserve rights, even mentally ill trannies.
No. 2094407
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>>2094392Aimed for it on purpose but kek
No. 2094409
>>2094392I assume a
terf made it as bait..? questions are like
>"do you think trans women are women?">choose no>quiz: "correct!" No. 2094411
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>>2094300Or maybe having the normal levels of hormones is fine and having too much or too little causes some pretty serious disfunction in your body
No. 2094422
>>2094409no, it's explained in the last question
>>2094404itayrt i got 60% because i think:
1. trannies deserve rights because people in general deserve rights. the question never specified which rights exactly kek. voting rights? healthcare rights? sure! the right to pump their bodies with hormones and disfigure it through "lifesaving" surgery?? uh.. i mean, if that's what you want
2. trannies can discuss womens' issues because everyone is free to discuss whatever they want
3.
terf isn't a slur no matter how hard TRAs try to make it one
and it's so funny how the test implies
terf isn't a slur and calling someone a
terf isn't hate speech while explicitly saying "fuck terfs" several times. you openly hate terfs and intentionally use the word as an insult. just admit it and move on
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i hate leslie feinberg, she's literally like the tif monolith. Not to mention she's one of the TRAS who protested mitchfest. I have no idea why she's worshiped so much and her word is treated like the bible. I'd assume it's because her beliefs subscribe to what TRAs believe. I hate when some tif goes "read the stone butch blues" yeah like every lesbian who existed at that time agreed with her.
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>>2094392I kek'd out loud
>Do you believe trans people deserve rights>no>CORRECT! No. 2094582
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Only reason I didn't get 100 is because I said that TERF isn't a slur. I wear it as a badge of honor.
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>>2094392got an 80% because im a proud
terf and it's not a slur no matter how hard they push to make it one so they can shame us
No. 2094640
>>2094392i might make a copy of this quiz but with actual
terf values because it pains me that tras spread this boogeyman image of terfs around to young audiences. what questions should i include?
No. 2094656
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is it even possible for narc hsts to ever be happy… genuinely truly happy? i read that narcissists cannot be ever be truly happy or satisfied or confident in themselves, it makes me feel better after being abused for years as the handmaiden best friend of one. he was a gay man very into big burley hairy men, now in a "lesbian" relationship with another tranny despite never being attracted to women or feminine men before…. his skinwalking larp of me makes me genuinely disturbed and nauseous… it's been almost a year since i cut contact and i'm still processing it
No. 2094679
>>2094640questions on gender roles and gender nonconformity, to debunk the idea that its radfems being intolerant of deviations from the norm and not TRAs. for instance, post a picture of a masculine woman with "this person could be suspected to be a man (trans or not)", and same with a feminine man ("this person could be suspected to be a woman (trans or not)". then, right after those two questions, post "masculinity/femininity do not determine whether you are a man or a woman" to make TRAs reflect on what they probably answered in the previous question kek. id also add in questions tackling the "trad" reputation (anti-abortion, right-wing evangelical nutjob, all women must be mothers type shit); they think theyll get easy points off
terf% for that one but little do they know itll in fact boost their score. definitely link the quiz here if you make it nonna, i'll be rooting for you!
No. 2094715
>>2094656>is it even possible for narc hsts to ever be happy… genuinely truly happy?I don’t think it’s possible for
anyone to be truly happy, for we are flawed mortals living in an imperfect world
No. 2094716
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One of the funniest consequences of having been in the gender cult is having a PhD in tranny clocking. These fuckers are so bad at larping as the opposite sex that anyone with personal experience can clock them on typing style alone and it's like a twisted internet game. I love clocking them even when their usernames and descriptions aren't blatant about it. Your retardation can't hide from my trained eye shaped by the trenches of the gender wars.
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>>2094392kills me how it's so obvious the maker of the quiz is a tif because scrotes just don't waste their time on uquiz they just send rape threats and act like sex pests
No. 2095056
>>2094422>itayrt i got 60% because i think:>1.trannies deserve rights because people in general deserve rights.But you know what they actually mean is NOT "trans people deserve EQUAL rights" they're saying "trans people deserve special rights that no one else gets, no matter who else it hurts". You can't ever take them at face value, their entire life is based on a lie after all
>3.terf isn't a slur no matter how hard TRAs try to make it oneThey invented it as a slur and use it as a slur though. Just because radfems adopted it out of spite doesn't mean the intent from troons aren't still to be rude so I think it's
valid to say it is a slur when coming from them.
No. 2095060
>>2094640>i might make a copy of this quiz but with actual terf valuesI nearly made one once kek but my idea was to use actual trans values but as a slider with their own opposing views so they'd be forced to choose. For example a slider that has the two sides saying
>Playing with pink toys is a sign a amab kid is really a trans girl>What toys a kid plays with has nothing to do with their genderBecause it drives me mad that they've been stating literal opposites since day 1 and NONE of them even question it
No. 2095064
>>2095057I'd go as far as saying trans people "don't exist" as an identifiable group to begin with so they don't deserve to have rights written about them for the same reason we don't specify rights for people who say their favorite color is orange. It's bizarre.
People kept asking "what is a woman" but not "what is a trans person" even though one is easily definable and the other isn't. There's no definition that includes every trans person while excluding what they call "cis" people. Thus trans doesn't exist in the real world. Women are just adult human females, some of whom are born with DSDs yet none of them are male. It's so simple.
No. 2095074
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I wonder how the results of a similar survey would look today (from a research paper about gender equity in children's media)
No. 2095097
>>2091443>strangely encouraging me to go on TBarf. I've seen this too, scrawny 'feminist' TiMs introducing women around them to TiF literature (Stone Butch Blues) and subtly encouraging them to question their gender. Interestingly, they always went for attractive but visibly insecure women that they were into. It never went as a far as taking T but these women would start talking about dysphoria and 'gender envy', toying with the idea of being a guy after befriending/flirting with these TiMs. I also believe it's part of their AGP fantasy of having a masculine partner to contrast with their "feminine" persona
>>2094716>can clock them on typing style alone KEK same and it still freaks me out when it happens. One glance at one post is often enough to tell.
>>2094576I'm sympathetic to her, but the more i read her the more i realize she was an incredibly self-obsessed person, first and foremost. It's not even like queer theory provides much relief to these women, you can tell gendies despise masculinity in women because they need to believe that femininity is inherently good to make the point that pervert TiMs are good and 'oppressed'. A masculine woman is of no use to these people
No. 2095198
>>2095064Exactly. Trans identification should not be considered a protected characteristic because it’s not an actual state of being. It’s not real and it’s undefinable. Some trans identified people are discriminated against on the basis of characteristics
related to their trans identification (e.g. same sex attraction, autism) but that’s not discrimination against trans people. Even the nazis tolerated transvestites as long as they weren’t part of another persecuted group as well. Believing yourself to be trans by itself doesn’t make someone oppressed any more than believing yourself to be otherkin or an indigo child or full of thetans. People might think you’re a bit of a nutter but having people like and agree with you isn’t a human right.
No. 2095925
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Why are troons so hilarious
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>>2095925Would be based if it was just this one panel
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>>2095925Are we all going to pretend like “tell your boyfriend i’m not afraid of meat because i’m a vegetarian “ is transphobic now
No. 2096108
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>>2096107Samefag, the fact the lyrics say "look at my body" but you add in the illustrations vs. reality
Yeah, I'll look at your body alright kek
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The sign of a mentally well adjusted person